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    No, they don't indiscriminately project every negative attribute on each other. The various stereotypes in the region have a long history, they don't just completely change instantly depending on what the political situation is like at the moment. Rural primitivism is one of them, but stupidity or slowness just isn't. The big stereotype about Montenegrins is that they're lazy. If their average IQ was really so low, it seems obvious the others would taunt them over it. The Croats would especially have plenty of motivation to do so, as Montenegrins shelled Croatia's south in 1991. And yet they don't.

    Sure, popular prejudices don't prove anything, but they're enough for me to be skeptical of this. Are there other examples of the higher IQ group having no clue whatsoever that the other group is, on average, significantly dimmer?

    Bringing up Murray as proof that these estimates are correct doesn't make sense when Croats and Slovenes, with their supposedly much higher IQ, are just as irrelevant in Murray's findings.

    I don't reject the possibility of a difference in average IQ between these countries but, if there is one, I'd expect it to be a couple of points, similar to the one Lynn finds between Austria and the northwestern ex-Yugoslavian countries. My reluctance is surprise and skepticism not over there being an IQ gap, but over the size of this supposed gap, based on years of experience in the region.

    Very well, but without prolonging this further, let me ask you one question. If your problem is with the IQ disparity between Croats and Serbs, how is it that you can take that disparity as an excuse to revise Serb IQ upwards instead of revising Croat IQ downwards?

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    Then how do you explain Slovenia having a much higher per capita GDP than Croatia? There's no Lynn IQ explanation there. People in the region see all of it as a consequence of which empire which country was part of historically. Slovenia and, to a lesser degree, Croatia had the advantage of being part of Austria-Hungary.

    Sure. Are people seriously claiming that Serbs genetically have a 6 point or whatever IQ disadvantage vs. Croats? The real and measurable Serb IQ disadvantage is probably mostly environmental and probably due to Serbs having been in the Balkan rather Austro-Hungarian world.

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    @Irving
    Being that Croats and serbs fought a genocidal war vs one another, and hate each other till this day, it's hard to believe that of all the negative stereotypes they must of each other, none have to do with insulting the others intelligence. After all the bad blood, they probably project every negative attribute one each other indiscriminately. The point here is that it doesn't seem valid to base your rejection of the evidence for low serbia and Montenegrin iq on the basis of what the popular prejudices in that region may or may not be.

    And, I only brought up Murray in order to point out that were the serbs and Montenegrin s smarter than the evidence suggests they are, the expectation would be that they would be more intellectually accomplished than they are. After all, it makes sense that not much of value has come out of black africa, considering mean it's there. And the same is the case with the serbs.

    Anyway, there's been much research on this done by Lynn and Rushton, and many others besides, so I really don't get your reluctance to accept what the evidence, which is abundant, clearly suggests.

    No, they don’t indiscriminately project every negative attribute on each other. The various stereotypes in the region have a long history, they don’t just completely change instantly depending on what the political situation is like at the moment. Rural primitivism is one of them, but stupidity or slowness just isn’t. The big stereotype about Montenegrins is that they’re lazy. If their average IQ was really so low, it seems obvious the others would taunt them over it. The Croats would especially have plenty of motivation to do so, as Montenegrins shelled Croatia’s south in 1991. And yet they don’t.

    Sure, popular prejudices don’t prove anything, but they’re enough for me to be skeptical of this. Are there other examples of the higher IQ group having no clue whatsoever that the other group is, on average, significantly dimmer?

    Bringing up Murray as proof that these estimates are correct doesn’t make sense when Croats and Slovenes, with their supposedly much higher IQ, are just as irrelevant in Murray’s findings.

    I don’t reject the possibility of a difference in average IQ between these countries but, if there is one, I’d expect it to be a couple of points, similar to the one Lynn finds between Austria and the northwestern ex-Yugoslavian countries. My reluctance is surprise and skepticism not over there being an IQ gap, but over the size of this supposed gap, based on years of experience in the region.

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    Very well, but without prolonging this further, let me ask you one question. If your problem is with the IQ disparity between Croats and Serbs, how is it that you can take that disparity as an excuse to revise Serb IQ upwards instead of revising Croat IQ downwards?
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    @AP
    Croatia has a much higher per capita GDP than Serbia or Montenegro, without a non-IQ explanation such as having superior natural resources. And this has been historically the case. Croatia's literacy rate is 99.2%, Serbia's is 98%. Croatia's tertiary education rate in 2012 was 62%, Serbia's 52%:

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.TER.ENRR

    There is nothing surprising about Serbs having significantly low mean IQ than Croats.

    Then how do you explain Slovenia having a much higher per capita GDP than Croatia? There’s no Lynn IQ explanation there. People in the region see all of it as a consequence of which empire which country was part of historically. Slovenia and, to a lesser degree, Croatia had the advantage of being part of Austria-Hungary.

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    Sure. Are people seriously claiming that Serbs genetically have a 6 point or whatever IQ disadvantage vs. Croats? The real and measurable Serb IQ disadvantage is probably mostly environmental and probably due to Serbs having been in the Balkan rather Austro-Hungarian world.
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  • @Anonymous
    Of course a population with an average IQ of 86 will still produce intelligent people. But these are neighboring groups that speak the same language and spent a century as part of the same country, they know each other intimately. They have so many stereotypes of each other, yet none of them are about the other group being dim. I can't think of another example of populations with such an IQ gap that are so familiar with each other without the higher IQ population regarding the lower IQ population as a bit dim.

    Not sure what Murray has to do with this. I'm not comparing Montenegrins to Northern and Western Europeans, I'm comparing them to other South Slavs. All of these groups have produced few internationally notable individuals, Croatia and Slovenia included. And at the local level, Serbia and Montenegro don't lag behind their supposedly smarter northern neighbors in producing stuff of value. All these groups are equally irrelevant to the wider world, and equally relevant locally. So I remain skeptical about this IQ gap.

    Being that Croats and serbs fought a genocidal war vs one another, and hate each other till this day, it’s hard to believe that of all the negative stereotypes they must of each other, none have to do with insulting the others intelligence. After all the bad blood, they probably project every negative attribute one each other indiscriminately. The point here is that it doesn’t seem valid to base your rejection of the evidence for low serbia and Montenegrin iq on the basis of what the popular prejudices in that region may or may not be.

    And, I only brought up Murray in order to point out that were the serbs and Montenegrin s smarter than the evidence suggests they are, the expectation would be that they would be more intellectually accomplished than they are. After all, it makes sense that not much of value has come out of black africa, considering mean it’s there. And the same is the case with the serbs.

    Anyway, there’s been much research on this done by Lynn and Rushton, and many others besides, so I really don’t get your reluctance to accept what the evidence, which is abundant, clearly suggests.

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    No, they don't indiscriminately project every negative attribute on each other. The various stereotypes in the region have a long history, they don't just completely change instantly depending on what the political situation is like at the moment. Rural primitivism is one of them, but stupidity or slowness just isn't. The big stereotype about Montenegrins is that they're lazy. If their average IQ was really so low, it seems obvious the others would taunt them over it. The Croats would especially have plenty of motivation to do so, as Montenegrins shelled Croatia's south in 1991. And yet they don't.

    Sure, popular prejudices don't prove anything, but they're enough for me to be skeptical of this. Are there other examples of the higher IQ group having no clue whatsoever that the other group is, on average, significantly dimmer?

    Bringing up Murray as proof that these estimates are correct doesn't make sense when Croats and Slovenes, with their supposedly much higher IQ, are just as irrelevant in Murray's findings.

    I don't reject the possibility of a difference in average IQ between these countries but, if there is one, I'd expect it to be a couple of points, similar to the one Lynn finds between Austria and the northwestern ex-Yugoslavian countries. My reluctance is surprise and skepticism not over there being an IQ gap, but over the size of this supposed gap, based on years of experience in the region.

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  • @Anonymous
    Of course a population with an average IQ of 86 will still produce intelligent people. But these are neighboring groups that speak the same language and spent a century as part of the same country, they know each other intimately. They have so many stereotypes of each other, yet none of them are about the other group being dim. I can't think of another example of populations with such an IQ gap that are so familiar with each other without the higher IQ population regarding the lower IQ population as a bit dim.

    Not sure what Murray has to do with this. I'm not comparing Montenegrins to Northern and Western Europeans, I'm comparing them to other South Slavs. All of these groups have produced few internationally notable individuals, Croatia and Slovenia included. And at the local level, Serbia and Montenegro don't lag behind their supposedly smarter northern neighbors in producing stuff of value. All these groups are equally irrelevant to the wider world, and equally relevant locally. So I remain skeptical about this IQ gap.

    Croatia has a much higher per capita GDP than Serbia or Montenegro, without a non-IQ explanation such as having superior natural resources. And this has been historically the case. Croatia’s literacy rate is 99.2%, Serbia’s is 98%. Croatia’s tertiary education rate in 2012 was 62%, Serbia’s 52%:

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.TER.ENRR

    There is nothing surprising about Serbs having significantly low mean IQ than Croats.

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    Then how do you explain Slovenia having a much higher per capita GDP than Croatia? There's no Lynn IQ explanation there. People in the region see all of it as a consequence of which empire which country was part of historically. Slovenia and, to a lesser degree, Croatia had the advantage of being part of Austria-Hungary.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Irving
    It isn't clear that having an IQ of 86-90 makes someone stupid, per se. In any case, a population with that average IQ will be able to produce enough intelligent people (with 120+ IQs), such that no one will say the entire population is made up of idiots. In any case, have a look at Charles Murray's book Human Accomplishment. If we're to take him seriously, these populations have contributed as little as any other supposedly backwards population groups outside of Europe. If he's right, only Northern/Western Europeans and Northeast Asians have contributed anything of value

    Of course a population with an average IQ of 86 will still produce intelligent people. But these are neighboring groups that speak the same language and spent a century as part of the same country, they know each other intimately. They have so many stereotypes of each other, yet none of them are about the other group being dim. I can’t think of another example of populations with such an IQ gap that are so familiar with each other without the higher IQ population regarding the lower IQ population as a bit dim.

    Not sure what Murray has to do with this. I’m not comparing Montenegrins to Northern and Western Europeans, I’m comparing them to other South Slavs. All of these groups have produced few internationally notable individuals, Croatia and Slovenia included. And at the local level, Serbia and Montenegro don’t lag behind their supposedly smarter northern neighbors in producing stuff of value. All these groups are equally irrelevant to the wider world, and equally relevant locally. So I remain skeptical about this IQ gap.

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    Croatia has a much higher per capita GDP than Serbia or Montenegro, without a non-IQ explanation such as having superior natural resources. And this has been historically the case. Croatia's literacy rate is 99.2%, Serbia's is 98%. Croatia's tertiary education rate in 2012 was 62%, Serbia's 52%:

    http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.TER.ENRR

    There is nothing surprising about Serbs having significantly low mean IQ than Croats.
    , @Irving
    Being that Croats and serbs fought a genocidal war vs one another, and hate each other till this day, it's hard to believe that of all the negative stereotypes they must of each other, none have to do with insulting the others intelligence. After all the bad blood, they probably project every negative attribute one each other indiscriminately. The point here is that it doesn't seem valid to base your rejection of the evidence for low serbia and Montenegrin iq on the basis of what the popular prejudices in that region may or may not be.

    And, I only brought up Murray in order to point out that were the serbs and Montenegrin s smarter than the evidence suggests they are, the expectation would be that they would be more intellectually accomplished than they are. After all, it makes sense that not much of value has come out of black africa, considering mean it's there. And the same is the case with the serbs.

    Anyway, there's been much research on this done by Lynn and Rushton, and many others besides, so I really don't get your reluctance to accept what the evidence, which is abundant, clearly suggests.
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  • @AP
    Better late than never:

    The nationalists might not enjoy huge electoral support, but they have a lot of armed, violent men in their ranks, and that is likely what by far the most important consideration in Ukraine nowadays. If they can overthrow one President, then they can overthrow a second one as well, if the circumstances are right.
     
    Armed violent men would not have overthrown the previous President if the majority if the people of Kiev (and a plurality of the country) did not want the President to be overthrown. Unless this happens with Poroshenko, he will be safe form armed nationalists.

    But if we consider a what-if in which there was no WW1 and the Russian Empire did not become the USSR, it would also have avoided the “multinational” experiments that created Ukraine and Belarus, and both those regions would have become firmly Russian
     
    I'm no expert on Belarus, but I suspect Ukraine would not have been so easy to digest you would have hoped. Russians falsely and optimistically assume Ukrainians and Russians are one people and that Polish rule was an aberration. Minimizing the Polish impact on Ukrainian society (Ukrainian nationalists do this too, to a very large extent they whitewash Ukraine's Polish roots) leads to a false view of Ukrainians and incorrect "what-if" scenarios. Reality is that Polish linguistic and cultural influence on the Ukrainian was no less than French-Norman influence on the Germanic/Celtic people of England whom the Normans conquered. Ukraine spend more time as part of Poland-Lithuania than as part of Russia. Its elite (including Orthodox, including those who fought against the Polish state) spoke Polish for generations, and there was considerable mixing between the two peoples in all strata of society - Polish peasant settlers marrying their neighbors, Polish gentry marrying Rus gentry and Cossack officers. Just as English, a Germanic language, has more words in common with French than with German, so Ukrainian, an East Slavic language has more words in common with Polish than with Russian.

    This is reflected in historical events. Somehow Ukrainians were more likely to betray Russia than were other "Russians." There was no Mazepa in any ethnic Russian region.

    Prior to Bolshevism, various Ukrainian parties easily won the Russian Constituent Assembly election in 1917. During the Revolution and Civil War, there was virtually no support for the Whites among ethnic Ukrainians in Ukraine (Whites were the choice for Russian patriots), and very spotty support for the Reds. Ethnic Ukrainians supported a chaotic bunch of nationalists (Petliura) or anarchists (Makhno). Soviet nationality policy in Ukraine was more of an attempt to secure loyalty by appealing to native sentiments and coopting local elites than about the creation of new sentiments.

    I couldn’t copy-edit or revise my comment above. I wanted to add that Ukraine is neither “Rus” as Ukrainian nationalists claim (nor is Russia simply Rus), nor Russia as Russian nationalists insist it is. The historical, linguistic, and demographic ingredients are all present, for the existence of a separate ethnos that developed sometime in the 16th century. This explains events in Ukraine more realistically than does the idea of a series of Polish, Austrian, German, and neocon/zionist plots.

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  • Better late than never:

    The nationalists might not enjoy huge electoral support, but they have a lot of armed, violent men in their ranks, and that is likely what by far the most important consideration in Ukraine nowadays. If they can overthrow one President, then they can overthrow a second one as well, if the circumstances are right.

    Armed violent men would not have overthrown the previous President if the majority if the people of Kiev (and a plurality of the country) did not want the President to be overthrown. Unless this happens with Poroshenko, he will be safe form armed nationalists.

    But if we consider a what-if in which there was no WW1 and the Russian Empire did not become the USSR, it would also have avoided the “multinational” experiments that created Ukraine and Belarus, and both those regions would have become firmly Russian

    I’m no expert on Belarus, but I suspect Ukraine would not have been so easy to digest you would have hoped. Russians falsely and optimistically assume Ukrainians and Russians are one people and that Polish rule was an aberration. Minimizing the Polish impact on Ukrainian society (Ukrainian nationalists do this too, to a very large extent they whitewash Ukraine’s Polish roots) leads to a false view of Ukrainians and incorrect “what-if” scenarios. Reality is that Polish linguistic and cultural influence on the Ukrainian was no less than French-Norman influence on the Germanic/Celtic people of England whom the Normans conquered. Ukraine spend more time as part of Poland-Lithuania than as part of Russia. Its elite (including Orthodox, including those who fought against the Polish state) spoke Polish for generations, and there was considerable mixing between the two peoples in all strata of society – Polish peasant settlers marrying their neighbors, Polish gentry marrying Rus gentry and Cossack officers. Just as English, a Germanic language, has more words in common with French than with German, so Ukrainian, an East Slavic language has more words in common with Polish than with Russian.

    This is reflected in historical events. Somehow Ukrainians were more likely to betray Russia than were other “Russians.” There was no Mazepa in any ethnic Russian region.

    Prior to Bolshevism, various Ukrainian parties easily won the Russian Constituent Assembly election in 1917. During the Revolution and Civil War, there was virtually no support for the Whites among ethnic Ukrainians in Ukraine (Whites were the choice for Russian patriots), and very spotty support for the Reds. Ethnic Ukrainians supported a chaotic bunch of nationalists (Petliura) or anarchists (Makhno). Soviet nationality policy in Ukraine was more of an attempt to secure loyalty by appealing to native sentiments and coopting local elites than about the creation of new sentiments.

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    I couldn't copy-edit or revise my comment above. I wanted to add that Ukraine is neither "Rus" as Ukrainian nationalists claim (nor is Russia simply Rus), nor Russia as Russian nationalists insist it is. The historical, linguistic, and demographic ingredients are all present, for the existence of a separate ethnos that developed sometime in the 16th century. This explains events in Ukraine more realistically than does the idea of a series of Polish, Austrian, German, and neocon/zionist plots.
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  • @FLOR solitaria
    "Emmanuel Todd’s work suggests that a transition to Communism was not an accident. Virtually all countries/regions with the exogamous communitarian family system (Eurasia, China, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Cuba) took “naturally” to Communism, at least in the beginning."

    Go figure.
    So no bloody revolutions imposed from the outside with foreign money and foreign soldiers, no traitors to their own countries, no domestic terror to establish the one party system and wipe out the opposition, no destruction of religion and of the intellectual elites (which "naturally" lowers the collective IQ of a country)..
    It was all natural and benign, eh ?

    What you failed to notice amidst your rant is that I made exactly zero moral judgments.

    Communist rule in all those countries (plus Hungary which I forgot to mention) arose organically without the need for any foreign intervention except Bulgaria (and even there attitudes towards Communism were always far warmer than in states like Poland or Romania).

    The genius of Emmanuel Todd was in recognizing the family structure (strongly exogamous communitarianism) that underlay these otherwise seemingly unconnected countris – Russia, Hungary, China, Cuba.

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  • @German_reader
    Unconditional basic income, I'd suppose.

    Thanks.

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  • @szopen
    Compare popularity of communist party in France and Poland, by the way (before communism was imposed on Poland by USSR).

    before communism was imposed on Poland by USSR

    Did that imposition endear the communist party to the Polish population?

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  • @FLOR solitaria
    "Emmanuel Todd’s work suggests that a transition to Communism was not an accident. Virtually all countries/regions with the exogamous communitarian family system (Eurasia, China, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Cuba) took “naturally” to Communism, at least in the beginning."

    Go figure.
    So no bloody revolutions imposed from the outside with foreign money and foreign soldiers, no traitors to their own countries, no domestic terror to establish the one party system and wipe out the opposition, no destruction of religion and of the intellectual elites (which "naturally" lowers the collective IQ of a country)..
    It was all natural and benign, eh ?

    Compare popularity of communist party in France and Poland, by the way (before communism was imposed on Poland by USSR).

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    before communism was imposed on Poland by USSR
     
    Did that imposition endear the communist party to the Polish population?
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  • @reiner Tor
    What is UBI?

    Unconditional basic income, I’d suppose.

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    Thanks.
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  • @Anonymous
    But wouldn't the people notice? There are no "stupid Serb" or "stupid Montenegrin" stereotypes in Croatia. A couple of points I could buy, but 10 points between Croatia and Montenegro I can't really square with real life experience.

    It isn’t clear that having an IQ of 86-90 makes someone stupid, per se. In any case, a population with that average IQ will be able to produce enough intelligent people (with 120+ IQs), such that no one will say the entire population is made up of idiots. In any case, have a look at Charles Murray’s book Human Accomplishment. If we’re to take him seriously, these populations have contributed as little as any other supposedly backwards population groups outside of Europe. If he’s right, only Northern/Western Europeans and Northeast Asians have contributed anything of value

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    Of course a population with an average IQ of 86 will still produce intelligent people. But these are neighboring groups that speak the same language and spent a century as part of the same country, they know each other intimately. They have so many stereotypes of each other, yet none of them are about the other group being dim. I can't think of another example of populations with such an IQ gap that are so familiar with each other without the higher IQ population regarding the lower IQ population as a bit dim.

    Not sure what Murray has to do with this. I'm not comparing Montenegrins to Northern and Western Europeans, I'm comparing them to other South Slavs. All of these groups have produced few internationally notable individuals, Croatia and Slovenia included. And at the local level, Serbia and Montenegro don't lag behind their supposedly smarter northern neighbors in producing stuff of value. All these groups are equally irrelevant to the wider world, and equally relevant locally. So I remain skeptical about this IQ gap.
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    Unconditional basic income, I'd suppose.
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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    According to average PISA score in 2009 (converted to IQ):

    Croatia = 96
    Serbia = 91
    Bulgaria = 90
    Montenegro = 86
    Albania = 83

    But wouldn’t the people notice? There are no “stupid Serb” or “stupid Montenegrin” stereotypes in Croatia. A couple of points I could buy, but 10 points between Croatia and Montenegro I can’t really square with real life experience.

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    It isn't clear that having an IQ of 86-90 makes someone stupid, per se. In any case, a population with that average IQ will be able to produce enough intelligent people (with 120+ IQs), such that no one will say the entire population is made up of idiots. In any case, have a look at Charles Murray's book Human Accomplishment. If we're to take him seriously, these populations have contributed as little as any other supposedly backwards population groups outside of Europe. If he's right, only Northern/Western Europeans and Northeast Asians have contributed anything of value
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  • BCD says: • Website

    France’s higher productivity makes perfect sense when you consider the difficulty of firing people in France. If you’re an employer, you had better make damn sure you are hiring productive workers. Corollary: high French unemployment.

    By contrast, employers who can fire at will only need to find people who are marginally productive.

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  • “Emmanuel Todd’s work suggests that a transition to Communism was not an accident. Virtually all countries/regions with the exogamous communitarian family system (Eurasia, China, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, Cuba) took “naturally” to Communism, at least in the beginning.”

    Go figure.
    So no bloody revolutions imposed from the outside with foreign money and foreign soldiers, no traitors to their own countries, no domestic terror to establish the one party system and wipe out the opposition, no destruction of religion and of the intellectual elites (which “naturally” lowers the collective IQ of a country)..
    It was all natural and benign, eh ?

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    Compare popularity of communist party in France and Poland, by the way (before communism was imposed on Poland by USSR).
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    What you failed to notice amidst your rant is that I made exactly zero moral judgments.

    Communist rule in all those countries (plus Hungary which I forgot to mention) arose organically without the need for any foreign intervention except Bulgaria (and even there attitudes towards Communism were always far warmer than in states like Poland or Romania).

    The genius of Emmanuel Todd was in recognizing the family structure (strongly exogamous communitarianism) that underlay these otherwise seemingly unconnected countris - Russia, Hungary, China, Cuba.
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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    According to average PISA score in 2009 (converted to IQ):

    Croatia = 96
    Serbia = 91
    Bulgaria = 90
    Montenegro = 86
    Albania = 83
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  • @Anatoly Karlin

    That’s not ALL that late for going to med school.
     
    In the US you need to satisfy prerequisites (tons of biochemistry, biology, etc. courses). Since OP said he has a non-technical background that will involve doing the equivalent of at least 2 years of undergrad work.

    https://career.berkeley.edu/Medical/PrepPrereq

    Since he presumably already has a degree, financial aid is probably out of the question unless he is exceptionally brilliant (but ~130 IQ isn't).

    Then we have Med School itself, which is extremely expensive ($200-300K total).

    Taking the med route is going to be an exceptionally difficult and costly grind for someone in his circumstances.

    Frankly for someone in his position trying to go in Law will be better since at least he is likely to have fulfilled all the Law School prereqs and lawyerly work is more suited for people with a "soft"
    academic background. Although problem is that not only is there a surfeit of lawyers in the US but the sector is getting rapidly automated.

    I am not advising him to abandon his day job (whatever that is) but to start playing the winner-takes-all career lottery. For someone with an IQ of 130, that is more rational than, say, playing the slot machines.

    Frankly, no one should go to law school in my opinion. But, if the person that asked you that question were a NAM, then he would be well-positioned to get into a top-6 law school — which is to say, in ascending order, NYU, Chicago, Columbia, Stanford, Harvard, and Yale — provided that he get a passable, not even all that great, LSAT score. Which, if he is really at the 125 – 135 IQ level, should be no problem. Even with all of the automation, there are and will probably continue to be plenty of opportunities for people graduating from any of those schools.

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  • @Anonymous
    I do not see any obvious reasons for why the figures for the South Slavs should be incorrect so I assume they are more or less accurate.

    How about the fact Lynn changes the numbers from book to book? In the Balkans, he used to have Croatia's IQ as 90, and then just added 8 points, and now, apparently, Croatia's IQ is supposed to be 98. No reason to believe he won't change the figures for Serbia and the other Balkan countries as well. Besides, there's no way there's an 8 point difference between Croatia and Serbia, that's ridiculous.

    Its also the case, too, that Lynn, even when he was still reporting a 90 IQ for Croatia, said that their IQ was higher than that but that he only 2 studies at hand at the time. When more data came in, he revised it in 2012.

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  • As for the automation, meh. Tolkien said that labor saving machines only create “endless and worse labor.” I don’t know about necessarily worse but the endless part is right on target. I noticed that in learning the history of scientific and industrial progress, and I also observed it first hand in a little way in the course of my career. At first, yes, the new gizmo saves labor and often leads to jobs elimination. Then some propellerhead discovers that you can do things with the new toy that you couldn’t do before. Before you know it, this formerly impossible thing become the absolute minimum requirement.

    So what would be those new, yet undreamed of applications for the new automation stuff that is coming down the pike? I have not a foggiest idea. I wish I was able to foresee that – that’s how billions are made. I am not that talented though.

    Also, I don’t understand why everyone assumes that you’d have to be super smart to work with those future gadgets. This is not how it happened in the past. Quite the opposite, in fact. As the result of the first Industrial Revolution, highly skills craftsmen who had to train for years were replaced with poor slobs hired off the street and forced to do this all day. If anything, there is a kind of equilibrium: the smarter the machine the dumber the user can be.

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  • Re: GMO babies. I think you, like all techno-optimists, greatly underestimate the yuck factor in all this. Now, this could be overcome with decades of targeted propaganda (as the example of gay marriage shows) but there are rational reasons to oppose using CRISPR or some other genetic technique to increase IQ.

    First, are we arrogant enough to know that it will work 100% and won’t create unforeseen problems in the future? What if increases IQ for 90% of the children and renders the other 10% idiots? Or what if makes everyone smart but 60% of such kids develop a mental illness at the age of 40? You need a literal lifetime to know if this thing is really safe. Perhaps even two or more lifetimes, to make sure there are no adverse impact on future generations. You want to experiment on your offspring? I don’t.

    But suppose genetic manipulation is 100% safe, works every time, and with no side effects down the line. There is another issue to consider here. You are going to get a crop of kids who are far smarter than their parents. Such situations are currently rare, and when it does happen the parents are given partial credit for “good upbringing.” Obviously, this won’t happen with genetically modified kids.

    So you got a child who has 30-50 IQ points on his parents. What do you think his childhood will be like? Starting from the teen years he will realize that his parents are unbearably dumb. What will this do to his relationship with them?

    Now look at this from the parents’ perspective. Do you have kids of your own? I am guessing not. This will make it a bit harder to explain… Of course, every parent wants their child to succeed in life. But that’s not most important. So what is the most important, the number one thing we expect from our kids? We want, we expect them – to be like us. That’s why we get so excited when baby has daddy’s eyes. That’s why we sing them the same songs we heard as children, read the same books we read ourselves back then. We are transferring our culture to them. No parent wants perfect little aliens for kids. Let them be imperfect but let them be our continuation… Reducing genetic load is one thing, but dramatically increasing IQ is going against human nature. Most people are unlikely to do it voluntarily, and if a mass of them is made to do it against their will (e.g. in China) this would lead to a great social breakdown.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What is your opinion of the idea that Putin advisor Vladislav Surkov is responsible for the demise of Novorussia? There is certainly evidence to support it:

    Surkov convinced Putin that Ukraine would completely disintegrate before the end of 2014 and that it was better to wait for the collapse than to allow the militia to capture Mariupol, opposed helping pro-Russian forces in both Donbass and pre-reunification Crimea, has personal ties to and business interests with Ukrainian oligarchs (including Poroshenko), and has a long history of hostility to and dirty tricks against Russian nationalists (including Dmitry Rogozin). Add to that the fact that Surkov started his career working for then-oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, has Chechen ancestry, and his infamous story advocating (under a pseudonym) for his country to lose to a US-like country so that it would be rebuilt like “Germany and France after . . . the second World War,” and you have someone extremely hostile to both Russia and Russian nationalism.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What is your opinion of the idea that Putin advisor Vladislav Surkov is responsible for the demise of Novorussia? There is certainly evidence to support it:

    Surkov convinced Putin that Ukraine would completely disintegrate before the end of 2014 and that it was better to wait for the collapse than to allow the militia to capture Mariupol, opposed helping pro-Russian forces in both Donbass and pre-reunification Crimea, has personal ties to and business interests with Ukrainian oligarchs (including Poroshenko), and has a long history of hostility to and dirty tricks against Russian nationalists (including Dmitry Rogozin). Add to that the fact that Surkov started his career working for then-oligarch Mikhail Khodorkovsky, has Chechen ancestry, and his infamous story advocating (under a pseudonym) for his country to lose to a US-like country so that it would be rebuilt like “Germany and France after . . . the second World War,” and you have someone extremely hostile to both Russia and Russian nationalism.

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  • @Anonymous
    I do not see any obvious reasons for why the figures for the South Slavs should be incorrect so I assume they are more or less accurate.

    How about the fact Lynn changes the numbers from book to book? In the Balkans, he used to have Croatia's IQ as 90, and then just added 8 points, and now, apparently, Croatia's IQ is supposed to be 98. No reason to believe he won't change the figures for Serbia and the other Balkan countries as well. Besides, there's no way there's an 8 point difference between Croatia and Serbia, that's ridiculous.

    According to average PISA score in 2009 (converted to IQ):

    Croatia = 96
    Serbia = 91
    Bulgaria = 90
    Montenegro = 86
    Albania = 83

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    • Replies: @Irving
    Apparently, Rushton put Serbian IQ to as low as 88:

    http://philipperushton.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Data-on-the-Ravens-Standard-Progressive-Matrices-from-Four-Serbian-Samples-2009-by-John-Philippe-Rushton-Jelena-%C4%8Cvorovi%C4%87.pdf
    , @Anonymous
    But wouldn't the people notice? There are no "stupid Serb" or "stupid Montenegrin" stereotypes in Croatia. A couple of points I could buy, but 10 points between Croatia and Montenegro I can't really square with real life experience.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I do not see any obvious reasons for why the figures for the South Slavs should be incorrect so I assume they are more or less accurate.

    How about the fact Lynn changes the numbers from book to book? In the Balkans, he used to have Croatia’s IQ as 90, and then just added 8 points, and now, apparently, Croatia’s IQ is supposed to be 98. No reason to believe he won’t change the figures for Serbia and the other Balkan countries as well. Besides, there’s no way there’s an 8 point difference between Croatia and Serbia, that’s ridiculous.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    According to average PISA score in 2009 (converted to IQ):

    Croatia = 96
    Serbia = 91
    Bulgaria = 90
    Montenegro = 86
    Albania = 83
    , @Irving
    Its also the case, too, that Lynn, even when he was still reporting a 90 IQ for Croatia, said that their IQ was higher than that but that he only 2 studies at hand at the time. When more data came in, he revised it in 2012.
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  • “Japan and South Korea will do okay but ultimately their potential is going to be constrained by their lower q factor (curiosity)”

    Care to elaborate? I have done some searching in the web and actually never saw this statement proven or even somehow researched. From what i know its just a theory by bloggers that explaining how come the west is outperforming the east while having slightly lower IQ . It may be because of several other reasons that are not the q factor. IMO comparing White Americans and East Asians Americans in terms of curiosity(Asians should be adjusted a bit lower because they are selectively migrate to the US unlike the natives East Asians) may put this theory on test.

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  • @Glossy
    "what would you suggest is a good long-term career path for someone who is in their early to mid 20s, in the 125-135 IQ range but with no technical skills? "

    That's not ALL that late for going to med school. One should avoid winner-take-all careers. As a consumer I'm glad there are talented writers, musicians and tech entrepreneurs out there, but from the perspective of a young person trying to choose a career winner-take-all is bad. Almost every smart, hardworking person who starts medical school ends up with a stable high-paying job. The MD career track is the opposite of winner-take-all.

    That’s not ALL that late for going to med school.

    In the US you need to satisfy prerequisites (tons of biochemistry, biology, etc. courses). Since OP said he has a non-technical background that will involve doing the equivalent of at least 2 years of undergrad work.

    https://career.berkeley.edu/Medical/PrepPrereq

    Since he presumably already has a degree, financial aid is probably out of the question unless he is exceptionally brilliant (but ~130 IQ isn’t).

    Then we have Med School itself, which is extremely expensive ($200-300K total).

    Taking the med route is going to be an exceptionally difficult and costly grind for someone in his circumstances.

    Frankly for someone in his position trying to go in Law will be better since at least he is likely to have fulfilled all the Law School prereqs and lawyerly work is more suited for people with a “soft”
    academic background. Although problem is that not only is there a surfeit of lawyers in the US but the sector is getting rapidly automated.

    I am not advising him to abandon his day job (whatever that is) but to start playing the winner-takes-all career lottery. For someone with an IQ of 130, that is more rational than, say, playing the slot machines.

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    Frankly, no one should go to law school in my opinion. But, if the person that asked you that question were a NAM, then he would be well-positioned to get into a top-6 law school -- which is to say, in ascending order, NYU, Chicago, Columbia, Stanford, Harvard, and Yale -- provided that he get a passable, not even all that great, LSAT score. Which, if he is really at the 125 - 135 IQ level, should be no problem. Even with all of the automation, there are and will probably continue to be plenty of opportunities for people graduating from any of those schools.
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  • As the 18th and 19th centuries progressed, the word Ukraina became associated with the (approximately) modern area of the Ukraine more and more, but it’s my impression that this word overtook Malorossiya (Litte Russia) in popularity only after the Communist takeover. And because of it.

    Parties with “Ukrainian” in their name easily won elections in Russian-owned Ukraine in 1917, prior to Bolshevik rule. As for usage (published maps, references in books, etc.), since officially this was Little Russia you are probably correct.

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  • @szopen
    I really respect you, Anatolij, however I cannot agree that Ukraine was project of Poles and communist. Ukrainian nationalism existed before WWI and usually was directed AT the Poles. "Ukraine for Ukrainians" was slogan created before 1900, while first political Ukrainian party in Russian empire was something like 1900. The name "Ukraine" was used in Polish in XVI century. In 1903 Bruckner was already complaining that "Ukrainian" was incorrect term and Poles should be using "Rusin" or "Małorusin", meaning the term "Ukrainian" was widely used in his times.

    “The name “Ukraine” was used in Polish in XVI century.

    What’s now the middle of the European portion of Russia was sometimes called Zalesskaya Ukraina (the borderland beyond the forests) in the Middle Ages. Several other parts of Russia, including some in what’s now the Ukraine were sometimes called ukrainas (borderlands) in pre-modern times. If I had $100,000 for every time I’ve said that I grew up on the outskirts of Moscow (na okraine Moskvy), I’d probably be able to retire early and live off interest.

    As the 18th and 19th centuries progressed, the word Ukraina became associated with the (approximately) modern area of the Ukraine more and more, but it’s my impression that this word overtook Malorossiya (Litte Russia) in popularity only after the Communist takeover. And because of it.

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  • @Glossy
    "Moreover, contrary to eurofag propaganda, US healthcare and higher education is better than in almost all other European countries"

    The top 1% of US universities are the best in the world. The other 99% are pretty bad. Because of this the average European and the average Russian know more non-work-related, general-education-type stuff, both in soft and hard subjects, than the average White or Asian American.

    If you look at PISA scores by race, white American kids outperform almost every European country, US Latinos every Latin American country, and Asians almost every Asian country.

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  • @Anatoly Karlin

    Actually, the quantity of food bought by a working man’s income in England peaked in 1470-1530, never reached that level again till the mid-19th century, and the 17th century was on average the worst of all the last six.
     
    That is correct but the main point of comparison should be with contemporaneous European rivals, especially the highly populated scientific/cultural powerhouses like France, Spain, Prussia, A-H, and the German and Italian states.

    Not were the English quite as tall or long-lived as the inhabitants of Denmark, Norway, Sweden or Schleswig-Holstein.
     
    I downloaded Joerg Baten's historical male height data for some major European countries and GB which starts at 1710. Here it is.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/650237805063335937

    During the 18th century, GB is generally in the lead, with only Sweden and Netherlands consistently matching it.

    The Scandinavians match or exceed GB, sure, but they (1) have low populations and (2) it took longer for them to achieve high literacy levels.

    I’ve seen different figures – bear in mind that England had less of an approach to conscription than any other of these countries, so data will be lacking in quality. As for literacy, in the late eighteenth century England was behind both north-east France and lowland Scotland.

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  • @Mitleser
    So, Ukraine was a Polish project after all.

    Well, if hanging out with occasional Poles or being 1/4 Polish or whatever contaminates a project to the extent that it turns it into a “Polish” one, sure. However given the fact that Ukrainians themselves are heavily mixed with Poles, and spent centuries within Poland (Polish linguistic and cultural influence on Ukraine is quite comparable to Norman-French influence on England) it is odd to separate the two. A Russian claiming that Ukrainian is a fake nationality or Polish project and seeking to Russify the population and purge it of Polish influence is about as ridiculous as some sort of pan-German nationalist viewing English as a fake culture and seeking to “re-Germanize” the English people by removing Norman-French influence from their culture, language etc.

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  • @Seamus Padraig

    Which raises the really big puzzle of just WHY and HOW American GDP per capita is so much higher than that of the EU countries, and France/Germany in particular.
     
    GDP figures can sometimes be misleading, since the FIRE sector can have a very distorting impact on them. When analyzing countries like the US and UK, where finance and real-estate constitute such a large percentage of the economy, this should be borne in mind.

    In comments to past posts I’ve made a list of industries that make more contributions to the GDP in America than in other rich countries, while failing to generate more customer and citizen satisfaction. Higher ed, healthcare, retirement, transportation, etc. I just remembered another one – the legal profession. America is more litigious than other rich countries. All those legal fees contribute to the GDP.

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  • “Moreover, contrary to eurofag propaganda, US healthcare and higher education is better than in almost all other European countries”

    The top 1% of US universities are the best in the world. The other 99% are pretty bad. Because of this the average European and the average Russian know more non-work-related, general-education-type stuff, both in soft and hard subjects, than the average White or Asian American.

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    If you look at PISA scores by race, white American kids outperform almost every European country, US Latinos every Latin American country, and Asians almost every Asian country.
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  • To comment on the question “What developed country has the most eugenic fertility? What about the least? My observation is that Britain has the most dysgenic but I haven’t seen the data? Where does America fit in there? ”

    As I have played a bit with the Wittgenstein database, I calculated the dysgenic trend for every country by using several assumptions (perfect correlation between IQ and the level of education, standard deviation for the IQ of 15 in all countries, all children will attain the same level of education as their parents). Since the first assumption is especially not really true for developing countries (still a lot of undiscovered talens roam around the woods or work as farmers), the dysgenics especially for the poor countries might be overstated.

    Anyway, here’s the map for the projected generational loss in average IQ:

    The strongest dysgenic trend among developed countries is in Israel (probably to high Arab fertility), followed by the US, HK/Macao and the Baltics. Poland isn’t developed yet, but also has a comparably strong dysgenic trend.

    The least dysgenic fertility is in Belgium (where it’s actually eugenic from the data), Scandinavia and Canada. Japan and Taiwan also have rather weak dysgenics. Scandinavia and Belgium though have lots of low-IQ immigration.

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  • “In terms of policy debates, there have been arguments by statist economists like Sergey Glazyev to use Russia’s accumulated oil funds to provide subsidized loans to strategic manufacturing sectors “

    Smart guy. What you said about the lack of popularity of this idea is really sad. Ever since the Industrial Revolution all truly successful, well-run, patriotic regimes were manufacturing regimes. China is the biggest success story of our lifetimes. One has to imitate winners, not losers.

    The Donald is 95% clown and 5% US patriot while Jeb and Hillary are 100% establishment lackeys and 0% US patriots. And surprise, surprise, the Donald is the one who’s been making protectionist, re-industrializing noises. It’s automatic – if one wishes one’s country well, one would want it to (re)industrialize more.

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  • “The Serbian IQ is that it isn’t much higher than that of black Americans, just 4 or 5 points higher, and yet they seem so much more civilized. “

    As Anatoly said, there’s a lot more to civilization than IQ. There are many double-digit-IQ but hardworking groups – Mexican and Peruvian Indians and Mestizos, low-caste East Indians, SE Asians. The capacity for hard work must be related to impulse control, which is itself related to criminality. It’s my impression that in Mexico people of Spanish descent are both smarter and less hard-working than people of Amerindian descent.

    Low IQ + low impulse control a double whammy civilization-wise.

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  • @AP
    It's more complex than that. Ukrainian national identity was born in the Russian Empire; it was the project of Cossack officer families and petty gentry. These people were intermarrying with Poles from this region (Gogol, typical example, had a Polish grandparent) and had very friendly relationships with them; both they and the Polish gentry in these areas viewed Russians as the mutual enemy, and because Poland did not claim these lands for itself (unlike as the case in Galicia) the two groups had no issues with each other. Most of the Poles here went local and Ukrainianized. So for example, Hrushevsky's teacher, Antonovich, was a Ukrainianized Pole:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Antonovych

    Some Russians will twist this reality to claim that Ukrainian identity was an evil Polish plot.

    Exiled Ukrainian activists from the Russian Empire helped to transform Galicians (who were undergoing an internal struggle, deciding whether they were Rusyns or Ukrainians or Russians) into Ukrainians. When they arrived, they were often shocked by the hostility between Poles and Ukrainians in Galicia.

    So, Ukraine was a Polish project after all.

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    Well, if hanging out with occasional Poles or being 1/4 Polish or whatever contaminates a project to the extent that it turns it into a "Polish" one, sure. However given the fact that Ukrainians themselves are heavily mixed with Poles, and spent centuries within Poland (Polish linguistic and cultural influence on Ukraine is quite comparable to Norman-French influence on England) it is odd to separate the two. A Russian claiming that Ukrainian is a fake nationality or Polish project and seeking to Russify the population and purge it of Polish influence is about as ridiculous as some sort of pan-German nationalist viewing English as a fake culture and seeking to "re-Germanize" the English people by removing Norman-French influence from their culture, language etc.
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  • “what would you suggest is a good long-term career path for someone who is in their early to mid 20s, in the 125-135 IQ range but with no technical skills? “

    That’s not ALL that late for going to med school. One should avoid winner-take-all careers. As a consumer I’m glad there are talented writers, musicians and tech entrepreneurs out there, but from the perspective of a young person trying to choose a career winner-take-all is bad. Almost every smart, hardworking person who starts medical school ends up with a stable high-paying job. The MD career track is the opposite of winner-take-all.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    That’s not ALL that late for going to med school.
     
    In the US you need to satisfy prerequisites (tons of biochemistry, biology, etc. courses). Since OP said he has a non-technical background that will involve doing the equivalent of at least 2 years of undergrad work.

    https://career.berkeley.edu/Medical/PrepPrereq

    Since he presumably already has a degree, financial aid is probably out of the question unless he is exceptionally brilliant (but ~130 IQ isn't).

    Then we have Med School itself, which is extremely expensive ($200-300K total).

    Taking the med route is going to be an exceptionally difficult and costly grind for someone in his circumstances.

    Frankly for someone in his position trying to go in Law will be better since at least he is likely to have fulfilled all the Law School prereqs and lawyerly work is more suited for people with a "soft"
    academic background. Although problem is that not only is there a surfeit of lawyers in the US but the sector is getting rapidly automated.

    I am not advising him to abandon his day job (whatever that is) but to start playing the winner-takes-all career lottery. For someone with an IQ of 130, that is more rational than, say, playing the slot machines.
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  • Which raises the really big puzzle of just WHY and HOW American GDP per capita is so much higher than that of the EU countries, and France/Germany in particular.

    GDP figures can sometimes be misleading, since the FIRE sector can have a very distorting impact on them. When analyzing countries like the US and UK, where finance and real-estate constitute such a large percentage of the economy, this should be borne in mind.

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    • Replies: @Glossy
    In comments to past posts I've made a list of industries that make more contributions to the GDP in America than in other rich countries, while failing to generate more customer and citizen satisfaction. Higher ed, healthcare, retirement, transportation, etc. I just remembered another one - the legal profession. America is more litigious than other rich countries. All those legal fees contribute to the GDP.
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  • The IQ in the Balkans will rise as the region modernizes and the people there are forced to think in more modern, abstract terms.

    It’s not anymore complicated than that. The only problem is that you need capital and time to modernize, and capital doesn’t like to flow to places with low IQ, for obvious reasons.

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  • @szopen
    I really respect you, Anatolij, however I cannot agree that Ukraine was project of Poles and communist. Ukrainian nationalism existed before WWI and usually was directed AT the Poles. "Ukraine for Ukrainians" was slogan created before 1900, while first political Ukrainian party in Russian empire was something like 1900. The name "Ukraine" was used in Polish in XVI century. In 1903 Bruckner was already complaining that "Ukrainian" was incorrect term and Poles should be using "Rusin" or "Małorusin", meaning the term "Ukrainian" was widely used in his times.

    It’s more complex than that. Ukrainian national identity was born in the Russian Empire; it was the project of Cossack officer families and petty gentry. These people were intermarrying with Poles from this region (Gogol, typical example, had a Polish grandparent) and had very friendly relationships with them; both they and the Polish gentry in these areas viewed Russians as the mutual enemy, and because Poland did not claim these lands for itself (unlike as the case in Galicia) the two groups had no issues with each other. Most of the Poles here went local and Ukrainianized. So for example, Hrushevsky’s teacher, Antonovich, was a Ukrainianized Pole:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Antonovych

    Some Russians will twist this reality to claim that Ukrainian identity was an evil Polish plot.

    Exiled Ukrainian activists from the Russian Empire helped to transform Galicians (who were undergoing an internal struggle, deciding whether they were Rusyns or Ukrainians or Russians) into Ukrainians. When they arrived, they were often shocked by the hostility between Poles and Ukrainians in Galicia.

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    So, Ukraine was a Polish project after all.
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  • In occupied Balkans (by Turks) people who could THINK got murdered, systematically. Also population was drained by “blood taxes”. Please, get informed

    You’re absolutely safe in Belgrade, women roam streets at a.m.night hours freely and safely

    It is advisable to know what you’re talking about especially if you’re talking about IQs, don’t you think?

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  • @5371
    [the English were unusually well fed by continental European standards from the 17th century onwards – they were a few cm’s taller, for instance]

    Actually, the quantity of food bought by a working man's income in England peaked in 1470-1530, never reached that level again till the mid-19th century, and the 17th century was on average the worst of all the last six. Not were the English quite as tall or long-lived as the inhabitants of Denmark, Norway, Sweden or Schleswig-Holstein.

    Actually, the quantity of food bought by a working man’s income in England peaked in 1470-1530, never reached that level again till the mid-19th century, and the 17th century was on average the worst of all the last six.

    That is correct but the main point of comparison should be with contemporaneous European rivals, especially the highly populated scientific/cultural powerhouses like France, Spain, Prussia, A-H, and the German and Italian states.

    Not were the English quite as tall or long-lived as the inhabitants of Denmark, Norway, Sweden or Schleswig-Holstein.

    I downloaded Joerg Baten’s historical male height data for some major European countries and GB which starts at 1710. Here it is.

    During the 18th century, GB is generally in the lead, with only Sweden and Netherlands consistently matching it.

    The Scandinavians match or exceed GB, sure, but they (1) have low populations and (2) it took longer for them to achieve high literacy levels.

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    I've seen different figures - bear in mind that England had less of an approach to conscription than any other of these countries, so data will be lacking in quality. As for literacy, in the late eighteenth century England was behind both north-east France and lowland Scotland.
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  • I really respect you, Anatolij, however I cannot agree that Ukraine was project of Poles and communist. Ukrainian nationalism existed before WWI and usually was directed AT the Poles. “Ukraine for Ukrainians” was slogan created before 1900, while first political Ukrainian party in Russian empire was something like 1900. The name “Ukraine” was used in Polish in XVI century. In 1903 Bruckner was already complaining that “Ukrainian” was incorrect term and Poles should be using “Rusin” or “Małorusin”, meaning the term “Ukrainian” was widely used in his times.

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    • Replies: @AP
    It's more complex than that. Ukrainian national identity was born in the Russian Empire; it was the project of Cossack officer families and petty gentry. These people were intermarrying with Poles from this region (Gogol, typical example, had a Polish grandparent) and had very friendly relationships with them; both they and the Polish gentry in these areas viewed Russians as the mutual enemy, and because Poland did not claim these lands for itself (unlike as the case in Galicia) the two groups had no issues with each other. Most of the Poles here went local and Ukrainianized. So for example, Hrushevsky's teacher, Antonovich, was a Ukrainianized Pole:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Antonovych

    Some Russians will twist this reality to claim that Ukrainian identity was an evil Polish plot.

    Exiled Ukrainian activists from the Russian Empire helped to transform Galicians (who were undergoing an internal struggle, deciding whether they were Rusyns or Ukrainians or Russians) into Ukrainians. When they arrived, they were often shocked by the hostility between Poles and Ukrainians in Galicia.
    , @Glossy
    "The name “Ukraine” was used in Polish in XVI century.

    What's now the middle of the European portion of Russia was sometimes called Zalesskaya Ukraina (the borderland beyond the forests) in the Middle Ages. Several other parts of Russia, including some in what's now the Ukraine were sometimes called ukrainas (borderlands) in pre-modern times. If I had $100,000 for every time I've said that I grew up on the outskirts of Moscow (na okraine Moskvy), I'd probably be able to retire early and live off interest.

    As the 18th and 19th centuries progressed, the word Ukraina became associated with the (approximately) modern area of the Ukraine more and more, but it's my impression that this word overtook Malorossiya (Litte Russia) in popularity only after the Communist takeover. And because of it.
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  • [the English were unusually well fed by continental European standards from the 17th century onwards – they were a few cm’s taller, for instance]

    Actually, the quantity of food bought by a working man’s income in England peaked in 1470-1530, never reached that level again till the mid-19th century, and the 17th century was on average the worst of all the last six. Not were the English quite as tall or long-lived as the inhabitants of Denmark, Norway, Sweden or Schleswig-Holstein.

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    Actually, the quantity of food bought by a working man’s income in England peaked in 1470-1530, never reached that level again till the mid-19th century, and the 17th century was on average the worst of all the last six.
     
    That is correct but the main point of comparison should be with contemporaneous European rivals, especially the highly populated scientific/cultural powerhouses like France, Spain, Prussia, A-H, and the German and Italian states.

    Not were the English quite as tall or long-lived as the inhabitants of Denmark, Norway, Sweden or Schleswig-Holstein.
     
    I downloaded Joerg Baten's historical male height data for some major European countries and GB which starts at 1710. Here it is.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/650237805063335937

    During the 18th century, GB is generally in the lead, with only Sweden and Netherlands consistently matching it.

    The Scandinavians match or exceed GB, sure, but they (1) have low populations and (2) it took longer for them to achieve high literacy levels.
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  • He writes: China isn't anywhere near as backward as he portrays it. (1) The urban-rural ratio was essentially 50/50 according to the 2010 Census. Furthermore, rural Chinese don't really suffer from the absolute destitution common to peasants in Third World countries. They own their own land and it is almost impossible for them to lose...
  • Undoubtedly the reason Europeans developed technologically vs. the Chinese is due to the ways of thought that are biologically innate. Asians are good at copying and doing rote work, but not innovation.

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  • As human capital is so important for prosperity, it behoves us to know China's in detail to assess whether it will continue converging on developed countries. Until recently the best data we had were disparate IQ tests (on the basis of which Richard Lynn's latest estimate is an IQ of 105.8 in his 2012 book...
  • […] How to catch a superluminal particle. Chinese IQ. When chemistry was outlawed (by the 1404 ‘Act Against Multiplication’ — they […]

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    Analysis Of China’s PISA 2009 Results

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    @Anonymous
    Your analyzed data is probably far from the actual figure of China. In 2005, China randomly selected around 1200 children from age 8-10 from each province and tested the children's average IQ as part of an iodine deficiency study. According to the results:

    Beijing——114.1±14.6
    Tianjin——105.3±14.7
    Hebei——105.4±14.4
    Shanxi——108.0±14.0
    Inner Mongolia——105.1±13.8
    Liaoning——107.5±14.3
    Jilin——107.0±14.6
    Heilongjiang——101.4±16.6
    Shanghai——115.3±14.1
    Jiangsu——109.0±14.3
    Zhejiang——115.8±13.0
    Anhui——98.2±17.7
    Fujian——107.1±15.0
    Jiangxi——98.9±18.3
    Shandong——107.9±16.0
    Henan——95.4±16.3
    Hubei——105.3±14.3
    Hunan——103.8±16.8
    Guangdong——101.1±15.3
    Guangxi——98.3±15.7
    Hainan——90.7±15.9 (iodine deficient)
    Chongqing——106.3±14.4
    Sichuan——105.4±16.4
    Guizhou——92.8±15.9
    Yunnan——96.8±17.7
    Tibet——77.3±16.8 (iodine deficient)
    Shaanxi——104.7±15.6
    Gansu——96.9±15.6
    Qinghai——92.8±16.8
    Ningxia——93.4±17.1
    Xinjiang——98.2±16.5
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    Total——103.4±17.7

    In my opinion, the result has more to do with the level of economic development rather than demographics.

    Based on your provincial IQ scores, I’ve made a prediction of China’s full country PISA score.
    (With a fair number of assumptions : The IQ numbers are relatively accurate, IQ scores correlate with PISA scores, educational quality is similar throughout China, and IQ scores are gaussian)

    It’s not too different from the US except for math.

    Test Avg Level1 Level2 Level3 Level4 Level5 Level6 Level7
    Science 514 3.39 10.92 22.53 29.52 23.91 8.87 0.97

    Test Avg Level1a Level1 Level2 Level3 Level4 Level5 Level6 Level7
    Reading 503 1.59 2.50 10.93 23.71 29.43 23.14 7.94 0.86

    Test Avg Level1 Level2 Level3 Level4 Level5 Level6 Level7
    Math 531 7.05 10.71 16.54 18.89 19.48 15.75 11.68

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  • He writes: China isn't anywhere near as backward as he portrays it. (1) The urban-rural ratio was essentially 50/50 according to the 2010 Census. Furthermore, rural Chinese don't really suffer from the absolute destitution common to peasants in Third World countries. They own their own land and it is almost impossible for them to lose...
  • “Why was it Europe, and not China, that first underwent the Industrial Revolution? And the (initially unrelated) Scientific Revolution, for that matter?

    When you’re talking about industrialization, you’re actually referring to both political and technological revolution (and of course political structures may determine investment in technology). But I think since you’re referring to intelligence, you’re focused more on the matter of technological innovation than politics.
    In fact, China had all the home-grown technologies–spinning wheel, cotton gin, mechanical clock (which reflected a lot of innovations like the escapement and chain drive), cast iron, etc. As well as more basic but no less revolutionary ones like the paper, printing, gunpowder, and the compass. For more on China’s history of invention, check out Needham’s Science and Civilization in China. Interestingly, the Chinese had interchangeable parts way back in 200 BC, according to a recent PBS show which found that crossbow triggers were made by the thousands, with tolerances less than a millimeter.
    But China’s massive population made widespread automation not just unnecessary, but a source of social instability–it would have put tens of millions out of work. And the Chinese, with their work ethic (Mark Twain said There’s no such thing as a lazy Chinaman) would’ve made most machines look downright silly, halting progress on automation and machinery before it got started.
    This isn’t just idle theorizing on my part: the CEO of BYD, 15 years ago, tried to secure Japanese machinery to make cell phone batteries, but the Japanese refused to sell. So, this CEO simply enlisted workers to make the parts painstakingly by hand and assemble the batteries. And they achieved a level of quality approaching that of the Japanese battery makers, who were using industrial robotics. Now, industrialization isn’t just about machinery (of course, it’s a political and social program) but it is rooted in automation and mass production. And if you can mass produce without machines, without complex organizations like corporations, there is little incentive to industrialize and take on all the other aspects that go along with it.
    The other piece is that China wasn’t in the mood for any kind of revolutionary change, circa 1500 when Europe really got going. Their last “chance” was the Sung when they invented the mechanical clock (which was actually a tool to study the heavens) and rudimentary guns and rockets, but then they got conquered by the Mongols, ushering a period of stagnation and then conservatism.

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  • In the discussion at the previous post, in which I took exception to Ron Unz's theory of the East Asian Exception, he alerted me to so additional work on the matter he'd done as a Harvard freshman on Chinese IQ. You can read his summary of Social Darwinism and Rural China as well as Steve...
  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AG
    Great debate! You raise very important question. The east asian countries that use hanzi汉字, chopsticks, and practice confucianism, zen buddism are China (Han), Japan, Korea, Vietnam. At the same time, these countres also have higher national IQ exept vietnam. Other eas asians including Tibetan do not have impressive national IQ. Like rec1man mentioned, 5% of the Indian population is of Oriental race and they dont have a high IQ..

    Does Han Chinese cultues over thousands years influence on Korea, Japan make the difference in national IQ? Or high IQ people tend to embrace Han culture? This is chicken-egg issue. Fenjia might be part of han culture influence. But I do not know for sure.

    东亚高智商国家都是在中华文化圈中。

    .’ Like rec1man mentioned, 5% of the Indian population is of Oriental race and they dont have a high IQ..’

    Rec1man is no authority. His arguments are full of holes and best to be ignored. He claims an IQ ~ 120 for Indian Brahmins which is laughable at best and around 35-45 points inflated. The oriental Indians (NE Indians ) have the highest literacy ~100% and better standards of living despite the hilly (and agriculturally unproductive) environment they live in. I do think they have IQ in range of Maynmar/SE Asians ~90 which is ten points above rest of India.

    Disclaimer: I am not a North East Indian.

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  • @Anonymous
    I think Korean/Japanese/Han Chinese had some IQ increasing mutation after they came to Manchuria. If we look at Y-haplogroup history and distribution, that must have happened around 7-8 thousand years ago. That would explain the current IQ distribution in the region completely (Japanese have slightly lower IQ since they have 1/3 Ainu admixture). I also don't think south Chinese have this mutation (may be as Han admixture but not originally).

    Hans are not the original aborigines of south china. I suspect the aborigines were australoids similar to philipinos or khmers and south china was quite sparsely populated those days. As the chinese empire expanded or when it was under threats of futher north nomads, hans migrated south. Most of the australoid aborigines moved to places such as present day cambodia, some stay behind and became minority tribes and are mostly assimulated. Even N vietnamese are 70% han by ancestry. One good example is 6th century chinese poems written by northern poets rhyme better in the guangzhou(a southern) dialect

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Jim
    @Glossy

    "I don’t own a copy of “IQ and Global Inequality.” If you own one, can you quote the place that cites Mongolian IQ at 101?"
    See:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shokioto22/sandbox

    “I have Lynn’s “Race Differences in Intelligence” here, published in 2006. On p. 240 he says:
    There is a further anomaly in the intelligence of the peoples of Northeast Asia concerning the IQs of the Mongols of Mongolia and the closely related Samoyeds of Northern Siberia. There are no studies of the intelligence of these peoples but their low level of cultural development and technology suggests that it is not so high as that of the East Asians of China, Japan and Korea.”

    It seems a bit strange that the Mongols can be compared to the reindeer-herding Samoyeds of the Arctic. I'm not saying they are stupid (in fact the Samoyeds may be quite intelligent) but the Mongols should clearly be on another level. First the Samoyeds are only 45,000 and have been reindeer-herding in the far-northern Arctic for the past 5000 years. Mongols are 10 million and starting from the Donghu 3500 years ago have been constantly engaged in complex herding of sheep, goats, horses, cattle, camels and yaks (around 50 million animals at any time). The Monguor are a Mongol-speaking people numbering 250,000 who practice only agriculture and follow Confucianism mixed with Daoism and Buddhism. The Mongol lands have always (for the past 3500 years) been connected to China by an intimate umbilical cord of direct political, economic and social relations which places Mongols firmly within East Asia. They have a history of statehood stretching back 3000 years. In many respects they outdo the Tibetans if you look at the larger picture.

    The Samoyeds have been living in one stagnant social system (reindeer-herding) for the past 5000 years. The Chinese have been living in one closed social system (strictly sedentary agricultural) for the past 6000 years. The Mongols on the other have been living in a much more diverse and challenging social system incorporating steppe nomadic empires, Chinese settled agriculture, South Siberian hunting lifestyle, Tibetan religious complexity and Manchurian pastoral-agricultural hybrid lifestyle. And to this one must add the recent intensive Russian cultural influence.

    So Mongols should be studied within the sphere of East Asian IQ studies. One should remember that the Koreans and Japanese also came from Mongolia and the Lake Baikal region.

    I think Korean/Japanese/Han Chinese had some IQ increasing mutation after they came to Manchuria. If we look at Y-haplogroup history and distribution, that must have happened around 7-8 thousand years ago. That would explain the current IQ distribution in the region completely (Japanese have slightly lower IQ since they have 1/3 Ainu admixture). I also don’t think south Chinese have this mutation (may be as Han admixture but not originally).

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    Hans are not the original aborigines of south china. I suspect the aborigines were australoids similar to philipinos or khmers and south china was quite sparsely populated those days. As the chinese empire expanded or when it was under threats of futher north nomads, hans migrated south. Most of the australoid aborigines moved to places such as present day cambodia, some stay behind and became minority tribes and are mostly assimulated. Even N vietnamese are 70% han by ancestry. One good example is 6th century chinese poems written by northern poets rhyme better in the guangzhou(a southern) dialect
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  • As human capital is so important for prosperity, it behoves us to know China's in detail to assess whether it will continue converging on developed countries. Until recently the best data we had were disparate IQ tests (on the basis of which Richard Lynn's latest estimate is an IQ of 105.8 in his 2012 book...
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Your analyzed data is probably far from the actual figure of China. In 2005, China randomly selected around 1200 children from age 8-10 from each province and tested the children’s average IQ as part of an iodine deficiency study. According to the results:

    Beijing——114.1±14.6
    Tianjin——105.3±14.7
    Hebei——105.4±14.4
    Shanxi——108.0±14.0
    Inner Mongolia——105.1±13.8
    Liaoning——107.5±14.3
    Jilin——107.0±14.6
    Heilongjiang——101.4±16.6
    Shanghai——115.3±14.1
    Jiangsu——109.0±14.3
    Zhejiang——115.8±13.0
    Anhui——98.2±17.7
    Fujian——107.1±15.0
    Jiangxi——98.9±18.3
    Shandong——107.9±16.0
    Henan——95.4±16.3
    Hubei——105.3±14.3
    Hunan——103.8±16.8
    Guangdong——101.1±15.3
    Guangxi——98.3±15.7
    Hainan——90.7±15.9 (iodine deficient)
    Chongqing——106.3±14.4
    Sichuan——105.4±16.4
    Guizhou——92.8±15.9
    Yunnan——96.8±17.7
    Tibet——77.3±16.8 (iodine deficient)
    Shaanxi——104.7±15.6
    Gansu——96.9±15.6
    Qinghai——92.8±16.8
    Ningxia——93.4±17.1
    Xinjiang——98.2±16.5
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    Total——103.4±17.7

    In my opinion, the result has more to do with the level of economic development rather than demographics.

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    Based on your provincial IQ scores, I've made a prediction of China's full country PISA score.
    (With a fair number of assumptions : The IQ numbers are relatively accurate, IQ scores correlate with PISA scores, educational quality is similar throughout China, and IQ scores are gaussian)

    It's not too different from the US except for math.

    Test Avg Level1 Level2 Level3 Level4 Level5 Level6 Level7
    Science 514 3.39 10.92 22.53 29.52 23.91 8.87 0.97

    Test Avg Level1a Level1 Level2 Level3 Level4 Level5 Level6 Level7
    Reading 503 1.59 2.50 10.93 23.71 29.43 23.14 7.94 0.86

    Test Avg Level1 Level2 Level3 Level4 Level5 Level6 Level7
    Math 531 7.05 10.71 16.54 18.89 19.48 15.75 11.68

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  • He writes: China isn't anywhere near as backward as he portrays it. (1) The urban-rural ratio was essentially 50/50 according to the 2010 Census. Furthermore, rural Chinese don't really suffer from the absolute destitution common to peasants in Third World countries. They own their own land and it is almost impossible for them to lose...
  • SM says:

    I think that there is the erroneous belief that Europe started the Industrial revolution. It actually started in England and then spread to Europe. It then subsequently spread to the rest of the world. The question should be why did the Industrial revolution start first in England and not in Poland, Bulgaria, France…..

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  • In the discussion at the previous post, in which I took exception to Ron Unz's theory of the East Asian Exception, he alerted me to so additional work on the matter he'd done as a Harvard freshman on Chinese IQ. You can read his summary of Social Darwinism and Rural China as well as Steve...
  • @Jim
    "I’m pretty sure that they didn’t have real statehood at the time of their conquests of the 13th century. A real state is bigger than any man or any family. A real state cannot be split among the children of a king. It is not any man’s or any family’s property. It has large bureaucratic institutions that tend to endure in a stable fashion through many changes of leadership. It can go on functioning without anyone at the top."

    They did have a state, in a sense, because they were part of or closely connected to a bigger truly state-like entity, the Jin Dynasty (1115-1234). The Borjigin Mongols of Khan were the Menggu Shiwei and they had long been part of the civilized Liao Dynasty (907-1125) and later had intimate relations with the equally civilized Jin Dynasty. Khan was actually given the title "chautquri" (battle ruler) by the Jin Emperor Wanyan Madage. So the Mongols always had an imperial mindset.

    One day a Mongol could be alone hunting deer near Lake Baikal or chasing wild asses in the remotest part of the Gobi Desert (like a hunter-gatherer, developmentally a stage below pastoralism), a few weeks later he could be seated in the presence of the Chinese emperor (in many cases an ethnic Mongol himself as was the case with the Khitans and Tuoba) in Beijing or Chang'an (where half-Mongol Tang emperors ruled) discussing military affairs, trade relations and matters of imperial administration. This pattern can be seen all through history.

    For example (from Wikipedia) 'the Mongolic-speaking Xianbei originally formed a part of the Donghu confederation, but existed even before that time, as evidenced by a mention in the Guoyu ("晉語八" section) which states that during the reign of King Cheng of Zhou (reigned 1042-1021 BC) the Xianbei came to participate at a meeting of Zhou subject-lords at Qiyang (岐阳) (now Qishan County) but were only allowed to perform the fire ceremony under the supervision of Chu (楚), since they were not vassals by covenant (诸侯).'

    I may not know the fine details but I know that there was a succession of rather advanced empires on the Mongolian steppes starting with the Donghu (c. 1200B.C.-209B.C), Xiongnu (209B.C.-93A.D) and continuing with the Xianbei (93-234), Murong (235-670), Rouran (330-555), Turk (552-744), Uyghur (745-840), Liao (907-1125) and all these before the Mongols of Khan. These states were big and complex enough and had close enough relations with China so I would call them states. They all had a physical territory, a subject population, formalized foreign relations, an organized state bureaucracy, so I think most of the basic criteria are met.

    I'm not sure if the same 3000 year old tradition of statehood applies in Central Asia, in the Stans. It's far from China. It's true though that Iran exerted a lot of influence culturally and genetically from the Achaemenids onward. There (in Central Asia) IQ strangely decreases as we move from Mongoloid to Southern Caucasoid: Kazakhstan (94), Kyrgyzstan (90), other three Stans (87), Iran (84).

    I think Central Asian underdevelopment (Kazakh/Kirgiz) has alot to do with socio-cultural/geographic vs HBD/genetic factors.

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  • @Jim
    "I’m pretty sure that they didn’t have real statehood at the time of their conquests of the 13th century. A real state is bigger than any man or any family. A real state cannot be split among the children of a king. It is not any man’s or any family’s property. It has large bureaucratic institutions that tend to endure in a stable fashion through many changes of leadership. It can go on functioning without anyone at the top."

    They did have a state, in a sense, because they were part of or closely connected to a bigger truly state-like entity, the Jin Dynasty (1115-1234). The Borjigin Mongols of Khan were the Menggu Shiwei and they had long been part of the civilized Liao Dynasty (907-1125) and later had intimate relations with the equally civilized Jin Dynasty. Khan was actually given the title "chautquri" (battle ruler) by the Jin Emperor Wanyan Madage. So the Mongols always had an imperial mindset.

    One day a Mongol could be alone hunting deer near Lake Baikal or chasing wild asses in the remotest part of the Gobi Desert (like a hunter-gatherer, developmentally a stage below pastoralism), a few weeks later he could be seated in the presence of the Chinese emperor (in many cases an ethnic Mongol himself as was the case with the Khitans and Tuoba) in Beijing or Chang'an (where half-Mongol Tang emperors ruled) discussing military affairs, trade relations and matters of imperial administration. This pattern can be seen all through history.

    For example (from Wikipedia) 'the Mongolic-speaking Xianbei originally formed a part of the Donghu confederation, but existed even before that time, as evidenced by a mention in the Guoyu ("晉語八" section) which states that during the reign of King Cheng of Zhou (reigned 1042-1021 BC) the Xianbei came to participate at a meeting of Zhou subject-lords at Qiyang (岐阳) (now Qishan County) but were only allowed to perform the fire ceremony under the supervision of Chu (楚), since they were not vassals by covenant (诸侯).'

    I may not know the fine details but I know that there was a succession of rather advanced empires on the Mongolian steppes starting with the Donghu (c. 1200B.C.-209B.C), Xiongnu (209B.C.-93A.D) and continuing with the Xianbei (93-234), Murong (235-670), Rouran (330-555), Turk (552-744), Uyghur (745-840), Liao (907-1125) and all these before the Mongols of Khan. These states were big and complex enough and had close enough relations with China so I would call them states. They all had a physical territory, a subject population, formalized foreign relations, an organized state bureaucracy, so I think most of the basic criteria are met.

    I'm not sure if the same 3000 year old tradition of statehood applies in Central Asia, in the Stans. It's far from China. It's true though that Iran exerted a lot of influence culturally and genetically from the Achaemenids onward. There (in Central Asia) IQ strangely decreases as we move from Mongoloid to Southern Caucasoid: Kazakhstan (94), Kyrgyzstan (90), other three Stans (87), Iran (84).

    According to DODECAD, Kyrgyz have a higher Mongoloid/East Asian component than Kazakhs (70-80% vs 60-70%).

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  • @HX (Huax)
    whoops.

    To be honest, this table is completely irrelevant, because different provinces even have different full marks…….Shanghai is at the bottom…

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  • @SP
    "Can you imagine how many African Americans could actually develop the functional ability of being able to read and write 3000 or so Chinese characters with any degree of fluency?"

    I would imagaine, if with life-time dedication and under the gunpoint, 13? 12 perhap? None of them is named Obama, surely.

    AK: This is a moderation note. Please avoid overt racism here.

    Obama’s half brother Mark Ndesandjo lives in China. http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1939695,00.html

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  • As human capital is so important for prosperity, it behoves us to know China's in detail to assess whether it will continue converging on developed countries. Until recently the best data we had were disparate IQ tests (on the basis of which Richard Lynn's latest estimate is an IQ of 105.8 in his 2012 book...
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Zhejiang number from the 2012 PISA has once again been leaked. This time it’s 623 in math, 570 in reading, and 582 in science. Better than Shanghai. But here is the shocker from article.
    “我省组织实施PISA试测的,是省教育考试院。该院新闻发言人冯成火说,2012年的PISA测试,测试的学校和2009年的相同,抽测的是普通中学学生,也就是说没有重高参加,乡镇学校仍占80%左右,且参加抽测的主体是初三学生。”

    “The provincial Education Examination handled organization implementation of PISA test measured the province. The spokesman Feng Chenghou said, the 2012 PISA test, the same school in 2009 are tested, sampling tests are ordinary high school student, none of the key schools participated, rural and township schools still account for about 80%, and the students are mostly from the 9th grade.”

    Note: China’s compulsory education ends at 9th grade, afterwards student can choose to enter college bound high schools, career bound vocational schools, or directly into apprenticeships. The last two options has gotten a lot flak in the international media as child labor abuses. Since the sampling is mostly at 8th grade, the Zhejiang numbers are not liked to be skewed by filtration effects at 9th-10th grade divide.

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  • He writes: China isn't anywhere near as backward as he portrays it. (1) The urban-rural ratio was essentially 50/50 according to the 2010 Census. Furthermore, rural Chinese don't really suffer from the absolute destitution common to peasants in Third World countries. They own their own land and it is almost impossible for them to lose...
  • @charly
    Nourishment is very important factor in IQ. NK experienced 2 famines in the last 20 years so it would be surprising if they did have the same IQ as SK. I know you don't want to hear this because otherwise you wouldn't call it crap.


    High average IQ doesn't make groups affluent but affluency makes group have a high IQ. There is no known genetic reason why some groups should be smarter that others (except sickle cell) but we do know of many not genetic reasons why some groups have higher IQ scores (training, food, general health)

    Gimme a break. The only paradox here is why you are such an [snipped].

    AK: I don’t tend to actively moderate, but please cut out the name calling.

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  • @William
    This also explains the apparent paradox of "why Europeans should become the rulers of the world even though they have lower IQ than East Asians".... again, it's a combination of factors including the environment and the mindset of the people, in addition to intelligence. Bear in mind that the difference isn't that great (European 100 vs. East Asian 105). If the gap were much wider then it would've made a difference.

    One more interesting observations: Ashkenazi Jews have much higher IQ than Germans (120 vs 100). Then why is it that it was the Germans who exterminated the Jews during World War II and not the other way around? Again, it's not their IQ that made the difference (obviously).

    There is no paradox.

    Europeans were smarter than malnourished and uneducated Asians.

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  • @William
    Ok, my point is that IQ doesn't necessarily have anything to do with wealth of nations. I used South Korea and North Korea as an example because they are one people (should have same IQ) but yet their wealth are day and night. But now you're saying that North Koreans have much lower IQs than South Koreans, which sounds ridiculous but let's just assume that is the case. But there are obviously many more examples out there than the Koreas. Look no further than Hong Kong and Mainland China's Guangdong province. IQ obviously does not explain why Hong Kongers are much more affluent than their Cantonese counterparts in Guangdong. And please... don't give me some crap like "Oh Cantonese people have much lower IQ than Hong Kongers and they are 1 inch shorter".

    Point is, there are much more to it than IQ when it comes to generating wealth. You can be the smartest people, but if you don't have the right mindset or methodology, or you live in a crappy environment like a dessert, then your ability to generate wealth can be very limiting.

    Nourishment is very important factor in IQ. NK experienced 2 famines in the last 20 years so it would be surprising if they did have the same IQ as SK. I know you don’t want to hear this because otherwise you wouldn’t call it crap.

    High average IQ doesn’t make groups affluent but affluency makes group have a high IQ. There is no known genetic reason why some groups should be smarter that others (except sickle cell) but we do know of many not genetic reasons why some groups have higher IQ scores (training, food, general health)

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    Gimme a break. The only paradox here is why you are such an [snipped].

    AK: I don't tend to actively moderate, but please cut out the name calling.

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  • @William
    Ok, my point is that IQ doesn't necessarily have anything to do with wealth of nations. I used South Korea and North Korea as an example because they are one people (should have same IQ) but yet their wealth are day and night. But now you're saying that North Koreans have much lower IQs than South Koreans, which sounds ridiculous but let's just assume that is the case. But there are obviously many more examples out there than the Koreas. Look no further than Hong Kong and Mainland China's Guangdong province. IQ obviously does not explain why Hong Kongers are much more affluent than their Cantonese counterparts in Guangdong. And please... don't give me some crap like "Oh Cantonese people have much lower IQ than Hong Kongers and they are 1 inch shorter".

    Point is, there are much more to it than IQ when it comes to generating wealth. You can be the smartest people, but if you don't have the right mindset or methodology, or you live in a crappy environment like a dessert, then your ability to generate wealth can be very limiting.

    This also explains the apparent paradox of “why Europeans should become the rulers of the world even though they have lower IQ than East Asians”…. again, it’s a combination of factors including the environment and the mindset of the people, in addition to intelligence. Bear in mind that the difference isn’t that great (European 100 vs. East Asian 105). If the gap were much wider then it would’ve made a difference.

    One more interesting observations: Ashkenazi Jews have much higher IQ than Germans (120 vs 100). Then why is it that it was the Germans who exterminated the Jews during World War II and not the other way around? Again, it’s not their IQ that made the difference (obviously).

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    There is no paradox.

    Europeans were smarter than malnourished and uneducated Asians.

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  • @charly
    IQ is like height. For individuals it is dominated by inheritance but for groups is is dominated by environment. See SK which is a foot taller than NK on average. If you consider the periods of severe malnutrition in NK than the IQ differences should be expected to be as big as their height difference.

    ps. NK statistics should be distrusted by default but we do have the South Korean and Japanese numbers and we know what the scholastic achievements of the Korean minority in Japan is so saying that South Koreans score higher than Japanese Koreans should be without controversy.

    Ok, my point is that IQ doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with wealth of nations. I used South Korea and North Korea as an example because they are one people (should have same IQ) but yet their wealth are day and night. But now you’re saying that North Koreans have much lower IQs than South Koreans, which sounds ridiculous but let’s just assume that is the case. But there are obviously many more examples out there than the Koreas. Look no further than Hong Kong and Mainland China’s Guangdong province. IQ obviously does not explain why Hong Kongers are much more affluent than their Cantonese counterparts in Guangdong. And please… don’t give me some crap like “Oh Cantonese people have much lower IQ than Hong Kongers and they are 1 inch shorter”.

    Point is, there are much more to it than IQ when it comes to generating wealth. You can be the smartest people, but if you don’t have the right mindset or methodology, or you live in a crappy environment like a dessert, then your ability to generate wealth can be very limiting.

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    • Replies: @William
    This also explains the apparent paradox of "why Europeans should become the rulers of the world even though they have lower IQ than East Asians".... again, it's a combination of factors including the environment and the mindset of the people, in addition to intelligence. Bear in mind that the difference isn't that great (European 100 vs. East Asian 105). If the gap were much wider then it would've made a difference.

    One more interesting observations: Ashkenazi Jews have much higher IQ than Germans (120 vs 100). Then why is it that it was the Germans who exterminated the Jews during World War II and not the other way around? Again, it's not their IQ that made the difference (obviously).

    , @charly
    Nourishment is very important factor in IQ. NK experienced 2 famines in the last 20 years so it would be surprising if they did have the same IQ as SK. I know you don't want to hear this because otherwise you wouldn't call it crap.


    High average IQ doesn't make groups affluent but affluency makes group have a high IQ. There is no known genetic reason why some groups should be smarter that others (except sickle cell) but we do know of many not genetic reasons why some groups have higher IQ scores (training, food, general health)

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  • @JT
    You said ".. it is also true that extra-ordinary claims need extra-ordinary proof. I don’t think that secret NK statistic will disproof that South Koreans are much taller than North Koreans" .But you didn't just claim SKers are much more taller than Nkers... you claimed they are taller by a foot, that's a full 12 inches ! That's an "extra-ordinary" claim, if I have ever heard one ..so where is your "extra-ordinary proof?"

    I did come upon this article while googling on the subject : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17774210. According to Professor Daniel Schwekendiek who has compared the heights of both populations, "North Korean men are, on average, between 3 - 8cm (1.2 - 3.1in) shorter than their South Korean counterparts." The study is done on NK refugees in SK, so one has to question whether this population is truly representative of the entire NK population. But Prof. Schwekendiek dismissed the objections and claimed that the refugees come from all walks of life and from all regions Regardless, his estimate of 1.2 to 3.1 inches is a far cry from the 1 foot that you cited.

    Of course, the discussion on height is a digression; the subject of Anatoly's post is on IQ. Unfortunately, I can't find any reliable NK data on this. "IQ and The Wealth of Nations" by Lynn and Vanhanen lists the NK IQ as 105, a very high number that's close to the SK average, but the methodology is flawed at best. The authors simply took the average of neighboring countries.

    A much more interesting discussion would be Vietnam's performance in the recent PISA test. It ranked 17th overall among all countries tested, a surprisingly decent result for a very poor country. Not as good as the North-East asians but better than many wealthier nations ... and certainly much better than it's neighbors like Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. Unlike the SouthEast Asians that it is often lumped with, Vietnam is heavily Confucian like the Chinese, Koreans and Japanese. So what does this say -- or doesn't say -- about the “East Asian Exception” hypothesis?

    I’m European so foot as measurement isn’t baked into me. But you are right, 30cm does seem to me a little excessive especially considering that Koreans aren’t exactly big. But it is true that there is a very significant height difference between NK and SK. Refugees are normal coming from a better than average environment so that hight difference would be even bigger for all North Koreans.

    Height is not a digression. Problem with IQ is that it is very politicized and not very clear defined. Height does not have that problem.

    Vietnam is also communistic and relatively monolingual and classless. Reasons which are much more obvious linked to high scholastic achievements.

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  • You said “.. it is also true that extra-ordinary claims need extra-ordinary proof. I don’t think that secret NK statistic will disproof that South Koreans are much taller than North Koreans” .But you didn’t just claim SKers are much more taller than Nkers… you claimed they are taller by a foot, that’s a full 12 inches ! That’s an “extra-ordinary” claim, if I have ever heard one ..so where is your “extra-ordinary proof?”

    I did come upon this article while googling on the subject : http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17774210. According to Professor Daniel Schwekendiek who has compared the heights of both populations, “North Korean men are, on average, between 3 – 8cm (1.2 – 3.1in) shorter than their South Korean counterparts.” The study is done on NK refugees in SK, so one has to question whether this population is truly representative of the entire NK population. But Prof. Schwekendiek dismissed the objections and claimed that the refugees come from all walks of life and from all regions Regardless, his estimate of 1.2 to 3.1 inches is a far cry from the 1 foot that you cited.

    Of course, the discussion on height is a digression; the subject of Anatoly’s post is on IQ. Unfortunately, I can’t find any reliable NK data on this. “IQ and The Wealth of Nations” by Lynn and Vanhanen lists the NK IQ as 105, a very high number that’s close to the SK average, but the methodology is flawed at best. The authors simply took the average of neighboring countries.

    A much more interesting discussion would be Vietnam’s performance in the recent PISA test. It ranked 17th overall among all countries tested, a surprisingly decent result for a very poor country. Not as good as the North-East asians but better than many wealthier nations … and certainly much better than it’s neighbors like Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia. Unlike the SouthEast Asians that it is often lumped with, Vietnam is heavily Confucian like the Chinese, Koreans and Japanese. So what does this say — or doesn’t say — about the “East Asian Exception” hypothesis?

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    I'm European so foot as measurement isn't baked into me. But you are right, 30cm does seem to me a little excessive especially considering that Koreans aren't exactly big. But it is true that there is a very significant height difference between NK and SK. Refugees are normal coming from a better than average environment so that hight difference would be even bigger for all North Koreans.

    Height is not a digression. Problem with IQ is that it is very politicized and not very clear defined. Height does not have that problem.


    Vietnam is also communistic and relatively monolingual and classless. Reasons which are much more obvious linked to high scholastic achievements.

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  • @charly
    That they are a foot smaller is common knowledge and easily observed. IQ and periods of severe malnutrition don't go hand-in-hand. But why do you not ask about the data for South Koreans and Japanese Koreans?

    It is true that common knowledge and easily observed doesn’t make it true but it is also true that extra-ordinary claims need extra-ordinary proof. I don’t think that secret NK statistic will disproof that South Koreans are much taller than North Koreans

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  • @charly
    That they are a foot smaller is common knowledge and easily observed. IQ and periods of severe malnutrition don't go hand-in-hand. But why do you not ask about the data for South Koreans and Japanese Koreans?

    Well, we’re going to need data for Koreans outside of NK too for proper comparisons. But those should be easy to obtain from reputable sources. I was just curious if you have good data on North Korea as the government is notoriously secretive and unreliable. Unfortunately, if we’re going to settle the “East Asian Exception” debate we need more solid data. Claiming that something is “common knowledge and easily observed” does not make it true. That’s not how science works.

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  • He writes: China isn't anywhere near as backward as he portrays it. (1) The urban-rural ratio was essentially 50/50 according to the 2010 Census. Furthermore, rural Chinese don't really suffer from the absolute destitution common to peasants in Third World countries. They own their own land and it is almost impossible for them to lose...
  • @JT
    Can you point us to your sources on NK height and IQ ? Where did you get these data? Some hard facts should go a long way towards settling the debate over Ron Unz's "East Asian Exception" hypothesis.

    That they are a foot smaller is common knowledge and easily observed. IQ and periods of severe malnutrition don’t go hand-in-hand. But why do you not ask about the data for South Koreans and Japanese Koreans?

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    Well, we're going to need data for Koreans outside of NK too for proper comparisons. But those should be easy to obtain from reputable sources. I was just curious if you have good data on North Korea as the government is notoriously secretive and unreliable. Unfortunately, if we're going to settle the “East Asian Exception” debate we need more solid data. Claiming that something is "common knowledge and easily observed" does not make it true. That's not how science works.
    , @charly
    It is true that common knowledge and easily observed doesn't make it true but it is also true that extra-ordinary claims need extra-ordinary proof. I don't think that secret NK statistic will disproof that South Koreans are much taller than North Koreans
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  • @charly
    IQ is like height. For individuals it is dominated by inheritance but for groups is is dominated by environment. See SK which is a foot taller than NK on average. If you consider the periods of severe malnutrition in NK than the IQ differences should be expected to be as big as their height difference.

    ps. NK statistics should be distrusted by default but we do have the South Korean and Japanese numbers and we know what the scholastic achievements of the Korean minority in Japan is so saying that South Koreans score higher than Japanese Koreans should be without controversy.

    Can you point us to your sources on NK height and IQ ? Where did you get these data? Some hard facts should go a long way towards settling the debate over Ron Unz’s “East Asian Exception” hypothesis.

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    That they are a foot smaller is common knowledge and easily observed. IQ and periods of severe malnutrition don't go hand-in-hand. But why do you not ask about the data for South Koreans and Japanese Koreans?
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  • @William
    Where did you get the idea that NK have lower IQ than SK? It's like saying NK are significantly darker looking than SK. Makes no sense. They are one people and their mental as well as physically capabilities should be equivalent on average. Please... have some common sense.

    IQ is like height. For individuals it is dominated by inheritance but for groups is is dominated by environment. See SK which is a foot taller than NK on average. If you consider the periods of severe malnutrition in NK than the IQ differences should be expected to be as big as their height difference.

    ps. NK statistics should be distrusted by default but we do have the South Korean and Japanese numbers and we know what the scholastic achievements of the Korean minority in Japan is so saying that South Koreans score higher than Japanese Koreans should be without controversy.

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    Can you point us to your sources on NK height and IQ ? Where did you get these data? Some hard facts should go a long way towards settling the debate over Ron Unz's "East Asian Exception" hypothesis.
    , @William
    Ok, my point is that IQ doesn't necessarily have anything to do with wealth of nations. I used South Korea and North Korea as an example because they are one people (should have same IQ) but yet their wealth are day and night. But now you're saying that North Koreans have much lower IQs than South Koreans, which sounds ridiculous but let's just assume that is the case. But there are obviously many more examples out there than the Koreas. Look no further than Hong Kong and Mainland China's Guangdong province. IQ obviously does not explain why Hong Kongers are much more affluent than their Cantonese counterparts in Guangdong. And please... don't give me some crap like "Oh Cantonese people have much lower IQ than Hong Kongers and they are 1 inch shorter".

    Point is, there are much more to it than IQ when it comes to generating wealth. You can be the smartest people, but if you don't have the right mindset or methodology, or you live in a crappy environment like a dessert, then your ability to generate wealth can be very limiting.

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  • @charly
    North Korean IQ is significantly lower than SK. Also Japanese Koreans are less smart on average than South Koreans even though their (great)grandparents were smarter than Koreans on average.

    The main reason why North Korea is that they don't have access to the American market (and a lot of other markets) and economic achievements are mainly dominated by network effects.


    ps. Some people will claim that it has to do with how the economy is run and that capitalism doesn't work etc. using North Korea as example but it is purely the network effect

    Where did you get the idea that NK have lower IQ than SK? It’s like saying NK are significantly darker looking than SK. Makes no sense. They are one people and their mental as well as physically capabilities should be equivalent on average. Please… have some common sense.

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    IQ is like height. For individuals it is dominated by inheritance but for groups is is dominated by environment. See SK which is a foot taller than NK on average. If you consider the periods of severe malnutrition in NK than the IQ differences should be expected to be as big as their height difference.

    ps. NK statistics should be distrusted by default but we do have the South Korean and Japanese numbers and we know what the scholastic achievements of the Korean minority in Japan is so saying that South Koreans score higher than Japanese Koreans should be without controversy.

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  • @William
    AK,

    IQ sometimes has no correlation to the economic performance of the people... just look at North Korea vs. South Korea. They are essentially the same people with equivalent IQ, yet their economic achievements are night and day. Same with China and Europe... just because Chinese has higher IQ, doesn't mean it should outperform Europe... there are many other factors at play here. I do agree that everything should eventually regress to the mean (meaning that high IQ populations should eventually outperform lower IQ ones)... but sometimes this process can take a very long time (perhaps centuries :)

    North Korean IQ is significantly lower than SK. Also Japanese Koreans are less smart on average than South Koreans even though their (great)grandparents were smarter than Koreans on average.

    The main reason why North Korea is that they don’t have access to the American market (and a lot of other markets) and economic achievements are mainly dominated by network effects.

    ps. Some people will claim that it has to do with how the economy is run and that capitalism doesn’t work etc. using North Korea as example but it is purely the network effect

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    Where did you get the idea that NK have lower IQ than SK? It's like saying NK are significantly darker looking than SK. Makes no sense. They are one people and their mental as well as physically capabilities should be equivalent on average. Please... have some common sense.
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  • AK,

    IQ sometimes has no correlation to the economic performance of the people… just look at North Korea vs. South Korea. They are essentially the same people with equivalent IQ, yet their economic achievements are night and day. Same with China and Europe… just because Chinese has higher IQ, doesn’t mean it should outperform Europe… there are many other factors at play here. I do agree that everything should eventually regress to the mean (meaning that high IQ populations should eventually outperform lower IQ ones)… but sometimes this process can take a very long time (perhaps centuries :)

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    North Korean IQ is significantly lower than SK. Also Japanese Koreans are less smart on average than South Koreans even though their (great)grandparents were smarter than Koreans on average.

    The main reason why North Korea is that they don't have access to the American market (and a lot of other markets) and economic achievements are mainly dominated by network effects.


    ps. Some people will claim that it has to do with how the economy is run and that capitalism doesn't work etc. using North Korea as example but it is purely the network effect

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  • As human capital is so important for prosperity, it behoves us to know China's in detail to assess whether it will continue converging on developed countries. Until recently the best data we had were disparate IQ tests (on the basis of which Richard Lynn's latest estimate is an IQ of 105.8 in his 2012 book...
  • You might want to compare/contrast the China IQ map with China’s population density map. Then you might discover your 101-012 IQ estimate is low, considering China’s most densely populated costal area have average IQ of 104-108.

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  • He writes: China isn't anywhere near as backward as he portrays it. (1) The urban-rural ratio was essentially 50/50 according to the 2010 Census. Furthermore, rural Chinese don't really suffer from the absolute destitution common to peasants in Third World countries. They own their own land and it is almost impossible for them to lose...
  • Mr Karlin, you won’t be saying a lot of what you have been saying if you acquaint yourself with the history of China. A good place to start is “Science and Civilization in China” by Professor Joseph Needham.

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  • @Anonymous
    Hi AK,
    I came across this website showing the result of 2012 Gaokao scores in 31 provinces, hope this will help!
    Note: it's not ranked by highest scores, but the highest average scores to get to a A-class university. For example, 78.53%(文科一本得分率) for the first line should mean the average score to get to A-class university art faculty is 78.5.

    http://gaokao.eol.cn/kuai_xun_3075/20120702/t20120702_802076.shtml

    From this news though, it's actually 广东GuangDong (Canton) Province eats the cake in 2012 Gaokao lol. ZheJiang ranks 9 in art, 5 in science (yeah it's still good), Shanghai is 10 in art and 16 in science (yes it IS around average).

    You mistake the numbers. They represent the cut off for admissions to a university inside the province. The more university positions in that province, the lower the score needed to get into one.

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  • @Richard Sharpe
    Note, that as Jing points out, but you seem to have elided in your table caption above, Beijing, Tianjin and Shanghai are not provinces. They are municipalities/cities.

    I tend to think that the downward mobility effect and selection caused by 2000 years (approximately) of the civil service exams has flushed a lot of alleles causing IQ lowering out of the population.

    Do you have any numbers for the variance?

    These four “municipalities” are bigger than any but a handful of states in the U.S. with populations of 28.8, 19.6, 12.9, and 23 millions.

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  • @Anonymous
    I'm not sure that your estimate of china's average is correct, as provinces with large populations seem all to have higher than 104 IQs. (70-80% of China's population). So I guess 105 is more possible than 102.

    I actually plugged into a spreadsheet and crunched the numbers using the IQ map given above and the population of each provinces of China. The IQ for China today is 105.3. Once China’s GDP rises to to the level of Hong Kong, you can probably add another 3 to 6 points to that.

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  • If you take out the reading score for China, you basically have China and Korea with essentially the same top score with IQ of 106. The reason this is reasonable is that in rural China they don’t know what is an ATM or an airbag (two questions in the 2009 PISA) where as the Koreans all know what these are. The rural Chinese (80% of the tested subjects) have a comparative disadvantage in this area.

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  • He writes: China isn't anywhere near as backward as he portrays it. (1) The urban-rural ratio was essentially 50/50 according to the 2010 Census. Furthermore, rural Chinese don't really suffer from the absolute destitution common to peasants in Third World countries. They own their own land and it is almost impossible for them to lose...
  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Also, Karlin, read up on the Song Enlightenment. The Europeans were very exceptional in the way they used their historical inheritance to provide radical new concepts, but the Europeans in the 1500s were undergoing the same crisis as the Chinese or the Muslims; their agricultural productivity was not growing faster than population. The Europeans were lucky enough to manage to expand into the Americas; allowing them to build wealth and agricultural capability to escape the Malthusian trap that doomed the Chinese.

    The Chinese actually achieved the same result back in the Song dynasty in 1100, 1200, complete with paper money and other innovations. They used new strains of rice, promoted by the Chinese State to radically increase productivity, and productivity increased faster than population growth as a result. During that period, radical new ideas emerged in China, like Neo-Confucianism, and most importantly, orthodox Neo-Confucianism, which espoused a type of proto-science based in the investigation of things as a mode of moral self-improvement. China made its greatest leaps in mathematics in that era, and achieved the majority of its technological innovations in the same era. The Chinese had joint stock companies, and after the collapse of the Northern Song, the Southern Song state was too weak to prevent the emergence of a commercial class, which began voyages into Southeast Asia.

    After the destruction of the Southern Song by the Mongols, however, China became significantly more autocratic as a result and the need for solid state power to defend against powerful external enemies crimped innovation. Mathematics, believe it or not, became a kind of Chinese eugenics, which became morally suspect due to its association with Mongol collaborators like eugenics became suspect due to its association with the Nazis, and many key technologies were lost, such as advanced bronze casting. China also never regained the radical improvements in agricultural productivity under the Song; while agricultural productivity continued to rise, in part due to the introduction of American crops, most of the productivity improvements were absorbed by population increases, until the state ultimately experienced a Malthusian collapse.

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    Compare Japan as a counterpoint. Japan, after the Tokugawa consolidation, grew its population rather slowly, due to exacting taxes from the political class. Productivity improvements were still possible, however, but increased production was mostly channeled back into the political class and economic elites. This allowed the development of urban culture, elite culture, and proto-capitalism in Japan with the rise of an affluent merchant class. China, under the contemporaneous Qing dynasty, actually had a policy of low taxes and minimal government as a Confucian concept of benevolent rule. So by the time of the Meiji Restoration, China had 15 times Japan’s population and significantly inferior per capita incomes and human development.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @AG
    "consist exclusively of predicates, which are woven together in an intricate planner, the whole mass seeming, like Mohammed’s coffin, to hang in the air, attached to nothing whatever. "

    Sounds like good training for math. lol.

    People don’t get listener-oriented languages versus speaker-oriented languages. Chinese is often all predicates, but the nominative is already understood through context by the listener. It’s probably related to the Chinese written language; if you’re going to write a pictographic language where each word has a discrete meaning and also takes up to 20 seconds or even a minute to write, you are not going to spend hours writing a 500 word essay when a 100 word essay where most of the meaning is encoded in implication can suffice.

    On the other hand, it is a limiting language. If you have the choice of being terse and talking about one subject incessantly versus the choice of having to insert new referents, you’re more likely to stick to a single topic. This results in lower creativity as knight’s leap thinking is effectively discouraged because you don’t want to switch to a new nominative. And Chinese philosophy, for all its splendors and precociousness (relativism millennia before the West, understanding of systems, paradoxes, humanism as state religion), developed only one interesting logical system, which was ultimately suppressed as heterodox. Compare even the Indians, who came up with several distinct logical systems. You have more difficulty chaining ideas together if terseness is your goal, and for that matter, if Chinese is an allusive language, you create more potential for misunderstanding and increase the imprecision of the language.

    The lack of inflection is also a problem. In Latin, where words have case and tense and conjugation, you must decide what you want to think before you come out with your sentence. In Chinese, you can change your mind mid-sentence and get away with it.

    Modern Chinese is less limited by characters, though, since simplified Chinese is radically easier to write, being derived from cursive Chinese, and since typewriters allow the more loquacious among them to rant forever and ever. Through Western and Japanese influence, Chinese now uses more compound words derived from simpler concepts and the terseness of the language comes to better advantage when complex ideas are struck together as in German, providing the ability to specify a concept with extreme precision. For instance, I’ve encountered multiple Chinese phrases which form an extremely elegant noun phrase, when in English the number of specifiers mean that you need to use conjunctions and prepositions to make the concept grammatical; and when struck into a common understanding in the lexicon, these terms can be easily shortened a la Newspeak, providing the ability for both terseness and precision in the same word.

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    What screwed them over in languages is quite similar to a lot of Chinese cultural weaknesses. They came up with an extremely precocious technology or technique long ago in their ancient history, and because it was so good, there was never any incentive to create an innovation complex and radically improve it; any incremental improvement would be a step backwards. Now that the West has forced China to modernize, they are now using their inherent advantages to make themselves exceptional in the world. It’s like the child prodigy who becomes a disappointment in adult life because his innate intelligence allowed him to avoid learning so many important life skills. If he’s lucky, he’ll pick them up in early adulthood and still become a high-performing member of society, but not without a lot of pain.

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  • In the discussion at the previous post, in which I took exception to Ron Unz's theory of the East Asian Exception, he alerted me to so additional work on the matter he'd done as a Harvard freshman on Chinese IQ. You can read his summary of Social Darwinism and Rural China as well as Steve...
  • @Anonymous
    in my opinion, mongols and others barbarians of Siberia are mixed with eskimos
    if you see, the culture of siberians barbarians and mongols are similares of apaches indigenous, there some eskimos tribes in north and northeast of Asia, are almost impossible theys do not meet


    I heard that the IQ of mongolia is a estimated based in mean of your neighbors(Rússia and China)

    Your knowledge is worse than 5 year old child’s.

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  • @Glossy
    "There’s no serious data on them except ‘IQ and Global Inequality’ which puts Mongolian IQ at 101."

    I didn't know that. I have Lynn's "Race Differences in Intelligence" here, published in 2006. On p. 240 he says:

    "There is a further anomaly in the intelligence of the peoples of Northeast Asia concerning the IQs of the Mongols of Mongolia and the closely related Samoyeds of Northern Siberia. There are no studies of the intelligence of these peoples but their low level of cultural development and technology suggests that it is not so high as that of the East Asians of China, Japan and Korea."

    I don't own a copy of "IQ and Global Inequality." If you own one, can you quote the place that cites Mongolian IQ at 101?

    Read this: http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html
    Low level of cultural development and technology doesnt suggest anything my friend. This depends on life circumstances and the system.

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  • I’m not sure that your estimate of china’s average is correct, as provinces with large populations seem all to have higher than 104 IQs. (70-80% of China’s population). So I guess 105 is more possible than 102.

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    I actually plugged into a spreadsheet and crunched the numbers using the IQ map given above and the population of each provinces of China. The IQ for China today is 105.3. Once China's GDP rises to to the level of Hong Kong, you can probably add another 3 to 6 points to that.
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  • In the discussion at the previous post, in which I took exception to Ron Unz's theory of the East Asian Exception, he alerted me to so additional work on the matter he'd done as a Harvard freshman on Chinese IQ. You can read his summary of Social Darwinism and Rural China as well as Steve...
  • @Kiwiguy
    Peter Frost commented on Ron's unpublished paper. In respect to the differences across Japan, Korea & China, he notes:

    "Was this factor strong enough to raise the mean level of intelligence? One objection is that the Chinese civil service exam was only partially adopted by Korea and Japan. Yet mean IQ is similar in all three societies.

    This objection ignores the broader emphasis on education in all East Asian societies. China, Korea, and Japan have long been "exam cultures," even if we exclude the civil service exam. This exam grew out of values that were embedded in Confucianism and present throughout East Asia:
    .....

    Clearly, the higher mean IQs of East Asians cannot be solely or even mainly attributed to the Confucian exam culture. The main cause was the establishment of a State society, its monopoly on the use of violence, and its creation of an orderly, rules-based society. Reproductive success depended on being able to play by the rules.

    The rules, however, were formalized in the teachings of Confucius. One’s knowledge of these teachings became a proxy for one’s ability to succeed in East Asian society. More generally, it became a proxy for intellectual performance, all the more so because one had to memorize Chinese characters (a minimum of 10,000 for functional fluency) and understand an archaic form of the language. Thus, Confucian exam culture might explain some of the differences between European and East Asian intellectual performance.

    But why did this exam culture develop in East Asia and not in Europe? Greco-Roman society similarly valued study of classical literature and proficiency in archaic Greek and Latin (as opposed to the contemporary Koine Greek and Vulgar Latin). With the advent of Christianity, however, classical “pagan” literature became viewed with suspicion. Emphasis shifted toward study of the Bible, and such study usually involved entry into celibate religious orders. Insofar as academic success was linked to heritable predispositions, the overall impact of natural selection would have been negative."

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.co.nz/2011/02/east-asian-intelligence.html

    But Japanese did not take these exams. I believe Koreans did, but not Japanese. So why the high IQ there when they had not received significant immigration from Mainland China for 2,000 years and it was never as much as they got from Korea or their own aboriginal input.

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  • @charly
    North Chinese look exactly like Southern Chinese so it doesn't fuck your theory up that Shanghai is the brainy part of China. Also people speaking the language of the capitol is unheard of.

    No Southern and Northern Han Chinese don’t look exactly alike, that is false, even Chinese will say this. Northern Han tend to look more like Koreans and MOngols, and even some Turkic groups (because much of NOrthern China was controlled by these groups on and off for centuries)…and many Southern Chinese look very much like Thai and Vietnamese because Thai and Vietnamese came from SOuthern CHina and the Han migrated down there and mixed with the local “barbarians” as well as pushing many of them into Southeast Asia.

    Classic Northern Chinese look -
    Classic Southern Chinese look –

    Southerns tend to be darker and shorter with flatter wider noses and deeper set eyes…northerners the opposite.

    This reflects a genetic cline from north to south in China as well:

    http://pmsol3.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/chinese-y-chromosome-testing/

    Han men married local women where they migrated, and raised their kids as Han Chinese, which makes up most of the genetic difference.

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  • I shall make some nationalist comments here.

    Celtic Europe (The Atlantic coast from Morocco to Iceland) divided land equally between all the children. This included the English, a mixture of Germans and Celts, until 1066 when the Normans introduced primogeniture.

    The modern rise in standard of living in England began in the Eastern counties after the Black Death when age for men at marriage rose to 28 or so from 23. Women married around 22 years old rather than 20. (This is from memory – it was in the New Scientist and on some now ancient BBC history program). Basically, after a period of overpopulation when expectation of young males was low so women were indifferent, some young males had access to land and were more valuable for marriage than others. We can expect diligence, impulsivity and intelligence to give advantages in a struggle for land. In those days and for much longer, the labouring poor reproduced less successfully than the yeoman class (renters of a farm).

    But intelligence as the key to human achievement is hokum in more ways than I am going to list here. As the Cookie Test demonstrated, other factors are at least as important in terms of achievement. Managed impulsivity is one (do smokers have lower IQ’s – no, they are less able to control impulses). Motivation is another. Only a few highly intelligent, diligent and motivated people are required to make the big advances.

    Other thoughts.
    European Neolithic and Bronze ages – very little warfare in the archaeological record. So, not much coercion, selection depends on personal choices.
    European Iron Age to Black Death – armed warrior aristocracy makes the social decisions. So, aristocratic genes dispersed into population in preference to slave/serf class males who died unmarried.
    Basic English has a German vocabulary with very few Celtic words but in recent years it has been observed that almost all Grammatical variations from German involving verbs are derived from early Welsh. So English doesn’t just have a huge vocabulary. It has multiple sources of grammar. Very tough for someone who speaks a more logically consistent language.

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    Peter Frost commented on Ron's unpublished paper. In respect to the differences across Japan, Korea & China, he notes:

    "Was this factor strong enough to raise the mean level of intelligence? One objection is that the Chinese civil service exam was only partially adopted by Korea and Japan. Yet mean IQ is similar in all three societies.

    This objection ignores the broader emphasis on education in all East Asian societies. China, Korea, and Japan have long been "exam cultures," even if we exclude the civil service exam. This exam grew out of values that were embedded in Confucianism and present throughout East Asia:
    .....

    Clearly, the higher mean IQs of East Asians cannot be solely or even mainly attributed to the Confucian exam culture. The main cause was the establishment of a State society, its monopoly on the use of violence, and its creation of an orderly, rules-based society. Reproductive success depended on being able to play by the rules.

    The rules, however, were formalized in the teachings of Confucius. One’s knowledge of these teachings became a proxy for one’s ability to succeed in East Asian society. More generally, it became a proxy for intellectual performance, all the more so because one had to memorize Chinese characters (a minimum of 10,000 for functional fluency) and understand an archaic form of the language. Thus, Confucian exam culture might explain some of the differences between European and East Asian intellectual performance.

    But why did this exam culture develop in East Asia and not in Europe? Greco-Roman society similarly valued study of classical literature and proficiency in archaic Greek and Latin (as opposed to the contemporary Koine Greek and Vulgar Latin). With the advent of Christianity, however, classical “pagan” literature became viewed with suspicion. Emphasis shifted toward study of the Bible, and such study usually involved entry into celibate religious orders. Insofar as academic success was linked to heritable predispositions, the overall impact of natural selection would have been negative."

    http://evoandproud.blogspot.co.nz/2011/02/east-asian-intelligence.html

    SeekiYan said: According to the statistics of Chinese characters used in newspapers, 90% of the daily used Chinese characters are around 600 only. 97% of the daily used characters are up to 2000 characters. That means if you know about 600 characters you can read and thoroughly understand the newspaper written in Chinese already.
    My own experience in studying English: After studying English for more then ten years and sit for the SAT, in the analogy session, they give a pair of words and then required me to choose the answers from four other pairs of words in the questions. I don’t know any one of it out the ten vocabulary, not in only one question, but in most of the questions. The English speaking people always proud of their rich in vocabulary, but in fact this is a nightmare for a foreigner of different culture to learn their language. After forty years of using English, I still cannot grasp the simple (as native English speaking people say) grammar in English.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    in my opinion, mongols and others barbarians of Siberia are mixed with eskimos
    if you see, the culture of siberians barbarians and mongols are similares of apaches indigenous, there some eskimos tribes in north and northeast of Asia, are almost impossible theys do not meet

    I heard that the IQ of mongolia is a estimated based in mean of your neighbors(Rússia and China)

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    Your knowledge is worse than 5 year old child's.
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  • As human capital is so important for prosperity, it behoves us to know China's in detail to assess whether it will continue converging on developed countries. Until recently the best data we had were disparate IQ tests (on the basis of which Richard Lynn's latest estimate is an IQ of 105.8 in his 2012 book...
  • [...] one by Steve Sailer, in terms of quality, reliability of info and depth/accuracy of the analysis: Analysis Of China’s PISA 2009 Results | Anatoly Karlin Another related piece of AK is also quite informative: The Evolution Of Chinese IQ | Anatoly [...]

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