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    Edit 2/24/14 [Post updated, see below] Edit 7/20/13: [Post updated as per HBD Chick's comment. See below] The European colonists (mostly British, French, and Germans, with a smattering of other groups) who first settled North America brought with them their distinct "cultural" features that laid the foundation for the persistent regional differences across the U.S....
  • […] book American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America A Tentative Ranking of the Clannishness of the “Founding Fathers Maps of the American Nations Demography is Destiny, American Nations Edition Assortative migration […]

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  • […] book American Nations: A History of the Eleven Rival Regional Cultures of North America A Tentative Ranking of the Clannishness of the “Founding Fathers Maps of the American Nations Demography is Destiny, American Nations Edition Assortative migration […]

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  • What with demand for Volkswagens soaring, German Chancellor Merkel's decision to let in (literally) countless numbers of newcomers from the Muslim world is being hailed as an economic masterstroke that will counteract the deleterious wage-boosting effects of the number of working-age residents in Germany being otherwise expected to plunge from 49.2 million in 2013 all...
  • […] into submission. Most people would suspect that bringing in hordes of low-IQ, illiterate, and inbred immigrants might not just be “bad for the economy” but wreak quasi-permanent damage on one’s […]

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  • HBD Chick and I talk about how rates of historic inbreeding have had an important impact on the selective pressures acting on the traits of various peoples living today. We have often used Europe and the Middle East as examples of this, because strong regional variations in historic rates of inbreeding exist in those places....
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    So how does this Hajnal line bs explains Finland thn?
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  • So how does this Hajnal line bs explains Finland thn?

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  • Apologies for the tabloidy title. This is an otherwise serious post. It is well known that higher rates of cousin marriages - especially the father's brother's daughter (FBD) type that is common in the Arab Muslim world - tends to increase clannishness and depress IQs. It is often discussed in HBD circles. The main focus...
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  • So, this summer’s family reunion is not the journey to riches I had hoped for?
    You got me luvin’ on Assad, at least Christians are safer with him.
    Hey! That’s my team!!!
    Go Assad.

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  • What with demand for Volkswagens soaring, German Chancellor Merkel's decision to let in (literally) countless numbers of newcomers from the Muslim world is being hailed as an economic masterstroke that will counteract the deleterious wage-boosting effects of the number of working-age residents in Germany being otherwise expected to plunge from 49.2 million in 2013 all...
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  • @Reg Cæsar
    These consanguinity bans survive in the Church, but not in the state. Outside of about two dozen US states (thanks to the eugenics movement), first cousins can legally marry everywhere in the world.

    The Church is wiser than the state.

    Outside of about two dozen US states (thanks to the eugenics movement), first cousins can legally marry everywhere in the world.

    Not true. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#Far_East

    In the Far East, South Korea is especially restrictive with bans on marriage out to third cousins, with all couples having the same surname and region of origin having been prohibited from marrying until 1997.[95] Taiwan, North Korea, and the Philippines also prohibit first-cousin marriage.[1][96] It is allowed in Japan, though the incidence has declined in recent years.[16] China has banned it since passing its 1981 Marriage Law although cross-cousin marriage was commonly practiced in China in the past in rural areas.[16][97] An article in China Daily from the 1990s reported on the ban’s implementation in the northeastern province of Liaoning, along with a ban on marriage of the physically and mentally handicapped, all justified on “eugenic” grounds.[97]

    And see the map here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg

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  • @Steve Sailer
    The solution is, of course, moderation in the tradition of Aristotle and Franklin. You don't want to live in an extremely clannish society. But an extremely unclannish country is likely to be exploited by more clannish elements, such as the Bush Dynasty, families of billionaires, and foreigners from more clannish cultures.

    But an extremely unclannish country is likely to be exploited by more clannish elements

    I would also add that an “extremely unclannish” tendency is bad for family-formation, and encourages radical individualism that is inimical to community-building.

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    Then, what about you hbds: do you tend to be innately clannish or not? If clannish, aren’t you to be distrusted? At least, you are suspect of hypocrisy in advocating for the unclannish. If unclannish (which I suspect), how did you manage to adopt a clannish (group-protective) ideology?

    The solution is, of course, moderation in the tradition of Aristotle and Franklin. You don’t want to live in an extremely clannish society. But an extremely unclannish country is likely to be exploited by more clannish elements, such as the Bush Dynasty, families of billionaires, and foreigners from more clannish cultures.
     

     
    I'd tack on the simple concept of "reciprocity". Open unclannish societies, should *never* allow closed clannish\tribal people into their midst. (Basically any people whom will not play by the open society's rules. Even more so anyone people who are endogamous and will specifically maintain themselves as a separate people.)

    Avoiding people who don't offer reciprocity doesn't require any mental gymnastics. It's basic game theory--e.g. prisoner's dilemma. Not doing it sets you up to get screwed.

    Even more so anyone people who are endogamous and will specifically maintain themselves as a separate people…

    Avoiding people who don’t offer reciprocity doesn’t require any mental gymnastics. It’s basic game theory–e.g. prisoner’s dilemma. Not doing it sets you up to get screwed.

    Sharing a common religion helps a great deal in curbing the free rider problem and encouraging positive reciprocity, as does shared military service. And as you allude above, intermarriage helps too. But, the usual caveats apply, specifically, the religion and intermarriages have to be assimilative. In other words, outsiders who join the society have to follow the host religion and assimilate into the native spouse’s norms and culture. The other way around would be colonization by the said outsiders.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    The solution is, of course, moderation in the tradition of Aristotle and Franklin. You don't want to live in an extremely clannish society. But an extremely unclannish country is likely to be exploited by more clannish elements, such as the Bush Dynasty, families of billionaires, and foreigners from more clannish cultures.

    Then, what about you hbds: do you tend to be innately clannish or not? If clannish, aren’t you to be distrusted? At least, you are suspect of hypocrisy in advocating for the unclannish. If unclannish (which I suspect), how did you manage to adopt a clannish (group-protective) ideology?

    The solution is, of course, moderation in the tradition of Aristotle and Franklin. You don’t want to live in an extremely clannish society. But an extremely unclannish country is likely to be exploited by more clannish elements, such as the Bush Dynasty, families of billionaires, and foreigners from more clannish cultures.

    I’d tack on the simple concept of “reciprocity”. Open unclannish societies, should *never* allow closed clannish\tribal people into their midst. (Basically any people whom will not play by the open society’s rules. Even more so anyone people who are endogamous and will specifically maintain themselves as a separate people.)

    Avoiding people who don’t offer reciprocity doesn’t require any mental gymnastics. It’s basic game theory–e.g. prisoner’s dilemma. Not doing it sets you up to get screwed.

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    Even more so anyone people who are endogamous and will specifically maintain themselves as a separate people...

    Avoiding people who don’t offer reciprocity doesn’t require any mental gymnastics. It’s basic game theory–e.g. prisoner’s dilemma. Not doing it sets you up to get screwed.
     
    Sharing a common religion helps a great deal in curbing the free rider problem and encouraging positive reciprocity, as does shared military service. And as you allude above, intermarriage helps too. But, the usual caveats apply, specifically, the religion and intermarriages have to be assimilative. In other words, outsiders who join the society have to follow the host religion and assimilate into the native spouse's norms and culture. The other way around would be colonization by the said outsiders.
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  • @Steve Sailer
    Geographic reality means that everybody is going to be somewhat inbred.

    But it seems that the degree of inbreeding in much of Western Europe and the U.S. is inadequate to generate enough clannishness to avoid exploitation (and even replacement) by the more inbred. It would seem, wouldn’t it, that our degree of inbreeding is immoderately low?

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    Is Merkel really one of those communist politicians, who, after decades of communism, didn’t give a damn about ideology or national loyalty but was really good at re-inventing themselves in whatever way was necessary for others to see whatever they needed to see to let Merkel be their leader? Or maybe Merkel really is a lesbian who sees herself as a citizen of the world?

    Because Merkel seems to epitomize the “let’s just resettle them all here” school, there’s probably a book to be written here…

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  • @Stephen R. Diamond
    Then you would recommend (to a society) a moderate degree of inbreeding?

    Geographic reality means that everybody is going to be somewhat inbred.

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    But it seems that the degree of inbreeding in much of Western Europe and the U.S. is inadequate to generate enough clannishness to avoid exploitation (and even replacement) by the more inbred. It would seem, wouldn't it, that our degree of inbreeding is immoderately low?
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  • @Steve Sailer
    The solution is, of course, moderation in the tradition of Aristotle and Franklin. You don't want to live in an extremely clannish society. But an extremely unclannish country is likely to be exploited by more clannish elements, such as the Bush Dynasty, families of billionaires, and foreigners from more clannish cultures.

    Then you would recommend (to a society) a moderate degree of inbreeding?

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  • @Rifleman

    Occams razor suggests Merkel has the tingles.
     
    Whiskey's Razor suggests that you will "Excuse the Jews and Blame the White women" because that's what you do.

    Merkel's corporate handlers can do the math = Germans WONT reproduce enough workers and consumers and tax payers so they must import them.

    You getting the tingles over the thought of an old ugly White woman being sexually aroused by dark muslim men has nothing to do with the economic - labor/consumer/tax payers - needs of a decrepit Germany.

    Germany could always do to the US what the US did to Germany if they need labor that badly. but something tells me that isn’t the case.

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  • @Anon
    I've always thought that people who were pro-diversity tend to be rather inbred themselves, or rather, 'lacking in genetic diversity,' and their crazed insistence on how terrific outbreeding is, is merely their own genes shrieking for the introduction of more variation before their own offspring die out from sheer feebleness. Mental preciousness and neuroticism is a warning that your genetic lines lack robustness and are going downhill.

    Germans descend from a small number of tribes that were floating around in the Roman days, so the present multi-million population of the German state doesn't have that much of a particularly wide genetic base to it.

    Many people who live in New England happen to have ancestry from a smaller genetic pool than you would think, namely the Puritan families who emigrated from the same areas in England in the 1600s. Their WASP descendants in America kept marrying each other for generation after generation unless they moved out of region, which is why Northeast liberals can be so remarkably alike in their mentality. It's not just culture, it's lack of genetic diversity. Much of this process took place from about 1620 to 1800, a period in which roads were terrible and people rarely traveled away from their local village. Take a rigid Puritan and raise him with today's culture, and you've got a New England liberal.

    According to this notion, those who are anti-diversity should have a more varied and wholesome collection of genes, and they wouldn't see the need for such mass invasions by newcomers. Midwesterners, for example, by moving away from the east coast, met up with and married persons from a wider numbers of breeding enclaves, and they aren't as keen on diversity as New Englanders are.

    Germans descend from a small number of tribes that were floating around in the Roman days, so the present multi-million population of the German state doesn’t have that much of a particularly wide genetic base to it.

    Who ISN’T descended from a small number of tribes floating around somewhere that coalesced into something resembling a people who eventually developed a national consciousness?

    There are 7.5 billion of us already – there were 250 million of us 2 000 years ago. We’re all inbred by those standards. A degree of inbreeding is necessary for the formation of an ethnicity. Go back far enough and there were 10.000 of us left in a bottleneck after a disaster. And the Africans, themselves, while having maintained a small population because of various issues, nevertheless have larger genetic diversity than any one of the peoples outside Africa.

    But, over time, genetic diversity fixes itself through mutations. Look at the lactose tolerant gene, hair colours, eye colours, skin pigmentation. Inbreeding is only a problem if it leads to higher levels of manifestation of deleterious genes and other defects. Other than that, homogeneity has served the Swedes, the Finns and others very well.

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  • The US and UK media insist it is mandated by economic reality. But Merkel says otherwise and there are very good reasons to think economic reality has nothing to do with it. Germany was formerly led by a man who never reproduced but had racial theories which required war. Now Germany is led by a woman who never reproduced, but has racial theories about how to avoid war. Merkel has specifically said that the EU is all that prevents war.

    A fear of WW3 was certainly the explanation for opposition to nuclear power generation in Germany, which culminated in Merkel’s 2011 declaration that Germany would be nuclear free by 2022. Of course that was when Germany was expected to have a rapidly shrinking population. Now that Merkel has decided to import over a million people a year , Germany will certainly not be able to meet its own needs in the future, and will have to import nuclear generated electricity from Czech republic or somewhere. Financial Times: The growing absurdity of German energy policy.

    What is motivating both the anti nuclear and immigration policy is a dread of war. It lies very deep in the German psyche and now they are safely cocooned within friendly states (including Poland now in EC and Nato) they are free to dump any kind of policy with nationalist connotations, leading to them taking mirror image positions to Hitler. Nothing to do with economic /demographic considerations.

    http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/oct/12/bake-off-winner-nadiya-hussain-muslims-britain

    Above is about winner of a competition on Britain’s biggest TV show. Lots about how she and her husband look, but nothing about how they look like siblings of course.

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  • That map is basically: “% of Muslims”. Although the Russian Muslims I guess are not very inbred, which is a good sign.

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  • Strong borders are something that evolves naturally in any place inhabited by humans. The present “migrant crisis” can have two possible outcomes. Europe can close its borders and shut off the flow. Or – in the very long term – it will fill with aliens who will eventually create their own borders to safeguard the countries Europeans handed over to them. Absence of borders is never a permanent state of affairs, but an interlude before which territorial integrity is reasserted.

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  • Pathological altruism, Swedish style:

    Per capita, Sweden has taken in more migrants than any other European country, much more than Germany even. Crime has shot up and most migrants are on welfare. Even so, a plurality of Swedes are asking for more of the same:

    http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/kraftig-forandring-fler-vill-se-okat-flyktingmottagande/

    Refugee-friendly public opinion has strengthened significantly in only six months, according to DN / Ipsos.

    44 percent of respondents believe that Sweden should take more refugees – an increase of 18 percentage points since February.

    Close to one in three Swedes are willing to accept a refugee in their home.

    During 2015, migration and integration issues have become increasingly important in public debate in Sweden. The civil war in Syria and IS terror in the region have displaced millions of people and the number of asylum seekers who have come to Sweden has increased for four consecutive years.

    In February, Ipsos conducted a survey on DN’s behalf on attitudes to immigration and integration. Then, 36 percent said that Sweden should receive fewer refugees than currently. Only 26 percent wanted to receive more refugees at the time.

    Now the situation is reversed.

    When Ipsos repeated the question in September, 44 percent said Sweden should take in more refugees. That is an increase of 18 percentage points.

    - It is not so common to see very strong public opinion changes, this is a big increase, says Nicklas Källebring, analyst at Ipsos.

    At the same time, the number of Swedes who want their country to accept fewer refugees declined from 36 percent to 30 percent.

    On the other hand, I have seen opinion polls that indicate that the number of people planning to vote for the anti-immigration Sweden Democrats is on the rise.

    It’s obvious, isn’t it, that this is a (non-bloody, for now) civil war between goodthinkers and badthinkers and that immigrants are merely the preferred weapon in this war.

    Keeping in mind differences between Sweden and Germany, nonetheless the Swedish poll numbers do not augur well for a quick turnaround in Germany’s immigration policy.

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  • @Anonymous
    Well, it's to one man and one man only you can give thanks for the referendum: Nigel Farage.
    We've all heard Tony Benn's old maxim 'it's all about policies and not personalities', but Farage's single handed determination changed the scene of UK politics.
    Witness Teresa May's speech last week. No Home Secretary in history has made such a strong anti-immigration speech. Compare and contrast to the official line of New Labour a decade ago.
    Speaking of Farage did you see the way his 'truth to power' needling of Francois Hollande, the other week, reduced Hollande to a red-faced ranting, raving, raging lunatic?
    I think it was Farage's line about the euro currency having 'diminished France' hitting a raw nerve.

    Yes, I often watch those videos of Nigel F. speaking truth unto evil, and did see that one. Thought it extremely funny; there is something about Hollande’s specs that makes him look especially absurd. He could be the new Jacques Tati when he loses his current job. Merkel’s face was a joy to behold as well, as though she were caught in some zillion-lumen headlights and knew she was about to get crushed …

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  • @Unzerker

    [“Inbred cultures” =] pretty much any pre-modern culture in the world today, Muslim or not.
     
    Not at all. From wiki:

    Under Roman civil law, which early canon law of the Catholic Church followed, couples were forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity. In the ninth century the church raised the number of prohibited degrees to seven and changed the method by which they were calculated. In 1215 the Fourth Lateran Council made what they believed was a necessary change to canon law reducing the number of prohibited degrees of consanguinity from seven back to four.

    Most cultures define a degree of consanguinity within which sexual interrelationships are regarded as incestuous (the "prohibited degree of kinship")

    These consanguinity bans survive in the Church, but not in the state. Outside of about two dozen US states (thanks to the eugenics movement), first cousins can legally marry everywhere in the world.

    The Church is wiser than the state.

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    Outside of about two dozen US states (thanks to the eugenics movement), first cousins can legally marry everywhere in the world.
     
    Not true. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#Far_East

    In the Far East, South Korea is especially restrictive with bans on marriage out to third cousins, with all couples having the same surname and region of origin having been prohibited from marrying until 1997.[95] Taiwan, North Korea, and the Philippines also prohibit first-cousin marriage.[1][96] It is allowed in Japan, though the incidence has declined in recent years.[16] China has banned it since passing its 1981 Marriage Law although cross-cousin marriage was commonly practiced in China in the past in rural areas.[16][97] An article in China Daily from the 1990s reported on the ban's implementation in the northeastern province of Liaoning, along with a ban on marriage of the physically and mentally handicapped, all justified on "eugenic" grounds.[97]
     
    And see the map here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage#/media/File:CousinMarriageWorld.svg
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  • @Rifleman

    Occams razor suggests Merkel has the tingles.
     
    Whiskey's Razor suggests that you will "Excuse the Jews and Blame the White women" because that's what you do.

    Merkel's corporate handlers can do the math = Germans WONT reproduce enough workers and consumers and tax payers so they must import them.

    You getting the tingles over the thought of an old ugly White woman being sexually aroused by dark muslim men has nothing to do with the economic - labor/consumer/tax payers - needs of a decrepit Germany.

    You getting the tingles over the thought of an old ugly White woman being sexually aroused by dark muslim men…

    Perhaps we could call her Studs Merkel.

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  • @Stubborn in Germany
    As little as a year ago, "open borders for everyone" was the war cry only of extreme-left NGOs like ATAC and radical libertarians.

    Now it is the official policy of the German government.

    By the way, I just learned there is a scholarly treatment of mass migration as a means of coercion:

    Weapons of Mass Migration (2010) by Kelly Greenhill.

    From the blurb:


    In Weapons of Mass Migration, Kelly M. Greenhill offers the first systematic examination of this widely deployed but largely unrecognized instrument of state influence. She shows both how often this unorthodox brand of coercion has been attempted (more than fifty times in the last half century) and how successful it has been (well over half the time). She also tackles the questions of who employs this policy tool, to what ends, and how and why it ever works. Coercers aim to affect target states' behavior by exploiting the existence of competing political interests and groups, Greenhill argues, and by manipulating the costs or risks imposed on target state populations.

    This "coercion by punishment" strategy can be effected in two ways: the first relies on straightforward threats to overwhelm a target's capacity to accommodate a refugee or migrant influx; the second, on a kind of norms-enhanced political blackmail that exploits the existence of legal and normative commitments to those fleeing violence, persecution, or privation.
     

    As of now, there is only one customer review on the Amazon page, by a German who thinks this has all been orchestrated by "the Americans" to "destroy the economy and political stability of the new host country, and to sow the seeds of civil war" in order to "further cement their imperial control".

    Well, I dunno. If nothing else, Germany and Europe are important trading partners for the U.S. Destroying their economies would severely impact U.S. businesses and jobs. Of course, one never knows what schemes are being hatched in the Obama White House, but I am skeptical.

    More likely, in my opinion, is that Turkish President Erdogan decided to utilize the weapon of mass migration for his own goals. Until this summer, he had diligently enforced the integrity of his country's border by preventing Syrian (and transiting Afghan etc.) refugees from emigrating en masse. Opening the floodgates meant putting Europe in a world of hurt, with him holding the power to make it stop -- if his demands were met.

    We know only some of his demands, such as billions in financial aid for Syrian refugees in Turkey and the abolition of visa requirements for Turkey's 70+ million citizens. The EU has now announced that these demands will be met. At a minimum he will also want assurance of no interference as he ratchets up oppression of his country's Kurdish population (whose birth rate is much higher than that of non-Kurdish Turks). It's possible that after he closes the border to Syrians trying to get into Europe, he will launch an even bigger refugee tsunami by making the lives of Turkish Kurds unbearable. The extent of Erdogan's regional superpower ambitions is not known, therefore we do not know the full extent of his demands either.

    In any case he has not yet shut down border crossings by Syrians (fake and real ones) into Europe. Whether this is due to EU bureaucratic bungling and slowness or because he is trying to drive a still harder bargain is not known. My guess is that he is surprised that it took the EU so long to cry uncle and acknowledge that Erdogan holds the keys to the gate.

    What is also unknown is the extent to which Qatar and Saudi Arabia, the two main financiers of Turkey's economic expansion, are influencing Turkish policy in return for making funds available at below-market rate, and what their specific goals in this game of hardball are. One would think that, being major shareholders of European corporations, they do not wish to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs -- but the lure of islamizing Europe may be a powerful temptation.

    P.S.: A crazy thought, maybe Merkel has known all along what Erdogan's plan is and by holding off on giving in to his demands she is trying to demonstrate Germany's resistance to blackmail? As in, "we can take whatever you throw at us and remain standing"? To be honest, I don't believe it myself. Merkel is simply too stupid for Machiavellian statecraft.

    By the way, I just learned there is a scholarly treatment of mass migration as a means of coercion:

    Weapons of Mass Migration (2010) by Kelly Greenhill.

    Three reviews of the book plus author’s response here: https://issforum.org/roundtables/5-3-weapons-mass-migration

    Regardless of weaknesses that the book may have, it is clear to me that this is the premier reference work on “coercive engineered migration”. Strange that it has hardly been mentioned at all in the mainstream media. Erdogan’s advisors, however, probably know it by heart.

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  • @Anon7
    On a nepotism-related topic, the Imam of Dearborn, Michigan's Islamic Center of America mosque has left, leveling a number of charges against the mosque's board.

    In his remarks last month, Al-Qazwini blasted the board, saying it lacked term limits, promoted nepotism, had no female members, and failed to discipline those who acted improperly. Al-Qazwini, who is of Iraqi descent, and his supporters also say the board wanted to limit the mosque membership to Lebanese-Americans...

    But Al-Qazwini said his were not personal demands, but demands made by the community looking for reform. He criticized the center for having board members who serve for life and hiring employees who are board members.

    "Becoming a board member for life, no power on earth can remove him — Is this Islamic? Is this democratic? Is this American?" Al-Qazwini said.

    "It doesn't make no sense to import the Saudi style of governance to the Islamic Center of America," he added. "We establish another monarchy, where a board member became a board member for life. Before dying, he would bring his son to be his heir, to take his seat."

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2015/06/05/imam-qazwini-resigns-dearborn-mosque/28581129/

     

    That article touches on an issue within immigrant Muslim communities that seldom if ever receives any press, namely the tribalism and discrimination between Muslims.

    The Ummah tries to claim it is a anti-racist faith but the reality is that Muslim countries are far more xenophobic and racist than the Anglo-sphere. I’ve heard South Asians saying they were discriminated against by Arabs at mosques and Black American Muslims (no, not the NOI types, but regular mainstream Islam) say they faced racism from Pakistanis.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous Nephew
    "Unfortunately, the big fat lies from big business have only just started."

    If the Scottish independence referendum is any guide, there'll be a tsunami of lies. Literally every day in the media, one or other company boss was saying things like "of course in the event of a Yes vote we would have to consider the position of our investments in Scotland - the continued existence of our (insert industrial plant name) facility would be thrown into doubt".

    It was like a continual drumbeat, getting louder and louder (and the firms larger and larger) as the referendum day approached. It was obviously co-ordinated and the BBC were happy to amplify.

    The other shitty tactic is for some big corporate executive to claim that in the event of the UK freeing itself of the EU, then it will ‘cost’ the ‘average family’ ’2 or 3 or x number of thousands of pounds’ per annum.
    From what methodology they plucked these random numbers from the air is never specified.
    By basic basic elementary Adam Smith free trade theory, if the EU penalizes British trade they will only hurt themselves as much as they hurt Britain, even the more so as they run huge, persistent trade surpluses with Britain.
    And there is the not inconsequential fact that British taxpayers per a nett £8 billion into EU coffers every year.

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  • @Anonymous
    Britain *MUST* get out of the EU in the forthcoming referendum.

    Unfortunately, the big fat lies from big business have only just started. I am severely pessimistic that the 'great British public' will have the brains or indeed balls to vote to get out.

    “Unfortunately, the big fat lies from big business have only just started.”

    If the Scottish independence referendum is any guide, there’ll be a tsunami of lies. Literally every day in the media, one or other company boss was saying things like “of course in the event of a Yes vote we would have to consider the position of our investments in Scotland – the continued existence of our (insert industrial plant name) facility would be thrown into doubt“.

    It was like a continual drumbeat, getting louder and louder (and the firms larger and larger) as the referendum day approached. It was obviously co-ordinated and the BBC were happy to amplify.

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    The other shitty tactic is for some big corporate executive to claim that in the event of the UK freeing itself of the EU, then it will 'cost' the 'average family' '2 or 3 or x number of thousands of pounds' per annum.
    From what methodology they plucked these random numbers from the air is never specified.
    By basic basic elementary Adam Smith free trade theory, if the EU penalizes British trade they will only hurt themselves as much as they hurt Britain, even the more so as they run huge, persistent trade surpluses with Britain.
    And there is the not inconsequential fact that British taxpayers per a nett £8 billion into EU coffers every year.
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  • Andrew Hammel has a new blog devoted to Merkel’s Boner.

    http://www.germanimmigration.eu/

    @anon – “No Home Secretary in history has made such a strong anti-immigration speech”

    If only I could believe a word she says.

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  • @M_Young
    I recently took Lufthansa on a return flight to the US. In the inflight magazine, the CEO boasted that the company had received 130,000 applications for 2000 internships, only 300 oif which were skilled ground positions as opposed to cabin crew.

    Hard to believe that Germany has a labor shortage.

    There’s no such thing as a “labor shortage” in an economy the size of Germany. This is one of the fairly basic insights of economics. A “shortage” in the real world just means that “prices are higher than I would like”, in this case the price being wages.

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  • @Sunbeam
    My guess would be you are one of the high castes. Would you really be that tuned into anecdotal data from down the social structure?

    As an aside... social structures and all these castes is pretty mystifying to westerners, unless they've made a study of this. In the old days the CW you could expect an American, at least, to say India had four castes:

    Brahmins - Religious/Brainy guys
    Kshatriyas - Warrior guys
    Some guys who weren't interesting enough to remember. They were some kind of merchant guys.
    Untouchable guys that handled corpses and cleaned sewers.

    But seeing the odd discussion by Indians (on this site mainly) it looks like it was a lot more complicated.

    My social circle is probably not representative of wider society, but nonetheless, there is a major taboo (at least within my social circle) against marriage within the Gotra (patrilineal clan; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotra).

    Presumably this may not hold in wider society where I come from. The extent mentioned in the reference, if accurate seems shockingly high.

    As an aside, persistent inbreeding will eventually weed out the deleterious mutations. Many lab strains of mice are thoroughly inbred to enable easy genetic analysis. Icelanders also seem to have crossed this threshold.

    Not much good for continued evolution though.

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    @Thomas Fuller
    The In campaign has made a singularly inept start and is fronted by a bunch of deadbeats, such as Gordon Brown and John Major (former prime ministers whose administrations wrought chaos and who were kicked out by an angry electorate). Nonetheless I predict that the result of the referendum will be as follows: 51% In, 49% Out.

    As Stalin apparently never said, "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes".

    If Britain were ever allowed to leave the EU the whole thing would collapse. I'm surprised the referendum has even got this far.

    Well, it’s to one man and one man only you can give thanks for the referendum: Nigel Farage.
    We’ve all heard Tony Benn’s old maxim ‘it’s all about policies and not personalities’, but Farage’s single handed determination changed the scene of UK politics.
    Witness Teresa May’s speech last week. No Home Secretary in history has made such a strong anti-immigration speech. Compare and contrast to the official line of New Labour a decade ago.
    Speaking of Farage did you see the way his ‘truth to power’ needling of Francois Hollande, the other week, reduced Hollande to a red-faced ranting, raving, raging lunatic?
    I think it was Farage’s line about the euro currency having ‘diminished France’ hitting a raw nerve.

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    Yes, I often watch those videos of Nigel F. speaking truth unto evil, and did see that one. Thought it extremely funny; there is something about Hollande's specs that makes him look especially absurd. He could be the new Jacques Tati when he loses his current job. Merkel's face was a joy to behold as well, as though she were caught in some zillion-lumen headlights and knew she was about to get crushed ...
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  • @Joe Magarac
    "Inbred cultures" == Muslim cultures of course (in this case).

    But also pretty much any pre-modern culture in the world today, Muslim or not.

    [“Inbred cultures” =] pretty much any pre-modern culture in the world today, Muslim or not.

    Not at all. From wiki:

    Under Roman civil law, which early canon law of the Catholic Church followed, couples were forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity. In the ninth century the church raised the number of prohibited degrees to seven and changed the method by which they were calculated. In 1215 the Fourth Lateran Council made what they believed was a necessary change to canon law reducing the number of prohibited degrees of consanguinity from seven back to four.

    Most cultures define a degree of consanguinity within which sexual interrelationships are regarded as incestuous (the “prohibited degree of kinship”)

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    These consanguinity bans survive in the Church, but not in the state. Outside of about two dozen US states (thanks to the eugenics movement), first cousins can legally marry everywhere in the world.

    The Church is wiser than the state.
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  • The explanation needn’t run much deeper than that inbreeding is associated with high fertility. Having lots of youths in the first place makes it much easier to export lots of them to Germany.

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  • @e
    Not even the Atlantic buys it, for several reasons:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/no-scientists-have-not-found-the-gay-gene/410059/

    We’re going to need Greg Cochran’s opinion or it didn’t happen.

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  • @Whiskey
    Occams razor suggests Merkel has the tingles. One need not look further. Ugly eomen in power tend to punish their people for failing to make the ugly women beautiful. Imagine Hillarys tingles. Shudder.

    Occams razor suggests Merkel has the tingles.

    Whiskey’s Razor suggests that you will “Excuse the Jews and Blame the White women” because that’s what you do.

    Merkel’s corporate handlers can do the math = Germans WONT reproduce enough workers and consumers and tax payers so they must import them.

    You getting the tingles over the thought of an old ugly White woman being sexually aroused by dark muslim men has nothing to do with the economic – labor/consumer/tax payers – needs of a decrepit Germany.

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    You getting the tingles over the thought of an old ugly White woman being sexually aroused by dark muslim men…
     
    Perhaps we could call her Studs Merkel.
    , @AnAnon
    Germany could always do to the US what the US did to Germany if they need labor that badly. but something tells me that isn't the case.
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  • @Tark Marg
    I have to raise doubts about the data, at least the raw percentages based on the legend in the map. In the map, the state in India I'm from is colored reddish, either between 20-29 or 30-39%.

    This is thoroughly inconsistent with my anecdotal experience; of the several dozen married couples I know well enough to know if they're cousins, I can't think of more than one consanguineous couple, who're second cousins.

    It may well be that cousin marriage is nonetheless more prevalent than in Europe, but I have a hard time accepting these figures; do they say what the source of the figures is?

    My guess would be you are one of the high castes. Would you really be that tuned into anecdotal data from down the social structure?

    As an aside… social structures and all these castes is pretty mystifying to westerners, unless they’ve made a study of this. In the old days the CW you could expect an American, at least, to say India had four castes:

    Brahmins – Religious/Brainy guys
    Kshatriyas – Warrior guys
    Some guys who weren’t interesting enough to remember. They were some kind of merchant guys.
    Untouchable guys that handled corpses and cleaned sewers.

    But seeing the odd discussion by Indians (on this site mainly) it looks like it was a lot more complicated.

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    My social circle is probably not representative of wider society, but nonetheless, there is a major taboo (at least within my social circle) against marriage within the Gotra (patrilineal clan; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotra).

    Presumably this may not hold in wider society where I come from. The extent mentioned in the reference, if accurate seems shockingly high.

    As an aside, persistent inbreeding will eventually weed out the deleterious mutations. Many lab strains of mice are thoroughly inbred to enable easy genetic analysis. Icelanders also seem to have crossed this threshold.

    Not much good for continued evolution though.
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  • @Thomas Fuller
    The In campaign has made a singularly inept start and is fronted by a bunch of deadbeats, such as Gordon Brown and John Major (former prime ministers whose administrations wrought chaos and who were kicked out by an angry electorate). Nonetheless I predict that the result of the referendum will be as follows: 51% In, 49% Out.

    As Stalin apparently never said, "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes".

    If Britain were ever allowed to leave the EU the whole thing would collapse. I'm surprised the referendum has even got this far.

    I don’t understand the official name for the In campaign, Strongerin (yes, like that, all one word). What are they trying to get you to think of, Slytherin?

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  • I have to raise doubts about the data, at least the raw percentages based on the legend in the map. In the map, the state in India I’m from is colored reddish, either between 20-29 or 30-39%.

    This is thoroughly inconsistent with my anecdotal experience; of the several dozen married couples I know well enough to know if they’re cousins, I can’t think of more than one consanguineous couple, who’re second cousins.

    It may well be that cousin marriage is nonetheless more prevalent than in Europe, but I have a hard time accepting these figures; do they say what the source of the figures is?

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    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    My guess would be you are one of the high castes. Would you really be that tuned into anecdotal data from down the social structure?

    As an aside... social structures and all these castes is pretty mystifying to westerners, unless they've made a study of this. In the old days the CW you could expect an American, at least, to say India had four castes:

    Brahmins - Religious/Brainy guys
    Kshatriyas - Warrior guys
    Some guys who weren't interesting enough to remember. They were some kind of merchant guys.
    Untouchable guys that handled corpses and cleaned sewers.

    But seeing the odd discussion by Indians (on this site mainly) it looks like it was a lot more complicated.
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  • @Anonymous
    Britain *MUST* get out of the EU in the forthcoming referendum.

    Unfortunately, the big fat lies from big business have only just started. I am severely pessimistic that the 'great British public' will have the brains or indeed balls to vote to get out.

    The In campaign has made a singularly inept start and is fronted by a bunch of deadbeats, such as Gordon Brown and John Major (former prime ministers whose administrations wrought chaos and who were kicked out by an angry electorate). Nonetheless I predict that the result of the referendum will be as follows: 51% In, 49% Out.

    As Stalin apparently never said, “It’s not the people who vote that count. It’s the people who count the votes”.

    If Britain were ever allowed to leave the EU the whole thing would collapse. I’m surprised the referendum has even got this far.

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    I don't understand the official name for the In campaign, Strongerin (yes, like that, all one word). What are they trying to get you to think of, Slytherin?
    , @Anonymous
    Well, it's to one man and one man only you can give thanks for the referendum: Nigel Farage.
    We've all heard Tony Benn's old maxim 'it's all about policies and not personalities', but Farage's single handed determination changed the scene of UK politics.
    Witness Teresa May's speech last week. No Home Secretary in history has made such a strong anti-immigration speech. Compare and contrast to the official line of New Labour a decade ago.
    Speaking of Farage did you see the way his 'truth to power' needling of Francois Hollande, the other week, reduced Hollande to a red-faced ranting, raving, raging lunatic?
    I think it was Farage's line about the euro currency having 'diminished France' hitting a raw nerve.
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  • @5371
    It's a great mistake to make data on consanguinity your go-to source for all explanation of social variables, as even a cursory perusal of the map will tell you.

    But it’s a bigger mistake to be oblivious to the existence of the data on cousin marriage, as have been 99.99999% of the articles published on the “migrant crisis.”

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  • @Anon
    I've always thought that people who were pro-diversity tend to be rather inbred themselves, or rather, 'lacking in genetic diversity,' and their crazed insistence on how terrific outbreeding is, is merely their own genes shrieking for the introduction of more variation before their own offspring die out from sheer feebleness. Mental preciousness and neuroticism is a warning that your genetic lines lack robustness and are going downhill.

    Germans descend from a small number of tribes that were floating around in the Roman days, so the present multi-million population of the German state doesn't have that much of a particularly wide genetic base to it.

    Many people who live in New England happen to have ancestry from a smaller genetic pool than you would think, namely the Puritan families who emigrated from the same areas in England in the 1600s. Their WASP descendants in America kept marrying each other for generation after generation unless they moved out of region, which is why Northeast liberals can be so remarkably alike in their mentality. It's not just culture, it's lack of genetic diversity. Much of this process took place from about 1620 to 1800, a period in which roads were terrible and people rarely traveled away from their local village. Take a rigid Puritan and raise him with today's culture, and you've got a New England liberal.

    According to this notion, those who are anti-diversity should have a more varied and wholesome collection of genes, and they wouldn't see the need for such mass invasions by newcomers. Midwesterners, for example, by moving away from the east coast, met up with and married persons from a wider numbers of breeding enclaves, and they aren't as keen on diversity as New Englanders are.

    I see your point, “Take a rigid Puritan and raise him with today’s culture.”

    But are there rigid Puritan New Englanders (inbred, as said) across the US? Doubt. German farming families and other newcomers must have brought something genetically new to the Midwest.

    The Western political crisis du jour is due to Neo-cons not even knowing (not least recognising) Steve’s article in the American Conservative.

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  • It’s a great mistake to make data on consanguinity your go-to source for all explanation of social variables, as even a cursory perusal of the map will tell you.

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    But it's a bigger mistake to be oblivious to the existence of the data on cousin marriage, as have been 99.99999% of the articles published on the "migrant crisis."
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  • @Anon
    I've always thought that people who were pro-diversity tend to be rather inbred themselves, or rather, 'lacking in genetic diversity,' and their crazed insistence on how terrific outbreeding is, is merely their own genes shrieking for the introduction of more variation before their own offspring die out from sheer feebleness. Mental preciousness and neuroticism is a warning that your genetic lines lack robustness and are going downhill.

    Germans descend from a small number of tribes that were floating around in the Roman days, so the present multi-million population of the German state doesn't have that much of a particularly wide genetic base to it.

    Many people who live in New England happen to have ancestry from a smaller genetic pool than you would think, namely the Puritan families who emigrated from the same areas in England in the 1600s. Their WASP descendants in America kept marrying each other for generation after generation unless they moved out of region, which is why Northeast liberals can be so remarkably alike in their mentality. It's not just culture, it's lack of genetic diversity. Much of this process took place from about 1620 to 1800, a period in which roads were terrible and people rarely traveled away from their local village. Take a rigid Puritan and raise him with today's culture, and you've got a New England liberal.

    According to this notion, those who are anti-diversity should have a more varied and wholesome collection of genes, and they wouldn't see the need for such mass invasions by newcomers. Midwesterners, for example, by moving away from the east coast, met up with and married persons from a wider numbers of breeding enclaves, and they aren't as keen on diversity as New Englanders are.

    “so the present multi-million population of the German state doesn’t have that much of a particularly wide genetic base to it.”

    No.

    “Many people who live in New England happen to have ancestry from a smaller genetic pool than you would think, namely the Puritan families who emigrated from the same areas in England in the 1600s”

    No. Present-day inhabitants of New England are overwhelmingly descended from 19th-century and later immigrants.

    “Take a rigid Puritan and raise him with today’s culture, and you’ve got a New England liberal.”

    Which explains perfectly why Protestant New Englanders still vote to the right of the Catholics and Jews of New England.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    The solution is, of course, moderation in the tradition of Aristotle and Franklin. You don't want to live in an extremely clannish society. But an extremely unclannish country is likely to be exploited by more clannish elements, such as the Bush Dynasty, families of billionaires, and foreigners from more clannish cultures.

    I’m sure game theory and evo-bio have a great deal to say about this.
    Think of EO Wilson and wasp nests.

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  • @Stubborn in Germany
    As little as a year ago, "open borders for everyone" was the war cry only of extreme-left NGOs like ATAC and radical libertarians.

    Now it is the official policy of the German government.

    By the way, I just learned there is a scholarly treatment of mass migration as a means of coercion:

    Weapons of Mass Migration (2010) by Kelly Greenhill.

    From the blurb:


    In Weapons of Mass Migration, Kelly M. Greenhill offers the first systematic examination of this widely deployed but largely unrecognized instrument of state influence. She shows both how often this unorthodox brand of coercion has been attempted (more than fifty times in the last half century) and how successful it has been (well over half the time). She also tackles the questions of who employs this policy tool, to what ends, and how and why it ever works. Coercers aim to affect target states' behavior by exploiting the existence of competing political interests and groups, Greenhill argues, and by manipulating the costs or risks imposed on target state populations.

    This "coercion by punishment" strategy can be effected in two ways: the first relies on straightforward threats to overwhelm a target's capacity to accommodate a refugee or migrant influx; the second, on a kind of norms-enhanced political blackmail that exploits the existence of legal and normative commitments to those fleeing violence, persecution, or privation.
     

    As of now, there is only one customer review on the Amazon page, by a German who thinks this has all been orchestrated by "the Americans" to "destroy the economy and political stability of the new host country, and to sow the seeds of civil war" in order to "further cement their imperial control".

    Well, I dunno. If nothing else, Germany and Europe are important trading partners for the U.S. Destroying their economies would severely impact U.S. businesses and jobs. Of course, one never knows what schemes are being hatched in the Obama White House, but I am skeptical.

    More likely, in my opinion, is that Turkish President Erdogan decided to utilize the weapon of mass migration for his own goals. Until this summer, he had diligently enforced the integrity of his country's border by preventing Syrian (and transiting Afghan etc.) refugees from emigrating en masse. Opening the floodgates meant putting Europe in a world of hurt, with him holding the power to make it stop -- if his demands were met.

    We know only some of his demands, such as billions in financial aid for Syrian refugees in Turkey and the abolition of visa requirements for Turkey's 70+ million citizens. The EU has now announced that these demands will be met. At a minimum he will also want assurance of no interference as he ratchets up oppression of his country's Kurdish population (whose birth rate is much higher than that of non-Kurdish Turks). It's possible that after he closes the border to Syrians trying to get into Europe, he will launch an even bigger refugee tsunami by making the lives of Turkish Kurds unbearable. The extent of Erdogan's regional superpower ambitions is not known, therefore we do not know the full extent of his demands either.

    In any case he has not yet shut down border crossings by Syrians (fake and real ones) into Europe. Whether this is due to EU bureaucratic bungling and slowness or because he is trying to drive a still harder bargain is not known. My guess is that he is surprised that it took the EU so long to cry uncle and acknowledge that Erdogan holds the keys to the gate.

    What is also unknown is the extent to which Qatar and Saudi Arabia, the two main financiers of Turkey's economic expansion, are influencing Turkish policy in return for making funds available at below-market rate, and what their specific goals in this game of hardball are. One would think that, being major shareholders of European corporations, they do not wish to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs -- but the lure of islamizing Europe may be a powerful temptation.

    P.S.: A crazy thought, maybe Merkel has known all along what Erdogan's plan is and by holding off on giving in to his demands she is trying to demonstrate Germany's resistance to blackmail? As in, "we can take whatever you throw at us and remain standing"? To be honest, I don't believe it myself. Merkel is simply too stupid for Machiavellian statecraft.

    Britain *MUST* get out of the EU in the forthcoming referendum.

    Unfortunately, the big fat lies from big business have only just started. I am severely pessimistic that the ‘great British public’ will have the brains or indeed balls to vote to get out.

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    The In campaign has made a singularly inept start and is fronted by a bunch of deadbeats, such as Gordon Brown and John Major (former prime ministers whose administrations wrought chaos and who were kicked out by an angry electorate). Nonetheless I predict that the result of the referendum will be as follows: 51% In, 49% Out.

    As Stalin apparently never said, "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes".

    If Britain were ever allowed to leave the EU the whole thing would collapse. I'm surprised the referendum has even got this far.
    , @Anonymous Nephew
    "Unfortunately, the big fat lies from big business have only just started."

    If the Scottish independence referendum is any guide, there'll be a tsunami of lies. Literally every day in the media, one or other company boss was saying things like "of course in the event of a Yes vote we would have to consider the position of our investments in Scotland - the continued existence of our (insert industrial plant name) facility would be thrown into doubt".

    It was like a continual drumbeat, getting louder and louder (and the firms larger and larger) as the referendum day approached. It was obviously co-ordinated and the BBC were happy to amplify.
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  • @Stephen R. Diamond
    Germany is allowing mass migration because Germany itself is not clannish. (That's presumably why they are so inclined to "empathize" with folks outside their clan.) On the other hand, the Eastern European states, more clannish than Germany, are apt to resist migration - precisely because they're clannish. (Is not universalism the ultimate in anticlannish?) Presumably (perhaps I have this wrong) conservatives generally tend to be more clannish than Western liberals: this explains why their loyalty (as you explain in a post on Haidt) is more to their immediate circle.

    Then, what about you hbds: do you tend to be innately clannish or not? If clannish, aren't you to be distrusted? At least, you are suspect of hypocrisy in advocating for the unclannish. If unclannish (which I suspect), how did you manage to adopt a clannish (group-protective) ideology?

    The solution is, of course, moderation in the tradition of Aristotle and Franklin. You don’t want to live in an extremely clannish society. But an extremely unclannish country is likely to be exploited by more clannish elements, such as the Bush Dynasty, families of billionaires, and foreigners from more clannish cultures.

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    I'm sure game theory and evo-bio have a great deal to say about this.
    Think of EO Wilson and wasp nests.
    , @Stephen R. Diamond
    Then you would recommend (to a society) a moderate degree of inbreeding?
    , @AnotherDad

    Then, what about you hbds: do you tend to be innately clannish or not? If clannish, aren’t you to be distrusted? At least, you are suspect of hypocrisy in advocating for the unclannish. If unclannish (which I suspect), how did you manage to adopt a clannish (group-protective) ideology?

    The solution is, of course, moderation in the tradition of Aristotle and Franklin. You don’t want to live in an extremely clannish society. But an extremely unclannish country is likely to be exploited by more clannish elements, such as the Bush Dynasty, families of billionaires, and foreigners from more clannish cultures.
     

     
    I'd tack on the simple concept of "reciprocity". Open unclannish societies, should *never* allow closed clannish\tribal people into their midst. (Basically any people whom will not play by the open society's rules. Even more so anyone people who are endogamous and will specifically maintain themselves as a separate people.)

    Avoiding people who don't offer reciprocity doesn't require any mental gymnastics. It's basic game theory--e.g. prisoner's dilemma. Not doing it sets you up to get screwed.
    , @Twinkie

    But an extremely unclannish country is likely to be exploited by more clannish elements
     
    I would also add that an "extremely unclannish" tendency is bad for family-formation, and encourages radical individualism that is inimical to community-building.
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  • @Stubborn in Germany
    As little as a year ago, "open borders for everyone" was the war cry only of extreme-left NGOs like ATAC and radical libertarians.

    Now it is the official policy of the German government.

    By the way, I just learned there is a scholarly treatment of mass migration as a means of coercion:

    Weapons of Mass Migration (2010) by Kelly Greenhill.

    From the blurb:


    In Weapons of Mass Migration, Kelly M. Greenhill offers the first systematic examination of this widely deployed but largely unrecognized instrument of state influence. She shows both how often this unorthodox brand of coercion has been attempted (more than fifty times in the last half century) and how successful it has been (well over half the time). She also tackles the questions of who employs this policy tool, to what ends, and how and why it ever works. Coercers aim to affect target states' behavior by exploiting the existence of competing political interests and groups, Greenhill argues, and by manipulating the costs or risks imposed on target state populations.

    This "coercion by punishment" strategy can be effected in two ways: the first relies on straightforward threats to overwhelm a target's capacity to accommodate a refugee or migrant influx; the second, on a kind of norms-enhanced political blackmail that exploits the existence of legal and normative commitments to those fleeing violence, persecution, or privation.
     

    As of now, there is only one customer review on the Amazon page, by a German who thinks this has all been orchestrated by "the Americans" to "destroy the economy and political stability of the new host country, and to sow the seeds of civil war" in order to "further cement their imperial control".

    Well, I dunno. If nothing else, Germany and Europe are important trading partners for the U.S. Destroying their economies would severely impact U.S. businesses and jobs. Of course, one never knows what schemes are being hatched in the Obama White House, but I am skeptical.

    More likely, in my opinion, is that Turkish President Erdogan decided to utilize the weapon of mass migration for his own goals. Until this summer, he had diligently enforced the integrity of his country's border by preventing Syrian (and transiting Afghan etc.) refugees from emigrating en masse. Opening the floodgates meant putting Europe in a world of hurt, with him holding the power to make it stop -- if his demands were met.

    We know only some of his demands, such as billions in financial aid for Syrian refugees in Turkey and the abolition of visa requirements for Turkey's 70+ million citizens. The EU has now announced that these demands will be met. At a minimum he will also want assurance of no interference as he ratchets up oppression of his country's Kurdish population (whose birth rate is much higher than that of non-Kurdish Turks). It's possible that after he closes the border to Syrians trying to get into Europe, he will launch an even bigger refugee tsunami by making the lives of Turkish Kurds unbearable. The extent of Erdogan's regional superpower ambitions is not known, therefore we do not know the full extent of his demands either.

    In any case he has not yet shut down border crossings by Syrians (fake and real ones) into Europe. Whether this is due to EU bureaucratic bungling and slowness or because he is trying to drive a still harder bargain is not known. My guess is that he is surprised that it took the EU so long to cry uncle and acknowledge that Erdogan holds the keys to the gate.

    What is also unknown is the extent to which Qatar and Saudi Arabia, the two main financiers of Turkey's economic expansion, are influencing Turkish policy in return for making funds available at below-market rate, and what their specific goals in this game of hardball are. One would think that, being major shareholders of European corporations, they do not wish to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs -- but the lure of islamizing Europe may be a powerful temptation.

    P.S.: A crazy thought, maybe Merkel has known all along what Erdogan's plan is and by holding off on giving in to his demands she is trying to demonstrate Germany's resistance to blackmail? As in, "we can take whatever you throw at us and remain standing"? To be honest, I don't believe it myself. Merkel is simply too stupid for Machiavellian statecraft.

    The last thing Europe’s elite want is for the Islamic tsunami to stop. Maybe Erdogan wasn’t clever enough to realize he would be doing them a priceless favor?

    They’ve all been dreaming about this glorious day since their college years, which featured Lennon’s Imagine as a permanent looping soundtrack. If they can achieve the end of Western Civilization for everyone but themselves and their comfortable, nearly-spent lives they can all die happily with permanent erections.

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  • @Anon
    I've always thought that people who were pro-diversity tend to be rather inbred themselves, or rather, 'lacking in genetic diversity,' and their crazed insistence on how terrific outbreeding is, is merely their own genes shrieking for the introduction of more variation before their own offspring die out from sheer feebleness. Mental preciousness and neuroticism is a warning that your genetic lines lack robustness and are going downhill.

    Germans descend from a small number of tribes that were floating around in the Roman days, so the present multi-million population of the German state doesn't have that much of a particularly wide genetic base to it.

    Many people who live in New England happen to have ancestry from a smaller genetic pool than you would think, namely the Puritan families who emigrated from the same areas in England in the 1600s. Their WASP descendants in America kept marrying each other for generation after generation unless they moved out of region, which is why Northeast liberals can be so remarkably alike in their mentality. It's not just culture, it's lack of genetic diversity. Much of this process took place from about 1620 to 1800, a period in which roads were terrible and people rarely traveled away from their local village. Take a rigid Puritan and raise him with today's culture, and you've got a New England liberal.

    According to this notion, those who are anti-diversity should have a more varied and wholesome collection of genes, and they wouldn't see the need for such mass invasions by newcomers. Midwesterners, for example, by moving away from the east coast, met up with and married persons from a wider numbers of breeding enclaves, and they aren't as keen on diversity as New Englanders are.

    Phenotypic data, or it didn’t happen.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Of course, one long term effect of all this consanguinity is that once these ‘migrant’ populations are firmly esconced in Germany and the rest of Europe, they will invite in the entirety of their extended clans from ‘back home’ as spouses.
    Entire regions – and we talk about Pakistan we are talking of millions and millions – will completely depopulate and move, en masse, to Europe. Having a spouse in Germany is a marriage bargainer beyond compare. Eventually, bit by bit, little by little, whole villages, districts, counties, provinces, states etc will move to Europe one spouse at a time.

    Mark my words.

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  • @Thrasymachus
    They come from Moslem countries, the inbreeding being only incidental to that. Polygamy is not, and mass youth unemployment is not. A young man has limited prospects for marriage and employment, and if he has none he can't be any worse off in Europe.

    I read somewhere that Islamic laws regarding inheritance of property promote inbreeding in muslim societies. According to the Koran, daughters are entitled to half as much property as sons. Perversely, allowing women to inherit property encouraged inbreeding with the goal of “keeping the wealth in the family”. I can’t provide a reference, but here is a link describing islamic inheritance laws.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_inheritance_jurisprudence

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  • @Thrasymachus
    They come from Moslem countries, the inbreeding being only incidental to that. Polygamy is not, and mass youth unemployment is not. A young man has limited prospects for marriage and employment, and if he has none he can't be any worse off in Europe.

    I read somewhere that Islamic laws regarding how property is inherited promoted inbreeding in muslim societies. According to the Koran, daughters are entitled to half as much property as sons, but this was a step up from previous customs in the middle east. Perversely, this encouraged families to promote consanguinity to keep the wealth in the family. I can’t provide a reference, but here is a link describing islamic inheritance laws.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_inheritance_jurisprudence

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  • Germany is allowing mass migration because Germany itself is not clannish. (That’s presumably why they are so inclined to “empathize” with folks outside their clan.) On the other hand, the Eastern European states, more clannish than Germany, are apt to resist migration – precisely because they’re clannish. (Is not universalism the ultimate in anticlannish?) Presumably (perhaps I have this wrong) conservatives generally tend to be more clannish than Western liberals: this explains why their loyalty (as you explain in a post on Haidt) is more to their immediate circle.

    Then, what about you hbds: do you tend to be innately clannish or not? If clannish, aren’t you to be distrusted? At least, you are suspect of hypocrisy in advocating for the unclannish. If unclannish (which I suspect), how did you manage to adopt a clannish (group-protective) ideology?

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    The solution is, of course, moderation in the tradition of Aristotle and Franklin. You don't want to live in an extremely clannish society. But an extremely unclannish country is likely to be exploited by more clannish elements, such as the Bush Dynasty, families of billionaires, and foreigners from more clannish cultures.
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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve always thought that people who were pro-diversity tend to be rather inbred themselves, or rather, ‘lacking in genetic diversity,’ and their crazed insistence on how terrific outbreeding is, is merely their own genes shrieking for the introduction of more variation before their own offspring die out from sheer feebleness. Mental preciousness and neuroticism is a warning that your genetic lines lack robustness and are going downhill.

    Germans descend from a small number of tribes that were floating around in the Roman days, so the present multi-million population of the German state doesn’t have that much of a particularly wide genetic base to it.

    Many people who live in New England happen to have ancestry from a smaller genetic pool than you would think, namely the Puritan families who emigrated from the same areas in England in the 1600s. Their WASP descendants in America kept marrying each other for generation after generation unless they moved out of region, which is why Northeast liberals can be so remarkably alike in their mentality. It’s not just culture, it’s lack of genetic diversity. Much of this process took place from about 1620 to 1800, a period in which roads were terrible and people rarely traveled away from their local village. Take a rigid Puritan and raise him with today’s culture, and you’ve got a New England liberal.

    According to this notion, those who are anti-diversity should have a more varied and wholesome collection of genes, and they wouldn’t see the need for such mass invasions by newcomers. Midwesterners, for example, by moving away from the east coast, met up with and married persons from a wider numbers of breeding enclaves, and they aren’t as keen on diversity as New Englanders are.

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    Phenotypic data, or it didn't happen.
    , @n/a
    "so the present multi-million population of the German state doesn’t have that much of a particularly wide genetic base to it."

    No.


    "Many people who live in New England happen to have ancestry from a smaller genetic pool than you would think, namely the Puritan families who emigrated from the same areas in England in the 1600s"

    No. Present-day inhabitants of New England are overwhelmingly descended from 19th-century and later immigrants.


    "Take a rigid Puritan and raise him with today’s culture, and you’ve got a New England liberal."

    Which explains perfectly why Protestant New Englanders still vote to the right of the Catholics and Jews of New England.
    , @Studley
    I see your point, "Take a rigid Puritan and raise him with today's culture."

    But are there rigid Puritan New Englanders (inbred, as said) across the US? Doubt. German farming families and other newcomers must have brought something genetically new to the Midwest.

    The Western political crisis du jour is due to Neo-cons not even knowing (not least recognising) Steve's article in the American Conservative.
    , @Romanian

    Germans descend from a small number of tribes that were floating around in the Roman days, so the present multi-million population of the German state doesn’t have that much of a particularly wide genetic base to it.
     
    Who ISN'T descended from a small number of tribes floating around somewhere that coalesced into something resembling a people who eventually developed a national consciousness?

    There are 7.5 billion of us already - there were 250 million of us 2 000 years ago. We're all inbred by those standards. A degree of inbreeding is necessary for the formation of an ethnicity. Go back far enough and there were 10.000 of us left in a bottleneck after a disaster. And the Africans, themselves, while having maintained a small population because of various issues, nevertheless have larger genetic diversity than any one of the peoples outside Africa.

    But, over time, genetic diversity fixes itself through mutations. Look at the lactose tolerant gene, hair colours, eye colours, skin pigmentation. Inbreeding is only a problem if it leads to higher levels of manifestation of deleterious genes and other defects. Other than that, homogeneity has served the Swedes, the Finns and others very well.

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  • @Blah
    About ten years ago I always use to tell my uninformed friends that Saddam Hussein was not understandable And irrational to the Western mind because he was his own first, second, and third cousin many times over. Keep it in the same gene pool that many times and for that long (thousands of years), and your undying loyalty will be to your tribe. And you may have some strong mental issues from a genetic standpoint of double and tripling down on the same crazy for that long.

    It certainly makes a better case for suicide bombing if you are advancing the cause of those who are that much more like you than say, an individual would be to the equivalent surrounding Euro population.

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  • @anonymous
    OT, but about genetics related to behavior:

    "Epigenetic algorithm accurately predicts male sexual orientation", ScienceDaily, October 8, 2015:


    "Summary:

    An algorithm using epigenetic information from just nine regions of the human genome can predict the sexual orientation of males with up to 70 percent accuracy, according to new research. Beyond the genetic information contained in DNA, the researchers examined patterns of DNA methylation across the genome in pairs of identical male twins."

     

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    • Replies: @Rifleman
    We're going to need Greg Cochran's opinion or it didn't happen.
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  • Occams razor suggests Merkel has the tingles. One need not look further. Ugly eomen in power tend to punish their people for failing to make the ugly women beautiful. Imagine Hillarys tingles. Shudder.

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    Occams razor suggests Merkel has the tingles.
     
    Whiskey's Razor suggests that you will "Excuse the Jews and Blame the White women" because that's what you do.

    Merkel's corporate handlers can do the math = Germans WONT reproduce enough workers and consumers and tax payers so they must import them.

    You getting the tingles over the thought of an old ugly White woman being sexually aroused by dark muslim men has nothing to do with the economic - labor/consumer/tax payers - needs of a decrepit Germany.
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  • @Drapetomaniac
    What is a "radical libertarian"?

    I was using the term as shorthand for the “open borders” economists writing in places like Marginal Revolution. If you can suggest something better, please go ahead.

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  • @Trumped
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2015/10/12/black-women-face-prejudice-every-day-i-dont-need-it-in-online-dating-too/?tid=trending_strip_1

    This is steve sailer bait! A dark skinned and short haired black woman bitches that online dating sites allow discrimination based upon race. Some of the responses are hilarious.

    It even includes some gays coming on to point out how they face more discrimination, thus proving the Sailer SJW hierarchy theory.

    A dark skinned and short haired black woman bitches that online dating sites allow discrimination based upon race

    Like that’s any different from the personal ads in the progressive free weeklies that litter the entrances of hip restaurants all over North America

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  • @Drapetomaniac
    What is a "radical libertarian"?

    What is a “radical libertarian”?

    Whatever it is, it sure doesn’t countenance free migration into a welfare state. That’s not liberty, that’s taking liberties. That’s war.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    OT, but about genetics related to behavior:

    “Epigenetic algorithm accurately predicts male sexual orientation”, ScienceDaily, October 8, 2015:

    “Summary:

    An algorithm using epigenetic information from just nine regions of the human genome can predict the sexual orientation of males with up to 70 percent accuracy, according to new research. Beyond the genetic information contained in DNA, the researchers examined patterns of DNA methylation across the genome in pairs of identical male twins.”

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    • Replies: @e
    Not even the Atlantic buys it, for several reasons:

    http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2015/10/no-scientists-have-not-found-the-gay-gene/410059/
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  • @Anon7
    On a nepotism-related topic, the Imam of Dearborn, Michigan's Islamic Center of America mosque has left, leveling a number of charges against the mosque's board.

    In his remarks last month, Al-Qazwini blasted the board, saying it lacked term limits, promoted nepotism, had no female members, and failed to discipline those who acted improperly. Al-Qazwini, who is of Iraqi descent, and his supporters also say the board wanted to limit the mosque membership to Lebanese-Americans...

    But Al-Qazwini said his were not personal demands, but demands made by the community looking for reform. He criticized the center for having board members who serve for life and hiring employees who are board members.

    "Becoming a board member for life, no power on earth can remove him — Is this Islamic? Is this democratic? Is this American?" Al-Qazwini said.

    "It doesn't make no sense to import the Saudi style of governance to the Islamic Center of America," he added. "We establish another monarchy, where a board member became a board member for life. Before dying, he would bring his son to be his heir, to take his seat."

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2015/06/05/imam-qazwini-resigns-dearborn-mosque/28581129/

     

    Michigan, eh? How is this different from labor union practice in America? Or is it just on the docks and behind the stage where they do this?

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  • https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soloish/wp/2015/10/12/black-women-face-prejudice-every-day-i-dont-need-it-in-online-dating-too/?tid=trending_strip_1

    This is steve sailer bait! A dark skinned and short haired black woman bitches that online dating sites allow discrimination based upon race. Some of the responses are hilarious.

    It even includes some gays coming on to point out how they face more discrimination, thus proving the Sailer SJW hierarchy theory.

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    A dark skinned and short haired black woman bitches that online dating sites allow discrimination based upon race
     
    Like that's any different from the personal ads in the progressive free weeklies that litter the entrances of hip restaurants all over North America
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  • Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Why?

    Because another inbred people are ruling over the West and demand that the West open up.

    Who are these inbred people?

    PS. WOWS is overly over-the-top, but the fat guy(best thing in the movie and such an accurate portrayal of his kind) is hilarious, and this scene is a masterpiece.

    I love how the fat guy says ‘no’ but then describes the situation that sums up to a ‘yes’.
    He says ‘yeah.No’ to the question of whether he married his first cousin and then says her father is brother to his mother which indeed makes her a first cousin.

    It’s like a mini-version of how PC works at NYT. NYT will have Nicholas Wade mention and describe the facts that would indicate racial differences do exist, but then say NO, race is just a social construct.

    No, we have bananas(or its opposite, ‘yes, we have no bananas’.)

    Btw, when the fat guy says he would take a hypothetically retarded kid and let him out of the car, it’s just the funniest thing.

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  • @Stubborn in Germany
    As little as a year ago, "open borders for everyone" was the war cry only of extreme-left NGOs like ATAC and radical libertarians.

    Now it is the official policy of the German government.

    By the way, I just learned there is a scholarly treatment of mass migration as a means of coercion:

    Weapons of Mass Migration (2010) by Kelly Greenhill.

    From the blurb:


    In Weapons of Mass Migration, Kelly M. Greenhill offers the first systematic examination of this widely deployed but largely unrecognized instrument of state influence. She shows both how often this unorthodox brand of coercion has been attempted (more than fifty times in the last half century) and how successful it has been (well over half the time). She also tackles the questions of who employs this policy tool, to what ends, and how and why it ever works. Coercers aim to affect target states' behavior by exploiting the existence of competing political interests and groups, Greenhill argues, and by manipulating the costs or risks imposed on target state populations.

    This "coercion by punishment" strategy can be effected in two ways: the first relies on straightforward threats to overwhelm a target's capacity to accommodate a refugee or migrant influx; the second, on a kind of norms-enhanced political blackmail that exploits the existence of legal and normative commitments to those fleeing violence, persecution, or privation.
     

    As of now, there is only one customer review on the Amazon page, by a German who thinks this has all been orchestrated by "the Americans" to "destroy the economy and political stability of the new host country, and to sow the seeds of civil war" in order to "further cement their imperial control".

    Well, I dunno. If nothing else, Germany and Europe are important trading partners for the U.S. Destroying their economies would severely impact U.S. businesses and jobs. Of course, one never knows what schemes are being hatched in the Obama White House, but I am skeptical.

    More likely, in my opinion, is that Turkish President Erdogan decided to utilize the weapon of mass migration for his own goals. Until this summer, he had diligently enforced the integrity of his country's border by preventing Syrian (and transiting Afghan etc.) refugees from emigrating en masse. Opening the floodgates meant putting Europe in a world of hurt, with him holding the power to make it stop -- if his demands were met.

    We know only some of his demands, such as billions in financial aid for Syrian refugees in Turkey and the abolition of visa requirements for Turkey's 70+ million citizens. The EU has now announced that these demands will be met. At a minimum he will also want assurance of no interference as he ratchets up oppression of his country's Kurdish population (whose birth rate is much higher than that of non-Kurdish Turks). It's possible that after he closes the border to Syrians trying to get into Europe, he will launch an even bigger refugee tsunami by making the lives of Turkish Kurds unbearable. The extent of Erdogan's regional superpower ambitions is not known, therefore we do not know the full extent of his demands either.

    In any case he has not yet shut down border crossings by Syrians (fake and real ones) into Europe. Whether this is due to EU bureaucratic bungling and slowness or because he is trying to drive a still harder bargain is not known. My guess is that he is surprised that it took the EU so long to cry uncle and acknowledge that Erdogan holds the keys to the gate.

    What is also unknown is the extent to which Qatar and Saudi Arabia, the two main financiers of Turkey's economic expansion, are influencing Turkish policy in return for making funds available at below-market rate, and what their specific goals in this game of hardball are. One would think that, being major shareholders of European corporations, they do not wish to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs -- but the lure of islamizing Europe may be a powerful temptation.

    P.S.: A crazy thought, maybe Merkel has known all along what Erdogan's plan is and by holding off on giving in to his demands she is trying to demonstrate Germany's resistance to blackmail? As in, "we can take whatever you throw at us and remain standing"? To be honest, I don't believe it myself. Merkel is simply too stupid for Machiavellian statecraft.

    What is a “radical libertarian”?

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    What is a “radical libertarian”?

     

    Whatever it is, it sure doesn't countenance free migration into a welfare state. That's not liberty, that's taking liberties. That's war.
    , @Stubborn in Germany
    I was using the term as shorthand for the "open borders" economists writing in places like Marginal Revolution. If you can suggest something better, please go ahead.
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  • There may be some significant correlations between consanguinity and civic-mindedness. But clearly there are other equally or more significant factors as well.

    Looking at East Asia, Korea has lower consanguinity than Japan does (which makes sense since in Korea it used to be illegal to marry someone with the same surname, even those related by 8 degrees or some such thing, while Japan has been considerably less eugenicist on this score). But my experience in both countries and peoples is that the Japanese are substantially more civic-minded (and polite) than Koreans are. The rough comparison would be that the Japanese are akin to the English while the Koreans are more like the Irish, that is, less mannered and communitarian than the Japanese, but more soulful and unruly.

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  • @Anon7
    On a nepotism-related topic, the Imam of Dearborn, Michigan's Islamic Center of America mosque has left, leveling a number of charges against the mosque's board.

    In his remarks last month, Al-Qazwini blasted the board, saying it lacked term limits, promoted nepotism, had no female members, and failed to discipline those who acted improperly. Al-Qazwini, who is of Iraqi descent, and his supporters also say the board wanted to limit the mosque membership to Lebanese-Americans...

    But Al-Qazwini said his were not personal demands, but demands made by the community looking for reform. He criticized the center for having board members who serve for life and hiring employees who are board members.

    "Becoming a board member for life, no power on earth can remove him — Is this Islamic? Is this democratic? Is this American?" Al-Qazwini said.

    "It doesn't make no sense to import the Saudi style of governance to the Islamic Center of America," he added. "We establish another monarchy, where a board member became a board member for life. Before dying, he would bring his son to be his heir, to take his seat."

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2015/06/05/imam-qazwini-resigns-dearborn-mosque/28581129/

     

    I don’t get the fuss. The Jews have hereditary religious rulers who pass the crown down to their progeny. The Satmarrer, Belzer, Muncatcher, and Lubavitcher rebbes (among others) are/were all hereditary religious rulers. The Muslims just need to split up into smaller, more manageable groups and have each one pick their own ruler.

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  • Alternatively why does NATO keep regime changing inbred nations? And why does it matter if Assad is or is not in charge if everyone is inbred anyway?

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  • I recently took Lufthansa on a return flight to the US. In the inflight magazine, the CEO boasted that the company had received 130,000 applications for 2000 internships, only 300 oif which were skilled ground positions as opposed to cabin crew.

    Hard to believe that Germany has a labor shortage.

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    There's no such thing as a "labor shortage" in an economy the size of Germany. This is one of the fairly basic insights of economics. A "shortage" in the real world just means that "prices are higher than I would like", in this case the price being wages.
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  • They come from Moslem countries, the inbreeding being only incidental to that. Polygamy is not, and mass youth unemployment is not. A young man has limited prospects for marriage and employment, and if he has none he can’t be any worse off in Europe.

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    I read somewhere that Islamic laws regarding how property is inherited promoted inbreeding in muslim societies. According to the Koran, daughters are entitled to half as much property as sons, but this was a step up from previous customs in the middle east. Perversely, this encouraged families to promote consanguinity to keep the wealth in the family. I can't provide a reference, but here is a link describing islamic inheritance laws.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_inheritance_jurisprudence
    , @Alastair Trumpington
    I read somewhere that Islamic laws regarding inheritance of property promote inbreeding in muslim societies. According to the Koran, daughters are entitled to half as much property as sons. Perversely, allowing women to inherit property encouraged inbreeding with the goal of "keeping the wealth in the family". I can't provide a reference, but here is a link describing islamic inheritance laws.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_inheritance_jurisprudence

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  • “…German Chancellor Merkel’s decision to let in (literally) countless numbers of newcomers from the Muslim world…”

    This is something obvious, yet easily ignored, yet extremely important. It’s common in any debate on immigration in any Western country:

    John: “What if 100 million people immigrate?”

    Matt: “That many people won’t immigrate.”

    John: “Then why don’t we place a limit on how many can come?”

    Matt: {Stone-cold silence}

    They never, never, ever want to talk about limits, just like they never want to talk about enforcement measures, even when pretending to be pro-enforcement:

    John: “Why don’t we deny illegals driver’s licenses and car registrations?”

    Matt: “That won’t work, they’ll still come and drive without them.”

    John: “Why don’t we deny them access to welfare?”

    Matt: “That won’t work – they’ll still come, and they don’t use much welfare?”

    John: “So, then why don’t we deny them welfare?”

    Matt: “That would be immoral.”

    John: “So why don’t we deny their kids public education, and fine businesses that employ them?”

    Matt: “Those won’t work, either; and denying education to their kids would also be immoral”

    John: “So what measures to fight illegal immigration would work?”

    Matt: {Stone-cold silence…again}

    They say that open borders won’t cause too many people to come, and yet they won’t allow even an insanely high number, like 5 million a year, as a limit.

    They say they’re for enforcement, yet can’t name a single damn enforcement measure they would find acceptable.

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  • As little as a year ago, “open borders for everyone” was the war cry only of extreme-left NGOs like ATAC and radical libertarians.

    Now it is the official policy of the German government.

    By the way, I just learned there is a scholarly treatment of mass migration as a means of coercion:

    Weapons of Mass Migration (2010) by Kelly Greenhill.

    From the blurb:

    In Weapons of Mass Migration, Kelly M. Greenhill offers the first systematic examination of this widely deployed but largely unrecognized instrument of state influence. She shows both how often this unorthodox brand of coercion has been attempted (more than fifty times in the last half century) and how successful it has been (well over half the time). She also tackles the questions of who employs this policy tool, to what ends, and how and why it ever works. Coercers aim to affect target states’ behavior by exploiting the existence of competing political interests and groups, Greenhill argues, and by manipulating the costs or risks imposed on target state populations.

    This “coercion by punishment” strategy can be effected in two ways: the first relies on straightforward threats to overwhelm a target’s capacity to accommodate a refugee or migrant influx; the second, on a kind of norms-enhanced political blackmail that exploits the existence of legal and normative commitments to those fleeing violence, persecution, or privation.

    As of now, there is only one customer review on the Amazon page, by a German who thinks this has all been orchestrated by “the Americans” to “destroy the economy and political stability of the new host country, and to sow the seeds of civil war” in order to “further cement their imperial control”.

    Well, I dunno. If nothing else, Germany and Europe are important trading partners for the U.S. Destroying their economies would severely impact U.S. businesses and jobs. Of course, one never knows what schemes are being hatched in the Obama White House, but I am skeptical.

    More likely, in my opinion, is that Turkish President Erdogan decided to utilize the weapon of mass migration for his own goals. Until this summer, he had diligently enforced the integrity of his country’s border by preventing Syrian (and transiting Afghan etc.) refugees from emigrating en masse. Opening the floodgates meant putting Europe in a world of hurt, with him holding the power to make it stop — if his demands were met.

    We know only some of his demands, such as billions in financial aid for Syrian refugees in Turkey and the abolition of visa requirements for Turkey’s 70+ million citizens. The EU has now announced that these demands will be met. At a minimum he will also want assurance of no interference as he ratchets up oppression of his country’s Kurdish population (whose birth rate is much higher than that of non-Kurdish Turks). It’s possible that after he closes the border to Syrians trying to get into Europe, he will launch an even bigger refugee tsunami by making the lives of Turkish Kurds unbearable. The extent of Erdogan’s regional superpower ambitions is not known, therefore we do not know the full extent of his demands either.

    In any case he has not yet shut down border crossings by Syrians (fake and real ones) into Europe. Whether this is due to EU bureaucratic bungling and slowness or because he is trying to drive a still harder bargain is not known. My guess is that he is surprised that it took the EU so long to cry uncle and acknowledge that Erdogan holds the keys to the gate.

    What is also unknown is the extent to which Qatar and Saudi Arabia, the two main financiers of Turkey’s economic expansion, are influencing Turkish policy in return for making funds available at below-market rate, and what their specific goals in this game of hardball are. One would think that, being major shareholders of European corporations, they do not wish to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs — but the lure of islamizing Europe may be a powerful temptation.

    P.S.: A crazy thought, maybe Merkel has known all along what Erdogan’s plan is and by holding off on giving in to his demands she is trying to demonstrate Germany’s resistance to blackmail? As in, “we can take whatever you throw at us and remain standing”? To be honest, I don’t believe it myself. Merkel is simply too stupid for Machiavellian statecraft.

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    What is a "radical libertarian"?
    , @BillP
    The last thing Europe's elite want is for the Islamic tsunami to stop. Maybe Erdogan wasn't clever enough to realize he would be doing them a priceless favor?

    They've all been dreaming about this glorious day since their college years, which featured Lennon's Imagine as a permanent looping soundtrack. If they can achieve the end of Western Civilization for everyone but themselves and their comfortable, nearly-spent lives they can all die happily with permanent erections.
    , @Anonymous
    Britain *MUST* get out of the EU in the forthcoming referendum.

    Unfortunately, the big fat lies from big business have only just started. I am severely pessimistic that the 'great British public' will have the brains or indeed balls to vote to get out.
    , @Stubborn in Germany

    By the way, I just learned there is a scholarly treatment of mass migration as a means of coercion:

    Weapons of Mass Migration (2010) by Kelly Greenhill.
     
    Three reviews of the book plus author's response here: https://issforum.org/roundtables/5-3-weapons-mass-migration

    Regardless of weaknesses that the book may have, it is clear to me that this is the premier reference work on "coercive engineered migration". Strange that it has hardly been mentioned at all in the mainstream media. Erdogan's advisors, however, probably know it by heart.
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  • On a nepotism-related topic, the Imam of Dearborn, Michigan’s Islamic Center of America mosque has left, leveling a number of charges against the mosque’s board.

    In his remarks last month, Al-Qazwini blasted the board, saying it lacked term limits, promoted nepotism, had no female members, and failed to discipline those who acted improperly. Al-Qazwini, who is of Iraqi descent, and his supporters also say the board wanted to limit the mosque membership to Lebanese-Americans…

    But Al-Qazwini said his were not personal demands, but demands made by the community looking for reform. He criticized the center for having board members who serve for life and hiring employees who are board members.

    “Becoming a board member for life, no power on earth can remove him — Is this Islamic? Is this democratic? Is this American?” Al-Qazwini said.

    “It doesn’t make no sense to import the Saudi style of governance to the Islamic Center of America,” he added. “We establish another monarchy, where a board member became a board member for life. Before dying, he would bring his son to be his heir, to take his seat.”

    http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2015/06/05/imam-qazwini-resigns-dearborn-mosque/28581129/

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    I don't get the fuss. The Jews have hereditary religious rulers who pass the crown down to their progeny. The Satmarrer, Belzer, Muncatcher, and Lubavitcher rebbes (among others) are/were all hereditary religious rulers. The Muslims just need to split up into smaller, more manageable groups and have each one pick their own ruler.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Michigan, eh? How is this different from labor union practice in America? Or is it just on the docks and behind the stage where they do this?
    , @greysquirrell
    That article touches on an issue within immigrant Muslim communities that seldom if ever receives any press, namely the tribalism and discrimination between Muslims.

    The Ummah tries to claim it is a anti-racist faith but the reality is that Muslim countries are far more xenophobic and racist than the Anglo-sphere. I've heard South Asians saying they were discriminated against by Arabs at mosques and Black American Muslims (no, not the NOI types, but regular mainstream Islam) say they faced racism from Pakistanis.
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  • Japanese and Koreans are smart ; they would never let in such large number of non ethnic kinfolk and especially not Muslims. Germans are being sold up-river by the scheming Euro elites.

    Christian Syrians wouldn’t be a problem but Muslims will never integrate, instead they will work towards taking over Germany …gradually, and like Ghadaffi said: through the womb. As if all those Turks weren’t problem enough, Merkel wants Germans to expereince even more masochism.

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  • @Alfa158
    With the increasing levels of automation in manufacturing (or for that matter services) it makes no sense to worry about fake labor shortages. The Japanese apparently aren't doing so except to the extent that they will need to push robotic technology to be able to handle complex tasks such as caring for aged humans.
    Judging by the now famous selfie of Angela and a refugee, I think she is more concerned with reducing the German population's average number of eyebrows per person. (BTW, I wonder if that monobrow look is a symptom of inbreeding? You don't see it so much even among European ethnic groups who are known for lots of face and body hair.)

    Monobrows are considered beautiful in parts of Central Asia:

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/tajikistan/101126/unibrow-central-asia-fashion

    Apparently they can also result from certain genetic disorders, but those usually cause other physical symptoms as well:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unibrow#cite_note-1

    Perhaps Merkel’s conspiring with the German tweezer industry?

    http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-44532-Tweezers-Tapered-Strong/dp/B002RL7YHM

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  • About ten years ago I always use to tell my uninformed friends that Saddam Hussein was not understandable And irrational to the Western mind because he was his own first, second, and third cousin many times over. Keep it in the same gene pool that many times and for that long (thousands of years), and your undying loyalty will be to your tribe. And you may have some strong mental issues from a genetic standpoint of double and tripling down on the same crazy for that long.

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    It certainly makes a better case for suicide bombing if you are advancing the cause of those who are that much more like you than say, an individual would be to the equivalent surrounding Euro population.
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  • “Inbred cultures” == Muslim cultures of course (in this case).

    But also pretty much any pre-modern culture in the world today, Muslim or not.

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    [“Inbred cultures” =] pretty much any pre-modern culture in the world today, Muslim or not.
     
    Not at all. From wiki:

    Under Roman civil law, which early canon law of the Catholic Church followed, couples were forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity. In the ninth century the church raised the number of prohibited degrees to seven and changed the method by which they were calculated. In 1215 the Fourth Lateran Council made what they believed was a necessary change to canon law reducing the number of prohibited degrees of consanguinity from seven back to four.

    Most cultures define a degree of consanguinity within which sexual interrelationships are regarded as incestuous (the "prohibited degree of kinship")
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  • With the increasing levels of automation in manufacturing (or for that matter services) it makes no sense to worry about fake labor shortages. The Japanese apparently aren’t doing so except to the extent that they will need to push robotic technology to be able to handle complex tasks such as caring for aged humans.
    Judging by the now famous selfie of Angela and a refugee, I think she is more concerned with reducing the German population’s average number of eyebrows per person. (BTW, I wonder if that monobrow look is a symptom of inbreeding? You don’t see it so much even among European ethnic groups who are known for lots of face and body hair.)

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    Monobrows are considered beautiful in parts of Central Asia:

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/tajikistan/101126/unibrow-central-asia-fashion

    Apparently they can also result from certain genetic disorders, but those usually cause other physical symptoms as well:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unibrow#cite_note-1

    Perhaps Merkel's conspiring with the German tweezer industry?

    http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-44532-Tweezers-Tapered-Strong/dp/B002RL7YHM
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  • Apologies for the tabloidy title. This is an otherwise serious post. It is well known that higher rates of cousin marriages - especially the father's brother's daughter (FBD) type that is common in the Arab Muslim world - tends to increase clannishness and depress IQs. It is often discussed in HBD circles. The main focus...
  • @Southern Sage
    I am skeptical of the IQ argument for the number of Jewish billionaires and other Jewish "success" stories in American society. It is far more likely that much of this "success" is due to the tremendous advantage a small, self-contained, secretive group has when working together against the interests of the larger group in which it lives and works. Add to this an apparent willingness to almost completely ignore the moral codes of the larger groups and you have a surefire recipe for "success".
    The IQ argument for Jewish success is obviously false. While I do not doubt that on average American Jews have high IQ´s, they are swamped by the number of white, non-Jewish Americans with IQ´s just as high or higher. Jewish success is based on group loyalty which is, unfortunately, often directed against the interests of the general population. For example, if members of the Jewish community (illegally) provide interest free loans to their fellow Jews starting a business and do not give such loans to non-Jews, guess who will be more "successful"? And if, for example, Jewish business owners engaged in large-scale insurance fraud in the case of failing businesses and non-Jews did not out of obedience to the law, what would be the result? Likewise in the professions, if Jews slowly gain a predominant position in, say, medical schools, they may favor Jewish applicants over others. Ditto for the legal profession, Hollywood, the media. IQ, while useful, is not the deciding factor in "success". I might add that non-Jews may take a while to wake up to what is happening. When they do, however, they are likely to be enraged to find out that people they saw as their friends and neighbors had been diddling them for decades, with cold-blooded selfishness. Guess what their reaction is?

    I am skeptical of the IQ argument for the number of Jewish billionaires and other Jewish “success” stories in American society.

    As others have chimed, this is pretty obvious. And it’s curious why it’s not obvious to a wider population.

    Elite university admissions are another area where Jews seem to be flying under the radar as “white” applicants and reinforcing their own numbers while, no surprise, Asians are suppressed under the guise of “diversity”. So there’s obviously a double-standard here.

    The alleged ~120 Ashkenazi IQ is also suspect. Besides anecdotes and Nobel Prize winners, where is the data?

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  • @Southern Sage
    I am skeptical of the IQ argument for the number of Jewish billionaires and other Jewish "success" stories in American society. It is far more likely that much of this "success" is due to the tremendous advantage a small, self-contained, secretive group has when working together against the interests of the larger group in which it lives and works. Add to this an apparent willingness to almost completely ignore the moral codes of the larger groups and you have a surefire recipe for "success".
    The IQ argument for Jewish success is obviously false. While I do not doubt that on average American Jews have high IQ´s, they are swamped by the number of white, non-Jewish Americans with IQ´s just as high or higher. Jewish success is based on group loyalty which is, unfortunately, often directed against the interests of the general population. For example, if members of the Jewish community (illegally) provide interest free loans to their fellow Jews starting a business and do not give such loans to non-Jews, guess who will be more "successful"? And if, for example, Jewish business owners engaged in large-scale insurance fraud in the case of failing businesses and non-Jews did not out of obedience to the law, what would be the result? Likewise in the professions, if Jews slowly gain a predominant position in, say, medical schools, they may favor Jewish applicants over others. Ditto for the legal profession, Hollywood, the media. IQ, while useful, is not the deciding factor in "success". I might add that non-Jews may take a while to wake up to what is happening. When they do, however, they are likely to be enraged to find out that people they saw as their friends and neighbors had been diddling them for decades, with cold-blooded selfishness. Guess what their reaction is?

    Southern Sage, you have pretty much described the “Modus operandi” for the Jewish Business model.It is these same predatory practices that led to the Jews being expelled from so many countries throughout history.

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  • @Deduction
    I think this is unintentionally hilarious.

    Particularly the bit where the guy complains that IS are too extreme, they should just cut thieves' hands off, not kill them.

    Nice white journalists can't even conceive of such a thing. They think that their compatriots are unrepentant beyond the pale barbarians for not believing that Bruce Jenner in a dress is a beautiful, sexy and heroic woman haha.

    The next question is: Who is crazier? The nice white journalists or the fundies from IS? I'm leaning towards the journalists being the loons and in fact that Syrian hand chopper looks like the moderate middle ground!

    At some point as we in the West continue to tumble into multikult madness, there could be a choice between an alien but half-way sane social system like moderate Islam and the multikult, and I, and those like me, who tend to be the types of who know how to fight and get stuff done, will choose the foreign system over the native insanity.

    It is certainly not my overall preference but more and more it looks like we are heading for a binary option. To be honest, the four wife lifestyle is another potent draw, a nice older one to cook, a young sexy one to ****, and two in between!

    You think that sounds good ,but usually you end up with four wives, who can’t cook, are not beautiful, and are loud and annoying as hell!!

    As the antagonists in the Russian classi, Kavkaskaya Plennitsa, sang:

    Если б я был султан, я б имел трех жен

    И тройной красотой был бы окружен,

    Но с другой стороны при таких делах

    Столько бед и забот, ах, спаси аллах!

    Не плохо очень иметь три жены,

    Но очень плохо с другой стороны.

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  • @Kamran
    Anatoly, I would like to see this interview about current sunni attitudes and opinions, collected by Chechen jihadists from somewhere in Aleppo. All-in all, everyone they interviewed is opposed to ISIS, but they are somewhat sympathetic towards jihadists, and almost all want "sharia law."

    Please watch everyone: http://www.chechensinsyria.com/?p=21252

    What do you think?

    I think this is unintentionally hilarious.

    Particularly the bit where the guy complains that IS are too extreme, they should just cut thieves’ hands off, not kill them.

    Nice white journalists can’t even conceive of such a thing. They think that their compatriots are unrepentant beyond the pale barbarians for not believing that Bruce Jenner in a dress is a beautiful, sexy and heroic woman haha.

    The next question is: Who is crazier? The nice white journalists or the fundies from IS? I’m leaning towards the journalists being the loons and in fact that Syrian hand chopper looks like the moderate middle ground!

    At some point as we in the West continue to tumble into multikult madness, there could be a choice between an alien but half-way sane social system like moderate Islam and the multikult, and I, and those like me, who tend to be the types of who know how to fight and get stuff done, will choose the foreign system over the native insanity.

    It is certainly not my overall preference but more and more it looks like we are heading for a binary option. To be honest, the four wife lifestyle is another potent draw, a nice older one to cook, a young sexy one to ****, and two in between!

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    You think that sounds good ,but usually you end up with four wives, who can't cook, are not beautiful, and are loud and annoying as hell!!

    As the antagonists in the Russian classi, Kavkaskaya Plennitsa, sang:

    Если б я был султан, я б имел трех жен

    И тройной красотой был бы окружен,

    Но с другой стороны при таких делах

    Столько бед и забот, ах, спаси аллах!



    Не плохо очень иметь три жены,

    Но очень плохо с другой стороны.
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  • @Kamran
    Yes this is indeed the case. They write literature and sincerely believe the apocalypse is coming and that the armies of god will fight the fight the armies of dajjal in northern syria, and that the only way to bring this about to rally all muslims under the black flag of Muhammed and in preparation for this event extirpate all taghout, mushrik (idolatry), and mortad (apostasy).

    Whenever the BBC calls them the 'so-called' islamic state, I let out a little sigh.

    These guys are literally steeped in Islamic eschatology. Their founder Abu-ayyub al masri, has written several long, eloquent tracts detailing the precise order of the battles that will be fought in Syria and who prophesied them back in which century, etc. etc.


    Although I do suspect a certain percentage are just irreligious violent psychopaths.

    Whenever the BBC calls them the ‘so-called’ islamic state, I let out a little sigh

    That is my reaction exactly.

    As a Brit my sigh goes even deeper, though, as I know that the BBC means well by that phrase as the journalists are trying to avoid offence but they end up being much offensive by being so patronising.

    It also advertises their blind cluelessness.

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  • @Kamran
    The islamic state isn't a homegrown militia. They're a fanatical, euphoric, theologically apocalyptic group. Typical recruits in such groups throughout history are urban and literate (and crazy), but low-class. But there are plenty of Sunni hicks in it as well.

    Islamic State are both, as you say, thick bearded hicks fighting for cousin and clan and euphoric thin bearded contestants fighting to win ‘Terrorist Idol.’

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  • @Stubborn in Germany
    When comparing photographs of Taliban fighters and Islamic state fighters, I am struck by the difference in appearance. The Taliban are in all age groups, they sport thick beards, thick eyebrows, and they look like angry transplants from a former century.

    The IS fighters are almost uniformly young (early twenties), sport only wispy milk beards, and are bright-eyed and cheerful. Your word "euphoric" matches well what I perceive. They are committing the most barbaric cruelties and proudly posting videos of them, yet their features do not appear to be distorted by hatred.

    Yes this is indeed the case. They write literature and sincerely believe the apocalypse is coming and that the armies of god will fight the fight the armies of dajjal in northern syria, and that the only way to bring this about to rally all muslims under the black flag of Muhammed and in preparation for this event extirpate all taghout, mushrik (idolatry), and mortad (apostasy).

    Whenever the BBC calls them the ‘so-called’ islamic state, I let out a little sigh.

    These guys are literally steeped in Islamic eschatology. Their founder Abu-ayyub al masri, has written several long, eloquent tracts detailing the precise order of the battles that will be fought in Syria and who prophesied them back in which century, etc. etc.

    Although I do suspect a certain percentage are just irreligious violent psychopaths.

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    Whenever the BBC calls them the ‘so-called’ islamic state, I let out a little sigh
     
    That is my reaction exactly.

    As a Brit my sigh goes even deeper, though, as I know that the BBC means well by that phrase as the journalists are trying to avoid offence but they end up being much offensive by being so patronising.

    It also advertises their blind cluelessness.
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  • @Kamran
    The islamic state isn't a homegrown militia. They're a fanatical, euphoric, theologically apocalyptic group. Typical recruits in such groups throughout history are urban and literate (and crazy), but low-class. But there are plenty of Sunni hicks in it as well.

    When comparing photographs of Taliban fighters and Islamic state fighters, I am struck by the difference in appearance. The Taliban are in all age groups, they sport thick beards, thick eyebrows, and they look like angry transplants from a former century.

    The IS fighters are almost uniformly young (early twenties), sport only wispy milk beards, and are bright-eyed and cheerful. Your word “euphoric” matches well what I perceive. They are committing the most barbaric cruelties and proudly posting videos of them, yet their features do not appear to be distorted by hatred.

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    Yes this is indeed the case. They write literature and sincerely believe the apocalypse is coming and that the armies of god will fight the fight the armies of dajjal in northern syria, and that the only way to bring this about to rally all muslims under the black flag of Muhammed and in preparation for this event extirpate all taghout, mushrik (idolatry), and mortad (apostasy).

    Whenever the BBC calls them the 'so-called' islamic state, I let out a little sigh.

    These guys are literally steeped in Islamic eschatology. Their founder Abu-ayyub al masri, has written several long, eloquent tracts detailing the precise order of the battles that will be fought in Syria and who prophesied them back in which century, etc. etc.


    Although I do suspect a certain percentage are just irreligious violent psychopaths.

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  • @unit472
    Even if true ( and the rural hick versus the urban sophisticate is hardly a novel revelation) it does not absolve the urban elite of governing with more than a 'stick' which seems to have been the Assad family's favorite tool.

    OTOH wouldn't the same dynamic be in play in Iran, i.e., the rural 'hick' population being the backbone of the "Islamic Republic" that has propped up Bashar Assad's regime? It is also the case that much of Islamic States fighting men are not from from rural Syria or Iraq but from the cities of Western Europe, North Africa and even Russia?

    The islamic state isn’t a homegrown militia. They’re a fanatical, euphoric, theologically apocalyptic group. Typical recruits in such groups throughout history are urban and literate (and crazy), but low-class. But there are plenty of Sunni hicks in it as well.

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    When comparing photographs of Taliban fighters and Islamic state fighters, I am struck by the difference in appearance. The Taliban are in all age groups, they sport thick beards, thick eyebrows, and they look like angry transplants from a former century.

    The IS fighters are almost uniformly young (early twenties), sport only wispy milk beards, and are bright-eyed and cheerful. Your word "euphoric" matches well what I perceive. They are committing the most barbaric cruelties and proudly posting videos of them, yet their features do not appear to be distorted by hatred.
    , @Deduction
    Islamic State are both, as you say, thick bearded hicks fighting for cousin and clan and euphoric thin bearded contestants fighting to win 'Terrorist Idol.'
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  • @Glossy
    As per 23AndMe I'm 98.3% Ashkenazi. A brother of one of my grandmas married his first cousin. I was told in childhood by my parents that this was common among Jews in the past. I wonder if it's common among the Hasidim today. They've certainly preserved every other bit of tradition that they could. I've read Niall Ferguson's two-volume history of the Rothchilds. They were really, really inbred.

    I think that a lot of the unique features of the northern European mindset and tradition come from the fact that northern Europeans lived on isolated homesteads for several millenia. The climate was too cold to support high population density of farmers.

    The climate in southern Europe and the Middle East could always support a high population density of farmers. Farmers there always lived in villages, not on single-nuclear-family homesteads. Villages had politics. You have to be clannish to win at politics. An inbred family is a more cohesive political team than a non-inbred family. That's probably why my ancestors went in for inbreeding.

    As per 23AndMe I’m 98.3% Ashkenazi. A brother of one of my grandmas married his first cousin.

    Jews in some small rural communities (shtetles) engaged in some cousin marriage due to not enough diverse eligible marriage prospects. But (some) Muslim populations have first cousin generation after generation, they pile on, which makes defects much more likely. I wonder now much cousin marriage goes on in Muslim Indonesia and Malaysia. My guess is much less than among Pakistanis and Arabs, Persians

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  • @Southern Sage
    I am skeptical of the IQ argument for the number of Jewish billionaires and other Jewish "success" stories in American society. It is far more likely that much of this "success" is due to the tremendous advantage a small, self-contained, secretive group has when working together against the interests of the larger group in which it lives and works. Add to this an apparent willingness to almost completely ignore the moral codes of the larger groups and you have a surefire recipe for "success".
    The IQ argument for Jewish success is obviously false. While I do not doubt that on average American Jews have high IQ´s, they are swamped by the number of white, non-Jewish Americans with IQ´s just as high or higher. Jewish success is based on group loyalty which is, unfortunately, often directed against the interests of the general population. For example, if members of the Jewish community (illegally) provide interest free loans to their fellow Jews starting a business and do not give such loans to non-Jews, guess who will be more "successful"? And if, for example, Jewish business owners engaged in large-scale insurance fraud in the case of failing businesses and non-Jews did not out of obedience to the law, what would be the result? Likewise in the professions, if Jews slowly gain a predominant position in, say, medical schools, they may favor Jewish applicants over others. Ditto for the legal profession, Hollywood, the media. IQ, while useful, is not the deciding factor in "success". I might add that non-Jews may take a while to wake up to what is happening. When they do, however, they are likely to be enraged to find out that people they saw as their friends and neighbors had been diddling them for decades, with cold-blooded selfishness. Guess what their reaction is?

    Sage, you’re absolutely right that tribal teamwork is a bigger success factor than simple I.Q. Not only will Jews “favor Jewish applicants over others” (and there’s no “may” about it), they also will often conspire to purge non-Jews in order to bring in one of their tribe, whether or not less qualified than the non-Jew they are purging. (I have reliable first-hand accounts from Federal gov’t agency.)

    The HBD (21st Century eugenicists’) preoccupation with small differences in relative I.Q. is a pathetic and pointless attempt to prop up their egos with “scientific racism”.

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  • Even if true ( and the rural hick versus the urban sophisticate is hardly a novel revelation) it does not absolve the urban elite of governing with more than a ‘stick’ which seems to have been the Assad family’s favorite tool.

    OTOH wouldn’t the same dynamic be in play in Iran, i.e., the rural ‘hick’ population being the backbone of the “Islamic Republic” that has propped up Bashar Assad’s regime? It is also the case that much of Islamic States fighting men are not from from rural Syria or Iraq but from the cities of Western Europe, North Africa and even Russia?

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    The islamic state isn't a homegrown militia. They're a fanatical, euphoric, theologically apocalyptic group. Typical recruits in such groups throughout history are urban and literate (and crazy), but low-class. But there are plenty of Sunni hicks in it as well.
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  • I am skeptical of the IQ argument for the number of Jewish billionaires and other Jewish “success” stories in American society. It is far more likely that much of this “success” is due to the tremendous advantage a small, self-contained, secretive group has when working together against the interests of the larger group in which it lives and works. Add to this an apparent willingness to almost completely ignore the moral codes of the larger groups and you have a surefire recipe for “success”.
    The IQ argument for Jewish success is obviously false. While I do not doubt that on average American Jews have high IQ´s, they are swamped by the number of white, non-Jewish Americans with IQ´s just as high or higher. Jewish success is based on group loyalty which is, unfortunately, often directed against the interests of the general population. For example, if members of the Jewish community (illegally) provide interest free loans to their fellow Jews starting a business and do not give such loans to non-Jews, guess who will be more “successful”? And if, for example, Jewish business owners engaged in large-scale insurance fraud in the case of failing businesses and non-Jews did not out of obedience to the law, what would be the result? Likewise in the professions, if Jews slowly gain a predominant position in, say, medical schools, they may favor Jewish applicants over others. Ditto for the legal profession, Hollywood, the media. IQ, while useful, is not the deciding factor in “success”. I might add that non-Jews may take a while to wake up to what is happening. When they do, however, they are likely to be enraged to find out that people they saw as their friends and neighbors had been diddling them for decades, with cold-blooded selfishness. Guess what their reaction is?

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    Sage, you're absolutely right that tribal teamwork is a bigger success factor than simple I.Q. Not only will Jews "favor Jewish applicants over others" (and there's no "may" about it), they also will often conspire to purge non-Jews in order to bring in one of their tribe, whether or not less qualified than the non-Jew they are purging. (I have reliable first-hand accounts from Federal gov't agency.)

    The HBD (21st Century eugenicists') preoccupation with small differences in relative I.Q. is a pathetic and pointless attempt to prop up their egos with "scientific racism".
    , @Mithera
    Southern Sage, you have pretty much described the "Modus operandi" for the Jewish Business model.It is these same predatory practices that led to the Jews being expelled from so many countries throughout history.
    , @bach

    I am skeptical of the IQ argument for the number of Jewish billionaires and other Jewish “success” stories in American society.

     

    As others have chimed, this is pretty obvious. And it's curious why it's not obvious to a wider population.

    Elite university admissions are another area where Jews seem to be flying under the radar as "white" applicants and reinforcing their own numbers while, no surprise, Asians are suppressed under the guise of "diversity". So there's obviously a double-standard here.

    The alleged ~120 Ashkenazi IQ is also suspect. Besides anecdotes and Nobel Prize winners, where is the data?
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  • @iffen
    Israel has done very well in its wars with other states.

    The last war with a non-state foe gave them all they wanted.

    I am skeptical of the idea that Israel wants to destabilize and break up all the ME states.

    Israel did not fare so well in 1973 and 1982. I think you’d have to be living on another planet not to see that Israel wants countries like Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya etc. to be destroyed and become failed states embroiled in endless civil war. The Oded Yinon plan lays it out pretty clearly. Moshe Sharett’s memoirs show that Israel organised the Lebanese Civil War for the same reason. There are many Israeli sources who openly admit this is their strategy.

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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    This is an interesting theory but I don't think it's ultimately true.

    Israel had exceptionally good relations with the Shah. They also continue to have good relations with Azerbaijan.

    That said I'm sure you're right about the ISIS-specific angle. A united Syrian state, even weak as it might be, is still a far more potent threat than any number of Islamist warlords running about.

    Israel has done very well in its wars with other states.

    The last war with a non-state foe gave them all they wanted.

    I am skeptical of the idea that Israel wants to destabilize and break up all the ME states.

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    Israel did not fare so well in 1973 and 1982. I think you'd have to be living on another planet not to see that Israel wants countries like Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya etc. to be destroyed and become failed states embroiled in endless civil war. The Oded Yinon plan lays it out pretty clearly. Moshe Sharett's memoirs show that Israel organised the Lebanese Civil War for the same reason. There are many Israeli sources who openly admit this is their strategy.
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  • The relative political/economic position of Sunni/Shia groups was the reverse in in pre invasion Iraq and yet when I glanced at the consanguinity figures and it appears that they follow the same pattern as in Syria. (Highest Sunni, Shia, Kurd, Christian lowest). As Kamram noted above the period of Assad family rule is not representative of Syrian history.

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  • @Anonymous
    I wonder if this is why Israel is so fixated on the Iranian-Shia alliance rather than the Sunnite, jihadi-supporting Gulf states (even to the point of supporting ISIS over secular leader like Assad)? Lower IQed peoples can't be a strategic threat and develop sophisticated weapons.

    This is an interesting theory but I don’t think it’s ultimately true.

    Israel had exceptionally good relations with the Shah. They also continue to have good relations with Azerbaijan.

    That said I’m sure you’re right about the ISIS-specific angle. A united Syrian state, even weak as it might be, is still a far more potent threat than any number of Islamist warlords running about.

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    • Replies: @iffen
    Israel has done very well in its wars with other states.

    The last war with a non-state foe gave them all they wanted.

    I am skeptical of the idea that Israel wants to destabilize and break up all the ME states.
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  • I wonder if this is why Israel is so fixated on the Iranian-Shia alliance rather than the Sunnite, jihadi-supporting Gulf states (even to the point of supporting ISIS over secular leader like Assad)? Lower IQed peoples can’t be a strategic threat and develop sophisticated weapons.

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    This is an interesting theory but I don't think it's ultimately true.

    Israel had exceptionally good relations with the Shah. They also continue to have good relations with Azerbaijan.

    That said I'm sure you're right about the ISIS-specific angle. A united Syrian state, even weak as it might be, is still a far more potent threat than any number of Islamist warlords running about.
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  • I believe that the custom of marriage to a niece has been common in Judaism in the past. Abraham, for example, probably married his niece. The next two generations married cousins.

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