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EUGENE, Ore. — It’s a cliché about the classroom that your students teach you as much, if not more, than you teach them.

“Where I come from, the girls have only three choices,” one of my students, in her early 20s, told me of her hometown in Eastern Oregon. “You get married, you go to beauty school, or you join the Army.” She was herself a veteran of Afghanistan.

Compared with other places I’ve lived (Los Angeles, Mexico City), Oregon is very “white.” (It’s a term so loaded, I feel I should use quotation marks at least once.) Listening to my journalism students at the University of Oregon and reading their assignments have given me many insights into the hurt, confusion and fortitude of people who could be called “white.”

I thought I knew about white people already. In the 1960s and ’70s, I grew up as a Latino (a term we didn’t use then) in the multiethnic Hollywood neighborhood of Los Angeles. My grade-school friends included an Armenian kid, an Eastern European émigré and a guy from Arkansas, all of whom were white. In class and on TV, I was fed a steady diet of stories featuring people with skin paler than mine: the Pilgrims, Abraham Lincoln, “The Great Gatsby,” “The Grapes of Wrath,” “The Godfather,” “Patton” and so forth.

 
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  1. Jason Liu says:

    A short article about nothing.

    Summary: There are poor white people.

    Ok, next.

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    • Agree: The Scalpel
    • Replies: @Bill

    A short article about nothing.
     
    Hector is very happy to report that white journalism students from Eastern Oregon have fully taken on board that being a wife and mother is some kind of horror show and that they are supposed to express hatred for the place they and their ancestors call home. But, hey, at least he pretends to be broken up about it. You know, in between enclosing the word "white" in scare quotes. Maybe Hector will tell us, in his next article, what word we are permitted to use to refer to ourselves.
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  2. Rehmat says:

    What American White girls need, is true freedom from Zionist-controlled Feminism, pornography, prostitution, rape, and pay disparity.

    On December 11, 2015, Daniel Holtzclaw, 29, ex-Oklahoma City police officer, was found guilty of rape, sexual battery and forcible oral sodomy. He was arrested last year and subsequently fired from the police force. Holtzclaw faced a total of 36 counts, of which a jury convicted him of 18……

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/12/14/us-jew-cop-found-guilty-of-raping-13-black-women/

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  3. He’s writing in the NYSlimes, so it’s impressive that he didn’t trash all poor whites as ignorant racist losers who deserve to die off and be replaced by the more vibrant. He seems to actually like some of the poor whites he’s known.

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  4. Ron Unz says:

    He’s writing in the NYSlimes, so it’s impressive that he didn’t trash all poor whites as ignorant racist losers who deserve to die off and be replaced by the more vibrant. He seems to actually like some of the poor whites he’s known.

    Exactly. And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing “to die”…

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    • Replies: @anony-mouse
    As many should if they don't serve any function for the people in them

    As has happened endlessly in the past:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ghost_towns_in_the_United_States
    , @Bob Johnson
    Mr.Unz, what policies do you think lead to the suffering of poor whites, as described by hillbilly elegy and this article? What can fix them? Personally, I see immigration as alienating poor whites-they no longer can form organizations that provide purpose and engage in civic improvement when their neighbors don't speak their language or share the same culture. Immigration has lead to loneliness and, consequently, self-destructive behavior, especially because immigrants are poor and crowd into the same neighborhoods as poor whites. Institutions that united people-bars, barber shops-are now inhabited by strangers. Hispanic immigrants have low crime rates, but the greatest negative impact of immigration is that native-born americans no longer belong to their communities-it's every family for itself
    , @Stealth
    I guess not all liberals are social justice warriors driven mad by hate. I hope they'll have mercy.
    , @Johnnywalker123
    Hey, Ron. Could you offer your views on the debates, Trump tape, and Wikileaks revelations? Thanks.
    , @Gringo
    . And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing “to die”…

    Link, please. Thank you.
    , @Toks David
    I've started to notice this journalistic approach to Whites in general and White Americans specifically lately. The tone is a mix of barely disguised glee, concern trolling, and patronizing that one usually reserves for The Fallen. It comes across as false. It is transparently disingenuous, especially coming from writers who are mostly self-hating whites, or jews or minorities - looking at the angst of the white middle and working class through the lens of a revenge fantasy. Terrible.
  5. “You’re supposed to be able to make yourself rich, and if you can’t, it’s your own fault.”

    That’s from the article at the NYSlimes………about what a white student said. But when a person of color can’t there’s only one reason…..racism/white privilege…or as a POC friend says, America is ruled by white supremacy.

    “the ideas that have kept me centered as an American-born son of Latino immigrants: Be proud of your roots”

    If a white person was to do that they are given the KKK or Nazi moniker….their can be black pride, their can be brown pride and that’s it. Anything other is racism…..or so it seems.

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    • Replies: @WorkingClass

    This is a story that’s really about social class,” I’ll say. But that sense of community seems no longer available to my white students. As one explained in response: “You’re supposed to be able to make yourself rich, and if you can’t, it’s your own fault.”
     
    The author is correct. It's about class. Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%. We hear a lot about the white working class these days. Do you suppose there is a black working class. If so would the two groups have common ground?

    I almost didn't read it. I hate the NYT. I guess it's true even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.
  6. @Ron Unz

    He’s writing in the NYSlimes, so it’s impressive that he didn’t trash all poor whites as ignorant racist losers who deserve to die off and be replaced by the more vibrant. He seems to actually like some of the poor whites he’s known.
     
    Exactly. And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing "to die"...

    As many should if they don’t serve any function for the people in them

    As has happened endlessly in the past:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ghost_towns_in_the_United_States

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    • Replies: @Kyle a
    When did the discussion jump to the inhabitants of Detroit?
  7. @Ron Unz

    He’s writing in the NYSlimes, so it’s impressive that he didn’t trash all poor whites as ignorant racist losers who deserve to die off and be replaced by the more vibrant. He seems to actually like some of the poor whites he’s known.
     
    Exactly. And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing "to die"...

    Mr.Unz, what policies do you think lead to the suffering of poor whites, as described by hillbilly elegy and this article? What can fix them? Personally, I see immigration as alienating poor whites-they no longer can form organizations that provide purpose and engage in civic improvement when their neighbors don’t speak their language or share the same culture. Immigration has lead to loneliness and, consequently, self-destructive behavior, especially because immigrants are poor and crowd into the same neighborhoods as poor whites. Institutions that united people-bars, barber shops-are now inhabited by strangers. Hispanic immigrants have low crime rates, but the greatest negative impact of immigration is that native-born americans no longer belong to their communities-it’s every family for itself

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    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    Hispanics have low crime rates because they're categorized as white by government agencies. Even the Spanish Cobras, the Latin Kings, and MS13 occupying tens of thousands of prison beds would chuckle at your claim, which has also been Ron Unz' claim.
  8. @interesting
    “You’re supposed to be able to make yourself rich, and if you can’t, it’s your own fault.”


    That's from the article at the NYSlimes.........about what a white student said. But when a person of color can't there's only one reason.....racism/white privilege...or as a POC friend says, America is ruled by white supremacy.

    "the ideas that have kept me centered as an American-born son of Latino immigrants: Be proud of your roots"

    If a white person was to do that they are given the KKK or Nazi moniker....their can be black pride, their can be brown pride and that's it. Anything other is racism.....or so it seems.

    This is a story that’s really about social class,” I’ll say. But that sense of community seems no longer available to my white students. As one explained in response: “You’re supposed to be able to make yourself rich, and if you can’t, it’s your own fault.”

    The author is correct. It’s about class. Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%. We hear a lot about the white working class these days. Do you suppose there is a black working class. If so would the two groups have common ground?

    I almost didn’t read it. I hate the NYT. I guess it’s true even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.

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    • Replies: @Lyov Myshkin
    @WorkingClass

    Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%.

     

    I don't agree. It seems that, when it comes to race, there is one form of ethnocentrism that truly upsets the elite and that is European ethnic or racial unity which I think if nurtured by a responsible , racially conscious White elite could be a powerful counterbalance to the rootless Internationalist ambitions of the class you describe.

    NW Europeans seem to have a nearly unique gift for ordered liberty. We need to be preserved.
    , @Marcus

    Do you suppose there is a black working class. If so would the two groups have common ground?
     
    No, blacks vote for mass immigration (even though it arguably hurts them more): their view ,and that of almost all "minorities," is exclusively "what can your country do for you."
    , @interesting
    "Do you suppose there is a black working class"

    of course there is, i have many friends of all colors that are in this same "group" with me.
    , @OutWest
    Is there a “working class” extant as you use the term? I come from a very working class background. But all I then knew is now brownfields. It went the way of family farms from the agricultural age. While I grieve for the loss –it was a good place to grow up- it has much in common with the agricultural age. At the end of the nineteenth century the excess labor displaced by farm mechanization migrated to the new industrial factories. I was a bit surprised to learn from an excellent study of my home town that the factories –other than transportation- almost all dated back to the 1800s. They were contaminated with asbestos and silicates. Newer factories elsewhere (like Germany and Japan) were much more efficient. Fewer employees.

    I’m with you as to the problem. But it’s too late to go home to the atypical 1960s. We need to invent a new economy that works for all of us.
  9. Stealth says:
    @Ron Unz

    He’s writing in the NYSlimes, so it’s impressive that he didn’t trash all poor whites as ignorant racist losers who deserve to die off and be replaced by the more vibrant. He seems to actually like some of the poor whites he’s known.
     
    Exactly. And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing "to die"...

    I guess not all liberals are social justice warriors driven mad by hate. I hope they’ll have mercy.

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  10. @Ron Unz

    He’s writing in the NYSlimes, so it’s impressive that he didn’t trash all poor whites as ignorant racist losers who deserve to die off and be replaced by the more vibrant. He seems to actually like some of the poor whites he’s known.
     
    Exactly. And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing "to die"...

    Hey, Ron. Could you offer your views on the debates, Trump tape, and Wikileaks revelations? Thanks.

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    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    Well, partly as a consequence of that server failure, I've been mostly preoccupied with software issues the last few days. But here's a note I dropped this morning to a friend of mine who's a member of the establishment elite:

    I must say that our MSM gets stranger and stranger every day...

    For the last three days, my small webzine has featured pieces on the exceptionally dangerous US-Russia confrontation in Syria, with the Russians having brought in their top S-300 and S-400 air defense systems and warned that they'll shoot down any US planes that attempt to launch additional attacks, "accidental" or not, on Syrian army positions:

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/nuclear-poker/

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/russian-options-against-a-us-attack-on-syria/

    http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/pentagon-begins-low-intensity-stealth-war-in-syria/

    Putin also pulled Russia out of that Uranium/Plutonium agreement forged in the early 1990s and supposedly Russia just had a gigantic civil defense drill involving 40M Russians. Some seemingly reasonable people are saying the situation is more dangerous than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    But there seems zero coverage of any of that in my morning newspapers. Instead, the focus is entirely on the crude private remarks that Trump made 11 years ago about various attractive women. Meanwhile, although I didn't watch the debate, a couple of blog commenters said that Hillary supposedly made further very aggressive remarks about Russia.

    At least during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the media actually paid some attention to the situation...
     
    He generally agreed with me, so I sent this follow-up:

    Well, at least if there's a global thermonuclear war, that will quickly resolve all our other problems, including Greece's economic difficulties, the large spike in the national homicide rate, and my software difficulties...
     
  11. Ron Unz says:
    @Johnnywalker123
    Hey, Ron. Could you offer your views on the debates, Trump tape, and Wikileaks revelations? Thanks.

    Well, partly as a consequence of that server failure, I’ve been mostly preoccupied with software issues the last few days. But here’s a note I dropped this morning to a friend of mine who’s a member of the establishment elite:

    I must say that our MSM gets stranger and stranger every day…

    For the last three days, my small webzine has featured pieces on the exceptionally dangerous US-Russia confrontation in Syria, with the Russians having brought in their top S-300 and S-400 air defense systems and warned that they’ll shoot down any US planes that attempt to launch additional attacks, “accidental” or not, on Syrian army positions:

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/nuclear-poker/

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/russian-options-against-a-us-attack-on-syria/

    http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/pentagon-begins-low-intensity-stealth-war-in-syria/

    Putin also pulled Russia out of that Uranium/Plutonium agreement forged in the early 1990s and supposedly Russia just had a gigantic civil defense drill involving 40M Russians. Some seemingly reasonable people are saying the situation is more dangerous than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    But there seems zero coverage of any of that in my morning newspapers. Instead, the focus is entirely on the crude private remarks that Trump made 11 years ago about various attractive women. Meanwhile, although I didn’t watch the debate, a couple of blog commenters said that Hillary supposedly made further very aggressive remarks about Russia.

    At least during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the media actually paid some attention to the situation…

    He generally agreed with me, so I sent this follow-up:

    Well, at least if there’s a global thermonuclear war, that will quickly resolve all our other problems, including Greece’s economic difficulties, the large spike in the national homicide rate, and my software difficulties…

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    To hear the Army Chief of Staff, that little Global Thermonuclear War thingy will be a quick walk in the park for the US, so we don't need to worry our pretty little heads about it and can instead focus on things that matter, like Kim Kardashian's jewelry and Donald Trump's misogynistic potty mouth.
  12. JackOH says:

    FWIW-There was a guy from a Polish-American organization some years back who spoke about “resisting Whiteness”. The newspaper article wasn’t too clear, but I gathered the context was U. S. Census racial and ethnic designations, and the possible political manipulation thereof by the federal government, organized constituencies, and so on. I think Steve Sailer has written about the subject, but I don’t know much about it.

    I agree with the commenters above that a practical, successful White Euro-ethnic political organization just isn’t in the cards.

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    • Replies: @Faust
    "a guy from a Polish-American organization "
    When my father moved to the Northeast form the segregated South, what amazed him the most was Polish clubs, Irish clubs, Italian clubs, etc.

    When doing a little genealogy, IO noted that old census forms asked ethnic origin. Southerners usually answered "American".

    Just a comment. All is easily explained by the lack of immigration to the South.
  13. @WorkingClass

    This is a story that’s really about social class,” I’ll say. But that sense of community seems no longer available to my white students. As one explained in response: “You’re supposed to be able to make yourself rich, and if you can’t, it’s your own fault.”
     
    The author is correct. It's about class. Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%. We hear a lot about the white working class these days. Do you suppose there is a black working class. If so would the two groups have common ground?

    I almost didn't read it. I hate the NYT. I guess it's true even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.

    Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%.

    I don’t agree. It seems that, when it comes to race, there is one form of ethnocentrism that truly upsets the elite and that is European ethnic or racial unity which I think if nurtured by a responsible , racially conscious White elite could be a powerful counterbalance to the rootless Internationalist ambitions of the class you describe.

    NW Europeans seem to have a nearly unique gift for ordered liberty. We need to be preserved.

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    • Replies: @Jason Liu
    You are aware that the European affinity for liberty is exactly why leftism has been allowed to grow and cause all its problems?
    , @WorkingClass
    I cannot disagree. Whether it's your "racially conscious White elite" or my class conscious working class the enemy is the same. The rootless Internationalists. But I still think the rootless internationalists want and incite racial strife to create a distraction that prevents any opposition to their power.

    "We need to be preserved." I wholeheartedly agree. But the BLM's and the SJW's are like the policeman's dog. Mere tools deployed against us by higher powers.
  14. Kyle a says:
    @Rehmat
    What American White girls need, is true freedom from Zionist-controlled Feminism, pornography, prostitution, rape, and pay disparity.

    On December 11, 2015, Daniel Holtzclaw, 29, ex-Oklahoma City police officer, was found guilty of rape, sexual battery and forcible oral sodomy. He was arrested last year and subsequently fired from the police force. Holtzclaw faced a total of 36 counts, of which a jury convicted him of 18......

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/12/14/us-jew-cop-found-guilty-of-raping-13-black-women/

    All of his victims were black working girls.

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    • Replies: @Rehmat
    So, your mother told you that rapping "black working girl" is kosher!

    How about your biblical prayer: Thanks G-d for not making me a Gentile, a Slave, or a Woman"?

    Have a nice Yom Kippur dude....

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/10/11/have-a-nice-yom-kippur-but/
  15. Kyle a says:
    @anony-mouse
    As many should if they don't serve any function for the people in them

    As has happened endlessly in the past:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ghost_towns_in_the_United_States

    When did the discussion jump to the inhabitants of Detroit?

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  16. Rehmat says:
    @Kyle a
    All of his victims were black working girls.

    So, your mother told you that rapping “black working girl” is kosher!

    How about your biblical prayer: Thanks G-d for not making me a Gentile, a Slave, or a Woman”?

    Have a nice Yom Kippur dude….

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/10/11/have-a-nice-yom-kippur-but/

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    • Replies: @Kyle a
    Whoa. So me stating a universal truth.....his victims were all black hookers, makes my mom a promoter of kosher ideas? Lmao. Your a clown and my mother and I, we're not even Jews. But like I said your a clown. Will you be celebrating MLK day once again this year? We know how your meld so love a paid day off don at the county landfill. Perhaps you would increase traffic to your pathetic blog if you actually included some fact based commentary.
  17. Svigor says:

    The author is correct. It’s about class. Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%.

    Actually, letting every other ethnicity, race, group, what have you, make it about race, while whites refuse, is playing into the hands of the .01%. That should be spectacularly obvious, based on the fact that this is precisely what the establishment has made into an article of Faith, and enforces with every carrot and stick available.

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    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    With respect, fighting blacks, browns, etc. for government favors is a losing proposition. Whites must take matters into their own hands. Go for the throats of the ruling class.
  18. Jason Liu says:
    @Lyov Myshkin
    @WorkingClass

    Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%.

     

    I don't agree. It seems that, when it comes to race, there is one form of ethnocentrism that truly upsets the elite and that is European ethnic or racial unity which I think if nurtured by a responsible , racially conscious White elite could be a powerful counterbalance to the rootless Internationalist ambitions of the class you describe.

    NW Europeans seem to have a nearly unique gift for ordered liberty. We need to be preserved.

    You are aware that the European affinity for liberty is exactly why leftism has been allowed to grow and cause all its problems?

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    • Replies: @Lyov Myshkin

    You are aware that the European affinity for liberty is exactly why leftism has been allowed to grow and cause all its problems?

     

    I am!

    But, like with many human traits, this quality of NW Europeans is the cause of many things. I'm convinced that, among other consequences, it's a powerful driving force in our excellence when it comes to scientific discovery. It's also an inborn trait so it's not going anywhere.

    Guided by the kind of elite -- namely a responsible and racially conscious one -- I prescribe for our future I've no doubt that its benefits could be harnessed and its deficits, like the ones you have pointed out, could be tempered.

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  20. Faust says:
    @JackOH
    FWIW-There was a guy from a Polish-American organization some years back who spoke about "resisting Whiteness". The newspaper article wasn't too clear, but I gathered the context was U. S. Census racial and ethnic designations, and the possible political manipulation thereof by the federal government, organized constituencies, and so on. I think Steve Sailer has written about the subject, but I don't know much about it.

    I agree with the commenters above that a practical, successful White Euro-ethnic political organization just isn't in the cards.

    “a guy from a Polish-American organization ”
    When my father moved to the Northeast form the segregated South, what amazed him the most was Polish clubs, Irish clubs, Italian clubs, etc.

    When doing a little genealogy, IO noted that old census forms asked ethnic origin. Southerners usually answered “American”.

    Just a comment. All is easily explained by the lack of immigration to the South.

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    • Replies: @JackOH
    Rhett, the ethnic affinity organizations are still somewhat important in my NE Ohio area. Poles, Irish, Transylvanian Saxons, Italians, and so on. They're a combo of heritage, entertainment, political anode, travel club, etc. As political anodes, they were pretty vulnerable to co-optation by the Mob.

    I'm still scratching my memory about the "resisting Whiteness" idea. The only thing I can think of is that the speaker wanted to retain specific national/ethnic origins in Census questions.
  21. Kyle a says:
    @Rehmat
    So, your mother told you that rapping "black working girl" is kosher!

    How about your biblical prayer: Thanks G-d for not making me a Gentile, a Slave, or a Woman"?

    Have a nice Yom Kippur dude....

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/10/11/have-a-nice-yom-kippur-but/

    Whoa. So me stating a universal truth…..his victims were all black hookers, makes my mom a promoter of kosher ideas? Lmao. Your a clown and my mother and I, we’re not even Jews. But like I said your a clown. Will you be celebrating MLK day once again this year? We know how your meld so love a paid day off don at the county landfill. Perhaps you would increase traffic to your pathetic blog if you actually included some fact based commentary.

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    • Replies: @Rehmat
    Let the readers decide who is the clown - the one who pulled your dirty pants or the one who call names to the one who exposed your racism.

    My blog is doing very well. Why you think some brothers of yours at 'Jewish hairy cat" called my mother being Jewish - while another moron declared: "Rehmat has converted to Judaism, so you should too."

    It's the Zionist Jews who the most racist pigs in the whole world. Not only they hate Muslims, Christians, Gandhi - they have over 7,000 S.H.I.T. Jews under their belt.

    In June 2010, over 100,000 Orthodox Israeli Jews gathered in Jerusalem to show the ugly side of Talmud – not to show their usual hatred toward Jesus, his mother Mary and Christians at large, but racism against their fellow non-European Israeli Jew citizens. These fanatic Zionist Jews were showing their religious contempt for the rest of humanity on Israel’s Supreme Court ruling – forcing the European and Arab Jewish girls to study together at a religious girl school.

    The protesters told Benjamin Netanyahu and its Orthodox parties in the government that parents of European (Ashkenazi) don’t want their ‘White daughters’ to study with Arab (Sephardim) ‘brown girls’ at the girls’ school in the West Bank’s Jewish settlement of Emanuel (perhaps named after Obama’s White House Chief of Staff).

    In 2007, Israel daily Ynet, exposed similar Jewish racism by both Ashkenazi and Sephardim communities against Ethiopian and other Black Jewish communities in Israel....

    https://rehmat1.com/2010/06/18/jewish-racism-against-jews-in-israel/
  22. Marcus says:
    @WorkingClass

    This is a story that’s really about social class,” I’ll say. But that sense of community seems no longer available to my white students. As one explained in response: “You’re supposed to be able to make yourself rich, and if you can’t, it’s your own fault.”
     
    The author is correct. It's about class. Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%. We hear a lot about the white working class these days. Do you suppose there is a black working class. If so would the two groups have common ground?

    I almost didn't read it. I hate the NYT. I guess it's true even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.

    Do you suppose there is a black working class. If so would the two groups have common ground?

    No, blacks vote for mass immigration (even though it arguably hurts them more): their view ,and that of almost all “minorities,” is exclusively “what can your country do for you.”

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    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    Thanks Marcus. What about the first part of my question. Is there a black working class? Is there even any such thing as a social class structure in the U.S.?
  23. Gringo says:
    @Ron Unz

    He’s writing in the NYSlimes, so it’s impressive that he didn’t trash all poor whites as ignorant racist losers who deserve to die off and be replaced by the more vibrant. He seems to actually like some of the poor whites he’s known.
     
    Exactly. And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing "to die"...

    . And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing “to die”…

    Link, please. Thank you.

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    • Replies: @interesting
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD7QfC0Xjwk

    maybe not what you were asking for but as you can see it's not just the national review calling for old whites to die.

    it seems every single thing to some people is all about racism and they see it in all things
    , @Inque Yutani
    Here you go: https://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/articles/432569/father-f-hrer

    Seriously, 15 seconds with Google.

    Bonus, because I'm that nice: Breitbart rebuttal
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/17/a-rebuttal-to-national-reviews-claim-that-white-working-class-deserves-to-die/

    , @Jeff77450
    I know the article that he's referring to. Just google "National Review white communities need die rustbelt" and you'll find it.

    Everyone except Jonah Goldberg has quoted the author out-of-context. By "white communities need to die" he was referring to all the white communities in the "rustbelt" & Appalachia where the jobs are gone and aren't coming back but everyone is "hanging around" waiting for them to return.

    They need to "vote with their feet" and go to where the jobs are. Easier said than done, I know, but look at all the illegals from Mexico & Central America who travel thousands of miles and the obstacles that they face. They're at risk from criminals, from the law and there's the language-barrier. An American doesn't face any of that.
  24. Jeff77450 says:

    I’m so weary of articles with the theme, “America (still) has poor people and no seems to know quite what to do about it.” The rules for escaping poverty in the U.S. have been known for decades: complete high school; have no children out-of-wedlock; don’t engage in substance-abuse; don’t fall into the welfare-trap, work at *something* no matter how little it pays in the beginning. A high school diploma isn’t all the education/skill-training that a person needs but it is the “springboard” to bigger-and-better things like two- and four-year colleges, trade-schools & apprenticeships and enlistment in the armed forces (which for me was the springboard to college).

    My parents and their twelve siblings, may they all rest in peace, were born & raised in truly horrific poverty in the 1920s, ’30s and ’40s. They lived in wooden shacks with no electricity, plumbing or insulation. They hauled water from a stream. Sometimes the water would be too dirty to use as-is. When that happened they’d poor the water into a barrel and dump wood-ash on top of it. As the ash settled to the bottom it pulled down the worst of the particulate-matter and they could skim water off the top and boil it. One Winter things were so bad that my father’s family lived in a man’s barn. For all intents & purposes there was no government assistance. Then, in the early 1940s a “free lunch” program was started at their one-room schoolhouse. My (maternal) grandfather refused to allow his children to participate; they brought something from home.

    They promptly left home just as soon as they graduated from high school (or in a couple of cases without having graduated); no prolonged adolescence playing video-games in their parents’ basement for them. If they didn’t work they didn’t eat. (“Life is a classroom and hunger is the teacher.” –source unknown)

    They didn’t have children out-of-wedlock. My mother said that if any boy had gotten a girl pregnant that he would’ve been literally house-whipped out of town. In fact, she said, he might have been killed. Today, ~41% of all children in the U.S. are born out-of-wedlock. If girls/women would commit to not having a child with a man that they aren’t married to a *huge* amount of poverty (and crime) would be eliminated. Unfortunately, most people give about as much thought to the reproductive-act and its consequences as they do their next bowel-movement. No one is forcing them to do that; people make these choices.

    Growing up my wife & I weren’t poor but we were working-class & low-income. Serving three years in the army, ’76-’79, enabled me to go to college. My wife & I have worked, practiced thrift, saved and put three boys through college. (We’ve also done stupid stuff, made bad investments, blown money, etc.) I have retired from one career and am fully-vested & eligible to retire from another, each of which comes with a modest pension. This year we’ll gross ~$240K and our net-worth is ~$900K. The American Dream is still out there, you just have to make the right choices early in life and work-work-work (and save-save-save).

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    • Replies: @Eric Novak
    Your prescriptions for staying out of poverty are common sense; however, a middle-class existence on one income, with a mother at home raising the kids at least until the last begins grammar school, requires far, far more than not getting knocked up and staying off of drugs. An economy based on deindustrialization, outsourcing and offshoring, and mass immigration and surviving on credit, the selling off of assets, and fiat money is a dying economy.
    , @interesting
    "This year we’ll gross ~$240K"


    i wish some of you would talk about what it is you do to earn that kind of money. I know business owners that don't pay themselves that kind of coin and yet it seems every person/household on the internet makes well over $200K a year.

    I've been self employed for almost 30 years and if i had the ability to maintain what i had in the 90's my income would be pretty close to that but my entire industry (mold making) was gutted and shipped to China so I've been lowering prices every year to keep going.

    these weren't bolt tighter jobs that were off shored, these were skilled machinist and engineering jobs,
    , @Alfred1860
    You make some fair points. Real, lasting success only ever comes to those who work hard and don't do too much stupid shit. As Erik Novak has said, things have really changed over the last 30 years, whereby it is now almost impossible for a family to have a middle class lifestyle on one salary (unless that person is highly educated or a very successful entrepreneur). The days of Dad working 40 hrs a week at the local factory and coming home to Suzy homemaker and taking the family camping in New Hampshire for two weeks every summer are over, but they only lasted for about 3 decades anyway.

    The real problem is people's failure to understand that progress has never been and will never be linear. The Baby Boomer generation was raised in that whitebread world, and assumed that things would only be better for their children.
  25. @Bob Johnson
    Mr.Unz, what policies do you think lead to the suffering of poor whites, as described by hillbilly elegy and this article? What can fix them? Personally, I see immigration as alienating poor whites-they no longer can form organizations that provide purpose and engage in civic improvement when their neighbors don't speak their language or share the same culture. Immigration has lead to loneliness and, consequently, self-destructive behavior, especially because immigrants are poor and crowd into the same neighborhoods as poor whites. Institutions that united people-bars, barber shops-are now inhabited by strangers. Hispanic immigrants have low crime rates, but the greatest negative impact of immigration is that native-born americans no longer belong to their communities-it's every family for itself

    Hispanics have low crime rates because they’re categorized as white by government agencies. Even the Spanish Cobras, the Latin Kings, and MS13 occupying tens of thousands of prison beds would chuckle at your claim, which has also been Ron Unz’ claim.

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    I've seen some that could legitimately be classified as white, but overall that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm sure their crime rate is lower than non-hispanic blacks, but that will probably change after Hildabeest amnesties them.
    http://inthejailhouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/2-18-151.jpg
    , @Jeff77450
    Agreed. If you'll google Texas Ten Most Wanted, for example, you'll see a lot of Latino faces & names with the race given as white.
  26. @WorkingClass

    This is a story that’s really about social class,” I’ll say. But that sense of community seems no longer available to my white students. As one explained in response: “You’re supposed to be able to make yourself rich, and if you can’t, it’s your own fault.”
     
    The author is correct. It's about class. Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%. We hear a lot about the white working class these days. Do you suppose there is a black working class. If so would the two groups have common ground?

    I almost didn't read it. I hate the NYT. I guess it's true even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.

    “Do you suppose there is a black working class”

    of course there is, i have many friends of all colors that are in this same “group” with me.

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    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    Thanks interesting. But it was meant to be a rhetorical question. My point is always the same. Black and white working class have much more in common with each other than either has in common with the ruling class.
    , @Chiquita LeStrange
    Uh, the reason why they don't say black working class is because black people are assumed to be working class by default and white people are assumed to be middle class by default.
  27. @Gringo
    . And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing “to die”…

    Link, please. Thank you.

    maybe not what you were asking for but as you can see it’s not just the national review calling for old whites to die.

    it seems every single thing to some people is all about racism and they see it in all things

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  28. @Jeff77450
    I'm so weary of articles with the theme, "America (still) has poor people and no seems to know quite what to do about it." The rules for escaping poverty in the U.S. have been known for decades: complete high school; have no children out-of-wedlock; don't engage in substance-abuse; don't fall into the welfare-trap, work at *something* no matter how little it pays in the beginning. A high school diploma isn't all the education/skill-training that a person needs but it is the "springboard" to bigger-and-better things like two- and four-year colleges, trade-schools & apprenticeships and enlistment in the armed forces (which for me was the springboard to college).

    My parents and their twelve siblings, may they all rest in peace, were born & raised in truly horrific poverty in the 1920s, '30s and '40s. They lived in wooden shacks with no electricity, plumbing or insulation. They hauled water from a stream. Sometimes the water would be too dirty to use as-is. When that happened they'd poor the water into a barrel and dump wood-ash on top of it. As the ash settled to the bottom it pulled down the worst of the particulate-matter and they could skim water off the top and boil it. One Winter things were so bad that my father's family lived in a man's barn. For all intents & purposes there was no government assistance. Then, in the early 1940s a "free lunch" program was started at their one-room schoolhouse. My (maternal) grandfather refused to allow his children to participate; they brought something from home.

    They promptly left home just as soon as they graduated from high school (or in a couple of cases without having graduated); no prolonged adolescence playing video-games in their parents' basement for them. If they didn't work they didn't eat. ("Life is a classroom and hunger is the teacher." --source unknown)

    They didn't have children out-of-wedlock. My mother said that if any boy had gotten a girl pregnant that he would've been literally house-whipped out of town. In fact, she said, he might have been killed. Today, ~41% of all children in the U.S. are born out-of-wedlock. If girls/women would commit to not having a child with a man that they aren't married to a *huge* amount of poverty (and crime) would be eliminated. Unfortunately, most people give about as much thought to the reproductive-act and its consequences as they do their next bowel-movement. No one is forcing them to do that; people make these choices.

    Growing up my wife & I weren't poor but we were working-class & low-income. Serving three years in the army, '76-'79, enabled me to go to college. My wife & I have worked, practiced thrift, saved and put three boys through college. (We've also done stupid stuff, made bad investments, blown money, etc.) I have retired from one career and am fully-vested & eligible to retire from another, each of which comes with a modest pension. This year we'll gross ~$240K and our net-worth is ~$900K. The American Dream is still out there, you just have to make the right choices early in life and work-work-work (and save-save-save).

    Your prescriptions for staying out of poverty are common sense; however, a middle-class existence on one income, with a mother at home raising the kids at least until the last begins grammar school, requires far, far more than not getting knocked up and staying off of drugs. An economy based on deindustrialization, outsourcing and offshoring, and mass immigration and surviving on credit, the selling off of assets, and fiat money is a dying economy.

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    • Replies: @notsaying
    "An economy based on deindustrialization, outsourcing and offshoring, and mass immigration and surviving on credit, the selling off of assets, and fiat money is a dying economy."

    Agreed. Don't forget elimination of jobs by technology it's huge negative game-changer.
  29. @Jeff77450
    I'm so weary of articles with the theme, "America (still) has poor people and no seems to know quite what to do about it." The rules for escaping poverty in the U.S. have been known for decades: complete high school; have no children out-of-wedlock; don't engage in substance-abuse; don't fall into the welfare-trap, work at *something* no matter how little it pays in the beginning. A high school diploma isn't all the education/skill-training that a person needs but it is the "springboard" to bigger-and-better things like two- and four-year colleges, trade-schools & apprenticeships and enlistment in the armed forces (which for me was the springboard to college).

    My parents and their twelve siblings, may they all rest in peace, were born & raised in truly horrific poverty in the 1920s, '30s and '40s. They lived in wooden shacks with no electricity, plumbing or insulation. They hauled water from a stream. Sometimes the water would be too dirty to use as-is. When that happened they'd poor the water into a barrel and dump wood-ash on top of it. As the ash settled to the bottom it pulled down the worst of the particulate-matter and they could skim water off the top and boil it. One Winter things were so bad that my father's family lived in a man's barn. For all intents & purposes there was no government assistance. Then, in the early 1940s a "free lunch" program was started at their one-room schoolhouse. My (maternal) grandfather refused to allow his children to participate; they brought something from home.

    They promptly left home just as soon as they graduated from high school (or in a couple of cases without having graduated); no prolonged adolescence playing video-games in their parents' basement for them. If they didn't work they didn't eat. ("Life is a classroom and hunger is the teacher." --source unknown)

    They didn't have children out-of-wedlock. My mother said that if any boy had gotten a girl pregnant that he would've been literally house-whipped out of town. In fact, she said, he might have been killed. Today, ~41% of all children in the U.S. are born out-of-wedlock. If girls/women would commit to not having a child with a man that they aren't married to a *huge* amount of poverty (and crime) would be eliminated. Unfortunately, most people give about as much thought to the reproductive-act and its consequences as they do their next bowel-movement. No one is forcing them to do that; people make these choices.

    Growing up my wife & I weren't poor but we were working-class & low-income. Serving three years in the army, '76-'79, enabled me to go to college. My wife & I have worked, practiced thrift, saved and put three boys through college. (We've also done stupid stuff, made bad investments, blown money, etc.) I have retired from one career and am fully-vested & eligible to retire from another, each of which comes with a modest pension. This year we'll gross ~$240K and our net-worth is ~$900K. The American Dream is still out there, you just have to make the right choices early in life and work-work-work (and save-save-save).

    “This year we’ll gross ~$240K”

    i wish some of you would talk about what it is you do to earn that kind of money. I know business owners that don’t pay themselves that kind of coin and yet it seems every person/household on the internet makes well over $200K a year.

    I’ve been self employed for almost 30 years and if i had the ability to maintain what i had in the 90′s my income would be pretty close to that but my entire industry (mold making) was gutted and shipped to China so I’ve been lowering prices every year to keep going.

    these weren’t bolt tighter jobs that were off shored, these were skilled machinist and engineering jobs,

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    • Replies: @E. Rekshun
    “This year we’ll gross ~$240K”

    i wish some of you would talk about what it is you do to earn that kind of money. I know business owners that don’t pay themselves that kind of coin and yet it seems every person/household on the internet makes well over $200K a year...

    Yes! Not that college degrees or grad school guarantee anything, but I've got a BS Computer Science and an MS & MBA from very well-ranked schools and 30 years of professional experience in corporate America. Due to a couple of lay offs and missed opportunities, the "Great Recession," crushing competition, and relentless H-1B immigration, my salary today is exactly what it was in 1998; and that is well below $100K!

    The only people I've ever known that make close to $200K or more are medical doctors.

  30. @Gringo
    . And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing “to die”…

    Link, please. Thank you.
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  31. Marcus says:
    @Eric Novak
    Hispanics have low crime rates because they're categorized as white by government agencies. Even the Spanish Cobras, the Latin Kings, and MS13 occupying tens of thousands of prison beds would chuckle at your claim, which has also been Ron Unz' claim.

    I’ve seen some that could legitimately be classified as white, but overall that doesn’t seem to be the case. I’m sure their crime rate is lower than non-hispanic blacks, but that will probably change after Hildabeest amnesties them.

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  32. @interesting
    "Do you suppose there is a black working class"

    of course there is, i have many friends of all colors that are in this same "group" with me.

    Thanks interesting. But it was meant to be a rhetorical question. My point is always the same. Black and white working class have much more in common with each other than either has in common with the ruling class.

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    • Replies: @namer
    Your perspective is refreshing. Might I suggest you take a look at the World Socialist Website? Its outlook is anti-PC and anti-racialist. Class, not race, is the fundamental category for its analysis. BTW it's not sloganeering, it's thoughtful analysis. www.wsws.org
  33. @Marcus

    Do you suppose there is a black working class. If so would the two groups have common ground?
     
    No, blacks vote for mass immigration (even though it arguably hurts them more): their view ,and that of almost all "minorities," is exclusively "what can your country do for you."

    Thanks Marcus. What about the first part of my question. Is there a black working class? Is there even any such thing as a social class structure in the U.S.?

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  34. Rehmat says:
    @Kyle a
    Whoa. So me stating a universal truth.....his victims were all black hookers, makes my mom a promoter of kosher ideas? Lmao. Your a clown and my mother and I, we're not even Jews. But like I said your a clown. Will you be celebrating MLK day once again this year? We know how your meld so love a paid day off don at the county landfill. Perhaps you would increase traffic to your pathetic blog if you actually included some fact based commentary.

    Let the readers decide who is the clown – the one who pulled your dirty pants or the one who call names to the one who exposed your racism.

    My blog is doing very well. Why you think some brothers of yours at ‘Jewish hairy cat” called my mother being Jewish – while another moron declared: “Rehmat has converted to Judaism, so you should too.”

    It’s the Zionist Jews who the most racist pigs in the whole world. Not only they hate Muslims, Christians, Gandhi – they have over 7,000 S.H.I.T. Jews under their belt.

    In June 2010, over 100,000 Orthodox Israeli Jews gathered in Jerusalem to show the ugly side of Talmud – not to show their usual hatred toward Jesus, his mother Mary and Christians at large, but racism against their fellow non-European Israeli Jew citizens. These fanatic Zionist Jews were showing their religious contempt for the rest of humanity on Israel’s Supreme Court ruling – forcing the European and Arab Jewish girls to study together at a religious girl school.

    The protesters told Benjamin Netanyahu and its Orthodox parties in the government that parents of European (Ashkenazi) don’t want their ‘White daughters’ to study with Arab (Sephardim) ‘brown girls’ at the girls’ school in the West Bank’s Jewish settlement of Emanuel (perhaps named after Obama’s White House Chief of Staff).

    In 2007, Israel daily Ynet, exposed similar Jewish racism by both Ashkenazi and Sephardim communities against Ethiopian and other Black Jewish communities in Israel….

    https://rehmat1.com/2010/06/18/jewish-racism-against-jews-in-israel/

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  35. @Svigor

    The author is correct. It’s about class. Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%.
     
    Actually, letting every other ethnicity, race, group, what have you, make it about race, while whites refuse, is playing into the hands of the .01%. That should be spectacularly obvious, based on the fact that this is precisely what the establishment has made into an article of Faith, and enforces with every carrot and stick available.

    With respect, fighting blacks, browns, etc. for government favors is a losing proposition. Whites must take matters into their own hands. Go for the throats of the ruling class.

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  36. @Lyov Myshkin
    @WorkingClass

    Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%.

     

    I don't agree. It seems that, when it comes to race, there is one form of ethnocentrism that truly upsets the elite and that is European ethnic or racial unity which I think if nurtured by a responsible , racially conscious White elite could be a powerful counterbalance to the rootless Internationalist ambitions of the class you describe.

    NW Europeans seem to have a nearly unique gift for ordered liberty. We need to be preserved.

    I cannot disagree. Whether it’s your “racially conscious White elite” or my class conscious working class the enemy is the same. The rootless Internationalists. But I still think the rootless internationalists want and incite racial strife to create a distraction that prevents any opposition to their power.

    “We need to be preserved.” I wholeheartedly agree. But the BLM’s and the SJW’s are like the policeman’s dog. Mere tools deployed against us by higher powers.

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  37. @interesting
    "This year we’ll gross ~$240K"


    i wish some of you would talk about what it is you do to earn that kind of money. I know business owners that don't pay themselves that kind of coin and yet it seems every person/household on the internet makes well over $200K a year.

    I've been self employed for almost 30 years and if i had the ability to maintain what i had in the 90's my income would be pretty close to that but my entire industry (mold making) was gutted and shipped to China so I've been lowering prices every year to keep going.

    these weren't bolt tighter jobs that were off shored, these were skilled machinist and engineering jobs,

    “This year we’ll gross ~$240K”

    i wish some of you would talk about what it is you do to earn that kind of money. I know business owners that don’t pay themselves that kind of coin and yet it seems every person/household on the internet makes well over $200K a year…

    Yes! Not that college degrees or grad school guarantee anything, but I’ve got a BS Computer Science and an MS & MBA from very well-ranked schools and 30 years of professional experience in corporate America. Due to a couple of lay offs and missed opportunities, the “Great Recession,” crushing competition, and relentless H-1B immigration, my salary today is exactly what it was in 1998; and that is well below $100K!

    The only people I’ve ever known that make close to $200K or more are medical doctors.

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    • Replies: @interesting
    "my salary today is exactly what it was in 1998; and that is well below $100K"



    looks like we are in the same boat, my best year was 1997 and i matched that in 2013 (but when you adjust for inflation 2013 is worth about 1/2 of 1997) and then after Q3 2014 it was if somebody had turned off a switch and the work has completely dried up.

    2016 will be the worse year I've ever had and i don't see how the economy can keep going like this.
    , @OutWest
    Gross and net are very different. My (and my kids') businesses will gross maybe $5,000,000 and I'll have net personal income of $300,000 to $350,000. Everybody has a different journey. But, for example worked through college to earn my Chem Eng degree while earning 164.5 semester credit hours in eight semesters flat. Started law school with funding for one or two semesters but then finished the last two years at night school in the same time as full time people. And I've been very lucky in many respects.
    , @Jeff77450
    My wife manages the legal records retrieval department at a law firm. Whenever there is a mass-tort for something like a bad drug, Fen-Phen (Phen-Fen?) for example, medical records have to be obtained for each plaintiff from doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, etc., and depositions taken. There can be thousands of plaintiffs per case; it's a huge logistical undertaking. The industry is cyclical and periodically she'll be unemployed for a year or more.

    For ~>30 years I've worked in defense-contracting. I own a rental property in a good zip-code here in Houston that grosses $2,350 a month. It's paid for but taxes, insurance, HOA-fees, maintenance and a yard-service consume perhaps half of that. The pension from my first career doesn't begin until I turn 60 in a little over two years.

    As stated in my first comment my wife & I have by no means managed our lives perfectly. And we've experienced our share of both good & bad luck.

  38. @E. Rekshun
    “This year we’ll gross ~$240K”

    i wish some of you would talk about what it is you do to earn that kind of money. I know business owners that don’t pay themselves that kind of coin and yet it seems every person/household on the internet makes well over $200K a year...

    Yes! Not that college degrees or grad school guarantee anything, but I've got a BS Computer Science and an MS & MBA from very well-ranked schools and 30 years of professional experience in corporate America. Due to a couple of lay offs and missed opportunities, the "Great Recession," crushing competition, and relentless H-1B immigration, my salary today is exactly what it was in 1998; and that is well below $100K!

    The only people I've ever known that make close to $200K or more are medical doctors.

    “my salary today is exactly what it was in 1998; and that is well below $100K”

    looks like we are in the same boat, my best year was 1997 and i matched that in 2013 (but when you adjust for inflation 2013 is worth about 1/2 of 1997) and then after Q3 2014 it was if somebody had turned off a switch and the work has completely dried up.

    2016 will be the worse year I’ve ever had and i don’t see how the economy can keep going like this.

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  39. OutWest says:
    @E. Rekshun
    “This year we’ll gross ~$240K”

    i wish some of you would talk about what it is you do to earn that kind of money. I know business owners that don’t pay themselves that kind of coin and yet it seems every person/household on the internet makes well over $200K a year...

    Yes! Not that college degrees or grad school guarantee anything, but I've got a BS Computer Science and an MS & MBA from very well-ranked schools and 30 years of professional experience in corporate America. Due to a couple of lay offs and missed opportunities, the "Great Recession," crushing competition, and relentless H-1B immigration, my salary today is exactly what it was in 1998; and that is well below $100K!

    The only people I've ever known that make close to $200K or more are medical doctors.

    Gross and net are very different. My (and my kids’) businesses will gross maybe $5,000,000 and I’ll have net personal income of $300,000 to $350,000. Everybody has a different journey. But, for example worked through college to earn my Chem Eng degree while earning 164.5 semester credit hours in eight semesters flat. Started law school with funding for one or two semesters but then finished the last two years at night school in the same time as full time people. And I’ve been very lucky in many respects.

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  40. notsaying says:
    @Eric Novak
    Your prescriptions for staying out of poverty are common sense; however, a middle-class existence on one income, with a mother at home raising the kids at least until the last begins grammar school, requires far, far more than not getting knocked up and staying off of drugs. An economy based on deindustrialization, outsourcing and offshoring, and mass immigration and surviving on credit, the selling off of assets, and fiat money is a dying economy.

    “An economy based on deindustrialization, outsourcing and offshoring, and mass immigration and surviving on credit, the selling off of assets, and fiat money is a dying economy.”

    Agreed. Don’t forget elimination of jobs by technology it’s huge negative game-changer.

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  41. Svigor says:

    With respect, fighting blacks, browns, etc. for government favors is a losing proposition. Whites must take matters into their own hands. Go for the throats of the ruling class.

    Solidarity along racial lines will do that. Class solidarity? WTF does that even mean?

    Look at the Jews, they stick together, thick as thieves. 40% of the Forbes 400.

    You need an organizing principle. Race is the most natural and healthy. Which is why it drives the elite completely ape.

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    • Replies: @FX Enderby
    "Social class" does not exist in America. Only deluded lefties fantasize about imaginary class solidarity. Everyone is "bourgeois" in attitude. People with less money aspire to join the middle class and those with great wealth are just rich middle class.

    Working class Whites will never "join forces" with poor non-Whites. They just want to get more money and move away from them.

    , @WorkingClass

    Solidarity along racial lines will do that. Class solidarity? WTF does that even mean?
     
    Look it up. Learn something you don't already know.
  42. JackOH says:
    @Faust
    "a guy from a Polish-American organization "
    When my father moved to the Northeast form the segregated South, what amazed him the most was Polish clubs, Irish clubs, Italian clubs, etc.

    When doing a little genealogy, IO noted that old census forms asked ethnic origin. Southerners usually answered "American".

    Just a comment. All is easily explained by the lack of immigration to the South.

    Rhett, the ethnic affinity organizations are still somewhat important in my NE Ohio area. Poles, Irish, Transylvanian Saxons, Italians, and so on. They’re a combo of heritage, entertainment, political anode, travel club, etc. As political anodes, they were pretty vulnerable to co-optation by the Mob.

    I’m still scratching my memory about the “resisting Whiteness” idea. The only thing I can think of is that the speaker wanted to retain specific national/ethnic origins in Census questions.

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  43. Jeff77450 says:
    @Eric Novak
    Hispanics have low crime rates because they're categorized as white by government agencies. Even the Spanish Cobras, the Latin Kings, and MS13 occupying tens of thousands of prison beds would chuckle at your claim, which has also been Ron Unz' claim.

    Agreed. If you’ll google Texas Ten Most Wanted, for example, you’ll see a lot of Latino faces & names with the race given as white.

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  44. Jeff77450 says:
    @Gringo
    . And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing “to die”…

    Link, please. Thank you.

    I know the article that he’s referring to. Just google “National Review white communities need die rustbelt” and you’ll find it.

    Everyone except Jonah Goldberg has quoted the author out-of-context. By “white communities need to die” he was referring to all the white communities in the “rustbelt” & Appalachia where the jobs are gone and aren’t coming back but everyone is “hanging around” waiting for them to return.

    They need to “vote with their feet” and go to where the jobs are. Easier said than done, I know, but look at all the illegals from Mexico & Central America who travel thousands of miles and the obstacles that they face. They’re at risk from criminals, from the law and there’s the language-barrier. An American doesn’t face any of that.

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    (White)Americans don't like living 15 to an apartment and taking every last govt subsidized dollar they can get, and they don't have a "stick together against all odds" minority immigrant community of the sort that would support or condone such a lifestyle. As white Americans they still consider themselves a majority population, and like all majority populations they(ie: their women) value brutal individual social competition over weasely ethnic solidarity.

    They also don't share citizenship with a dirt cheap foreign country they can save up and retire/escape to.
  45. Jeff77450 says:
    @E. Rekshun
    “This year we’ll gross ~$240K”

    i wish some of you would talk about what it is you do to earn that kind of money. I know business owners that don’t pay themselves that kind of coin and yet it seems every person/household on the internet makes well over $200K a year...

    Yes! Not that college degrees or grad school guarantee anything, but I've got a BS Computer Science and an MS & MBA from very well-ranked schools and 30 years of professional experience in corporate America. Due to a couple of lay offs and missed opportunities, the "Great Recession," crushing competition, and relentless H-1B immigration, my salary today is exactly what it was in 1998; and that is well below $100K!

    The only people I've ever known that make close to $200K or more are medical doctors.

    My wife manages the legal records retrieval department at a law firm. Whenever there is a mass-tort for something like a bad drug, Fen-Phen (Phen-Fen?) for example, medical records have to be obtained for each plaintiff from doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, etc., and depositions taken. There can be thousands of plaintiffs per case; it’s a huge logistical undertaking. The industry is cyclical and periodically she’ll be unemployed for a year or more.

    For ~>30 years I’ve worked in defense-contracting. I own a rental property in a good zip-code here in Houston that grosses $2,350 a month. It’s paid for but taxes, insurance, HOA-fees, maintenance and a yard-service consume perhaps half of that. The pension from my first career doesn’t begin until I turn 60 in a little over two years.

    As stated in my first comment my wife & I have by no means managed our lives perfectly. And we’ve experienced our share of both good & bad luck.

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    "For ~>30 years I’ve worked in defense-contracting."
     
    And there you have it. As we avoided Hurricane Matthew last week, we passed by a base I used to occasionally pull alert tours at that was also an air logistics center; the ALC side seems to have doubled in size, with lots of shiny, new defense contractor facilities ringing the base. Houses are going up in droves and start at $170k in what used to be a swamp.

    If I hadn't gone into banking, I might have looked wistfully at my life and wondered if I might have had it better staying connected to the DOD teat.

    I really feel sorry for entrepreneurial America, who must bear the burden of supporting the Banking-Defense-Legal-Medical complex that now devours the country and ships their livelihood abroad to squeeze away any hope of building the American Dream for themselves.

    BTW, if you are grossing $240k but have a net worth of only $900k, you need to get your priorities straight. What will you do if that pension disappears?
  46. @Jason Liu
    You are aware that the European affinity for liberty is exactly why leftism has been allowed to grow and cause all its problems?

    You are aware that the European affinity for liberty is exactly why leftism has been allowed to grow and cause all its problems?

    I am!

    But, like with many human traits, this quality of NW Europeans is the cause of many things. I’m convinced that, among other consequences, it’s a powerful driving force in our excellence when it comes to scientific discovery. It’s also an inborn trait so it’s not going anywhere.

    Guided by the kind of elite — namely a responsible and racially conscious one — I prescribe for our future I’ve no doubt that its benefits could be harnessed and its deficits, like the ones you have pointed out, could be tempered.

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  47. @Ron Unz
    Well, partly as a consequence of that server failure, I've been mostly preoccupied with software issues the last few days. But here's a note I dropped this morning to a friend of mine who's a member of the establishment elite:

    I must say that our MSM gets stranger and stranger every day...

    For the last three days, my small webzine has featured pieces on the exceptionally dangerous US-Russia confrontation in Syria, with the Russians having brought in their top S-300 and S-400 air defense systems and warned that they'll shoot down any US planes that attempt to launch additional attacks, "accidental" or not, on Syrian army positions:

    http://www.unz.com/ishamir/nuclear-poker/

    http://www.unz.com/tsaker/russian-options-against-a-us-attack-on-syria/

    http://www.unz.com/mwhitney/pentagon-begins-low-intensity-stealth-war-in-syria/

    Putin also pulled Russia out of that Uranium/Plutonium agreement forged in the early 1990s and supposedly Russia just had a gigantic civil defense drill involving 40M Russians. Some seemingly reasonable people are saying the situation is more dangerous than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    But there seems zero coverage of any of that in my morning newspapers. Instead, the focus is entirely on the crude private remarks that Trump made 11 years ago about various attractive women. Meanwhile, although I didn't watch the debate, a couple of blog commenters said that Hillary supposedly made further very aggressive remarks about Russia.

    At least during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the media actually paid some attention to the situation...
     
    He generally agreed with me, so I sent this follow-up:

    Well, at least if there's a global thermonuclear war, that will quickly resolve all our other problems, including Greece's economic difficulties, the large spike in the national homicide rate, and my software difficulties...
     

    To hear the Army Chief of Staff, that little Global Thermonuclear War thingy will be a quick walk in the park for the US, so we don’t need to worry our pretty little heads about it and can instead focus on things that matter, like Kim Kardashian’s jewelry and Donald Trump’s misogynistic potty mouth.

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  48. @Jeff77450
    My wife manages the legal records retrieval department at a law firm. Whenever there is a mass-tort for something like a bad drug, Fen-Phen (Phen-Fen?) for example, medical records have to be obtained for each plaintiff from doctors, hospitals, pharmacies, etc., and depositions taken. There can be thousands of plaintiffs per case; it's a huge logistical undertaking. The industry is cyclical and periodically she'll be unemployed for a year or more.

    For ~>30 years I've worked in defense-contracting. I own a rental property in a good zip-code here in Houston that grosses $2,350 a month. It's paid for but taxes, insurance, HOA-fees, maintenance and a yard-service consume perhaps half of that. The pension from my first career doesn't begin until I turn 60 in a little over two years.

    As stated in my first comment my wife & I have by no means managed our lives perfectly. And we've experienced our share of both good & bad luck.

    “For ~>30 years I’ve worked in defense-contracting.”

    And there you have it. As we avoided Hurricane Matthew last week, we passed by a base I used to occasionally pull alert tours at that was also an air logistics center; the ALC side seems to have doubled in size, with lots of shiny, new defense contractor facilities ringing the base. Houses are going up in droves and start at $170k in what used to be a swamp.

    If I hadn’t gone into banking, I might have looked wistfully at my life and wondered if I might have had it better staying connected to the DOD teat.

    I really feel sorry for entrepreneurial America, who must bear the burden of supporting the Banking-Defense-Legal-Medical complex that now devours the country and ships their livelihood abroad to squeeze away any hope of building the American Dream for themselves.

    BTW, if you are grossing $240k but have a net worth of only $900k, you need to get your priorities straight. What will you do if that pension disappears?

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    If I hadn’t gone into banking, I might have looked wistfully at my life and wondered if I might have had it better staying connected to the DOD teat.

    One large northeast defense contractor has put bread on the table for four generations of my family. My 90-year old grandmother has been enjoying my grandfather's pension for over 40 years!
    , @Jeff77450
    The ALC increasing in size may be related to the 1995 BRACC which voted to close two ALCs, one in California and one in Texas. The facilities and other support for the various aircraft at those two ALCs had to be transferred elsewhere.

    Financially, things didn't come together for my wife & I really until just last year. We just got married six years ago and she's had two periods of unemployment during that time totaling 2.5 years. My two sons graduating in 2012 and getting off my dime provided some relief. When her son graduates this December things will improve even more. There is no such thing as 100% guaranteed financial security, for anyone, but as a simple statement of fact we're "ahead of the curve" as compared to most people. I think that I read the factoid somewhere that excluding the equity in their home, an important caveat, the average net-worth of Americans by age 62 is something like $10K. I'm 57.

    National Defense is one of ~20 functions assigned to the federal government by the Constitution and I have no apologies to make for doing honest work in that area (or for serving in the one war that I was invited to). Without a doubt there is tremendous waste in government and that will never change because it doesn't operate according to the market-forces of supply & demand, doesn't need to make a profit and doesn't face competition. The waste is "baked in." The only way to reduce government waste is by making government smaller which I'm all for. I want all levels of government--federal, state and local--to be just as small, lean, unintrusive and fiscally responsible as possible. It's not often that I agree with Bill Clinton but a few years ago he said something that hit the nail on the head. He said, "America was created in response to oppressive government and ever since then we've been having this national debate about how much government do we want. We don't want too much government---but we do want enough."

    About 300 years ago Thomas Hobbs said that life without government would be solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short and he was exactly right. Government is inefficient & wasteful but we absolutely have to have it. The alternative is depicted in movies like _The Postman_ and _The Road_.
  49. @Ron Unz

    He’s writing in the NYSlimes, so it’s impressive that he didn’t trash all poor whites as ignorant racist losers who deserve to die off and be replaced by the more vibrant. He seems to actually like some of the poor whites he’s known.
     
    Exactly. And contrast it with that big National Review writer from a couple of months back who gleefully wrote that long piece about poor white communities needing "to die"...

    I’ve started to notice this journalistic approach to Whites in general and White Americans specifically lately. The tone is a mix of barely disguised glee, concern trolling, and patronizing that one usually reserves for The Fallen. It comes across as false. It is transparently disingenuous, especially coming from writers who are mostly self-hating whites, or jews or minorities – looking at the angst of the white middle and working class through the lens of a revenge fantasy. Terrible.

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  50. @interesting
    "Do you suppose there is a black working class"

    of course there is, i have many friends of all colors that are in this same "group" with me.

    Uh, the reason why they don’t say black working class is because black people are assumed to be working class by default and white people are assumed to be middle class by default.

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  51. @Svigor

    With respect, fighting blacks, browns, etc. for government favors is a losing proposition. Whites must take matters into their own hands. Go for the throats of the ruling class.
     
    Solidarity along racial lines will do that. Class solidarity? WTF does that even mean?

    Look at the Jews, they stick together, thick as thieves. 40% of the Forbes 400.

    You need an organizing principle. Race is the most natural and healthy. Which is why it drives the elite completely ape.

    “Social class” does not exist in America. Only deluded lefties fantasize about imaginary class solidarity. Everyone is “bourgeois” in attitude. People with less money aspire to join the middle class and those with great wealth are just rich middle class.

    Working class Whites will never “join forces” with poor non-Whites. They just want to get more money and move away from them.

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    Working class Whites will never “join forces” with poor non-Whites. They just want to get more money and move away from them.

    Yep. The main problem with being poor is having to live near poor people.
  52. @The Alarmist

    "For ~>30 years I’ve worked in defense-contracting."
     
    And there you have it. As we avoided Hurricane Matthew last week, we passed by a base I used to occasionally pull alert tours at that was also an air logistics center; the ALC side seems to have doubled in size, with lots of shiny, new defense contractor facilities ringing the base. Houses are going up in droves and start at $170k in what used to be a swamp.

    If I hadn't gone into banking, I might have looked wistfully at my life and wondered if I might have had it better staying connected to the DOD teat.

    I really feel sorry for entrepreneurial America, who must bear the burden of supporting the Banking-Defense-Legal-Medical complex that now devours the country and ships their livelihood abroad to squeeze away any hope of building the American Dream for themselves.

    BTW, if you are grossing $240k but have a net worth of only $900k, you need to get your priorities straight. What will you do if that pension disappears?

    If I hadn’t gone into banking, I might have looked wistfully at my life and wondered if I might have had it better staying connected to the DOD teat.

    One large northeast defense contractor has put bread on the table for four generations of my family. My 90-year old grandmother has been enjoying my grandfather’s pension for over 40 years!

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  53. @FX Enderby
    "Social class" does not exist in America. Only deluded lefties fantasize about imaginary class solidarity. Everyone is "bourgeois" in attitude. People with less money aspire to join the middle class and those with great wealth are just rich middle class.

    Working class Whites will never "join forces" with poor non-Whites. They just want to get more money and move away from them.

    Working class Whites will never “join forces” with poor non-Whites. They just want to get more money and move away from them.

    Yep. The main problem with being poor is having to live near poor people.

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  54. @Jeff77450
    I know the article that he's referring to. Just google "National Review white communities need die rustbelt" and you'll find it.

    Everyone except Jonah Goldberg has quoted the author out-of-context. By "white communities need to die" he was referring to all the white communities in the "rustbelt" & Appalachia where the jobs are gone and aren't coming back but everyone is "hanging around" waiting for them to return.

    They need to "vote with their feet" and go to where the jobs are. Easier said than done, I know, but look at all the illegals from Mexico & Central America who travel thousands of miles and the obstacles that they face. They're at risk from criminals, from the law and there's the language-barrier. An American doesn't face any of that.

    (White)Americans don’t like living 15 to an apartment and taking every last govt subsidized dollar they can get, and they don’t have a “stick together against all odds” minority immigrant community of the sort that would support or condone such a lifestyle. As white Americans they still consider themselves a majority population, and like all majority populations they(ie: their women) value brutal individual social competition over weasely ethnic solidarity.

    They also don’t share citizenship with a dirt cheap foreign country they can save up and retire/escape to.

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  55. Jeff77450 says:
    @The Alarmist

    "For ~>30 years I’ve worked in defense-contracting."
     
    And there you have it. As we avoided Hurricane Matthew last week, we passed by a base I used to occasionally pull alert tours at that was also an air logistics center; the ALC side seems to have doubled in size, with lots of shiny, new defense contractor facilities ringing the base. Houses are going up in droves and start at $170k in what used to be a swamp.

    If I hadn't gone into banking, I might have looked wistfully at my life and wondered if I might have had it better staying connected to the DOD teat.

    I really feel sorry for entrepreneurial America, who must bear the burden of supporting the Banking-Defense-Legal-Medical complex that now devours the country and ships their livelihood abroad to squeeze away any hope of building the American Dream for themselves.

    BTW, if you are grossing $240k but have a net worth of only $900k, you need to get your priorities straight. What will you do if that pension disappears?

    The ALC increasing in size may be related to the 1995 BRACC which voted to close two ALCs, one in California and one in Texas. The facilities and other support for the various aircraft at those two ALCs had to be transferred elsewhere.

    Financially, things didn’t come together for my wife & I really until just last year. We just got married six years ago and she’s had two periods of unemployment during that time totaling 2.5 years. My two sons graduating in 2012 and getting off my dime provided some relief. When her son graduates this December things will improve even more. There is no such thing as 100% guaranteed financial security, for anyone, but as a simple statement of fact we’re “ahead of the curve” as compared to most people. I think that I read the factoid somewhere that excluding the equity in their home, an important caveat, the average net-worth of Americans by age 62 is something like $10K. I’m 57.

    National Defense is one of ~20 functions assigned to the federal government by the Constitution and I have no apologies to make for doing honest work in that area (or for serving in the one war that I was invited to). Without a doubt there is tremendous waste in government and that will never change because it doesn’t operate according to the market-forces of supply & demand, doesn’t need to make a profit and doesn’t face competition. The waste is “baked in.” The only way to reduce government waste is by making government smaller which I’m all for. I want all levels of government–federal, state and local–to be just as small, lean, unintrusive and fiscally responsible as possible. It’s not often that I agree with Bill Clinton but a few years ago he said something that hit the nail on the head. He said, “America was created in response to oppressive government and ever since then we’ve been having this national debate about how much government do we want. We don’t want too much government—but we do want enough.”

    About 300 years ago Thomas Hobbs said that life without government would be solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short and he was exactly right. Government is inefficient & wasteful but we absolutely have to have it. The alternative is depicted in movies like _The Postman_ and _The Road_.

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  56. you get married….. how horrible a fate worse than dying in Afghanistan i gather

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  57. @Svigor

    With respect, fighting blacks, browns, etc. for government favors is a losing proposition. Whites must take matters into their own hands. Go for the throats of the ruling class.
     
    Solidarity along racial lines will do that. Class solidarity? WTF does that even mean?

    Look at the Jews, they stick together, thick as thieves. 40% of the Forbes 400.

    You need an organizing principle. Race is the most natural and healthy. Which is why it drives the elite completely ape.

    Solidarity along racial lines will do that. Class solidarity? WTF does that even mean?

    Look it up. Learn something you don’t already know.

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  58. @Jeff77450
    I'm so weary of articles with the theme, "America (still) has poor people and no seems to know quite what to do about it." The rules for escaping poverty in the U.S. have been known for decades: complete high school; have no children out-of-wedlock; don't engage in substance-abuse; don't fall into the welfare-trap, work at *something* no matter how little it pays in the beginning. A high school diploma isn't all the education/skill-training that a person needs but it is the "springboard" to bigger-and-better things like two- and four-year colleges, trade-schools & apprenticeships and enlistment in the armed forces (which for me was the springboard to college).

    My parents and their twelve siblings, may they all rest in peace, were born & raised in truly horrific poverty in the 1920s, '30s and '40s. They lived in wooden shacks with no electricity, plumbing or insulation. They hauled water from a stream. Sometimes the water would be too dirty to use as-is. When that happened they'd poor the water into a barrel and dump wood-ash on top of it. As the ash settled to the bottom it pulled down the worst of the particulate-matter and they could skim water off the top and boil it. One Winter things were so bad that my father's family lived in a man's barn. For all intents & purposes there was no government assistance. Then, in the early 1940s a "free lunch" program was started at their one-room schoolhouse. My (maternal) grandfather refused to allow his children to participate; they brought something from home.

    They promptly left home just as soon as they graduated from high school (or in a couple of cases without having graduated); no prolonged adolescence playing video-games in their parents' basement for them. If they didn't work they didn't eat. ("Life is a classroom and hunger is the teacher." --source unknown)

    They didn't have children out-of-wedlock. My mother said that if any boy had gotten a girl pregnant that he would've been literally house-whipped out of town. In fact, she said, he might have been killed. Today, ~41% of all children in the U.S. are born out-of-wedlock. If girls/women would commit to not having a child with a man that they aren't married to a *huge* amount of poverty (and crime) would be eliminated. Unfortunately, most people give about as much thought to the reproductive-act and its consequences as they do their next bowel-movement. No one is forcing them to do that; people make these choices.

    Growing up my wife & I weren't poor but we were working-class & low-income. Serving three years in the army, '76-'79, enabled me to go to college. My wife & I have worked, practiced thrift, saved and put three boys through college. (We've also done stupid stuff, made bad investments, blown money, etc.) I have retired from one career and am fully-vested & eligible to retire from another, each of which comes with a modest pension. This year we'll gross ~$240K and our net-worth is ~$900K. The American Dream is still out there, you just have to make the right choices early in life and work-work-work (and save-save-save).

    You make some fair points. Real, lasting success only ever comes to those who work hard and don’t do too much stupid shit. As Erik Novak has said, things have really changed over the last 30 years, whereby it is now almost impossible for a family to have a middle class lifestyle on one salary (unless that person is highly educated or a very successful entrepreneur). The days of Dad working 40 hrs a week at the local factory and coming home to Suzy homemaker and taking the family camping in New Hampshire for two weeks every summer are over, but they only lasted for about 3 decades anyway.

    The real problem is people’s failure to understand that progress has never been and will never be linear. The Baby Boomer generation was raised in that whitebread world, and assumed that things would only be better for their children.

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  59. Jeff77450 says:
    @Alfred1860
    You make some fair points. Real, lasting success only ever comes to those who work hard and don't do too much stupid shit. As Erik Novak has said, things have really changed over the last 30 years, whereby it is now almost impossible for a family to have a middle class lifestyle on one salary (unless that person is highly educated or a very successful entrepreneur). The days of Dad working 40 hrs a week at the local factory and coming home to Suzy homemaker and taking the family camping in New Hampshire for two weeks every summer are over, but they only lasted for about 3 decades anyway.

    The real problem is people's failure to understand that progress has never been and will never be linear. The Baby Boomer generation was raised in that whitebread world, and assumed that things would only be better for their children.

    Agreed and thank you for commenting.

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  60. @JimboHarambe
    He's writing in the NYSlimes, so it's impressive that he didn't trash all poor whites as ignorant racist losers who deserve to die off and be replaced by the more vibrant. He seems to actually like some of the poor whites he's known.

    Well la di da da!

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  61. namer says: • Website
    @WorkingClass
    Thanks interesting. But it was meant to be a rhetorical question. My point is always the same. Black and white working class have much more in common with each other than either has in common with the ruling class.

    Your perspective is refreshing. Might I suggest you take a look at the World Socialist Website? Its outlook is anti-PC and anti-racialist. Class, not race, is the fundamental category for its analysis. BTW it’s not sloganeering, it’s thoughtful analysis. http://www.wsws.org

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  62. OutWest says:
    @WorkingClass

    This is a story that’s really about social class,” I’ll say. But that sense of community seems no longer available to my white students. As one explained in response: “You’re supposed to be able to make yourself rich, and if you can’t, it’s your own fault.”
     
    The author is correct. It's about class. Making it about race plays into the hands of the .01%. We hear a lot about the white working class these days. Do you suppose there is a black working class. If so would the two groups have common ground?

    I almost didn't read it. I hate the NYT. I guess it's true even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then.

    Is there a “working class” extant as you use the term? I come from a very working class background. But all I then knew is now brownfields. It went the way of family farms from the agricultural age. While I grieve for the loss –it was a good place to grow up- it has much in common with the agricultural age. At the end of the nineteenth century the excess labor displaced by farm mechanization migrated to the new industrial factories. I was a bit surprised to learn from an excellent study of my home town that the factories –other than transportation- almost all dated back to the 1800s. They were contaminated with asbestos and silicates. Newer factories elsewhere (like Germany and Japan) were much more efficient. Fewer employees.

    I’m with you as to the problem. But it’s too late to go home to the atypical 1960s. We need to invent a new economy that works for all of us.

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  63. Bill says:
    @Jason Liu
    A short article about nothing.

    Summary: There are poor white people.

    Ok, next.

    A short article about nothing.

    Hector is very happy to report that white journalism students from Eastern Oregon have fully taken on board that being a wife and mother is some kind of horror show and that they are supposed to express hatred for the place they and their ancestors call home. But, hey, at least he pretends to be broken up about it. You know, in between enclosing the word “white” in scare quotes. Maybe Hector will tell us, in his next article, what word we are permitted to use to refer to ourselves.

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  64. biz says:
    @Rehmat
    Let the readers decide who is the clown - the one who pulled your dirty pants or the one who call names to the one who exposed your racism.

    My blog is doing very well. Why you think some brothers of yours at 'Jewish hairy cat" called my mother being Jewish - while another moron declared: "Rehmat has converted to Judaism, so you should too."

    It's the Zionist Jews who the most racist pigs in the whole world. Not only they hate Muslims, Christians, Gandhi - they have over 7,000 S.H.I.T. Jews under their belt.

    In June 2010, over 100,000 Orthodox Israeli Jews gathered in Jerusalem to show the ugly side of Talmud – not to show their usual hatred toward Jesus, his mother Mary and Christians at large, but racism against their fellow non-European Israeli Jew citizens. These fanatic Zionist Jews were showing their religious contempt for the rest of humanity on Israel’s Supreme Court ruling – forcing the European and Arab Jewish girls to study together at a religious girl school.

    The protesters told Benjamin Netanyahu and its Orthodox parties in the government that parents of European (Ashkenazi) don’t want their ‘White daughters’ to study with Arab (Sephardim) ‘brown girls’ at the girls’ school in the West Bank’s Jewish settlement of Emanuel (perhaps named after Obama’s White House Chief of Staff).

    In 2007, Israel daily Ynet, exposed similar Jewish racism by both Ashkenazi and Sephardim communities against Ethiopian and other Black Jewish communities in Israel....

    https://rehmat1.com/2010/06/18/jewish-racism-against-jews-in-israel/

    Oh my god you are so Jewish

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