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The child’s birthday party was going strong in Douglasville, Ga., during the summer of 2015 when the convoy of men and women waving Confederate battle flags drove up. The partygoers, most of them black, were grilling and celebrating. Then the people in the pickups pulled out a shotgun, prosecutors said later at trial.

“Members of the group pulled out a shotgun and pointed it at the victims,” District Attorney Brian Fortner said in a statement. “They used racial slurs and threatened to kill some of the partygoers. They even threatened to kill children at the party.”

Mr. Fortner added, “This is behavior that even supporters of the Confederate battle flag can agree is criminal and shouldn’t be allowed.”

This week, Judge William McClain of Douglas County Superior Court sentenced one of the men and a woman among the group to lengthy prison sentences for their part in the confrontation. He said, “Their actions were motivated by racial hatred,” according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

The couple, Jose I. Torres, 26, and Kayla Rae Norton, 25, were each found guilty last month of making terroristic threats and of violating Georgia’s street gang law; Mr. Torres was also found guilty of aggravated assault.

Norman Barnett, an assistant district attorney, said in a telephone interview on Wednesday that Mr. Torres received a sentence of 20 years: 13 to be spent in prison and the remainder on supervised probation. Ms. Norton got 15 years: six in prison and the rest on probation.

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  1. FKA Max says:

    OT, but I think potentially very significant:

    From Vox Day:


    The New York Times, the Washington Post, the Guardian, and other opposition media sites appear to be buying a significant percentage of their site traffic from China in order to preserve an appearance of relevance.
    To put into perspective how obviously fake their increase in traffic has been, the New York Times’s percentage of total site traffic from China has gone from 5.1 to 49.2 percent in just two months. That’s amazing, considering that the Carlos Slim blog has been blocked in China since 2012. In like manner, the Washington Post’s Chinese traffic has risen from 2.9 to 58.7 percent, and the Guardian’s from zero to 57 percent in the same two-month period.
    UPDATE: Busted! This is the New York Times’s Alexa rating over the last year. Apparently someone thought better of artificially inflating their traffic with fake views from China. The very same pattern can be seen with the other opposition media sites outed by Zerohedge.

    My comment:

    Thanks for sharing and investigating this!

    I noticed this a few months ago — and was surprised and confused by it, since last I remembered the NY Times was mostly blocked in China — but did not follow up on it.

    This is a significant story, in my opinion, and needs to get out there.

    I saw, that Youtuber Thunderf00t used Alexa data trying to prove that the NY Times was not failing in his following video (4 min. mark). I think somebody needs to let him know about this… I don’t have Twitter, etc.:

    Trumps UNHINGED press conference

  2. TheBoom says:

    Interesting to note the harsh sentences given these two and the slaps on the wrists given the Antifas who were planning on bringing acid to the Deplorable. As usual, there is not downside to being a violent leftist. But, if the other side gets out of line at all the full weight of the law will come down on them. Same with all the rioters in Berkeley, Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. etc.

    • Replies: @A1
    , @Cato
  3. A1 says:

    They got what they deserved. Nothing they did will help unite this country. Go rule of law.

  4. These morons got 20 years for threatening somebody…how many years will the 4 morons that kidnapped and tortured that kid get?

    Isn’t it odd that the torture story has all but disappeared?

    There really is something weird going on the the USA.

  5. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Colin Flaherty did a great video comparing this sentence to that of a black guy who brutalized a white kid:

    • Replies: @Heidi S
  6. A1 says:

    “The other side” should find a more constructive way to get “out of line” than bothering innocent people celebrating a birthday party like these did. Just bad.

    I completely agree that left wing thugs should get more than they often do, but that is a non sequitur as far as this incident goes.

  7. Terrorizing random Blacks with Confederate flags on pick-up trucks and shotguns… is it just me or is there something fishy about this story?

  8. Kyle a says:

    Unfortunate they were unable to squeez off a few rounds. For those lengthy sentences, they should have got their money’s worth. Would you not agree A1?

  9. Zach says:

    As Trump said, in the good old days someone would take an offender out and give them a good beating. These people deserved a beating rather than prison time. It’s cruel and petty to disrupt a child’s birthday party in this manner, but 13 years for a non-violent offense?

    • Replies: @TomSchmidt
  10. AKAHorace says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Even if the account is true, the sentences seem a bit much. No one was physically hurt. I think that they should have been punished and got some jail time, but the sentences they got would only be fair if they had actually assaulted or hurt someone. Perhaps there is something missing from the reports,was this the last in a long series of incidents ?

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @Negrolphin Pool
  11. Holy fuckballs. 20 years for basically nothing? Yes, pointing a shotgun at people should be punished (if that’s what really happened), but 20 years is more that some murderers get.

    On more than one occasion, I have been assaulted by armed black thugs. I did not escape injury. But it didn’t even get any attention when I called the police. They basically just showed up hours later to take a report. But this, which is far less than I’ve experienced in my personal experience, having grown up in a 80%+ black neighborhood, leads to DECADES in prison.

    No wonder we have a MASSIVE white nationalist “problem”.

  12. I don’t click on stories in the New York Times. But it appears the sentencing was excessive. That’s a lot of time for acting stupid. I suspect that the defendants may have paid a price for taking up the court’s time. Best to plead out and take your lumps in the land of the free.

  13. @Anatoly Karlin

    The story could be God’s honest truth and it would still stink if it appears in the NYT.

  14. @!LhfTjuep7I

    but 20 years is more that some murderers get.

    Not in McClain’s court, it seems. He sentenced a 20-YO black defendant who killed another kid to life in prison without parole:

    I guess the lesson is: Don’t do that sort of shit in an area handled by McClain’s court or until TSHTF.

  15. Torres? That sounds Hispanic. Everybody knows minorities can’t be racist.

  16. @Zach

    Pointing a loaded gun at someone and threatening him isn’t violent? So if the mugger sticks the gun in your face but doesn’t shoot you it’s not violent crime?

    20 years is a bit much, of course.

  17. fnn says:

    I heard the convoy was on its way to a Southern Heritage event when one of the vehicles broke down. All the vehicles stopped and they drew the attention of local partygoers who made known their displeasure in a scene reminiscent of the Zulu attack on Rorke’s Drift, but possibly without any weapons.

  18. You left out the accent in José.

    It kinda clarifies things, doesn’t it?

  19. Clyde says:

    Holy fuckballs. 20 years for basically nothing? Yes, pointing a shotgun at people should be punished (if that’s what really happened), but 20 years is more that some murderers get.

    Pointed a shotgun from how far away? Looks to me like 20 or 30 ft. Not like walking up to black people have a party and pulling out a shotgun ten ft away. I refuse to waste five minutes of my life reading this article…..but seems they drove up in the pickup yelled a few racist things and pointed a shot gun…then drove off.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    , @Mr. Anon
  20. lavoisier says: • Website

    You know the sentence is excessive if you imagine what would happen to a black man who did the same thing to a white man.

    Hard to believe our nation now considers discrimination of white people to be acceptable.

    But you shouldn’t be aiming a shotgun at someone unless your life is in danger.

  21. lavoisier says: • Website

    I read about the judge. He is a bit of a wacked out Christian fundamentalist who has worked to help the homeless from hurricane Katrina, many of whom settled in the area. He considers it his mission from God to help these people and turn their lives around. He also apparently sees it as his mission to stamp out white racists with the wrath of Jehovah.

    In the sentencing he called this a hate crime and drew parallels with the murders in Charleston.

    He gave these lowlifes an excessive sentence because it was a hate crime against blacks and he sees himself as a champion of the black underclass. Kind of a modern day Atticus Finch without any sense of fairness.

    This whole hate crime thing has always seemed to me to be a violation of equal protection under the law, and this case bears that contention out clearly.

    I am not fond of white racist trash any more than I am fond of black racist trash, but this judge is a religious nut job who believes he is doing God’s work by stamping out racism.

    The two should have seen some prison time, but the sentence is excessive and discriminatory and it should be appealed.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @WorkingClass
  22. Dan Hayes says:


    Thanks for the information. Now the excessiveness of the sentence makes some sense: the sentencing judge is a wing bat nut job!

  23. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Sentence was ridiculously overly harsh.

  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Let’s think this out.
    Suppose I, being white, were at the birthday party of a young white family member in a public park, when a BLM crew happened by, and started yelling at us, accusing us of “white supremacy” and of being racist MF’ers. I think I’d be justifiably scared, and would try to get out of there without confrontation. I would be quite angry afterwards, but I’d calm down eventually and be able to assess the situation rationally. Would I see this as illegal harassment? Probably, and I think I’d be right. But assuming there was no physical violence, and not even any verbal threats of physical violence, I think I’d see a reasonable punisment as several months in jail.
    This is all assuming they took some discernible action to target us, having simply encountered us at random. If it turns out that they were simply having a BLM march through the park at the same time as our party, I think I’d tell myself that I’d need to suck it up. I might not like them, but I support freedom of speech for my political enemies.
    I find anything more than a few months in the actual case quite hard to justify, and it seems a miscarriage of justice. That said, I don’t doubt that this sort of miscarriage of justice has been suffered by many blacks too: many really do get a 20 year term for a 6 month crime. And probably some of them actually did a bunch of other 6 month crimes that they never got charged for, and so, in some sense, may “deserve” their term. But some didn’t.
    And yet the fact that some blacks get unjust sentences doesn’t mean that justice can be restored by giving some whites unjust sentences.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Same Anonymous Here-
    I just reread the article (I was partially replying from prior awareness, maybe fallible). It seems the perpetrators pulled out shotguns and made death threats. This is obviously worse than what I was supposing. I think my reasoning stands, but the facts seem objectively worse. Still, I see the punishment as unjustified. Perpetrators of actual violence routinely get lesser sentences. Supposing there were death threats, with shotgun in hand, this still seems like roughly a 1-2 year crime, assuming there was no pattern of prior behavior, and assuming (as is fairly likely here) that the threats were not made with any prior intent to follow through. That’s NOT a slap on the wrist. The actual sentence seems way out of line.

    • Replies: @Ragno
  26. @lavoisier

    Thanks. A hanging judge. That provides an explanation for the sentencing. In Jesus name. Amen.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  27. anarchyst says:

    Hopefully the sentences will be appealed and reduced on appeal. Is it possible that when their truck broke down, they were harassed by the adults at the party?
    Of course, that will never be revealed, as it would not be politically correct.
    Remember, “hate crimes” are a one-way street. Only whites are eligible to be convicted of “hate crimes”. In today’s atmosphere, blacks are almost NEVER convicted of “hate crimes.

  28. @A1

    As someone who had the misfortune to live in a neighborhood that shifted to majority Negro during my relatively short residence, I suspect there may be a back story here. Negro “parties”, even children’s birthday parties, have a tendency quickly to get out of hand. Loud, obtrusive, and incredible obnoxious behavior – to levels defying belief among those who have not experienced these events – is the norm. (Anyone not believing me do an internet search on Chuck e Cheese, party and phrases like fighting and riot.)

    I quickly learned that calling the police to restore order was futile. The police had learned that their arrival often escalated rather than reduced the misbehavior. Only when a near riot was occurring or serious crimes, e.g., discharge of firearms, were being committed would the police respond. At that point any hope of a peaceful evening/early morning was gone forever.

    When I first heard of this incident my immediate reaction was to wonder whether the involved non-Negroes had not been provoked beyond measure by continuous obnoxious behavior from Negro neighbors. Needless to say this is a factor that SJW fake news MSM would not report and that would be an embarrassment for the impotent law enforcement, prosecutorial, and court systems to even consider

    • Replies: @A1
    , @anon
  29. A1 says:
    @Kyle a

    No, I do not agree. I don’t want Americans shooting at other Americans.

  30. DWright says:

    Just wandered over to a party of black folks and started harassing and pointing guns?
    Anyone really believe this?
    My guess is the blacks came to them, probably menacing and threatening and they responded.

    Just a guess based on, I don’t know, thousands of encounters we read about when real details come out.

  31. @Clyde

    You really don’t know much about shotguns do you? 30′ is 10 yards. Using buckshot at 20 yards the spread is only 9″-10″. Using light birdshot at 7 yards the spread is only 16″.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  32. Ragno says:

    This story appeared in the New York Times. The New York Times.

    Hsst: it ain’t 1959 any longer. That’s now the equivalent of saying it appeared on THE YOUNG TURKS or THE WEEKLY WORLD NEWS.

    Sorry, it can no longer be taken as truthful; not without third-party verification.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  33. hyperbola says:

    There is something fishy about this story. “Jose I Torres” is a Latino/Spanish name. For example:

    Near to this part of the world, the Spanish colony of Florida was a haven for blacks escaping from “American democracy”. In Spanish Florida blacks were free, had their own businesses, intermarried, …. When Spain left Florida (1821), ALL blacks left with them since they knew what to expect from the new rulers. At that time, “Remember the Alamo” was about Mexico getting independence and deciding to keep the ban on slavery that the Spanish monarchy intoduced in 1508 (and reinforced in 1542). The jewish bankers of the “city of london” wanted to expand to Texas the slave plantations used for their textile inidustry in Britain. To this day, the main concentrations of blacks in the New World are in former British, Dutch and Portuguese colonies, for whom the jewish bankers of London and Amsterdam financed slave trading by their tribe.

    Of course, the stone mansions of the jewish slave traders that line the Harbor in Charleston, SC to this day remind us that there is another line of “spanish” names in the southern US. Perhaps this Torres comes from that line?

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Jefferson
  34. @AKAHorace

    This yarn definitely has a they-gang-raped-me-on-a-bed-of-shattered-glass feel to it.

    Personally I think they probably should have gotten probation, even if the recounting presented here turns out to be positively scientific.

    I’ve personally fallen victim to stuff at least this bad from typically behaving negro perps. I don’t even recall them being taken downtown. Twenty years is a Harpers-Ferry-level outrage.

  35. Truth says:

    So, no one here was intelligent enough as to inquire whether they had priors already?

    Why am I not surprised?

    • Replies: @Negrolphin Pool
  36. @Kyle a

    How widespread is this sort of racist sentencing? If you’re an American in your mid-30s and you’re attacked by a pack of ferals, the prospect of spending the entirety of your prime years as a zoo animal with a high-degree of certainty for merely defending yourself could shift the strategic calculus markedly.

    The sole consideration could easily become to simply minimize the threat at hand. Smoke everyone within earshot and vamos pa’ la frontera.

  37. lavoisier says: • Website

    The people who live in that town need to let that judge know what they think about him. Even the black people who had been threatened by the low lifes felt bad about the severity of the sentence.

    This judge is a monster who should be impeached.

    I am hopeful that the people of Georgia will demand a review of this case from their elected representatives.

    Granted the culprits appear to be severely deficient in character. But this judge is a criminal robbing these people of their lives.

    This is not justice. It is sickness masquerading as righteousness.

  38. @Negrolphin Pool


    I don’t think Mr. Goldberg has thought this hate crime stuff through very well.

    As these outrageous sentences become more common, more whites will figure that if you’re going to get multiple decades for merely brandishing a gun, what the heck, you might as well actually shoot somebody.

  39. A1 says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    You could be right. But if it was not provoked as you say then what they did was totally uncalled for. At the same time the disparity in sentencing as pointed out is glaring. The whole thing is sad.

    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
  40. @Truth

    Some people work for a living. It’s an excellent question though.

    • Replies: @Truth
  41. Gene Su says:
    @Kyle a

    Gee whiz, how would you like it if someone did that to you?

    I think 20 years is appropriate for threatening a total stranger with a loaded gun for no good reason.

    Having said that, as some have pointed out, this story does sound fishy. A Hispanic named Torres waving around a Confederate flag? That doesn’t sound right. Also, this took place in 2015, but I haven’t heard about it from any media source until now.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  42. Clyde says:
    @Chris Mallory

    so you give your take on the situation.

  43. Truth says:
    @Negrolphin Pool

    Well I would assume that driving up to a random birthday party in a pickup truck and waving a shotgun around at the guests while threatening to kill them, does not exactly scream “first offense” or “mental clarity” to me, but, who am I?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  44. @hyperbola

    The best comment on the thread, by far, and that’s not hyperbole.

  45. Sean says:

    The rule of man and not the law. Georgia doesn’t have a hate crimes statute. They should have forced their lawyer to register an objection to him on the grounds of his pro Katrina refugee (ie pro black) activism. It wouldn’t have got him off the case but couldn’t hurt. In the event he give them the absolute maximum sentence he thought might stick. Proof, if proof were needed, that what matters is not the law, but what judge you have.

    • Agree: lavoisier
  46. Agent76 says:

    We do not live under the rule of law just view for yourself.

    June 16, 2016 Supreme Court Ruling: Police Have No Duty to Protect the General Public

    However, did you know that the government, and specifically law enforcement, does not have any duty to protect the general public? Based on the headline and this information, you might assume this is a new, landmark decision. However, it has long been the court’s stance that, essentially, the American people are responsible for taking case of their own personal safety.

    Aug 21, 2016 Just Say No: Don’t Federalize Local Police!

    Some people want you to think that the solution to problems with police is to get the federal government more involved. But they’ve got things completely backwards.

    • Replies: @Oleaginous Outrager
  47. Mr. Anon says:

    It’s entirely possible they did nothing illegal. I believe that the police who responded to the incident didn’t arrest them, but let them go. It was only later, after the SPLC had intervened and coached the witnesses that charges were brought.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  48. Mr. Anon says:

    “Well I would assume that driving up to a random birthday party in a pickup truck and waving a shotgun around at the guests while threatening to kill them, does not exactly scream “first offense” or “mental clarity” to me, but, who am I?”

    Who are you? A black man with a chip on his shoulder.

    • Replies: @Truth
  49. Truth says:
    @Mr. Anon

    No old Sport, I’m a MAN with a chip on his shoulder (who happens to be black.)

  50. denjae says:

    lack of effort to do any investigation before going off half loaded very evident on the part of many commenters.

    the incident was well-filmed. several peek-ups loaded with whate-guys waving raffles an flags

    saw it on tee-eve (hotlanta) — whate-guys part clearly out of line regardless of what the blacks may have been doing

    up to commenters to do the look-up — not me

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  51. lavoisier says: • Website

    Up to you to learn how to spell.

    Did you learn anything about the so called Judge and his involvement with the Katrina refugees? Or anything about his obvious self-righteousness?

    That is also an incredibly important part of this story.

  52. WG Dupree says:

    More significant is the law used to charge these people. Now, the Confederate Flag is considered a “gang” affiliated symbol.

    Given the juxtaposition of the law invoked with the crime and obvious caliber of the criminals, my deplorable conspiracy-leaning mind wonders if these folks has some coaxing and direction as to where they could find a yard full of blacks to harass. Or maybe they were actually sorry people who drove around and has now caused the Confederate Battle Flag to be a “gang” symbol.

  53. Clyde says:
    @Mr. Anon

    This is two people meaning two witnesses for one side vs what? Versus Eight? Aggressed upon witnesses, had a loaded/unloaded? shotgun pointed at them from how far away? Pointing a shotgun from 50ft away is not much of a threat to kill or injure. Eight witnesses who have canned, coached, coordinated testimony to damn these two white racists. Are they going to sue also? My guess is the ACLU told them they can get a payout if they get a conviction.

    I know what the verdict is so far, but I don’t know what really took place. Racial incidents turn into lie-a-thons in court. I would have a better idea if I spent 30-60 minutes of my life reading up on it.

  54. Clyde says:
    @Gene Su

    I think 20 years is appropriate for threatening a total stranger with a loaded gun for no good reason.

    Then you are not an American. Are you FOB or something? “Cruel and unusual punishment”. Look it up, it is in your US Constitution. People get less that twenty for manslaughter and rape.

    Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Look it up.

    • Agree: Bill
    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @Gene Su
  55. lavoisier says: • Website

    I lived in Georgia for several years. I cannot believe the people in Georgia would let this verdict stand unless they have become zombies.

    The low lifes who threatened people with a shotgun, unless they were threatened, should be punished with a jail term for sure. But not more than one or two years I would think. They should not have their lives totally destroyed by a sanctimonious religious nutjob with a fetish for African-American uplift.

    This sentence is disgusting and I believe it is cruel and unusual punishment dispensed by a sick man. This decision must be reviewed.

    If the punishment is found to be totally disproportionate to the crime, that judge should be impeached and exiled to California or Washington. There, he might find a seat on the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, where equal protection under the law for whitey is considered discriminatory. However, given his religous fundamentalism, he might find himself unwelcome there, even if he shared their hatred for all things white.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @Clyde
  56. KenH says:

    The NY Times version is almost a Hollywood script movie script with rampaging, racist, confederate flag loving whites victimizing innocent black party goers. However, according to a couple of pro-white sites the couple and their friends were merely driving by and the black party goers, enraged at the sight of the confederate flag, began shouting racial slurs and threats at the white passersby’s.

    Rather than keep on driving or cower in fear as most whites do, this couple and their friends elected to stand up for themselves and get in the faces of the black troublemakers and in the process may have gone a little too far, but nobody got hurt. Not surprisingly, the whites were outnumbered so I can’t fault the man for pulling a shotgun.

    From what I understand the blacks were also making terroristic threats but the cucked white DA did not charge them, only the whites.

    This cruel and unusual punishment and over sentencing by this corrupt, anti-racist, virtue signaling judge is only the tip of the iceberg and a big reason why whites won’t stand up for themselves and fight back. They know in reality there is no such thing as white privilege when you step inside the courtroom, only black privilege.

    This reminds me of a case back in the late 1990’s in Montana when a few white guys chased some Mexicans out of a park. Nobody got hurt, but the white guys were sentenced to 10yrs in prison largely over the racial overtones of the incident. Again, white privilege is only a myth that low information morons believe in.

  57. Jefferson says:

    “To this day, the main concentrations of blacks in the New World are in former British, Dutch and Portuguese colonies,”

    There is also a main concentration of Blacks in the New world in former Spanish colonies. The Cuban national volleyball teams both male and female are entirely Black. Cuba has different racial demographics from Mexico.

  58. FKA Max says:

    Thank you from me too, lavoisier, for sharing the additional background information on this judge. After reading up some more on him, I think too, that he should, at the very least, be psychologically evaluated.

    Sounds (see below; talking about himself in the third person: you now know who Beau McClain is and why he does what he does) and looks (he has a weird/intense stare; common in bipolar patients) like a serious case of Superman/Jesus(Messiah)/Savior complex, to me:

    The term “messiah complex” is not addressed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), as it is not a clinical term nor diagnosable disorder, however, the symptoms of the disorder closely resemble those found in individuals suffering from grandiose delusions or delusions of grandeur. This form of delusional belief is most often reported in patients suffering from bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.

    McClain: I love Superman because he ‘helps people’; judge touts Operation Christmas

    Douglas County Superior Court Judge William “Beau” McClain confessed he has always “loved Superman.”

    McClain held up a Superman comic book at the Douglas County Republican Party’s meeting Saturday at American Legion Post 145 and told the crowd of more than 50 people he had finally realized why.

    “I found out almost 60 years into my life why I love Superman,” McClain said. “He saves people, helps people. He stands for truth, justice and the American way. He fights for what is right and he opposes what is wrong. So I became an assistant district attorney and I became a judge and those roles put me in a position to do that every single day. You can be cynical and laugh and say it’s a speech, but I’m telling my community and my friends you now know who Beau McClain is and why he does what he does.”


    McClain talked about his own calling to help others 10 years ago. He said Hurricane Katrina displaced thousands of people from Louisiana and Mississippi and that many of them wound up relocating to Douglas County and other parts of metro Atlanta.

    “God moved them and said you need to help them,” McClain said. “So I did.”

    McClain said he helped the Katrina refugees by working with charities like The Pantry and Faith in Action.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  59. Jefferson says:

    “having grown up in a 80%+ black neighborhood,”

    Why do you live in an over 80 percent Negro neighborhood? Is it because the rent is dirt cheap and that is all you can afford on your current salary?

  60. Meanwhile, a black man makes eight separate bomb threats to Jewish groups.

    And he’s charged with one count of harassing his ex-girlfriend, with a maximum five year penalty.

  61. lavoisier says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Wow. Even worse than I thought.

  62. @A1

    I agree absolutely. Other commenters have suggested there may have been provocation or even a need for self-defense. If so, either was/is an affirmative defense. The judge in this case sounds biased enough that he might have suppressed such evidence. The MSM fake news would avoid presenting it.

    Even if unprovoked, the offense was comparatively minor, assault with a deadly weapon, Aggravating factors may have been the involvement of children and that appalling designation, “hate crime”. Even so, in my neck of the woods such cases seldom result in more than six months behind bars and, more usually, several years on probation with community service, fines, etc,. as garnishes.

    I’ll bet the sentence is greatly reduced on appeal; the verdict may even be reversed if provocation or self-defense were factors.

    • Replies: @A1
  63. Clyde says:

    Anyone can be irrational, addicted to pet causes and vindictive. I see this all the time with liberal judges where they hand down wildly out of proportion punishment and prison time. Such as here with the 20 year prison sentence. This will be appealed of course, forcing the defendants to spend tens of thousands more on lawyers. This is their instant punishment by the evil judge. They will never get this money back. Mark Steyn complains about getting his worst punishment right now. Paying the lawyers in his legal battle, defending himself in a lawsuit brought by epic hockey stick guy Michael Mann. Mann has his bills covered by a liberal org

    And the Christian bakers in the NW who were fined $130,000 with (if I remember correctly) $110,000 of this going for pain and suffering to the lesbian couple they turned down. Refusing to bake their wedding cake. Christians just filed for appeal so the lawyers will get wealthy off them too. Though they did pull in some good funding from one of those crowd sourcing sites.

    Administrative law judge was involved in this case iirc…not gonna look it up.

  64. holy shit. people are defending 2 fuckers pointing guns at a kids party.

    holy fucking shit.

    I thought I have seen it all.

    omfgbbq, NYT is reporting it!!! fakenews!!! it is ok, shotgun was 50 ft away!!!

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  65. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I can certainly agree with what you are saying here. I worked for several years as a caretaker at a local high school. Groups would book the schools facilities for events (gyms, auditoriums etc.). There was a black group that met there every two weeks. A few hundred people would show up and it was just insane pandemonium. One guy would always be off that night just to avoid them. We had all kinds of different groups at the school but nobody ever came close to the noise, chaos and the trash and mess of the blacks. It had to be experienced to be believed.

  66. @Agent76

    Warren vs. the District of Columbia was in 1981.

    So, yes, nothing new there.

  67. Dr. Doom says:

    You need to up the ante on the enemy. They are using what is called lawfare or weaponized one sided courts. The way to neutralize this is to make some of these dirty lawfare soldiers fall down. When they fear reprisals they won’t do it anymore. These scum won’t sacrifice themselves. If they see they can fall down hard using what they foolishly believe is legalized terrorism they won’t be so eager to play this dirty game anymore.

  68. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Astuteobservor II

    Stop simplifying this issue with slogans.

    I have not defended pointing shotguns or any lethal weapon at someone without sufficient provocation. If these people did that they should certainly see some jail time. Assault with a deadly weapon is a serious crime.

    What is troubling is the severity of the sentence, not that the suspects should have been allowed to point a shotgun at someone else.

    I challenge you to come up with a similar case where a black couple was sent to prison for anywhere near twenty years for threatening someone with a gun. You won’t find it, because it does not happen.

    And why doesen’t it happen? Because there is something distinctly unfair about this judgment and the unfairness is rooted in the fact that the people who were threatened were black and the people who did the threatening were white.

    This is the issue. Either we have equal protection under the law or we do not. This case makes it clear to those who care about these issues that we do not.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Astuteobservor II
  69. Truth says:

    I challenge you to come up with a similar case where a black couple was sent to prison for anywhere near twenty years for threatening someone with a gun. You won’t find it, because it does not happen.

    20 years? Nah, won’t find it.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  70. Gene Su says:

    Manslaughter in New York can get you up to 25 years.

    I know some bloggers here hinted that maybe the convicted couple was provoked. Having said that, if you are going to go around picking fights and threatening innocent people with a deadly firearm for kicks, then maybe you can’t complaint about the legal penalty being too harsh. If they had just threatened someone with a less lethal weapon like a fist or a bat, then I might agree that the sentence was draconian.

    … Life isn’t fair. Get used to it…

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @Clyde
  71. @lavoisier

    because it involves kids bro. severity of the sentence goes way up when the judge wants to make an example.

    how do you all miss that?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  72. KenH says:
    @Gene Su

    Manslaughter in New York can get you up to 25 years.

    Do you realize your post is a bit contradictory? The act of this white couple falls far short of manslaughter and they received a sentence almost as harsh. And how do you know the blacks were so innocent?

    This whole story has a ring of “hand up, don’t shoot!” to it which means the NYT version is probably replete with half truths and false facts so it better lines up with the prepackaged PC narrative. But you bought it 100% because you want to believe the worst about these whites.

    … Life isn’t fair. Get used to it…

    You just don’t care because the couple didn’t look like you (i.e., they weren’t Asian). Would you be so callous and indifferent if they were your fellow Chinamen?

  73. lavoisier says: • Website

    Not the same. It was armed robbery. And he was already guilty as hell for murder.

    • Replies: @Truth
  74. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Astuteobservor II

    The judge has a responsibility to dispense justice. It is not his job to make an example of people with grossly unfair sentences for the sake of making himself look noble to the good whites.

    This judge is a self-righteous sociopath.

    I would be equally appalled by this sentence if it had been handed down to a black couple who had pulled a gun after being threatened by a crowd of white people who were throwing rocks at them.

    There is a divide in this country between white people who hate other white people and white people who do not hate themselves. This divide led to the first Civil War and it could well lead to the next Civil War.

    I don’t want discrimination against white people any more than I want discrimination against black people. Either we have equal protection under the law or we do not. If we do not, then those of us who see this principle as a bedrock of a republic have to think long and hard about whether we owe any allegiance to such a system of government.

    I for one am sick of it.

    No justice, no peace.

    Why cannot you see that bro?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @KenH
  75. @lavoisier

    Assault with a deadly weapon is usually a felony punishable by one to twenty years in prison, depending on the specific provisions of each state’s sentencing statute or sentencing guidelines. Normally, the judge has some discretion on the length of the sentence and whether to allow the defendant to serve any portion of the sentence on probation rather than in prison.

    this isn’t about black or white like some are trying to make it out to be. this is about 2 fuckers pointing guns at kids. fyi, the guy is hispanic.

    they were not punished beyond the law, 1-20 years, up to the judge.

    all your outrage is misplaced. save it for a worthy cause, not these fuckers.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  76. deuskek says:

    I do not know if this was pointed out in the comments – but the “respect the flag” crew had a flat tire near the home, and were assaulted by rocks. This is what prompted the heated exchange.

  77. Clyde says:
    @Gene Su

    I would love to see you in prison for twenty years for pointing a gun at people in the heat of the moment. The great Gene Su in prison for years! lol W plenty of time sharpen up your scrabble and checkers games and watch inmates argue over what retarded TV show is on with the volume up so high no one can think.

    20 years of this for boy genius Su.

  78. KenH says:

    Whites don’t have equal protection under the law and this modern day John Brown judge is only the tip of the iceberg. In New York state, a white judge sentenced a white man to 15yrs in prison for using lethal force in defending himself against a violent black attacker. The judge thought it was his mission to punish white people and protect blacks regardless of the facts of the cases he tried.

    Needless to say his guilty conscience has now caught up to him and he’s trying to make amends for it. The judge in this Georgia case is cut from the same cloth but arguably worse since he thinks destroying the lives of this “racist” white couple he’s doing the Lord’s work.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @lavoisier
  79. lavoisier says: • Website

    Thank you for sharing that.

    I hope these people can get a lawyer because they damn sure would likely win on appeal.

    I would request a trial by jury.

    I would trust a jury composed uniformly of black people over that evil self-righteous bastard who is hearing voices from God telling him that he is superman.

  80. lavoisier says: • Website

    True. But armed robbery is different from pulling a gun on a group of people throwing rocks at you.

    If he was not waving the confederate flag and using the N word he may have gotten off with probation.

    • Replies: @Truth
  81. @Truth

    Simpson was found responsible for taking two lives in civil court. I do not know the rules of evidence in Nevada but would not be surprised if this were admissible as evidence of character either during the trial or the imposition of sentence.

    • Replies: @Truth
  82. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Astuteobservor II

    I don’t give a damn if he is Hispanic or from Mars, the sentence is a travesty of justice.

    If there is a place where I can donate money to help the couple in their appeal I would gladly help out.

    And if anyone wants to start a petition advocating for judicial review of this so called judge, count me in as well.

    Fight for equality under the law, not screwing over people just because they say things that offend you.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  83. Ragno says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Followup reporting indicated that the blacks began throwing rocks and bottles at the whites at first sight of the flag; which makes sense, as instant escalation to shotguns never made sense. But the response becomes a little more plausible if they were being set upon by rowdy blacks smelling outnumbered prey.

    Anyhow, the real message has been sent and received: “red state”? What’s a “red state”? Just a boogeyman we scare money out of old donors with. You’re property, you brain-dead hick, and nothing more.

  84. @lavoisier

    what the hell does this have to do with being offended? why is the sentence a “travesty of justice”?

    the sentences were within the law. 1-20 years. judge’s call. that is the law.

    can’t read?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  85. A1 says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    I see your point. Thanks for the reply.

  86. Truth says:

    Simpson was sentenced for 33 years for robbing stuff that was once his. And where did it say anyone was throwing rocks?

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  87. Truth says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Evidence of character?

    This gets a man with NO criminal record a 33 year conviction, in a case in which no one was hurt?*

    *I’m giving you the simple argument here, any news story with a 33 in it is fake, OJ Simpson never killed anyone, and never went to jail. That was fake news, meant to promote civil and racial discord, and so was this. Neither event really happened.

  88. Cato says:

    Authorities are not always lenient to the left. Federal sentences (no early release) to the three anarchists who planned to bomb an Ohio bridge (and who relied on an informant for the technical expertise) received 8 to 11 years each.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  89. FKA Max says:

    And where did it say anyone was throwing rocks?

    Levi Bush, who was driving one of the trucks and was named in the indictment, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution in July that the convoy was leaving a nearby event and just happened to drive by the home. He said partygoers started yelling at the convoy and throwing rocks.

    The Stupid Stupidity Surrounding the Warrior Gene, MAOA, is Stupid

  90. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Same Anon Here-
    I trust the NY Times MUCH less than I used to. I really don’t know what the facts are here, and I’m not delving into it. But if this white couple pulled a shotgun on a black kid’s birthday party, I think they deserve prison time. But I DON’T think they deserve the time that seems to have been given given.
    Life is complex, for sure.

  91. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Astuteobservor II

    Think for a moment before you respond.

    If indeed assault with a deadly weapon carries a sentence from one to twenty years, why was this particular couple sentenced to the extreme end of that sentence?

    Could it have anything at all to do with the fact that they were white, those threatened were black, and the judge was a religious nutjob with a known fetish for African-American uplift?

    If you believe that none of these facts are relevant to the sentence just say so clearly and your reasons for believing this way.

    But please use proper grammar, capitalization, and spelling in your reasoned reply to my question.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  92. lavoisier says: • Website

    They were planning to bomb a bridge?

    What kind of sentence do you think plotting mass murder deserves?

    How is this in any way relevant to this particular case?

  93. @lavoisier

    which part of “judge’s call” do you not understand?

    that is the law: “1-20 years, judge’s call”

    the judge decides. the guy got max, the girl got 15. the sentences were what the judge wanted. perfectly within the law.

    I don’t give a damn about race or skin color. what I do care about is fuckers pointing guns at kids. those kids throwing rocks at you? call the cops. not pull out you guns.

    proportional response. learn it and live by it. every responsible gun owner knows it.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  94. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Astuteobservor II

    The part where the call was clearly biased.

    You did not answer my question.

    But I agree with you on one point: Do not take out your gun unless you are prepared to use it.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  95. @lavoisier

    you mean the retarded question about white and black? why would I answer that when the guy is hispanic? didn’t you comment that you didn’t care 😛 weren’t you all about “equal justice” when did this become a racial issue? kakaka

    also, if you are bringing up the issue of a personal agenda by the judge. the burden of proof is on you. and no, retarded speculation =/= proof.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  96. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Astuteobservor II

    I did bring up the issue of a personal agenda by the judge and provided a background to the story. You did not respond to my concerns. I believe that you could care less about examining whether this case was decided with justice in mind. The white racist trash got what they deserved.

    For the sake of rational discourse, learn how to spell and use proper capitalization.

    No justice, no peace.

  97. Heidi S says:

    This is directed at the person who MADE the video; not the person who shared/posted here.
    I agree with the message that the punishments are not fitting the crimes. However, when reporting events or repeating statements, you need to be more accurate. ESPECIALLY when things are put in quotes. Quotes are used to let us know that the contained words are EXACTLY what was said. (Unless indicated – which still has to be almost identical). We are tired of fake news, and this video is just as guilty. She did NOT say: “I do accept responsibility for what I’ve done.” She said: (paraphrasing) “That is not me. I would never say that to you. I am so sorry that happened to you.”

    And saying “sorry that happened to you” is not an admission of guilt.

    Link to the video:

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