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To date, 62 Palestinians have been shot dead in the Gaza Strip by the Israeli army and over 5,500 wounded by gunfire. Their crime: protesting the loss of their ancestral homes in the West Bank.

Here was an example of Gandhi-style passive resistance that failed. Israeli sniper teams just fired at will at the protesters, some of who were throwing rocks or firing sling shots. High concentration tear gas was dumped by drones on the demonstrators. Israel claimed it was killing ‘terrorists.’

The United States, Israel’s patron and financier, reveled in the move of its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, a move seen by Bible Belt religious fundamentalists as a key step to the return of the Christian Messiah and Armageddon. The rest of us, Jews included, are fated to be burned alive. The American Republicans, who have become a far-right theocratic party, cheered this good news. The Trump administration, by now an extension of Israel’s hard right Likud Party, was cock-a-hoop.

There was no joy in Gaza. This miserable, squalid human garbage dump is a giant open-air prison packed with 2 million Palestinian refugees driven from the newly created state of Israel in 1948. Israel and its close ally Egypt keep Gaza bottled up on its land and sea borders. Palestinians are only allowed to fish along the shore. Coastal gas and oil reserves have been expropriated by Israel and Egypt.

Gaza’s two million people subsist on the edge of starvation. Israel openly boasts that it allows just enough food into the enclave to prevent outright starvation. Chemicals to treat water are banned. Electricity runs only a few hours daily because the power plant was bombed by Israel’s US-supplied air force. Hospitals have almost no medicines. In short, wartime conditions in the open-air prison. Even the wretched animals in Gaza zoo are starving.

The intensive punishment of Gaza, a crime under international law, began after its people voted in a free election for the Hamas movement over the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) which is more or less run by Israel and the United States. Israel helped found Hamas in 1987, but then sought, with the US, to destroy the organization, branding it ‘terrorist.’

Israel has extensively used US-supplied arms and money to fight Hamas in Gaza, a clear violation of the Arms Export Control Act of 1976 that bars the use of American weapons against civilian populations.

The question remains, where did all the Palestinians come from? Israel long claimed there were no such people, or a made-up nationality. This was a pretty rich claim coming from Israelis, many of whom hailed from Russia, Poland and Eastern Europe and who had assumed biblical identities and asserted a direct link to the Hebrews who had lived two thousand years earlier in the Levant.

When Israel was created by the US and UN (with Soviet support) in 1948, from 750,000 to one million native Palestinians were driven from their ancestral home at gunpoint or panicked to flight by massacres and ethnic cleansing. Their villages were bulldozed.

When Israel conquered and annexed the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem in 1967, another 500,000 Palestinians were made refugees. Some 50,000-250,000 Syrians were driven by Israel from the strategic Golan Heights. Bedouins were driven from Israel’s Negev Desert.

ORDER IT NOW

By our era, the number of homeless Palestinians has grown to 5 million refugees helped by the UN and at least another million scattered about the Mideast. The actual number could reach as high as 8-9 million thanks to the Palestinian’s high birth rate and strong family values.

Half of Jordan’s people are Palestinian refugees. Kuwait had 400,000 Palestinians until they were expelled in 1990-1991 after their leader, Yasser Arafat, foolishly backed claims by Saddam Hussein that he was occupying Kuwait in order to trade it for a Palestinian state. This was the biggest Palestinian expulsion since 1948. Egypt’s brutal dictator, Gen. al-Sisi, is now the biggest persecutor of Palestinians after Israel, keeping them locked away in the Gaza prison.

The Arab states have done very little for the Palestinians save slogans and hot air. The Saudis are now in cahoots with Israel to repress the Palestinians lest they spread modern secular ideas in the medieval Mideast. Interestingly, some of the most extreme Palestinians, like George Habash, were Arab Christians. Palestinians remain some of the best educated and most commercial of the Mideast’s peoples. For a long while they ran most of the Gulf Emirates until replaced by Indians.

‘Sand in the eye of the Mideast’ is what I called this oppressed people without a home. Their plight could be greatly eased by the creation of a Palestinian state on the West Bank. But this would interfere with plans for Israel’s right-wing government for planned expansion. So, the future for Palestinians is bleak.

(Republished from EricMargolis.com by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Renoman says:

    Good article, thank you.

  2. DB Cooper says:

    The word ‘Palestinian’ was actually banned by the MSM for a long time. They are a non-people. They were just referred to as Arabs. Anyway years ago I talked to one of those Christian fundamentalist about the plight of the Palestinians and the cruelty of the Israelis towards them. The guy gave me many reasons why the Israelis are justified to do what they did, many of them theological based of course. But one reason he gave make me speechless. He was telling me to the effect that the Israelis are more moral than the Palestinians because the Palestinians live in squalid and poverty while the Israelis built a modern society. You couldn’t make this thing up.

  3. Mr. Margolis, you had two lies in your first paragraph. Clean up your act and be truthful. What a shame.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  4. To date the Israeli army snipers killed in cold blood more than 62 peaceful Palestinian protesters, more like 112, and the Palestinians were protesting their ethnic cleansing from their ancestral lands in what is now called Israel, not only the West Bank. You knew all this, it’s in the news all over, yet you lied about it. Also you should have mentioned that the 5500 who were injured, were shot by the IDF using bullets that exploded and crushed the bones when they hit. That makes you intellectually dishonest. It’s important to always be fair and honest in all circumstances.

  5. These Palestinians are terrorists. They are inferior. They must not be allowed to spread their seed among G-d’s chosen people. ‘Show them no mercy’ (Deuteronomy).

    The Palestinian expulsion is essential if the Jewish people are to remain safe, holy and exceptional. This is the unannounced Israeli position.

    Sound extreme? Perhaps. But this mindset is real and essentially ‘mainstream’. It is the dark underbelly of Zionism and has become part of America’s concocted Judeo-Christian ‘heritage’.

    15 years ago, it was Saddam’s Iraq that had to be crushed. So that nation was strategically dismembered. It was a colossal ‘preemptive war’ that was executed by Washington. But the war on Iraq was envisioned by Zionists long before GW Bush or 911. This ‘preemptive’ war gave birth to ISIS and the waves of refugees that are now transforming Europe.

    But it was Israel–not mighty America or Europe–that was threatened by Saddam’s rising, secular anti-Zionist regime. We just did the dirty work.

    Then Khadafy’s anti-Israel regime was dismembered by Zio-NATO under similarly false pretexts. Israel watched. Israel clapped. Israel benefitted.

    Today, Assad’s Syria is being dismantled by Zionist machinations and artillery. Few notice or are even reminded that Israel holds Syrian territory (Golan Heights) and that Israel and Syria are still technically at war. On the American TV screen, it’s all about ‘poison gas’ and ‘evil Assad’.

    Meanwhile, back here in the Homeland, we Americans and our children are blessed with the incessant reminder that the worst person in history is another individual/movement that used ‘poison gas’ in his fanatical attempt to ‘eradicate Jews’ 75 years ago. Fortunately for us all, ‘Holocaust education’ in America is now becoming universal and mandatory in American schools as well as on our TV screens. Feeling safer?

    When Zio-American bombs fall on Iran, you can rest assured that the usual cheerleaders in NY-LA-Chicago-Washington-Jerusalem will be hailing that mini-holocaust as a ‘necessary step’ to stop the ‘next Hitler’ from threatening ‘freedom and democracy’ blah blah blah.

    This pattern of strategic aggression, displacement, isolation, and mass murder is clear and inescapable. It is the political expression vast criminal enterprise.

    It’s origins come from the Torah with blessings from the Talmud upon dictates from Jerusalem.

  6. Heres a list of anti-American traitors to vote out. Include all dual citizens.

    S.720 – Israel Anti-Boycott Act
    Cosponsors: S.720 — 115th Congress (2017-2018)

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/720/cosponsors

    Cosponsor Date Cosponsored
    Sen. Portman, Rob [R-OH]* 03/23/2017
    Sen. Nelson, Bill [D-FL] 03/27/2017
    Sen. Rubio, Marco [R-FL] 03/27/2017
    Sen. Menendez, Robert [D-NJ] 03/27/2017
    Sen. Collins, Susan M. [R-ME] 03/27/2017
    Sen. Blumenthal, Richard [D-CT] 03/27/2017
    Sen. Graham, Lindsey [R-SC] 03/28/2017
    Sen. Young, Todd C. [R-IN] 03/28/2017
    Sen. Boozman, John [R-AR] 03/28/2017
    Sen. Isakson, Johnny [R-GA] 03/28/2017
    Sen. Peters, Gary C. [D-MI] 03/28/2017
    Sen. Hatch, Orrin G. [R-UT] 03/30/2017
    Sen. Perdue, David [R-GA] 03/30/2017
    Sen. Roberts, Pat [R-KS] 03/30/2017
    Sen. Wicker, Roger F. [R-MS] 03/30/2017
    Sen. Hoeven, John [R-ND] 04/04/2017
    Sen. Cornyn, John [R-TX] 04/04/2017
    Sen. Fischer, Deb [R-NE] 04/04/2017
    Sen. Heller, Dean [R-NV] 04/24/2017
    Sen. Moran, Jerry [R-KS] 04/24/2017
    Sen. Crapo, Mike [R-ID] 04/24/2017
    Sen. Cantwell, Maria [D-WA] 04/24/2017
    Sen. Grassley, Chuck [R-IA] 04/25/2017
    Sen. Capito, Shelley Moore [R-WV] 04/26/2017
    Sen. Schumer, Charles E. [D-NY] 05/01/2017
    Sen. Ernst, Joni [R-IA] 05/01/2017
    Sen. Hassan, Margaret Wood [D-NH] 05/08/2017
    Sen. Lankford, James [R-OK] 05/16/2017
    Sen. Burr, Richard [R-NC] 05/17/2017
    Sen. Donnelly, Joe [D-IN] 05/23/2017
    Sen. Scott, Tim [R-SC] 05/25/2017
    Sen. Cruz, Ted [R-TX] 06/05/2017
    Sen. Manchin, Joe, III [D-WV] 06/05/2017
    Sen. Strange, Luther [R-AL] 06/05/2017
    Sen. McCaskill, Claire [D-MO] 06/06/2017
    Sen. Thune, John [R-SD] 06/12/2017
    Sen. Wyden, Ron [D-OR] 06/12/2017
    Sen. Sasse, Ben [R-NE] 06/15/2017
    Sen. Coons, Christopher A. [D-DE] 06/26/2017
    Sen. Bennet, Michael F. [D-CO] 07/12/2017
    Sen. Sullivan, Dan [R-AK] 07/12/2017
    Sen. Cassidy, Bill [R-LA] 07/18/2017
    Sen. Tillis, Thom [R-NC] 07/19/2017
    Sen. Cotton, Tom [R-AR] 07/19/2017
    Sen. Kennedy, John [R-LA] 07/25/2017
    Sen. Daines, Steve [R-MT] 08/01/2017
    Sen. Flake, Jeff [R-AZ] 08/02/2017
    Sen. Shelby, Richard C. [R-AL] 08/02/2017
    Sen. Gardner, Cory [R-CO] 09/25/2017
    Sen. Inhofe, James M. [R-OK] 10/17/2017
    Sen. Toomey, Pat [R-PA] 11/28/2017
    Sen. Rounds, Mike [R-SD] 03/05/2018
    Sen. Heitkamp, Heidi [D-ND] 03/06/2018
    Sen. Risch, James E. [R-ID] 03/06/2018
    Sen. Blunt, Roy [R-MO]

  7. @redmudhooch

    Thank you for this list. These men/women are traitors. They are enemies of freedom. They oppose the right of Americans to boycott Israel. They are deplorable whores. Shame on them all.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  8. Gaza = The Warsaw Ghetto.

    What’s the moral difference between German snipers randomly shooting Jews imprisoned within barbed wire, and Jewish snipers randomly shooting Palestinians imprisoned within berms and barbed wire?

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @Svigor
    , @Wally
    , @Anonymous
  9. Momus says:
    @Bill Pilgrim

    Big difference mate. The camp inmates were innocents forced there under pain of death in an attempt to either enslave or exterminate them. They were shot and murdered in every possible sadistic way for sport.

    The wretched Gazans had barriers built around them by Egypt and Israel because of their highly succesfull efforts at murdering innocent Israelis and determining they wanted to be led by a morally bereft declared terrorist organisation.

    The first thing the Gazans were hit with in the recent riots were paper leaflets, warning them that in the light of Hamas’s expressed intention to breach the border and kill and cause mayhem, they would be prevented from doing so if they approached. Their cruel and cynical leaders ordered them forward and many died. Not Israel’s fault.

  10. I don’t care for Jews, but if Margolis wants credibility when he cries tears for the Palestinian sand in his eye, he should start at home where ethnically European populations are being erased.

    Until every last street of London is white again, we have no business caring what the Jews are doing to people who don’t look like us, don’t have our genetics, don’t speak our language, don’t have our culture, and for the most part don’t practice our religion.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @druid
  11. Mulegino1 says:
    @Momus

    Nonsense. The suppression of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising was a law enforcement operation against a handful of criminals and black marketeers, in no way comparable to the Israeli policy of genocide and mass murder. The liquidation of the ghetto was done in an orderly manner and there was no massacre committed. (The real Warsaw Uprising by the Polish Home Army resulted in a major battle, and had nothing to do with the ghetto.)

    The Jews are always deflecting their own criminality and misdeeds onto others.

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @Frankie P
    , @Anon
  12. Momus says:
    @Mulegino1

    You are being obtuse: launching into an evidence free, boilerplate defense of Nazism. Pathetically amusing.

    I wasn’t talking about the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. I was speaking of the whole Nazi concentration camp system and the many recorded instances of SS using inmates for targets.

    You should see this excellent production:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pianist_(2002_film)

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    , @Wally
    , @Anon
    , @Borsalino
  13. Momus says:
    @redmudhooch

    Why bother posting that rubbish?

    Have another bong.

    No one outside of your benthic ecosystem gives two hoots.

  14. Mulegino1 says:
    @Momus

    According to the International Committee of the Red Cross, the total number of deaths in the German Camp System (1935-1945) did not exceed 300,000- among all nationalities and ethnic or religious groups. The primary cause of death was typhus, which was the reason that the Germans had state of the art delousing facilities built at the camps- to kill the lice which caused the illness. These facilities used the commercially available pesticide Zyklon-B, which no doubt lead to the wild rumors about mass murder in the “gas chambers.”

    Obviously, the camps were not tourist resorts, but conditions in them were certainly better than in Eisenhower’s Rhine Meadow starvation camps or the camps in the Gulag. The Germans fed their internees a fairly healthy diet, and Auschwitz-Birkenau had a swimming pool, post office, library, several theaters, a maternity hospital, a regular hospital and a canteen where the inmates could purchase items with the camp scrip they earned as their pay.

    The Germans also allowed the Red Cross to visit the camps, which was obviously not the case with the Soviet camps; they did not murder humanitarian interventionists like the Israelis did when they killed Folke-Bernadotte.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  15. Here was an example of Gandhi-style passive resistance that failed.

    LOL! Islam lost any moral authority it might have had in the west once jihadis started driving trucks into bus queues. Islamic “resistance” has never been “passive”. It’s kinda against their religion, you know?

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @peterAUS
  16. @mark green

    Well said. I would add that racism in its ghastliest form is at work in all these wars calculated to “tame” countries populated by “ragheads” and “sand niggers” and turn them into nations of Western serfs. Their rich natural resources would be there for the taking, obviously. But it is difficult to invoke any model other than rank racism to explain the axis of evil embarking on a project to remake (read that as fragment) the Middle East, turning them into failed states. Their may be occasional attempts at whitewashing these hideous acts of mass murder and destruction using pet clichés such as “democracy” and “human rights” or feigning empathy for the suffering of the very people that the US and her allies are hell bent on murdering. All by none other than the greatest purveyors of extreme violence and genocidal maniacs in the post WWII world. In effect, these wars represent the greatest single manifestation of modern antisemitism (with the exception of Afghanistan, Somalia and Iran), a term that has been appropriated and falsely and exclusively reserved for peoples of Jewish origins.

  17. @Momus

    @Momus,

    You tipped your biased Zionist hand almost immediately when you indicated all “wretched” Palestinians in Gaza are terrorists.
    You don’t even know history, as in why Hamas won the election.

    19 paramedics and doctors in the field (all wearing bright vests identifying them as medics) were shot in one weekend by Israeli snipers.
    No doubt you can find a warped way to make it “moral” and “self-defense.”

    Interesting, that in all the video footage taken by hundreds over the course of the first weekend no leaflets are seen anywhere, either in the air or littering the ground. That’s because it never happened.

    Have a nice cup of tea during your break from the Israeli troll farm.

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @peterAUS
  18. RobinG says:
    @mark green

    Here’s another $3.3 Billion for Israeli “qualitative edge.”

    S.2497 – United States-Israel Security Assistance Authorization Act of 2018

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/2497/text

    h/t – Brendon O’Connell

    • Replies: @renfro
  19. Stefan says:

    Someone please explain to these young teenagers that once upon a time the Nazi’s held these sorts of “values” regarding the Jews in Germany.

    Two teenage Israeli girls carrying a placard in Hebrew reading: “Hating Arabs is not racism, it’s values

    • Replies: @anon
  20. Svigor says:
    @Bill Pilgrim

    Oh, I dunno. Jews in Russia were instrumental to the both the October Revolution, and the genocides and mass murders perpetrated by the regime it installed. Jews in Germany were hot and heavy to do the same thing there. This rightly scared the living shit out of the Germans. Without that fear, it is unlikely that Hitler would have come to power; the second World War might not’ve happened.

    All of that makes Palestinians look like pikers.

    Also, would you care to quantify for us the Palestinians’ “highly successful efforts” at murdering Israelis? A death tally for each year in the ten preceding Gaza being walled off would be sufficient.

  21. Svigor says:

    Sorry about that Bill; obviously meant to reply to Momus.

  22. Svigor says:
    @Momus

    The first thing the Gazans were hit with in the recent riots were paper leaflets, warning them that in the light of Hamas’s expressed intention to breach the border and kill and cause mayhem, they would be prevented from doing so if they approached. Their cruel and cynical leaders ordered them forward and many died. Not Israel’s fault.

    Jews would shit their pants en masse on live TV if Whites did this to anyone.

    Yes, of course it’s the Jews’ fault; they pulled the triggers. The ones who didn’t are participating in the propaganda war to downplay and deny. The ones who aren’t are acquiescing. The ones who are protesting are the only exceptions, and a rounding error.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  23. Svigor says:
    @Lemurmaniac

    This is nonsense. Jews are on team open borders, team anti-White, team leftist, team minority…in the diaspora. They’re on team closed borders, team rightist, team majority in their country.

    We should return the favor until they get their minds right.

  24. Svigor says:

    Blacks are complete asshats. An economic drain, a cultural blight, providing roughly half the murders in America with only 13% of the population.

    And Jews take their side every chance they get.

    If we treated Blacks the way Jews have treated Palestinians, we could certainly make terrorists out of them, thus justifying our continuing to treat them the way Jews continue to treat Palestinians.

  25. anarchyst says:
    @Svigor

    “The jew cries out in pain as he is beating (bombing) you”…

  26. Momus says:
    @Bill Pilgrim

    You tipped your biased Zionist hand almost immediately when you indicated all “wretched” Palestinians in Gaza are terrorists.

    I said led by terrorists cock. Hamas are a declared terrorist organisation in many countries. The Gazans are wretched because they are ruled over by those arseholes.

    19 paramedics and doctors in the field (all wearing bright vests identifying them as medics) were shot in one weekend by Israeli snipers.
    No doubt you can find a warped way to make it “moral” and “self-defense.”

    I can ask you to name the medics and prove your assertion? That Hamas terrorists drive the local ambulances to ferry armed fighters around is well documented. If you were a young Israeli soldier you would be justified erring on the safe side with a rubber bullet.

    Interesting, that in all the video footage taken by hundreds over the course of the first weekend no leaflets are seen anywhere, either in the air or littering the ground. That’s because it never happened.

    The IDF operates under international law and is moral, and very well lawyered. They do the leafleting, usually on a couple of occasions, when Hamas is starting their garbage. The Israeli soldiers operate under strict rules of engagement. Hamas respects no treaties or rules or laws of war.

  27. @Mulegino1

    Also, the Germans would have had to have crematoria with an efficiency far, far, exceeding that of modern units, to be able to dispose of the claimed number of bodies in the claimed time frame. Not to mention that there is no record of any of the crematoria at Auschwitz, e.g., requiring replacement (which would have been necessary had they been put to the volume of use alleged).

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @Svigor
  28. DB Cooper says:
    @Dave from Oz

    The issue has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with land. The Israelis took and keep on taking the homeland of the Palestinians and the Palestinians refuse to give up. Palestinian Christians, which makes up 10% of the population, suffer just as much as their Muslim counterparts.

    If you don’t care about the Muslims how about the Palestinian Christians that the Israelis persecute? The Israelis show no mercy to them either.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Momus
    , @L.K
  29. Momus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Also, the Germans would have had to have crematoria with an efficiency far, far, exceeding that of modern units, to be able to dispose of the claimed number of bodies in the claimed time frame. Not to mention that there is no record of any of the crematoria at Auschwitz, e.g., requiring replacement (which would have been necessary had they been put to the volume of use alleged).

    *The Holcaust and concentration camps were run by the Nazi SS, not innocuous sounding ‘Germans’.

    *The crematoria were more efficient in some cases than modern civilian units with high temperatures maintained because of their gang construction and double loading.

    *The other factor for their throughput was less complete burning was required. Many of the corpses were pulled out well before combustion was complete and from all sort of judicial note</ evidence the bones were pulverised with mallets by Jewish camp slave laborers.

    *There are numerous records in original German from the SS figures and the civillian companies building the crematoria about ongoing maintenance and rebuilding, modifications, emergency repairs, fuel experiments, operating regimes, body loading strategies and other arrangements, all in hideous dispassionate detail.

  30. Momus says:
    @DB Cooper

    The Israelis took and keep on taking the homeland of the Palestinians

    A lot of the local Arabs saw which way the wind was blowing when Jewish migrants arrived in Israel. They secretly sold their properties for big money and moved to Lebanon to live well.

    Israeli requires property purchases to comply with strict laws. As is well known the Israeli legal system, and particularly the Supreme Court is extremely strong. The rule of law is well and truly operating. Unfortunately the same cannot be said for lawless shitholes like Gaza whose leaders routinely break rules of the Geneva convention.

    • Replies: @druid
  31. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stefan

    Someone please explain to these young teenagers that once upon a time the Nazi’s held these sorts of “values” regarding the Jews in Germany.

    [link to photo] Two teenage Israeli girls carrying a placard in Hebrew reading: “Hating Arabs is not racism, it’s values

    Someone please demonstrate actual photo evidence of young teenagers in Germany – with our without chic sunglasses– during the Nazi era carrying placards in German reading, “Hating Jews is not racism, it’s values.”

    or STFU

    • Replies: @Stefan
  32. Momus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Here’s a useful discussion on this:

    We are discussing it here. I’m interested in your response.

  33. Stefan says:
    @anon

    Robert Ley, Leader of the German Labour Front during the Hitler era:
    Maybe no cute pictures but the message is the same.

    Fuckhead.

    “We swear we are not going to abandon the struggle until the Last Jew in Europe has been exterminated and is actually dead. It is not enough to isolate the Jewish enemy of mankind-the Jew has got to be exterminated.” (Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Vol.3, Nuremberg, 1947, p. 36)
    “The second German secret weapon is anti-Semitism, because if it is consistently pursued by Germany, it will become a universal problem which all nations will be forced to consider.” (Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Vol.3, Nuremberg, 1947, p. 36)

    • Replies: @anon
  34. Svigor says:
    @Momus

    Hi, you must have missed all my responses to you.

  35. Svigor says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Anybody who’s ever seen a photo of the crematoria in question knows how stupid it is to think Jews were stuffed into them, alive, in substantial numbers. They’re obviously designed for corpses, and it would be all but impossible to stuff a resisting person into one.

  36. Svigor says:
    @Momus

    Might I see a photo of the crematoria you refer to? And a diagram (not a big ask for the weapon used in the crime of the millennium)?

    *The other factor for their throughput was less complete burning was required. Many of the corpses were pulled out well before combustion was complete and from all sort of judicial note</ evidence the bones were pulverised with mallets by Jewish camp slave laborers.

    Meaning, they left behind a lot more evidence that…isn’t in evidence.

    *There are numerous records in original German from the SS figures and the civillian companies building the crematoria about ongoing maintenance and rebuilding, modifications, emergency repairs, fuel experiments, operating regimes, body loading strategies and other arrangements, all in hideous dispassionate detail.

    I’d like to see those records.

    • Replies: @Momus
  37. Svigor says:

    It’s worth wondering aloud what kind of sense it makes to try to stuff living victims through narrow crematoria doors, when one could simply use a bullet or a bludgeon to end resistance, then push a corpse through.

  38. Momus says:
    @Svigor

    I’d like to see those records.

    Do your own search.

    You are making an extraordinary claim that flies in the face of a mountain of evidence. It is incumbent on you to demonstrate your assertion. What I have explained is evidence of judicial note so not requiring substantiation.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  39. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Stefan

    Ley was never tried; he was on the docket to be tried but committed suicide.

    One of the most hateful aspects of the attitude of he Jewish teenagers is their triumphalism: they are too young to have experienced holocaust, and it is they, not the Arabs whom they “hate” who are on the aggressing/persecuting side.

    In contrast, Ley:
    ~ Fought in WWI, was shot down over France’ was a POW for 2 years, and “left with serious injuries, including damage to the frontal lobe of his brain. After the war Ley worked as a chemist but was sacked because of his serious drink problem.”

    Along with most Germans, Ley was outraged at the impositions of the Versailles treaty, and infuriated when the French occupied the Ruhr,

    “Germany’s most important industrial base. This infuriated Ley as the occupation led to passive civilian resistance, including strikes, which destabilised this important region. The French arrested anyone they associated with civil disobedience and their treatment of the Germans in the Ruhr was highly questionable. What we do know is that Ley, along with many others in the Ruhr, was outraged by the French and wanted redress.

    Despite numerous demonstrations of incompetence, dishonesty, womanizing and alcoholism, some of which might be associated with his brain injury, Ley was protected by Hitler in the inter-war years, but at the start of the war,
    “Ley was very much pushed to one side. Hitler was solely preoccupied with the war. Ley could no longer expect any protection from him. . . .
    After the effective fall of his influence in terms of industrial production, Ley was given the task in November 1941 as tackling the housing crisis that was being brought on by the Allied bombing campaign. As Nazi Germany faced more and more bombing raids against its cities, this was a task that even an able man would have found impossible to master. Ley was not an able man and it quickly became apparent that he was unable to cope with the situation.

    On October 21st, Ley was charged with crimes against humanity and conspiracy to wage war. He committed suicide on October 24th by hanging himself in his cell.” https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/nazi-leaders/robert-ley/

    Ley is on record demeaning Slavs and Russians, and he worked slave laborers mercilessly, but search as I might, I could not find the statements you quoted, or that Ley made statements that rose to the level of “crimes against humanity”.

  40. @Momus

    Is there something wrong with the calculations in that link? What do you want me to respond to?

    • Replies: @Momus
  41. @Momus

    Hamas are a declared terrorist organisation in many countries.

    After killing innocents in the hundreds of thousands, an estimated one million in Iraq alone, does anyone dare designate the US a terrorist organization, which it certainly is — and by any criteria? The credibility of some of the countries you may have in mind is highly suspect.

    • Replies: @Momus
  42. @Iris

    He’s pretty low-rent, yes. I thought there were enough funds to procure quality hasbara, but apparently not.

  43. Momus says:
    @Justwondering

    No, disagree.

    US is the opposite of and a victim of much terrorism, as is Israel.

    Self defense and forward defense against the killers of innocence is moral.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  44. Momus says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Thanks.

    I’ve already factored all that into #30.

    The Nazi human disposal incinerators and their operation was much different to the highly regulated business of funeral cremation.

    Unburnt bone pulverising, mixing with sand and soil and then road making with said remains by slaves, is unusual in the civilian setting.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  45. Momus says:
    @Iris

    Why are you so worried about these idiots posing as medics or being Hi Vis agent provocateurs?

    Worry about innocent Israeli families who have been slaughtered by these Gazan arseholes.

    • Replies: @Svigor
  46. Biff says:

    But this would interfere with plans for Israel’s right-wing government for planned expansion.

    The planned expansion(greater Israel) has been in the making for many decades, and the start date was September 11, 2001. It’s as obvious as a boner in the wind, but why is nobody talking about it?

    • Replies: @Momus
  47. druid says:
    @Lemurmaniac

    Yet it is the policy of the Jews that has tuned your country brown! Mate!

  48. druid says:
    @Momus

    yes, and your supreme court just justified these killings! Proud!

  49. druid says:
    @Momus

    and then 750,000 were ethnically cleansed by even the admission of Jews of Jews! Ended up in the ghetto of Gaza and in surrounding other camps

  50. Momus says:
    @Biff

    The planned expansion(greater Israel) has been in the making for many decades, and the start date was September 11, 2001. It’s as obvious as a boner in the wind, but why is nobody talking about it?

    Perhaps because it is a wackadoodle cornspeeracy theory that only a thoroughly indoctrinated anti semite could find credible?

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @Biff
  51. Svigor says:
    @Momus

    Yeah nobody really cares what some court says, sans evidence.

    My claim isn’t extraordinary, it’s totally banal; you can’t shove hundreds or thousands of struggling victims, day in, day out, into tiny little doorways built for corpses.

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @Anon
  52. Svigor says:
    @Momus

    Nah. If you make tables with the death tallies from each side, they belie the idea that Palestinians are the aggressors. There’s not much justification, to a reasonable person, for slaughtering people in large numbers, just because you lost a few people.

  53. Svigor says:
    @Momus

    As I said, you are creating a scenario in which there are many tons of ash and bone to be accounted for.

    And there’s been no such accounting. Ground-penetrating radar can find it, if it exists, yet it hasn’t been found.

    This would be the only real, satisfactory evidence for the alleged crime, but it doesn’t exist.

    • Replies: @Momus
  54. Svigor says:
    @Momus

    Still no death tally from you; probably because it makes your side look bad.

  55. Svigor says:
    @Momus

    The idea that Jews are human beings, and thus capable of expansionism, is “anti-semitism” to the misanthropic Jewish Supremacist kooks.

  56. Biff says:
    @Momus

    Zionist trolls are actually welcomed here – bring some friends.

  57. Momus says:
    @Svigor

    Yeah nobody really cares what some court says, sans evidence.

    My claim isn’t extraordinary, it’s totally banal; you can’t shove hundreds or thousands of struggling victims, day in, day out, into tiny little doorways built for corpses.

    Agree; why are you directing that at me?

  58. Momus says:
    @Svigor

    As I said, you are creating a scenario in which there are many tons of ash and bone to be accounted for.

    It’s very easily accounted for. Pulverised incinerated human remains are about 600 sets per cubic metre. Mixed with sand and spread out it becomes the soil or was used as road surfacing. A decent sized truck can carry 30 m3; the ashes of 15000 to 18000 people.

    Given the extreme lengths the Nazis went to hiding evidence of their murdering leaving large masses of remains to be easily found was not going to happen often.
    Any way it is only deniers counting now in a futile, pointless effort to somehow diminish the Nazi atrocities. Everyone else accepts that there was a Jewish extermination program run by the Nazis and huge numbers were murdered.

  59. Svigor says:

    No, the Nazis didn’t go to extreme lengths to hide the alleged crimes. If they had, they wouldn’t have put Jews into camps (and none of them would have survived to the end of the war). Camps that were visited by the Red Cross. They would have simply put them onto trains, never to be seen again. No camps, just unload the corpses from the trains somewhere and incinerate the bodies, bury the ash in the east.

    But it would still leave tons of evidence. Evidence that has never been found. For the crime of the millennium; I suppose the case just wasn’t high-profile enough for such tedious evidence-gathering.

    No, it’s not just “deniers,” it’s skeptics, too. People who demand extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims, and who aren’t content to simply chew their cud and accept what they’re told.

    Ash in soil leaves a trace. Ash in roads leaves a trace. Traces that could easily be found today.

    Given that Nazi Germany didn’t even have enough trucks to pull their artillery, let’s just say I’m not willing to take your word for it. Sure, it’s plausible, but plausible doesn’t win you a murder conviction, never mind a mass murder conviction.

    I really don’t give a shit what “everyone else” is doing or thinking. Appeals to authority are a logical fallacy. Everyone believing the world is flat doesn’t make it so.

    P.S., you skipped over the part about how the bone was pulverized. Do you have cites for any of this stuff? It all sounds very “just-so story.” IME, Jews like pulling these from their ass; speculation != evidence.

    I suppose the real question is, if the evidence was so thoroughly covered up, how are we to be sure of the Nazis’ guilt?

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @Momus
  60. Momus says:
    @Svigor

    No, it’s not just “deniers,” it’s skeptics, too. People who demand extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims, and who aren’t content to simply chew their cud and accept what they’re told.

    That is the category I am in; skeptic.

    I don’t take the numbers as offered but I don’t think the claims are extraordinary. The evidence is there in many manifestations.

    I’ve spoken to people who lived through it in Europe and listened to the testimony of people at the ends of their lives, with nothing to gain by lying or exaggerating. The Nazis organised an industrial scale human extermination program.

    “P.S., you skipped over the part about how the bone was pulverized”

    Cannot block quote an edit. Found numerous references to poulverising, hammers, mallets it. It is what happens in crematoria.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @j2
    , @Svigor
  61. Momus says:
    @Svigor

    P.S., you skipped over the part about how the bone was pulverized. Do you have cites for any of this stuff? It all sounds very “just-so story.”

    https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/or23-bone-crushing/

    Cites (2) and (3) are a start.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @jacques sheete
    , @Wally
  62. Frankie P says:
    @Mulegino1

    This deflection of their own criminality and misdeeds onto others is called “accusatory inversion”, and it is one of the oldest and most potent of the tools of “the chosen”. If you think about it, “antisemitism” itself is the apex of this, for it is and always has been the antigentilism of the Jews that has led to their repeated smackdowns throughout history.

  63. Wally says:
    @Bill Pilgrim

    Except there were no “German snipers randomly shooting Jews imprisoned within barbed wire”.

    Your conditioning is showing.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  64. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Leave it to Zionist Momus to cite Zionist dominated Wikipedia nonsense … about a Zionist work of fiction. LOL

    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189

    How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet

    http://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-and-its-partisans-work-to-censor-the-internet/?highlight=wikipedia

  65. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Momus dodges the facts once gain as we have repeatedly seen, he dodges debate “here”.

    [MORE]

    recommended:
    Claimed Crematory Rates at Auschwitz / Birkenau

    https://codoh.com/library/document/682/?lang=en

    The Morgues of the Crematoria at Birkenau in the Light of Documents

    https://codoh.com/library/document/1713/?lang=en

    Flames and Smoke from the Chimneys of Crematoria
    Optical Phenomena of Actual Cremations in the Concentration Camps of the Third Reich

    https://codoh.com/library/document/1662/?lang=en

    The Amazing Claims of Miklos Nyiszli

    https://codoh.com/library/document/699/?lang=en

  66. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Now Jew remains are highway concrete & blacktop!! LOL

    [MORE]

    And this is claimed to be a bone grinder of countless Jews.

    source: US ‘Holocaust Museum’

    everyone see:
    The ‘holocaust’ Bone Mill of Lemberg
    By Klaus Schwensen : https://codoh.com/library/document/3220/?lang=en

    Momus in a desperate appeal to “everyone” said:
    “Everyone else accepts that there was a Jewish extermination program run by the Nazis and huge numbers were murdered.”

    No they don’t, pay attention, you’re getting slapped silly at this website.
    see:
    so called “Holocaust denial” rises 30%

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/241984

    But I do agree that at one time “everyone” believed in witchcraft.
    http://www.codoh.com

  67. peterAUS says:

    Here was an example of Gandhi-style passive resistance that failed. Israeli sniper teams just fired at will at the protesters…..

    Stopped reading there.

    A couple of options:
    1. The author is simply taking a piss.
    2. The author regards his audience as dummies who need to be told extremes in order to get the point.
    3. The author simply doesn’t care. He needs to produce something and he knows that the resident “Dem Joos are evil” team will buy it, no matter what.

    Good.

  68. Wally says:
    @Momus

    said:
    “I’ve spoken to people who lived through it in Europe and listened to the testimony of people at the ends of their lives, with nothing to gain by lying or exaggerating. The Nazis organised an industrial scale human extermination program.”

    Except they would go to jail if they said anything else. Oops!

    What “testimony” have you heard? Tell us who & exactly what they said to you.

    See a study here on false memories where tons of people reported that they saw Bugs Bunny at Disneyland, others who forcefully claimed to have been abducted by aliens, & much more. LOL

    https://forum.codoh.com/search.php?keywords=plant+false&t=4916&sf=msgonly

    BYW, Momus is the same guy who says that Jew remains were used in making concrete & blacktop for surfacing ‘Nazi roads’. LOL

    No doubt the ‘Nazi soap made from Jews’, the ‘Nazi human skin lampshades’ and the ‘Nazi shrunken heads are next. LOL

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @jacques sheete
  69. peterAUS says:
    @Dave from Oz

    Islam lost any moral authority it might have had in the west once jihadis started driving trucks into bus queues. Islamic “resistance” has never been “passive”.

    Yup.

  70. peterAUS says:
    @Bill Pilgrim

    19 paramedics and doctors in the field (all wearing bright vests identifying them as medics) were shot in one weekend by Israeli snipers.
    No doubt you can find a warped way to make it “moral” and “self-defense.”

    Two options.
    1. You really aren’t aware that paramedic/doctor kit has been used by all, ahm, Islamist freedom fighters/terrorists in their efforts against the state since, at least, Afghanistan during Soviet occupation. 60 % probability.
    2. You do know that but doesn’t matter; what matters is making Israelis look bad at all cost. 40 % probability.

    • Replies: @Anon
  71. j2 says:
    @Momus

    “No, it’s not just “deniers,” it’s skeptics, too. People who demand extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims, and who aren’t content to simply chew their cud and accept what they’re told.”

    So, Momus, you say you are a skeptic. I also was a skeptic and checked the claims.

    There are no overwhelming evidence for the extermination program. I looked for it and could not find any. The was a program for moving Jews into camps and transporting the to the Eastern Europe. They were deprived of their freedom, lost their properties and had to do forced work.

    The three arguments that are posed in support of the extermination program:
    1) Physical evidence. I could not find any convincing physical evidence of an extermination program.
    2) Witness testimonies. Very few and none were convincing.
    3) Missing 6 million Jews. This is wrong and can be proven wrong. In my calculations in the camps and ghettos in Western Europe and Western Poland died about 830,000 Jews. In the East a large number of Jews were shot, but this number is not well known. About 28% of Jews who were evacuated by Soviets can be expected to have died in evacuation camps, that is some 800,000. Some hundred thousand died in German camps in the East (maybe 250,000). In total the figure of missing Jews is 4.5 million if the Soviet figure for Jews before 1939 is accepted, 3.5 million if we subtract one extra million who apparently immigrated to the USA, and 3 million if we assume that the birth rate in Russia/Soviet Union was below 1.4%. I guess the list of names who are missing is about 3 million. Checking where these deaths were does not support the claim of a genocide.

    Nothing to support the claim of an extermination program. Only a judicial decision meaning that the existence of an extermination program (with no evidence) is self-evident and requires no proof. It is an invalid use of a judicial decision.

    But there is ample evidence of a Zionist plan for creation of Israel, which logically required a forced transfer of Jews from Europe as they were unwilling to move. There is some evidence that at least originally Hitler intended to move Jews to Palestine where the strongest, who survive, would create their own state.

  72. Israel was never created by the UN, the 1947 proposition for political division was not accepted.
    Israel was created by the naked force of arms, as Jabotinski in his 1923 article The Iron Wall already wrote.
    He also stated that this naked force was the zionist ethic.
    Palestinian suffering began in 1880, when the first Palestinians were driven off their land, Petah Tikvah.
    In 1920 there was a Palestinian insurrection, from 1936 to 1939 there was a complete guerilla war, Palestinians against British and zionists.
    In 1939 Great Britain stopped jewish immigration, zionists began preparing their war, driving out the British first, than the Palestinians.
    Immediately after WWII the zionist war began, Britain, that had won WWII but lost the peace, could not sent the 80.000 troops estimated necessary to restore order in Palestine, and handed back the Mandate to the UN.

  73. @Momus

    ” Given the extreme lengths the Nazis went to hiding evidence of their murdering leaving large masses of remains to be easily found was not going to happen often. ”

    So, there is no evidence, but the absence of evidence proves how wicked the Germans were.
    The absence of evidence for the mass murders Momus perpretated is proof of how well he prepared his mass murders.

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @jacques sheete
  74. Anonymous[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @One-for-Truth

    You are worse for a good blog than a troll. You are effectively semi-literate. Your use of the word “lie” when no rational person of any intelligence and education could find anything but perhaps a little carelessness or a slip is an offence against civil discourse.

  75. Momus says:
    @j2

    3) Missing 6 million Jews.

    That is not my contention or number. Correct or incorrect a particular figure in no way invalidates the evidence or alters the historical record. ;-)

    The Nazis designed, assembled and put into action the apparatus for industrial scale extermination of Jews.

    There is a mountain of evidence.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @L.K
  76. Momus says:
    @j2

    there is ample evidence of a Zionist plan for creation of Israel

    That plan has worked out a lot better than Hitlers, hasn’t it?

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @j2
  77. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    I wouldn’t go quite that far to justify what the Germans did to the people in the Warsaw ghetto.

  78. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Momus

    Citing Wikipedia? Are you in 7th grade?

  79. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Momus

    The Jews stole Palestine and the Palestinians are trying to take it back.

    American Jews are constantly telling us that the entire southwest should go back to Mexico(not Spain that held it for 200 years) but Mexico that held Texas for a mere 14 years and the rest of the states 26 years.

    And the rest of the country should go back to the Indians.

    But Russian atheist Zionists descended from Central Asians have the right to take over a country to which they have no genetic or religious connection whatsoever?

    The Palestinians are the descendants of the ancient jews not the European Zionist invaders.

  80. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Bones are too fragile to be used in concrete. Concrete has a very specific formula. Deviate and it crumbles in a few years.

    Ground up bones are good in animal feed and fertilizer.

    • Replies: @Wally
  81. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Off topic

    I’m watching a Cheech and Chong movie. It’s soooo politically incorrect. They decided to be country western singers. Their song was titled Beaners and the lyrics were a drug addled repetition of beaners beaners beaners.

  82. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Palestinians and Americans have something in common; They are both living under Israeli occupation.
    The main difference being is that Palestinians actively resist their colonial overlords, and pay a heavy price for daring to speak out against Zionist machinations, land thefts and Israeli’s ethnic cleansing of their people.

    But Americans welcome with open arms their Israeli and Jewish American sayanim occupiers–aided by American traitors–and gladly give that Apartheid nightmare untold billions each year in free money, free weapons, access to our military and business secrets they obtain thru their chumminess with the NSA and that always f*ck proof UN veto whenever Israel goes on the latest Gaza butchering spree.
    We also gladly sacrifice our sons and daughters to fight Israel’s existential enemies, gleefully wiping them off the face of the Earth, even though they were NO danger to the USA. Israel, our Master, wanted Saddam and Qaddafi gone and we obliged.

    That our nation’s infrastructure is literally falling apart due to all the money and resources spent on these endless wars is of no concern to most Americans. The real question is, “What does Israel want,” and how can her loyal American slaves supply that in a timely fashion.

  83. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:

    Here is the story on one Palestinian family, the Sirhan’s whose most famous member is Sirhan who has many times stated that he shot Robert Kennedy.

    The family were Greek Orthodox Christians. The ancestors of both parents lived in Jerusalem for centuries. They were prosperous. The father had a well paid job for the city of Jerusalem. Mother had a good dowry. They lived in a 10 room home they owned In addition to fathers job they had rental income. There were 8 children, mostly boys.

    One of the sons was killed when Jewish terrorists set off a bomb on a crowded street.
    In 1948 when the Zionist’s gained control of part of Palestine father was fired from his job no pension of course. Their rental properties were soon confiscated by Jews so no more rent.

    Then one day when Sirhan was 4, armed Jewish soldiers came to the home The family was given 1 hour to pack up and leave on pain of death. The family sought refuge in a Greek church pilgrims hostel. They stayed there a few years. The church sponsored then as refugees to America and they ended up in Pasadena near Los Angeles.

    That’s just one family. Jews of course claim the Palestinians just left for irrational reasons or to make Jews look bad.
    The Jews did to the Palestinians in 1948 exactly what the communist Jews did to Russians after 1918. Sent armed soldiers to evict people from their homes with no compensation.

    How’d you like that Momus?

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @chris
  84. anarchyst says:
    @Momus

    There is NOT ONE DOCUMENT outlining any extermination plan for jews or others. In fact, prominent Zionists collaborated with the German government and formulated plans at the highest level of the German government for the “transfer” of jews to what was then known as Palestine. Absolutely nothing about extermination.

    [MORE]

    Official International Red Cross figures for all camp “deaths” total around 731,000–NOT “6 million”. In fact, population totals pre-WW2 and post-WW2 show an INCREASE in the jewish population in post-WW2 Europe immediately after the cessation of the war…

    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD IT KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would it build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical, recreational and other ancillary facilities? Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? Why would they expend massive effort on logistical movement utilizing their limited energy resources if the goal was extermination? Things do not “add up”…

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the German government in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans. In fact, it was jewish Zionist leaders who first proposed that all jews wear the “yellow Star of David” armband so that they could be easily identified. German jews considered themselves Germans first and had no desire to emigrate.

    The establishment of a “homeland” along with the 6,000,000 figure was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. Many periodicals of the day starting with the 1800s touted the “six-million” figure.

    What better way to encourage “emigration” to a foreign land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    As cremation of ONE human body takes hours, the amount of time claimed by holocaust ™ promoters is a physical, scientific and statistical impossibility. Their claims also do not account for the “downtime” that crematoria require for maintenance, etc. In addition, there are no mass burial sites that are commensurate with the claims of “six-million” or even “one-million”. There is also a jewish prohibition on excavation of claimed possible burial sites. WHY?? Because THEY DO NOT EXIST. There is even a prohibition on the use of ground penetrating radar to search for burial sites. WHY?? If millions were gassed and cremated, the activities would have lasted well into the 1950s.

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident. TRUTH CANNOT BE USED AS A DEFENSE OR ENTERED INTO EVIDENCE IN THE “KANGAROO COURTS” THAT PROSECUTE THOSE WHO DARE TO INVESTIGATE THIS HISTORICAL EVENT. A question for you “holocaust ™” promoters–why are there laws that criminalize the search for truth?? What are you afraid of??

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”. Zionist complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust ™”. Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment.

    The latest “vicitms” of “holocaustianity ™” are Ursula Haverbeck and Monika Schaefer, both 80 plus-year-old grandmothers who have been prosecuted and sentenced to maximum-security prison in Germany for “incorrect thoughts”.

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust ™” is the only one that counts . . . It is interesting to note that the term “holocaust ™” to mean “mass extermination” was never used during or immediately after WW2, only coming to vogue in the 1960s, when it was noted that “guilt” could be assigned and reparations could be procured.

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren. In addition, jewish psychologists have come up with a new concept, and “disease”–”holocaust ™ “transference syndrome”. You see, children and grandchildren of jewish “holocaust ™” survivors are infected with this “disease” and should also be considered “holocaust ™” survivors, eligible for “holocaust ™” reparations. Accprding to these jewish psychiatrists, even unrelated individuals can be “infected” with this “malady”.

    Since the Zionist jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel. It is interesting to note that the German boycott of jewish businesses lasted for one day, whil the jewish boycott (actually the jews’ declaration of war on Germany) started in 1933 and lasted until the summation of WW2.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland” for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures). The International Red Cross had full access to all of the camps for the duration of the war, yet reported NOT ONE INSTANCE of extermination or mass murder.

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. There is a “gas chamber” chimney that is not connected to anything. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”. As Germans were excellent engineers, it is difficult to observe the glaring engineering errors that presently exist in these “camps”.

    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of Prussian blue (ferricyanide) in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing. In fact, the “chimney” for the supposed “gas chamber” does not connect to anything.

    Mr. Leuchter’s was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used vindictively before or since. . .After his report was published, he was harassed by Israeli “deep state” types (mossad) who he successfully “outed”.

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. The prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    It is interesting to note that, before the camps were “liberated” by the “allies”, the camp occupants chose to flee with the German troops, rather than be “liberated” by the Russian “allies”.

    It is said that “the light of day is the best disinfectant in the search for truth” Unfortunately this quote does not apply to “all things holocaust ™”. It appears that there are those “holocaust ™” promoters who are afraid of the TRUTH. Hence the prosecution and incarceration of those who dare question aspects of this historical event.

    I urge all “holocaust ™” believers to check these things out for yourselves–IF YOU DARE. You will not like what you find…that includes you, Momus…

  85. Over the years on many different online-forums, I attended, the mods have learn to lock/crush/ban discussions/flamewars/threads/articles on the following issues:

    - Israeli-Palestinean Conflict
    - Turkish-Kurdish Conflict
    - Armenian-Azeri Conflict
    - Vietnamese-Chinese Islands Dispute
    - Cambodian-Thai Cultural Dispute
    - Ethopian-Eritean Stand-Off
    - Pakistani-Indian Kashmir Conflict

    It’s all so tiresome. (Empire of Dust-reference)

    IMHO I know unz.com is THE place for non-mainstream discourses & topics on many subjects & themes, but still Ron Unz should know that the above-mentioned subjects only attract flies to turds.

    Those subjects are just pure clickbait and they only attrack Stronk!-crews & 50-cent-armies from all over the net.

    Those conflicts have become part of the identity of the people involved. Even if you are a neutral outsider, you will offend those people.

    I will stay away from those subjects and enjoy Steve Sailer’s latest proof of his Law On Female Journalism. So should you.

    Cheers

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @Art
    , @L.K
  86. Mishra says:
    @Momus

    Roadway paving now! I give credit where credit is due: that’s a new one.

    • Replies: @Momus
  87. Borsalino says:
    @Momus

    Hollywood has been a propaganda mill for Jewish interests even before Budd Schulberg’s cinematic lies were commissioned for the ridiculous Nuremberg trials. To cite a Hollywood movie as evidence of anything, other than an example of pure propaganda, is a waste of time.

    The Jews are guilty of committing genocide, and many American politicians are guilty of supporting this at the expense of American interests.

    • Replies: @Momus
  88. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Momus

    And here I was always taught that the bones were reduced to just a few ounces of very fine like cigarette ash just by the intense heat of the crematorium.

    Fact check it is not standard practice to smash bones to pieces after cremation. Cremation burns the bones to ash with just maybe a handful of bits of bone.

    Where did the fuel come to maintain constant heat of 1600 F night and day for years at a time? What was the fuel? Gasoline, oil kerosine coal wood nuclear energy?

    • Replies: @Momus
  89. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    Jews and Muslims are both the enemies of Europeans. The Jewish idea is use the Muslims to overwhelm Europe and then the Jews can leave Israel and go back to a goyishe free European paradise.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  90. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Svigor

    Haven’t you read any of the tens of thousands of propaganda books. The Jews in the camps were killed before the bodies weee cremated.

  91. Israel openly boasts that it allows just enough food into the enclave to prevent outright starvation.

    This, apparently is a common tactic of human pigs. The British empire was known for that (India and Ireland, to name just two), and the German people were subjected to starvation for decades both during and after WW1 until years after WW2.

    In one of the breadbaskets of the world, the Ukraine, the Bolshie swine starved 7-10 million Ukrainians, yet the grunter FDR decided to recognize the USSR while it was going on.

    And now the porkers “openly boast” about it.

    • Replies: @Jake
  92. Their plight could be greatly eased by the creation of a Palestinian state on the West Bank.

    An excellent article until that comment.

    I don’t see what a Palestinian state would accomplish for those unfortunate folk because states do not exist to serve the masses. They exist to support the ruling classes. In the particular case of Palestine, the main thing a state would add would be heavier burdens on an already oppressed populace and it wouldn’t even benefit more than a few high ranking parasites since a Palestinian state would never be allowed any power except to dance to the tune of greater powers. It would be an expensive balancing act at best.

    Probably the best alternative would be for the surrounding abominocracies to wither into dust, however wishful that idea is.

    Kudos however to EM for describing the plight of those unfortunate folks whose forbearance is amazing and inspiring.

  93. Momus says:
    @jilles dykstra

    So, there is no evidence, but the absence of evidence proves how wicked the Germans were.

    The lack of a body wont stop a murderer being convicted if other evidence is good.

    In the case of the Holocaust there are plenty of remains and the other evidence is also very good.

    The Nazis systematically attempted to exterminate the European Jews and to hide the evidence.

    They failed.

  94. n230099 says:

    “When Israel conquered and annexed the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem in 1967, another 500,000 Palestinians were made refugees. Some 50,000-250,000 Syrians were driven by Israel from the strategic Golan Heights. Bedouins were driven from Israel’s Negev Desert.”

    Now, really…whose fault is that?

    • Agree: Momus
  95. ” Suffering”

    Billions and billions of “Aid” dollars having been dispersed to these folks, and Arafat sending his wife in Paris a million bucks a month so that she may enjoy the parisian high-society lifestyle.
    Where is all of the “Aid” money and what has it been used for?

    No such huge amounts of “aid” have been awarded American homeless folks living under bridges and sleeping in parks.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pr Jazz artisit.

  96. Momus says:
    @Borsalino

    The Jews are guilty of committing genocide, and many American politicians are guilty of supporting this at the expense of American interests

    .

    Now the Jews are committing genocide? Against who? And where is the proof of that?

    Jewish interests are American interests mate; given that there are almost as many Jews in the US as in Israel.

    • Replies: @Jake
  97. Momus says:
    @Anon

    Fact check it is not standard practice to smash bones to pieces after cremation. Cremation burns the bones to ash with just maybe a handful of bits of bone

    Check your fact check old cock. You are yapping about something you have had a thought on but no actual knowledge of.

    Cremated human remains do not burn completely down.

    The dense, mineralised long bones, particularly their epiphysis, are not turned to ash.

    Human bone remains weigh up to 3 Kg or more. Not a few ounces; about 100 ounces.

    All crematoria have electric bone grinders to finish the job.

  98. Jake says:
    @Momus

    That is due entirely to the WASP Elites of the British Empire and of its American version.

  99. Momus says:
    @Mishra

    Roadway paving now! I give credit where credit is due: that’s a new one.

    Not in the form of Macadam. Pulverised human ashes were mixed with sand and spread along concentration camp roads to disperse them. Various references and testimonies describe this in detail.

    • Replies: @Wally
  100. Frankie P says:
    @Momus

    In the midst of and on the losing end of a continent-wide war that ate up all of their men, resources and money, the Germans were determined to spend huge amounts of money to go to extreme lengths to hide evidence of their murdering Jews. In a war that saw 50 – 90 million people lose their lives, I’m sure the Germans were focused laser-like on worries about the future Jewish holocaust industry, and went to such great lengths to hide bodies in road surfaces. Really laughable, extremely imaginative. But you’re like that, aren’t you?

    • Replies: @Momus
  101. Momus says:
    @Anon

    How’d you like that Momus?

    Like what? What is your point son?

  102. Jake says:
    @jacques sheete

    This is one of those posts that needs to be highlighted to draw everyone’s eyes.

    From whence came the Mossad? From British secret service. From whence did the Israelis learn all their dirty tricks? The British Empire and the USSR, with a few historical nods to the Ottoman Empire.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  103. Momus says:
    @Another German Reader

    I know unz.com is THE place for non-mainstream discourses & topics on many subjects & themes, but still Ron Unz should know that the above-mentioned subjects only attract flies to turds.

    Sailer is the standout here, head and shoulders above the vermin like Giraldi.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  104. Jake says:
    @Momus

    The reason that Jewish interests are American interests is not the number of Jews in the US. It is so because WASP culture is that determined by Anglo-Saxon Puritanism, which was a Judaizing heresy. WASP culture allied with Jews (against all other whites) as soon as archetypal WASP Oliver Cromwell needed quick cash, and WASP culture has never left that arrangement.

    • Replies: @Anon
  105. Well, the body count is by their own doing: under International Law you must keep non-combatants out of the fray.

    They claim the land by Right of Conquest, so they were beaten by a better, so have no complaint.

    Lastly, they fail to learn, so rather than change and win, they whine and die.

  106. j2 says:
    @Momus

    Hitler was a Zionist. He though he was partially Jewish and joined a Zionistic effort in a secret society Thule created by a Theosophist Rudolf Sebottendorf, but Zionist plans only lead to a catastrophe. You work for the wrong people: Zionists created the holocaust and Hitler worked for them. Learn it at last, who had the motive and the means?

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @L.K
  107. @Momus

    Stooge Momus characterized Philip Giraldi as “vermin.”f

    Hi MoEmus,

    Ideally, in the context of your diseased worldview, trust I am included proportionately as “vermin”? Will appreciate that!

    (Zigh)

    Below is a Times of Israel report that demonstrates Zionist Jew passion for censoring and punishing truths-told, like this article’s author, Eric Margolis, did.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/buenos-aires-teacher-caught-defending-hitler-and-justifying-anti-semitism/

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  108. anarchyst says:
    @Jake

    Terrorism is defined as “acts of war” directed at civilian non-combatants, ostensibly to achieve a desired aim or result. A “false flag” operation is defined as a terrorist act committed while placing blame upon a “third-party”, in order to demonize that “third party”. The first modern-day acts of terrorism were committed by the jewish Irgun and Stern gangs with the deliberate bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.
    The first modern-day “false flag” was committed by jewish terrorists upon the American “interests section” with the “Lavon affair”.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Jake
  109. Wally says:
    @Anon

    Hey, Momus said it, not me. LOL

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Anon
  110. @Momus

    The Nazis designed, assembled and put into action the apparatus for industrial scale extermination of Jews.

    Completely bogus, as usual, and as usual, total BS is gospel to the masses.

    The history of the Bolshies is that they typically pervert and lie about everything, and blame their own crimes on the victims, and not surprisingly that’s what you just did.

    Anyway, most of us have a clue about from whence hailed the Bolshie bigshots, do we not?

  111. Wally says:
    @Momus

    So then Momus says that ‘the Nazis failed to hide the human remains’, yet no one can show them to us. LOL

    The “Holocau$t Industry” in court:

    ‘Please your honor, there really are remains of millions buried in huge mass graves, we know where the mass graves are, … but, but, well, umm, we can’t show the court the human remains. You must trust us, we’re Zionists.’

    http://www.codoh.com

  112. @mark green

    15 years ago, it was Saddam’s Iraq that had to be crushed.

    And nearly a century ago it was the Germans who had to be crushed even though it was a refuge for the troublemaking, terroristic, scum of Eastern Europe and home to many highly successful assimilated Jews.

    The behavior repeats and no one should ever wonder if we’ll get our turn despite “our” grovelling to the sickest of mafiosi.

  113. Mulegino1 says:
    @Momus

    Except that it is impossible to “hide” the evidence for such a massive program of mass murder.

    Case in point: The Soviet government murdered the Czar and his family, attempted to burn the bodies, dipped them in acid, then ultimately threw them down a mine shaft. Even then, the bodies were able to be identified after more than 70 years.

    There are no mass graves or traces of human remains of the alleged “6 million” because there was no program of mass murder, period.

    The crematory retorts you reference were designed to cremate 1 body in approximately 1 hour. Stuffing two bodies into a single retort would have impeded the circulation of the heated air, which is what cremates a body, not actual flames. After cremation it is necessary to let the oven and the cremains cool down before they are extracted from the retort. It is impossible to cremate a body in just a few minutes as there are very precise thermal parameters which must not be exceeded. If the temperature is too hot, the body will become rubbery and not be reduced to cremains. Obviously, if the heat is insufficient, the body will simply be scorched.

    • Replies: @Anon
  114. @anarchyst

    Blowing up Russian minister of foreign affairs Von Plehve at the Warsaw railway station in, I think, 1905, was not terrorism ?
    Mearsheimer and Walt define terrorism as ‘the strategy of the weak’.
    The terrorists won the Algerian war against France.
    The agent provocative already existed in the Habsburg empire;
    The duty of these men was to stir up trouble against the government, those joining could then be arrested.
    And what about Guy Fawkes who tried to blow up the whole British parliament ?
    As nazi, fascism, racism, etc., not easy to define concepts.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  115. @redmudhooch

    Great list! This list also shows all in congress who are against free speech. We will remember…

  116. Anon[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @Momus

    Momus,
    It is a shame after all these years, after all the evidence, that you and others have to defend the truth. The deniers are just awful people.

    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/77898268525839236/

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Wally
  117. No one outside of your benthic ecosystem gives two hoots.

    Wishful fantasizing again.

    Heheheh!!

  118. ” The American Republicans, who have become a far-right theocratic party…”

    Really? The Republicans have become an abused wife, waiting for her husband, Mr. Democrats, to come home drunk and beat her for not having a hot dinner of prepubescent sexual reassignment surgery on the table.

  119. @Momus

    You continue the same assertions.
    Can you specify the books uou read on the WWII jewish persecutions ?
    Did you read Elie Wiesel La Nuit, sure there is an english translation, where you read that the camps did have self management, and that he just assumed that there were gas chambers for humans ?
    An interesting detail, a crooked jewish dentist was punished by the SS.
    Wiesel also explains, indirectly, that Auschwitz was a huge industrial center, he worked in a storage facility for electrical parts.
    That the camp management never had any lack of food, it is all there.
    Poliakov also is very interesting on the Warsaw ghetto, some jews very rich, others dying of hunger.
    His Auschwitz cellars for gassing people, where are they now ?
    And how does one demolish cellars, as Poliakov asserts was done at the end of 1944.
    Then the burning pits, into which babies still living were thrown ?
    At Auschwitz there is abundant water, that is why the place was chosen to synthesize rubber and airplane fuel from water and coal.
    The water level therefore is close to the surface.
    How one digs pits there already a problem; once they’re dug pumps are needed to keep a fire going.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  120. @j2

    Hitler was a Zionist.

    Insofar as that’s true, and he did cooperate with some elements of Zionism, it’s a great example of why it doesn’t pay to cooperate with them. It’s even worse to bow down and lick their posteriors in the way US politicians have done for around a century.

    Even Zionists recognize that other ZIonists work actively against them and that’s part of the reason there are so many factions of them.

    “Rabbi” Steven Wise, in his, “The Challenging Years,” reserves quite a bit of his vituperation for fellow Jews and even Zionists and is worth a read. The worst, like him, are fanatics who stop at nothing to obtain their wretched goals.Unfortunately they often do achieve them but even when they don’t, they invariably leave ineffable degrees of chaos and destruction wherever they tread.

    • Replies: @j2
  121. @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck, you referred to stooge momus. I think you meant benthos momus, or better, “BM.”

  122. Momus in a dress.:

    “We Israelis have a clear system when someone threatens to come to the fence. First a warning shot, then if he keeps coming, we shoot in the leg. If they do come more, we have to shoot him.” (Shmuel, 14, walking with his mother)

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/05/joyless-in-zion/

    • LOL: L.K
  123. Anon[582] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    I know momus said it, not you.

  124. Anon[582] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    Question, did the Germans cremate the bodies before or after skinning them for lampshades and gloves and boiling them to render the fat for soap making?

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    , @Wally
  125. Wally says:
    @Momus

    A must read here:
    “eyewitness” Yankel Wiernik at Treblinka: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33
    small sample:

    - “All looked yellow from the gas…”
    - “People were often kept in the gas chambers overnight ….”
    - “It often happened that an arm or a leg fell off when we tied straps around them in order to drag the bodies away”
    - “as many as 30,000 people were gassed in one day….”
    - “the bodies of women were used for kindling the fires”
    - “The corpses were soaked in gasoline. This entailed considerable expense and the results were inadequate; the male corpses simply would not burn”
    - “10,000 to 12,000 corpses were cremated at one time. The result was one huge inferno, which from the distance looked like a volcano breaking through the earth’s crust to belch forth fire and lava”
    -”The inmates were forced to sing Jewish songs …”
    - Wiernik claimed he saw a naked Jewish girl leap over a three-meter (9 ft.) high barbed wire fence, wrench the rifle out of the hands of a pursuing guard, shoot two other guards before she was overpowered.
    - He stated that 900,000 Jews were murdered, buried, exhumed, then cremated at Treblinka & all traces disappeared.
    - Wiernik claimed that up to 1200 people could fit into an area 7 X 7 m, in other words more than 20 people per sq. meter!!
    - According to Wiernik the 7 X 7 m (49 sq.m.) gas chamber that held 1200 people was an improvement over a previous gas chamber that was 25 sq. meters and could hold 500 people.
    - He claimed that bodies burned on their own once lit!!

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Momus
  126. @Anon

    Momus,
    It is a shame after all these years, after all the evidence, that you and others have to defend the truth. The deniers are just awful people.

    Well cry me a river. Anyway, it’s not defending the truth, it’s twisting and perverting it. As always.

  127. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Believe this laughable nonsense or you will go to jail in Europe or be persecuted and attacked by Jews in the US.
    More from highly quoted “holocaust eyewitness” Yankel Wernik: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33

    [MORE]

    (an additional source: ‘Death Camp Treblinka’, A. Donat)
    On gas chambers:

    “When I arrived at the camp, three gas chambers were already in operation; another ten were added while I was there. A gas chamber measured 5 x 5 meters and was about 1.90 meters high. The outlet on the roof had a hermetic cap. The chamber was equipped with a gas pipe inlet and a baked tile floor slanting towards the platform. The brick building which housed the gas chambers was separated from Camp No. 1 by a wooden wall. This wooden wall and the brick wall of the building together formed a corridor which was 80 centimeters taller than the building. The chambers were connected with the corridor by a hermetically fitted iron door leading into each of the chambers. On the side of Camp No. 2 the chambers were connected by a platform four meters wide, which- ran alongside all three chambers. The platform was about 80 centimeters above ground level. There was also a hermetically fitted wooden door on this side.
    Each chamber had a door facing Camp No. 2 (1.80 by 2.50 meters), which could be opened only from the outside by lifting it with iron supports and was closed by iron hooks set into the sash frames, and by wooden bolts. The victims were led into the chambers through the doors leading from the corridor, while the remains of the gassed victims were dragged out through the doors facing Camp No. 2. The power plant operated alongside these chambers, supplying Camps 1 and 2 with electric current. A motor taken from a dismantled (diesel) Soviet tank stood in the power plant. This motor was used to pump the gas, which was let into the chambers by connecting the motor with the inflow pipes. The speed with which death overcame the helpless victims depended on the quantity of combustion gas admitted into the chamber at one time.”

    “Between 450 and 500 persons were crowded into a chamber measuring 25 square meters. Parents carried their children in their arms in the vain hope that this would save their children from death. On the way to their doom, they were pushed and beaten with rifle butts and with Ivan’s gas pipe. Dogs were set upon them, barking, biting and tearing at them. To escape the blows and the dogs, the crowd rushed to its death, pushing into the chamber, the stronger ones shoving the weaker ones ahead of them. The bedlam lasted only a short while, for soon the doors were slammed shut. The chamber was filled, the motor turned on and connected with the inflow pipes and, within 25 minutes at the most, all lay stretched out dead or, to be more accurate, were standing up dead. Since there was not an inch of free space, they just leaned against each other.”

    “It turned out that we were building ten additional gas chambers, more spacious than the old ones, 7 by 7 meters or about 50 square meters. As many as 1,000 to 1,200 persons could be crowded into one gas chamber.”

  128. Wally says:
    @Anon

    Those stage ‘photos’ are hilarious. here’s more:

    A Closer look at a fake German “Atrocity Photo”

    https://codoh.com/library/document/912/?lang=en

    [MORE]


    and another:
    U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum displays standard German air-raid shelter door, describing it as the door to a gas chamber at Majdanek

    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DT/gcturen.html

    ex.:

    http://www.codoh.com

  129. @jilles dykstra

    @Momus
    You continue the same assertions.

    And the age old kvetching. Count on it because that’s all they have.

  130. anarchyst says:
    @jilles dykstra

    There is a large difference between targeting government officials and ordinary civilians (who should be “off limits” and not “collateral damage”. With the jews, civilians were purposely targeted…
    Regards,

  131. peterAUS says:
    @Anon

    Jews and Muslims are both the enemies of Europeans. The Jewish idea is use the Muslims to overwhelm Europe and then the Jews can leave Israel and go back to a goyishe free European paradise.

    Could be.

    Could also be that:
    Global elite and cosmopolitan urbanites are both the enemies of Europeans. Their idea is use immigration in general and Muslims in particular to change the structure of the societies in Europe and then rule over them.

    In the struggle against that move seeking a common ground with orthodox Israelis could be a good idea. It appears that they have some success in defending their society against globalists in general and Muslims in particular.

    Imagine, for a second, Hungary behaving as Israel.

    Or better. Ready?
    Imagine Serbia behaving as Israel. In 1999.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  132. Jake says:
    @anarchyst

    Unless you define ‘modern-day’ as post WW2, you have missed a lot of ugly history. Perhaps for you, with your determination it make all such bad things be Jewish in origin, the starting point is to learn that Brits, not the Nazis, invented concentration camps.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  133. renfro says:
    @RobinG

    Actually its 3.8 billon plus another 750,000 million for missile defense for almost 5 billion and not counting what the pentagon transfers to Israel in ‘surplus’ weapons and equipment, plus half a dozen other grants to Israel for their colleges, ‘resettlement’ grants for Jews immigrating to Israel, upkeep of jew graves in europe thru American heritage agency etc etc.

    It would take all day to list all the taxpayer giveaways to Israel and the jews.

  134. renfro says:
    @Momus

    I said led by terrorists cock. Hamas are a declared terrorist organisation in many countries. The Gazans are wretched because they are ruled over by those arseholes.

    Wait till you see what kind of terrorist we evil gentiles become.

  135. Art says:
    @redmudhooch

    These senators are all proud AIPAC swamp rats. (The Jew domestic spy agency ADL – has pictures of each of them with a goat.)

    Clearly, they are mendaciously owned by US Jew money and coercion. No human of rectitude can be against the Palestinians.

    These gutless swamp rat senators, force the JQ onto the table. Enabling others to do bad is never part of Western culture. This evil will be addressed.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Maintain Hope — Love Idealism — Art

  136. Mulegino1 says:
    @Anon

    It could have been either before or after, since they used a process called the “German method”, developed via a joint venture overseen by Ilse Koch and Dr. Mengele. Those shrunken heads found at Buchenwald – you know, the ones of the Polish prisoners of war who were no doubt members of the Polish New Guinea Legion -were used in the testing and perfection of this method.

  137. @peterAUS

    peterAUS (hee-hee) commented: “Or better. Ready? Imagine Serbia behaving as Israel. In 1999.”

    Hahaha…, uh, Hi peter!

    Imagine the ZUS Clinton administration’s & NATO’s 78-day “humanitarian” bombing of Yugoslavia?

    (zzZIgh)

  138. Art says:
    @Another German Reader

    Over the years on many different online-forums, I attended, the mods have learn to lock/crush/ban discussions/flamewars/threads/articles on the following issues:

    - Israeli-Palestinean Conflict

    Has censorship made thing better or worse – clearly it is worse. The Jew wars after 9/11, are all still going. There is no political will to end them.

    That is because of Jew censorship – PERIOD!

    Free speech is essential for peace. You are a problem for America and the whole world.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Maintain Hope — Love Idealism — Art

  139. j2 says:
    @jacques sheete

    “Even Zionists recognize that other Zionists work actively against them and that’s part of the reason there are so many factions of them.”

    There were two types of Zionists. One was the organization founded by Herzl in 1897, while the other started around 1840 and consisted of Freemasons, Christian Zionists, B’nai B’rith, some millionaires, Kabbalists and some Communists. It was not Herzl’s Zionists who gave a loan to Japan in Japan-Russia war, blackmailed the Balfour declaration, got the USA to accept Israel independence in 1948, funded Trotsky, made the Holocaust and so on. The one with all the power and which worked through secret societies was the latter one. If you read the Holy Kabbalah by Waite (Rosicrusian) from the place what Kabbalah means to Jews, you see that Masonry had already before Hitler decided that Jews must return to the homeland. Almost all secret societies, including Thule, were connected to Masonry. Thule was created by a coup by Sebottendorf from the Germanic Order and Sebottendorf had the ties to Misraim and Theosophy, which at that time run what you call “leave ineffable degrees of chaos and destruction wherever they tread.” Today, naturally, they are defunct. It is not secret societies any more.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  140. Art says:
    @Momus

    I said led by terrorists cock. Hamas are a declared terrorist organisation in many countries. The Gazans are wretched because they are ruled over by those arseholes.

    You use the word “arseholes” — well 7,000,000,000 people – at the UN voted for the Palestinians against the real “arseholes” – the Israelis.

    Israel is the arsehole of the planet.

    Art

  141. L.K says:
    @DB Cooper

    DB Cooper: “The issue has nothing to do with religion. It has everything to do with land.”

    Absolutely.

    In fact, the Palestinians could have been 100% Christians and they would still have suffered the same fate. It might have made the process of ethnic cleansing the Palestinians and brutalizing them a bit more complicated from a PR/Propaganda angle, but in the end, their fate woulda been the same…

    The whole “Palestinians are Muslims BS” is just misdirection, a red herring.

    • Replies: @Anon
  142. L.K says:
    @j2

    j2: “Hitler was a Zionist. He though he was partially Jewish and joined a Zionistic effort blaha”

    Complete nonsense.

  143. chris says:
    @Anon

    Thanks for sharing that story.

  144. L.K says:
    @Another German Reader

    Useless post.

    You are just another obfuscating Troll.

  145. L.K says:
    @Momus

    momus, the zionist shill:

    “The Nazis designed, assembled and put into action the apparatus for industrial scale extermination of Jews.”

    No, they did not and, and, since holohoax “historians” have not been able to demonstrate this, you obviously cannot.

    zio shill momus keeps repeating the same tired old LIE: “There is a mountain of evidence.”

    There is NOT. To the contrary:

    In 1996 the leftwing French historian Jacques Baynac, a staunch antirevisionist since 1978, ended up admitting, after due consideration, that there was no evidence of the Nazi gas chambers’ existence. One could not fail to note, wrote Baynac, “the absence of documents, traces or other material evidence” (Le Nouveau Quotidien de Lausanne [Switzerland], September 2, 1996, p. 16, and September 3, 1996, p. 14).

    Which is what Poliakov had already stated long ago in 51;

    In 1951 the Jew Léon Poliakov, who had been part of the French delegation at the Nuremberg trial (1945-1946), stated his conclusion that we had at our disposal an overabundance of documents for all points of the history of the Third Reich, with the exception of one point alone: the “campaign to exterminate the Jews”. For this, he wrote, “No document remains, perhaps none has ever existed” (Bréviaire de la haine, Paris, Calmann-Lévy, 1974 [1951], p. 171; English version: Harvest of Hate, New York, Holocaust Library, 1979, revised and expanded edition)

    There is a mountain of evidence showing that the holohoax official story is merely atrocity propaganda on steroids…

  146. anarchyst says:
    @Jake

    You are correct. I have never stated that Nazis invented concentration camps. In fact, the German-run camps were NOT concentration but were merely work camps composed of many people who never did a day’s hard work in their lives. Yes, the British ran truly horrific concentration camps.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  147. Wally says:
    @Momus

    As he continues to embarrass himself and expose the fake ‘holocau$t’ story, Momus said:
    “Pulverised human ashes were mixed with sand and spread along concentration camp roads to disperse them. Various references and testimonies describe this in detail.”

    Yet another unhinged Zionist, off his rocker. LOL

    Got Jew soap Momus?

    Various references and testimonies describe soap made from Jews in detail.

    Various references and testimonies describe German atomic bombs in detail.*

    Various references, testimonies and a communist USSR detailed report describes German mass exterminating steam chambers in detail.

    Various references and testimonies describe witchcraft in detail.LOL

    Various references and testimonies describe Zyklon-B coming out of faucets & shower heads, in detail.

    Various references and testimonies describe sausage making in the crematorium.

    Various references and testimonies describe millions of known jew remains which cannot be shown,

    http://www.codoh.com

  148. Josecanuc says:
    @Momus

    “The Jews are an incurably bad people, a people always seeking its own benefits and wanting to enslave the world, a people which in spite of all its efforts to assimilate, still remains strange and hostile to the non- Jews. The Jew is the torchbearer of capitalism, exploitation, usury, and suppression. At the same time, he is also the yeast of history, upsetting and destroying all that is stable, the troublemaker incarnate. In short, the Jewish people is the curse of humanity.”
    Nahman Syrkin 1898, In: The Zionist Idea, pp 337

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Momus
  149. @anarchyst

    With the jews, civilians were purposely targeted…

    It’s true that Bolshies (and it pays to remember who the main Bolshies were), targeted civilians in Germany and elsewhere, (Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, etc.), just as the Israelis target completely non-threatening civilians in Palestine today as they always have.

    Uri Avnery’s 1948 details more than a few gratuitous murders and other atrocities committed by the Irgun, of which he was a member. He’s infinitely more credible than the mumbling momussys of the world.

  150. Wally says:
    @Anon

    You means cremations where Jews would scoop up the boiling fat and use it for fuel, like “eyewitness” Henryk Tauber stated?
    Tauber also ‘said corpses could be cremated in 5-7 minutes.

    more on Tauber: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11279

    Or Rachael Auerbach:

    Blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material.”

    - R. Auerbach, THE DEATH CAMP TREBLINKA: A DOCUMENTARY, edited by Alexander Donat

    More from Auerbach’s highly praised book: THE DEATH CAMP TREBLINKA: A DOCUMENTARY

    The gas chamber was filled to the top. People were so tightly pressed into it that they had to raise their arms and draw in their bellies in order to make room for some more victims. The small children were hurled in over their heads.

    So, they supposedly had to raise their arms, suck in their bellies, and have children thrown in on top of them while falling for the alleged trick that they were about to receive a refreshing shower … in an alleged diesel gas chamber made to look like a shower.

    Auerbach also said in the same book:

    In Treblinka children were often thrown into the fire or mass graves alive. The idea was to save gas and ammunition. They believed, that children would not die as easily as adults because their blood vessels were not yet hardened.

    ‘O, what a tangled web they weave when first they practise to deceive!

    http://www.codoh.com

  151. @j2

    Good info there, but it’s apparent that although there were at least 2 main types of Zionists, there were many branches.

    There probably are as many variations of political Zionism as there are those who believe in the modern political variants of it, just as there are countless “Jewish” and “Christian” sects and branches thereof.

    The point, for me, is that there was Zionist-Nazi and even Nazi-Commie collaboration at times and to top it off, FDR even supported the Commies while the Nazis and Commies were buddies, so the story is a bit more involved than “dem Nazis” as the dufus momussys of the world don’t understand, can’t understand and won’t understand. Ever.

    Again, thanks for fleshing out some of the details of Masonry most of which I’m not yet familiar with.

  152. @Josecanuc

    Thanks for that! Never heard of him before.

    Born in Belorussia, Nahman Sykin’s early Jewish education was provided by private tutors. When the family moved to Minsk in 1884, he went to a Russian high school. He joined the Hovevei Zion there, while also maintaining contact with Russian revolutionary circles. In 1888, he was arrested, after which he went to London and then Berlin, where he studied psychology and philosophy.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/nahman-syrkin

    Reminds me of some of Marx’s comments.

    What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.…. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange…. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.

    Karl Marx, On the Jewish Question, https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

    • Replies: @Art
  153. More info regarding Nahman Sykin.:

    On different occasions, in speeches and in his writing, he attacked virtually every stream of Zionism. At an early Zionist Congress, he criticized the “bourgeois and clerical” elements in the Zionist Organization. He later attacked Ahad Ha’am for his concept of the “spiritual center” in Eretz Yisrael, claiming that it disregarded realities including anti-Semitism and mass migration. Within his own camp, he took issue with Ber Borochov’s Marxist analysis of Zionism.

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/nahman-syrkin

    These Zionists can be a total hoot. I bet momus disagrees with at least 98% of the rest. What are they all, anti-semites ‘er sumpin?

    heheheh!

  154. @anarchyst

    Jews were directly complicit in targeting German civilians in the Allied terror bombing of Germany.

    US Department of Interior documents spell it out dispassionately –

    http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ut/ut0500/ut0568/data/ut0568data.pdf

    Erich Mendelsohn and Hollywood studios — run exclusively by Jews at the time — collaborated with United States Air Force and Standard Oil Corp (Rockefellers) to design “German Village” in the Utah desert.

    The purpose for German Village (and Japanese village, adjacent but no longer standing), built to exactly replicate workers’ housing in Berlin, was to devise, practice, rehearse and perfect the “most efficient way to create firestorms ” to destroy German (and Japanese) cities and to kill the maximum number of German civilians — including, you will note on page 16, “young families with infants in cribs.”
    – shortcutting the difficulty of bashing babies against the rocks ala Ps 137.)

    Before his collaboration on the incineration of German babies, Mendelsohn, “the Jewish architect,” designed and built homes in Rehoboth for Chaim Weizmann and for the Schocken family.
    After the war, and while Germans were still recovering what was left of hundreds of thousands of German civilians, many of them reduced to “logs” if not ashes, Mendelsohn went on to design a number of synagogues and Jewish community centers.

    To this day Erich Mendelsohn, “the Jewish architect,” is revered by Jewish people everywhere. It is not known if any of the synagogues are furnished with lampshades made of the skin of German babies, or if Hannukah oil is made of fat rendered from German working-class civilians, but the documentation of his collaboration in the commission of crimes against humanity is, as Momus would say, abundant, and as authoritative as U S Department of Interior itself..

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Incitatus
  155. L.K says:

    E. Margolis:

    To date, 62 Palestinians have been shot dead in the Gaza Strip by the Israeli army and over 5,500 wounded by gunfire. Their crime: protesting the loss of their ancestral homes in the West Bank.

    Good article overall, but a few corrections; the 62 were killed over 2 days…
    Since March 30th, Israeli occupation forces have killed 112 Palestinians & injured 13,190, reports the ‘If Americans Knew’ blog.

    http://ifamericaknew.org/

    Also, if memory serves, a majority of circa 70% in Gaza, are refugees and descendants from the massive 1948-49 ethnic cleansing, so from all over Palestine, not just the occupied West Bank.

    Renowned Israeli historian, Ilan Pappe’s groundbreaking book revisits the formation of the State of Israel. Between 1947 and 1949, over 400 Palestinian villages were deliberately destroyed, civilians were massacred and around a million men, women, and children were expelled from their homes at gunpoint.

    The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine

    https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1527805889&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Ethnic+Cleansing+of+Palestine

  156. @Momus

    heh!
    The original Jewish-only roads –

    or how is it that you know that the “ashes” in those roads are Jewish ashes? DNA? Six-star shaped ashes? Tattoo?

  157. Art says:
    @jacques sheete

    What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.…. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange…. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.

    Karl Marx, On the Jewish Question,

    Thanks to un-godly Jew money – the JQ is alive and well.

    Here is the antidote – bold truth!

    Patrick Little

    Think Peace — Art

  158. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @L.K

    See what the Jews have done to Bethlehem. It’s an entire town turned into a prison. Bethlehem sits on one of the biggest aquifer in the area. The Jews want that water supply.

  159. L.K says:

    When I hear these scummy Zio shills, like this asshat ‘momus’, talk about Hamas as a terrorist group, it just cracks me up.

    The Zionist criminals have been heavily involved with the use of terrorism, including false flag terrorism, since at least the post World War I era, & this is well documented.
    The Zionist entity of israel has also been heavily involved in supporting Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria, and this continues to this day, where both groups hold some Syrian territories near the occupied Golan heights.

    State of Terror: How Terrorism Created Modern Israel

    This new book shows how the use of terror by supporters of the idea of a Jewish state in Palestine was systematic, routine, and accepted by Jewish leaders as necessary to achieve their aims. At the height of the British Mandate in Palestine, terrorist acts were carried out at a frequency and with an intensity that has been largely forgotten, even though daily newspaper headlines in the US, Britain, and Palestine spoke of bombings, assassinations, and massacres against Arabs and British civilians, as well as soldiers. Suarez tells this story using the terrorists’ own accounts in secret internal papers boasting of their successes, and quoting from contemporary intelligence briefings and secret diplomatic correspondence.

    Publishers Weekly
    “Suárez passionately and meticulously exposes the terrorism committed by Zionist groups in Palestine from the post-WWI era of the British Mandate through the early years of the Israeli state. Though not a historian by trade, Suárez ably presents material from British archives, Zionist documents, and other sources to chronicle the relentless onslaught of kidnappings, shootings, and bombings committed by Zionist terror organizations … an impressive display of historical excavation.”

    https://www.amazon.com/State-Terror-Terrorism-Created-Modern/dp/1566560683/

    • Agree: jacques sheete, Iris
  160. @SolontoCroesus

    I’m saving that info. Thanks for commenting here.

  161. L.K says:

    When Zionists Terrorized London
    From the Israeli Press: British Intel Reveals How Zionists Terrorized London

    There is, of course, a good reason why Zionist (i.e. Israeli) history is NOT taught in our universities in the United States. It is simply because if Zionist history were taught in our schools, then Americans would quickly realize that the real terrorists are the Zionists. Terrorism has been the tool of the Zionists all along, and continues to be so to this day.

    The following article from today’s Israeli press (Ha’aretz) sheds some light on this history:

    Coat Bomb and Explosive Prosthesis: British Intel Files Reveal How the Zionist Stern Gang Terrorized London
    Ha’aretz, December 2, 2017

    Zionist terrorism was the main threat.
    MI5 placed known extremist Jewish and Zionist groups in Britain under intense surveillance.
    Stern Gang member claimed that he had “invented the book bomb.”
    “The execution was perfect. I learned an important lesson. No security measures can stop sophisticated imaginative planning.”
    - Yaacov Levstein of the Stern Gang (i.e. LEHI)
    MI5′s dossiers on the group released this week cast the Cold War’s early years in a stark new light: Terrorism, not the Soviet Union, was the main threat

    Records declassified this week by Britain’s Security Service, MI5, reveal an urgent terrorist threat that Britain faced in the 20th century. No, it wasn’t the Irish Republican Army or Islamist terrorist groups that would plague Britain later in the century, but rather extremist Zionist groups fighting the British after World War II to establish the State of Israel.

    In July 1946, one of these groups, the Irgun, led by the future Israeli prime minister and Nobel Peace Prize winner Menachem Begin, blew up the headquarters of the British administration in Palestine, Jerusalem’s King David Hotel, with heavy loss of civilian life and damage. The newly released MI5 files show that another group fighting the British, the Lehi or “Stern Gang,” dispatched cells to carry out bombings and assassinations in Britain itself.

    http://bollyn.com/#article_16007

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Momus
  162. @Momus

    Any way (sic)it is only deniers counting now in a futile, pointless effort to somehow diminish the Nazi atrocities.

    Anyway it is only holohoaxers still fabricating numbers now in a futile, pointless effort to somehow diminish the Bolshie (you do know who the principals were, don’t you?) and Israeli atrocities.

  163. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    I’d say that in America Jewish control of politicians used to be cash blackmail and extortion.

    Nowadays, they spot useful goyische in college and just bring them up. I’m sure the Clintons were one such pair. Look at Nikki Haley. She’s an obvious Zionist operative raised to UN ambassador. She’s pretty young. She’s got decades more of pushing Zionism in the US government She’ll probably be Sec defense someday and order the total destruction of parts of the ME to clear the way for greater Israel

  164. @Momus

    Your source stinks. Not one bit credible. mountains of lies.

    Try again.

  165. @Wally

    Except there were no “German snipers randomly shooting Jews imprisoned within barbed wire”.

    Your conditioning is showing.

    Maybe not. Both because there were no German snipers shooting at harmless jews, and the jews that were behind barbed wire were most likely being protected, not imprisoned.

    Maybe you could explain the concept of “protective custody” to the bathos mommussies of the world.

  166. @Wally

    See a study here on false memories where tons of people reported that they saw Bugs Bunny at Disneyland, others who forcefully claimed to have been abducted by aliens, & much more.

    Wally, every bit of that is true. I read about it from a comic book featuring a 161 year old Disneyland survivor. She’s really torqued and is seeking compensation for it all as well.

  167. @j2

    There is some evidence that at least originally Hitler intended to move Jews to Palestine …

    Actually there is a mountain of good evidence for it to use Mr Benthos’ term.

  168. @jilles dykstra

    The absence of evidence for the mass murders Momus perpretated is proof of how well he prepared his mass murders.

    She comes here and drops mountains of mass “merdes” too, and I have credible proof.

  169. Momus says:
    @Frankie P

    The Nazis may have won WW2 if they had co-opted their Jewish brainpower rather than wasting immense resources on the camps. Perhaps the ledger balanced given their slave labor productivity in the latter part of the war. I doubt that.

    As far as hiding evidence; efficiency of operation is one of the German hallmarks. Later when it became clear they would not win evidence disposal became more important.

    • Replies: @Wally
  170. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Momus posted a link which cites the truly laughable ‘bone crushing of Jew remains” with references to Chil Rajchman and Pavel Leleko, none of which testified in court. The link avoided showing us an alleged ‘bone crushing machine’. But I don’t.
    Rajchman is an alleged barber who said he cut hair in the ‘gas chambers’ LOL
    see:
    Chil Rajchman’s Treblinka Memoirs: https://codoh.com/library/document/1916/?lang=en
    Rajchman also claimed ‘vacuum gas chambers’:
    The gas chambers measured seven times seven meters. In the middle of the room there were shower heads, from which the gas flowed inside it. Along the wall a thick pipe ran, through which the air was sucked out.” LOL
    Rajchman, said that there were eleven mass graves, all at least 50X30 meters and four stories deep. Several were supposed to be larger with at least one capable of holding 250,000 cadavers. Yet we cannot see these alleged huge mass graves that he claims.
    more: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10137

    For a demolition of the cited Pavel Leleko see The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt” :https://codoh.com/library/document/3233/?lang=en

    Here is a picture of the alleged ‘bone crushing machine’ from from US “Holocaust Museum”aka: small cement mixer LOL

    More hilarity at: Bone Mill Lemberg: https://codoh.com/library/document/3220/?lang=en

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    , @Momus
  171. Clyde says:

    Paleostinian loonies, self abusers and self immolators need to stand far away from the Israeli-Gaza border fence. Mess around with this fence and you will be shot. Seems pretty simple to me. Keep your distance. Stay away. But crazy from the sun Muslims, Jihadi wannabees thinking they get instant access into Allah’s X rated paradise for fallen Jihadis. These are the sub IQ 80 dupes. These are the glorious fallen of Hamas but the world is not buying their dog n pony show this time around.

    • Agree: Momus
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Art
  172. Art says:

    As far as hiding evidence; efficiency of operation is one of the German hallmarks. Later when it became clear they would not win evidence disposal became more important.

    Oh my’ — Momus – you are a silly Little Jew – you make the dumbest arguments.

    Your in our face lies, are too much – it is time for you Jews of all stripes to show some humility. It’s not too late – you can practice on us.

    Think Peace — Art

  173. @L.K

    The Zionists were and are terrorists but their close kin, the Bolshies have even those thugs beat by a long shot.

    Funny how little we now hear about that rabid pack of degenerate goons. Also, the Jewish mafiosi make the Italian ones look like a bunch of nuns in training.

    • Replies: @Anon
  174. @Clyde

    Paleostinian loonies, self abusers and self immolators need to stand far away from the Israeli-Gaza border fence.

    Just as the “oven” victims should have just stayed away?

    BTW, were they ovens or gas chambers or what?

    And hey, what’s with them “Paleostinian” loonies? I thought there never was any such thing as Palestine, so what’s up now? Besides, if there is a Palestine, which is pretty obvious, then the only loonies there are the Israeloonies.

    • Replies: @Momus
  175. bjondo says:
    @redmudhooch

    One cell at Guantanamo for the lot. Roaches for food, sweat for water.

    House traitors set loose in Florida Everglades.

    • Replies: @bjondo
  176. bjondo says:
    @bjondo

    Better yet, make ‘em live in Gaza.

  177. Anonymous[115] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bill Pilgrim

    Show me evidence that German snipers did anything like that. I’m not denying the sacred six million here; I’m simply asking for evidence of this one case.

  178. @Wally

    Chil Rajchman and Pavel Leleko, none of which testified in court.

    Do you mean that neither man testified?

  179. Art says:
    @Clyde

    These are the glorious fallen of Hamas but the world is not buying their dog n pony show this time around.

    Oh my’ — Clyde — you, and Gina Haspel, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, Mad Dog Mattis, and John Bolton – all see things the same way. You’ll have a cavalier disrespect for life.

    Shame shame!

    When it comes to Jew Israeli business – the low lives rise. Why is that?

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. At the UN, the representatives of 7,000,000,000 people do not see things your way.

    p.s. How long will it be before those people say enough?

  180. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Now that’s hilarious.

    If Jews were really so smart they would have conjured up a better, more believable story than their impossibly fake & stupid ’6,000,000 & gas chambers’. LOL

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Momus
  181. Momus says:
    @jacques sheete

    BTW, were they ovens or gas chambers or what

    The Nazis used gassing, either cyanide, or carbon monoxide in sealed rooms or vans, and then incinerated the remains of their victims by one of several methods.

    Cremated remains were often further reduced by pulverising so the ashes could easily be mixed with sand and soil and thus concealed.

    • LOL: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Wally
  182. Momus says:
    @corstopitum

    My grandfather worked at an internment camp for enemy aliens during WW2

    He told me that there was no slave labour under pain of execution to manufacture war materiel.

    Instead of typhus, lice, gas chambers, crematorium, 16 hour slave days with the constant threat of summary execution there were sports facilities, showers, clean water, 3 meals a day and beds with mattresses and blankets.

    His side won, morally, spiritually and on the battlefield.

    The Nazis were genocidal megalomaniacs. Defeated and executed.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @jacques sheete
    , @Wally
  183. Momus says:
    @Wally

    Benthic Wally. The Holocaust is a historical fact, supported by mountains of evidence, and taught as such all over the world.

    The vast majority of people understand that the Nazis were gruesome genocidal maniacs who started WW2, attempted to wipe out the Jews and then suffered the most humiliating military defeat in history- for the second time in 30 years.

    You would have thought they would have conjured up a better effort than having their arses kicked by the Russians.

    • Replies: @WAlly
  184. Momus says:
    @Wally

    Here is a picture of the alleged ‘bone crushing machine’ from from US “Holocaust Museum”

    The machine shown is a small ball mill mounted on a truck or trailer- could have been used to crush any number of different hard dry materials possibly precious metal or mineral bearing rock.

    Certainly unsuitable for human bones in quantity.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Wally
  185. Do not find any answer by Momus to my reply 123.
    No point to try to discuss with this assertion machine.

  186. WAlly says:
    @Momus

    Except you cannot prove your wishful thinking.
    And that’s why you and those like you supports laws against free speech.

    That “mountain of evidence” you dream of is not even mole hill.
    As I have demonstrated repeatedly at this site.

    But hey, we do have US “Holocau$t Museum pictures of ‘bone crushing machines’. LOL

    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    http://www.codoh.com

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    - Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  187. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Once again, you contradict the US “Holocau$t Museum” who say it was ‘used to crush the bones of Jews’. Oops!

    Liars always have a difficult time keeping their lies straight.

    another Fat Jew at an ‘extermination camp’
    http://www.codoh.com

  188. Wally says:
    @Momus

    So you are saying the US “Holocau$t Museum” is lying.

    I agree.

    LOL

  189. Wally says:
    @Momus

    The absurd & fake story also says that millions of Jews are buried in known sites & stayed there. ex,: Jew ‘historian’ Raul Hilberg wrote in “The Destruction of the European Jews” that there were 700,000 – 900,000 bodies buried at Treblinka.
    “The mass graves were opened and the corpses were taken out, to be consumed by the flames of huge pyres (the ‘roasts’). The bones were crushed and, together with the ashes, WERE REBURIED IN THE SAME GRAVES.”
    - Israel Gutman (ed.), Encyclopedia of the “Holocau$t”
    Yet they cannot show them, and there have been attempts to find the alleged immense remains but no dice. Just a few places where massive remains are alleged:
    Alleged location of Treblinka remains according to Treblinka officials

    [MORE]


    photo from ‘Surviving Treblinka’, by Samuel Willenberg.

    It is captioned: “crane lifting corpses destined for cremation”
    Does anyone see any “corpses”?
    Sobibor ‘monument’ supposedly over the remains of 250,000 Jew, actual remains of the alleged 250,ooo cannot be shown.

    Alleged “ash pond” for 1,100,000 Jew remains at Auschwitz, no actual remains can be shown, nor DNA verified

    http://www.codoh.com

  190. Momus says:
    @L.K

    Yes. Serious people who you don’t want to cross mate.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  191. Momus says:
    @Josecanuc

    Yes all those Nobel prizes in medical research that has advanced science and reduced human suffering. Not to mention best of best standards in literature, music, film production, architecture, engineering, law, art etc that have elevated humanity.

    Now tell me again about the Arab recipients of Nobels? Ahh yes. Yasser Arafat: a disgusting manifestation of Arab cultural mores.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Mulegino1
  192. @WAlly

    ” Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack ”
    indeed, as research in Russian archives made clear:
    Bogdan Musial, ‘Kampfplatz Deutschland, Stalins Kriegspläne gegen den Westen’, Berlin 2008

    • Replies: @Momus
  193. Momus says:

    My information is gained telepathically; transmitted as I require by the souls of specialists who died in the Nazi death camps.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  194. The Nazis were genocidal megalomaniacs. Defeated and executed.

    This is very true, but I would argue whereas Nazis, or some Nazis at least, were defeated & executed, some Nazis escaped and Nazism, like the disease it is, resided in its victims dormant for a number of years before epidemically spreading once again.

    Nazism is likened to Herpes or AIDS. It infects anyone who comes in intimate contact with it and those who carry it.

    Questioning and investigating the claims of those who contend the “Holocaust” was unique is one thing, but doing so to provide apologia for Nazis and The Third Reich is another matter entirely. Anyone who would undertake this mission of setting history straight in order to provide apologia for Nazism is a Scumbag Extraordinaire and no better, and in fact worse, than those they decry as adulterating history.

  195. Anon[433] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    “nuns in training”

    “We don’t want to break you . . . just bend you to our mold.” -Mother Superior

  196. Anon[433] • Disclaimer says:
    @Momus

    Where was this camp ,
    Which of the war parties ran it,
    Who were the prisoners–from which war party,
    How many of them,
    What happened to them after the war?

    • Replies: @Momus
  197. anonymous[433] • Disclaimer says:
    @Momus

    Do the voices in your head speak in Russian, Polish, or British-English?

  198. Incitatus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Jews were directly complicit in targeting German civilians in the Allied terror bombing of Germany.”

    Italian general Guilio Douhet is directly responsible for inventing modern terror bombing in 1921. It’s used by Axis and Allies alike.

    “The guiding principle of bombing actions should be this: the objective must be destroyed completely in one attack, making further attack on the same target unnecessary…The complete destruction of the objective has moral and material effects, the repercussions of which may be tremendous…we need only envision what would go on among the civilian population of congested cities once the enemy announced that he would bomb such centers relentlessly, making no distinction between military and non-military objectives.”

    “In general, aerial offensives will be directed against such targets as peacetime industrial and commercial establishments; important buildings, public and private; transportation arteries and centers; and certain designated areas of civilian population as well. To destroy these targets three kinds of bombs are needed – explosive, incendiary, and poison gas – apportioned as the situation may require. The explosives will demolish the target, the incendiaries set fire to it, and the poison gas bombs prevent fire fighters from extinguishing the fires.”

    -Guilio Douhet ‘The Command of the Air’ 1921 [emphasis added]

    http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Documents/2013/April%202013/0413keeperfull.pdf

    Turns out poison gas was unreliable and unnecessary. One could turn cities to kindling and destroy them with Douhet’s multi-stage attack using better incendiaries. “Feuerzauber” (“magic fire”). Firefighters couldn’t put them out. How did they know? They tested them. Not, like Erich Mendelsohn, on an unpopulated dessert stage set in 1943. Turn the clock back six years to 26 April 1937.

    Wolfram Freiherr von Richthofen, field commander of the Condor Legion, coordinates German and Italian air forces in Spain. Attached to Mussolini’s Air Force 1929-32, he’s well versed in Douhet’s creative total destruction theory. He orchestrates a test on well-populated Guernica on market day. The first Dornier drops twelve 110-lb bombs at 4:30 pm. The second wave (Italians) miss the bridge (destruction would have prevented escape). Three more waves (German) continue the attack until 6:00 pm, inflicting “insufferable punishment”. The coup de grâce arrives a half-hour later in three waves (German, Ju 52s). In all, 40-50 tons of bombs are dropped to shatter buildings, and ‘feuerzauber’ (eletron tubes filled with thermite) set them alight. 70% of Guernica is destroyed, the same percentage as Hiroshima and Nagisaki. At least 300 civilians are killed.

    The test is a success! Pass out strudel and cannoli! No need for stage sets in the dessert. Who needs a stinkin stage set!

    As Douhet predicted:

    “No longer can areas exist in which life can be lived in safety and tranquility, nor can the battlefield any longer be limited to actual combatants. On the contrary, the battlefield will be limited only by the boundaries of the nations at war, and all of their citizens will become combatants, since all of them will be exposed to the aerial offensives of the enemy. There will be no distinction any longer between soldiers and civilians.”

    No need to be modest S2C. It’s OK to mention the Italian genius responsible for Dresden ’45 tactics. And the Axis test on Guernica and 300 civilians. Why give Erich Mendelsohn and Hollywood Jews all the credit? They were six years late. By that time the Axis had run many more ‘tests’ on European cities.

    PS. Richthofen’s diary entry: “Each Italian performance is utterly untrustworthy…And these are supposed to be our allies!”

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    , @Anon
    , @Wally
    , @Art
  199. Momus says:
    @Anon

    1) Cowra
    2) Australia
    3) Japanese, Germans, Italians,
    4) Around 18000
    5) The military POW’s were repatriated civilian internees released.

  200. @Momus

    His side won, morally, spiritually and on the battlefield.

    That was then. This is now, and your side is losing, and he’s probably crying his ‘lil heart out in his resting place.

    If he won, then why are his sprouts still playing the victim card and holding an everlasting self-pity party?

    • Replies: @Momus
  201. Mulegino1 says:
    @Incitatus

    J.M Spaight, CB, CBE., Principal Secretary to the British Air Ministry notes in his 1944 book Bombing Vindicated, that:

    “Hitler only undertook the bombing of British civilian targets reluctantly three months after the RAF had commenced bombing German civilian targets. Hitler would have been willing at any time to stop the slaughter. Hitler was genuinely anxious to reach with Britain an agreement confining the action of aircraft to battle zones.

    “The first ‘area’ air attack of the war, was carried out by 134 British bombers on the German city of Mannheim, on the 16th, December, 1940. The object of this attack, as Air Chief Marshall Peirse later explained, was, ‘to concentrate the maximum amount of damage in the centre of the town’.” (p.47)

    Douhet theorized about terror bombing, but it was the British, not the Germans, who first put it into practice. Guernica was not a case of terror bombing, but the bombing of a legitimate military target. The bombing of Warsaw was a case of siege bombing, i.e., the bombing of a fortified and defended position under attack from ground forces, no different than an artillery bombardment. The bombing of Rotterdam is now known to have resulted from miscommunication. The squadron was not notified that the government had already capitulated.

    The Luftwaffe’s mission was perceived to be that of providing air support to ground and naval combat forces, and it did not practice terror bombing. The Luftwaffe had no fleet of heavy bombers comparable to the RAF’s Lancasters.

  202. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Right, Momus gives us sites in Australia. LOL

    About as far away from the major WWII epidemics & Allied civilian terror bombing that one could get.
    Momus caught lying again.

    This is what Europe & N. Africa was like:” photo of the British guard post at the entrance to the liberated, yet still contained Bergen-Belsen camp”see:

    https://codoh.com/library/document/1655/?lang=en

    and

    http://history.amedd.army.mil/booksdocs/wwii/infectiousdisvolii/chapter7.htm

    and:

    https://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/retrieve/Narrative/VV/p-nid/79

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Momus
  203. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Incitatus

    What liberal propaganda have you been reading?

    Guernica was damaged by Soviet soldiers on the ground. According to British army spies on the ground in the city, the destruction was done by explosives the Soviets planted on the ground.
    The entire history of the Spanish civil war is an excellent example of liberal communist propaganda pours into the empty sink brain of the useful idiots.

    By the time of the Guernuca battle the Soviet operatives had killed all the Spanish socialists and were running the so called Republican side of the war.

    Do some research and don’t mean in the liberal biased internet. Use ibterlubrary kian if your nearest university and the library of Congress and get some unbiased information

  204. Mulegino1 says:
    @Momus

    Serious people whose vaunted IDF was defeated by a few hundred or so light infantrymen in Southern Lebanon who had no tanks, heavy artillery, air force or navy? That is tragicomic, not serious.

    • Replies: @Momus
  205. Wally says:
    @Momus

    You mean the Nobel prizes that were disproportionately handed to undeserving Jews after their WWII propaganda?
    What standards? Violence, porno, toilet humor, and lies about their fake holocau$t’. That’s their standards.
    You means the architects that the Jew media promote over the much larger qualified body of non-Jews? Same situation in all fields.
    What Jew art? Pollak? LOL

    great examples here:
    Albert Einstein was a Fraud

    http://coconutrevival.com/?p=5656

    and

    and
    Einstein, plagiarist of the century

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_einstein.htm

    Salk the shyster

    http://vanguardnewsnetwork.com/v1/2004b/SalkBombshell.htm

    http://naturalsociety.com/vaccine-fraud-the-polio-elimination-by-vaccine-hoax/

    http://whale.to/c/great_salk_vaccine_fiasco.html

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  206. anonymous[433] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulegino1

    Well done, Thank you Mulegino.

    Add this: According to British historian Max Hastings, Sir Arthur Harris terror-bombed Iraqi villages in 1920 or so. British had recently colonized Iraq, some villages were restive, Harris bombed them, they capitulated,
    Harris persuaded Churchill that German civilians would react the same way.

    A 5-yr old can see the problem with that analogue: Iraqi villagers had never seen a plane – that alone terrorized them Germans built and flew airplanes.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  207. Mulegino1 says:
    @Momus

    The Nobel prizes hardly compensate for the immense suffering the tribe has brought upon humanity in the form of political subversion, usury, corruption of morals and the perversion of the entertainment industry. Besides, the Nobel prize has pretty much become a standing joke since Obama got his “peace” prize.

    The Jews have never- as a collective- produced many great men. Perhaps a few men of second tier prominence such as Bergson, Marx the pseudo-Hegelian, the Frankfurt School, etc. Mendelssohn, Mahler. No Jewish painters, poets or sculptors come immediately to mind. Stanley Kubrick was indeed a great film maker, but was a remarkable exception. The world would have been much better off had the odious Khazars never established Hollywood. The Jews – as a collective- have little appreciation for beauty or sublimity, and it is reflected in the paucity of their cultural achievements.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Momus
  208. ” No Jewish painters, poets or sculpters come immediately to mind”

    Well I apparently you have never heard of Irving Berlin or Jerome Kern or George Gershwin, or Oscar Hammerstein, or Richard Rogers or Jules Styne or Harold Arlen (Over the rainbow) or the other untold numbers of Jewish “Musical Poets”,who created a huge contribution to the so-called “Great American songbook. Without their otherworldly beautiful musical poetry America would be culturally much poorer.

    “Sculpters” well how about : Architects, folks who “Sculpt” beautiful dwellings, such as Albert Kahn, the magnificent Jewish Detroit building “Sculpter” who created the most exotic and unique Art-Deco skyscrapers on planet mirth, and the list of fantastic Jewish Architects is too long to post here.

    Look friend before you voice an opinion or make a statement regarding non-abstract facts,how about doing your homework, and KNOW what you are talking about.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  209. Momus says:
    @Mulegino1

    The Nobel prizes hardly compensate for the immense suffering the tribe has brought upon humanity in the form of political subversion, usury, corruption of morals and the perversion of the entertainment industry. Besides, the Nobel prize has pretty much become a standing joke since Obama got his “peace” prize.

    You mean a standing joke since Arafat was handed his.
    The peace prize is a liberal joke. The science prizes at least were serious affairs.

  210. @anonymous

    No, it was prof Lindemann, later lord Cherwell, Churchill’s scientific adviser.

    If Lindemann was a jew was debated.
    His mother in any case had become jewish when she married her jewish guardian, Lindemann had jewish half brothers he hated.
    At his mother’s death his non jewish father, from the Elzas, had to leave the mansion his jewish half brother inherited.
    Lindemann personally brought over German jewish scientist from Hitler Germany to Great Britain.

    In order to convince Churchill that bombing the densely populated German cities would break Germany morally he misinterpreted a study on Coventry by RAF bombing expert Zuckermann.

    The bombing was a complete failure.
    No moral breakdown, the war was prolonged, some two million civilians needed no food any more, German war production was highest in 1944.

    The official post WWII British report estimated that the damage to Britain equalled the German damage, British damage defined as building and maintaining bombers, producing bombs, and losing a whole generation of Britain’s most promising youth.
    Zuckermann is of the opinion that the damage to Britain was far greater than the damage to Germany.

    The Earl of Birkenhead, ‘The Prof in Two Worlds, The official life of Professor F. A. Lindemann’, Viscount Cherwell, London, 1961

    Adrian Fort, ´PROF, The Life of Frederick Lindemann´, London 2003

    C.P.Snow, ´Science and government’, 1961, Cambridge, Massachusetts

    Solly Zuckermann, ‘From Apes to Warlords, an autobiography, 1904- 46’, London 1988

    Peter H. Nicoll, ´Englands Krieg gegen Deutschland, Ursachen, Methoden und Folgen des Zweiten Weltkriegs’, 1963, 2001, Tübingen ( Britain’s Blunder, 1953)

    Max Hastings, ‘Bomber Command’, 1979, London

  211. Momus says:
    @Mulegino1

    Yes, the least decisive win of the 13 or 14 defensive wars Israel has fought.

    There has not been a cross border murmur from Hezbollah since.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  212. Momus says:
    @Wally

    Benthic Wally you are burrowing ever lower into that shitty sediment.

    Right, Momus gives us sites in Australia. LOL

    About as far away from the major WWII epidemics & Allied civilian terror bombing that one could get.
    Momus caught lying again.

    Now you are attempting to debunk my Grandfather. Funny, rabid stuff.

    The information I gave was in relation to concentration camps. They weren’t all slaving, disease ridden places of murder, torture, debasement and Nazi Holocaust death.

    • Replies: @Wally
  213. @Mulegino1

    Correct.
    You omit that during a long time Hitler refused the Luftwaffe to use phosphorus.
    Churchill had no such hesitations.
    Where did you find the contents of the book, I wanted to have it, but is was over $ 400.
    I do have
    J.M. Spaight, ‘The SKY’S The LIMIT’, London 1941
    obviously written with the Douhet idea one could win a war with just bombing.
    RAF day bombing on plants and military installations proved to be suicidal.
    Bombing by night of these targets, three percent of the bombs came near the target.
    Then Lindemann found the solution: murdering German civilians in old cities, that burned as torches, wood with daub and/or watlle, hesitate about the right words.
    The Hamburg firestorm, a fine example of what Churchill could, after the 1898 genocide in N Afghanistan, Gallipoli and poison gas in Damascus in 1918.

  214. Momus says:
    @jilles dykstra

    ” Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack ”
    indeed, as research in Russian archives made clear:
    Bogdan Musial, ‘Kampfplatz Deutschland, Stalins Kriegspläne gegen den Westen’, Berlin 2008

    So you are in furious agreement that the premptive and surprise attacks Israel has made are also kosher then? Thankyou.

    • Replies: @Wally
  215. Mulegino1 says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Sorry, but none of the individuals you mentioned are anywhere near the world historical level of Mozart, J.S. Bach, Haydn, Vivaldi, Wagner, Beethoven, etc.

    As Julius Evola pointed out, America is quite culturally impoverished for adopting Negroid and Jewish styles, particularly in its musical tastes. It is really shameful and embarrassing, especially since our European folk heritage is so rich.

    “Art Deco” is just one more piece of low brow Americana. Hardly in the same league with a Gaudi or a Bernini.

  216. Momus says:
    @jacques sheete

    If he won, then why are his sprouts still playing the victim card and holding an everlasting self-pity party?

    The Allies? I don’t see that: the Jews do but they are very smart but have also got ahead exceedingly well.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  217. Momus says:
    @Wally

    Yes, yes Benthic Wally

    That chap had probably been traumatised out of his mind by the Nazi atrocities he witnessed.

    He has the horrific gist of it right; the details are certainly not blueprints.

    • Replies: @Wally
  218. @Wally

    You mean the Nobel prizes that were disproportionately handed to undeserving Jews after their WWII propaganda?

    What about their achievements were “undeserving”? Or is it just that they were Jews? Be specific. Say what you mean and don’t pussy out like you normally do when challenged on this point.

    You means the architects that the Jew media promote over the much larger qualified body of non-Jews? Same situation in all fields.

    Christ, what a fucking victim you are. You poor snowflake.

    What Jew art? Pollak? LOL

    If you mean Pollock, as in Jackson Pollock, he wasn’t Jewish. His father was a land surveyor for the federal government in Wyoming in 1910. Not a lot of Jews in that place or that line of work in 1910.

    Honestly, I don’t understand why you seem so offended when people call you a Nazi. It’s clearly what you are.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
    , @Wally
  219. Wally says:
    @Incitatus

    Guernica was a military target, plain & simple

    Guernica, by someone who has actually researched the event, with confirmation.
    http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/General/Gu … index.html
    ON APRIL 26, 1937 a handful of planes of the “Condor Legion” carried out sporadic air attacks on the Basque town of Guernica, to deny an important river crossing to the retreating Republican (Communist) forces of the Spanish government. Ninety-eight people died.

    The Condor Legion was a squadron of airforce “volunteers” provided by Hitler’s Luftwaffe to the insurgents fighting under General Francisco Franco.

    The air raid on Guernica became a centerpiece of communist and Left-wing propaganda against Hitler and Mussolini. True, reporters later found the town center devastated, but by whom? By the bombs, or after the raid by withdrawing Communists armed with dynamite by the regions’ miners?

    Reporting on a visit to Guernica, The Times Military Correspondent stated on May 5, 1937:

    ,“That Guernica after a week’s bombardment by aircraft and artillery should not have shown signs of fire supports the Nationalist contention that aircraft were not responsible for the burning of this town, which was bombed intermittently for a period of two hours. In Guernica few fragments of bombs have been recovered, the façades of buildings still standing are unmarked, and the few craters I inspected were larger than anything hitherto made by a bomb in Spain. From their position it is a fair inference that these craters were caused by exploding mines which were unscientifically laid to cut roads.”

    A further unidentified source echoed this: “What actually happened was that industrial Basques, miners from Asturias, experts in explosives, fired and dynamited the town to a prearranged plan. Two French artillery officers, veterans of World War One inspected the town when Franco’s troops entered. What they saw was, they said, largely the result of arson and incendiarism. Petrol had been largely used, plus dynamite. Each alleged ‘bomb’ crater coincided with a sewer-manhole on the street, and where there had been no sewers there had been no ‘bombs.’”

    And Sir Arnold Wilson, Conservative Member of Parliament for Hitchin, Hertfordshire, wrote to The Observer after a visit to Guernica, on October 3, 1937: There was no evidence of damage from aerial bombardment, he said, but “most if not all of the damage was caused by wilful incendiarism and such is the verdict of the inhabitants.” Sir Arnold was convinced that Guernica was a “put-up job,” a Red atrocity-story calculated to recoil on Franco and the Germans.

    Thousands were said to have been killed by the bombs.[See e.g., Storia Illustrata, Italy, Oct 1966: "1,654 died, 889 injured"]. This version of history – no surprises here – has been uncritically adopted ever since by conformist historians who carried out no original research. The Spanish artist Pablo Picasso, a Communist multi-millionaire, commemorated the raid in a famous propaganda painting titled “Guernica”. It is on display in the United Nations building, and the original and sketches are displayed in a gallery in Madrid.

    Closer examination reveals the Picasso painting to be a surrealist depiction of a bullfight; his first sketches for it are found in notebooks dating back over one year before the raid.

    THE conformists’ narrative of events is open to question, as British historian David Irving found when he visited the town thirty years after the raid, researching for his book Guernica to Vietnam; he spoke with survivors and city officials, and checked local newspaper files [April 27] [27 again] [28] [29] and cemetery records [right] [register page 1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6].

    In 1987 he wrote a letter to The Daily Telegraph briefly reporting what he had found.

    In brief, the local registry of births and deaths lists fewer than one hundred deaths from the air raid (most of them killed in one incident in a shelter in a local asylum, the Hospital-Asilo Calzada); bad enough. It will serve to put things in perspective if we show that the local Communist newspaper Euzkadi Roja, publishing a report on the raid on April 28, 1937, included a list of names of those few injured in the attack.

    We would not have expected such a list to appear in the press after the later raids on London, Tokyo, or Dresden; in the two-week Israeli offensive in Gaza in January 2008, 40,000 Palestinians were injured and 1,300 killed.

    A READER writes, Friday, January 30, 2009:

    Mr. Irving, I recall this was discussed by Luis Bolin in his memoir of the Spanish Civil War, Spain: the Vital Years. He was the pilot who flew General Franco to Spain at the start of the war. His account supports the position you are defending.

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @Mulegino1
  220. Wally says:
    @Momus

    said:
    “The information I gave was in relation to concentration camps. They weren’t all slaving, disease ridden places of murder, torture, debasement and Nazi Holocaust death.’

    Wrong.
    The information you gave was about Australia, not the European theater in WWII which you laughably try to compare it to.

    Zionist Momus is slapped silly again.

    LOL

  221. @Mulegino1

    ” Shameful and embarrassing” :

    Myself I studied , in conservatory, in Germany, classical flute performance over four years, with “Abschluss”, having worked the two Mozart concertos in G and D, to performance level.

    Mozart created these two masterpieces in Mannheim where I resided appox a hundred meters from his address of residence in the year of 1777.

    I also prepared the Bach concerto for flute in B minor, and several modern classical works from Debussey, Martinu, etc, for performance.

    I am a Jazz artist, a wind player, with fifty-plus years on the bandstand and I would wager to say that I am far more versed in the internal qualities of Mozart, Bach, Beethoven, than you yourself, could even imagine.

    I have spent time in Italy pondering the beginnings of Baroque involving Bernini, and the other innovators of this, my favorite architectural style. and I have personally viewed the wonders of the Dom of Passau, “Vierzehnheiligen”, Amorbach, and many other Baroque masterpieces.

    And anyone who would have the audacity to label such magnificent art-deco creations, as are to be viewed in Detroit, as “Low-Brow”, such an individual is not endowed with the artistic sensitivity required to even realize the value therein.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro Jazz musician.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  222. Mulegino1 says:

    Good for you. Being a big wind bag obviously facilitates your prowess on the woodwinds.

    Our highest achievement in architecture remains the Gothic, as it embodied the spirituality and transcendent worldview of the Medieval synthesis. . Modern or semi-modern architecture on the other hand, is one of the most trenchant illustrations of modernity, which incarnates the spirit of Jewry: ugly, prosaic, minimalist and mercantile.

  223. Iris says:

    This comment thread is filled with staged antagonistic arguments about WW2 genocide of the Jewish people, to divert the discussion from TODAY’s genocide of the Palestinian people.

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @Wally
    , @jacques sheete
  224. Sam Shama says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Thank you for a moving comment; it has the unmistakable ring of an artist’s appreciation. I don’t understand what Mule’s real point is in his diatribe, other than a proud display of his antisemitism.

    I am no musician, writer or artist, but even I recognise the talents of a Chagall, Bomberg, Modigliani, Mahler, Mendelssohn, Gershwin, Bernstein, Horowitz, Levant, Feinberg, Saul Bellow, or Kafka. What about Rene Goscinny? Asterix & Obelix anyone? :-)

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Anon
  225. Momus says:
    @Wally

    Benthic Wally is at it again.
    Who would believe David Irving except a goose stepping Nazi denier?

    He was a professional historian and now is the worlds most discredited Nazi apologist. A fabricator, jailbird and liar without peer. This is the company kept and standards relied on and ol’ Seig Heil Wally puts him forwards as a trusted researcher.

    From The Guardian:

    Irving: consigned to history as a racist liar.
    The author David Irving falsified history to exonerate Adolf Hitler, driven by anti-Semitism and his own pro-Nazi views, the high court ruled yesterday.

    In a devastating judgment, Mr Justice Charles Gray ruled that a book which branded Irving a Holocaust denier was justified in its charges.

    The defeat left his reputation as a historian utterly destroyed, and the author of the bestseller, Hitler’s War, facing bankruptcy and the loss of his Mayfair flat.

    Picasso’s famous retort to the Nazis:

    The Gestapo Points to Guernica and Asks Picasso, “Did You Do This?;” Picasso Replies “No, You Did!”

    • Replies: @Frankie P
    , @jacques sheete
  226. Mulegino1 says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    If there had been no Peggy Guggenheim, Jack the Dripper would have probably ended up in the same profession as his father and thus have served a more useful function to society. The Jews, as a collective, are notoriously lacking in good aesthetic taste. It is this attribute that enabled them to turn modern “art” into a commodity trade, like they do everything else.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  227. Momus says:
    @Iris

    The Palestinian population is doing fine Iris, their numbers are increasing rapidly.

    They would do a lot better if they bred some of the murderous hate from themselves and organised real leaders for an Exodus from their wilderness.

  228. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Undeserving in that it was them being Jews that got / gets them undeserved preferential treatment. Now that wasn’t so difficult. In fact that IS a major topic at this site.

    Pollock:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=DK5K72JymAEC&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=jackson+pollock+jew&source=bl&ots=icJOU4jNHB&sig=27CvIphQu1nHv7HujJFLqQXlcxk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZ7KXWpbPbAhVHXq0KHf5dCjsQ6AEIiQEwEA#v=onepage&q=jackson%20pollock%20jew&f=false

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-jewish-sides-of-rothko-mondrian-and-pollock/

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-1984-lee-krasner-artist-and-pollocks-wife-dies-1.5372978

    Yawn, more desperate & unhinged Zionist ‘Nazi’ talk from someone who has been thrashed making impossible ‘holocau$t’ claims. A must read here:
    CODOH routs “Holocau$t Industry” spokesman Andrew Mathis, read his own words. LOL!

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+thames+mulegino#p72138

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  229. Wally says:
    @Iris

    There was no ridiculously claimed “genocide of the Jewish people”.
    Really that simple.
    Pay attention.
    Only Liars Want Censorship.

    http://www.codoh.com
    debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

  230. @Iris

    This comment thread is filled with staged antagonistic arguments about WW2 genocide of the Jewish people, to divert the discussion from TODAY’s genocide of the Palestinian people.

    Yup.

    It happens a lot. They never mention how the Bolshies acted, either, nor do they mention who they were and what supported that murderous clique of thugs.

    • Replies: @Iris
  231. Mulegino1 says:
    @Wally

    Good point raised, Wally! Picasso was an artistic fraud. Dali, rightly so, congratulated Picasso for having killed modern art.

    It is obviously a painting of a bullfight, and has nothing to do with the bombing of a legitimate military target, which is what Guernica- which housed a Republican Regimental headquarter- was.

    And to think that those who express moral outrage at a few bombs dropped on Guernica appear entirely unapologetic about Dresden, Hamburg and Hiroshima, Tokyo and Nagasaki ! Talk about straining the gnat and swallowing the camel.

    • Replies: @alternatereality
  232. Mulegino1 says:
    @Momus

    There has not been a cross border murmur from Hezbollah since.

    Yeah, and Israel infantry has not attacked Lebanon since either.

    • Replies: @Wally
  233. @Wally

    Undeserving in that it was them being Jews that got / gets them undeserved preferential treatment. Now that wasn’t so difficult. In fact that IS a major topic at this site.

    So in your opinion, Jews who received the Nobel got preferential treatment. Got any, ya know, proof? Of course you don’t. Just your hatred. Typical. So you hang out at a website with other Jew haters who agree with you. Also typical.

    Pollock:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=DK5K72JymAEC&pg=PA33&lpg=PA33&dq=jackson+pollock+jew&source=bl&ots=icJOU4jNHB&sig=27CvIphQu1nHv7HujJFLqQXlcxk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZ7KXWpbPbAhVHXq0KHf5dCjsQ6AEIiQEwEA#v=onepage&q=jackson%20pollock%20jew&f=false

    That book says nothing about Pollock being Jewish. The word “Jew” and the name “Pollock” appear together on two pages. I mean, you understand how an internet search works, right? If I type “Jonnie Hargis” and “genius” into a Google search and a hit comes up, all it means is that some page had those two search terms on it. It could just as likely say “Jonnie Hargis is as far from a genius as a person can possibly be.”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-jewish-sides-of-rothko-mondrian-and-pollock/

    All this says is that three non-Jewish artists (two Dutch, one American) were influenced by Jews.

    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-1984-lee-krasner-artist-and-pollocks-wife-dies-1.5372978

    Yes, Pollock’s wife was Jewish. That doesn’t make him Jewish any more than it makes you Quechua.

    Time to admit you’re wrong.

    Yawn, more desperate & unhinged Zionist ‘Nazi’ talk from someone who has been thrashed making impossible ‘holocau$t’ claims. A must read here:
    CODOH routs “Holocau$t Industry” spokesman Andrew Mathis, read his own words. LOL!

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+thames+mulegino#p72138

    I can post links too:

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2010/02/codoh-forum-that-moderated-itself-to.html

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/251521_Largest_Holocaust_denial_forum

    http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2015/07/playing-whack-mole-with-jonnie-hargis.html?m=1

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Wally
    , @Wally
    , @j2
  234. Iris says:
    @jacques sheete

    Dear Jacques, thanks for your brilliant comments and for defending the martyred Palestinian people as you do.

  235. Frankie P says:
    @Momus

    “He was a professional historian and now is the worlds most discredited Nazi apologist.”

    It’s pretty amazing how Jews can perform that kind of magic. They turn a professional historian into the world’s most discredited Nazi apologist like pulling a rabbit out of a hat, just because he delved into and reported facts that do not match their hysterical imagination regarding history.

    Frankie P

  236. peterAUS says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    …you hang out at a website with other Jew haters who agree with you. Also typical.

    Don’t say.

    Time to admit you’re wrong.

    That will be the day.

  237. @Mulegino1

    There were rumors that Picasso and Ilya Ehrenburg were lovers.
    Picasso drew a portrait of Ehrenberg that is on the gravestone of Stalin’s master of dissemination of hate speech.

    —————
    —————

    Isn’t Cawro the POW camp where guards hated Japanese so much that over a thousand of them tried to escape. Aussie guards — maybe your gramps, Momus, shot as many as they could, re-imprisoned the rest.

    Sounds a lot like Israelis shooting Palestinians, only the POWs were in a legit war & prisoners were legit POWs.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  238. @Mulegino1

    Like most fascists, you have poor taste in art.

    • Troll: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Mulegino1
  239. Any discussion with Jews is meaningless. They are not interested in truth, they are interested in what is good for them. I came to this conclusion after havig red nommerons serious publications written by respected historians (some of them Jewish). They keep claiming that they were always wictims, oppressed by “others”. Over mankind history they were expelled from more then 150 countries, and they never asked themselves a question:” why us”?. Why people dislike or hate them so much. In a recent interview Steven Spilberg claimed, that while filming “Swindler list” in Poland 20years ago a Polish women approached a filming team commenting that she missed a SS or Wemaht uniform, and she wished German officers (Wermht or SS were protecting Poland again. Knowing what Poland went through during SWWy , can this be more sick or untrue statement that a Jew (S.Spilberg) can say. Jew can not be trusted. Eight centuries ago they were offered refuge in Poland, where they lived in a relative peace until the SWW, even thought 90% of 3.5 milions did not speak Polish language.Ask any Jew who are the biggest antisemits on earth they will tell you : Poles. Jews apart from few exceptions have no gratitude and no aliegce to any country they live in. They rule by proxi and any true intellectual discussion with them is pointless for they are not interested in true but what is good for them. There are almost no bliblical Jews who live by Thorah. Most of them live according to Talmud

    • Replies: @Momus
  240. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Get a grip. Those links have nothing to with me. More important, they have noting to do with the fake ‘Jew 6,000,000′. But then you are an unstable Zionist.

    Oh I get it. You’re saying that I am other guys, just like your still saying the CODOH moderator and the ace Revisionist Hannover are about 12 different guys by now. You have serious obsession issues. LOL

    However, I see they sure do have the drop on you:
    Andrew Mathis, “Holo. Controversies”

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11770

    exc.: “It’s been claimed that I am: Bradley Smith, Germar Rudolf, Joe Bellinger (even after Joe’s death), the author of ’1/3 the Holocaust’, Denier Bud, some free speech advocate from UCLA, Richard Widman, Greg Raven, a blogger at http://www.unz.com who smashes Mathis, BTW, on & on it goes. Clearly Mathis & tribe have Hannover on the brain.” :lol:

    For ‘holocaust’ busting facts see the Andrew Mathis & ‘Holocaust Controversies” mangled here. It’s not even close.
    The “Extermination Camps” of “Aktion Reinhardt”
    An Analysis and Refutation of Factitious “Evidence,” Deceptions and Flawed Argumentation of the “Holocaust Controversies” Bloggers

    By Jürgen Graf , Carlo Mattogno , Thomas Kues

    https://codoh.com/library/document/3052/?lang=en

    http://www.codoh.com

  241. Wally says:
    @Mulegino1

    Oh ouch! Zionist Momus slapped silly again.

    Hezbollah rout of ‘Israeli’ pantywaists:

  242. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Only Zionists believe that liars tell the truth. LOL

    [MORE]

    Healthy Jews at Auschwitz ‘liberation’:

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Momus
  243. @Wally

    You’re not fooling anyone, Señor Núñez, least of all yourself.

    “Ace revisionist.”

    Ha.

  244. @Wally

    Interesting that Graf and Mattogno (and not Kues, since he apparently has also jumped ship — funny how that happens) charge money for their book. We distributed ours for free. I thought we were only in it for the money?

    You’re not fooling anyone, Señor Núñez, least of all yourself.

    “Ace revisionist.”

    Ha.

    • Replies: @Wally
  245. Mulegino1 says:

    If you think Jackson Pollock created great art, you are not only stupid but clinically insane.

  246. Mulegino1 says:
    @alternatereality

    I would not be surprised. The leftist slimeballs were worshipers of whatever force was harnessed to destroy Christian Europa, even if Stalin, at the end, finally realized that the Jews surrounding him were willing to destroy Russia itself, and took corrective measures.

    • Replies: @Momus
  247. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Books cost money to publish, not everyone has stolen Zionist money. And perhaps Kues was threatened the way Mathis threatens & stalks people.
    The way many Revisionists are threatened and attacked by violent Zionists.

    Revisionist Dr. Robert Faurisson beaten by Jews, see: Revisionist Historian Suffers Savage Beating; https://codoh.com/library/document/300/?lang=en

    And here’s just one of many examples of Andrew Mathis making a fool of himself, hopelessly trying to defend the asinine story he contradicts, from: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2498
    he said:

    No credible figure has ever claimed that 20,000 or 40,000 people were gassed in a day.”
    - Andrew Mathis

    except:

    Birkenau celebrated its record of gassings in one day: 30,000 people.”
    - Witold Pilecki, alleged spy at Auschwitz and subject of a up & coming Polish film.
    Witold Pilecki said 5 mil died there.
    and:
    The horrendous record belongs to Auschwitz, with 24,000 dead in a single day, in August 1944.
    - Primo Levi, Survival in Auschwitz….’, Summit Books, 1986, p.388
    and:
    With Himmler’s orders to step up the pace of the gassings in the summer of 1944,the rate that people being annihilated each day was astronomical: 46,000 IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD on July 24 (the record for any of the camps).”
    - Rosa Robota, so called ‘holocau$t heroine’

    http://www.datasync.com/~davidg59/rosa.html

    http://www.codoh.com

    more coming

  248. Momus says:
    @Contributor

    You need to organise your rant into sentences and paragraphs if you want it read.

  249. Momus says:
    @Mulegino1

    The leftist slimeballs were worshipers of whatever force was harnessed to destroy Christian Europa,

    Huh? Europa is the smallest of Jupiter’s moons.

  250. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Mathis will try anything to distract from this:

    “I am a Zionist, albeit a very left-wing Zionist.”
    - Andrew E. Mathis

    http://www.faem.com/letters/j1007aem.htm

    and these:

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4451&p=72138&hilit=mathis+thames+mulegino#p72138

    More to come, LOL

    http://www.codoh.com

  251. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Talk about dazed & confused, Mathis is it.

    I’m not even married. LOL

    Now, back to work:

    Mother and I used to get up at four in the morning [at Belsen], to avoid the queues of people waiting to use the shower block about and hour later. We undressed and showered our bodies with ice-cold water. The only soap we had was a barrel of honey-coloured liquid soap, manufactured out of human flesh from the bodies of people shot by the SS on the transports. Many times we wondered: ‘Could this be my brother, my sister, another relation?

    - Gena Turgel nee Goldfinger, I Light a Candle, London: Grafton, 1987, p. 102.

    • Replies: @Svigor
    , @jacques sheete
  252. j2 says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Maybe there is no preferential treatment.

    Just to prove it, I watched a while ago Billy the Kid and Pat Garret, the Peckinpack western where Bob Dylan sings two songs and Kris Kristofferson only acts. Peckinpach did not originally want Dylan there, but Dylan wanted and got there. He made a hit with knocking on the heaven’s door, but it does not fit to the movie. It is played when a minor character dies. A song was needed when Billy the Kid died after making love. A perfect one for that would have been Help me make it through the night, while Dylan’s ballad could have been replaced with Loving her was easier. But no, Kris did not sing his songs and boost his record sales, Dylan acted in the movie like a totally unnecessary character Alias and sang two songs that were not any better than those from Kris.

  253. Wally says:

    Moderator:

    Isn’t there a policy here of requiring participants to address others by their username only?

    Andrew Mathis now insists on referring to me here as someone that I am not. Apparently he mentioned someone’s wife’s name as well. Like WOW!

    Edgy debate? No problem.
    False identity claims? Big problems.

    Thanks.

    • Troll: Andrew E. Mathis
  254. Andrew Mathis now insists on referring to me here as someone that I am not. Apparently he mentioned someone’s wife’s name as well. Like WOW!

    Did he really? If so, Andrew, you’re a fucking COWARD. Anyone who brings another person’s family into it is a fucking COWARD!! You mention my wife and I’ll beat you to death with my bare hands if I find you, you god-damned rapist.

    Marty Mintz, a Jew, sold my father a bill of goods that ruined our family. Tore it asunder every bit as much as any Nazi tore Jewish families asunder. He conducted a Holocaust upon my family. Marty Mintz knew the business he sold my father was a failed business. As someone who later became a CPA, I NOW KNOW THIS. He should have closed his doors since he was renting the building and started his new business with his own capital, but no, being the fucking crook that he was, he took advantage of an idiotic, naive gentile who couldn’t see the forest but for the trees. My father went bankrupt because of that failed business he never should have been suckered into purchasing and my parents divorced and my rather large family was scattered to the many winds. It was destroyed. It was our Nakba and it was delivered to us by a Jew. Sure, there were other mitigating factors, but the impetus that brought all those other mitigating factors together in a Perfect Storm was the wily machinations of a conniving, crooked Jew who knows Monkey Business. Marty Mintz used the capital he obtained from fraudulently selling a failed business to my father to buy his next business. He plucked it from a gentile tree rife with ripe sucker fruit easy for the pickin’. It was that easy and is that easy if you have the sadistic inclination to screw those you believe are lesser than you and therefore deserve it. One wonders how many more people Marty Mintz screwed over like this during his entire life? No doubt quite a few because it’s a mentality, a personal philosophy to live by. Screw or be screwed. If America wasn’t always that, it certainly is now. Screw or be screwed and it’s not wrong unless you get caught, therefore anything goes in your effort to get your’s.

    Marty Mintz taught me everything I needed to know about Jews and this woman, a True Jew, validated it.

  255. @Mulegino1

    ” Being a big wind bag”

    Well fact is I can pick up a soprano or an alto saxophone, or a flute, and I can blow a competent blues or a swinging jazz solo, which is certainly more than you can do.
    Furthermore I would wager to say that you have no artistic ability whatsoever, and that your basic “artistic” endeavor lies within your pathetic attempt to denegrate other people’s actual artistic knowledge or abilities.

    You remind of the envious type of individual who studies “art history” in college, and then tries to mix in with genuine artists and to identify as such.

    As far as Gothic being the ultimate in architectural expression : You are dead wrong with this neophytical assertment , the ultimate achievement in the art of architecture being Baroque, period, which is the then again the model for the innovation of “art deco”

    Gothic is a marvelous expression indeed, however it stils lacks the finesse, the filigrane the three-d multi-layered cornucopia of Baroque.
    You simply do not know what you are talking about, you are the bag of wind here.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  256. Mulegino1 says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Not only a wind bag but a braggart. In any case, I will wager that my singing voice is superior to yours, as I have sung solo a capella before many congregations. And keep in mind that the human voice is the measure of all musical instruments.

    The Gothic is superior to the Baroque because it is a perfect reflection of the high point of European culture, the Medieval synthesis of scholastic philosophy, the poetry of Dante, and the contemplative spirit. The Gothic reflects the divine and transcendent cosmology of the Age of Faith.

    This is not to disparage the Baroque, but the Baroque- while magnificent- is unequal to the Gothic as it is a reaction to the cultural and spiritual degeneration of the Renaissance and Reformation periods.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  257. @Mulegino1

    ” I will wager my singing voice is superior to yours”

    First of all , such as is the case with the great majority of Jazz musicians, I am also a vocalist, My druthers being the so-called “standards” such as immortalized by Sinatra, B Crosby , Mel Torme’
    Chet Baker, etc.

    In Jazz music there is no such animal as a “superior” voice, due to the fact that the “how” of a performance is that which counts, the Jazz authenticity, and not the sound or quality of one’s voice.

    Chet Baker, one of the all time greats was endowed with a thin, almost effete’ voice box, and yet he was untouchable in style, and swing, most specifically his “skating”.

    Satchmo most certainly was not noted for his “beautiful” sound, and yet his style and “jazziness” was remarkable beyond reproach.

    “Gothic” represents the high point in european culture” : Hogwash, as Europe was, at the advent of Gothic in France, immersed in the “dark-ages”, the clergy being the only remaining “cultured” individuals, period.

    “Baroque” having been conceived after the “rebirth”, and at the advent of the “enlightenment” , most certainly is more of a reflection of the “high point” of european culture”, which was the seventeenth century, basta.

    Look I am not searching for a competion with you or anyone else here, as I consider you to be an uneducated social-climbing “Schwätzer”

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  258. Art says:
    @Incitatus

    Incitatus,

    I see you have folks talking about WWII again — which is a sure sympathy winner for you Jews.

    After 8,686,798,778,687,997,908,579,886,951 Jew victim messages in the last 70 years – whenever WWII is mentioned, the human subconscious mind is defenseless – it automatically feels pity for the Jew tribe.

    The Jew tribe has used this pity indoctrination, to apply the Stockholm syndrome against the Western mind.

    The Stockholm syndrome: Terrorists capture and hold a group of people. They make claims that they themselves are the real victims. Those being coerced begin to believe and have sympathy for the terrorists. Even though they are being traumatized, they identify with their coercers.

    This is the plight of America’s elite. They are controlled by the terrorist Jew tribe. The elite’s livelihoods depend on the coercive Jews. Politicians, media, academics, and corporate heads are spied on and controlled by Jews. Indeed, every Jew is a spy for his tribe.

    Without question, the US elite live in fear of the Jews. Without question, Jews control the US elite. This fear and control is built around victimization lies. They allow the endlessly repeated, hyperbolic exaggerated “six million, lamp shades, and soap” lies to control them.

    Viewing Palestinian life, one wonders how all those Gentiles at FOX can be so pro-Israel? The answer is simple, because of the Stockholm syndrome they identify with their Jew captures and ignore the true plight of the Palestinians.

    By using the Stockholm syndrome – Jews control America and the West.

    The antidote to this fear and control is the truth about the coercive Israeli culture.

    Truth will win out!

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  259. Art says:
    @Momus

    Hey Momus —- the picture at the top of this article says it all about you low life Jews.

    One beautiful dignified Palestinian woman flying her flag vs. a phalanx of slime bag murderous Jew IDF thugs.

    The slime ball Jews are all fitted out with the latest personal instruments of war. She with simple righteousness. She is going to win.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Maintain Hope — Love Idealism — Art

    p.s. See the IDF warrior thugs, some even have knee pads – how funny.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Art
    , @Momus
  260. Svigor says:
    @Momus

    I’ve spoken to people who lived through it in Europe and listened to the testimony of people at the ends of their lives, with nothing to gain by lying or exaggerating. The Nazis organised an industrial scale human extermination program.

    Anyone who says he personally witnessed industrial scale human extermination is lying. It’s like claiming to know every part of a mountain range because you hiked one mountain. It’s basically a claim to omniscience.

    It’s pretty routine for “eyewitnesses” to retcon their later hearsay into the past via speculation and hindsight. It’s shot through every single eyewitness account I’ve ever read (probably more than fifty and fewer than a hundred). Eyewitness testimony isn’t worth much.

    • Replies: @Momus
  261. Svigor says:
    @j2

    There are no overwhelming evidence for the extermination program. I looked for it and could not find any. The was a program for moving Jews into camps and transporting the to the Eastern Europe. They were deprived of their freedom, lost their properties and had to do forced work.

    This is where I am at, more or less. Add to this the fact that Jews make tons of political hay with their narrative, and they’re absolutely okay with the panoply of illegitimate laws suppressing free speech on the topic in Europe; it’s bad enough that the evidence is so flimsy, but they have force of gov’t crushing any dissent? No, this White man isn’t buying. Come back when people are allowed to talk about the strong smell of rat, kthxbye.

  262. Svigor says:
    @Wally

    This is the kind of thing I was referring to; leave aside for a moment the accuracy of the claim about soap made from human flesh. How TF could they have possibly known at the time, regardless of the facts of the matter? Cousin Moshe told them? Some SS ghoul revealed the “facts”? Either way, it’s hearsay – what we can be fairly certain about is that they had no chem lab to test the soap.

    This sort of thing is obviously just Jews making shit up, passing along lurid rumor (Jews are nothing if not high in their own regard, and thus prone to fanciful, self-centered tales) as Gospel. Which brings to mind one reason I think holocaust eyewitness testimony even less reliable than eyewitness testimony in general.

  263. Svigor says:
    @Momus

    Typically the lack of proof of death (e.g., a body, enough parts of a body to prove death, etc.) does make a murder case unwinnable. Which is what we have here – lack of proof of death, and very little working to overcome that deficit.

    Of course in this case we have, by far, the largest and most devastating war in history providing a concomitant fog of war; it’s irresponsible to assume, absent hard evidence, that the Nazis mass-murdered 12m civilians in the holocaust, even if we stipulate that they died around that time. Millions could have been murdered by forces in the east, or disappeared into the maw of the Soviet meat grinder.

    I think evidence of remains of 12m corpses is a low bar to set.

    • Replies: @Momus
  264. Svigor says:
    @Momus

    And Jews are a social construct – so what?

  265. Mulegino1 says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    The “Dark Ages” that you refer to occurred long before the rise of the Gothic. The Gothic was the supreme expression of the great medieval synthesis of Faith, philosophy, art and architecture; it was also a true expression of art as work of the anonymous artisan as opposed to the individual, since the great Gothic

    The Baroque was grand indeed, a kind of reaction to the worldliness of the Renaissance and the Iconoclastic spirit of the radical Reformation, and absolutely antithetical to the spirit of the Englightenment and Modernity.

  266. Mulegino1 says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Like most fascists, you have poor taste in art.

    In reality, it is exactly the other way around. Both National Socialist Germany and Mussolini’s state produced some magnificent works of art , architecture and cinema.

    The bad art is usually produced by the international socialist types and the liberal democratic types, as is evinced by embrace of ugly modern art by the Rockefellers, the Guggenheims, and the Trotskyite left. Stalin realized that this insipid, banal ugliness was useless and inspired no one and decided to adopt the model of Socialist Realism in its stead.

  267. L.K says:
    @Art

    Hey Art,

    21 year old Palestinian nurse Razan Alnajjar was murdered by Israeli sniper fire yesterday, while she was helping other wounded Palestinians who are participating in the #GreatReturnMarch.

    I’m sure that acc to the likes of momus, peterAus, shama-less & co, she was just another hamas “terrorist”…

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Sam Shama
  268. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Israeli attacks were not pre-emptive they were typical Zionist aggression.

    Next.

  269. @Mulegino1

    When it comes to pure stupidity, authenticjazzman manages to outcompete even the blatant Hasbara trolls here. Perhaps he should put that on his resume.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  270. @Mulegino1

    Art Deco, who sometimes comments here, is the consummate cuckservative FWIW.

  271. @Sam Shama

    Thank you for a moving comment…

    Yes, moving indeed. Now you can save a little on laxatives.

  272. @Momus

    Benthic Wally is at it again.

    And so are the “benthic” Dizzy Izzies…

    Palestinian medic, 21, is killed by Israeli sniper as she tends wounded in Gaza
    Israel/Palestine Mondoweiss Editors on June 1, 2018

    Today an Israeli sniper shot and killed Razan al-Najjar, a 21-year-old volunteer medic in Gaza, She was wearing a white coat when she was shot and was reportedly tending wounded Palestinians when she was shot.

    http://mondoweiss.net/

  273. @Momus

    …the Jews do but they are very smart but have also got ahead exceedingly well.

    Then why are they always whining about how badly they’ve been treated? Aren’t they smart enough to avoid that sort of thing, or what?

  274. @Momus

    I read it just fine. You illiterate or sumpin? No books in da benthos?

    Anyway, someone must’ve read it to you, otherwise how would you know?

    • Replies: @Momus
  275. @Wally

    Many times we wondered: ‘Could this be my brother, my sister, another relation?

    Yet they apparently used the stuff. Can you imagine???

    Them’s some sick puppies!

  276. @Beefcake the Mighty

    Perhaps he should put that on his resume.

    Nah, it’s too obvious. The other stuff is probably made up and besides, judging by the quality of his contributions, no one would ever guess any of it, if true.

  277. Art says:
    @L.K

    I’m sure that act to the likes of momus, peterAus, shama-less & co, she was just another hamas “terrorist”…

    Dolf Hitler loves those guys — Jew fascism has picked up, right where he left off. Nazism Zionism – same coin – different sides.

    When Incitatus, Momus, et all, go to hell, Dolf will greet them as brothers, with open arms, hugs and kisses.

    Art

  278. Art says:
    @Art

    p.s. See the IDF warrior thugs, some even have knee pads – how funny.

    Say Momus — you silly little one — like in that picture at the top of the article, do you keep your knee pads on all day? You should — they give you real gravitas.

    Just looking out for YOU — Art

  279. @Momus

    This is a live conversation, not a lecture on English grammar, Momus. Despite some minor imperfections in some sentences everybody understands what is it about. Instead of commenting on unpleasant facts about Jews you focus on small and not pertinent linguistic errors. Typical for jewish behaviour and chucpach

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  280. Momus says:
    @Svigor

    I’m a sceptic so not making claims about numbers.
    I do note that convicted denier, and Nazi poster boy, David Irving says his sleuthing now suggests a figure of 4 million.

    The overarching, inescapable fact is the Nazis constructed the ideological and physical machinery for a massive culling of Jews and ran their Holocaust device.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Wally
    , @Art
  281. Momus says:
    @Wally

    “Healthy Jews at liberation”

    Condemned new arrivals from a week or two earlier benthic Wally.

    Plenty of mention of the range of health of the inmates by the accounts of liberators.

    Why even post stuff that debunks itself unless your case is desperate.

    • Replies: @Wally
  282. Momus says:
    @jacques sheete

    I am an astonishingly fast reader as one of my teachers told my mother. No problem for me.

    More concerned for the tone here.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  283. Momus says:
    @Art

    She is a stooge for a Hamas propaganda shot. She is wishing the bearded arseholes that forced her to put on her Friday best and wave that rag would die and that life in Gaza could regain a semblance of normality and good relations with…anybody.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @jacques sheete
  284. @Momus

    More concerned for the tone here.

    My, how touching.

  285. @Momus

    The overarching, inescapable fact is the Nazis constructed the ideological and physical machinery for a massive culling of Jews and ran their Holocaust device.

    Projection again.

    The overarching, inescapable fact is the Bolshies constructed the ideological and physical machinery for a massive culling of goyim and ran their Holocaust devices.

    Tell us how many goyim were killed during the wars for Bolshevist supremacy. You do know who the main Bolshevists were don’t you?

  286. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    Saul Bellow

    I don’t recognize his talents particularly, and I’ve never met anyone who read him for pleasure, as opposed to because he was supposed to be “significant”. YMMV, as they say on the internet.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  287. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Momus, clueless as usual to the lies that he supports. LOL

    The official tall tale says that the German tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on, it says that old people and the young were gassed upon arrival.

    No doubt that went over Momus’s head. LOL

    VIDEO classic: Auschwitz Aerial photos, tampered with to fit the fake story

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11669&p=87558

    ex.:
    Drawn in ‘Jews being marched to gas chambers’, on a roof.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Momus
  288. Wally says:
    @Momus

    Helloooo, dull Momus.
    Irving was released early from an Austrian prison after being convicted of Thought Crimes. IOW, he cut a deal. Catch up.

    recommended to Unz readers:
    Irving’s ‘holocaust’ lite / but what ’2.4 million document’?

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4548

    Irving attempts ‘rehabilitation’ via the Hoefle Telegram

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4558

    Grubach’s Open Letter to David Irving

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4563

    Momus, without any proof laughably said:
    “The overarching, inescapable fact is the Nazis constructed the ideological and physical machinery for a massive culling of Jews and ran their Holocaust device.”

    Only in the weak, perverted Zionist mind.

  289. Art says:
    @Momus

    The overarching, inescapable fact is the Nazis constructed the ideological and physical machinery for a massive culling of Jews

    One cannot quibble with that statement – only the numbers can be questioned.

    What happened cannot justify culling of a different people. That cannot be quibbled with either.

    One victimization does not justify another victimization. Two wrongs do not make a right.

    We all know that is what the Jews are doing. They have undertaken 70 years of war on the Palestinians. They are corrupting Western nations to achieve their goals of eliminating Palestine and gaining hegemony over the ME.

    Fascist Israel is like fascist Germany. Fascist Israel must be condemned just as Fascist Germany was condemned.

    Western nations must reject the Jew Stockholm syndrome attack on their cultural leaders.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Momus
  290. Art says:
    @Momus

    She is a stooge for a Hamas propaganda shot. She is wishing the bearded arseholes that forced her to put on her Friday best and wave that rag would die and that life in Gaza could regain a semblance of normality and good relations with…anybody.

    Momus — You demonstrate what human trash Zionist Jews are — Art

  291. @Momus

    Momus is a stooge used for Hasbara propaganda rants. She is wishing the circumcised arseholes that forced her to put on her Sabbath best and wave the blue and white rag would die and that life in the world could regain a semblance of normality and good relations with…anybody.

  292. @Contributor

    Instead of commenting on unpleasant facts about Jews you focus on small and not pertinent linguistic errors.

    While making plenty herself, and not only linguistic but logical, factual and spiritual ones as well…but hey, she’s “special,” and the rules don’t apply to her.

  293. Momus says:
    @Svigor

    I said: The Nazis organised an industrial scale human extermination program.

    Svigor said: Anyone who says he personally witnessed industrial scale human extermination is lying.

    No one is claiming to have personally witnessed industrial scale extermination mate.

    You are tugging your old boy.

    • Replies: @j2
  294. Momus says:
    @Art

    We all know that is what the Jews are doing. They have undertaken 70 years of war on the Palestinians. They are corrupting Western nations to achieve their goals of eliminating Palestine and gaining hegemony over the ME.

    Really? We all know? Your observation is a perverse inversion; like mistaking you anus for your mouth.

    The Jews are indigenous to the very small area of the middle east called Israel. Arab peoples, Bedouins, Christians and others also live there.

    The Arabs, in vastly greater numbers have the rest of that region. When Israel was ceded their small holding by the UN her neighbours declared they would finish what Hitler failed to do. On three occasions the arsehole Arabs announced their genocidal, nation destroying intentions, and said “watch while we eviscerate the Jews”.

    Each time they failed. Each time Israel won a defensive war. The Arab ignominious battleground humilitations are textbook how-not-to-do-its.

    Hamas is trying it again, and again, and again and losing: from their shithole that could have been their Singapore they themselves, not Israel, are commiting a genocide of all hope and reasonable possibility on their own people. Their motivations are quite literally diagnosably psychopathic. Talk about generationally transmitted holocaust syndrome, these morons actually select their breed sires from the craziest jihadis and stuff up for another generation.

    Meanwhile magnanimous, moral Israel, in the face of this genocidal adversity, has flourished. Too funny. Too ironic. Too hard for Arabs to learn the lessons of recent history.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Art
  295. Sam Shama says:
    @L.K

    Listen, you insignificant little reptile, there are enough recriminations to go around and your transparent strategy to post the picture of a young woman killed, principally on account of your lover-boys in Hamas putting civilians and medics in harm’s way, to say nothing of Hamas terrorists using medic vans, uniforms etc to conceal their own presence in crowds as they carry out their murderous objectives, hasn’t escaped anyone’s notice.

    Two can play that game. Here is a priest who wanted to stay as clear as possible from Hamas coming to Bethlehem and, here is what he got:

    Shadi Khalloul Risho
    Yesterday at 5:21am ·
    Priest in Bethlehem Church being stabbed by Two terrorist Arabs / Muslims /Palestinians. The priest asked them to stop sexually harassing a Christian Pilgrimage ladies. In return they stabbed him and injured him badly. This is what Christians face under PA in Bethlehem and under any Arab control state. This would be the situation in Jerusalem if Jews won’t control it or if part of it would fall under Arab Palestinian control. This is why 99% of Israeli indigenous Christians prefer Jewish state than Arab state. This is why crusaders wars started at first before it developed to big tragedy. History repeats itself. Bethlehem Judea under Jewish control was safer for Christians.

    https://www.facebook.com/shadi.risho/posts/10155191164626268

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Art
    , @peterAUS
  296. Momus says:
    @Wally

    The official tall tale says that the German tried to kill every Jew they could get their hands on, it says that old people and the young were gassed upon arrival.

    Benthic Wally, I prefer to look at the evidence and decide for myself what might be going on.

  297. j2 says:
    @Momus

    Momus: “No one is claiming to have personally witnessed industrial scale extermination mate. ”

    This is exactly the problem in using witness statements as a support of an extermination project. No victim can possibly have seen more than a small part and there are so few witnesses who claimed to personally have seen many of the things the official story contains that an argument based on these witness testimonies it not strong, especially depending on several impossible details in them.

    To prove the existence of an extermination project one could refer to documents demonstrating it, but such documents are questioned (with good reason), indeed, there are no Nazi documents demonstrating this project. There are a few sentences, which allow multiple interpretations.

    Therefore what is left is physical evidence, but it is meager to say the least, and demographic calculations. I tried to make those calculations independently and as a result i only convinced myself that assuming simple arithmetics works, the official story is wrong. I compared my calculations to those which support the official explanation. My calculations were correct, they had invalid assumptions or uncounted omissions.

    Other than these three: documents showing the plan, physical evidence and demographic calculations I do not know any way to prove the existence of the program. So, there is no overwhelming evidence that you claim there is. There is only a judicial decision that no evidence is needed as the case is self-evident.

  298. @Momus

    Your observation is a perverse inversion; like mistaking you (sic) anus for your mouth.

    Did the grammar Bolshie mistake sumpin fer sumpin, (again)?

    How’s things in the benthic zone?

    Meanwhile magnanimous, moral Israel, in the face of this genocidal adversity, has flourished.

    If they’ve been flourishing, then maybe “genocidal adversity” is a myth, or paranoid ideation, or both? Maybe?

    Bwahahahaha!!!!

    PS: Some of us dumb goyim know who blames others for what they’re doing.

    ” The chief mission of all other races and peoples, large and small, is to perish in the revolutionary holocaust. ”

    –Karl Marx Die Neue Rheinische Zeitung NZR January 1849
    As quoted here: https://www.henrymakow.com/2018/05/Karl-Marx-Was-Rothschilds-Third-Cousin%20.html

    It’s an old trick, too.

    Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

  299. Incitatus says:
    @Mulegino1

    “Douhet theorized about terror bombing, but it was the British, not the Germans, who first put it into practice…”

    Actually, Douhet studied Germany’s WW1 terror bombing campaign against Britain [26 Feb 1915 - 5 Aug 1918]. It involved 51 day and night raids by Zeppelins and Gotha aircraft dropping more than 5000 bombs, killing 557, injuring 1358. And who, you’ll ask, was first to bomb a city in WW1? Germany. Liège, Belgium two days after it invaded the neutral country (6 Aug 1914).

    Why so modest Mulegino1? It was Wilhelmine Germany, not the British, who first put a terror bombing campaign into practice. Douhet built on that foundation. He concluded technological improvements and strategy could make air campaigns decisive. That was the genius of his ‘Command of the Air’.

    “Guernica was not a case of terror bombing, but the bombing of a legitimate military target”

    Really? Why did wave after wave of bombers miss the bridge and barracks (the only military targets)? Why did they level and fire 70% of civilian buildings? 40-50 tons of bombs? ‘Feuerzauber’ – elektron (92% magnesium) tubes filled with thermite (impossible to extinguish)? Strafe and kill civilians? Was it to induce “terror” on soldiers and civilians alike, as Douhet recommended?

    Here’s what von Richthoven wrote in his war diary:

    “Fear, which cannot be stimulated in peaceful training of troops, is very important because it affects morale. Morale is more important in winning battles than weapons. Continuously repeated concentrated air attacks have the most effect on the morale of the enemy.”

    Golly. Are “fear” and “terror” synonyms? Is strafing civilians “a legitimate military target”? Think carefully.

    It wasn’t just Guernica. Turn back the clock to ‘36. Was Madrid a “legitimate military target”? Shelling the Prado in Nov? Bombings from 10 Nov [‘36] that were “homicidal, targeting plazas and busy streets, train stations and hospitals”? Were they “legitimate military target[s]”? Who decides what’s “legitimate”? You?

    Condemning Axis ‘testing’ in Spain doesn’t mean sympathy for Soviet ‘testing’. It acknowledges civilians were cynically used as ‘terror bombing’ laboratory rats in 1937. No more. No less. No amount of perfume can suppress that stench.

    “Hitler only undertook the bombing of British civilian targets reluctantly three months after the RAF had commenced bombing German civilian targets. Hitler would have…”

    Yes, poor reluctant Adolf. One can’t but shed tears for him. Forced to attempt an illegal putsch. Forced to murder dozens of loyal SA, chancellor Schleicher and wife, and dozens more. Forced to imprison tens of thousands of German political enemies. Forced to assassinate Dollfuß and stage a failed coup in Austria. Forced to reoccupy the Rheinland and revoke Versailles. Forced to test weapons and tactics in Spain. Forced into Anschluß. Forced into the Sudetenland, his “last territorial demand”. Forced to invade rump Czechoslovakia and Poland. Forced to use incendiaries on Warsaw and Rotterdam. Forced to murder 200,000 helpless Germans with Aktion T4. Forced to invade Denmark, Norway, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, France, North Africa, Yugoslavia, Greece, Crete, Eastern Poland, USSR, etc.

    What a peace-loving martyr poor Adolf was!

    “The Luftwaffe’s mission was perceived to be that of providing air support to ground and naval combat forces, and it did not practice terror bombing. The Luftwaffe had no fleet of heavy bombers comparable to the RAF’s Lancasters.”

    Hitler and Göring rearmed on a model they envisioned would avoid the WW1 stalemate. Mobile armor and infantry with close air support. Blitzkrieg would defeat enemies before they had a chance to inhale. It was brilliant. Worked. Except with island England and (need one say it) the USSR.

    Hitler chose not to develop long-range bombers because he thought opposition would be snuffed out long before they were necessary. Your premise Germany’s “no fleet of heavy bombers” proves anything is (sorry) ridiculous. All it proves is Hitler’s hubris. The same hubris that rolled the dice and invaded the USSR (without winter coats).

    Housekeeping:
    • Kindly provide evidence of intent, planning, and action by the “cynical British War Party”, FDR, and “organized international Jewry”. How did they manage to get Hitler to invade most of Europe? Please be specific.
    • I’ve provided direct contemporary quotes. All sourced. Please provide same from those you claim were the real authors of war.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Wally
    , @Art
  300. Iris says:
    @Sam Shama

    An IDF sniper has deliberately shot Razzan Al Najjar, 21-year old paramedic.

    “At the protest site in Khuza’a, witnesses said that Razan approached the fence on Friday in her medic’s vest and with both of her arms raised to show the Israeli soldiers at 100 yards away that she posed no threat.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/gaza-grief-pain-slain-angel-mercy-paramedic-180602143958100.html

    “Shooting at medical personnel is a war crime under the Geneva conventions,” the PMRC said in a statement. It called for “an immediate international response to Israeli humanitarian law violations in Gaza.”

    http://www.dw.com/en/gaza-remembers-razan-najjar-nurse-shot-dead-at-israel-border/a-44056368

    Razzan was young, brave and selfless.
    The only “reptiles” are the psychopaths who ordered the massacre of defenceless Palestinians like Razzan, and those who defend them from Western safe heavens to which they show no loyalty. Shame on you.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Sam Shama
  301. @Iris

    Shame on you.

    Iris, there’s no shaming the shameless even though the name and the words share some similarities. In fact, there’s no shaming either Bolshies or Zionists. That one, like all the rest, say things only to deny saying them at a later date, then when convenient repeat that which they denied.

    Shameless.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  302. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Incitatus

    What a peace-loving martyr poor Adolf was!

    I imagine you think this is some sort of a point, but this sort of thing makes you look deranged. Which is quite a feat when you are in dialogue with actual unironic Nazis.

  303. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon

    My mileage on Bellow isn’t all that extensive, but Humboldt’s Gift caught me by the scruff of my neck, followed by just the sort of good shake that compels introspection. If a Dickensian turn of phrase and cadence has an American equivalent, that has to be Bellow.

    In HG he was not so inaudibly accused of turning up his nose at the “commodification of culture”, but I suppose Bellow knew full well that he’d been the first to write of it in elegant repose; earning the withering criticisms of his Antigones, as well as the Pulitzer, which he accepted in dignified silence and a smirk within.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Authenticjazzman
  304. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    When attempting to insult or upbraid an interlocutor with a remark played on their name, your originality leaves none speechless, most of all yourself; more’s the pity.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  305. Wally says:
    @Incitatus

    Yawn. Incitatus posts arguments that have already been refuted, repeatedly.
    See post 106 debunking communist propaganda about Guernica at:
    :http://www.unz.com/plang/israels-juvenile-ground-army/?highlight=guernica#comment-2315281
    and:
    Who started bombing civilians first:Germany or Great Britain?

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=8172

    Now for something real:

    Now revisionism teaches us that this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth. If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions, about the current World War III version of the same myth. Nothing would stop the current headlong flight to war faster, or more surely cause people to begin to reason about foreign affairs once again, after a long orgy of emotion and cliché.
    - Righteous Jew, Murray Rothbard, Review of The Origins of the Second World War, 1966

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

    http://www.codoh.com

  306. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    HG is the perfect example of a theory I have that Jews as a nation are better philosophers than novelists* (with exceptions, of course– Heller for example, and probably Singer, certainly others). I read it a long time ago, but it seemed to me at the time that it had more merit as a catalogue of the author’s opinions than as a novel.

    Kafka on the other hand is a quite readable author, but, again, I have discussed him far more in primarily philosophical contexts than primarily literary.

    *Though this may be influenced by my Anglophone bias. The English are excellent writers and mediocre philosophers, on the whole, though again of course with exceptions.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  307. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Listen, you insignificant little reptile, there are enough recriminations to go around and your transparent strategy to post the picture of a young woman killed

    Oh my’ — what have we here – Sam’s inner Jew has been triggered by the belligerent Momus. He has come out of his false conciliatory shell – to go full tribal.

    Now we see the true Sam – expressing solidarity with fascist Israel. He attempts to trigger Christian hate against Palestinians – by pointing out the murder of a priest by Muslims. He mendaciously manipulates death, to benefit his fascist tribe. He fails to point out that his tribe is 100% responsible for creating the murderous feelings of the Palestinians. Never in history were the Palestinians known for their savagery. Sam’s fascist tribal Jews did that to them.

    The Jewish state of Israel incubates humanity’s darkness. Its tribal sickness is infecting humanity.

    It is time for the UN to take back Palestine from the Jews. Clearly the Jews are undeserving.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Maintain Hope — Love idealism — Art

  308. Sam Shama says:
    @Iris

    An IDF sniper has deliberately shot Razzan Al Najjar, 21-year old paramedic.

    How do you know it was deliberate? [Under investigation]

    The only “reptiles” are the psychopaths who ordered the massacre of defenceless Palestinians like Razzan, and those who defend them from Western safe heavens to which they show no loyalty. Shame on you.

    You are just the sort of clueless busybody that proliferates the pages of social media mainly in search of venues and incidents to signal angelic virtue of which I speculate firmly, you possess little beyond fantasy. The reason for my speculation derives, of course, from your Pavlovian resort to accusations of disloyalty on the part of anyone not in your stupid echo chamber.

    And the expression is “safe havens”; your status as an angel notwithstanding.

    • Replies: @Iris
  309. peterAUS says:
    @Sam Shama

    …your lover-boys in Hamas putting civilians and medics in harm’s way, to say nothing of Hamas terrorists using medic vans, uniforms etc to conceal their own presence in crowds as they carry out their murderous objectives…

    Yup.

    Observing from a bit aside (or so I say) one could see an interesting interaction here going on.
    Like, your approach will work on “thinking” types; your opponent approach will work on “emotional” types.
    Math is simple there re results, but, then, also is quality vs quantity.

    For some people watching all this the best part is seeing that what worked for Islamists before ain’t working now.
    Ain’t working at all……
    Compliments to your side.
    Good work. Keep at it.

  310. @Mulegino1

    ” The Gothic was the supreme expression of the great medieval synthesis of Faith, philosophy, art and architecture”

    You simply have no clue as the the workings of the actual process of producing a work of art, be it a Cathedral, a musical composition, an act of musical improvisation ( the basis of Jazz music) a painting or a sculpture and on and on : The artistic creative process is a a non-thinking action, in which the artist or artists involved are attempting to produce an end-result, without intrinsic dogma, the dogmatic aspect being that which is ADDED to the creation by the viewers thereof, after it’s completion.

    The creators of the Gothic were not in any way shape of form engaged in their work and AT THE SAME TIME striving to express a synthesis of “Faith, philosophy, art and architecture”, this is not the way art is created, however it is a viewpoint of individuals who attempt to READ INTO certain art-works their OWN political, or societal world-views, and this is precisely what you are doing.

    This afternoon I was part of a band performing at a so-called jazz-brunch, and while playing my instrument, I was engaging no thoughts whatsoever regarding society, life in general, or politics, rather my only intention was to produce “swinging Jazz” period.

    The READING INTO art-works of political, societal, cultural aspects is an action which is engaged by non-artists, striving to express their own world-views, their own importance and their own bias.

    As far as knowledge or insight into Gothic, Baroque etc, I have visited and stood within : The (romanesque) dom of Speyer, of Worms, containing the magnificent gilded B Neuman baroque altar, of Mainz, The Gothic dom of Köln, Notre Dame, Regensburg, the Baroque dom of Fulda, of Passau, etc, etc, and so many more which I have forgotten, and I know what I am talking about.

    Look friend you and your unartistic cronies can just go ahead and label myself as a Liar, or whatever, as I do not care about your uninformed viewpoints or those of your friends, basta.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz artist.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  311. @Sam Shama

    Thanks friend for your kind words of understanding.

    AJM

  312. Art says:
    @Incitatus

    700 words that are much ado about nothing of importance today.

    This is important today.

    An IDF sniper has deliberately shot Razzan Al Najjar, 21-year old paramedic.

    Your 700 words beg to do more tribal fascist killing in Palestine.

    Razzan Al Najjar’s blood is on your hands.

    Own it!

    Think peace — Art

    p.s. Are you still not-a-Jew?

  313. Art says:
    @Momus

    The Jews are indigenous to the very small area of the middle east called Israel.

    No – not true – that is another Jew lie. The Palestinians where indigenous to that land before the Jews.

    To quote the renowned historian/anthropologist and “Holy Land” specialist, Professor Ilene Beatty:

    “When we speak of ‘Palestinians’ or of the ‘Arab population [of Palestine]‘, we must bear in mind their Canaanite origin. This is important because their legal right to the country stems…from the fact that the Canaanites were first, which gives them priority; their descendants have continued to live there, which gives them continuity; and (except for the 800,000 dispossessed refugees [of 1948 along with the further hundreds of thousands expelled before and after the war Israel launched on 5 June 1967]) they are still living there, which gives them present possession. Thus we see that on purely statistical grounds they have a proven legal right to their own land.” (“Arab and Jew in the Land of Canaan,” 1957)

    In short, today’s Palestinians and their ancestors have been living continuously between the River and the Sea for about 9,000 years.

    The belligerent Jews must lie and intimidate people, because their claims to Palestine are bogus.

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

  314. Iris says:
    @Sam Shama

    Your comment displays all the usual DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender) used by Zionist commenters.

    Not a single word, not a single thought, not a single doubt for the untimely loss of a 21-year old.
    You don’t even realise that you display all the characteristics of a pervert and psychopath in your comments, for everybody to see.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Momus
  315. Sam Shama says:
    @Anon

    It’s rather a good theory, and as Jewish authors of that period go, Heller and Kafka are very readable. Still, I’d pick a Chesterton piece over one by either of those two.

  316. Incitatus says:
    @Art

    “I see you have folks talking about WWII again — which is a sure sympathy winner for you Jews.”

    I responded to S2C’s “Jews were directly complicit in targeting German civilians in the Allied terror bombing of Germany.” Modest as ever, S2C had to be reminded paisan Guilio Douhet, standing on the shoulders of Wilhelmine giants, helped volk like Richthofen test kill 300 civilians and level Guernica.

    Here’s a question, Mahatma Holy Art (it’s you, #1 Art, isn’t it?). Where is your message to S2C? Did I miss it?

    S2C introduced WW2 on the thread. Did you rebuke him, Mahatma? Surely you didn’t give him a pass because he’s a fellow race-baiter? Friend of #7 ‘Big Jew, Little Jew Slur’ Art [most popular] and #8 ‘You’re a Jew Enabler’ Art [second-most popular]? You wouldn’t do that, would you Mahatma? Tell us you wouldn’t!

    It’s strange. #5 ‘Read Few WW2 Comments [but Post Anti-Jew on Most]’ Art is back in action criticizing anti-Nazi posts while #4 ‘Ever-Elusive “Condemn Nazis”’ Art still isn’t in evidence. Why, Art? Is #9 ‘Passive-Aggressive’ Kick-Ass, Bury You, You’re “Weak and Pathetic” Art in control, just behind the curtain?

    “The Stockholm syndrome: Terrorists capture and hold a group of people. They make claims… terrorist Jew tribe… coercive Jews… spied on and controlled by Jews… every Jew is a spy for his tribe… US elite live in fear of the Jews… Jews control the US elite…“six million, lamp shades, and soap” lies”… they [Gentiles at FOX] identify with their Jew captures… Jews control America and the West… coercive Israeli culture… Truth will win out!”

    Wow! Is this a new face? The ‘Tenth Face of Art’? ‘Julius Streicher Schoolmaster of the Year’ Art?

    Congratulations. Talk about hard labor! Better than a diseased rat giving birth to a putrid elephant! Still, we who love you expect no less, Mahatma Holy Art. Helpful advice from #10 Streicher Schoolmaster Art – procure a bullwhip. Does wonders to make people ‘think peace’. Even Hitler walked around with one (who knew there were so many bulls around München) in the early days.

    Think Again – The Führer’s Not Coming Back – Mend Your Ways – Take Your Meds – Incitatus

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Art
  317. Sam Shama says:
    @Iris

    It is you that displays an over-abundance of certitude in claiming that it was planned, ordered and executed in flawless sequence.

    First, spare me your febrile social media cue-card words, immediately followed by more virtue signalling. I called you clueless since you haven’t provided any basis for your charges above. They are the output of female vapour, not conclusions of an investigation. Again, how do you know that it was deliberate?

    Second, you have tossed disloyalty, perversion and psychopathy as my markers. On what do you base these accusations? Disloyal to whom, and based on which portion of my writing? Perverted psychopath exactly how? I suppose I could have written words of heart-rending melancholy, of wails, and that might have satisfied you of my deep humanity?

    Lastly, I need to say this using down-home vernacular: you don’t know jack shit about this incident; not yet.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Iris
    , @Art
  318. Sam Shama says:
    @Incitatus

    I must remember to address Art as ‘Mahatma’, hereafter. Who knows, perhaps even join him for the famed Salt March!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  319. Art says:
    @Incitatus

    Here’s a question, Mahatma Holy Art (it’s you, #1 Art, isn’t it?). Where is your message to S2C? Did I miss it?

    Incitatus —- the obvious giant difference between you and S2C is this:

    An IDF sniper has deliberately shot Razzan Al Najjar, 21-year old paramedic.

    Your fascists are killing people today — his are not!

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Maintain Hope — Love Idealism — Art

    p.s. Word from hell is that Dolf Hitler loves you more then he loves S2C — YES – hugs and kisses to YOU from Dolf. He loves your name for him, Dolf – it is so human. (When you pass on – you will get to be with him.)

    p.s. They have made new “settlements” in hell for you’ll.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  320. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    An IDF sniper has deliberately shot Razzan Al Najjar, 21-year old paramedic.

    Lastly, I need to say this using down-home vernacular: you don’t know jack shit about this incident; not yet.

    Oh my’ — Sam has his Jew on today – he reached back into his programed brainstem to come up with the obnoxious canard of “it has not been proven by the highest court of the land, so we must doubt it.”

    His mature Western mind is just not there – he is all defensive angry vulgar words today – poor boy!

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Maintain Hope — Love Idealism — Art

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  321. Incitatus says:
    @Mulegino1

    “The Gothic was the supreme expression of the great medieval synthesis of Faith, philosophy, art and architecture; it was also a true expression of art as work of the anonymous artisan as opposed to the individual, since the great Gothic…”

    Care to complete your assertion? Seems to be missing from your post (#270).

    Don’t worry. Gothic remains a favorite. Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Chartres (all original glass), Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Paris (wonderful), Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Reims (two rose windows), and the list goes on. It was my business to see most of them.

    How about the transitional Basilique St-Denis de Paris? Basilique St-Rémi de Reims?

    What about the formative (pure) Romanesque? St-Lazare de Autun? Abbatiale Ste-Foy de Conques? Abbaye Notre-Dame de Sénanque? Abbaye de Silvacane? The acoustics are spectacular (by design).

    Ever listen to Marcel Pérès and ‘Ensemble Organum’ on HM? ‘Chants d L’Église de Rome – 6th century on? You might be surprised. There’s more continuity than you might imagine. In architectural terms, relationships between Ravenna and Aix-la-Chapelle (Aachen), though the Romanesque and Gothic. To say nothing of the Byzantine and Hagia Sophia.

    Nonetheless, it’s great, Mulegino1, you consider “Gothic was the supreme expression”. How do you feel about Germany burning France’s coronation Cathédrale Notre-Dame de Reims, melting the lead roof and destroying much of the sculpture Sep 1914? Then using it for target practice – more than 300 shells. You’re a champion of “supreme expression”. Any comments on those who did their best to destroy it?

    How about the intentional burning of the priceless 300,000 volume Medieval library of Louvain on 25 Aug 1914, Mulegino1? That was Gothic. Any comments on those who destroyed it?

    Doubtless that can’t compare with your “solo a capella before many congregations”? You’re a genuine aesthete, as well as a consummate moralist, aren’t you? Ready to read everybody else their rights while holding a gun to their head.

  322. @Sam Shama

    I must remember to address Art as ‘Mahatma’, hereafter.

    Oh, you simply must! Please do!

    But also remember,

    When attempting to insult or upbraid an interlocutor … your originality leaves none speechless, most of all yourself; more’s the pity.

    Har har har..dat din’ take too long, diddit?

    I do luv de jokester in you, Shameless!

    PS: I’m really “impressed” at how you really gave Iris a piece of your mind! Impressive. (Yop!) Funny stuff there. Original, evun.

  323. Sam Shama says:
    @Art

    Your fascists are killing people today — his are not!

    You had better be on your best behaviour since S2C would be quite upset to find you claiming St. Dolfus killed anyone at all.

    Can you also please throw in a few more deliberate misspellings?

    In my other posts on the Al Najjar matter, I have been rather irate at all the uninformed nonsense swirling here, at the UR. It isn’t anything new, but I suppose it must have touched a nerve. The matter is under investigation and we shall know of the circumstances in the fullness of time.

    • Replies: @Art
  324. @Art

    His mature Western mind is just not there – he is all defensive angry vulgar words today – poor boy!

    I wonder why he’s so bitter and jealous and hostile sounding today. I was hoping he’d express a few words of heartfelt sympathy for the little medic who was killed in cold blood by the goons in yooni-form.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  325. Iris says:
    @Sam Shama

    There is one certitude I have: I support the Palestinian people 100% , but I could never shrug it off, or even rejoice like you do, if an Israeli nurse was killed while trying to attend a casualty.

    Neither a nurse, nor an Israeli child, nor any Israeli civilian for that matter.

    So, I quickly read your posts like that of a deranged person who has no moral compass.
    No need to waste my time : you are a psychopath and it is plain for any normal human being to see.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  326. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    An IDF sniper has deliberately shot Razzan Al Najjar, 21-year old paramedic.

    Lastly, I need to say this using down-home vernacular: you don’t know jack shit about this incident; not yet.

    Doubling down on death — your Jew tribesman make good on your words about “the incident.”

    After killing Gaza nurse, Israel conducts air strikes in Gaza

    yada … yada … yada … Israeli Jew propaganda

    The air strikes come a day after Razan Al- Najar, a 21-year-old volunteer medic, was shot as she ran toward the Gaza-Israel border fence in a bid to reach a casualty. Thousands attended her funeral in Gaza yesterday.

    ‘Hit me with your bullets. I am not afraid’ – Israel kills budding Gaza nurse

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180603-after-killing-gaza-nurse-israel-conducts-air-strikes-in-gaza/

    You bastards perpetrate these killings — Shame Shame!

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  327. Sam Shama says:
    @jacques sheete

    Irate? Yes. Bitter and jealous? At what or of whom? I confess I was terribly dismayed by the incident and the usual, knee-jerk recriminations. Yet I am positive that the ongoing investigation into the matter will reveal the truth. Are you really naive enough to believe that the IDF which has a very strict protocol of action, in broad daylight, would deliberately shoot a medic? Do you think they have anything to gain from it?

    Heartfelt sympathy? I’m sorry but I’d rather not indulge in obvious, pointless, self-indulgent piety. I’ve actually seen more unnecessary bloodshed in that part of the world up close than many here I suspect. None of it is needed today and none would be, absent the unthinking, virulent self-service of the Hamas, Hezbollah and yes, the Iranian leadership who would do all to keep their people in a constant state of indoctrination, ignorance, antipathy and disturbance.

    There is a plan for the Pals, one no different than that which comprises the life of the median Israeli. At least in a de facto sense. But it requires Hamas and its cash benefactors to quit despoiling the landscape.

    • Replies: @Art
  328. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    The matter is under investigation and we shall know of the circumstances in the fullness of time.

    Sam — that is insulting – Jews are going to investigate – what a joke.

    You are on a mean terror today. What – have you finally realized what a world predicament you Jews have. Can you see Dolf world coming your way? Can you feel it all ebbing away? The glowing kibbutz dream is dead. Israel has made the desert red with blood. Aggressive Zionism is locked in place. You have mass bombs – but no good will.

    You are squandering your time on us — you should be out talking truth to your power structure.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Maintain Hope — Love idealism — Art

  329. Sam Shama says:
    @Iris

    Once again, your Beatific Holiness, may I humbly ask you to shame me not into submission by recounting your sacrosanct virtues?

    I have none of it, but dare one ask when or where did this pitiful soul “rejoice” at the killing? Or did you reach in through the vapour and aether to discern my true feelings, as is your wont?

    [Side conversation: "Let's add 'deranged' and 'immoral' to the roster of my traits, shall we Beelzebub?"]

    In the meantime some of us have our attention focused on trifles, such as:

    http://www.israelhayom.com/2018/06/01/israel-to-invest-560-million-in-neglected-palestinian-areas-in-jerusalem/

  330. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    There is a plan for the Pals, one no different than that which comprises the life of the median Israeli. At least in a de facto sense. But it requires Hamas and its cash benefactors to quit despoiling the landscape.

    Please what cash — 100x’s the cash given Hamas could be found in a NY minute. That is not the problem.

    The problem is that the Jews want all of Palestine with NO Palestinians in it. That is your end game – PERIOD.

    If you truly wanted peace – you would be talking to your leadership — not conning us on UR.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Maintain Hope — Love & Idealism — Art

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  331. Sam Shama says:
    @Art

    Dear Mahatma,

    these are the circumstances in brief [from your link] :

    Rocket alerts sounded in Israeli towns and villages near the border after dark, sending residents rushing to shelters. None of Gaza’s groups claimed responsibility for the rocket fire.

    Residents in Gaza said Israeli aircraft struck at least three sites belonging to Hamas, the group which controls the enclave.

    The Israeli military confirmed in a statement it had carried out the air strikes, adding that “the Hamas terror organisation is solely responsible for all events that transpire in the Gaza Strip and emanate from it.”

    The best course of action here, it would seem, would be a direct appeal from you to Hamas. Being the noble organisation they are, they will brook no further impediments to the Path of Peace, which is the cornerstone of your philosophy.

    Amen

    P.S. We bastards won’t fire at Hamas when you are engaged in your incantations. Promise.

    P.P.S. Did you know that the PA has threatened to cut-off co-operation with Israel if she discontinues the Gaza blockade? Can you guess why?

    • Replies: @Art
    , @bj
  332. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    The best course of action here, it would seem, would be a direct appeal from you to Hamas. Being the noble organisation they are, they will brook no further impediments to the Path of Peace, which is the cornerstone of your philosophy.

    For years Hamas sent NO rockets into Israel – what did it get them other than an ever declining living situation.

    You are conning us with your “If Hamas – if the PA would just do whatever” peace would come — that is a lie — Netanyahu and the Zionists do NOT want peace. They and you want Palestine.

    If the Jew tribe wanted peace – you US Jews could buy it – Period.

    Sam — you are bullshiting us.

    Art

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Momus
    , @jacques sheete
  333. bj says:
    @Sam Shama

    Is Hamas gassing Jews again, Sam?

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  334. Momus says:
    @Iris

    I’d say it’s highly likely Hamas deliberately killed her as part of a cynical PR stunt. The bearded arseholes have form- like setting up military command posts in the basements of maternity hospitals. Having a vagina and being young, attractive and involved in that noble occupation is a real bell ringer. Perhaps she even volunteered?

    They have had no compunction what so ever about sending their sons and daughters forward to certain injury as fence attackers.

    Assuming there was a coronial investigation – unlikely because of the speedy burial- it will be interesting to know the type of bullet dug out of her.

    Either way it is Hamas fault for putting the Gazans in mortal (and moral) danger.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  335. Momus says:
    @Art

    For years Hamas sent NO rockets into Israel – what did it get them other than an ever declining living situation.

    That would have been prior to them being shown how to make their rockets.

    Instead of turning Gaza into the secular Singapore of the Mediterranean and becoming the envy and model for others, bearded 1 percenter Islamonazis turned the strip into a theofascist ghetto pathologically devoted to killing Israelis.

    Three weeks ago the Hamas fence attackers broke through the heavy security barrier protecting the gas, diesel and petro pipelines and pumping gear and the food and goods conveyors from Israel into Hamastan.

    The bearded morons thought they were in Israel and burned and damaged the equipment necessary for their own fuel, food and essential good supply.

    They dug themselves into a hole literally and are still digging.

    • Replies: @Technomad
    , @jacques sheete
  336. Mulegino1 says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    You simply have no clue as the the workings of the actual process of producing a work of art, be it a Cathedral, a musical composition, an act of musical improvisation ( the basis of Jazz music) a painting or a sculpture and on and on : The artistic creative process is a a non-thinking action, in which the artist or artists involved are attempting to produce an end-result, without intrinsic dogma, the dogmatic aspect being that which is ADDED to the creation by the viewers thereof, after it’s completion.

    The creators of the Gothic were not in any way shape of form engaged in their work and AT THE SAME TIME striving to express a synthesis of “Faith, philosophy, art and architecture”, this is not the way art is created, however it is a viewpoint of individuals who attempt to READ INTO certain art-works their OWN political, or societal world-views, and this is precisely what you are doing.

    In the Medieval period, there was no distinction made between the terms “artist” and “artisan”. They both meant the same thing. The Gothic has no “Bernini’s arches” or no “Michelangelo’s Last Judgements” because art itself was essentially anonymous- not in the sense that the artisans or artists were ashamed of their work- far from it (!)- but in the sense that the creation of art in and of itself had intrinsic value and there was no need for publicity or fame. None of the great Gothic cathedrals of the Medieval period can be attributed to a single individual. They are the work of generations of anonymous masons and builders.

    In this sense, the greatest composer of all time, J.S. Bach was one of the last medieval artisans (even though he lived in a period far removed from the Medieval). During his lifetime, he enjoyed a good local reputation as a musician and choir master and even composed for the King of Prussia, but was hardly a “celebrity”, in the same sense as Handel was. J.S. Bach was in all likelihood, perfectly content with the fact that he was considered a good artisan. The cult of personality or celebrity played no role in his life.

  337. Art says:

    Oh my’ — ADL gets no respect.

    ‘IGNORANT AT BEST’: ADL SLAMS TAMIKA MALLORY’S ISRAEL COMMENTS

    5:09 PM 06/04/2018 Peter Hasson | Reporter

    The Anti-Defamation League, a prominent Jewish civil rights group, slammed Women’s March leader Tamika Mallory on Monday for comments she made describing Israel’s founding as a “human rights crime.”

    “To deny millennia-old Jewish ties to Israel … yada … yada … yada”

    Mallory criticized the U.S. government on Friday for providing aid to Israel, which she claimed was illegitimately founded.

    Frosting: speaking of Israel
    “But you don’t show up to somebody’s home, needing a place to stay, and decide that you’re going to throw them out and hurt the people who are on that land. And to kill, steal, and do whatever it is you’re gonna do to take that land! That to me is unfair. It’s a human rights crime.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/04/ignorant-at-best-adl-slams-tamika-mallorys-israel-comments/

    Here is another – same subject.

    http://dailycaller.com/2018/04/17/womens-march-starbucks-boycott-adl/

    Think Peace — Art

  338. Art says:

    While Razan lost her life, Nikki Haley lost her humanity

    By Professor Kamel Hawwash | MEMO | June 3, 2018
    Last Friday, 1 June, a Palestinian volunteer medic, Razan Al Najar, was fasting and tending to the wounded at Gaza’s artificial fence with Israel. Thousands of miles away, the US Ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, was scheming on behalf of Israel at the world body. The day ended with martyrdom and glory for Razan and shame and humiliation for Nikki.

    Just like she had done since the start of the Great March of Return on 30 March, Razan said goodbye to her family to go to the border, knowing that her skills would undoubtedly be called upon to treat Palestinians planning to march to the fence that artificially separates Gaza from the rest of historic Palestine. They have been marching to exercise their right of return to the homes they and their families hail from and which Israel and its terrorist gangs had expelled them from in 1948 and continued to do since then. Razan’s medical skills would surely be needed because Israel decided to deploy tens of highly trained snipers to kill Palestinians. The number killed has now reached 119, with over ten thousand injured; some estimates put this figure at over 13,000.

    https://alethonews.com/2018/06/03/while-razan-lost-her-life-nikki-haley-lost-her-humanity/

    Think Peace — Art

    • Agree: Iris
  339. Technomad says:
    @Momus

    Turning Gaza into a Middle Eastern Singapore or Hong Kong would be much easier if the borders were open, and the Israelis and US didn’t do all they could to keep the people there penned up and wretched for daring to exist.

    I’ve been to Hong Kong. Particularly after 1949, the ChiComs could have taken the place over at any time, just by shutting off the water supplies and closing the borders down. They didn’t because it was useful to them—a lot of countries that wouldn’t trade with the Communists would do business with Hong Kong, and the Hong Kong businessmen would sell to anyone.

    The amount of hypocrisy and double think that American Zionists, and pro-Israelis in general, have to do to continue to support their favorite apartheid state never ceases to amaze me.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Momus
  340. @Art

    Sam — you are bullshiting us.

    He thinks he’s doing that. What a joker.

    He’s also mocking us as in this reply to Iris…

    Once again, your Beatific Holiness, may I humbly ask you to shame me not into submission by recounting your sacrosanct virtues?

    He also displays his ignorance about something he obviously knows JS about and with futility tries to impress us dumb goyim with his “deep” insights, pasting,

    The Israeli military confirmed in a statement it had carried out the air strikes, adding that “the Hamas terror organisation is solely responsible for all events that transpire in the Gaza Strip and emanate from it.”

    This is more likely the truth,

    The army denied responsibility, as it always does.

    -Uri Avnery, Strong as Death

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1527857702

    Well, here’s a bit more on his sacred heroes, the IDF.:

    Hamas is a religious-nationalist party which originally was furthered by the Israeli secret service (Shin Bet) in order to undermine the PLO.

    -Uri Avnery, Strong as Death

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1527857702

    What a sad, sad, moron. Maybe it should just stick to mounting its ponies.

  341. @bj

    Is Hamas gassing Jews again, Sam?

    Not yet; they’re still too busy making soap and lampshades and planning to take over the world. ;)

  342. @Momus

    Instead of turning Gaza into the secular Singapore of the Mediterranean and becoming the envy and model for others, bearded 1 percenter Islamonazis turned the strip into a theofascist (sic) ghetto pathologically devoted to killing Israelis.

    Wrong again, as usual. ( At least you’re consistent.)

    Here’s the truth about that.:

    The Gaza Strip could have turned into a blooming island. Optimists spoke about a “Second Singapore”. They spoke about a Gaza harbor, with due inspection of incoming goods either in Gaza or in a neutral port abroad. A Gaza airport, with appropriate security inspection, was built and used and then destroyed by Israel.

    And what did the Israeli government do? The very opposite, of course.

    The government subjected the Gaza Strip to a stringent blockade. All connections between the strip and the outside world were cut. Provisions could come only through Israel. Israel increased or decreased the import of essential necessities at its whim. The affair of the Turkish ship Mavi Marmara, which was bloodily stormed near the Gaza shore, emphasized the total isolation.

    The Gaza population has now reached about two million. Most of them are refugees from Israel, who were driven out during the 1948 war. I cannot say that I am innocent – my army unit fought in the south of Palestine. I saw what was happening. I wrote about it.

    The blockade created a vicious circle. Hamas and the smaller (and more extreme) organizations carried out acts of resistance (or “terror”). As a reaction, the Israeli government intensified the blockade. The Gazans answered with more violence. The blockade became worse. And so on, up to and including this week.

    -Uri Avnery, Strong as Death

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1527857702

    • Replies: @Momus
  343. @Momus

    Assuming there was a coronial investigation – unlikely because of the speedy burial- it will be interesting to know the type of bullet dug out of her.

    I doubt her tiny, frail body would have stopped a bullet from a sniper rifle even if the distance were significant.

    • Replies: @Momus
  344. @Technomad

    Turning Gaza into a Middle Eastern Singapore or Hong Kong would be much easier if the borders were open, and the Israelis and US didn’t do all they could to keep the people there penned up and wretched for daring to exist.

    True.

    See the quote from Avnery at comment #348.

  345. Momus says:
    @jacques sheete

    I doubt her tiny, frail body would have stopped a bullet from a sniper rifle even if the distance were significant.

    There has been no comment about the weapon used from Hamas- as expected their interest in and care of people is limited to using them as suicide props. I’m betting a hidden Hamas commander shot her. The Israeli’s have ruled themselves out of a direct hit.

    The Israeli snipers are using .22 calibre hollow point rounds- relatively low velocity, low penetration, short range to minimise shooting through.

  346. Momus says:
    @jacques sheete

    Hamas and the smaller (and more extreme) organizations carried out acts of resistance (or “terror”).

    Funny thing that after the murder of well over 1000 Israelis and the rocketing and bombing of their communities by these savages, Israel built a fence to keep the animal arseholes out.

    Now Hamas spends a considerable proportion of her donated aid money- yours and mine- read,
    burrowing under the fence. Or at least they did. Their main tunnels have been located and destroyed and Israels 20 metre deep underground concrete barrier and high tech fence is almost finished.

    If the Gazans had civil leaders and behaved themselves they would have their port and airstrip and a decent life- certainly a much better one that their poor Egyptian neighbours.

  347. Momus says:
    @Technomad

    The amount of hypocrisy and double think that American Zionists, and pro-Israelis in general, have to do to continue to support their favorite apartheid state never ceases to amaze me.

    Yes Hamistan is a shithole, say like Singapore was just after WW2. There was an insurgency to the North in Malaya and similar to Israel, a British mandate.

    The Singaporeans could see clearly what was going to happen if they didn’t watch out. Their leaders organised secure borders, secularity, kept their British systems, made strong defense alliances and evicted trouble making Muslims. They are the envy of much of the world

    The Gazan morons have done the exact opposite and in a decade or so created their own failed extremist Islamic apartheid state; at war with everyone and despised by most.

    None of it is Israel’s fault.

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