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    We are reaching levels of neoliberalism that shouldn't even be possible. In the USSR, getting a "red diploma" in university - the rough equivalent of a American summa cum laude - was contingent on acing the courses on scientific communism and similar crap. Interesting to see neoliberalism.txt developing in a similar direction. Andreas Schleicher, the...
  • @Mr. XYZ
    I completely agree with Tulip here. Indeed, some foreign values are good and some other foreign values--such as executing gay people and oppressing women--are very bad.

    this thread has turned into a bunch of neoliberal shills running interference

    example above

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  • @Mr. Hack

    I respect the values of people from different cultures.
    I value the opinions of people from different cultures.
    Immigrants should have the opportunity to continue their own customs and lifestyle.
     
    Is there something really evil, wicked, mean and nasty about these questions? I'm not for Somalis getting every single sort of government entitlement program imaginable (and not imaginable) like they do in Minnesota, but in general, aren't the values that these questions are probing for just plain old fashioned American virtues? BTW, doesn't Russia at least nominally try to project these same sorts of values for its Asian and Caucasian immigrants to the hinterlands?...

    but in general, aren’t the values that these questions are probing for just plain old fashioned American virtues?

    Absolutely not, cuck.

    Values and opinions of other cultures are only to be valued to the extent those cultures have merit. And even when they do have merit, one should always be biased in favor of one’s own people and against nefarious foreigners.

    Immigrants who wish to continue their own customs and lifestyles should go home instead of parasitically leeching off our social capital.

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  • Reminds me of a high school English teacher I once had, here in Canada, who put “did you enjoy this examination?” as one of the questions on his end-term exam. Answering anything except “yes” was marked wrong. I was the only idiot to answer “no” and find that out the hard way.

    I imagine it will be the same way here; it will only affect those who are too naive or socially-isolated to know that it would be a foolish thing to make a stand on.

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  • A lot of you guys are strikingly naive, it should be obvious that these questions are designed to promote hardcore multiculturalism as the official ideology which you shouldn’t dissent from.

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  • Proposed “questions” on PISA:

    I respect the values of people from different cultures.
    I value the opinions of people from different cultures.
    Immigrants should have the opportunity to continue their own customs and lifestyle.

    Just for starters, these are far too open-ended and subjective.

    For the first two, how about adding the words “as much as I do anyone else’s values/opinions”.

    For the last one, your answer will depend heavily on whether or not you envision “opportunity” as something that includes government-sponsored and funded facilities and laws for doing so.

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  • @Polish Perspective
    OT: https://i.imgur.com/Cs70e2B.png

    Interesting map on ICOs. Seems Europe is doing rather well, certainly on a per capita basis. ICOs are of course just one small part of the blockchain ecosystem that is growing, but contrary to AK's skepticism on EE's adoption of new technologies, our region seems to be doing well.

    Fascinating, thanks.

    Blockchain is in its infancy so you have all sorts of unusual players cropping up. By “Europe” ofc we mean primarily Switzerland (one of the most successful and untypical European countries) and Estonia (one of the most successful and untypical E. European countries, whose government has taken an inordinate interest in the blockchain).

    That said, it is encouraging to see Russia and Poland have some notable presence there.

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  • Oh, come on, those are completely fair questions! I mean if you had a couple of hundred million to invest, wouldn’t you want to know what countries were going to go third world?

    I’m joking, of course, but I detected politics in a local standardized test on the state level in the US like 20 years ago. If anything, it surprises me that an international test wasn’t a higher priority target to subvert, but I suppose we are dealing with a newer dynamic. The replacement mania isn’t that old.

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  • I completely agree with Tulip here. Indeed, some foreign values are good and some other foreign values–such as executing gay people and oppressing women–are very bad.

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    this thread has turned into a bunch of neoliberal shills running interference

    example above
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  • @El Dato

    I guess this is a result of the fact of testing at age 15, which is not yet the age when many youth begin to be able to learn subjects.
     
    Actually it's already past the age when many youth will ever be able to learn subjects.

    Actually it’s already past the age when many youth will ever be able to learn subjects.

    Yes, but this PISA ‘maths’ exam that does not contain any maths? It is completely useless.

    Most kids start learning the most basic or elementary things like completing the square when they are about 15 – so at least wait until they’ve learnt the first steps before you test them.

    Otherwise, it is like testing someone on tennis before they have picked up a racket.

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  • @Dmitry
    I believe 'Neoliberalism' refers to program of free-market economics and reductions in government spending. But the term is only used by critics - originally applied to 'Pinochet' in Chile.

    -

    Aside from ideological issues now being inserted, as a way to subtly insert the same cultural agenda universally, I am not sure this PISA test is competent.

    Reading the sample test, I cannot understand what this is supposed to be testing? - and there is no way it can be the same across different languages.

    (An old sample test)

    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/pisaproducts/Take%20the%20test%20e%20book.pdf


    The 'maths' paper has no maths in it!

    http://www.oecd.org/pisa/pisaproducts/pisa2012-2006-rel-items-maths-ENG.pdf

    It's some kind of counting test.

    I guess this is a result of the fact of testing at age 15, which is not yet the age when many youth begin to be able to learn subjects.

    If they start testing at the higher education age - they might get more relevant results.

    -

    I think OECD is useful at is doing things like writing reports of local housing markets. Otherwise it seems to be another money scamming project, like many international bodies (UNESCO, etc).

    I guess this is a result of the fact of testing at age 15, which is not yet the age when many youth begin to be able to learn subjects.

    Actually it’s already past the age when many youth will ever be able to learn subjects.

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    Actually it’s already past the age when many youth will ever be able to learn subjects.
     
    Yes, but this PISA 'maths' exam that does not contain any maths? It is completely useless.

    Most kids start learning the most basic or elementary things like completing the square when they are about 15 - so at least wait until they've learnt the first steps before you test them.

    Otherwise, it is like testing someone on tennis before they have picked up a racket.

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  • “Do you now or have you ever disapproved of Soros?”

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  • Proposed “questions” on PISA:

    I respect the values of people from different cultures.
    I value the opinions of people from different cultures.
    Immigrants should have the opportunity to continue their own customs and lifestyle.

    I know this is just SJW smoke screen to compute soy convergence, but Jesus Christ, doesn’t it matter that the “values” of different cultures can include things from having a good work ethic to lobbing queers off tall buildings?

    Ditto “customs and lifestyle”–do we want people practicing human sacrifice of albinos based on tribal superstitions or practicing female circumcision, or throwing widows into their husband’s funeral biers, or my favorite, slavery, and is this any different from hosting a Japanese tea ceremony or an African dance ensemble?

    This stuff is pure bull shit in the absence of context and nuance.

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  • https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/scotland/2018/01/immigration-nicola-sturgeon-s-out-step-england-and-her-own-electorate

    One of the more facetious arguments Scotland’s Yes movement touts is that the nation enjoys a kind of innate moral superiority to England. To them, our big southern neighbour is a country of Trident, Brexit, brutal welfare reforms, unhinged education reforms, NHS privatisation, austerity and neoliberalism. The not-so-subtle message is that England is a thin-lipped land of devil-take-the-hindmost fatcats, racists, isolationists, pompous boors and weepy imperial historicism. Scots, by contrast, are virtuous angels interested only in the common weal. [...]

    But Yessers have long argued that separation would allow the Scots to unleash their inner Scandinavian, to break free of the Union’s Anglo-Saxon constraints and construct a society run along more equitable lines. [...] This builds on Scotland’s existing “free stuff” culture: no tuition fees, prescription or hospital parking charges, and state-funded care for the elderly. [..] The polls are not currently kind. The National Centre for Social Research reported last week that 63 per cent of Scots want the maintain the same immigration rules as the rest of the UK after Brexit

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  • @Daniel Chieh
    Are you sure that we're not in a simulation universe, specifically that of a sitcom for aliens?

    Additional evidence:

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  • This questions are not sure what the right word is but “meh”.

    I have different views when it comes to the Americas
    vs Europe or China or Nigeria.

    Views on cultures and racial stuff varies.

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  • Are you sure that we’re not in a simulation universe, specifically that of a sitcom for aliens?

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    Additional evidence:

    https://twitter.com/sanscrayola/status/954575089688895489
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  • Even simpler than that, the essence of that they are trying ask is: “Am I a good person?”.

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  • OT:

    Interesting map on ICOs. Seems Europe is doing rather well, certainly on a per capita basis. ICOs are of course just one small part of the blockchain ecosystem that is growing, but contrary to AK’s skepticism on EE’s adoption of new technologies, our region seems to be doing well.

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    Fascinating, thanks.

    Blockchain is in its infancy so you have all sorts of unusual players cropping up. By "Europe" ofc we mean primarily Switzerland (one of the most successful and untypical European countries) and Estonia (one of the most successful and untypical E. European countries, whose government has taken an inordinate interest in the blockchain).

    That said, it is encouraging to see Russia and Poland have some notable presence there.
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  • [“That’s the aim of Pisa, to confront us with the real world, not the world of words and beautiful theory,” he said.]

    Satire is not so much dead as already dissolved in lime.

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  • In the USSR, getting a “red diploma” in university – the rough equivalent of a American summa cum laude – was contingent on acing the courses on scientific communism and similar crap.

    Define “acing”. But before you define it on the subject of which you have no idea about I’ll give you some info–you couldn’t have “threes” (“Cs”) as a bottom line and the question was in what grades you had on profile, that is professional, subjects of the course of study. Meanwhile, summa cum laude’ rough Soviet equivalent would have been Gold and Silver medals, not Red Diploma. summa cum laude’ altogether would be inapplicable since Soviet serious higher education which amounted to 6 full “Western” academic years was giving what would roughly be defined as Specialist—> Graduate degrees, which Bachelor’s is not. Summa cum laude occurs only for Bachelor’s level of education, which is essentially undergraduate 4-year study.

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  • @Mr. Hack

    I respect the values of people from different cultures.
    I value the opinions of people from different cultures.
    Immigrants should have the opportunity to continue their own customs and lifestyle.
     
    Is there something really evil, wicked, mean and nasty about these questions? I'm not for Somalis getting every single sort of government entitlement program imaginable (and not imaginable) like they do in Minnesota, but in general, aren't the values that these questions are probing for just plain old fashioned American virtues? BTW, doesn't Russia at least nominally try to project these same sorts of values for its Asian and Caucasian immigrants to the hinterlands?...

    The problem is that ranking values, which are subjective and somewhat vaguely defined (who’s to say openness is good, perhaps acting like a extremely nepotistic, clannish SOB is the right thing after all?) are put on the same level as actual, theoretical knowledge, which can be measured and ranked with a generally agreed upon standard.

    “Immigrants should have the opportunity to continue their own customs and lifestyle”, nothing ominous about this?

    It is a very weasely phrase, on one hand it can be presented for naïve whites as a “melting pot (with not so much melting) “-esque tolerance with the expectation that the foreigners will eventually assimilate, while on the other hand it provides the justification for the establishment and continuation of what are essentially foreign colonial extensions of the mother country.

    Also, if a country takes the test and gets a “bad” score or even a not full-blown pozzed result, do you think the multi-kulti agitation and propaganda organisations won’t find a way to agitate for more indoctrination and re-education “reforms” in the education system than there already is? Why on earth would we want to give them more ammunition?

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  • I respect the values of people from different cultures.
    I value the opinions of people from different cultures.
    Immigrants should have the opportunity to continue their own customs and lifestyle.

    Is there something really evil, wicked, mean and nasty about these questions? I’m not for Somalis getting every single sort of government entitlement program imaginable (and not imaginable) like they do in Minnesota, but in general, aren’t the values that these questions are probing for just plain old fashioned American virtues? BTW, doesn’t Russia at least nominally try to project these same sorts of values for its Asian and Caucasian immigrants to the hinterlands?…

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    The problem is that ranking values, which are subjective and somewhat vaguely defined (who's to say openness is good, perhaps acting like a extremely nepotistic, clannish SOB is the right thing after all?) are put on the same level as actual, theoretical knowledge, which can be measured and ranked with a generally agreed upon standard.

    "Immigrants should have the opportunity to continue their own customs and lifestyle", nothing ominous about this?

    It is a very weasely phrase, on one hand it can be presented for naïve whites as a "melting pot (with not so much melting) "-esque tolerance with the expectation that the foreigners will eventually assimilate, while on the other hand it provides the justification for the establishment and continuation of what are essentially foreign colonial extensions of the mother country.

    Also, if a country takes the test and gets a "bad" score or even a not full-blown pozzed result, do you think the multi-kulti agitation and propaganda organisations won't find a way to agitate for more indoctrination and re-education "reforms" in the education system than there already is? Why on earth would we want to give them more ammunition?
    , @Thorfinnsson

    but in general, aren’t the values that these questions are probing for just plain old fashioned American virtues?
     
    Absolutely not, cuck.

    Values and opinions of other cultures are only to be valued to the extent those cultures have merit. And even when they do have merit, one should always be biased in favor of one's own people and against nefarious foreigners.

    Immigrants who wish to continue their own customs and lifestyles should go home instead of parasitically leeching off our social capital.
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  • I believe ‘Neoliberalism’ refers to program of free-market economics and reductions in government spending. But the term is only used by critics – originally applied to ‘Pinochet’ in Chile.

    -

    Aside from ideological issues now being inserted, as a way to subtly insert the same cultural agenda universally, I am not sure this PISA test is competent.

    Reading the sample test, I cannot understand what this is supposed to be testing? – and there is no way it can be the same across different languages.

    (An old sample test)

    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/pisaproducts/Take%20the%20test%20e%20book.pdf

    The ‘maths’ paper has no maths in it!

    http://www.oecd.org/pisa/pisaproducts/pisa2012-2006-rel-items-maths-ENG.pdf

    It’s some kind of counting test.

    I guess this is a result of the fact of testing at age 15, which is not yet the age when many youth begin to be able to learn subjects.

    If they start testing at the higher education age – they might get more relevant results.

    -

    I think OECD is useful at is doing things like writing reports of local housing markets. Otherwise it seems to be another money scamming project, like many international bodies (UNESCO, etc).

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    I guess this is a result of the fact of testing at age 15, which is not yet the age when many youth begin to be able to learn subjects.
     
    Actually it's already past the age when many youth will ever be able to learn subjects.
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  • The big problem I see is that those questions are perfectly at home in an opinion survey, they have no place alongside the fact- and knowledge-based tests in reading, math and science. So they will be totaled along the other measures, and the news media will make alarming articles on how [insert country name here]‘s rankings are so low, thus urgent reforms are needed.

    Or, if the rank is high enough (i.e. higher than the USA), how great [insert country name here] is, how lucky we are and how everything is fine, so just keep on buying those million dollar crack houses.

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  • Western countries including England, the United States, Germany, France, Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland and Ireland have decided not to take the global competence test

    Was surprised over Germany and France in there. The US would have been surprising if the decision was taken during the Obama regime, but it doesn’t say exactly when the call was taken to be part of the pro-poz testing or not.

    Regardless, I’ll admit I don’t really get worked up by this as it is voluntary. Secondly, the West is in relative decline. I don’t see this kind of obsession in either China or India, which are the two main rising powers and whose preferences will increasingly shape the global policy direction.

    Finally, this whole thing kind of reminds me of the incessant attacks on the supposed evil of rote learning in the West. The best-performing kid Turns out in order to be creative you have to have a strong grasp on the fundamentals first. s are in North-East Asia where there is a strong emphasis on rote learning. Western conventional wisdom was in the opposite direction for decades and they paid the price for that.

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  • Results of PIRLS 2016 (4th Graders) have just come out (h/t Polish Perspective). The official website is somewhat of a pain to navigate, and there doesn't appear to be any single master report, but fortunately they left their root directory unblocked so you can just look at all the charts and Excel tables here: Unlike...
  • @Andrei Martyanov

    Mr. Martyanov, what you say about my country (the USA), which I dearly love, is unfortunately quite accurate.
     
    You might be surprised, but I too love America--not this glitzy gutless and exhibitionist urban facade of it--but what actually constitutes her real backbone--mostly white Christian background people some of whom are my dearest friends, some I would qualify as a first approximation of the remote relatives, despite having no family relations at all. I do NOT have schadenfreude moments when I see what is being done to a country today. I do, however, call it as I see it.

    I am a big hockey and baseball fan, but the amount of time that these parents allow their kids to waste watching sports, playing sports in the delusion that they will “go pro”, and simply worshipping African athletes, is destructive. And quite embarrassing, frankly.
     
    Agree 100%. The so called football cult in the US is revolting--apart from the game being, honestly, quite slow (bar some rare moments of action) it is absolutely despicable of white American males sublimating their masculinity by watching mostly semi-literate black dudes throwing the ball. They want to see real men--let them watch hockey and the fights there, those are the fights of angry white males and those guys know how to fight.

    Add in the overall absurd amount of time that many American parents allow their kids to waste watching TV, surfing the Net — especially sick porn and endless “social media” — and now (for those with the income) losing themselves in virtual reality. Horrifying. We have not had TV “service” in the house since our first child was born, and we will never have it again.
     
    Again, agree 100%.

    Therefore, even with all of Russia’s problems — and the apparent moderate difficulty of Russian for an English-speaker, relative to Germanic languages or certainly Romance languages — I’ve begun toying with the idea of encouraging them to learn Russian instead. Could it be wise to prepare them for a year of high school or even for a college career in Russia?
     
    I see absolutely nothing wrong in that. Paradoxically, America needs not warmongering Russophobic ideologues, who mostly populate the American "Russian Studies" field, but real scholars on Russia, people who not only speak Russian but have experience with very complex Russian life. This is one way to see it. Per colleges--there are, actually, very many westerners who study in Russian universities--both on-line and being physically in Russia. I think it will be a great experience, both academically and fun, to attend some good Russian schools from Moscow, St. Pete or Novosibirsk. One warning though--STEM, it is a very high level of teaching in Russia. But overall, I think it is a great idea, not to mention experiencing best Russian cities is simply a great life experience. Here is what Moscow State University says:

    https://www.msu.ru/en/admissions/

    Tuition wise it altogether (for American middle-class family) could be a great value of world-class (if not higher) education for a fraction of cost. I believe tuition for international students in MSU (without accommodation) comes down to something like $5000 a year.

    They want to see real men–let them watch hockey and the fights there, those are the fights of angry white males and those guys know how to fight.

    In that case, why not skip the facade of a game, and just watch actual fighting (well, as close to real fighting that is sanctioned) – mixed martial art?

    Those hockey players would get wrecked by those with real fighting skills.

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  • @RadicalCenter
    Mr. Martyanov, what you say about my country (the USA), which I dearly love, is unfortunately quite accurate. My mother was a "public-school" teacher for almost fifty years before retiring, and she can confirm the laziness, declining academic standards, and generally downward trends to which you refer (with, of course, commendable exceptions).

    I am a big hockey and baseball fan, but the amount of time that these parents allow their kids to waste watching sports, playing sports in the delusion that they will "go pro", and simply worshipping African athletes, is destructive. And quite embarrassing, frankly.

    Add in the overall absurd amount of time that many American parents allow their kids to waste watching TV, surfing the Net -- especially sick porn and endless "social media" -- and now (for those with the income) losing themselves in virtual reality. Horrifying. We have not had TV "service" in the house since our first child was born, and we will never have it again.

    My wife and I were considering encouraging our kids to spend a year or more of their high-school career in Germany, followed perhaps by university in Germany (they are learning German from a very young age) -- on the premise that perhaps German schools still offer more structure and discipline and demand actual hard work of their young people. But even if that had been true, the suddenly accelerating Third World takeover of that country has caused us to re-evaluate.

    Therefore, even with all of Russia's problems -- and the apparent moderate difficulty of Russian for an English-speaker, relative to Germanic languages or certainly Romance languages -- I've begun toying with the idea of encouraging them to learn Russian instead. Could it be wise to prepare them for a year of high school or even for a college career in Russia?

    Mr. Martyanov, what you say about my country (the USA), which I dearly love, is unfortunately quite accurate.

    You might be surprised, but I too love America–not this glitzy gutless and exhibitionist urban facade of it–but what actually constitutes her real backbone–mostly white Christian background people some of whom are my dearest friends, some I would qualify as a first approximation of the remote relatives, despite having no family relations at all. I do NOT have schadenfreude moments when I see what is being done to a country today. I do, however, call it as I see it.

    I am a big hockey and baseball fan, but the amount of time that these parents allow their kids to waste watching sports, playing sports in the delusion that they will “go pro”, and simply worshipping African athletes, is destructive. And quite embarrassing, frankly.

    Agree 100%. The so called football cult in the US is revolting–apart from the game being, honestly, quite slow (bar some rare moments of action) it is absolutely despicable of white American males sublimating their masculinity by watching mostly semi-literate black dudes throwing the ball. They want to see real men–let them watch hockey and the fights there, those are the fights of angry white males and those guys know how to fight.

    Add in the overall absurd amount of time that many American parents allow their kids to waste watching TV, surfing the Net — especially sick porn and endless “social media” — and now (for those with the income) losing themselves in virtual reality. Horrifying. We have not had TV “service” in the house since our first child was born, and we will never have it again.

    Again, agree 100%.

    Therefore, even with all of Russia’s problems — and the apparent moderate difficulty of Russian for an English-speaker, relative to Germanic languages or certainly Romance languages — I’ve begun toying with the idea of encouraging them to learn Russian instead. Could it be wise to prepare them for a year of high school or even for a college career in Russia?

    I see absolutely nothing wrong in that. Paradoxically, America needs not warmongering Russophobic ideologues, who mostly populate the American “Russian Studies” field, but real scholars on Russia, people who not only speak Russian but have experience with very complex Russian life. This is one way to see it. Per colleges–there are, actually, very many westerners who study in Russian universities–both on-line and being physically in Russia. I think it will be a great experience, both academically and fun, to attend some good Russian schools from Moscow, St. Pete or Novosibirsk. One warning though–STEM, it is a very high level of teaching in Russia. But overall, I think it is a great idea, not to mention experiencing best Russian cities is simply a great life experience. Here is what Moscow State University says:

    https://www.msu.ru/en/admissions/

    Tuition wise it altogether (for American middle-class family) could be a great value of world-class (if not higher) education for a fraction of cost. I believe tuition for international students in MSU (without accommodation) comes down to something like $5000 a year.

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    They want to see real men–let them watch hockey and the fights there, those are the fights of angry white males and those guys know how to fight.
     
    In that case, why not skip the facade of a game, and just watch actual fighting (well, as close to real fighting that is sanctioned) - mixed martial art?

    Those hockey players would get wrecked by those with real fighting skills.
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  • The PIRLS score for the ~10 yo seem to be a good predictor for the 15 yo PISA Read score,

    PISARead = +0.710741*PIRLS +106.259; # n=33; Rsq=0.5117; p=2.895e-06 ***

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2hp3fwi&s=9

    The problem of the relative age for the ~10 yo is more acute than that for the 15 yo. Using the procedure used in

    “Effect of relative age in the first grade of primary school on long‐term scholastic results: international comparative evidence using PISA 2003″ http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09645290802201961?src=recsys&journalCode=cede20

    though the author did not adjust the scores, the PIRLS score adjustment can be made with respect to the sample mean AvAge (though the regression equation is borderline not statistically significant),

    PIRLS = +45.9932*AvAge +48.7313; # n=48; Rsq=0.0771; p=0.05602

    AdjPIRLS = PIRLS – 45.9932*(AvAge-10.1396)

    PISARead = +0.926977*AdjPIRLS -7.45394; # n=33; Rsq=0.6252; p=4.373e-08 ***

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=24vo6mh&s=9

    the age adjusted regression can explain more of the variance and with higher statistical significant level at p=4.373e-08 .

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  • @RadicalCenter
    Mr. Martyanov, what you say about my country (the USA), which I dearly love, is unfortunately quite accurate. My mother was a "public-school" teacher for almost fifty years before retiring, and she can confirm the laziness, declining academic standards, and generally downward trends to which you refer (with, of course, commendable exceptions).

    I am a big hockey and baseball fan, but the amount of time that these parents allow their kids to waste watching sports, playing sports in the delusion that they will "go pro", and simply worshipping African athletes, is destructive. And quite embarrassing, frankly.

    Add in the overall absurd amount of time that many American parents allow their kids to waste watching TV, surfing the Net -- especially sick porn and endless "social media" -- and now (for those with the income) losing themselves in virtual reality. Horrifying. We have not had TV "service" in the house since our first child was born, and we will never have it again.

    My wife and I were considering encouraging our kids to spend a year or more of their high-school career in Germany, followed perhaps by university in Germany (they are learning German from a very young age) -- on the premise that perhaps German schools still offer more structure and discipline and demand actual hard work of their young people. But even if that had been true, the suddenly accelerating Third World takeover of that country has caused us to re-evaluate.

    Therefore, even with all of Russia's problems -- and the apparent moderate difficulty of Russian for an English-speaker, relative to Germanic languages or certainly Romance languages -- I've begun toying with the idea of encouraging them to learn Russian instead. Could it be wise to prepare them for a year of high school or even for a college career in Russia?

    on the premise that perhaps German schools still offer more structure and discipline and demand actual hard work of their young people.

    German school system is in decline just like the rest of the country, wherever the left is in power they’re doing their best to ruin it, their goal obviously being to abolish the three-tiered school system and replacing it with comprehensive schools…the predictable end result will be a general dumbing down of standards and everyone who can afford it sending their children to private schools, to get away from the proles (not least the violent ones of Turkish or Arab background). And in elementary schools children don’t even learn proper spelling anymore, because of some ridiculous fad called “Schreiben nach Gehör” where they’re encouraged in the first two or three years to write like they please…hard to correct later on.
    I guess schools in Bavaria still are better than in the leftie-infested parts of the country, but the overall trend is downwards there as well.

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    I’m SHOCKED to see that US did so well. To be in the top 20 – it just feels wrong.
     
    White American kids (10-18), considering a normal upbringing and nutrition, are in no way inferior to their white European counterparts. In other words--they can do it. It is a public school and IQ-based education which fails them utterly, plus many parents bear a direct responsibility for degrading American schools. It is a very bad situation, especially in a society which increasingly devalues a real productive labor and is obsessed with sports. In addition, US public education as a whole simply does not provide knowledge-based systemic education. By the age of 14-16 all those failures become more evident. ACT/SAT paradigm is a paradigm of a fraud but it is THE only paradigm modern America knows. There is a reason why so many "migrate" into humanities fields--they are much easier and do not require as much hard work (well, music on a good level being an exception--I don't mean high school orchestras--that is a sonic atrocity).

    Mr. Martyanov, what you say about my country (the USA), which I dearly love, is unfortunately quite accurate. My mother was a “public-school” teacher for almost fifty years before retiring, and she can confirm the laziness, declining academic standards, and generally downward trends to which you refer (with, of course, commendable exceptions).

    I am a big hockey and baseball fan, but the amount of time that these parents allow their kids to waste watching sports, playing sports in the delusion that they will “go pro”, and simply worshipping African athletes, is destructive. And quite embarrassing, frankly.

    Add in the overall absurd amount of time that many American parents allow their kids to waste watching TV, surfing the Net — especially sick porn and endless “social media” — and now (for those with the income) losing themselves in virtual reality. Horrifying. We have not had TV “service” in the house since our first child was born, and we will never have it again.

    My wife and I were considering encouraging our kids to spend a year or more of their high-school career in Germany, followed perhaps by university in Germany (they are learning German from a very young age) — on the premise that perhaps German schools still offer more structure and discipline and demand actual hard work of their young people. But even if that had been true, the suddenly accelerating Third World takeover of that country has caused us to re-evaluate.

    Therefore, even with all of Russia’s problems — and the apparent moderate difficulty of Russian for an English-speaker, relative to Germanic languages or certainly Romance languages — I’ve begun toying with the idea of encouraging them to learn Russian instead. Could it be wise to prepare them for a year of high school or even for a college career in Russia?

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    on the premise that perhaps German schools still offer more structure and discipline and demand actual hard work of their young people.
     
    German school system is in decline just like the rest of the country, wherever the left is in power they're doing their best to ruin it, their goal obviously being to abolish the three-tiered school system and replacing it with comprehensive schools...the predictable end result will be a general dumbing down of standards and everyone who can afford it sending their children to private schools, to get away from the proles (not least the violent ones of Turkish or Arab background). And in elementary schools children don't even learn proper spelling anymore, because of some ridiculous fad called "Schreiben nach Gehör" where they're encouraged in the first two or three years to write like they please...hard to correct later on.
    I guess schools in Bavaria still are better than in the leftie-infested parts of the country, but the overall trend is downwards there as well.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Mr. Martyanov, what you say about my country (the USA), which I dearly love, is unfortunately quite accurate.
     
    You might be surprised, but I too love America--not this glitzy gutless and exhibitionist urban facade of it--but what actually constitutes her real backbone--mostly white Christian background people some of whom are my dearest friends, some I would qualify as a first approximation of the remote relatives, despite having no family relations at all. I do NOT have schadenfreude moments when I see what is being done to a country today. I do, however, call it as I see it.

    I am a big hockey and baseball fan, but the amount of time that these parents allow their kids to waste watching sports, playing sports in the delusion that they will “go pro”, and simply worshipping African athletes, is destructive. And quite embarrassing, frankly.
     
    Agree 100%. The so called football cult in the US is revolting--apart from the game being, honestly, quite slow (bar some rare moments of action) it is absolutely despicable of white American males sublimating their masculinity by watching mostly semi-literate black dudes throwing the ball. They want to see real men--let them watch hockey and the fights there, those are the fights of angry white males and those guys know how to fight.

    Add in the overall absurd amount of time that many American parents allow their kids to waste watching TV, surfing the Net — especially sick porn and endless “social media” — and now (for those with the income) losing themselves in virtual reality. Horrifying. We have not had TV “service” in the house since our first child was born, and we will never have it again.
     
    Again, agree 100%.

    Therefore, even with all of Russia’s problems — and the apparent moderate difficulty of Russian for an English-speaker, relative to Germanic languages or certainly Romance languages — I’ve begun toying with the idea of encouraging them to learn Russian instead. Could it be wise to prepare them for a year of high school or even for a college career in Russia?
     
    I see absolutely nothing wrong in that. Paradoxically, America needs not warmongering Russophobic ideologues, who mostly populate the American "Russian Studies" field, but real scholars on Russia, people who not only speak Russian but have experience with very complex Russian life. This is one way to see it. Per colleges--there are, actually, very many westerners who study in Russian universities--both on-line and being physically in Russia. I think it will be a great experience, both academically and fun, to attend some good Russian schools from Moscow, St. Pete or Novosibirsk. One warning though--STEM, it is a very high level of teaching in Russia. But overall, I think it is a great idea, not to mention experiencing best Russian cities is simply a great life experience. Here is what Moscow State University says:

    https://www.msu.ru/en/admissions/

    Tuition wise it altogether (for American middle-class family) could be a great value of world-class (if not higher) education for a fraction of cost. I believe tuition for international students in MSU (without accommodation) comes down to something like $5000 a year.
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  • @Spisarevski
    Yes, migration is one of the crucial reasons. There was a study according to which 85% of Bulgarians with higher education aged 38 and below have left or are trying to leave the territory.

    Even though many migrants are ordinary workers and other not so bright people, a critical mass of competent Bulgarians (smart fraction?) has already left, sealing the doom of our continuous transformation into a third world country.

    The overall demographic catastrophe has secondary effects too - when a school class is 30% or more gypsies instead of 0-1 gypsies as it was in my time, the effect is not Bulgarians pulling the gypsies up, but the gypsies pulling Bulgarians down, proper teaching process becomes near impossible and the concentration of the students worsens, etc.

    And any time some school dares to make a "Bulgarian class" when organizing the new pupils, all the western-sponsored liberal media create a scandal about "discrimination".

    Expel the damn Roma already! (said the guy whose government is giving away our country to Mexican dimwits)

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  • @Felix Keverich

    White American kids (10-18), considering a normal upbringing and nutrition, are in no way inferior to their white European counterparts.
     
    I agree, but white kids should be close to a minority now, definitely a minority in a US public school system. They must have tested them in Iowa...

    They must have tested them in Iowa…

    Iowa kids do pretty well, but not nearly as well as kids in Mass. Where Iowa excels is in low variance.

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  • @anonymous coward

    An IQ=150 journo, assuming he is not too old, will find learning just about anything in STEM close to trivial
     
    False. People who hire STEM people know this stuff. Certain occupations (journalism, military, etc.) rot your brain and make you incapable of normal work regardless of your IQ.

    An IQ=120 STEM major, however, will almost certainly never become a great journo.
     
    Also demonstrably false, there's a shitload of STEM people who dowshift into journalism and other similar fields when they feel stressed out. They end up successful as journalists, but unfortunately it's a one-way street. You can't go back to a real job once you start letting yourself go. (See my first remark above.)

    Certain occupations (journalism, military, etc.) rot your brain and make you incapable of normal work regardless of your IQ.

    You don’t know that military officers of certain ranks and above are sought after by corporations as executives, do you?

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  • @Felix Keverich

    White American kids (10-18), considering a normal upbringing and nutrition, are in no way inferior to their white European counterparts.
     
    I agree, but white kids should be close to a minority now, definitely a minority in a US public school system. They must have tested them in Iowa...

    They must have tested them in Iowa…

    You probably know that “good schools” identifier in communities’ descriptions all over the US, especially in real estate markets, is a euphemism for “No blacks, few minorities”? I worked with number of Hindu school kids some years ago (17 +)–I essentially taught them what is called “advanced physics course” (generally a course for the freshman year in university for STEM departments), all girls, extremely good, actually. But then again, they were enormously inquisitive and some sessions evolved into the broad reviews of fundamentals, which are, of course, are simply not taught in public schools. There should be no surprise then that some Hindu, Russian etc. communities have own after hours schools which are titled “Russian Math School” etc. In case with Hindu girls–they were all aiming really high, from doctors degrees to pure R&D. And yes, they were good, but so was another girl, WASP–absolutely brilliant child not even in a sense of intelligence, it was obviously there, but in a sense of a rational, I would say very cultured approach to lessons. It is a very pleasant thing to sense this kind of good human pivot in child at this age. What was common in them besides intelligence? They worked hard, they knew it wasn’t for fun.

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    I’m SHOCKED to see that US did so well. To be in the top 20 – it just feels wrong.
     
    White American kids (10-18), considering a normal upbringing and nutrition, are in no way inferior to their white European counterparts. In other words--they can do it. It is a public school and IQ-based education which fails them utterly, plus many parents bear a direct responsibility for degrading American schools. It is a very bad situation, especially in a society which increasingly devalues a real productive labor and is obsessed with sports. In addition, US public education as a whole simply does not provide knowledge-based systemic education. By the age of 14-16 all those failures become more evident. ACT/SAT paradigm is a paradigm of a fraud but it is THE only paradigm modern America knows. There is a reason why so many "migrate" into humanities fields--they are much easier and do not require as much hard work (well, music on a good level being an exception--I don't mean high school orchestras--that is a sonic atrocity).

    White American kids (10-18), considering a normal upbringing and nutrition, are in no way inferior to their white European counterparts.

    I agree, but white kids should be close to a minority now, definitely a minority in a US public school system. They must have tested them in Iowa…

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    They must have tested them in Iowa…
     
    You probably know that "good schools" identifier in communities' descriptions all over the US, especially in real estate markets, is a euphemism for "No blacks, few minorities"? I worked with number of Hindu school kids some years ago (17 +)--I essentially taught them what is called "advanced physics course" (generally a course for the freshman year in university for STEM departments), all girls, extremely good, actually. But then again, they were enormously inquisitive and some sessions evolved into the broad reviews of fundamentals, which are, of course, are simply not taught in public schools. There should be no surprise then that some Hindu, Russian etc. communities have own after hours schools which are titled "Russian Math School" etc. In case with Hindu girls--they were all aiming really high, from doctors degrees to pure R&D. And yes, they were good, but so was another girl, WASP--absolutely brilliant child not even in a sense of intelligence, it was obviously there, but in a sense of a rational, I would say very cultured approach to lessons. It is a very pleasant thing to sense this kind of good human pivot in child at this age. What was common in them besides intelligence? They worked hard, they knew it wasn't for fun.
    , @Twinkie

    They must have tested them in Iowa…
     
    Iowa kids do pretty well, but not nearly as well as kids in Mass. Where Iowa excels is in low variance.
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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    Agreed with all of this.

    I think East Europeans do much better relative to PISA mostly on account of (1) being older than the other tested nations (see here); (2) more traditional schooling methods.

    South Africa's GDP per capita (PPP, constant dollars) is stagnating, not so much declining. Just goes to show the power of smart fractions, even steadily diminishing ones in a deteriorating institutional environment.

    On South Africa, I guess it’s a question of definition. They have had 2 years of back-to-back declines in GDP per capita. Their current growth thus far in 2017 doesn’t show any improvement(defined as growth higher than population increase), meaning it will be a third year in a row that their income per capita declines. When is it blip and when does it become structural?

    https://tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/gdp-growth-annual

    Keep in mind that their population growth, according to the world bank, is 1.62% per annum and rising. The IMF also forecasts their growth to remain below their population growth in 2018 and 2019 too. They would be looking at five straight years of GDP/capita declines. That, to me, is less of a stagnation and more of a structural decline. To be fair, the IMF then forecasts them to go up to 2.2% or so in the outer years but the IMF has long been accused(and for good reason) for being overtly optimistic and then having to revise downwards their projections.

    The only exception to this permanent optimistic bias seems to be EE countries, interestingly enough. Russia is the most obvious case, but their forecasts on Poland have also been consistently bearish for a number of years, which is amusing. (My speculation is because they are fundamentally wedded to the neoliberal orthodoxy, and as such when they think “demographics” they only conceive of quantity and not quality. So a country like Greece receiving massive amounts of refugees is a net positive in their eyes, because, well ‘demographics’. IQ doesn’t enter their realm of thinking. This is one of many diseases of neoliberal economics, but I disgress).

    Also, speaking of Russia, your GDP decline in 2014 was partly for the same reason as them (commodities), but it was also compounded by the 2014 war in Ukraine and the economic fallout that followed, sanctions etc. You’re already recovering, however modestly. You’re also in a region which isn’t growing that quickly, at least if we think of the fact that Russia economic and political center is in the Western/European side of the country.

    What excuse does SA have? Sub-Saharan Africa isn’t doing as badly as many think when you look at the numbers. It’s not the 1990s anymore. Institutional quality has increased. 2017 shapes up to be the best year in world growth since 2010 and they can’t even breach 1%. Doesn’t seem to me to be a recipe for mere stagnation but outright decline. And even if I am wrong, they’ll still do 5 straight years of declining GDP per capita if IMF (notoriously optimistic on Africa) is correct and end up lower than they were in 2008 by 2018. That is a lost decade by any realistic measurement.

    It doesn’t seem too likely that they’ll recover it in the next either, as the ruling party went from Mandela to a typical African corrupt dictator like Zuma. The guy who is more likely to seize power after Zuma is the Mugage-wannabe Malema. SA is a strong candidate to become the next Venezuela.

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  • @Felix Keverich
    I'm SHOCKED to see that US did so well. To be in the top 20 - it just feels wrong. :)

    Also, I'm seeing a noticable improvement in Russian test scores since 2001, and it's not at all clear where it came from.

    I’m SHOCKED to see that US did so well. To be in the top 20 – it just feels wrong.

    White American kids (10-18), considering a normal upbringing and nutrition, are in no way inferior to their white European counterparts. In other words–they can do it. It is a public school and IQ-based education which fails them utterly, plus many parents bear a direct responsibility for degrading American schools. It is a very bad situation, especially in a society which increasingly devalues a real productive labor and is obsessed with sports. In addition, US public education as a whole simply does not provide knowledge-based systemic education. By the age of 14-16 all those failures become more evident. ACT/SAT paradigm is a paradigm of a fraud but it is THE only paradigm modern America knows. There is a reason why so many “migrate” into humanities fields–they are much easier and do not require as much hard work (well, music on a good level being an exception–I don’t mean high school orchestras–that is a sonic atrocity).

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    White American kids (10-18), considering a normal upbringing and nutrition, are in no way inferior to their white European counterparts.
     
    I agree, but white kids should be close to a minority now, definitely a minority in a US public school system. They must have tested them in Iowa...
    , @RadicalCenter
    Mr. Martyanov, what you say about my country (the USA), which I dearly love, is unfortunately quite accurate. My mother was a "public-school" teacher for almost fifty years before retiring, and she can confirm the laziness, declining academic standards, and generally downward trends to which you refer (with, of course, commendable exceptions).

    I am a big hockey and baseball fan, but the amount of time that these parents allow their kids to waste watching sports, playing sports in the delusion that they will "go pro", and simply worshipping African athletes, is destructive. And quite embarrassing, frankly.

    Add in the overall absurd amount of time that many American parents allow their kids to waste watching TV, surfing the Net -- especially sick porn and endless "social media" -- and now (for those with the income) losing themselves in virtual reality. Horrifying. We have not had TV "service" in the house since our first child was born, and we will never have it again.

    My wife and I were considering encouraging our kids to spend a year or more of their high-school career in Germany, followed perhaps by university in Germany (they are learning German from a very young age) -- on the premise that perhaps German schools still offer more structure and discipline and demand actual hard work of their young people. But even if that had been true, the suddenly accelerating Third World takeover of that country has caused us to re-evaluate.

    Therefore, even with all of Russia's problems -- and the apparent moderate difficulty of Russian for an English-speaker, relative to Germanic languages or certainly Romance languages -- I've begun toying with the idea of encouraging them to learn Russian instead. Could it be wise to prepare them for a year of high school or even for a college career in Russia?

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    that would improve scientific processing may damage other aspects of informational processing(working memory and creativity may be inversely related, for example).
     
    Examples of Leo Tolstoy, an artillery officer, or Dostoevsky--a degree in fortification (military engineering)--can certainly present examples to the contrary. Tolstoy ended writing math books for kids. Dr. Michio Kaku (or Brian Green, or even Stephen Hawking) are great writers apart from being great scientists. Arthur Clarke was a bona fide scientist apart from being a monstrously important writer. Asimov was first-class chemist and biochemist and the list is long. So, let's put it this way--your point is at least debatable.

    Its just speculation – but speculation from studies:

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0023175&type=printable

    Training working memory (WM) improves performance on untrained cognitive tasks and alters functional activity. However,
    WM training’s effects on gray matter morphology and a wide range of cognitive tasks are still unknown. We investigated
    this issue using voxel-based morphometry (VBM), various psychological measures, such as non-trained WM tasks and a
    creativity task, and intensive adaptive training of WM using mental calculations (IATWMMC), all of which are typical WM
    tasks. IATWMMC was associated with reduced regional gray matter volume in the bilateral fronto-parietal regions and the
    left superior temporal gyrus. It improved verbal letter span and complex arithmetic ability, but deteriorated creativity. These
    results confirm the training-induced plasticity in psychological mechanisms and the plasticity of gray matter structures in
    regions that have been assumed to be under strong genetic control.

    Probably much weaker, but still worth noting – working memory was found to be negatively correlated with creativity in ADHD children in a study by C. Matthew Fugate, etc…

    Also, despite their reduced working memory, 53% of the academically advanced students with ADHD characteristics scored at or above the 70th percentile on the creativity index…the poorer the working memory, the higher the creativity.

    That said, its all pretty nascent and I’ve speculated if some of this “creativity” is misinterpreted or overemphasized by the tests used for divergent thinking(but not convergent part of creativity) triggered, for example, from LSD use: highly uninhibited, but not very useful and unmoored in reality.

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  • @Daniel Chieh
    IQ is BS is too strong, but it does seem that intelligence as we understand it is heavily involved with stronger inhibitory systems that permit the grasp of relevant information while blocking out irrelevant information. Since there does appear to be some transfer effects from certain types of skills training, its possible that STEM training leads to neurological effects that improve the acquisition of related knowledge.

    I'm not as eager to as to claim that STEM people make great journalists later, because there is some evidence that aspects of information processing that would improve scientific processing may damage other aspects of informational processing(working memory and creativity may be inversely related, for example).

    that would improve scientific processing may damage other aspects of informational processing(working memory and creativity may be inversely related, for example).

    Examples of Leo Tolstoy, an artillery officer, or Dostoevsky–a degree in fortification (military engineering)–can certainly present examples to the contrary. Tolstoy ended writing math books for kids. Dr. Michio Kaku (or Brian Green, or even Stephen Hawking) are great writers apart from being great scientists. Arthur Clarke was a bona fide scientist apart from being a monstrously important writer. Asimov was first-class chemist and biochemist and the list is long. So, let’s put it this way–your point is at least debatable.

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    Its just speculation - but speculation from studies:

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0023175&type=printable


    Training working memory (WM) improves performance on untrained cognitive tasks and alters functional activity. However,
    WM training’s effects on gray matter morphology and a wide range of cognitive tasks are still unknown. We investigated
    this issue using voxel-based morphometry (VBM), various psychological measures, such as non-trained WM tasks and a
    creativity task, and intensive adaptive training of WM using mental calculations (IATWMMC), all of which are typical WM
    tasks. IATWMMC was associated with reduced regional gray matter volume in the bilateral fronto-parietal regions and the
    left superior temporal gyrus. It improved verbal letter span and complex arithmetic ability, but deteriorated creativity. These
    results confirm the training-induced plasticity in psychological mechanisms and the plasticity of gray matter structures in
    regions that have been assumed to be under strong genetic control.
     
    Probably much weaker, but still worth noting - working memory was found to be negatively correlated with creativity in ADHD children in a study by C. Matthew Fugate, etc...

    Also, despite their reduced working memory, 53% of the academically advanced students with ADHD characteristics scored at or above the 70th percentile on the creativity index...the poorer the working memory, the higher the creativity.
     

    That said, its all pretty nascent and I've speculated if some of this "creativity" is misinterpreted or overemphasized by the tests used for divergent thinking(but not convergent part of creativity) triggered, for example, from LSD use: highly uninhibited, but not very useful and unmoored in reality.
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  • I’m SHOCKED to see that US did so well. To be in the top 20 – it just feels wrong. :)

    Also, I’m seeing a noticable improvement in Russian test scores since 2001, and it’s not at all clear where it came from.

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    I’m SHOCKED to see that US did so well. To be in the top 20 – it just feels wrong.
     
    White American kids (10-18), considering a normal upbringing and nutrition, are in no way inferior to their white European counterparts. In other words--they can do it. It is a public school and IQ-based education which fails them utterly, plus many parents bear a direct responsibility for degrading American schools. It is a very bad situation, especially in a society which increasingly devalues a real productive labor and is obsessed with sports. In addition, US public education as a whole simply does not provide knowledge-based systemic education. By the age of 14-16 all those failures become more evident. ACT/SAT paradigm is a paradigm of a fraud but it is THE only paradigm modern America knows. There is a reason why so many "migrate" into humanities fields--they are much easier and do not require as much hard work (well, music on a good level being an exception--I don't mean high school orchestras--that is a sonic atrocity).
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  • @Anon
    I agree with you of course that training matters, our American schools are getting worse too, but "IQ is BS" is probably too strong. And again fwiw these are only 4th graders, hardly anybody specializes at that age.

    IQ is BS is too strong, but it does seem that intelligence as we understand it is heavily involved with stronger inhibitory systems that permit the grasp of relevant information while blocking out irrelevant information. Since there does appear to be some transfer effects from certain types of skills training, its possible that STEM training leads to neurological effects that improve the acquisition of related knowledge.

    I’m not as eager to as to claim that STEM people make great journalists later, because there is some evidence that aspects of information processing that would improve scientific processing may damage other aspects of informational processing(working memory and creativity may be inversely related, for example).

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    that would improve scientific processing may damage other aspects of informational processing(working memory and creativity may be inversely related, for example).
     
    Examples of Leo Tolstoy, an artillery officer, or Dostoevsky--a degree in fortification (military engineering)--can certainly present examples to the contrary. Tolstoy ended writing math books for kids. Dr. Michio Kaku (or Brian Green, or even Stephen Hawking) are great writers apart from being great scientists. Arthur Clarke was a bona fide scientist apart from being a monstrously important writer. Asimov was first-class chemist and biochemist and the list is long. So, let's put it this way--your point is at least debatable.
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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    This test is 4th grade, they’re not teaching trig, or at least they weren’t teaching me trig. Any slight academic advantages at this level are really going to be negligible.
     
    True, but to a degree. 4th grade is precisely the age when foundation for a good counting and numbers' handling is laid. It matters great deal down the road.

    This is true, I agree. I don’t think though any of the high-scoring nations here have enough of a deficit there to make a significant difference.

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  • @Anon
    This test is 4th grade, they're not teaching trig, or at least they weren't teaching me trig. Any slight academic advantages at this level are really going to be negligible.

    This test is 4th grade, they’re not teaching trig, or at least they weren’t teaching me trig. Any slight academic advantages at this level are really going to be negligible.

    True, but to a degree. 4th grade is precisely the age when foundation for a good counting and numbers’ handling is laid. It matters great deal down the road.

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    This is true, I agree. I don't think though any of the high-scoring nations here have enough of a deficit there to make a significant difference.
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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    With intelligence, you can learn STEM; with knowledge of STEM, you can’t do anything interesting with it unless you have intelligence.
     
    Well, it is kinda self-evident that studying STEM on any serious professional level requires some degree of intelligence.

    An IQ=150 journo, assuming he is not too old, will find learning just about anything in STEM close to trivial (though why would he want to?
     
    Another LOL. You see, Anatoly, unlike you I have both second and first hand experience with both training of personnel and STEM education and I, actually, taught students, including close to your age, and.... drum roll with IQs through the roof. One of (out of very many I taught) them right now has two advanced graduate degrees (one, engineering, from WUSL) and started to work years ago for Musk --I taught him full time and it wasn't easy at all. I also taught the kid who graduated Embry Riddle and then went into ROTC and became a... well. Incredibly high IQ. He also wrote a superb sci-fi literature. Well, guess what--for all his IQ-130+ it was a struggle. I have truck loads of those examples. Sorry, but you don't know what are you talking about. IQ is no substitution to abstract thinking and a serious fundamental and, what is even more important, systemic knowledge, and be this hypothetical journo with whatever IQ I can guarantee you that he would blow his brains out on the issue of serious theoretical mechanics or quantum physics, or weapons design etc. How do I know this? I studied with people who were certifiable geniuses but even at some point of time they had to invest themselves completely with a huge effort to deal with the complex academic issues precisely in STEM. It was not easy, and those people, unlike journos, had a massive (it was a requirement) STEM backgrounds. Some, later went to work in R&D (Institutes), some are Ph.Ds others... well, that is irrelevant. Without serious background--all this IQ is BS.

    I agree with you of course that training matters, our American schools are getting worse too, but “IQ is BS” is probably too strong. And again fwiw these are only 4th graders, hardly anybody specializes at that age.

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    IQ is BS is too strong, but it does seem that intelligence as we understand it is heavily involved with stronger inhibitory systems that permit the grasp of relevant information while blocking out irrelevant information. Since there does appear to be some transfer effects from certain types of skills training, its possible that STEM training leads to neurological effects that improve the acquisition of related knowledge.

    I'm not as eager to as to claim that STEM people make great journalists later, because there is some evidence that aspects of information processing that would improve scientific processing may damage other aspects of informational processing(working memory and creativity may be inversely related, for example).

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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    Learning to do a free-body diagram takes c. 15 minutes.
     
    Try to teach it in 15 minutes to a student who has no clue what vector is. I can also, theoretically, teach to find a derivative of polynomial function in 15 minutes pretty much anyone. Will they know differentiation after that? No. Same with free body diagram. But sure, try after 15 minutes to teach how to calculate Resultant and how to resolve vectors for people with even basic trigonometry course behind their belt and with people who do not have one. Same type of an example.

    This test is 4th grade, they’re not teaching trig, or at least they weren’t teaching me trig. Any slight academic advantages at this level are really going to be negligible.

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    This test is 4th grade, they’re not teaching trig, or at least they weren’t teaching me trig. Any slight academic advantages at this level are really going to be negligible.
     
    True, but to a degree. 4th grade is precisely the age when foundation for a good counting and numbers' handling is laid. It matters great deal down the road.
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  • @Spisarevski
    The relatively high results of Bulgaria on this test casts a huge doubt on the whole thing imo.

    More than 40% of the students tested in PISA last year were "functionally illiterate" i.e. incapable of reading comprehension and we were dead last in the EU on almost all subjects. That was 9th graders, but the situation with 4th-graders should be worse, considering the ever increasing proportion of gypsies among them, although even among ethnic Bulgarians things are visibly worse with each generation (anecdotal observation, but one that is shared but every single teacher I know).

    Note though that Bulgaria, like most of the tested East European countries, are 10.8 years old – 1/2 a year to a year older than otherwise typical.

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  • @Polish Perspective
    Looking at the list, for those countries who have been in PRILS for 3 or 4 survey rounds, their results are mostly quite stable from survey to survey, not really fluctuating that much. That is a good sign, because if the scores were swinging too wildly from round to round, you wouldn't take these results too seriously. What stands out for me is the relative improvement of Slovenia, which went from middling to quite decent and of course Russia.

    I believe PISA is a better test for native IQ, since it is more G-loaded, but PIRLS/TIMMS is perhaps a better measurement of the relative efficacy of the education system. Of course, even with a good education system, you still need good students. So I wouldn't bend over backwards trying to deny that at least some of the performance is related to intelligence of the students, though the question is to what extent. After all, the people at the bottom are those who you'd expect. At the top, it is mostly East Asian and East Europeans with a few strong Western countries thrown in. Italy was a surprise to me.

    Looking at South Africa, I'm surprised that they still have a relatively high GDP per capita (in nominal terms), though I'm aware that their GDP growth in the last 5 years have been lower than their population growth, meaning their per capita income is declining on a structural basis. Goes to show how much the white and Asian minorities(mostly Indian) prop up that country, at least in the private sector.

    The Gulf countries also don't have a bright future once the shift to EVs becomes mainstream in the early- to mid-2020s. Saudi Arabia already struggles greatly, with massive budget deficits and low growth. I wonder when the 8th grade results will come out. Those rankings are probably going to be more rigorous given that by then, native intelligence is much closer to what you'll get as an adult.

    Agreed with all of this.

    I think East Europeans do much better relative to PISA mostly on account of (1) being older than the other tested nations (see here); (2) more traditional schooling methods.

    South Africa’s GDP per capita (PPP, constant dollars) is stagnating, not so much declining. Just goes to show the power of smart fractions, even steadily diminishing ones in a deteriorating institutional environment.

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    On South Africa, I guess it's a question of definition. They have had 2 years of back-to-back declines in GDP per capita. Their current growth thus far in 2017 doesn't show any improvement(defined as growth higher than population increase), meaning it will be a third year in a row that their income per capita declines. When is it blip and when does it become structural?

    https://tradingeconomics.com/south-africa/gdp-growth-annual

    Keep in mind that their population growth, according to the world bank, is 1.62% per annum and rising. The IMF also forecasts their growth to remain below their population growth in 2018 and 2019 too. They would be looking at five straight years of GDP/capita declines. That, to me, is less of a stagnation and more of a structural decline. To be fair, the IMF then forecasts them to go up to 2.2% or so in the outer years but the IMF has long been accused(and for good reason) for being overtly optimistic and then having to revise downwards their projections.

    The only exception to this permanent optimistic bias seems to be EE countries, interestingly enough. Russia is the most obvious case, but their forecasts on Poland have also been consistently bearish for a number of years, which is amusing. (My speculation is because they are fundamentally wedded to the neoliberal orthodoxy, and as such when they think "demographics" they only conceive of quantity and not quality. So a country like Greece receiving massive amounts of refugees is a net positive in their eyes, because, well 'demographics'. IQ doesn't enter their realm of thinking. This is one of many diseases of neoliberal economics, but I disgress).

    Also, speaking of Russia, your GDP decline in 2014 was partly for the same reason as them (commodities), but it was also compounded by the 2014 war in Ukraine and the economic fallout that followed, sanctions etc. You're already recovering, however modestly. You're also in a region which isn't growing that quickly, at least if we think of the fact that Russia economic and political center is in the Western/European side of the country.

    What excuse does SA have? Sub-Saharan Africa isn't doing as badly as many think when you look at the numbers. It's not the 1990s anymore. Institutional quality has increased. 2017 shapes up to be the best year in world growth since 2010 and they can't even breach 1%. Doesn't seem to me to be a recipe for mere stagnation but outright decline. And even if I am wrong, they'll still do 5 straight years of declining GDP per capita if IMF (notoriously optimistic on Africa) is correct and end up lower than they were in 2008 by 2018. That is a lost decade by any realistic measurement.

    It doesn't seem too likely that they'll recover it in the next either, as the ruling party went from Mandela to a typical African corrupt dictator like Zuma. The guy who is more likely to seize power after Zuma is the Mugage-wannabe Malema. SA is a strong candidate to become the next Venezuela.

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  • @anonymous coward

    An IQ=150 journo, assuming he is not too old, will find learning just about anything in STEM close to trivial
     
    False. People who hire STEM people know this stuff. Certain occupations (journalism, military, etc.) rot your brain and make you incapable of normal work regardless of your IQ.

    An IQ=120 STEM major, however, will almost certainly never become a great journo.
     
    Also demonstrably false, there's a shitload of STEM people who dowshift into journalism and other similar fields when they feel stressed out. They end up successful as journalists, but unfortunately it's a one-way street. You can't go back to a real job once you start letting yourself go. (See my first remark above.)

    military, etc

    Not R&D and hi-tech warfare. Also goes for Command and Control. CO of, say, modern submarine or ships and most of officers there will have no difficulty transitioning to engineering fields in civilian sector. In fact, very many did. But, I assume, you are a bit misinformed on military and what it does and how it prepares its command cadres.

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  • @Mitleser
    Why does the ethnic Bulgarian population decline in this area?
    Have too many of the "best and brightest" left the country?

    Yes, migration is one of the crucial reasons. There was a study according to which 85% of Bulgarians with higher education aged 38 and below have left or are trying to leave the territory.

    Even though many migrants are ordinary workers and other not so bright people, a critical mass of competent Bulgarians (smart fraction?) has already left, sealing the doom of our continuous transformation into a third world country.

    The overall demographic catastrophe has secondary effects too – when a school class is 30% or more gypsies instead of 0-1 gypsies as it was in my time, the effect is not Bulgarians pulling the gypsies up, but the gypsies pulling Bulgarians down, proper teaching process becomes near impossible and the concentration of the students worsens, etc.

    And any time some school dares to make a “Bulgarian class” when organizing the new pupils, all the western-sponsored liberal media create a scandal about “discrimination”.

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    Expel the damn Roma already! (said the guy whose government is giving away our country to Mexican dimwits)
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  • @Spisarevski
    The relatively high results of Bulgaria on this test casts a huge doubt on the whole thing imo.

    More than 40% of the students tested in PISA last year were "functionally illiterate" i.e. incapable of reading comprehension and we were dead last in the EU on almost all subjects. That was 9th graders, but the situation with 4th-graders should be worse, considering the ever increasing proportion of gypsies among them, although even among ethnic Bulgarians things are visibly worse with each generation (anecdotal observation, but one that is shared but every single teacher I know).

    Why does the ethnic Bulgarian population decline in this area?
    Have too many of the “best and brightest” left the country?

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    Yes, migration is one of the crucial reasons. There was a study according to which 85% of Bulgarians with higher education aged 38 and below have left or are trying to leave the territory.

    Even though many migrants are ordinary workers and other not so bright people, a critical mass of competent Bulgarians (smart fraction?) has already left, sealing the doom of our continuous transformation into a third world country.

    The overall demographic catastrophe has secondary effects too - when a school class is 30% or more gypsies instead of 0-1 gypsies as it was in my time, the effect is not Bulgarians pulling the gypsies up, but the gypsies pulling Bulgarians down, proper teaching process becomes near impossible and the concentration of the students worsens, etc.

    And any time some school dares to make a "Bulgarian class" when organizing the new pupils, all the western-sponsored liberal media create a scandal about "discrimination".

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  • The relatively high results of Bulgaria on this test casts a huge doubt on the whole thing imo.

    More than 40% of the students tested in PISA last year were “functionally illiterate” i.e. incapable of reading comprehension and we were dead last in the EU on almost all subjects. That was 9th graders, but the situation with 4th-graders should be worse, considering the ever increasing proportion of gypsies among them, although even among ethnic Bulgarians things are visibly worse with each generation (anecdotal observation, but one that is shared but every single teacher I know).

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    Why does the ethnic Bulgarian population decline in this area?
    Have too many of the "best and brightest" left the country?
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Note though that Bulgaria, like most of the tested East European countries, are 10.8 years old - 1/2 a year to a year older than otherwise typical.
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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    With intelligence, you can learn STEM; with knowledge of STEM, you can't do anything interesting with it unless you have intelligence.

    An IQ=150 journo, assuming he is not too old, will find learning just about anything in STEM close to trivial (though why would he want to?). An IQ=120 STEM major, however, will almost certainly never become a great journo.

    An IQ=150 journo, assuming he is not too old, will find learning just about anything in STEM close to trivial

    False. People who hire STEM people know this stuff. Certain occupations (journalism, military, etc.) rot your brain and make you incapable of normal work regardless of your IQ.

    An IQ=120 STEM major, however, will almost certainly never become a great journo.

    Also demonstrably false, there’s a shitload of STEM people who dowshift into journalism and other similar fields when they feel stressed out. They end up successful as journalists, but unfortunately it’s a one-way street. You can’t go back to a real job once you start letting yourself go. (See my first remark above.)

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    military, etc
     
    Not R&D and hi-tech warfare. Also goes for Command and Control. CO of, say, modern submarine or ships and most of officers there will have no difficulty transitioning to engineering fields in civilian sector. In fact, very many did. But, I assume, you are a bit misinformed on military and what it does and how it prepares its command cadres.
    , @Twinkie

    Certain occupations (journalism, military, etc.) rot your brain and make you incapable of normal work regardless of your IQ.
     
    You don't know that military officers of certain ranks and above are sought after by corporations as executives, do you?
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  • Looking at the list, for those countries who have been in PRILS for 3 or 4 survey rounds, their results are mostly quite stable from survey to survey, not really fluctuating that much. That is a good sign, because if the scores were swinging too wildly from round to round, you wouldn’t take these results too seriously. What stands out for me is the relative improvement of Slovenia, which went from middling to quite decent and of course Russia.

    I believe PISA is a better test for native IQ, since it is more G-loaded, but PIRLS/TIMMS is perhaps a better measurement of the relative efficacy of the education system. Of course, even with a good education system, you still need good students. So I wouldn’t bend over backwards trying to deny that at least some of the performance is related to intelligence of the students, though the question is to what extent. After all, the people at the bottom are those who you’d expect. At the top, it is mostly East Asian and East Europeans with a few strong Western countries thrown in. Italy was a surprise to me.

    Looking at South Africa, I’m surprised that they still have a relatively high GDP per capita (in nominal terms), though I’m aware that their GDP growth in the last 5 years have been lower than their population growth, meaning their per capita income is declining on a structural basis. Goes to show how much the white and Asian minorities(mostly Indian) prop up that country, at least in the private sector.

    The Gulf countries also don’t have a bright future once the shift to EVs becomes mainstream in the early- to mid-2020s. Saudi Arabia already struggles greatly, with massive budget deficits and low growth. I wonder when the 8th grade results will come out. Those rankings are probably going to be more rigorous given that by then, native intelligence is much closer to what you’ll get as an adult.

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    Agreed with all of this.

    I think East Europeans do much better relative to PISA mostly on account of (1) being older than the other tested nations (see here); (2) more traditional schooling methods.

    South Africa's GDP per capita (PPP, constant dollars) is stagnating, not so much declining. Just goes to show the power of smart fractions, even steadily diminishing ones in a deteriorating institutional environment.
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  • What, no Japan and no South Korea?

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  • The S.D. is the usual 100 points.

    Why? Where does it come from?

    AK: Linked within the text.

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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    With intelligence, you can learn STEM; with knowledge of STEM, you can't do anything interesting with it unless you have intelligence.

    An IQ=150 journo, assuming he is not too old, will find learning just about anything in STEM close to trivial (though why would he want to?). An IQ=120 STEM major, however, will almost certainly never become a great journo.

    With intelligence, you can learn STEM; with knowledge of STEM, you can’t do anything interesting with it unless you have intelligence.

    Well, it is kinda self-evident that studying STEM on any serious professional level requires some degree of intelligence.

    An IQ=150 journo, assuming he is not too old, will find learning just about anything in STEM close to trivial (though why would he want to?

    Another LOL. You see, Anatoly, unlike you I have both second and first hand experience with both training of personnel and STEM education and I, actually, taught students, including close to your age, and…. drum roll with IQs through the roof. One of (out of very many I taught) them right now has two advanced graduate degrees (one, engineering, from WUSL) and started to work years ago for Musk –I taught him full time and it wasn’t easy at all. I also taught the kid who graduated Embry Riddle and then went into ROTC and became a… well. Incredibly high IQ. He also wrote a superb sci-fi literature. Well, guess what–for all his IQ-130+ it was a struggle. I have truck loads of those examples. Sorry, but you don’t know what are you talking about. IQ is no substitution to abstract thinking and a serious fundamental and, what is even more important, systemic knowledge, and be this hypothetical journo with whatever IQ I can guarantee you that he would blow his brains out on the issue of serious theoretical mechanics or quantum physics, or weapons design etc. How do I know this? I studied with people who were certifiable geniuses but even at some point of time they had to invest themselves completely with a huge effort to deal with the complex academic issues precisely in STEM. It was not easy, and those people, unlike journos, had a massive (it was a requirement) STEM backgrounds. Some, later went to work in R&D (Institutes), some are Ph.Ds others… well, that is irrelevant. Without serious background–all this IQ is BS.

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    I agree with you of course that training matters, our American schools are getting worse too, but "IQ is BS" is probably too strong. And again fwiw these are only 4th graders, hardly anybody specializes at that age.
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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    TIMSS/PIRLS is more of a specifically academic test than an IQ test.
     
    LOL, that is the only thing which matters, especially in STEM, not some ACT/SAT BS on "reasoning". The kid, student, adult, engineer, designer (ascending order) with IQ=105 and who knows how to draw the free body diagram will do in calculating stresses on the physical bodies much better than some IQ= 150 great journo. But the trick here is not even in that--it is in the fact of a much easier transition between the two fields only in one direction, not the other, if you know what I mean;-)

    With intelligence, you can learn STEM; with knowledge of STEM, you can’t do anything interesting with it unless you have intelligence.

    An IQ=150 journo, assuming he is not too old, will find learning just about anything in STEM close to trivial (though why would he want to?). An IQ=120 STEM major, however, will almost certainly never become a great journo.

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    With intelligence, you can learn STEM; with knowledge of STEM, you can’t do anything interesting with it unless you have intelligence.
     
    Well, it is kinda self-evident that studying STEM on any serious professional level requires some degree of intelligence.

    An IQ=150 journo, assuming he is not too old, will find learning just about anything in STEM close to trivial (though why would he want to?
     
    Another LOL. You see, Anatoly, unlike you I have both second and first hand experience with both training of personnel and STEM education and I, actually, taught students, including close to your age, and.... drum roll with IQs through the roof. One of (out of very many I taught) them right now has two advanced graduate degrees (one, engineering, from WUSL) and started to work years ago for Musk --I taught him full time and it wasn't easy at all. I also taught the kid who graduated Embry Riddle and then went into ROTC and became a... well. Incredibly high IQ. He also wrote a superb sci-fi literature. Well, guess what--for all his IQ-130+ it was a struggle. I have truck loads of those examples. Sorry, but you don't know what are you talking about. IQ is no substitution to abstract thinking and a serious fundamental and, what is even more important, systemic knowledge, and be this hypothetical journo with whatever IQ I can guarantee you that he would blow his brains out on the issue of serious theoretical mechanics or quantum physics, or weapons design etc. How do I know this? I studied with people who were certifiable geniuses but even at some point of time they had to invest themselves completely with a huge effort to deal with the complex academic issues precisely in STEM. It was not easy, and those people, unlike journos, had a massive (it was a requirement) STEM backgrounds. Some, later went to work in R&D (Institutes), some are Ph.Ds others... well, that is irrelevant. Without serious background--all this IQ is BS.
    , @anonymous coward

    An IQ=150 journo, assuming he is not too old, will find learning just about anything in STEM close to trivial
     
    False. People who hire STEM people know this stuff. Certain occupations (journalism, military, etc.) rot your brain and make you incapable of normal work regardless of your IQ.

    An IQ=120 STEM major, however, will almost certainly never become a great journo.
     
    Also demonstrably false, there's a shitload of STEM people who dowshift into journalism and other similar fields when they feel stressed out. They end up successful as journalists, but unfortunately it's a one-way street. You can't go back to a real job once you start letting yourself go. (See my first remark above.)
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  • @Anon
    Learning to do a free-body diagram takes c. 15 minutes.

    Learning to do a free-body diagram takes c. 15 minutes.

    Try to teach it in 15 minutes to a student who has no clue what vector is. I can also, theoretically, teach to find a derivative of polynomial function in 15 minutes pretty much anyone. Will they know differentiation after that? No. Same with free body diagram. But sure, try after 15 minutes to teach how to calculate Resultant and how to resolve vectors for people with even basic trigonometry course behind their belt and with people who do not have one. Same type of an example.

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    This test is 4th grade, they're not teaching trig, or at least they weren't teaching me trig. Any slight academic advantages at this level are really going to be negligible.
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  • @Andrei Martyanov

    TIMSS/PIRLS is more of a specifically academic test than an IQ test.
     
    LOL, that is the only thing which matters, especially in STEM, not some ACT/SAT BS on "reasoning". The kid, student, adult, engineer, designer (ascending order) with IQ=105 and who knows how to draw the free body diagram will do in calculating stresses on the physical bodies much better than some IQ= 150 great journo. But the trick here is not even in that--it is in the fact of a much easier transition between the two fields only in one direction, not the other, if you know what I mean;-)

    Learning to do a free-body diagram takes c. 15 minutes.

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    Learning to do a free-body diagram takes c. 15 minutes.
     
    Try to teach it in 15 minutes to a student who has no clue what vector is. I can also, theoretically, teach to find a derivative of polynomial function in 15 minutes pretty much anyone. Will they know differentiation after that? No. Same with free body diagram. But sure, try after 15 minutes to teach how to calculate Resultant and how to resolve vectors for people with even basic trigonometry course behind their belt and with people who do not have one. Same type of an example.
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  • TIMSS/PIRLS is more of a specifically academic test than an IQ test.

    LOL, that is the only thing which matters, especially in STEM, not some ACT/SAT BS on “reasoning”. The kid, student, adult, engineer, designer (ascending order) with IQ=105 and who knows how to draw the free body diagram will do in calculating stresses on the physical bodies much better than some IQ= 150 great journo. But the trick here is not even in that–it is in the fact of a much easier transition between the two fields only in one direction, not the other, if you know what I mean;-)

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    Learning to do a free-body diagram takes c. 15 minutes.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    With intelligence, you can learn STEM; with knowledge of STEM, you can't do anything interesting with it unless you have intelligence.

    An IQ=150 journo, assuming he is not too old, will find learning just about anything in STEM close to trivial (though why would he want to?). An IQ=120 STEM major, however, will almost certainly never become a great journo.
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  • Bad result for France. I think France will be the first country to regress noticeably, I think they are already.

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  • The TIMSS 2015 results for math and science are out and the results are pretty predictable. All the data can be conveniently downloaded from here: http://timss2015.org/download-center/. See also Steve Sailer's post from yesterday. An extension of Heiner Rindermann's observation on the differences between the two major international standardized tests - namely, that PISA is more...
  • @Andrei Martyanov

    However, if it were to increase military/MIC-type spending to 10% of GDP, and/or raise its average IQ by another standard deviation, I am sure it would be able to do any of those things pretty easily.
     
    I would I argue that it wouldn't be able to do it even if it were to increase it to 20% GDP. But that is (was) precisely my point--IQ alone, while being important metric, doesn't buy one the ability. Behavioral matrices, history, traditions, schools of thought, social interactio0ns and conditioning, size etc. play no less important role. The bottom line of civilization is its machines, or, in Marxian parlance--the production of the means of production. For that to happen some crucial criteria have to be met, geopolitical ones being one of the most important. Production of the iPhone (especially on imported processors) and production of SU-35 (or Arleigh Burke-class DDG)--those are things of a different order(s) of magnitude.

    You realize they can buy Dassault CATIA in East Asia too, right?? Hence a country like China that wants it can have J-20, J-35, Type 052D, Type 055 and C929 and myriad other things you find so impressive.

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  • From the New York Times: It's worth noting that according to the Stanford Education Data Archive of school test scores, which I wrote about for Taki's Magazine last spring, Morris has the 94th worst white-black test score gap out of more than 2000 school districts nationwide. Morris's white-Hispanic test score gap is even more of...
  • @Workforlivn
    We had a Catholic priest serving a black church in South Alabama that was handed his hat for saying niggardly. His previous job was missionary work in Africa for decades.

    If it’s not too much to ask, who is his bishop?

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @22pp22
    Triumph104 has kindly dug up the following data for New Zealand.

    Science, reading, maths

    New Zealand 513 509 495
    Maori 466 465 452
    Pasifika 446 450 441
    Asian 512 509 503
    European 533 528 509

    This gives an average of 523.3 for Pakeha (White), 508 for Asian and 461 for Maori.

    White in New Zealand means white. The poorer than usual Asian showing could be down to a higher number of Filipino as opposed to Chinese immigrants. Asian also includes South Asian.

    Still, this places Pakeha above Korea and China. New Zealanders (especially Whites) often live in small rural communities and sport is often more important to them than academic prowess.

    Auckland is only half white. The academically strong and thinly peopled South Island is overwhelmingly European.

    There are no equivalents of hagweon and juku. Kip McGrath is a cram school for underachievers.

    https://humanvarietiesfiles.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/2006-levels-immigrant-pisa.pdf

    PISA 2003 of immigrants in New Zealand:-

    Maths:-

    Chinese: 555
    Australia: 535
    India: 534
    UK: 550
    South Africa: 549
    Average(New Zealand): 529

    Reading:-

    Chinese: 506
    Australia: 550
    India: 530
    UK: 561
    South Africa: 552
    Average(New Zealand): 529

    Reading and maths average:-

    Chinese: 531
    Australia: 543
    India: 532
    UK: 556
    South Africa: 550
    Average(New Zealand): 529

    Chinese and Indian immigrants (both) have always performed at par or marginally above average New Zealander.

    While European immigrants (South African, British and Australian) have always performed 20 points above national mean.

    Not just in PISA 2015 as shown by you. But even in PISA 2003. So, the results are not surprising.

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  • @FPD72
    About a decade ago, American Enterprise journal had an entire issue about Dallas. In writing about the athletic success of white suburban schools, a source noted that Dallas area white elites are "still meat eaters." This was soon after Highland Park high won a state championship with Matthew Stafford (now with the Detroit Lions) playing QB. And this championship was in the public school league, competing against urban schools that produce numerous Division 1 athletes.

    I think Dallas area whites realize that there is much more to life success than academics. Frisco, Plano, Far North Dallas, etc. are teeming with schools with both strong academics and exceptional sports teams.

    I think Dallas area whites realize that there is much more to life success than academics. Frisco, Plano, Far North Dallas, etc. are teeming with schools with both strong academics and exceptional sports teams.

    The Dallas suburbs are also home to the state’s best band programs — which is saying a lot because high school band is very competitive in Texas.

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  • @Johann Ricke
    A report card with mostly A’s is good enough

    What's interesting is that it wasn't previously normal (decades ago) for roughly half or more of the class to get A's. George W Bush says he was a C student at the elite institutions he attended. And yet according to a former aide, Bush is smarter than 90% of the Stanford classes he teaches, which would put his IQ at around 140. We make a big deal about school competitions where every team (and team member) gets to win, but we've been doing this with grades for decades.

    I don’t claim to know how smart George Bush is; my general impression is that most successful politicians aren’t geniuses, but are a bit smarter than their public personas might lead you to believe. However, I have watched a fairly long interview with the post-presidential Bush on the Hoover Institution’s “Uncommon Knowledge,” and he really didn’t strike me as any brighter than he appeared to be during his presidency. For example, he still seemed to have no awareness of why “No Child Left Behind” couldn’t work in the real world.

    Anyway, I don’t think former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill would confirm the impression of the former aid and Stanford faculty member quoted in your link. O’Neill has decscribed his weekly briefings with Bush as being almost monologues on O’Neill’s part, with Bush nodding and making an occasional, cryptic, and sometimes irrelevant comment, but asking very few questions and seeming not to drive the discussion toward any core issue to be resolved.

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  • @Triumph104

    A Nobel Prize winner says public preschool programs should start at birth

    Nobel Prize winner James Heckman’s research has played an important role in establishing that high-quality public preschool for 3- and 4-year-olds can more than pay for itself over the long term, as low-income children who attend are more likely to live productive lives. It’s an economic argument that has persuaded lawmakers from both parties to support early education initiatives.

    Now Heckman has released new research showing that the return on investment is even higher for high-quality programs that care for low-income children from infancy to age 5. Children in such zero-to-five programs are more likely to graduate from high school, less likely to be incarcerated than their counterparts who stayed home or enrolled in low-quality programs, had higher IQs and were healthier during the course of their lives, according to the study released Monday. [...]

    The more comprehensive zero-to-five programs cost about $18,500 per year for each child enrolled — more than the average public school district spends per pupil in grades K through 12. But for every dollar invested, the program generated a societal benefit of $6.30, according to Heckman.

    He said the findings suggest that policymakers could make a bigger difference in the lives of poor children with early-childhood education programs that begin far earlier in their lives, when children are just eight weeks old. [...]

    Heckman’s new research is based on results from two North Carolina programs that began in the 1970s and then tracked their graduates’ lives through age 35. The two programs — the Carolina Abecedarian Project and the Carolina Approach to Responsive Education — were very similar, enrolling low-income African American infants when they were eight weeks old and caring for them five days a week, 50 weeks a year, until age 5.

    Children enrolled in the programs got regular medical checkups, giving their families a better chance of addressing problems early. And because the children were cared for full-time, their mothers — most of whom were single parents — were more likely to get further education and advance at work, boosting their income.

    “It has two generations’ impact,” Heckman said.

    Graduates of the zero-to-five programs also had higher IQs than their counterparts who did not enroll, Heckman said. Preschool programs for 3- and 4-year-olds have not been shown to have any such effect on IQ.

    The two programs initially enrolled about 200 children, a number that diminished as some moved or dropped out for other reasons. Their lives and outcomes were compared to the lives and outcomes of a control group of children, including some who stayed home with their mothers and others who attended low-quality day care.

    How to define and measure “quality” has been a matter of debate among early childhood educators. Heckman said the defining characteristic of a high-quality program, more than a certain staffing ratio or training regimen, is empathetic adults who engage meaningfully with their young charges, giving them personalized attention as they grow and develop.

    Boys who received low-quality care had significantly worse life outcomes, including in health, than boys who stayed home with their mothers, according to the study. Girls did not suffer in the same way from spending time in low-quality arrangements.

    Heckman said that might be due to the fact that young boys are, in general, slower than girls to develop skills such as self-control, making them more vulnerable to chaotic environments.

    “Quality is probably more of an issue for boys than for girls,” Heckman said. “There’s no question about it that certain kinds of warehouse activity for children — not locking them up in a closet or putting them into Romanian orphanages, but putting them into large groups of children, not even interacting — can lead to harmful consequences,” he said.

    He said that boys and girls could benefit from early-childhood policies tailored to their differences, but acknowledged that might be a hard sell: “People don’t want to talk about these gender differences,” he said.

    The new research has not yet been submitted to a journal for peer review. It received funding from the Buffett Early Childhood Fund; the Pritzker Children’s Initiative; the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation; the Leonard D. Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics; the National Institutes of Health; the Hymen Milgrom Supporting Organization; the Institute for New Economic Thinking; and the American Bar Foundation.
     

    “People don’t want to talk about these gender differences,” he said.

    Says the man who doesn’t want to talk about racial differences.

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  • @Jefferson
    There are 5 synagogues in Berkeley. That's a lot of synagogues for a city that only has a population of 120,000 people. So per capita Berkeley is a very Jewish city.
    https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-hms-tmobile-us&ei=ZGBPWK_6Loy8jwPb2Z-ADA&q=Synagogues+In+Berkeley&oq=Synagogues+In+Berkeley&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.12..0j0i22i30k1l2.2004.17279.0.18676.30.29.0.6.6.0.296.4902.1j14j11.26.0....0...1c.1j4.64.mobile-gws-serp..5.25.4007.3..35i39k1j0i20k1j0i67k1j0i46i67k1j46i67k1j0i67i70k1.EdoS-f3ocRY#istate=lrl:xpd

    “There are 5 synagogues in Berkeley. That’s a lot of synagogues for a city that only has a population of 120,000 people. So per capita Berkeley is a very Jewish city.”

    5 synagogues is actually very few for a very Jewish city with that population. Especially when they are different denominations as these 5 are (one reform, one conservative , one chabad etc.)For comparison, a town I used to live in in Jersey had 11,000 population and 12 or 13 synagogues.

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  • @FPD72
    About a decade ago, American Enterprise journal had an entire issue about Dallas. In writing about the athletic success of white suburban schools, a source noted that Dallas area white elites are "still meat eaters." This was soon after Highland Park high won a state championship with Matthew Stafford (now with the Detroit Lions) playing QB. And this championship was in the public school league, competing against urban schools that produce numerous Division 1 athletes.

    I think Dallas area whites realize that there is much more to life success than academics. Frisco, Plano, Far North Dallas, etc. are teeming with schools with both strong academics and exceptional sports teams.

    As others here have mentioned before, the key to whites doing well in high school football is not attending a school with blacks and avoiding cultural differences. As of 2015 Matthew Stafford’s high school was 89% white, 5% Hispanic, and 4% Asian with 0% receiving free or reduced lunch. The school of 2,140 only had 5 blacks. (The Dept of Ed released the 2015 racial demographics after the presidential election.)

    Speaking of white, Margaret Thatcher’s grandson Michael played on Highland High’s football team. He was a couple of years behind Stafford and was also on the 2005 undefeated state championship team. Michael later graduated from Texas A&M with a degree in chemistry. His sister Amanda ran the 400m hurdles for the University of Richmond until their grandmother died and she lost her anonymity. In high school, in addition to the 300m hurdles, Amanda competed in the high jump, triple jump, 4×100, 4×200, and 4×100 hurdles.

    http://www.richmondspiders.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205609846

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  • @FPD72
    About a decade ago, American Enterprise journal had an entire issue about Dallas. In writing about the athletic success of white suburban schools, a source noted that Dallas area white elites are "still meat eaters." This was soon after Highland Park high won a state championship with Matthew Stafford (now with the Detroit Lions) playing QB. And this championship was in the public school league, competing against urban schools that produce numerous Division 1 athletes.

    I think Dallas area whites realize that there is much more to life success than academics. Frisco, Plano, Far North Dallas, etc. are teeming with schools with both strong academics and exceptional sports teams.

    Future NFL QB Matthew Stafford probably didn’t even have the best throwing arm on the Highland Park HS campus in Dallas, because Clayton Kershaw, now pitching for Dodgers, was also a student.

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  • @Jefferson
    "For example, the most gaping white-black disparity in the entire United States is found in Berkeley, CA."

    Berkeley has a large Jewish population, especially for a Westcoast city not located in Hollywood. That would explain the gaping White-Black disparity there.

    Your point interests me because at some point after my (very brief) time of having to live there, I thought I finally figured out what made Berkeley what it was.

    The Bolshies there (Jewish and non-) go out of their way to signal being weird. There were actual recurring stylized public rituals around this signalling till the city shut them down, I guess for being too honest about the community’s actual beliefs. (Similar genres are in place in SF–Pride, Folsom Street Fair, Up Your Alley, etc.; whatever you do, don’t look those up.)

    That serves as a potent racial marker of territory without overtly going into racialized discourse.

    Thus in the 1990s in Berkeley, if you were of the Access Class, or aspiring to it, at these carnivals you could do illegal things in public like wave your penis in children’s faces and use drugs openly, and expect never to be arrested.

    Later in the week you’d complain about how criminalization of drugs and nudity was a bad racialized thing. After just having used it in effect to signal racial privilege. While complaining about rednecks and nazis and such and lamenting about Diversity.

    Zombietime had a stronger stomach than I for documenting this sort of thing. Here is her report from the early Aughts on How Berkeley Can You Be:

    http://www.zombietime.com/how_berkeley_can_you_be/

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  • @ATX Hipster

    The most impressive combinations of diversity, high average test scores, and modest racial gaps tend to be found in Texas exurbs, such as Frisco, the new home of the Dallas Cowboys.
     
    Do you have any ideas on why this might be? I'm curious about the nature vs nurture aspect of this. Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don't put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston. A report card with mostly A's is good enough, and kids aren't going to hang themselves if they don't get into Harvard because a degree from UT can get them a job with an oil major or Goldman's Dallas office and a big house, no problem.

    A report card with mostly A’s is good enough

    What’s interesting is that it wasn’t previously normal (decades ago) for roughly half or more of the class to get A’s. George W Bush says he was a C student at the elite institutions he attended. And yet according to a former aide, Bush is smarter than 90% of the Stanford classes he teaches, which would put his IQ at around 140. We make a big deal about school competitions where every team (and team member) gets to win, but we’ve been doing this with grades for decades.

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    I don't claim to know how smart George Bush is; my general impression is that most successful politicians aren't geniuses, but are a bit smarter than their public personas might lead you to believe. However, I have watched a fairly long interview with the post-presidential Bush on the Hoover Institution's "Uncommon Knowledge," and he really didn't strike me as any brighter than he appeared to be during his presidency. For example, he still seemed to have no awareness of why "No Child Left Behind" couldn't work in the real world.

    Anyway, I don't think former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill would confirm the impression of the former aid and Stanford faculty member quoted in your link. O'Neill has decscribed his weekly briefings with Bush as being almost monologues on O'Neill's part, with Bush nodding and making an occasional, cryptic, and sometimes irrelevant comment, but asking very few questions and seeming not to drive the discussion toward any core issue to be resolved.
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  • @ATX Hipster

    The most impressive combinations of diversity, high average test scores, and modest racial gaps tend to be found in Texas exurbs, such as Frisco, the new home of the Dallas Cowboys.
     
    Do you have any ideas on why this might be? I'm curious about the nature vs nurture aspect of this. Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don't put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston. A report card with mostly A's is good enough, and kids aren't going to hang themselves if they don't get into Harvard because a degree from UT can get them a job with an oil major or Goldman's Dallas office and a big house, no problem.

    About a decade ago, American Enterprise journal had an entire issue about Dallas. In writing about the athletic success of white suburban schools, a source noted that Dallas area white elites are “still meat eaters.” This was soon after Highland Park high won a state championship with Matthew Stafford (now with the Detroit Lions) playing QB. And this championship was in the public school league, competing against urban schools that produce numerous Division 1 athletes.

    I think Dallas area whites realize that there is much more to life success than academics. Frisco, Plano, Far North Dallas, etc. are teeming with schools with both strong academics and exceptional sports teams.

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    Future NFL QB Matthew Stafford probably didn't even have the best throwing arm on the Highland Park HS campus in Dallas, because Clayton Kershaw, now pitching for Dodgers, was also a student.
    , @Triumph104
    As others here have mentioned before, the key to whites doing well in high school football is not attending a school with blacks and avoiding cultural differences. As of 2015 Matthew Stafford's high school was 89% white, 5% Hispanic, and 4% Asian with 0% receiving free or reduced lunch. The school of 2,140 only had 5 blacks. (The Dept of Ed released the 2015 racial demographics after the presidential election.)

    Speaking of white, Margaret Thatcher's grandson Michael played on Highland High's football team. He was a couple of years behind Stafford and was also on the 2005 undefeated state championship team. Michael later graduated from Texas A&M with a degree in chemistry. His sister Amanda ran the 400m hurdles for the University of Richmond until their grandmother died and she lost her anonymity. In high school, in addition to the 300m hurdles, Amanda competed in the high jump, triple jump, 4x100, 4x200, and 4x100 hurdles.

    http://www.richmondspiders.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205609846

    , @poolside
    I think Dallas area whites realize that there is much more to life success than academics. Frisco, Plano, Far North Dallas, etc. are teeming with schools with both strong academics and exceptional sports teams.

    The Dallas suburbs are also home to the state's best band programs -- which is saying a lot because high school band is very competitive in Texas.
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  • @Triumph104

    A Nobel Prize winner says public preschool programs should start at birth

    Nobel Prize winner James Heckman’s research has played an important role in establishing that high-quality public preschool for 3- and 4-year-olds can more than pay for itself over the long term, as low-income children who attend are more likely to live productive lives. It’s an economic argument that has persuaded lawmakers from both parties to support early education initiatives.

    Now Heckman has released new research showing that the return on investment is even higher for high-quality programs that care for low-income children from infancy to age 5. Children in such zero-to-five programs are more likely to graduate from high school, less likely to be incarcerated than their counterparts who stayed home or enrolled in low-quality programs, had higher IQs and were healthier during the course of their lives, according to the study released Monday. [...]

    The more comprehensive zero-to-five programs cost about $18,500 per year for each child enrolled — more than the average public school district spends per pupil in grades K through 12. But for every dollar invested, the program generated a societal benefit of $6.30, according to Heckman.

    He said the findings suggest that policymakers could make a bigger difference in the lives of poor children with early-childhood education programs that begin far earlier in their lives, when children are just eight weeks old. [...]

    Heckman’s new research is based on results from two North Carolina programs that began in the 1970s and then tracked their graduates’ lives through age 35. The two programs — the Carolina Abecedarian Project and the Carolina Approach to Responsive Education — were very similar, enrolling low-income African American infants when they were eight weeks old and caring for them five days a week, 50 weeks a year, until age 5.

    Children enrolled in the programs got regular medical checkups, giving their families a better chance of addressing problems early. And because the children were cared for full-time, their mothers — most of whom were single parents — were more likely to get further education and advance at work, boosting their income.

    “It has two generations’ impact,” Heckman said.

    Graduates of the zero-to-five programs also had higher IQs than their counterparts who did not enroll, Heckman said. Preschool programs for 3- and 4-year-olds have not been shown to have any such effect on IQ.

    The two programs initially enrolled about 200 children, a number that diminished as some moved or dropped out for other reasons. Their lives and outcomes were compared to the lives and outcomes of a control group of children, including some who stayed home with their mothers and others who attended low-quality day care.

    How to define and measure “quality” has been a matter of debate among early childhood educators. Heckman said the defining characteristic of a high-quality program, more than a certain staffing ratio or training regimen, is empathetic adults who engage meaningfully with their young charges, giving them personalized attention as they grow and develop.

    Boys who received low-quality care had significantly worse life outcomes, including in health, than boys who stayed home with their mothers, according to the study. Girls did not suffer in the same way from spending time in low-quality arrangements.

    Heckman said that might be due to the fact that young boys are, in general, slower than girls to develop skills such as self-control, making them more vulnerable to chaotic environments.

    “Quality is probably more of an issue for boys than for girls,” Heckman said. “There’s no question about it that certain kinds of warehouse activity for children — not locking them up in a closet or putting them into Romanian orphanages, but putting them into large groups of children, not even interacting — can lead to harmful consequences,” he said.

    He said that boys and girls could benefit from early-childhood policies tailored to their differences, but acknowledged that might be a hard sell: “People don’t want to talk about these gender differences,” he said.

    The new research has not yet been submitted to a journal for peer review. It received funding from the Buffett Early Childhood Fund; the Pritzker Children’s Initiative; the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation; the Leonard D. Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics; the National Institutes of Health; the Hymen Milgrom Supporting Organization; the Institute for New Economic Thinking; and the American Bar Foundation.
     

    Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Dr. Priscilla Chan recently opened a pre-natal to 8th grade private school for the poor children of East Palo Alto, CA. The school was orginally going to serve up to the 12th grade.

    I always joke that Zuckerberg can experiment on the kids and test new education software, while Dr. Chan can try new psychotropic drugs on the children.

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  • @Jack D
    In a place like Frisco you also have fairly modest economic/educational gaps between the race - you have middle class whites, black and Hispanics living side by side. In the NY Metro area, either you work on Wall Street or you cut the lawn of the guy who works on Wall Street.

    In a place like Frisco you also have fairly modest economic/educational gaps between the race – you have middle class whites, black and Hispanics living side by side. In the NY Metro area, either you work on Wall Street or you cut the lawn of the guy who works on Wall Street.

    True. Non-Texans should note that Frisco etc. as referenced by Steve are very new, very carefully planned, well-run exurbs (i.e. at the very fringes of sprawl (for now)), built up in the last 10 years or so, that draw residents from the many thousands of white-collar corporate employees who move to the area, following major corporate relocations like Toyota, State Farm, etc…. and who do NOT care at all about “walkability,” artisanal kale, restored Craftsman houses, in stark contrast to the preferences of the Bildungsbürgertum who settle in Bethesda, Maryland or Montclair, New Jersey.

    https://www.amazon.com/Next-Stop-Reloville-Americas-Professional/dp/0805083081

    Also in this category are Flower Mound, McKinney, Allen. Here the good life is much more “Friday Night Lights” than “Renaissance Weekend.” Wives can easily stay at home. Family formation to the max. And I would bet that this version of the good life is much more appealing to whites, blacks, Hispanics, etc., than the SWPL version of the good life. Most visible symbol of this: 60-70 million dollar high school football stadiums.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/news/mckinney/2016/08/19/mckinney-isd-stadium-price-hike-shocks-officials-trustees

    http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2012/november/what-is-hiding-inside-allen-high-school-football-stadium/

    I don’t have numbers or the skill to quantify this, but in the vast Texas metro areas, you have a lot more towns that are toward the middle of the bell curves (all the various, correlated bell curves) than the extremes. That includes the upper-middle (Frisco, Allen, McKinney), middle-middle (Grapevine, Hurst, Euless, Bedford), lower-middle (Mesquite, Duncanville, DeSoto, Carrollton). In all of those middle-zones, there is more overlap amongst the races who wind up there “naturally” so to speak.

    In Dallas there is indeed the equivalent of the “coastal” areas that are rich and 100% white (Highland Park) or 100% white/Asian (West Plano, Coppell), or poor and 100% black (South Dallas) or poor and 100% Hispanic (Oak Cliff), but those areas seem to proportionally make up less of the overall metro area. Lots of relevant numbers on this blog:

    http://dallas-area-schools.blogspot.com/2016/01/2014-2015-average-sat-score-by.html

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  • A Nobel Prize winner says public preschool programs should start at birth

    Nobel Prize winner James Heckman’s research has played an important role in establishing that high-quality public preschool for 3- and 4-year-olds can more than pay for itself over the long term, as low-income children who attend are more likely to live productive lives. It’s an economic argument that has persuaded lawmakers from both parties to support early education initiatives.

    Now Heckman has released new research showing that the return on investment is even higher for high-quality programs that care for low-income children from infancy to age 5. Children in such zero-to-five programs are more likely to graduate from high school, less likely to be incarcerated than their counterparts who stayed home or enrolled in low-quality programs, had higher IQs and were healthier during the course of their lives, according to the study released Monday. [...]

    The more comprehensive zero-to-five programs cost about $18,500 per year for each child enrolled — more than the average public school district spends per pupil in grades K through 12. But for every dollar invested, the program generated a societal benefit of $6.30, according to Heckman.

    He said the findings suggest that policymakers could make a bigger difference in the lives of poor children with early-childhood education programs that begin far earlier in their lives, when children are just eight weeks old. [...]

    Heckman’s new research is based on results from two North Carolina programs that began in the 1970s and then tracked their graduates’ lives through age 35. The two programs — the Carolina Abecedarian Project and the Carolina Approach to Responsive Education — were very similar, enrolling low-income African American infants when they were eight weeks old and caring for them five days a week, 50 weeks a year, until age 5.

    Children enrolled in the programs got regular medical checkups, giving their families a better chance of addressing problems early. And because the children were cared for full-time, their mothers — most of whom were single parents — were more likely to get further education and advance at work, boosting their income.

    “It has two generations’ impact,” Heckman said.

    Graduates of the zero-to-five programs also had higher IQs than their counterparts who did not enroll, Heckman said. Preschool programs for 3- and 4-year-olds have not been shown to have any such effect on IQ.

    The two programs initially enrolled about 200 children, a number that diminished as some moved or dropped out for other reasons. Their lives and outcomes were compared to the lives and outcomes of a control group of children, including some who stayed home with their mothers and others who attended low-quality day care.

    How to define and measure “quality” has been a matter of debate among early childhood educators. Heckman said the defining characteristic of a high-quality program, more than a certain staffing ratio or training regimen, is empathetic adults who engage meaningfully with their young charges, giving them personalized attention as they grow and develop.

    Boys who received low-quality care had significantly worse life outcomes, including in health, than boys who stayed home with their mothers, according to the study. Girls did not suffer in the same way from spending time in low-quality arrangements.

    Heckman said that might be due to the fact that young boys are, in general, slower than girls to develop skills such as self-control, making them more vulnerable to chaotic environments.

    “Quality is probably more of an issue for boys than for girls,” Heckman said. “There’s no question about it that certain kinds of warehouse activity for children — not locking them up in a closet or putting them into Romanian orphanages, but putting them into large groups of children, not even interacting — can lead to harmful consequences,” he said.

    He said that boys and girls could benefit from early-childhood policies tailored to their differences, but acknowledged that might be a hard sell: “People don’t want to talk about these gender differences,” he said.

    The new research has not yet been submitted to a journal for peer review. It received funding from the Buffett Early Childhood Fund; the Pritzker Children’s Initiative; the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation; the Leonard D. Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics; the National Institutes of Health; the Hymen Milgrom Supporting Organization; the Institute for New Economic Thinking; and the American Bar Foundation.

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    Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Dr. Priscilla Chan recently opened a pre-natal to 8th grade private school for the poor children of East Palo Alto, CA. The school was orginally going to serve up to the 12th grade.

    I always joke that Zuckerberg can experiment on the kids and test new education software, while Dr. Chan can try new psychotropic drugs on the children.
    , @candid_observer

    “People don’t want to talk about these gender differences,” he said.
     
    Says the man who doesn't want to talk about racial differences.
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  • @ATX Hipster

    The most impressive combinations of diversity, high average test scores, and modest racial gaps tend to be found in Texas exurbs, such as Frisco, the new home of the Dallas Cowboys.
     
    Do you have any ideas on why this might be? I'm curious about the nature vs nurture aspect of this. Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don't put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston. A report card with mostly A's is good enough, and kids aren't going to hang themselves if they don't get into Harvard because a degree from UT can get them a job with an oil major or Goldman's Dallas office and a big house, no problem.

    Agreed. I’ve frequently observed the view among them: Why leave Texas? Granted, if you really want to get to Silicon Valley or DC or Wall Street, then shoot for the Ivy League etc., but otherwise… If you get B’s you can go to a regional UT campus and have a good life in Texas. If you get C’s you can go to community college, maybe transfer later, and still have a good life in Texas.

    Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don’t put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston. A report card with mostly A’s is good enough, and kids aren’t going to hang themselves if they don’t get into Harvard because a degree from UT can get them a job with an oil major or Goldman’s Dallas office and a big house, no problem.

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  • @Triumph104
    I finally figured out why Texas does relatively well on the NAEP. Texas criminalized being absent. Unexcused absents were resulting in 100,000 families having to appear in court each year. Some students, age 17 or older, were put in jail.

    Chronically absent is described as missing 10%, 18 days, or more of school. Poor people don't understand that kids have to go to school everyday in order to learn. A key indicator of a failing school is the chronic absentism rate. Being forced to attend school an extra 5, 10, or 15 days a year is going result in a bump in test scores.

    I'll use Massachusetts numbers since I know where to find the data. For the state of Massachusetts 12.3% of students are chronically absent, 24.3% for Boston, and 5.5% for affluent Newton. http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/ I have seen a school in New York City that was 43% chronically absent.

    Texas significantly softened its absenteeism policy in 2015, so expect future NAEP results to start dropping.

    Thank you, that’s very interesting. I’ll be curious to see test scores over the next few years

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  • @Steve Sailer
    Texas does well on the NAEP. I don't know why.

    Texas, unlike most Southern states, had a large German population to go along with the typical Scots Irish. It was originally centered around the Hill Country, hence the names of some of the towns there, such as New Braunfels and Kerrville. Anyway, it may explain why whites there do better than whites elsewhere in the South. And as also has been pointed out, the Mexicans in Texas are usually higher quality than the ones in California.

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  • @Anon
    I think we should adopt the term 're-jigger'.

    "We must re-jigger your community."

    Those of us play around in cabinetry know that a jig is a homemade (usually) device specifically constructed to ease a woodworking task. How long before talking about a “useful Jig” is verboten?

    And on a different but not unrelated note- it’s indicative of just what we are dealing with- who can forget the Florida State Senator’s horror at her realization that people were practicing animal husbandry?

    https://jonathanturley.org/2009/03/13/florida-senator-raises-alarm-over-animal-husbandry/

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  • Sure, maybe you’ll get away with using “rejigger” in 2016, but in 2017 you might be quoted on NPR using, say, the word “denigrate,” and a quick Twitterstorm later, you’ll be carrying a cardboard box of your personal effects down the elevator while a younger, nimbler SJW measures the drapes in your old office, little realizing that years later xe will in turn be fired for saying the word “doggerel,” not realizing the outrage that will ensue among CRISPR-enhanced Canine-Americans.

    Remember, today’s euphemism is tomorrow’s slur.

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  • The TIMSS 2015 results for math and science are out and the results are pretty predictable. All the data can be conveniently downloaded from here: http://timss2015.org/download-center/. See also Steve Sailer's post from yesterday. An extension of Heiner Rindermann's observation on the differences between the two major international standardized tests - namely, that PISA is more...
  • You may find this interesting:

    Finnish Mathematicians were Blowing Whistle on the Finnish Education Hype.

    http://jukuyobiko.blogspot.jp/2015/12/finnish-mathematicians-were-blowing.html

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  • From the New York Times: It's worth noting that according to the Stanford Education Data Archive of school test scores, which I wrote about for Taki's Magazine last spring, Morris has the 94th worst white-black test score gap out of more than 2000 school districts nationwide. Morris's white-Hispanic test score gap is even more of...
  • @ATX Hipster

    The most impressive combinations of diversity, high average test scores, and modest racial gaps tend to be found in Texas exurbs, such as Frisco, the new home of the Dallas Cowboys.
     
    Do you have any ideas on why this might be? I'm curious about the nature vs nurture aspect of this. Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don't put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston. A report card with mostly A's is good enough, and kids aren't going to hang themselves if they don't get into Harvard because a degree from UT can get them a job with an oil major or Goldman's Dallas office and a big house, no problem.

    Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don’t put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston. A report card with mostly A’s is good enough, and kids aren’t going to hang themselves if they don’t get into Harvard because a degree from UT can get them a job with an oil major or Goldman’s Dallas office and a big house, no problem.

    Likewise traditional broad-based legitimate social mobility is likely to motivate non-white parents to make sure their kids are up to speed better than the artificially exclusive social mobility on offer in Ivy-obsessed areas.

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  • @ATX Hipster

    The most impressive combinations of diversity, high average test scores, and modest racial gaps tend to be found in Texas exurbs, such as Frisco, the new home of the Dallas Cowboys.
     
    Do you have any ideas on why this might be? I'm curious about the nature vs nurture aspect of this. Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don't put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston. A report card with mostly A's is good enough, and kids aren't going to hang themselves if they don't get into Harvard because a degree from UT can get them a job with an oil major or Goldman's Dallas office and a big house, no problem.

    Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don’t put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston.

    No, they just have a broader understanding of what constitutes education. Parents (i.e. UMC parents) in places like Berkeley and Boston like things narrow and thus exclusively accessible to their own progeny.

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  • I finally figured out why Texas does relatively well on the NAEP. Texas criminalized being absent. Unexcused absents were resulting in 100,000 families having to appear in court each year. Some students, age 17 or older, were put in jail.

    There’s been a lot of PSAs about this on Cincinnati radio. Kids from honor cultures (such as many urban blacks and rural whites) will tend to disrupt class to save face if a question comes up that threatens to expose gaps in their learning, so lessening those gaps could have knock-on effects.

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  • Another problematic word to avoid: vinegar

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  • You will like this

    Applying the ’80/20 rule’ to social costs

    A detailed analysis of the lives of nearly a thousand people from birth to age 38 shows that a small portion of the population accounts for the lion’s share of social costs such as crime, welfare dependence and health-care needs as adults.

    Just one-fifth of the study population accounted for 81 percent of criminal convictions and 77 percent of fatherless childrearing. This fifth of the group also consumed three-quarters of drug prescriptions, two-thirds of welfare benefits and more than half of the hospital nights and cigarettes smoked.
    …….

    At age 3, each child in the study had participated in a 45-minute examination of neurological signs including intelligence, language and motor skills, and then the examiners also rated the children on factors such as frustration tolerance, restlessness and impulsivity. This yielded a summary index the researchers called “brain health.”

    In the latest study, low scores on the brain health index at age 3 were found to predict high healthcare and social costs as an adult. “We can predict this quite well, beginning at age 3 by assessing a child’s history of disadvantage, and particularly their brain health,” Caspi said.

    http://scienmag.com/applying-the-8020-rule-to-social-costs/

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  • @Steve Sailer
    Texas does well on the NAEP. I don't know why.

    I finally figured out why Texas does relatively well on the NAEP. Texas criminalized being absent. Unexcused absents were resulting in 100,000 families having to appear in court each year. Some students, age 17 or older, were put in jail.

    Chronically absent is described as missing 10%, 18 days, or more of school. Poor people don’t understand that kids have to go to school everyday in order to learn. A key indicator of a failing school is the chronic absentism rate. Being forced to attend school an extra 5, 10, or 15 days a year is going result in a bump in test scores.

    I’ll use Massachusetts numbers since I know where to find the data. For the state of Massachusetts 12.3% of students are chronically absent, 24.3% for Boston, and 5.5% for affluent Newton. http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/ I have seen a school in New York City that was 43% chronically absent.

    Texas significantly softened its absenteeism policy in 2015, so expect future NAEP results to start dropping.

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    Thank you, that's very interesting. I'll be curious to see test scores over the next few years
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  • I read this article yesterday morning and couldn’t find any reference to the actual performance of the chosen ones, black & Hispanic students . I suspected because it wasn’t any good, thanks Steve for confirming that suspicious

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  • No school in the district is predominantly one ethnic or racial group. No one group is isolated. And at the high school level, neighboring Morris Plains, one of the region’s richest communities, also funnels its students into the school. Today, the district is 51 percent white, 34 percent Hispanic, 10 percent black and 5 percent Asian, and each school loosely mirrors those proportions.

    That is the secret in the sauce. If every school has the same demographics, then every school will have the same test scores and families won’t flee one public school for a better public school.

    Kobe Bryant’s former school district, Lower Marion, PA, did the same thing with its two high schools. One high school was getting blacker, so to avoid white flight and dropping real estate prices, the district made some of the black kids commute to the other high school. So now the two schools have similar demographics and test scores.

    New York City public schools are in an uproar about school segregation because the teachers’ unions want similar test scores at every school. Since New York public schools are 2/3 black and Hispanic, schools that are half white are “segregated”. The racial balancing in the NJ and PA districts mentioned is only tolerated because whites and Asians make up the majority of the school.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Whilst on the subject, big, fat, well remunerated, white, middle aged, male, paunchy, former chief executives of the English Football (Soccer) Association have got together and produced a report saying that the English Football Association is dominated by white middle aged men.

    Well, perhaps. But, considering that the only people to dumb enough to fully soccer obsessively through thick and thin for lifetimes, whilst devoting an enormous amount of time and money to that trivial pursuit are white men, and only white men, the attempt to foist the Totem Pole zeitgeist onto professional football is pure nonsense.

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  • @ATX Hipster

    The most impressive combinations of diversity, high average test scores, and modest racial gaps tend to be found in Texas exurbs, such as Frisco, the new home of the Dallas Cowboys.
     
    Do you have any ideas on why this might be? I'm curious about the nature vs nurture aspect of this. Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don't put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston. A report card with mostly A's is good enough, and kids aren't going to hang themselves if they don't get into Harvard because a degree from UT can get them a job with an oil major or Goldman's Dallas office and a big house, no problem.

    Texas does well on the NAEP. I don’t know why.

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    I finally figured out why Texas does relatively well on the NAEP. Texas criminalized being absent. Unexcused absents were resulting in 100,000 families having to appear in court each year. Some students, age 17 or older, were put in jail.

    Chronically absent is described as missing 10%, 18 days, or more of school. Poor people don't understand that kids have to go to school everyday in order to learn. A key indicator of a failing school is the chronic absentism rate. Being forced to attend school an extra 5, 10, or 15 days a year is going result in a bump in test scores.

    I'll use Massachusetts numbers since I know where to find the data. For the state of Massachusetts 12.3% of students are chronically absent, 24.3% for Boston, and 5.5% for affluent Newton. http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/ I have seen a school in New York City that was 43% chronically absent.

    Texas significantly softened its absenteeism policy in 2015, so expect future NAEP results to start dropping.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Texas, unlike most Southern states, had a large German population to go along with the typical Scots Irish. It was originally centered around the Hill Country, hence the names of some of the towns there, such as New Braunfels and Kerrville. Anyway, it may explain why whites there do better than whites elsewhere in the South. And as also has been pointed out, the Mexicans in Texas are usually higher quality than the ones in California.
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  • @Jefferson
    "In a place like Frisco you also have fairly modest economic/educational gaps between the race – you have middle class whites, black and Hispanics living side by side. In the NY Metro area, either you work on Wall Street or you cut the lawn of the guy who works on Wall Street."

    New York City also has a higher percentage of dysfunctional ghetto welfare Blacks than Frisco, Texas. Frisco has a better crop of Blacks.

    “Frisco has a better crop of Blacks.” So. I’ll bet you I have a better crop of crabgrass and chickweed in my front yard than you do.

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  • The most impressive combinations of diversity, high average test scores, and modest racial gaps tend to be found in Texas exurbs, such as Frisco, the new home of the Dallas Cowboys.

    Do you have any ideas on why this might be? I’m curious about the nature vs nurture aspect of this. Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don’t put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston. A report card with mostly A’s is good enough, and kids aren’t going to hang themselves if they don’t get into Harvard because a degree from UT can get them a job with an oil major or Goldman’s Dallas office and a big house, no problem.

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    Texas does well on the NAEP. I don't know why.
    , @Desiderius

    Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don’t put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston.
     
    No, they just have a broader understanding of what constitutes education. Parents (i.e. UMC parents) in places like Berkeley and Boston like things narrow and thus exclusively accessible to their own progeny.
    , @Desiderius

    Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don’t put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston. A report card with mostly A’s is good enough, and kids aren’t going to hang themselves if they don’t get into Harvard because a degree from UT can get them a job with an oil major or Goldman’s Dallas office and a big house, no problem.
     
    Likewise traditional broad-based legitimate social mobility is likely to motivate non-white parents to make sure their kids are up to speed better than the artificially exclusive social mobility on offer in Ivy-obsessed areas.
    , @benjaminl
    Agreed. I've frequently observed the view among them: Why leave Texas? Granted, if you really want to get to Silicon Valley or DC or Wall Street, then shoot for the Ivy League etc., but otherwise... If you get B's you can go to a regional UT campus and have a good life in Texas. If you get C's you can go to community college, maybe transfer later, and still have a good life in Texas.

    Generally speaking, upper middle class parents in Texas don’t put the same kind of emphasis on educational attainment that parents seem to in places like Berkeley or Boston. A report card with mostly A’s is good enough, and kids aren’t going to hang themselves if they don’t get into Harvard because a degree from UT can get them a job with an oil major or Goldman’s Dallas office and a big house, no problem.
     
    , @FPD72
    About a decade ago, American Enterprise journal had an entire issue about Dallas. In writing about the athletic success of white suburban schools, a source noted that Dallas area white elites are "still meat eaters." This was soon after Highland Park high won a state championship with Matthew Stafford (now with the Detroit Lions) playing QB. And this championship was in the public school league, competing against urban schools that produce numerous Division 1 athletes.

    I think Dallas area whites realize that there is much more to life success than academics. Frisco, Plano, Far North Dallas, etc. are teeming with schools with both strong academics and exceptional sports teams.
    , @Johann Ricke
    A report card with mostly A’s is good enough

    What's interesting is that it wasn't previously normal (decades ago) for roughly half or more of the class to get A's. George W Bush says he was a C student at the elite institutions he attended. And yet according to a former aide, Bush is smarter than 90% of the Stanford classes he teaches, which would put his IQ at around 140. We make a big deal about school competitions where every team (and team member) gets to win, but we've been doing this with grades for decades.
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  • @Mr. Anon
    "The word “rejigger” strikes me as potentially problematic. I suspect that professors younger than emeritus would automatically shy away from saying “rejigger” to the New York Times."

    Undoubtedly. They'd be spooked by such language which, having not been used in a coon's age, has lost its shine. They'd be too afraid of getting black-balled for it.

    “Rejigger”– indeed. We also have some slightly clumsy “foodie” reporters out there. To wit, body of e mail I fired off to Kathleen Purvis for her recent masterpiece:

    http://www.newsobserver.com/living/food-drink/article119788148.html

    “I pulled up to the building made to look like a farmhouse and parked in the lot scattered with woodpiles.” — Woodpiles?? Really? You better watch your triggers there missy.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nigger%20in%20the%20woodpile

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  • @Jefferson
    "In the NY Metro area, either you work on Wall Street or you cut the lawn of the guy who works on Wall Street."

    When Far Left Wing cities like Washingtom DC, New York City and San Francisco become extremely overpriced those cities drive out a lot more middle class Americans than they do underclass Americans. Underclass Americans can continue to live in these cities because they have the government teat to fall back on. Middle class Americans living in these cities are in a pickle because the government say they make too much money to legally qualify to get on the government teat, but at the same time their dollar doesn't go far in these Far Left Wing cities. These Far Left Wing cities murder their pockets.

    These Far Left Wing cities are increasingly becoming the place where only the poorest 5 percent of Americans and the richest 5 percent of Americans reside.

    And the Mexicans and Central Americans rush in to fill the void.

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  • “The word “rejigger” strikes me as potentially problematic. I suspect that professors younger than emeritus would automatically shy away from saying “rejigger” to the New York Times.”

    Undoubtedly. They’d be spooked by such language which, having not been used in a coon’s age, has lost its shine. They’d be too afraid of getting black-balled for it.

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    "Rejigger"-- indeed. We also have some slightly clumsy "foodie" reporters out there. To wit, body of e mail I fired off to Kathleen Purvis for her recent masterpiece:

    http://www.newsobserver.com/living/food-drink/article119788148.html


    "I pulled up to the building made to look like a farmhouse and parked in the lot scattered with woodpiles." -- Woodpiles?? Really? You better watch your triggers there missy.


    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nigger%20in%20the%20woodpile
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  • The pertinent La Griffe du Lion essay is of course:

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/diversity.htm

    “Where I come from, diversity just means you have to lock your bicycle up.”
    — Fred Reed

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