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Readers of The Right Stuff long knew that founder “Mike Enoch” had two main interests: technology and white supremacy. Posts on the neo-Nazi site have included discussion of “a new blogging platform built on node.js,” while other less techie content has alluded to the “chimpout” in Ferguson, putting Jews in ovens, and Trump’s “top-tier troll” of Jews on Holocaust Remembrance Day.

In January, Enoch was outed as Mike Peinovich, a Manhattan-based software engineer. His unmasking highlighted a lingering question about the racist far-right movement that rose to prominence with Donald Trump’s election: What support might the so-called alt-right have among techies?

Ever since I began investigating the extremist groups lining up behind Trump last spring, several of their leaders have made big claims to me about an alt-right following in Silicon Valley and across the broader tech industry. “The average alt-right-ist is probably a 28-year-old tech-savvy guy working in IT,” white nationalist Richard Spencer insisted when I interviewed him a few weeks before the election. “I have seen so many people like that.” Andrew Anglin, the publisher of the neo-Nazi Daily Stormer, told me he gets donations from Silicon Valley, and that Santa Clara County, home to Apple and Intel, is his site’s largest traffic source. Chuck Johnson, the publisher of the conspiracy-mongering site Got News, said he gets lots of page views from the San Francisco Bay Area.

After Peinovich was outed, he also insisted to me that many techies secretly identify with the alt-right, which he attributed to a backlash against the “corporate feminist and diversity agenda” of tech companies. “The fact that speaking up about this virtually guarantees career and social suicide, as in my case, shows why so many white males in tech would be attracted to the alt-right.”

 
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  2. I am told there will be an Alt-Tech conference later on in the year, possibly in Texas …

    Those of you who are Alt-Right, Alt-Light, etc, will know where to look for the announcements.

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  3. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I have never worked in Silicon Valley, but with my major I could easily have ended up working there. I frequently comment on iSteve. I am not sure how representative I am.

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  4. El Dato says:

    Alt-Right, White Nationalism, Nazis, Klanners, and Oldthinkers/Deplorables – it is all the same.

    They got “turned”:

    Before Gamergate, Larry, the Google software engineer, was “a standard Democrat straight-voting person,” as he puts it. But reading about the movement in the tech press and on pro-Gamergate websites “did highlight some of the inconsistencies and hypocrisies with positions on the left,” he says. A comment in a Gamergate thread led Larry to the Unz Review, a website run by Palo Alto tech entrepreneur and former GOP gubernatorial candidate Ron Unz. There, Larry says he was exposed to treatises on “human biological diversity” expounding on the supposed cognitive differences between intellectually superior and inferior races.

    The value of diversity per-se is Clear And Assumed (however, efforts at improvement do not yield concomitant results according to the latest news):

    In 2014, Jesse Jackson began pushing Silicon Valley tech companies to disclose statistics about the racial and gender composition of their workforces. By the following summer, he had pressured Google, Facebook, Apple, and many other major tech companies to reveal their paucity of black, Hispanic, and female employees and commit to making improvements. But when he appeared on Reddit that summer to answer questions about diversity in tech, he faced a virulent backlash. By far the most up-voted question began, “You are an immoral, hate-filled race baiter that has figured out how to manipulate the political system for your own gain.”

    The comment came from an anonymous account that was later deleted; few people in Silicon Valley are willing to question the value of diversity out in the open. “If there was [opposition to diversity policy], it’s probably something someone says to themselves in the car on the way home or on the bus on the way back to San Francisco,” says Reed Galen, a GOP consultant who advises tech companies and has been trolled online by the alt-right over his criticism of Trump.

    We also have secret evil signs and frog worship:

    Picking fights online may have helped Torba’s startup Gab, a social-media network that quickly positioned itself as a haven for alt-right-ers banned from Twitter. Gab’s frog logo is reminiscent of the alt-right mascot Pepe the Frog, and Torba has posted on Gab what could be construed as riffs on the Pepe hand signal and the alt-right’s red-pill meme. (A Gab spokesman said Torba does not identify as part of the alt-right.) Trump’s victory seemed to encourage other alt-techies to speak up, albeit pseudonymously.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    The left created a vacuum of Evil White Men.

    Nature, in her wisdom, rushed to fill it.

    Now we have the God-Emperor, and long may He reign.

    Praise be to Kek and His prophet Pepe (PBUH).
    , @Expletive Deleted
    I don't think the GoodThinkers of the MSM will ever get to grips with the role of GamerGate in this.
    It's yuuuge. They see a petty, irrelevant turf war between invisible basement-haunting neckbeards, and the ubiquitous bluehairs and professional screechers trying to steal or destroy the only thing they ever had.
    Call a even a tame dog a Nazi for long enough, and eventually he'll heil ya.
    The bluehairs have been provided with the Sailerian Megaphone, expensive tastes, and no brains; the incels go unheard/no-platformed, and possess as-yet-unquantified reserves of Weaponized Autism and spare, ruminative, friendless time. The outcome cannot be in doubt.

    How's your freak flag flying, Shia?

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  5. Altai says:

    Josh Harkinson

    Remember when journalists used to be physically indistinguishable from the rest of the population?

    Is there something in the water at these places that causes such epidemics of early hair loss?

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    • Replies: @bobbybobbob
    I would love to see a study of endocrine markers broken down by political affiliation. The "hysterical" left usually show signs of cortisol and estrogen dominance. Hair loss is a strong indicator. To be fair you do also see similar manifestations on much of the vitriolic right.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Remember when journalists used to be physically indistinguishable from the rest of the population?
     
    The male population, that is.

    They were called "reporters" then. Mothers warned their daughters to steer clear of them. Now the daughters and granddaughters have become the ones to steer clear of!
    , @Anon
    Reporters used to be tougher specimens. They got a lot of sunshine and exercise running from one breaking story to another, and they hung out with people who had deal with society's messes, such as cops and firemen. The criminal beat was where a lot of reporters did their apprenticeship, and it made them cynical. They heard a lot of stories from the people at the front lines of society, and back then reporters were not people who thought utopia could be achieved through government legislation. They knew human nature would always screw things up

    Nowadays, reporters are etiolated, fainting-couch neurotics whose lives have been spent in private schools and their mother's basement. They have very little experience of reality and want even less. Reality is too upsetting for them, which is why they're determined to legislate it into perfection. They know nothing of human nature, and they only grow angry when they learn truth about it.
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  6. JackOH says:

    Never heard of Mike Enoch, but I’m guessing some of the more insensate wrist-flapping over people who fall into the alt-Right camp is sort of contextual, an inability to recognize the figure-ground political Gestalt we live in. We’re living inside the radical dressed up as normal.

    Our corporate masters have successfully gamed government-permitted or -mandated “social justice” (unrestricted immigration, White female and Black hiring mandates, etc.) as cover for mass layoffs, cost-cutting, union-busting, and so on. There’s a fair chance even the dullest White guy critic who only wants a steady job can be made to appear as a recrudescent bag of sexist, racist turds. That gamed “social justice” makes for very tough retail politics, as we regularly read on these pages.

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    "Our corporate masters have successfully gamed government-permitted or -mandated “social justice” (unrestricted immigration, White female and Black hiring mandates, etc.) as cover for mass layoffs, cost-cutting, union-busting, and so on."

    Exactly!! I have a nephew who works in for a company in Mountain View. Because he was a Navy Nuclear Engineer he is on a fast track and has been told he is immune to affirmative action anti White racism.

    He is a far right Liberterian I can't spell it. He is the epitome of what liberals hate. He is also totally White Nationalist and pro White. We get together quietly in family gatherings and whisper. The 3 half White half Asian nephews of my son in law are also far right and very pro White. Their last names are Scots and they look much more White than they do Asian.

    They all went to Santa Clara university. They had to sit through mandatory hate Whitey classes. Because of their last names and appearance they were insulted by the affirmative action black witches who taught them.

    But basically I think the tech industry is a lost cause because the White men are so overwhelmed by non Whites, immigrants and the endless anti White coercion by government and government and foundation funded race hustlers.
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  7. Renoman says:

    I think everyone who holds a real job leans in some way to the alt right. By real job I mean a non government job, this includes teachers, a lot of union types, sewed up no bid private sector company’s that only the Gov’t really hires etc. In the real World smart people very much resent people getting a job or a cheque because of their skin color, have very little time for the LGBTQ non sense and mostly want the gov’t to pave the roads, run the schools and leave them alone. You can’t trust them to accomplish the simplest things with any efficiency, they waste trillions and are sucking down that rich man’s giss by the bucket full. Techies are mostly hard working folks and those are the people most pissed / embarrased by the antics of the Left, except for the people who lost their jobs when the Gov’t gave the Country away for a song to foreign owners, they are the most upset.

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    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    Believe me, a lot of government workers are also secretly alt right. I write this after several years of consulting to the feds in DC and fifteen years working in state government. The pressure to conform to SJW PC in government workplaces is even greater than in the private workplace, although civil service laws provide some countervailing protection.

    Despite this, aware government workers soon realize the grotesque waste, uselessness and even social and economic destruction associated with all too many government activities. They also, gradually realize the inequities imposed by affirmative action. In this regard it's worth remembering that currently government jobs are the mainstay of the Negro middle class in this country.

    These same aware workers soon realize that there is actually a growing synergy between government ineptitude and affirmative action. Each feeds on the other to reduce the quality of life for productive and law-abiding persons throughout the country. As dangerous as are such discussions in the government workplace, many of those I've worked with these past two years openly voiced their support for Trump in workplace settings. (I could do so even more openly than some because I was vested and had other sources of post-retirement income.) When you get a group of government workers who are comfortable with one another socializing outside the workplace alt right views are even more openly and forcefully expressed.

    I do not think the establishment has any idea of the dangers they risk of bringing the whole system crashing down if they continue repressing the hopes and aspirations of these people and others like them. The gimmie and useless bureaucrat populatioins will die off from dysfunction, violence, helplessness, and starvation if they are ignored. People of the alt right will survive and eventually destroy their tormentors.

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  8. “The fact that speaking up about this virtually guarantees career and social suicide, as in my case, shows why so many white males in tech would be attracted to the alt-right.”

    hell, almost as bad as talking about a certain race :/

    this is how PC and SJW push others into a corner, and they will lash out.

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  9. Agent76 says:

    September 21, 2016 Russia Govt. Report: Snowden, Greenwald are CIA frauds

    [ Editor’s note: This is absolutely dynamite material, it blows to smithereens any notion that Edward Snowden is anything other than a fraud, a CIA disinfo op. So now we can place him alongside Julian Assange and Wikileaks in the rogue’s gallery of professional liars. This report also exposes several other media outlets as being under CIA control, something we have known for some time… Ian ]

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

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    > Snowden, Greenwald are CIA frauds

    How does that sound likely at all? Unless CIA wants to get up the NSA's posterior.

    Maybe George Lucas is now writing at Veterans Today?
    , @Mr. Anon

    September 21, 2016 Russia Govt. Report: Snowden, Greenwald are CIA frauds
     
    Of course, that narrative might be in the interest of US intelligence agencies. It might be exactly what they want you to believe, mightn't it?
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    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/530509348628205568/0aek4Hpe.jpeg

    Remember when journalists used to be physically indistinguishable from the rest of the population?

    Is there something in the water at these places that causes such epidemics of early hair loss?

    I would love to see a study of endocrine markers broken down by political affiliation. The “hysterical” left usually show signs of cortisol and estrogen dominance. Hair loss is a strong indicator. To be fair you do also see similar manifestations on much of the vitriolic right.

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  11. El Dato says:
    @Agent76
    September 21, 2016 Russia Govt. Report: Snowden, Greenwald are CIA frauds

    [ Editor’s note: This is absolutely dynamite material, it blows to smithereens any notion that Edward Snowden is anything other than a fraud, a CIA disinfo op. So now we can place him alongside Julian Assange and Wikileaks in the rogue’s gallery of professional liars. This report also exposes several other media outlets as being under CIA control, something we have known for some time… Ian ]

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

    > Snowden, Greenwald are CIA frauds

    How does that sound likely at all? Unless CIA wants to get up the NSA’s posterior.

    Maybe George Lucas is now writing at Veterans Today?

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  12. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “The fact that speaking up about this virtually guarantees career and social suicide,

    Perhaps there’s a connection here. People living under the boot of intimidation and censorship resent it and start finding ways to protest. It’s the new samizdat. I hope Trump dries up the industry’s access to imported foreign slaves and thus force them to value the pool of American talent more highly than they do.

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    Pretty much. The Russians were masters of finding oblique, abstract ways to criticize Communism. Americans have Pepe the Frog and bizarre Twitter accounts (kantbot2000 anyone?).
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  13. SFG says:
    @anonymous

    “The fact that speaking up about this virtually guarantees career and social suicide,
     
    Perhaps there's a connection here. People living under the boot of intimidation and censorship resent it and start finding ways to protest. It's the new samizdat. I hope Trump dries up the industry's access to imported foreign slaves and thus force them to value the pool of American talent more highly than they do.

    Pretty much. The Russians were masters of finding oblique, abstract ways to criticize Communism. Americans have Pepe the Frog and bizarre Twitter accounts (kantbot2000 anyone?).

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  14. As for me, I fall in the Ctrl-Alt-Del camp.

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    Personally, I thought Ctrl-Alt-Revolt was better.
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  15. Mr. Anon says:
    @Agent76
    September 21, 2016 Russia Govt. Report: Snowden, Greenwald are CIA frauds

    [ Editor’s note: This is absolutely dynamite material, it blows to smithereens any notion that Edward Snowden is anything other than a fraud, a CIA disinfo op. So now we can place him alongside Julian Assange and Wikileaks in the rogue’s gallery of professional liars. This report also exposes several other media outlets as being under CIA control, something we have known for some time… Ian ]

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/21/russia-govt-report-snowden-greenwald-are-cia-frauds/

    September 21, 2016 Russia Govt. Report: Snowden, Greenwald are CIA frauds

    Of course, that narrative might be in the interest of US intelligence agencies. It might be exactly what they want you to believe, mightn’t it?

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  16. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Extremist

    These mass-produced charlatans for hire know that projective charges are a great tool of mystification.

    They Would never have a job, in a non-decadent state.

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  17. Icy Blast says:

    How very true! I lived in Santa Clara County for several years and I can attest that this left-wing author is correct in his essential point.

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  18. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Not really. But you do exist, and people should know it.

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  19. Weaponized autism will save the white race.

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    • Replies: @FKA Max
    March 2016

    AIDS Skrillex ft. Safe Space Sally - White Male Privilege

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwywPGAZ43Q

    April 2016

    Addicted to Trump! Very High Energy!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INh6k5LW9U4

    November 2016

    In memory of Meme War I #MAGA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZclPhxI91Y

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    #FreeKekistan: An Ethnic Kekistani Speaks

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv2hKIoi9CE
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  20. BenKenobi says:
    @El Dato
    Alt-Right, White Nationalism, Nazis, Klanners, and Oldthinkers/Deplorables - it is all the same.

    They got "turned":

    Before Gamergate, Larry, the Google software engineer, was "a standard Democrat straight-voting person," as he puts it. But reading about the movement in the tech press and on pro-Gamergate websites "did highlight some of the inconsistencies and hypocrisies with positions on the left," he says. A comment in a Gamergate thread led Larry to the Unz Review, a website run by Palo Alto tech entrepreneur and former GOP gubernatorial candidate Ron Unz. There, Larry says he was exposed to treatises on "human biological diversity" expounding on the supposed cognitive differences between intellectually superior and inferior races.

     

    The value of diversity per-se is Clear And Assumed (however, efforts at improvement do not yield concomitant results according to the latest news):

    In 2014, Jesse Jackson began pushing Silicon Valley tech companies to disclose statistics about the racial and gender composition of their workforces. By the following summer, he had pressured Google, Facebook, Apple, and many other major tech companies to reveal their paucity of black, Hispanic, and female employees and commit to making improvements. But when he appeared on Reddit that summer to answer questions about diversity in tech, he faced a virulent backlash. By far the most up-voted question began, "You are an immoral, hate-filled race baiter that has figured out how to manipulate the political system for your own gain."

    The comment came from an anonymous account that was later deleted; few people in Silicon Valley are willing to question the value of diversity out in the open. "If there was [opposition to diversity policy], it's probably something someone says to themselves in the car on the way home or on the bus on the way back to San Francisco," says Reed Galen, a GOP consultant who advises tech companies and has been trolled online by the alt-right over his criticism of Trump.
     
    We also have secret evil signs and frog worship:

    Picking fights online may have helped Torba's startup Gab, a social-media network that quickly positioned itself as a haven for alt-right-ers banned from Twitter. Gab's frog logo is reminiscent of the alt-right mascot Pepe the Frog, and Torba has posted on Gab what could be construed as riffs on the Pepe hand signal and the alt-right's red-pill meme. (A Gab spokesman said Torba does not identify as part of the alt-right.) Trump's victory seemed to encourage other alt-techies to speak up, albeit pseudonymously.
     

    The left created a vacuum of Evil White Men.

    Nature, in her wisdom, rushed to fill it.

    Now we have the God-Emperor, and long may He reign.

    Praise be to Kek and His prophet Pepe (PBUH).

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  21. FKA Max says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Weaponized autism will save the white race.

    March 2016

    AIDS Skrillex ft. Safe Space Sally – White Male Privilege

    April 2016

    Addicted to Trump! Very High Energy!

    November 2016

    In memory of Meme War I #MAGA

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    #FreeKekistan: An Ethnic Kekistani Speaks

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv2hKIoi9CE

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    It’s time to embrace Memetic warfare
    Jeff Giesea page 68
    https://www.psywar.org/psywar/reproductions/Defence_Strategic_Communications_Issue_1.pdf

    But two years ago, Giesea found himself “bored being nice to people all the time,” said. “I felt like I wanted to do something more substantial and I felt like Western civilization was in a fragile place.”

    Around that time, Giesea met over Twitter Chuck Johnson, the notorious troll and journalist who has been in the news recently for his close friendship with Malik Obama, the president’s Trump-loving half brother. In an article titled “It’s Time to Embrace Memetic Warfare” published in the official journal of the NATO Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence, Giesea described “carousing” “over beers” with Johnson, while plotting how to troll ISIS.

    When I met Chuck I wondered why we weren’t weaponizing people like him,” Giesea said. “He led me on this intellectual journey.”

    That journey led to Giesea to this realization:

    Warfare through trolling and memes is a necessary, inexpensive, and easy way to help destroy the appeal and morale of our common enemies.Trolling, it might be said, is the social media equivalent of guerrilla warfare, and memes are its currency of propaganda.

    And in the same article, Giesea noticed that Trump supporters online were already practicing advanced meme warfare
     

    - https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/this-man-helped-build-the-trump-meme-army-and-now-he-wants-t?utm_term=.rfPrMD9Ry#.em0gm4BPx
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  22. I dont want to help other people at my expense.

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  23. @Altai
    Josh Harkinson
    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/530509348628205568/0aek4Hpe.jpeg

    Remember when journalists used to be physically indistinguishable from the rest of the population?

    Is there something in the water at these places that causes such epidemics of early hair loss?

    Remember when journalists used to be physically indistinguishable from the rest of the population?

    The male population, that is.

    They were called “reporters” then. Mothers warned their daughters to steer clear of them. Now the daughters and granddaughters have become the ones to steer clear of!

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  24. Wally says: • Website

    If you start with false premises, everything you subsequently extrapolate from those premises will likewise carry along the original error and thus exhibit error within themselves, aka: garbage in, garbage out.

    There were the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there were the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claims of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    Why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869?

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  25. Alden says:
    @JackOH
    Never heard of Mike Enoch, but I'm guessing some of the more insensate wrist-flapping over people who fall into the alt-Right camp is sort of contextual, an inability to recognize the figure-ground political Gestalt we live in. We're living inside the radical dressed up as normal.

    Our corporate masters have successfully gamed government-permitted or -mandated "social justice" (unrestricted immigration, White female and Black hiring mandates, etc.) as cover for mass layoffs, cost-cutting, union-busting, and so on. There's a fair chance even the dullest White guy critic who only wants a steady job can be made to appear as a recrudescent bag of sexist, racist turds. That gamed "social justice" makes for very tough retail politics, as we regularly read on these pages.

    “Our corporate masters have successfully gamed government-permitted or -mandated “social justice” (unrestricted immigration, White female and Black hiring mandates, etc.) as cover for mass layoffs, cost-cutting, union-busting, and so on.”

    Exactly!! I have a nephew who works in for a company in Mountain View. Because he was a Navy Nuclear Engineer he is on a fast track and has been told he is immune to affirmative action anti White racism.

    He is a far right Liberterian I can’t spell it. He is the epitome of what liberals hate. He is also totally White Nationalist and pro White. We get together quietly in family gatherings and whisper. The 3 half White half Asian nephews of my son in law are also far right and very pro White. Their last names are Scots and they look much more White than they do Asian.

    They all went to Santa Clara university. They had to sit through mandatory hate Whitey classes. Because of their last names and appearance they were insulted by the affirmative action black witches who taught them.

    But basically I think the tech industry is a lost cause because the White men are so overwhelmed by non Whites, immigrants and the endless anti White coercion by government and government and foundation funded race hustlers.

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    Alden, I looked at the complete Mother Jones article, which is fairly brief. I think I know a little about the techie personality, the political naivete and the big sacrifices made while young for the sake of learning. After I discounted the overly provocative phrasing by the writer, all I saw was talented White guys wanting a steady job, feeling unfairly threatened in those jobs by H-1B and affirmative action, and having no political recourse within the major parties.
    , @JackOH
    Alden, I ought to have added that a defense of H-1B and affirmative action as free markets in action is twaddle. Affirmative action is clearly non-market in nature, and H-1B has the effect of privatizing the profits gained by importing lower-paid, politically neutered workers while socializing the costs, such as unemployment comp, social "friction", and the like.
    , @Karl
    25 Alden > But basically I think the tech industry is a lost cause


    get back to me with that thought, when they can no longer scratch together $15 billion to buy out a few Unit 8200 vets.

    I blame Silicon Valley for introducing the English phrase "blind date" to meat-market bars in Netivot, about 35 minutes away from the Applied-Physics laboratories of Ben-Gurion University in Beer Sheva.
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  26. hyperbola says:

    The greater San Francisco area has a long history of such “thought”.

    Eugenics and the Nazis — the California connection

    http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/article/Eugenics-and-the-Nazis-the-California-2549771.php

    …. the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn’t originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little-known, role in the American eugenics movement’s campaign for ethnic cleansing.
    Eugenics was the pseudoscience aimed at “improving” the human race. In its extreme, racist form, this meant wiping away all human beings deemed “unfit,” preserving only those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. Elements of the philosophy were enshrined as national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions, enacted in 27 states. In 1909, California became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics practitioners coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in “colonies,” and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. Before World War II, nearly half of coercive sterilizations were done in California, and even after the war, the state accounted for a third of all such surgeries.
    California was considered an epicenter of the American eugenics movement. During the 20th century’s first decades, ….

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  27. @enemy of earth
    As for me, I fall in the Ctrl-Alt-Del camp.

    Personally, I thought Ctrl-Alt-Revolt was better.

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  28. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max
    March 2016

    AIDS Skrillex ft. Safe Space Sally - White Male Privilege

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwywPGAZ43Q

    April 2016

    Addicted to Trump! Very High Energy!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INh6k5LW9U4

    November 2016

    In memory of Meme War I #MAGA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZclPhxI91Y

    ----------------------------------------

    #FreeKekistan: An Ethnic Kekistani Speaks

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uv2hKIoi9CE

    It’s time to embrace Memetic warfare
    Jeff Giesea page 68
    https://www.psywar.org/psywar/reproductions/Defence_Strategic_Communications_Issue_1.pdf

    But two years ago, Giesea found himself “bored being nice to people all the time,” said. “I felt like I wanted to do something more substantial and I felt like Western civilization was in a fragile place.”

    Around that time, Giesea met over Twitter Chuck Johnson, the notorious troll and journalist who has been in the news recently for his close friendship with Malik Obama, the president’s Trump-loving half brother. In an article titled “It’s Time to Embrace Memetic Warfare” published in the official journal of the NATO Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence, Giesea described “carousing” “over beers” with Johnson, while plotting how to troll ISIS.

    When I met Chuck I wondered why we weren’t weaponizing people like him,” Giesea said. “He led me on this intellectual journey.”

    That journey led to Giesea to this realization:

    Warfare through trolling and memes is a necessary, inexpensive, and easy way to help destroy the appeal and morale of our common enemies.Trolling, it might be said, is the social media equivalent of guerrilla warfare, and memes are its currency of propaganda.

    And in the same article, Giesea noticed that Trump supporters online were already practicing advanced meme warfare

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/this-man-helped-build-the-trump-meme-army-and-now-he-wants-t?utm_term=.rfPrMD9Ry#.em0gm4BPx

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    I HAVE AWOKEN: YouTube Stars @JonTronShow & @ChrisRGun Join @PewDiePie In Coming Out Publicly As Redpilled As F**k

    Mar 14, 2017 by GotNews

    Chris Ray Gun, Jon Tron, PewDiePie: if you’re reading this, get in touch with us at mark@wesearchr.com. We have some wealthy and interesting people for you to meet who can help you achieve your goals and take down the media.

    YouTube stars Jon Jafari and Chris Maldonado, with 3 million and 300,000 subscribers respectively under the names Jon Tron Show and Chris Ray Gun, joined #1 YouTuber PewDiePie (with 54 million subscribers) in coming out as redpilled as f**k yesterday.

    Jafari extensively defended Iowa Republican congressman Steve King’s comments about “restor[ing] civilization with somebody else’s babies”
    [...]
    Jon Tron pointed out the huge difference between black and white crime rates, to which Chris said: can anyone disprove him?
     
    - http://gotnews.com/awoken-youtube-stars-jontronshow-chrisrgun-join-pewdiepie-coming-publicly-redpilled-fk/
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  29. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Altai
    Josh Harkinson
    https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/530509348628205568/0aek4Hpe.jpeg

    Remember when journalists used to be physically indistinguishable from the rest of the population?

    Is there something in the water at these places that causes such epidemics of early hair loss?

    Reporters used to be tougher specimens. They got a lot of sunshine and exercise running from one breaking story to another, and they hung out with people who had deal with society’s messes, such as cops and firemen. The criminal beat was where a lot of reporters did their apprenticeship, and it made them cynical. They heard a lot of stories from the people at the front lines of society, and back then reporters were not people who thought utopia could be achieved through government legislation. They knew human nature would always screw things up

    Nowadays, reporters are etiolated, fainting-couch neurotics whose lives have been spent in private schools and their mother’s basement. They have very little experience of reality and want even less. Reality is too upsetting for them, which is why they’re determined to legislate it into perfection. They know nothing of human nature, and they only grow angry when they learn truth about it.

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    Reporters used to work nights at police stations waiting for some crime worth a story. They used the public phones to phone in stories to rewrite men who wrote the story and rushed it to the printers. The crime stories would appear in the next day's paper. So they really learned what crime was all about, low life trash repeat offenders and how the crimes affected the victims and how hard police work was.

    Now they sit around waiting for press releases and AP stories. Then for the Sunday papers they write long op-eds blaming police and society and everything but the criminals for the crimes.

    I remember the 1979-80 layoffs in the tech industry. Suddenly the newspaper including the business section was full of stories about get a tech degree or certificate and you can always get a job. They are just propaganda.
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  30. JackOH says:
    @Alden
    "Our corporate masters have successfully gamed government-permitted or -mandated “social justice” (unrestricted immigration, White female and Black hiring mandates, etc.) as cover for mass layoffs, cost-cutting, union-busting, and so on."

    Exactly!! I have a nephew who works in for a company in Mountain View. Because he was a Navy Nuclear Engineer he is on a fast track and has been told he is immune to affirmative action anti White racism.

    He is a far right Liberterian I can't spell it. He is the epitome of what liberals hate. He is also totally White Nationalist and pro White. We get together quietly in family gatherings and whisper. The 3 half White half Asian nephews of my son in law are also far right and very pro White. Their last names are Scots and they look much more White than they do Asian.

    They all went to Santa Clara university. They had to sit through mandatory hate Whitey classes. Because of their last names and appearance they were insulted by the affirmative action black witches who taught them.

    But basically I think the tech industry is a lost cause because the White men are so overwhelmed by non Whites, immigrants and the endless anti White coercion by government and government and foundation funded race hustlers.

    Alden, I looked at the complete Mother Jones article, which is fairly brief. I think I know a little about the techie personality, the political naivete and the big sacrifices made while young for the sake of learning. After I discounted the overly provocative phrasing by the writer, all I saw was talented White guys wanting a steady job, feeling unfairly threatened in those jobs by H-1B and affirmative action, and having no political recourse within the major parties.

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  31. JackOH says:
    @Alden
    "Our corporate masters have successfully gamed government-permitted or -mandated “social justice” (unrestricted immigration, White female and Black hiring mandates, etc.) as cover for mass layoffs, cost-cutting, union-busting, and so on."

    Exactly!! I have a nephew who works in for a company in Mountain View. Because he was a Navy Nuclear Engineer he is on a fast track and has been told he is immune to affirmative action anti White racism.

    He is a far right Liberterian I can't spell it. He is the epitome of what liberals hate. He is also totally White Nationalist and pro White. We get together quietly in family gatherings and whisper. The 3 half White half Asian nephews of my son in law are also far right and very pro White. Their last names are Scots and they look much more White than they do Asian.

    They all went to Santa Clara university. They had to sit through mandatory hate Whitey classes. Because of their last names and appearance they were insulted by the affirmative action black witches who taught them.

    But basically I think the tech industry is a lost cause because the White men are so overwhelmed by non Whites, immigrants and the endless anti White coercion by government and government and foundation funded race hustlers.

    Alden, I ought to have added that a defense of H-1B and affirmative action as free markets in action is twaddle. Affirmative action is clearly non-market in nature, and H-1B has the effect of privatizing the profits gained by importing lower-paid, politically neutered workers while socializing the costs, such as unemployment comp, social “friction”, and the like.

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    Around 1979?80? there were mass layoffs of the White tech guys in Silicon Valley. A lot of them I went to college with and they were hired spring of their junior year. They invented everything and built the industry. Then they were laid off and never hired again. There are many shops and departments where everybody speaks Mandarin.

    I always felt that the big corporations had the influence to stop affirmative action or at least confine it to qualified blacks. But it was their thing from start to finish. Gloria Steinhem and the woman's movement was financed and advised and devised by Ford Rockefeller and other big foundations.

    My family will be ok as we have been a construction family since the Gold Rush. I've read articles that claim more qualified programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available. But every year people get computer degrees because they think its the path to a decent job
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  32. Karl says:
    @Alden
    "Our corporate masters have successfully gamed government-permitted or -mandated “social justice” (unrestricted immigration, White female and Black hiring mandates, etc.) as cover for mass layoffs, cost-cutting, union-busting, and so on."

    Exactly!! I have a nephew who works in for a company in Mountain View. Because he was a Navy Nuclear Engineer he is on a fast track and has been told he is immune to affirmative action anti White racism.

    He is a far right Liberterian I can't spell it. He is the epitome of what liberals hate. He is also totally White Nationalist and pro White. We get together quietly in family gatherings and whisper. The 3 half White half Asian nephews of my son in law are also far right and very pro White. Their last names are Scots and they look much more White than they do Asian.

    They all went to Santa Clara university. They had to sit through mandatory hate Whitey classes. Because of their last names and appearance they were insulted by the affirmative action black witches who taught them.

    But basically I think the tech industry is a lost cause because the White men are so overwhelmed by non Whites, immigrants and the endless anti White coercion by government and government and foundation funded race hustlers.

    25 Alden > But basically I think the tech industry is a lost cause

    get back to me with that thought, when they can no longer scratch together $15 billion to buy out a few Unit 8200 vets.

    I blame Silicon Valley for introducing the English phrase “blind date” to meat-market bars in Netivot, about 35 minutes away from the Applied-Physics laboratories of Ben-Gurion University in Beer Sheva.

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    "tech industry is a lost cause" I meant that the companies are rejecting Whites in favor of Asians and Indian HI B imports.
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  33. @El Dato
    Alt-Right, White Nationalism, Nazis, Klanners, and Oldthinkers/Deplorables - it is all the same.

    They got "turned":

    Before Gamergate, Larry, the Google software engineer, was "a standard Democrat straight-voting person," as he puts it. But reading about the movement in the tech press and on pro-Gamergate websites "did highlight some of the inconsistencies and hypocrisies with positions on the left," he says. A comment in a Gamergate thread led Larry to the Unz Review, a website run by Palo Alto tech entrepreneur and former GOP gubernatorial candidate Ron Unz. There, Larry says he was exposed to treatises on "human biological diversity" expounding on the supposed cognitive differences between intellectually superior and inferior races.

     

    The value of diversity per-se is Clear And Assumed (however, efforts at improvement do not yield concomitant results according to the latest news):

    In 2014, Jesse Jackson began pushing Silicon Valley tech companies to disclose statistics about the racial and gender composition of their workforces. By the following summer, he had pressured Google, Facebook, Apple, and many other major tech companies to reveal their paucity of black, Hispanic, and female employees and commit to making improvements. But when he appeared on Reddit that summer to answer questions about diversity in tech, he faced a virulent backlash. By far the most up-voted question began, "You are an immoral, hate-filled race baiter that has figured out how to manipulate the political system for your own gain."

    The comment came from an anonymous account that was later deleted; few people in Silicon Valley are willing to question the value of diversity out in the open. "If there was [opposition to diversity policy], it's probably something someone says to themselves in the car on the way home or on the bus on the way back to San Francisco," says Reed Galen, a GOP consultant who advises tech companies and has been trolled online by the alt-right over his criticism of Trump.
     
    We also have secret evil signs and frog worship:

    Picking fights online may have helped Torba's startup Gab, a social-media network that quickly positioned itself as a haven for alt-right-ers banned from Twitter. Gab's frog logo is reminiscent of the alt-right mascot Pepe the Frog, and Torba has posted on Gab what could be construed as riffs on the Pepe hand signal and the alt-right's red-pill meme. (A Gab spokesman said Torba does not identify as part of the alt-right.) Trump's victory seemed to encourage other alt-techies to speak up, albeit pseudonymously.
     

    I don’t think the GoodThinkers of the MSM will ever get to grips with the role of GamerGate in this.
    It’s yuuuge. They see a petty, irrelevant turf war between invisible basement-haunting neckbeards, and the ubiquitous bluehairs and professional screechers trying to steal or destroy the only thing they ever had.
    Call a even a tame dog a Nazi for long enough, and eventually he’ll heil ya.
    The bluehairs have been provided with the Sailerian Megaphone, expensive tastes, and no brains; the incels go unheard/no-platformed, and possess as-yet-unquantified reserves of Weaponized Autism and spare, ruminative, friendless time. The outcome cannot be in doubt.

    How’s your freak flag flying, Shia?

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    Its not entirely true, but largely true, that all I ever wanted was to play and make games in peace. My introduction to the Right came largely when my colleague - who was making a game with at the time - went pro-Gamersgate after SJW harassment.

    I've never moved left since.
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  34. @Expletive Deleted
    I don't think the GoodThinkers of the MSM will ever get to grips with the role of GamerGate in this.
    It's yuuuge. They see a petty, irrelevant turf war between invisible basement-haunting neckbeards, and the ubiquitous bluehairs and professional screechers trying to steal or destroy the only thing they ever had.
    Call a even a tame dog a Nazi for long enough, and eventually he'll heil ya.
    The bluehairs have been provided with the Sailerian Megaphone, expensive tastes, and no brains; the incels go unheard/no-platformed, and possess as-yet-unquantified reserves of Weaponized Autism and spare, ruminative, friendless time. The outcome cannot be in doubt.

    How's your freak flag flying, Shia?

    Its not entirely true, but largely true, that all I ever wanted was to play and make games in peace. My introduction to the Right came largely when my colleague – who was making a game with at the time – went pro-Gamersgate after SJW harassment.

    I’ve never moved left since.

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  35. If I had a dollar for all the variants I’ve read, down in the forums and boards, of “f@¢king gamergate man. all i wanted to do was play videogames and here we are digging up … ” (I think it was alleged satanism and routine murders among the elite or maybe, you know, that pizza thing).

    It ruined a lot of people’s happiness. And left them with a lot of spare time and a motive. As the late lamented Tay remarked, “Z– Q—- is a …”.
    You know the rest.
    Shadilay.

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  36. Alden says:
    @JackOH
    Alden, I ought to have added that a defense of H-1B and affirmative action as free markets in action is twaddle. Affirmative action is clearly non-market in nature, and H-1B has the effect of privatizing the profits gained by importing lower-paid, politically neutered workers while socializing the costs, such as unemployment comp, social "friction", and the like.

    Around 1979?80? there were mass layoffs of the White tech guys in Silicon Valley. A lot of them I went to college with and they were hired spring of their junior year. They invented everything and built the industry. Then they were laid off and never hired again. There are many shops and departments where everybody speaks Mandarin.

    I always felt that the big corporations had the influence to stop affirmative action or at least confine it to qualified blacks. But it was their thing from start to finish. Gloria Steinhem and the woman’s movement was financed and advised and devised by Ford Rockefeller and other big foundations.

    My family will be ok as we have been a construction family since the Gold Rush. I’ve read articles that claim more qualified programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available. But every year people get computer degrees because they think its the path to a decent job

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    "I always felt that the big corporations had the influence to stop affirmative action or at least confine it to qualified blacks. But it was their thing from start to finish."

    My semi-informed understanding is that big corporations did indeed resist affirmative action at first. There are a few nightmarish local stories of corporations with government contracts hiring, say, fifty Black guys to stand around idly with brooms solely to deflect EEOC scrutiny. One EEOC monitor supposedly used his position to solicit bribes and give jobs to cronies from his neighborhood and congregation.

    That changed when it sunk in with HR departments that White women were regarded as minorities. The pool of White women applicants was potentially much greater than that of Black males, "mommy-tracking" kept salary and promotion demands down, and racial friction was negated.

    I hesitate to draw too firm of a conclusion, but it looks to me as if Blacks, who'd spent decades promoting their grievances, have been royally had by the White women whose grievances were at most a bit murky in the 1960s, and the gamesmanship of our big corporations is what did it.
    , @Seamus Padraig

    I always felt that the big corporations had the influence to stop affirmative action or at least confine it to qualified blacks. But it was their thing from start to finish.
     
    Yup. As part of their globalization scheme, they had to shake their 'white supremacist' image. And, in addition to cheap labor, brain-draining away the better workers from foreign countries was a good way to make sure that foreign competitors would have a harder time keeping up. That's why Corporate America is so in love with 'diversity'.

    Gloria Steinhem and the woman’s movement was financed and advised and devised by Ford Rockefeller and other big foundations.
     
    And also partly by the CIA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem#CIA_ties

    I’ve read articles that claim more qualified programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available. But every year people get computer degrees because they think its the path to a decent job
     
    That was my story. I eventually left the field in frustration, once I realized it was no path to secure, permanent employment anymore.
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  37. Alden says:
    @Anon
    Reporters used to be tougher specimens. They got a lot of sunshine and exercise running from one breaking story to another, and they hung out with people who had deal with society's messes, such as cops and firemen. The criminal beat was where a lot of reporters did their apprenticeship, and it made them cynical. They heard a lot of stories from the people at the front lines of society, and back then reporters were not people who thought utopia could be achieved through government legislation. They knew human nature would always screw things up

    Nowadays, reporters are etiolated, fainting-couch neurotics whose lives have been spent in private schools and their mother's basement. They have very little experience of reality and want even less. Reality is too upsetting for them, which is why they're determined to legislate it into perfection. They know nothing of human nature, and they only grow angry when they learn truth about it.

    Reporters used to work nights at police stations waiting for some crime worth a story. They used the public phones to phone in stories to rewrite men who wrote the story and rushed it to the printers. The crime stories would appear in the next day’s paper. So they really learned what crime was all about, low life trash repeat offenders and how the crimes affected the victims and how hard police work was.

    Now they sit around waiting for press releases and AP stories. Then for the Sunday papers they write long op-eds blaming police and society and everything but the criminals for the crimes.

    I remember the 1979-80 layoffs in the tech industry. Suddenly the newspaper including the business section was full of stories about get a tech degree or certificate and you can always get a job. They are just propaganda.

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  38. FKA Max says:
    @FKA Max
    It’s time to embrace Memetic warfare
    Jeff Giesea page 68
    https://www.psywar.org/psywar/reproductions/Defence_Strategic_Communications_Issue_1.pdf

    But two years ago, Giesea found himself “bored being nice to people all the time,” said. “I felt like I wanted to do something more substantial and I felt like Western civilization was in a fragile place.”

    Around that time, Giesea met over Twitter Chuck Johnson, the notorious troll and journalist who has been in the news recently for his close friendship with Malik Obama, the president’s Trump-loving half brother. In an article titled “It’s Time to Embrace Memetic Warfare” published in the official journal of the NATO Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence, Giesea described “carousing” “over beers” with Johnson, while plotting how to troll ISIS.

    When I met Chuck I wondered why we weren’t weaponizing people like him,” Giesea said. “He led me on this intellectual journey.”

    That journey led to Giesea to this realization:

    Warfare through trolling and memes is a necessary, inexpensive, and easy way to help destroy the appeal and morale of our common enemies.Trolling, it might be said, is the social media equivalent of guerrilla warfare, and memes are its currency of propaganda.

    And in the same article, Giesea noticed that Trump supporters online were already practicing advanced meme warfare
     

    - https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/this-man-helped-build-the-trump-meme-army-and-now-he-wants-t?utm_term=.rfPrMD9Ry#.em0gm4BPx

    I HAVE AWOKEN: YouTube Stars @JonTronShow & @ChrisRGun Join @PewDiePie In Coming Out Publicly As Redpilled As F**k

    Mar 14, 2017 by GotNews

    Chris Ray Gun, Jon Tron, PewDiePie: if you’re reading this, get in touch with us at mark@wesearchr.com. We have some wealthy and interesting people for you to meet who can help you achieve your goals and take down the media.

    YouTube stars Jon Jafari and Chris Maldonado, with 3 million and 300,000 subscribers respectively under the names Jon Tron Show and Chris Ray Gun, joined #1 YouTuber PewDiePie (with 54 million subscribers) in coming out as redpilled as f**k yesterday.

    Jafari extensively defended Iowa Republican congressman Steve King’s comments about “restor[ing] civilization with somebody else’s babies”
    [...]
    Jon Tron pointed out the huge difference between black and white crime rates, to which Chris said: can anyone disprove him?

    http://gotnews.com/awoken-youtube-stars-jontronshow-chrisrgun-join-pewdiepie-coming-publicly-redpilled-fk/

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  39. JackOH says:
    @Alden
    Around 1979?80? there were mass layoffs of the White tech guys in Silicon Valley. A lot of them I went to college with and they were hired spring of their junior year. They invented everything and built the industry. Then they were laid off and never hired again. There are many shops and departments where everybody speaks Mandarin.

    I always felt that the big corporations had the influence to stop affirmative action or at least confine it to qualified blacks. But it was their thing from start to finish. Gloria Steinhem and the woman's movement was financed and advised and devised by Ford Rockefeller and other big foundations.

    My family will be ok as we have been a construction family since the Gold Rush. I've read articles that claim more qualified programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available. But every year people get computer degrees because they think its the path to a decent job

    “I always felt that the big corporations had the influence to stop affirmative action or at least confine it to qualified blacks. But it was their thing from start to finish.”

    My semi-informed understanding is that big corporations did indeed resist affirmative action at first. There are a few nightmarish local stories of corporations with government contracts hiring, say, fifty Black guys to stand around idly with brooms solely to deflect EEOC scrutiny. One EEOC monitor supposedly used his position to solicit bribes and give jobs to cronies from his neighborhood and congregation.

    That changed when it sunk in with HR departments that White women were regarded as minorities. The pool of White women applicants was potentially much greater than that of Black males, “mommy-tracking” kept salary and promotion demands down, and racial friction was negated.

    I hesitate to draw too firm of a conclusion, but it looks to me as if Blacks, who’d spent decades promoting their grievances, have been royally had by the White women whose grievances were at most a bit murky in the 1960s, and the gamesmanship of our big corporations is what did it.

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    White women have been the largest beneficiaries of affirmative action.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    Bravo for your brilliant historical analysis.

    I'd just add that upper middle class White women have been the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action. Most of the middle and working class women I know are working for about five bucks an hour (after day care expenses), in crappy jobs that they hate, in order to earn enough supplemental income to keep the family above water. In the old days they could choose to have stayed home while their husband made enough income to provide the family with a decent life. In the meantime the at-home wives kept a close watch on the neighborhood and social life. No fear of children playing in the streets then. No "Bowling Alone" then. Now the jobs these men once held have been taken by women in double income households that place them far above the ordinary middle class. Income inequality has increased to once unimaginable levels even within the middle income stratum of society and quality of life has been more than correspondingly diminished.

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  40. @JackOH
    "I always felt that the big corporations had the influence to stop affirmative action or at least confine it to qualified blacks. But it was their thing from start to finish."

    My semi-informed understanding is that big corporations did indeed resist affirmative action at first. There are a few nightmarish local stories of corporations with government contracts hiring, say, fifty Black guys to stand around idly with brooms solely to deflect EEOC scrutiny. One EEOC monitor supposedly used his position to solicit bribes and give jobs to cronies from his neighborhood and congregation.

    That changed when it sunk in with HR departments that White women were regarded as minorities. The pool of White women applicants was potentially much greater than that of Black males, "mommy-tracking" kept salary and promotion demands down, and racial friction was negated.

    I hesitate to draw too firm of a conclusion, but it looks to me as if Blacks, who'd spent decades promoting their grievances, have been royally had by the White women whose grievances were at most a bit murky in the 1960s, and the gamesmanship of our big corporations is what did it.

    White women have been the largest beneficiaries of affirmative action.

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    Well, that depends on how you define benefit.

    For example, if you define affordable family formation as a benefit, then I would suggest not.
    , @Maj. Kong
    Without the influence of white women, the spoils system would lose its political support. Witness the racial friction during the womens marches. Should the left manage to alienate white women, it will be a tremendous gain for the right.

    Not only would the right be able to take full advantage of white tribal voting, we could also brand ourselves as the "mens party" in the way that the left brands itself as the "womens party". (My theory is that only one side can claim a gender mantle at a time) In such a scenario, we could flip some nonwhite males with anti-feminist sentiments.
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  41. @Renoman
    I think everyone who holds a real job leans in some way to the alt right. By real job I mean a non government job, this includes teachers, a lot of union types, sewed up no bid private sector company's that only the Gov't really hires etc. In the real World smart people very much resent people getting a job or a cheque because of their skin color, have very little time for the LGBTQ non sense and mostly want the gov't to pave the roads, run the schools and leave them alone. You can't trust them to accomplish the simplest things with any efficiency, they waste trillions and are sucking down that rich man's giss by the bucket full. Techies are mostly hard working folks and those are the people most pissed / embarrased by the antics of the Left, except for the people who lost their jobs when the Gov't gave the Country away for a song to foreign owners, they are the most upset.

    Believe me, a lot of government workers are also secretly alt right. I write this after several years of consulting to the feds in DC and fifteen years working in state government. The pressure to conform to SJW PC in government workplaces is even greater than in the private workplace, although civil service laws provide some countervailing protection.

    Despite this, aware government workers soon realize the grotesque waste, uselessness and even social and economic destruction associated with all too many government activities. They also, gradually realize the inequities imposed by affirmative action. In this regard it’s worth remembering that currently government jobs are the mainstay of the Negro middle class in this country.

    These same aware workers soon realize that there is actually a growing synergy between government ineptitude and affirmative action. Each feeds on the other to reduce the quality of life for productive and law-abiding persons throughout the country. As dangerous as are such discussions in the government workplace, many of those I’ve worked with these past two years openly voiced their support for Trump in workplace settings. (I could do so even more openly than some because I was vested and had other sources of post-retirement income.) When you get a group of government workers who are comfortable with one another socializing outside the workplace alt right views are even more openly and forcefully expressed.

    I do not think the establishment has any idea of the dangers they risk of bringing the whole system crashing down if they continue repressing the hopes and aspirations of these people and others like them. The gimmie and useless bureaucrat populatioins will die off from dysfunction, violence, helplessness, and starvation if they are ignored. People of the alt right will survive and eventually destroy their tormentors.

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    Well said.
    , @Inque Yutani
    There's a lot of us alt right in aerospace. I suspect we just have the mindset amenable to designing stuff that helps kill people and break things, which hurts the fee fees of the gamma crowd. It's also someplace you get to work on things with bit more oomph that the next chat or photo sharing app. The lack of candy bowls and kindergarten slides replacing stairs probably scares away the virtue signalers as well.

    One plus here is that an H1B would never get the clearances required to do our jobs.

    , @Alden
    Where did you find White government workers? I haven't seen one in years.
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  42. @epochehusserl
    White women have been the largest beneficiaries of affirmative action.

    Well, that depends on how you define benefit.

    For example, if you define affordable family formation as a benefit, then I would suggest not.

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    White women havent cared about affordable family formation in quite awhile. They care about sticking it to their men and doling out goodies to the races.
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  43. eah says:

    extremist

    What exactly do you find “extremist” about whatever “movement” you’re talking about?

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  44. @JackOH
    "I always felt that the big corporations had the influence to stop affirmative action or at least confine it to qualified blacks. But it was their thing from start to finish."

    My semi-informed understanding is that big corporations did indeed resist affirmative action at first. There are a few nightmarish local stories of corporations with government contracts hiring, say, fifty Black guys to stand around idly with brooms solely to deflect EEOC scrutiny. One EEOC monitor supposedly used his position to solicit bribes and give jobs to cronies from his neighborhood and congregation.

    That changed when it sunk in with HR departments that White women were regarded as minorities. The pool of White women applicants was potentially much greater than that of Black males, "mommy-tracking" kept salary and promotion demands down, and racial friction was negated.

    I hesitate to draw too firm of a conclusion, but it looks to me as if Blacks, who'd spent decades promoting their grievances, have been royally had by the White women whose grievances were at most a bit murky in the 1960s, and the gamesmanship of our big corporations is what did it.

    Bravo for your brilliant historical analysis.

    I’d just add that upper middle class White women have been the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action. Most of the middle and working class women I know are working for about five bucks an hour (after day care expenses), in crappy jobs that they hate, in order to earn enough supplemental income to keep the family above water. In the old days they could choose to have stayed home while their husband made enough income to provide the family with a decent life. In the meantime the at-home wives kept a close watch on the neighborhood and social life. No fear of children playing in the streets then. No “Bowling Alone” then. Now the jobs these men once held have been taken by women in double income households that place them far above the ordinary middle class. Income inequality has increased to once unimaginable levels even within the middle income stratum of society and quality of life has been more than correspondingly diminished.

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    Thanks, JS, I appreciate that. Back about 1980 the sales detailer for a major cigarette manufacturer earned in my area about $25,000 a year with a good benefits package. It was a white-shirt-and-tie job servicing about 125 retail customers a week. These days the same job is handled by two women working as independent jobbers out of a busted-up van. They wear scruffs, and my guess is they make no more than $12 or $14 an hour, if that.

    I'm not sure if anyone has totted up the total costs (and, to be fair, the benefits, too) of affirmative action. I don't recall ever seeing anything of that sort.
    , @epochehusserl
    Its funny that you say that. I was talking to a black woman online and she said this about affirmative action: "Honey, im not powerful enough to change the system. The people you need to really complain to are white women. If they didnt like it, then the system would change overnight. What I think doesn't matter".
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  45. @Peripatetic commenter
    Well, that depends on how you define benefit.

    For example, if you define affordable family formation as a benefit, then I would suggest not.

    White women havent cared about affordable family formation in quite awhile. They care about sticking it to their men and doling out goodies to the races.

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    White women haven't cared about affordable family formation in quite awhile. They care about sticking it to their men and doling out goodies to the races.

     

    Women care about government goodies the same as all the other federal protected class groups.

    White female victim cultists seem to have a special affinity for other victim cult groups, especially queers and blacks and disabled.

    Here's a listing of some of the existing and pending goodies women have demanded and received from the federal government:

    1. Affirmative Action for women
    2. Generous 8A government set-aside business contracts for female owned businesses
    3. No required military service or selective service for women
    4. Government anti-discrimination laws for women
    5. Title VII and Title IX laws for women
    6. Rape shield laws protect female liars in court
    7. Generous government benefits for single mothers
    8. Men get screwed in child custody cases
    9. Taxpayer financed Abortion on demand
    10. Government sponsored homeless and rehab shelters for women
    11. All health insurance policies require universal coverage for female-specific problems
    12. Ridiculous feminine political correctness studies and speech codes in public colleges and universities and government offices
    13. National Women’s history month
    14. Sexual harassment laws for women
    15. Special Violence against Women Laws
    16. Most cushy government jobs employ women
    17. Equal Pay Act of 1963 for women
    18. Lowered physical standards by law for female policemen and firemen and soldier
    19. Female-only institutions allowed by law, male-only institutions outlawed
    20. Battered woman defense allowed in first degree murder court cases
    21. Hate speech laws protecting women and other federal protected class groups
    22. Women are a majority of voters in a totalitarian democracy
    23. Men pay 96% of all alimony, women pay 4%
    24. Paycheck Fairness Act
    25. Paid family and maternity leave for women
    26. Single Payer Health Insurance for Women and Children
    27. Living Wage for women, increased federal minimum wage
    28. Enhanced Social Security benefits for women with children
    29. Federal Health Insurance for illegal alien women
    30. Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood
    31. Mandatory universal health insurance plan coverage for women’s issues, including affordable contraception, preventive care, child care, and safe and legal abortion
    32. Foreign wars and intrigues to promote female entitlements across the globe
    33. Special federal and state monitoring and enforcement of laws prohibiting violence against women
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  46. JackOH says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Bravo for your brilliant historical analysis.

    I'd just add that upper middle class White women have been the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action. Most of the middle and working class women I know are working for about five bucks an hour (after day care expenses), in crappy jobs that they hate, in order to earn enough supplemental income to keep the family above water. In the old days they could choose to have stayed home while their husband made enough income to provide the family with a decent life. In the meantime the at-home wives kept a close watch on the neighborhood and social life. No fear of children playing in the streets then. No "Bowling Alone" then. Now the jobs these men once held have been taken by women in double income households that place them far above the ordinary middle class. Income inequality has increased to once unimaginable levels even within the middle income stratum of society and quality of life has been more than correspondingly diminished.

    Thanks, JS, I appreciate that. Back about 1980 the sales detailer for a major cigarette manufacturer earned in my area about $25,000 a year with a good benefits package. It was a white-shirt-and-tie job servicing about 125 retail customers a week. These days the same job is handled by two women working as independent jobbers out of a busted-up van. They wear scruffs, and my guess is they make no more than $12 or $14 an hour, if that.

    I’m not sure if anyone has totted up the total costs (and, to be fair, the benefits, too) of affirmative action. I don’t recall ever seeing anything of that sort.

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  47. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Bravo for your brilliant historical analysis.

    I'd just add that upper middle class White women have been the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action. Most of the middle and working class women I know are working for about five bucks an hour (after day care expenses), in crappy jobs that they hate, in order to earn enough supplemental income to keep the family above water. In the old days they could choose to have stayed home while their husband made enough income to provide the family with a decent life. In the meantime the at-home wives kept a close watch on the neighborhood and social life. No fear of children playing in the streets then. No "Bowling Alone" then. Now the jobs these men once held have been taken by women in double income households that place them far above the ordinary middle class. Income inequality has increased to once unimaginable levels even within the middle income stratum of society and quality of life has been more than correspondingly diminished.

    Its funny that you say that. I was talking to a black woman online and she said this about affirmative action: “Honey, im not powerful enough to change the system. The people you need to really complain to are white women. If they didnt like it, then the system would change overnight. What I think doesn’t matter”.

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    I think you mean Jewish Women, not white women ...
    , @Olorin
    White women handed the Oval Office to the Blond Beast in November.

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2017/03/detailed-demographic-breakdown-of-2016.html

    So yeah, let's everybody keep using them as pinatas. Jesus on a Segway flinging loaves and fishes....
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  48. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Believe me, a lot of government workers are also secretly alt right. I write this after several years of consulting to the feds in DC and fifteen years working in state government. The pressure to conform to SJW PC in government workplaces is even greater than in the private workplace, although civil service laws provide some countervailing protection.

    Despite this, aware government workers soon realize the grotesque waste, uselessness and even social and economic destruction associated with all too many government activities. They also, gradually realize the inequities imposed by affirmative action. In this regard it's worth remembering that currently government jobs are the mainstay of the Negro middle class in this country.

    These same aware workers soon realize that there is actually a growing synergy between government ineptitude and affirmative action. Each feeds on the other to reduce the quality of life for productive and law-abiding persons throughout the country. As dangerous as are such discussions in the government workplace, many of those I've worked with these past two years openly voiced their support for Trump in workplace settings. (I could do so even more openly than some because I was vested and had other sources of post-retirement income.) When you get a group of government workers who are comfortable with one another socializing outside the workplace alt right views are even more openly and forcefully expressed.

    I do not think the establishment has any idea of the dangers they risk of bringing the whole system crashing down if they continue repressing the hopes and aspirations of these people and others like them. The gimmie and useless bureaucrat populatioins will die off from dysfunction, violence, helplessness, and starvation if they are ignored. People of the alt right will survive and eventually destroy their tormentors.

    Well said.

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  49. @epochehusserl
    White women havent cared about affordable family formation in quite awhile. They care about sticking it to their men and doling out goodies to the races.

    White women haven’t cared about affordable family formation in quite awhile. They care about sticking it to their men and doling out goodies to the races.

    Women care about government goodies the same as all the other federal protected class groups.

    White female victim cultists seem to have a special affinity for other victim cult groups, especially queers and blacks and disabled.

    Here’s a listing of some of the existing and pending goodies women have demanded and received from the federal government:

    [MORE]

    1. Affirmative Action for women
    2. Generous 8A government set-aside business contracts for female owned businesses
    3. No required military service or selective service for women
    4. Government anti-discrimination laws for women
    5. Title VII and Title IX laws for women
    6. Rape shield laws protect female liars in court
    7. Generous government benefits for single mothers
    8. Men get screwed in child custody cases
    9. Taxpayer financed Abortion on demand
    10. Government sponsored homeless and rehab shelters for women
    11. All health insurance policies require universal coverage for female-specific problems
    12. Ridiculous feminine political correctness studies and speech codes in public colleges and universities and government offices
    13. National Women’s history month
    14. Sexual harassment laws for women
    15. Special Violence against Women Laws
    16. Most cushy government jobs employ women
    17. Equal Pay Act of 1963 for women
    18. Lowered physical standards by law for female policemen and firemen and soldier
    19. Female-only institutions allowed by law, male-only institutions outlawed
    20. Battered woman defense allowed in first degree murder court cases
    21. Hate speech laws protecting women and other federal protected class groups
    22. Women are a majority of voters in a totalitarian democracy
    23. Men pay 96% of all alimony, women pay 4%
    24. Paycheck Fairness Act
    25. Paid family and maternity leave for women
    26. Single Payer Health Insurance for Women and Children
    27. Living Wage for women, increased federal minimum wage
    28. Enhanced Social Security benefits for women with children
    29. Federal Health Insurance for illegal alien women
    30. Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood
    31. Mandatory universal health insurance plan coverage for women’s issues, including affordable contraception, preventive care, child care, and safe and legal abortion
    32. Foreign wars and intrigues to promote female entitlements across the globe
    33. Special federal and state monitoring and enforcement of laws prohibiting violence against women

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    Well the cost of such things is no longer sustainable. Not only do we not really produce anything here, at some point corporations will probably headquarter themselves somewhere else. I was looking at a map yesterday and much of the world has flat taxes. Why not locate corporate headquarters to a place where workers are cheaper and/ or taxes are lower? Why cant workers in Kazakhstan or India be trained to do the corporate taxes, marketing and finance? At some point there will be violence over feminism.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    and received from the federal government:


    1. Affirmative Action for women

     

    Last week I went to a talk by a young Catholic professor, the subject of which was masculinity. (I quoted his last year's talk, on fecundity among other things, here, and got him slammed.)

    He told of a quiet movement toward affirmative action for men in college admissions of late. Women outnumber men (or girls boys, at the Middleburys) three-to-two.

    Guess who doesn't like this situation? High-school girls shopping for colleges! So if they don't recruit more men, these schools go into a "death spiral", because they lose their female clientèle, too.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    27. Living Wage for women, increased federal minimum wage
    28. Enhanced Social Security benefits for women with children
     
    What are you talking about? These are some of the oldest policies extant.

    The first minimum wage laws predated women's suffrage, and applied solely to women– to protect men's jobs. "Women: the Other Cheap Labor"

    The SSA's "widow's benefit" was originally literally that. Widowers needed not apply, no matter how similar their situation. Ruth Bader Ginsburg managed to get that changed at SCOTUS. Partly by playing on William Rehnquist's heartstrings. "Don't you feel sorry for that little boy? Would you have him starve?"
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  50. Maj. Kong says:
    @epochehusserl
    White women have been the largest beneficiaries of affirmative action.

    Without the influence of white women, the spoils system would lose its political support. Witness the racial friction during the womens marches. Should the left manage to alienate white women, it will be a tremendous gain for the right.

    Not only would the right be able to take full advantage of white tribal voting, we could also brand ourselves as the “mens party” in the way that the left brands itself as the “womens party”. (My theory is that only one side can claim a gender mantle at a time) In such a scenario, we could flip some nonwhite males with anti-feminist sentiments.

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    "we could flip some nonwhite males with anti-feminist sentiments."

    Ugh, no thanks. Whites need to get away from non-ethnocentric big tent appeals, not think of ways to pull nonwhites in via the continuance of such. Making feminism unattractive to women is good, but all of these problems stem from the Jewish problem, and if whites don't attack that directly we risk being further divided by all of these fake, niche social issues they've created. Appealing to nonwhites keeps the door open for all of the current problems to continue. This is about us alone.
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  51. @Joe Franklin

    White women haven't cared about affordable family formation in quite awhile. They care about sticking it to their men and doling out goodies to the races.

     

    Women care about government goodies the same as all the other federal protected class groups.

    White female victim cultists seem to have a special affinity for other victim cult groups, especially queers and blacks and disabled.

    Here's a listing of some of the existing and pending goodies women have demanded and received from the federal government:

    1. Affirmative Action for women
    2. Generous 8A government set-aside business contracts for female owned businesses
    3. No required military service or selective service for women
    4. Government anti-discrimination laws for women
    5. Title VII and Title IX laws for women
    6. Rape shield laws protect female liars in court
    7. Generous government benefits for single mothers
    8. Men get screwed in child custody cases
    9. Taxpayer financed Abortion on demand
    10. Government sponsored homeless and rehab shelters for women
    11. All health insurance policies require universal coverage for female-specific problems
    12. Ridiculous feminine political correctness studies and speech codes in public colleges and universities and government offices
    13. National Women’s history month
    14. Sexual harassment laws for women
    15. Special Violence against Women Laws
    16. Most cushy government jobs employ women
    17. Equal Pay Act of 1963 for women
    18. Lowered physical standards by law for female policemen and firemen and soldier
    19. Female-only institutions allowed by law, male-only institutions outlawed
    20. Battered woman defense allowed in first degree murder court cases
    21. Hate speech laws protecting women and other federal protected class groups
    22. Women are a majority of voters in a totalitarian democracy
    23. Men pay 96% of all alimony, women pay 4%
    24. Paycheck Fairness Act
    25. Paid family and maternity leave for women
    26. Single Payer Health Insurance for Women and Children
    27. Living Wage for women, increased federal minimum wage
    28. Enhanced Social Security benefits for women with children
    29. Federal Health Insurance for illegal alien women
    30. Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood
    31. Mandatory universal health insurance plan coverage for women’s issues, including affordable contraception, preventive care, child care, and safe and legal abortion
    32. Foreign wars and intrigues to promote female entitlements across the globe
    33. Special federal and state monitoring and enforcement of laws prohibiting violence against women

    Well the cost of such things is no longer sustainable. Not only do we not really produce anything here, at some point corporations will probably headquarter themselves somewhere else. I was looking at a map yesterday and much of the world has flat taxes. Why not locate corporate headquarters to a place where workers are cheaper and/ or taxes are lower? Why cant workers in Kazakhstan or India be trained to do the corporate taxes, marketing and finance? At some point there will be violence over feminism.

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  52. @Alden
    Around 1979?80? there were mass layoffs of the White tech guys in Silicon Valley. A lot of them I went to college with and they were hired spring of their junior year. They invented everything and built the industry. Then they were laid off and never hired again. There are many shops and departments where everybody speaks Mandarin.

    I always felt that the big corporations had the influence to stop affirmative action or at least confine it to qualified blacks. But it was their thing from start to finish. Gloria Steinhem and the woman's movement was financed and advised and devised by Ford Rockefeller and other big foundations.

    My family will be ok as we have been a construction family since the Gold Rush. I've read articles that claim more qualified programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available. But every year people get computer degrees because they think its the path to a decent job

    I always felt that the big corporations had the influence to stop affirmative action or at least confine it to qualified blacks. But it was their thing from start to finish.

    Yup. As part of their globalization scheme, they had to shake their ‘white supremacist’ image. And, in addition to cheap labor, brain-draining away the better workers from foreign countries was a good way to make sure that foreign competitors would have a harder time keeping up. That’s why Corporate America is so in love with ‘diversity’.

    Gloria Steinhem and the woman’s movement was financed and advised and devised by Ford Rockefeller and other big foundations.

    And also partly by the CIA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem#CIA_ties

    I’ve read articles that claim more qualified programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available. But every year people get computer degrees because they think its the path to a decent job

    That was my story. I eventually left the field in frustration, once I realized it was no path to secure, permanent employment anymore.

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    She was probably spotted in high school. She was smart enough to get into an Ivy League school but didn't have the money so a convenient scholarship was created. And then straight out of college she created a CIA front.

    But the CIA was not that interested in affirmative action but the cutthroat capitalists were. There was big money behind her. At age 25 she bought a new, not second hand top of the line mink coat. It cost $8,000 about the same as average yearly family income at the time. She bragged that unlike other rich women whose expensive minks were brought by their husbands in exchange for sex child bearing and house keeping, she bought the coat with her own earnings actually her Ford Foundation money

    I've always been cynical about the media. Steinem was marketed like cars. She was in every magazine for years

    She is a judas goat that led women from their happy homes into wage slavery.

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  53. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Maj. Kong
    Without the influence of white women, the spoils system would lose its political support. Witness the racial friction during the womens marches. Should the left manage to alienate white women, it will be a tremendous gain for the right.

    Not only would the right be able to take full advantage of white tribal voting, we could also brand ourselves as the "mens party" in the way that the left brands itself as the "womens party". (My theory is that only one side can claim a gender mantle at a time) In such a scenario, we could flip some nonwhite males with anti-feminist sentiments.

    “we could flip some nonwhite males with anti-feminist sentiments.”

    Ugh, no thanks. Whites need to get away from non-ethnocentric big tent appeals, not think of ways to pull nonwhites in via the continuance of such. Making feminism unattractive to women is good, but all of these problems stem from the Jewish problem, and if whites don’t attack that directly we risk being further divided by all of these fake, niche social issues they’ve created. Appealing to nonwhites keeps the door open for all of the current problems to continue. This is about us alone.

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    Is hanging alone much better for the hangee?
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  54. @Anon
    "we could flip some nonwhite males with anti-feminist sentiments."

    Ugh, no thanks. Whites need to get away from non-ethnocentric big tent appeals, not think of ways to pull nonwhites in via the continuance of such. Making feminism unattractive to women is good, but all of these problems stem from the Jewish problem, and if whites don't attack that directly we risk being further divided by all of these fake, niche social issues they've created. Appealing to nonwhites keeps the door open for all of the current problems to continue. This is about us alone.

    Is hanging alone much better for the hangee?

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    This is about western nationalist movements based on European identity. If you want a civic nationalist movement based on something else (more fake identities and abstract ideology), I must assume you either aren't fully there yet or you're an outsider looking in. If the alt right and other nationalist movements are not exclusively white/European, they risk being subverted by the same entity or becoming something else to cater to nonwhites. But the immediate goal is to wake more whites up, not form coalitions with nonwhites, very few of which I would expect to be on board anyway.
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  55. @epochehusserl
    Its funny that you say that. I was talking to a black woman online and she said this about affirmative action: "Honey, im not powerful enough to change the system. The people you need to really complain to are white women. If they didnt like it, then the system would change overnight. What I think doesn't matter".

    I think you mean Jewish Women, not white women …

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  56. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Daniel Chieh
    Is hanging alone much better for the hangee?

    This is about western nationalist movements based on European identity. If you want a civic nationalist movement based on something else (more fake identities and abstract ideology), I must assume you either aren’t fully there yet or you’re an outsider looking in. If the alt right and other nationalist movements are not exclusively white/European, they risk being subverted by the same entity or becoming something else to cater to nonwhites. But the immediate goal is to wake more whites up, not form coalitions with nonwhites, very few of which I would expect to be on board anyway.

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    The thing is, from a practical standpoint, its going to be nearly impossible to maintain political success while also trying to be pure, and even harder to prevent splintering from purity spiraling: look at Brett Stevens, for example, who takes it to its logical conclusion and wants to exclude the Irish as well.

    Its been attempted before by a variety of nativist and religious organizations, and it'll results in alienating potential allies, and losing in no small part because in a democratic, coalition building is indeed important.

    There's certainly nothing wrong with the "immediate goal," but from a political perspective, its not workable to win in a democracy without looking for common ground with potential allies. Its why, for example, Stormfront has not been a political force, but Gamersgate was.

    Its not something we need to love about democracy, but something we need to acknowledge about how democracies work.
    , @Maj. Kong
    I was writing on the pretext of the GOP alone, in regards to electoral success. I will presume we disagree on the civic/ethnic card. I think some nonwhites could be persuaded to be in alliance with an openly pro-white movement that aimed at ensuring some kind of demographic balance. I'm rather skeptical about Madagascar Plans that you appear to support.
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  57. @Anon
    This is about western nationalist movements based on European identity. If you want a civic nationalist movement based on something else (more fake identities and abstract ideology), I must assume you either aren't fully there yet or you're an outsider looking in. If the alt right and other nationalist movements are not exclusively white/European, they risk being subverted by the same entity or becoming something else to cater to nonwhites. But the immediate goal is to wake more whites up, not form coalitions with nonwhites, very few of which I would expect to be on board anyway.

    The thing is, from a practical standpoint, its going to be nearly impossible to maintain political success while also trying to be pure, and even harder to prevent splintering from purity spiraling: look at Brett Stevens, for example, who takes it to its logical conclusion and wants to exclude the Irish as well.

    Its been attempted before by a variety of nativist and religious organizations, and it’ll results in alienating potential allies, and losing in no small part because in a democratic, coalition building is indeed important.

    There’s certainly nothing wrong with the “immediate goal,” but from a political perspective, its not workable to win in a democracy without looking for common ground with potential allies. Its why, for example, Stormfront has not been a political force, but Gamersgate was.

    Its not something we need to love about democracy, but something we need to acknowledge about how democracies work.

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    I don't see it that way, and neither does the vast majority of the alt right. What you seem to be proposing, which is often the default position of redpilled nonwhites, is a form of civic nationalism based on "shared values" or western culture or something of that nature. That is the phase we currently seem to be entering under Trump, and it's a step in the right direction, but it's only a first step, a short term stopgap -- not a long term solution.

    The groups you're proposing whites ally with were brought in to displace them, and those groups' interests will continue to lie with the left. Trying to redpill them and pit them against the Jewish elites is a non starter imo, because it would require those groups going against their interests and eschewing the concept of America as a nation for everyone. And I simply cannot see that happening on any swayable scale.

    In the long term, however it may come about, democratically or not, multiculturalism will fail and separation will occur. Dismantling the Jewish power structure and removing them from institutional control is the topmost priority, but if whites can do that, I don't think creating alliances with other groups, or really anything else for that matter, would be difficult. Civil solutions could be found. Though ideally it would involve mass repatriation or land redistribution for those who were given entry into the west by our past ~50 years of traitorous and foreign elites.
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  58. @Joe Franklin

    White women haven't cared about affordable family formation in quite awhile. They care about sticking it to their men and doling out goodies to the races.

     

    Women care about government goodies the same as all the other federal protected class groups.

    White female victim cultists seem to have a special affinity for other victim cult groups, especially queers and blacks and disabled.

    Here's a listing of some of the existing and pending goodies women have demanded and received from the federal government:

    1. Affirmative Action for women
    2. Generous 8A government set-aside business contracts for female owned businesses
    3. No required military service or selective service for women
    4. Government anti-discrimination laws for women
    5. Title VII and Title IX laws for women
    6. Rape shield laws protect female liars in court
    7. Generous government benefits for single mothers
    8. Men get screwed in child custody cases
    9. Taxpayer financed Abortion on demand
    10. Government sponsored homeless and rehab shelters for women
    11. All health insurance policies require universal coverage for female-specific problems
    12. Ridiculous feminine political correctness studies and speech codes in public colleges and universities and government offices
    13. National Women’s history month
    14. Sexual harassment laws for women
    15. Special Violence against Women Laws
    16. Most cushy government jobs employ women
    17. Equal Pay Act of 1963 for women
    18. Lowered physical standards by law for female policemen and firemen and soldier
    19. Female-only institutions allowed by law, male-only institutions outlawed
    20. Battered woman defense allowed in first degree murder court cases
    21. Hate speech laws protecting women and other federal protected class groups
    22. Women are a majority of voters in a totalitarian democracy
    23. Men pay 96% of all alimony, women pay 4%
    24. Paycheck Fairness Act
    25. Paid family and maternity leave for women
    26. Single Payer Health Insurance for Women and Children
    27. Living Wage for women, increased federal minimum wage
    28. Enhanced Social Security benefits for women with children
    29. Federal Health Insurance for illegal alien women
    30. Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood
    31. Mandatory universal health insurance plan coverage for women’s issues, including affordable contraception, preventive care, child care, and safe and legal abortion
    32. Foreign wars and intrigues to promote female entitlements across the globe
    33. Special federal and state monitoring and enforcement of laws prohibiting violence against women

    and received from the federal government:

    1. Affirmative Action for women

    Last week I went to a talk by a young Catholic professor, the subject of which was masculinity. (I quoted his last year’s talk, on fecundity among other things, here, and got him slammed.)

    He told of a quiet movement toward affirmative action for men in college admissions of late. Women outnumber men (or girls boys, at the Middleburys) three-to-two.

    Guess who doesn’t like this situation? High-school girls shopping for colleges! So if they don’t recruit more men, these schools go into a “death spiral”, because they lose their female clientèle, too.

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    He told of a quiet movement toward affirmative action for men in college admissions of late.
     
    Meh, doesn't help me. I already got into and graduated from a quite highly ranked college.

    In fact almost none of the stuff discussed on this blog affects me directly. Immigration affects those who live in sensitive areas such as So Cal and Arizona. And it surely bears heavy implications for the future. But the real issue that impacts all of us immediately is feminism. Feminism has turned "our" own women against us. And they're going to remain like that through the remainder of our prime years. They are poisoned now.

    Yeah sure you can find good ones here and there. But I'm not going to bother to try and sift through all the washed up used syringes to try to find a clean one. I'd much rather just go to a culture that isn't so thoroughly polluted with feminism. I don't care if they're "white." I'm grateful for my "white" genetics and the cognitive advantages it gives me, but when ever the f*** did my "own" culture ever give a f*** about me, as a man?
    , @Alden
    I was in college 1960 to 1964. It was something like 60% men 40% women. For us girls it was wonderful.
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  59. @Joe Franklin

    White women haven't cared about affordable family formation in quite awhile. They care about sticking it to their men and doling out goodies to the races.

     

    Women care about government goodies the same as all the other federal protected class groups.

    White female victim cultists seem to have a special affinity for other victim cult groups, especially queers and blacks and disabled.

    Here's a listing of some of the existing and pending goodies women have demanded and received from the federal government:

    1. Affirmative Action for women
    2. Generous 8A government set-aside business contracts for female owned businesses
    3. No required military service or selective service for women
    4. Government anti-discrimination laws for women
    5. Title VII and Title IX laws for women
    6. Rape shield laws protect female liars in court
    7. Generous government benefits for single mothers
    8. Men get screwed in child custody cases
    9. Taxpayer financed Abortion on demand
    10. Government sponsored homeless and rehab shelters for women
    11. All health insurance policies require universal coverage for female-specific problems
    12. Ridiculous feminine political correctness studies and speech codes in public colleges and universities and government offices
    13. National Women’s history month
    14. Sexual harassment laws for women
    15. Special Violence against Women Laws
    16. Most cushy government jobs employ women
    17. Equal Pay Act of 1963 for women
    18. Lowered physical standards by law for female policemen and firemen and soldier
    19. Female-only institutions allowed by law, male-only institutions outlawed
    20. Battered woman defense allowed in first degree murder court cases
    21. Hate speech laws protecting women and other federal protected class groups
    22. Women are a majority of voters in a totalitarian democracy
    23. Men pay 96% of all alimony, women pay 4%
    24. Paycheck Fairness Act
    25. Paid family and maternity leave for women
    26. Single Payer Health Insurance for Women and Children
    27. Living Wage for women, increased federal minimum wage
    28. Enhanced Social Security benefits for women with children
    29. Federal Health Insurance for illegal alien women
    30. Federal Funding for Planned Parenthood
    31. Mandatory universal health insurance plan coverage for women’s issues, including affordable contraception, preventive care, child care, and safe and legal abortion
    32. Foreign wars and intrigues to promote female entitlements across the globe
    33. Special federal and state monitoring and enforcement of laws prohibiting violence against women

    27. Living Wage for women, increased federal minimum wage
    28. Enhanced Social Security benefits for women with children

    What are you talking about? These are some of the oldest policies extant.

    The first minimum wage laws predated women’s suffrage, and applied solely to women– to protect men’s jobs. “Women: the Other Cheap Labor”

    The SSA’s “widow’s benefit” was originally literally that. Widowers needed not apply, no matter how similar their situation. Ruth Bader Ginsburg managed to get that changed at SCOTUS. Partly by playing on William Rehnquist’s heartstrings. “Don’t you feel sorry for that little boy? Would you have him starve?”

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  60. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Daniel Chieh
    The thing is, from a practical standpoint, its going to be nearly impossible to maintain political success while also trying to be pure, and even harder to prevent splintering from purity spiraling: look at Brett Stevens, for example, who takes it to its logical conclusion and wants to exclude the Irish as well.

    Its been attempted before by a variety of nativist and religious organizations, and it'll results in alienating potential allies, and losing in no small part because in a democratic, coalition building is indeed important.

    There's certainly nothing wrong with the "immediate goal," but from a political perspective, its not workable to win in a democracy without looking for common ground with potential allies. Its why, for example, Stormfront has not been a political force, but Gamersgate was.

    Its not something we need to love about democracy, but something we need to acknowledge about how democracies work.

    I don’t see it that way, and neither does the vast majority of the alt right. What you seem to be proposing, which is often the default position of redpilled nonwhites, is a form of civic nationalism based on “shared values” or western culture or something of that nature. That is the phase we currently seem to be entering under Trump, and it’s a step in the right direction, but it’s only a first step, a short term stopgap — not a long term solution.

    The groups you’re proposing whites ally with were brought in to displace them, and those groups’ interests will continue to lie with the left. Trying to redpill them and pit them against the Jewish elites is a non starter imo, because it would require those groups going against their interests and eschewing the concept of America as a nation for everyone. And I simply cannot see that happening on any swayable scale.

    In the long term, however it may come about, democratically or not, multiculturalism will fail and separation will occur. Dismantling the Jewish power structure and removing them from institutional control is the topmost priority, but if whites can do that, I don’t think creating alliances with other groups, or really anything else for that matter, would be difficult. Civil solutions could be found. Though ideally it would involve mass repatriation or land redistribution for those who were given entry into the west by our past ~50 years of traitorous and foreign elites.

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    In the long term, however it may come about, democratically or not, multiculturalism will fail and separation will occur.
     
    As nice as it might be to believe that, unfortunately its not always historically true. Look at Brazil or South Africa - in a way, sure, separation might occur, de facto, but not before basically destroying the nation and culture as is.

    I'm in an alt-right group, so I'm familiar with the mentality of purity. But I maintain, still, at the end of the day, its impossible to actually have any consistent electoral victories by alienating any potential allies. The main reason why the pushback is occurring, as some have mentioned, is that Gamersgate helped inspire an entire big-tent against liberal values.

    I don't actually have any perfect solutions, but its worthwhile to note realistically that so as long as democracy is a game of who has the most butts, pushing away potential butts is likely a losing strategy*.

    * might be a moot point anyway, since the power seems to lie mostly with the deep state and the judges, such that elections don't seem to matter all that much.

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  61. grapesoda says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    and received from the federal government:


    1. Affirmative Action for women

     

    Last week I went to a talk by a young Catholic professor, the subject of which was masculinity. (I quoted his last year's talk, on fecundity among other things, here, and got him slammed.)

    He told of a quiet movement toward affirmative action for men in college admissions of late. Women outnumber men (or girls boys, at the Middleburys) three-to-two.

    Guess who doesn't like this situation? High-school girls shopping for colleges! So if they don't recruit more men, these schools go into a "death spiral", because they lose their female clientèle, too.

    He told of a quiet movement toward affirmative action for men in college admissions of late.

    Meh, doesn’t help me. I already got into and graduated from a quite highly ranked college.

    In fact almost none of the stuff discussed on this blog affects me directly. Immigration affects those who live in sensitive areas such as So Cal and Arizona. And it surely bears heavy implications for the future. But the real issue that impacts all of us immediately is feminism. Feminism has turned “our” own women against us. And they’re going to remain like that through the remainder of our prime years. They are poisoned now.

    Yeah sure you can find good ones here and there. But I’m not going to bother to try and sift through all the washed up used syringes to try to find a clean one. I’d much rather just go to a culture that isn’t so thoroughly polluted with feminism. I don’t care if they’re “white.” I’m grateful for my “white” genetics and the cognitive advantages it gives me, but when ever the f*** did my “own” culture ever give a f*** about me, as a man?

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  62. @Anon
    I don't see it that way, and neither does the vast majority of the alt right. What you seem to be proposing, which is often the default position of redpilled nonwhites, is a form of civic nationalism based on "shared values" or western culture or something of that nature. That is the phase we currently seem to be entering under Trump, and it's a step in the right direction, but it's only a first step, a short term stopgap -- not a long term solution.

    The groups you're proposing whites ally with were brought in to displace them, and those groups' interests will continue to lie with the left. Trying to redpill them and pit them against the Jewish elites is a non starter imo, because it would require those groups going against their interests and eschewing the concept of America as a nation for everyone. And I simply cannot see that happening on any swayable scale.

    In the long term, however it may come about, democratically or not, multiculturalism will fail and separation will occur. Dismantling the Jewish power structure and removing them from institutional control is the topmost priority, but if whites can do that, I don't think creating alliances with other groups, or really anything else for that matter, would be difficult. Civil solutions could be found. Though ideally it would involve mass repatriation or land redistribution for those who were given entry into the west by our past ~50 years of traitorous and foreign elites.

    In the long term, however it may come about, democratically or not, multiculturalism will fail and separation will occur.

    As nice as it might be to believe that, unfortunately its not always historically true. Look at Brazil or South Africa – in a way, sure, separation might occur, de facto, but not before basically destroying the nation and culture as is.

    I’m in an alt-right group, so I’m familiar with the mentality of purity. But I maintain, still, at the end of the day, its impossible to actually have any consistent electoral victories by alienating any potential allies. The main reason why the pushback is occurring, as some have mentioned, is that Gamersgate helped inspire an entire big-tent against liberal values.

    I don’t actually have any perfect solutions, but its worthwhile to note realistically that so as long as democracy is a game of who has the most butts, pushing away potential butts is likely a losing strategy*.

    * might be a moot point anyway, since the power seems to lie mostly with the deep state and the judges, such that elections don’t seem to matter all that much.

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    It's all shades of grey, really. If you support the majority of our ideology, then I support you.

    The concept of "white" would be laughed at in Europe. Try to see how well that plays in Poland. Especially when you live in America, the lines become a bit blurred. Colombians, Mexicans, and Guatemalans become "Latino." Southern and Northern Europeans become "white."

    But ideology is a real thing. And I think that should be respected. In Europe even neighboring countries have disputes, obviously. But over and above that what is important is ideology. So if you call yourself alt-right, or whatever, I respect that.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uGCWT2wvUI

    , @Anon
    I just think you're being a little short sighted here, friend. You're playing the enemy's game by assuming the debate and any reaction from whites must fit within an inclusive democratic framework, when that is precisely the tool that is being used to politically and demographically dilute the influence of whites. You are saying that even though the enemy has been successfully able to change the demographics through the democratic system, whites must play by those rules and alter their tactics to account for the changes that have been made against their interests and without their input.

    What I'm saying is ... no, we don't. Doing that changes the message entirely and its effectiveness as a tactic is by no means assured since, as I already stated, those groups are unlikely to come on board anyway. The only nonwhite group I could see being a *potential* ally of any use (certainly no given) is Asians.

    What I think is that you are letting presumably alt lite personalities, who are associated with the alt right out of dishonest self interest or their desire to water down the message, distort what you believe the alt right represents. This is why you use words like "purity" and mention people I had never even heard of like Brett Stevens. You are listening to people who want to change the fundamental message of nationalist, new right movements by making them into civic nationalist movements that can be more easily subverted by jews.

    Bottom line: this is about white people restoring their societies and returning them to the demographic ethnostates they, up until recently (apart from a few cases like the US with slaves who were largely brought here by Jews), were. That is just the historical norm, how it was throughout the west until 50 years ago. It's not necessary for whites to do anything other than work toward that goal, which is what the alt right etc., for the most part, is doing.
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  63. grapesoda says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    In the long term, however it may come about, democratically or not, multiculturalism will fail and separation will occur.
     
    As nice as it might be to believe that, unfortunately its not always historically true. Look at Brazil or South Africa - in a way, sure, separation might occur, de facto, but not before basically destroying the nation and culture as is.

    I'm in an alt-right group, so I'm familiar with the mentality of purity. But I maintain, still, at the end of the day, its impossible to actually have any consistent electoral victories by alienating any potential allies. The main reason why the pushback is occurring, as some have mentioned, is that Gamersgate helped inspire an entire big-tent against liberal values.

    I don't actually have any perfect solutions, but its worthwhile to note realistically that so as long as democracy is a game of who has the most butts, pushing away potential butts is likely a losing strategy*.

    * might be a moot point anyway, since the power seems to lie mostly with the deep state and the judges, such that elections don't seem to matter all that much.

    It’s all shades of grey, really. If you support the majority of our ideology, then I support you.

    The concept of “white” would be laughed at in Europe. Try to see how well that plays in Poland. Especially when you live in America, the lines become a bit blurred. Colombians, Mexicans, and Guatemalans become “Latino.” Southern and Northern Europeans become “white.”

    But ideology is a real thing. And I think that should be respected. In Europe even neighboring countries have disputes, obviously. But over and above that what is important is ideology. So if you call yourself alt-right, or whatever, I respect that.

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  64. @Jus' Sayin'...
    Believe me, a lot of government workers are also secretly alt right. I write this after several years of consulting to the feds in DC and fifteen years working in state government. The pressure to conform to SJW PC in government workplaces is even greater than in the private workplace, although civil service laws provide some countervailing protection.

    Despite this, aware government workers soon realize the grotesque waste, uselessness and even social and economic destruction associated with all too many government activities. They also, gradually realize the inequities imposed by affirmative action. In this regard it's worth remembering that currently government jobs are the mainstay of the Negro middle class in this country.

    These same aware workers soon realize that there is actually a growing synergy between government ineptitude and affirmative action. Each feeds on the other to reduce the quality of life for productive and law-abiding persons throughout the country. As dangerous as are such discussions in the government workplace, many of those I've worked with these past two years openly voiced their support for Trump in workplace settings. (I could do so even more openly than some because I was vested and had other sources of post-retirement income.) When you get a group of government workers who are comfortable with one another socializing outside the workplace alt right views are even more openly and forcefully expressed.

    I do not think the establishment has any idea of the dangers they risk of bringing the whole system crashing down if they continue repressing the hopes and aspirations of these people and others like them. The gimmie and useless bureaucrat populatioins will die off from dysfunction, violence, helplessness, and starvation if they are ignored. People of the alt right will survive and eventually destroy their tormentors.

    There’s a lot of us alt right in aerospace. I suspect we just have the mindset amenable to designing stuff that helps kill people and break things, which hurts the fee fees of the gamma crowd. It’s also someplace you get to work on things with bit more oomph that the next chat or photo sharing app. The lack of candy bowls and kindergarten slides replacing stairs probably scares away the virtue signalers as well.

    One plus here is that an H1B would never get the clearances required to do our jobs.

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  65. Everywhere you look is Saul Alinsky-style personality disorder screeching about Trump.

    There’s plenty not to like, namely overseas wars – just somewhat different opinions from Trump on who the Empire should bomb.

    But this infantile screeching… sexist, racist, Nazi – you just discredit yourself with everyone except the home team of socialists who don’t even believe what they are saying. You just say it to justify your own reprehensible behavior.

    Trump was pro-torture and that put him off my approval list long before he even won the republican primary. He’s throwing money at the military as if we did not already spend more than the next seven or eight countries combined.

    But criticizing him on these quite solid and reasonable grounds doesn’t prove up your bona-fides as someone willing to throw molotov cocktails and cover your face with a black cloth to beat up defenseless people with pipes now, does it? You have to show your buddies that you’re going to be the head of the lynch mob, shooting Trump, then beating his dead body, pissing on it, and hanging it in the public square. We do that with all these virtue-signalling code words and phony “investigations”.

    The only time the author came even remotely close to the alleged title, supposedly introducing us to actual people she found was the claim that the most traffic to Daily Stormer came from Santa Clara County. You’ve got to be kidding! There must be at least ten thousand businesses in Santa Clara County and to pick two of them as the cause of Daily Stormer traffic just reveals what a fake “researcher” you are. Two million people. It’s one of the biggest counties in California and thus also among the largest in the nation. By sheer force of population it is going to have a lot of Daily Stormer traffic, not because it is the home of Apple or Intel.

    Almost all the political donations from Silicon Valley went to Hillary Clinton. Google away at that to see what ridiculous tripe this article is to pretend not just the opposite – but something so radically different as to question the author’s mental state. Like claiming Yankee Stadium is home to the Dodgers.

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  66. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Daniel Chieh

    In the long term, however it may come about, democratically or not, multiculturalism will fail and separation will occur.
     
    As nice as it might be to believe that, unfortunately its not always historically true. Look at Brazil or South Africa - in a way, sure, separation might occur, de facto, but not before basically destroying the nation and culture as is.

    I'm in an alt-right group, so I'm familiar with the mentality of purity. But I maintain, still, at the end of the day, its impossible to actually have any consistent electoral victories by alienating any potential allies. The main reason why the pushback is occurring, as some have mentioned, is that Gamersgate helped inspire an entire big-tent against liberal values.

    I don't actually have any perfect solutions, but its worthwhile to note realistically that so as long as democracy is a game of who has the most butts, pushing away potential butts is likely a losing strategy*.

    * might be a moot point anyway, since the power seems to lie mostly with the deep state and the judges, such that elections don't seem to matter all that much.

    I just think you’re being a little short sighted here, friend. You’re playing the enemy’s game by assuming the debate and any reaction from whites must fit within an inclusive democratic framework, when that is precisely the tool that is being used to politically and demographically dilute the influence of whites. You are saying that even though the enemy has been successfully able to change the demographics through the democratic system, whites must play by those rules and alter their tactics to account for the changes that have been made against their interests and without their input.

    What I’m saying is … no, we don’t. Doing that changes the message entirely and its effectiveness as a tactic is by no means assured since, as I already stated, those groups are unlikely to come on board anyway. The only nonwhite group I could see being a *potential* ally of any use (certainly no given) is Asians.

    What I think is that you are letting presumably alt lite personalities, who are associated with the alt right out of dishonest self interest or their desire to water down the message, distort what you believe the alt right represents. This is why you use words like “purity” and mention people I had never even heard of like Brett Stevens. You are listening to people who want to change the fundamental message of nationalist, new right movements by making them into civic nationalist movements that can be more easily subverted by jews.

    Bottom line: this is about white people restoring their societies and returning them to the demographic ethnostates they, up until recently (apart from a few cases like the US with slaves who were largely brought here by Jews), were. That is just the historical norm, how it was throughout the west until 50 years ago. It’s not necessary for whites to do anything other than work toward that goal, which is what the alt right etc., for the most part, is doing.

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  67. Olorin says:
    @epochehusserl
    Its funny that you say that. I was talking to a black woman online and she said this about affirmative action: "Honey, im not powerful enough to change the system. The people you need to really complain to are white women. If they didnt like it, then the system would change overnight. What I think doesn't matter".

    White women handed the Oval Office to the Blond Beast in November.

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2017/03/detailed-demographic-breakdown-of-2016.html

    So yeah, let’s everybody keep using them as pinatas. Jesus on a Segway flinging loaves and fishes….

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    Things would not have gotten as bad as they are without white women. Without their support we go nowhere. Who watches Samantha Bee?
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  68. Maj. Kong says:
    @Anon
    This is about western nationalist movements based on European identity. If you want a civic nationalist movement based on something else (more fake identities and abstract ideology), I must assume you either aren't fully there yet or you're an outsider looking in. If the alt right and other nationalist movements are not exclusively white/European, they risk being subverted by the same entity or becoming something else to cater to nonwhites. But the immediate goal is to wake more whites up, not form coalitions with nonwhites, very few of which I would expect to be on board anyway.

    I was writing on the pretext of the GOP alone, in regards to electoral success. I will presume we disagree on the civic/ethnic card. I think some nonwhites could be persuaded to be in alliance with an openly pro-white movement that aimed at ensuring some kind of demographic balance. I’m rather skeptical about Madagascar Plans that you appear to support.

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  69. @Olorin
    White women handed the Oval Office to the Blond Beast in November.

    http://anepigone.blogspot.com/2017/03/detailed-demographic-breakdown-of-2016.html

    So yeah, let's everybody keep using them as pinatas. Jesus on a Segway flinging loaves and fishes....

    Things would not have gotten as bad as they are without white women. Without their support we go nowhere. Who watches Samantha Bee?

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  70. Alden says:
    @Karl
    25 Alden > But basically I think the tech industry is a lost cause


    get back to me with that thought, when they can no longer scratch together $15 billion to buy out a few Unit 8200 vets.

    I blame Silicon Valley for introducing the English phrase "blind date" to meat-market bars in Netivot, about 35 minutes away from the Applied-Physics laboratories of Ben-Gurion University in Beer Sheva.

    “tech industry is a lost cause” I meant that the companies are rejecting Whites in favor of Asians and Indian HI B imports.

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  71. Alden says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    Believe me, a lot of government workers are also secretly alt right. I write this after several years of consulting to the feds in DC and fifteen years working in state government. The pressure to conform to SJW PC in government workplaces is even greater than in the private workplace, although civil service laws provide some countervailing protection.

    Despite this, aware government workers soon realize the grotesque waste, uselessness and even social and economic destruction associated with all too many government activities. They also, gradually realize the inequities imposed by affirmative action. In this regard it's worth remembering that currently government jobs are the mainstay of the Negro middle class in this country.

    These same aware workers soon realize that there is actually a growing synergy between government ineptitude and affirmative action. Each feeds on the other to reduce the quality of life for productive and law-abiding persons throughout the country. As dangerous as are such discussions in the government workplace, many of those I've worked with these past two years openly voiced their support for Trump in workplace settings. (I could do so even more openly than some because I was vested and had other sources of post-retirement income.) When you get a group of government workers who are comfortable with one another socializing outside the workplace alt right views are even more openly and forcefully expressed.

    I do not think the establishment has any idea of the dangers they risk of bringing the whole system crashing down if they continue repressing the hopes and aspirations of these people and others like them. The gimmie and useless bureaucrat populatioins will die off from dysfunction, violence, helplessness, and starvation if they are ignored. People of the alt right will survive and eventually destroy their tormentors.

    Where did you find White government workers? I haven’t seen one in years.

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  72. Alden says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    and received from the federal government:


    1. Affirmative Action for women

     

    Last week I went to a talk by a young Catholic professor, the subject of which was masculinity. (I quoted his last year's talk, on fecundity among other things, here, and got him slammed.)

    He told of a quiet movement toward affirmative action for men in college admissions of late. Women outnumber men (or girls boys, at the Middleburys) three-to-two.

    Guess who doesn't like this situation? High-school girls shopping for colleges! So if they don't recruit more men, these schools go into a "death spiral", because they lose their female clientèle, too.

    I was in college 1960 to 1964. It was something like 60% men 40% women. For us girls it was wonderful.

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  73. Alden says:
    @Seamus Padraig

    I always felt that the big corporations had the influence to stop affirmative action or at least confine it to qualified blacks. But it was their thing from start to finish.
     
    Yup. As part of their globalization scheme, they had to shake their 'white supremacist' image. And, in addition to cheap labor, brain-draining away the better workers from foreign countries was a good way to make sure that foreign competitors would have a harder time keeping up. That's why Corporate America is so in love with 'diversity'.

    Gloria Steinhem and the woman’s movement was financed and advised and devised by Ford Rockefeller and other big foundations.
     
    And also partly by the CIA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Steinem#CIA_ties

    I’ve read articles that claim more qualified programmers graduate every year than there are jobs available. But every year people get computer degrees because they think its the path to a decent job
     
    That was my story. I eventually left the field in frustration, once I realized it was no path to secure, permanent employment anymore.

    She was probably spotted in high school. She was smart enough to get into an Ivy League school but didn’t have the money so a convenient scholarship was created. And then straight out of college she created a CIA front.

    But the CIA was not that interested in affirmative action but the cutthroat capitalists were. There was big money behind her. At age 25 she bought a new, not second hand top of the line mink coat. It cost $8,000 about the same as average yearly family income at the time. She bragged that unlike other rich women whose expensive minks were brought by their husbands in exchange for sex child bearing and house keeping, she bought the coat with her own earnings actually her Ford Foundation money

    I’ve always been cynical about the media. Steinem was marketed like cars. She was in every magazine for years

    She is a judas goat that led women from their happy homes into wage slavery.

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