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    And repurpose the $260 billion being spent on stadium construction in Qatar for shelter for refugee Arabs. It's the least the Arabs could do for their fellow Arabs. Why should these poor Arabs have to live under the oppressive thumb of white racist Europeans when their Arab brothers have plenty of money to put them...
  • @Ben H
    Exactly. In that truck where 71 people died in Austria, 53 were men. If these were war refugees there would be more women, children and old people.

    I have a theory,
    But that’s probably all it is…..
    The reason that it’s so many men is because it’s Isis fleeing infact I’m pretty sure ISIS work for us westerners!
    I believe they are fleeing because Russia know what is going on and they are going to take control of Syria.

    I also believe that America are panicking over China flexing their muscles.

    Just theories of course!

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The only problem here is that the ARABS DO NOT CONSIDER SYRIANS, IRAQIS, IRANIANS ETYPTIANS ETC. AS ARABS…this is something that needs to be understood.

    and Syrians, Iraqis, Iranians, etc. all HATE THE SAUDIAS and the ARABS to begin with..
    The arabs are still animals ..only rich animals…they only love themselves and consider themselves to be the only muslims living in the world worth a life

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  • @Anonymous
    The majority of Qatar's population is made up of non-Arab expatriates from the Third World, so they're already doing much more than anybody else to house the world's poor:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar#Demographics

    In 2013, Qatar's total population was 1.8 million; 278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates.[11] Qatari nationals are merely 13% of the population. Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar's population. Indians are the largest expatriate community, there were 545,000 Indians in 2013.[11] In addition, there were 341,000 Nepalis, 185,000 Filipinos, 137,000 Bangladeshis, 100,000 Sri Lankans and 90,000 Pakistanis among many other nationalities.[11]
     

    You mean exploit them in near slave labour conditions.

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  • No Flood for Oil.

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  • Isn’t it some kind of western liberal racist conceit to think that we can save the whole world of downtrodden brown people who could never ever help themselves?

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  • @Anon
    Where does the 260 billion figure come from? It sounds very dubious. Building a dozen stadiums and sprucing up already good infrastructure should not cost 260 billion. Where's everyone bullshit detector when it comes that number?

    Qatar invites the world to kick the ball around.

    Europe invites the world to kick its own people around.

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  • If you believed what you have written you would not have written it.

    Lesser diversity should know their place, and leave the “on the couch” stuff to their betters, like the Jews. It’s pretty laughable, even when Jews do it as well as it can be done.

    The expats vary from highly educated and compensated Western engineers and financial professionals to poor Indian laborers and Filipino maids, some of whom are undoubtedly abused. They are providing a living and housing for a lot of the world’s poor relative to their own native population.

    A modern virtual slave state with a fascist, (literally) enfranchised Caucasoid minority lording it over a (literally) disenfranchised non-white majority of wage slaves; your spin is cute.

    Not that I mind what they do, it’s their country, and they have a much better system than we have, but FFS.

    Europeans are always being told they must accept people from their former colonies as penance for their past sins. Though Euros ruled over parts of North Africa and the ME, isn’t there another former colonial power who ruled over those areas vastly longer, and who had closer cultural and religious ties to the natives too? In this case wouldn’t Turkey, not Europe, be the better fit as the former colonial power who must accept migrants from these former territories?

    By that logic, Israel should be invaded and conquered and forced into a one-state solution. They’re an ongoing colony, and their sins are current, with no end in sight. At the least, they should be forced to take in lots and lots of Syrian refugees.

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  • @mutecypher
    WWMD: What Would Muhammad Do?

    probably he would use the glorious art of Taqiya to smuggle his troops into the territory of the infidels

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  • @Lagertha
    In an earlier, different post, when I wrote that Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, etc. should build cities for all the current migrants in crises trying to get to Europe (and the ones en route) on their lands is because I have known about the absurdity of building these arenas for several years - many men have died building these things - like the the Pyramids of the past. Also, did you know that FIFA is still trying to negotiate with the wealthy European clubs to change THEIR schedule (which screws up their cup and their leagues' schedules) in order to have the WCup in the winter months at the Qatar stadiums/arenas because the air conditioning idea is now, officially, epic fail?! Global warming cognoscenti were not happy about the idea of having giant air conditioners keeping the stadiums cool with the usual summer temps of 110'F going on as you walk back to your hotel after the game.

    Also, did you know that FIFA is still trying to negotiate with the wealthy European clubs to change THEIR schedule…

    Which reminds me… anyone familiar with MLS know why they went with the insane idea to have a single soccer league for the whole United States, and southern Canada to boot?

    In Europe, the warmer countries play in the winter, and the cooler ones in the summer. We should do the same. Around the solstices, it’s either too hot in the Sunbelt or too cold in the Rust Belt. We really should have two separate, climate-friendly leagues.

    Also, a winter competition in the South would give Southern sports fans something to watch other than NFL and NBA, which have devolved into “Watch Mandingo cripple all comers.” Ice hockey just isn’t catching on.

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  • @Vendetta
    They could have put the first Muslim on the moon for the price of that stadium.

    They could have put the first Muslim on the moon for the price of that stadium.

    How much would it cost to send the entire billion there? Economies of scale should help.

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  • @ABN

    Over 10,000 Icelanders have gone on Facebook to open their homes to inbred Syrian Muslims, who will be, according to the Minister of Welfare, ‘our future spouses, best friends, our next soul mate, the drummer in our children’s band, our next colleague, Miss Iceland 2022, the carpenter who finally fixes our bathroom, the chef in the cafeteria, the fireman, the hacker and the television host.’
     
    Microaggression! Microaggression! Why does the Muslim have to be the drummer? Isn't that the least intelligent figure in a band, on average? Why can't the Muslim be the front man or lead guitarist? Or a soulful singer-songwriter?

    On a more serious note, it seems that one of the characteristics of the cat lady thought process is an inability to recognize opportunity costs. All of those social and economic roles could be filled by Icelanders--the ones who exist and the ones who might come into existence if the job of populating the country were not outsourced to strangers. Having a Syrian future spouse, best friend, or soul mate means not having an Icelandic one. But why consider alternative scenarios when you're already getting lots of warm fuzzy feelings considering just one?

    One more thing--if it were really about helping refugees, why go all-in with the assimilationist rhetoric about how these people will become part of the fabric of Iceland forever and ever? If the objective were to help refugees, why not just say "We'll pay to help settle them in country x" or "They can stay temporarily but they can't vote, naturalize, etc. while they're here as our guests. They'll have to go home when the war is over or move to another host country if the war isn't over after x years."

    One almost gets the feeling that it's less about providing practical, temporary assistance to refugees than it is about implementing a grand ideological project of national dissolution. Syria had weaponized gas; European leaders have weaponized Syrians.

    One more thing–if it were really about helping refugees, why go all-in with the assimilationist rhetoric about how these people will become part of the fabric of Iceland forever and ever?

    Dude, wtf, what about the diversity???? There’s no more diversity if these guys become tanned Icelanders.

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  • @iSteveFan

    And an 8-foot barbed wire fence can hardly be described as a “giant wall”.
     
    Maybe not, but that fence probably seems like a giant wall when you have security forces willing to shoot anyone who tries to breach it. That fact alone probably adds another 20 feet.

    But to police the border, India's Border Security Force (BSF), has carried out a shoot-to-kill policy – even on unarmed local villagers. The toll has been huge. Over the past 10 years Indian security forces have killed almost 1,000 people, mostly Bangladeshis, turning the border area into a south Asian killing fields.
     

    Funny how you never hear a squeak about this from same quarters who just love to stick the boot into Europeans.

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  • @Anonymous
    They are the 'same people' in the sense that, instinctively, white Americans feel themselves to be the 'same people' as Belgians or Dutchmen.
    Furthermore, both nations were under the same government for centuries. There are strong genetic links between the two nations. And, of course, there is religion and culture.

    Furthermore, both nations were under the same government for centuries.

    Europeans are always being told they must accept people from their former colonies as penance for their past sins. Though Euros ruled over parts of North Africa and the ME, isn’t there another former colonial power who ruled over those areas vastly longer, and who had closer cultural and religious ties to the natives too? In this case wouldn’t Turkey, not Europe, be the better fit as the former colonial power who must accept migrants from these former territories?

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  • @Numinous

    India has a giant wall & moat around Bangladesh.
     
    A moat? Where? Links?

    And an 8-foot barbed wire fence can hardly be described as a "giant wall".

    And an 8-foot barbed wire fence can hardly be described as a “giant wall”.

    Maybe not, but that fence probably seems like a giant wall when you have security forces willing to shoot anyone who tries to breach it. That fact alone probably adds another 20 feet.

    But to police the border, India’s Border Security Force (BSF), has carried out a shoot-to-kill policy – even on unarmed local villagers. The toll has been huge. Over the past 10 years Indian security forces have killed almost 1,000 people, mostly Bangladeshis, turning the border area into a south Asian killing fields.

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  • @Chrisnonymous
    Baathism was about being anti-Shia and anti-neighbor, not anti-West. If the US had decided to back Sadaam Hussein full-born against Iran, he would have welcomed us.

    Anyway, I think the phrase "278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates" is quite significant. I know a NYC police officer who went to Qatar to teach martial arts...
    http://www.dohaaikido.com/contact.html

    Although he makes a pretty penny for a retiree with no marketable skills, he isn't a citizen of Qatar, or in any way integrated into "Qatarian society," or whatever you call it.
    __________________________
    What's puzzling you?

    No marketable skills in the 1st world but in the land of 80IQ Arabs a white high school drop out is king. Is there any muslim nation that has running water but lacks oil?

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  • @Anonymous
    One thing I've noticed about Arab women, particularly Levantine women, is that they all have a big thing about tough alpha male types.
    Military uniforms, moustaches, toughness and brutality, it all does it for them.

    I once did a French language summer school in Boulogne in the 1970s also attended by a big group of stunning Lebanese girls. Luckily their French was much better than mine so I didn’t have the embarrassment of not being able to stop staring at them in class.

    Anyway they all ignored me entirely. Perhaps I should have worn a uniform.

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  • @The Albino Sasquatch
    "Their Third World Brides will come later" - not necessarily - according to the Icelanders - and from accounts I've read in Germany & Austria - the women there are eager for a shot of coffee in their cream.

    Some will marry Westerners, yes. But when they find out how self-centered and demanding white women are, and how they refuse to have more than one or two children (if that many) then they’ll import their own Third World brides, who will be all but slaves to them and breed like rabbits.

    There are whole communities in Europe that double their population each generation just from imported husbands and brides.

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  • @Numinous

    India has a giant wall & moat around Bangladesh.
     
    A moat? Where? Links?

    And an 8-foot barbed wire fence can hardly be described as a "giant wall".

    I am still looking for the Moat references I saw.
    The following references a border moat at the ancient city of Gaur but the references I saw were more modern.

    https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/asia-indian-subcontinent/topics/from-west-bengal-to-bangladesh/compact

    Also this talks of moats:

    http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2010/06/24/bdr-bsf-holds-fruitful-meet

    I don’t think you can deny this 4000 kilometre border is a serious effort:

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/indias-shoot-to-kill-policy-on-the-bangladesh-border.18447/

    ^^ If you noticed on the link, there are a lot of Brits who actually applaud BSF’s thinking and strategy. They are asking the British government to learn from BSF to stop illegal Paki immigration. LOL! I was expecting this after the Brown government turned UK into mini-Pakistan. BTW, As a northeastern Indian, I 100% support shoot to kill orders of illegal immigrants.
    Bangladesh is a country that was created out for Bangladeshis and they chose to remain independent of India to call it their land. Fine with us. Hence it is not our responsibility to take care of their terrorist mulla scumbags that come into our territory catching the bigot Communist-Secular-fascist train to quick election victory.

    http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/politics/article/india-bangladesh-the-other-wall.html

    In 1993, the wall was built; this line of demarcation is an endless succession of barbed wire rows, concrete and bricks. It extends the whole length of the border between India and Bangladesh. On either sides of the wall, a zone of nearly 150 metres is supposed to constitute a no man’s land. 220,000 soldiers of the Indian Border Security Force (BSF) and 70,000 of their counterparts with the Border Guard Bangladesh (BGB) patrol day and night to ensure the wall, which is the longest geopolitical barrier in the world, remains unbreeched. The cost of the construction of this wall totals up to $4 billion USD. Since 1993, its maintenance has increased the bill by another $1 billion USD.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/india-bangladesh-border-berlin-wall-asia-702454

    HRW estimates that Indian border officers have killed almost 1,000 people at the Bangladesh-West Bengal border over the past decade (including both Bangladeshi and Indian nationals)…

    Aside from smugglers India must contend with huge waves of illegal immigration from Bangladesh. Thus, some people in India’s state of West Bengal — beleaguered by a massive influx of Bangladeshis ever since the 1971 war of independence — likely turn a blind eye to unconfirmed reports of BSF forces shooting hundreds of migrants on sight.
    India is presently constructing a 2,500-mile border barrier made of concrete and barbed wire to put an end to all illegal immigration from Bangladesh. The project is said to cost $1.2 billion and there is no completion date yet.

    Also:

    http://www.intelligencebriefs.com/tunisia-joins-kenya-and-israel-in-building-moat-border-walls-to-heighten-security-against-terrorist-invasion/

    http://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-is-building-a-600-mile-great-wall-to-shield-from-isis-2015-1

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205724/How-65-countries-erected-security-walls-borders.html

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  • @5371
    Since Turkey has played the largest role in starting and sustaining this war, there is no number of refugees at which they have a right to complain.

    > Since Turkey has played the largest role in starting and sustaining this war,
    > there is no number of refugees at which they have a right to complain.

    Has Turkey really played the largest role? It did play some role, so perhaps you are right.

    Similarly, I’m sure you’ll agree that, since the US played a large role starting and sustaining the Syrian war, a major role in starting and sustaining the Libyan disaster, and by far the largest role in starting and sustaining the Iraq apocalypse which started this whole mess, there is no number of refugees from the Middle East and North Africa at which the US has a right to complain.

    FYI the number of internal and external refugees in Syria alone approaches half the population, around 10 million. If you add the Iraqi and Libyan refugees,* well… You’d better start setting up some tents, and don’t let me hear you complain! As for all the needless deaths, I’m sure you’re very sorry.

    *(Oops I forgot Afghanistan, Ukraine, …)

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  • https://8ch.net/pol/res/3168616.html

    its been called “Project: Settlers of Qatarn”

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  • I’ve posted your idea on 8chan’s /pol/ (sorry).

    They like the idea and we might make a few images and put them on twitter.

    What has been written so far:

    Persuasion Strategies:
    - The Left HATE big money, corruption, oil money. They also hate poor children dieing at sea. They also hate soccer (masculinity, pride, camaraderie, has winners and losers).
    - No need for migrant children to have to drown crossing the sea – Qatar is nearby
    - Corrupt world cup is CANCELLED
    - They have the money and the space. These migrants are just trying to escape their war torn countries, not get benefits: Qatar is safe and not at risk of war!
    - Help reverse Misogyny in Qatar / Saudi Arabia
    - Save the lives of workers who are dieing in order to prepare the world cup.
    - Women wont have to lose attention from their partners who want to watch lots of football matches in 2022, which is a european form of misogyny that is felt by all women, #yesallwomen.

    Results:
    - Raise awareness that Europe is not the only place these migrants can go.
    - Increase pressure for our governments to get more to go to arab countries

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @km
    No need. They can all go to Iceland. Over 10,000 Icelanders have gone on Facebook to open their homes to inbred Syrian Muslims, who will be, according to the Minister of Welfare, 'our future spouses, best friends, our next soul mate, the drummer in our children’s band, our next colleague, Miss Iceland 2022, the carpenter who finally fixes our bathroom, the chef in the cafeteria, the fireman, the hacker and the television host.' One single mother proclaims herself a teacher who wants to teach a little Mideastern moppet 'to speak, read and write Icelandic and adjust to Icelandic society.' Of course, this is what Muslims do best! Is there another more remarkable case of the brain rot that attends upon easy living? Let this be definitive proof that, without any Jews required, many whites, especially white women, after growing up in peaceful homogeneous societies and with countless counter-examples to act as warning, are more than eager of their own accord to throw away their inheritance to fulfil personal fantasies of moral righteousness.

    Is there another more remarkable case of the brain rot that attends upon easy living?

    It certainly appears that two-three generations of prosperity and material wealth inevitably leads to decadence and a tendency towards self-extinction. The poorer countries seem to lack this suicidal impulse. It must be something in the nature of people that striving keeps them healthy but easy living decays them.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I well remember the 7/7 bombings in London, and the last video testament of one of the bombers’ a so-called ‘British’ Pakistani.
    Anyway, he ranted at that dipshit Blair – genuine no limits immigrationist – about the latter’s shitheaded support for George W. Bush’s Iraq adventure.
    ‘You kuffar!’ – he spat – ‘Stop killing MY people’, ‘as you kill my people, I will kill yours’ ie Britons.
    Now, why can’t others of his ilk have a quick chin wag with Gulf authorities and sort something out for ‘his people’.

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  • @Bill B.
    India has a giant wall & moat around Bangladesh. Saudi Arabia is building a hi-tech wall against Iraq. China built the world's longest wall against barbarians thousands of years ago. The Romans built a wall to keep the Scots out 2,000 years ago. Israel has a very tall fence to keep out Africans and if that doesn't work baton and bean bag rounds.

    Walls are in, mate.

    India has a giant wall & moat around Bangladesh.

    A moat? Where? Links?

    And an 8-foot barbed wire fence can hardly be described as a “giant wall”.

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    I am still looking for the Moat references I saw.
    The following references a border moat at the ancient city of Gaur but the references I saw were more modern.

    https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/asia-indian-subcontinent/topics/from-west-bengal-to-bangladesh/compact
    Also this talks of moats:
    http://bdnews24.com/bangladesh/2010/06/24/bdr-bsf-holds-fruitful-meet

    I don't think you can deny this 4000 kilometre border is a serious effort:

    http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/indias-shoot-to-kill-policy-on-the-bangladesh-border.18447/

    ^^ If you noticed on the link, there are a lot of Brits who actually applaud BSF's thinking and strategy. They are asking the British government to learn from BSF to stop illegal Paki immigration. LOL! I was expecting this after the Brown government turned UK into mini-Pakistan. BTW, As a northeastern Indian, I 100% support shoot to kill orders of illegal immigrants.
    Bangladesh is a country that was created out for Bangladeshis and they chose to remain independent of India to call it their land. Fine with us. Hence it is not our responsibility to take care of their terrorist mulla scumbags that come into our territory catching the bigot Communist-Secular-fascist train to quick election victory.

    http://www.cafebabel.co.uk/politics/article/india-bangladesh-the-other-wall.html

    In 1993, the wall was built; this line of demarcation is an endless succession of barbed wire rows, concrete and bricks. It extends the whole length of the border between India and Bangladesh. On either sides of the wall, a zone of nearly 150 metres is supposed to constitute a no man’s land. 220,000 soldiers of the Indian Border Security Force (BSF) and 70,000 of their counterparts with the Border Guard Bangladesh (BGB) patrol day and night to ensure the wall, which is the longest geopolitical barrier in the world, remains unbreeched. The cost of the construction of this wall totals up to $4 billion USD. Since 1993, its maintenance has increased the bill by another $1 billion USD.

    http://www.ibtimes.com/india-bangladesh-border-berlin-wall-asia-702454

    HRW estimates that Indian border officers have killed almost 1,000 people at the Bangladesh-West Bengal border over the past decade (including both Bangladeshi and Indian nationals)...

    Aside from smugglers India must contend with huge waves of illegal immigration from Bangladesh. Thus, some people in India's state of West Bengal -- beleaguered by a massive influx of Bangladeshis ever since the 1971 war of independence -- likely turn a blind eye to unconfirmed reports of BSF forces shooting hundreds of migrants on sight.
    India is presently constructing a 2,500-mile border barrier made of concrete and barbed wire to put an end to all illegal immigration from Bangladesh. The project is said to cost $1.2 billion and there is no completion date yet.

    Also:

    http://www.intelligencebriefs.com/tunisia-joins-kenya-and-israel-in-building-moat-border-walls-to-heighten-security-against-terrorist-invasion/
    http://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-arabia-is-building-a-600-mile-great-wall-to-shield-from-isis-2015-1
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3205724/How-65-countries-erected-security-walls-borders.html
    , @iSteveFan

    And an 8-foot barbed wire fence can hardly be described as a “giant wall”.
     
    Maybe not, but that fence probably seems like a giant wall when you have security forces willing to shoot anyone who tries to breach it. That fact alone probably adds another 20 feet.

    But to police the border, India's Border Security Force (BSF), has carried out a shoot-to-kill policy – even on unarmed local villagers. The toll has been huge. Over the past 10 years Indian security forces have killed almost 1,000 people, mostly Bangladeshis, turning the border area into a south Asian killing fields.
     
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  • @mutecypher
    WWMD: What Would Muhammad Do?

    Molest somebody.

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  • @Bill B.
    Not really. Arabs don't really do politics. What they have are cycles of challenges for power. Arabs understand power. That is why Saddam needed to wink-wink to the region about having some WMDs somewhere.

    David Pryce-Jones's The Closed Circle is good on this if you can find it.

    Islam is the only alternative to a tyrant of some kind and even that can be unstable unless buried in sloth and hopelessness. Saudi Arabia spreads Wahhabism, which is a playing card's width away from what ISIS believe in, around the world as a domestic distraction. You want power? Go fund a mega-Mosque somewhere; or bring down the Twin Towers; but don't rattle your cage here. Qatar has a population the size of a Shanghai Housing estate but chooses to spend its vast wealth sowing destruction and division in a world it considers made up of racial inferiors and potential rivals.

    Democracy and nationalism here are but lipstick on a turd. It doesn't work very well and it doesn't last very long.

    One thing I’ve noticed about Arab women, particularly Levantine women, is that they all have a big thing about tough alpha male types.
    Military uniforms, moustaches, toughness and brutality, it all does it for them.

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    I once did a French language summer school in Boulogne in the 1970s also attended by a big group of stunning Lebanese girls. Luckily their French was much better than mine so I didn't have the embarrassment of not being able to stop staring at them in class.

    Anyway they all ignored me entirely. Perhaps I should have worn a uniform.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Just suppose that the 1965 Immigration Act was never passed, and furthermore, none of the ‘civil rights’ BS of that era ever got any traction.
    Imagine, if you will, that at this day, the USA was still the Wasp dominated nation of old.
    Imagine, again, that somehow a bloody civil war had erupted in a still ethnic Belgian Belgium.

    Then, it would be likely that the USA would offer any Belgians who sought it refuge, purely on the emotive and instinct grounds that ‘they are our people’.
    Such a nation, though, would not make the same offer to Africans or Syrians.

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  • @5371
    Since Turkey has played the largest role in starting and sustaining this war, there is no number of refugees at which they have a right to complain.

    That was my point. Nobody in the MSM says anything about Turkey taking action to avoid kids drowning on their shores. David Cameron several thousand miles away must do something.

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  • @Zachary Latif
    I was in Istanbul last week since a few friends were there for a big Persian wedding on the coast. Everywhere my friend and I went we were asked if we were "Arabi."

    Turkey has absorbed huge waves of Syrians, it's always been a polyglot and frankly I found the Turks an extraordinarily sensible people much more so than European bleeding heart liberals, who don't seem to grasp basic demographics.

    Funnily enough I was Istanbul the week before that. Our taxi driver was very negative towards the Syrian refugees (they helped cause) and also to the super rich Arabs summering in Istanbul.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @European-American
    > Turks are basically the same people as the Syrians.

    Perhaps the commenting policy needs to become a little more Razibian.

    The signal-to-noise ratio of these threads is decreasing.

    I don't have much original thought to contribute, and enjoy reading Steve and others' insights. But the stink of bs here is getting overpowering.

    ….and anyway, a good Muslim is supposed to never make ‘racial’ or ‘national’ distinctions between one Muslim and another Muslim, supposedly they must treat each other as brothers. But between the kuffar and Muslims, that’s a different story. What Isis are doing to Yazidi girls is perfectly permissible.
    Historically and traditionally, Turkey always saw itself as the leader and champion of Muslims everywhere.
    In this sense, at least, giving shelter to Syrians is ‘looking after your own’.

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  • @European-American
    > Why isn’t Turkey holding some responsibility here?

    > Why arent they ever called upon the provide refugee safe havens?

    Turkey has 2 million Syrian refugees.
    http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=224

    It's regrettable when commenting here becomes an echo chamber for people to say and read stuff unrelated to reality.

    Since Turkey has played the largest role in starting and sustaining this war, there is no number of refugees at which they have a right to complain.

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    That was my point. Nobody in the MSM says anything about Turkey taking action to avoid kids drowning on their shores. David Cameron several thousand miles away must do something.
    , @European-American
    > Since Turkey has played the largest role in starting and sustaining this war,
    > there is no number of refugees at which they have a right to complain.

    Has Turkey really played the largest role? It did play some role, so perhaps you are right.

    Similarly, I'm sure you'll agree that, since the US played a large role starting and sustaining the Syrian war, a major role in starting and sustaining the Libyan disaster, and by far the largest role in starting and sustaining the Iraq apocalypse which started this whole mess, there is no number of refugees from the Middle East and North Africa at which the US has a right to complain.

    FYI the number of internal and external refugees in Syria alone approaches half the population, around 10 million. If you add the Iraqi and Libyan refugees,* well... You'd better start setting up some tents, and don't let me hear you complain! As for all the needless deaths, I'm sure you're very sorry.

    *(Oops I forgot Afghanistan, Ukraine, ...)

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  • @Ben H
    By the way are the asylum seekers really seeking asylum. In most of the pictures the 'migrants' from Syria (actually is sounds like a lot of others too in including Afghans) are a bunch of young men. If they were war refugees you'd expect more women, children and elderly. In that truck where so many dies in Austria, 53 of the 71 people were men. There is so much we are not being told (big surprise). You'd think there would be a market for at least one news source that would provide accurate information instead of propaganda.

    And more than half of Syria’s population is under 18.

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  • @Anonymous
    Most of Turkey's genetics are Levantine and Anatolian.

    The language is currently different between Turkey and Syria, but the genetics aren’t very: it’s all Fertile Crescent farmers from 10,000 years ago.

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  • @Maj. Kong
    The Turkic peoples originated in Central Asia, not Anatolia. They are not Arabs, which Syrians are.

    There is a small Alawi minority in Turkey, alongside the one in Syria. The French in the 1920s had a plan for an Alawi state, but it was never put into action for geopolitical and nationalist reasons.

    Genetic studies tell us that only a very small portion of Turkish genetics can be attributed to central Asian Turks.
    However, they do ‘genetically cluster and overlap’ strongly with Syrians.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @European-American
    > Turks are basically the same people as the Syrians.

    Perhaps the commenting policy needs to become a little more Razibian.

    The signal-to-noise ratio of these threads is decreasing.

    I don't have much original thought to contribute, and enjoy reading Steve and others' insights. But the stink of bs here is getting overpowering.

    They are the ‘same people’ in the sense that, instinctively, white Americans feel themselves to be the ‘same people’ as Belgians or Dutchmen.
    Furthermore, both nations were under the same government for centuries. There are strong genetic links between the two nations. And, of course, there is religion and culture.

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    Furthermore, both nations were under the same government for centuries.
     
    Europeans are always being told they must accept people from their former colonies as penance for their past sins. Though Euros ruled over parts of North Africa and the ME, isn't there another former colonial power who ruled over those areas vastly longer, and who had closer cultural and religious ties to the natives too? In this case wouldn't Turkey, not Europe, be the better fit as the former colonial power who must accept migrants from these former territories?
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  • @Anonymous
    Brutally suppressing and crushing internal dissension is critical to developing solidarity and nationalism. The ideological and political infrastructure to implement Arab solidarity and nationalism was challenged and attacked by the US because it was regarded as hostile to its interests.

    Not really. Arabs don’t really do politics. What they have are cycles of challenges for power. Arabs understand power. That is why Saddam needed to wink-wink to the region about having some WMDs somewhere.

    David Pryce-Jones’s The Closed Circle is good on this if you can find it.

    Islam is the only alternative to a tyrant of some kind and even that can be unstable unless buried in sloth and hopelessness. Saudi Arabia spreads Wahhabism, which is a playing card’s width away from what ISIS believe in, around the world as a domestic distraction. You want power? Go fund a mega-Mosque somewhere; or bring down the Twin Towers; but don’t rattle your cage here. Qatar has a population the size of a Shanghai Housing estate but chooses to spend its vast wealth sowing destruction and division in a world it considers made up of racial inferiors and potential rivals.

    Democracy and nationalism here are but lipstick on a turd. It doesn’t work very well and it doesn’t last very long.

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    One thing I've noticed about Arab women, particularly Levantine women, is that they all have a big thing about tough alpha male types.
    Military uniforms, moustaches, toughness and brutality, it all does it for them.
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  • @Maj. Kong
    The Turkic peoples originated in Central Asia, not Anatolia. They are not Arabs, which Syrians are.

    There is a small Alawi minority in Turkey, alongside the one in Syria. The French in the 1920s had a plan for an Alawi state, but it was never put into action for geopolitical and nationalist reasons.

    Most of Turkey’s genetics are Levantine and Anatolian.

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    The language is currently different between Turkey and Syria, but the genetics aren't very: it's all Fertile Crescent farmers from 10,000 years ago.
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  • The Beeb’s got the answer bro:

    Migrant crisis: Why Syrians do not flee to Gulf states

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34132308

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  • @Anonymous
    Haha. You white boys suck. If you are so damn great then you wouldn't act like scared little pussies.


    Everyone white man I know with kids doesn't care about this shit. You know why? They have confidence and smarts . You guys are just losers .

    India has a giant wall & moat around Bangladesh. Saudi Arabia is building a hi-tech wall against Iraq. China built the world’s longest wall against barbarians thousands of years ago. The Romans built a wall to keep the Scots out 2,000 years ago. Israel has a very tall fence to keep out Africans and if that doesn’t work baton and bean bag rounds.

    Walls are in, mate.

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    India has a giant wall & moat around Bangladesh.
     
    A moat? Where? Links?

    And an 8-foot barbed wire fence can hardly be described as a "giant wall".
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    The expats vary from highly educated and compensated Western engineers and financial professionals to poor Indian laborers and Filipino maids, some of whom are undoubtedly abused. They are providing a living and housing for a lot of the world's poor relative to their own native population.

    Yes.
    But the point is the are only interested in ‘housing the world’s poor’ as long as those ‘poor’ work for them. Once they are not able to work, the Arabs have no further use for them – and out they go.
    It’s no coincidence that these nations described were amongst the very last in the world to give up slavery.

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  • @Anonymous
    Turks are basically the same people as the Syrians.
    So if they refused to help, it would be like your brother refusing to take you in if you were made homeless.
    However, there is a real religious, cultural, historical and dare I say it racial gap between Syrians and Europeans.

    The Turkic peoples originated in Central Asia, not Anatolia. They are not Arabs, which Syrians are.

    There is a small Alawi minority in Turkey, alongside the one in Syria. The French in the 1920s had a plan for an Alawi state, but it was never put into action for geopolitical and nationalist reasons.

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    Most of Turkey's genetics are Levantine and Anatolian.
    , @Anonymous
    Genetic studies tell us that only a very small portion of Turkish genetics can be attributed to central Asian Turks.
    However, they do 'genetically cluster and overlap' strongly with Syrians.
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  • @Anon
    Where does the 260 billion figure come from? It sounds very dubious. Building a dozen stadiums and sprucing up already good infrastructure should not cost 260 billion. Where's everyone bullshit detector when it comes that number?

    Here is a source from 2011 that puts the budget at $253 billion (stadia + transport + new city). That is arrived at by converting Pound Sterling at 1.53 per dollar which may have been different than the rate used for the $260 figure.

    In any case it would be quite a surprise if a $253 billion budget in 2011 wasn’t well above $350 billion or so by the end of all construction in 2022.

    And why not convert that planned new city into a refugee city?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/8749931/Qatar-World-Cup-in-2022-could-cost-138-billion-according-to-financial-analyst.html

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  • @TWS
    There are entirely vast nearly empty places in Saudi Arabia. It must be cheaper to keep them there than Europe. Same thing for North Africa. There's plenty of room in Morocco Chad, etc. The EU should pay to take them all to places in North Africa and SA.

    I understand that the British proposed a holding camp in Egypt but the other Europeans didn’t seem interested.

    The Egyptians could probably use the money if they’d go for it.

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  • @Anonymous
    About 2 million Palestinian refugees live in Jordan, which has a total population of about 8 million.

    Very few of those 2 million were alive in 1948. I presume that Jordan doesn’t apply Jus Soli, like we are forced to.

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  • @Anonymous
    Turks are basically the same people as the Syrians.
    So if they refused to help, it would be like your brother refusing to take you in if you were made homeless.
    However, there is a real religious, cultural, historical and dare I say it racial gap between Syrians and Europeans.

    > Turks are basically the same people as the Syrians.

    Perhaps the commenting policy needs to become a little more Razibian.

    The signal-to-noise ratio of these threads is decreasing.

    I don’t have much original thought to contribute, and enjoy reading Steve and others’ insights. But the stink of bs here is getting overpowering.

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    They are the 'same people' in the sense that, instinctively, white Americans feel themselves to be the 'same people' as Belgians or Dutchmen.
    Furthermore, both nations were under the same government for centuries. There are strong genetic links between the two nations. And, of course, there is religion and culture.
    , @Anonymous
    ....and anyway, a good Muslim is supposed to never make 'racial' or 'national' distinctions between one Muslim and another Muslim, supposedly they must treat each other as brothers. But between the kuffar and Muslims, that's a different story. What Isis are doing to Yazidi girls is perfectly permissible.
    Historically and traditionally, Turkey always saw itself as the leader and champion of Muslims everywhere.
    In this sense, at least, giving shelter to Syrians is 'looking after your own'.
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  • @Anon
    Where does the 260 billion figure come from? It sounds very dubious. Building a dozen stadiums and sprucing up already good infrastructure should not cost 260 billion. Where's everyone bullshit detector when it comes that number?

    “Where’s everyone bullshit detector when it comes that number?”

    Back in the garage.

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  • @Blah
    Why isn't Turkey holding some responsibility here? The Syrian kid who drowned (pic on Drudge via UK Independent) was leaving from Turkey to get to Greece. Are the Turks fellow Muslims? They have a somewhat modern economy. Why arent they ever called upon the provide refugee safe havens?

    I was in Istanbul last week since a few friends were there for a big Persian wedding on the coast. Everywhere my friend and I went we were asked if we were “Arabi.”

    Turkey has absorbed huge waves of Syrians, it’s always been a polyglot and frankly I found the Turks an extraordinarily sensible people much more so than European bleeding heart liberals, who don’t seem to grasp basic demographics.

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    Funnily enough I was Istanbul the week before that. Our taxi driver was very negative towards the Syrian refugees (they helped cause) and also to the super rich Arabs summering in Istanbul.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @European-American
    > Why isn’t Turkey holding some responsibility here?

    > Why arent they ever called upon the provide refugee safe havens?

    Turkey has 2 million Syrian refugees.
    http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=224

    It's regrettable when commenting here becomes an echo chamber for people to say and read stuff unrelated to reality.

    Turks are basically the same people as the Syrians.
    So if they refused to help, it would be like your brother refusing to take you in if you were made homeless.
    However, there is a real religious, cultural, historical and dare I say it racial gap between Syrians and Europeans.

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    > Turks are basically the same people as the Syrians.

    Perhaps the commenting policy needs to become a little more Razibian.

    The signal-to-noise ratio of these threads is decreasing.

    I don't have much original thought to contribute, and enjoy reading Steve and others' insights. But the stink of bs here is getting overpowering.

    , @Maj. Kong
    The Turkic peoples originated in Central Asia, not Anatolia. They are not Arabs, which Syrians are.

    There is a small Alawi minority in Turkey, alongside the one in Syria. The French in the 1920s had a plan for an Alawi state, but it was never put into action for geopolitical and nationalist reasons.
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  • Where does the 260 billion figure come from? It sounds very dubious. Building a dozen stadiums and sprucing up already good infrastructure should not cost 260 billion. Where’s everyone bullshit detector when it comes that number?

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    "Where’s everyone bullshit detector when it comes that number?"

    Back in the garage.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryy-KIAqL2Y
    , @Shine a Light
    Here is a source from 2011 that puts the budget at $253 billion (stadia + transport + new city). That is arrived at by converting Pound Sterling at 1.53 per dollar which may have been different than the rate used for the $260 figure.

    In any case it would be quite a surprise if a $253 billion budget in 2011 wasn't well above $350 billion or so by the end of all construction in 2022.

    And why not convert that planned new city into a refugee city?


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/8749931/Qatar-World-Cup-in-2022-could-cost-138-billion-according-to-financial-analyst.html
    , @Priss Factor
    Qatar invites the world to kick the ball around.

    Europe invites the world to kick its own people around.
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  • @wren
    Hey! How come Al Jazeera is not covering this? 260 billion with a b?

    Workers paid $50 a week and 4,000 of them expected to die building this edifice.

    Why they are not helping these poor migrants is a very, very good question.

    Perhaps pitting the 4000 who died building these monstrosities as gladiators fighting to the death against each other, in the stadiums they built, would be more honest and noteworthy.

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  • @Anonymous
    The majority of Qatar's population is made up of non-Arab expatriates from the Third World, so they're already doing much more than anybody else to house the world's poor:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar#Demographics

    In 2013, Qatar's total population was 1.8 million; 278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates.[11] Qatari nationals are merely 13% of the population. Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar's population. Indians are the largest expatriate community, there were 545,000 Indians in 2013.[11] In addition, there were 341,000 Nepalis, 185,000 Filipinos, 137,000 Bangladeshis, 100,000 Sri Lankans and 90,000 Pakistanis among many other nationalities.[11]
     

    True.
    But once the Arabs have got the work out of them, then it’s back off home, with nary as much as a dime’s social security entitlement.

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  • @km
    No need. They can all go to Iceland. Over 10,000 Icelanders have gone on Facebook to open their homes to inbred Syrian Muslims, who will be, according to the Minister of Welfare, 'our future spouses, best friends, our next soul mate, the drummer in our children’s band, our next colleague, Miss Iceland 2022, the carpenter who finally fixes our bathroom, the chef in the cafeteria, the fireman, the hacker and the television host.' One single mother proclaims herself a teacher who wants to teach a little Mideastern moppet 'to speak, read and write Icelandic and adjust to Icelandic society.' Of course, this is what Muslims do best! Is there another more remarkable case of the brain rot that attends upon easy living? Let this be definitive proof that, without any Jews required, many whites, especially white women, after growing up in peaceful homogeneous societies and with countless counter-examples to act as warning, are more than eager of their own accord to throw away their inheritance to fulfil personal fantasies of moral righteousness.

    In the 17th century, Muslim slaving parties regularly raided Iceland, and took Icelandic slaves back to the slave marts of north Africa.

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  • @International Jew
    Ha, good luck getting Arabs to take in other Arabs. If that happened, the Palestinians wouldn't be in their 66th year of refugeehood.

    The ten million Germans who were chased out of East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia in '45 were absorbed promptly into Germany; there's no high-profile, big-budget, UN-blessed movement today to give those Germans a do-over.

    About 2 million Palestinian refugees live in Jordan, which has a total population of about 8 million.

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    Very few of those 2 million were alive in 1948. I presume that Jordan doesn't apply Jus Soli, like we are forced to.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Well said Steve.

    Truly ridiculous sums of money are being spent in the name of an overgrown child’s game, which desert Arabs have absolutely no tradition of playing.
    Madness.
    In fact Islam is strongly against human beings wasting their precious limited time on earth with the mere playing of games.
    What does it say of the Qatari Arabs that they would rather see their racial kinsmen and Muslim brothers drown in the Mediterranean than lift a finger to help them?

    If Gulf Arabs have this attitude towards Syrians, who let’s face it are the best representatives of their race in that they are a rather handsome intelligent people, can you just imagine what their attitude towards Bangladeshi, Pakistani, Indonesian or black Muslims must be?

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  • @Reg Cæsar
    "Arab solidarity" is an oxymoron.

    Brutally suppressing and crushing internal dissension is critical to developing solidarity and nationalism. The ideological and political infrastructure to implement Arab solidarity and nationalism was challenged and attacked by the US because it was regarded as hostile to its interests.

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    Not really. Arabs don't really do politics. What they have are cycles of challenges for power. Arabs understand power. That is why Saddam needed to wink-wink to the region about having some WMDs somewhere.

    David Pryce-Jones's The Closed Circle is good on this if you can find it.

    Islam is the only alternative to a tyrant of some kind and even that can be unstable unless buried in sloth and hopelessness. Saudi Arabia spreads Wahhabism, which is a playing card's width away from what ISIS believe in, around the world as a domestic distraction. You want power? Go fund a mega-Mosque somewhere; or bring down the Twin Towers; but don't rattle your cage here. Qatar has a population the size of a Shanghai Housing estate but chooses to spend its vast wealth sowing destruction and division in a world it considers made up of racial inferiors and potential rivals.

    Democracy and nationalism here are but lipstick on a turd. It doesn't work very well and it doesn't last very long.
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  • @Beach

    The majority of Qatar’s population is made up of non-Arab expatriates from the Third World, so they’re already doing much more than anybody else to house the world’s poor:
    ...
    In 2013, Qatar’s total population was 1.8 million; 278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates.[11] Qatari nationals are merely 13% of the population. Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar’s population. Indians are the largest expatriate community, there were 545,000 Indians in 2013.[11] In addition, there were 341,000 Nepalis, 185,000 Filipinos, 137,000 Bangladeshis, 100,000 Sri Lankans and 90,000 Pakistanis among many other nationalities.[11]

     

    Pull the other one, Anonymous. How many of those expats are servants in Qatari homes, working twelve hour days for spare change, in between getting sexually harassed and yelled at for eating a piece of fruit from the refrigerator? "Housing the world's poor" is a charitable take on proceedings, to say the least.

    http://www.dohastories.org/?p=153

    The expats vary from highly educated and compensated Western engineers and financial professionals to poor Indian laborers and Filipino maids, some of whom are undoubtedly abused. They are providing a living and housing for a lot of the world’s poor relative to their own native population.

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    Yes.
    But the point is the are only interested in 'housing the world's poor' as long as those 'poor' work for them. Once they are not able to work, the Arabs have no further use for them - and out they go.
    It's no coincidence that these nations described were amongst the very last in the world to give up slavery.
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  • The epic fail of the air conditioners has to do with the global warming cognoscenti and financial elites of Europe (The Davos group) realizing that they will be called on their bull since it is just so over-the-top absurd to give an exceedingly hot country the WorldCup when cooler ones were eager to be picked for that dance. Rule of thumb for sports TV: you don’t want to EVER have an athlete die while they are on-camera…kills the ratings and vibe, not to mention that it is macabre. Qatar was the wrong choice…but because, multiculturalism.

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  • In an earlier, different post, when I wrote that Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, Qatar, etc. should build cities for all the current migrants in crises trying to get to Europe (and the ones en route) on their lands is because I have known about the absurdity of building these arenas for several years – many men have died building these things – like the the Pyramids of the past. Also, did you know that FIFA is still trying to negotiate with the wealthy European clubs to change THEIR schedule (which screws up their cup and their leagues’ schedules) in order to have the WCup in the winter months at the Qatar stadiums/arenas because the air conditioning idea is now, officially, epic fail?! Global warming cognoscenti were not happy about the idea of having giant air conditioners keeping the stadiums cool with the usual summer temps of 110′F going on as you walk back to your hotel after the game.

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    Also, did you know that FIFA is still trying to negotiate with the wealthy European clubs to change THEIR schedule...
     
    Which reminds me... anyone familiar with MLS know why they went with the insane idea to have a single soccer league for the whole United States, and southern Canada to boot?

    In Europe, the warmer countries play in the winter, and the cooler ones in the summer. We should do the same. Around the solstices, it's either too hot in the Sunbelt or too cold in the Rust Belt. We really should have two separate, climate-friendly leagues.

    Also, a winter competition in the South would give Southern sports fans something to watch other than NFL and NBA, which have devolved into "Watch Mandingo cripple all comers." Ice hockey just isn't catching on.
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  • Ha haa! You owe me, bro, big time! – And, I still stand by my comment in another post that the middle and lower middle class European soccer-heads will not be able to afford to come to Qatar…they’ll stay home and watch the games with a pint in their hands in their neighborhood pub because they are paying for the welfare of the million or so migrants now in their country. And, like (oh scheisse, the grammar/rhetoric police will get me!), I will get so much flak from regulars here for repeating: soccer is still the sport of the declasse’. I’ll be watching how Fox will deal with this: will they create fake people with a green screen to make up for not having anyone in the stands? And, I stand by my comments that the rich Arab countries must build cities (should force them to make them in the cool shapes of palm trees and countries and such from a few years ago) to house all the migrants from the middle east, maybe Africa, too, why not?

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  • Ha, good luck getting Arabs to take in other Arabs. If that happened, the Palestinians wouldn’t be in their 66th year of refugeehood.

    The ten million Germans who were chased out of East Prussia, Pomerania and Silesia in ’45 were absorbed promptly into Germany; there’s no high-profile, big-budget, UN-blessed movement today to give those Germans a do-over.

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    About 2 million Palestinian refugees live in Jordan, which has a total population of about 8 million.
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  • @Wilkey
    Watch the news reports and videos of the masses of "refugees," and note how overwhelmingly adult and male they are. These aren't refugees - they are people establishing a foothold on European soil. Their Third World brides will come later.

    Another thing: the rules should be that refugees should have to return after their countries are stabilized. These "refugees" clearly have no plans of ever going back.

    “Their Third World Brides will come later” – not necessarily – according to the Icelanders – and from accounts I’ve read in Germany & Austria – the women there are eager for a shot of coffee in their cream.

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    Some will marry Westerners, yes. But when they find out how self-centered and demanding white women are, and how they refuse to have more than one or two children (if that many) then they'll import their own Third World brides, who will be all but slaves to them and breed like rabbits.

    There are whole communities in Europe that double their population each generation just from imported husbands and brides.
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  • @Anonymous

    Why should these poor Arabs have to live under the thumb of white racist Europeans when their Arab brothers have plenty of money to construct them nice new homes in the Arab world?
     
    Well because the "white racist Europeans" - the elites anyway - along with the Israelis and diaspora Jewry would rather have Arab refugees in Europe than Arab solidarity and nationalism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baathism ) in the Middle East. Which is why they're trying to destroy the last remaining remnants of Baathism in the Middle East right now, and why they'll try to leverage the current refugee crisis to finally build up enough support to bomb or invade Syria.

    “Arab solidarity” is an oxymoron.

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    Brutally suppressing and crushing internal dissension is critical to developing solidarity and nationalism. The ideological and political infrastructure to implement Arab solidarity and nationalism was challenged and attacked by the US because it was regarded as hostile to its interests.
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  • @European-American
    > Why isn’t Turkey holding some responsibility here?

    > Why arent they ever called upon the provide refugee safe havens?

    Turkey has 2 million Syrian refugees.
    http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=224

    It's regrettable when commenting here becomes an echo chamber for people to say and read stuff unrelated to reality.

    Turkey has 2 million Syrian refugees.

    Yeah, and they’re being treated as refugees, ie, expected to return home when the crisis is over. The ones bound for Europe are pseudorefugees, looking to make a few quid. Or euri.

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  • @wren
    Hey! How come Al Jazeera is not covering this? 260 billion with a b?

    Workers paid $50 a week and 4,000 of them expected to die building this edifice.

    Why they are not helping these poor migrants is a very, very good question.

    “Hey! How come Al Jazeera is not covering this? 260 billion with a b?”

    Yeah, you’re asking, “Gee, who funds Al Jazeera?” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera

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  • @Anonymous
    Haha. You white boys suck. If you are so damn great then you wouldn't act like scared little pussies.


    Everyone white man I know with kids doesn't care about this shit. You know why? They have confidence and smarts . You guys are just losers .

    If you believed what you have written you would not have written it.

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  • @Anonymous
    Haha. You white boys suck. If you are so damn great then you wouldn't act like scared little pussies.


    Everyone white man I know with kids doesn't care about this shit. You know why? They have confidence and smarts . You guys are just losers .

    Well they should care about their children’s future.

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  • @Anonymous
    The majority of Qatar's population is made up of non-Arab expatriates from the Third World, so they're already doing much more than anybody else to house the world's poor:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar#Demographics

    In 2013, Qatar's total population was 1.8 million; 278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates.[11] Qatari nationals are merely 13% of the population. Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar's population. Indians are the largest expatriate community, there were 545,000 Indians in 2013.[11] In addition, there were 341,000 Nepalis, 185,000 Filipinos, 137,000 Bangladeshis, 100,000 Sri Lankans and 90,000 Pakistanis among many other nationalities.[11]
     

    The majority of Qatar’s population is made up of non-Arab expatriates from the Third World, so they’re already doing much more than anybody else to house the world’s poor:

    In 2013, Qatar’s total population was 1.8 million; 278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates.[11] Qatari nationals are merely 13% of the population. Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar’s population. Indians are the largest expatriate community, there were 545,000 Indians in 2013.[11] In addition, there were 341,000 Nepalis, 185,000 Filipinos, 137,000 Bangladeshis, 100,000 Sri Lankans and 90,000 Pakistanis among many other nationalities.[11]

    Pull the other one, Anonymous. How many of those expats are servants in Qatari homes, working twelve hour days for spare change, in between getting sexually harassed and yelled at for eating a piece of fruit from the refrigerator? “Housing the world’s poor” is a charitable take on proceedings, to say the least.

    http://www.dohastories.org/?p=153

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    The expats vary from highly educated and compensated Western engineers and financial professionals to poor Indian laborers and Filipino maids, some of whom are undoubtedly abused. They are providing a living and housing for a lot of the world's poor relative to their own native population.
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  • @Chrisnonymous
    Baathism was about being anti-Shia and anti-neighbor, not anti-West. If the US had decided to back Sadaam Hussein full-born against Iran, he would have welcomed us.

    Anyway, I think the phrase "278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates" is quite significant. I know a NYC police officer who went to Qatar to teach martial arts...
    http://www.dohaaikido.com/contact.html

    Although he makes a pretty penny for a retiree with no marketable skills, he isn't a citizen of Qatar, or in any way integrated into "Qatarian society," or whatever you call it.
    __________________________
    What's puzzling you?

    Although he makes a pretty penny for a retiree with no marketable skills, he isn’t a citizen of Qatar, or in any way integrated into “Qatarian society,” or whatever you call it.

    Watch this documentary about Doha, Qatar. They start talking about identity around 38.20 but they get down to why those born to expats can’t be citizens at 40.23. Demographics would mean foreign influence. Developing the country would be a waste of time if you are just going to let foreigners take over.

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  • @Anonymous

    Why should these poor Arabs have to live under the thumb of white racist Europeans when their Arab brothers have plenty of money to construct them nice new homes in the Arab world?
     
    Well because the "white racist Europeans" - the elites anyway - along with the Israelis and diaspora Jewry would rather have Arab refugees in Europe than Arab solidarity and nationalism ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baathism ) in the Middle East. Which is why they're trying to destroy the last remaining remnants of Baathism in the Middle East right now, and why they'll try to leverage the current refugee crisis to finally build up enough support to bomb or invade Syria.

    “The Jews”/Israel don’t have a preference on where Syrian refugees should go. Trust me – we have enough other things to worry about. But I sure do wish we were as influential as some seem to think!

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  • “Why can’t the Muslim be the front man or lead guitarist? Or a soulful singer-songwriter?”

    Or why can’t a Muslim man be Miss Iceland 2022?

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  • @Anonymous
    Remember that these are Saudi and Gulf State elites, and they're elites because they've been backed by the US and the West, and they've been backed by the US and the West because they've been anti-Shia and anti-Arab nationalism/Baathism. If they were the kind of Arab elites to support Baathism, they wouldn't have been elites for long.

    Baathism was about being anti-Shia and anti-neighbor, not anti-West. If the US had decided to back Sadaam Hussein full-born against Iran, he would have welcomed us.

    Anyway, I think the phrase “278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates” is quite significant. I know a NYC police officer who went to Qatar to teach martial arts…

    http://www.dohaaikido.com/contact.html

    Although he makes a pretty penny for a retiree with no marketable skills, he isn’t a citizen of Qatar, or in any way integrated into “Qatarian society,” or whatever you call it.
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    • Replies: @Matra
    Although he makes a pretty penny for a retiree with no marketable skills, he isn’t a citizen of Qatar, or in any way integrated into “Qatarian society,” or whatever you call it.

    Watch this documentary about Doha, Qatar. They start talking about identity around 38.20 but they get down to why those born to expats can't be citizens at 40.23. Demographics would mean foreign influence. Developing the country would be a waste of time if you are just going to let foreigners take over.

    , @Mikeyzz
    No marketable skills in the 1st world but in the land of 80IQ Arabs a white high school drop out is king. Is there any muslim nation that has running water but lacks oil?
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  • @Steve Sailer
    "Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar’s population."

    Qatar doesn't seem to be doing much to house their fellow Arabs. You know, it's almost as if Arab elites are more aware than European elites of just how much trouble other Arabs can be ...

    True, but they have a lot of South Asians, who are considered just as bad or even worse in the UK by Europeans as Arabs are.

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  • Funny, I was thinking of the same thing about Qatar earlier today. I have been pointing out to anyone who will listen that Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, and Israel have all failed to take a single Syrian refugee. I mentioned that into a heavily left-leaning Facebook chat and it was quite popular with no comebacks screaming racism just yet.

    One other thing I learned is that Germany actually sends refugees back after the wars ends. They took a huge number of Yugoslavs in the early nineties but after the war ended they managed to repatriate quite a few of them. So the Syrians paying big money to get to Germany are very likely going to get sent back to Syria in a couple years. That’s the plan at least.

    As for Iceland it is pretty dreary there nine months of the year. I think those status whoring Icelanders are pretty safe in that not many Syrians would want to, let alone can or will get there.

    The last little cynical thing I was thinking of is that of all the possible migrants in the Middle East / African regions, Syrians are pretty much the whitest. Is Germany being smart by filling up on the whitest refugees but when the next batch of say, Sub-Saharan Africans start arriving in Europe in massive numbers, Germany can rightfully claim they are full and others must take these less-white newcomers?

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  • @km
    No need. They can all go to Iceland. Over 10,000 Icelanders have gone on Facebook to open their homes to inbred Syrian Muslims, who will be, according to the Minister of Welfare, 'our future spouses, best friends, our next soul mate, the drummer in our children’s band, our next colleague, Miss Iceland 2022, the carpenter who finally fixes our bathroom, the chef in the cafeteria, the fireman, the hacker and the television host.' One single mother proclaims herself a teacher who wants to teach a little Mideastern moppet 'to speak, read and write Icelandic and adjust to Icelandic society.' Of course, this is what Muslims do best! Is there another more remarkable case of the brain rot that attends upon easy living? Let this be definitive proof that, without any Jews required, many whites, especially white women, after growing up in peaceful homogeneous societies and with countless counter-examples to act as warning, are more than eager of their own accord to throw away their inheritance to fulfil personal fantasies of moral righteousness.

    Over 10,000 Icelanders have gone on Facebook to open their homes to inbred Syrian Muslims, who will be, according to the Minister of Welfare, ‘our future spouses, best friends, our next soul mate, the drummer in our children’s band, our next colleague, Miss Iceland 2022, the carpenter who finally fixes our bathroom, the chef in the cafeteria, the fireman, the hacker and the television host.’

    Microaggression! Microaggression! Why does the Muslim have to be the drummer? Isn’t that the least intelligent figure in a band, on average? Why can’t the Muslim be the front man or lead guitarist? Or a soulful singer-songwriter?

    On a more serious note, it seems that one of the characteristics of the cat lady thought process is an inability to recognize opportunity costs. All of those social and economic roles could be filled by Icelanders–the ones who exist and the ones who might come into existence if the job of populating the country were not outsourced to strangers. Having a Syrian future spouse, best friend, or soul mate means not having an Icelandic one. But why consider alternative scenarios when you’re already getting lots of warm fuzzy feelings considering just one?

    One more thing–if it were really about helping refugees, why go all-in with the assimilationist rhetoric about how these people will become part of the fabric of Iceland forever and ever? If the objective were to help refugees, why not just say “We’ll pay to help settle them in country x” or “They can stay temporarily but they can’t vote, naturalize, etc. while they’re here as our guests. They’ll have to go home when the war is over or move to another host country if the war isn’t over after x years.”

    One almost gets the feeling that it’s less about providing practical, temporary assistance to refugees than it is about implementing a grand ideological project of national dissolution. Syria had weaponized gas; European leaders have weaponized Syrians.

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    One more thing–if it were really about helping refugees, why go all-in with the assimilationist rhetoric about how these people will become part of the fabric of Iceland forever and ever?
     
    Dude, wtf, what about the diversity???? There's no more diversity if these guys become tanned Icelanders.
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  • @Blah
    Why isn't Turkey holding some responsibility here? The Syrian kid who drowned (pic on Drudge via UK Independent) was leaving from Turkey to get to Greece. Are the Turks fellow Muslims? They have a somewhat modern economy. Why arent they ever called upon the provide refugee safe havens?

    The Turks are hosting something like a quarter of a million Syrian refugees in camps along the border. Not that I expect them to act out of charity or humanitarian motivation.

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  • @Wilkey
    Watch the news reports and videos of the masses of "refugees," and note how overwhelmingly adult and male they are. These aren't refugees - they are people establishing a foothold on European soil. Their Third World brides will come later.

    Another thing: the rules should be that refugees should have to return after their countries are stabilized. These "refugees" clearly have no plans of ever going back.

    Exactly. In that truck where 71 people died in Austria, 53 were men. If these were war refugees there would be more women, children and old people.

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    I have a theory,
    But that's probably all it is.....
    The reason that it's so many men is because it's Isis fleeing infact I'm pretty sure ISIS work for us westerners!
    I believe they are fleeing because Russia know what is going on and they are going to take control of Syria.

    I also believe that America are panicking over China flexing their muscles.

    Just theories of course!
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  • @Blah
    Why isn't Turkey holding some responsibility here? The Syrian kid who drowned (pic on Drudge via UK Independent) was leaving from Turkey to get to Greece. Are the Turks fellow Muslims? They have a somewhat modern economy. Why arent they ever called upon the provide refugee safe havens?

    > Why isn’t Turkey holding some responsibility here?

    > Why arent they ever called upon the provide refugee safe havens?

    Turkey has 2 million Syrian refugees.

    http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=224

    It’s regrettable when commenting here becomes an echo chamber for people to say and read stuff unrelated to reality.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    Turkey has 2 million Syrian refugees.

     

    Yeah, and they're being treated as refugees, ie, expected to return home when the crisis is over. The ones bound for Europe are pseudorefugees, looking to make a few quid. Or euri.
    , @Anonymous
    Turks are basically the same people as the Syrians.
    So if they refused to help, it would be like your brother refusing to take you in if you were made homeless.
    However, there is a real religious, cultural, historical and dare I say it racial gap between Syrians and Europeans.
    , @5371
    Since Turkey has played the largest role in starting and sustaining this war, there is no number of refugees at which they have a right to complain.
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  • By the way are the asylum seekers really seeking asylum. In most of the pictures the ‘migrants’ from Syria (actually is sounds like a lot of others too in including Afghans) are a bunch of young men. If they were war refugees you’d expect more women, children and elderly. In that truck where so many dies in Austria, 53 of the 71 people were men. There is so much we are not being told (big surprise). You’d think there would be a market for at least one news source that would provide accurate information instead of propaganda.

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    And more than half of Syria's population is under 18.
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  • Haha. You white boys suck. If you are so damn great then you wouldn’t act like scared little pussies.

    Everyone white man I know with kids doesn’t care about this shit. You know why? They have confidence and smarts . You guys are just losers .

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    Well they should care about their children's future.
    , @Charles Erwin Wilson
    If you believed what you have written you would not have written it.
    , @Bill B.
    India has a giant wall & moat around Bangladesh. Saudi Arabia is building a hi-tech wall against Iraq. China built the world's longest wall against barbarians thousands of years ago. The Romans built a wall to keep the Scots out 2,000 years ago. Israel has a very tall fence to keep out Africans and if that doesn't work baton and bean bag rounds.

    Walls are in, mate.
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  • the $260 billion being spent on stadium construction in Qatar

    Enough to build 25 border walls.

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  • Watch the news reports and videos of the masses of “refugees,” and note how overwhelmingly adult and male they are. These aren’t refugees – they are people establishing a foothold on European soil. Their Third World brides will come later.

    Another thing: the rules should be that refugees should have to return after their countries are stabilized. These “refugees” clearly have no plans of ever going back.

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    Exactly. In that truck where 71 people died in Austria, 53 were men. If these were war refugees there would be more women, children and old people.
    , @The Albino Sasquatch
    "Their Third World Brides will come later" - not necessarily - according to the Icelanders - and from accounts I've read in Germany & Austria - the women there are eager for a shot of coffee in their cream.
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  • @mutecypher
    WWMD: What Would Muhammad Do?

    “WWMD: What Would Muhammad Do?”

    It appears that’s a question the leaders of Europe have already asked – and answered.

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  • We should require George and Amal Clooney to house as many refugees as they can in their palatial Northern Italian villa overlooking Lake Como. It’s the least they can do.

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  • They could have put the first Muslim on the moon for the price of that stadium.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    They could have put the first Muslim on the moon for the price of that stadium.
     
    How much would it cost to send the entire billion there? Economies of scale should help.
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  • There are entirely vast nearly empty places in Saudi Arabia. It must be cheaper to keep them there than Europe. Same thing for North Africa. There’s plenty of room in Morocco Chad, etc. The EU should pay to take them all to places in North Africa and SA.

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    I understand that the British proposed a holding camp in Egypt but the other Europeans didn't seem interested.

    The Egyptians could probably use the money if they'd go for it.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Steve Sailer
    "Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar’s population."

    Qatar doesn't seem to be doing much to house their fellow Arabs. You know, it's almost as if Arab elites are more aware than European elites of just how much trouble other Arabs can be ...

    Remember that these are Saudi and Gulf State elites, and they’re elites because they’ve been backed by the US and the West, and they’ve been backed by the US and the West because they’ve been anti-Shia and anti-Arab nationalism/Baathism. If they were the kind of Arab elites to support Baathism, they wouldn’t have been elites for long.

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    Baathism was about being anti-Shia and anti-neighbor, not anti-West. If the US had decided to back Sadaam Hussein full-born against Iran, he would have welcomed us.

    Anyway, I think the phrase "278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates" is quite significant. I know a NYC police officer who went to Qatar to teach martial arts...
    http://www.dohaaikido.com/contact.html

    Although he makes a pretty penny for a retiree with no marketable skills, he isn't a citizen of Qatar, or in any way integrated into "Qatarian society," or whatever you call it.
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  • Why isn’t Turkey holding some responsibility here? The Syrian kid who drowned (pic on Drudge via UK Independent) was leaving from Turkey to get to Greece. Are the Turks fellow Muslims? They have a somewhat modern economy. Why arent they ever called upon the provide refugee safe havens?

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    > Why isn’t Turkey holding some responsibility here?

    > Why arent they ever called upon the provide refugee safe havens?

    Turkey has 2 million Syrian refugees.
    http://data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/country.php?id=224

    It's regrettable when commenting here becomes an echo chamber for people to say and read stuff unrelated to reality.
    , @Busby
    The Turks are hosting something like a quarter of a million Syrian refugees in camps along the border. Not that I expect them to act out of charity or humanitarian motivation.
    , @Zachary Latif
    I was in Istanbul last week since a few friends were there for a big Persian wedding on the coast. Everywhere my friend and I went we were asked if we were "Arabi."

    Turkey has absorbed huge waves of Syrians, it's always been a polyglot and frankly I found the Turks an extraordinarily sensible people much more so than European bleeding heart liberals, who don't seem to grasp basic demographics.
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  • @Anonymous
    The majority of Qatar's population is made up of non-Arab expatriates from the Third World, so they're already doing much more than anybody else to house the world's poor:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar#Demographics

    In 2013, Qatar's total population was 1.8 million; 278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates.[11] Qatari nationals are merely 13% of the population. Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar's population. Indians are the largest expatriate community, there were 545,000 Indians in 2013.[11] In addition, there were 341,000 Nepalis, 185,000 Filipinos, 137,000 Bangladeshis, 100,000 Sri Lankans and 90,000 Pakistanis among many other nationalities.[11]
     

    “Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar’s population.”

    Qatar doesn’t seem to be doing much to house their fellow Arabs. You know, it’s almost as if Arab elites are more aware than European elites of just how much trouble other Arabs can be …

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    Remember that these are Saudi and Gulf State elites, and they're elites because they've been backed by the US and the West, and they've been backed by the US and the West because they've been anti-Shia and anti-Arab nationalism/Baathism. If they were the kind of Arab elites to support Baathism, they wouldn't have been elites for long.
    , @Anonymous
    True, but they have a lot of South Asians, who are considered just as bad or even worse in the UK by Europeans as Arabs are.
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  • Hey! How come Al Jazeera is not covering this? 260 billion with a b?

    Workers paid $50 a week and 4,000 of them expected to die building this edifice.

    Why they are not helping these poor migrants is a very, very good question.

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    "Hey! How come Al Jazeera is not covering this? 260 billion with a b?"

    Yeah, you're asking, "Gee, who funds Al Jazeera?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera
    , @Anonymous
    Perhaps pitting the 4000 who died building these monstrosities as gladiators fighting to the death against each other, in the stadiums they built, would be more honest and noteworthy.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The majority of Qatar’s population is made up of non-Arab expatriates from the Third World, so they’re already doing much more than anybody else to house the world’s poor:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar#Demographics

    In 2013, Qatar’s total population was 1.8 million; 278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates.[11] Qatari nationals are merely 13% of the population. Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar’s population. Indians are the largest expatriate community, there were 545,000 Indians in 2013.[11] In addition, there were 341,000 Nepalis, 185,000 Filipinos, 137,000 Bangladeshis, 100,000 Sri Lankans and 90,000 Pakistanis among many other nationalities.[11]

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    "Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar’s population."

    Qatar doesn't seem to be doing much to house their fellow Arabs. You know, it's almost as if Arab elites are more aware than European elites of just how much trouble other Arabs can be ...

    , @Beach

    The majority of Qatar’s population is made up of non-Arab expatriates from the Third World, so they’re already doing much more than anybody else to house the world’s poor:
    ...
    In 2013, Qatar’s total population was 1.8 million; 278,000 Qatari citizens and 1.5 million expatriates.[11] Qatari nationals are merely 13% of the population. Non-Arab expatriates make up the majority of Qatar’s population. Indians are the largest expatriate community, there were 545,000 Indians in 2013.[11] In addition, there were 341,000 Nepalis, 185,000 Filipinos, 137,000 Bangladeshis, 100,000 Sri Lankans and 90,000 Pakistanis among many other nationalities.[11]

     

    Pull the other one, Anonymous. How many of those expats are servants in Qatari homes, working twelve hour days for spare change, in between getting sexually harassed and yelled at for eating a piece of fruit from the refrigerator? "Housing the world's poor" is a charitable take on proceedings, to say the least.

    http://www.dohastories.org/?p=153
    , @Anonymous
    True.
    But once the Arabs have got the work out of them, then it's back off home, with nary as much as a dime's social security entitlement.
    , @toronto mike
    You mean exploit them in near slave labour conditions.
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