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    Liberals are supposed to be antiwar, right? I went to college in the 1960s, when students nationwide were rising up in opposition to the Vietnam War. I was a Young Republican back then and supported the war through sheer ignorance and dislike of the sanctimoniousness of the protesters, some of whom were surely making their...
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    Well, I think we know which ethnic group (many of that group's members, not all) wants the US to fight endless wars in the Middle East of behalf of a certain little Middle Eastern country and which wants the US to destroy Russia.

    Hint: That ethnic group is not Christian.

    Question: When will Christian Americans take back their country and stop pandering to that ethnic group?

    I have tried to be tactful.

    Churches are not allowed by law to stand up or they get their tax cuts taken away. Churches are exempt from some taxes.

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  • The problem now is there is no middle class. It was literally ripped apart by the left and right caving in and forming their own one world system. The people who knew how to make things are either dying or dead. This generation for the most part wants lazyness and everything handed to them. They believe the US Government “owes” them something.

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  • We are like 1940 all over again with run away Tarrifs and Europe being an awful mess. The purpose of Tarrifs is that by making things more expensive overseas people will be forced to make in America again. There is almost nothing made in America. Half our own military equipment is made in China and assembled here.

    It got so confusing that a law was passed that if a sticker said “Made in America” then it was but it was the sticker that was made in the US because parts from different countries would go into one machine.

    The problem lies that big corporations believe machines should break after warranty so people will keep (re) buying broken junk. Oliver Twist was about the Industrial age revolting when machines were taking over and skilled workers were worried about quality going away as any object was done by one or two human workers with their hands guiding tools.

    They stopped protesting when it was agreed that machines would not ruin quality but preserve it by doing the same things and getting higher wages for operating the machines.

    In the 1960s and onwards big companies collaborated that machines shouldn’t be so good as to mimic human hands or nobody would buy anything so decided to purposely make machines defective after a certain date. There is a term for that I can’t remember but describes what it means.

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  • @Sparkon
    Yes, and pacifist sentiments and antiwar activities in the United States go back even further to at least the so-called American Civil War, and we really should not be surprised; after all, what sane person wants war?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_American_Civil_War

    After WWI, Gen. Butler's book War is a Racket and his nationwide speaking tours helped educate the public about war profiteers, and the strong-arm tactics of big business, which led to formation of the Nye Committee:

    The so-called “Senate Munitions Committee” came into being because of widespread reports that manufacturers of armaments had unduly influenced the American decision to enter the war in 1917. These weapons’ suppliers had reaped enormous profits at the cost of more than 53,000 American battle deaths. As local conflicts reignited in Europe through the early 1930s, suggesting the possibility of a second world war, concern spread that these “merchants of death” would again drag the United States into a struggle that was none of its business. The time had come for a full congressional inquiry.
    [...]
    The investigation came to an abrupt end early in 1936. The Senate cut off committee funding after Chairman Nye blundered into an attack on the late Democratic President Woodrow Wilson. Nye suggested that Wilson had withheld essential information from Congress as it considered a declaration of war. Democratic leaders, including Appropriations Committee Chairman Carter Glass of Virginia, unleashed a furious response against Nye for “dirtdaubing the sepulcher of Woodrow Wilson.” Standing before cheering colleagues in a packed Senate Chamber, Glass slammed his fist onto his desk until blood dripped from his knuckles.
     
    https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/merchants_of_death.htm

    In his speech to Congress on April 2, 1917, President Wilson had claimed that the SS Sussex had been sunk by the Germans. Four days later, the United States declared war on Germany. It wasn't until later, when U.S. troops were fighting in Europe, that some of the truth about the Sussex emerged. The ship had not been sunk, but had wallowed into port after being torpedoed.

    Far from blundering in his attack on Wilson, Rep. Gerald Nye was right on the money, but he learned what Sen. Joe McCarthy was to learn two decades later:

    The truth alone may not suffice.

    I wrote:

    In his speech to Congress on April 2, 1917, President Wilson had claimed that the SS Sussex had been sunk by the Germans.

    That is incorrect. I have checked this speech
    Address to a Joint Session of Congress Requesting a Declaration of War Against Germany,
    and there is no mention of the Sussex in it.

    Wilson merely mentions submarines eight times, including:

    Because submarines are in effect outlaws when used as the German submarines have been used against merchant shipping,

    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=65366

    Wilson did cite the Sussex in his Address to a Joint Session of Congress on German Violations of International Law, April 19, 1916:

    One of the latest and most shocking instances of this method of warfare was that of the destruction of the French cross-Channel steamer Sussex . It must stand forth, as the sinking of the steamer Lusitania did, as so singularly tragical and unjustifiable as to constitute a truly terrible example of the inhumanity of submarine warfare as the commanders of German vessels have for the past twelvemonth been conducting it.

    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=65390

    And of course we know that the Sussex, though damaged, did not sink, and wallowed to port, where it was photographed.

    ‘Just to set the record straight. Thanks.

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  • @John D
    Philip:

    When were you at Ft. Leonard Wood? In 1969 I was in BCT there from June to August, then in AIT to October.

    John D.

    July through September 1968 for BCT followed by Intel School at Ft Holabird in Baltimore October through March 69.

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  • Philip:

    When were you at Ft. Leonard Wood? In 1969 I was in BCT there from June to August, then in AIT to October.

    John D.

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    July through September 1968 for BCT followed by Intel School at Ft Holabird in Baltimore October through March 69.
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  • @annamaria
    Lets see if the US "progressives" will be able to "find Waldo" on this pic:
    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/01/27/chrystia-freeland-family-record-nazi-war-murder-cracow-jews.html

    "Chrystia Freeland, appointed last week to be the new Canadian Foreign Minister, claims that her maternal family were the Ukrainian victims of Russian persecution..
    The records now being opened by the Polish government in Warsaw reveal that Freeland’s maternal grandfather Michael (Mikhailo) Chomiak was a Nazi collaborator from the beginning to the end of the war. He was given a powerful post, money, home and car by the German Army in Cracow, then the capital of the German administration of the Galician region. His principal job was editor in chief and publisher of a newspaper the Nazis created. His printing plant and other assets had been stolen from a Jewish newspaper publisher, who was then sent to die in the Belzec concentration camp. During the German Army’s winning phase of the war, Chomiak celebrated in print the Wehrmacht’s “success” at killing thousands of US Army troops. As the German Army was forced into retreat by the Soviet counter-offensive, Chomiak was taken by the Germans to Vienna, where he continued to publish his Nazi propaganda, at the same time informing for the Germans on other Ukrainians. They included fellow Galician Stepan Bandera, whose racism against Russians Freeland has celebrated in print, and whom the current regime in Kiev has turned into a national hero."
    The progeny with the war criminal has a wonderful time with Groysman (Ukraine's Jewish PM) and Poroschenko (Ukraine's President). Birds of feather...

    The Germans killed “thousands of US troops” in 1941-42?

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Well, I think we know which ethnic group (many of that group’s members, not all) wants the US to fight endless wars in the Middle East of behalf of a certain little Middle Eastern country and which wants the US to destroy Russia.

    Hint: That ethnic group is not Christian.

    Question: When will Christian Americans take back their country and stop pandering to that ethnic group?

    I have tried to be tactful.

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    Churches are not allowed by law to stand up or they get their tax cuts taken away. Churches are exempt from some taxes.
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  • @Fran Macadam
    It's the Progressives who have trouble with Russian Orthodoxy, with their own LGBTQ pagan opposition, not evangelical Christians. Evangelical opposition in the past was to Soviet atheism, now long abolished. I speak as an evangelical who counted it a miracle for Russians to renounce that tyranny, although certainly not anticipating nor applauding the subsequent predatory and opportunistic Wall Street carpetbagger invasion that reduced the lives of ordinary Russians to penury. But then, evangelicals aren't those in power in the West, even though their support is sought with vague bromides that never come to pass. A lot voted for Trump, and aside from the economic distress which is very real for so many, Trump's message of not being hostile to non-communist Russia with its patina of state Christianity also resonated.

    I think you are omitting the slavish (and stupid) obedience the Bible-thumpers have towards Israel. Traditional Jewish hostility towards Russia plays a big role in all this, and being basically lapdogs, the southern evangelicals are right on board with this. (Fanatical pro-Zionism being about the only acceptable public outlet all cuckservatives have these days.)

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  • @Chris Bridges
    As usual, Mr. Giraldi has written an excellent article. He has left out the core reason for the insane anti-Russia crusade, however. Russia under Putin, a Russia trying to rebuild its historic Christian roots, is a standing affront to certain people (whether Putin is sincere or this is a cynical ploy by him to revive an authentic Russian nationalism is irrelevant). This turn towards the Russian past enrages a certain part of the Jewish community and, in particular, the spiritual and often literal descendants of the followers of Leon Trotsky. These are the people who brought us the Bolshevik Revolution. Stalin ran Trotsky out of Russia and then, slowly and incompletely, began to remove his followers from power as well. By the time the Soviet Union collapsed a tremendous tsunami of hatred towards Jews had built up in Russia - ordinary Russians understand perfectly well who staffed the Cheka and tried to wipe out their national existence. To be sure many Jews were entirely innocent of participation in Communist crimes and had not benefited over much from them, but that hardly matters in a charged situation such as the fall of an empire. Jews the world over (and especially in the U.S.) are hypersensitive to potential "threats" and they sure saw one in the new Russia. The Kristols in America have used pathetic dupes like McCain and Graham skillfully. They have also used the proverbial ignorance of Americans about world history to convince them that Russia today is the old USSR. It isn't and, in fact, we have no legitimate fight with Russia over anything. Ukraine's artificial borders hardly concern us and it is obvious that we were responsible for starting the Syrian "civil war", with Israel pulling the strings in Washington. These anti-Russian morons should just shut up.

    As bad as Stalin was, Trotsky would have been even worse, and (even if only instinctively) ordinary Russians understand this. Hence the not-inaccurate perception that Stalin saved Russian culture, if not civilization.

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  • @OutWest
    How do you distinguish screeching from their normal conversation?

    True, lol.

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  • LEFT, RIGHT, or OTHER — THE ELITE PROFIT FROM WAR

    Robert Higgs on policy:

    “As a general rule for understanding public policies, I insist that there are no persistent “failed” policies. Policies that so not achieve their desired outcomes for the actual powers-that-be are quickly changed. If you want to know why the U.S. policies have been what they have been for the past sixty years, you need only comply with that invaluable rule of inquiry in politics: follow the money.

    When you do so, I believe you will find U.S. policies in the Middle East to have been wildly successful, so successful that the gains they have produced for the movers and shakers in the petrochemical, financial, and weapons industries (which is approximately to say, for those who have the greatest influence in determining U.S. foreign policies) must surely be counted in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

    So U.S. soldiers get killed, so Palestinians get insulted, robbed, and confined to a set of squalid concentration areas, so the “peace process” never gets far from square one, etc., etc. — none of this makes the policies failures; these things are all surface froth, costs not born by the policy makers themselves but by the cannon-fodder masses, the bovine taxpayers at large, and foreigners who count for nothing.”

    Robert Higgs (from The Real Purpose of U.S. Mid-East Policies)

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  • @Bianca
    There is a reason for globalist elites to want to eliminate nation states, and it has nothing to do with ideology. Once the institutions of state are undermined and evicerated -- there is no more accountability. In a complex empire style construct, population no longer makes decisions, and has nobody to call to account for failures. In all empires some people get rich at the expense of disempowered population. We will ho back to slavery. It will be called something else. We have become complacent -- and almost lost our institutions to imperial slavery. We are still in danger, as population as a whole still does not grasp the danger. Thus rhe fury. It is like Russia in 2000, and Putin comes to power. All was set for a major theft of oil and gas resources. And stopped in its tracks. It took a while to sort it out, but the losers had a fit. And never stopped since.

    In a complex empire style construct, population no longer makes decisions

    Exactly.

    Let’s say it again.

    Global empire means death to the nation state and with it democracy, since it is only with control over local affairs that democracy has meaning.

    World government would, aside from being totally in the control of the money power, not give a damn about local interests. Indeed, it would proudly assert that it ruled in the interests of all humanity and that just because the ancestors of today’s Germans, or Canadians or Americans built up a nation with a huge store of capital in the form of infrastructure, institutions and an educated populace, there is no reason why the exploding population of the Third World should not move to the West and enjoy the fruits of the labor to which the toil and genius of their own ancestors did not contribute.

    Global democracy means wiping the European people’s from the face of the earth. Their fertility is collapsing, while their countries are being inundated by highly philoprogenetive Third Worlders, some openly declaring their intention to replace the European people, not by the sword but by the womb.

    This the Treason Party, the likes of Obama, Trudeau, Merkel, Blair and their many accomplices, well know — as do the media who as President Trump stated, “are the enemy of the people.”

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  • Lets see if the US “progressives” will be able to “find Waldo” on this pic:

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/01/27/chrystia-freeland-family-record-nazi-war-murder-cracow-jews.html

    “Chrystia Freeland, appointed last week to be the new Canadian Foreign Minister, claims that her maternal family were the Ukrainian victims of Russian persecution..
    The records now being opened by the Polish government in Warsaw reveal that Freeland’s maternal grandfather Michael (Mikhailo) Chomiak was a Nazi collaborator from the beginning to the end of the war. He was given a powerful post, money, home and car by the German Army in Cracow, then the capital of the German administration of the Galician region. His principal job was editor in chief and publisher of a newspaper the Nazis created. His printing plant and other assets had been stolen from a Jewish newspaper publisher, who was then sent to die in the Belzec concentration camp. During the German Army’s winning phase of the war, Chomiak celebrated in print the Wehrmacht’s “success” at killing thousands of US Army troops. As the German Army was forced into retreat by the Soviet counter-offensive, Chomiak was taken by the Germans to Vienna, where he continued to publish his Nazi propaganda, at the same time informing for the Germans on other Ukrainians. They included fellow Galician Stepan Bandera, whose racism against Russians Freeland has celebrated in print, and whom the current regime in Kiev has turned into a national hero.”
    The progeny with the war criminal has a wonderful time with Groysman (Ukraine’s Jewish PM) and Poroschenko (Ukraine’s President). Birds of feather…

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  • @Authenticjazzman
    "It's a well known fact that the average American knows less about the world than the average European"

    Who's fact is this, who determined this "Fact"?
    It is not my fact and I am quite sure that I know more about the "World" than the average european or you.

    Regarding all of the nonsense claiming that Europeans are more educated than Americans : bullshit, Europeans are more educated in "leftist" social-democratic conepts, however as far as general education is concerned they, Europeans, are not well versed in literature, philosophy or the arts, they THINK they are but they are not, and "halbgebildet" would be the most fitting term applied here, especially for the know-it-all Germans : deutsche Besserwisser".

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.

    It is not my fact and I am quite sure that I know more about the “World” than the average european or you.

    The self proclaimed Mensa member strikes again. Your posts have shown that you don’t know anything about the world. Average American doesn’t even know much about the United States, let alone the world. Boasting about your fake credentials doesn’t make you knowledgeable. So stop throwing your Mensa membership. As I have said before, real members don’t brag about it. Europeans and Asians are more educated than average Americans in every subject including Science and Mathematics.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.

    You really need to drop this nonsense, It impresses no one but your ego. No one cares whether you are a Mensa member, real or fake, or not. You have some kind of complex that you need to take care of soon.

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    I am wondering if Mapplethorpe’s “Piss Christ” will outlive the luster of the Poland’s “Black Madonna?”
     
    St. Petersburg (Russia) has a stunning art museum scene, arguably the greatest in the world (Hence St.Petersburg being #1 European, if not world's tourist destination) among treasures of State Hermitage or of Russian Museum, there is a famous Kunstkamera, which, on the order of Peter The Great, has not only all kinds of early scientific (minerals etc.) collections but also a collection of newborns with all kinds of a physical anomalies. In layman's lingo--freaks of nature. After all, Kunstkamera is a "cabinet of curiosities". Serrano's "Piss Christ" belongs there, both as an exhibit of mental illness and as a warning sign--this is the only way this so called "art" will last. I am not worried about Poland's Black Madonna, though--she is immortal. FYI, I am an atheist.

    P.S. For people who are trying to find any "art" and meaning in peeing into the vessel with plastic crucifixion, well--I am not surprised that this "process" originated in NYC, who can only borrow great art from somebody while having very little of its own. I guess the Warhol's Can of Campbell Soup stated everything there was to be stated already.

    smootkieX12,

    Thanks for being a gentleman & not scalding me for writing Mapplethorpe as “Piss Christ” creator and not Serrano. Good thing here is that Authenticjazzman does not have an open shot to take at me instead of a Campbell soup can.

    In conclusion, I typically whine when commenters travel far off particular article subjects. So for christ’s sake, & going forward, I hope we can return to the particular mental illness that afflicts “Progressives.” In comment above, I have described Cognitive Dissonance-Based Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder.

    Christos voskres! I return now to driving school bus.

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  • Look, maybe this is just me, because I haven’t actually seen anybody else running this one up a flagpole. But here goes:

    I don’t think the “progressives” (just learn to start calling them shitlibs, Mr G – it’s far more accurate, and a timesaver to boot!) want war – and they absolutely don’t want with Russia, who I believe they retain a healthy fear towards.

    (However, a good portion of our old friends the neocons do, and they have been largely indistinguishable from the shitlibs for the past few years now, ideologically at least.)

    So why this constant saber-rattling at Moscow and the steadily-louder chickenhawk drumbeat? Because – somewhat ingeniously – every minute they can turn the release of the Hillary/Podesta e-mails into an International Incident demanding the swiftest, harshest response is another minute the country is successfully distracted from looking at the contents of those e-mails and coming to a new judgment of Hillary.

    Remember that the Dems’ overweening concern in the immediate wake of the election result was the shadow of prosecution and prison for Hillary Clinton. How out of character would it have been for Hillary to have chosen to read Trump’s foolishly-gallant promise to forego any charges as why, he’s got nothing at all on me! , immediately proceeding to give Soros the nod to cry havoc and loose the dawgs of war….?

    I think history will remember this Russia nonsense as just that. Of course, that judgment will be recorded in Chinese characters, but that’s another story.

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  • @edNels
    Why does that belong in a serious Russian institution that caters to adult edification?

    early scientific (minerals etc.) collections but also a collection of newborns with
     

    In layman’s lingo–freaks of nature. After all, Kunstkamera is a “cabinet of curiosities”. Serrano’s “Piss Christ” belongs there, both as an exhibit of mental illness and as a warning sign
     

    I am an atheist.
    P.S. For people who are trying to find any “art” and meaning in peeing into the vessel with plastic crucifixion, well–I am not surprised that this “process” originated in NYC,
     
    There is a kind of sick sense a humor that conjures up that kind of obnoxious stuff that lives large in NYC. Don't forget your Mapledong screwy crap too, but leave it where it is don't export it like you done with Femen Pussy Riot etc.

    Femen Pussy Riot etc.

    They were imported by the so called West and found a warm welcome there, including riotous pussies having an audience with none other than HRC. Karma is a bitch, isn’t it?

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    I am wondering if Mapplethorpe’s “Piss Christ” will outlive the luster of the Poland’s “Black Madonna?”
     
    St. Petersburg (Russia) has a stunning art museum scene, arguably the greatest in the world (Hence St.Petersburg being #1 European, if not world's tourist destination) among treasures of State Hermitage or of Russian Museum, there is a famous Kunstkamera, which, on the order of Peter The Great, has not only all kinds of early scientific (minerals etc.) collections but also a collection of newborns with all kinds of a physical anomalies. In layman's lingo--freaks of nature. After all, Kunstkamera is a "cabinet of curiosities". Serrano's "Piss Christ" belongs there, both as an exhibit of mental illness and as a warning sign--this is the only way this so called "art" will last. I am not worried about Poland's Black Madonna, though--she is immortal. FYI, I am an atheist.

    P.S. For people who are trying to find any "art" and meaning in peeing into the vessel with plastic crucifixion, well--I am not surprised that this "process" originated in NYC, who can only borrow great art from somebody while having very little of its own. I guess the Warhol's Can of Campbell Soup stated everything there was to be stated already.

    Why does that belong in a serious Russian institution that caters to adult edification?

    early scientific (minerals etc.) collections but also a collection of newborns with

    In layman’s lingo–freaks of nature. After all, Kunstkamera is a “cabinet of curiosities”. Serrano’s “Piss Christ” belongs there, both as an exhibit of mental illness and as a warning sign

    I am an atheist.
    P.S. For people who are trying to find any “art” and meaning in peeing into the vessel with plastic crucifixion, well–I am not surprised that this “process” originated in NYC,

    There is a kind of sick sense a humor that conjures up that kind of obnoxious stuff that lives large in NYC. Don’t forget your Mapledong screwy crap too, but leave it where it is don’t export it like you done with Femen Pussy Riot etc.

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    Femen Pussy Riot etc.
     
    They were imported by the so called West and found a warm welcome there, including riotous pussies having an audience with none other than HRC. Karma is a bitch, isn't it?
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  • @Z-man
    I had the misfortune of being subjected to watching The View the other day and one of the women, the black Hispanic one who is as 'progressive' as it gets, screeched out, while attacking Trump, that Russia is an enemy! Very Neocon-ish for a shit lib.

    How do you distinguish screeching from their normal conversation?

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Chuck Orloski
    "In art, the beauty is also knowable "relativity" regardless."

    smoothieX12,

    I appreciate your interesting response very much, especially with regard to jazz music and ranges of listener "taste."

    I recall how Orwell asserted that a test of "art" is longevity into time. Or something like that.

    During our rather sick times, and speaking with "relativity" in mind, I am wondering if Mapplethorpe's "Piss Christ" will outlive the luster of the Poland's "Black Madonna?"

    Speaking respectfully, maybe Mr. Mensa will offer some clarification here? Thanks, smmothieX12!

    I am wondering if Mapplethorpe’s “Piss Christ” will outlive the luster of the Poland’s “Black Madonna?”

    St. Petersburg (Russia) has a stunning art museum scene, arguably the greatest in the world (Hence St.Petersburg being #1 European, if not world’s tourist destination) among treasures of State Hermitage or of Russian Museum, there is a famous Kunstkamera, which, on the order of Peter The Great, has not only all kinds of early scientific (minerals etc.) collections but also a collection of newborns with all kinds of a physical anomalies. In layman’s lingo–freaks of nature. After all, Kunstkamera is a “cabinet of curiosities”. Serrano’s “Piss Christ” belongs there, both as an exhibit of mental illness and as a warning sign–this is the only way this so called “art” will last. I am not worried about Poland’s Black Madonna, though–she is immortal. FYI, I am an atheist.

    P.S. For people who are trying to find any “art” and meaning in peeing into the vessel with plastic crucifixion, well–I am not surprised that this “process” originated in NYC, who can only borrow great art from somebody while having very little of its own. I guess the Warhol’s Can of Campbell Soup stated everything there was to be stated already.

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    Why does that belong in a serious Russian institution that caters to adult edification?

    early scientific (minerals etc.) collections but also a collection of newborns with
     

    In layman’s lingo–freaks of nature. After all, Kunstkamera is a “cabinet of curiosities”. Serrano’s “Piss Christ” belongs there, both as an exhibit of mental illness and as a warning sign
     

    I am an atheist.
    P.S. For people who are trying to find any “art” and meaning in peeing into the vessel with plastic crucifixion, well–I am not surprised that this “process” originated in NYC,
     
    There is a kind of sick sense a humor that conjures up that kind of obnoxious stuff that lives large in NYC. Don't forget your Mapledong screwy crap too, but leave it where it is don't export it like you done with Femen Pussy Riot etc.
    , @Chuck Orloski
    smootkieX12,

    Thanks for being a gentleman & not scalding me for writing Mapplethorpe as "Piss Christ" creator and not Serrano. Good thing here is that Authenticjazzman does not have an open shot to take at me instead of a Campbell soup can.

    In conclusion, I typically whine when commenters travel far off particular article subjects. So for christ's sake, & going forward, I hope we can return to the particular mental illness that afflicts "Progressives." In comment above, I have described Cognitive Dissonance-Based Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder.

    Christos voskres! I return now to driving school bus.
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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    Jazz compositions and performances are relative in beauty & art, and so are knowledge and wisdom in the realm of history.
     
    Causality is a knowable thing, thus knowledge of history is attainable--even despite all those "ranges of interpretations" some victims of which are represented greatly at Unz discussion boards. In art, the beauty is also knowable "relativity" regardless. If So What is beautiful, it is beautiful on its own since it does "adhere", the same as Take Five same as Pud Wad, just a few jazz and fusion examples. In related news--tastes are also non-relative because standards of appropriateness do exist.

    “In art, the beauty is also knowable “relativity” regardless.”

    smoothieX12,

    I appreciate your interesting response very much, especially with regard to jazz music and ranges of listener “taste.”

    I recall how Orwell asserted that a test of “art” is longevity into time. Or something like that.

    During our rather sick times, and speaking with “relativity” in mind, I am wondering if Mapplethorpe’s “Piss Christ” will outlive the luster of the Poland’s “Black Madonna?”

    Speaking respectfully, maybe Mr. Mensa will offer some clarification here? Thanks, smmothieX12!

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    I am wondering if Mapplethorpe’s “Piss Christ” will outlive the luster of the Poland’s “Black Madonna?”
     
    St. Petersburg (Russia) has a stunning art museum scene, arguably the greatest in the world (Hence St.Petersburg being #1 European, if not world's tourist destination) among treasures of State Hermitage or of Russian Museum, there is a famous Kunstkamera, which, on the order of Peter The Great, has not only all kinds of early scientific (minerals etc.) collections but also a collection of newborns with all kinds of a physical anomalies. In layman's lingo--freaks of nature. After all, Kunstkamera is a "cabinet of curiosities". Serrano's "Piss Christ" belongs there, both as an exhibit of mental illness and as a warning sign--this is the only way this so called "art" will last. I am not worried about Poland's Black Madonna, though--she is immortal. FYI, I am an atheist.

    P.S. For people who are trying to find any "art" and meaning in peeing into the vessel with plastic crucifixion, well--I am not surprised that this "process" originated in NYC, who can only borrow great art from somebody while having very little of its own. I guess the Warhol's Can of Campbell Soup stated everything there was to be stated already.
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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Jazz compositions and performances are relative in beauty & art, and so are knowledge and wisdom in the realm of history.

    Causality is a knowable thing, thus knowledge of history is attainable–even despite all those “ranges of interpretations” some victims of which are represented greatly at Unz discussion boards. In art, the beauty is also knowable “relativity” regardless. If So What is beautiful, it is beautiful on its own since it does “adhere”, the same as Take Five same as Pud Wad, just a few jazz and fusion examples. In related news–tastes are also non-relative because standards of appropriateness do exist.

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    "In art, the beauty is also knowable "relativity" regardless."

    smoothieX12,

    I appreciate your interesting response very much, especially with regard to jazz music and ranges of listener "taste."

    I recall how Orwell asserted that a test of "art" is longevity into time. Or something like that.

    During our rather sick times, and speaking with "relativity" in mind, I am wondering if Mapplethorpe's "Piss Christ" will outlive the luster of the Poland's "Black Madonna?"

    Speaking respectfully, maybe Mr. Mensa will offer some clarification here? Thanks, smmothieX12!
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  • @Authenticjazzman
    "It's a well known fact that the average American knows less about the world than the average European"

    Who's fact is this, who determined this "Fact"?
    It is not my fact and I am quite sure that I know more about the "World" than the average european or you.

    Regarding all of the nonsense claiming that Europeans are more educated than Americans : bullshit, Europeans are more educated in "leftist" social-democratic conepts, however as far as general education is concerned they, Europeans, are not well versed in literature, philosophy or the arts, they THINK they are but they are not, and "halbgebildet" would be the most fitting term applied here, especially for the know-it-all Germans : deutsche Besserwisser".

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.

    “”… especially for the know-it-all Germans.’

    Authenticjazzman,

    I think your commendable Mensa IQ needs a tune up, including Iskra plugs.

    F.Y.I., last year, The Unz Review featured insightful articles written by Linh Dinh while he taught at Leipzig University.

    As you know, all is relative, and such includes the history education that “average” Americans get.

    For one example, average American graduates of public high schools enter either college or the work force convinced that Hitler was Satan-personified and any other scholarly views on what happened both before, during, and after WW II are bullshit.

    Later in life, some confident American college graduates encounter Pat Buchanan’s book, “Churchill, Hitler, and The Unnecessary War” and non-objectively determine the work to be UN-American.

    Jazz compositions and performances are relative in beauty & art, and so are knowledge and wisdom in the realm of history.

    Selah.

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  • @Anonymous
    "It's alright, ma, only radical Islam is bleeding ".

    When Bob Dylan performs in Israel does he have the chutzpah today to sing his passionate anti war diddys.

    Relatively little attention has been paid to his 1983 song "Neighborhood Bully" - a rare declaration of full- theoated Israel support by a mainstream American rocker.

    Robert Allen Zimmerman is a fraud. His anti war activism is as phony as his celebratory name. The lyrics equate Israel with an "exiled man, " who is unjustly labeled a bully for fending off constant attacks by his neighbors.

    He should drop the Goyis sounding name and use his Hebrew name ( Shatai Zisl Ben Abraham) and stop pretending he is against all wars.

    Today, Robert Allen Zimmerman represents those anti Vietnam war liberal progressives, who now support the wars for Israel.

    The anti war progressives of Dylan's era are too old to be drafted.

    It's alright, Ma, only American boys of military age are dying for Israel.

    Keith

    Dear anonymous (Keith),

    Thanks for the significantly improved edit you have done with my “It’s alright, Ma…” paraphrase of Shatai Zisl Ben Abraham’s song. If Bob Dylan happens to reads your “post,” a hard acid rain is sure to fall down upon his inflated ego.

    Am I correct in that President Obama awarded Dylan a “Medal of Freedom”? If so, Shatai Zisl is fortunate that the POTUS did not take Palestinian human & political rights into account.

    In an aware nation, you’d get a “Not Stuck Inside of Immobilizing Tel Aviv Blues” free Speech Award, Anonymous (Keith)!

    For the sake of providing others with the lyrics to Zimmy’s “Neighborhood Bully,” they exist below.

    Neighborhood Bully
    Bob Dylan
    Well, the neighborhood bully, he’s just one man
    His enemies say he’s on their land
    They got him outnumbered about a million to one
    He got no place to escape to, no place to run
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    The neighborhood bully he just lives to survive
    He’s criticized and condemned for being alive
    He’s not supposed to fight back, he’s supposed to have thick skin
    He’s supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land
    He’s wandered the earth an exiled man
    Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn
    He’s always on trial for just being born
    He’s the neighborhood bully.
    Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized

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  • @Matias
    It's well known fact that average American knows less about rest of the world than average European. However this is not the key fact behind the reason of warmongering liberals. They are of course brainwashed but the same thing is happening in Europe too.

    Anyway. I focus one very common mistake all kind of "experts", media pundits and politicians are making daily. It's this one written by Giraldi:

    "...its [Russia] economy and military budget are tiny compared to that of the United States."

    In reality the rate between GDP and GDP-PPP in Russia is 1:3. So if you really wanted to compare the size of economies of USA and Russia you should use more likely e.g IMF's GDP-PPP figures given rate of 1: 4.9 (Russia : USA)

    Defence budgets using only GDP dollar based figures are misleading of course. Instead of 1:10 the rate is only 1:3 or 1:3.5 favoring USA. It's more likely US wasting relatively more money with military than Russia.

    Then there's one very serious problem inside US economy. Actually only 28% of US GDP is real economy while 72% is mostly virtual. This is the fact why US medium wages are still near the level of 1973. According to Chinese strategic studies, US real economy has not grown hardly at all since days of Richard Nixon. What has grown is virtual, fake economy, smoke in air.

    Let's make it clear: compared to German economy, Russia's economy is near the same size using GDP-PPP figures. Even that estimate in my opinion is wrong. It is not that the statistics are wrong. It is that what is being compared are sets of statistics rather than two totally different economies. You see when 28% of German economy is industry (US 20%), Russia has 36% industrial share.

    Indeed, Russia's economy operates on a far bigger scale. It is physically impossible for Germany to do many of the things Russia does without effort. Conversely there is nothing Germany does that Russia cannot do if it commits itself to doing it. The only economies that can match or surpass Russia's in technology and depth of resources — and can do all the things Russia does — are those of China and the US. India, Germany and Japan can also do some of the things Russia does, but not all of them. No other states come close.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

    “It’s a well known fact that the average American knows less about the world than the average European”

    Who’s fact is this, who determined this “Fact”?
    It is not my fact and I am quite sure that I know more about the “World” than the average european or you.

    Regarding all of the nonsense claiming that Europeans are more educated than Americans : bullshit, Europeans are more educated in “leftist” social-democratic conepts, however as far as general education is concerned they, Europeans, are not well versed in literature, philosophy or the arts, they THINK they are but they are not, and “halbgebildet” would be the most fitting term applied here, especially for the know-it-all Germans : deutsche Besserwisser”.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.

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    ""... especially for the know-it-all Germans.'

    Authenticjazzman,

    I think your commendable Mensa IQ needs a tune up, including Iskra plugs.

    F.Y.I., last year, The Unz Review featured insightful articles written by Linh Dinh while he taught at Leipzig University.

    As you know, all is relative, and such includes the history education that "average" Americans get.

    For one example, average American graduates of public high schools enter either college or the work force convinced that Hitler was Satan-personified and any other scholarly views on what happened both before, during, and after WW II are bullshit.

    Later in life, some confident American college graduates encounter Pat Buchanan's book, "Churchill, Hitler, and The Unnecessary War" and non-objectively determine the work to be UN-American.

    Jazz compositions and performances are relative in beauty & art, and so are knowledge and wisdom in the realm of history.

    Selah.
    , @MEexpert

    It is not my fact and I am quite sure that I know more about the “World” than the average european or you.
     
    The self proclaimed Mensa member strikes again. Your posts have shown that you don't know anything about the world. Average American doesn't even know much about the United States, let alone the world. Boasting about your fake credentials doesn't make you knowledgeable. So stop throwing your Mensa membership. As I have said before, real members don't brag about it. Europeans and Asians are more educated than average Americans in every subject including Science and Mathematics.

    Authenticjazzman ” Mensa” society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.
     
    You really need to drop this nonsense, It impresses no one but your ego. No one cares whether you are a Mensa member, real or fake, or not. You have some kind of complex that you need to take care of soon.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    The sad 21st Century washed-up radical, Bob Dylan:

    ""It's Alright, Ma, only Radical Islam is bleeding."

    “It’s alright, ma, only radical Islam is bleeding “.

    When Bob Dylan performs in Israel does he have the chutzpah today to sing his passionate anti war diddys.

    Relatively little attention has been paid to his 1983 song “Neighborhood Bully” – a rare declaration of full- theoated Israel support by a mainstream American rocker.

    Robert Allen Zimmerman is a fraud. His anti war activism is as phony as his celebratory name. The lyrics equate Israel with an “exiled man, ” who is unjustly labeled a bully for fending off constant attacks by his neighbors.

    He should drop the Goyis sounding name and use his Hebrew name ( Shatai Zisl Ben Abraham) and stop pretending he is against all wars.

    Today, Robert Allen Zimmerman represents those anti Vietnam war liberal progressives, who now support the wars for Israel.

    The anti war progressives of Dylan’s era are too old to be drafted.

    It’s alright, Ma, only American boys of military age are dying for Israel.

    Keith

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    Dear anonymous (Keith),

    Thanks for the significantly improved edit you have done with my "It's alright, Ma..." paraphrase of Shatai Zisl Ben Abraham's song. If Bob Dylan happens to reads your "post," a hard acid rain is sure to fall down upon his inflated ego.

    Am I correct in that President Obama awarded Dylan a "Medal of Freedom"? If so, Shatai Zisl is fortunate that the POTUS did not take Palestinian human & political rights into account.

    In an aware nation, you'd get a "Not Stuck Inside of Immobilizing Tel Aviv Blues" free Speech Award, Anonymous (Keith)!

    For the sake of providing others with the lyrics to Zimmy's "Neighborhood Bully," they exist below.

    Neighborhood Bully
    Bob Dylan
    Well, the neighborhood bully, he's just one man
    His enemies say he's on their land
    They got him outnumbered about a million to one
    He got no place to escape to, no place to run
    He's the neighborhood bully.
    The neighborhood bully he just lives to survive
    He's criticized and condemned for being alive
    He's not supposed to fight back, he's supposed to have thick skin
    He's supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in
    He's the neighborhood bully.
    The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land
    He's wandered the earth an exiled man
    Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn
    He's always on trial for just being born
    He's the neighborhood bully.
    Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized
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  • […] Philip Giraldi Global Research, February 22, 2017 UNZReport 21 February 2017 Region: Russia and FSU, USA Theme: US NATO War […]

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  • Leftist desire war and violence that promote their core interests, and leftist core interests are totalitarian democracy, protected victim class supremacy, and elimination of the oppressor class.

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  • @Si Dirst
    Yes, the anti-Vietnam war crowd, after ducking out of their own military service, now seek to play the war game with other folk's children as disposable pawns.

    Orthodox Christian Europe-Russia has found its feet and is rapidly rebuilding... overall that's good news. The US should fully ally with them and rebuild Christendom.

    The idea of using muslims against Russia arose in the US government 40+ years ago under Jimmy Carter. Yes, President Carter got talked into this policy-strategy by his Polish security advisor Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski - a serious Russia hater. Break Russia with muslims, free Poland. Hmm, that worked... let's try it again.

    The rest is mainly about money & power. The US prints fiat money from paper and forces other countries to take it in exchange for real goods & services; military force is used upon those demanding gold or any non-US $ payment. This is why Iraq (demanded €) and Lybia (demanded gold) were mikitarily invaded.

    Russia is nuclear armed so they are not easily invaded... so the strategic plan is to hurt their economy, hence sanctions. It is not working... Russia is almost 100% debt free and will be fully debt free by the end of 2017. Hmm, well, what about cutting off Russian sales of oil & gas to Europe ? Well that idea needs Saudi oil & Qatari gas to be able to get up to Europe to replace the Blocked Russian oil & gas... so WE NEED A PIPELINE up to Europe and it needs to transit SYRIA; so THAT's why Assad is bad, he said "no pipeline" via Syria as it would hurt his ally Russia. That is why the proxy war in Syria is raging; the US is trying to cut Tussia's financial throat and the Russians know it well.

    Meanwhile, the Russians & Chinese are buying and holding GOLD every month - NOT US $. This is steadily creating a $ reserve alternative as the US is addicted to Chinese goods and Europe is addicted to Russian oil & gas. Importantly, Russia & China can see that the US can NOT afford its large global military unless it can pay for it with easly printed fiat US $. So, Russia & China are playing the long game... trade every month with the US & Europe in US $ and then trade the US $ for gold and drag the physical gold in behind their nuclear defense shield. In this long game, financial gravity will weaken the US $ until US troops have to be brought back to the US due to their increasing overseas financial cost.

    Another way to look at this is, "No taxation without representation." The US $' role as the global reserve currency has allowed it to tax the entire planet simply by printing US $. As long as the US behaved militarily, this was acceptable. After Clinton bombed Syria and expanded NATO eastward, the Russians and Chinese began to rearm. The 2008 financial crash accelerated their move to physical gold as the new global reserve "currency."

    China & Russia both know that the US plan is to divide them & conquer. Russia has oil & gas, gold, & military technology. China has gold and very modern manufacturing that supports tradable consumer goods. Both are now self-sufficient in food.

    So, the US has been check-mated. Show military restraint, or give Russia & China a voice in how global taxes are levied and spent, or go financially broke. It's really that simple. Some will counsel war but that would go nuclear.

    Orthodox Christian Europe-Russia has found its feet and is rapidly rebuilding… overall that’s good news. The US should fully ally with them and rebuild Christendom.

    It’s an interesting idea.

    If for example the United States held a referendum on Christianity, proposing it as North America’s official religion, it would probably pass. Plenty of Latinos and Blacks would vote for it, as would the American South, and the rest of the US may well also give it their support.

    1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me,
    2. Thou shalt no make unto thee any graven image
    3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
    4. Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy.
    5. Honour thy father and thy mother.
    6. Thou shalt not kill.
    7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
    8. Thou shalt not steal.
    9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
    10. Thou shalt not not covet thy neighbour’s house/wife/or anything else.

    The idea would of course attract fierce minority opposition:

    Legalists

    The First Amendment, bars laws “respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” but the Founders were themselves practicing Christians and could never have imagined the moral sleaze that would overtake their country. Also the Constitution is already dead in many respects (right to privacy, State vs Federal power etc.)

    Progressives

    Their “freedoms” would be threatened, but in a Christian framework their “freedoms” aren’t freedoms, they’re sins. They are not free to steal, commit adultery, bear false witness, covet their neighbour’s property etc. (i.e. engage in Clinton type behavior).

    Jews

    US Jewish activists strongly oppose Christianity in any form, although paradoxically the 10 Commandments come from the Old Testament and are a basis of their own religion.

    Personally I can see a lot of advantages in Americans joining Russians in a new Christendom.

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  • It’s well known fact that average American knows less about rest of the world than average European. However this is not the key fact behind the reason of warmongering liberals. They are of course brainwashed but the same thing is happening in Europe too.

    Anyway. I focus one very common mistake all kind of “experts”, media pundits and politicians are making daily. It’s this one written by Giraldi:

    “…its [Russia] economy and military budget are tiny compared to that of the United States.”

    In reality the rate between GDP and GDP-PPP in Russia is 1:3. So if you really wanted to compare the size of economies of USA and Russia you should use more likely e.g IMF’s GDP-PPP figures given rate of 1: 4.9 (Russia : USA)

    Defence budgets using only GDP dollar based figures are misleading of course. Instead of 1:10 the rate is only 1:3 or 1:3.5 favoring USA. It’s more likely US wasting relatively more money with military than Russia.

    Then there’s one very serious problem inside US economy. Actually only 28% of US GDP is real economy while 72% is mostly virtual. This is the fact why US medium wages are still near the level of 1973. According to Chinese strategic studies, US real economy has not grown hardly at all since days of Richard Nixon. What has grown is virtual, fake economy, smoke in air.

    Let’s make it clear: compared to German economy, Russia’s economy is near the same size using GDP-PPP figures. Even that estimate in my opinion is wrong. It is not that the statistics are wrong. It is that what is being compared are sets of statistics rather than two totally different economies. You see when 28% of German economy is industry (US 20%), Russia has 36% industrial share.

    Indeed, Russia’s economy operates on a far bigger scale. It is physically impossible for Germany to do many of the things Russia does without effort. Conversely there is nothing Germany does that Russia cannot do if it commits itself to doing it. The only economies that can match or surpass Russia’s in technology and depth of resources — and can do all the things Russia does — are those of China and the US. India, Germany and Japan can also do some of the things Russia does, but not all of them. No other states come close.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

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    "It's a well known fact that the average American knows less about the world than the average European"

    Who's fact is this, who determined this "Fact"?
    It is not my fact and I am quite sure that I know more about the "World" than the average european or you.

    Regarding all of the nonsense claiming that Europeans are more educated than Americans : bullshit, Europeans are more educated in "leftist" social-democratic conepts, however as far as general education is concerned they, Europeans, are not well versed in literature, philosophy or the arts, they THINK they are but they are not, and "halbgebildet" would be the most fitting term applied here, especially for the know-it-all Germans : deutsche Besserwisser".

    Authenticjazzman " Mensa" society member since 1973, and pro jazz artist.
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  • @annamaria
    "Over the last few years, the Security Conference has been a way for Germany to serve as a link between the United States and their European partners. This year, its only goal was to force the European leaders to confirm their allegiance to the deep US state, without taking into account either the will expressed by the US People, or the change in the White House.
    A preparatory document, drawn up by the German organisers of the Conference, was handed to the participants. The Press was careful not to mention it. It contains an article by Volker Perthes, author of the Feltman plan for the total and unconditional capitulation of the Syrian Arab Republic. This eminent «expert» presents his vision of the «Greater Middle East», or rather the vision of the US «Continuity of Government».
    Quite clearly, neither faced with the vote of the US People, nor the Resistance of the Arab Peoples, do the European leaders intend to change – they can only be dismissed by the European People."
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article195341.html

    Many thanks, annamaria, for bringing such things to our attention.

    So as not to be totally depressing, here is Dennis Kucinich on Fox. Trump is reputed to watch Fox. I hope he got this Valentine’s Day Warning -

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/14/kucinich-intelligence-community-games-trying-upend-trump

    ‘Wake Up!’: Kucinich Says Intel Community Making ‘Unprecedented’ Effort to Upend Trump

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  • @CanSpeccy
    Lib or Con, Prog or Fascist, almost no one understands what the game is about.

    Rather, people seek in politics for emotional gratification. In this pursuit, the contingencies of reward, both for the masses and for the media figures who guide the masses, are arranged by the largely unknown manipulators seeking to establish a global empire.

    Liberals and progressives are motivated in part by the joy of hating "haters", "fascists", "racists", etc., and in part by their sense of moral superiority which derives from their, "tolerance," their inclusiveness, and their readiness to trash their own tribe to the advantage of people from elsewhere — people, many of whom, feel only contempt for liberals and progressives.

    Conservatives are driven both by an inbred resistance to change and an awareness of the genocidal consequences of liberalism: namely, reproductive failure and the occupation of their living space and then the ranks of their government by people of an alien race, religion and culture.

    Meantime, the drive for global empire, directed by the money power, the banks, the global corporations and the dynamic elements of the plutocracy, the likes of Zuckerberg and Soros, continues. The objective? The destruction of the nation states, particularly the powerful Western states that have dominated the globe for the last several centuries.

    Hence the money power backing to the liberals and progs in their campaign of hate against conservatives, and their war on patriotism, Christianity, traditional sexual morality and even of sexual identity.

    The end result? A world of both bridges AND walls, c.f. Mark Zuckerberg. The nation states will dissolve as the nations themselves, particularly the European nations, are annihilated. The mongrelized masses will survive as best they can under conditions of increasing poverty, as competition both from immigrants and robots drives down the value of labor, while the elite live behind the safety of walls, traveling by helicopter or, perhaps as Elon Musk envisages, by private tunnel.

    It's a replay of the Roman empire, first attempted by the British. The alleged British racist, Enoch Powell, for example, was an imperialist who promoted the idea of Imperial citizenship. Under his scheme, the Brits were to be submerged in a sea of hundreds of millions of Asians and Africans. It was Enoch Powell, in fact, who instigated the importation of cheap West Indian labor to Britain in the 1950's. Only when the failure of the British imperial project became undeniable did Powell speak out against mass immigration to Britain.

    The US has adopted the same Roman/British plan: subjugate the world and admit the world to US citizenship. Hence the Obama:Merkel:Lib/left hatred of patriotism, nationalism, and traditional morality that conduces to national reproductive health.

    There is a reason for globalist elites to want to eliminate nation states, and it has nothing to do with ideology. Once the institutions of state are undermined and evicerated — there is no more accountability. In a complex empire style construct, population no longer makes decisions, and has nobody to call to account for failures. In all empires some people get rich at the expense of disempowered population. We will ho back to slavery. It will be called something else. We have become complacent — and almost lost our institutions to imperial slavery. We are still in danger, as population as a whole still does not grasp the danger. Thus rhe fury. It is like Russia in 2000, and Putin comes to power. All was set for a major theft of oil and gas resources. And stopped in its tracks. It took a while to sort it out, but the losers had a fit. And never stopped since.

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    In a complex empire style construct, population no longer makes decisions
     
    Exactly.

    Let's say it again.

    Global empire means death to the nation state and with it democracy, since it is only with control over local affairs that democracy has meaning.

    World government would, aside from being totally in the control of the money power, not give a damn about local interests. Indeed, it would proudly assert that it ruled in the interests of all humanity and that just because the ancestors of today's Germans, or Canadians or Americans built up a nation with a huge store of capital in the form of infrastructure, institutions and an educated populace, there is no reason why the exploding population of the Third World should not move to the West and enjoy the fruits of the labor to which the toil and genius of their own ancestors did not contribute.

    Global democracy means wiping the European people's from the face of the earth. Their fertility is collapsing, while their countries are being inundated by highly philoprogenetive Third Worlders, some openly declaring their intention to replace the European people, not by the sword but by the womb.

    This the Treason Party, the likes of Obama, Trudeau, Merkel, Blair and their many accomplices, well know -- as do the media who as President Trump stated, "are the enemy of the people."

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  • “Over the last few years, the Security Conference has been a way for Germany to serve as a link between the United States and their European partners. This year, its only goal was to force the European leaders to confirm their allegiance to the deep US state, without taking into account either the will expressed by the US People, or the change in the White House.
    A preparatory document, drawn up by the German organisers of the Conference, was handed to the participants. The Press was careful not to mention it. It contains an article by Volker Perthes, author of the Feltman plan for the total and unconditional capitulation of the Syrian Arab Republic. This eminent «expert» presents his vision of the «Greater Middle East», or rather the vision of the US «Continuity of Government».
    Quite clearly, neither faced with the vote of the US People, nor the Resistance of the Arab Peoples, do the European leaders intend to change – they can only be dismissed by the European People.”

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article195341.html

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    Many thanks, annamaria, for bringing such things to our attention.

    So as not to be totally depressing, here is Dennis Kucinich on Fox. Trump is reputed to watch Fox. I hope he got this Valentine's Day Warning -
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/14/kucinich-intelligence-community-games-trying-upend-trump
    'Wake Up!': Kucinich Says Intel Community Making 'Unprecedented' Effort to Upend Trump
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  • “The clarion call is the same. “We must do something” because “we” are superior, all knowing, and chosen by a divine force to make the world in whatever image we choose.”

    Note that the callers are not eager to “do something” (i.e. interventions abroad) by themselves. Like children, the “progressive” balding men and mature women (plus very-very sensitive freshmen) go marching, “freedom-lovingly,” behind a bright banner and with inspirational posters at hand. That’s it. (Picture “pink pussies” and such). After marching up to the nearest square, the “progressives” head to a nice restaurant to have a dinner together and then go home with a sense of self-satisfaction. It is doubtful that the “progressives” can be brought to reality without reinstatement of the draft.

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  • Who got us into WW I, WW II, the Korean War, Vietnam and the Balkan Wars? All liberal progressive Dems – Wilson, Roosevelt, Truman, LBJ and Clinton. The combined death tolls of liberal progressive wars is over 100 million folks.

    Yes, liberals and progressives absolutely do LOVE war. They must get off on it!

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  • “Progressive”- It’s just another weasel word.

    “Progressive” is merely a term that was salvaged from the scrapheap of history, sorry but that’s too great a metaphor not to steal, by the alleged “left” in this country because the Limbaughs, Kristols,et al had so demonized the word “liberal.” That’s basically it, plain and simple. The problem is, that in spite of the fact they were led by one of the biggest imperialists and warmongers, the original Progressives,were a bunch of Bolsheviks, compared to the hegemonic capitalists who wrap themselves in the “progressive” mantle today.

    While some of us here know that modern-day liberalism was founded to be a capitalist-friendly “third way” between socialism,and conservatism, most people do not. If they did and truly understood this history they would not waste all of their time and effort into trying to make “liberals”, and The Democratic Party in particular, into the socialists they might want them to be.

    A “progressive” is someone who cannot admit to the systemic failure of the society. Through this stubborn blindness, they reveal their own fundamental loyalty to the social system as a whole. The solution to the “anti-democratic” turn in American politics is not to question its foundations but to proscribe “more democracy” or “real democracy”, without evaluating for a minute whether the “”turn” is really an aberration. In economics, a “progressive” is one who blames an excess of greed, a deficiency of regulation, or the corruption of the state rather than the normal operation of capitalism. In this way, “progressives” are identical to Libertarians who, in the face of insurmountable evidence, continue to insist that it is “too little” and not too much “free enterprise” which is the problem.

    We need a capitalism based on good intentions says the one, based on a strengthening of the “individual” claims the next, and one purged of racial corruption declares the last. Fixing capitalism is the highest and in fact the only slogan of all of the above, and this in the most trivial and unhistorical way possible. Those are the last and the only words of this brand of “radical” criticism which is actually a radical support for the society as it exists… if only that society could be “allowed” to achieve its “true” nature.

    All too often “progressive” has come to mean someone who will offer unconditional support to The Democratic Party no matter what.

    A progressive is someone who believes in the system.

    Progressives and liberals are as ready as conservatives to support government interventions in our lives and on the world stage. The country in question may be Sudan, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria or perhaps Iran. The clarion call is the same. “We must do something” because “we” are superior, all knowing, and chosen by a divine force to make the world in whatever image we choose.

    No one asks how “we” is defined, or if the presence of the United States is needed or wanted. No one asks about the history of past interventions and their usually negative outcomes. It is assumed that Americans are good and know what is best for the world, despite a long history of numerous brutalities carried out across the globe.

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  • @Fran Macadam
    It's the Progressives who have trouble with Russian Orthodoxy, with their own LGBTQ pagan opposition, not evangelical Christians. Evangelical opposition in the past was to Soviet atheism, now long abolished. I speak as an evangelical who counted it a miracle for Russians to renounce that tyranny, although certainly not anticipating nor applauding the subsequent predatory and opportunistic Wall Street carpetbagger invasion that reduced the lives of ordinary Russians to penury. But then, evangelicals aren't those in power in the West, even though their support is sought with vague bromides that never come to pass. A lot voted for Trump, and aside from the economic distress which is very real for so many, Trump's message of not being hostile to non-communist Russia with its patina of state Christianity also resonated.

    It’s the Progressives who have trouble with Russian Orthodoxy

    I think that’s an angle that They use but it’s not in anyway a real issue. Only about a year ago China passed a law criminalizing wife-beating. Must have been the international pressure orchastrated by the Progressives, right? No, you never heard a word in the progressive media about the time prior because They weren’t waging a propaganda war against China.

    Incidentally, I agree with all the nice things you have to say about Mr Giraldi. He really is a great and prolific writer.

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  • Good commentary here.

    My own opinion, beyond your own on Putin:

    I have listened to his responses and read the translations of several of meetings. Now I realize that the man was KGB and is filthy rich, but this man is almost too composed, rational, and even caring when I hear his measured responses.

    If you go back to Bush senior, he had some of that. Sure, he was CIA and big oil and probably channeled his share of money his way. Still, I admired that part of him. HWB was, however, not this composed and he walked us into a war and Putin talks antiwar. So I would chose him as my president in an elected contest. Why do we demean this man? He deserves better.

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  • @Veritatis
    Well, Buchanan at least is quite probably in complete agreement with Schall. Buchanan writes about more immediate issues/policies, Schall tends to answer first questions such as "how then shall we live?". Both have a thoroughly catholic mindset yet speak from their respective positions in life. Induction and deduction. Both approaches are valuable.

    But feel free to rant.

    But feel free to rant.

    Oh, bless you! I was just waiting for your permission.

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  • @Anon
    I think the kind of people who join the US military think like coaches and athletes.
    They see world affairs as some kind of game and sports.

    They just want to feel important by looking for opponents.

    Trump probably knows this mentality since he has promoted sports.

    I mean how do you get people interested in the next fight? You gotta promise them a good show.
    If you say One side is much more powerful than the other side, it's no fun.
    But if you say it's like King Kong vs Godzilla, people get interested.

    When Mike Tyson was beating everyone, people got disinterested in boxing. It was no contest.

    People got interested when Tyson got beat, and it got competitive again.

    The sort of jock-morons who join the US military think like college football coaches.

    So, hyping Russia as Ivan Drago is just part of the game.

    So dumb though.

    I am not sure I agree about your sports analogy. The more dominant Tiger Woods was, the higher and higher the ratings got for golf.

    I am also not sure the American people really are looking for a good fight. I think they want a one-sided knockout.

    As for the people who join the military, I think you are on to something.

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  • @SolontoCroesus

    Which tells us all how blinded and ignorant of Soviet history most, and not only “progs”, US “thinkers” are. Soviet Union in WW II and post-WW II would qualify as one of the most conservative societies, in which family values were extolled and, as one example out of many, homosexuality and other LGBTIQ… ideas could land one in jail.
     
    Sounds a lot like Germany in Third Reich.
    Thank the CIA gods, all that was changed, by sustained force involving violence and 'psychological warfare,' in the long, long post-war years.

    https://www.amazon.com/Capturing-German-Eye-American-Propaganda/dp/0226301699/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477842194&sr=8-1&keywords=capturing+the+german+eye

    “Thank the CIA gods, all that was changed, by sustained force involving violence and ‘psychological warfare’…”

    SolontoCroesus,

    When you talk, I listen.

    I am impressed by your mentioning “psychological warfare,” but I suggest ‘It’ goes deeper than just the CIA. Maybe Philip Giraldi can enter the comment “thread” here and provide some on-the-job perspective?

    At any rate, all through the bizarre ’16 presidential campaign and up unto this particular date, I am thinking, cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance, the phenomenon of mass cognitive dissonance, brought to your hometown.

    With all the due respect to the way you think, I feel that a stunning Operation Cognitive Dissonance is underway in the U.S. Who are the operation’s Master Planners behind weaponizing “cognitive dissonance” and the non-humanitarian intrusion into American thought processes?

    I have only pretty decent guesses to offer you, S2C, so now I will go to a Wall Street Journal “Opinion,” February 22, 2017, (today), titled “Missing the meaning of Trump,” written by Holman W. Jenskins, Jr.:

    H.W. Jenkins, Jr.: “The saddest part, though, is how quickly Democrats, following their loudest, ninniest voters, have decided to turn Mr. Trump into the Antichrist. One example : in 17 years of Howard Stern interviews, Mr. Trump appears never to have uttered a sentiment unfriendly to gays . He was a regular at Studio 54. His mentor was a powerful attorney was a powerful gay attorney. In his convention speech, Mr. Trump offered himself as the defender of “LGBTQ” citizens. Yet many gay activists now join a parade of those pronouncing themselves oppressed by a Trump presidency. Why? Pure COGNITIVE DISSONANCE: Democrats have been busy twisting his admittedly rococo image beyond reason to fit their partisan friends.”

    Never did i feel that I’d find even semi-support for my Operation Cognitive Dissonance theory in Wall Street Journal pages, bust it happened, Sc2. Right now while typing this, a beautiful CNN woman is talking how EU leaders are anxious & confused as to what the Trump administration has up it’s Armani suit sleeves. Cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance, and to the mortuary for “Progressive” awareness!

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  • @Blue Dave
    Sorry but the people you have labelled as "lefties" or "progressives" are simply not that. The Democrat party? Hillary Clinton (wasn't she a Goldwater girl)? The Washington Post? Give me a break, you have mentioned the other wing of the bird of prey that is the US ruling class.

    Sorry but the people you have labelled as “lefties” or “progressives” are simply not that.

    I wanted to click ‘Agree’, but then I realized I don’t really understand who exactly a “progressive” is. It’s crystal clear that they are not anywhere near the Left; they are fucking liberals.

    Whether they are “progressives” I don’t know, and who the hell cares, because the word is meaningless. One might ‘progress’ (move forward) to any direction, including (as they do) towards the nearest garbage dump of history…

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    Maybe the progs can’t forgive Russia for giving up communism, unlike Cuba, which remains a good country.
     
    Which tells us all how blinded and ignorant of Soviet history most, and not only "progs", US "thinkers" are. Soviet Union in WW II and post-WW II would qualify as one of the most conservative societies, in which family values were extolled and, as one example out of many, homosexuality and other LGBTIQ... ideas could land one in jail. This whole "meme" of progs and "communism" is a product of people who know next to nothing about Soviet Union. Soviet "communism" was not what many people think it was.

    Which tells us all how blinded and ignorant of Soviet history most, and not only “progs”, US “thinkers” are. Soviet Union in WW II and post-WW II would qualify as one of the most conservative societies, in which family values were extolled and, as one example out of many, homosexuality and other LGBTIQ… ideas could land one in jail.

    Sounds a lot like Germany in Third Reich.
    Thank the CIA gods, all that was changed, by sustained force involving violence and ‘psychological warfare,’ in the long, long post-war years.

    https://www.amazon.com/Capturing-German-Eye-American-Propaganda/dp/0226301699/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477842194&sr=8-1&keywords=capturing+the+german+eye

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    "Thank the CIA gods, all that was changed, by sustained force involving violence and 'psychological warfare'..."

    SolontoCroesus,

    When you talk, I listen.

    I am impressed by your mentioning "psychological warfare," but I suggest 'It' goes deeper than just the CIA. Maybe Philip Giraldi can enter the comment "thread" here and provide some on-the-job perspective?

    At any rate, all through the bizarre '16 presidential campaign and up unto this particular date, I am thinking, cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance, the phenomenon of mass cognitive dissonance, brought to your hometown.

    With all the due respect to the way you think, I feel that a stunning Operation Cognitive Dissonance is underway in the U.S. Who are the operation's Master Planners behind weaponizing "cognitive dissonance" and the non-humanitarian intrusion into American thought processes?

    I have only pretty decent guesses to offer you, S2C, so now I will go to a Wall Street Journal "Opinion," February 22, 2017, (today), titled "Missing the meaning of Trump," written by Holman W. Jenskins, Jr.:

    H.W. Jenkins, Jr.: "The saddest part, though, is how quickly Democrats, following their loudest, ninniest voters, have decided to turn Mr. Trump into the Antichrist. One example : in 17 years of Howard Stern interviews, Mr. Trump appears never to have uttered a sentiment unfriendly to gays . He was a regular at Studio 54. His mentor was a powerful attorney was a powerful gay attorney. In his convention speech, Mr. Trump offered himself as the defender of "LGBTQ" citizens. Yet many gay activists now join a parade of those pronouncing themselves oppressed by a Trump presidency. Why? Pure COGNITIVE DISSONANCE: Democrats have been busy twisting his admittedly rococo image beyond reason to fit their partisan friends."

    Never did i feel that I'd find even semi-support for my Operation Cognitive Dissonance theory in Wall Street Journal pages, bust it happened, Sc2. Right now while typing this, a beautiful CNN woman is talking how EU leaders are anxious & confused as to what the Trump administration has up it's Armani suit sleeves. Cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance, and to the mortuary for "Progressive" awareness!
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  • I had the misfortune of being subjected to watching The View the other day and one of the women, the black Hispanic one who is as ‘progressive’ as it gets, screeched out, while attacking Trump, that Russia is an enemy! Very Neocon-ish for a shit lib.

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  • @annamaria
    There are 55 "no-go" zones in Sweden: http://theduran.com/this-is-the-truth-about-sweden-that-main-stream-media-does-not-want-you-to-see-video/

    Truth about Sweden…

    Here it is again from an other recent post: Who gains from wrecking nice countries?

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    Truth about Sweden...

    Here it is again from an other recent post: Who gains from wrecking nice countries?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85BKDj_1vVU
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  • @utu
    It was 1967 war that changed progressives' position on war form being anti to being maybe or why not if it is Israel's war.

    It was 1967 war that changed progressives’ position on war form being anti to being maybe or why not if it is Israel’s war.

    And it was also when Israel felt confident enough to run its first major False Flag against the US (attack on the USS Liberty with unmarked aircraft and torpedo boats) with the aim of sinking it, blaming Egypt and getting Egypt bombed by the US. Also Johnson and McNamara were in on the project, since they urgently recalled two carrier launched rescue flights heading for the ship while it was still under attack.

    The Israelis were running Johnson, and it’s not too hard to guess where they got the leverage (ref. Collins Piper’s “Final Judgment”).

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  • I think progressives constitute a kind of church. Their principles are human rights, etc, updated every so often with new rights and principles, from abolitionism, workers’ rights, feminism, and so on to anti-racism, sexual liberation, gay rights, and so on. There’s a kind of informal progressive morality that is edicted, developed, and commented upon, with its fashions and occasional hysterical enforcement.

    To show that you are a member in good standing of the church, you just have to mouthe pieties or quietly submit to them, and you’re fine. But to be a leader within the church and to rise up, you have to fight the good fight, usually within your nation, but sometimes outside of it. It’s helpful to have scapegoats, and evil dictators serve well. To show you are very strong, this can lead to hot war, as it did against Serbia in the 90s.

    Russia is a perfect target because we are used to them being the bad guys. They are very familiar and at the same time not a powerful lobby. Russia serves as a great foil because they are like us, but weaker, with less control of the media. They are like Nazis. Our second favorite bad guys! North Koreans are too far away. ChiComs also, plus we do need to do business with them. And Arabs, well, it’s complicated, because they are minorities, and therefore victims. Don’t want to seem racist. There is no risk of being racist when being against Russia, au contraire!

    I’ll just say I wish we would get along with Russia. I see absolutely no reason why we wouldn’t. We have as many reasons to get along with Russia as with Germany, Japan, or China, probably more.

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  • @Bizarro World Observer
    Theodore Roosevelt was not conservative: far from it, he was progressive to the core. And like most progressives, he loved war.

    yes TR loved war until his son got killed in WWI he became a recluse. it is all fun and games until you lose a son

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  • Sorry but the people you have labelled as “lefties” or “progressives” are simply not that. The Democrat party? Hillary Clinton (wasn’t she a Goldwater girl)? The Washington Post? Give me a break, you have mentioned the other wing of the bird of prey that is the US ruling class.

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    Sorry but the people you have labelled as “lefties” or “progressives” are simply not that.
     
    I wanted to click 'Agree', but then I realized I don't really understand who exactly a “progressive” is. It's crystal clear that they are not anywhere near the Left; they are fucking liberals.

    Whether they are “progressives” I don't know, and who the hell cares, because the word is meaningless. One might 'progress' (move forward) to any direction, including (as they do) towards the nearest garbage dump of history...
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    Well said.

    Except that Mr. Giraldi should be asking why we Americans like war…

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  • I was a Young Republican back then and supported the war through sheer ignorance and dislike of the sanctimoniousness of the protesters, some of whom were surely making their way to Canada to live in exile on daddy’s money while I was on a bus going to Fort Leonard Wood for basic combat training. I can’t even claim that I had some grudging respect for the antiwar crowd because I didn’t, but I did believe that at least some of them who were not being motivated by being personally afraid of getting hurt were actually sincere in their opposition to the awful things that were happening in Southeast Asia.

    According to what you say, the awful things that were happening in Southeast Asia were something you had knowledge about while supporting the war “through sheer ignorance.” I guess you supported the war not only by sheer ignorance, but also due to acceptance that
    1. in war awful things happen,
    2. readiness to participate in them
    & in contempt for people who were against what was awful in that war.

    awful
    1. extremely bad; unpleasant; disagreeable.
    2. inspiring fear; terrible: an awful noise.
    3. solemnly impressive
    (- Kernerman Webster’s College Dictionary, © 2010)

    Well, it’s difficult to understand your described position if ‘awful’ in your sentence means what awful is understood by everyone to mean. How can one be against people who are against something that’s bad & disagreeable by definition. You pretend to say something about yourself. In fact, what you’ve written in this passage is NOthing: it’s nonsensical. It’s incoherent.

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  • Hi Philip,

    There’s something else that should be added to your narrative.

    Those of the Leftist Faith hate Putin with a passion and hysteria in much the same way they hate Trump, and they hate Brexiteer Nigel Farage, and Marine Le Pen.

    This is because in spite of their different personalities, Trump, Putin Farage & Le Pen are all very similar figures.

    All have arisen during periods of crisis for “the little people” enabled by the delusions of the Leftist Faithful.

    All have proposed tough, decisive actions to bring the crisis to an end, and all have won (or will win, in the case of Le Pen) populist victories in spite of rigged polls, election fraud, media faked stories . . . and &tc.

    So to a mind blinded by fundamentalist adherence to the Leftist Faith, it seems blatantly obvious that someone like Putin would help a soulmate like Trump win over the forces of truth and light that they imagine they represent.

    And they have no self-consciousness about making complete fools of themselves believing ridiculous tales, even when directly contradicted by information providers such as Wkileaks.

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Foreign Expert
    Maybe the progs can't forgive Russia for giving up communism, unlike Cuba, which remains a good country.

    Maybe the progs can’t forgive Russia for giving up communism, unlike Cuba, which remains a good country.

    Which tells us all how blinded and ignorant of Soviet history most, and not only “progs”, US “thinkers” are. Soviet Union in WW II and post-WW II would qualify as one of the most conservative societies, in which family values were extolled and, as one example out of many, homosexuality and other LGBTIQ… ideas could land one in jail. This whole “meme” of progs and “communism” is a product of people who know next to nothing about Soviet Union. Soviet “communism” was not what many people think it was.

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    Which tells us all how blinded and ignorant of Soviet history most, and not only “progs”, US “thinkers” are. Soviet Union in WW II and post-WW II would qualify as one of the most conservative societies, in which family values were extolled and, as one example out of many, homosexuality and other LGBTIQ… ideas could land one in jail.
     
    Sounds a lot like Germany in Third Reich.
    Thank the CIA gods, all that was changed, by sustained force involving violence and 'psychological warfare,' in the long, long post-war years.

    https://www.amazon.com/Capturing-German-Eye-American-Propaganda/dp/0226301699/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1477842194&sr=8-1&keywords=capturing+the+german+eye

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  • @SolontoCroesus

    A volunteer army is a guarantee that you’ll have endless wars.
     

    So we do not go abroad in the search of war, we really are searching for peace, but its peace through strength. . . .
    I've ordered plan to begin building for the massive rebuilding of the United States military. Had great support from the Senate, I've had great from Congress, generally.
    We've pursued this rebuilding in the hopes that we will never have to use this military, and I will tell you that is my - I would be so happy if we never had to use it. But our country will never have had a military like the military we're about to build and rebuild. We have the greatest people on earth in our military, but they don't have the right equipment and their equipment is old. I used it; I talked about it at every stop. Depleted, it's depleted - it won't be depleted for long. And I think one of the reason I'm standing here instead of other people is that frankly, I talked about we have to have a strong military. -Donald Trump, Feb. 16 2017
     
    What other things do we "plan to build . . .massively" with the hope that "we will never have to use it?"

    Do we invest massively in highways with the hope that "we will never use them?"

    How about schools? Or sewer systems, waterways and water reservoirs -- is it our ardent hope, when building them, that "we will never have to use them?"

    Isn't it kinda weird to invest $600 billion in the biggest baddest military in the world, that "we hope we will never have to use," while refusing to invest in rebuilding 100 year old water lines that are carrying lead-laden waters to our homes?

    Our military [equipment] is depleted, all right: depleted uranium, poisoning the world.

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  • @Michael Pyshnov
    The very question: Why Do "Progressives" Like War? is wrong. The thing is that "Progressives" changed the tactics: they did not like war before 1991, but became warmongers after 1991. Roughly at that year America became communist and Russia moved to freedom. Almost nobody understands what happened in this palindrome year, but that change determined politics, economy, etc. for the next many decades. There was "peace movement" before 1991 - commies jewish subversives hated US and loved Russia, even sold US nuclear secrets. But then, peaceniks abruptly closed the shop. Later, when Iraq war started I listened how on Tee Vee a female peace activist (she missed the change) was admonished: "This is not the time for peace movement, dear." That communist change in US dictated to hate Russia that as you know was making steps to become an open society. Briefly, that is the explanation to the initial question, but of course it does not cover all the nuances.

    It was 1967 war that changed progressives’ position on war form being anti to being maybe or why not if it is Israel’s war.

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    It was 1967 war that changed progressives’ position on war form being anti to being maybe or why not if it is Israel’s war.
     
    And it was also when Israel felt confident enough to run its first major False Flag against the US (attack on the USS Liberty with unmarked aircraft and torpedo boats) with the aim of sinking it, blaming Egypt and getting Egypt bombed by the US. Also Johnson and McNamara were in on the project, since they urgently recalled two carrier launched rescue flights heading for the ship while it was still under attack.

    The Israelis were running Johnson, and it's not too hard to guess where they got the leverage (ref. Collins Piper's "Final Judgment").

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  • @jacques sheete

    James Schall, a wise pol sci prof, used to say “a disorder in the polity has its roots in a disorder of the soul”.
     
    Amen to that! You and he both speak de truth. And to think that the likes of P Buchanan and many many other "experts" think that imposing tariffs and building walls and demonizing Muslims and Putin and generally threatening and kicking ass are remedies for what ails us.

    Good grief.

    Well, Buchanan at least is quite probably in complete agreement with Schall. Buchanan writes about more immediate issues/policies, Schall tends to answer first questions such as “how then shall we live?”. Both have a thoroughly catholic mindset yet speak from their respective positions in life. Induction and deduction. Both approaches are valuable.

    But feel free to rant.

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    But feel free to rant.
     
    Oh, bless you! I was just waiting for your permission.
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  • @Priss Factor
    It' s not really about Libs vs Cons.

    It's about the power and domination.

    They just hide behind ideological labels to give them moral justification.

    Notice how Liberal Anglos and Conservative Anglos were both expansionist.
    Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson.

    Notice how Neocons and Liberal Zionists also seek global domination.

    It's the power.

    PS. Whatever Jews say about Russia is pure projection. They accuse Russia of doing to the US what they did to the US already. US is ruled by Zio-Glob after all.
    And given what the globalists did to Russia in the 90s(a terrible crime that led to 10 million premature deaths), it is sickening to see all this anti-Russian hysteria.

    What globalists did to Russia in the 90s was 1000x worse than whatever Russia may have done to the US.

    Theodore Roosevelt was not conservative: far from it, he was progressive to the core. And like most progressives, he loved war.

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  • I don’t think the people who call themselves “progressives” would agree that they like war! There are no more staunch supporters of a US capitulation to Putin, particularly in Ukraine, than the editors of the “leftwing” websites and the authors they post.

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  • Apr 17, 2016 David Swanson – War is a Lie

    Talk by David Swanson author of “War is a Lie” recorded April 15, 2016 at Town Hall Seattle.

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  • @dfordoom

    Progs want war as long as it does not involve themselves and their children in the fighting.
     
    Agreed, but that hypocrisy is not limited to progs. There are lots of middle-aged and elderly neocons who just love war and they and their children aren't going to be the ones doing the fighting and the dying.

    A volunteer army is a guarantee that you'll have endless wars.

    Agreed:
    I have mentioned neocons as well in my previous comments (maybe other articles). I find both ilk disgusting and disingenuous. They have both coopted their respective political parties. The progressives have turned the Dems into socialist who have no regard for the working man in this nation, with the exception of lip service. They simply use them for their own ends.

    The neocons coopted the Republican party which claims to be Conservative but its just corporatist instead, serving big business at the expense of the people who actually voted for them. What do you expect by ex Trotskyites. And how both sides love war, that other people have to fight, to show how tough and committed they are.

    For disclosure I am not a peacenik and I am probably closer to being a Paleoconservative (leaning towards Reagan Democrat / Blue Dog Democrat) but I despise the unnecessary wars that our neocon & progressive elites drag us into. They love using the military that they would never join themselves. And again I believe part of the reason, besides idealogical agendas, and dirty war profiteering, is to distract and deflect us from the major problems we have in this nation (that was created by most of our elitist political masters during the last half century).

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  • @War for Blair Mountain
    Smoothie

    Interesting comment. Where do Deep South Evangelical Christians stand on Conservative Christian Russia?

    Historically, "conservative" meant socially-culturally conservative Christian+Isolationist. Google Bill Kauffman's very interesting essay on Dwight D Eisenhower's older brother who hated the US Military.

    Evan-genitals do whatever their jewish masters tell them

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  • @Anonim
    The Left is only anti-war if they don't see that war justified. Fighting Commies wasn't justified (that was cast as evil Capitalist neocolonialist warmongers attacking progressive freedom fighters to exploit their countries), fighting "fascists" of all kinds was always glorified by them, from the Spanish Civil War. Those wars were always justified in their eyes not for national interests but for ideology. They always had a good guys vs. the bad guys worldview.
    Regarding Russia the establishment knows that Russia is a weak country, a shadow of the former USSR. They think that the job wasn't finished after the cold war, they want to settle accounts and put Russia to its place. Russia's current leadership doesn't know its place as it tries to retain Russian influence in their "near abroad", so they want to teach them a lesson. Russia having nukes is not a concern, obviously Russia's leaders aren't madmen, they won't kill themselves and have their country destroyed just to take the West with them. So they want to "contain" Russia until US troops are on the Russian-Ukrainian border. Without Ukraine Russia can't be a power to be reckoned with anymore, and that goal is achieved, Ukraine (except Crimea and the Donbass) was brought under the US sphere, the Ukrainian public has been whipped into a Russophobic frenzy enough to make any friendship between Russia and Ukraine impossible for the next decades. The self-image of that new nation is based solely on Russophobia, despite them being very similar to Russians (culturally very similar groups can hate each other compassionately too as history tells us, Northern Ireland anyone? American Civil War?). So the US strategic goal is achieved here, but the prospect of the new admin being "lenient" towards Moscow threatens this achievement enough for the US establishment to be gravely concerned.

    but Israel with the Samson option has stated numerous times it will take parts of the west down with them

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  • @mp
    Jews hate Russia. If they can't exploit her people and resources, then they hate Russia even more, and it's time for war. It's pretty much as simple as that. Nothing "progressive" about it, unless that's how you define the word. Fact is, one can replace the word Russia with the name of almost any country (with the possible exception of Israel), and the sentence remains coherent.

    jews declared war on Russia and Germany 100 years ago

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  • The “progressive left” may hate Trump because he doesn’t embrace “the usual progressive bromides that they believe are supposed to go with being antiwar”, but there’s way more to it than that. Trump is a know-nothing demagogue and hardly a peacenik. It’s only because Trump (wrongly) believes that Putin praised him, that he happens to likes Putin. That’s all there is to it. Praise him, you’re in. Denounce him, you’re the worst piece of scum that ever lived. Trump’s views on all things are either off the cuff or political ploys to win favor with a certain constituency. Do you really believe that he is against abortion? Give me a break.

    It’s unfathomable why otherwise intelligent people don’t understand why a crude and vulgar narcissistic egotist and consummate liar like Trump is completely unfit to be President. The man is extremely dangerous. Giraldi is right about the Russia-phobes. But he’s completely wrong about Trump, as well.

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  • @War for Blair Mountain
    Democratic Party Family Values!!!=PUSSY RIOT desecrating Russian Orthodox Christian Churches...

    Always thought Pussy Riot was less than organic, especially when one or two of the women went on US chat show tour. LoL. Cheers.

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  • Oh my. How much blinder if not sillier can one get. What was the number one issue in the nation before Presidents Kennedy and Johnson began to escalate in Vietnam? You got it. Civil rights. What happened during the escalation? Civil rights disappeared from the agendas. Classic. I do not like the term deep state but I hold that the Vietnam war was foisted upon the nation by the deep state of the time. One can accuse some but not even by a long-shot all progressives that they fell for it.
    Russia? Go back to the years before WW1. For a while Russia was allied with Germany. Then it switched to Great Britain. Both alliances would have brought disaster. The second actually did. Putin may want better relations with us but he knows the history of his country well that is to say he knows how vulnerable his nation is even though it is now the number one crude producer and will always keep us many arm lengths away. That does not warrant an overheated and dangerous anti-Russian policy nor does it warrant too much friendliness. I like neither the Clintonites nor the Trumpists on Russia. Treat Russia like a big Montengro.

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  • @dfordoom

    Progs want war as long as it does not involve themselves and their children in the fighting.
     
    Agreed, but that hypocrisy is not limited to progs. There are lots of middle-aged and elderly neocons who just love war and they and their children aren't going to be the ones doing the fighting and the dying.

    A volunteer army is a guarantee that you'll have endless wars.

    A volunteer army is a guarantee that you’ll have endless wars.

    So we do not go abroad in the search of war, we really are searching for peace, but its peace through strength. . . .
    I’ve ordered plan to begin building for the massive rebuilding of the United States military. Had great support from the Senate, I’ve had great from Congress, generally.
    We’ve pursued this rebuilding in the hopes that we will never have to use this military, and I will tell you that is my – I would be so happy if we never had to use it. But our country will never have had a military like the military we’re about to build and rebuild. We have the greatest people on earth in our military, but they don’t have the right equipment and their equipment is old. I used it; I talked about it at every stop. Depleted, it’s depleted – it won’t be depleted for long. And I think one of the reason I’m standing here instead of other people is that frankly, I talked about we have to have a strong military. -Donald Trump, Feb. 16 2017

    What other things do we “plan to build . . .massively” with the hope that “we will never have to use it?”

    Do we invest massively in highways with the hope that “we will never use them?”

    How about schools? Or sewer systems, waterways and water reservoirs — is it our ardent hope, when building them, that “we will never have to use them?”

    Isn’t it kinda weird to invest $600 billion in the biggest baddest military in the world, that “we hope we will never have to use,” while refusing to invest in rebuilding 100 year old water lines that are carrying lead-laden waters to our homes?

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  • @Priss Factor
    It' s not really about Libs vs Cons.

    It's about the power and domination.

    They just hide behind ideological labels to give them moral justification.

    Notice how Liberal Anglos and Conservative Anglos were both expansionist.
    Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson.

    Notice how Neocons and Liberal Zionists also seek global domination.

    It's the power.

    PS. Whatever Jews say about Russia is pure projection. They accuse Russia of doing to the US what they did to the US already. US is ruled by Zio-Glob after all.
    And given what the globalists did to Russia in the 90s(a terrible crime that led to 10 million premature deaths), it is sickening to see all this anti-Russian hysteria.

    What globalists did to Russia in the 90s was 1000x worse than whatever Russia may have done to the US.

    A lot of truth to what you say. The neocons of America still resent Putin replacing Yeltsin; looting Russia was very profitable for them. As for interfering in our elections, Russia wouldn’t be a patch on Israel’s ass when it comes to that.
    Incidentally, some very wise people have determined that that is how the neocons view Trump – America’s Yeltsin – a fool that they can skin. A fool who will get rid of what few banking regulations we have left; a fool who will cut what scant taxes we have left on the rich; a fool who will praise the “courageous Israelis as they slaughter the Palestinians”.
    As a personal peeve, I wish that there was a clear distinction between “liberal” and “progressive”. To me (and I consider myself a “progressive”), a liberal is a Hillary supporter; and a progressive is a Bernie supporter.

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  • The very question: Why Do “Progressives” Like War? is wrong. The thing is that “Progressives” changed the tactics: they did not like war before 1991, but became warmongers after 1991. Roughly at that year America became communist and Russia moved to freedom. Almost nobody understands what happened in this palindrome year, but that change determined politics, economy, etc. for the next many decades. There was “peace movement” before 1991 – commies jewish subversives hated US and loved Russia, even sold US nuclear secrets. But then, peaceniks abruptly closed the shop. Later, when Iraq war started I listened how on Tee Vee a female peace activist (she missed the change) was admonished: “This is not the time for peace movement, dear.” That communist change in US dictated to hate Russia that as you know was making steps to become an open society. Briefly, that is the explanation to the initial question, but of course it does not cover all the nuances.

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    It was 1967 war that changed progressives' position on war form being anti to being maybe or why not if it is Israel's war.
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  • Progressives like war because there’s money in it. Lots of money.

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  • It likes thunderstorms hit voiceless Earth. They are war vocalists hit all billion-people’s geopolitics.

    Military weapons or toys?
    Humanbeings or non-humanbeings?
    Think

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  • @gwynedd1
    When? Russia wasn't the enemy in the 19th century and well into the 20th. They should have been American allies against their common European enemies at that time. However the West was able to destroy the Russian empire and cook up the Soviet occupation.

    When? Russia wasn’t the enemy in the 19th century

    Not to Americans, but British Russophobia goes back to the very early 19th century. The British saw Russia as a threat to the British Empire, just as the Russia is now seen as an obstacle to America’s imperial ambitions.

    The Crimean War in 1854 was caused by exactly the kind of hysterical media paranoia that we see today.

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  • @joef
    Progs want war as long as it does not involve themselves and their children in the fighting. Hippies were antiwar, during Vietnam War era, because they did not want to go, otherwise most of them wouldn't even care (being the self absorbed selfish brats that they are).

    Further hypocrisy of the progs is that when the Soviets were Communist they could do no wrong. Now that they are Russia under Putin, they can do nothing right and must be challenged (could it be the fact that Putin describes Russia as a Christian nation, a religion that the progs abhors).

    Besides the greed of the military industrial congressional complex wanting perpetual war for profits (again as long at they are not doing the fighting), I believe that this constant call for warfare (Iraq, now Russia) by our political masters is to distract us from our own domestic problems:

    With war they will try to make us forget about:
    - - our low employment participation rate,
    - - underemployment,
    - - savings interest rate that is lower than the inflation rate,
    - - the overhyped stock market,
    - - the trillion of dollars of private debt bubbles (college, automobile, and credit cards),
    - - the national debt now starting to exceed our annual GDP,
    - - failure in education (with declining levels in literacy, science, & mathematics, while being a money pit in property tax),
    - - crumbling infrastructure (whose maintenance was suppose to be budgeted on a annual basis but was not),
    - - eventual Social Security bankruptcy (wasn't that suppose to be a trust fund taken from your paychecks' fica deduction),
    - - many urban American cities teetering on default (from perpetual entitlement spending),
    - - anti white race relations with African Americans (which is a problem that even most so called 'conservative' Republican pundits & radio hosts will no longer talk about),
    - - and rising urban violent crime (where the real war is, to which when Governors and Presidents take the oath of office, they promise to protect us from all enemies foreign and domestic, to which they have failed to do against the domestic side, while meddling unnecessarily on the foreign side).

    War will be pushed by the politicians (of both parties: socialist prog democrats & corporatist neocon republicans), MSM, academia, pundits, lobbyist, and other political lackeys, because the alternative is to have us, the unwashed populist masses, realize what a mess they made of things. And they cannot have that, so war is their only option (and besides there is profit in it...for them).

    Progs want war as long as it does not involve themselves and their children in the fighting.

    Agreed, but that hypocrisy is not limited to progs. There are lots of middle-aged and elderly neocons who just love war and they and their children aren’t going to be the ones doing the fighting and the dying.

    A volunteer army is a guarantee that you’ll have endless wars.

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    A volunteer army is a guarantee that you’ll have endless wars.
     

    So we do not go abroad in the search of war, we really are searching for peace, but its peace through strength. . . .
    I've ordered plan to begin building for the massive rebuilding of the United States military. Had great support from the Senate, I've had great from Congress, generally.
    We've pursued this rebuilding in the hopes that we will never have to use this military, and I will tell you that is my - I would be so happy if we never had to use it. But our country will never have had a military like the military we're about to build and rebuild. We have the greatest people on earth in our military, but they don't have the right equipment and their equipment is old. I used it; I talked about it at every stop. Depleted, it's depleted - it won't be depleted for long. And I think one of the reason I'm standing here instead of other people is that frankly, I talked about we have to have a strong military. -Donald Trump, Feb. 16 2017
     
    What other things do we "plan to build . . .massively" with the hope that "we will never have to use it?"

    Do we invest massively in highways with the hope that "we will never use them?"

    How about schools? Or sewer systems, waterways and water reservoirs -- is it our ardent hope, when building them, that "we will never have to use them?"

    Isn't it kinda weird to invest $600 billion in the biggest baddest military in the world, that "we hope we will never have to use," while refusing to invest in rebuilding 100 year old water lines that are carrying lead-laden waters to our homes?

    , @joef
    Agreed:
    I have mentioned neocons as well in my previous comments (maybe other articles). I find both ilk disgusting and disingenuous. They have both coopted their respective political parties. The progressives have turned the Dems into socialist who have no regard for the working man in this nation, with the exception of lip service. They simply use them for their own ends.

    The neocons coopted the Republican party which claims to be Conservative but its just corporatist instead, serving big business at the expense of the people who actually voted for them. What do you expect by ex Trotskyites. And how both sides love war, that other people have to fight, to show how tough and committed they are.

    For disclosure I am not a peacenik and I am probably closer to being a Paleoconservative (leaning towards Reagan Democrat / Blue Dog Democrat) but I despise the unnecessary wars that our neocon & progressive elites drag us into. They love using the military that they would never join themselves. And again I believe part of the reason, besides idealogical agendas, and dirty war profiteering, is to distract and deflect us from the major problems we have in this nation (that was created by most of our elitist political masters during the last half century).

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  • I have had a profound suspicion of labels since childhood.  Being a youngster during WWII, I could never understand why the Germans were uniquely evil and their Anglo-Saxon brethren were not. Since then, I realise that language can be used to both enlighten and mislead; it can make truth appear false and falsehood seem true.  How can we tell?  Consistency is one way and its reverse, hypocrisy, another. The Ancient Greeks taught the world something about logical fallacies. Labels of ‘right’ and ‘left’ that once had meaning are now totally empty of such meaning. Likewise with ‘liberals’, ‘conservatives’ and ‘progressives’. They once had meanings concerned with trade and exchange among nations, now commingled and confused with ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’.
    Language has lost much of its meaning as is used more to incite emotions leading either to apathy, or else to intemperate and often violent actions such as we are now witnessing. How will it end? Humans now have the ability to wipe out life on earth – by unleashing nuclear radiation willy-nilly, by smothering the earth with greenhouse gases, and by arrogantly manipulating the stuff of life itself, cellular DNA, in a bid to confound and outdo nature.

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  • Maybe the progs can’t forgive Russia for giving up communism, unlike Cuba, which remains a good country.

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    Maybe the progs can’t forgive Russia for giving up communism, unlike Cuba, which remains a good country.
     
    Which tells us all how blinded and ignorant of Soviet history most, and not only "progs", US "thinkers" are. Soviet Union in WW II and post-WW II would qualify as one of the most conservative societies, in which family values were extolled and, as one example out of many, homosexuality and other LGBTIQ... ideas could land one in jail. This whole "meme" of progs and "communism" is a product of people who know next to nothing about Soviet Union. Soviet "communism" was not what many people think it was.
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  • @john cronk
    Philip, I really appreciate your astute reasoning but have been studying and spending time in Croatia for a few years and fail completely to understand your take on the Balkan war of the 1990s.

    Do you mean to say that you are objective about the Balkan wars of 1990s because you have spoken to one side for a few years? Well, that would be the US style objectivity, the same one creating all the wars around the globe.

    If the US and Germany did not support dissolution of Yugoslavia (by supporting Slovenian, Croatian, Bosnian Muslim, Albanian, even Montenegrian separatism), there would have been no war. But Yugoslavia served out its purpose of being a buffer zone between the two blocks after WW2, and there was no need for it from the Western standpoint, damn the people who lived in the country.

    Therefore, if you want to point and blame the parties for the Balkan wars of 1990s, then how about you point your finger at the mirror?

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  • @jacques sheete
    There were pretty strong antiwar sentiments prior to US involvement in WW1, to the point that Wilson ran for re-election stating that he kept us out of war. I don't remember the names of actual groups but socialists, Communists and Republican Progressives ( to name just three groups) of the time were against involvement in Europe's wars. I believe LaFollette, Borah and Jeanette Rankin were very much against the war as well.

    American and especially British propaganda suckered us in. Germany was very unfairly vilified in much the same way Putin is today and for astonishingly similar reasons. The Brits were masters at fanning the flames of enmity against anyone who even hinted at becoming competition in any way, using the excuse that they were maintaining a so called balance of power in Europe.

    Likewise, US "elites" seem to dread the possibility of Russia and China linking up and will lie like Hell to make them appear as the evil ones. Pretty sick stuff.

    Yes, and pacifist sentiments and antiwar activities in the United States go back even further to at least the so-called American Civil War, and we really should not be surprised; after all, what sane person wants war?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_American_Civil_War

    After WWI, Gen. Butler’s book War is a Racket and his nationwide speaking tours helped educate the public about war profiteers, and the strong-arm tactics of big business, which led to formation of the Nye Committee:

    The so-called “Senate Munitions Committee” came into being because of widespread reports that manufacturers of armaments had unduly influenced the American decision to enter the war in 1917. These weapons’ suppliers had reaped enormous profits at the cost of more than 53,000 American battle deaths. As local conflicts reignited in Europe through the early 1930s, suggesting the possibility of a second world war, concern spread that these “merchants of death” would again drag the United States into a struggle that was none of its business. The time had come for a full congressional inquiry.
    [...]
    The investigation came to an abrupt end early in 1936. The Senate cut off committee funding after Chairman Nye blundered into an attack on the late Democratic President Woodrow Wilson. Nye suggested that Wilson had withheld essential information from Congress as it considered a declaration of war. Democratic leaders, including Appropriations Committee Chairman Carter Glass of Virginia, unleashed a furious response against Nye for “dirtdaubing the sepulcher of Woodrow Wilson.” Standing before cheering colleagues in a packed Senate Chamber, Glass slammed his fist onto his desk until blood dripped from his knuckles.

    https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/merchants_of_death.htm

    In his speech to Congress on April 2, 1917, President Wilson had claimed that the SS Sussex had been sunk by the Germans. Four days later, the United States declared war on Germany. It wasn’t until later, when U.S. troops were fighting in Europe, that some of the truth about the Sussex emerged. The ship had not been sunk, but had wallowed into port after being torpedoed.

    Far from blundering in his attack on Wilson, Rep. Gerald Nye was right on the money, but he learned what Sen. Joe McCarthy was to learn two decades later:

    The truth alone may not suffice.

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    I wrote:

    In his speech to Congress on April 2, 1917, President Wilson had claimed that the SS Sussex had been sunk by the Germans.
     
    That is incorrect. I have checked this speech
    Address to a Joint Session of Congress Requesting a Declaration of War Against Germany,
    and there is no mention of the Sussex in it.

    Wilson merely mentions submarines eight times, including:

    Because submarines are in effect outlaws when used as the German submarines have been used against merchant shipping,
     
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=65366

    Wilson did cite the Sussex in his Address to a Joint Session of Congress on German Violations of International Law, April 19, 1916:

    One of the latest and most shocking instances of this method of warfare was that of the destruction of the French cross-Channel steamer Sussex . It must stand forth, as the sinking of the steamer Lusitania did, as so singularly tragical and unjustifiable as to constitute a truly terrible example of the inhumanity of submarine warfare as the commanders of German vessels have for the past twelvemonth been conducting it.
     
    http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=65390

    And of course we know that the Sussex, though damaged, did not sink, and wallowed to port, where it was photographed.

    'Just to set the record straight. Thanks.
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  • @Jason Liu
    You're thinking like a right winger. The left doesn't really care about geopolitics, they fear Russia because Russia represents an enemy to their social values. As in nationalism, inequality, etc.

    The left is more than willing, and feels morally justified to use violence in the name of anti-racism, anti-sexism, and so on. It's always been that way, they just hide it better when they don't feel threatened.

    When it comes to the American leftist use of violence, most (but not all, some are actually sincere, although misguided) are just pansies. Like the elites, they want others to fight their wars for them. They like to commit violence in social warrior demos until the police get rough back, and then they complain. They like to intellectually bully blue collar working class men, who disagree with them, until they provoke a physically violent outcome. And they blow up people from afar with wanton disregard for human life, or shoot people in the back by ambush, like cowards.

    Their “moral justification” is just an excuse to act like the insufferable entitled cry babies that they really are, who are incapable of dealing with any real hardship in their personal lives. Its not that they hide it better when they don’t feel threatened, its that they hide until they can commit a sneak attack.

    Most Leftist contributed nothing but societal decay, yet they exalt themselves ad nauseam (with a self delusion of being indispensable). They are incapable of surviving without the legal protections of modern society. They would simply die off if things fell apart because they live in a world of make believe accomplishments, living off the host society, mostly incapable of self reliance. Their die off will be of no consequence, as their actual substantive contributions to the necessities of life are in fact minimal. They are disrupters, not builders, and their loss from a die off would be everyone else’s gain. [And even if you are not like that, most of your leftist fellow travelers are!]

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  • @utu
    Left or right distinction does not matter anymore in the US as far as the foreign policy is concerned. A war for oil or war for democracy or war for gay rights is still the same war.

    "immaculate conception of U.S. (foreign) policy"
    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/02/the-blind-sheik-and-the-cia-media-bury-us-support-for-radical-islamism.html

    "The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It's a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis. "

    It’s a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis.

    It’s mainly the American people who are hypnotised. Most of the world can see the US colossus for what it is, and it ain’t pretty.

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  • @mp
    Jews hate Russia. If they can't exploit her people and resources, then they hate Russia even more, and it's time for war. It's pretty much as simple as that. Nothing "progressive" about it, unless that's how you define the word. Fact is, one can replace the word Russia with the name of almost any country (with the possible exception of Israel), and the sentence remains coherent.

    If the wealthy and powerful want war, then there will be war. If the wealthy and powerful want peace, there will be peace.

    Now who are the wealthy and powerful? (Rhetorical Question) They’ll want peace when and if they own all the world’s wealth, and the rest of us are slaves.

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  • @Seamus Padraig
    I think the original anti-war movement were the America First Committees of the 1930s, who heeded Smedley Butler's observation that "war is a racket" and tried (unsuccessfully, of course) to prevent America's entry into WWII. Frank Roosevelt, though, had other ideas ...

    There were pretty strong antiwar sentiments prior to US involvement in WW1, to the point that Wilson ran for re-election stating that he kept us out of war. I don’t remember the names of actual groups but socialists, Communists and Republican Progressives ( to name just three groups) of the time were against involvement in Europe’s wars. I believe LaFollette, Borah and Jeanette Rankin were very much against the war as well.

    American and especially British propaganda suckered us in. Germany was very unfairly vilified in much the same way Putin is today and for astonishingly similar reasons. The Brits were masters at fanning the flames of enmity against anyone who even hinted at becoming competition in any way, using the excuse that they were maintaining a so called balance of power in Europe.

    Likewise, US “elites” seem to dread the possibility of Russia and China linking up and will lie like Hell to make them appear as the evil ones. Pretty sick stuff.

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    Yes, and pacifist sentiments and antiwar activities in the United States go back even further to at least the so-called American Civil War, and we really should not be surprised; after all, what sane person wants war?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_to_the_American_Civil_War

    After WWI, Gen. Butler's book War is a Racket and his nationwide speaking tours helped educate the public about war profiteers, and the strong-arm tactics of big business, which led to formation of the Nye Committee:

    The so-called “Senate Munitions Committee” came into being because of widespread reports that manufacturers of armaments had unduly influenced the American decision to enter the war in 1917. These weapons’ suppliers had reaped enormous profits at the cost of more than 53,000 American battle deaths. As local conflicts reignited in Europe through the early 1930s, suggesting the possibility of a second world war, concern spread that these “merchants of death” would again drag the United States into a struggle that was none of its business. The time had come for a full congressional inquiry.
    [...]
    The investigation came to an abrupt end early in 1936. The Senate cut off committee funding after Chairman Nye blundered into an attack on the late Democratic President Woodrow Wilson. Nye suggested that Wilson had withheld essential information from Congress as it considered a declaration of war. Democratic leaders, including Appropriations Committee Chairman Carter Glass of Virginia, unleashed a furious response against Nye for “dirtdaubing the sepulcher of Woodrow Wilson.” Standing before cheering colleagues in a packed Senate Chamber, Glass slammed his fist onto his desk until blood dripped from his knuckles.
     
    https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/merchants_of_death.htm

    In his speech to Congress on April 2, 1917, President Wilson had claimed that the SS Sussex had been sunk by the Germans. Four days later, the United States declared war on Germany. It wasn't until later, when U.S. troops were fighting in Europe, that some of the truth about the Sussex emerged. The ship had not been sunk, but had wallowed into port after being torpedoed.

    Far from blundering in his attack on Wilson, Rep. Gerald Nye was right on the money, but he learned what Sen. Joe McCarthy was to learn two decades later:

    The truth alone may not suffice.
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  • @Veritatis
    I don't think it's embarrassing. James Schall, a wise pol sci prof, used to say "a disorder in the polity has its roots in a disorder of the soul". We can quibble about the specifics, and the foreign policy/social order eruptions, but you're on target.

    Even 20 years ago, I could not have imagined a US presidential candidate as thoroughly corrupt as Hillary Clinton. That she was the acclaimed candidate tells you something about the state of America's soul. Best wishes in cleaning house though.

    James Schall, a wise pol sci prof, used to say “a disorder in the polity has its roots in a disorder of the soul”.

    Amen to that! You and he both speak de truth. And to think that the likes of P Buchanan and many many other “experts” think that imposing tariffs and building walls and demonizing Muslims and Putin and generally threatening and kicking ass are remedies for what ails us.

    Good grief.

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    Well, Buchanan at least is quite probably in complete agreement with Schall. Buchanan writes about more immediate issues/policies, Schall tends to answer first questions such as "how then shall we live?". Both have a thoroughly catholic mindset yet speak from their respective positions in life. Induction and deduction. Both approaches are valuable.

    But feel free to rant.
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  • these “progressives” are not the same as the old progressives.

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  • @mtn cur
    It's the power for the puppet masters but a fashion statement for the parade chasing idiots.

    It’s the power for the puppet masters but a fashion statement for the parade chasing idiots.

    OMG, if dat ain’t de truth!

    Good one!

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  • @Seamus Padraig
    Well, without Sebastopol Russia certainly could not be a naval power, as they would then have no ports that weren't frozen at least half the year; not to mention the fact that their southern flank would be vulnerable to attack. Now you understand their annexation of Crimea.

    Well, without Sebastopol Russia certainly could not be a naval power, as they would then have no ports that weren’t frozen at least half the year; not to mention the fact that their southern flank would be vulnerable to attack.

    Your knowledge of the geography is… typical.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

    Here is a table of all Russian ports. Not-freezing ones are highlighted in blue. Knock yourself out.

    Now you understand their annexation of Crimea.

    We didn’t annex anything – period. If the Western MSM and butthurt Ukrs believe in that it doesn’t mean that the people still capable of higher cognitive functions should.

    P.S. It’s Sevastopol.

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  • @Lyttenburgh

    Without Ukraine Russia can’t be a power to be reckoned with anymore
     
    Why? Please, provide your proof.

    I see that you smoked too much Brzezinsky. I only ask do you have your own opinion.

    Well, without Sebastopol Russia certainly could not be a naval power, as they would then have no ports that weren’t frozen at least half the year; not to mention the fact that their southern flank would be vulnerable to attack. Now you understand their annexation of Crimea.

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    Well, without Sebastopol Russia certainly could not be a naval power, as they would then have no ports that weren’t frozen at least half the year; not to mention the fact that their southern flank would be vulnerable to attack.
     
    Your knowledge of the geography is... typical.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

    Here is a table of all Russian ports. Not-freezing ones are highlighted in blue. Knock yourself out.


    Now you understand their annexation of Crimea.
     
    We didn't annex anything - period. If the Western MSM and butthurt Ukrs believe in that it doesn't mean that the people still capable of higher cognitive functions should.

    P.S. It's Sevastopol.

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  • @Sparkon
    #35 joef says:

    Hippies were antiwar, during Vietnam War era.
     
    The truth is that the original anti-war movement in the United States - whose members had heretofore been called "Peaceniks" - was co-opted by the Hippies in the early to mid-60s in what proved to be an effective effort to splinter, marginalize, and discredit the nascent peace movement by associating it with long hair, free love, and marijuana.

    It wasn't until returning U.S veterans of the Viet Nam War had gained a critical mass that the anti-war movement regained both legitimacy and direction, which helped bring that tragic, senseless war to an end.

    All the Hippies succeeded in doing was bringing the law down hard on everyone's head, and providing plausible justification for accelerating the War on Drugs.

    But whether or not either the Peaceniks, or the Hippies, could accurately be called Progressives is difficult for me to resolve, and a moot point anyway, in light of today's predilection for loose, sloppy language, and the games people play with words.

    Of course, I am not talking about Philip Giraldi, who is an outstanding writer with a valuable perspective, and one of the major reasons I now read daily at The Unz Review.

    But until someone can produce a precise, universally accepted definition of Progressive I'd hesitate to assign likes or dislikes to such an ill-defined collection of interests, whose meaning has evolved over time. Indeed, these word games are a significant part of the problem, because for the mindbenders, media masters, and their wordsmiths, equivocation is not only fair play, but a regular tactic, as is ad hom, and virtually the entire suite of logical fallacies.

    Beyond that, when even illogic fails, there's always the Grand Lie, like intercontinental drones, or attacking PT boats that can be used to Light My Fire, or yours.

    The late Dave McGowan's Weird Scenes Inside Laurel Canyon sheds a lot of brilliant light on the connections between your favorite 60s musician, the Hippies, the MIC, and even my previous paragraph.

    I'd always been a little suspicious about the sudden, sensational appearance of the Fab Four as a perfect and timely distraction from that little business down in Dallas the previous November. It's really amazing that the moptops, none of whom could either read or write music, were nevertheless able to lay down such an incredible streak of hits as the Beatles did in the Spring of '64, my senior year in high school, and continuing for several years thereafter, during which time the Beatles were knighted by the Queen, whom the Rolling Stones had honored with their album: Their Satanic Majesties Request, if you need any further q's to watch with your p's.

    By August 1964, I was down at Lackland AFB in my 3rd week of Basic when my training flight was awakened in the middle of the night to the sound of a nearby B-52 wing going on full alert: Admiral Morrison's destroyer flotilla was doing its phantom dick-dance with the reputed PT boats halfway 'round the world, and the Air Force was revving up its bombers.

    By the time my two hitches in the AF were up, virtually all of my fellow vets at university were against the war, despite our disparate majors, interests, and backgrounds.

    The last hurrah of the anti-war movement seems to have been the massive 2003 protests in the United States and Europe during the run-up to the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

    People took to the streets because the propaganda was so transparently bogus, with the actual news reports casting doubt on, or even contradicting, the lurid headlines.

    But the peace marches did no good. The U.S. invaded a sovereign nation, deposed its leader, and left the place in chaos and ruins.

    Since then, those with anti-war sentiments have abandoned the streets, and taken to the internet, where there are new kinds of Hippies to lead us astray.

    I think the original anti-war movement were the America First Committees of the 1930s, who heeded Smedley Butler’s observation that “war is a racket” and tried (unsuccessfully, of course) to prevent America’s entry into WWII. Frank Roosevelt, though, had other ideas …

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    There were pretty strong antiwar sentiments prior to US involvement in WW1, to the point that Wilson ran for re-election stating that he kept us out of war. I don't remember the names of actual groups but socialists, Communists and Republican Progressives ( to name just three groups) of the time were against involvement in Europe's wars. I believe LaFollette, Borah and Jeanette Rankin were very much against the war as well.

    American and especially British propaganda suckered us in. Germany was very unfairly vilified in much the same way Putin is today and for astonishingly similar reasons. The Brits were masters at fanning the flames of enmity against anyone who even hinted at becoming competition in any way, using the excuse that they were maintaining a so called balance of power in Europe.

    Likewise, US "elites" seem to dread the possibility of Russia and China linking up and will lie like Hell to make them appear as the evil ones. Pretty sick stuff.
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  • You’re thinking like a right winger. The left doesn’t really care about geopolitics, they fear Russia because Russia represents an enemy to their social values. As in nationalism, inequality, etc.

    The left is more than willing, and feels morally justified to use violence in the name of anti-racism, anti-sexism, and so on. It’s always been that way, they just hide it better when they don’t feel threatened.

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    When it comes to the American leftist use of violence, most (but not all, some are actually sincere, although misguided) are just pansies. Like the elites, they want others to fight their wars for them. They like to commit violence in social warrior demos until the police get rough back, and then they complain. They like to intellectually bully blue collar working class men, who disagree with them, until they provoke a physically violent outcome. And they blow up people from afar with wanton disregard for human life, or shoot people in the back by ambush, like cowards.

    Their "moral justification" is just an excuse to act like the insufferable entitled cry babies that they really are, who are incapable of dealing with any real hardship in their personal lives. Its not that they hide it better when they don't feel threatened, its that they hide until they can commit a sneak attack.

    Most Leftist contributed nothing but societal decay, yet they exalt themselves ad nauseam (with a self delusion of being indispensable). They are incapable of surviving without the legal protections of modern society. They would simply die off if things fell apart because they live in a world of make believe accomplishments, living off the host society, mostly incapable of self reliance. Their die off will be of no consequence, as their actual substantive contributions to the necessities of life are in fact minimal. They are disrupters, not builders, and their loss from a die off would be everyone else's gain. [And even if you are not like that, most of your leftist fellow travelers are!]

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  • @Chris Bridges
    As usual, Mr. Giraldi has written an excellent article. He has left out the core reason for the insane anti-Russia crusade, however. Russia under Putin, a Russia trying to rebuild its historic Christian roots, is a standing affront to certain people (whether Putin is sincere or this is a cynical ploy by him to revive an authentic Russian nationalism is irrelevant). This turn towards the Russian past enrages a certain part of the Jewish community and, in particular, the spiritual and often literal descendants of the followers of Leon Trotsky. These are the people who brought us the Bolshevik Revolution. Stalin ran Trotsky out of Russia and then, slowly and incompletely, began to remove his followers from power as well. By the time the Soviet Union collapsed a tremendous tsunami of hatred towards Jews had built up in Russia - ordinary Russians understand perfectly well who staffed the Cheka and tried to wipe out their national existence. To be sure many Jews were entirely innocent of participation in Communist crimes and had not benefited over much from them, but that hardly matters in a charged situation such as the fall of an empire. Jews the world over (and especially in the U.S.) are hypersensitive to potential "threats" and they sure saw one in the new Russia. The Kristols in America have used pathetic dupes like McCain and Graham skillfully. They have also used the proverbial ignorance of Americans about world history to convince them that Russia today is the old USSR. It isn't and, in fact, we have no legitimate fight with Russia over anything. Ukraine's artificial borders hardly concern us and it is obvious that we were responsible for starting the Syrian "civil war", with Israel pulling the strings in Washington. These anti-Russian morons should just shut up.

    Russians understand perfectly well who staffed the Cheka and tried to wipe out their national existence.

    Do you have any proof that Cheka (whatever you understand by that – OGPU? NKVD?) tried “wipo out” my, Russian, existence. Thanks in advance.

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  • @john cronk
    Philip, I really appreciate your astute reasoning but have been studying and spending time in Croatia for a few years and fail completely to understand your take on the Balkan war of the 1990s.

    It wasn’t a reference to the war in Croatia – he was clearly talking about the ’99 intervention in Serbia/Kosovo. Granted, that’s hardly “the heart of Europe” but a bit of poetic licence is to be expected.

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  • @Anonim
    The Left is only anti-war if they don't see that war justified. Fighting Commies wasn't justified (that was cast as evil Capitalist neocolonialist warmongers attacking progressive freedom fighters to exploit their countries), fighting "fascists" of all kinds was always glorified by them, from the Spanish Civil War. Those wars were always justified in their eyes not for national interests but for ideology. They always had a good guys vs. the bad guys worldview.
    Regarding Russia the establishment knows that Russia is a weak country, a shadow of the former USSR. They think that the job wasn't finished after the cold war, they want to settle accounts and put Russia to its place. Russia's current leadership doesn't know its place as it tries to retain Russian influence in their "near abroad", so they want to teach them a lesson. Russia having nukes is not a concern, obviously Russia's leaders aren't madmen, they won't kill themselves and have their country destroyed just to take the West with them. So they want to "contain" Russia until US troops are on the Russian-Ukrainian border. Without Ukraine Russia can't be a power to be reckoned with anymore, and that goal is achieved, Ukraine (except Crimea and the Donbass) was brought under the US sphere, the Ukrainian public has been whipped into a Russophobic frenzy enough to make any friendship between Russia and Ukraine impossible for the next decades. The self-image of that new nation is based solely on Russophobia, despite them being very similar to Russians (culturally very similar groups can hate each other compassionately too as history tells us, Northern Ireland anyone? American Civil War?). So the US strategic goal is achieved here, but the prospect of the new admin being "lenient" towards Moscow threatens this achievement enough for the US establishment to be gravely concerned.

    Without Ukraine Russia can’t be a power to be reckoned with anymore

    Why? Please, provide your proof.

    I see that you smoked too much Brzezinsky. I only ask do you have your own opinion.

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    Well, without Sebastopol Russia certainly could not be a naval power, as they would then have no ports that weren't frozen at least half the year; not to mention the fact that their southern flank would be vulnerable to attack. Now you understand their annexation of Crimea.
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  • @War for Blair Mountain
    Phil

    Larger picture:

    1)Donald Trump wants regime change in Syria..


    2)Donald Trump wants regime change in Moscow...


    3)Donald Trump will bomb Shia Muslim Iran...



    Donald Trump's MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!! jobs program=1-3...


    The good jobs were already here in the US....they were handed over to Asian Legal Immigrants and their US born Asian GENELINE....


    Donald Trump will poison and frack America's pristine wilderness areas to create jobs for one billion "Americans"...

    As of today...I despise the Trump-Kushner Dynasty...

    Lighten up, Francis.

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  • @Si Dirst
    Yes, the anti-Vietnam war crowd, after ducking out of their own military service, now seek to play the war game with other folk's children as disposable pawns.

    Orthodox Christian Europe-Russia has found its feet and is rapidly rebuilding... overall that's good news. The US should fully ally with them and rebuild Christendom.

    The idea of using muslims against Russia arose in the US government 40+ years ago under Jimmy Carter. Yes, President Carter got talked into this policy-strategy by his Polish security advisor Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski - a serious Russia hater. Break Russia with muslims, free Poland. Hmm, that worked... let's try it again.

    The rest is mainly about money & power. The US prints fiat money from paper and forces other countries to take it in exchange for real goods & services; military force is used upon those demanding gold or any non-US $ payment. This is why Iraq (demanded €) and Lybia (demanded gold) were mikitarily invaded.

    Russia is nuclear armed so they are not easily invaded... so the strategic plan is to hurt their economy, hence sanctions. It is not working... Russia is almost 100% debt free and will be fully debt free by the end of 2017. Hmm, well, what about cutting off Russian sales of oil & gas to Europe ? Well that idea needs Saudi oil & Qatari gas to be able to get up to Europe to replace the Blocked Russian oil & gas... so WE NEED A PIPELINE up to Europe and it needs to transit SYRIA; so THAT's why Assad is bad, he said "no pipeline" via Syria as it would hurt his ally Russia. That is why the proxy war in Syria is raging; the US is trying to cut Tussia's financial throat and the Russians know it well.

    Meanwhile, the Russians & Chinese are buying and holding GOLD every month - NOT US $. This is steadily creating a $ reserve alternative as the US is addicted to Chinese goods and Europe is addicted to Russian oil & gas. Importantly, Russia & China can see that the US can NOT afford its large global military unless it can pay for it with easly printed fiat US $. So, Russia & China are playing the long game... trade every month with the US & Europe in US $ and then trade the US $ for gold and drag the physical gold in behind their nuclear defense shield. In this long game, financial gravity will weaken the US $ until US troops have to be brought back to the US due to their increasing overseas financial cost.

    Another way to look at this is, "No taxation without representation." The US $' role as the global reserve currency has allowed it to tax the entire planet simply by printing US $. As long as the US behaved militarily, this was acceptable. After Clinton bombed Syria and expanded NATO eastward, the Russians and Chinese began to rearm. The 2008 financial crash accelerated their move to physical gold as the new global reserve "currency."

    China & Russia both know that the US plan is to divide them & conquer. Russia has oil & gas, gold, & military technology. China has gold and very modern manufacturing that supports tradable consumer goods. Both are now self-sufficient in food.

    So, the US has been check-mated. Show military restraint, or give Russia & China a voice in how global taxes are levied and spent, or go financially broke. It's really that simple. Some will counsel war but that would go nuclear.

    Basically, everything you say here is true.

    THAT’s why Assad is bad, he said “no pipeline” via Syria as it would hurt his ally Russia. That is why the proxy war in Syria is raging; the US is trying to cut Tussia’s financial throat and the Russians know it well.

    That’s true as well, although you did leave something else important out: Syria was already pledged to a pipeline originating in Iran and passing through Iraq before reaching them.

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  • @Veritatis
    I don't think it's embarrassing. James Schall, a wise pol sci prof, used to say "a disorder in the polity has its roots in a disorder of the soul". We can quibble about the specifics, and the foreign policy/social order eruptions, but you're on target.

    Even 20 years ago, I could not have imagined a US presidential candidate as thoroughly corrupt as Hillary Clinton. That she was the acclaimed candidate tells you something about the state of America's soul. Best wishes in cleaning house though.

    Veritatis, thanks, and also for the reference to Prof. James Schall, S. J. I did a quick scan of his Wikipedia page. I dislike my characterization of American foreign policy as “gangbanger-ized”, and, I suppose, I likewise think of domestic policy as “racketeer-ized”, but, good Lord, when you examine the detailed history of our interventions and policies, what else can one think?

    FWIW-libertarians, isolationists, and many traditional conservatives have, I think, long noted how warfare distracts people from government aggrandizement and encroachment on civil liberties, property rights, and so on. The notion of governance by permanent war is repugnant, but, again I’m not sure what else to think?

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  • The sad 21st Century washed-up radical, Bob Dylan:

    “”It’s Alright, Ma, only Radical Islam is bleeding.”

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    "It's alright, ma, only radical Islam is bleeding ".

    When Bob Dylan performs in Israel does he have the chutzpah today to sing his passionate anti war diddys.

    Relatively little attention has been paid to his 1983 song "Neighborhood Bully" - a rare declaration of full- theoated Israel support by a mainstream American rocker.

    Robert Allen Zimmerman is a fraud. His anti war activism is as phony as his celebratory name. The lyrics equate Israel with an "exiled man, " who is unjustly labeled a bully for fending off constant attacks by his neighbors.

    He should drop the Goyis sounding name and use his Hebrew name ( Shatai Zisl Ben Abraham) and stop pretending he is against all wars.

    Today, Robert Allen Zimmerman represents those anti Vietnam war liberal progressives, who now support the wars for Israel.

    The anti war progressives of Dylan's era are too old to be drafted.

    It's alright, Ma, only American boys of military age are dying for Israel.

    Keith
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