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    Edit 2/24/14 [Post updated, see below] Edit 7/20/13: [Post updated as per HBD Chick's comment. See below] The European colonists (mostly British, French, and Germans, with a smattering of other groups) who first settled North America brought with them their distinct "cultural" features that laid the foundation for the persistent regional differences across the U.S....
  • […] book American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America A Tentative Ranking of the Clannishness of the “Founding Fathers Maps of the American Nations Demography is Destiny, American Nations Edition Assortative migration […]

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  • Continuing my on-going series on the regional differences – genetic regional differences – between the different Euro-Americans in the United States and Canada, here I will present a series of maps demonstrating some of the evidence for the existence and significance of these differences, beyond the historical circumstances explored by David Hackett Fischer (DHF) in...
  • […] Cultures of North America A Tentative Ranking of the Clannishness of the “Founding Fathers Maps of the American Nations Demography is Destiny, American Nations Edition Assortative migration patterns A Dialect Map of […]

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  • Edit 2/24/14 [Post updated, see below] Edit 7/20/13: [Post updated as per HBD Chick's comment. See below] The European colonists (mostly British, French, and Germans, with a smattering of other groups) who first settled North America brought with them their distinct "cultural" features that laid the foundation for the persistent regional differences across the U.S....
  • […] book American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America A Tentative Ranking of the Clannishness of the “Founding Fathers Maps of the American Nations Demography is Destiny, American Nations Edition Assortative migration […]

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  • Across the United States, there is a general pattern – at least among Whites – of urban dwellers tending to be more liberal and rural dwellers tending to be more conservative. Indeed, this pattern is so pronounced that Steve Sailer managed to produce a now well-known (at least in the HBD-sphere) hypothesis of White American...
  • Wouldn’t the German portion of Texas be another one of these pockets?

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  • Updated, 9/11/15 9/4/15. See below! Throughout this blog, I've talked a lot about the American Nations – a concept, based on a book by Colin Woodard, that North America is divided into several ethno-cultural-political regional "nations". These nations are distributed approximately as shown above. The empirical bases of the existence of these ethno-cultural entities has...
  • […] Seed. Here the genetic data show that they remain alive and well. Previously, in my post Genes, Climate, and Even More Maps of the American Nations, we saw that the founding British colonists came from distinct parts of the British Isles and […]

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  • My previous two posts featured some of the flags – assigned by me – of the various "nations" of North America, as described by Colin Woodard, and as derived from David Hackett Fischer. Inspired by the Bloomberg map of the American nations, where Woodard assigned a flag to each nation, I thought I'd make my...
  • […] modern civilized (Northwestern European) people by getting them to give up Islam. You can’t turn the U.S. Deep South and Greater Appalachia into Yankeedom or the Midlandsby getting the former two to give up fundamentalist […]

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  • […] and, of course, jayman has been all over american nations issues for the past couple of years (see here and here, for […]

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  • Across the United States, there is a general pattern – at least among Whites – of urban dwellers tending to be more liberal and rural dwellers tending to be more conservative. Indeed, this pattern is so pronounced that Steve Sailer managed to produce a now well-known (at least in the HBD-sphere) hypothesis of White American...
  • @Staffan
    Swedes are highly conformist, much more so than Norwegians. Many rooted for the Nazis when they looked as if they might win but then abruptly shifted to democratic socialism after the war.

    Swedes (as well as Germans) are also heavy drinkers and Norwegians are teetotalers. A big split in the American Lutheran Church happened because of Norwegian American support for prohibition as opposed to German and Swedish Lutherans who did not support it.

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  • Updated, 9/11/15 9/4/15. See below! Throughout this blog, I've talked a lot about the American Nations – a concept, based on a book by Colin Woodard, that North America is divided into several ethno-cultural-political regional "nations". These nations are distributed approximately as shown above. The empirical bases of the existence of these ethno-cultural entities has...
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Not to nitpick the American nations map, and I’m sure there’s plenty of ambiguity along the borders, but as a native of the state, I’d say the Florida division isn’t quite correct. Counties as far north as Sarasota and St. Lucie are classified as part of the Spanish Caribbean, despite having well less than 10% hispanic or Spanish-speaking populations. On the flip side Tampa and Orlando are classified as Deep South, despite having very little cultural or linguistic commonalities with Georgia or Alabama.

    To be exactly accurate (though probably too busy to divide on a map of the entire country), I’d say anything North of Orlando is Deep South. Most of Central Florida, particularly along the West Coast is a Midlands exclave (high German ancestry). Given the high Puerto Rican population Orlando should be part of the Spanish Caribbean. Core Tampa is pretty Cuban, but the metro area is relatively white and German, so it probably fits better in the Midlands exclave.

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  • Lovely. I’ve always been fascinated by how the American Nations seem to roughly outline various climatic and geographic zones (especially the division between the Midlands and the far West, which almost perfectly reflects the 100th Meridian, where the Breadbasket begins to transition into a semiarid landscape).

    Nice maps, although in some the correlation looks much looser than others.

    It would be great someday to see someone write a whole book that explains the connection between human demographic expansions and geography/climate better than Jared Diamond’s “Guns, Germs, and Steel” (and maybe remember genes…). I guess we have to do with this until then!

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  • […] differently on various social indicators. A great many of these indicators were featured in my post More Maps of the American Nations (as well as in the earlier post Maps of the American Nations). The pattern we see above (and many […]

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  • Continuing my on-going series on the regional differences – genetic regional differences – between the different Euro-Americans in the United States and Canada, here I will present a series of maps demonstrating some of the evidence for the existence and significance of these differences, beyond the historical circumstances explored by David Hackett Fischer (DHF) in...
  • […] were featured in my post More Maps of the American Nations (as well as in the earlier post Maps of the American Nations). The pattern we see above (and many other patterns)  – while clearly partially the result of […]

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  • Edit 2/24/14 [Post updated, see below] Edit 7/20/13: [Post updated as per HBD Chick's comment. See below] The European colonists (mostly British, French, and Germans, with a smattering of other groups) who first settled North America brought with them their distinct "cultural" features that laid the foundation for the persistent regional differences across the U.S....
  • I notice the Quakers are near the middle of the rankings. Would that also apply to the original Mennonites, sometimes referred to as Pennsylvania Dutch, who were very much like, and many of whom became, Quakers soon after emigrating from the Rhineland to Philadelphia? I have some Mennonite ancestors is the reason I am curious.

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  • And yet another great climate zone map which you can clearly see most of the American Nations! Not sure why I am so fascinated about this but I am!

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  • Post updated, 6/10/14. See below! As we saw previously (see My Most Read Posts), my post Maps of the American Nations is the single most popular post so far here on my blog. Americans all over are supremely interested in both their origins and the reasons for the cultural quirks of the different American regions....
  • Continuing my on-going series on the regional differences – genetic regional differences – between the different Euro-Americans in the United States and Canada, here I will present a series of maps demonstrating some of the evidence for the existence and significance of these differences, beyond the historical circumstances explored by David Hackett Fischer (DHF) in...
  • Post updated, 6/10/14. See below! As we saw previously (see My Most Read Posts), my post Maps of the American Nations is the single most popular post so far here on my blog. Americans all over are supremely interested in both their origins and the reasons for the cultural quirks of the different American regions....
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  • @Patrick C. Wentz
    Outgroup regard for the Puritans being MODERATE is too kind. From reading Woodards book the Puritans often tied outsiders to aq tree and cut off their noses if they did not go along with thier culture. Quakers and others did everthing in thier power to stay away from Jolly Olde New England when the Puritans were in control.

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  • Outgroup regard for the Puritans being MODERATE is too kind. From reading Woodards book the Puritans often tied outsiders to aq tree and cut off their noses if they did not go along with thier culture. Quakers and others did everthing in thier power to stay away from Jolly Olde New England when the Puritans were in control.

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  • @Patrick C. Wentz
    Good map which shows NE movement across North America.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/the-empires-of-american-english/

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    Good find, but those were featured in the antecedent post to this one, Maps of the American Nations.

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  • Good map which shows NE movement across North America.

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2011/01/the-empires-of-american-english/

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    Good find, but those were featured in the antecedent post to this one, Maps of the American Nations.

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  • […] of illustrating this theory is by using maps of ethnic correlates, maps I’ve come to think of as JayMaps, for obvious reasons. In this case I looked at vegetarianism and English ancestry in America. For […]

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  • My earlier post, Mapping the Road to American Disunion, discussed the apparent high likelihood of increased social and political unrest in America in the coming years – a process which, with the ongoing partisan stand-off in Washington, might well be under way. This was based on the work of Peter Turchin and his field cliodynamics....
  • […] and bust cycles, represent the effects of the population cycle as described by Peter Turchin (see here for a good description of the process). Population growth sows the seeds of its undoing, by […]

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  • Colin Woodard's book, American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America, is currently generating a lot of buzz. This is, in good part, thanks to an article that appeared in Tufts Magazine in which Woodard describes his work. Like David Hackett Fischer's Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America before...
  • “Here are various German sects (Mennonites and Amish), mostly confined to the Midlands:” Deutsch speaking Swiss. Swiss from Switzerland not German from Germany.

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  • @EH
    The Quaker map seems a bit questionable. There are essentially two Quaker religions, the pastoral and the silent-meeting. The latter are more widespread though perhaps less numerous, the former are limited to the Midwest (and a bunch of Kenyans they converted.) The pastoral, programmed or evangelical "Quakers" aren't really considered proper Quakers by the predominant liberal, silent-meeting type. To give some idea of the depth of the split, in the '20s the pastoral type were associated with the KKK, while the silent-meeting type had been leaders of the Underground Railroad.

    The silent meeting Quakers are the ones that are associated with the major US cities and most of the Quaker schools. They are not noticeably Christian, indeed Jesus or the Bible are hardly ever mentioned, and it is considered gauche to bring them up. (Anyone may speak in the "silent" meetings.) Virtually all of them are converts ("convinced" Friends, rather than "birthright"); the sect had just about died out when the Vietnam War and the automatic conscientious objectorship that being a member of a meeting offered caused a huge influx of boomers. Today the silent-meeting Quakers are ultra-liberal clubs, defined mostly by extreme political correctness. They also have a remarkable uniformity of personality type. At Pendle Hill, a silent-meeting study center near Philadelphia, 17 of 19 people taking the Myers-Briggs were INFPs, a type found in about 2% of the general population. (The other two were an INTJ and an INTP).

    The map gives the idea that Quakers are not so uncommon - in reality, there have been under three million practicing Quakers in the English-speaking world over the last 400 years, less than 80,000 silent-meeting Quakers in the world today. (There are at least twice as many Ashkenazi Jews today as there have been Quakers in history.)

    They have had a disproportionate impact, however, being largely responsible for the first industrial revolution (iron made with coked coal instead of charcoal, railroads, iron rails, passenger rail, most early British mining, cast steel, iron ploughshares, interchangeable parts), as well as social innovations (schools for worker's children, workhouses, commercial / small business banking, e.g. Barclay's and Lloyds, fixed-price shops, the American type of nuclear family (see Albion's Seed), abolitionism, anti-war activism) as well as a good deal of science (many early instrument makers, Quare, Tompion, funding of the Harrison chronometer, Dalton's observationally-based atomic theory (when chemistry finally shed the last vestiges of alchemy), Young's wave theory of light, the compound microscope, early pathology, antiseptics) and a few other odds and ends such as railway timetables, metal bridges, and milk chocolate. Arthur Eddington and Nobelist Joseph Taylor are the best-known Quaker physicists; Quakers were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1946,1947 (to the Friends' Service Committees, the only time the award went to religious organizations) and 1959.

    They also played a great role in the development of the US, founding Pennsylvania, designing the Conestoga wagon, and giving rise to such icons as Annie Oakley, Betsy Ross, Daniel Boone, Dolly Madison, and James Dean.

    That reference to Quakers being the origin of the American type of nuclear family should have been Quakers and the American Family: British Settlement in the Delaware Valley by Barry Levy

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  • […] It is interesting in reading this article that the author keeps reminding people that it was the Puritans Christian beliefs that helped keep their system of governance from spinning out of control as our modern society has. He makes that point, but does not like the point he accidentally made. He has to scream “I’m not suggesting we can or should return to Puritanism! Anyone expecting to recover that faith and way of life is stumbling up dry streambeds toward wellsprings that have themselves run dry.” On this we disagree. We disagree deeply. As a matter-of-fact while we see a similar problem, the solution is as obvious to me as it is shrouded to you; a return to a Christian based Libertarian Republic is a solution. […]

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  • Post updated, 6/10/14. See below! As we saw previously (see My Most Read Posts), my post Maps of the American Nations is the single most popular post so far here on my blog. Americans all over are supremely interested in both their origins and the reasons for the cultural quirks of the different American regions....
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  • Colin Woodard's book, American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America, is currently generating a lot of buzz. This is, in good part, thanks to an article that appeared in Tufts Magazine in which Woodard describes his work. Like David Hackett Fischer's Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America before...
  • EH says:

    The Quaker map seems a bit questionable. There are essentially two Quaker religions, the pastoral and the silent-meeting. The latter are more widespread though perhaps less numerous, the former are limited to the Midwest (and a bunch of Kenyans they converted.) The pastoral, programmed or evangelical “Quakers” aren’t really considered proper Quakers by the predominant liberal, silent-meeting type. To give some idea of the depth of the split, in the ’20s the pastoral type were associated with the KKK, while the silent-meeting type had been leaders of the Underground Railroad.

    The silent meeting Quakers are the ones that are associated with the major US cities and most of the Quaker schools. They are not noticeably Christian, indeed Jesus or the Bible are hardly ever mentioned, and it is considered gauche to bring them up. (Anyone may speak in the “silent” meetings.) Virtually all of them are converts (“convinced” Friends, rather than “birthright”); the sect had just about died out when the Vietnam War and the automatic conscientious objectorship that being a member of a meeting offered caused a huge influx of boomers. Today the silent-meeting Quakers are ultra-liberal clubs, defined mostly by extreme political correctness. They also have a remarkable uniformity of personality type. At Pendle Hill, a silent-meeting study center near Philadelphia, 17 of 19 people taking the Myers-Briggs were INFPs, a type found in about 2% of the general population. (The other two were an INTJ and an INTP).

    The map gives the idea that Quakers are not so uncommon – in reality, there have been under three million practicing Quakers in the English-speaking world over the last 400 years, less than 80,000 silent-meeting Quakers in the world today. (There are at least twice as many Ashkenazi Jews today as there have been Quakers in history.)

    They have had a disproportionate impact, however, being largely responsible for the first industrial revolution (iron made with coked coal instead of charcoal, railroads, iron rails, passenger rail, most early British mining, cast steel, iron ploughshares, interchangeable parts), as well as social innovations (schools for worker’s children, workhouses, commercial / small business banking, e.g. Barclay’s and Lloyds, fixed-price shops, the American type of nuclear family (see Albion’s Seed), abolitionism, anti-war activism) as well as a good deal of science (many early instrument makers, Quare, Tompion, funding of the Harrison chronometer, Dalton’s observationally-based atomic theory (when chemistry finally shed the last vestiges of alchemy), Young’s wave theory of light, the compound microscope, early pathology, antiseptics) and a few other odds and ends such as railway timetables, metal bridges, and milk chocolate. Arthur Eddington and Nobelist Joseph Taylor are the best-known Quaker physicists; Quakers were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1946,1947 (to the Friends’ Service Committees, the only time the award went to religious organizations) and 1959.

    They also played a great role in the development of the US, founding Pennsylvania, designing the Conestoga wagon, and giving rise to such icons as Annie Oakley, Betsy Ross, Daniel Boone, Dolly Madison, and James Dean.

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  • Post updated, 6/10/14. See below! As we saw previously (see My Most Read Posts), my post Maps of the American Nations is the single most popular post so far here on my blog. Americans all over are supremely interested in both their origins and the reasons for the cultural quirks of the different American regions....
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  • […] More Maps of the American Nations – Bigger and badder than the original, with more maps solidifying the distinction between the different American nations, with genetic evidence of these differences to boot. Also some discussion of the history of each, and the founding of certain areas. I also include personality data showing that the American nations don’t just exist on paper or in the voting booth. I use these to talk about the importance of self-sorting, founder effects, and Cochran’s & Harpending’s “boiling off” model to explain some of the differences we see. I also touch on immigration and the canard that immigrants “assimilate,” showing that that is pretty much a myth. A must see if you have not. […]

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  • My previous two posts featured some of the flags – assigned by me – of the various "nations" of North America, as described by Colin Woodard, and as derived from David Hackett Fischer. Inspired by the Bloomberg map of the American nations, where Woodard assigned a flag to each nation, I thought I'd make my...
  • […] Flags of the American Nations – Here I discuss each of Colin Woodard’s American Nations, talking about the characteristics of each as well as a bit about each nation’s origins. The enduring features that make up Greater Appalachia, The Left Coast, the Deep South, etc. that live on in today’s America (and Canada and Mexico) can be traced to these ethnic differences in each region’s settling and subsequent immigration. […]

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  • Continuing my on-going series on the regional differences – genetic regional differences – between the different Euro-Americans in the United States and Canada, here I will present a series of maps demonstrating some of the evidence for the existence and significance of these differences, beyond the historical circumstances explored by David Hackett Fischer (DHF) in...
  • […] of JayMan’s pieces are masterpieces of blogging, if there can be such a thing. Look at his “Maps of the American Nations” post, for example: two thousand words, twenty maps, two video clips, and full engagement with […]

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  • Outstanding. Another post to bookmark for sure, what a rich collection of maps you’ve put together here. I cannot imagine the time this must have taken. This is critical data that is missing from almost all analysis on ‘American’ cultural questions. I have to say that reading ‘Albion’s Seed’ this winter really opened my eyes to so many things. Your series on the American nations is, as far as I can tell, unique in the blogosphere. Chapeau bas, I look forward to reading more.

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  • I don’t even know how I ended up here, but I thought this post was great.
    I do not know who you are but definitely you are going to a famous blogger if you
    are not already ;) Cheers!

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    @bbbatez:

    Thank you!

    Your welcome and thank you.

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    Maps of American nations. Well done and very interesting look at the political and cultural differences geographically.

    Thank you!

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    Maps of American nations. Well done and very interesting look at the political and cultural differences geographically.

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    Thank you!

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  • […] Tentative Ranking of the Clannishness of the “Founding Fathers” Flags of the American Nations Maps of the American Nations More Maps of the […]

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  • My previous two posts featured some of the flags – assigned by me – of the various "nations" of North America, as described by Colin Woodard, and as derived from David Hackett Fischer. Inspired by the Bloomberg map of the American nations, where Woodard assigned a flag to each nation, I thought I'd make my...
  • […] previously (see my posts A Tentative Ranking of the Clannishness of the “Founding Fathers” and Flags of the American Nations), the ancestors of the people that live in these areas came from certain, more aggressive […]

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  • Edit 2/24/14 [Post updated, see below] Edit 7/20/13: [Post updated as per HBD Chick's comment. See below] The European colonists (mostly British, French, and Germans, with a smattering of other groups) who first settled North America brought with them their distinct "cultural" features that laid the foundation for the persistent regional differences across the U.S....
  • […] discussed previously (see my posts A Tentative Ranking of the Clannishness of the “Founding Fathers” and Flags of the American Nations), the ancestors of the people that live in these areas came from […]

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  • Post updated, 6/10/14. See below! As we saw previously (see My Most Read Posts), my post Maps of the American Nations is the single most popular post so far here on my blog. Americans all over are supremely interested in both their origins and the reasons for the cultural quirks of the different American regions....
  • […] my series on the American nations, particularly my earlier post, More Maps of the American Nations, I noted the great regional variation in guns and crime. Let us look at some of these again, […]

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  • My earlier post, Mapping the Road to American Disunion, discussed the apparent high likelihood of increased social and political unrest in America in the coming years – a process which, with the ongoing partisan stand-off in Washington, might well be under way. This was based on the work of Peter Turchin and his field cliodynamics....
  • You claim that our current govt will provide stimulus unlike in the 1930s. This is wrong as both Hoover and FDR tried the Keynesian approach which did not help at all. We are greater a Greater Deflationary Depression soon and there is nothing that can stop it.

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  • fnn says:

    I was just looking inside Putnam’s book at Amazon. Was struck by how he quickly moves from brief description of old urban centers made up mostly of white ethnic (Irish, Ukrainians, Jews,etc.) neighborhoods to the the displacement of those same ethnic groups to “homogeneous” white suburbs. Funny how you can lose your ethnicity by moving a few miles. Putnam may be a sub rosa white nationalist.

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  • Woodard tried to say recently that the Democratic trend in tidewater Virginia was due to the “noblesse oblige” of the Virginia Cavaliers. Incredible. I wonder how many more facts he has stretched to accommodate his bullshitted theory.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Jayman, on the map of counties where Obama got less than 20% of the white vote, four of the five Illinois counties are counties with large state prisons. I wonder if Edison Research got confused when looking at the counties demographics. For example, Logan County gave 33% of its vote to Obama. Its largest city is 93% non-Hispanic white & other than the state prisons, the remainder of the county is surely far whiter than the 93% non-Hispanic white county seat. Yet because of the two state prisons, the Census Bureau lists Logan County as 87.7% non-Hispanic white & 11.4% institutionalized.

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  • My apologies for being off topic, but I found a document online that may interest you. I came across it while searching for “behavioral genetics phrenology,” because after first coming across (a couple of months ago) b.g. being called phrenology I have seen it several more times. So, here is the RationalWiki (as in, I suppose, anyone who does not agree is irrational) entry on Biological Determinism. It is a sort of compendium of the sorts of things that your and related blogs seem to be struggling against. It may be useful as specimen collection, or just entertaining. In the past I have considered writing a parody document along this line, but I have been summarily preempted. I am sending a similar/identical comment to several other blogs, this is too good not to share.

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Biological_determinism

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  • Wow, one of the longest Jayman’s posts since ages. Very interesting read, in addition.

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  • The link to 3rd gen Asian-American IQ is broken, the correct URL is http://pseudoerasmus.com/2014/05/21/economic-growth-human-biodiversity/comment-page-1/#comment-19 .

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  • “Today these Finnish-Americans appear to be generally more Left-leaning, much like their cousins across the Atlantic.”

    Actually, much of the Finnish-American population descends from leftists who left Finland because of anti-left persecution. Tons of socialists moved to the United States (and other countries of the Americas) because they allowed greater freedom for socialist movements than either the Tsarist empire or newly independent Finland which up to the 1930s was extremely hostile to anything even remotely left-wing. (Long story short, independence was followed by a left-wing coup, a Civil War which the left lost and tens of thousands of Reds died in the White revenge terror. After the Civil War the victors were extremely hostile to the left and large numbers of Red Finns moved to the US to “build socialism” there when even mentioning socialism in Finland could get you beaten up.)

    There was also mass migration of Finns from the US to the Soviet Union between the world wars:

    https://www.google.fi/search?q=karelia+fever

    It ended badly and that also ended much of the right/left hostility in Finland, the left stopped being pro-Soviet after all those massacres right over the border. Finland has a really bizarre history after WWII which has left us with a really unusual society where we’re much more right-wing than, say, Swedes but we’ve gone even further with the Swedish social democratic model because of Soviet pressures. It’s unraveling now and the left has been slowly collapsing since the USSR fell.

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  • ckp says:

    The North Korea regime collapses tomorrow and there’s miraculously no civil war or humanitarian crisis. The two countries begin a long and painful process of reunification, like East/West Germany on crack. ~70 years of despotic Communism and famine have left their mark on North Korean culture and even their bodies (Norkies are several inches shorter than their Southern cousins), but what about genes? Are 3-4 generations of zero introgression and (possibly) insane selection pressures on conformity enough to make Northerners notably genetically distinct from Southerners? How might this impact re-integration?

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  • Jay, in your (fabulous) analyses of the “American Nations” you overlook an interesting dimension of US history and genome: the Forest Finns of the 17th century in the mid-Atlantic. They came to be known as the Delaware Finns, and one reason you probably haven’t heard of them is that they were lumped in with their imperial absorbers in Sweden and recorded as Swedes, not Finns, in colonial records in New Sweden and later under Dutch and English rule.

    But in local records of the time, they were very much recognized as Finns, and as extremely different from the more agricultural/urbanized Swedes in New Sweden, and later Dutch and English. They manifested the close-in breeding of pre-postmodern Finns, and were recorded by the Dutch, British, French, and others as incredibly robust, fecund, self-sufficient, feisty, wicked smart, slightly spooky/dangerous, outstanding toolmakers, and in cahoots with the Lenni Lenape (local “Indians”).

    It was on this pre-existing loom that the English wove their colonial presence.

    Their (our) origins: between 1638 and 1656 a small but coherent and ultimately impactful migration of metsasuomalaiset proceeded from upper middle Sweden (mostly Varmland and Dalarna counties), of these indigenous Finno-Ugric people from today’s Eastern Finland (Savo and Karjala provinces) who had previously been removed from their forestlands where they practiced huuhta (swidden) agriculture. Those lands were wanted by Swedish royalty for manufacture of charcoal for use by the burgeoning steel and arms industries. Also around that time, Finns were fighting as mercenary cavalrymen in the Thirty Years’ War, and Sweden was beginning to persecute and outlaw as witches menfolk who practiced the older animist/pagan/song-and-drumming-based religion.

    These several hundreds of metsas located to the Delaware Valley, became extremely successful farmers and pioneers, some intermarried with Swedes and a few Dutch and English (and others), and many radiated out from there, particularly after “The Quaker Invasion” of the 1680s. Most of them stayed close in in Pennsylvania, Delaware, New Jersey, and Maryland, and “close in” is relative given that these Finns engaged in the “long hunt” tradition that could take them far away on boat-and-portage hunting, trapping, fishing, and gathering expeditions.

    A significant movement of them proceeded into the Appalachians and then farther west still. In PA/NJ they were among the American Revolutionaries (including ancestors of mine), and in fact Finns had been agitating for the colonies’ independence from Europe back into the 1600s.

    You might enjoy the late Terry Jordan’s and Matti Kaups’s book on the topic, The American Backwoods Frontier. Jordan (a geographer at UT-Austin) long argued that there is a coherent, westward flowing complex of material culture evidence for Forest Finns being the only eastern seaboard colonial people from the Old World who were genetically and culturally pre-adapted to enter and open a largely forested new continent.

    http://books.google.com/books/about/The_American_backwoods_frontier.html?id=3x8MAAAAYAAJ

    If you drop me a line, I can share more and connect you with fairly extensive resources. It might be an interesting line of inquiry for you. It’s not certain how many Americans can trace ancestry to these people, but it’s surely in the millions…and those of us who were still in the valley in the 1980s had quite coherent lineages. I come from an unbroken paternal line going back ten generations, so I also inherited a bunch of stories that didn’t make much sense till I learned in the past decade just how coherent this migration and its people were. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

    Tikka

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  • Colin Woodard's book, American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America, is currently generating a lot of buzz. This is, in good part, thanks to an article that appeared in Tufts Magazine in which Woodard describes his work. Like David Hackett Fischer's Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America before...
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  • […] does appear to be heavily German. Yet it is thoroughly red. Indeed, as we saw in my earlier post Rural White Liberals – a Key to Understanding the Political Divide, I noted that the Plains are the area where Steve Sailer’s “affordable family […]

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  • […] per HBD Chick’s theory, and fitting the clannishness of the respective founding groups (see A Tentative Ranking of the Clannishness of the “Founding Fathers”), the various American nations are predictably divided about Obama’s health care […]

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  • […] 1.Maps of the American Nations – My post based on the works of David Hackett Fischer (Albion’s Seed: Four British Folkways in America (America: A Cultural History) and Maine’s own Colin Woodard (American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America). Here, I recount the story as told by these men and add supporting evidence for the existence of the ethnocultural nations as delineated by the latter. In addition, I give background on and evidence for the genetic underpinnings of these distinctions, relying on the work of the venerable hbd* chick. I feature plenty of maps, showing how the American nations live on in our politics, our language, even our drugs. The primary message is that HBD works within nation states, and that a group, like White Americans, should NOT be thought of a monolithic collection at all, but a highly diverse and significantly varied collection of distinct peoples. […]

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  • […] found maps! And they explain American (United States) culture: Jayman's Blog: Maps of the American Nation A lot of neat ancestry and settlement maps that square with cultural and political differences. […]

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  • […] You know something is strange when the descendants of Scandinavian immigrants in America are practicing a variant of Jante Law multiple generations after the first stock of founding immigrants — long after they have forgotten how to speak Swedish or Danish or whatever. It might even make you wonder sometime. Why haven’t the corrupt institutions of America polluted them yet? [See Maps of the American Nations and Rural White Liberals – a Key to Understanding the Political Divide] […]

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  • […] A Tentative Ranking of the Clannishness of the “Founding Fathers” Sound Familiar? Flags of the American Nations The Cavaliers Maps of the American Nations Rural White Liberals – a Key to Understanding the Political Divide […]

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  • […] I hope Wade also realizes that just as not all human populations are interchangeable, not all Europeans are interchangeable. Nor, for that, matter, are all White Americans interchangeable. […]

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  • Edit 2/24/14 [Post updated, see below] Edit 7/20/13: [Post updated as per HBD Chick's comment. See below] The European colonists (mostly British, French, and Germans, with a smattering of other groups) who first settled North America brought with them their distinct "cultural" features that laid the foundation for the persistent regional differences across the U.S....
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  • My earlier post, Mapping the Road to American Disunion, discussed the apparent high likelihood of increased social and political unrest in America in the coming years – a process which, with the ongoing partisan stand-off in Washington, might well be under way. This was based on the work of Peter Turchin and his field cliodynamics....
  • Great post. I think you come closer to the real problem then 99% of the pundits out there. However, robotics is not even the root of the problem. The problem is that the technological advances have created an eco-system that enables the willing and capable to add more value to society all the while stripping away the value added of the lower end of the bell curve. As to your prediction about a recession, I don’t think that will come any time soon. That is because of the following

    1. When society as a whole progresses economically, this enable even the lower end work to charge more for their goods. A perfect example is a barber. Today’s hair dresser earns a great deal more for an hours of work(by my accounts at least $20-$40/hour before shop expense) in spite of the fact that the productivity is similar to, say, a couple of centuries ago.

    2. We are living in a society of entitlements. Today, if you are not earning anything, unlike a couple of century ago, you have a roof over your head(section 8 housing), good food to eat( food stamps), a nice TV, cell phone etc). Most would even have public transport or the use of a car. I expect this sorts of “rights” of the poor to continue to expand going forward as they have all the voting power.

    3. Being enterprising that we are, someone will find novel uses that will employ the masses. There are societies much further down this road than United States. Think of India, with a billion mostly left end of the bell curve people and a very small intellectual elite. Somehow, they manage to find employment for most of the population.

    It does not mean that what you said won’t be a problem, it is just going to take much longer for any sort of crisis to emerge.

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  • […] we’ve seen in my earlier post on the matter (Rural White Liberals – a Key to Understanding the Political Divide), significant regional differences in the White American vote exists. Particularly, there is a […]

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  • […] behaviors (and many other aspects) of the United States and Canada according to these maps (see Maps of the American Nations and Nations of Canada). Most poignant among them (and the one that interests most people) is the […]

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  • […] Of course, had RR been following along here, he would have noticed that I have discussed more than a few unflattering characteristics about “Northern Europeans” (specifically Northwest Europeans and their descendants). See An HBD Summary of the Foundations of Modern Civilization, How Inbred are Europeans, and Rural White Liberals – a Key to Understanding the Political Divide. […]

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  • @KFJ
    The Pennsylvania "Dutch" came from the whole Rhineland: particularly Alsace, but also the Palatinate, and as far upstream as Switzerland. The first group of settlers came from Krefeld, on the lower Rhine, and founded Germantown.

    http://www.loc.gov/folklife/events/BotkinArchives/2011flyers/YoderFlyer.html

    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~original13/history.htm

    Thanks! I will check them out.

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  • @asdf
    Isn't the upper Midwest a bit of a swing region. I think Sailers whole "keep republicans relevant another cycle or two" strategy involved going after white voters in those regions. They are still swing states.

    As per Audacious Epigone, by Whites only, western Yankeedom (the Upper Midwest) would be a swing region, since its White population did vote Republican in 2012 (but not in 2008). However, when you factor in the non-White population, those areas are solidly Democrat. Republicans don’t have a chance appealing to the Yankee areas.

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  • @Anonymous
    Ronald Reagan came from not far from the Midlands region of the Midwest, from Dixon, Illinois. He probably is the most prominent representative who exemplifies the temperament of the region. There were some utopian communities setup in that part of the country, such as the Amana one in Iowa, so those might have been liberal-minded, after a fashion. However, I would hazard a guess that the only real reason why some Democratic voters have remained in such parts--for now--would relate back to the fact that a tidal wave of sea change has been rearing up from the South, and will continue well North. Remember when the "Solid South" meant Democratic?

    That’s because the southern racists joined the GOP.

    That tidal wave is confine to the south because the whites up north come from a different culture. Have you noticed that the GOP has been losing (not gaining) seats in the north since a generation ago?

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  • Isn’t the upper Midwest a bit of a swing region. I think Sailers whole “keep republicans relevant another cycle or two” strategy involved going after white voters in those regions. They are still swing states.

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    @asdf:

    As per Audacious Epigone, by Whites only, western Yankeedom (the Upper Midwest) would be a swing region, since its White population did vote Republican in 2012 (but not in 2008). However, when you factor in the non-White population, those areas are solidly Democrat. Republicans don't have a chance appealing to the Yankee areas.

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  • @Benjamin David Steele
    About the Pensylvania Germans, it has been something I've been trying to figure out. In all of my readings, I've only come across two specifically stated regions they came from.

    First, the most well known region of origins is Alsace-Lorraine. That is how I became interested. I have ancestors from the region which I discovered through census records. One census stated France, another Germany and a third Alsace. Obviously, the people there didn't have any strong attachment to national identity or else a very nuanced/confused identity. Alsace-Lorraine is one of those typical mountainous borderlands that is difficult to conquer and control, but France and Germany sure did try (and the Roman Empire before them).

    Second, I recetly came across mention of borderland between France and Netherlands. This presently Belgium and Luxembourg, but used to be the Spanish Netherlands. Spain controlled from the 1500s until the Calvinist uprisings. The loss of this territory was the beginning of the end for the Spanish Empire. Their control, however, wasn't entirely lost for several decades after William Penn received his royal land grant. It was for a long time a contested and war-ravaged region, just like Alsace-Lorraine.

    Basically, the early Pennsylvania Germans came from all along the borderland that was North of France and occasionally controlled by France.

    The Pennsylvania “Dutch” came from the whole Rhineland: particularly Alsace, but also the Palatinate, and as far upstream as Switzerland. The first group of settlers came from Krefeld, on the lower Rhine, and founded Germantown.

    http://www.loc.gov/folklife/events/BotkinArchives/2011flyers/YoderFlyer.html

    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~original13/history.htm

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    Thanks! I will check them out.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ronald Reagan came from not far from the Midlands region of the Midwest, from Dixon, Illinois. He probably is the most prominent representative who exemplifies the temperament of the region. There were some utopian communities setup in that part of the country, such as the Amana one in Iowa, so those might have been liberal-minded, after a fashion. However, I would hazard a guess that the only real reason why some Democratic voters have remained in such parts–for now–would relate back to the fact that a tidal wave of sea change has been rearing up from the South, and will continue well North. Remember when the “Solid South” meant Democratic?

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    That's because the southern racists joined the GOP.

    That tidal wave is confine to the south because the whites up north come from a different culture. Have you noticed that the GOP has been losing (not gaining) seats in the north since a generation ago?

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  • @Anonymous
    You have to consider what words like "liberal" and "conservative" mean. You say you are liberal, but most liberals, I believe, would disagree. There are three main "political" issues that I look at when talking about the the left-right divide. There is the divide between "nationalists" and "internationalists." There is the divide between cultural liberals and cultural conservatives on attitudes toward sex and marriage. And then there is economics. Which one of those things is not like the other? A feminist who wants a society where women will be promiscuous wants that because THAT is her utopia. A conservative who believes in traditional marriage wants that because THAT is her utopia. The feminist and the traditional conservative want radically different ends. In contrast, most fiscal conservatives and fiscal socialists honestly believe that their system will help the poor better. They disagree on the means, but they agree on the ends. I could easily see middle Americans embracing a socialist system if they think it would help them. I don't think fiscal conservatism is programmed into them.

    “I could easily see middle Americans embracing a socialist system if they think it would help them.”

    I think you make an interesting point. Look at the Progressive era. Look at William Jennings Bryan, George Norris, and Henry A. Wallace. Look at the prairie populism during the depression that produced the only socialist banking system in the US (The Bank of North Dakota). I think ‘middle America’ will always be a bit socially conservative. Economic conservatism, on the other hand, does not have a lock on the region.

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    You have to consider what words like “liberal” and “conservative” mean. You say you are liberal, but most liberals, I believe, would disagree. There are three main “political” issues that I look at when talking about the the left-right divide. There is the divide between “nationalists” and “internationalists.” There is the divide between cultural liberals and cultural conservatives on attitudes toward sex and marriage. And then there is economics. Which one of those things is not like the other? A feminist who wants a society where women will be promiscuous wants that because THAT is her utopia. A conservative who believes in traditional marriage wants that because THAT is her utopia. The feminist and the traditional conservative want radically different ends. In contrast, most fiscal conservatives and fiscal socialists honestly believe that their system will help the poor better. They disagree on the means, but they agree on the ends. I could easily see middle Americans embracing a socialist system if they think it would help them. I don’t think fiscal conservatism is programmed into them.

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    "I could easily see middle Americans embracing a socialist system if they think it would help them."

    I think you make an interesting point. Look at the Progressive era. Look at William Jennings Bryan, George Norris, and Henry A. Wallace. Look at the prairie populism during the depression that produced the only socialist banking system in the US (The Bank of North Dakota). I think 'middle America' will always be a bit socially conservative. Economic conservatism, on the other hand, does not have a lock on the region.

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  • @The Man Who Was . . .
    I took a look at the counties in the Dakotas and Minnesota that went either Republican or Democratics in the last few presidential elections.

    Counties in the Dakotas that tended to go Democratic in a presidential election were either:
    1. Heavily Norwegian
    2. Had a large Amerindian population.

    Counties in the Dakotas that went Republican tended to have a large German population.

    Counties in Minnesota that tended to go Democratic in a presidential election were either:
    1. Heavily Norwegian
    2. Had a large Amerindian population.
    3. Had a very diverse population, particularly in the Twin Cities area, but also places like Deluth.

    Counties in Minnesota that went Republican tended to have a large German population.

    Surprisingly, in neither place did Swedes make much of a difference.

    Interesting, but remember we can’t take self-reported ancestry too seriously. It’s best thought of as a broad guide and that’s it.

    That said, one does have to wonder if Scandinavian genes are contributing to the liberalism of the area. It would seem to break down in western North Dakota (heavily self-reported Norwegian), but then we have the self-report problem again.

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  • @Staffan
    I'm guessing it might be like in Scandinavian countries where the overwhelming majority are liberal, so even when the most liberal leave for the city there is no dramatic change. We don't have any conservative rednecks.

    It might also be a matter of climate. I'm toying with the idea that sun people have evolved a pathogen avoidance along with the conservatism that is so clearly a part of it. Perhaps the climate contributes in a short-term as well in that it might trigger this avoidance. There is a rough correspondence between Big Five conscientiousness and heat index (heat and humidity) in America. I'd love to see some state-level stats on Haidt's Purity foundation since that would be a more direct measure than conscientiousness, but I haven't found anything so far.

    Good points.

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  • @Ivar
    I have family in both the really blue part of Iowa and the really red part of Nebraska, so this is a bit anecdotal. I'd probably second the notion that Scandinavian ancestry seems to be a factor in how 'community minded' someone is. (I've joked that you can guess someone's political party here in Omaha by whether a person's name ends in “-sen”, but that's probably not accurate.) It's hard to say what effect German ancestry might have. Honestly, I've never met anyone around here who's full-blooded German without a bit of Danish or Swede or Scots in them. Everyone's a mutt around here, many times over. So self-reported ancestry can be a bit tricky. Another complication is that most of the German culture of the Great Plains is Volga German, which is something totally different. The Worst Hard Time has a good bit on how they imported a frontier spirit forged on the Russian steppes onto the American prairie. You know that tumblin' tumbleweed? That's Russian thistle, brought by those crafty Germans from Russia. Their sociopolitical orientation was mostly your standard 'live and let live' variety, the opposite of the totalitarian mindset that too often finds its place in German intellectual circles. In fact, there's actually actually a strong pacifist tradition among them, since many Volga Germans were Mennonite conscientious objectors. They were closer to being Amish than being Commies or Nazis. (Though not for lack of Hitler and Stalin trying. But that's a tangent.)

    Anyway, back to the Scandinavian influence. I wonder if Woodard might be underestimating the role that the code of Jante might be playing in Midlands culture. (Its stress on egalitarianism, thoughtfulness, living quietly, helping your neighbor, etc.) for example. At least that's what I was always told as to why my family does things the way they do. But if that's true, it's a kind of mutated strain of Jante, different from the old country. There's an undeniable and rigid commitment to fairness and equality, but virtually no emphasis on conformity that Staffan referred to. There's the taboo against showing off, but no real respect for hierarchy, position, or authority.

    I dunno. Just my two cents. Ultimately, if you want to try and understand the Midlands, just look at Warren Buffet. There's probably no one alive who better encapsulates its values, and its bizarre myriad contradictions.

    It’s hard to say what effect German ancestry might have. Honestly, I’ve never met anyone around here who’s full-blooded German without a bit of Danish or Swede or Scots in them. Everyone’s a mutt around here, many times over. So self-reported ancestry can be a bit tricky.

    Yup…

    Another complication is that most of the German culture of the Great Plains is Volga German, which is something totally different. The Worst Hard Time has a good bit on how they imported a frontier spirit forged on the Russian steppes onto the American prairie. You know that tumblin’ tumbleweed? That’s Russian thistle, brought by those crafty Germans from Russia. Their sociopolitical orientation was mostly your standard ‘live and let live’ variety, the opposite of the totalitarian mindset that too often finds its place in German intellectual circles. In fact, there’s actually actually a strong pacifist tradition among them, since many Volga Germans were Mennonite conscientious objectors. They were closer to being Amish than being Commies or Nazis.

    Interesting. That is another factor that may explain the redness of the Great Plains. As I explored in my earlier post Germania’s Seed, when is a German not a German? Not all German Americans are created equal, and I think the specific regional origin of the German settlers may contribute to the modern liberal vs. conservative mindsets of today’s German Americans.

    Anyway, back to the Scandinavian influence. I wonder if Woodard might be underestimating the role that the code of Jante might be playing in Midlands culture. (Its stress on egalitarianism, thoughtfulness, living quietly, helping your neighbor, etc.) for example. At least that’s what I was always told as to why my family does things the way they do. But if that’s true, it’s a kind of mutated strain of Jante, different from the old country. There’s an undeniable and rigid commitment to fairness and equality, but virtually no emphasis on conformity that Staffan referred to. There’s the taboo against showing off, but no real respect for hierarchy, position, or authority.

    The Scandinavians seem more concentrated in western Yankeedom (the western upper Midwest) than the Midlands. Woodard did indeed note that the Scandinavians found themselves at home with the Yankees (and the communitarian Puritan culture). At least in the upper Midwest, the liberal areas corresponding to areas of reported Swedish settlement would seem to support this.

    Yes, there was an article mentioning Omaha (and by extension Warren Buffet) as being the capital of the Midlands, a title it does indeed seem to serve.

    Thanks for your input!

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  • @Whiskey
    Jayman --

    My sense is that these attitudes are likely to change, rapidly. After all, massive Mexican immigration is hitting even upper Yankeedom and New France, as well as lots of Africans and such. Dump a bunch of Somalis into Vermont, and even the most hard-core liberals don't like being the victim of vibrancy. Then there is the financial aspect. Not only does massive vibrancy bring person security issues to places that did not have them, and cause mental stress on avoiding crime-think as to the causes, it means radically decreased opportunity for one's kids as "Public Ivies" turn into say, UCI, when went from nearly all-White enrollment in the 1980's to about 17% today. And that's Irvine California.

    Now you have the Obama Administration full onto Agenda 21 including massive wealth transfers, and the new HUD policy aimed essentially at Section 8 housing everywhere but Malibu and the Upper East Side. If the economy were constantly rising and people could afford a new house every ten years, no problem. Uh oh.

    My view is we will shortly test Roissy's theory of Diversity + Proximity = War. And also see a rise in White unitary nationalism, i.e. New England Nation, Yankeedom, the Midlands, New Scandinavia etc. will all dissolve into White Nation as most of the White Middle Class is smacked with diversity, pays the price literally and figuratively for vibrancy, and sees the upward ladder not only kicked out but faces downward mobility. Which is the classic definition of pre-Revolutionary conditions.

    White rural liberals existed because they did not face defacto ethnic cleansing by non-Whites. That is no longer the case, and the ethnic cleansing comes not in the 1950's-60's era of rising income, but declining. Meaning loss of a home to anti-White crime (think 5,000 Somalis dumped in Burlington VT) can't be mitigated into a nicer house in the suburbs. It means a nasty apartment somewhere else for those cleansed who take a permanent loss. You know what Machiavelli advised regarding this. The traditional ethnic "nations" of America have never before faced such massive, and inescapable non-White stress.

    Look at the Upper Piedmont. The inescapable conclusion is that Whites in high-density areas vote "White" (aka non-Liberal) to prevent transfer of resources away from themselves to ... Blacks. And resources are not just monetary. Take the attitude towards guns. Non Liberal Whites view guns as a weapon of last resort against murder, torture, robbery, and rape, not necessarily in that order, by non-Whites. This represents real history of Indian, Mexican, and Black attacks, as well as Mixed-Race non-Whites (like say John Murel, the "Land Pirate" whose treasure formed the basis of Tom Sawyer's treasure, Twain in Life on the Mississippi quotes figures Murel may have murdered over 4,000 men as the leader of his group).

    So far, social peace has been purchased by social mobility, and the ability of Whites including Scandinavians and Yankees and such to avoid the impact of mass Non-White presence and defacto privilege. The "Knockout Game" aka Polar Bear Hunting, by Black "teens" and "youths" is now nationwide, fueled by Youtube and WorldStarHipHop dot com, making social attitudes under severe pressure.

    John Derbyshire worries about the elites "turning racist." Far more likely IMHO is a sudden "snap" in attitudes by Scandinavian, Yankee (who are Scandi lite essentially), Midlands, and other peoples. Those not elite and knowing they are not on the elite ladder (no opportunity loss).

    Hey WP-

    I’m probably the ‘whitest’ guy possible, genetically speaking. I ancestry.com’d my family last year back to 1200′s Sweden. (The nick I’m using is one of my ancestors.) I do get what you’re trying to say, though separating out the prescriptive from the descriptive is a bit difficult for me. And I do understand that there are some issues with too multiculturalism as an ideal. For one thing, there’s Gause’s Law of Exclusion where different species can not occupy the same space at the same time, and that this can apply to human races as well as species. Multicultural societies are ephemeral, fleeting things. The brief flame burns brightly.

    But I don’t think you can look to Scandinavian Midlanders or the Midlands in general to hop on board for any of this “White unitary nationalism” stuff. In fact, with respect, that kind of talk weirds me the hell out. Just speaking for myself, I feel more affinity for my neighbor, for my city, for my region and for my country than a set of 30-100 proposed genes that code for an oxidative tyrosine derivative expression that we collectively decide to call “race”. I think if you look at the history of the Midland…if some full-on “race war” erupts or whatever it is you’re warning about, we’ll most likely become a refugee belt, a new Trail of Tears where people without enough melanin in their skin make their way to the only place they can live in peace. Kind of the purpose we’ve always served. You realize that we have more in common with Ontario, Canada (both “mosaic societies” founded by the same exact settler cultures)? So maybe the Midlands will be re-united again, our brothers in the north joining us again, and we can be a safe haven for anyone who wants to work hard, pay their fair share, and try to lead a decent life, regardless of whatever the Bitter Ulcer of White Rage thinks about the matter.

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  • Jayman –

    My sense is that these attitudes are likely to change, rapidly. After all, massive Mexican immigration is hitting even upper Yankeedom and New France, as well as lots of Africans and such. Dump a bunch of Somalis into Vermont, and even the most hard-core liberals don’t like being the victim of vibrancy. Then there is the financial aspect. Not only does massive vibrancy bring person security issues to places that did not have them, and cause mental stress on avoiding crime-think as to the causes, it means radically decreased opportunity for one’s kids as “Public Ivies” turn into say, UCI, when went from nearly all-White enrollment in the 1980′s to about 17% today. And that’s Irvine California.

    Now you have the Obama Administration full onto Agenda 21 including massive wealth transfers, and the new HUD policy aimed essentially at Section 8 housing everywhere but Malibu and the Upper East Side. If the economy were constantly rising and people could afford a new house every ten years, no problem. Uh oh.

    My view is we will shortly test Roissy’s theory of Diversity + Proximity = War. And also see a rise in White unitary nationalism, i.e. New England Nation, Yankeedom, the Midlands, New Scandinavia etc. will all dissolve into White Nation as most of the White Middle Class is smacked with diversity, pays the price literally and figuratively for vibrancy, and sees the upward ladder not only kicked out but faces downward mobility. Which is the classic definition of pre-Revolutionary conditions.

    White rural liberals existed because they did not face defacto ethnic cleansing by non-Whites. That is no longer the case, and the ethnic cleansing comes not in the 1950′s-60′s era of rising income, but declining. Meaning loss of a home to anti-White crime (think 5,000 Somalis dumped in Burlington VT) can’t be mitigated into a nicer house in the suburbs. It means a nasty apartment somewhere else for those cleansed who take a permanent loss. You know what Machiavelli advised regarding this. The traditional ethnic “nations” of America have never before faced such massive, and inescapable non-White stress.

    Look at the Upper Piedmont. The inescapable conclusion is that Whites in high-density areas vote “White” (aka non-Liberal) to prevent transfer of resources away from themselves to … Blacks. And resources are not just monetary. Take the attitude towards guns. Non Liberal Whites view guns as a weapon of last resort against murder, torture, robbery, and rape, not necessarily in that order, by non-Whites. This represents real history of Indian, Mexican, and Black attacks, as well as Mixed-Race non-Whites (like say John Murel, the “Land Pirate” whose treasure formed the basis of Tom Sawyer’s treasure, Twain in Life on the Mississippi quotes figures Murel may have murdered over 4,000 men as the leader of his group).

    So far, social peace has been purchased by social mobility, and the ability of Whites including Scandinavians and Yankees and such to avoid the impact of mass Non-White presence and defacto privilege. The “Knockout Game” aka Polar Bear Hunting, by Black “teens” and “youths” is now nationwide, fueled by Youtube and WorldStarHipHop dot com, making social attitudes under severe pressure.

    John Derbyshire worries about the elites “turning racist.” Far more likely IMHO is a sudden “snap” in attitudes by Scandinavian, Yankee (who are Scandi lite essentially), Midlands, and other peoples. Those not elite and knowing they are not on the elite ladder (no opportunity loss).

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    Hey WP-

    I'm probably the 'whitest' guy possible, genetically speaking. I ancestry.com'd my family last year back to 1200's Sweden. (The nick I'm using is one of my ancestors.) I do get what you're trying to say, though separating out the prescriptive from the descriptive is a bit difficult for me. And I do understand that there are some issues with too multiculturalism as an ideal. For one thing, there's Gause's Law of Exclusion where different species can not occupy the same space at the same time, and that this can apply to human races as well as species. Multicultural societies are ephemeral, fleeting things. The brief flame burns brightly.

    But I don't think you can look to Scandinavian Midlanders or the Midlands in general to hop on board for any of this “White unitary nationalism” stuff. In fact, with respect, that kind of talk weirds me the hell out. Just speaking for myself, I feel more affinity for my neighbor, for my city, for my region and for my country than a set of 30-100 proposed genes that code for an oxidative tyrosine derivative expression that we collectively decide to call “race”. I think if you look at the history of the Midland...if some full-on “race war” erupts or whatever it is you're warning about, we'll most likely become a refugee belt, a new Trail of Tears where people without enough melanin in their skin make their way to the only place they can live in peace. Kind of the purpose we've always served. You realize that we have more in common with Ontario, Canada (both “mosaic societies” founded by the same exact settler cultures)? So maybe the Midlands will be re-united again, our brothers in the north joining us again, and we can be a safe haven for anyone who wants to work hard, pay their fair share, and try to lead a decent life, regardless of whatever the Bitter Ulcer of White Rage thinks about the matter.

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    Interesting stuff. For what it’s worth, I actually consider many of these issues — including a discussion of Woodard — in my forthcoming book (http://www.taylorandfrancis.com/books/details/9781138017740/). I should note that, while white Americans remain divided politically along ethnic lines, these divisions are shrinking — the political differences between WASPS and other whites are now much smaller than they were as recently as 1970. Whereas the gap between white Americans of British descent and Eastern and Southern European whites was once huge when it comes to party identification, it is smaller today.

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  • @Ivar
    I have family in both the really blue part of Iowa and the really red part of Nebraska, so this is a bit anecdotal. I'd probably second the notion that Scandinavian ancestry seems to be a factor in how 'community minded' someone is. (I've joked that you can guess someone's political party here in Omaha by whether a person's name ends in “-sen”, but that's probably not accurate.) It's hard to say what effect German ancestry might have. Honestly, I've never met anyone around here who's full-blooded German without a bit of Danish or Swede or Scots in them. Everyone's a mutt around here, many times over. So self-reported ancestry can be a bit tricky. Another complication is that most of the German culture of the Great Plains is Volga German, which is something totally different. The Worst Hard Time has a good bit on how they imported a frontier spirit forged on the Russian steppes onto the American prairie. You know that tumblin' tumbleweed? That's Russian thistle, brought by those crafty Germans from Russia. Their sociopolitical orientation was mostly your standard 'live and let live' variety, the opposite of the totalitarian mindset that too often finds its place in German intellectual circles. In fact, there's actually actually a strong pacifist tradition among them, since many Volga Germans were Mennonite conscientious objectors. They were closer to being Amish than being Commies or Nazis. (Though not for lack of Hitler and Stalin trying. But that's a tangent.)

    Anyway, back to the Scandinavian influence. I wonder if Woodard might be underestimating the role that the code of Jante might be playing in Midlands culture. (Its stress on egalitarianism, thoughtfulness, living quietly, helping your neighbor, etc.) for example. At least that's what I was always told as to why my family does things the way they do. But if that's true, it's a kind of mutated strain of Jante, different from the old country. There's an undeniable and rigid commitment to fairness and equality, but virtually no emphasis on conformity that Staffan referred to. There's the taboo against showing off, but no real respect for hierarchy, position, or authority.

    I dunno. Just my two cents. Ultimately, if you want to try and understand the Midlands, just look at Warren Buffet. There's probably no one alive who better encapsulates its values, and its bizarre myriad contradictions.

    Er, Warren Buffett that is…

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