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    Updated, 9/11/15 9/4/15. See below! Throughout this blog, I've talked a lot about the American Nations – a concept, based on a book by Colin Woodard, that North America is divided into several ethno-cultural-political regional "nations". These nations are distributed approximately as shown above. The empirical bases of the existence of these ethno-cultural entities has...
  • […] Seed. Here the genetic data show that they remain alive and well. Previously, in my post Genes, Climate, and Even More Maps of the American Nations, we saw that the founding British colonists came from distinct parts of the British Isles and […]

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  • First of all, I've updated my earlier posting Genes, Climate, and Even More Maps of the American Nations. I've included a few more maps, including a map of the American Nations superimposed on average annual precipitation: Go check it out! Second, here's my occasional periodic F.U. to the more vile White Nationalist elements out there....
  • @reiner Tor
    I'm disappointed to meet so much hate on this page. Apparently you've already decided that your bigger child is a "son" without his consent (minors cannot give consent!), and your as yet unborn child will be forced into the "girl" Procrustean bed without even a chance to express herself.

    Check your cismale privilage!

    :p

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  • I’m disappointed to meet so much hate on this page. Apparently you’ve already decided that your bigger child is a “son” without his consent (minors cannot give consent!), and your as yet unborn child will be forced into the “girl” Procrustean bed without even a chance to express herself.

    Check your cismale privilage!

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  • Second, here’s my occasional periodic F.U. to the more vile White Nationalist elements out there.

    Hear, hear. (Including the caveat.)

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:

    Cute kid. “Hi-yalla” with “good hair” as my black in-laws would put it. I have a son with not-so-good hair and about as light-skinned, a very light-skinned daughter with good hair, and three grandsons who could pass for Sicilian.

    I doubt my grandsons will get any affirmative action unless they join the right Negro organizations and clubs and go Super Negro the way Ben Jealous does. With a white mama (and my smarts) my grandsons are racially excluded from hi-yalla elite organizations like Jack and Jill and thus missed out on the “I may be rich but I’m still black and oppressed so gibsmedat” group-think (thank God!).

    All in all, a pretty good turnout. They avoid ghetto trash and popular ghetto trash culture, and they all “ack white”, so I am pleased.

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  • Adorable kid. Seems like you’ve failed to mention the Cabbage Patch Kid ancestry. Is that from you or your wife? ;)

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  • That very handsome Little Fella seems to be proudly saying “my Daddy has the best HBD blog on the Internet ! “- and he is right.
    Sicko haters exist in all races. Keep up your excellent work.

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  • Nice looking kid.

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  • Cute little boy, Jayman, and congrats on your soon-to-arrive little girl. I’ll look forward to any posts from you excoriating those idiots who say gender is a social contruct.

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  • Congrats! How long before you show him your blog? :)

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  • Updated, 9/11/15 9/4/15. See below! Throughout this blog, I've talked a lot about the American Nations – a concept, based on a book by Colin Woodard, that North America is divided into several ethno-cultural-political regional "nations". These nations are distributed approximately as shown above. The empirical bases of the existence of these ethno-cultural entities has...
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Not to nitpick the American nations map, and I’m sure there’s plenty of ambiguity along the borders, but as a native of the state, I’d say the Florida division isn’t quite correct. Counties as far north as Sarasota and St. Lucie are classified as part of the Spanish Caribbean, despite having well less than 10% hispanic or Spanish-speaking populations. On the flip side Tampa and Orlando are classified as Deep South, despite having very little cultural or linguistic commonalities with Georgia or Alabama.

    To be exactly accurate (though probably too busy to divide on a map of the entire country), I’d say anything North of Orlando is Deep South. Most of Central Florida, particularly along the West Coast is a Midlands exclave (high German ancestry). Given the high Puerto Rican population Orlando should be part of the Spanish Caribbean. Core Tampa is pretty Cuban, but the metro area is relatively white and German, so it probably fits better in the Midlands exclave.

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  • Lovely. I’ve always been fascinated by how the American Nations seem to roughly outline various climatic and geographic zones (especially the division between the Midlands and the far West, which almost perfectly reflects the 100th Meridian, where the Breadbasket begins to transition into a semiarid landscape).

    Nice maps, although in some the correlation looks much looser than others.

    It would be great someday to see someone write a whole book that explains the connection between human demographic expansions and geography/climate better than Jared Diamond’s “Guns, Germs, and Steel” (and maybe remember genes…). I guess we have to do with this until then!

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  • My recent series on diet and cardiovascular health has produced some interesting findings. Within these findings, I have noticed some intriguing patterns. Following in the tradition of my "Tales of Two Maps" series, here are another set of two maps: This is the previously featured map of the year 2000 mortality rate from cardiovascular disease...
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  • @donut
    I asked this question on Razib Khan's post about the fallibility of science but got no answer. Do you think the secondhand smoke studies are good science ? It seems some choices we make especially around health and diet have moral judgements attached to them . People who don't smoke feel quite free to criticize those of us who do . It seems we're one of the groups outside the pale of PC protection . Smokers can be ridiculed , discriminated against and attacked with public policy discriminating against them . The term "politics dressed up as science" comes to mind. I've found a number of places online that claim the numbers in second hand smoke studies are fudged and I suppose it seems plausible considering the relentless campaign against smoking. So I'm curious , what do you say ?

    If it’s an uncontrolled observational study, then it generally blows scientifically, so to speak.

    Properly examining the effects of second hand smoke seems difficult, to me.

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  • I asked this question on Razib Khan’s post about the fallibility of science but got no answer. Do you think the secondhand smoke studies are good science ? It seems some choices we make especially around health and diet have moral judgements attached to them . People who don’t smoke feel quite free to criticize those of us who do . It seems we’re one of the groups outside the pale of PC protection . Smokers can be ridiculed , discriminated against and attacked with public policy discriminating against them . The term “politics dressed up as science” comes to mind. I’ve found a number of places online that claim the numbers in second hand smoke studies are fudged and I suppose it seems plausible considering the relentless campaign against smoking. So I’m curious , what do you say ?

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    @donut:

    If it's an uncontrolled observational study, then it generally blows scientifically, so to speak.

    Properly examining the effects of second hand smoke seems difficult, to me.

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  • Try for this map, Chernobyl radiation levels in europe:

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  • […] maps of life expectancy at birth across Europe, in 2004 (males top, females bottom, from here). As we’ve seen before, there is a distinct southwest to northeast gradient in life expectancy, following the rate […]

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  • […] course, it’s worth noting that I’ve previously shown that CVD mortality rates can be linked to climate, at least in […]

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  • […] from cardiovascular disease (CVD) in Europe, as I’ve previously featured (especially here, where I showed that it corresponds to average minimum winter temperatures across Europe). While it’s not colored here, it continues to get worse as you go […]

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  • Sent this to a doctor in Finland, and she says:

    In the 1960s Finnish men had the world’s highest death rate from heart disease. Heart disease was a problem all over Finland but the death rate was especially high in the province of North Karelia, an area in the eastern part of the country.

    The people of North Karelia had a quite high level of fitness and smoking was not more prevalent than in other communities. However, the problem was in the diet. The region of North Karelia was dominantly farming and the consumption of high fat dairy products such as butter, cream, whole milk and cheese was widespread. The diet was also lacking in fruits and vegetables.

    There have been major changes in dietary habits in North Karelia and Finland as a whole. The diet that used to be very high in saturated fat and salt now has one of the lowest fat contents in Europe and an average salt level.

    Finland has reduced its incidence of heart attacks by 75% since the early 1970s. The mortality rates remain still quite high compared to some other countries but results have still been tremendous and this is clearly due to the reduction in risk factors. Of the single risk factors, reduction in serum cholesterol levels has had the greatest impact.

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  • […] tale of maps), but I did find a striking association between this pattern and climatic zones (And Yet Another Tale of Two Maps). In short, it appears that areas that were colder historically have much higher rates of […]

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  • http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/08/health/study-points-to-new-culprit-in-heart-disease.html?hp&_r=0

    “Would a burst of TMAO show up in people’s blood after they ate steak? And would the same thing happen to a vegan who had not eaten meat for at least a year and who consumed the same meal?

    The answers were: yes, there was a TMAO burst in the five meat eaters; and no, the vegan did not have it. And TMAO levels turned out to predict heart attack risk in humans, the researchers found”

    Any studies on the combination of TMAO and alcohol?

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  • @chrisdavies09
    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11883-003-0086-y

    Interesting. The thing is that it’s not clear that omega-3s are helpful, because a study of fish oil supplements found no benefit in those taking it. Perhaps very large doses are needed?

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  • @Anonymous
    your explanaition might be interesting it doesn't manage to explain the strong and sharp difference taht exist between the regions of the northern border of France and their neiboring German or English regions. There is not a sharp climate difference between Normandy and southern Britain, as their is not a sharp climatic difference between Alsace-Lorraine and Baden-Wurtemberg. It is hard to believe that people from those neigboring regions are suddenly sharply intestinal differences due to genetic differences. Obviously something very important is forgoten: the cultural differences. We have to point that their is a cultural divide in Europe, especially concerning drinking habits. Globally we can notice three drinking Europes
    1. Wine-culture Europe: in south-west: France, Italy, Spain and Portugal. If these countries are strongly oriented to wine it is not only a climatical question, because once again northern France has no real reason to be more wine-growing than the Germanic bordering regions. There are obvioulsy cultural reasons, as these wine-culture areas correspond also to the Latin European countries whose language are derived from Latin. Those areas were the center of Roman culture. It was the Romans that have brought wine from the mediterranean to northern Gaul when it was at that time a beer-drinking culture. wine culture then took roots in areas were it was not so natural to have it, while the neigboring areas of England or Germany, whose culture was moslty derived from Germanic/celtic cultures oriented on beer still as they were.
    2. So the second Europe is the beer-culture Europe: British isles, Germany, central Europe. In some parts there exist a wine culture (south-western Germany), but it still is minority compared with beer-drinking culture. Beer drinking culture fit quite perfectly well with countries that are nowadays of Germanic language and culture.
    3. The third Europe, is the vodka-culture in eastern Europe, and correspond quite well also with countries of Slavic languages such as Poland, Ukraine and Russia, etc.

    There is nothing surprinsing that those three cultural groups correpond very well to the heart problems map, since it is known that daily consumption of red wine (as is done in France, Italy and Spain) has positive impact on it. Inversely heavy vodka drinking culture is obviously very bad for heart, while beer drinking is a bit less bad.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Wine_consumption_world_map.png

    deep_junior

    The alcohol belt map is worth looking at.

    Interesting find, thanks! It may be related, but is not quite as good of a fit. But, more data > less data.

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  • @Anonymous
    your explanaition might be interesting it doesn't manage to explain the strong and sharp difference taht exist between the regions of the northern border of France and their neiboring German or English regions. There is not a sharp climate difference between Normandy and southern Britain, as their is not a sharp climatic difference between Alsace-Lorraine and Baden-Wurtemberg. It is hard to believe that people from those neigboring regions are suddenly sharply intestinal differences due to genetic differences. Obviously something very important is forgoten: the cultural differences. We have to point that their is a cultural divide in Europe, especially concerning drinking habits. Globally we can notice three drinking Europes
    1. Wine-culture Europe: in south-west: France, Italy, Spain and Portugal. If these countries are strongly oriented to wine it is not only a climatical question, because once again northern France has no real reason to be more wine-growing than the Germanic bordering regions. There are obvioulsy cultural reasons, as these wine-culture areas correspond also to the Latin European countries whose language are derived from Latin. Those areas were the center of Roman culture. It was the Romans that have brought wine from the mediterranean to northern Gaul when it was at that time a beer-drinking culture. wine culture then took roots in areas were it was not so natural to have it, while the neigboring areas of England or Germany, whose culture was moslty derived from Germanic/celtic cultures oriented on beer still as they were.
    2. So the second Europe is the beer-culture Europe: British isles, Germany, central Europe. In some parts there exist a wine culture (south-western Germany), but it still is minority compared with beer-drinking culture. Beer drinking culture fit quite perfectly well with countries that are nowadays of Germanic language and culture.
    3. The third Europe, is the vodka-culture in eastern Europe, and correspond quite well also with countries of Slavic languages such as Poland, Ukraine and Russia, etc.

    There is nothing surprinsing that those three cultural groups correpond very well to the heart problems map, since it is known that daily consumption of red wine (as is done in France, Italy and Spain) has positive impact on it. Inversely heavy vodka drinking culture is obviously very bad for heart, while beer drinking is a bit less bad.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Wine_consumption_world_map.png

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  • One more interesting article ["Wine, Beer, Alcohol and Polyphenols on Cardiovascular Disease and Cancer"]:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3407993/

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    Interesting. The thing is that it's not clear that omega-3s are helpful, because a study of fish oil supplements found no benefit in those taking it. Perhaps very large doses are needed?
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  • Also worth considering is fish consumption (excellent source of Omega 3). Compare figures for eastern Europe (extremely low consumption) versus western Europe (3 – 4 times greater consumption):

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  • @free thinker
    Oh wait. I didn't realize that you were giving me link to the appropriate data. Have you tried running a regression using per capita consumption of olive oil as the predictor variable? Obviously, average winter temperature is not the real variable, but a proxy variable for something else which correlates with climate. My best guess is olive oil consumption. Others have suggested Vitamin D levels, binge drinking etc. If you have the data, regress all of these variables against the crude death rate from heart disease, and find out which of them explains the most variance. If you had a little finer resolution in the data, I m pretty sure you would find something interesting.

    “Obviously, average winter temperature is not the real variable, but a proxy variable for something else which correlates with climate.”

    What about the vasoconstriction point?

    Anyway easy to show one way or the other – if the data is available. Does a significant amount of the difference between the red and yellow zone occur during the winter months?

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  • Oh wait. I didn’t realize that you were giving me link to the appropriate data. Have you tried running a regression using per capita consumption of olive oil as the predictor variable? Obviously, average winter temperature is not the real variable, but a proxy variable for something else which correlates with climate. My best guess is olive oil consumption. Others have suggested Vitamin D levels, binge drinking etc. If you have the data, regress all of these variables against the crude death rate from heart disease, and find out which of them explains the most variance. If you had a little finer resolution in the data, I m pretty sure you would find something interesting.

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    "Obviously, average winter temperature is not the real variable, but a proxy variable for something else which correlates with climate."

    What about the vasoconstriction point?

    Anyway easy to show one way or the other - if the data is available. Does a significant amount of the difference between the red and yellow zone occur during the winter months?

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  • @free thinker
    I don't think the relation is weak at all. I have no data of my own to offer, but as a long-time "health nut" who has read extensively on this subject, it is my impression that the correlation is robust. Olive oil is the chief component of the Mediterranean diet, and considering that it may be protective against heart disease explains the "French Paradox" as well as why Italian-Americans living in Chicago have low rates of heart disease. Low rates for heart disease among the French are paradoxical only if one thinks that butter is bad for your heart instead of considering the possibility that olive oil may be good for your heart. But the medical establishment has been wrong about the role of saturated fats in heart disease for nearly 60 years now. (Trans fats were the real culprit all along.) So I am not holding my breath until they decide to retract their erroneous opinions.

    Olive oil consumption in France doesn’t appear to be all that high, though.

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  • I don’t think the relation is weak at all. I have no data of my own to offer, but as a long-time “health nut” who has read extensively on this subject, it is my impression that the correlation is robust. Olive oil is the chief component of the Mediterranean diet, and considering that it may be protective against heart disease explains the “French Paradox” as well as why Italian-Americans living in Chicago have low rates of heart disease. Low rates for heart disease among the French are paradoxical only if one thinks that butter is bad for your heart instead of considering the possibility that olive oil may be good for your heart. But the medical establishment has been wrong about the role of saturated fats in heart disease for nearly 60 years now. (Trans fats were the real culprit all along.) So I am not holding my breath until they decide to retract their erroneous opinions.

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    Olive oil consumption in France doesn't appear to be all that high, though.
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  • @Anonymous
    Olive oil is the only source of fats in the diet that is known to be protective against heart disease. If you had a map which showed percentage of calories supplied by olive oil, I think it would match the crude death rate from cardio-vascular disease even more closely than temperature does.

    The relation appears weak.

    Olive oil is the only source of fats in the diet that is known to be protective against heart disease.

    Is it really “protective”? Was that derived from suspect correlational studies?

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    Olive oil is the only source of fats in the diet that is known to be protective against heart disease. If you had a map which showed percentage of calories supplied by olive oil, I think it would match the crude death rate from cardio-vascular disease even more closely than temperature does.

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    The relation appears weak.

    Olive oil is the only source of fats in the diet that is known to be protective against heart disease.
     
    Is it really "protective"? Was that derived from suspect correlational studies?
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  • @Anonymous
    your explanaition might be interesting it doesn't manage to explain the strong and sharp difference taht exist between the regions of the northern border of France and their neiboring German or English regions. There is not a sharp climate difference between Normandy and southern Britain, as their is not a sharp climatic difference between Alsace-Lorraine and Baden-Wurtemberg. It is hard to believe that people from those neigboring regions are suddenly sharply intestinal differences due to genetic differences. Obviously something very important is forgoten: the cultural differences. We have to point that their is a cultural divide in Europe, especially concerning drinking habits. Globally we can notice three drinking Europes
    1. Wine-culture Europe: in south-west: France, Italy, Spain and Portugal. If these countries are strongly oriented to wine it is not only a climatical question, because once again northern France has no real reason to be more wine-growing than the Germanic bordering regions. There are obvioulsy cultural reasons, as these wine-culture areas correspond also to the Latin European countries whose language are derived from Latin. Those areas were the center of Roman culture. It was the Romans that have brought wine from the mediterranean to northern Gaul when it was at that time a beer-drinking culture. wine culture then took roots in areas were it was not so natural to have it, while the neigboring areas of England or Germany, whose culture was moslty derived from Germanic/celtic cultures oriented on beer still as they were.
    2. So the second Europe is the beer-culture Europe: British isles, Germany, central Europe. In some parts there exist a wine culture (south-western Germany), but it still is minority compared with beer-drinking culture. Beer drinking culture fit quite perfectly well with countries that are nowadays of Germanic language and culture.
    3. The third Europe, is the vodka-culture in eastern Europe, and correspond quite well also with countries of Slavic languages such as Poland, Ukraine and Russia, etc.

    There is nothing surprinsing that those three cultural groups correpond very well to the heart problems map, since it is known that daily consumption of red wine (as is done in France, Italy and Spain) has positive impact on it. Inversely heavy vodka drinking culture is obviously very bad for heart, while beer drinking is a bit less bad.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Wine_consumption_world_map.png

    “your explanaition might be interesting it doesn’t manage to explain the strong and sharp difference taht exist between the regions of the northern border of France and their neiboring German or English regions”

    I think you’re right that it looks like three regions rather than two so maybe there are two reasons?

    However taking what seems (from a layman’s point of view) like a good possibility i.e. the vasoconstriction point made above combined with the correlation with temperature – the original point made by the maps – then add in the effects of alcohol on vasoconstriction *and* on top of that the other obvious correlation with temperature and how adapted people are to alcohol and susceptible to alcoholism i.e. later agriculture because of the lower temperatures, especially regarding tolerance of spirits (and nb it’s not just vodka in eastern europe but whiskey in Scotland and Ireland) then

    *if* the bulk of the difference between the “red” zone and the “yellow” zone actually occur in the coldest months then i think we may have a winner.

    (the difference between the green zone and the yellow may be related to this somehow or have some other reason)

    i love maps

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  • @Anonymous
    your explanaition might be interesting it doesn't manage to explain the strong and sharp difference taht exist between the regions of the northern border of France and their neiboring German or English regions. There is not a sharp climate difference between Normandy and southern Britain, as their is not a sharp climatic difference between Alsace-Lorraine and Baden-Wurtemberg. It is hard to believe that people from those neigboring regions are suddenly sharply intestinal differences due to genetic differences. Obviously something very important is forgoten: the cultural differences. We have to point that their is a cultural divide in Europe, especially concerning drinking habits. Globally we can notice three drinking Europes
    1. Wine-culture Europe: in south-west: France, Italy, Spain and Portugal. If these countries are strongly oriented to wine it is not only a climatical question, because once again northern France has no real reason to be more wine-growing than the Germanic bordering regions. There are obvioulsy cultural reasons, as these wine-culture areas correspond also to the Latin European countries whose language are derived from Latin. Those areas were the center of Roman culture. It was the Romans that have brought wine from the mediterranean to northern Gaul when it was at that time a beer-drinking culture. wine culture then took roots in areas were it was not so natural to have it, while the neigboring areas of England or Germany, whose culture was moslty derived from Germanic/celtic cultures oriented on beer still as they were.
    2. So the second Europe is the beer-culture Europe: British isles, Germany, central Europe. In some parts there exist a wine culture (south-western Germany), but it still is minority compared with beer-drinking culture. Beer drinking culture fit quite perfectly well with countries that are nowadays of Germanic language and culture.
    3. The third Europe, is the vodka-culture in eastern Europe, and correspond quite well also with countries of Slavic languages such as Poland, Ukraine and Russia, etc.

    There is nothing surprinsing that those three cultural groups correpond very well to the heart problems map, since it is known that daily consumption of red wine (as is done in France, Italy and Spain) has positive impact on it. Inversely heavy vodka drinking culture is obviously very bad for heart, while beer drinking is a bit less bad.
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Wine_consumption_world_map.png

    Very interesting association (as tight as the one as I have here). But I’m not sure that’s the explanatory variable. As far as I know, those in Anglo countries that try to adopt wine-drinking aren’t better off than others, and the overall level of alcohol consumption doesn’t vary all that much between the SW Europeans and others.

    Diet may be key, but it’s probably so in terms of the evolutionary adaptations that that fostered in the people, and not so much what they eat/drink today. Intestinal length may be one of many such qualities.

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    your explanaition might be interesting it doesn’t manage to explain the strong and sharp difference taht exist between the regions of the northern border of France and their neiboring German or English regions. There is not a sharp climate difference between Normandy and southern Britain, as their is not a sharp climatic difference between Alsace-Lorraine and Baden-Wurtemberg. It is hard to believe that people from those neigboring regions are suddenly sharply intestinal differences due to genetic differences. Obviously something very important is forgoten: the cultural differences. We have to point that their is a cultural divide in Europe, especially concerning drinking habits. Globally we can notice three drinking Europes
    1. Wine-culture Europe: in south-west: France, Italy, Spain and Portugal. If these countries are strongly oriented to wine it is not only a climatical question, because once again northern France has no real reason to be more wine-growing than the Germanic bordering regions. There are obvioulsy cultural reasons, as these wine-culture areas correspond also to the Latin European countries whose language are derived from Latin. Those areas were the center of Roman culture. It was the Romans that have brought wine from the mediterranean to northern Gaul when it was at that time a beer-drinking culture. wine culture then took roots in areas were it was not so natural to have it, while the neigboring areas of England or Germany, whose culture was moslty derived from Germanic/celtic cultures oriented on beer still as they were.
    2. So the second Europe is the beer-culture Europe: British isles, Germany, central Europe. In some parts there exist a wine culture (south-western Germany), but it still is minority compared with beer-drinking culture. Beer drinking culture fit quite perfectly well with countries that are nowadays of Germanic language and culture.
    3. The third Europe, is the vodka-culture in eastern Europe, and correspond quite well also with countries of Slavic languages such as Poland, Ukraine and Russia, etc.

    There is nothing surprinsing that those three cultural groups correpond very well to the heart problems map, since it is known that daily consumption of red wine (as is done in France, Italy and Spain) has positive impact on it. Inversely heavy vodka drinking culture is obviously very bad for heart, while beer drinking is a bit less bad.

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    Very interesting association (as tight as the one as I have here). But I'm not sure that's the explanatory variable. As far as I know, those in Anglo countries that try to adopt wine-drinking aren't better off than others, and the overall level of alcohol consumption doesn't vary all that much between the SW Europeans and others.

    Diet may be key, but it's probably so in terms of the evolutionary adaptations that that fostered in the people, and not so much what they eat/drink today. Intestinal length may be one of many such qualities.

    , @Greying Wanderer
    "your explanaition might be interesting it doesn’t manage to explain the strong and sharp difference taht exist between the regions of the northern border of France and their neiboring German or English regions"

    I think you're right that it looks like three regions rather than two so maybe there are two reasons?

    However taking what seems (from a layman's point of view) like a good possibility i.e. the vasoconstriction point made above combined with the correlation with temperature - the original point made by the maps - then add in the effects of alcohol on vasoconstriction *and* on top of that the other obvious correlation with temperature and how adapted people are to alcohol and susceptible to alcoholism i.e. later agriculture because of the lower temperatures, especially regarding tolerance of spirits (and nb it's not just vodka in eastern europe but whiskey in Scotland and Ireland) then

    *if* the bulk of the difference between the "red" zone and the "yellow" zone actually occur in the coldest months then i think we may have a winner.


    (the difference between the green zone and the yellow may be related to this somehow or have some other reason)

    i love maps

    , @Anonymous, @JayMan

    deep_junior

    The alcohol belt map is worth looking at.
     

    Interesting find, thanks! It may be related, but is not quite as good of a fit. But, more data > less data.
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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    In f.USSR alcohol overwhelms all other factors as contributors to heart attacks. For instance, Russia's life expectancy went from 67.7 years in 1984 to 70.0 in 1986-7, that is, in a mere two years, in the period coinciding with Gorbachev's much-maligned alcohol campaign. In general, Russian life expectancy in modern times, including mortality from cardio-vascular diseases (which accounts for c.60% of all deaths), has closely tracked alcohol consumption. Here is a graph which plots mortality (black) vs estimated alcohol consumption (green) until 2003.

    Interesting. Perhaps this is so.

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  • In f.USSR alcohol overwhelms all other factors as contributors to heart attacks. For instance, Russia’s life expectancy went from 67.7 years in 1984 to 70.0 in 1986-7, that is, in a mere two years, in the period coinciding with Gorbachev’s much-maligned alcohol campaign. In general, Russian life expectancy in modern times, including mortality from cardio-vascular diseases (which accounts for c.60% of all deaths), has closely tracked alcohol consumption. Here is a graph which plots mortality (black) vs estimated alcohol consumption (green) until 2003.

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    Interesting. Perhaps this is so.
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  • @Dan
    Applause. If this is your original finding, very very good.

    These graphics would look great on the cover of Science magazine or Nature, if they are interested in either science or nature.

    Thanks! Well, it is my own discovery, but I don’t know if I’m the first one to spot it.

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  • @Bob
    US heart attack rates/ethnicity/seed zone

    http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_men_heart.htm

    http://nuvley.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/census-2000-data-top-us-ancestries-by-county.jpg

    http://www.forestseedlingnetwork.com/resources/seed-zone-maps/other-maps/usda-hardiness-zones.aspx

    Thanks. The thing that limits the useful this however is that self-reported ancestry is a bit unreliable. There does seem to be a pronounced elevation of cardiovascular mortality in the Scotch-Irish areas however, consistent with the elevated rates among the Celts in Europe.

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  • @chrisdavies09
    Apparently cold temperatures cause vasoconstriction which may partly explain higher rates of heart attacks during winter months. During cold temperatures bloodflow shifts from the peripheries of the body to the centre, and the body reacts by getting rid of some fluid to make room for the increased blood volume. These fluid shifts increase the likelihood of clotting, which likely partially accounts for the increased cardiac problems during winter or in countries with colder climates. Needless to say, smoking also causes vasoconstriction and contributes to heart disease, and many eastern European countries have high smoking rates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cigarette_consumption_per_capita

    Thanks! Great find, I will incorporate this into the main post.

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  • @Big Nose Kate
    Hello Jayman,

    you may have covered this and I've not spotted it - fat cells have a feedback loop - presumably to deal with areas prone to drought - after a period of very low food intake, fat cells increase their ability to retain fat globules - hence crash dieting is the worst strategy possible. That feedback loop is presumably not uniform amongst people either, and may depend on haplogroup/other migration ancestry of a person.

    A thought about gut length (prob something else you already know) my understanding since way back when, has been that gut length relates to the ease/difficulty of breaking down the food. Cellulose requires more stomach and gut. Wheat and rye may be harder to digest than rice. Rye has the additional problem of alkaloids and may need extra time to deal with the toxins. [I came across this interesting page whilst checking the spelling of alkaloids http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ww0703.htm]

    bw BNK

    Thanks! I think intestinal length is probably only part of the story. More importantly, it speaks to overall metabolic differences across different European groups that might contribute to what we see here. It is possible that these different groups would do differently if they had diets more suited to them, as we see suggested above.

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  • @Greying Wanderer
    I also think peoples whose diet was dominated by pastoralism the longest (because crops didn't grow well in their latitude or climate until relatively recent times compared with meditteranean latitudes) will have a different tolerance to alcohol.

    I also think peoples whose diet was dominated by pastoralism the longest (because crops didn’t grow well in their latitude or climate until relatively recent times compared with meditteranean latitudes) will have a different tolerance to alcohol.

    Quite possibly. Perhaps that explains the Celts, who are known for their drinking…

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  • @Anonymous
    Taken from:-

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1121549/

    Understanding the toll of premature death among men in eastern Europe
    Martin McKee, professor of European public health and Vladimir Shkolnikov, head of the laboratory of demographic data

    Cardiovascular disease

    "Mortality due to cardiovascular disease is greatest, relative to western Europe, in the age group 35-44. Cardiovascular disease is understood differently in Russia, in several important aspects, than in western Europe. Thus, mortality for cardiovascular disease is especially high at young ages. Deaths are also more likely to be sudden,14 and many people who die show little evidence of the expected coronary artery lesions.15 The traditional risk factors identified in western epidemiological research, such as smoking, lipid levels, and physical activity, have little predictive value.16 Indeed, lipid metabolism appears to differ in Russians and Americans.17 Instead there is growing evidence that other factors are involved. Eastern European diets, for example, are characterised not only by large amounts of fat but also by very low quantities of fruit and vegetables. Correspondingly, antioxidant activity in the blood is extremely low.18,19 The role of micronutrients in macrophage adhesion and passage of cholesterol through arterial walls provides a mechanism by which this could cause heart disease.20 The rapid reduction in cardiovascular deaths in some countries, coinciding with changes in diet, offers support for this hypothesis.21,22 Poor nutrition is thus likely to be important in explaining the overall difference in mortality compared with western Europe. Although there are some differences in the diets of men and women,23 the differential impact on health is likely to be small.

    Another factor that contributes to increased mortality due to cardiac disease is alcohol. Across northern Europe, but especially in Russia and some of its neighbours, alcohol is typically drunk as vodka and in binges,24 in contrast to a more steady consumption in southern and western Europe. A possible link with cardiac death was suspected following the observation that deaths in Moscow from cardiovascular disease increased at weekends, a finding incompatible with the effects of the traditional risk factors.25 (This was later replicated in Scotland,26 indicating the wider implications of research in eastern Europe). Binge drinking is associated with a marked increase in the risk of cardiovascular death, and in particular sudden cardiac death,27 reflecting different physiological responses to binge drinking and regular moderate consumption.28 A third factor, although one whose role is less well defined, is the high level of psychosocial stress.29.."

    Taken from:-

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1121549/

    …The rapid reduction in cardiovascular deaths in some countries, coinciding with changes in diet, offers support for this hypothesis.21,22 Poor nutrition is thus likely to be important in explaining the overall difference in mortality compared with western Europe. Although there are some differences in the diets of men and women,23 the differential impact on health is likely to be small.

    Interesting. Maybe that’s the kicker…

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  • @Greying Wanderer
    Independent of your main point is that would be another example of a tale of two maps - a sorely untapped source of low-hanging fruit imo.

    Independent of your main point is that would be another example of a tale of two maps – a sorely untapped source of low-hanging fruit imo.

    Thanks. That was my thought too.

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  • @chrisdavies09
    The deaths from cardiovascular disease map also correlates with the World Health Organization's alcohol-attributable deaths as a percentage of total deaths map (2004):

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1MDHbGOEgDQ/T17K73dpT1I/AAAAAAAAAR0/DKt3Iy7I6Mc/s1600/figure2.jpg

    It has been suggested that under communism, rates of alcoholism greatly increased in eastern European countries. In addition, alcoholism is known to contribute to vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Since certain vitamins and minerals play a key role in heart health, a deficiency in these vitamins and minerals caused by alcoholism, combined with general poor nutrition, stress, high rates of smoking, and lack of sunlight at some of the higher latitude countries, in my opinion accounts for higher rates of death from cardiovascular disease in the eastern European countries on the original map.

    Quite possible. But is that THE thing? That’s the question.

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  • @Anonymous
    Also, with far lower number of annual hours of bright sunshine further north ( for Britain, see: http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2011/06/23/met-office-in-the-media-23-june-2011/ ), inevitably there are higher rates of Vitamin D deficiency at these latitudes. Vitamin D deficiency increases risk of heart disease, according to a Danish study ( see: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120924102504.htm ). And as it happens, Scotland has far higher rates of early deaths from heart attacks versus southern England (although this is compounded by lifestyle factors also).

    While that’s certainly interesting, the study appears correlational. Hence, it’s not clear if that relationship is causal.

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  • Applause. If this is your original finding, very very good.

    These graphics would look great on the cover of Science magazine or Nature, if they are interested in either science or nature.

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    Thanks! Well, it is my own discovery, but I don't know if I'm the first one to spot it.
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    Thanks. The thing that limits the useful this however is that self-reported ancestry is a bit unreliable. There does seem to be a pronounced elevation of cardiovascular mortality in the Scotch-Irish areas however, consistent with the elevated rates among the Celts in Europe.
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  • @chrisdavies09
    Apparently cold temperatures cause vasoconstriction which may partly explain higher rates of heart attacks during winter months. During cold temperatures bloodflow shifts from the peripheries of the body to the centre, and the body reacts by getting rid of some fluid to make room for the increased blood volume. These fluid shifts increase the likelihood of clotting, which likely partially accounts for the increased cardiac problems during winter or in countries with colder climates. Needless to say, smoking also causes vasoconstriction and contributes to heart disease, and many eastern European countries have high smoking rates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cigarette_consumption_per_capita

    “Apparently cold temperatures cause vasoconstriction which may partly explain higher rates of heart attacks during winter months.”

    Doesn’t alcohol exacerbate that? I vaguely recall first aid lectures where it was said giving alcohol to people with hypothermia was a bad idea?

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  • @Anonymous
    Taken from:-

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1121549/

    Understanding the toll of premature death among men in eastern Europe
    Martin McKee, professor of European public health and Vladimir Shkolnikov, head of the laboratory of demographic data

    Cardiovascular disease

    "Mortality due to cardiovascular disease is greatest, relative to western Europe, in the age group 35-44. Cardiovascular disease is understood differently in Russia, in several important aspects, than in western Europe. Thus, mortality for cardiovascular disease is especially high at young ages. Deaths are also more likely to be sudden,14 and many people who die show little evidence of the expected coronary artery lesions.15 The traditional risk factors identified in western epidemiological research, such as smoking, lipid levels, and physical activity, have little predictive value.16 Indeed, lipid metabolism appears to differ in Russians and Americans.17 Instead there is growing evidence that other factors are involved. Eastern European diets, for example, are characterised not only by large amounts of fat but also by very low quantities of fruit and vegetables. Correspondingly, antioxidant activity in the blood is extremely low.18,19 The role of micronutrients in macrophage adhesion and passage of cholesterol through arterial walls provides a mechanism by which this could cause heart disease.20 The rapid reduction in cardiovascular deaths in some countries, coinciding with changes in diet, offers support for this hypothesis.21,22 Poor nutrition is thus likely to be important in explaining the overall difference in mortality compared with western Europe. Although there are some differences in the diets of men and women,23 the differential impact on health is likely to be small.

    Another factor that contributes to increased mortality due to cardiac disease is alcohol. Across northern Europe, but especially in Russia and some of its neighbours, alcohol is typically drunk as vodka and in binges,24 in contrast to a more steady consumption in southern and western Europe. A possible link with cardiac death was suspected following the observation that deaths in Moscow from cardiovascular disease increased at weekends, a finding incompatible with the effects of the traditional risk factors.25 (This was later replicated in Scotland,26 indicating the wider implications of research in eastern Europe). Binge drinking is associated with a marked increase in the risk of cardiovascular death, and in particular sudden cardiac death,27 reflecting different physiological responses to binge drinking and regular moderate consumption.28 A third factor, although one whose role is less well defined, is the high level of psychosocial stress.29.."

    I also think peoples whose diet was dominated by pastoralism the longest (because crops didn’t grow well in their latitude or climate until relatively recent times compared with meditteranean latitudes) will have a different tolerance to alcohol.

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    I also think peoples whose diet was dominated by pastoralism the longest (because crops didn’t grow well in their latitude or climate until relatively recent times compared with meditteranean latitudes) will have a different tolerance to alcohol.
     
    Quite possibly. Perhaps that explains the Celts, who are known for their drinking...
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  • @chrisdavies09
    The deaths from cardiovascular disease map also correlates with the World Health Organization's alcohol-attributable deaths as a percentage of total deaths map (2004):

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1MDHbGOEgDQ/T17K73dpT1I/AAAAAAAAAR0/DKt3Iy7I6Mc/s1600/figure2.jpg

    It has been suggested that under communism, rates of alcoholism greatly increased in eastern European countries. In addition, alcoholism is known to contribute to vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Since certain vitamins and minerals play a key role in heart health, a deficiency in these vitamins and minerals caused by alcoholism, combined with general poor nutrition, stress, high rates of smoking, and lack of sunlight at some of the higher latitude countries, in my opinion accounts for higher rates of death from cardiovascular disease in the eastern European countries on the original map.

    Independent of your main point is that would be another example of a tale of two maps – a sorely untapped source of low-hanging fruit imo.

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    Independent of your main point is that would be another example of a tale of two maps – a sorely untapped source of low-hanging fruit imo.
     
    Thanks. That was my thought too.
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  • Apparently cold temperatures cause vasoconstriction which may partly explain higher rates of heart attacks during winter months. During cold temperatures bloodflow shifts from the peripheries of the body to the centre, and the body reacts by getting rid of some fluid to make room for the increased blood volume. These fluid shifts increase the likelihood of clotting, which likely partially accounts for the increased cardiac problems during winter or in countries with colder climates. Needless to say, smoking also causes vasoconstriction and contributes to heart disease, and many eastern European countries have high smoking rates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_cigarette_consumption_per_capita

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    "Apparently cold temperatures cause vasoconstriction which may partly explain higher rates of heart attacks during winter months."

    Doesn't alcohol exacerbate that? I vaguely recall first aid lectures where it was said giving alcohol to people with hypothermia was a bad idea?

    , @JayMan
    Thanks! Great find, I will incorporate this into the main post.
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  • Hello Jayman,

    you may have covered this and I’ve not spotted it – fat cells have a feedback loop – presumably to deal with areas prone to drought – after a period of very low food intake, fat cells increase their ability to retain fat globules – hence crash dieting is the worst strategy possible. That feedback loop is presumably not uniform amongst people either, and may depend on haplogroup/other migration ancestry of a person.

    A thought about gut length (prob something else you already know) my understanding since way back when, has been that gut length relates to the ease/difficulty of breaking down the food. Cellulose requires more stomach and gut. Wheat and rye may be harder to digest than rice. Rye has the additional problem of alkaloids and may need extra time to deal with the toxins. [I came across this interesting page whilst checking the spelling of alkaloids http://waynesword.palomar.edu/ww0703.htm

    bw BNK

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    Thanks! I think intestinal length is probably only part of the story. More importantly, it speaks to overall metabolic differences across different European groups that might contribute to what we see here. It is possible that these different groups would do differently if they had diets more suited to them, as we see suggested above.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Taken from:-

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1121549/

    Understanding the toll of premature death among men in eastern Europe
    Martin McKee, professor of European public health and Vladimir Shkolnikov, head of the laboratory of demographic data

    Cardiovascular disease

    “Mortality due to cardiovascular disease is greatest, relative to western Europe, in the age group 35-44. Cardiovascular disease is understood differently in Russia, in several important aspects, than in western Europe. Thus, mortality for cardiovascular disease is especially high at young ages. Deaths are also more likely to be sudden,14 and many people who die show little evidence of the expected coronary artery lesions.15 The traditional risk factors identified in western epidemiological research, such as smoking, lipid levels, and physical activity, have little predictive value.16 Indeed, lipid metabolism appears to differ in Russians and Americans.17 Instead there is growing evidence that other factors are involved. Eastern European diets, for example, are characterised not only by large amounts of fat but also by very low quantities of fruit and vegetables. Correspondingly, antioxidant activity in the blood is extremely low.18,19 The role of micronutrients in macrophage adhesion and passage of cholesterol through arterial walls provides a mechanism by which this could cause heart disease.20 The rapid reduction in cardiovascular deaths in some countries, coinciding with changes in diet, offers support for this hypothesis.21,22 Poor nutrition is thus likely to be important in explaining the overall difference in mortality compared with western Europe. Although there are some differences in the diets of men and women,23 the differential impact on health is likely to be small.

    Another factor that contributes to increased mortality due to cardiac disease is alcohol. Across northern Europe, but especially in Russia and some of its neighbours, alcohol is typically drunk as vodka and in binges,24 in contrast to a more steady consumption in southern and western Europe. A possible link with cardiac death was suspected following the observation that deaths in Moscow from cardiovascular disease increased at weekends, a finding incompatible with the effects of the traditional risk factors.25 (This was later replicated in Scotland,26 indicating the wider implications of research in eastern Europe). Binge drinking is associated with a marked increase in the risk of cardiovascular death, and in particular sudden cardiac death,27 reflecting different physiological responses to binge drinking and regular moderate consumption.28 A third factor, although one whose role is less well defined, is the high level of psychosocial stress.29..”

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    I also think peoples whose diet was dominated by pastoralism the longest (because crops didn't grow well in their latitude or climate until relatively recent times compared with meditteranean latitudes) will have a different tolerance to alcohol.
    , @JayMan

    Taken from:-

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1121549/

    ...The rapid reduction in cardiovascular deaths in some countries, coinciding with changes in diet, offers support for this hypothesis.21,22 Poor nutrition is thus likely to be important in explaining the overall difference in mortality compared with western Europe. Although there are some differences in the diets of men and women,23 the differential impact on health is likely to be small.
     

    Interesting. Maybe that's the kicker...
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  • [...] And Yet Another Tale of Two Maps – from jayman. [...]

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  • The deaths from cardiovascular disease map also correlates with the World Health Organization’s alcohol-attributable deaths as a percentage of total deaths map (2004):

    It has been suggested that under communism, rates of alcoholism greatly increased in eastern European countries. In addition, alcoholism is known to contribute to vitamin and mineral deficiencies. Since certain vitamins and minerals play a key role in heart health, a deficiency in these vitamins and minerals caused by alcoholism, combined with general poor nutrition, stress, high rates of smoking, and lack of sunlight at some of the higher latitude countries, in my opinion accounts for higher rates of death from cardiovascular disease in the eastern European countries on the original map.

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    Independent of your main point is that would be another example of a tale of two maps - a sorely untapped source of low-hanging fruit imo.
    , @JayMan
    Quite possible. But is that THE thing? That's the question.
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  • @Anthony
    I'm still seeing the rust of the Iron Curtain, somewhat more than temperature. Otherwise, why are the Bavarians and Swiss healthier than Croats?

    Croats are Slavs :) So they may come from the stock, which (because of original environment) is somewhat more susceptible to the factors causing heart diseases.

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  • I’m still seeing the rust of the Iron Curtain, somewhat more than temperature. Otherwise, why are the Bavarians and Swiss healthier than Croats?

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    Croats are Slavs :) So they may come from the stock, which (because of original environment) is somewhat more susceptible to the factors causing heart diseases.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Also, with far lower number of annual hours of bright sunshine further north ( for Britain, see: http://metofficenews.wordpress.com/2011/06/23/met-office-in-the-media-23-june-2011/ ), inevitably there are higher rates of Vitamin D deficiency at these latitudes. Vitamin D deficiency increases risk of heart disease, according to a Danish study ( see: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120924102504.htm ). And as it happens, Scotland has far higher rates of early deaths from heart attacks versus southern England (although this is compounded by lifestyle factors also).

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    While that's certainly interesting, the study appears correlational. Hence, it's not clear if that relationship is causal.
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  • In most Russian bookstores, there is a bookshelf or two dedicated to so-called "patriotic literature" - reappraisals of Stalin against "liberal revisionism", overviews of Russia's secret super-weapons, the exploits of its special forces and Russian theo-philosophy. Much of it is (apparent) nonsense, but the economic crisis has forced me to reconsider one particular "patriotic" thesis...
  • This post is a meta-commentary on media coverage of Russia's drought and wildfires. Now make no mistake, I admire the yeoman work of some journalists in covering Russia burning: no doubt a few will even make their way into the classical cannon such as The Saga of the Burned Foot (Miriam Elder) or The Tale...
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  • One of the major issues in our world today is that we're a people of specialties. This means that we don't have basic interpretative frameworks in which to place novel facts. Because of the abstruse and formal nature of the discipline, this is probably starkest in the domain of science, but it is not restricted...
  • For a nice view of the small east-west gradient (Feb 2004) see

    http://www.newportgeographic.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=133

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  • Why it forms, I have no idea. I’d guess it has something to do with the edge of a continent, but why does it form off California instead of Oregon, or British Columbia?

    the latitude has to do with patterns of rising and descending air. the hot air where the sun is striking at the highest angle (directly above) at the equator rises, which means that air has to fall somewhere else (high pressure). that zone is to the north and south, in the subtropical zone. in the northern hemisphere that zone shifts south the winter, because the peak radiation is moving toward the tropic of capricorn. this means there is a dry season in the monsoonal zone, and a wet season in southern temperate zone as the high pressure shifts south.

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  • San Luis Obispo, along with most of California, has dry summers because a high-pressure system which blocks storms off the Pacific builds up offshore and stays there most of the summer. If the high-pressure system moves north of its usual location, Oregon and Washington have a summer drought, while LA might get spinoff rainfall from hurricanes off the coast of Mexico.

    Why it forms, I have no idea. I’d guess it has something to do with the edge of a continent, but why does it form off California instead of Oregon, or British Columbia?

    Speaking of world-wide visualizations, I’ve read that most of Africa is rather higher than the non-mountainous parts of other continents – that the continent is essentially one big plateau with some mountains along the East African Rift Zone. Before I read that, I had no clue that was true (or if it actually is). Nor do I have any idea why, in plate-tectonic terms, that should be so, or what effect it causes on Africa’s climate.

    Another bit of ignorance was dispelled after reading an article in The Economist, where I read that some rather significant part of inland Brazil is not rain forest, but is actually potentially quite rich farmland – and potentially dust bowl if managed wrong.

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  • rather, facing the equator

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  • Razib:
    A fifth point.
    Low pressure emanating from tropical heat or from cold fronts spun off the polar winters will deliver weather from the opposite direction to that from which it is delivered by the Coriolis effect. So, facing the poles, the Coriolis causes a rightward veering as the Earth rotates out from under the atmosphere , low pressure causes the opposite with inward spiraling.
    Check it out on MIMIC

    http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/tpw2/global/main.html

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  • I tell Americans that all of Ireland is farther North than Trois Rivieres. Of course then I have to explain where Trois Rivieres is and that it’s a cold place in Canada.

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  • Regarding how far north Europe is I always point out to my american friends that Ireland is as far north as southern Alaska and at same latitude as southern part of Bay of Hudson in Canada. So when they are complaining about rain in winter I say “It could be worse we could have Polar bears and Icebergs!”

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  • i need to think on it. i don’t know that stuff well anyhow, so i’m muddling along like everyone else.

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  • Off-topic: what do you think of the supposed refutation of the Paleolithic revolution giving rise to behavioral modernity?
    Times like these make wish John Hawks had a comment section.

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  • In most Russian bookstores, there is a bookshelf or two dedicated to so-called "patriotic literature" - reappraisals of Stalin against "liberal revisionism", overviews of Russia's secret super-weapons, the exploits of its special forces and Russian theo-philosophy. Much of it is (apparent) nonsense, but the economic crisis has forced me to reconsider one particular "patriotic" thesis...
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  • Thanksgiving in the tropics: One aspect of the East Eurasian temperate zones is that they are far to the south of the West Eurasian temperate zones. Cork, Ireland, at about the same latitude as Petropavlovsk, Kamchatka, and eight degrees further north than Vladivostok! But since Steve brought up Hawaii, let's compare highs and lows in...
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  • Why are you reviewing Physical Geography for Fourteen Year Olds? Back to the genetics, please.

    Sorry, I’ve just realised. You’re poking fun at the provincialism of your fellow Americans. Naughty boy. Subtle, but naughty.

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  • I’ve definitely noticed this too. One thing, is that many Chinese cities tend to have very low diurnal temperature variations (relative to cities of similar elevation and latitude in the United States). highs of 90/lows of 77 are very common in July in Chinese cities. For many of them, the difference between high and low is often only as much as 15 degrees throughout the year.

    At sea level, many low-latitude Chinese cities (Xuzhou, Hefei, Zhengzhou, etc) frequently snow and start having cold winters at latitudes of 35 degrees (they’re at the same latitude as North Carolina, whose cities hardly have any snow). Even Changsha (at latitude 28 north) will have frost every year, and has snow at many winters (this is the same latitude as Orlando). And sea-level Seoul, in particular, has notoriously cold winters for its latitude (37 degrees North) – far colder than similar-latitude cities on the east coast like Richmond. Sea-level cities with winter high temperatures of 41 degrees or below are very rare below latitudes of 39 degrees in non-Asian countries (they only start happening at latitudes of Kansas City and Philadelphia), but are still common among sea-level Chinese cities at latitudes of 35-36 degrees.

    Even Chenzhou, at 25 degrees latitude North, averages 24 days of below-32 temperatures every year. That’s further south than New Delhi and at the same latitude as Miami. In fact, for most of Chinese history before the Yuan Dynasty, almost all of the activity happened below 37 degrees of latitude (or basically, everywhere south of Richmond, Virginia). Latitude-wise, it’s like the Civil War being fought by cities near Richmond’s latitude (those latitudes were the *cold* north!) and cities near Orlando’s latitude (many of them which still had snowstorms – battles in the Three Kingdoms period had notorious snowstorms even in the Wu Kingdom). But any avid reader of Chinese history will recognize that snowstorms were very common even at those latitudes, and these snowstorms frequently affected Chinese military history in significant ways.

    I’ve written some more about this but I can’t find my old post on it.

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  • yep. also, much more evident on the eastern sides of continents, proportional to the wide of the continent.

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  • The soviet legacy is something we can either love or hate but none of us can ever ignore it. I don’t consider that Soviet Russia was a competition to USA in terms of money and power but I found it to be more of an ideological conflict. In that ideological conflict, US clearly has won and the future for Russia is clearly unknown.

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  • This post is a meta-commentary on media coverage of Russia's drought and wildfires. Now make no mistake, I admire the yeoman work of some journalists in covering Russia burning: no doubt a few will even make their way into the classical cannon such as The Saga of the Burned Foot (Miriam Elder) or The Tale...
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  • [...] about the Russian drought and wildfires on his blog Sublime Oblivion. He expresses concern over how the current situation may harm the world’s poorest countries. “The [agricultural] depression [in Russia] may continue for another two years, if the earth [...]

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  • [...] about the Russian drought and wildfires on his blog Sublime Oblivion. He expresses concern over how the current situation may harm the world’s poorest countries. “The [agricultural] depression [in Russia] may continue for another two years, if the earth is [...]

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  • [...] about the Russian drought and wildfires on his blog Sublime Oblivion. He expresses concern over how the current situation may harm the world's poorest countries. “The [agricultural] depression [in Russia] may continue for another two years, if the earth [...]

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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    Believe me, I've had no shortage of middle-aged Russophobic Russian-American women wanting a love-hate relationship before Ella came along! ;)

    Since you appear to be following the Kyrgyz situation much more than I do, how influential is this СССР party? Are they allied with Roza Otunbayeva? They seem like a good party, but can any political model dig the Kyrgyz economy out of its continuing post-Soviet hyperdepression?

    Hey, come on, Anatoly! I am betting you Ella is a red-hot sexy cougar! Maybe we can convince her to post her photo on your blog so we can tell for sure…
    Seriously, though… Unfortunately all I know about Kyrgyzia is what I read in the online gazettes. I have no idea if this CCCP party has any influence or is just a tiny fringe group. I hope they do well in the upcoming elections, but maybe that’s just wishful thinking of my part. I can’t seem to find much substantial material, let alone something like an opinion poll. Roza seems like a good leader, she is really trying to hold things together in a very difficult situation. I wish Russia would help her more. It is significant that Putin was the first person she turned to for help. He turned her down, which disappointed me, but I do admit he probably had a good reason. I know that Americans are very interested in establishing their dominance there, in the Fergana Valley, which they consider the strategic key to controlling all energy resources of Eurasia. (I think I read that in Stratfor, let me see if I can find some links…)

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  • @Yalensis
    "I detest all your ideas and thoughts expressed in your ruminations."
    That reminds me of a line in some movie I once watched:
    "I loathe and despise you with every fiber of my being ... and yet I feel strangely attracted to you..." [followed by big kissing scene]
    :)

    In other news... hey everyone, check out this article in regnum about Kyrgyzia, this stuff is right up my alley:
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1315037.html

    Believe me, I’ve had no shortage of middle-aged Russophobic Russian-American women wanting a love-hate relationship before Ella came along! ;)

    Since you appear to be following the Kyrgyz situation much more than I do, how influential is this СССР party? Are they allied with Roza Otunbayeva? They seem like a good party, but can any political model dig the Kyrgyz economy out of its continuing post-Soviet hyperdepression?

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    Hey, come on, Anatoly! I am betting you Ella is a red-hot sexy cougar! Maybe we can convince her to post her photo on your blog so we can tell for sure...
    Seriously, though... Unfortunately all I know about Kyrgyzia is what I read in the online gazettes. I have no idea if this CCCP party has any influence or is just a tiny fringe group. I hope they do well in the upcoming elections, but maybe that's just wishful thinking of my part. I can't seem to find much substantial material, let alone something like an opinion poll. Roza seems like a good leader, she is really trying to hold things together in a very difficult situation. I wish Russia would help her more. It is significant that Putin was the first person she turned to for help. He turned her down, which disappointed me, but I do admit he probably had a good reason. I know that Americans are very interested in establishing their dominance there, in the Fergana Valley, which they consider the strategic key to controlling all energy resources of Eurasia. (I think I read that in Stratfor, let me see if I can find some links...)
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  • @Ella
    Yes, I am who I say I am. And, no I am not going to read your posts. I detest all your ideas and thoughts expressed in your ruminations. I learned about this particular post because someone had told me about it. And yes, my daughter is in the States, because her injury turned out to be more serious to be treated properly in Russia. As to the rest of your reply, I really do not care what you or your apologists on this blog say.

    “I detest all your ideas and thoughts expressed in your ruminations.”
    That reminds me of a line in some movie I once watched:
    “I loathe and despise you with every fiber of my being … and yet I feel strangely attracted to you…” [followed by big kissing scene] :)

    In other news… hey everyone, check out this article in regnum about Kyrgyzia, this stuff is right up my alley:

    http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1315037.html

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Believe me, I've had no shortage of middle-aged Russophobic Russian-American women wanting a love-hate relationship before Ella came along! ;)

    Since you appear to be following the Kyrgyz situation much more than I do, how influential is this СССР party? Are they allied with Roza Otunbayeva? They seem like a good party, but can any political model dig the Kyrgyz economy out of its continuing post-Soviet hyperdepression?

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  • @Ella
    Yes, I am who I say I am. And, no I am not going to read your posts. I detest all your ideas and thoughts expressed in your ruminations. I learned about this particular post because someone had told me about it. And yes, my daughter is in the States, because her injury turned out to be more serious to be treated properly in Russia. As to the rest of your reply, I really do not care what you or your apologists on this blog say.

    “As to the rest of your reply, I really do not care what you or your apologists on this blog say.”
    - Now, now, now – we should not tell lies here, and we all know this one is not true or you would not have and read and then posted on this thread in the first place.

    “because her injury turned out to be more serious to be treated properly in Russia.
    - This is a common symptom of Russian liberalism and the self-hating, self-exile – the idea that Russians can’t do anything right and that everything is somehow better in the West. My wife and I have discovered after living in Russia, the USA, and the UK over the last decade – that the best medical care in terms of treatment, cost, and bedside manner, is in Russia by far (the only thing you are likely to get in the USA is some underqualified overpayed hack shoving unnecessary drugs down your throat as his sportscar and house are dependent on his pay as a shill to some pharmaceutical giant or private health care insurance ponzi scheme). We would not think of getting treatment anywhere else We can suggest suggest the name of a very good clinic with the best doctors in Moskva if you want the next time your little girl burns her toes or scrapes her knees while on safari in the big bad Russia while writing her Yellow Press bile.

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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    Thanks for your comment Ella, I love you too.

    Now assuming you are who you claim to be, I'll address the sole point that is (tangentially) related to the topic of this post.

    Miriam wrote a journalistic story about her foot and the burning sandpit. Julia Ioffe referenced it in the New Yorker. Miriam then tweeted about how Julia made her foot famous. The only "callous" thing I did was paraphrase your daughter's own words and sense of humor.

    Furthermore, do bear in mind that to me - as to everyone else who only knows Miriam through her writings on the Internet - she is a journalist and a public figure (and incidentally one who can always comfortably fly back to America for medical treatment when Russia turns the heat on). I do wish her a speedy recovery, but why you expect me to express special concern or respect for her must remain a mystery.

    I don't really feel the need to respond to the rest of your post, especially since I've already done so here. You might benefit from reading it.

    Best,
    Падонок Всея Руси.

    Yes, I am who I say I am. And, no I am not going to read your posts. I detest all your ideas and thoughts expressed in your ruminations. I learned about this particular post because someone had told me about it. And yes, my daughter is in the States, because her injury turned out to be more serious to be treated properly in Russia. As to the rest of your reply, I really do not care what you or your apologists on this blog say.

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    "As to the rest of your reply, I really do not care what you or your apologists on this blog say."
    - Now, now, now - we should not tell lies here, and we all know this one is not true or you would not have and read and then posted on this thread in the first place.

    "because her injury turned out to be more serious to be treated properly in Russia.
    - This is a common symptom of Russian liberalism and the self-hating, self-exile - the idea that Russians can't do anything right and that everything is somehow better in the West. My wife and I have discovered after living in Russia, the USA, and the UK over the last decade - that the best medical care in terms of treatment, cost, and bedside manner, is in Russia by far (the only thing you are likely to get in the USA is some underqualified overpayed hack shoving unnecessary drugs down your throat as his sportscar and house are dependent on his pay as a shill to some pharmaceutical giant or private health care insurance ponzi scheme). We would not think of getting treatment anywhere else We can suggest suggest the name of a very good clinic with the best doctors in Moskva if you want the next time your little girl burns her toes or scrapes her knees while on safari in the big bad Russia while writing her Yellow Press bile.

    , @Yalensis
    "I detest all your ideas and thoughts expressed in your ruminations."
    That reminds me of a line in some movie I once watched:
    "I loathe and despise you with every fiber of my being ... and yet I feel strangely attracted to you..." [followed by big kissing scene]
    :)

    In other news... hey everyone, check out this article in regnum about Kyrgyzia, this stuff is right up my alley:
    http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1315037.html

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  • @Ella
    I am responding a little bit late to this post but I usually do not read your blog as I consider it the extension of Russia Today, a Kremlin paid propaganda channel which for me is easy to recognize as I had grown up and lived in Soviet Russia for more than 30 years. Tell me, Anatoly Karlin, who are you to judge what western journalists have to go through to cover stories about Russia, when you are sitting comfortably in California and watching Russia Today and interviewing so called experts as people Lavelle and the likes of him. I am the mother of Miriam Elder and I am outraged at your callous remark about the burns she suffered while covering fires in Russia. Have you even talked to her? Have you seen the injury? Do you know what she is going through right now?
    How dare you? You are a little bitter man fancying yourself to be a great philosopher and an expert. You know nothing!!!! Вы очень непорядочный человек! Вы подонок.


    Ella

    Ella, you are out of line and you owe everyone on this forum an apology. No one said anything derogatory about your daughter. We are trying to have civilized discussion about important issues. If you have political disagreements with Anatoly, that is your right, but it is childish on your part to resort to personal abuse and name-calling.

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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    Thanks for your comment Ella, I love you too.

    Now assuming you are who you claim to be, I'll address the sole point that is (tangentially) related to the topic of this post.

    Miriam wrote a journalistic story about her foot and the burning sandpit. Julia Ioffe referenced it in the New Yorker. Miriam then tweeted about how Julia made her foot famous. The only "callous" thing I did was paraphrase your daughter's own words and sense of humor.

    Furthermore, do bear in mind that to me - as to everyone else who only knows Miriam through her writings on the Internet - she is a journalist and a public figure (and incidentally one who can always comfortably fly back to America for medical treatment when Russia turns the heat on). I do wish her a speedy recovery, but why you expect me to express special concern or respect for her must remain a mystery.

    I don't really feel the need to respond to the rest of your post, especially since I've already done so here. You might benefit from reading it.

    Best,
    Падонок Всея Руси.

    IMHO That was uneccesary. You really didn’t need to respond to a liberal (and I say that word with the same innotation I might say Guinea Worm or other parasite) Russia-Watching blogger’s self-exiled self-hating mother running hysterically off her porch to stop the kids from picking on her special little girl and to kiss her boo boo and make it all better… Beneath your dignity to respond to that.

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  • @Ella
    I am responding a little bit late to this post but I usually do not read your blog as I consider it the extension of Russia Today, a Kremlin paid propaganda channel which for me is easy to recognize as I had grown up and lived in Soviet Russia for more than 30 years. Tell me, Anatoly Karlin, who are you to judge what western journalists have to go through to cover stories about Russia, when you are sitting comfortably in California and watching Russia Today and interviewing so called experts as people Lavelle and the likes of him. I am the mother of Miriam Elder and I am outraged at your callous remark about the burns she suffered while covering fires in Russia. Have you even talked to her? Have you seen the injury? Do you know what she is going through right now?
    How dare you? You are a little bitter man fancying yourself to be a great philosopher and an expert. You know nothing!!!! Вы очень непорядочный человек! Вы подонок.


    Ella

    Thanks for your comment Ella, I love you too.

    Now assuming you are who you claim to be, I’ll address the sole point that is (tangentially) related to the topic of this post.

    Miriam wrote a journalistic story about her foot and the burning sandpit. Julia Ioffe referenced it in the New Yorker. Miriam then tweeted about how Julia made her foot famous. The only “callous” thing I did was paraphrase your daughter’s own words and sense of humor.

    Furthermore, do bear in mind that to me – as to everyone else who only knows Miriam through her writings on the Internet – she is a journalist and a public figure (and incidentally one who can always comfortably fly back to America for medical treatment when Russia turns the heat on). I do wish her a speedy recovery, but why you expect me to express special concern or respect for her must remain a mystery.

    I don’t really feel the need to respond to the rest of your post, especially since I’ve already done so here. You might benefit from reading it.

    Best,
    Падонок Всея Руси.

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    IMHO That was uneccesary. You really didn't need to respond to a liberal (and I say that word with the same innotation I might say Guinea Worm or other parasite) Russia-Watching blogger's self-exiled self-hating mother running hysterically off her porch to stop the kids from picking on her special little girl and to kiss her boo boo and make it all better... Beneath your dignity to respond to that.
    , @Ella
    Yes, I am who I say I am. And, no I am not going to read your posts. I detest all your ideas and thoughts expressed in your ruminations. I learned about this particular post because someone had told me about it. And yes, my daughter is in the States, because her injury turned out to be more serious to be treated properly in Russia. As to the rest of your reply, I really do not care what you or your apologists on this blog say.
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  • @Anonymous
    It's not climate change; It's weather. Next year could be soaking wet.

    It would be weather if it were within normal bounds (e.g. last 100 years) of expected temperature maximums. Becomes much harder to hold that view when it’s once in 15,000 years assuming that climatic conditions are stable.

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