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    From the BBC: Why Germany needs migrants more than UK Robert Peston Economics editor 2 hours ago From the section Business 325 comments There is an economic and demographic backdrop to the differential policies towards asylum-seekers of Germany and the UK - to Germany's relatively open door, that compares with the UK's heavily fortified portal...
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    I think the Brits had better give in on this one, or they'll be seeing a wave of terrorist attacks in their country.

    For the same reason, not a good idea to actually go through with boycotting the World Cup. We're talking about the world's leading and most unscrupulous sponsor of terrorism, and they're dropping a cool quarter-trill on their little party. Anyone who ruins it for them is going to have hell to pay.

    (The number one reason, among many, that they never should've received it in the first place).

    I was just trying to describe (to Reg Caesar, actually – don’t know why you are butting in) the logistics and production of televising a WC/O; not politics for God’s sake. And, the nature of how wealthy teams/leagues/orgs are now – “too big to fail,” is apt here, too.

    And, I was trying to expound on the ‘giant corporation’ which is now: PL, O Committee, FIFA, NFL, NBA…I’m just a silly creative person who works on the design schemes/sets for theater, art, sport entertainment, or events for fashion; many events, many that have nothing to do with sport. Ask me about the wings for VS runways…as to where that idea came from.

    Terror attacks that you mentioned, will come about to punish western (Brits, you said) soccer fans beCAUSE…? – a bit cray-cray to suggest that people who don’t have the money to travel to Qatar will be punished. I totally don’t get you.

    All I was saying to Reg Caesar is: ordinary (“everyday”) people in Europe (the biggest spenders for WC, btw) will NOT HAVE THE MONEY in their personal budget to go – simple as that. And, Qatar is not Godzilla…they are not at the top of the human hierarchy for survival. Bacteria still rule…and, maybe the sun and asteroids,PCBs, industrial pollutants…I just like to have a convenient beer after a soccer game, that’s all. Plus, it was a more or less small message to RC…thought it was worthless since it was so many of Steve’s posts ago.

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  • @Lagertha
    I know: only a dork like me who cares about soccer would send a post this late buried under so much intense new news: FIFA is just desperate to get the English Premier League to change its entire, decades-long, existing schedule (August-May) to accommodate the Qatar WCup. Players and team owners don't want to change their life's schedule (and behemoth, lucrative business model) to accommodate this particular tournament held in the wrong location. So far, the discussions are going nowhere because the season is on. There is just too much money in the P L.

    Most WCups (and Olympics) are money losers for the host countries. US WCup ('94) in past as well as '84 Olympics, broke even/ made money because they used the existing stadiums in LA area (i.e. Rose Bowl/Pasadena) to host (also excellent CA sunny weather) and, no crazy-expensive new arenas were built - USA has always been sport crazy, and, duh, the football stadiums (NFL or NCAA) are really nice in almost every state.

    So, PL team owners don't want to bother with changing their lives or the players' lives to accommodate a country (Qatar was a bad, bad, bad, corrupt choice) that should never have been chosen because of the summer heat. FIFA can not put pressure on PL because members (I mean everyone; including the players) are so rich that they can just ignore the whole thing. They're certainly not going to give-in this early, or so soon after Brazil.

    PL is the ultimate league everyone wants to play for; attend the games, etc. PL is the most successful and lucrative league in history. The PL does not want the inconvenience to change their schedule to accommodate FIFA which has lost the respect of the soccer community.

    Soccer players are making more money in PL without even bothering with the WCup. And, because the WCup is every 4 years, many veteran players don't want to lose younger teammates to a WCup interruption. And, of course, the owners/managers/coaches don't like that either.

    The best players in the world are very particular about their "body/agility/energy schedule." Let's face it, they have an expiration date on their heads, and messing with time-honored schedules and rituals of these athletes is a problem for FIFA. In the end, everyone is probably going to have to be paid A LOT! if they decide to come to Qatar in January.

    June/July was marvelous in Rio...during the SA winter. How FIFA didn't think about the summer heat of Qatar just goes to show you they don't give a damn about the players/families/fans/slave labor that built those stadiums (just like they don't give a damn about the EU migrants/Syrian refugees). And, they got busted this year! - finally!

    And really? Who would want to go to Qatar? As a woman, would I be allowed to drink beer on a deck with shorts on, could I walk home alone to my hotel? No party-city on the gorgeous beaches like in Rio. I can't imagine festivals with drunken youth dancing and partying wearing bikinis and shorts. Nope, never gonna happen. I'm glad my son came home alive from Rio!

    I think the Brits had better give in on this one, or they’ll be seeing a wave of terrorist attacks in their country.

    For the same reason, not a good idea to actually go through with boycotting the World Cup. We’re talking about the world’s leading and most unscrupulous sponsor of terrorism, and they’re dropping a cool quarter-trill on their little party. Anyone who ruins it for them is going to have hell to pay.

    (The number one reason, among many, that they never should’ve received it in the first place).

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    I was just trying to describe (to Reg Caesar, actually - don't know why you are butting in) the logistics and production of televising a WC/O; not politics for God's sake. And, the nature of how wealthy teams/leagues/orgs are now - "too big to fail," is apt here, too.

    And, I was trying to expound on the 'giant corporation' which is now: PL, O Committee, FIFA, NFL, NBA...I'm just a silly creative person who works on the design schemes/sets for theater, art, sport entertainment, or events for fashion; many events, many that have nothing to do with sport. Ask me about the wings for VS runways...as to where that idea came from.

    Terror attacks that you mentioned, will come about to punish western (Brits, you said) soccer fans beCAUSE...? - a bit cray-cray to suggest that people who don't have the money to travel to Qatar will be punished. I totally don't get you.

    All I was saying to Reg Caesar is: ordinary ("everyday") people in Europe (the biggest spenders for WC, btw) will NOT HAVE THE MONEY in their personal budget to go - simple as that. And, Qatar is not Godzilla...they are not at the top of the human hierarchy for survival. Bacteria still rule...and, maybe the sun and asteroids,PCBs, industrial pollutants...I just like to have a convenient beer after a soccer game, that's all. Plus, it was a more or less small message to RC...thought it was worthless since it was so many of Steve's posts ago.

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  • @Wilkey
    "Well if you look at the average English working class white then maybe tribesmen from the Hindu kush will be an improvement to the gene pool."

    They aren't. Only about 40% of Afghan and Bangladeshi immigrant adults living in Britain are employed - and that includes part-time work. Meanwhile New Zealand immigrants, who are mostly of Anglo-Celtic stock, have an 80% employment rate.

    Great Britain may have a large, sad white underclass, but it did not get to be the 19th richest country in the world (per capita income) because of a large, dumb, lazy population. Same can be said for its offshoots. The Anglosphere countries - Canada (#15), USA (#10), Australia (#5) and New Zealand (#21), Ireland (#11) - all do very, very well by any economic measure. Only Germanic/Scandinavian countries do consistently better.

    The underclasses of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India are proportionally far larger, far dumber, and far more pathetic than anything Great Britain can muster.

    “The underclasses of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India are proportionally far larger, far dumber, and far more pathetic than anything Great Britain can muster.”

    Most of the underclass in these countries still do not even have indoor plumbing, even though it is the 21st Century for crying out loud.

    When Westerners start riding self driving cars, the Indian, Afghani, and Pakistani underclass still won’t have a toilet to piss and crap on. They are still in the stone age.

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  • @Sean
    "Which is perhaps one of the unspoken reasons why Germany is being much more welcoming to asylum seekers from Syria and elsewhere right now."
    Germans don't make this argument. it is ridiculous to say the Germans are doing this because they have used something like Franklyn's decision calculus to calculate it is to their advantage. Is the BBC expert saying the Germans can vaguely understand this advanced demographic concept of having a smaller working population in the future, but the Japanese are too stupid?

    http://tommytoy.typepad.com/tommy-toy-pbt-consultin/2011/03/demographic-time-bombs-us-is-better-off-than-you-think.html

    http://www.unz.com/efingleton/japan-teflon-nation/
    "But even by East Asian standards, Japan is remarkably stone-hearted. It accepted a mere six asylum seekers in 2013 and eleven in 2014."

    ““But even by East Asian standards, Japan is remarkably stone-hearted. It accepted a mere six asylum seekers in 2013 and eleven in 2014.”

    I would not call that being stone hearted. I would call that being street smart and alpha male on the part of the Japanese people.

    The Japanese people are not as beta male as American pop culture portrays them to be.

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  • @Jimi
    Germany has a skilled worker shortage. There are already a surplus of under-employed Arab and Turk immigrants in Germany.

    Same as in Britain. As soon as the anchor-baby generation is of working age, they mysteriously become “Lazy”, to a much greater degree than their indigenous prole peers. Even the Eastern Europeans are being infected with disgusting British “Laziness”, and starting to claim Benefits/Credits or returning home with their stash.
    The only recourse is twice as many illiterate peasant recruits to the Information Age and the Skills-Based Economy. Every year.

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  • @AnAnon
    there was a case in Texas, and the court rules that Americans are not considered a protected class on some basis or another.

    there was a case in Texas, and the court rules that Americans are not considered a protected class on some basis or another.

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  • @Reg Cæsar

    Everyone in the EU is afraid of being called a Nazi…
     
    A notable exception being the Danes. Their country was occupied by the Krauts, so they take this as the sleazy insult it is meant to be, and resist. Why the Dutch and Belgians don't do the same, I don't know. Do they even bother to use this ruse on the Geerts and the Pims?

    Finns, one would think, would be highly vulnerable to being called "Nazis", as their country was allied with Germany, if only by default. But it doesn't seem to work on them, either.

    I know: only a dork like me who cares about soccer would send a post this late buried under so much intense new news: FIFA is just desperate to get the English Premier League to change its entire, decades-long, existing schedule (August-May) to accommodate the Qatar WCup. Players and team owners don’t want to change their life’s schedule (and behemoth, lucrative business model) to accommodate this particular tournament held in the wrong location. So far, the discussions are going nowhere because the season is on. There is just too much money in the P L.

    Most WCups (and Olympics) are money losers for the host countries. US WCup (’94) in past as well as ’84 Olympics, broke even/ made money because they used the existing stadiums in LA area (i.e. Rose Bowl/Pasadena) to host (also excellent CA sunny weather) and, no crazy-expensive new arenas were built – USA has always been sport crazy, and, duh, the football stadiums (NFL or NCAA) are really nice in almost every state.

    So, PL team owners don’t want to bother with changing their lives or the players’ lives to accommodate a country (Qatar was a bad, bad, bad, corrupt choice) that should never have been chosen because of the summer heat. FIFA can not put pressure on PL because members (I mean everyone; including the players) are so rich that they can just ignore the whole thing. They’re certainly not going to give-in this early, or so soon after Brazil.

    PL is the ultimate league everyone wants to play for; attend the games, etc. PL is the most successful and lucrative league in history. The PL does not want the inconvenience to change their schedule to accommodate FIFA which has lost the respect of the soccer community.

    Soccer players are making more money in PL without even bothering with the WCup. And, because the WCup is every 4 years, many veteran players don’t want to lose younger teammates to a WCup interruption. And, of course, the owners/managers/coaches don’t like that either.

    The best players in the world are very particular about their “body/agility/energy schedule.” Let’s face it, they have an expiration date on their heads, and messing with time-honored schedules and rituals of these athletes is a problem for FIFA. In the end, everyone is probably going to have to be paid A LOT! if they decide to come to Qatar in January.

    June/July was marvelous in Rio…during the SA winter. How FIFA didn’t think about the summer heat of Qatar just goes to show you they don’t give a damn about the players/families/fans/slave labor that built those stadiums (just like they don’t give a damn about the EU migrants/Syrian refugees). And, they got busted this year! – finally!

    And really? Who would want to go to Qatar? As a woman, would I be allowed to drink beer on a deck with shorts on, could I walk home alone to my hotel? No party-city on the gorgeous beaches like in Rio. I can’t imagine festivals with drunken youth dancing and partying wearing bikinis and shorts. Nope, never gonna happen. I’m glad my son came home alive from Rio!

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    I think the Brits had better give in on this one, or they'll be seeing a wave of terrorist attacks in their country.

    For the same reason, not a good idea to actually go through with boycotting the World Cup. We're talking about the world's leading and most unscrupulous sponsor of terrorism, and they're dropping a cool quarter-trill on their little party. Anyone who ruins it for them is going to have hell to pay.

    (The number one reason, among many, that they never should've received it in the first place).
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  • @Expletive Deleted
    So after near enough half a century of Malthusian jeremiads on overpopulation, because The Plaaaneeeetttttt! or whatever, the shiftstick is crunched into reverse? Trouble is, only the perceptive, intelligent, law-abiding Europeans and Chinese had been listening to the deafening wall of propaganda noise, and limited their progeny. Sucks to be them.

    Plummeting birth rates affect everyone, actually, even blacks outside of sub-saharan Africa.

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  • @Anonymous
    (((Robert Peston)))

    This is my first sighting of echoes on isteve :)

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  • @Nico

    I just don’t see that there’s a cabal out there trying to Islamize Europe, just as I don’t think there’s a cabal trying to turn the US into North Mexico.
     
    If there's not a cabal, someone is doing a damned good job of making it look like there is. A number of Islamic State cadres were calling for Muslims to invade Europe's shores and from the looks of it they were being obeyed. Within our ranks, at least one Jewish commentator remarked of post-1965 immigration, "The more diverse America is, the safer Jews are!" (He was quite wrong, of course, but it is perception and intent, not reality and result, we are concerned about here.)

    I try to resist thinking in terms of conspiracies. I think it usually muddies the water unnecessarily.

    Note that when people support “the narative” or follow their ethnic interests this is not the same as a conspiracy.

    On the other hand Ye Gods when a previously apparently hard-headed woman like Merkel acts as if wanting to bring down the temple of European civilisation on her own people what, as Hillary would say, difference does it make?

    I am a great believer in the cock up theory of history but people like Merkel are walking open-eyed towards disaster. When does a conspiracy merely become short hand for the inexplicable?

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  • Commenter Romanian calls our attention to this relevant passage from Edward Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire about the decision of the Emperor Valens in 376 A.D. to permit -- and even assist -- the crossing of the Danube, until then the frontier of Roman civilization, by German barbarians. In the opinion...
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    Forget about Rome. This happened recently in Africa. After the Rwandan Genocide in 1994, millions of refugees were allowed into the Democratic Republic of Congo. Within 12 years, 6 million (with an M) Congolese were killed in wars by the refugees and their opponents. The Congolese government was destroyed and it’s leader, Mobutu, died shortly afterwards. His successor, Laurent Kabila, was also killed by Rwandan agents. Till today, Congolese minerals and diamonds worth billions of dollars have been stolen by the refugees, their backers and their opponents.
    The same thing happened in Kosovo. The Albanians were originally refugees. Today, Serbia has lost a huge chunk of it’s history and territory. Sometimes it pays to be stone hearted. Listening to the UN is a recipe for disaster

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  • Quote from Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire Vol. 2

    “The inaction of the negroes does not seem to be the effect either of their virtue or of their pusillanimity. They indulge, like the rest of mankind, their passions and appetites; and the adjacent tribes are engaged in frequent acts of hostility. But their rude ignorance has never invented any effectual weapons of defence, or of destruction; they appear incapable of forming any extensive plans of government, or conquest; and the obvious inferiority of their mental faculties has been discovered and abused by the nations of the temperate zone. Sixty thousand blacks are annually embarked from the coast of Guinea, never to return to their native country; but they are embarked in chains; and this constant emigration, which, in the space of two centuries, might have furnished armies to overrun the globe, accuses the guilt of Europe and the weakness of Africa”.

    Excerpt From: Gibbon, Edward. “History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire — Volume 2. Pg. 4597-4599″ iBooks

    The Africans must have read this and realized Gibbon was right! They certainly can take over Europe and are out to prove it.

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  • From the BBC: Why Germany needs migrants more than UK Robert Peston Economics editor 2 hours ago From the section Business 325 comments There is an economic and demographic backdrop to the differential policies towards asylum-seekers of Germany and the UK - to Germany's relatively open door, that compares with the UK's heavily fortified portal...
  • @North Carolina Resident
    @ben tillman

    Why are there never lawsuits over this stuff (Disney replacing American tech workers with imported H1B serfs)? They seem to be rare. My guess - Layoffs are orchestrated by employment lawyers. In exchange for a severance, workers are required to sign a document agreeing not to sue. Also, white, make IT types seem not to be the litigious type.
    Here's an example. Kevin Flanagan was a computer programmer who worked for The Bank of America in Concord, California, USA.
    Flanagan shot himself to death in the parking lot of Bank of America's Concord Technology Center after he and colleagues were laid off in April 2003. The lay-offs were due to the company outsourcing many computer-related jobs to less expensive workers.


    See tech insurgent (dot) com. The famous blogger "Tunnel Rat" documents IT worker displacement and lawsuits.
    A few years ago, an Indian outsourcing firm sued him over his blog posts. His original blog site got taken down by court order.


    Also, go to Youtube and search Cohen and Grigsby. Watch the 4 minute 51 second video from that law firm's promotional video.


    I copied this from Wikipedia's Cohen and Grigsby entry.

    In August 2007, Cohen & Grigsby won national press exposure and the Ethics Dunces Award from ProEthics Ltd.

    In a video of a marketing seminar, featured speaker and Cohen & Grigsby Marketing direcotor, Lawrence Lebowitz explains methods employers can use to defeat a provision in employment based immigration law, which requires that the position be advertised to ensure that there are no willing and qualified U.S. professionals who want the job.

    "Our goal is clearly not to find a qualified and interested U.S. worker. And you know, in a sense that may sound funny, but it's what we are trying to do here. We are complying with the law, fully, but our objective is to get this person a greencard." —Lawrence Lebowitz

    Norm Matloff, a Computer Science professor with the University of California at Davis, spoke with the Christian Science Monitor, stating that there is nothing new in the video and that he had received a document listing numerous methods to deny employment to U.S. professionals in favor of foreign workers.
    The Programmers Guild was able to make a short Fair Use video segment prior to the removal of the entire series from the originally posted YouTube channel. Lou Dobbs reported on the issue and Senator Chuck Grassley and Representative Lamar S. Smith approached the Department of Labor seeking an investigation.

    There may not be lawsuits, but many mothers of college students studying STEM are waking up to the fact that their children will not find jobs due to being natives, and, once again, not being able to check the diversity box on their application. This is why I am curious to see which candidate can tap into this concern; more like fear. H1B is a death knell to graduating students with loads of debt…ergo, immigration will be the defining issue for people once they’re alone in that voting booth, without having to worry what their neighbors or best friend think.

    American families who have been conned into paying massive tuition, will be enraged if their son/daughter is ignored due to a foreign tech person taking their job. Elites who control the industries in tech or finance, will suddenly realize that people will not go along with their (it’s all about shareholders) mantra once millions of parents in the USA realize they have been duped. This is the real reason that any politician who goes against the main stream, may grab all the votes. In the end, it comes down to the nuclear family for all parents. In the end, people are tribal.

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  • @iSteveFan

    I think the only salvation for the West in terms of HBD would be some kind of ideology that promoted sexual modesty, strong marriages, and lots of children, sort of like the Duggars but less insane. But there is no such ideology gaining ground. People will stand in line for 72 hours to get an iGadget but they won’t do that to marry or have children.
     
    If you were in charge of the government and really believed that your nation was in danger due to a declining population, what would you do? First, you could easily determine that with modern medicine life spans were increasing, infant mortality was decreasing and there were no famines or wars to explain the drop. So you would readily ascertain it was a decline in birth rates that was to blame.

    With this in mind, what policies would you pursue? Would you try to implement policies to increase the birth rate of your own people, who obviously are acclimated to your nation and culture, or would you immediately seek to demographically alter your country by bringing in mass numbers of alien people with little to zero cultural affinity with your nation?

    Now ask yourself why the government is not only not trying to address this decline in birth rates among the natives, but is doing things to exacerbate it. For example, the government and the culture promote the idea that women have to have a career. As a result millions of women go to university to get questionable diplomas that put them into massive debt that they will have to spend the better part of their career working off. Though women have always worked, generally before or after child bearing, getting into massive debt early on forces them to continue to work through the best part of their child bearing age.

    If a diminishing population were the real problem, the government would determine that something, such as the culture, the tax burden or the overall quality of life in the nation was a detriment to couples having more children and would actively try to address it. But instead they immediately resort to the mass migration of alien peoples which only seems to exacerbate the overall quality of life issues that were causing declining birth rates to begin with.

    Don't fall for the "economic" arguments for MASS immigration. Just like the old argument that we needed immigrants to pay taxes turned out to be false given that we are importing net tax consumers, this issue that our birth rates are declining is just a shield they have grabbed to hide their real intentions. And to me, after peeling away all their arguments, clearly seems to be the demographic change of European nations.

    The key to slowing down the demographic change is lowering the birthrates of the immigrants and weakening their cultures. Also focus on the children of immigrants and try to weaken family ties.

    This levels the playing field. Just use similar methods that have been used on gullible whites for decades. Maybe add some more.

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123

    The only way to increase prosperity is to increase productivity so you *want* a tight labor market to encourage technological innovation.

     

    Not if you're in it for the short-term buck.

    Employers are stuck in a tragedy of the commons dynamic where importing more labor is the easiest path but in the long term it is stupid.

     

    Thank you for making my point.

    Your point is that there is truth in the article.

    There is not a shred of truth in the article as the last 30 years overwhelmingly shows

    Employers in the West are as much a victim of hostile economic propaganda from people like Peston as everyone else.

    The *only* thing that can increase prosperity is increased productivity. Mass immigration has been destroying productivity for years hence why the entire western economy is in such a mess.

    Peston’s article is yet another example of propaganda promoting the bankster fallacy.

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  • to their hosts that they are not a burden – in the way that successive immigrant waves have done all over the world (including Jews like my family in London’s East End).

    And to prove it Peston promotes the ethnic cleansing of the people who gave his family refuge.

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  • @ben tillman

    Your jobs have been given over to a foreign workforce. In the meantime you will be training your replacements until your jobs are 100 percent transferred over to them and if you don’t cooperate you will not receive any severance pay.
     
    Why are there never lawsuits over this stuff? It seems like clear-cut illegal discrimination based on national origin and, by disparate impact, race.

    there was a case in Texas, and the court rules that Americans are not considered a protected class on some basis or another.

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    there was a case in Texas, and the court rules that Americans are not considered a protected class on some basis or another.
     
    Wow. Do you have a cite? Or at least the names of the parties?
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  • @Priss Factor
    I keep hearing about unemployment in Europe but need for more workers.

    What be going on?

    I think it has something to do with the Japper concept of the three D's : dirty, dangerous, and demeaning waruku.

    Native population is over-educated and look down on 3D jobs. So, if possible, they go to other nations to find work if they can't find it in their own country. Instead of settling for 3D work, they seek fancy work elsewhere. So, who has to fill the 3D work? Foreigners from poorer nations who are desperate for any job.
    This leads to brain drain of native population and inflow of low IQ foreigners.

    This is what happens when labor is depreciated. We need a Museum of Labor that emphasizes how all the great things were made by people who worked at jobs that were 'dirty, demeaning, and dangerous'. Look at the highways. Who built them? People with shovels and picks.

    When a people feel they are too good for manual labor in their own nation, they are finished.

    And womenfolk need to listen to this song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrZnnvEyTUs

    Lay, lady, lay, lay across my big brass bed
    Stay, lady, stay, stay with your man awhile
    Until the break of day, let me see you make him smile
    His clothes are dirty but his hands are clean
    And you’re the best thing that he’s ever seen

    “This is what happens when labor is depreciated. We need a Museum of Labor that emphasizes how all the great things were made by people who worked at jobs that were ‘dirty, demeaning, and dangerous’. Look at the highways. Who built them? People with shovels and picks. ” – or, we could offer high wages to people who will do crap jobs instead of replacing them with low wage foreigners.

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  • @ben tillman

    Your jobs have been given over to a foreign workforce. In the meantime you will be training your replacements until your jobs are 100 percent transferred over to them and if you don’t cooperate you will not receive any severance pay.
     
    Why are there never lawsuits over this stuff? It seems like clear-cut illegal discrimination based on national origin and, by disparate impact, race.

    Why are there never lawsuits over this stuff (Disney replacing American tech workers with imported H1B serfs)? They seem to be rare. My guess – Layoffs are orchestrated by employment lawyers. In exchange for a severance, workers are required to sign a document agreeing not to sue. Also, white, make IT types seem not to be the litigious type.
    Here’s an example. Kevin Flanagan was a computer programmer who worked for The Bank of America in Concord, California, USA.
    Flanagan shot himself to death in the parking lot of Bank of America’s Concord Technology Center after he and colleagues were laid off in April 2003. The lay-offs were due to the company outsourcing many computer-related jobs to less expensive workers.

    See tech insurgent (dot) com. The famous blogger “Tunnel Rat” documents IT worker displacement and lawsuits.
    A few years ago, an Indian outsourcing firm sued him over his blog posts. His original blog site got taken down by court order.

    Also, go to Youtube and search Cohen and Grigsby. Watch the 4 minute 51 second video from that law firm’s promotional video.

    I copied this from Wikipedia’s Cohen and Grigsby entry.

    In August 2007, Cohen & Grigsby won national press exposure and the Ethics Dunces Award from ProEthics Ltd.

    In a video of a marketing seminar, featured speaker and Cohen & Grigsby Marketing direcotor, Lawrence Lebowitz explains methods employers can use to defeat a provision in employment based immigration law, which requires that the position be advertised to ensure that there are no willing and qualified U.S. professionals who want the job.

    “Our goal is clearly not to find a qualified and interested U.S. worker. And you know, in a sense that may sound funny, but it’s what we are trying to do here. We are complying with the law, fully, but our objective is to get this person a greencard.” —Lawrence Lebowitz

    Norm Matloff, a Computer Science professor with the University of California at Davis, spoke with the Christian Science Monitor, stating that there is nothing new in the video and that he had received a document listing numerous methods to deny employment to U.S. professionals in favor of foreign workers.
    The Programmers Guild was able to make a short Fair Use video segment prior to the removal of the entire series from the originally posted YouTube channel. Lou Dobbs reported on the issue and Senator Chuck Grassley and Representative Lamar S. Smith approached the Department of Labor seeking an investigation.

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    • Replies: @Lagertha
    There may not be lawsuits, but many mothers of college students studying STEM are waking up to the fact that their children will not find jobs due to being natives, and, once again, not being able to check the diversity box on their application. This is why I am curious to see which candidate can tap into this concern; more like fear. H1B is a death knell to graduating students with loads of debt...ergo, immigration will be the defining issue for people once they're alone in that voting booth, without having to worry what their neighbors or best friend think.

    American families who have been conned into paying massive tuition, will be enraged if their son/daughter is ignored due to a foreign tech person taking their job. Elites who control the industries in tech or finance, will suddenly realize that people will not go along with their (it's all about shareholders) mantra once millions of parents in the USA realize they have been duped. This is the real reason that any politician who goes against the main stream, may grab all the votes. In the end, it comes down to the nuclear family for all parents. In the end, people are tribal.
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  • @Lagertha
    Everyone in the EU is afraid of being called a Nazi...the imagery of masses of people in stations, refugee camps, getting snagged on razor wire, hapless guards with guns & batons being screamed at by angry hoards of bearded men; squalid trains no doubt smelling of human waste and B.O., slowly making their way somewhere, or just sitting on the tracks. Plus, summer is over now, and the cool rainy days have arrived in central and northern Europe, and migrants appear in rags and thin clothes in most shots.

    The photos from the NYT and many media orgs have been disturbing (often staged to show as many women and babies as possible). I find it ironic that the latest NYT Magazine did not Photoshop hijabs onto the images of those 95% men on those boats, packed in like sardines.

    This is a disaster now, which has no solution. The winter comes quickly to Europe, and that damn rain; no country wants images of babies and children lying in the gutter on some European city street. Merkel and EU dweebs have to stay up all night for weeks to figure out how they are going to shame their citizens to pay for all these people who will need assistance for generations - taxes will go way up, there's no other way.

    Those EU sanctions for Russia seem like a joke now, and Putin gets to have the last laugh as the German economy will be affected, as will all the other EU nations that will be shamed to take 75% more (just guessing) even if some of the countries have 12% unemployment. There's a brain-drain going on at the same time in some of the Nordic countries: their smartest, most educated 25-35 year-olds are opting to go abroad (including the USA) for their careers - so not good as they are the largest tax payers.

    And, I agree that multiculturalism has not not worked in Europe, and diversity is just a "My Little Pony" naive idea that has turned many Europeans against paying social welfare benefits for more idle men, yes, it is mostly men, in their countries. Many migrants carry this phony idea that they are from "war-torn" countries or are escaping persecution - I mean, people make-up stuff all the time. Petty crime, vandalism, rape and now things like knife slashing in IKEA or other public places are just increasing.

    I have never seen NYT print an honest investigative article about who is behind the increase in all the rapes and gang-like attacks by migrant men against native populations. No articles as to how the boundaries are drawn so tightly by the parents of Muslim boys (forget girls, duh), in particular, to not affiliate with native boys, well, yeah, maybe in soccer (and the Turks on the national team has been used thousands of times). But, getting back to Merkel, she will fight tooth and nail to not be called a Nazi.

    I blame the Saudis (well, all the Gulf States) for just about everything these last 2 decades, I always have, since 9/11...even decades earlier. That part of the world is still having their primitive and infantile arguments: Sunni vs. Shiite. Nothing good has been technologically developed (STEM) in that Muslim region, for the greater good of mankind, for 50 years now, when all the EU countries and USA moved on/prospered/advanced after WW2. And, liberals, especially, of all nations, need to start admitting how being female just really sucks in most, if not all, of the middle east. It sucks to be an animal, too - I'm so grossed-out by halal.

    Let's just all blow-off going to that stupid WCup to punish that part of the world. It's about the only thing we can do. Although I am not a fan of FoxSports, I will watch the matches on television...or I'll go to our local bar.

    Everyone in the EU is afraid of being called a Nazi…

    A notable exception being the Danes. Their country was occupied by the Krauts, so they take this as the sleazy insult it is meant to be, and resist. Why the Dutch and Belgians don’t do the same, I don’t know. Do they even bother to use this ruse on the Geerts and the Pims?

    Finns, one would think, would be highly vulnerable to being called “Nazis”, as their country was allied with Germany, if only by default. But it doesn’t seem to work on them, either.

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    I know: only a dork like me who cares about soccer would send a post this late buried under so much intense new news: FIFA is just desperate to get the English Premier League to change its entire, decades-long, existing schedule (August-May) to accommodate the Qatar WCup. Players and team owners don't want to change their life's schedule (and behemoth, lucrative business model) to accommodate this particular tournament held in the wrong location. So far, the discussions are going nowhere because the season is on. There is just too much money in the P L.

    Most WCups (and Olympics) are money losers for the host countries. US WCup ('94) in past as well as '84 Olympics, broke even/ made money because they used the existing stadiums in LA area (i.e. Rose Bowl/Pasadena) to host (also excellent CA sunny weather) and, no crazy-expensive new arenas were built - USA has always been sport crazy, and, duh, the football stadiums (NFL or NCAA) are really nice in almost every state.

    So, PL team owners don't want to bother with changing their lives or the players' lives to accommodate a country (Qatar was a bad, bad, bad, corrupt choice) that should never have been chosen because of the summer heat. FIFA can not put pressure on PL because members (I mean everyone; including the players) are so rich that they can just ignore the whole thing. They're certainly not going to give-in this early, or so soon after Brazil.

    PL is the ultimate league everyone wants to play for; attend the games, etc. PL is the most successful and lucrative league in history. The PL does not want the inconvenience to change their schedule to accommodate FIFA which has lost the respect of the soccer community.

    Soccer players are making more money in PL without even bothering with the WCup. And, because the WCup is every 4 years, many veteran players don't want to lose younger teammates to a WCup interruption. And, of course, the owners/managers/coaches don't like that either.

    The best players in the world are very particular about their "body/agility/energy schedule." Let's face it, they have an expiration date on their heads, and messing with time-honored schedules and rituals of these athletes is a problem for FIFA. In the end, everyone is probably going to have to be paid A LOT! if they decide to come to Qatar in January.

    June/July was marvelous in Rio...during the SA winter. How FIFA didn't think about the summer heat of Qatar just goes to show you they don't give a damn about the players/families/fans/slave labor that built those stadiums (just like they don't give a damn about the EU migrants/Syrian refugees). And, they got busted this year! - finally!

    And really? Who would want to go to Qatar? As a woman, would I be allowed to drink beer on a deck with shorts on, could I walk home alone to my hotel? No party-city on the gorgeous beaches like in Rio. I can't imagine festivals with drunken youth dancing and partying wearing bikinis and shorts. Nope, never gonna happen. I'm glad my son came home alive from Rio!

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  • @SPMoore8
    I just don't see that there's a cabal out there trying to Islamize Europe, just as I don't think there's a cabal trying to turn the US into North Mexico. I think it's just shortsighted love of profit.

    No question our cultures (US and EU) devalues children. Women have little security under current divorce regimes, men are not held sufficiently responsible, neither childbirth nor parenthood are held up as positive sacrifices.

    On the contrary, the "good life" is always expressed in terms of having "high status" (good schools) and "high income." Nothing else matters, and anything less is failure. You can even see this with people who have children: they have to be high status, and high earners. Nothing else matters.

    It's like the whole business with "careers". Nobody gives a sh*t when you are 65 and you announce that you used to be a VP for whatever at whosis bank. That wasn't a career, that was a job. The same applies to most careers jobs. They are jobs.

    But whatever. I don't think there's any master mind pulling the strings so I don't think there's any master mind who is going to convince a bunch of millenials to live in constant near poverty and near constant debt just so they can marry for love at 24 and have 5 kids. Just not going to happen.
    At least, not on a large scale.

    Women have little security under current divorce regimes…

    Good. The late Daniel Amnéus, a hero of the MRA types (though he wasn’t one himself), pointed out that when divorce law grossly favored men, divorce was rare, especially in the middle class backbone of the population. It was once that courts moved the pendulum the other way, especially in regard to custody, that the divorce rate rose. Women had less of a sense of responsibility to family and society, or they were simply weaker. Men also feared for their reputations.

    …men are not held sufficiently responsible, neither childbirth nor parenthood are held up as positive sacrifices.

    “Men”? If you live Adrian Peterson’s lifestyle without Adrian Peterson’s income, they can’t hold you responsible because you don’t have the means. Married, employed men as far as I know are still held responsible.

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  • @Wilkey
    "Frankly I don’t think the US nor EU has the manpower required for it..."

    Oh bullshit. Rescuing the ships requires far more manpower, because once the migrants know you will accept them, the more that come. Tow a few boats back to Libya and they would stop coming entirely - problem solved, done, over. We know this. Australia has done this, and their solution has worked. The current migrant population has exploded because European navies are rescuing them in the Mediterranean.

    The current migrant population has exploded because European navies are rescuing them in the Mediterranean.

    Anagram alert! I first read that as “naives” (sans dieresis), and it worked just as well, as in equally accurate.

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  • @anonymous
    Speaking of H1-B visas:


    "EXCLUSIVE — Displaced Disney Cast Member: How They Replaced Me, Other Americans, With Cheap Foreigners On H1B Visas", by Displaced Disney Cast Member7 Sep 2015, Breitbart:


    "...Twenty years of hard work, technical skill building, the fostering of relationships and a bachelor’s degree in Information Technology...

    ...company’s earnings were up well over 20 percent... a new CIO, Tilak Mandadi, was appointed...

    ...the phone rang ... well connected... told me that since I had such a great reputation as a problem solver, had just cleared up a major outage situation the week prior and since I recently received the very highest possible performance review by management, that the meeting must be one to recognize my recent contributions to the company with perhaps a promotion or at the very least a bonus....

    ...I was in a room surrounded by employees of excellence. ...All of you in this room will be losing your jobs in the next 90 days. Your last day of employment for this company will be January 30, 2015. Your jobs have been given over to a foreign workforce. In the meantime you will be training your replacements until your jobs are 100 percent transferred over to them and if you don’t cooperate you will not receive any severance pay. Also, if we don’t feel confident that we have captured everything that you do we can, at our discretion, keep you longer than the 90 days until we have captured everything that you do with this job...

    ...A huge influx of foreign workers from South Asia started to arrive at numerous buildings on the Disney Orlando campus in very large numbers. A foreign language was suddenly being spoken throughout the building hallways. Everywhere I went, including the company cafeteria, the composition of the company changed so much in the period of only a week. ...

    ...the foreign workers insisted that they record all the audio as well as everything that we did on our computer screens with recorded video during the training meetings...

    ...I actually received a significant pay raise during my last 30 days with the company because I had received the highest possible job rating in performance reviews....

    ...I would never recommend the IT field to my own children or anybody else that I know for that matter, due to the lack of job opportunities even for someone passionate about the IT field. We now have American IT workers being displaced by both H1-B visa holders, who are physically being flown in from foreign countries, as well as the continued use of foreign remote offshore workers...

    ...How can our lawmakers allow this to happen to our country? This abuse of the H1-B Visa is not about a lack of talent here in the U.S. If our own pool of IT professionals were so incompetent- then why would companies like Disney have us train our replacements and spend months teaching them? ...

    ...It is very clear that the H1-B visa is about cutting wages and exploiting immigration guest workers programs at less pay. ...

    ...I challenge policy makers to ask themselves- what is the ripple effect of this program to our country? ...

    ...all employees who have been displaced by a foreign worker, whether the foreign worker is located in, or outside of, the United States territory, need to stand up for their rights and for the rights of all American citizen workers. Similarly, any American citizen or permanent resident who applied for a job but was denied the position because it was filled by an immigration visa employee should determine if that denial of the position was a violation of his/her rights. I implore displaced employees and employees denied positions to visit the following website for options in taking a stand and possibly recovering for the potential violation of his/her constitutional rights. If you feel that you are powerless in the face of this tsunami think again.

    www.ProtectUSworkers.org "

     

    Your jobs have been given over to a foreign workforce. In the meantime you will be training your replacements until your jobs are 100 percent transferred over to them and if you don’t cooperate you will not receive any severance pay.

    Why are there never lawsuits over this stuff? It seems like clear-cut illegal discrimination based on national origin and, by disparate impact, race.

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    @ben tillman

    Why are there never lawsuits over this stuff (Disney replacing American tech workers with imported H1B serfs)? They seem to be rare. My guess - Layoffs are orchestrated by employment lawyers. In exchange for a severance, workers are required to sign a document agreeing not to sue. Also, white, make IT types seem not to be the litigious type.
    Here's an example. Kevin Flanagan was a computer programmer who worked for The Bank of America in Concord, California, USA.
    Flanagan shot himself to death in the parking lot of Bank of America's Concord Technology Center after he and colleagues were laid off in April 2003. The lay-offs were due to the company outsourcing many computer-related jobs to less expensive workers.


    See tech insurgent (dot) com. The famous blogger "Tunnel Rat" documents IT worker displacement and lawsuits.
    A few years ago, an Indian outsourcing firm sued him over his blog posts. His original blog site got taken down by court order.


    Also, go to Youtube and search Cohen and Grigsby. Watch the 4 minute 51 second video from that law firm's promotional video.


    I copied this from Wikipedia's Cohen and Grigsby entry.

    In August 2007, Cohen & Grigsby won national press exposure and the Ethics Dunces Award from ProEthics Ltd.

    In a video of a marketing seminar, featured speaker and Cohen & Grigsby Marketing direcotor, Lawrence Lebowitz explains methods employers can use to defeat a provision in employment based immigration law, which requires that the position be advertised to ensure that there are no willing and qualified U.S. professionals who want the job.

    "Our goal is clearly not to find a qualified and interested U.S. worker. And you know, in a sense that may sound funny, but it's what we are trying to do here. We are complying with the law, fully, but our objective is to get this person a greencard." —Lawrence Lebowitz

    Norm Matloff, a Computer Science professor with the University of California at Davis, spoke with the Christian Science Monitor, stating that there is nothing new in the video and that he had received a document listing numerous methods to deny employment to U.S. professionals in favor of foreign workers.
    The Programmers Guild was able to make a short Fair Use video segment prior to the removal of the entire series from the originally posted YouTube channel. Lou Dobbs reported on the issue and Senator Chuck Grassley and Representative Lamar S. Smith approached the Department of Labor seeking an investigation.
    , @AnAnon
    there was a case in Texas, and the court rules that Americans are not considered a protected class on some basis or another.
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  • @Reg Cæsar

    And named “Preston” no less!
     
    Peston. This is Robert Preston.

    “76 Libyans led the big parade,
    With 110 Afghans right behind ….”

    If Robert Preston was still around he could probably do Merkel in drag for “the Music Man”

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  • @Lagertha
    For some interesting overpopulation doomsday scenarios, you should look into my mother's childhood classmate's ideas: Pentti Linkola. Some of his ideas are so intense that I've seen them redacted on Wikipedia. But, brace yourself, this is stomach-churning stuff from a famous, academic recluse. Everyone knows about him in Finland, but nobody wants anyone to know that you know about his views!

    Thanks for the tip!

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  • @Malcolm X-Lax

    So to put it another way, it is arguably particularly useful to Germany to have an influx of young grateful families from Syria or elsewhere, who may well be keen to toil and strive to rebuild their lives and prove to their hosts that they are not a burden – in the way that successive immigrant waves have done all over the world (including Jews like my family in London’s East End).
     
    Hey, how about that! And named "Preston" no less! By the way, was watching Fox this morning. Even this "right wing" network is propagandizing for mass arab and african muslim immigration into Europe. Why is Fox referring to political leaders who oppose this mass migration pejoratively as "right wing" and the left-wing leaders cheering it on as "compassionate?" Btw, most of the "refugees" are young and male. Enjoy your Rotherhams, Europeans.

    And named “Preston” no less!

    Peston. This is Robert Preston.

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    "76 Libyans led the big parade,
    With 110 Afghans right behind ...."

    If Robert Preston was still around he could probably do Merkel in drag for "the Music Man"
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  • @AnotherDad

    I think the only salvation for the West in terms of HBD would be some kind of ideology that promoted sexual modesty, strong marriages, and lots of children, sort of like the Duggars but less insane. But there is no such ideology gaining ground. People will stand in line for 72 hours to get an iGadget but they won’t do that to marry or have children.
     
    Well said on the values Mr. Moore. But that ideology already exists--various forms of Christianity, evangelicals, trad Catholics, (stretching "Christianity") Mormons.

    What's happening "under the covers" is that the white population in white nations is skewing more "pro-natalist" as selection takes it's toll. But that is covered by the huge demographic tsunami of mass immigration. Absent that, white nations' populations would have peaked, then would fall a bit and then recover into some sort of steady\quasi-steady state as family life became more affordable and more people being born were family oriented sorts.

    Unfortunately, the white haters have jumped on this moment of demographic transition and with mass immigration and "diversity" have plunged in the dagger.

    ~~~

    My main argument here with you is that you also don't just seek "lots of children"--i.e. high fertility. What you seek is robust eugenic fertility. The smart, strong, healthy, capable having lots of children; the stupid, weak, sickly, incompetent having fewer--ideally none.

    That's what the West used to have--strong selection for IQ, conscientiousness, cooperation, along with health. But now the welfare state encourages the screw ups to breed. And even more pernicious, the reigning ideology encourages smart and capable women *not* to breed, by pushing feminism, female careerism, the enviro-sensitive "two children" limit.

    Males–especially the intellectually oriented types (well represented here)–tend to not quite grasp the strength of conformism in women. They really do sort of “do what they are told”. If the reigning ideology tells ‘em “yo go girl”–you need a career, you need to explore your sexuality, you need to delay marriage till you’re 30 and “ready”–then that’s what they tend to do. The biological imperatives are nonetheless still in play. And a bunch–maybe most–of these gals start to feel that clock ticking–especially when others in their circle start to marry–and sort of “wake up” around 30, stomp their feet and expect a husband\father\provider to appear. But basically they are doing what they are told. We have lot fertility, because the ideology tells women to pursue a “life script” that delivers it–for many of them zero fertility! Likewise ideologically. The schools, the media, all the institutions push PC, diversity, “tolerance” … women follow along. Standing up for your race and culture against invasion and attack is … being “mean!”

    I think a lot of HBD folks–in part because the damage of this mass immigration crime is so in-your-face, it’s hard to credit anything else–fail to give due credit to how much of the melt down of the West revolves around feminism, female “empowerment”.

    1) The decline of white fertility–and worse smart white fertility–via the push for female careerism, and against traditional marital arrangements.

    2) The replacement of the male societal ethos–protection–with a female ethos–nurturing.

    Between the two we have empty white wombs and white societies waving in invaders.

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  • @SPMoore8
    Sounds like the BBC Economics Editor is providing precisely the kind of justification for this refugee influx that I surmised this weekend. I realize most people here think the consequences of this will be dire (and in the US, too), and they may be right, but it all goes back to having slow, or negative, population growth.

    On the other hand, many posters argue that population shrinkage is a good thing; it would be good to have some external articles on that, as well as case studies. (Black Death being an obvious but radical example, but describing a very different economy.)

    I think the only salvation for the West in terms of HBD would be some kind of ideology that promoted sexual modesty, strong marriages, and lots of children, sort of like the Duggars but less insane. But there is no such ideology gaining ground. People will stand in line for 72 hours to get an iGadget but they won't do that to marry or have children.

    I think the only salvation for the West in terms of HBD would be some kind of ideology that promoted sexual modesty, strong marriages, and lots of children, sort of like the Duggars but less insane. But there is no such ideology gaining ground. People will stand in line for 72 hours to get an iGadget but they won’t do that to marry or have children.

    Well said on the values Mr. Moore. But that ideology already exists–various forms of Christianity, evangelicals, trad Catholics, (stretching “Christianity”) Mormons.

    What’s happening “under the covers” is that the white population in white nations is skewing more “pro-natalist” as selection takes it’s toll. But that is covered by the huge demographic tsunami of mass immigration. Absent that, white nations’ populations would have peaked, then would fall a bit and then recover into some sort of steady\quasi-steady state as family life became more affordable and more people being born were family oriented sorts.

    Unfortunately, the white haters have jumped on this moment of demographic transition and with mass immigration and “diversity” have plunged in the dagger.

    ~~~

    My main argument here with you is that you also don’t just seek “lots of children”–i.e. high fertility. What you seek is robust eugenic fertility. The smart, strong, healthy, capable having lots of children; the stupid, weak, sickly, incompetent having fewer–ideally none.

    That’s what the West used to have–strong selection for IQ, conscientiousness, cooperation, along with health. But now the welfare state encourages the screw ups to breed. And even more pernicious, the reigning ideology encourages smart and capable women *not* to breed, by pushing feminism, female careerism, the enviro-sensitive “two children” limit.

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    • Replies: @AnotherDad
    Males--especially the intellectually oriented types (well represented here)--tend to not quite grasp the strength of conformism in women. They really do sort of "do what they are told". If the reigning ideology tells 'em "yo go girl"--you need a career, you need to explore your sexuality, you need to delay marriage till you're 30 and "ready"--then that's what they tend to do. The biological imperatives are nonetheless still in play. And a bunch--maybe most--of these gals start to feel that clock ticking--especially when others in their circle start to marry--and sort of "wake up" around 30, stomp their feet and expect a husband\father\provider to appear. But basically they are doing what they are told. We have lot fertility, because the ideology tells women to pursue a "life script" that delivers it--for many of them zero fertility! Likewise ideologically. The schools, the media, all the institutions push PC, diversity, "tolerance" ... women follow along. Standing up for your race and culture against invasion and attack is ... being "mean!"

    I think a lot of HBD folks--in part because the damage of this mass immigration crime is so in-your-face, it's hard to credit anything else--fail to give due credit to how much of the melt down of the West revolves around feminism, female "empowerment".

    1) The decline of white fertility--and worse smart white fertility--via the push for female careerism, and against traditional marital arrangements.

    2) The replacement of the male societal ethos--protection--with a female ethos--nurturing.

    Between the two we have empty white wombs and white societies waving in invaders.
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  • @anonymous
    Speaking of H1-B visas:


    "EXCLUSIVE — Displaced Disney Cast Member: How They Replaced Me, Other Americans, With Cheap Foreigners On H1B Visas", by Displaced Disney Cast Member7 Sep 2015, Breitbart:


    "...Twenty years of hard work, technical skill building, the fostering of relationships and a bachelor’s degree in Information Technology...

    ...company’s earnings were up well over 20 percent... a new CIO, Tilak Mandadi, was appointed...

    ...the phone rang ... well connected... told me that since I had such a great reputation as a problem solver, had just cleared up a major outage situation the week prior and since I recently received the very highest possible performance review by management, that the meeting must be one to recognize my recent contributions to the company with perhaps a promotion or at the very least a bonus....

    ...I was in a room surrounded by employees of excellence. ...All of you in this room will be losing your jobs in the next 90 days. Your last day of employment for this company will be January 30, 2015. Your jobs have been given over to a foreign workforce. In the meantime you will be training your replacements until your jobs are 100 percent transferred over to them and if you don’t cooperate you will not receive any severance pay. Also, if we don’t feel confident that we have captured everything that you do we can, at our discretion, keep you longer than the 90 days until we have captured everything that you do with this job...

    ...A huge influx of foreign workers from South Asia started to arrive at numerous buildings on the Disney Orlando campus in very large numbers. A foreign language was suddenly being spoken throughout the building hallways. Everywhere I went, including the company cafeteria, the composition of the company changed so much in the period of only a week. ...

    ...the foreign workers insisted that they record all the audio as well as everything that we did on our computer screens with recorded video during the training meetings...

    ...I actually received a significant pay raise during my last 30 days with the company because I had received the highest possible job rating in performance reviews....

    ...I would never recommend the IT field to my own children or anybody else that I know for that matter, due to the lack of job opportunities even for someone passionate about the IT field. We now have American IT workers being displaced by both H1-B visa holders, who are physically being flown in from foreign countries, as well as the continued use of foreign remote offshore workers...

    ...How can our lawmakers allow this to happen to our country? This abuse of the H1-B Visa is not about a lack of talent here in the U.S. If our own pool of IT professionals were so incompetent- then why would companies like Disney have us train our replacements and spend months teaching them? ...

    ...It is very clear that the H1-B visa is about cutting wages and exploiting immigration guest workers programs at less pay. ...

    ...I challenge policy makers to ask themselves- what is the ripple effect of this program to our country? ...

    ...all employees who have been displaced by a foreign worker, whether the foreign worker is located in, or outside of, the United States territory, need to stand up for their rights and for the rights of all American citizen workers. Similarly, any American citizen or permanent resident who applied for a job but was denied the position because it was filled by an immigration visa employee should determine if that denial of the position was a violation of his/her rights. I implore displaced employees and employees denied positions to visit the following website for options in taking a stand and possibly recovering for the potential violation of his/her constitutional rights. If you feel that you are powerless in the face of this tsunami think again.

    www.ProtectUSworkers.org "

     

    Thank you for posting about Disney workers being replaced by H1B guest workers. (Has Trump been asked about it? I’d like to see him and/or Senator Jeff Sessions lead an Al Sharpton style boycott march in front of Disney.)

    If you plan to continue posting here, please pick screen name, so we can follow you.

    All the best.

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  • @SPMoore8
    I just don't see that there's a cabal out there trying to Islamize Europe, just as I don't think there's a cabal trying to turn the US into North Mexico. I think it's just shortsighted love of profit.

    No question our cultures (US and EU) devalues children. Women have little security under current divorce regimes, men are not held sufficiently responsible, neither childbirth nor parenthood are held up as positive sacrifices.

    On the contrary, the "good life" is always expressed in terms of having "high status" (good schools) and "high income." Nothing else matters, and anything less is failure. You can even see this with people who have children: they have to be high status, and high earners. Nothing else matters.

    It's like the whole business with "careers". Nobody gives a sh*t when you are 65 and you announce that you used to be a VP for whatever at whosis bank. That wasn't a career, that was a job. The same applies to most careers jobs. They are jobs.

    But whatever. I don't think there's any master mind pulling the strings so I don't think there's any master mind who is going to convince a bunch of millenials to live in constant near poverty and near constant debt just so they can marry for love at 24 and have 5 kids. Just not going to happen.
    At least, not on a large scale.

    I just don’t see that there’s a cabal out there trying to Islamize Europe, just as I don’t think there’s a cabal trying to turn the US into North Mexico.

    If there’s not a cabal, someone is doing a damned good job of making it look like there is. A number of Islamic State cadres were calling for Muslims to invade Europe’s shores and from the looks of it they were being obeyed. Within our ranks, at least one Jewish commentator remarked of post-1965 immigration, “The more diverse America is, the safer Jews are!” (He was quite wrong, of course, but it is perception and intent, not reality and result, we are concerned about here.)

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    I try to resist thinking in terms of conspiracies. I think it usually muddies the water unnecessarily.

    Note that when people support "the narative" or follow their ethnic interests this is not the same as a conspiracy.

    On the other hand Ye Gods when a previously apparently hard-headed woman like Merkel acts as if wanting to bring down the temple of European civilisation on her own people what, as Hillary would say, difference does it make?

    I am a great believer in the cock up theory of history but people like Merkel are walking open-eyed towards disaster. When does a conspiracy merely become short hand for the inexplicable?
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  • @snorlax
    I think just pointing at business' desire for low wages half misses the mark. We have a somewhat bizarre situation where self-serving greed is blindly filtered through PC ideology, or at least spherical-cow supply and demand graphs. They act as though there is no difference between immigrants from Switzerland, Syria and Somalia, so therefore more people = lower wages + no downsides!

    Openly conspiring to impoversh the working class for a few extra bucks is a perfectly acceptable thing to do, but it is absolute, career-destroying, verboten thoughtcrime to think the thought that maybe skyrocketing crime, white flight, corruption and increasingly anti-business politics will be more harmful to one's business than slightly reduced wages will help.

    It's really a kind of truly bizarre doublethink - business leaders must act like amoral money-grubbing sociopaths to please the shareholders, but must unquestioningly accept every PC maxim to keep their careers, so they act like an amoral money-grubbing sociopath would if all the PC maxims were actually true.

    It's the type of thing the Czechs like to write about. Like The Power of the Powerless but more Kafkaesque.

    “Openly conspiring to impoversh the working class for a few extra bucks is a perfectly acceptable thing to do, but it is absolute, career-destroying, verboten thoughtcrime to think the thought that maybe skyrocketing crime, white flight, corruption and increasingly anti-business politics will be more harmful to one’s business than slightly reduced wages will help.”

    Not the same thing as the imported underclass, but my well-known company is now at least 20% Indian for salaried employees, and it’s a manufacturing company. No one is supposed to question or discuss it, just pretend like it happened randomly, like a particularly windy Summer day.

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  • Commenter Romanian calls our attention to this relevant passage from Edward Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire about the decision of the Emperor Valens in 376 A.D. to permit -- and even assist -- the crossing of the Danube, until then the frontier of Roman civilization, by German barbarians. In the opinion...
  • This is the best illustration I’ve seen of Santayana’s aphorism, “Those who do not study the past are doomed to repeat it.”

    Can we blame the Ivy League for this failure? History gets short shrift in the contemporary academy, which emphasizes critical thinking but requires few facts be learned upon which such thinking can be exercised. Knowledge good => ignorance bad.

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  • This is the best illustration I’ve seen of Santayana’s dictum, “Those who do not study the past are doomed to repeat it.”

    Can we blame the Ivy League for this failure? World history gets short shrift in the contemporary academy, which emphasizes critical thinking but requires few historical facts be learned upon which such thinking can be exercised.

    Ignorance begets naivete.

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  • @Zach
    From "The Fall of the Roman Empire" by Peter Heather (published 2005)

    "In the summer of 376, a vast throng of people – men, women and
    children – suddenly appeared on the north bank of the River Danube
    asking for safe haven in Roman territory. One source, not our best,
    reports that 200,000 refugees appeared beside the river; Ammianus,
    that there were too many to count.

    The Romans quickly learned what lay behind all the mayhem.
    Again in Ammianus’ words: ‘The seed-bed and origin of all this
    destruction and of the various calamities inflicted by the wrath of Mars,
    which raged everywhere with extraordinary fury, I find to be this: the
    people of the Huns.’

    Ammianus was writing nearly twenty years later, by which time the
    Romans had a better understanding of what had brought the Goths to
    the Danube. Even in the 390s, though, the full effects of the arrival of
    the Huns were far from apparent. The appearance of the Goths beside
    the river in the summer of 376 was the first link in a chain of events that
    would lead directly from the rise of Hunnic power on the fringes of
    Europe to the deposition of the last western emperor, Romulus
    Augustulus, almost exactly one hundred years later. None of this was
    even remotely conceivable in 376, and there would be many twists and
    turns on the way. The arrival of Goths on the Danube marked the start
    of a reshuffling of Europe-wide balances of power....."

    Heather concludes his book:

    "The west Roman state fell not because of the weight of its own ‘stupendous fabric', but because its Germanic neighbours had responded to its power in ways that the Romans could never have foreseen. There is in all this a
    pleasing denouement. By virtue of its unbounded aggression, Roman
    imperialism was ultimately responsible for its own destruction."

    Are radical Islamists the new Huns? If the moderate Muslim majorities will not fight for their rights, is it the West’s responsibility to take them in? I don’t think so. A people that will not help itself cannot be helped. That applies to us in the West just as much as to those in the Middle East.

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  • Demographic replacement is cultural suicide. Wasn’t that Auster’s thesis in a nutshell?

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  • @The Z Blog
    This policy or resettling barbarians into Roman territory did not start in the fourth century. In started in the third century. The political turmoil and warfare along the borders left vast swaths of land depopulated. The solution landed upon was to invite German tribes to resettle into these lands. The condition was they disarmed and became farmers.

    These economic migrants also made up the auxilia used to defend the frontier in what Edward Luttwak describes as defense-in-depth. By the end of the fourth century, Rome was depending entirely on non-citizens for defense. I'm sure that will not be an issue for Europe as all of these Arab Muslim will embrace multiculturalism and abandon Islam in favor of materialism.

    Sweet. That makes the 20th century wars Western Civilization’s “Crisis of the Third Century” analogue.

    My new favourite Roman/modern analogy.

    It has the flaws inherent in all such comparisons, but still a source of gratifying clarity.

    I wonder what figures of the recent past that would cast in such roles as Diocletian or Constantine. There is an oversupply of candidates for the roles of Valens, his lackeys, and of Honorius.

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  • From the BBC: Why Germany needs migrants more than UK Robert Peston Economics editor 2 hours ago From the section Business 325 comments There is an economic and demographic backdrop to the differential policies towards asylum-seekers of Germany and the UK - to Germany's relatively open door, that compares with the UK's heavily fortified portal...
  • @rvg
    What is even the point of all this blog when unless you are senile, you will notice that even with zero immigration, the US already has the demographics of the Dominican Republic or PR in the millenial and generation z.

    It keeps us from offing ourselves.

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  • Within a generation Germany as we know it will have ceased to exist. Merkel is in the process of ethnically cleansing her own people who are only too happy to preside over their demographic demise.

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  • @Anonymous
    Well if you look at the average English working class white then maybe tribesmen from the Hindu kush will be an improvement to the gene pool.

    It is interesting that the white working class is often demonised by people who can hardly contain their excitement about ‘exotic’ people who will surely manifest a loathing of these bien pensant types in a remarkably short space of time.

    Luckily the goo-goo liberal is carefully trained not to notice the sneers of the brown exotics.

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  • @yaqub the mad scientist
    "That’d free up German workers to move up the professional ladder into more specialized industries."

    Challenge: I've heard this claim for 25 years in regards to the US. Can you identify where this actually happened here?

    You are right. The problem is that in every wave of peon class immigrants come others of higher abilities. The early movers are also often in frontier mode, even if the frontier is a nice, placid, western town.

    They will work for less and work more enthusiastically for a time; living, as has been noted in this neighbourhood, in cramped accommodations that locals reject.

    The original inhabitants are demoralised at multiple levels. The normal lifecycle of school leavers starting somewhere at relatively low wages before rising up (blue collar or white collar) is disrupted. The immigrants receive favourable treatment in many ways; not least their own ethnic networks which often outflank more individualistic westerners.

    The community bell curve of appropriate opportunities that – ideally – provides decent employment for the less able as well as the more gifted is devastated as the lower end drifts into welfare, the upper end becomes isolated from the wider community, and the vital middle withdraws and despairs.

    Without mass migration a nation will adjust. Not least the less able become more valuable; absent communitarian competition trust is retained and optimism remains buoyant. If there are problems the community must sort it out, not a Leninist fraternity.

    Germany organised the Euro so that it retained hard money, a competitive currency and access to markets and pools of labour; at devastating costs to much of the rest of the Eurozone. Germany tilts the playing field in its favour, then later demands the rest of Europe pay the price for its artificially boosted Labour demands. Its productivity advances, as noted in these parts, already having evaporated.

    The EU is an machine for the destruction of nations. Overlooked in this crisis is the calamity of European agriculture. Alternatively neglected and coddled the EU’s massive support mechanisms have proven hurtful and shortsighted.

    Vive La Révolution!

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  • @iSteveFan

    I think Singapore has tried pretty hard to raise the birthrate of its citizens, without much success.
     
    Given that Singapore has one of the highest population densities in the world, maybe the smart people not having too many kids are onto something. But I understand what you are getting at.

    Singaporeans will only consider having children if it can be guaranteed that they will be perfect .

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  • @Anonymous
    Well if you look at the average English working class white then maybe tribesmen from the Hindu kush will be an improvement to the gene pool.

    What is the average English working class white like?

    “Well if you look at the average English working class white then maybe tribesmen from the Hindu kush will be an improvement to the gene pool.”

    They aren’t. Only about 40% of Afghan and Bangladeshi immigrant adults living in Britain are employed – and that includes part-time work. Meanwhile New Zealand immigrants, who are mostly of Anglo-Celtic stock, have an 80% employment rate.

    Great Britain may have a large, sad white underclass, but it did not get to be the 19th richest country in the world (per capita income) because of a large, dumb, lazy population. Same can be said for its offshoots. The Anglosphere countries – Canada (#15), USA (#10), Australia (#5) and New Zealand (#21), Ireland (#11) – all do very, very well by any economic measure. Only Germanic/Scandinavian countries do consistently better.

    The underclasses of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India are proportionally far larger, far dumber, and far more pathetic than anything Great Britain can muster.

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    "The underclasses of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India are proportionally far larger, far dumber, and far more pathetic than anything Great Britain can muster."

    Most of the underclass in these countries still do not even have indoor plumbing, even though it is the 21st Century for crying out loud.

    When Westerners start riding self driving cars, the Indian, Afghani, and Pakistani underclass still won't have a toilet to piss and crap on. They are still in the stone age.

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  • @SPMoore8
    "Controlling" involves the use of force. The numbers of migrants is very large, far larger, it appears to me, than anything that say Australia has had to confront.

    So what do you do with the migrants, once you winkle them out? Put them into detention camps, or detention holds on ship, take them back to where they came from, offload them, and leave? That would provide endless opportunities for civil disturbances, if not flat out riots, which in turn will require force, and which in turn will cause casualties. Nobody can stomach that reality. Not yet, anyway.

    Frankly I don't think the US nor EU has the manpower required for it, but even if they did, they don't have the political will to use the force that it would require.

    “Frankly I don’t think the US nor EU has the manpower required for it…”

    Oh bullshit. Rescuing the ships requires far more manpower, because once the migrants know you will accept them, the more that come. Tow a few boats back to Libya and they would stop coming entirely – problem solved, done, over. We know this. Australia has done this, and their solution has worked. The current migrant population has exploded because European navies are rescuing them in the Mediterranean.

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    The current migrant population has exploded because European navies are rescuing them in the Mediterranean.
     
    Anagram alert! I first read that as "naives" (sans dieresis), and it worked just as well, as in equally accurate.
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  • @ben tillman

    All she has to do is work 16 hours a week at a minimum wage job to collect a weekly income of 811.37 pounds. That’s US$64,550 per year for working a 16 hour minimum wage job. And that’s the “harsh” policy imposed by the Tory/Liberal Dem coalition government.
     
    No, it's much worse than that: (1) She also gets the wages from the part-time job, and (2) The benefits are not taxed, so the receipt of $64,550 in benefits is the the equivalent of a much higher pre-tax income.

    Though a lot of that benefit will go in rent i.e. in profit to some landlord. Plenty of Housing Benefit millionaires in London, though for obvious reasons they don’t crow about it.

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  • Commenter Romanian calls our attention to this relevant passage from Edward Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire about the decision of the Emperor Valens in 376 A.D. to permit -- and even assist -- the crossing of the Danube, until then the frontier of Roman civilization, by German barbarians. In the opinion...
  • It is interesting why Valens lost at Hadrianople. Constantine had broken the Legions into smaller units and posted them in urban areas to ensure regional loyalty. The frontiers were guarded by (in their modern-day formulations), national guard troops and special forces. As a result, the Legions ceased to train in and lost their ability to wage large-scale formation warfare. When the Legions assembled at Hadrianople, they were poorly led and poorly trained for the task at hand. When the Goths attacked their flank, the Romans could not “wheel” their formation to counter the attack. The Goths rolled up the Roman flank and, as at Cannae, surrounded and slaughtered the Romans.

    The analogy between the current mass migrations into the Anglo-Saxon Empire and the disaster at Hadrianople can be extended to current US military doctrine. Like the Romans, the United States has also altered is military doctrine to replace training to wage large-scale formation warfare with small unit actions by special forces chasing barbarian raiders around the periphery of the Empire. It is a good guess that the United Stats has also lost its ability to wage large-scale formation warfare. The Russians, however, continue to train to fight such wars.

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  • From the BBC: Why Germany needs migrants more than UK Robert Peston Economics editor 2 hours ago From the section Business 325 comments There is an economic and demographic backdrop to the differential policies towards asylum-seekers of Germany and the UK - to Germany's relatively open door, that compares with the UK's heavily fortified portal...
  • @Anonymous
    “Most refugees are young, well educated & highly motivated – just the sort of people we are looking for” Daimler CEO

    Um, aren't there millions of men in Britain, France, Spain, Italy, Greece, and Ukraine who would fit this description and who cannot find jobs?

    Sure, but they won’t work for slave wages like refugees will. At least part of the refugees, the rest will live off social benefits. The latter is fine and dandy for business. Let tax- payers foot the bill.

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  • @Ed
    Well at least she acknowledges the masses of refugees she's inviting to Germany will change the nation.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/germanys-merkel-says-record-refugee-influx-change-nation-102904757.html

    "What we are experiencing now is that will occupy and change our country in coming years," she said after 20,000 migrants arrived at the weekend alone.

    "We want the change to be positive, and we believe we can accomplish that," she added.

    Merkel said scenes of spontaneous solidarity from hundreds of Germans who greeted families fleeing wars in Syria and beyond at railway stations with gifts and welcome signs were "very moving" and "breathtaking".

    "That is something very valuable, especially in view of our history," she said, expressing joy that "Germany has become a country that many people abroad associate with hope".

    “Well at least she acknowledges the masses of refugees she’s inviting to Germany will change the nation.”

    True, it will destroy Germany’s historic identity as a homeland for ethnic Germans, fragment its society, overburden its social services, lower its national average IQ and reduce its famed economic competitiveness and innovation.

    But at least left-wing Germans will feel better about their country’s fascist past through the morally redemptive infusions of non-Western peoples.

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  • Peston has described himself as “culturally Jewish”. See The Jewish Chronicle.

    Of course, Israel won’t take all those high-IQ future entrepreneurs from Syria, Afghanistan and Eritrea because the Jewish community is famous for not caring about money.

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  • @Anonymous
    Germany currently has a very tight labor market, which is increasing wages and employment opportunities for German workers.

    Can you show us some evidence of these increasing wages?

    German industry has responded by demanding an increase in net migration, but this has been mostly blocked by powerful unions and right-wing ethnic interests. There are some visas (such as the Blue Card) aimed at bringing in foreign workers, but substantial non-EU labor migration is not feasible. Recently, there were attempts to open up the German labor market to immigration, but this was clamped down on.

    Does neighboring EU labor not have access to the German market? Are there not millions of unemployed European men in Spain, France, Greece, England, etc.? Even if they are restricted from entry to Germany, wouldn't "German industry" first prefer someone closer by?

    The Syrian refugees may not be geniuses, but they can at least work in factories and construction. That’d free up German workers to move up the professional ladder into more specialized industries.

    How many years would be required for this to take effect, for workers who are "freed up" to get trained to "move up the ladder"? Wouldn't "German industry" prefer to immigrants already trained for "specialized industries"?

    Also, since the refugees are young, they won’t be consuming much in healthcare services and pension (yet).

    Don't many of them have families? Won't it be quicker for them to have families than to train a blue collar German for a "specialized industry"?

    Germany and the other EU states have indicated that they won’t be giving residency to the economic refugees, just the refugees fleeing war (ie most of them). This reflects the enduring influence of unions over politics in the EU. It’s easy to open the gate to refugees of wars in the Middle East, but economic migration isn’t so easy to push.

    Why can't the unions block all "refugees"?

    In the long-term, the Syrians may extract more wealth than they produce (for German corporate interests), but in the short term they’ll be utilized to drive down wages for highly-paid German workers.

    So a Syrian displaces a German from a construction job and the German construction worker goes on to plausibly compete for a "highly-paid" job in a "specialized industry"? Don't they alreaddy do this now though? I mean, if it's so easy to enter a high paying job, wouldn't German construction workers already be angling toward one and hence be increasing the supply?

    This doesn't increase the supply of highly paid workers, it only increases the supply of construction workers.

    Does neighboring EU labor not have access to the German market? Are there not millions of unemployed European men in Spain, France, Greece, England, etc.? Even if they are restricted from entry to Germany, wouldn’t “German industry” first prefer someone closer by?

    Neighboring workers aren’t coming in large enough numbers. Spaniards and Greeks want high wages to abandon their homes for Germany. Syrians will take whatever they are paid. Hence the preference for Syrians.

    America’s construction industry often employers minimum wage Mexicans over unemployed youth. Why? They’re work longer hours for less money, with a readiness to relocate anywhere.

    How many years would be required for this to take effect, for workers who are “freed up” to get trained to “move up the ladder”? Wouldn’t “German industry” prefer to immigrants already trained for “specialized industries”?

    German industry has been pleading with the govt to open up the country to Indian engineers. Labor unions have mostly blocked this (so far).

    Don’t many of them have families? Won’t it be quicker for them to have families than to train a blue collar German for a “specialized industry”?

    In the short-term, they won’t be bringing over their families.

    So a Syrian displaces a German from a construction job and the German construction worker goes on to plausibly compete for a “highly-paid” job in a “specialized industry”? Don’t they alreaddy do this now though? I mean, if it’s so easy to enter a high paying job, wouldn’t German construction workers already be angling toward one and hence be increasing the supply?

    Sure they do, but they often have to entice the construction worker with much higher pay. Especially if the construction worker needs more education and has to relocate. If Syrians drive down construction wages, then some German construction workers will willingly leave their industry for a more specialized industry.

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  • @Anonymous

    Can you show us some evidence of these increasing wages?
     
    Circa 1990, Germany had, by far, the highest factory wages in the world, and was increasingly uncompetitive as a result. They then had 18 years of the slowest wage growth in the world as lower skilled factory work was rapidly moved to elsewhere in Europe, in particular Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, and Hungary. As wages rose elsewhere but not in Germany, the country gradually regained its competitiveness.


    Sorry, mate, still not seeing it. Where is the evidence that Germany is suffering from a labor shortage?

    German auto workers average close to $70/hr.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/28/1049409/-German-auto-manufacturers-high-profits-and-high-pay-show-why-U-S-labor-laws-need-to-be-stronger

    Anytime wages go that high, industry claims there’s a “labor shortage.”

    Don’t be surprised to later read that auto wages have fallen and that lots of Syrian refugees ended up in the auto manufacturing factories.

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  • @Chrisnonymous
    The costs of mistakes, lost stock and merchandise, lawsuits, absenteeism, etc are all real costs. I find it hard to believe that German employers really think Syrians and Germans are interchangeable labor inputs.

    Moreover, I find it very difficult to believe that German employers can't make calculations about the kind of country their children will inherit.

    I think it's more plausible that this is a case of social signaling/ identity--goodwhites vs badwhites, as Derb says.

    The costs of mistakes, lost stock and merchandise, lawsuits, absenteeism, etc are all real costs. I find it hard to believe that German employers really think Syrians and Germans are interchangeable labor inputs.

    They’re not, but a minimum-wage Syrian is still more economical than a $30/hr German. He’s easier to abuse too, as he’s non-unionized.

    Moreover, I find it very difficult to believe that German employers can’t make calculations about the kind of country their children will inherit.

    California businessmen didn’t back when they started to hire huge numbers of Mexican illegals during the late 70s and 80s. Those illegals eventually displaced a huge number of white Californians, including the more affluent. I really doubt German employers care about their country. The mentality is that they’ll make so much money that their children can afford to insulate themselves in a wealthy enclave, which is the norm in much of the world (especially Latin America).

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  • @Priss Factor
    In history, blessings turn to curses and curses into blessings.

    Long ago, China created a powerful centralized government ruled over vast territories.
    Europe remained fragmented.
    It was a blessing for China as it was unified into a great power, and it was a curse for Europe as various kingdoms and principalities ceaselessly bashed one another.

    But over time, the competition among the various kingdoms and principalities led to great deal of dynamism and innovation among Europeans. A blessing. Meanwhile, unified and centralized China grew stagnant under the dominance of a single imperial ruling elite. A curse.

    In the 20th century, the competition among the European nations led to suicidal WWI and WWII. A curse.
    In the 20th century, China once again unified into one polity and grew into an economic powerhouse. A blessing.

    EU is a strange creature as it's a combination of the competition-among-states-model and unity under one governing principle. If the concept of EU only served Europeans, it might work. But EU is really WU, or world union, as it is helpless to stop Europe from merging with the rest of the world. EU couldn't do anything about EU turning into EAMU or Eurpoean-African-Middle-Eastern-Union with endless refugees or refuses.

    The problem is that there’s no such thing as a ‘European’ national identity. Europeans are either chauvinistic French/German/etc nationalists or they’re internationalists who love Europe and Africa and Asia.

    A resurgence of nationalism among Europeans will mean an end to these immigration-invasions, but it will also lead to a renewal of intra-European squabbling. The EU won’t survive this process.

    It’s a conundrum.

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  • @Anonymous
    It’s really a kind of truly bizarre doublethink – business leaders must act like amoral money-grubbing sociopaths to please the shareholders, but must unquestioningly accept every PC maxim to keep their careers, so they act like an amoral money-grubbing sociopath would if all the PC maxims were actually true.

    So perhaps that might be considered an internal contradiction in JohnnyWalker's theory. And perhaps should cause us to look elsewhere for an explanation of what we are observing.

    Nobody expects business leaders to accept every PC maxim. If this was true, a large percentage of corporate execs would be black and Latino. Silicon Valley would be hiring huge numbers of graduates of historically black colleges. The top investment banks and law firms would be minting huge numbers of NAM partners. Given that none of this has happened, I’d assume that business leaders are well aware of the shortcomings of some ethnic groups and not under that much pressure to change their thinking.

    Yes, it’s true that business leaders must mouth PC in public, but that doesn’t mean much. In public, we’re not allowed to tell women that they’re fat and ugly. In private, nobody questions why men chase hot girls and ignore the big girls. Bill Gates says he thinks every child is a learner, but nobody cares that he hires huge numbers of Indians and has made no meaningful attempt to hire blacks.

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  • @Anonymous
    Sorry, I simply cannot agree with you.
    Thilo Sarrazin's recent book comprehensively and explicitly underlines the way the previous mass intake of third world labor into Germany happened to be a non-working, welfare chomping economic and fiscal disaster.

    Thilo Sarazzin’s point is that the Muslim immigrants, in the long-term, have made Germany worse off. In the short-term, Turkish Gasterbeiter did enrich German industrialists during the 60s and 70s. It was when they had children and grandchildren that their costs became apparent.

    I’d assume that Merkel and her corporate backers aren’t looking past a 10-year horizon. By then, they’ll mostly be retired. Then it’s someone else’s problem.

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  • @anon

    There’s some truth in the article.
     
    There is no truth in the article.

    The only way to increase prosperity is to increase productivity so you *want* a tight labor market to encourage technological innovation.

    Solving the problem with immigrant labor not only reduces productivity in the short term it destroys it over the long term because there is no incentive to invest in innovation.

    Employers are stuck in a tragedy of the commons dynamic where importing more labor is the easiest path but in the long term it is stupid.

    The only way to increase prosperity is to increase productivity so you *want* a tight labor market to encourage technological innovation.

    Not if you’re in it for the short-term buck.

    Employers are stuck in a tragedy of the commons dynamic where importing more labor is the easiest path but in the long term it is stupid.

    Thank you for making my point.

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    Your point is that there is truth in the article.

    There is not a shred of truth in the article as the last 30 years overwhelmingly shows

    Employers in the West are as much a victim of hostile economic propaganda from people like Peston as everyone else.

    The *only* thing that can increase prosperity is increased productivity. Mass immigration has been destroying productivity for years hence why the entire western economy is in such a mess.

    Peston's article is yet another example of propaganda promoting the bankster fallacy.
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  • Commenter Romanian calls our attention to this relevant passage from Edward Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire about the decision of the Emperor Valens in 376 A.D. to permit -- and even assist -- the crossing of the Danube, until then the frontier of Roman civilization, by German barbarians. In the opinion...
  • @unpc downunder
    I assume these migrants are aware that Western Europe is running out of welfare money, and more and more of what there is will have to go towards paying for old white people's pensions and hip operations?

    There's a looming battle between young immigrants and old whites, and even old white people can be dangerous when threatened by immigrants trying to steal their pensions.

    Too bad those old White people can’t be roused to defend their own White children though.

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  • I assume these migrants are aware that Western Europe is running out of welfare money, and more and more of what there is will have to go towards paying for old white people’s pensions and hip operations?

    There’s a looming battle between young immigrants and old whites, and even old white people can be dangerous when threatened by immigrants trying to steal their pensions.

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    Too bad those old White people can't be roused to defend their own White children though.
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  • From the BBC: Why Germany needs migrants more than UK Robert Peston Economics editor 2 hours ago From the section Business 325 comments There is an economic and demographic backdrop to the differential policies towards asylum-seekers of Germany and the UK - to Germany's relatively open door, that compares with the UK's heavily fortified portal...
  • @km
    On my recent trip to Bavaria I did observe that the population was very old. It was a bit strange to be among so many grey-haired people in public spaces. But locals told me Bavaria was the best part of Germany, because it had the least immigrants. The standard of living seemed high, but the place was crowded. I guess it will get more crowded. Nothing seems possible to stop the slide toward demographic replacent. Westerners, especially women, are simply too decadent. It seems Germany is overcoming its past by importing violent antisemites....

    It’s perfectly possible to stop it. The only problem Europeans have is a hostile elite created by having a hostile media.

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  • @Anonym
    The one constant is Rupert Murdoch. In every single publication of his, a pro-immigration tone is taken. Murdoch is the literal archetype of the Cuckservative. Cucked by Blair and Wendy Deng, he has an unquenchable fever for immigration.

    Cucked by Blair and Wendy Deng

    Blair’s homosexual. Stories like that are designed to hide it.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Story Begins To Unravel About Drowned Syrian Boy

    Details about the Syrian family of the three-year old boy, who drowned as they made their way to Europe from Turkey on a small dingy, began to emerge recently and some things do not add up.

    According to The Wall Street Journal, Abdullah Kurdi, the little boy’s father, was living in a relatively safe area in a Turkish town for three years while working on construction sites for 50 Turkish lira (roughly $17) a day.

    However, Kurdi told a Syrian radio station it was not enough to support himself and his family and he relied on his sister Tima Kurdi, who is a 20-year resident of Canada, to assist in paying the rent.

    It should be noted that Tima told reporters Thursday that the family just came to Turkey last year, even though WSJ points out he came to Turkey three years ago, and his Facebook “shows pictures of the family in Istanbul crossing the Bosporus and feeding pigeons next to the famous Yeni Cami, or new mosque.”

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/07/story-begins-to-unravel-about-drowned-syrian-boy/#ixzz3l7SJvaV5

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  • @SPMoore8
    I just don't see that there's a cabal out there trying to Islamize Europe, just as I don't think there's a cabal trying to turn the US into North Mexico. I think it's just shortsighted love of profit.

    No question our cultures (US and EU) devalues children. Women have little security under current divorce regimes, men are not held sufficiently responsible, neither childbirth nor parenthood are held up as positive sacrifices.

    On the contrary, the "good life" is always expressed in terms of having "high status" (good schools) and "high income." Nothing else matters, and anything less is failure. You can even see this with people who have children: they have to be high status, and high earners. Nothing else matters.

    It's like the whole business with "careers". Nobody gives a sh*t when you are 65 and you announce that you used to be a VP for whatever at whosis bank. That wasn't a career, that was a job. The same applies to most careers jobs. They are jobs.

    But whatever. I don't think there's any master mind pulling the strings so I don't think there's any master mind who is going to convince a bunch of millenials to live in constant near poverty and near constant debt just so they can marry for love at 24 and have 5 kids. Just not going to happen.
    At least, not on a large scale.

    I just don’t see that there’s a cabal out there trying to Islamize Europe

    I’m really surprised you in particular can’t see it.

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  • @Cryptogenic
    Unfortunately this is the truth. English proles seem to grow increasingly retarded-looking. Drool Brittania. Still, they have a long way to go before they match the genetic caries of their 75 IQ grateful guests.

    Ever notice how the rhetoric of the greatness of immigrants makes them sound like vitamins? They're always "infusing," "energizing" and giving "boosts" to "tired" and "old" societies.
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  • @SPMoore8
    "Controlling" involves the use of force. The numbers of migrants is very large, far larger, it appears to me, than anything that say Australia has had to confront.

    So what do you do with the migrants, once you winkle them out? Put them into detention camps, or detention holds on ship, take them back to where they came from, offload them, and leave? That would provide endless opportunities for civil disturbances, if not flat out riots, which in turn will require force, and which in turn will cause casualties. Nobody can stomach that reality. Not yet, anyway.

    Frankly I don't think the US nor EU has the manpower required for it, but even if they did, they don't have the political will to use the force that it would require.

    The navy tows the boats back where they came from and then scuttles them.

    Very easy.

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  • @Wilkey
    I would add: the benefit cap hits London welfare recipients disproportionately. Sounds like the standard SWPL way of depopulating the big cities of "vibrant populations" and dumping them onto the provinces and 'burbs.

    That’s exactly it. They piled millions of immigrants up in the cities – massively compressed into minimal housing so most people in the country weren’t affected – and now they’re unleashing them into the smaller towns like opening a dam.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Speaking of H1-B visas:

    “EXCLUSIVE — Displaced Disney Cast Member: How They Replaced Me, Other Americans, With Cheap Foreigners On H1B Visas”, by Displaced Disney Cast Member7 Sep 2015, Breitbart:

    “…Twenty years of hard work, technical skill building, the fostering of relationships and a bachelor’s degree in Information Technology…

    …company’s earnings were up well over 20 percent… a new CIO, Tilak Mandadi, was appointed…

    …the phone rang … well connected… told me that since I had such a great reputation as a problem solver, had just cleared up a major outage situation the week prior and since I recently received the very highest possible performance review by management, that the meeting must be one to recognize my recent contributions to the company with perhaps a promotion or at the very least a bonus….

    …I was in a room surrounded by employees of excellence. …All of you in this room will be losing your jobs in the next 90 days. Your last day of employment for this company will be January 30, 2015. Your jobs have been given over to a foreign workforce. In the meantime you will be training your replacements until your jobs are 100 percent transferred over to them and if you don’t cooperate you will not receive any severance pay. Also, if we don’t feel confident that we have captured everything that you do we can, at our discretion, keep you longer than the 90 days until we have captured everything that you do with this job…

    …A huge influx of foreign workers from South Asia started to arrive at numerous buildings on the Disney Orlando campus in very large numbers. A foreign language was suddenly being spoken throughout the building hallways. Everywhere I went, including the company cafeteria, the composition of the company changed so much in the period of only a week. …

    …the foreign workers insisted that they record all the audio as well as everything that we did on our computer screens with recorded video during the training meetings…

    …I actually received a significant pay raise during my last 30 days with the company because I had received the highest possible job rating in performance reviews….

    …I would never recommend the IT field to my own children or anybody else that I know for that matter, due to the lack of job opportunities even for someone passionate about the IT field. We now have American IT workers being displaced by both H1-B visa holders, who are physically being flown in from foreign countries, as well as the continued use of foreign remote offshore workers…

    …How can our lawmakers allow this to happen to our country? This abuse of the H1-B Visa is not about a lack of talent here in the U.S. If our own pool of IT professionals were so incompetent- then why would companies like Disney have us train our replacements and spend months teaching them? …

    …It is very clear that the H1-B visa is about cutting wages and exploiting immigration guest workers programs at less pay. …

    …I challenge policy makers to ask themselves- what is the ripple effect of this program to our country? …

    …all employees who have been displaced by a foreign worker, whether the foreign worker is located in, or outside of, the United States territory, need to stand up for their rights and for the rights of all American citizen workers. Similarly, any American citizen or permanent resident who applied for a job but was denied the position because it was filled by an immigration visa employee should determine if that denial of the position was a violation of his/her rights. I implore displaced employees and employees denied positions to visit the following website for options in taking a stand and possibly recovering for the potential violation of his/her constitutional rights. If you feel that you are powerless in the face of this tsunami think again.

    http://www.ProtectUSworkers.org

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    • Replies: @North Carolina Resident
    Thank you for posting about Disney workers being replaced by H1B guest workers. (Has Trump been asked about it? I'd like to see him and/or Senator Jeff Sessions lead an Al Sharpton style boycott march in front of Disney.)

    If you plan to continue posting here, please pick screen name, so we can follow you.

    All the best.
    , @ben tillman

    Your jobs have been given over to a foreign workforce. In the meantime you will be training your replacements until your jobs are 100 percent transferred over to them and if you don’t cooperate you will not receive any severance pay.
     
    Why are there never lawsuits over this stuff? It seems like clear-cut illegal discrimination based on national origin and, by disparate impact, race.
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  • @Steve Sailer
    "migration industry spivs"

    http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7020/6620311225_b1f489ac62_b.jpg

    Ha. Also reminds of this song:

    “Hey buddy, would you like to buy a watch, real cheap?”

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  • Commenter Romanian calls our attention to this relevant passage from Edward Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire about the decision of the Emperor Valens in 376 A.D. to permit -- and even assist -- the crossing of the Danube, until then the frontier of Roman civilization, by German barbarians. In the opinion...
  • The only permanent destruction that civilizations suffer is from racial change.

    It is shocking to me that so many White parents are nonchalant about the misery they are leaving to their children just so they won’t be called “rayyyccisss”.

    There is a special place in Hell for cowards like that.

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  • From the BBC: Why Germany needs migrants more than UK Robert Peston Economics editor 2 hours ago From the section Business 325 comments There is an economic and demographic backdrop to the differential policies towards asylum-seekers of Germany and the UK - to Germany's relatively open door, that compares with the UK's heavily fortified portal...
  • @Intelligent Dasein
    Who are these people, like this Rabbi, who must continuously pretend that they care? What do they get out of it?

    Who are these people, like this Rabbi, who must continuously pretend that they care? What do they get out of it?

    The opportunity to preen, and to reassert that they are on the side of the angels, without it costing them, personally, anything at all.

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  • @Expletive Deleted
    So after near enough half a century of Malthusian jeremiads on overpopulation, because The Plaaaneeeetttttt! or whatever, the shiftstick is crunched into reverse? Trouble is, only the perceptive, intelligent, law-abiding Europeans and Chinese had been listening to the deafening wall of propaganda noise, and limited their progeny. Sucks to be them.

    The anti-natal poison coming out of the US media is meant for white people only.

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  • @SPMoore8
    Sounds like the BBC Economics Editor is providing precisely the kind of justification for this refugee influx that I surmised this weekend. I realize most people here think the consequences of this will be dire (and in the US, too), and they may be right, but it all goes back to having slow, or negative, population growth.

    On the other hand, many posters argue that population shrinkage is a good thing; it would be good to have some external articles on that, as well as case studies. (Black Death being an obvious but radical example, but describing a very different economy.)

    I think the only salvation for the West in terms of HBD would be some kind of ideology that promoted sexual modesty, strong marriages, and lots of children, sort of like the Duggars but less insane. But there is no such ideology gaining ground. People will stand in line for 72 hours to get an iGadget but they won't do that to marry or have children.

    but it all goes back to having slow, or negative, population growth.

    Then halt all immigration and introduce pro-natal policies instead.

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @JohnnyWalker123
    There's some truth in the article.

    Germany currently has a very tight labor market, which is increasing wages and employment opportunities for German workers. German industry has responded by demanding an increase in net migration, but this has been mostly blocked by powerful unions and right-wing ethnic interests. There are some visas (such as the Blue Card) aimed at bringing in foreign workers, but substantial non-EU labor migration is not feasible. Recently, there were attempts to open up the German labor market to immigration, but this was clamped down on.

    The mass migration of Syrians into Germany gives German employers access to a large pool of low-wage labor. This is the main reason why Merkely, a pro-business conservative who caters to corporate&financial interests, is so pro-refugee. This is an attempt to navigate around the anti-immigration unions and nationalists. Merkel is enabling mass immigration without changing migration laws substantially.

    The Syrian refugees may not be geniuses, but they can at least work in factories and construction. That'd free up German workers to move up the professional ladder into more specialized industries. Also, since the refugees are young, they won't be consuming much in healthcare services and pension (yet).

    Germany and the other EU states have indicated that they won't be giving residency to the economic refugees, just the refugees fleeing war (ie most of them). This reflects the enduring influence of unions over politics in the EU. It's easy to open the gate to refugees of wars in the Middle East, but economic migration isn't so easy to push. That's good news for the Syrians and some of the other nationalities, but bad news for Balkans migrants and South Asians (Pakistan, Bangladesh).

    In the long-term, the Syrians may extract more wealth than they produce (for German corporate interests), but in the short term they'll be utilized to drive down wages for highly-paid German workers. Since most politicians and business leaders only care for the short-term, it makes sense to be lenient toward refugees for now.

    Once you follow the money, everything makes sense.

    There’s some truth in the article.

    There is no truth in the article.

    The only way to increase prosperity is to increase productivity so you *want* a tight labor market to encourage technological innovation.

    Solving the problem with immigrant labor not only reduces productivity in the short term it destroys it over the long term because there is no incentive to invest in innovation.

    Employers are stuck in a tragedy of the commons dynamic where importing more labor is the easiest path but in the long term it is stupid.

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    The only way to increase prosperity is to increase productivity so you *want* a tight labor market to encourage technological innovation.

     

    Not if you're in it for the short-term buck.

    Employers are stuck in a tragedy of the commons dynamic where importing more labor is the easiest path but in the long term it is stupid.

     

    Thank you for making my point.
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  • @jill
    "Most refugees are young, well educated & highly motivated - just the sort of people we are looking for" Daimler CEO

    https://twitter.com/SPIEGELONLINE/status/640539865650712576

    Lügenpresse in der Propagandaoffensive

    For the last few weeks, the German media has been busy telling lies (Lügen) about die Flüchtlinge — zB, that they are “gut ausgebildet” und/oder “hoch qualifiziert”.

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  • @G Pinfold

    ...watching Fox this morning. Even this “right wing” network is propagandizing for mass arab and african muslim immigration into Europe. Why is Fox referring to political leaders who oppose this mass migration pejoratively as “right wing” and the left-wing leaders cheering it on as “compassionate?”
     
    The MSN is now claiming that political leaders need to do more to respond to the "growing wave of global support for the refugees'. The 'wave' is said to be 'intensifying'. By way of evidence, they present the usual suspects saying the usual things they usually say.

    Fifty channels can go 24/7 with NGO dittoheads, socialist politicians, nice ladies, ethnic agitators, migration industry spivs, human rights lawyers, special snowflakes and other blowhards. But what does it prove? There is no wave; only circular turbulence, like water draining down a plug hole.

    “migration industry spivs”

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    Ha. Also reminds of this song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjPBNUQ1udM

    "Hey buddy, would you like to buy a watch, real cheap?"

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  • Commenter Romanian calls our attention to this relevant passage from Edward Gibbon's The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire about the decision of the Emperor Valens in 376 A.D. to permit -- and even assist -- the crossing of the Danube, until then the frontier of Roman civilization, by German barbarians. In the opinion...
  • anon • Disclaimer says:

    Why can’t we look back on 2015 with the same ironic detachment?

    Civilizations have been destroyed from within for many thousands of years.

    For people of White European descent that has worked out well because if all those previous civilizations hadn’t been destroyed we wouldn’t be here

    - France, Germany etc would just be part of Greater Sumeria, or Greater Babylonia, Egypt, Persia etc.

    I expect that it being our turn to have our civilization destroyed from within would be why it’s harder to be detached.

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  • @Jimi
    I predict in 10-20 years the Left will come out for Social Security means-testing and cuts. The Left will argue that it is racist to tax disproportionately non-White workers to pay for the benefits of disproportionately White retirees.
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  • Maybe someone should do a Classics illustrated Comic Book version of Gibbon’s Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire? Then someone might make it into a movie and these stupid fuckers can see how this story is going to turn out.
    I think these idiots would welcome a Dalek Invasion if it kept another Hitler from being elected. If they think Mohammed is better than Hitler on the Jewish Question they must have the historical literacy of Goober on the Andy Griffith Show.

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  • @iSteveFan

    I just don’t see that there’s a cabal out there trying...
     
    But you do see that the West has lower birth rates and the population will be in decline. Whether or not that is good, bad or indifferent is another question. You have noted the declining birth rates and written that is a justification for immigration.

    OK, so if that is a problem where have the governments been to address it? As a regular Sailer reader you are well aware of the USG's 50 plus year effort to end the "Gap". You are aware of the USG's effort to desegregate every 'burb and village with Section 8. Where are the similar efforts with regards to increasing the birth rate, if the declining birth rate is really the issue?

    Keep in mind it wasn't too long ago that the culture (maybe even government) promoted the idea that people shouldn't have too many kids due to overpopulation. I am old enough to remember hearing that stuff as a kid. Yet all the while that message was being sent to middle America, the immivasion was in full swing. Why?

    What is even the point of all this blog when unless you are senile, you will notice that even with zero immigration, the US already has the demographics of the Dominican Republic or PR in the millenial and generation z.

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    It keeps us from offing ourselves.
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  • Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Will consumerism destroy the world?

    The default mindset of a people is tribalism.

    Various ideologies have tried to eradicate tribalism.

    Christianity failed. Islam failed. Communism failed. Democracy-ism failed.

    Under communism in the USSR, there was a lot of stuff about workers-of-the-world, but most people clung or reverted to their ethnic identity.

    But consumerism is like a happy drug that hooks people to the opiate of narcissism, hedonism, and me-me-me-ism, and that seems to be doing the trick. So many idiots are immersed in the narcissism of consumerism that they are happily rejecting their own identity, history, and nationality.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    In history, blessings turn to curses and curses into blessings.

    Long ago, China created a powerful centralized government ruled over vast territories.
    Europe remained fragmented.
    It was a blessing for China as it was unified into a great power, and it was a curse for Europe as various kingdoms and principalities ceaselessly bashed one another.

    But over time, the competition among the various kingdoms and principalities led to great deal of dynamism and innovation among Europeans. A blessing. Meanwhile, unified and centralized China grew stagnant under the dominance of a single imperial ruling elite. A curse.

    In the 20th century, the competition among the European nations led to suicidal WWI and WWII. A curse.
    In the 20th century, China once again unified into one polity and grew into an economic powerhouse. A blessing.

    EU is a strange creature as it’s a combination of the competition-among-states-model and unity under one governing principle. If the concept of EU only served Europeans, it might work. But EU is really WU, or world union, as it is helpless to stop Europe from merging with the rest of the world. EU couldn’t do anything about EU turning into EAMU or Eurpoean-African-Middle-Eastern-Union with endless refugees or refuses.

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    The problem is that there's no such thing as a 'European' national identity. Europeans are either chauvinistic French/German/etc nationalists or they're internationalists who love Europe and Africa and Asia.

    A resurgence of nationalism among Europeans will mean an end to these immigration-invasions, but it will also lead to a renewal of intra-European squabbling. The EU won't survive this process.

    It's a conundrum.
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  • @NOTA
    I thought all those unemployed people from Spain, Greece, and Portugal were already heading to Germany to take those jobs. Wouldn't they provide a lot of lower-wage labor already?

    The real reason for taking on refugees is for humanitarian reasons. And this is reasonable, within some limits, just like giving some money to charity is reasonable. But that means deciding how many refugees make sense to take, and choosing the ones you are willing to have--not taking any group that can riot at a train station and get a lot of TV time.

    Still waiting to see if anyone wants to serve up an actual answer to my question. I’m pretty confident there won’t be.

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  • @Malcolm X-Lax

    So to put it another way, it is arguably particularly useful to Germany to have an influx of young grateful families from Syria or elsewhere, who may well be keen to toil and strive to rebuild their lives and prove to their hosts that they are not a burden – in the way that successive immigrant waves have done all over the world (including Jews like my family in London’s East End).
     
    Hey, how about that! And named "Preston" no less! By the way, was watching Fox this morning. Even this "right wing" network is propagandizing for mass arab and african muslim immigration into Europe. Why is Fox referring to political leaders who oppose this mass migration pejoratively as "right wing" and the left-wing leaders cheering it on as "compassionate?" Btw, most of the "refugees" are young and male. Enjoy your Rotherhams, Europeans.

    …watching Fox this morning. Even this “right wing” network is propagandizing for mass arab and african muslim immigration into Europe. Why is Fox referring to political leaders who oppose this mass migration pejoratively as “right wing” and the left-wing leaders cheering it on as “compassionate?”

    The MSN is now claiming that political leaders need to do more to respond to the “growing wave of global support for the refugees’. The ‘wave’ is said to be ‘intensifying’. By way of evidence, they present the usual suspects saying the usual things they usually say.

    Fifty channels can go 24/7 with NGO dittoheads, socialist politicians, nice ladies, ethnic agitators, migration industry spivs, human rights lawyers, special snowflakes and other blowhards. But what does it prove? There is no wave; only circular turbulence, like water draining down a plug hole.

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    "migration industry spivs"

    http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7020/6620311225_b1f489ac62_b.jpg

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    I keep hearing about unemployment in Europe but need for more workers.

    What be going on?

    I think it has something to do with the Japper concept of the three D’s : dirty, dangerous, and demeaning waruku.

    Native population is over-educated and look down on 3D jobs. So, if possible, they go to other nations to find work if they can’t find it in their own country. Instead of settling for 3D work, they seek fancy work elsewhere. So, who has to fill the 3D work? Foreigners from poorer nations who are desperate for any job.
    This leads to brain drain of native population and inflow of low IQ foreigners.

    This is what happens when labor is depreciated. We need a Museum of Labor that emphasizes how all the great things were made by people who worked at jobs that were ‘dirty, demeaning, and dangerous’. Look at the highways. Who built them? People with shovels and picks.

    When a people feel they are too good for manual labor in their own nation, they are finished.

    And womenfolk need to listen to this song:

    Lay, lady, lay, lay across my big brass bed
    Stay, lady, stay, stay with your man awhile
    Until the break of day, let me see you make him smile
    His clothes are dirty but his hands are clean
    And you’re the best thing that he’s ever seen

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    "This is what happens when labor is depreciated. We need a Museum of Labor that emphasizes how all the great things were made by people who worked at jobs that were ‘dirty, demeaning, and dangerous’. Look at the highways. Who built them? People with shovels and picks. " - or, we could offer high wages to people who will do crap jobs instead of replacing them with low wage foreigners.
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  • @George
    1) They will take up space in potentially vacant real estate.

    2) "genetic engineering prodigy " How about adequate carpenter. Being from NYC I can tell you when the Soviet Union collapsed there were Soviet military officers doing normal sorts of construction work. Who would you want re pouring your driveway an American public school graduate or someone with an engineering degree who built bunkers for the People's Paradise.

    Lots of refugees also have credentials that can be used. All sorts of scientists from the Soviet Union ended up here. In the case of the Syrians, they all look like svelte modern types whose families could afford to pay their way to Germany even though they must have lost fortunes due to the war.

    My mother likes to tell the story of when she worked in a candy shop in university. There was a physicist that used to frequent the shop but just handed my mother whatever money he had because he couldn’t make change. Whether he couldn’t or couldn’t be bothered is not really so important.

    In the early 90s I did an under the table construction job with an older Pole who was “visiting” the US. He kept telling me to slow down and take more breaks.

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  • On my recent trip to Bavaria I did observe that the population was very old. It was a bit strange to be among so many grey-haired people in public spaces. But locals told me Bavaria was the best part of Germany, because it had the least immigrants. The standard of living seemed high, but the place was crowded. I guess it will get more crowded. Nothing seems possible to stop the slide toward demographic replacent. Westerners, especially women, are simply too decadent. It seems Germany is overcoming its past by importing violent antisemites….

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    It's perfectly possible to stop it. The only problem Europeans have is a hostile elite created by having a hostile media.
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  • @Obelix
    The most effective way to increase the native birthrate would be to make spacious houses available at affordable prices to young married couples. It would be better than just giving them money. But that's difficult to do in the crowded countries of northwestern Europe because property/land prices are so high.

    You might be right, but I note that Japan has taken some steps toward subsidizing family formation without very good results.

    I think there is a lot of hard-to-pin-down groupthink involved in birthrates. Single people talk to each other about problems and trade-offs and create a lot of anxiety over children and marriage, then balk.

    The fact that births are higher among lower IQ and less educated groups should indicate that there is a positive cintribution to short time horizons. I think this is partly why there was a baby boom post-wwii: people were just happy to be alive, not worrying overmuch about retirement, affording vacations, investing in education, etc

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  • This is a new angle on the old idea that postwar German prosperity is based on immigration. I think G.K. Galbraith argues this in one of his books.

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  • @Hippopotamusdrome


    Sounds about right.
    All the “migrants” are, of course, young men of what the US deems as “Military-age”

     

    But could they field a modern army that could win a pitched battle against us? I don't think so.

    Do they have to? Look at Iraq, that recent past may become Europe’s not-too-distant future.

    I do not believe that Eurofor will be wiped out in some Cannaeesque Battle of the Rhineland or any such thing, but I could easily see bands of “warriors for Social Justice (and Islam)” pillaging town after town without an effective or organized military response. The drip and drab losses of such insurgencies will break what is left of the West’s military power as surely as losing a field campaign. After all, you can blow up an apartment building full of terrorists with artillery and drone strikes quite easily… when it is thousands of miles from your home in a country you give not one whit about. When it is half-filled with your own neighbors and family, that is a different story. Willpower, not fancy weapons is what wins wars. The weapons can only increase the effectiveness of a fighting nation’s will to win, not replace it.

    While I was digging through info on Western Rome’s fall, I discovered this play by Swiss author Friedrich Dürrenmatt: Romulus the Great.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_the_Great

    It is an ahistorical piece where the last Emperor of Western Rome deliberately allows his nation to be destroyed by the Germans because he believes it is too violent and morally compromised to be allowed to continue to exist. I’ll take a guess that if Frau Merkel ever read it, she was rooting for the Emperor, but not because she was proud of her German ancestors.

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  • From the BBC: Why Germany needs migrants more than UK Robert Peston Economics editor 2 hours ago From the section Business 325 comments There is an economic and demographic backdrop to the differential policies towards asylum-seekers of Germany and the UK - to Germany's relatively open door, that compares with the UK's heavily fortified portal...
  • @Malcolm X-Lax

    So to put it another way, it is arguably particularly useful to Germany to have an influx of young grateful families from Syria or elsewhere, who may well be keen to toil and strive to rebuild their lives and prove to their hosts that they are not a burden – in the way that successive immigrant waves have done all over the world (including Jews like my family in London’s East End).
     
    Hey, how about that! And named "Preston" no less! By the way, was watching Fox this morning. Even this "right wing" network is propagandizing for mass arab and african muslim immigration into Europe. Why is Fox referring to political leaders who oppose this mass migration pejoratively as "right wing" and the left-wing leaders cheering it on as "compassionate?" Btw, most of the "refugees" are young and male. Enjoy your Rotherhams, Europeans.

    The one constant is Rupert Murdoch. In every single publication of his, a pro-immigration tone is taken. Murdoch is the literal archetype of the Cuckservative. Cucked by Blair and Wendy Deng, he has an unquenchable fever for immigration.

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    Cucked by Blair and Wendy Deng
     
    Blair's homosexual. Stories like that are designed to hide it.
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  • @NOTA
    I think Singapore has tried pretty hard to raise the birthrate of its citizens, without much success. The people you most want having kids are probably the least influenced by financial incentives. It's probably not so hard to cut the birthrate of the sort of people you'd rather *not* have kids (like teenagers and high-school dropouts) by providing free long-acting birth control. Mostly, they didn't want kids, so you're helping them do what they wanted to so but weren't together enough to manage on their own. But the kind you want having kids (smart educated professionals) have more demanding constraints on when they can have kids (grad school, residency, tenure, partner, crazy startup schedule) and also have more money and choices. Having three kids means detracting from the singular focus needed for success. And by their nature, they're more than capable of controlling how many kids they have.

    Yeah but Singapore maintains its ethnic balance at a very steady rate. I.E. Singaporeans remain mostly ethnic Chinese. Many Chinese come from Malaysia where affirmative action in favour of Muslim Malays poisons the atmosphere.

    P.S. They don’t talk about this much perhaps because it is just one of those things that are understood by everyone to be correct.

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  • @SPMoore8
    Sounds like the BBC Economics Editor is providing precisely the kind of justification for this refugee influx that I surmised this weekend. I realize most people here think the consequences of this will be dire (and in the US, too), and they may be right, but it all goes back to having slow, or negative, population growth.

    On the other hand, many posters argue that population shrinkage is a good thing; it would be good to have some external articles on that, as well as case studies. (Black Death being an obvious but radical example, but describing a very different economy.)

    I think the only salvation for the West in terms of HBD would be some kind of ideology that promoted sexual modesty, strong marriages, and lots of children, sort of like the Duggars but less insane. But there is no such ideology gaining ground. People will stand in line for 72 hours to get an iGadget but they won't do that to marry or have children.

    I think the only salvation for the West in terms of HBD would be some kind of ideology that promoted sexual modesty, strong marriages, and lots of children, sort of like the Duggars but less insane. But there is no such ideology gaining ground.

    Larger family sizes are achievable with nothing more than basic social willpower.

    My parents stressed strongly delayed family making. I remember being told you shouldn’t have too many children because global overpopulation will be a problem. If my culture stressed having a large family, I would have done so. Convincing people to have larger families is really not that hard.

    Women have strong influence on their immediate families, not so much men. If the women want their immediate families to have more kids, they can absolutely influence that.

    To me and I imagine most people here, the threat of swift demographic replacement was unheard of until recently. I know Camp of the Saints was published in 1973, but that was a fringe book that normal people never heard of until recently.

    Most environmentalists have stressed that the number one environmental problem is population growth. These are left-leaning liberal academic environmentalists saying this, not fringe alt-right types. And worse, we can’t come close to supporting today’s population at western standards of living where everyone has a car and plumbing and eats manufactured foods. Third world inhabitants currently have very low environmental footprints. Some don’t use any electricity or cars or plumbing.

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  • @Nico
    Very true, and very telling that so many of the "classic" stereotypical staples of American consumerist banality - junk food, pop CDs, plastic Disney trinkets, public schools, etc. - have for at least twenty years been on a slow but sure fall from favor with whites, while non-East Asian minorities continue to gobble them up in droves.

    Speaking of fast food, as someone who works in the Ag equipment industry, I wonder how much more dependent on immigrants and minorities our grain-based farm system has become, what with many higher-educated whites ditching the grains and processed foods the last couple decades.

    I mean, which cultures do we know are heavily grain and legume based? The Indians are vegetarians if not vegans, and rice and beans are Mexican staples. So we get to import tens of millions of new consumers to keep these industries alive.

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    @Jack D

    it is arguably particularly useful to Germany to have an influx of young grateful families from Syria or elsewhere, who may well be keen to toil and strive to rebuild their lives and prove to their hosts that they are not a burden – in the way that successive immigrant waves have done all over the world (including Jews like my family in London’s East End).
     
    And it is arguably NOT useful to have an influx of young angry men who may harbor resentment toward the West, who may well be keen to go on the dole and strive to kill infidels and prove to their hosts that it was a big mistake letting them in - in a way that is much like the prior waves of Muslim immigration that have already proved problematic for Europe.

    It's arguable either way, but which one is more likely given what we know about Muslims? It is utterly crazy that Jews could think for one minute that these men are anything like their beloved immigrant ancestors - they are as different as chalk and cheese.

    Here is a picture of 8 year old Ashkenazi Jew Samuel Reshevsky taking on a group of French chess master. I don't know the results of this match but the following year he played a group of 20 West Point officers and cadets and beat 19 (1 draw). Ashkenazi Jewry produced figures like Reshevsky by the boatload (plus musical geniuses, mathematical geniuses, etc., not to mention tons of doctors, lawyers, etc.) Has there EVER been a Muslim immigrant that had that kind of brain power? Even one?

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Samuel_Reshevsky_versus_the_World.JPG

    Here is a picture of 8 year old Ashkenazi Jew Samuel Reshevsky taking on a group of French chess master. I don’t know the results of this match but the following year he played a group of 20 West Point officers and cadets and beat 19 (1 draw). Ashkenazi Jewry produced figures like Reshevsky by the boatload (plus musical geniuses, mathematical geniuses, etc., not to mention tons of doctors, lawyers, etc.) Has there EVER been a Muslim immigrant that had that kind of brain power? Even one?

    Poor Reshevsky, who became the U.S. champ right when Bobby Fischer was ascending. While Reshevsky was intelligent, based on his career apart from chess, being a top chess player doesn’t necessarily mean someone is intelligent. Geoff Colvin in Talent is Overrated cites a study which shows some international masters (one step below GM) had below average IQs.

    As for one Muslim immigrant, I would say the late Abdus Salam, Nobel Laureate in Physics (1979) and theoretical physicist in the UK (Oxford). Salam was a practicing Muslim but his views were very mystical and liberal.

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  • Truly, there is no cure for stupidity…..if aliens from another galaxy were coming to suck the brains out of humans, I’m sure this tool would welcome them as long as they paid taxes.

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  • @Anonymous
    Germany currently has a very tight labor market, which is increasing wages and employment opportunities for German workers.

    Can you show us some evidence of these increasing wages?

    German industry has responded by demanding an increase in net migration, but this has been mostly blocked by powerful unions and right-wing ethnic interests. There are some visas (such as the Blue Card) aimed at bringing in foreign workers, but substantial non-EU labor migration is not feasible. Recently, there were attempts to open up the German labor market to immigration, but this was clamped down on.

    Does neighboring EU labor not have access to the German market? Are there not millions of unemployed European men in Spain, France, Greece, England, etc.? Even if they are restricted from entry to Germany, wouldn't "German industry" first prefer someone closer by?

    The Syrian refugees may not be geniuses, but they can at least work in factories and construction. That’d free up German workers to move up the professional ladder into more specialized industries.

    How many years would be required for this to take effect, for workers who are "freed up" to get trained to "move up the ladder"? Wouldn't "German industry" prefer to immigrants already trained for "specialized industries"?

    Also, since the refugees are young, they won’t be consuming much in healthcare services and pension (yet).

    Don't many of them have families? Won't it be quicker for them to have families than to train a blue collar German for a "specialized industry"?

    Germany and the other EU states have indicated that they won’t be giving residency to the economic refugees, just the refugees fleeing war (ie most of them). This reflects the enduring influence of unions over politics in the EU. It’s easy to open the gate to refugees of wars in the Middle East, but economic migration isn’t so easy to push.

    Why can't the unions block all "refugees"?

    In the long-term, the Syrians may extract more wealth than they produce (for German corporate interests), but in the short term they’ll be utilized to drive down wages for highly-paid German workers.

    So a Syrian displaces a German from a construction job and the German construction worker goes on to plausibly compete for a "highly-paid" job in a "specialized industry"? Don't they alreaddy do this now though? I mean, if it's so easy to enter a high paying job, wouldn't German construction workers already be angling toward one and hence be increasing the supply?

    This doesn't increase the supply of highly paid workers, it only increases the supply of construction workers.

    German worker shortage solution aspect is just H1-B visa personnel shuffle to lower costs, with a stylish continental EU twist.
    That shows how snap decisions based on emotional arguments can have many unintended long-term and life-altering consequences. The Malcolm Gladwells of the world can blink and snap all they want, but Hans and Franz still have to buy groceries.

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  • @Anonymous
    Well if you look at the average English working class white then maybe tribesmen from the Hindu kush will be an improvement to the gene pool.

    What is the average English working class white like?

    Not sure if they qualify as “working class” since so few actually work but I think this example is close.

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