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    From The Guardian: In case you are interested, I explained the mechanics of how growers' PR firms plant these kinds of perennial scare stories in the gullible press back in 2006 in VDARE.
  • @stillCARealist
    That was the WSJ. They really enjoyed publishing the Manhattan addresses of crop subsidies.

    https://citylimits.org/2011/12/05/earning-farm-subsidies-on-the-upper-east-side/

    This is from 2011. From the article:

    "One New York millionaire who receives subsidies is Mark Rockefeller, who received the eleventh-highest amount in the city in 2010. Rockefeller, the son of former governor Nelson Rockefeller and the chairman of the board of the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, received $13,384 in 2010 – and $329,250 since 2001 – in conservation payments for land he owns in Bonneville County, Idaho, near a hunting and fishing resort he also owns."

    Yeah, that looks like the article, though it lacks the striking visual map of the “farmers” of upper Manhattan’s co-ops, condos and skyscrapers reaping the cream of the federal farm subsidies.

    It was also a reminder of how gallingly fast a government program with seemingly benign, wholesome, middle-American objectives becomes captured by the plutocratic parasitocracy.

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  • @Jonathan Mason
    In the late 60s and early 70s I worked on farms in England every year in the summers picking hops (mainly), apples, and potatoes, There were no Polish laborers to do the job at that time, and students played a large role in certain crop economies. Students were free in the summers, and they needed money. Farmers needed workers who were young, fit, and health. A match made in heaven.

    George Orwell wrote about laborers traveling from the East End of London every year to pick hops in the 20s and 30s and we did pretty much the same thing four decades later. We slept in the same bare huts with concrete floors and fireplaces where we warmed ourselves a bit on cold evenings and made toast after collecting firewood and hop bines for fuel.

    No protective equipment in those days. After the first couple of days my hands would be blistered, red, swollen, and stiff from the hop juices, but this would gradually wear off and they would become hard. We had Saturday afternoons and Sundays off and would take the train into Canterbury and get a bath at the public baths and watch a movie. I remember seeing Serpico on a Sunday in one of those years. I was not much of a movie fan, but it passed a couple of hours.

    You have to wonder why students are not used more in the US for getting in the crops.

    Besides, it would sure benefit the students to get their heads out of their iPhones and earbuds for a few weeks.

    That said, I think the answer is that today’s students are predominantly female, heavily subsidized, aspiring Globalist Girls, who have no interest in manual labor and a very high expectation of getting what they want and avoiding what they don’t want.

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  • @Anonymous

    Look at it this way. In the UK and especially the U.S., farmers are engaging in strategic moves by letting food rot. If they pay a living wage to have it picked for even one season, that would reset the standard wage for the follow on seasons.

    Better to take a one year hit in losing a crop and point to the food rotting as a rationale for garbage-wage immigrant labor business as usual the next year. And the year after…and the year after…and the year after…
     
    To an extent all businesses do this. Mainstream manufacturers leave the highest end carriage trade goods to specialists (partly) because keeping the prima donnas necessary around the trade means not only do you pay the premium but pretty soon everyone else gets a whiff of those phat checks and wants a little slice. Or they outsource functions they'd actually rather have inhouse for the same reason. Or they "let" competitors poach their "top" people, killing two birds with one stone.

    I worked in an electronics plant where the house organ ( a company newspaper, in other words, and not a Wurlitzer on wheels) did a glowing story on Page 2 of a shipping supervisor. The guy was nice enough and physically impressive-6'5", benched a quarter ton, and to hear the surface mount rework line broads yak, a veritable elephant in the liederhosen-but not especially intelligent. They did this in the same month where in his review, he was given a raise of zero. The purpose was to get him, in a fit of pique, to apply at one of the other plants in town, which he did, and was hired. He was not an especially good supervisor and had impregnated at least two co-workers, but one didn't fire anyone from the ten or twelve families that ran that town without consequences (like not having stuff approved by the city or by an excessive tax assessment).

    That said, farmers are some of the least effective groups to do this sort of thing: they tend to buy retail and sell wholesale anyway, and most don't have enough in the bank to sustain such a campaign.

    One admires the Machiavellian practicality of that electronics plant. I, personally, might get hung up on the unjustness of bowing to the local oligarchs, but those manufacturing guys just played them methodically and with finesse: like a violin.

    As I said, one admires it.

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  • In the late 60s and early 70s I worked on farms in England every year in the summers picking hops (mainly), apples, and potatoes, There were no Polish laborers to do the job at that time, and students played a large role in certain crop economies. Students were free in the summers, and they needed money. Farmers needed workers who were young, fit, and health. A match made in heaven.

    George Orwell wrote about laborers traveling from the East End of London every year to pick hops in the 20s and 30s and we did pretty much the same thing four decades later. We slept in the same bare huts with concrete floors and fireplaces where we warmed ourselves a bit on cold evenings and made toast after collecting firewood and hop bines for fuel.

    No protective equipment in those days. After the first couple of days my hands would be blistered, red, swollen, and stiff from the hop juices, but this would gradually wear off and they would become hard. We had Saturday afternoons and Sundays off and would take the train into Canterbury and get a bath at the public baths and watch a movie. I remember seeing Serpico on a Sunday in one of those years. I was not much of a movie fan, but it passed a couple of hours.

    You have to wonder why students are not used more in the US for getting in the crops.

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    Besides, it would sure benefit the students to get their heads out of their iPhones and earbuds for a few weeks.

    That said, I think the answer is that today's students are predominantly female, heavily subsidized, aspiring Globalist Girls, who have no interest in manual labor and a very high expectation of getting what they want and avoiding what they don't want.
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  • @Paleo Liberal
    Abrupt changes in a labor supply CAN be rather disruptive.

    After decades of relying on cheap labor, it can be difficult to adjust to the cheap labor supply drying up.

    Part of the point of the 1986 Amnesty was so that the workers already in the US could stay, while workplace enforcement kept new illegal workers from getting hired. Of course, the carrot and stick approach only works if there are actual sticks. and if the carrots are limited to those for whom the carrots were originally intended.

    “After decades of relying on cheap labor, it can be difficult to adjust to the cheap labor supply drying up.”

    The cheap labour only arrived in 2006/7, after Blair opened the borders to Polish immigration. Newly-elected Chancellor Merkel kept the borders closed – then.

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  • I’d be glad to pay $3 for a head of lettuce if 40 million illegals would GTFO of my country. We’d save billions in welfare, hospital costs, jails, and schools.

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  • What these stories always refer to as farms and farmers are in fact plantations and plantation owners. Farmers live on farms and do the farmwork themselves. Plantation owners however may or may not live on the plantation and have people to do the work for them including managers and actual workers who harvest the crops and/or tend the animals. The plantation system cannot work without massive subsidies both obvious (e.g. crop subsidies) and hidden (e.g. welfare for underpaid ag workers). These subsidies also make actual farming very difficult in that when your competitors are being subsidized and driving up the costs it makes your own farming livelyhood less profitable and more precarious.

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  • @Almost Missouri
    I seem to recall a very striking visual a decade or so ago. It was a map showing the destinations of top 100 largest subsidy payments made by the Feds to farm owners. Basically, they were all in Manhattan.

    That was the WSJ. They really enjoyed publishing the Manhattan addresses of crop subsidies.

    https://citylimits.org/2011/12/05/earning-farm-subsidies-on-the-upper-east-side/

    This is from 2011. From the article:

    “One New York millionaire who receives subsidies is Mark Rockefeller, who received the eleventh-highest amount in the city in 2010. Rockefeller, the son of former governor Nelson Rockefeller and the chairman of the board of the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, received $13,384 in 2010 – and $329,250 since 2001 – in conservation payments for land he owns in Bonneville County, Idaho, near a hunting and fishing resort he also owns.”

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    Yeah, that looks like the article, though it lacks the striking visual map of the "farmers" of upper Manhattan's co-ops, condos and skyscrapers reaping the cream of the federal farm subsidies.

    It was also a reminder of how gallingly fast a government program with seemingly benign, wholesome, middle-American objectives becomes captured by the plutocratic parasitocracy.
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  • But you need a ‘shortage’ of agricultural workers to grow lots of food!

    I mean, in places like the American Midwest, even without minimum wage laws, if you advertise for workers at $1/hour you won’t get any takers (well, at least not until recently). And yet agricultural production was sky-high and there was plenty of food for all. But in places like Pakistan and Bangladesh etc. there is a virtually limitless supply of agricultural workers who will toil for 50 cents an hour if that, yet hunger and malnutrition is rampant.

    It’s very simple. When there is more land than workers, wages are high, farmers are forced to invest in mechanization, and food production per capita is high. But profits are limited, and farmers with limited managerial skill who want to live like medieval gentry on the backs of a mass of cheap labor will lose out. The horror!

    http://globuspallidusxi.blogspot.com/2014/09/to-stop-hunger-you-need-shortage-of.html

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  • @El Dato
    Is there even enough arable land left in the UK to leave anything to rot?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply

    Origins of food consumed in the UK 2016:

    UK 49%
    EU 30%
    Africa 5%
    North America 4%
    South America 4%
    Asia 4%
    Rest of Europe 2%
    Australasia 1% (Kangaroo meat maybe?)

    “Origins of food consumed in the UK 2016:
    Australasia 1% (Kangaroo meat maybe?)”

    Wheat, possibly, although France is a big producer. Meat, probably – Australian beef is hormone-free and comparatively low in pesticides. The main problem is distance, of course.

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  • If strawberry pickers cannot be paid a living wage then strawberries are a good that is uneconomic to produce.

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  • @El Dato
    Is there even enough arable land left in the UK to leave anything to rot?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply

    Origins of food consumed in the UK 2016:

    UK 49%
    EU 30%
    Africa 5%
    North America 4%
    South America 4%
    Asia 4%
    Rest of Europe 2%
    Australasia 1% (Kangaroo meat maybe?)

    Well, a simple internet search reveals that (according to Wikipedia) 69% of the UK is arable land. Under 17% of the USA is arable land. Agriculture in Britain is relatively efficient and manages to provide nearly 60% of the food we eat, despite the high population density. I live 30 miles from London. The fields around my house have been cultivated for six thousand years.

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  • Pew Hispanic Center has said only 3% of illegals work in agriculture…. meaning you could deport 96% of them and it wouldn’t have much effect on crops….

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Anyhow, since the inception of the Tony Blair (Economist) New Labour regime back in ’97, something like 6 to 7 million immigrants have entered the UK for permanent settlement. This amounts to over 10% of the pre 1997 population, and the scale of influx is utterly unprecedented in UK history, or indeed the recorded history of modern nation states.

    Six to seven millions constitute many, many times over the entire UK agricultural workforce. So basically, the only logical, sensible way that this ridiculous, hysterical piece of propaganda can be read is that the millions of recent immigrants to the UK are so bloody useless that out of their enormous numbers nary a fruit-picker can be found.

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  • @unpc downunder
    I find it very hard to believe this could be happening on a large scale. In pretty much every horticultural region in Europe, American and Australia, there is a decent sized source of labour. For example, in Australia and New Zealand there is a steady stream of European and Latin American backpackers travelling through the countryside, if word gets around that growers in a certain region are keen for workers and willing to pay a few extra dollars, then they will soon swoop on the area. If word gets around its a poor season, and wages are low, they will give it a pass. Sure, the odd grower might miscalculate, advertise for labour too late, and lose some of the crop, but this is hardly likely to be a widespread problem. And I've never heard of a grower going out of business because of a lack of labour. It's almost always due to falling prices for what they are selling.

    As Steve points out, the media is becoming less critical and impartial, and is simply regurgitating PR material on immigration-related stories. In the old days employers of foreign labour didn't it have it so easy.

    English university students – now, thanks to Tony Blair that they have to pay huge tuition fees – would, in theory, at least, be a good target labor pool for the summer harvest.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The moment I read this headline I thought of Steve.

    Anyway, this bull will not wash in the UK.
    Prior to year 2005 or thereabouts before Blair opened the floodgates, there were very few migrant East European agricultural workers in the UK. Fortunately, most UK adults are old enough to have a good memory of the years prior to 2005.
    All of them – apart from those old enough to remember World War 2, – can distinctly recall that, absolutely, there was NO fruit and vegetable shortage in the UK in the decades prior to 2005.

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    @SteveM
    Food probably did rot. Not because of lack of labor, but because the farmers did not want to pay a sufficient wage to have the food picked.

    Look at it this way. In the UK and especially the U.S., farmers are engaging in strategic moves by letting food rot. If they pay a living wage to have it picked for even one season, that would reset the standard wage for the follow on seasons.

    Better to take a one year hit in losing a crop and point to the food rotting as a rationale for garbage-wage immigrant labor business as usual the next year. And the year after...and the year after...and the year after...

    Look at it this way. In the UK and especially the U.S., farmers are engaging in strategic moves by letting food rot. If they pay a living wage to have it picked for even one season, that would reset the standard wage for the follow on seasons.

    Better to take a one year hit in losing a crop and point to the food rotting as a rationale for garbage-wage immigrant labor business as usual the next year. And the year after…and the year after…and the year after…

    To an extent all businesses do this. Mainstream manufacturers leave the highest end carriage trade goods to specialists (partly) because keeping the prima donnas necessary around the trade means not only do you pay the premium but pretty soon everyone else gets a whiff of those phat checks and wants a little slice. Or they outsource functions they’d actually rather have inhouse for the same reason. Or they “let” competitors poach their “top” people, killing two birds with one stone.

    I worked in an electronics plant where the house organ ( a company newspaper, in other words, and not a Wurlitzer on wheels) did a glowing story on Page 2 of a shipping supervisor. The guy was nice enough and physically impressive-6’5″, benched a quarter ton, and to hear the surface mount rework line broads yak, a veritable elephant in the liederhosen-but not especially intelligent. They did this in the same month where in his review, he was given a raise of zero. The purpose was to get him, in a fit of pique, to apply at one of the other plants in town, which he did, and was hired. He was not an especially good supervisor and had impregnated at least two co-workers, but one didn’t fire anyone from the ten or twelve families that ran that town without consequences (like not having stuff approved by the city or by an excessive tax assessment).

    That said, farmers are some of the least effective groups to do this sort of thing: they tend to buy retail and sell wholesale anyway, and most don’t have enough in the bank to sustain such a campaign.

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    One admires the Machiavellian practicality of that electronics plant. I, personally, might get hung up on the unjustness of bowing to the local oligarchs, but those manufacturing guys just played them methodically and with finesse: like a violin.

    As I said, one admires it.
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  • Got that crop rot fever. I got it from the kid next door.

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  • @anonymous
    Food left in the field, cheese dip left in the bowl, crisps allowed to stale, yet still the populace is fatter than ever.

    Ever since the California Air Resources Board forced an end to double-dipping, that’s been a fact of life throughout the nation. The Chinese one-child policy didn’t help either.

    I can explain everything. Feel free to ask.

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  • @Anonymous
    A lot of farming these days is a scam. It depends on government subsidies of money, tax breaks, and cheap labor. Without these subsidies, crops do indeed rot in the fields because it no longer becomes profitable to harvest them. Without the subsidies, the farm land would have to be sold off to someone who can use it for some other profitable business, or to small plot farmers who are going to work the land for themselves for subsistence and some small scale selling.

    I seem to recall a very striking visual a decade or so ago. It was a map showing the destinations of top 100 largest subsidy payments made by the Feds to farm owners. Basically, they were all in Manhattan.

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    That was the WSJ. They really enjoyed publishing the Manhattan addresses of crop subsidies.

    https://citylimits.org/2011/12/05/earning-farm-subsidies-on-the-upper-east-side/

    This is from 2011. From the article:

    "One New York millionaire who receives subsidies is Mark Rockefeller, who received the eleventh-highest amount in the city in 2010. Rockefeller, the son of former governor Nelson Rockefeller and the chairman of the board of the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation, received $13,384 in 2010 – and $329,250 since 2001 – in conservation payments for land he owns in Bonneville County, Idaho, near a hunting and fishing resort he also owns."
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  • I find it very hard to believe this could be happening on a large scale. In pretty much every horticultural region in Europe, American and Australia, there is a decent sized source of labour. For example, in Australia and New Zealand there is a steady stream of European and Latin American backpackers travelling through the countryside, if word gets around that growers in a certain region are keen for workers and willing to pay a few extra dollars, then they will soon swoop on the area. If word gets around its a poor season, and wages are low, they will give it a pass. Sure, the odd grower might miscalculate, advertise for labour too late, and lose some of the crop, but this is hardly likely to be a widespread problem. And I’ve never heard of a grower going out of business because of a lack of labour. It’s almost always due to falling prices for what they are selling.

    As Steve points out, the media is becoming less critical and impartial, and is simply regurgitating PR material on immigration-related stories. In the old days employers of foreign labour didn’t it have it so easy.

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    English university students - now, thanks to Tony Blair that they have to pay huge tuition fees - would, in theory, at least, be a good target labor pool for the summer harvest.
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  • @Hippopotamusdrome


    Damian Carrington Environment editor

     

    Environment editor. Advocating for more overpopulation via immigration.

    Some other articles by the same author:

    Hedgehog numbers plummet ... Ozone layer not recovering ... London air pollution ... ‘Silver bullet’ to suck CO2 from air and halt climate change ... plastic on coral reefs ... Air pollution will damage UK health ... South-east England at risk of water shortages

    All this helped by bringing in more people, no doubt.

    The new Carrington Event? News of those crops up from time to time.

    https://datacenterpro.wordpress.com/tag/carrington-event/

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  • I used to walk (maybe 10 years ago) to work starting at around 0550 and as I passed by an area inhabited by Eastern European people there were queues at certain points for harvesters to assemble. No longer am I walking at that time, but I’ve seen buses disgorge workers at the end of the day.

    Since both my dad’s parents were itinerant harvesters (tattie howkers) from Ireland I don’t have a problem with hardworking people from a dirt poor background.

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  • @El Dato
    Is there even enough arable land left in the UK to leave anything to rot?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply

    Origins of food consumed in the UK 2016:

    UK 49%
    EU 30%
    Africa 5%
    North America 4%
    South America 4%
    Asia 4%
    Rest of Europe 2%
    Australasia 1% (Kangaroo meat maybe?)

    For Australasia, read New Zealand.
    The UK was a huge market for Australian primary industry from 1940 to 1966, and by 1973 it was all over.
    Australia eventually did find other markets in Asia, but nothing like it’s former glory.
    When Britain joined the Common Market in 1966, orchardists all over Victoria and Tasmania bulldozed their fruit trees, and switched to cattle.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    Henley Regatta Endangered Due to Rising Prices for Strawberries and Cream.

    And the Wimbledon!!! Won’t anybody puhleeeeeze think about the Wimbledon?

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  • @J.Ross
    Really good short treatment of this fake news, I have forwarded it to friends. Interesting that fake news goes back to Bernays and artificial fads like bananas and diamond engagement rings.

    OT This is the rest of our lives: literally everything is racist, including gravity, metal, and momentum

    U.S. skater Shani Davis did* not march with Team U.S.A. during the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics at PyeongChang, South Korea, after raising a stink because he wasn’t chosen to be the U.S. flag bearer.

    According to USA Today, Davis had quietly let it be known that he would skip the ceremony.

    “Multiple people told USA TODAY Sports that as of Friday morning, Davis did not intend to participate in the ceremony in accordance with his original plans,” the paper reported Friday. “Had he been named flag bearer, the people confirmed, he would have accepted the honor and taken part.”

    Davis, a medal-winning African American speed skater, was angry about the results of a coin toss that was used to decide whether he or a white female athlete, would represent the U.S. in the opening ceremonies of the Winter Olympics this week.

    The angry skater slammed the choice of U.S. Luger Erin Hamlin to carry Old Glory in a Thursday tweet, where he insisted that the coin toss method was “dishonorable:”

    I am an American and when I won the 1000m in 2010 I became the first American to 2-peat in that event. @TeamUSA dishonorably tossed a coin to decide its 2018 flag bearer. No problem. I can wait until 2022. #BlackHistoryMonth2018 #PyeongChang2018 pic.twitter.com/dsmTtNkhJs

    — Shani Davis (@ShaniDavis) February 8, 2018

    Davis also injected race into the coin toss discussion, by including #BlackHistoryMonth2018 in his tweet.
     
    http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2018/02/09/u-s-skater-shani-davis-skips-opening-ceremony-pout-fest-flag-bearer-coin-toss-continues/

    *Did not? Is this Breitbart quality control or are the Olympics already happening? I don't care about the Olympics but will sit through a good opening ceremony, like China's or Russia's.

    Classy, chivalrous guy here, just like Kanye West. White American women are going to get the invasion they demand, good and hard, when all the dust settles.

    Meanwhile those of us with white wives from South America and Eastern Europe are getting the best cooking and the most affection and respect of our lives.

    Deal.

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  • Okay, so there was absolutely no unemployment or hunger in Brittannia in 2017? Because that is the only way the hampered invasion – rather than artificially and stubbornly, avariciously suppressed wages, or inflated prices, or both, – has fuck-all to do with inefficient (over)production of crops and their going unharvested.

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  • Daily reminder that until 2004 there was no right to work for Polish and Baltic workers who became the mainstay in these sectors. And the Romanians and Bulgarians who are currently on top didn’t have this right until 2014!

    We all remember how the British agricultural sector was on the verge of total collapse in 2003…

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  • In the early 1970s I used to pick strawberries and gooseberries around Kings Lynn and Wisbech. In those days it was a sideline job for local people. You just turned up in a field and started filling a basket. When you filled a basket it was weighed and you would be given cash. Nobody ever told the taxman. But then Eastern Europeans and Indians were brought in to pick the fruit. They worked harder for less money. I suppose the farmers are making more money out of it, but the big money is being made by the foreign gangmasters. Many of the fruit pickers are little more than slaves.

    This link explains what is going on :

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/701860/Back-breaking-hell-paid-peanuts-why-Brits-won-t-slave-on-farms-swamped-by-EU-migrants

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  • Food probably did rot. Not because of lack of labor, but because the farmers did not want to pay a sufficient wage to have the food picked.

    Look at it this way. In the UK and especially the U.S., farmers are engaging in strategic moves by letting food rot. If they pay a living wage to have it picked for even one season, that would reset the standard wage for the follow on seasons.

    Better to take a one year hit in losing a crop and point to the food rotting as a rationale for garbage-wage immigrant labor business as usual the next year. And the year after…and the year after…and the year after…

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    Look at it this way. In the UK and especially the U.S., farmers are engaging in strategic moves by letting food rot. If they pay a living wage to have it picked for even one season, that would reset the standard wage for the follow on seasons.

    Better to take a one year hit in losing a crop and point to the food rotting as a rationale for garbage-wage immigrant labor business as usual the next year. And the year after…and the year after…and the year after…
     
    To an extent all businesses do this. Mainstream manufacturers leave the highest end carriage trade goods to specialists (partly) because keeping the prima donnas necessary around the trade means not only do you pay the premium but pretty soon everyone else gets a whiff of those phat checks and wants a little slice. Or they outsource functions they'd actually rather have inhouse for the same reason. Or they "let" competitors poach their "top" people, killing two birds with one stone.

    I worked in an electronics plant where the house organ ( a company newspaper, in other words, and not a Wurlitzer on wheels) did a glowing story on Page 2 of a shipping supervisor. The guy was nice enough and physically impressive-6'5", benched a quarter ton, and to hear the surface mount rework line broads yak, a veritable elephant in the liederhosen-but not especially intelligent. They did this in the same month where in his review, he was given a raise of zero. The purpose was to get him, in a fit of pique, to apply at one of the other plants in town, which he did, and was hired. He was not an especially good supervisor and had impregnated at least two co-workers, but one didn't fire anyone from the ten or twelve families that ran that town without consequences (like not having stuff approved by the city or by an excessive tax assessment).

    That said, farmers are some of the least effective groups to do this sort of thing: they tend to buy retail and sell wholesale anyway, and most don't have enough in the bank to sustain such a campaign.
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  • “Growers are wondering how they are going to get through the [2018] season,” said Alison Capper, the chair of the NFU’s horticulture board. “There is an element of desperation.” She said numerous farms had been forced to leave produce to rot due to lack of labour, but that they did not publicise this because of fears of undermining the confidence of their supermarket customers.

    I glanced through this article and noticed one major item was missing. What happened to the prices of fruits and vegetables in the UK during this period of ‘crops rotting in the field’?

    If crops really were rotting in the field, AND if it had impacted the market, then food prices should have shot up accordingly. Increasing food prices would then enable farmers to offer higher wages to harvest the now more pricey crop.

    But, if retail prices for the consumer did not increase materially, it probably means the UK market is being supplied from foreign sources, or that there is already enough domestic production to satisfy local demand.

    Is there anyone from the UK who can inform us as to whether or not you had any serious food price inflation related to this issue?

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  • Food left in the field, cheese dip left in the bowl, crisps allowed to stale, yet still the populace is fatter than ever.

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    Ever since the California Air Resources Board forced an end to double-dipping, that's been a fact of life throughout the nation. The Chinese one-child policy didn't help either.

    I can explain everything. Feel free to ask.
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  • @El Dato
    Is there even enough arable land left in the UK to leave anything to rot?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply

    Origins of food consumed in the UK 2016:

    UK 49%
    EU 30%
    Africa 5%
    North America 4%
    South America 4%
    Asia 4%
    Rest of Europe 2%
    Australasia 1% (Kangaroo meat maybe?)

    Australasia 1% (Kangaroo meat maybe?)

    Before the European Common Agricultural Policy kicked in and distorted things, Britain was a big market for New Zealand lamb and butter.

    Something anyone who travels across Britain by train will have noticed is the increased number of fields given over to solar energy harvesting. Generous feed-in tariffs introduced a few years go, primarily intended to benefit private residents, have been exploited by farmers well used to playing the subsidy system.

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  • Damn.
    They ran out of Bulgarians.
    Who knew this could be problem?

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  • @Anonymous
    A lot of farming these days is a scam. It depends on government subsidies of money, tax breaks, and cheap labor. Without these subsidies, crops do indeed rot in the fields because it no longer becomes profitable to harvest them. Without the subsidies, the farm land would have to be sold off to someone who can use it for some other profitable business, or to small plot farmers who are going to work the land for themselves for subsistence and some small scale selling.

    During one of the very few cases where the BBC acknowledged the existence of diversity of opinion, they asked some business leaders why they supported Brexit (I believe they actually asked them “won’t you be sorry, and have no one to blame but yourselves?” but baby steps) and the businessmen described horror stories about being forced to participate in continental graft that will be familiar to anyone who has researched the developing world. A Spanish associate says he needs a new tractor, somehow you have to pay for this tractor, you visit his farm later on and he’s driving a new Benz but the tractor is the same one from your last visit.

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  • Really good short treatment of this fake news, I have forwarded it to friends. Interesting that fake news goes back to Bernays and artificial fads like bananas and diamond engagement rings.

    OT This is the rest of our lives: literally everything is racist, including gravity, metal, and momentum

    U.S. skater Shani Davis did* not march with Team U.S.A. during the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics at PyeongChang, South Korea, after raising a stink because he wasn’t chosen to be the U.S. flag bearer.

    According to USA Today, Davis had quietly let it be known that he would skip the ceremony.

    “Multiple people told USA TODAY Sports that as of Friday morning, Davis did not intend to participate in the ceremony in accordance with his original plans,” the paper reported Friday. “Had he been named flag bearer, the people confirmed, he would have accepted the honor and taken part.”

    Davis, a medal-winning African American speed skater, was angry about the results of a coin toss that was used to decide whether he or a white female athlete, would represent the U.S. in the opening ceremonies of the Winter Olympics this week.

    The angry skater slammed the choice of U.S. Luger Erin Hamlin to carry Old Glory in a Thursday tweet, where he insisted that the coin toss method was “dishonorable:”

    I am an American and when I won the 1000m in 2010 I became the first American to 2-peat in that event. @TeamUSA dishonorably tossed a coin to decide its 2018 flag bearer. No problem. I can wait until 2022. #BlackHistoryMonth2018 #PyeongChang2018 pic.twitter.com/dsmTtNkhJs

    — Shani Davis (@ShaniDavis) February 8, 2018

    Davis also injected race into the coin toss discussion, by including #BlackHistoryMonth2018 in his tweet.

    http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2018/02/09/u-s-skater-shani-davis-skips-opening-ceremony-pout-fest-flag-bearer-coin-toss-continues/

    *Did not? Is this Breitbart quality control or are the Olympics already happening? I don’t care about the Olympics but will sit through a good opening ceremony, like China’s or Russia’s.

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    Classy, chivalrous guy here, just like Kanye West. White American women are going to get the invasion they demand, good and hard, when all the dust settles.

    Meanwhile those of us with white wives from South America and Eastern Europe are getting the best cooking and the most affection and respect of our lives.

    Deal.

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  • Is there even enough arable land left in the UK to leave anything to rot?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/food-statistics-pocketbook-2017/food-statistics-in-your-pocket-2017-global-and-uk-supply

    Origins of food consumed in the UK 2016:

    UK 49%
    EU 30%
    Africa 5%
    North America 4%
    South America 4%
    Asia 4%
    Rest of Europe 2%
    Australasia 1% (Kangaroo meat maybe?)

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    Australasia 1% (Kangaroo meat maybe?)
     
    Before the European Common Agricultural Policy kicked in and distorted things, Britain was a big market for New Zealand lamb and butter.

    Something anyone who travels across Britain by train will have noticed is the increased number of fields given over to solar energy harvesting. Generous feed-in tariffs introduced a few years go, primarily intended to benefit private residents, have been exploited by farmers well used to playing the subsidy system.
    , @anon
    For Australasia, read New Zealand.
    The UK was a huge market for Australian primary industry from 1940 to 1966, and by 1973 it was all over.
    Australia eventually did find other markets in Asia, but nothing like it's former glory.
    When Britain joined the Common Market in 1966, orchardists all over Victoria and Tasmania bulldozed their fruit trees, and switched to cattle.
    , @Graham
    Well, a simple internet search reveals that (according to Wikipedia) 69% of the UK is arable land. Under 17% of the USA is arable land. Agriculture in Britain is relatively efficient and manages to provide nearly 60% of the food we eat, despite the high population density. I live 30 miles from London. The fields around my house have been cultivated for six thousand years.
    , @Dave from Oz
    "Origins of food consumed in the UK 2016:
    Australasia 1% (Kangaroo meat maybe?)"

    Wheat, possibly, although France is a big producer. Meat, probably - Australian beef is hormone-free and comparatively low in pesticides. The main problem is distance, of course.
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  • @Steve Sailer
    Henley Regatta Endangered Due to Rising Prices for Strawberries and Cream.

    I am sure Trudeau will make sure the Canadian Henley never suffers due to lack of immigrants.

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  • @eah
    OT

    Oh come on, this is getting out of hand now. #CheddarMan

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVn8QAWU8AAwcZ8.jpg

    cheddar man don’t age well…….I’m with the beaker folk myself.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A lot of farming these days is a scam. It depends on government subsidies of money, tax breaks, and cheap labor. Without these subsidies, crops do indeed rot in the fields because it no longer becomes profitable to harvest them. Without the subsidies, the farm land would have to be sold off to someone who can use it for some other profitable business, or to small plot farmers who are going to work the land for themselves for subsistence and some small scale selling.

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    • Replies: @J.Ross
    During one of the very few cases where the BBC acknowledged the existence of diversity of opinion, they asked some business leaders why they supported Brexit (I believe they actually asked them "won't you be sorry, and have no one to blame but yourselves?" but baby steps) and the businessmen described horror stories about being forced to participate in continental graft that will be familiar to anyone who has researched the developing world. A Spanish associate says he needs a new tractor, somehow you have to pay for this tractor, you visit his farm later on and he's driving a new Benz but the tractor is the same one from your last visit.
    , @Almost Missouri
    I seem to recall a very striking visual a decade or so ago. It was a map showing the destinations of top 100 largest subsidy payments made by the Feds to farm owners. Basically, they were all in Manhattan.
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  • Any Limees here? There’s any easy way to falsify this story: monitor strawberry prices and see if they go up. If they don’t, you know for sure this story was another media hoax.

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  • @songbird
    Scaremongering?! Why, Steve will have to change his tune once all the deaths from the Great British Strawberry Famine start piling up.

    Henley Regatta Endangered Due to Rising Prices for Strawberries and Cream.

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    I am sure Trudeau will make sure the Canadian Henley never suffers due to lack of immigrants.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist
    And the Wimbledon!!! Won't anybody puhleeeeeze think about the Wimbledon?
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  • Unlikely to be seen in the Guardian: Exclusive: Universal primary education, and health and safety legislation leave Britain short of more than 4,000 child chimney sweeps

    Besides, rotting fruit & veg makes for excellent compost.

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  • Scaremongering?! Why, Steve will have to change his tune once all the deaths from the Great British Strawberry Famine start piling up.

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    Henley Regatta Endangered Due to Rising Prices for Strawberries and Cream.
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  • You know this is what I have to say, NY State gifted Elon Musk $750 million and build him a solar panel plant in Buffalo at River Bend and paid for the production equipment too. All in return for a promised 500 jobs at the facility. No one really knows what is going on in the plant, or if production is “ramping up” as they claim. The same $750 million gifted to Cornell U and America would be exporting strawberry and other crop harvesting machinery. Millions of dollars worth of grapes and apples are already harvested mechanically in NY, where Cornell developed the high yield dwarf apple trees. Oh, and farmers always test the market before they clear harvest a crop, too much to market and low prices, and you know farmers hate low prices……Question: What is the difference between a farmer and a jet engine? A jet engine stops whining after it gets to Hawaii.

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  • Abrupt changes in a labor supply CAN be rather disruptive.

    After decades of relying on cheap labor, it can be difficult to adjust to the cheap labor supply drying up.

    Part of the point of the 1986 Amnesty was so that the workers already in the US could stay, while workplace enforcement kept new illegal workers from getting hired. Of course, the carrot and stick approach only works if there are actual sticks. and if the carrots are limited to those for whom the carrots were originally intended.

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    "After decades of relying on cheap labor, it can be difficult to adjust to the cheap labor supply drying up."

    The cheap labour only arrived in 2006/7, after Blair opened the borders to Polish immigration. Newly-elected Chancellor Merkel kept the borders closed - then.
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  • Damian Carrington Environment editor

    Environment editor. Advocating for more overpopulation via immigration.

    Some other articles by the same author:

    Hedgehog numbers plummet … Ozone layer not recovering … London air pollution … ‘Silver bullet’ to suck CO2 from air and halt climate change … plastic on coral reefs … Air pollution will damage UK health … South-east England at risk of water shortages

    All this helped by bringing in more people, no doubt.

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    • Replies: @Ivy
    The new Carrington Event? News of those crops up from time to time.

    https://datacenterpro.wordpress.com/tag/carrington-event/
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    • Replies: @tyrone
    cheddar man don't age well…….I'm with the beaker folk myself.
    , @eah
    Cheddar men making their way to Europe home.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVoe_SdVQAAZDpi.jpg
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  • From the Los Angeles Times: Amazing. In all my years of reading about the latest crops-rotting-in-the-fields crisis, I'd always been under the impression that the Law of Supply and Demand had been repealed for California growers. And now this hereditary landowner has had a breakthrough insight denied virtu
  • @anonymous
    "I really have no idea why anyone would want to live out there and commute in to the Valley. It’s a horrific commute of about 35 traffic-choked miles up the 101. But people do it…."

    There are starting to be more and more stories like this:

    "In Search of Cheaper Housing, Silicon Valley Workers Face Long Commutes", Jeff Barrera, Peninsula Press April 7, 2016:


    "...Sean MacDonald’s shift as a Palo Alto fire captain starts at 8 a.m. By 4 a.m. he’s out the door and on the road. It’s 147 miles from his home in Roseville — northeast of Sacramento — to the fire station.

    “The drive stinks, no easy way about it,” he said, but “that’s the price you pay to have a job in the Bay Area and raise a family.”

    ...long commutes have become the norm among MacDonald’s fellow firefighters. “We’ve got guys living in Shingle Springs, Rocklin, Citrus Heights, Grass Valley,” he said, ticking off a dozen places over 100 miles from Palo Alto.

    Some of the younger firefighters live closer to Palo Alto, but they share apartments to save on rent. And even then, MacDonald said, “what they’re paying in rent is more than what I’m paying on a mortgage.”

    ...It’s not just firefighters who are being priced out by Silicon Valley’s cost of living.

    ...It’s middle- and lower-income workers — teachers and firefighters, security guards at tech campuses, waiters at restaurants — who have been priced out of the Peninsula and are spending much more time in traffic..."

     

    This little article has lots of iSteve-type data and graphs. This comes from "Data on household incomes, population growth, housing units and commute times come from the U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey."

    The stories are not really new. 20 years ago, a number of people who worked with me at my Santa Clara-based company lived in Pleasanton and Walnut Creek, which at the time were considered the more “affordable” nice suburbs. They would wake and hit the road before sunrise for the hellish commute over the Sunol Grade.

    Today, similar people drive in from Tracy, Manteca, and even Modesto. I have a colleague who commutes to San Mateo (where I now work) EVERY morning from Santa Rosa. I cannot even imagine doing that.

    Life is, in essence, about making choices. I made the trade-off of a suburban home (and schools) to buy my first house in central San Jose. I did not get a brand new house in a tract community – I got a 100 year old house in the middle of the city. But I could afford it (at the time, about $250,000), and my commute was 20 minutes on surface streets.

    If I had a family at the time, the calculus would have been different, of course. When I got married a few years later, I sold it for $500,000, which allowed a down payment in a more ‘suburban’ area. You simply HAVE to get on the ladder, or it is impossible, honestly.

    Something is going to have to give. There just are not enough paper millionaires, and there is only so much appetite for useless “apps.”

    Stanford University tries to help solve the problem by maintaining a bunch of early 20th century houses on its massive campus, which can only be bought by Stanford employees (the ZIP code is 94305). Even then, the homes are over a million bucks.

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  • @Anonymous Nephew
    It's one dysgenic factor in Catholic societies, I'm sure, having your brightest and best fail to reproduce. Whereas, contra Bill Jones, when the Church of England was formed and allowed its priests to marry, a huge number of priestly families produced notable offspring, so they couldn't have been that dim (CoE 'vicars' were mostly upper/upper-middle class younger sons).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_children_of_clergy#Protestant_and_Anglican

    This imperfect list, which includes the Bronte sisters, Jane Austen, Woodrow Wilson, Christopher Wren, Merkel and Theresa May, manages to leave out Horatio Nelson, Montgomery of Alamein and the scientist Robert Hooke, among I imagine many others. It's good on country and gospel singers though.

    I thought that Ashkenazi intelligence was a result of the fact that they couldn't own land and were restricted for hundreds of years to high-IQ occupations like finance, where the winners got the best girls and had the most kids.

    I thought that Ashkenazi intelligence was a result of the fact that they couldn’t own land and were restricted for hundreds of years to high-IQ occupations like finance, where the winners got the best girls and had the most kids.

    From interview for The Chosen Few: How Education Shaped Jewish History, 70-1492:

    -No proof of Jews being restricted from land ownership from 70-1492. In the later centuries Jews could and did own land but did not work the land.
    -2000 years ago Jews had same occupations as everyone else. Judaism was a two pillar religion: animal sacrifice and Torah study
    -After the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE (common era), Judaism became a one pillar religion and sons were expected to be educated. Even poor farmers had to sacrifice so that their sons could learn to read and study Torah, even though there was no economic benefit.
    -From 1st to 5th century number of Jews fell from 5.5m to 1.5m from war, disease, and mostly conversion to Christianity. Christianity didn’t require reading and studying. (the dumb Jews voluntarily left)
    -During the Muslim Empire, Jewish reading skills became useful. Became merchants, doctors, money lenders, especially during 8th-10th century.
    -Jews were money lenders before Christians were banned from the field. Even with the ban, some Christians were money lenders.

    Begins at 5:30

    http://www.tabletmag.com/podcasts/178610/why-jews-left-the-fields

    Religious Jewish women don’t pick husbands based on future earning potential. I saw video of an ultra-orthodox couple in Israel with nine kids living in a two-bedroom apartment. Pops spent all day studying. He had a full library in that two-bedroom apartment.

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  • @anonymous
    "I really have no idea why anyone would want to live out there and commute in to the Valley. It’s a horrific commute of about 35 traffic-choked miles up the 101. But people do it…."

    There are starting to be more and more stories like this:

    "In Search of Cheaper Housing, Silicon Valley Workers Face Long Commutes", Jeff Barrera, Peninsula Press April 7, 2016:


    "...Sean MacDonald’s shift as a Palo Alto fire captain starts at 8 a.m. By 4 a.m. he’s out the door and on the road. It’s 147 miles from his home in Roseville — northeast of Sacramento — to the fire station.

    “The drive stinks, no easy way about it,” he said, but “that’s the price you pay to have a job in the Bay Area and raise a family.”

    ...long commutes have become the norm among MacDonald’s fellow firefighters. “We’ve got guys living in Shingle Springs, Rocklin, Citrus Heights, Grass Valley,” he said, ticking off a dozen places over 100 miles from Palo Alto.

    Some of the younger firefighters live closer to Palo Alto, but they share apartments to save on rent. And even then, MacDonald said, “what they’re paying in rent is more than what I’m paying on a mortgage.”

    ...It’s not just firefighters who are being priced out by Silicon Valley’s cost of living.

    ...It’s middle- and lower-income workers — teachers and firefighters, security guards at tech campuses, waiters at restaurants — who have been priced out of the Peninsula and are spending much more time in traffic..."

     

    This little article has lots of iSteve-type data and graphs. This comes from "Data on household incomes, population growth, housing units and commute times come from the U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey."

    And living 35 miles south of San Jose in Gilroy has better weather than living 100 miles east in the Central Valley.

    If the Christopher Family owns 5,000 contiguous acres of nonmountainous land, that’s worth a fortune. For example, that would be a good place for the next University of California campus if there ever is another one. That’s about the size of Stanford’s colossal campus, although a lot of that is hilly.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “I really have no idea why anyone would want to live out there and commute in to the Valley. It’s a horrific commute of about 35 traffic-choked miles up the 101. But people do it….”

    There are starting to be more and more stories like this:

    “In Search of Cheaper Housing, Silicon Valley Workers Face Long Commutes”, Jeff Barrera, Peninsula Press April 7, 2016:

    “…Sean MacDonald’s shift as a Palo Alto fire captain starts at 8 a.m. By 4 a.m. he’s out the door and on the road. It’s 147 miles from his home in Roseville — northeast of Sacramento — to the fire station.

    “The drive stinks, no easy way about it,” he said, but “that’s the price you pay to have a job in the Bay Area and raise a family.”

    …long commutes have become the norm among MacDonald’s fellow firefighters. “We’ve got guys living in Shingle Springs, Rocklin, Citrus Heights, Grass Valley,” he said, ticking off a dozen places over 100 miles from Palo Alto.

    Some of the younger firefighters live closer to Palo Alto, but they share apartments to save on rent. And even then, MacDonald said, “what they’re paying in rent is more than what I’m paying on a mortgage.”

    …It’s not just firefighters who are being priced out by Silicon Valley’s cost of living.

    …It’s middle- and lower-income workers — teachers and firefighters, security guards at tech campuses, waiters at restaurants — who have been priced out of the Peninsula and are spending much more time in traffic…”

    This little article has lots of iSteve-type data and graphs. This comes from “Data on household incomes, population growth, housing units and commute times come from the U.S. Census Bureau’s American Community Survey.”

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    And living 35 miles south of San Jose in Gilroy has better weather than living 100 miles east in the Central Valley.

    If the Christopher Family owns 5,000 contiguous acres of nonmountainous land, that's worth a fortune. For example, that would be a good place for the next University of California campus if there ever is another one. That's about the size of Stanford's colossal campus, although a lot of that is hilly.

    , @DWB
    The stories are not really new. 20 years ago, a number of people who worked with me at my Santa Clara-based company lived in Pleasanton and Walnut Creek, which at the time were considered the more "affordable" nice suburbs. They would wake and hit the road before sunrise for the hellish commute over the Sunol Grade.

    Today, similar people drive in from Tracy, Manteca, and even Modesto. I have a colleague who commutes to San Mateo (where I now work) EVERY morning from Santa Rosa. I cannot even imagine doing that.

    Life is, in essence, about making choices. I made the trade-off of a suburban home (and schools) to buy my first house in central San Jose. I did not get a brand new house in a tract community - I got a 100 year old house in the middle of the city. But I could afford it (at the time, about $250,000), and my commute was 20 minutes on surface streets.

    If I had a family at the time, the calculus would have been different, of course. When I got married a few years later, I sold it for $500,000, which allowed a down payment in a more 'suburban' area. You simply HAVE to get on the ladder, or it is impossible, honestly.

    Something is going to have to give. There just are not enough paper millionaires, and there is only so much appetite for useless "apps."

    Stanford University tries to help solve the problem by maintaining a bunch of early 20th century houses on its massive campus, which can only be bought by Stanford employees (the ZIP code is 94305). Even then, the homes are over a million bucks.
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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @George
    It's not the illegals that are the problem. It is the US citizens that benefit from illegal aliens that are the problem. And the 2016 voting patterns show where they live. It is really not IMO agriculture that is the worst offender. It is big city foodies. Real estate owners, who used to be called rentiers. Government workers. Which is to say Blue Staters.

    Partially true, but one of the biggest offenders is Collin County Texas which has a median income around 80,000 and usually votes Republican. How do I know this, Dallas metro area including Collin County has about 450,000 illegal immigrants and is less than 3 million which means a lot of folks in Dallas to Plano use a lot of illegal immigrants for maids, gardeners and so forth. It ain’t all blue but upper-middle class red state as well.

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  • @DWB
    I suspect that, given the name "Christopher Ranch," and the name of the owner (Christopher), that farm has been in the family for more than the generation or so that would be required to trigger Proposition 13 (and subsequently, Propositions 58 and 193) re-assessments are met. Hence, the taxation on those 5000 acres is in all likelihood, a tiny, tiny fraction of what it would be if they were taxed at their actual, current value.

    In many counties of California, the assessed value (and tax burden) can be found on-line.

    My sister (a school teacher in the area) lived in Gilroy until about a year ago, when the combination of increasing cost of living and growing problems of "vibrancy" in the school led her to move out of California.

    I really have no idea why anyone would want to live out there and commute in to the Valley. It's a horrific commute of about 35 traffic-choked miles up the 101. But people do it....

    DWB Thank you. Very informative.

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  • @anonymous
    "Gilroy isn’t 10-15 minutes from Alamaden Valley nor is it anything approaching a commutable town for Silicon Valley."

    Okay, google says Gilroy to Almaden Expressway is 23 min (25.6 miles). But there's a good chunk of stuff before you get to the expressway. I'll give you that with normal traffic it probably seems impossible to commute on any California highway.

    I've known people who commute to Silicon Valley from Gilroy. Heck, a decade a ago I knew a lot of people who commuted to Silicon Valley by driving from the Watsonville area, some might still be.

    One of the secrets to commuting from Gilroy into Silicon Valley is CalTrain (I've known people who brought cheap houses in the Gilroy area and did this):

    Gilroy, California, Public transportation:


    "...The Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority provides local buses and express buses to San Jose and Sunnyvale.

    ...Gilroy is the southern terminus of Caltrain, which operates three northbound and three southbound rush-hour commute trains each weekday between the Gilroy (Caltrain station) and the Santa Clara Valley, San Francisco Peninsula and San Francisco."

     

    CalTrain is one of the secrets to silicon valley. (The Santa Clara Valley is silicon valley.) Places that try to reproduce silicon valley often overlook that it's built on the backbone of the oldest running railroad west of the Mississippi (or so they say, I think.)

    Don't underestimate the long distance silicon valley commuter! I've known people who commute from north of the Golden Gate bridge and plenty from Pleasanton, Tracy, and as far as Stockton on the ACE train. I've known people who drive from Pleasanton and Tracy.

    These ultra-long commutes are one of the side-effects of the weird silicon valley housing market, where even successful people often can't afford to buy "real" houses if they want to have kids, etc.. It's an invisible tax. There seem to be lots of factors. The "Google-stock" effect, out-of-control immigration, limited housing space, some just plain crudy places no one would want to live...

    You know, the point you’re referring to (Almaden Expressway) is the END of the Valley. Once you reach it, you’re more or less where people living in Almaden Valley BEGIN their commutes up to the so-called “Golden Triangle” (North First St area) and the tech cities of Sunnyvale, Cupertino, Mountain View, and Palo Alto.

    My first apartment was in central Cupertino; I used to commute up 280 to Palo Alto to my job. In 1994, that ride was 20-30 minutes. I can only guess what it is now.

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  • @Buffalo Joe
    anon, here in WNY we have "Right to Farm" laws that basically say, hey farming is stinky, smelly, dusty, loud and other unpleasant things, but we gots to have farms. Five thousand acres is an enormous chunk of land, I wonder what the taxes are,

    I suspect that, given the name “Christopher Ranch,” and the name of the owner (Christopher), that farm has been in the family for more than the generation or so that would be required to trigger Proposition 13 (and subsequently, Propositions 58 and 193) re-assessments are met. Hence, the taxation on those 5000 acres is in all likelihood, a tiny, tiny fraction of what it would be if they were taxed at their actual, current value.

    In many counties of California, the assessed value (and tax burden) can be found on-line.

    My sister (a school teacher in the area) lived in Gilroy until about a year ago, when the combination of increasing cost of living and growing problems of “vibrancy” in the school led her to move out of California.

    I really have no idea why anyone would want to live out there and commute in to the Valley. It’s a horrific commute of about 35 traffic-choked miles up the 101. But people do it….

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    DWB Thank you. Very informative.
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  • @Anonymous Nephew
    It's one dysgenic factor in Catholic societies, I'm sure, having your brightest and best fail to reproduce. Whereas, contra Bill Jones, when the Church of England was formed and allowed its priests to marry, a huge number of priestly families produced notable offspring, so they couldn't have been that dim (CoE 'vicars' were mostly upper/upper-middle class younger sons).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_children_of_clergy#Protestant_and_Anglican

    This imperfect list, which includes the Bronte sisters, Jane Austen, Woodrow Wilson, Christopher Wren, Merkel and Theresa May, manages to leave out Horatio Nelson, Montgomery of Alamein and the scientist Robert Hooke, among I imagine many others. It's good on country and gospel singers though.

    I thought that Ashkenazi intelligence was a result of the fact that they couldn't own land and were restricted for hundreds of years to high-IQ occupations like finance, where the winners got the best girls and had the most kids.

    In Orthodox Christian countries, priests are not only allowed to marry, but are expected either to marry or to “get thee to a monkery”. While basic literacy was common among the children of rural priests, beyond that the level of education was not very high. There is not much need for Talmudic-like scholarship. The great Orthodox Christian intellectuals traditionally came from the Byzantine upper middle class. Anyway, this is another data point to consider.

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  • “Many crops need to be picked by low skilled Mexicans at cheap wages to be competitive.”

    If that is the case then they shouldn’t be grown here. It’s not like the farmers will be decimated … if they can’t grow lettuce they can grow alfalfa, corn, potatoes, something easily mechanizable. We can get our fresh veg from Mexico etc. Right now I’m noshing on some wonderful blueberries from Chile!

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  • @Forbes
    It's not like the undocumented immigrants were voting for Trump...

    It’s not the illegals that are the problem. It is the US citizens that benefit from illegal aliens that are the problem. And the 2016 voting patterns show where they live. It is really not IMO agriculture that is the worst offender. It is big city foodies. Real estate owners, who used to be called rentiers. Government workers. Which is to say Blue Staters.

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    Partially true, but one of the biggest offenders is Collin County Texas which has a median income around 80,000 and usually votes Republican. How do I know this, Dallas metro area including Collin County has about 450,000 illegal immigrants and is less than 3 million which means a lot of folks in Dallas to Plano use a lot of illegal immigrants for maids, gardeners and so forth. It ain't all blue but upper-middle class red state as well.
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  • @george
    Hey iSteve, you know what's worse than crops rotting in the fields? Real estate rotting in the fields? A close second is not being able to find a handyman, or authentic ethnic food.

    Most Undocumented Immigrants Live In Areas That Trump Lost

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-undocumented-immigrants-live-in-areas-that-trump-lost/

    It’s not like the undocumented immigrants were voting for Trump…

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    It's not the illegals that are the problem. It is the US citizens that benefit from illegal aliens that are the problem. And the 2016 voting patterns show where they live. It is really not IMO agriculture that is the worst offender. It is big city foodies. Real estate owners, who used to be called rentiers. Government workers. Which is to say Blue Staters.
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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Gilroy isn’t 10-15 minutes from Alamaden Valley nor is it anything approaching a commutable town for Silicon Valley.”

    Okay, google says Gilroy to Almaden Expressway is 23 min (25.6 miles). But there’s a good chunk of stuff before you get to the expressway. I’ll give you that with normal traffic it probably seems impossible to commute on any California highway.

    I’ve known people who commute to Silicon Valley from Gilroy. Heck, a decade a ago I knew a lot of people who commuted to Silicon Valley by driving from the Watsonville area, some might still be.

    One of the secrets to commuting from Gilroy into Silicon Valley is CalTrain (I’ve known people who brought cheap houses in the Gilroy area and did this):

    Gilroy, California, Public transportation:

    “…The Santa Clara Valley Transportation Authority provides local buses and express buses to San Jose and Sunnyvale.

    Gilroy is the southern terminus of Caltrain, which operates three northbound and three southbound rush-hour commute trains each weekday between the Gilroy (Caltrain station) and the Santa Clara Valley, San Francisco Peninsula and San Francisco.”

    CalTrain is one of the secrets to silicon valley. (The Santa Clara Valley is silicon valley.) Places that try to reproduce silicon valley often overlook that it’s built on the backbone of the oldest running railroad west of the Mississippi (or so they say, I think.)

    Don’t underestimate the long distance silicon valley commuter! I’ve known people who commute from north of the Golden Gate bridge and plenty from Pleasanton, Tracy, and as far as Stockton on the ACE train. I’ve known people who drive from Pleasanton and Tracy.

    These ultra-long commutes are one of the side-effects of the weird silicon valley housing market, where even successful people often can’t afford to buy “real” houses if they want to have kids, etc.. It’s an invisible tax. There seem to be lots of factors. The “Google-stock” effect, out-of-control immigration, limited housing space, some just plain crudy places no one would want to live…

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    You know, the point you're referring to (Almaden Expressway) is the END of the Valley. Once you reach it, you're more or less where people living in Almaden Valley BEGIN their commutes up to the so-called "Golden Triangle" (North First St area) and the tech cities of Sunnyvale, Cupertino, Mountain View, and Palo Alto.

    My first apartment was in central Cupertino; I used to commute up 280 to Palo Alto to my job. In 1994, that ride was 20-30 minutes. I can only guess what it is now.
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  • @E. Rekshun
    you can still send your kid to the store to bring back cigarettes...drink liquor openly while you happily burn trash in your front yard.

    One could still do this in my Boston suburb until the early '80s.

    One can still do this in Japan!

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  • @Buffalo Joe
    SPMoore, Garlic is a cooking staple of mine too, but they grow garlic locally in WNY. If you can grow it is our shortened season, I think you can grow it anywhere. Do some research and maybe you can grow your own. Garlic has a long shelf life, I remember ropes of the bulbs hanging in my grandmother cellar, and no vampires either.

    Gsrlic should be easy if it is like onions (is it?). In Mongolia, a bad place to grow vegetables, it’s root veggies you see everywhere.

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  • Gilroy isn’t 10-15 minutes from Alamaden Valley nor is it anything approaching a commutable town for Silicon Valley. It’s got an outlet mall, a kids amusement park with agricultural themes, and a lot of farming. It can draw labor from the Monterey peninsula. That part is accurate.

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  • @a Newsreader
    That's stupid. All this will do is raise the price of fresh vegetables. Don't you know how much it costs to feed a family of four?

    Besides, this story must be false. Everyone knows that Americans won't work for farmers. We're much too lazy to pick garlic, at any price.

    Oh well. Time to peel some fresh avocados from Mexico and make some cocktails.

    In Japan, garlic, avocados, limes, etc actually are expensive. But you adjust. Appropos your comment about cocktails, I used to live on margaritas and g&t’s in my hometown, but at almost 1 lime per drink, it is prohibitively expensive in Japan. But whatever. That’s life.

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  • @Grumpy
    Poverty and wealth are in close proximity throughout the greater Bay Area.

    This can have interesting consequences.

    You can spend a fortune to buy a modest house for your family in Santa Cruz, but that doesn't guarantee that your daughters won't run around with boys from nearby Watsonville.

    Poverty and wealth are in close proximity throughout the greater Bay Area.

    Yes, same in every metro are in Florida.

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  • @Triumph104
    I have heard that the main reason farmers don't provide accommodations is because the housing has to be up to code, couldn't just be simple bunkhouses. In El Paso, TX, the police would let farm workers sleep downtown on the sidewalks and a bus would come pick them up in the morning to take them to the fields.

    I was just reading about Joe Bageant's time in Belize:

    In places like Hopkins Village you can still send your kid to the store to bring back cigarettes. Now the politically correct set up there in the States may be blowing soy milk out their noses at the thought, but it represents a degree of freedom from government control. And besides, it is not American's business how the black Garifuna people — whose ancestors escaped in the 16th from a wrecked slave ship in the 16th century — of Belize run their lives. In Belize it is not against the law to drink and drive and there are no speed limits. Here in Hopkins you can build your house without a permit or inspections, sell real estate without a license, drink liquor openly while you happily burn trash in your front yard. You can peddle homemade darasa — grated spiced banana wrapped and cooked in banana leaf wrappers — or barbeque pork to the neighbors from your front porch with no interference from health inspectors.

    Most of this non-interference is simply because it is not in the national character to control every aspect of society or try to protect every single citizen from every possible misfortune. And part of this non-interference is due to a lack of expensive regulatory infrastructure. Faced with choosing between running schools for children down in the wilds of the Toledo district, or busting Aunt Lula for peddling pig's tails stewed in red beans on the street corner, the government gives Aunt Lula a pass. It's a loose place, a Libertarian's wet dream.
     
    http://www.energygrid.com/society/2007/02jb-escapeamerica.html

    you can still send your kid to the store to bring back cigarettes…drink liquor openly while you happily burn trash in your front yard.

    One could still do this in my Boston suburb until the early ’80s.

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  • @Anon
    This only works to the extent that there is a niche market for local garlic

    Many crops need to be picked by low skilled Mexicans at cheap wages to be competitive. It can be here in the US or in Mexico or Asia but most people do not put their money where their mouth is and want cheap products

    Which is why I use the ready squished Italian stuff that comes in oil in a toothpaste tube. Garlic, like dope, doesn’t grow properly here anyway. Might as well pay some guy over in Abroad that has the good gear.
    Not because I’m a lazy slob (honestly is there a bigger PITA than peeling and chopping/pressing that stuff. Ladies dislike the authentic ‘smash the thing with the side of a knife and toss it in whole’ approach, I’ve found. Doesn’t bother me, but then I never peel potatoes either).

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  • @unpc downunder
    If there are fewer benefits people will leave the area and find somewhere with better benefits or higher wages. Or they will try to move onto a different class of benefits. In the UK commonwealth tougher restrictions on unemployment benefits have resulted in the following:

    People moving from unemployment benefits to sickness benefits

    People moving from countries or states with lower benefits and lower wages to those with higher benefits and wages (eg, from New Zealand to Australia, or from Tasmania to New South Wales).

    People refusing to do seasonal jobs for fear of not being able to get back onto benefits when they finish.

    People refusing to do seasonal jobs for fear of not being able to get back onto benefits when they finish.

    You’ve hit on something here. I’ve long railed that my employer shouldn’t have any more involvement in my health insurance than he does in my auto or home insurance.

    The current scheme is all built on a ridiculous war-era wage control loophole from seventy years ago and makes no sense.

    But things like this also persist because someone is profiting from them.

    How much is this a new serfdom? Is our entire healthcare system held hostage to the fact that big business likes us dependent on them in this regard? Likes that we have to face health-care uncertainty if we quit the workplace?

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  • @anonymous
    Gilroy is actually a short drive (10 to 15 minutes on 101) from one of the largest bedroom community areas of Silicon Valley, the
    Alamden Valley
    area. That's as in IBM Almaden, one of IBM's famous research labs. A few years ago Cisco was going to relocate out near this area Coyote Valley, although that fell apart.

    Just south of Almaden, Silicon Valley reverts to being the old ag "Valley of Hearts Delight".

    There is a lot of local ag labour available (and often underemployed) within easy commute distance of Gilroy. It comes mostly from Watsonville and Salinas. These are ag towns that somewhat resemble modern California central valley towns.

    This is literally Steinbeck "Grapes of Wrath" country, supposedly the best farmland in the world with the highest average hourly ag wages. This is modern ag, with very large fields, heavily mechanized, a lot of large ag and canning companies. Very much not small farms, rather, big business.

    (The land is supposed to be so good because at one time the California central valley was an inland sea the emptied into the Pacific (the Monterey Bay) via this area.)

    That inland sea may come back if our dams and spillways can’t hold up to big rainstorms. Shoot, in my neighborhood there was so much rain that I envisioned all the backyard pools overflowing and joining together to make a scene out of the Katrina hurricane.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Mike Zwick
    Most of the garlic sold in this country now comes from China. This article is 10 years old but still valid. Look at the garlic in any big box store and it will probably say "Grown in China." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11613477

    This only works to the extent that there is a niche market for local garlic

    Many crops need to be picked by low skilled Mexicans at cheap wages to be competitive. It can be here in the US or in Mexico or Asia but most people do not put their money where their mouth is and want cheap products

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    Which is why I use the ready squished Italian stuff that comes in oil in a toothpaste tube. Garlic, like dope, doesn't grow properly here anyway. Might as well pay some guy over in Abroad that has the good gear.
    Not because I'm a lazy slob (honestly is there a bigger PITA than peeling and chopping/pressing that stuff. Ladies dislike the authentic 'smash the thing with the side of a knife and toss it in whole' approach, I've found. Doesn't bother me, but then I never peel potatoes either).
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  • @Steve Sailer
    Mr. Christopher of Christopher Ranch has his job, landowner, because his family owns 5,000 flat acres of Santa Clara County land.

    are you actually arguing against monarchy?

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  • Hey iSteve, you know what’s worse than crops rotting in the fields? Real estate rotting in the fields? A close second is not being able to find a handyman, or authentic ethnic food.

    Most Undocumented Immigrants Live In Areas That Trump Lost

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-undocumented-immigrants-live-in-areas-that-trump-lost/

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    It's not like the undocumented immigrants were voting for Trump...
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  • During the short cranberry picking season in the NJ pines, they pay $15 plus time-and-a-half for OT for pickers, packers, drivers, etc. Locals, who are white rural middle class people, including cops and teachers, save their vacation days to work nonstop two or three weeks and make a killing. The growers have no choice but to pay because the season is so short and there is a shortage of migrant labor.

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  • @anon
    Not just Bay Area. I grew up in DC and the far western suburbs where we have the family dacha (Loudoun/Clarke county border) used to be farms. Now it's... McMansions.

    I grew up in the DC area, live here now, even Fairfax had running farms in the 80s.

    I think today the closest operational farms to DC are in PG County. They still have a couple in Oxon Hill, Brandywine and areas along 301.

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  • @a Newsreader
    That's stupid. All this will do is raise the price of fresh vegetables. Don't you know how much it costs to feed a family of four?

    Besides, this story must be false. Everyone knows that Americans won't work for farmers. We're much too lazy to pick garlic, at any price.

    Oh well. Time to peel some fresh avocados from Mexico and make some cocktails.

    Garlic is like 50 cents a piece and folks usually don’t use the whole thing for one recipe. Stop whining and pay up.

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  • @unpc downunder
    If there are fewer benefits people will leave the area and find somewhere with better benefits or higher wages. Or they will try to move onto a different class of benefits. In the UK commonwealth tougher restrictions on unemployment benefits have resulted in the following:

    People moving from unemployment benefits to sickness benefits

    People moving from countries or states with lower benefits and lower wages to those with higher benefits and wages (eg, from New Zealand to Australia, or from Tasmania to New South Wales).

    People refusing to do seasonal jobs for fear of not being able to get back onto benefits when they finish.

    People moving from unemployment benefits to sickness benefits

    Toughen up the eligibility for sickness benefits.

    People moving from countries or states with lower benefits and lower wages to those with higher benefits and wages (eg, from New Zealand to Australia, or from Tasmania to New South Wales).

    Centralise the benefit procedure nationally, and remove the entitlement for foreigners to get benefits.

    People refusing to do seasonal jobs for fear of not being able to get back onto benefits when they finish.

    Don’t care.

    Funny how someone with the username “unpc” turns into a pearl-clutching liberal whenever you propose taking away their precious bennies.

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  • @Stan Adams
    Isn't the fact that rabbis were allowed to have kids and priests weren't often used to explain Jewish intelligence?

    Supposedly the smart goy boys went into the childless church, depriving future generations of their superior genetics.

    It’s one dysgenic factor in Catholic societies, I’m sure, having your brightest and best fail to reproduce. Whereas, contra Bill Jones, when the Church of England was formed and allowed its priests to marry, a huge number of priestly families produced notable offspring, so they couldn’t have been that dim (CoE ‘vicars’ were mostly upper/upper-middle class younger sons).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_children_of_clergy#Protestant_and_Anglican

    This imperfect list, which includes the Bronte sisters, Jane Austen, Woodrow Wilson, Christopher Wren, Merkel and Theresa May, manages to leave out Horatio Nelson, Montgomery of Alamein and the scientist Robert Hooke, among I imagine many others. It’s good on country and gospel singers though.

    I thought that Ashkenazi intelligence was a result of the fact that they couldn’t own land and were restricted for hundreds of years to high-IQ occupations like finance, where the winners got the best girls and had the most kids.

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    In Orthodox Christian countries, priests are not only allowed to marry, but are expected either to marry or to "get thee to a monkery". While basic literacy was common among the children of rural priests, beyond that the level of education was not very high. There is not much need for Talmudic-like scholarship. The great Orthodox Christian intellectuals traditionally came from the Byzantine upper middle class. Anyway, this is another data point to consider.
    , @Triumph104

    I thought that Ashkenazi intelligence was a result of the fact that they couldn’t own land and were restricted for hundreds of years to high-IQ occupations like finance, where the winners got the best girls and had the most kids.
     
    From interview for The Chosen Few: How Education Shaped Jewish History, 70-1492:

    -No proof of Jews being restricted from land ownership from 70-1492. In the later centuries Jews could and did own land but did not work the land.
    -2000 years ago Jews had same occupations as everyone else. Judaism was a two pillar religion: animal sacrifice and Torah study
    -After the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE (common era), Judaism became a one pillar religion and sons were expected to be educated. Even poor farmers had to sacrifice so that their sons could learn to read and study Torah, even though there was no economic benefit.
    -From 1st to 5th century number of Jews fell from 5.5m to 1.5m from war, disease, and mostly conversion to Christianity. Christianity didn't require reading and studying. (the dumb Jews voluntarily left)
    -During the Muslim Empire, Jewish reading skills became useful. Became merchants, doctors, money lenders, especially during 8th-10th century.
    -Jews were money lenders before Christians were banned from the field. Even with the ban, some Christians were money lenders.

    Begins at 5:30
    http://www.tabletmag.com/podcasts/178610/why-jews-left-the-fields

    Religious Jewish women don't pick husbands based on future earning potential. I saw video of an ultra-orthodox couple in Israel with nine kids living in a two-bedroom apartment. Pops spent all day studying. He had a full library in that two-bedroom apartment.

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  • @a Newsreader
    That's stupid. All this will do is raise the price of fresh vegetables. Don't you know how much it costs to feed a family of four?

    Besides, this story must be false. Everyone knows that Americans won't work for farmers. We're much too lazy to pick garlic, at any price.

    Oh well. Time to peel some fresh avocados from Mexico and make some cocktails.

    That’s stupid. All this will do is raise the price of fresh vegetables. Don’t you know how much it costs to feed a family of four?

    Like all other forms of produce, garlic doesn’t grow anywhere outside of Gilroy, and if it did, we’d be too stupid to know how.

    Then after it grows, you can’t, like, save it in any way. It disappears when exposed to sunlight for drying and explodes in the temperatures inside an upright freezer. If you pressure can it, it emits gamma rays.

    Cash and Carry (restaurant supply store) sack garlic (peeled, five pound bag) now costs $1,400 a pound. This is going to raise it to $1,675 a pound. I have a spreadsheet from UC-Berkeley’s Department of Poverty Studies Studies proving this.

    And since we eat fifteen pounds of it a week, each, somebody better tell the parrot we’re going to have to parlay his Brazilian ancestry into an affirmative action civil service job.

    Otherwise, we’re going to have to start eating other things. Like squirrels. He hates eating squirrels. He likes them alive, so he can shout at them angrily as they pass by his window.

    That or we’ll starve, but at least we’ll die streaming Netflix videos and playing Grand Theft Judiciary on our iPhone 7s.

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  • @anonymous
    The garlic farm workers are often from Salinas:


    "...As of the 2008–2012 American Community Survey by the U.S. Census Bureau, Salinas tended to be poorer and less educated than California and the nation as a whole...

    ...most neighborhoods saw 1 in every 4-to-6 residents live in poverty...

    ...Hispanic or Latino of any race were 112,799 persons (75.0%)...

    ...Salinas has long had a well-recognized, significant problem with organized street gangs Such as Nortenos and Surenos, and associated violent crime...

    ...the city's overall violent crime and homicide rates are significantly above those for California and the nation overall...

    ...Gang activity and violent crime are focused in the poorer parts of Central and East Salinas...

    ...legacy of multi-generational gang membership among the poorer and less educated residents of East Salinas..."

     

    And Watsonville:


    "...ranked amongst the top most important farming cities in the United States for its agro-business...

    ...Hispanic or Latino of any race were 41,656 persons (81.4%)...

    ...The per capita income for the city was $16,407. About 18.6% of families and 20.4% of the population were below the poverty line, including 27.6% of those under age 18 and 15.6% of those age 65 or over...

    ...Watsonville is home to approximately 560 documented gang members and 9-10 known gangs. While gang activity is on the rise, crime itself continues to fall and is currently at its lowest in 30 years..."

     

    Poverty and wealth are in close proximity throughout the greater Bay Area.

    This can have interesting consequences.

    You can spend a fortune to buy a modest house for your family in Santa Cruz, but that doesn’t guarantee that your daughters won’t run around with boys from nearby Watsonville.

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    Poverty and wealth are in close proximity throughout the greater Bay Area.

    Yes, same in every metro are in Florida.
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  • @anony-mouse
    5000 acres of garlic in a place that's growing in wealth?

    Here's another idea. He's desperate for workers to run his farm so he can blackmail potential developers into giving him him money to stop.

    'Gee Mr. Bigtime Developer. I know my 5000 acre lovely smelling garlic farm is making it impossible for you to build communities that any rich person would want to live in, but what can I do?

    'Take your money for far more than my land is worth? Well thanks Mr Bigtime Developer. Okay $15/hour workers, time's up.'

    “‘Gee Mr. Bigtime Developer. I know my 5000 acre lovely smelling garlic farm is making it impossible for you to build communities that any rich person would want to live in, but what can I do?”

    You are obvioulsy ignorant whereof you speak. Garlic farms don’t stink; the smell of garlic fields is a mild, pleasant garlic smell and not pungent or acrid at all. If you had ever driven through Gilroy, you’d know that.

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  • @Mike Zwick
    Most of the garlic sold in this country now comes from China. This article is 10 years old but still valid. Look at the garlic in any big box store and it will probably say "Grown in China." http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11613477

    Costco sells Gilroy garlic.

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  • The garlic is mostly not grown in gilroy anymore. A fungus developed in the soil and the garlic does not grow very well there any longer. They grow a little in gilroy still, and the rest of this company’s garlic comes from land throughout cali. They have a huge processing plant in gilroy and it all comes through there which is why it still smells like garlic.

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  • @SPMoore8
    Gilroy is billed as the Garlic capital of the world; they even have a festival there every year. Since I like garlic and use it for cooking all the time, my first question is, how much of my garlic comes from Gilroy and how much will that raise the price for me. Personally, I'd rather pay a bit more for garlic than to have more arable turned into tract housing or McMansions. The fringes of the Bay Area used to be covered with orchards, fruits, nuts, and so on, as well as many dairy farms. I get the impression most of that's gone, now.

    Christopher Ranch grows higher end and organic garlic. Chinese supermarkets around here have giant containers of peeled garlic from China at about 1/10 the price. Like $2 a pound. It tastes just fine, only a bit inferior to fresh.

    As for developing the land with housing, I highly doubt it is possible. At least around San Diego, the remaining farming towns have restrictions of one house per acre or per five acres, plus pretty high development fees.

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  • @anonymous
    "Until he sells it."

    and

    "There will never be a house built on that land."


    Although never say never, this farmland is so good that if a farming family had a significant amount of land and were smart enough to incorporate so they can pass the farm on to family, they might decide to hold instead of sell. In the Pajaro valley (where Watsonville is):

    "California landowners resist efforts to monitor groundwater:
    The Pajaro Valley: One region's water story"
    , Heesun Wee, CNBC, 13 May 2015:


    "...The valley generates about $30,000 in revenue per acre annually, making it among the most productive agricultural land in the country."

     

    So that 5,000 acre "family" farm is potentially generating 150 million dollars per year forever.

    Life is good and full of options if you own 8 square miles of Santa Clara County.

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  • Most of the garlic sold in this country now comes from China. This article is 10 years old but still valid. Look at the garlic in any big box store and it will probably say “Grown in China.” http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=11613477

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    Costco sells Gilroy garlic.
    , @Anon
    This only works to the extent that there is a niche market for local garlic

    Many crops need to be picked by low skilled Mexicans at cheap wages to be competitive. It can be here in the US or in Mexico or Asia but most people do not put their money where their mouth is and want cheap products
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  • Are people so stupid they need a story like this to explain common sense. I think you’ll find 65+ million Trump voters who knew this all along.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Until he sells it.”

    and

    “There will never be a house built on that land.”

    Although never say never, this farmland is so good that if a farming family had a significant amount of land and were smart enough to incorporate so they can pass the farm on to family, they might decide to hold instead of sell. In the Pajaro valley (where Watsonville is):

    “California landowners resist efforts to monitor groundwater:
    The Pajaro Valley: One region’s water story”
    , Heesun Wee, CNBC, 13 May 2015:

    “…The valley generates about $30,000 in revenue per acre annually, making it among the most productive agricultural land in the country.”

    So that 5,000 acre “family” farm is potentially generating 150 million dollars per year forever.

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    Life is good and full of options if you own 8 square miles of Santa Clara County.
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  • @Faraday's Bobcat
    There will never be a house built on that land. Two huge parcels much closer to San Jose, the former HP "ranch" and the old United Technologies rocket plant and test area, were made open space in perpetuity. That's how they keep land prices high and po folks out of the way down in Salinas.

    And, unfortunately for Christopher, garlic is being imported from China now.

    That Garlic from China is cr*p, Gilroy Garlic is preferred by Chinese over their own local stuff for obvious reasons like it being grown with contaminated water and fertilizers among other things.

    Still I’d hate to see that land end up housing a bunch of freaky code monkeys and Hindu imports for some scumbag Silicon Valley firm.

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  • @unpc downunder
    You hit another reason why its hard to get seasonal labour these days. Hardly anyone provides on-farm accommodation any more.

    I suspect one of the reasons is that farmers are nervous about having illegals on their property. Much easier for the government to do an immigration raid on a farm if they know illegals are staying there as well as working there.

    I have heard that the main reason farmers don’t provide accommodations is because the housing has to be up to code, couldn’t just be simple bunkhouses. In El Paso, TX, the police would let farm workers sleep downtown on the sidewalks and a bus would come pick them up in the morning to take them to the fields.

    I was just reading about Joe Bageant’s time in Belize:

    In places like Hopkins Village you can still send your kid to the store to bring back cigarettes. Now the politically correct set up there in the States may be blowing soy milk out their noses at the thought, but it represents a degree of freedom from government control. And besides, it is not American’s business how the black Garifuna people — whose ancestors escaped in the 16th from a wrecked slave ship in the 16th century — of Belize run their lives. In Belize it is not against the law to drink and drive and there are no speed limits. Here in Hopkins you can build your house without a permit or inspections, sell real estate without a license, drink liquor openly while you happily burn trash in your front yard. You can peddle homemade darasa — grated spiced banana wrapped and cooked in banana leaf wrappers — or barbeque pork to the neighbors from your front porch with no interference from health inspectors.

    Most of this non-interference is simply because it is not in the national character to control every aspect of society or try to protect every single citizen from every possible misfortune. And part of this non-interference is due to a lack of expensive regulatory infrastructure. Faced with choosing between running schools for children down in the wilds of the Toledo district, or busting Aunt Lula for peddling pig’s tails stewed in red beans on the street corner, the government gives Aunt Lula a pass. It’s a loose place, a Libertarian’s wet dream.

    http://www.energygrid.com/society/2007/02jb-escapeamerica.html

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    you can still send your kid to the store to bring back cigarettes...drink liquor openly while you happily burn trash in your front yard.

    One could still do this in my Boston suburb until the early '80s.
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  • FWIW, the Christophers are said to be good local citizens who donate a lot of money to the community.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_High_School

    Also, Gilroy just passed a Portland-style growth boundary so maybe there won’t be houses there after all

    http://www.greenbelt.org/blog/vote-yes-measure-h-gilroy/

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What percentage of the cost of veggies is labor?

    I don’t know if this is accurate, but I’ve heard that in the end-cost of lettuce ag labor can be as low as 5%. That is pretty close to the following (8%):

    “The Costs and Benefits of a Raise for Field Workers”, The New York Times, Philip Martin, September 30, 2011:

    “…In 2006, farmers received an average of 30 percent of the retail price of fresh fruits and 25 percent of the retail price of fresh vegetables…

    …Farm labor costs are typically less than a third of farm revenue for fresh fruits and vegetables, meaning that farm worker wages and benefits for fresh fruits and vegetables cost the average household $38 a year…

    …Consumers who pay $1 for a pound of apples are giving 30 cents to the farmer and 10 cents to the farm worker; those spending $2 for a head of lettuce are giving 50 cents to the farmer and 16 cents to the farm worker.…”

    Philip Martin is identified as “a labor economist at the University of California, Davis, is the author, most recently, of “Importing Poverty? Immigration and the Changing Face of Rural America.”

    “Importing Poverty?: Immigration and the Changing Face of Rural America”, Philip Martin, 2009.

    From the book’s jacket material:

    “…American agriculture employs some 2.5 million workers during a typical year, most for fewer than six months. Three fourths of these farm workers are immigrants, half are unauthorized, and most will leave seasonal farm work within a decade.

    …the business-labor model that has evolved in rural America is neither desirable nor sustainable. …proposes regularizing U.S. farm workers and rationalizing the farm labor market…”

    “…one of the most distinguished American students of international migration. This highly accessible volume builds on more than three decades of sustained inquiry into the effects of international migration upon rural America. Martin’s often disturbing findings should alarm Americans.”

    If you think about this long enough, you might conclude that Confederate plantation owners weren’t really defeated for good, they just moved west and kept their attitudes toward cheap farm labor.

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  • @Bill Jones
    And he's only a VP?

    The dim sons in England always went into the Church.

    Isn’t the fact that rabbis were allowed to have kids and priests weren’t often used to explain Jewish intelligence?

    Supposedly the smart goy boys went into the childless church, depriving future generations of their superior genetics.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous Nephew
    It's one dysgenic factor in Catholic societies, I'm sure, having your brightest and best fail to reproduce. Whereas, contra Bill Jones, when the Church of England was formed and allowed its priests to marry, a huge number of priestly families produced notable offspring, so they couldn't have been that dim (CoE 'vicars' were mostly upper/upper-middle class younger sons).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_children_of_clergy#Protestant_and_Anglican

    This imperfect list, which includes the Bronte sisters, Jane Austen, Woodrow Wilson, Christopher Wren, Merkel and Theresa May, manages to leave out Horatio Nelson, Montgomery of Alamein and the scientist Robert Hooke, among I imagine many others. It's good on country and gospel singers though.

    I thought that Ashkenazi intelligence was a result of the fact that they couldn't own land and were restricted for hundreds of years to high-IQ occupations like finance, where the winners got the best girls and had the most kids.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    Mr. Christopher of Christopher Ranch has his job, landowner, because his family owns 5,000 flat acres of Santa Clara County land.

    And he’s only a VP?

    The dim sons in England always went into the Church.

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    • Replies: @Stan Adams
    Isn't the fact that rabbis were allowed to have kids and priests weren't often used to explain Jewish intelligence?

    Supposedly the smart goy boys went into the childless church, depriving future generations of their superior genetics.
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  • There will never be a house built on that land. Two huge parcels much closer to San Jose, the former HP “ranch” and the old United Technologies rocket plant and test area, were made open space in perpetuity. That’s how they keep land prices high and po folks out of the way down in Salinas.

    And, unfortunately for Christopher, garlic is being imported from China now.

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    • Replies: @Rod1963
    That Garlic from China is cr*p, Gilroy Garlic is preferred by Chinese over their own local stuff for obvious reasons like it being grown with contaminated water and fertilizers among other things.

    Still I'd hate to see that land end up housing a bunch of freaky code monkeys and Hindu imports for some scumbag Silicon Valley firm.
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  • @Anon
    You can raise wages or cut benefits.

    If there are fewer benefits, people will work for less.

    Uh-huh. And what, precisely, is your floor? What’s the standard of living you won’t let any significant number of your compatriots fall beneath?

    Or is there one? Or do you want a race to the bottom? And, leaving aside the morality, who in that case will be buying the products being made? And do you really want to earmark the money you’re paying in taxes, for private security?

    That kind of thinking, inasmuch as it makes sense, makes more sense in a world where it doesn’t entail taking American’s last protection against being forced into the same standards of living as the poorest in the world.

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