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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
  • […] communists, and nationalists) Vladimir Putin as a civic nationalist and his economic policies The 5 Types of Russian American Misconception that Americans and Westerners have about Russia The Soviet Parallels of Fishtown’s […]

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  • За нас за вас и за десант и за спецназ! The Red Army was the single greatest contributor to the defeat of Nazi Germany sixty-four years ago, a truly evil empire based on slavery and oppression, and responsible for the genocide of millions of Slav civilians, Jews, Soviet POW's and Roma by gas, bullets and...
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  • I developed a model on Russia's future demographic development in Matlab. First, I will describe (non-mathematically) the essentials of how it works; then I will present a range of different possible scenarios. Our data is sourced from Rosstat and the Human Mortality Database. Demography is a social science, and as such it is impossible to...
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  • This post tries to debunk some popular, but misguided, views on demographic trends in today's Russia. These consist of the perception that Russia is in a demographic "death spiral" that dooms it to national decline (Biden, Eberstadt, NIC, CIA, Stratfor, etc). Some extreme pessimists even predict that ethnic Russians - ravaged by AIDS, infertility and...
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    На мій погляд, все дещо простіше. По-перше. Росія – велика країна. Її розпад принесе багато незрозумілих речей, і переділ світу. По-друге. Територія Росії. Яким чином і як? По-третє, вимирають не лише росіяни. По-четверте? Варіанти виходу ? Клімат змінюється. Що там, у нас? Те, що Росія агресор, я не заперечую. Але ХТО її зробив такою? Хід історії? Підказати? Правда? Єропа. Це та Європа, яка мовчки сиділа і дивилася на Гітлера. І та ж Америка . Ми отримуємо результат від своїх дій. А потім запитуємо : як це сталося? А отак і сталося. Одні сиділи і дивилися на Австрію, інші на Польщу, ще інші на Чехію та Францію. А потім зявилися фашисти і прийшла війна. І вся Єрропа зробила вигляд, що не бачить .? Знайоме?Віє тридцятими? І до яких пір? Українці війну виграють.Я в цьому не сумінваюся. Але європейці , мабуть, уроки війни не вивчили. На жаль. Ерцгеогори…. вбивства…

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  • Excellent write-up. I certainly appreciate this site.
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  • Via The Economist, I've come across some fascinating research by Orley Ashenfelter and Stepan Jurajda (Comparing Real Wage Rates, 2012) showing how real wages can be meaningfully compared across different regions by taking notes on prices and wages in McDonald's restaurants. The methodology seems solid. Big Macs are a very standardized product, hence they are...
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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
  • @Scowspi
    Hats off, sir – this is another Karlin Klassic post.

    Being now in the Chicago area again after several years in Moscow, I see 4 of your 5 categories in evidence here (in America’s most Slavic city). The missing category is White Russians: there are undoubtedly a few around here, but they are not numerous enough to form a distinct community. My vague impression is that category 2 is the largest, and that many other “Russians” are actually Ukrainian or some other type of post-Soviet. It’s largely a cultural/linguistic identity. It would be interesting to do a regional breakdown as to who lives where. You mentioned Brighton Beach (a rather obvious example), but Orthodox (or White) Russians have formed communities in some places that seem unlikely on the surface, like Florida. (A friend of mine, now a fairly well-known editor/foreign policy analyst, came from a Florida-based Russian family.)

    A minor (but telling) point: Sergei Dovlatov didn’t consider himself a dissident (his political credo was “After Communists, I hate anti-Communists the most”). Also, he was half-Armenian. I mention this just to blur your categories a little.

    “(in America’s most Slavic city)”

    Other Great Lakes cities also have large Polish-American populations.

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  • @AP
    Almost every American family has a car - even very many (but not all) poor people. The poor just have old cars that require frequent repairs (so from the perspective of auto ownership poor Americans are like Soviet-era middle class Russians with Moscvitch cars which required frequent repairs even while new). In America there are over 800 cars per thousand people (including elderly and children who cannot drive). I suspect that virtually 100% of people in the top 80% of income own cars, who need them (Manhattanites don't) and even among the poor, half probably have them. Only truly indigent ones - many of whom are chronic mentally ill or alcoholics or junkies - as a rule don't have them.

    You are correct that living without a car in the USA, other than in the urban pockets, is like being handicapped.

    One young civil engineer in my office briefly relied on public transportation and the Zipcar car-sharing service, here in Chicago. I relied on public transportation and the occasional rental myself for about five years when I was a lot younger than I am now, also in Chicago. My aunt and uncle, with three kids, on the Southwest Side, did the same in the 1950s and 1960s (when bus lines ran all night long, and very frequently; only a few still do.) Very few middle class people do this, and in all three cases above, we relented and bought cars, although my aunt and uncle kept up the practice for 20 years, more or less. It’s almost unknown outside the big cities.

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  • @AP
    Very nice, very accurate article. I have known all of those types of people you've mentioned, although my wife and many people whom we know are none of those (well, very loosely "eggheads" - students who came in on scholarships rather than adult professors).

    You could also mention the kids of politicians/gangsters who came over in the pre-Putin era, I knew quite a few when I was an undergraduate in the early 90's. These guys' parents paid for their kids' tuition with cash. They never studied, obviously, but bought cars with cash and no drivers' licenses, (in the early 90's the elites' kids could afford new Corollas, not new BMWs), shoplifted like crazy even though they didn't have to, brawled with Americans, listened to Sektor Gaza, used "bled" as every other word, etc. Many returned to Russia or the other republics and their fortunes have grown tremendously since that time. The "eggheads" - students on scholarships, as well as professors, at the university really felt embarrassed by them.

    How much better is a BMW than a Toyota anyway?

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  • @Alex
    Oh - forgot the most important "Sovok" quality - they won't call anyone "Sir"

    Sir, or Ma’am, as the case may be, is a good name for someone you don’t know from Adam, or Eve, as the case may be. It’s better than “Hey, you!” I remember a George Will column where he quotes a Frenchman saying, in astonishment, ‘In America, they call waiters “Sir!”‘

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  • Two weeks ago, I received a Facebook message from Kim Zigfeld, she of the infamous La Russophobe, asking me if I was interested in an interview with her. It didn't take long for me to come to the wrong decision! And so commenced our interview. It was a long grind. After ceaseless goings back and...
  • So why do you think it was the wrong decision? It was hilarious.

    I was once presented with a link to La Russophobe blog, and it looked suspicious to me. From now on, I’ll have this interview – whenever anybody tries to use La Russophobe as a serious source, I’ll just link to this interview, devastating its credibility.

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  • За нас за вас и за десант и за спецназ! The Red Army was the single greatest contributor to the defeat of Nazi Germany sixty-four years ago, a truly evil empire based on slavery and oppression, and responsible for the genocide of millions of Slav civilians, Jews, Soviet POW's and Roma by gas, bullets and...
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    AK edit: I deleted most of this post, but left the first few paragraphs since observing the rantings of this deranged mind really is quite amusing.

    I agree with Jake Kilgore et al. You communist pigs (I know, you deny who you really are like all commies). You lying commie swine are totally misinformed about every aspect of WW2. All you know is the worn out Soviet lies (circa 1920-2015) that you puke out. Thanks to all the commie traitors in the USA, from obama on down, your puke is repeated 24-7 by America’s propaganda army known as the television, academic, government, motion pictures and print media…a colossus of atavistic commie propaganda that has turned most Americans into sheeple.
    I am not an American patriot. I see the average american as a greedy, fat, and ignorant coward who has no principles, no ideology and is not worth a damn. That’s why the one party system of tyranny controls America today.
    When I read you smug , arrogant, race-traitor commies’ marxist-praying/braying for the blacks/moslems and latinos to enslave us, my blood boils. There are enough hard people like me to nuke you and your commie brethren here. Neither of you deserve to continue your tyranny. Oh Lord deliver to us our enemies! Bring it own swine!
    What about Stalin’s attempt to form an army of cross-bred russkis and chimpanzees (since you are so similar in morals and intelligence, e.g. russpanzees) so that he could wipe white western civilization off the map?
    What about the fact that the Russkis are so barbarically atheistic that they left the Red Army’s rotting corpses that turned to bleached bones, on WW2 battlefields from 1941 until the mid nineties?
    Message to all reds on this site: Go ahead and demand proof of my las ttwo statements. I have it chapter and verse. My proof is much better than the commie US media that covered up your evil for so long, with lies!

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  • [Repeat of comment elsewhere as is even more relevant here]

    The claim that three quarters of German air losses (let alone 77,000 fighters) were in the East is quite false. The Germans never remotely had that many aircraft of all types there to start with. In fact Luftwaffe strength (at any given point) and losses (per year) were about 3000 (with strength declining to a bit over 2000 by mid ’43) in the east, see eg here:

    http://chris-intel-corner.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/eastern-front-aircraft-strength-and.html

    Figures vary a bit by source but that is the ball-park.

    From 1943 on most German air strength and losses are in the west, see eg here:

    http://simhq.net/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1135719/1/Some_Facts_about_German_Aircra.html

    This illustrates the problem with taking Soviet or pro-Soviet Russian figures at face value, some of them are pure propaganda, even if believed by those quoting them.

    Also ground forces/losses, whilst indeed much heavier in the east, by late 1944 were becoming rather more even (counting the Italian front plus the West), and by the end of the war the prisoner hauls in the west were bigger than the east, partly because of the preference to surrender there, but also because Hitler directed large forces there in the last year especially to halt the Western Allies.

    Lend-Lease was important not only in the first 18 months, but later gave the Red Army much of the operational mobility (hundreds of thousands of trucks especially) and key supplies that enabled it to inflict such deep blows on the Axis forces, as even Zhukov admitted.

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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
  • @reiner Tor
    I don't know how many Indians there were in the Americas at the time of Columbus's arrival, and I'm sure nobody knows much about it (I think most plausible recent estimates put it at around 50 million or so), but I'm sure the other commenter's main point stands: it was the diseases that killed that many Indians, not the white settlers.

    Best recent estimates are 5 to 10 million Indians at contact with Europeans. Disease was the biggest killer. There are now around 5 million Indians “enrolled”as tribal members, probably another 2 million not enrolled, and at least 30 million Americans with Indian blood. Tiger Woods, Jimi Hendrix, and Heather Locklear being examples.

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  • @AP
    You can add another group, probably unfamiliar to the circles posting here: Protestant refugees. Many of them are from Ukraine, but they are Russian-speaking. They claimed religious persecution and, probably with the help of politically-connected American coreligionists, didn't have trouble immigrating. They are Bapitsts or Pentacostals, have 6 or more children per family. There are large communities of them in Sacramento, Washington state, North Carolina and western Massachusetts. These people are usually poorly educated, from rural areas. They maintain the Russian language, tend to marry within their communities, but have little in common with, and do not mix with, the types of Rusians you have written about.

    There are groups of Russian and Ukrainian refugees in Alaska who fit this category. They tend to live in rural areas of the state. Their behavior is sometimes pretty barbaric….even by Alaska standards. And yet there’s another interesting group: The Old Believers. They began settling in Oregon in 1938 and now number around 5000 there. While becoming Americanized they’ve maintained many Old Believer cultural traits. I took my driver’s license test in Russian in Woodburn, Oregon. In the late 60s a group of Old Believers, believing they were loosing their ways in Oregon, started a colony in Alaska called Nikolaevsk. There are now several predominantly Old Believer small towns in Alaska. I recently watched a basketball game where the Nikolaevsk girls trounced an Eskimo village school known for its hoops prowess. Old Believer girls in basketball uniforms with no covering over their hair would have been unthinkable 30 years ago. The Russian government has been sending people to Old Believer communities to invite them to return to Russia. I talked to a fisherman who said they’d visited his family and he said “no dice!”

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  • @International Jew
    A hundred million Indians?! Are you sure it wasn't billions? Trillions? If you're gonna go big, then go big!

    Were there 100 million people in all of Europe even, in 1492?

    I don’t know how many Indians there were in the Americas at the time of Columbus’s arrival, and I’m sure nobody knows much about it (I think most plausible recent estimates put it at around 50 million or so), but I’m sure the other commenter’s main point stands: it was the diseases that killed that many Indians, not the white settlers.

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    Best recent estimates are 5 to 10 million Indians at contact with Europeans. Disease was the biggest killer. There are now around 5 million Indians "enrolled"as tribal members, probably another 2 million not enrolled, and at least 30 million Americans with Indian blood. Tiger Woods, Jimi Hendrix, and Heather Locklear being examples.
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  • @yalensis
    Dear Leon:
    A figure of 30 million dead native Americans is too low. Recent studies suggest the entire American continent was fully populated prior to European arrival, possibly as high as 100 o 120 million people. (The same number as there are citizens of the Russian Federation.) There was barely any patch of ground in North America that was not settled and landscaped by thousands of years of native American cultivation.
    Based on this, it would have been impossible for the Europeans to kill that many native Americans, even if they wanted to (which they probably did). To be sure, Europeans had slightly better technology, including gunpowder. But that doesn’t matter much. Humans are smart little monkeys, and technology is instantly transferrable, hence if the settlers had guns, then native Americans would have guns too. (If the settlers had arrived with smart phones, then the Indians would have been using smart phones within, like, 30 minutes.)
    The Indians were better fighters and better organized than the ragtag settlers. Once they got guns they would be unstoppable. Therefore, modern studies suggest that the main killer of Indians was not genocide per se, but rather plague. Plague of unprecedented proportions. (Probably smallpox.) Plague that literally killed 100 million people and conveniently “emptied” the continent for the settlers. There are many links out there supporting this theory.
    After reading about this plague, I did feel somewhat mollified and less critical of the Europeans. Murderous as they were, they did not commit this crime. At least not knowingly. They just brought their germs with them. Recent studies show the plague began immediately upon their arrival, for example all of Squanto’s tribe in Roanoke died off, and he just happened to be the sole survivor because he was busy travelling at the time.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/apocalypic-mysterious-plague-killed-millions-of-native-americans-the-1500s

    A hundred million Indians?! Are you sure it wasn’t billions? Trillions? If you’re gonna go big, then go big!

    Were there 100 million people in all of Europe even, in 1492?

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    I don't know how many Indians there were in the Americas at the time of Columbus's arrival, and I'm sure nobody knows much about it (I think most plausible recent estimates put it at around 50 million or so), but I'm sure the other commenter's main point stands: it was the diseases that killed that many Indians, not the white settlers.
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  • @Leon Lentz
    Concerning your classification item "Sovok Jews": it is an offensive term, because "Sovok" has a negative connotation, in fact, many Jews were dissidents and certainly do not want to be identified with "Sovok". There are those who actually like the former USSR, but would not assume that label because "Sovok" is a term of contempt and the juxtaposition of this term with word " Jew" does sound somewhat anti Semitic. Since you are 10% Jewish and you use this classification, I wonder if there is a subconscious self loathing there?

    Would you please explain the etymology of “Sovok”? Wiktionary says совок is a dustpan, but I sense there’s more to it than that…Sov[ietsky] + ?.

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  • За нас за вас и за десант и за спецназ! The Red Army was the single greatest contributor to the defeat of Nazi Germany sixty-four years ago, a truly evil empire based on slavery and oppression, and responsible for the genocide of millions of Slav civilians, Jews, Soviet POW's and Roma by gas, bullets and...
  • The last comment was a bit harsh in tone perhaps, due to a certain anger at some claims in the article, in future I will be more restrained and deal mainly with the military aspects, which are not so inflammatory or salient, after some further reading of works not consulted for a while. Good to see you showed the guts to keep it up however.

    Btw I don’t contest that the Soviets had a hell of a hard war and took the bulk of the losses etc, though the Western Allied role was still a substantial component overall, especially by late 1944. And that there were aspects of justice in the cause – along with a lot of injustice – especially at the top, for which ordinary Russians also paid a high price. And that the Russians (who are almost the only ones to still celebrate the “Great Patriotic War” as such – the rest having left the nation it refers to technically) have some right to celebrate the victory, which did represent the survival of their nation and even people in fair part. But not in a way (sometimes) generally and grossly demeaning to the descendants and memories of their opponents, most of whom were ordinary people too in terrible circumstances beyond their control, as well as to the sheer facts in some cases. Hardcore criminal racists and fascists were indeed deserving of death and disgrace, but they were a small minority, just as were the hardline Communists. And whilst refusing to accept denial or minimization of the real crimes of Stalin and his cronies, and even some ‘ordinary people’ under them that were also caught up in events beyond their control or understanding, I also apply the same standard to the others too, including the Western Allies who certainly had plenty of blood on their hands – I don’t single out Russia by any means. But the Sovietic triumphalist propaganda style (which may seem normal to some who grew up under its influence) is out of date and not acceptable either in this day and age, what’s needed is a more nuanced and realistic view that accepts the dark with the light, as the facts decree, and also the grey in-between. There is still enough left over to satisfy reasonable requirements and even pride, after all, the Soviets won, after being attacked first and coming to the brink of destruction, and Germany and its allies were the ones crushed. But a whitewash of a brutal regime and actual crimes won’t do, for any nation, and least of all one that lays claim to a higher righteousness of any sort (Russia is not alone there of course).

    And to repeat, Soviet figures were often rather off the mark, for obvious reasons, and while Western figures are not always to be trusted at face value either, a more critical and careful approach needs to be taken with such matters. Certainly this is the case also with the partisan war, where much destruction was caused by the large and ruthless (by Stalin’s command) partisan forces, who often engaged in reprisals and the like against ‘collaborators’ etc, well documented in some cases. That is not to deny that the Axis actions in this regard were even greater by a good margin. Yet according to the standard Sovietic line, all such destruction was inflicted only by the Fascists, and sometimes with a margin of exaggeration added in as to the total extent. Such an approach will convince only ideologues, hyper-patriots and fools, not a good standard to pitch at.

    A general point on relative numbers (details will have to wait), the Axis forces WERE greatly outnumbered overall after 1942-3, usually by 2/3-1 across the front (increasing over time), and rather larger ratios in the sectors of main fighting, and air power, armour and artillery. Glantz for one gives a good overview of this, and he is certainly not anti-Soviet. Only in 1941-early 43 was there some sort of vague parity at times, and most of the Axis allies were second-rate at best in terms of military effectiveness, sometimes much worse. By 1945 the disparity was truly hopeless, and the soldiers who were expected indeed ordered on pain of death to stand up to such a steamroller by then are to be pitied if anything, in human terms if not politically.

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  • Wow I am shocked by this Sovietic propaganda that is both badly wrong on a number of points and in fact quite offensive also in some of its statements, especially for those who lost relatives at the hands of the Soviets too. It is however typical of the sort of thing that passes for standard in pro-Russian circles, and illustrative of why many are still so suspicious of Russia. That the Eastern Front was the main theatre on land is not in doubt, but the one-sidedness of this piece is no better than what it attacks on the other side. Whilst it’s fair to point out shortcomings in Western coverage of the war, it’s not fair to substitute for it something just as flawed or even more. And uncritically accepting Soviet claims of numbers etc is just fallacious, for various reasons. I don’t have time now to critique every point, but I will mention a few howlers.

    This “albeit it is currently fashionable to castigate them for killing 600,000 people who by and large had no problem with waging a war of extermination responsible for tens of millions of deaths on the Eastern Front” is appalling. Most of those killed in the bombing were old people, women and children, who moreover had no awareness of any “war of extermination” being waged, let alone power to do anything about it if they did. The war was presented as a defensive war against a treacherous enemy, in heroic terms in the propaganda, which many did not bother much with anyway. But to try and dismiss any sympathy for such victims by implying they basically deserved it is obscene, and makes me quite angry. Was the young teenage girl relative of mine killed in a bombing raid a deserved victim because she “had no problem with a war of extermination blah blah blah”? If you think that then you are the one ok with extermination.

    The justification of Soviet actions in Eastern Europe, the German parts especially but not exclusively, is just as bad. Several million civilians went missing as the Red Army swept through, and in the immediate aftermath at the hands of the pro-Soviet allies, along with mass rape often accompanied by mutilation and murder (attested by Soviet witnesses also). To try and justify it (as Stalin did) by claims of hard fighting etc is not acceptable, the Germans had also had lots of hard fighting by the time they got deep into Russia, in several campaigns, and seen and heard of mass Soviet atrocities, with a lot of bombing at home, but that doesn’t justify their atrocities. And most Soviet troops never saw the death camps, which had long ceased operation, and the atrocities started well before they were ‘liberated’ anyway (or what was left of them). And many of the destroyed villages etc were the result of Soviet partisans (who fought ruthlessly from the start), barrages, etc. Soviet propaganda blamed it all on the Germans, who certainly did much damage, but far from all. As for the Soviet civilian toll it is highly variable according to source and period, but a substantial portion of it was at the hands of Stalin not Hitler, and admitted as such even by some Russians, though of course most was in Hitler’s zone of control. Several million starved to death during the war under Stalin’s authority, due to his harsh rule and command choices, on top of the Gulag, deportations, executions etc. And as for actual POW’s, not only are recent Russian figures rather reduced, to 1.28 million according to Krivosheev (who strangely you quote elsewhere but not on this), others he assumes were part of the civilian toll, but also the highest percentage of losses was actually Italians in Soviet captivity, at 80+ percent. There’s more, but it will take other posts to detail it, if you can take it, another time.

    Make no mistake, I sympathise with the sufferings of the Russians in WW2, and at other times, and despise the savage aspects of the Nazi rule especially, but I also despise the savagery of Stalinist rule, and apologetics for it, which are little better in my opinion than those for the Nazis, and are a false attempt to portray Stalin and his regime as basically ‘the good guys’, which is BS. He was a mass murderer and torturer second only to Hitler if that, and a willing collaborator with him for 22 months. The ordinary Russian may have been largely innocent of it, but so were the average people everywhere, including in Germany, most of who never voted for Hitler in a free election anyway. The more of this sort of one-sided propaganda that comes out of Russia and from Russians, the more people will be suspicious of both, and the more Russia will sink into a deluded view of things that can only end badly.

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    Stephen Zaloga checked Wehrmacht data and found that Germans lost 35% of their armor (tanks, assault guns and tankdestroyers) against western allies. Some other documents have estimated that Luftwaffe lost about 50% of their aircraft in west and south. German Navy lost 95% of tons of ships against western allies. Western allies captured three times more German soldiers than Red Army. What’s OKW:n loss figures KIA, MIA, WIA until December 1944 suggest that 33% of German losses really came against western allies.

    On the other hand even Marshall Zhukov admitted in 1960′s that “without western aid [lend lease] Soviets would not have managed to create their strategic reserves” and “continued the war”. In autumn 1943 65% of Luftwaffe dayfighters were fighting against just one single allie unit – 8th US Air Force. Think about that.

    So when we talk about German losses and defeat we should never forget both Red Army and especially magnificiant American economic and military potential. It looks like German losses came 35% in west and south and 65% in east. Western allies paid the price of some 500 000 death soldiers while Soviet official figures are showing 10 million military deaths or like David Glantz have estimated some 14 700 000 military deaths (during the war and soon after the war[died in wounds] etc).

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  • At certain venues, “Russophiles” take a lot of flak for holding the beliefs and worldviews that they do. Many of their “arguments” can be predicted in advance based on prior experience. I’ve compiled a list of quick rebuttals to some common Russophobe accusations and insinuations so that we don’t have to waste our time formulating...
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    @Gregor
    Good article Anatoly

    ‘This situation involves a certain kind of “Russophobe” argument with a strawman, red herring aspect and myth (pro-Russian automatically equals left leaning).’

    The idea that one must be left wing to support Russia is indeed very common. Once someone used a quasi-argument (that Putin is like Hitler and Ossetia is the Sudetenland). When I attacked this, they responded ‘someone clearly hasn’t told Gregor that Russia isn’t socialist anymore’.

    And the Hitler/ appeasement argument is very common. Maybe it is because I am British that the ‘Hitler’ argument comes up so often in stuff I read. The British media is largely dominated by people called ‘decents’: insane neo-liberals . They are so humourlessly self-righteous that I do not know if this is their own term or one mocking them, but someone made this excellent website (http://decentpedia.blogspot.com/) making fun of their arguments. I especially liked this:

    http://decentpedia.blogspot.com/2007/08/hitler.html

    The flip side of this is that those of us who do not want confrontation with Russia, refused to line up to kiss Saakashvilli’s behind, are ‘appeasers’ or like ‘Chamberlain’.

    Incidentally, Pat Buchanan wrote the perfect rebuttal to this argument, stating that Chamberlain’s greatest mistake was making offers he couldn’t honour to unstable, expansionist regimes. Incidentally, many Americans also frequently speak of ‘Chamberlain at Munich’, perhaps without knowing that they were uninterested in Europe at the time.

    I think British Russophobia is in a sense more disturbing than American, because I think there is an element of displacement. Anyone who questions the free market/ the USA is attacked, yet Britain increasingly resembles a poor imitation of America (to paraphrase an old Soviet joke, the British and Americans are very similar, because the Americans think America is the greatest country on earth and the British think that America is the greatest country on earth). Vladimir Putin brought to his people a message of national pride. Whilst he saw a massive increase in the Middle Class and small businesses, he does not have a religious belief in the Free Market. For this he is pilloried as a nationalist/ fascist/ communist by the British media, perhaps out of anger that Russia has achieved so much whilst Britain has been stagnating.

    ‘One example was a Russian university student in Brighton, the UK, who contacted me on behalf of the Russian Society there to request permission to print out and distribute copies of my Top 10 Russophobe Myths article during a talk by veteran hate-monger Ed Lucas’

    Good to hear. But Ed’s own words often trip him up. I especially liked the way that he plugged his book in The Guardian and The Times simultaneously. In The Guardian, he wrote ‘capitalism is amoral almost immoral’, whilst the focus in The Times was Bad Vlad’s shameful treatment of Khodorkhovsky.


    Incidentally, one more ‘argument’ I often see is that being pro-Russian means disloyalty to one’s own country. In fact, those who want to force Britain into confrontations are generally those who want to enslave the British people. Our so-called ‘war on terror’ could better be described as a ‘war on British liberty’. Sometimes I wonder if our leaders have read 1984 for all the wrong reasons…


    Lastly, I find the term ‘Russophobe’ itself slightly questionable. Whilst La Russophobe seems to be just that, it seems that the majority of Russophobes believe that ‘Vladimir Putin’ has been rolling back liberty, capitalism and democracy. Implicitly this offers blind faith in the neo-liberal Yeltsin who never had a democracy, who shelled his own parliament, who destroyed Russia’s economy, who was re-elected entirely through lies and who was largely responsible for the mess in Chechnya.

    While I am glad to have found Da Russophile, I object to the use by both AK and others to describe the West as having “free market” societies. As a “White” (see the 5 types), I know darned well that mid-19th Century thinkers such as Marx planted the seeds of American “Progressivism” which has eaten away at freedom here – market and otherwise. Free markets are those in which the government does not intervene. That “robber barons” bought politicians in the late 19th Century in the U.S. is not “free market” but, as in Russia of recent years, a form of corruption. Americans in the first 2/3 of the 19th Century followed the MYOB – with their neighbors and other countries. America’s Founders (for the most part) believed in the ideal of “trade with everyone and leave their internal affairs to themselves”. It was messianic, watered-down Marxism that combined with America’s (and Britain’s) Protestantism that lead to a reinterpretation of Tocqueville’s comment about what made America exceptional (which was about the individual American’s giving respect to others, until there was reason to do otherwise, up front and without reference to station in life or hierarchy). “American Exceptionalism”, as it has been interpreted in more recent times, is about “spreading democracy” – an interventionist form of left liberalism.

    And as for AK’s dismissal of the “Stalin is worse than Hitler”, the fact that a) he was a Georgian and b) his policies – economic and social (e.g., resettlement, the root of arrests sending millions to the Gulag as well as collectivization) – did lead to tens of millions of deaths. That is different from gas chambers, yes, but “worse” is a subjective evaluation. As someone who thinks causing death (and Stalin was a true believer, so the whole “breaking eggs” – euphemism for causing deaths – was something he took to heart – if “class enemies” couldn’t be taught through maltreatment to conform to the then-new Socialist reality and died, oh, well , , , ), I think there is no difference. The “worse” is simply numerical – Stalin managed to cause more death among his own fellow imperial citizens than Hitler.

    The world would be a much freer place if everyone at every level pursued MYOB as their philosophy rather than encouraging control-freakishness to “better” Man or Man’s condition. It is sad that the West fell victim to Marx and other “Progressive” ideas – ideas which simply meant changing the people populating the aristocracy . . . proving that the feudal aristocrats right all along: those preaching against them merely wanted to change places with them (now it parades as “meritocracy”, but it still means a small “enlightened” elite dominates and controls the “masses” – former peasant serfs).

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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
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    Funny, although far too stereotypical. Author seems to have had a bitter personal experience with some Jewish woman and that makes him appear a bit too biased. Not sure what category our family falls into. In the 90s I was hired from Kazan by a German company & after several years working in Eastern Europe was transferred to the US. My wife was born in Boston, her Jewish parents came from Piter. Contrary to the “Sovok Jew” stereotype, they very much dislike USSR and like Russia, although with reservations – love the culture, are rather cautious about the ethnic Russians – it took a while for them to warm up to the prospect of me marrying their daughter. I understand why, too, one didn’t have to be Jewish to observe casual private and government sponsored anti-Semitism in 70s and 80s USSR (a very short sighted and idiotic policy, directed at the segment of population that valued education, and were willing to assimilate, given a chance).

    In my conversations with the people who came here in the 70s (mostly Jewish, but there was also a number of Armenians and Russians) I got a feeling that they aren’t as much “pro-Sovok” as have nostalgic feelings to the time and place of their youth, I’m yet to meet anyone who thinks USSR was a viable country.

    They do, for most part, have a dim view of modern Russia and Putin. I think they have that vivid mental picture of the 90s Russia in mind, and it’s hard for them to realize just how much had changed in the last 10-15 years. As for Putin, I am not sure I have much love for the guy myself; his biggest achievement was to end the 90s and to bring stability and some form of prosperity to the tired populace; but lately he seems to be willingly rocking the boat and trying to boost his ratings at the expense of that very prosperity.

    Anyway, it was a fun read, but does come out as overly simplistic (which is fine) and biased (which is not too cool)

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  • За нас за вас и за десант и за спецназ! The Red Army was the single greatest contributor to the defeat of Nazi Germany sixty-four years ago, a truly evil empire based on slavery and oppression, and responsible for the genocide of millions of Slav civilians, Jews, Soviet POW's and Roma by gas, bullets and...
  • All of these are true, the fighting in the west paled in comparison to the fighting in the east, and the Nazi treatment of Soviet prisoners of war was far more terrible than Soviet treatment of German soldiers. My only problem is that I think you distorted the numbers a little in myth 2, official reports read that two times more Soviets died than Germans. It’s not really about “Asiatic hordes” it’s more about the fact that Stalin just didn’t care about his own troops. Not trying to make the Nazis look good or anything but the Nazis valued German troops more because they were of pure “Aryan” blood. In Hitlers eyes they were part of the superior race whereas everyone who wasn’t Aryan was considered a sub-human to be exterminated. Nevertheless, Hitler did have some respect for the lives of German people, just not the lives of anyone else. Stalin literally didn’t care about the lives of anyone, whether they were German, Russian, or anyone in-between.

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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
  • Good article. It’s so true )) May be, it is a little bit outdated so far.
    Does anyone know how many Russian-speaking people are in the Bay Area?

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  • The next installment of our Watching the Russia Watchers series at S/O features an interview with Peter Lavelle, the main political analyst at the Russia Today TV network, host of its CrossTalk debate show and Untimely Thoughts blogger. (He also has a Wikipedia page!) Peter is opposed to Western media hegemony, considering it neither fair...
  • @Anonymous
    So, good old Pete is addicted to caffeine and cigarettes, which goes a long way toward explaining his on-air combativeness.

    Lavalle and RT are virtually indistinguishable from Fox News in terms of their approach to reporting and commentary. Fox is a right-wing mouthpiece for the conservatives and the Republican Party. RT is a left-wing mouthpiece for Putin and the Russian government. No difference. Other than ideology, the methods and approaches are exactly the same. Outrage over what the opposition does, a blind eye toward their own shortcomings and outrages, and absolutely no sense of irony about it whatsoever.

    In the major foreign policy issues especially Russia and the Balkans I don’t see any significant difference in how the media portrays issues.

    Not that there is not significant things to criticise about Russia especially his disastrous policy in Ukraine but it seems with an investigation just getting underway they already know the pro-Russian separatists shot down the plane and that Putin supplied the missile.

    https://twitter.com/stevenson_mac/status/492010529502674945/photo/1

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    So, good old Pete is addicted to caffeine and cigarettes, which goes a long way toward explaining his on-air combativeness.

    Lavalle and RT are virtually indistinguishable from Fox News in terms of their approach to reporting and commentary. Fox is a right-wing mouthpiece for the conservatives and the Republican Party. RT is a left-wing mouthpiece for Putin and the Russian government. No difference. Other than ideology, the methods and approaches are exactly the same. Outrage over what the opposition does, a blind eye toward their own shortcomings and outrages, and absolutely no sense of irony about it whatsoever.

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    In the major foreign policy issues especially Russia and the Balkans I don’t see any significant difference in how the media portrays issues.

    Not that there is not significant things to criticise about Russia especially his disastrous policy in Ukraine but it seems with an investigation just getting underway they already know the pro-Russian separatists shot down the plane and that Putin supplied the missile.

    https://twitter.com/stevenson_mac/status/492010529502674945/photo/1

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  • Here is the article, by Nick Cohen. And below are the two comments (one by myself) that were censored. I have corrected a few grammatical points in this post. They were eventually restored, wonder of wonders, but only after two days - and therefore all interest - had passed, and after I had sent an...
  • I was banned by the guardian. Mainly for comments made about Islam – presumably deemed to be ‘Islamophopic’?
    (whatever that means)

    There is no way people can have a free debate on that website which is a shame. Now I need to comment via vpn or by spoofing ip address etc which is ridiculous considering they couch themselves as a liberal paper and espouse free speech and transparency yet hide behind Orwellian policies of conduct etc…

    ANyway prob a good thing means I can piss away my time on pointless intent discussions now LOL

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  • It's one thing if Western journalists and Yukos PR henchmen - if there is indeed any difference - shill for all they're worth about the travails of Khodorkovsky, the former oligarch doing time for fleecing the Russian Treasury to the tune of billions of dollars, charges he sooner boasts about than denies when given the...
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  • Here is the article, by Nick Cohen. And below are the two comments (one by myself) that were censored. I have corrected a few grammatical points in this post. They were eventually restored, wonder of wonders, but only after two days - and therefore all interest - had passed, and after I had sent an...
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    The Guardians censorship policy is quite extreme and is definitely political in nature. By political I mean they don’t just censor crank comments, they also censor views that contradict the columnist.
    I consider myself a reasonable person, well read, interested in many things. I love reading intelligent well made comments and endeavor to do the same myself. My comments are often well received which is very encouraging. So I’m not a troll or a bitter person with a gripe, I’m not a contrarian and nor do I hold extreme views. I thought the comment section of the Guardian was a great idea, free speech for the everyone, then I realized their idea of free speech is a trendy luxury for their columnists and apologists only, they don’t really believe my right to free speech(and everyone elses) is as important. They behave like fascists, in my opinion, which I think is quite ironic. I have had many respectful comments which I believe were well articulated and non personal moderated. I find this very extreme and hurtful. I created a new account but within a day was banned from commenting on any section. I realize now they actually track the IP address.

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  • This April, Michael Bohm, editor at the Moscow Times, published the article New Kremlin Dreamers, which questioned Russia's stated intention of becoming an advanced industrial nation by 2020. I wasn't much impressed by its pessimistic assertions - for instance, regarding Russia's hopes of becoming the world's fifth largest economy by 2020, he falls into the...
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  • One of the staples of alarmist, pessimistic and/or Russophobic (not to mention Sinophobic) commentary on Russian demography* is a reworking of the yellow peril thesis. In their fevered imaginations Chinese supposedly swim across the Amur River in their millions, establish village communes in the taiga and breed prolifically so as to displace ethnic Russians and...
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  • I developed a model on Russia's future demographic development in Matlab. First, I will describe (non-mathematically) the essentials of how it works; then I will present a range of different possible scenarios. Our data is sourced from Rosstat and the Human Mortality Database. Demography is a social science, and as such it is impossible to...
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  • It's one thing if Western journalists and Yukos PR henchmen - if there is indeed any difference - shill for all they're worth about the travails of Khodorkovsky, the former oligarch doing time for fleecing the Russian Treasury to the tune of billions of dollars, charges he sooner boasts about than denies when given the...
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  • 1. For Russian orphans life is much more dangerous in Russia than in America. Let's agree to disregard the hidden subtext which implies that any country ought to give over its orphans to foreign nationals should it be ranked safer for children. Let's first examine if the claim that Russia is 39 times more dangerous...
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    While there are plenty of myths out there, and the comment about Russian orphans being 39x more likely to die in Russia was exaggerated, I find your post to create as many myths as it dispels. Your mention of Romania is misleading. They banned ALL foreign adoptions, not just adoptions by Americans. Furthermore, Russians do not commonly adopt. Based on the graph that you are using, Russians adopted a total of 7,802 children in 2009 and Americans adopted a total of 3,355 Russian children. Americans may not adopt MORE Russian children than Russians do anymore, but that doesn’t mean that Russians don’t have a low adoption rate. You are comparing Russian domestic adoption rates to US adoption rates of Russians. If you compared Russian domestic adoption rates to US domestic adoption rates you would realize that Russia does not have a high rate of adoptions.

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  • It is a pity that foreigners are not privy to the wild and wacky world of LiveJournal, Russia's premier blogging site - many prominent people have accounts there and traditions of opposition and kompromat makes for a lively stream of scandal. One recent case involved Tatyana Korchevnaya, who used to be a prominent member of...
  • […] Da Russophile (Russian). “Translation: Tatyana Korchevnaya – On Liberal Web Brigades.” Accessed April 3, 2014.  http://darussophile.com/2009/03/translation-confessions-of-russian-liberal/ […]

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  • The next installment of our Watching the Russia Watchers series at S/O features an interview with Peter Lavelle, the main political analyst at the Russia Today TV network, host of its CrossTalk debate show and Untimely Thoughts blogger. (He also has a Wikipedia page!) Peter is opposed to Western media hegemony, considering it neither fair...
  • @johnUK
    I was going to make a comment on your article on your website but you have to have a Wordpress account to post comment I would appreciate if you would change you comment policy like this blog where you could post comments without the need of a Wordpress or any other login in account it would be much appreciated.

    Sorry I thought my comment would be posted under Nanadownload – Everything for the life, Everyday tips – Watch RT, Putin’s TV Network, Call the Cops on Me talkback posting not this article.

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  • @Nanadownload – Everything for the life, Everyday tips – Watch RT, Putin’s TV Network, Call the Cops on Me
    […] personal favorite American RT host is Peter Lavelle, a toad-like man who’s become an international star for the angry basement dwelling-set. […]

    I was going to make a comment on your article on your website but you have to have a WordPress account to post comment I would appreciate if you would change you comment policy like this blog where you could post comments without the need of a WordPress or any other login in account it would be much appreciated.

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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
  • Interesting article, even though it’s a bit older. Ran across the site recently looking up Ivan Ilyin, and stuck around to read some of the commentary considering recent events. I voted White Russian, though my paternal family history is kind of complicated on the matter considering it’s hard to separate fact from fiction. All I know for sure is that my grandfather’s family came to Pennsylvania in 1920 (the year he was born) to escape the chaos of the Civil War and the approaching Red Army, and assimilated but passed on that we were supposed to support the Tsars.

    BTW, I noticed this group in the Pacific Northwest, but there’s a sizable group of Russian Baptists and Pentecostals up there. I’m not sure how they fit in, but they mostly seem to have come over for religious reasons. I’m not sure if they go back or not.

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  • In response to the last part of your article – who was the Jewess that broke your heart?

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  • @a
    well its true about my parents, i am Jewish and both of parents r Jewish, but they still say in our day in ussr, i came from uzbekistan and russia and ,i do love/like living in USA more, thouh i may watch some sovok movies but only for entertainment and some haha's , ran from anti Semitism in 1990s in 97 came to Brooklyn, wont change anything 95% is ok in my life

    its like hello ussr is dead and it 99 % devil, anti Jewish, anti Judaism, current russia wants USA to be second/third class, and putin is big puppet master of many minds there

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  • well its true about my parents, i am Jewish and both of parents r Jewish, but they still say in our day in ussr, i came from uzbekistan and russia and ,i do love/like living in USA more, thouh i may watch some sovok movies but only for entertainment and some haha’s , ran from anti Semitism in 1990s in 97 came to Brooklyn, wont change anything 95% is ok in my life

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  • Not often that you see Russia in some color other than bloody red on a world map of corruption or institutional quality. But according to the Open Budget Index (2012 results), the Russian budget is actually pretty transparent as far as these things go. Of the major countries, only the UK (88), France (83), and...
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A short thought: You say that objective measures are inherently better when it comes to measuring corruption, or even only suggestion which countries might have some corruption. But objective measure can only rely on data that is openly available, and corruption generally thrives when it’s hidden.

    I’m not championing the CPI, but it is an useful way (among others) to roughly measure the trust in a government – domestic or international.

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  • One of the most common tropes against Russia is that critical (independent, democratic, etc) journalists there are dying like flies, presumably because of the "culture of impunity" created by Putin or even on his express orders. It is rarely mentioned that the statistical chances of a Russian journalist dying by homicide is an order of...
  • […] procedente de numerosas fuentes, aunque en la última década, Rusia se ha convertido en un país mucho más seguro [en] para ellos (con la notable excepción del Cáucaso Norte). No obstante, es poco probable que […]

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  • […] 卡申现在主要定居于瑞士,但是他定期返回莫斯科,继续从事记者与俄罗斯政治评论员工作。俄罗斯记者持续面临多方面骚扰,尽管根据统计,近十年来俄国记者的处境比以前安全许多(北高加索除外)。然而,看着凶手逍遥法外,这些进步的数据对卡申起不了任何宽慰作用。 […]

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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
  • @Anonymous
    Theres another class that doesnt fit in....many Ive met, they arent political, arent Jews, eggheads, whites, golddiggers, but come here espousing social liberal ideas, even economic liberal ideas but the american dream kicks them in the head, their time here is increasingly spent fighting stereotypes and ignorance by other russian emigres and mostly americans. They begin missing russia, have come to terms with putin, are somewhere between supporters of navalny and putin, even some nationalists, they miss russia, they return. Some after 1-3 yrs, others after 5-10, a few after 15 yrs. What would this class be....it cannot just be my wife. We have friends,a couple in NJ since 1991, they returned after 20 yrs, artistes, not goldiggers, jews, IT, eggheads or whites. Theyre in Piter as we speak. Bring up the American Dream and they may weep or hit you. Theyre conservative, smart, educated. Another friend, none of the above, 13 yrs here, got tired of looking for good work and being on food stamps, he returned to Russia, missing teeth, bitter, detesting Jews and Caucasians. He wears a fanny pack and hates the world.Another, young, 26, defeated, none of the above, on welfare, her ex husband in prison for growing pot, she has two kids and a grandma in Siberia. Shes not political at all. Is there a type that needs to be added? "Disillusioned working class Russians destroyed by America, returning to Russia, head hung low but happy to be in Mother Russias embrace"

    But if they return could they still be called Russian-Amerians? :)

    PS. I know a couple such folks, though not closely.

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    Theres another class that doesnt fit in….many Ive met, they arent political, arent Jews, eggheads, whites, golddiggers, but come here espousing social liberal ideas, even economic liberal ideas but the american dream kicks them in the head, their time here is increasingly spent fighting stereotypes and ignorance by other russian emigres and mostly americans. They begin missing russia, have come to terms with putin, are somewhere between supporters of navalny and putin, even some nationalists, they miss russia, they return. Some after 1-3 yrs, others after 5-10, a few after 15 yrs. What would this class be….it cannot just be my wife. We have friends,a couple in NJ since 1991, they returned after 20 yrs, artistes, not goldiggers, jews, IT, eggheads or whites. Theyre in Piter as we speak. Bring up the American Dream and they may weep or hit you. Theyre conservative, smart, educated. Another friend, none of the above, 13 yrs here, got tired of looking for good work and being on food stamps, he returned to Russia, missing teeth, bitter, detesting Jews and Caucasians. He wears a fanny pack and hates the world.Another, young, 26, defeated, none of the above, on welfare, her ex husband in prison for growing pot, she has two kids and a grandma in Siberia. Shes not political at all. Is there a type that needs to be added? “Disillusioned working class Russians destroyed by America, returning to Russia, head hung low but happy to be in Mother Russias embrace”

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    But if they return could they still be called Russian-Amerians? :)

    PS. I know a couple such folks, though not closely.

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  • Natalia Zubarevich's concept of "The Four Russias" is one of the most reasoned and perceptive political analysis from the liberals, and as such I think it important enough to translate it (mostly I disagree with its core assumptions and conclusions though I do think it is a useful way of envisioning Russian politics). As such...
  • The British “creative” elite are a small politically divided minority. There are homes for “creatives” in all three main political parties and the nationalist parties of Wales and Scotland (who have always been driven forward by poets and other writers). United Russia does seem to be designed to exclude these people. It is significant that the Architects institution was the main refusal to join UR’s patriotic front but not having a home in UR is a long way from being an independent political force. In Saratov, I meet UR, LDPR and Communist supporters from all walks of life. They are sincere in their differences. I know one Prokhorov supporter. She is a human rights lawyer (adoptions and immigration) with her own NGO (rights of juvenile prisoners) funded by George Soros and is from an extremely rich family. I do not expect the “creatives” to overthrow the regime anytime soon. The article is a reprisal of Russian snobbery. Educated people in the capital cities at the top, ethnics at the bottom. This was the allowed snobbery of teh Soviet Era. Any schoolteacher would have provided the same view.

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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
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    Russian-speaking Israelis are a distinct group here in North America. They tend to mingle more with the Israeli-born immigrants than with Russians. In many cases they have not much in common with those coming directly from the former USSR except for the Russian language. Especially if they spent more than a decade in Israel, and even more if they left the USSR before it fell apart.

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  • 1. For Russian orphans life is much more dangerous in Russia than in America. Let's agree to disregard the hidden subtext which implies that any country ought to give over its orphans to foreign nationals should it be ranked safer for children. Let's first examine if the claim that Russia is 39 times more dangerous...
  • @John Newcomb
    A comment on RIA Novosti's facebook page posting yesterday about blind Russian letter-writer Natalya Pisarenko's opposition to the anti-US-adoption bill didn't weigh in with too many facts, and the commenter simply wrote:

    "We could send her to the family that previously adopted Dima Yakovlev..."

    Rather than suggesting a painful death as a response to that RIAN story of a blind Russian child, maybe the commenter could just have provided a link to your fact-filled posting?

    Are you kidding me? You want to give Russian child in a family of murderers? YOU scoundrels!

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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    It appears to be correct. This would adopted children in Russia have 4x the background death rate of children. So 1220 deaths in 5 years during 1999-2004 may well be true then.

    That however does not change the fundamental point. The figure of 19 children dead in the US (by the fault of their own adopted parents, whereas the 181 is only those who "died" - not only at the hands of their adopted parents, but also other murders, car accidents, suicides, fires, etc.), plus the fact that tracking of adoptees in the US from the Russian side pretty much ceases after the first 3 years of adoptions, means that the figures are still completely incomparable.

    This can not be true. It’s a lie. in America for 10 years, killed 19 children. In Russia in foster care killed 14 children. Americans adopted in Russia 60,000 orphans. 350,000 Russian orphans adopted. so Americans are killed Russian orphans more (much more) U.S. court systematically justifies the killers and sadists. Americans should forget about Russian children. and do not forget to remember because it is an American shame and unjustified cruelty. America does not like and does not protect Russian orphans. You must adopt American orphans. in the United States more than 500,000 orphans. More than 150,000 American orphans are waiting for adoptive parents. GOOD LUCK!

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  • One of the most common arguments made to explain why Russians don't finally overthrow the evil Putin in a bloody bunt is that they are brainwashed by the regime's TV propaganda stations. This isn't actually very accurate at all. Russian TV isn't any more propagandistic than in the West, and on some issues, less so;...
  • […] Source: Darussiafile; data from Public Opinion Foundation […]

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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
  • AK: This comment was left by “Anna,” but for some reason it wasn’t accepted and I didn’t find it in the spam filter. I’m reprinting the email she sent me:

    Lol. In actuality it’s a very skewed gradient. Although your stereotypes are largely correct, there is a tiny number of us that could easily fall through the cracks within your categories. Although mother and I immigrated in 1992, I have not once been part of local Russian kibutz community. Upon arrival I almost immediately have been thrown into forced americanization since none of our distant relatives spoke Russian. Being 15 at the time, I was stuck between a rock and a hard place since none of my high school peer groups accepted me as their own. I felt as if I was one of a kind and I kind of was. Stunningly, 3 years later I was lucky to befriend another Russian girl of similar circumstances. Needless to say we’ve been tight friends since. Though neither one of us fit into either “Russian” or “American” categories, we speak English between ourselves and feel more at home doing so. We associate more closely with Western European immigrants. I have never dated a Russian man. I married an American and our child understands some Russian, learned mostly from Grandma. My mother on the other hand is extreme example of Sovok Russian. We don’t get along; she is of extremely old-school mentality which seems to originate somewhere around post-WWII survival.

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  • Here is the article, by Nick Cohen. And below are the two comments (one by myself) that were censored. I have corrected a few grammatical points in this post. They were eventually restored, wonder of wonders, but only after two days - and therefore all interest - had passed, and after I had sent an...
  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The above massively misleads you about the extent of censorship by the “guardian”. The “~moderators~” routinely remove anything that informatively exposes real scandals. Anything and everything that informs readers about the ongoing brutality of the “religion of peace” all the way back to when it was founded by the most revolting thug in history. And everything about the millions of lives continuing to be devastated by the “harmless” dental amalgam.. They are happy to publish the nasty lies about these subjects, but anyone who posts links to the truth gets very efficiently and promptly “~moderated~” and their accounts blocked. And they certainly wouldn’t be reinstated.

    I have recorded screengrab proof of numerous instances. Here’s just one which I’ll paste below here, note the link goes to some fairly unpleasant stuff (though very mild by “religion of peace” standards).

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/ethiopian-nun-music-holy-enrapture

    bigredeye 18 August 2013 6:46pm

    God bless her.

    Do you think it is possible that the Guardian might do more articles on the treatment of nuns/Christians in the Middle-East/Muslim-majority countries? e.g.:

    http://news.yahoo.com/egypt-islamists-hit-christian-churches-235144103.html

    CAIRO (AP) — After torching a Franciscan school, Islamists paraded three nuns on the streets like “prisoners of war” before a Muslim woman offered them refuge. Two other women working at the school were sexually harassed and abused as they fought their way through a mob.

    Or do we have to wait until Stephen Fry becomes a nun?

    (I am going to be ‘moderated’ again aren’t I?)

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  • It's one thing if Western journalists and Yukos PR henchmen - if there is indeed any difference - shill for all they're worth about the travails of Khodorkovsky, the former oligarch doing time for fleecing the Russian Treasury to the tune of billions of dollars, charges he sooner boasts about than denies when given the...
  • […] In Russian poll after Russian poll, Khodorkovsky can never crack the 10% mark (link credit goes to Anatoly Karlin) when it comes to percentage of Russians who view him as a political prisoner.  Don’t forget […]

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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
  • @Anna
    Im a mix between gold digger, emigre, expat and sovok Jew: came here as married, devoted, got an engineering degree, always think how to fool somebody and was hoping to make lots of money. :)))

    I have always belonged to academia, left USSR in 1989, 9 years in Oxford, 15 years in the US. This analysis leaves a rather disgusting aftertaste.

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  • One of the most common arguments made to explain why Russians don't finally overthrow the evil Putin in a bloody bunt is that they are brainwashed by the regime's TV propaganda stations. This isn't actually very accurate at all. Russian TV isn't any more propagandistic than in the West, and on some issues, less so;...
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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Funny, but imprecise. Let’s take the White Russians, since you are putting yourself in that category and seem a little partial to it. Perhaps, you would be interested in a few minor corrections. As far as I know, all of the philosophers (already a small part of the population) stayed in France. It’s very hard to imagine the cockroach races in Berlin or Paris, at least in that time. You might have been thinking of Constantinople. Then, if we look at the timeframe, you include 1945. That kind of makes everything complicated because of WWII: Russian POWs, people forced into labor, and Nazi collaborators. Most of these people had nothing to do with the White Movement, although, of course, there were also Russian emigrants already living in Europe (who fought on both sides) and some of them ended up coming to the US. And, finally, to be fair to the other categories, you should think of a funnier name. At first I thought Pnin, but I guess that is more suitable for the contemporary inept eggheads that you describe. Vasisualy? I’m sure you can think of something if that doesn’t work.
    As far as the Jews, I have always thought that many wanted to assimilate completely or at least not stand out in Russia and be seen as Russians by others; ironically, they reached this goal in America.

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  • @Anonymous
    The last comment in regards to "angry Jew feminists" is ridiculous. You don't know what feminism is and if you call that piece angry or biased you simply know nothing about Russia.

    Out of curiosity, who linked this article on Facebook? My visitor numbers have tripled today thanks to you guys. Thanks.

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  • Vi says:

    Post is funny. Especially for that sort of articles dividing everything into 5 categories.
    The piece still looked pretty decent till the end. P.S. regarding “piece by Anna Nemtsova” oozing “angry radical feminism and lesbianism”. WTF?! I would totally agree with Natalia (Aug 2). Did you ever set foot in Russia?!
    Disclaimer: I’m female, so you may try to label me feminist, but don’t try to stick “Jew” – not Jewish, sorry, not lesbian either.
    When I go back to Moscow, it’s very apparent that at my 5’6″ I’m towering over mos of teh man in subway. Try to argue that tall man are all seating: it still will be in support of Anna Nemtsova’s article. :)
    Seriously, after US it’s very noticeable that in Russia every man, even short, none-looking, not-well-off, feels he is a catch! I have my theories why, but… well, later.
    My local friend went to 30-year school reunion and saw well-groomed, in-shape women and a couple fat, old-looking, alcoholic men, the rest of men was dead! Came back with round eyes and started taking care of his health like crazy. Is he also an “angry Jew feminist”? His impression was not much different from Anna’s.
    Anna’s description is not a rant, it’s sad reality.

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  • I agree the last piece about the Jewish feminist is atrocious. The feminism originate with suffragettes in Britain and US. What do poor Jewish girls have to do with it? Also, I’ve lived in US for 20 yrs, I never heard of the Eggheads going back or the ex-pats going back, sorry.

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  • The last comment in regards to “angry Jew feminists” is ridiculous. You don’t know what feminism is and if you call that piece angry or biased you simply know nothing about Russia.

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    Out of curiosity, who linked this article on Facebook? My visitor numbers have tripled today thanks to you guys. Thanks.
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  • Here is the article, by Nick Cohen. And below are the two comments (one by myself) that were censored. I have corrected a few grammatical points in this post. They were eventually restored, wonder of wonders, but only after two days - and therefore all interest - had passed, and after I had sent an...
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Guardian has also censored/removed my posts regarding Monsanto lawsuit and possible missile related to West Texas fertilizer plant. And now I’m unable to post at all.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/west-texas-town-fertiliser-explosion#start-of-comments

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    frispk
    20 April 2013 2:38 am
    “Before the Blast, West Fertilizer’s Monsanto Lawsuit”

    http://www.infowars.com/before-the-blast-west-fertilizers-monsanto-lawsuit/

    frispk
    20 April 2013 2:31 am
    “… Missile Used in Texas??? Closer Look @Video”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRIpB2jkCRs

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    Zhubajie –
    20 April 2013 1:04 pm
    Alex Jones has probably labeled this as a false flag terrorism incident!
    Frispk
    20 April 2013 2:39 pm
    @Zhubajie -
    Monsanto lawsuit, same day drill, missile? (see the youtube clip, think independently, connect the dots.)

    “Before the Blast, West Fertilizer’s Monsanto Lawsuit”

    http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2013/04/18/before-the-blast-west-fertilizers-monsanto-lawsuit/

    “… Missile Used in Texas??? Closer Look @Video”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRIpB2jkCRs

    “Another Official Drill Goes Live After Texas Fertilizer Plant Explosion”

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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
  • Im a mix between gold digger, emigre, expat and sovok Jew: came here as married, devoted, got an engineering degree, always think how to fool somebody and was hoping to make lots of money. :)))

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  • Warning to Krypniks family Evgeniy Sadomskiy planing to attack Krypiks family Sadomskiys are always fighting they mey rob Krypniks you be aware

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  • 1. For Russian orphans life is much more dangerous in Russia than in America. Let's agree to disregard the hidden subtext which implies that any country ought to give over its orphans to foreign nationals should it be ranked safer for children. Let's first examine if the claim that Russia is 39 times more dangerous...
  • [...] n’est pas un évènement historique et unique, puisque par exemple le blogueur Anatoly Karlin relève que les adoptions d’enfants du Guatemala ou de Roumanie sont également presque taries, pour le [...]

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  • [...] и уникальным, например, блогер Анатолий Карлин отмечает, что усыновление из Гватемалы и Румынии также почти [...]

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  • In my nearly 20 years experience as a Russian living in the West, I have found that almost all my fellows can be reduced to five basic types: 1) The White Russian; 2) The Sovok Jew; 3) The Egghead Emigre; 4) Natasha Gold-Digger; 5) Putin's Expat. My background and qualifications to write on this topic?...
  • This is a great masterpiece! I’m all happy that great Peter Lavelle told me about it. It’s so accurate and fun to read! Thank you very much. At least I’ve finally learned that I’m a Putin’s Expat after 14 years in the United States (born in Russia, raised myself in the States). I’ve never appreciated my roots, culture, Russia more than I do now. It was an easy decision to come back to a new Russia and continue my world exploration of my own home country. I just got a little bored of being established and successful in the US without really knowing my modern Russia.
    Very entertaining!!!!!!!!!!:-)

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  • One of the most common tropes against Russia is that critical (independent, democratic, etc) journalists there are dying like flies, presumably because of the "culture of impunity" created by Putin or even on his express orders. It is rarely mentioned that the statistical chances of a Russian journalist dying by homicide is an order of...
  • [...] журналистов намного хуже, чем на Западе, правда по статистическим данным все равно на аналогичном уровне с некоторыми другими [...]

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  • Not often that you see Russia in some color other than bloody red on a world map of corruption or institutional quality. But according to the Open Budget Index (2012 results), the Russian budget is actually pretty transparent as far as these things go. Of the major countries, only the UK (88), France (83), and...
  • Dear Anatoly,

    I found this a most interesting article. It reinforces a view I am starting to develop, which is that the central Russian government is most successful in combatting corruption in those areas of Russian life that are most directly under its control. Thus as your article shows Russia publishes a pretty transparent budget, it has cleaned up tax collection to a very great degree and it has it has created an effective computerised court structure to enforce contracts. I don’t want to suggest that all is well – the latest scandals racking the Defence Ministry show otherwise – but even those scandals in a sense show that the government takes corruption seriously when it discovers it within its own ranks. By contrast in other areas of Russian life where the central Russian government exercises less control the situation seems to be much worse. I noticed for example from the World Bank ease of business survey the continuing difficulties businesses have in Russia in getting themselves registered, obtaining planning permission and building permits, getting connected to the power supply, getting building contractors to do their work and getting goods they produce transported. Whilst one mustn’t make the assumption that all these problems are due to corruption (some may simply be due to poor infrastructure) I can’t help but think that they point to a culture of bribe taking at local level where payment of a bribe is often needed to get things done. Having said this, if the central government is indeed intent on cleaning up its own act and in fighting corruption generally (and everything that I have seen strongly suggests that it is) then it is only a matter of time before this starts to have an effect even at local level.

    I would just make two further points:

    1. As we both remember the batte against corruption was a central theme of Medvedev’s Presidency. It has become a cliche that this battle was lost and that no progress in fighting corruption was made. The improvements in tax collection, contract enforcement and budget transparency and the setting up of the Investigative Committee may suggest that this assessment is too harsh.

    2. I cannot agree with Donnyess that corruption got worse under Putin than it was in the 1990s. Any study of Berezovsky’s career or any reading of Paul Khlebnikov’s book or of Korzhakov’s memoirs on the contrary shows that corruption was the organising principle of political and administrative life during that period. The facts that came out in the recent case Berezovsky brought against Abramovitch in the Commercial Court in London also bear this out. Khodorkovsky’s cardinal mistake in my opinion was in not realising after Putin came to power that this disastrous period had come to an end. I have always felt that the single step Khodorkovsky took which turned the entire government apparatus and Putin himself decisively against him was his successful defeat in I think 2002 through his mass bribery of Duma deputies of a tax proposal that would have effected the energy sector including of course himself and his businesses.

    What I think is true is that in the period up to 2008 the government did not prioritise eliminating the culture of corruption that had become embedded during the 1990s. In saying this however one should not overlook how much the government in the period from 2000 to 2008 had to do. It had to restore its authority over the oligarchs and regain from them control of the economy. It had to rebuild a state administrative system that had all but collapsed over much of the country and restore the tax system which had all but ceased to function. It had to rein in various local barons who had effectively seized control of many regions and who were running them like local fiefdoms. It had to restore financial stability and the normal functioning of the economy and the government’s own finances after a disastrous period of hyperinflation, economic slump and debt default. It had to fight organised crime, which in parts of the country (including as I personally remember St. Petersburg) was at that time running amock. Last but not least and a fact that always gets forgotten, it had to fight a bitter counterinsurgency war against jihadi insurgents and Chechen separatists in the northern Caucasus. The government managed to do all of these things and did so moreover without resorting to overtly authoritarian or dictatorial methods. Even after 2008, during Medvedev’s term, it had to prioritise dealing with the world economic slump. It is not surprising if in the process the government did not give the fight against corruption its full attention. All the signs are that now it is.

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  • “It was extremely high during the 1990′s.”
    No…back then they called it “rough and tumble capitalism”. It only became corrupt when Putin and his gang of KGB pirates took over.

    “media narrative – Russia is a “mafia state”
    Russia would only be better off if it were true. The US has evolved into the worlds largest extortion racket…land of the Arnold Rothstein people with an East Detroit style gang leader as the front man. Minus Putin plus Yukos…Russia might well have become a super-sized version of Detroit.

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  • Here is the article, by Nick Cohen. And below are the two comments (one by myself) that were censored. I have corrected a few grammatical points in this post. They were eventually restored, wonder of wonders, but only after two days - and therefore all interest - had passed, and after I had sent an...
  • AK: Congratulations on getting the comment reinstated and thanks very much also for taking the time to add this post to Da Russophile. Those of us reading this and who comment on The Guardian’s CiF forums might now feel emboldened to challenge the mods if future comments of ours are deleted, knowing that it is now possible to get deleted comments restored.

    One wonders why The Guardian even printed such an article by Cohen unless it was deliberately to invite the kind of snide comments, of which there were plenty, that bypassed the moderators. This says something about The Guardian’s slide into sensational and biased reporting.

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  • What really takes this to Monty Python levels of hilarity, is their message board is actually entitled “Comment is Free” – with the following caveat: as long as you don’t disagree with the author of the article!?

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  • Dear Anatoly,

    Firstly, congratulations are in order at getting the Guardian to reinstate your comment. I have already told told you that I could find absolutely no justification for the deletion of your excellent and entirely reasonable comment. Indeed I was completely shocked when I did find out about it.

    Secondly, I notice that when it reinstated your comment the Guardian did so without explaining why the comment was deleted in the first place. Nor did the Guardian identify the particular part of your comment to which objection was taken even though that is what you specifically asked them. I presume no such explanation or information was given because there was no satisfactory explanation or information available.

    Lastly I would say that I have never before seen a deleted comment restored on Comment is Free.

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  • За нас за вас и за десант и за спецназ! The Red Army was the single greatest contributor to the defeat of Nazi Germany sixty-four years ago, a truly evil empire based on slavery and oppression, and responsible for the genocide of millions of Slav civilians, Jews, Soviet POW's and Roma by gas, bullets and...
  • @Anonymous
    This is entertaining reading, but them most fiction is.

    So please tell me your spin on the Katyn Forest massacre?

    Guess what…. Katyn and Khatyn are the different places

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  • @Paul
    The numbers you quote in myth nr. 2 about German military casualties are not correct. In the previous myth, you quote the research of Overmans. In that case you must be familiar with the number he quotes on German military casualties: 5,318,000 dead and missing. He even makes an estimate for the different war theaters: 2.7 million casualties on the Eastern Front until the end of 1944 and 1.2 million from January until May 1945. According to Overmans that number includes Spanish volunteers as well as volunteers from occupied countries. If we take his number of 80% of German casualties fallen at the Eastern Front, than this means that there were about 4.2 million German casualties on the Eastern Front. The German allies (Hungary, Finnland, Romania, Slovakia, Italy) had combined not more than 1 million casualties (and not 1.7 million as you state), included are the Italian casualties fallen in Northern Africa and during the Italian campaign, so that 1 miilion is for the Eastern Front alone way too high. If we add this up, then the ratio is not 1.3:1 as you state, but 2.2:1

    You have a little bit misunderstanding. Read again carefully :
    …“irrevocable losses” (the number of soldiers who were killed in military action, went MIA, became POWs and died of non-combat causes) was 11,285,057 for the USSR, 6,231,700 for Germany, 6,923,700 for Germany and its occupied territories, and 8,649,500 for all the Axis forces on the Eastern Front….
    Its not KIA figures)))) So if we exclude POWs from both sides we get;
    4.5-5 KIA/MIA – Axis
    7-7.5 KIA/MIA – Soviet

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  • 1. For Russian orphans life is much more dangerous in Russia than in America. Let's agree to disregard the hidden subtext which implies that any country ought to give over its orphans to foreign nationals should it be ranked safer for children. Let's first examine if the claim that Russia is 39 times more dangerous...
  • @Christopher
    Dear Anatoly.

    Thank you for the article. It was informative. (I found it via Sailer.)

    My wife and I are in the middle of the process of adopting a Russian girl.

    Since I have been have recently been in a Russian orphanage and have read as much as I can on the topic, I thought I might share a little anecdata and answer any questions that anyone might have. (I freely own my ignorance. Some months of reading aren't going to make me an expert, but I know more than some.)

    * The girl we are in the process of adopting has a medical condition which, as best I can tell by reading and talking to Russians, makes her unlikely to be adopted in Russia (especially when coupled with her age). According to (US) physicians we have consulted, it does not appear that her course of treatment is going as well as it could, but we have very limited data overall on that front at this point.

    * She is over the age of four.

    * The orphanage is in decent condition. She looked well fed, the facility was clean if spartan, and the staff seemed friendly, competent, and compassionate toward the children (as much as they could be given the demand on their time). That said, caretakers were few and children were many. The caretakers seemed fond of the girl and were eager (it seemed to me) to see her adopted before she is "graduated" to a more "hostile" orphanage for older children.

    * She is clearly both active and bright and at the same time developmentally delayed. The developmental delay is apparently nearly universal with orphanage children and is easily reversed on adoption. She couldn't count in Russian but picked up "1 2 3" in English quickly.

    * She was abandoned and legally repudiated by all of her known living relatives. She had never been visited before we arrived. Her mother is still alive. The father is unknown.

    * We didn't go looking for a Russian child. We went looking for a child with disabilities and found her in Russia.

    So, that said, I'd be happy to answer any questions (if any) you have about our experiences.

    Please understand that I won't be giving any medical or any other personally identifiable information about the girl.

    Additionally, I'll likely decline to discuss the politics of the case, aside from observing that instituting policies which have the effect of trampling the downtrodden is simply what governments do.

    If you've read this far thanks for your time.

    Dear John,

    I can only speak for myself and say that I am grateful to you for your dignified comment.

    In response the best I think I can do is refer you to my comment which Anatoly kindly quoted in the body of his post

    “The point could have been made that adoption is a private matter, that the number of Russian children abused by their US adoptive parents is microscopically small, that it is unfair on other US adopted parents to discriminate against them because of the bad behaviour of a very few US adoptive parents and that the problems involving Russian children with the US authorities and with the US courts have hopefully been addressed by the agreement with the US State Department, which should be given a chance to work”.

    That sums up my view of the adoption ban that I have made clear both here and elsewhere..

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  • Russian deputy PM Golodets seems to be defining the issue in economic terms (link below), saying its a problem of orphan “over-supply and under-demand” in Russian orphan market and orphan supply now growing rapidly.

    Does she suggest that “quality” of orphan stock deteriorating as Russian orphan “product” ages, and less appealing product (sick orphans) won’t be appealing to potential Russian families?

    By re-opening orphan market to Americans, maybe the market can be cleared slightly faster as product moves out?

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20130114/178771703/Adoptions_in_Russia_Supply_Exceeds_Demand________.html

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  • I developed a model on Russia's future demographic development in Matlab. First, I will describe (non-mathematically) the essentials of how it works; then I will present a range of different possible scenarios. Our data is sourced from Rosstat and the Human Mortality Database. Demography is a social science, and as such it is impossible to...
  • Hey just wanted to give you a brief heads up and let
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  • 1. For Russian orphans life is much more dangerous in Russia than in America. Let's agree to disregard the hidden subtext which implies that any country ought to give over its orphans to foreign nationals should it be ranked safer for children. Let's first examine if the claim that Russia is 39 times more dangerous...
  • A comment on RIA Novosti’s facebook page posting yesterday about blind Russian letter-writer Natalya Pisarenko’s opposition to the anti-US-adoption bill didn’t weigh in with too many facts, and the commenter simply wrote:

    “We could send her to the family that previously adopted Dima Yakovlev…”

    Rather than suggesting a painful death as a response to that RIAN story of a blind Russian child, maybe the commenter could just have provided a link to your fact-filled posting?

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    Are you kidding me? You want to give Russian child in a family of murderers? YOU scoundrels!
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  • Dear Anatoly.

    Thank you for the article. It was informative. (I found it via Sailer.)

    My wife and I are in the middle of the process of adopting a Russian girl.

    Since I have been have recently been in a Russian orphanage and have read as much as I can on the topic, I thought I might share a little anecdata and answer any questions that anyone might have. (I freely own my ignorance. Some months of reading aren’t going to make me an expert, but I know more than some.)

    * The girl we are in the process of adopting has a medical condition which, as best I can tell by reading and talking to Russians, makes her unlikely to be adopted in Russia (especially when coupled with her age). According to (US) physicians we have consulted, it does not appear that her course of treatment is going as well as it could, but we have very limited data overall on that front at this point.

    * She is over the age of four.

    * The orphanage is in decent condition. She looked well fed, the facility was clean if spartan, and the staff seemed friendly, competent, and compassionate toward the children (as much as they could be given the demand on their time). That said, caretakers were few and children were many. The caretakers seemed fond of the girl and were eager (it seemed to me) to see her adopted before she is “graduated” to a more “hostile” orphanage for older children.

    * She is clearly both active and bright and at the same time developmentally delayed. The developmental delay is apparently nearly universal with orphanage children and is easily reversed on adoption. She couldn’t count in Russian but picked up “1 2 3″ in English quickly.

    * She was abandoned and legally repudiated by all of her known living relatives. She had never been visited before we arrived. Her mother is still alive. The father is unknown.

    * We didn’t go looking for a Russian child. We went looking for a child with disabilities and found her in Russia.

    So, that said, I’d be happy to answer any questions (if any) you have about our experiences.

    Please understand that I won’t be giving any medical or any other personally identifiable information about the girl.

    Additionally, I’ll likely decline to discuss the politics of the case, aside from observing that instituting policies which have the effect of trampling the downtrodden is simply what governments do.

    If you’ve read this far thanks for your time.

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    • Replies: @Alexander Mercouris
    Dear John,

    I can only speak for myself and say that I am grateful to you for your dignified comment.

    In response the best I think I can do is refer you to my comment which Anatoly kindly quoted in the body of his post

    "The point could have been made that adoption is a private matter, that the number of Russian children abused by their US adoptive parents is microscopically small, that it is unfair on other US adopted parents to discriminate against them because of the bad behaviour of a very few US adoptive parents and that the problems involving Russian children with the US authorities and with the US courts have hopefully been addressed by the agreement with the US State Department, which should be given a chance to work".

    That sums up my view of the adoption ban that I have made clear both here and elsewhere..

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  • @Ildar Adi
    Well, according to official Russian statistics:

    http://www.usynovite.ru/statistics/2011/2/

    it seems rather that 1220 deaths in 15 years is somewhat underestimate. Truly horrible.

    It appears to be correct. This would adopted children in Russia have 4x the background death rate of children. So 1220 deaths in 5 years during 1999-2004 may well be true then.

    That however does not change the fundamental point. The figure of 19 children dead in the US (by the fault of their own adopted parents, whereas the 181 is only those who “died” – not only at the hands of their adopted parents, but also other murders, car accidents, suicides, fires, etc.), plus the fact that tracking of adoptees in the US from the Russian side pretty much ceases after the first 3 years of adoptions, means that the figures are still completely incomparable.

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    • Replies: @mihail able
    This can not be true. It's a lie. in America for 10 years, killed 19 children. In Russia in foster care killed 14 children. Americans adopted in Russia 60,000 orphans. 350,000 Russian orphans adopted. so Americans are killed Russian orphans more (much more) U.S. court systematically justifies the killers and sadists. Americans should forget about Russian children. and do not forget to remember because it is an American shame and unjustified cruelty. America does not like and does not protect Russian orphans. You must adopt American orphans. in the United States more than 500,000 orphans. More than 150,000 American orphans are waiting for adoptive parents. GOOD LUCK!
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  • @Kehmalize
    Why do you say that is official Russian statistics? Besides, all it says that 181 kids died in 2011. It means nothing.

    I don’t mean that kids death means nothing. I meant that number this number of dead kids per year 181, if true, is piss in ocean.

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  • @Ildar Adi
    Well, according to official Russian statistics:

    http://www.usynovite.ru/statistics/2011/2/

    it seems rather that 1220 deaths in 15 years is somewhat underestimate. Truly horrible.

    Why do you say that is official Russian statistics? Besides, all it says that 181 kids died in 2011. It means nothing.

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    • Replies: @Kehmalize
    I don't mean that kids death means nothing. I meant that number this number of dead kids per year 181, if true, is piss in ocean.
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  • Great stuff and great research. The irony is that potentially a lot of Russian orphans lost a chance to be adopted by American parents simply because Russia (rightly or wrongly) made the process more difficult over the years (this is my understanding of the fall in the number of adoption from 6000 in early 2000s to a mere 1000 last year). So the tears shed now over kids who won’t go to America should have been shed over the years when the numbers of American adoptions dropped so drastically.
    At the same time, although I think I understand rationale behind this law (insistence on protecting own citizens) I personally despise it and absolutely agree that this is a complete PR disaster that could easily be avoided. Shows the incompetence and lack of imagination on the part of the authorities.

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  • Natalia Zubarevich's concept of "The Four Russias" is one of the most reasoned and perceptive political analysis from the liberals, and as such I think it important enough to translate it (mostly I disagree with its core assumptions and conclusions though I do think it is a useful way of envisioning Russian politics). As such...
  • @Mr. X
    I have a feeling people are going to be shocked, shocked on November 6th that all those polls showing Obama with a six point lead were bogus, and sampling lazy people who won't vote, even if their precinct wards 'vote by proxy' for them several times. Enthusiasm matters, even in American politics which does its darndest to blunt it (see all the massive sabotage of the admittedly limited ceiling Ron Paul campaign from within and without), but so do the numbers out in the heartland. In America right now with the exception of the heavily Democratic Rio Grande Valley and New Mexico it's largely a urban cores versus suburbs and exurbs game. If there's no stash to mobilize the folks in the urban core then what? I have a feeling Obama could lose even with precincts from Milwaukee to Detroit to New Orleans all pulling 120-130% turnout and the inner cities going 95% for him simply because depopulation in places like Milwaukee and Detroit has persisted. Without Ohio, Wisconsin and Florida Obama is toast.

    Of course I say none of this with any sense of triumphalism as then the real battle the Tea Party/libertarians that actually want smaller government and the Big Government/War corporatists who dominate the party begins.

    LOL

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  • 1. For Russian orphans life is much more dangerous in Russia than in America. Let's agree to disregard the hidden subtext which implies that any country ought to give over its orphans to foreign nationals should it be ranked safer for children. Let's first examine if the claim that Russia is 39 times more dangerous...
  • @Scowspi
    It's interesting to read the perspective of a "traditionalist" (i.e. cultural conservative) American blogger on this law. She supports it:

    http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2012/12/russia-bans-american-adoption/#more-49932

    “The effects of this legislation are cruel and malicious. To punish innocent babies and children over a political disagreement between our governments is a new low, even for Putin’s Russia.”

    Yes, that’s John “Grampy Turtle-Neck” McCain, pontificating on his personal moral beliefs vis-a-vis innocent babies being punished over a political disagreement between the U.S. government and that of another country. John McCain, one-time fighter pilot engaged in a war with Vietnam, a war that killed many children in a land which had not attacked the United States, but could be said to be involved in a “political disagreement”. John McCain, who voted against the DREAM Act, which would provide a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants who were brought to the United States as children. John McCain, who voted against the Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act, and to HR 976 before it, which would extend health insurance coverage to 9 million currently uninsured American children. John McCain, who voted to cut nearly $40 Billion from the federal budget which would come from cuts to welfare, child support and youth lending programs. Who voted to impose tighter sanctions on Iran, a country which has no quarrel with the United States and which has not been shown to be producing any nuclear material in violation of established treaties; sanctions which will surely harm innocent babies. Who voted against the Gillibrand Amendment, which would provide for treatment of autism under the TRICARE Act. Who voted against S3412, a bill to provide tax relief to middle-class American families. Who voted to prohibit assistance to North Korea under title ll of the Food for Peace Act. And on and on and on. Example after example that John McCain actually makes decisions on almost a weekly basis whose effects will cause harm to innocent children.

    John McCain, who famously could not keep track of how many houses he owns, and who – as a candidate for President of the United States, got almost half of the American electorate to vote for him.

    Uh huh.

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  • @AP
    One of the cases reported in the US media was a tragic one involving a 5 year old girl with spina bifida, paralyzed from the waist down, who was weeks away from joining an American family. It is indeed cruel to force her to remain in her orphanage. She personally may now be adopted by someone in Russia due to the media scrutiny but I suspect there are a few more like her.

    Western misreporting and lies about Russian orphan mortality doesn't make this law any better or less cruel, and nor does Albright's justification of Iraq sanctions (so it's okay to cause suffering for Russian orphans because of what the Clinton administration did to Iraqi children? Really?).

    “..so it’s okay to cause suffering for Russian orphans because of what the Clinton administration did to Iraqi children? Really?”

    That’s a bit of a leap, don’t you think? I don’t think I ever endorsed the law as being okay to cause suffering to anyone. I said that chestnut about “if even one child is hurt by it, it’s unacceptable” is sanctimonious pap, and it is. The continued damage to the country by allowing the USA to push its face in the dirt, overall, would result in far more suffering for far more children. What’s the alternative? What would be a “good law” that Russia could write that would not just make Americans fall about the place laughing, the way they did when it was reported that Russia would retaliate by sanctioning America? What could Russia possibly deny to Americans that they actually want? The privilege of visiting Russia? Ha, ha. But Americans don’t like this. And it isn’t because it’s cruel. It’s because Americans don’t like to be told there’s something they can’t have that other people can, because they did something to screw it up.

    I can show you many examples – much more current, if you like – of how the USA does not make foreign policy based on its potential harm to children, or ask itself, “Could even one child be hurt by this?” when deciding whether or not to interfere in the sovereign affairs of another country. Moreover, the American people appear to be not bothered by this methodology, at all. Why is Russia always expected to “be the bigger person” and worry about fallout? The USA, it should be said, could immediately put the brakes on the adoption ban by repealing the Magnitsky Act, which it adopted upon prompting from an American-born individual who renounced his U.S. citizenship and is currently a British citizen, William Browder. And he has his own reasons for wanting to punish Russia. I can promise you innocent children do not figure anywhere among them.

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  • It’s interesting to read the perspective of a “traditionalist” (i.e. cultural conservative) American blogger on this law. She supports it:

    http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2012/12/russia-bans-american-adoption/#more-49932

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    “The effects of this legislation are cruel and malicious. To punish innocent babies and children over a political disagreement between our governments is a new low, even for Putin’s Russia.”

    Yes, that's John "Grampy Turtle-Neck" McCain, pontificating on his personal moral beliefs vis-a-vis innocent babies being punished over a political disagreement between the U.S. government and that of another country. John McCain, one-time fighter pilot engaged in a war with Vietnam, a war that killed many children in a land which had not attacked the United States, but could be said to be involved in a "political disagreement". John McCain, who voted against the DREAM Act, which would provide a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants who were brought to the United States as children. John McCain, who voted against the Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act, and to HR 976 before it, which would extend health insurance coverage to 9 million currently uninsured American children. John McCain, who voted to cut nearly $40 Billion from the federal budget which would come from cuts to welfare, child support and youth lending programs. Who voted to impose tighter sanctions on Iran, a country which has no quarrel with the United States and which has not been shown to be producing any nuclear material in violation of established treaties; sanctions which will surely harm innocent babies. Who voted against the Gillibrand Amendment, which would provide for treatment of autism under the TRICARE Act. Who voted against S3412, a bill to provide tax relief to middle-class American families. Who voted to prohibit assistance to North Korea under title ll of the Food for Peace Act. And on and on and on. Example after example that John McCain actually makes decisions on almost a weekly basis whose effects will cause harm to innocent children.

    John McCain, who famously could not keep track of how many houses he owns, and who - as a candidate for President of the United States, got almost half of the American electorate to vote for him.

    Uh huh.

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