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Putin’s Defender
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Stephen F. Cohen has long been one of the leading scholars of Russia and the Soviet Union. He wrote a biography of the Bolshevik revolutionary Nikolai Bukharin and is a contributing editor at the Nation, which his wife, Katrina vanden Heuvel, edits and publishes. In recent years, Cohen has emerged as a more ideologically dexterous figure, ripping those he thinks are pursuing a “new Cold War” with Russia and calling for President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin to form “an alliance against international terrorism.” Cohen has gone so far as to describe the investigations into the Trump campaign and Russia “the No. 1 threat to the United States today.”

Cohen has been criticized by many people, myself included, for his defenses of Putin. (He once said the Ukraine crisis had been “imposed on [Putin] and he had no choice but to react.”) He scolded President Barack Obama for sending retired gay athletes to Sochi and recently went on Fox News to speak up for Trump’s war against leakers.

I spoke by phone with Cohen, who is also a professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at NYU and Princeton and the author of Soviet Fates and Lost Alternatives: From Stalinism to the New Cold War. During the course of our conversation, which has been edited and condensed for clarity, we discussed why Cohen won’t concede that the Democratic National Committee was hacked, whether it’s fair to call Putin a murderer, and why we may be entering an era much more dangerous than the Cold War.

I heard you recently on Fox News. You said that the “assault” on President Trump “was the No. 1 threat to the United States today.” What did you mean by that?

Threat. OK. Threat. That’s a good word. We’re in a moment when we need an American president and a Kremlin leader to act at the highest level of statesmanship. Whether they meet in summit or not is not of great importance, but we need intense negotiations to tamp down this new Cold War, particularly in Syria, but not only. Trump is being crippled by these charges, for which I can find no facts whatsoever.

Wait, which charges are we talking about?

That he is somehow in the thrall or complicity or control, under the influence of the Kremlin.

 
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  1. The comments under that piece are depressing. US liberals are such dumb assholes, disturbing how they’re totally buying the anti-Russian narrative without any thought for the possible consequences.

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    They robotically follow the party propaganda line like nihilist fascist lemmings almost like those following the prevailing view during the tausendjaehrige.
    , @MarkinLA
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    Liberal dumbasses and right wing dumb asses make up 95% of the US population.
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  2. Cohen is an intelligent, accurate commentator and historian on Russian matters. The lamestream media, including Slate as indicated by the interviewer and other articles, seem to have it in for Russia in the manner of fascist propaganda. Of course, the fact Russia has a large store of nukes, makes the prevailing propaganda meme not only criminal but nihilistically stupid.

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  3. @German_reader
    The comments under that piece are depressing. US liberals are such dumb assholes, disturbing how they're totally buying the anti-Russian narrative without any thought for the possible consequences.

    They robotically follow the party propaganda line like nihilist fascist lemmings almost like those following the prevailing view during the tausendjaehrige.

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  4. Nobody says:

    It wasn’t too long ago that the lefties wanted to be bestest friends with the USSR. Now, Putin is our enemy.

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  5. Eagle Eye says:

    Breathtaking how WITHIN DAYS after November 8, 2016 all the former Russia-loving Left-Totalitarians did a smooth 180 and now spout anti-Russian rhetoric that would have seemed overwrought to Cold Warriors back in the 1950s.

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    • Replies: @utu
    Left-Totalitarians did a smooth 180

    It is easy for them. Till June 22, 1941 all communist in America were isolationists and supported America First, Charles Lindbergh. They were writing pacifist pamphlets and composed anti-war songs, etc. And within one day they switched 180. Took them some effort to cover up traces of their isolationist and pacifist episode.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-when-communism-inspired-americans/#comment-1855425
    “Professor Zinn, in May of 1941 your friend, Pete Seeger, produced an album called Songs for John Doe which was a collection of blue collar songs that included one called The Ballad of October 16th. [At the time, Pete Seeger had formed his first commercial band called the Almanac Singers.] That song demonstrated yours and Pete’s pacifist philosophy by excoriating Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt for urging United States entry into World War II to fight Hitler. Shortly after the album’s release, you and Pete were desperately trying to retrieve all the copies to take them out of circulation. Exactly what happened between May and June of 1941 to turn you from devoted anti-war activists into sabre-rattling patriots, resulting in your enlisting in the Army Air Force as a bombardier?”
     
    , @RobinG
    The Clintonistas and Berniacs have shamelessly united to attack Trump, cynically using the fakest of fake news. This weekend they're marching "for Truth." If that were true, why aren't they marching to investigate Hillary and who killed Seth Rich?

    But no. On June 3 they're out to get Trump.
    "Demonstrations to call for urgent investigations into Russian interference in the US election and ties to Donald Trump, his administration and his associates." https://www.marchfortruth.info/

    Meanwhile, barely a peep about illegal, unconstitutional attacks on Syria, or huge sale of arms to Saudis that will likely end up with terrorists. A better investigation would be Who Killed Seth Rich. Ask for one here:

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker

    On July 10, 2016, Seth Rich was shot twice in the early morning as he walked back to his house in Washington D.C. Immediately after the crime, the death was called an armed robbery... but none of Seth Rich's belongings were taken from him.

    Rod Wheeler, a private investigator hired by the family, said that there was evidence Seth Rich had contacted WikiLeaks and that law enforcement were covering this up. MSM is not covering this murder, instead pushing it to the side, so it is now up to us.

    The facts do not add up, law enforcement stopped covering the crime, and now it is time for us to fight for justice. Seth Rich deserves this.
     
    , @alexander
    What is breathtaking , Eagle eye,

    Is the latest NYTimes piece suggesting Putin has finally "come clean" Russia was involved in the hacking of the DNC and the notorious email dump to Wikileaks.

    Its unbelievable what our "paper of record" is capable of these days.

    They take Putin's comment which suggested .... the leaks were likely the work of a very patriotic (US) citizen (Seth Rich anyone ???) ....and somehow contort it into a miraculous "Putin Mea Culpa" suggesting the "hacking" was done by a very patriotic (Russian) .

    What is the world coming to ?.......Everything our media says and does is just dripping with manipulation and fraud.

    It is so sad.

    It's heartbreaking.
  6. Chuck says:
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    Could be that a country that lost ~20 million after getting invaded by Hitler might have a self-interested reason to object to denials of Nazi genocide.
  7. utu says:
    @Eagle Eye
    Breathtaking how WITHIN DAYS after November 8, 2016 all the former Russia-loving Left-Totalitarians did a smooth 180 and now spout anti-Russian rhetoric that would have seemed overwrought to Cold Warriors back in the 1950s.

    Left-Totalitarians did a smooth 180

    It is easy for them. Till June 22, 1941 all communist in America were isolationists and supported America First, Charles Lindbergh. They were writing pacifist pamphlets and composed anti-war songs, etc. And within one day they switched 180. Took them some effort to cover up traces of their isolationist and pacifist episode.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/nyt-when-communism-inspired-americans/#comment-1855425
    “Professor Zinn, in May of 1941 your friend, Pete Seeger, produced an album called Songs for John Doe which was a collection of blue collar songs that included one called The Ballad of October 16th. [At the time, Pete Seeger had formed his first commercial band called the Almanac Singers.] That song demonstrated yours and Pete’s pacifist philosophy by excoriating Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt for urging United States entry into World War II to fight Hitler. Shortly after the album’s release, you and Pete were desperately trying to retrieve all the copies to take them out of circulation. Exactly what happened between May and June of 1941 to turn you from devoted anti-war activists into sabre-rattling patriots, resulting in your enlisting in the Army Air Force as a bombardier?”

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  8. Bob Sykes says:

    Cohen happens to be correct on all points. You are the person who is wrong.

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  9. RobinG says:
    @Eagle Eye
    Breathtaking how WITHIN DAYS after November 8, 2016 all the former Russia-loving Left-Totalitarians did a smooth 180 and now spout anti-Russian rhetoric that would have seemed overwrought to Cold Warriors back in the 1950s.

    The Clintonistas and Berniacs have shamelessly united to attack Trump, cynically using the fakest of fake news. This weekend they’re marching “for Truth.” If that were true, why aren’t they marching to investigate Hillary and who killed Seth Rich?

    But no. On June 3 they’re out to get Trump.
    “Demonstrations to call for urgent investigations into Russian interference in the US election and ties to Donald Trump, his administration and his associates.” https://www.marchfortruth.info/

    Meanwhile, barely a peep about illegal, unconstitutional attacks on Syria, or huge sale of arms to Saudis that will likely end up with terrorists. A better investigation would be Who Killed Seth Rich. Ask for one here:

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker

    On July 10, 2016, Seth Rich was shot twice in the early morning as he walked back to his house in Washington D.C. Immediately after the crime, the death was called an armed robbery… but none of Seth Rich’s belongings were taken from him.

    Rod Wheeler, a private investigator hired by the family, said that there was evidence Seth Rich had contacted WikiLeaks and that law enforcement were covering this up. MSM is not covering this murder, instead pushing it to the side, so it is now up to us.

    The facts do not add up, law enforcement stopped covering the crime, and now it is time for us to fight for justice. Seth Rich deserves this.

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  10. Ryan says:

    I got the sense that the reporter was in high school or something. Totally immature.

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  11. Agent76 says:

    14.05.2017 International Cyber Attack: Roots Traced to US National Security Agency

    Over 45,000 ransomware attacks have been tracked in large-scale attacks across Europe and Asia — particularly Russia and China — as well as attacks in the US and South America.

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/05/14/international-cyber-attack-roots-traced-us-national-security-agency.html

    Jan 2, 2017 BOOM! CNN Caught Using Video Game Image In Fake Russian Hacking Story

    It looks like CNN Has tried to pull the wool over our eyes once again. This time, they used a screenshot from the Fallout 4 Video game to paint the picture of Russian Hacking. To bad that’s not what a real hacking screen looks like. And an image you will only find in the video game!

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  12. Is it just me, or is this an exceptionally awful interview?

    Whether you agree with Cohen or not (IMHO he certainly says some silly things there), the interviewer is demagogical and biased in the extreme. I suppose that’s sort of the norm for them?

    By the way, is there any evidence of 1) Putin ordering someone killed or 2) The Collusion out there yet? If read uncritically, the interview gives the impression that of course there is, all those smart and good people say so. If read critically one notices that if there’s any evidence of anything, it’s never mentioned. But if only Russia had a more liberal media environment, then surely…

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    It's not only you.

    There is much to discuss in what Cohen has to say in general (for example, unrelated to this interview, the idea, explained in "Soviet Fates and Lost Alternatives", that the economy of the USSR might finally have worked eventually I found entirely unconvincing) but that Isaac Chotiner dude really has religion. It's all self-consistent in there and out comes only Duckspeak. Or at least he knows who butters his bread.

    Cohen is definitely on the unperson / my-jimmies-are-rustled-by-your-badthink list:

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/10/18/the-new-cold-war-and-the-death-of-the-discourse/

    The smear campaign took on a particularly vindictive and personal tone when the proposal to name a graduate study program funded by Katrina vanden Heuval’s KAT Charitable Foundation named after Cohen and the late Robert C. Tucker, his mentor, was rejected by the Board of the Association for Slavic, East European, and Eurasian Studies (ASEEES). Cohen and vanden Heuval had offered to fund a fellowship program that would fill the gap left by State Department cuts in its Russian studies outlays. The first disbursements would have totaled $415,000, with more to come when the program took root. ASEEES was already sponsoring a KAT-funded Dissertation Prize, named after Cohen (and Tucker), and all seemed well until some members of the Board objected.

    On what grounds their objections were founded was never made explicit, since the whole procedure was carried out in secret, but it was clear from the beginning that Cohen’s eloquent attacks on Washington’s headlong plunge into a confrontation with Russia had provoked opposition from some Board members. So the Board came back to Cohen and vanden Heuval with what they termed a “compromise”: they’d take their money, but Cohen’s name had to be stricken from the program.
     
    , @Kimppis
    Regarding the "Putin's a killer" accusations, you can read Anatoly Karlin, who's a blogger on this very site. Statistically, journalists are quite safe in Russia (and much more so than in "liberal democracies" like Mexico and Brazil) and the deaths have actually decreased very considerably during Putin's presidency. Basically more stability, better living standards -> less crime.

    And indeed, how come 1. most of those who we killed were actually not anti-Putin (I'm not entirely sure about that, but I think it's likely, not that the Western MSM ever reported about them), 2. they were not influential and 3. why are most of those pro-Western liberals still alive? Why is Navalny alive?

    It's just too bad that even experts like Professor Cohen are not aware of those statistics. (He did a good anyway. ) That way it would very easy to counter those type of accusations. But yeah, just repeat a lie long enough and it will be believed. This is a classic example. Sad!
    , @Sowhat
    I thought the interview on Slate was a poor excuse for an interview. I don't "Slate", much , for obvious reasons. Slate isn't part of my life. I've tried to read articles by the Liberals and have given up. It's all about my version of TRUTH. I don't know who first said, " The Truth is...anything you agree with and...faith makes it all possible." I read it, recently (maybe, here). I apologize to the gentleman or lady that used it.

    The interview was weak. It almost seemed like Chotiner didn't have a game plan or a prepared series of questions to ask or maybe he simply had second thoughts about interviewing and didn't cancel. How long do you think that conversation lasted? Ten minutes? Really.

    Chotiner did show his blue colors. I will admit that. What a joke they all are. It's like "men without a country" now that the god-leader is finally removed from office. They're fish out of water, now, despised, ridiculed, exposed as the real megaphones of the Leftist/Socialist/Nany-State/Globalists Propaganda.
    Excuse me while I ...
    Pit-uey!
    Sorry about that.
  13. KenH says:

    Stephen F. Cohen is one of the few honest and patriotic Jews living in America who’s capably of telling the unvarnished truth. I regularly seek out his writings for an objective appraisal of U.S. – Russia relations.

    Unfortunately, there are ten Victoria Nuland’s, William Kristol’s and Chuck U. Schumer’s to every one Stephen F. Cohen.

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  14. “Trump, who has essentially, as far as I can tell, no clue about what’s going on anywhere and can’t keep his mind on some issue for 10 minutes”

    I thought reporters were supposed to be objective? This is why journalism has become a laughing stock as a profession……..they are trying to “make” the news not just report the news.

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  15. alexander says:
    @Eagle Eye
    Breathtaking how WITHIN DAYS after November 8, 2016 all the former Russia-loving Left-Totalitarians did a smooth 180 and now spout anti-Russian rhetoric that would have seemed overwrought to Cold Warriors back in the 1950s.

    What is breathtaking , Eagle eye,

    Is the latest NYTimes piece suggesting Putin has finally “come clean” Russia was involved in the hacking of the DNC and the notorious email dump to Wikileaks.

    Its unbelievable what our “paper of record” is capable of these days.

    They take Putin’s comment which suggested …. the leaks were likely the work of a very patriotic (US) citizen (Seth Rich anyone ???) ….and somehow contort it into a miraculous “Putin Mea Culpa” suggesting the “hacking” was done by a very patriotic (Russian) .

    What is the world coming to ?…….Everything our media says and does is just dripping with manipulation and fraud.

    It is so sad.

    It’s heartbreaking.

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  16. MarkinLA says:
    @German_reader
    The comments under that piece are depressing. US liberals are such dumb assholes, disturbing how they're totally buying the anti-Russian narrative without any thought for the possible consequences.

    You mean the same way the dumbasses on the right are totally buying the garbage about Iran and how we must “stop” them somehow without any thought for the possible consequences?

    Liberal dumbasses and right wing dumb asses make up 95% of the US population.

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  17. Dave Pinsen says: • Website
    @Chuck
    Putin's a good goy:

    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/197664/holocaust-deniers-in-russia-now-face-five-years-in/

    Could be that a country that lost ~20 million after getting invaded by Hitler might have a self-interested reason to object to denials of Nazi genocide.

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  18. Cohen was a useful idiot for the Communists back in the old days. He wasn’t an American patriot in the 1980s and he sure isn’t now. The only reason Slate trots him out is to discredit the pro-Russian position by using a notorious Soviet apologist to “defend” the anti-hacking position. Noam Chomsky and Jill Stein are good for some pro-Putin quotes as well. Those aren’t people patriotic Americans want to associate with.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Why wouldn't patriotic Americans want better relations with Russia?
  19. El Dato says:
    @Daniil Adamov
    Is it just me, or is this an exceptionally awful interview?

    Whether you agree with Cohen or not (IMHO he certainly says some silly things there), the interviewer is demagogical and biased in the extreme. I suppose that's sort of the norm for them?

    By the way, is there any evidence of 1) Putin ordering someone killed or 2) The Collusion out there yet? If read uncritically, the interview gives the impression that of course there is, all those smart and good people say so. If read critically one notices that if there's any evidence of anything, it's never mentioned. But if only Russia had a more liberal media environment, then surely...

    It’s not only you.

    There is much to discuss in what Cohen has to say in general (for example, unrelated to this interview, the idea, explained in “Soviet Fates and Lost Alternatives”, that the economy of the USSR might finally have worked eventually I found entirely unconvincing) but that Isaac Chotiner dude really has religion. It’s all self-consistent in there and out comes only Duckspeak. Or at least he knows who butters his bread.

    Cohen is definitely on the unperson / my-jimmies-are-rustled-by-your-badthink list:

    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2015/10/18/the-new-cold-war-and-the-death-of-the-discourse/

    The smear campaign took on a particularly vindictive and personal tone when the proposal to name a graduate study program funded by Katrina vanden Heuval’s KAT Charitable Foundation named after Cohen and the late Robert C. Tucker, his mentor, was rejected by the Board of the Association for Slavic, East European, and Eurasian Studies (ASEEES). Cohen and vanden Heuval had offered to fund a fellowship program that would fill the gap left by State Department cuts in its Russian studies outlays. The first disbursements would have totaled $415,000, with more to come when the program took root. ASEEES was already sponsoring a KAT-funded Dissertation Prize, named after Cohen (and Tucker), and all seemed well until some members of the Board objected.

    On what grounds their objections were founded was never made explicit, since the whole procedure was carried out in secret, but it was clear from the beginning that Cohen’s eloquent attacks on Washington’s headlong plunge into a confrontation with Russia had provoked opposition from some Board members. So the Board came back to Cohen and vanden Heuval with what they termed a “compromise”: they’d take their money, but Cohen’s name had to be stricken from the program.

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  20. Kimppis says:
    @Daniil Adamov
    Is it just me, or is this an exceptionally awful interview?

    Whether you agree with Cohen or not (IMHO he certainly says some silly things there), the interviewer is demagogical and biased in the extreme. I suppose that's sort of the norm for them?

    By the way, is there any evidence of 1) Putin ordering someone killed or 2) The Collusion out there yet? If read uncritically, the interview gives the impression that of course there is, all those smart and good people say so. If read critically one notices that if there's any evidence of anything, it's never mentioned. But if only Russia had a more liberal media environment, then surely...

    Regarding the “Putin’s a killer” accusations, you can read Anatoly Karlin, who’s a blogger on this very site. Statistically, journalists are quite safe in Russia (and much more so than in “liberal democracies” like Mexico and Brazil) and the deaths have actually decreased very considerably during Putin’s presidency. Basically more stability, better living standards -> less crime.

    And indeed, how come 1. most of those who we killed were actually not anti-Putin (I’m not entirely sure about that, but I think it’s likely, not that the Western MSM ever reported about them), 2. they were not influential and 3. why are most of those pro-Western liberals still alive? Why is Navalny alive?

    It’s just too bad that even experts like Professor Cohen are not aware of those statistics. (He did a good anyway. ) That way it would very easy to counter those type of accusations. But yeah, just repeat a lie long enough and it will be believed. This is a classic example. Sad!

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    • Replies: @Daniil Adamov
    I doubt that Putin was directly responsible for any of the high-profile deaths (Berezovsky, Politkovskaya, Nemtsov...), though one can't know for sure. Nemtsov in particular was a very useful figure for him, a wonderfully unlikable opposition leader, while the former two really WERE completely negligible by the time they died. Politkovskaya in particular never mattered at all. I do suspect they may have been killed by lower-ranking people in the power structure that may have had something to lose from their disclosures or something to gain by removing them. And it's possible to blame Putin for not doing anything to protect them.

    I do read Karlin and I agree with the overall point that murders have decreased under Putin but the Western media doesn't care about people who don't at least claim to be his opponents. However, that strikes me as being rather besides the point - that people ARE killed, probably for political (or maybe corrupt business) reasons, but no one bothers to present any real evidence that it was due to PUTIN'S political reasons.
  21. One sure thing about witch hunts is, that there are always found plenty to burn.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    What is truly bizarre about witch hunts is that the longer they go on, the more psychotic the claims become and more and more people actually start believing them.

    In the McMartin case every week that went by the stories got more and more impossible to believe and the crazier they got the more people started believing them because "children can't make that up".

    Here on Tucker Carlson we just had a poll taken where over 50% of the Democrats believed that the Russians altered the vote totals, something that nobody, not even Obama, has said. Who knows what bizarre claim will come out about Russia next. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't floated that Russian Spetsnaz troops were at the polling places forcing people to vote for Trump. Maybe I shouldn't have suggested it - it might become the newest claim.
  22. MarkinLA says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Cohen was a useful idiot for the Communists back in the old days. He wasn't an American patriot in the 1980s and he sure isn't now. The only reason Slate trots him out is to discredit the pro-Russian position by using a notorious Soviet apologist to "defend" the anti-hacking position. Noam Chomsky and Jill Stein are good for some pro-Putin quotes as well. Those aren't people patriotic Americans want to associate with.

    Why wouldn’t patriotic Americans want better relations with Russia?

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    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev

    Why wouldn’t patriotic Americans want better relations with Russia?
     
    They may or may not. The point is Cohen is being dragged out to discredit anyone who might want better relations with Russia. Guilt by association.
  23. MarkinLA says:
    @Fran Macadam
    One sure thing about witch hunts is, that there are always found plenty to burn.

    What is truly bizarre about witch hunts is that the longer they go on, the more psychotic the claims become and more and more people actually start believing them.

    In the McMartin case every week that went by the stories got more and more impossible to believe and the crazier they got the more people started believing them because “children can’t make that up”.

    Here on Tucker Carlson we just had a poll taken where over 50% of the Democrats believed that the Russians altered the vote totals, something that nobody, not even Obama, has said. Who knows what bizarre claim will come out about Russia next. I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t floated that Russian Spetsnaz troops were at the polling places forcing people to vote for Trump. Maybe I shouldn’t have suggested it – it might become the newest claim.

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    WHO KILLED SETH RICH ??***** [LOCK HER UP !!!!!]

    Appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate the murder of Seth Rich, the alleged Wikileaks email leaker.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker

    On July 10, 2016, Seth Rich was shot twice in the early morning as he walked back to his house in Washington D.C. Immediately after the crime, the death was called an armed robbery... but none of Seth Rich's belongings were taken from him.

    Rod Wheeler, a private investigator hired by the family, said that there was evidence Seth Rich had contacted WikiLeaks and that law enforcement were covering this up. MSM is not covering this murder, instead pushing it to the side, so it is now up to us.

    The facts do not add up, law enforcement stopped covering the crime, and now it is time for us to fight for justice. Seth Rich deserves this.
     
    SIGN HERE:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker
  24. Svigor says:

    Cohen has gone so far as to describe the investigations into the Trump campaign and Russia “the No. 1 threat to the United States today.”

    He’s right. It’s the tip of the spear, a campaign both public and secret to overthrow the democratically-elected government of the United States.

    It’s also treason. It’s plain that they haven’t started out with the goal of rule of law, and begun seeking impeachment for his crimes. No, they’ve started out with the goal of impeaching him by any means necessary, and are in search of any trumped-up charges they can muster to justify their ends. That’s a conspiracy to overthrow the gov’t, as far as I’m concerned.

    (He once said the Ukraine crisis had been “imposed on [Putin] and he had no choice but to react.”)

    He’s right there, too. I am not in the Putin fan club, but structural realities were left in place by the end of the USSR that forced his hand, given western action in Ukraine.

    He scolded President Barack Obama for sending retired gay athletes to Sochi and recently went on Fox News to speak up for Trump’s war against leakers.

    Good, and good.

    The comments under that piece are depressing. US liberals are such dumb assholes, disturbing how they’re totally buying the anti-Russian narrative without any thought for the possible consequences.

    They are stupid assholes, most definitely. But let’s be honest, we’re only going to hear from the stupid assholes, that’s the only sort Big Media will put near a microphone these days.

    You mean the same way the dumbasses on the right are totally buying the garbage about Iran and how we must “stop” them somehow without any thought for the possible consequences?

    Liberal dumbasses and right wing dumb asses make up 95% of the US population.

    I’d wager there’s a Hell of a lot more resistance on the right to the bellicose Zionist line on Iran, than there is on the left to the bellicose line on Russia. The alt-left isn’t a thing, not really. And doesn’t the left pretty much fall in line with the bellicose Zionist line on Iran, anyway? I can’t recall hearing much in the way of protest.

    Could be that a country that lost ~20 million after getting invaded by Hitler might have a self-interested reason to object to denials of Nazi genocide.

    Could it be that a country that produced the most powerful totalitarian regime in history, and turned a good portion of the world into a jail, is exactly the sort of country that can be expected to do what totalitarians tend to do?

    And mightn’t a country whose modern identity is perhaps mostly invested in winning that war be motivated to lie, cover up the truth?

    A lot of Holocaust BS was ginned up by the Soviets, so this is just the Russians covering up their own crimes.

    Cohen was a useful idiot for the Communists back in the old days. He wasn’t an American patriot in the 1980s and he sure isn’t now. The only reason Slate trots him out is to discredit the pro-Russian position by using a notorious Soviet apologist to “defend” the anti-hacking position. Noam Chomsky and Jill Stein are good for some pro-Putin quotes as well. Those aren’t people patriotic Americans want to associate with.

    I opened the link, but haven’t read the rest of the story yet, so just sticking to what was reproduced here: what has he said that was wrong? Far be it from me to oppose the idea that a Jew was a pro-Soviet traitor during the Cold War, but everything Cohen said I agreed with, and everything said about him sounded good to me.

    Regarding the “Putin’s a killer” accusations, you can read Anatoly Karlin, who’s a blogger on this very site. Statistically, journalists are quite safe in Russia (and much more so than in “liberal democracies” like Mexico and Brazil) and the deaths have actually decreased very considerably during Putin’s presidency. Basically more stability, better living standards -> less crime.

    How many people has Hussein droned? He even bragged about how “good” he was at pushing the button. Wow, newsflash, Russia was the Soviet Union a mere 26-odd years ago, the FSB (or whatever they’re calling themselves now) was the KGB, and Russians haven’t suddenly turned non-gangster just because the USSR disintegrated. Whoop-tee-doo. Even if Putin has ordered journalists killed, does anyone think his death tally is higher than Hussein’s, after correcting for time in office?

    Here’s the world’s smallest fiddle playing for dead spies journalists.

    Like they’re priests, or something (priests were famous for being spies, too, btw). Frankly, the world could use a few more dead journalists; it might sober the rest up.

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  25. Svigor says:

    K, I read the piece. I don’t go as far as Cohen does in some places, but his general take is very similar to mine.

    It’s amusing, how many lefties think Crimea is a hill to die on. Crimea is hugely important to Russia. And that’s the only reason we give a damn about it. That’s the whole story. We don’t care about Crimea, otherwise. But leftists act like it’s some big deal, that we provoked Russia, and Russia didn’t roll over and pull down her pants.

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    • Replies: @JVC
    Crimea was the intended target of the American sponsored coup in the Ukraine. Deny Russia the use of their warm water base at Sevastopol. Nice of the good people in Crimea to stick a big fat finger into uncle Sam's face and say no.
  26. Svigor says:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/05/17/princeton_russia_expert_stpehen_cohen_slanderous_assault_on_president_trump_is_greatest_threat_to_us_today.html

    What’s interesting is that it isn’t just the national security apparatus, or the DoD, that wants to keep the new cold war with Russia going. It’s also Big Media. Now, what do those three things have in common? Oh yeah: Zionists.

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  27. JVC says:
    @Svigor
    K, I read the piece. I don't go as far as Cohen does in some places, but his general take is very similar to mine.

    It's amusing, how many lefties think Crimea is a hill to die on. Crimea is hugely important to Russia. And that's the only reason we give a damn about it. That's the whole story. We don't care about Crimea, otherwise. But leftists act like it's some big deal, that we provoked Russia, and Russia didn't roll over and pull down her pants.

    Crimea was the intended target of the American sponsored coup in the Ukraine. Deny Russia the use of their warm water base at Sevastopol. Nice of the good people in Crimea to stick a big fat finger into uncle Sam’s face and say no.

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    I think this overstates their level of strategic thinking...
  28. The Democrats and the RINOs (Republican In Name Only) in particular John McCain and Lindsay Graham are being complete idiots with this Russia witch hunt. We should be teaming up with Russia and Assad to fight ISIS and Al Qaeda, take care of the real threat once and for all. Instead, thanks to the Democrats and their media attack dog launching the Russia witch hunt, Trump (through his libtard son-in-law Jared Kushner) is now cozying up to Assad’s #1 enemy Israel, and to Saudi Arabia the world’s biggest sponsor of Islamic terror, while openly feuding with Putin, Assad and Iran. What a bunch of idiots we have running this country. America is hopeless.

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  29. RobinG says:
    @MarkinLA
    What is truly bizarre about witch hunts is that the longer they go on, the more psychotic the claims become and more and more people actually start believing them.

    In the McMartin case every week that went by the stories got more and more impossible to believe and the crazier they got the more people started believing them because "children can't make that up".

    Here on Tucker Carlson we just had a poll taken where over 50% of the Democrats believed that the Russians altered the vote totals, something that nobody, not even Obama, has said. Who knows what bizarre claim will come out about Russia next. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't floated that Russian Spetsnaz troops were at the polling places forcing people to vote for Trump. Maybe I shouldn't have suggested it - it might become the newest claim.

    WHO KILLED SETH RICH ??***** [LOCK HER UP !!!!!]

    Appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate the murder of Seth Rich, the alleged Wikileaks email leaker.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker

    On July 10, 2016, Seth Rich was shot twice in the early morning as he walked back to his house in Washington D.C. Immediately after the crime, the death was called an armed robbery… but none of Seth Rich’s belongings were taken from him.

    Rod Wheeler, a private investigator hired by the family, said that there was evidence Seth Rich had contacted WikiLeaks and that law enforcement were covering this up. MSM is not covering this murder, instead pushing it to the side, so it is now up to us.

    The facts do not add up, law enforcement stopped covering the crime, and now it is time for us to fight for justice. Seth Rich deserves this.

    SIGN HERE:

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker

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    I do sympathize with the Seth's family. Who will investigate? I believe he was murdered but have no proof. HRC and Bill have a suspicious history, implicated but, who knows? In today's world, it could have been any one of many facets of the government or a random act. The preservers and protectors do seem disinterested.

    One thing... better have a small platoon of investigators so that, if they are all thwarted from investigating, we'll definitely know something is fishy.

    These sort of Fights for Justice rarely produce and the perpetrators know it.
  30. @Kimppis
    Regarding the "Putin's a killer" accusations, you can read Anatoly Karlin, who's a blogger on this very site. Statistically, journalists are quite safe in Russia (and much more so than in "liberal democracies" like Mexico and Brazil) and the deaths have actually decreased very considerably during Putin's presidency. Basically more stability, better living standards -> less crime.

    And indeed, how come 1. most of those who we killed were actually not anti-Putin (I'm not entirely sure about that, but I think it's likely, not that the Western MSM ever reported about them), 2. they were not influential and 3. why are most of those pro-Western liberals still alive? Why is Navalny alive?

    It's just too bad that even experts like Professor Cohen are not aware of those statistics. (He did a good anyway. ) That way it would very easy to counter those type of accusations. But yeah, just repeat a lie long enough and it will be believed. This is a classic example. Sad!

    I doubt that Putin was directly responsible for any of the high-profile deaths (Berezovsky, Politkovskaya, Nemtsov…), though one can’t know for sure. Nemtsov in particular was a very useful figure for him, a wonderfully unlikable opposition leader, while the former two really WERE completely negligible by the time they died. Politkovskaya in particular never mattered at all. I do suspect they may have been killed by lower-ranking people in the power structure that may have had something to lose from their disclosures or something to gain by removing them. And it’s possible to blame Putin for not doing anything to protect them.

    I do read Karlin and I agree with the overall point that murders have decreased under Putin but the Western media doesn’t care about people who don’t at least claim to be his opponents. However, that strikes me as being rather besides the point – that people ARE killed, probably for political (or maybe corrupt business) reasons, but no one bothers to present any real evidence that it was due to PUTIN’S political reasons.

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  31. @JVC
    Crimea was the intended target of the American sponsored coup in the Ukraine. Deny Russia the use of their warm water base at Sevastopol. Nice of the good people in Crimea to stick a big fat finger into uncle Sam's face and say no.

    I think this overstates their level of strategic thinking…

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  32. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    So Crimea can be given to Russia, but Texas belongs to the US? Hypocritical. US is a new country, too.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    {So Crimea can be given to Russia…}

    Nobody, quote, ‘gave’ Crimea to Russia.
    Crimea belonged to Russia, long before the USSR existed and long before Ukraine existed.

    And Russia is not a new country.
    Russia/Russian Empire has been around for about 1,000 years.
    , @Peter Akuleyev
    Historically Crimea belongs to the Turks, as the heirs to the Ottoman Empire. Crimea was under Greek/Byzantine/Ottoman rule for over 2,000 years. Deep down both the Russians and the Ukrainains know this, which is why both sides agree to shut Crimean Tatars up.
  33. Avery says:
    @Anonymous
    So Crimea can be given to Russia, but Texas belongs to the US? Hypocritical. US is a new country, too.

    {So Crimea can be given to Russia…}

    Nobody, quote, ‘gave’ Crimea to Russia.
    Crimea belonged to Russia, long before the USSR existed and long before Ukraine existed.

    And Russia is not a new country.
    Russia/Russian Empire has been around for about 1,000 years.

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  34. @MarkinLA
    Why wouldn't patriotic Americans want better relations with Russia?

    Why wouldn’t patriotic Americans want better relations with Russia?

    They may or may not. The point is Cohen is being dragged out to discredit anyone who might want better relations with Russia. Guilt by association.

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  35. @Anonymous
    So Crimea can be given to Russia, but Texas belongs to the US? Hypocritical. US is a new country, too.

    Historically Crimea belongs to the Turks, as the heirs to the Ottoman Empire. Crimea was under Greek/Byzantine/Ottoman rule for over 2,000 years. Deep down both the Russians and the Ukrainains know this, which is why both sides agree to shut Crimean Tatars up.

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    • Replies: @Avery
    {Historically Crimea belongs to the Turks, as the heirs to the Ottoman Empire. }

    Nonsense.

    Turks, including the so-called 'Crimean' Tatars, are invaders from East and Central Asia. Historically Russians and other Slavs are much closer distance-wise to Crimea than either Turks or Tatars.

    Crimea had been conquered by various powers going all the way back to the Roman empire. Ottoman Empire was an occupier for some time also, until Russians threw the filthy invaders out.

    Crimean Tatars maintained a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire, exporting about 2 million slaves from Russia and Ukraine over the period 1500–1700. That is until the Russian Empire came in and cleared them out.

    Most recently the treasonous Tatar scum blew up electric towers to Crimea a couple of years ago.

    And if by your logic Crimea allegedly belongs to Turks as heirs of the Ottoman Empire, then it now belongs to Russians as heirs to the Russian Empire.

  36. Avery says:
    @Peter Akuleyev
    Historically Crimea belongs to the Turks, as the heirs to the Ottoman Empire. Crimea was under Greek/Byzantine/Ottoman rule for over 2,000 years. Deep down both the Russians and the Ukrainains know this, which is why both sides agree to shut Crimean Tatars up.

    {Historically Crimea belongs to the Turks, as the heirs to the Ottoman Empire. }

    Nonsense.

    Turks, including the so-called ‘Crimean’ Tatars, are invaders from East and Central Asia. Historically Russians and other Slavs are much closer distance-wise to Crimea than either Turks or Tatars.

    Crimea had been conquered by various powers going all the way back to the Roman empire. Ottoman Empire was an occupier for some time also, until Russians threw the filthy invaders out.

    Crimean Tatars maintained a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire, exporting about 2 million slaves from Russia and Ukraine over the period 1500–1700. That is until the Russian Empire came in and cleared them out.

    Most recently the treasonous Tatar scum blew up electric towers to Crimea a couple of years ago.

    And if by your logic Crimea allegedly belongs to Turks as heirs of the Ottoman Empire, then it now belongs to Russians as heirs to the Russian Empire.

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  37. Sowhat says:
    @Daniil Adamov
    Is it just me, or is this an exceptionally awful interview?

    Whether you agree with Cohen or not (IMHO he certainly says some silly things there), the interviewer is demagogical and biased in the extreme. I suppose that's sort of the norm for them?

    By the way, is there any evidence of 1) Putin ordering someone killed or 2) The Collusion out there yet? If read uncritically, the interview gives the impression that of course there is, all those smart and good people say so. If read critically one notices that if there's any evidence of anything, it's never mentioned. But if only Russia had a more liberal media environment, then surely...

    I thought the interview on Slate was a poor excuse for an interview. I don’t “Slate”, much , for obvious reasons. Slate isn’t part of my life. I’ve tried to read articles by the Liberals and have given up. It’s all about my version of TRUTH. I don’t know who first said, ” The Truth is…anything you agree with and…faith makes it all possible.” I read it, recently (maybe, here). I apologize to the gentleman or lady that used it.

    The interview was weak. It almost seemed like Chotiner didn’t have a game plan or a prepared series of questions to ask or maybe he simply had second thoughts about interviewing and didn’t cancel. How long do you think that conversation lasted? Ten minutes? Really.

    Chotiner did show his blue colors. I will admit that. What a joke they all are. It’s like “men without a country” now that the god-leader is finally removed from office. They’re fish out of water, now, despised, ridiculed, exposed as the real megaphones of the Leftist/Socialist/Nany-State/Globalists Propaganda.
    Excuse me while I …
    Pit-uey!
    Sorry about that.

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  38. Sowhat says:
    @RobinG
    WHO KILLED SETH RICH ??***** [LOCK HER UP !!!!!]

    Appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate the murder of Seth Rich, the alleged Wikileaks email leaker.

    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker

    On July 10, 2016, Seth Rich was shot twice in the early morning as he walked back to his house in Washington D.C. Immediately after the crime, the death was called an armed robbery... but none of Seth Rich's belongings were taken from him.

    Rod Wheeler, a private investigator hired by the family, said that there was evidence Seth Rich had contacted WikiLeaks and that law enforcement were covering this up. MSM is not covering this murder, instead pushing it to the side, so it is now up to us.

    The facts do not add up, law enforcement stopped covering the crime, and now it is time for us to fight for justice. Seth Rich deserves this.
     
    SIGN HERE:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker

    I do sympathize with the Seth’s family. Who will investigate? I believe he was murdered but have no proof. HRC and Bill have a suspicious history, implicated but, who knows? In today’s world, it could have been any one of many facets of the government or a random act. The preservers and protectors do seem disinterested.

    One thing… better have a small platoon of investigators so that, if they are all thwarted from investigating, we’ll definitely know something is fishy.

    These sort of Fights for Justice rarely produce and the perpetrators know it.

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