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  • Source in Saudi Arabia says American private security contractors are carrying out’interrogations’ on princes and billionaires arrested in crackdown
  • Detained members of Saudi elite have been hung by their feet and beaten by interrogates, source says
  • Among those hung upside down are Prince Alwaleed bin Talal, an investor worth at least $7 billion who is being held at Riyadh’s Ritz Carlton
  • Arrests were ordered three weeks ago by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman
  • Source claims mercenaries are from ‘Blackwater’, a claim also made by Lebanese president
  • But its successor firm denies it has any operations in Saudi Arabia whatsoever and says its staff abide by U.S. law
  • Americans who commit torture abroad can be jailed for up to 20 years

Saudi princes and billionaire businessmen arrested in a power grab earlier this month are being strung up by their feet and beaten by American private security contractors, a source in the country tells DailyMail.com.

The group of the country’s most powerful figures were arrested in a crackdown ordered by Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman three weeks ago as he ordered the detention of at least 11 fellow princes and hundreds of businessmen and government officials over claims of corruption.

Just last month, the Crown Prince vowed to restore ‘moderate, open Islam’ in the kingdom and relaxed a number of its ultra-conservative rules, including lifting a ban on women driving.

DailyMail.com can disclose that the arrests have been followed by ‘interrogations’ which a source said were being carried out by ‘American mercenaries’ brought in to work for the 32-year-old crown prince, who is now the kingdom’s most powerful figure.

‘They are beating them, torturing them, slapping them, insulting them. They want to break them down,’ the source told DailyMail.com.

‘Blackwater’ has been named by DailyMail.com’s source as the firm involved, and the claim of its presence in Saudi Arabia has also been made on Arabic social media, and by Lebanon’s president.

The firm’s successor, Academi, strongly denies even being in Saudi Arabia and says it does not engage in torture, which it is illegal for any U.S. citizen to commit anywhere in the world.

The Saudi crown prince, according to the source, has also confiscated more than $194 billion from the bank accounts and seized assets of those arrested.

 
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  1. Meimou says: • Website

    The group of the country’s most powerful figures were arrested in a crackdown ordered by Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman three weeks ago as he ordered the detention of at least 11 fellow princes and hundreds of businessmen and government officials over claims of corruption.

    “Corruption” they’re calling it. Sounds like a soft purge to me, but I read that some of these people support the democratic party, so purge away.

    Just last month, the Crown Prince vowed to restore ‘moderate, open Islam’ in the kingdom and relaxed a number of its ultra-conservative rules, including lifting a ban on women driving.

    If you want to moderate Sudia Arabia, fine, but what ever you do, do not let women vote! That will the beginning of the end for SA. Let them drive, let them work, do let them vote or have anything to do with politics.

    ‘They are beating them, torturing them, slapping them, insulting them. They want to break them down,’ the source told DailyMail.com.

    If the crowned prince wanted to torture them I don’t think he would put them up at the Ritz. I suspect that this story is propaganda put out by some faction loyal to the detainees.

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  2. FKA Max says: • Website

    Notorious Mercenary Erik Prince Is Advising Trump From the Shadows

    In July, Prince told Trump’s senior adviser and white supremacist Steve Bannon, at the time head of Breitbart News, that the Trump administration should recreate a version of the Phoenix Program, the CIA assassination ring that operated during the Vietnam War, to fight ISIS. Such a program, Prince said, could kill or capture “the funders of Islamic terror and that would even be the wealthy radical Islamist billionaires funding it from the Middle East, and any of the other illicit activities they’re in.”

    https://theintercept.com/2017/01/17/notorious-mercenary-erik-prince-is-advising-trump-from-the-shadows/

    Trump Admin Raising Phoenix Program From the Ashes

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    • Replies: @El Dato
    The web is so tangled up in perversion, nepotism, mental illness, exploitation, lies, fanaticism, taxpayer instrumentation, quid-pro-quos and ball-grabbing-(or ball licking)-from-the-rear that we don't know who does what where to whom when. Anything can be true. Or false. Or false in one case but true in another, Rashomon style.

    But we probably can get a remake of Apocalypse Now out of this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia9nUp0NshM

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  3. Why is this happening?

    “Because that’s where the money is.” -William Francis “Slick Willie” Sutton, Jr. (1901 – 1980)

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  4. Attacking the rich is always popular with the masses. China’s Xi consolidated power after a token purge of China’s corrupt elite. These days Crown Prince bin Salman is very popular with the ordinary citizens of SA.

    America could use a similar purge of our increasingly decadent, arrogant and corrupt elite. Harvey Weinstein, George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, Sergei Brin, Jeff Bezos, Lloyd Blankfein, Stephen Schwarzman and all the vampire squids of Wall Street being hung upside down beaten and stripped of 99% of their fortune would make any POTUS the most popular ever.

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    • Replies: @Malla

    America could use a similar purge of our increasingly decadent, arrogant and corrupt elite. Harvey Weinstein, George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, Sergei Brin, Jeff Bezos, Lloyd Blankfein, Stephen Schwarzman and all the vampire squids of Wall Street being hung upside down beaten and stripped of 99% of their fortune would make any POTUS the most popular ever.

     

    LOL
    , @anon
    It's far more likely that the group you mentioned would be deciding who gets tortured. The best we can do is to see that the rules we agree to as an open society are actually practiced by weak and strong alike. Since we seem to be far from that situation, the possibility of vigilante violence and harsh measures to suppress it is growing.
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  6. El Dato says:

    Saudi Crown Prince says Iran’s Ayatollah is the ‘new Hitler’ while guys financed by I wonder who exactly ‘They shot at ambulances’: 235 dead, scores injured in bomb & gun attack at Sinai mosque.

    These guys are a hoot.

    Reaching USraeli levels of chutzpah? No sweat.

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  7. El Dato says:
    @FKA Max
    Notorious Mercenary Erik Prince Is Advising Trump From the Shadows

    In July, Prince told Trump’s senior adviser and white supremacist Steve Bannon, at the time head of Breitbart News, that the Trump administration should recreate a version of the Phoenix Program, the CIA assassination ring that operated during the Vietnam War, to fight ISIS. Such a program, Prince said, could kill or capture “the funders of Islamic terror and that would even be the wealthy radical Islamist billionaires funding it from the Middle East, and any of the other illicit activities they’re in.”
     
    - https://theintercept.com/2017/01/17/notorious-mercenary-erik-prince-is-advising-trump-from-the-shadows/

    Trump Admin Raising Phoenix Program From the Ashes

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXs4VOwNVjA

    The web is so tangled up in perversion, nepotism, mental illness, exploitation, lies, fanaticism, taxpayer instrumentation, quid-pro-quos and ball-grabbing-(or ball licking)-from-the-rear that we don’t know who does what where to whom when. Anything can be true. Or false. Or false in one case but true in another, Rashomon style.

    But we probably can get a remake of Apocalypse Now out of this.

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  8. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    MBS is flunking Machiavelli 101. You can’t just take the money away from over 1200 guys, torture them, and let them loose. No way. They’ll band together and scrape up their last hidden coins and rain assassins down on your head.

    One thing to note: I read there are 22,000 Saudi royals, of which 7,000 are princes. Presumably, the ones below 18 have no access to cash without their father’s permission, and the younger princes aged 18-30 or so are still too young to be on the gravy train of collecting bribes and skimming off the top without the say-so of their fathers. In other words, when MBS locked up 1200 men, it’s possible he may have kidnapped 30-50 percent of all the senior males in the Saudi royal family, presumably the ones not allied with his own family line. I’ve heard that the number given is actually higher than 1200.

    Of course, if MBS isn’t flunking Machiavelli 101, and he’s being very ruthless indeed, then the moment those men expose where their finances are hidden and and hand them over to MBS, MBS will just kill them once he has the signatures. It’s a very likely outcome.

    Trump is undoubtedly hostile to Saudi-sponsored terrorism, but smiling on a mass murder like MBS is going to be bad for Trump’s reputation. Nonetheless, I believe Trump doesn’t see himself as being their keeper, and he’s going to let both the Arab world and MBS get into trouble on their own.

    The long game? Fundamental weakening of all the Middle East states via warfare, which is something the US could exploit for its own purposes. The Saudis did a number on US shale oil companies by trying to lower the price of oil to where the shale companies would be wiped out, and I have no doubt Trump remembers this. I think he sees the Saudis as economic terrorists, as well as literal terrorists, and that they’re getting what they deserve.

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    Of course, if MBS isn’t flunking Machiavelli 101, and he’s being very ruthless indeed, then the moment those men expose where their finances are hidden and and hand them over to MBS, MBS will just kill them once he has the signatures. It’s a very likely outcome.
     
    Immoral as it may sound, if MBS is truly smart and Machiavellian, he would get rid of their families too. In tribal clannish societies like Saudi Arabia, children and family hold grudges of the death of their ilk, grudges that last decades. It is a feudal mafia world out there.
    I know Ghenghis Khan would have done just that.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    In fairness, I wouldn't take what The Daily Mail writes at face value.
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  9. Brabantian says: • Website

    Every billionaire in the world must be, at least subconsciously, very un-nerved by these stories from Saudi Arabia … Saudi billionaires now perhaps suffering, as they have allowed & enabled so many others to be tortured & suffer

    The beating & torture of the billionaires underscores how fragile is the power & wealth of such people. Everything billionaires have, depends on a certain legal structure – which can change overnight – and on the loyalty of security services – which can change overnight

    As was true in ancient Rome, where the Praetorian Guard giving security to the emperors, eventually chose the emperors & controlled the empire

    And there is no place to hide … USA, China & Russia apparently are all ‘backing’ Mohammed bin Salman with his ‘reforms’ in Saudi Arabia … as apparently also the other recent coup d’état in Zimbabwe, where ‘one Chinese-backed regime is being replaced by another Chinese-backed regime’

    As was seen with Mubarak in Egypt etc, once these international billionaires lose their role in the ‘global order’, the Swiss & other banks holding their assets suddenly ‘realise’ they are holding ‘funds obtained by corruption’ & the assets are seized

    And given the often-evil lives of such people, there is limited concern when it is the billionaires’ turn to be beaten & jailed by the goons

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  10. Malla says:
    @Moses Returns
    Attacking the rich is always popular with the masses. China's Xi consolidated power after a token purge of China's corrupt elite. These days Crown Prince bin Salman is very popular with the ordinary citizens of SA.

    America could use a similar purge of our increasingly decadent, arrogant and corrupt elite. Harvey Weinstein, George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, Sergei Brin, Jeff Bezos, Lloyd Blankfein, Stephen Schwarzman and all the vampire squids of Wall Street being hung upside down beaten and stripped of 99% of their fortune would make any POTUS the most popular ever.

    America could use a similar purge of our increasingly decadent, arrogant and corrupt elite. Harvey Weinstein, George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, Sergei Brin, Jeff Bezos, Lloyd Blankfein, Stephen Schwarzman and all the vampire squids of Wall Street being hung upside down beaten and stripped of 99% of their fortune would make any POTUS the most popular ever.

    LOL

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  11. Malla says:
    @Anon
    MBS is flunking Machiavelli 101. You can't just take the money away from over 1200 guys, torture them, and let them loose. No way. They'll band together and scrape up their last hidden coins and rain assassins down on your head.

    One thing to note: I read there are 22,000 Saudi royals, of which 7,000 are princes. Presumably, the ones below 18 have no access to cash without their father's permission, and the younger princes aged 18-30 or so are still too young to be on the gravy train of collecting bribes and skimming off the top without the say-so of their fathers. In other words, when MBS locked up 1200 men, it's possible he may have kidnapped 30-50 percent of all the senior males in the Saudi royal family, presumably the ones not allied with his own family line. I've heard that the number given is actually higher than 1200.

    Of course, if MBS isn't flunking Machiavelli 101, and he's being very ruthless indeed, then the moment those men expose where their finances are hidden and and hand them over to MBS, MBS will just kill them once he has the signatures. It's a very likely outcome.

    Trump is undoubtedly hostile to Saudi-sponsored terrorism, but smiling on a mass murder like MBS is going to be bad for Trump's reputation. Nonetheless, I believe Trump doesn't see himself as being their keeper, and he's going to let both the Arab world and MBS get into trouble on their own.

    The long game? Fundamental weakening of all the Middle East states via warfare, which is something the US could exploit for its own purposes. The Saudis did a number on US shale oil companies by trying to lower the price of oil to where the shale companies would be wiped out, and I have no doubt Trump remembers this. I think he sees the Saudis as economic terrorists, as well as literal terrorists, and that they're getting what they deserve.

    Of course, if MBS isn’t flunking Machiavelli 101, and he’s being very ruthless indeed, then the moment those men expose where their finances are hidden and and hand them over to MBS, MBS will just kill them once he has the signatures. It’s a very likely outcome.

    Immoral as it may sound, if MBS is truly smart and Machiavellian, he would get rid of their families too. In tribal clannish societies like Saudi Arabia, children and family hold grudges of the death of their ilk, grudges that last decades. It is a feudal mafia world out there.
    I know Ghenghis Khan would have done just that.

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  12. It’s the American Way!

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  13. Beating the soles of someone’s feet is called “bastinado” and is a traditional form of punishment in Arabia, even used on schoolboys in traditional madrassahs, and is still pretty routine in police interrogations. If foreign mercenaries are carrying it out, they are undoubtedly doing it to the specification of their Saudi employer. If Americans want to torture you, they would waterboard you. Easier, more effective and no physical traces.

    Blackwater/Academi/Constellis is probably telling the truth. They don’t need the regulatory/PR headache of involvement in this. MBS may have hired free agent mercenaries who used to be Blackwater employees, however.

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  14. @Anon
    MBS is flunking Machiavelli 101. You can't just take the money away from over 1200 guys, torture them, and let them loose. No way. They'll band together and scrape up their last hidden coins and rain assassins down on your head.

    One thing to note: I read there are 22,000 Saudi royals, of which 7,000 are princes. Presumably, the ones below 18 have no access to cash without their father's permission, and the younger princes aged 18-30 or so are still too young to be on the gravy train of collecting bribes and skimming off the top without the say-so of their fathers. In other words, when MBS locked up 1200 men, it's possible he may have kidnapped 30-50 percent of all the senior males in the Saudi royal family, presumably the ones not allied with his own family line. I've heard that the number given is actually higher than 1200.

    Of course, if MBS isn't flunking Machiavelli 101, and he's being very ruthless indeed, then the moment those men expose where their finances are hidden and and hand them over to MBS, MBS will just kill them once he has the signatures. It's a very likely outcome.

    Trump is undoubtedly hostile to Saudi-sponsored terrorism, but smiling on a mass murder like MBS is going to be bad for Trump's reputation. Nonetheless, I believe Trump doesn't see himself as being their keeper, and he's going to let both the Arab world and MBS get into trouble on their own.

    The long game? Fundamental weakening of all the Middle East states via warfare, which is something the US could exploit for its own purposes. The Saudis did a number on US shale oil companies by trying to lower the price of oil to where the shale companies would be wiped out, and I have no doubt Trump remembers this. I think he sees the Saudis as economic terrorists, as well as literal terrorists, and that they're getting what they deserve.

    In fairness, I wouldn’t take what The Daily Mail writes at face value.

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    The Mail seems to do a much better job of covering America than the US corporate media filth.
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  15. Svigor says:

    As source we have Arabs, who are, among others, in the MENA category. MENAs are among the world’s most facile liars (I’m talking behavioral genetics here, mostly).

    America could use a similar purge of our increasingly decadent, arrogant and corrupt elite. Harvey Weinstein, George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, Sergei Brin, Jeff Bezos, Lloyd Blankfein, Stephen Schwarzman and all the vampire squids of Wall Street being hung upside down beaten and stripped of 99% of their fortune would make any POTUS the most popular ever.

    Is Bezos the token goy, or did you think he’s Jewish?

    He isn’t Jewish. One tell is that he’s big into space flight. It seems to be a very un-Jewish pursuit.

    The long game? Fundamental weakening of all the Middle East states via warfare, which is something the US could exploit for its own purposes. The Saudis did a number on US shale oil companies by trying to lower the price of oil to where the shale companies would be wiped out, and I have no doubt Trump remembers this. I think he sees the Saudis as economic terrorists, as well as literal terrorists, and that they’re getting what they deserve.

    Shale will come back when the price rises again. Actually I think I remember reading that it has partially come back since the Arab dumping scheme.

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  16. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Sounds like fake news. Americans doing the jobs Arabs won’t do? A Pakistani or Egyptian torturer would probably be cheaper than some high priced American merc. Besides, i thought they didn’t like non-Muslims hanging around that place

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  17. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Well, in principle I am against torture. I am also against dehumanizing anyone, however repulsive s/he might be. But for the life of me, I can’t drum up any pity for a Saudi prince. Wouldn’t be able to drum up any pity for a Saudi king, either. Go figure.

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  18. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Moses Returns
    Attacking the rich is always popular with the masses. China's Xi consolidated power after a token purge of China's corrupt elite. These days Crown Prince bin Salman is very popular with the ordinary citizens of SA.

    America could use a similar purge of our increasingly decadent, arrogant and corrupt elite. Harvey Weinstein, George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg, Sergei Brin, Jeff Bezos, Lloyd Blankfein, Stephen Schwarzman and all the vampire squids of Wall Street being hung upside down beaten and stripped of 99% of their fortune would make any POTUS the most popular ever.

    It’s far more likely that the group you mentioned would be deciding who gets tortured. The best we can do is to see that the rules we agree to as an open society are actually practiced by weak and strong alike. Since we seem to be far from that situation, the possibility of vigilante violence and harsh measures to suppress it is growing.

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  19. @Anatoly Karlin
    In fairness, I wouldn't take what The Daily Mail writes at face value.

    The Mail seems to do a much better job of covering America than the US corporate media filth.

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