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After Indiana: Now That Trump Has Deep-sixed Cruz, Here’s How He Can Bury Clinton
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Last December I initiated a series of articles collectively headed “Why Trump Is Winning.” They were published at Forbes.com and, to say the least, my editors there seemed underwhelmed. After all, the almost universally touted conventional wisdom at the time was that Trump’s support had a low ceiling. Once the field started thinning, his negatives would supposedly bulk ever larger. My bet was the opposite: once the field started thinning, attention would move away from his reality-TV persona and other negatives, and would focus instead on his issues. And there he would prove unstoppable. (For some of my Trump-is-winning articles, click here, here, and here.)

Frankly Trump’s issues are the most powerful in any election in modern American history. After his tour de force in Indiana on Tuesday, there is little doubt that many voters have already got the message. But can he win in November? Even today, not everyone is convinced. Certainly if the British betting industry is to be believed, his chances are still no more than half of Hillary Clinton’s.

Not for the first time, Trump is being underestimated. His advantage on the issues will quickly prove even more telling against Clinton than against Cruz or Rubio. Although Clinton has the woman card (and it may be worth as much as seven or eight percentage points), she is more vulnerable than almost anyone realizes on Trump’s most powerful issues. Those issues are manufacturing and trade.

The story can be summed up in four points:

1. For several decades now manufacturing has quietly moldered as a sleeper issue and even today elite American opinion is oblivious to its epochal political and economic significance.

2. Given that Hillary Clinton has spent most of the last quarter century close to or at the center of American policymaking, she has had an unparalleled vantage point from which to assess the facts.

3. For most of that time she has been complicit in the cover-up of those facts.

4. Her latter-day espousal of manufacturing has been undertaken defensively and is a classic case of too little too late.

American cognoscenti have, of course, long viewed U.S. manufacturing as an invalid in the painful last stages of a terrible illness. The best apparently we can do is post a discreet “Do not resuscitate” sign at the bedside. Attempts to revive manufacturing are seen as sentimental, misguided, and, most of all, unnecessary. After all the United States is now supposedly triumphantly leading the world into a new postindustrial era.

In reality, as Trump understands better than almost anyone, the cognoscenti are fundamentally wrong. Their errors are traceable ultimately to misconceptions in outdated Anglophone economics textbooks.

Before considering the textbooks, let’s first note some key empirical evidence. Long ignored by American cognoscenti, the fact is that almost without exception the world’s richest societies boast thriving manufacturing industries, albeit capital-intensive ones that are a world away from the labor-intensive manufacturing that is used in all straw-man discussions among American establishment types. Wealthy manufacturing nations include not only Germany but Switzerland, Austria, the Low Countries, and Scandinavia (on many measures Denmark ranks as the world’s richest society and certainly has for more than a generation now been rapidly lengthening its lead over the United States).

There is also the evidence of East Asia. Not only have South Korea and Taiwan leveraged manufacturing to bootstrap themselves into the upper echelons of the world income table, but Japan is clearly (to anyone who knows the country, as Trump evidently does) one of the world’s richest economies. The impression otherwise is based on a few misleading quarter-truths. There is, for instance, the matter of Japanese asset values. Yes, after a tremendous and utterly unsustainable bubble in the 1980s (I declared it unsustainable at the time), Japanese stocks and real estate duly fell to earth in the early 1990s. And, yes too, Japan’s overall economic output has long been growing more slowly than in the decades immediately after World War II. What the mainstream press has missed, however, is that on a per-capita basis, real Japanese incomes have been doing fine in recent years, and so have living standards. The most obvious testimony to this is life expectancy, which has increased nearly eight years since the 1980s (and this despite the fact that the Japanese now eat a much more Western diet).

The overall economy’s slowdown is attributable not to lagging productivity growth but rather to a consistently declining workforce (in earlier decades, particularly in the miracle years of the 1960s, Japan enjoyed a fast-growing workforce). The latter-day decline reflects no terrible societal death-wish but rather the enactment of the Eugenic Protection Act of 1948. Concerned about food security, the Tokyo authorities legalized abortion on demand in a successful effort to cut the birthrate by more than half. (The concern about food security was not misplaced, incidentally. On a per-capita basis, Japan boasts little more than one-third of China’s arable land. And China, of course, was sufficiently concerned about food security in the 1970s to go one step further than Japan with an explicit one-child policy.)

A glance at Japan’s recent underlying numbers reveals many areas of remarkable – but strangely unpublicized – strength. Take autos, which are by far the most important consumer product traded internationally. In their electronics alone, autos feature as much advanced technology as smartphones. Despite a declining national workforce, the Japanese auto industry has more than doubled its global output in the last 25 years. The Toyota story alone is remarkable. Whereas as recently as the late 1980s, GM enjoyed more than double Toyota’s global sales, now Toyota’s sales are nearly one-third again higher than GM’s.

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Japan’s progress in electronics has been even more impressive. Remember that under Moore’s law, the number of transistors in integrated circuits has long been doubling about every two years. What ultimately drives such progress? The pace is set by super-precise production machines known as steppers. These consist of arrays of huge lenses that use optics to imprint ever more miniaturized patterns on optically sensitized chips. The most advanced stepper lenses are available only from Japan and the only other supplier is Zeiss of Germany.

If Japan’s leadership in manufacturing equipment is impressive, the story is even more so in materials. In accordance with Moore’s law, each new generation of chip requires a higher level of purity in materials. Japan dominates the global supply of virtually all advanced semiconductor materials, not least silicon. In the ultra-purified, not-an-atom-out-of-place, form needed for the latest generation of computer chips, silicon is available only from two Tokyo-based companies, Shin-Etsu Chemical and SUMCO. Monsanto of the United States once was a dominant supplier but it long ago fell by the wayside and so more recently did the only remaining European supplier, Wacker Chemie of Germany.

Let’s move on to a consideration of economic theory and its role in American industrial decline. Anglophone textbooks have traditionally identified just three key factors of production – capital, labor, and land. Now a further factor has emerged that plays a decisive role in the relative competitiveness of modern nations: production knowhow. Although production knowhow is of vital importance right across the board in advanced industries, its role is perhaps most clearly visible in the semiconductor industry. When a new microchip is introduced, top engineers may have to work for months honing production processes. At the outset they may achieve a yield of flawless chips of perhaps no more than 5 percent but as they debug the production system they may raise the yield above 90 percent. Once acquired, the resulting knowhow can be readily transferred to a plant on the other side of the world – and can be harnessed almost instantly to help boost foreign workers’ productivity.

Because textbooks generally do not recognize the significance of production knowhow, they overlook the fact that different nations employ very different production knowhow strategies. Nations like Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Germany, where regulators enjoy considerable direct and indirect control of manufacturing, are careful to discourage the flow of their nations’ most valuable production knowhow abroad, while at home they often use cartels to share knowhow rapidly among domestic manufacturers. That way, their own workers at home are provided with a major relative advantage in the world productivity tables. By contrast the United States and to a lesser extent other Anglophone nations are much more casual and these days rarely impose significant restrictions on technology outflows. This increasingly applies even in the case of knowhow considered to have important military applications (whose transfer abroad was in former times generally jealously restricted).

A further vital concern is that many nations have devised ingenious policies to wheedle technology out of other nations. This is most obvious in the case of China, which routinely specifies that as the price of admission to the Chinese market foreign corporations must not only manufacture on Chinese soil but bring their best technology. Such technology then often quickly migrates to indigenous competitors. American corporations are not the only victims but because they are not backstopped by a strong and knowledgeable home country government they are generally more exposed.

The effect on the U.S. economy has been inexorably enfeebling. The worst part of it is that top U.S. corporate executives rarely have much interest in raising the alarm. This is because they often strike profitable side deals with foreign governments that boost short-term profits and by extension the value of their stock options. In the long run, however, American workers – and by extension the American nation as a whole – carry the can. This applies in spades in the many cases where a foreign factory that was recently in receipt of advanced American technology starts exporting back to the United States.

Perhaps the most shocking exemplar of the technology transfer story is aerospace. The process fleetingly became a hot-button issue in the late 1980s when the so-called FSX affair erupted during the administration of Bill Clinton’s White House predecessor George H. W. Bush. The acronym stands for “Fighter Support Experimental” and refers to a Japanese program to acquire much of America’s most advanced airplane technology. As recounted by Kevin Kearns, who as a key foreign service officer in Tokyo tried to fight the deal, Japanese leaders essentially invented a phony need for a fighter jet and by rigging the mission requirements eliminated all existing off-the-peg U.S. fighter jets. A new plane had to be built and it would be built – at vast cost – in Japan. In the name of friendly alliance relations, the United States would supply American production technology to a consortium of the Mitsubishi, Kawasaki, and Fuji industrial groups.

Kearns explains: “The Japanese FSX fighter program was designed to advance the state of Japanese aerospace technology and manufacturing know-how under the guise of countering the Soviets. Japan in fact did not have the capability necessary to produce even a then current-generation fighter aircraft, but was willing to expend scarce defense resources to advance its industrial interests instead of contributing to the common defense. FSX is a clear case of Japanese defense free-riding while devoting its national resources to building better consumer and producer goods, thus increasing its trade surpluses with the United States.”

Despite the transparent nature of Japan’s agenda, the Bush administration acceded, and General Dynamics transferred to rising Japanese rivals much of its most valuable technology. Richard Armitage, who headed the State Department negotiating team, was later awarded the Grand Cordon of the Order of the Rising Sun for contributions to U.S.-Japan “mutual understanding.”

Later, it was Boeing’s turn to transfer technology – and again the recipients were mainly the Mitsubishi/Kawasaki/Fuji consortium. This happened largely on Bill Clinton’s watch and there is no evidence that he ever raised any objections.

The result has been that with each succeeding Boeing passenger plane, Japan’s work share has increased. Whereas Japan contributed a mere 16 percent to the Boeing 767, which was launched in 1982, it contributed 21 percent to the 777, launched in 1995, and a whopping 35 percent to the 787, launched in 2011. It is worth noting that the 787 is the world’s most advanced passenger plane. Its signature feature is superstrong, superlight carbon-fiber wings, which make possible stunning savings in per-passenger fuel consumption. Where are those wings made? In Japan by the Mitsubishi group. Much of the production technology Mitsubishi needed was served to it on a plate by Boeing.

The essense of Boeing’s deal with Japan is that in return for transfers of American technology and manufacturing know-how, the Japanese low-ball their prices for an ever more advanced array of components, materials, and sub-assemblies. In many cases, Japan’s state-controlled airlines further sweeten the pot by paying top dollar for U.S. airframes and jet engines.

Back to Donald Trump and his forthcoming encounter with Hillary Clinton. Trump’s decision to major on American decline was always right on its merits but it will prove tactically devastating against Hillary Clinton. While the entire American establishment – the academic world, the think-tanks, the press as well as big business and Washington – shares responsibility for American decline, one thing is undeniable: Hillary Clinton has ranked as one of the most consequential members of that establishment for a quarter of a century. Fate could not have provided Trump’s “Make America Great Again!” campaign with a more suitable opponent.

Eamonn Fingleton is the author of In Praise of Hard Industries: Why Manufacturing, Not the Information Economy, Is the Key to Future Prosperity (Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1999)

 
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  1. Interesting analysis, thanks.

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    • Replies: @Colleen Pater
    The problem is affirmative action. Anyone who creates jobs that elites [who couldnt change a tire to save their lives] wrongly think any minority could do, are soon inundated with court orders to make half their workers brown, Well the only thing lazier and more incompetent than a minority is one protected by a court order.Trust me I have been tasked with trying to teach minorities how to be construction workers for 30 years, yeah sure there are exceptions but the average is it takes 4 minorities twice as long to do half as good a job that one white can do. Im not exaggerating. What keeps it going is unions, [and government jobs] ironically they have pretty much destroyed the union/apprenticeship training wage system just as the last of the whites retire out having been unable to get their children in for 30 years.While it might be poetic justice its a disaster for America who has hit a wall on how much idiot proofing they can make jobs and so we simply cant do anything properly anymore. I sit around a table of 30 high IQ white foreman all about to retire and wonder WTF will our country do.
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  2. Good article!
    One day soon you’re gonna realize
    That the leaders of the country are tellin you lies
    That they sold it all and they sold it cheap
    And they put it in their pockets cause you were weak
    And they’re gonna get away ya they’re getting away
    And they really don’t give a damn what you say
    That’s the Hillary way.

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  3. This is a great example of how the media, pols and the executive class usually wake up to danger in the nick of too late.
    In Eamonn Fingleton’s case, it shows how an insightful and connected member of the economic establishment can drag his ass behind many a base-level worker in a factory, shipyard, farm or building site.
    I’m talking about a manual worker, who, believe it or not actually possess fully-functioning brains and know how to use them.(If they don’t, especially those in skilled trades and/or hazardous jobs, in many cases they are out of a job or worse, seriously injured.
    Some, again believe it or not, understand basic economics and a fair bit of what goes on in the wider world.
    Ergo, I worked with, or encountered, both here in Britain and abroad,plenty of such guys since the 60s who were fully aware of the dangers that Fingleton points out here. Not only that, but prior to our brain-washing by multi-kulti, and lacking a university liberal arts “education” they had a then-justifiable pride in their country married to a socially valuable instinctive, atavistic and generally male tribal loyalty which most of the middle class had shamed out of them( along with masculine pride, a sensible distaste for homosexuality and other social pathologies mandated by PC).
    Here just a few examples of hot the industrial worm’s eye view gives a clarity of vision compared to The Establishment.
    In fairness, Fingleton probably worked much of it out much, much earlier than most MSM types.

    He writes:
    Now a further factor has emerged that plays a decisive role in the relative competitiveness of modern nations: production knowhow” ..
    ‘Taint nowheres new, Eamonn– ANYONE who had wasted time producing something the hard way learns the value of production know-how real quick. Not just the guy with an aching back or skint knuckles from doing it the old way, but his employers, because if they don’t, they fall behind the competition.
    He goes on:
    “Despite a declining national workforce, the Japanese auto industry has more than doubled its global output in the last 25 years.”

    Same story in most car factories, indeed in most of engineering, Eamonn.
    40 years ago unions and politicians here in Britain were waxing lyrical about, to use the buzz-phrase of the time, “The White Heat of Technology”.
    Surprisingly, it was a Labour government under Harold Wilson in 1964 which created the new Cabinet post of Minister for Technology, specifically to assist engineering and technology firms to embrace the future.
    Of course, being politicians who had never actually worked at anything that required technical knowledge, the made Tony Benn, the Labour’s looniest Lefty in charge, a man, who, to use a common engineer’s jibe, “couldn’t fit a nut in a monkey’s mouth”

    Aviation was added to Benn’s Ministry , which made it a very powerful Ministry- all the better to f*ck up more industries, which it proceeded to do.
    Britain was front and centre in technology when Wilson came in- in short order 3 models of the decades- ahead multi-role fighter TSR-2 was up, flying and amazing the world- Wilson scrubbed it, Rolls Royce aero engines were the must have engine ( in 1948, the first post-war Labour government had GIVEN to RR Nenes to the USSR as a gift, which enabled the Russians to field the Mig in Korea. One could almost think they were traitors…..

    The political Right is equally techo-illiterate ( or just uncaring about the fate of The Great Unwashed and anxious to enable their backers to get even richer)- Thatcher closed the giant Ravenscraig steel mill in the 80s, and permitted the Chinese (who than had no steel industry) to come to Scotland, aset strip the plant, get the know-how and ship both off to China. The rest is very sorry history.

    Why is it that the lowly industrial worm sees decades ahead whilst the high flying PP&E grad vultures cannot see what is under them until the stink comes off the carcase of dead industries?

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    • Replies: @peterike
    Jay, great comment to a great blog post.

    The decline of manufacturing in America is directly related to the financialization of the economy, much of that driven by a certain ethnic group. When the big way to get rich for CEOs and execs started to be stocks, and stock prices were linked only to profits, then it shifted the entire corporate mindset to short-term gain, long term pain (for America). The Republican suckers bought into the whole "the only purpose of a corporation is to make profits for the shareholders!" lie -- a fiendish, Satanic lie at that -- and we were off to the races.

    Meanwhile, the Left attacked on the other end, with insane work rules, unworkable environmental rules, all kinds of relentless paperwork and "equal opportunity" nonsense, etc. etc. To say nothing of a huge propaganda campaign in the 1980s about the "demeaning" life of the factory worker (a campaign propagated by Ivy League types who of course never had to worry about such things as feeding a family), which gave the moral air cover to de-industrialization.

    This one-two combo from the Left and Right did us in. Clinton's wholesale selling of technology to the Chinese for a bucket of campaign dollars (oooh, he sold it all SO CHEAPLY, the damn redneck) didn't help either. Oh, but we've forgotten about good old Loral CEO Bernard Schwarz (** ahem **) and his $100,000 contributions to the Democratic National Committee. Clinton was not only whoring himself for pennies, but he managed to be traitorous at the same time. Really, the guy should have been put against a wall and shot decades ago, but they don't shoot elites, do they?

    PS - Good background on Clinton and China:
    http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1998/june98/psrjune98.html

    , @Rob89
    "Thatcher closed the giant Ravenscraig steel mill in the 80s, and permitted the Chinese (who than had no steel industry) to come to Scotland, aset (sic) strip the plant, get the know-how and ship both off to China. The rest is very sorry history." Unquote.

    The problem with that story is that the Ravenscraig steelworks, operated by Colvilles and from 1967 by British Steel, went belly up in 1992 and was demolished in 1996, not in the 80s. (Source Wikipedia)

    China underwent rapid economic industrialisation since Deng Xiaoping's capitalist reforms, which took place 38 years ago in 1978. 'To be rich is glorious' he pontificated.

    The Chinese steel industry gradually increased its output. China's annual crude steel output was only 100 million tons in 1996. By 2014, China's steel crude steel production was more that the steel production in the US, EU and Japan combined, an astonishing 822.7 million tons.

    From 2008 to 2010, the 3 iron ore monopolies, Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton and Vale, laughed all the way to the bank as each ton of DSO (direction shipping ores) with 65% iron content, was priced-fixed at US$150 a ton FOB.

    That nearly killed the goose that laid the Golden Eggs and China strategically trimmed down its over-capacity, sending the price of iron ores plummeting to as low as US$39 a ton in 2014/15.

    Imagine what the world would be today if China had kept the invention of the Magnetic Compass and Gunpowder as a closely-guarded National secret, eons ago?

    Without the Magnet Compass, could Columbus set sail to Cathay, only to lose his way and ending up discovering islands in the Caribbean, which led to the discovery of the Americas by Amerigo and the Spanish Conquistadors and paved the way for the plundering, looting of gold and silver and the slaughtering of the tens of millions of Natives?

    Without the Magnet Compass, could Britannia rule the waves instead of the waiving the rules in 2003 by invading Iraq, based on lies of WMD, invented by Colin Powell, under the egregious war on terror excuse by George W Bush and his pal, Tony Blair, both whom are yet to be indicted to the ICJ for war crimes?

    Without gunpowder, could the West colonize over half the world?

    Abe has trashed Article 9 of Japan’s Peace Constitution and will be exporting military hardware, as exports of consumer goods swooned of late. He tried, in vain, to sell qty 12 Soryu subs to Australia, (a competitive bid which was won by France on April 26) and if you want surprises wait till Japans roll out a 5th Generation Fighter, using a 787 composite wing and GE engine clones plus Raytheon weapons delivery systems, which will make the F35 Turkey (Russian military code-name) obsolete.

    It is probably true that China may have gleaned the industrial-scale steel-making technology from the West but, hey, the adage is that 'All's Fair in Love and War' and there is a price for everything, even technology.

  4. This would make interesting interview material or possibly a book.

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    • Replies: @woodNfish
    The author has a book on this subject. Read his bio at the end of the article.
  5. Tis is a great article but good lord, does anybody edit this stuff?

    Trump’s decision to major on American decline was always right on its merits but it will prove tactically devastating against Hillary Clinton.

    This poorly written and wrongly worded sentence should read: “Trump’s decision to focus on American decline was always right on its merits and it will prove tactically devastating against Hillary Clinton.

    I don’t correct grammar or spelling on comments, but the writers should be able to get it right. They are being paid for content, they could at least check their writing.

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    • Replies: @anonymous
    Your first, second, and fourth sentences contain errors in grammar. Your third is an example of a non sequitur.
  6. @Si1ver1ock
    This would make interesting interview material or possibly a book.

    The author has a book on this subject. Read his bio at the end of the article.

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  7. I have been saying for years that we need manufacturing to have a healthy economy. Intelligent people understand this. Traitors don’t care and will sell off our economy to line their pockets. They are not “misguided”, they are traitors and should be treated like traitors, and be prosecuted, imprisoned or executed for their crimes against the people of the US. Personally, I prefer they be executed and all their ill-gotten wealth confiscated.

    What this article does no go into that Trump has also been saying is that these countries like Japan and Korea do not let our companies compete with theirs in their home markets. They both shut out foreign autos and other goods. Trump says the global market and phoney “free trade” is rigged against us and he is telling the truth.

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  8. @Jay Igaboo
    This is a great example of how the media, pols and the executive class usually wake up to danger in the nick of too late.
    In Eamonn Fingleton's case, it shows how an insightful and connected member of the economic establishment can drag his ass behind many a base-level worker in a factory, shipyard, farm or building site.
    I'm talking about a manual worker, who, believe it or not actually possess fully-functioning brains and know how to use them.(If they don't, especially those in skilled trades and/or hazardous jobs, in many cases they are out of a job or worse, seriously injured.
    Some, again believe it or not, understand basic economics and a fair bit of what goes on in the wider world.
    Ergo, I worked with, or encountered, both here in Britain and abroad,plenty of such guys since the 60s who were fully aware of the dangers that Fingleton points out here. Not only that, but prior to our brain-washing by multi-kulti, and lacking a university liberal arts "education" they had a then-justifiable pride in their country married to a socially valuable instinctive, atavistic and generally male tribal loyalty which most of the middle class had shamed out of them( along with masculine pride, a sensible distaste for homosexuality and other social pathologies mandated by PC).
    Here just a few examples of hot the industrial worm's eye view gives a clarity of vision compared to The Establishment.
    In fairness, Fingleton probably worked much of it out much, much earlier than most MSM types.

    He writes:
    Now a further factor has emerged that plays a decisive role in the relative competitiveness of modern nations: production knowhow" ..
    'Taint nowheres new, Eamonn-- ANYONE who had wasted time producing something the hard way learns the value of production know-how real quick. Not just the guy with an aching back or skint knuckles from doing it the old way, but his employers, because if they don't, they fall behind the competition.
    He goes on:
    "Despite a declining national workforce, the Japanese auto industry has more than doubled its global output in the last 25 years."

    Same story in most car factories, indeed in most of engineering, Eamonn.
    40 years ago unions and politicians here in Britain were waxing lyrical about, to use the buzz-phrase of the time, "The White Heat of Technology".
    Surprisingly, it was a Labour government under Harold Wilson in 1964 which created the new Cabinet post of Minister for Technology, specifically to assist engineering and technology firms to embrace the future.
    Of course, being politicians who had never actually worked at anything that required technical knowledge, the made Tony Benn, the Labour's looniest Lefty in charge, a man, who, to use a common engineer's jibe, "couldn't fit a nut in a monkey's mouth"

    Aviation was added to Benn's Ministry , which made it a very powerful Ministry- all the better to f*ck up more industries, which it proceeded to do.
    Britain was front and centre in technology when Wilson came in- in short order 3 models of the decades- ahead multi-role fighter TSR-2 was up, flying and amazing the world- Wilson scrubbed it, Rolls Royce aero engines were the must have engine ( in 1948, the first post-war Labour government had GIVEN to RR Nenes to the USSR as a gift, which enabled the Russians to field the Mig in Korea. One could almost think they were traitors.....

    The political Right is equally techo-illiterate ( or just uncaring about the fate of The Great Unwashed and anxious to enable their backers to get even richer)- Thatcher closed the giant Ravenscraig steel mill in the 80s, and permitted the Chinese (who than had no steel industry) to come to Scotland, aset strip the plant, get the know-how and ship both off to China. The rest is very sorry history.

    Why is it that the lowly industrial worm sees decades ahead whilst the high flying PP&E grad vultures cannot see what is under them until the stink comes off the carcase of dead industries?

    Jay, great comment to a great blog post.

    The decline of manufacturing in America is directly related to the financialization of the economy, much of that driven by a certain ethnic group. When the big way to get rich for CEOs and execs started to be stocks, and stock prices were linked only to profits, then it shifted the entire corporate mindset to short-term gain, long term pain (for America). The Republican suckers bought into the whole “the only purpose of a corporation is to make profits for the shareholders!” lie — a fiendish, Satanic lie at that — and we were off to the races.

    Meanwhile, the Left attacked on the other end, with insane work rules, unworkable environmental rules, all kinds of relentless paperwork and “equal opportunity” nonsense, etc. etc. To say nothing of a huge propaganda campaign in the 1980s about the “demeaning” life of the factory worker (a campaign propagated by Ivy League types who of course never had to worry about such things as feeding a family), which gave the moral air cover to de-industrialization.

    This one-two combo from the Left and Right did us in. Clinton’s wholesale selling of technology to the Chinese for a bucket of campaign dollars (oooh, he sold it all SO CHEAPLY, the damn redneck) didn’t help either. Oh, but we’ve forgotten about good old Loral CEO Bernard Schwarz (** ahem **) and his $100,000 contributions to the Democratic National Committee. Clinton was not only whoring himself for pennies, but he managed to be traitorous at the same time. Really, the guy should have been put against a wall and shot decades ago, but they don’t shoot elites, do they?

    PS – Good background on Clinton and China:

    http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1998/june98/psrjune98.html

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    • Replies: @Jay Igaboo
    Thanks Peter, we're pretty much on the same page, especially with your ENTIRE first sentence.
    I'm not sure that the corporate mindset was ever about anything other than shareholder profit, especially as firms became internationalised and so huge that the owners didn't need to actually live with the community, or even the country, where their workers lived and worked. Certainly, in Britain there were manufacturers in Victorian times and later who were bonded to the town their factories were in, and who did philanthropic things for them-- I'd worked for such patriarchal firms in Britain, and the owners were also patriots.
    The money men steadily acquire these concerns ( often that certain ethnicity that feels no loyalty to the land that gave them succour and prosperity) and the money men usually only have loyalty to money and power.
    The ghastly Clintons, the Blairs, Browns, Bushes, Camerons and Obamas are all of that breed, as are the majority of the political-media class.
    The link to the Clinton connection to China was revealing ( I object to Clinton being described as a redneck though - he's just a man born in The South, with none of the fibre of rednecks before their morals were rotted by Cultural Marxism and crony "capitalism".
    Having, in a ridiculously varied working life, worked, soldiered or socialised with many rednecks I do not view the word as a pejorative.
    When on a months-long long exercise in New Brunswick with my regiment in 1970, I had 12 days leave which I took hitching around New England with a comrade. We met many decent, generous and open Yanks in the rural areas, but in Boston, and ever more so New York City in '77 I saw little to justify the image punted by Holly-York that the were a better class of human being than the rednecks I encountered later throughout the South. I found people of all races generally much more pleasant, courteous , trustworthy and helpful than their big-city northern counterparts.
    I am deeply saddened by the degeneration, which was deliberately contrived at and engineered by Cultural Marxists of the quote " ahem" Frankfurt school, that had brought my people and yours so low in only four or five decades.
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    “Let’s move on to a consideration of economic theory and its role in American industrial decline. Anglophone textbooks have traditionally identified just three key factors of production – capital, labor, and land. Now a further factor has emerged that plays a decisive role in the relative competitiveness of modern nations: production knowhow……”

    “Between the conception and the creation….falls the shadow.” T.S. Eliot

    The Paul Krugman’s of the world, diddling with their economic models, make an error analogous to Descartes’ “I think therefore I am”, in imagining that “to think it is to do it”. What could be easier?

    To those of us who wrestle with the stubborness of the three-dimensional world we move around in, any idea, however well conceived, must be nurtured through endless cycles of trial and testing until it is perfected. The skill of acquiring skill is honed by practicing skills.

    I’ve criticized these economic theorists before by pointing out that they treat their quantities as scalars when they should regard them as vectors. Recall that a vector has both magnitude and direction. An economic number then is not just an amount, but a tendency, a direction, a choice which, because it has momentum, is not easily reversed and leads irrevocably, to other consequences.

    In this case, as Eamonn Fingleton points out, loss of employee skill set, society’s education facilities and institutional know how are not trends that are reversed with the snap of one’s fingers. Retraining workers is a generational undertaking and, if Jayman is correct, the problem may have been exacerbated by our inadvertently having selected for peoples who are not genetically capable of handling precision manufacturing work.

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    @woodNfish
    Tis is a great article but good lord, does anybody edit this stuff?

    Trump’s decision to major on American decline was always right on its merits but it will prove tactically devastating against Hillary Clinton.
     
    This poorly written and wrongly worded sentence should read: "Trump’s decision to focus on American decline was always right on its merits and it will prove tactically devastating against Hillary Clinton.

    I don't correct grammar or spelling on comments, but the writers should be able to get it right. They are being paid for content, they could at least check their writing.

    Your first, second, and fourth sentences contain errors in grammar. Your third is an example of a non sequitur.

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  11. @Jay Igaboo
    This is a great example of how the media, pols and the executive class usually wake up to danger in the nick of too late.
    In Eamonn Fingleton's case, it shows how an insightful and connected member of the economic establishment can drag his ass behind many a base-level worker in a factory, shipyard, farm or building site.
    I'm talking about a manual worker, who, believe it or not actually possess fully-functioning brains and know how to use them.(If they don't, especially those in skilled trades and/or hazardous jobs, in many cases they are out of a job or worse, seriously injured.
    Some, again believe it or not, understand basic economics and a fair bit of what goes on in the wider world.
    Ergo, I worked with, or encountered, both here in Britain and abroad,plenty of such guys since the 60s who were fully aware of the dangers that Fingleton points out here. Not only that, but prior to our brain-washing by multi-kulti, and lacking a university liberal arts "education" they had a then-justifiable pride in their country married to a socially valuable instinctive, atavistic and generally male tribal loyalty which most of the middle class had shamed out of them( along with masculine pride, a sensible distaste for homosexuality and other social pathologies mandated by PC).
    Here just a few examples of hot the industrial worm's eye view gives a clarity of vision compared to The Establishment.
    In fairness, Fingleton probably worked much of it out much, much earlier than most MSM types.

    He writes:
    Now a further factor has emerged that plays a decisive role in the relative competitiveness of modern nations: production knowhow" ..
    'Taint nowheres new, Eamonn-- ANYONE who had wasted time producing something the hard way learns the value of production know-how real quick. Not just the guy with an aching back or skint knuckles from doing it the old way, but his employers, because if they don't, they fall behind the competition.
    He goes on:
    "Despite a declining national workforce, the Japanese auto industry has more than doubled its global output in the last 25 years."

    Same story in most car factories, indeed in most of engineering, Eamonn.
    40 years ago unions and politicians here in Britain were waxing lyrical about, to use the buzz-phrase of the time, "The White Heat of Technology".
    Surprisingly, it was a Labour government under Harold Wilson in 1964 which created the new Cabinet post of Minister for Technology, specifically to assist engineering and technology firms to embrace the future.
    Of course, being politicians who had never actually worked at anything that required technical knowledge, the made Tony Benn, the Labour's looniest Lefty in charge, a man, who, to use a common engineer's jibe, "couldn't fit a nut in a monkey's mouth"

    Aviation was added to Benn's Ministry , which made it a very powerful Ministry- all the better to f*ck up more industries, which it proceeded to do.
    Britain was front and centre in technology when Wilson came in- in short order 3 models of the decades- ahead multi-role fighter TSR-2 was up, flying and amazing the world- Wilson scrubbed it, Rolls Royce aero engines were the must have engine ( in 1948, the first post-war Labour government had GIVEN to RR Nenes to the USSR as a gift, which enabled the Russians to field the Mig in Korea. One could almost think they were traitors.....

    The political Right is equally techo-illiterate ( or just uncaring about the fate of The Great Unwashed and anxious to enable their backers to get even richer)- Thatcher closed the giant Ravenscraig steel mill in the 80s, and permitted the Chinese (who than had no steel industry) to come to Scotland, aset strip the plant, get the know-how and ship both off to China. The rest is very sorry history.

    Why is it that the lowly industrial worm sees decades ahead whilst the high flying PP&E grad vultures cannot see what is under them until the stink comes off the carcase of dead industries?

    “Thatcher closed the giant Ravenscraig steel mill in the 80s, and permitted the Chinese (who than had no steel industry) to come to Scotland, aset (sic) strip the plant, get the know-how and ship both off to China. The rest is very sorry history.” Unquote.

    The problem with that story is that the Ravenscraig steelworks, operated by Colvilles and from 1967 by British Steel, went belly up in 1992 and was demolished in 1996, not in the 80s. (Source Wikipedia)

    China underwent rapid economic industrialisation since Deng Xiaoping’s capitalist reforms, which took place 38 years ago in 1978. ‘To be rich is glorious’ he pontificated.

    The Chinese steel industry gradually increased its output. China’s annual crude steel output was only 100 million tons in 1996. By 2014, China’s steel crude steel production was more that the steel production in the US, EU and Japan combined, an astonishing 822.7 million tons.

    From 2008 to 2010, the 3 iron ore monopolies, Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton and Vale, laughed all the way to the bank as each ton of DSO (direction shipping ores) with 65% iron content, was priced-fixed at US$150 a ton FOB.

    That nearly killed the goose that laid the Golden Eggs and China strategically trimmed down its over-capacity, sending the price of iron ores plummeting to as low as US$39 a ton in 2014/15.

    Imagine what the world would be today if China had kept the invention of the Magnetic Compass and Gunpowder as a closely-guarded National secret, eons ago?

    Without the Magnet Compass, could Columbus set sail to Cathay, only to lose his way and ending up discovering islands in the Caribbean, which led to the discovery of the Americas by Amerigo and the Spanish Conquistadors and paved the way for the plundering, looting of gold and silver and the slaughtering of the tens of millions of Natives?

    Without the Magnet Compass, could Britannia rule the waves instead of the waiving the rules in 2003 by invading Iraq, based on lies of WMD, invented by Colin Powell, under the egregious war on terror excuse by George W Bush and his pal, Tony Blair, both whom are yet to be indicted to the ICJ for war crimes?

    Without gunpowder, could the West colonize over half the world?

    Abe has trashed Article 9 of Japan’s Peace Constitution and will be exporting military hardware, as exports of consumer goods swooned of late. He tried, in vain, to sell qty 12 Soryu subs to Australia, (a competitive bid which was won by France on April 26) and if you want surprises wait till Japans roll out a 5th Generation Fighter, using a 787 composite wing and GE engine clones plus Raytheon weapons delivery systems, which will make the F35 Turkey (Russian military code-name) obsolete.

    It is probably true that China may have gleaned the industrial-scale steel-making technology from the West but, hey, the adage is that ‘All’s Fair in Love and War’ and there is a price for everything, even technology.

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    • Replies: @Jay Igaboo
    Wiki isn't the authority for everything. I live 20 miles from Ravenscraig, and I watched the story unfold.
    I was out a by a few years possibly, as far as the dismantling is concerned, but the strip mill was closed in May, '90 and the plant put on care- and maintenance status.
    It had been marked for closure much earlier, Thatcher had it in her sights before she was even elected. She paid back her cronies within a day or two of being elected by removing the strictures on capital flowing out of Britain. Within a month, alarm bells rang for me when it was announced that Lord Carrington, who was then the Foreign Secretary and Minister for Overseas Development tootles of to Asia on a trade mission- that isn't in Wiki, but it happened, and I'd bet my boots a sleazy and doctrinaire deal was done to screw Ravenscraig by having the Chinese dismantle it.
    Cameron did the same industrial vandalism when he ordered the Nimrod Maritime Patrol Aircraft to be rendered into scrap--the traitorous SOB even ordered them all to be scrapped after screens had been put around them in a (failed) attempt to shield their destruction from the public and the media. It's painful to watch
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT3OHKn0JJw
    Both Thatcher's destruction of Ravenscraig, Cameron's scrapping of £4bn of operable Nimrods and Wilson's scrapping of TSR-2 were doctrinaire anti-British decisions. Thatcher hated the smelly unwashed proles, and wanted the "sunset industry of metal bashing " put to the sword, Cameron scrapped the Nimrods because he wanted to render our forces incapable of defending us, thus forcing us nearer to an EU armed forces, and Wilson scrapped TSR-2 because he was, IMO basically a traitor. What they all had in common was that they were all engineering illiterates.
    BTW, The Vikings "invented " the magnetic compass, they used a piece of lodestone as such.
    , @The Alarmist

    "Imagine what the world would be today if China had kept the invention of the Magnetic Compass and Gunpowder as a closely-guarded National secret, eons ago?"
     
    A lot of things like this tend to be "invented" in parallel in other parts of the world at roughly the same time. The telephone is a great example, but so was the flush toilet. The point is not lost that those two examples deal in fundamental forces common to mankind, and so it is with many other technologies.
    , @dahoit
    Totally agree.The tendency of many to critique Asian ingenuity is belied by the education level of Asians,who consistently beat American education standards.
    China has transformed itself into the worlds leading economic powerhouse,with the results to prove it.
    Check out the Pearl river delta story in the Graun from last week.
    Simply amazing.
  12. ” The British betting industry ” doesn’t rate Trump’s chances of becoming President.
    At the start of the current football season, the bookmakers rated Leicester City at 5,000-1 to win the Premier League. This they have done with several weeks to spare.
    If British bookmakers can get a core market like British Association Football so badly wrong, any prognostications on American politics must be treated with the fabled pinch of salt.
    Mr F, I know betting is ( often severely ) restricted in many American States, but surely some American bookmakers are taking bets. It would be interesting to hear of what they make of it.

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    The British betting market has consistently massively understated Trump's chances. If I were a gambling man I would have made a fortune.
  13. @anonymous
    Your first, second, and fourth sentences contain errors in grammar. Your third is an example of a non sequitur.

    FU, grammar nazi.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Yawn. That was just more brainwashed 'Nazi' stuff.

    There are the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there are the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

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    Let’s move on to a consideration of economic theory and its role in American industrial decline. Anglophone textbooks have traditionally identified just three key factors of production – capital, labor, and land.

    Economics textbooks, Anglophone or otherwise, tend to identify capital and labor as factors of production, with land subsumed into capital. Textbooks generally haven’t cited land as a separate factor of production since the early 20th century, about a century ago. The 3 factor model is from the Classical economics of the 19th century.

    What Trump is advocating is standard Keynesianism – massive fiscal stimulus via government infrastructure and military spending, cutting taxes, and reducing trade deficits in order to boost aggregate demand in the US. This is still standard economic theory in the economics taught in schools today. It’s one of the main things that’s taught in macroeconomics. And this was standard economic policy in the 80s. It wasn’t abandoned because of economic theory. It was abandoned because it works as it’s supposed to and inflates wages and goods prices relative to asset prices and is thus bad for capital.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That should be, "standard economic policy until the 80s".
  15. @peterike
    Jay, great comment to a great blog post.

    The decline of manufacturing in America is directly related to the financialization of the economy, much of that driven by a certain ethnic group. When the big way to get rich for CEOs and execs started to be stocks, and stock prices were linked only to profits, then it shifted the entire corporate mindset to short-term gain, long term pain (for America). The Republican suckers bought into the whole "the only purpose of a corporation is to make profits for the shareholders!" lie -- a fiendish, Satanic lie at that -- and we were off to the races.

    Meanwhile, the Left attacked on the other end, with insane work rules, unworkable environmental rules, all kinds of relentless paperwork and "equal opportunity" nonsense, etc. etc. To say nothing of a huge propaganda campaign in the 1980s about the "demeaning" life of the factory worker (a campaign propagated by Ivy League types who of course never had to worry about such things as feeding a family), which gave the moral air cover to de-industrialization.

    This one-two combo from the Left and Right did us in. Clinton's wholesale selling of technology to the Chinese for a bucket of campaign dollars (oooh, he sold it all SO CHEAPLY, the damn redneck) didn't help either. Oh, but we've forgotten about good old Loral CEO Bernard Schwarz (** ahem **) and his $100,000 contributions to the Democratic National Committee. Clinton was not only whoring himself for pennies, but he managed to be traitorous at the same time. Really, the guy should have been put against a wall and shot decades ago, but they don't shoot elites, do they?

    PS - Good background on Clinton and China:
    http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/1998/june98/psrjune98.html

    Thanks Peter, we’re pretty much on the same page, especially with your ENTIRE first sentence.
    I’m not sure that the corporate mindset was ever about anything other than shareholder profit, especially as firms became internationalised and so huge that the owners didn’t need to actually live with the community, or even the country, where their workers lived and worked. Certainly, in Britain there were manufacturers in Victorian times and later who were bonded to the town their factories were in, and who did philanthropic things for them– I’d worked for such patriarchal firms in Britain, and the owners were also patriots.
    The money men steadily acquire these concerns ( often that certain ethnicity that feels no loyalty to the land that gave them succour and prosperity) and the money men usually only have loyalty to money and power.
    The ghastly Clintons, the Blairs, Browns, Bushes, Camerons and Obamas are all of that breed, as are the majority of the political-media class.
    The link to the Clinton connection to China was revealing ( I object to Clinton being described as a redneck though – he’s just a man born in The South, with none of the fibre of rednecks before their morals were rotted by Cultural Marxism and crony “capitalism”.
    Having, in a ridiculously varied working life, worked, soldiered or socialised with many rednecks I do not view the word as a pejorative.
    When on a months-long long exercise in New Brunswick with my regiment in 1970, I had 12 days leave which I took hitching around New England with a comrade. We met many decent, generous and open Yanks in the rural areas, but in Boston, and ever more so New York City in ’77 I saw little to justify the image punted by Holly-York that the were a better class of human being than the rednecks I encountered later throughout the South. I found people of all races generally much more pleasant, courteous , trustworthy and helpful than their big-city northern counterparts.
    I am deeply saddened by the degeneration, which was deliberately contrived at and engineered by Cultural Marxists of the quote ” ahem” Frankfurt school, that had brought my people and yours so low in only four or five decades.

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    @Anonymous

    Let’s move on to a consideration of economic theory and its role in American industrial decline. Anglophone textbooks have traditionally identified just three key factors of production – capital, labor, and land.
     
    Economics textbooks, Anglophone or otherwise, tend to identify capital and labor as factors of production, with land subsumed into capital. Textbooks generally haven't cited land as a separate factor of production since the early 20th century, about a century ago. The 3 factor model is from the Classical economics of the 19th century.

    What Trump is advocating is standard Keynesianism - massive fiscal stimulus via government infrastructure and military spending, cutting taxes, and reducing trade deficits in order to boost aggregate demand in the US. This is still standard economic theory in the economics taught in schools today. It's one of the main things that's taught in macroeconomics. And this was standard economic policy in the 80s. It wasn't abandoned because of economic theory. It was abandoned because it works as it's supposed to and inflates wages and goods prices relative to asset prices and is thus bad for capital.

    That should be, “standard economic policy until the 80s”.

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  17. @Rob89
    "Thatcher closed the giant Ravenscraig steel mill in the 80s, and permitted the Chinese (who than had no steel industry) to come to Scotland, aset (sic) strip the plant, get the know-how and ship both off to China. The rest is very sorry history." Unquote.

    The problem with that story is that the Ravenscraig steelworks, operated by Colvilles and from 1967 by British Steel, went belly up in 1992 and was demolished in 1996, not in the 80s. (Source Wikipedia)

    China underwent rapid economic industrialisation since Deng Xiaoping's capitalist reforms, which took place 38 years ago in 1978. 'To be rich is glorious' he pontificated.

    The Chinese steel industry gradually increased its output. China's annual crude steel output was only 100 million tons in 1996. By 2014, China's steel crude steel production was more that the steel production in the US, EU and Japan combined, an astonishing 822.7 million tons.

    From 2008 to 2010, the 3 iron ore monopolies, Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton and Vale, laughed all the way to the bank as each ton of DSO (direction shipping ores) with 65% iron content, was priced-fixed at US$150 a ton FOB.

    That nearly killed the goose that laid the Golden Eggs and China strategically trimmed down its over-capacity, sending the price of iron ores plummeting to as low as US$39 a ton in 2014/15.

    Imagine what the world would be today if China had kept the invention of the Magnetic Compass and Gunpowder as a closely-guarded National secret, eons ago?

    Without the Magnet Compass, could Columbus set sail to Cathay, only to lose his way and ending up discovering islands in the Caribbean, which led to the discovery of the Americas by Amerigo and the Spanish Conquistadors and paved the way for the plundering, looting of gold and silver and the slaughtering of the tens of millions of Natives?

    Without the Magnet Compass, could Britannia rule the waves instead of the waiving the rules in 2003 by invading Iraq, based on lies of WMD, invented by Colin Powell, under the egregious war on terror excuse by George W Bush and his pal, Tony Blair, both whom are yet to be indicted to the ICJ for war crimes?

    Without gunpowder, could the West colonize over half the world?

    Abe has trashed Article 9 of Japan’s Peace Constitution and will be exporting military hardware, as exports of consumer goods swooned of late. He tried, in vain, to sell qty 12 Soryu subs to Australia, (a competitive bid which was won by France on April 26) and if you want surprises wait till Japans roll out a 5th Generation Fighter, using a 787 composite wing and GE engine clones plus Raytheon weapons delivery systems, which will make the F35 Turkey (Russian military code-name) obsolete.

    It is probably true that China may have gleaned the industrial-scale steel-making technology from the West but, hey, the adage is that 'All's Fair in Love and War' and there is a price for everything, even technology.

    Wiki isn’t the authority for everything. I live 20 miles from Ravenscraig, and I watched the story unfold.
    I was out a by a few years possibly, as far as the dismantling is concerned, but the strip mill was closed in May, ’90 and the plant put on care- and maintenance status.
    It had been marked for closure much earlier, Thatcher had it in her sights before she was even elected. She paid back her cronies within a day or two of being elected by removing the strictures on capital flowing out of Britain. Within a month, alarm bells rang for me when it was announced that Lord Carrington, who was then the Foreign Secretary and Minister for Overseas Development tootles of to Asia on a trade mission- that isn’t in Wiki, but it happened, and I’d bet my boots a sleazy and doctrinaire deal was done to screw Ravenscraig by having the Chinese dismantle it.
    Cameron did the same industrial vandalism when he ordered the Nimrod Maritime Patrol Aircraft to be rendered into scrap–the traitorous SOB even ordered them all to be scrapped after screens had been put around them in a (failed) attempt to shield their destruction from the public and the media. It’s painful to watch

    Both Thatcher’s destruction of Ravenscraig, Cameron’s scrapping of £4bn of operable Nimrods and Wilson’s scrapping of TSR-2 were doctrinaire anti-British decisions. Thatcher hated the smelly unwashed proles, and wanted the “sunset industry of metal bashing ” put to the sword, Cameron scrapped the Nimrods because he wanted to render our forces incapable of defending us, thus forcing us nearer to an EU armed forces, and Wilson scrapped TSR-2 because he was, IMO basically a traitor. What they all had in common was that they were all engineering illiterates.
    BTW, The Vikings “invented ” the magnetic compass, they used a piece of lodestone as such.

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    The facts speak for themselves. Margaret Thatcher was nudged by her inner-circle gnomes to resign in Nov 1990 but the Ravenscraig steelworks went belly up much later in 1992 and was demolished in 1996.

    After ww2, Britain was essentially insolvent and in the 1960s, British garrisons East of Suez were all closed. The writing was on the wall that wasteful projects like the TSR-2 and the Nimrods were unsustainable and had to be scrapped.

    "The TSR-2 was the victim of ever-rising costs and inter-service squabbling over Britain's future defense needs, which led to the controversial decision to scrap the programme in 1965.

    With the election of a new government, the TSR-2 was cancelled due to rising costs, in favor of purchasing an adapted version of the General Dynamics F-111, a decision that itself was later rescinded as costs and development times increased.

    The replacements included the Blackburn Buccaneer and McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II, both of which had previously been considered and rejected early in the TSR-2 procurement process. Eventually, the smaller swing-wing Panavia Tornado was developed and adopted by a European consortium to fulfill broadly similar requirements to the TSR-2." Source: Wikipedia.

    The blood-thirsty Vikings did not invent the Magnetic Compass. They used cordierite or some other crystals to determine the sun's direction on a cloudy day. It was useless at night as the sun had set. To sail the high seas at night the mariners needed a magnetic compass.

    That was why Columbus could set sail only in 1942 (using a Chinese-invented Compass), originally to seek (aka plunder) the legendary riches of Cathay (China) but lost his way in the Caribbean. The rest is a sorrowful history for the Aztec and Mayan civilizations and the death of tens of millions of Natives, slaughtered by the crazed pirates of Columbus and later the Spanish Conquistadors, who reached Central and South America, clutching the holy bible and cross in one hand and a sword in the other.

    But the Ming Dynasty Admiral Zheng He (pronounced 'Her') has already set sail in 1401 with 300 large ships (on 7 voyages) to Java, India, Persia, Saudi Arabia and East Africa to expand trade and not to conquer. Some even say that a few of his his captains also ventured to the spice islands and eventually to circumnavigate the continent of 'Australia' but the mandate from the Ming Emperor specifically banned colonization of any territory.

    Capt Cook only arrived in eastern Australia in 1770 and when he claimed he discovered Australia, there were sniggers at the British Admiralty, because they already had maps of Australia, drawn 250 years earlier by other non-British mariners, probably Chinese mariners from Admiral Zheng He's Treasure Fleet.

    And who would have thought that today China has a contract to build a £24bn nuclear power plant in Hinkly Point in the UK?
    , @The Alarmist

    "Cameron scrapped the Nimrods because he wanted to render our forces incapable of defending us, thus forcing us nearer to an EU armed forces ..."
     
    He has undoubtedly sold his soul to have a chance at the 30 pieces of silver, much like his ur-predecessor Mr. Blair.
  18. @Jay Igaboo
    Wiki isn't the authority for everything. I live 20 miles from Ravenscraig, and I watched the story unfold.
    I was out a by a few years possibly, as far as the dismantling is concerned, but the strip mill was closed in May, '90 and the plant put on care- and maintenance status.
    It had been marked for closure much earlier, Thatcher had it in her sights before she was even elected. She paid back her cronies within a day or two of being elected by removing the strictures on capital flowing out of Britain. Within a month, alarm bells rang for me when it was announced that Lord Carrington, who was then the Foreign Secretary and Minister for Overseas Development tootles of to Asia on a trade mission- that isn't in Wiki, but it happened, and I'd bet my boots a sleazy and doctrinaire deal was done to screw Ravenscraig by having the Chinese dismantle it.
    Cameron did the same industrial vandalism when he ordered the Nimrod Maritime Patrol Aircraft to be rendered into scrap--the traitorous SOB even ordered them all to be scrapped after screens had been put around them in a (failed) attempt to shield their destruction from the public and the media. It's painful to watch
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT3OHKn0JJw
    Both Thatcher's destruction of Ravenscraig, Cameron's scrapping of £4bn of operable Nimrods and Wilson's scrapping of TSR-2 were doctrinaire anti-British decisions. Thatcher hated the smelly unwashed proles, and wanted the "sunset industry of metal bashing " put to the sword, Cameron scrapped the Nimrods because he wanted to render our forces incapable of defending us, thus forcing us nearer to an EU armed forces, and Wilson scrapped TSR-2 because he was, IMO basically a traitor. What they all had in common was that they were all engineering illiterates.
    BTW, The Vikings "invented " the magnetic compass, they used a piece of lodestone as such.

    The facts speak for themselves. Margaret Thatcher was nudged by her inner-circle gnomes to resign in Nov 1990 but the Ravenscraig steelworks went belly up much later in 1992 and was demolished in 1996.

    After ww2, Britain was essentially insolvent and in the 1960s, British garrisons East of Suez were all closed. The writing was on the wall that wasteful projects like the TSR-2 and the Nimrods were unsustainable and had to be scrapped.

    “The TSR-2 was the victim of ever-rising costs and inter-service squabbling over Britain’s future defense needs, which led to the controversial decision to scrap the programme in 1965.

    With the election of a new government, the TSR-2 was cancelled due to rising costs, in favor of purchasing an adapted version of the General Dynamics F-111, a decision that itself was later rescinded as costs and development times increased.

    The replacements included the Blackburn Buccaneer and McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II, both of which had previously been considered and rejected early in the TSR-2 procurement process. Eventually, the smaller swing-wing Panavia Tornado was developed and adopted by a European consortium to fulfill broadly similar requirements to the TSR-2.” Source: Wikipedia.

    The blood-thirsty Vikings did not invent the Magnetic Compass. They used cordierite or some other crystals to determine the sun’s direction on a cloudy day. It was useless at night as the sun had set. To sail the high seas at night the mariners needed a magnetic compass.

    That was why Columbus could set sail only in 1942 (using a Chinese-invented Compass), originally to seek (aka plunder) the legendary riches of Cathay (China) but lost his way in the Caribbean. The rest is a sorrowful history for the Aztec and Mayan civilizations and the death of tens of millions of Natives, slaughtered by the crazed pirates of Columbus and later the Spanish Conquistadors, who reached Central and South America, clutching the holy bible and cross in one hand and a sword in the other.

    But the Ming Dynasty Admiral Zheng He (pronounced ‘Her’) has already set sail in 1401 with 300 large ships (on 7 voyages) to Java, India, Persia, Saudi Arabia and East Africa to expand trade and not to conquer. Some even say that a few of his his captains also ventured to the spice islands and eventually to circumnavigate the continent of ‘Australia’ but the mandate from the Ming Emperor specifically banned colonization of any territory.

    Capt Cook only arrived in eastern Australia in 1770 and when he claimed he discovered Australia, there were sniggers at the British Admiralty, because they already had maps of Australia, drawn 250 years earlier by other non-British mariners, probably Chinese mariners from Admiral Zheng He’s Treasure Fleet.

    And who would have thought that today China has a contract to build a £24bn nuclear power plant in Hinkly Point in the UK?

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    • Replies: @Jay Igaboo
    Demolition isn't the same as dismantling very large plant, the strip mill went in 92 but quibbling over the exact date doesn't detract from my point that it was Thatcher's doing to close it or render it vulnerable to closure-- something she was aiden in by a lacklustre management and overly-powerful unions.
    The b/tch hated the proles, and manufacturing, particularly heavy engineering, believing that "UK PLC" to use the disgusting Tory description of a nation of people, would prosper without them. Service industries and money shuffling by City spivs were much more important to her, causing former Tory PM Harold McMillan to lament this, with his well- publicised statement that our nation "could not survive by taking in other people's washing
    As stated, the Vikings used lodestone, which is a naturally magnetic form of lodestone, as explained by my science teacher 50 pre-Wiki years ago.
    Interesting and informative posts, though, thanks. We probably agree on more than we disagree with.
    Anyhoo, the sun, thank God, is starting to make a rare visit to Scotland, I'm off out for a cycle. less biting gales and freezing rain- we has bloody SNOW a few days ago!
    , @Bill Jones
    "“The TSR-2 was the victim of ever-rising costs and inter-service squabbling over Britain’s future defense needs, which led to the controversial decision to scrap the programme in 1965. "

    The last time I looked, it's been centuries since the UK was involved in "defense".

    When was the last war in which it not the aggressor?
    , @woodNfish

    The rest is a sorrowful history for the Aztec and Mayan civilizations and the death of tens of millions of Natives, slaughtered by the crazed pirates of Columbus and later the Spanish Conquistadors, who reached Central and South America, clutching the holy bible and cross in one hand and a sword in the other.
     
    Oh stop your whining and your navel-gazing moral relativity. All civilizations have used war and domination to increase their borders and wealth at the expense of some unlucky party and it still goes on today. Europeans were no different.

    Other than that, you make good points.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    The earliest maps showing what we know now to be (roughly/part of) Australia are from about 1540 and are Portuguese. There were no proper maps of New Zealand or the east coast of Australia until Cook I am pretty sure. And that is significant because the east coast had the means to support 18th century Europeans whereas the west that the Dutch (after the Portuguese) kept on running into was - until the 20th century - only good for the kind of drama that resulted from the Batavia running irretrievably into WA about 1627. Not that Cook needed that to prove himself one of the great navigators and maritime explorers.
  19. Isn’t the stepping up of the Keystone to transport crude south for export and the re-opening of the coal mines for overseas sales of clean coal at least an attempt at bettering our trade imbalances? Trump talks of coal-to-fuel and oil/synfuels as another use of our coal and from there, conversion to asphalt, plastics and industrial solvents. It seems insane to block coal, a “fossil” fuel that has so many more uses than the burning of the raw coal for steam/electricity.

    Exploiting our own energy and resources necessary to manufacturing seems to me Job One. From there, we get to a necessary unburdening. That is where we hand off the Middle East to the Chinese, the South Koreans and Japanese as we, the United States are at that point where we don’t need that oil, the Asians need it, it is now their responsibility to buy, manage and corrupt on their own, the Middle East oil cartels. Is this not where Trump’s policies lead us on energy and the unburdening of our military responsibilities onto the shoulders of those who benefit?

    Is that not the very essence of America First? Imagine that! A coalition of China, Japan, Korea, Aussies and Malaysians, India and Pakistan and Singapore, all contributing their own human resources toward the protection of THEIR Middle East oil from the Saudis, all around the Persian Gulf rim. And the U.S., free to depart, at last. As a result of developing our own oil, we can leave it all to them. They can defend it, buy it, sell it, steal it, whatever, WE, the U.S. are done with it all. Is there not beauty in that? As an America First proponent, I say we develop our own, leave the trouble to the new coalition.

    One last thing is the rebuilding of the industrial/manufacturing brain trust. I suspect if we got serious about energy and resources and manufacturing, we’ll both import and home-grow our human resources as regards reopening manufacturing in the U.S.. Part of that however is my hope that Trump will bring sanity to the burgeoning student-loan crisis caused by the “everyone goes to college no matter what” nonsense. All that is, for at least 50% or more of these kids is merely an extension of adolescence at enormous and pointless cost. SOMEONE has got to get ruthless about the disaster that is “Higher” Education. If you don’t pack the intellectual gear, aptitude and IQ necessary to the STEM agenda, you go on your Mama’s dime, not the college loan dime.

    Not everyone is college material, but regardless, if you don’t have cash (parents or whatever), you should NOT getting college loans or Pell Grants for ANY course of study that isn’t directly contributory to the America First agenda, that is, STEM, Engineering, Medicine, Physics, Sciences, Robotics, Civil and Chemical and Petro disciplines. No more financing the social sciences, Af/Am, Women’s, Sexual studies, the Social Justice Agenda, all those need to be thrown overboard, they are worthless degrees. Again, no more printing degrees to morons on the public dime. We’ve had enough of that. As for Law, well, the lawyers will make sure their children get in, no more loans for Law School either.

    Are my assumptions (pleadings) nonsensical? Am I merely on a fantasy LSD kick here? Or is this the root and underlying purpose of America First that Trump espouses?

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    You, like Eamonn Fingleton, are ignoring geopolitics:

    http://articles.mcall.com/1990-09-26/news/2751377_1_oil-companies-gulf-oil-reserves-gulf-policy

    In the 1940s the State Department described the Arabian peninsula as "a stupendous source of strategic power, one of the greatest material prizes in world history." Since then, the invariant core of U.S. policy has been to block the emergence of any truly independent local forces from gaining control over the gulf oil reserves. These reserves are "ours" and must remain under the control of the client regimes and U.S. oil companies -- at any cost.

    The economic gains which accompany Wall Street's oil control can be listed as follows: First, U.S. planners have always believed that oil control enhances leverage over major capitalist rivals, especially Germany and Japan. For example, in 1949, George Kennan (State Department Policy Planning) argued that controlling Japanese oil imports would give Washington "veto power" over Japanese economic policies. Today, maintaining that leverage over super-rich Japan and Germany (and the European Community), both oil dependent, remains a key U.S. objective. It's not surprising that Germany and Japan have responded tepidly to U.S. policy and must be bullied into making financial contributions.
     
  20. Interesting, is that the same Richard Armitage who revealed Valeria Plame as a CIA employee but Scooter Libbey went to prison over?

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  21. @Rob89
    The facts speak for themselves. Margaret Thatcher was nudged by her inner-circle gnomes to resign in Nov 1990 but the Ravenscraig steelworks went belly up much later in 1992 and was demolished in 1996.

    After ww2, Britain was essentially insolvent and in the 1960s, British garrisons East of Suez were all closed. The writing was on the wall that wasteful projects like the TSR-2 and the Nimrods were unsustainable and had to be scrapped.

    "The TSR-2 was the victim of ever-rising costs and inter-service squabbling over Britain's future defense needs, which led to the controversial decision to scrap the programme in 1965.

    With the election of a new government, the TSR-2 was cancelled due to rising costs, in favor of purchasing an adapted version of the General Dynamics F-111, a decision that itself was later rescinded as costs and development times increased.

    The replacements included the Blackburn Buccaneer and McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II, both of which had previously been considered and rejected early in the TSR-2 procurement process. Eventually, the smaller swing-wing Panavia Tornado was developed and adopted by a European consortium to fulfill broadly similar requirements to the TSR-2." Source: Wikipedia.

    The blood-thirsty Vikings did not invent the Magnetic Compass. They used cordierite or some other crystals to determine the sun's direction on a cloudy day. It was useless at night as the sun had set. To sail the high seas at night the mariners needed a magnetic compass.

    That was why Columbus could set sail only in 1942 (using a Chinese-invented Compass), originally to seek (aka plunder) the legendary riches of Cathay (China) but lost his way in the Caribbean. The rest is a sorrowful history for the Aztec and Mayan civilizations and the death of tens of millions of Natives, slaughtered by the crazed pirates of Columbus and later the Spanish Conquistadors, who reached Central and South America, clutching the holy bible and cross in one hand and a sword in the other.

    But the Ming Dynasty Admiral Zheng He (pronounced 'Her') has already set sail in 1401 with 300 large ships (on 7 voyages) to Java, India, Persia, Saudi Arabia and East Africa to expand trade and not to conquer. Some even say that a few of his his captains also ventured to the spice islands and eventually to circumnavigate the continent of 'Australia' but the mandate from the Ming Emperor specifically banned colonization of any territory.

    Capt Cook only arrived in eastern Australia in 1770 and when he claimed he discovered Australia, there were sniggers at the British Admiralty, because they already had maps of Australia, drawn 250 years earlier by other non-British mariners, probably Chinese mariners from Admiral Zheng He's Treasure Fleet.

    And who would have thought that today China has a contract to build a £24bn nuclear power plant in Hinkly Point in the UK?

    Demolition isn’t the same as dismantling very large plant, the strip mill went in 92 but quibbling over the exact date doesn’t detract from my point that it was Thatcher’s doing to close it or render it vulnerable to closure– something she was aiden in by a lacklustre management and overly-powerful unions.
    The b/tch hated the proles, and manufacturing, particularly heavy engineering, believing that “UK PLC” to use the disgusting Tory description of a nation of people, would prosper without them. Service industries and money shuffling by City spivs were much more important to her, causing former Tory PM Harold McMillan to lament this, with his well- publicised statement that our nation “could not survive by taking in other people’s washing
    As stated, the Vikings used lodestone, which is a naturally magnetic form of lodestone, as explained by my science teacher 50 pre-Wiki years ago.
    Interesting and informative posts, though, thanks. We probably agree on more than we disagree with.
    Anyhoo, the sun, thank God, is starting to make a rare visit to Scotland, I’m off out for a cycle. less biting gales and freezing rain- we has bloody SNOW a few days ago!

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    This report was from the Guardian and it distinctly mentioned 'demolition'.

    "For (Tommy) Brennan, the cathartic moment was seeing the huge cooling towers blown up in 1996. "For two and a half years, nothing was done to the plant because British Steel was trying to sell it en bloc to south-east Asia. (not China). (Brackets mine.)

    It has taken four years to complete the demolition and decontaminate the site.
    Brennan spent half a lifetime fighting for Ravenscraig; now he is glad to see it gone.

    "Lanarkshire is a healthier place now in every way," he says. "You can see the green in the parks; when the plant was going, the fields were all orange-coloured with dust. Our biggest problem in the late 80s and early 90s was that we had all our eggs in one basket. We were totally dependent on heavy industry. Now it's different: we have biotechnology, electronics, engineering, plastics; you name it, it's all here in Lanarkshire. The unemployment rate was 11.5% in Motherwell in 1991; today it is less than 6%."

    http://www.theguardian.com/g2/story/0,3604,438063,00.html

    And it was not Margaret Thatcher who decided Ravenscraig's fate in 1992. She had already resigned in Nov 1990. It was the end of the ship-building era for Britannia, which once ruled the waves, which finally sank Ravenscraig.

    A lodestone is a magnetite and it is opaque. The Vikings used a cordierite or some other crystals to determine the sun’s direction on a cloudy day.

    I agree that we 'probably agree on more than we disagree with'. Good luck to you and to Scotland in the next referendum.

  22. @Rob89
    "Thatcher closed the giant Ravenscraig steel mill in the 80s, and permitted the Chinese (who than had no steel industry) to come to Scotland, aset (sic) strip the plant, get the know-how and ship both off to China. The rest is very sorry history." Unquote.

    The problem with that story is that the Ravenscraig steelworks, operated by Colvilles and from 1967 by British Steel, went belly up in 1992 and was demolished in 1996, not in the 80s. (Source Wikipedia)

    China underwent rapid economic industrialisation since Deng Xiaoping's capitalist reforms, which took place 38 years ago in 1978. 'To be rich is glorious' he pontificated.

    The Chinese steel industry gradually increased its output. China's annual crude steel output was only 100 million tons in 1996. By 2014, China's steel crude steel production was more that the steel production in the US, EU and Japan combined, an astonishing 822.7 million tons.

    From 2008 to 2010, the 3 iron ore monopolies, Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton and Vale, laughed all the way to the bank as each ton of DSO (direction shipping ores) with 65% iron content, was priced-fixed at US$150 a ton FOB.

    That nearly killed the goose that laid the Golden Eggs and China strategically trimmed down its over-capacity, sending the price of iron ores plummeting to as low as US$39 a ton in 2014/15.

    Imagine what the world would be today if China had kept the invention of the Magnetic Compass and Gunpowder as a closely-guarded National secret, eons ago?

    Without the Magnet Compass, could Columbus set sail to Cathay, only to lose his way and ending up discovering islands in the Caribbean, which led to the discovery of the Americas by Amerigo and the Spanish Conquistadors and paved the way for the plundering, looting of gold and silver and the slaughtering of the tens of millions of Natives?

    Without the Magnet Compass, could Britannia rule the waves instead of the waiving the rules in 2003 by invading Iraq, based on lies of WMD, invented by Colin Powell, under the egregious war on terror excuse by George W Bush and his pal, Tony Blair, both whom are yet to be indicted to the ICJ for war crimes?

    Without gunpowder, could the West colonize over half the world?

    Abe has trashed Article 9 of Japan’s Peace Constitution and will be exporting military hardware, as exports of consumer goods swooned of late. He tried, in vain, to sell qty 12 Soryu subs to Australia, (a competitive bid which was won by France on April 26) and if you want surprises wait till Japans roll out a 5th Generation Fighter, using a 787 composite wing and GE engine clones plus Raytheon weapons delivery systems, which will make the F35 Turkey (Russian military code-name) obsolete.

    It is probably true that China may have gleaned the industrial-scale steel-making technology from the West but, hey, the adage is that 'All's Fair in Love and War' and there is a price for everything, even technology.

    “Imagine what the world would be today if China had kept the invention of the Magnetic Compass and Gunpowder as a closely-guarded National secret, eons ago?”

    A lot of things like this tend to be “invented” in parallel in other parts of the world at roughly the same time. The telephone is a great example, but so was the flush toilet. The point is not lost that those two examples deal in fundamental forces common to mankind, and so it is with many other technologies.

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    I agree that while the magnetic compass could well be 'invented' in other parts of the world where there were lodestones (aka magnetite) but gunpowder was a different kettle of fish, as it involves a precise mixture of three elements, which make it so combustible and lethal. The Chinese used it benignly for fireworks to celebrate an auspicious occasion.

    The West took the Chinese invention further and used it to manufacture guns and cannons, which enabled it to invade, conquer, colonize, plunder and loot so many colonies in the past.

    As karma would have it, the past egregious conquerors such as ancient Rome, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Mongolia and Britain are now mere shadows, where once a great empire stood.

    Winston Churchill even boasted that the British Empire would last a thousand years, like the Third Reich would, Hitler insisted, but he too was wrong.

  23. @Jay Igaboo
    Wiki isn't the authority for everything. I live 20 miles from Ravenscraig, and I watched the story unfold.
    I was out a by a few years possibly, as far as the dismantling is concerned, but the strip mill was closed in May, '90 and the plant put on care- and maintenance status.
    It had been marked for closure much earlier, Thatcher had it in her sights before she was even elected. She paid back her cronies within a day or two of being elected by removing the strictures on capital flowing out of Britain. Within a month, alarm bells rang for me when it was announced that Lord Carrington, who was then the Foreign Secretary and Minister for Overseas Development tootles of to Asia on a trade mission- that isn't in Wiki, but it happened, and I'd bet my boots a sleazy and doctrinaire deal was done to screw Ravenscraig by having the Chinese dismantle it.
    Cameron did the same industrial vandalism when he ordered the Nimrod Maritime Patrol Aircraft to be rendered into scrap--the traitorous SOB even ordered them all to be scrapped after screens had been put around them in a (failed) attempt to shield their destruction from the public and the media. It's painful to watch
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT3OHKn0JJw
    Both Thatcher's destruction of Ravenscraig, Cameron's scrapping of £4bn of operable Nimrods and Wilson's scrapping of TSR-2 were doctrinaire anti-British decisions. Thatcher hated the smelly unwashed proles, and wanted the "sunset industry of metal bashing " put to the sword, Cameron scrapped the Nimrods because he wanted to render our forces incapable of defending us, thus forcing us nearer to an EU armed forces, and Wilson scrapped TSR-2 because he was, IMO basically a traitor. What they all had in common was that they were all engineering illiterates.
    BTW, The Vikings "invented " the magnetic compass, they used a piece of lodestone as such.

    “Cameron scrapped the Nimrods because he wanted to render our forces incapable of defending us, thus forcing us nearer to an EU armed forces …”

    He has undoubtedly sold his soul to have a chance at the 30 pieces of silver, much like his ur-predecessor Mr. Blair.

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    Yup, a pair of unprincipled, amoral traitorous scumbags.
  24. @Rob89
    The facts speak for themselves. Margaret Thatcher was nudged by her inner-circle gnomes to resign in Nov 1990 but the Ravenscraig steelworks went belly up much later in 1992 and was demolished in 1996.

    After ww2, Britain was essentially insolvent and in the 1960s, British garrisons East of Suez were all closed. The writing was on the wall that wasteful projects like the TSR-2 and the Nimrods were unsustainable and had to be scrapped.

    "The TSR-2 was the victim of ever-rising costs and inter-service squabbling over Britain's future defense needs, which led to the controversial decision to scrap the programme in 1965.

    With the election of a new government, the TSR-2 was cancelled due to rising costs, in favor of purchasing an adapted version of the General Dynamics F-111, a decision that itself was later rescinded as costs and development times increased.

    The replacements included the Blackburn Buccaneer and McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II, both of which had previously been considered and rejected early in the TSR-2 procurement process. Eventually, the smaller swing-wing Panavia Tornado was developed and adopted by a European consortium to fulfill broadly similar requirements to the TSR-2." Source: Wikipedia.

    The blood-thirsty Vikings did not invent the Magnetic Compass. They used cordierite or some other crystals to determine the sun's direction on a cloudy day. It was useless at night as the sun had set. To sail the high seas at night the mariners needed a magnetic compass.

    That was why Columbus could set sail only in 1942 (using a Chinese-invented Compass), originally to seek (aka plunder) the legendary riches of Cathay (China) but lost his way in the Caribbean. The rest is a sorrowful history for the Aztec and Mayan civilizations and the death of tens of millions of Natives, slaughtered by the crazed pirates of Columbus and later the Spanish Conquistadors, who reached Central and South America, clutching the holy bible and cross in one hand and a sword in the other.

    But the Ming Dynasty Admiral Zheng He (pronounced 'Her') has already set sail in 1401 with 300 large ships (on 7 voyages) to Java, India, Persia, Saudi Arabia and East Africa to expand trade and not to conquer. Some even say that a few of his his captains also ventured to the spice islands and eventually to circumnavigate the continent of 'Australia' but the mandate from the Ming Emperor specifically banned colonization of any territory.

    Capt Cook only arrived in eastern Australia in 1770 and when he claimed he discovered Australia, there were sniggers at the British Admiralty, because they already had maps of Australia, drawn 250 years earlier by other non-British mariners, probably Chinese mariners from Admiral Zheng He's Treasure Fleet.

    And who would have thought that today China has a contract to build a £24bn nuclear power plant in Hinkly Point in the UK?

    ““The TSR-2 was the victim of ever-rising costs and inter-service squabbling over Britain’s future defense needs, which led to the controversial decision to scrap the programme in 1965. ”

    The last time I looked, it’s been centuries since the UK was involved in “defense”.

    When was the last war in which it not the aggressor?

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    "When was the last war in which it not the aggressor?"

    I guess you could say it was the Pacific War, which was started by the Japanese after the invasion of Korea 1904, Manchuria 1931, China 1937, and finally the sneak bombing of Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941 and the invasion of South East Asia and the Pacific islands.

    Britain was caught with her knickers down when the Japanese invaded Malaya and Singapore, both were colonies of the Brits, after the wily Japanese sank the HMS Repulse and Prince of Wales in the sea off East Malaya, which ominously sealed the fate of the British Empire.

    Over 70,000 British troops were taken prisoners by the advancing Japanese troops without putting up a great fight, as Churchill was prepared to sacrifice the colonies in Malaya and Singapore to defend good old England against the onslaught from Adolf Hitler's Third Reich.

    After ww2 former British colonies like India, Ceylon, Burma, Malaya, Brunei and Singapore had their independence and in mid 1960s, Britain withdrew all the garrisons East of Suez.

    Hong Kong was a different story. The island was ceded to Britain in perpetuity after the Opium Wars by the Qing warlords (who themselves were invaders of China) but since the island had no water, the Brits negotiated and leased the New Territories for 99 years.

    China honored the treaty but refused to renew the 99 year lease, which ended on 30 June 1997, despite Margaret Thatcher making a big fuss in Beijing.

    But Deng Xiaoping (To be rich is glorious) steadfastly refused to renew the lease of the New territory, though China would honor the treaty and allow Britain to keep Hong Island in perpetuity, as ceded.

    Thatcher knew the game was over as without water and the hinterland, Hong Kong island was just a hopeless British garrison and she opted to return Hong Kong island to China, in return for 50 years of capitalism (one country, two system), which ends in 2047.

    On July 1st, 1997, the Union Jack was lowered for the last time, while the Chinese Red Flag was raised and unfurled into the wind. Prince Charles (the chinless wonder) and Chris Patten, the last Governor, left Hong Kong with stiff upper lips and sailed home, empty handed.
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    @Jim Christian
    Isn't the stepping up of the Keystone to transport crude south for export and the re-opening of the coal mines for overseas sales of clean coal at least an attempt at bettering our trade imbalances? Trump talks of coal-to-fuel and oil/synfuels as another use of our coal and from there, conversion to asphalt, plastics and industrial solvents. It seems insane to block coal, a "fossil" fuel that has so many more uses than the burning of the raw coal for steam/electricity.

    Exploiting our own energy and resources necessary to manufacturing seems to me Job One. From there, we get to a necessary unburdening. That is where we hand off the Middle East to the Chinese, the South Koreans and Japanese as we, the United States are at that point where we don't need that oil, the Asians need it, it is now their responsibility to buy, manage and corrupt on their own, the Middle East oil cartels. Is this not where Trump's policies lead us on energy and the unburdening of our military responsibilities onto the shoulders of those who benefit?

    Is that not the very essence of America First? Imagine that! A coalition of China, Japan, Korea, Aussies and Malaysians, India and Pakistan and Singapore, all contributing their own human resources toward the protection of THEIR Middle East oil from the Saudis, all around the Persian Gulf rim. And the U.S., free to depart, at last. As a result of developing our own oil, we can leave it all to them. They can defend it, buy it, sell it, steal it, whatever, WE, the U.S. are done with it all. Is there not beauty in that? As an America First proponent, I say we develop our own, leave the trouble to the new coalition.

    One last thing is the rebuilding of the industrial/manufacturing brain trust. I suspect if we got serious about energy and resources and manufacturing, we'll both import and home-grow our human resources as regards reopening manufacturing in the U.S.. Part of that however is my hope that Trump will bring sanity to the burgeoning student-loan crisis caused by the "everyone goes to college no matter what" nonsense. All that is, for at least 50% or more of these kids is merely an extension of adolescence at enormous and pointless cost. SOMEONE has got to get ruthless about the disaster that is "Higher" Education. If you don't pack the intellectual gear, aptitude and IQ necessary to the STEM agenda, you go on your Mama's dime, not the college loan dime.

    Not everyone is college material, but regardless, if you don't have cash (parents or whatever), you should NOT getting college loans or Pell Grants for ANY course of study that isn't directly contributory to the America First agenda, that is, STEM, Engineering, Medicine, Physics, Sciences, Robotics, Civil and Chemical and Petro disciplines. No more financing the social sciences, Af/Am, Women's, Sexual studies, the Social Justice Agenda, all those need to be thrown overboard, they are worthless degrees. Again, no more printing degrees to morons on the public dime. We've had enough of that. As for Law, well, the lawyers will make sure their children get in, no more loans for Law School either.

    Are my assumptions (pleadings) nonsensical? Am I merely on a fantasy LSD kick here? Or is this the root and underlying purpose of America First that Trump espouses?

    You, like Eamonn Fingleton, are ignoring geopolitics:

    http://articles.mcall.com/1990-09-26/news/2751377_1_oil-companies-gulf-oil-reserves-gulf-policy

    In the 1940s the State Department described the Arabian peninsula as “a stupendous source of strategic power, one of the greatest material prizes in world history.” Since then, the invariant core of U.S. policy has been to block the emergence of any truly independent local forces from gaining control over the gulf oil reserves. These reserves are “ours” and must remain under the control of the client regimes and U.S. oil companies — at any cost.

    The economic gains which accompany Wall Street’s oil control can be listed as follows: First, U.S. planners have always believed that oil control enhances leverage over major capitalist rivals, especially Germany and Japan. For example, in 1949, George Kennan (State Department Policy Planning) argued that controlling Japanese oil imports would give Washington “veto power” over Japanese economic policies. Today, maintaining that leverage over super-rich Japan and Germany (and the European Community), both oil dependent, remains a key U.S. objective. It’s not surprising that Germany and Japan have responded tepidly to U.S. policy and must be bullied into making financial contributions.

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    And that was THEN. Already in the 40s and 50s they saw the end/dwindling of oil resources as could be recovered at the time. And so we secured the Middle East for ourselves. The Middle East is too expensive today however, our population and tax base do not support that expense and in any case, WE do not need it anymore. At the end of the day, China needs it, India, Paki-Whacki, the folks with a stout population (and far less tolerance for the nuttiness that is Islam, not to mention property rights of the weak) and so let them defend it, if they dare.

    There is no further benefit to our presence in the Middle East. The geopolitical un-realities you mention don't make sense on any economic level. Besides, a contract is a contract, Shell and Exxon can fill contracts with whomever, no money lost. China "building" nuclear plants is a joke. GE&Company will be up to their hand-sewn collars in that endeavor..
  26. @Jay Igaboo
    Demolition isn't the same as dismantling very large plant, the strip mill went in 92 but quibbling over the exact date doesn't detract from my point that it was Thatcher's doing to close it or render it vulnerable to closure-- something she was aiden in by a lacklustre management and overly-powerful unions.
    The b/tch hated the proles, and manufacturing, particularly heavy engineering, believing that "UK PLC" to use the disgusting Tory description of a nation of people, would prosper without them. Service industries and money shuffling by City spivs were much more important to her, causing former Tory PM Harold McMillan to lament this, with his well- publicised statement that our nation "could not survive by taking in other people's washing
    As stated, the Vikings used lodestone, which is a naturally magnetic form of lodestone, as explained by my science teacher 50 pre-Wiki years ago.
    Interesting and informative posts, though, thanks. We probably agree on more than we disagree with.
    Anyhoo, the sun, thank God, is starting to make a rare visit to Scotland, I'm off out for a cycle. less biting gales and freezing rain- we has bloody SNOW a few days ago!

    This report was from the Guardian and it distinctly mentioned ‘demolition’.

    “For (Tommy) Brennan, the cathartic moment was seeing the huge cooling towers blown up in 1996. “For two and a half years, nothing was done to the plant because British Steel was trying to sell it en bloc to south-east Asia. (not China). (Brackets mine.)

    It has taken four years to complete the demolition and decontaminate the site.
    Brennan spent half a lifetime fighting for Ravenscraig; now he is glad to see it gone.

    “Lanarkshire is a healthier place now in every way,” he says. “You can see the green in the parks; when the plant was going, the fields were all orange-coloured with dust. Our biggest problem in the late 80s and early 90s was that we had all our eggs in one basket. We were totally dependent on heavy industry. Now it’s different: we have biotechnology, electronics, engineering, plastics; you name it, it’s all here in Lanarkshire. The unemployment rate was 11.5% in Motherwell in 1991; today it is less than 6%.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/g2/story/0,3604,438063,00.html

    And it was not Margaret Thatcher who decided Ravenscraig’s fate in 1992. She had already resigned in Nov 1990. It was the end of the ship-building era for Britannia, which once ruled the waves, which finally sank Ravenscraig.

    A lodestone is a magnetite and it is opaque. The Vikings used a cordierite or some other crystals to determine the sun’s direction on a cloudy day.

    I agree that we ‘probably agree on more than we disagree with’. Good luck to you and to Scotland in the next referendum.

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  27. @The Alarmist

    "Imagine what the world would be today if China had kept the invention of the Magnetic Compass and Gunpowder as a closely-guarded National secret, eons ago?"
     
    A lot of things like this tend to be "invented" in parallel in other parts of the world at roughly the same time. The telephone is a great example, but so was the flush toilet. The point is not lost that those two examples deal in fundamental forces common to mankind, and so it is with many other technologies.

    I agree that while the magnetic compass could well be ‘invented’ in other parts of the world where there were lodestones (aka magnetite) but gunpowder was a different kettle of fish, as it involves a precise mixture of three elements, which make it so combustible and lethal. The Chinese used it benignly for fireworks to celebrate an auspicious occasion.

    The West took the Chinese invention further and used it to manufacture guns and cannons, which enabled it to invade, conquer, colonize, plunder and loot so many colonies in the past.

    As karma would have it, the past egregious conquerors such as ancient Rome, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Mongolia and Britain are now mere shadows, where once a great empire stood.

    Winston Churchill even boasted that the British Empire would last a thousand years, like the Third Reich would, Hitler insisted, but he too was wrong.

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  28. @Bill Jones
    "“The TSR-2 was the victim of ever-rising costs and inter-service squabbling over Britain’s future defense needs, which led to the controversial decision to scrap the programme in 1965. "

    The last time I looked, it's been centuries since the UK was involved in "defense".

    When was the last war in which it not the aggressor?

    “When was the last war in which it not the aggressor?”

    I guess you could say it was the Pacific War, which was started by the Japanese after the invasion of Korea 1904, Manchuria 1931, China 1937, and finally the sneak bombing of Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941 and the invasion of South East Asia and the Pacific islands.

    Britain was caught with her knickers down when the Japanese invaded Malaya and Singapore, both were colonies of the Brits, after the wily Japanese sank the HMS Repulse and Prince of Wales in the sea off East Malaya, which ominously sealed the fate of the British Empire.

    Over 70,000 British troops were taken prisoners by the advancing Japanese troops without putting up a great fight, as Churchill was prepared to sacrifice the colonies in Malaya and Singapore to defend good old England against the onslaught from Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich.

    After ww2 former British colonies like India, Ceylon, Burma, Malaya, Brunei and Singapore had their independence and in mid 1960s, Britain withdrew all the garrisons East of Suez.

    Hong Kong was a different story. The island was ceded to Britain in perpetuity after the Opium Wars by the Qing warlords (who themselves were invaders of China) but since the island had no water, the Brits negotiated and leased the New Territories for 99 years.

    China honored the treaty but refused to renew the 99 year lease, which ended on 30 June 1997, despite Margaret Thatcher making a big fuss in Beijing.

    But Deng Xiaoping (To be rich is glorious) steadfastly refused to renew the lease of the New territory, though China would honor the treaty and allow Britain to keep Hong Island in perpetuity, as ceded.

    Thatcher knew the game was over as without water and the hinterland, Hong Kong island was just a hopeless British garrison and she opted to return Hong Kong island to China, in return for 50 years of capitalism (one country, two system), which ends in 2047.

    On July 1st, 1997, the Union Jack was lowered for the last time, while the Chinese Red Flag was raised and unfurled into the wind. Prince Charles (the chinless wonder) and Chris Patten, the last Governor, left Hong Kong with stiff upper lips and sailed home, empty handed.

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    Thatcher, the doyen of the British Right, made an absolute balls of the negotiations with the PRC about extending the lease. One really has to wonder about the quality (or lack thereof) of the politicos and civil service types around her.
    Hong Kong worked well-- worked well for Britain, worked well for the PRC as they could, and had, sold lots of stuff and cut many deals through HK even during Mao's mad Cultural Revoltion and other Commie insanities. It also worked really well for Hong Kongers who were (and still are) very pro-British.
    The only interregnum to British rule had been the Shinto- brainwashed Nips, which gave them an insight into the benign nature of British colonialism lacking in other parts of the Empire.
    And they certainly didn't want The Red Dragon in the driving seat.
    The PRC were gung-ho for a renegotiated deal, but Thatcher let her ego and her Iron Lady image rule her, with the predictable disastrous results consequent to giving Orientals no way to save the all-important "face".
  29. @The Alarmist

    "Cameron scrapped the Nimrods because he wanted to render our forces incapable of defending us, thus forcing us nearer to an EU armed forces ..."
     
    He has undoubtedly sold his soul to have a chance at the 30 pieces of silver, much like his ur-predecessor Mr. Blair.

    Yup, a pair of unprincipled, amoral traitorous scumbags.

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    Charles W McMillion is Another policy expert Trump needs on his team.

    He has given testimonies in the Senate hearings. Vast experience, great insight.

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  31. From memory- The Iridium sat phone program taught the Chinese how to build and launch rockets. Loral Corp and Hughes let 1/4 of the launches to China, 1/4 to Russia and 1/2 to Boeing. System never made money and Motorola threatened to de-orbit the bunch into the Arctic. Pentagon steps in and buys to whole system.

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  32. @Verymuchalive
    " The British betting industry " doesn't rate Trump's chances of becoming President.
    At the start of the current football season, the bookmakers rated Leicester City at 5,000-1 to win the Premier League. This they have done with several weeks to spare.
    If British bookmakers can get a core market like British Association Football so badly wrong, any prognostications on American politics must be treated with the fabled pinch of salt.
    Mr F, I know betting is ( often severely ) restricted in many American States, but surely some American bookmakers are taking bets. It would be interesting to hear of what they make of it.

    The British betting market has consistently massively understated Trump’s chances. If I were a gambling man I would have made a fortune.

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  33. Trump should announce that he plans to take on the insurance companies, doctors’ lobbies, and big pharma, and he intends to pursue a single-payer health insurance system for US CITIZENS. Illegals will not be covered. He would immediately steal a large portion of the Sanders supporters from Clinton, and he could provide needed services (health care) to those who “made America great”. Because those already on the government teat are already covered by Medicaid, an expansion of Medicare would benefit the shrinking middle class and the working poor.

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    This is a great idea plus it's the moral course of action to take and would disarm many critics. I would recommend something like the Cuban model where every doctor is always training two more. Using the VA hospitals as a starting point they could easily be expanded to provide good healthcare for all with the private system remaining for those who can and want to pay for private care. In health as in many things, a stitch in time saves nine.
  34. Eamonn or any knowledgable Nth. Am. baseball fan,

    I am very curious about the etymology of ‘deep six’.

    Since, in baseball, the maximum is four from a home run with all bases loaded, I have to suspect that it is a fossil term from the pre-Spalding days when cricket was more popular (and baseball, derived from rounders, did not exist).

    Hitting on the fly to the stands or outside the boundaries is a six in cricket, but meaningless in baseball.

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    • Replies: @Chinook Wind
    The expression "deep six" does not derive from sports, it's referring to the depth of a grave
    before the deceased is lowered. Six feet deep.
    , @res
    It's a nautical reference. See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deep_six
  35. @Simon in London
    Interesting analysis, thanks.

    The problem is affirmative action. Anyone who creates jobs that elites [who couldnt change a tire to save their lives] wrongly think any minority could do, are soon inundated with court orders to make half their workers brown, Well the only thing lazier and more incompetent than a minority is one protected by a court order.Trust me I have been tasked with trying to teach minorities how to be construction workers for 30 years, yeah sure there are exceptions but the average is it takes 4 minorities twice as long to do half as good a job that one white can do. Im not exaggerating. What keeps it going is unions, [and government jobs] ironically they have pretty much destroyed the union/apprenticeship training wage system just as the last of the whites retire out having been unable to get their children in for 30 years.While it might be poetic justice its a disaster for America who has hit a wall on how much idiot proofing they can make jobs and so we simply cant do anything properly anymore. I sit around a table of 30 high IQ white foreman all about to retire and wonder WTF will our country do.

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  36. The Chinese also purposely filled a large number of technical graduate programs with Chinese students to extract knowledge from the academy. In the early to mid 90′s, I could not find non-Chinese Ph.d. graduates with knowledge of FEA (finite element analysis) programs. FEA software is engineering and design software used to design and model both manufacturing processes, materials and product performance parameters.

    We had to hire Chinese nationals using H1-B visas, and tried to secure them status as permanent residents. The best were able to stay in the US. Many though worked on short term practical training visas and returned to China with both technical and manufacturing know how. It was a disaster for this country.

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  37. What the mainstream press has missed, however, is that on a per-capita basis, real Japanese incomes have been doing fine in recent years

    I guess. The US has done better. Look at total compensation per hour worked. Japan has never had a year over year increase higher than the US.

    The overall economy’s slowdown is attributable not to lagging productivity growth but rather to a consistently declining workforce

    Right. Because Japan doesn’t allow much immigration.

    Also, The Japanese save north of 30%, so consumption cannot drive their economy.

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  38. Very interesting indeed. FWIW the remarks about Japan mirror my wife’s observations over 3 weeks there with a Japanese friend — prosperous, lots of children, things happening, everything works well, no beggars. Not at all the “Japan stagnant since 1980s” which you hear all the time.

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  39. @Anonymous
    You, like Eamonn Fingleton, are ignoring geopolitics:

    http://articles.mcall.com/1990-09-26/news/2751377_1_oil-companies-gulf-oil-reserves-gulf-policy

    In the 1940s the State Department described the Arabian peninsula as "a stupendous source of strategic power, one of the greatest material prizes in world history." Since then, the invariant core of U.S. policy has been to block the emergence of any truly independent local forces from gaining control over the gulf oil reserves. These reserves are "ours" and must remain under the control of the client regimes and U.S. oil companies -- at any cost.

    The economic gains which accompany Wall Street's oil control can be listed as follows: First, U.S. planners have always believed that oil control enhances leverage over major capitalist rivals, especially Germany and Japan. For example, in 1949, George Kennan (State Department Policy Planning) argued that controlling Japanese oil imports would give Washington "veto power" over Japanese economic policies. Today, maintaining that leverage over super-rich Japan and Germany (and the European Community), both oil dependent, remains a key U.S. objective. It's not surprising that Germany and Japan have responded tepidly to U.S. policy and must be bullied into making financial contributions.
     

    And that was THEN. Already in the 40s and 50s they saw the end/dwindling of oil resources as could be recovered at the time. And so we secured the Middle East for ourselves. The Middle East is too expensive today however, our population and tax base do not support that expense and in any case, WE do not need it anymore. At the end of the day, China needs it, India, Paki-Whacki, the folks with a stout population (and far less tolerance for the nuttiness that is Islam, not to mention property rights of the weak) and so let them defend it, if they dare.

    There is no further benefit to our presence in the Middle East. The geopolitical un-realities you mention don’t make sense on any economic level. Besides, a contract is a contract, Shell and Exxon can fill contracts with whomever, no money lost. China “building” nuclear plants is a joke. GE&Company will be up to their hand-sewn collars in that endeavor..

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Whether we "need" it or if it "makes sense on an economic level" is beside the point. We didn't need it in the 40s and 50s either. Most of the oil we used then was domestic.

    The point is that there are many policymakers who regard geopolitics as important, irrespective of the economics.

    First, U.S. planners have always believed that oil control enhances leverage over major capitalist rivals, especially Germany and Japan. For example, in 1949, George Kennan (State Department Policy Planning) argued that controlling Japanese oil imports would give Washington “veto power” over Japanese economic policies. Today, maintaining that leverage over super-rich Japan and Germany (and the European Community), both oil dependent, remains a key U.S. objective.
     
  40. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jim Christian
    And that was THEN. Already in the 40s and 50s they saw the end/dwindling of oil resources as could be recovered at the time. And so we secured the Middle East for ourselves. The Middle East is too expensive today however, our population and tax base do not support that expense and in any case, WE do not need it anymore. At the end of the day, China needs it, India, Paki-Whacki, the folks with a stout population (and far less tolerance for the nuttiness that is Islam, not to mention property rights of the weak) and so let them defend it, if they dare.

    There is no further benefit to our presence in the Middle East. The geopolitical un-realities you mention don't make sense on any economic level. Besides, a contract is a contract, Shell and Exxon can fill contracts with whomever, no money lost. China "building" nuclear plants is a joke. GE&Company will be up to their hand-sewn collars in that endeavor..

    Whether we “need” it or if it “makes sense on an economic level” is beside the point. We didn’t need it in the 40s and 50s either. Most of the oil we used then was domestic.

    The point is that there are many policymakers who regard geopolitics as important, irrespective of the economics.

    First, U.S. planners have always believed that oil control enhances leverage over major capitalist rivals, especially Germany and Japan. For example, in 1949, George Kennan (State Department Policy Planning) argued that controlling Japanese oil imports would give Washington “veto power” over Japanese economic policies. Today, maintaining that leverage over super-rich Japan and Germany (and the European Community), both oil dependent, remains a key U.S. objective.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Not quite.
    Those with the oil must sell it competitively.

    Besides, look at oil now, the US does not control it, it's at rock bottom prices, and is available from sellers all over the world. The world is awash in oil.

    Who got the big oils deals in the Middle East after the US invasions? Not the US. The invasions are not about oil, but what Israel demands for their own benefit.

    Peak oil my ass.
  41. Surprises me that the many astute and observant commenters on this thread did not call attention to the reality that Fingleton’s piece is actually two separable essays wrapped as one. He begins with a common sensical assertion that working class Americans (that includes ALL salaried as well as hourly earners) are hearing Trump’s message and tend to agree with the bulk of his points.

    Then Eamon segues into a deeply informed set of economic analyses, focussing on a theme which i had not previously encountered and find quite useful ~ production knowhow. Though the dual focal points are somewhat mutually supportive, my overall take is that he should have pursued them in two distinct essays, employing specifics from each other to buttress his overall presentation.

    As a previously not shared caveat i do hope that Trump is for real and is not presenting a carefully scripted false-front as clearly does Sanders. Controlled opposition has long been one of the primary tools of the bankster conspiracy and i’m keeping my fingers crossed that Trump is the real deal who says what he means and means what he says (except for rhetorical raw meat for the great overwashed such as walling off the Mexican border). I’d be curious to elicit similar takes from other posters as well as countervailing arguments based on something more than hope for change (wherever we heard that before).

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  42. Meet me to that punch. . . . And at least with Leicester, the British bookies were setting odds on a subject they were supposed to know something about.

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  43. Western elites are not wrong about the economy, they just don’t care about the economy as a source of income to the masses. What they care about is the continued concentration of wealth under their own control or the control of those who pull their strings.

    That their policies undermine Western prosperity and power means nothing to them. The end game is global governance mediated by local governments subject to corporate control via trade agreements, and global institutions such as the UN, the WTO, the EU, etc.

    Hence Obama’s notice to the British: “sovereignty is obsolete.” And that means American sovereignty too.

    The key question about Trump is whether he is a true American patriot or a covert Treason Party alternative to the discredited Bush-Clinton duopoly. The answer to that question will likely determine not only the fate of the European people as a racial and cultural group, but whether we are to have peace or war with Russia and China.

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    • Replies: @Hibernian
    "The key question about Trump is whether he is a true American patriot or a covert Treason Party alternative to the discredited Bush-Clinton duopoly. "

    Raised in Queens, he shifted the focus of the family real estate operation from the outer boroughs to Manhattan. His college education was at Fordham and Penn (Wharton School.) He's been heavily involved in crony capitalism all his adult life.

    I think the answer's obvious.
  44. @Che Guava
    Eamonn or any knowledgable Nth. Am. baseball fan,

    I am very curious about the etymology of 'deep six'.

    Since, in baseball, the maximum is four from a home run with all bases loaded, I have to suspect that it is a fossil term from the pre-Spalding days when cricket was more popular (and baseball, derived from rounders, did not exist).

    Hitting on the fly to the stands or outside the boundaries is a six in cricket, but meaningless in baseball.

    The expression “deep six” does not derive from sports, it’s referring to the depth of a grave
    before the deceased is lowered. Six feet deep.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Or if you are really erudite you will do an online search and find that it is supposed to be nautical and that "deep six" was called when taking a sounding with a line which didn't include 6 on it (but did have 5 and 7) so "deep six" meant "about 6 fathoms". Deep-sixing was supposed to come from the common judgment that if you disposed of something in six fathoms (36 feet) at sea it wouldn't be seen again. Sounds perfectly simple and convincing doesn't it?

    I claim my BS is more conscientiously researched and therefore superior to yours.
    , @Che Guava
    Thank ynu very much. It makes sense.
  45. The idea that America’s economic decline can be attributed to bad economics has things arse-backwards.

    As Harvard economist J.K. Galbraith made clear decades ago, the function of economists is not to steer the economy but to rationalize for the public whatever direction the elite has decided the economy must go.

    Today, globalization, i.e., destruction of the democratic, sovereign nation state, accompanied by the concentration of power in the hands of bankers and oligarchs, is the objective to be concealed. Economists, liberally rewarded with newspaper columns, Nobel prizes, extremely lucrative textbook contracts (at the expense of students required to purchase their outrageously expensive and essentially worthless books) and Ivy League university chairs, merely provide the cover up.

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    • Agree: edNels, Jacques Sheete
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Economics diligently studied can be a good organising framework to start with for someone with a good and independent mind to make his own observations, generalisations and judgments. And it is necessary to know what a lot of other influential people are assuming and advising.
    Taking account of monopolisation, liquidity preference and shortage of liquidity, concepts like marginal cost, opportunity cost etc. are all virtually indispensable for understanding economies and devising policy.
  46. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @woodNfish
    FU, grammar nazi.

    Yawn. That was just more brainwashed ‘Nazi’ stuff.

    There are the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there are the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    http://www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    What if anything do these remarks, which you have made at least once before, have to do with the subject under discussion? In fact, why, if this site is moderated, is it possible to reduce the discussion to such a level of incoherent irrelevance.
    , @woodNfish
    You probably don't know who the soup nazi was either.
    , @Andrew E. Mathis
    You didn't even read that thread, did you? Just saw the word "Nazi" and went into C&P mode.

    Read your gmail today?
  47. @Anonymous
    Whether we "need" it or if it "makes sense on an economic level" is beside the point. We didn't need it in the 40s and 50s either. Most of the oil we used then was domestic.

    The point is that there are many policymakers who regard geopolitics as important, irrespective of the economics.

    First, U.S. planners have always believed that oil control enhances leverage over major capitalist rivals, especially Germany and Japan. For example, in 1949, George Kennan (State Department Policy Planning) argued that controlling Japanese oil imports would give Washington “veto power” over Japanese economic policies. Today, maintaining that leverage over super-rich Japan and Germany (and the European Community), both oil dependent, remains a key U.S. objective.
     

    Not quite.
    Those with the oil must sell it competitively.

    Besides, look at oil now, the US does not control it, it’s at rock bottom prices, and is available from sellers all over the world. The world is awash in oil.

    Who got the big oils deals in the Middle East after the US invasions? Not the US. The invasions are not about oil, but what Israel demands for their own benefit.

    Peak oil my ass.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Are you not a little underplaying the part oil played in motivation or at least advocacy long before the fracking revolution? At the very least some of the neo-cons were saying "Iraqi oil released from the sanctions will pay for it all". Also the control of what still in 2003 looked like a critically high proportion of the world's hydrocarbons - before cheap solar as well as before cheap fracking - can easily be understood as a geopolitical imperative. Not to say that Israel's interest in having the ME Balkanised didn't count in 2003 as it does now.
  48. @Rob89
    The facts speak for themselves. Margaret Thatcher was nudged by her inner-circle gnomes to resign in Nov 1990 but the Ravenscraig steelworks went belly up much later in 1992 and was demolished in 1996.

    After ww2, Britain was essentially insolvent and in the 1960s, British garrisons East of Suez were all closed. The writing was on the wall that wasteful projects like the TSR-2 and the Nimrods were unsustainable and had to be scrapped.

    "The TSR-2 was the victim of ever-rising costs and inter-service squabbling over Britain's future defense needs, which led to the controversial decision to scrap the programme in 1965.

    With the election of a new government, the TSR-2 was cancelled due to rising costs, in favor of purchasing an adapted version of the General Dynamics F-111, a decision that itself was later rescinded as costs and development times increased.

    The replacements included the Blackburn Buccaneer and McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II, both of which had previously been considered and rejected early in the TSR-2 procurement process. Eventually, the smaller swing-wing Panavia Tornado was developed and adopted by a European consortium to fulfill broadly similar requirements to the TSR-2." Source: Wikipedia.

    The blood-thirsty Vikings did not invent the Magnetic Compass. They used cordierite or some other crystals to determine the sun's direction on a cloudy day. It was useless at night as the sun had set. To sail the high seas at night the mariners needed a magnetic compass.

    That was why Columbus could set sail only in 1942 (using a Chinese-invented Compass), originally to seek (aka plunder) the legendary riches of Cathay (China) but lost his way in the Caribbean. The rest is a sorrowful history for the Aztec and Mayan civilizations and the death of tens of millions of Natives, slaughtered by the crazed pirates of Columbus and later the Spanish Conquistadors, who reached Central and South America, clutching the holy bible and cross in one hand and a sword in the other.

    But the Ming Dynasty Admiral Zheng He (pronounced 'Her') has already set sail in 1401 with 300 large ships (on 7 voyages) to Java, India, Persia, Saudi Arabia and East Africa to expand trade and not to conquer. Some even say that a few of his his captains also ventured to the spice islands and eventually to circumnavigate the continent of 'Australia' but the mandate from the Ming Emperor specifically banned colonization of any territory.

    Capt Cook only arrived in eastern Australia in 1770 and when he claimed he discovered Australia, there were sniggers at the British Admiralty, because they already had maps of Australia, drawn 250 years earlier by other non-British mariners, probably Chinese mariners from Admiral Zheng He's Treasure Fleet.

    And who would have thought that today China has a contract to build a £24bn nuclear power plant in Hinkly Point in the UK?

    The rest is a sorrowful history for the Aztec and Mayan civilizations and the death of tens of millions of Natives, slaughtered by the crazed pirates of Columbus and later the Spanish Conquistadors, who reached Central and South America, clutching the holy bible and cross in one hand and a sword in the other.

    Oh stop your whining and your navel-gazing moral relativity. All civilizations have used war and domination to increase their borders and wealth at the expense of some unlucky party and it still goes on today. Europeans were no different.

    Other than that, you make good points.

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  49. @Wally
    Yawn. That was just more brainwashed 'Nazi' stuff.

    There are the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there are the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    What if anything do these remarks, which you have made at least once before, have to do with the subject under discussion? In fact, why, if this site is moderated, is it possible to reduce the discussion to such a level of incoherent irrelevance.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Because the use of 'Nazi' in that case was a sign of indoctrination.
    Indoctrination based upon the absurd & impossible nonsense of '6M' Jews' that they did not kill.
    woodNfish, brought it up, I responded
    Simple as that.
    Catch up.

    more at:
    www.codoh.com
    www.forum.codoh.com
  50. @Wally
    Yawn. That was just more brainwashed 'Nazi' stuff.

    There are the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there are the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    You probably don’t know who the soup nazi was either.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    I know the word was incorrectly used, was based upon false assumptions.
    Hence my post on the false '6M' Jews.'
    Simple as that.
  51. @Wally
    Yawn. That was just more brainwashed 'Nazi' stuff.

    There are the ‘Nazis’ with the mythological '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' and there are the ‘Nazis’ without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    You didn’t even read that thread, did you? Just saw the word “Nazi” and went into C&P mode.

    Read your gmail today?

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    • Replies: @Wally
    My gmail? Uh, sure.

    new publication:
    Curated Lies
    The Auschwitz Museum’s Misrepresentations, Distortions and Deceptions

    http://codoh.com/news/3359/
    http://www.codoh.com/media/generated/generated/images/38l_big_big.jpg

  52. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “But can he win in November? Even today, not everyone is convinced. Certainly if the British betting industry is to be believed, his chances are still no more than half of Hillary Clinton’s.”

    ==
    Actually, the London oddsmakers have pegged the Republicans’ chance of regaining the White House at about 13%. Trump, the casino magnate, should put some money down, especially with all he’s saved with free media coverage!

    Anyway, there’s nowhere to go but up…

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  53. Obama came offering hopes and changes .He was tested immediately and he succumbed . He learnt fast .

    Given the nature of the Deep State , chances are Trump will face same pressures from behind and from front and will be ambushed by stealth attack or fait accompli .

    one sure thing is that he will face another attack on Gaza by Israel followed by more IS friendly activities by Israel on Golan.
    Worse is the nerve wrecking possibility of false flag operation like what Kennedy endured

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  54. @Che Guava
    Eamonn or any knowledgable Nth. Am. baseball fan,

    I am very curious about the etymology of 'deep six'.

    Since, in baseball, the maximum is four from a home run with all bases loaded, I have to suspect that it is a fossil term from the pre-Spalding days when cricket was more popular (and baseball, derived from rounders, did not exist).

    Hitting on the fly to the stands or outside the boundaries is a six in cricket, but meaningless in baseball.

    It’s a nautical reference. See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deep_six

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  55. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @woodNfish
    You probably don't know who the soup nazi was either.

    I know the word was incorrectly used, was based upon false assumptions.
    Hence my post on the false ’6M’ Jews.’
    Simple as that.

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    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    Because without six million Jews, the Nazis aren't authoritarian?

    Seriously?
  56. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @CanSpeccy
    What if anything do these remarks, which you have made at least once before, have to do with the subject under discussion? In fact, why, if this site is moderated, is it possible to reduce the discussion to such a level of incoherent irrelevance.

    Because the use of ‘Nazi’ in that case was a sign of indoctrination.
    Indoctrination based upon the absurd & impossible nonsense of ’6M’ Jews’ that they did not kill.
    woodNfish, brought it up, I responded
    Simple as that.
    Catch up.

    more at:
    http://www.codoh.com
    http://www.forum.codoh.com

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Someone with your certainties and the knowledge that they are contested by people who regard them as important, as you do, must surely have the evidence at his fingertips to back them up. So please, inform us of the basics like the populations of all the areas if Eastern Europe, Soviet Union, France, Belgium,Holland, Yugoslavia etc that Germany invaded, plus Germany, Italy and Austria, by ethnicity as recorded by census and otherwise starting in the late 20s and ending in the 50s. Then we can move on to how dead died.
  57. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    You didn't even read that thread, did you? Just saw the word "Nazi" and went into C&P mode.

    Read your gmail today?

    My gmail? Uh, sure.

    new publication:
    Curated Lies
    The Auschwitz Museum’s Misrepresentations, Distortions and Deceptions

    http://codoh.com/news/3359/

    http://www.codoh.com/media/generated/generated/images/38l_big_big.jpg

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    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    Yes, your gmail. I received a lovely email from a Peruvian cinema scholar. I forwarded you a copy.

    You mistyped your handle the other day and revealed your email address.
  58. Wait, a discussion on Trump and Japan? Must be time for the nazi brain trust to start denying the Holocaust.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    One cannot deny what could not have happened.

    It's good to see all the interest here, just what is needed to stop dangerous Zionism.

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000
    But note that there is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka) even though Jews claim to know exactly where these allegedly enormous mass graves are.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

  59. @Wally
    My gmail? Uh, sure.

    new publication:
    Curated Lies
    The Auschwitz Museum’s Misrepresentations, Distortions and Deceptions

    http://codoh.com/news/3359/
    http://www.codoh.com/media/generated/generated/images/38l_big_big.jpg

    Yes, your gmail. I received a lovely email from a Peruvian cinema scholar. I forwarded you a copy.

    You mistyped your handle the other day and revealed your email address.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Sure, keep believing it.

    The embarrassing high school-like drama of Nazi human skin lampshades & shrunken heads stagecraft is absolutely exposed here for the fraud that it is.
    Buchenwald—A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil
    By DenierBud
    http://codoh.com/library/document/1529/

    more here:
    Nazi Shrunken Heads
    A 24-minute free video about lies which justify war
    By DenierBud
    http://codoh.com/library/document/1528/

  60. @Wally
    I know the word was incorrectly used, was based upon false assumptions.
    Hence my post on the false '6M' Jews.'
    Simple as that.

    Because without six million Jews, the Nazis aren’t authoritarian?

    Seriously?

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  61. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Because without six million Jews, the Nazis aren't authoritarian?

    Seriously?

    No more so than anyone else.

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    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    Jesus...

    Yes, the Nazis were more authoritarian than other states. Sure, there were other authoritarian states on the left (USSR) or right (Romania, Hungary, etc.). But there were also states that were considerably less authoritarian -- this one, for instance.

    I know you're fond of drawing comparisons between the Nazi KZ system and the Japanese internment. I also know that you don't think the Nazis didn't do anything untoward in those camps, so just consider the following:

    As wrong as it was for the U.S. to intern Japanese Americans, it was done during the war. The Nazis spent six years before the war started throwing people in KZs for speech and political violations. We kept the newspapers legal all through the war; the Nazis had banned all opposition newspapers by 1934. We persecuted communists, but we didn't jail them; Ernst Thälmann spent 11 years in solitary confinement and then was summarily executed. I understand that you dislike communism, but I do think that's going a bit too far.

    I don't believe you actually think the Nazis were no more authoritarian than anyone else. If you do truly believe this, then you just plain don't know anything about what you're talking about.
  62. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Yes, your gmail. I received a lovely email from a Peruvian cinema scholar. I forwarded you a copy.

    You mistyped your handle the other day and revealed your email address.

    Sure, keep believing it.

    The embarrassing high school-like drama of Nazi human skin lampshades & shrunken heads stagecraft is absolutely exposed here for the fraud that it is.
    Buchenwald—A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil
    By DenierBud

    http://codoh.com/library/document/1529/

    more here:
    Nazi Shrunken Heads
    A 24-minute free video about lies which justify war
    By DenierBud

    http://codoh.com/library/document/1528/

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    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    Just keep playing by the rules, and I won't write her back. That means keeping my name out of this forum and your own. I'll do the same. Don't make me do not nice things.
  63. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Boris
    Wait, a discussion on Trump and Japan? Must be time for the nazi brain trust to start denying the Holocaust.

    One cannot deny what could not have happened.

    It’s good to see all the interest here, just what is needed to stop dangerous Zionism.

    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000
    But note that there is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka) even though Jews claim to know exactly where these allegedly enormous mass graves are.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    http://www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    Treblinka mass graves:

    http://tinyurl.com/z9fck4f

    Gern geschehen!
    , @Boris
    There's no interest here. The Holocaust deniers who yes ma'am your posts were Holocaust deniers long before you.

    If you weren't such terrible terrible human beings, Holocaust deniers would be amusing--like flat earthers.
  64. @Wally
    No more so than anyone else.

    Jesus…

    Yes, the Nazis were more authoritarian than other states. Sure, there were other authoritarian states on the left (USSR) or right (Romania, Hungary, etc.). But there were also states that were considerably less authoritarian — this one, for instance.

    I know you’re fond of drawing comparisons between the Nazi KZ system and the Japanese internment. I also know that you don’t think the Nazis didn’t do anything untoward in those camps, so just consider the following:

    As wrong as it was for the U.S. to intern Japanese Americans, it was done during the war. The Nazis spent six years before the war started throwing people in KZs for speech and political violations. We kept the newspapers legal all through the war; the Nazis had banned all opposition newspapers by 1934. We persecuted communists, but we didn’t jail them; Ernst Thälmann spent 11 years in solitary confinement and then was summarily executed. I understand that you dislike communism, but I do think that’s going a bit too far.

    I don’t believe you actually think the Nazis were no more authoritarian than anyone else. If you do truly believe this, then you just plain don’t know anything about what you’re talking about.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Right.
    Another laughfest from an authoritarian, violent apartheid supporting Zionist lunatic.

    All readers should see:
    'ADL's 'Manual for Action' Against Free Speech / campus censorship'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10329

  65. @Wally
    Sure, keep believing it.

    The embarrassing high school-like drama of Nazi human skin lampshades & shrunken heads stagecraft is absolutely exposed here for the fraud that it is.
    Buchenwald—A Dumb Dumb Portrayal Of Evil
    By DenierBud
    http://codoh.com/library/document/1529/

    more here:
    Nazi Shrunken Heads
    A 24-minute free video about lies which justify war
    By DenierBud
    http://codoh.com/library/document/1528/

    Just keep playing by the rules, and I won’t write her back. That means keeping my name out of this forum and your own. I’ll do the same. Don’t make me do not nice things.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    I own you, always will.

    '1000 year old Viking mass graves excavated, identified, etc., but no such 'holocaust' mass graves. Why? / +Treblinka'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10137

    Also for the readers here,
    aerial photos blow away Auschwitz lies.
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10357

    Note the altered photos which has 'Jews on way to gas chambers' marching on a rooftop, hilarious.
    http://www.vho.org/D/gzz/BallDachgehe.jpg

    I win again.

  66. @Wally
    One cannot deny what could not have happened.

    It's good to see all the interest here, just what is needed to stop dangerous Zionism.

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000
    But note that there is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka) even though Jews claim to know exactly where these allegedly enormous mass graves are.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Treblinka mass graves:

    http://tinyurl.com/z9fck4f

    Gern geschehen!

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Don't make me laugh, that's the typical Zionist liar's bluff.

    Not an excavated, verified, displayed mass grave to be seen.

    Again, where are the alleged human remains of 900,000 Jews at Treblinka, show them.
    That's 10 X the LA Coliseum's capacity of 90,000.
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1349&t=1
  67. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Treblinka mass graves:

    http://tinyurl.com/z9fck4f

    Gern geschehen!

    Don’t make me laugh, that’s the typical Zionist liar’s bluff.

    Not an excavated, verified, displayed mass grave to be seen.

    Again, where are the alleged human remains of 900,000 Jews at Treblinka, show them.
    That’s 10 X the LA Coliseum’s capacity of 90,000.

    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1349&t=1

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    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    You will not, because you cannot, indicate what's wrong with the report from 1946. It doesn't fit your narrative so you hand wave it. Typical.
  68. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Just keep playing by the rules, and I won't write her back. That means keeping my name out of this forum and your own. I'll do the same. Don't make me do not nice things.

    I own you, always will.

    ’1000 year old Viking mass graves excavated, identified, etc., but no such ‘holocaust’ mass graves. Why? / +Treblinka’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10137

    Also for the readers here,
    aerial photos blow away Auschwitz lies.

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10357

    Note the altered photos which has ‘Jews on way to gas chambers’ marching on a rooftop, hilarious.

    http://www.vho.org/D/gzz/BallDachgehe.jpg

    I win again.

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  69. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Jesus...

    Yes, the Nazis were more authoritarian than other states. Sure, there were other authoritarian states on the left (USSR) or right (Romania, Hungary, etc.). But there were also states that were considerably less authoritarian -- this one, for instance.

    I know you're fond of drawing comparisons between the Nazi KZ system and the Japanese internment. I also know that you don't think the Nazis didn't do anything untoward in those camps, so just consider the following:

    As wrong as it was for the U.S. to intern Japanese Americans, it was done during the war. The Nazis spent six years before the war started throwing people in KZs for speech and political violations. We kept the newspapers legal all through the war; the Nazis had banned all opposition newspapers by 1934. We persecuted communists, but we didn't jail them; Ernst Thälmann spent 11 years in solitary confinement and then was summarily executed. I understand that you dislike communism, but I do think that's going a bit too far.

    I don't believe you actually think the Nazis were no more authoritarian than anyone else. If you do truly believe this, then you just plain don't know anything about what you're talking about.

    Right.
    Another laughfest from an authoritarian, violent apartheid supporting Zionist lunatic.

    All readers should see:
    ‘ADL’s ‘Manual for Action’ Against Free Speech / campus censorship’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10329

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    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    You are a textbook case of projection. You are the one who makes excuses for authoritarian Nazis. You are the one who hates minorities, including apparently the one to which your wife belongs. You are the nationalist, not me, and as we both know, Zionism is a form of nationalism. And for all we've been through together, my old friend, one thing I've always been very careful to do is not violate the law with regard to you. So I've never been violent.

    The irony is that your political positions are all much closer to Zionism than mine. I don't support ethnic nationalism and I support equality under the law for minorities regardless of where they live. The reason you don't like Zionism is that you don't like Jews. Otherwise, I rather think you'd see it favorably.

    But you know all that. So faced with a logical argument that the Nazis were indeed authoritarians, you project project project. It's quite pathetic.

    Enjoy yourself here, BBG. I'll be keeping eye on you.
    , @Andrew E. Mathis
    John Ball demolished:

    http://www.nizkor.org/features/ball-challenge/
  70. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    “on many measures Denmark ranks as the world’s richest society and certainly has for more than a generation now been rapidly lengthening its lead over the United States”

    I’m sick of this Bernie claptrap. An easy google search of OECD stats shows that in per capita GDP, the Danes are behind the U.S. by 20%! Americans create over $10,000 per resident per year more than Denmark. So they get more time off? We also produce more on average for EVERY hour we work.

    When it comes to material wealth at purchasing power parity, the U.S. is the richest large nation in the world. By FAR. Even comparing us to relatively homogenous small countries, we mostly win. Only the Swiss (lots to admire there) Norway (Petro-hypocrites) and Luxembourg ($$$) beat us for producing more wealth per person.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    The fact that the average, and the poorest, citizens of each of the four states mentioned (and Australia and New Zealand, Singapore and Japan I would suggest) live better than the average and the poorest in the US leads one to ask what the ingredients of the superior US GDP are. Bloated health costs but poorer health, bloated defence expenditure come to mind pretty high up. Incarcerating people and running the criminal justice system must also rank pretty high.
    , @Eamonn Fingleton
    You write:

    An easy google search of OECD stats shows that in per capita GDP, the Danes are behind the U.S. by 20%! Americans create over $10,000 per resident per year more than Denmark.
     
    Google seems to have let you down. The latest OECD figures show that Denmark's per-capita GDP averaged $60,718.40 between 2011 and 2015 inclusive. That was more than 11 percent higher than America's figure of a mere $54,629.50.
    , @AmericanaCON
    The GDP per capita is measured differently. According to the IMF (2015) United States has the 5th highest GDP per capita in the world. However, according to World Bank (2014) United States has the 9th highest GDP per capita in the world and United Nation (2014) place United States at 13th place. The Bernie people look at the stats from the World Bank and the United Nation and not IMF. In the World Bank and United Nations measurement Northern European countries are partly placed higher and in particular Scandinavia. When it comes to GDP per capita (PPP) United States is placed behind Switzerland and most of the oil-depended countries (including Norway) according to World Bank. What Sanders is fishing after is that Northern European countries have social-democratic/universal welfare states and they are still productive although faltering first world nations.

    However, what Sanders don’t say is although the working class is better off, the middle class (college education) and the wealthy are poorer than in United States. Sanders do not mention the growing social and racial conflicts in Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Denmark – which are rapidly growing. The national-conservatives (alternative-right) are already in government in Norway, Finland and support the current Danish government. We would most likely see something similar in Sweden in their general election in 2018. The Scandinavian welfare regime was until the mid 1970 built around ethno-nationalism in already homogeneous countries. It was through ethnic internal solidarity and assimilaton of migrants into their sociatal culture they were able to keep their welfare regime together not liberal game theory. Their elite once even openly admitted it. The reason why the Bernie Campaign mention Denmark is because the elites in Sweden have blew their country to pieces because of their progressive policy.

  71. @Chinook Wind
    The expression "deep six" does not derive from sports, it's referring to the depth of a grave
    before the deceased is lowered. Six feet deep.

    Or if you are really erudite you will do an online search and find that it is supposed to be nautical and that “deep six” was called when taking a sounding with a line which didn’t include 6 on it (but did have 5 and 7) so “deep six” meant “about 6 fathoms”. Deep-sixing was supposed to come from the common judgment that if you disposed of something in six fathoms (36 feet) at sea it wouldn’t be seen again. Sounds perfectly simple and convincing doesn’t it?

    I claim my BS is more conscientiously researched and therefore superior to yours.

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  72. @CanSpeccy
    The idea that America's economic decline can be attributed to bad economics has things arse-backwards.

    As Harvard economist J.K. Galbraith made clear decades ago, the function of economists is not to steer the economy but to rationalize for the public whatever direction the elite has decided the economy must go.

    Today, globalization, i.e., destruction of the democratic, sovereign nation state, accompanied by the concentration of power in the hands of bankers and oligarchs, is the objective to be concealed. Economists, liberally rewarded with newspaper columns, Nobel prizes, extremely lucrative textbook contracts (at the expense of students required to purchase their outrageously expensive and essentially worthless books) and Ivy League university chairs, merely provide the cover up.

    Economics diligently studied can be a good organising framework to start with for someone with a good and independent mind to make his own observations, generalisations and judgments. And it is necessary to know what a lot of other influential people are assuming and advising.
    Taking account of monopolisation, liquidity preference and shortage of liquidity, concepts like marginal cost, opportunity cost etc. are all virtually indispensable for understanding economies and devising policy.

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  73. @Wally
    Because the use of 'Nazi' in that case was a sign of indoctrination.
    Indoctrination based upon the absurd & impossible nonsense of '6M' Jews' that they did not kill.
    woodNfish, brought it up, I responded
    Simple as that.
    Catch up.

    more at:
    www.codoh.com
    www.forum.codoh.com

    Someone with your certainties and the knowledge that they are contested by people who regard them as important, as you do, must surely have the evidence at his fingertips to back them up. So please, inform us of the basics like the populations of all the areas if Eastern Europe, Soviet Union, France, Belgium,Holland, Yugoslavia etc that Germany invaded, plus Germany, Italy and Austria, by ethnicity as recorded by census and otherwise starting in the late 20s and ending in the 50s. Then we can move on to how dead died.

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    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    Be prepared for a list of CODOH links with no explanation, follows by an invitation to debate there and some name calling and bull baiting. I'd bet my life on it.
    , @Wally
    The onus is upon the accuser, you. That's a basic law of jurisprudence.
    It's on you to prove your claims, but do see:

    'J. Graf and the illogical canard: 'Where did Jews go then?' / & more'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272

    Imagine in a real/legit court of law someone claiming that millions of people were murdered and dumped into mass graves, but then could not produce the mass graves. They would be laughed out of court.

    In fact you are simply dodging the obvious.
    The 'holocaust' storyline says the 6M Jews & 5M others' were murdered in known, very centralized locations.
    Please show us actual excavations, with contents displayed, verified for the enormous mass graves that are alleged.
    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000
    But note that there is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka) even though Jews claim to know exactly where these allegedly enormous mass graves are.

    see this take down of a fraudulent, laughable Zionist non-excavation of Treblinka:
    'Mass Graves claimed to be found at Treblinka'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6804

    for more see real science, real forensics, real logic:
    Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4111

    Thanks.

  74. @Wally
    Not quite.
    Those with the oil must sell it competitively.

    Besides, look at oil now, the US does not control it, it's at rock bottom prices, and is available from sellers all over the world. The world is awash in oil.

    Who got the big oils deals in the Middle East after the US invasions? Not the US. The invasions are not about oil, but what Israel demands for their own benefit.

    Peak oil my ass.

    Are you not a little underplaying the part oil played in motivation or at least advocacy long before the fracking revolution? At the very least some of the neo-cons were saying “Iraqi oil released from the sanctions will pay for it all”. Also the control of what still in 2003 looked like a critically high proportion of the world’s hydrocarbons – before cheap solar as well as before cheap fracking – can easily be understood as a geopolitical imperative. Not to say that Israel’s interest in having the ME Balkanised didn’t count in 2003 as it does now.

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  75. @Rob89
    The facts speak for themselves. Margaret Thatcher was nudged by her inner-circle gnomes to resign in Nov 1990 but the Ravenscraig steelworks went belly up much later in 1992 and was demolished in 1996.

    After ww2, Britain was essentially insolvent and in the 1960s, British garrisons East of Suez were all closed. The writing was on the wall that wasteful projects like the TSR-2 and the Nimrods were unsustainable and had to be scrapped.

    "The TSR-2 was the victim of ever-rising costs and inter-service squabbling over Britain's future defense needs, which led to the controversial decision to scrap the programme in 1965.

    With the election of a new government, the TSR-2 was cancelled due to rising costs, in favor of purchasing an adapted version of the General Dynamics F-111, a decision that itself was later rescinded as costs and development times increased.

    The replacements included the Blackburn Buccaneer and McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II, both of which had previously been considered and rejected early in the TSR-2 procurement process. Eventually, the smaller swing-wing Panavia Tornado was developed and adopted by a European consortium to fulfill broadly similar requirements to the TSR-2." Source: Wikipedia.

    The blood-thirsty Vikings did not invent the Magnetic Compass. They used cordierite or some other crystals to determine the sun's direction on a cloudy day. It was useless at night as the sun had set. To sail the high seas at night the mariners needed a magnetic compass.

    That was why Columbus could set sail only in 1942 (using a Chinese-invented Compass), originally to seek (aka plunder) the legendary riches of Cathay (China) but lost his way in the Caribbean. The rest is a sorrowful history for the Aztec and Mayan civilizations and the death of tens of millions of Natives, slaughtered by the crazed pirates of Columbus and later the Spanish Conquistadors, who reached Central and South America, clutching the holy bible and cross in one hand and a sword in the other.

    But the Ming Dynasty Admiral Zheng He (pronounced 'Her') has already set sail in 1401 with 300 large ships (on 7 voyages) to Java, India, Persia, Saudi Arabia and East Africa to expand trade and not to conquer. Some even say that a few of his his captains also ventured to the spice islands and eventually to circumnavigate the continent of 'Australia' but the mandate from the Ming Emperor specifically banned colonization of any territory.

    Capt Cook only arrived in eastern Australia in 1770 and when he claimed he discovered Australia, there were sniggers at the British Admiralty, because they already had maps of Australia, drawn 250 years earlier by other non-British mariners, probably Chinese mariners from Admiral Zheng He's Treasure Fleet.

    And who would have thought that today China has a contract to build a £24bn nuclear power plant in Hinkly Point in the UK?

    The earliest maps showing what we know now to be (roughly/part of) Australia are from about 1540 and are Portuguese. There were no proper maps of New Zealand or the east coast of Australia until Cook I am pretty sure. And that is significant because the east coast had the means to support 18th century Europeans whereas the west that the Dutch (after the Portuguese) kept on running into was – until the 20th century – only good for the kind of drama that resulted from the Batavia running irretrievably into WA about 1627. Not that Cook needed that to prove himself one of the great navigators and maritime explorers.

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  76. @Anonymous
    "on many measures Denmark ranks as the world’s richest society and certainly has for more than a generation now been rapidly lengthening its lead over the United States"

    I'm sick of this Bernie claptrap. An easy google search of OECD stats shows that in per capita GDP, the Danes are behind the U.S. by 20%! Americans create over $10,000 per resident per year more than Denmark. So they get more time off? We also produce more on average for EVERY hour we work.

    When it comes to material wealth at purchasing power parity, the U.S. is the richest large nation in the world. By FAR. Even comparing us to relatively homogenous small countries, we mostly win. Only the Swiss (lots to admire there) Norway (Petro-hypocrites) and Luxembourg ($$$) beat us for producing more wealth per person.

    The fact that the average, and the poorest, citizens of each of the four states mentioned (and Australia and New Zealand, Singapore and Japan I would suggest) live better than the average and the poorest in the US leads one to ask what the ingredients of the superior US GDP are. Bloated health costs but poorer health, bloated defence expenditure come to mind pretty high up. Incarcerating people and running the criminal justice system must also rank pretty high.

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  77. @Anonymous
    "on many measures Denmark ranks as the world’s richest society and certainly has for more than a generation now been rapidly lengthening its lead over the United States"

    I'm sick of this Bernie claptrap. An easy google search of OECD stats shows that in per capita GDP, the Danes are behind the U.S. by 20%! Americans create over $10,000 per resident per year more than Denmark. So they get more time off? We also produce more on average for EVERY hour we work.

    When it comes to material wealth at purchasing power parity, the U.S. is the richest large nation in the world. By FAR. Even comparing us to relatively homogenous small countries, we mostly win. Only the Swiss (lots to admire there) Norway (Petro-hypocrites) and Luxembourg ($$$) beat us for producing more wealth per person.

    You write:

    An easy google search of OECD stats shows that in per capita GDP, the Danes are behind the U.S. by 20%! Americans create over $10,000 per resident per year more than Denmark.

    Google seems to have let you down. The latest OECD figures show that Denmark’s per-capita GDP averaged $60,718.40 between 2011 and 2015 inclusive. That was more than 11 percent higher than America’s figure of a mere $54,629.50.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Now compare those figures with Danish prices.

    The Scandinavians I know who come to the US tend to stock up on $1000s worth of electronics while they're here for themselves and relatives back home.
  78. @Frankie P
    Trump should announce that he plans to take on the insurance companies, doctors' lobbies, and big pharma, and he intends to pursue a single-payer health insurance system for US CITIZENS. Illegals will not be covered. He would immediately steal a large portion of the Sanders supporters from Clinton, and he could provide needed services (health care) to those who "made America great". Because those already on the government teat are already covered by Medicaid, an expansion of Medicare would benefit the shrinking middle class and the working poor.

    This is a great idea plus it’s the moral course of action to take and would disarm many critics. I would recommend something like the Cuban model where every doctor is always training two more. Using the VA hospitals as a starting point they could easily be expanded to provide good healthcare for all with the private system remaining for those who can and want to pay for private care. In health as in many things, a stitch in time saves nine.

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  79. AmericanaCON [AKA "Jolie Pepperdine"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    There have been a long list of candidates since Barry Goldwater lost in 1964 who had promoted anti-establishment ideas and all of them have lost other than Ronald Reagan and he sold out when he stepped into the White House in 1980. If you listen to Trump he is slowly backing down on most of his positions. At the Convention at Cleveland you will be presented with a watered down alternative. He has to because his donors (it not the GOP establishment) will change most of his positions. When Trump backs down Hillary will fire at him and push him into a corner – meaning Trump will (in his way) apologize for his previous positions on immigration, trade and intervention in foreign countries.

    I think the temporary Muslim-ban is the first position Trump will desert as it was idiotic from the very start. The mainstream media, academia, government, finance, politicians and non-government organizations will than attack Trump. The only reason why Trump is alive and kicking is because he has not yet backed down yet. This is why the U.S (and worlds) establishment fears him. Donald Trump has a few activists on twitter and Breitbart on his side. He has also a few million voters and a few endorsements from a handful of politicians and celebrities. The far-left Bernie people will not come out for Trump. Leftist don’t vote for conservatives or nationalists. Donald Trump talk and talk but does he walk the walk? No, he doesn’t! Trump can be happy if he receives more than 35 percent in the upcoming election

    Trump is what happens when you allow the white trash to vote. They don’t vote for serious candidates like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul.

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    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
    Trump is what happens when you let the crazies race bait the president and say and do nothing to oppose it and when you obstruct every initiative the president makes, even if it's an initiative from within your own bloc (Obamacare), and when you lose on these issues, as in 2012, doubling down instead of reassessing.

    What exactly did the GOP think was going to happen? How else, exactly, does this whole strategy end, if not this way? When you gerrymander yourself into office and then curtail voting rights to keep yourself there, the only direction you can move in is further to the margins because you don't face real opposition from the other political party. So the GOP ended up a bunch of ignoramuses not knowing how people felt about things, egging on the worse instincts of its base instead of discouraging such behavior. It's almost a textbook example of how to push a polity into extremism.
  80. @Wally
    Right.
    Another laughfest from an authoritarian, violent apartheid supporting Zionist lunatic.

    All readers should see:
    'ADL's 'Manual for Action' Against Free Speech / campus censorship'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10329

    You are a textbook case of projection. You are the one who makes excuses for authoritarian Nazis. You are the one who hates minorities, including apparently the one to which your wife belongs. You are the nationalist, not me, and as we both know, Zionism is a form of nationalism. And for all we’ve been through together, my old friend, one thing I’ve always been very careful to do is not violate the law with regard to you. So I’ve never been violent.

    The irony is that your political positions are all much closer to Zionism than mine. I don’t support ethnic nationalism and I support equality under the law for minorities regardless of where they live. The reason you don’t like Zionism is that you don’t like Jews. Otherwise, I rather think you’d see it favorably.

    But you know all that. So faced with a logical argument that the Nazis were indeed authoritarians, you project project project. It’s quite pathetic.

    Enjoy yourself here, BBG. I’ll be keeping eye on you.

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  81. AmericanaCON [AKA "Jolie Pepperdine"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    "on many measures Denmark ranks as the world’s richest society and certainly has for more than a generation now been rapidly lengthening its lead over the United States"

    I'm sick of this Bernie claptrap. An easy google search of OECD stats shows that in per capita GDP, the Danes are behind the U.S. by 20%! Americans create over $10,000 per resident per year more than Denmark. So they get more time off? We also produce more on average for EVERY hour we work.

    When it comes to material wealth at purchasing power parity, the U.S. is the richest large nation in the world. By FAR. Even comparing us to relatively homogenous small countries, we mostly win. Only the Swiss (lots to admire there) Norway (Petro-hypocrites) and Luxembourg ($$$) beat us for producing more wealth per person.

    The GDP per capita is measured differently. According to the IMF (2015) United States has the 5th highest GDP per capita in the world. However, according to World Bank (2014) United States has the 9th highest GDP per capita in the world and United Nation (2014) place United States at 13th place. The Bernie people look at the stats from the World Bank and the United Nation and not IMF. In the World Bank and United Nations measurement Northern European countries are partly placed higher and in particular Scandinavia. When it comes to GDP per capita (PPP) United States is placed behind Switzerland and most of the oil-depended countries (including Norway) according to World Bank. What Sanders is fishing after is that Northern European countries have social-democratic/universal welfare states and they are still productive although faltering first world nations.

    However, what Sanders don’t say is although the working class is better off, the middle class (college education) and the wealthy are poorer than in United States. Sanders do not mention the growing social and racial conflicts in Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Denmark – which are rapidly growing. The national-conservatives (alternative-right) are already in government in Norway, Finland and support the current Danish government. We would most likely see something similar in Sweden in their general election in 2018. The Scandinavian welfare regime was until the mid 1970 built around ethno-nationalism in already homogeneous countries. It was through ethnic internal solidarity and assimilaton of migrants into their sociatal culture they were able to keep their welfare regime together not liberal game theory. Their elite once even openly admitted it. The reason why the Bernie Campaign mention Denmark is because the elites in Sweden have blew their country to pieces because of their progressive policy.

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  82. @Wizard of Oz
    Someone with your certainties and the knowledge that they are contested by people who regard them as important, as you do, must surely have the evidence at his fingertips to back them up. So please, inform us of the basics like the populations of all the areas if Eastern Europe, Soviet Union, France, Belgium,Holland, Yugoslavia etc that Germany invaded, plus Germany, Italy and Austria, by ethnicity as recorded by census and otherwise starting in the late 20s and ending in the 50s. Then we can move on to how dead died.

    Be prepared for a list of CODOH links with no explanation, follows by an invitation to debate there and some name calling and bull baiting. I’d bet my life on it.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Before moving on to the next thread / opportunity, since I've clearly won this one, now read this.

    Below is the desperate behavior of another deranged Zionist who wants to silence free speech & inquiry.

    Criminal Zionist Andrew Mathis, aka: ‘Thames Darwin’ and ‘Rejoining Ash’ is a stalking violence advocating hasbara Jew, he has threatened physical violence against Revisionists, he posts pictures, addresses, phone nos. of those he wants attacked.
    He has left threatening voicemail messages, on & on. All of this illegal activity is documented, recorded, and saved by many, it’s ironclad.

    Such are those who fear free speech.

    Andrew Mathis, who also posts as 'Thames Darwin' and ‘Rejoining Ash’ is demolished here:

    Internet extremist Andrew Mathis admits to collecting IP's!
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=6975

    'Is 1% too much to ask?'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10206

    'Mass Graves / Serniki'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6763

    'Himmler's note infers Hitler knew of liquidation?'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2143

    'Alleged "mass graves" according to T. Darwin / Andrew Mathis'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9414


    'Andrew Mathis on Dachau, Majdanek, Auschwitz, Treblinka'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9228

    Andrew Mathis, who also posts as 'Thames Darwin', gets shot down again:
    Anecdotal evidence & "holocaust survivors"
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9238

    holocaust' denial article by Andrew Mathis debunked here'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2816

    'Prof. Mc Nally dissects HHP's Andrew Mathis' bogus article'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2841

    'Holo. Hist. Proj.'s Andrew Mathis on Zyklon scent removal'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2499

    'Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267

    'Believer org. spokesman, Andrew Mathis, demolished in debate'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=254

    'Holo. Hist. Proj.'s Andrew Mathis attempts damage control'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2498

    'Email from Andrew Mathis (The Holocaust History Project)'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1526

    'holocaust' History Project to unveil section on Treblinka'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=280
  83. @Wally
    Don't make me laugh, that's the typical Zionist liar's bluff.

    Not an excavated, verified, displayed mass grave to be seen.

    Again, where are the alleged human remains of 900,000 Jews at Treblinka, show them.
    That's 10 X the LA Coliseum's capacity of 90,000.
    http://forum.codoh.com/download/file.php?id=1349&t=1

    You will not, because you cannot, indicate what’s wrong with the report from 1946. It doesn’t fit your narrative so you hand wave it. Typical.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    There is no 'report, only a communist claim of it. It's completely laughable.
    You have not, cannot shown the actual "report", if you could you would.

    Actually show it, not allege it.
    Not a single verification of this communist propaganda:
    - no photos,
    - no forensics,
    - no verification of the absurd "900,000 Jews"
    - no mass graves & their contents show

    If this communist report was real we'd be seeing it 24/7 in the Zionist dominated media. We do not, for good reasons.

    see this take down of a fraudulent, laughable Zionist non-excavation of Treblinka:
    'Mass Graves claimed to be found at Treblinka'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6804

    I win again.

  84. @Wally
    Right.
    Another laughfest from an authoritarian, violent apartheid supporting Zionist lunatic.

    All readers should see:
    'ADL's 'Manual for Action' Against Free Speech / campus censorship'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10329

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Classic Zionist BS refuted with ease.

    see here for the demolition of the altered photographs:

    'Reconnaissance photo of Auschwitz showing smoke'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10357

    more:
    Critique of Claims Made by Robert Jan Van Pelt
    by Germar Rudolf
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html
    example:
    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RvP2.jpg
    and:
    Devastating information here:
    Air Photo Evidence
    JOHN CLIVE BALL
    http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html

  85. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Wizard of Oz
    Someone with your certainties and the knowledge that they are contested by people who regard them as important, as you do, must surely have the evidence at his fingertips to back them up. So please, inform us of the basics like the populations of all the areas if Eastern Europe, Soviet Union, France, Belgium,Holland, Yugoslavia etc that Germany invaded, plus Germany, Italy and Austria, by ethnicity as recorded by census and otherwise starting in the late 20s and ending in the 50s. Then we can move on to how dead died.

    The onus is upon the accuser, you. That’s a basic law of jurisprudence.
    It’s on you to prove your claims, but do see:

    ‘J. Graf and the illogical canard: ‘Where did Jews go then?’ / & more’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272

    Imagine in a real/legit court of law someone claiming that millions of people were murdered and dumped into mass graves, but then could not produce the mass graves. They would be laughed out of court.

    In fact you are simply dodging the obvious.
    The ‘holocaust’ storyline says the 6M Jews & 5M others’ were murdered in known, very centralized locations.
    Please show us actual excavations, with contents displayed, verified for the enormous mass graves that are alleged.
    We’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000
    But note that there is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka) even though Jews claim to know exactly where these allegedly enormous mass graves are.

    see this take down of a fraudulent, laughable Zionist non-excavation of Treblinka:
    ‘Mass Graves claimed to be found at Treblinka’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6804

    for more see real science, real forensics, real logic:
    Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4111

    Thanks.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    If you want to engage in barrack room lawyer debate then I merely point out that you can be described as the accuser becsuse you are alleging a massive fraud and conspiracy. But that cod legalese is silly stuff and I want to get back to one of the basic lines of enquiry that needs to be followed in order to have some firm foundation for opposing received opinion about the reality of the Holocaust as a development of Hitler's and other Nazis policies motivated by hatred of Jews (in particular). I have just been watching an interesting documentary on Herman Goering's younger brother Albert, an anti-Nazi and protector of Jews. It is the credible facts which come up in stories which are not about the Holocaust which are the most unassailable evidence of the Nazis' will to achieve the Final Solution by whatever means and when one adds the well attested accounts of the SS attempts to destroy the evidence it serms to me that the numbers question should be tested by starting with the questions I posed. If there were only 3 million 1940 Jews missing in 1945 then of course I will agree that the 6 million figure is a gross exaggeration and clearly a deep disappointment for Nazis.
  86. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    You will not, because you cannot, indicate what's wrong with the report from 1946. It doesn't fit your narrative so you hand wave it. Typical.

    There is no ‘report, only a communist claim of it. It’s completely laughable.
    You have not, cannot shown the actual “report”, if you could you would.

    Actually show it, not allege it.
    Not a single verification of this communist propaganda:
    - no photos,
    - no forensics,
    - no verification of the absurd “900,000 Jews”
    - no mass graves & their contents show

    If this communist report was real we’d be seeing it 24/7 in the Zionist dominated media. We do not, for good reasons.

    see this take down of a fraudulent, laughable Zionist non-excavation of Treblinka:
    ‘Mass Graves claimed to be found at Treblinka’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6804

    I win again.

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  87. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    John Ball demolished:

    http://www.nizkor.org/features/ball-challenge/

    Classic Zionist BS refuted with ease.

    see here for the demolition of the altered photographs:

    ‘Reconnaissance photo of Auschwitz showing smoke’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10357

    more:
    Critique of Claims Made by Robert Jan Van Pelt
    by Germar Rudolf

    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RudolfOnVanPelt.html

    example:

    http://www.vho.org/GB/c/GR/RvP2.jpg

    and:
    Devastating information here:
    Air Photo Evidence
    JOHN CLIVE BALL

    http://vho.org/GB/Books/dth/fndaerial.html

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  88. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Be prepared for a list of CODOH links with no explanation, follows by an invitation to debate there and some name calling and bull baiting. I'd bet my life on it.

    Before moving on to the next thread / opportunity, since I’ve clearly won this one, now read this.

    Below is the desperate behavior of another deranged Zionist who wants to silence free speech & inquiry.

    Criminal Zionist Andrew Mathis, aka: ‘Thames Darwin’ and ‘Rejoining Ash’ is a stalking violence advocating hasbara Jew, he has threatened physical violence against Revisionists, he posts pictures, addresses, phone nos. of those he wants attacked.
    He has left threatening voicemail messages, on & on. All of this illegal activity is documented, recorded, and saved by many, it’s ironclad.

    Such are those who fear free speech.

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    Andrew Mathis, who also posts as ‘Thames Darwin’ and ‘Rejoining Ash’ is demolished here:

    Internet extremist Andrew Mathis admits to collecting IP’s!

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=6975

    ‘Is 1% too much to ask?’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10206

    ‘Mass Graves / Serniki’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6763

    ‘Himmler’s note infers Hitler knew of liquidation?’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2143

    ‘Alleged “mass graves” according to T. Darwin / Andrew Mathis’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9414

    ‘Andrew Mathis on Dachau, Majdanek, Auschwitz, Treblinka’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9228

    Andrew Mathis, who also posts as ‘Thames Darwin’, gets shot down again:
    Anecdotal evidence & “holocaust survivors”

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9238

    holocaust’ denial article by Andrew Mathis debunked here’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2816

    ‘Prof. Mc Nally dissects HHP’s Andrew Mathis’ bogus article’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2841

    ‘Holo. Hist. Proj.’s Andrew Mathis on Zyklon scent removal’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2499

    ‘Green, Mathis refuted / cyanide: lice, humans, & more’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=267

    ‘Believer org. spokesman, Andrew Mathis, demolished in debate’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=254

    ‘Holo. Hist. Proj.’s Andrew Mathis attempts damage control’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=2498

    ‘Email from Andrew Mathis (The Holocaust History Project)’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=1526

    ‘holocaust’ History Project to unveil section on Treblinka’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=280

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  89. @AmericanaCON
    There have been a long list of candidates since Barry Goldwater lost in 1964 who had promoted anti-establishment ideas and all of them have lost other than Ronald Reagan and he sold out when he stepped into the White House in 1980. If you listen to Trump he is slowly backing down on most of his positions. At the Convention at Cleveland you will be presented with a watered down alternative. He has to because his donors (it not the GOP establishment) will change most of his positions. When Trump backs down Hillary will fire at him and push him into a corner – meaning Trump will (in his way) apologize for his previous positions on immigration, trade and intervention in foreign countries.

    I think the temporary Muslim-ban is the first position Trump will desert as it was idiotic from the very start. The mainstream media, academia, government, finance, politicians and non-government organizations will than attack Trump. The only reason why Trump is alive and kicking is because he has not yet backed down yet. This is why the U.S (and worlds) establishment fears him. Donald Trump has a few activists on twitter and Breitbart on his side. He has also a few million voters and a few endorsements from a handful of politicians and celebrities. The far-left Bernie people will not come out for Trump. Leftist don’t vote for conservatives or nationalists. Donald Trump talk and talk but does he walk the walk? No, he doesn’t! Trump can be happy if he receives more than 35 percent in the upcoming election

    Trump is what happens when you allow the white trash to vote. They don’t vote for serious candidates like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul.

    Trump is what happens when you let the crazies race bait the president and say and do nothing to oppose it and when you obstruct every initiative the president makes, even if it’s an initiative from within your own bloc (Obamacare), and when you lose on these issues, as in 2012, doubling down instead of reassessing.

    What exactly did the GOP think was going to happen? How else, exactly, does this whole strategy end, if not this way? When you gerrymander yourself into office and then curtail voting rights to keep yourself there, the only direction you can move in is further to the margins because you don’t face real opposition from the other political party. So the GOP ended up a bunch of ignoramuses not knowing how people felt about things, egging on the worse instincts of its base instead of discouraging such behavior. It’s almost a textbook example of how to push a polity into extremism.

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    • Replies: @AmericanaCON
    Sure, the Conservative Inc. (such as; Fox News, National Review, The Blaze and the rest of them) and the GOP politicians have been using race-baiting idiom and Protestant idiom for decades to sweep voters to the Republican Party. The idea is to appeal to white identity and white people’s ethnocentrism ant to white Christians. They have been most successful among the skilled white working class, male white college-educated lower middle class and Christians. The Democrats use feminism, multiculturalism and affirmative action to appeal to minorities and women’s identity. They have been most successful among minorities, unskilled (people which in contemporary America are depended on government programs), women (in general), students and female white lower-middle class. More so, they have support among the urban upper-middle class and the very wealthy. The last they seem to share with the GOP. When in office GOP gives small handouts such as some laws restriction abortion and LGBT-rights while the Democratic Party promotes laws against “hate speech” and gives welfare to minorities.

    Both parties are internationalists and support “open borders”, “free trade”, “intervention in foreign countries”, Israeli/Saudi far-right politics and Wall Street interests. Because of both parties hyper-internationalism on immigration the demographics has rapidly changed. In 1955 was 70 percent of US population protestants (the majority mainland) and 88 percent were non-Hispanic whites. Today, only 38 percent of the US population is Protestant (only a fraction are mainland Christians) while just over 60 percent are non-Hispanic whites. Because of both parties hyper-internationalism on trade most of “flyover country” in part deserted because of closing of factories. It applies from Massachusetts to the outskirts of St. Louis. Although, many African-American ghettos like Cabrini Green Projects have been torn down - the colored poverty has just been moved out the suburbs. The impoverished whites live small towns. The liberals (and in lesser extent Republicans) claims that they are revitalize the core-cities and raise the standard of living when what they really do is to promote gentrification – meaning upper-middle class whites and Asians replacing African-Americans.

    When GOP and the Democrats are asked questions they answer them in a different way. When GOP is asked about the horrible state of the economy they give the usual neo-conservative answer. They blame “Radical Islamists”, lower strata of government workers such as teachers (sometimes justified) and poor people. When the Democrats are asked about the state of economy they blame white men from the working and lower middle class. Clinton goes was asked if she would break up the banks she responded; “Do we stop sexism and racism by breaking up banks?” However, in times of crisis the politicians on both parties can blame “greedy” financial institutions but refrain from actually give real criticism aimed at the technical aspects or follow their comment with a solution.

    The reason why the politicians (not only in United States but in Europe and a few Asian countries such as the Philippines – who just elected a National-Conservative politician who don’t buy into Neo-Conservatism (regarding the Muslim separatists), Neo-Liberal and “progressive” solutions) are worried is because of the rise of nationalism and rejection of hyper-globalization. The neo-liberal regime tends to like “circular migration” and “circular capital” because they want to be able to replace domestic “expensive workers” with cheap labour and move their capital around (meaning moving their own wealth but also their corporations) around without much interference from government. National-Conservative do obviously not.

    Berne Sanders is just like the parties in the GUE/NGL group in the European parliament. They are semi-insiders but has somewhat rejected part of the establishment. It is either manifested through harsh taxation of the rich and expansion of the welfare state or in Sanders case a slight rejection of free trade. The elites find them a menace but not a fatal blow as they are progressives on immigration which balkanize the electorate and contribute to dumping on wages. However, they do fear their hostility towards Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and sometimes supranational organization such as the European Union or multilateral organizations such as NATO. The National-Conservatives are something different because they are outsider (although some have been able to form government together with the establishment center-right) because they threat most of the neo-liberal agenda.

    Donald Trump is something fairly unique (although common in Eastern Europe) because he was an insider who became a “semi-insider”. I guess he in part similar to Bernie Sanders who once also was an insider looking at his track-record in congress. Although, Trump or Sanders will not win there failure will raise the stakes for the GOP and Democratic elites. What will happen is that the elites will become more “radical” which will push voters into a corner and the social, economic and ethnic conflicts will grow in size and importance among the electorate. The Trump voters will go to the right and adopt more a more nationalist outlook on US politics. The Bernie supporters will go the left. I think they will in push identity politics (feminism and multiculturalism) to the side and become more socialist oriented. The minorities will become more aggressive and push further for identity politics which can be seen in the Black Lives Matter movement. The American elite are really on deep water.
  90. @Wally
    One cannot deny what could not have happened.

    It's good to see all the interest here, just what is needed to stop dangerous Zionism.

    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000
    But note that there is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka) even though Jews claim to know exactly where these allegedly enormous mass graves are.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    There’s no interest here. The Holocaust deniers who yes ma’am your posts were Holocaust deniers long before you.

    If you weren’t such terrible terrible human beings, Holocaust deniers would be amusing–like flat earthers.

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    • Agree: Andrew E. Mathis
    • Replies: @Wally
    Laughable, you are directly from The Hasbara Handbook

    So IOW, you cannot refute our work and are afraid to even dare try.

    I assume you believe other impossible events like witchcraft.

    Your impossible '6M' religion is dying as we speak, get over it.

    'The Six Million, Six Million Times / beginning in 1869'
    see: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6915

    http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k598/WhiteWolf722/TheSixMillionMyth.jpg

  91. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Talk about unhinged, this is it.
    Unfortunately it is typical of the mentally challenged nature of Zionists. Read on.

    Now they can say ‘God made me lie’.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2016/05/09/israeli-civics-text-credits-god-for-creation-of-state-barely-mentions-arabs/

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    Israeli Civics Text Credits God for Creation of State, Barely Mentions Arabs

    The Israeli Education Ministry has raised eyebrows with its new civics textbook, designed for the nation’s secular school system. The book, called “Being a Citizen in Israel,” makes repeated mentions to God as being behind the founding of Israel in 1948, and cites Bible passages as justification. [IOW: relgious fanaticism]

    The book openly defends Israel’s status as a “Jewish nation state,” cheering the nation’s ethno-cultural nationalism as wholly appropriate, and repeatedly mentions the [laughably impossible] Holocaust as well, in reference to the importance of Israel’s existence as a Jewish-dominated state..

    Adding to the controversy, the book includes only a single chapter covering all of Israel’s religious minorities, and centers primarily on the Druze, insisting that they are loyal to the state and don’t identify as Arabs. Israel’s huge Muslim minority, however, gets two whole sentences in the entire book, one of which accuses them of “oppressing women” and the other simply pointing out that they make up 83% of Israel’s minorities overall.

    It is noteworthy that the accusations against Muslims are one of very few references to women in the entire book, which makes no references to ongoing debates in Israeli society about the status of women in ultra-Orthodox communities.

    Israel’s current Education Minister is Naftali Bennett, of the far-right “Jewish Home” party. Officials defended the book’s contents, insisting that several Arab editors had reviewed and approved its contents, though notably, not a single Arab was named in the book’s extensive credits.

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  92. I do think protectionism can be beneficial in many scenarios, but I would like to see Eamonn Fingleton address this particular argument sometime:

    What the mainstream press has missed, however, is that on a per-capita basis, real Japanese incomes have been doing fine in recent years, and so have living standards.

    By both GDP (PPP) per capita or Numbeo’s living standards measures, Japanese incomes are 2/3 of those of the US.

    That is not even going into the fact that Japan’s human capital is significantly higher than America’s.

    Japanese dominance in hi-tech manufacturing has been something that’s been discussed since the 1980s. Yet a generation hence and it still doesn’t appear to be reflected in living standards.

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    There is little doubt, on an output basis, the U.S exceeds Japan, Germany and most industrialised countries, whether one uses nominal or real per capita measures. The result holds for personal and family incomes as well, since the incidence of taxes are relatively low.

    For a country this vast in size, the U.S. is strikingly productive in total [main reasons are fairly obvious; foremost, the contribution of capital input to growth, which being higher, and the U.S. being ruthlessly efficient in its application of the result, leads unsurprisingly to a higher total output, and [not inevitably], a larger portion accruing to capital and its rather inexorable climb higher. :-)

    Yet intriguingly, the U.S, remains the most powerful magnet for labour of all stripes, which in itself explains our current condition, where establishment candidates for the presidency are being rejected on account of their promotion of open-door policies.

    On the other hand, the U.S. is left dearly wanting on measures of overall satisfaction. It mostly has to do with inequality of wealth and income [one can use GINI to get a rough idea], where Piketty's insights into the pernicious effects of long term inequality, are perhaps rather revealing.
  93. @Eamonn Fingleton
    You write:

    An easy google search of OECD stats shows that in per capita GDP, the Danes are behind the U.S. by 20%! Americans create over $10,000 per resident per year more than Denmark.
     
    Google seems to have let you down. The latest OECD figures show that Denmark's per-capita GDP averaged $60,718.40 between 2011 and 2015 inclusive. That was more than 11 percent higher than America's figure of a mere $54,629.50.

    Now compare those figures with Danish prices.

    The Scandinavians I know who come to the US tend to stock up on $1000s worth of electronics while they’re here for themselves and relatives back home.

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  94. Wally [AKA "BobbyBeGood"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Boris
    There's no interest here. The Holocaust deniers who yes ma'am your posts were Holocaust deniers long before you.

    If you weren't such terrible terrible human beings, Holocaust deniers would be amusing--like flat earthers.

    Laughable, you are directly from The Hasbara Handbook

    So IOW, you cannot refute our work and are afraid to even dare try.

    I assume you believe other impossible events like witchcraft.

    Your impossible ’6M’ religion is dying as we speak, get over it.

    ‘The Six Million, Six Million Times / beginning in 1869′
    see: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6915

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  95. @Wally
    The onus is upon the accuser, you. That's a basic law of jurisprudence.
    It's on you to prove your claims, but do see:

    'J. Graf and the illogical canard: 'Where did Jews go then?' / & more'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=8272

    Imagine in a real/legit court of law someone claiming that millions of people were murdered and dumped into mass graves, but then could not produce the mass graves. They would be laughed out of court.

    In fact you are simply dodging the obvious.
    The 'holocaust' storyline says the 6M Jews & 5M others' were murdered in known, very centralized locations.
    Please show us actual excavations, with contents displayed, verified for the enormous mass graves that are alleged.
    We're talking about an alleged '6M Jews & 5M others' ... 11,000,000
    But note that there is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka) even though Jews claim to know exactly where these allegedly enormous mass graves are.

    see this take down of a fraudulent, laughable Zionist non-excavation of Treblinka:
    'Mass Graves claimed to be found at Treblinka'
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6804

    for more see real science, real forensics, real logic:
    Cyanide Chemistry at Auschwitz
    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4111

    Thanks.

    If you want to engage in barrack room lawyer debate then I merely point out that you can be described as the accuser becsuse you are alleging a massive fraud and conspiracy. But that cod legalese is silly stuff and I want to get back to one of the basic lines of enquiry that needs to be followed in order to have some firm foundation for opposing received opinion about the reality of the Holocaust as a development of Hitler’s and other Nazis policies motivated by hatred of Jews (in particular). I have just been watching an interesting documentary on Herman Goering’s younger brother Albert, an anti-Nazi and protector of Jews. It is the credible facts which come up in stories which are not about the Holocaust which are the most unassailable evidence of the Nazis’ will to achieve the Final Solution by whatever means and when one adds the well attested accounts of the SS attempts to destroy the evidence it serms to me that the numbers question should be tested by starting with the questions I posed. If there were only 3 million 1940 Jews missing in 1945 then of course I will agree that the 6 million figure is a gross exaggeration and clearly a deep disappointment for Nazis.

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  96. @Anatoly Karlin
    I do think protectionism can be beneficial in many scenarios, but I would like to see Eamonn Fingleton address this particular argument sometime:

    What the mainstream press has missed, however, is that on a per-capita basis, real Japanese incomes have been doing fine in recent years, and so have living standards.
     
    By both GDP (PPP) per capita or Numbeo's living standards measures, Japanese incomes are 2/3 of those of the US.

    That is not even going into the fact that Japan's human capital is significantly higher than America's.

    Japanese dominance in hi-tech manufacturing has been something that's been discussed since the 1980s. Yet a generation hence and it still doesn't appear to be reflected in living standards.

    There is little doubt, on an output basis, the U.S exceeds Japan, Germany and most industrialised countries, whether one uses nominal or real per capita measures. The result holds for personal and family incomes as well, since the incidence of taxes are relatively low.

    For a country this vast in size, the U.S. is strikingly productive in total [main reasons are fairly obvious; foremost, the contribution of capital input to growth, which being higher, and the U.S. being ruthlessly efficient in its application of the result, leads unsurprisingly to a higher total output, and [not inevitably], a larger portion accruing to capital and its rather inexorable climb higher. :-)

    Yet intriguingly, the U.S, remains the most powerful magnet for labour of all stripes, which in itself explains our current condition, where establishment candidates for the presidency are being rejected on account of their promotion of open-door policies.

    On the other hand, the U.S. is left dearly wanting on measures of overall satisfaction. It mostly has to do with inequality of wealth and income [one can use GINI to get a rough idea], where Piketty’s insights into the pernicious effects of long term inequality, are perhaps rather revealing.

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  97. @Chinook Wind
    The expression "deep six" does not derive from sports, it's referring to the depth of a grave
    before the deceased is lowered. Six feet deep.

    Thank ynu very much. It makes sense.

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  98. AmericanaCON [AKA "Jolie Pepperdine"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Andrew E. Mathis
    Trump is what happens when you let the crazies race bait the president and say and do nothing to oppose it and when you obstruct every initiative the president makes, even if it's an initiative from within your own bloc (Obamacare), and when you lose on these issues, as in 2012, doubling down instead of reassessing.

    What exactly did the GOP think was going to happen? How else, exactly, does this whole strategy end, if not this way? When you gerrymander yourself into office and then curtail voting rights to keep yourself there, the only direction you can move in is further to the margins because you don't face real opposition from the other political party. So the GOP ended up a bunch of ignoramuses not knowing how people felt about things, egging on the worse instincts of its base instead of discouraging such behavior. It's almost a textbook example of how to push a polity into extremism.

    Sure, the Conservative Inc. (such as; Fox News, National Review, The Blaze and the rest of them) and the GOP politicians have been using race-baiting idiom and Protestant idiom for decades to sweep voters to the Republican Party. The idea is to appeal to white identity and white people’s ethnocentrism ant to white Christians. They have been most successful among the skilled white working class, male white college-educated lower middle class and Christians. The Democrats use feminism, multiculturalism and affirmative action to appeal to minorities and women’s identity. They have been most successful among minorities, unskilled (people which in contemporary America are depended on government programs), women (in general), students and female white lower-middle class. More so, they have support among the urban upper-middle class and the very wealthy. The last they seem to share with the GOP. When in office GOP gives small handouts such as some laws restriction abortion and LGBT-rights while the Democratic Party promotes laws against “hate speech” and gives welfare to minorities.

    Both parties are internationalists and support “open borders”, “free trade”, “intervention in foreign countries”, Israeli/Saudi far-right politics and Wall Street interests. Because of both parties hyper-internationalism on immigration the demographics has rapidly changed. In 1955 was 70 percent of US population protestants (the majority mainland) and 88 percent were non-Hispanic whites. Today, only 38 percent of the US population is Protestant (only a fraction are mainland Christians) while just over 60 percent are non-Hispanic whites. Because of both parties hyper-internationalism on trade most of “flyover country” in part deserted because of closing of factories. It applies from Massachusetts to the outskirts of St. Louis. Although, many African-American ghettos like Cabrini Green Projects have been torn down – the colored poverty has just been moved out the suburbs. The impoverished whites live small towns. The liberals (and in lesser extent Republicans) claims that they are revitalize the core-cities and raise the standard of living when what they really do is to promote gentrification – meaning upper-middle class whites and Asians replacing African-Americans.

    When GOP and the Democrats are asked questions they answer them in a different way. When GOP is asked about the horrible state of the economy they give the usual neo-conservative answer. They blame “Radical Islamists”, lower strata of government workers such as teachers (sometimes justified) and poor people. When the Democrats are asked about the state of economy they blame white men from the working and lower middle class. Clinton goes was asked if she would break up the banks she responded; “Do we stop sexism and racism by breaking up banks?” However, in times of crisis the politicians on both parties can blame “greedy” financial institutions but refrain from actually give real criticism aimed at the technical aspects or follow their comment with a solution.

    The reason why the politicians (not only in United States but in Europe and a few Asian countries such as the Philippines – who just elected a National-Conservative politician who don’t buy into Neo-Conservatism (regarding the Muslim separatists), Neo-Liberal and “progressive” solutions) are worried is because of the rise of nationalism and rejection of hyper-globalization. The neo-liberal regime tends to like “circular migration” and “circular capital” because they want to be able to replace domestic “expensive workers” with cheap labour and move their capital around (meaning moving their own wealth but also their corporations) around without much interference from government. National-Conservative do obviously not.

    Berne Sanders is just like the parties in the GUE/NGL group in the European parliament. They are semi-insiders but has somewhat rejected part of the establishment. It is either manifested through harsh taxation of the rich and expansion of the welfare state or in Sanders case a slight rejection of free trade. The elites find them a menace but not a fatal blow as they are progressives on immigration which balkanize the electorate and contribute to dumping on wages. However, they do fear their hostility towards Israel, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and sometimes supranational organization such as the European Union or multilateral organizations such as NATO. The National-Conservatives are something different because they are outsider (although some have been able to form government together with the establishment center-right) because they threat most of the neo-liberal agenda.

    Donald Trump is something fairly unique (although common in Eastern Europe) because he was an insider who became a “semi-insider”. I guess he in part similar to Bernie Sanders who once also was an insider looking at his track-record in congress. Although, Trump or Sanders will not win there failure will raise the stakes for the GOP and Democratic elites. What will happen is that the elites will become more “radical” which will push voters into a corner and the social, economic and ethnic conflicts will grow in size and importance among the electorate. The Trump voters will go to the right and adopt more a more nationalist outlook on US politics. The Bernie supporters will go the left. I think they will in push identity politics (feminism and multiculturalism) to the side and become more socialist oriented. The minorities will become more aggressive and push further for identity politics which can be seen in the Black Lives Matter movement. The American elite are really on deep water.

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  99. @CanSpeccy
    Western elites are not wrong about the economy, they just don't care about the economy as a source of income to the masses. What they care about is the continued concentration of wealth under their own control or the control of those who pull their strings.

    That their policies undermine Western prosperity and power means nothing to them. The end game is global governance mediated by local governments subject to corporate control via trade agreements, and global institutions such as the UN, the WTO, the EU, etc.

    Hence Obama's notice to the British: "sovereignty is obsolete." And that means American sovereignty too.

    The key question about Trump is whether he is a true American patriot or a covert Treason Party alternative to the discredited Bush-Clinton duopoly. The answer to that question will likely determine not only the fate of the European people as a racial and cultural group, but whether we are to have peace or war with Russia and China.

    “The key question about Trump is whether he is a true American patriot or a covert Treason Party alternative to the discredited Bush-Clinton duopoly. ”

    Raised in Queens, he shifted the focus of the family real estate operation from the outer boroughs to Manhattan. His college education was at Fordham and Penn (Wharton School.) He’s been heavily involved in crony capitalism all his adult life.

    I think the answer’s obvious.

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  100. @Rob89
    "Thatcher closed the giant Ravenscraig steel mill in the 80s, and permitted the Chinese (who than had no steel industry) to come to Scotland, aset (sic) strip the plant, get the know-how and ship both off to China. The rest is very sorry history." Unquote.

    The problem with that story is that the Ravenscraig steelworks, operated by Colvilles and from 1967 by British Steel, went belly up in 1992 and was demolished in 1996, not in the 80s. (Source Wikipedia)

    China underwent rapid economic industrialisation since Deng Xiaoping's capitalist reforms, which took place 38 years ago in 1978. 'To be rich is glorious' he pontificated.

    The Chinese steel industry gradually increased its output. China's annual crude steel output was only 100 million tons in 1996. By 2014, China's steel crude steel production was more that the steel production in the US, EU and Japan combined, an astonishing 822.7 million tons.

    From 2008 to 2010, the 3 iron ore monopolies, Rio Tinto, BHP Billiton and Vale, laughed all the way to the bank as each ton of DSO (direction shipping ores) with 65% iron content, was priced-fixed at US$150 a ton FOB.

    That nearly killed the goose that laid the Golden Eggs and China strategically trimmed down its over-capacity, sending the price of iron ores plummeting to as low as US$39 a ton in 2014/15.

    Imagine what the world would be today if China had kept the invention of the Magnetic Compass and Gunpowder as a closely-guarded National secret, eons ago?

    Without the Magnet Compass, could Columbus set sail to Cathay, only to lose his way and ending up discovering islands in the Caribbean, which led to the discovery of the Americas by Amerigo and the Spanish Conquistadors and paved the way for the plundering, looting of gold and silver and the slaughtering of the tens of millions of Natives?

    Without the Magnet Compass, could Britannia rule the waves instead of the waiving the rules in 2003 by invading Iraq, based on lies of WMD, invented by Colin Powell, under the egregious war on terror excuse by George W Bush and his pal, Tony Blair, both whom are yet to be indicted to the ICJ for war crimes?

    Without gunpowder, could the West colonize over half the world?

    Abe has trashed Article 9 of Japan’s Peace Constitution and will be exporting military hardware, as exports of consumer goods swooned of late. He tried, in vain, to sell qty 12 Soryu subs to Australia, (a competitive bid which was won by France on April 26) and if you want surprises wait till Japans roll out a 5th Generation Fighter, using a 787 composite wing and GE engine clones plus Raytheon weapons delivery systems, which will make the F35 Turkey (Russian military code-name) obsolete.

    It is probably true that China may have gleaned the industrial-scale steel-making technology from the West but, hey, the adage is that 'All's Fair in Love and War' and there is a price for everything, even technology.

    Totally agree.The tendency of many to critique Asian ingenuity is belied by the education level of Asians,who consistently beat American education standards.
    China has transformed itself into the worlds leading economic powerhouse,with the results to prove it.
    Check out the Pearl river delta story in the Graun from last week.
    Simply amazing.

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  101. @Rob89
    "When was the last war in which it not the aggressor?"

    I guess you could say it was the Pacific War, which was started by the Japanese after the invasion of Korea 1904, Manchuria 1931, China 1937, and finally the sneak bombing of Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941 and the invasion of South East Asia and the Pacific islands.

    Britain was caught with her knickers down when the Japanese invaded Malaya and Singapore, both were colonies of the Brits, after the wily Japanese sank the HMS Repulse and Prince of Wales in the sea off East Malaya, which ominously sealed the fate of the British Empire.

    Over 70,000 British troops were taken prisoners by the advancing Japanese troops without putting up a great fight, as Churchill was prepared to sacrifice the colonies in Malaya and Singapore to defend good old England against the onslaught from Adolf Hitler's Third Reich.

    After ww2 former British colonies like India, Ceylon, Burma, Malaya, Brunei and Singapore had their independence and in mid 1960s, Britain withdrew all the garrisons East of Suez.

    Hong Kong was a different story. The island was ceded to Britain in perpetuity after the Opium Wars by the Qing warlords (who themselves were invaders of China) but since the island had no water, the Brits negotiated and leased the New Territories for 99 years.

    China honored the treaty but refused to renew the 99 year lease, which ended on 30 June 1997, despite Margaret Thatcher making a big fuss in Beijing.

    But Deng Xiaoping (To be rich is glorious) steadfastly refused to renew the lease of the New territory, though China would honor the treaty and allow Britain to keep Hong Island in perpetuity, as ceded.

    Thatcher knew the game was over as without water and the hinterland, Hong Kong island was just a hopeless British garrison and she opted to return Hong Kong island to China, in return for 50 years of capitalism (one country, two system), which ends in 2047.

    On July 1st, 1997, the Union Jack was lowered for the last time, while the Chinese Red Flag was raised and unfurled into the wind. Prince Charles (the chinless wonder) and Chris Patten, the last Governor, left Hong Kong with stiff upper lips and sailed home, empty handed.

    Thatcher, the doyen of the British Right, made an absolute balls of the negotiations with the PRC about extending the lease. One really has to wonder about the quality (or lack thereof) of the politicos and civil service types around her.
    Hong Kong worked well– worked well for Britain, worked well for the PRC as they could, and had, sold lots of stuff and cut many deals through HK even during Mao’s mad Cultural Revoltion and other Commie insanities. It also worked really well for Hong Kongers who were (and still are) very pro-British.
    The only interregnum to British rule had been the Shinto- brainwashed Nips, which gave them an insight into the benign nature of British colonialism lacking in other parts of the Empire.
    And they certainly didn’t want The Red Dragon in the driving seat.
    The PRC were gung-ho for a renegotiated deal, but Thatcher let her ego and her Iron Lady image rule her, with the predictable disastrous results consequent to giving Orientals no way to save the all-important “face”.

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