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    From everything I've heard Swedes seem like very pleasant people, rather agreeable to have around, while my personal experience with Mexicans leads me to a similar conclusion. But suppose so many millions of Swedes poured across the borders into our southern neighbor that within just a few decades Mexico City had become majority Swedish, while...
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    I hope then that you're not Irish, Italian, Greek or Slavic. This country was never meant for "all white people" or "all European people." This country was created by Anglo-Germanic protestants FOR Anglo-Germanic protestants. Shall we send back all the other "lesser European groups" as well?

    “This country was never meant for “all white people”

    Heh. Read, and learn — the Naturalization Act of 1790:

    Please locate the words “Anglo-Germanic Protestants” (or a similar formulation) in this legislation. Thanks.

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  • No verdict in the trial of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate could deliver satisfactory justice for the killing of Kate Steinle, a 32-year-old woman who was shot on July 1, 2015, as she was strolling with her father along Pier 14 in San Francisco. On Thursday, Garcia Zarate was acquitted of the homicide — or even...
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    I'm no expert on SF -- but my daughter worked and lived right in Union Square for 3 years, and I spent a bunch of time there... specifically in SOMA.

    I got a snoutful of "gentrified" San Francisco where the Tenderloin meets the new improved Folsom Street.

    How many Americans know that the Folsom Parade is fully sanctioned by the population of that city... it's a gay parade.... but more than that... it's a full on homosexual romp - complete with public sodomy, fellatio... S&M cages...

    ALL WHILE TODDLERS RIDE ON THEIR PARENTS SHOULDERS ... sucking on penis popsicles.

    THAT SAID.... after the horror of Folsom ... it's easier to understand the pathologies at work in SF.

    This verdict was predictable... a thumb in the eye of blue eyed, blonde haired America.

    Had the victim been a seal or a bull dyke... the verdict would have been death.

    SF hates US ..... HATES ALL WE ARE.... and the verdict was their way of giving us the finger---

    --- as they offer their children penis popsicles... and watch men give and receive each other on the streets of the NEW improved SOMA

    There is a lot worse things the male homos do that are not done in the Folsom parade.

    When I lived there the public health department had to step into the sadism bondage scene. Public health departments keep track of deaths and injuries. So many homos killed each other in their bondage sadism activities that the public health department had to develop and teach the homos ways to enjoy their bondage thing without killing each other. There are other things I won’t say here. Some of it is unbelievable when one first hears about it, such as the use of glass topped tables and I guess it could be called prostate massage.

    The AIDS epidemic was created right there in the San Francisco and NYC bathhouses.

    SOMA used to be just a skid row of drunks, bums and cheap falling down hotels. Now its a million times worse.

    When Dianne Feinstein was on the board of supervisors and later Mayor she used to hold lesbian weddings in her home. They weren’t really weddings of course, just ceremonies. Gavin Newsom slatted to be governor of California is gay as well. San Francisco was always a gay mecca because it was the only city in a rural area. But after about 1960 they just poured in.

    It was just unbelievable how the politicans just ignored the mass of normal Whites and Asians and did everything the blacks and gays demanded. Incidentally, it was long term assembly man and Mayor, Willie Brown who introduced the bill to de criminalize homosexuality in California back in 1969.

    When he was up for re election, he had a survey done of every household in his constituency. He discovered that he had the largest percentage of single male households in the city. That meant gays, almost all men, the lesbians were in another section of the city.

    So he sponsored that bill. It won and the gays loved him for ever after. And the black conservative anti gay preachers still loved him.

    It’s hard to believe, but the gay influence is fading in San Francisco. It used to be a lot worse.

    Many normal San Franciscans hope that the rich Chinese will drive the gays out with rising housing prices.

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  • So justice wasn’t served because releasing impoverished, unskilled felons would likely render them homeless.

    I’m not sure if I feel more pity more than contempt for the person or persons at the paper who felt compelled to write this.

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  • I’m no expert on SF — but my daughter worked and lived right in Union Square for 3 years, and I spent a bunch of time there… specifically in SOMA.

    I got a snoutful of “gentrified” San Francisco where the Tenderloin meets the new improved Folsom Street.

    How many Americans know that the Folsom Parade is fully sanctioned by the population of that city… it’s a gay parade…. but more than that… it’s a full on homosexual romp – complete with public sodomy, fellatio… S&M cages…

    ALL WHILE TODDLERS RIDE ON THEIR PARENTS SHOULDERS … sucking on penis popsicles.

    THAT SAID…. after the horror of Folsom … it’s easier to understand the pathologies at work in SF.

    This verdict was predictable… a thumb in the eye of blue eyed, blonde haired America.

    Had the victim been a seal or a bull dyke… the verdict would have been death.

    SF hates US ….. HATES ALL WE ARE…. and the verdict was their way of giving us the finger—

    — as they offer their children penis popsicles… and watch men give and receive each other on the streets of the NEW improved SOMA

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    There is a lot worse things the male homos do that are not done in the Folsom parade.

    When I lived there the public health department had to step into the sadism bondage scene. Public health departments keep track of deaths and injuries. So many homos killed each other in their bondage sadism activities that the public health department had to develop and teach the homos ways to enjoy their bondage thing without killing each other. There are other things I won't say here. Some of it is unbelievable when one first hears about it, such as the use of glass topped tables and I guess it could be called prostate massage.

    The AIDS epidemic was created right there in the San Francisco and NYC bathhouses.

    SOMA used to be just a skid row of drunks, bums and cheap falling down hotels. Now its a million times worse.

    When Dianne Feinstein was on the board of supervisors and later Mayor she used to hold lesbian weddings in her home. They weren't really weddings of course, just ceremonies. Gavin Newsom slatted to be governor of California is gay as well. San Francisco was always a gay mecca because it was the only city in a rural area. But after about 1960 they just poured in.

    It was just unbelievable how the politicans just ignored the mass of normal Whites and Asians and did everything the blacks and gays demanded. Incidentally, it was long term assembly man and Mayor, Willie Brown who introduced the bill to de criminalize homosexuality in California back in 1969.

    When he was up for re election, he had a survey done of every household in his constituency. He discovered that he had the largest percentage of single male households in the city. That meant gays, almost all men, the lesbians were in another section of the city.

    So he sponsored that bill. It won and the gays loved him for ever after. And the black conservative anti gay preachers still loved him.

    It's hard to believe, but the gay influence is fading in San Francisco. It used to be a lot worse.

    Many normal San Franciscans hope that the rich Chinese will drive the gays out with rising housing prices.
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  • Regarding Latinos not as citizens but as internal enemies of America is an idea pushed not just by many racialist websites (e.g., Vdare).but also by Donald Trump. The outlook is particularly characteristic of something called the Alt-Right, a substantial if loosely defined group who are horrified at the thought of racial amalgamation. Hostility intensifies as...
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  • @The Alarmist
    I dunno, Fred ... showing pictures of latina honeys doesn't necessarily help the medicine go down, but it doesn't hurt.

    Calling all honeys! Except black.

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  • @gustafus
    Of course I've been to Castille -- I also live in New Mexico where the Castillian influence is a highly sensitive pecking order among Latinos.

    That girl is mixed of course... and is indicative of the ruling class

    “That girl is mixed of course… and is indicative of the ruling class”

    Uh…. most Mexicans are mixed… aka not the ruling class.

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  • @Corvinus
    "Non-sequitur, and not relevant to anything. Akin to saying something “When the love of power is less than the power of love, there will be peace.”—Means nothing to the actual issue under discussion."

    Using your logic, "Anti-racism is just a code word for anti-White" is also a non-sequitur.

    "Also, not all humanity shares the same DNA."

    Interesting you say that.

    https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/41974/why-are-the-genomes-of-humans-99-5-the-same

    "Each nation has determined that it has the right of the governed to set immigration policy for their individual respective nations."

    Absolutely.

    "If a nation wants to keep its own nation’s population stable for whatever the reason, including **preserving its nation’s individual DNA**..."

    Since when is ** a national policy, one supported by the general population? Are you just making something up here?

    Come on Corvinus.

    Make salient points and defend them logically.

    Pulling out the 99.5% genetic identity card is beneath even you and your often silly posts.

    We share 90% of our genes with mice. So we are basically like mice?

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  • @Anon
    Have you ever been to Castille? The girl in the picture (and she is a little girl, so her features may change somewhat) has some Castilian features, but she is very clearly mixed. In the streets of Burgos she would be noted as a foreigner.

    Of course I’ve been to Castille — I also live in New Mexico where the Castillian influence is a highly sensitive pecking order among Latinos.

    That girl is mixed of course… and is indicative of the ruling class

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    "That girl is mixed of course… and is indicative of the ruling class"

    Uh.... most Mexicans are mixed... aka not the ruling class.
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  • @Corvinus
    "I informed the forum of my experience in Cuba..."

    There is a noticeable difference in saying that according to what you saw, it seems that 11-12 year old girls in Cuba are other than virgins

    -compared t0-

    every single 11-12 year old girl in Cuba, i.e. the entire population, are other than virgins.

    That is exactly why I appropriately called BS and you are going off unhinged.

    "Just how stupid is it to insult someone you don’t even know, covered in your anonymity, as first communication?"

    Holding someone accountable for a wild claim is not an insult.

    My parents loved Cuba – and we have lifelong Cuban friends in LA

    11-12 year old Cuban girls are ripe for all sexual activity. PERIOD.

    that doesn’t mean 100% are deflowered… but it’s certainly not discouraged….

    Like Mexico and all of Latin America…little girls chomp at the bit for sex, drugs and parties.

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  • @Zhabriz
    Even if Fred really believes all he does about hispanics and illegal hispanics, I'm trying to figure out why he doesn't think Mexico qualifies as an "enemy." They may be technically an ally to the US, but that's only on paper for all intents and purposes, like Saudi Arabia. It's not hard to outline why. They're astonishingly corrupt. The drug cartels that ravage and brutalize Mexico have extensive ties with the Mexican government. These cartels have pumped countless billions of drugs into our country and other criminal enterprises. Illegal immigration is likewise tacitly promoted by the Mexican government, and the Mexican government has routinely pushed for amnesty, lower standards of immigration, easier Vdare has extensively documented the attitude of the Mexican government towards illegal immigration and how much they promote and defend it and work to undermine the sanctity of our borders and sovereignty, their massive consulate network, the ways in which they fund and advocate for illegals in our borders, how they funded (along with other latin-american countries) workshops to expedite the citizenship of legal permanent residents to vote against Trump. We've had Jorge Castaneda former Mexican politician (and a major figure in Vicente Fox's cabinet) repeatedly go on national TV and advocate for ways the Mexican government can protest Trump's immigration plans by letting in more drugs in criminals, or openly vowing to sabotage our legal system by jamming the courts with cases for illegal immigrants.

    It's really quite endless. It's all likewise all remarkable in how all of this is viewed in relation to the Russia hysteria. This staggeringly corrupt, crime-ridden narco state right on our southern border that promotes what amounts to settler colonialism of the US is seen as an "ally" and illegal immigration as a wonderful thing. They are a bigger threat to the US than Russia. The only reason they aren't seen as such is because recognizing the threat of Mexico is overwhelmingly intractable with beliefs that strongly align with those of Trump's policies, whereas the Russia hysteria is largely intractable with a modern liberal/neocon worldview- which isn't to deny the Russia hysteria does have obvious traction in how Russia is a militarily powerful, expansionist country, whereas Mexico is not. Likewise the threat of Mexico is more of a "soft", gradual takeover that has been dampened by the decline of illegal immigration since the recession, and of course the delusional idea that Mexico is going to keep getting better.

    But for that, recognizing the threat of Mexico is also intractable with the nature of hispanic immigrants themselves. Polls have shown the majority of Mexicans do not think the US has the right to enforce immigration law, and that the SW rightfully belongs to Mexico. There is a pronounced ethno-nationalist sentiment among many Mexicans, legal and illegal, that manifests most noticeably in things like the explicitly racialist organization La Raza or all of those riots in the SW last year that had Mexicans waving Mexican flags, beating and assaulting Trump supporters, holding up signs with calls to take back the SW and expel white people, arguing white people are illegals on this continent etc.

    Fred Reed doesn't want to talk about that though.

    “There is a pronounced ethno-nationalist sentiment among many Mexicans, legal and illegal, that manifests most noticeably in things like the explicitly racialist organization La Raza or all of those riots in the SW last year that had Mexicans waving Mexican flags, beating and assaulting Trump supporters, holding up signs with calls to take back the SW and expel white people, arguing white people are illegals on this continent etc.”

    Also- illegals would still be a threat even if they were as accomplished and high-functioning as whites, the sentiments and beliefs of legal hispanics would still be a concern (and a reason to drastically reduced even legal immigration from latin america), and I can think of few countries that don’t react this way. They would still be undermining their culture, their institutions and their sovereignty, this was widespread in Europe and east asia after WWII. This is even the case with groups that are more accomplished than the native populations (which isn’t to say that in cases where this has happened, the native population was better off with them, like Zimbabwe or Algeria, or really most of SS africa and many other former colonial nations.)

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  • Even if Fred really believes all he does about hispanics and illegal hispanics, I’m trying to figure out why he doesn’t think Mexico qualifies as an “enemy.” They may be technically an ally to the US, but that’s only on paper for all intents and purposes, like Saudi Arabia. It’s not hard to outline why. They’re astonishingly corrupt. The drug cartels that ravage and brutalize Mexico have extensive ties with the Mexican government. These cartels have pumped countless billions of drugs into our country and other criminal enterprises. Illegal immigration is likewise tacitly promoted by the Mexican government, and the Mexican government has routinely pushed for amnesty, lower standards of immigration, easier Vdare has extensively documented the attitude of the Mexican government towards illegal immigration and how much they promote and defend it and work to undermine the sanctity of our borders and sovereignty, their massive consulate network, the ways in which they fund and advocate for illegals in our borders, how they funded (along with other latin-american countries) workshops to expedite the citizenship of legal permanent residents to vote against Trump. We’ve had Jorge Castaneda former Mexican politician (and a major figure in Vicente Fox’s cabinet) repeatedly go on national TV and advocate for ways the Mexican government can protest Trump’s immigration plans by letting in more drugs in criminals, or openly vowing to sabotage our legal system by jamming the courts with cases for illegal immigrants.

    It’s really quite endless. It’s all likewise all remarkable in how all of this is viewed in relation to the Russia hysteria. This staggeringly corrupt, crime-ridden narco state right on our southern border that promotes what amounts to settler colonialism of the US is seen as an “ally” and illegal immigration as a wonderful thing. They are a bigger threat to the US than Russia. The only reason they aren’t seen as such is because recognizing the threat of Mexico is overwhelmingly intractable with beliefs that strongly align with those of Trump’s policies, whereas the Russia hysteria is largely intractable with a modern liberal/neocon worldview- which isn’t to deny the Russia hysteria does have obvious traction in how Russia is a militarily powerful, expansionist country, whereas Mexico is not. Likewise the threat of Mexico is more of a “soft”, gradual takeover that has been dampened by the decline of illegal immigration since the recession, and of course the delusional idea that Mexico is going to keep getting better.

    But for that, recognizing the threat of Mexico is also intractable with the nature of hispanic immigrants themselves. Polls have shown the majority of Mexicans do not think the US has the right to enforce immigration law, and that the SW rightfully belongs to Mexico. There is a pronounced ethno-nationalist sentiment among many Mexicans, legal and illegal, that manifests most noticeably in things like the explicitly racialist organization La Raza or all of those riots in the SW last year that had Mexicans waving Mexican flags, beating and assaulting Trump supporters, holding up signs with calls to take back the SW and expel white people, arguing white people are illegals on this continent etc.

    Fred Reed doesn’t want to talk about that though.

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    "There is a pronounced ethno-nationalist sentiment among many Mexicans, legal and illegal, that manifests most noticeably in things like the explicitly racialist organization La Raza or all of those riots in the SW last year that had Mexicans waving Mexican flags, beating and assaulting Trump supporters, holding up signs with calls to take back the SW and expel white people, arguing white people are illegals on this continent etc."

    Also- illegals would still be a threat even if they were as accomplished and high-functioning as whites, the sentiments and beliefs of legal hispanics would still be a concern (and a reason to drastically reduced even legal immigration from latin america), and I can think of few countries that don't react this way. They would still be undermining their culture, their institutions and their sovereignty, this was widespread in Europe and east asia after WWII. This is even the case with groups that are more accomplished than the native populations (which isn't to say that in cases where this has happened, the native population was better off with them, like Zimbabwe or Algeria, or really most of SS africa and many other former colonial nations.)
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  • @L.K
    I know all 3 countries;

    Argentina and Uruguay certainly do have white majorities, though if more(%) than the ZUSA, I could not say.
    Whites in these countries are predominantly of Spanish and Italian descent, there is also a large German diaspora in Argentina, etc. There is a significant mestizo minority in Argentina, plus mestizo and Amerindian immigrants from countries like Bolivia, etc.

    Chile, I don't think has a white majority. Its population is mostly a blend of whites and mestizos.
    In total numbers, non Hispanic Brazil has the most whites in Latin America, more heavily concentrated in the Southern parts of the country.

    None of these countries are really "first world", certainly not by US standards.
    Argentina used to be considered a developed country, til the 1940s/50s, but not anymore.

    Considering that a lot of European countries were quite poor until relatively recent times, and some still are not quite developed, none of this is too surprising.
    Take East Asia, for example, only 50 years ago, South Korea was quite poor.

    Neither Argentina or Chile are majority white, the “white” populations in both of those countries have long had a significant amount of amerind ancestry, something like 15-20%. Saying all of the natives died out long ago is also inaccurate.

    But while they aren’t developed countries, they’re pretty close, they’re upper level second world countries or what have you. They’re distinct from the majority of latin american countries in terms of their demographics and economic history.

    I was pretty surprised to learn recently that Argentina has had worse issues with illegal immigration and unchecked mass immigration from other parts of the SA, worse than the US though, and has apparently been central in removing Argentina from first world status.

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  • One alternative way of thinking and acting is to actually embrace European types of Hispanics. How do Spanish people in Spain, Chile, Argentina, El Salvador, Uruguay act in regards to 4 foot tall Ameri Indian Orcs? How do they act regarding Liberation Theology Catholic Bishops or the new CINO (Catholic in Name Only) Pope Francis.

    Watch the Movie “Salvador” where the pro Amer Indian, Libertarian Theology Bishop of San Salvador gets given

    The Red Card.

    The current President of the Philippines aint a handsome, Nordic looking White guy, but he does have practical policies towards hard drug traffickers and addicts – I bet Fred Reed’s Libertarian lunacy doesn’t go for that.

    But, I like how Conservative European oriented people deal with M13 types in El Salvador – I’ll support some Hispanic Sheriff in Orange Country CA who handles things the same way.

    Let’s take a poll of The Unz Review readers:

    Who here supports Chilean patriot General Pinochet and his helicopter rides? I vote “Hell Yeah” and Fred Reed can have some consolidation that General Pinochet also supported (Some) Chicago School of Economics, free markets, but he also was running helicopter rides.

    These are the kind of Hispanic we need:

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  • @gustafus
    that Latina Honey is not of the demographic that migrates... she is Castillian elite.

    the small, wide, brown, ignorant low IQ indian population is who comes here.... where they bloat our school budgets just getting their clutch of kids to speak Spanish OR English... most are illiterate.

    Latinos in New Mexico are even upset that sports programs are being cut because illegals soak up school budgets ,... and they still turn out ignorant, violent, breeding worthless hordes.

    Have you ever been to Castille? The girl in the picture (and she is a little girl, so her features may change somewhat) has some Castilian features, but she is very clearly mixed. In the streets of Burgos she would be noted as a foreigner.

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    Of course I've been to Castille -- I also live in New Mexico where the Castillian influence is a highly sensitive pecking order among Latinos.

    That girl is mixed of course... and is indicative of the ruling class
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  • One hopes Mr. Reed knows more about other things than he does about the Alt Right which he gets horribly wrong. From the blog Vox Populi

    WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 24, 2016

    What the Alt Right is

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    In the interest of developing a core Alt Right philosophy upon which others can build.
    The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.

    The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk’s 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.

    The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.

    The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.

    The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.

    The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.

    The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.

    The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.

    The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.

    The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.

    The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.

    The Alt Right doesn’t care what you think of it.

    The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires.

    The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.

    The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.

    The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species.

    Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.

    The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

    TL;DR: The Alt Right is a Western ideology that believes in science, history, reality, and the right of a genetic nation to exist and govern itself in its own interests.

    The patron saint of conservatives, Russell Kirk, wrote: “The great line of demarcation in modern politics, Eric Voegelin used to point out, is not a division between liberals on one side and totalitarians on the other. No, on one side of that line are all those men and women who fancy that the temporal order is the only order, and that material needs are their only needs, and that they may do as they like with the human patrimony. On the other side of that line are all those people who recognize an enduring moral order in the universe, a constant human nature, and high duties toward the order spiritual and the order temporal.”

    This is no longer true, assuming it ever was. The great line of demarcation in modern politics is now a division between men and women who believe that they are ultimately defined by their momentary opinions and those who believe they are ultimately defined by their genetic heritage. The Alt Right understands that the former will always lose to the latter in the end, because the former is subject to change.

    Mick would far rather live amongst the Alt Right rather than with Mr. Reed and his ideological ilk

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  • @The Alarmist
    I dunno, Fred ... showing pictures of latina honeys doesn't necessarily help the medicine go down, but it doesn't hurt.

    that Latina Honey is not of the demographic that migrates… she is Castillian elite.

    the small, wide, brown, ignorant low IQ indian population is who comes here…. where they bloat our school budgets just getting their clutch of kids to speak Spanish OR English… most are illiterate.

    Latinos in New Mexico are even upset that sports programs are being cut because illegals soak up school budgets ,… and they still turn out ignorant, violent, breeding worthless hordes.

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    Have you ever been to Castille? The girl in the picture (and she is a little girl, so her features may change somewhat) has some Castilian features, but she is very clearly mixed. In the streets of Burgos she would be noted as a foreigner.
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  • Reed most likely lives in an expat community… who knows?

    Item – cruise ships can no longer stop in Acapulco. Club Med in Ixtapa warns tourists against using the Acapulco airport because robberies and kidnappings of vans to Ixtapa are CERTAIN.

    Now add Cancun, Cabo [shootings on the beach this week] – Playa Del Carmen and the entire coast is under threat as I type…. gangs and drug deals gone south make even the resorts a crap shoot.

    600 Million Latinos to the south of us have a mean IQ of 85. That does not bode well for a democracy, or even survival of Western Civilization. There ARE NO EXAMPLES of self governance within Latin America – but for Costa Rica [highly influenced by ex pats from US & Europe] and Chile [the country looks like Denver but speaks Spanish.

    I remember a flight over the Andes with a Chilean official bragging that Chile is ripe for investment because they killed off most of the troublesome indigenous populations… so they won’t have the problems of Bolivia, Peru, Paraguay, Brazil, the Guyanas or Venezuela.

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  • @anonymous

    Actually, despite the nonsense you often hear from anti-immigration sources, Anglos and Latinos/Mexicans get along perfectly well in California, probably better than the Irish and Italians did in New England 50-60 years ago.
     
    I would amend that to say Anglo's and Latino's get along perfectly well, until they don't. Under pressure, racial groups default to their tribes. Especially Mexicans. They can turn shitty quite quickly. The fact that a now significant number of Mexicans are turning to the Muslim religion is very bad news.

    Also, why travel to the east coast to highlight class disdain? If you're old enough to remember, Southern Californians HATED Arkies and Oakies back in the day, for good reason. A few moved into our adjoining neighborhood when I was a kid, and all were horrible without exceptions. Drunks, not married, welfare cases with 5 kids who burglarized homes in their spare time. Arkies were worse, and that's saying something.

    One other point, a lot of these Oakies never assimilated. They just died early of dead livers, got shot in the face, or died in prison. California didn't work out for them. A newer resident would never have known they were here. When they were here, everyone knew it. I wouldn't refer to them as a successful assimilation story. Californians did what they were legally allowed to eradicate them, and we still enjoy our success today.

    And by eradicating them, California lost its tradition of country music, which wound up even influencing non-Okies like Ricky Nelson, John Fogerty, and Jerry Garcia, who adapted the musical styles of their Okie neighbors growing up. The disappearance of the Okie and Arkie from coastal California may have impoverished California rock and roll, and eventually killed it.

    In any case, they were just replaced by Mexicans, who, as it was, they often coexisted with.

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  • @White Noise
    "You got caught making a bold claim, you can’t back it up with actual evidence, and now you are lashing out for your own stupidity."

    Not at all... I wasn't caught in anything. I informed the forum of my experience in Cuba, as it was on topic. People are free to believe it or not. What you say is nonsense, I don't have to prove anything to anybody. Because I don't fucking want to... How's that?

    To put things in the right perspective. You were rude and ill-mannered, I just answered you as you deserved. You talk about stupidity, you'd do fine in looking at the mirror: Just how stupid is it to insult someone you don't even know, covered in your anonymity, as first communication? Very stupid.

    There is no shortage of idiots like you in the internet forums. What's next? You'll start foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog ready to bite? You won't hijack or trollify the thread, as it stops right here. So, keep barking, doggie, as you'll bark alone, as mad dogs have to do.

    How you dare give me orders? I repeat: Go fuck yourself, and your orders, you can stick up your ass.

    I have time to post, but I don't have time or inclination for morons like you. So, go hit your thick head against the wall, if you are so afflicted with the rabies... :D

    “I informed the forum of my experience in Cuba…”

    There is a noticeable difference in saying that according to what you saw, it seems that 11-12 year old girls in Cuba are other than virgins

    -compared t0-

    every single 11-12 year old girl in Cuba, i.e. the entire population, are other than virgins.

    That is exactly why I appropriately called BS and you are going off unhinged.

    “Just how stupid is it to insult someone you don’t even know, covered in your anonymity, as first communication?”

    Holding someone accountable for a wild claim is not an insult.

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    My parents loved Cuba - and we have lifelong Cuban friends in LA

    11-12 year old Cuban girls are ripe for all sexual activity. PERIOD.

    that doesn't mean 100% are deflowered... but it's certainly not discouraged....

    Like Mexico and all of Latin America...little girls chomp at the bit for sex, drugs and parties.
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  • @Corvinus
    "I don’t have to offer evidence of anything."

    Actually you do when one makes a claim and is asked to substantiate it.

    "If you don’t like it, go find the evidence directly by empirical observation, as I did."

    [Laughs] wow, just wow. So you personally witnessed, or heard stories regarding, EVERY young girl in Cuba who by age 12 is other than a virgin? And we, the readers at Unz, are expected to believe you? The train is just fine.

    "An alternative course would be to ask Cuban residents in USA, they of course know that I’m telling the truth."

    All it would take is asking one current or ex-Cuban resident for them to refute your claim. Then, what, you would say they are lying to cover up your ridiculous statement?

    'And if still not happy, then go fuck yourself…"

    You got caught making a bold claim, you can't back it up with actual evidence, and now you are lashing out for your own stupidity.

    “You got caught making a bold claim, you can’t back it up with actual evidence, and now you are lashing out for your own stupidity.”

    Not at all… I wasn’t caught in anything. I informed the forum of my experience in Cuba, as it was on topic. People are free to believe it or not. What you say is nonsense, I don’t have to prove anything to anybody. Because I don’t fucking want to… How’s that?

    To put things in the right perspective. You were rude and ill-mannered, I just answered you as you deserved. You talk about stupidity, you’d do fine in looking at the mirror: Just how stupid is it to insult someone you don’t even know, covered in your anonymity, as first communication? Very stupid.

    There is no shortage of idiots like you in the internet forums. What’s next? You’ll start foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog ready to bite? You won’t hijack or trollify the thread, as it stops right here. So, keep barking, doggie, as you’ll bark alone, as mad dogs have to do.

    How you dare give me orders? I repeat: Go fuck yourself, and your orders, you can stick up your ass.

    I have time to post, but I don’t have time or inclination for morons like you. So, go hit your thick head against the wall, if you are so afflicted with the rabies… :D

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    "I informed the forum of my experience in Cuba..."

    There is a noticeable difference in saying that according to what you saw, it seems that 11-12 year old girls in Cuba are other than virgins

    -compared t0-

    every single 11-12 year old girl in Cuba, i.e. the entire population, are other than virgins.

    That is exactly why I appropriately called BS and you are going off unhinged.

    "Just how stupid is it to insult someone you don’t even know, covered in your anonymity, as first communication?"

    Holding someone accountable for a wild claim is not an insult.
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  • @Corvinus
    "I don’t have to offer evidence of anything."

    Actually you do when one makes a claim and is asked to substantiate it.

    "If you don’t like it, go find the evidence directly by empirical observation, as I did."

    [Laughs] wow, just wow. So you personally witnessed, or heard stories regarding, EVERY young girl in Cuba who by age 12 is other than a virgin? And we, the readers at Unz, are expected to believe you? The train is just fine.

    "An alternative course would be to ask Cuban residents in USA, they of course know that I’m telling the truth."

    All it would take is asking one current or ex-Cuban resident for them to refute your claim. Then, what, you would say they are lying to cover up your ridiculous statement?

    'And if still not happy, then go fuck yourself…"

    You got caught making a bold claim, you can't back it up with actual evidence, and now you are lashing out for your own stupidity.

    If I recall correctly, all those girls are deflowered by trained orangutans. No, no – don’t thank me for sharing my expertise on all things Cuban. Now I may not be Cuban, but I am awesome so my claim stands – after all…

    Peace.

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  • @white noise
    I don't have to offer evidence of anything. If you don't like it, go find the evidence directly by empirical observation, as I did. An alternative course would be to ask Cuban residents in USA, they of course know that I'm telling the truth. And if still not happy, then go fuck yourself...

    I'm going to have to retract my statement? Are you giving me orders? Now, that's moronic :D

    “I don’t have to offer evidence of anything.”

    Actually you do when one makes a claim and is asked to substantiate it.

    “If you don’t like it, go find the evidence directly by empirical observation, as I did.”

    [Laughs] wow, just wow. So you personally witnessed, or heard stories regarding, EVERY young girl in Cuba who by age 12 is other than a virgin? And we, the readers at Unz, are expected to believe you? The train is just fine.

    “An alternative course would be to ask Cuban residents in USA, they of course know that I’m telling the truth.”

    All it would take is asking one current or ex-Cuban resident for them to refute your claim. Then, what, you would say they are lying to cover up your ridiculous statement?

    ‘And if still not happy, then go fuck yourself…”

    You got caught making a bold claim, you can’t back it up with actual evidence, and now you are lashing out for your own stupidity.

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    If I recall correctly, all those girls are deflowered by trained orangutans. No, no - don't thank me for sharing my expertise on all things Cuban. Now I may not be Cuban, but I am awesome so my claim stands - after all...

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xafO3c2lKUc

    Peace.
    , @White Noise
    "You got caught making a bold claim, you can’t back it up with actual evidence, and now you are lashing out for your own stupidity."

    Not at all... I wasn't caught in anything. I informed the forum of my experience in Cuba, as it was on topic. People are free to believe it or not. What you say is nonsense, I don't have to prove anything to anybody. Because I don't fucking want to... How's that?

    To put things in the right perspective. You were rude and ill-mannered, I just answered you as you deserved. You talk about stupidity, you'd do fine in looking at the mirror: Just how stupid is it to insult someone you don't even know, covered in your anonymity, as first communication? Very stupid.

    There is no shortage of idiots like you in the internet forums. What's next? You'll start foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog ready to bite? You won't hijack or trollify the thread, as it stops right here. So, keep barking, doggie, as you'll bark alone, as mad dogs have to do.

    How you dare give me orders? I repeat: Go fuck yourself, and your orders, you can stick up your ass.

    I have time to post, but I don't have time or inclination for morons like you. So, go hit your thick head against the wall, if you are so afflicted with the rabies... :D

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  • @Corvinus
    "In Cuba, ALL the girls have had sex by when they’re 11 – 12 years old. A 13 year old who’s still a virgin is looked at with suspicion (she’s weird!, by local standards)."

    I call BS. You're going to have to offer hard core evidence here or retract your statement.

    I don’t have to offer evidence of anything. If you don’t like it, go find the evidence directly by empirical observation, as I did. An alternative course would be to ask Cuban residents in USA, they of course know that I’m telling the truth. And if still not happy, then go fuck yourself…

    I’m going to have to retract my statement? Are you giving me orders? Now, that’s moronic :D

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    "I don’t have to offer evidence of anything."

    Actually you do when one makes a claim and is asked to substantiate it.

    "If you don’t like it, go find the evidence directly by empirical observation, as I did."

    [Laughs] wow, just wow. So you personally witnessed, or heard stories regarding, EVERY young girl in Cuba who by age 12 is other than a virgin? And we, the readers at Unz, are expected to believe you? The train is just fine.

    "An alternative course would be to ask Cuban residents in USA, they of course know that I’m telling the truth."

    All it would take is asking one current or ex-Cuban resident for them to refute your claim. Then, what, you would say they are lying to cover up your ridiculous statement?

    'And if still not happy, then go fuck yourself…"

    You got caught making a bold claim, you can't back it up with actual evidence, and now you are lashing out for your own stupidity.
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  • Fred,

    At age 60, I took up roller skating. I watch lots of videos trying to learn how to do it. I see lots of people getting along and being pretty social and civil.

    Somehow the reality of the hard floor (and anyone doing skating long enough will have bounced their head on it) breeds a respect between people and the skill it takes to stay upright.

    I like these people I see skating. In a cosmic sense, skating really is kind of a stupid waste of time. And yet, there is a great beauty in it.

    So maybe one little way out of the mess is just to have some big rooms with wood floors and let people have fun and get along. Cheap solution compared to some other the other ways our world wastes money.

    Here are some of my favorite videos so you can kind of see what I am getting at:

    Some pretty cool stuff! Best wishes.

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  • @White Noise
    In Cuba, ALL the girls have had sex by when they're 11 - 12 years old. A 13 year old who's still a virgin is looked at with suspicion (she's weird!, by local standards)... I don't know if this is legal there, as in by the law, but in practice, well, in Cuba it's common for men in their forties to have sex with 12 year old girls. And nobody raises an eyebrow.

    Just another cultural thing.

    “In Cuba, ALL the girls have had sex by when they’re 11 – 12 years old. A 13 year old who’s still a virgin is looked at with suspicion (she’s weird!, by local standards).”

    I call BS. You’re going to have to offer hard core evidence here or retract your statement.

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    I don't have to offer evidence of anything. If you don't like it, go find the evidence directly by empirical observation, as I did. An alternative course would be to ask Cuban residents in USA, they of course know that I'm telling the truth. And if still not happy, then go fuck yourself...

    I'm going to have to retract my statement? Are you giving me orders? Now, that's moronic :D

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  • I was with you until “Regarding Latinos not as citizens but as internal enemies of America is an idea pushed not just by many racialist websites (e.g., Vdare) but also by Donald Trump.”

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  • @Logan
    "it is not legal to screw little girls of twelve years"

    Fred, in general I agree with you. But you might want to check your facts in some areas. In this regard the situation is legally complex, but it is a fact that the federal age of consent in Mexico is 12. And also in some states, though prosecution can occur for other factors. This is, of course, counterbalanced by the well-known corruption of the country, and it doesn't seem particularly likely that an influential Mexican would be prosecuted if he had a thing for 12 year old girls. Unless the 12 year old in question was the child of similarly influential people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Mexico

    In Cuba, ALL the girls have had sex by when they’re 11 – 12 years old. A 13 year old who’s still a virgin is looked at with suspicion (she’s weird!, by local standards)… I don’t know if this is legal there, as in by the law, but in practice, well, in Cuba it’s common for men in their forties to have sex with 12 year old girls. And nobody raises an eyebrow.

    Just another cultural thing.

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    "In Cuba, ALL the girls have had sex by when they’re 11 – 12 years old. A 13 year old who’s still a virgin is looked at with suspicion (she’s weird!, by local standards)."

    I call BS. You're going to have to offer hard core evidence here or retract your statement.
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  • @Bill

    Are whites with the same socioeconomic status much thinner or more attractive?
     
    You're trying to claim that the socioeconomic status causes the ugliness?

    Absolutely… Poor people get depressed because they live a generally unpleasant life. A common consequence of recurrent depression is taking little or no care of their bodies. Add the trash fast food they eat all the time. They get fat and sick, and they age quickly. And this happens to millions of Americans too, but it is a lot more apparent in the women. Don’t you see a lot of fat white women around? Because I do.

    My point is that there is no point in singling out the Latinas as fatsos, when the locals are no better… It’s a cultural problem, not a racial one. Courtesy of the elites, women don’t know how to cook anymore, and so everybody relies on fast food as diet. The results are not pleasant to see, regardless of the skin colour.

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  • @AP

    One thing, Fred, and I know this cannot encompass all Latinas, but I see very, very few attractive Mexican women up here. Maybe it’s be cause of the region most of the come from is less mixed than others, but most are short, round, and a bit rugged looking.
     
    This is a common observation.

    Mexicans immigrants are mostly poor and uneducated, working class types. Are whites with the same socioeconomic status much thinner or more attractive? I suspect that if one controls for income, there won't be much of a difference. I doubt the people described are rounder or more rugged-looking than their white neighbors of similar education level.

    “Mexicans immigrants are mostly poor and uneducated, working class types. Are whites with the same socioeconomic status much thinner or more attractive? I suspect that if one controls for income, there won’t be much of a difference. I doubt the people described are rounder or more rugged-looking than their white neighbors of similar education level.”

    Exactly…

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  • @silviosilver
    Ron, your reply assumes I think hispanics are horrible. As a matter of fact, I don't think that at all. It pleases me that anti-immigration extremists are often wrong or exaggerating about hispanics. Racially - which is what everyone here wants to know : ) - I have much less to worry about than the average European: judging by how often I was spoken to in Spanish when I lived in the southwest, about half of Latinos think I'm one of them.

    But see, I'm into European identity, and Latinos can't really give me that. (I don't care if people call me a greasy dago or whatever. I've even come to miss it.) As nice and as friendly as they can be, it's just not the same as interacting with someone closer to home, racially and culturally speaking. That's the real harm done by immigration insanity, in my view. Of course, someone can always say to me (and they do) how can I take such a stance when my own ancestors were immigrants, but the answer is simple: mass immigration was a dumb idea then, and it's an even dumber now - surely we want to learn from our mistakes rather than double down on them, right?

    You're entitled to your views, and it wouldn't be fair for me to call you a liar, but I must say, I'm flatly astonished that you'd be indifferent to whether your city or your neighborhood is populated by Europeans or by hispanics.

    Mexicans are culturally more like Italians (actual ones, not English-speaking-only Italian Americans whose ancestors came over generations ago) than are WASPs.

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  • @Forbes
    Assimilation as an assumption for American cultural identity was replaced by multiculturalism two generations ago.

    The cult of multiculturalism assumes racial/ethnic-identity--which includes the championing of diversity. Yet, the reigning mantra of the progressive left of "diversity and inclusion" are two opposing creeds. It is a slow motion head-on collision in progress--and Fred says whites must yield the way, 'cuz "whadya gonna do?"

    "Mexican girls are alarmingly attractive." Huh? Please. Alarmingly obese, as observed in NYC.

    Hate to mention the obvious… but if you’re gonna talk about obese women, Americans are probably the current world champions, as it is.

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  • @RadicalCenter
    Talha, do you hope that the swedes return to Christianity and the more-traditional life that comes with it?

    Hey RC,

    Not just the Swedes, but Europeans in general; I believe the issues the West is suffering from is a metaphysical/spiritual one – not simply of institutions and policies.

    Peace.

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  • @Talha
    Hey Truth,

    When I visited Sweden it was pretty clear that the people I talked to thought of religion in general (beyond just Christianity) as a quaint part of their history. The flag still has a cross on it, they preserve their churches as historical landmarks, etc. As far as they were concerned, it was something you simply didn't have time for. Nobody I met was outright antagonistic against religion (which is a good thing), but they simply didn't care. Apparently one of my wife's ancestors died in Egypt during the Crusades assaulting a castle or something - we all had a laugh about it.

    Even though I don't see traditional life coming back to Sweden - I hold out hope that it does.

    Peace.

    Talha, do you hope that the swedes return to Christianity and the more-traditional life that comes with it?

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    Hey RC,

    Not just the Swedes, but Europeans in general; I believe the issues the West is suffering from is a metaphysical/spiritual one - not simply of institutions and policies.

    Peace.
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  • This is dishonest. It’s been pretty clear from the outset that Trump sets the blame and the rancor on the Mexican government (which is an out and out piece of shit and always has been.) It is undoubtedly true that the Mexican government uses northward migration as a cost-free safety valve for the disgruntled poor and foreign cash cow. This was Trumps point when he spoke about the abundance of criminals in the people that Mexico vomits north. Of course middle class Mexicans are nice people: those are the ones who had no reason to leave. America’s middle class is also much more pleasant than its shiftless underclass. Fancy that!

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  • @syonredux

    “Anglo” Americans are NOT the majority of the USA’s population and have not been for quite some time, if “Anglo” means a person who is a substantial part English/Scottish/Welsh or Irish genetically.
     
    Culturally Anglo, as in Anglo-America vs Latin America. A very fundamental division, that.

    Agreed wholeheartedly. I’d just say European rather than Anglo.

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  • @Talha
    Hey Truth,

    is in the bars
     
    LOL - I guess a little bit of liquor can resolve those differences.

    Makes me wonder why the “nation” broke up, but religious difference is very difficult to overcome.
     
    Yeah - and not only did it split up along Christian-Muslim lines, but the two Christian factions committed war crimes against each other. Which is one of the reasons why I have my doubts that getting rid of the darkies in the West is going to solve anything other than getting rid of the darkies.

    I had a guy working under me for a few years. He was a Croat who had fought in the war - weird thing is, since he lived in a Bosnian area, he was an officer in the Bosnian side of things. Then he went AWOL with his family to escape the country. The Croats wanted him as a traitor, the Muslims wanted him for desertion and the Serbs, well, the Serbs just wanted to kill him. Not a fun position to be in.

    Peace.

    along with war, religion is the folly of men on display.

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  • @Santoculto
    http://beauty-around.com/images/sampledata/Top_Mexico/12.aracely-arambula-es-gardenia-en-perfume-de-gardenias-2.jpg

    ;)

    What all the racist Mirreyes in Mexico drool over.

    Looks more German than Diane Kruger.

    She was once dated the obnoxious Spanish/Italian drunk Luis Miguel and has a couple of his kids.

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  • @Truth
    I was in Bosnia in April of 2016. The Muslims, the Orthodox and the Catholics don't have much to do with each other, even though they are civil, I was told that mixed marriages between Muslim and Christian are quite taboo, and between, even an Orthodox Bosnian, and a Catholic Croatian would be frowned upon.

    I was only there for 5 days, but the place you see the most Muslim, Christian interaction... is in the bars.

    And by the way, I have nothing against Bosnians, it is a beautiful, special place, as are all of the ex-Yugo republics I have visited. Makes me wonder why the "nation" broke up, but religious difference is very difficult to overcome.

    Hey Truth,

    is in the bars

    LOL – I guess a little bit of liquor can resolve those differences.

    Makes me wonder why the “nation” broke up, but religious difference is very difficult to overcome.

    Yeah – and not only did it split up along Christian-Muslim lines, but the two Christian factions committed war crimes against each other. Which is one of the reasons why I have my doubts that getting rid of the darkies in the West is going to solve anything other than getting rid of the darkies.

    I had a guy working under me for a few years. He was a Croat who had fought in the war – weird thing is, since he lived in a Bosnian area, he was an officer in the Bosnian side of things. Then he went AWOL with his family to escape the country. The Croats wanted him as a traitor, the Muslims wanted him for desertion and the Serbs, well, the Serbs just wanted to kill him. Not a fun position to be in.

    Peace.

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    along with war, religion is the folly of men on display.
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  • @Talha
    Hey Truth,

    How do these people drink so damn much?!
     
    Yeah - they seemed to drink with every meal and snack - I think it has to do with the kind of alcohol they consume - it was always some kind of wine. I don't know how heavy it was since I don't drink.

    80 year-old ladies.
     
    Yeah - big problem.

    the so-called Muslims in Bosnia
     
    How long ago were you there? I was in that area about 10 years ago and what you describe sounds right, but I have been reading about a revival:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/rise-of-bosnian-mayor-with-a-head-scarf-challenging-assumptions-about-islam/2013/03/09/1d85bab8-7c4d-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_story.html?utm_term=.9a03f574b783

    This is a really good book on the subject (this is a review and summation):
    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofbooks/2016/04/12/book-review-the-revival-of-islam-in-the-balkans-from-identity-to-religiosity-edited-by-arolda-elbasani-and-olivier-roy/

    Peace.

    I was in Bosnia in April of 2016. The Muslims, the Orthodox and the Catholics don’t have much to do with each other, even though they are civil, I was told that mixed marriages between Muslim and Christian are quite taboo, and between, even an Orthodox Bosnian, and a Catholic Croatian would be frowned upon.

    I was only there for 5 days, but the place you see the most Muslim, Christian interaction… is in the bars.

    And by the way, I have nothing against Bosnians, it is a beautiful, special place, as are all of the ex-Yugo republics I have visited. Makes me wonder why the “nation” broke up, but religious difference is very difficult to overcome.

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    Hey Truth,

    is in the bars
     
    LOL - I guess a little bit of liquor can resolve those differences.

    Makes me wonder why the “nation” broke up, but religious difference is very difficult to overcome.
     
    Yeah - and not only did it split up along Christian-Muslim lines, but the two Christian factions committed war crimes against each other. Which is one of the reasons why I have my doubts that getting rid of the darkies in the West is going to solve anything other than getting rid of the darkies.

    I had a guy working under me for a few years. He was a Croat who had fought in the war - weird thing is, since he lived in a Bosnian area, he was an officer in the Bosnian side of things. Then he went AWOL with his family to escape the country. The Croats wanted him as a traitor, the Muslims wanted him for desertion and the Serbs, well, the Serbs just wanted to kill him. Not a fun position to be in.

    Peace.

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  • ;)

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    What all the racist Mirreyes in Mexico drool over.

    Looks more German than Diane Kruger.

    She was once dated the obnoxious Spanish/Italian drunk Luis Miguel and has a couple of his kids.
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  • @Avery
    {How do these people drink so damn much?! }

    Well, according to Wiki, Swedes are not even in top 10: waaay down #50.
    So it might be just appearance, nothing more.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

    btw, when Sweden is finally and fully Islamized, public alcohol consumption will be banned. So Swedes have to find another way to cope with long dark cold winters.

    Who needs alcohol to keep warm at night?

    Seems to work better than vodka:
    “Incredibly, the rate of suicides per 100,000 people is 90 times higher in the Altai Republic, the region with the highest level of suicide mortality (54.1), than in Chechnya, where the rate is just 0.6.”

    https://www.rbth.com/politics_and_society/2016/02/16/suicides-rates-fall-in-russia_568323

    Peace.

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  • @Truth
    My experience jibed totally!

    The two impressions I had of Swedes having only been there for a short time were;

    1. Everyone has a basically Godless existence, and churches are mere tourist attractions.

    2. How do these people drink so damn much?! Rednecks in Texas and Kentucky couldn't touch em' for that.

    All of Europe is pretty much agnostic at this point. You go to Greece, the only people in these beautiful 300 year old churches are 4'11, 80 year-old ladies.

    Ditto with the Orthodox in Serbia, and the so-called Muslims in Bosnia. Nice people, but their "fealty" to the Koran makes gulf Arabs look like 17th century Turks.

    {How do these people drink so damn much?! }

    Well, according to Wiki, Swedes are not even in top 10: waaay down #50.
    So it might be just appearance, nothing more.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

    btw, when Sweden is finally and fully Islamized, public alcohol consumption will be banned. So Swedes have to find another way to cope with long dark cold winters.

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    Who needs alcohol to keep warm at night?
    https://youtu.be/I5rndU0l7Wc?t=1m55s

    Seems to work better than vodka:
    "Incredibly, the rate of suicides per 100,000 people is 90 times higher in the Altai Republic, the region with the highest level of suicide mortality (54.1), than in Chechnya, where the rate is just 0.6."
    https://www.rbth.com/politics_and_society/2016/02/16/suicides-rates-fall-in-russia_568323

    Peace.

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  • 2. How do these people drink so damn much?! Rednecks in Texas and Kentucky couldn’t touch em’ for that.

    Long dark cold winters forcing you indoors with nothing to do – same as for Mother Russia.

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  • @Truth
    My experience jibed totally!

    The two impressions I had of Swedes having only been there for a short time were;

    1. Everyone has a basically Godless existence, and churches are mere tourist attractions.

    2. How do these people drink so damn much?! Rednecks in Texas and Kentucky couldn't touch em' for that.

    All of Europe is pretty much agnostic at this point. You go to Greece, the only people in these beautiful 300 year old churches are 4'11, 80 year-old ladies.

    Ditto with the Orthodox in Serbia, and the so-called Muslims in Bosnia. Nice people, but their "fealty" to the Koran makes gulf Arabs look like 17th century Turks.

    Hey Truth,

    How do these people drink so damn much?!

    Yeah – they seemed to drink with every meal and snack – I think it has to do with the kind of alcohol they consume – it was always some kind of wine. I don’t know how heavy it was since I don’t drink.

    80 year-old ladies.

    Yeah – big problem.

    the so-called Muslims in Bosnia

    How long ago were you there? I was in that area about 10 years ago and what you describe sounds right, but I have been reading about a revival:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/rise-of-bosnian-mayor-with-a-head-scarf-challenging-assumptions-about-islam/2013/03/09/1d85bab8-7c4d-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_story.html?utm_term=.9a03f574b783

    This is a really good book on the subject (this is a review and summation):

    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofbooks/2016/04/12/book-review-the-revival-of-islam-in-the-balkans-from-identity-to-religiosity-edited-by-arolda-elbasani-and-olivier-roy/

    Peace.

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    I was in Bosnia in April of 2016. The Muslims, the Orthodox and the Catholics don't have much to do with each other, even though they are civil, I was told that mixed marriages between Muslim and Christian are quite taboo, and between, even an Orthodox Bosnian, and a Catholic Croatian would be frowned upon.

    I was only there for 5 days, but the place you see the most Muslim, Christian interaction... is in the bars.

    And by the way, I have nothing against Bosnians, it is a beautiful, special place, as are all of the ex-Yugo republics I have visited. Makes me wonder why the "nation" broke up, but religious difference is very difficult to overcome.

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  • @Talha
    Hey Truth,

    When I visited Sweden it was pretty clear that the people I talked to thought of religion in general (beyond just Christianity) as a quaint part of their history. The flag still has a cross on it, they preserve their churches as historical landmarks, etc. As far as they were concerned, it was something you simply didn't have time for. Nobody I met was outright antagonistic against religion (which is a good thing), but they simply didn't care. Apparently one of my wife's ancestors died in Egypt during the Crusades assaulting a castle or something - we all had a laugh about it.

    Even though I don't see traditional life coming back to Sweden - I hold out hope that it does.

    Peace.

    My experience jibed totally!

    The two impressions I had of Swedes having only been there for a short time were;

    1. Everyone has a basically Godless existence, and churches are mere tourist attractions.

    2. How do these people drink so damn much?! Rednecks in Texas and Kentucky couldn’t touch em’ for that.

    All of Europe is pretty much agnostic at this point. You go to Greece, the only people in these beautiful 300 year old churches are 4’11, 80 year-old ladies.

    Ditto with the Orthodox in Serbia, and the so-called Muslims in Bosnia. Nice people, but their “fealty” to the Koran makes gulf Arabs look like 17th century Turks.

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    Hey Truth,

    How do these people drink so damn much?!
     
    Yeah - they seemed to drink with every meal and snack - I think it has to do with the kind of alcohol they consume - it was always some kind of wine. I don't know how heavy it was since I don't drink.

    80 year-old ladies.
     
    Yeah - big problem.

    the so-called Muslims in Bosnia
     
    How long ago were you there? I was in that area about 10 years ago and what you describe sounds right, but I have been reading about a revival:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/rise-of-bosnian-mayor-with-a-head-scarf-challenging-assumptions-about-islam/2013/03/09/1d85bab8-7c4d-11e2-9a75-dab0201670da_story.html?utm_term=.9a03f574b783

    This is a really good book on the subject (this is a review and summation):
    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsereviewofbooks/2016/04/12/book-review-the-revival-of-islam-in-the-balkans-from-identity-to-religiosity-edited-by-arolda-elbasani-and-olivier-roy/

    Peace.
    , @Avery
    {How do these people drink so damn much?! }

    Well, according to Wiki, Swedes are not even in top 10: waaay down #50.
    So it might be just appearance, nothing more.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita

    btw, when Sweden is finally and fully Islamized, public alcohol consumption will be banned. So Swedes have to find another way to cope with long dark cold winters.

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  • @Greasy William
    The sad thing is, that pic doesn't even do Marion justice.

    She’s got brown eyes, though. She’s one of them.

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  • For all stupid people in the world a message to their hearts:

    “The differences between relig and ideolog is very little”.

    Would be wonderful if majority of people are antagonistic against relig/culturalized madness or (every current) ideolog/culturalizable-zed madness.

    ¡Peace!

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  • @Truth

    But it is rather easily correctible.
     
    Great, then get off the site and start correcting it.

    Hey Truth,

    When I visited Sweden it was pretty clear that the people I talked to thought of religion in general (beyond just Christianity) as a quaint part of their history. The flag still has a cross on it, they preserve their churches as historical landmarks, etc. As far as they were concerned, it was something you simply didn’t have time for. Nobody I met was outright antagonistic against religion (which is a good thing), but they simply didn’t care. Apparently one of my wife’s ancestors died in Egypt during the Crusades assaulting a castle or something – we all had a laugh about it.

    Even though I don’t see traditional life coming back to Sweden – I hold out hope that it does.

    Peace.

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    My experience jibed totally!

    The two impressions I had of Swedes having only been there for a short time were;

    1. Everyone has a basically Godless existence, and churches are mere tourist attractions.

    2. How do these people drink so damn much?! Rednecks in Texas and Kentucky couldn't touch em' for that.

    All of Europe is pretty much agnostic at this point. You go to Greece, the only people in these beautiful 300 year old churches are 4'11, 80 year-old ladies.

    Ditto with the Orthodox in Serbia, and the so-called Muslims in Bosnia. Nice people, but their "fealty" to the Koran makes gulf Arabs look like 17th century Turks.

    , @RadicalCenter
    Talha, do you hope that the swedes return to Christianity and the more-traditional life that comes with it?
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  • @MarkinLA
    I never saw any obviously Amerindian people at any time I was in Argentina and Chile (admittedly only about 6 weeks) but did go from Valparaiso in the north to Ushuaia in the south. The people were that were brown looked Spanish. Since it was a tour we only went to places the well off were so that may be it.

    In Bolivia you definitely saw Amerindians but by the time we got to Salta (another motorcycle tour) it looked almost like Spain.

    They had running water, electricity that stayed on all day, sewage systems, and decent roads. It seemed like first world to me. The only problem was the sewage system did not handle toilet paper - gotta fix that).

    You’re correct in concluding that there are few wholly Amerind communities in the three countires you mentioned, though they exist. You’re doubly correct with respect to your remark that “Since it was a tour we only went to places the well off were so that may be it.” Salta, for example, is imho the prettiest city in Argentina, the best preserved.

    I found very interesting your observation that “[t]he people were that were brown looked Spanish”. There’s no small amount of truth in that. My two grandsons have 1/16th Guaraní blood, but the elder looks like he belongs on a Hitler Youth poster and the younger isn’t far behind.

    Having lived in Spain for much of my adult life and having had a Spanish wife who was utterly contemptuous of life in the Southern Cone, I’m disinclined to equate Salta with Spain, but even so, we’re agreed that these countries maintain more of an “old country” (Spain) tone than places like Bolivia, Perú (one of my favorite places, nonetheless), Paraguay and such. I sincerely believed (and still do) that the Southern Cone countries are the final frontier for Westerners willing to learn Spanish and put up with no small number of inconveniences (mostly but not entirely gov-generated), but have open to them many opportunities to live well, thrive, prosper and enrich themselves and their new society in many ways. I for one would like to live long enough (I’m 71) to see it!

    I’ll leave you with this, which while written and sung by lefties, makes a poignant point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksWES8VSDaU&ytbChannel=Chenchu%20L%C3%B3pez

    Here’re the lyrics if you don’t speak Spanish: http://lyricstranslate.com/es/el-sur-tambi%C3%A9n-existe-south-exists-too.html

    Thanks for your reply and your interest in our region!

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  • More proof that Fred Reed is full of shit.

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  • @Jake
    People in Sweden do not marry legally, but they also tend to have rather long co-habitation periods - serial monogamy is common.

    Swedish women are not known for having 6 chirrens by 4 daddys. Swedish men are not prone to producing 5 children by 3 women.

    The Swedish pattern has been for a couple to live together for 15 or more years and produce and together raise 1 or 2 children.

    From the vantage of Christendom, that is a terrible thing that will produce much evil down the road. But it is rather easily correctible.

    The black response to the white Liberal's sexual revolution has produced hellish horror that cannot be salvaged without brutal force.

    But it is rather easily correctible.

    Great, then get off the site and start correcting it.

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    Hey Truth,

    When I visited Sweden it was pretty clear that the people I talked to thought of religion in general (beyond just Christianity) as a quaint part of their history. The flag still has a cross on it, they preserve their churches as historical landmarks, etc. As far as they were concerned, it was something you simply didn't have time for. Nobody I met was outright antagonistic against religion (which is a good thing), but they simply didn't care. Apparently one of my wife's ancestors died in Egypt during the Crusades assaulting a castle or something - we all had a laugh about it.

    Even though I don't see traditional life coming back to Sweden - I hold out hope that it does.

    Peace.
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  • Rurik says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    The sad thing is, that pic doesn't even do Marion justice.

    pic doesn’t even do Marion justice.

    yea, I know. But I wanted to get the National Front in there

    I wish someone would have bothered to elaborate on the question. I think it’s a fair and very salient question to ask, since the expression ‘white nationalist’ is so in vogue right now. Why not have a definition of exactly what is meant by it?

    As it is, it’s just a vague pejorative, and used to blanket smear those with whom others don’t agree.

    like ‘irredeemable deplorables’

    it simply means that you have moral superiority to ‘white nationalists’ because you’re not as xenophobic (racist) as they are, and so it sort of makes the people using the expression sound like SJW, virtue signaling their supposed superiority.

    are Germans who don’t like the Muslim invasion/permanent transformation of Germany: “white nationalists”?

    I would posit that that’s a fair question, and if they are, how are they any different than Americans (of all races) who want to have a border and send back anyone who came here illegally? – From wherever they came from, even if it was from a nation that harbors white, relatively well-to-do American expatriates who want to stay in the good graces of the Mexican people, the Mexican authorities, the Mexican underworld, and perhaps most of all, his daughters- who likely hate with all their hearts and souls those evil white racist people in America that voted for Donald Trump (Hitler) and who hate all Mexicans and all brown people and who are no doubt irredeemably deplorable, (to say the least! ; ). If your daughters felt that way about Trump apologists, (as no doubt most young girls (white, Mexican or otherwise raised or living in Mexico) certainly feel, and you wanted to have the love and respect of your daughters (who wouldn’t) then that would certainly be an understandable reason to wax unfavorable about anyone who supports Trump and his ‘Wall of Hate’.

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  • @Truth

    For example, the Sexual Revolution in Sweden did not produce hordes of illegitimate children
     
    Why, yes, it did. Very few people in Sweden get married.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-end-of-marriage-in-scandinavia/article/4891

    People in Sweden do not marry legally, but they also tend to have rather long co-habitation periods – serial monogamy is common.

    Swedish women are not known for having 6 chirrens by 4 daddys. Swedish men are not prone to producing 5 children by 3 women.

    The Swedish pattern has been for a couple to live together for 15 or more years and produce and together raise 1 or 2 children.

    From the vantage of Christendom, that is a terrible thing that will produce much evil down the road. But it is rather easily correctible.

    The black response to the white Liberal’s sexual revolution has produced hellish horror that cannot be salvaged without brutal force.

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    But it is rather easily correctible.
     
    Great, then get off the site and start correcting it.
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  • @Corvinus
    "Now, I’m beginning to wonder if you’re more like the clueless, but good-hearted pastor who is useful to community when times are calm (and protected by the actions of others and earlier generations) but laughably impotent when danger arrives."

    This "clueless, good-hearted pastor" has God as His reservoir of strength. The pastor is assuredly useful in smooth and rough times.

    "Your last paragraph explains your “No.” Think about it."

    Regarding that topic, how would you define “good whites” and “bad whites”? What are the metrics involved? Furthermore, is it required for all whites to be on the same page racially? If yes, why? How does it reconcile with conservatives who tout freedom of association?

    Furthermore, is it required for all whites to be on the same page racially? If yes, why? How does it reconcile with conservatives who tout freedom of association?

    Seems to me the need to justify every aspect of human behavior is kind of a “hobgoblin of little minds.”

    It is enough that there is something that you want to do. The only question is what stops it?

    As for conservatives who “tout freedom of association?” Well they can form their own nation. No one will stop them from leaving, but god only knows where they do this or what constituency they can sell on it.

    As an idle thought, if “freedom of association” doesn’t have any obvious short to mid term benefits (and there is real doubt it has any long term benefits), how easy a sell is it anyway?

    You might be referring to the freedom of association concept involved with things like restrictive covenants. If so I really am not sure what you are trying to say here.

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  • @Intelligent Dasein
    Your riddle is sublimely simple, Mr Unz.

    The Mexicans do all the landscaping, nannying, cooking, and other mundane tasks which frees up all the Silicon Valley douchebags to spend their entire day dreaming up the next big thing in social media spyware and crony capitalist graft.

    Screw them both. Screw the Mexicans and screw Silicon Valley. We don't need either the low class or the high class parasites, thank you very much.

    Doesn’t really matter, but I was looking through this thread for a particular kind of post.

    Namely a suggestion that California either be encouraged to leave the Union, or get kicked out. Whatever.

    I have nothing against Unz, but let him live in whatever California becomes, along with the other residents of his state that firmly believe in it’s principles, but strangely seem to decamp to other states. Whatever, who cares. That shouldn’t be an option anymore.

    And in my new United States (actually I’d carve off New England, and whoever else wanted to leave as well) we would negotiate an internet monopoly with Ali Baba and whatever other Chinese competitors there are.

    Basically, google, facebook, ebay all banned from the new United States. Sure, we are giving all that data to the Chinese now.

    But face it. Which is more toxic and venomous? A ruthless bunch of Chinese businessmen? Or Jeff Bezos?

    And buddy there would be a wall along the California border (though they aren’t going to like where I draw the borders, and believe me they are going to change, basically the mountains are going to be the border, and Portland is going to be a city state).

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  • @Truth

    For example, the Sexual Revolution in Sweden did not produce hordes of illegitimate children
     
    Why, yes, it did. Very few people in Sweden get married.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-end-of-marriage-in-scandinavia/article/4891

    Hey Truth,

    This sounds correct. Within my wife’s cousins in Sweden – they have 4 or 5 kids between all of them. None of them are married – they don’t bother any more.

    Peace.

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  • For this post, ;)

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  • @Corvinus
    "When i understand your comment i answer you."

    Dude, you were the one who wrote "By artificial methods and reasons". I believe it was an add on to the comment "Whiteness has gone from a desirable trait to an undesirable one in a remarkably short time" made by AndrewR, but you neglected to specify.

    Even I do this you don’t care isn’t? So..

    In all non western places people easily recognize some “white phenotypes” as beautiful and desirable than others. I’m not talking about “white people on general” but white gook looking. Well, it’s just a example but again, waste of time. Enjoy the journey.

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  • @Jake
    Not all peoples respond the same way to the same social factors. For example, the Sexual Revolution in Sweden did not produce hordes of illegitimate children, nor of an increase in rape. The Sexual Revolution with blacks guaranteed a huge increase in illegitimate children, as well as even more black on white rape.

    Yes. it is possible that relaxed attitudes to dope, to using various drugs recreationally, will cause little violent crime increase in whites, while at the same time it causes a violent crime increase in blacks and mestizo Meso-Americans.

    Not only is ti possible; I say it has happened. White Liberalism always makes non-whites worse inb key ways.

    For example, the Sexual Revolution in Sweden did not produce hordes of illegitimate children

    Why, yes, it did. Very few people in Sweden get married.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-end-of-marriage-in-scandinavia/article/4891

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    Hey Truth,

    This sounds correct. Within my wife's cousins in Sweden - they have 4 or 5 kids between all of them. None of them are married - they don't bother any more.

    Peace.
    , @Jake
    People in Sweden do not marry legally, but they also tend to have rather long co-habitation periods - serial monogamy is common.

    Swedish women are not known for having 6 chirrens by 4 daddys. Swedish men are not prone to producing 5 children by 3 women.

    The Swedish pattern has been for a couple to live together for 15 or more years and produce and together raise 1 or 2 children.

    From the vantage of Christendom, that is a terrible thing that will produce much evil down the road. But it is rather easily correctible.

    The black response to the white Liberal's sexual revolution has produced hellish horror that cannot be salvaged without brutal force.
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  • @Ron Unz

    Ron, if you could wave your magic wand and reduce Latino numbers in California by, whatever, say, 50%, 75%, 90% – take your pick – would you do it?
     
    Not really. Basically, when I was growing up, I think California was something like 5-10% Hispanic and a fine place to live, and now it's 40% Latino and still pretty nice. Although the negatives are indeed much larger, I don't see almost any of them as having to do with the ethnic changes.

    Traffic is much worse, housing is hugely expensive, and wage-competition has greatly driven down the standard of living. So if half the population disappeared, the quality of life would be greatly improved, but not if the Latinos disappeared and were just replaced by Anglos or other people.

    You'd never know it from reading anti-immigration websites, but California is currently one of the big states where things are going best right now, both economically and in the opinion of the voters. That's one of the reasons Trump's anti-DC campaign failed so badly here, while he won the states of the Industrial Midwest, where things are going badly and people are extremely dissatisfied and pessimistic. When times are pretty good, people aren't as eager to overthrow the government.

    Here's a reality check. Since housing is so ridiculously expensive in CA, anyone who lives here in a very ordinary house could sell it and buy a huge, fancy house almost anywhere else in the country. So unless they're tied down here by special circumstances, the views of Californians who endlessly complain about immigration or taxes or anything else here should be taken with a large grain of salt.

    That’s one of the reasons Trump’s anti-DC campaign failed so badly here

    Huh, I thought Trump’s anti-DC campaign failed so badly because he didn’t campaign in California — at all — after the San Jose debacle where a gang of Mexitrash (with the wink wink consent of the mayor) punched, pummeled and spit on Trump supporters. It’s funny how seeing your supporters carted off to the ER for treatment will make a candidate think twice about spending time in your state. Not a good look for California, not at all. Oh well, the rich and privileged still have their $8/hr landscapers, so it’s all good.

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  • @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Your last paragraph explains your "No."

    Think about it.

    Btw, I'll return to our previous conversation when I have a bit more time. (Family, what are you going to do.) However, I'm beginning to suspect that I was wrong about you. Actually, I was wrong multiple times. At first, I thought you were just a pointless troll. Then, I thought you seemed more like a PR flak, simply repeating your talking points - though this is somewhat true. Now, I'm beginning to wonder if you're more like the clueless, but good-hearted pastor who is useful to community when times are calm (and protected by the actions of others and earlier generations) but laughably impotent when danger arrives.

    But who knows, maybe I'm wrong again. Frankly, I would respect you more if you were some paid PR flak.

    “Now, I’m beginning to wonder if you’re more like the clueless, but good-hearted pastor who is useful to community when times are calm (and protected by the actions of others and earlier generations) but laughably impotent when danger arrives.”

    This “clueless, good-hearted pastor” has God as His reservoir of strength. The pastor is assuredly useful in smooth and rough times.

    “Your last paragraph explains your “No.” Think about it.”

    Regarding that topic, how would you define “good whites” and “bad whites”? What are the metrics involved? Furthermore, is it required for all whites to be on the same page racially? If yes, why? How does it reconcile with conservatives who tout freedom of association?

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    Furthermore, is it required for all whites to be on the same page racially? If yes, why? How does it reconcile with conservatives who tout freedom of association?
     
    Seems to me the need to justify every aspect of human behavior is kind of a "hobgoblin of little minds."

    It is enough that there is something that you want to do. The only question is what stops it?

    As for conservatives who "tout freedom of association?" Well they can form their own nation. No one will stop them from leaving, but god only knows where they do this or what constituency they can sell on it.

    As an idle thought, if "freedom of association" doesn't have any obvious short to mid term benefits (and there is real doubt it has any long term benefits), how easy a sell is it anyway?

    You might be referring to the freedom of association concept involved with things like restrictive covenants. If so I really am not sure what you are trying to say here.
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  • @Santoculto
    When i understand your comment i answer you.

    “When i understand your comment i answer you.”

    Dude, you were the one who wrote “By artificial methods and reasons”. I believe it was an add on to the comment “Whiteness has gone from a desirable trait to an undesirable one in a remarkably short time” made by AndrewR, but you neglected to specify.

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    Even I do this you don't care isn't? So..

    In all non western places people easily recognize some "white phenotypes" as beautiful and desirable than others. I'm not talking about "white people on general" but white gook looking. Well, it's just a example but again, waste of time. Enjoy the journey.
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  • @Montefrío
    I live in one of the countries you named and have traveled widely in the other two: none is "first world". Neither are they "whiter" than the US, save for certain districts. What's true is that there is nothing approaching the racial animosity that exists up north and that racial intermarriage is far more common in these countries, which in some areas are indeed very pleasant places in which to live. One feature of the three you forgot: in none of them is there much of an Afro presence, a factor of no small importance.

    I never saw any obviously Amerindian people at any time I was in Argentina and Chile (admittedly only about 6 weeks) but did go from Valparaiso in the north to Ushuaia in the south. The people were that were brown looked Spanish. Since it was a tour we only went to places the well off were so that may be it.

    In Bolivia you definitely saw Amerindians but by the time we got to Salta (another motorcycle tour) it looked almost like Spain.

    They had running water, electricity that stayed on all day, sewage systems, and decent roads. It seemed like first world to me. The only problem was the sewage system did not handle toilet paper – gotta fix that).

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    You're correct in concluding that there are few wholly Amerind communities in the three countires you mentioned, though they exist. You're doubly correct with respect to your remark that "Since it was a tour we only went to places the well off were so that may be it." Salta, for example, is imho the prettiest city in Argentina, the best preserved.

    I found very interesting your observation that "[t]he people were that were brown looked Spanish". There's no small amount of truth in that. My two grandsons have 1/16th Guaraní blood, but the elder looks like he belongs on a Hitler Youth poster and the younger isn't far behind.

    Having lived in Spain for much of my adult life and having had a Spanish wife who was utterly contemptuous of life in the Southern Cone, I'm disinclined to equate Salta with Spain, but even so, we're agreed that these countries maintain more of an "old country" (Spain) tone than places like Bolivia, Perú (one of my favorite places, nonetheless), Paraguay and such. I sincerely believed (and still do) that the Southern Cone countries are the final frontier for Westerners willing to learn Spanish and put up with no small number of inconveniences (mostly but not entirely gov-generated), but have open to them many opportunities to live well, thrive, prosper and enrich themselves and their new society in many ways. I for one would like to live long enough (I'm 71) to see it!

    I'll leave you with this, which while written and sung by lefties, makes a poignant point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksWES8VSDaU&ytbChannel=Chenchu%20L%C3%B3pez

    Here're the lyrics if you don't speak Spanish: http://lyricstranslate.com/es/el-sur-tambi%C3%A9n-existe-south-exists-too.html

    Thanks for your reply and your interest in our region!
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  • @Ron Unz
    I really have to leave this thread, but before I go I think I'll leave you with a real brain-teaser...

    Back a few years ago, I was corresponding with some young WN fellow, and I made a claim that utterly shocked him. I said that I thought it fairly likely that of all the many immigrant groups that had contributed to the success of Silicon Valley, Latino immigrants were the single most important group, more so than the Chinese or the Koreans or the Indians or the Russians. Certainly not more than all the others combined, but more than any other single immigrant group.

    He thought the idea sounded totally crazy, but after I explained my reasoning, he admitted I made a pretty plausible case (a year or two later, he stopped being a WN though he still sometimes hangs around here and remains an ardent HBDist/IQist).

    Anyway, that's my closing riddle, and I'll be curious to see whether anyone can figure it out...

    Your riddle is sublimely simple, Mr Unz.

    The Mexicans do all the landscaping, nannying, cooking, and other mundane tasks which frees up all the Silicon Valley douchebags to spend their entire day dreaming up the next big thing in social media spyware and crony capitalist graft.

    Screw them both. Screw the Mexicans and screw Silicon Valley. We don’t need either the low class or the high class parasites, thank you very much.

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    Doesn't really matter, but I was looking through this thread for a particular kind of post.

    Namely a suggestion that California either be encouraged to leave the Union, or get kicked out. Whatever.

    I have nothing against Unz, but let him live in whatever California becomes, along with the other residents of his state that firmly believe in it's principles, but strangely seem to decamp to other states. Whatever, who cares. That shouldn't be an option anymore.

    And in my new United States (actually I'd carve off New England, and whoever else wanted to leave as well) we would negotiate an internet monopoly with Ali Baba and whatever other Chinese competitors there are.

    Basically, google, facebook, ebay all banned from the new United States. Sure, we are giving all that data to the Chinese now.

    But face it. Which is more toxic and venomous? A ruthless bunch of Chinese businessmen? Or Jeff Bezos?

    And buddy there would be a wall along the California border (though they aren't going to like where I draw the borders, and believe me they are going to change, basically the mountains are going to be the border, and Portland is going to be a city state).
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  • @Bragadocious
    Why do people always repeat this nonsense? It sounds good, I suppose, to a certain class of liberals looking to white knight on behalf of the little brown people in Juarez. I don't think beheading 20 people and then hanging their decapitated corpses from a highway overpass can really be blamed on some poor schmuck in Ohio who shoots up. No, this is Mexico simply being Mexico.

    In any case, the U.S. uses less cocaine per capita than the UK and Spain, and less than half of opiates per capita than the UK. And did you know the Mexican cartels also service Europe? They do. And did you further know that British banks like HSBC have been caught laundering their money? They have.

    Blaming Mexican drug violence on the U.S. is really the last refuge of simpletons.

    Any society infested by drugs, violence, moral bankruptcy, corruption and social disintegration will prevail; the only way to deal with drugs infestation is to cut off the sources (demand and supply) and eliminate the drugs suppliers and users with decisive action.

    Democracy is not only the wrong tool to deal with drugs infestation it is the environment to breed drugs infestation. USA provides the rich source (demand) and ample means (guns, thugs, and political interference) for the drugs environment in Mexico to flourish. Mexican cannot win the war on drugs in face such powerful resistance forces next door that render their anti-drugs effort meaningless. This is not rhetoric but the conclusion from a 150 years of painful experience dealing with drugs (Opium).

    The appalling situation in Mexico is not the worst, it could be a lot more worse.

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  • @RadicalCenter
    "Anglo" Americans are NOT the majority of the USA's population and have not been for quite some time, if "Anglo" means a person who is a substantial part English/Scottish/Welsh or Irish genetically.

    “Anglo” Americans are NOT the majority of the USA’s population and have not been for quite some time, if “Anglo” means a person who is a substantial part English/Scottish/Welsh or Irish genetically.

    Culturally Anglo, as in Anglo-America vs Latin America. A very fundamental division, that.

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    Agreed wholeheartedly. I'd just say European rather than Anglo.
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  • @Anon
    You're a Tejano? Or a Californio?

    Or did the border cross the Yucatan when I wasn't looking?

    I think the Mexican/US border has crossed, oh, approximately VISALIA or FRESNO, and is still moving northward.

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  • @Simplyamazed
    My attempts to explain the reliability of statistics generated about crime relate to Mexico, with U.S. statistics used as a comparative to illustrate what such rates mean. I have made no attempt to justify statistics for other countries, and would not try to compare reports for places such as Mozambique or Tanzania without doing a lot of work and study, which I have not bothered to do.

    I have conceded that statistics based on reports generated by police in most places are both unreliable and not very comparable. However, surveys such as Mexico's National Survey of Victimization and Perception of Crime (ENVIPE to use the spanish acronym) are much more reliable and comparable to similar studies in other jurisdictions. in particular because they implement standards and guidelines developed by UNODC.

    Unfortunately, the underlying data for the more recent ENVIPE reports are not available in english. Your unfamiliarity with spanish leaves you at a disadvantage I cannot remedy.

    All of that said, my central point is that crime statistics seem to show levels of crime in Mexico that are tolerable in general (normal in fact), although there are some parts of Mexico that are experiencing high and rising crime rates where caution is warranted. It is not hard to avoid those places and enjoy levels of safety comparable to levels of safety found in most places in the U.S. High crime locations in the U.S., such as Detroit, Baltimore and New Orleans. where levels of crime approach the high crime areas in Mexico, are not so dangerous that people avoid visiting them. This is true for Mexico as well. The high murder rate making its way into recent statistics about Mexico are heavily weighted by gang wars related to the drug cartels and are centered in specific areas (such as Acapulco and the areas along the Mexican border with the U.S).

    Shame on him for his unfamiliarity with Spanish.

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  • @Corvinus
    I'm well aware of the legitimacy of Anglo-American. I'm just stating how a good deal of white Americans do not refer themselves in that particular way.

    "I’m retired and spend much of my time on political activism, but I see nothing to be gained from discussing the details with a condescending adolescent mentality such as yours. "

    In other words, it's mere talk. Because every day the elites become more and more powerful while you and those "concerned" simply write blogs or make without following in the footsteps of our past patriots who spoke AND took action.

    A big reason why many white Americans do not call ourselves “Anglo-Americans” is simply because tens of millions of white Americans have a small to nonexistent genetic contribution from England, Scotland, and Wales, or from Ireland. It’s based on genetic reality in many cases, not just emotion or perception / emotional identity.

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  • @Corvinus
    "By artificial methods and reasons."

    If you want to remain logically consistent, then you are going to have to acknowledge that the radical right is also employing similar strategies to further their own racial and ethnic agenda.

    When i understand your comment i answer you.

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    "When i understand your comment i answer you."

    Dude, you were the one who wrote "By artificial methods and reasons". I believe it was an add on to the comment "Whiteness has gone from a desirable trait to an undesirable one in a remarkably short time" made by AndrewR, but you neglected to specify.
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  • @Corvinus
    "Your reputation as a troll is well-known..."

    Considering I have over 4,800 comments on this blog, and have been involved in dozens in-depth exchanges, you would be peddling Fake News with your assertion.

    "how is my claim an “opinion” rather than demonstrable fact?"

    Here is what you stated "Whiteness has gone from a desirable trait to an undesirable one in a remarkably short time. " Certainly, this topic has reached the mainstream by those on the Coalition of the Fringe Left--with the appropriate rabid responses by their Right counterparts--but the rank and file, or "normies", have generally labelled it as being a relatively obscure issue. There are other more important things on their plate.

    Remember, by lumping all whites together, it ignores the heterogeneity within groups of European descent, especially in regard to their immigration to the States and how Europeans have historically treated one another.

    Remember, by demanding that whites must unify under the banner of whiteness, it undermines the value of freedom of association.

    Has Trump highlighted this endemic problem? Has the Alt Right narrative seeped into the white American consciousness to the point that white people have repeatedly taken to the streets to reclaim their white identity? Does the average white person constantly reveal how horrific their own life is because they are unable to express their whiteness on a daily basis? Are whites in the entertainment business desperately and perpetually trying to cover up their pigment deficiencies?

    No.

    Now, if you want to say that white people are under increasing attack for being white by radicals, that would be fair to say.

    Your last paragraph explains your “No.”

    Think about it.

    Btw, I’ll return to our previous conversation when I have a bit more time. (Family, what are you going to do.) However, I’m beginning to suspect that I was wrong about you. Actually, I was wrong multiple times. At first, I thought you were just a pointless troll. Then, I thought you seemed more like a PR flak, simply repeating your talking points – though this is somewhat true. Now, I’m beginning to wonder if you’re more like the clueless, but good-hearted pastor who is useful to community when times are calm (and protected by the actions of others and earlier generations) but laughably impotent when danger arrives.

    But who knows, maybe I’m wrong again. Frankly, I would respect you more if you were some paid PR flak.

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    "Now, I’m beginning to wonder if you’re more like the clueless, but good-hearted pastor who is useful to community when times are calm (and protected by the actions of others and earlier generations) but laughably impotent when danger arrives."

    This "clueless, good-hearted pastor" has God as His reservoir of strength. The pastor is assuredly useful in smooth and rough times.

    "Your last paragraph explains your “No.” Think about it."

    Regarding that topic, how would you define “good whites” and “bad whites”? What are the metrics involved? Furthermore, is it required for all whites to be on the same page racially? If yes, why? How does it reconcile with conservatives who tout freedom of association?

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  • @MBlanc46
    I live near some Mexican-majority Chicago suburbs. They do not appear, so far as one can tell from driving through them, assimilating. They are creating little Mexicos.

    The very phrase “Mexican-majority CHICAGO suburb” is sickening. I lived in Chicago for several years as a young guy, and that would have been unthinkable — and I’m not elderly, so it wasn’t all that long ago in social-demographic terms.

    Sadly, the Mexicans have reached even beautiful, quiet, safe, civilized, friendly, heavily Dutch/German/Slavic Michigan in some meaningful numbers in recent years. For example, Grand Rapids MI is changing and mostly not for the better.

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  • @The Plutonium Kid
    If their first loyalty is to Mexico and not to the United States, they are not citizens no matter what their legal status may be. When they are overtly hostile to Anglo-America, when they talk openly about establishing a new Hispanic nation called Aztlan in the American southwest, then they are enemies.

    And I'd like to know why you assume so blithely that all forty million of them want to assimilate. A great many of them don't, which makes them intruders instead of immigrants. And of those immigrants who do assimilate, their children and grandchildren often absimilate, i.e. they become overtly hostile to Anglo-American culture and become Hispanic supremacists. See here:

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/the-second-generation-problem

    Or is John Derbyshire too alt.right for you?

    I want Anglo-Americans to remain the dominant political, cultural and demographic majority in the United States. Do you consider this evil, Fred? If so, it isn't nearly as evil as your indifference to the disempowerment and dispossession of your own people.

    Democrats want to build a power base among non-white immigrants, which is one of the reasons they engage in so much anti-white race-bating. Republicans want cheap labor. Neither party cares what impact this will have on the white middle and working classes. We are governed by a hostile political elite.

    True. The elites don’t care about the effect on the BLACK American working class, either.

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  • @The Plutonium Kid
    If their first loyalty is to Mexico and not to the United States, they are not citizens no matter what their legal status may be. When they are overtly hostile to Anglo-America, when they talk openly about establishing a new Hispanic nation called Aztlan in the American southwest, then they are enemies.

    And I'd like to know why you assume so blithely that all forty million of them want to assimilate. A great many of them don't, which makes them intruders instead of immigrants. And of those immigrants who do assimilate, their children and grandchildren often absimilate, i.e. they become overtly hostile to Anglo-American culture and become Hispanic supremacists. See here:

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/the-second-generation-problem

    Or is John Derbyshire too alt.right for you?

    I want Anglo-Americans to remain the dominant political, cultural and demographic majority in the United States. Do you consider this evil, Fred? If so, it isn't nearly as evil as your indifference to the disempowerment and dispossession of your own people.

    Democrats want to build a power base among non-white immigrants, which is one of the reasons they engage in so much anti-white race-bating. Republicans want cheap labor. Neither party cares what impact this will have on the white middle and working classes. We are governed by a hostile political elite.

    “Anglo” Americans are NOT the majority of the USA’s population and have not been for quite some time, if “Anglo” means a person who is a substantial part English/Scottish/Welsh or Irish genetically.

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    “Anglo” Americans are NOT the majority of the USA’s population and have not been for quite some time, if “Anglo” means a person who is a substantial part English/Scottish/Welsh or Irish genetically.
     
    Culturally Anglo, as in Anglo-America vs Latin America. A very fundamental division, that.
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  • @Buck Turgidson
    Fred we need to take you to my physician's office in N Va some time. The place swarms with women from Latin America -- NONE of which look like the young lady in the photo. All of which have 2-3 children in tow (none of whom speak English BTW).

    You cannot believe the warmth this sends through my system knowing that the health care costs for all of them come out of my overtaxed and not wealthy carcass

    We have several young children. Same experience that Buck has had, with our pediatrician’s office in Los Angeles. Both the support staff and the patients are solid majority Mexican — and they’re typical Mexicans, unattractive in the extreme by our standards and usually even more morbidly obese than white Americans (which is saying something), not the unrepresentative fit, decent- and healthy-looking white-ish gal Fred wants us to believe is typical.

    On a typical visit, some of the parents and kids are speaking English, albeit usually not too well, but most of the time they’re speaking Spanish.

    I share Buck’s warm, fuzzy feeling knowing that my wife and I are working to provide medical care for our children and for a large percentage of the children we see in the waiting room with us. No way to tell whether some of the parents are illegal aliens, and the State of California increasingly goes out of its way to make it as easy as possible for people to enroll in “entitlement” programs and “get benefits” without ever presenting proof of US Citizenship or even legal permanent residency.

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  • @(((Owen)))

    The fact that there’s a surplus of bellicose and racially chauvinistic leaders in the Mexican-American community almost ensures expanded conflict between whites and Latinos in the future.
     
    The audience for such 'leaders' does not exist in the Mexican-American community. The funding and support for those leaders comes from white SJWs and their corporate and government contacts. They exist as a wedge for goodwhites against badwhites. Latinos mostly don't know or care about them.

    The audience for such ‘leaders’ does not exist in the Mexican-American community.

    Are you honestly trying to claim that average Mexicans living in the U.S. reject racial identity politics and embrace racial tolerance and diversity? Regardless of (((who))) the funding comes from for radical leaders, Mexicans in general are very race conscious and nationalistic and they consistently support politicians who pay lip service to their racial demands whether it be in the form of a white leftist like Hillary Clinton or brown race chauvinists like Julian Castro and Luis Gutierrez.

    Most Mexicans aren’t race neutralists and racial masochists like your average brainwashed white person.

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  • @Rurik

    “love” from the alt right/white nationalists
     
    I wish we had a definition for what exactly was meant by 'white nationalist' LK

    I suspect that what people intend when they use that expression is a meth addicted, toothless redneck in the hills of Appalachia railing about 'blacks taking our women' or 'Mexicans taking our jobs' in between swigs of Budweiser and hits on the meth pipe.

    who openly pines for a return of Manifest Destiny (if not bringing back slavery) where whitey will march from Maine to San Diego and drive out all the darkies once and for all.

    or something like that

    And I suppose there even are some people like that, tho I've never met or even really heard of one.

    What I'd like to know is where on the spectrum does a person qualify for that pejorative?

    If they want to keep the ZUSA majority white for (perfectly sane) reasons of ethnic interests, does that qualify? Are not Zimbabwe (or revolutionary Haiti for that matter) places of warning for people who roll over and play dead, betting their destinies (or lack there of) on the forbearance of the non-whites to protect their rights?

    if they lament the decision of black rule in S. Africa, does that qualify?

    If they simply resent Affirmative Action as unprincipled and morally wrong, does that qualify?

    what about the Germans who oppose massive Muslim (and everyone else) immigration into their ancient lands... Are they 'white nationalists?

    And if so, is that necessarily a bad thing?

    I sometimes wonder if the expression 'white nationalist' or 'alt-right' isn't used in the same way as the ubiquitous pejorative 'racist' is used, to malign all people to the right of your positions as being the worst possible caricature of an ignoble type of loser.

    http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/200108/27_pugmiret_klanrally/slideshow/kkk.jpg

    when for some of us it means something else all together

    http://img.aws.la-croix.com/2014/11/29/1244983/Marion-Marechal-Le-Pen_0_730_340.jpg

    The sad thing is, that pic doesn’t even do Marion justice.

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    pic doesn’t even do Marion justice.
     
    yea, I know. But I wanted to get the National Front in there

    I wish someone would have bothered to elaborate on the question. I think it's a fair and very salient question to ask, since the expression 'white nationalist' is so in vogue right now. Why not have a definition of exactly what is meant by it?

    As it is, it's just a vague pejorative, and used to blanket smear those with whom others don't agree.

    like 'irredeemable deplorables'

    it simply means that you have moral superiority to 'white nationalists' because you're not as xenophobic (racist) as they are, and so it sort of makes the people using the expression sound like SJW, virtue signaling their supposed superiority.

    are Germans who don't like the Muslim invasion/permanent transformation of Germany: "white nationalists"?

    I would posit that that's a fair question, and if they are, how are they any different than Americans (of all races) who want to have a border and send back anyone who came here illegally? - From wherever they came from, even if it was from a nation that harbors white, relatively well-to-do American expatriates who want to stay in the good graces of the Mexican people, the Mexican authorities, the Mexican underworld, and perhaps most of all, his daughters- who likely hate with all their hearts and souls those evil white racist people in America that voted for Donald Trump (Hitler) and who hate all Mexicans and all brown people and who are no doubt irredeemably deplorable, (to say the least! ; ). If your daughters felt that way about Trump apologists, (as no doubt most young girls (white, Mexican or otherwise raised or living in Mexico) certainly feel, and you wanted to have the love and respect of your daughters (who wouldn't) then that would certainly be an understandable reason to wax unfavorable about anyone who supports Trump and his 'Wall of Hate'.

    no?
    , @Anon
    She's got brown eyes, though. She's one of them.
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  • @c matt

    The real problem is that White Hispanics want to have the cake and eat it too.
     
    Why is that a problemo? If a white hispanic can take advantage of the current PC-sodden system, are they not striking a blow for the white ethnic group - using PC's own weapons against them? Sounds like a win-win to me. Anyway, certainly can't blame them for trying.

    Anyway, certainly can’t blame them for trying.

    Great. Tell me where you live. I would like to rob you of everything you’ve got. You may not like it, but you certainly can’t blame me for trying.

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  • Remember, by lumping all whites together, it ignores the heterogeneity within groups of European descent, especially in regard to their immigration to the States and how Europeans have historically treated one another.

    Not to mention the extremely high variance in quality among whites.

    White women are numerous at both the top and bottom of the 1-10 female looks scale. By contrast, Asian women are within a much narrorer range (5-8).

    White men occupy the top and bottom of the talent/intellect scale as well. That is why the underachievers become White Trashionalists, even though they have sooooooo little in common with successful whites.

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  • @mobi

    no matter how you look at it, violence in Mexico wasn’t nearly as high before the rise of the cartels. We can’t just pretend that the drug violence in Mexico has nothing to do with us.
     
    If America is causing Mexicans to act like bloodthirsty, corrupt, amoral savages because - drug trade, then why doesn't the same work in reverse? America is an even bigger, more active participant in the same drug trade.

    How come Mexico's involvement in the drug trade doesn't make Americans behave this way?

    Whatever could it possibly be?

    Not all peoples respond the same way to the same social factors. For example, the Sexual Revolution in Sweden did not produce hordes of illegitimate children, nor of an increase in rape. The Sexual Revolution with blacks guaranteed a huge increase in illegitimate children, as well as even more black on white rape.

    Yes. it is possible that relaxed attitudes to dope, to using various drugs recreationally, will cause little violent crime increase in whites, while at the same time it causes a violent crime increase in blacks and mestizo Meso-Americans.

    Not only is ti possible; I say it has happened. White Liberalism always makes non-whites worse inb key ways.

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    For example, the Sexual Revolution in Sweden did not produce hordes of illegitimate children
     
    Why, yes, it did. Very few people in Sweden get married.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-end-of-marriage-in-scandinavia/article/4891
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  • @Colleen Pater
    For a supposedly smart people you just cant seem to learn from your mistakes. You had a perfect opportunity to start over again differently here in the US after the "holocaust" but you simply doubled down. So here you are desperately trying to head off the inevitable. What are the chances we will be so sloppy about the final solution this time? The process that will lead to the inevitable will reveal the whole last 150 years the way it ought to have been understood while it was happening. What ar the chance when people really see who did what that even Israel will be spared? Enjoy your little meme wars but you and I both know the yid is up.

    “So here you are desperately trying to head off the inevitable.”

    So are you going to be front and center, or in the background.

    “What are the chances we will be so sloppy about the final solution this time?”

    Who is this “we”?

    “What ar the chance when people really see who did what that even Israel will be spared?”

    You are dreaming.

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  • @(((Owen)))

    The fact that there’s a surplus of bellicose and racially chauvinistic leaders in the Mexican-American community almost ensures expanded conflict between whites and Latinos in the future.
     
    The audience for such 'leaders' does not exist in the Mexican-American community. The funding and support for those leaders comes from white SJWs and their corporate and government contacts. They exist as a wedge for goodwhites against badwhites. Latinos mostly don't know or care about them.

    “They exist as a wedge for goodwhites against badwhites.”

    How would you define “good whites” and “bad whites”? What are the metrics involved? Furthermore, is it required for all whites to be on the same page racially? If yes, why? How does it reconcile with conservatives who tout freedom of association?

    As an aside, the audience for leaders comes from within the Mexican-American community, and not exclusively from white SJW’s, corporatists, or the gummint.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexican-American_political_organizations

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  • @Santoculto
    By artificial methods and reasons.

    “By artificial methods and reasons.”

    If you want to remain logically consistent, then you are going to have to acknowledge that the radical right is also employing similar strategies to further their own racial and ethnic agenda.

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    When i understand your comment i answer you.
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  • @AndrewR
    Your reputation as a troll is well-known, but I'll bite: how is my claim an "opinion" rather than demonstrable fact?

    “Your reputation as a troll is well-known…”

    Considering I have over 4,800 comments on this blog, and have been involved in dozens in-depth exchanges, you would be peddling Fake News with your assertion.

    “how is my claim an “opinion” rather than demonstrable fact?”

    Here is what you stated “Whiteness has gone from a desirable trait to an undesirable one in a remarkably short time. ” Certainly, this topic has reached the mainstream by those on the Coalition of the Fringe Left–with the appropriate rabid responses by their Right counterparts–but the rank and file, or “normies”, have generally labelled it as being a relatively obscure issue. There are other more important things on their plate.

    Remember, by lumping all whites together, it ignores the heterogeneity within groups of European descent, especially in regard to their immigration to the States and how Europeans have historically treated one another.

    Remember, by demanding that whites must unify under the banner of whiteness, it undermines the value of freedom of association.

    Has Trump highlighted this endemic problem? Has the Alt Right narrative seeped into the white American consciousness to the point that white people have repeatedly taken to the streets to reclaim their white identity? Does the average white person constantly reveal how horrific their own life is because they are unable to express their whiteness on a daily basis? Are whites in the entertainment business desperately and perpetually trying to cover up their pigment deficiencies?

    No.

    Now, if you want to say that white people are under increasing attack for being white by radicals, that would be fair to say.

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    Your last paragraph explains your "No."

    Think about it.

    Btw, I'll return to our previous conversation when I have a bit more time. (Family, what are you going to do.) However, I'm beginning to suspect that I was wrong about you. Actually, I was wrong multiple times. At first, I thought you were just a pointless troll. Then, I thought you seemed more like a PR flak, simply repeating your talking points - though this is somewhat true. Now, I'm beginning to wonder if you're more like the clueless, but good-hearted pastor who is useful to community when times are calm (and protected by the actions of others and earlier generations) but laughably impotent when danger arrives.

    But who knows, maybe I'm wrong again. Frankly, I would respect you more if you were some paid PR flak.
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  • @Priss Factor
    The view of the Alt Right is more nuanced on this matter.

    Alt Right has no problem with White Hispanics. They see them as fellow Europeans. The real problem is that White Hispanics want to have the cake and eat it too. In Latin American nations, they enjoy white privilege(the real kind) and hog media and elite institutions. And in the US, they can easily mingle with whites. BUT, they insist on 'Hispanic' label and reject whiteness as identity since whiteness connotes 'racism' and 'supremacism'. White Hispanics are like Jews in this regard. Their whiteness makes it easier for them to mingle in white society, and they do so to get all the goodies, BUT they also make a big stink about how they are not 'white' but 'Hispanic' or 'people of color' because 5% of their blood is Aztec or some such.

    There are utopian Alt Rightists who hope for separate racial nation-states in the US, but most are more realistic. They recognize that the US will continue as a diverse nation. But they believe that whites must develop their own identity and group interest within this diversity.
    Even if US cannot be white like it used to be again, white people can survive as a race and culture if they have a racial consciousness. After all, this is what allowed Jews to survive for 1000s of yrs in Europe and Middle East. They had to live among Arabs or Europeans, but they maintained a certain autonomy by emphasizing their own identity, history, and culture.

    The real problem is that White Hispanics want to have the cake and eat it too.

    Why is that a problemo? If a white hispanic can take advantage of the current PC-sodden system, are they not striking a blow for the white ethnic group – using PC’s own weapons against them? Sounds like a win-win to me. Anyway, certainly can’t blame them for trying.

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    Anyway, certainly can’t blame them for trying.
     
    Great. Tell me where you live. I would like to rob you of everything you've got. You may not like it, but you certainly can't blame me for trying.
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  • @The Plutonium Kid
    The United States, however, has five times the population of Great Britain, which means the American market is much bigger even if Britain's per capita use is higher. American banks have been caught laundering drug money too, and no matter how you look at it, violence in Mexico wasn't nearly as high before the rise of the cartels. We can't just pretend that the drug violence in Mexico has nothing to do with us.

    and no matter how you look at it, violence in Mexico wasn’t nearly as high before the rise of the cartels.

    Actually, the homicide rate in Mexico was higher before the rise of the drug cartels:

    repetition of the mantra “this is the bloodiest era in the country’s history since the Mexican Revolution” (Analysis, 4 April) does not make it true. The Cristero (Catholic) insurgency of the late 1920s (ie after the revolution) generated homicide rates of 200 per 100,000 (the standard metric), compared to 24 per 100,000 in 2011; more significantly, the homicide rate in 1940 was 67 per 100,000; and even circa 1960 – when no revolts happened and the “Peace of the PRI” (the then ruling party) prevailed – it was higher than it is today.

    Alan Knight
    Professor of the history of Latin America, Oxford University

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/10/mexico-murder-rate

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  • @Bragadocious
    Here's a question. Do you consider Mexicans to be adults, with moral agency? If so, you'd have to conclude the ISIS-style violence in Mexico is their fault. If not, you can certainly blame America for everything. But you'd also have to say that Mexicans are not fit to vote, drive a car or even have children. Can't have it both ways.

    Mexico’s horrific violence is not ‘Isis-style,’ You can truthfully call it ‘Isis-level,’ but that is not the same as ‘Isis-style.’

    The Mexican violence is about drug gangs, then coupled with regional rivalries to reign over all, which always feature regional Indian ancestry. It is like Apaches vs. Yacquis, but made worse by the history of white Liberalism.

    Yes, Mexico suffers from a history of white Liberalism. The Mexican waves of revolution began with an perhaps insanely heretical pure white Catholic priest allowing his heart to become so filled with tenderness for Indians that he began calling for Indians to massacre pure blood Spanish as central to land and wealth redistribution.

    America’s WASP Elites have backed every stage of Mexican revolution until it became obvious it would spill over into the US and would cost US businesses a lot of money. The current violence is yet anothe stage of Mexican revolution.

    Each stage of Mexican revolution is about being anti-Catholic Church and anti-white European in cultural identity. each stage therefore contributes to returning Mexico back to endless savagery of Aztec Mexico

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  • @Citizen of a Silly Country
    I suspect that we're closer in our thinking than you believe.

    Routing for your team doesn't mean condoning bad behavior of its members whether toward other members of your own tribe or members of other tribes. A functioning society - and, hell, just plain morals - requires that you stop such people.

    So, how do maintain order and decency, i.e. policing your tribe, without allowing other tribes to take advantage of your order and decency? Simple, separate countries where possible or separate communities for multi-racial countries.

    It's why peoples have been separating themselves since the dawn of time. I don't think that modern Americans have a clue just how bizarre our current environment is compared to history.

    As always, I use the Jews as a model. Push for a homeland while maintaining your community within larger communities. If a Jewish guy is running around beating up blacks, Jews would want that guy punished. But that doesn't stop Jews from also wanting to maintain their people and culture within that society.

    Now, you could argue that Jews are condoning bad behavior from Israelis toward Palestinians, but that's more a of war/territory situation. However, even there, the Israelis have rules of engagement, albeit relatively lax ones. But, hey, guerilla warfare is a nasty business.

    People has been separated in different categories firstly because it’s already a product of natural selection, secondly, because it’s more efficient to business when you know who is who, thirdly because people on avg lack on mentalistic skills of benign nature to learn how to behave one each other, fourthly because persistent existence of minority of psychopaths/psycho-assholes in human societies who use any conflict to their own retarded advantage and most people because it’s already domesticated have long time to detect them namely those who are truly brilliant to hide behind superficial appearances.

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  • @The Plutonium Kid
    The United States, however, has five times the population of Great Britain, which means the American market is much bigger even if Britain's per capita use is higher. American banks have been caught laundering drug money too, and no matter how you look at it, violence in Mexico wasn't nearly as high before the rise of the cartels. We can't just pretend that the drug violence in Mexico has nothing to do with us.

    no matter how you look at it, violence in Mexico wasn’t nearly as high before the rise of the cartels. We can’t just pretend that the drug violence in Mexico has nothing to do with us.

    If America is causing Mexicans to act like bloodthirsty, corrupt, amoral savages because – drug trade, then why doesn’t the same work in reverse? America is an even bigger, more active participant in the same drug trade.

    How come Mexico’s involvement in the drug trade doesn’t make Americans behave this way?

    Whatever could it possibly be?

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    Not all peoples respond the same way to the same social factors. For example, the Sexual Revolution in Sweden did not produce hordes of illegitimate children, nor of an increase in rape. The Sexual Revolution with blacks guaranteed a huge increase in illegitimate children, as well as even more black on white rape.

    Yes. it is possible that relaxed attitudes to dope, to using various drugs recreationally, will cause little violent crime increase in whites, while at the same time it causes a violent crime increase in blacks and mestizo Meso-Americans.

    Not only is ti possible; I say it has happened. White Liberalism always makes non-whites worse inb key ways.
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  • @Corvinus
    "Whiteness has gone from a desirable trait to an undesirable one in a remarkably short time. "

    Thank you very much for your opinion on this matter.

    Your reputation as a troll is well-known, but I’ll bite: how is my claim an “opinion” rather than demonstrable fact?

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    "Your reputation as a troll is well-known..."

    Considering I have over 4,800 comments on this blog, and have been involved in dozens in-depth exchanges, you would be peddling Fake News with your assertion.

    "how is my claim an “opinion” rather than demonstrable fact?"

    Here is what you stated "Whiteness has gone from a desirable trait to an undesirable one in a remarkably short time. " Certainly, this topic has reached the mainstream by those on the Coalition of the Fringe Left--with the appropriate rabid responses by their Right counterparts--but the rank and file, or "normies", have generally labelled it as being a relatively obscure issue. There are other more important things on their plate.

    Remember, by lumping all whites together, it ignores the heterogeneity within groups of European descent, especially in regard to their immigration to the States and how Europeans have historically treated one another.

    Remember, by demanding that whites must unify under the banner of whiteness, it undermines the value of freedom of association.

    Has Trump highlighted this endemic problem? Has the Alt Right narrative seeped into the white American consciousness to the point that white people have repeatedly taken to the streets to reclaim their white identity? Does the average white person constantly reveal how horrific their own life is because they are unable to express their whiteness on a daily basis? Are whites in the entertainment business desperately and perpetually trying to cover up their pigment deficiencies?

    No.

    Now, if you want to say that white people are under increasing attack for being white by radicals, that would be fair to say.
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  • @Santoculto
    Interesting but bear in mind that in the case of meixcans and other Hispanics many or most of them are post-Colombian times, I mean: more domesticated to be servants of conquerors.

    But in the end of day the social-selective (under class) factor is also very important to explain why many non-black groups on american hemisphere can be more prone-to-violence than blacks diaspora.

    Indeed compare amerindians from pre Colombian civilizations with hunter gathers.

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  • @uslabor
    Yeah, because you don't agree with him. He doesn't say the words you want to hear on this issue. His opinion is different than yours. He likes Mexicans and you don't. You are afraid of the change that is happening around you. "The racialist sites (you visit) often do not check facts, do not correct false claims when notified of them, and not infrequently simply lie".

    blah blah blah

    Yeah, because you don’t agree with him. He doesn’t say the words you want to hear on this issue. His opinion is different than yours. He likes Mexicans and you don’t. You are afraid of the change that is happening around you. “The racialist sites (you visit) often do not check facts, do not correct false claims when notified of them, and not infrequently simply lie”.

    blah blah blah

    I’m afraid of cancer, too.

    You argue like a Mexican (stupid, and emotional)

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  • @Jake
    My guess is that it would differ slightly per the Indian tribe ancestry - the genetics of tribe, as opposed to region of birth and rearing and even of tribal membership of the individuals ancestors.

    For example, the Indians of the southeast US routinely adopted children they captured from other tribes. And one of the things that the Leftist Nurture types will gag on is that invariably the most vicious and brutal Cherokee were non-Cherokee in ancestry. The Cherokee who would lead in slaughtering white children and women almost always were genetically Shawnee or Creek. Attakullakulla (Little Carpenter) was born to a small Algonquian-speaking tribe living near the Great Lakes and allied with the Algonquian-speaking Shawnee. His son Dragging Canoe, whose mother was at least half Creek, founded the Chickamauga Cherokee, which was a renegade group at least half-outlawed from the main Cherokee towns. The Chickamaugas focused on attacking white women and children.

    And the Chickamaugas featured large numbers of Creeks and Shawnee. My guess is that no more than a third of the Chickamauga men were genetically Cherokee through both parents.

    Indian tribes are far from the same.

    And yes, the Indians in old northern Mexico were brutal killers. That's the reason, for example, that the Mexican government hired Americans to scalp Apaches. That was the best way to keep the Apache from raiding Mexican villages and slaughtering everyone they did not want as a slave.

    Interesting but bear in mind that in the case of meixcans and other Hispanics many or most of them are post-Colombian times, I mean: more domesticated to be servants of conquerors.

    But in the end of day the social-selective (under class) factor is also very important to explain why many non-black groups on american hemisphere can be more prone-to-violence than blacks diaspora.

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    Indeed compare amerindians from pre Colombian civilizations with hunter gathers.
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  • @Santoculto
    Obviously it was a very histrionic question. We are comparing zombified/or not necessarily/ liberal white people with regular-to-conservative white/whatever people.

    Just a example, if my hypothetical son is a psychopath who harm/hurt even kill other people or beings so I will never stay on your side even he is my own son. I have the impression that MOST people think differently than me in this very fundamental moral question.

    Between a evil person of my own tribe who can harm my own people/family and a person of other tribe who are truly virtue no doubt I will prefer the late and I hope any reasonable people will have the same reasoning. It's doesn't mean so I want my tribe be totally eliminated from earth surface, only if all them were evil and this type of tribe seems nonexistent among human beings, a entire tribe of pure evil people.

    Your reasoning now seems quite distant or abstractized from concrete reality where real people/and beings are and will be in progressive frequency affected and in very dangerous ways, just like the case of en masse gangrape in Britain.

    There is a huge difference to wish their own tribe be safe, qt priori, a healthy feeling, and... manipulate to eliminate totally other tribe or group of people. When real danger become trivial among white families i thought your banalization of tribal sins will be quickly thought again.

    I live in the family where I have insufferable differences with or specially with my older brother. No doubt I prefer a person who fit better with me than with my older brother. I wonder if conservative/less mutational load families tend to be more similar one each other in temperament than families with more liberals.

    People who say this "we are the world" are those who think everyone born kind and the society corrupt more ones than others. In other words, they are not totally wrong to search for other kind people in other tribes, the problem is that they think everyone may be part of their team of power rangers. If they just accepted the natural existence of "evil' among humans I thought they may would start to be less hopeless in terms of real-achievements in this aspect even I know at least that every cult start from generalized stubbornness and often become stronger even in the very dangerous moments, when everything show they are not absolutely correct as they think.

    So i thought your major mistake here is confuse real tribalistic virtues with real sins. Love your tribe at priori is not wrong even in the end of day physical races tend to have in its interior psycho-physiological subraces just like the differences between nerds and athletes and often they have mutual and untreatable differences. But love your tribe at point to try to exterminate other tribes is no doubt a very wrong question and for reasonable people impossible to be reverenced.

    I suspect that we’re closer in our thinking than you believe.

    Routing for your team doesn’t mean condoning bad behavior of its members whether toward other members of your own tribe or members of other tribes. A functioning society – and, hell, just plain morals – requires that you stop such people.

    So, how do maintain order and decency, i.e. policing your tribe, without allowing other tribes to take advantage of your order and decency? Simple, separate countries where possible or separate communities for multi-racial countries.

    It’s why peoples have been separating themselves since the dawn of time. I don’t think that modern Americans have a clue just how bizarre our current environment is compared to history.

    As always, I use the Jews as a model. Push for a homeland while maintaining your community within larger communities. If a Jewish guy is running around beating up blacks, Jews would want that guy punished. But that doesn’t stop Jews from also wanting to maintain their people and culture within that society.

    Now, you could argue that Jews are condoning bad behavior from Israelis toward Palestinians, but that’s more a of war/territory situation. However, even there, the Israelis have rules of engagement, albeit relatively lax ones. But, hey, guerilla warfare is a nasty business.

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    People has been separated in different categories firstly because it's already a product of natural selection, secondly, because it's more efficient to business when you know who is who, thirdly because people on avg lack on mentalistic skills of benign nature to learn how to behave one each other, fourthly because persistent existence of minority of psychopaths/psycho-assholes in human societies who use any conflict to their own retarded advantage and most people because it's already domesticated have long time to detect them namely those who are truly brilliant to hide behind superficial appearances.
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  • @TheOldOne
    It's simple; Fred Reed is our enemy; Mr. Unz should stop using his columns.

    Leave him. He’s funny specially if he was naive enough to think put a beautiful Mexican chick will make many people/men here rethink about La Raza plot.

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  • @Corvinus
    "What point could you possibly be trying to make by bringing this up?"

    When you use the term "Anglo Americans", you come across just like the elitists you supposedly disdain.

    "In other words, you’re just another keyboard commando."

    I'm not the one harping on how elitists are running roughshod over the world and few people are doing anything about it.

    Okay, so you don’t actually have a point of any kind. You’re just being a jerk. We’re done here.

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  • @The Plutonium Kid
    The United States, however, has five times the population of Great Britain, which means the American market is much bigger even if Britain's per capita use is higher. American banks have been caught laundering drug money too, and no matter how you look at it, violence in Mexico wasn't nearly as high before the rise of the cartels. We can't just pretend that the drug violence in Mexico has nothing to do with us.

    Here’s a question. Do you consider Mexicans to be adults, with moral agency? If so, you’d have to conclude the ISIS-style violence in Mexico is their fault. If not, you can certainly blame America for everything. But you’d also have to say that Mexicans are not fit to vote, drive a car or even have children. Can’t have it both ways.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    Mexico's horrific violence is not 'Isis-style,' You can truthfully call it 'Isis-level,' but that is not the same as 'Isis-style.'

    The Mexican violence is about drug gangs, then coupled with regional rivalries to reign over all, which always feature regional Indian ancestry. It is like Apaches vs. Yacquis, but made worse by the history of white Liberalism.

    Yes, Mexico suffers from a history of white Liberalism. The Mexican waves of revolution began with an perhaps insanely heretical pure white Catholic priest allowing his heart to become so filled with tenderness for Indians that he began calling for Indians to massacre pure blood Spanish as central to land and wealth redistribution.

    America's WASP Elites have backed every stage of Mexican revolution until it became obvious it would spill over into the US and would cost US businesses a lot of money. The current violence is yet anothe stage of Mexican revolution.

    Each stage of Mexican revolution is about being anti-Catholic Church and anti-white European in cultural identity. each stage therefore contributes to returning Mexico back to endless savagery of Aztec Mexico
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  • Races don’t exist or it’s irrelevant….because macro-elites are betting on transhumanism…

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