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    The demographers of the United Nation's Population Division have quietly released their World Population Prospects: 2015 Revision report. Above is a graph I put together from their new data that explains much about the "Migrant Crisis" of 2015. As you can see, way back in 1950, the population of the Middle East was only 18%...
  • […] Second, even with or without the Mexico City Policy, concerns about a population explosion in black Africa are moot. […]

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  • What with demand for Volkswagens soaring, German Chancellor Merkel's decision to let in (literally) countless numbers of newcomers from the Muslim world is being hailed as an economic masterstroke that will counteract the deleterious wage-boosting effects of the number of working-age residents in Germany being otherwise expected to plunge from 49.2 million in 2013 all...
  • […] into submission. Most people would suspect that bringing in hordes of low-IQ, illiterate, and inbred immigrants might not just be “bad for the economy” but wreak quasi-permanent damage on one’s […]

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  • The demographers of the United Nation's Population Division have quietly released their World Population Prospects: 2015 Revision report. Above is a graph I put together from their new data that explains much about the "Migrant Crisis" of 2015. As you can see, way back in 1950, the population of the Middle East was only 18%...
  • […] credit: Steve Sailer; Data from the United Nations World Population Prospects […]

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  • From Gulf News: From Al-Jazeera: 600 Africans stranded after traveling to Costa Rica Government warns of a possible looming crisis as it blocks hundreds of people from moving forward en route to US. John Holman | 21 Apr 2016 11:28 GMT | Latin America, Costa Rica, Migrants More than 600 people from several African countries...
  • @Jefferson
    "Vigilance by who, though? Our own government apparently wants to trade us in for a better, at least browner, model."

    So the U.S government thinks people from The Congo are a better model than Northern European Americans?

    Your question is your answer: Drop ‘So” and end with a period instead of question mark, then substitute “people from The Congo are” with “anyone else is”.

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  • @Discard
    My understanding seems to be confirmed. Given their proximity, 5% is not very many.

    Indeed. Imagine a California, never mind the rest of the country, that was only 5% Mexican.

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    My understanding seems to be confirmed. Given their proximity, 5% is not very many.

    Indeed. Imagine California, never mind the rest of the country, that was only 5% Mexican.

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  • @Jefferson
    "My understanding is that the Domincan Republic wants nothing to do with Haitians. Life is tough enough there without importing more stupid mouths to feed."

    Haitians make up 5 percent of The Dominican Republic's population.

    My understanding seems to be confirmed. Given their proximity, 5% is not very many.

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    Indeed. Imagine California, never mind the rest of the country, that was only 5% Mexican.
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    Indeed. Imagine a California, never mind the rest of the country, that was only 5% Mexican.
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  • @SteveO
    How the hell did these folks manage this trip? They had to cross the Atlantic - granted at its narrowest point, but still a long way across open ocean. Then, assuming they arrived in Northeast Brazil, they had to cross the widest part of that large country, including the most remote part of the continent. (Despite Brazil being a racially mixed nation, French-speaking Africans would stand out there.) They crossed into Colombia, where Africans would stand out even more, basically in the middle of the Amazon jungle.

    Somehow, they made it over the Cordillera to reach the Panama border, which is another remote corner of the world and one infested with various nefarious characters.

    I am in no way suggesting that we should should let them in when I say that I admire their persistence, fortitude and resourcefulness.

    Well, that is, unless they flew they whole way. Obviously, they must have had help, but who? And what kind of help?

    An odyssey like this calls for some sort of explanation.

    I concur that they must have had help. I believe the current invasion of the southern border is also being financed by unknown entities, though it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that it was my tax dollars involved.

    It would probably only take an actual reporter asking some of the migrants who was paying the bill to find out. Alas, that doesn’t seem likely to happen.

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  • I was delighted to learn that one of the factions in the ongoing civil war in Yemen attacked and sacked our embassy there forcing the State Department to withdraw its personnel. Hallelujah I thought. No visas for the extended family of some corrupt convenience store owner in Mississippi. No cousin bride for a used ( stolen?) car dealer in New Jersey. At least for awhile.

    It is astonishing to learn how much money these ‘destitute’ people from Somalia, Sudan etc. can put together to undertake these journeys. Surveys show that half of the people in the US cannot come up with $500 for a ER visit or car repair yet, somehow, a savage from Subsaharan Africa can put together thousands of dollars to head off for the West.

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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    How come we didn't see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen.

    They went to Brazil for some reason.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Brazilian

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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    How come we didn't see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen.

    We did. The big media just made sure you didn’t know about it.

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2011-05-20.html

    [scroll down to end of item 06]

    Per Derbyshire, we got about 58,000 new “Americans” in the first year and a half after the earthquake, and those are just the ones the semi-competent government knows about. I’m sure there are more by now.

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  • @anon
    When Shakespeare wrote 'to be or not to be' , he was writing in his mother tongue , ebonics.

    http://imgur.com/nfZaehe

    Shakespeare with a tan might look like that. What’s impossible is Jesus with a Nordic appearance. Now that’s a distortion.

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  • @Triumph104
    Singapore's fertility rate (1.29 children per woman) is lower than Japan's. I was surprised to learn that 20 percent of Singapore's population are immigrants, to compensate for the low birth rate. Mainly wealthy or poor with lots from China and India.

    Half of the citizens would leave Singapore if they could. Life isn't that pleasant for the middle class, expensive housing, almost impossible to own a car. Poor immigrants live like prisoners and the Indians had a riot in 2013. The first riot in Singapore in about 40 years.

    At least their immigrants are mostly from China, going to a mostly Chinese polity. Sure, there might have been a cultural shift in all those years of initial separation, but there shouldn’t be any problems if you pick your immigrants wisely. Singapore, while being diverse, is still the only majority Chinese nations in the SE Asia. They never thanked the British properly for that.

    I’ve always wondered why these small time, but successful nations, don’t seek to expand their borders, not just at the expense of their neighbors, but also throughout the world. Like the old Venetians. Singapore could do it.

    What would it mean for them to grab or buy Zanzibar, for instance? It would quadruple Singapore’s landmass over night and place them closer to strategic opportunities for trade. It wouldn’t be the same as having a contiguous territory, but still.

    PS If you remove Gypsies from the equation, the already small TFR of some Eastern European nations, mine included, are lower than that of Japan or China.

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  • @Priss Factor
    http://www.abc10.com/sports/windsor-high-school-basketball-star-found-to-be-30-years-old/147137551

    Camp of Saints jumps the shark and slam-dunks the ball.

    White lunacy turning into parody.

    What’s wrong with that? We have been told forever that sex and race are just social constructs, so why not age? If I “identify” as a woman, I can use the women’s room. So if I identify as 17 years old, why can’t I be a high school student?

    C’mon, man! Get with the program.

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  • @Discard
    My understanding is that the Domincan Republic wants nothing to do with Haitians. Life is tough enough there without importing more stupid mouths to feed.

    “My understanding is that the Domincan Republic wants nothing to do with Haitians. Life is tough enough there without importing more stupid mouths to feed.”

    Haitians make up 5 percent of The Dominican Republic’s population.

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    My understanding seems to be confirmed. Given their proximity, 5% is not very many.
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  • @Evocatus
    Most of them probably went to the Dominican Republic

    My understanding is that the Domincan Republic wants nothing to do with Haitians. Life is tough enough there without importing more stupid mouths to feed.

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    "My understanding is that the Domincan Republic wants nothing to do with Haitians. Life is tough enough there without importing more stupid mouths to feed."

    Haitians make up 5 percent of The Dominican Republic's population.
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  • @Priss Factor
    http://www.abc10.com/sports/windsor-high-school-basketball-star-found-to-be-30-years-old/147137551

    Camp of Saints jumps the shark and slam-dunks the ball.

    White lunacy turning into parody.

    This has been happening in African football forever.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So, basically black Africans realize that the ancient and time honored trick of ‘conning the EU bureaucrat’ works and works like a charm, and are now extending the same principle to the good ol’ US of A.

    Strangely enough, black Africans have always looked upon the USA and not Europe as their ‘promised land’ due – believe it or not – to the ‘success’ of African-Americans.

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  • @anon
    There's a lot of NGOs involved in this behind the scenes and given the gradual winding down of the global economy ships are prob cheap right now. So my guess is someone like Soros or the UN chartered a ship.

    It's not an accident. They intend replacement.

    http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm

    Singapore’s fertility rate (1.29 children per woman) is lower than Japan’s. I was surprised to learn that 20 percent of Singapore’s population are immigrants, to compensate for the low birth rate. Mainly wealthy or poor with lots from China and India.

    Half of the citizens would leave Singapore if they could. Life isn’t that pleasant for the middle class, expensive housing, almost impossible to own a car. Poor immigrants live like prisoners and the Indians had a riot in 2013. The first riot in Singapore in about 40 years.

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    At least their immigrants are mostly from China, going to a mostly Chinese polity. Sure, there might have been a cultural shift in all those years of initial separation, but there shouldn't be any problems if you pick your immigrants wisely. Singapore, while being diverse, is still the only majority Chinese nations in the SE Asia. They never thanked the British properly for that.

    I've always wondered why these small time, but successful nations, don't seek to expand their borders, not just at the expense of their neighbors, but also throughout the world. Like the old Venetians. Singapore could do it.

    What would it mean for them to grab or buy Zanzibar, for instance? It would quadruple Singapore's landmass over night and place them closer to strategic opportunities for trade. It wouldn't be the same as having a contiguous territory, but still.

    PS If you remove Gypsies from the equation, the already small TFR of some Eastern European nations, mine included, are lower than that of Japan or China.

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  • @International Jew
    Steve, your "world's most important graph" is optimistic. According to a Scientific American article two months back, Africa's current rate of population growth implies not four billion Africans by 2100 but 16 billion. The authors assure us that that could never happen, but whatever it is that's going to slow things down, they're vague on. As liberals, they're full of hope for education and "women's empowerment" of course.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/africa-s-population-will-soar-dangerously-unless-women-are-more-empowered/

    They’ll carry on until they breach our carrying capacity because doing that made sense when we weren’t part of their environment.

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  • @anon
    When Shakespeare wrote 'to be or not to be' , he was writing in his mother tongue , ebonics.

    http://imgur.com/nfZaehe

    If they erase white people from the present and future they need to erase white people from the past as well or people will notice.

    It’s like getting rid of the witnesses.

    Although the whole planet are witnesses so…

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  • Steve, your “world’s most important graph” is optimistic. According to a Scientific American article two months back, Africa’s current rate of population growth implies not four billion Africans by 2100 but 16 billion. The authors assure us that that could never happen, but whatever it is that’s going to slow things down, they’re vague on. As liberals, they’re full of hope for education and “women’s empowerment” of course.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/africa-s-population-will-soar-dangerously-unless-women-are-more-empowered/

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    They'll carry on until they breach our carrying capacity because doing that made sense when we weren't part of their environment.
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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    How come we didn't see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen.

    Since 2011 Haitians have had Temporary Protective Status. Once in the US they can’t be forced to leave and are allowed to work.

    Haitians can go to the Dominican Republic, be smuggled to Puerto Rico and only need a driver’s license to fly to the US (no passport needed).

    There is a Camp of the Saints in the Bahamas. Undocumented Haitians make up as much as 15 percent of the Bahamian population.

    https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/temporary-protected-status#Countries%20Currently%20Designated%20for%20TPS

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/haitian-illegal-immigration-puerto-rico-skyrocketing-too-021611125.html?ref=gs

    http://www.tribune242.com/news/2013/jul/29/haitians-50000-living-bahamas-without-documents/

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Chris Mallory
    Of course the US Navy is busy playing idiotic games in the Baltic and the South China Sea. Bringing the ships back to the Western Hemisphere to guard our borders is unthinkable thanks to the NeoCons.

    We should be sinking every one of these invaders.

    Of course the US Navy is busy playing idiotic games in the Baltic and the South China Sea. Bringing the ships back to the Western Hemisphere to guard our borders is unthinkable thanks to the NeoCons.

    We should be sinking every one of these invaders.

    And we’re now arming Salafist rebels in Syria with MANPADS to shoot down Syrian and Russian aircraft. I’m sure this won’t turn into another clusterfuck. The West has become like one of those rich celebrities who at the end of his life is doing crazy shit, being abused, and having his affairs and estate controlled by his grifter paramour.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "Polly Perkins"] says:

    http://www.abc10.com/sports/windsor-high-school-basketball-star-found-to-be-30-years-old/147137551

    Camp of Saints jumps the shark and slam-dunks the ball.

    White lunacy turning into parody.

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    This has been happening in African football forever.
    , @Jim Don Bob
    What's wrong with that? We have been told forever that sex and race are just social constructs, so why not age? If I "identify" as a woman, I can use the women's room. So if I identify as 17 years old, why can't I be a high school student?

    C'mon, man! Get with the program.
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  • @Jefferson
    "They crossed into Colombia, where Africans would stand out even more,"

    https://youtu.be/5Puzl91T0Ek
    https://youtu.be/-6Jpx_pCKsY

    Yes, I know there are lots of blacks in Colombia, but they are concentrated along the Pacific coast. The interior has fewer. However, not zero, so … fair point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Colombians#/media/File:Mapa_de_Colombia_%28poblaci%C3%B3n_afrodescendiente_2005%29.svg

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  • One sentence to correct:
    “Last year, the Obama administration tried to pass off Central American gang violence as justification for letting in unaccompanied youths. ”
    Should read:
    “Last year, the Obama administration tried to pass off Central American gang violence as justification for letting in unaccompanied Central American gang youths. “

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  • I have one solution, that I would like feedback on: If these nations in Africa are so terrible that the majority populations want to just empty out and vacate the nation, and it would be inhumane to ask Africans to live in their homelands, these failed nations should be making the primary compromises and sacrifices, not Europe or US or Australia.

    Specifically, convert parts of those failed African nations into globalized nation states with no majority rule democracy, but rather right of exit.

    If Africans can vote on a ballot, they vote for nations that are inhumane to live in. If Africans vote with their feet, they prefer a more European or Western nation. Let the global capitalist types build global nation state options in Africa and let Africans vote with their feet if they want to live there. This is the most win-win happy solution I can imagine. In the meantime, pump the brakes on mass migration, that will just be a massive disaster for everyone.

    Also, voting for leaders and technocrats may be better than various monarch or dictatorships, but even in USA and Europe, it’s highly flawed. This is an opportunity to try something better that can make everyone’s lives better.

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  • @The Alarmist

    "I am in no way suggesting that we should should let them in when I say that I admire their persistence, fortitude and resourcefulness. "
     
    Given their persistence and hardiness, one might be intrigued by the natural-selection effect these people might have on the black population in the Americas as they mix in ... do we need to look again at the so-called "killer bees" (also introduced from Africa into the US via South America) to have an insight into what we might be facing?

    If they are so full of fortitude and resourcefulness they could fix the home country.

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  • @San Fernando Curt
    Vigilance by who, though? Our own government apparently wants to trade us in for a better, at least browner, model. They're even bringing in white-collar replacements. Our factories have been shipped overseas and most endure Americans squat wages in menial service jobs. We are, in the public square, at best butts of vicious jibes, at worst racist monsters awaiting po', put-upon targets of opportunity who are genuine victims the way tulips are rocks. Never have our political and economic elites had more open contempt for us. To protect something - like us - it must be valued. Our betters apparently feel they have nothing to protect.

    “Vigilance by who, though? Our own government apparently wants to trade us in for a better, at least browner, model.”

    So the U.S government thinks people from The Congo are a better model than Northern European Americans?

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    Your question is your answer: Drop 'So" and end with a period instead of question mark, then substitute "people from The Congo are" with "anyone else is".
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  • @SteveO
    How the hell did these folks manage this trip? They had to cross the Atlantic - granted at its narrowest point, but still a long way across open ocean. Then, assuming they arrived in Northeast Brazil, they had to cross the widest part of that large country, including the most remote part of the continent. (Despite Brazil being a racially mixed nation, French-speaking Africans would stand out there.) They crossed into Colombia, where Africans would stand out even more, basically in the middle of the Amazon jungle.

    Somehow, they made it over the Cordillera to reach the Panama border, which is another remote corner of the world and one infested with various nefarious characters.

    I am in no way suggesting that we should should let them in when I say that I admire their persistence, fortitude and resourcefulness.

    Well, that is, unless they flew they whole way. Obviously, they must have had help, but who? And what kind of help?

    An odyssey like this calls for some sort of explanation.

    “They crossed into Colombia, where Africans would stand out even more,”

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    Yes, I know there are lots of blacks in Colombia, but they are concentrated along the Pacific coast. The interior has fewer. However, not zero, so ... fair point.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Colombians#/media/File:Mapa_de_Colombia_%28poblaci%C3%B3n_afrodescendiente_2005%29.svg
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  • Camp of the Saints is inevitable. Get ready for it. This story about a cuckservative evangelical says it all:

    One of the central themes of Christianity is, after all, that God, through His Son, is calling people from every tongue, tribe and nation. Grasping diversity will make the world stronger as we marvel at God’s creative genius on display through His people’s varying pigments, personalities and proficiencies. Our differences are cause for celebration, not scorn.

    The Scriptures testify that God has always pleaded for the protection of his most helpless and needy image-bearers. Another prevalent theme of the Bible is that God adopts believers into his own family. When we adopt, we are echoing his own compassionate work, giving the world a glimpse of the truth and beauty of the gospel.

    There is something beautiful and enriching being the only white face sitting and chatting with some of my African-American friends as my son gets his hair cut on a Saturday morning. There is also something wonderful in the relationship that is built as my wife asks a black friend on Facebook how to care for our little biracial daughter’s hair. The beauty of a multi-ethnic family is found there, in the fact that the differences are the very thing that make ours richer and fuller. It forces you to think in a new way about the way you think, speak, act and live.

    Shmuley Boteach and other low rent “Men with Gold Chains” hustlers may do some limited damage with their short-sighted hustler’s greed, but God Save Us from the Godly.

    It is cuckservatives like Aaron Halbert who do the most damage, out of sincere Christian devotion. You can’t take issue with what Halbert says about Christianity, like the flip side of ISIS that is Christianity.

    The idea that somehow, America could survive or that we could recreate the near Utopia of middle class White Suburban California that Steve and I both remember is a false hope. It will NEVER happen. Men like Aaron Halbert and his wife will make sure it fails. In a sea of Africans and Muslims. It is rather our duty to survive as individuals and a culture; knowing that Europe is going to be innundated too as there are far too many Christians there also. There is no place to run to — the fatal tragic flaw of White people is Christianity. I’m beginning to see Nietsche’s point about a slave religion.

    To be a Christian is to destroy White society in service of the Gospel. No matter that was not what Christianity was 100, or 200 years ago, that is what it is now. Just as Islam is the Caliphate and ISIS, no matter than Ibn Khaldun wrote poetry extolling wine in the Middle Ages.

    We are in a slasher movie that will never end. Jason, Freddy, the Aliens, Predator, Mike Myers, etc. will just keep coming. It is time to put aside false hopes and focus on individual and collective survival, knowing no place on earth will be White majority or even close to it and every place will be anti-White to an extreme degree. We can thank good Christian men like Aaron for that too.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    This is not a major threat at the moment. But the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
     
    I disagree. I think we are on the verge of events spinning badly out of control.

    How’s that? The descendants of the men who founded this country are killing themselves very day. Their children and grandchildren have been fully indoctrinated and now believe that if there is just one person offended by any remnant of western civ, then it should all be destroyed. Spinning out control implies some element of resistance. There is nobody left to.

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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    How come we didn't see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen.

    How come we didn’t see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen.

    Logistics.

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  • Border probes along the Africa-Brazil-Central America-Mexico-U.S. route are getting more insistent. This is a worrisome threat, but also a political opportunity. Time to build the Hillary Wall.

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  • buy gold, guns, ammo and mres

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  • This is not a major threat at the moment. But the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

    I disagree. I think we are on the verge of events spinning badly out of control.

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    How's that? The descendants of the men who founded this country are killing themselves very day. Their children and grandchildren have been fully indoctrinated and now believe that if there is just one person offended by any remnant of western civ, then it should all be destroyed. Spinning out control implies some element of resistance. There is nobody left to.
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  • Steve, you seem to implying that having another 40 million Africans in the USA would be a bad thing.

    From what I can tell, there’s nothing the average American loves more than an African-American. We have an African-American President, just put one on the $20 bill, and even have an African American holiday. Not to mention Oprah, Michael Jordan, and Prince (may he rest in peace).

    And for Whites, at least, the biggest trump card in any debate is the race card.

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  • @SteveO
    How the hell did these folks manage this trip? They had to cross the Atlantic - granted at its narrowest point, but still a long way across open ocean. Then, assuming they arrived in Northeast Brazil, they had to cross the widest part of that large country, including the most remote part of the continent. (Despite Brazil being a racially mixed nation, French-speaking Africans would stand out there.) They crossed into Colombia, where Africans would stand out even more, basically in the middle of the Amazon jungle.

    Somehow, they made it over the Cordillera to reach the Panama border, which is another remote corner of the world and one infested with various nefarious characters.

    I am in no way suggesting that we should should let them in when I say that I admire their persistence, fortitude and resourcefulness.

    Well, that is, unless they flew they whole way. Obviously, they must have had help, but who? And what kind of help?

    An odyssey like this calls for some sort of explanation.

    There’s a lot of NGOs involved in this behind the scenes and given the gradual winding down of the global economy ships are prob cheap right now. So my guess is someone like Soros or the UN chartered a ship.

    It’s not an accident. They intend replacement.

    http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm

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    Singapore's fertility rate (1.29 children per woman) is lower than Japan's. I was surprised to learn that 20 percent of Singapore's population are immigrants, to compensate for the low birth rate. Mainly wealthy or poor with lots from China and India.

    Half of the citizens would leave Singapore if they could. Life isn't that pleasant for the middle class, expensive housing, almost impossible to own a car. Poor immigrants live like prisoners and the Indians had a riot in 2013. The first riot in Singapore in about 40 years.
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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    How come we didn't see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen.

    I think the recent rise in nationalist parties in Europe made them think they had to finish the job faster.

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  • Of course the US Navy is busy playing idiotic games in the Baltic and the South China Sea. Bringing the ships back to the Western Hemisphere to guard our borders is unthinkable thanks to the NeoCons.

    We should be sinking every one of these invaders.

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    Of course the US Navy is busy playing idiotic games in the Baltic and the South China Sea. Bringing the ships back to the Western Hemisphere to guard our borders is unthinkable thanks to the NeoCons.

    We should be sinking every one of these invaders.
     

    And we're now arming Salafist rebels in Syria with MANPADS to shoot down Syrian and Russian aircraft. I'm sure this won't turn into another clusterfuck. The West has become like one of those rich celebrities who at the end of his life is doing crazy shit, being abused, and having his affairs and estate controlled by his grifter paramour.
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  • As the crow flies, the closest U.S. state to Africa is Maine:

    http://www.acscdg.com/usaafrica.html

    But maybe the Southern route is more hospitable due to prevailing winds or islands along the way.

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  • So we hear about Obama’s new African trail of tears through Central America the same week he takes Jackson off the twenty. Beautiful.

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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    How come we didn't see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen.

    Most of them probably went to the Dominican Republic

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    My understanding is that the Domincan Republic wants nothing to do with Haitians. Life is tough enough there without importing more stupid mouths to feed.
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  • I wish this wound have happened a bit later. If we let them in now then that gives ammunition to the immigration restrictionists. There is a danger that the right wing will gain more support

    We need to find a way to hold this stuff up until after the election

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  • America’s borders, searching for weaknesses

    Stop with the comedy, Steve, you are killing us.

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  • When Shakespeare wrote ‘to be or not to be’ , he was writing in his mother tongue , ebonics.

    http://imgur.com/nfZaehe

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    If they erase white people from the present and future they need to erase white people from the past as well or people will notice.

    It's like getting rid of the witnesses.

    Although the whole planet are witnesses so...
    , @Anonymous
    Shakespeare with a tan might look like that. What's impossible is Jesus with a Nordic appearance. Now that's a distortion.
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  • I sometimes read Spanish language newspapers in Central America to satisfy my curiosity and practice Spanish, and I have found a number of advertisements from American immigration lawyers with primers on what to say when crossing the US border. Claiming discrimination on the basis of domestic violence (women from certain Central American countries can theoretically gain the enormously privileged “refugee” status if they are from areas deemed sexist) has been one tool, but I suspect a lot of Africans will claim discrimination on the basis of LGBT or something along those lines. It could be anything that works. Chinese, for example, used to claim they were forced into abortions, and I’ll bet good money this had something to do with the Chinese birth tourism phenomenon that’s still a problem today. Expect the lawyers to think something up so that they can get more clients (paid for by you, the taxpayer) and keep the game going.

    We Americans have to figure out some way to control our own white-collar criminals, but lately we’ve been doing a terrible job of bringing them to heel. Maybe we have too many people in prison, but we certainly don’t have enough lawyers there.

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  • More than 600 people from several African countries are stranded after crossing the Atlantic by boat to Brazil and then passing through Colombia and Panama before getting stuck in Costa Rica en route to the United States.

    Crossing the Atlantic by boat and heading towards Brazil, Central America and the US is recreating the old slave trade routes. Of course it’s interesting that they are not headed for the Caribbean island states that are currently being run by the descendants of that original Atlantic crossing.

    Some people have suggested that the present day US descendants of slavery are the luckiest Africans in the world. This seems to confirm it.

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  • @SteveO
    How the hell did these folks manage this trip? They had to cross the Atlantic - granted at its narrowest point, but still a long way across open ocean. Then, assuming they arrived in Northeast Brazil, they had to cross the widest part of that large country, including the most remote part of the continent. (Despite Brazil being a racially mixed nation, French-speaking Africans would stand out there.) They crossed into Colombia, where Africans would stand out even more, basically in the middle of the Amazon jungle.

    Somehow, they made it over the Cordillera to reach the Panama border, which is another remote corner of the world and one infested with various nefarious characters.

    I am in no way suggesting that we should should let them in when I say that I admire their persistence, fortitude and resourcefulness.

    Well, that is, unless they flew they whole way. Obviously, they must have had help, but who? And what kind of help?

    An odyssey like this calls for some sort of explanation.

    “I am in no way suggesting that we should should let them in when I say that I admire their persistence, fortitude and resourcefulness. “

    Given their persistence and hardiness, one might be intrigued by the natural-selection effect these people might have on the black population in the Americas as they mix in … do we need to look again at the so-called “killer bees” (also introduced from Africa into the US via South America) to have an insight into what we might be facing?

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    If they are so full of fortitude and resourcefulness they could fix the home country.
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  • So with the success that Hamilton has enjoyed, google thought they would get in on the action. According to http://www.google.com (the most popular website in the world), shakespeare was actually a brown man who wrote plays featuring exclusively black people:

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  • the leftist presidente of Nicaragua, Daniel Ortega, out of solidarity with the Castro Brothers, has shut his southern border

    Or perhaps a call from the Obama/Hillary people asking him to hold off the Saint Camping until after the election? Ortega can figure this out himself though. Reagan and Bush I were not too good for leftist central American despots, nor would Trump.

    When Hillary wins, they can flood in and a fawning press will link the events, her win as a reputation of Trump’s racism and an open invitation to Third Worlders. She has already gone far to Obama’s left on immigration, Bernie’s as well.

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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    How come we didn't see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen.

    “How come we didn’t see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen.” – This is a very good question. Migration processes are not entirely spontaneous and due to natural causes. There must be a hidden hand.

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  • @SteveO
    How the hell did these folks manage this trip? They had to cross the Atlantic - granted at its narrowest point, but still a long way across open ocean. Then, assuming they arrived in Northeast Brazil, they had to cross the widest part of that large country, including the most remote part of the continent. (Despite Brazil being a racially mixed nation, French-speaking Africans would stand out there.) They crossed into Colombia, where Africans would stand out even more, basically in the middle of the Amazon jungle.

    Somehow, they made it over the Cordillera to reach the Panama border, which is another remote corner of the world and one infested with various nefarious characters.

    I am in no way suggesting that we should should let them in when I say that I admire their persistence, fortitude and resourcefulness.

    Well, that is, unless they flew they whole way. Obviously, they must have had help, but who? And what kind of help?

    An odyssey like this calls for some sort of explanation.

    “An odyssey like this calls for some sort of explanation.”

    Same explanation as to why & how Afghans swarm Australia.

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  • How the hell did these folks manage this trip? They had to cross the Atlantic – granted at its narrowest point, but still a long way across open ocean. Then, assuming they arrived in Northeast Brazil, they had to cross the widest part of that large country, including the most remote part of the continent. (Despite Brazil being a racially mixed nation, French-speaking Africans would stand out there.) They crossed into Colombia, where Africans would stand out even more, basically in the middle of the Amazon jungle.

    Somehow, they made it over the Cordillera to reach the Panama border, which is another remote corner of the world and one infested with various nefarious characters.

    I am in no way suggesting that we should should let them in when I say that I admire their persistence, fortitude and resourcefulness.

    Well, that is, unless they flew they whole way. Obviously, they must have had help, but who? And what kind of help?

    An odyssey like this calls for some sort of explanation.

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    "An odyssey like this calls for some sort of explanation."

    Same explanation as to why & how Afghans swarm Australia.
    , @The Alarmist

    "I am in no way suggesting that we should should let them in when I say that I admire their persistence, fortitude and resourcefulness. "
     
    Given their persistence and hardiness, one might be intrigued by the natural-selection effect these people might have on the black population in the Americas as they mix in ... do we need to look again at the so-called "killer bees" (also introduced from Africa into the US via South America) to have an insight into what we might be facing?
    , @anon
    There's a lot of NGOs involved in this behind the scenes and given the gradual winding down of the global economy ships are prob cheap right now. So my guess is someone like Soros or the UN chartered a ship.

    It's not an accident. They intend replacement.

    http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm
    , @Jefferson
    "They crossed into Colombia, where Africans would stand out even more,"

    https://youtu.be/5Puzl91T0Ek
    https://youtu.be/-6Jpx_pCKsY
    , @kaf
    I concur that they must have had help. I believe the current invasion of the southern border is also being financed by unknown entities, though it wouldn't surprise me to learn that it was my tax dollars involved.

    It would probably only take an actual reporter asking some of the migrants who was paying the bill to find out. Alas, that doesn't seem likely to happen.
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  • How come we didn’t see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen.

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    "How come we didn’t see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen." - This is a very good question. Migration processes are not entirely spontaneous and due to natural causes. There must be a hidden hand.
    , @Evocatus
    Most of them probably went to the Dominican Republic
    , @anon
    I think the recent rise in nationalist parties in Europe made them think they had to finish the job faster.
    , @another fred

    How come we didn’t see a Camp of the Saints event after the Haitian earthquake? That was as good an excuse as any for it to happen.
     
    Logistics.
    , @Triumph104
    Since 2011 Haitians have had Temporary Protective Status. Once in the US they can't be forced to leave and are allowed to work.

    Haitians can go to the Dominican Republic, be smuggled to Puerto Rico and only need a driver's license to fly to the US (no passport needed).

    There is a Camp of the Saints in the Bahamas. Undocumented Haitians make up as much as 15 percent of the Bahamian population.


    https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/temporary-protected-status#Countries%20Currently%20Designated%20for%20TPS
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/haitian-illegal-immigration-puerto-rico-skyrocketing-too-021611125.html?ref=gs
    http://www.tribune242.com/news/2013/jul/29/haitians-50000-living-bahamas-without-documents/

    , @Almost Missouri
    We did. The big media just made sure you didn't know about it.

    http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/RadioDerb/2011-05-20.html
    [scroll down to end of item 06]

    Per Derbyshire, we got about 58,000 new "Americans" in the first year and a half after the earthquake, and those are just the ones the semi-competent government knows about. I'm sure there are more by now.
    , @Bettega
    They went to Brazil for some reason.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Brazilian
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  • Vigilance by who, though? Our own government apparently wants to trade us in for a better, at least browner, model. They’re even bringing in white-collar replacements. Our factories have been shipped overseas and most endure Americans squat wages in menial service jobs. We are, in the public square, at best butts of vicious jibes, at worst racist monsters awaiting po’, put-upon targets of opportunity who are genuine victims the way tulips are rocks. Never have our political and economic elites had more open contempt for us. To protect something – like us – it must be valued. Our betters apparently feel they have nothing to protect.

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    "Vigilance by who, though? Our own government apparently wants to trade us in for a better, at least browner, model."

    So the U.S government thinks people from The Congo are a better model than Northern European Americans?
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  • The demographers of the United Nation's Population Division have quietly released their World Population Prospects: 2015 Revision report. Above is a graph I put together from their new data that explains much about the "Migrant Crisis" of 2015. As you can see, way back in 1950, the population of the Middle East was only 18%...
  • […] This is, I think, the founding intuition behind strong support for immigration by rich country elites: not that the importation of individuals with little education or marketable skills will reduce wages, as is often claimed, but that these individuals will be customers for goods and private and public services in a way that will keep the economy working (at least from the perspective of the people who create most of our perceptions and discourse.) Here, for example, are U.N. projection prospects: […]

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  • […] The Graph That Explains the Migrant Crises of 2016-2100, by Steve Sailer, who put togther this graph based on the U.N.’s 2015 revised population estimates: […]

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  • […] Steve Sailer; Daten von United Nations World Population Prospects […]

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  • […] There’s another bit to this and that is Germany will have to take the lead in defending Europe militarily. History has not ended and that means Europe will have to maintain a foreign policy and a military to back it. Russia will forever make mischief in Europe. That’s what Russians are put on earth to do so that has to be addressed. Then there’s the demographic issue to the south. […]

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  • […] in Africa remain the most high-fertility people in the world (See Steve Sailer’s “The World’s Most Important Graph“. If it is the case that U.S. Black and White fertility has very nearly converged, […]

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  • Out of the 187 countries represented by spheres, highlighted countries from bottom left to top right include: Pakistan is the pink sphere, Nigeria black, India indigo, Indonesia dark red, China mint green, Brazil blue, Mexico brown, Poland purple, UK yellow, Germany green, and USA red-white-and-blue red. It's hard for Westerners to grasp how many people...
  • […] Uncle Steve wonders, if we had open borders, how many would immigrate here and crunches some numbers. Of course, a lot of them are poorer than Argentina, which considers […]

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  • The Gallup Poll reports based on surveying 452,000 people in 151 countries in 2009-2011: Of course, 640 million adults wanting to emigrate does not included their dependent children and dependent elders. So, that's more like a billion or so. We're Number One! We're Number One! Keep in mind that America is the first choice of...
  • […] to flee their homes around the world.  But that’s only a fraction of the whole challenge. Gallup estimates that there are 640 Million adults who want to emigrate. Adding their dependent elders and children, […]

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  • One of the more curious aspects of the coverage of "Europe's migrant crisis" is the apparent assumption that Europe couldn't possibly do anything to keep Asians and Africans from crossing the Mediterranean because that would require naval forces, and whoever heard of Europe having boats in the water? But European navies not only exist, they...
  • @Stan D Mute

    The obvious difference is that nobody cares if pirates are killed or imprisoned. Unarmed civilians are another matter.
     
    Who says they're unarmed? And if they are, at that moment, how do we know they'll remain so? An ordinary kitchen knife, piece of wood, lead pipe, etc, are all potentially deadly weapons. Is a Swedish prison worse than being poor in Somalia? Of course prison only comes if you're caught. And sometimes not even then.

    Everyone is big on "compassion" for these criminal invaders. Right up until your wife or daughter is gang-raped or your son brutally beaten to death. Then it's, "why didn't the government protect us?" If you aren't man enough to do what must be done to protect your family then just sit down and shut up - let the real men do the dirty work of stopping the invasion with minimal damage and cost to the citizens. It really is just that simple.

    Grab a weapon and go confront these invaders and see what happens when things turn violent. YOU will be the one arrested and punished. You won’t have public support behind you. This is the basic problem.

    Most people are driven by emotion not reason. You can lecture them all you like about history, demographics, crime stats, and the like – you may even get them to nod along in agreement for a while – but the moment they see a dead child bobbing in the water, it’ll all fly out of their heads and they’ll begin keening and wringing their hands and demanding to LET THEM ALL IN NOW.

    If you know a way of changing this I’d like to hear it.

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  • @Stan D Mute

    The obvious difference is that nobody cares if pirates are killed or imprisoned. Unarmed civilians are another matter.
     
    Who says they're unarmed? And if they are, at that moment, how do we know they'll remain so? An ordinary kitchen knife, piece of wood, lead pipe, etc, are all potentially deadly weapons. Is a Swedish prison worse than being poor in Somalia? Of course prison only comes if you're caught. And sometimes not even then.

    Everyone is big on "compassion" for these criminal invaders. Right up until your wife or daughter is gang-raped or your son brutally beaten to death. Then it's, "why didn't the government protect us?" If you aren't man enough to do what must be done to protect your family then just sit down and shut up - let the real men do the dirty work of stopping the invasion with minimal damage and cost to the citizens. It really is just that simple.

    And its up to us women to stop worrying about the safety and well being of stranger’s children when the unceasing arrival of all these undocumented Third Worlders puts our offspring at risk.
    Altruism and misguided media-manipulated compassion could cause us to lose what is most precious..
    Our children and their children.

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  • @DJF
    The results of the two missions are for the same reason

    The anti-pirate patrol is in support of globalism and the profits of the globalists. Can’t have pirates cutting into the profits of the globalist trading system. So they shoot up the small boats of the pirates

    The ships in the Mediterranean are there to assist the mass movement of people into Europe in support of the globalist goal of destroying national borders. So they pick up the “refugees” from small boats a few miles off the African coast and deliver them to Europe

    Of course they are picked up off the African coast. Has any bright spark of a journalist ever asked how these travel-weary migrants manage to stay dry and keep their designer shoes so immaculate..after an arduous sea and desert crossing? Then there is the matter of relieving themselves. Do they all pee in bottles?

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  • From the translation in Gates of Vienna of an interview with Thilo Sarrazin, German central banker and author of the 2011 mega-seller Germany Abolishes Itself. The translated interview from Die Zeit: Thilo Sarrazin: “You Are Welcome to Ask Me What I Would Do if I Were Head of Frontex”[1] Interview with Thilo Sarrazin by Tina...
  • @Whiskey
    Sarrazin is correct, but most Isteve Readers fail to grasp his point. Europe NEEDS a NAVY. Britain locked out the Germans during WWI, with a navy. It did not have a pretend military. And navies take a lot of time, money, and blood to create and maintain.

    Isteve readers have for the most part been overwhelmingly pacifist and isolationist, wanting a tiny military. When encountering seaborne invasion the technical term for that is DEAD MEAT.

    Germany tried to spin up its navy, twice, and could not do so. As did Napoleon, and Spain. It takes literally decades to train men, build and equip ships, etc.

    THERE IS NO NAVY capable of stopping the immavsion save the US Navy, and that would be on the side of the immavasion. Not just Obama, but all the White people who buy into the notion of original White sin and Black racial redemption. See Ben Carson, leading in the polls.

    Europe can and should build a navy, but be under no illusions that it will be ready for decades. They must prepare for brutal fighting as immavaders come not in the hundreds of thousands but hundreds of millions, dominate, and enslave the locals as they did the last time.

    Europeans must prepare to be enslaved, the fruits of PC/Diversity and anti-White beliefs that elected Obama; and fight for their freedom in the most ugly and desperate ways possible.

    They could have avoided that but preferred to act like ISteve readers and embraced pacifism and disarmament and isolation and got -- half of Africa and the ME living with them as their rulers/conquerors.

    If you want peace, prepare for war. And only the dead have seen the end of war. Pat Buchanon isolationism, pacifism, etc. is a guarantee of slavery. To someone.

    Whiskey,

    The US Military has been a major force for integration and social mobility/change in the country.Until such time as we have a Pinochet running things, it will remain so. In the US it is essentially a Center-Right institution which has been used to carry out Center-Left goals.

    Francis’ rule that the leaders of an institution will be more liberal than its rank and file applies here, or do you think Petraeus, Odierno and Colin Powell are a bunch of good ole boys.

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  • @The Undiscovered Jew
    Australia is in a delicate position because of its large volume of trade with Asian countries. Denmark could get away with banning Afro/Asian immigration after 9/11 because its foreign trade is overwhelmingly with neighboring European countries, so there was no danger of annoying important trade partners. But if Australia were to do the same there would be serious diplomatic and economic consequences.

    Asians will do nothing about it. They have, anyway, no standing to complain seeing how they all maintain extensive trade relations with themselves while maintaining strict immigration policies of their own against other Asians, to say nothing of non-Asian immigration.

    Where's the economic harm in limiting citizenship to white Australians while giving out, within reason, business visas to Chinese executives, Japanese tourists, and Taiwanese manufacturers. What I've described is effectively their own immigration policy; limit citizenship by ethnicity but keep commercial relations open.

    The only thing holding back White Australia (you were right the first time, Mates) is white Australia's willpower.

    Back when Mahathir Mohammed was running Malaysia, and serving as unoffical spokesman for the southeast Asian countries, he made the connection between trade and immigration explicit: if Australians wanted to join Asian regional trade organisations then Australia would have to have more Asian immigration.

    This is why the Australian political/business elite reacted with such fury to Pauline Hanson and her campaign against Asian immigration: she was jeopardising a lot of valuable trade deals.

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  • @Wilkey
    "Thilo Sarrazin: Turkey, Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan are the neighbor states. And there are the Gulf States or Saudi Arabia which are stinking rich and have taken not one foreign Arab and co-religionist. They have the primary responsibility to keep order in their region."

    Does anyone else read Sarrazin's interview, contemplate all the clowns running for president, both Democrat and Republican, and just cry at the thought that we will never elect a president as blunt and intelligent as him?

    When the open borders extremists yap about border security, all they ever talk about is fencing. "Securing your borders" can largely accomplished by bureaucratic means. Governments employ millions of bureaucrats whose only purpose is to decide who does and does not get government benefits. A bureaucrat decides if your child can attend the local public school. A bureaucrat decides if you get a driver's license. A bureaucrat decides if you can register your car. A bureaucrat decides if you get public housing or a housing subsidy. A bureaucrat decides if you qualify for a particular welfare benefit. A bureaucrat decides if you get admitted to a hospital. A bureaucrat decides if you're granted residence or citizenship. A bureaucrat decides if you can vote.

    It's not so much about guns or fencing. It's about all these bureaucrats saying "no." All they have to do is say "no" instead of "yes" and the invasion will stop.

    It’s not so much about guns or fencing. It’s about all these bureaucrats saying “no.” All they have to do is say “no” instead of “yes” and the invasion will stop.

    The bureaucracy requires clients. It is a symbiotic relationship between the parasites and the bureaucracy that feeds them. Without the parasite, the bureaucracy cannot grow. Without growth that low level bureaucrat cannot advance in rank and power. So the bureaucrat has every incentive to encourage growth in the parasitic client class. The only disincentive to the bureaucrat is the citizen with his guns demanding fencing. Today our system is wildly unbalanced with zero fear in the bureaucrat class of a citizen uprising. This is entirely due to debt financing of the bureaucratic growth. If taxes had risen commensurate to increase in bureaucratic growth, the citizenry would be in the streets with pitchforks and torches burning effigies of politicians.

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  • One of the more curious aspects of the coverage of "Europe's migrant crisis" is the apparent assumption that Europe couldn't possibly do anything to keep Asians and Africans from crossing the Mediterranean because that would require naval forces, and whoever heard of Europe having boats in the water? But European navies not only exist, they...
  • @Salty
    "There is no cohesive maritime law of the sort you suggest between Greece and Turkey..."

    According to who, you? They are both IMO and IAMSAR signatories and thus are bound in exactly the manner I previously described.

    Why did you not know that? Why are you so ignorant about even the most basic tenets of the topic you pretend to be an expert on?

    Why are you claiming anything when its clear you don't know the first word of maritime law? What is your experience in this field? You read a "No Running" sign by a pool once?

    You are entirely too ignorant, and too comfortable fabricating "facts" to support your twisted world view. Go back to your cave and stop inflicting your stupidity on others.

    Who the hell are you? Your hostility towards me is what is filled with stupidity, and I suggest you take own your advice.

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  • If nobody is going to stop this large scale illegal immigration, why even have all this Homeland Security? If we can’t stop illegal immigrants, how could we possible stop terrorists coming in the same way the illegal immigrants do? Meanwhile, security is shaking down granny. It’s a crazy world.

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  • From the translation in Gates of Vienna of an interview with Thilo Sarrazin, German central banker and author of the 2011 mega-seller Germany Abolishes Itself. The translated interview from Die Zeit: Thilo Sarrazin: “You Are Welcome to Ask Me What I Would Do if I Were Head of Frontex”[1] Interview with Thilo Sarrazin by Tina...
  • @FineSwine
    Australia is in a delicate position because of its large volume of trade with Asian countries. Denmark could get away with banning Afro/Asian immigration after 9/11 because its foreign trade is overwhelmingly with neighboring European countries, so there was no danger of annoying important trade partners. But if Australia were to do the same there would be serious diplomatic and economic consequences.

    Australia is in a delicate position because of its large volume of trade with Asian countries. Denmark could get away with banning Afro/Asian immigration after 9/11 because its foreign trade is overwhelmingly with neighboring European countries, so there was no danger of annoying important trade partners. But if Australia were to do the same there would be serious diplomatic and economic consequences.

    Asians will do nothing about it. They have, anyway, no standing to complain seeing how they all maintain extensive trade relations with themselves while maintaining strict immigration policies of their own against other Asians, to say nothing of non-Asian immigration.

    Where’s the economic harm in limiting citizenship to white Australians while giving out, within reason, business visas to Chinese executives, Japanese tourists, and Taiwanese manufacturers. What I’ve described is effectively their own immigration policy; limit citizenship by ethnicity but keep commercial relations open.

    The only thing holding back White Australia (you were right the first time, Mates) is white Australia’s willpower.

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    Back when Mahathir Mohammed was running Malaysia, and serving as unoffical spokesman for the southeast Asian countries, he made the connection between trade and immigration explicit: if Australians wanted to join Asian regional trade organisations then Australia would have to have more Asian immigration.

    This is why the Australian political/business elite reacted with such fury to Pauline Hanson and her campaign against Asian immigration: she was jeopardising a lot of valuable trade deals.
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  • One of the more curious aspects of the coverage of "Europe's migrant crisis" is the apparent assumption that Europe couldn't possibly do anything to keep Asians and Africans from crossing the Mediterranean because that would require naval forces, and whoever heard of Europe having boats in the water? But European navies not only exist, they...
  • @FineSwine
    The obvious difference is that nobody cares if pirates are killed or imprisoned. Unarmed civilians are another matter.

    The obvious difference is that nobody cares if pirates are killed or imprisoned. Unarmed civilians are another matter.

    Who says they’re unarmed? And if they are, at that moment, how do we know they’ll remain so? An ordinary kitchen knife, piece of wood, lead pipe, etc, are all potentially deadly weapons. Is a Swedish prison worse than being poor in Somalia? Of course prison only comes if you’re caught. And sometimes not even then.

    Everyone is big on “compassion” for these criminal invaders. Right up until your wife or daughter is gang-raped or your son brutally beaten to death. Then it’s, “why didn’t the government protect us?” If you aren’t man enough to do what must be done to protect your family then just sit down and shut up – let the real men do the dirty work of stopping the invasion with minimal damage and cost to the citizens. It really is just that simple.

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    And its up to us women to stop worrying about the safety and well being of stranger's children when the unceasing arrival of all these undocumented Third Worlders puts our offspring at risk.
    Altruism and misguided media-manipulated compassion could cause us to lose what is most precious..
    Our children and their children.
    , @FineSwine
    Grab a weapon and go confront these invaders and see what happens when things turn violent. YOU will be the one arrested and punished. You won't have public support behind you. This is the basic problem.

    Most people are driven by emotion not reason. You can lecture them all you like about history, demographics, crime stats, and the like - you may even get them to nod along in agreement for a while - but the moment they see a dead child bobbing in the water, it'll all fly out of their heads and they'll begin keening and wringing their hands and demanding to LET THEM ALL IN NOW.

    If you know a way of changing this I'd like to hear it.
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  • @NotThatSimple
    My point was that I fear police and military interventions at sea have the potential to descend into chaos and violence, and it could lead to even more death. As to the rest of your comment, you can be anti-immigration and still be devastated by the people drowning, now numbering in the thousands this year alone. You really don't have to be particularly sensitive, much less attuned to the abstract plight of billions, to despair over the migrant drownings and support reasonable preventative actions.

    You really don’t have to be particularly sensitive, much less attuned to the abstract plight of billions, to despair over the migrant drownings and support reasonable preventative actions.

    I lack compassion for the guy who sneaks into my house to eat my food, wear my clothing, have sex with my wife, and kick my dog. My goal is to protect my family and my property. If some invader gets hurt or killed during his effort to invade my home, my local police and state prosecutor will clap me on the back and say, “Well done!” (I live in a state with good self defense laws).

    There is no difference between somebody invading my home and somebody invading my nation. Both were purchased through the blood, sweat, and tears of myself and my forebears. My nation I share with my countrymen whose forebears, like mine, risked everything to secure it for their posterity. This is not a moral ambiguity – this is life and death. I have a moral right to defend myself, my family, and my property.

    The issue is that my government and the government’s of Europe no longer defend their citizens. They openly aid and assist invaders. They take my earnings at gunpoint and give them to invaders. They take my children and grandchildren’s earnings and give them to the invaders. They make me a slave to the invaders. I feel some compassion toward a third worlder who is too dumb or otherwise unable to build for himself a fulfilling life, but that ends the moment he decides he is entitled to invade my home and take what I have.

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  • @Anon
    Let's not build a roof to keep out the rain. It will never work.

    Let's not build a wear a coat to protect ourselves from the cold.
    It will never work.

    Let's not close and lock the door to keep out burglars. It will never work.

    Seriously, what is the point of having a nation if you can't protect it?

    Seriously, what is the point of having a nation if you can’t protect it?

    Because it’s 2015. It’s racist to prefer your little white children over brown children who want what you have. It’s racist for you to have a big house and cars when there are brown people who want those things. It’s racist to want to keep the money you were given by your employer when there are brown people who want money. Ergo it is immoral to stop brown people from entering your so-called nation. It is immoral to stop brown people from non-violently taking your cars or your home or your child’s meal. It is immoral to resist or even object to brown people taking what your ancestors built. Because it’s 2015, that’s why. You racist.

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  • @Hippopotamusdrome


    Regardless of where you stand on the rights of migrants in Europe, the thousands of capsized boats and drownings are a tear-your-hair-out tragedy.

     

    Agree 100%. That's why we need to patrol close to the embarkation points and board these overloaded leaky deathtraps and put the people safely on the shore before the boats sink and they drown. And if 100% are turned back, it will be a deterrent to others trying the voyage which will prevent more drownings.

    That’s why we need to patrol close to the embarkation points and board these overloaded leaky deathtraps and put the people safely on the shore before the boats sink and they drown. And if 100% are turned back, it will be a deterrent to others trying the voyage which will prevent more drownings.

    That’s very compassionate of you. How does that approach work with Mexicans? Once sent back, do they just shrug their shoulders and go back to tending their garden in the ejido?

    The only thing that stops this is a bit more forceful. And there will be loss of life. The key is filming it and then broadcasting that 24/7 in the countries from whence the invaders come. It is an invasion. The invaders come to take from the natives. It is an inherently violent act and can only be repelled by use of greater force. When everyone in Africa and Arabia sees that attempts to invade Europe are met with merciless final judgement, they will decide life at home is much better and stay put.

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  • Related somewhat, you may be interested in this: UN human rights review: Countries line up to criticise Australia for its treatment of asylum seekers

    Geneva: Australia has copped a barrage of criticism at a United Nations human rights forum over its treatment of asylum seekers on the high seas and in offshore detention centres.

    But Australia was defiant as dozens of countries called on it to wind back or end boat turn-backs and mandatory detention, and grant refugees their full rights.

    During the review, representatives from more than 100 countries gave recommendations on how Australia should improve its human rights record.

    Countries including Brazil, Turkey, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Bangladesh – even Rwanda, Iran and North Korea – expressed concern over Australia’s treatment of refugees.

    Many countries called for Australia to ratify ‘OPCAT’ – an international convention against torture, which would expose offshore asylum seeker detention centres to new international oversight and review.

    Countries taking part in the review also noted Australia’s inadequate treatment of Indigenous people, the high level of violence against women, and the spread of Islamophobia.

    France’s spokesman Thomas Wagner called for Australia to “develop alternatives to the mandatory detention of asylum seekers, especially when dealing with children”.

    Germany’s representative said Australia should “critically review” offshore processing on Nauru and Manus Island.

    He recommended Australia “remove children and their families, and other individuals at risk – in particular survivors of torture and trauma – from immigration detention centres”.

    Bangladesh’s representative said Australia’s response to migrant arrivals had “set a poor benchmark”, calling for the repeal of mandatory detention for asylum seekers – and she was also concerned by “firsthand reports of discrimination and racism, particularly associated with Islamophobia”.

    The United States encouraged Australia to “ensure humane treatment and respect for the human rights of asylum seekers, including those processed offshore”.

    The US said the processing of refugees and asylum seekers should be “closely monitored”, though it stopped short of calling for the offshore centres to be closed.

    Read the whole thing, it’s a classic.

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  • From the translation in Gates of Vienna of an interview with Thilo Sarrazin, German central banker and author of the 2011 mega-seller Germany Abolishes Itself. The translated interview from Die Zeit: Thilo Sarrazin: “You Are Welcome to Ask Me What I Would Do if I Were Head of Frontex”[1] Interview with Thilo Sarrazin by Tina...
  • @Bill B.
    The requirement is only to be firm, not ruthless. The Vietnamese boat people were in dire straits; the current mob of welfare invaders are voluntarily taking a modest gamble.

    The incredibly weak posture of Europe has sent out a massive signal to the third world. Suckers be here!

    Much of workable life in the world revolves around the idea that those who cross forbidden frontiers - virtual or otherwise - will be punished somehow. To wilfully allow or even encourage the collapsing of this fundamental understanding is to invite disaster.

    The world's most fecund civilisation must be put in jeopardy because press photographers might find another drowned child? If these people were taking joy trips around the Med in their overcrowded boats you would stop them; but when it comes to a cold, calculated and in many cases ill intentioned invasion your hands are tied?

    For this to work it would have to be done quietly – out of sight and hearing – of the general population. The media would have to be on board with the project. There must be no public scandal (e.g. hysterical women shrieking and tearing their clothes in full view of the world.) In other words, conspiratorial methods. Ideally this process should be completely invisible except to the people carrying it out.

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  • One of the more curious aspects of the coverage of "Europe's migrant crisis" is the apparent assumption that Europe couldn't possibly do anything to keep Asians and Africans from crossing the Mediterranean because that would require naval forces, and whoever heard of Europe having boats in the water? But European navies not only exist, they...
  • @Bill B.
    Slightly OT.

    A key problem in Europe is the veto power of the ghastly holier-than-thou politicians in continental parliaments (and I am not talking just about Merkel).

    Look in these videos (from Galliawatch) of the shock-horror to the suggestion that MENA immigrants will not in fact be a boon to Europe:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YTe5YNHBQA

    The second doesn't have subtitles but the faces tell the story. You just know they would have loved being in the Red Guard.(The only two guys clapping are NF.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WyrJQpG1yw

    “A key problem in Europe is the veto power of the ghastly holier-than-thou politicians in continental parliaments (and I am not talking just about Merkel). Look in these videos (from Galliawatch) of the shock-horror to the suggestion that MENA immigrants will not in fact be a boon to Europe:”

    Few things are worse than stuck-up, self-righteous female scolds. To be fair, though, the Right takes it too far and does our own side an enormous disservice when any of us refer to these immigrants as “human garbage” (assuming that was an accurate translation). They are people. They are people who will be of no benefit to our economies and will overwhelm us demographically and oppress us when they do. We need to say that clearly and forcefully, but never say things that allow our enemies to (legitimately) dismiss us as racists or inhumane.

    “Human garbage”? I cringe when those on our side use such language. It’s the language which keeps us marginalized and in the minority.

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  • @Anonymous
    Don't be ridiculous, naval power could never stop the, er, immigrants. By the way, if you don't stop with this complaining the authorities will surely punish you by sending even more immigrants. If you know what's good for you you'll keep quiet. Obediance will be rewarded. Obey.

    By the way, if you don’t stop with this complaining the authorities will surely punish you by sending even more immigrants.

    Yes, the Pegida marches at the beginning of the year are a case in point.

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  • As some commenter pointed out above, the problem is not lack of efficient ships and planning. The problem is the navies and coast guards of European countries are being used to ferry the so-called called refugees across the Mediterranean safely to shore. They’re part of the problem, so far not a solution. I’d rather have them do nothing at all. Fewer refugee boats would make it to Europe, and certainly a smaller number of refugees would land on Europe were it not for their help.

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  • @Reg Cæsar

    You really don’t have to be particularly sensitive, much less attuned to the abstract plight of billions, to despair over the migrant drownings and support reasonable preventative actions.
     
    The most reasonable, and effective, preventative action would be a firm "NO" in advance.

    Has anyone drowned on the way to Japan?

    “Has anyone drowned on the way to Japan?”

    Heh, yeah, actually. From what I gather, midget subs full of North Korean commandoes would occasionally wash up on Japanese shores. Not quite the context you’re referring to, but it made me think about it nonetheless.

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  • From the translation in Gates of Vienna of an interview with Thilo Sarrazin, German central banker and author of the 2011 mega-seller Germany Abolishes Itself. The translated interview from Die Zeit: Thilo Sarrazin: “You Are Welcome to Ask Me What I Would Do if I Were Head of Frontex”[1] Interview with Thilo Sarrazin by Tina...
  • @Hippopotamusdrome

    but what if there are 200?

     

    We scoop up 5 boatloads per trip.

    British navy brings 900 migrants ashore in Italy
    Some 900 migrants rescued from boats in the Mediterranean are brought to southern Italy's Taranto by the British Navy ship HMS Bulwark

     

    And the citizens of this fine old maritime city are suitably grateful to the British Navy for this munificent gift of 900 Africans many of whom are lounging outside the Jonica Hotel as I write this whilst others are wandering the city streets making it dangerous for women of all ages to go out after dark. The last time the Brits were this generous with Tarantinos was in 1940 at the Battle of Taranto.

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  • @anonymous
    And all the brown people want to come here to get away from all the scary brown people in their home countries.


    It's also worth pointing out that there are maybe about 6 times as many brown people as white. We are significantly outnumbered. Usually it's hard to defend when you are outnumbered over a factor of 3, so it is something we need to take into account.

    Those brown people are often coming from places that they have made scary and desperate indeed. What assurance do we have that our Magic Dirt will change their scary behaviour? Any evidence?

    None. They will have new targets in a European setting.

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  • One of the more curious aspects of the coverage of "Europe's migrant crisis" is the apparent assumption that Europe couldn't possibly do anything to keep Asians and Africans from crossing the Mediterranean because that would require naval forces, and whoever heard of Europe having boats in the water? But European navies not only exist, they...
  • Slightly OT.

    A key problem in Europe is the veto power of the ghastly holier-than-thou politicians in continental parliaments (and I am not talking just about Merkel).

    Look in these videos (from Galliawatch) of the shock-horror to the suggestion that MENA immigrants will not in fact be a boon to Europe:

    The second doesn’t have subtitles but the faces tell the story. You just know they would have loved being in the Red Guard.(The only two guys clapping are NF.)

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    "A key problem in Europe is the veto power of the ghastly holier-than-thou politicians in continental parliaments (and I am not talking just about Merkel). Look in these videos (from Galliawatch) of the shock-horror to the suggestion that MENA immigrants will not in fact be a boon to Europe:"

    Few things are worse than stuck-up, self-righteous female scolds. To be fair, though, the Right takes it too far and does our own side an enormous disservice when any of us refer to these immigrants as "human garbage" (assuming that was an accurate translation). They are people. They are people who will be of no benefit to our economies and will overwhelm us demographically and oppress us when they do. We need to say that clearly and forcefully, but never say things that allow our enemies to (legitimately) dismiss us as racists or inhumane.

    "Human garbage"? I cringe when those on our side use such language. It's the language which keeps us marginalized and in the minority.
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  • From the translation in Gates of Vienna of an interview with Thilo Sarrazin, German central banker and author of the 2011 mega-seller Germany Abolishes Itself. The translated interview from Die Zeit: Thilo Sarrazin: “You Are Welcome to Ask Me What I Would Do if I Were Head of Frontex”[1] Interview with Thilo Sarrazin by Tina...
  • @FineSwine
    East Asians aren't Europeans. They have a completely different attitude to these things. Scenes on TV of refugees (especially children) drowning or in chains will cause a storm of controversy in Europe.

    The requirement is only to be firm, not ruthless. The Vietnamese boat people were in dire straits; the current mob of welfare invaders are voluntarily taking a modest gamble.

    The incredibly weak posture of Europe has sent out a massive signal to the third world. Suckers be here!

    Much of workable life in the world revolves around the idea that those who cross forbidden frontiers – virtual or otherwise – will be punished somehow. To wilfully allow or even encourage the collapsing of this fundamental understanding is to invite disaster.

    The world’s most fecund civilisation must be put in jeopardy because press photographers might find another drowned child? If these people were taking joy trips around the Med in their overcrowded boats you would stop them; but when it comes to a cold, calculated and in many cases ill intentioned invasion your hands are tied?

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    For this to work it would have to be done quietly - out of sight and hearing - of the general population. The media would have to be on board with the project. There must be no public scandal (e.g. hysterical women shrieking and tearing their clothes in full view of the world.) In other words, conspiratorial methods. Ideally this process should be completely invisible except to the people carrying it out.
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  • One of the more curious aspects of the coverage of "Europe's migrant crisis" is the apparent assumption that Europe couldn't possibly do anything to keep Asians and Africans from crossing the Mediterranean because that would require naval forces, and whoever heard of Europe having boats in the water? But European navies not only exist, they...
  • @Anon
    Let's not build a roof to keep out the rain. It will never work.

    Let's not build a wear a coat to protect ourselves from the cold.
    It will never work.

    Let's not close and lock the door to keep out burglars. It will never work.

    Seriously, what is the point of having a nation if you can't protect it?

    That is the point. They want borders to disappear and as night follows the sinking of the sun, likewise European nations will vanish. And along with the defunct countries, the distinctive European people.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A few months ago, we heard van awful load of guff about the Rohingya of Burma, and their attempts to usurp other peoples’ countries by imposing themselves by boat.

    Now we hear very little.
    Rest assured that the hard headed and canny Thais etc didn’t let them in, and the whole thing just fizzled out.
    Like it should do.

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  • @Whiskey
    Steve, the ships "assigned" to the anti-Piracy measures off Somalia are mostly not on station and are window dressing. As others noted the rules of action are very restricted. The anti-Piracy effort in Somalia is mostly the US Navy with some Chinese assistance.

    Per Wikipedia:

    At any one time, the European force size fluctuates according to the monsoon seasons, which determine the level of piracy. It typically consists of 5 to 10 surface combatants (naval ships), 1 to 2 auxiliary ships and 2 to 4 maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft. Including land-based personnel, Operation Atalanta consists of a total of around 2,000 military personnel. EU NAVFOR operates in a zone comprising the south of the Red Sea, the Gulf of Aden and the western part of the Indian Ocean including the Seychelles, which represents an area of 2,000,000 square nautical miles.
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    This is not much. That level of effort in the Med would NOT be enough to significantly impact illegal immigration. Ships can't just stay on station forever, they need to refuel (only the US, Russian, and Chinese navies can refuel at sea with tankers) and resupply with food, etc. Crews get too tired when on station, even the US can only sustain operational tempos for so long.

    What would be the order of effort to stop illegals from using the Med (AND THE ATLANTIC) to get into Europe? You would need about 10 Aircraft carriers to provide, on station, about 4-5 carriers in each region of the Med (West, Central, East) and the Atlantic (say North Africa to France); backed up with a task force of supply ships, protective destroyers, cruisers, and submarines that is substantial again per wiki, about 7,500 people and about 70 total air craft, a cruiser, destroyers, etc.

    Thus we are talking about not 2,500 personnel in Operation Atlanta but 7,500 for each Carrier Strike Group, and remember because of limitations of men and machines you would need about TEN to have on station about FIVE constantly

    This would require about the level of funding as the US Navy. Europe is certainly capable of paying for that, but won't because it would entail massive welfare cuts and subsidies for industry which are politically non starters.

    No, you can't do it on the cheap, smugglers have GPS, they don't need to hug the shore line like in 1842, they can set out in any weather and operate from protected bases that Charles V found impossible to destroy.

    Yes, Europe CAN stop the flow. But it costs money, blood, and effort. It won't happen overnight and CANNOT BE DONE ON THE CHEAP.

    Europe is at this point doomed. They did not build a navy, and just as important, the WILL when they could. They'll be overwhelmed in a few years, even if they brought back the ships assigned to Operation Atlanta, they would not be enough to do more than move the tides of people around where they are stationed -- like the French tanks and aircraft in WWII, too few and too dispersed to make any difference.

    North African nations can colonize Europe faster than Europe can find the will, money, and expertise to build a navy capable of stopping them. A rusty old freighter can carry thousands while a task force capable of stopping it requires billions: radar systems, the men to operate them, helicopter ships, SEAL type assault teams, and so on are not cheap. Smugglers use disposable ships they pay little for; and European navies are too costly to build and maintain. Its a resource mismatch.

    Even during the depression, the U.S.Navy sailed their ships around, just cutting grooves in the water, because that’s just what they do. Naval ships are not simply parked someplace waiting for a war to start. The battleships were tied up at Pearl Harbor on Sunday morning because they were taken out every Monday through Friday so sail around and do gunnery drill and so forth. So all those European ships can just intercept smugglers while their getting their training in. It doesn’t cost any more than sailing in circles, which they do anyway.

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  • The obvious difference is that nobody cares if pirates are killed or imprisoned. Unarmed civilians are another matter.

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    The obvious difference is that nobody cares if pirates are killed or imprisoned. Unarmed civilians are another matter.
     
    Who says they're unarmed? And if they are, at that moment, how do we know they'll remain so? An ordinary kitchen knife, piece of wood, lead pipe, etc, are all potentially deadly weapons. Is a Swedish prison worse than being poor in Somalia? Of course prison only comes if you're caught. And sometimes not even then.

    Everyone is big on "compassion" for these criminal invaders. Right up until your wife or daughter is gang-raped or your son brutally beaten to death. Then it's, "why didn't the government protect us?" If you aren't man enough to do what must be done to protect your family then just sit down and shut up - let the real men do the dirty work of stopping the invasion with minimal damage and cost to the citizens. It really is just that simple.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    The supposed legal difficulties are an absurd excuse for lack of will and maybe ingenuity when the ingenuity of lawyers can ensure major corporations like Apple and Google pay practically no tax where profits are really made and others can be found to justify torture and, no doubt and more closely relevant, extraordinary rendition.

    What’s more important, the touchy feelings of Turkey and Libya and whoever, or the continued existence of Europe? Put the rescued people on the beach with a week’s supply of MREs, and if the Turks or Libyans object, let them send their own navies out to contest the matter. Why else are there guns, torpedoes, and missiles on warships?

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  • @NotThatSimple
    There is no cohesive maritime law of the sort you suggest between Greece and Turkey, either side could get into major trouble for doing what you described, to the extent that there are even territorial disputes over whom the nearest safe beach actually belongs to. There are similar issues with other countries involved, though perhaps not as extreme. We're dealing with some of the most volatile "real estate" in the entire world here, yet you make turning migrants back to the Middle East sound so straightforward. There is conflicting protocol and antagonistic communications, not least during emergencies, and I know for a fact that the professionals involved are undertrained, despite the strong maritime traditions of these countries. Look at the disgrace of an international rescue mission of the ferry that caught fire last winter, that included countries arguing over who-does-what and your-port-not-ours, while the passengers were still stuck on the burning ship.

    There is enough naval power to physically stop migrants from ever reaching our shores, we all get that. Most commenters here seem to believe that ongoing, hardline military intervention against migrants (and their countries of departure?) is the only viable solution. There have got to be alternatives.

    “There is no cohesive maritime law of the sort you suggest between Greece and Turkey…”

    According to who, you? They are both IMO and IAMSAR signatories and thus are bound in exactly the manner I previously described.

    Why did you not know that? Why are you so ignorant about even the most basic tenets of the topic you pretend to be an expert on?

    Why are you claiming anything when its clear you don’t know the first word of maritime law? What is your experience in this field? You read a “No Running” sign by a pool once?

    You are entirely too ignorant, and too comfortable fabricating “facts” to support your twisted world view. Go back to your cave and stop inflicting your stupidity on others.

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    Who the hell are you? Your hostility towards me is what is filled with stupidity, and I suggest you take own your advice.
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  • @The Undiscovered Jew
    That’s silly stuff or are you some kind of troll. Obviously the White Australia policy (attenuated after WW2 and abandoned about 1966) is not going to be restored. More, all but deadbeat underclass and a few elderly people who carry on about Chinese purchases of real estate (actually restricted largely to new buildings) understand that Australia is doing very well out of the high quality immigration it has been and is getting from Asia.

    I'm quite serious. Asians are not culturally interchangeable with whites because culture is inseparable from and based upon the inherent, varying, racial characteristics and abilities of each race: An Australian city of 90% Australian born Asians and 10% white Australians would never be culturally Australian; a city of 90% Australian born Poles and 10% Anglo Australians would be. If you had to choose between residing in one of those cities you would surely choose the city that's 90% ethnic Polish, no?

    As for political feasibility, the West's diversity regime is flying to pieces, everywhere. When it eventually collapses I see no reason why White Australia couldn't be revived.

    And why so sure only the underclass and elderly oppose Asian immigration? Polls show white Australians are still dissatisfied with legal immigration and want reductions to it. If Australia were importing whites there certainly would not be as much opposition to legal immigration.

    Australia is in a delicate position because of its large volume of trade with Asian countries. Denmark could get away with banning Afro/Asian immigration after 9/11 because its foreign trade is overwhelmingly with neighboring European countries, so there was no danger of annoying important trade partners. But if Australia were to do the same there would be serious diplomatic and economic consequences.

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    Australia is in a delicate position because of its large volume of trade with Asian countries. Denmark could get away with banning Afro/Asian immigration after 9/11 because its foreign trade is overwhelmingly with neighboring European countries, so there was no danger of annoying important trade partners. But if Australia were to do the same there would be serious diplomatic and economic consequences.

    Asians will do nothing about it. They have, anyway, no standing to complain seeing how they all maintain extensive trade relations with themselves while maintaining strict immigration policies of their own against other Asians, to say nothing of non-Asian immigration.

    Where's the economic harm in limiting citizenship to white Australians while giving out, within reason, business visas to Chinese executives, Japanese tourists, and Taiwanese manufacturers. What I've described is effectively their own immigration policy; limit citizenship by ethnicity but keep commercial relations open.

    The only thing holding back White Australia (you were right the first time, Mates) is white Australia's willpower.
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  • @anonymous
    "...hardline military intervention against migrants (and their countries of departure? ... There have got to be alternatives."

    There might not be.

    But let's pursue that. You have a rapidly rising world population with a surplus of young men (and others) who want to go to where they perceive things to be best.

    If they all come, you have a tragedy of the commons in the extreme.

    What options exist other than direct military action against the illegals or their country of departure? Ignoring practicality, what can we think of?

    1) No action, surrender. Invite the world. Place all these people under your legal jurisdiction. Make it work after the fact. No matter what you do, you can probably say that it worked. Who's going to argue with the King of the World?

    2) Pay them not to come. Not likely to work. Probably backfire. They will just have more to pay smugglers.

    3) Make illegals illegal and make employing illegals illegal. Throw those who hire them in jail. Based on US experience, this is a non-starter. But it probably could be made to work, if really needed.

    4) Police the borders. Not military mind you, and not at sea. Use coastal radars, essentially along the entire coasts of Europe. Whenever a boat lands that hasn't been tracked by the radars as something that left a local port, have the police or coast guard show up for a security inspection. They did it in Beowulf, surely we can do it today. This would not be cheap. But it might be cheaper than using a Navy, if you mass-produced the radars. You probably have to put airport-type security around ports to make this work, which will be expensive also.

    5) Have drones that fly off some platform close to the problem areas. Whenever radar spots a boat that has the profiler of a smuggler, drop down to about 100 feet and stay there. If the boat lets off illegals, make sure you get a count. Have the police respond as if to a crime scene or a prisoner escape. Have the drone(s) (you probably have to change them on account of fuel/range) stay with the boat. Keep a database of boats, like one of criminal faces. Let the boat owners know. File a formal complaint with wherever the boat comes from. Work out treaties with countries of origin, so the drones can stick with the boats all the way back. Then stick with at least one of the crew. Terminator spooky. Make it cost them. Each recorded boat corresponds to a fine of some amount. You can probably automate much of this, but it is also likely hilariously expensive, compared to just having a gunboat stop the boat.

    6) Fingerprint verify everybody, everywhere, all the time. For instance, every visit the a motor vehicle department or other government agency, every visit to a medical clinic or doctor's office... When you find someone someplace they don't belong send them back to where they belong. (Given computers these days, "fingerprints" can also be faceprints or any other biometrics...) Yech! Talk about giving up freedom! Why should these people force us to do this?

    7) Pay unemployed people to act as bounty hunters and call in people who can't seem to converse in the local language.

    8) Treat human smugglers as terrorists. Track them down and kill them. Seems stopping and turning around or towing back boats would be more humane.

    9) Pay local militaries of the countries that are ports of embarcation to police their own ports. This is probably what was sort of happening with Libya's Col. Gadawfy.

    10) Re-colonize much of the world. Would this even take military action? Obviously if it's morally unacceptable to deny these people the right to live in the West, under Western law, it's equally morally unacceptable to deny their countrymen who remained behind that right. So clearly it's out moral duty to run their home countries. But why go to all this trouble? And what if they are still unhappy?

    11) Reinstate the draft, but only for people found to be illegal immigrants. Draft them for a significant period, say 5 years. Do not grant them citizenship or let them stay. Deploy them to their country of origin (we seem to be able to work out treaties to deploy troops all over the world). Have a US military 'Development Command' that is in charge of all these 'Foreign Legions'. Make them do things like build roads, hospitals, waterworks, and infrastructure in their own country, working with the government of that country. Pay them very little (the same as any draftees). When their tour is up, discharge them in their country of origin.

    12) What was that technology that Boeing was going to develop to guard the southern US border so that a fence would not have to be built? Ah, yes, the "Virtual Fence", aka Project 28. A good example of the high-tech approach being expensive and a flop:


    "...Homeland Security Department conditionally accepted the delivery of the first phase of Project 28 and awarded Boeing a $64 million contract for the next phase...

    ...the system "works about 30 percent of the time". During a visit in early January 2008 to El Paso, Carney said that he saw an incident where two illegal immigrants crossed in front of a project camera. Carney said that a technician tried to electronically reposition the camera to track them, but the picture was out of focus, the camera moved too slowly, and the illegal immigrants got away."

     

    Of course, these things don't work, right up until they do.

    I suppose you could try a grid or line of buoys that did this. But working right on the water is likely very challenging. Although... there are a lot of smart buoys out there, a lot of the world's met/climate data comes from automated buoys... You still have the problem of doing something about what you detect.


    13) I guess I don't see it as being too militaristic if a Coast Guard just does Coast Guard stuff. If the Coast Guard came across a group of frat buddies packed in like sardines on a boat like that, they'd probably tow them to shore and give them a fine for not having sufficient life-jackets on board. I just don't see this as an evil-meany militaristic response. I kind of like it. Issue a fine to the boat owner for unsafe opeation, fine the passengers for lack of required gear, unload the passengers onto a nice safe deck, sail back to wherever they came from, towing their boat. Land them at the public pier in the main port of wherever they came from. Don't bother to enforce the fine, but make them accumulate, so if you have to you can.


    Oh, well. What are your alternatives?

    The best strategy would be a combination of these options, or of some of them, but without making a totalitarian police state out of your country. It’s best to put as many obstacles as possible in the way of the prospective immigrant. If he takes to the sea, he may be stopped and towed back. If he makes it to the coast of the country he wants to enter, his attempt to embark may be detected and foiled. If he makes it inland, he’ll still need to prove he’s living legally in the country to find work or claim welfare benefits. In this way, the immigrant has to be lucky over and over again, while those trying to stop him need only be lucky once.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “…hardline military intervention against migrants (and their countries of departure? … There have got to be alternatives.”

    There might not be.

    But let’s pursue that. You have a rapidly rising world population with a surplus of young men (and others) who want to go to where they perceive things to be best.

    If they all come, you have a tragedy of the commons in the extreme.

    What options exist other than direct military action against the illegals or their country of departure? Ignoring practicality, what can we think of?

    1) No action, surrender. Invite the world. Place all these people under your legal jurisdiction. Make it work after the fact. No matter what you do, you can probably say that it worked. Who’s going to argue with the King of the World?

    2) Pay them not to come. Not likely to work. Probably backfire. They will just have more to pay smugglers.

    3) Make illegals illegal and make employing illegals illegal. Throw those who hire them in jail. Based on US experience, this is a non-starter. But it probably could be made to work, if really needed.

    4) Police the borders. Not military mind you, and not at sea. Use coastal radars, essentially along the entire coasts of Europe. Whenever a boat lands that hasn’t been tracked by the radars as something that left a local port, have the police or coast guard show up for a security inspection. They did it in Beowulf, surely we can do it today. This would not be cheap. But it might be cheaper than using a Navy, if you mass-produced the radars. You probably have to put airport-type security around ports to make this work, which will be expensive also.

    5) Have drones that fly off some platform close to the problem areas. Whenever radar spots a boat that has the profiler of a smuggler, drop down to about 100 feet and stay there. If the boat lets off illegals, make sure you get a count. Have the police respond as if to a crime scene or a prisoner escape. Have the drone(s) (you probably have to change them on account of fuel/range) stay with the boat. Keep a database of boats, like one of criminal faces. Let the boat owners know. File a formal complaint with wherever the boat comes from. Work out treaties with countries of origin, so the drones can stick with the boats all the way back. Then stick with at least one of the crew. Terminator spooky. Make it cost them. Each recorded boat corresponds to a fine of some amount. You can probably automate much of this, but it is also likely hilariously expensive, compared to just having a gunboat stop the boat.

    6) Fingerprint verify everybody, everywhere, all the time. For instance, every visit the a motor vehicle department or other government agency, every visit to a medical clinic or doctor’s office… When you find someone someplace they don’t belong send them back to where they belong. (Given computers these days, “fingerprints” can also be faceprints or any other biometrics…) Yech! Talk about giving up freedom! Why should these people force us to do this?

    7) Pay unemployed people to act as bounty hunters and call in people who can’t seem to converse in the local language.

    8) Treat human smugglers as terrorists. Track them down and kill them. Seems stopping and turning around or towing back boats would be more humane.

    9) Pay local militaries of the countries that are ports of embarcation to police their own ports. This is probably what was sort of happening with Libya’s Col. Gadawfy.

    10) Re-colonize much of the world. Would this even take military action? Obviously if it’s morally unacceptable to deny these people the right to live in the West, under Western law, it’s equally morally unacceptable to deny their countrymen who remained behind that right. So clearly it’s out moral duty to run their home countries. But why go to all this trouble? And what if they are still unhappy?

    11) Reinstate the draft, but only for people found to be illegal immigrants. Draft them for a significant period, say 5 years. Do not grant them citizenship or let them stay. Deploy them to their country of origin (we seem to be able to work out treaties to deploy troops all over the world). Have a US military ‘Development Command’ that is in charge of all these ‘Foreign Legions’. Make them do things like build roads, hospitals, waterworks, and infrastructure in their own country, working with the government of that country. Pay them very little (the same as any draftees). When their tour is up, discharge them in their country of origin.

    12) What was that technology that Boeing was going to develop to guard the southern US border so that a fence would not have to be built? Ah, yes, the “Virtual Fence”, aka Project 28. A good example of the high-tech approach being expensive and a flop:

    “…Homeland Security Department conditionally accepted the delivery of the first phase of Project 28 and awarded Boeing a $64 million contract for the next phase…

    …the system “works about 30 percent of the time”. During a visit in early January 2008 to El Paso, Carney said that he saw an incident where two illegal immigrants crossed in front of a project camera. Carney said that a technician tried to electronically reposition the camera to track them, but the picture was out of focus, the camera moved too slowly, and the illegal immigrants got away.”

    Of course, these things don’t work, right up until they do.

    I suppose you could try a grid or line of buoys that did this. But working right on the water is likely very challenging. Although… there are a lot of smart buoys out there, a lot of the world’s met/climate data comes from automated buoys… You still have the problem of doing something about what you detect.

    13) I guess I don’t see it as being too militaristic if a Coast Guard just does Coast Guard stuff. If the Coast Guard came across a group of frat buddies packed in like sardines on a boat like that, they’d probably tow them to shore and give them a fine for not having sufficient life-jackets on board. I just don’t see this as an evil-meany militaristic response. I kind of like it. Issue a fine to the boat owner for unsafe opeation, fine the passengers for lack of required gear, unload the passengers onto a nice safe deck, sail back to wherever they came from, towing their boat. Land them at the public pier in the main port of wherever they came from. Don’t bother to enforce the fine, but make them accumulate, so if you have to you can.

    Oh, well. What are your alternatives?

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    The best strategy would be a combination of these options, or of some of them, but without making a totalitarian police state out of your country. It's best to put as many obstacles as possible in the way of the prospective immigrant. If he takes to the sea, he may be stopped and towed back. If he makes it to the coast of the country he wants to enter, his attempt to embark may be detected and foiled. If he makes it inland, he'll still need to prove he's living legally in the country to find work or claim welfare benefits. In this way, the immigrant has to be lucky over and over again, while those trying to stop him need only be lucky once.
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  • @NotThatSimple
    There is no cohesive maritime law of the sort you suggest between Greece and Turkey, either side could get into major trouble for doing what you described, to the extent that there are even territorial disputes over whom the nearest safe beach actually belongs to. There are similar issues with other countries involved, though perhaps not as extreme. We're dealing with some of the most volatile "real estate" in the entire world here, yet you make turning migrants back to the Middle East sound so straightforward. There is conflicting protocol and antagonistic communications, not least during emergencies, and I know for a fact that the professionals involved are undertrained, despite the strong maritime traditions of these countries. Look at the disgrace of an international rescue mission of the ferry that caught fire last winter, that included countries arguing over who-does-what and your-port-not-ours, while the passengers were still stuck on the burning ship.

    There is enough naval power to physically stop migrants from ever reaching our shores, we all get that. Most commenters here seem to believe that ongoing, hardline military intervention against migrants (and their countries of departure?) is the only viable solution. There have got to be alternatives.

    “We’re dealing with some of the most volatile “real estate” in the entire world here, yet you make turning migrants back to the Middle East sound so straightforward.”

    Who says they have to send them back to the Middle East?

    Here’s the first sentence of the Wikipedia article titled “List of islands of Greece”: “Greece has an extremely large number of islands, with estimates ranging from somewhere around 1,200 to 6,000, depending on the minimum size to take into account. The number of inhabited islands is variously cited as between 166 and 227.”

    Most of those islands, of course, are in the Aegean Sea between Greece and Turkey. The Greek government almost certainly owns many of them, particularly the uninhabited ones. Tow the refugees there, leave them there, tell them they will never be allowed on the mainland, and that they can choose to stay there as the island rapidly becomes overpopulated and runs out of food, or they can go back home. They’ll leave. New refugees will stop coming. The end.

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