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    Colleagues, rivals, academics and propagandists East and West have written much nonsense about Mao Zedong yet, when we correct for bias and discard patent falsehoods it becomes clear that, apart from the bloodshed that accompanies wars and revolutions, it’s doubtful that Mao killed anyone and indubitable that he gave life to billions. Indeed, no-one has...
  • @survey-of-disinfo
    I noted that in his reply Godfree Roberts failed to actually provide any insights beyond promoting his upcoming book.

    He also ignored my question regarding his neglecting this entirely salient matter: China would still be a basket case even with Deng if the West Inc. had not determined that integrating the Chinese elite into the global mafia is a win-win for the outfit.

    A very expensive book with no substantive reviews on the internet (at least per Google):
    https://www.amazon.com/Prospect-America-Rockefeller-Panel-Reports/dp/B000FMPMHY

    As Mr. Roberts has admitted, West Inc.'s information control strategy is a few generations ahead of the old fashioned censorship of the old world. Censorship through obscurity was a viable approach until the internet reduced the obscurity factor, but this is currently being addressed via soft ("fake news") firm (the tech platforms and their owners) and hard (laws) mechanisms.

    The key, in my opinion, is understanding how the demise of the American superpower could be in the interest of the outfit. Once you see that, everything else starts to make sense.

    I made no attempt to provide insights. My job is to provide verifiable facts and evidence. Your job is to read them, consider them and, if you can, refute them.

    Would you care to refute them?

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  • In 1980 Deng Xiaoping set 2020 as the completion date for his Reform and Opening program–a 40-year overhaul of China’s economy. On June 1, 2021 President Xi will announce that all Deng’s goals have been reached and a basic xiaokang society established: no one is poor and everyone receives an education, has paid employment, more...
  • @Jaylon
    It is a good read until the last paragragh - what? Trying to have a pension plan model after US social security? Does he not know that system will soon be bankrupt? If he does that, that will be the end of Xi's printine reputation!

    They want American-style SS portability and Chinese-style solvency. It’s the portability that rich provinces are resisting: they want to hang onto the surpluses that the poor migrant workers are forced to leave in their care. Plus ca change

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  • @22pp22
    Ancient China is a fascinating civilization.

    But Joseph Needham? Come on! The man was caught in one lie after another. He was delusional. He said that Aztec culture was clearly inspired by China.

    An no Chinese people did not split the atom or invent the aeroplane. Westerners did.

    One lie after another? I’m very familiar with Needham’s non-scientific work (for which he was knighted and which was never found lacking) and with critiques of it.

    Can you provide us with two or three direct quotes to support your allegation?

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  • @Che Guava
    Thank you, God-free.

    Polite and informative reply, you likely are correct about his failure at engineering. Just a certificate of completion, not a degree. Not worth checking, in any case.

    Wanted to check your other point, so asking my good friend and neighbour from PRC which version of the other part he is believing, was Xi arrested and sent back, or kindly uncle and aunt to advising the young Xi to go back?

    My friend had no hesitation to say that the former is generally believed, and the latter most unlikely.

    God-free, I am agreeing about much you say about The Great Helmsman, but you go too far to excuse things.

    Personally, I think it is a shame that Deng ever assumed the 'Proletarian Mandate of Heaven', I like parts of his style, love of cigarettes, but his programme was revenge for his exile.

    So, as you would know, rural school and health systems destroyed, in a very narrow frame of time. The Party princelings, like earlier versions of Xi, established in power.

    You can not having it both ways, but you are trying to propagandise both. Anybody with reason can see.

    Che,

    If you ask a broader question I believe that most answers will support Xi’s own account: Did the sent-down kids shuttle back and forth between the countryside and mama’s welcoming arms and were they looked down on by the peasantry for that reason? A lot of peasants came to see the sent-down thing as just another Beijing boondoggle, something to occupy the wannabe Red Guards. Also, we have Xi’s own testimony and he’s never been known to tell a lie.

    Why do you say, “you go too far to excuse things” when (a) I don’t excuse anything (though my explanations may be new to you) and (b) you offer no evidence that I ‘go too far’?

    And why do you not use my name when addressing me? It looks like a dumb form of ad hominem.

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  • @jtl170
    Some pro-China commenters have suggested that Western whites have produced no good, and all evil. Is that really true? Western imperialism introduced modern education, technology and political organization into regions that had been stagnant for centuries. Modern railroads, ports and automotive transport simply did not exist until Westerners came.

    Even today, the manufacturing industries of the East are products of the scientific discoveries of the West. I just don't buy the idea that the white West has been the genesis of all evil, and nothing good. I think the non-West has benefited extravagantly from our accomplishments.

    Furthermore, wasn't it Eastern brutality that created the horrors of the Japanese Empire? Wasn't it Eastern brutality under Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Il Sung/Jong Il/Jong Un that have slaughtered tens of millions of Asians?

    Some pro-China commenters have suggested that Western whites have produced no good, and all evil. Is that really true?

    Sure its not true. Examples of such comments?

    I just don’t buy the idea that the white West has been the genesis of all evil, and nothing good.

    Sure, the hardworking West people were real good in old time. Now what good do they give other than below extravagant benefits they bestowed kindly, even start cannibalizing among themselves now?

    I think the non-West has benefited extravagantly from our accomplishments.

    Eg? Slavery of blacks, Opium wars to China, Colonizing the world by violent, rampage of wars after wars, regimes change, color revolution, coup, installation of pro-west dictators, spreading of weapons, instigated financial crisis raid, ISIS, Al Queda…long list huh, so much extravagant kindness.

    Eastern brutality that created the horrors of the Japanese Empire? Wasn’t it Eastern brutality under Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Il Sung/Jong Il/Jong Un that have slaughtered tens of millions of Asians?

    So Jp was to be punished. Will the white west accept a few nuke too for their many folds brutality?

    Mao is still getting tens if not hundreds of millions admirers. His portraits still proudly displayed everywhere. Why these “victims” mentioned by the West msm behaving that, worth some ponder. Is West msm really honest all these while? Im not from China, but i could smell rats here.

    Pol Pot
    Blamed Vietnam & Soviet expansionary. Did they invade other people?

    Kim Il Sung/Jong Il/Jong Un
    Who slaughter tens of millions Koreans? They were forced into ideology civil war instigated by US&UK, defending against the merciless US Allied ruthless onslaught, with bombs more than whole WW2 add together dropped in their small homeland. Everything move was bombed, every buildings flattened. How benevolent?

    Been denied a peace treaty by US with continuous existential threat for last 50yrs with strangling sanction, NK rebuild a country with a free health care that visiting WHO Secretary said, an envy to the US! Go search its cities pic & data, globalresearch. ca have many articles. Today their IQ ranked higher than most OECD. Their country is functioning well, very well.

    Who is the real evil? NK /US?

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/north-korea-versus-the-united-states-who-are-the-demons/28342

    Achievement of NK

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/north-korea-their-health-system-sucks-do-they-have-schools-and-hospitals-in-america-weve-got-medicare/5604293

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-social-and-economic-achievements-of-north-korea/5594234

    Is West whites producing any good to the world now? When whole world incl all whites ranked US as No.1 threat, that’s funny huh? The non-white has stopped war long ago, West whites still heaping havocs & wars when we typed.

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  • @denk
    Over the years I've reformed and salvaged quite a number of
    brainwashed whiteys in various forums, all very grateful for
    the deliverance.

    Im still working on 22p.

    P.s.

    Woz is improving, quite impressive/

    Who is woz?

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  • Some pro-China commenters have suggested that Western whites have produced no good, and all evil. Is that really true? Western imperialism introduced modern education, technology and political organization into regions that had been stagnant for centuries. Modern railroads, ports and automotive transport simply did not exist until Westerners came.

    Even today, the manufacturing industries of the East are products of the scientific discoveries of the West. I just don’t buy the idea that the white West has been the genesis of all evil, and nothing good. I think the non-West has benefited extravagantly from our accomplishments.

    Furthermore, wasn’t it Eastern brutality that created the horrors of the Japanese Empire? Wasn’t it Eastern brutality under Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Il Sung/Jong Il/Jong Un that have slaughtered tens of millions of Asians?

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    Some pro-China commenters have suggested that Western whites have produced no good, and all evil. Is that really true?
     
    Sure its not true. Examples of such comments?

    I just don’t buy the idea that the white West has been the genesis of all evil, and nothing good.
     
    Sure, the hardworking West people were real good in old time. Now what good do they give other than below extravagant benefits they bestowed kindly, even start cannibalizing among themselves now?

    I think the non-West has benefited extravagantly from our accomplishments.
     
    Eg? Slavery of blacks, Opium wars to China, Colonizing the world by violent, rampage of wars after wars, regimes change, color revolution, coup, installation of pro-west dictators, spreading of weapons, instigated financial crisis raid, ISIS, Al Queda...long list huh, so much extravagant kindness.

    Eastern brutality that created the horrors of the Japanese Empire? Wasn’t it Eastern brutality under Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Il Sung/Jong Il/Jong Un that have slaughtered tens of millions of Asians?
     
    So Jp was to be punished. Will the white west accept a few nuke too for their many folds brutality?

    Mao is still getting tens if not hundreds of millions admirers. His portraits still proudly displayed everywhere. Why these "victims" mentioned by the West msm behaving that, worth some ponder. Is West msm really honest all these while? Im not from China, but i could smell rats here.

    Pol Pot
    Blamed Vietnam & Soviet expansionary. Did they invade other people?

    Kim Il Sung/Jong Il/Jong Un
    Who slaughter tens of millions Koreans? They were forced into ideology civil war instigated by US&UK, defending against the merciless US Allied ruthless onslaught, with bombs more than whole WW2 add together dropped in their small homeland. Everything move was bombed, every buildings flattened. How benevolent?

    Been denied a peace treaty by US with continuous existential threat for last 50yrs with strangling sanction, NK rebuild a country with a free health care that visiting WHO Secretary said, an envy to the US! Go search its cities pic & data, globalresearch. ca have many articles. Today their IQ ranked higher than most OECD. Their country is functioning well, very well.

    Who is the real evil? NK /US?
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/north-korea-versus-the-united-states-who-are-the-demons/28342

    Achievement of NK
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/north-korea-their-health-system-sucks-do-they-have-schools-and-hospitals-in-america-weve-got-medicare/5604293

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-social-and-economic-achievements-of-north-korea/5594234

    Is West whites producing any good to the world now? When whole world incl all whites ranked US as No.1 threat, that's funny huh? The non-white has stopped war long ago, West whites still heaping havocs & wars when we typed.
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  • @Jaylon
    It is a good read until the last paragragh - what? Trying to have a pension plan model after US social security? Does he not know that system will soon be bankrupt? If he does that, that will be the end of Xi's printine reputation!

    China version, like its market economy that work like charm but not in West. A huge fund that can be invested in AIIB, BRI, etc., that will overshadow US funds currently heaping havock to the world financial market by speculation. Not all west policies are bad, its their greedy corrupted politicians that sell out their own people.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Canada’s Envy: Russia and China

    http://thesaker.is/canadas-envy-russia-and-china/

    Canada sinophobia generated from envy & fear.

    Repost from someone comment.

    Antonio on March 09, 2018  ·  at 7:34 pm UTC
    Top 10 reasons West has no chance against China!

    The crime record of the West against the rest of humanity is unseen in the known history of mankind. The estimate number of deaths ( 500 years) of non-white people is about ONE BILLION according some researchers. China is one of those countries suffered terribly. They called it 100 years of humiliation, 100 millions opium addicts, theft, invasion and genocide.
    Now to the topic. I am not Chinese and not any supporter of China either, only observer. There are my reasons, why West will never be able to defeat China.

    1. China as a culture and civilization is much older and mature then West.
    2. China is superior as far as concern wisdom and spirituality.
    3. The motto of China was/is”conquest by service”, while western motto was and is: conquest by force and plunder.
    4.The average Chinese is much polite, modest and humble then a average western, who is often arrogant, self glorifying and hedonist.
    5.China is a united nation and it was very difficult for Western spies and deceivers to create conflict and disorder or regime changes. A Gigantic United Country.
    6. Chinese are very hard working people with a strong family and social structure. Western people can not survive without alcohol and TVs.
    7.Chinese schools have a rigid discipline, respect to teacher, to old people and parents. Western Kinder gardens teaching children about gays, trans, and sex. In the entire 10-12 years of school you never hear any word about modesty, respect of parents, senior people, dignity, wisdom, faithfulness etc.
    8.China does not interfere in the affairs of other countries, they respect other cultures. Western world thing they own the planet and other nations should be thankful that they can live in this planet, which they consider a private property.
    9.Leaders of China does not consider themselves “Gods” , elites, or superior men. They consider themselves as fathers of nation, mothers of nation, they are part of nation, not “Gods” of nation.
    10. Now the most important one. An average Chinese (here includes Japan, Korea, Singapore, Malaysia etc) have an IQ of 105-110, it is much more then an average Western “superior proud white”. In any IQ test or math competition no “Superior western white”can be a match for “lower races” of far east. I think this is a punishment from God almighty. History will decide who are the real “superior ones”.

    Based on these 10 reason, West have no chance to stand, compete or win against China. West may defeat or control any nation in the planet, including Russia, but not China.

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  • It is a good read until the last paragragh – what? Trying to have a pension plan model after US social security? Does he not know that system will soon be bankrupt? If he does that, that will be the end of Xi’s printine reputation!

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    China version, like its market economy that work like charm but not in West. A huge fund that can be invested in AIIB, BRI, etc., that will overshadow US funds currently heaping havock to the world financial market by speculation. Not all west policies are bad, its their greedy corrupted politicians that sell out their own people.
    , @Godfree Roberts
    They want American-style SS portability and Chinese-style solvency. It's the portability that rich provinces are resisting: they want to hang onto the surpluses that the poor migrant workers are forced to leave in their care. Plus ca change...
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  • TT says:
    @George Orwell
    It’s actually kind of sad seeing how badly outmaneuvered the West is compared to China and Russia. Hard times are coming to America and the harvest of schaudenfreude is going to be pretty sweet.

    Indeed its sad to see how a highly prosperous West has plundered its own good fortune built by its forefathers, in waging endless atrocities war everywhere and hollow out themselves with greedy capitalism they cherished. Even Germany could not resist the obvious orchestrated destructive mass migration invasion.

    With so much wealth concentrating in 1% and having all their puppet governments controlled by capitalist, there isn’t any future for the majority of hardworking people but to slip further down the gutter.

    Since these zombies are entirely helpless to drain the swarm by themselves, it might be actually good that China & Russia help to collapse their evil empire fast. Like many had reckoned, perhaps an economic catastrophe is best outcome for US empire & West to rid their parasitic deep states for a fresh start without a devastating nuke war US empire is gloating the world into.

    Certainly the hardworking Europeans are capable to rebuild a prosperous Europe again in peaceful world after ill-conceived EU has disintegrated with US yoke removed.

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  • It’s actually kind of sad seeing how badly outmaneuvered the West is compared to China and Russia. Hard times are coming to America and the harvest of schaudenfreude is going to be pretty sweet.

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    Indeed its sad to see how a highly prosperous West has plundered its own good fortune built by its forefathers, in waging endless atrocities war everywhere and hollow out themselves with greedy capitalism they cherished. Even Germany could not resist the obvious orchestrated destructive mass migration invasion.

    With so much wealth concentrating in 1% and having all their puppet governments controlled by capitalist, there isn't any future for the majority of hardworking people but to slip further down the gutter.

    Since these zombies are entirely helpless to drain the swarm by themselves, it might be actually good that China & Russia help to collapse their evil empire fast. Like many had reckoned, perhaps an economic catastrophe is best outcome for US empire & West to rid their parasitic deep states for a fresh start without a devastating nuke war US empire is gloating the world into.

    Certainly the hardworking Europeans are capable to rebuild a prosperous Europe again in peaceful world after ill-conceived EU has disintegrated with US yoke removed.
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  • TT says:
    @luba
    TT,

    Please allow me to take the liberty to give you some tips on how to decipher Western MSM news/reports:

    - If most of the Western MSM heaps all sorts of praises on a leader of a US-unfriendly (perceived or real) foreign country, you can be sure that this leader fits the US ideology and strategic agenda, i.e. his/her policy will be very benenfitial to US establishment.

    Example: Mikhail Gorbachev, Boris Yeltsin (US' useful fool)

    - If most of the Western MSM comes out with a sh!t-storm and smearing campaign against a leader of a US-unfriendly (perceived or real) foreign country, you can be sure that this leader probably puts his/her country's interest more in the heart of his/her policy ahead of the interests of US establishment.

    Example: Putin, Xi

    So we'd see MSM & US government were all supporting Saddam when he went to war against Iran, the most hated enemy of US establishment; then CNN & Co turned 180 degree to condemn him as the butcher of Baghdad when Bush family started to invad Iraq.

    Both Xi and Bascher Assad at the begining of their term were regarded as "reformer" who'd bring hope and changes to their respective country by US State Department & MSM, and now they both are dictator/authoritarian in the eyes of MSM & USG.

    So all the praise you quoted from Western MSM about Zhu should be analysed and understood in this manner, if you ever want to get some true information from MSM. This is my personal reading experience of Westen media.


    Now back to Zhu Rongji. No doubt he very compete and one of the few top world leaders who really has a grasp of Western economic theoreishe. He is also extreme smart and knows when and how to put on some public stunt to polish his image. Still remeber his famous saying "prepare me 100 coffins."

    Yet both his left and right men Zhu Xiaohua, Vice Governor of People's Bank of China (China's Central Bank) and Chairman of Board Directors of China Everbright Group (one of the biggest financial groups in China), and Wang Xuebing, CEO of Bank of China, were sent to jail for corruption and neglecting of duty, which had caused billions of loss to the state-owned banks.

    His son, Zhu Yunlai who used to work at Credit Swiss First Boston as analyst went to work and became CEO of China International Capital Corporation Limited (CICC), the first joint venture investment bank in China. CICC monoplised basically all big SOE companies' IPO in US and HK stock markets in cooperate with JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs & Co. It is rumoured that his salary was as high as one billion RMB.

    His sister is now Vice President of Bank of China Holding HK.

    Zhu was typical mandarin/bureaucrat: competent, impatient and lack of empathy. That's why he had no qualm to force tens of millions of workers out of job overnight without any social net in place, selling their factories dirty cheap and destroying their lives. You have to know for those workers that the factories were not merely their working place but also their whole world: kindgarden service, schools, health service, etc.

    What I wrote in my previous post @201 is not some "unjust comment" but FACTS basing on the personal experience from friends and relatives who have been through the ordeal, about which no MSM (Western and Chinese alike) would want to do deep reports because that would taint the bright image of Deng's reform and scratch the shining image of capitalism.


    Btw, do you know why Zhu had to fight the most infamous corruption Yuan Hua Case? Thanks to Deng's white-cat-black-cat ideaology, people with connections, high ranking officials, heads of custom and police as well as army all went to make money , they effectively formed a smuggling ring in 2 to 3 year's time with a turnover of 50 billion RMB, tax aversion of 30 billion RMB.

    The rampage of corruption and hiking prices are the main reasons for students and ordinary citizens to street to protest in 1989. Deng is pragmatic but did not know how to run an economy.


    Chaiman Mao once said "Satellite goes up to the sky, red flag goes down to the dirt." That's what I would call a man with vision and strategic thinking.

    My view is always when west msm praise their enemies, it must be damn correct. When they smear them, its muz be damn suspicious. But you have better wisdom which i shall learn.

    Zhu Rongji was actually one of my idol…we are all fed with msm sewage, so in unz we can hear from horse mouth. Thks for sharing.

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  • @TT
    Mr Zhu Rongji certainly had a more impressive biography than Pres Xi JP. Is he really so bad, or its an unjust comment on such remarkable visionary China leader?

    Consider his so many accolades & achievements, single handledly kill off 1997 Asian Crisis raiders against West vultures pressure to devalue Yuan, restructured debts burden states banks & SoE, cutoff colossal PLA involvement in business, Justice Bao of anti-corruption...the most impressive Premier since Zhou Enlai.

    Deng praised Zhu RJ highly, "If China were to discover Zhu 10yrs earlier, China progress could have been much far ahead....". ...Deng, who noted that Zhu "has his own views, dares to make decisions, and knows economics."[1] In comparing Zhu to his peers when considering his appointment, Deng said, "The current leadership do not know economics... Zhu Rongji is the only one who understands economics."[11]

    The only China leader could charmed the West, giving unscripted English speech & playing erhu in US congress to standing ovation, and was praised by American journalists, politicians, and business leaders for his frankness, openness, energy, and technical background.

    During the Cultural Revolution Zhu was purged again. From 1970-1975 during his exile in the countryside Zhu worked as a manual laborer, raising pigs and cattle, carrying human waste, and planting rice.[3]

    Zhu was chosen to become China's fifth premier in 1998, largely due to his success in managing large macroeconomic projects.[5] During his term Zhu continued to focus on issues related to economic development. He generally favoured stable, sustainable development supported by robust macroeconomic control measures and a tight monetary policy. He continued to promote investment in China's industrial and agricultural sectors.[24]

    His reform of state-owned enterprises led to approximately 35% of their workforce, forty million workers, being laid off over five years.[14][27] Some of Zhu's reforms were reversed under the leadership of Hu Jintao, and other reforms he hoped would be addressed by the incoming administration were not implemented. Notably, state-owned enterprises were allowed to regrow and re-establish a dominant place in the Chinese economy, and large areas of the banking sector remained unregulated. Hu may have reversed the Chinese government's previous position and promoted state-owned enterprises in an effort to promote social stability.[27]
     

    Shortly after coming to office, in 1998, he required the People's Liberation Army to relinquish its involvement in business interests. Referring to his efforts to fight corruption, he once said, "I will prepare 100 coffins for the corrupt, and one for me, for I will die of fatigue".
     

    Zhu assisted Deng in regaining his prestige and authority by assisting Deng in organizing his 1992 Southern Inspection Tour.[8]
     

    Throughout Zhu's term as both vice-premier and premier, Li Peng was successful in blocking Zhu from introducing regulation or government oversight over China's power companies,[17] and they remained private monopolies essentially run by Li's family throughout Zhu's term of office.[18]

    Although he demonstrated a desire and ability to enact large, thorough legal and economic reforms, and political reforms aimed at making the Chinese government more efficient and transparent, Zhu made it clear that he did not support dramatic political change. When asked by Western journalists in 1990 whether he was China's Gorbachev, he responded "No, I am China's Zhu Rongji".[10]
     

    In 1951 he became the chairman of the Tsinghua Student Union.

    From 1952-1958 he worked in the State Planning Commission, where he worked as group head, deputy director, and deputy section chief.[4] In 1957, during the Hundred Flowers Campaign,[2] he criticized Mao Zedong's economic policies, saying that they promoted "irrational high growth". His comments led to him being subsequently identified as a "rightist" in 1958, for which he was persecuted, demoted,[1] disgraced, and thrown out of the Communist Party.[5] In the late 1950s his family was also persecuted for their pre-revolutionary status as wealthy landowners, and their family mansion was destroyed.[2]

    After his persecution as a rightist, Zhu was sent to work at a remote cadre school. In 1962, following the famine and industrial collapse caused by the Great Leap Forward,[6] Zhu was pardoned (but not politically rehabilitated), and was assigned to work as an engineer at the National Economic Bureau of the State Planning Commission. During the Cultural Revolution Zhu was purged again. From 1970-1975 he was sent for "re-education" to the "May Seventh Cadre School", a special farm for disgraced government workers and former Party members.[4] During his exile in the countryside Zhu worked as a manual laborer, raising pigs and cattle, carrying human waste, and planting rice.[3]

    Shortly after the death of Mao Zedong in 1976 Deng Xiaoping initiated economic and political reforms which led to Zhu's rehabilitation, and he returned to work in the government.[6] From 1976 to 1979 he worked as an engineer in the Ministry of Petroleum Industry, and served as the director of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences' Industrial Economic Bureau.[5] In 1978 he was formally rehabilitated and allowed to rejoin the Communist Party.[6] During the late 1970s Zhu's positions were relatively low-profile, but after Deng consolidated his power in the 1980s and the government became more meritocratic, Zhu was promoted to work in increasingly demanding positions. He had few connections in the army, the Party, or the bureaucracy, and was able to rise through the ranks of the government mostly through his own skills.[6] In 1979 he was reassigned to the State Economic Commission, in which he served as vice-minister from 1983-1987.[1]

     

    TT,

    Please allow me to take the liberty to give you some tips on how to decipher Western MSM news/reports:

    - If most of the Western MSM heaps all sorts of praises on a leader of a US-unfriendly (perceived or real) foreign country, you can be sure that this leader fits the US ideology and strategic agenda, i.e. his/her policy will be very benenfitial to US establishment.

    Example: Mikhail Gorbachev, Boris Yeltsin (US’ useful fool)

    - If most of the Western MSM comes out with a sh!t-storm and smearing campaign against a leader of a US-unfriendly (perceived or real) foreign country, you can be sure that this leader probably puts his/her country’s interest more in the heart of his/her policy ahead of the interests of US establishment.

    Example: Putin, Xi

    So we’d see MSM & US government were all supporting Saddam when he went to war against Iran, the most hated enemy of US establishment; then CNN & Co turned 180 degree to condemn him as the butcher of Baghdad when Bush family started to invad Iraq.

    Both Xi and Bascher Assad at the begining of their term were regarded as “reformer” who’d bring hope and changes to their respective country by US State Department & MSM, and now they both are dictator/authoritarian in the eyes of MSM & USG.

    So all the praise you quoted from Western MSM about Zhu should be analysed and understood in this manner, if you ever want to get some true information from MSM. This is my personal reading experience of Westen media.

    Now back to Zhu Rongji. No doubt he very compete and one of the few top world leaders who really has a grasp of Western economic theoreishe. He is also extreme smart and knows when and how to put on some public stunt to polish his image. Still remeber his famous saying “prepare me 100 coffins.”

    Yet both his left and right men Zhu Xiaohua, Vice Governor of People’s Bank of China (China’s Central Bank) and Chairman of Board Directors of China Everbright Group (one of the biggest financial groups in China), and Wang Xuebing, CEO of Bank of China, were sent to jail for corruption and neglecting of duty, which had caused billions of loss to the state-owned banks.

    His son, Zhu Yunlai who used to work at Credit Swiss First Boston as analyst went to work and became CEO of China International Capital Corporation Limited (CICC), the first joint venture investment bank in China. CICC monoplised basically all big SOE companies’ IPO in US and HK stock markets in cooperate with JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs & Co. It is rumoured that his salary was as high as one billion RMB.

    His sister is now Vice President of Bank of China Holding HK.

    Zhu was typical mandarin/bureaucrat: competent, impatient and lack of empathy. That’s why he had no qualm to force tens of millions of workers out of job overnight without any social net in place, selling their factories dirty cheap and destroying their lives. You have to know for those workers that the factories were not merely their working place but also their whole world: kindgarden service, schools, health service, etc.

    What I wrote in my previous post @201 is not some “unjust comment” but FACTS basing on the personal experience from friends and relatives who have been through the ordeal, about which no MSM (Western and Chinese alike) would want to do deep reports because that would taint the bright image of Deng’s reform and scratch the shining image of capitalism.

    Btw, do you know why Zhu had to fight the most infamous corruption Yuan Hua Case? Thanks to Deng’s white-cat-black-cat ideaology, people with connections, high ranking officials, heads of custom and police as well as army all went to make money , they effectively formed a smuggling ring in 2 to 3 year’s time with a turnover of 50 billion RMB, tax aversion of 30 billion RMB.

    The rampage of corruption and hiking prices are the main reasons for students and ordinary citizens to street to protest in 1989. Deng is pragmatic but did not know how to run an economy.

    Chaiman Mao once said “Satellite goes up to the sky, red flag goes down to the dirt.” That’s what I would call a man with vision and strategic thinking.

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    My view is always when west msm praise their enemies, it must be damn correct. When they smear them, its muz be damn suspicious. But you have better wisdom which i shall learn.

    Zhu Rongji was actually one of my idol...we are all fed with msm sewage, so in unz we can hear from horse mouth. Thks for sharing.
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  • TT says:
    @Anonymous
    You're complaining that we're calling you out for posting rubbish disguised as facts? I think this might be the wrong site for you.

    Who are these shameless hypocrite liar “we” that you represent? Don’t snipe from darkness like coward. Everyone is entitled to their opnion, this is different from shameless lies that you & your gangs are doing while trying to smear others.

    I didn’t want to debate on this, but if you must, Falklands is so closed to Agentina and thousands of miles away from UK, how could it belong to UK historically other than by Anglo historical viking behavior, every land it touched, blood flow, fire burned, men they killed, women they raped, children they slaved, land they stole & colonized. These same DNA traits are still blatant manifested in ME & Africa till this moment while i typed. Name one country Anglosaxon didn’t commit atrocity when they touch, America, Africa, India, Asia, Oz, Nz,….

    Agentina if it could, would certainly took back their stolen land, like China did for HK, with Diaoyu Island awaiting. They lost the war bcos of UK got US to pressure France to render their anti-ship missiles useless. Im not advocating for wars, but UK should accept its useless to continue clinging to their dying empire that harm them more.

    And stop your hypocrisy talking about Falkland vote, you are no different from Bush-Blair’s Iraq war lying, stirring Balkans atrocity, still pressurizing Serbs to recognize Albanians secession while condemning Crimea overwhelming wish to rejoin their motherland, Russia.

    There are tons of blatant B. S. from your kins, yet you happily gobbled. Once it touches your ancestors atrocities shameless acts, you scream “shameless liar”. You sound like Nikki.

    Deng did a great job by showing Margaret Thatcher his middle finger for her wet dream of perpetual governing of HK. And Mao is damn correct, power emerged from gun barrels. The jackals only understand one thing, brute force. Putin juz told Yankees, F.O. my button is even bigger.

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  • @Anonymous
    I never said any of that. Like Godfree Roberts understood, I was merely saying that comparing government models is of very limited utility since what needs to be evaluated is the inseparable whole of the populace:government relationship, which is almost always unique and incomparable (Korea being a rare exception).

    Thanks for the clarification, perhaps we could defeat those who have a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialsim, and constrained by the Zero-sum Cold War mentality one day.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Wong

    Why even entertain the comparison?
     
    Then how can the West is so hostile to China despite China supports the posh living standard of the West like in the old days colonialism? Are you saying the Western civilization is flawed; its foundation is zero-sum, greed and brutality? And it sees nothing wrong the wrongs it has done to the world?

    You should know the whole world’s ills are created by the Eurocentrism which is a comparison between a fabricated sane West to an imaginary and evil inquisition mind constructed Orientals, then the unscrupulous Westerners use it as moral authority to commit their war crimes, crimes against humanity and peace with impunity on the moral high ground in the last few hundreds of years and counting.

    I never said any of that. Like Godfree Roberts understood, I was merely saying that comparing government models is of very limited utility since what needs to be evaluated is the inseparable whole of the populace:government relationship, which is almost always unique and incomparable (Korea being a rare exception).

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    Thanks for the clarification, perhaps we could defeat those who have a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialsim, and constrained by the Zero-sum Cold War mentality one day.
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  • @TT
    Juz a way to needle back our dear friend 22p. He could understand, but some smart alec couldn't & get so nosy, like "Bliss" & you.

    You’re complaining that we’re calling you out for posting rubbish disguised as facts? I think this might be the wrong site for you.

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    Who are these shameless hypocrite liar "we" that you represent? Don't snipe from darkness like coward. Everyone is entitled to their opnion, this is different from shameless lies that you & your gangs are doing while trying to smear others.

    I didn't want to debate on this, but if you must, Falklands is so closed to Agentina and thousands of miles away from UK, how could it belong to UK historically other than by Anglo historical viking behavior, every land it touched, blood flow, fire burned, men they killed, women they raped, children they slaved, land they stole & colonized. These same DNA traits are still blatant manifested in ME & Africa till this moment while i typed. Name one country Anglosaxon didn't commit atrocity when they touch, America, Africa, India, Asia, Oz, Nz,....

    Agentina if it could, would certainly took back their stolen land, like China did for HK, with Diaoyu Island awaiting. They lost the war bcos of UK got US to pressure France to render their anti-ship missiles useless. Im not advocating for wars, but UK should accept its useless to continue clinging to their dying empire that harm them more.

    And stop your hypocrisy talking about Falkland vote, you are no different from Bush-Blair's Iraq war lying, stirring Balkans atrocity, still pressurizing Serbs to recognize Albanians secession while condemning Crimea overwhelming wish to rejoin their motherland, Russia.

    There are tons of blatant B. S. from your kins, yet you happily gobbled. Once it touches your ancestors atrocities shameless acts, you scream "shameless liar". You sound like Nikki.

    Deng did a great job by showing Margaret Thatcher his middle finger for her wet dream of perpetual governing of HK. And Mao is damn correct, power emerged from gun barrels. The jackals only understand one thing, brute force. Putin juz told Yankees, F.O. my button is even bigger.
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  • @22pp22
    I have had enough fun now.

    I think you need to take some blood pressure medication.

    Beta blockers are out of the question as they were developed entirely by Westerners. A Chinese chemist called Kevin Ng played a major role in the development of ACE inhibitors, but most of the other key figures were White. Are you allowed to take those?

    White washing and glossing over war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace is fun? English said they only exiled unrepentant psychopathic convicts, it seems they told the truth.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    I've met a few, too. They really stick in your memory. You wish you could be more like them but then, as you walk away...naaaah, next lifetime.

    An anecdote you might enjoy: Dambisa Moyo, the Oxford foreign aid expert, was in Beijing last year giving a paper at an aid conference when she got a call from someone offering to pick her up and take her to meet an official who had read her book, Dead Aid. She was whisked off to Zhongnanhai and straight into Xi's office.

    They spent half an hour together swapping stories. "He just wanted to know what works," she said. "It could be anything. He didn't care at all about ideology. He was totally focused on pragmatic solutions to Africa's problems".

    He was totally focused on pragmatic solutions to Africa’s problems”.

    That’s incredible. It’s almost as if Chinese officials have seen Steve Sailer’s graph of African population explosion and thought, “Hey, maybe we outta do something about this?”, and then decided to take on projects that could help lead to better infrastructure and quality of life for Africans.

    OTOH, America continues to bomb third world countries and send wave after wave of African and ME migrants packing to Europe. The invade the world, invite the world strategy.. A few months ago, several US troops were killed in an ambush in Niger while on some secret mission or something.. But why in the hell are we at war in Niger? Why can’t the US divert their time, resources, and insane military budget towards something more constructive?

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  • @22pp22
    Actually, there is a great deal less suffering today than there has been in the past.

    Thirteenth century. Mongols slaughter 1/6 of the planet.

    Seventeenth century - Fall of the Ming, Thirty Years War, Time of Troubles - in terms of the numbers killed relative to population far worse than anything in the past century. Nothing to do with colonialism.

    Nineteenth Century. The great bloodbath of the nineteenth century was the Taiping Rebellion. That was Chinese on Chinese. The worst thing that happened on European soil was the French occupation of Spain and the Irish Famine.

    Hundreds of millions of murders? There weren't hundreds of millions of Maori or Aborigines. Wandering through Rotorua or Cairns, there still seem to be quite a few of them around. If you are referring to the New World, then you do have a point. The exploitation of the silver mines or Potosi was brutal and the Trail of Tears is a stain on our history. However, it was primarily smallpox and other Old World diseases that wiped out the locals. If Chinese had reached the New World First (as Gavin Menzies claims), the Chinese would have infected the Red Indians with influenza and measles in the same way that we did.

    In 1900, Germany did more trade with Luxembourg than it did with its entire colonial empire. Switzerland and Sweden were never colonial powers and yet they are stinking rich. Many European countries still run massive trade surpluses, per capita far more so than China.

    The Cathedrals of the West were built when we were under assault from Islam and were not in a position to colonise anyone.

    This idea that the Western World success was built on colonialism is silly. The West was able to subjugate other people because it had first become wealthy, not the other way round. The Japanese realised this and copied the West in the Meiji Era. They then joined in the subjugation of other people with gusto.

    I hope I won't have to kowtow in this new Utopia.

    Funny, your denials and revisionist narrative remind me the Japs. Your remorselessness about crimes against humanity, crimes against peace, and war crimes is unique to the unrepentant war criminal Japanese; no one is comparable to the morally defunct war criminal Japs, not even the gut eating ISIS. It seems you have proven me wrong, the West and Muslim have mingled together since the inception of their religions, they bound to have learnt from each other.

    Europe was dirt poor for more than a thousand years, it was a superstitious and cult serfdom that 99.99% of the people was illiterate and they used wood to farm; small population of the White is the result of that long period of backwardness; but not until Columbus led banditry plundering and carrying out genocide in Americas, and followed by barbaric colonialism thru barbaric wars, illicit drugs like Opium, slavery, stealing, robbing, looting, plundering, murdering, torturing, exploiting, polluting, culture genocide, ‘pious’ fanaticism, unmatchable greed and extreme brutality around the world. The sudden rich of the West in the 18th century cannot be logically explained even by Darwin’s Evolution theory other than thru the unscrupulous means of the evil Western colonialism.

    Chinese has medical means to counter smallpox and other diseases before 18th century; unlike the West, bloodletting and praying to the God were the only means to fight illness. Black Death wiped out half of the White was due to their backwardness in medicine before 19th century. Besides Zheng He visited seven seas with hundreds of 3000 tons ships (Santa Maria was 108 tons, Mayflower was 180 tons) for culture exchanges. Chinese did not colonize the places they visited with organized violence and atrocities like the West, or brought any diseases to wipe out the local population like the West. The West could follow Zheng He’s footstep to carry out a peaceful mutual benefit interaction mission, then you do not have to white wash and gloss over the crimes committed by the West so stressfully with ridiculous obfuscation that makes people think you are psychopathic.

    Anyhow what you proud of is a deep nostalgia of the British Empire of the past, the West’s trade volume of the past compares in pale with the current situation where China is the largest trading nation in the world and China is the largest trading partner of nearly all nations in the world. China returns to its historical position in the world like its economy is the combination EU and USA, or 50 times of Japan is only a natural course because of its size, established civilization and innovative heritage, not thru harmful and unscrupulous means adopted by the West.

    I feel for the anxiety of the White Aussie in the remote corner in a sea of Asians, particular their harmful behaviour against others during their brutal imperialistic colonial era and a long history of violence between themselves and with the Muslim, the past does not sit well with them. The Aussie worries chickens coming home to roost due to their ugly past is only natural.

    But Chinese is not the West; Chinese believes five principles of peaceful coexistence, they treat every nation large and small as equal with respect; making peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit the trend of our times is the Chinese goal. Letting go the nostalgia of the West imperial colonial past is the first step to join the new Utopia.

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  • @Anonymous
    Why even entertain the comparison? Chinese exhibit qualitatively different behavior to other races, which means it's futile to try and judge the Chinese government since there are no comparable reference points. They really are very very different to Russians.

    Good article though. I enjoyed it immensely.

    Why even entertain the comparison?

    Then how can the West is so hostile to China despite China supports the posh living standard of the West like in the old days colonialism? Are you saying the Western civilization is flawed; its foundation is zero-sum, greed and brutality? And it sees nothing wrong the wrongs it has done to the world?

    You should know the whole world’s ills are created by the Eurocentrism which is a comparison between a fabricated sane West to an imaginary and evil inquisition mind constructed Orientals, then the unscrupulous Westerners use it as moral authority to commit their war crimes, crimes against humanity and peace with impunity on the moral high ground in the last few hundreds of years and counting.

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    I never said any of that. Like Godfree Roberts understood, I was merely saying that comparing government models is of very limited utility since what needs to be evaluated is the inseparable whole of the populace:government relationship, which is almost always unique and incomparable (Korea being a rare exception).
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  • @Anonymous
    Falkland Islands are illegally occupied? >99% voted to stay with Britain in a recent free and fair referendum.

    Perhaps the rest of your post is nonsense too?

    How many Chagosians voted for themselves to be exiled to some slums 3000 miles away ?

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  • @Godfree Roberts
    I should have been more explicit: the university refused to graduate any of that year's intake of sent down youths because they were not prepared. They all got certificates of completion. I suspect there was a revenge motive, after the Cultural Revolution scared the faculty shitless.

    No doubt Xi's certificate has been upgraded since then.

    That is intereresting.

    Tonight I was randomly meeting a 20 y.o. tourist from PRC, he wanted a light for his cigarette. For some reasons (one apparently that he failed the state university exam. in China, which he says is one chance only), he wants to go to university in England, to study economics. I do not know why, but not discouraging him from it .

    Very smart for his age re. history and politics, although as he was saying, not much good at maths and programming, so forget the cliches.

    I want to be hospitable to travellers, so talk was touching on Mao. Deng (there, mainly on his chain-smoking), and Xi.

    I was raising the point that Deng seemed to have acted out of rage against his time in exile, or ‘reform through labour’, my acquaintance agreed.

    Neither chain smokers, we were agreeing Deng for that only.

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  • @denk
    Was that in the Guardian ?

    Forgotten. But your name denk was there,…a long time Crusader for truth.

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  • @Anonymous
    Falkland Islands are illegally occupied? >99% voted to stay with Britain in a recent free and fair referendum.

    Perhaps the rest of your post is nonsense too?

    Juz a way to needle back our dear friend 22p. He could understand, but some smart alec couldn’t & get so nosy, like “Bliss” & you.

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    You're complaining that we're calling you out for posting rubbish disguised as facts? I think this might be the wrong site for you.
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  • @22pp22
    Ancient China is a fascinating civilization.

    But Joseph Needham? Come on! The man was caught in one lie after another. He was delusional. He said that Aztec culture was clearly inspired by China.

    An no Chinese people did not split the atom or invent the aeroplane. Westerners did.

    Where did you get your information about Professor Needham?

    I’m pretty familiar with his bio, his scientific work and his Sinological output and have never heard anything like that about him.

    I will be spending time next month with someone who knew him personally and will be happy to factcheck anything of substance.

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  • @Che Guava
    Thank you, God-free.

    Polite and informative reply, you likely are correct about his failure at engineering. Just a certificate of completion, not a degree. Not worth checking, in any case.

    Wanted to check your other point, so asking my good friend and neighbour from PRC which version of the other part he is believing, was Xi arrested and sent back, or kindly uncle and aunt to advising the young Xi to go back?

    My friend had no hesitation to say that the former is generally believed, and the latter most unlikely.

    God-free, I am agreeing about much you say about The Great Helmsman, but you go too far to excuse things.

    Personally, I think it is a shame that Deng ever assumed the 'Proletarian Mandate of Heaven', I like parts of his style, love of cigarettes, but his programme was revenge for his exile.

    So, as you would know, rural school and health systems destroyed, in a very narrow frame of time. The Party princelings, like earlier versions of Xi, established in power.

    You can not having it both ways, but you are trying to propagandise both. Anybody with reason can see.

    I should have been more explicit: the university refused to graduate any of that year’s intake of sent down youths because they were not prepared. They all got certificates of completion. I suspect there was a revenge motive, after the Cultural Revolution scared the faculty shitless.

    No doubt Xi’s certificate has been upgraded since then.

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    That is intereresting.

    Tonight I was randomly meeting a 20 y.o. tourist from PRC, he wanted a light for his cigarette. For some reasons (one apparently that he failed the state university exam. in China, which he says is one chance only), he wants to go to university in England, to study economics. I do not know why, but not discouraging him from it .

    Very smart for his age re. history and politics, although as he was saying, not much good at maths and programming, so forget the cliches.

    I want to be hospitable to travellers, so talk was touching on Mao. Deng (there, mainly on his chain-smoking), and Xi.

    I was raising the point that Deng seemed to have acted out of rage against his time in exile, or 'reform through labour', my acquaintance agreed.

    Neither chain smokers, we were agreeing Deng for that only.
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  • @robt
    - Works too hard, not caring to enjoy personal recreation time.
    - Disappointed he is not quite perfect.
    - Too much of a perfectionist, which causes excessive demands on his subordinates.
    - Too devoted to the people rather than caring about his own situation.
    - Too busy to adequately pay attention to his own welfare.
    - And yes, sometimes too abrupt because he wants to squeeze so much accomplishment into so little time.

    - Oh, sorry, that might have been the job interview scene from 'Trainspotting'.
    Seriously, though, some people are just born to be really serious and all business all the time. When you meet one, you know it; it's overwhelming. The guy with all the instant answers all the time, never missing a beat. And it makes you feel really small and wish you could think big.
    I worked for a couple of people like that.

    I’ve met a few, too. They really stick in your memory. You wish you could be more like them but then, as you walk away…naaaah, next lifetime.

    An anecdote you might enjoy: Dambisa Moyo, the Oxford foreign aid expert, was in Beijing last year giving a paper at an aid conference when she got a call from someone offering to pick her up and take her to meet an official who had read her book, Dead Aid. She was whisked off to Zhongnanhai and straight into Xi’s office.

    They spent half an hour together swapping stories. “He just wanted to know what works,” she said. “It could be anything. He didn’t care at all about ideology. He was totally focused on pragmatic solutions to Africa’s problems”.

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    He was totally focused on pragmatic solutions to Africa’s problems”.
     
    That's incredible. It's almost as if Chinese officials have seen Steve Sailer's graph of African population explosion and thought, "Hey, maybe we outta do something about this?", and then decided to take on projects that could help lead to better infrastructure and quality of life for Africans.

    OTOH, America continues to bomb third world countries and send wave after wave of African and ME migrants packing to Europe. The invade the world, invite the world strategy.. A few months ago, several US troops were killed in an ambush in Niger while on some secret mission or something.. But why in the hell are we at war in Niger? Why can't the US divert their time, resources, and insane military budget towards something more constructive?

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  • Quite agree. It’s pretty futile to compare governments abstracted from the societies from which they arose.

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  • @Godfree Roberts
    "China, much like Russia, has failed to make the needed institutional changes that ensure good rule over the long term."??

    They've only been in business for 70 years and already they're beating the pants off everyone else, despite 25 years of vicious embargo. And, unlike America's government, they've never lost the trust of the people.

    When he steps down in 2027, every Chinese official will have been recruited by, and served entirely under, Xi. That's a pretty good indicator of what we can expect.

    Why even entertain the comparison? Chinese exhibit qualitatively different behavior to other races, which means it’s futile to try and judge the Chinese government since there are no comparable reference points. They really are very very different to Russians.

    Good article though. I enjoyed it immensely.

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    Why even entertain the comparison?
     
    Then how can the West is so hostile to China despite China supports the posh living standard of the West like in the old days colonialism? Are you saying the Western civilization is flawed; its foundation is zero-sum, greed and brutality? And it sees nothing wrong the wrongs it has done to the world?

    You should know the whole world’s ills are created by the Eurocentrism which is a comparison between a fabricated sane West to an imaginary and evil inquisition mind constructed Orientals, then the unscrupulous Westerners use it as moral authority to commit their war crimes, crimes against humanity and peace with impunity on the moral high ground in the last few hundreds of years and counting.

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  • @TT
    22pp,

    Actually what make you so dislike of Chinese? With only 0.4% of UK population, do they really make your eyes so sore?

    Have Chinese ever send gunboats to your mother land to
    - invade your country
    - force you to trade
    - buy your goods with opium
    - force your kins to smoke opium
    - massacre your kins, rape your women
    - grab any of your islands
    - loot & burn down your Windsor or Buckingham palace
    - illegal enter
    - burden your social welfare as refugees
    - not contributing to economy
    - increase crime rates
    - monopolized any sector
    - terrorist acts
    - rowdy & noisy everywhere
    - instigating dissidents for subversion
    - actively converting you to communism or Chinese religion
    - broadcasting anti-UK propaganda everywhere like BBC, even right at your door steps
    - threaten to send its aircraft carrier to your straits for FON

    Talk about occupying SCS islands that China has historical proof (1800 Britiana Maps still showing its China territory), UK is still illegally occupying 1.7M sqKm of territories faraway from its country:

    The fourteen territories are Anguilla, Bermuda, the British Antarctic Territory, the British Indian Ocean Territory, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, the Turks and Caicos Islands, the Pitcairn Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands, and the Sovereign Base Areas on Cyprus.[79]

    Falkland Islands are illegally occupied? >99% voted to stay with Britain in a recent free and fair referendum.

    Perhaps the rest of your post is nonsense too?

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    Juz a way to needle back our dear friend 22p. He could understand, but some smart alec couldn't & get so nosy, like "Bliss" & you.
    , @denk
    How many Chagosians voted for themselves to be exiled to some slums 3000 miles away ?
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  • @Daniel Chieh
    He will experience the future, one way or another. Slamming words on the keyboard won't change anything. In a way, its perhaps particularly just given his basically evil attitude that he gets to suffer it far more than someone who is more enlightened. He chose suffering, and in that, there is much karma.

    In the end, selfishness and evil becomes its own punishment.

    Isn’t slamming words into a keyboard what we are all doing on this forum?

    None of us knows what the future will bring.

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  • @kauchai
    " An no Chinese people did not split the atom or invent the aeroplane."

    I doubt the chinese will bring themselves to develop a weapon of mass destruction when they stopped at just using gunpowder to make fireworks. Do chinese have to invent everything for the human race?

    And unlike you, Needham backed up his assertions about chinese inventions with cold hard facts.

    I have had enough fun now.

    I think you need to take some blood pressure medication.

    Beta blockers are out of the question as they were developed entirely by Westerners. A Chinese chemist called Kevin Ng played a major role in the development of ACE inhibitors, but most of the other key figures were White. Are you allowed to take those?

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    White washing and glossing over war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace is fun? English said they only exiled unrepentant psychopathic convicts, it seems they told the truth.
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  • TT says:
    @luba
    Premier Li Keqiang is a graduate of Economics from Beida (Beijing University aka China's Harvard) , center of neoliberal. He's a follower of American neoliberal IMHO. The neoliberal economic policy proves to be disatrous for ordinary people while beneficial to the rich-and-richer few.

    His attempt to reform of finance brings quite some fluctuation into the stock resulting some huge financial scandals. I agree with you that the reation of China's government about 2015 stockmarket meltdown was stupid/suspicious. Now CEOs and managers of some Chinese financial groups and funds are now under investigations and some top officials of the supervision board of China's stock markets are also arrested for corruption. (One of those under investigation is the husband of Deng's granddaughter.)

    His proposal for "financial innovation" ends up with tons of online usury loans to the young people, esp students at universities. Some of the scams have real interest rates as high as 50%. There are some young students who can't pay back the loans and can't bear the high pressure from the loan sharks committed suicide. Big problem for social stability.

    His push of PPP, euphemism for privatisation, of public services and asset-rich SOEs are not popular with average Chinese who have seen what happened in USSR and/or experienced in China under Zhu Rongji.

    Zhu Rongji is a darling in Western and among China's nouveau riche because he offered them the super chances to make huge amount of money in China and to steal the public assets to become millionaire overnight.

    He sold the state-owned enterprises (SOE) at fire-fight price, which enriched the well-connected ones and opened the gate to the rampage of corruptions that spread to all levels of governments, even to the army, and still saddles the society. He ruthlessly closed hundres of thousands of SOEs no matter wheather they were in healthy economic status or not and forced tens of millions of workers out of job without social net in place. Womens out of job from the Northeast China went to become prostitutes to support their families. Some out-of-job workers' could not afford to have meat once in a month. In some extrem cases the whole family committed suicide by jumping off the top of the building.

    His policy totally destructed the industry of Northeast of China, where used to be the industry base for China, and it yet recovers. The traumatic psychological shock is still haunting the ordinary workers, their families as well the local society.

    Zhu is obviously very competent but equally ruthless. Millions of workers whose lives and famlies were ruined by him will never forget nor forgive him.

    Mr Zhu Rongji certainly had a more impressive biography than Pres Xi JP. Is he really so bad, or its an unjust comment on such remarkable visionary China leader?

    Consider his so many accolades & achievements, single handledly kill off 1997 Asian Crisis raiders against West vultures pressure to devalue Yuan, restructured debts burden states banks & SoE, cutoff colossal PLA involvement in business, Justice Bao of anti-corruption…the most impressive Premier since Zhou Enlai.

    Deng praised Zhu RJ highly, “If China were to discover Zhu 10yrs earlier, China progress could have been much far ahead….”. …Deng, who noted that Zhu “has his own views, dares to make decisions, and knows economics.”[1] In comparing Zhu to his peers when considering his appointment, Deng said, “The current leadership do not know economics… Zhu Rongji is the only one who understands economics.”[11]

    The only China leader could charmed the West, giving unscripted English speech & playing erhu in US congress to standing ovation, and was praised by American journalists, politicians, and business leaders for his frankness, openness, energy, and technical background.

    During the Cultural Revolution Zhu was purged again. From 1970-1975 during his exile in the countryside Zhu worked as a manual laborer, raising pigs and cattle, carrying human waste, and planting rice.[3]

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    Zhu was chosen to become China’s fifth premier in 1998, largely due to his success in managing large macroeconomic projects.[5] During his term Zhu continued to focus on issues related to economic development. He generally favoured stable, sustainable development supported by robust macroeconomic control measures and a tight monetary policy. He continued to promote investment in China’s industrial and agricultural sectors.[24]

    His reform of state-owned enterprises led to approximately 35% of their workforce, forty million workers, being laid off over five years.[14][27] Some of Zhu’s reforms were reversed under the leadership of Hu Jintao, and other reforms he hoped would be addressed by the incoming administration were not implemented. Notably, state-owned enterprises were allowed to regrow and re-establish a dominant place in the Chinese economy, and large areas of the banking sector remained unregulated. Hu may have reversed the Chinese government’s previous position and promoted state-owned enterprises in an effort to promote social stability.[27]

    Shortly after coming to office, in 1998, he required the People’s Liberation Army to relinquish its involvement in business interests. Referring to his efforts to fight corruption, he once said, “I will prepare 100 coffins for the corrupt, and one for me, for I will die of fatigue”.

    Zhu assisted Deng in regaining his prestige and authority by assisting Deng in organizing his 1992 Southern Inspection Tour.[8]

    Throughout Zhu’s term as both vice-premier and premier, Li Peng was successful in blocking Zhu from introducing regulation or government oversight over China’s power companies,[17] and they remained private monopolies essentially run by Li’s family throughout Zhu’s term of office.[18]

    Although he demonstrated a desire and ability to enact large, thorough legal and economic reforms, and political reforms aimed at making the Chinese government more efficient and transparent, Zhu made it clear that he did not support dramatic political change. When asked by Western journalists in 1990 whether he was China’s Gorbachev, he responded “No, I am China’s Zhu Rongji”.[10]

    In 1951 he became the chairman of the Tsinghua Student Union.

    From 1952-1958 he worked in the State Planning Commission, where he worked as group head, deputy director, and deputy section chief.[4] In 1957, during the Hundred Flowers Campaign,[2] he criticized Mao Zedong’s economic policies, saying that they promoted “irrational high growth”. His comments led to him being subsequently identified as a “rightist” in 1958, for which he was persecuted, demoted,[1] disgraced, and thrown out of the Communist Party.[5] In the late 1950s his family was also persecuted for their pre-revolutionary status as wealthy landowners, and their family mansion was destroyed.[2]

    After his persecution as a rightist, Zhu was sent to work at a remote cadre school. In 1962, following the famine and industrial collapse caused by the Great Leap Forward,[6] Zhu was pardoned (but not politically rehabilitated), and was assigned to work as an engineer at the National Economic Bureau of the State Planning Commission. During the Cultural Revolution Zhu was purged again. From 1970-1975 he was sent for “re-education” to the “May Seventh Cadre School”, a special farm for disgraced government workers and former Party members.[4] During his exile in the countryside Zhu worked as a manual laborer, raising pigs and cattle, carrying human waste, and planting rice.[3]

    Shortly after the death of Mao Zedong in 1976 Deng Xiaoping initiated economic and political reforms which led to Zhu’s rehabilitation, and he returned to work in the government.[6] From 1976 to 1979 he worked as an engineer in the Ministry of Petroleum Industry, and served as the director of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences’ Industrial Economic Bureau.[5] In 1978 he was formally rehabilitated and allowed to rejoin the Communist Party.[6] During the late 1970s Zhu’s positions were relatively low-profile, but after Deng consolidated his power in the 1980s and the government became more meritocratic, Zhu was promoted to work in increasingly demanding positions. He had few connections in the army, the Party, or the bureaucracy, and was able to rise through the ranks of the government mostly through his own skills.[6] In 1979 he was reassigned to the State Economic Commission, in which he served as vice-minister from 1983-1987.[1]

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    TT,

    Please allow me to take the liberty to give you some tips on how to decipher Western MSM news/reports:

    - If most of the Western MSM heaps all sorts of praises on a leader of a US-unfriendly (perceived or real) foreign country, you can be sure that this leader fits the US ideology and strategic agenda, i.e. his/her policy will be very benenfitial to US establishment.

    Example: Mikhail Gorbachev, Boris Yeltsin (US' useful fool)

    - If most of the Western MSM comes out with a sh!t-storm and smearing campaign against a leader of a US-unfriendly (perceived or real) foreign country, you can be sure that this leader probably puts his/her country's interest more in the heart of his/her policy ahead of the interests of US establishment.

    Example: Putin, Xi

    So we'd see MSM & US government were all supporting Saddam when he went to war against Iran, the most hated enemy of US establishment; then CNN & Co turned 180 degree to condemn him as the butcher of Baghdad when Bush family started to invad Iraq.

    Both Xi and Bascher Assad at the begining of their term were regarded as "reformer" who'd bring hope and changes to their respective country by US State Department & MSM, and now they both are dictator/authoritarian in the eyes of MSM & USG.

    So all the praise you quoted from Western MSM about Zhu should be analysed and understood in this manner, if you ever want to get some true information from MSM. This is my personal reading experience of Westen media.


    Now back to Zhu Rongji. No doubt he very compete and one of the few top world leaders who really has a grasp of Western economic theoreishe. He is also extreme smart and knows when and how to put on some public stunt to polish his image. Still remeber his famous saying "prepare me 100 coffins."

    Yet both his left and right men Zhu Xiaohua, Vice Governor of People's Bank of China (China's Central Bank) and Chairman of Board Directors of China Everbright Group (one of the biggest financial groups in China), and Wang Xuebing, CEO of Bank of China, were sent to jail for corruption and neglecting of duty, which had caused billions of loss to the state-owned banks.

    His son, Zhu Yunlai who used to work at Credit Swiss First Boston as analyst went to work and became CEO of China International Capital Corporation Limited (CICC), the first joint venture investment bank in China. CICC monoplised basically all big SOE companies' IPO in US and HK stock markets in cooperate with JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs & Co. It is rumoured that his salary was as high as one billion RMB.

    His sister is now Vice President of Bank of China Holding HK.

    Zhu was typical mandarin/bureaucrat: competent, impatient and lack of empathy. That's why he had no qualm to force tens of millions of workers out of job overnight without any social net in place, selling their factories dirty cheap and destroying their lives. You have to know for those workers that the factories were not merely their working place but also their whole world: kindgarden service, schools, health service, etc.

    What I wrote in my previous post @201 is not some "unjust comment" but FACTS basing on the personal experience from friends and relatives who have been through the ordeal, about which no MSM (Western and Chinese alike) would want to do deep reports because that would taint the bright image of Deng's reform and scratch the shining image of capitalism.


    Btw, do you know why Zhu had to fight the most infamous corruption Yuan Hua Case? Thanks to Deng's white-cat-black-cat ideaology, people with connections, high ranking officials, heads of custom and police as well as army all went to make money , they effectively formed a smuggling ring in 2 to 3 year's time with a turnover of 50 billion RMB, tax aversion of 30 billion RMB.

    The rampage of corruption and hiking prices are the main reasons for students and ordinary citizens to street to protest in 1989. Deng is pragmatic but did not know how to run an economy.


    Chaiman Mao once said "Satellite goes up to the sky, red flag goes down to the dirt." That's what I would call a man with vision and strategic thinking.

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  • @22pp22
    Ancient China is a fascinating civilization.

    But Joseph Needham? Come on! The man was caught in one lie after another. He was delusional. He said that Aztec culture was clearly inspired by China.

    An no Chinese people did not split the atom or invent the aeroplane. Westerners did.

    ” An no Chinese people did not split the atom or invent the aeroplane.”

    I doubt the chinese will bring themselves to develop a weapon of mass destruction when they stopped at just using gunpowder to make fireworks. Do chinese have to invent everything for the human race?

    And unlike you, Needham backed up his assertions about chinese inventions with cold hard facts.

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    I have had enough fun now.

    I think you need to take some blood pressure medication.

    Beta blockers are out of the question as they were developed entirely by Westerners. A Chinese chemist called Kevin Ng played a major role in the development of ACE inhibitors, but most of the other key figures were White. Are you allowed to take those?
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  • @22pp22
    I have forgiven the Mongols. Now I forgive you for you highly intemperate outburst. You say:

    Maybe you would laugh and encourage your colonial masters when your daughters, wife and other female friends were raped and sodomized and then have iron rods and branches stuffed into their vaginas and rectums. I bet you will be the first in line to patronize them when they are turned into comfort women. You would cheer to the high heavens when pregnant women’s bellies are slit open and their fetuses thrown into the air for bayonet practice, won’t you?

    You certainly have a vivid imagination. I really wouldn't laugh if I saw any of those things. I am not like you.

    I forgive you for your inconsiderate and ill-mannered take about colonialism that brought so much misery, pain, loss, dislocation, etc. It has been a 500-year old enterprise that are still being felt and practiced all over the world today. This is especially so in the middle-east, africa and latin america.

    My vivid imagination comes from Daniel Barenblatt’s A PLAGUE UPON HUMANITY – The Secret Genocide of Axis Japan’s Germ Warfare Operation (Harper-Collins). If reading is hard on you, please go visit the UNIT 731 museum in Harbin China and do not forget to drop by the Nanjing Massacre Memorial.

    By the way, the mongols are not chinese.

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  • @TT
    Denk is a Crusader of FukusIndia lies, nothing more. One day he might get a honary citizenship awarded by Xi for his tiresome work since 1998(wow, i actually read his comment in 1999 for Tiananmen).

    When one day your jp neighbors without provocation, sneak up into your house, slaughter all your sons, rape all your daughters & wife, and crow about it, you might find hard to forgive huh? But you nuke jp, more ruthless, so ok.

    Im quite sure Chinese has no hesitation to see Jp dissappear if they could, consider jp still trying to honor war crimes, denied atrocity, gang up with US & Indians to sabotage it. It require a sane jp PM to apologize sincerely, atone, and patch up in goodwill with Chinese & Koreans.

    People are forgiving to sincere repentance. German did that, but jp try to chge history by rewriting school textbook. The murkans said we nuke their military(brigade of women & children) to save more innocent soldiers life, let's move on. War criminals forgive lesser war criminals.

    Was that in the Guardian ?

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    Forgotten. But your name denk was there,...a long time Crusader for truth.
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  • @22pp22
    I do understand. My loathing for our deep state is beyond words. More than anything, I feel they have made me complicit in their crimes in the Middle East, especially the second Invasion of Iraq and the destruction of Yemen.

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms.

    I do not want to see roles reversed.

    China's economic development is easy to explain. Deng Xiaoping took the shackles off the Chinese economy gave the country a modern infrastructure and Chinese IQ did the rest.

    Western economic success is actually harder to explain. There are fewer than us than there are of you and yet we still produce a lot of top-quality scientific innovation despite our slightly lower IQs.

    Many Western Europeans mock the Russians, yet they are smart enough to put rockets into space and built top-quality military hardware. Some of it is down to their Jewish minority, but the contribution of Slavs is also huge.

    I look at white rural New Zealand, small-town Bavaria, even Thessaloniki in Greece and I do not see failed, crime-ridden hell-holes. Crime is so rare in Cyprus it makes Japan feel like Chicago in the 1920's.

    What is wrong with our society can be summed up as 1) a bad relationship with alcohol and 2) obesity.

    I want our universities to train our doctors and engineers,not other people's.

    TT is a proud Singaporean and that is a good thing, but Singapore is a city state and so I think it should be left out of international comparisons the same way that Luxembourg and Monaco should be.

    You might find the following data instructive.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/256642/the-20-countries-with-the-highest-trade-surplus/

    Italy, the Netherlands and Ireland are no more blessed with natural resources than South Korea.

    Also, I am aware that Chinese people are not perfect. They have flaws. That's not racist, it's simply a function of the fact that they are human. The idea that we will not be trodden on if we lie face down in the first is simply silly.

    Godfree Robert is a self-loathing Westerner. They get on my nerves - as does this puff-piece on Xi Jinping. No human is perfect, not even a man with the smarts to rise to the leadership of the world's biggest county.

    Vladimir Putin's achievements rival Xi Jinping's in that he turned around a country that was on the verge of imploding, but I've never seen a pro-Putin puff-piece to rival this.

    I see that TT and Kauchai have beaten me to it,
    but your proclaimation does begs more questions,

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms.

    Migt make right is ok for us !

    I do not want to see roles reversed.

    but not for the Chinese etc…..

    To hell with the multi-polar world,
    Long live to Pax murkka !

    I guess you support the asia pivot, the quad machination,
    to nip the yellow peril in its bud eh ?

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  • @kauchai
    " I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms."

    "I do not want to see roles reversed. "

    "The idea that we will not be trodden on if we lie face down in the first is simply silly."

    Spoken like a true psychopathic hypocrite. You are tasting some of this roles reversal in the south china sea right now. Best thing of all, china didn't even have to fire a single bullet and the empire's mighty navy can only play chicken.

    If you stick around a little longer, there is just a slim chance you may see your passion about colonialism come true when the PLA or the russian army march into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and 10 Downing Street.

    And I am sure you'd love it just as much when the PLA trooper grinds his heel into you face and shove the other one into your ass.

    I bet you'd enjoy it just as much when your limbs are sawn-off and reattached with somebody else's without anesthesia.

    How about being injected with typhoid, malaria, dengue, syphillis, gonorrhea, ebola, SARS, H5N1 just to see how you hold up to these wonderful germs, heh?

    Not enough? Get a dose of VX, anthrax, Sarin, maybe even polonium or depleted uranium?

    Maybe you would laugh and encourage your colonial masters when your daughters, wife and other female friends were raped and sodomized and then have iron rods and branches stuffed into their vaginas and rectums. I bet you will be the first in line to patronize them when they are turned into comfort women. You would cheer to the high heavens when pregnant women's bellies are slit open and their fetuses thrown into the air for bayonet practice, won't you?

    You would even volunteer for a campaign to spray the countryside with agent orange so that you will have a chance to eat the GMO grown wheat, soybeans, barley, rice, fruits because they are soooo nutritious won't you?

    See, colonialism is so much fun...when you wouldn't feel guilty about it.

    But then again, chinese have a silly thing about not doing to others what you don't want others to do unto you. Sorry, to raise your hope so high...

    But if you continue to poke china in the eye whenever the itch strikes, you may just be the first to get a taste of their brand new hypersonic ICBM (DF17) delivered to your doorstep with guidance from the BEIDOU satellite navigation system in less than 14 minutes. If this is not enough for your colonial fetishes, the PLAN can send a few dozens 094 nuclear ballistic missile subs off the artic, atlantic and pacific coasts to keep you warm in the cold winter.


    " Western economic success is actually harder to explain. There are fewer than us than there are of you and yet we still produce a lot of top-quality scientific innovation despite our slightly lower IQs. "
    Its really not that hard to explain. But I supposed by now I may not be able to prevail on you to check out the twenty something volumes of Joseph Needham's "SCIENCE AND CIVILIZATION IN CHINA" which (as a prequel for you) was the basis for a large part of the industrial revolutions in europe that brought the west out of the dark ages. But if you are interested, they can be found in the university of cambridge in good old mother england.

    When he was asked what he taught of the french revolution, former premier zhou enlai said it was too early to tell. All of europe, ex-roman empire have only less than 2000 years. The empire of chaos has less than 300. The chinese civilization has not only survived the last 5,000 years of bloody and inhuman invasions by the west and the japs, internal revolutions, natural calamities and the progress of time, it has expanded and thrive with its unique culture and its own system of governance. As for the empire of chaos, I am sorry to say that looking at the way it is being run today, I highly doubt it will make it to the next 300 in one piece.

    He will experience the future, one way or another. Slamming words on the keyboard won’t change anything. In a way, its perhaps particularly just given his basically evil attitude that he gets to suffer it far more than someone who is more enlightened. He chose suffering, and in that, there is much karma.

    In the end, selfishness and evil becomes its own punishment.

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    Isn't slamming words into a keyboard what we are all doing on this forum?

    None of us knows what the future will bring.
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  • @kauchai
    " I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms."

    "I do not want to see roles reversed. "

    "The idea that we will not be trodden on if we lie face down in the first is simply silly."

    Spoken like a true psychopathic hypocrite. You are tasting some of this roles reversal in the south china sea right now. Best thing of all, china didn't even have to fire a single bullet and the empire's mighty navy can only play chicken.

    If you stick around a little longer, there is just a slim chance you may see your passion about colonialism come true when the PLA or the russian army march into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and 10 Downing Street.

    And I am sure you'd love it just as much when the PLA trooper grinds his heel into you face and shove the other one into your ass.

    I bet you'd enjoy it just as much when your limbs are sawn-off and reattached with somebody else's without anesthesia.

    How about being injected with typhoid, malaria, dengue, syphillis, gonorrhea, ebola, SARS, H5N1 just to see how you hold up to these wonderful germs, heh?

    Not enough? Get a dose of VX, anthrax, Sarin, maybe even polonium or depleted uranium?

    Maybe you would laugh and encourage your colonial masters when your daughters, wife and other female friends were raped and sodomized and then have iron rods and branches stuffed into their vaginas and rectums. I bet you will be the first in line to patronize them when they are turned into comfort women. You would cheer to the high heavens when pregnant women's bellies are slit open and their fetuses thrown into the air for bayonet practice, won't you?

    You would even volunteer for a campaign to spray the countryside with agent orange so that you will have a chance to eat the GMO grown wheat, soybeans, barley, rice, fruits because they are soooo nutritious won't you?

    See, colonialism is so much fun...when you wouldn't feel guilty about it.

    But then again, chinese have a silly thing about not doing to others what you don't want others to do unto you. Sorry, to raise your hope so high...

    But if you continue to poke china in the eye whenever the itch strikes, you may just be the first to get a taste of their brand new hypersonic ICBM (DF17) delivered to your doorstep with guidance from the BEIDOU satellite navigation system in less than 14 minutes. If this is not enough for your colonial fetishes, the PLAN can send a few dozens 094 nuclear ballistic missile subs off the artic, atlantic and pacific coasts to keep you warm in the cold winter.


    " Western economic success is actually harder to explain. There are fewer than us than there are of you and yet we still produce a lot of top-quality scientific innovation despite our slightly lower IQs. "
    Its really not that hard to explain. But I supposed by now I may not be able to prevail on you to check out the twenty something volumes of Joseph Needham's "SCIENCE AND CIVILIZATION IN CHINA" which (as a prequel for you) was the basis for a large part of the industrial revolutions in europe that brought the west out of the dark ages. But if you are interested, they can be found in the university of cambridge in good old mother england.

    When he was asked what he taught of the french revolution, former premier zhou enlai said it was too early to tell. All of europe, ex-roman empire have only less than 2000 years. The empire of chaos has less than 300. The chinese civilization has not only survived the last 5,000 years of bloody and inhuman invasions by the west and the japs, internal revolutions, natural calamities and the progress of time, it has expanded and thrive with its unique culture and its own system of governance. As for the empire of chaos, I am sorry to say that looking at the way it is being run today, I highly doubt it will make it to the next 300 in one piece.

    Ancient China is a fascinating civilization.

    But Joseph Needham? Come on! The man was caught in one lie after another. He was delusional. He said that Aztec culture was clearly inspired by China.

    An no Chinese people did not split the atom or invent the aeroplane. Westerners did.

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    " An no Chinese people did not split the atom or invent the aeroplane."

    I doubt the chinese will bring themselves to develop a weapon of mass destruction when they stopped at just using gunpowder to make fireworks. Do chinese have to invent everything for the human race?

    And unlike you, Needham backed up his assertions about chinese inventions with cold hard facts.
    , @Godfree Roberts
    Where did you get your information about Professor Needham?

    I'm pretty familiar with his bio, his scientific work and his Sinological output and have never heard anything like that about him.

    I will be spending time next month with someone who knew him personally and will be happy to factcheck anything of substance.
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    One lie after another? I'm very familiar with Needham's non-scientific work (for which he was knighted and which was never found lacking) and with critiques of it.

    Can you provide us with two or three direct quotes to support your allegation?
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  • @Joe Wong
    We are now living in a rapidly changing world...Peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit have become the trend of our times. To keep up with the times, we cannot have ourselves physically living in the 21st century, but with a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by zero-sum Cold War mentality.

    The West (Europeans and their offshoots like the American, Aussie, etc.) is where is now, because of those hundreds of millions of people all over the world who were robbed and murdered, those who become victims of their very madness of colonialism and orientalism, of the crusades and the slave and Opium trades. Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears.

    The West squandered all the wealth they obtained thru stealing, looting and murdering hundreds of millions of people all over the world in the scrabbling of a dog-eat-dog play rough over the monopoly to plunder the rest of the world through two World Wars, one on the edge of Armageddon, and on the verge of another Armageddon. It proves the West is incapable of bringing peace and prosperity to the mankind because of their flawed culture, civilization and religion. The chaos and suffering of the world in the last few hundreds of years under the dominance the West proves they are a failure.

    Human beings deserve better, we need to depart from the chaotic and harmful world order and path established by the moronic West. China proposed a new way of life, a win-win approach for the wellbeing of mankind like Belt-Road-Initiative to build and trade the world into peace, harmony and prosperity. The West should not be the obstacle for achieving such refreshing winner for all initiative. The West should embrace the new approach proposed by China because the West will benefit from it. 22pp22, let go the old, obsolete, failed and detrimental believe passed onto you by your colonialist forebears please, welcome the new era.

    Actually, there is a great deal less suffering today than there has been in the past.

    Thirteenth century. Mongols slaughter 1/6 of the planet.

    Seventeenth century – Fall of the Ming, Thirty Years War, Time of Troubles – in terms of the numbers killed relative to population far worse than anything in the past century. Nothing to do with colonialism.

    Nineteenth Century. The great bloodbath of the nineteenth century was the Taiping Rebellion. That was Chinese on Chinese. The worst thing that happened on European soil was the French occupation of Spain and the Irish Famine.

    Hundreds of millions of murders? There weren’t hundreds of millions of Maori or Aborigines. Wandering through Rotorua or Cairns, there still seem to be quite a few of them around. If you are referring to the New World, then you do have a point. The exploitation of the silver mines or Potosi was brutal and the Trail of Tears is a stain on our history. However, it was primarily smallpox and other Old World diseases that wiped out the locals. If Chinese had reached the New World First (as Gavin Menzies claims), the Chinese would have infected the Red Indians with influenza and measles in the same way that we did.

    In 1900, Germany did more trade with Luxembourg than it did with its entire colonial empire. Switzerland and Sweden were never colonial powers and yet they are stinking rich. Many European countries still run massive trade surpluses, per capita far more so than China.

    The Cathedrals of the West were built when we were under assault from Islam and were not in a position to colonise anyone.

    This idea that the Western World success was built on colonialism is silly. The West was able to subjugate other people because it had first become wealthy, not the other way round. The Japanese realised this and copied the West in the Meiji Era. They then joined in the subjugation of other people with gusto.

    I hope I won’t have to kowtow in this new Utopia.

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    Funny, your denials and revisionist narrative remind me the Japs. Your remorselessness about crimes against humanity, crimes against peace, and war crimes is unique to the unrepentant war criminal Japanese; no one is comparable to the morally defunct war criminal Japs, not even the gut eating ISIS. It seems you have proven me wrong, the West and Muslim have mingled together since the inception of their religions, they bound to have learnt from each other.

    Europe was dirt poor for more than a thousand years, it was a superstitious and cult serfdom that 99.99% of the people was illiterate and they used wood to farm; small population of the White is the result of that long period of backwardness; but not until Columbus led banditry plundering and carrying out genocide in Americas, and followed by barbaric colonialism thru barbaric wars, illicit drugs like Opium, slavery, stealing, robbing, looting, plundering, murdering, torturing, exploiting, polluting, culture genocide, ‘pious’ fanaticism, unmatchable greed and extreme brutality around the world. The sudden rich of the West in the 18th century cannot be logically explained even by Darwin’s Evolution theory other than thru the unscrupulous means of the evil Western colonialism.

    Chinese has medical means to counter smallpox and other diseases before 18th century; unlike the West, bloodletting and praying to the God were the only means to fight illness. Black Death wiped out half of the White was due to their backwardness in medicine before 19th century. Besides Zheng He visited seven seas with hundreds of 3000 tons ships (Santa Maria was 108 tons, Mayflower was 180 tons) for culture exchanges. Chinese did not colonize the places they visited with organized violence and atrocities like the West, or brought any diseases to wipe out the local population like the West. The West could follow Zheng He’s footstep to carry out a peaceful mutual benefit interaction mission, then you do not have to white wash and gloss over the crimes committed by the West so stressfully with ridiculous obfuscation that makes people think you are psychopathic.

    Anyhow what you proud of is a deep nostalgia of the British Empire of the past, the West’s trade volume of the past compares in pale with the current situation where China is the largest trading nation in the world and China is the largest trading partner of nearly all nations in the world. China returns to its historical position in the world like its economy is the combination EU and USA, or 50 times of Japan is only a natural course because of its size, established civilization and innovative heritage, not thru harmful and unscrupulous means adopted by the West.

    I feel for the anxiety of the White Aussie in the remote corner in a sea of Asians, particular their harmful behaviour against others during their brutal imperialistic colonial era and a long history of violence between themselves and with the Muslim, the past does not sit well with them. The Aussie worries chickens coming home to roost due to their ugly past is only natural.

    But Chinese is not the West; Chinese believes five principles of peaceful coexistence, they treat every nation large and small as equal with respect; making peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit the trend of our times is the Chinese goal. Letting go the nostalgia of the West imperial colonial past is the first step to join the new Utopia.
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  • @kauchai
    " I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms."

    "I do not want to see roles reversed. "

    "The idea that we will not be trodden on if we lie face down in the first is simply silly."

    Spoken like a true psychopathic hypocrite. You are tasting some of this roles reversal in the south china sea right now. Best thing of all, china didn't even have to fire a single bullet and the empire's mighty navy can only play chicken.

    If you stick around a little longer, there is just a slim chance you may see your passion about colonialism come true when the PLA or the russian army march into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and 10 Downing Street.

    And I am sure you'd love it just as much when the PLA trooper grinds his heel into you face and shove the other one into your ass.

    I bet you'd enjoy it just as much when your limbs are sawn-off and reattached with somebody else's without anesthesia.

    How about being injected with typhoid, malaria, dengue, syphillis, gonorrhea, ebola, SARS, H5N1 just to see how you hold up to these wonderful germs, heh?

    Not enough? Get a dose of VX, anthrax, Sarin, maybe even polonium or depleted uranium?

    Maybe you would laugh and encourage your colonial masters when your daughters, wife and other female friends were raped and sodomized and then have iron rods and branches stuffed into their vaginas and rectums. I bet you will be the first in line to patronize them when they are turned into comfort women. You would cheer to the high heavens when pregnant women's bellies are slit open and their fetuses thrown into the air for bayonet practice, won't you?

    You would even volunteer for a campaign to spray the countryside with agent orange so that you will have a chance to eat the GMO grown wheat, soybeans, barley, rice, fruits because they are soooo nutritious won't you?

    See, colonialism is so much fun...when you wouldn't feel guilty about it.

    But then again, chinese have a silly thing about not doing to others what you don't want others to do unto you. Sorry, to raise your hope so high...

    But if you continue to poke china in the eye whenever the itch strikes, you may just be the first to get a taste of their brand new hypersonic ICBM (DF17) delivered to your doorstep with guidance from the BEIDOU satellite navigation system in less than 14 minutes. If this is not enough for your colonial fetishes, the PLAN can send a few dozens 094 nuclear ballistic missile subs off the artic, atlantic and pacific coasts to keep you warm in the cold winter.


    " Western economic success is actually harder to explain. There are fewer than us than there are of you and yet we still produce a lot of top-quality scientific innovation despite our slightly lower IQs. "
    Its really not that hard to explain. But I supposed by now I may not be able to prevail on you to check out the twenty something volumes of Joseph Needham's "SCIENCE AND CIVILIZATION IN CHINA" which (as a prequel for you) was the basis for a large part of the industrial revolutions in europe that brought the west out of the dark ages. But if you are interested, they can be found in the university of cambridge in good old mother england.

    When he was asked what he taught of the french revolution, former premier zhou enlai said it was too early to tell. All of europe, ex-roman empire have only less than 2000 years. The empire of chaos has less than 300. The chinese civilization has not only survived the last 5,000 years of bloody and inhuman invasions by the west and the japs, internal revolutions, natural calamities and the progress of time, it has expanded and thrive with its unique culture and its own system of governance. As for the empire of chaos, I am sorry to say that looking at the way it is being run today, I highly doubt it will make it to the next 300 in one piece.

    I have forgiven the Mongols. Now I forgive you for you highly intemperate outburst. You say:

    Maybe you would laugh and encourage your colonial masters when your daughters, wife and other female friends were raped and sodomized and then have iron rods and branches stuffed into their vaginas and rectums. I bet you will be the first in line to patronize them when they are turned into comfort women. You would cheer to the high heavens when pregnant women’s bellies are slit open and their fetuses thrown into the air for bayonet practice, won’t you?

    You certainly have a vivid imagination. I really wouldn’t laugh if I saw any of those things. I am not like you.

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    I forgive you for your inconsiderate and ill-mannered take about colonialism that brought so much misery, pain, loss, dislocation, etc. It has been a 500-year old enterprise that are still being felt and practiced all over the world today. This is especially so in the middle-east, africa and latin america.

    My vivid imagination comes from Daniel Barenblatt's A PLAGUE UPON HUMANITY - The Secret Genocide of Axis Japan's Germ Warfare Operation (Harper-Collins). If reading is hard on you, please go visit the UNIT 731 museum in Harbin China and do not forget to drop by the Nanjing Massacre Memorial.

    By the way, the mongols are not chinese.

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  • @Polish Perspective
    What I like most about Xi Jinping is apparent love of the people. Then again, it appears to be an East Asian trait in general to have leaders behave somewhat modestly. The Japanese are famous for this. China's extreme inequality surely is grating at Xi's conception of a harmonious society. I suppose that is one area, after corruption, where he will focus next, if he isn't already.

    One criticism of Xi that hasn't been articulated yet is his apparent re-nationalisation of the Chinese economy. Zhu Rongji, who I regard as the single most gifted Chinese reformer of the past few decades, did yeoman's work in the late 1990s to clean up the bloated SOE sector which freed up tremendous resources. It also meant laying off tens of millions of people, in a very politically risky move. The result was that the Chinese economy could truly take advantage of its WTO entrance in 2001.

    Xi has changed tack. He has deepened SOE involvement. His "reforms" has mostly mean consolidation, some vague attempts at "efficiency" and infusion of equity into these SOEs without fixing their underlying inefficiency. This matters to him because he wants political control. It is not good for the economy, though, since these zombie firms clog up the credit stream which could otherwise go to healthy private sector companies.

    We're not talking about small numbers here. China's total non-financial debt is at 160% of GDP, higher than most advanced countries. Victor Shih estimates that China's total debt to GDP(public+private) is well over 320%, again higher than most advanced countries for a country at 1/4th or 1/5th the per capita income level.

    China's credit measure, called "Total Social Financing" has been growing faster than nominal GDP for a period of years now, resulting in rapid leveraging of the economy in further debt. 2017 was an outlier in that it seemed to stay still, but it did not decline and the IMF is forecasting this to continue.

    Xi's response during the 2015 stockmarket meltdown was also bizarre. He essentially instructed the central bank to take several hundreds of billions of hard-won reserves and pump it into the casino called the Shanghai stock exchange. You're supposed to save reserves for a rainy day for the economy, not the stock market, which is not the same as the economy. Yet it appeared that the "loss of face" prospect was too great for him to bear. Nobody naturally dared to stand up and point out the folly.

    I like Xi, I like his instincts, but he is not exactly an economic manager. His premier, Mr Li, is one but he is shunted aside, at least if we judge the Chinese government by what it does and not what it says. China's immense size and population will guarantee it a place among the stars. In many ways, it is already there. But the massive leveraging of its economy, it's inability to deal decisively with the zombie firms like Mr. Rongji had done, does raise worrying signs for the 2020s.

    I would be the first to celebrate if China became the undisputed world leader by the 2020s, but any realistic assessment of their economy must acknowledge the flashing warning signs that are slowing but surely building up. Once an economy becomes saturated with debt, it is very hard to get out of it. Just look at Japan. I'm less concerned of a big bang for China than a slow burn.

    Premier Li Keqiang is a graduate of Economics from Beida (Beijing University aka China’s Harvard) , center of neoliberal. He’s a follower of American neoliberal IMHO. The neoliberal economic policy proves to be disatrous for ordinary people while beneficial to the rich-and-richer few.

    His attempt to reform of finance brings quite some fluctuation into the stock resulting some huge financial scandals. I agree with you that the reation of China’s government about 2015 stockmarket meltdown was stupid/suspicious. Now CEOs and managers of some Chinese financial groups and funds are now under investigations and some top officials of the supervision board of China’s stock markets are also arrested for corruption. (One of those under investigation is the husband of Deng’s granddaughter.)

    His proposal for “financial innovation” ends up with tons of online usury loans to the young people, esp students at universities. Some of the scams have real interest rates as high as 50%. There are some young students who can’t pay back the loans and can’t bear the high pressure from the loan sharks committed suicide. Big problem for social stability.

    His push of PPP, euphemism for privatisation, of public services and asset-rich SOEs are not popular with average Chinese who have seen what happened in USSR and/or experienced in China under Zhu Rongji.

    Zhu Rongji is a darling in Western and among China’s nouveau riche because he offered them the super chances to make huge amount of money in China and to steal the public assets to become millionaire overnight.

    He sold the state-owned enterprises (SOE) at fire-fight price, which enriched the well-connected ones and opened the gate to the rampage of corruptions that spread to all levels of governments, even to the army, and still saddles the society. He ruthlessly closed hundres of thousands of SOEs no matter wheather they were in healthy economic status or not and forced tens of millions of workers out of job without social net in place. Womens out of job from the Northeast China went to become prostitutes to support their families. Some out-of-job workers’ could not afford to have meat once in a month. In some extrem cases the whole family committed suicide by jumping off the top of the building.

    His policy totally destructed the industry of Northeast of China, where used to be the industry base for China, and it yet recovers. The traumatic psychological shock is still haunting the ordinary workers, their families as well the local society.

    Zhu is obviously very competent but equally ruthless. Millions of workers whose lives and famlies were ruined by him will never forget nor forgive him.

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    Mr Zhu Rongji certainly had a more impressive biography than Pres Xi JP. Is he really so bad, or its an unjust comment on such remarkable visionary China leader?

    Consider his so many accolades & achievements, single handledly kill off 1997 Asian Crisis raiders against West vultures pressure to devalue Yuan, restructured debts burden states banks & SoE, cutoff colossal PLA involvement in business, Justice Bao of anti-corruption...the most impressive Premier since Zhou Enlai.

    Deng praised Zhu RJ highly, "If China were to discover Zhu 10yrs earlier, China progress could have been much far ahead....". ...Deng, who noted that Zhu "has his own views, dares to make decisions, and knows economics."[1] In comparing Zhu to his peers when considering his appointment, Deng said, "The current leadership do not know economics... Zhu Rongji is the only one who understands economics."[11]

    The only China leader could charmed the West, giving unscripted English speech & playing erhu in US congress to standing ovation, and was praised by American journalists, politicians, and business leaders for his frankness, openness, energy, and technical background.

    During the Cultural Revolution Zhu was purged again. From 1970-1975 during his exile in the countryside Zhu worked as a manual laborer, raising pigs and cattle, carrying human waste, and planting rice.[3]

    Zhu was chosen to become China's fifth premier in 1998, largely due to his success in managing large macroeconomic projects.[5] During his term Zhu continued to focus on issues related to economic development. He generally favoured stable, sustainable development supported by robust macroeconomic control measures and a tight monetary policy. He continued to promote investment in China's industrial and agricultural sectors.[24]

    His reform of state-owned enterprises led to approximately 35% of their workforce, forty million workers, being laid off over five years.[14][27] Some of Zhu's reforms were reversed under the leadership of Hu Jintao, and other reforms he hoped would be addressed by the incoming administration were not implemented. Notably, state-owned enterprises were allowed to regrow and re-establish a dominant place in the Chinese economy, and large areas of the banking sector remained unregulated. Hu may have reversed the Chinese government's previous position and promoted state-owned enterprises in an effort to promote social stability.[27]
     

    Shortly after coming to office, in 1998, he required the People's Liberation Army to relinquish its involvement in business interests. Referring to his efforts to fight corruption, he once said, "I will prepare 100 coffins for the corrupt, and one for me, for I will die of fatigue".
     

    Zhu assisted Deng in regaining his prestige and authority by assisting Deng in organizing his 1992 Southern Inspection Tour.[8]
     

    Throughout Zhu's term as both vice-premier and premier, Li Peng was successful in blocking Zhu from introducing regulation or government oversight over China's power companies,[17] and they remained private monopolies essentially run by Li's family throughout Zhu's term of office.[18]

    Although he demonstrated a desire and ability to enact large, thorough legal and economic reforms, and political reforms aimed at making the Chinese government more efficient and transparent, Zhu made it clear that he did not support dramatic political change. When asked by Western journalists in 1990 whether he was China's Gorbachev, he responded "No, I am China's Zhu Rongji".[10]
     

    In 1951 he became the chairman of the Tsinghua Student Union.

    From 1952-1958 he worked in the State Planning Commission, where he worked as group head, deputy director, and deputy section chief.[4] In 1957, during the Hundred Flowers Campaign,[2] he criticized Mao Zedong's economic policies, saying that they promoted "irrational high growth". His comments led to him being subsequently identified as a "rightist" in 1958, for which he was persecuted, demoted,[1] disgraced, and thrown out of the Communist Party.[5] In the late 1950s his family was also persecuted for their pre-revolutionary status as wealthy landowners, and their family mansion was destroyed.[2]

    After his persecution as a rightist, Zhu was sent to work at a remote cadre school. In 1962, following the famine and industrial collapse caused by the Great Leap Forward,[6] Zhu was pardoned (but not politically rehabilitated), and was assigned to work as an engineer at the National Economic Bureau of the State Planning Commission. During the Cultural Revolution Zhu was purged again. From 1970-1975 he was sent for "re-education" to the "May Seventh Cadre School", a special farm for disgraced government workers and former Party members.[4] During his exile in the countryside Zhu worked as a manual laborer, raising pigs and cattle, carrying human waste, and planting rice.[3]

    Shortly after the death of Mao Zedong in 1976 Deng Xiaoping initiated economic and political reforms which led to Zhu's rehabilitation, and he returned to work in the government.[6] From 1976 to 1979 he worked as an engineer in the Ministry of Petroleum Industry, and served as the director of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences' Industrial Economic Bureau.[5] In 1978 he was formally rehabilitated and allowed to rejoin the Communist Party.[6] During the late 1970s Zhu's positions were relatively low-profile, but after Deng consolidated his power in the 1980s and the government became more meritocratic, Zhu was promoted to work in increasingly demanding positions. He had few connections in the army, the Party, or the bureaucracy, and was able to rise through the ranks of the government mostly through his own skills.[6] In 1979 he was reassigned to the State Economic Commission, in which he served as vice-minister from 1983-1987.[1]

     

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  • @TT

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms. I do not want to see roles reversed.
     
    In 2040, the West was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the East was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms. But don't you colonize me & have no modest sense of guilt. Its ok if i f**k your wife & daughter, but don't you touch mine....that's white mentality.

    Godfree Robert is a self-loathing Westerner. They get on my nerves – as does this puff-piece on Xi Jinping. No human is perfect, not even a man with the smarts to rise to the leadership of the world’s biggest county.
     
    I would said Godfrey is rare realistic westerner, telling his foolish kins to look straight at Truth. You can't cover your own eyes to make others can't see you. The West is naked emperor now, Godfrey called it out.

    Vladimir Putin’s achievements rival Xi Jinping’s in that he turned around a country that was on the verge of imploding, but I’ve never seen a pro-Putin puff-piece to rival this.
     
    You ought to be kidding, Putin has much colourful profile story that make Xi look like a boring old dish washer in Chinatown.

    But Putin has no vision for the world like Xi, he is very much on Russian rise to super power & won't hesitate to throw his allies under bus if West agreed to give him an equal seat in the eminent vultures club, G8 less China.

    Now read these.

    http://eng.putin.kremlin.ru/bio

    https://www.biography.com/.amp/people/vladimir-putin-9448807

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin




    Putin paternal grandfather, Spiridon Ivanovich Putin, a skilled cook who worked for Lenin, then Stalin. Father was a ww2 soldier.

    He was high flyer in study, enrol in law, St Petersburg Uni. A Judo black belts. Joint most elite KGB1 as foreign intelligence officer for 16 years, rising to Lieutenant Colonel,.. joint politics, become assistant to rector of uni, do Phd ...joined President Boris Yeltsin's administration, rising quickly in 8yrs to become Pres of Russia.

    He was Director of the Federal Security Service (FSB), successor to the KGB.[62]

    Putin cultivates an outdoor, sporty, tough guy public image, demonstrating his physical prowess and taking part in unusual or dangerous acts, such as extreme sports and interaction with wild animals,[368] part of a public relations approach that, according to Wired, "deliberately cultivates the macho, take-charge superhero image" Notable examples of Putin's adventures include:[376] flying military jets, demonstrating martial arts, riding horses, rafting, and fishing and swimming in a cold Siberian river, many of which he did bare chested.[370] Other examples are descending in a deepwater submersible, tranquilizing tigers and polar bears,[370][377][378] riding a motorbike,[379] co-piloting a firefighting plane to dump water on a raging fire,[369] shooting darts at whales from a crossbow for eco-tracking,[380] driving a race car,[376][381] scuba diving at an archaeological site,[371][382] attempting to lead endangered cranes in a motorized hang glider,[383] and catching large fish.[384][385]


    “He was expert at reading and manipulating people and was unfazed by violence,” writes Katusa. “These were indispensable qualities for anyone out to make his way to the top of the Russian political pile.”

    He flown a fighter plane. He threaten to flush terrorists down the toilet. He won Chechnya war, Georgia war, took back Crimean under murkans eyes, screwed West & Israel terrorists in Syria war...

    In March 2018, during his annual address to Parliament, Putin boasted of new weaponry that would render NATO defenses "completely worthless," including a low-flying nuclear-capable cruise missile with "unlimited" range and another one capable of traveling at hypersonic speed. His demonstration included video animation of attacks on the U.S., ratcheting up tensions with Washington
     
    The only man in earth can threaten to annihilate murkans if their rott heads decide to risk attack Russia.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bRSESIHoFog/hqdefault.jpg


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#/media/File:Vladimir_Putin_Cockpit_TU-160_Bomber.jpg

    https://www.desktopbackground.org/download/1280x1024/2010/08/02/57826_vladimir-putin_2880x1800_h.jpg

    http://big5kayakchallenge.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/beautiful-vladimir-putin-memes-putin-riding-a-bear-blank-template-imgflip-vladimir-putin-memes.jpg

    Well said TT…always enjoy your Confucian take on geopolitics…

    Also appreciate the pictures…you may have missed this one of Macron…

    They say he is trying to be like Putin…but the leash gets in the way…

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  • @22pp22
    I do understand. My loathing for our deep state is beyond words. More than anything, I feel they have made me complicit in their crimes in the Middle East, especially the second Invasion of Iraq and the destruction of Yemen.

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms.

    I do not want to see roles reversed.

    China's economic development is easy to explain. Deng Xiaoping took the shackles off the Chinese economy gave the country a modern infrastructure and Chinese IQ did the rest.

    Western economic success is actually harder to explain. There are fewer than us than there are of you and yet we still produce a lot of top-quality scientific innovation despite our slightly lower IQs.

    Many Western Europeans mock the Russians, yet they are smart enough to put rockets into space and built top-quality military hardware. Some of it is down to their Jewish minority, but the contribution of Slavs is also huge.

    I look at white rural New Zealand, small-town Bavaria, even Thessaloniki in Greece and I do not see failed, crime-ridden hell-holes. Crime is so rare in Cyprus it makes Japan feel like Chicago in the 1920's.

    What is wrong with our society can be summed up as 1) a bad relationship with alcohol and 2) obesity.

    I want our universities to train our doctors and engineers,not other people's.

    TT is a proud Singaporean and that is a good thing, but Singapore is a city state and so I think it should be left out of international comparisons the same way that Luxembourg and Monaco should be.

    You might find the following data instructive.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/256642/the-20-countries-with-the-highest-trade-surplus/

    Italy, the Netherlands and Ireland are no more blessed with natural resources than South Korea.

    Also, I am aware that Chinese people are not perfect. They have flaws. That's not racist, it's simply a function of the fact that they are human. The idea that we will not be trodden on if we lie face down in the first is simply silly.

    Godfree Robert is a self-loathing Westerner. They get on my nerves - as does this puff-piece on Xi Jinping. No human is perfect, not even a man with the smarts to rise to the leadership of the world's biggest county.

    Vladimir Putin's achievements rival Xi Jinping's in that he turned around a country that was on the verge of imploding, but I've never seen a pro-Putin puff-piece to rival this.

    We are now living in a rapidly changing world…Peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit have become the trend of our times. To keep up with the times, we cannot have ourselves physically living in the 21st century, but with a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by zero-sum Cold War mentality.

    The West (Europeans and their offshoots like the American, Aussie, etc.) is where is now, because of those hundreds of millions of people all over the world who were robbed and murdered, those who become victims of their very madness of colonialism and orientalism, of the crusades and the slave and Opium trades. Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears.

    The West squandered all the wealth they obtained thru stealing, looting and murdering hundreds of millions of people all over the world in the scrabbling of a dog-eat-dog play rough over the monopoly to plunder the rest of the world through two World Wars, one on the edge of Armageddon, and on the verge of another Armageddon. It proves the West is incapable of bringing peace and prosperity to the mankind because of their flawed culture, civilization and religion. The chaos and suffering of the world in the last few hundreds of years under the dominance the West proves they are a failure.

    Human beings deserve better, we need to depart from the chaotic and harmful world order and path established by the moronic West. China proposed a new way of life, a win-win approach for the wellbeing of mankind like Belt-Road-Initiative to build and trade the world into peace, harmony and prosperity. The West should not be the obstacle for achieving such refreshing winner for all initiative. The West should embrace the new approach proposed by China because the West will benefit from it. 22pp22, let go the old, obsolete, failed and detrimental believe passed onto you by your colonialist forebears please, welcome the new era.

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    Actually, there is a great deal less suffering today than there has been in the past.

    Thirteenth century. Mongols slaughter 1/6 of the planet.

    Seventeenth century - Fall of the Ming, Thirty Years War, Time of Troubles - in terms of the numbers killed relative to population far worse than anything in the past century. Nothing to do with colonialism.

    Nineteenth Century. The great bloodbath of the nineteenth century was the Taiping Rebellion. That was Chinese on Chinese. The worst thing that happened on European soil was the French occupation of Spain and the Irish Famine.

    Hundreds of millions of murders? There weren't hundreds of millions of Maori or Aborigines. Wandering through Rotorua or Cairns, there still seem to be quite a few of them around. If you are referring to the New World, then you do have a point. The exploitation of the silver mines or Potosi was brutal and the Trail of Tears is a stain on our history. However, it was primarily smallpox and other Old World diseases that wiped out the locals. If Chinese had reached the New World First (as Gavin Menzies claims), the Chinese would have infected the Red Indians with influenza and measles in the same way that we did.

    In 1900, Germany did more trade with Luxembourg than it did with its entire colonial empire. Switzerland and Sweden were never colonial powers and yet they are stinking rich. Many European countries still run massive trade surpluses, per capita far more so than China.

    The Cathedrals of the West were built when we were under assault from Islam and were not in a position to colonise anyone.

    This idea that the Western World success was built on colonialism is silly. The West was able to subjugate other people because it had first become wealthy, not the other way round. The Japanese realised this and copied the West in the Meiji Era. They then joined in the subjugation of other people with gusto.

    I hope I won't have to kowtow in this new Utopia.
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  • @FB
    Well this is a great article by Mr. Roberts...his series on Mao was tremendous...so much new to learn from this man...

    And of course we always have the indoctrinated 'bots in the comment section...who naturally fail to appreciate actually learning something...the 'casting pearls before swine' scenario as they say in the 'good book'...

    Mr. Xi's life is remarkable...born into what could be called Communist Chinese aristocracy...he nonetheless had his rug pulled out from him as a young boy...when his legendary father fell out of court favor as they say...

    For me...his decision to double down in that village exile shows a life-changing test of character...how many of us here would have taken the villagers' brutally honest assessment to heart like he did...

    He found what is the most important thing in life right there in that backbreaking life in that crummy village...the ability to look deep down and be your own worst judge...that's what built this man...

    Xi is exactly what China needs...many have gone soft and taken to the life of leisure...especially the nouveau riche...

    Roberts mentions the 'Eight Immortals' and I found this...in the WaPo...

    We note here that most of the offspring of these historic Chicom leaders have gone into the money-making business...many now in the US etc...same as the Russian oligarchy and their penchant for the decadent life of the West...

    Xi might have ended up like this also...a footnote in a stupid WaPo article...taken the easy road and lived the life of Reilly...

    But he knuckled down on that shitty little farm...because to him...character means something...

    Deng’s grandson, Deng Zuo Di, mentioned in the WaPo article you mentioned, was sent to work at one of the local county governments in Guang Xi between 2013-2016 in the same fashion as Xi had done with his “aprenticeship” in the destitute village and county adminstration. Obviously it is a bit too hard for the US-born & US-educated younger Deng, he quitted it and is now playing bridge in Beijing.

    Even if you are born into the “red aristocratic family”, there is no gurantee that you can become the head of the country if you can’t take the bitter and bite the dirt.

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  • @Che Guava
    Wow, from your language, you are clearly a crazy person who is pretty stupid. Sure, good at whining.

    So, keep whining.

    Thank you for your contribution to Unz humor.

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  • @TT
    Malla is in UK, is Indian RAW hands that long? May be, Assange is still illegally lock up in Estonia Embassy.

    We had an encounter with Indian RAW. They qn about our present in their remote area. The American took a photo of their supervisor & said, i'm Murkans your soulmate. Loo... magic word, they dissappear.

    I haven't met any Chinese that is disapproval of Xi performance yet. Only some websites by murkans stooge paid Chinese dissidents, crowing everything Chinese has achieved is propaganda. When a nation has 80% approval rate like China & Russia, its formidable, West can only wet dream about it.

    50% murkans don't vote, 50% divide betw 2 moronic puppet parties & powerless tea party. Less than 25% votes winning is what they called demoncrapcy. At least EU still can have some opposition to fight back deep states destructive immigration policy.

    Wow, from your language, you are clearly a crazy person who is pretty stupid. Sure, good at whining.

    So, keep whining.

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    Thank you for your contribution to Unz humor.
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  • TT says:
    @22pp22
    I do understand. My loathing for our deep state is beyond words. More than anything, I feel they have made me complicit in their crimes in the Middle East, especially the second Invasion of Iraq and the destruction of Yemen.

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms.

    I do not want to see roles reversed.

    China's economic development is easy to explain. Deng Xiaoping took the shackles off the Chinese economy gave the country a modern infrastructure and Chinese IQ did the rest.

    Western economic success is actually harder to explain. There are fewer than us than there are of you and yet we still produce a lot of top-quality scientific innovation despite our slightly lower IQs.

    Many Western Europeans mock the Russians, yet they are smart enough to put rockets into space and built top-quality military hardware. Some of it is down to their Jewish minority, but the contribution of Slavs is also huge.

    I look at white rural New Zealand, small-town Bavaria, even Thessaloniki in Greece and I do not see failed, crime-ridden hell-holes. Crime is so rare in Cyprus it makes Japan feel like Chicago in the 1920's.

    What is wrong with our society can be summed up as 1) a bad relationship with alcohol and 2) obesity.

    I want our universities to train our doctors and engineers,not other people's.

    TT is a proud Singaporean and that is a good thing, but Singapore is a city state and so I think it should be left out of international comparisons the same way that Luxembourg and Monaco should be.

    You might find the following data instructive.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/256642/the-20-countries-with-the-highest-trade-surplus/

    Italy, the Netherlands and Ireland are no more blessed with natural resources than South Korea.

    Also, I am aware that Chinese people are not perfect. They have flaws. That's not racist, it's simply a function of the fact that they are human. The idea that we will not be trodden on if we lie face down in the first is simply silly.

    Godfree Robert is a self-loathing Westerner. They get on my nerves - as does this puff-piece on Xi Jinping. No human is perfect, not even a man with the smarts to rise to the leadership of the world's biggest county.

    Vladimir Putin's achievements rival Xi Jinping's in that he turned around a country that was on the verge of imploding, but I've never seen a pro-Putin puff-piece to rival this.

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms. I do not want to see roles reversed.

    In 2040, the West was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the East was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms. But don’t you colonize me & have no modest sense of guilt. Its ok if i f**k your wife & daughter, but don’t you touch mine….that’s white mentality.

    Godfree Robert is a self-loathing Westerner. They get on my nerves – as does this puff-piece on Xi Jinping. No human is perfect, not even a man with the smarts to rise to the leadership of the world’s biggest county.

    I would said Godfrey is rare realistic westerner, telling his foolish kins to look straight at Truth. You can’t cover your own eyes to make others can’t see you. The West is naked emperor now, Godfrey called it out.

    Vladimir Putin’s achievements rival Xi Jinping’s in that he turned around a country that was on the verge of imploding, but I’ve never seen a pro-Putin puff-piece to rival this.

    You ought to be kidding, Putin has much colourful profile story that make Xi look like a boring old dish washer in Chinatown.

    But Putin has no vision for the world like Xi, he is very much on Russian rise to super power & won’t hesitate to throw his allies under bus if West agreed to give him an equal seat in the eminent vultures club, G8 less China.

    Now read these.

    http://eng.putin.kremlin.ru/bio

    https://www.biography.com/.amp/people/vladimir-putin-9448807

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin

    Putin paternal grandfather, Spiridon Ivanovich Putin, a skilled cook who worked for Lenin, then Stalin. Father was a ww2 soldier.

    He was high flyer in study, enrol in law, St Petersburg Uni. A Judo black belts. Joint most elite KGB1 as foreign intelligence officer for 16 years, rising to Lieutenant Colonel,.. joint politics, become assistant to rector of uni, do Phd …joined President Boris Yeltsin’s administration, rising quickly in 8yrs to become Pres of Russia.

    He was Director of the Federal Security Service (FSB), successor to the KGB.[62]

    Putin cultivates an outdoor, sporty, tough guy public image, demonstrating his physical prowess and taking part in unusual or dangerous acts, such as extreme sports and interaction with wild animals,[368] part of a public relations approach that, according to Wired, “deliberately cultivates the macho, take-charge superhero image” Notable examples of Putin’s adventures include:[376] flying military jets, demonstrating martial arts, riding horses, rafting, and fishing and swimming in a cold Siberian river, many of which he did bare chested.[370] Other examples are descending in a deepwater submersible, tranquilizing tigers and polar bears,[370][377][378] riding a motorbike,[379] co-piloting a firefighting plane to dump water on a raging fire,[369] shooting darts at whales from a crossbow for eco-tracking,[380] driving a race car,[376][381] scuba diving at an archaeological site,[371][382] attempting to lead endangered cranes in a motorized hang glider,[383] and catching large fish.[384][385]

    “He was expert at reading and manipulating people and was unfazed by violence,” writes Katusa. “These were indispensable qualities for anyone out to make his way to the top of the Russian political pile.”

    He flown a fighter plane. He threaten to flush terrorists down the toilet. He won Chechnya war, Georgia war, took back Crimean under murkans eyes, screwed West & Israel terrorists in Syria war…

    In March 2018, during his annual address to Parliament, Putin boasted of new weaponry that would render NATO defenses “completely worthless,” including a low-flying nuclear-capable cruise missile with “unlimited” range and another one capable of traveling at hypersonic speed. His demonstration included video animation of attacks on the U.S., ratcheting up tensions with Washington

    The only man in earth can threaten to annihilate murkans if their rott heads decide to risk attack Russia.

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    • Replies: @FB
    Well said TT...always enjoy your Confucian take on geopolitics...

    Also appreciate the pictures...you may have missed this one of Macron...


    https://journal-neo.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/866719-740.jpg


    They say he is trying to be like Putin...but the leash gets in the way...

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  • TT says:
    @22pp22
    The Japanese killed my grandmother's brother. We nuked Hiroshima. We sold opium to the Chinese in 1840. Mao starved millions of his own people to death in 1960.

    There has to be a statute of limitations on hatred.

    I have never met a Japanese who wanted to kill me. I get the impression that one or two of the Chinese commenters here would still a knife into me and look into my eyes as my life ebbed away screaming: "Karma's a bitch!"

    Denk is a Crusader of FukusIndia lies, nothing more. One day he might get a honary citizenship awarded by Xi for his tiresome work since 1998(wow, i actually read his comment in 1999 for Tiananmen).

    When one day your jp neighbors without provocation, sneak up into your house, slaughter all your sons, rape all your daughters & wife, and crow about it, you might find hard to forgive huh? But you nuke jp, more ruthless, so ok.

    Im quite sure Chinese has no hesitation to see Jp dissappear if they could, consider jp still trying to honor war crimes, denied atrocity, gang up with US & Indians to sabotage it. It require a sane jp PM to apologize sincerely, atone, and patch up in goodwill with Chinese & Koreans.

    People are forgiving to sincere repentance. German did that, but jp try to chge history by rewriting school textbook. The murkans said we nuke their military(brigade of women & children) to save more innocent soldiers life, let’s move on. War criminals forgive lesser war criminals.

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    Was that in the Guardian ?
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  • TT says:
    @denk
    I hope he wasnt dragged away by men in uniform in the middle of the night, this kind of stuff is very common in India, you know.. that 'world's largest democracy'
    heheheh

    Anyway if you'r interested I've a story to tell,....

    Over the years ,I came across and got aquainted with quite a numbers of whitey tourists , they initially claimed to come from Canada, Oz,....etc , whatever.
    but after a few drinks , they got loosened out and confided that they'r actually murkkans.

    I say 'what the hell would you wanna do that for, are you ashamed of your own country ?


    They'd nod sheepishly,
    'Our country has gotten into such a bad name these days, bombing countries, extra judicial killings,the lot,...you know,
    we've learned to cover our ass when abroad , to save ourselves some embarrassment'

    I chuckled and told them I could understand that, we then got on to rounds of murkka bashing over drinks and generally had a good time.

    I'd say these guys had the right kind of attitude !

    And yet.......

    There'r those who figure its China that needs to be reigned in...

    From reddit,
    'Why aint the Chinese rising up against Xi the tyrant ' ?

    Hey honey,
    'Could it be that the Chinese like what Xi is doing , perchance ' ? [1]

    Which begs the question,

    Why aint there no more anti wars protests in the five eyes , do the anglos all support fukus perpetual wars for profit ?

    Jim Jones, gt, care to tell us when was the last time you protest on fukus killing spree ???

    In this world, it really takes all kinds...

    hehehe

    Malla is in UK, is Indian RAW hands that long? May be, Assange is still illegally lock up in Estonia Embassy.

    We had an encounter with Indian RAW. They qn about our present in their remote area. The American took a photo of their supervisor & said, i’m Murkans your soulmate. Loo… magic word, they dissappear.

    I haven’t met any Chinese that is disapproval of Xi performance yet. Only some websites by murkans stooge paid Chinese dissidents, crowing everything Chinese has achieved is propaganda. When a nation has 80% approval rate like China & Russia, its formidable, West can only wet dream about it.

    50% murkans don’t vote, 50% divide betw 2 moronic puppet parties & powerless tea party. Less than 25% votes winning is what they called demoncrapcy. At least EU still can have some opposition to fight back deep states destructive immigration policy.

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    Wow, from your language, you are clearly a crazy person who is pretty stupid. Sure, good at whining.

    So, keep whining.
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  • @22pp22
    I do understand. My loathing for our deep state is beyond words. More than anything, I feel they have made me complicit in their crimes in the Middle East, especially the second Invasion of Iraq and the destruction of Yemen.

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms.

    I do not want to see roles reversed.

    China's economic development is easy to explain. Deng Xiaoping took the shackles off the Chinese economy gave the country a modern infrastructure and Chinese IQ did the rest.

    Western economic success is actually harder to explain. There are fewer than us than there are of you and yet we still produce a lot of top-quality scientific innovation despite our slightly lower IQs.

    Many Western Europeans mock the Russians, yet they are smart enough to put rockets into space and built top-quality military hardware. Some of it is down to their Jewish minority, but the contribution of Slavs is also huge.

    I look at white rural New Zealand, small-town Bavaria, even Thessaloniki in Greece and I do not see failed, crime-ridden hell-holes. Crime is so rare in Cyprus it makes Japan feel like Chicago in the 1920's.

    What is wrong with our society can be summed up as 1) a bad relationship with alcohol and 2) obesity.

    I want our universities to train our doctors and engineers,not other people's.

    TT is a proud Singaporean and that is a good thing, but Singapore is a city state and so I think it should be left out of international comparisons the same way that Luxembourg and Monaco should be.

    You might find the following data instructive.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/256642/the-20-countries-with-the-highest-trade-surplus/

    Italy, the Netherlands and Ireland are no more blessed with natural resources than South Korea.

    Also, I am aware that Chinese people are not perfect. They have flaws. That's not racist, it's simply a function of the fact that they are human. The idea that we will not be trodden on if we lie face down in the first is simply silly.

    Godfree Robert is a self-loathing Westerner. They get on my nerves - as does this puff-piece on Xi Jinping. No human is perfect, not even a man with the smarts to rise to the leadership of the world's biggest county.

    Vladimir Putin's achievements rival Xi Jinping's in that he turned around a country that was on the verge of imploding, but I've never seen a pro-Putin puff-piece to rival this.

    ” I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms.”

    “I do not want to see roles reversed. ”

    “The idea that we will not be trodden on if we lie face down in the first is simply silly.”

    Spoken like a true psychopathic hypocrite. You are tasting some of this roles reversal in the south china sea right now. Best thing of all, china didn’t even have to fire a single bullet and the empire’s mighty navy can only play chicken.

    If you stick around a little longer, there is just a slim chance you may see your passion about colonialism come true when the PLA or the russian army march into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and 10 Downing Street.

    And I am sure you’d love it just as much when the PLA trooper grinds his heel into you face and shove the other one into your ass.

    I bet you’d enjoy it just as much when your limbs are sawn-off and reattached with somebody else’s without anesthesia.

    How about being injected with typhoid, malaria, dengue, syphillis, gonorrhea, ebola, SARS, H5N1 just to see how you hold up to these wonderful germs, heh?

    Not enough? Get a dose of VX, anthrax, Sarin, maybe even polonium or depleted uranium?

    Maybe you would laugh and encourage your colonial masters when your daughters, wife and other female friends were raped and sodomized and then have iron rods and branches stuffed into their vaginas and rectums. I bet you will be the first in line to patronize them when they are turned into comfort women. You would cheer to the high heavens when pregnant women’s bellies are slit open and their fetuses thrown into the air for bayonet practice, won’t you?

    You would even volunteer for a campaign to spray the countryside with agent orange so that you will have a chance to eat the GMO grown wheat, soybeans, barley, rice, fruits because they are soooo nutritious won’t you?

    See, colonialism is so much fun…when you wouldn’t feel guilty about it.

    But then again, chinese have a silly thing about not doing to others what you don’t want others to do unto you. Sorry, to raise your hope so high…

    But if you continue to poke china in the eye whenever the itch strikes, you may just be the first to get a taste of their brand new hypersonic ICBM (DF17) delivered to your doorstep with guidance from the BEIDOU satellite navigation system in less than 14 minutes. If this is not enough for your colonial fetishes, the PLAN can send a few dozens 094 nuclear ballistic missile subs off the artic, atlantic and pacific coasts to keep you warm in the cold winter.

    ” Western economic success is actually harder to explain. There are fewer than us than there are of you and yet we still produce a lot of top-quality scientific innovation despite our slightly lower IQs. ”
    Its really not that hard to explain. But I supposed by now I may not be able to prevail on you to check out the twenty something volumes of Joseph Needham’s “SCIENCE AND CIVILIZATION IN CHINA” which (as a prequel for you) was the basis for a large part of the industrial revolutions in europe that brought the west out of the dark ages. But if you are interested, they can be found in the university of cambridge in good old mother england.

    When he was asked what he taught of the french revolution, former premier zhou enlai said it was too early to tell. All of europe, ex-roman empire have only less than 2000 years. The empire of chaos has less than 300. The chinese civilization has not only survived the last 5,000 years of bloody and inhuman invasions by the west and the japs, internal revolutions, natural calamities and the progress of time, it has expanded and thrive with its unique culture and its own system of governance. As for the empire of chaos, I am sorry to say that looking at the way it is being run today, I highly doubt it will make it to the next 300 in one piece.

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    I have forgiven the Mongols. Now I forgive you for you highly intemperate outburst. You say:

    Maybe you would laugh and encourage your colonial masters when your daughters, wife and other female friends were raped and sodomized and then have iron rods and branches stuffed into their vaginas and rectums. I bet you will be the first in line to patronize them when they are turned into comfort women. You would cheer to the high heavens when pregnant women’s bellies are slit open and their fetuses thrown into the air for bayonet practice, won’t you?

    You certainly have a vivid imagination. I really wouldn't laugh if I saw any of those things. I am not like you.
    , @22pp22
    Ancient China is a fascinating civilization.

    But Joseph Needham? Come on! The man was caught in one lie after another. He was delusional. He said that Aztec culture was clearly inspired by China.

    An no Chinese people did not split the atom or invent the aeroplane. Westerners did.

    , @Daniel Chieh
    He will experience the future, one way or another. Slamming words on the keyboard won't change anything. In a way, its perhaps particularly just given his basically evil attitude that he gets to suffer it far more than someone who is more enlightened. He chose suffering, and in that, there is much karma.

    In the end, selfishness and evil becomes its own punishment.

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  • @Daniel Chieh
    Xi? No, not really. He is arguably a puritan, which has its own problems but it does mean that he's pretty aggressive. Richard Mcgregor wrote that there's basically a section of the Party which is made up of humorless, relatively poor inquisitorial types who get their only joy in life in hunting down their fellows who might be enjoying life too much. They're very enthusiastic anti-corruption types: "I am not enjoying my life, and neither will you."

    Aggrieved complaints about those who are not conforming to narrowly defined rules is common in Singapore. It is also a common aspect of traditional village life.

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  • @denk
    I thought you understand,

    That karma is the white genocide administered by TPTB, your 'deep state' globalists.

    I do understand. My loathing for our deep state is beyond words. More than anything, I feel they have made me complicit in their crimes in the Middle East, especially the second Invasion of Iraq and the destruction of Yemen.

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms.

    I do not want to see roles reversed.

    China’s economic development is easy to explain. Deng Xiaoping took the shackles off the Chinese economy gave the country a modern infrastructure and Chinese IQ did the rest.

    Western economic success is actually harder to explain. There are fewer than us than there are of you and yet we still produce a lot of top-quality scientific innovation despite our slightly lower IQs.

    Many Western Europeans mock the Russians, yet they are smart enough to put rockets into space and built top-quality military hardware. Some of it is down to their Jewish minority, but the contribution of Slavs is also huge.

    I look at white rural New Zealand, small-town Bavaria, even Thessaloniki in Greece and I do not see failed, crime-ridden hell-holes. Crime is so rare in Cyprus it makes Japan feel like Chicago in the 1920′s.

    What is wrong with our society can be summed up as 1) a bad relationship with alcohol and 2) obesity.

    I want our universities to train our doctors and engineers,not other people’s.

    TT is a proud Singaporean and that is a good thing, but Singapore is a city state and so I think it should be left out of international comparisons the same way that Luxembourg and Monaco should be.

    You might find the following data instructive.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/256642/the-20-countries-with-the-highest-trade-surplus/

    Italy, the Netherlands and Ireland are no more blessed with natural resources than South Korea.

    Also, I am aware that Chinese people are not perfect. They have flaws. That’s not racist, it’s simply a function of the fact that they are human. The idea that we will not be trodden on if we lie face down in the first is simply silly.

    Godfree Robert is a self-loathing Westerner. They get on my nerves – as does this puff-piece on Xi Jinping. No human is perfect, not even a man with the smarts to rise to the leadership of the world’s biggest county.

    Vladimir Putin’s achievements rival Xi Jinping’s in that he turned around a country that was on the verge of imploding, but I’ve never seen a pro-Putin puff-piece to rival this.

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    " I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms."

    "I do not want to see roles reversed. "

    "The idea that we will not be trodden on if we lie face down in the first is simply silly."

    Spoken like a true psychopathic hypocrite. You are tasting some of this roles reversal in the south china sea right now. Best thing of all, china didn't even have to fire a single bullet and the empire's mighty navy can only play chicken.

    If you stick around a little longer, there is just a slim chance you may see your passion about colonialism come true when the PLA or the russian army march into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and 10 Downing Street.

    And I am sure you'd love it just as much when the PLA trooper grinds his heel into you face and shove the other one into your ass.

    I bet you'd enjoy it just as much when your limbs are sawn-off and reattached with somebody else's without anesthesia.

    How about being injected with typhoid, malaria, dengue, syphillis, gonorrhea, ebola, SARS, H5N1 just to see how you hold up to these wonderful germs, heh?

    Not enough? Get a dose of VX, anthrax, Sarin, maybe even polonium or depleted uranium?

    Maybe you would laugh and encourage your colonial masters when your daughters, wife and other female friends were raped and sodomized and then have iron rods and branches stuffed into their vaginas and rectums. I bet you will be the first in line to patronize them when they are turned into comfort women. You would cheer to the high heavens when pregnant women's bellies are slit open and their fetuses thrown into the air for bayonet practice, won't you?

    You would even volunteer for a campaign to spray the countryside with agent orange so that you will have a chance to eat the GMO grown wheat, soybeans, barley, rice, fruits because they are soooo nutritious won't you?

    See, colonialism is so much fun...when you wouldn't feel guilty about it.

    But then again, chinese have a silly thing about not doing to others what you don't want others to do unto you. Sorry, to raise your hope so high...

    But if you continue to poke china in the eye whenever the itch strikes, you may just be the first to get a taste of their brand new hypersonic ICBM (DF17) delivered to your doorstep with guidance from the BEIDOU satellite navigation system in less than 14 minutes. If this is not enough for your colonial fetishes, the PLAN can send a few dozens 094 nuclear ballistic missile subs off the artic, atlantic and pacific coasts to keep you warm in the cold winter.


    " Western economic success is actually harder to explain. There are fewer than us than there are of you and yet we still produce a lot of top-quality scientific innovation despite our slightly lower IQs. "
    Its really not that hard to explain. But I supposed by now I may not be able to prevail on you to check out the twenty something volumes of Joseph Needham's "SCIENCE AND CIVILIZATION IN CHINA" which (as a prequel for you) was the basis for a large part of the industrial revolutions in europe that brought the west out of the dark ages. But if you are interested, they can be found in the university of cambridge in good old mother england.

    When he was asked what he taught of the french revolution, former premier zhou enlai said it was too early to tell. All of europe, ex-roman empire have only less than 2000 years. The empire of chaos has less than 300. The chinese civilization has not only survived the last 5,000 years of bloody and inhuman invasions by the west and the japs, internal revolutions, natural calamities and the progress of time, it has expanded and thrive with its unique culture and its own system of governance. As for the empire of chaos, I am sorry to say that looking at the way it is being run today, I highly doubt it will make it to the next 300 in one piece.
    , @TT

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms. I do not want to see roles reversed.
     
    In 2040, the West was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the East was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms. But don't you colonize me & have no modest sense of guilt. Its ok if i f**k your wife & daughter, but don't you touch mine....that's white mentality.

    Godfree Robert is a self-loathing Westerner. They get on my nerves – as does this puff-piece on Xi Jinping. No human is perfect, not even a man with the smarts to rise to the leadership of the world’s biggest county.
     
    I would said Godfrey is rare realistic westerner, telling his foolish kins to look straight at Truth. You can't cover your own eyes to make others can't see you. The West is naked emperor now, Godfrey called it out.

    Vladimir Putin’s achievements rival Xi Jinping’s in that he turned around a country that was on the verge of imploding, but I’ve never seen a pro-Putin puff-piece to rival this.
     
    You ought to be kidding, Putin has much colourful profile story that make Xi look like a boring old dish washer in Chinatown.

    But Putin has no vision for the world like Xi, he is very much on Russian rise to super power & won't hesitate to throw his allies under bus if West agreed to give him an equal seat in the eminent vultures club, G8 less China.

    Now read these.

    http://eng.putin.kremlin.ru/bio

    https://www.biography.com/.amp/people/vladimir-putin-9448807

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin




    Putin paternal grandfather, Spiridon Ivanovich Putin, a skilled cook who worked for Lenin, then Stalin. Father was a ww2 soldier.

    He was high flyer in study, enrol in law, St Petersburg Uni. A Judo black belts. Joint most elite KGB1 as foreign intelligence officer for 16 years, rising to Lieutenant Colonel,.. joint politics, become assistant to rector of uni, do Phd ...joined President Boris Yeltsin's administration, rising quickly in 8yrs to become Pres of Russia.

    He was Director of the Federal Security Service (FSB), successor to the KGB.[62]

    Putin cultivates an outdoor, sporty, tough guy public image, demonstrating his physical prowess and taking part in unusual or dangerous acts, such as extreme sports and interaction with wild animals,[368] part of a public relations approach that, according to Wired, "deliberately cultivates the macho, take-charge superhero image" Notable examples of Putin's adventures include:[376] flying military jets, demonstrating martial arts, riding horses, rafting, and fishing and swimming in a cold Siberian river, many of which he did bare chested.[370] Other examples are descending in a deepwater submersible, tranquilizing tigers and polar bears,[370][377][378] riding a motorbike,[379] co-piloting a firefighting plane to dump water on a raging fire,[369] shooting darts at whales from a crossbow for eco-tracking,[380] driving a race car,[376][381] scuba diving at an archaeological site,[371][382] attempting to lead endangered cranes in a motorized hang glider,[383] and catching large fish.[384][385]


    “He was expert at reading and manipulating people and was unfazed by violence,” writes Katusa. “These were indispensable qualities for anyone out to make his way to the top of the Russian political pile.”

    He flown a fighter plane. He threaten to flush terrorists down the toilet. He won Chechnya war, Georgia war, took back Crimean under murkans eyes, screwed West & Israel terrorists in Syria war...

    In March 2018, during his annual address to Parliament, Putin boasted of new weaponry that would render NATO defenses "completely worthless," including a low-flying nuclear-capable cruise missile with "unlimited" range and another one capable of traveling at hypersonic speed. His demonstration included video animation of attacks on the U.S., ratcheting up tensions with Washington
     
    The only man in earth can threaten to annihilate murkans if their rott heads decide to risk attack Russia.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bRSESIHoFog/hqdefault.jpg


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#/media/File:Vladimir_Putin_Cockpit_TU-160_Bomber.jpg

    https://www.desktopbackground.org/download/1280x1024/2010/08/02/57826_vladimir-putin_2880x1800_h.jpg

    http://big5kayakchallenge.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/beautiful-vladimir-putin-memes-putin-riding-a-bear-blank-template-imgflip-vladimir-putin-memes.jpg
    , @Joe Wong
    We are now living in a rapidly changing world...Peace, development, cooperation and mutual benefit have become the trend of our times. To keep up with the times, we cannot have ourselves physically living in the 21st century, but with a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by zero-sum Cold War mentality.

    The West (Europeans and their offshoots like the American, Aussie, etc.) is where is now, because of those hundreds of millions of people all over the world who were robbed and murdered, those who become victims of their very madness of colonialism and orientalism, of the crusades and the slave and Opium trades. Cathedrals and palaces, museums and theatres, train stations – all had been constructed on horrid foundations of bones and blood, and amalgamated by tears.

    The West squandered all the wealth they obtained thru stealing, looting and murdering hundreds of millions of people all over the world in the scrabbling of a dog-eat-dog play rough over the monopoly to plunder the rest of the world through two World Wars, one on the edge of Armageddon, and on the verge of another Armageddon. It proves the West is incapable of bringing peace and prosperity to the mankind because of their flawed culture, civilization and religion. The chaos and suffering of the world in the last few hundreds of years under the dominance the West proves they are a failure.

    Human beings deserve better, we need to depart from the chaotic and harmful world order and path established by the moronic West. China proposed a new way of life, a win-win approach for the wellbeing of mankind like Belt-Road-Initiative to build and trade the world into peace, harmony and prosperity. The West should not be the obstacle for achieving such refreshing winner for all initiative. The West should embrace the new approach proposed by China because the West will benefit from it. 22pp22, let go the old, obsolete, failed and detrimental believe passed onto you by your colonialist forebears please, welcome the new era.
    , @denk
    I see that TT and Kauchai have beaten me to it,
    but your proclaimation does begs more questions,

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms.
     
    Migt make right is ok for us !

    I do not want to see roles reversed.
     
    but not for the Chinese etc.....

    To hell with the multi-polar world,
    Long live to Pax murkka !

    I guess you support the asia pivot, the quad machination,
    to nip the yellow peril in its bud eh ?
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  • @Che Guava
    Thank you, God-free.

    Polite and informative reply, you likely are correct about his failure at engineering. Just a certificate of completion, not a degree. Not worth checking, in any case.

    Wanted to check your other point, so asking my good friend and neighbour from PRC which version of the other part he is believing, was Xi arrested and sent back, or kindly uncle and aunt to advising the young Xi to go back?

    My friend had no hesitation to say that the former is generally believed, and the latter most unlikely.

    God-free, I am agreeing about much you say about The Great Helmsman, but you go too far to excuse things.

    Personally, I think it is a shame that Deng ever assumed the 'Proletarian Mandate of Heaven', I like parts of his style, love of cigarettes, but his programme was revenge for his exile.

    So, as you would know, rural school and health systems destroyed, in a very narrow frame of time. The Party princelings, like earlier versions of Xi, established in power.

    You can not having it both ways, but you are trying to propagandise both. Anybody with reason can see.

    If one does not want to stay, you cannot make him stay for more than ten years, and participated hard labour work wholeheartedly to improve the locals living conditions and became the chief of the village. You should know there were no walls and shackles to tie him down, if he was forced back against his will, he would run again like all normal kids would do, during that chaotic time there were plenty of places he could go. It seems you are so deep in the ideology that you even don’t know you have one, and you are so eagerly to fill your old days of colonialism and zero-sum cold war mindset you just take any hearsay as the last straw. You should know not everybody like the Westerners who only believes zero-sum, beggar-thy-neighbour, materialistic and morally defunct; serving-the-people is out of their mind frame and not in their dictionary.

    What do you mean that rural school and health system were destroyed? It was a culture revolution, the old establishment was corrupted like the ones before liberation, and it needed to be overhauled to save the new China which was established on very high cost. Even the victims like Deng agreed the idea was correct but the mean was a bit radical. It was Chinese internal affairs it is not up to you the Gweilo to verdict, just like the French Revolution, American Civil War and English Civil War, it is not up to Chinese to denounce them as barbaric and evil.

    You should know the whole world’s ills is created by the ‘god-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘puritans’ who have been meddling other people’s business with treachery and organized violence, and rewriting other people’s history based on their own evil imagination and construct, it is the Gweilo who cannot see the log in their eyes.

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  • @22pp22
    The Japanese killed my grandmother's brother. We nuked Hiroshima. We sold opium to the Chinese in 1840. Mao starved millions of his own people to death in 1960.

    There has to be a statute of limitations on hatred.

    I have never met a Japanese who wanted to kill me. I get the impression that one or two of the Chinese commenters here would still a knife into me and look into my eyes as my life ebbed away screaming: "Karma's a bitch!"

    Don’t take us wrong, Chinese bloggers have no intention to upset anybody here, Chinese bloggers are here to expose the lies told about China, clear the smear painted on China and correct the distorted facts with truth about China.

    The Westerners have been misguided by their evil imperialist forebear far too long and the majority of them are totally living in a world with a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, constrained by the zero-sum cold war mentality and detached from reality.

    Indeed it is harmful to believe one’s own reality based on the past, out of date and obsolete records, such nostalgia outlook is a sign of falling behind and feeling helplessness. So please do not take Chinese bloggers’ frankness as insult, rebuttal or lecturing.

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  • @22pp22
    The Japanese killed my grandmother's brother. We nuked Hiroshima. We sold opium to the Chinese in 1840. Mao starved millions of his own people to death in 1960.

    There has to be a statute of limitations on hatred.

    I have never met a Japanese who wanted to kill me. I get the impression that one or two of the Chinese commenters here would still a knife into me and look into my eyes as my life ebbed away screaming: "Karma's a bitch!"

    I thought you understand,

    That karma is the white genocide administered by TPTB, your ‘deep state’ globalists.

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    I do understand. My loathing for our deep state is beyond words. More than anything, I feel they have made me complicit in their crimes in the Middle East, especially the second Invasion of Iraq and the destruction of Yemen.

    I do not feel guilty about colonialism. In 1860, Qing China was stuck at medieval levels off economic development and the West was so far ahead it could simply dictate terms.

    I do not want to see roles reversed.

    China's economic development is easy to explain. Deng Xiaoping took the shackles off the Chinese economy gave the country a modern infrastructure and Chinese IQ did the rest.

    Western economic success is actually harder to explain. There are fewer than us than there are of you and yet we still produce a lot of top-quality scientific innovation despite our slightly lower IQs.

    Many Western Europeans mock the Russians, yet they are smart enough to put rockets into space and built top-quality military hardware. Some of it is down to their Jewish minority, but the contribution of Slavs is also huge.

    I look at white rural New Zealand, small-town Bavaria, even Thessaloniki in Greece and I do not see failed, crime-ridden hell-holes. Crime is so rare in Cyprus it makes Japan feel like Chicago in the 1920's.

    What is wrong with our society can be summed up as 1) a bad relationship with alcohol and 2) obesity.

    I want our universities to train our doctors and engineers,not other people's.

    TT is a proud Singaporean and that is a good thing, but Singapore is a city state and so I think it should be left out of international comparisons the same way that Luxembourg and Monaco should be.

    You might find the following data instructive.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/256642/the-20-countries-with-the-highest-trade-surplus/

    Italy, the Netherlands and Ireland are no more blessed with natural resources than South Korea.

    Also, I am aware that Chinese people are not perfect. They have flaws. That's not racist, it's simply a function of the fact that they are human. The idea that we will not be trodden on if we lie face down in the first is simply silly.

    Godfree Robert is a self-loathing Westerner. They get on my nerves - as does this puff-piece on Xi Jinping. No human is perfect, not even a man with the smarts to rise to the leadership of the world's biggest county.

    Vladimir Putin's achievements rival Xi Jinping's in that he turned around a country that was on the verge of imploding, but I've never seen a pro-Putin puff-piece to rival this.
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  • @22pp22
    When I was a child, I used to enjoy tormenting my elder brother. Eventually, he wised up and stopped taking the bait.

    When I lived in Costa Rica, out neighbours had a dog and a troop a carablanca monkeys would enjoy climbing through the trees over its kennel and shitting on its head. It would go berserk and never wised up.

    I know it's childish, but now when I need someone to torment, I go on line and sing the praises of the Japanese to Chinese and Koreans.

    I know it’s childish, but now when I need someone to torment, I go on line and sing the praises of the Japanese to Chinese and Koreans.

    The joke is on you…they’ve been feeding you B.S. all these years,’
    ehhhhehhe

    http://original.antiwar.com/john-v-walsh/2013/02/03/us-goading-japan-into-confrontation-with-china/

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  • @22pp22
    Okinawa?

    I know Okinawa well. There are a couple of US bases on the island, but apart from that just about everyone is Okinawan.

    They have lost a good deal of their culture and the Uchinaa language has been completely replaced by Japanese, but the population has changed very little.

    Jeju is Korean now and always have been. They're also incomprehensible. I am not sure even other Koreans understand them.

    Is there any ethnic group in the whole history of the world that has never conquered another? Mongols burned and slaughtered their way through Eastern Europe and Muslims conquered Spain and the Balkans. What I resent is that we are being conquered by weaklings (ie Muslims) and you are right, that is not the fault of the weaklings, it is the fault of out own scumbag politicians.

    I have long since forgiven the Japanese and the Germans for WWII. My grandmother hated Japanese till the day she died, but I think the time has long since passed for that.

    I have lived in Japan for a while, after a few bottle of Sake, the Japanese started to brag, they had not forgotten Australia as their Tennō (天皇)’s gift, they said the land is polluted and it’s contamination by the barbarian ex-convicts needs to be purified and returned Australia to whom it belonged, the Asian. Those Japanese complained that Chinese should work with them then, without the Chinese pinning down their Kwantung Army 關東軍, they would have landed in Australia and purified Australia already. Surprising the Japanese still have not forgotte that dream about Australia after 75 years of the war.

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  • @Daniel Chieh
    My father always taught me that dogs bark at man, but it does not mean that man needs to bark at dogs.

    Ignore trolls.

    Over the years I’ve reformed and salvaged quite a number of
    brainwashed whiteys in various forums, all very grateful for
    the deliverance.

    Im still working on 22p.

    P.s.

    Woz is improving, quite impressive/

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    Who is woz?
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  • @TT
    Its sadist, not childish. Jap war crimes are very cruel to Asians, China & Korean got the blunt. Many of my country folks are massacre too, Chinese ethnic was main resisting force in SEAsia.

    Contribute your last part of life wisely for truth & peace, not waste it like a fool shitting BS on innocents head. Its your lunatic gov deserve your attention. Turnbull has gone berserk harming its own nation. Nz will be nxt coerced by Fukus.

    The Japanese killed my grandmother’s brother. We nuked Hiroshima. We sold opium to the Chinese in 1840. Mao starved millions of his own people to death in 1960.

    There has to be a statute of limitations on hatred.

    I have never met a Japanese who wanted to kill me. I get the impression that one or two of the Chinese commenters here would still a knife into me and look into my eyes as my life ebbed away screaming: “Karma’s a bitch!”

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    I thought you understand,

    That karma is the white genocide administered by TPTB, your 'deep state' globalists.
    , @Joe Wong
    Don’t take us wrong, Chinese bloggers have no intention to upset anybody here, Chinese bloggers are here to expose the lies told about China, clear the smear painted on China and correct the distorted facts with truth about China.

    The Westerners have been misguided by their evil imperialist forebear far too long and the majority of them are totally living in a world with a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, constrained by the zero-sum cold war mentality and detached from reality.

    Indeed it is harmful to believe one’s own reality based on the past, out of date and obsolete records, such nostalgia outlook is a sign of falling behind and feeling helplessness. So please do not take Chinese bloggers’ frankness as insult, rebuttal or lecturing.
    , @TT
    Denk is a Crusader of FukusIndia lies, nothing more. One day he might get a honary citizenship awarded by Xi for his tiresome work since 1998(wow, i actually read his comment in 1999 for Tiananmen).

    When one day your jp neighbors without provocation, sneak up into your house, slaughter all your sons, rape all your daughters & wife, and crow about it, you might find hard to forgive huh? But you nuke jp, more ruthless, so ok.

    Im quite sure Chinese has no hesitation to see Jp dissappear if they could, consider jp still trying to honor war crimes, denied atrocity, gang up with US & Indians to sabotage it. It require a sane jp PM to apologize sincerely, atone, and patch up in goodwill with Chinese & Koreans.

    People are forgiving to sincere repentance. German did that, but jp try to chge history by rewriting school textbook. The murkans said we nuke their military(brigade of women & children) to save more innocent soldiers life, let's move on. War criminals forgive lesser war criminals.
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  • @TT
    Denk, where is your soulmate Malla & your present in another interesting post?

    AaronB:
    I’m just waiting for malla and denk to show up so the real entertainment can begin.

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/#comment-2231736

    I hope he wasnt dragged away by men in uniform in the middle of the night, this kind of stuff is very common in India, you know.. that ‘world’s largest democracy’
    heheheh

    Anyway if you’r interested I’ve a story to tell,….

    Over the years ,I came across and got aquainted with quite a numbers of whitey tourists , they initially claimed to come from Canada, Oz,….etc , whatever.
    but after a few drinks , they got loosened out and confided that they’r actually murkkans.

    I say ‘what the hell would you wanna do that for, are you ashamed of your own country ?

    They’d nod sheepishly,
    ‘Our country has gotten into such a bad name these days, bombing countries, extra judicial killings,the lot,…you know,
    we’ve learned to cover our ass when abroad , to save ourselves some embarrassment’

    I chuckled and told them I could understand that, we then got on to rounds of murkka bashing over drinks and generally had a good time.

    I’d say these guys had the right kind of attitude !

    And yet…….

    There’r those who figure its China that needs to be reigned in…

    From reddit,
    ‘Why aint the Chinese rising up against Xi the tyrant ‘ ?

    Hey honey,
    ‘Could it be that the Chinese like what Xi is doing , perchance ‘ ? [1]

    Which begs the question,

    Why aint there no more anti wars protests in the five eyes , do the anglos all support fukus perpetual wars for profit ?

    Jim Jones, gt, care to tell us when was the last time you protest on fukus killing spree ???

    In this world, it really takes all kinds…

    hehehe

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    Malla is in UK, is Indian RAW hands that long? May be, Assange is still illegally lock up in Estonia Embassy.

    We had an encounter with Indian RAW. They qn about our present in their remote area. The American took a photo of their supervisor & said, i'm Murkans your soulmate. Loo... magic word, they dissappear.

    I haven't met any Chinese that is disapproval of Xi performance yet. Only some websites by murkans stooge paid Chinese dissidents, crowing everything Chinese has achieved is propaganda. When a nation has 80% approval rate like China & Russia, its formidable, West can only wet dream about it.

    50% murkans don't vote, 50% divide betw 2 moronic puppet parties & powerless tea party. Less than 25% votes winning is what they called demoncrapcy. At least EU still can have some opposition to fight back deep states destructive immigration policy.
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  • @denk

    Nice to know what you really think. Diversity is not going to work
     
    Its easy to understand people's angst against a tsunami of foreigners ,
    I know it first hand,
    Its only human .


    I can even understand , tho not empathise, with Malaysia's preferential policies favoring the Malays, afterall, self preservation is a human instinct.

    But,
    I have a hard time empathising with so-called white genocide ....

    Firstly,
    Whiteys like to pick on the Chinese , dont take my words for it, RU is crawling with such Chinese hating white supremacists.

    Secondly, they scream at legit Chinese immigrants,
    even tho they themselves were illegit invaders who ursurped the indigenuous lands in North America/Oz.,/NZ/Hawaii/GUam/Puerto Rico,.

    And the land grabbing continues unabated right into the 21C,
    Diego Garcia,
    Okinawa,
    Jeju island., Iraq, Kosovo, Syria.....
    'Hey Saddat, We'r here to help you fight the ISIS, whether you like it or not' !
    Such hubris !

    The next time whiteys whine about alien invasion,
    remember this....

    Its your 'deep state' , the globalists, which engineered the white genocide in EU and Indian WMM in Sikkim/Nepal/Myanmar/Singapore etc/
    ethnic cleansing in Diego Garcia/Okinawa./Jeju and...........
    purported 'white genocide' at home !

    Confucius sez
    Don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you.

    Karma is a bitch,,,...

    Denk, where is your soulmate Malla & your present in another interesting post?

    AaronB:
    I’m just waiting for malla and denk to show up so the real entertainment can begin.

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/#comment-2231736

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    I hope he wasnt dragged away by men in uniform in the middle of the night, this kind of stuff is very common in India, you know.. that 'world's largest democracy'
    heheheh

    Anyway if you'r interested I've a story to tell,....

    Over the years ,I came across and got aquainted with quite a numbers of whitey tourists , they initially claimed to come from Canada, Oz,....etc , whatever.
    but after a few drinks , they got loosened out and confided that they'r actually murkkans.

    I say 'what the hell would you wanna do that for, are you ashamed of your own country ?


    They'd nod sheepishly,
    'Our country has gotten into such a bad name these days, bombing countries, extra judicial killings,the lot,...you know,
    we've learned to cover our ass when abroad , to save ourselves some embarrassment'

    I chuckled and told them I could understand that, we then got on to rounds of murkka bashing over drinks and generally had a good time.

    I'd say these guys had the right kind of attitude !

    And yet.......

    There'r those who figure its China that needs to be reigned in...

    From reddit,
    'Why aint the Chinese rising up against Xi the tyrant ' ?

    Hey honey,
    'Could it be that the Chinese like what Xi is doing , perchance ' ? [1]

    Which begs the question,

    Why aint there no more anti wars protests in the five eyes , do the anglos all support fukus perpetual wars for profit ?

    Jim Jones, gt, care to tell us when was the last time you protest on fukus killing spree ???

    In this world, it really takes all kinds...

    hehehe
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  • @Bliss

    So more realistic is in 2010 peak 109, Malay&Indian already IQ80-90(still better than India), Chinese & others was actually developed to 114~117 high.
     
    Too stupid and too dishonest.

    Firstly, no chinese nation has been measured at an IQ of 114-117. You are just pulling numbers out of your ass to avoid facing reality.

    Secondly, according to your own link Singapore IQ increased from 105 in 2003 to 109 in 2010. And according to the data you posted (I reprint it below) the Chinese population in Singapore decreased from 76.8% in 2000 to 74.1% in 2010 while the Indian population increased from 7.9% to 9.2% in the same time span. That does not support your claim that Indians and Malays are lowering Singapore’s IQ does it?



    Ethnic group 1970 [45] 1980 [45] 1990 [11] 2000 [11] 2010 [11] 2011 [11] 2012 [11] 2013 [11] 2015 [46]

    Chinese 77.0% 78.3% 77.8% 76.8% 74.1% 74.1% 74.2% 74.2% 74.3%
    Malays 14.8% 14.4% 14.0% 13.9% 13.4% 13.4% 13.3% 13.3% 13.3%
    Indians 7.0% 6.3% 7.1% 7.9% 9.2% 9.2% 9.2% 9.1% 9.1%
    Others 1.2% 1.0% 1.1% 1.4% 3.3% 3.3% 3.3% 3.3% 3.2%

    TT, I am not to quoting from Wiki, and, as I was saying in my reply to God-free, it is a question

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  • Thank you, God-free.

    Polite and informative reply, you likely are correct about his failure at engineering. Just a certificate of completion, not a degree. Not worth checking, in any case.

    Wanted to check your other point, so asking my good friend and neighbour from PRC which version of the other part he is believing, was Xi arrested and sent back, or kindly uncle and aunt to advising the young Xi to go back?

    My friend had no hesitation to say that the former is generally believed, and the latter most unlikely.

    God-free, I am agreeing about much you say about The Great Helmsman, but you go too far to excuse things.

    Personally, I think it is a shame that Deng ever assumed the ‘Proletarian Mandate of Heaven’, I like parts of his style, love of cigarettes, but his programme was revenge for his exile.

    So, as you would know, rural school and health systems destroyed, in a very narrow frame of time. The Party princelings, like earlier versions of Xi, established in power.

    You can not having it both ways, but you are trying to propagandise both. Anybody with reason can see.

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    If one does not want to stay, you cannot make him stay for more than ten years, and participated hard labour work wholeheartedly to improve the locals living conditions and became the chief of the village. You should know there were no walls and shackles to tie him down, if he was forced back against his will, he would run again like all normal kids would do, during that chaotic time there were plenty of places he could go. It seems you are so deep in the ideology that you even don't know you have one, and you are so eagerly to fill your old days of colonialism and zero-sum cold war mindset you just take any hearsay as the last straw. You should know not everybody like the Westerners who only believes zero-sum, beggar-thy-neighbour, materialistic and morally defunct; serving-the-people is out of their mind frame and not in their dictionary.

    What do you mean that rural school and health system were destroyed? It was a culture revolution, the old establishment was corrupted like the ones before liberation, and it needed to be overhauled to save the new China which was established on very high cost. Even the victims like Deng agreed the idea was correct but the mean was a bit radical. It was Chinese internal affairs it is not up to you the Gweilo to verdict, just like the French Revolution, American Civil War and English Civil War, it is not up to Chinese to denounce them as barbaric and evil.

    You should know the whole world’s ills is created by the ‘god-fearing’ morally defunct evil ‘puritans’ who have been meddling other people’s business with treachery and organized violence, and rewriting other people’s history based on their own evil imagination and construct, it is the Gweilo who cannot see the log in their eyes.

    , @Godfree Roberts
    I should have been more explicit: the university refused to graduate any of that year's intake of sent down youths because they were not prepared. They all got certificates of completion. I suspect there was a revenge motive, after the Cultural Revolution scared the faculty shitless.

    No doubt Xi's certificate has been upgraded since then.
    , @Godfree Roberts
    Che,

    If you ask a broader question I believe that most answers will support Xi's own account: Did the sent-down kids shuttle back and forth between the countryside and mama's welcoming arms and were they looked down on by the peasantry for that reason? A lot of peasants came to see the sent-down thing as just another Beijing boondoggle, something to occupy the wannabe Red Guards. Also, we have Xi's own testimony and he's never been known to tell a lie.

    Why do you say, "you go too far to excuse things" when (a) I don't excuse anything (though my explanations may be new to you) and (b) you offer no evidence that I 'go too far'?

    And why do you not use my name when addressing me? It looks like a dumb form of ad hominem.

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  • TT says:
    @pogohere
    Soft Power: Rising Chinese Dominance In The Sciences

    Analysis by: The Irish Crimean – Padraig Joseph McGrath

    In 2016, for the first time, the People’s Republic of China surpassed the United States in published scientific output. A total of 429,000 scientific papers were published in China. In the United States, the total figure for 2016 was 406,000 published scientific papers.This is an important index of social and economic development, and an index of the shifting balance in geo-political strength. Knowledge-production is not only a key index of geo-political influence – it is also a key contributory factor to it.



    That is to say: knowledge-production is a key component of what is commonly referred to as “soft power.”



    The present debate on the role of language within ideology-transmission as an element of soft-power, is better informed with a view on this process in another civilizational sphere. In this case, we will topically examine that of the Chinese as it emerges onto terrain which until recently was hegemonically dominated by the Anglosphere.



    This essay will base itself in the understanding that language is in itself a vector for pre-discursive ideology-transmission.



    The Chinese very clearly had an understanding of soft power over 2,000 years before Joseph Nye coined that phrase, or before it was popularized by Fukuyama. You see this understanding of soft power implied throughout the Analects, which were compiled during the warring-states period (475 BC-221 BC). An example of such are sayings like: “You don’t need an ox-knife to kill a chicken,”



    One effect of the global spread of the English language as a lingua franca is that it created something approaching an Anglophone monopoly on knowledge-production, and therefore a disproportionate influence on ideology-production, and this in turn had a pernicious geo-political effect.



    At the same time, ideology-production can simply bypass knowledge-production on certain levels. Outside of the Anglophone world, the most irreprarably indoctrinated students are usually those who went to secondary schools which specialized in languages. Thus the students coming out of these schools do not know much on the subjects of physics or chemistry, and they know very little history or geography. Their core-skills are languages – they just subliminally and pre-discursively internalized Atlanticist liberal ideology by learning the English language. This leads us to our central thesis:



    Language in itself is a vector for pre-discursive ideology-transmission. In the English language, this happens on at least three distinct levels.



    Firstly, the grammar of the English language sets reality up as a list of standalone objects.
    Compare the English sentence “There is a desk in the office.” with the German equivalent “Es gibt einen Schreibtisch im Büro,” which literally translates “It gives a desk in the office.”



    So in the German sentence, the desk’s existence is postulated in the following way – the desk is thought to “exist” insofar as it is conferred into existence through its participation in some larger context – something which overarches the desk’s existence “gives it” – that is to say, confers it into existence. Furthermore, there is a loose implication that the desk is a manifestation of this “Es” which “gives” it or confers it into existence…. This way of thinking is inescapable if one happens to think in the German language – nothing simply exists in isolation – everything is part of a larger context. The grammar of the German language is pantheistic.



    On the other hand, in English, the desk is postulated simply as a standalone object – it exists quite independently of any surrounding objects, independently of any social or historical context, independently of any surrounding physical reality – it’s just “there.” English grammar sets up quite a different ontology to German grammar.



    With this in mind, it’s hardly surprising that many of Germany’s most historically noteworthy philosophers and theologians have offered pantheistic interpretations of Christianiaty, and that the empiricist tradition of philosophy and scientific realism have always been more influential in the English-speaking world. Native English-speakers just naturally think that way because that’s just how the grammar of their language cognitively sets reality up for them – objects in the world are just “out there.”



    And, indirectly, this has ideological implications – it impacts on how we discuss history, politics, science, social morality, public policy issues, questions of technocratic or decision-making competence, ways of verifying knowledge, models of social organization, and so forth.



    Secondly, the technical lexicon of the English language, being largely comprised of transliterations from Greek and Latin, is already dehistoricized. That is to say, native English-speakers have great difficulty getting an intimate grasp on the histories of many words which they use, insofar as the Greek and Latin etymological roots of many English words are obscured. For example, most native English-speakers are oblivious to the point that the English word “object” is conventionally taken to mean almost the opposite of what was meant by the Latin “objectus.” This helps to explain why most native English-speakers have such an epistemologically naïve idea of “objectivity,” which also has pernicious ideological implications.



    In most technical disciplines, the German lexicon is mostly morphologically pure German. Many Slavonic languages employ binomial systems of terminology in chemistry, physics, engineering, medicine, etc. In English, however, all we have to work with are words which have been dehistoricized by virtue of having been transliterated from Greek and Latin rather than having been actually translated, morpheme by morpheme, from Greek and Latin. On this basis, it is also arguable that dehistoricization as an ideology in itself, and in particular the dehistoricization of knowledge, are pre-discursively inscribed into the word-stock of the English language. Is it any wonder, then, that so many Anglophone thinkers have interpreted the history of science as a historically linear progression, as “an ever-increasing approximation of the truth?” Furthermore, is it any wonder that so many native English speakers fall into the trap of scientism? Unfortunately, most of scientism’s core articles of faith are pre-discursively inscribed into the English language itself.



    We might go even further.



    Take, for example, the belief which is very widely held by people in the Occident, that all or almost all of history’s enduring scientific and technological ideas are of western origin. In historical terms, this belief is demonstrably nonsense. It is impossible to overstate the impact of what China bequeathed to the world in the fields of metallurgy, agriculture, medicine and astronomy. The first known microbiological theory of disease was first written down in 11th century Uzbekistan. Geology, plate-tectonics, clinical pharmacology and optics, to name but a few disciplines, all developed during the golden age of Islam.



    The mathematization of physics can be traced back to Ibn Al Haytham (11th century). Lomonosov probably discovered oxygen before Lavoisier did, but never published his findings – many of his discoveries were published posthumously. The horse’s bit was probably invented in central Asia. The Romans knew about it, but this simple technological innovation was lost to early medieval Europe – the development of cavalry in early medieval Europe would not have been possible had it not been for its re-discovery through subsequent European contact with Asiatic peoples during the Carolingian period.



    And yet, despite all of the historical evidence to the contrary, most Occidentals believe that all or almost all of history’s enduring scientific and technological ideas are of western origin.



    Who taught them to hold this belief? In most cases, nobody actually taught them.



    Most Occidentals who hold this belief (that all or most of our currently accepted received scientific wisdom is of western origin) were not explicitly told this by any science-teacher, nor did they ever read any article by any historian of science in which any such claim was ever explicitly made. No science-teacher or historian of science ever would tell them that they should believe such a claim, for the simple reason that it would be demonstrably nonsense. Most westerners who believe this simply believe it intuitively. This commonly held belief is partially an intuitive bi-product of the manner in which the English language, the dominant language for scientific publishing, dehistoricizes knowledge.



    This serves as a particularly good example of what I mean by “pre-discursive ideology-transmission.”
    In a nutshell, this concept means that it is not actually necessary to teach people any “doctrine” in order to “indoctrinate” them.



    Actually, we might even say that the most effective way to indoctrinate somebody is by not teaching them any explicit doctrine. Doctrines can be falsified, argued against. If we indoctrinate people by teaching them explicit doctrines, explicit truth-claims about the world, then these doctrines can be itemized and intellectually attacked later. This explicitly doctrinal level of indoctrination is therefore reversible.



    The most effective way to indoctrinate a person, the most irreversible modus of indoctrination, is to carefully avoid teaching them any “doctrine” or “dogma” whatsoever. The most irreversible level of indoctrination is to insidiously inculcate beliefs and other attitudes in people by gaming their processes of intuition – in this case, the indoctrinated person may not even be aware that they hold the belief or attitude in question; they may be unable to articulate it, a point which renders the belief impervious to intellectual attack.
     
    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/03/soft-power-rising-chinese-dominance-sciences/

    One effect of the global spread of the English language as a lingua franca is that it created something approaching an Anglophone monopoly on knowledge-production, and therefore a disproportionate influence on ideology-production, and this in turn had a pernicious geo-political effect.

    For a language to becom dominating, it required dominating influence in geopolitical & economy, cultural & may be spiritual too.

    Anglo was successful bcos of British empire, follow by US. When i was young, Japanese, French & German were also actively promoting their language, but English is simply too dominating. Japan got some success with its cultural influence & industrial might, but all didn’t success in carving out their sphere eventually bcos of US overwhelming influence.

    When China reach the level that consummate its great civilization status, everything will fall naturally into order. Chinese will again become language of elites, as in ancient Jp & Korea pre war time. And Chinese wisdom believe in: knowing ownself & others well, one win every battles. This is better than the Anglos way of indoctrinate ownself, dwelling in hubris that lead to their declination.

    US empire certainly can last long if its continue to built strength instead of squandering away its great wealth in numourous wars for hedgmon. China understand this very well.

    大國崛起 The Rise of the Great Nations. This documentary has reveal China wisdom in its peaceful rising vision.

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  • TT says:

    That’s a model for every world leaders.

    Country & people true welfare come first, not corrupted West capitalist.

    http://www.china.org.cn/china/NPC_CPPCC_2018/2018-03/06/content_50664173.htm

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    Chinese economy has transitioned from a phase of rapid growth to a stage of high-quality development, said Xi, also general secretary of the Communist Party of China (CPC) Central Committee and chairman of the Central Military Commission, warning that old ways of thinking might lead China almost nowhere and miss precious opportunities.

    Local governments should build on their strengths and tap their potential to develop more emerging, high-end, high-value-added and capital-and-technology-intensive industries, putting in place a multi-dimension and multi-pillar modern industrial mix, Xi pointed out.

    He also called on the region to develop modern equipment manufacturing, modern services and other emerging sectors like new material, biomedicine, electronics and information, energy conservation, and environmental protection to lend fresh growth momentum.

    The region should enhance infrastructure development and make full use of its geographical position for better resource allocation and production layout, Xi said.

    Debt risks should be closely watched and effectively prevented, Xi added.

    Xi called for more efforts on environmental protection. The management of mountain, water, forest, land, and lake should be planned as a whole. Important projects should be pushed forward elaborately, including the northwest-north-northeast China networks of shelterbelts.

    The region should try its best to strike a balance between grass and livestock, strengthen desertification prevention and wetland conservation as well as controlling water, air, and soil pollution.

    Xi called for more intensive and precise efforts to help villages with a large number of impoverished residents shake off poverty.

    Efforts should focus on issues like industrial development, employment, infrastructure, public services, and healthcare. The medical security system should be improved to address poverty caused by illness, he said.

    The president said the poverty alleviation fight should be complemented with China’s rural vitalization strategy to improve living conditions of farmers and herdsmen.

    Xi said actions should be taken against corruption and undesirable practices in poverty relief work, while demanding strict punishment for embezzlement of poverty relief funds, and elimination of practices like formalities for formalities’ sake, bureaucratism, and falsification.

    Xi also called for fostering a strong sense of community for the Chinese nation and promoting ethnic solidarity.

    Efforts should be made to encourage all ethnic groups to watch out for and help each other and raise awareness of ethnic unity, so that all ethnic groups could be together “like seeds of a pomegranate,” he said.

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  • TT says:
    @kauchai
    The Chinese Renaissance has already started 40 years ago.

    Chinese science is blazing the trail in quantum communications and computing, semi-conductor based super-computing, new materials, gene therapy, fintech with crack proof facial recognition (unlike the iPhone garden variety), internet commerce, new energy vehicles, etc. Chinese manufacturing prowess already dominates solar power, wind power, thermal power, hydro power and soon to come, methane ice or natural gas hydrate will be mined commercially. Chinese nuclear power generation technology (Hualong I) is being implemented in Pakistan and China as we speak and soon in England and Argentina.

    Where is the empire when china (a third world country with NO DEMOCRACY and NO HUMAN RIGHTS) is leading humanity towards a cleaner and brighter future? (Oh, sorry, its AMERICA FIRST, LOL!)

    Chinese methods of teaching math is being replicated all over the world, even in one of the most revered cauldrons of education, the UK.

    Chinese UCAVs are being used in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Syria to fight ISIS, Al-qaeda, DAESH and whatever names they happened to morph themselves into at the moment with deadly accuracy. Chinese submarines are in or will be in service with the navies of Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Thailand, and more countries are coming on-board. Just ask the israelis how many of their gunboats were sunk by the hezbollahs using chinese anti-ship missiles that were one or two generations older.

    China has already unleashed its "ultra high intellectual elites" and the world can expect more goodies from china in the future. Whether or not china can become the "undisputed world leader" in 20 or 30 years times is not an aspiration of the chinese people nor its leadership. They only aspire to be a "moderately prosperous society by 2020" and " a strong and prosperous country" by 2049. Nowhere in this have they mentioned "undisputed world leader" by "regime change"," color revolutions", "economic sanctions", "if you are not with us, you are against us", "pre-emptive strikes", etc, etc.

    Why? Because china does not have DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS and UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE bullshit to deliver.

    Why? Because china does not have DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS and UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE bullshit to deliver.

    That’s China essence. No need distract or play by enemy’s rule. Pres Xi team performance is impressive.

    Below will be the greatest contribution to humanity ever if its extended to the world & enshrine into Constitution.

    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1091609.shtml

    As President Xi Jinping’s concept of “building a community(world) with a shared future for humanity” gains ground internationally, China will attach more importance to the five-year-old notion, with a view to finding an ultimate way to world peace.

    At the beginning of March, China is entering its annual political high season. As the country’s top legislature and advisory body gear up for their annual sessions to set the national agenda for the year and beyond, analysts expect the “shared future” concept to be a major theme during this year’s meetings.

    Analysts have suggested that building a community(my word:world) with a shared future for humanity could potentially be proposed to be added to the Constitution, at the two sessions.

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  • TT says:
    @22pp22
    When I was a child, I used to enjoy tormenting my elder brother. Eventually, he wised up and stopped taking the bait.

    When I lived in Costa Rica, out neighbours had a dog and a troop a carablanca monkeys would enjoy climbing through the trees over its kennel and shitting on its head. It would go berserk and never wised up.

    I know it's childish, but now when I need someone to torment, I go on line and sing the praises of the Japanese to Chinese and Koreans.

    Its sadist, not childish. Jap war crimes are very cruel to Asians, China & Korean got the blunt. Many of my country folks are massacre too, Chinese ethnic was main resisting force in SEAsia.

    Contribute your last part of life wisely for truth & peace, not waste it like a fool shitting BS on innocents head. Its your lunatic gov deserve your attention. Turnbull has gone berserk harming its own nation. Nz will be nxt coerced by Fukus.

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    The Japanese killed my grandmother's brother. We nuked Hiroshima. We sold opium to the Chinese in 1840. Mao starved millions of his own people to death in 1960.

    There has to be a statute of limitations on hatred.

    I have never met a Japanese who wanted to kill me. I get the impression that one or two of the Chinese commenters here would still a knife into me and look into my eyes as my life ebbed away screaming: "Karma's a bitch!"
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  • @TT
    Bliss, has i offended you to be call stupid & shameless liar? If you don't understand with your IQ90+, juz ask politely im happy to help.

    This is 1990-2010 Ave score, 105
    https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

    2002-2006 ave, 108
    https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/sg-singapore#

    2003, 2010 Test, 105/109
    https://www.iqtestforfree.net/average-IQ-by-country.html

    2016, 103
    https://list25.com/25-countries-with-the-highest-average-iq/5/

    2018 test, 103
    https://gazettereview.com/2016/06/top-10-most-intelligent-countries-in-the-world/

    There is 5pt declined from year 2010 peak IQ109 Rank1, down to 2018-IQ103 Rank5. I might speculate a large influx of low grade migration. Indians seem to occupy everywhere in Spore now, as Denk pointed out, its Little Delhi. Whereas HK, Taiwan, Japan, Korea kept relatively same ethnics, they remained in Top5 unchange.

    How do you explain the fact that with 25% non-chinese Singapore has a lower crime rate and higher IQ than East Asian nations with hardly any muslim malays and hindu indians?
     
    Although you lack basic manner, but i presume you got stir up by the absurdity of Spore gov immigration policy. So i will try explain in my capacity, if you don't agree fine, but need not insult. If you has difficulty with algebra, then ask someone to help.

    For 2010 ave peak 109, 74%Chinese & 4%others need 112.1 to average out 22% of Malay&Indian 98 (assume they are subpar below 100 as US)

    For 2017, ave IQ103, in extreme case 78%(Chinese & others) no improvement 112.1 , 22%(Malay& Indian) will have to drop from 98 to 80(India ave). This will required a very huge influx of low IQ Indian migrants.

    So more realistic is in 2010 peak 109, Malay&Indian already IQ80-90(still better than India), Chinese & others was actually developed to 114~117 high. That explain how Spore remain highly rank despite of this 22% lower performing minority. What happen in 2017 to cause the 5pt drop, can be speculated as combination of low grade Indians migrants & some standard deviation. Don't ask me why, im not statistician with access to full data.

    So more realistic is in 2010 peak 109, Malay&Indian already IQ80-90(still better than India), Chinese & others was actually developed to 114~117 high.

    Too stupid and too dishonest.

    Firstly, no chinese nation has been measured at an IQ of 114-117. You are just pulling numbers out of your ass to avoid facing reality.

    Secondly, according to your own link Singapore IQ increased from 105 in 2003 to 109 in 2010. And according to the data you posted (I reprint it below) the Chinese population in Singapore decreased from 76.8% in 2000 to 74.1% in 2010 while the Indian population increased from 7.9% to 9.2% in the same time span. That does not support your claim that Indians and Malays are lowering Singapore’s IQ does it?

    Ethnic group 1970 [45] 1980 [45] 1990 [11] 2000 [11] 2010 [11] 2011 [11] 2012 [11] 2013 [11] 2015 [46]

    Chinese 77.0% 78.3% 77.8% 76.8% 74.1% 74.1% 74.2% 74.2% 74.3%
    Malays 14.8% 14.4% 14.0% 13.9% 13.4% 13.4% 13.3% 13.3% 13.3%
    Indians 7.0% 6.3% 7.1% 7.9% 9.2% 9.2% 9.2% 9.1% 9.1%
    Others 1.2% 1.0% 1.1% 1.4% 3.3% 3.3% 3.3% 3.3% 3.2%

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    TT, I am not to quoting from Wiki, and, as I was saying in my reply to God-free, it is a question
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  • TT says:
    @Joe Wong
    Funny you did not troll other fake news about Xi and his family and relatives fabricated by the CIA, NED and their cronies, what happens? CIA, NED and MI6 won't pay if you copy trolls?

    Joe, Che is quoting from Wiki, not his fake troll. Me too read that, Pres Xi was a chemical engr grad from Qinghua. The runaway story, Mr Roberts is more reliable than CIA.

    China is passive in counter propaganda war, everywhere Fukus is smearing China. SCS China bully BS is etched into whole world mind, ..

    But i suspect its china wisdom, juz strive ahead, truth shall prevail. China don’t need to fight with every barking dog slowing down journey. Russia is been cornered bcos too successful in counter propaganda war.

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  • @TT

    And show us where you learned that 10 years ago the population of indians was only 2%.
     
    This i muz apologize for mistaken others 2% as Indian, it should be 6~7% 20+yrs ago, as i had another discussion with Denk over India WMM flooding Spore, i qn how it increase 2% to 9%, no one corrected me so i didn't realized the mistake. Mistake & shameless lying is different, dear Bliss.

    Indian residents however rose to 9.2% in 2010 due to an increase in the number of Indians migrant workers (compared to 7.4% Indians in the figures for citizens).[44]

    Ethnic composition of resident population
    Ethnic group 1970 [45] 1980 [45] 1990 [11] 2000 [11] 2010 [11] 2011 [11] 2012 [11] 2013 [11] 2015 [46]
    Chinese 77.0% 78.3% 77.8% 76.8% 74.1% 74.1% 74.2% 74.2% 74.3%
    Malays 14.8% 14.4% 14.0% 13.9% 13.4% 13.4% 13.3% 13.3% 13.3%
    Indians 7.0% 6.3% 7.1% 7.9% 9.2% 9.2% 9.2% 9.1% 9.1%
    Others 1.2% 1.0% 1.1% 1.4% 3.3% 3.3% 3.3% 3.3% 3.2%
     

    On July 1989 Singapore's 2,674,362 residents were divided into 2,043,213 Chinese (76.4 percent), 398,480 Malays (14.9 percent), 171,160 Indians (6.4 percent), and 61,511 others (2.3 percent).

    2000 census, ethnic Chinese make up 76.8 percent of the population. Malay (13.9 percent), Indian (mostly Tamil, 7.9 percent), or other (1.4 percent).

    There were 3.2 million citizens in 2009.[80] Various Chinese linguistic groups formed 74.2% of Singapore's residents, Malays 13.4%, Indians 9.2%, while Eurasians, Arabs and other groups formed 3.2%.

    2015. The same census also reports that about 74.1% of residents were of Chinese descent, 13.4% of Malay descent, 9.2% of Indian descent, and 3.3% of other (including Eurasian) descent.[258]
     
    There is no data available for breakdown racial in non-residents.

    The government in recent years has faced a growing backlash against a surge of foreigners who now account for about a third of Singapore's work force. Resentment toward the government's loose immigration policies helped lower the vote won by the ruling People's Action Party to its lowest level since independence in 1965 during parliamentary elections
     

    This i muz apologize for mistaken others 2% as Indian, it should be 6~7% 20+yrs ago

    Mistaken? How could anyone from Singapore possibly be ignorant of the fact that Singapore’s Indian population has never been anywhere as low as 2%?

    https://www.murdoch.edu.au/Research-capabilities/Asia-Research-Centre/_document/working-papers/wp124.pdf

    On political independence, the racial composition of the population was approximately 78% Chinese, 15% Malays and 7% South Asians.

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  • @TT
    I hate to speak with fool who only know regurgitate what his gov msm sewage propaganda or only read wiki. Now get educate, idiot. This is last time i will educate you for you have very poor manner, its too tired to talk with a retard who will not check emself or humbly plead for answer.

    Sure European did not want to accept the facts that China actually visited the world before their Colombus.
    https://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/24/1037697982893.html

    This will give you alot to read.
    http://www.gavinmenzies.net/Evidence/10-annex-10-evidence-of-chinese-fleets-visit-to-australia-%E2%80%93-west-coast/

    “Now we could confidently proclaim Zheng He’s Fleets had discovered Australia in the early 15th century.  Zheng He’s Fleets Nautical Chart is the evidence, irrefutable evidence beyond all doubt.”

    “We can also see from the chart [Wu Pei Chih] the two routes along which Zheng He’s Fleets returned to China, (1) via southwest Australia where they sailed northward (Hong Bao’s Fleet) (2) one from the east: west of the Tiger Tail reef” (Great Barrier Reef – Zhou Man’s route) – Professor Zhiqiang Zhang – Beijing, 28 August 2003.  From (1) we know Zheng He’s Fleets sailed northwards inside the Great Barrier Reef, from (2) they settled Australia – but where?  European and Jesuit Charts give the first clue:

    · Australia appears on European maps of the Dieppe school published centuries before Europeans reached Australia, viz. Desliens, Vallard (showing horses), Desceliers, Jean Rotz (1540s).   These show West, North, East and South Australia (to Warrnambool).  Someone charted Australia before Europeans did so.  Captain Cook may have had a Chinese map (William Li).
    · Albertin di Virga of 1410, where Australia is called ‘Java La Grande’ and placed in the correct position with the correct size and shape of the crest from Colliers Bay to the Gulf of CarpentariaAlbertin di Virga of 1410, where Australia is called ‘Java La Grande’ and placed in the correct position with the correct size and shape of the crest from Colliers Bay to the Gulf of Carpentaria
    · Australia appears on Jesuit maps drawn when in China and based on Chinese Maps, viz. Father Ricci 1589 (Now in the Royal Geographic Society, London)
    · Taiwan porcelain map (1447) showing East coast to Tasmania.
    · Zheng He’s passage chart shows Barrier Reef (Martin Tai)
    · Melchior Thevenot in Relations 1663 – Chinese aware of Australia – (M Righton).
    · Hessel Gerritsz chart (1618) shows Australia (purchased Seville) – (M Righton).
    · Australia shown on Wu Pei Chih (Sun Shuyun and Zhiqiang Zhang) (1422)
    · Ma Huan ( Rosace = Australia = Darwin = Marani) (Martin Tai evidence)
    · Old Chinese map of Australia disappeared from public viewing in National Palace Museum in Taiwan.  (Liuqioqing)

    You got to be a fool to take a teller of tall tales like Menzies as an authority on anything. He also wrote a book claiming that Zheng He discovered America in 1421. Most laughably, in another book, he claims that in 1434 Zheng He landed with his humongous ships in Italy and jump started the Renaissance. Never mind that Italians have no record of this wondrous event. Lol.

    https://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/24/1037697982893.html

    Central to Menzies’ theories about Australia is a master world map produced in 1542 by Jean Rotz…….But Barber describes the Rotz map as “generally discredited or, at the very least, hotly contested”.

    Another map used by Menzies, drawn by Venetian Fra Mauro in 1459, even fails to accurately depict China, a strange occurrence if the Chinese were the source, Barber says.

    More extensive debunking here:

    http://www.1421exposed.com/html/wade_challenge.html

    By the way, there was no mention of New Zealand anywhere. Didn’t you write that a Maori asked you you to pass on this message to the readers of Unz.com: “When Ming dynasty Zhenghe majestic navy fleet visited us, they left us in peace without molestation.”? Lol.

    You really should get your hero Menzies in touch with your Maori friend.

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  • @TT
    22pp,

    Actually what make you so dislike of Chinese? With only 0.4% of UK population, do they really make your eyes so sore?

    Have Chinese ever send gunboats to your mother land to
    - invade your country
    - force you to trade
    - buy your goods with opium
    - force your kins to smoke opium
    - massacre your kins, rape your women
    - grab any of your islands
    - loot & burn down your Windsor or Buckingham palace
    - illegal enter
    - burden your social welfare as refugees
    - not contributing to economy
    - increase crime rates
    - monopolized any sector
    - terrorist acts
    - rowdy & noisy everywhere
    - instigating dissidents for subversion
    - actively converting you to communism or Chinese religion
    - broadcasting anti-UK propaganda everywhere like BBC, even right at your door steps
    - threaten to send its aircraft carrier to your straits for FON

    Talk about occupying SCS islands that China has historical proof (1800 Britiana Maps still showing its China territory), UK is still illegally occupying 1.7M sqKm of territories faraway from its country:

    The fourteen territories are Anguilla, Bermuda, the British Antarctic Territory, the British Indian Ocean Territory, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha, the Turks and Caicos Islands, the Pitcairn Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands, and the Sovereign Base Areas on Cyprus.[79]

    Cyprus is one of the several countries I have lived in. I love Cyprus and its people. I have done my level best to learn Greek, but I never succeeded. I nailed Japanese, but I never nailed Greek! Fortunately, everyone speaks English. I have never met a Cypriot who cares that much about the bases. The big issue is the 1974 Turkish invasion and the forced ethnic cleansing of Greeks form the North and Turks from the South.

    The British Antarctic territory. All those penguins screaming for self determination!

    The overwhelming majority of the Gibraltarians voted to stay with Britain. Don’t their voices count for anything? I’ve also been there. They are hugely much more patriotically British that Brits in Britain.

    I have not been any other other places on your list.

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  • @denk

    Nice to know what you really think. Diversity is not going to work
     
    Its easy to understand people's angst against a tsunami of foreigners ,
    I know it first hand,
    Its only human .


    I can even understand , tho not empathise, with Malaysia's preferential policies favoring the Malays, afterall, self preservation is a human instinct.

    But,
    I have a hard time empathising with so-called white genocide ....

    Firstly,
    Whiteys like to pick on the Chinese , dont take my words for it, RU is crawling with such Chinese hating white supremacists.

    Secondly, they scream at legit Chinese immigrants,
    even tho they themselves were illegit invaders who ursurped the indigenuous lands in North America/Oz.,/NZ/Hawaii/GUam/Puerto Rico,.

    And the land grabbing continues unabated right into the 21C,
    Diego Garcia,
    Okinawa,
    Jeju island., Iraq, Kosovo, Syria.....
    'Hey Saddat, We'r here to help you fight the ISIS, whether you like it or not' !
    Such hubris !

    The next time whiteys whine about alien invasion,
    remember this....

    Its your 'deep state' , the globalists, which engineered the white genocide in EU and Indian WMM in Sikkim/Nepal/Myanmar/Singapore etc/
    ethnic cleansing in Diego Garcia/Okinawa./Jeju and...........
    purported 'white genocide' at home !

    Confucius sez
    Don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you.

    Karma is a bitch,,,...

    Okinawa?

    I know Okinawa well. There are a couple of US bases on the island, but apart from that just about everyone is Okinawan.

    They have lost a good deal of their culture and the Uchinaa language has been completely replaced by Japanese, but the population has changed very little.

    Jeju is Korean now and always have been. They’re also incomprehensible. I am not sure even other Koreans understand them.

    Is there any ethnic group in the whole history of the world that has never conquered another? Mongols burned and slaughtered their way through Eastern Europe and Muslims conquered Spain and the Balkans. What I resent is that we are being conquered by weaklings (ie Muslims) and you are right, that is not the fault of the weaklings, it is the fault of out own scumbag politicians.

    I have long since forgiven the Japanese and the Germans for WWII. My grandmother hated Japanese till the day she died, but I think the time has long since passed for that.

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    I have lived in Japan for a while, after a few bottle of Sake, the Japanese started to brag, they had not forgotten Australia as their Tennō (天皇)'s gift, they said the land is polluted and it's contamination by the barbarian ex-convicts needs to be purified and returned Australia to whom it belonged, the Asian. Those Japanese complained that Chinese should work with them then, without the Chinese pinning down their Kwantung Army 關東軍, they would have landed in Australia and purified Australia already. Surprising the Japanese still have not forgotte that dream about Australia after 75 years of the war.
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  • @TT
    Simple, they are wealthy, you are poor. They are well educated, well behaved, no crimes, contribute to society. You are not. So your gov choose them over you.

    This is 6millions qn. Every developed countries are getting screw by this WMM now, mine too so i understand your painful ass. Some stupid scholars come out such theory of importing mass migrants will solve aging population & give economic population bonus. Its akin to invite 10 strangers to live & share ownership of your family house that your forefathers work hard to built. Then hope they can contribute some bill payment to make the household income higher.

    But don't needle the Chinese, its your capitalism whites leaders fault. Chinese are better than Indian, that my country is now been taken over.

    When I was a child, I used to enjoy tormenting my elder brother. Eventually, he wised up and stopped taking the bait.

    When I lived in Costa Rica, out neighbours had a dog and a troop a carablanca monkeys would enjoy climbing through the trees over its kennel and shitting on its head. It would go berserk and never wised up.

    I know it’s childish, but now when I need someone to torment, I go on line and sing the praises of the Japanese to Chinese and Koreans.

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    Its sadist, not childish. Jap war crimes are very cruel to Asians, China & Korean got the blunt. Many of my country folks are massacre too, Chinese ethnic was main resisting force in SEAsia.

    Contribute your last part of life wisely for truth & peace, not waste it like a fool shitting BS on innocents head. Its your lunatic gov deserve your attention. Turnbull has gone berserk harming its own nation. Nz will be nxt coerced by Fukus.
    , @denk

    I know it’s childish, but now when I need someone to torment, I go on line and sing the praises of the Japanese to Chinese and Koreans.
     
    The joke is on you...they've been feeding you B.S. all these years,'
    ehhhhehhe

    http://original.antiwar.com/john-v-walsh/2013/02/03/us-goading-japan-into-confrontation-with-china/
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  • @PandaAtWar
    Without unleashing China's ultra high IQ intellectual elites who can and will start a new wave of Chinese Renaissance like what European Renaissance did to Europe, China will not become the undisputed world leader by the 2020s or 2030s or 40s.

    To become the undisputed world leader, one needs, above all, to have a very uniquely attractive culture and value system for others to model. Without China's intellectual elites in the driving seat to rejunvenate the real traditional Han culture and carry out deep reforms in national education and industrial revolutions, current China is in no position to be that. Japan is not comparison here, as Japan historically has always been an excellent imitator (copy Han China in pre-industrial revolution, copy Europe in Industrial Revolution), not innovator particularly on a civilisational level.

    Xi unfortunately, like his CCP predecessors, have held back the bulk of China's intellectual elites through varies polices till this day... We'll see.

    The Chinese Renaissance has already started 40 years ago.

    Chinese science is blazing the trail in quantum communications and computing, semi-conductor based super-computing, new materials, gene therapy, fintech with crack proof facial recognition (unlike the iPhone garden variety), internet commerce, new energy vehicles, etc. Chinese manufacturing prowess already dominates solar power, wind power, thermal power, hydro power and soon to come, methane ice or natural gas hydrate will be mined commercially. Chinese nuclear power generation technology (Hualong I) is being implemented in Pakistan and China as we speak and soon in England and Argentina.

    Where is the empire when china (a third world country with NO DEMOCRACY and NO HUMAN RIGHTS) is leading humanity towards a cleaner and brighter future? (Oh, sorry, its AMERICA FIRST, LOL!)

    Chinese methods of teaching math is being replicated all over the world, even in one of the most revered cauldrons of education, the UK.

    Chinese UCAVs are being used in Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Syria to fight ISIS, Al-qaeda, DAESH and whatever names they happened to morph themselves into at the moment with deadly accuracy. Chinese submarines are in or will be in service with the navies of Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Thailand, and more countries are coming on-board. Just ask the israelis how many of their gunboats were sunk by the hezbollahs using chinese anti-ship missiles that were one or two generations older.

    China has already unleashed its “ultra high intellectual elites” and the world can expect more goodies from china in the future. Whether or not china can become the “undisputed world leader” in 20 or 30 years times is not an aspiration of the chinese people nor its leadership. They only aspire to be a “moderately prosperous society by 2020″ and ” a strong and prosperous country” by 2049. Nowhere in this have they mentioned “undisputed world leader” by “regime change”,” color revolutions”, “economic sanctions”, “if you are not with us, you are against us”, “pre-emptive strikes”, etc, etc.

    Why? Because china does not have DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS and UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE bullshit to deliver.

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    Why? Because china does not have DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS and UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE bullshit to deliver.
     
    That's China essence. No need distract or play by enemy's rule. Pres Xi team performance is impressive.

    Below will be the greatest contribution to humanity ever if its extended to the world & enshrine into Constitution.
    http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1091609.shtml


    As President Xi Jinping's concept of "building a community(world) with a shared future for humanity" gains ground internationally, China will attach more importance to the five-year-old notion, with a view to finding an ultimate way to world peace.

    At the beginning of March, China is entering its annual political high season. As the country's top legislature and advisory body gear up for their annual sessions to set the national agenda for the year and beyond, analysts expect the "shared future" concept to be a major theme during this year's meetings.

    Analysts have suggested that building a community(my word:world) with a shared future for humanity could potentially be proposed to be added to the Constitution, at the two sessions.
     

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  • @Ron Unz

    The Economist

    3-1-18

    How the West got China wrong

    It bet that China would head towards democracy and the market economy. The gamble has failed
     
    I think in many respects, the descent of The Economist into such establishmentarian nonsense is rather sad, probably even tragic.

    I've been a steady subscriber for nearly 40(!) years. I think their total circulation when I first began was something like 50,000, and given the likely age of those subscribers and the morality tables, I'd suspect that puts me in the 99.9+% of their current 1.5M figure. Almost certainly I go back further than virtually all of their current editorial staff, many of whom were probably not even born when I eagerly received my first issue.

    Back a few years ago, I wrote a column about the unfortunate situation, and here's the link:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-long-decline-of-the-london-economist/

    As a longtime Economist subscriber I, too, claim to have influenced their editorial policy, though modestly.

    After I repeatedly pointed out that they had predicted, 57 times in 36 years, that China’s economy would ‘crash and burn’ (their phrase) they stopped using it.

    But their coverage remained otherwise unaffected, alas.

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  • @Just some guy
    I'm not so sure I agree with the picture being painted here of China's future. I'm also not convinced Asians outperform Europeans and the Americans in STEM.

    China has major problems. Too many poor people, rampant corruption, unchecked pollution, significant elderly population, hyper urbanization without the required planning and safeguarding, low pay, deathly hours. China also excutes more people than anywhere else in the world.

    Quality is not a Chinese attribute. The Chinese have quantity.

    I think China is a stack of cards waiting to fall.

    On another note, I recently saw a video from China. These savages skinned a dog alive. I assume for food. Also, women are beyond second class citizens. After 30 if they are unmarried Chinese men consider them washed up and useless.

    American women are great contributors. And in my opinion are only getting started at 30.

    Chinese know how to do one thing. Take orders. They can't think outside the box. Creativity is not at a premium.

    I would like to see China put in it's rightful place. Blown up and brought back to the stone age.

    Erm, not only does China have the most trusted government on earth, it also has an economy 50% bigger than America’s and it leads in most fields of endeavor.

    According to the Japan Science and Technology Agency, China now ranks as the most influential country in four of eight core scientific fields, tying with the U.S. The agency took the top 10% of the most referenced studies in each field, and determined the number of authors who were affiliated with the U.S., the U.K., Germany, France, China or Japan. China ranked first in computer science, mathematics, materials science and engineering. The U.S., on the other hand, led the way in physics, environmental and earth sciences, basic life science and clinical medicine. China is also rapidly catching up in physics, where the U.S. has long dominated. It is spending more than $6 billion to build the world’s largest particle accelerator, which could put it at the forefront of particle physics. https://tinyurl.com/ydeqeqnb.

    In January, the United States National Science Foundation reported that the number of scientific publications from China in 2016 outnumbered those from the US for the first time: 426,000 versus 409,000.

    45% of technical papers published in the USA have a Chinese co-author.

    Chinese scientist Bai Chunli has been re-elected as the president of the World Academy of Sciences for another two years. http://www.china.org.cn/china/2015-11/21/content_37123628.htm

    China leads the world in all fields of civil engineering, Manufacturing, Supercomputing, Speech Recognition, Graphenics, Thorium power, Pebble Bed Reactors, Genomics, Thermal Power generation, Quantum Communication Networks, ASW Missiles, In-orbit Satellite Refueling, Passive Array Radar, Metamaterials, Hyperspectral Imaging, Nanotechnology, UHV Electricity transmission, Electric Vehicles, High Speed Rail, Sustainable Energy, Radiotelescopy, All fields of Sustainable Energy Research and Manufacturing, Hypersonic Space Weapons, Satellite Quantum Communications and quantum secure direct communications.

    It’s going to be hard to bomb them back to the Stone Age.

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  • @Che Guava
    God-free.

    You know that I am not unsympathetic (but never fully agreeing) with your China tales.

    Yes, without closely checking the whole thing, just from memory, you have two easy-to-spot sins, one of omission, one of commission.

    The first is that he graduated as an engineer. Your omission of this makes me strongly suspect that you are from the upper class and/or stupid-degree circles who despise engineers in some western countries.

    The second is your tale of his rural, reform through labour, time.

    The fact is, he ran away to a Pekin, stayed away for at least some weeks, then was found, arrested, and deported back.

    Your version of that is bizarre.

    “The first is that he graduated as an engineer. Your omission of this makes me strongly suspect that you are from the upper class and/or stupid-degree circles who despise engineers in some western countries”.

    The university refused to graduate him or give him a diploma because he was poorly prepared, and gave him a certificate of completion instead and he never attempted to practice as an engineer. I suspect they’ve since revised their original decision.

    “The second is your tale of his rural, reform through labour, time. The fact is, he ran away to a Pekin, stayed away for at least some weeks, then was found, arrested, and deported back.” Nonsense. All the sent-down kids came and went. How could anyone stop them? He came home feeling sorry for himself but his aunt and uncle talked him out of it.

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  • @22pp22
    Nice to know what you really think. Diversity is not going to work.

    And Zheng He's exploration of the entire planet is just silly. It didn't happen. It's China's answer to Wakanda.

    And Tibetans and the native population of Taiwan know how wonderful it is to be colonised by Han Chinese.

    Nice to know what you really think. Diversity is not going to work

    Its easy to understand people’s angst against a tsunami of foreigners ,
    I know it first hand,
    Its only human .

    I can even understand , tho not empathise, with Malaysia’s preferential policies favoring the Malays, afterall, self preservation is a human instinct.

    But,
    I have a hard time empathising with so-called white genocide ….

    Firstly,
    Whiteys like to pick on the Chinese , dont take my words for it, RU is crawling with such Chinese hating white supremacists.

    Secondly, they scream at legit Chinese immigrants,
    even tho they themselves were illegit invaders who ursurped the indigenuous lands in North America/Oz.,/NZ/Hawaii/GUam/Puerto Rico,.

    And the land grabbing continues unabated right into the 21C,
    Diego Garcia,
    Okinawa,
    Jeju island., Iraq, Kosovo, Syria…..
    ‘Hey Saddat, We’r here to help you fight the ISIS, whether you like it or not’ !
    Such hubris !

    The next time whiteys whine about alien invasion,
    remember this….

    Its your ‘deep state’ , the globalists, which engineered the white genocide in EU and Indian WMM in Sikkim/Nepal/Myanmar/Singapore etc/
    ethnic cleansing in Diego Garcia/Okinawa./Jeju and………..
    purported ‘white genocide’ at home !

    Confucius sez
    Don’t do unto others what you don’t want others to do unto you.

    Karma is a bitch,,,…

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    Okinawa?

    I know Okinawa well. There are a couple of US bases on the island, but apart from that just about everyone is Okinawan.

    They have lost a good deal of their culture and the Uchinaa language has been completely replaced by Japanese, but the population has changed very little.

    Jeju is Korean now and always have been. They're also incomprehensible. I am not sure even other Koreans understand them.

    Is there any ethnic group in the whole history of the world that has never conquered another? Mongols burned and slaughtered their way through Eastern Europe and Muslims conquered Spain and the Balkans. What I resent is that we are being conquered by weaklings (ie Muslims) and you are right, that is not the fault of the weaklings, it is the fault of out own scumbag politicians.

    I have long since forgiven the Japanese and the Germans for WWII. My grandmother hated Japanese till the day she died, but I think the time has long since passed for that.
    , @TT
    Denk, where is your soulmate Malla & your present in another interesting post?

    AaronB:
    I’m just waiting for malla and denk to show up so the real entertainment can begin.

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/#comment-2231736
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  • @TT
    Simple, they are wealthy, you are poor. They are well educated, well behaved, no crimes, contribute to society. You are not. So your gov choose them over you.

    This is 6millions qn. Every developed countries are getting screw by this WMM now, mine too so i understand your painful ass. Some stupid scholars come out such theory of importing mass migrants will solve aging population & give economic population bonus. Its akin to invite 10 strangers to live & share ownership of your family house that your forefathers work hard to built. Then hope they can contribute some bill payment to make the household income higher.

    But don't needle the Chinese, its your capitalism whites leaders fault. Chinese are better than Indian, that my country is now been taken over.

    I’m not poor and nor is the region I live in. Gavin Menzies is mildly insane and most Chinese scholars do not accept his theories.

    That, aside, though it pains me to say it, I actually agree with you 1000%.

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  • @22pp22
    Canada and Australia weren't particularly appealing real estate before Whites arrived. Why are we legally inviting in Chinese? Good question.

    I put the welfare of me and mine first. Isn't that normal? I have enjoyed posting here because it is so easy to cause Chinese to melt down. I find using the expression 天皇陛下萬歲 works really well.

    But it was the Japanese who chopped the Canuck and Aussie heads off, abused the Canuck and Aussie along your blood kin the Britons and Yankees in prison camps, used them as specimen and dissect them alive in the bio-chem war experiments, and bombed Australia. Don’t you have any empathy for your own kind and hate and feel vindictive toward those perpetrator beastly Japanese at all? You have such fond love with the Japanese is not normal, it appears you have Stockholm syndrome.

    Besides it was the Japanese destroyed the auto industry in Australia, treated Australia like economic colony after WWII, why are you (Canuck or Aussie) accepting Japanese abuse so contentedly? Would you happen to be a Jap or a Jap wannabe DPP member?

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  • @Che Guava
    God-free.

    You know that I am not unsympathetic (but never fully agreeing) with your China tales.

    Yes, without closely checking the whole thing, just from memory, you have two easy-to-spot sins, one of omission, one of commission.

    The first is that he graduated as an engineer. Your omission of this makes me strongly suspect that you are from the upper class and/or stupid-degree circles who despise engineers in some western countries.

    The second is your tale of his rural, reform through labour, time.

    The fact is, he ran away to a Pekin, stayed away for at least some weeks, then was found, arrested, and deported back.

    Your version of that is bizarre.

    Funny you did not troll other fake news about Xi and his family and relatives fabricated by the CIA, NED and their cronies, what happens? CIA, NED and MI6 won’t pay if you copy trolls?

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    Joe, Che is quoting from Wiki, not his fake troll. Me too read that, Pres Xi was a chemical engr grad from Qinghua. The runaway story, Mr Roberts is more reliable than CIA.

    China is passive in counter propaganda war, everywhere Fukus is smearing China. SCS China bully BS is etched into whole world mind, ..

    But i suspect its china wisdom, juz strive ahead, truth shall prevail. China don't need to fight with every barking dog slowing down journey. Russia is been cornered bcos too successful in counter propaganda war.
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  • TT says:
    @22pp22
    Canada and Australia weren't particularly appealing real estate before Whites arrived. Why are we legally inviting in Chinese? Good question.

    I put the welfare of me and mine first. Isn't that normal? I have enjoyed posting here because it is so easy to cause Chinese to melt down. I find using the expression 天皇陛下萬歲 works really well.

    Simple, they are wealthy, you are poor. They are well educated, well behaved, no crimes, contribute to society. You are not. So your gov choose them over you.

    This is 6millions qn. Every developed countries are getting screw by this WMM now, mine too so i understand your painful ass. Some stupid scholars come out such theory of importing mass migrants will solve aging population & give economic population bonus. Its akin to invite 10 strangers to live & share ownership of your family house that your forefathers work hard to built. Then hope they can contribute some bill payment to make the household income higher.

    But don’t needle the Chinese, its your capitalism whites leaders fault. Chinese are better than Indian, that my country is now been taken over.

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    I'm not poor and nor is the region I live in. Gavin Menzies is mildly insane and most Chinese scholars do not accept his theories.

    That, aside, though it pains me to say it, I actually agree with you 1000%.
    , @22pp22
    When I was a child, I used to enjoy tormenting my elder brother. Eventually, he wised up and stopped taking the bait.

    When I lived in Costa Rica, out neighbours had a dog and a troop a carablanca monkeys would enjoy climbing through the trees over its kennel and shitting on its head. It would go berserk and never wised up.

    I know it's childish, but now when I need someone to torment, I go on line and sing the praises of the Japanese to Chinese and Koreans.
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  • @Twodees Partain
    "Chinese President Xi Jinping: What Is His Background?"

    Somehow, I fail to give a shit.

    The USA is a shithole state, nobody give a shit to anyone, thus they are using assault rifles mass killing people on the street, concert hall, school kids, family members, … on rampage, as they don’t give a shit.

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  • @Anonymous
    Look closely at the picture. This is supposedly a childhood photo of Xi Jinping, the de facto ruler of China.

    So this is the best Photoshopping that China's top experts can do?

    Maybe we need to take another look at some other areas of supposed Chinese expertise.

    That photo was taken in 1958, Apple II made its first appearance in 1977 while Photoshop made its first appearance in 1987. Your lack of basic common sense in time and logic is glaring, did you actually finish primary school? With its citizen like you USA’s decline surprise no one.

    Beside that photo is way better than Vango’s paintings in presentation and clearity.

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  • TT says:
    @Bliss

    By the way, our down under Kiwis native has asked me pass a message to you.......When Ming dynasty Zhenghe majestic navy fleet visited us, they left us in peace without molestation. After many hundreds years, your ancester come, killed our men, raped our women, slaved our children, stole our land. And make us perform war dance to help earn tourism $ for you.
     
    1. Zheng He never went to what’s now New Zealand. Not even close.

    2. The Polynesian natives of New Zealand are known as Maoris. The term Kiwis applies to all New Zealanders, the majority of whom are not Maoris.

    It is pretty obvious that you just made up this BS. You seem to be a congenitally dishonest person.

    Btw, the Maoris and other Pacific Islanders are related to the Malays that you despise. Secondly, Zheng He was a muslim from the southwestern province of Yunnan and his 7 voyages led him to muslim ports in Malaya, Bangladesh, Maldives, Iran, Oman, Yemen, Saudi. Arabia, Somalia, Kenya etc (as well as buddhist Sri Lanka and Thailand, and hindu South India).


    http://exploration.marinersmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2014/05/800px-Zheng_He.png

    The Polynesian natives of New Zealand are known as Maoris. The term Kiwis applies to all New Zealanders, the majority of whom are not Maoris.

    Im not addressing to a moron. 22pp tho a foolish troll, but he is smart enough to understand what is Kiwis native- indigenous people, aka maoris, that you clever ass had to search & pointed out. You don’t need to remove your pants to fart.

    See, if you hurled shits on others against the truth wind, your hand get dirty first. Now its blow back on your face.

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  • pogohere says: • Website
    @TT
    Yan sen had written a interesting article on IQ.


    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/#comment-2230814

    Recent research on cognitive abilities is reinforcing what some psychologists suggested decades ago: spatial ability, also known as spatial visualization, plays a critical role in engineering and scientific disciplines. Yet more verbally-loaded IQ tests, as well as many popular standardized tests used today, do not adequately measure this trait, especially in those who are most gifted with it.” [13]
     

    Soft Power: Rising Chinese Dominance In The Sciences

    Analysis by: The Irish Crimean – Padraig Joseph McGrath

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    In 2016, for the first time, the People’s Republic of China surpassed the United States in published scientific output. A total of 429,000 scientific papers were published in China. In the United States, the total figure for 2016 was 406,000 published scientific papers.This is an important index of social and economic development, and an index of the shifting balance in geo-political strength. Knowledge-production is not only a key index of geo-political influence – it is also a key contributory factor to it.

    That is to say: knowledge-production is a key component of what is commonly referred to as “soft power.”

    The present debate on the role of language within ideology-transmission as an element of soft-power, is better informed with a view on this process in another civilizational sphere. In this case, we will topically examine that of the Chinese as it emerges onto terrain which until recently was hegemonically dominated by the Anglosphere.

    This essay will base itself in the understanding that language is in itself a vector for pre-discursive ideology-transmission.

    The Chinese very clearly had an understanding of soft power over 2,000 years before Joseph Nye coined that phrase, or before it was popularized by Fukuyama. You see this understanding of soft power implied throughout the Analects, which were compiled during the warring-states period (475 BC-221 BC). An example of such are sayings like: “You don’t need an ox-knife to kill a chicken,”

    One effect of the global spread of the English language as a lingua franca is that it created something approaching an Anglophone monopoly on knowledge-production, and therefore a disproportionate influence on ideology-production, and this in turn had a pernicious geo-political effect.

    At the same time, ideology-production can simply bypass knowledge-production on certain levels. Outside of the Anglophone world, the most irreprarably indoctrinated students are usually those who went to secondary schools which specialized in languages. Thus the students coming out of these schools do not know much on the subjects of physics or chemistry, and they know very little history or geography. Their core-skills are languages – they just subliminally and pre-discursively internalized Atlanticist liberal ideology by learning the English language. This leads us to our central thesis:

    Language in itself is a vector for pre-discursive ideology-transmission. In the English language, this happens on at least three distinct levels.

    Firstly, the grammar of the English language sets reality up as a list of standalone objects.
    Compare the English sentence “There is a desk in the office.” with the German equivalent “Es gibt einen Schreibtisch im Büro,” which literally translates “It gives a desk in the office.”

    So in the German sentence, the desk’s existence is postulated in the following way – the desk is thought to “exist” insofar as it is conferred into existence through its participation in some larger context – something which overarches the desk’s existence “gives it” – that is to say, confers it into existence. Furthermore, there is a loose implication that the desk is a manifestation of this “Es” which “gives” it or confers it into existence…. This way of thinking is inescapable if one happens to think in the German language – nothing simply exists in isolation – everything is part of a larger context. The grammar of the German language is pantheistic.

    On the other hand, in English, the desk is postulated simply as a standalone object – it exists quite independently of any surrounding objects, independently of any social or historical context, independently of any surrounding physical reality – it’s just “there.” English grammar sets up quite a different ontology to German grammar.

    With this in mind, it’s hardly surprising that many of Germany’s most historically noteworthy philosophers and theologians have offered pantheistic interpretations of Christianiaty, and that the empiricist tradition of philosophy and scientific realism have always been more influential in the English-speaking world. Native English-speakers just naturally think that way because that’s just how the grammar of their language cognitively sets reality up for them – objects in the world are just “out there.”

    And, indirectly, this has ideological implications – it impacts on how we discuss history, politics, science, social morality, public policy issues, questions of technocratic or decision-making competence, ways of verifying knowledge, models of social organization, and so forth.

    Secondly, the technical lexicon of the English language, being largely comprised of transliterations from Greek and Latin, is already dehistoricized. That is to say, native English-speakers have great difficulty getting an intimate grasp on the histories of many words which they use, insofar as the Greek and Latin etymological roots of many English words are obscured. For example, most native English-speakers are oblivious to the point that the English word “object” is conventionally taken to mean almost the opposite of what was meant by the Latin “objectus.” This helps to explain why most native English-speakers have such an epistemologically naïve idea of “objectivity,” which also has pernicious ideological implications.

    In most technical disciplines, the German lexicon is mostly morphologically pure German. Many Slavonic languages employ binomial systems of terminology in chemistry, physics, engineering, medicine, etc. In English, however, all we have to work with are words which have been dehistoricized by virtue of having been transliterated from Greek and Latin rather than having been actually translated, morpheme by morpheme, from Greek and Latin. On this basis, it is also arguable that dehistoricization as an ideology in itself, and in particular the dehistoricization of knowledge, are pre-discursively inscribed into the word-stock of the English language. Is it any wonder, then, that so many Anglophone thinkers have interpreted the history of science as a historically linear progression, as “an ever-increasing approximation of the truth?” Furthermore, is it any wonder that so many native English speakers fall into the trap of scientism? Unfortunately, most of scientism’s core articles of faith are pre-discursively inscribed into the English language itself.

    We might go even further.

    Take, for example, the belief which is very widely held by people in the Occident, that all or almost all of history’s enduring scientific and technological ideas are of western origin. In historical terms, this belief is demonstrably nonsense. It is impossible to overstate the impact of what China bequeathed to the world in the fields of metallurgy, agriculture, medicine and astronomy. The first known microbiological theory of disease was first written down in 11th century Uzbekistan. Geology, plate-tectonics, clinical pharmacology and optics, to name but a few disciplines, all developed during the golden age of Islam.

    The mathematization of physics can be traced back to Ibn Al Haytham (11th century). Lomonosov probably discovered oxygen before Lavoisier did, but never published his findings – many of his discoveries were published posthumously. The horse’s bit was probably invented in central Asia. The Romans knew about it, but this simple technological innovation was lost to early medieval Europe – the development of cavalry in early medieval Europe would not have been possible had it not been for its re-discovery through subsequent European contact with Asiatic peoples during the Carolingian period.

    And yet, despite all of the historical evidence to the contrary, most Occidentals believe that all or almost all of history’s enduring scientific and technological ideas are of western origin.

    Who taught them to hold this belief? In most cases, nobody actually taught them.

    Most Occidentals who hold this belief (that all or most of our currently accepted received scientific wisdom is of western origin) were not explicitly told this by any science-teacher, nor did they ever read any article by any historian of science in which any such claim was ever explicitly made. No science-teacher or historian of science ever would tell them that they should believe such a claim, for the simple reason that it would be demonstrably nonsense. Most westerners who believe this simply believe it intuitively. This commonly held belief is partially an intuitive bi-product of the manner in which the English language, the dominant language for scientific publishing, dehistoricizes knowledge.

    This serves as a particularly good example of what I mean by “pre-discursive ideology-transmission.”
    In a nutshell, this concept means that it is not actually necessary to teach people any “doctrine” in order to “indoctrinate” them.

    Actually, we might even say that the most effective way to indoctrinate somebody is by not teaching them any explicit doctrine. Doctrines can be falsified, argued against. If we indoctrinate people by teaching them explicit doctrines, explicit truth-claims about the world, then these doctrines can be itemized and intellectually attacked later. This explicitly doctrinal level of indoctrination is therefore reversible.

    The most effective way to indoctrinate a person, the most irreversible modus of indoctrination, is to carefully avoid teaching them any “doctrine” or “dogma” whatsoever. The most irreversible level of indoctrination is to insidiously inculcate beliefs and other attitudes in people by gaming their processes of intuition – in this case, the indoctrinated person may not even be aware that they hold the belief or attitude in question; they may be unable to articulate it, a point which renders the belief impervious to intellectual attack.

    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/03/soft-power-rising-chinese-dominance-sciences/

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    One effect of the global spread of the English language as a lingua franca is that it created something approaching an Anglophone monopoly on knowledge-production, and therefore a disproportionate influence on ideology-production, and this in turn had a pernicious geo-political effect.
     
    For a language to becom dominating, it required dominating influence in geopolitical & economy, cultural & may be spiritual too.

    Anglo was successful bcos of British empire, follow by US. When i was young, Japanese, French & German were also actively promoting their language, but English is simply too dominating. Japan got some success with its cultural influence & industrial might, but all didn't success in carving out their sphere eventually bcos of US overwhelming influence.

    When China reach the level that consummate its great civilization status, everything will fall naturally into order. Chinese will again become language of elites, as in ancient Jp & Korea pre war time. And Chinese wisdom believe in: knowing ownself & others well, one win every battles. This is better than the Anglos way of indoctrinate ownself, dwelling in hubris that lead to their declination.

    US empire certainly can last long if its continue to built strength instead of squandering away its great wealth in numourous wars for hedgmon. China understand this very well.

    大國崛起 The Rise of the Great Nations. This documentary has reveal China wisdom in its peaceful rising vision.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K9YB-qVofRI
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  • TT says:
    @Bliss

    By the way, our down under Kiwis native has asked me pass a message to you.......When Ming dynasty Zhenghe majestic navy fleet visited us, they left us in peace without molestation. After many hundreds years, your ancester come, killed our men, raped our women, slaved our children, stole our land. And make us perform war dance to help earn tourism $ for you.
     
    1. Zheng He never went to what’s now New Zealand. Not even close.

    2. The Polynesian natives of New Zealand are known as Maoris. The term Kiwis applies to all New Zealanders, the majority of whom are not Maoris.

    It is pretty obvious that you just made up this BS. You seem to be a congenitally dishonest person.

    Btw, the Maoris and other Pacific Islanders are related to the Malays that you despise. Secondly, Zheng He was a muslim from the southwestern province of Yunnan and his 7 voyages led him to muslim ports in Malaya, Bangladesh, Maldives, Iran, Oman, Yemen, Saudi. Arabia, Somalia, Kenya etc (as well as buddhist Sri Lanka and Thailand, and hindu South India).


    http://exploration.marinersmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2014/05/800px-Zheng_He.png

    I hate to speak with fool who only know regurgitate what his gov msm sewage propaganda or only read wiki. Now get educate, idiot. This is last time i will educate you for you have very poor manner, its too tired to talk with a retard who will not check emself or humbly plead for answer.

    Sure European did not want to accept the facts that China actually visited the world before their Colombus.

    https://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/24/1037697982893.html

    This will give you alot to read.

    http://www.gavinmenzies.net/Evidence/10-annex-10-evidence-of-chinese-fleets-visit-to-australia-%E2%80%93-west-coast/

    “Now we could confidently proclaim Zheng He’s Fleets had discovered Australia in the early 15th century.  Zheng He’s Fleets Nautical Chart is the evidence, irrefutable evidence beyond all doubt.”

    “We can also see from the chart [Wu Pei Chih] the two routes along which Zheng He’s Fleets returned to China, (1) via southwest Australia where they sailed northward (Hong Bao’s Fleet) (2) one from the east: west of the Tiger Tail reef” (Great Barrier Reef – Zhou Man’s route) – Professor Zhiqiang Zhang – Beijing, 28 August 2003.  From (1) we know Zheng He’s Fleets sailed northwards inside the Great Barrier Reef, from (2) they settled Australia – but where?  European and Jesuit Charts give the first clue:

    · Australia appears on European maps of the Dieppe school published centuries before Europeans reached Australia, viz. Desliens, Vallard (showing horses), Desceliers, Jean Rotz (1540s).   These show West, North, East and South Australia (to Warrnambool).  Someone charted Australia before Europeans did so.  Captain Cook may have had a Chinese map (William Li).
    · Albertin di Virga of 1410, where Australia is called ‘Java La Grande’ and placed in the correct position with the correct size and shape of the crest from Colliers Bay to the Gulf of CarpentariaAlbertin di Virga of 1410, where Australia is called ‘Java La Grande’ and placed in the correct position with the correct size and shape of the crest from Colliers Bay to the Gulf of Carpentaria
    · Australia appears on Jesuit maps drawn when in China and based on Chinese Maps, viz. Father Ricci 1589 (Now in the Royal Geographic Society, London)
    · Taiwan porcelain map (1447) showing East coast to Tasmania.
    · Zheng He’s passage chart shows Barrier Reef (Martin Tai)
    · Melchior Thevenot in Relations 1663 – Chinese aware of Australia – (M Righton).
    · Hessel Gerritsz chart (1618) shows Australia (purchased Seville) – (M Righton).
    · Australia shown on Wu Pei Chih (Sun Shuyun and Zhiqiang Zhang) (1422)
    · Ma Huan ( Rosace = Australia = Darwin = Marani) (Martin Tai evidence)
    · Old Chinese map of Australia disappeared from public viewing in National Palace Museum in Taiwan.  (Liuqioqing)

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    You got to be a fool to take a teller of tall tales like Menzies as an authority on anything. He also wrote a book claiming that Zheng He discovered America in 1421. Most laughably, in another book, he claims that in 1434 Zheng He landed with his humongous ships in Italy and jump started the Renaissance. Never mind that Italians have no record of this wondrous event. Lol.

    https://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/24/1037697982893.html

    Central to Menzies' theories about Australia is a master world map produced in 1542 by Jean Rotz.......But Barber describes the Rotz map as "generally discredited or, at the very least, hotly contested".

    Another map used by Menzies, drawn by Venetian Fra Mauro in 1459, even fails to accurately depict China, a strange occurrence if the Chinese were the source, Barber says.

    More extensive debunking here:

    http://www.1421exposed.com/html/wade_challenge.html


    By the way, there was no mention of New Zealand anywhere. Didn’t you write that a Maori asked you you to pass on this message to the readers of Unz.com: “When Ming dynasty Zhenghe majestic navy fleet visited us, they left us in peace without molestation.”? Lol.

    You really should get your hero Menzies in touch with your Maori friend.
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  • @pogohere
    The Economist

    3-1-18

    How the West got China wrong

    It bet that China would head towards democracy and the market economy. The gamble has failed

    ¨After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the West welcomed the next big communist country into the global economic order. Western leaders believed that giving China a stake in institutions such as the World Trade Organisation (WTO) would bind it into the rules-based system set up after the second world war (see Briefing). They hoped that economic integration would encourage China to evolve into a market economy and that, as they grew wealthier, its people would come to yearn for democratic freedoms, rights and the rule of law.
     
    . . .

    ¨The longer the West grudgingly accommodates China’s abuses, the more dangerous it will be to challenge them later. In every sphere, therefore, policy needs to be harder edged, even as the West cleaves to the values it claims are universal.¨

     

    What???????

    To counter China’s hard power, America needs to invest in new weapons systems and, most of all, ensure that it draws closer to its allies—who, witnessing China’s resolve, will naturally look to America.

     

    Ohhhhhhhhh, that again.

    https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21737517-it-bet-china-would-head-towards-democracy-and-market-economy-gamble-has-failed-how

    Now there´s an expression of universal values. Do it our way or else. I hear the drums beating in the jungles of the MIC.

    Now there´s an expression of universal values.

    It really is. After all, there’s only one set of rules for everyone. Why would anyone disagree or rebel against it? This is the End of History and this is Good.

    If you against it, this means that you are Evil. Its all pretty entertaining.

    Watch them scram and scream at the heavens.

    How swiftly does the moral facade fail, doesn’t it?

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  • @TT
    By the way, our down under Kiwis native has asked me pass a message to you.

    One more thing. My desire to maintain my race and culture has nothing to do with the whites whatsoever that invade and colonized my ancester land violently. This is about us, not you. Your country has very absurd policy to let in everyone is your problem, have spine then go back revolt don't whine here like spoilt brat throwing tantrums again.

    The whites here usually don't behave well, and i don't welcome them in any number. I do not care if the Anglos or Celtics or Scottish or Welsh or Irish whatever are considered European whites or not. I just question legality of these people occupying my ancestor land by gunboats.

    The World is under invasion, precisely because our countries are desirable to live in & you come univited with gunboats, unlike Chinese they arrived as legal migrants contributing to our welfare & economy under invitation.

    When Ming dynasty Zhenghe majestic navy fleet visited us, they left us in peace without molestation. After many hundreds years, your ancester come, killed our men, raped our women, slaved our children, stole our land. And make us perform war dance to help earn tourism $ for you. Feeding us with junk food to make us obese, then evil you claim there is no poverty & starvation.

    The Irish turned Ireland into a rich country on their own. The Irish government now wants to grow the population by 20% through mass invasion. Why? Ask your own greedy whites leaders, none of our business. Just leave our land in peace, go back to your own ancestor land to fight among yourself.

    By the way, our down under Kiwis native has asked me pass a message to you…….When Ming dynasty Zhenghe majestic navy fleet visited us, they left us in peace without molestation. After many hundreds years, your ancester come, killed our men, raped our women, slaved our children, stole our land. And make us perform war dance to help earn tourism $ for you.

    1. Zheng He never went to what’s now New Zealand. Not even close.

    2. The Polynesian natives of New Zealand are known as Maoris. The term Kiwis applies to all New Zealanders, the majority of whom are not Maoris.

    It is pretty obvious that you just made up this BS. You seem to be a congenitally dishonest person.

    Btw, the Maoris and other Pacific Islanders are related to the Malays that you despise. Secondly, Zheng He was a muslim from the southwestern province of Yunnan and his 7 voyages led him to muslim ports in Malaya, Bangladesh, Maldives, Iran, Oman, Yemen, Saudi. Arabia, Somalia, Kenya etc (as well as buddhist Sri Lanka and Thailand, and hindu South India).

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    I hate to speak with fool who only know regurgitate what his gov msm sewage propaganda or only read wiki. Now get educate, idiot. This is last time i will educate you for you have very poor manner, its too tired to talk with a retard who will not check emself or humbly plead for answer.

    Sure European did not want to accept the facts that China actually visited the world before their Colombus.
    https://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/24/1037697982893.html

    This will give you alot to read.
    http://www.gavinmenzies.net/Evidence/10-annex-10-evidence-of-chinese-fleets-visit-to-australia-%E2%80%93-west-coast/

    “Now we could confidently proclaim Zheng He’s Fleets had discovered Australia in the early 15th century.  Zheng He’s Fleets Nautical Chart is the evidence, irrefutable evidence beyond all doubt.”

    “We can also see from the chart [Wu Pei Chih] the two routes along which Zheng He’s Fleets returned to China, (1) via southwest Australia where they sailed northward (Hong Bao’s Fleet) (2) one from the east: west of the Tiger Tail reef” (Great Barrier Reef – Zhou Man’s route) – Professor Zhiqiang Zhang – Beijing, 28 August 2003.  From (1) we know Zheng He’s Fleets sailed northwards inside the Great Barrier Reef, from (2) they settled Australia – but where?  European and Jesuit Charts give the first clue:

    · Australia appears on European maps of the Dieppe school published centuries before Europeans reached Australia, viz. Desliens, Vallard (showing horses), Desceliers, Jean Rotz (1540s).   These show West, North, East and South Australia (to Warrnambool).  Someone charted Australia before Europeans did so.  Captain Cook may have had a Chinese map (William Li).
    · Albertin di Virga of 1410, where Australia is called ‘Java La Grande’ and placed in the correct position with the correct size and shape of the crest from Colliers Bay to the Gulf of CarpentariaAlbertin di Virga of 1410, where Australia is called ‘Java La Grande’ and placed in the correct position with the correct size and shape of the crest from Colliers Bay to the Gulf of Carpentaria
    · Australia appears on Jesuit maps drawn when in China and based on Chinese Maps, viz. Father Ricci 1589 (Now in the Royal Geographic Society, London)
    · Taiwan porcelain map (1447) showing East coast to Tasmania.
    · Zheng He’s passage chart shows Barrier Reef (Martin Tai)
    · Melchior Thevenot in Relations 1663 – Chinese aware of Australia – (M Righton).
    · Hessel Gerritsz chart (1618) shows Australia (purchased Seville) – (M Righton).
    · Australia shown on Wu Pei Chih (Sun Shuyun and Zhiqiang Zhang) (1422)
    · Ma Huan ( Rosace = Australia = Darwin = Marani) (Martin Tai evidence)
    · Old Chinese map of Australia disappeared from public viewing in National Palace Museum in Taiwan.  (Liuqioqing)
    , @TT

    The Polynesian natives of New Zealand are known as Maoris. The term Kiwis applies to all New Zealanders, the majority of whom are not Maoris.
     
    Im not addressing to a moron. 22pp tho a foolish troll, but he is smart enough to understand what is Kiwis native- indigenous people, aka maoris, that you clever ass had to search & pointed out. You don't need to remove your pants to fart.

    See, if you hurled shits on others against the truth wind, your hand get dirty first. Now its blow back on your face.
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  • @pogohere
    The Economist

    3-1-18

    How the West got China wrong

    It bet that China would head towards democracy and the market economy. The gamble has failed

    ¨After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the West welcomed the next big communist country into the global economic order. Western leaders believed that giving China a stake in institutions such as the World Trade Organisation (WTO) would bind it into the rules-based system set up after the second world war (see Briefing). They hoped that economic integration would encourage China to evolve into a market economy and that, as they grew wealthier, its people would come to yearn for democratic freedoms, rights and the rule of law.
     
    . . .

    ¨The longer the West grudgingly accommodates China’s abuses, the more dangerous it will be to challenge them later. In every sphere, therefore, policy needs to be harder edged, even as the West cleaves to the values it claims are universal.¨

     

    What???????

    To counter China’s hard power, America needs to invest in new weapons systems and, most of all, ensure that it draws closer to its allies—who, witnessing China’s resolve, will naturally look to America.

     

    Ohhhhhhhhh, that again.

    https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21737517-it-bet-china-would-head-towards-democracy-and-market-economy-gamble-has-failed-how

    Now there´s an expression of universal values. Do it our way or else. I hear the drums beating in the jungles of the MIC.

    The Economist

    3-1-18

    How the West got China wrong

    It bet that China would head towards democracy and the market economy. The gamble has failed

    I think in many respects, the descent of The Economist into such establishmentarian nonsense is rather sad, probably even tragic.

    I’ve been a steady subscriber for nearly 40(!) years. I think their total circulation when I first began was something like 50,000, and given the likely age of those subscribers and the morality tables, I’d suspect that puts me in the 99.9+% of their current 1.5M figure. Almost certainly I go back further than virtually all of their current editorial staff, many of whom were probably not even born when I eagerly received my first issue.

    Back a few years ago, I wrote a column about the unfortunate situation, and here’s the link:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-long-decline-of-the-london-economist/

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    As a longtime Economist subscriber I, too, claim to have influenced their editorial policy, though modestly.

    After I repeatedly pointed out that they had predicted, 57 times in 36 years, that China's economy would 'crash and burn' (their phrase) they stopped using it.

    But their coverage remained otherwise unaffected, alas.
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  • @Китайский дурак
    While the anti-globalists of the western world struggle to break down the false narrative concerning Russia, — truly admirable, Many of you seem to cover your eyes with a fantastically silly and naive rosy narrative about China. You are repeating exactly mistake of the peaceniks of 1970s, who protested the arms race and the hard line Republican Party, while blindly buying Henry Kissinger’s sinister adulation of Mao. Your benevolent and silly ignorance about China is so total I don’t even know where to start!! I wonder how Mr Putin will chuckle with incredulity if he sees the above article and commentaries. I, for one, had regarded the Economist as toilet paper for no less than three years, but this time May I earnestly council you to read the new cover article in Economist : How the West got China Wrong. While Russia will certainly not waiver from its currently sensible policy of good partnership with China, I have a strange feeling that Mr. Putin might also not disagree with that article in Economist, for the first time, in a long time. Bubbles, friend, bubbles! The western world has a real problem with its self-identity. Solve the problem. Do not project your own anxiety! Either as blind hatred against Russia, or as blind admiration of Xi. See? Xi is Laughing at all of you!

    The Economist

    3-1-18

    How the West got China wrong

    It bet that China would head towards democracy and the market economy. The gamble has failed

    ¨After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the West welcomed the next big communist country into the global economic order. Western leaders believed that giving China a stake in institutions such as the World Trade Organisation (WTO) would bind it into the rules-based system set up after the second world war (see Briefing). They hoped that economic integration would encourage China to evolve into a market economy and that, as they grew wealthier, its people would come to yearn for democratic freedoms, rights and the rule of law.

    . . .

    ¨The longer the West grudgingly accommodates China’s abuses, the more dangerous it will be to challenge them later. In every sphere, therefore, policy needs to be harder edged, even as the West cleaves to the values it claims are universal.¨

    What???????

    To counter China’s hard power, America needs to invest in new weapons systems and, most of all, ensure that it draws closer to its allies—who, witnessing China’s resolve, will naturally look to America.

    Ohhhhhhhhh, that again.

    https://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21737517-it-bet-china-would-head-towards-democracy-and-market-economy-gamble-has-failed-how

    Now there´s an expression of universal values. Do it our way or else. I hear the drums beating in the jungles of the MIC.

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    The Economist

    3-1-18

    How the West got China wrong

    It bet that China would head towards democracy and the market economy. The gamble has failed
     
    I think in many respects, the descent of The Economist into such establishmentarian nonsense is rather sad, probably even tragic.

    I've been a steady subscriber for nearly 40(!) years. I think their total circulation when I first began was something like 50,000, and given the likely age of those subscribers and the morality tables, I'd suspect that puts me in the 99.9+% of their current 1.5M figure. Almost certainly I go back further than virtually all of their current editorial staff, many of whom were probably not even born when I eagerly received my first issue.

    Back a few years ago, I wrote a column about the unfortunate situation, and here's the link:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-long-decline-of-the-london-economist/
    , @Daniel Chieh

    Now there´s an expression of universal values.

     

    It really is. After all, there's only one set of rules for everyone. Why would anyone disagree or rebel against it? This is the End of History and this is Good.

    If you against it, this means that you are Evil. Its all pretty entertaining.

    Watch them scram and scream at the heavens.

    How swiftly does the moral facade fail, doesn't it?

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  • TT says:
    @FB

    '...US ave IQ98 is rated 21, lowest among OECD, again Top5 are Asians...'
     
    IQ does not equal achievement...proof is that many Mensa members are low achievers...

    In fact the entire notion of an intelligence measure based on a sit-down test must be regarded with some caution...

    For instance...the test does not take into account personality or character...or even the ability to communicate effectively...very important factors in the real world...[ie much more complex than any test could ever simulate]

    Ie it is well known that those with leadership qualities rise to the top...how does IQ quantify this...?

    It doesn't...supposedly there are 'personality' tests...also devised by 'psychologists' which purport do do so...

    But what about other factors such as the ability to perform under pressure...and even hand eye coordination...these are important abilities in many elite professions...ie aviation and astronautics...[not to mention athletics]

    A 15 year old Masai boy is expected to bring down a charging lion with a spear...

    How does one 'quantify' this kind of achievement...arguably an apex achievement in man's primal struggle with unforgiving nature...but also seen in other 'primitive' cultures...ie the Inuit do the same thing with polar bears...one of the few species of animal that will hunt man...

    We must keep all this in perspective...our understanding of the human organism is the least developed of all the sciences...and understanding of the mind even less so...

    The entire field of psychology is considered a quite soft science...and rightfully so...to some it is outright quackery...

    Nothing in this discipline can be quantified...as in physics or mathematics...the entire notion of an intelligence 'quotient' is considered dubious by many...including those who are in fact very intelligent and great achievers and are able to score very high on these quizzes...

    Even within the psychology 'profession' itself...there are doubters...including a recent study that called the IQ test 'meaningless'...

    Yan sen had written a interesting article on IQ.

    http://www.unz.com/article/iq-or-the-mathverbal-split/#comment-2230814

    Recent research on cognitive abilities is reinforcing what some psychologists suggested decades ago: spatial ability, also known as spatial visualization, plays a critical role in engineering and scientific disciplines. Yet more verbally-loaded IQ tests, as well as many popular standardized tests used today, do not adequately measure this trait, especially in those who are most gifted with it.” [13]

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    Soft Power: Rising Chinese Dominance In The Sciences

    Analysis by: The Irish Crimean – Padraig Joseph McGrath

    In 2016, for the first time, the People’s Republic of China surpassed the United States in published scientific output. A total of 429,000 scientific papers were published in China. In the United States, the total figure for 2016 was 406,000 published scientific papers.This is an important index of social and economic development, and an index of the shifting balance in geo-political strength. Knowledge-production is not only a key index of geo-political influence – it is also a key contributory factor to it.



    That is to say: knowledge-production is a key component of what is commonly referred to as “soft power.”



    The present debate on the role of language within ideology-transmission as an element of soft-power, is better informed with a view on this process in another civilizational sphere. In this case, we will topically examine that of the Chinese as it emerges onto terrain which until recently was hegemonically dominated by the Anglosphere.



    This essay will base itself in the understanding that language is in itself a vector for pre-discursive ideology-transmission.



    The Chinese very clearly had an understanding of soft power over 2,000 years before Joseph Nye coined that phrase, or before it was popularized by Fukuyama. You see this understanding of soft power implied throughout the Analects, which were compiled during the warring-states period (475 BC-221 BC). An example of such are sayings like: “You don’t need an ox-knife to kill a chicken,”



    One effect of the global spread of the English language as a lingua franca is that it created something approaching an Anglophone monopoly on knowledge-production, and therefore a disproportionate influence on ideology-production, and this in turn had a pernicious geo-political effect.



    At the same time, ideology-production can simply bypass knowledge-production on certain levels. Outside of the Anglophone world, the most irreprarably indoctrinated students are usually those who went to secondary schools which specialized in languages. Thus the students coming out of these schools do not know much on the subjects of physics or chemistry, and they know very little history or geography. Their core-skills are languages – they just subliminally and pre-discursively internalized Atlanticist liberal ideology by learning the English language. This leads us to our central thesis:



    Language in itself is a vector for pre-discursive ideology-transmission. In the English language, this happens on at least three distinct levels.



    Firstly, the grammar of the English language sets reality up as a list of standalone objects.
    Compare the English sentence “There is a desk in the office.” with the German equivalent “Es gibt einen Schreibtisch im Büro,” which literally translates “It gives a desk in the office.”



    So in the German sentence, the desk’s existence is postulated in the following way – the desk is thought to “exist” insofar as it is conferred into existence through its participation in some larger context – something which overarches the desk’s existence “gives it” – that is to say, confers it into existence. Furthermore, there is a loose implication that the desk is a manifestation of this “Es” which “gives” it or confers it into existence…. This way of thinking is inescapable if one happens to think in the German language – nothing simply exists in isolation – everything is part of a larger context. The grammar of the German language is pantheistic.



    On the other hand, in English, the desk is postulated simply as a standalone object – it exists quite independently of any surrounding objects, independently of any social or historical context, independently of any surrounding physical reality – it’s just “there.” English grammar sets up quite a different ontology to German grammar.



    With this in mind, it’s hardly surprising that many of Germany’s most historically noteworthy philosophers and theologians have offered pantheistic interpretations of Christianiaty, and that the empiricist tradition of philosophy and scientific realism have always been more influential in the English-speaking world. Native English-speakers just naturally think that way because that’s just how the grammar of their language cognitively sets reality up for them – objects in the world are just “out there.”



    And, indirectly, this has ideological implications – it impacts on how we discuss history, politics, science, social morality, public policy issues, questions of technocratic or decision-making competence, ways of verifying knowledge, models of social organization, and so forth.



    Secondly, the technical lexicon of the English language, being largely comprised of transliterations from Greek and Latin, is already dehistoricized. That is to say, native English-speakers have great difficulty getting an intimate grasp on the histories of many words which they use, insofar as the Greek and Latin etymological roots of many English words are obscured. For example, most native English-speakers are oblivious to the point that the English word “object” is conventionally taken to mean almost the opposite of what was meant by the Latin “objectus.” This helps to explain why most native English-speakers have such an epistemologically naïve idea of “objectivity,” which also has pernicious ideological implications.



    In most technical disciplines, the German lexicon is mostly morphologically pure German. Many Slavonic languages employ binomial systems of terminology in chemistry, physics, engineering, medicine, etc. In English, however, all we have to work with are words which have been dehistoricized by virtue of having been transliterated from Greek and Latin rather than having been actually translated, morpheme by morpheme, from Greek and Latin. On this basis, it is also arguable that dehistoricization as an ideology in itself, and in particular the dehistoricization of knowledge, are pre-discursively inscribed into the word-stock of the English language. Is it any wonder, then, that so many Anglophone thinkers have interpreted the history of science as a historically linear progression, as “an ever-increasing approximation of the truth?” Furthermore, is it any wonder that so many native English speakers fall into the trap of scientism? Unfortunately, most of scientism’s core articles of faith are pre-discursively inscribed into the English language itself.



    We might go even further.



    Take, for example, the belief which is very widely held by people in the Occident, that all or almost all of history’s enduring scientific and technological ideas are of western origin. In historical terms, this belief is demonstrably nonsense. It is impossible to overstate the impact of what China bequeathed to the world in the fields of metallurgy, agriculture, medicine and astronomy. The first known microbiological theory of disease was first written down in 11th century Uzbekistan. Geology, plate-tectonics, clinical pharmacology and optics, to name but a few disciplines, all developed during the golden age of Islam.



    The mathematization of physics can be traced back to Ibn Al Haytham (11th century). Lomonosov probably discovered oxygen before Lavoisier did, but never published his findings – many of his discoveries were published posthumously. The horse’s bit was probably invented in central Asia. The Romans knew about it, but this simple technological innovation was lost to early medieval Europe – the development of cavalry in early medieval Europe would not have been possible had it not been for its re-discovery through subsequent European contact with Asiatic peoples during the Carolingian period.



    And yet, despite all of the historical evidence to the contrary, most Occidentals believe that all or almost all of history’s enduring scientific and technological ideas are of western origin.



    Who taught them to hold this belief? In most cases, nobody actually taught them.



    Most Occidentals who hold this belief (that all or most of our currently accepted received scientific wisdom is of western origin) were not explicitly told this by any science-teacher, nor did they ever read any article by any historian of science in which any such claim was ever explicitly made. No science-teacher or historian of science ever would tell them that they should believe such a claim, for the simple reason that it would be demonstrably nonsense. Most westerners who believe this simply believe it intuitively. This commonly held belief is partially an intuitive bi-product of the manner in which the English language, the dominant language for scientific publishing, dehistoricizes knowledge.



    This serves as a particularly good example of what I mean by “pre-discursive ideology-transmission.”
    In a nutshell, this concept means that it is not actually necessary to teach people any “doctrine” in order to “indoctrinate” them.



    Actually, we might even say that the most effective way to indoctrinate somebody is by not teaching them any explicit doctrine. Doctrines can be falsified, argued against. If we indoctrinate people by teaching them explicit doctrines, explicit truth-claims about the world, then these doctrines can be itemized and intellectually attacked later. This explicitly doctrinal level of indoctrination is therefore reversible.



    The most effective way to indoctrinate a person, the most irreversible modus of indoctrination, is to carefully avoid teaching them any “doctrine” or “dogma” whatsoever. The most irreversible level of indoctrination is to insidiously inculcate beliefs and other attitudes in people by gaming their processes of intuition – in this case, the indoctrinated person may not even be aware that they hold the belief or attitude in question; they may be unable to articulate it, a point which renders the belief impervious to intellectual attack.
     
    https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/03/soft-power-rising-chinese-dominance-sciences/
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  • @TT
    By the way, our down under Kiwis native has asked me pass a message to you.

    One more thing. My desire to maintain my race and culture has nothing to do with the whites whatsoever that invade and colonized my ancester land violently. This is about us, not you. Your country has very absurd policy to let in everyone is your problem, have spine then go back revolt don't whine here like spoilt brat throwing tantrums again.

    The whites here usually don't behave well, and i don't welcome them in any number. I do not care if the Anglos or Celtics or Scottish or Welsh or Irish whatever are considered European whites or not. I just question legality of these people occupying my ancestor land by gunboats.

    The World is under invasion, precisely because our countries are desirable to live in & you come univited with gunboats, unlike Chinese they arrived as legal migrants contributing to our welfare & economy under invitation.

    When Ming dynasty Zhenghe majestic navy fleet visited us, they left us in peace without molestation. After many hundreds years, your ancester come, killed our men, raped our women, slaved our children, stole our land. And make us perform war dance to help earn tourism $ for you. Feeding us with junk food to make us obese, then evil you claim there is no poverty & starvation.

    The Irish turned Ireland into a rich country on their own. The Irish government now wants to grow the population by 20% through mass invasion. Why? Ask your own greedy whites leaders, none of our business. Just leave our land in peace, go back to your own ancestor land to fight among yourself.

    Canada and Australia weren’t particularly appealing real estate before Whites arrived. Why are we legally inviting in Chinese? Good question.

    I put the welfare of me and mine first. Isn’t that normal? I have enjoyed posting here because it is so easy to cause Chinese to melt down. I find using the expression 天皇陛下萬歲 works really well.

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    Simple, they are wealthy, you are poor. They are well educated, well behaved, no crimes, contribute to society. You are not. So your gov choose them over you.

    This is 6millions qn. Every developed countries are getting screw by this WMM now, mine too so i understand your painful ass. Some stupid scholars come out such theory of importing mass migrants will solve aging population & give economic population bonus. Its akin to invite 10 strangers to live & share ownership of your family house that your forefathers work hard to built. Then hope they can contribute some bill payment to make the household income higher.

    But don't needle the Chinese, its your capitalism whites leaders fault. Chinese are better than Indian, that my country is now been taken over.
    , @Joe Wong
    But it was the Japanese who chopped the Canuck and Aussie heads off, abused the Canuck and Aussie along your blood kin the Britons and Yankees in prison camps, used them as specimen and dissect them alive in the bio-chem war experiments, and bombed Australia. Don’t you have any empathy for your own kind and hate and feel vindictive toward those perpetrator beastly Japanese at all? You have such fond love with the Japanese is not normal, it appears you have Stockholm syndrome.

    Besides it was the Japanese destroyed the auto industry in Australia, treated Australia like economic colony after WWII, why are you (Canuck or Aussie) accepting Japanese abuse so contentedly? Would you happen to be a Jap or a Jap wannabe DPP member?
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  • @TT
    By the way, our down under Kiwis native has asked me pass a message to you.

    One more thing. My desire to maintain my race and culture has nothing to do with the whites whatsoever that invade and colonized my ancester land violently. This is about us, not you. Your country has very absurd policy to let in everyone is your problem, have spine then go back revolt don't whine here like spoilt brat throwing tantrums again.

    The whites here usually don't behave well, and i don't welcome them in any number. I do not care if the Anglos or Celtics or Scottish or Welsh or Irish whatever are considered European whites or not. I just question legality of these people occupying my ancestor land by gunboats.

    The World is under invasion, precisely because our countries are desirable to live in & you come univited with gunboats, unlike Chinese they arrived as legal migrants contributing to our welfare & economy under invitation.

    When Ming dynasty Zhenghe majestic navy fleet visited us, they left us in peace without molestation. After many hundreds years, your ancester come, killed our men, raped our women, slaved our children, stole our land. And make us perform war dance to help earn tourism $ for you. Feeding us with junk food to make us obese, then evil you claim there is no poverty & starvation.

    The Irish turned Ireland into a rich country on their own. The Irish government now wants to grow the population by 20% through mass invasion. Why? Ask your own greedy whites leaders, none of our business. Just leave our land in peace, go back to your own ancestor land to fight among yourself.

    Nice to know what you really think. Diversity is not going to work.

    And Zheng He’s exploration of the entire planet is just silly. It didn’t happen. It’s China’s answer to Wakanda.

    And Tibetans and the native population of Taiwan know how wonderful it is to be colonised by Han Chinese.

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    Nice to know what you really think. Diversity is not going to work
     
    Its easy to understand people's angst against a tsunami of foreigners ,
    I know it first hand,
    Its only human .


    I can even understand , tho not empathise, with Malaysia's preferential policies favoring the Malays, afterall, self preservation is a human instinct.

    But,
    I have a hard time empathising with so-called white genocide ....

    Firstly,
    Whiteys like to pick on the Chinese , dont take my words for it, RU is crawling with such Chinese hating white supremacists.

    Secondly, they scream at legit Chinese immigrants,
    even tho they themselves were illegit invaders who ursurped the indigenuous lands in North America/Oz.,/NZ/Hawaii/GUam/Puerto Rico,.

    And the land grabbing continues unabated right into the 21C,
    Diego Garcia,
    Okinawa,
    Jeju island., Iraq, Kosovo, Syria.....
    'Hey Saddat, We'r here to help you fight the ISIS, whether you like it or not' !
    Such hubris !

    The next time whiteys whine about alien invasion,
    remember this....

    Its your 'deep state' , the globalists, which engineered the white genocide in EU and Indian WMM in Sikkim/Nepal/Myanmar/Singapore etc/
    ethnic cleansing in Diego Garcia/Okinawa./Jeju and...........
    purported 'white genocide' at home !

    Confucius sez
    Don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you.

    Karma is a bitch,,,...
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  • TT says:
    @22pp22
    One more thing. My desire to maintain my race and culture has nothing to do with the Chinese. This is about us, not you. China has very sensibly maintained its border controls and kicked out its African illegal immigrants. Israel has done the same. I think we should too.

    The people I hate are not Chinese, it is our own elites who have decided to parade their smug moral vanity by opening up our countries to aliens with whom I neither have nor wish to have anything in common. The White Australia Policy was a good one.

    These same super-moral elites then have no compunction about raining bombs on anyone they deem insufficiently democratic.

    The Chinese here usually behave well, but I don't welcome their coming in large numbers. When I was at university, we had both Chinese students and Taiwanese students in our class. One Taiwanese said: "I am not Chinese: I am Taiwanese" and the Chinese girl burst into tears and ran out of the room. I saw similar incidents more than once.

    I do not care if the Taiwanese are considered Chinese or not. I just question the wisdom of allowing in large numbers of people whose loyalties will always be somewhere else.

    I feel ten times more strongly about Muslims than I do about Chinese.

    The Western World is under invasion, precisely because our countries are desirable to live in. The Irish turned Ireland into a rich country on their own. The Irish government now wants to grow the population by 20% through mass invasion. Why?

    By the way, our down under Kiwis native has asked me pass a message to you.

    One more thing. My desire to maintain my race and culture has nothing to do with the whites whatsoever that invade and colonized my ancester land violently. This is about us, not you. Your country has very absurd policy to let in everyone is your problem, have spine then go back revolt don’t whine here like spoilt brat throwing tantrums again.

    The whites here usually don’t behave well, and i don’t welcome them in any number. I do not care if the Anglos or Celtics or Scottish or Welsh or Irish whatever are considered European whites or not. I just question legality of these people occupying my ancestor land by gunboats.

    The World is under invasion, precisely because our countries are desirable to live in & you come univited with gunboats, unlike Chinese they arrived as legal migrants contributing to our welfare & economy under invitation.

    When Ming dynasty Zhenghe majestic navy fleet visited us, they left us in peace without molestation. After many hundreds years, your ancester come, killed our men, raped our women, slaved our children, stole our land. And make us perform war dance to help earn tourism $ for you. Feeding us with junk food to make us obese, then evil you claim there is no poverty & starvation.

    The Irish turned Ireland into a rich country on their own. The Irish government now wants to grow the population by 20% through mass invasion. Why? Ask your own greedy whites leaders, none of our business. Just leave our land in peace, go back to your own ancestor land to fight among yourself.

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    Nice to know what you really think. Diversity is not going to work.

    And Zheng He's exploration of the entire planet is just silly. It didn't happen. It's China's answer to Wakanda.

    And Tibetans and the native population of Taiwan know how wonderful it is to be colonised by Han Chinese.

    , @22pp22
    Canada and Australia weren't particularly appealing real estate before Whites arrived. Why are we legally inviting in Chinese? Good question.

    I put the welfare of me and mine first. Isn't that normal? I have enjoyed posting here because it is so easy to cause Chinese to melt down. I find using the expression 天皇陛下萬歲 works really well.

    , @Bliss

    By the way, our down under Kiwis native has asked me pass a message to you.......When Ming dynasty Zhenghe majestic navy fleet visited us, they left us in peace without molestation. After many hundreds years, your ancester come, killed our men, raped our women, slaved our children, stole our land. And make us perform war dance to help earn tourism $ for you.
     
    1. Zheng He never went to what’s now New Zealand. Not even close.

    2. The Polynesian natives of New Zealand are known as Maoris. The term Kiwis applies to all New Zealanders, the majority of whom are not Maoris.

    It is pretty obvious that you just made up this BS. You seem to be a congenitally dishonest person.

    Btw, the Maoris and other Pacific Islanders are related to the Malays that you despise. Secondly, Zheng He was a muslim from the southwestern province of Yunnan and his 7 voyages led him to muslim ports in Malaya, Bangladesh, Maldives, Iran, Oman, Yemen, Saudi. Arabia, Somalia, Kenya etc (as well as buddhist Sri Lanka and Thailand, and hindu South India).


    http://exploration.marinersmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/7/2014/05/800px-Zheng_He.png
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  • TT says:
    @Bliss

    But still ave IQ & PISA is brought down significantly by them. . Recent ave IQ has dropped if you see 10yrs result, South Indians migration increase Indian ratio from 2% to 9%....Majority (80%?) Malays & Indians are less educated, low paid workers, & highest crimes, like blacks in US.
     
    Singapore has the highest IQ and the lowest crime rate with a 25% non-chinese population. Only a stupid and shameless liar would draw the conclusions that you have above.

    How do you explain the fact that with 25% non-chinese Singapore has a lower crime rate and higher IQ than East Asian nations with hardly any muslim malays and hindu indians?

    Show us where you learned that Singaporean IQ has dropped in the last 10 years. And show us where you learned that 10 years ago the population of indians was only 2%.

    And show us where you learned that 10 years ago the population of indians was only 2%.

    This i muz apologize for mistaken others 2% as Indian, it should be 6~7% 20+yrs ago, as i had another discussion with Denk over India WMM flooding Spore, i qn how it increase 2% to 9%, no one corrected me so i didn’t realized the mistake. Mistake & shameless lying is different, dear Bliss.

    Indian residents however rose to 9.2% in 2010 due to an increase in the number of Indians migrant workers (compared to 7.4% Indians in the figures for citizens).[44]

    Ethnic composition of resident population
    Ethnic group 1970 [45] 1980 [45] 1990 [11] 2000 [11] 2010 [11] 2011 [11] 2012 [11] 2013 [11] 2015 [46]
    Chinese 77.0% 78.3% 77.8% 76.8% 74.1% 74.1% 74.2% 74.2% 74.3%
    Malays 14.8% 14.4% 14.0% 13.9% 13.4% 13.4% 13.3% 13.3% 13.3%
    Indians 7.0% 6.3% 7.1% 7.9% 9.2% 9.2% 9.2% 9.1% 9.1%
    Others 1.2% 1.0% 1.1% 1.4% 3.3% 3.3% 3.3% 3.3% 3.2%

    On July 1989 Singapore’s 2,674,362 residents were divided into 2,043,213 Chinese (76.4 percent), 398,480 Malays (14.9 percent), 171,160 Indians (6.4 percent), and 61,511 others (2.3 percent).

    2000 census, ethnic Chinese make up 76.8 percent of the population. Malay (13.9 percent), Indian (mostly Tamil, 7.9 percent), or other (1.4 percent).

    There were 3.2 million citizens in 2009.[80] Various Chinese linguistic groups formed 74.2% of Singapore’s residents, Malays 13.4%, Indians 9.2%, while Eurasians, Arabs and other groups formed 3.2%.

    2015. The same census also reports that about 74.1% of residents were of Chinese descent, 13.4% of Malay descent, 9.2% of Indian descent, and 3.3% of other (including Eurasian) descent.[258]

    There is no data available for breakdown racial in non-residents.

    The government in recent years has faced a growing backlash against a surge of foreigners who now account for about a third of Singapore’s work force. Resentment toward the government’s loose immigration policies helped lower the vote won by the ruling People’s Action Party to its lowest level since independence in 1965 during parliamentary elections

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    This i muz apologize for mistaken others 2% as Indian, it should be 6~7% 20+yrs ago
     
    Mistaken? How could anyone from Singapore possibly be ignorant of the fact that Singapore’s Indian population has never been anywhere as low as 2%?

    https://www.murdoch.edu.au/Research-capabilities/Asia-Research-Centre/_document/working-papers/wp124.pdf

    On political independence, the racial composition of the population was approximately 78% Chinese, 15% Malays and 7% South Asians.
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