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WASHINGTON — Edgar M. Welch, a 28-year-old father of two from Salisbury, N.C., recently read online that Comet Ping Pong, a pizza restaurant in northwest Washington, was harboring young children as sex slaves as part of a child-abuse ring led by Hillary Clinton.

The articles making those allegations were widespread across the web, appearing on sites including Facebook and Twitter. Apparently concerned, Mr. Welch drove about six hours on Sunday from his home to Comet Ping Pong to see the situation for himself, according to court documents. Not long after arriving at the pizzeria, the police said, he fired from an assault-like AR-15 rifle. The police arrested him. They found a rifle and a handgun in the restaurant. No one was hurt.

In an arraignment on Monday, a heavily tattooed Mr. Welch, wearing a white jumpsuit and shackles, was ordered held. According to the criminal complaint, he told the authorities that he was armed to help rescue children but that he surrendered peacefully after finding no evidence that “children were being harbored in the restaurant.” He was charged with four counts, including felony assault with a deadly weapon and carrying a gun without a license outside a home or business.

Unbeknown to Mr. Welch, what he had been reading online were fake news articles about Comet Ping Pong, which have swollen in number over time. The false articles against the pizzeria began appearing on social networks and websites in late October, not long before the presidential election, with the restaurant identified as being the headquarters for a child-trafficking ring.

The articles were soon exposed as false by publications including The New York Times, The Washington Post and the fact-checking website Snopes. But the debunking did not squash the conspiracy theories about Comet Ping Pong — instead, it led to the opposite

 
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  1. J1234 says:

    I’m just wondering when Jill Stein’s Russian hack of the election theory is going to be recognized by the MSM as a result of “fake news”. Pretty sure never. This armed guy and Jill Stein are at about the same level of gullibility. So far, the Wisconsin recount isn’t turning out any different than election day results.

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    What cau$ed $tein to a$k for a recount of the vote$? Go$h, $he $eemed $o real, wa$ I $illy to expect at lea$t one candidate to be hone$t?

    Jill needs a nickname, like 'Dollar $tein.'
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  2. D. K. says:

    Openly speculating on a Web site about what might or might not be true about a person, place or thing, whether such speculations are or are not labeled as “conspiracy theories” by apparatchiks of the Establishment propaganda media (EPM), is in no reasonable sense publishing a “false news story.” The notion that either of of those Establishment newspapers– let alone the staff of the left-wing Snopes Web site– has now disproved any possible criminal conspiracy involving pedophilia or child trafficking existing at the premises of Comet Ping Pong is utterly ludicrous, whether any such speculation turns out to be true or utterly devoid of merit. That EPM that have pushed illegal wars based on false claims, and all but ignited a race war in America based on equally mendacious lies (e.g., “Hands up, don’t shoot!”), have the chutzpah to try to hold speculating bloggers, or even other news sites that reported on those speculations (which also does not amount to “publishing false news stories”), responsible for the clearly criminal actions of a lone individual, whose idea of personally “investigating” a possible crime scene is to enter a fast-food outlet, illegally armed and willing to fire his weapons in other than lawful self-defense, alas, is simply par for the course for our contemporary EPM.

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  3. This is on the front page because it fits with NYT’s gun-control and information-control agendas.

    The danger from lone nuts is limited; the danger from MSM-inspired anti-Trump rioting is much greater.

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  4. Stogumber says:

    Quoting from another article here at unz.com (“Pizzagate”, Aedon Cassiel):

    “here is an Instagrammed photo posted by James Alefantis, the owner of Comet Ping Pong that appears innocent enough: a man carrying a young child with a beaded necklace draped around both of their necks. … The disturbing bit is that the photo uses the tag “#chickenlovers,” and “chicken lover” is in fact an established term to refer to a pedophile — someone who loves “chicken,” which is also unambiguously an established term to refer to underage children (you can see this in the gay slang dictionary subset of the Online Dictionary of Playground Slang).”

    And how do the NYT people explain that?

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    • Replies: @ogunsiron
    We have no tangible proof of actual children being harmed but indeed, what about the extremely strange instagram messages ? What about all the weird baby pictures with the outrageous hahtags and comments ? I've been to strange, underground type of places in my life but I've never even heard of a gay porn and cannibalism themed restaurant for kids. Is anyone asking jimmycomet about his tendency to sexualize babies ? Is that normal ?
    , @Olorin

    how do the NYT people explain that?
     
    "You're deplorable."
    , @biz
    Actually, more immediately, how do I know that supposed instagram screen capture is real? And how do I know that the offending hashtag wasn't photoshopped in at some point?

    There is a lot of irrational selective incredulity around here. The NY Times must be lying (I'm not saying they're not) but an unsourced jpeg off the internet of absolutely unknown pedigree is taken as god's honest truth.

  5. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    You want crazy reality?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-burqa-burka-ban-veils-angela-merkel-cdu-muslims-speech-refugee-crisis-elections-term-vote-a7458536.html

    Merkel lets in millions of invaders but bans a piece of cloth.

    It’d be like Poles and Russians letting in tons of German soldiers but banning the Swastika armband.

    Boots okay, cloth not okay.

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    • Replies: @Alfred1860
    And what better way could you think of to piss off the newly-arrived Muslims while also appeasing some of the stupider resident Germans?
    , @Olorin
    Not "crazy reality."

    A sudden hot flash of Realpolitik by Mutti.
  6. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    I don’t think Hillary Clinton is thought to be the centre of whatever is/isn’t going on with ‘Pizzagate’. She is an associate of some people who may possibly involved.

    That bit was obviously thrown in to make the entire issue look more ludicrous than it actually is.

    The Times reader gets a nice ‘gun control’ story, a warning about the spread of ‘fake news’… and a distortion about the nature of the actual issue. They are clever, I’ll give them that.

    With the resources at it’s disposal, it would be great if the NYTimes would look into the allegations. I get a strange feeling certain types of publications have an odd rooting interest in this story, and I wonder why that is.

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  7. Jason Liu says:

    Welch is a dumb fuck. What did he think he was going to do, showing up with guns? This is just like the last incident where some rednecks thought the solution to leftism was to blow up a refugee center. They’re not even targeting the right people.

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    • Replies: @Sam J.
    I disagree. I think this is great. If a bunch of crazed rednecks start shooting up the diseased elites in our country maybe they will back off. If it's a false flag then it may be proven to be so. Can't lose either way. We should get Edgar Madison Welch a medal. Defender of Children and Hero of the Revolution!

    Some will say that it will discredit the alt-right or whatever. Like they will ever respect you or your positions. You shouldn't care what the liars say.
  8. D. K. says:
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    • Replies: @D. K.
    The amazingly suspicious listing at IMDb.com appears to be a recent, fraudulent addition, as the film short "Something about Pizza" (2005) in which Mr. Welch is now listed as appearing in as a character identified as merely 'The Gunman' was made in, and apparently only ever shown in, Luxembourg!?! Why would an American minor be appearing in a foreign film short that was supposedly filmed for only about 100 euros? I suspect that either a hoax is being played by the notorious Roger Stone, or else a hoax was deliberately played upon him, as he is pushing the Pizzagate story himself!?!?!
  9. I’m not sure this ploy is going to work for the NYT or other MSM (“fake news”) outlets anymore. Once readers start searching on the internet for further, unbiased info, the floodgates will open. There’s a lot of smoke here. The material on the Podestas alone — the clumsily coded sex emails, the strong evidence of a connection with the McMann girl’s disappearance in Portugal, the viscerally disturbing “art” collection that is primarily depictions of the sado-sexual abuse of children — would inspire a full-scale police investigation of these two Clintonistas if they were just successful businessmen. This leads me to believe that there’s probably a fire, i.e., some seriously evil criminal conspiracy with connections to socialites, politicians, and other establishment figures. Comey has quashed FBI investigations several times now. If there is a revolt pizzagate could evolve into the biggest scandal in the nation’s history; one with global implications.

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  10. ogunsiron says:
    @Stogumber
    Quoting from another article here at unz.com ("Pizzagate", Aedon Cassiel):

    "here is an Instagrammed photo posted by James Alefantis, the owner of Comet Ping Pong that appears innocent enough: a man carrying a young child with a beaded necklace draped around both of their necks. ... The disturbing bit is that the photo uses the tag “#chickenlovers,” and “chicken lover” is in fact an established term to refer to a pedophile — someone who loves “chicken,” which is also unambiguously an established term to refer to underage children (you can see this in the gay slang dictionary subset of the Online Dictionary of Playground Slang)."

    And how do the NYT people explain that?

    We have no tangible proof of actual children being harmed but indeed, what about the extremely strange instagram messages ? What about all the weird baby pictures with the outrageous hahtags and comments ? I’ve been to strange, underground type of places in my life but I’ve never even heard of a gay porn and cannibalism themed restaurant for kids. Is anyone asking jimmycomet about his tendency to sexualize babies ? Is that normal ?

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  11. Eagle Eye says:

    Whole Welch story stinks to high heaven – libtard wet dream: stupid white guy, randomly discharges “dangerous” gun to “investigate” pedophilia, illustrates danger of “fake news,” underscores need for Barry’s clearinghouse of trustworthy official news.

    The entire incident was likely improvised at short notice to detract attention from very dubious goings on. Almost certainly some false flag or patsy operation.

    Podesta’s Wikileaks email traffic is clearly genuine, and clearly uses some kind of code – known to multiple correspondents – to maintain plausible deniability. This in itself only makes sense if the underlying actions are illegal to an extent that even extremely well-connected participants would have to fear criminal sanctions. Pedophilia and/or murder (or both) are the most likely crimes in this league.

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    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    Agreed that the evidence suggests something v bad. But the smoking gun is missing. Where are the victims? Were the children & their parents all paid off? Perhaps threatened into silence or blackmailed?
  12. D. K. says:
    @D. K.
    The plot thickens:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/StoneColdTruth/status/805854662083641344

    The amazingly suspicious listing at IMDb.com appears to be a recent, fraudulent addition, as the film short “Something about Pizza” (2005) in which Mr. Welch is now listed as appearing in as a character identified as merely ‘The Gunman’ was made in, and apparently only ever shown in, Luxembourg!?! Why would an American minor be appearing in a foreign film short that was supposedly filmed for only about 100 euros? I suspect that either a hoax is being played by the notorious Roger Stone, or else a hoax was deliberately played upon him, as he is pushing the Pizzagate story himself!?!?!

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    • Replies: @for-the-record

    The amazingly suspicious listing at IMDb.com appears to be a recent, fraudulent addition, as the film short “Something about Pizza” (2005) in which Mr. Welch is now listed as appearing in as a character identified as merely ‘The Gunman’ was made in, and apparently only ever shown in, Luxembourg!?!
     
    It's real, however. The film is listed in a 2013 self-published book (by LULA.COM) entitled Moving Cameras and Living Movies, page 75, as part of the section "Some famous films shot or filmed in Europe include:"

    You should be able to see it in Google Books:

    https://books.google.pt/books?id=k5rFBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA75&dq=%22Something+about+pizza%22+2005&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiss_X03OLQAhUGf5AKHYy7DYQQ6AEIJTAC#v=onepage&q=%22Something%20about%20pizza%22%202005&f=false

  13. This is fake. Edgar M. Welch is literally an actor, with his own IMDB page. One of his past roles was as “The Gunman” in a 2005 short called Something About Pizza.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2625901/?ref_=tt_cl_t4

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  14. @Eagle Eye
    Whole Welch story stinks to high heaven - libtard wet dream: stupid white guy, randomly discharges "dangerous" gun to "investigate" pedophilia, illustrates danger of "fake news," underscores need for Barry's clearinghouse of trustworthy official news.

    The entire incident was likely improvised at short notice to detract attention from very dubious goings on. Almost certainly some false flag or patsy operation.

    Podesta's Wikileaks email traffic is clearly genuine, and clearly uses some kind of code - known to multiple correspondents - to maintain plausible deniability. This in itself only makes sense if the underlying actions are illegal to an extent that even extremely well-connected participants would have to fear criminal sanctions. Pedophilia and/or murder (or both) are the most likely crimes in this league.

    Agreed that the evidence suggests something v bad. But the smoking gun is missing. Where are the victims? Were the children & their parents all paid off? Perhaps threatened into silence or blackmailed?

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    • Replies: @Eagle Eye
    True - the smoking guns have not been found yet, but this only came to wider attention a few weeks ago.

    Sexual abuse of vulnerable children followed by their murder and disposal has been reported throughout history. In this context, the HAITI angle of Pizzagate may be a missing piece as an operation to obtain untraceable, parent-less children for the sexual gratification of powerful perverts.

    The children could easily have been murdered and the bodies disposed of once the clients tired of them. Alternatively, ritual murder (perhaps followed by cannibalism) could have been the "event" for which third world children without support in the U.S. needed to be imported.

    The U.S. government's bizarre efforts to encourage the importation of "unaccompanied minors" would also be a convenient smokescreen for those interested in slaking their pedophile thirst.
  15. Fake news brings real guns?

    To bring on the real heavy guns, requires mass produced fake news by mass media.

    Like the NYT’s fake news concerning the Iraqi threat in 2003, cheerleading with war propaganda.

    Just as has happened in every war:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/when-fake-news-leads-to-war/

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    • Replies: @Miro23
    Just what I was thinking.

    "In Washington Pizzeria Attack, Fake News Brought Real Guns"

    "In US Invasion of Iraq, Fake (WMD) News Brought a Whole Army"

    With the difference that at Comet Ping Pong nobody died, but in Iraq, the US murdered 100.000's of civilians, at which point the media morphed their Fake WMD story into the Fake "Bringing Democracy" story.

    And maybe Comet Ping Pong isn't fake news after all? How about the NYT investigating rather than jumping to conclusions?
  16. CECILIA KANG AND ADAM GOLDMAN

    Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    • Replies: @Olorin
    Gotta admit, "Kang and Goldman" has a ring to it.

    Under the fold: "Sulzberger and Kodos."
    , @Eagle Eye
    QUOTE: "I voted for Kodos."

    Ha ha. "You have to vote for one of us - it's a two party system."
  17. Hepp says:

    Pizzagate is not “fake news.” I haven’t seen anyone dispute the underlying facts of the case (the Instagram posts, the FBI letter with the pedophile codes, etc.)

    Maybe Pizzagate is a mistaken interpretation of the facts. But “fake news” has generally referred to stuff that is completely made up. Now it means “interpretations of facts we find implausible.” It’s not difficult to see how eventually this will turn into a war on opinions the media doesn’t like.

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  18. @Anon
    You want crazy reality?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-burqa-burka-ban-veils-angela-merkel-cdu-muslims-speech-refugee-crisis-elections-term-vote-a7458536.html

    Merkel lets in millions of invaders but bans a piece of cloth.

    It'd be like Poles and Russians letting in tons of German soldiers but banning the Swastika armband.

    Boots okay, cloth not okay.

    And what better way could you think of to piss off the newly-arrived Muslims while also appeasing some of the stupider resident Germans?

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  19. Olorin says:
    @Stogumber
    Quoting from another article here at unz.com ("Pizzagate", Aedon Cassiel):

    "here is an Instagrammed photo posted by James Alefantis, the owner of Comet Ping Pong that appears innocent enough: a man carrying a young child with a beaded necklace draped around both of their necks. ... The disturbing bit is that the photo uses the tag “#chickenlovers,” and “chicken lover” is in fact an established term to refer to a pedophile — someone who loves “chicken,” which is also unambiguously an established term to refer to underage children (you can see this in the gay slang dictionary subset of the Online Dictionary of Playground Slang)."

    And how do the NYT people explain that?

    how do the NYT people explain that?

    “You’re deplorable.”

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  20. Olorin says:
    @Anon
    You want crazy reality?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-burqa-burka-ban-veils-angela-merkel-cdu-muslims-speech-refugee-crisis-elections-term-vote-a7458536.html

    Merkel lets in millions of invaders but bans a piece of cloth.

    It'd be like Poles and Russians letting in tons of German soldiers but banning the Swastika armband.

    Boots okay, cloth not okay.

    Not “crazy reality.”

    A sudden hot flash of Realpolitik by Mutti.

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  21. Olorin says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    CECILIA KANG AND ADAM GOLDMAN

     

    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

    Gotta admit, “Kang and Goldman” has a ring to it.

    Under the fold: “Sulzberger and Kodos.”

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  22. @D. K.
    The amazingly suspicious listing at IMDb.com appears to be a recent, fraudulent addition, as the film short "Something about Pizza" (2005) in which Mr. Welch is now listed as appearing in as a character identified as merely 'The Gunman' was made in, and apparently only ever shown in, Luxembourg!?! Why would an American minor be appearing in a foreign film short that was supposedly filmed for only about 100 euros? I suspect that either a hoax is being played by the notorious Roger Stone, or else a hoax was deliberately played upon him, as he is pushing the Pizzagate story himself!?!?!

    The amazingly suspicious listing at IMDb.com appears to be a recent, fraudulent addition, as the film short “Something about Pizza” (2005) in which Mr. Welch is now listed as appearing in as a character identified as merely ‘The Gunman’ was made in, and apparently only ever shown in, Luxembourg!?!

    It’s real, however. The film is listed in a 2013 self-published book (by LULA.COM) entitled Moving Cameras and Living Movies, page 75, as part of the section “Some famous films shot or filmed in Europe include:”

    You should be able to see it in Google Books:

    https://books.google.pt/books?id=k5rFBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA75&dq=%22Something+about+pizza%22+2005&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiss_X03OLQAhUGf5AKHYy7DYQQ6AEIJTAC#v=onepage&q=%22Something%20about%20pizza%22%202005&f=false

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    • Replies: @D. K.
    I was not saying that the film short itself did not exist; I was saying that it is highly unlikely that a teenage American with no previous IMDb acting credit was in a film short filmed, and apparently only shown, in Luxembourg, where it was apparently made on a budget of only about 100 euros!?! Someone on Twitter said that the film's IMDb listing was edited a few days ago. I assume that the infamous Comet Ping Pong shooter was added to the cast list-- either as someone's harmless joke, or else as a deliberate hoax that was intended to embarrass anyone who relied upon the seemingly stunning coincidence of the shooter's supposed past as a thespian, or else to convince people that the entire Comet Ping Pong incident was itself a hoax!?!?!
  23. Eagle Eye says:
    @CrunchybutRealistCon
    Agreed that the evidence suggests something v bad. But the smoking gun is missing. Where are the victims? Were the children & their parents all paid off? Perhaps threatened into silence or blackmailed?

    True – the smoking guns have not been found yet, but this only came to wider attention a few weeks ago.

    Sexual abuse of vulnerable children followed by their murder and disposal has been reported throughout history. In this context, the HAITI angle of Pizzagate may be a missing piece as an operation to obtain untraceable, parent-less children for the sexual gratification of powerful perverts.

    The children could easily have been murdered and the bodies disposed of once the clients tired of them. Alternatively, ritual murder (perhaps followed by cannibalism) could have been the “event” for which third world children without support in the U.S. needed to be imported.

    The U.S. government’s bizarre efforts to encourage the importation of “unaccompanied minors” would also be a convenient smokescreen for those interested in slaking their pedophile thirst.

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  24. Eagle Eye says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome


    CECILIA KANG AND ADAM GOLDMAN

     

    Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

    QUOTE: “I voted for Kodos.”

    Ha ha. “You have to vote for one of us – it’s a two party system.”

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  25. D. K. says:
    @for-the-record

    The amazingly suspicious listing at IMDb.com appears to be a recent, fraudulent addition, as the film short “Something about Pizza” (2005) in which Mr. Welch is now listed as appearing in as a character identified as merely ‘The Gunman’ was made in, and apparently only ever shown in, Luxembourg!?!
     
    It's real, however. The film is listed in a 2013 self-published book (by LULA.COM) entitled Moving Cameras and Living Movies, page 75, as part of the section "Some famous films shot or filmed in Europe include:"

    You should be able to see it in Google Books:

    https://books.google.pt/books?id=k5rFBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA75&dq=%22Something+about+pizza%22+2005&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiss_X03OLQAhUGf5AKHYy7DYQQ6AEIJTAC#v=onepage&q=%22Something%20about%20pizza%22%202005&f=false

    I was not saying that the film short itself did not exist; I was saying that it is highly unlikely that a teenage American with no previous IMDb acting credit was in a film short filmed, and apparently only shown, in Luxembourg, where it was apparently made on a budget of only about 100 euros!?! Someone on Twitter said that the film’s IMDb listing was edited a few days ago. I assume that the infamous Comet Ping Pong shooter was added to the cast list– either as someone’s harmless joke, or else as a deliberate hoax that was intended to embarrass anyone who relied upon the seemingly stunning coincidence of the shooter’s supposed past as a thespian, or else to convince people that the entire Comet Ping Pong incident was itself a hoax!?!?!

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  26. Blessent says:

    The eatery, which seats 120, is a mash-up of red and white checkered tablecloths and modernist murals and paintings from friends of Mr. Alefantis.

    –NY Times story at link

    Look at the photo in that linked story, captioned, “Patrons at Comet Ping Pong….”

    Look at the walls.

    Where did all the murals and painting go?

    I see one. The walls are almost totally bare. Like they just recently removed lotsa stuff from the walls.

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    • Replies: @CrunchybutRealistCon
    Yeah, they will surely be in Operation Acid Wash till the heat fades. Getting further evidence will be a feat worthy of Hercule Poirot. Makes you wonder if the early investigators should have kept silent till they had such a mountain of evidence that evasion would be impossible. Surely somebody out there will leak the truth.....
  27. @Blessent

    The eatery, which seats 120, is a mash-up of red and white checkered tablecloths and modernist murals and paintings from friends of Mr. Alefantis.
     
    --NY Times story at link

    Look at the photo in that linked story, captioned, "Patrons at Comet Ping Pong...."

    Look at the walls.

    Where did all the murals and painting go?

    I see one. The walls are almost totally bare. Like they just recently removed lotsa stuff from the walls.

    Yeah, they will surely be in Operation Acid Wash till the heat fades. Getting further evidence will be a feat worthy of Hercule Poirot. Makes you wonder if the early investigators should have kept silent till they had such a mountain of evidence that evasion would be impossible. Surely somebody out there will leak the truth…..

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    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Good points all. What I wonder is, what do the writers and recipients of these seemingly coded emails say themselves as to what are the real meanings of the terms used in the emails? Has anyone of note asked them?

    A refusal to answer in a timely, open and satisfactorily manner would say a lot in itself and would miss a chance to put the matter to rest without further drama.

    Is there a reporter in the house?

  28. @CrunchybutRealistCon
    Yeah, they will surely be in Operation Acid Wash till the heat fades. Getting further evidence will be a feat worthy of Hercule Poirot. Makes you wonder if the early investigators should have kept silent till they had such a mountain of evidence that evasion would be impossible. Surely somebody out there will leak the truth.....

    Good points all. What I wonder is, what do the writers and recipients of these seemingly coded emails say themselves as to what are the real meanings of the terms used in the emails? Has anyone of note asked them?

    A refusal to answer in a timely, open and satisfactorily manner would say a lot in itself and would miss a chance to put the matter to rest without further drama.

    Is there a reporter in the house?

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    • Replies: @Miro23

    Is there a reporter in the house?
     
    Unfortunately not, but if Unz sets up a fund to employ one, I would put forward Daniel Hopsicker. As a gumshoe he's in a class apart.

    No personal connection, I just read his investigation of the Florida side of 9/11 and he's really good at ferreting out hidden information. https://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Terrorland-Mohamed-Cover-up-Florida/dp/0975290673/ref=cm_cr-mr-title
  29. What I find most disturbing about this incident is that it seems the entirely foreseeable outcome of the mainstream media’s effort to utterly delegitimize the pizzagate believers/sympathizers. From the mainstream media’s perspective, anyone who gives credence to pizzagate is either shamelessly malevolent or a hopeless rube.

    I do not think that anyone who actually looks into the claims being made, with an open mind, would take this view. The claims might be wrong. Many of them, I think, are wrong. (To give one example, I am fairly sympathetic to Marina Abramovic, the “spirit-cooking” lady, thinking that some of the stuff she has done, while crazy in some ways, is interesting and honest, and my personal judgement is that she is not involved in any crimes, although I grasp why many might take a different view. I don’t think they are crazy or evil, and I grant that some may have insights I have neglected.) But there are clearly, for anyone who inquires into the facts, reasonable grounds to think about whether some of the claims are correct. When such inquiry is entirely delegitimized by the powers that be, some are liable to conclude that violence is the only option.

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  30. Rod1963 says:

    Shades of the McMartin preschool case all over again.

    The same fools who fell for the Oregon Standoff and McMartin are falling for this.No discernment at all, they fall for the most blatant and insane things imaginable.

    Lunatics who deserve all the ill will thrown at them.

    Sadly I think it’s just a matter of time before some prepper or “oath keeper” type shoots the pizza shop owner out fear that he’s a “satanist”.

    Here’s a tip. Any real twisted and illegal activity is planned via phone or in person, not in e-mail. And it will be conducted in a very private and secure location, especially if it involves people of great power and wealth. These people didn’t get to where they are by being stupid.

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    • Replies: @Greg Bacon

    These people didn’t get to where they are by being stupid.
     
    But being greedy, thieving, lying, mass murdering SOB's sure did help. In other words, we're not dealing with normal people, but unhinged psychos who would do anything to keep their power and money.

    There's an awful lot of smoke at Pizzagate to not have a fire. Add in the strange case of Monika Petersen who was investigating the sordid Clinton scams in Haiti, including child trafficking and she wound up dead.

    https://aceloewgold.com/2016/11/20/pizzagate-clinton-podesta-what-is-it-and-is-it-credible/
    , @Skeptikal
    "These people didn’t get to where they are by being stupid."

    Hmm, I never heard anyone that I considered smart call George W. Bush smart.
    And look where being stupid got him!
    Not that he is part of the pedophilia thing (at least not for purposes of my making this point).
    , @BucephalusXYZ
    Your final paragraph offers the sort of substantive objection that I wish there were more of.

    But here's a counterthought: the restaurant owner is not precisely the sort of power player you are talking about.
    , @jtgw
    I thought the same thing, but then John Podesta let himself be hacked by using "p@ssw0rd" as his password. These people are cunning and malicious, but that doesn't make them infallible or immune to hubris. If they really believed they were above the law and suspicion, I can see them being lax enough to communicate details of nefarious activities in coded emails when smarter people would have known better.
    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    I didn't fall for the Mcmartin daycare crap or the "satanic child abuse" cases that got Janet Reno her AG gig. I've also done a lot of CJS work in areas involving serial murder and the like; even was a consultant to the FBI's VICAP program. There is a lot of material here that screams for a more thorough investigation.

    First, the uncanny resemblance between the police sketches of suspects in the Madeline McMann kidnapping case and the Podesta brothers. These sketches were made back in 2007, long before this case broke. I've seldom seen as good a match between a sketch and the perp when he is ultimately caught. To have a double match this good by chance defies the laws of probability.

    Second, the complete erasure of John Podesta's emails from before 4 May 2007. Madeline McCann disappeared on 3 May 2007. A very odd coincidence.

    Third Podesta's definite ties to at least one pedophile, Dennis Hastert. And plausible links to Clement Freud through Jeffrey Epstein. Both these men are notorious for trafficking in and raping young girls and even arranging orgies involving child abuse.

    Fourth, Tony Podesta's well publicized "art" collection which is replete with images of child abuse and the sado-sexual abuse of young children.

    Fifth, the appearance of symbols associated with pedophilia and child sexual abuse in the logos, advertising, and decoration of a cluster of pizzerias in DC associated with the Podestas and other prominent social and political figures. These symbols were enumerated in 2007 in a purported FBI bulletin (I've been unable to confirm the validity of this bulletin but it was widely disseminated in 2007 and Slate even had an on-line essy on the material.) Why would a cluster of pizzerias all have multiple depictions of symbols publicly associated with the sexual abuse of children as early as 2007? This question becomes even more poignant when we learn that a large swath of these pizzerias' more prominent clientele have had persistent rumors that they were involved in sexual perversions involving children swirling around them for years.

    Sixth, the recurring odd references to food, particularly pizzas and other "fast food" items, that keep cropping up in Podesta's Wikileaked emails. Any half-way alert reader that scans all of these soon notices a persistent pattern suggesting that some kind of code is operating.

    Perhaps any one or two of these "coincidences" might not be suggestive that something dark and monstrously evil is happening. But taken all together they cry to heaven for further investigation.

    That a purge of internet sites and archived MSM materials related to pizzagate occurring as we speak. Neither is the MSM's attempts to brand this as a non-story believed only by kooks. Something is going on here. The smoke is thick, Sooner or later some investigator will discover some undeniable piece of brutally incriminating evidence and this scandal will burst into flames. Until then it is up to the internet's "fake news" sources to keep this story going.
    , @Olorin

    These people didn’t get to where they are by being stupid.
     
    Apart from the fact that there's all kinds of "stupid" in the world, and some of these people do in fact embody some kinds of it...

    ...your point is precisely why the questioning of their actions should be MORE energetic, pointed, and noncompromising.

    Instead what we see is the lickspittle press covering things up, evading investigation, and not following the simple lines of reasoning and 1A common sense response to publicly shared and privately modified information.

    These not-stupid people have one agenda at present: to shore up, by any means necessary, their crumbling power, including propaganda-making, while preventing other forms of fact gathering from emerging and punishing any political dissenters exercising the Job One agenda of the Baby Boomers: QUESTION AUTHORITY.

  31. George says:

    Pizzagate fake newser turns out to be part of some sort of left wing psy ops gone wild, vaguely the Frankenstein Monster .

    Fake News, Real Consequences | Full Frontal with Samantha Bee | TBS

    I like the part where they have to explain to Samantha Bee’s audience what a 30 odd 6 is.

    ‘Psychotic PCP’ rage, because we are talking about poor white people.

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  32. Ben H says:

    None of the ‘debunking’ articles have done anything more than assert that “this is a conspiracy theory, nothing to see here.” There is no acknowledgment of facts, such as the spirit cooking liturgies, offensive posts on Instagram, or pedophilic symbolism on a restaurant owned by someone who should know better. It smells like influential people calling in favors, not like independent journalists doing a professional job.

    Personally I’d love to hear the ‘other side of the story’. Why are people going to these bizarre and disgusting ceremonies? Why did you think to make a jokey reference to pedophilia and ‘hotards’? Why did your business have that symbol and why did you change it? Why did the WaPo briefly remove then put back up a story which included the information that one of the Podesta brothers has artistic photos of naked children at his house?

    That’s what journalists are supposed to do, right, ask questions? Instead we get naked assertions.

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  33. @J1234
    I'm just wondering when Jill Stein's Russian hack of the election theory is going to be recognized by the MSM as a result of "fake news". Pretty sure never. This armed guy and Jill Stein are at about the same level of gullibility. So far, the Wisconsin recount isn't turning out any different than election day results.

    What cau$ed $tein to a$k for a recount of the vote$? Go$h, $he $eemed $o real, wa$ I $illy to expect at lea$t one candidate to be hone$t?

    Jill needs a nickname, like ‘Dollar $tein.’

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    Her nickname is "Jill." Commonly known as Shill "Jill" Stein.
  34. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Rod1963
    Shades of the McMartin preschool case all over again.

    The same fools who fell for the Oregon Standoff and McMartin are falling for this.No discernment at all, they fall for the most blatant and insane things imaginable.

    Lunatics who deserve all the ill will thrown at them.

    Sadly I think it's just a matter of time before some prepper or "oath keeper" type shoots the pizza shop owner out fear that he's a "satanist".

    Here's a tip. Any real twisted and illegal activity is planned via phone or in person, not in e-mail. And it will be conducted in a very private and secure location, especially if it involves people of great power and wealth. These people didn't get to where they are by being stupid.

    These people didn’t get to where they are by being stupid.

    But being greedy, thieving, lying, mass murdering SOB’s sure did help. In other words, we’re not dealing with normal people, but unhinged psychos who would do anything to keep their power and money.

    There’s an awful lot of smoke at Pizzagate to not have a fire. Add in the strange case of Monika Petersen who was investigating the sordid Clinton scams in Haiti, including child trafficking and she wound up dead.

    https://aceloewgold.com/2016/11/20/pizzagate-clinton-podesta-what-is-it-and-is-it-credible/

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  35. woodNfish says:

    The articles were soon exposed as false by publications including The New York Times, The Washington Post and the fact-checking website Snopes.

    Bwaaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-HA! Funniest load of bullshit I’ve read all day. Not a single one of those presstitute shitholes have any credibility! Snopes checks facts? Bwaaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-HA! Only a complete dumbass gruber would believe that lie!

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  36. Skeptikal says:
    @Rod1963
    Shades of the McMartin preschool case all over again.

    The same fools who fell for the Oregon Standoff and McMartin are falling for this.No discernment at all, they fall for the most blatant and insane things imaginable.

    Lunatics who deserve all the ill will thrown at them.

    Sadly I think it's just a matter of time before some prepper or "oath keeper" type shoots the pizza shop owner out fear that he's a "satanist".

    Here's a tip. Any real twisted and illegal activity is planned via phone or in person, not in e-mail. And it will be conducted in a very private and secure location, especially if it involves people of great power and wealth. These people didn't get to where they are by being stupid.

    “These people didn’t get to where they are by being stupid.”

    Hmm, I never heard anyone that I considered smart call George W. Bush smart.
    And look where being stupid got him!
    Not that he is part of the pedophilia thing (at least not for purposes of my making this point).

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  37. Maybe Jeff Sessions will show up at Trump Tower with some experts in child trafficking. Trump can tweet something like “Fighting child-trafficking will be a top priority in the next administration’s Justice Department.”

    Perhaps Trump can restore confidence in the rule of law where the MSM has failed.

    Let The Donald Do It.

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  38. @Rod1963
    Shades of the McMartin preschool case all over again.

    The same fools who fell for the Oregon Standoff and McMartin are falling for this.No discernment at all, they fall for the most blatant and insane things imaginable.

    Lunatics who deserve all the ill will thrown at them.

    Sadly I think it's just a matter of time before some prepper or "oath keeper" type shoots the pizza shop owner out fear that he's a "satanist".

    Here's a tip. Any real twisted and illegal activity is planned via phone or in person, not in e-mail. And it will be conducted in a very private and secure location, especially if it involves people of great power and wealth. These people didn't get to where they are by being stupid.

    Your final paragraph offers the sort of substantive objection that I wish there were more of.

    But here’s a counterthought: the restaurant owner is not precisely the sort of power player you are talking about.

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  39. Eagle Eye says:
    @Greg Bacon
    What cau$ed $tein to a$k for a recount of the vote$? Go$h, $he $eemed $o real, wa$ I $illy to expect at lea$t one candidate to be hone$t?

    Jill needs a nickname, like 'Dollar $tein.'

    Her nickname is “Jill.” Commonly known as Shill “Jill” Stein.

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  40. jtgw says:
    @Rod1963
    Shades of the McMartin preschool case all over again.

    The same fools who fell for the Oregon Standoff and McMartin are falling for this.No discernment at all, they fall for the most blatant and insane things imaginable.

    Lunatics who deserve all the ill will thrown at them.

    Sadly I think it's just a matter of time before some prepper or "oath keeper" type shoots the pizza shop owner out fear that he's a "satanist".

    Here's a tip. Any real twisted and illegal activity is planned via phone or in person, not in e-mail. And it will be conducted in a very private and secure location, especially if it involves people of great power and wealth. These people didn't get to where they are by being stupid.

    I thought the same thing, but then John Podesta let himself be hacked by using “p@ssw0rd” as his password. These people are cunning and malicious, but that doesn’t make them infallible or immune to hubris. If they really believed they were above the law and suspicion, I can see them being lax enough to communicate details of nefarious activities in coded emails when smarter people would have known better.

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  41. n230099 says:

    Let’s too remember that three psychopaths, Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, and Samantha Power, ‘faked’ the story about a pending ‘genocide’ in Libya. They caused the murder of the leader of a sovereign nation. The bodies of children, to this day, wash up on the shores of Italy because of the hysteria these lunatics fomented with their version “fake news”. Well done ladies.

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  42. @Rod1963
    Shades of the McMartin preschool case all over again.

    The same fools who fell for the Oregon Standoff and McMartin are falling for this.No discernment at all, they fall for the most blatant and insane things imaginable.

    Lunatics who deserve all the ill will thrown at them.

    Sadly I think it's just a matter of time before some prepper or "oath keeper" type shoots the pizza shop owner out fear that he's a "satanist".

    Here's a tip. Any real twisted and illegal activity is planned via phone or in person, not in e-mail. And it will be conducted in a very private and secure location, especially if it involves people of great power and wealth. These people didn't get to where they are by being stupid.

    I didn’t fall for the Mcmartin daycare crap or the “satanic child abuse” cases that got Janet Reno her AG gig. I’ve also done a lot of CJS work in areas involving serial murder and the like; even was a consultant to the FBI’s VICAP program. There is a lot of material here that screams for a more thorough investigation.

    First, the uncanny resemblance between the police sketches of suspects in the Madeline McMann kidnapping case and the Podesta brothers. These sketches were made back in 2007, long before this case broke. I’ve seldom seen as good a match between a sketch and the perp when he is ultimately caught. To have a double match this good by chance defies the laws of probability.

    Second, the complete erasure of John Podesta’s emails from before 4 May 2007. Madeline McCann disappeared on 3 May 2007. A very odd coincidence.

    Third Podesta’s definite ties to at least one pedophile, Dennis Hastert. And plausible links to Clement Freud through Jeffrey Epstein. Both these men are notorious for trafficking in and raping young girls and even arranging orgies involving child abuse.

    Fourth, Tony Podesta’s well publicized “art” collection which is replete with images of child abuse and the sado-sexual abuse of young children.

    Fifth, the appearance of symbols associated with pedophilia and child sexual abuse in the logos, advertising, and decoration of a cluster of pizzerias in DC associated with the Podestas and other prominent social and political figures. These symbols were enumerated in 2007 in a purported FBI bulletin (I’ve been unable to confirm the validity of this bulletin but it was widely disseminated in 2007 and Slate even had an on-line essy on the material.) Why would a cluster of pizzerias all have multiple depictions of symbols publicly associated with the sexual abuse of children as early as 2007? This question becomes even more poignant when we learn that a large swath of these pizzerias’ more prominent clientele have had persistent rumors that they were involved in sexual perversions involving children swirling around them for years.

    Sixth, the recurring odd references to food, particularly pizzas and other “fast food” items, that keep cropping up in Podesta’s Wikileaked emails. Any half-way alert reader that scans all of these soon notices a persistent pattern suggesting that some kind of code is operating.

    Perhaps any one or two of these “coincidences” might not be suggestive that something dark and monstrously evil is happening. But taken all together they cry to heaven for further investigation.

    That a purge of internet sites and archived MSM materials related to pizzagate occurring as we speak. Neither is the MSM’s attempts to brand this as a non-story believed only by kooks. Something is going on here. The smoke is thick, Sooner or later some investigator will discover some undeniable piece of brutally incriminating evidence and this scandal will burst into flames. Until then it is up to the internet’s “fake news” sources to keep this story going.

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  43. Miro23 says:
    @Fran Macadam
    Fake news brings real guns?

    To bring on the real heavy guns, requires mass produced fake news by mass media.

    Like the NYT's fake news concerning the Iraqi threat in 2003, cheerleading with war propaganda.

    Just as has happened in every war:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/when-fake-news-leads-to-war/

    Just what I was thinking.

    “In Washington Pizzeria Attack, Fake News Brought Real Guns”

    “In US Invasion of Iraq, Fake (WMD) News Brought a Whole Army”

    With the difference that at Comet Ping Pong nobody died, but in Iraq, the US murdered 100.000′s of civilians, at which point the media morphed their Fake WMD story into the Fake “Bringing Democracy” story.

    And maybe Comet Ping Pong isn’t fake news after all? How about the NYT investigating rather than jumping to conclusions?

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  44. Miro23 says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Good points all. What I wonder is, what do the writers and recipients of these seemingly coded emails say themselves as to what are the real meanings of the terms used in the emails? Has anyone of note asked them?

    A refusal to answer in a timely, open and satisfactorily manner would say a lot in itself and would miss a chance to put the matter to rest without further drama.

    Is there a reporter in the house?

    Is there a reporter in the house?

    Unfortunately not, but if Unz sets up a fund to employ one, I would put forward Daniel Hopsicker. As a gumshoe he’s in a class apart.

    No personal connection, I just read his investigation of the Florida side of 9/11 and he’s really good at ferreting out hidden information. https://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Terrorland-Mohamed-Cover-up-Florida/dp/0975290673/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

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    A must read, thanks. He sounds like a Bulldog. The stack of books waiting to be read by me is growing faster than that of those read. As it should be. Cheers
  45. Olorin says:
    @Rod1963
    Shades of the McMartin preschool case all over again.

    The same fools who fell for the Oregon Standoff and McMartin are falling for this.No discernment at all, they fall for the most blatant and insane things imaginable.

    Lunatics who deserve all the ill will thrown at them.

    Sadly I think it's just a matter of time before some prepper or "oath keeper" type shoots the pizza shop owner out fear that he's a "satanist".

    Here's a tip. Any real twisted and illegal activity is planned via phone or in person, not in e-mail. And it will be conducted in a very private and secure location, especially if it involves people of great power and wealth. These people didn't get to where they are by being stupid.

    These people didn’t get to where they are by being stupid.

    Apart from the fact that there’s all kinds of “stupid” in the world, and some of these people do in fact embody some kinds of it…

    …your point is precisely why the questioning of their actions should be MORE energetic, pointed, and noncompromising.

    Instead what we see is the lickspittle press covering things up, evading investigation, and not following the simple lines of reasoning and 1A common sense response to publicly shared and privately modified information.

    These not-stupid people have one agenda at present: to shore up, by any means necessary, their crumbling power, including propaganda-making, while preventing other forms of fact gathering from emerging and punishing any political dissenters exercising the Job One agenda of the Baby Boomers: QUESTION AUTHORITY.

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  46. @Miro23

    Is there a reporter in the house?
     
    Unfortunately not, but if Unz sets up a fund to employ one, I would put forward Daniel Hopsicker. As a gumshoe he's in a class apart.

    No personal connection, I just read his investigation of the Florida side of 9/11 and he's really good at ferreting out hidden information. https://www.amazon.com/Welcome-Terrorland-Mohamed-Cover-up-Florida/dp/0975290673/ref=cm_cr-mr-title

    A must read, thanks. He sounds like a Bulldog. The stack of books waiting to be read by me is growing faster than that of those read. As it should be. Cheers

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  47. Sam J. says:
    @Jason Liu
    Welch is a dumb fuck. What did he think he was going to do, showing up with guns? This is just like the last incident where some rednecks thought the solution to leftism was to blow up a refugee center. They're not even targeting the right people.

    I disagree. I think this is great. If a bunch of crazed rednecks start shooting up the diseased elites in our country maybe they will back off. If it’s a false flag then it may be proven to be so. Can’t lose either way. We should get Edgar Madison Welch a medal. Defender of Children and Hero of the Revolution!

    Some will say that it will discredit the alt-right or whatever. Like they will ever respect you or your positions. You shouldn’t care what the liars say.

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  48. biz says:
    @Stogumber
    Quoting from another article here at unz.com ("Pizzagate", Aedon Cassiel):

    "here is an Instagrammed photo posted by James Alefantis, the owner of Comet Ping Pong that appears innocent enough: a man carrying a young child with a beaded necklace draped around both of their necks. ... The disturbing bit is that the photo uses the tag “#chickenlovers,” and “chicken lover” is in fact an established term to refer to a pedophile — someone who loves “chicken,” which is also unambiguously an established term to refer to underage children (you can see this in the gay slang dictionary subset of the Online Dictionary of Playground Slang)."

    And how do the NYT people explain that?

    Actually, more immediately, how do I know that supposed instagram screen capture is real? And how do I know that the offending hashtag wasn’t photoshopped in at some point?

    There is a lot of irrational selective incredulity around here. The NY Times must be lying (I’m not saying they’re not) but an unsourced jpeg off the internet of absolutely unknown pedigree is taken as god’s honest truth.

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