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September 1961. Geneva, Switzerland. A Turkish classmate of mine named Turgut burst into my room, crying, ‘those bastards just hanged my father!’

The ‘bastards’ in question were Turkey’s generals. They had overthrown the civilian government of Adnan Menderes and hanged my friend’s father. Since, then, the mighty Turkish armed forces has tried to overthrow the government about every ten years.

Last weekend’s military coup in Turkey was the fifth coup since the 1960’s. Many had believed the mighty, 610,000-man Turkish armed forces, backed by 379,000 trained reserves, NATO’s second largest forces after the US, had finally been driven back to its barracks by the popular democratic AK party government of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

So it seemed until last Friday when tanks seized the two Bosphorus bridges in Istanbul, and attacks were staged against key targets, like TV stations, the intelligence HQ, and government buildings. Five very senior generals and 25 colonels were reportedly at the core of the uprising.

A special commando team was sent to capture or, more likely, kill President Erdogan who was vacationing at the seaside resort, Marmaris. He managed to escape minutes before the plotters struck. A number of his bodyguards were killed. Erdogan boarded a small plane and flew to Istanbul as two rebel F-16 jets were hunting his black-outed aircraft. The president and his military loyalists rallied troops and the air force. It was all eerily similar to the 1991 coup attempt on the vacationing Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, by hardline Communists.

Turkey and its predecessor, the Ottoman Empire, have been vexed by military meddling and plots since the 1600’s, notably by the elite military corps, the Janissaries.

Today’s Janissary are the modern Turkish armed forces. They have long been joined at the hip with the Pentagon. Like Latin America’s generals, Turkey’s pashas (generals) were far to the right, hidebound, and reliant on US finance and arms. Turkey’s pashas were also virulently anti-Muslim. They regarded Islam as backwards and a threat to the secular oligarchy that long ruled Turkey under successive military juntas.

The coup leaders believed they would have popular support. Far from it, throngs of Turks poured into the streets supporting Erdogan’s AK party and calling the insurgents traitors. Five Turks were run over by tanks after they sought to stop the rebel armor with their bodies.

The government squarely blamed the prominent Sufi religious leader, Fethullah Gulen, who lives, of all places, in rural Pennyslvania. Gulen runs a vast and shadowy religious-business-education empire that has a very large following across Turkey that included leading newspapers, academia and many in the military.

Gulen was a close ally of Erdogan, but they fell out and became bitter enemies. Gulen was close to the US and often sided with Israel. His exile in the US was reportedly engineered by the CIA.

This has led many Turks to accuse Washington of trying to overthrow Erdogan by using the military and Gulen – which the US denies.

Adding yet more mystery, the Turkish commander of Incerlik air base in eastern Turkey was a key coup plotter. Incerlik is used by the US Air Force for Mideast operations.

The F-16 pilot who downed a Russian SU-24 bombers last year, sparking a huge crisis with Moscow, has been arrested in the coup dragnet. Could the ambush of the Russian warplane have been part of a plot to embarrass and undermine Erdogan? Looks like it.

Furthermore, the coup reminded the world that the US keeps 50-60 B-61 thermonuclear bombs at Incerlik. These H-bombs could have fallen into the hands of the rebels. What purpose do these Cold War antiques serve today?

ORDER IT NOW

Back to the coup. It was not jut the work of the Gulenists, as Turkey’s government claims. There’s a whole other aspect to the coup: the hard right, Europeanized secularists who regard 1930’s Islam-hating military dictator, Kemal Ataturk, as a demi-god and state religion. They joined the army generals in over throwing Turkey’s past governments, keeping the nation unstable, chaotic and afflicted by financial crises.

Last weekend’s coup was a joint effort by the secular old guard and the Gulenists to reverse history. Unable to defeat the wildly popular Erdogan at the polls, they keep resorting to violence.

Two previous plots to overthrow Erdogan, known as Ergonikon and then Sledgehammer, nearly succeeded. Turkey’s judiciary, academia, media were riddled with Gulenists and rightist secularists. Generals involved in these plots were exonerated by courts. The government ended up in a 40-year ongoing civil war within its own ranks. That’s why nearly 60,000 anti-government officers and civilians are being purged. A third of all generals are being fired or retired.

The west’s response to the crisis was disgraceful.

Instead of immediately supporting Turkey’s besieged democratic government, Washington, London, Paris and Ottawa all issued only lukewarm, half-hearted support. President Erdogan is not liked, particularly by the US. He is a Muslim, too independent-minded, insufficiently response to American demands in spite of his support for the anti-ISIS war in Syria and Iraq. Perhaps worst of all, Erdogan is sometimes critical of Israel over its repression of the Palestinians.

As a result, leading US neocon papers, like the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, and NY Times drip with venom over Erdogan. CNN’s coverage of the coup was astoundingly biased and nasty, worthy of the old Pravda. The anti-Erdogan neocons began spreading the ludicrous canard that the coup was a false-flag operation staged by the Turkish leader himself. It was the real thing. Even Turkey’s opposition parties sided with Erdogan’s AK.

Erdogan is hardly perfect. He is often too authoritarian and made a mess in Syria. But his triumph in protecting Turkey’s hard-won democracy should be lauded and strongly supported by his NATO allies, starting with the US – which was quick to support the brutal military coup in Egypt. Time for Washington to come clean on its murky links to Gulen.

(Republished from EricMargolis.com by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. So, the author is essentially saying the US was behind the coup and it failed. I remember the good old days when we could depose leaders of other countries with aplomb. Surely this is a sign that it is in need of someone to make America great again.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    The author is essentially saying the US neocons, with close links with Israel and the internationalist marketist cult, were behind the coup and failed.

    In this year's presidential election campaign "Make America Great Again" is the slogan of a candidate supporting less interventionism, more neutrality in international conflicts, and a reduction of the military budget.
    For the first time America's "Greatness" is being associated to the converse of bullying other countries and removing/killing their leaders.

    We are talking of reshaping the concept of American Greatness, into something that doesn't actually mean American infamy.
    This is why you see the murderers of Libya's and Iraq's Presidents (directly) and of more than a million Arab people in 15 years (directly, and indirectly) so concerned: they can't conceive that one of the two candidates to President winning could mean a non-victory to them. In other words, both candidates are from their party, and they have gotten used to win anyway.

    They can't conceive the prospect that their unilateral wars to Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, and the constant threatening of the two other world's biggest powers, China and Russia, came to a stop.
    Keep Ourselves as Great as We Have Been Lately, and fuck American(s) is their real slogan, though their "papers", as Margolis names them, fail to report it.
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  2. ‘…The anti-Erdogan neocons began spreading the ludicrous canard that the coup was a false-flag operation staged by the Turkish leader himself…’

    Actual question: Is this the first time any Unz.com columnist has ever condemned a ‘false-flag’ accusation for any reason whatsoever? I don’t recall another case.

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    ‘…The anti-Erdogan neocons began spreading the ludicrous canard that the coup was a false-flag operation staged by the Turkish leader himself…’

    Erdogan was useful to neocons as an ally against Assad allied with Iran.

    Maybe neocons soured on him when he thought twice about Syria.

    Still, recall that Erdogan patched things with Israel.

    Whatever neocons thought, I don't think US had direct involvement in this matter.

    But maybe Erdogan's renewed approach to Russia made him hated in Washington.

    On the issue of the Kurds, there is no difference between Erdogan and the military.
    Both believe in ruthless repression.

    Maybe the military believes Erdogan needlessly exacerbated the Kurd problem by getting involved in Syria.
    Erdogan sided with Islamist rebels and terrorists against the secular Assad.

    Because of the mess in Syria, there is support for Syrian Kurds to fight ISIS, and that spills over into Kurdish-Turkish struggle against Ankara.

  3. Randal says:

    The F-16 pilot who downed a Russian SU-24 bombers last year, sparking a huge crisis with Moscow, has been arrested in the coup dragnet. Could the ambush of the Russian warplane have been part of a plot to embarrass and undermine Erdogan?

    If it wasn’t, it’ll be very useful to make it so anyway, given the recent apology to Russia and presumed intent therefore to achieve a rapprochement.

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  4. SysATI says:

    Even though I agree with his conclusion, the author should check his facts before publishing an article like this one…

    A lots of what he is saying is totally wrong, and I’m not talking about opinions or ideas he has but simple historical facts. Drawing conclusions when the premises are false is a risky business…

    “So it seemed until last Friday when tanks seized the two Bosphorus bridges in Istanbul…”
    There where no tanks on the bridges but just a couple of army trucks

    “…two rebel F-16 jets were hunting his black-outed aircraft”
    Yeah sure, with its transponder wide open and the coordinates of the plane even published on twitter, the “rebel” F-16 missed it, especially with US satellites info….

    “There’s a whole other aspect to the coup: the hard right, Europeanized secularists who regard 1930’s Islam-hating military dictator, Kemal Ataturk, as a demi-god and state religion. They joined the army generals in over throwing Turkey’s past governments, keeping the nation unstable, chaotic and afflicted by financial crises.”

    You are disgusting or VERY missinformed. Atatürk has been a role model not only in Turkey but in many countries for the past decades. Especially in Muslim countries. He was not an “Islam-hating military dictator” but simply a leader with a clear understanding of the place of the religion. NOT in state business. Most European countries are run exactly that same way, so their leader are Christian-hating fanatics ???

    “Last weekend’s coup was a joint effort by the secular old guard and the Gulenists to reverse history. Unable to defeat the wildly popular Erdogan at the polls, they keep resorting to violence.”

    Both the secular party leader and the Kurd party leader have blamed the coup attempt and no one thinks they had anything to do with it. It was an Islamist faction (the Gülenists, probably baked by the CIA) against another Islamist faction, the followers of RT Erdogan.

    And BTW, Erdogan is not “widely popular”, he uses the state medias as his own, has forced most of the private medias into bankruptcy then sold them to his most trust-wordy friends. So with the power of pretty much all of the media and certainly much more fraudulent activities than anyone could imagine, he got 51% of the votes…. A monkey could’ve gotten a better result !

    “Two previous plots to overthrow Erdogan, known as Ergonikon and then Sledgehammer, nearly succeeded.”

    You really don’t know anything about Turkish history and politics :((((((
    Ergenekon & Balyoz where two judiciary plots organized against the Turkish army by Erdogan and the Gülenists to undermine its authority. It succeeded and dozens of high ranked generals where jailed for many years. Then later on, it was “discovered” that the proofs were false and they were released. It was an Islamists against secularists thing not the other way around !

    “Turkey’s judiciary, academia, media were riddled with Gulenists and rightist secularists.”

    The only secularist political party in Turkey is the CHP (Republican Party).
    It used to be Atatütk’s political party and is and always has been social democrat and LEFTIST….

    “The government ended up in a 40-year ongoing civil war within its own ranks.”
    Ergenekon & Balyoz date back to 2006, so 10 years ago. Don’t know where those “40 years” come from, but certainly not from Turkish history…

    You really really shouldn’t be writing about a country you know so little about…

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    • Agree: Regnum Nostrum
    • Replies: @Marcus
    Margolis is consistently idiotic, he thinks his bold statements and flowery historical references make up or a lack substance.
    , @El Dato
    Full ack!

    This article was like seeing someone driving off a cliff.

    Not a single word that the hailed "democracy" is now being flushed down the shitter. (And Madame Clinton's "Hitler detector" hasn't even been triggered once. She must have taken her political sleepypills. I would call that "support" indeed.)

    Those F-16s were Erdogan-friendly, as the blew putschist helicopters out of the sky.

    I suppose Margolis has had a brain aneurism.


    Time for Washington to come clean on its murky links to Gulen.
     
    Actually that sounds like a commandeered article...
  5. Philip Owen [AKA "Soarintothesky"] says:

    Isn’t there a clause in Turkey’s constitution allowing the army to restore Kemalist secularism if religious groups take over government?

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    • Replies: @Anynomous
    Yes, but who cares for Constitutions tooday?
    Constitutions, were a "White people" 's invention.

    Most of the world's never understood their purpose. The small portion of it that saw a purpose in Constitutions doesn't see it any longer.

    "Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants (...), unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent."

    Just an example.
  6. anon says: • Disclaimer

    All I know is that the Muslim world and democracy do not seem to mix.

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  7. Zach says:

    In his book “Turkey Unveiled,” Hugh Pope quotes a Turkish general: “It’s better to be a Marxist than a religious fundamentalist–at least a Marxist believes in the future.” At the time, the 1990s, this might not have been what the USA wanted to hear.

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  8. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    In the meantime, the EU is mourning Erdogan’s (political) survival.

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  9. Anynomous says:
    @Philip Owen


    Isn't there a clause in Turkey's constitution allowing the army to restore Kemalist secularism if religious groups take over government?

    Yes, but who cares for Constitutions tooday?
    Constitutions, were a “White people” ‘s invention.

    Most of the world’s never understood their purpose. The small portion of it that saw a purpose in Constitutions doesn’t see it any longer.

    “Mr. Obama embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties that did little to box him in. It in effect counts all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants (…), unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent.”

    Just an example.

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  10. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @The Alarmist
    So, the author is essentially saying the US was behind the coup and it failed. I remember the good old days when we could depose leaders of other countries with aplomb. Surely this is a sign that it is in need of someone to make America great again.

    The author is essentially saying the US neocons, with close links with Israel and the internationalist marketist cult, were behind the coup and failed.

    In this year’s presidential election campaign “Make America Great Again” is the slogan of a candidate supporting less interventionism, more neutrality in international conflicts, and a reduction of the military budget.
    For the first time America’s “Greatness” is being associated to the converse of bullying other countries and removing/killing their leaders.

    We are talking of reshaping the concept of American Greatness, into something that doesn’t actually mean American infamy.
    This is why you see the murderers of Libya’s and Iraq’s Presidents (directly) and of more than a million Arab people in 15 years (directly, and indirectly) so concerned: they can’t conceive that one of the two candidates to President winning could mean a non-victory to them. In other words, both candidates are from their party, and they have gotten used to win anyway.

    They can’t conceive the prospect that their unilateral wars to Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, and the constant threatening of the two other world’s biggest powers, China and Russia, came to a stop.
    Keep Ourselves as Great as We Have Been Lately, and fuck American(s) is their real slogan, though their “papers”, as Margolis names them, fail to report it.

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    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    You're preaching to the choir, friend. I was just having what I thought was light-hearted fun. Truth of the matter is that the US used to function much better when the purpose of government was to do things for the nation and not merely to provide a path to wealth and security for a select cadre of people drawn from distinct pockets of selected groups.
    , @Regnum Nostrum

    They can’t conceive the prospect that their unilateral wars to Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, and the constant threatening of the two other world’s biggest powers, China and Russia, came to a stop.
     
    Wishful thinking at its best.
  11. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    This sounds more like a press release from AKP than an independent analysis

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  12. @Anonymous
    The author is essentially saying the US neocons, with close links with Israel and the internationalist marketist cult, were behind the coup and failed.

    In this year's presidential election campaign "Make America Great Again" is the slogan of a candidate supporting less interventionism, more neutrality in international conflicts, and a reduction of the military budget.
    For the first time America's "Greatness" is being associated to the converse of bullying other countries and removing/killing their leaders.

    We are talking of reshaping the concept of American Greatness, into something that doesn't actually mean American infamy.
    This is why you see the murderers of Libya's and Iraq's Presidents (directly) and of more than a million Arab people in 15 years (directly, and indirectly) so concerned: they can't conceive that one of the two candidates to President winning could mean a non-victory to them. In other words, both candidates are from their party, and they have gotten used to win anyway.

    They can't conceive the prospect that their unilateral wars to Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, and the constant threatening of the two other world's biggest powers, China and Russia, came to a stop.
    Keep Ourselves as Great as We Have Been Lately, and fuck American(s) is their real slogan, though their "papers", as Margolis names them, fail to report it.

    You’re preaching to the choir, friend. I was just having what I thought was light-hearted fun. Truth of the matter is that the US used to function much better when the purpose of government was to do things for the nation and not merely to provide a path to wealth and security for a select cadre of people drawn from distinct pockets of selected groups.

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  13. TheJester says:

    This article has perhaps the loosest grip on reality and history than any other article I have read on the Unz Review. One hardly knows where to start the repudiation.

    But I get the gist of Eric Margolis’ claim:

    Turks have generally believed that Ataturk created modern, Westernized, secular Turkey by rejecting the Islamic vision of the religious state ruled by Caliphs and Imams. As no small feat, he also mandated Latin characters and reading left-to-right. Without Ataturk, Turkey would resemble, let’s say, contemporary Egypt … a Islamic basket case firmly rooted in the 6th Century.

    But, Eric says, they are wrong! Erdogan is the one creating modern Turkey by leading a counter-revolution against Ataturk and returning Turkey to its Islamic roots. To do this, he is purging Turkish society of Ataturk’s legacy of secularism and other Western influences. Erdogan mimes “democracy”, but in the tradition of the Islamic “strong man” who is voted into office once and then has himself declared President for Life in a one-party state.

    The secular Turks’ dreamed for decades about becoming part of the EU … an official part of Western Europe and its traditions. Erdogan has a different vision … to become the leader of a resurgent Islamic world by recreating the Ottoman Caliphate — the “sick man of Europe — that Ataturk overthrew in 1924.

    Good luck, Eric, with your vision of a brave (and dangerous) new world in the Middle East.

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  14. @Anonymous
    The author is essentially saying the US neocons, with close links with Israel and the internationalist marketist cult, were behind the coup and failed.

    In this year's presidential election campaign "Make America Great Again" is the slogan of a candidate supporting less interventionism, more neutrality in international conflicts, and a reduction of the military budget.
    For the first time America's "Greatness" is being associated to the converse of bullying other countries and removing/killing their leaders.

    We are talking of reshaping the concept of American Greatness, into something that doesn't actually mean American infamy.
    This is why you see the murderers of Libya's and Iraq's Presidents (directly) and of more than a million Arab people in 15 years (directly, and indirectly) so concerned: they can't conceive that one of the two candidates to President winning could mean a non-victory to them. In other words, both candidates are from their party, and they have gotten used to win anyway.

    They can't conceive the prospect that their unilateral wars to Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, and the constant threatening of the two other world's biggest powers, China and Russia, came to a stop.
    Keep Ourselves as Great as We Have Been Lately, and fuck American(s) is their real slogan, though their "papers", as Margolis names them, fail to report it.

    They can’t conceive the prospect that their unilateral wars to Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Syria, and the constant threatening of the two other world’s biggest powers, China and Russia, came to a stop.

    Wishful thinking at its best.

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  15. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    “Erdogan is hardly perfect. He is often too authoritarian and made a mess in Syria. But his triumph in protecting Turkey’s hard-won democracy should be lauded and strongly supported by his NATO allies, starting with the US – which was quick to support the brutal military coup in Egypt.”

    Erdogan is for demagoguery, not true democracy.

    His deMosquery, Islamic democracy, is nutty.

    He is a fool.

    The secular generals are hacks without the vision of Kemal Ataturk.
    Great man is often followed by pale shadows.

    Democracy can bring about its opposite.
    Hitler came to power by democracy. How nice if the German generals have overthrown him.
    And too bad the attempt on Hitler’s life failed.

    But I’m not sure secularism today has any value since the secular west is utterly trashy and sets a model for little else but Homo-and-Negro Worship.

    Erdogan has been too much of a gambler.

    One good thing about this coup is maybe it will sober him up. Fearing the forces at home, he will take fewer chances with foreign ventures.
    Stalin’s paranoia at home kept his foreign ambitions in check. The expansion of empire was an accidental outcome of WWII.

    Foreign ambition is the bane of nations.

    Hussein got into a mess with Iran War and Kuwait.
    Hitler and imperial Japan fell with their foreign wars.
    Israel is still dealing with Occupation mess that has made it a pariah.
    GOP imploded with out-of-control war on terror.
    Erdogan messed it up royally with Syrian venture.
    His support of ISIS makes him an arch criminal.

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  16. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website
    @anony-mouse
    '...The anti-Erdogan neocons began spreading the ludicrous canard that the coup was a false-flag operation staged by the Turkish leader himself...'

    Actual question: Is this the first time any Unz.com columnist has ever condemned a 'false-flag' accusation for any reason whatsoever? I don't recall another case.

    ‘…The anti-Erdogan neocons began spreading the ludicrous canard that the coup was a false-flag operation staged by the Turkish leader himself…’

    Erdogan was useful to neocons as an ally against Assad allied with Iran.

    Maybe neocons soured on him when he thought twice about Syria.

    Still, recall that Erdogan patched things with Israel.

    Whatever neocons thought, I don’t think US had direct involvement in this matter.

    But maybe Erdogan’s renewed approach to Russia made him hated in Washington.

    On the issue of the Kurds, there is no difference between Erdogan and the military.
    Both believe in ruthless repression.

    Maybe the military believes Erdogan needlessly exacerbated the Kurd problem by getting involved in Syria.
    Erdogan sided with Islamist rebels and terrorists against the secular Assad.

    Because of the mess in Syria, there is support for Syrian Kurds to fight ISIS, and that spills over into Kurdish-Turkish struggle against Ankara.

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    • Replies: @Divine Right
    "Whatever neocons thought, I don’t think US had direct involvement in this matter."

    That's naivety at it's best. Looking at what happened, it's almost impossible to conclude that the US either didn't know about it in advance or hadn't directly participated in it.
  17. Erdogan’s a dictator, pure and simple. I guess the evaluation of him is positive according to whether he is someone’s approved sonofabitch.

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  18. @Priss Factor
    ‘…The anti-Erdogan neocons began spreading the ludicrous canard that the coup was a false-flag operation staged by the Turkish leader himself…’

    Erdogan was useful to neocons as an ally against Assad allied with Iran.

    Maybe neocons soured on him when he thought twice about Syria.

    Still, recall that Erdogan patched things with Israel.

    Whatever neocons thought, I don't think US had direct involvement in this matter.

    But maybe Erdogan's renewed approach to Russia made him hated in Washington.

    On the issue of the Kurds, there is no difference between Erdogan and the military.
    Both believe in ruthless repression.

    Maybe the military believes Erdogan needlessly exacerbated the Kurd problem by getting involved in Syria.
    Erdogan sided with Islamist rebels and terrorists against the secular Assad.

    Because of the mess in Syria, there is support for Syrian Kurds to fight ISIS, and that spills over into Kurdish-Turkish struggle against Ankara.

    “Whatever neocons thought, I don’t think US had direct involvement in this matter.”

    That’s naivety at it’s best. Looking at what happened, it’s almost impossible to conclude that the US either didn’t know about it in advance or hadn’t directly participated in it.

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  19. “Erdogan’s a dictator, pure and simple. I guess the evaluation of him is positive according to whether he is someone’s approved sonofabitch.”

    A dictator that has won multiple democratic elections? Strange. Seems to be a bit of a contradiction. More likely, anyone too Muslim or too independent of ‘Murica is labeled a ‘dictator’ by the Empire’s ignorant masses unless he is OUR approved sonofabitch.

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  20. “This sounds more like a press release from AKP than an independent analysis”

    I shudder to think what your definition of “independent analysis” would be. Probably something like “Mooslem bad, coup good, dictator because we say so. There. Pulitzer.”

    This is when I miss the iSteve threads. It seems as though the other articles on Unz attract too many of the low-brow Free Republic-types.

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  21. The Wikipedia article on this is just incredible. Did the CIA write this crap? They go out of their way to denounce any critic of Gulen while also stating things like:

    “However, the Alliance for Shared Values, a non-profit organization associated with Gülen, released a statement reiterating that it condemns any military intervention in domestic politics, and saying Erdoğan’s allegations against the movement were “highly irresponsible”. Gülen himself said in a brief statement just before midnight: “As someone who suffered under multiple military coups during the past five decades, it is especially insulting to be accused of having any link to such an attempt. I categorically deny such accusations.”

    The entire piece reads “Turkey says Gulen and that is wrong because X.”

    They even give credence to the highly unlikely “false flag” in order to defend Gulen:

    “Gülen, however, condemned the coup and denied any involvement.[28] He instead accused the Turkish president of staging the event as a false flag operation in an attempt to legitimise further curbs to civil liberties and purges to the judiciary and military, as well as to increase support for an executive presidency”

    They even have a whole section dedicated to false flag evidence and motivations, even comparing it to the Reichstag fire. Incredible propaganda!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Turkish_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt

    Someone should go to this article and rewrite it to include a section on Gulen and his suspected CIA links.

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    • Replies: @Marcus

    They even have a whole section dedicated to false flag evidence and motivations, even comparing it to the Reichstag fire. Incredible propaganda!
     
    I'd say that's not a stretch considering the massive purge underway, claiming emergency powers, etc.
  22. Svigor says:

    anyone too Muslim or too independent of ‘Murica is

    Automatically the good guy, according to the anti-Americawar crowd. Yes, we know.

    Hey, I’m all for Turkey going Islamist. That is absolutely what is happening, btw. Moderate Islamic rule is the stepping stone to Real Islamic rule. This is bad for the people of Turkey, but very good for the people of Europe. The way Turkey is going, no way in Hell the Eurocrats can smuggle it into the EU. And Turkey will only get worse from here, thus sealing the deal.

    How well does it mix here?

    This is like the stuff they print in the Turkish papers every day to distract from the real shenanigans.

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  23. Marcus says:
    @SysATI
    Even though I agree with his conclusion, the author should check his facts before publishing an article like this one...

    A lots of what he is saying is totally wrong, and I'm not talking about opinions or ideas he has but simple historical facts. Drawing conclusions when the premises are false is a risky business...

    "So it seemed until last Friday when tanks seized the two Bosphorus bridges in Istanbul..."
    There where no tanks on the bridges but just a couple of army trucks

    "...two rebel F-16 jets were hunting his black-outed aircraft"
    Yeah sure, with its transponder wide open and the coordinates of the plane even published on twitter, the "rebel" F-16 missed it, especially with US satellites info....

    "There’s a whole other aspect to the coup: the hard right, Europeanized secularists who regard 1930’s Islam-hating military dictator, Kemal Ataturk, as a demi-god and state religion. They joined the army generals in over throwing Turkey’s past governments, keeping the nation unstable, chaotic and afflicted by financial crises."

    You are disgusting or VERY missinformed. Atatürk has been a role model not only in Turkey but in many countries for the past decades. Especially in Muslim countries. He was not an "Islam-hating military dictator" but simply a leader with a clear understanding of the place of the religion. NOT in state business. Most European countries are run exactly that same way, so their leader are Christian-hating fanatics ???

    "Last weekend’s coup was a joint effort by the secular old guard and the Gulenists to reverse history. Unable to defeat the wildly popular Erdogan at the polls, they keep resorting to violence."

    Both the secular party leader and the Kurd party leader have blamed the coup attempt and no one thinks they had anything to do with it. It was an Islamist faction (the Gülenists, probably baked by the CIA) against another Islamist faction, the followers of RT Erdogan.

    And BTW, Erdogan is not "widely popular", he uses the state medias as his own, has forced most of the private medias into bankruptcy then sold them to his most trust-wordy friends. So with the power of pretty much all of the media and certainly much more fraudulent activities than anyone could imagine, he got 51% of the votes.... A monkey could've gotten a better result !

    "Two previous plots to overthrow Erdogan, known as Ergonikon and then Sledgehammer, nearly succeeded."

    You really don't know anything about Turkish history and politics :((((((
    Ergenekon & Balyoz where two judiciary plots organized against the Turkish army by Erdogan and the Gülenists to undermine its authority. It succeeded and dozens of high ranked generals where jailed for many years. Then later on, it was "discovered" that the proofs were false and they were released. It was an Islamists against secularists thing not the other way around !

    "Turkey’s judiciary, academia, media were riddled with Gulenists and rightist secularists."


    The only secularist political party in Turkey is the CHP (Republican Party).
    It used to be Atatütk's political party and is and always has been social democrat and LEFTIST....

    "The government ended up in a 40-year ongoing civil war within its own ranks."
    Ergenekon & Balyoz date back to 2006, so 10 years ago. Don't know where those "40 years" come from, but certainly not from Turkish history...

    You really really shouldn't be writing about a country you know so little about...

    Margolis is consistently idiotic, he thinks his bold statements and flowery historical references make up or a lack substance.

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  24. Marcus says:
    @Divine Right
    The Wikipedia article on this is just incredible. Did the CIA write this crap? They go out of their way to denounce any critic of Gulen while also stating things like:

    "However, the Alliance for Shared Values, a non-profit organization associated with Gülen, released a statement reiterating that it condemns any military intervention in domestic politics, and saying Erdoğan's allegations against the movement were "highly irresponsible". Gülen himself said in a brief statement just before midnight: "As someone who suffered under multiple military coups during the past five decades, it is especially insulting to be accused of having any link to such an attempt. I categorically deny such accusations."

    The entire piece reads "Turkey says Gulen and that is wrong because X."

    They even give credence to the highly unlikely "false flag" in order to defend Gulen:

    "Gülen, however, condemned the coup and denied any involvement.[28] He instead accused the Turkish president of staging the event as a false flag operation in an attempt to legitimise further curbs to civil liberties and purges to the judiciary and military, as well as to increase support for an executive presidency"

    They even have a whole section dedicated to false flag evidence and motivations, even comparing it to the Reichstag fire. Incredible propaganda!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Turkish_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt

    Someone should go to this article and rewrite it to include a section on Gulen and his suspected CIA links.

    They even have a whole section dedicated to false flag evidence and motivations, even comparing it to the Reichstag fire. Incredible propaganda!

    I’d say that’s not a stretch considering the massive purge underway, claiming emergency powers, etc.

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  25. El Dato says:
    @SysATI
    Even though I agree with his conclusion, the author should check his facts before publishing an article like this one...

    A lots of what he is saying is totally wrong, and I'm not talking about opinions or ideas he has but simple historical facts. Drawing conclusions when the premises are false is a risky business...

    "So it seemed until last Friday when tanks seized the two Bosphorus bridges in Istanbul..."
    There where no tanks on the bridges but just a couple of army trucks

    "...two rebel F-16 jets were hunting his black-outed aircraft"
    Yeah sure, with its transponder wide open and the coordinates of the plane even published on twitter, the "rebel" F-16 missed it, especially with US satellites info....

    "There’s a whole other aspect to the coup: the hard right, Europeanized secularists who regard 1930’s Islam-hating military dictator, Kemal Ataturk, as a demi-god and state religion. They joined the army generals in over throwing Turkey’s past governments, keeping the nation unstable, chaotic and afflicted by financial crises."

    You are disgusting or VERY missinformed. Atatürk has been a role model not only in Turkey but in many countries for the past decades. Especially in Muslim countries. He was not an "Islam-hating military dictator" but simply a leader with a clear understanding of the place of the religion. NOT in state business. Most European countries are run exactly that same way, so their leader are Christian-hating fanatics ???

    "Last weekend’s coup was a joint effort by the secular old guard and the Gulenists to reverse history. Unable to defeat the wildly popular Erdogan at the polls, they keep resorting to violence."

    Both the secular party leader and the Kurd party leader have blamed the coup attempt and no one thinks they had anything to do with it. It was an Islamist faction (the Gülenists, probably baked by the CIA) against another Islamist faction, the followers of RT Erdogan.

    And BTW, Erdogan is not "widely popular", he uses the state medias as his own, has forced most of the private medias into bankruptcy then sold them to his most trust-wordy friends. So with the power of pretty much all of the media and certainly much more fraudulent activities than anyone could imagine, he got 51% of the votes.... A monkey could've gotten a better result !

    "Two previous plots to overthrow Erdogan, known as Ergonikon and then Sledgehammer, nearly succeeded."

    You really don't know anything about Turkish history and politics :((((((
    Ergenekon & Balyoz where two judiciary plots organized against the Turkish army by Erdogan and the Gülenists to undermine its authority. It succeeded and dozens of high ranked generals where jailed for many years. Then later on, it was "discovered" that the proofs were false and they were released. It was an Islamists against secularists thing not the other way around !

    "Turkey’s judiciary, academia, media were riddled with Gulenists and rightist secularists."


    The only secularist political party in Turkey is the CHP (Republican Party).
    It used to be Atatütk's political party and is and always has been social democrat and LEFTIST....

    "The government ended up in a 40-year ongoing civil war within its own ranks."
    Ergenekon & Balyoz date back to 2006, so 10 years ago. Don't know where those "40 years" come from, but certainly not from Turkish history...

    You really really shouldn't be writing about a country you know so little about...

    Full ack!

    This article was like seeing someone driving off a cliff.

    Not a single word that the hailed “democracy” is now being flushed down the shitter. (And Madame Clinton’s “Hitler detector” hasn’t even been triggered once. She must have taken her political sleepypills. I would call that “support” indeed.)

    Those F-16s were Erdogan-friendly, as the blew putschist helicopters out of the sky.

    I suppose Margolis has had a brain aneurism.

    Time for Washington to come clean on its murky links to Gulen.

    Actually that sounds like a commandeered article…

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  26. NATO and the Pentagon complain and wring their hands about Erdogan’s anti-democratic internal policies, but they cynically ignore his ruthlessly illegal sea and air provocations against both EU member Cyprus and crisis bound NATO partner and EU member, Greece. Such violations are not trivial, but dangerous, hair-trigger provocations that can misfire.
    But, here is something outrageously and shamefully worse to consider, something initiated by Turhish governments long preceding Erdogan, something to which NATO, the EU, and every American administration has remained purposely oblivious.

    Not only is sovereign Cyprus a current target of scurrilous Erdogan threats and regular provocations, but suffers from his rigorous continuance of Turkey’s illegal, 42 years occupation and plunder of 40% of their nation. In spite of Erdogan’s naked perpetuation of this international war crime against Cyprus, a sovereign EU member, the bastions of Western democracy and the rule of law, blackmailed by the Pentagon, hypocritically cater to Turkey and quietly ignore it.

    Doubtless, Mr. Margolis, you remember some or the sad, brutal facts of Turkey’s abominable Cyprus adventure. Not only has Turkey illegally occupied 40% of Cyprus since 1974, currently policed by 43,000 illegal Turkish soldiers, and forced 37% of the native Greek Cypriot population to flee from their homes and land, but has illegally settled, in gross violation of the 4th Geneva Convention, a massive illegal population of Turks from Turkey on property and land they stole from native Cypriot Greeks.

    This detestable situation is a challenge to the integrity and intelligence of the small minority of independent political commentators like you to show more vigorous journalistic antagonism to such conspicuous international war crimes.

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    Don't expect Margolis to write about that, he's like the Muslim Fred Reed
  27. Marcus says:
    @Alexander Contis
    NATO and the Pentagon complain and wring their hands about Erdogan's anti-democratic internal policies, but they cynically ignore his ruthlessly illegal sea and air provocations against both EU member Cyprus and crisis bound NATO partner and EU member, Greece. Such violations are not trivial, but dangerous, hair-trigger provocations that can misfire.
    But, here is something outrageously and shamefully worse to consider, something initiated by Turhish governments long preceding Erdogan, something to which NATO, the EU, and every American administration has remained purposely oblivious.

    Not only is sovereign Cyprus a current target of scurrilous Erdogan threats and regular provocations, but suffers from his rigorous continuance of Turkey's illegal, 42 years occupation and plunder of 40% of their nation. In spite of Erdogan's naked perpetuation of this international war crime against Cyprus, a sovereign EU member, the bastions of Western democracy and the rule of law, blackmailed by the Pentagon, hypocritically cater to Turkey and quietly ignore it.

    Doubtless, Mr. Margolis, you remember some or the sad, brutal facts of Turkey's abominable Cyprus adventure. Not only has Turkey illegally occupied 40% of Cyprus since 1974, currently policed by 43,000 illegal Turkish soldiers, and forced 37% of the native Greek Cypriot population to flee from their homes and land, but has illegally settled, in gross violation of the 4th Geneva Convention, a massive illegal population of Turks from Turkey on property and land they stole from native Cypriot Greeks.

    This detestable situation is a challenge to the integrity and intelligence of the small minority of independent political commentators like you to show more vigorous journalistic antagonism to such conspicuous international war crimes.

    Don’t expect Margolis to write about that, he’s like the Muslim Fred Reed

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  28. Nah, you give Fred too much credit. A Muslim at least would be likely to have pride in his nation — not his government, Fred, his NATION — and not worship some backwards, hostile race (mestizo and indio Mexicans) while excoriating and mocking his own people.

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