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Maybe “some are rapists,” in Donald Trump’s nasty words. But many are geniuses. Just ask the MacArthur Foundation, which responded to our president’s frequent demonization of immigrants, including that infamous phrase, by doing a little math.

Every year since 1981, the foundation has bestowed so-called genius grants on more than 20 of the country’s most accomplished and promising scientists, scholars, artists and writers. These awards are a huge deal, trumpeted in the media and worn with pride forevermore. And the winners, typically in the middle of their careers, get $625,000 each.

Of the 965 geniuses (or, more properly, MacArthur fellows) to date, 209 were born outside the United States, according to Cecilia Conrad, who leads the fellowship program. That’s 21.7 percent. The 2010 census determined that less than 13 percent of the American population is foreign-born.

Conrad wondered whether MacArthur fellows are anomalies. They’re not. She looked back over the past three and a half decades — which is the life span of the fellowships — to see who’d received other top honors given only to United States citizens and residents.

She found that immigrants were overrepresented among the winners of the Pulitzer Prize for music, of the National Humanities Medal and especially of the John Bates Clark Medal, which recognizes brilliant American economists under the age of 40. Thirty-five percent of these economists were foreign-born, including people from India, Turkey and Ukraine.

The far-right paranoiacs and scaremongers who pressured Trump to end DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) hate to acknowledge what we reality-moored types understand: Many of our country’s finest minds and brightest ideas are forged when dreamers from elsewhere encounter an unfamiliar place with unimagined possibilities. There’s a creative spark in that convergence. It has powered American greatness.

That’s the moral of the MacArthur Foundation’s math, which it shared first with The Times. That’s also the moral of the Nobel Prizes. According to an analysis late last year by Adil Najam, a Boston University professor: “Since its inception in 1901, the Nobel Prizes and the Prize in Economic Sciences have been awarded 579 times to 911 people and organizations. The U.S. alone has had more than 350 Nobel winners. More than 100 of these have been immigrants and individuals born outside of the United States.” If immigrants to the United States were considered their own country, Najam wrote, their tally of Nobels would exceed that of every country but the United States.

And Jennifer Hunt, a professor of economics at Rutgers University, has done research showing that among graduates of American colleges, immigrants are twice as likely to receive patents as native-born Americans. Her research further suggests that this doesn’t come at the expense of native-born Americans but in fact stimulates their innovation, too. “You’re bouncing ideas off each other,” Hunt told me.

Her findings speak to the oft-charted success of American immigrants in STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) fields. The MacArthur grants cover the humanities, too; the past decade’s winners include such celebrated writers as Junot Díaz, born in the Dominican Republic; Edwidge Danticat, born in Haiti; and Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, the author of “Americanah,” born in Nigeria.

 
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  1. Cranky says:

    What a buffoon, what if that was simply because of greater reward here for genius types?

    And our bottom barrel immigration sure looks pretty bad from a viewpoint of overall intelligence, but I guess Frank isn’t too concerned as long as they are his short order cook, maid, and dishwasher crew.

    Why don’t American young and undereducated get employment, because the economic bottom rungs are inhabited by tons of recent illegal immigrants.

    I am tired of the obvious not being stated, and our schools are now being overrun by anchor babies and children illegally brought by their parents.

    So Trump promised to fix this, and he sure is failing.

    Our elites are failing the common people of America, and yet they continue to think that unlimited immigration is a good idea.

    So, we import our new underclass, and the old ones can just starve.

    Utter fools.

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    • Replies: @Pat Boyle
    Yes, yes. So what?

    You say that these genius economists were from Ukraine, Turkey, and India - all three are Caucasian nations. I myself have supervised many immigrants from Ukraine, Russia and India (software developers). Sorry I never supervised anyone from Turkey.

    Some of them were absolutely brilliant. This is not news. They were all hand picked for being brilliant. If they were just average it wouldn't have covered the plane fare.

    None of them were from sub Saharan Africa. There are indeed places on Earth where there are young men who are geniuses and have not been recognized by their nation. There are plenty of very smart Chinese but China and America are well aware of the potential of young Chinese men so the genius hunting isn't so profitable there. Ukraine is a good spot.
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  2. Mr. XYZ says:

    Sure, there are many talented immigrants to the U.S.; however, overall, based on Anatoly Karlin’s PISA data, it looks like, on average, immigrants underperform native-born Americans.

    Of course, a lot depends on the quality of the immigrants whom one attracts. Indeed, countries with “cognitively elitist” immigration policies such as Canada and Australia appear to benefit more from immigration than other countries do.

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    • Replies: @Saxon
    Canada is well on its way to being a third world country with <50% white demographic by 2036 (down from 97% in 1971). Most of the people they bring in with chain migration and dishonest temporary work permits never leave. Now you have a third world leeching underclass that has driven the national debt up, as well as scab labor that has driven the average income way down to where no one who isn't a favored class of the government (and thus subsidized by it) can afford the basic markers of adult life i.e. family formation, owning a home etc.
    , @Thomm

    Indeed, countries with “cognitively elitist” immigration policies such as Canada and Australia appear to benefit more from immigration than other countries do.
     
    Yes. It really is that simple.
    , @pyrrhus
    Average IQ of those coming over the Mexican border--85...Not even educable...Let's have a policy where only the equivalent of Werner von Braun is allowed to immigrate, and everyone will be happy....except possibly David Brooks and friends.
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  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Frank Bruni !!!

    This sounds so wonderful. But you know it isn’t, and you know this is yet more NYTimes deception for low information readers. Give it a rest FrankiePops, we’ve had enough of this sort of bullshit.

    Take the 200 ‘geniuses’ (along with the 30-50 million illegals) to Israel.

    ENOUGH.

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  4. Since the West is so rich, it doesn’t need more geniuses. After all, US leads in patents and innovations.

    It is the poor Third World that needs more geniuses. So, how about all the high-IQ libs and progs emigrate to Africa and other Third World nations and do their magic there? Why make the rich West even richer with more geniuses?

    Why not spread the genius around by having geniuses in the West emigrate to Africa and elsewhere?

    If immigration is so good, we need progressive immigration of sending rich smart people of the West to poor nations.

    It’s not good to make rich nations even richer with more geniuses.

    We need to make poor nations richer by sending them more geniuses.

    I suggest Frank Bruni take his genius to Zimbabwe or Congo. Why won’t he? Is he ‘racist’ and prefer to live in a nation founded by ‘racist’ and ‘white supremacist’ Anglos?

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    • Replies: @ANonyMOUS
    genius comment, Priss Factor.
    why didn't I think of that.
    Why didn't Bruni think of that.
    , @Eagle Eye

    Her findings speak to the oft-charted success of American immigrants in STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) fields. The MacArthur grants cover the humanities, too; the past decade’s winners include such celebrated writers as Junot Díaz, born in the Dominican Republic; Edwidge Danticat, born in Haiti; and Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, the author of “Americanah,” born in Nigeria.
     
    TRANSLATION: Frank Bruni couldn't find a single African STEM genius on the MacArthur list, but MacArthur's establishment trustees had taken care to nominate some token African talkers to make up the numbers.
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  5. Let us say Bruni is right. Immigrants are loaded with genius. They are precious human capital since genius isn’t common.

    Then, is it moral for the rich West with tons of geniuses(in Silicon Valley, Ivy League colleges, etc) to grab all those geniuses in the Third World?

    Progressives used to complain that the West plundered the Third World for precious natural resources like gold, diamond, platinum, and etc.

    Now, Progs like Bruni seem to be saying the West should plunder the non-white world for geniuses. So, the West should suck up all the geniuses while the Third World, following brain drain, sink into further abyss.

    Bruni is a cognitive-imperialist.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Progressives used to complain that the West plundered the Third World for precious natural resources like gold, diamond, platinum, and etc.
     
    They used to complain about the "brain drain" as well. To their credit, some still do:

    https://qz.com/599140/how-severe-is-africas-brain-drain/
    , @anonymous

    Progressives used to complain that the West plundered the Third World for precious natural resources like gold, diamond, platinum, and etc.
     
    That statement seems to imply some past behaviour, an idea which is of course a crock of steaming shit.

    The Greedy and Psychopathic albino civilisation will never let it become past behaviour.

    The plundering -take their oil, take their precious metals, take their minerals, take their sellout geniuses- will always be past, present and future behaviour.
    , @Saxon
    He's "right" about it but it's misleading since virtually all of those intelligent immigrants are not mestizos, sub-Saharan Africans, Arabs etc. like he is implying. They are not the global south gibsmedat peasants he's shilling for. They are Europeans. So he's just using statistics to lie and obfuscating what is actually true.
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  6. The far-right paranoiacs and scaremongers who pressured Trump to end DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) hate to acknowledge what we reality-moored types understand

    Do these people never stop and wonder what happens if you keep telling the majority of one’s fellow citizens “I hate you. I far prefer strangers over you. I want strangers to take your place higher up the ladder. I think you’re either evil or mentally ill not to think so too”. I know people like Frank Bruni get a high out of taunting their fellow citizens in this way because for years I’ve seen it every day on Twitter, in opinion pieces and in the comments section of the “respectable” media.

    As a foreigner it’s actually remarkable just how much venom and contempt “liberal” Americans have for their White fellow citizens. It seems to be bottomless and was like that long before Trump took his magic escalator ride. Maybe they lash out so viciously at White people “out there” because they can feel deep down the liberal project is failing on their watch and someone has to take the blame.

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    • Replies: @fish

    The far-right paranoiacs and scaremongers who pressured Trump to end DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) hate to acknowledge what we reality-moored types understand …
     
    ….that there is an insufficient selection of reasonably priced imported Rent Boys from which to choose!

    Genius indeed!
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  7. There’s just nothing immigrants don’t do well, according to people such as Frank Bruni. Work cheap, innovate, create, desirable traits are anywhere but in native-born Americans. The contempt and loathing that the Frank Bruni’s of the world have for native-born Americans is boundless and they’re having more and more difficulty concealing it-in fact, they’re less and less inclined even to try.

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  8. Do we really want the advances of high-IQ immigrants like Stalin, Hitler, and Napoleon?

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    Hitler and Napoleon yes, but not Stalin.
    , @Joe Franklin

    Do we really want the advances of high-IQ immigrants like Stalin, Hitler, and Napoleon?

     

    Yes, the establishment wants them as long as they support Diversity supremacy and Zionism.


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    Jewish are entitled by law because of presumed Gentile oppression
    Queers are entitled by law because of presumed Straight oppression
    Muslims are entitled by law because of presumed Christian oppression
    Disabled are entitled by law because of presumed Healthy oppression
    Afro-blacks are entitled by law because of presumed White oppression
    Latinos are entitled by law because of presumed Gringo oppression
    Hispanics are entitled by law because of presumed Gringo oppression
    Military Veterans are entitled by law because of presumed Militia oppression
    Native Americans are entitled by law because of presumed Paleface oppression
    Asians are entitled by law because of presumed Occidental oppression
    International Socialist are entitled by law because of presumed Local Government oppression
    Crony Capitalist are entitled by law because of presumed Honest Businessmen oppression
    Zionist-Neocons are entitled by law because of presumed Anti-Fascist oppression

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  9. @Priss Factor
    Let us say Bruni is right. Immigrants are loaded with genius. They are precious human capital since genius isn't common.

    Then, is it moral for the rich West with tons of geniuses(in Silicon Valley, Ivy League colleges, etc) to grab all those geniuses in the Third World?

    Progressives used to complain that the West plundered the Third World for precious natural resources like gold, diamond, platinum, and etc.

    Now, Progs like Bruni seem to be saying the West should plunder the non-white world for geniuses. So, the West should suck up all the geniuses while the Third World, following brain drain, sink into further abyss.

    Bruni is a cognitive-imperialist.

    Progressives used to complain that the West plundered the Third World for precious natural resources like gold, diamond, platinum, and etc.

    They used to complain about the “brain drain” as well. To their credit, some still do:

    https://qz.com/599140/how-severe-is-africas-brain-drain/

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  10. Giuseppe says:

    You are quantifying the brain drain.

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  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Nobody with any sense denies that many of the greatest intellects of the past century were immigrants to the US. (I personally think it is a good thing that they came here, although I grant that some intelligent and thoughtful people disagree.) What I fail to grasp is how, from this acknowledged fact, it follows that the US should passively accept the presence of millions of unskilled and undistinguished illegal immigrants.

    Premise: The US rightly accepted Einstein and Godel and von Neumann et al.
    FILL IN THE GAP
    Conclusion: The US should accept anyone who managed to cross the border alive.

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    flawed logic.

    those "greatest intellects" brought with them education from some of the finest universities in Germany, Austria, France. They were what they were because they had feasted on the fruits of hundreds of years of institutional development in Europe.
    Before USA & Brits destroyed it and purloined their best talent.
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  12. JimB says:

    I’m unconvinced. Let geniuses help the countries where they were born. America produces so many of its own geniuses that they can’t all get into Ivy League schools. There is a STEM PhD glut, and 70% end up in a job outside their expertise by 40. Pulitzer prizes for exquisitely bad atonal music? National Humanities Medals for dopey left wing propaganda? Fake Nobel prizes in Blechanomics? No thanks. Main Street now looks like Tijuana because of brain dead mass immigration policies never vetted by voters. We’re in a hole. Let’s stop digging.

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  13. ANonyMOUS • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor
    Since the West is so rich, it doesn't need more geniuses. After all, US leads in patents and innovations.

    It is the poor Third World that needs more geniuses. So, how about all the high-IQ libs and progs emigrate to Africa and other Third World nations and do their magic there? Why make the rich West even richer with more geniuses?

    Why not spread the genius around by having geniuses in the West emigrate to Africa and elsewhere?

    If immigration is so good, we need progressive immigration of sending rich smart people of the West to poor nations.

    It's not good to make rich nations even richer with more geniuses.

    We need to make poor nations richer by sending them more geniuses.

    I suggest Frank Bruni take his genius to Zimbabwe or Congo. Why won't he? Is he 'racist' and prefer to live in a nation founded by 'racist' and 'white supremacist' Anglos?

    genius comment, Priss Factor.
    why didn’t I think of that.
    Why didn’t Bruni think of that.

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  14. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Reg Cæsar
    Do we really want the advances of high-IQ immigrants like Stalin, Hitler, and Napoleon?

    Hitler and Napoleon yes, but not Stalin.

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    • Replies: @Parfois
    "Hitler and Napoleon yes, but not Stalin."

    I beg to differ. Think about what a Stalin could do to straighten up the USA. Starting with the collectivization policies, all drug addicts, social security dependents, prison inmates, social misfits and other dregs of society sent to the kolkhoz to earn their crust and work for the common good. The ones who refused to work would be sent to the work camps in the gulags of Alaska. Then proceed to the Great Purges where all high society scum from Wall Street, globalist barons, politicians and other traitors to the people given the short shrift. Finally, when the house is in order, starting to uproot all the Jews from the position of power and privilege and replace them with true patriots.

    I think you might have liked it!
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  15. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Nobody with any sense denies that many of the greatest intellects of the past century were immigrants to the US. (I personally think it is a good thing that they came here, although I grant that some intelligent and thoughtful people disagree.) What I fail to grasp is how, from this acknowledged fact, it follows that the US should passively accept the presence of millions of unskilled and undistinguished illegal immigrants.

    Premise: The US rightly accepted Einstein and Godel and von Neumann et al.
    FILL IN THE GAP
    Conclusion: The US should accept anyone who managed to cross the border alive.

    flawed logic.

    those “greatest intellects” brought with them education from some of the finest universities in Germany, Austria, France. They were what they were because they had feasted on the fruits of hundreds of years of institutional development in Europe.
    Before USA & Brits destroyed it and purloined their best talent.

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  16. @Reg Cæsar
    Do we really want the advances of high-IQ immigrants like Stalin, Hitler, and Napoleon?

    Do we really want the advances of high-IQ immigrants like Stalin, Hitler, and Napoleon?

    Yes, the establishment wants them as long as they support Diversity supremacy and Zionism.

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    Feminist are entitled by law because of presumed Male oppression
    Jewish are entitled by law because of presumed Gentile oppression
    Queers are entitled by law because of presumed Straight oppression
    Muslims are entitled by law because of presumed Christian oppression
    Disabled are entitled by law because of presumed Healthy oppression
    Afro-blacks are entitled by law because of presumed White oppression
    Latinos are entitled by law because of presumed Gringo oppression
    Hispanics are entitled by law because of presumed Gringo oppression
    Military Veterans are entitled by law because of presumed Militia oppression
    Native Americans are entitled by law because of presumed Paleface oppression
    Asians are entitled by law because of presumed Occidental oppression
    International Socialist are entitled by law because of presumed Local Government oppression
    Crony Capitalist are entitled by law because of presumed Honest Businessmen oppression
    Zionist-Neocons are entitled by law because of presumed Anti-Fascist oppression

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  17. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor
    Let us say Bruni is right. Immigrants are loaded with genius. They are precious human capital since genius isn't common.

    Then, is it moral for the rich West with tons of geniuses(in Silicon Valley, Ivy League colleges, etc) to grab all those geniuses in the Third World?

    Progressives used to complain that the West plundered the Third World for precious natural resources like gold, diamond, platinum, and etc.

    Now, Progs like Bruni seem to be saying the West should plunder the non-white world for geniuses. So, the West should suck up all the geniuses while the Third World, following brain drain, sink into further abyss.

    Bruni is a cognitive-imperialist.

    Progressives used to complain that the West plundered the Third World for precious natural resources like gold, diamond, platinum, and etc.

    That statement seems to imply some past behaviour, an idea which is of course a crock of steaming shit.

    The Greedy and Psychopathic albino civilisation will never let it become past behaviour.

    The plundering -take their oil, take their precious metals, take their minerals, take their sellout geniuses- will always be past, present and future behaviour.

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  18. More Libtard failed logic at work – equating every immigrant as one and the same, the neck tattoo wearing criminal alien illegal immigrant is every bit the equal of Einstein. Where is the statistic on how many DACA applicants are actually recipients of MacArthur Genius awards? I’m guessing a big fat zero or the presstitude would be all over him/her by now.

    “Genius” grants for the Humanities are a joke, they are designed so that people (mostly “under represented minorities” ?) can also be called geniuses for espousing politically correct opinions.

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    • Replies: @415 reasons
    No, no, this seal barks on command every time I put the red rubber ball on his nose. He's a genius I tells ya!
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  19. Saxon says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    Sure, there are many talented immigrants to the U.S.; however, overall, based on Anatoly Karlin's PISA data, it looks like, on average, immigrants underperform native-born Americans.

    Of course, a lot depends on the quality of the immigrants whom one attracts. Indeed, countries with "cognitively elitist" immigration policies such as Canada and Australia appear to benefit more from immigration than other countries do.

    Canada is well on its way to being a third world country with <50% white demographic by 2036 (down from 97% in 1971). Most of the people they bring in with chain migration and dishonest temporary work permits never leave. Now you have a third world leeching underclass that has driven the national debt up, as well as scab labor that has driven the average income way down to where no one who isn't a favored class of the government (and thus subsidized by it) can afford the basic markers of adult life i.e. family formation, owning a home etc.

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  20. Saxon says:
    @Priss Factor
    Let us say Bruni is right. Immigrants are loaded with genius. They are precious human capital since genius isn't common.

    Then, is it moral for the rich West with tons of geniuses(in Silicon Valley, Ivy League colleges, etc) to grab all those geniuses in the Third World?

    Progressives used to complain that the West plundered the Third World for precious natural resources like gold, diamond, platinum, and etc.

    Now, Progs like Bruni seem to be saying the West should plunder the non-white world for geniuses. So, the West should suck up all the geniuses while the Third World, following brain drain, sink into further abyss.

    Bruni is a cognitive-imperialist.

    He’s “right” about it but it’s misleading since virtually all of those intelligent immigrants are not mestizos, sub-Saharan Africans, Arabs etc. like he is implying. They are not the global south gibsmedat peasants he’s shilling for. They are Europeans. So he’s just using statistics to lie and obfuscating what is actually true.

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  21. This article will do well at my local government school.

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  22. I thought the whole idea of immigration was to take in the pitiful wretched refuse.

    Now, Bruni says it’s to take the cream of the crop.

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  23. How many of these immigrant geniuses are in the hard sciences? Exact numbers please. I’m friends with a college art professor and I’m well aware of the MacArthur prizes. “Artists” line up for these extravagant gifts, which are highly politicized and given to people who, a generation ago, would have been laughed at. In any case, students who do well aren’t in the same basket as illegals selling fentanyl. Crucially, they aren’t here illegally if they’re students. Does Bruni even get this? And when did Trump say he was going to kick out foreign students?

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    REAL geniuses are dancing monkeys who produce victim lit for white liberals. So inspirational!
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  24. Jim says:

    A large number of the illegal immigrants coming into the US are from Mexico which has an average IQ of about 90. Very few if any of these illegal immigrants are “geniuses”. The genetic effects on the US population of unrestricted immigration is extremely dysgenic. This immigration will probably reduce the average US IQ about 5 points by the middle of the century. This will roughly decrease the proportion of the US population with IQ’s over 130 by about 50% and roughly double the proportion of the US population with IQ’s below 75 (the hardcore underclass). Northeast Asian countries such as China and Japan already have about a 5 point IQ advantage over the US. This advantage will increase to about 10 points by the middle of the 21st century.

    Our present immigration policy is utterly disastrous.

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  25. Columbiad says:

    All these Nobel winners are from Europe or Asia. The SJW MacArthur grants were included to obfuscate that fact.

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  26. Thomm says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    Sure, there are many talented immigrants to the U.S.; however, overall, based on Anatoly Karlin's PISA data, it looks like, on average, immigrants underperform native-born Americans.

    Of course, a lot depends on the quality of the immigrants whom one attracts. Indeed, countries with "cognitively elitist" immigration policies such as Canada and Australia appear to benefit more from immigration than other countries do.

    Indeed, countries with “cognitively elitist” immigration policies such as Canada and Australia appear to benefit more from immigration than other countries do.

    Yes. It really is that simple.

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  27. Thomm says:

    Here is the performance of immigrant groups in America :

    Interesting. It does not match the prosperity of their home countries.

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    • Replies: @SimpleHandle
    India and Mexico have similar average IQ. But Mexico sends us its peasants (their dentists and auto mechanics stay at home) while India sends us its college graduates. So we get very different outcomes for Mexican and Indian immigrants.
    , @Triumph104
    Thomas Sowell has been saying for decades that immigration has a selective factor - it is the exceptional or unusual person that decides to immigrate, while the average person usually stays in their home country.

    The chart should have shown Jamaica/Caribbean and Nigeria.

    https://youtu.be/IxH1pCZi4jw?t=140
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  28. Parfois says:
    @anonymous
    Hitler and Napoleon yes, but not Stalin.

    “Hitler and Napoleon yes, but not Stalin.”

    I beg to differ. Think about what a Stalin could do to straighten up the USA. Starting with the collectivization policies, all drug addicts, social security dependents, prison inmates, social misfits and other dregs of society sent to the kolkhoz to earn their crust and work for the common good. The ones who refused to work would be sent to the work camps in the gulags of Alaska. Then proceed to the Great Purges where all high society scum from Wall Street, globalist barons, politicians and other traitors to the people given the short shrift. Finally, when the house is in order, starting to uproot all the Jews from the position of power and privilege and replace them with true patriots.

    I think you might have liked it!

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  29. jim jones says:

    Nurses from Philippines going for jobs at UK Hospital fail English test:

    http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/nursing-recruits-fail-english-test-132681/

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    The test is flawed. Educated Filipinos are fluent in English Native born and raised British nurses would have failed the test too if they had been required to take it.
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  30. Jason Liu says:
    @Bragadocious
    How many of these immigrant geniuses are in the hard sciences? Exact numbers please. I'm friends with a college art professor and I'm well aware of the MacArthur prizes. "Artists" line up for these extravagant gifts, which are highly politicized and given to people who, a generation ago, would have been laughed at. In any case, students who do well aren't in the same basket as illegals selling fentanyl. Crucially, they aren't here illegally if they're students. Does Bruni even get this? And when did Trump say he was going to kick out foreign students?

    REAL geniuses are dancing monkeys who produce victim lit for white liberals. So inspirational!

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  31. @Another Realist
    More Libtard failed logic at work - equating every immigrant as one and the same, the neck tattoo wearing criminal alien illegal immigrant is every bit the equal of Einstein. Where is the statistic on how many DACA applicants are actually recipients of MacArthur Genius awards? I'm guessing a big fat zero or the presstitude would be all over him/her by now.

    "Genius" grants for the Humanities are a joke, they are designed so that people (mostly "under represented minorities" ?) can also be called geniuses for espousing politically correct opinions.

    No, no, this seal barks on command every time I put the red rubber ball on his nose. He’s a genius I tells ya!

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  32. Some of the so-called “genius” awards that the MacArthur Foundation awards go to genuinely brilliant and creative people. But a large number simply go to politically correct leftists. So yes, if you want more politically correct leftists, just keep open the floodgates of immigration.

    If we restricted immigration to genuine geniuses, their spouses, and minor children, we’d have total immigration of maybe 50,000 people a year — not over one million, as we have now.

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  33. @Thomm
    Here is the performance of immigrant groups in America :

    https://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/20150523_SRC174.png

    Interesting. It does not match the prosperity of their home countries.

    India and Mexico have similar average IQ. But Mexico sends us its peasants (their dentists and auto mechanics stay at home) while India sends us its college graduates. So we get very different outcomes for Mexican and Indian immigrants.

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    That is largely true. There is something to be said for how a longer geographical distance often filters for a better immigrant.
    , @Jim
    Average IQ in India is about 83 compared to an average IQ of 89 in Mexico. This is a significant difference.
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  34. theMann says:

    So what he is saying then is that we give every potential immigrant an IQ test and if they hit 130 or better, we let them in?

    Didn’t think so.

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  35. Thomm says:
    @SimpleHandle
    India and Mexico have similar average IQ. But Mexico sends us its peasants (their dentists and auto mechanics stay at home) while India sends us its college graduates. So we get very different outcomes for Mexican and Indian immigrants.

    That is largely true. There is something to be said for how a longer geographical distance often filters for a better immigrant.

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  36. @Thomm
    Here is the performance of immigrant groups in America :

    https://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/20150523_SRC174.png

    Interesting. It does not match the prosperity of their home countries.

    Thomas Sowell has been saying for decades that immigration has a selective factor – it is the exceptional or unusual person that decides to immigrate, while the average person usually stays in their home country.

    The chart should have shown Jamaica/Caribbean and Nigeria.

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    That is mostly true, but it appears that India's outcomes in the US are better than even China's. Maybe many of the smart Chinese also go to Singapore, etc..

    As far as the intelligentsia being the only emigrants out coming to the US, Iran would appear to be the closest comparison to India.
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  37. I can remember variations on the “sainted immigrant” stories pumped by ‘Merikin gubmint going all the way back to the 50s. Holy, sacrosanct immigration.

    We need no immigrants, genius or otherwise. The geniuses abroad can stay home and help to lift their countries’ vibrant, yearning-to-be-free populations from 3rd-world to 2nd-world conditions.

    Americans can get busy restoring America to 1st-world conditions. The mighty hath fallen several steps down the ladder. Get the population down to a functional, efficient and stable 250 million, and the children of real Americans might have a ghost of a chance.

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  38. @jim jones
    Nurses from Philippines going for jobs at UK Hospital fail English test:

    http://www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/nursing-recruits-fail-english-test-132681/

    The test is flawed. Educated Filipinos are fluent in English Native born and raised British nurses would have failed the test too if they had been required to take it.

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  39. Thomm says:
    @Triumph104
    Thomas Sowell has been saying for decades that immigration has a selective factor - it is the exceptional or unusual person that decides to immigrate, while the average person usually stays in their home country.

    The chart should have shown Jamaica/Caribbean and Nigeria.

    https://youtu.be/IxH1pCZi4jw?t=140

    That is mostly true, but it appears that India’s outcomes in the US are better than even China’s. Maybe many of the smart Chinese also go to Singapore, etc..

    As far as the intelligentsia being the only emigrants out coming to the US, Iran would appear to be the closest comparison to India.

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    India's caste system accounts for the difference. Highly intelligent people mate with each other with few exceptions, less regression towards the mean. Chinese on the other hand, have the same mating habits as Westerners. In the documentary Meet the Patels, I was surprised to see that Patels have been marrying Patels for centuries.

    Chinese are known as the Jews of Southeast Asia, but according to the 2010 census, Indians in Singapore had higher household income than the Chinese in Singapore. This is for citizens and permanent residents, not the 1.6 million non-resident individuals.

    Avg Household Income 2000 2010
    Total 4,943 7,214
    Chinese 5,219 7,326
    Malays 3,148 4,575
    Indians 4,556 7,664

    Median Household Income 2000 2010
    Total 3,607 5,000
    Chinese 3,848 5,100
    Malays 2,708 3,844
    Indians 3,387 5,370

    https://www.singstat.gov.sg/docs/default-source/default-document-library/publications/publications_and_papers/cop2010/census_2010_release2/findings.pdf
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  40. fish says:
    @Cagey Beast
    The far-right paranoiacs and scaremongers who pressured Trump to end DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) hate to acknowledge what we reality-moored types understand ...

    Do these people never stop and wonder what happens if you keep telling the majority of one's fellow citizens "I hate you. I far prefer strangers over you. I want strangers to take your place higher up the ladder. I think you're either evil or mentally ill not to think so too". I know people like Frank Bruni get a high out of taunting their fellow citizens in this way because for years I've seen it every day on Twitter, in opinion pieces and in the comments section of the "respectable" media.

    As a foreigner it's actually remarkable just how much venom and contempt "liberal" Americans have for their White fellow citizens. It seems to be bottomless and was like that long before Trump took his magic escalator ride. Maybe they lash out so viciously at White people "out there" because they can feel deep down the liberal project is failing on their watch and someone has to take the blame.

    The far-right paranoiacs and scaremongers who pressured Trump to end DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals) hate to acknowledge what we reality-moored types understand …

    ….that there is an insufficient selection of reasonably priced imported Rent Boys from which to choose!

    Genius indeed!

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  41. Pat Boyle says:
    @Cranky
    What a buffoon, what if that was simply because of greater reward here for genius types?

    And our bottom barrel immigration sure looks pretty bad from a viewpoint of overall intelligence, but I guess Frank isn't too concerned as long as they are his short order cook, maid, and dishwasher crew.

    Why don't American young and undereducated get employment, because the economic bottom rungs are inhabited by tons of recent illegal immigrants.

    I am tired of the obvious not being stated, and our schools are now being overrun by anchor babies and children illegally brought by their parents.

    So Trump promised to fix this, and he sure is failing.

    Our elites are failing the common people of America, and yet they continue to think that unlimited immigration is a good idea.

    So, we import our new underclass, and the old ones can just starve.

    Utter fools.

    Yes, yes. So what?

    You say that these genius economists were from Ukraine, Turkey, and India – all three are Caucasian nations. I myself have supervised many immigrants from Ukraine, Russia and India (software developers). Sorry I never supervised anyone from Turkey.

    Some of them were absolutely brilliant. This is not news. They were all hand picked for being brilliant. If they were just average it wouldn’t have covered the plane fare.

    None of them were from sub Saharan Africa. There are indeed places on Earth where there are young men who are geniuses and have not been recognized by their nation. There are plenty of very smart Chinese but China and America are well aware of the potential of young Chinese men so the genius hunting isn’t so profitable there. Ukraine is a good spot.

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  42. Jim says:
    @SimpleHandle
    India and Mexico have similar average IQ. But Mexico sends us its peasants (their dentists and auto mechanics stay at home) while India sends us its college graduates. So we get very different outcomes for Mexican and Indian immigrants.

    Average IQ in India is about 83 compared to an average IQ of 89 in Mexico. This is a significant difference.

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  43. TG says:

    This is absurd.

    Our current immigration policy is not going to get us more geniuses – it is going to drive them away!

    Imagine that Harvard University accepted as faculty everyone who applied, regardless of ability, and then split up the money for wages and office and lab space amongst a massive and booming group of faculty. Soon the place would be overcrowded, with low salaries, and the best would leave. So that’s not what Harvard does. Harvard accepts only the BEST applicants, and says no to the average and below-average ones.

    In the United States, the immigration policy that gave us people like Einstein and Fermi and Szilard and von Braun etc. was a restrictive one – it wasn’t even enough to have a PhD in physics, you had to be the BEST PhD in physics.

    People like Einstein don’t go to places like Bangladesh. They go to places that have abundant resources and opportunities. And if we don’t start tightening up our immigration policy pretty soon, that’s not the kind of place that the United States will be any longer.

    We can have quality, or we can have quantity (i.e.., cheap labor). In the long run we can’t have both.

    http://globuspallidusxi.blogspot.com/2014/02/yes-there-can-be-too-many-smart-people.html

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  44. pyrrhus says:
    @Mr. XYZ
    Sure, there are many talented immigrants to the U.S.; however, overall, based on Anatoly Karlin's PISA data, it looks like, on average, immigrants underperform native-born Americans.

    Of course, a lot depends on the quality of the immigrants whom one attracts. Indeed, countries with "cognitively elitist" immigration policies such as Canada and Australia appear to benefit more from immigration than other countries do.

    Average IQ of those coming over the Mexican border–85…Not even educable…Let’s have a policy where only the equivalent of Werner von Braun is allowed to immigrate, and everyone will be happy….except possibly David Brooks and friends.

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  45. @Thomm
    That is mostly true, but it appears that India's outcomes in the US are better than even China's. Maybe many of the smart Chinese also go to Singapore, etc..

    As far as the intelligentsia being the only emigrants out coming to the US, Iran would appear to be the closest comparison to India.

    India’s caste system accounts for the difference. Highly intelligent people mate with each other with few exceptions, less regression towards the mean. Chinese on the other hand, have the same mating habits as Westerners. In the documentary Meet the Patels, I was surprised to see that Patels have been marrying Patels for centuries.

    Chinese are known as the Jews of Southeast Asia, but according to the 2010 census, Indians in Singapore had higher household income than the Chinese in Singapore. This is for citizens and permanent residents, not the 1.6 million non-resident individuals.

    Avg Household Income 2000 2010
    Total 4,943 7,214
    Chinese 5,219 7,326
    Malays 3,148 4,575
    Indians 4,556 7,664

    Median Household Income 2000 2010
    Total 3,607 5,000
    Chinese 3,848 5,100
    Malays 2,708 3,844
    Indians 3,387 5,370

    https://www.singstat.gov.sg/docs/default-source/default-document-library/publications/publications_and_papers/cop2010/census_2010_release2/findings.pdf

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    That is fascinating that Indians in Singapore rose from being behind Chinese to above Chinese. The Indians in Singapore have been there 60+ years, and were not the smartest Indians either, and certainly the least Caucasian, being Tamils rather than North Indians. This busts every over simplified assumption that the WN retards have about IQ and the permanence of ethnic hierarchies. If anything, it points to how Indian outperformance in the US, Canada, and Australia is real and won't saturate any time soon. There is a belief that only 1-3% of Indians are smart, but Ron Unz has proven that it is closer to 20%. Their performance in Singapore is evidence of this.

    There is significant intermarriage between Chinese and Indians in Singapore, at this point, since they are all 2-3 generations in.

    Caste in India does not work the way you think it does. The rich people are business people who are the #3 caste out of 4. By contrast, the top caste (Brahmins) are often professors, clergy, monks, etc. They have high status but are not rich. On top of that, many Indians are not Hindus at all (so no caste).

    , @Thomm
    Indians were the Jews of East Africa. They went to that poverty-stricken land and still generated vast wealth in a manner that Africans could not understand. Idi Amin of Uganda expelled them and confiscated their land. Others in Kenya and Tanzania leave Africa with millions, and buy up land in Western Australia (Perth) as well as in Canada, Britain, and the US.

    They created gold in the least likely place..
    , @DFH
    The Indian caste system also helps preserve at the top the Aryan genetic material. The higher-caste Indians are genetically closer to Europeans.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010515080044.htm
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  46. Eagle Eye says:
    @Priss Factor
    Since the West is so rich, it doesn't need more geniuses. After all, US leads in patents and innovations.

    It is the poor Third World that needs more geniuses. So, how about all the high-IQ libs and progs emigrate to Africa and other Third World nations and do their magic there? Why make the rich West even richer with more geniuses?

    Why not spread the genius around by having geniuses in the West emigrate to Africa and elsewhere?

    If immigration is so good, we need progressive immigration of sending rich smart people of the West to poor nations.

    It's not good to make rich nations even richer with more geniuses.

    We need to make poor nations richer by sending them more geniuses.

    I suggest Frank Bruni take his genius to Zimbabwe or Congo. Why won't he? Is he 'racist' and prefer to live in a nation founded by 'racist' and 'white supremacist' Anglos?

    Her findings speak to the oft-charted success of American immigrants in STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) fields. The MacArthur grants cover the humanities, too; the past decade’s winners include such celebrated writers as Junot Díaz, born in the Dominican Republic; Edwidge Danticat, born in Haiti; and Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, the author of “Americanah,” born in Nigeria.

    TRANSLATION: Frank Bruni couldn't find a single African STEM genius on the MacArthur list, but MacArthur’s establishment trustees had taken care to nominate some token African talkers to make up the numbers.

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  48. Thomm says:
    @Triumph104
    India's caste system accounts for the difference. Highly intelligent people mate with each other with few exceptions, less regression towards the mean. Chinese on the other hand, have the same mating habits as Westerners. In the documentary Meet the Patels, I was surprised to see that Patels have been marrying Patels for centuries.

    Chinese are known as the Jews of Southeast Asia, but according to the 2010 census, Indians in Singapore had higher household income than the Chinese in Singapore. This is for citizens and permanent residents, not the 1.6 million non-resident individuals.

    Avg Household Income 2000 2010
    Total 4,943 7,214
    Chinese 5,219 7,326
    Malays 3,148 4,575
    Indians 4,556 7,664

    Median Household Income 2000 2010
    Total 3,607 5,000
    Chinese 3,848 5,100
    Malays 2,708 3,844
    Indians 3,387 5,370

    https://www.singstat.gov.sg/docs/default-source/default-document-library/publications/publications_and_papers/cop2010/census_2010_release2/findings.pdf

    That is fascinating that Indians in Singapore rose from being behind Chinese to above Chinese. The Indians in Singapore have been there 60+ years, and were not the smartest Indians either, and certainly the least Caucasian, being Tamils rather than North Indians. This busts every over simplified assumption that the WN retards have about IQ and the permanence of ethnic hierarchies. If anything, it points to how Indian outperformance in the US, Canada, and Australia is real and won’t saturate any time soon. There is a belief that only 1-3% of Indians are smart, but Ron Unz has proven that it is closer to 20%. Their performance in Singapore is evidence of this.

    There is significant intermarriage between Chinese and Indians in Singapore, at this point, since they are all 2-3 generations in.

    Caste in India does not work the way you think it does. The rich people are business people who are the #3 caste out of 4. By contrast, the top caste (Brahmins) are often professors, clergy, monks, etc. They have high status but are not rich. On top of that, many Indians are not Hindus at all (so no caste).

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    Caste in India does not work the way you think it does. The rich people are business people who are the #3 caste out of 4.
     
    True as far as it goes.

    By contrast, the top caste (Brahmins) are often professors, clergy, monks, etc. They have high status but are not rich.
     
    Also true. Some Brahmin work as cooks. Brahmin cooks are popular because they are familiar with ritual rules.

    On top of that, many Indians are not Hindus at all (so no caste).
     
    NOT true. Christians and Muslim Indians remain highly caste-aware, much to the chagrin of lower-caste Christian clergy.

    One might almost say:

    Caste in India does not work the way you think it does.
     
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  49. Thomm says:
    @Triumph104
    India's caste system accounts for the difference. Highly intelligent people mate with each other with few exceptions, less regression towards the mean. Chinese on the other hand, have the same mating habits as Westerners. In the documentary Meet the Patels, I was surprised to see that Patels have been marrying Patels for centuries.

    Chinese are known as the Jews of Southeast Asia, but according to the 2010 census, Indians in Singapore had higher household income than the Chinese in Singapore. This is for citizens and permanent residents, not the 1.6 million non-resident individuals.

    Avg Household Income 2000 2010
    Total 4,943 7,214
    Chinese 5,219 7,326
    Malays 3,148 4,575
    Indians 4,556 7,664

    Median Household Income 2000 2010
    Total 3,607 5,000
    Chinese 3,848 5,100
    Malays 2,708 3,844
    Indians 3,387 5,370

    https://www.singstat.gov.sg/docs/default-source/default-document-library/publications/publications_and_papers/cop2010/census_2010_release2/findings.pdf

    Indians were the Jews of East Africa. They went to that poverty-stricken land and still generated vast wealth in a manner that Africans could not understand. Idi Amin of Uganda expelled them and confiscated their land. Others in Kenya and Tanzania leave Africa with millions, and buy up land in Western Australia (Perth) as well as in Canada, Britain, and the US.

    They created gold in the least likely place..

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  50. DFH says:
    @Triumph104
    India's caste system accounts for the difference. Highly intelligent people mate with each other with few exceptions, less regression towards the mean. Chinese on the other hand, have the same mating habits as Westerners. In the documentary Meet the Patels, I was surprised to see that Patels have been marrying Patels for centuries.

    Chinese are known as the Jews of Southeast Asia, but according to the 2010 census, Indians in Singapore had higher household income than the Chinese in Singapore. This is for citizens and permanent residents, not the 1.6 million non-resident individuals.

    Avg Household Income 2000 2010
    Total 4,943 7,214
    Chinese 5,219 7,326
    Malays 3,148 4,575
    Indians 4,556 7,664

    Median Household Income 2000 2010
    Total 3,607 5,000
    Chinese 3,848 5,100
    Malays 2,708 3,844
    Indians 3,387 5,370

    https://www.singstat.gov.sg/docs/default-source/default-document-library/publications/publications_and_papers/cop2010/census_2010_release2/findings.pdf

    The Indian caste system also helps preserve at the top the Aryan genetic material. The higher-caste Indians are genetically closer to Europeans.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010515080044.htm

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    The Indian caste system also helps preserve at the top the Aryan genetic material. The higher-caste Indians are genetically closer to Europeans.
     
    False. The rich Indians in the US (like Sundar Pichai) are South Indian and darker skinned.

    Plus, Afghanistan and Pakistan are much more Causasoid than Sri Lanka (which probably has little to no Caucasian mixture), yet Sri Lanka is much more prosperous than Pakistan or Afghanistan.
    , @Thomm
    Percent Caucasian :

    Afghanistan > Pakistan > India > Sri Lanka

    Per Capita GDP :

    Sri Lanka > India > Pakistan > Afghanistan (i.e. exactly the reverse).

    South Asia is weird. It appears that prosperity is inversely correlated to whiteness. This could be for other reasons (like Islam), but the WN idiots can't process that, so they think that 'the prosperous Indians are the whiter ones'. That is clearly not true.
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  51. Thomm says:
    @DFH
    The Indian caste system also helps preserve at the top the Aryan genetic material. The higher-caste Indians are genetically closer to Europeans.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010515080044.htm

    The Indian caste system also helps preserve at the top the Aryan genetic material. The higher-caste Indians are genetically closer to Europeans.

    False. The rich Indians in the US (like Sundar Pichai) are South Indian and darker skinned.

    Plus, Afghanistan and Pakistan are much more Causasoid than Sri Lanka (which probably has little to no Caucasian mixture), yet Sri Lanka is much more prosperous than Pakistan or Afghanistan.

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    You're an Indian living in a white country aren't you?
    Explains the butthurt towards white people. I guess you also have an inferiority complex regarding lighter skinned Indians too. Please go home, you don't belong here.

    Anyway, it is exactly true that higher-caste Indians are more similar to Europeans, just check the study I linked
    , @Eagle Eye

    The rich Indians in the US (like Sundar Pichai) are South Indian and darker skinned.
     
    Brahmin in Tamil Nadu - even if resident for hundreds of years - are reviled as Northern ("Aryan") invaders.
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  52. DFH says:
    @Thomm

    The Indian caste system also helps preserve at the top the Aryan genetic material. The higher-caste Indians are genetically closer to Europeans.
     
    False. The rich Indians in the US (like Sundar Pichai) are South Indian and darker skinned.

    Plus, Afghanistan and Pakistan are much more Causasoid than Sri Lanka (which probably has little to no Caucasian mixture), yet Sri Lanka is much more prosperous than Pakistan or Afghanistan.

    You’re an Indian living in a white country aren’t you?
    Explains the butthurt towards white people. I guess you also have an inferiority complex regarding lighter skinned Indians too. Please go home, you don’t belong here.

    Anyway, it is exactly true that higher-caste Indians are more similar to Europeans, just check the study I linked

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    No, you stupid faggot. I am an American white guy.

    Butthurt towards white people? Where did you get that? I am the one who defends successful whites from WN wiggers like you.

    Remember, White Nationalists have Negro IQs.

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  53. Thomm says:
    @DFH
    The Indian caste system also helps preserve at the top the Aryan genetic material. The higher-caste Indians are genetically closer to Europeans.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/05/010515080044.htm

    Percent Caucasian :

    Afghanistan > Pakistan > India > Sri Lanka

    Per Capita GDP :

    Sri Lanka > India > Pakistan > Afghanistan (i.e. exactly the reverse).

    South Asia is weird. It appears that prosperity is inversely correlated to whiteness. This could be for other reasons (like Islam), but the WN idiots can’t process that, so they think that ‘the prosperous Indians are the whiter ones’. That is clearly not true.

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    South Asia is weird. It appears that prosperity is inversely correlated to whiteness.
     
    There are certainly some extremely smart Dravidians, such as the brilliant Tamil mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan. Among many other contributions, Ramanujan found a much more efficient way to calculate the value of pi to any degree of accuracy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan
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  54. Eagle Eye says:
    @Thomm
    That is fascinating that Indians in Singapore rose from being behind Chinese to above Chinese. The Indians in Singapore have been there 60+ years, and were not the smartest Indians either, and certainly the least Caucasian, being Tamils rather than North Indians. This busts every over simplified assumption that the WN retards have about IQ and the permanence of ethnic hierarchies. If anything, it points to how Indian outperformance in the US, Canada, and Australia is real and won't saturate any time soon. There is a belief that only 1-3% of Indians are smart, but Ron Unz has proven that it is closer to 20%. Their performance in Singapore is evidence of this.

    There is significant intermarriage between Chinese and Indians in Singapore, at this point, since they are all 2-3 generations in.

    Caste in India does not work the way you think it does. The rich people are business people who are the #3 caste out of 4. By contrast, the top caste (Brahmins) are often professors, clergy, monks, etc. They have high status but are not rich. On top of that, many Indians are not Hindus at all (so no caste).

    Caste in India does not work the way you think it does. The rich people are business people who are the #3 caste out of 4.

    True as far as it goes.

    By contrast, the top caste (Brahmins) are often professors, clergy, monks, etc. They have high status but are not rich.

    Also true. Some Brahmin work as cooks. Brahmin cooks are popular because they are familiar with ritual rules.

    On top of that, many Indians are not Hindus at all (so no caste).

    NOT true. Christians and Muslim Indians remain highly caste-aware, much to the chagrin of lower-caste Christian clergy.

    One might almost say:

    Caste in India does not work the way you think it does.

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  55. Eagle Eye says:
    @Thomm

    The Indian caste system also helps preserve at the top the Aryan genetic material. The higher-caste Indians are genetically closer to Europeans.
     
    False. The rich Indians in the US (like Sundar Pichai) are South Indian and darker skinned.

    Plus, Afghanistan and Pakistan are much more Causasoid than Sri Lanka (which probably has little to no Caucasian mixture), yet Sri Lanka is much more prosperous than Pakistan or Afghanistan.

    The rich Indians in the US (like Sundar Pichai) are South Indian and darker skinned.

    Brahmin in Tamil Nadu – even if resident for hundreds of years – are reviled as Northern (“Aryan”) invaders.

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  56. Eagle Eye says:
    @Thomm
    Percent Caucasian :

    Afghanistan > Pakistan > India > Sri Lanka

    Per Capita GDP :

    Sri Lanka > India > Pakistan > Afghanistan (i.e. exactly the reverse).

    South Asia is weird. It appears that prosperity is inversely correlated to whiteness. This could be for other reasons (like Islam), but the WN idiots can't process that, so they think that 'the prosperous Indians are the whiter ones'. That is clearly not true.

    South Asia is weird. It appears that prosperity is inversely correlated to whiteness.

    There are certainly some extremely smart Dravidians, such as the brilliant Tamil mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan. Among many other contributions, Ramanujan found a much more efficient way to calculate the value of pi to any degree of accuracy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

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  57. Thomm says:
    @DFH
    You're an Indian living in a white country aren't you?
    Explains the butthurt towards white people. I guess you also have an inferiority complex regarding lighter skinned Indians too. Please go home, you don't belong here.

    Anyway, it is exactly true that higher-caste Indians are more similar to Europeans, just check the study I linked

    No, you stupid faggot. I am an American white guy.

    Butthurt towards white people? Where did you get that? I am the one who defends successful whites from WN wiggers like you.

    Remember, White Nationalists have Negro IQs.

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