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    President Trump, his children and their spouses, aren’t just using the Oval Office to augment their political legacy or secure future riches. Okay, they certainly are doing that, but that’s not the most useful way to think about what’s happening at the moment. Everything will make more sense if you reimagine the White House as...
  • Isn’t it reassuring to know that any promises rich foreigners think they’ve got from Trump are worth nothing.

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  • I’m not a huge fan of Ivanka “those photos made me cry” Trump being in the Oval Office, nor her husband. But this whole article’s a nothing burger that would fit in quite well at the NY Times or Bezos’s personal blog. There’s simply no evidence of corruption, just innuendo, guesswork (“she’s killing it”) and accusatory fingers being pointed by someone with an obvious grudge. (Oh and thanks for the non-working AP story link too. Helpful!) So what if Ivanka did sell a few more handbags or hotel rooms? The Republic will survive. I’m much more concerned about her presence marginalizing Bannon or convincing Trump to bomb Middle Eastern countries. That bothers me. Of course, given this reporter’s clear biases, that would be the thing that bothers her least.

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  • Sean says:

    First it must never be forgotten that Trump wagered against the odds for an increase in wealth if the long shot of him becoming president came about, yet there was certain financial extinction if if his run at the Presidency had ended as most informed people had expected.

    Trump is no Rockefeller inasmuch his wealth is nebulous; the businesses runs on confidence in his brand, and is consequently very vulnerable to hostile government investigation. He was expected to win by absolutely no one, and could expect the administration of Hilary’s to have come for him, and the judges would not be sympathetic. He along with his family would have ended up on the street with a tin cup if he hadn’t won. As a business decision, it was a crazier bet than any made in his casinos.

    The Code of Federal Regulations is a set of rules published by the executive departments and agencies of the government. Title 18 section 208 of that code deals with “acts affecting a personal financial interest.” This criminal conflict of interest statute states “an officer or employee of the executive branch of the United States Government” can’t have a “financial interest” in the result of their duties. What that should mean, legally speaking, for a family occupying the executive office is: Ivanka could not have dinner with the president of China while her business was applying for and receiving provisional approval of pending trademarks from his country, if one of those acts might impact the other. To an outsider, the connection between those acts seems obvious enough and it’s bound to be typical of what’s to come.

    Secondly, sIn October 2013, the US sent the general in command of nuclear weapons on an official trip to Moscow. He, wit his unrivalled knowledge of the most sensitive secrets in the US was thus exposed to all kinds of possible compromising situation at the hands of a foreign regieme. As it happens he seems to have simply got drunk (he got sacked), but really there are better thing to worry about than Trump’s daughter selling some cosmetics. Non of this stuff is going to make much difference to Trump’s wealth anyway.

    Thirdly, I don’t see any parallel at all with Nelson Rockefeller. In my view, Trump is most similar to Peisistratos tyrant of Athens Like him Trump is a very capable businessman, who relies on the suport of the common people. Like Peisistratos, Trump may be a transition from elite rule to one based on the will of the lower orders.

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  • Alden says:

    Kushner’s new 5th AV building still has vacancies because it is not completely finished. Some of the upper floors are just floors, partial ceilings and exterior walls. They are still putting in the electricity and plumbing.

    Tenants in those kind of buildings are not naive innocents. They are hard core business people who drive hard bargains with the landlords. For the kind of rent the Kushners want, they will get tenants who demand all sorts of concessions and extras.

    Sometimes it’s better for a landlord to keep a unit vacant and wait for a tenant who can and will pay a high rent.

    Sometimes it’s better for a landlord to charge low rents and get the building filled up fast.

    Ms Nomi, like Michael Hudson doesn’t know anything about real estate. But like Michael Hudson, she claims she knows about it. I’ll always remember Hudsons pontificating about NYC residential real estate without a mention of NYC’s rent control laws.

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    I note this Nomi person didn’t even google ” federal law violations of by federal employees”. She had to hire “superb researcher Craig Wilson for that.

    Anti White liberals hated Trump from the beginning. Conservatives and White nationalists hoped he was the messiah come to save us.

    Now everybody hates Trump.

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  • @Father O'Hara
    Lock em up! Specially that dumb cunt Ivanka and her Jew fag husband!

    How about shut you up?

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Hide
    Money enables political survival. Putin amassed great wealth and survived politically to go on and save Russians from the billionaire pyschopaths. War is carried out with wealth as well as information control and weapons. In this reality. if Evil is to win, it must be sure Good runs out of money. Trump and those allied with Him know they need billions for Good to overcome Evil. In delusional minds the politically successful don't need money. In this spiritually imperfect place they must have it.

    this. This is why leftism fails: it operates on the delusion that we can banish real authority from this world. Authority will always find a way to assert itself as long as humans live, and part of what that means (indeed, has always meant until now and probably will mean in the future) is having enough wealth to negotiate large changes to the status quo. I’m happy the US is finally revealing itself for what it always was after 1865: an empire, with vastly wealthy and powerful emperors. Let the people see the truth! You’ll always be owned by oligarchs; better find a benevolent and wise one. Open up the presidency to private bidding; that couldn’t possibly be any WORSE than what we have now.

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  • @Inertiller
    Nice gossip. Nomi typically follows the astro-turf formula of cognitive dissonance so favored by the whore-media. A tool of distraction to keep any reader entertained, creating a fake, magical version of how Washington and it's owners actually operate. The propaganda typically focuses on the head puppet who happens to be Trump this time 'round, but it doesn't matter.

    You must believe that it matters however, so that's the role of the professional copyist. They come in various flavors; right, left, libertarian or car salesman. Supermarket tabloids are long a dying breed - supplanted by serious sounding op-ed monkeys with serve a the same insidious purpose with unprecedented technology advanatages. (They all call each other fake, how gracious.)

    Nomi lists the serious sounding codes, laws and statutes. These don't impress anyone anymore other than the most deluded and credulous saps who are seriously addicted to their flavor of social media. Law what?

    A recap of the obvious: First the Russian accusations, following that, the emoluments. Anything else on American's minds at the moment? If you've been paying attention, there shouldn't be much other than Trump on the brain.

    These charges may all be true or relevant, but that doesn't matter, it may rain tomorrow, which is important, but only so much. The "laws" don't apply until the PTB want them too - and when that happens the whore media will be sure to let us know. Trump's impeachment would be an exciting show, and would take up hours of time from billions everywhere, fans would shriek for and against. Now that's entertainment!

    Ask yourself, what is it that you could be doing at the moment? How can you thrive in a country where worthless shit is thrown at you 24/7, mostly from your beloved muck rackers, which ever device you choose to use? Once they have you addicted, you are pretty much harmless.

    Best post I’ve read on the Internet in 20 years. Whoever you are, chapeaus!!!!!!

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    As Ms. Prins surely knows, “presiding…over the country” is in the claws of neocons/banksters et al., bonafide members of a Zionist Mafia Empire — & Trump is as well. Trump may have believed he could do something for the unfortunate majority and quickly found out otherwise…in any case, why focus on the lower echelon of profiteering Ms. Prins? Why not at least connect the dots to the top puppeteers? To avoid doing so is gatekeeping.

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  • @Father O'Hara
    Lock em up! Specially that dumb cunt Ivanka and her Jew fag husband!

    LOL!!! Not too subtle but to the point. Yo’vanka and Kushy boy have to kicked out of the WH. Let Trump Be Trump!!!

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  • Isn’t one of the foundational pillars of the so called Judeo-Christian way of life, Greed?

    That being the case, kudos to the Americans for selecting such good Judeo-Christians (given the Trump & Kushner combo, that is so appropriate, isn’t it :) ), as their looters-in-chief.

    You guys certainly deserve the leaders you get.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    Indeed, money rules the USA.
    But I'm not at all sure that the money that is now in Washington has the same goals as the Obama money.

    The Dutch professor Laslo Maracs, Amsterdam University, UVA, explains that the money now surrounding Trump, sees that continuing the Obama policies for military world supremacy will ruin them.

    Deep State is not concerned with what happens to the USA, and its citizens, rich of poor, they want to rule the world.
    It is possible that Deep State calculates that who rules the world cannot have any debt to anyone in the world, in other words, USA debts to the Chinese do not matter any more.

    Maybe Hillary meant this when she wrote in an e mail 'how does one handle one's banker ?'.

    This link will give you a clear view most cannot see. Meet the new boss same as the old boss!

    “Who controls the issuance of money controls the government!” Nathan Meyer Rothschild

    June 13, 2016 Which Corporations Control The World?

    A surprisingly small number of corporations control massive global market shares. How many of the brands below do you use?

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44864.htm

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  • Perhaps the real problem is that so many of the “methods” used to enable political corruption are in fact “legal”. For example, what should we think about someone from a terrorist family who is sponsored by an “elite” that make him rich in the “financial swamp” in a handful of years so that he can play politics? Where was Naomi Prins then?

    The Book of Rahm

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/10/24/the-book-of-rahm/

    Rahm Emmanuel, Laquan McDonald and Black Rebellion in Chicago

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/12/04/rahm-emmanuel-laquan-mcdonald-and-black-rebellion-in-chicago/

    The Doctrine of ‘Superior People’: The Bond between Israel and World Zionism

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-doctrine-of-superior-people-the-bond-between-israel-and-world-zionism/5473831

    … The disastrous US war against Iraq was largely organized, promoted and justified by a disproportionate percentage of US Jews (Zionists), including leading Neocon policymakers in the Bush and Obama administration – Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, Dennis Ross, Martin Indyk, David Frum, Shulsky, Levey, Cohen, Rahm Emanuel etc… They continue to push for war against Iran and should be seen as the ‘godfathers’ of the tragedies of Iraq, Syria and Libya where millions have fled…..

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  • I hope Trump keeps in mind that there are plenty of Democrats and not a few Republicans that would eagerly vote to impeach him for the smallest technical legality imginable , especially in 2018 or 2019 to head off any reelection, while simultaneously leaving Pence too little time to impress the 2020 voters.

    The hand patting your back will put a knife in it as soon as its profitable for that hand in Washington.

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  • Nice gossip. Nomi typically follows the astro-turf formula of cognitive dissonance so favored by the whore-media. A tool of distraction to keep any reader entertained, creating a fake, magical version of how Washington and it’s owners actually operate. The propaganda typically focuses on the head puppet who happens to be Trump this time ’round, but it doesn’t matter.

    You must believe that it matters however, so that’s the role of the professional copyist. They come in various flavors; right, left, libertarian or car salesman. Supermarket tabloids are long a dying breed – supplanted by serious sounding op-ed monkeys with serve a the same insidious purpose with unprecedented technology advanatages. (They all call each other fake, how gracious.)

    Nomi lists the serious sounding codes, laws and statutes. These don’t impress anyone anymore other than the most deluded and credulous saps who are seriously addicted to their flavor of social media. Law what?

    A recap of the obvious: First the Russian accusations, following that, the emoluments. Anything else on American’s minds at the moment? If you’ve been paying attention, there shouldn’t be much other than Trump on the brain.

    These charges may all be true or relevant, but that doesn’t matter, it may rain tomorrow, which is important, but only so much. The “laws” don’t apply until the PTB want them too – and when that happens the whore media will be sure to let us know. Trump’s impeachment would be an exciting show, and would take up hours of time from billions everywhere, fans would shriek for and against. Now that’s entertainment!

    Ask yourself, what is it that you could be doing at the moment? How can you thrive in a country where worthless shit is thrown at you 24/7, mostly from your beloved muck rackers, which ever device you choose to use? Once they have you addicted, you are pretty much harmless.

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  • @Agent76
    Mar 20, 2017 Trump Embraces the Goldman Sachs Vampire Squid

    It's business as usual in Washington. Trump promised to drain the swamp. Instead, he is busy populating it with Goldman Sachs vampire squids. On this edition of The Geopolitical Report, we take a look at the outsized influence of the notorious global investment banking firm, its ability to navigate both Democrat and Republican administrations, and its disastrous effect on the economy as it socializes risk and pockets.

    https://youtu.be/x2OK-m7fcUk

    Indeed, money rules the USA.
    But I’m not at all sure that the money that is now in Washington has the same goals as the Obama money.

    The Dutch professor Laslo Maracs, Amsterdam University, UVA, explains that the money now surrounding Trump, sees that continuing the Obama policies for military world supremacy will ruin them.

    Deep State is not concerned with what happens to the USA, and its citizens, rich of poor, they want to rule the world.
    It is possible that Deep State calculates that who rules the world cannot have any debt to anyone in the world, in other words, USA debts to the Chinese do not matter any more.

    Maybe Hillary meant this when she wrote in an e mail ‘how does one handle one’s banker ?’.

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    This link will give you a clear view most cannot see. Meet the new boss same as the old boss!

    "Who controls the issuance of money controls the government!" Nathan Meyer Rothschild

    June 13, 2016 Which Corporations Control The World?

    A surprisingly small number of corporations control massive global market shares. How many of the brands below do you use?

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44864.htm
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  • Mar 20, 2017 Trump Embraces the Goldman Sachs Vampire Squid

    It’s business as usual in Washington. Trump promised to drain the swamp. Instead, he is busy populating it with Goldman Sachs vampire squids. On this edition of The Geopolitical Report, we take a look at the outsized influence of the notorious global investment banking firm, its ability to navigate both Democrat and Republican administrations, and its disastrous effect on the economy as it socializes risk and pockets.

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    Indeed, money rules the USA.
    But I'm not at all sure that the money that is now in Washington has the same goals as the Obama money.

    The Dutch professor Laslo Maracs, Amsterdam University, UVA, explains that the money now surrounding Trump, sees that continuing the Obama policies for military world supremacy will ruin them.

    Deep State is not concerned with what happens to the USA, and its citizens, rich of poor, they want to rule the world.
    It is possible that Deep State calculates that who rules the world cannot have any debt to anyone in the world, in other words, USA debts to the Chinese do not matter any more.

    Maybe Hillary meant this when she wrote in an e mail 'how does one handle one's banker ?'.

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  • robt says:

    Some interesting info here, but tainted by an observation like this:
    “Trump has reportedly used nearly $500,000 from early campaign money raised for his own 2020 presidential bid to bolster the biz. It’s evidently been poured into “Trump-owned restaurants, hotels and golf clubs,” as well as rent at Trump Tower in New York City.”

    $500,000 is walking-around money, hardly to be described as funds ‘pouring into’ various projects. These days that would probably cover a minor decorating refresh in one of those facilities. Not only that, to imply that funds allocated for a future election campaign would be used in his private business is questionable considering the resources that Trump enterprises has available. $500K is hardly going to ‘bolster’ a multi-billion dollar business empire.
    And ‘reportedly’ is a notorious fudge word, something like ‘many think’ or ‘some say’.

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  • Money enables political survival. Putin amassed great wealth and survived politically to go on and save Russians from the billionaire pyschopaths. War is carried out with wealth as well as information control and weapons. In this reality. if Evil is to win, it must be sure Good runs out of money. Trump and those allied with Him know they need billions for Good to overcome Evil. In delusional minds the politically successful don’t need money. In this spiritually imperfect place they must have it.

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    this. This is why leftism fails: it operates on the delusion that we can banish real authority from this world. Authority will always find a way to assert itself as long as humans live, and part of what that means (indeed, has always meant until now and probably will mean in the future) is having enough wealth to negotiate large changes to the status quo. I'm happy the US is finally revealing itself for what it always was after 1865: an empire, with vastly wealthy and powerful emperors. Let the people see the truth! You'll always be owned by oligarchs; better find a benevolent and wise one. Open up the presidency to private bidding; that couldn't possibly be any WORSE than what we have now.
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  • @anonymous
    " .. after Richard Nixon's impeachment..." Nope -- Nixon resigned under threat of impeachment. That sloppiness befits the slapdash article's apparent theme: that what is feared (appropriately so) is somehow worse than what the ruling class has always done.

    This piece seems a better fit in the NYT or Atlantic. How much time was spent wordsmithing this whiterinsing of the Clintons?

    I flushed my vote and am unsurprised by none of Trump's shortcomings. But the grifting aspect of "Trumpism" is far less worrying than the selling out of his supporters regarding policy.

    On further reflection, isn’t it far more troubling to know that Obama, Wall Street, and this author were aware all along that he would “quickly gro[w] exponentially wealthier” following his term of office?

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    ” .. after Richard Nixon’s impeachment…” Nope — Nixon resigned under threat of impeachment. That sloppiness befits the slapdash article’s apparent theme: that what is feared (appropriately so) is somehow worse than what the ruling class has always done.

    This piece seems a better fit in the NYT or Atlantic. How much time was spent wordsmithing this whiterinsing of the Clintons?

    I flushed my vote and am unsurprised by none of Trump’s shortcomings. But the grifting aspect of “Trumpism” is far less worrying than the selling out of his supporters regarding policy.

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    On further reflection, isn't it far more troubling to know that Obama, Wall Street, and this author were aware all along that he would "quickly gro[w] exponentially wealthier" following his term of office?
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  • Lock em up! Specially that dumb cunt Ivanka and her Jew fag husband!

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    LOL!!! Not too subtle but to the point. Yo'vanka and Kushy boy have to kicked out of the WH. Let Trump Be Trump!!!
    , @Alden
    How about shut you up?
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  • That, in a hostile environment, Deep State and the media, Trump surrounds himself with people he knows and trusts, seems quite natural to me.
    Any USA president did the same.

    Obama’s chief of staff in the White House, the most important position in the USA, was Rahmbo, now mayor of Chicago, where Obama also began his political career.
    Roosevelt had Harry Hopkins, Wilson ‘colonel’ House.

    Hopkins some of the time even did not have any official position, yet being the most powerful man after Roosevelt himself, House, as far as I know, officially never was more than a private person, yet he negotiated with the British prime minister, was received by the Queen, and the German Kaiser.

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  • utu says:

    Great article. The question is if these issues will get any traction in effort, if there is any, to depose Trump or rather they will be used by the Deep Sate to make Trump even more vulnerable and obedient?

    OT: Why Steve Bannon is still there? He possibly can’t believe that Trump would implement anything from his program after April 4. Is he kept hostage or he also sold out?

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  • so what???

    If a goy beats a jew in business, that is downright anti-semitic.

    The fundamental in economics besides consumer spending which is robust enough to drive growth, is that investors have their piles of money, as in Big Money, actually working, and not idling at the curb.

    Whatever millions the Trump Dynasty has is unimportant. What matters , if you want to get agitated, is the Real Big Bucks of the Financial Sector that feeds off, as in parasite, the productive capital that makes things, etc. How about a jewish angle in Financial Capital or, Productive Capital…heh heh, for the latter.

    If Trump rags sell great in wherever, who cares? Kvetching and sour grapes.

    Joe Webb

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  • Not disagreeing with most of what is written, but the conflicts of interest that any international business person would bring to the presidency would seem to doom us to having only career politicians or generals as future presidents.

    This idea extends to cabinet positions and other government advisors, and is one of the biggest conundrums in our political system. Most of the people who have the economic smarts needed to administer their positions are also potentially the most self-interested.

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  • From CNN earlier this year:The successful efforts in 2011 of Bill Clinton's wife, the Secretary of State, to start a war with Libya and kill Col. Muammar Gadafi, a colleague of Bill's leading rival on the international lecture circuit, Tony Blair, couldn't have been bad for business.Clinton delivered 54 paid speeches in 2011, roughly the...
  • "DirkY said…

    He was our greatest modern president: no major wars, kept taxes high and spending low, generally meritocratic appointments to the executive and judicial branches. Biggest black mark by far was bombing Serbia."

    Kept spending low? Spending hasn't been low since the Kennedy administration. Meritocratic appointments? Janet Reno as attorney general? Robert Rubin (of Goldman-Sachs) as Treasury Secretary (May as well appoint a fox to be Secretary of Henhouses)? That ridiculous little dwarf, Robert Reich, as Secretary of Labor? Breyer and Ginsburg for the supreme court?

    Clinton never started anything bad, but he continued and amplified everything bad that was already going on: outsourcing and de-industrialization, massive immigration, the creeping police-state nature of our government, ceding authority to international bodies, the celebration of the impending minority status of whites, the primacy of the financial sector.

    George Will once remarked, and I agree with him, that: Clinton was not the worst President we've had, but he is the worst man to be President. And that has not changed. Both Bush and Obama have been worse Presidents, but they are both better men. As many here have pointed out – Clinton's reputation is an accident of history. He was President during a relatively quite period.

    Clinton is a a swine, both in private and public life. He is a user of other people (even more so than most politicians) and a shamelessly opportunistic liar. I remember when he signed the Defence-of-Marriage-Act (which act I agreed with). While he was signing it – during the very act of signing it – he denounced it as divisive and wrong. WTF? If a President thinks a law is bad, he is supposed to veto it – that's why the Constitution grants him that authority. If it's as bad as he said it was (while he was actually signing it!), then why did he sign it? (answer: he wanted to get re-elected).

    I don't like G.W. Bush or Obama, but I don't think that they are completely bad. I don't like Jesse Jackson, but even he has some redeeming qualities.

    Clinton has none. He is an absolutely amoral louse. If he were portrayed in a movie, you'd have to get the guy who played the mayor in Red Dawn to do him justice. He is a pustule.

    And yes, those speaking fees are bribes – ex-post-facto bribes. I'm sure that other politicians have noticed, and are paying attention.

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    Last I heard, she got a Masters in economics from the LSE. Though she could cure cancer, and that would be the *second* line in her obituary.

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  • By the way, whatever happened to Monica?

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    He had bombs dropped on Serbia for 78 days, a nation that didn't threaten or harm America in any way; past, present or future. How would Americans like it if Serbian warplanes dropped bombs on their homes and cities for 78 days? All the bridges over the Danube leading to the Serbian capital were knocked down. How would Americans like it if Serbs knocked out all the bridges over the Potomac? Kosovo had been a part of Serbia since the 1300's, a lot longer then America has controlled the southwest. What right did America have to decide what Serbia's boundaries should be? How would it seem if China bombed America late this century when Mexicans launch a separatist war in the border states and America tries to keep its national territory intact?

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  • I strongly suspect speaking fees for presidents are done for reasons other than bribery, even of the subtle kind. By contrast, I suspect speaknig fees for journalists are a massive source of corruption, probably comparable in effect to lobbying jobs for congressmen who leave office.

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  • I know people who are Republicans who are proud to display photograps of themselves with Clinton- it's a staus thing, helps them in business and with women, who LOVED him (another reason why female suffrage is one of the worst ideas of the modern era).

    I am extremely tuned in to certain local politics in my corrupt town. I've had to bribe politicians. The national scene is handled the same way. The bribery now is done after the fact, to avoid breaking laws and being prosecuted. It is almost impossible to prove a quid-pro-quo if it's done by payment for a speech after the person is out of office. First, no-one cares enough to prosecute (Clinton sold nuclear warhead secrets to the Chinese for campaign cash- WD45 model, IIRC). Remember, even though one guy is out of office, his friends can make life difficult if someone welches on the deal. Second, it's a career destroyer for anyone who tries to prosecute after the perp-s left office, especially if he's going after a democrat. I mean, $700,000 from a speech to a local publisher in Nigeria? Really? On what planet does that not seem absurd? Nigeria has oil- who knows what that money was really used for- or where it came from!
    Read Alex Daoud's book on his political life- "Sins of SOuth Beach". A $50,000 bribe was paid to a city councilman to get the permit for a strip club. The story is public, and the club is still there. It's simply the cost of doing business. Successful friends of mine regularly make "campaign contributions" to both sides- so they have a guy who can pull strings for them when necessary, and also so the government will leave them alone. These are people worth 70- 300 million. Spending $20,000 an election cycle is no big deal. That's the way it really works in America today- and most other places I've been.
    Larry Flynt said it best, in his autobiography- I'm paraphrasing here: "The strange thing is not that politicians can be bought, it's for how little that's surprising".
    As Jonathon Swift put it: "I do not wonder to see men wicked, but I often wonder to see them not ashamed.".

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  • Things have been so miserable since Clinton left office that this former figure of fun is now a distinguished elder statesman. Reminds me of Suetonius' theory that Tiberias named Caligula as his successor so that the Roman people would miss him.

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  • These speaking fees are the delayed swag the elite offer up to politicians who toed their line while in office (e..g., the abolition of Glass-Steagall).

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  • Well, Clinton has twice the smarts of Obama. Its a shame that Hillary did win.

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  • "[Clinton] became president at the dawn of internet commerce, nothing more – nothing less."

    Bingo. In his first years, bankruptcies were climbing, and his tax increases were all set to hammer the economy. Then the tech boom and the mortgage bubble gave everyone gobs of Monopoly money to spend for a few years.

    We were just lucky that nothing serious happened during his presidency — like the first WTC bombing failing — so he could afford to get blowjobs while ordering cruise missile attacks when he needed a distraction from his peccadilloes. And to say that he's smarter than his successors isn't exactly high praise — that's probably true of 90% of the commenters here.

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  • "He was our greatest modern president"

    he allowed bin laden to attack the US, so he's not all that great.

    he also deliberately disabled the INS from interdicting the mexican invasion, under doris meissner. then extolled the virtues of the coming european american minority, to raucous applause. then bombed slavs for trying to resist being overrun by muslims.

    not exactly a laudable ideological position, unless you are a far left liberal.

    he was decent in many other ways however.

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  • "Obama keeps calling Romney greedy. Romney should give him an an ultimatum: he'll release ten years worth of tax returns if Obama and his wife sign a contract pledging to donate any honoraria above, say, $500k/year to charity."

    I truly don't see what one, remotely has to do with the other. Romney is the one that has hammered home his point that "making money is good."

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Clinton at least had brains, even if he doesn't have them any more.

    The last two presidents have not approached his intellect.

    Not to say that Clinton didn't let us all down; he did.

    But he didn't screw up majorly.

    I agree with the Serbia comment, by the way. The 2008 economic collapse was Bush II's attempt at getting even, by bombing Suburbia.

    Anon.

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  • Why the fuck would anyone believe Hilary?

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What do you mean not fumbling the ball? Dotcom bubble, remember this one? I suppose it almost forgotten now but at the time it was declared the Worst-Thing-Since-Depression and the End-Of-America-As-We-Know-It.

    Come to thing of it, the real estate bubble also started under him. So he started two bubbles but skipped the responsibility for either one and left his successors holding the bag.

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  • Ex Post Facto Bribery.

    As plain as that. The Obama Admin has prosecuted few finance industry hotshots. Why? Because many of the paid speeches (esp. from Clinton's first 5 years after leaving office) were from Goldman Sachs and similar companies.

    These groups don't just pay Bill Clinton because his wife is senator or SecState. They pay him as a way of signalling to current officeholders that, if their bidding is done, there is money to be made.

    Obama keeps calling Romney greedy. Romney should give him an an ultimatum: he'll release ten years worth of tax returns if Obama and his wife sign a contract pledging to donate any honoraria above, say, $500k/year to charity.

    Obummer would be stumped.

    "Based on how badly Clinton's successors screwed up, he should at least get credit for not fumbling the ball."

    Clinton appointed Ginsburg and Breyer to the SCOTUS.

    Under Clinton, illegal immigration became truly massive.

    The housing bubble began under Clinton.

    And, of course, he failed to kill Osama Bin Laden – a trillion dollar mistake.

    Yep, besides that it was all unicorns and Skittles.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Bill Clinton's legacy is one of the most overrated myths in modern American history. He became president at the dawn of internet commerce, nothing more – nothing less. Harold Stassen would have left a good presidential legacy under those conditions.

    Based on how badly Clinton's successors screwed up, he should at least get credit for not fumbling the ball. What more could you ask of a president during peace time?

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  • I was deployed to the Mediteranean for Libya. It was an amazing mix of militaries from many nations. It was also a huge waste of time. I made a lot of money from it – over $9k a month as a mechanic.

    Business is booming for undeclared wars in tourist locations.

    (We spent most of our time drinking wine, enjoying the local cuisine, and having cookouts while watching American sporting events on big screen TVs. Thanks, taxpayers)

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  • Elmer Gantry is doing well

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  • Steve, you sound so certain when you make these assertions. But previously, you asserted that speeches are after the fact bribes, to encourage current office holders.

    If you believe Hillary that she will retire from government after 2012, it doesn't make sense as an on-going bribe.

    Finally, what happened in Libya? Was it the work of Hillary, or was she just trying to avoid the appearance of the UK acting alone?

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Kibernetika napisal:

    As I drove past Bank of America Stadium last weekend, carefully avoiding the potholes that have resisted recent efforts at repaving for the convention, I found myself involuntarily following a car that had two (2) prominent bumper stickers:

    1) "Dangerously
    Overeducated"

    [Awww...] and

    2) Our president's visage superimposed on a rainbow background. Wonder what that signified?

    I've driven this route weekly for more than two (2) years.

    Exited area ASAP. I gotta say, though, that they have cleaned up the place. There used to be open field parking, and now that seems fenced off. I don't want to know what's going on there.

    Can't wait until this spectacle is completed :)

    Da, ia sam vse napisal

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  • "He was our greatest modern president: no major wars…"

    Bill Clinton's legacy is one of the most overrated myths in modern American history. He became president at the dawn of internet commerce, nothing more – nothing less. Harold Stassen would have left a good presidential legacy under those conditions.

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  • I paid 10k to get a photo with the big dog. It was tax deductible so really 6k. It impresses potential partners and customers, was part of a fun event, and I think he puts it to good use with his foundation.

    He was our greatest modern president: no major wars, kept taxes high and spending low, generally meritocratic appointments to the executive and judicial branches. Biggest black mark by far was bombing Serbia.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Much is made of W. Clinton's charisma. But something else is going on here.

    My own little city rustled up something like 150K a few years ago for him to address the chamber of commerce and gladhand around a bit.

    The speech itself was boilerplate about the dot-com revolution and inspirational one-world lurv platitudes.

    His cultural role must be 'secular shaman'; there to reassure the masses that they are not abandoned in a Godless world.

    Gilbert P.

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  • Clinton never drowned a girl. Not with sea water, anyway.

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  • OT:

    Latest solution to the problem with urban public schools: randomly distribute all children throughout the system without regard to where they come from; then middle-class parents will care about maintaining the system as a whole. Apparently, this idiot has never heard of private schools and the abandonment of major urban areas for the suburbs precisely to get away from the public schools. Also, here's a choice indication of the seriousness of the proposal: "In addition, a basic level of awareness about acts of microviolence in the classroom is necessary. Most teachers in urban areas are middle-class white women who may not grasp, for example, that the young African-American girl in the class who refuses to remove her scarf is not being disrespectful, but is rather trying to manage an otherwise paralyzing 'bad hair day'." 'Cause we all know that the most disruptive aspect of black behavior in class is the disrespect shown by girls wearing scarves (and that nice white ladies are totally clueless about this)!

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  • "Bush’s standard speaking fee is reportedly between $100,000 and $150,000."

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  • When someone is trying to get a slice of a 4 trillion dollar pie, I guess an iffy $500,000 bribe isn't the worst of bets.

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  • At least Clinton can talk. Wouldn't it be funny if W. was pulling hundreds of thousands per speech too?

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  • Wow. $89 million has to buy a lot of hookers and coke.

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  • Here's the abstract of a paper in press by economist Ted Joyce, followed by Joyce's cogent explanation of why it's important to keep harping on this subject. A Simple Test of Abortion and CrimeTed JoyceBaruch College and Graduate CenterCity University of New YorkandNational Bureau of Economic ResearchForthcoming in Review of Economics and StatisticsA Simple Test...
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The reason Hippocrates wanted to ban abortion was not because of regard for “fetal rights” — this was an era and culture in which infanticide of live, full-term, independently breathing babies, was quite common–one historian considered that on the average, they rarely raised more than two daughters, if that many. He was less sure of the fate of male babies.
    The reason Hippocrates banned abortion was because of the many death beds he attended of women who had attempted it. Unless they had a sure technique (some did), abortion was very dangerous for the woman.

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  • “To me Steve comes off as the quintessential moderate baby boomer, trying to distill the good ideals from his life experience into workable social policy while weeding out the obviously harmful ones. He is just the kind of conservative the old-guard liberals need to make any of their egalitarian ideals work in the real world. “

    I’m shocked that you have any idea at all what Steve believes. I’ve noticed a distinct tendency for him to present a view then ensure that there is a forum for the opposing view. It’s as if there’s a blogosphere fairness doctrine. My beef is that Steve was not content to let us part ways peacefully after I started visiting this blog to find out what was going on in the battle against the Bush amnesty bill. While we were in agreement at that point in time, he decided to start taking swipes at me for views I expressed that he didn’t like. I would have abandoned this blog a good month ago if he hadn’t gotten so vicious about pointing out the supposed errors of MY ways.

    As a fellow generation X’er, Bill, I think you can see the X as a symbol of harmony obviously meaningless to Steve/Dougie. The bottom of the X we had different views which converged on the immigration issue. Once our views diverged again, we should have gone on our separate paths peacefully as represented by the top of the X.

    Perhaps you are right that Steve’s status as a baby boomer makes him too egocentric to live in harmony with the rest of us post-boomers. I guess I’ll have to be the mature one and let him have the last shot. ; )

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  • Is it just me or is the “blogosphere” a pretty small place? I’d swear I recognize people here from their writing.

    If it really is so small, I am happy for it. For some reason, it is reassuring to know that most of the world doesn’t give a damn about this stuff.

    That said, I don’t quite understand how people could get so worked up about what Steve writes. IMO, he’s quite the moderate, and as I’ve mentioned on this thread I think a bit too moderate at times.

    Ornerychick, if you’re younger than Steve, like me, maybe you know what I mean when I say he’s moderate. Kids these days have a disregard for the liberal values of the baby-boomer generation that borders on outright ridicule. Boomers, possibly the most self-absorbed generation in the history of mankind (sorry guys, but it’s true) have characteristically failed to notice this.

    To me Steve comes off as the quintessential moderate baby boomer, trying to distill the good ideals from his life experience into workable social policy while weeding out the obviously harmful ones. He is just the kind of conservative the old-guard liberals need to make any of their egalitarian ideals work in the real world.

    As a genXer, shaped by far different experiences, I instinctively feel these efforts will fail, and the entire world will descend into barbarism due to some global catastrophe. :-)

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  • Steve Sailer said…
    Oh, so you’re the one who throws all those hanging curve balls?

    What? Is the great Steve drunk? Hmmm…. I don’t know what to think about that. It might be an improvement albeit temporary.

    Actually there may be one other source of my intense animosity toward you – other than your Sagginess. You have a prepubescent soul that reminds me of a guy named Dougie who used to pelt me with crayons, bits of chalk and the nubs of #2 pencils in 5th grade. We had class in an outbuilding so when the teacher left for mysterious reasons she was long gone. This gave Dougie ample opportunity to lob his missiles. I won’t say I didn’t get him back a few times. He wore inch thick glasses so didn’t always see what was coming. : )

    We’re not even close in age so I assume that you must be a distant cousin of Dougies. I sense the same dastardly DNA!

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  • Oh, so you’re the one who throws all those hanging curve balls?

    Thanks!

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  • david,

    As the author of the comment about abortion rhetoric I was responding to Bill not trying to get info out of Steve. You have me confused with anon 8/30 8:29pm. I’ve already formulated a few opinions about Steve and could care less what his actual view on abortion is. You’re right about one thing he’s damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t as far as I’m concerned. I just come here to torment the guy and he frequently takes that bait and runs with it. : p

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  • the wranglings between pro and anti-abortion activists. It was always more about egos that solving the problems related to getting pregnant out of wedlock. Feminists acted like abortion was no more serious than taking a Tylenol while Christians waved bloody banners to demonstrate the “reality” of killing a child. They were strident, judgmental and anything but the kind of people a desperate woman who has let her life get out of control would turn to for help.

    I think Anonymous who wants so desperately for Steve to say something about abortion proper is dying to put him in one or the other of those two camps: feminist harridan or “Christian” waving a bloody banner. Polarization is neutralizing. If Steve bites (and I actually believe he has no uncommon view on abortion proper), then he’s pigeonholed (to mix metaphors): he’s swept out of the way.

    Steve, be “wise as a serpent” here, and do not fall for the bait.

    What I really want to know is if Steve is a fascist or a communist. C’mon, Stevo – tell us! Which? Fascist or commie? Huh? Huh? Huh? C’MON. I can’t fully understand you if you don’t declare yourself!!! Which is it, fascist or communist?

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  • Feminists acted like abortion was no more serious than taking a Tylenol while Christians waved bloody banners to demonstrate the “reality” of killing a child. They were strident, judgmental and anything but the kind of people a desperate woman who has let her life get out of control would turn to for help. I blame them more for polarizing the issues because Christians are supposed to be kind, loving and wise.

    -Anon

    Yes, it’s really pretty sad how this issue has torn through our society. One of the biggest problems today is that millions of good women have had abortions, and when they hear Christians calling abortion murder they naturally feel very upset.

    Personally, I have no idea how to deal with this aspect of abortion. As a man, I’m not sure I can do anything about it without causing more harm than good. Perhaps it will take a lot of hard work by kind, loving and wise women — the ones who were probably shoved aside by activists on both sides of the debate, which would explain their conspicuous absence. But I can say this for certain: more abortions won’t help matters at all.

    However, when it comes to men who tout abortion as a panacea (Levitt did, in fact, do that), they are fair game and I’d be happy to go after them loaded for bear! Figuratively speaking, of course. But perhaps Steve’s “death by a thousand cuts” technique is wiser and more effective.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “The meme Levitt is spreading as a solution to “potential criminals” (kill them before they have a chance to commit crimes) is downright evil and morally indefensible.”

    I agree. It is a disgusting idea, worse than sterilization of women deemed to have undesirable DNA. I’m not actually pro-abortion. I think it’s a brutal thing to do to your body not even considering the issues of when life begins or if the fetus feels pain during the procedure. My resistance to anti-abortion activism has to do solely with the women who get targeted in the debate. By the time you’ve gotten to the point of getting pregnant with a child you can’t care for or don’t want, a million other things have already gone wrong in your life to get you to that point. If the relationship wasn’t a committed one, you’ve also exposed yourself to AIDS.

    What concerns me about anti-abortion rhetoric is that it is often abusive to women who are already pretty downtrodden to have gotten to the point of needing an abortion. I’ve even seen some blogger who shall remain nameless go after a woman viciously who was pro-abortion by shaming her for having an abortion (I don’t know if this was true or not). And maybe the feminist he was lambasting was some sort of libertine who had unprotected sex at the drop of a hat and used abortion as her preferred and only method of birth control. The truth for the majority of women is very different. I’ve known three women who had abortions. Their stories were all terrible – a lifestyle of promiscuous sex with inappropriate guys for one who was a very young teen when it all started, another had been forced into going all the way by her jerk boyfriend (no one really believed her but he pursued me aggressively while his next girlfriend was 8 mos pregnant – he did just what the first girl said). Another young woman was in a committed relationship with a loser who never kept a job and cheated on her all the time. I think she chose between taking care of the child and taking care of the boyfriend. I’m no longer in contact with her but there’s little doubt in my mind that she regrets the abortion now.

    I also remember the first years of the wranglings between pro and anti-abortion activists. It was always more about egos that solving the problems related to getting pregnant out of wedlock. Feminists acted like abortion was no more serious than taking a Tylenol while Christians waved bloody banners to demonstrate the “reality” of killing a child. They were strident, judgmental and anything but the kind of people a desperate woman who has let her life get out of control would turn to for help. I blame them more for polarizing the issues because Christians are supposed to be kind, loving and wise. Then the attacks on abortion clinics started which essentially destroyed the credibility of anti-abortion activists.

    While I believe abortion is a procedure that should be performed rarely, I fear that making it illegal won’t translate into providing the kind of public health education that teaches young girls to take care of their bodies and plan ahead. Do people who want to overturn Roe vs Wade also want to ban birth control or giving girls access to birth control? How far does this go if the “Christians” prevail?

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think that Steve’s views on abortion (and these may not necessarily be religious views!) are very germane. I really do get the sense that this vendetta against Levitt is in some way a proxy for an underlying opposition to abortion, and — in part because I really do respect Steve’s ideas — I’d like to know what that opposition might be based on.

    Or be told that I’m wrong! Steve could easily tell us he thinks making abortion legal was just dandy, and he’s only going after Levitt because Levitt is such a fool. If he said that I’d certainly believe him. And if he said he thought abortion was an acid eating away at the foundations of our society, I’d also gladly take him at his word. But it would make a difference to me which answer I got! Wouldn’t it make at least some difference to you?

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  • Maybe you’re right, FuturePundit.

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  • TGGP,

    I write a couple of blogs. Since I find most of my readers didn’t read (or do not remember) what I wrote 2 years ago I find on some subjects repetition is very helpful.

    As for repeated criticisms of big media figures and big academic stars: We need more of this, not less. Lots of big names make very false assertions on big stages and noone challenges them on it. They get away with it. We need to show less reverence for the big names and more reverence for the evidence.

    If Steve Sailer does not keep beating this drum then the public will go on holding a misunderstanding of what the evidence really shows.

    As for Sailer’s religious views on abortion: I’d consider this germane if Steve didn’t hold many other not-widely-held views on topics where he’s very obviously driven by what the evidence seems to show. He’s very curious about human nature. He likes to discover things about it. He wants others to have a more accurate view of human nature.

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  • I know this is only tangentially related to the subject, but I recently came up with an idea concerning Christian opposition to abortion and I was wondering whether anyone could corroborate it.

    For a little background, I was surprised to discover some time ago that the original Hippocratic oath banned physicians from performing abortions (unsurprisingly, it was rewritten – abrogated, I would say – in the 1970s). Then, recently, I was reading about the life of the apostle Luke before my latest baby’s baptism. This prompted me to think about the fact that Luke was both Greek and a physician, which means that he had almost certainly taken the Hippocratic oath banning abortion.

    Could it be that opposition to abortion, which is documented in the early church, was transmitted from Hippocrates through Luke to the Christian church? I think it’s likely, but I’d really like an authoritative opinion on that.

    BTW, to those of you out there attacking Steve for criticizing Levitt’s misuse of statistics (I would call it lying) to support abortion, he exercises far more restraint than I think Levitt deserves. The meme Levitt is spreading as a solution to “potential criminals” (kill them before they have a chance to commit crimes) is downright evil and morally indefensible.

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  • Anyone who has been reading Sailer’s site already knows about the problems with Levitt. People that don’t weren’t reading his site and aren’t going to notice his latest comments. It is rather silly to say the the NYT is deliberately ignoring stories about Levitt since they don’t have to print everything and there are tons of things going on in the world, and ones about Missing White Women sell a lot more copy than Academic Dispute. How much coverage do other major newspapers give to this issue? I don’t think Levitt’s paper has had nearly as much impact as some of you think. The only instance I can remember where it really reached out into the broader consciousness was Bill Bennet’s comments on the radio.

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  • I agree with the bloodthirsty gallery. The crime is ongoing, so why take down the wanted posters? The longer the NYT lies about their crime, the better Steve looks for pointing it out.

    It’s a win-win situation.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I wasn’t accusing Steve of being a fundie (I think it’s fairly obvious that he isn’t). As I said in my previous post, I am looking for context.

    If I learn that Steve — for whatever reason, religious or other — thinks that legalized abortion has been just a really bad thing for everybody, then I think it’s legitimate that this should color my perception of his pursuit of Levitt (although it wouldn’t necessarily mean that he was wrong!). Likewise, if it turns out that Steve has no strong feelings about abortion, or thinks the impact of legalization has been just wonderful, that’s also going to have an impact. If people were emotionless little data processing units then such considerations wouldn’t matter. But they’re not, so it’s always useful to get the larger context.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    why should steve ‘let off on levitt?’ it’s great the way he piles on. levitt made a lot of money at least partly bec of a bogus theory.

    but thanks anyway tggp for that SNL link. i found the transcript to my favorite skit from back in 89

    http://snltranscripts.jt.org/89/89qsportsmachine.phtml

    Tommy Lasorda: Let me ask you something: you ever play baseball?

    George F. Will: If, by play, you mean drink deep the aura of the game, then..

    Tommy Lasorda: No no, I mean play the game.. in the field..

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  • This book sold MILLIONS of copies and many consider the ideas contained in this book to be sound and vetted science.

    If this book should not be the target of strong criticism I really don’t know what should be.

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  • Anonymous says:

    “If [Steve Sailer] ever runs for president, DONT VOTE FOR HIM.”

    Hear, hear! I quite agree.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Sheesh, Sailer, let off on Levitt.

    Why should Mr. Sailer cease and desist? Does the public now understand the holes in Levitt’s theory? Or does the public continue to be misled to this day?

    There is substantial and growing evidence that Levitt was blowing smoke with his theory. Steve should “let off” Levitt after Levitt’s research withstands tests by other knowledgeable parties.

    You seem kind of petty to keep this up.

    The NYT is deliberately ignoring the challenges to Levitt’s theory. There should be intellectual inquiry and some discussion of the issue.

    Mr. Sailer laid out what is at stake for news consumers. And there is nothing petty about it. Read again please:

    This means the NYT has a particular responsibility to avoid giving in to conflicts of interest, which they have clearly succumbed to over the last two years.

    Also Mr. Joyce described the core issue at stake here:

    …a causal relationship between legalized abortion and crime has such significant ramifications for social policy…

    Questions for you, tggp: Just how many other rigged social debates are you willing to allow? How much more fudged research is within your limit?

    Thanks for your dogged work on this issue, Mr. Sailer. And good riddance to the NYT. Let’s remember how many times rigged and fudged reporting has appeared in the “newspaper of record” in the recent past. This is another nail in their coffin. At this point the Salzberger tenure is a bonafide fiasco. Very soon Murdoch will be stepping on the NYT’s neck…and how they deserve it.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    While I admit it is annoying thinking that Steve might be a high IQ fundie or Catholic both wanting to send women to jail for aborting low IQ infants he’d just insult after they took their SATs anyway, I think it’s valid for him to follow through on this topic. First, he came up with a refutation of Levitt’s findings. Second, Levitt is a controversial figure who is so competitive he engages in backstabbing.

    There is no conflict regarding Steve’s covering this topic after finding Levitt’s methodology to be flawed. God knows I’ve turned my nose up at even Steve’s methods because I don’t trust statistical analysis of data that might be faulty or at least misconstrued from the empirical level on up. I think they call it meta-analysis and I’m not the only one who doesn’t trust it.

    As for Steve’s character, I think it’s obvious he wants to replace lower IQ whites, blacks and American Indians with Christian convert East Asians. If he ever runs for president, DONT VOTE FOR HIM.

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    Of course they won’t report on Levitt’s misdeeds and foul-ups. Would the Falcons issue PR denouncing Vick?

    I appreciate Steve taking on larger than life media creations like Levitt and Gladwell. There is just too much propaganda and to many blind cult followers of false idols and the MSM that promote them. Every deprogramming factoid that can be offered has a value if only for a scarce touch point to reality.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Steve –

    I admire a lot of the things you write, but you really seem to have a bug up your ass in regard to Steven Levitt and his theory about abortion and crime, and it would give me some useful context if I understood better your thinking on the issue of abortion itself, entirely aside from Levitt and his theory.

    For example, do you think abortion is moral or immoral? Do you think it should be legal or not? Most especially, I’m really curious to know what you think has been the main impact of legalized abortion or our society, and whether this impact has been good or bad.

    I hope you don’t mind my pressing you on this. A pointer to a previous post would be fine. And again, I have the greatest respect for your writing, and the very direct way you approach issues that most writers won’t touch. Keep up the good work!

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  • Sheesh, Sailer, let off on Levitt. You seem kind of petty to keep this up. It kind of reminds me of the old SNL skit where Will Ferrel keeps airing attack ads against another politician even after the election is over. There are plenty of people that could use your criticism for dumb stuff they say, I think you’ve fulfilled your quote when it comes to Levitt.

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