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Methinks that, for the good of the country, it is time that the “Alt-Right,” those bitterly hostile to our Latin-America population, stop and think. There is a difference between opposing further immigration, a good idea, and constantly attacking American citizens.

Many good reasons existed for preventing massive immigration from the south. But it happened. Some forty-five million legal Hispanics (whatever exactly the word means) are now in America, mostly citizens. They show no signs of leaving. They cannot be deported. Their children become citizens. It is unlikely that many of the (very vaguely) estimated twelve million illegals will be deported or chased out.

Given this reality, the question becomes, or should become, what to do to, for, with, or about these people? The future of the country very much depends on the answer.

A beginning would be not to turn them into another dysfunctional, hostile racial minority–which is exactly what the Alt-Right seems bent on doing. Blacks, thirteen percent of the population, appear irremediably angry, with obvious untoward consequences. If the Alt-Right can make another seventeen percent into internal enemies, it will be the end of anything recognizable as America.

Yet from the organs of the Alt-Right–VDare, Breitbart News, and so on–comes a drumbeat to the effect that Latin-Americans are stupid, filthy, lazy, criminal, and parasitic. Mr. Trump, hostile to Mexico and Mexicans, has called them “rapists,” which resonates in Latin America much as Hillary’s “deplorables” speech did in Middle America. We have hysterical books painting them as the end of civilization and human decency. (Ann Coulter’s ¡Adios, America! The Left’s Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole comes to mind.)

Yet from the Alt-Right comes no suggestion of practical policy toward the permanent Latin population. Hatred is not a policy.

What to do?

The choices available to the country, other than doing nothing, are to encourage, or to discourage, assimilation. For the good of the United States, assimilation seems much the better choice. Diversity is almost always a disaster, but, if you already have it, and it is not going to leave, the best hope is to assimilate it, to encourage the diverse to move into the middle class and stop being very diverse.

Can Latin Americans be assimilated? Maybe, maybe not. Walking around Los Angeles, San Antonio, Houston, or in Chicago, where relations seem entirely amicable, suggests “yes.” The “not” arises largely from the possibility that the combined influence of the Alt-Right and black racial animosity will drive young Latin men into the current anti-white insanity.

My own experience suggests that assimilation can be accomplished. In these matters I may have more experience than most of the Alt-Right. I have lived in Mexico for sixteen years. My wife is Mexican, we speak Spanish in the home, and we have toured the country from one end to the other. I have traveled extensively in all the countries of South America except Paraguay and Venezuela. Nowhere (with the exception perhaps of parts of Central America) have I seen the hellholes imagined–I might almost say “fervently desired”–by the Alt-Right. Lima, Buenos Aires, Santiago, Bogotá, Montevideo and many others are modern cities, with airlines, telecommunications, skyscrapers, and so on. Hellholes? I wonder whether Miss. Coulter has been in Latin America.

On the site of American Renaissance, which takes a very dim view of Latin-Americans, I have seen links to a pair of studies by the Pew Research Center. The first, from 2013, found that 89% of American-born Latins are proficient in English. astonishing as sunrise. The second found that succeeding generations are losing their identification as Hispanics, also hardly a surprise, and also that intermarriage is high. Is this not assimilation?

America’s various minorities are not identical. The Latins are Christian, speak a European language, do not drive airplanes into buildings or shoot up homosexual nightclubs, do not have Brown Lives Matter or the Knockout Game, do not mutilate their daughters or discourage them from going to university, do not engage in honor killings.

Consider a not-very-hypothetical Rosa born of illegal parents in Los Angeles, age nineteen, speaking unaccented California English, and pecking at her cell phone. She will not be seen as very Mexican by young Anglo men. Language is a powerful marker of difference. Rosa is also likely to be pretty, which will not hinder assimilation.

The second available policy toward Latins is to discourage assimilation. This won’t work for long (see Rosa, above). Such discouraging is the obvious if unacknowledged desire of the Alt-Right. The Anti-Latinos tend to frame their hostility in terms of objective traits real or imagined–Latins don’t learn English, do commit crimes, live on welfare, take American jobs. Yet one requires little reading to see that their real objection is racial.

In today’s climate of compulsory right-thought, wanting to maintain one’s race and culture is bad, very bad. Actually of course it is an age-old instinct and practiced by Japanese, Chinese, Jews, white nationalists, Latin Americans, and pretty much everybody else. It does not well survive assimilation.

The problem vis-a-vis the Alt-Right’s desire for racial purity is that Latins, who are not going to go away, cannot change their race. This means that no matter what they do, how many languages they learn, how many degrees they earn, or taxes they pay, the Alt-Right will loathe them. I wonder: Should this loathing be permitted to shape the future of the country?

Assimilation and racial purity being incompatible and diametrically opposed, we must choose. You can have one, or the other, but not both. To discourage assimilation, one needs to maximize bad relations between Latin and Anglo. This seems exactly what the Alt-Right is determined to do.

ORDER IT NOW

Racial hostility explains the profound ignorance of most of the Alt-Right of South America. Read their websites, their comments. They seem to have no curiosity as to where the immigrants come from, what manner of wights they be, or what they can do or have done. This is not the place for a disquisition on Latin American culture. Still, anyone of intellectual breadth must be aware of the rich and extensive body of music, literature, poetry, and cinema of southern lands. All of this can easily be found on the internet. One may wonder why the Alt-Right has not bothered. Ask who Carlos Monsivais was, or Octavio Paz. You will get get a blank stare.

More culpable are the leaders of the Alt-Right, highly intelligent and educated people, most of them talking heads of the DC-Manhattan bubble. They are not of limited mind and could afford to learn what they are talking about. They do not. They are misrepresenting peoples they have never met, civilizations they have never seen. They regard this a patriotism.

Finally, though perhaps in offense to literary continuity, it is interesting to look at the logic, if that is quite the word, of much of the Alt-Right’s cultivation of hostility. They say that “Mexicans take American jobs.” How? Does Pedro put a pistol to an American worker’s head and say, “Geeve me zee shoffel or I blow your brines out”? Or do American businessmen, to make more money, hire countless Pedros, knowing perfectly well that they are illegal? Do Mexicans attach wheels to American factories by dark of night and roll them to Tampico? Or do American corporations, to make more money, build factories in Mexico? Who is taking American jobs?

The Latins are in America to stay. Love it or hate it, it is over, a done deal. How do we make the best of i–which may not be very bad?

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Federico Reedriguez’s American citizenship should be confiscated from him.

    The choices available to the country, other than doing nothing, are to encourage, or to discourage, assimilation.

    This is false. A number of other options exist such as:

    • Deportation
    • Enslavement
    • Sterilization
    • Execution

    Federico Reedriguez presents assimilation and absimilation as the only choices available because he is desperately in love with Mexicans for some baffling reason.

    I happen to support some combination of deportation, sterilization, and assimilation–depending on the hispanics in question.

    But I’m not going to pretend there aren’t other options.

  2. > Latins, who are not going to go away

    Yes, huge numbers of them will. Shut off all the free goodies and make it clear the culture is hostile to them and they will leave. This has been done multiple times in US history to different ethnic groups. It is entirely precedented.

    > it is over, a done deal

    No, it’s not. Large populations have been moved out of America before and it will be done again. It’s a done deal, Fred. Sorry that in your bubble you can’t come to terms with this impending reality.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Biff
    , @Wally
  3. Sunbeam says:

    Why do you keep peddling this? No one is buying. No heart or mind is being won.

    I think you ought to write a column about why you keep on writing this sort of thing. Who is your audience exactly?

    What kind of anything are you a proponent of exactly? As nearly as I can tell you don’t like immigration, except from South of the border, and you can’t get enough of that.

    But at the same time you couldn’t drive a razor blade between you and any alt righter on black dynsfunction.

    So you aren’t really going to get a “progressive” readership.

    But see, you can be so iconoclastic that no one gets you. And I think you are there.

    Christ, I don’t even think you could get Mexicans in America to go along with your program.

    • Replies: @boogerbently
    , @SMK
    , @Wally
  4. tim s says:

    It’s largely about illegal/uncontrolled immigration and questions of assimilation. Assimilation works fine as long as the economy is good. When it goes south, so to speak, that’s when people align along blood lines, or more particularly linguistic lines. So reasons for concern do exist, Fred. Don’t discount that. If we had controlled immigration, you’d very likely not be seeing the statements you claim nearly as much.

    I’m with Fred, that Hispanics overall have more good qualities than bad, and fit our civilization pretty well, as long as their introduction is a healthy one and they want to become Americans, not reconquistadors. Easy solutions if not for libs & cucks – cut off the welfare. Mostly these are people who will work and do a decent if not good job.

    I’m in a large Hispanic/mestizo/whatever population and overall at this point, it’s so far, so good. As long as they take care of their shit and help our collective society progress, I don’t have a problem with it. However, if they prove to be easy prey for propaganda/vultures due to cultural deficiencies like another well known American subgroup, and contribute to our decline instead, then that’s another issue. Time will tell.

    • Replies: @Veritatis
    , @Toby Keith
  5. Flavius says:

    Fred is very much correct in his appraisal of where we are with respect to immigation. There are not going to be any mass trans-border removals of immigrants from the country. Setting aside the practical difficulties that the inept bureaucracies could in no way surmount, it would be morally intolerable.
    Our political and corporate elites have been gaming our immigration laws since at least the 1980′s to suit their own special interests. The bed has been made and now we have to sleep in it. It is by no means without some favorable consequences: in NJ I have seen neighborhoods that were in fact hell holes being reclaimed by family oriented Latin and South American immigrants, undoubtedly many here illegally.
    What can and should be done going forward is a) enforce the existing immigration laws rigorously b) end the chain migration schemes (family back there wants to come here – tough shit) c) eliminate the category of hispanic from the affirmative action con d) keep the so called helping bureaucracies as far from the immigrants as is humanly possible.
    There are probably some other measures that can be taken; but these alone if scrupulously followed will have these immigrants living just like everybody else when it comes to the important things inside of a single generation, or less. Fail to follow them, they will still be here but they’ll be ruined and living on just another government reservation that Sam has established for them somewhere.

    • Replies: @VICB3
    , @Oldeguy
    , @MBlanc46
    , @Pat
  6. Veritatis says:

    Assimilation is possible from a position of strength, which is what the alt-right (whatever that is) doesn’t have. It is a generous policy, workable in small quantities. But the ‘alt-right whites’ are by definition on the defensive. They are not in power (Trump was their chance), they do not control the instruments for assimilation (schools & media) and they are not having children.

    The people without children cannot hold a territory. And if white males fall for the identity card, they are without a glimmer of hope, for then white women will be feminists and vote Oprah. The race wars within the U.S. is the first war the elites are pushing but, contrary to the Middle East ones, this is within the white males’ power to stop. 

    White males should be American first. 

    • Replies: @aandrews
  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    This is exactly true, especially in regards to removal. Indeed, many of the undesired racial element already congregate in large areas which can be clearly found in any major city. The intelligent white male who has conquered the world before and in this desperate hour can be worthy of his ancestors should take it upon himself to begin the extermination of these near-humans and trail blaze to others of the appropriate method to clean house from external pests.

    Only a few percent are needed. The rest of whites will follow.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  8. tim s says:

    Another thing to remember, Fred, is that those espousing extreme/untenable remedies may not actually be alt-rightists, but someone trying to impersonate one to discredit what is now the alt-right movement. Could be that half of the WN’s are agent provocateurs. Don’t fight straw men.

    • Replies: @Wally
  9. The best way to assimilate Latins is to catch them young, force feed them processed foods high in sugar and fat, and teach them that the flag is more important than family and that Latin is a dead language.

    • LOL: utu
    • Replies: @3g4me
  10. Roman says:

    Dear “double down” Fred,

    Do yo really think that if the opposite were true, ie an imaginary world in which poor and uneducated American and Canadian rednecks were the ones crossing into Mexico at a cool rate of 200k to 300k a year – down from 2 million in the year 2000 – there wouldn’t be Mexican Alt-right?

    Could you imagine a scenario in which, in this imaginary world again, there was some kind of animosity towards the 20 million WASPs living in Mexico – 17% of 123 million – from real Mexicans if the majority of them were poor and uneducated – as poor or more than poor Mexicans – and were understandably competing with the Mexican working class for low qualified jobs, welfare, free education, healthcare and cheap housing?

    Could you imagine a situation in which working class Mexicans would be crying “they steal our jobs!” “They live on welfare!” “they commit crimes!”

    Why, they are fucking poor!

    Would you believe me when I claim that poor and uneducated people are overrepresented among the prison population for crimes such as drug related ones – buying, selling, using, robbings, shootings, executions – robbery and rape?

    Would you believe me when I claim that poor and uneducated people are overrepresented among welfare recipients?

    Would you believe me if I tell ya that poor and uneducated people are overrepresented among people competing for low paying jobs that require no qualification and barely any intellectual skills or none whtsoever?

    Get real huevón!

    • Replies: @Wally
  11. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @bobbybobbob

    “This has been done multiple times in US history to different ethnic groups. It is entirely precedented.”

    Would you please provide some specific examples?

    • Replies: @eah
    , @Hell_Is_Like_Newark
  12. Veritatis says:
    @tim s

    I think you are brave to say such things here. 

    @ if they prove to be easy prey for propaganda/vultures due to cultural deficit..

    For the assimilation policy to be workable, you’d need a clear vision of the values you are promoting, an effective educational system and patience. So you get reliable, hard working Latinos who learn to neatly mow their lawns and bake Apple pie. Old-fashioned good citizens. It’s quite doable, as the Catalan reverse example shows.

    But what leaders are going to model the conduct? 
    Perhaps Latinos are assimilating, but to degraded elites. Human nature: we ape our betters. In the US, elites play identity cards, are money mad, self centered, have little self-control, dress sloppily, etc. 

    Let’s hope the worldwide crisis of values does not degrade good Latino citizens, in any part of the world.

    • Replies: @tim s
  13. AaronB says:

    A sane and balanced piece, Fred.

    I particularly like Octavio Paz and Borges. Paz wrote a wonderful book on India, and the incomparable Borges is the wisest and best post war writer. The Anglo world might acquire some much needed depth through such writers. Currently, we have the likes of Roth.

    Mexico City is pretty fantastic, too.

    Hispanics have proven themselves capable of assimilating into Western culture and living harmoniously with whites.

    I was in El Paso Tx a while back and I was stunned by how good looking, fashionable, and friendly the middle class Mexicans there were.

    Immigration may have been a mistake, but the stupid hate of the alternative right doesn’t help anything.

    The alternative right is the latest iteration of the Western disease of materialism. It’s not forging a new path, it’s a new version of the ideologies that got us into trouble.

    The frustrations that fuel the alternative right are real and should be taken seriously, but they must become the basis for a breakthrough into a new course that takes us beyond materialism and the deficient ideologies that have shaped our modern crisis.

  14. @Thorfinnsson

    I for one am surprised that you took the dick out of your mouth to post this shit

  15. MEH 0910 says:

    Who is taking American jobs?

    Mexicans. Scab Mexicans.

  16. Assimilation means out-marriage.

    I had some liberal Canadian friends visit once, and they were shocked that all the “Hispanics” were short, thick-waisted Asiatics. They thought all Central Americans looked like half-Lebanese/Iberian Salma Hayek or Iberian Javier Badem.

    • Replies: @Alden
  17. Truth says:

    Ron, tell the truth, Fred is dead and you are just re-arranging his old articles.

    • LOL: Carroll Price
  18. @AaronB

    You think we’re getting this:

    We’re not. We’re getting this:

    • Replies: @KenH
  19. KenH says:

    It seems like Fred has dedicated the majority of his writing to being a champion and propagandist for Mexicans living in America legally and illegally. Notice how Fred never argues that it’s good for America because he knows that it isn’t, only that “they aren’t going anywhere bucko” so whites better just shut the hell up and accept them.

    Maybe Fred can explain how California went from being a breadbasket and economic powerhouse with a white supermajority to an economic basket case with a plurality of Latinos.

    Latinos are 2.5 times more likely to be in prison but when adjusted for percentage (17% vs. 60%) this increases to about 7.5 times higher than white rates of incarceration.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/raceinc.html

    Latinos have the highest poverty rates in America

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2011/11/08/hispanic-poverty-rate-highest-in-new-supplemental-census-measure/

    Latinos earning a diploma dropped from 78% in 1980 to 61% by 2015 according to Pew, but now I can’t find the link, but will post when I find it again. More Latinos seem to be earning two year and four year college degrees but that rate hasn’t kept pace with their population increase since 1980.

    Pew Research is a bit strange in that some of their claims and data seems to be in conflict with one another. I’ve found claims that celebrate the decrease in the Hispanic high school drop out rate, but something’s amiss when they are earning fewer diplomas now than in 1980. It appears the Hispanic/Latino HS dropout rate has dropped since 2000, but it’s still higher than both blacks and whites.

    Latino welfare dependency rates are about three times higher than that of whites and this isn’t hard to find online.

    As of 2011 46% of all gang members were Latino/Hispanic or 2.7 times higher than their percentage of the population. https://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/Survey-Analysis/Demographics

    Fred puts the onus on mestizo-white race relations on whites but he shouldn’t expect us to accept them unconditionally when they boo the U.S. soccer team playing Mexico in Los Angeles, staged massive immigration protests in 2005-6 where they burnt the U.S. flag and tore it down in places around the nation while hoisting the American flag and consistently vote anti-white Democrat at almost 70% in every presidential election?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2008444/Only-America-U-S-soccer-team-booed-Mexico–California.html

    So the weight of the evidence proves that the presence of 45-50 million Latinos has not made America better, that they aren’t assimilating because they can’t or they don’t want to and they tend to just recreate Mexico wherever their population reaches critical mass.

    Whites aren’t going anywhere either Freddy, so something has to give. Oh, and about 95% of Mexican women in the U.S. don’t look anything like the photos you post, so you’re fooling anyone.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @Joseph Doaks
  20. KenH says:
    @KenH

    flag and tore it down in places around the nation while hoisting the American flag and

    Should read “while hoisting the Mexican flag”.

  21. KenH says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Those ladies don’t look like the boner material that Fred routinely posts in his “Mexicans totally rock” articles.

  22. MEH 0910 says:

  23. @KenH

    An elderly friend of mine, herself a zero-generation Middle Eastern immigrant, was recently astonished to have a blonde, blue-eyed Colombian nurse during a hospital stay. She had no idea that there are Central and South Americans of pure European descent.

    The not-so-secret-secret Fred continually evades is that his adopted country and everything south is highly racially stratified. Here’s the current President of Peru:

    If he never spoke, he wouldn’t get a second glance at the Des Moines Rotary Club.

  24. Unlike blacks, Latinos, feminists, and perverts the Alt Right has no representation in Washington. You are barking up the wrong tree.

    I don’t know much about the Alt Right. I am allied with them because there is no Alt Left. But you speak of the Alt Right and White Nationalists as if they are one and the same. I don’t think so.

    It’s not easy to hate immigration and love immigrants. This requires the ability to think and feel at the same time. An ability often lacking in all populations.

    If I were King there would be a moratorium on ALL immigration and naturalization for people already here. The Alt Right will oppose this but so what. They have no say in the matter. It’s the cheep labor lobby that wants open borders and naturalization would mean that immigrants are no more exploitable than citizens.

    If the Alt-Right can make another seventeen percent into internal enemies, it will be the end of anything recognizable as America.

    Rich WASPs and Jews (not the Alt Right) own and operate Imperial Washington. You must know they have an agenda to dispossess the white race. Blacks are not “internal enemies” of the government. They are its mostly unwitting allies. It is The Powers That Be who keep the border open and the very last thing they want is for whites and Latinos to “assimilate”.

    Mr. Trump, hostile to Mexico and Mexicans…….

    You should take that up with Trump. He does not represent the Alt. Right. Sixty three million Americans voted for Trump. How many ever heard of the Alt. Right.

    No disrespect Fred. I always read your stuff. I just gotta say = White Nationalists are the least of my worries.

    • Replies: @polskijoe
  25. One giant, lying straw man.

    Fred replaced “illegal immigrants” with “U.S. Citizens”. Then he asks what to do about U.S. Citizens.

    Nothing, Fred. You are a liar and con man. It isn’t about racial purity, but about property rights and individual liberty. The marxist-feminists need illegals for their agenda.

    You’re a Cuck to a Latina for Christ’s sake Fred. It doesn’t even work on white women. She’s already lost respect for you and is looking for her Macho.

    I’m proudly Alt-right and married to a SE Asian you dipshit, Fred. White women, post-feminism, disgust me.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
    , @Truth
    , @Biff
  26. Da Wei says:

    Fred Reed,

    As a boy in the 50s I picked fruit in California alongside other white people, but mostly Mexican “nationals.” I tried to outwork the Mexicans, but learned that their siesta after lunch was the way to avoid “burnout” if you do that work a lot.

    Much later, I worked in a friend’s Italian restaurant, where the cook and kitchen help were a Mexican fellow and his brother, neither documented. They were dependable and kept the place going for $5 an hour, which was about all the owners could afford. The place wasn’t a gold mine, but it hung in there and had its charm.

    Fast forward again: Some months ago, visiting my home town in California, I saw a residential remodel underway, with a husky, youngish white man moving equipment onto his pick up. Glad to see somebody making money, I stopped to talk with him. He told me he had this job going and another, larger one. “I’m doing it by myself,” he said. I asked why and he said, “I can’t get good help. All the Mexicans are leaving, even ones with papers. They don’t want the hassle.” Surely, I said, there are good hard working people to hire here. “The ones I’ve found here don’t want to work, not like the Mexicans work,” was his answer. Mexicans aren’t taking jobs others want. Who wants to pick lettuce, anyway? If a Mexican gets the job, it’s because he outperforms others.

    Fred Reed, I’m about your age and what I’ve seen is that Mexicans come here to work. They are loyal and sincere, for the most part. I’ve had my run-ins with Mexican men, but I’d do a handshake deal with a Mexican man before I would just about anyone else. They have machismo. I trust that.

    If people don’t like Mexicans on welfare, change the welfare laws. I think welfare generally degrades people, anyway, past short-term emergency use.

    I think the most vocal among the anti-Mexican crowd are probably the least informed.
    Build the wall to keep them in. By the way, thanks for the picture.

  27. Da Wei says:
    @Backwoods Bob

    Backwoods Bob,
    Please, calm down. Hysterical ad hominem attacks solve nothing. Fred has simply expressed his opinion. This isn’t professional wrestling.

    If you are “Alt-right” (whatever that is) I’m assuming you are a white man. If that is correct, please act the part.

    At least you have good taste in women. I say “you” in the plural sense, meaning both you, Backwoods Bob, and Fred Reed.

    We’re Americans, Backwoods Bob, and we don’t need another Civil War.

  28. I actually concur with the writer. The culture and language of Latinos is not that alien, far less so that the Islamic types coming into Europe, and since the US is eventually all immigrants anyway, I don’t see it being as serious a problem as some think.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Toby Keith
  29. athEIst says:

    Lima, Buenos Aires, Santiago, Bogotá, Montevideo and many others are modern cities, with airlines, telecommunications, skyscrapers, and so on.

    So on includes a ring of favellas, a sure sign that the modern city is a third-world city.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Biff
  30. Given the number of Hispanics in the U.S. and the rapidly declining European-origin white portion of the population, assimilation is no longer possible. The question now is one of how the Hispanics (plus the Jews, Asians, Negroes and Arabs) are going to transform the United States.

    • Replies: @TheJester
    , @Toby Keith
  31. Tundra says:

    No matter how worthy Latinos may be or how advanced their culture is, when they come to America they end up voting 75-80% for Democrats, i.e., the givers of welfare goodies. They shift politics much for the worse, not that the Republicans are anything to crow about. They also naturally bring their own culture and ways with them, and I feel no particular urge to see my own culture diminished by folks who feel they have a right to simply come into America and settle down.

    Reed would also do well to read Coulter’s book “Adios America,” which has withstood criticism rather well and makes some powerful objections. He does make one good point: what do we do now, now that in our stupidity and complacency we have let millions of those who don’t want to assimilate (the third generation Mexican immigrant offspring are more insular than the first) into the country?

  32. It is difficult, impossible really, for me to get past the first few paragraphs of this nonsense, when Fred claims that the alt.right hates Mexicans and that all those websites he listed are non-stop hatefests against hispanics.

    I read many of those websites all of the time and the arguments against illegal immigrants never are hateful. They speak in reality, the facts.

    Perhaps Fred is talking about the comments to those articles which can be racist and anti-Semitic at times. But that’s not what Fred said.

    The opening paragraphs posit Fred’s thesis: Hating Mexicans like the alt.right does hate them just because they are Mexicans will not work as a solution to anything….then he goes on with the rest of his thesis.

    But the alt.right doesn’t hate Mexicans because they are Mexicans. In fact, the alt.right doesn’t hate at all. Fred, like many, seems to think that speaking against a policy or a person or anything giving resons for their opinion or thought is hate.

    I was recently accused of hating Israel becuase I spoke against the policies of that country. No. I actaully don’t give a shit about Israel one way or the other. But I don’t approve of their policies.

    The alt.right doesn’t hate Mexicans or blacks or any other group. They have valid reasoned objections to some things that involve Mexicans and blacks though.

    Therefore, Fred’s thesis is rotten at its start at its foundation. Leaving the rest of his essay in shambles. Bullshit, Fred, again, bullshit, like so many of your other articles.

  33. dearieme says:

    “Some forty-five million legal Hispanics … are now in America, mostly citizens. They show no signs of leaving. They cannot be deported. Their children become citizens.” I take it that that is correct. In which case the next question is what if anything should be done to preserve social peace. I suggest that many of those people should start voting Republican as an exercise in making clear that they do not share the Democrats’ desire to undermine the Republic.

    “It is unlikely that many of the (very vaguely) estimated twelve million illegals will be deported or chased out …”: chasing them out is probably far beyond the competence of the federal government, and certainly contrary to the desires of those who staff that government. Or so I’d think. Put otherwise, you’d need thorough reform first if you want to expel these people. Maybe you can stop their number growing, but there’s no sign of that wall yet, is there?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  34. TheJester says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Agree. We’ve spent a lot of time in Los Angeles and its suburbs … in fact, living there for four years. We’ve also spent time further north in the San Jose area.

    Our assessment: It’s too late for assimilation in California. Los Angles has reached a critical mass with respect to Hispanic immigration. It should be understood by all concerned that southern California belongs to the Mexicans, just as the high-tech centers further north belong to the Asians.

    Whites are going to continue to flee the megacities on the east and left coasts for a national redoubt of some sort in what is condescendingly known as the “great flyover”.

    Rather than assimilation, the more likely outcome of massive immigration will be the United States breaking up into three or more countries on the model of the implosion of the Soviet Union. At least with that implosion, the Russians got Russia back … although they could have saved themselves the continual problems with diversity and assimilation in republics such as Chechnia, Dagestan, and Ingushetia by cutting them loose, too.

    Hence, the outcome of massive immigration will not likely be a balanced diversity throughout the country. The ethnic and cultural tensions will reach a point that coalitions of states will form to protect their citizens from the economic and cultural rot emanating from the coastal megacities. At some point, these coalitions of states will start to act like independent republics.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @prusmc
  35. BeB says:

    Fred is right. Latin immigration has already happened, and is a “done deal”. That’s just the way it is.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
  36. nsa says:

    The “alt right” is entirely fabricated by the jooie MSM and now even Senor Freddie has discovered it to be a convenient target. So where does this “alt right” entity exist? That’s easy…..everywhere and nowhere i.e. on the “worldwide web”. Senor Freddie cites VDare and Breitbart. VDare is run by a transplanted Brit. Breitbart is jooie neocon. So much for Senor Freddie’s conception of a dastardly racist “alt-right” preventing the blossoming in Aztlan del Norte of a wonderful new multi-culti society wherein all the various servile ethnic groups and races cooperate in servicing their jooie masters.

    • Replies: @Wally
  37. pyrrhus says:

    Another bunch of straw dogs…Trump didn’t say latinos were rapists, he said some of the ones coming over the border were rapists, and they are. The alt-right doesn’t hate latinos at all, but it does want rule of law at any cost, which latinos aren’t big on…Get a grip, Fred.

  38. pyrrhus says:
    @BeB

    If they don’t assimilate, they have to go back…That’s just the way it is…

  39. tim s says:
    @Veritatis

    America hasn’t had leaders at the top in a long time, at least as far as soil of the earth American citizens go. There will be no leadership models to follow, but as they say, all politics is local. Our “leaders” are essentially followers, riding the tide wherever it goes and benefitting as much as they can in whatever way they are able.

    As far as assimilation, I live in Houston and work with alot of assimilated Hispanics. Most have some if not a large percentage of European blood and there aren’t any significant problems between them and the whites that cause any work disruptions. Granted, they are more assimilated than some you might find going to the DMV, which can be a bit of a shock, but what else is new. Again, it comes down to immigration policy and welfare. The people themselves aren’t bad overall. Not saying that I’ll take them over my beloved ancestors and kin – believe me, I grieve for what we’ve lost in this country when it was majority white, but then we wouldn’t be in such a predicament if we hadn’t had it too good, allowing us to become foolish, childish, and lazy in our views, so I grieve with a grain of salt.

    I also went through some semblance of a disaster, Hurricane Harvey, and was not only so glad that there wasn’t the societal BS going down like what happened during Katrina in NO. Not only did that not happen, but people in the communities were working well together to get through it. I had plenty of Hispanic acquaintances helping me with my flooded house, known only through my wife with school, soccer, and boy scouts. I’m somewhat antisocial, so didn’t hardly know any of them before that, and here they are helping me out.

    The Hispanics I know are very close to the German heritage values that I cherish. A good number of the ones I know have semi-germanic names. That they lag behind us in rocket science I’ll forgive. I also doubt that they’ll be loyal bluedogs in the long run. Culturally, most are against the coalition of fringes that the democrats have lined up against us. Most Hispanic men won’t embrace homos, feminism, AA, as allies. They in their habits for the most part want what Americans used to be. If they go the other way, then they’ve been captured like many of the white americans have been over the past few decades.

    Remember, we’ve been screwed from the top, and any screwing coming from those below us is all tied to the top again. Go after the neocons, they are the mortal enemies of our culture. All others are flying monkeys thrown at us.

    • Replies: @Biff
  40. Isn’t this a copy & paste of something he wrote earlier? I swear I can remember the phrase ““Geeve me zee shoffel or I blow your brines out.”

    Well there it is. Sept. 7, 2017. “Daca Dies, Sort Of”

    The exact same sentence.

  41. We have to plug the hole, now. That means building the wall, deporting all criminal aliens, denying illegals and their children any government goodies, and ending birthright citizenship. Mass deportations, as much as some folks would like them, aren’t going to happen. Like any attempt to confiscate citizens’ firearms, such an effort would spark a civil war in which millions would die.
    I agree that we need our borders. But like I would tell modern-day blacks who whine about any reminders of historical slavery, I’d say the same thing to the more strident members of the Alt-right: Get over it!

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  42. Corvinus says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    “I happen to support some combination of deportation, sterilization, and assimilation–depending on the hispanics in question.”

    Fortunately, the options you offer are unrealistic and unholy to most Americans. Now, if you are so adamant about these choices, then why don’t you openly go out to the public and advocate for their implementation? Supporting it is one thing. Actively promoting is an entirely different manner. Are you up for the challenge?

  43. Corvinus says:
    @Anonymous

    “Only a few percent are needed. The rest of whites will follow.”

    And you are merely a armchair warrior here. We know you lack the stones to actually carry out your plan. It just makes you feel good about yourself to present your sentiments on a blog, but deep down you know you do not have what it takes to actually do it.

  44. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “Assimilation means out-marriage.”

    You are being way too simplistic here. The meaning of out-marriage arises when studying, for example, Mexicans. Does out-marriage include a marriage to a person of non-Mexican but Hispanic origin? There is something else that is ambiguous. When first or second generation people with only Mexican roots marries someone who is only part-Mexican, is that in-marriage or out-marriage?

    The point is that America has a long-standing history of people marrying outside their ethnic group. Increasingly in the 20th century, we bore witness to men and women marrying outside of their race. That social “taboo” is crumbling. Good riddance, I say.

    “I had some liberal Canadian friends visit once, and they were shocked that all the “Hispanics” were short, thick-waisted Asiatics.”

    You do realize that your own ancestors who came here to America were also labeled in a similar fashion by nativists. But I thought content of character, rather than appearance, was of primary importance to Orthodox Christians like yourself. Did you not learn that “If you want to find rest here below, and hereafter, in all circumstances say ‘Who am I?’ and do not judge anyone” from this past Sunday’s service?

    “They thought all Central Americans looked like half-Lebanese/Iberian Salma Hayek or Iberian Javier Badem.”

    Unless your “friends” are able to confirm their utmost surprise, methinks you are simply trying to hoodwink the viewing audience.

  45. @dearieme

    ” I suggest that many of those people should start voting Republican as an exercise in making clear that they do not share the Democrats’ desire to undermine the Republic.”

    Oh, sure. That will fix things for good, won’t it? Trying to pretend that the GOP is any better than the democrats is like arguing over which turd is a nicer shade of brown. Take a look at the history of the republican party. They started as radicals who fully intended to “undermine the Republic”.

    Today’s democrats are pretty much the same as the original radical republicans. The current republican party differs from the democrats only in the public rhetoric they use to rope anyone disgusted with the democrats into their big tent, where they can be cornholed at the leisure of the GOP party bosses.

    I agree with you about the incompetence of the federal government, though it’s plain to see that the government is totally controlled by the tag team of DNC and GOP.

  46. VICB3 says:
    @Flavius

    e) Cut off all welfare at both State and Federal levels for all immigrants and their families. (The Bird Feeder Analogy. Look it up.)

    f) Compel the Government of Mexico to police their Northern Border as assiduously as they do their Southern one. Also insist that they no longer encourage Northern migration via the various “How To” booklets that are distributed those wishing to head North.

    This could be accomplished most easily by hitting them in the pocketbook. Put a, say, (ruinous) 5000% duty on all Mexican origin goods, as well as all goods transshipped through Mexico – e.g. containers offloaded in Mexican ports destined for the U.S. Market. (For example, those cars manufactured in Hermosillo would suddenly be too costly for the U.S. market. And cheaper Mexican ports would lose their attraction for Importers. ) Likewise, put a, say, 25% currency tax on remissions to Mexico and Central America, thus likewise threatening their economy further still.

    Inform them that these tarrifs will remain in place unless and until the United States is satisfied that immigration as diminished to a substantial degree, substantial being in the area of 90% or more.

    g) Likewise, rather than the U.S. footing the bill to deport illegals, make Mexico pay for it. Since Mexican Consulates are, I believe, Mexican Territory, the easiest way would be to simply shove detained illegals through their front doors. Thus the cost burden of transporting their citizens home now falls on them

    Thus incentivized as above, Mexico would quickly do its part to shut off the illegal immigration of its Citizens and the pass-thru of its Southern Neighbours in a hurry.

    If you want illegal immigration to stop, then stop encouraging it on all sides.

    Just a thought.

    VicB3

    • Replies: @Alden
  47. Malla says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Thorfinnsson, your post is a pest trap. All the White race hating scum roaches on Unz came scurrying to attack. LOL.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
  48. dave337 says:

    I’m not bitterly hostile, I’m just adrift in a sea of latino and other groups in California, who themselves are increasingly hostile.

  49. Fred has really become the Great Retardo lately. He’s seeing Mexican discrimination where only love exists. Does he not understand the privilege and favor illegals receive in the U.S.? Fred, we understand you have to Virtue Signal your goodness to your hosts, but fuggoof, ok? You haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. And spare us the pictures of the pretty little Chicas, will you? They aren’t the reality.

  50. @Malla

    Indeed.

    I’m not even sure what they’re doing on this site, as their emotional needs are well served by the enemy media.

    Perhaps just adoring fans of Federico Reedriguez’s passionate desire to destroy America on behalf of his beloved Mexican mestizos.

  51. @Sunbeam

    As far as Hispanics go, they work, they are Christian, they are family oriented and they are generally happy people and they WANT to be part of America as it was. Hispanics born here, or who are in the system as working towards citizenship should be allowed to stay. NO govt. $$$ for ANY non-citizens.
    NO muslims ever. Their religion precludes them from assimilating,.

  52. Currahee says:

    “Rosa is also likely to be pretty,”

    NOT!

  53. Oldeguy says:
    @Flavius

    Sane reply to another sane Fred column. The problem here is that many of the Alt-Right folks here live in an alternative universe where social challenges are easily resolved by methods that would have made Himmler blush.
    Forty five million people are not going to be packed into boxcars and dumped into the desert just south of the Rio Grande. Those seeking minimum wage jobs harvesting crops are not going to have to negotiate land mines and duck machine gun bullets to apply.
    Mexican- American Americans born in this country are not going to be “sent back to where they came from” ( Mexico ? the womb ? ) any more than Irish- Americans are going to be deported back to County Mayo.
    Because we are not that kind of country. We are not that kind of people.
    Thank God.
    Meeting the challenge of assimilation into productive, law-abiding, stable family based Middle Class American life for those already here is going to require clear-headed realism ( which the Identity Politics folks avoid like the plague ) and, in equal measure, genuine heartfelt Good Will (of which of the Alt-Right folks seem incapable ) all the way around.
    Difficult ( what of real value in life is not ?) , but we gotta : the future of this country depends on it.

  54. Bill Jones says: • Website
    @athEIst

    Like Paris, then.
    ( The French can’t spell favellas. )

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  55. Sunbeam says:
    @Oldeguy

    “Meeting the challenge of assimilation into productive, law-abiding, stable family based Middle Class American life for those already here is going to require clear-headed realism ( which the Identity Politics folks avoid like the plague ) and, in equal measure, genuine heartfelt Good Will (of which of the Alt-Right folks seem incapable ) all the way around.
    Difficult ( what of real value in life is not ?) , but we gotta : the future of this country depends on it.”

    Well you are certainly going to have to put together an interesting coalition. Who do you imagine is going to be in it with you? Is there a silent majority or something?

    Tell ya what. Go to Southern California and get a bunch of hispanics to buy into this.

    Then, since trends are supposed to start in California, no doubt it spreads to the rest of the country.

  56. Truth says:
    @Backwoods Bob

    You’re a Cuck to a Latina for Christ’s sake Fred.

    I’m proudly Alt-right and married to a SE Asian you dipshit, Fred.

    WHUUUUUUT?

    Is there a hierarchy amongst you guys that I am unaware of? Or have you come to a consensus as to what is culturally accepted race-traiting yet?

    • Replies: @Backwoods Bob
  57. republic says:

    Mexico has about 67000 Jews. Reed is married to one. His positive reaction to the rapid increasing of the Mexican population of the US is very similar to those of the cultural Marxists in the US, who have long sought to dilute the majority White population which is now only about 56% of the US.

  58. Isn’t it time to retire this has-been relic from the Hippy Dippy ླྀs who thinks aping Gonzo is “edgy” and that his apologetics on behalf of his viagra-soaked crotch are serious commentary?

    This turd stinks. Worse than others. Far, far worse.

  59. “On accomodating reality”

    That totally isn’t the issue
    The issue is how do we get rid of the problem of accomodating the reality.
    And you’re not helping

    People migrate, whatever.
    At some point it becomes an evil plan.
    We want to stop the evil plan.

    So stop your migration business, Soros, the left, the right.

    Face the real issues.

    • Replies: @norse nestor
  60. @norse nestor

    I’m just some drunk guy posting shit.
    Don’t take any of this seriously.

  61. Rurik says:

    those bitterly hostile to our Latin-America population

    dumbfuck

    it isn’t the Hispanics that are here, it’s the trajectory asshole

    we’re the guys who are officially told to get to the back of the line behind ALL minorities, in all circumstances, OK asshole?

    only an asshole would advocate that such a system is ok, and should be with working class white men who are discriminated against in all things in this country as the minorities (of all stripes) flood in to take our jobs and transform our communities into places we don’t recognize.

    what a pathetic tool Fred has become

    sad and pathetic

    reminds me of the Apaches who worked as scouts for the US Army, and would betray their tribe for a few drinks of whiskey and a US cavalry uniform

    if there were no such thing as Affirmative Action, and everybody had a great job, and there was no such thing as racial or cultural animosity and so forth, then Fred might be making some sense.

    but all of that is Rainbow land with unicorns and leprechauns, and that’s just not where we live.

    • Agree: MikeatMikedotMike
  62. @Rurik

    We have like 10000 ways to take care of our proginy.

    What about our preginy ?

    stock market ?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  63. Ossettian says:

    I’m English, and have only spent 6 weeks in the USA (but I suspect that that’s 6 weeks more than the average US citizen has spent outside the USA).

    But I’ve been to both Nogales and it was very, very clear that Mestizos are not an asset to the USA.

    Not as stupid, lazy, violent and diseased as blacks? True.

    But human in the way that we are: no way.

    • Replies: @Biff
  64. KenH says:

    The second found that succeeding generations are losing their identification as Hispanics, also hardly a surprise, and also that intermarriage is high. Is this not assimilation?

    Your link only says that five million or 11% of the Hispanic population do not self identify as Hispanic. So if 89% still do then no, that is a pretty poor record of assimilation. There also can’t be assimilation when many universities have Chicano studies programs which, like Afro-merican studies, fosters a sense of victimhood and promotes a confrontational attitude towards America and the white majority.

  65. You’ve convinced me, Fred.

    Your last paragraphs are absolutely true, I’ve seen it up close.

  66. @Da Wei

    You’re a hypocritical asshole.

    Telling someone to calm down, that they are hysterical, is exactly the kind of insulting ad-hom you pretend to be against.

    It isn’t an argument, asshole.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  67. @Truth

    Race traiting? lol.

    Usually rhetorical questions are coherent. Yours is self-contradictory.

    Not being slaves to “cultural acceptance” in this feminized, marxist era is what defines most of us.

    If you marry a white, black, brown, yellow, or blue feminist – you’re a Cuck. It has nothing to do with race, although race is an extremely powerful filter since most white women are feminists and Asian feminists are nonexistent.

    You’re obviously ignorant about Latinas. They like Macho, not feminized cucks. That was the point with Fred.

    • Replies: @Alden
  68. Fred,

    What’s the problemo, Fred? Are you a prisoner of the Stockholm Syndrome?

    You keep making these pinatas of cartoon gringo villains.

    Yet you’ve got PLENTY of villains in your beloved Mexico — the kind that might pay you a little visit if you “disrespected” them. No pinatas of them, eh, Fred?
    :-)

  69. Biff says:
    @bobbybobbob

    Yes, huge numbers of them will. Shut off all the free goodies and make it clear the culture is hostile to them and they will leave

    Who’s going to work for Walmart or McDonalds – the two biggest welfare queens on the planet?

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
  70. Biff says:
    @Backwoods Bob

    It isn’t about racial purity, but about property rights and individual liberty.

    It was Washington that did away with that, and they would love for you to blame the “other” particularly the “ethnic other”.

  71. Biff says:
    @athEIst

    So on includes a ring of favellas, a sure sign that the modern city is a third-world city.

    We call them slums up north. What’s in a name?

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    , @Alden
  72. Biff says:
    @tim s

    Go after the neocons, they are the mortal enemies of our culture. All others are flying monkeys thrown at us.

    It took a lot of wading through stinky bullshit to find someone who gets it.

  73. Wally says:
    @Oldeguy

    said:
    ” are easily resolved by methods that would have made Himmler blush”

    So what do you think Himmler did? Please present proof of what you think.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are laughable, scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

  74. Wally says:
    @tim s

    Bingo. Typical false arguments galore, aka: strawmen from Fred.

    I know no ‘alt-righters’ that think like this Fred says they think.

    http://www.codoh.com

  75. TG says:

    They say that “Mexicans take American Jobs.” They do, but not quite like that.

    It would be more accurate to say that, because of the government-engineered Mexican population explosion, A massive number of Mexicans floods the labor market and produces great poverty for all workers in contact with it, and of course great profits for the elites.

    Why do Mexicans try so hard to escape from Mexico? Is it because they are racist and hate Mexicans? Or because, they don’t want to live in an overpopulated third-world hell hole? The latter, correct? Then how can you blame US citizens – of whatever race – for also not wanting to live in a country with too many people flooding the labor market?

    My grandparents came from Sweden. They were good people, but the massive importation of foreign nationals from (then) poor countries like Sweden devastated the working class in this nation. Only after the rate at which people like my grandparents were allowed to come here was radically reduced, did the working class make progress. But I don’t think of myself as a Swede – I’m an American.

    So the big question: will Mexicans in the US start to think of themselves as Americans, and support efforts to reduce immigration so that all US citizens can regain lost ground and prosper, as my parents did? Or will they retain their loyalty to their ‘Raza’?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  76. Biff says:
    @Ossettian

    I hope they didn’t get your crumpets in a bundle, and force you to miss your tea time with your butler.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  77. Wally says:
    @bobbybobbob

    So why does Fred ignore the fact that it is The Usual Enemies of Free speech / Jews and their media who are the ones fanning the flames?
    They do not want, nor will they allow any reconciliation, any moderate immigration, they want the destruction of Euro-whites any way they can get it.
    Jews and their shills support strict Israeli immigration laws which specify JEWS ONLY, while demanding massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe.

    And the 800 lb. gorilla …. they use the fake ‘holocau$t’ as a cover.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

  78. Wally says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Have a look at the Mexican Congress:

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  79. Wally says:
    @exiled off mainstreet

    said:
    “US is eventually all immigrants anyway, I don’t see it being as serious a problem as some think”

    Your comparison is not valid.
    Today’s largely dumb ‘immigrants’ are simply not the same as yesterdays much higher IQ immigrants.

    And that IS a huge problem for a modern, increasingly technological society.

  80. Nothing to worry about. Dollar will fall civil war will follow.
    Mexicans will be the lucky ones. They have a place to run to.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  81. Wally says:
    @TheJester

    Agreed.

    It’s hilarious how Mexicans flee shitty Mexico for CA only to turn CA into shitty Mexico.

    Only the very dumb do such a thing and like it.

  82. Wally says:
    @nsa

    Indeed, Fred is more & more coming off like the SPLC.

    http://www.codoh.com

  83. syonredux says:
    @AaronB

    and the incomparable Borges is the wisest and best post war writer.

    Borges was an Anglophile and a White man; he’s hardly representative of the Mestizo Latinx hordes currently infesting Anglo-America.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  84. Da Wei says:
    @Backwoods Bob

    Backwards Bob, you foul mouthed little critter, you:

    An argument is an appeal to reason. That seems to preclude you as a recipient of any argument. Ergo, Dipshit, there was no argument directed to you. I simply invited you to act like a white man. Now, is that what you think you did?

    By the way, Bob, your second sentence is grammatically incorrect, reflecting your poor reasoning. The subject of the sentence is singular (someone) and your pronoun is plural (they). Maybe that is insignificant to you, Bob, seein’s how you don’t seem to worry about keeping your thinking straight. Just consider your grammatical imprecision a form of hypocrisy.

    You don’t learn when you are talking, Bob, so try keeping quiet for a while.

  85. To describe the emerging situation in Europe just substitute Hispanic with Muslim, and USA by Europe.
    The clash, clashes, here is/are about culture.

    The customary christmas or new year speeches by heads of state, the Dutch king, Merkel, Macron, Belgian prime minister Michel, all had as main topic the tear, rift, in society.
    Especially German comments were that there is an abyss.

    This abyss already became very clear in France in 2005, riots in the Muslim ghetto’s, the banlieues.
    Since then the situation just deteriorated.
    The most horrible example is an attack on two police cars guarding a security camera, throwing molotov coctails into the cars, and preventing the police, four in total, one of them a woman, from escaping from the cars.
    None of them died, one has such severe burns that he will suffer for the rest of his life.

    After demonstrations by the French police, illegal, the goverment promised cars with non breakable windows, and fire resistant uniforms.
    The next step must be kicking resistant uniforms, a police woman was hurt severely when two of them tried to calm down unrest.

    It is the same in Belgium, more and more agression against police.
    And in Sweden, fire fighters not being allowed by police to attend to fires until there is sufficient police protection, in quarters with mainly migrants.
    Also German cities have no go areas.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  86. Amasius says:

    I think it’s a rule of nature that you have to shill for your wife’s tribe if you’ve gone outside your own. Fred Reed shills for latinos, Richard Spencer married a Russian woman and shills for Russia so hard he even pooh-poohs the Holodomor, Derbyshire has his “ice people.” My favorite Teaching Company lecturer Kenneth Harl married a Turkish woman and what did he do? Produce a lecture series on the Ottoman Empire featuring a lecture on the Armenian genocide which minimizes it as much as he possibly can while still maintaining academic credibility.

  87. voim says:

    Gen Z here, allowing millions of third worlders into the US and telling them they were part of the American identity after watching their third monday night football game has Phucked up american identity beyond repair. Young white americans don’t have any “culture”, as the blacks often say.

    Freed, we(Alt right and misc WN youth) are not going to go away. There will be more and more of us as racial tensions grow until the US collapses.
    The sooner the better in my opinion. Because out of these experiences and events a culture will emerge that will belong to us and not the entire world.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  88. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Are there any estimates for what percentage of all births last year were to one Hispanic, white white unions?

    • Replies: @Saxon
  89. Fred, this crap isn’t even wrong.

    Setting aside all matters related to Hispanics and immigration, if you actually think that Breitbart is Alt-Right, you are more clueless than I ever imagined. Breitbart is an Israel-first propaganda rag that until very recently was managed by the traitorous swamp rat Steve Bannon, who has just thankfully been shown the door. The comments section there doesn’t rise above the level of “muh NASCAR”; and although they may chant “Build the Wall” and “Send them Back,” they’re far too brainwashed to entertain any ethnocentric sentiments. You should try going to Breitbart and LARPing as an Hispanic conservative. I’ll bet those “haters” give you more up-votes than you’ve ever got in your life.

    ~~~

    New subject: I can’t help feeling a little suspicious when I see a chorus of commenters here eagerly yup-yupping the proposition that “We won’t be sending 12 million people back to Mexico.” Quite a few posters have said this in the thread above, almost as if they chimed in just to repeat the mantra, to put their personal stamp on it so they wouldn’t be missed. It reminds me of the days after 9/11 when everyone was mindlessly mouthing the slogan “Islam is a religion of peace,” literally before the smoke had even cleared.

    This all feels very AstroTurfed. There is something in the ether right now that is causing people to accept, even to celebrate, Trump’s impending cave-in on DACA. Fred Reed is certainly doing his part, and not just because the CIA slipped a little something extra this month to their man in Guadalajara. It requires no conspiracy; it is just the natural tendency of weak minds to rationalize their own defeat—nay, to transmogrify it into an ersatz victory—in which endeavor they are greatly assisted by rallying around empty catchphrases. There is no debate; the Dufflepud gallery has spoken.

    But I would not bet on them being right.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  90. I like Fred. The pictures of the Latinas he uses, though, are 180 degrees out of synch with the reality of the Latin American invasion here in Norte Virginia.

    I must admit that my views on stopping the invasion would be reoriented if the ladies looked more like the lovely in the picture, and less like the gals I see at the medical center.

    I am not sure that those of us who only want to have our own autonomous nation, and not have industrial-sized decades-long third world immigration shoved down our throats and against our wishes, necessarily take a “dim view” of Latin Americans. Kind of cheap shot on AR there Fred. As Macron said recently, too much immigration will increase racism. We are sick of being invaded and naturally some of that frustration is going to spill over into some dislike of the invaders themselves. I think most Americans really like Latinos, for the most part — but not MS-13 and the Latin Kings and the drunken drivers so let up on the gas Fred, you are above that.

  91. eah says:
    @anonymous

    Operation Wetback — would probably need a new name today.

  92. Renoman says:

    You sure got a lot of folks tuned up with this one Fred which likely means you are right. I’m from Canada so I know little of the issue but I am also a believer in the “you will get as much as you will take ” philosophy and I’d say us white folks have had about enough. Too many guns in the USA for this to end well.

  93. “A beginning would be not to turn them into another dysfunctional, hostile racial minority–which is exactly what the Alt-Right seems bent on doing. Blacks, thirteen percent of the population, appear irremediably angry, with obvious untoward consequences. If the Alt-Right can make another seventeen percent into internal enemies, it will be the end of anything recognizable as America.”

    The circumstance of Blacks wasn’t created by the Alt-Right or any other flavor of the right, whose emphasis has always been on personal responsibility. Black resentment was fostered by leftist infantilization of the group as a race, destruction of the black family by the welfare state, and opportunistic black leaders determined to drive a wedge between blacks and the broader population.

    So by the logic of this piece, the goal should be to prevent the left from having anything further to do with the decisions regarding our latin minority before it’s too late. Compared to their destructive efforts, what the alt-right or anyone else does is totally irrelevant.

  94. US could learn something from Mexico: there, 10-15% whites rule all & everything.

  95. @Rurik

    ” Who let the dogs out? Ruf Ruf. ” (You know the song?)
    If the dog bites you, you would be ridiculous to get angry with the dog.
    You should get angry with the owner who let the dog out.
    Of course than you could shoot the dog. but not be angry with him.
    The owners who let the dog out, (in this case in actually in,) are Democrats.

  96. @Amasius

    Dick Spencer’s tit cow isn’t even Russian.

    She’s some kind of Georgian or other Caucasusoid.

    Basement tier white, in other words.

    And she’s obsessed with Alexander Dugin–who is not a friend of the white race.

  97. TheOldOne says:

    Why is Reed’s column posted here? To retire, Fred.

  98. @Bill Jones

    It’s also obvious that the French cannot pronounce ciciri or Cinzano. OT, maybe.

  99. mp says:

    … and practiced by Japanese, Chinese, Jews, white nationalists, Latin Americans…

    Notice how linguistic orthography deprecates Whites as a group by not capitalizing their signifier. When it was just Europeans, identity could be known and referred by using nationality or ethnicity. But now that non-Whites have made a claim to be “European,” there is no good reason for the word not to be capitalized. Especially now that Whites are developing a racial consciousness. In fact, in order to foster racial cohesion, the word ought to be capitalized, on par with other proper nouns such as Asians, Africans, etc.

  100. @Wally

    Neo-fascist aesthetic and worldview, another reason to oppose Central and South American immigration.

  101. Rurik says:
    @jilles dykstra

    To describe the emerging situation in Europe just substitute Hispanic with Muslim, and USA by Europe.
    The clash, clashes, here is/are about culture.

    thank you!

    but more than being about culture per se, it’s about power

    and numbers

    and its civilizational

    from New Zealand to Norway- the International Jewish banksters and their ethno-tribalists who control the media have created the meme in Western people that they’re all guilty of racism (colonialism or whatever kind of ‘ism’ works) and that they all have to be blended out of existence as a kind of justice for the evil racist people that they endemically are.

    and over the generations, this kind of shaming has worked on the weaker minded, feminized members of the former and dying (murdered) Western world.

    All you have to do is look at places like Rhodesia- that committed national suicide out of guilt for their terrible racism. And have given their prospects over to a brutal kind of uber-black racism on steroids that destroyed the nation outright. (to the silent approval of the Jewish banksters and controlled media/academia, and of course Fred; who’s never heard of Zimbabwe)

    So now they’re on a roll. They’ve destroyed S. Africa and created the rape capital that has competition today from, of all places Sweden!

    Only the most disingenuous or idiotic would pretend that this migrant crisis isn’t orchestrated by the world’s globalist banksters and Zionists. (a word Fred has never heard of ; )

    So as the Mexicans (and Salvadorians and Hondurans and Somalis and Middle Easterners and Africans and any and everybody else who is not a white Westerner = [ Nazi / alt-right / white supremacists] pours into the dying West, we’re all assured that these people are a net boon to our nations, as they transform the place into unrecognizable and hostile encampments for the looming confrontation.

    Fred and the rest of the propagandist$ tell us there is nothing to worry about!, as California has been transformed forever into a bastion of Democratic voters and politicians overtly hostile to the former white majority of this dying (murdered) nation.

    Only an imbecile or a liar would pretend not to notice the ominous change in the Democrat party of today. They are now the official Anti-White party of America. Is Fred too stupid to see this? Or has he made a deal with the devil to promote the anti-white juggernaut that will inevitably lead to slaughter in the streets. Just like the Russian revolution, where the “Whites’ and the “Reds’ battled it out to create the Jewish / Bolshevik nightmare for the productive white farmers and their families and middle classes that were genocided wholesale, sent to gulags, and otherwise taught a terrible lesson that we are about to learn all over again.

    But you have to have propagandists to sell the looming horror show to the public!

    You have to convince the people that being replaced with others is really a good thing, and that even as they shoot holes in your daughters, and are let off by the ((PTB)), who consider the life of some filthy white shiksa (Nazi baby factory) worthless at best, we should all be grateful for the opportunity to be replaced with better people than we, (not racists and Nazis and white supremacists like you and Trump and Les Deplorables)

    Tell us Fred, how it’s going to be a utopia when Oprah (or some other white-hating apparatchik) is president

    Trump vs. Hillary was the last gasp of the dying ((murdered)) Western world. We dodged that bullet for now, but it’s for us to see what that means vis-a-vis immigration. And it is the issue of immigration from the Third World into the West that will determine whether or not your children and grandchildren will have any kind of future at all, or if they’re going to end up like the Kulaks of Ukraine…. all the way to the whites of Zimbabwe.

    If someone tells you those two events (and including massive Third World immigration into the ZUSA) are unrelated, they’re either a lying rat, or a certifiable imbecile. My money’s on the former.

    • Agree: SMK
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  102. pyrrhus says:
    @Biff

    McDonalds is going to automation already, and Walmart would have to pay more than the minimum wage, which would cut slightly into the Billionaires’ take….what a shame.

    • Replies: @Wally
  103. Rurik says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    the CIA slipped a little something extra this month to their man in Guadalajara.

    ;)

  104. This site is full of dead frolicking idiots.

  105. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    White male born in 1940s Washington, DC area. Most immigrants are willing, energetic, people, with strong family allegiances, but their education is culturally limited even when they have advanced degrees, the quality of the knowledge in the credentialed person is generally lacking. This has been the problem of the black in America since day one: its called competitive access..
    Digressing for a moment, what is the difference between Hillary Clinton and plane Jane born south of the border housewife living in USA occupied America.. the answer is “who she grew up with”, what learning experiences she was exposed to while growing up; which college she was encouraged to and able to afford to attend; which courses of study she was encouraged to pursue; and upon graduation, which jobs was she offered and how fast was she moved up through the organization so that capacity in terms of contacts and challenges were improving her capacity to compete in our society.
    So: access to capital, learning experiences and on the job training are the main barriers to assimilation. The Jewish immigrant communities had 1000 years or so of learning to assimilate.. and they developed a global education and financial system, a system that operates more or less independent of the nation of domicile of the immigrants. Jewish home school education, in a Jewish immigrant community education is a focused effort, such is a most important component of growing up, and just behind the community learning experience support is the community financial support, made available to help overcome financial need when ever that need was a barrier to opportunity. The idea is to provide capacity to capable immigrants so when they encounter a substantial local community opportunity, one that takes money, the money and capacity to take advantage of such opportunity was nearly always there, even if the support came from central Europe.
    ex. an immigrant from Peru barely able to speak English arrives to AmericanCity, USA, becomes a roofer, earns nice money, and one day the company he works for files bankruptcy.. it has 100 workers, a large very prominent building in downtown, owns quite a bit of equipment, and collectively the workers have a lot of experience, the company can be taken out of bankruptcy for $1.2 million, its equipment alone is worth maybe $4. million. If this immigrant roofer person had been a Jewish immigrant; the Jewish community would quickly find a way for this person to pay the $1.2 million and become someone important in the community. All of the other immigrating cultures need to do the same.. The barrier to assimilation is access to advanced level learning experiences, access to opportunity, and those barriers are in place because of educational and financial incapacity. Just as soon as a member of the immigrant community owns the business he or she is able to provide opportunity to other immigrants.
    So support from within is the most important aspect of achieving true assimilation. IMO. I do not know an American that has refused assimilation to anyone( white, black, Indian, Polish, Chinese, Jewish, Greek or whatever) who has the proper background and who is adequately prepared to compete within out society.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  106. Corvinus says:
    @voim

    “Freed, we(Alt right and misc WN youth) are not going to go away. There will be more and more of us as racial tensions grow until the US collapses.”

    More of you? Yes. To the point that you and your hordes will cause America to fall? No.

    We all know that you are not going to anything about it physically; instead, you will simply lament on a blog and hope someone else will do the dirty work for you.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    , @voim
  107. SMK says: • Website
    @Thorfinnsson

    Reading Fred’s article, one would think that the “alt-right” rules America and controls the debate over “Hispanics” and “Hispanic” immigration. If only the “alt-right” -which has almost no power and influence- would stop telling the truth about “Hispanics” -over 90% of whom are nonwhite, an overwhelming majority of Amerindians (including Mestizos) and a large minority of blacks (including mulattoes and zambos)- assimilation would occur even if tens of millions of nonwhites from Mexico and the rest of Latin America continue to flood and destroy the country.

    Just because Mestizos and pure Amerindians are not as awful as Negroes (including millions of blacks who are defined as “Hispanics” and “Latinos”) and Muslims doesn’t mean they’re not awful as a group and that their presence and influence is not deleterious -far more so than Muslims as a group because they far outnumber them and ultimately, in the future as a result of massive immigration. even more so than blacks when they far outnumber them.

    • Agree: Alden
  108. @Oldeguy

    but we gotta : the future of this country depends on it.

    For an old guy you lack historical perspective. The future of all multi-national empires is devolution into constituent nations. Or you can just shamble along as a perpetually “emerging economy,” like Brazil.

  109. tim s says:

    I’ll say it again – Get a firm hold on illegal immigration and limit who immigrates, but don’t demonize the sizable Hispanic population that is already here and working. Lay heavily on the welfare mooches and criminals, but don’t mix the two up. Many working Hispanics have cultural values more closely related to traditional white Americans than not, and you don’t want those people to turn against you. After all, our manufacturing base has been gutted, and only indirectly by them, meaning they shouldn’t get the noose. Don’t think that Hispanics are one unified group; they can be as racist towards those of other countries in Latin America as they can be of us, at least for now.

    The alt-right has the pathetic left on the ropes, but it is a tenuous position we are still in, and can’t afford enemies where there could be allies. Watch for agent provocateurs, for this issue is where they have the most potential for recovery of their strength, and to fight the Hispanics already legally (or even illegally but productive) in this country will a disastrous civil war, literal or figuratively speaking.

    The ship has to be righted from the top before going after the issues on lower levels, and the top only maintains power by keeping the lower tiers, particularly the stronger lower tiers, at each others throats. And no, traditional American whites are not top tier politically, as if than needs reiterating.

    • Replies: @Alden
  110. no citizen should feel the least bit of guilt demanding their laws be respected. No citizen should feel the least bit caution at calling for the arrest of any mayor, and council person, any supposed pastor or governor who supports aiding and abetting illegal immigrants.

    Nothing was a clearer picture that this president was or a is total coward. It’s one thing to send troops overseas, and lob missiles afar.

    It’s quite another to stand and face the immediate threat with all of its murky pseudo religious good samaritan nonsense. I think it is peculiar that people scream about where they country is gone standing behind a dozen foreign voices who are squeezing out manual skilled citizens trying to feed their families.

    There is a war and its right here at home.

    DACA — what a a display of cowardice.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  111. if only we can make some of the haters richer, I bet their hatred would be gone instantly if they are just slightly better off. most of the hatred in the comments seems to stem from being poor and looking for something to blame.

  112. aandrews says:
    @Veritatis

    “White males should be American first.”

    You mean, the continent?

  113. Rurik says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    stem from being poor and looking for something to blame.

    losers

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  114. Fred,

    You’re right, of course. I too believe assimilation is possible because I’ve seen it myself. Second generation “Latinos” I’ve worked with are pretty much assimilated and, more significantly, have the masculinity and style that remind me of white guys I grew up with in the late 70′s and 80′s (young white guys today seem to be androgynous fem-bois). Thus, I see hope here.

    I also agree with you that the alt-right demonizing of latinos is only going to lead to a race war that will destroy America and will be very bad for both anglos and latinos. Nothing good can come from this.

    Much of the alt-right is very seductive to me. There are many things they say that I agree with.

    However, I remember a posting on one of the alt-right sites a couple of years ago that made me part ways with them. It was of an Vietnamese immigrant, who became successful in his own right, then ran as a GOP congressman as essentially a libertarian like myself. His world-view was pretty much as “Randian” as mine. So, here’s a guy who is essentially on “my side” as much as possible and the alt-right poster are saying stupid shit like “he’s not a real American” or “he has to go back” etc, etc.

    It was at this moment that I parted ways with the alt-right.

    In any case, if we havc a “trump/Reagan” economic revolution (like I think we are) the resulting economic prosperity will cause the alt-right to fade away over time. The alt-right is a lot like the conservatives during the last two years of Carter as well as the first two years of Reagan. This “survivalist” mentality faded away during 83-84 when the Reagan economic boom was well underway.

    If anything, Trump will be good for Latinos in the U.S. Manufacturing is doing better and most Latinos work in manufacturing (as well as myelf, as an engineer). The fracking revolution (see Peter Zeihan’s book and site about this) is also good for U.S. manufacturing as well as economy as a whole. This is good for both anglos and latinos.

    • Replies: @Henry's Cat
  115. eah says:

    I wonder why Fred didn’t use this foto to illustrate his screed — oh wait, they’re white — never mind.

    • Replies: @SMK
  116. @Anonymous

    What is “our” society? The post-WW2 era in which you were raised when the society was near 90% white, or the place where whites are 64% of the society and dropping?

    An immigrant in the 1950′s had immense social pressure to assimilate: stingy welfare, no EASL services, no Title VII, no SJW crusades, and a governing white super-majority. They adapted and out-married into the super-majority, or they went back home. Or they formed insular ghettoes, like the Hasidim and the Amish, and American blacks.

    Past a certain point, there is no pressure to assimilate. You can set up your own patronage networks and use the former super-majority’s liberal laws to shape the society to your standards, not theirs.

    • Agree: Escher
    • Replies: @Corvinus
  117. @Astuteobservor II

    While it is true that money matters, one should not neglect what the loss of social structure does to those who have lost it.

    Many (black, white, and hispanic) grew up in a structure that their parents supported through churches and civic organizations without realizing how much those institutions depended on people to sustain them, and how much they, in turn, supported the people.

    The paradox is that the institutions, not always, but often, divided people into in-groups and out-groups. For this reason the social engineers sought to destroy them as they interfere with the construction of the super state. A very important baby went out with that bathwater.

    They cannot name what they miss, but they miss these institutions. The super state is not a substitute, as both the Russians and Chinese discovered, and we will eventually learn. The institutions cannot be transformed into a super state, as the Roman Catholic Church learned.

    Money will not substitute either. We are social animals and will not prosper without social structure.

    The only way there will be a super state is if we converge on one set of social values and institutions. There will be a lot of blood shed between now and that day.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  118. Didn’t read. It’s Fred Reed.

  119. That’s a fine article, Mr. Reed, balanced and rational. I agree that in a time of high unemployment, immigration should be severely limited and believe that we have to enforce our borders, as do other nations. I have been travelling the world since my teenage but I know of no country where I can stay without permission, much less work. But I reject the disparaging of our Latin-American fellow citizens and legal immigrants who, by and large, are honest family-loving people who have, from the inception of this nation, contributed much.

  120. Joe Hide says:

    Wow, you did it again. You wrote so many words of degrading, biased, and generalized hate toward us, just in the beginning of your article, that I and many others chose to simply stop reading at that point. Demeaningly categorizing millions of thinking people like me as stupid “Alt-right”, taking President Trump’s words out of context, and spending your time looking only for the small percentage of Briebart and similiar sites articles that go too far… do you really think we trust you? Fred, you have some good ideas and think deeper that most, BUT its a good idea to not immediately insult your readers so much. This has happened so many times in your articles that when I see see you as an author, I will simply go right then and there go to another article without even starting on yours.

  121. @Rurik

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism, for the simple reason that in my concious life my country lost its colonies.
    But of course colonialism was in general not beneficial to the existing populations.
    An old exception seems to be the Muslim colonisation of the Iberian peninsula.
    Maybe it became beneficial in the 20th century, income per head in the Dutch East Indies in 1940 was just reached again by Indonesia in the seventies.
    It was interesting to see on tv how the local population in now Zimbabwe welcomed back the former white owner of a farm, they expected to have work again.
    S Africa is destroying the part of the population, white, that keeps, or kept the economy running.
    Nevertheless, in the ‘good’ old times the Boers simply occupied land held by local cultures through their better weapons, of which Churchill said that the higher cultures have these better weapons.
    GB made great profits out of India, therefore Churchill was furious with FDR for wanting to liberate India from GB rule.
    So the picture again is not simple black and white, as history never is, if you look at the details.
    How the world would have fared without colonialism, nobody knows.
    And colonialism is not an exclusively white activity, for example the Aztecs were great colonists, as were the ancient Romans, or the Assyrian king Sargon.

    • Replies: @Saxon
  122. Those who predict a civil war or any kind of prolonged internal strife should remember this maxim (variously attributed, by some, to either Napoleon or Frederick the Great).

    An army marches on its stomach.

    The small farms are gone. There is no longer a widely distributed food system in this country but an interconnected web of large farms, processors, and chain stores supplied by 18 wheelers. That system can collapse, but it will take much more than internal strife to collapse it, and there will be an awful lot of blood shed when it does.

    The response to any internal strife will be suppression and the mass of the people will support that suppression – because they want to eat and cannot without the wheels turning.

  123. Oh FFS Fred:

    “Lima, Buenos Aires, Santiago, Bogotá, Montevideo and many others are modern cities…”

    Did you even try to leave the tourist areas of those cities? I’ve been to most of them, and like any big American city there are slums there too. This is like visiting LA and seeing only Bel Air or Pasadena or Irvine and concluding that all of LA is just like those 3 places.

    “Rosa is also likely to be pretty…”

    I live in southern California, and this is debatable. If you see the crowd exiting a Santa Ana high school at dismissal time, you’ll notice that a lot of the young women are overweight and tatted up. That’s not exclusive to Hispanics, but it’s not the eye candy Fred is imagining.

    “They say that “Mexicans take American jobs.”

    Red herring. The people taking those jobs are here because our government wants them here, i.e. they’ve caved in to employer pressure for ever-cheaper labor. Mandatory E-Verify would go a long ways toward correcting this. BTW, I am in favor of free labor markets; why should Mexican employers be forced to pay higher wages because their neighbor has a bizarre policy that works to drain Mexico of its entry level work force?

    And yes Fred, we get it. You don’t like black people.

  124. nsa says:

    Get ready for a repeat of the 1986 Ronnie Reagan Amnesty (Simpson-Mazzoli Act) in which the senile old geezer granted citizenship to between 3 and 5 million illegals. It was sold as a border crackdown and permanent fix to border jumping. The Rs loved it (cheap compliant labor) and the Ds loved it even more (reliable vismin voters). The result: within a decade, another 10 million border jumpers arrived and CA quickly became a majority hispanic one party state. Trumpstein and his chamber of commerce R pals are about to run the same game again on a degraded gullible public who believe anything appearing on their living room TalmudVision flat screen. Legal up as many border jumpers as possible and promise enhanced border security (a virtual “wall” consisting of a few laser beams and drones). The goal is to replace the unruly white and black trash with compliant docile brown trash…….

  125. “There is a difference between opposing further immigration, a good idea, and constantly attacking American citizens.”

    There is also a difference between citizens who speak English and don’t display flags from foreign countries all over their vehicles, property, and places of business.

  126. Most commenters here are racist morons (not that there is anything wrong with that, just…). Extreme “racial” puritanism, instead of dividing “almost whites” into assimilable & unassimilable groups, it, in reality, works against white European interests.Whites/Caucasians should try to assimilate smaller groups of marginally white people (many Hispanics, some Asian Indians, some non-European “almost whites” like Iranians or Arabs, quite a few American Indians ..). This all doesn’t apply to blacks, who are really a very different race (as are Aborigines etc.)

    Of course that most Hispanics are Mestizos, but they come in all shades. Their ethnic swamping should be stopped, but with endless racialist rambling about IQ, obsession with genetic lineage etc.- the future doesn’t look bright. Extremism leads to failure.

    I suppose this woman, now long past her prime (whose father was a darkie), should be treated as dangerous racial “other”:

    Shaking my head….

  127. FRED REED IS A BABY BOOMER

    Fred Reed pushes mass immigration.

    Mass immigration increases income inequality; mass immigration lowers wages; mass immigration increases housing costs; mass immigration swamps schools; mass immigration overwhelms hospitals; mass immigration causes sprawl; mass immigration harms the environment.

    Fred Reed pushes mass immigration.

    Mass immigration creates multicultural mayhem; mass immigration brings Islamic terrorism to the United States; mass immigration destroys cultural cohesion; mass immigration is an attack on US national sovereignty.

    Mass immigration stifles Affordable Family Formation for young White families in the United States.

    Why does Fred Reed push mass immigration?

    FRED REED IS A BABY BOOMER

  128. @Corvinus

    Now you’ve gone too far, you despicable little pustule.

    Leave the kid alone. He can come lament on this blog if he wants to. He and his generation have much to lament. This is one of the few places where they aren’t forgotten.

    And you, insulting the physical courage of someone less than half your age? Someone, moreover, whom you have never met and know nothing about? You’re acting like a bitter, middle-aged pervert, which is just the sort of vibe I’ve always gotten from your comments anyway. This is creepy in the extreme and exceeds the bounds of mere trolling.

    Don’t think you’re going to able to practice this villainy here and get away with it. Everybody is on to your shtick. You had better walk a very fine line in the future and don’t even think about messing with the youth again.

    • Agree: Alden
  129. AaronB says:
    @syonredux

    I get that, buit really depends on your values.

    For me, Anglo culture, with its competition and technology and coldness and abstraction, is pretty far removed from the Good Life.

    I would much rather we become much poorer and less efficient and less powerful nation but come closer to the Good Life, be warm happy and cheerful people who enjoy ourselves rather than work to death and don’t take life and the world very seriously at all, because the world is rather a joke.

    You see, a Borges never could gave arisen in an Anglo culture. The metaphysics of Anglo culture is that the physical world is realy important and the world must be taken very seriously indeed, and we must become grim humorless people in constant bad moods in order to accomplish things and make life efficient.

    The metaphysics of Latin culture is a wise knowing that the world is an illusion, hardly worth taking seriously at all, a bit of a farce really, and accomplishing things and working hard is something only a poor fool who doesn’t see through life would do.

    That’s the metaphysics underlying Borges marvelous stories, and Anglo metaphysics underlies the arid wasteland we call Silicon Valley, and the hollowed out but physically efficient towns of the heartland.

    So basically I think this country needs a tremendous dose of Latin culture – sure, we’ll become less wealthy, less powerful, even more dysfunctional, but that’s fantastic. Too much functionality kills the spirit.

  130. Matth says:

    How do you explain Texas being an growing, thriving, economic powerhouse, despite 40% of the population being Hispanic? By the way, I don’t have an answer. As a Texan, I can say that the Hispanic population feels more assimilated (and more white) in Texas than it does in California, but this is just an impression.

    • Replies: @tim s
  131. DFH says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    ‘Muh Dick’

    Not an argument.

  132. @AaronB

    If I had three wishes, one would be for people like you to have to live a couple of years in a favela in Rio.

    You are delusional.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  133. Sunbeam says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Uh,

    Who is Nora Jones? Never heard of her.

    Is this something like the part of the country that knew who Dale Earnhardt was, never heard of Bella Abzug?

    Because my mind is doing a blanky on this woman.

  134. SMK says: • Website
    @Sunbeam

    Its ironic that Fred should mention Montevideo, in 93% white Uruguay, as evidence that the “alt-right” is ignorant of “Latin America.” I wonder how many people, of all races, know that Uruguay is the whitest country in the Western Hemisphere. If only we could turn Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and every large city in the U.S. into Montevideo. Or even, to a lesser degree, Santiago and Buenos Aires.

  135. @Bardon Kaldian

    Hey, isn’t that the hot half-Muslim chick from Ted?

  136. You walk away from the ‘white’/’non-white’ paradigm at your peril.

  137. @Da Wei

    I gotta say, I agree with both of you guys as far as your comments in general. For Da Wei, I’ll say this: I think the time for being civil with our domestic enemies has passed long ago. It has not been helpful being nice and expecting our balance of powers in the feral govenment to let the people have their way. It has not been working.

    Fred Reed does need to know he’s a duplicitous asshole. I do like your line about the taste in women, but that brings up my idea about Fred’s writing. His Mexican wife is apparently a smart cookie, meaning she can not only read his writing but WILL DO SO. He IS pussy-whipped, in my opinion. Peak Stupidity does not have that problem. The wife does not care about the site because “it doesn’t make money”. Hahahaaaa, plus Peak Stupidity is about the truth, feelings be damned. We are a registered Equal Opportunity Offender.

    The diversity in races and cultures introduced into this country, along with the large diversity in ideas of what America is, makes some kind of civil war inevitable. Let’s hope it’s not as bloody as the last one.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  138. hvlee says:

    Small numbers spread over time will assimilate but in areas where they are the majority, there will be no reason to assimilate and there will be none. I submit parts of California, Gwinnett and Hall counties Georgia.

    • Replies: @Saxon
  139. @Amasius

    This is something that women do. It’s the female version of the bridal raid. If everybody’s intentions are upright and honorable, it can be seen as a kind of love story. The noble female gains a good man for her tribe, grafting him into her family and system of allegiances. The man is happy that he now has someone to love and something to fight for.

    But since people often act with mixed motives, the noble version of the story isn’t always the true one. The female has to make extra sure that she doesn’t lose credibility in her own tribe by being seen as a slut for marrying out. Therefore she has to nag her man constantly to be seen as not only loyal to her tribe but extremely beneficial to it as well (hence the shilling), which ironically just places the man at greater danger both from the jealousy of the males in his wife’s tribe and from the members of his old tribe, who now see him as a traitor.

    If you’re a man, the best way to successfully marry out is to keep quiet about it. Be the strong, silent type. Love your wife and be loyal to her tribe, but do it in non-vocal, non-extravagant ways. Let your children reap the benefits of assimilation rather than try to grasp it yourself. This is the sacrifice you will have to make. It is impossible to assimilate in one generation; you will always be a “foreigner” in your new surroundings. You will just have to bear that tension within your own being, bear it stoically to the grave, and there let it go extinct. Trying to resolve it in one lifetime only makes you look like an inauthentic fool.

  140. @TG

    Great comment, TG.

    As far as Mr. Reed’s and the commenter’s views on assimilation, it come down to one simple thing before anything about the types of immigrants – numbers. It’s simple. A city or neighborhood with 75% of any kind of people will live like they always have; there’s no reason to assimilate. Does anyone think, even in the legal immigration realm, that that 1/2 hour test on the US Constitution is taken home to be revered by the barely-English-speaking people that pass it? (Yeah, by taking home, I mean lots have it ahead of time to cheat with anyway ;-}

    Hispanics have come to this country in huge numbers, and there is no reason for them to assimilate. Just go to California and get around a bit. A Chinese friend of ours, recently moved from China to San Franciso, remarked to my wife “Hey, there’s too many foreigners!”. “What do you expect, you’re in America – there’s lots of us.” “No, I mean there’s too many foreigners, not Americans!”

    I personally know and have been friends with lots of immigrants who HAVE assimlated very well, but that’s confusing cause and effect. I have known them because they have assimilated.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  141. @Biff

    Heh!

    (not in agreement with you, but that was funny.)

  142. @KenH

    Along the lines of Trump’s “They don’t send us their best,” has Mexico ever sent us any of the beauties Fred keeps flashing at us?

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  143. tim s says:
    @Matth

    Energy would be one reason, but the Cali has that as well, just not to the extent that we in Texas do, AFIAK. The difference between Hispanics in Cali and those in Texas may well just be the environment. Cali seems to screw up people in the head in general more than here. We’re a bit less optimistic/utopian/clueless than they lean, particularly southern Cali. Hispanics are very social, and will be heavily influenced by the environment they find themselves in. A f’ed up environment will result in alot of f’ed up Hispanics. Fortunately, Texas is a bit less f’ed…at least for now.

  144. @KenH

    Thanks, Ken.

    It’s also worth pointing out that Fred is using “Alt-Right” in the same vein that the left uses “racist,” as a sort of undefined pejorative smear. And Fred’s use of “hate” and “loathe” follows in the leftist footsteps. These word have actual meanings, and Fred’s usage reveals an intent to propagandize rather than persuade. Neither of the websites Fred mentions, Vdare and Amren, claim the label “Alt-Right” for themselves.

    Anyway, the words “Hispanic” and “Latino” seem to me to be leftist propaganda words intended to conflate the citizens of 18 countries south of the United States into a single “racial” group, thereby making it easier to label sensible immigration restrictionists as “racists.” Somehow I don’t think either of those words accurately describes my pale-skinned, German-descended, Argentine acquaintances! Fred means Mexicans, and he should say so.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
    , @KenH
  145. Wally says:
    @pyrrhus

    Thanks to Trump’s new tax laws, WalMart just gave their employees bonuses and pay raises.

    Oops.

  146. @anonymous

    FDR also did forced deportations during the Great Depression in order to free up jobs for the masses of unemployed US citizens. His actions however are not as well remembered as ‘Operation Wetback’ under Eisenhower.

  147. syonredux says:
    @AaronB

    I get that, buit really depends on your values.

    And Borges’ values were quite Anglo. After all, he liked to note that he first read Cervantes in English translation. Plus, he was also fond of noting that one of the reasons why he had such an affinity for the USA is because America, like Argentina, was a White Man’s Country…..And then there’s the fact that his literary idols were nearly all Anglo:Edgar Allan Poe, HG Wells, Robert Louis Stevenson, …….

    • Replies: @AaronB
  148. Wally says:
    @Roman

    Notice that Fred does not mention Mexico’s immigration policies.

    Deportation of Central Americans and the fact that Euro-whites are restricted in where they can own land in Mexico.

    Perhaps Fred would be pleased if we simply copy Mexico’s policies.

    Exporting Mexicans to the US and then receiving the money those illegals send back to Mexico means that illegals are Mexico’s most profitable export.
    Mexico’s govt. actually facilitates the export of Mexicans to the US.

    Notice how the Mexican govt. tries to distract their population by ignoring facts about Mexico.
    Euro-white Mexican Congress:

  149. anononomy says:

    If they know how to vote and get special treatment for their own people then they are assimilated.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  150. @Rurik

    what does that picture tell anything about you besides your looks? if that is your picture.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @MikeatMikedotMike
  151. prusmc says:
    @TheJester

    Jester:
    Fred never replies to comments or questions, so I ask you, have you read tje 1997 book by Thomas Culcuit called ” Tbe second civil war: the coming break up of America”? Almost all of the interior areas have serious islands of the coastal rot embedded in an otherwise strong legacy population and philosophical base. These electoral/academic stongholds are disproportinately influential and they more than offset the numbers with differing views. For example, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan and Ohio could never break out from the coastal elite influence. There is no bastion of support for a legacy America that is regionally dominant to allow any type of resistance to overlordship by a coastal-central elite. Not today with the homoginized cultural endoctrination of the media and educational system. Sixty years back, maybe.

  152. @another fred

    ehh, china is doing well. russia was doing well till the sanctions hit. and it is recovering. if you meant ussr, communism was never gonna work. just like all ideologies, they don’t work.

    I was and am not a fan of forced integration. it should be allow to happen organically. there will always be people who hate anything that is different, forcing those to live with other races is as bad as forcing those who wants to mingle apart.

    imagine forcing a black panther member to live side by side with a KKK member?

    assimilation takes time, but the elites wants a bigger population for a bigger economy. so immigration was accelerated. no matter how much one hates the elites, they already saw the writing on the wall in mid 90s about the chinese economy.

    • Replies: @another fred
  153. The definition of ‘American’ was set in America’s founding immigration policy, the 1790 Naturalization Act. ‘American’ is defined by the people who actually made America as ‘free whites of good character’, with good character logically being a character similar to that of the white nationalist founding fathers writing those words. And with the definition of ‘white’ logically meaning ‘looks white, behaves white’ therefore should be able to culturally assimilate without too much issue.

    The 1965 immigration act was pushed on Americans without their consent. No, Americans did not vote to make themselves and their children minorities in their own country. You have a couple of notorious Jews to thank for that piece of legislative treachery.

    No one has any more right to change that definition than they have to go into Mexico and say now Indians and Arabs and Asians etc. are all Mexican now too.

    The 1965 immigration act is an act of genocide. It is not legitimate legislation. The entire concept of immigration is about the improvement of a country through the acquisition of high quality migrants. The entire concept of the 1965 immigration act is to alter the political landscape by changing the demographic landscape through the mass importation of all the wrong kinds of people from all the most primitive, hostile and uncivilized corners of the world.

    All of America’s current problems stem from American’s deviating from the 1790 Naturalization act, turning away from unity to pretend diversity was not the exact opposite concept.

    The most important words in the US constitution are indeed “for ourselves and our posterity”.

    Real patriots remember to uphold more than select parts of just the constitution/bill of rights.

    Real patriots remember that REAL American values don’t come from the mid 20th century. But the late 18th century. Anyone who says otherwise has chosen progressive values over American values and, as a result, is no longer of the good character necessary to be considered American.

    Fred Reed, you are not an American.

    You, and those like you, are the traitors. The ones who will need to be either killed off or subjugated if America is to have a future that doesn’t mirror the Jewish Bolshevik Revolution in Russia.

    “Genocide is the reality of Marxism everywhere in the World where it was adopted. You must understand, the Bolshevik Communist Jews who took over Russia were not Russian. They hated Russians, they hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered 66 million people without a shred of remorse. It cannot be overstated, Bolshevism committed the greatest slaughter of all time, from 1918/1957. Solzhenitsyn cited Cheka Order No, 10 issued 1/8/1921 ” To intensify repression of the Bourgeoisie. The fact that most of the World is ignorant and uncaring of this enormous crime is proof the Global Media is in the hands of the perpetrators.”
    -Alexander Solzhenitsyn; Author Gulag Archipelago

  154. AaronB says:
    @syonredux

    Borges liked the poetic side of Anglo culture, the side opposed to the dominant culture. Poe died a penniless drunk on the streets, because dominant Anglo culture has no use for his pessimistic world denying vision, which is delicious to those of us who think the world is an absurd horror.

    This side of Anglo culture is great, but it was always a minority view, and today has almost completely vanished. The stupid side of Anglo culture has completely triumphed. The values of Silicon Valley define Anglo culture today. Optimism, realism, and seriousness define modern Anglo stupidity.

    True, the whole world has become rather stupid, but glimmers of light remain in the non Anglo world. Those of us trapped in an Anglo wasteland can only hope to warm our our hands by these embers. Soon, maybe, the stupidity will be worldwide.

    When asked why he didn’t write down his philosophy, Borges replied that Schopenhauer already wrote it down for him.

    And even the good side of Anglo culture that produced Poe and Blake hasn’t produced great liberators from the illusion of the world like Schopenhauer and Borges. The good Anglo tradition is not quite on the same level, because after all, it comes from the epicenter of stupidity.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  155. Fred claims Hispanics can be assimilated, but fails to provide any evidence for his claims. Hispanics have voted as blue as San Fran, even after the Reagan amnesty, with no signs of a significant shift coming at all. And they’ve been staunchly acting in their own group interests for decades before the Alt-right even existed. If you claim they can be assimilated, then show empirical evidence that is both possible and likely. Old Freddy boy refuses to think that Hispanics might act in their group interest because, you know, it benefits them and instead ascribes moral responsibility to only the white guys. Again.

    And you know what they say about impossible, you’ll never know unless you try.

  156. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    “I have traveled extensively in all the countries of South America except Paraguay and Venezuela. Nowhere (with the exception perhaps of parts of Central America) have I seen the hellholes imagined–”

    I guess you haven’t seen the Spanish Harlems which have arisen in every US town of any size over the last 30 years.

    I love to visit places like Mexico and Africa–but I don’t want to live there nor do I want those lifestyles overepresented in my native land.

  157. I live in Chicago. Mexicans are OK, and they are probably assimilable. I have learned not to mind them painting the trees white but they do need to start putting toilet paper in the toilet and not in the trash. That should be part of the US civics classes.

    The real issue here Fred is you probably can’t conjure the will to stop importing them if they aren’t vilified. “They are wonderful people, let’s not take anymore” doesn’t sell well.

    If you honestly believe they are assimilable and believe it for the best we assimilate them, you still have to contend with the reality that we cannot assimilate them if we do not limit their numbers, they will form their own separate and isolated communities that resist assimilation, or if they get big enough maybe assimilate us instead. We have to dial back on immigration from all sources before we can concentrate on working with and dealing with the people we’ve got, because you can’t deal with people who aren’t even here yet but they are coming to unsettle whatever social arrangements we make with who is here.

    The way the demographics look at the moment you should spend less time telling us we have to be understanding and incorporate them and more time telling them they have to be understanding and incorporate us.

    • Replies: @Joe Stalin
  158. @Bardon Kaldian

    Norah’s father is Ravi Shankar, the sitar player who played with the Beatles in a few cuts. He was Bengali.

  159. @Bardon Kaldian

    dividing “almost whites” into assimilable & unassimilable groups

    Genetic science did not exist when Americans were defined as “free whites of good character” in the 1790 Naturalization Act. Yet there was still clearly a definition of ‘white’. What do you think “white” meant in 1790? Because that should be the parameter for assimilable vs unassimilable immigrants. IMO it’s if you look and act white you are good to go because there will be a minimal chance of DIVision, of a DIVorcing of the underlying principal of UNITY in the UNITED States of America, no DIVersity causing conflict.

    Whites/Caucasians should try to assimilate smaller groups of marginally white people

    No, whites really shouldn’t be looking for groups based on how marginally white they are at all. What they should be looking for is people who are a boon to their civilization both intellectually and culturally. HIGH IQ labor from all the best corners of the world. Not the literal exact opposite. Whites breed plenty of their own average labor force when conditions in our civilization are not so oppressive and miserable for us that our birthrates plummet as they have in the last half a century under multiculturalism/globalism/cultural marxism. Whatever you want to call it.

    To flood your civilization with peasants in the age of robots is not just asinine, it’s suicidal.

    Of course that most Hispanics are Mestizos, but they come in all shades. Their ethnic swamping should be stopped, but with endless racialist rambling about IQ, obsession with genetic lineage etc.

    There is very little obsession with genetic lineage that I have seen among whites. Some Neo-Nazi types, but 99% of their ranks are undercover Feds. What’s the point in America? Even as whites, the nation was founded as a PAN-EUROPEAN haven from the problems of old Europe. The USA was founded for whites in general, not any one ethnicity of them. Southern and Eastern Europe are arguably not even all that white themselves at this point.
    Among Hispanic/Mestizo/Latino populations, however, there is quite a rampant obsession with their supposed genetic claim to everything from North America to Spain. Practically half of La Raza thinks it’s Europeans because it’s got some Spaniard in it. I mean it’s in the name. “La Raza”. Do I need to translate that for you? You know how many cars with Latinos I see with those La Raza stickers on their window here in CA?
    And yet here you are prattling on about whites and their obsession with race because they are thinking twice about diversity after 50+ years of watching latinos not immigrate but full on colonize the American South West, and with openly declared hostile intent.

    - the future doesn’t look bright. Extremism leads to failure.

    If you’re talking about the Reconquista, you’re right. It won’t end well, lol.
    For whites, I’d say the future is getting brighter every day now that formal resistance to the genocide of whites by demographic replacement is beginning to mount on both national and international levels in both in NA and Europe.
    Try to remember that ethnic nationalism is what built the first world. This Orwellian belief of yours that diversity is, has ever been, or ever will be a strength, is precisely what has dragged the first world to the edge of the abyss since the mid 20th century.
    I get it. You don’t like that the world isn’t fare. You don’t like that equality is ideology, rather than the reality you’d prefer it to be. But try to remember what the road to hell is paved with.
    And stop treating whites like they are racists for no longer wanting to mindlessly indulge in pathological altruism after non-whites used that altruistic intention as an excuse to loot their civilization like pirates on a burning ship. The hand that feeds is full of bite marks at this point. Neither you nor Nora Jones have any right to bitch about what comes next.

    Latinos should have just assimilated instead of pursuing their reconquista delusions and it would have been a non-issue.

    • Replies: @Saxon
  160. Saxon says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Go read “The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise” if you think the moslem occupation of Hispania (modern day Spain and Portugal) was in any way beneficial. It wasn’t. Even the invaders in their own writings admitted that the works of the people they conquered were superior to their own as they destroyed cathedrals and the like. There was none of this fantasy equality between religions and peoples that Islamic propaganda of today claims, not even between men and women as they claim as the “wonderful” poems written were indeed written of the blonde sex slaves these animals craved and still do today.

    • Replies: @Alden
  161. Fred Reed Is On The Side Of The Foreign Invaders

    Fred Reed Is A Treasonous Baby Boomer

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
  162. Saxon says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Yes we should bend over and accept our extermination through hybridization. Brilliant.

  163. Oh and by the way…

    Rosa is freaking gorgeous but the problem is show us a picture of her mother. Once you knock her up she puts on 315lbs and they never come back off again.

  164. Sean says:

    My own experience suggests that assimilation can be accomplished. In these matters I may have more experience than most of the Alt-Right. I have lived in Mexico for sixteen years. My wife is Mexican, we speak Spanish in the home, and we have toured the country from one end to the other.

    Fred successfully assimilating to Mexican culture is all very interesting but what does it have to do with the proven fact (admitted even by the fanatically pro- immigration Ecomomist) that Mexicans assimilate negatively when they come to the US. They become progressively less educated less healthy and less law abiding with every generation. The 100% Hispanic children who have spent their entire lives in the US are worse that the ones who have not. Fred blames American political culture because he is an equalitatian racial theorist. And of course he thinks miscegenation has only cultural significance. Notice how much more attractive, how much less obese, the average Mexican girl in Mexico is? Fred did, obviously.

  165. AaronB says:
    @another fred

    Ha ha ha. I’ve lived in third world countries for many years, and visited many more.

    They are not paradise, but they are generally preferable to Anglo societies. If I could, I can think of half a dozen third world world countries I’d move to tomorrow.

    True, it can go too far in the direction of dysfunction and social breakdown, but the ones that are in the middle are great.

    • Replies: @another fred
  166. Saxon says:
    @hvlee

    Where the left is going, you can safely assume they will now demand you assimilate to them. This is already explicitly stated in places like large cities of Europe in papers in the Netherlands and other countries.

    You can expect these calls to include the promotion, pressuring, coercion and even forcing of miscegenation in time. You know, to “aid integration” and all. In fact, governments in Germany and Sweden are already brainwashing native young white girls to think it’s fashionable and better to be with non-white men and in Sweden you have cases of programs intended to put young girls in migrant camps, essentially the state prostituting out young girls to invader men.

    This is an organized program of genocide.

  167. Iberiano says:

    As a White Hispanic myself, who speaks the language and lives around many Mexicans here in Mexifornia, you have to understand that like everything–there are gradients. There are many legit brown-skinned Latinos that absolutely HATE Whites (whom they incorrectly refer to as “Anglos”, even if you are 100 percent Irish, Italian or Slav). However, most Latinos, and certainly the traditional understanding of “Hispanic” are basically white. Maybe not as smart as Germans or Anglo-Saxons, or Dutch, but basically your average American-they like NASCAR, American football, comic books, Star Trek, the Beatles, and serve in the military at VERY HIGH numbers. Also, Latinas prefer white men (big time) and it’s likely that most Latino/Hispanics will CONTINUE to mate with, particularly, White Men (Vs. White Women).

    Will this country look like the country of old? No. Will it be like Brazil? Not likely. Almost ZERO White men would turn down, fail to bed, or have children with Salma Hayek, despite her being Mexican and Arab (and essentially “White”), nor Spanish (Moor/Mix) Penelope Cruz…and their children would be WHITE, moreso than probably Sicilians. Fred’s just being realistic.

  168. Saxon says:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    Your username is ironic because real American values circa 1776 (and 1790; go read the immigration act) DO include caring about your genetic lineage. The founding fathers would be aghast at miscegenation. Yet you virtue signal and tell us we are some kind of demons if we object to this genocide through hybridization. Peak cuckservative.

    • Replies: @Alden
  169. nickels says:

    False categories set out in the article.

    No one is against immigration. They are against illegal invasion.

    And considering the invaders have 2/3 of the western hemisphere under countries of their own ethnic rule, there is zero need to accommodate them in any great numbers in the US.

    • Replies: @Charles Pewitt
  170. Saxon says:
    @Anonymous

    The general outmarriage rate among whites is 10%. The illegitimacy rate is probably about 30%. So it’s hard to say. Probably 13%. Seeing as the births by race is only counting the mother and not noting actual the race of the baby, it’s safe to say that not all of the alleged white births are actually white.

    This is a dirty little trick played in Britain, as well. Only the mother’s race is noted. Obviously this is intentional to hide what is going on and how quickly we are being bred out by engineered lowered birth rates and pressured miscegenation.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Anonymous
  171. Rurik says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    it’s the picture of a young woman murdered by a Mexican immigrant and career criminal who had been deported from this country five times already, and used a stolen gun to kill her

    she died in her father’s arm, “help me, dad”, were the last word she would speak

    it isn’t just that the scumbag was here, and that the sanctuary city of San Francisco defied a federal detainer on the POS and let him walk, thereby facilitating the murder of the woman in the photo, but due to the attempt of evil Republican white supremacists to use the case to support a bill making it a crime for career criminals to keep breaking into the country illegally, the liberals and Fred’s fellow travelers in the media took up the murders case (obviously because he was a Mexican and therefor a first class citizen, and who only shot to death a Nazi baby maker), they figured they’d do all they could for him, and so he was subsequently allowed to walk on all charges, (but has since been detained by the Nazi, white supremacist Trump White House with federal charges).

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-california-shooting-kass-1203-story.html

    if we lived in a sane world, he would never have been in the country. But due to the morass of evil that has poisoned the Western world with guilt for being white (and therefor racist), that young women wasn’t just callously murdered, but her killer is considered a champion of the progressive left and immigration advocates. (you know, Fred and his cohorts)

    but American citizens are slaughtered all the time by Mexican and other legal and illegal immigrants, it’s just that because she was a pretty young women that she got some press.

    this just in today

    http://longisland.news12.com/story/37246340/prosecutors-man-with-suspected-ties-to-ms-13-charged-in-murder-of-teen

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4279934/MS-13-s-legacy-murder-rape-control-exposed.html

    now, if you were to ask Fred.. ‘Fred, should America deport young men back to El Salvador simply for being members of a gang, even tho they never hurt no body? What would that do to the economy of El Salvador, where violence is already endemic? What would that do to the families of these young men, many who have children and jobs and are productive members of society. They pay their taxes and are a net boon to the economy. They pick the tomatoes and do the jobs racist white supremacists don’t want to do!

    Do the white supremacists in the ZUSA want to starve?! Well they’re going to, unless they stop their racist handwringing over a few meaningless murders. Sure, some Nazi baby maker gets knocked off before she can make any Nazi babies, but is that anything to cry over?! I mean come on, haven’t the white people of ZUSA done Latin Americans enough harm already?! Didn’t whitey steal Mexican land?!!

    These alt-right types need to get a clue. The immigrants are here to stay, and it’s a good thing too!

    and anyone who’s whining about it, like the father of that woman in the picture, need to check their white privilege!

    Tell em Fred!

  172. DooWop says: • Website

    Firstly Fred, if you truly want to win us to your cause, rather than post a wholesome girl next door photo of a Mexican muchacha, you should post one that will really win both of our heads. May I suggest Mexican Raquel Pomplun, the 2013 Playboy Playmate of the year?

    I’ve read about 30 or so of your stories about Mexico and Latin America. I decided to reply to this one for no particular reason. May I take you back to the days of Ike, JFK, Elvis, Marilyn Monroe, and Mickey Mantle? You know, the golden days of Americana before the Civil Rights act, when racism and discrimination against Blacks was real. Tito Puente, Desi Arnez, and Perez Prado were popular band leaders. The Marty Robbins ballad “El Paso” reached number one in the Fall of 1959 and stayed there for most of the Winter of 1960. That’s the song with the lyrics, “Out in the West Texas town of El Paso, I fell in love with a Mexican girl.” Ricky Nelson’s number one hit “Travelin’ Man” includes a romance with a cute Signorita down in Mexico. Everybody loved Ricky and Lucy and everybody cried when Maria’s lover Tony died. My point is that back when American culture was Christian and European, Hispanics who wanted to become Americans were accepted and embraced. That is not to say that Hispanics never encountered problems. So did many European ethnic immigrants. Nevertheless, I think you see my point from cultural references.

    The Alt Right? I get your use of a Hillary Clinton term. In actuality, the Alt Right such as the KKK, Skin Heads, and American Nazi party have been shamed into obscurity. They have no money, no members, and no power. Yet one place where the Alt Right thrives is the American prison system. Would it warm your heart Fred if I told you that the Aryan Brotherhood and Mexican Mafia prison gangs have settled their differences and have united against the Blacks?

    The problem as I see it is the Left’s use of Identity Politics to gain power. Catering to grievances and group anger has guarenteed them a solid block of voters. Further giving them free shit and other welfare handouts reinforces their dependancy. The Left wants as many illegal and legal immigrants as possible who don’t understand a Republic based on law and contitutional rights and liberty. They would rather exploit tax plundered goodies to manipulate and gain more votes and power. You even stated that the social welfare programs were bribes to Blacks to not burn down our cities. Perhaps removing that bribe from Hispanics will make many of them want to embrace a traditional American culture that wants to embrace them? How about removing Hispanic from the affrimative action and quotas? Would that not serve as an incentive for Hispanics to either embrace traditional American culture replete with constitutional liberties and free market economics or motivate others to return to their native countries? and free market economics or motivate others to return to their native countries?

  173. @Astuteobservor II

    It tells everyone here that you’re not very informed. That is a photo of Kate Steinle. You know, the young woman who was shot dead by an illegal alien who had previously been deported 6 times and then was found not guilty of murder?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  174. TWS says:

    I am willing, nay I insist on assimilating the American citizens. If they will not assimilate they can go back. The illegals have to go back.

  175. TWS says:
    @Rurik

    Good call. They’re always either too small a number to be a problem or too large a number to deport. Nothing in between. Now no matter the numbers or the effect on the citizens of America we have to keep importing.

    As someone who knows several people killed by illegal aliens I’ll pass on more. I’ll pass on any deals that include keeping the ones we already have. I’ll just plain pass.

  176. @nickels

    No one is against immigration. They are against illegal invasion.

    Plenty of people in European Christian nations would support stopping all future immigration into their countries. Legal immigration and illegal immigration are equally harmful to European Christian nations.

    I bet that if you worded an opinion survey on an immigration moratorium in a properly even-handed manner you would get around 60 percent of Whites in the United States to support a halt to all immigration, legal and illegal.

    • Replies: @nickels
  177. Fred,

    No wonder you’re intimidated:

    “Five Severed Heads Left on Hood of Taxi, Mexico News Daily…
    2017 was Mexico’s most violent year on record”:

    — (https://www.amren.com/news/2018/01/five-severed-heads-left-hood-taxi/ ]

    (Mexico News Daily, January 6, 2018)

  178. SMK says: • Website
    @eah

    Visit the sex offender registry of any state or national registries and marvel at all the pure Amerindians, Mestizos, blacks, mulattoes, zambos, a mixture of African and Amerindian, defined as “white.” I suggest one read the article at Vdare.com entitled “Hispanic Sex Offenders Listed as White in Wisconsin. Why?” “Hispanics” of all races are listed as “white” when they commit crimes, sexual and non-sexual, significantly inflating the crime rates of whites while reducing those of nonwhite “Hispanics,” Amerindian and African. Yet “Hispanics” who are victims of crime are defined as nonwhite. Thus, most absurdly, if a black with a Spanish surname murders an “African-American with an English surnames, it’s classified as a white-on-black homicide.

  179. @Astuteobservor II

    Speaking for myself -

    not even close.

  180. 3g4me says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    @9 Jonathan Mason: “The best way to assimilate Latins is to catch them young, force feed them processed foods high in sugar and fat, and teach them that the flag is more important than family and that Latin is a dead language.”

    Go make aliyah, (((fellow White man))).

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  181. @AaronB

    I’ve got 21 countries on my passports and worked for several months in a few Latin American countries. I know whereof I speak.

    Their countries are dominated by elites and “vibrant” lower classes struggling along, which is what all your immigrants are turning this country into. Life is not a cafeteria, the “cold” Anglo culture (actually it is based on all of NW Europe) is what built a country with the rule of law, a middle class, and opportunities for a person to do well on their own efforts.

    If I could, I can think of half a dozen third world world countries I’d move to tomorrow.

    Be honest, do you want to go live with the masses or with the elites. I’m sure you could go tomorrow if you were willing to live with the lower classes full time instead of sampling that life like an exotic dish.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  182. If the legitimate, widely supported, and highly worthy efforts to ship all blacks back to Africa never got off the ground, why would anyone be stupid enough to entertain the idea of deporting Hispanics, who as a group are an admirable people any sane nation would welcome with open arms? But lo, the US today is far from being a sane nation and getting worse by the hour.

  183. @Saxon

    The general outmarriage rate among whites is 10%. The illegitimacy rate is probably about 30%. So it’s hard to say. Probably 13%. Seeing as the births by race is only counting the mother and not noting actual the race of the baby, it’s safe to say that not all of the alleged white births are actually white.

    These figures are wrong.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/01/29/us/20110130mixedrace.html

    The table from 2011. shows that 94.7% of WM & 95.6% of WF are in mono-racial marriages. Add white Hispanics & this is ca. 97%.

    I don’t have, now, the stats for non-white father/white mother births, but I recall that they were ca. 2-3% in complete birth contingent of white mothers. Sorry, I lost this link where one could make a table, maybe I can find it, I don’t know. It was US vital statistics site & you could log in easily.

    • Replies: @Saxon
  184. @MikeatMikedotMike

    you mean I am suppose to know every girl murdered at a glance, by an illegal immigrant no less!!! not even convicted???

    how dare I comment on here without that vast knowledge!!!

    • Replies: @TWS
  185. @Rurik

    well damn, now that is fucked up. how was he allowed to stay when he was already marked for deportation 5 times prior?

    but this doesn’t have anything to do with fred’s point though. he is asking, what are we going to do about the good citizens of hispanic descent? they are like 17% of us population and growing. they aren’t like the criminal you linked. they are law abiding citizens like you and me.

    now what?

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @TWS
  186. AaronB says:
    @another fred

    I would want to live a simple middle class lifestyle, I have zero desire to live like an elite in those countries or in this one. I’ve done that in both, and its hollow.

    True, I wouldn’t want to live lower class either, but it I had to, it’s much more warm and fun to do so in non Anglo cultures. Lower class life in cold efficient Anglo countries is hell.

    The life of a tuk tuk driver in Asia is easy, and full of interest and color, while the life of a McDonald’s worker in some rust belt town is lonely and alienating.

    I was in Leh, India two summers ago, and there was a group of cheerful beggar girls wandering about the tourist cafes. I tell you, I envied them. They were playful and always in a good mood having fun. The burden of the world fell lightly on them. Naturally, my perspective was not appreciated by the other European tourists, who thought I was a cruel monster. Only an English Buddhist I was friends saw it from my point of view.

    I don’t share the values of modern civilization. That’s the problem. I am an archaic specimen, a relic from another era. It gets me into no end of trouble.

    Trust me, as soon as I can, I am out of here, making my great escape.

  187. @EliteCommInc.

    You’re right.

    If Trump had any balls he would have sent the National Guard into San Francisco or Seattle and jailed every local official who, under the rubric “sanctuary city”, defied Federal immigration laws.

    Eisenhower did it. Johnson did it. And history hails them as heroes.

    Trump too had a chance to go down in history as a great, brave president if only he had courageously stood up to the rainbow coalition of slogan-brained lemmings.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  188. Vinteuil says:

    If only alt-righters stopped saying mean things about Mexicans, Hispanics would start voting Republican.

    If only somebody had thought of this before!

    It’s genius, I tell you – GENIUS!

    • LOL: TWS
  189. @KenH

    Neither do Russian and east European women while still in their native countries. Nor did the average White American female prior to the introduction of highly processed, sugar laden, mass-produced food with near zero nutritional value. In my judge men the near-absence of boner material is related primarily to diet not genetics.

  190. Wally says:
    @Sunbeam

    Trump tells it like it is !! Boom! Leftist heads explode.

    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”
    He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met yesterday.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/11/trump-stomps-durbin-gardner-amnesty-plus-proposal/

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  191. 1Fury2Alpha says: • Website

    The pretense of this is ridiculous. As an invading, hostile nation, the Mexicans have to go back, or they will copy the Levantine Arabs in the States. By the millions.

    1. Culture.Grew up 18 years in Southern California in half-Anglo, half-Mexican town. But. We always hired Guatemalans. They took better care of the land, respected the women in my family better, and always washed their hands after work or before eating. Mexican work crews also had an absolute arrogance, acted like it my land was theirs, and desertified sections after years of work! Know your culture, mihombre!

    2. Violence. Never went to Mexico because the violence south of the border was absolutely grotesque. I deployed to Iraq though. Shi’a militia group behavior in torture & abduction is very similar to the cartels–> what do you think drove the rise of Daesh in the Sunni communities? Better to have your own barbarians rule you.

    3. False Dichotomy. Also, just like the Arabs (Shi’i & Sunni), their own women encourage them to masculine shows of force. To the violence. I’ve seen the same dynamic at my local high school (sexy dressing Latinas questioning their lad’s masculinity to see a fight) as I did on the Temple Mount (where Arab women ululate to egg on the men to attack the Israeli Jews) They all must go back.

    4. Diversity. Mexican don’t tolerate diversity. In my area, saw them first target the Native American gangs. Then the African-American gangs. Then the white gangs. They tolerate *nothing* in their wake.

    If you want the America you advocate, go to Compton. See it for yourself. The Mexicans themselves DO NOT tolerate the diversity Anglos ensure. Because we are a dumping ground for people Mexico doesn’t want, our cities won’t be Buenos Aires or Santiago. We’ll be lucky to have something slightly better than Mexico City.

  192. @Da Wei

    “The ones I’ve found here don’t want to work, not like the Mexicans work,”

    I’ve heard and observed it a thousand times and it’s true. I’ve never seen or heard of anyone using Mexican labor expressing any desire to revert back to White or Black labor.

  193. @AaronB

    You are welcome to your choice of life and lifestyle, most of it I agree with. BUT when you say…

    “I would much rather we become much poorer and less efficient and less powerful nation but come closer to the Good Life, be warm happy and cheerful people who enjoy ourselves rather than work to death and don’t take life and the world very seriously at all, because the world is rather a joke….

    So basically I think this country needs a tremendous dose of Latin culture – sure, we’ll become less wealthy, less powerful, even more dysfunctional, but that’s fantastic. Too much functionality kills the spirit.”

    You are transforming yourself from a soi-disant lover of life into a meddling do-gooder.

    You say you get yourself in trouble. I would suggest it is not because of what you want for yourself, but because of what you think you are smart enough to prescribe for others. Trust me, you are not that smart.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  194. gett says:

    Operation Wetback

  195. AaronB says:
    @another fred

    I don’t prescribe for others, but I can express my opinion on what I think are positive or negative developments . And I can present my reasons for thinking so and my entire philosophy of life. If others are unpersuaded, I would never dream of coercing them. Similarly, if others wish to enlist my support, I have the right to withhold it based on the above considerations.

    But in the end, the ultimate outcome will be the result of all our collective decisions. I know what direction id like America to take. But others are free to disagree.

    • Replies: @another fred
    , @Alden
  196. @Biff

    In the segregated South where I grew to adulthood, it was called “the quarter”. A place where few white people ventured from Saturday noon ’til early Monday morning.

  197. Druid says:

    This is the particle of this idiot that I read, and I only read the first two paragraphs

  198. @AaronB

    I don’t prescribe for others…

    Bullshit.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  199. Rurik says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    now that is fucked up. how was he allowed to stay when he was already marked for deportation 5 times prior?

    and why was he allowed to walk from state charges after he murdered a women?

    answer.. because he’s a Mexican

    but this doesn’t have anything to do with fred’s point though

    yes it does, because right now there is a debate on the future of the Western world in general, and the ZUSA in particular, and the right of white societies to maintain their identity, racist and evil and Nazi tho they all may be

    so this conversation could not be more immediate and salient to the future of white folks everywhere, and what kind of life it’s going to be for the white minority, when we already treat non-whites as special and above criticism and even above the laws of the land. So long as they’re non-whites = first class citizens (even if they’re here illegally)

    they are law abiding citizens like you and me.

    no they’re not

    at least they’re not if you happen to be a white man, because if so, then they enjoy codified privileges that white men are not entitled to. In case you haven’t noticed, there’s something called Affirmative Action in this country that makes it legal to discriminate against white men in every single way. From jobs to promotions to university admission. And beyond. And that means that if you’re a Mexican, that you get preferential treatment when seeking contracts for work with the local municipality, or the state, or the university or the school district you pay taxes to.

    Do you understand that?

    Do you have any kind of comprehension of the kind of self-loathing worm that would not only allow his children to be officially discriminated against in his/their own country, that his for-fathers (who were a thousand times the men these maggots are) built, but that he’d also advocate for massive immigration of more and more and millions more of these first class citizens to come in and fuck over his own children who happened to have been born with white skin. Even to the point where if they but bullet holes in his daughter, he’ll just stand by and say, well she was white after all. I guess she had it coming.

    Lets play pretend, and assume that the insanity of affirmative action was over, and that we weren’t talking about legalizing illegals that are all ready here, with the obvious intention that millions and millions more would come.

    Let’s play pretend and play like what this conversation is about is assimilating the Hispanics and everyone else that’s already here, with zero intention to further alter the demographic make up of this continent to guarantee a stake though the heart of white society, which every single honest person knows is the end game agenda. Duh.

    So in pretend land, were the discussion is how to treat Hispanic Americans… the obvious answer is ‘like everybody else. Duh.

    why would it be any different?!

    why would we handwringing about Hispanic Americans anymore than black or yellow or purple Americans.

    in a sane world we would all be treated the same. Equal protection under the fourteenth amendment and so on.

    but we don’t live in a sane world. We live in a world where criminals of Mexican descent are allowed to go free after murdering American women because they’re Mexicans, and their victim was white.

    we live in a world were millions upon millions of non-whites are invading (at the white middle class tax payer’s expense) every last bastion of white society in an obvious and determined effort to destroy white society once and for all.

    duh

    so your question is academic, and rather pointless.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Astuteobservor II
  200. MBlanc46 says:

    It’s not a matter of turning them into another dysfunctional, hostile racial minority. They are a another dysfunctional, hostile racial minority. If there’s nothing that we can do about them, and there probably isn’t, then they will be a major player in the destruction of Western civilization in North Ametica.

  201. AaronB says:
    @another fred

    What would you have me do? Do I not have a right to express my opinion on what I think are positive or negative developments for this country? Are only your opinions valid?

    Must I support causes I think will make us less happy?

    Should I shut up and let only you express your opinion?

    • Replies: @another fred
  202. “If the Alt-Right can make another seventeen percent into internal enemies”

    WTF are you talking about Fred? WTF is going on in the fucking world? All I hear all day every mother fucking day is the evilness of white people and white men in particular.

    If anyone is making anyone internal enemies it’s the left making an enemy of white men.

    what the fuck is going on?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  203. Truth says:

    Hey I figured out why Fred likes Mexico so much. His Mexico is a little…different…than most of the rest. Here’s video of Fred and his wife having a drink afterwork when someone give him a microphone.

  204. @Achmed E. Newman

    But to my understanding, although they were among the first immigrants in large numbers, Chinese are the least assimilated of all American minorities, maintaining authentic China Towns in several major US cities. But due primarily to maintaining a relatively low profile. coupled with admirable manners (particularly as opposed to blacks) few people take notice and even fewer care one way or another.

  205. nickels says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    Yes, agreed.

    I’m just pointing out that Fred’s article creates the false equivalency between immigrants and worthless thugs who are invading.

  206. MBlanc46 says:
    @Flavius

    I believe that you are overly optimistic. If your policies were enacted, Mexicans woukd continue to be Mexicans. They don’t come here to become Americans, they come here to exploit the nation that our ancestors built. When there are enough of them, that nation will become Mexico.

  207. Rurik says:
    @interesting

    what the fuck is going on?

    this is what’s going on

    but they’d get nowhere fast were it not for legions of venal whores willing to suck their shekels to shill their lies

  208. @Joseph Doaks

    If anyone ever figures out what the Alt-Right is or what it means, let me know since I might be one and don’t know it.

    • Replies: @voim
  209. MBlanc46 says:
    @AaronB

    Hate? What hate? It’s not hate to think that Mexicans should stay in Mecico and that Americans should stay in America.

  210. @Wally

    So, in reality you and I as American taxpayers footed the bill so Walmart could give their employees bonuses and long over-due pay raises, resulting in accolades for the billionaire owners who contributed nothing.

  211. voim says:
    @Corvinus

    Obvious Strawman, as if only racially conscious whites would cause the US to collapse.
    It’ll be your new americans that will do most of the work for us.
    And no, I’m not going to pick up a gun and start dylan roofing people.

  212. Ron Unz says:
    @Rurik

    but American citizens are slaughtered all the time by Mexican and other legal and illegal immigrants, it’s just that because she was a pretty young women that she got some press.

    Actually, I very much doubt that…

    There are supposedly something like 11M illegal immigrants in America, but I’d guess that the likelihood of an ordinary middle class white American being murdered by one of them in a given year is considerably below the likelihood of being killed by lightning (I’m excluding e.g. husbands killing wives, and wives, husbands).

    In the very high-profile Steinle case, a disoriented homeless guy who happened to be illegal was carelessly playing with a gun he’d found in the trash, and it went off, with the bullet ricocheting off the pavement near his feet, and striking that poor women standing about a hundred yards away. Not exactly your typical street-crime killing. Actually, pretty similar to being hit by lightning…

    One of the reasons it got so much attention is that the situation was so *incredibly* rare. Basically it’s not too different from the Emmett Till story, which the MSM has been citing for 60 years as proof of the massive annual volume of blacks brutally lynched by whites.

    I’ll bet that if FoxNews and Breitbart made a real effort, within six months the horrific dangers that lightning strikes pose to American whites would be front and center on the rightwing agenda…

    • Agree: Carroll Price
    • Replies: @eah
  213. I’ve been reading Unz for quite a while and it’s starting to look like the NY Times and Washington Post. It continually publishes only a handful of people over and over again. Some of them like Fred say the same thing in just about every article. I can’t believe that other people (and I’ve read this on various forums; hints that this is true) who have better articles aren’t being published here because of these so called regulars.

    Fred brings the same bullshit to just about every piece. Is he working for the fucking Mexican government or what? Ron needs to make a decision about this stuff because the site is becoming stale and limited intellectually as far as I’m concerned. I hope Fred isn’t getting paid for this stuff because he’s written one essay and changes a few lines and publishes the same thing over and over again.

    • Replies: @Rex Dickerson
  214. @anononomy

    In it’s truest sense, assimilation refers to various sub-groups being absorbed into the general population through intermarriage, to the point they become virtually one in culture and habits, including religion. Although most Americans fail to recognize it, Jews are an unassimilated minority due to their refusal to intermarry with non-Jews and adopt non-Jewish ways.

  215. WJ says:

    Forget Kate Steinle. Between 2011 and 2016, 21 percent of the criminals were non-citizens, legality unknown. If they hadn’t been allowed in those crimes would not have been committed.

  216. @Wally

    They get less hours now. Its all equal or less in the end

  217. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Da Wei

    Hmm. Odd how, in most of the US (outside of CA I suppose). we’ve gotten things done just fine for most of American history primarily using supposedly “inferior” native-born non-Hispanic labor, carving a modern, industrialized country with relatively high living standards out of wilderness. Methinks that the real reason so many American employers these days prefer Hispanic labor is that they’re willing to work hard for considerably lower compensation, while those pesky native whites & blacks tend to demand halfway decent living wages (the nerve of them!)

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  218. Rurik says:

    I’d guess that the likelihood of an ordinary middle class white American being murdered by one of them in a given year is considerably below the likelihood of being killed by lightning

    this from a ten second web search, from an admittedly right-leaning website:

    Though no federal statistics are kept on murders or any other crimes committed by illegal aliens, a number of groups have produced estimates based on data collected from prisons, news reports and independent research.

    Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That’s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

    But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

    While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That’s 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.

    http://www.wnd.com/2006/11/39031/

    more

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2013/08/26/mainstream-media-ignore-americans-killed-by-illegal-alien-dreamers/

    more

    http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/15/121-murders-attributed-illegal-immigrants-released/

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/30/dad-turns-grief-from-sons-death-into-quest-to-tabulate-toll-illegal-drivers.html

    Perhaps these are all lies and disinformation, but some of it comports to what I’ve glimmered over the years, and certainly what I’ve glimmered is that our media always spikes the reporting of crimes by minorities against while victims while simultaneously thunderously reporting on any crime (or non-crime) that might be construed as a white alleged perpetrator against a federally protected first class citizen minority.

    Surely you’ve seen this trend, we all have.

    But perhaps you’re right, and it’s all simply hype and hyperbole (lies).

    In the very high-profile Steinle case, a disoriented homeless guy who happened to be illegal was carelessly playing with a gun he’d found in the trash, and it went off, with the bullet ricocheting off the pavement near his feet, and striking that poor women standing about a hundred yards away.

    with all due respect Mr. Unz, that sounds to me like the defense argument in the case, as opposed to what an objective observer might have seen. I’m not saying I know what happened, but from what I’ve read, at fist he stated that he was shooting at sea lions, and then it changed and he stated that he didn’t know what the gun was. I doubt he intended to murder the woman, as I’ve looked a little deeper into it at your prompting, but it does seem to me to be a clear case of manslaughter, at the very least.

    And why was a loaded gun in a waste basket? That doesn’t seem likely, it seems to me more likely he got the gun through some other means, and for whatever reason shot it in a populated area.

    IDK, but again, it seems to me the verdict was political, because right now there is a debate raging over this issue.

    Headlines from Drudge as I write this.

    IMMIGRATION S-STORM
    TRUMP BALKS AT IMMIGRATION DEAL…
    GANG OF 6 Claimed Compromise…
    CNN: PRESIDENT RACIST…
    VINCENTE FOX FURY…
    DEM WHIP: PELOSI ‘WHITE GUYS’ REMARKS OFFENSIVE…
    Who’ll Blink On Wall?
    Stephen Miller draws line…
    17 with suspected MS-13 ties indicted…
    UN pushes countries to open up migration…

    One of the reasons it got so much attention is that the situation was so *incredibly* rare

    perhaps, but I suspect it’s because of the raw passions on each side of this existential debate. The guy had been deported five times already, the Feds had asked that he be detained, and the uber-liberal ‘sanctuary city’ San Francisco had defied federal authority and let him go. Had they not, she would still be alive today. I suspect that those are the criteria that made the story so sensational.

    I’ll bet that if FoxNews and Breitbart made a real effort, within six months the horrific dangers that lightning strikes pose to American whites would be front and center on the rightwing agenda…

    now you’re just being facetious, I’m guessing

    this isn’t about one women. Or a few deaths here and there. This is about the right of a people to demand self-determination against the global forces in the world demanding that white nations are not entitled to self-determination, because presumably the ‘racist’ and colonial crimes of their past – that mark them as a flawed and dangerous (evil in fact) people, who must be yes, replaced. And it’s not just the ZUSA either, but this is very issue is tearing away at he fabric of Germany and Sweden and France and Austria and many, many other societies and nations.

    This is something you must be aware of, and right now, it’s simply coming to a head.

    I respect yours or anyone’s opinions if they simply say white men or societies don’t deserve equal protection or to maintain their identity – for whatever reason you may have, but I do consider it disingenuous when people pretend that massive immigration into Europe and N. America is only something that ‘white supremacists’ (whatever that means) and neo-Nazis are worried about.

    I hope that’s not too far beyond the pale.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Alden
  219. @Rurik

    so your entire comment centers on affirmative action. unfair treatment of whites. as it is a reverse racism against the whites. which I completely agrees with. I hate it with passion. it is discrimination against all who doesn’t benefit.

    fight it then. I am also behind you in that regard. it is why I wish every college admission become something like caltech. but then asians will dominate. you ok with that?

    your talk of white identity, racists and nazis included, I may not agree with it but I understand the fear, the fear of losing your place in the world.

    about attacks on “white society”, it is just macroeconomics. more people = bigger economy.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  220. @Anonymous

    but some of those businesses would all close without those considerably lower compensated workers. that was his point.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Da Wei
  221. @Wally

    I love Trump. It is the Democrats under the Globalist Zionist foll control who are playing dirty. and they are destroying America.

  222. Ron Unz says:
    @Rurik

    Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. That’s 21,900 since Sept. 11, 2001.

    Ha, ha, ha…

    I’d be very, VERY interested in knowing where those figures come from. You shouldn’t simply believe everything you find on the Internet.

    But let’s suppose that there are 11M illegals, or roughly 3% of the American population. I think there are about 15,000 homicides per year, mostly husbands killing wives or that sort of thing. So if illegals were just average, you’d expect them to murder about 500 people per year, or maybe 1.5 per day. But all the studies I’ve seen indicate they have a homicide rate *considerably* below the national average, so the true figure is probably well under 1 per day, and very little of it involves strangers as victims. So that nutjob King is very likely off by well over an order-of-magnitude.

    Here’s a question for you. If illegal Hispanics were actually murdering even just a couple of dozen whites per year, why don’t VDare and similar webzines ever report those cases? Is every rightwing anti-immigration website in America part of a dastardly cover-up of vicious Hispanic killers.

    Just go to the VDare website and spend an hour trying to find the names of middle-class whites murdered by illegals anytime during the last *decade.* Except for that poor Steinle woman, I wonder how many you’ll manage to locate.

    The whole thing is just a total rightwing hoax, balancing out all the leftwing hoaxes on other matters:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

  223. eah says:

    Actually since he’s an apologist for the demographic destruction of America, Fred is a ‘dubious American’.

  224. wayfarer says:

    California – America’s “Sanctuary State!

    SB-54 Law Enforcement: Sharing Data
    source: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201720180SB54

    MS-13 (Mara Salvatrucha):
    International Criminal Gang that Originated in Los Angeles, California.
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13

    MS-13′s Active Members Are Laughing at America’s Crackdown

    Los Angeles Police Department’s Most Wanted
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    Los Angeles Police Department’s 10 Most Wanted
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/top_ten_most_wanted

    …..

  225. eah says:
    @Ron Unz

    Just go to the VDare website

    Why should such a search be limited to the “Vdare website”?

    Ha, ha, ha…

    The demographic destruction of America via massive non-white immigration, the largest part of that Hispanics, many of them illegal, which Whites never chose or wanted, and are constantly being guilt-tripped and name-called into accepting, is not a “hoax” — and that’s what this thread is about.

    This web site is great and I genuinely appreciate it and the work you personally do on it — but oftentimes in the comments you can be a real asshole.

  226. In existence of living species on this earth in every aspect are limits. The environment can support only so many species.
    It is a critical mass. Going above that critical mass is detrimental and has negative consequences.
    Concerning the emigration there is also critical mass.
    We can argue if Mexicans are good or bad that is also beneficial.
    But what is more important, it is how many Mexican can come to US without doing harm to US society.
    I would say that critical mass of Mexican emigrants was already reached long time ago.

  227. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Yeah, but no real loss from my regional point of view. Where I live in the Midwestern US the only businesses that seem to be staffed mostly by low-paid immigrants appear to be shabby ethnic restaurants. Of course YMMV, depending on where in the country you live; it’s my understanding that quite a bit of business in CA and surrounding states have become dependent on low paid (often illegal) immigrant labor, which seems like a sad state of affairs to me. My point is that we shouldn’t use it as justification to continue such a foolish immigration policy as we’ve had for the past few decades.

  228. wayfarer says:

    Cocaine, Heroin, Cannabis, Ecstasy: How Big is the Global Drug Trade?
    source: https://www.globalresearch.ca/cocaine-heroin-cannabis-ecstasy-how-big-is-the-global-drug-trade/5381210

    LA Meth Crisis Escalates Alongside Opioid-Heroin Epidemic
    source: https://www.courthousenews.com/la-meth-crisis-escalates-alongside-opioid-heroin-epidemic/

    Millennials with Heroin Overdoses Flood California Emergency Rooms
    source: http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/02/05/millennials-with-heroin-overdoses-flood-california-emergency-rooms/

  229. eah says:
    @Ron Unz

    a disoriented homeless guy

    Is that all he was? — just “a disoriented homeless guy”? — is there nothing else worth mentioning about him or the circumstances that resulted in him being there on that day with a gun in his hand?

    See my earlier comment about being an asshole.

  230. @AaronB

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.” C.S. Lewis

    I would not “have you do” a thing.

    I find your unctuous do-gooder prescriptions offensive and I expressed that. You observe people expressing pain that their lives are in turmoil and you propose that they simply do not understand their lives according to your superior perspective and that what they really need is more of what is bothering them. That is cruel and the cruelty is made more offensive by your calm insistence that you mean well (check quote, above).

    FYI, I am an engineer and I have spent much of my career dealing with dynamic, chaotic systems that have a few recognizable variables, which interact in ways that are not linear, and can not be precisely controlled. I believe the same circumstances are a fairly good approximation of the history of civilization.

    In the systems I deal with changes must be made of one variable at a time, incrementally, and carefully evaluated before the next change is made. Changing more than one variable or making large changes in a non-linear variable almost always has a negative result. People who act this way are at best ignorant and careless, and most need to be kept away from the controls.

    I would propose to you that life and the history of civilization are the same. If you or anyone thinks they can solve these problems they had better have some guns behind them, and, I propose, be ready for some serious disappointment. You may complain that you have no gun, but in proposing wholesale “immigration” and discarding cultural norms as a solution you are making common cause with those who do. You should not expect people to like that.

    You mentioned a Buddhist above. I am not a Buddhist, but am familiar with Buddhism and its precepts, especially the First Truth. As with any historical and mythic person there are different versions of the Buddha’s “truth”. One version holds (in part) that the Buddha understood that the path to enlightenment was not for all and those who follow this version have a more reserved attitude to “changing the world”, others say, “Sentient beings are numberless, I vow to enlighten them all” without seeing the contradiction inherent. There is food for thought there.

    In closing, if you find part of what I have said insulting, that is not an accident, I find you offensive, but I did find in your post some thought worth engaging.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  231. @Ron Unz

    But let’s suppose that there are 11M illegals, or roughly 3% of the American population.

    LOL. Let’s assume a more accurate count, 110M illegals, or roughly 30% of residents, and something closer to 50% “fruit of the poisoned tree”, assuming a modest 3 “birthright” offspring per mating pair.

    Nowhere in Statistics-Land does the figure “11 million” properly derive from an estimated count of 11 million in 1980, with an acknowledged illegal influx in excess of 2 million per year since. That is, according to conservative, gubmint-sponsored figgers, of course.

    Yet, the gubmint official total has not varied since 1980 — 38 years ago. It is a laughable, contemptible deception, and every real American knows it is bullshit.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Biff
  232. @ThreeCranes

    No argument from me. since taking office he behaves as though he has forgotten who won the election and why.

    It is deeply disappointing.

  233. Ron Unz says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    LOL. Let’s assume a more accurate count, 110M illegals, or roughly 30% of residents, and something closer to 50% “fruit of the poisoned tree”, assuming a modest 3 “birthright” offspring per mating pair.

    Okay, have it your way. Suppose there are 110M illegals. Unless you can locate the names of at least a handful of ordinary whites they’ve murdered in the last decade, they must be the most law-abiding people in the world to have such infinitesimal crime rates given such a gigantic population base.

    Why don’t all you geniuses start browsing the web and tracking down the names of ordinary whites murdered by illegal Hispanic criminals. Then come back when you’ve found more than the number of ordinary whites killed by lightning bolts during the same period…

  234. Each of the following statements from Fred is an outright lie or exaggeration:

    “Yet from the organs of the Alt-Right–VDare, Breitbart News, and so on–comes a drumbeat to the effect that Latin-Americans are stupid, filthy, lazy, criminal, and parasitic. Mr. Trump, hostile to Mexico and Mexicans, has called them “rapists,” which resonates in Latin America much as Hillary’s “deplorables” speech did in Middle America.”

    Your hate is unending isn’t Fred?

  235. Lets put it this way! US still could be wastebasket for the world. But the wastebasket is now full, and garbage collector truck is nowhere

    • Replies: @another fred
  236. @niteranger

    I couldn’t agree more. I stopped reading Fred’s rants about a year ago. Every post is filled with loathing
    about America. Come on Ron. Dump this prick.

  237. Stealth says:

    Nowhere (with the exception perhaps of parts of Central America) have I seen the hellholes imagined–I might almost say “fervently desired”–by the Alt-Right.

    Let me preface this by saying that I do NOT think that all of Latin America is a hellhole, and that I’ve briefly been to both Lima and Buenos Aires.

    That being said, anyone who uses the street view feature of Google Maps can see that Fred’s statement is bullshit. Mexico is pretty shabby overall. Is every Mexican city a dump? Of course not, but most of them are. Take a look at Mexico City some time and ask yourself if you would you want to live there. I certainly wouldn’t.

    I’m the furthest thing in the world from a Mexican hater, but I still think it would be wise to restrict immigration, for a decade at least, to spouses of native-born US citizens. Immigration has had terrible effects on our society, and many of those effects have absolutely nothing to do with race or tribalism.

  238. wayfarer says:

    I live in south Yuma, Arizona. Twenty miles from Mexico.

    There’s no shortage of violent crime, brutal gangs, and destitute junkies strung out on heroin, cocaine, and meth.

    Its statistical crime rate in most categories, is above the U.S. national average.

    This wave is inevitably rolling north, into and across America.

    source; http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/arizona/yuma.html

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  239. @Ron Unz

    Okay, have it your way. Suppose there are 110M illegals. Unless you can locate the names of at least a handful of ordinary whites they’ve murdered in the last decade

    Easy there, big fella. I am not hyping the “bazillion whites killed by messicans” bullshit.

    Just pointing out that the “11 million” number has been made damn near as sacred as the original “6 million” number of the Holocaust faithful.

    There’s AT LEAST 110 million illegals here. That’s all I’m saying.

  240. syonredux says:
    @AaronB

    Borges liked the poetic side of Anglo culture, the side opposed to the dominant culture.

    Barring the Anglo enthusiasm for sports, Borges seemed to like just about everything about Anglo culture. He even extolled the heroism of the defenders of the Alamo……which is not exactly the normative position in Latin America….

    • Replies: @AaronB
  241. Biff says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    Is that you chief little beaver?

  242. wayfarer says:
    @wayfarer

    Yuma crime statistics report an overall upward trend in crime based on data from 12 years with violent crime increasing and property crime decreasing. Based on this trend, the crime rate in Yuma for 2018 is expected to be higher than in 2012.

    The city violent crime rate for Yuma in 2012 was higher than the national violent crime rate average by 37.4% and the city property crime rate in Yuma was higher than the national property crime rate average by 23.99%.

    In 2012 the city violent crime rate in Yuma was higher than the violent crime rate in Arizona by 23.93% and the city property crime rate in Yuma was higher than the property crime rate in Arizona but only by 0.17%.

    source: http://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/arizona/yuma.html

    There’s a fractious breed of Americans that live in Yuma, Arizona. And the gun control laws are among the least-restrictive in the United States.

    Take my word for it, these are two reasons why the crime rates aren’t higher, than they already are.

    source: http://statelaws.findlaw.com/arizona-law/arizona-gun-control-laws.html

  243. Saxon says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    The numbers I saw referred to new marriages, not all marriages. Meaning, going forward these are the people producing children. What would be nice but which the government won’t provide is merely a tabulation of the births based on the race of the child.

    There are also other interesting bits and bobs of data you can find such as stated preference on dating websites. They find some interesting data such as that white men and northeast asian women are the most “desired,” that white women have the highest same-group preference while northeast asian women are the only ones with an actual outgroup preference but all of these are subject to bias. For example would the asian women have this preference in their homelands? Probably not due to changed incentives and pressures. Would people in the real world, i.e. not a dating website where sex degenerates seeking a possible thrill or new experience might consider “dating” other races and thus falsely increase the confidence of miscegenation? In the world of serious relationships and producing children more people are pragmatic about not miscegenating for a variety of reasons.

    In any case it is difficult to acquire any real numbers on this and I don’t think it’s a mistake since it would be incredibly easy to gather this data.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  244. jlee says:

    to be fair, Reed does not cite how much of a multi-cultural paradise Mexico is…
    but he has in the past. Note how he uses “latin america” which includes “sh*th holes” such as Haiti, El Salvador (and Mexico) but also includes Argentina and Paraguay.

    btw, Mexico is such the multi-culture paradise that Reed picked up a Jewish (oops lightskinned?) girlfriend:

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2005/02/fred-reed/land-of-the-free-2/

    What exactly is Reeds concern? That America is not multi-racial enough or that he himself is not ethnicallty diverse? (Nice use of the light-skinned Mestizo girl at the header, Unz…)

    • Replies: @another fred
  245. Da Wei says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Ilyana_Rozumova,

    You did it again, 33 syllables of sunshine tell it all.

    Let me try to put it in 20: blank verse.

    The dollar fails and civil strife follows.
    The Mexicans will eagerly depart.

    Mui bien?

    PS, I’m still reading

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  246. antol says:

    ron unz please run for election this time for president

  247. Duncan says:

    Geez, the comments section is more informative than the article. This country really is reaching a breaking point.
    The diversity once confined to the country’s larger cities is spreading out. And people are exasperated. They don’t know what to do. I have two eyes in my head. I’ve watched the area I live in become “enriched.”
    God have mercy on our souls.

  248. Da Wei says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Astuteobservor ll,

    That was exactly my point, or at least a significant part of it. Thanks for seeing that.

    The other elements, which may not have been clearly expressed, are:

    1 Mexican immigrants often do work others don’t want to do;
    2 They are willing to accept training (e.g. cooking in an Italian restaurant and doing it well);
    3 They are less likely to look for the first opportunity to fake a back injury (SSI, I think it is);
    4 They will work. They show up. Period. A crew of Mexicans can roof a house in a day and it’s good.

    My point is not — as Anonymous may read — that I believe Mexicans are the only ones who will do this.
    I’ve seen them work in the fashion indicated above on jobs I, myself, have held, and I’m a Caucasian man. My point is that where their labor is available, it is effective and dependable and cheap.

    And in today’s economy, a small business may be able to remain open only with this kind of help. A small business is not a social service agency. They’re not open so the less efficient feel good about themselves.

    One last comment: On the abuse of illegal immigrant labor. I know we all complain that they come here illegally (as “illegals”) and take advantage of us, but let me tell you this story, one of many that could be told.

    Back before the 2008 (engineered) crash, I got a call from someone I know very well. This fellow was working as a framer for a large construction outfit putting up subdivision homes. The contractor had hired a crew of 5 Mexicans to do roofing. They were roofing a house a day, and more, working their asses off. They did this for a week. Payday came. Toward the end of the day, a pickup truck drove slowly through the project a couple of times. Markings on the door of the pickup indicated it was from the Department of Immigration. The Mexicans disappeared: easier to lose a week’s pay than face the law without papers. The supervising contractor had called a buddy, maybe somebody who got a case or two of beer for doing the drive through. Result: he got 20 days’ labor free. The prick.

    My friend was incensed, as was I. We believe this is not the way anyone, especially a white man, should act. The contractor put money in his pocket by lying to those 5 men and it doesn’t matter whether they had official papers or not. It was a cheat face to face, man to man. And that kind of crap goes on and has gone on a lot.

    And the road is multi-laned, as illegal immigrant labor affects and is affected by (1) businesses barely hanging on, (2) chicken shit liars like the supervising contractor in the story above, (3) as well as big outfits making it hand over fist.

    I know of a very big land developer, a major California wheeler-dealer, who got filthy rich using illegal labor. This guy was big enough to buy his own politicians, and I believe he did. It’s not just the tiny family businesses that have depended on the cheap labor. The politicians who scream to shut down the illegal flow of Mexicans know all about this. There are a lot of facets to this situation, but the guy who takes the heat is the Mexican. Why do we always go after the guy lowest on the ladder and call the CYA guy at the top “Mr.” ?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  249. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Another metaphor is that of a lifeboat which we have filled beyond its capacity with heavy seas on the way.

    http://www.garretthardinsociety.org/articles/art_lifeboat_ethics_case_against_helping_poor.html

    Note that the article linked was written in 1974 when the population of the US was 210 million and the immigration wave was just beginning.

  250. Da Wei says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed E. Newman, you are reasonable enough to see both sides and to refrain from labeling with obscenities. (Well, at least in your first paragraph)

    You say, “…the time for being civil with our domestic enemies has passed long ago.” To that I heartily agree. I submit that among the principal “domestic enemies” are: (1) the Federal Reserve Bank SOBs (whoever they are) that have us by the nuts; (2) the CIA that has us by the nuts; (3) the weasel politicians bought and paid for by AIPAC and the Zionist lobby; (4) the FBI that has us by the nuts; (5) the Neocon cons like Dick Cheney and Condi Rice and that whole damn crew who engineered 911 and their product, the Patriot Act … that has us by the nuts, (6) the MSM owners and smirking heads that think they have us by the nuts.

    I submit that the above named groups of crooks are our real domestic enemies, and I agree that the time is passed for us to be meek and patient with these entities and individuals. I think these are the assholes, the real assholes, not Jose and his wife who sneaked over the border or Fred Reed, who seems to admire Mexican women. Jose and Fred Reed are not taking this country down. The big guys have done it and we’ve let them get away with it. I’ll adopt your own term “Peak Stupidity” to apply to us for being distracted by hatred toward the smaller more manageable, yet less significant targets.

    By the way, thanks for your letter. I’ll hold my position, though: White Men should use their best thinking and most reserved moves when they fight. It’s grace under pressure. That way, when we do have to go berserk it will have the effect it once did, to scare hell out of them. We don’t need to go apeshit with each other; I think that’s a waste of our energies and fragments our effort. We’re not snarling curs.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  251. @jlee

    What exactly is Reeds concern?

    He actually states it very clearly in the article. After establishing his belief that the immigrants are here and not going away.

    The choices available to the country, other than doing nothing, are to encourage, or to discourage, assimilation. For the good of the United States, assimilation seems much the better choice. Diversity is almost always a disaster, but, if you already have it, and it is not going to leave, the best hope is to assimilate it, to encourage the diverse to move into the middle class and stop being very diverse.

    It is possible to disagree that they are not going away. Some present that argument. I doubt it will be settled here.

    One might also argue that there are other possibilities, solutions that time will bring if we opt for “doing nothing”, but few have presented such arguments in an organized way.

    But as far as his concern, I think he presents it pretty clearly. He thinks that trying to assimilate the immigrants already here is the best choice among a group of bad choices. He does not argue for more immigration. He does not deny that there will be difficulties. He simply says he thinks that is the best path forward.

    Because the issue is so sensitive (rightly so) there is a lot of what Fred has called “Grrrr, woof woofery!” But his argument is pretty simple if you read what he wrote.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  252. @Astuteobservor II

    ehh, china is doing well. russia was doing well till the sanctions hit. and it is recovering. if you meant ussr, communism was never gonna work. just like all ideologies, they don’t work.

    Yes, I did mean in the communist phase. That was when they tried to impose a supposedly “rational” system to replace those institutions that were evolved.

    I have no argument with your basic points other than that, while money is important in the current turmoil, I believe the loss of cultural cohesion is a greater problem.

  253. @Abelard Lindsey

    Good luck with building a multicultural libertarian alliance. I fear your disillusionment will be long.

  254. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Pat Kittle

    Military-aged men leaving the Arab countries surrounding Israel is a big short-term plus.

  255. @Da Wei

    I do know! My language skills are not too high up there. But during my working days did not need to be honed. All I did was to write a technical report here or there.
    So I do sincere thank you for your help

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  256. @Saxon

    Much of what you wrote is correct, but:

    a) I have seen data on Vital statistics some 3-4 years ago. I don’t have link anymore (different laptop), but I clearly remember stats for childbirth: you could go from, I think, 1960s on, and activate options race of mother & race of father. Then you’d get a table. For whites, until 1990+, white mothers with non-white father accounted for ca. 1%- and under category “not known” there were around 5%, not more. During 2010 & later, non-white fathers constituted ca 3% of white mother’s births, while ~20% was under category “not known”.

    Bizarrely, percentage-wise, more black mothers gave birth to children with white fathers, than the other way around (not in absolute number, but percentage-wise). Also, for blacks “unknown” for the race of father was close to 50%.

    Asian mothers had shown more preference for white fathers- as I recall, 15-20%. Among American Indians, both types mixing with whites were dominant & more frequent than Indian-Indian childbirths.

    By the way, Asian American marriage patterns can be seen here: http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.H1mA1zlL.dpbs

    b) as I’ve seen, NYT article & others refer to marriages in that year, not all of them. 10-15% figure for interracial marriages was for all races in the US, not whites. Also, there was some flawed mathematics in these texts (a good example is this: http://www.newsweek.com/interracial-marriage-relationships-history-loving-611820 , https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/05/18/528939766/five-fold-increase-in-interracial-marriages-50-years-after-they-became-legal ). White-white marriages remain well over 95% of “newer” marriages involving whites. As for childbirth, see above.

  257. polskijoe says:

    A decent moderate article.

    I think Europe should remain European mostly but again with the liberal culture and elites who love money, it will continue to get immigrants. Only some countries resist and maybe a few more.
    I hope that changes.

    In places like Canada diversity and multiculturalism might actually be better than assimiliation.
    Its a huge nation with low population.
    The races are more balanced than in USA and far less crime.

    As for the US.. well tough issue.

    The Neocon and Liberal views dominate.
    Paleocon views on immigration are called White Nationalists or White supramacist today by large amounts of people and media.

    Im betting the US will never be a white nation. Deportations by the tens of millions wont happen.
    Im not sure if assimilation/melting pot is better or worse than multicultarism.

    All you have to do is look at the projections, to see the Hispanics.
    and Asians will be going up. And American “mixed” races will be going up.
    (actually most US blacks, and some others are mixed).

    The US needs far more debate on race and these issues (without cries of racism, unless its obvious)..
    The US census needs to be reworked completely to change peoples mind.

  258. polskijoe says:
    @WorkingClass

    Again its hard to find a consensus of what alt-right is. but there is some overlap with alt-right and WN.

    Ill give you some stats from several US polls:

    Trump ~40 percent support.
    Alt-right ~6 percent support
    White Nationalists ~4 percent support

    compared to

    Antifa ~5 percent support
    BLM ~50 percent support

    and

    did trump drain swamp?
    15% did
    64% didnt

    should we build a wall?
    34% support
    55% oppose

  259. AaronB says:
    @another fred

    I

    find your unctuous do-gooder prescriptions offensive and I expressed that. You observe people expressing pain that their lives are in turmoil and you propose that they simply do not understand their lives according to your superior perspective and that what they really need is more of what is bothering them. That is cruel and the cruelty is made more offensive by your calm insistence that you mean well (check quote, above).

    So basically, I am not allowed to express my opinion about the country I live in, and I’m certainly not allowed to offer an alternative perspective to a anyone whose life is in “turmoil”, and debates about the direction this country is taking are off limits to one such as I.

    Of course, their choices affect me, by affection this country, but that’s ok, only my choices and opinions need to remain hidden.

    Sounds crazy to me. Sounds like you’re the one trying to use coercion. I will continue offering my perspectives on what’s good and bad for the country I live.

  260. Alden says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    This is my solution.

    1. If necessary pass more laws forbidding employment of illegals.

    2. Severe punishment and confiscatory fines for employers in those laws.

    3 Go after the employers. I don’t mean the small employers. Start with Denny’s IHOP, fast food, Outback etc. Go after the big farmers, Kern County Land Company etc. Vermont and E Washington are floooded with illegals the farmers bring in. Go after Tyson Armour the canneries and the rest

    4 No bail for those employers. Let the CEOs and the rest of them sit in some horrible nasty city jail with street thugs and affirmative action guards for months during their trials. Then off to federal prison.

    I can dream can’t I?

    Next up, my plans for the judiciary

    Seriously, going after small businesses won’t end the invasion.

    I watched Tuckrr Carlson yesterday for a few minutes. He had a pro immigration guy on. The pro immigration guy kept citing Forbes magazine, Cato institute and other cannibal capitalist sources about how great immigration is.

    Carlson cited welfare statistics about Centrsl Americans Cannibal Capitalist cited all the construction jobs they have.

    Someone should cite how sturdy buildings built by Americans before The invasion are and what crap new buildings are.

  261. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    You shouldn’t simply believe everything you find on the Internet.

    come now Mr. Unz, you know better than that. I even said I got the info from a quick Internet search. I didn’t say it was all true. But I will take a moment to have a look at it..

    here’s one of the sites I posted

    http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

    the first name mentioned is Kristopher William Eggle, 28

    I looked and apparently he was murdered by members of a Mexican drug cartel

    Kris Eggle was shot and killed in the line of duty at Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, on August 9, 2002 while pursuing members of a drug cartel who fled into the United States after committing a string of murders in Mexico.

    https://www.nps.gov/orpi/learn/historyculture/kris.htm

    the next name on the list is Terry Wendover

    an Internet search of her name produces this:

    POUGHKEEPSIE, N.Y. (AP) – A Mexican immigrant admits he stabbed a Poughkeepsie woman to death in July 2007.

    In Dutchess County Court Wednesday, Juan Santiago Toledo pleaded guilty to first-degree manslaughter. With the help of a Spanish language interpreter, the 33-year-old admitted he repeatedly stabbed 45-year-old Terry Wendover with a knife. The crime occurred in a pharmacy parking lot on the night of July 29, 2007.

    and the rest also seem to be valid accounts of the deaths of American citizens due to illegals being in the country, either murdered outright, or by traffic accidents, etc..

    But all the studies I’ve seen indicate they have a homicide rate *considerably* below the national average

    do those national averages include the South side of Chicago?

    and let’s just say it is only one American citizen per day is murdered or American child raped by a criminal foreigner who was allowed to stay in this country due to the illegal policies of sanctuary cities. Only one per day. How much solace would that give you if it were your loved one who was murdered, or your child that was raped?

    Not much I;’m guessing.

    But really, let’s leave the whole issue of immigrant rape and murder, (and narcotics trafficking and drunk drivers and so forth) out of it. Let’s pretend that all immigrants are and illegal immigrants are otherwise law abiding and exemplary people.

    It would still suck for the American citizens at the bottom rungs of society because it is there were these people compete, and where they live, and transform American citizens lives for the worse.

    And I think this gets to the nitty-gritty of it all, because the whole conversation is relative to people’s subjective world views.

    If you ask the Mexicans themselves. of course they’re going to be all for massive and transformational immigration policies. Not only does it mean they could leave the shithole barrios, with sewage running through the “streets” and flies buzzing the faces of the dead-eyed denizens (that I have seen in Mexico Fred. They do exist ; ), but it means they can come to the land of milk and honey, with section 8 housing and fulsome benefits galore. EBT cards and much better wages. So they’d be crazy not to want to come, just as their fellow Mexican here want more of them, because with more Mexicans, you get more political clout, which translates into even more government goodies and more Affirmative Action to fuck over the working class white men always sent to the back of the line. What’s not to like?!

    Then there are of course the rich white men who profit massively from cheap labor. And the bankers and Chamber of Commerce types who slurp rivers of $lop from the economic benefits from having a permanent underclass, clamoring for housing and mortgages and car loans.

    And even better if you can get the working and middle class American citizens to pay for much of the immigrants needs and infrastructure and emergency room visits, making it possible for even less need to pay them a living wage. It’s all a win/win for the Republicans and their wealthy donors.

    Then of course you have the Democrats and their identity politics, where anyone with a functioning brain can now see it’s all about hating whitey 24/7. Why do you think the Black Congressional Caucasus is in bed with La Raza, because they both share a common enemy; the working class white construction worker that Robert Riech says must be officially fucked over in every way possible.

    (sorry for the intemperate language, but sometimes four letter words are the only way to properly convey the sickening bullshit we’re forced to endure from our hatred-consumed masters)

    so yea, there are a whole lot of people with their own reasons for wanting massive numbers of Mexicans and everybody else migrating into Europe and N. America.

    that’s a no-brainer

    but what about the middle and working class Americans (of all races)?

    do they prosper by having millions of Mexicans (and El Salvadorians and Hondurans and everybody else) transforming their relatively poor neighborhoods into places of ethnic and cultural strife?

    Creating all kinds of social problems to heap upon the rest of their very real and existing problems? Should they also have to deal with children in their schools who can’t speak the language, and waiting at the emergency room for hours so that all the immigrants can get their medical issues dealt with? Or the myriad social problems that occur with massive and transformational changes to the ethnic and cultural norms of a once solid community, now being ripped apart at the seams by throngs of foreigners who don’t share their ways?

    Hell yes! say the Mexicans and Chamber of Commerce rich white guys and SJW and Zionist Jews and race pimp blacks like Maxine Waters and the “reverends” and Hollywood types and general contractors and developers and Anti-fa thugs and brain dead Christians and so many, many others.

    I get that. It’s all relative.

    But my problem here is with the former and putative voice of down-home Americana, farm boy, back woods wisdom and homily. The guy who world eviscerate the smarmy racial vacuity of Oprah with the shiv-prose, as only he could.

    and then to listen to this guy, the former patron saint of Virginia backwoods white-maleness, shilling for more Mexicans (or whatever third world peoples) as some kind of benefit to the working class fellows that used to be his readership, and suffer the smarmy scolding from this guy – that anyone who doesn’t embrace millions upon millions more Mexicans, are just pathetic losers worried about their precious bodily fluids, is just too much.

    I get it when Oprah or Robert Reich or Hillary shill for more immigration. They’ve hated us from day one. Of course they want to see us ground into the dirt!

    But to hear if from Fred, of all people. Well, it just sort of stings, I guess.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Alden
    , @V
  262. Alden says:
    @AaronB

    Those beggar girls were probably some kind of illegal slaves. They weren’t working for themselves. They have an employer/owner who sends them out on the street to beg a quota. If they don’t cone back with enough money they get beatings and other punishments.

    You are so naive.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  263. polskijoe says:
    @Iberiano

    The US should add categories like Castizo, Mestizo, and drop the Hispanic part.
    heck do the same thing with the “white” category
    and switch to European, Semitic (or whatever), etc.

    A Hispanic whos 3/4 European perhaps may be white but not European.
    still close enough maybe?

    I also bet that large amounts of Hispanics vote Democrat for economic reasons.
    Obviously both parties are corportarist at the top. But minorities and poor tend to choose Democrat for economy. What if the cons became a bit more moderate there?

    Possible than for Hispanics to switch to traditional or conservative views?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Anon
  264. @SteveRogers42

    Sophia is a strong argument for merit-based immigration; nothing more.

  265. Alden says:
    @AaronB

    If being poor in a non Anglo culture is so wonderful why are the non Anglo poor of the world flooding Anglo cultures?

    It’s simple: being poor in a non Anglo culture with no welfare means means malnutrition and death

    Being poor in an Anglo culture means the basics of life are provided by welfare

    • Replies: @AaronB
  266. Alden says:
    @Rurik

    Tomatoes have been picked by machines for about 4o years now. That’s why they are as sturdy and thick skinned as a tennis ball.

  267. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Saxon

    Estimating roughly I wonder if it is now 10% of all new births (one Hispanic parent, one white parent).

  268. AaronB says:
    @Alden

    Delusion. It’s quite common for immigrants to regret coming. They don’t realize how awful life in America is before they come.

    Also, many people who care mostly about money come – i.e, lower quality people. This applies to high IQ types as well.

    Finslly, the truly desperate, not the merely poor.

    • Replies: @Alden
  269. AaronB says:
    @Alden

    Right, that’s what all the “sophisticated” tourists “know” is true. Never give to beggars in India, it’s a scam. Heard it a million times.

    Never give to beggars in America either, he’ll just go buy heroin.

  270. Alden says:
    @tim s

    Conservatives have a fantasy that because they are either sort of Catholic
    or Evangelical they have traditional values.

    They don’t.

    Hispanics have the highest abortion rates. Although they often live in lifelong partnerships, they have a very low rate of legal marriage. Maybe it’s for the single Mom welfare. They have a high rate of molestation of girls 10 to 16.

    Tucker Carlson talked about government welfare statistics last night. 73 % of Salvadorans and Guatemalans are in welfare

    Hispanics don’t live a conservative lifestyle. But conservatives love them because they didn’t vote for gay marriage. . .

  271. Alden says:
    @AaronB

    I live in and worked in a city that is full of immigrants Never met any who regretted coming to America.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  272. AaronB says:
    @Alden

    There’s lots of documentation on this phenomena on the web. Do a search.

    Was just talking to an HVAC guy I hired, he’s from the Ukraine, used to live in Argentina.

    Says this is the worst country he’s lived in, its without soul and cares only for money. Wants out.

    • Replies: @Alden
  273. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Da Wei

    I don’t doubt the veracity of your personal experiences, and don’t get me wrong, I have no hatred for the Hispanic immigrant laborers themselves. My ultimate point is that this is an awful situation we’ve gotten ourselves into in the present day, where so many businesses and farms in some parts of the country have slowly become dependent on cheap immigrant labor. This is a hole I believe we should have stopped digging ourselves into ages ago, and preferably never started in the first place (by passing the ’65 Hart-Cellar act). I don’t think it really had to be this way. You mention “in today’s economy,” well, today’s economy is indeed quite screwed-up, sadly (though for many more reasons than just mass cheap-labor immigration).

    It’s just that many of us have seen the whole “crops rotting in the fields!” narrative time and time again, and roll our eyes at the notion that only unchecked mass immigration from Latin American countries could ever be the solution. From what I’ve seen specifically of the Sailer commenteriat, most people very much do blame the American politicians, business & farm owners (like the asshole contractor you discuss), referred to generally as the “cheap labor lobby,” first and foremost for the present situation. I think most of us accept things can never fully go back to the way they were prior to ’65, but that shouldn’t stop us from at least trying to mitigate the damage said cheap labor lobby has done to the country as much as we can.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  274. Ron Unz says:
    @Rurik

    Kris Eggle was shot and killed in the line of duty at Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument, on August 9, 2002…the 33-year-old admitted he repeatedly stabbed 45-year-old Terry Wendover with a knife. The crime occurred in a pharmacy parking lot on the night of July 29, 2007.

    Well, look. There are 11M illegal immigrants in America (or maybe even 110M!!), and also something like 15,000 annual homicides. Hispanic illegals tend to be pretty average sorts of people, and it’s ridiculous to believe that absolutely none of them might ever be criminals or murder people. But the fact that the only two cases you cited came from the 2000s hardly weakens my argument. I’m still pretty sure that the typical ordinary white American is at *far* greater damage of being hit by lightening than by being murdered by a Hispanic illegal. So maybe you should focus your energies on lobbying for more lightening-rods or something.

    I glanced at that “memorial” website, and it looks like most of white victims were from car accidents, especially DUIs. Are Hispanic illegals more likely to drive drunk than other people. Maybe, but who knows? Apparently around 10,000 people are killed each year in DUI accidents, so even if Hispanic illegals were just “average”, they’d surely account for hundreds of deaths per year, certainly more than are listed on that silly website. But for similar reasons, I’d assume that white Lesbians also kill hundreds of people each year in DUIs, so maybe anti-gay groups should focus on that issue as well.

    Seriously, if you can’t find any evidence that Hispanic illegals are more dangerous to white people than lightening (or white Lesbians), maybe you just drop that ridiculous issue and focus on others instead.

  275. Alden says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Selma Hayek is half Czech. She doesn’t have a drop of hispanic DNA. Yet she was a spokes critter for hispanics and unlimited immigration.

  276. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    That’s a decidedly odd view of the Steinle case, from all I’ve heard.

    And I agree with you on the general fact of Mexican immigrants not being noticeably more criminal than whites.

  277. @Da Wei

    Thanks for your reply, Da Wei. As far as your 2nd paragraph, I agree 100% that the people/organizations you mention are indeed our domestic enemies. These entities are pretty invisible or unknown to most people. It’s too bad Dr. Ron Paul spoke above the level of thinking of most Americans and also got squashed by the Lyin’ Press in 2012. I told him in person to talk to the voters about illegal immigration. I wish he’d have listened, as there’s a guy with 25 IQ points of Donald Trump, and he uses them in better fashion.

    I did not intend to put the writer Fred Reed in with domestic enemies, but just to say, yes, he is a duplicitous asshole. I call out lies when I see them, and Mr. Reed lies, or is at least unwittingly duplicitous, when he writes the series of articles conflating illegal and legal immigration, his last-week stint as a civil engineer-in-training, and the constant disrespect and hatred of the people that do have ideas about solving our problems.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  278. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    I was smashed to pieces and spent 13 months in hospitals, nursing homes and assisted living and am very disabled because a little brown man in a little white car came around the corner and didn’t stop although I was already in the middle of the intersection and a pedestrian. Speed limit was 25 on that street.

    Causation? He was in the country driving on that street where he encountered me.

  279. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    What is the justification for giving recently arrived hispanics affirmative action jobs? Why is every government office or agency way over quota with hispanics? Why is it impossible for a White to get a job in the food industry?

    Even when the Germans occupied Europe they didn’t flood the occupied countries with Germans to replace every government employee. That is what is happening in America.

    What I object to most about hispancis is that they have rights and entitlements to jobs from which White Americans are banned because of racial discrimination against Whites

  280. @Ron Unz

    Seriously, if you can’t find any evidence that Hispanic illegals are more dangerous to white people than lightening (or white Lesbians), maybe you just drop that ridiculous issue and focus on others instead.

    I guess the wanted posters at the post office don’t mean anything, Ron? Really, Mr. Unz, I thought you were associated with the VDare writers to some degree. I have read that site since 2002 or so and probably have read 95% of every bit of writing (blog posts, letters, and articles) on it. You mentioned VDare earlier on in this thread. What you write is not my impression from following VDare for so long.

    Have you read much from Brenda Walker? She concentrates on the human aspect of the illegal invasion, and she also writes very much about the former paradise California, still her home state (and yours, I believe). I wish you’d email her, or Mr. Brimelow, and see what either of them think about your opinion here. I’m not trying to be snarky, but I’d like to know whether they would agree with you on the question “are illegal alien Mexicans more prone to violent crime?”

    Also, Ron, I’m not fan of MADD and all of that, but you don’t get out much, if you don’t know how many fatal car crashes are caused by drunk Mexicans. I don’t live anywhere near the southern border, BTW. These guys are prone to drinking to a 0.30 – 0.40 % blood-alcohol level, not just some small number that MADD will chalk up to drunkenness just to get their numbers up (which they are prone to do).

    Lastly, illegal hispanics (Chinese or other illegals too) are under a different rule of law (de facto, I should say) than Americans. The Steinle case is just one example, but an egregious one. Even with a real, not stolen or forged ID, after a serious crime, one can just high-tail it back to Mexico. Next year, while looking for work, he is no longer Jose, but Hose-B. There is not a good way to enforce justice, and the difference in race is part of that (same with Chinese), as the “they all look the same” aspect plays a part in this.

  281. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    I dare say you didn’t bother to read the salient part of my comment.

    My point is that even if there were zero deaths or rapes from murderous or drunken illegal immigrants, that Mexican (and all Third World) immigration into the West is still very deleterious for many of the (especially) working class citizens (of all races) of those countries.

    but because the advantages to others- due either to their bank accounts (donor class) or their ethnic agendas, (Democrat identity politics), or both, make it silly to try to make the case for limiting immigration to all people.

    The bottom line is it hurts some people but benefits others. I’m simply being an advocate for the people it hurts, (working class Americans of all races). I’m not trying to convince those whose affinity for the working class doesn’t exist. That would be silly as it would be futile. Only pointing out that as the Mexicans (and others) flood in, that it is not good for a certain segment of society. And that it’s insulting for people like Fred to mock those people (his former readers), because he has his own motivations and agenda at cross purposes to theirs.

    That’s all ;)

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  282. Rurik says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    but then asians will dominate. you ok with that?

    yes

    only I wouldn’t import millions more of them, as I’d consider that suicidally insane

    your talk of white identity, racists and nazis included, I may not agree with it

    um, what talk of ‘white identity, racist and nazis” are you referring to?

    if I mention such things, it’s only to mock the people who sling those pejoratives, so I’m not sure what you’re on about.

    but I understand the fear, the fear of losing your place in the world.

    I have no fear of losing my place in the world. I’m very comfortable and contented and happy. I did it all right, and personally I’m rather set. (I even have the leisure time to mess around on forums like this ; )

    so I have no fear for myself, personally, but I do tremble at the kind of place this is going to be when the cold ethno-strife here in the states and in Europe, turns hot. Which it will, make no mistake about it. It is for all the people ground up in the carnage that I fear for. I’ll be fine and happy down in Uruguay, but the folly and stupidity of our leaders today is surely sewing the seeds of horrors writ large for the children, we so callously care so little for.

    about attacks on “white society”, it is just macroeconomics. more people = bigger economy.

    is that why Robert Reich said no “white construction workers” would see a dime of the stimulus money?

    is that why we have Affirmative Action, and only allow massive immigration from non-white countries?

    there is no racial angle in any of that?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  283. AaronB says:
    @syonredux

    Interestingly, another pessimistic Latin, George Santayana, was also an admirer of Anglo cultures, even tho their values and ideals are so opposed.

    It’s a weird phenomenon. Maybe it’s a sense of the exotic for them.

    But Anglo cultures don’t produce figures like Santayana or Borges, and are based on a very different view of life.

    Although, that’s beginning to change in Britain. Thinker John Gray could not have been produced in America.

    In my view, being too First World is not healthy, and we can use some Third World values and attitudes.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  284. Alden says:
    @Rurik

    Don’t forget how middle class qualified White Americans are banned from a lot of jobs because of affirmative action discrimination against White Americans

    I can’t go to Mexico or Africa or Asia and get a well paid government job simply because I am an unqualified foreigner of a different race can I?

    But they can come here and do it

  285. Ron Unz says:
    @Rurik

    My point is that even if there were zero deaths or rapes from murderous or drunken illegal immigrants, that Mexican (and all Third World) immigration into the West is still very deleterious for many of the (especially) working class citizens (of all races) of those countries.

    Well, I’m very busy with my own work and really try to avoid getting involved in these comment-threads, so this will probably need to be my last comment. But I’ve already discussed these issues very extensively in my past writings. You might want to read them if you haven’t already done so:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/

    The bottom line is if you believe that too much Hispanic immigration is a serious problem, you’re better off not saying the biggest problem is that they’re mostly vampires eager to bite Americans in the neck. That’s simply isn’t true and makes you look ridiculous…

    • Replies: @Rurik
  286. Alejo says:

    I have a question to the people of the US writing here. I do not understand quite well what does the terms “Hispanics” and “Latinos” mean in the US. Race ? Religion ? Language ? For example, in my case I am from Argentina, my grandfather (from father side) was German and my mother is from Poland (arrived after the Second World War), I am blond with blue eyes and my first language is Spanish. In which category would I be considered in the US ? latino ? hispanic? germanic ? slav ? Nothing from the above ?
    I also have the impression that many English “only” speaking people are obsessed with other people speaking other language (for instance Spanish) Would that be a problem ? I speak, besides Spanish, English, German, Polish and French (my wife is from Belgium) and nobody cares about that, why is that a problem in the US ?

    Thanks for your help

    • Replies: @Joe Correa
    , @polskijoe
  287. Alden says:
    @Rurik

    I thought the gun was under a bench wrapped in a T shirt? The story changes every time he tells it.

    There are lots of gun accidents that result in death. Hunting deaths are a good example. The shooters are usually not even charged with anything.

    Gun cleaning deaths are usually investigated. I mean, what better way to get rid of a nasty spouse and collect the insurance than a gun cleaning accident?

    When an illegal felon shoots a man, the excuse is that the illegal felon thought the man was a gang member That was the excuse used in San Francisco a few years ago when an illegal felon recently released despite an immigration hold murdered a father and 2 sons, the Bolgna family.

    But a woman? It’s hard to claim a random woman was mistaken for a gang member. Unless she was wearing a baseball cap.

  288. @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    Unz is my #1 go-to website. I appreciate your brilliance, content, layout, generosity & willingness to play fair.

    Having said that, I’m disappointed you seem so oblivious to the downside of open borders.

    On any given day, the local paper (Santa Cruz Sentinel) in my “sanctuary city” California home town is likely to have crime reports (when reading between the lines) dominated by Hispanic criminals.

    Meanwhile, the pro-”sanctuary” Sentinel enshrines Hispanic achievements in splashy feature stories with poster-child-perfect “undocumented” immigrants.

    And of course there are the endless appeals & guilt-tripping regarding needy high-birthrate Mexicans being held back by… wait… racism!

    I’ve personally been hit by Hispanic motorists 3 times (one being a hit-&-run who I chased down).

    Contrary to the cartoon stereotype others have of me, I do not have a seething hatred of Hispanics, but I do understand ecological limits, and we’ve far surpassed them. Even if all Mexicans were as wonderful as Fred would have us believe, we are seriously over-crowded already. Maxed out! Traffic, housing, water, encroachment of burgeoning humanity upon wildlands, you name it, we’ve got it & it’s getting worse with no end in sight.

    Without massively unsustainable immigration the US human population would be headed in the direction of sustainability. What’s wrong with THAT??

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  289. Alden says:
    @AaronB

    Have you ever thought of joining a monastery? There are still some around and I’m sure they need recruits.

    You could work about 4 hours a day and contemplate morality spirituality and virtue the rest of the time, unemcumbered by the real world.

  290. Alden says:
    @AaronB

    Read my post. These are people I know and with whom I talk, not some website.

  291. Alden says:
    @AaronB

    You’ve already expressed your philosophy of virtue morality and spirituality to the point that everyone is sick of it.

    At least now you are posting about the real world.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  292. @Pat Kittle

    Ron UNZ is statistician. He looks at everything with eyes of statistician.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  293. Fred, I hate to tell you this, but the alt-right is just a few weblogs.

    • Replies: @Truth
  294. Alden says:
    @Iberiano

    Selma Hayek is not Hispanic and lebanese. She is Czech and Lebanese.

    What makes you think Penelope Cruz is part Moor? Do you have her DNA profile?

    • Replies: @Anon
  295. TheJester says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron, you lost me on this one. I would have hoped for more since you live in California, albeit probably not in the “wrong” neighborhoods.

    Let’s say that the MS-13 “kill list” falls within the normal murder rate that is ridiculously high because of “black-on-black” murders that no one, including blacks, apparently care anything about … as long as blacks keep the mayhem inside their ghettos.

    So, if I understand your argument, as long as the MS-13 murders can hide in the statistical tail of black-on-black murders, the MS-13 threat is insignificant and non-consequential. Let’s ignore them.

    The people in Loudoun County, Virginia, beg to differ. MS-13 gang members left their “reservation” and murdered innocent people … neighbors out for a morning jog … in an otherwise crime-free white community. It was a gang initiation. Yes, more people die in Loudoun County from car wrecks every year than at the hands of MS-13, but we know the difference.

    San Salvadorians bring a little bit of San Salvador with them wherever they go … their problems, including M-13. Mexicans bring a little bit of Mexico with them wherever they go … their problems, including drug cartels and a general lawlessness.

    When you see a social cancer starting to spread, you try to cut it out before it metastasizes.

  296. Alden says:
    @Saxon

    18th century America was awash with mulattoes, quadroons, octoroons, and 16tharoons. White Frontiersmen often legally married Indian women.

    The founders were very familiar with miscengation The results were all around them on their own farms and plantations.

    • Replies: @Saxon
  297. Alden says:
    @Da Wei

    He could get excellent help. All he has to do is look on the internet for the applicable trade union website, call dispatch and he would get superbly qualified help in a day.

    Of course he’d have to pay decent wages.

  298. Alden says:
    @VICB3

    Better than tariffs would be a 90% tax on all money sent back to Mexico. It’s about 20 billion a year.

  299. Dr. Doom says:

    Hey Gringo. You not La Raza Mang. You may believe you have it good, with El Norte giving you your jarhead pension, and it gets many pesos for Tequila and mamacitas, but let me tell ya Mang, it ain’t gonna stay that way. That pension she go POOF! Your homies no like you when the bread no come.

    You on the wrong side of the border. You ain’t one of US. You better get a grip on REALITY.

  300. AaronB says:
    @Alden

    You’ve already expressed your philosophy of virtue morality and spirituality to the point that everyone is sick of it.

    It reaches those for whom it is meant.

    I’m not a believer in any religion, so I can’t join a monastery.

    But thanks for the advice.

  301. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Ilyana,

    If Ron needs statistics…

    Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs:
    — (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE&feature=youtu.be ]

    (And it’s even more true now!)

  302. Alden says:
    @Backwoods Bob

    Oh please, you couldn’t get a White woman so you got a green card marriage..

  303. Alden says:
    @Biff

    A slum by any other name

  304. @AaronB

    Muppet, is it you?

    I have zero desire to live like an elite in those countries or in this one. I’ve done that in both, and its hollow.

    A middle upper class muppet, tired and bored of being well-off, telling the Internet how fantastic must be to be poor in third world shitholes? Hello?

    Check your comments with the retardery meter next time man. That one would have broken the device.

    #ItsNotOkToBeSoRetarded

  305. @Alejo

    Argentinian? You’d be considered to belong to the slightly-above-scum category, way below Chileans.

    I believe the word in Spanish for the category you’d be in is “gentuza”

    You are welcome : )

  306. @Rurik

    um, what talk of ‘white identity, racist and nazis” are you referring to?

    if I mention such things, it’s only to mock the people who sling those pejoratives, so I’m not sure what you’re on about.

    below is what you wrote in the previous comment.

    yes it does, because right now there is a debate on the future of the Western world in general, and the ZUSA in particular, and the right of white societies to maintain their identity, racist and evil and Nazi tho they all may be

    so this conversation could not be more immediate and salient to the future of white folks everywhere, and what kind of life it’s going to be for the white minority, when we already treat non-whites as special and above criticism and even above the laws of the land. So long as they’re non-whites = first class citizens (even if they’re here illegally)

    I am just replying to your comments.

    the planners, elites, economists are banking on the short term strife and long term economic gain from a bigger population. you have a right to fear as maybe the strife isn’t just short term(10-20 years). if the current polarizing politics gets any worst in the future, there could very well be huge problems.

    there is no racial angle in any of that?

    I can’t say for sure, as I can’t read the minds of the people at the top. but it is about a bigger economy. usa is also the only developed country with a growing population due to immigration. about white construction workers. they are microscopic in the macroeconomic sense. isn’t that purely local? you think the planners go out of their way to not give jobs/work to white construction workers?

    yes

    only I wouldn’t import millions more of them, as I’d consider that suicidally insane

    this makes you logical :) the fear of not being the majority in the usa in the future is very understandable.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  307. Latinos and Hispanics are generally decent immigrants if they come here legally.

    However, most Latinos and Hispanics in the US have allowed themselves to be manipulated by democrats and neocons to support special federal rights for special people, including special rights for Latinos and Hispanics.

    Special federal rights for special people are recognized and enforced by the US government as protected class group rights, and were lobbied into existence by democrat-neocons and Jewish groups.

    Only after all existing and future special federal rights for special people are forever removed from the US federal government can any form of large scale immigration be allowed to continue.

  308. I can’t take this guy seriously: all he wants is to feel good no mater the cost to others.

  309. dfordoom says: • Website
    @another fred

    But as far as his concern, I think he presents it pretty clearly. He thinks that trying to assimilate the immigrants already here is the best choice among a group of bad choices. He does not argue for more immigration. He does not deny that there will be difficulties. He simply says he thinks that is the best path forward.

    It’s a fairly realistic position to take. But most alt-righters don’t seem to be interested in realistic approaches. Which is why the alt-right has no actual influence. They give the impression of being fanatics out of touch with reality, obsessed with fantasies about a new civil war.

    There’s only a very slim chance of getting any traction even for moderate realistic approaches like Fred’s. There’s zero chance for the wild-eyed fantasies of the alt-right. All the alt-right manages to achieve is to make it even less likely that realistic moderates will be listened to.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  310. KenH says:
    @Joseph Doaks

    They’re really Mestizos. Most of the illegal aliens are Indians with maybe a tincture of European blood.

    The information in the links does not paint a glowing portrait of Mestizo achievement and assimilation in America. Fred just likes to churn out polemics in favor of amnesty and against the alt right and white nationalists as if we have any impact on the ability of mestizos to assimilate and fit in or their willingness to do so.

    Fred also overlooks the leaders of the “hispanic community” who are mostly racial firebrands doing their part to antagonize and alienate their gracious white hosts.

  311. dfordoom says: • Website
    @polskijoe

    I also bet that large amounts of Hispanics vote Democrat for economic reasons.
    Obviously both parties are corportarist at the top. But minorities and poor tend to choose Democrat for economy. What if the cons became a bit more moderate there?

    One option would be for the Republicans to start giving a damn for people who aren’t billionaires. That ain’t gonna happen. Republicans don’t get much of the minority vote because minorities are much more sensible than white people. They don’t vote for parties that aren’t going to do anything for them. White people like to vote for political parties that actively and openly despise ordinary white people and
    want them to die. Minorities aren’t that dumb.

    Possible than for Hispanics to switch to traditional or conservative views?

    One possibility is that Hispanics might push the Democrats towards actual leftist economic policies. That would be a good thing. Hispanics might also push the Democrats towards more socially conservative policies. That would be a very good thing indeed.

  312. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    The bottom line is if you believe that too much Hispanic immigration is a serious problem, you’re better off not saying the biggest problem is that they’re mostly vampires eager to bite Americans in the neck. That’s simply isn’t true and makes you look ridiculous…

    for the record I have no hostility towards Mexicans at all, to the contrary really. But I do oppose massive and transformational immigration of culturally and ethnically foreign peoples into the West for the reasons I’ve stated, and more. (the environment, etc..)

    It’s not fair to the citizens who’re most impacted by it. And opposing it does not make them ‘racists’ or “white supremacists’, or whack-jobs (as Fred intimates) rather it makes them sane and healthy people who want to maintain their lifestyles for their posterity/children. Something all people want.

    as to the vampires comment, what I said, while a bit hyperbolic perhaps,

    but American citizens are slaughtered all the time by Mexican and other legal and illegal immigrants,

    does seem to be factually true

    statistics are very hard to come by, as it seems most states (all but Texas) do not maintain records on crimes by immigrants, (legal or otherwise). So there’s a dearth of numbers, but this was something I found that seemed objective..

    A letter written by the Senate Judiciary Committee in June 2015 to DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson, Secretary of State John Kerry and Attorney General Loretta Lynch reveals news facts about the number and nature of crimes committed by illegal immigrants who had already been convicted of other crimes but were released back into the public either because their home country would not accept their deportation and/or because they exceeded a Supreme Court mandate prohibiting detention of deportable foreign nationals beyond six months.

    According to the letter, published by the Miami Herald, statistics provided by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officials confirm that 121 homicides were committed in the U.S. between 2010-2014 by illegal immigrants who had already been convicted of a crime but were released back into society due to limitations on their detention.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article131327329.ece/binary/ICE_Letter.pdf

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-08/senate-letter-reveals-staggering-number-homicides-illegal-immigrants-previous-crimin

    and that’s only for illegal immigrant who were arrested and released. I can’t find good statistics on immigrants and homicide rates. Those numbers seem to be unavailable.

    I won’t ask you to respond. It’s not necessary. I get your point about blurting out things that sound outrageous, but once in a while I take liberties because like you, I’d really like to know what the actual numbers are, and in cases like this, they seem to be very carefully hushed up.

    Thanks again Sir, for creating and maintaining the best website on the Internet!

    Rurik ~ unsung proponent of white (and Mexican!) lesbians

  313. KenH says:

    To the claim that the average American has a better chance of being struck by lightning than being killed by an illegal alien:

    The 10 yr average for deaths from lightning strike is 31 annually.

    http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/fatalities.shtml

    Illegal aliens committed 25,064 murders from 2003 to 2009 or approximately 4200 per year over that period.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities

    4200 vs. 31 speaks for itself. You are 135 times more likely to be killed by an illegal alien than struck by lightning.

    If only 10% of these are murders committed against white people then it’s illegal aliens 420, lightning 31 and a white person is 13.5 times more likely to be killed by an illegal alien than be struck by lightning. So yeah, illegal aliens are more dangerous than lightning and it’s statistically safer to go outside in a lightning storm than live around illegal aliens.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  314. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Look at his handle. He knows his moors/Arabs.

    Hayek = Arab-mestizo Mexican parents, both.
    Cruz = moor, complete with moorish eyes. (‘Ojos moros’)

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Joe Correa
    , @Iberiano
  315. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “What is “our” society? The post-WW2 era in which you were raised when the society was near 90% white, or the place where whites are 64% of the society and dropping?”

    Our society is American, originally forged by a mix of Europeans who, through their posterity, laid the groundwork for future generations to set a course for themselves. Like any nation before it, a variety of racial and ethnic groups arrived, set up shop in their own enclaves, and eventually immersed themselves into the body politic.

    Hate facts, to be sure.

    “An immigrant in the 1950′s had immense social pressure to assimilate: stingy welfare, no EASL services, no Title VII, no SJW crusades, and a governing white super-majority. They adapted and out-married into the super-majority, or they went back home. Or they formed insular ghettoes, like the Hasidim and the Amish, and American blacks.”

    From 1950 to 1960, the U.S. had 2,515,000 new immigrants–477,000 arriving from Germany, 185,000 from Italy, 52,000 new arrivals from the Netherlands, 203,000 from the UK, 46,000 from Japan, 300,000 from Mexico, and 377,000 from Canada. Since there brethren already had been here in large numbers, they experienced a modicum of social pressure. Regardless, today’s immigrants are following the same script as in the past. People tend to forget that their own ancestors generally underwent the same intense scrutiny by nativists. Their great-grandparents demanded they be given the opportunity to prove themselves.

    Now, before you get your knickers in a twist, may I remind you that I support immigration restrictions today, that there ought to be major reforms to H1B visas, and employers ought to be brought to justice for hiring and maintaining illegals.

    In the end, there is not going to be this massive and glorious “deportation of millions of people” by our government, nor is there going to be this rise of the “angered Saxon” en masse to force the partition of the United States, and nor are the armchair warriors here who lament about this “invasion by Amerinds” are going to engage violent reprisals.

  316. Rurik says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    I am just replying to your comments.

    you didn’t see the dripping sarcasm?

    do you really suppose I consider white folks to be ‘evil’ for not wanting to be ethnically cleansed out of their homes and lands?

    I know that’s who they’re supposed to feel, and hence the sarcasm, but that’s hardly how I feel about them.

    if the current polarizing politics gets any worst in the future, there could very well be huge problems.

    Enoch Powell was a sage, and a Cassandra

    about white construction workers. they are microscopic in the macroeconomic sense.

    yes, of course. But what that indiscrete blurb betrayed was a window into the man’s id. And not only his, but all the Democrat career politicians standing around in the room who didn’t bat an eye when he said it. It was taken for granted that of course they would do all they could to fuck over the working white man. When have they not?!

    you think the planners go out of their way to not give jobs/work to white construction workers?

    I think that the Obama administration poured over every single issue with the unspoken but universal intention of fucking over as many middle and working class white men as they possibly could. I think it was and is their obsession. I think the Democrat party today is verily defined by a visceral hatred for all things ‘working class white man’. And a universal determination to see us even more marginalized and disenfranchised and fucked over- even more than we already are- drives their every decision.

    Yes, that’s what I think.

    this makes you logical :) the fear of not being the majority in the usa in the future is very understandable.

    I watched with interest what transpired in Zimbabwe. Not because I was interested in Zimbabwe per se, but because of the way the Western media and governments handled it was telling.

    First they came for the Rhodesians.

    as the world ignored the racist theft of the farms and homes and even rape and murder of the whites of Zimbabwe, I knew that it was broadcasting it’s values, by it’s silence.

    You see for me, you can glimmer a thousand times more truth by people’s silence than you ever can by what they say.

    If the Arabs of Palestine were thrashing the Jews and waging a successful effort to get back their lands, and butchering the Zionists in their settlements, the howls and shrieking and demands from every leader and media outlet would be so thunderous and trumpeted that we’d all have shattered ear drums. The militaries of the Western world would be marshaled into high gear. England and France and Germany would be demanding something be done!!! The ZUSA and Canada would be sending special ops.

    But the whites of Zimbabwe?

    not a peep

    just like the white victims of black crime. Not a peep.

    You can see right into the id of people by their crickets. The crickets speak louder than sonic booms when it comes to divining their intentions and their fealties.

    So if they didn’t give a rip about the farmers of Zimbabwe, just as they didn’t give a rip about the farmers of Ukraine a hundred years earlier, then who in their right mind believes for one second that they’d give a rat’s arse over the fate of the Christians (second class whites) of the ZUSA?

    yep, when Trump beat Hillary, we all dodged a huge bullet. But we only bought ourselves a little time. They day of reckoning will come. Of that you can be absolutely certain.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @V
  317. Da Wei says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Achmed E. Newman, we are in sync pert near all the way. Thank you for your communication.

    You may be a more astute observer of Mr. Reed than I, or maybe more sensitive to his tone than I. Some of your references I don’t understand, but it doesn’t matter. I agree that he conflates illegal and legal immigration, but his point of departure seems to be that, hey, this is the reality we’re dealing with. Get used to the water, cause ya can’t turn the tide. His tone is laid back and non-judgmental. That’s the way I interpret his writing, anyway. I think living outside the US facilitates that. He appreciates Mexican food, tequila and women. I can see his point on all three. Different strokes. On to bigger things.

    Other parts of the world are strict on immigration. You won’t find California’s immigration problems in Hong Kong or China. I know something about that. The US is loose on immigration and I think that is by design of the major enemies I identified in my first letter. I don’t like the design, by the way.

    Good that you spoke directly to Ron Paul about issues and his rhetorical approach. I am impressed by that. Too bad he didn’t listen. Ron Paul is about the only voice of reason I hear out there and the only one I’m pretty much sure to agree with.

    Regarding the MSM, I include a citation you may find interesting. It is from David Irving’s book, Churchill’s War (p. 157). Count Jerzi Potocki, Polish Ambassador to the US, wrote about American media, saying (Irving’s words) there is “almost one hundred percent Jewish control of American radio, film and newspapers and … the Jews (have a) coarse but effective propaganda.” Count Potocki went on to name notable Americans, including Felix Frankfurter and the then governor of New York State. “They pose as defenders of democracy but in the final analysis (are) connected by unbreakable ties with international Jewry.” THIS WAS IN 1938. Count Potocki was descended from an honorable family.

    Now, allow me to set up my question for you. In my observation, things started going downhill fast after JFK was assassinated in 1963, but the seditious infrastructure was set after 1913. We know they sought a “new Pearl Harbor” and that’s just what they manufactured. What that calls for is a new American Revolution. My question for you is “HOW?” Do we need a new Tom Paine? Or many? How do we confer with FISA’s ear at the door? Any ideas?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  318. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @dfordoom

    What a cuck. Refer to the first comment and choke your boomer nationalism.

  319. Alden says:
    @AaronB

    I’m getting the feeling you are a sex tourist.

    • LOL: Truth
  320. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @polskijoe

    The Spanish Crown tried that with careful categorization (at least 16) in the caste system, but decided to drop it since they also promoted marriage, and by the mid 1600′s everybody realized it was never ending: 1/2 spanish, 1/4 mestizo, 1/4 zambo makes what, right?

    People will self-segregate, and given some shared values, it works. Except when resentment is inoculated deliberately, which is what’s happened in the US.

  321. Roman says:
    @Ron Unz

    I called you out before on your bizarre claim that illegal immigration via Mexico was substantially less than 5% of the yearly total, and pointed out to you non partisan “kosher” sources suggesting it being more like 200k to 300k succesful illegal crossings via Mexico per year, which is around 20 to 30 percent of the total.

    You have yet to answer and give the source of your claims, and explain how illegal crossings through a porous border are quantified with accuracy.

    Now you claim that it’d be easier to get killed by lightning than by an illegal immigrant, and after a minute of browsing came up this interesting article by one Ron Martinelli, PhD forensic criminologist in the publication The Hill plus a report by the US Government Accountability Office in which is claimed that according to the FBI data on arrests histories, criminal aliens were arrested, convicted and sent to prison for 25,064 homicides, 14,788 kidnappings, 42,609 robberies, 115,045 burglaries and 69,929 sex offenses counting from July 2004 to December 2008. (page 21of the pdf)

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities

    https://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11187.pdf

    According to you this forensic criminologist with a PhD and with decades of experience working in the field for LE and the General Accounting Office and the FBI are flat out lying and tampering with the data?

    Furthermore, are you suggesting that the significant sample of Latin American population that is the 200 to 300k yearly illegal immigrants composed of mostly poor and uneducated people – coming from some of the countries with most murder and violent crime per capita on Earth -misteriously and against the most basic statistical principles happen to be part of the law abiding portion of poor people from those countries? : )

    Now being lightning deaths incidence in the US around 50 a year, I do not know if your main goal here is to present yourself as a crackpot, whether you have an open borders agenda, or whether you suffer from this kind of academic-in-his-bubble arrogance and believe – no matter what facts are presented to contradict your already formed opinion – you are in the right because of “muh studies and muh Palo Alto anecdotes prove it”.

    But in all honesty I’m starting to believe you are full of it.

    • Replies: @TWS
  322. Alden says:
    @Anon

    Selma Hayek’s father immigrated to Mexico from Czechoslovakia Mother from Lebanon Hayek is a Czech, not Hispanic name. She has not a molecule of Hispanic DNA.

    Cruz is Spanish. Unless Iberio has Cruz’ DNA his claim that she is part moor is just speculation. She has dark brown eyes so what. One could speculate that her height “proves” descent from some tall Vandal or Gothic invaders.

    But without DNA it’s only speculation.

    • Replies: @Anon
  323. Da Wei says:
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous, thank you. I’ll try to be brief, which is a challenge for me. I understand and agree with all you have said in this letter. I think things can and should return to the way they were, say in 1963, when they shot Kennedy (after he printed real money and sought a nuclear peace treaty with Russia). I think we’ve been sold down the river by a horde of political pimps and panderers. I just don’t know what to do about it. It goes way back. I’m reading Wayne Jett’s excellent book about the FDR years, Fruits of Graft. 1913 set us up and then we got the crap punched out of us. The little farmers went belly up and the big guys stepped in to scoop it up. The New Deal looked good for a while, but the Big Dole has weakened us and made us dependent. We need to be independent again.

    My question for you now is simple: What do we do now? We can’t go down squabbling amongst ourselves. We, or at least a good many of us still, are white men and that used to mean something. I think it still does. We’ve been set up and sold out.

    They shot Kennedy, got a “new Pearl Harbor”, flushed our Constitution down the toilet with the Patriot Act and waged 17 years of pointless and expensive war. Our borders are a joke, our infrastructure crumbles and the MSM distracts us with hoaxes like the LGT — whatever it is — lesbian, gay, transgender, whatever else they can make up — cause. AIPAC has turned our Congress into a whore house. None of this is by design.

    You seem to be a bright guy. Got any ideas? Sorry for the rant. The whole thing just pisses me off. We need a new American Revolution. Thanks for your letter.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  324. What I find troubling is that the US has been a huge backer and provider for Mexico boosting their economy and yet the numbers illegally crossing the border continue. Mexico with highly desirable minerals, oil, vast agricultural production, decent tourism (despite the cartel wars) free education. medical, etc.

    Has not spread their enormous wealth throughout the population. Ranked about 11th behind the UK/Great Britain, It is more than interesting that Mexicans refuse to bargain for a larger share of the country’s wealth, hold their politicians, military and law enforcement accountable for graft and murder and don’t squash the cartels.

    The US did not steal territory from Mexico. Mexico failed to enforce their smart immigration policies and it cost them.

    If this author thinks that Mexicans are smart, industrious, hard working, honest, positive, intelligent, etc. Then one has to explain why Mexico is such a dangerous, hap hazard, unkempt and economically unincentivized place to live.

    And I still hold to the reality that what is taking place is a low level war to regain territory that Mexico gave away via their own management of their immigration laws and practices.

  325. Da Wei says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Smiles! (I can’t work those little icons, either.)

    It’s your brain, Dr., not your words.

    Now, one question about the elliptical to round planetary orbit as cause of Ice Age. To test your hypothesis, have round orbits been observed? Or, extreme elliptical orbits? The idea is very interesting to me. Also, what causes the wave-like variance between extreme elliptical and round. Any ideas? Thanks!

    • Replies: @another fred
  326. @Anon

    Moorish butthole (‘ojete moro’) also she’s got by all accounts.

  327. Alden says:
    @Saxon

    All those wonderful buildings in the Alhambra and other places were built by Christian slaves, including the primo construction and creators of beautiful buildings in the world, Italians. From architects and engineers to lumpers, all Christian slaves.

    Ishafam in Persia is sort of the Shi’a Muslim Vatican It’s a town of glorious mosques, seminaries shrines and housing for the clergy color scheme is blue green white with gold trim.

    It was built by kidnaped European slaves mostly Italians, some Greeks.

    European Craftsmen were the most desired slaves because they could build things the Arabs could not.

  328. @Iberiano

    “their children would be WHITE, moreso than probably Sicilians.”

  329. @SteveRogers42

    A more recent picture:

    middle guy in the upper row died one year ago, and this other guy got nominated:

    (yep, just like you guys would have expected)

    • Replies: @SteveRogers42
  330. Ray gun says:

    Yawn. More of Fredo’s anti-White tripe. What a clown.

  331. @AaronB

    The metaphysics of Latin culture is a wise knowing that the world is an illusion, hardly worth taking seriously at all, a bit of a farce really, and accomplishing things and working hard is something only a poor fool who doesn’t see through life would do.

    I say that a lot of this you describe comes more from fatalism than from epicurism.

    So basically I think this country needs a tremendous dose of Latin culture – sure, we’ll become less wealthy, less powerful, even more dysfunctional, but that’s fantastic.

    Let me just chime in to assure that this will not be fantastic at all.

  332. @Amasius

    It’s the Book of Esther again and again…

  333. Ron Unz says:
    @KenH

    The 10 yr average for deaths from lightning strike is 31 annually.

    That sounds reasonable. Let’s assume ordinary whites are 2/3 of the total, or about 20/year.

    Illegal aliens committed 25,064 murders from 2003 to 2009 or approximately 4200 per year over that period.

    Nope, that’s totally wrong. People always get these things confused. The source refers to total *immigrants*, who constitute about 50M people, of which the illegals are probably only about 1/5 of the total. All studies show that illegal immigrants commit far fewer crimes than legal ones, so the number of homicides by illegals is probably well under 800 per year.

    The key thing is that a large fraction of murders are between friends and relatives, and secondarily within the community. So it’s likely that only a tiny sliver of those 800 homicides by illegals are “stranger homicides” committed against ordinary whites. I’m excluding wives killing husbands or rival gang members shivving each other in prison. I very much doubt that the total is 20 per year.

    I repeat my challenge to opponents. Go to all the hard-core anti-immigration websites like VDare, Breitbart, DailyStormer, and such. Presumably, for the last couple of years they’ve been constantly on the lookout for homicides committed against whites by illegals, or at least by Hispanics in order to boost Trump. If you can’t find even 10 real-life cases during all of 2017, you should admit I’m correct. In fact, I’m not even sure you’d be able to find even ten cases in all of 2016+2017.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @KenH
  334. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    I hate to break it to you, but have you seen the man?! Sami Hayek Dominguez ( Hayek is Lebanese, mestizo Dominguez. Salma’s grandfather was Lebanese):

    https://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20150501/arts-entertainment/salma-hayek-in-tribute-to-her-lebanese-roots.566340

    The mom is Jimenez Medina, whiter mestiza. And since you are evidently not as racist as you think, notice the little daughter. Where do you think she got the very typical dusky skin, from Pinault? Or is it all Lebanese?

    http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Diana+Jimenez+Medina

    It so happens the family are acquaintances.

    As to Cruz, of course it’s just a judgment, but she does not look northern-Spain (Asturias, Navarra, Basque Country or Santander). She looks.. Moorish. Notice the features. Or not, which will probably make you a better person.

  335. syonredux says:
    @AaronB

    Interestingly, another pessimistic Latin, George Santayana, was also an admirer of Anglo cultures, even tho their values and ideals are so opposed.

    But Anglo cultures don’t produce figures like Santayana or Borges, and are based on a very different view of life.

    Santayana grew-up in Boston, and attended the Boston Latin School and Harvard.So, his cultural environment was quite Anglo.

    And I’ve already noted the degree to which Borges’ early life was spent in an intensely Anglo atmosphere (Borges’ father, Jorge Guillermo Borges Haslam , was half-English, and his childhood home was English-speaking).

    In my view, being too First World is not healthy, and we can use some Third World values and attitudes.

    I can’t conjure much enthusiasm for Latinx death cults….

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolfo_Constanzo

  336. syonredux says:
    @Ron Unz

    The key thing is that a large fraction of murders are between friends and relatives, and secondarily within the community. So it’s likely that only a tiny sliver of those 800 homicides by illegals are “stranger homicides” committed against ordinary whites. I’m excluding wives killing husbands or rival gang members shivving each other in prison. I very much doubt that the total is 20 per year.

    I repeat my challenge to opponents. Go to all the hard-core anti-immigration websites like VDare, Breitbart, DailyStormer, and such. Presumably, for the last couple of years they’ve been constantly on the lookout for homicides committed against whites by illegals, or at least by Hispanics in order to boost Trump.

    Perhaps I’m just too Anglo, Ron, but I don’t like seeing lots of people of any race/ethnicity being murdered on American soil. And that means that I don’t think that Latinx-on-Latinx murders in the USA are OK. Again, I’m probably just being an Anglo fuddy-duddy…..

  337. aandrews says:

    Fred, do you think that Mexico is an “outhouse country,” like your very best friend in the whole wide world, John Derbyshire thinks?

  338. Saxon says:
    @Alden

    This is not reflected in today’s DNA tests in which white Americans are overwhelmingly 100% European ancestry. I think you’re just lying to create a fake history here, friend.

    • Replies: @Truth
  339. @aandrews

    A. Andrews, Mr. Reed has defended Mexico as a 1st rate up-and-coming economic powerhouse in a couple other of his columns, so I’m sure he’d answer in the negative. I would have to agree with him part-way; only the narco-terrorist controlled areas and the border towns are shitholes. Mexico is something around the 15th biggest economy, and I’m sure the white elites and small middle class may feel it’s a decent place to live.

    ANOTHER VDare guy (like I said, they have all the expertise) named Allan Wall had lived in Mexico with his family as long as Fred now has. Mr. Wall writes the “Memo from Middle America” column, formerly “Memo from Mexico” and “Spoken in Spanish“. He is very fair and has no animosity for most individuals on either side of this issue, but he still speaks the truth on the immigration invasion. Mr. Reed must be worried about his wife’s opinion, as I wrote above. The term “pussy-whipped” still comes to mind.

    BTW, your sarcastic remark about Fred’s opinion about John Derbyshire illustrates what I wrote about above and under a different Reed column earlier: What I don’t like especially is how Mr. Reed has distain for anyone, anywhere, who writes about hard solutions to America’s problems. That includes Jared Taylor, who is the nicest, most soft-spoken guy about all of this stuff. This sounds like another south-o-the-border trait, Mr. Reed has picked up the attitude: “Oh well, it’s in the hands of the gods, just fate now … time for our siesta.”

  340. @aandrews

    One more thing about these monikers, Mr. Andrews. I wouldn’t call Mexico a “shithole”, but I have called it a “Banana Republic” – that was not accurate either, but I meant it in the sense of the words of the great Steve Goodman-written, Jimmy Buffet song with that name.

    Bringing up that 1970′s song is apropos to anything Mr. Reed writes on his new life, as he is what you call an ex-patriated American (no, nothing to do with patriotism – it’s a different root word). I have written to him on here that he may have a slanted view on his great life in Mexico, as he is living on the (still, for now) almighty US dollar. It’s easy to get by nicely in lots of foreign countries when receiving some $1500 monthly in dollars from SS or a pension or royalties or blogging pay, especially for a single guy – think of the women too! Fred did, and I’m not knocking that. I might seriously do this, were I single myself.

    However, I had written as a warning to Mr. Reed, that once the dollar falls, and it will, he will be living as a Mexican in Mexico, not an ex-patriate with the nice big-money coming in, relatively speaking. I hope he saves in Yuan or gold too. Here it is: “Down to the Banana Republics, goes Fred Reed”.

    • Replies: @Truth
  341. Bill Jones says: • Website
    @Fidelios Automata

    Which ‘millions would die” if there was a mass round up of illegals ?
    Why is that a bad thing?

  342. @Da Wei

    A round orbit can only exist in a pure two-body system, so no, none observed.

    Long period comets have extremely eccentric (elliptical) orbits.

    The “wave like variance” is caused by the presence of other gravitational bodies, mostly the gas giants and mostly Jupiter.

    • Replies: @another fred
  343. @another fred

    correction: A stable round orbit can only exist in a pure two-body system, so no, none observed.

    It may be argued that orbits pass very briefly through what for all intents and purposes is a round configuration as the eccentricity varies, but that’s more of an academic argument.

    • Replies: @another fred
    , @Da Wei
  344. @Rurik

    you didn’t see the dripping sarcasm?

    even after rereading that comment, no, there was no sarcasm :) you need to own your words.

    I think that the Obama administration poured over every single issue with the unspoken but universal intention of fucking over as many middle and working class white men as they possibly could. I think it was and is their obsession. I think the Democrat party today is verily defined by a visceral hatred for all things ‘working class white man’. And a universal determination to see us even more marginalized and disenfranchised and fucked over- even more than we already are- drives their every decision.

    Yes, that’s what I think.

    that is pretty wild. but it is your opinion. I can’t argue with opinions. anyone can have an opinion.

    as the world ignored the racist theft of the farms and homes and even rape and murder of the whites of Zimbabwe, I knew that it was broadcasting it’s values, by it’s silence.

    ehh, it is simply the media not reporting anything the us govt deem not worthy. if reports of what you wrote appears on the msm, the govt would need to intervene. every place that usa don’t want to intervene/invade = silence. it is how the msm works. it is the mouth piece that gets the stupid masses ready for war.

    just like the white victims of black crime. Not a peep.

    I live in nyc, my local news shows plenty of crimes, of those crimes, plenty were videos of black men committing those crimes. I can’t speak for else where. and I also don’t see the cover up.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Rurik
  345. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    It’s fairly common to put black crime on a low burner or to avoid mentioning the race of the perp where possible. Lawrence Auster among others covered this pretty well. Did you even hear about the black guy who shot up a white church this year as opposed to that Roof guy?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  346. @another fred

    I just looked at Wikipedia and am reminded that other circular orbits are theoretically possible, for example where two bodies are on opposite sides of a third at the center, but I doubt this could exist any more than a pure two body situation could.

    That’s the last I will say lest this get like a Spanish Inquisition sketch. (too late?)

  347. Rurik says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    there was no sarcasm :)

    white folks opposed to massive non-white immigration into their lands = evil Nazis

    I guess the sarcasm wasn’t as obvious as I had hoped

    it is your opinion.

    when the cackling hag called us “irredeemable”, who do you think she was talking about? And why?

    if it’s a mystery, then there’s not much I can say to enlighten you

    ehh, it is simply the media not reporting anything the us govt deem not worthy.

    bingo!

    and that is uniformly controlled across the entire Western world. The whites of Zimbabwe really had closer ties to England than the ZUS, but there too, it was silence.

    if you can’t see the pall of politically correct = (whitey is evil) discourse suffocating any honest discussion about world events, then there again, there’s not much I can do for you at this point.

    I live in nyc, my local news shows plenty of crimes

    you’re not that dumb

    I’m not talking about local news. I’m talking about The Bullhorn

    I’m talking about Travon

    I’m talking about the Duke Lacrosse “rapists”

    or ‘hands up, don’t shoot’

    the local news in Wichita mentioned the Wichita massacre, but from the MSM, there were crickets

    Channon Christian’s fate has been reported in Knoxville, but never on MSNBCNNBCBSABC…

    No president has ever said Channon could have been his daughter

    if you haven’t noticed the OBVIOUS bias in reporting, not just (horrific racial crimes) in heartland America, but atrocities like Operation Cast Lead, or the callous murder of a wheelchair bound Abu Thurayeh, (with a sniper’s bullet paid for by the US tax-slave) then I’m sorry, but you’re either brain dead or disingenuous.

    We were all thronged with thunderous and ubiquitous lies about Saddam’s WMD. From the length and breadth of the Western world’s media and politicians. That it all turned out to be agenda-driven lies is telling, for those of us with functioning brains.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  348. @Anon

    I get my news from reddit everyday. I saw it. msm reports on it. https://www.google.com/search?q=black%20guy%20who%20shot%20up%20a%20white%20church%202017 the speculated motive appears to be revenge for the shooting of the black church.

    you are right about headlines not mentioning his race. but the articles do.

    were there articles with headlines on the roof guy mentioning his race? or was he just the roof guy?

  349. @Rurik

    having an opinion is totally fine, but you need to own your words. this is the UNZ, where you can’t edit your way out.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  350. Rurik says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    you need to own your words

    Okay, fine!

    white folks opposed to massive non-white immigration into their lands = evil Nazis

    and not just evil Nazis!

    they’re deplorable! They’re irredeemable!

    they want to kill all non-whites and bring back slavery and they mostly want to gas the Jews!!!!

    anyone who doesn’t demand that ALL Mexicans have a thousand times more right to live in N. America than the racist-KKK, gun-owning, pickup truck driving, carbon footprint making, goose stepping Nazis who’re afraid of their bodily fluids = are all NAZIS!!!!

    they hate everybody!! that’s all they do is hate, hate, hate all day long!

    they give Roman salutes to photos of Hitler every morning when they wake up!

    they have Holocaust ovens in their basements that they put dolls in and make soap from the fat!

    they’ve been conducting a massive right-wing conspiracy against Hillary for decades because they hate women most of all!!!

    if they could, they would kill every woman and make them all stay in the kitchen and bake hamburgers!!!

    they eat meat and hate all animals too!

    there’s nothing too horrible about these racists! They’d all go into black churches and shoot little old church ladies unless we can get their evil guns from them!!!

    (OK, I am having some fun with this, but I must go)

    everything I just wrote is absolutely, 1000000000% the God’s honest truth!!!!!

    anyone who questions any part of it is a Nazi and hates all people and wants to kill them all!!!!!

  351. @Lars Porsena

    Are you sure Mexico really wants that? The CPS Benito Juarez Academy on Cermak Road flies the Mexican flag the last time I looked a few years back. The adjacent park has a Benito Juarez Plaza that has statues of Mexican “heroes” paid for by the Mexican Consulate. Clearly the Mexican government wants Mexicans born and educated in the US to think Mexican rather than American.

    https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g35805-d10405428-Reviews-Benito_Juarez_Plaza-Chicago_Illinois.html

  352. TWS says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Well she was on several news papers (not the covers of any liberal rags of course), television shows, mention in radio programs, the floor of congress, boring things like that.

  353. TWS says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Good point citizens can stay. Illegals have to go back. And no new immigration until we’ve digested this massive lump.

  354. TWS says:
    @Roman

    He wants to get elected to office in California. Plus he’s stubborn and won’t look at what’s right in front of his eyes.

  355. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Da Wei

    Well stated, I agree completely that our country has been in the grip of a parasitic rent-seeking elite for quite a while. As I’m a Millennial myself I don’t think I’ve yet gained enough worldly experience to have formulated any comprehensive solutions of my own, but I do think it’s helpful to vote for people (such as Trump) who at least pay lip service to addressing the issues one cares about (such as illegal immigration) while they’re on the campaign trail. Many of them may disappoint once they’re actually in office, which may lead many (including plenty of folks who comment on this website) to conclude that our democracy is a complete sham and you’re wasting your time by voting at all. I can’t completely disagree with that sentiment, but I think enough votes for such politicians at least sends a message to some within our political class that there’s real grassroots support for anti-Invade the World/Invite the World policies, for whatever that’s worth. Though all in all, it sadly seems like the powers that be have us backed into a corner for now, which is why most of us just resort to venting about it online (heh).

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  356. polskijoe says:
    @Alejo

    Apparently the USAmericans have several “racial” categories and then an option to select Hispanic as an “ethnic” measure.

    You would select “white” and “Hispanic” I think.

    I think they rarely have census for ethnicities, and then you would write down, Polish and German.

    As for language selections I am not sure. They may ask what you speak at home?

    (as someone who has seen census from many countries, I believe the US one is poorly done).

  357. @Thorfinnsson

    Indeed. Israel, the light unto the nations, has given us an example we can follow to deal with such matters.

  358. Truth says:
    @Saxon

    The Calderburys and the Rumplethorpes have shared their DNA results with you?

    • Replies: @Anon
  359. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    And the strange thing is, the old white guy on Social Security/disability/military pension, just seems, for some reason I cannot understand, too stupid to understand this:

    “Oh the locals are so nice to me here!”

    Yes, because you keep seven of them employed you fucking dumbass!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  360. @Truth

    Yes, very true, Truth. The main thing is that the dollar is still King.

    “I get my laundry done by a girl for $2 a week, the rent is only $300, I can get short-term girlfriends for $50 even on the weekends, blah, blah.” Hey, I believe it, and like I said, it sounds pretty damn good to me too, were I by myself.

    Once the dollar finally goes down the toilet, it’ll be the expatriated-American doing all the work, and yes, “none of the natives are buying any second-hand American dreams”. Great lyrics by Steve Goodman.

  361. Robert Dunn says: • Website

    Methinks Fred Reed is not aware that we are in a war for our survival with regular US workers and the alt-right the only ones not profiting off of it. It’s hard to study the progenitors and advocates of multiculturalism and ‘diversity’ and NOT recognize the abysmal hatred of Euro-Americans and their culture (which has been the foundation of American greatness since our nation’s birth!) to the degree of stated fantasies of white genocide! What with the left’s renewed adoration of Oprah Winfrey it’s important to go back to her interview where she said ‘Old white people must die!’ while biting off the words! And with what devotion and gratitude the DACA dreamers will have with blanket amnesty when they shun the English language and only ally themselves with the flag of Mexico showing deep down they regard parts of America as still belonging to Mexico or as many of the ‘protesters’ chanted during anti-Trump protests in San Jose, CA ‘MAKE AMERICA MEXICO AGAIN!’ The alt-right are awake – would that the rest of us were!

  362. Iberiano says:
    @Anon

    Yes, Hayek (a Lebanese surname) is Lebanese on her father’s side…probably Phoenician (white) extract, more than Arab (invader) Lebanese. Her mom is most likely a high Mestizo (75 Spain/25 indio).

    Both Cruz and Banderas are most likely a bit Moorish…would not be surprised if both share genes with Tunisians, Algerians and Libyans. Like being part indigenous in S. America, both of them being only part Moor does not really matter–both would be considered White in the greater Hispanic world, ESPECIALLY around black and indian hispanics.

    Shakira is also an arab mix, I believe. She is also rather white and would be considered one, and in fact, I would bet she considers herself white if around actual, legit Mestizos. No one would mistake her for the “help”.

    • Replies: @Anon
  363. Da Wei says:
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous, I am encouraged by the intelligence and reasoned tone of your statements. You describe yourself as a Millennial, and I take that to mean you are in your 20s or 30s. I’ve always resented older people posing as wiser, and now that I am considerably older myself, I will not presume wisdom. (When we think we know it all we learn no more.) I will only say that in November, 1963, when a co-worker walked up to me and said they’d shot the president, I could never have grasped the enormity of that event. In those days, there were forums for men to gather and express ideas, forums that do not exist today. This internet forum we have here is as close as I’ve found to that. The quality of life in America has deteriorated, our country has been railroaded and I have no idea of what can be done about it. How we can instill a sense of loyalty or even common decency in some people — from the influential politicians to the regular guy on the street — is beyond me. How we can take back our country from the banking crooks and the Zionist lobby and what Paul Roberts calls the military-security complex is the great challenge we face. I am moved to tell a little about my own experience.

    I left the country, fed up with race and gender politics, and have lived in Asia for over a decade. (This place has borders and no PC, period.) I return to California for visits and plan to return permanently, but I confess, with some reluctance. I don’t say this simply to be autobiographical, but to explain that the distance has widened my perspective on my own country. We are not served by our disingenuous media, nor by our politicians. They have sold us down the river, to use that Huckleberry Finn phrase. Now, the occasions I have to discuss the USA with this degree of openness are few and far between and are reserved for those times when I am back home with my old pals. Even then, most of them don’t want to hear it. The dismay has fatigued them, I guess, as it has me.

    But, you have not given up either hope nor zeal, and I am grateful to hear your down to earth reasonableness. I, myself, have no remedy that you have not already expressed. Reading your letter this morning was a refreshing experience. Thanks, and please keep on punching and moving. Don’t let the bastards get you in a corner. And Good Luck.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  364. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Iberiano

    Yes, largely agree. From what I’ve observed, Arabs-Lebanese self-segregate, as do Spanish-descended, the two not liking to mix, nor do they consider themselves culturally similar. It’s not just skin color. Shakira of course is Arab. An attractive woman is less likely to be perceived as help, in general, though actresses often can’t quite cut it as old-fashioned upper class.

  365. Da Wei says:
    @another fred

    Thanks, fred. I take it, then, that extremely eccentric orbits are not found in planets to the extent and duration that would account for an ice age. Is that right?

  366. @Da Wei

    That is correct, Earth’s orbit is pretty close to circular (you can google that). Wikipedia has a pretty good write-up on the Milankovic theory that gives a good abstract of most of the things that people think cause our current cycle of glaciations and interglacials. But keep in mind as you read that the theory has all kinds of holes in it and we really don’t quite know what is going on. All of the things they list are known or supposed forcings to a very complex chaotic system and we can’t pin it all down precisely.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

    The article says, Milankovic did not know about apsidal precession and this factor (follow the link in the article to Orbital Inclination) may have a shot at explaining a lot. It depends on whether or not the sun has a (so far invisible) diffuse disk (more like Uranus, not thick like Saturn) and just how much dust is in it (See 100,000 year problem). There is still a lot to learn.

  367. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Truth

    Would those be the white Rumplethorpes or the black Rumplethorpes?

  368. @Da Wei

    Here I go with another Spanish Inquisitions Sketch.

    Thanks, fred. I take it, then, that extremely eccentric orbits are not found in planets to the extent and duration that would account for an ice age. Is that right?

    Eccentricity is considered one of the factors, it just will not fit the data by itself or even predominantly.

    If you are looking this ice age in general, the most popular theory is that the closing of the Isthmus of Panama about 5 million years ago had a lot to do with the beginning of the Pleistocene, but understand there have been other ice ages in earth’s history.

    For another theory (less widely accepted) about a major factor for ice ages (the long periods, not glacials and interglacials) read about Nir Shaviv’s ideas. Like the earth bobbing up and down in a dust cloud around the sun the sun bobs up and down through the central plane of the galaxy plus in and out of spiral arms (which are density waves) and encounters more dust in the plane and arms and more cosmic rays.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nir_Shaviv

    • Replies: @Da Wei
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
  369. KenH says:
    @Ron Unz

    Nope, that’s totally wrong. People always get these things confused.

    Are you arguing that the investigator and stats compiler cited in The Hill link is conflating homicides by legal immigrants with those of illegal aliens, thus artificially inflating the illegal alien homicide rate? If so, what methods or sources did you use to arrive at this conclusion?

    The author was quite clear that the cited homicide rates of 25,064 from 2003-2009 were attributable only to the illegal alien population:
    To extrapolate out these statistics, this means that a population of just over 3.5 percent residing in the U.S. unlawfully committed 22 percent to 37 percent of all murders in the nation. This is astounding.

    I don’t dispute that a big chunk of these homicides are probably intra-ethnic/intra-racial likely involving gangs and drugs, but either way it dispels claims that mestizos are a model minority.

    One problem that I see is that once children of illegal alien parents and anchor babies grow up (they grow up so fast) and commit homicide and other violent crimes those conceivably are counted as crimes by “citizens” thanks to the treasonous and creative interpretation of the 14th amendment which holds that any featherless biped born on U.S. soil is automatically a citizen.

    If we set aside homicide rates and just focus on non-homicide violent crimes then per DOJ statistics as of 2012/2013 “Hispanics” committed 487K violent crimes against whites and are 8 times more likely to commit violent crime against whites than the reverse. If only 10% of these violent crimes are committed by illegal aliens (48,700) then whites are far more likely to be victimized by a mestizo/Latino perpetrator than struck by lightning.

    https://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  370. @Da Wei

    If I may:

    Please stop your exaggerated imagination for the second.

    If it took about 10 thousand ears to get into ice age it simply means that the orbit of the earth about the sun did not had to change so much.
    All it had to change to the extent that enthalpy which earth was receiving from the sun become less than entropy the earth surface was giving out into the space.

  371. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Da Wei

    Thanks for your kind words. I remember my mother telling me that she cried on the day Kennedy was assassinated (she was still a preteen girl then); if only she knew the broader implications of what had happened perhaps she’d have cried even harder.

  372. Da Wei says:
    @another fred

    Thanks, fred. This is going to keep me busy for a while. I’ve made note of both sites, Milankovitch and Nir Shaviv, and will check on them later.

    I am reluctant to get off the Unz site at the moment, because accessing the site is at times problematic. Last night, half a dozen attempts proved futile. After long waits, I kept getting a blank screen, save the words “unable to access. insufficient data” or some such words. Other sites could be accessed, but not Unz. This morning it was slow going, but finally Unz came through on the screen. I wonder if other viewers have this problem. I am outside the USA, but use a vpn to access through SF or LA, so my own actual location shouldn’t matter..

    You obviously know what you’re talking about with reference to astronomy and weather changes. Let me ask you this: What is your opinion of the Global Warming issue? Do you think it is a result of fossil fuel, natural climatic changes, political and economic interests, or what? I know that’s a big question and economics always plays into it. Carbon tax is only one instance. What’s your take on the global warming issue: bullshit or genuine problem? Thanks very much for your advice. Or, as the other fred might say, Gracias!

    • Replies: @another fred
  373. @Da Wei

    I wonder if other viewers have this problem.

    Yes, a fair amount the last two days. I don’t know if it is the internet generally, but I think it is an Unz.com problem. Not just me but others too.

    I believe climate change is real, but not nearly as large a problem as the alarmists make it out to be. Plus, there is virtually nothing we can do until large scale bio fuels become a reality with a good net energy yield. Nuclear power would help, but so far there is too much opposition.

    We can and will adjust until larger problems come along (and they are coming).

    If you look at the footnotes on the Milankovic page you will see that there is plenty of disagreement about details.

    • Replies: @Da Wei
  374. Ron Unz says:
    @KenH

    Are you arguing that the investigator and stats compiler cited in The Hill link is conflating homicides by legal immigrants with those of illegal aliens, thus artificially inflating the illegal alien homicide rate?…The author was quite clear that the cited homicide rates of 25,064 from 2003-2009 were attributable only to the illegal alien population

    Yes, his figures are just total nonsense. You shouldn’t believe everything some random retired cop writes in some blog-post on the Internet.

    It’s pretty obvious how he got confused. He apparently found some government total for murders committed by “immigrants,” which probably described them as “criminal immigrants” (obviously immigrants who commit murder are “criminals.”) And he then assumed that “criminal immigrants” are “illegal immigrants” even though probably 80% of them were here legally.

    That he presented such utterly ridiculous figures with realizing it demonstrates how totally ignorant he is of the entire subject.

    Here’s a challenge to you and anyone else. If you track down the government document and his figures are actually correct, I will publicly declare that despite closely following immigration issues for thirty years, I am totally astonished and my worldview has been forever changed. But if his figures are wrong just like I claim, perhaps you should admit that I actually know what I’m talking about.

    Finally, let me repeat my earlier challenge. If you really believe that illegal immigrants are murdering even 50 ordinary white people each year (out of 15,000 total homicides), just go browse around VDare, Breitbart, and the Daily Stormer, and find me the names of ten of the victims during 2017. If you can’t find even just such a small handful of real-life cases, maybe you should admit it’s all just an Internet “urban legend,” much like ignorant leftists who always imagine that the KKK is lynching blacks all across the South.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
    , @KenH
  375. @another fred

    It is all garbage. Only My theory is right. But I thank you for Your references, particularly Milankovitch.

    Tilting of the axe of earth has nothing to do ice age. That is stupidity. Tilting of the axe of earth has only effect at temperature distribution.

    I was guessing the cycle earth is going through as 40 thousand years.
    There was one astronomer claiming that the cycle is 41 thousand years.

    I would say that is pretty good.
    There was one guess 100 thousand years.

    Anyway! I was under impression that my theory is revolutionary. Unfortunately it is not.

    The only thing what can cause distortion of earth trajectory from circular to elliptical would be linear alignment of some of the planets that are further away from the sun.

    So it is up to astronomers and mathematician to prove or disprove the our theory.

    • Replies: @another fred
  376. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Only My theory is right.

    If you prove even a small part of your stuff on the Greek race thread you will win a Nobel Prize.

    Good luck.

  377. @Ron Unz

    I look forward to someone providing data concerning Ron’s challenge. I would think there would have been at least fifty illegal immigrant murders of whites in the state of Texas alone. Unfortunately, obituaries usually don’t mention the fact someone has been murdered and trying to compile data from police files might prove a frustrating endeavor since the words “illegal immigrant” would probably be expunged.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  378. Ron Unz says:
    @Simply Simon

    Okay, while everybody’s off digging through the 2017 archives of Breitbart and DailyStormer to find ten ordinary white murder victims of Hispanic illegals, let propose a *tremendously* easier task…

    Murders are almost always reported in the local news, especially if the victims are ordinary white people killed in street crimes by strangers (rather than e.g. gang members shooting each other or wives stabbing husbands).

    While the majority of blacks have Anglo-Saxon names, almost all Hispanics have very distinct names. So they’re extremely easy to identify in reported murder cases.

    Instead of just focusing on illegals, let’s see how many cases you can find of ordinary white people killed in street crimes by *any* Hispanics, legal or otherwise. Since probably something like 85% of Hispanics are legal, that total would obviously be many times higher.

    There are over 50M Hispanics in America and 15,000 annual homicides, so surely you can find at least a few dozen cases of Hispanics who killed whites in street crimes during 2017.

  379. wayfarer says:

    Guess which state has the highest poverty rate in the United States?

    California, where nearly one out of five residents is poor.

    source: https://pjmedia.com/trending/whats-matter-california/

    Bienvenido, Se Habla Español!
    Sanctuary San Diego, California
    Mexico – Estados Unidos Border Wall

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border

    …..

  380. Look Mr Unz, if you are directing that challenge at me forget it. For all I know you may be entirely correct and if you are, so much the better. I’m almost ninety years old and attempting to survive in this insane world I live in. One of the drawbacks of being old, besides age is that I can vividly remember when the United States was a very sane place to live. In the 1930s and 40s our population was fairly stable at 130 million. Not much rush hour traffic. Majority of intercity travel was by train, but if in a hurry one could fly between LA and New York by twin engine DC-3 with a top speed of 150kts. AM radio was the primary way of obtaining the most current news and entertainment for the masses in the form of shows like Amos and Andy (Whoops, too racist to be aired today) Jack Benny, Fibber McGee and Molly to name a few. I don’t recall any news stories about illegal immigration. Oh yes there was that statue in New York harbor that stated something about “huddled masses” coming to our shores. But suddenly after 1965, the huddled masses turned into a veritable invasion increasing our population to its present 330 plus million. It is impossible to know how many of those immigrants could be labelled illegal. By now that is an academic argument. The door is attempting to be locked after the robbery has taken place. There are many of us on this site who believe immigration legal or otherwise should come to a stop until things can be sorted out. Unfortunately there are others, primarily in the Democratic Party who see continued immigration from the non-white nations of the world as a never ending source of votes for their party, damn the consequences. To argue otherwise is to deny reality.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  381. Ron Unz says:
    @Simply Simon

    Well, I certainly don’t dispute the fact that the impact of heavy immigration, both legal and illegal, is a very mixed bag, and has probably been much more negative than positive for the last couple of decades. In fact, I’ve published tens of thousands of words analyzing this situation, and you might want to take a look at some of my articles:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

    But claiming that immigrants, including Hispanic illegals, have high crime rates is just factually incorrect, and also counter-productive since it destroys your credibility on all related issues.

  382. wayfarer says:

    Here’s a random sample of data, for crime in the city of Los Angeles, California.

    On the LAPD’s top most wanted list, 100% of the criminal suspects have Hispanic surnames.
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/top_ten_most_wanted

    On the LAPD’s most wanted list, at least 85% or more of the criminal suspects have Hispanic surnames.
    source: http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

    Hispanics account for approximately 47.5% of the total population in Los Angeles, California.
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Los_Angeles

  383. @Ron Unz

    People who are not able to support themselves and do not have any means of support eventually resort to crime.
    Yes of course there are the welfare checks but most of these people have a higher requirements in life that welfare is providing.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  384. wayfarer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    People who are not able to support themselves and do not have any means of support eventually resort to crime.

    Yes of course there are the welfare checks but most of these people have a higher requirements in life that welfare is providing.

    It doesn’t sound like you live in the “sanctuary state” of California.

    Because if you did, it should be obvious that these “people” lack for nothing.

    I spent decades working with Latin American immigrants in California, as well as standing in breadlines with them. In any human population, rich or poor, there will be takers and there will be givers.

    The takers often end up in jail, and are typically those who want more than their fair share.

    Simply entering the U.S. illegally, is a form of taking. As one selfishly takes it upon himself/herself to cut in front of the legal immigration line.

  385. Ron Unz says:

    Here’s an amusing clip from Hannity’s show on FoxNews:

    Apparently, they sent a news crew out to California to interview people on the street regarding what they thought of the new law establishing California as a “sanctuary state” for illegal immigrants. To their shock and dismay, almost every Californian they interviewed supported the idea.

    People aren’t total fools, and although a few silly activists on various websites can rant and rave about illegal immigrants committing an enormous amount of crime or murdering lots of white people, almost no one who actually lives here believes such nonsense. They trust the evidence of their own eyes and ears rather than what some agitated blogger says somewhere.

    For example, I live in the SF Bay Area, and I read my local newspapers every morning. I think over 1M Hispanics live in the region, with hundreds of thousands of them being illegal. Homicides are always covered in the newspapers, partly because they’re so rare and serious crime is so low. During all of 2017, I can’t remember a single case of a Hispanic, legal or otherwise, murdering a white person in a street crime, though I suppose I might have missed one…

    • Replies: @KenH
  386. Lana Kane says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    You can add another to your list of “viable” options: get all the hispanics to overdose on opioids in response to their declining numbers, influence on society, and lack of general relevance in the schem…oh, wait, I forgot that that option was reserved for working class whites, who do indeed have these social characteristics.

    I’m reading numbers like 60000 a year bumping themselves off because they are the new Indians, as far as TPTB are concerned (and OxyContin is cheaper to manufacture than new land for reservations). That’s what, 1500-1800 a day? Reminds me of a certain Blue Oyster Cult song.

    That’s how hey do it. Along with the surveillance, police state tactics, and empty political promises from your eunuch president (how’s that wall comin’?). For you to wish your own “options” on others almost makes me glad that they have your hash settled. Almost (some of my best friends are white, and I do happen to believe the genocide is both real and premeditated).

  387. wayfarer says:

    What Los Angeles Residents Think of a Sanctuary City

    Powerful Argument Against Sanctuary Cities in America

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  388. Ron Unz says:
    @wayfarer

    What Los Angeles Residents Think of a Sanctuary City

    Well, I took a look at the first click, showing some black guy denouncing illegal immigrants in Los Angeles. It’s also interesting that just about the only person the FoxNews crew talked to who opposed California’s “sanctuary state” was also black. This isn’t completely surprising since blacks tend to be *extremely* hostile to immigrants, and since they’re totally immune from PC restrictions, are always spouting off about how much they hate whites, Hispanics, Asians, gays, Jews, and everyone else.

    But here’s a crucial fact. Although California has by far the lowest black population of any large state, they commit an *astonishing* fraction of all the serious crime and homicides, and this is true across the entire country as well, as I’ve discussed extensively in my articles over the years:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/race-and-crime-in-america/

    For example, in the SF Bay Area where I live, blacks are only about 3% of the population but I’d guess they commit something like 40% of all the serious crime, though the MSM is obviously far too PC and chicken to ever discuss this.

    Indeed, I strongly suspect that one reason immigrants, including Hispanic illegals, are so popular is that lots of people quietly recognize that they end to drive out blacks, thereby making life enormously much safer for everyone else in the surrounding areas.

    So it wouldn’t surprise me if blacks were just about the only group in CA strongly opposed to illegal immigrants.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  389. @Ron Unz

    I never made the claim that immigrants, including Hispanic illegals have high crime rates. I would be happy to accept your data that in fact the crime rates are very low, indeed that would be a benefit to our society. Having said that I deeply resent your statement that my comments destroy my credibility on all related issues, what ever they might be.

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  390. @ThirdWorldSteveReader

    Thank you for this information.

    ( I wouldn’t have expected that the new Justice would look like a Special Forces operator or MMA fighter. Is there a new trend in Brazil for trial by combat? This guy would win every case!)

  391. Ron Unz says:
    @Simply Simon

    I never made the claim that immigrants, including Hispanic illegals have high crime rates… Having said that I deeply resent your statement that my comments destroy my credibility on all related issues, what ever they might be.

    My apologies. But just about every other commenter on this thread whom I was arguing with was making that exact claim, and I vaguely assumed that you weren’t an exception. So I was using the word “your” in the plural.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  392. wayfarer says:
    @Ron Unz

    I didn’t think you’d post those videos. It took some courage, on your part. Thanks so much for allowing all points views to be represented here on UR. Hopefully beneficial truths will emerge.

    It’s probably safe to say that the human species has almost reached a critical mass. With this fact there are dire consequences, somehow required by universal law and divine providence.

    As an example we seem to be witnessing an accelerated dance of cause-and-effect. At times bearing swift bloodshed and sorrows, and at other times bearing charitable brotherhood and joys.

    I’ll admit to harboring feelings of loathing and spite, but goodwill and understanding as well. Life’s lessons always seem to be bitter-sweet, both at the bottom and the top of civilization.

    I wouldn’t trade lessons learned from a life in poverty, for all the money in this world. They’ve tempered my soul in ways that a life in wealth never would have.

    This tsunami of immigrants sweeping over the American south-west and California in particular has made life more challenging than I’d ever expected. It’s definitely a raising of the bar, as I’m trying my best to adapt and overcome the challenge, and not give up to be swept away in its relentless current.

    As a species our toughest days appear to lie ahead. I’m hoping this time around humanity somehow surprises itself, and proves that the human spirit is in fact constructed from pure light and unconditional love.

    Hoping to have brought a small spark of light to UR.

    …..

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  393. KenH says:
    @Ron Unz

    This “random, retired cop” investigated violent crimes in the Hispanic community and speaks Spanish so I think he knows the difference between an illegal Mestizo alien and legal Mestizo immigrant. He’s no less qualified or credible than you. As for the source, I have my differences with The Hill, but it’s not some obscure blog making outlandish claims. In fact, it’s a widely read political journal based in D.C. whose writers are regularly featured on FOX, CNN and other major news stations.

    Your claim that he’s ignorant and confused concerning “immigrant vs “alien(s)” was not supported by any evidence on your part. The use of “immigrant” in lieu of “alien” doesn’t necessarily connote legal status of the alien offender especially since illegal alien is racist and mean and the proper, PC term is undocumented immigrant.

    Here’s the document and it’s quite easy to find:

    https://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

    The report bears the title “Criminal Alien Statistics”. Page 21 clearly shows 25,064 “criminal aliens” arrested for homicide. Appendix I explains the data represents year 2003 through 2009 as well as the margin of error. Is the Government Accounting Office also badly confused in your expert opinion?

    Finally, I did not come onto this thread with guns blazing making bold claims that illegal aliens are offing white people in sizable numbers. I only tried to dispel your claim that a white person is more likely to be struck by lightning than murdered by an illegal alien. You might very well be right, but it’s very hard to prove or disprove since the available data doesn’t drill down this far and from things I’ve read states and localities conceal this information from the public view for politically correct reasons, so we’re left to speculate with whatever’s available in the public domain.

    So your claim that 31 or fewer whites are murdered annually by illegal aliens has about as much merit as if I claimed that 500 whites are being murdered by illegals on an annual basis.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  394. KenH says:
    @Ron Unz

    For example, I live in the SF Bay Area, and I read my local newspapers every morning.

    You’re naive enough to think the local paper is being completely forthright about violent crime? The local paper in the mid sized city I live in sometimes omits pictures and speaks euphemistically to conceal the race of the offenders in murder cases. But usually when they provide the general area and the name of say, Latavius Washington or Lagorgeous Jefferson as the offenders you can kind of assume they might be black. Or maybe Jose Garza but they never, ever reveal whether Jose is here legally or not.

    Photos of the victims are rarely included especially if the victim is white. Usually the only cases where pictures of both the offender and the victim are included is in cases of white on white violent crime.

    Recently, I became acquainted with someone who has a family member on the police force and he tells me half the bad things that occur don’t even make the newspapers and it’s probably no different in the San Fran bay area or any other big city.

    Just because all might be quiet on the San Franciscan front doesn’t mean it is so everywhere else in America.

  395. Ron Unz says:
    @KenH

    Here’s the document and it’s quite easy to find:

    Thanks for locating the GAO document, which proves *exactly* what I was saying. The ignorant ex-cop got things mixed up just the way I suspected. The first two sentences in the entire document read:

    The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) estimated that as of fiscal year 2009 the total alien—non U.S.-citizen—population was about 25.3 million, including about 10.8 million aliens without lawful immigration status. Some aliens have been convicted and incarcerated (criminal aliens).

    Thus, his “criminal alien” total includes both *legal* and *illegal* immigrants, while he claimed it referred solely to the latter.

    Furthermore, quickly glancing at the document leads me to believe he may have made a *vastly* greater additional mistake. It looks like the data concerns all “criminal aliens” incarcerated during the years in question, rather than the number newly *arrested* for crimes during that period. So the 25,000 total would represent the total number of “criminal alien” murderers behind bars, including for homicides committed 5, 10 or even 20 years earlier. Assuming the average murderer serves a dozen years in prison, 25,000 murderers behind bars means about 2,000 non-citizen murderers sentenced per year, which is roughly what I’d been guessing.

    I’m busy with my own work so I only very quickly glanced at the document, and you should definitely double-check my interpretation. But assuming I’m correct, his claims were off by about an order-of-magnitude, proving that ex-cops shouldn’t write blog-posts on sociological topics they clearly don’t understand.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @Rurik
  396. V says:
    @Rurik

    If you ask the Mexicans themselves. of course they’re going to be all for massive and transformational immigration policies…
    Then there are of course the rich white men who profit massively from cheap labor. And the bankers and Chamber of Commerce types who slurp rivers of $lop from the economic benefits from having a permanent underclass, clamoring for housing and mortgages and car loans.

    Unfortunately for the then predominantly Anglo-Saxon people of the US at the time of its founding in 1776 it had powerful elements amongst its Anglo-Saxon elite heavily involved in chattel slavery and its trade. Reflective of a long dysfunctional relationship between the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish peoples there were also powerful elements of the elites of the Jewish people involved as well, the British Empire then dominating the global trade in slaves. The British North American colonies as part of the Triangular Trade was a major receiver of the African slaves. This was put in place by diktat much to the great expense of the vast majority of the Anglo-Saxon population whom didn’t own slaves, but rather had to suffer with the practice, slavery quite correctly being called historically a ‘scourge upon mankind’. The Anglo-Saxon elites and their hangers on involved in chattel slavery and its trade displayed a callous disregard towards their fellow man in doing so, both towards their own and towards the enslaved. Each and every time these Anglo-Saxon elites purchased and or employed one of these chattel slaves they were rejecting one of their own Anglo-Saxon people whom they could have employed, either from the colonies or from England itself. Those Jewish elites heavily involved in the slave trade in colonial British North America could not have been expected to show any more regards to the Anglo-Saxon population than their own slave-owning/dealing A-S elites did, if anything one might think it would have tended to be less.

    Reflective of the spirit of the age and an almost worship of Capitalism and ‘free trade’ a global movement led by the British Empire acting in conjunction with the nascent United States was made in the latter 18th and early 19th century to monetize chattel slavery and its trade with what would quickly evolve into the cheap labor/mass immigration system of today. It was realized that being that all anyone whom own slaves ultimately wishes to do, driven by short sighted and self-centered financial interest, such as the Anglo-Saxon whom first purchased African chattel slaves in 1620′s Virginia, was to pay significantly below the prevailing local labor cost to employ one of their own. It was grasped that the same objective could be achieved, much more efficiently and profitably, by simply importing and paying ‘the immigrant’ significantly below the prevailing local cost of labor of paying one of their own. The essence of wage slavery is simply the systematic theft of significant amounts of the individual’s labor, never all with slavery mind you, coming directly from their pay, ie their wages; the theft being the difference between what is (or what would of been without the immigrant or immigration) the local prevailing cost of labor to pay their own and what they are actually paying the immigrant in wages. It’s not pennies on the dollar either or they wouldn’t have bothered with this wage slavery business in the first place, and these elites and hangers on would still very possibly be involved in chattel slavery. Depending it might be 50 percent, 25 percent, or possibly 10 percent, of the labor they’re stealing with this method. When they move a factory from the US to China and pay workers there one dollar an hour they’re stealing a lot more percentage wise. This is opposed to systematically stealing labor via the antiquated and cumbersome method of physically owning someone, that person being called a chattel, and hence the term chattel slavery.

    So, as with anyone that engages in chattel slavery, these Anglo-Saxon elites which were involved in chattel slavery and its trade were acting in a callous disregard towards their fellow man, both towards their own and towards the other whom they preyed upon and exploited. The general non slave owning and dealing Anglo-Saxon public had to suffer with it, ie depressed wages, occasional worrisome slave revolts, and genocidal aspects as well.

    People being creatures of habit, those Anglo-Saxon elites whom had been heavily involved in chattel slavery and its trade, and now heavily involved in the newly adopted wage slavery, continued to display their callous disregard towards their fellow man, both towards their own and towards those whom they exploit. The Anglo-Saxon general public, just as before, continued to suffer with this callous disregard by their slavery addicted elites, though they shouldn’t have and should have put a stop to it then. In the southern states the displacement of Anglo-Saxons by imported African chattel slaves and their progeny continued on as before, culminating by 1861 with four million African slaves amongst seven million largely Anglo-Saxon whites.

    Being that the country was still largely agricultural with family owned farms and had not industrialised this newly introduced wage slavery was not felt so much at first but even relatively early on the negative physical, cultural, and economic effects upon the Anglo-Saxon population were taking place…ie with the construction of the Erie Canal in the north.

    The first diggers were [Anglo-Saxon] Americans…By 1818 Irishmen arrived to work on the canal and soon became the majority element in the workforce.

    The construction of the great Erie Canal began on July 4, 1817.

    The first diggers were Americans, but it soon became apparent that the enormous project could not be accomplished with local farmers and farm workers who also needed to tend their fields.

    By 1818 Irishmen arrived to work on the canal and soon became the majority element in the workforce. They remained so for the next seven years of construction until the longest canal in the world (363 miles) was completed in the fall of 1825.

    After China had been ‘opened up’ by first flooding it with opium and then crushed, not once, but twice, when the Chinese attempted to prevent the debasement of their people in the British Empire’s two drug use enforcement wars (ie the Opium Wars of 1839 & 1856), wars which also put in place what the Chinese called the ‘unequal treaties’, a great many Chinese were then prepared to flee their ruined country.

    Indeed it was estimated at the time China could provide four hundred million wage slaves to be harvested by the British Empire and the US. This was far more wage slaves than British occupied and famine stricken Ireland could ever aspire to. They therefore made a serious attempt in the mid to latter 19th century to flood the US and Australia with tens of millions of Chinese wage slaves, by diktat, in the case of the US by ‘the back door’ of the territory, and then state of California. Though Spain had had no trouble in controlling its long California coast line going on nigh three hundred years, suddenly within a very short few years of it taking possession the US was all thumbs. By the early 1850′s Chinese were pouring in by the tens of thousands via a deliberately uncontrolled California coast line. The media of the day in the years immediately before and after the US Civil War were declaring that the US would be predominantly Chinese in the not too distant future.

    Meanwhile the still predominantly Anglo-Saxon population of the northeast was being displaced by the annual importation of hundreds of thousands of Irish wage slaves, ie ‘cheap laborers’ so called, in the latter 1840′s and early 1850′s. It was not a coincidence that it was at about this time that, sensing something was not right, that the Anglo-Saxon general public made an imperfect attempt to simply preserve themselves with the Know Nothings.

    The US Civil War of 1861-1865 was a speed bump in this global push for the monetization of chattel slavery and its trade led by the British Empire and the northeastern US and those powerful elements and hangers on of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people whom had been heavily involved in chattel slavery and its trade. A snag had been hit when southern plantation owners, as well as southern slave owners in general, had concerns that they would not be remunerated for their chattel slaves and were balking at making the transition over to wage slavery without this guarantee. This was decided by the US Civil War, with the loss of six hundred thousand lives, the vast majority of them non slave owning nor wage slave exploiting Anglo-Saxons of the ‘north’ and ‘south’. I put north and south in quotes as these were largely the same people, it was the slavery systems, chattel and wage, that were different and clashing. Corrupted by slavery, those elites and their hangers on, north and south, pushed for the war. Whatever part those powerful elements of the Jewish people and their hangers on whom were involved in chattel and or wage slavery and whatever role they may have played in that needless war is not excusable either. These elites described of the Anglo-Saxon and Jewish people still are corrupted by slavery in the form of wage slavery and the callous disregard it engenders towards one’s fellow man. The southern slave owners were not renumerated, and the wage slavery system was put in place by diktat…just as chattel slavery had been in the 1620′s. My personal opinion is that when violence became unavoidable in 1861 the guns should have been turned upon the wage and chattel slavery corrupted elites and their hangers on in the north and south respectively rather than upon each other…and had a true abolition of slavery, both chattel and wage, rather than the fraudulent one that took place in 1865. Self determination could then have been allowed for both Europeans and former African slaves.

    The below excerpt is from pg 118 of the 1853 book The New Rome produced by the major US establishment publisher GP Putnam (now Penguin). This remarkable book is something like a geopolitical future history of the world, with an emphasis on the United States and the United Kingdom and is well worth the time to read.

    …the day will not be far distant when America will number more Chinese than Caucasians..

    ‘In August, [1852] the number of Chinese emigrants in California was estimated at 50,000…and the Anglos having learned to understand the value of these
    patient laborers, and to treat them accordingly, the influx will soon be greater than ever. If it is as well supported by the masses of the mother country, as that from Europe has been, the day will not be far distant when America will number more Chinese than Caucasians…From these relations we may calculate upon an emigration of American businessmen to China, in return for that of Chinese laborers to California.’

    Excerpts from pg 511-515 of the 1870 US book One Hundred Years Progress of the United States and its chapter entitled ‘Marvels that our grandchildren will see; or, One hundred years’ progress in the future’…

    ‘The Chinese question, viz., whether the Chinese and other oriental nations shall be allowed to swarm into our territory and take the place of our present laboring classes and whether, if, as is probable, this right is conceded…’

    ‘The Chinese will come to us, mainly, like some of the European immigrants, as candidates for filling our more menial positions; they will be house-servants, washermen, railroad laborers, miners, laborers in the field, &c…’

    ‘The Chinese question, viz., whether the Chinese and other oriental nations shall be allowed to swarm into our territory and take the place of our present laboring classes and whether, if, as is probable, this right is conceded, they should be admitted to the same political and social privileges with ourselves…‘We say it [‘the Chinese problem’] is in one sense already solved, because it is evident that we can not, if we would, keep them [the Chinese] out, as they are now arriving upon our Pacific coast at the rate of several thousand a week, and already number about 150,000 of our population. ‘Regarding this point as settled, and believing as we do that before 1880 we shall have 5,000,000 of Chinese on tihis continent, and before 1900, 20,000,000 or 25,000,000…’

    In a Spring 1874 edition the Pall Mall Gazette of London expresses its pleasure that hundreds of thousands of Chinese are being utilized as “cheap labor” (as mentioned previously, much more accurately referred to historically as ‘wage slaves’) in such far flung places as North and South America, Hawaii, and in Australia, but laments that there is growing worldwide resistance to this phenomena. The newspaper, besides referring to this “anxiety and alarm” as “out of proportion”, comments that there is…

    ‘A dread of what might happen if capitalists could command and control these vast hordes of workmen as against men of their own race, has made the labouring class, at any rate, blind to their good qualities.’

    In an article that’s reminescent in certain ways of the biblical rendition of Christ’s temptation, the Gazette attempts to pursuade its readers that the Chinese as cheap laborers do work others won’t do, are great cooks, are excellent gardeners, etc. The writer attempts to induce guilt, and lastly, almost beggingly to the reader, makes the claim that untold wealth is to be taken from the Earth if only the Chinese could be brought in to do the work. Finally, the writer acknowledges that peoples’ resistance (particularly from Europeans in Australia and North America) as to their physical, cultural, and economic replacement, by the importation of Chinese wage slaves is strong, and everywhere things are tending “to their discouragement.”

    It would be over a hundred years yet before they would develop the perfect ideological vehicle to make the world safe for cheap labor…or so they would think. They would call this ideological vehicle with its integral anti-race campaign ‘multi-culturalism’.

    Chinamen Out Of China

    ‘OF late years we have heard so much of “Chinese cheap labour” from various parts of the world that it is somewhat difficult to realize the fact that not more than 200,000 Chinamen are working in foreign countries at the present time. Even this number is quite an outside estimate. America and Australia have so far been the favourite resorts for Chinese emigrants…’

    http://patflannery.com/IrishHistory/ErieCanal.htm#Top

    http://name.umdl.umich.edu/ABJ1733.0001.001

    http://ebooks.library.cornell.edu/cgi/t/text/pageviewer-idx?c=livn;cc=livn;rgn=full%20text;idno=livn0121-2;didno=livn0121-2;view=image;seq=00134;node=livn0121-2%3A1

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes

  397. @Da Wei

    Da Wei, so sorry for the 4-day late reply.

    I guess the new Thomas Paine is all over and around the internet.

    You are right that the security state can “listen in” on anything said, but on the other hand, the Feral Gov’t is not the competent and organized British colonial government either. It is filled with affirmative-action, glass-ceiling-buster, and all kinds of utter incompetents, at least at the lower levels. Here is Peak Stupidity’s take on that called “Apprehending Jason Bourne”: Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3.

    To balance that out, though, we have an American public that is at a high level of stupidity right now – the average college graduate probably has the common sense of a 10-year-old American colonist of Revolutionary times.

    I don’t have a good answer, Da Wei, but there are lots of patriot sites out there in which people discuss this in great detail (of course, some of them may be run by the Feral Government, so at some point people have to get together in person)

    I hope to correspond with you more on other threads within unz. I write most of my comments under the iSteve (Sailer) blog.

  398. @V

    What is that, V for Vendetta or V for Very fucking long?

  399. V says:

    Regarding the former would be slave owner, with the adoption of wage slavery (‘cheap labor’ so called) they no longer have to pay the ‘overhead’ costs such as housing, clothing, care of the slave in their unproductive old age, etc, all of which was no doubt a great trouble to the slave owner. With the wage slave cheap laborer, they also no longer have be concerned about the occasional worrisome slave revolt on their property, that, as with the old age cost of care of the chattel slave, is now ‘outsourced’ to (ie dumped upon) the non-exploiting general public to deal with in sporadic rioting and looting in the cities and greatly increased charity and public welfare expenses. Concerns about family bloodlines of slave owners getting ‘mixed’ with the chattel slaves whom were housed in relative close proximity was also alleviated with the wage slave (ie cheap labor) system, that concern too now having been outsourced to the general public to deal with. It’s true that in time the wages of the cheap laborer may well go up and that he or she moves on, but that’s no problem, as the former would be slave owner simply hires a replacement wage slave, and hence the deliberately uncontrolled borders and lax immigration policies which provide a nearly continuos flow of ‘immigrants’, as well as stolen labor.

    One should not forget that wage slavery also has a secondary effect, that of depressing wages in general in whatever field the ‘cheap laborers’ are employed, which closely parallels the reports of economic depression in the countryside surrounding the southern plantations amongst the slave owner’s own (non-slave owning) people as the chattel slaves, either working on the plantation or being leased out, were doing much of the work that these lower class or poorer whites would normally be doing…you know, those people whom all too often would get slapped with the label ‘white trash’ by the slave owners, just as these same lower class or underclass whites today are all too often slapped with the same label by their own whom import wage slave ‘immigrants’ as cheap laborers rather than employ their own. The vast majority of the public then did not own slaves, but rather had to suffer greatly with it, just as most today don’t prey upon and exploit an imported ‘immigrant’ as a wage slave, ie a ‘cheap laborer’, and also have to suffer with it. Most people then and now do their own physical manual labor. This would explain why a huge number of unskilled jobs in the US start out and often remain at a nearly unliveable ten dollars an hour range.

    Lastly, but quite importantly to the morale of the would be slave owner/dealer of the past, with the cheap labor/mass immigration system they now get to play act that they are the good guys, all while still getting their ‘hit’ of unpaid labor with the ‘immigrant’. With the cheap labor/mass immigration system they have outsourced most of the negatives of chattel slavery, including its genocidal aspects, to the general non-exploiting public and have with the sjw largely conditioned this public with the cult/ideology of multi-culturalism that all this physical, cultural, and economic, destruction is good for them and to embrace it. They’ve even outsourced the blame for chattel slavery on that historically generally non-slave owning public, of whom both the chattel and now wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’ so called) systems have been imposed by diktat.

    Today’s self described ‘progressive’ and ‘liberal’ elites and hangers on, whose spiritual and at times physical forebears had ran the show regarding chattel slavery and its trade, are perfectly happy to leave the descendants of the non-slaving public (ie the vast majority) ‘holding the bag’ for chattel slavery and its trade as they protest the removal of the all too many slave owning Confederate leaders whom had not acted in the interest of that non-slave owning public…while meanwhile those liberal and progressive elites have long since moved on unmolested to the far more profitable (and also far more destructive) wage slavery, manifesting itself in the cheap labor/mass immigration system of today, the very economic basis of the multicultural society, a society which closely parallels a chattel slave holding one. From their vantage point, the former would be slave owners/dealers get to have their cake and eat it too.

  400. V says:
    @Rurik

    I think that the Obama administration poured over every single issue with the unspoken but universal intention of fucking over as many middle and working class white men as they possibly could. I think it was and is their obsession. I think the Democrat party today is verily defined by a visceral hatred for all things ‘working class white man’. And a universal determination to see us even more marginalized and disenfranchised and fucked over- even more than we already are- drives their every decision.

    Got to make room for more wage slaves, and just as their chattel slave owning/dealing spiritual and political forebears did they ‘dote’ upon their modern monetized wage slaves, but now do it using someone else’s money. That ‘someone’ namely being the very ones as you describe being physically, culturally, and economically dispossessed. The same process was taking place in the US south with chattel slavery, albeit at a slower speed, where after some 230 plus years of chattel slavery in 1861 there were four million African slaves as opposed to seven million mostly non-slave owning Whites. South Carolina had a majority slave population at the start of the war. It only stands to reason that as with wage slavery (ie ‘cheap labor’ so called) they are actually stealing far more labor than the chattel slavers could ever have dreamed of due to its efficiency and the sheer volume of the predation, that one would see that much quicker of a dispossession taking place of the non wage slaving population.

    What the former chattel and now wage slave ‘immigrant’ often have failed to understand with this ‘doting’ phenomena is that just as the doter doesn’t care about those whites being dispossessed they don’t really care about the ‘immigrant’ either unless you can call someone systemattically stealing labor from a person and in reality seeing them as a slave ‘caring’.

    The Democrats as you’ve described them are now ‘D’ for the ‘Doting Party’, and the Republicans are hardly any better.

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  401. KenH says:
    @Ron Unz

    We need to be careful with terms because the term *legal immigrant* typically connotes citizenship as opposed to “legal resident alien” who’s merely residing in the nation legally but is not a citizen, so in that sense the ex cop did NOT include legal immigrants in his tally. But it does look like he attributed all 25,064 homicide arrests to illegal aliens when according to the GAO report that figure included both illegal aliens and legal resident aliens into the category “criminal aliens”. This is in the fine print and can easily be missed if scrolling through the report too quickly.

    Arrests are based on FBI data starting in 1955 and ending in April 2010 with a disclaimer that 90% of the arrests occurred after 1990. This introduces a degree of ambiguity since there’s no hard starting point in that decade, so I will assume 1995.

    Another problem is that the report does not differentiate homicide rates between “legal resident alien” and “illegal alien” and lumps them together as “criminal aliens”, so we have no way of knowing which group committed more murders. Illegal aliens could be responsible for 75% of the homicides, but the data doesn’t plumb those depths, so we’ll never know and each side will infer what they wish to prove their respective cases.

    There’s been past studies done showing that second and third generation illegal aliens are more violent than the first. Are their violent crimes and homicides being rolled up against the illegal alien tally or “citizen” tally since they were born here? If the latter then that artificially depresses the overall crime rates, including homicide, for illegal aliens.

    The bottom line is that even one murder is one too much since illegal aliens shouldn’t be in this country, so the only acceptable number from that segment is zero.

  402. @Ron Unz

    I appreciate your apology. I would never dream of conducting a blog/website as you are now doing, nothing but hard work with very little reward.

  403. @wayfarer

    Very interesting comments, Wayfarer, almost poetic. There is not doubt in my mind that the world has reached critical mass mostly as a result of an unprecedented population explosion. In my lifetime the world population has grown from 2 billion to over 7 billion. In the 1930s we thought China with 500 million and India with 300 million were overpopulated. It is not so much that we don’t have the land area to accommodate the masses , but unfortunately the masses concentrate in the big cities where life would be completely untenuous given circumstances like widespread crop failure.
    There is something to be said for a life of poverty, it certainly gives one a different perspective on life. If the critical mass does come to fruition I would think the poor man will be able to cope with the inevitable hardships much better than a man who has never suffered wants.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  404. @V

    A worthy review of history in context. Kudos.

    Please, please, please … oh, dear god, please, learn the difference between nominative and objective forms for nouns, particularly “who” and “whom”, and how to properly use both.

  405. wayfarer says:
    @Simply Simon

    Even when we have physical hardships, we can be very happy.

    – Dalai Lama

    Each day I try to recognize life’s simple blessings, and take a quiet moment to reflect on them and express thanks.

    As each one a life’s dreams eventually comes to an end, I begin constructing a new one.

    These are the things that enable me to keep pushing through this world.

    If not mistaken, this is your generation. Tough kids, of the great depression. Each face casts a unique feeling, most inspiring for me, are those faces that cast an aura of happiness.

    Have a beautiful day, sir.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Simply Simon
  406. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    ex-cops shouldn’t write blog-posts on sociological topics they clearly don’t understand.

    some of them won’t be able to

    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2018/01/16/luis-bracamontes-trial/

    I know this is just one case, but the reason it’s salient is the attitude of the perp

    He’s clearly loving the attention, and no doubt is a hero to his homies on the inside and the militant members of La Raza in general, for whom this is a (race) war of “Re”conquista.

    of course you can say the Mexicans (and Hondurans and El Salvadorans and Cubans and Puerto Ricans… not to mention the Africans and Middle Easterners, etc…) that actually murder American citizens is relatively small (depending on your perspective), but what about all the hostility that bubbles beneath the surface that never quite leads to actual murder?

    What about societal bonhomie? Is that something we should be willing to sacrifice?

    It’s been documented that people “turtle up” in diverse communities, and that diversity destroys social trust and cohesion. Is that, like lower wages and some violent crime, just a price that indigenous citizens (of all races) at the lower end of the socio-economic ladder should be willing to pay, so that others, (the immigrants and the wealthy who benefit from them) can enjoy greater prosperity?

    And of course it isn’t just Hispanics, but I have buddies in Northern California that say the Asians and Indians are pouring in, especially in Silicon Valley. So it becomes very heterogeneous, and they have to send their children to expensive private schools because the public schools are burdened with teaching gobs of obscure languages to diverse children of disparate cultures, which understandably diminishes their academic excellence potentials.

    I guess that would be fine if it were limited to such places, and if people didn’t like it they could presumably leave. But this diversity is slated for the whole country, and indeed, the whole of Western civilization, from New Zealand to Norway to Utah.

    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/merkel-kurz-clash-over-migrant-quota-150939626.html

    More here on illegal immigrant crime:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/illegal_aliens_murder_at_a_much_higher_rate_than_us_citizens_do.html

    I’m familiar with this area

    https://lakeworthtribune.wordpress.com/2015/08/18/guatemalan-serial-rapist-to-get-jury-trial-in-palm-beach-county/

    “beat her to the point that she was unrecognizable” to quote directly from the probable cause affidavit. Then he raped her and sodomized her while she drifted in and out of consciousness. During the attack, he stole two rings off her fingers, cutting one of her fingers to get the ring off. The woman was taken to Delray Medical Center after the attack where she was rushed into surgery. She died two weeks later.

    I’m with Ken in that in my (apparently racist) opinion, I don’t think there is any valid reason for any of these crimes to happen, because I’m of the opinion that all nations and people are entitled to self-determination. Even, (yes, I know this is beyond the pale) putatively white nations.

    When that Swedish police tech broke the rules and released the murder scene photos of Ellen Krantz, I remember thinking to myself that I would have exactly zero problem deporting every single immigrant male who might be potentially capable of a similar kind of crime in the future.

    That’s how racist I am!

    I would be profiling! young immigrant men and denying them the privilege of living in Sweden just because a few of them brutally rape (and occasionally murder) a few Swedish (or French or German or British or Austrian or Australian, etc…) girls (or ten year old boys).

    I suppose some people…

    http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/06/leftist-norwegian-politician-gets-raped-by-somalian-begs-for-him-not-to-be-deported/

    .. might consider that unfair and even irredeemably racist, but I’m unapologetic about it. And it goes for all people and all nations, not just white nations. If you’re a Mexican and men from Barbados commited some horrible crimes, then I would not begrudge them if they deported all young men from Barbados. Or vice/versa, if Barbados deported Mexicans for whatever reason.

    It is their c0untry after all. The immigration policies should be established and enforced to benefit the citizens, not the wealthy benefactors of cheap labor. But just as someone has pointed out, the citizens of Barbados are there in the first place because greedy men who wanted to make slaves out of other men to bolster their wealth, and human nature has not changed its spots.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  407. Rurik says:
    @V

    Got to make room for more wage slaves

    that’s half of it V, the Chamber of Commerce types of the Republican party

    the other half is the transparent race hatred of the identity politics left

    I grew up and was raised to believe that minorities and immigrants and the descendants of black slaves would be grateful to America for welcoming them in and for repudiating slavery, (to the point of waging a war to put a stake in that evil institution once and for all), and that we’d all build a successful society, with respect for our differences and unique talents.

    And I think we could have. But then the cultural Marxists could not leave it at that, and had to tell blacks (and whites) that there is no such thing as race and that if blacks didn’t enjoy the exact same academic and economic success that their white counterparts enjoyed, that is was prima facia proof that whitey was still racially oppressing them.

    It created hatred and guilt, and the cultural Marxists threw gasoline on these pyres, and agitated for more and more and more minorities as an army to finally and at long last destroy these evil white racists under a juggernaut of non-whites, all full to the brim with racial grievance/hatred.

    It’s all very sad, and I don’t know how it’s going to play out in the end. But I don’t think whitey is just going to roll over and die, no matter how much Oprah tells us to.

  408. Rurik says:
    @wayfarer

    I agree with Simon, Wayfarer

    your posts are often poetic

    when Bernie Sanders said (in Flint, MI of all places!) that no white people know what poverty (or police brutality) was/is even like, I think I almost vomited, such was the nauseating disgust at his loathsome and vicious demagoguery / race baiting.

    cheers

  409. Ron Unz says:
    @Rurik

    I know this is just one case, but the reason it’s salient is the attitude of the perp.

    He’s clearly loving the attention, and no doubt is a hero to his homies on the inside and the militant members of La Raza in general, for whom this is a (race) war of “Re”conquista.

    Well, yes it *IS* just one case, in which some illegal immigrant criminal high on drugs killed two deputies in a gunfight back in 2014. There are 11M illegals in the U.S. (or according to some commenters here, maybe as many as 110M), and apparently something like a total of 100-150 police officers are killed each year, so even if illegals were just completely average in criminality, you’d expect a few such killings every now and then. The whole thing is as absurd as pointing to some example of a 6’6″ illegal Mexican, and saying that proves that Mexicans are very tall people. And all that whole “La Raza” thing people are always yelling about is just a total hoax.

    Meanwhile, you also cited some silly piece published by some random guy on a rightwing webzine:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/illegal_aliens_murder_at_a_much_higher_rate_than_us_citizens_do.html

    Ironically, enough he relies upon the *same* GAO report as that ignorant ex-cop whom I’d discussed and ridiculed above, and basically makes fairly similar calculation mistakes to get his ridiculous results. For example, it looks like he assumes that the average imprisoned murderer serves only four years behind bars. My impression is that about 95% of the people who write about race/crime issues are just totally incompetent.

    Look, you’re absolutely free to rant and rave all you want about total nonsense like horrific rates of illegal immigrant crime—or UFOs kidnapping Americans for their body-parts—but when you do things like that, you just become a laughingstock, and nobody with any intelligence will take you seriously on any other subject. So make your choice as you see fit.

    Frankly, I think there are very, very few academic specialists anywhere as knowledgeable as I am about this sort of subject. Several of America’s most prominent social scientists have repeatedly praised my findings over the years, and one of the tiny handful of professors who actually specializes in Hispanic crime studies asked me to blurb his book. So if you want to know the true facts of the matter, you might want to read one of my articles from a few years ago:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    Anyway, I’m very busy with my software work and really can’t waste any more time on this comment-thread, so I’m afraid any future responses to will probably have to remain unanswered.

  410. wayfarer says:

    Hello Rurik,

    I don’t know what galvanizes your honorable actions. But in my view, you fight the good fight. I joke to myself that I’m in this fight because I’m trying to save the world.

    We fight in a spiritual war of light vs darkness, givers against takers, service-to-others opposing those in service-to-self. It’s a war that’s been waged on infinite dimensions in creation, forever. One that won’t be won or lost any time soon or possibly ever.

    My weapon of choice is truth. It’s a powerful equalizer, when skillfully wielded it can crack the enemy’s ego with the slightest of blows. I’ve found the human ego to be extremely fragile, and therefore easily damaged by some truth, if necessary.

    My time here on UR is winding down, as I now begin preparing to leave Yuma Arizona and return to San Diego California. At which point I’ll be living out of a car and on the streets, but experiencing some beautiful beaches. Don’t see the light at the end of that hobo tunnel, not yet at least. It’s the U.S. South-West next to the Pacific Ocean, where my soul feels radiant and happy.

    No clue as to your taste in music, but I came across this song the other day and can’t stop listening to it. Hope you may enjoy it too.

    Take it easy, brother.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
    , @Rurik
  411. wayfarer says:
    @wayfarer

    edit: [previous post]

    BTW, for future reference as this video will no doubt be pulled someday, the song is “What It Is” by Dire Straits.

  412. Fred piously opines:

    “There is a difference between opposing further immigration, a good idea, and constantly attacking American citizens.”

    So Fred, SERIOUSLY, TELL US:

    When & where did you EVER oppose “further immigration”??

    WHEN? WHERE?

    Without that “further immigration” back then, you would not be bemoaning the plight of their millions of anchor babies (“American citizens”) now.

    You used to write about your beloved childhood in the rural South. Tell us how endless millions more over-breeding immigrants are “enriching” your old home.

    You used to be interesting. Nowadays your (presumably witless) promotion of another (((agenda))) is merely a sad spectacle. Hardly unique, but sad.

  413. @AaronB

    Yup, the Anglo culture could only produce such semi-literates as Chaucer, Shakespeare, Milton, Dickens, Huxley, Orwell etc. GFYS.

  414. @wayfarer

    Yes, these boys look like they just came out of a coal mine in 1930s West Virginia. Smiles were few and far between back then during the Great Depression days. Nothing wrong with working in the coal mines now as conditions have been vastly improved, but it never has been a place for young boys like these to have to spend the better part of their lives. Most of these boys if they are still alive are close to my age. I wonder how their lives have been, but I will never know and can only hope each life has been blessed in a special way. BTW, even though my wife and I are old fogeys we enjoy the music of Dire Straits.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  415. Rurik says:
    @Ron Unz

    Thank you for your reply Mr. Unz. I know you’re busy, but it’s because you’re the preeminent expert on this subject that I wanted to get your opinion. And yes, I did read your well-reasoned and thoughtful article.

    Restrictionists can provide numerous completely legitimate arguments in favor of their position, ranging from economic competition and cultural conflict to national overpopulation and environmental degradation.

    ~ indeed !

    Nevertheless, I don’t expect you to respond, that’s fine with me.

    so even if illegals were just completely average in criminality, you’d expect a few such killings every now and then

    I agree.

    But I suspect ‘restrictionists’ just don’t see the necessity or wisdom of having, not just those 11 million illegals, but the vast majority of all the new immigration, from wherever they’re coming from.

    We liked the America we grew up in, warts and all. But we also understood that there were lingering racial tensions and even some hostilities (riots, cities burned, rapes and murders..). It never occurred to us that the solution was to increase the number of minorities until the white majority themselves became a minority. Indeed, the wisdom of this “solution” still escapes many of us entirely. Especially when you consider the institution of Affirmative Action and the ongoing racial caldron of rebuke, acrimony and blame.

    that whole “La Raza” thing people are always yelling about is just a total hoax.

    how so?

    La Raza means ‘The Race’, and seems to exist to bolster the respective ethic interests of Hispanics, no?

    I remember being surprised to read that the judge who ruled against Trump’s ban was a member

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/trump-u-judges-group-tied-to-national-council-of-laraza/

    So yes, I’m sure you’re right about the levels of Hispanic crime in general not being as bad as they’re often hyped to be, but I suspect that’s still a small consolation to the victims of the occasional horrific crime, or even just the longer waits at the emergency room, etc. Because for many of us, we see very little upside to having the immigrants here at all (lost jobs, lower wages, increasing crassness of the culture..). Exotic cuisine and cheap domestic help notwithstanding.

    And it isn’t just a matter of race, (which is exacerbated by Affirmative Action) but so many of us have seen our communities culturally transformed, (Dade county, FL, Dearborn, MI..) and not always to our liking.

    But I recognize that you accounted for all those concerns in your article, which was about crime levels specifically, so I won’t belabor the point.

    Thanks again for all you’ve done Mr. Unz

  416. Rurik says:
    @wayfarer

    I don’t know what galvanizes your honorable actions.

    yes you do Wayfarer

    trying to save the world.

    I suppose pushing back a little, is how I see it

    won’t be won or lost any time soon or possibly ever.

    ebb and flow, like life itself

    is truth.

    it’s my religion

    It’s the U.S. South-West next to the Pacific Ocean, where my soul feels radiant and happy.

    I’ve been there. I know what you mean

    thanks for the video

    Take it easy, brother.

    same to you, Brother

  417. @Ron Unz

    The whole thing is as absurd as pointing to some example of a 6’6″ illegal Mexican, and saying that proves that Mexicans are very tall people.

    Indeed—or pointing to a mestizo Mexican with an IQ of 140+ and saying that it proves that Mexicans are extra-ordinarily intelligent on average!

  418. wayfarer says:
    @Simply Simon

    Reputation is what men and women think of us; character is what God and angels know of us. – Thomas Paine

    It’s souls like this one, that restore my faith in humanity and divine providence.

    “Dusk Till Dawn” cover by Allie Sherlock

    …..

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  419. CornCod says:

    I have enjoyed reading Reed over the years,but the poor man has Jeb Bush disease. He is married to one and feels compelled to defend the race of his spouse. Guys like Reed become pro-Hispanic because Latinas actually make better wives than crazy American women, they actually like men. However the solution is to get rid of feminism soAmericanwomen become tolerable again.

  420. Roman says:
    @Ron Unz

    As factually incorrect as your ridiculous claim that substantially less than 5% of the yearly immigration comes via illegal crossing of the US-Mexican border? As factually incorrect as your already also preposterous claim that there are 11.5 million illegals in the US?

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/yale-researchers-not-11-million-but-22-8-million-undocument-immigrants/

    Do you realise that after having debunked both claims of yours, in one of my recent comments – after which you are now sensibly backpedaling into a more reasonable and factually correct 20 percent – and just now your credibility is to say the least in question?

    I mean, how childish and arrogant you got here. Quite amusing nevertheless to see how unaware you are of your own bias. You certainly remind me of one Jonathan Revusky and his claim that sexual assaults did not happen in NYs Eve in Germany because there were no videos of brown people fingering German women in the internet, when you suggested opponents to go and search for immigrant crimes in Vdare and Breitbart.

    You first arrogantly dismiss a forensic criminologist with a PhD, with 30+ years of experience in the field investigating 100s of crimes commited by latinos, as “a confused cop with no idea of what he is talking about”

    Not a trace of skepticism or awareness that due to the lack of data, how difficult it is to access to this data, the fact that 30 percent of murders go unsolved – Chicago rate is 70%, Houston 56% – that due to political correctness is quite possible that newspapers are not publishing the legal status of murderers, rapists, and kidnappers… and authorities – as was the case in Rotherham and other British cities in which certain minorities were overwhelmingly responsible for the outrageous rape and child abuse epidemic – were minimizing, hiding and omitting the facts “not to rock the multicultural boat”, exactly as German authorities did in NYs Eve in Cologne and other cities.

    It is simply mind boggling.

    Now here’s an interesting article from 2004, published by CIS, in which the author claims 95% of FBIs outstanding arrests warrants for murder in LA at the time did target illegal immigrants.

    The article also states that according to a confidential California Department of Justice study it is reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 18th Street Gang in California are illegal immigrants (estimated membership: 20,000); police officers say the proportion is undoubtedly much greater. The gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complicated drug distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and is responsible for an assault or robbery every day in Los Angeles County. The gang has dramatically expanded its numbers over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, a vast proportion illegal, from Central America and Mexico.

    https://cis.org/Crime-Illegal-Alien

    Now the 40k to 60k gang members among the population of El Salvador are responsible for most of the murders, shootings, extortion, kidnappings and violent assaults in El Salvador. El Salvador has a population of around 6.4 million. This is roughly 1 percent.

    According to the article, in 1995 (!) there were 20 *thousand* members of *only* the 18th street gang, 60 percent of those were illegals and were heavily reliant on fresh illegals for drug selling and I imagine the rest of illegal activities related to the drug sale operation *only* in SoCal.

    An that was *years* before the peak of intercepted illegal crossings of 2 million in the early 2000s

    Now, will you tell me that the population of El Salvador have high crime rates?

    But is only 1 percent of the population – the gang members – mostly responsible for the home invasions, murders, kidnappings and shootings!

    Huh? wait a minute, how deluded and naive is that argument? It might be 1 to 3 percent of the mostly non criminal population, but *flash news* they make a *helluva* difference. Just go and to live a year in El Salvador and then come and tell us your experience living there – if you happen to come back in one piece – and sabor the delusion and lack of substance of your argument.

    Now could your biased – you are Jewish and your parents were immigrants, you no doubt personally know dozens of decent illegal immigrants – assumptions based on statistics missing data or censored and anecdotal evidence be wrong?

    • Replies: @Bill jones
  421. @AaronB

    Look, I grew up with them in CO and they were mostly trash, and what I see now is worse.

    On the other hand, and uncle by marriage was the best of men, and fought this trash with all his ability.

    He thought being and American, he being a WWII Navy Vet was a worthy goal.

    His main enemy was Corky Gonzalez a bail bondsman who was a tool of Saul Alinsky.

    Drop dead and stay that way: the author is a vile lying thing.

  422. Rurik says:

    for what it’s worth, this isn’t by some random guy on a right wing website

    the reason this debate is so salient now is because it has come to a head, and our government is getting ready to literally shut down over the merits (or lack there of), of massive and transformational immigration.

    Drudge right now

    BLINK?

    SHUTDOWN FEAR GRIPS DC… DEVELOPING…

    PRESIDENT: MAKING PROGRESS…

    HIGH-STAKES BLAME GAME…

    TRUMP PUTS FLORIDA TRIP ON HOLD…

    we’re on the verge of deciding whether or not whitey is to become a shrinking minority from now on, with all that will portend for the future

    some say it’s only racists and white supremacists that worry about it

    but I rather suspect it’s more nuanced than that

  423. KenH says:
    @Ron Unz

    Similar evidence emerges if we restrict our analysis to major cities of half a million people or more and compare the average crime rates for the five most heavily Hispanic cities—

    Based on the 2010 census the demographic averages for the five whites cities are as follows:
    White: 64%
    Black: 17%
    Hispanic: 10%

    The demographic averages for the five most Hispanic cities cited in your article are as follows:
    Hispanic: 56%
    White: 28%
    Black: 9.6%

    The error in your five cities analysis and conclusion is that the five whitest cities have an average of 80% more blacks which spikes their overall violent crime rates. And since blacks commit violent crime at a much higher rate than their percentage of the population in a given area this badly skews the violent crime rates of the five whitest cities.

    I would think you would need to isolate and excise black crime rates then re-compare for more accurate results or lower the crime rate for the whitest cities by some factor to account for the staggering levels of black crime.

    Yes, there do seem to be 2-3 cities with large Hispanic populations and relatively low violent crime but they seem like extreme outliers.

    Bucolic Los Angeles has seen an increase in violent crime for three straight years and I don’t think it’s due to its steadily shrinking white population:

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-crime-stats-20161227-story.html

    Hispanics are a plurality in Salinas, CA and a near plurality in Oakland, CA. Both have made the top 10 for violent crime in 2017 although in the case of Oakland it could be due mostly to its 30% black population.

  424. Roman says:
    @Ron Unz

    Going to test the limits of free speech on this blog right away. Kudos to you if you publish it:

    My impression here is that you are an arrogant fool and an insuferable, egocentric nerd, as a substantial portion of so called academics are, including Merkel.

    You became hilariously Jonathan Revusky defending his saintly Muslims. Illegal immigrants have replaced the Muslims this time round.

    Your reading comprehension needs also some sharpening to top it off:

    You tell the Internet how in your humble opinion you are up there in Mt Olympus among the handful of race/crime world experts of eminence. But who is debating here about race and crime? You can’t be that obtuse and silly. The population of what is known as Latin America is composed of mainly mixed race people, with a mix of Northern but mainly Southern European Whites, Blacks, Mulattoes, different types of Amerindians and few Jews and Arabs for good measure. It is a bit more complex than race/crime.

    Self proclaimed world renowned experts on the subject should know about that simple fact before lazily and embarrassingly lumping all illegal immigrants crossing the US Mexican border into one unified race to then go on to call them Hispanic.

    The silliness of your argument goes even further when deciding it is best to completely dismiss a forensic criminologist who’s been up to his ears investigating Hispanic crime, and then trying to prove your point with the fact that that there is a lack of articles popping up in your SFBAs favourite rags, Vdare and Breitbart on Hispanic on White murders, and finally comparing cities with substantial Hispanic populations vs cities without murder rates in an act of monumental silliness. Classic academic-in-his-bubble stuff. Merkel couldn’t do it any better.

    Well San Pedro Sula, Acapulco and Caracas are the 3 cities with the highest murder rate on Earth. Guess what sport: their populations are 99.99% Hispanic. We must hope that if you bring the entire population of San Pedro Sula or any other of those three cities to Palo Alto or say, Berlin or Madrid the murder rate in those cities will go down immediately by an order of magnitude according to your erudite hypotheses.

    But the most amusing of it all, 42 out of the 50 cities with highest murder rate on the planet are in… wait for it… Latin America?! hello?!

    8 out of the top 10 are, again, 99.99% majority “Hispanic” .The remaining 2 I guess majority “Lusitanic”?

    Now there must be, to be sure, a good explanation for such an “anomaly”. What could be… surely the pesky “Vile Vortices” in those latitudes must be the culprits of such stratosferic murder rates. And the point is, no matter how poor and uneducated the 300k crossing yearly illegally they were in their countries and cities of origin, as soon as they cross the border into the US they magically cease to be a random sample of Latin American population an they become… an army of monaguillos The malandros and choros simply refuse to leave their countries for the US. According to the expert on race/crime Ron Unz, that is.

    An here, to finally demonstrate how silly and ignorant you are in spite of your self proclaimed expertise:

    Ten Hispanics out of ten in LA

    http://www.lapdonline.org/top_ten_most_wanted

    20 out of 41 in NorthCal and Bay Area

    https://northerncaliforniamostwanted.org/default.aspx?menuitemid=719&menugroup=NC+Most+Wanted+Public&category=LawEnforcementFugitives

    7 out of 10 Texas

    https://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/MostWanted/Fugitives

    6 out of 7 Glendale AZ

    https://www.glendaleaz.com/wanted/

    Nevada 8 out of 10

    http://dps.nv.gov/uploadedFiles/dpsnvgov/content/Citizen/10%20Most%20Wanted%20October%2024%202017.pdf

    44 out of 65 most wanted murderers FBI

    https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/murders

    But yes, Hispanics are overrepresented in those lists most probably because they have US citizenship.. or don’t they?

    This is so ridiculous it beggars belief. Bravo.

  425. @wayfarer

    Re: Thomas Paine’s quote about character. I’m afraid most people see other people not as they are, but how they seem to be. Results in a lot of misjudgments.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  426. wayfarer says:
    @Simply Simon

    Misjudging an individual’s character, good or bad, is easy to do.

    It’s kind of like many statements on this forum, remarks typically made out of context, so at times they can seem to mean something different from that intended.

    For example, I’ll go off on “ignorant Muslim men gang raping European women” or “low life Illegals murdering Americans.” So, people will judge me as a “racist.” Not true.

    Fact of the matter is, I have zero tolerance for violent crime. As a kid I was raised by a violent criminal. As a survivor of sustained violent abuse, I know all to well of the emotional scars that will never heal.

    I now live in a trailer park in Yuma Arizona (56% Hispanic), my neighbor’s ten feet to the west, are Mexican-Americans. As they were born in Mexico and are now living in the U.S.

    The crime rate in this town is well above the national average, and yes it’s primarily a result of “Hispanics.” But that doesn’t mean I “hate” Mexicans, in fact I love Mexicans. They’re very easy going and some of friendliest people you’ll ever meet.

    I’m heading back to Southern California, soon. The rising crime statistics there are weighing heavily on my mind, as I’ll be living out of a car and sleeping on public streets for the most part.

    Having been mauled as a kid, year in and year out, I don’t do well when backed into a corner, by the criminal mind. Usually the only thing that runs silently through my mind is, “touch me, and I’ll knife you.”

    When I was younger I spent two-years living in car, and consider myself street-wise as street-life is both an art and a science. But times have changed. It seems as if, civil meltdown is almost imminent.

    Ten feet to the east of my trailer is a lifer Marine, with multiple combat tours. I’m picking his PTSD mind on things I may need to do and/or not do, while sleeping on city streets in the crime-ridden criminal infested “sanctuary state” of California.

    … peace out.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  427. @wayfarer

    My stepson spent many years on the streets of LA. A true free spirit he eked out a living by finding recyclable cans and turning them in for cash, just enough money to keep himself supplied with hashish and make street living tolerable. By a strange twist of fate he married the Mexican woman who owned the recycle store. Not long after, he was murdered by gang members who as best as I can understand mistook him for some other individual they had a vendetta against. The LA police made little , if any effort to find his killers.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  428. wayfarer says:
    @Simply Simon

    A very sad story. Hopefully his soul was gently guided to higher spiritual realms, and no longer wanders the indifferent streets of Los Angeles.

    Hard drugs from hell are absolutely epidemic in Southern California. Typically supply arrives in waves, with some waves literally being tsunamis. Can’t tell you how many addicted people I’ve known who either overdosed and died, committed suicide, or lost an entire life’s savings.

    Was involved with the “war on drugs” as a seaman in the USCG.

    I don’t touch drugs or alcohol, never have. I value a sober mind and sound body. In a way that’s one of the silver linings to a life in relative poverty. Could never afford the poison.

    Here’s a creative soul who’s life was taken too early, in the dark unforgiving world of heroin addictions.

    P.S. I now design adaptable ultralight Internet-based mobile business models out of necessity. I feel confident about being able to produce consistent self-employment as this new California dream approaches.

  429. @tim s

    What happens when YOUR child phones home to tell you that his destiny was cast to oblivion by Affirmative Action that favored a newly arrived “minority” who trailed him by 25 IQ points?

    That’s what this is all about: Displacing Whites from those precious LIMITED number of upper-tier higher education seats.

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  430. @AaronB

    Where are all of those fantastic assimilating Hispanics without Affirmative Action to plow a swath through the founding, meritocratic White population to provide a low road to med/dental/vet/eng/law school; in light of low Hispanic IQ?

  431. @exiled off mainstreet

    America belongs to those who built a nation where there was none.

    There is/was no need for the Immigration Act of 1965. It was an act of genocidal aggression by Jewish subversion.

  432. @Diversity Heretic

    Racially cohesive Jews intend to rule over a proletariat of coffee-colored goo, per Coudenhove-Kalergi.

  433. Truth says:
    @Toby Keith

    What happens when YOUR child phones home to tell you that his destiny was cast to oblivion by Affirmative Action that favored a newly arrived “minority” who trailed him by 25 IQ points?

    Tell him to put the basketball away and go out for wrestling next year…

  434. Fred, Fred, Fred…

    “Dubious patriotism”??

    Some of us thought this was going to be a mea culpa

  435. Please tell me why this brown thing thinks it’s allowed to tell me how my nation works? I’m so very sorry that you have identity issues, but that’s not my problem. Go be a mystery meat taco somewhere else.

  436. Pat says:
    @Flavius

    I’m not aware of “alt right” people who want to deport legal hispanic citizens. Illegal migrants are a different story. There is no viable nation that has no control of its borders. Our Mexican and other southern friends are not eager to take in white indigentes. Nor should they. We can’t be responsible for all the world’s desperate people.

    It is not racist to advocate for American manufacturing. Other nations make efforts to foster development in their lands. They do so because it leads to prosperity. They have some pride in their people and country. Too many modern Americans are enbarrassed by patriotism. They see the good in everyone except Americans.

    Citizens of the world are nobodies from nowhere.

  437. Joe862 says:

    Hispanics are typically far more hostile to whites than whites are to them. This is the kind of thing anyone who lives near Hispanic dominated areas knows. They already have a few dozen countries and they’re willing to do anything to get into the USA. What does that tell you about the culture? If Mexico is a decent place why don’t the stay there? Why are they sneaking in here to pick fruit? It’s transparent bullshit.

    They ruin schools. The state with the highest Hispanic population has the worst k-12 education. I’m in the greater Chicago area and any town that has a lot of Hispanics has terrible schools. It’s not debatable. New Mexico is behind every single state, including all of the ones in the deep south. A nearby school that has around 30% latino students has 80% of them failing the proficiency tests while 80% of whites pass. They’re far closer to blacks than whites in this area.

    They largely support illegals because they largely don’t believe in the rule of law. I’m sure that barbarian attitude is a big part of the reason their countries are a mess and they don’t want to live in them.

    They have the fattest children. The second generation has the highest divorce rate of any race. What are we going to do with millions of uneducated, obese, broken home latinos? The first generation has seen the violence and poverty and will work doing manual labor for peanuts. Some will integrate but many won’t and they’ll be a huge problem. They don’t want to integrate and the latino economy is going to be savaged by robot lawnmowers, automated fast food and the like.

    I think the future is self-segregation. We already have it, it’s just not equally socially acceptable.

  438. Joe862 says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    And former Mexican president fox is descended from krauts from Cincinnati.

    from Wikipedia
    “Vicente’s grandfather was born Joseph Louis Fuchs in Cincinnati, Ohio, and was the son of German Catholic immigrants”

  439. Jax says:

    After living so many years in Latin America, it’s remarkable that you still haven’t caught on to the fact that the country called The United States of America is only a part of the hemisphere called “America” and the title of American is not for the exclusive use of its citizens.

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