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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A prominent white nationalist is suing Twitter for banning his accounts at a time when social networks are trying to crack down on hateful and abusive content without appearing to censor unpopular opinions.

Jared Taylor filed the lawsuit Tuesday in state court in San Francisco, marking the latest legal challenge filed by right-wing groups and figures banned from social media sites.

Taylor is the founder of the Virginia-based New Century Foundation, an IRS-classified charity that operates the American Renaissance online magazine. The magazine touts a philosophy that it’s “entirely normal” for whites to want to be a majority race.

Twitter suspended the accounts of well-known white nationalists in December, saying it was enforcing new rules aimed at reducing abusive content. Social media sites are under increasing public pressure to quickly flag and ban abusive, hateful and bullying posts by some of their billions of users.

Twitter’s new policy addresses hateful images or symbols, including those attached to user profiles. The company said its monitors now view hateful imagery in the same way as graphic violence and adult content, which have been banned since the company’s inception.

Taylor said Twitter informed him via email on Dec. 18 that it was suspending his account and one in the magazine’s name, alleging they violated the company’s user agreement barring affiliations with “a violent extremist group.” Twitter didn’t name the extremist group, Taylor said.

Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do. His lawsuit seeks unspecified damages and the restoration of Taylor’s accounts.

Twitter declined to comment on his lawsuit and accounts.

Similar challenges have been filed in California. Conservative activist Charles Johnson has a lawsuit against Twitter pending in a Fresno court after he was banned in 2015. The nonprofit Prager University is suing Google in Los Angeles federal court, alleging YouTube wrongfully censored some of its politically conservative content.

 
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  1. El'geherg says: • Website

    Good for Taylor. His calm, rational reasoning is incredibly dangerous to the mainstream narrative. Unlike other white nationalist leaders who seem to be in it for the ego trip or as a hobby for bored rich kids, Taylor is a serious thinker. Twitter can do what they want but when they lie about AmRen and Taylor being linked to violent extremist groups they should be called out for it.

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    • Agree: MBlanc46
    • Replies: @Thomm

    Unlike other white nationalist leaders who seem to be in it for the ego trip or as a hobby for bored rich kids, Taylor is a serious thinker.
     
    True. But *because* he is intelligent, he has far less of a problem with skilled Asian immigrants than the typical 70-IQ White Trashionalist. He also has not problem with Jews.

    His overlap with White Trashionalists is limited to opposition of lower skilled blacks and Hispanics.

    , @fnn
    But there must be some reason why Taylor spent 20+ years going nowhere until the so-called Alt-Right came along. Here's Derbyshire writing on the Amren conferences in 2007:
    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/USPolitics/ronpaul.html

    A friend of mine, a brilliant, charming, and highly civilized man I shall call X, runs a fringe political group here in the U.S. He invited me to one of the group's annual conferences. Not sure what to expect, I asked a mutual friend, name of Y, who had attended a previous year's conference. "Well," said Y, "there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you'd be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies." I decided not to take up X's invitation.
     
    , @Eagle Eye

    ... Twitter can do what they want ...
     
    Don't swallow their talking points.

    Do we let the Post Office refuse to carry Jane's mail because they don't like her opinions?

    Even 100 years ago, we did not simply let railroads and other monopolies play their games.

    As "common carriers" in a quasi-monopoly position, Google, Facebook, Twitter etc. need to be available to all members of the public on a reasonable basis. Bans and "demonetization" can be tolerated only where the reasons stand up to public scrutiny in an independent court of law.

    At a minimum, we must insist on open access, no demonetization, no shadow-banning, no leaking, no doxing, all guaranteed by public laws that cannot be displaced by "terms and conditions" and unwritten rules.

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  2. The truth is hate speech now, so pretty much everybody who doesn’t go along with the MSM/CIA/Zio narrative is banished.
    Yep, that Austrian dude was right.
    They’re a day late and a shekel short though, the truth is out already.

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    Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech (First Amendment to Constitution oe US.)
    but nothing in the constitution attaches duty to the 527 slave drivers to protect your rights if those rights are abused by a private corporation. The 527 persons are selected by the Pharaohs, the selectees are called candidates, and the public is allowed to elect one for each position, by choosing and voting for one, from two pharaoh chosen candidates. There are 527 slave driver positions: 100 senators, 425 members of the house, and a president and a vice president. Hence half of 1054 pharaoh selected candidates, are when elected, paid a salary ( tax payers fund the payment) The 527 selected, elected, salaried, privileged law makers and foreign affairs managers have the job to manage and control 340,000,000 slaves and to conduct activities outside of America as they see fit. Since slaves have no voice in government, and no means to hire and pay lobbyist, the 527 Americans were allowed to elect , answer only to the demands of the Pharaohs.
    The constitution lays out the duties, powers, and rights of the 527 selected, elected, salaried, privileged slave drivers, but no where in the constitution can i find any duty to prevent a private corporation from abridging the freedom of speech; in fact if it wishes a corporation seems able to deny all persons any right to speak and that in and of itself does not seem to violate the Freedom of Speech Amendment in the US constitution because the amendment is merely a contract clause that limits the power of congress (527 slave drivers); Congress cannot deny those it governs the right to speak. But when a private corporation denies or abridges a persons right to speak, do the 527 have the authority to make that corporate act illegal, probably, but do the 525 members of congress and two top dogs have a duty of any kind to make it illegal for a corporation to deny those who are the governed slaves their rights to speak.? I think not!
    So by privatizing access to the public media, the Pharaohs have discovered how to quash the constitutional guarantees that everyone has a right to speak. This is the result of privatization, and privatization is a result of capitalism, in fact any thing public can not be profitable to a for profit entity. To make a profit from public goods, it is necessary to first privatize the public thing. Can't make money from a government operated garbage collection service, but if the government gave a contract to a private corporation, the private corporation can make bucks from the once public, now private enterprise.
    So can a pharaoh owned, private corporation deny whomever it wishes the right to speak? In America, it seems Pharaoh owned, privately managed and owned public corporate access to the public media can deny American citizens your constitutional right to speak and lobbyist will be sure the 527 do not make laws the make it illegal for a corporation to deny speech to whomever it wishes.
    There you have it, a revolution, corporations manage the government; the same as if the nation had been invaded by a foreign power and the foreign power installed a military government to manage the civil government.. Here it is the private corporation that is managing the civil government.
    Privatization has muted the bill of rights. Privatization has allowed the Pharaohs to manipulate the constitution itself into a instrument of tyranny that the Pharaohs can use to manipulate the slaves. Unless you are a Pharaoh (capitalist) or one of the 527 slave drivers, you need to consider the impact of this turn of events. It means you will work harder to make the rich, richer; but more importantly it means your children will enjoy fewer opportunities, and a lesser relative quality of life, than you did.
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  3. Thomm says:
    @El'geherg
    Good for Taylor. His calm, rational reasoning is incredibly dangerous to the mainstream narrative. Unlike other white nationalist leaders who seem to be in it for the ego trip or as a hobby for bored rich kids, Taylor is a serious thinker. Twitter can do what they want but when they lie about AmRen and Taylor being linked to violent extremist groups they should be called out for it.

    Unlike other white nationalist leaders who seem to be in it for the ego trip or as a hobby for bored rich kids, Taylor is a serious thinker.

    True. But *because* he is intelligent, he has far less of a problem with skilled Asian immigrants than the typical 70-IQ White Trashionalist. He also has not problem with Jews.

    His overlap with White Trashionalists is limited to opposition of lower skilled blacks and Hispanics.

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    said:
    "he typical 70-IQ White"

    Except that is not the typical euro white IQ. Far from it.
    , @Colleen Pater
    Because its soo much smarter to be more worried about your dumb competitors than the ones smarter than you?
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  4. Mr. XYZ says:

    : 70 IQ is a bit too low even for dumb White nationalists, no?

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  5. Thomm says:

    : 70 IQ is a bit too low even for dumb White nationalists, no?

    One would think so, but they really have Negro IQs.

    For example, they are unable to read even the simplest graphs and charts.

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  6. @redmudhooch
    The truth is hate speech now, so pretty much everybody who doesn't go along with the MSM/CIA/Zio narrative is banished.
    Yep, that Austrian dude was right.
    They're a day late and a shekel short though, the truth is out already.

    Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech (First Amendment to Constitution oe US.)
    but nothing in the constitution attaches duty to the 527 slave drivers to protect your rights if those rights are abused by a private corporation. The 527 persons are selected by the Pharaohs, the selectees are called candidates, and the public is allowed to elect one for each position, by choosing and voting for one, from two pharaoh chosen candidates. There are 527 slave driver positions: 100 senators, 425 members of the house, and a president and a vice president. Hence half of 1054 pharaoh selected candidates, are when elected, paid a salary ( tax payers fund the payment) The 527 selected, elected, salaried, privileged law makers and foreign affairs managers have the job to manage and control 340,000,000 slaves and to conduct activities outside of America as they see fit. Since slaves have no voice in government, and no means to hire and pay lobbyist, the 527 Americans were allowed to elect , answer only to the demands of the Pharaohs.
    The constitution lays out the duties, powers, and rights of the 527 selected, elected, salaried, privileged slave drivers, but no where in the constitution can i find any duty to prevent a private corporation from abridging the freedom of speech; in fact if it wishes a corporation seems able to deny all persons any right to speak and that in and of itself does not seem to violate the Freedom of Speech Amendment in the US constitution because the amendment is merely a contract clause that limits the power of congress (527 slave drivers); Congress cannot deny those it governs the right to speak. But when a private corporation denies or abridges a persons right to speak, do the 527 have the authority to make that corporate act illegal, probably, but do the 525 members of congress and two top dogs have a duty of any kind to make it illegal for a corporation to deny those who are the governed slaves their rights to speak.? I think not!
    So by privatizing access to the public media, the Pharaohs have discovered how to quash the constitutional guarantees that everyone has a right to speak. This is the result of privatization, and privatization is a result of capitalism, in fact any thing public can not be profitable to a for profit entity. To make a profit from public goods, it is necessary to first privatize the public thing. Can’t make money from a government operated garbage collection service, but if the government gave a contract to a private corporation, the private corporation can make bucks from the once public, now private enterprise.
    So can a pharaoh owned, private corporation deny whomever it wishes the right to speak? In America, it seems Pharaoh owned, privately managed and owned public corporate access to the public media can deny American citizens your constitutional right to speak and lobbyist will be sure the 527 do not make laws the make it illegal for a corporation to deny speech to whomever it wishes.
    There you have it, a revolution, corporations manage the government; the same as if the nation had been invaded by a foreign power and the foreign power installed a military government to manage the civil government.. Here it is the private corporation that is managing the civil government.
    Privatization has muted the bill of rights. Privatization has allowed the Pharaohs to manipulate the constitution itself into a instrument of tyranny that the Pharaohs can use to manipulate the slaves. Unless you are a Pharaoh (capitalist) or one of the 527 slave drivers, you need to consider the impact of this turn of events. It means you will work harder to make the rich, richer; but more importantly it means your children will enjoy fewer opportunities, and a lesser relative quality of life, than you did.

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    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    As you can see in your own quoting of the 1st Amendment, that line is a restriction on CONGRESS. Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech. Twitter is not Congress, so Twitter's management can do as they like regarding allowing access to their system.

    Starting with a misconception means your conclusion will be wrong.

    Users of Twitter don't have a natural right to access Twitter. Why not let Twitter show their platform to be a propaganda site for one side of political debate to the exclusion of others? They will show themselves to be what they are. Alternatives will arise and people who don't like Twitter policies can switch to an alternative site.

    Your screed is hard to read, since there are no breaks, even where you seemed to intend a paragraph break. You might also want to drop all the euphemisms and simply state what you want to say in plain English. "Pharaohs" are ancient Egyptian kings. If you mean Congress, you should say so.

    , @Sane Left Libertarian
    There is the rub. Since I don't social media, I haven't a clue about twitter or facebook or what have you, but this has nothing to do with the first amendment. If I tell one of the nuns who run my school to fu(k off, the 1A protects me from being prosecuted. But I will be out of a job as soon as security can be dispatched to my office. The owners of youtube have no obligation to allow porn, gory crime scene videos, or anything else. Jared Taylor can set up his own video-sharing or twitter-esque apparatus and post whatever he wants.

    Same thing goes for that snowflake who's on his 16th minute of fame for suing google over making him uncomfortable by being too inclusive. Hey, betaman - get a job somewhere else. there are 1200 right wing radio stations, hundreds of "think tanks", magazines, newspapers, legislative offices, and so on where liberals are strictly verboten. Better yet, start your own google competition and keep the liberals out. You'll be a hero to your tribe.

    OTOH, living to see Jared Taylor become a sjw is an accomplishment of which I am proud.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    425 members of the house
     
    Sue your high school. There are 435 members of the House of Representatives.
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  7. Beliavsky says:

    “Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do.”

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    Are you sure about that?

    Please furnish the best evidence for your assertion that "[h]e advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded." I would expect this to be a quotation from a sourced publication of the man's own, written words.
    , @ThreeCranes
    Nonsense. We could purchase a good chunk of African real estate and offer all blacks a cash incentive to board the plane and depart. The carrot, not the stick, just as Israel is doing (having taken up my suggestion to this effect which I submitted as a comment both here and at Amren a number of years ago). It's basic psychology; Blacks, with their low time preference, will take the immediate gibs.

    If we were smart, we would pay them in a form of currency that can be redeemed exclusively in the purchase of American goods and services. This would directly stimulate our economy and translate into jobs for white people.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence
     
    But the violence will come from the outside, not Taylor's. You neglected to specify that much.

    This is what happens when he and others try to speak on campus-- they get disinvited thanks to their opponents' "potential"-- i.e. guaranteed-- violence. Remember, the Free Speech Movement was never about yours.
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.
     
    On the contrary, it could be achieved through peaceful, democratic means, and that is precisely how Dr. Tayor advocates it be done. One might as well suggest anyone who doesn't favor wholesale dismantling of the Department of Defense is an "advocate of violence", using the rather silly rhetorical standard you seem to be favoring.
    , @ben tillman

    “Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do.”

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.
     

    Separation can be voluntary. But he is not associated with any violent GROUP, so Twitter is lying about the reason for his banning.
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  8. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Beliavsky
    "Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do."

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.

    Are you sure about that?

    Please furnish the best evidence for your assertion that “[h]e advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded.” I would expect this to be a quotation from a sourced publication of the man’s own, written words.

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    Taylor and his associates do want to carve out part of the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded. Ethnic cleansing does not happen with violence. Taylor et al. are evil. You can recognize HBD without advocating a bloodbath. Here are some quotes. Other people speaking at the conference, quoted in the article, were more explicit than Taylor, but they all want the same thing.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2013/04/07/american-renaissance-speakers-call-white-homeland
    'Jared Taylor, head of American Renaissance, also took up the white homeland message. He opened his speech saying, “We want a homeland where we are a majority. We almost had one in the United States of America.” Taylor worries that by 2060, whites will only make up thirty percent of the population and Latinos will be the majority (The U.S. Census Bureau predicts whites will become a minority in the 2040s and no ethnic or racial group will be the majority). “Our government is permitting a neighboring country [meaning Mexico] to invade our country. We have a government of traitors,” Taylor raged. He lamented, “White people who express a desire for a homeland are labeled as haters.”

    ...

    Sounding more ominous than usual, Taylor concluded, “We want a homeland…Think of secession…Think of hometowns. We have to build them ourselves…Survival is the first law. We have no choice but to keep fighting.”'

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  9. Renoman says:

    Ah Twitter, the name says it all.

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  10. @Beliavsky
    "Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do."

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.

    Nonsense. We could purchase a good chunk of African real estate and offer all blacks a cash incentive to board the plane and depart. The carrot, not the stick, just as Israel is doing (having taken up my suggestion to this effect which I submitted as a comment both here and at Amren a number of years ago). It’s basic psychology; Blacks, with their low time preference, will take the immediate gibs.

    If we were smart, we would pay them in a form of currency that can be redeemed exclusively in the purchase of American goods and services. This would directly stimulate our economy and translate into jobs for white people.

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  11. Beliavsky says:
    @anonymous
    Are you sure about that?

    Please furnish the best evidence for your assertion that "[h]e advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded." I would expect this to be a quotation from a sourced publication of the man's own, written words.

    Taylor and his associates do want to carve out part of the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded. Ethnic cleansing does not happen with violence. Taylor et al. are evil. You can recognize HBD without advocating a bloodbath. Here are some quotes. Other people speaking at the conference, quoted in the article, were more explicit than Taylor, but they all want the same thing.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2013/04/07/american-renaissance-speakers-call-white-homeland

    ‘Jared Taylor, head of American Renaissance, also took up the white homeland message. He opened his speech saying, “We want a homeland where we are a majority. We almost had one in the United States of America.” Taylor worries that by 2060, whites will only make up thirty percent of the population and Latinos will be the majority (The U.S. Census Bureau predicts whites will become a minority in the 2040s and no ethnic or racial group will be the majority). “Our government is permitting a neighboring country [meaning Mexico] to invade our country. We have a government of traitors,” Taylor raged. He lamented, “White people who express a desire for a homeland are labeled as haters.”

    Sounding more ominous than usual, Taylor concluded, “We want a homeland…Think of secession…Think of hometowns. We have to build them ourselves…Survival is the first law. We have no choice but to keep fighting.”’

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    Thank you. But it’s evident that you were exaggerating.
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  12. @smellyoilandgas
    Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech (First Amendment to Constitution oe US.)
    but nothing in the constitution attaches duty to the 527 slave drivers to protect your rights if those rights are abused by a private corporation. The 527 persons are selected by the Pharaohs, the selectees are called candidates, and the public is allowed to elect one for each position, by choosing and voting for one, from two pharaoh chosen candidates. There are 527 slave driver positions: 100 senators, 425 members of the house, and a president and a vice president. Hence half of 1054 pharaoh selected candidates, are when elected, paid a salary ( tax payers fund the payment) The 527 selected, elected, salaried, privileged law makers and foreign affairs managers have the job to manage and control 340,000,000 slaves and to conduct activities outside of America as they see fit. Since slaves have no voice in government, and no means to hire and pay lobbyist, the 527 Americans were allowed to elect , answer only to the demands of the Pharaohs.
    The constitution lays out the duties, powers, and rights of the 527 selected, elected, salaried, privileged slave drivers, but no where in the constitution can i find any duty to prevent a private corporation from abridging the freedom of speech; in fact if it wishes a corporation seems able to deny all persons any right to speak and that in and of itself does not seem to violate the Freedom of Speech Amendment in the US constitution because the amendment is merely a contract clause that limits the power of congress (527 slave drivers); Congress cannot deny those it governs the right to speak. But when a private corporation denies or abridges a persons right to speak, do the 527 have the authority to make that corporate act illegal, probably, but do the 525 members of congress and two top dogs have a duty of any kind to make it illegal for a corporation to deny those who are the governed slaves their rights to speak.? I think not!
    So by privatizing access to the public media, the Pharaohs have discovered how to quash the constitutional guarantees that everyone has a right to speak. This is the result of privatization, and privatization is a result of capitalism, in fact any thing public can not be profitable to a for profit entity. To make a profit from public goods, it is necessary to first privatize the public thing. Can't make money from a government operated garbage collection service, but if the government gave a contract to a private corporation, the private corporation can make bucks from the once public, now private enterprise.
    So can a pharaoh owned, private corporation deny whomever it wishes the right to speak? In America, it seems Pharaoh owned, privately managed and owned public corporate access to the public media can deny American citizens your constitutional right to speak and lobbyist will be sure the 527 do not make laws the make it illegal for a corporation to deny speech to whomever it wishes.
    There you have it, a revolution, corporations manage the government; the same as if the nation had been invaded by a foreign power and the foreign power installed a military government to manage the civil government.. Here it is the private corporation that is managing the civil government.
    Privatization has muted the bill of rights. Privatization has allowed the Pharaohs to manipulate the constitution itself into a instrument of tyranny that the Pharaohs can use to manipulate the slaves. Unless you are a Pharaoh (capitalist) or one of the 527 slave drivers, you need to consider the impact of this turn of events. It means you will work harder to make the rich, richer; but more importantly it means your children will enjoy fewer opportunities, and a lesser relative quality of life, than you did.

    As you can see in your own quoting of the 1st Amendment, that line is a restriction on CONGRESS. Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech. Twitter is not Congress, so Twitter’s management can do as they like regarding allowing access to their system.

    Starting with a misconception means your conclusion will be wrong.

    Users of Twitter don’t have a natural right to access Twitter. Why not let Twitter show their platform to be a propaganda site for one side of political debate to the exclusion of others? They will show themselves to be what they are. Alternatives will arise and people who don’t like Twitter policies can switch to an alternative site.

    Your screed is hard to read, since there are no breaks, even where you seemed to intend a paragraph break. You might also want to drop all the euphemisms and simply state what you want to say in plain English. “Pharaohs” are ancient Egyptian kings. If you mean Congress, you should say so.

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    Twitter is not Congress, so Twitter’s management can do as they like regarding allowing access to their system
     
    They are not allowed to use it for slander and libel, however. The First Amendment is irrelevant there. Same with fraud.

    In any case, it will be useful to get Twitter's malleable definitions of "hateful" and "violent" on record in a court of law. Neither word applies to Taylor, according to my many dictionaries.

    , @The Alarmist
    I dunno ... now that the Federal and local governments use Twitter as an emergency communications channel, and it is a ubiquitous means of communication throughout our society, there is ample precedent for Twitter to be deemed a Common Carrier under Title 2 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and mandated to carry all traffic.

    Of course, Twitter will no doubt want to charge people for the burden of carrying them, and this might actually lead to the diminution, if not outright demise of Twitter, but would that be such a bad thing condidering how weaponized it has become against a rather large swath of society?

    I feel no qualms about advocating regulation of a private business that is dishonest about how toxic it is for the society at large.

    Put it this way: Twitter can be implicated in the deaths of more children by bullying-induced suicide or stupid death by "Look at me" pranks than all the school shooters in this century.

    If not for Jared, then do it for the children.

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  13. fnn says:
    @El'geherg
    Good for Taylor. His calm, rational reasoning is incredibly dangerous to the mainstream narrative. Unlike other white nationalist leaders who seem to be in it for the ego trip or as a hobby for bored rich kids, Taylor is a serious thinker. Twitter can do what they want but when they lie about AmRen and Taylor being linked to violent extremist groups they should be called out for it.

    But there must be some reason why Taylor spent 20+ years going nowhere until the so-called Alt-Right came along. Here’s Derbyshire writing on the Amren conferences in 2007:

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/USPolitics/ronpaul.html

    A friend of mine, a brilliant, charming, and highly civilized man I shall call X, runs a fringe political group here in the U.S. He invited me to one of the group’s annual conferences. Not sure what to expect, I asked a mutual friend, name of Y, who had attended a previous year’s conference. “Well,” said Y, “there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you’d be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies.” I decided not to take up X’s invitation.

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    “there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you’d be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies.” I decided not to take up X’s invitation.
     
    That is a superb explanation of what the White Trashionalists are, and why no one wants anything to do with them (white women, in particular, avoid WNs at all costs).

    Yes, a small number of Jared Taylor-types are intelligent. But they are outnumbered by the revolting WN Wiggers.
    , @Sane Left Libertarian

    Well,” said Y, “there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you’d be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies.”
     
    So that's pretty much 99.9999% of the internet discussion boards in existence.
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  14. Thomm says:
    @fnn
    But there must be some reason why Taylor spent 20+ years going nowhere until the so-called Alt-Right came along. Here's Derbyshire writing on the Amren conferences in 2007:
    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/USPolitics/ronpaul.html

    A friend of mine, a brilliant, charming, and highly civilized man I shall call X, runs a fringe political group here in the U.S. He invited me to one of the group's annual conferences. Not sure what to expect, I asked a mutual friend, name of Y, who had attended a previous year's conference. "Well," said Y, "there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you'd be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies." I decided not to take up X's invitation.
     

    “there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you’d be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies.” I decided not to take up X’s invitation.

    That is a superb explanation of what the White Trashionalists are, and why no one wants anything to do with them (white women, in particular, avoid WNs at all costs).

    Yes, a small number of Jared Taylor-types are intelligent. But they are outnumbered by the revolting WN Wiggers.

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    Yes, a small number of Jared Taylor-types are intelligent. But they are outnumbered by the revolting WN Wiggers.

     

    Still, revolting beats treasonous every time.
    , @fnn
    I should have pointed out that I've read (no personal knowledge) that the quality and numbers have gone up considerably in the last few years.
    , @Anonymous
    Stuff a sock in it you sheenie. You'd look good as a lampshade. Or as a bar of soap.
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  15. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Beliavsky
    Taylor and his associates do want to carve out part of the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded. Ethnic cleansing does not happen with violence. Taylor et al. are evil. You can recognize HBD without advocating a bloodbath. Here are some quotes. Other people speaking at the conference, quoted in the article, were more explicit than Taylor, but they all want the same thing.

    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2013/04/07/american-renaissance-speakers-call-white-homeland
    'Jared Taylor, head of American Renaissance, also took up the white homeland message. He opened his speech saying, “We want a homeland where we are a majority. We almost had one in the United States of America.” Taylor worries that by 2060, whites will only make up thirty percent of the population and Latinos will be the majority (The U.S. Census Bureau predicts whites will become a minority in the 2040s and no ethnic or racial group will be the majority). “Our government is permitting a neighboring country [meaning Mexico] to invade our country. We have a government of traitors,” Taylor raged. He lamented, “White people who express a desire for a homeland are labeled as haters.”

    ...

    Sounding more ominous than usual, Taylor concluded, “We want a homeland…Think of secession…Think of hometowns. We have to build them ourselves…Survival is the first law. We have no choice but to keep fighting.”'

    Thank you. But it’s evident that you were exaggerating.

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  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Government contractors like Jared Taylor serve the police state. Why would anyone who supports the right to free speech guaranteed by the Constitution support Jared Taylor? The Government and it’s private owners need better examples of why speech should be restricted since dissent is the real problem, Jared Taylor not so much.

    The Government needs someone like Jared Taylor (it always has) when it mandates new restrictions because most of the public will be reliably outraged and demand it. You’ll still have free speech guaranteed by the Consitution but it won’t mean anything. Funny, I thought everyone knew white nationalists were working for the Government.

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  17. @smellyoilandgas
    Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech (First Amendment to Constitution oe US.)
    but nothing in the constitution attaches duty to the 527 slave drivers to protect your rights if those rights are abused by a private corporation. The 527 persons are selected by the Pharaohs, the selectees are called candidates, and the public is allowed to elect one for each position, by choosing and voting for one, from two pharaoh chosen candidates. There are 527 slave driver positions: 100 senators, 425 members of the house, and a president and a vice president. Hence half of 1054 pharaoh selected candidates, are when elected, paid a salary ( tax payers fund the payment) The 527 selected, elected, salaried, privileged law makers and foreign affairs managers have the job to manage and control 340,000,000 slaves and to conduct activities outside of America as they see fit. Since slaves have no voice in government, and no means to hire and pay lobbyist, the 527 Americans were allowed to elect , answer only to the demands of the Pharaohs.
    The constitution lays out the duties, powers, and rights of the 527 selected, elected, salaried, privileged slave drivers, but no where in the constitution can i find any duty to prevent a private corporation from abridging the freedom of speech; in fact if it wishes a corporation seems able to deny all persons any right to speak and that in and of itself does not seem to violate the Freedom of Speech Amendment in the US constitution because the amendment is merely a contract clause that limits the power of congress (527 slave drivers); Congress cannot deny those it governs the right to speak. But when a private corporation denies or abridges a persons right to speak, do the 527 have the authority to make that corporate act illegal, probably, but do the 525 members of congress and two top dogs have a duty of any kind to make it illegal for a corporation to deny those who are the governed slaves their rights to speak.? I think not!
    So by privatizing access to the public media, the Pharaohs have discovered how to quash the constitutional guarantees that everyone has a right to speak. This is the result of privatization, and privatization is a result of capitalism, in fact any thing public can not be profitable to a for profit entity. To make a profit from public goods, it is necessary to first privatize the public thing. Can't make money from a government operated garbage collection service, but if the government gave a contract to a private corporation, the private corporation can make bucks from the once public, now private enterprise.
    So can a pharaoh owned, private corporation deny whomever it wishes the right to speak? In America, it seems Pharaoh owned, privately managed and owned public corporate access to the public media can deny American citizens your constitutional right to speak and lobbyist will be sure the 527 do not make laws the make it illegal for a corporation to deny speech to whomever it wishes.
    There you have it, a revolution, corporations manage the government; the same as if the nation had been invaded by a foreign power and the foreign power installed a military government to manage the civil government.. Here it is the private corporation that is managing the civil government.
    Privatization has muted the bill of rights. Privatization has allowed the Pharaohs to manipulate the constitution itself into a instrument of tyranny that the Pharaohs can use to manipulate the slaves. Unless you are a Pharaoh (capitalist) or one of the 527 slave drivers, you need to consider the impact of this turn of events. It means you will work harder to make the rich, richer; but more importantly it means your children will enjoy fewer opportunities, and a lesser relative quality of life, than you did.

    There is the rub. Since I don’t social media, I haven’t a clue about twitter or facebook or what have you, but this has nothing to do with the first amendment. If I tell one of the nuns who run my school to fu(k off, the 1A protects me from being prosecuted. But I will be out of a job as soon as security can be dispatched to my office. The owners of youtube have no obligation to allow porn, gory crime scene videos, or anything else. Jared Taylor can set up his own video-sharing or twitter-esque apparatus and post whatever he wants.

    Same thing goes for that snowflake who’s on his 16th minute of fame for suing google over making him uncomfortable by being too inclusive. Hey, betaman – get a job somewhere else. there are 1200 right wing radio stations, hundreds of “think tanks”, magazines, newspapers, legislative offices, and so on where liberals are strictly verboten. Better yet, start your own google competition and keep the liberals out. You’ll be a hero to your tribe.

    OTOH, living to see Jared Taylor become a sjw is an accomplishment of which I am proud.

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    The owners of youtube have no obligation to allow porn, gory crime scene videos, or anything else. Jared Taylor can set up his own video-sharing or twitter-esque apparatus and post whatever he wants.
     
    The owners of Edison Electric have no obligation* to permit the use of their current in homes where people peruse porn, gory crime scene videos, or anything else. Jared Taylor can set up his own electrical-generation plant, or nuclear reactor apparatus and post whatever he wants.


    *Actually, they do have such an obligation. Because they are monopolies. And so, effectively, are Twitter and YouTube.

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  18. @fnn
    But there must be some reason why Taylor spent 20+ years going nowhere until the so-called Alt-Right came along. Here's Derbyshire writing on the Amren conferences in 2007:
    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/USPolitics/ronpaul.html

    A friend of mine, a brilliant, charming, and highly civilized man I shall call X, runs a fringe political group here in the U.S. He invited me to one of the group's annual conferences. Not sure what to expect, I asked a mutual friend, name of Y, who had attended a previous year's conference. "Well," said Y, "there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you'd be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies." I decided not to take up X's invitation.
     

    Well,” said Y, “there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you’d be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies.”

    So that’s pretty much 99.9999% of the internet discussion boards in existence.

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  19. “an IRS-classified charity”

    Nice of the AP to draw an “attack here” target for their slower readers.

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  20. @Thomm

    “there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you’d be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies.” I decided not to take up X’s invitation.
     
    That is a superb explanation of what the White Trashionalists are, and why no one wants anything to do with them (white women, in particular, avoid WNs at all costs).

    Yes, a small number of Jared Taylor-types are intelligent. But they are outnumbered by the revolting WN Wiggers.

    Yes, a small number of Jared Taylor-types are intelligent. But they are outnumbered by the revolting WN Wiggers.

    Still, revolting beats treasonous every time.

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    Generally, people that spend their time and energy calling other people stupid are of middling intelligence themselves. They are not stupid in the sense of having a double-digit IQ (or Thumb would never have found this site), but deep down they know they're mostly engaging with people of higher intelligence, and that angers them to a degree.

    I speak from experience - I have a somewhat dim-witted cousin who has spent the past 40 years making "you're stupid and I'm not" the central thesis of every discussion with someone with whom she disagrees. 20+ years ago I realized her cognitive limitations and gave up asking her to construct an actual argument and not just resort to name-calling.

    The best way to deal with someone like Thumb (or my cousin) is to realize that, due to their cognitive limitations and internalized anger, they're not capable of adding anything useful to the discussion and so should be disregarded. Just add him to your "Commenters to be ignored" and move on.

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  21. @Beliavsky
    "Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do."

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.

    He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence

    But the violence will come from the outside, not Taylor’s. You neglected to specify that much.

    This is what happens when he and others try to speak on campus– they get disinvited thanks to their opponents’ “potential”– i.e. guaranteed– violence. Remember, the Free Speech Movement was never about yours.

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  22. @smellyoilandgas
    Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech (First Amendment to Constitution oe US.)
    but nothing in the constitution attaches duty to the 527 slave drivers to protect your rights if those rights are abused by a private corporation. The 527 persons are selected by the Pharaohs, the selectees are called candidates, and the public is allowed to elect one for each position, by choosing and voting for one, from two pharaoh chosen candidates. There are 527 slave driver positions: 100 senators, 425 members of the house, and a president and a vice president. Hence half of 1054 pharaoh selected candidates, are when elected, paid a salary ( tax payers fund the payment) The 527 selected, elected, salaried, privileged law makers and foreign affairs managers have the job to manage and control 340,000,000 slaves and to conduct activities outside of America as they see fit. Since slaves have no voice in government, and no means to hire and pay lobbyist, the 527 Americans were allowed to elect , answer only to the demands of the Pharaohs.
    The constitution lays out the duties, powers, and rights of the 527 selected, elected, salaried, privileged slave drivers, but no where in the constitution can i find any duty to prevent a private corporation from abridging the freedom of speech; in fact if it wishes a corporation seems able to deny all persons any right to speak and that in and of itself does not seem to violate the Freedom of Speech Amendment in the US constitution because the amendment is merely a contract clause that limits the power of congress (527 slave drivers); Congress cannot deny those it governs the right to speak. But when a private corporation denies or abridges a persons right to speak, do the 527 have the authority to make that corporate act illegal, probably, but do the 525 members of congress and two top dogs have a duty of any kind to make it illegal for a corporation to deny those who are the governed slaves their rights to speak.? I think not!
    So by privatizing access to the public media, the Pharaohs have discovered how to quash the constitutional guarantees that everyone has a right to speak. This is the result of privatization, and privatization is a result of capitalism, in fact any thing public can not be profitable to a for profit entity. To make a profit from public goods, it is necessary to first privatize the public thing. Can't make money from a government operated garbage collection service, but if the government gave a contract to a private corporation, the private corporation can make bucks from the once public, now private enterprise.
    So can a pharaoh owned, private corporation deny whomever it wishes the right to speak? In America, it seems Pharaoh owned, privately managed and owned public corporate access to the public media can deny American citizens your constitutional right to speak and lobbyist will be sure the 527 do not make laws the make it illegal for a corporation to deny speech to whomever it wishes.
    There you have it, a revolution, corporations manage the government; the same as if the nation had been invaded by a foreign power and the foreign power installed a military government to manage the civil government.. Here it is the private corporation that is managing the civil government.
    Privatization has muted the bill of rights. Privatization has allowed the Pharaohs to manipulate the constitution itself into a instrument of tyranny that the Pharaohs can use to manipulate the slaves. Unless you are a Pharaoh (capitalist) or one of the 527 slave drivers, you need to consider the impact of this turn of events. It means you will work harder to make the rich, richer; but more importantly it means your children will enjoy fewer opportunities, and a lesser relative quality of life, than you did.

    425 members of the house

    Sue your high school. There are 435 members of the House of Representatives.

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  23. @Twodees Partain
    As you can see in your own quoting of the 1st Amendment, that line is a restriction on CONGRESS. Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech. Twitter is not Congress, so Twitter's management can do as they like regarding allowing access to their system.

    Starting with a misconception means your conclusion will be wrong.

    Users of Twitter don't have a natural right to access Twitter. Why not let Twitter show their platform to be a propaganda site for one side of political debate to the exclusion of others? They will show themselves to be what they are. Alternatives will arise and people who don't like Twitter policies can switch to an alternative site.

    Your screed is hard to read, since there are no breaks, even where you seemed to intend a paragraph break. You might also want to drop all the euphemisms and simply state what you want to say in plain English. "Pharaohs" are ancient Egyptian kings. If you mean Congress, you should say so.

    Twitter is not Congress, so Twitter’s management can do as they like regarding allowing access to their system

    They are not allowed to use it for slander and libel, however. The First Amendment is irrelevant there. Same with fraud.

    In any case, it will be useful to get Twitter’s malleable definitions of “hateful” and “violent” on record in a court of law. Neither word applies to Taylor, according to my many dictionaries.

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  24. Wally says:
    @Thomm

    Unlike other white nationalist leaders who seem to be in it for the ego trip or as a hobby for bored rich kids, Taylor is a serious thinker.
     
    True. But *because* he is intelligent, he has far less of a problem with skilled Asian immigrants than the typical 70-IQ White Trashionalist. He also has not problem with Jews.

    His overlap with White Trashionalists is limited to opposition of lower skilled blacks and Hispanics.

    said:
    “he typical 70-IQ White”

    Except that is not the typical euro white IQ. Far from it.

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    Except that is not the typical euro white IQ. Far from it.
     
    You didn't understand the comment.

    WNs are a defective subrace of whites. They are very different from normal whites.

    Normal whites have an average IQ of about 104, while WNs (and fat feminists as the female counterpart) are around 70.
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  25. American Renaissance is a simple magazine with a few original articles per month. Most of their stuff is nothing more than scrapings of the mainstream media which deal with themes related to violence against society, fake reports by minorities, and data. It’s hardly some radical group. There is never a condemnation of Israel, Jews or anything related to them.

    If you check Taylor’s background and his wife’s you should be suspicious especially if you delve deeply enough. I put it at 75% American Renaissance is CIA influenced, controlled and funded. Here’s some more food for thought: Infowars-Mossad; Stormfront-CIA; Rense-CIA; Daily Stormer-CIA; Bretbart-Israel and Mossad. Don’t laugh until you investigate in detail their family background, financing, and who actually runs them.

    It’s like the Klan which for the most part doesn’t really exist in any numbers. But is marched out when needed by the FBI and their informants for government purposes.

    As far as First Amendment Rights and private corporations this doesn’t apply to blacks and minorities because the NFL is a private corporation and they can’t stop “the free speech” of the black mob. You try the same stuff at work and see how long you last. As the guy at Google found out it doesn’t exist for the rest of us. It would be interesting to see in court whether Google, Twitter, Facebook and the rest of Jewish owned companies who control the net can defend the black rap lyrics, statements, and overt racism of these groups and yet ban something that is political or actual data that they don’t like.

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  26. Svigor says:

    Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech (First Amendment to Constitution oe US.)
    but nothing in the constitution attaches duty to the 527 slave drivers to protect your rights if those rights are abused by a private corporation.

    But one could easily make the argument that allowing companies that abridge free speech any kind of tax break whatsoever is a violation of the first amendment.

    It’s also very bad optics, at the least, for any political office-holder or gov’t employee to be seen associating in any way with companies that abridge free speech.

    True. But *because* he is intelligent, he has far less of a problem with skilled Asian immigrants than the typical 70-IQ White Trashionalist. He also has not problem with Jews.

    His overlap with White Trashionalists is limited to opposition of lower skilled blacks and Hispanics.

    You have to go back.

    “Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do.”

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.

    Typical leftist projection.

    “Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do.”

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.

    You are being disingenuous; holding whites to standards you don’t hold non-whites to.

    As you can see in your own quoting of the 1st Amendment, that line is a restriction on CONGRESS. Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech. Twitter is not Congress, so Twitter’s management can do as they like regarding allowing access to their system.

    True, but abridgement can be widely interpreted. E.g., making laws that enable media companies to abridge free speech could easily be interpreted as unconstitutional.

    That is a superb explanation of what the White Trashionalists are, and why no one wants anything to do with them (white women, in particular, avoid WNs at all costs).

    ‘Cept for that Jew broad who was married to one, tried desperately to bear his child, and still pines for him, even after he left her for another woman.

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    'Svigor' actually RHYMES with Wigger. How appropriate.

    Hey, Swigger, what next?

    Heh heh heh heh
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  27. Svigor says:

    WNs clearly make Thommy break out in a WOG-sweat.

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  28. Thomm says:
    @Wally
    said:
    "he typical 70-IQ White"

    Except that is not the typical euro white IQ. Far from it.

    Except that is not the typical euro white IQ. Far from it.

    You didn’t understand the comment.

    WNs are a defective subrace of whites. They are very different from normal whites.

    Normal whites have an average IQ of about 104, while WNs (and fat feminists as the female counterpart) are around 70.

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    I'm all but certain I am a white nationalist by your lights, as is Mr. Taylor. I expect our intelligence quotients do not comportas with your assertion.

    What do you reckon Sam Francis' IQ was? Enoch Powell's?

    I suspect you've created a straw-man, whereby white nationalists are equated to the sort of cartoonish caricature one seldom finds outside of The Jerry Springer Show and reruns of Cops, conveniently ignoring the overwhelming revealed preferences of even those not so forthright or articulate as others among us. What's more, the deafening silence by anyone to seriously engage with the droning drumbeat of "white trashionalist" (you come up with that yourself?) suggests it is less effective than "rich, Corinthian leather" at peddling your brand....
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  29. Thomm says:
    @Svigor

    Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech (First Amendment to Constitution oe US.)
    but nothing in the constitution attaches duty to the 527 slave drivers to protect your rights if those rights are abused by a private corporation.
     
    But one could easily make the argument that allowing companies that abridge free speech any kind of tax break whatsoever is a violation of the first amendment.

    It's also very bad optics, at the least, for any political office-holder or gov't employee to be seen associating in any way with companies that abridge free speech.

    True. But *because* he is intelligent, he has far less of a problem with skilled Asian immigrants than the typical 70-IQ White Trashionalist. He also has not problem with Jews.

    His overlap with White Trashionalists is limited to opposition of lower skilled blacks and Hispanics.
     
    You have to go back.

    “Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do.”

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.
     
    Typical leftist projection.

    “Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do.”

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.
     
    You are being disingenuous; holding whites to standards you don't hold non-whites to.

    As you can see in your own quoting of the 1st Amendment, that line is a restriction on CONGRESS. Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech. Twitter is not Congress, so Twitter’s management can do as they like regarding allowing access to their system.
     
    True, but abridgement can be widely interpreted. E.g., making laws that enable media companies to abridge free speech could easily be interpreted as unconstitutional.

    That is a superb explanation of what the White Trashionalists are, and why no one wants anything to do with them (white women, in particular, avoid WNs at all costs).
     
    'Cept for that Jew broad who was married to one, tried desperately to bear his child, and still pines for him, even after he left her for another woman.

    ‘Svigor’ actually RHYMES with Wigger. How appropriate.

    Hey, Swigger, what next?

    Heh heh heh heh

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  30. joe webb says:

    lots of trash talk here.

    White Nationalists are often a bit goofy but they are not stupid. And the daffy 70 that gets posted here, being the average for Black Africa, reveals nothing but hatred and, truly, ignorance.

    Why don’t you folks who are so concerned about IQ ask yourselves why the higher IQ types as in the White
    upper-middle-class, whose IQs are around 120, are cowards and running dogs for the capitalists, never met an immigrant they did not want supported by other white people’s money, vote themselves sanctuary cities, refuse Darwinian science with regard to racial intelligence differences, as well as temperament differences…like East Asians who are a tad smarter than Whites but who love totalitarian systems…in short, Oriental Despotism, and have never demanded free speech in their entire racial history, etc, etc. …White liberals are selfish to the point of national suicide..

    How come you got nothing to say about this? What kind of a program do you have, if not separation and segregation of the races? Let’s hear it. No more same old. You got your Nietzsche or your Buckley, or , or, or…
    “I’m a conservative! I know better”. No…you don’t. fascism of some type is coming…look at Europe. You want to keep your hands O so clean…No to nazis…then where is the Yes…to what?

    Are you left-wing Trumpers or what, or even Dems with angst? Trump is apparently eating jewish shit by the boatload, and promoting more war for the jews. Amazing. Hand wringers who cannot think your way out of a Jew York Times article? Or what.? In short, What Are You For?

    National Suicide…..more

    That suicide is accomplished by the upper middle class abandoning their working class brothers and sisters, as well as their own children, to the Dark future of very stupid and savage third worlders …destroying their country but not until they , the upper middle types , have made their money, retired to god knows where to sip Pina coladas, fuck, and watch television and then die. Apres moi, le deluge.

    White Nationalists with all their warts, especially a definite strain of HItlerism, are worth more than all the upper-middle white cowards and grifters, grubbing for money and prestige in the System of whatever this mess is….and pinning badges on one-another as they feed their kids to the cannibals.

    Total cowards. And you guys…a bunch of more or less useless anti-semites, but who refuse to go Too Far in incriminating the Jews as the fountainhead of lies about race equality…Franz Boas & Co. etc.

    You are the armchair philosophers , all of the pasty faced critics who do nothing yourselves to stop what is Coming…Disaster to the White Race.

    You are real pure….right. Btw, I know Taylor. He is the best we got and takes no money from the gov’t…you guys are such dicks.

    Joe Webb

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    He's probably working for the FBI.
    , @MBlanc46
    Were you born a PoS or did you have to work at it?
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  31. Eagle Eye says:
    @El'geherg
    Good for Taylor. His calm, rational reasoning is incredibly dangerous to the mainstream narrative. Unlike other white nationalist leaders who seem to be in it for the ego trip or as a hobby for bored rich kids, Taylor is a serious thinker. Twitter can do what they want but when they lie about AmRen and Taylor being linked to violent extremist groups they should be called out for it.

    … Twitter can do what they want …

    Don’t swallow their talking points.

    Do we let the Post Office refuse to carry Jane’s mail because they don’t like her opinions?

    Even 100 years ago, we did not simply let railroads and other monopolies play their games.

    As “common carriers” in a quasi-monopoly position, Google, Facebook, Twitter etc. need to be available to all members of the public on a reasonable basis. Bans and “demonetization” can be tolerated only where the reasons stand up to public scrutiny in an independent court of law.

    At a minimum, we must insist on open access, no demonetization, no shadow-banning, no leaking, no doxing, all guaranteed by public laws that cannot be displaced by “terms and conditions” and unwritten rules.

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    "Do we let the Post Office refuse to carry Jane’s mail because they don’t like her opinions?"

    That has been SOP for a very long time, rescinding postal permits for no valid reason. How do "we let" the USPS do or not do anything?

    "Even 100 years ago, we did not simply let railroads and other monopolies play their games. "

    Again with the "we". Railroads not only played their games for many decades, they did what they found convenient while being funded by the federal government. Maybe you mean that Amtrak is what "we" did to stop the railroads from playing their games. Must "we" insist on even more laws as a patch for the laws that have already been passed?

    By insisting on more laws, "we" are asking government control over more and more of everything. I'd say that there is already too much government control and more is the last thing "we" need.
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  33. fnn says:
    @Thomm

    “there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you’d be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies.” I decided not to take up X’s invitation.
     
    That is a superb explanation of what the White Trashionalists are, and why no one wants anything to do with them (white women, in particular, avoid WNs at all costs).

    Yes, a small number of Jared Taylor-types are intelligent. But they are outnumbered by the revolting WN Wiggers.

    I should have pointed out that I’ve read (no personal knowledge) that the quality and numbers have gone up considerably in the last few years.

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    I should have pointed out that I’ve read (no personal knowledge) that the quality and numbers have gone up considerably in the last few years.
     
    But those are the people who don't have a problem with skilled, legal immigration. That is the difference. Race is not really their primary focus, but rather behavior and economic output (which has some correlation with race, yes, but is not their primary goal).
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  34. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It is the Jew stuff that must be suppressed and not talked about. Once people start talking about Jews, what they are doing to white Christian societies, why they are doing what they are doing, things will turn very bad for the Jews very fast. So Jews have acquired with for thought media properties to prevent an open discussion of their malevolent motivations.

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  35. @Reg Cæsar

    Yes, a small number of Jared Taylor-types are intelligent. But they are outnumbered by the revolting WN Wiggers.

     

    Still, revolting beats treasonous every time.

    Generally, people that spend their time and energy calling other people stupid are of middling intelligence themselves. They are not stupid in the sense of having a double-digit IQ (or Thumb would never have found this site), but deep down they know they’re mostly engaging with people of higher intelligence, and that angers them to a degree.

    I speak from experience – I have a somewhat dim-witted cousin who has spent the past 40 years making “you’re stupid and I’m not” the central thesis of every discussion with someone with whom she disagrees. 20+ years ago I realized her cognitive limitations and gave up asking her to construct an actual argument and not just resort to name-calling.

    The best way to deal with someone like Thumb (or my cousin) is to realize that, due to their cognitive limitations and internalized anger, they’re not capable of adding anything useful to the discussion and so should be disregarded. Just add him to your “Commenters to be ignored” and move on.

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  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Here is the actual filing:

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    good luck. I tried a few years ago to get some help from State of Ca. on getting kicked out of local bookstore for unfree speech. AG Kamilla Harris and her apparatchiks just ran me around.

    A bookstore is not a public place, per the Unruh Act?

    Liberals are commies-lite. Wilmot Robertson...The Dispossessed Majority, about 1972, a WN classic if there ever was one. People like some of the trash-talkers here ...assuming they are not just trolling, might give it a shot. Pimping little sisters of communism...liberals, who like their real commie idols, are intent on getting rich.
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  37. @Eagle Eye

    ... Twitter can do what they want ...
     
    Don't swallow their talking points.

    Do we let the Post Office refuse to carry Jane's mail because they don't like her opinions?

    Even 100 years ago, we did not simply let railroads and other monopolies play their games.

    As "common carriers" in a quasi-monopoly position, Google, Facebook, Twitter etc. need to be available to all members of the public on a reasonable basis. Bans and "demonetization" can be tolerated only where the reasons stand up to public scrutiny in an independent court of law.

    At a minimum, we must insist on open access, no demonetization, no shadow-banning, no leaking, no doxing, all guaranteed by public laws that cannot be displaced by "terms and conditions" and unwritten rules.

    “Do we let the Post Office refuse to carry Jane’s mail because they don’t like her opinions?”

    That has been SOP for a very long time, rescinding postal permits for no valid reason. How do “we let” the USPS do or not do anything?

    “Even 100 years ago, we did not simply let railroads and other monopolies play their games. ”

    Again with the “we”. Railroads not only played their games for many decades, they did what they found convenient while being funded by the federal government. Maybe you mean that Amtrak is what “we” did to stop the railroads from playing their games. Must “we” insist on even more laws as a patch for the laws that have already been passed?

    By insisting on more laws, “we” are asking government control over more and more of everything. I’d say that there is already too much government control and more is the last thing “we” need.

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  38. snag says:

    It’s about time somebody challenge those hypocrites ,…

    Good luck

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    … but porn is O’K ;)

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  40. joe webb says:
    @Anonymous
    Here is the actual filing:
    https://www.scribd.com/document/371973582/Complaint-FINAL

    good luck. I tried a few years ago to get some help from State of Ca. on getting kicked out of local bookstore for unfree speech. AG Kamilla Harris and her apparatchiks just ran me around.

    A bookstore is not a public place, per the Unruh Act?

    Liberals are commies-lite. Wilmot Robertson…The Dispossessed Majority, about 1972, a WN classic if there ever was one. People like some of the trash-talkers here …assuming they are not just trolling, might give it a shot. Pimping little sisters of communism…liberals, who like their real commie idols, are intent on getting rich.

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  41. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Thomm

    “there are a dozen or so people like X, thoughtful and well-informed — people you’d be happy to hang out with. And around them buzzes this big cloud of latrine flies.” I decided not to take up X’s invitation.
     
    That is a superb explanation of what the White Trashionalists are, and why no one wants anything to do with them (white women, in particular, avoid WNs at all costs).

    Yes, a small number of Jared Taylor-types are intelligent. But they are outnumbered by the revolting WN Wiggers.

    Stuff a sock in it you sheenie. You’d look good as a lampshade. Or as a bar of soap.

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  42. Thomm says:
    @fnn
    I should have pointed out that I've read (no personal knowledge) that the quality and numbers have gone up considerably in the last few years.

    I should have pointed out that I’ve read (no personal knowledge) that the quality and numbers have gone up considerably in the last few years.

    But those are the people who don’t have a problem with skilled, legal immigration. That is the difference. Race is not really their primary focus, but rather behavior and economic output (which has some correlation with race, yes, but is not their primary goal).

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  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @joe webb
    lots of trash talk here.

    White Nationalists are often a bit goofy but they are not stupid. And the daffy 70 that gets posted here, being the average for Black Africa, reveals nothing but hatred and, truly, ignorance.


    Why don't you folks who are so concerned about IQ ask yourselves why the higher IQ types as in the White
    upper-middle-class, whose IQs are around 120, are cowards and running dogs for the capitalists, never met an immigrant they did not want supported by other white people's money, vote themselves sanctuary cities, refuse Darwinian science with regard to racial intelligence differences, as well as temperament differences...like East Asians who are a tad smarter than Whites but who love totalitarian systems...in short, Oriental Despotism, and have never demanded free speech in their entire racial history, etc, etc. ...White liberals are selfish to the point of national suicide..

    How come you got nothing to say about this? What kind of a program do you have, if not separation and segregation of the races? Let's hear it. No more same old. You got your Nietzsche or your Buckley, or , or, or...
    "I'm a conservative! I know better". No...you don't. fascism of some type is coming...look at Europe. You want to keep your hands O so clean...No to nazis...then where is the Yes...to what?

    Are you left-wing Trumpers or what, or even Dems with angst? Trump is apparently eating jewish shit by the boatload, and promoting more war for the jews. Amazing. Hand wringers who cannot think your way out of a Jew York Times article? Or what.? In short, What Are You For?

    National Suicide.....more

    That suicide is accomplished by the upper middle class abandoning their working class brothers and sisters, as well as their own children, to the Dark future of very stupid and savage third worlders ...destroying their country but not until they , the upper middle types , have made their money, retired to god knows where to sip Pina coladas, fuck, and watch television and then die. Apres moi, le deluge.

    White Nationalists with all their warts, especially a definite strain of HItlerism, are worth more than all the upper-middle white cowards and grifters, grubbing for money and prestige in the System of whatever this mess is....and pinning badges on one-another as they feed their kids to the cannibals.

    Total cowards. And you guys...a bunch of more or less useless anti-semites, but who refuse to go Too Far in incriminating the Jews as the fountainhead of lies about race equality...Franz Boas & Co. etc.

    You are the armchair philosophers , all of the pasty faced critics who do nothing yourselves to stop what is Coming...Disaster to the White Race.

    You are real pure....right. Btw, I know Taylor. He is the best we got and takes no money from the gov't...you guys are such dicks.

    Joe Webb

    He’s probably working for the FBI.

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    what exactly are your bone fides? Everybody by now who notices me, knows who and what I am.

    What are you? You could make something up of a parallel nature to your real self, for security.

    Go ahead and do that. Try to account for your dumb or troll like stuff.

    Taylor goes back and long ways, since '90 he has been building Am Ren. He was in banking as I understand it, and left a good and secure income, with the attendant attractions of social success. He grew up in part in Japan, the son of missionaries, and speaks fluent Japanese. As far as I know, missionaries are not wealthy.

    Taylor looks like an aristocrat should look, and his heritage is probably from Virginia cavalier stock.
    FBI sounds pretty low rent for Virginia cavaliers.

    He was a liberal in his youth, just more Whiteness/Altruism that he grew out of, like myself, although I was an anti-communist generic white leftie.... We both learned to harness white altruism to our people First. I learned from him, as well as others. but the first thing I was exposed to was his print medium, and particularly his Color of Crime.

    The first indicator of a troll, or spy, or weasel, is to accuse without evidence. There is no evidence of Taylor being other than what he appears, including his position on Jews, that they are whites, and will return to their senses.

    You are a punk, and if within
    reach, I would provide a sound thrashing.
    Joe Webb

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    Going by the Noam Chomsky standard of freedom of speech (‘Those that don’t support the freedom of speech of those whose views are repugnant to us don’t support freedom of speech at all!’) these enterprises of digital dialog are violated this central pillar of any democracy. And hopefully they will be sued. The sheer idiocy of equating ‘hateful imagery’ with graphic sex or violence betrays the perversion of rational thought (via politically correct brainwashing in the media, academia, etc) that plagues our culture thanks to the cultural Marxists.

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  45. joe webb says:
    @Anonymous
    He's probably working for the FBI.

    what exactly are your bone fides? Everybody by now who notices me, knows who and what I am.

    What are you? You could make something up of a parallel nature to your real self, for security.

    Go ahead and do that. Try to account for your dumb or troll like stuff.

    Taylor goes back and long ways, since ’90 he has been building Am Ren. He was in banking as I understand it, and left a good and secure income, with the attendant attractions of social success. He grew up in part in Japan, the son of missionaries, and speaks fluent Japanese. As far as I know, missionaries are not wealthy.

    Taylor looks like an aristocrat should look, and his heritage is probably from Virginia cavalier stock.
    FBI sounds pretty low rent for Virginia cavaliers.

    He was a liberal in his youth, just more Whiteness/Altruism that he grew out of, like myself, although I was an anti-communist generic white leftie…. We both learned to harness white altruism to our people First. I learned from him, as well as others. but the first thing I was exposed to was his print medium, and particularly his Color of Crime.

    The first indicator of a troll, or spy, or weasel, is to accuse without evidence. There is no evidence of Taylor being other than what he appears, including his position on Jews, that they are whites, and will return to their senses.

    You are a punk, and if within
    reach, I would provide a sound thrashing.
    Joe Webb

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    Controlled opposition. Just another fake for the audience to bicker over. Divert and misdirect and the King hides his tyranny from the squabbling serfs while crushing dissent.

    You sound like an angry racist. Angry little people, many of them racists, serve important roles in criminal justice. The smarter actors in the play can write books, present themselves in public and get listed by the SPLC. They achieve fame and have enough help and handling that they can set up a trip to the Supreme Court. Angry racist slaves probably can't see how things work.
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  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @joe webb
    what exactly are your bone fides? Everybody by now who notices me, knows who and what I am.

    What are you? You could make something up of a parallel nature to your real self, for security.

    Go ahead and do that. Try to account for your dumb or troll like stuff.

    Taylor goes back and long ways, since '90 he has been building Am Ren. He was in banking as I understand it, and left a good and secure income, with the attendant attractions of social success. He grew up in part in Japan, the son of missionaries, and speaks fluent Japanese. As far as I know, missionaries are not wealthy.

    Taylor looks like an aristocrat should look, and his heritage is probably from Virginia cavalier stock.
    FBI sounds pretty low rent for Virginia cavaliers.

    He was a liberal in his youth, just more Whiteness/Altruism that he grew out of, like myself, although I was an anti-communist generic white leftie.... We both learned to harness white altruism to our people First. I learned from him, as well as others. but the first thing I was exposed to was his print medium, and particularly his Color of Crime.

    The first indicator of a troll, or spy, or weasel, is to accuse without evidence. There is no evidence of Taylor being other than what he appears, including his position on Jews, that they are whites, and will return to their senses.

    You are a punk, and if within
    reach, I would provide a sound thrashing.
    Joe Webb

    Controlled opposition. Just another fake for the audience to bicker over. Divert and misdirect and the King hides his tyranny from the squabbling serfs while crushing dissent.

    You sound like an angry racist. Angry little people, many of them racists, serve important roles in criminal justice. The smarter actors in the play can write books, present themselves in public and get listed by the SPLC. They achieve fame and have enough help and handling that they can set up a trip to the Supreme Court. Angry racist slaves probably can’t see how things work.

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    I am an angry racist. You are a liberal fool. Your kids will hate you , assuming you have any, which I doubt, as they awaken and ask you what you did daddy in the race war.

    A piece in the Am Ren new section a few days ago feature a report on US White kids waking up to the threat of immigration of darkies....half of them reporting such.
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  47. @Thomm

    Except that is not the typical euro white IQ. Far from it.
     
    You didn't understand the comment.

    WNs are a defective subrace of whites. They are very different from normal whites.

    Normal whites have an average IQ of about 104, while WNs (and fat feminists as the female counterpart) are around 70.

    I’m all but certain I am a white nationalist by your lights, as is Mr. Taylor. I expect our intelligence quotients do not comportas with your assertion.

    What do you reckon Sam Francis’ IQ was? Enoch Powell’s?

    I suspect you’ve created a straw-man, whereby white nationalists are equated to the sort of cartoonish caricature one seldom finds outside of The Jerry Springer Show and reruns of Cops, conveniently ignoring the overwhelming revealed preferences of even those not so forthright or articulate as others among us. What’s more, the deafening silence by anyone to seriously engage with the droning drumbeat of “white trashionalist” (you come up with that yourself?) suggests it is less effective than “rich, Corinthian leather” at peddling your brand….

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    Well, you may be a rare exception, but this fits Derbyshire's description. He says that a few (like Taylor) are articulate and intelligent, but the overwhelming majority are 'latrine flies'. This is obviously accurate.

    For example, here is an up and coming White Trashionalist in Northern California. He has a pure Anglo-Saxon name : Kevin Crawford Kraft.

    http://mugshotssantacruz.com/search/?last_name=KRAFT&first_name=KEVIN&#prof

    He can barely go a month without getting arrested. Six arrests in six months in 2015. The gap between the 2015 and 2017 arrests is because he was in a different town in between. The nature of his crimes are very negro-like, such as 'sex in public' and 'assault with a deadly weapon'.

    Yet, he is a leader among his local WNs. This is proof of the overall low quality of individuals in the WN gaggle. The female equivalent of WNs are the fat bluehaired feminists.
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  48. joe webb says:
    @Anonymous
    Controlled opposition. Just another fake for the audience to bicker over. Divert and misdirect and the King hides his tyranny from the squabbling serfs while crushing dissent.

    You sound like an angry racist. Angry little people, many of them racists, serve important roles in criminal justice. The smarter actors in the play can write books, present themselves in public and get listed by the SPLC. They achieve fame and have enough help and handling that they can set up a trip to the Supreme Court. Angry racist slaves probably can't see how things work.

    I am an angry racist. You are a liberal fool. Your kids will hate you , assuming you have any, which I doubt, as they awaken and ask you what you did daddy in the race war.

    A piece in the Am Ren new section a few days ago feature a report on US White kids waking up to the threat of immigration of darkies….half of them reporting such.

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  49. Thomm says:
    @Autochthon
    I'm all but certain I am a white nationalist by your lights, as is Mr. Taylor. I expect our intelligence quotients do not comportas with your assertion.

    What do you reckon Sam Francis' IQ was? Enoch Powell's?

    I suspect you've created a straw-man, whereby white nationalists are equated to the sort of cartoonish caricature one seldom finds outside of The Jerry Springer Show and reruns of Cops, conveniently ignoring the overwhelming revealed preferences of even those not so forthright or articulate as others among us. What's more, the deafening silence by anyone to seriously engage with the droning drumbeat of "white trashionalist" (you come up with that yourself?) suggests it is less effective than "rich, Corinthian leather" at peddling your brand....

    Well, you may be a rare exception, but this fits Derbyshire’s description. He says that a few (like Taylor) are articulate and intelligent, but the overwhelming majority are ‘latrine flies’. This is obviously accurate.

    For example, here is an up and coming White Trashionalist in Northern California. He has a pure Anglo-Saxon name : Kevin Crawford Kraft.

    http://mugshotssantacruz.com/search/?last_name=KRAFT&first_name=KEVIN&#prof

    He can barely go a month without getting arrested. Six arrests in six months in 2015. The gap between the 2015 and 2017 arrests is because he was in a different town in between. The nature of his crimes are very negro-like, such as ‘sex in public’ and ‘assault with a deadly weapon’.

    Yet, he is a leader among his local WNs. This is proof of the overall low quality of individuals in the WN gaggle. The female equivalent of WNs are the fat bluehaired feminists.

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    n = 1

    I can't argue with that.
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  50. @Thomm
    Well, you may be a rare exception, but this fits Derbyshire's description. He says that a few (like Taylor) are articulate and intelligent, but the overwhelming majority are 'latrine flies'. This is obviously accurate.

    For example, here is an up and coming White Trashionalist in Northern California. He has a pure Anglo-Saxon name : Kevin Crawford Kraft.

    http://mugshotssantacruz.com/search/?last_name=KRAFT&first_name=KEVIN&#prof

    He can barely go a month without getting arrested. Six arrests in six months in 2015. The gap between the 2015 and 2017 arrests is because he was in a different town in between. The nature of his crimes are very negro-like, such as 'sex in public' and 'assault with a deadly weapon'.

    Yet, he is a leader among his local WNs. This is proof of the overall low quality of individuals in the WN gaggle. The female equivalent of WNs are the fat bluehaired feminists.

    n = 1

    I can’t argue with that.

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    He is very typical and there are thousands like him. You obviously have never been to a WN gathering.

    By contrast, you are the one who used two examples beyond Jared Taylor to refute the fact that WNs are usually very low intelligence. That is no different than using the brilliant Thomas Sowell to say that all blacks are smart.

    Only two groups use apex-anecdote as their sole method of debate : Blacks and bottom-20% whites.

    Only two groups slip so easily into projection : Blacks and bottom-20% whites.

    You of course steered a mile clear of the fact that Derbyshire is saying the same thing as me.
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  51. Thomm says:
    @Autochthon
    n = 1

    I can't argue with that.

    He is very typical and there are thousands like him. You obviously have never been to a WN gathering.

    By contrast, you are the one who used two examples beyond Jared Taylor to refute the fact that WNs are usually very low intelligence. That is no different than using the brilliant Thomas Sowell to say that all blacks are smart.

    Only two groups use apex-anecdote as their sole method of debate : Blacks and bottom-20% whites.

    Only two groups slip so easily into projection : Blacks and bottom-20% whites.

    You of course steered a mile clear of the fact that Derbyshire is saying the same thing as me.

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    You fundamentally misunderstand (or intentionally obfuscate) the nature of our disagreement. You continually contend representative white nationalists are by and large troglodytic, jabbering fools, whereas I contend they, like most large categories of person, include a broad spectrum of personalities, intelligence, conscientiousness, and so on. Thus, I cited intelligent, refined persons to refute your argument; I don't argue there aren't jackasses who count themselves white nationalists such as the person you cite.

    Furthermore, I argue John Derbyshire's opinion of white nationalists doesn't much interest me (it's a fallacious appeal to authority to cite it as you do, in any event). What's more, you seem to be (correct me if ai am wrong!) equating white nationalism.by definition with those who attend rallies, those who carry out violent shenanigans, or both). I don't care to argue about semantics because all language is arbitrary. Thus, if that be the definition, I suppose I may agree with your aspersions. I, however, content the vast majority of persons supporting Europeans' dignity and right to racial solidarity, preservation, and maintenance of homelands are people like me, going about our business day-to-day with little time or interest for violence or even rallies. This is so with most causes: only the most vociferous, maladjusted, or enabled by happenstance (e.g., unemployed or independently wealthy) have time or resource for extended and intense involvement. I am a lifetime member of the NRA, and I donated some money to Donald Trump's campaign for the presidency. I don't have time to give the NRA big checks every month, and I don't write or call legislators every time I am.exhiteed to do so by them, not did I canvas's door-to-door for Mr. Trump. I certainly don't have resources or inclination to march in the streets of Charlottesville (or even attend rallies in Sacramento, albeit that city is much closer to my dwelling). I submit this kind of limited but sincere commitment is representative, as we all have other obligations (earning money, caring for our families, etc.).

    What's more, most people who support and prefer life among whites and separate from other races lie about it, both to the world at large and even to themselves. Hence my allusion to revealed preferences. Are the folks in Malibu and Portland white nationalists? Well, not if you asked them (they'd feign, and many would even believe, the very idea is abhorrent), but they sure as Hell are fiercely dedicated to living as whites, among whites, away from people who aren't whites....
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  52. @Thomm
    He is very typical and there are thousands like him. You obviously have never been to a WN gathering.

    By contrast, you are the one who used two examples beyond Jared Taylor to refute the fact that WNs are usually very low intelligence. That is no different than using the brilliant Thomas Sowell to say that all blacks are smart.

    Only two groups use apex-anecdote as their sole method of debate : Blacks and bottom-20% whites.

    Only two groups slip so easily into projection : Blacks and bottom-20% whites.

    You of course steered a mile clear of the fact that Derbyshire is saying the same thing as me.

    You fundamentally misunderstand (or intentionally obfuscate) the nature of our disagreement. You continually contend representative white nationalists are by and large troglodytic, jabbering fools, whereas I contend they, like most large categories of person, include a broad spectrum of personalities, intelligence, conscientiousness, and so on. Thus, I cited intelligent, refined persons to refute your argument; I don’t argue there aren’t jackasses who count themselves white nationalists such as the person you cite.

    Furthermore, I argue John Derbyshire’s opinion of white nationalists doesn’t much interest me (it’s a fallacious appeal to authority to cite it as you do, in any event). What’s more, you seem to be (correct me if ai am wrong!) equating white nationalism.by definition with those who attend rallies, those who carry out violent shenanigans, or both). I don’t care to argue about semantics because all language is arbitrary. Thus, if that be the definition, I suppose I may agree with your aspersions. I, however, content the vast majority of persons supporting Europeans’ dignity and right to racial solidarity, preservation, and maintenance of homelands are people like me, going about our business day-to-day with little time or interest for violence or even rallies. This is so with most causes: only the most vociferous, maladjusted, or enabled by happenstance (e.g., unemployed or independently wealthy) have time or resource for extended and intense involvement. I am a lifetime member of the NRA, and I donated some money to Donald Trump’s campaign for the presidency. I don’t have time to give the NRA big checks every month, and I don’t write or call legislators every time I am.exhiteed to do so by them, not did I canvas’s door-to-door for Mr. Trump. I certainly don’t have resources or inclination to march in the streets of Charlottesville (or even attend rallies in Sacramento, albeit that city is much closer to my dwelling). I submit this kind of limited but sincere commitment is representative, as we all have other obligations (earning money, caring for our families, etc.).

    What’s more, most people who support and prefer life among whites and separate from other races lie about it, both to the world at large and even to themselves. Hence my allusion to revealed preferences. Are the folks in Malibu and Portland white nationalists? Well, not if you asked them (they’d feign, and many would even believe, the very idea is abhorrent), but they sure as Hell are fiercely dedicated to living as whites, among whites, away from people who aren’t whites….

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  53. MBlanc46 says:
    @joe webb
    lots of trash talk here.

    White Nationalists are often a bit goofy but they are not stupid. And the daffy 70 that gets posted here, being the average for Black Africa, reveals nothing but hatred and, truly, ignorance.


    Why don't you folks who are so concerned about IQ ask yourselves why the higher IQ types as in the White
    upper-middle-class, whose IQs are around 120, are cowards and running dogs for the capitalists, never met an immigrant they did not want supported by other white people's money, vote themselves sanctuary cities, refuse Darwinian science with regard to racial intelligence differences, as well as temperament differences...like East Asians who are a tad smarter than Whites but who love totalitarian systems...in short, Oriental Despotism, and have never demanded free speech in their entire racial history, etc, etc. ...White liberals are selfish to the point of national suicide..

    How come you got nothing to say about this? What kind of a program do you have, if not separation and segregation of the races? Let's hear it. No more same old. You got your Nietzsche or your Buckley, or , or, or...
    "I'm a conservative! I know better". No...you don't. fascism of some type is coming...look at Europe. You want to keep your hands O so clean...No to nazis...then where is the Yes...to what?

    Are you left-wing Trumpers or what, or even Dems with angst? Trump is apparently eating jewish shit by the boatload, and promoting more war for the jews. Amazing. Hand wringers who cannot think your way out of a Jew York Times article? Or what.? In short, What Are You For?

    National Suicide.....more

    That suicide is accomplished by the upper middle class abandoning their working class brothers and sisters, as well as their own children, to the Dark future of very stupid and savage third worlders ...destroying their country but not until they , the upper middle types , have made their money, retired to god knows where to sip Pina coladas, fuck, and watch television and then die. Apres moi, le deluge.

    White Nationalists with all their warts, especially a definite strain of HItlerism, are worth more than all the upper-middle white cowards and grifters, grubbing for money and prestige in the System of whatever this mess is....and pinning badges on one-another as they feed their kids to the cannibals.

    Total cowards. And you guys...a bunch of more or less useless anti-semites, but who refuse to go Too Far in incriminating the Jews as the fountainhead of lies about race equality...Franz Boas & Co. etc.

    You are the armchair philosophers , all of the pasty faced critics who do nothing yourselves to stop what is Coming...Disaster to the White Race.

    You are real pure....right. Btw, I know Taylor. He is the best we got and takes no money from the gov't...you guys are such dicks.

    Joe Webb

    Were you born a PoS or did you have to work at it?

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  54. @Beliavsky
    "Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do."

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.

    On the contrary, it could be achieved through peaceful, democratic means, and that is precisely how Dr. Tayor advocates it be done. One might as well suggest anyone who doesn’t favor wholesale dismantling of the Department of Defense is an “advocate of violence“, using the rather silly rhetorical standard you seem to be favoring.

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  55. @Sane Left Libertarian
    There is the rub. Since I don't social media, I haven't a clue about twitter or facebook or what have you, but this has nothing to do with the first amendment. If I tell one of the nuns who run my school to fu(k off, the 1A protects me from being prosecuted. But I will be out of a job as soon as security can be dispatched to my office. The owners of youtube have no obligation to allow porn, gory crime scene videos, or anything else. Jared Taylor can set up his own video-sharing or twitter-esque apparatus and post whatever he wants.

    Same thing goes for that snowflake who's on his 16th minute of fame for suing google over making him uncomfortable by being too inclusive. Hey, betaman - get a job somewhere else. there are 1200 right wing radio stations, hundreds of "think tanks", magazines, newspapers, legislative offices, and so on where liberals are strictly verboten. Better yet, start your own google competition and keep the liberals out. You'll be a hero to your tribe.

    OTOH, living to see Jared Taylor become a sjw is an accomplishment of which I am proud.

    The owners of youtube have no obligation to allow porn, gory crime scene videos, or anything else. Jared Taylor can set up his own video-sharing or twitter-esque apparatus and post whatever he wants.

    The owners of Edison Electric have no obligation* to permit the use of their current in homes where people peruse porn, gory crime scene videos, or anything else. Jared Taylor can set up his own electrical-generation plant, or nuclear reactor apparatus and post whatever he wants.

    *Actually, they do have such an obligation. Because they are monopolies. And so, effectively, are Twitter and YouTube.

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  56. If Twitter deletes your account, as part of their ongoing war on “Russian bots”, does that mean you can sue them for defamation? Provided you aren’t actually an agent of the Russian Federation, that is?

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  57. joe webb says:

    I do not know what PoS is, but I was semi-born a leftie, having communist parents and then entering adulthood with Vietnam and Civil Rights of the 60s ..Got an MA in political Science from Berkeley in 1965. Went to jail over Vietnam War, civil disobedience, and led draft resistance at UCSB in 1967.

    Not ashamed of this. After job and marriage, with two boys, and retired relatively early, I began to question my politics. That takes balls, as you may have noticed.

    Started reading from the Other Shore. Race Differences, IQ, etc. the seminal works of Richard Lynn (see his updated new book on same, 2015), and Rushton, Race, Evolution and Behavior, 2000, and then the Jewish Question,… answer in books like Kevin MacDonald’s and so on, including the young man, Andrew Joyce, now getting onto Unz..

    The rest is history, personal and political. I had Marched with MLK in 1963, with wife. That meant driving from California, etc. You might imagine the intellectual and emotional distance that I had to travel to get to what is called a WN position. I don’t use that term anymore for myself, inasmuch as there is too much Hitler Hangover, shall we call it, in WN, like Richard Spencer’s “It’s 1933!” and lets party, or some such. (I understand that Spencer’s rep amongst many in the WN community has hit bottom after that and other idiocies and ego display).

    So I hope that answers your question…motivated certainly by resentment/envy as opposed to Reason.

    But Reason is not your strong suit. In fact, you trolls operate on Feeling, not Thinking.
    But that is the human condition…emotion being in general a better guide to life, than thinking. That was before the Intellectuals/Sophists got into it. We Are All Equal. Now there is an example of Thinking for you. (great confusion over what is Love, as opposed to Justice, or Social Justice. There is no justice, except in law codes that remain reasonable, facts based, and so on.

    Social Life cannot be regulated by law, etc. except for the fundamental. which is Theft. Murder is theft, disrupting family and neighborhood and private associations is theft. etc

    Only Thinking, per God, gets us into trouble. Original Sin, and all of that, like the arrogance of Apple’s logo, taking a bite out of the apple. Man Thinks, God Laughs.

    Of course, it is all not that simple.

    Joe Webb

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  58. joe webb says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/24/opinion/sunday/steven-pinker-reason.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2FRoss%20Douthat&action=click&contentCollection=Opinion&module=Collection&region=Marginalia&src=me&version=column&pgtype=article

    Ross Douthat of the NYT on Reason. First, one can wonder out -loud about anybody who Believes in God if they are good at Reason. A reasonable position on Godism is agnosticism, nothing else..

    Douthat is a Catholic and a very smart guy and claims to be a conservative. He is about as conservative as it gets at NYT.

    This article brings up Steve Pinker, who claims to be an evolutionary psychologist…I think.

    I read his big book, putatively on evolutionary psychology, and could only conclude that it is a kind of dip-ones’-toes into the waters of evolutionary psychology, for the liberal ladies and their liberal-lady-men.

    Getting used to that water takes a while, and Pinker needs to continue to be a big shot, and does not want trouble. Which is why at local bookstore, a few years ago, he refused to let me speak, and the crowd of witch-burning liberals backed him up with shouts of light the fire.

    What is the point? If you go to this article, you can the links to other Douthat articles, one of which remarks the recent event wherein Pinker allowed a few remarks apparently supporting a WN position, or at least, has been interpreted as so doing.

    That was classic Pinker. He says something, and then equivocates. Pinker, Jewish, gets to claim that he is an evolutionary psychologist. He is not. He is a propagandist. His background is Probably more Sociology, a jewish scientism, than Psychology, post Freudian voo-doo.

    The Rational , when it comes to socio-biology, evolutionary psychology, racial differences, Darwinism, and what have you….is almost all genetics. Identical Twin studies , in a way, allow one to skip the hundreds of pages of Pinker & Co, and dozens of others. Which gets me to feelings/emotion.

    Evolution and tens of thousands of years has built a brain that operates mostly on feelings, and pattern recognition (connect the dots ). Strangers are dangerous, big animals are dangerous, stick with the family and tribe. That is our brain.

    Then along comes the late neolithic and we Start to Think. Big problems.

    Then we realize that our warlike brain, is a problem…like Ancient Greece. Hence after the Pelopponesian Wars destroyed Greece, the Big Thinking about Others starts with Stoicism.
    Love Everybody and World Citizen is the Swerve to the reverse. And here we are.

    Except that especially today , Whites have gone nuts with this, while all other races don’t have it in them, except for little sects here and there, like zen, and so on . I was one of them….white pathological Altruism , a White disease, and the farther North in Europe one’s genes come from…the worse the disease.

    Thinking All Men are Equal, Self-Evidently so….insane. When you look at say, the average Negro, or Mexican, especially very Indian, your senses tell you something your liberal brain refuses…denial of course floods in with its tide of Do-Gooding excuses and make-believes.

    Also, physical beauty is very interesting. Why should we have genes for appreciation of beauty?
    It must be, since all other warm blooded critters, seem to take it very seriously too. Watch birds look one-another over. No freaks please. Not good for the tribe.

    But, Life is Precious. No, it is not. No freaks need apply, not good for the race. Liberals, like a recent news article on medical costs for an illegal Mexican kid with some strange disease…have spent 18 million dollars on him…so far. here in California.

    That is why we are doomed, in one or two words, unless we demand a White America and a White Europe.

    Get out your senses. Kinda Zen, and curb your fantasies.

    Joe Webb

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  59. Amasius says:

    ‘“Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do.”
    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.’

    Typical leftist projection.

    Yep. They claim we might/will do what they’re doing to us right now. Gang violence, the rape jihad, terrorism, intimidation, ethnic cleansing, dispossession and genocide a la South Africa. Talk about giving the game away.

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  60. @Beliavsky
    "Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do."

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.

    “Taylor denies that he and his organization advocate violence or associate with groups that do.”

    Taylor is being disingenuous. He advocates a white homeland in the U.S. from which non-whites will be excluded, and that cannot be achieved without violence.

    Separation can be voluntary. But he is not associated with any violent GROUP, so Twitter is lying about the reason for his banning.

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  61. @Kevin O'Keeffe
    If Twitter deletes your account, as part of their ongoing war on "Russian bots", does that mean you can sue them for defamation? Provided you aren't actually an agent of the Russian Federation, that is?

    You can if they publish their reason.

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  62. @Twodees Partain
    As you can see in your own quoting of the 1st Amendment, that line is a restriction on CONGRESS. Congress shall make no law abridging the Freedom of Speech. Twitter is not Congress, so Twitter's management can do as they like regarding allowing access to their system.

    Starting with a misconception means your conclusion will be wrong.

    Users of Twitter don't have a natural right to access Twitter. Why not let Twitter show their platform to be a propaganda site for one side of political debate to the exclusion of others? They will show themselves to be what they are. Alternatives will arise and people who don't like Twitter policies can switch to an alternative site.

    Your screed is hard to read, since there are no breaks, even where you seemed to intend a paragraph break. You might also want to drop all the euphemisms and simply state what you want to say in plain English. "Pharaohs" are ancient Egyptian kings. If you mean Congress, you should say so.

    I dunno … now that the Federal and local governments use Twitter as an emergency communications channel, and it is a ubiquitous means of communication throughout our society, there is ample precedent for Twitter to be deemed a Common Carrier under Title 2 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and mandated to carry all traffic.

    Of course, Twitter will no doubt want to charge people for the burden of carrying them, and this might actually lead to the diminution, if not outright demise of Twitter, but would that be such a bad thing condidering how weaponized it has become against a rather large swath of society?

    I feel no qualms about advocating regulation of a private business that is dishonest about how toxic it is for the society at large.

    Put it this way: Twitter can be implicated in the deaths of more children by bullying-induced suicide or stupid death by “Look at me” pranks than all the school shooters in this century.

    If not for Jared, then do it for the children.

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    Isn't a common carrier in the business of providing a service to those willing to pay for that service? If Twitter, or youtube are providing service for pay, the ones paying are the advertisers, not the voluntary providers of content at no charge.

    If my reasoning is correct, the the advertisers might have standing to sue if they pay for ad space and then have their ads removed. A free rider on such a venue would have no such standing. Is Jared claiming that the terms of service were misrepresented?

    Not knowing any more than I do about his suit, my reasoning could be at fault. The lawsuit seems to fail to show standing to me, since I can't see the injury. Of course, I thought Twitter was a waste of time and energy and I deleted my account a few weeks after I signed up, I think it was in 2009, so I'm probably the wrong person to ask about the idea that someone could sue a free service for kicking people out for cause or for no cause.

    I guess that's because I would fail to give a shit if Twitter kicked me out.

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  63. @The Alarmist
    I dunno ... now that the Federal and local governments use Twitter as an emergency communications channel, and it is a ubiquitous means of communication throughout our society, there is ample precedent for Twitter to be deemed a Common Carrier under Title 2 of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and mandated to carry all traffic.

    Of course, Twitter will no doubt want to charge people for the burden of carrying them, and this might actually lead to the diminution, if not outright demise of Twitter, but would that be such a bad thing condidering how weaponized it has become against a rather large swath of society?

    I feel no qualms about advocating regulation of a private business that is dishonest about how toxic it is for the society at large.

    Put it this way: Twitter can be implicated in the deaths of more children by bullying-induced suicide or stupid death by "Look at me" pranks than all the school shooters in this century.

    If not for Jared, then do it for the children.

    Isn’t a common carrier in the business of providing a service to those willing to pay for that service? If Twitter, or youtube are providing service for pay, the ones paying are the advertisers, not the voluntary providers of content at no charge.

    If my reasoning is correct, the the advertisers might have standing to sue if they pay for ad space and then have their ads removed. A free rider on such a venue would have no such standing. Is Jared claiming that the terms of service were misrepresented?

    Not knowing any more than I do about his suit, my reasoning could be at fault. The lawsuit seems to fail to show standing to me, since I can’t see the injury. Of course, I thought Twitter was a waste of time and energy and I deleted my account a few weeks after I signed up, I think it was in 2009, so I’m probably the wrong person to ask about the idea that someone could sue a free service for kicking people out for cause or for no cause.

    I guess that’s because I would fail to give a shit if Twitter kicked me out.

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    Twitter holds itself out to the public at large, unlike a Contract Carrier which openly restricts its clientele. They are fair game.

    Fun Fact: The California Supreme Court held Disneyland to be a Common Carrier to give litigants for a Roller Coaster ride victim's estate a way to collect without proving negligence.
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  64. @Twodees Partain
    Isn't a common carrier in the business of providing a service to those willing to pay for that service? If Twitter, or youtube are providing service for pay, the ones paying are the advertisers, not the voluntary providers of content at no charge.

    If my reasoning is correct, the the advertisers might have standing to sue if they pay for ad space and then have their ads removed. A free rider on such a venue would have no such standing. Is Jared claiming that the terms of service were misrepresented?

    Not knowing any more than I do about his suit, my reasoning could be at fault. The lawsuit seems to fail to show standing to me, since I can't see the injury. Of course, I thought Twitter was a waste of time and energy and I deleted my account a few weeks after I signed up, I think it was in 2009, so I'm probably the wrong person to ask about the idea that someone could sue a free service for kicking people out for cause or for no cause.

    I guess that's because I would fail to give a shit if Twitter kicked me out.

    Twitter holds itself out to the public at large, unlike a Contract Carrier which openly restricts its clientele. They are fair game.

    Fun Fact: The California Supreme Court held Disneyland to be a Common Carrier to give litigants for a Roller Coaster ride victim’s estate a way to collect without proving negligence.

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    Twitter also has a set of terms of use, which they use in place of a contract and which a user is assumed to have agreed to by using the service. Good luck to the litigant. It isn't up to me whether he can proceed with his suit, which is probably a good thing for him.
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  65. @Thomm

    Unlike other white nationalist leaders who seem to be in it for the ego trip or as a hobby for bored rich kids, Taylor is a serious thinker.
     
    True. But *because* he is intelligent, he has far less of a problem with skilled Asian immigrants than the typical 70-IQ White Trashionalist. He also has not problem with Jews.

    His overlap with White Trashionalists is limited to opposition of lower skilled blacks and Hispanics.

    Because its soo much smarter to be more worried about your dumb competitors than the ones smarter than you?

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  66. @The Alarmist
    Twitter holds itself out to the public at large, unlike a Contract Carrier which openly restricts its clientele. They are fair game.

    Fun Fact: The California Supreme Court held Disneyland to be a Common Carrier to give litigants for a Roller Coaster ride victim's estate a way to collect without proving negligence.

    Twitter also has a set of terms of use, which they use in place of a contract and which a user is assumed to have agreed to by using the service. Good luck to the litigant. It isn’t up to me whether he can proceed with his suit, which is probably a good thing for him.

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  67. ve1 says:

    the entire internet looks like white and jewish nationalist to me. dont know what theyre complaining about

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