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SAN FRANCISCO — A top executive and daughter of the founder of the Chinese tech giant Huawei was arrested on Saturday in Canada at the request of the United States, in a move likely to escalate tensions between the two countries at a delicate moment.

The arrest of Meng Wanzhou, the chief financial officer, unfolded on the same night that President Trump and President Xi Jinping of China dined together in Buenos Aires and agreed to a 90-day trade truce. The two countries are set to begin tense negotiations in hopes of ending a trade war that has been pummeling both economies.

Those talks now face an even steeper challenge. The aim will be for the United States to ease its tariffs; in exchange, China will be expected to lower trade barriers and further open its markets to American businesses.

What’s more, Ms. Meng’s detention raises questions about the Trump administration’s overall China strategy. Beijing is now likely to pressure Canada to release her and to press the United States to avoid a trial.

“The arrest of a family member linked to Huawei’s founder indicates how the tension between the two sides is rapidly escalating,” said T.J. Pempel, a professor of political science at the University of California, Berkeley, who specializes in East Asian politics and economy.

Ms. Meng, who joined Huawei in 1993 and is also a deputy chairwoman, was taken into custody in Vancouver on Dec. 1, said Ian McLeod, a spokesman for Canada’s Justice Department. He said she was “sought for extradition by the United States” but did not give a reason for what prompted the arrest. He added that a publication ban requested by Ms. Meng prevented him from providing any further details. A bail hearing has been set for Friday.

Senator Ben Sasse, a Republican of Nebraska, linked the arrest to the American sanctions against Iran.

Mr. Sasse said China had been “working to creatively undermine our national security interests, and the United States and our allies can’t sit on the sidelines.” He added that “Americans are grateful that our Canadian partners have arrested the chief financial officer of a giant Chinese telecom company for breaking U.S. sanctions against Iran.”

Huawei, China’s largest telecom equipment maker, has been under investigation into whether it had broken American trade controls to countries including Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria.

 
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  1. anarchyst says:

    Since when does the USA have jurisdiction over foreigners?

    • Replies: @Fran Macadam
    , @Bubba
  2. Beibdnn says:

    Oh dear. Canada shows the level they have descended to. The U.S.A. had better enjoy it’s rapidly diminishing popularity whilst it lasts because this National Security bullcr*p is becoming risable. Washington trying to strong arm China’s rapidly expanding economy and high tech electronics and other industries by mob bully boy tactics will eventually blow up in their faces, leaving them very burned.

  3. “Americans are grateful that our Canadian partners have arrested the chief financial officer of a giant Chinese telecom company for breaking U.S. sanctions against Iran.”

    Imperial Washington’s jurisdiction is the Earth. Got it.

    How shall we address Ms. Wanzhou? Political prisoner? Hostage?

  4. Ronnie says:

    Interesting that a famous Chinese physicist Zhang Shoucheng who is a Prof at Stanford died on December 1st after a battle with depression – perhaps he was connected to Ms Meng or Huawei in some way. The Chinese must have people advising them on how to do these things and what is the best strategy. The family of Prof Zhang denied Chinese social media rumors that his death was due to US-China tensions or the arrest of Huawei’s CFO. Many rumours circulated on Chinese social media about his sudden demise, some trying to build links between his death to a possible US government investigation under Section 301 of US trade law into Zhang’s Danhua capital and even stretching to connect it to the arrest of Huawei’s CFO Meng Wanzhou on the same day.
    In a exclusive interview with the South China Morning Post, a representative of the family said “there is no truth to this uninformed speculation”.

  5. JLK says:

    There’s no doubt that this is a major escalation, and that China will think of some way to forcibly retaliate. I’d be worried if I was a General Motors exec.

  6. Odin Gray says:

    This is one of the occasions when it is embarrassing to be a Canadian.

    With the senior Trudeau, we had at least some semblance of independent foreign policy.

    With the failed drama teacher son, we are clearly just another lapdog of the Trump regime.

    • Replies: @Tulips
    , @Pontius
    , @Joe Wong
  7. Ron Unz says:

    Well, I’d say the closest analogy that comes to mind is when Prince Salman of Saudi Arabia kidnapped the Prime Minister of Lebanon earlier this year and held him hostage. Later he more successfully did the same with hundreds of the wealthiest Saudis, extorting something like $100 billion in ransom before releasing them.

    We should actually be a bit grateful to Prince Salman since without him America would clearly have the most insane government anywhere in the world. As it stands, we’re merely tied for first.

    This reminds me of a comment I wrote a couple of years ago:

    Or to apply a far harsher biological metaphor, consider a poor canine infected with the rabies virus. The virus may have no brain and its body-weight is probably less than one-millionth that of the host, but once it has seized control of the central nervous system, the animal, big brain and all, becomes a helpless puppet.

    Once friendly Fido runs around foaming at the mouth, barking at the sky, and trying to bite all the other animals it can reach. Its friends and relatives are saddened by its plight but stay well clear, hoping to avoid infection before the inevitable happens, and poor Fido finally collapses dead in a heap.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/sane-gessen-a-nice-putin-wouldnt-behave-much-differently/#comment-884397

    I’ve been saying for years that I really wouldn’t be surprised if the ultimate endpoint of our national trajectory is a wholesale popular massacre of all our ruling political, financial, media, and intellectual elites…

  8. @anarchyst

    Ever since it could enforce it. Look at the Assange asylum issue – a foreign news editor, outside the U.S., is de facto incarcerated while awaiting deportation to the U.S., for revealing to the U.S. public the duplicity of political elites.

    The sovereignty issue is a little different than it looks; it’s Wall Street globalism that is using the U.S. legal infrastructure and military as its headquarters and enforcer, and is abusing the nation’s citizens and their resources for its own aims; it has no genuine loyalty to the people of the United States nor do its interests coincide with them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  9. What China needs to do for Ms Meng Wanzhou. is go nuclear in a Canadian court presentation, with the same material that has stopped other extraditions to the USA

    With all the evidence of corruption in USA federal courts and US Justice Department, proving that DOJ & USA judges are too tainted by corruption, extortion, intimidation and bribery, especially against foreign targets

    As shown in the recent US Dept of Justice Inspector General filing on crimes involving Robert Mueller, in the targeting and terrorist harassment of an EU citizen, as part of a scheme in which Mueller’s law firm friends joined in apparent bribery of two USA federal judges, discussed recently on a Canadian website

    It is clear that a politically-targeted foreign citizen cannot have a fair trial in the USA under current circumstances

    US federal court perjury is being welcomed by grinning, smirking, suborned US fed judges and DOJ high officials … honest DOJ officials and FBI agents at lower levels, are being silenced and quashed by higher-up DOJ gangsters

    DOJ officials have been selling we-won’t-prosecute ‘comfort letters’ to their bribe-paying friends committing terrorist and court fraud felonies against foreign citizen targets

    Lawyers are being intimidated, extorted, and threatened, from presenting a defence of USA legal system political targets, losing their law licences and worse if they disobey

    Racism (the real kind, not the fake SJW kind) and anti-foreigner malice amongst high DOJ officials and USA fed judges, is not punished

    Major USA legal system participants laugh and shout about ‘Bribed American judges, motherf-cker!’, and how ‘orders to Google’ are being generated to hide their own crimes … which all passes for ‘cleverness’ in USA ‘justice’, as noted in the Mueller filing above

    • Replies: @JLK
  10. LondonBob says:

    This is just completely nuts. Trump has empowered the neocon loons to an extent even Bush the Younger didn’t. As Peter Hitchens said the US needs to be treated like Soviet Union, an ideological power bent on destabilisation that needs to be contained.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  11. The problem I, as an American living abroad, have with this is that it puts a sign on our backs that tells foreign governments it is OK to grab Americans off their streets when they need a little leverage vis á vis the US.

    If we’re lucky, she’ll get bail and flee the jurisdiction of Canada while a dubious extradition is being debated by an honest Canadian politico, if one exists.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  12. LondonBob says:
    @The Alarmist

    Yes, it makes it risky for an American businessman to go to China, lawlessness begats lawlessness.

  13. JLK says:
    @Brabantian

    What China needs to do for Ms Meng Wanzhou. is go nuclear in a Canadian court presentation, with the same material that has stopped other extraditions to the USA

    China’s intelligence services no doubt have a lot of embarrassing historical dirt on the United States much in the manner that Russia’s do. So far, we haven’t seen any of it from either country, which leads me to think that the US has even more power over the rest of the world than it appears.

    We’ll no doubt learn more by how China responds over the next few weeks.

  14. ‘Senator Ben Sasse, a Republican of Nebraska, linked the arrest to the American sanctions against Iran.

    Mr. Sasse said China had been “working to creatively undermine our national security interests, and the United States and our allies can’t sit on the sidelines.” He added that “Americans are grateful that our Canadian partners have arrested the chief financial officer of a giant Chinese telecom company for breaking U.S. sanctions against Iran.”…’

    Ah. Now this makes a kind of sense. It’s about making the world take Israel’s demands for a global campaign against Iran seriously.

    • Agree: renfro, T. Weed
    • Replies: @renfro
  15. eah says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’ve been saying for years

    Well, the closest I’ve come to that is when I expressed the following a few years ago: I now understand better why they brought out the guillotine during the French Revolution.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. eah says:

    Senator Ben Sasse, a Republican of Nebraska, linked the arrest to the American sanctions against Iran.

    If true then it’s a new low for ZOG control of America — and it is to be hoped an acceleration event for more ‘normies’ who haven’t gotten that message yet.

    Trump had a chance to do with Iran what Obama did with Cuba (one of the things I give Obama credit for) and what he did with North Korea — instead he chose to go full ZOG on Iran, escalating tensions — sad — if MAD was good enough for the US and the USSR during the Cold War, it’s good enough for Iran and Israel today.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  17. @LondonBob

    ‘This is just completely nuts. Trump has empowered the neocon loons to an extent even Bush the Younger didn’t. As Peter Hitchens said the US needs to be treated like Soviet Union, an ideological power bent on destabilisation that needs to be contained.’

    You need to understand. We have to obey Master…

  18. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    Well, the closest I’ve come to that is when I expressed the following a few years ago: I now understand better why they brought out the guillotine during the French Revolution.

    No, expect to see them liquidated in the most ignominious and gruesome manner. Perhaps randomly immolated.

  19. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Neocon madness might have us all massacred. Incinerated in a thermonuclear war. From Col. Pat Lang’s blog:

    James Jeffrey wants no-fly-zone over Syria… all of Syria

    This is flat nuts… Marx Brothers in Duck Soup nuts. Hail Freedonia! Jeffrey, Bolton and others, both in the USG and in the Coalition countries, want to attempt to impose a no-fly-zone over the whole of Syria in order to force all Iranians out of Syria and to ensure regime change in Damascus. It would take an all out assault by the entire Coalition of the Clueless to even attempt to suppress the Russian-Syrian integrated air defense and REC network in place in Syria. That’s all out war.

    In addition to this foolish idea, Jeffrey calls for “pulling the plug” on the Sochi and Astana talks. In an effort to one up Jeffrey, the former UK ambassador to Syria added this to the madness:

    “The United States regards its presence in Syria as a strategic tool and will maintain it unless Iran withdraws its forces from the country, which is a highly unlikely scenario, former UK Ambassador to Syria Peter Ford told Sputnik. “The United States regards this territory as pawns in a chess game. It will not surrender any of these pawns except in return for, principally, withdrawal of Iranian forces from Syria,” Ford said.”

    I’d like to see Ford stand in front of a formation of YPG/YPJ fighters and call them pawns in a chess game and strategic tools. He’ll end up buried in a shallow, unmarked grave… or left in the desert for the carrion crows.

    How is this happening? Are the heads of state of the entire Western Coalition so distracted that the neocon rats feel free to run amuck? Perhaps. Macron is up his neck in yellow jackets. May has Brexit hanging over her head. Merkel has a crumbling government. And Trump has a host of alligators nipping at his ass. Somebody needs to set some neocon rat traps.

    Trump is far too chummy with MbS and Netanyahu and has his own personal animosity toward Iran. This is probably allowing him to be swayed by Pompeo, Jeffrey and Bolton to acquiesce to this meshuggah Syrian policy. I may not like the man, but I sincerely wish somebody would step up and rescue him from the cabal of neocon Grima Wormtongues that surround him. He is our President. It would do all of us and Trump a world of good.

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/12/james-jeffrey-wants-no-fly-zone-over-syria-all-of-syria-ttg.html

    • Replies: @nsa
  20. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Ever since it could enforce it. Look at the Assange asylum issue – a foreign news editor, outside the U.S., is de facto incarcerated while awaiting deportation to the U.S., for revealing to the U.S. public the duplicity of political elites.

    And U.S./Western media has as much hostility toward Assange as Deep State does. Maybe because they are controlled by the same demonic oligarchs? What was true of the press being controlled by the oligarchs a century ago when Belloc wrote The Free Press and referred to them as “The Capitalist Press” is triply true with the modern media today.

  21. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    If true then it’s a new low for ZOG control of America

    I happened to search for literature from the late Father Leonard Feeney on the Internet Archive. Fr. Feeney was a very strict conservative Jesuit in Boston and Cambridge who was very influential. He was a smart guy with an Oxford Ph.D. and he is the only priest Fulton Sheen would allow to substitute for him on his radio program. Feeney was silenced by the Kennedys and the Catholic bishops due to pressure from the Jews in Boston. After being excommunicated for not disavowing the two-millennia old established Catholic doctrine extra Ecclesiam nulla salus (there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church), Feeney formed a group called St. Benedict’s Center.

    Anyway, I was looking through the FOIA file from the FBI on Feeney’s group and almost all of the information and intelligence was provided to the Boston FBI by the ADL and its other entities, “Military Intelligence Association of New England” and “National Counter Intelligence Corps Association” (nb: all of these groups, including the ADL, were located at 72 Franklin Street, Suite 504, Boston, Massachusetts). We’re talking about stuff from the 1950’s and Boston field office of the FBI, against a Catholic group, and when you read through the correspondence you see the FBI was completely servile to the ADL and its subsidiaries. Shocking.

    https://archive.org/details/LeonardFeeney

    • Replies: @eah
  22. nsa says:
    @Anonymous

    “He is our President.”
    Our? Are you a jew?

    • LOL: eah
  23. Eighthman says:

    Just to be clear, this arrest was not done under any past UN resolution ? I can’t find any comment on that or info. about it.

    If it is done under US law alone, then it should be considered an act of war.

    • Replies: @Joe Wong
  24. eah says:
    @Anonymous

    Father Leonard Feeney

    Thanks for that — I was not familiar with him — I’ve developed some admiration for Father Coughlin — his broadcasts are like a time capsule…

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. Tulips says:
    @Odin Gray

    I, too, am Canadian, and I, too, am dismayed by this “kidnapping”. Of the daughter of a rich foreign business man. Looks like extortion. Looks like Canada also is becoming a land without rule-of-law. Two summers ago I took my family to Canada’s national “museum of civilization” to see an exhibit of an original copy of the Magna Carta, the founding document of human rights in English common law. The key right of which is habeas corpus. Justin Trudeau lives walking distance to that museum, but must not have gone.

  26. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Yeah America is such a rabid pariah outlier for going after Huawei.

    In November, New Zealand barred Huawei from supplying a local mobile network with 5G equipment.

    The US and Australia had already closed the door on Huawei’s involvement in their next-generation mobile networks.

    Canada is carrying out a security review of Huawei’s products.

    UK service provider BT is removing Huawei kit from the core of its 5G network.

    On 7 December, the EU’s technology commissioner Andrus Ansip said countries “have to be worried” about Chinese manufacturers.

  27. eah says:

    OT

    Trump has gone 100% politically tone deaf.

  28. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    Dr. E. Michael Jones is in the mold of Frs. Feeney and Coughlin. Ultraconservative Catholic scholar who is way beyond red pill level. And he’s also the antithesis of a white nationalist and frustrates those WN programs that have him on to discuss Jewish influence and then hear his views on race which are comparable to that of a Stanford sociologist. Here’s a recent program with Jean-Francois Gariépy, a French-Canadian (now American citizen) who is (was?) a post-doc fellow in neuroscience at Duke interviewing Jones:

    • Replies: @eah
    , @eah
  29. Denis says:

    Having read some of the comments, one thing that occurs to me is that the intent behind this (really rather brazen) move could be to generate mistrust and hostility towards American citizens abroad, especially in Russia and China. If the governments of those countries respond by arresting American businessmen, or at least probing and investigating their business activities, that would hamper Americans’ ability and willingness to invest their money in nations considered to be America’s ‘enemies’.

  30. Avery says:
    @Ron Unz

    {Or to apply a far harsher biological metaphor…… Fido finally collapses dead in a heap.}

    One of the best metaphors out there to describe US Gov and “elites”, Ron.

    Sadly, when Fido finally collapses in a heap, it will also cause the premature, violent deaths of multitudes of innocent bystanders.

  31. Mith says:

    moonofalabama provides some very interesting information on this matter.

    • Replies: @renfro
  32. eah says:
    @Anonymous

    Thanks — you are probably also familiar with Fr Denis Fahey — I have and can recommend his books ‘Money Manipulation and Social Order’, and ‘The Mystical Body of Christ in the Modern World’.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  33. JLK says:

    The NYT is alleging that Huawei “tricked” US banks into violating sanctions on Iran. I guess this means they won’t be fined $9B like a French bank.

  34. Only 7 comments showing. Using Windows ten and Firefox.

    • Replies: @WorkingClass
  35. @WorkingClass

    As soon as I hit Publish all the comments came up.

  36. Anonymous[346] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    Yes, I have read Fr. Fahey’s books. Here’s a good site which has a few of his book and many other excellent ones, all free: http://www.traditionalcatholic.co/free-catholicbooks/

    Here’s a great piece on Fr. Leonard Feeney, S.J. It is an obituary written by the late Avery Cardinal Dulles, S.J., who was influenced by Feeney while at Harvard and no doubt became a Catholic and later Jesuit and a theologian because of Feeney. As you probably know, Avery Dulles was the son of John Foster Dulles and nephew of Allen Dulles. Anyway, this is good obit on Fr. Feeney. And it has a good ending because Feeney was reconciled to the Church before passing into eternal life.

    http://catholicpunditwannabe.blogspot.com/2013/12/leonard-feeney-in-memoriam-by-fr-avery.html

  37. The comments on this post are flakier than fuck.

    Foreign companies can only receive an export of a controlled item from US companies on condition of not re-exporting the item in violation of US law. This is an established, well-known and sensible provision of US export law, and one that China itself is about to enact.

    Huawei does tons of business in the US and Canada. So sorry. Ms. Meng, but you shouldn’t have changed planes where someone could bag you.

    • Replies: @eah
  38. The motive for the war undertaken by Washington against Huawei is deep-rooted and spurious are the justifications.

    The heart of the problem is that Huawei uses a system of encryption that prevents the NSA from intercepting its communications. A number of governments and secret services in the non-Western world have begun to equip themselves exclusively with Huawei materials, and are doing so to protect the confidentiality of their communications.

    Convincing Cisco or some other U.S. company to leave back doors in their equipment is quite simple. One can always threaten the management or board of these companies with some tax investigation or over other shady activities. That is not so easy when the company is hosted in China. It requires the NSA and others to use more expensive efforts to reach their aim:

    The National Security Agency breached Huawei servers years ago in an effort to investigate its operations and its ties to Chinese security agencies and the military, and to create back doors so the National Security Agency could roam in networks around the globe wherever Huawei equipment was used.

    • Replies: @JLK
  39. renfro says:
    @Ron Unz

    ….endpoint of our national trajectory is a wholesale popular massacre of all our ruling political, financial, media, and intellectual elites…

    If only wishing could make it so.

    • Agree: Realist
  40. renfro says:
    @Colin Wright

    So what is the US going to do about Israel violating resale of US F16s ? ……arrest the Israel Ambassador?

    The world is sick of the US sanction shit on all the Jewish states enemies.
    The China firm can just pack up and move back to China…just like Harley Davidson left and GM is leaving…..that two icons of American creation are leaving the country should you something.

    https://theweek.com/speedreads/811556/israel-are-rare-tiff-over-blocked-jet-deal-croatia

    ”The deal, which was announced by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu last March, would involve Israel selling Croatia 12 refurbished U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets. The U.S. never gave Israel permission to sell the jets, per Axios, and Washington began alerting Israeli officials three weeks ago that they would block the deal.

    Israel upgraded the jets with their own technology as a selling point for the Croatians to buy from them rather than directly from the U.S., which angered the Americans, according to Israeli officials. The U.S. claims Israel was never supposed to sell the jets without receiving American approval first, and has accused Israel of trying to profit off U.S. equipment and the thus-far strong relationship between Netanyahu and the Trump administration.”

  41. eah says:
    @Faraday's Bobcat

    Your comment consists of three consecutive non-sequiturs — and yes, you guessed it, that means it’s “flakier than fuck”.

    McLeod said the Canadian Justice Department can’t share details of the case. Meng was granted a publication ban after a judge agreed to bar both police and prosecutors from releasing information about the case.

    But you know all about the matter.

    The arrest, while notable, did not come out of the blue. Reuters reported in April that U.S. authorities were investigating what has grown to be one of the world’s largest smartphone manufacturers for the “alleged shipping of U.S.-origin products to Iran and other countries in violation of U.S. export and sanctions laws.”

    Note: “to Iran” — here “other countries” is just bullshit (kind of like your comment) — simple question: is it “sensible” (or in the actual, real interest of the average American) for the US to antagonize China in (again) ‘subservience’ to Jews?

    The US (ie its ZOG) continues to impose harsh sanctions on Iran in the service of Israel and über-Zionist Jews.

    To which many here say: FUCK THAT — or as I put it earlier: if ‘mutually assured destruction’ was good enough for the US vs the USSR during the Cold War, then it’s good enough for Israel vs Iran now.

    • Replies: @Faraday's Bobcat
  42. renfro says:
    @Mith

    moonofalabama provides some very interesting information on this matter.

    Yes it does, thanks for heads up.

    Whole article at link:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/12/neocons-sabotage-trumps-trade-talks-huawei-cfo-taken-hostage-to-blackmail-china.html#more

    (excerpts)

    ”The U.S. Justice Department arranged for Canada to arrest the chief financial officer of Huawei, Meng Wanzhou, over alleged U.S. sanctions violations with regards to Iran. The case is not over the sanction Trump recently imposed, but over an alleged collision with the sanction regime before the nuclear deal with Iran. The details are still unknown.

    Meng Wanzhou is a daughter of the founder and main owner of Huawei, Ren Zhengfei, and was groomed to be his successor. The company is extremely well regarded in China. It is one its jewel pieces and, with 170,000 employees and $100 billion in revenues, an important political actor.

    The arrest on December 1 happened while president Trump was negotiating with president Xi of China about trade relations. Trump did not know about the upcoming arrest but Bolton was informed of it.

    It was a trap. The arrest is a public slap in the face of China and to Xi personally. It will not be left unanswered. Whatever Trump may have agreed upon with Xi is now worthless. John Bolton intentionally sabotaged the talks and the U.S. relations with China

    Meng Wanzhou was taken hostage to be used as leverage in China trade talks. The ‘leverage’ could also be used to push Huawei into providing the NSA with back doors to its equipment. This is the policy style of Somali pirates or Saudi clown princes. The ruthlessness of this blackmail operation is breath taking. It is typical of neo-conservative behavior to use such extreme measures. Trump’s foreign policy is run by neo-conservatives and they are again, like when they faked intelligence to lay the grounds to invade Iraq, creating huge damage.

    Melania was right when she told an interviewer in Africa that her husband is surrounded by enemies within his administration.

    These people are the neocon incubi and succubi who seek an even more dominant hegemonic role in the world for the US. They are out and out imperialists of a kind not seen since the time of McKinley and the US-Filipino War.”

  43. renfro says:

    As much as I disapprove of Trump’s craven character I found myself having strange thoughts while watching him at Bush’s funeral. He clearly felt out of place and I sort of felt sorry for him.

    I was thinking ‘what if’…what if the old anglo elite he always wanted to be accepted by, but never was, reached out to him? Specifically the Bushes or Carter or Jim Baker…..could they get thru to him or would he blow them off? I was thinking if they care about the country they should at least give it a try.

    SOMEONE has to get him away from Bolton, Adelson, Jefferys , Jared…the whole swarm of neos and Zionist. Trump is clearly in meltdown and under fire everywhere….he needs help or his current cabal of the ‘US-Israel and Saudi against the World’ is going to push us over the cliff.

    • Agree: eah
    • Replies: @Castellio
  44. @Ron Unz

    I really wouldn’t be surprised if the ultimate endpoint of our national trajectory is a wholesale popular massacre of all our ruling political, financial, media, and intellectual elites…

    ’tis a consummation devoutly to be wish’d; we will know when the French have decided to take that next step, when the plastic-armour-clad imbeciles from les forces de l’ordre come under enfillade fire from pre-positioned marksmen… trivial to set up, no lack of competent trigger-pullers.

    But the US? Never gonna happen. For all their bluster, Yanks are a pretty effete bunch – and indoctrinated by all the cloth-worship and pledging, to be hyper-compliant to their overlords.

    People have started singing “Ça Ira” again in France (although to be frank it’s never really been out of style); and they always sing the sans-culottes lyrics (substituting “politicians” for “aristocrats”)…

    Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira
    les politiciens à la lanterne!
    Ah! ça ira, ça ira, ça ira
    les politiciens on les pendra!

    à la lanterne” : “to the lamp-post” (preparatory to summary lynching);
    on les pendra” : “we’ll hang them”.

    That version ends with

    Et quand on les aura tous pendus
    On leur fichera la pelle au cul

    “And once we’ve hung them all, we’ll stick a shovel up their arse”

    Nous sommes tous gilets-jaunes (si non: au moins, jaunâtres)

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  45. @Tyrion 2

    So in your depraved calculus, the US can ignore international law and scoop up foreign nationals, simply because the company they work for is alleged to be breaching economic sanctions imposed unilaterally by the US?

    And the justification for your sick view is (somehow) that slightly-more-civilised countries have belatedly realised that Chinese tech is riddled with ‘phone home’ mechanisms, and governments were too incompetent to perform proper due diligence and testing before they installed a million cameras and saved everything to the cloud.

    That has to do with snatching people up, how exactly?

    Your bubble is too small – I wonder if you would be consistent if it was Palestinians detaining the daughter of the CEO of a firm that built illegal settlements.

    Actually I don’t wonder in the least – like all exceptionalist ideologues, your hypocrisy is predictable AF, and you show yourself to be a third-rate bullshitter by your idiotic attempt to equate the detention of a company official with post-hoc governmental reactions to Chinese tech espionage. One of those things is legitimate: the other is quite literally an act of war.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  46. Realist says:

    The hanging of May, Merkel and Macron from a lamp post would be a good start to the redemption of Europe.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Bubba
  47. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Kratoklastes

    What part of international law does Canada extraditing someone in her jurisdiction to America break?

    Why do so many cretins think that if they say the words “international law” they’ll sound smart?

    • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
  48. @Tyrion 2

    Your defense of this action wouldn’t have something to do with……Persia would it friend?

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  49. The Chinese will pout and grumble but in the end they’ll do nothing.

    The lesson we’ve learned in the past couple of years is that, unfortunately, neither Russia nor China has the will to stand up to the U.S..

    China could, on the other hand, take retaliatory measures against Canada for facilitating this.

    • Replies: @myself
    , @Will Jones
  50. JR says:

    US is redefining economic relations as relentless economic warfare. Despicable extraterritorial application of US law reveals the total US despise for both sovereignty and international law. Dressing US measures up as ‘sanctions’ implying somehow being guilty is intentional abuse and propaganda. Outside the US Huawei is free to trade with parties also outside the US.

    Worse given Bolton being aware of Canada’s actions and as NSA ‘not sure’ of Trump being aware while present at the truce talks with Xi smells of outright sabotage by the deep state.

  51. Tyrion 2 says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    People are arrested every day. Then either they’re released or go to trial. I see no reason to pick this out as different.

    • LOL: eah, Colin Wright
    • Replies: @peterAUS
  52. Miggle says:
    @Ron Unz

    What about the fundamentally corrupt legal system and lawyers? Should any “common law” lawyer stay alive? Should there be a difference between justice and revenge? Should there be mercy instead? The Germans invented a modern legal system in about 1880. Why stay with a medieval system whose sole purpose is money for lawyers?

    Read The Lion and the Unicorn by Catherine Drinker Bowen, a biography of Sir Edward Coke, 1552-1634. She mentions among other things the great popularity of the Star Chamber among ordinary people and Coke’s scheming to destroy it and all alternatives to the money-for-lawyers system. So, the corruption of it is fundamental to it.

  53. The US elites try to blackmail Chinese oligarchs. As usual, Canada serves as an obedient tool of Washington politburo.

    We’ll see whether Chinese oligarchs cave in. If they do, globalist thieves win this round and relegate their Chinese colleagues to second-tier thieves. If they don’t, the globalist oligarchs will keep using the dying Empire as their tool until they irreversibly wreck the US. Considering the geopolitical dynamics, this might speed up the demise of the Empire. The US population loses either way.

  54. @Realist

    The hanging of May, Merkel and Macron from a lamp post would be a good start to the redemption of Europe.

    You are right, but your post shows that you are not “Realist”. What you describe will happen years later, to the nonentities occupying the positions of the nonentities you named then. It will eventually happen: the mills of God grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine.

    • Agree: Bubba
  55. anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    I am no fan of China and will be the first to cheer if Trump wants to boot all Chinese nationals out of the US, but this arrest is still utterly absurd. This is obviously the work of effing Ziocons like Pence, Bolton, Pompeo, Rosenstein and their ilk. European companies violate the sanction left and right but they only get fined, Chinese firms do the same and their execs get arrested. Double standard much? Effing Ziocons are simply getting desperate, China and Russia must be brought under the Jew World Order so Iran can be starved to death as planned.

    Ziocon Pence has been on a crusade against Chinese tech companies, in addition to their refusing to join in on starving Iran to death, there is a real danger of Huawei taking over the world telecom market because they are very advance in 5G. He’s been busy spewing propaganda about Chinese firms embedding spying software in their hardware, an allegation which Amazon, Google and Apple who use their equipment have all denied. Huawei has said it is simply ridiculous as they use the same US suppliers for their parts as other telecom equipment makers.

    Ziocons know China is a much bigger threat than Russia in the long run because they have a much bigger population and a much bigger economy, and a lot of smart people. This is simply the most aggressive attempt yet to bring China under the Jew World Order, since the tariff war doesn’t seem to be working.

  56. JLK says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Convincing Cisco or some other U.S. company to leave back doors in their equipment is quite simple. One can always threaten the management or board of these companies with some tax investigation or over other shady activities. That is not so easy when the company is hosted in China. It requires the NSA and others to use more expensive efforts to reach their aim:

    I wonder how many Americans would have less of a problem with this if the U.S. Government and the elites that control it had done a better job earning their trust.

  57. myself says:

    From my layman’s perspective, the issue is rather simple.

    American law applies to crimes and actions committed in territories under American jurisdiction, and Canadian law applies to those territories under Canadian jurisdiction. PERIOD. FULL STOP.

    Outside said countries, their laws are completely inapplicable.

    An international treaty, say a sanctions regime, still does not put nationals of any given country under the jurisdiction of any other, save in the above cases (crimes committed in the territory of particular countries against that same country’s laws). If anyone is “guilty”, it is under the jurisdiction of the country of citizenship – only there may they be detained and tried.

    Or else, the COUNTRY wherein the violator of the treaty is a citizen is considered non-compliant. Sanction the COUNTRY, create consequences for the country that won’t rein in its citizens – but do not make the mistake of touching that sovereign nations people.

    NOWHERE is the detention and trial of foreign individuals allowed for actions outside the authority of a given country.

    It’s my understanding that this is settled practice, by mutual agreement between sovereign states.

    Examples:

    A drug lord masterminds the shipping of drugs into American territory/ a terrorist implements terror on American soil/someone commits mass-murder in America: they can be detained and tried in America.

    A drug lord sells drugs in his own country, a terrorist kills in his own country, a dictator commits genocide in his country: they CANNOT be detained or tried abroad except with the explicit permission of their own country.

    Anything else is kidnapping, thuggery and possible extortion.

  58. anon[681] • Disclaimer says:

    Soon the US government will be advising all its lackeys aka the “5 eyes” that the only telcom equipment they should be using are those made by Israeli companies.

    • Replies: @Pontius
    , @2stateshmustate
  59. myself says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    That’s a pretty short-sighted view of these nations, and particularly of China.

    China never gets angry or out-of-control, and never acts impulsively. But they will always get EVEN, even if it takes a long time – and they have a very, very long memory.

    Far as I can see, China has no ideological beef with anyone, no messianic zeal, no desire to impose their way on the world. They don’t think they have “the answers for all humanity”, they just have answers for themselves. They don’t make me feel threatened because they couldn’t care less about how I live my life outside their country.

    Almost makes them seem like the old-timey pre-imperial American Republic. Okay, a decidedly Prussian-Meiji-like American Republic, but with no interest in coercive military adventurism.

    They are the ultimate and oldest ethno-nationalists, but don’t give a rat’s *ss if another country wants to be “diverse” – it’s literally meaningless to their leaders and their people. I’ve had Chinese question me about the U.S. I explain my view to them. They just think it’s weird and shrug.

    “Standing up to the U.S.” doesn’t mean a straight tit-for-tat. “He kidnaps one of yours, you kidnap one of his.” They don’t roll that way.

    But consider:

    Who supplied huge civilian economic aid to Syria during their civil war, freeing Russia and Iran from the burden and helping the Damascus/Tehran/Moscow alliance towards victory?

    Who supplies Pakistan with intel, arms and economic goods, allowing Pakistan freedom to in turn support the Taliban?

    Which country advised the Iraqi Army not to fight conventionally in 2003, prior to the invasion, instead telling them to preserve their units intact and wage a vicious insurgency instead (which they heeded)?

    In the meantime, they’ve capped their military spending to 1.9% of GDP, and grown their tech and industry, while we were busy pissing our once magnificent economy and our envied middle class away since 9/11/2001.

  60. Bubba says:
    @anarchyst

    Since when does the USA have jurisdiction over foreigners?

    Ever since the U.S. dollar became the world’s dominant currency.

  61. Bubba says:
    @Realist

    I agree with you, but unfortunately that won’t happen until Europe is in its last breath before death.

    • Replies: @Realist
  62. Realist says:
    @Bubba

    And that will be too late.

  63. @eah

    Globalizers gonna get a taste of global justice.

  64. Pontius says:
    @Odin Gray

    Embarrassing yes. But the US has a much firmer grasp on our national nutsack than China has (for now).

    Still, China is certainly not an insignificant market for our resources. Shame if something happened to it. We might have to go back to mining our own coal.

    It’s less embarrassing than Ms. Freeland’s tweets in support of the Ukrainians though. I wish she’d clam up. We have zero international clout, and being the perennial finger waving international scold is well past its best before date.

  65. Pontius says:
    @anon

    Which will be completely back door free..

    /sarc

  66. Castellio says:
    @renfro

    Strange suggestion.

    The US can’t be governed without Zionist blessing. Obama was the boy put up to the job by the Pritzker family in Chicago, think Zionist military industries. His crowning moment was to ensure that the stock market would maintain its value while the rest of the economy withered. Call it quantitative easing. In the old days it would have been called an unending payoff from the public purse. Clintons (both) had/have their active support in the strongly Zionist media/financial conglomerates, and have supported the centralization of media and financial services by their ‘friends’.

    There is no “old Anglo elite” that can stand up to the military-industrial/media/financial powers that rule the US. Nor are they about to return: take a look at Facebook, Google, Amazon.

    Correct me if I’m wrong. I would appreciate it.

  67. eah says:

    Certain sensitive technologies — eg encryption — are subject to export control — the more sensitive the technology, or ‘dangerous’ the destination, the stricter the control.

    The arrest is very probably related to deals like this:

    Iran Telecom Co, Huawei in Cooperation Project

    You can’t deliver advanced (4G/5G) mobile telephony infrastructure without including encryption (and likely other sensitive/controlled technologies).

    Iran is on the list of countries with the strictest export controls.

    Overview of U.S. Export Laws

    For national security and foreign policy reasons, the U.S. maintains comprehensive controls and sanctions on the export and re-export of U.S.-origin goods and technology to all destinations around the world.  The legal authority for these controls is authorized by a variety of laws, and administrated by several different government agencies, depending on the nature of the goods to be exported or the country of ultimate destination.  Each administering agency maintains its own regulations.  The following is a summary of the primary U.S. Government agencies that govern the export and re-export of products from the United States and related transactions subject to U.S. jurisdiction:…

    It’s no doubt enough that there is IP of “U.S.-origin” in 4G/5G telecommunications equipment to make a ‘re-exporter’ like Huawei “subject to U.S. jurisdiction”.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @jjc
    , @JLK
    , @Joe Wong
  68. @eah

    Pretty lame way to justify naked blackmail.

  69. jjc says:
    @eah

    #68 “The arrest is very probably related to deals like this…”

    It is not. The affidavit used to generate the arrest is available online. The sanctions-busting in question relates solely to less than $2 million of HP off-the-shelf computers sold by a former Huawei subsidiary to an Iranian telecom company in 2010. The meat of the “fraud” allegation rests on the interpretation of this subsidiary’s relationship with Huawei – whether it was an “independent contractor” or remained a “subsidiary”. The legal case is both exceedingly minor and ambiguous.

    • Replies: @eah
  70. JLK says:
    @eah

    It’s no doubt enough that there is IP of “U.S.-origin” in 4G/5G telecommunications equipment to make a ‘re-exporter’ like Huawei “subject to U.S. jurisdiction”.

    Most intellectual property is not subject to export controls.

    • Replies: @eah
  71. eah says:

    ZOG

  72. eah says:
    @jjc

    The affidavit used to generate the arrest is available online.

    Why not provide a link?

    $2 million of HP off-the-shelf computers…

    Considering that there are plenty of Chinese computer manufacturers — Lenovo is the largest Chinese PC maker, and is just behind HP in world market share — why would they need to resell HP computers? — the Chinese also make supercomputers — probably very capable servers as well — what kind of “off-the-shelf” computers?

    Provide a link to the affidavit — TIA.

  73. eah says:
    @JLK

    Most

    Then perhaps some is? — encryption is definitely controlled/restricted.

    To which countries does the US restrict export of encryption?

    I work in mobile telecom — the company I currently work for uses QCOM 2G/3G/4G-capable modems (soon to be 5G) as the cellular communications component — included in our licensing deal with QCOM is a lot of their source code (not all — most of the AS = access stratum, eg RRC and L1/DSP, is QCOM proprietary and is not included — we get it as libs) — these source files include both a copyright notice and an export control notice.

  74. jjc says:

    The affidavit in question can be accessed here:

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/chinese-executive-facing-u-s-extradition-appears-in-vancouver-court-1.4208628

    The substance of this case appeared in a now almost six year old Reuters story here:

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-huawei-skycom/exclusive-huawei-cfo-linked-to-firm-that-offered-hp-gear-to-iran-idUSBRE90U0CC20130131

    “…in late 2010, Skycom’s office in Tehran offered to sell at least 1.3 million euros worth of HP gear to Mobile Telecommunication Co of Iran…Huawei said neither it nor Skycom ultimately provided the HP equipment.”

    That’s the substance of the alleged “sanctions-busting” – less than $2 million of HP gear eight years ago. The “bank fraud” charges allege that Meng lied to US based banks when she explained that Skycom was at the time an independent contractor and not a subsidiary of Huawei.

    For that, prosecutors in the US decided it was a good idea to have her arrested in a third country, brought back to the US in shackles, and face potentially decades in a US jail.

    • Replies: @eah
  75. It appears that the US is now fighting the Chinese in earnest. If it decides to tear down Huawei, and with it the high-tech aspirations of China, there’s not really anything China can do about it.

    • Replies: @neutral
  76. JLK says:

    For that, prosecutors in the US decided it was a good idea to have her arrested in a third country, brought back to the US in shackles, and face potentially decades in a US jail.

    On the same day that Trump was having a face-to-face with Xi in Argentina, with no heads-up. Looks like a calculated slap in the face.

    • Agree: Mike P
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  77. eah says:
    @Anonymous

    Scroll ahead to the approx 24m mark — Jones claims the migrants who invaded Europe in 2015 weren’t economic migrants, instead they were ‘victims of American foreign policy’ — that may be true in some sense for Syrians (or eg Libyans), but Syrians (and Libyans) were a small minority of those who took advantage of the opportunity — eg all the sub 80 IQ Africans are not ‘victims of American foreign policy’.

  78. neutral says:
    @Obsequious

    there’s not really anything China can do about it

    Is that so? You think the rest of the world would rather buy some very expensive crap phone made in America?

    • Replies: @Obsequious
  79. denk says:

    fukus has dropped all pretense of legitimacy.
    This Meng ‘arrest’ is a kidnap for ransom pure and simple, perpetrated by the self appointed ‘guardian’ of the so-called rule based system

    This is the result of unfettered capitalism run wild, the fukus regime is nothing but a hired gunslinger for MIC, Big oil, big pharma, Wall street, AIPAC.

    When the Brit Oil was nationalised by Iran, they put out a contract to CIA, one regime change later, all was fine, UK got back its oil fields…
    shedding lots of blood on the way.
    Blood for Oil.

    When Oz was having a hard time in the negotiation with Timor Leste over oil rights, the Aussies cried to mama Cheney, a oil man by the way, that they were ‘bullied’ by tiny Timor.
    One phone call from Cheney’s office was enough to make the hapless Timorese kaput, Oz got back its ‘fair’ share.

    In the Huawei case, surprise surprise, CISCO is the one pushing the hardest for Huawei exculsion.
    Thus ‘ex’ CIA , Pentagoons often find their way into CISCO payroll, much like ex secretary of offense joining the MIC director board.
    In fact, James mad dog Mattis is an active member of the General Dynamics director board.

    This is instituionalised corruption in broad daylight,.
    They even call this ‘transparency,

    heheheh

  80. @anon

    I’d be willing to bet that is already the case Whatever Israel wants, Israel gets.

  81. The thing is, the Satanic orange clown administration doesn’t have moral standing to criticize or prosecute anyone for anything.

    That the perfidious presidential poseur has the balls to do this while he’s illegally occupying Syria and committing murderous war crimes there, for example, is beyond depraved; words fail me.

  82. @neutral

    Well, the US is doing a pretty good job of convincing countries not to use Huawei’s equipment in their infrastructure. Even in non-Western countries Chinese products are usually regarded as affordable alternatives to Western products, not quality products the people would prefer if price were not a consideration.

  83. denk says:

    Imagine growing up in a family where every day, father raped daughter, mother tortured son, brother abused brother, sister stole from sister, and the whole family murdered neighbors, friends and passing strangers. Imagine the underlying assumptions about life that you would adopt without question in such an atmosphere, how normal the most hideous depravity would seem. If some outsider chanced to ask you about your family’s latest activities, you would spew out perversions as calmly and unthinkingly as a man giving directions to the post office.

    This state of unwitting confession to monstrous crime has been the default mode of the American Establishment for many years now. Government officials routinely detail policies that in a healthy atmosphere would shake the nation to its core, stand out like a gaping wound, a rank betrayal of every hope, ideal and sacrifice of generations past. Yet in the degraded sensibility of these times, such confessions go unnoticed, their evil unrecognized – or even lauded as savvy ploys or noble endeavors. Inured to moral horror by half a century of outrages committed by the “National Security” complex, the Establishment – along with the media and vast swathes of the population – can no longer discern the poison in the air they breathe. It just seems normal.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/hideous-kinky-moral-nullity-as-normality-in-pentagon-plans/2354

    • Replies: @anonymity
  84. denk says:

    I see, Trump will ask his Canuck attack dog to release the hostage…if China pay up the ransom.

    I highlighted several times here,
    Trump’s threat to raise hell in TW strait, unless
    China cave in on trade issues. [1]

    I guess with China’s DF21 aircraft carrier busters already deployed, the racketeers decide its safer to kidnap a defenceless lady than provoking the PLN in TW strait.

    Jeeze, Al Capone would blush at such brazeness.

    [1]
    US President-elect Donald Trump upped the ante yesterday in his war of words with China. He declared that he did not feel bound by the “One China” policy, which has been the foundation of diplomacy between the two countries for more than 40 years.
    ………
    Trump made clear he would abide by the One China policy, which recognises Beijing as the sole legitimate government of all China, only if the Chinese government caves in on other issues. “I don’t know why we have to be bound by a One China policy,” he declared, “unless we make a deal with China having to do with other things, including trade.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/12/12/taiw-d12.html

  85. eah says:
    @jjc

    Thanks — I read the docs/links — your summary of this/what appears to be this ‘piece of shit’ case (ala Tom Wolfe) seems accurate.

    People who wonder what China can or will do in retaliation should look at projected federal budget deficits in the coming years, even decades — China is the largest holder of UST debt — while it’s true that exports to the US are an important part of China’s economy, they now account for less than 20% of all Chinese exports, and that number is falling — I think it will be more difficult for the US to find those same products elsewhere than it will be for China to find another/a better way to invest their trade surplus earnings.

  86. Joe Wong says:
    @Odin Gray

    I just heard on the CBC Radio, some guys from the Canadian big think tanks in Ottawa said China has been getting away too long for not taking up international responsibility i.e. not following the West’s orders, it is time to teach China a lesson about rule of laws. Those guys said it was an honor that Canadian was given the opportunity to be part of the team to rein China in.

    It seems you are the exception. I would say most Canadians agree with those Canadian big think tanks. Most Canadians think China has not changed much from the devil image the West forged during the Cold War days. They believe the West is the final form of civilization and they have the moral high ground and responsibility to convert everyone else including China into their obedience servants with whatever means necessary, including the means like reining in the people of the First Nations of the North America.

    The Amazing things is Justin Trudeau keeps on saying China does not understand Canada that Canadian has juridical independence tradition, his government’s hands are tied and his government can do nothing about Hauwei’s CFO kidnapping by the Canadian authority. It seems Justin Trudeau government believes that Canadian juridical independence is a magic wane, it can make every problem disappear, or he and his cabinet believe that Canadian law has extraterritorial jurisdiction right like what the American claimed, it is China’s problem not follow Canadian law. It is hard to know whether Canadian governments are delusional, naive, or stupid redneck.

  87. Joe Wong says:
    @Eighthman

    On the surface, Canada is the provocateur and aggressor, Canadian is kidnapping under the Canadian law alone. China should consider kidnapping Hauwei’s CFO by Canadian authority under Canadian Law is an act of war. China should send warships to blockade Canadian ports, coasts and air.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  88. Joe Wong says:
    @eah

    The New York extradition request is not for violating sanction against Iran, it was a charge against financial fraud, it said SKYCOM misrepresenting revenue, the US indicting Hauwei’s CFO for committing financial fraud. You are trying justifying the American and Canadian wrong doing with irrelevant fabrication.

    US laws are not ratified by other nations, therefore US laws only valid in the US and not beyond its borders. US laws can control businesses inside the US only in according to its sanction laws, not beyond it border, if it does, then US is violating other nation’s sovereignty, and it is committing crimes against peace, and the US becomes an aggressor and a war criminal in the international community.

    Besides SKYCOM is an HK business, it has nothing to do with the US. The US government should prosecute any company violating US sanction law by selling controlled items to unapproved third parties. It is the companies inside the US violating the US laws, not the companies outside of the USA.

  89. Will Jones [AKA "Homer Cunningham"] says:

    The very fact that this woman is being held in custody in Canada (whatever her crimes and misdemeanors) and Bill and Hillary Clinton are free, is a travesty of justice. This woman supposedly broke an agreement on doing business with Iran which the US says broke their laws (which don’t apply anywhere but on US soil) and the weak Trudeau government is going along with it. What’s the US going to do if Canada lets her go? Refuse to import any more Canadian oil? I don’t think so.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  90. @Joe Wong

    This was an act desperation: kidnapping of Chinese national by the criminals who already lost the big game. China will respond differently. The response will be slow (like the mills of God) and cause a lot more pain to a pathetic vassal Canada and to its suzerain the US.

  91. Will Jones [AKA "Homer Cunningham"] says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    If they pulled their investments out of Canada, their economy would take a massive hit.

  92. peterAUS says:
    @Kratoklastes

    ….when the plastic-armour-clad imbeciles from les forces de l’ordre come under enfillade fire from pre-positioned marksmen… trivial to set up, no lack of competent trigger-pullers.

    True.

    The PROBLEM is…..what comes next.

  93. peterAUS says:
    @Tyrion 2

    People are arrested every day. Then either they’re released or go to trial. I see no reason to pick this out as different.

    Outstanding.

  94. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Every single mainland Chinese immigrant in the west is either a massively corrupt government official/ businessman (or their family), or is a spy for the Chinese government. Do business with them at your own peril.

    The Chinese government is aggressively trying to reach out to all people living in the US who is of Chinese descent(I have no idea how they even find this info), even if you are not from mainland China and have never even visited. Out of the blue, one day I mysteriously started getting their communist propaganda mouthpiece, China Daily, on my driveway every Friday. None of my neighbors got it. I found their phone number online (a number in San Francisco) and called to tell them to stop delivering the paper to me, a woman who spoke with a heavy Chinese accent answered the phone, said “hello” without saying what her company is, as if it was a private phone. I told her to stop delivering the paper to me, she said OK, and the paper stopped coming. A couple of weeks later, two older Chinese women I’ve never met showed up at my door and asked to speak to me, in Chinese. I told them I don’t speak any and asked them to leave.

    Next, they started sending me catalogs of some Chinese acrobatic performance troupe on a regular basis, even though I never asked for it. These days, they’ve started robo calling my home phone and leaving annoying messages in Chinese.

    I have no idea what the mainland Chinese immigrants and their government are up to in the US, but they are up to no good. I think they are trying to recruit spies for their government. The FBI needs to look into this shit. I’m sick and tired of their harassment. The US government needs to wise up and stop giving these people visas and green cards, and expel every single mainland Chinese from this country before they turn us into another corrupt shit hole like China.

    • Replies: @anonymity
  95. @Tyrion 2

    ‘Yeah America is such a rabid pariah outlier for going after Huawei…’

    So should we take your sarcasm as evidence Israel did order this arrest?

  96. @JLK

    ‘…On the same day that Trump was having a face-to-face with Xi in Argentina, with no heads-up. Looks like a calculated slap in the face.’

    The inference is that Trump is no longer actually in control of his administration.

    • Replies: @JLK
    , @Harold Smith
  97. @Will Jones

    ‘…What’s the US going to do if Canada lets her go? Refuse to import any more Canadian oil? I don’t think so.’

    Your argument here rests on the assumption that while we are ruled by Zion, Canada is free.

    I’m skeptical.

  98. anonymity says:
    @Anon

    Every single mainland Chinese immigrant in the west is either a massively corrupt government official/ businessman (or their family), or is a spy for the Chinese government. Do business with them at your own peril.

    Yep. If they speak Chinese, they are up to no good. Keep your distance if you are wise.

  99. JLK says:
    @Colin Wright

    The inference is that Trump is no longer actually in control of his administration.

    That’s certainly a possible takeaway.

  100. anonymity says:
    @denk

    The difference between America and your country China is, most Americans know this about our government, that’s why we have so many jokes about dirty sleazy politicians. But most Chinese are still in denial about theirs.

    This arrest may be a stretch of American power, but I don’t care. Every single mainland Chinese living overseas is guilty of corruption or spying, in one way or another. I think the west should arrest them all and deport them back to China en masse. These people are up to no good wherever they go, like the Jews.

    • Replies: @denk
  101. denk says:
    @anonymity

    Im actually tired of educating anon trolls.
    But you’r lucky today.
    I’ll tell you a story….

    In 1980, three American nuns and a religious volunteer were kidnapped, raped, and murdered in El Salvador. Eventually, five soldiers were convicted of the crime.

    your sleazy leaders suggested that those nuns were asking for it…

    UN Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick , a broad no less, said at the time, “The nuns were also political activists.”

    Secretary of State Alexander Haig testified on Capitol Hill, “Perhaps the vehicle in which the nuns were riding may have tried to run a road block.”

    Hard to believe? The Salvadoran regime was an anti-communist ally.

    In 1992, a Guatemalan guerrilla leader, Efran Bmaca Velsquez, married to an American woman, Jennifer Harbury, was captured by the Army, tortured, and killed

    And now, once again, Chile, and the 26-year mystery about what happened to Charles Horman and Frank Teruggi, two young supporters of Allende who disappeared during the military coup that brought Gen. Augusto Pinochet to power.

    A 1976 internal report of the State Department said the Chilean government “might have believed this American [Horman] could be killed without negative fallout from the US government.”

    And, “US intelligence may have played an unfortunate part in Horman’s death.”

    The report suggests that he was fingered for the Pinochet regime by a CIA officer undercover as a consular official.

    Moral of the story,
    To your sleacy leaders,
    YOur ilks are just useless eaters, while gen Pinochet, the salvador death squads, are useful assets.

    Funny that you should laugh at the Chinese,they’r doing just fine,

    https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/china-lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-is-historic-world-bank-117101300027_1.html

    mORAL of the story 2
    Not all ‘sleazy’ leaders are born equal !

    And….
    The joke are on you, babe !

    *I think the west should arrest them all and deport them back to China en masse. These people are up to no good wherever they go, like the Jews.*

    Tell that to the 30 millions civilians killed in murikkan foreign adventures, since ww2.

    Er…
    With you and your ilks,
    who needs the Jews ?

  102. denk says:

    Mao on Dr Norman Bethune,

    We must all learn the spirit of absolute selflessness from him. With this spirit everyone can be very useful to the people. A man’s ability may be great or small, but if he has this spirit, he is already noble-minded and pure, a man of moral integrity and above vulgar interests, a man who is of value to the people.

    https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-2/mswv2_25.htm\

    I know of many Chinese who’ve a soft spot for Canucks, Ottawa really blows it this time.

    Dr Bethune must be turning in his grave.

  103. @Colin Wright

    “The inference is that Trump is no longer actually in control of his administration.”

    That’s where the trail of breadcrumbs seems to be leading us, but the apparent selectivity of Trump’s powerlessness and his wallowing in it, gives me pause.

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