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    Few people have ever heard of Myanmar’s Rohingya people. Not many more could find Myanmar on a map – particularly after its name was changed some years ago from Burma to Myanmar. The exception is Burma’s sainted lady leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, who became a worldwide celebrity and Nobel Prize winner. The media loved...
  • @KA
    From 15 th century Bengalese used to live in Arkan area . It was part of Chittagong ( Bangladesh ) in 1666.
    In 1785, Burmese attacked and occupied Arkan ( where Rohingya has been living ) .
    British occupied it back for Raj in 1826 . This logically and naturally brought more people from the Raj .

    Finally someone got it right.

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  • @Calcutta kid
    It may not be entirely true that the Rohingya are entirely blameless for their situation.

    They do seem to have zillions of children. Perhaps as many as Filipinos, who have the highest birth rate in Asia and who are locked into the large family - little education - joblessness cycle of poverty.

    This is probably because of religious figures using their influence on Filipino presidents, senators and supreme court judges to limit or deny contraception. Filipinos may also have a ''baby'' culture.
    President Duterte has said, I think, he will change this and has no love for the Roman Church.

    I believe Myanmar officials have unsuccessfully attempted to have Rohingya slow down their reproductive rate. To all peoples with this problem I advise them to emulate the highly successful Singaporeans with a low reproductive rate and to invest their wealth into education.

    Of course this is no justification for persecution.

    The justification for persecution is that the Rohinga have been raping, killing, and stealing from the native people of Myanmar.

    These people always get kicked out of everywhere they go and they are Bangladeshi anyway.

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  • The mainstream media is beyond full of this pearl-clutching against Myanmar kicking out the parasitic Muslim Bengalis. Not sure what the point of allowing this on Unz.com is.

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  • More than anything other i am focusing the real reason why Myanmar is now demonized in Western media. The main reason of course is that Myanmar government and leaders are co-operating with China and Russia. Never forget that big picture. When you don’t forget it you can much easily understand this whole cavalcade of hypocrisy in west. Myanmar is actually not much different piece of western jigsaw as was Syria or Ukraine. Of course CIA, Pentagon, Soros & Co want “color revolution”. You got it?

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  • @Grandpa Charlie
    Mr. Margolis,

    You say that you once risked prison to visit Aung San Suu Kyi in Rangoon. About "risking prison," all I can think is: "MANY ARE CALLED, FEW ARE CHOSEN."

    From the Wikipedia article, 'Aung san' (Suu Kyi's father)

    [He was] the 5th Premier of the British Crown Colony of Burma from 1946 to 1947. Initially he was a communist and later a social democratic politician. He was known as a revolutionary, nationalist, and as the founder of the Tatmadaw, and is considered the Father of the Nation of modern-day Myanmar. He was the founder of the Communist Party of Burma.

    He was responsible for bringing about Burma's independence from British rule, but was assassinated six months before independence. During World War Two, he initially collaborated with Japan following their invasion of Burma before swapping sides to the British. He is recognized as the leading architect of independence, and founder of the Union of Burma. Affectionately known as "Bogyoke" (Major General), Aung San is still widely admired by the Burmese people, and his name is still invoked in Burmese politics to this day.
     
    So Suu Kyi was born into a political family, and her father was a prominent political opportunist, whose "loyalty" sometimes went to the Japanese Empire and sometimes to the Communists but other times (as when the Japanese Empire was in decline or had been vanquished) went to the British Empire, especially when the British wanted to set up a postcolonial regime. So what did you expect of her, really? Anything other than political opportunism?

    Anyway, as for the Nobel, just think about this: Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973.

    It may not be entirely true that the Rohingya are entirely blameless for their situation.

    They do seem to have zillions of children. Perhaps as many as Filipinos, who have the highest birth rate in Asia and who are locked into the large family – little education – joblessness cycle of poverty.

    This is probably because of religious figures using their influence on Filipino presidents, senators and supreme court judges to limit or deny contraception. Filipinos may also have a ”baby” culture.
    President Duterte has said, I think, he will change this and has no love for the Roman Church.

    I believe Myanmar officials have unsuccessfully attempted to have Rohingya slow down their reproductive rate. To all peoples with this problem I advise them to emulate the highly successful Singaporeans with a low reproductive rate and to invest their wealth into education.

    Of course this is no justification for persecution.

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    The justification for persecution is that the Rohinga have been raping, killing, and stealing from the native people of Myanmar.

    These people always get kicked out of everywhere they go and they are Bangladeshi anyway.
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  • anon • Disclaimer says:

    Rohingya have lived for centuries in Burma/Myanmar.

    False.

    A small minority have been in the area for a long time.

    However, most of them are economic migrants who have failed to assimilate and are being groomed as a persecuted ethnic group threatened with genocide. There is an entire industry of NGOs and moralists that need to be fed.

    It is a poor area. The Rohingya failed to get anywhere peacefully and then decided to try violence. Myanmar has 50 million people. 1 million of them adjacent to an uncontrolled border are a problem. Myanmar is the closest to a success that our pro democracy interventions have achieved. Not all that successful, but there was movement towards transitioning from military rule.

    It is a bad situation. Myanmar has made a mistake by taking the bait and allowing the genocide narrative to get traction. Bangladesh needs to take these people back.

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  • > In recent weeks, over 270,000 Rakhines have been driven from their homes in Rakhine State in western Myanmar and now cower in makeshift refugee camps just across the border in Bangladesh

    oh, really? Is this the copy-editing that Ron Unz accomplishes?

    The Rakhines are indigenous to Rakhine State, and formerly were completely independent. They are NOT Bamar (try looking at http://www.aaausa.org) , nor any other flavor of “Myanmarese” ethnicity. They have their own language and their own alphabet and their own culture. They have a human right to self -determination, and Margolis’ attempted colonialism will not convince them to submit to Islam nor to British desires.

    The Rohingya are Bengali-speaking, Bengali-phenotyped, and Bengali-religion’ed. And they have never attempted to assimilate into the indigenous Buddhist culture and society of Rakhine.

    Margolis is carrying water for jihadis.

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  • Nothing whatever actually needs to be said about the content of this absurd article – except that its entire main premise is completely false, and ridiculous. All that is built on that premise is therefore invalid, meaningless and redundant. It exposes a woeful, disturbing ignorance of the most basic historical – and current – political facts. As following:

    Aung San Suu Kyi, for all her impressive family background, her high-achieving, western-looking, democratic Oxford education, her determined return to her homeland in the face of threats to her life by the outraged Moslem clans, her unfaltering support and laudable aspirations for the betterment of Myanmar, and her determined facing-down of Burmese military oppression and tyranny which lead to many years of imprisonment and house-arrest, now has NO more power or influence in Myanmar than a dead dog in a Rangoon gutter. The ruling – and ruthless – military generals who have no intention whatever of giving up their power have thoroughly and successfully out-flanked her, by the simple strategy of giving her TOKEN share only in government, and rightly or wrongly, she accepted this.

    This has had precisely the effect in Myanmar that the generals gambled that it would – it has staved off the determination of her peaceable, trusting, overwhelmingly Buddhist followers, to foment a full-throttle revolution which, however bloody, would certainly bring an end to their long and illegitimate rule. Instead, with Aung San Suu Kyi apparently “in power” – if only joint power – and therefore doing all that she can from that position to “influence” the generals, the possible uprising has been averted. Now she continues to “negotiate” on the inside – but in fact, distrusted, despised and worst of all, Female, she is now nothing more than a completely neutralised, powerless, ignored, populist figurehead. In the meantime the generals – and Myanmar – remain as before. For them – Mission accomplished.

    I have no doubt whatever that Ms. Kyi is only too well aware of the shocking, disgraceful atrocities which take place across Myanmar every day of the week – including those perpetrated BY as well as against the anti-social, intolerant, clannish, racist Rohingya. But she has, now, on the inside of a brutal and ruthless Moslem-based military regime, NO power whatever to influence, much less change, anything at all.

    A cynic might believe she never again will.

    Note to Mr. Margolis: Please address future sputtering to the Generals who actually rule Myanmar with an iron fist. Regrettably, the lady of the house is (permanently) indisposed.

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  • @masmanz
    If your values do not tell you to side with those who are being raped and murdered then does the word 'value' mean anything to you? Eric is siding with the persecuted minority and I salute him for that.

    You are being painfully naive.

    He is “siding with the persecuted minority” ENTIRELY for self-interested, self-promoting, ethnic JEWISH reasons (the Rohingya are historically part-Jewish) and NOT because he cares a single hypocritical shred about the plight of the suffering people – they do, after all, self-identify as Moslems.

    The Rohingya are a nomadic, arrogant, anti-social, criminally-minded and completely self-centred ethnic grouping, who have worn out their welcome in one nation after another, and eventually received the same natural and inevitable reward from the host peoples as corrupt, thieving, rapine Jews have always done – and for very much the same reasons.

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  • @Lemurmaniac
    Another point that should be made here is the white liberal imposition of the victim-master narrative. If the power dynamics were reversed, these Muslims would be prone to the same behavour.

    Greg Johnson made the point about this after the Kony film:

    As for taking sides in African civil wars: Africa is filled with savage warlords who commit horrifying atrocities. It is only natural to feel sympathy for the victims of such atrocities. But is it really logical to conclude that the victims are fundamentally morally different from their persecutors? If they were stronger, would the victims treat their persecutors with any more humanity? Would they not also rape, torture, mutilate, slaughter, and cannibalize their enemies in the grand African fashion? If this is the case, then why take sides in their conflicts? And why, of all things, bring them here and resettle them as refugees? That’s just asking for trouble.
     
    In short, Eric, the stupid white liberal, has encountered a glitch in his ideological system. He's fascinated with, and promotes the interests of, the non-white other, but this non-white other will mutually engage in illiberal behavivour the minute the white liberal power retreats. What a lulzy ways reality has of reminding the last men it cares not one whit for their pretensions. As Spengler said, war and conflict are a human constant. Determine your values accordingly.

    Of course Moslems would not do any of those appallingly evil things to other people, as I have been advised that Islam is the religion of Peace.

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  • @Bayan
    Bring Aung San Suu Kyi to the ICC.

    Of course.

    And also the military generals / controllers / butchers / old-world commuinist MALE tyrants of Myanmar who hold the only REAL power too – if necessary, by western military invasion, assault and kidnap, to put them on trial in the Hague before the western media, no matter WHAT any one else thinks..?

    Thought not.

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  • Love how Margolis likes to put this on the British. He is dead wrong. His hatred and prejudice against Britain has never been laid more bare.

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  • @Malla
    Unfortunately for the Rohingyas, there is no Mama Merkel like traitorous figure awaiting them in Malaysia or Thailand.

    Unfortunately for the Rohingyas, there is no Mama Merkel like traitorous figure awaiting them in Malaysia or Thailand.

    Ha ha, quite true. Also, the West is now suffering considerable compassion fatigue, particularly about aggressive groups whose main claim to victimhood status is their dark skin color.

    In the U.S., the Cult-Marxists are fighting desperately to keep up the black victimhood narrative precisely because they sense that post-Obama, the age of unquestioned black victimhood (ca. 1954 – 1/20/2009) is slowly but steadily drawing to a close.

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  • about the time, they were about to make India a pure Hindu state, the Muslims 把你

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  • “THE ROHINGYA GENOCIDE IS A LIE: MYANMAR IS THE REAL VICTIM”

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/6K4kMIMMXxWM/

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  • @Anonymous
    Those were Indian Buddhists though.

    I'm sure the tribal nature of Indian people overrode the more harmonious goal of the Bhuddist religion.

    Buddists aren't immune to violence I'm sure, but compare it to the track record of Islam and mix in the tribal nature of Indian type people and you can see why Myanmar is fighting back.

    Glad to see they at least will not allow themselves to be cucked.

    Upper caste Brahmins and their allies destroyed Buddhism in India. Destroyed Buddhist stupas and monastries and were responsible for the burning of Buddhist monks by trickery and deceit. But just about the time, they were about to make India a pure Hindu state, the Muslims barge in, put them in their place and finish of the job of destroying the Buddhists.

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  • @Eagle Eye
    Just recently, the Rohyngias (no doubt "advised" by Western "activists"), rather than walking or driving a few miles from North-West Burma to their native Bangladesh, tried to stage a boat people drama for maximum media attention by having their ships towed past the entire coast of Burma and of Thailand to get to Muslim Malaysia.

    The Malays weren't having any invasion by Bangladeshis:

    “What do you expect us to do?” Malaysian deputy home minister Wan Junaidi Jafaar said. “We have been very nice to the people who broke into our border. We have treated them humanely but they cannot be flooding our shores like this.”

    “We have to send the right message that they are not welcome here,” he said, just days after about 1,000 refugees landed on the shores of Langkawi, a popular resort island in northern Malaysia near Thailand. Another 600 have arrived surreptitiously in Indonesia.
     
    Thailand was equally weary of adding to the country's burden with raping, terrorizing Muslims in its Southern provinces.

    The Thai prime minister, Prayuth Chan-ocha, said his government did not have resources to host refugees.

    “If we take them all in, then anyone who wants to come will come freely. I am asking if Thailand will be able to take care of them all. Where will the budget come from?” Prayuth said. “No one wants them. Everyone wants a transit country like us to take responsibility. Is it fair?”
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/14/malaysia-turns-back-migrant-boat-with-more-than-500-aboard

    Unfortunately for the Rohingyas, there is no Mama Merkel like traitorous figure awaiting them in Malaysia or Thailand.

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    Unfortunately for the Rohingyas, there is no Mama Merkel like traitorous figure awaiting them in Malaysia or Thailand.
     
    Ha ha, quite true. Also, the West is now suffering considerable compassion fatigue, particularly about aggressive groups whose main claim to victimhood status is their dark skin color.

    In the U.S., the Cult-Marxists are fighting desperately to keep up the black victimhood narrative precisely because they sense that post-Obama, the age of unquestioned black victimhood (ca. 1954 - 1/20/2009) is slowly but steadily drawing to a close.
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  • I guess Aung etc. saw what’s happening in Europe and decided to head that disaster off at the pass in her own country. Good on her!

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  • @Eagle Eye

    Burma is a hodgepodge of peoples and ethnicities. The largest, about 60%, are Buddhist Burmans, but there are many other important groups like Karen, Kachin, Chin, Mon and Shan. About two million Burmese are Muslim Rohingya from Arakan state. ...

    Burma wants an ethnically pure state, though its border regions are filled with rebellious Thai and ethnic Chinese minorities.
     
    Total non-sequitur. What ethnic purity? The article itself says that Burma is a tangled "hodgepodge" of peoples and ethnicities - only 60% are Burmans, so as much as 40% are non-Burmans such as Karen and Shan.

    Amidst all this "hodgepodge" of peoples and ethnicities, only one group seems to be raping and murdering the others, in accordance with the teachings of its Koran: yep, the Muslim Rohyngia (i.e. Bangladeshis).

    On the religious front, Burma has 6.2% Christians, yet we hear no reports of any difficulties between them and the majority Buddhists.

    Nobody seems to remember that the Rohyngia, Muslim Bangladeshis who had been tolerated in North-West Burma near their native Bangladesh, tried in 2015 to stage a boat people drama for the world’s media, no doubt on the advice of Western “activists.”

    Rather than walk or drive a few miles back to their native Bangladesh, the Rohyngia arranged to have ships with “thousands” of Muslims towed over more than 1,000 miles, past the coast of Burma and Thailand, to seek welfare in Malaysia.

    The Malays weren’t having it:

    “What do you expect us to do?” Malaysian deputy home minister Wan Junaidi Jafaar said. “We have been very nice to the people who broke into our border. We have treated them humanely but they cannot be flooding our shores like this.”

    “We have to send the right message that they are not welcome here,” he said, just days after about 1,000 refugees landed on the shores of Langkawi, a popular resort island in northern Malaysia near Thailand. Another 600 have arrived surreptitiously in Indonesia.

    Thailand, already facing an epidemic of terrorism, rape and general violence from Muslim minorities in its own Southern provinces also declined to let the Rohyngia settle in Thailand:

    The Thai prime minister, Prayuth Chan-ocha, said his government did not have resources to host refugees.

    “If we take them all in, then anyone who wants to come will come freely. I am asking if Thailand will be able to take care of them all. Where will the budget come from?” Prayuth said. “No one wants them. Everyone wants a transit country like us to take responsibility. Is it fair?”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/14/malaysia-turns-back-migrant-boat-with-more-than-500-aboard

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  • @Eagle Eye

    Burma is a hodgepodge of peoples and ethnicities. The largest, about 60%, are Buddhist Burmans, but there are many other important groups like Karen, Kachin, Chin, Mon and Shan. About two million Burmese are Muslim Rohingya from Arakan state. ...

    Burma wants an ethnically pure state, though its border regions are filled with rebellious Thai and ethnic Chinese minorities.
     
    Total non-sequitur. What ethnic purity? The article itself says that Burma is a tangled "hodgepodge" of peoples and ethnicities - only 60% are Burmans, so as much as 40% are non-Burmans such as Karen and Shan.

    Amidst all this "hodgepodge" of peoples and ethnicities, only one group seems to be raping and murdering the others, in accordance with the teachings of its Koran: yep, the Muslim Rohyngia (i.e. Bangladeshis).

    On the religious front, Burma has 6.2% Christians, yet we hear no reports of any difficulties between them and the majority Buddhists.

    Just recently, the Rohyngias (no doubt “advised” by Western “activists”), rather than walking or driving a few miles from North-West Burma to their native Bangladesh, tried to stage a boat people drama for maximum media attention by having their ships towed past the entire coast of Burma and of Thailand to get to Muslim Malaysia.

    The Malays weren’t having any invasion by Bangladeshis:

    “What do you expect us to do?” Malaysian deputy home minister Wan Junaidi Jafaar said. “We have been very nice to the people who broke into our border. We have treated them humanely but they cannot be flooding our shores like this.”

    “We have to send the right message that they are not welcome here,” he said, just days after about 1,000 refugees landed on the shores of Langkawi, a popular resort island in northern Malaysia near Thailand. Another 600 have arrived surreptitiously in Indonesia.

    Thailand was equally weary of adding to the country’s burden with raping, terrorizing Muslims in its Southern provinces.

    The Thai prime minister, Prayuth Chan-ocha, said his government did not have resources to host refugees.

    “If we take them all in, then anyone who wants to come will come freely. I am asking if Thailand will be able to take care of them all. Where will the budget come from?” Prayuth said. “No one wants them. Everyone wants a transit country like us to take responsibility. Is it fair?”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/14/malaysia-turns-back-migrant-boat-with-more-than-500-aboard

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  • @Anonymous
    I get that targeting people for explusion and violence is bad. But this article is one sided.

    The Rohynga are a nomadic people like the gypsies. They don't know how to integrate into a modern society. They steal, rape, and kill others who are not like them.

    These people get kicked out of one country, move to another and get kicked out again.

    These gypsies are not Myanmar problem. Let India and Bangledesh deal with them.

    Burma is a hodgepodge of peoples and ethnicities. The largest, about 60%, are Buddhist Burmans, but there are many other important groups like Karen, Kachin, Chin, Mon and Shan. About two million Burmese are Muslim Rohingya from Arakan state. …

    Burma wants an ethnically pure state, though its border regions are filled with rebellious Thai and ethnic Chinese minorities.

    Total non-sequitur. What ethnic purity? The article itself says that Burma is a tangled “hodgepodge” of peoples and ethnicities – only 60% are Burmans, so as much as 40% are non-Burmans such as Karen and Shan.

    Amidst all this “hodgepodge” of peoples and ethnicities, only one group seems to be raping and murdering the others, in accordance with the teachings of its Koran: yep, the Muslim Rohyngia (i.e. Bangladeshis).

    On the religious front, Burma has 6.2% Christians, yet we hear no reports of any difficulties between them and the majority Buddhists.

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    Just recently, the Rohyngias (no doubt "advised" by Western "activists"), rather than walking or driving a few miles from North-West Burma to their native Bangladesh, tried to stage a boat people drama for maximum media attention by having their ships towed past the entire coast of Burma and of Thailand to get to Muslim Malaysia.

    The Malays weren't having any invasion by Bangladeshis:

    “What do you expect us to do?” Malaysian deputy home minister Wan Junaidi Jafaar said. “We have been very nice to the people who broke into our border. We have treated them humanely but they cannot be flooding our shores like this.”

    “We have to send the right message that they are not welcome here,” he said, just days after about 1,000 refugees landed on the shores of Langkawi, a popular resort island in northern Malaysia near Thailand. Another 600 have arrived surreptitiously in Indonesia.
     
    Thailand was equally weary of adding to the country's burden with raping, terrorizing Muslims in its Southern provinces.

    The Thai prime minister, Prayuth Chan-ocha, said his government did not have resources to host refugees.

    “If we take them all in, then anyone who wants to come will come freely. I am asking if Thailand will be able to take care of them all. Where will the budget come from?” Prayuth said. “No one wants them. Everyone wants a transit country like us to take responsibility. Is it fair?”
     
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/14/malaysia-turns-back-migrant-boat-with-more-than-500-aboard
    , @Eagle Eye
    Nobody seems to remember that the Rohyngia, Muslim Bangladeshis who had been tolerated in North-West Burma near their native Bangladesh, tried in 2015 to stage a boat people drama for the world's media, no doubt on the advice of Western "activists."

    Rather than walk or drive a few miles back to their native Bangladesh, the Rohyngia arranged to have ships with "thousands" of Muslims towed over more than 1,000 miles, past the coast of Burma and Thailand, to seek welfare in Malaysia.

    The Malays weren't having it:

    “What do you expect us to do?” Malaysian deputy home minister Wan Junaidi Jafaar said. “We have been very nice to the people who broke into our border. We have treated them humanely but they cannot be flooding our shores like this.”

    “We have to send the right message that they are not welcome here,” he said, just days after about 1,000 refugees landed on the shores of Langkawi, a popular resort island in northern Malaysia near Thailand. Another 600 have arrived surreptitiously in Indonesia.

     

    Thailand, already facing an epidemic of terrorism, rape and general violence from Muslim minorities in its own Southern provinces also declined to let the Rohyngia settle in Thailand:

    The Thai prime minister, Prayuth Chan-ocha, said his government did not have resources to host refugees.

    “If we take them all in, then anyone who wants to come will come freely. I am asking if Thailand will be able to take care of them all. Where will the budget come from?” Prayuth said. “No one wants them. Everyone wants a transit country like us to take responsibility. Is it fair?”

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/14/malaysia-turns-back-migrant-boat-with-more-than-500-aboard
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  • @Anonymous
    lol.

    Indian and Bangledeshis can't win a war against anybody unless it is against their own race.

    They are some of the most incompetent and weakest soldiers in the while world.

    I wouldn't hold your breath.

    Israel is sending ammunition and fighter planes to Burma . Bangladesh and India need to pay Israel enough to do the job against Burma .

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    Dangerous and false fascination with the myth of the peace loving nature of Buddhism

    "As many ancient Jain and Brahmanical texts speak of persecution at the hands of Indian Buddhists, as Buddhists accuse their South Asian competitors of the same. And consider Jerryson’s examples of the sixth century Chinese Buddhist monk Faqing, who promised his 50,000 followers that every opponent they killed would take them to a higher stage in the bodhisattva’s path. Or recall that with the advent of nationalism, Buddhist monks rallied to the cause as with Japanese Rinzai support for the military campaign against the Russians in 1904-5, or Zen and Pureland Buddhist justifications of the Japanese invasions of China, Korea and Singapore during World War II. Buddhism has been corrupted in these places, they argued, and violence is necessary to insure that ‘true’ Buddhism is restored and preserved. The same rhetoric – of some fundamental Buddhism under threat – also underwrites the more recently nationalized bigotry and violence that Buddhist monks and laypersons have unleashed on non-Buddhists in Thailand, Sri Lanka, Bhutan and, last but not least, Myanmar.

    “No religion has a monopoly on ‘violent people’,” Jerryson astutely concludes, “nor does any one religion have a greater propensity for violence.” All religions are vast complexes of thought and institutions and devotees of each can always find legitimacy for hostility or hospitality toward the other depending on mundane needs or wants. "

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/13/rohingya-and-the-myth-of-buddhist-tolerance/

    Those were Indian Buddhists though.

    I’m sure the tribal nature of Indian people overrode the more harmonious goal of the Bhuddist religion.

    Buddists aren’t immune to violence I’m sure, but compare it to the track record of Islam and mix in the tribal nature of Indian type people and you can see why Myanmar is fighting back.

    Glad to see they at least will not allow themselves to be cucked.

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    Upper caste Brahmins and their allies destroyed Buddhism in India. Destroyed Buddhist stupas and monastries and were responsible for the burning of Buddhist monks by trickery and deceit. But just about the time, they were about to make India a pure Hindu state, the Muslims barge in, put them in their place and finish of the job of destroying the Buddhists.
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  • @anononymous
    Bangladesh should prepare and lay the ground for attack on Burma in a time of frame of within next 10 yrs . This expulsion of people who have been there for decades to centuries from British Raj shall not go unpunished. But this is not the time. Dhaka should eye seizure of the lands and destruction of militant Buddhism from its neighborhood. It should start getting ready.

    lol.

    Indian and Bangledeshis can’t win a war against anybody unless it is against their own race.

    They are some of the most incompetent and weakest soldiers in the while world.

    I wouldn’t hold your breath.

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    Israel is sending ammunition and fighter planes to Burma . Bangladesh and India need to pay Israel enough to do the job against Burma .
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  • @Malla
    I have always said that you will never understand the situation in Myanmar until you read what Hla Oo has to say about the Rohingya issue.
    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/p/islamic-genocide-of-native-buddhists.html
    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2014/03/bangladesh-army-training-rohingya.html
    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2012/08/fake-photos-lies-and-muslim-killings-in.html

    His website uses the truth to destroy the official propaganda narrative.
    Rohingyas are a Bengali Muslim population who have no place in Buddhist Burma. The clash is racial (Caucasoid-Australoid hybrid South Asian "desi" population vs the Mongoloid-Australoid hybrid South East Asian population as this place falls on the borderlands between the Indian subcontinent and South East Asia ), linguistic and religious (Sunni Islam vs Theravada Buddhism). This racial clash between the Caucasoid-Australoid hybrid Indian subcontinental "desi" population vs the Mongoloid-Australoid hybrid South East Asian population is common in the wider region throughout the seven North Eastern states of India (most of whom want independence from the Indian government in New Delhi) as well as the the Chittagong hill tracts region of Bangladesh (who want independence from the Bangladeshi government in Dhaka).
    Islamic Bangladesh has been carrying out a genocide of Buddhists and even Christians from the Chittagong Hill tract region for a long time, why does no one talks about that?
    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2017/04/long-running-buddhist-genocide-in.html
    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2013/05/buddhist-exodus-from-bangladeshs.html
    Check out this series on the Muslim genocide of Mongoloid Buddhists in Bangladesh
    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2013/04/genocide-of-buddhists-in-bangladesh.html
    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2013/04/islamic-genocide-of-buddhists-in.html

    These Buddhists South East Asians are much more friendlier to westerners and would make much better neighbours to an average Western White family compared to the Bengali muslims. Indeed most of the natives of the Indian Norther Eastern states (Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur etc...) are Christians with a large Mormon population.
    But I guess White people have this sadistic nature of hating friendly populations and supporting surly thuggish ethnic groupss. This explains the problems in the west. The West nukes Japan and invites millions of Muslim and African immigrants to it's lands. It is a suicidal civilization.

    The British did a bad job of dividing the Indian-Burmese border during the time of the Raj as well as moving peoples around the empire causing all kinds of inter racial, inter ethnic troubles. But I still do not blame the Brits for the present day carnage, it is the absence of the British Raj which is causing so much problems in the region. It is the fall of the British Empire in the region which led to all the carnage such as the division of British India into India and Pakistan, division of Pakistan into Bangladesh and Pakistan, the Tamil separatist problem in Sri Lanka, the separatist movements in Kashmir and the North Eastern states of India, separatist movements in Balochistan in Pakistan, separatist movements in the Chittagong hill tracts of Bangladesh, Hindu Muslim riots and caste based riots in India etc... Under Pax Britannia there was peace in the region as the British were neutral outsiders in a multi racial, multicultural, multi religious nightmare of a region.

    Bangladesh should prepare and lay the ground for attack on Burma in a time of frame of within next 10 yrs . This expulsion of people who have been there for decades to centuries from British Raj shall not go unpunished. But this is not the time. Dhaka should eye seizure of the lands and destruction of militant Buddhism from its neighborhood. It should start getting ready.

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    lol.

    Indian and Bangledeshis can't win a war against anybody unless it is against their own race.

    They are some of the most incompetent and weakest soldiers in the while world.

    I wouldn't hold your breath.
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  • anon • Disclaimer says:

    Dangerous and false fascination with the myth of the peace loving nature of Buddhism

    “As many ancient Jain and Brahmanical texts speak of persecution at the hands of Indian Buddhists, as Buddhists accuse their South Asian competitors of the same. And consider Jerryson’s examples of the sixth century Chinese Buddhist monk Faqing, who promised his 50,000 followers that every opponent they killed would take them to a higher stage in the bodhisattva’s path. Or recall that with the advent of nationalism, Buddhist monks rallied to the cause as with Japanese Rinzai support for the military campaign against the Russians in 1904-5, or Zen and Pureland Buddhist justifications of the Japanese invasions of China, Korea and Singapore during World War II. Buddhism has been corrupted in these places, they argued, and violence is necessary to insure that ‘true’ Buddhism is restored and preserved. The same rhetoric – of some fundamental Buddhism under threat – also underwrites the more recently nationalized bigotry and violence that Buddhist monks and laypersons have unleashed on non-Buddhists in Thailand, Sri Lanka, Bhutan and, last but not least, Myanmar.

    “No religion has a monopoly on ‘violent people’,” Jerryson astutely concludes, “nor does any one religion have a greater propensity for violence.” All religions are vast complexes of thought and institutions and devotees of each can always find legitimacy for hostility or hospitality toward the other depending on mundane needs or wants. ”

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/13/rohingya-and-the-myth-of-buddhist-tolerance/

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    Those were Indian Buddhists though.

    I'm sure the tribal nature of Indian people overrode the more harmonious goal of the Bhuddist religion.

    Buddists aren't immune to violence I'm sure, but compare it to the track record of Islam and mix in the tribal nature of Indian type people and you can see why Myanmar is fighting back.

    Glad to see they at least will not allow themselves to be cucked.
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  • @Anonymous
    The people in Myanmar are the ones being raped and murdered by the Rohynga.

    They are just now finally fighting back which the mainstream media is punishing them for.

    Precisely. The sweet, harmless, saintly little Rohynga made themselves loathsome to their hosts, as is the wont of Muslims. Now scumbags like this Margolis fool bleat and whine when this bipedal dross of the Rohynga is given the bum’s rush, because everyone knows that the only way to be virtuous is to lie down and let Muslims walk on your face while raping your women, raping your children, and destroying your civilization.

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  • @Silva
    The Tutsi did fail to repay the Hutu a genocide. And there's been even Unz readers doing business in Rwanda commenting that it's been working decently.

    To the moderator: I didn't want to double-post, but I didn't knew other way to keep my comment indexed to the one I'm replying to.

    the Turkey gets well fed and tended right up to thanksgiving, at which point they lop his head off. Armenians were living relatively safely in Turkey until the Young Turks suddenly came to power, and boom, 1.5 mil dead.

    African countries go through cycles of chaos and relative stability, at which point ethnic and religious tensions soar and old scores are settled. Furthermore, we still have the West casting a heavy shadow over Africa. As our relative power declines, the spectre of economic sanctions, human rights courts, military intervention, and diplomatic freezing decline. The new rising powers have no particular regard for the human rights ideology. Ever hear China complaining about Pakistani suppression of Baluchistan? No, beyond stability for economic projects, they don’t care.

    We are the only ones who care about human rights (apart from a few brown pets trained up by liberal internationalists), because they are an expression of our civilization in its decadent phase. Ironically enough, our obsession with them is leading to rot in our own societies and loss of influence to other centres of power.

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  • @masmanz
    If your values do not tell you to side with those who are being raped and murdered then does the word 'value' mean anything to you? Eric is siding with the persecuted minority and I salute him for that.

    When i say ‘determine your values accordingly,’ i mean develop the sort of values which create a society that can effectively deal with these sort of threats. Values can differ, and they depend upon different readings of the nature of reality. Because you’re inured in the liberal truth regime, you’re ideologically myopia leads to assume no other variations exist.

    The elementary ‘humanitarian’ error on display in your comment is the belief conflict isn’t part of the fabric of existence. It leads you to assume a deviation has taken place, rather than a natural occurrence, and hence in the victim – oppressor dialectic. These Muslims would do the same thing if they had the upper hand.

    Rather than autistic screeching about human rights (as if that has ever achieved anything), we need to look at the structure and scope of factors which prevent conflict. Trying to resolve conflict in the domain of values tends to trigger more conflict. Solutions must be political.

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  • @Priss Factor
    President Recep Erdogan of Turkey is clearly out of patience with Burma’s thuggish government.

    ROTFL

    You mean the Erdo who supported ISIS in Syria? The Erdo who suspended rights in Turkey following the fishy coup? The Erdo who continues to wage war on the Kurds?

    Maybe the Myanmar government should fund Kurdish independence movements in Turkey. Tit for Tat.

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  • I have always said that you will never understand the situation in Myanmar until you read what Hla Oo has to say about the Rohingya issue.

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/p/islamic-genocide-of-native-buddhists.html

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2014/03/bangladesh-army-training-rohingya.html

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2012/08/fake-photos-lies-and-muslim-killings-in.html

    His website uses the truth to destroy the official propaganda narrative.
    Rohingyas are a Bengali Muslim population who have no place in Buddhist Burma. The clash is racial (Caucasoid-Australoid hybrid South Asian “desi” population vs the Mongoloid-Australoid hybrid South East Asian population as this place falls on the borderlands between the Indian subcontinent and South East Asia ), linguistic and religious (Sunni Islam vs Theravada Buddhism). This racial clash between the Caucasoid-Australoid hybrid Indian subcontinental “desi” population vs the Mongoloid-Australoid hybrid South East Asian population is common in the wider region throughout the seven North Eastern states of India (most of whom want independence from the Indian government in New Delhi) as well as the the Chittagong hill tracts region of Bangladesh (who want independence from the Bangladeshi government in Dhaka).
    Islamic Bangladesh has been carrying out a genocide of Buddhists and even Christians from the Chittagong Hill tract region for a long time, why does no one talks about that?

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2017/04/long-running-buddhist-genocide-in.html

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2013/05/buddhist-exodus-from-bangladeshs.html

    Check out this series on the Muslim genocide of Mongoloid Buddhists in Bangladesh

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2013/04/genocide-of-buddhists-in-bangladesh.html

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2013/04/islamic-genocide-of-buddhists-in.html

    These Buddhists South East Asians are much more friendlier to westerners and would make much better neighbours to an average Western White family compared to the Bengali muslims. Indeed most of the natives of the Indian Norther Eastern states (Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur etc…) are Christians with a large Mormon population.
    But I guess White people have this sadistic nature of hating friendly populations and supporting surly thuggish ethnic groupss. This explains the problems in the west. The West nukes Japan and invites millions of Muslim and African immigrants to it’s lands. It is a suicidal civilization.

    The British did a bad job of dividing the Indian-Burmese border during the time of the Raj as well as moving peoples around the empire causing all kinds of inter racial, inter ethnic troubles. But I still do not blame the Brits for the present day carnage, it is the absence of the British Raj which is causing so much problems in the region. It is the fall of the British Empire in the region which led to all the carnage such as the division of British India into India and Pakistan, division of Pakistan into Bangladesh and Pakistan, the Tamil separatist problem in Sri Lanka, the separatist movements in Kashmir and the North Eastern states of India, separatist movements in Balochistan in Pakistan, separatist movements in the Chittagong hill tracts of Bangladesh, Hindu Muslim riots and caste based riots in India etc… Under Pax Britannia there was peace in the region as the British were neutral outsiders in a multi racial, multicultural, multi religious nightmare of a region.

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    Bangladesh should prepare and lay the ground for attack on Burma in a time of frame of within next 10 yrs . This expulsion of people who have been there for decades to centuries from British Raj shall not go unpunished. But this is not the time. Dhaka should eye seizure of the lands and destruction of militant Buddhism from its neighborhood. It should start getting ready.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @masmanz
    Burma is not the only issue Eric has written about over the years. Are you saying that he should not have condemned this genocide because some other people are committing, or have committed, atrocities elsewhere?

    Eric took a completely one sided position on this issue. No journalistic integrity what so ever.

    What Myanmar is doing is bad, but so is what the Rohynga are doing. This spate of violence was started when the Rohynga attacked outposts first.

    Let’s hear you condemn the violence from the Rohynga.

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  • @masmanz
    If your values do not tell you to side with those who are being raped and murdered then does the word 'value' mean anything to you? Eric is siding with the persecuted minority and I salute him for that.

    The people in Myanmar are the ones being raped and murdered by the Rohynga.

    They are just now finally fighting back which the mainstream media is punishing them for.

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    Precisely. The sweet, harmless, saintly little Rohynga made themselves loathsome to their hosts, as is the wont of Muslims. Now scumbags like this Margolis fool bleat and whine when this bipedal dross of the Rohynga is given the bum's rush, because everyone knows that the only way to be virtuous is to lie down and let Muslims walk on your face while raping your women, raping your children, and destroying your civilization.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @masmanz
    Yes, blame everyone except for the ones who are committing rape and murder and are burning down the houses. Shame on the Nobel prize winner who is supervising all this.

    Rape and murder is happening in Yemen right now. Why is no one protesting this?

    Are you a muslim? If so shame on you for being so choosy on who can be called a victim.

    Also, the Rohynga are not innocent at all. There is a reason no one wants to take them in even their own kin in India and Bangledesh want them out.

    It is because they are a lawless mass of people who don’t know how to integrate into modern socitey who rape and kill their neighbors.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    - It is criminal act on part of Burma and it will not go unpunished.

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    Some of the resources you may want to look into- ( from UK and India )

    even though their families’ roots in modern-day Rakhine, once called Arakan, can be traced back to the Eighth Century.
    Since World War Two they have been treated increasingly by Burmese authorities as illegal, interloping Bengalis, facing apartheid-like conditions that deny them free movement or state education while government forces intermittently drive out and slaughter them. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/rohingya-muslims/

    In 1962, after General Ne Win’s Burma Socialist Programme Party (BSPP) seized power, the military government dissolved Rohingya social and political organisations.
    In 1982, a citizenship law by the military junta effectively stripped Rohingyas of their Burmese nationality and basic rights, rendering them stateless. Along with the Rohingyas, an unknown number of Persons of Indian Origin (PIOs) who reside in Burma are also stateless, though they have lived in the country for generations. According to the Indian government’s estimates, as many as 2.5 million PIOs could be living in Burma. http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/the-world-s-most-persecuted-community-who-are-the-rohingyas/story-PgNwZ4URpdpMpZXNryw88I.html

    They are not officially recognised as an ethnic group, partly due to a 1982 law stipulating that minorities must prove they lived in Myanmar prior to 1823 – before the first Anglo-Burmese war – to obtain nationality.
    Read more at http://www.star2.com/people/2017/09/08/rohingya-stateless-persecuted-fleeing-myanmar/#fb1BBOZXOoYxvyXU.99 http://www.star2.com/people/2017/09/08/rohingya-stateless-persecuted-fleeing-myanmar/

    anon is an Indian poster, so of course he is using Indian and UK sources which have no credibility.

    This is just another divide and rule play by the British and their Indian vassals.

    You are right on this act not going unpunished. The UK and India will have to recieve these people.

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  • @Priss Factor
    Burmese government is doing some bad stuff, but then, so is Duterte in fighting drug gangs.

    But then, Muslims act pretty vile too, and if they were the majority, how nicely would they treat rebellious minorities?

    Besides, US has used neo-nazis in Ukraine and turns a blind eye to Saudi horrors in Yemen and Israel bloodbath in Gaza.

    So, why is Burma a special case? It is a nasty nation like the rest.

    Burma is not the only issue Eric has written about over the years. Are you saying that he should not have condemned this genocide because some other people are committing, or have committed, atrocities elsewhere?

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    Eric took a completely one sided position on this issue. No journalistic integrity what so ever.

    What Myanmar is doing is bad, but so is what the Rohynga are doing. This spate of violence was started when the Rohynga attacked outposts first.

    Let's hear you condemn the violence from the Rohynga.
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  • @masmanz
    Yes, blame everyone except for the ones who are committing rape and murder and are burning down the houses. Shame on the Nobel prize winner who is supervising all this.

    Burmese government is doing some bad stuff, but then, so is Duterte in fighting drug gangs.

    But then, Muslims act pretty vile too, and if they were the majority, how nicely would they treat rebellious minorities?

    Besides, US has used neo-nazis in Ukraine and turns a blind eye to Saudi horrors in Yemen and Israel bloodbath in Gaza.

    So, why is Burma a special case? It is a nasty nation like the rest.

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    Burma is not the only issue Eric has written about over the years. Are you saying that he should not have condemned this genocide because some other people are committing, or have committed, atrocities elsewhere?
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  • @Lemurmaniac
    Another point that should be made here is the white liberal imposition of the victim-master narrative. If the power dynamics were reversed, these Muslims would be prone to the same behavour.

    Greg Johnson made the point about this after the Kony film:

    As for taking sides in African civil wars: Africa is filled with savage warlords who commit horrifying atrocities. It is only natural to feel sympathy for the victims of such atrocities. But is it really logical to conclude that the victims are fundamentally morally different from their persecutors? If they were stronger, would the victims treat their persecutors with any more humanity? Would they not also rape, torture, mutilate, slaughter, and cannibalize their enemies in the grand African fashion? If this is the case, then why take sides in their conflicts? And why, of all things, bring them here and resettle them as refugees? That’s just asking for trouble.
     
    In short, Eric, the stupid white liberal, has encountered a glitch in his ideological system. He's fascinated with, and promotes the interests of, the non-white other, but this non-white other will mutually engage in illiberal behavivour the minute the white liberal power retreats. What a lulzy ways reality has of reminding the last men it cares not one whit for their pretensions. As Spengler said, war and conflict are a human constant. Determine your values accordingly.

    If your values do not tell you to side with those who are being raped and murdered then does the word ‘value’ mean anything to you? Eric is siding with the persecuted minority and I salute him for that.

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    The people in Myanmar are the ones being raped and murdered by the Rohynga.

    They are just now finally fighting back which the mainstream media is punishing them for.
    , @Lemurmaniac
    When i say 'determine your values accordingly,' i mean develop the sort of values which create a society that can effectively deal with these sort of threats. Values can differ, and they depend upon different readings of the nature of reality. Because you're inured in the liberal truth regime, you're ideologically myopia leads to assume no other variations exist.

    The elementary 'humanitarian' error on display in your comment is the belief conflict isn't part of the fabric of existence. It leads you to assume a deviation has taken place, rather than a natural occurrence, and hence in the victim - oppressor dialectic. These Muslims would do the same thing if they had the upper hand.

    Rather than autistic screeching about human rights (as if that has ever achieved anything), we need to look at the structure and scope of factors which prevent conflict. Trying to resolve conflict in the domain of values tends to trigger more conflict. Solutions must be political.
    , @Dave Bowman
    You are being painfully naive.

    He is "siding with the persecuted minority" ENTIRELY for self-interested, self-promoting, ethnic JEWISH reasons (the Rohingya are historically part-Jewish) and NOT because he cares a single hypocritical shred about the plight of the suffering people - they do, after all, self-identify as Moslems.

    The Rohingya are a nomadic, arrogant, anti-social, criminally-minded and completely self-centred ethnic grouping, who have worn out their welcome in one nation after another, and eventually received the same natural and inevitable reward from the host peoples as corrupt, thieving, rapine Jews have always done - and for very much the same reasons.
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  • @Anon
    Absolute rubbish ....

    This is yet another CIA controlled islamic jihad uprising aimed at curbing the geopolitical influence of China.

    China wants a land gas/oil pipeline through Myanmar that bypasses the Straights of Malacca into the Indian Ocean, plain & simple, the opportunities this would give Myanmar are too good to miss & would open the country up to the OBOR project. Myanmar has been held back by over a century or more of imperialistic control in one way or another.

    Of course the dying 'Empire' will stop at nothing to prevent this. Recent examples like Syria are a good example. This is simply Langley throwing a stick into the the spokes of the wheel again. You can tell simply by the amount of mainstream media coverage the plight of these poor Muslims are getting. Its hardly balanced reporting.

    Why do you think that there was a sudden upward trend in Islamic unrest in the southern Philippines recently when Duterte started to move away from US influence & gradually towards closer Asian counterparts?

    Its all about hegemony & the geopolitical domination of the control of the supply of the worlds hydrocarbons ... i.e oil & gas.

    Yes, blame everyone except for the ones who are committing rape and murder and are burning down the houses. Shame on the Nobel prize winner who is supervising all this.

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    Burmese government is doing some bad stuff, but then, so is Duterte in fighting drug gangs.

    But then, Muslims act pretty vile too, and if they were the majority, how nicely would they treat rebellious minorities?

    Besides, US has used neo-nazis in Ukraine and turns a blind eye to Saudi horrors in Yemen and Israel bloodbath in Gaza.

    So, why is Burma a special case? It is a nasty nation like the rest.
    , @Anonymous
    Rape and murder is happening in Yemen right now. Why is no one protesting this?

    Are you a muslim? If so shame on you for being so choosy on who can be called a victim.

    Also, the Rohynga are not innocent at all. There is a reason no one wants to take them in even their own kin in India and Bangledesh want them out.

    It is because they are a lawless mass of people who don't know how to integrate into modern socitey who rape and kill their neighbors.
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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Absolute rubbish ….

    This is yet another CIA controlled islamic jihad uprising aimed at curbing the geopolitical influence of China.

    China wants a land gas/oil pipeline through Myanmar that bypasses the Straights of Malacca into the Indian Ocean, plain & simple, the opportunities this would give Myanmar are too good to miss & would open the country up to the OBOR project. Myanmar has been held back by over a century or more of imperialistic control in one way or another.

    Of course the dying ‘Empire’ will stop at nothing to prevent this. Recent examples like Syria are a good example. This is simply Langley throwing a stick into the the spokes of the wheel again. You can tell simply by the amount of mainstream media coverage the plight of these poor Muslims are getting. Its hardly balanced reporting.

    Why do you think that there was a sudden upward trend in Islamic unrest in the southern Philippines recently when Duterte started to move away from US influence & gradually towards closer Asian counterparts?

    Its all about hegemony & the geopolitical domination of the control of the supply of the worlds hydrocarbons … i.e oil & gas.

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    Yes, blame everyone except for the ones who are committing rape and murder and are burning down the houses. Shame on the Nobel prize winner who is supervising all this.
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  • Aung San Su Kyi used to be a “saint,” for the left, now they have turned on her big time,because she has taken a pro nationalist position.

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  • Deep Shame on Eric Margolis.

    Demanding that ASSK speak out on this issue is equivalent to asking The Lady to commit suicide.
    Deep shame on you Margolis for doing this.

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Again, that's just the narrative you are pushing. The Rohynga only started calling themselves that a short while ago. They are a nomadic tribe that drifts from one place to another.

    There may have been some of them in that physical location a long time ago, but since then it has been filled with immigrants from India who have no connection to the place.

    Very deceptive spin you are using I see.

    If you want a refutation read the link in post 12.

    - It is criminal act on part of Burma and it will not go unpunished.

    ————————–
    Some of the resources you may want to look into- ( from UK and India )

    even though their families’ roots in modern-day Rakhine, once called Arakan, can be traced back to the Eighth Century.
    Since World War Two they have been treated increasingly by Burmese authorities as illegal, interloping Bengalis, facing apartheid-like conditions that deny them free movement or state education while government forces intermittently drive out and slaughter them. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/rohingya-muslims/

    In 1962, after General Ne Win’s Burma Socialist Programme Party (BSPP) seized power, the military government dissolved Rohingya social and political organisations.
    In 1982, a citizenship law by the military junta effectively stripped Rohingyas of their Burmese nationality and basic rights, rendering them stateless. Along with the Rohingyas, an unknown number of Persons of Indian Origin (PIOs) who reside in Burma are also stateless, though they have lived in the country for generations. According to the Indian government’s estimates, as many as 2.5 million PIOs could be living in Burma. http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/the-world-s-most-persecuted-community-who-are-the-rohingyas/story-PgNwZ4URpdpMpZXNryw88I.html

    They are not officially recognised as an ethnic group, partly due to a 1982 law stipulating that minorities must prove they lived in Myanmar prior to 1823 – before the first Anglo-Burmese war – to obtain nationality.
    Read more at http://www.star2.com/people/2017/09/08/rohingya-stateless-persecuted-fleeing-myanmar/#fb1BBOZXOoYxvyXU.99 http://www.star2.com/people/2017/09/08/rohingya-stateless-persecuted-fleeing-myanmar/

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    anon is an Indian poster, so of course he is using Indian and UK sources which have no credibility.

    This is just another divide and rule play by the British and their Indian vassals.

    You are right on this act not going unpunished. The UK and India will have to recieve these people.
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  • I dare say that Bosnia and Bosnians are incomparable in most details with any other world region or country.
    For one fact, we do not know that most Bosnians don’t stem from Illyrians, Goths, Kelts, but do know that all descend from Slavs which settled Bosnia in 6th and seventh century.
    They were Christians until conquest of Bosnia by Ottoman empire in 16th century.
    Many, thereafter, converted to Islam.

    And, as often was and is now the case, where there is more than one religion [cult, belief-in-emptiness], there are a lot of disagreements; and times leading to or cause even wars.

    Palestina, Syria, Iraq are locus classicus of such happenings.

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  • @Lemurmaniac
    Another point that should be made here is the white liberal imposition of the victim-master narrative. If the power dynamics were reversed, these Muslims would be prone to the same behavour.

    Greg Johnson made the point about this after the Kony film:

    As for taking sides in African civil wars: Africa is filled with savage warlords who commit horrifying atrocities. It is only natural to feel sympathy for the victims of such atrocities. But is it really logical to conclude that the victims are fundamentally morally different from their persecutors? If they were stronger, would the victims treat their persecutors with any more humanity? Would they not also rape, torture, mutilate, slaughter, and cannibalize their enemies in the grand African fashion? If this is the case, then why take sides in their conflicts? And why, of all things, bring them here and resettle them as refugees? That’s just asking for trouble.
     
    In short, Eric, the stupid white liberal, has encountered a glitch in his ideological system. He's fascinated with, and promotes the interests of, the non-white other, but this non-white other will mutually engage in illiberal behavivour the minute the white liberal power retreats. What a lulzy ways reality has of reminding the last men it cares not one whit for their pretensions. As Spengler said, war and conflict are a human constant. Determine your values accordingly.

    The Tutsi did fail to repay the Hutu a genocide. And there’s been even Unz readers doing business in Rwanda commenting that it’s been working decently.

    To the moderator: I didn’t want to double-post, but I didn’t knew other way to keep my comment indexed to the one I’m replying to.

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    the Turkey gets well fed and tended right up to thanksgiving, at which point they lop his head off. Armenians were living relatively safely in Turkey until the Young Turks suddenly came to power, and boom, 1.5 mil dead.

    African countries go through cycles of chaos and relative stability, at which point ethnic and religious tensions soar and old scores are settled. Furthermore, we still have the West casting a heavy shadow over Africa. As our relative power declines, the spectre of economic sanctions, human rights courts, military intervention, and diplomatic freezing decline. The new rising powers have no particular regard for the human rights ideology. Ever hear China complaining about Pakistani suppression of Baluchistan? No, beyond stability for economic projects, they don't care.

    We are the only ones who care about human rights (apart from a few brown pets trained up by liberal internationalists), because they are an expression of our civilization in its decadent phase. Ironically enough, our obsession with them is leading to rot in our own societies and loss of influence to other centres of power.
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  • @anony-mouse
    I thought everyone all the Unz.com writers were pro-Nationalism. Oh well.

    If there was only Nationalism here, it’d be poorer – Nationalism isn’t the only suppressed perspective (it’s one of the most supressed, which is why there’s more of it here, but not the only). And Ron, explaining his strategy, mentions the importance of alliance between people with substantial disagreements who share the same problem. And I’m happy to think that diversity of opinion (among those not seen in the mainstream) actually is approached here.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @KA
    It is not . Arkan was part of Assam area and was also part of Bengal because Assam was part of Bengal under Mughal rule and later under Nabab of Sirijudllah who was defeated by Clive of Rast India in 1749, about 40 yrs before Burmese ruler came to occupy until 1826 .

    If you some other proofs , share it please . This area has seen movement of people of different ethnicities until 20 th century. Assamese themselves came from further east 600 yrs ago.

    Again, that’s just the narrative you are pushing. The Rohynga only started calling themselves that a short while ago. They are a nomadic tribe that drifts from one place to another.

    There may have been some of them in that physical location a long time ago, but since then it has been filled with immigrants from India who have no connection to the place.

    Very deceptive spin you are using I see.

    If you want a refutation read the link in post 12.

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    - It is criminal act on part of Burma and it will not go unpunished.

    --------------------------
    Some of the resources you may want to look into- ( from UK and India )

    even though their families’ roots in modern-day Rakhine, once called Arakan, can be traced back to the Eighth Century.
    Since World War Two they have been treated increasingly by Burmese authorities as illegal, interloping Bengalis, facing apartheid-like conditions that deny them free movement or state education while government forces intermittently drive out and slaughter them. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/rohingya-muslims/

    In 1962, after General Ne Win’s Burma Socialist Programme Party (BSPP) seized power, the military government dissolved Rohingya social and political organisations.
    In 1982, a citizenship law by the military junta effectively stripped Rohingyas of their Burmese nationality and basic rights, rendering them stateless. Along with the Rohingyas, an unknown number of Persons of Indian Origin (PIOs) who reside in Burma are also stateless, though they have lived in the country for generations. According to the Indian government’s estimates, as many as 2.5 million PIOs could be living in Burma. http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/the-world-s-most-persecuted-community-who-are-the-rohingyas/story-PgNwZ4URpdpMpZXNryw88I.html

    They are not officially recognised as an ethnic group, partly due to a 1982 law stipulating that minorities must prove they lived in Myanmar prior to 1823 – before the first Anglo-Burmese war – to obtain nationality.
    Read more at http://www.star2.com/people/2017/09/08/rohingya-stateless-persecuted-fleeing-myanmar/#fb1BBOZXOoYxvyXU.99 http://www.star2.com/people/2017/09/08/rohingya-stateless-persecuted-fleeing-myanmar/
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  • I am sick to the teeth of these “Rohingya” “people”

    Many have been settled close to where I live in Australia, and let me tell you, the way that they drive (they make mainland Chinese drivers seem alert and well-trained) will lead to them being driven out of here as well, at this rate.

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  • Another point that should be made here is the white liberal imposition of the victim-master narrative. If the power dynamics were reversed, these Muslims would be prone to the same behavour.

    Greg Johnson made the point about this after the Kony film:

    As for taking sides in African civil wars: Africa is filled with savage warlords who commit horrifying atrocities. It is only natural to feel sympathy for the victims of such atrocities. But is it really logical to conclude that the victims are fundamentally morally different from their persecutors? If they were stronger, would the victims treat their persecutors with any more humanity? Would they not also rape, torture, mutilate, slaughter, and cannibalize their enemies in the grand African fashion? If this is the case, then why take sides in their conflicts? And why, of all things, bring them here and resettle them as refugees? That’s just asking for trouble.

    In short, Eric, the stupid white liberal, has encountered a glitch in his ideological system. He’s fascinated with, and promotes the interests of, the non-white other, but this non-white other will mutually engage in illiberal behavivour the minute the white liberal power retreats. What a lulzy ways reality has of reminding the last men it cares not one whit for their pretensions. As Spengler said, war and conflict are a human constant. Determine your values accordingly.

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    The Tutsi did fail to repay the Hutu a genocide. And there's been even Unz readers doing business in Rwanda commenting that it's been working decently.

    To the moderator: I didn't want to double-post, but I didn't knew other way to keep my comment indexed to the one I'm replying to.

    , @masmanz
    If your values do not tell you to side with those who are being raped and murdered then does the word 'value' mean anything to you? Eric is siding with the persecuted minority and I salute him for that.
    , @Dave Bowman
    Of course Moslems would not do any of those appallingly evil things to other people, as I have been advised that Islam is the religion of Peace.
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  • Muslims piss off people wherever they go. The only solution is segregation to minimize tension. Since the West suddenly decided after ethnically cleansing Germans from Eastern Europe ethnic cleansing was now ‘bad’, tensions are suppressed until they boil over in violent massacres. I certainly won’t be shedding tears over a few Mohamedians getting the business from the Burmese majority. Those who make soft ethnic cleansing impossible make hard ethnic cleansing inevitable.

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  • @Anonymous
    Sorry, but this just sounds like revisionist history.

    I have no doubt that there were brown people originally from India that were living in that area a long time ago.

    But that doesn't make it Rohynga land. Again, as a parallel to Jews, you seem to cite a convoluted narrative of how the Rohynga used to have a nation state there and that entitles them to their own territory now.

    The most likely scenario that I see is that there was a tribe from India that was outcast because nobody wanted them in India. This tribe immigrated to Myanmar and no one stopped them.

    Years later the British encouraged more immigration from India and there was a massive influx of Indians that moved to the area. These people called themselves Rohynga.

    That doesn't give them ethnic rights to land in this region, especially since this influx of immigrants was used to try and overthrow the rulers if Myanmar.

    If anyone should have to take them in, it should be the UK, Bangladesh, or India.

    It is not . Arkan was part of Assam area and was also part of Bengal because Assam was part of Bengal under Mughal rule and later under Nabab of Sirijudllah who was defeated by Clive of Rast India in 1749, about 40 yrs before Burmese ruler came to occupy until 1826 .

    If you some other proofs , share it please . This area has seen movement of people of different ethnicities until 20 th century. Assamese themselves came from further east 600 yrs ago.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Again, that's just the narrative you are pushing. The Rohynga only started calling themselves that a short while ago. They are a nomadic tribe that drifts from one place to another.

    There may have been some of them in that physical location a long time ago, but since then it has been filled with immigrants from India who have no connection to the place.

    Very deceptive spin you are using I see.

    If you want a refutation read the link in post 12.
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    @KA
    From 15 th century Bengalese used to live in Arkan area . It was part of Chittagong ( Bangladesh ) in 1666.
    In 1785, Burmese attacked and occupied Arkan ( where Rohingya has been living ) .
    British occupied it back for Raj in 1826 . This logically and naturally brought more people from the Raj .

    Sorry, but this just sounds like revisionist history.

    I have no doubt that there were brown people originally from India that were living in that area a long time ago.

    But that doesn’t make it Rohynga land. Again, as a parallel to Jews, you seem to cite a convoluted narrative of how the Rohynga used to have a nation state there and that entitles them to their own territory now.

    The most likely scenario that I see is that there was a tribe from India that was outcast because nobody wanted them in India. This tribe immigrated to Myanmar and no one stopped them.

    Years later the British encouraged more immigration from India and there was a massive influx of Indians that moved to the area. These people called themselves Rohynga.

    That doesn’t give them ethnic rights to land in this region, especially since this influx of immigrants was used to try and overthrow the rulers if Myanmar.

    If anyone should have to take them in, it should be the UK, Bangladesh, or India.

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    It is not . Arkan was part of Assam area and was also part of Bengal because Assam was part of Bengal under Mughal rule and later under Nabab of Sirijudllah who was defeated by Clive of Rast India in 1749, about 40 yrs before Burmese ruler came to occupy until 1826 .

    If you some other proofs , share it please . This area has seen movement of people of different ethnicities until 20 th century. Assamese themselves came from further east 600 yrs ago.
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  • @Anonymous
    I find it interesting to see the Western spin on this issue as well as to see Mr Margolis so involved in this issue against Myanmar.

    I think I know the reason why.

    The Rohynga are basically an Indian version of Jews. Their history closely mirrors each other. They are gypsy type populations that have a hard time integrating with locals wherever they go.

    So they get kicked out of one country after another including Bangledesh which is Muslim and the same race.

    Also these populations are being "genocided" and there is a diaspora that writes books on their plight with very generous historical narratives.

    And of course, the British offered the Rohynga their own piece of promised land just like the Jews.

    Now I understand where Margolis is coming from here. Their plight hits too close to home for any sort of journalistic integrity. If only Margolis would engage us here in the comments section.

    From 15 th century Bengalese used to live in Arkan area . It was part of Chittagong ( Bangladesh ) in 1666.
    In 1785, Burmese attacked and occupied Arkan ( where Rohingya has been living ) .
    British occupied it back for Raj in 1826 . This logically and naturally brought more people from the Raj .

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Sorry, but this just sounds like revisionist history.

    I have no doubt that there were brown people originally from India that were living in that area a long time ago.

    But that doesn't make it Rohynga land. Again, as a parallel to Jews, you seem to cite a convoluted narrative of how the Rohynga used to have a nation state there and that entitles them to their own territory now.

    The most likely scenario that I see is that there was a tribe from India that was outcast because nobody wanted them in India. This tribe immigrated to Myanmar and no one stopped them.

    Years later the British encouraged more immigration from India and there was a massive influx of Indians that moved to the area. These people called themselves Rohynga.

    That doesn't give them ethnic rights to land in this region, especially since this influx of immigrants was used to try and overthrow the rulers if Myanmar.

    If anyone should have to take them in, it should be the UK, Bangladesh, or India.
    , @Jony
    Finally someone got it right.
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  • Bring Aung San Suu Kyi to the ICC.

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    Of course.

    And also the military generals / controllers / butchers / old-world commuinist MALE tyrants of Myanmar who hold the only REAL power too - if necessary, by western military invasion, assault and kidnap, to put them on trial in the Hague before the western media, no matter WHAT any one else thinks..?

    Thought not.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I find it interesting to see the Western spin on this issue as well as to see Mr Margolis so involved in this issue against Myanmar.

    I think I know the reason why.

    The Rohynga are basically an Indian version of Jews. Their history closely mirrors each other. They are gypsy type populations that have a hard time integrating with locals wherever they go.

    So they get kicked out of one country after another including Bangledesh which is Muslim and the same race.

    Also these populations are being “genocided” and there is a diaspora that writes books on their plight with very generous historical narratives.

    And of course, the British offered the Rohynga their own piece of promised land just like the Jews.

    Now I understand where Margolis is coming from here. Their plight hits too close to home for any sort of journalistic integrity. If only Margolis would engage us here in the comments section.

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    From 15 th century Bengalese used to live in Arkan area . It was part of Chittagong ( Bangladesh ) in 1666.
    In 1785, Burmese attacked and occupied Arkan ( where Rohingya has been living ) .
    British occupied it back for Raj in 1826 . This logically and naturally brought more people from the Raj .
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I get that targeting people for explusion and violence is bad. But this article is one sided.

    The Rohynga are a nomadic people like the gypsies. They don’t know how to integrate into a modern society. They steal, rape, and kill others who are not like them.

    These people get kicked out of one country, move to another and get kicked out again.

    These gypsies are not Myanmar problem. Let India and Bangledesh deal with them.

     

    It's very difficult to find out much about the Rohynga, but I'll bet there's a not insignificant amount of truth contained in these remarks. With all due respect to Mr. Margolis, his failure to identify any motive on the part of the Burmese security establishment, leaves me suspicious. Are they just a bunch of big meanies, then?

    Rape, however, should always be out-of-bounds.

    If this is the Kevin Okeefe from Russia Today, big props to you and the work you do.

    You are legendary and am glad to see you at Unz.

    Regarding the Rohynga, I was not too surprised to see that the British were behind a lot of these troubles.

    They encouraged mass immigration from India to help their standard divide and conquer strategy.

    I say let the UK take them in.

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  • What is this shit doing on Unz? Suu Kyi is right to kick them out. It will homogenize Myanmar and reduce ethnic tensions in the future. It’s the first time she’s done something right instead of pandering to western interests.

    Besides, the Rohingya have bounced between Myanmar and Bangladesh for ages. This is just another episode. The Turks and Saudis aren’t going to send their army halfway around the world to start a war with Myanmar. That’s idiotic.

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  • Some people might say that the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. Actually a lot of people might say that.

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  • The following is worth reading as background on the Rohingya situation.

    http://www.burmalibrary.org/docs14/Kei_Nemoto-Rohingya.pdf

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  • I thought everyone all the Unz.com writers were pro-Nationalism. Oh well.

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    If there was only Nationalism here, it'd be poorer - Nationalism isn't the only suppressed perspective (it's one of the most supressed, which is why there's more of it here, but not the only). And Ron, explaining his strategy, mentions the importance of alliance between people with substantial disagreements who share the same problem. And I'm happy to think that diversity of opinion (among those not seen in the mainstream) actually is approached here.
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  • How many more parasitic, violent, misogynistic, religious intolerant islamic nations do we need?

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  • @Issac
    Thank you sir. For too long we've only heard negative things about Muslims from our media. It is so refreshing to hear that this is an instance in which Muslims are being unfairly persecuted. A long and peaceful history of Islam in the Southeast of Asia rests upon the edifice of pure hearts like yours. One can only hope the arms of Muslims and non-Muslims alike open up to these wonderful people and accept them into their homes. Doing so would surely invite nothing but the blessings and rewards of a truly generous spirit.

    LOL!! GOOD ONE! I needed the laugh!

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  • President Recep Erdogan of Turkey is clearly out of patience with Burma’s thuggish government.

    ROTFL

    You mean the Erdo who supported ISIS in Syria? The Erdo who suspended rights in Turkey following the fishy coup? The Erdo who continues to wage war on the Kurds?

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    Maybe the Myanmar government should fund Kurdish independence movements in Turkey. Tit for Tat.
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  • Rohingya have lived for centuries in Burma/Myanmar. Some of their ancestors may have been brought as coolies or indentured laborers from neighboring East Bengal (today Bangladesh) by the British rulers of the region. Once again, the British Empire was behind yet another world problem.

    Diversity is the product of imperialism.

    It’s like the native Hawaiians will never regain control of homeland because white imperialists brought over all those yellow immigrants.

    It’s sad what’s happening in Burma, but I support the ethnic cleansing. These Muslim ‘gypsies’ need to return to South Asia where they came from.

    What about the sainted Aung San Suu Kyi? She, shamefully, has mutely watched the ethnic cleansing and atrocities. This so-called champion of human rights has not made a peep

    The maim human rights is the defense of nation and survival of civilization. Nationalism is human rights against imperialism of diversity.

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  • The degenerate and criminal Norwegian government should be proud of the Piss Nobel Prize.

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  • I’m trying to reconcile this article with others I’ve read recently.

    If the Rohingya have been there for so long, and there may have long been tensions, why is there suddenly so much more trouble now? Mr. Margolis’ article does not ask or explore that question, nor does he touch on the geopolitical aspects of Rakhine’s strategic location.

    These other articles suggest that it has to do with disrupting China’s Belt and Road initiative via Wahhabi extremism, the usual tool for the usual countries that have sponsored similar unrest for similar reasons in Syria, Afghanistan, etc.:

    “Why India should give seamless support to Aung San Suu Kyi”

    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2017/09/05/why-india-should-give-seamless-support-to-aung-san-suu-kyi/

    “The Rohingya Of Myanmar – Pawns In An Anglo-Chinese Proxy War Fought By Saudi Jihadists”

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/09/the-rohingya-of-myanmar-pawns-in-an-anglo-chinese-proxy-war-fought-by-saudi-jihadists.html

    On revocation of Nobel Peace Prizes, shouldn’t Obama’s be revoked first given the wars, destruction, and massive human suffering in Libya, Syria, Ukraine, etc. under his presidency?

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  • Thank you sir. For too long we’ve only heard negative things about Muslims from our media. It is so refreshing to hear that this is an instance in which Muslims are being unfairly persecuted. A long and peaceful history of Islam in the Southeast of Asia rests upon the edifice of pure hearts like yours. One can only hope the arms of Muslims and non-Muslims alike open up to these wonderful people and accept them into their homes. Doing so would surely invite nothing but the blessings and rewards of a truly generous spirit.

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    LOL!! GOOD ONE! I needed the laugh!
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  • I get that targeting people for explusion and violence is bad. But this article is one sided.

    The Rohynga are a nomadic people like the gypsies. They don’t know how to integrate into a modern society. They steal, rape, and kill others who are not like them.

    These people get kicked out of one country, move to another and get kicked out again.

    These gypsies are not Myanmar problem. Let India and Bangledesh deal with them.

    It’s very difficult to find out much about the Rohynga, but I’ll bet there’s a not insignificant amount of truth contained in these remarks. With all due respect to Mr. Margolis, his failure to identify any motive on the part of the Burmese security establishment, leaves me suspicious. Are they just a bunch of big meanies, then?

    Rape, however, should always be out-of-bounds.

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    If this is the Kevin Okeefe from Russia Today, big props to you and the work you do.

    You are legendary and am glad to see you at Unz.

    Regarding the Rohynga, I was not too surprised to see that the British were behind a lot of these troubles.

    They encouraged mass immigration from India to help their standard divide and conquer strategy.

    I say let the UK take them in.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I get that targeting people for explusion and violence is bad. But this article is one sided.

    The Rohynga are a nomadic people like the gypsies. They don’t know how to integrate into a modern society. They steal, rape, and kill others who are not like them.

    These people get kicked out of one country, move to another and get kicked out again.

    These gypsies are not Myanmar problem. Let India and Bangledesh deal with them.

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    • Replies: @Eagle Eye

    Burma is a hodgepodge of peoples and ethnicities. The largest, about 60%, are Buddhist Burmans, but there are many other important groups like Karen, Kachin, Chin, Mon and Shan. About two million Burmese are Muslim Rohingya from Arakan state. ...

    Burma wants an ethnically pure state, though its border regions are filled with rebellious Thai and ethnic Chinese minorities.
     
    Total non-sequitur. What ethnic purity? The article itself says that Burma is a tangled "hodgepodge" of peoples and ethnicities - only 60% are Burmans, so as much as 40% are non-Burmans such as Karen and Shan.

    Amidst all this "hodgepodge" of peoples and ethnicities, only one group seems to be raping and murdering the others, in accordance with the teachings of its Koran: yep, the Muslim Rohyngia (i.e. Bangladeshis).

    On the religious front, Burma has 6.2% Christians, yet we hear no reports of any difficulties between them and the majority Buddhists.
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  • Mr. Margolis,

    You say that you once risked prison to visit Aung San Suu Kyi in Rangoon. About “risking prison,” all I can think is: “MANY ARE CALLED, FEW ARE CHOSEN.”

    From the Wikipedia article, ‘Aung san’ (Suu Kyi’s father)

    [He was] the 5th Premier of the British Crown Colony of Burma from 1946 to 1947. Initially he was a communist and later a social democratic politician. He was known as a revolutionary, nationalist, and as the founder of the Tatmadaw, and is considered the Father of the Nation of modern-day Myanmar. He was the founder of the Communist Party of Burma.

    He was responsible for bringing about Burma’s independence from British rule, but was assassinated six months before independence. During World War Two, he initially collaborated with Japan following their invasion of Burma before swapping sides to the British. He is recognized as the leading architect of independence, and founder of the Union of Burma. Affectionately known as “Bogyoke” (Major General), Aung San is still widely admired by the Burmese people, and his name is still invoked in Burmese politics to this day.

    So Suu Kyi was born into a political family, and her father was a prominent political opportunist, whose “loyalty” sometimes went to the Japanese Empire and sometimes to the Communists but other times (as when the Japanese Empire was in decline or had been vanquished) went to the British Empire, especially when the British wanted to set up a postcolonial regime. So what did you expect of her, really? Anything other than political opportunism?

    Anyway, as for the Nobel, just think about this: Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973.

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    • Replies: @Calcutta kid
    It may not be entirely true that the Rohingya are entirely blameless for their situation.

    They do seem to have zillions of children. Perhaps as many as Filipinos, who have the highest birth rate in Asia and who are locked into the large family - little education - joblessness cycle of poverty.

    This is probably because of religious figures using their influence on Filipino presidents, senators and supreme court judges to limit or deny contraception. Filipinos may also have a ''baby'' culture.
    President Duterte has said, I think, he will change this and has no love for the Roman Church.

    I believe Myanmar officials have unsuccessfully attempted to have Rohingya slow down their reproductive rate. To all peoples with this problem I advise them to emulate the highly successful Singaporeans with a low reproductive rate and to invest their wealth into education.

    Of course this is no justification for persecution.

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  • When is genocide not really genocide? When the victims are small, impoverished brown people no wants or cares about – Burma’s Rohingya. Their plight has finally commanded some media attention because of the suffering of Rohingya boat people, 7,000 of whom continue to drift in the waters of the Andaman Sea without food, water or...
  • @Anthony
    For more about non-violent Buddhism, read the highly entertaining "The Bloody White Baron". It's about Mongolia, but it's also about Buddhism.

    Also note that before the 20th Century, being a Dalai Lama was a hazardous occupation - the 8th through 12th Dalai Lamas were murdered, most of them before coming of age.

    I don’t know whether Ungern really qualifies, as he was plenty violent even before becoming a Buddhist.

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  • For more about non-violent Buddhism, read the highly entertaining “The Bloody White Baron”. It’s about Mongolia, but it’s also about Buddhism.

    Also note that before the 20th Century, being a Dalai Lama was a hazardous occupation – the 8th through 12th Dalai Lamas were murdered, most of them before coming of age.

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    I don't know whether Ungern really qualifies, as he was plenty violent even before becoming a Buddhist.
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  • @anonymous
    I don't really buy that they are a peaceful community. No doubt there has been violence on both sides, but to portray the Rohingyas as innocent sounds like propaganda.

    At the end of the day these people were forced onto the native population, and come from somewhere else. So why can't their native countries take them back?

    By the way, this is the Unz community. No one gives a shit about the UN, international media, or human rights organizations. Most people here recognize these organizations to be full of shit.

    Can Indonesia throw the Chinese out? Chines were brought by Dutch. These Chinese sided with Dutch during the Indonesian independence movement. Chines control the levers of economic power . They don’t integrate . Chinese manage the bank and the media. Indoneisn have more cogent arguments to offer in support of the expulsion of the Chinese than does Burmese monks have . Chinese have been the true asset in protecting Suharto regime until its collapse
    Phillipine can also raise the same issue and expel the Chinese.

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  • KA [AKA "Buddha"] says:

    Tibet attacked and occupied China and expanded to Central Asia in 5-8 century AD. It persecuted other variants of Buddhism and imposed Buddhism on the native people.

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  • I seem to remember the lead up to the current wave of suicide bombings many nations are suffering got its modern start in Sri Lanka with peaceful (sic) Buddhists v Tamils. No es verdad?

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    wow Mary quite contrary, you come out all ugly. Do your research, and not at FOX News. The Rohingyas are a peaceful community in Burma, occupying a corner of the country where nothing comes easy, with no amenities, no help, nothing from the Burmese government. Described by international media and human rights organizations as one of the most persecuted minorities in the world, they were struggling to eke out a living until the rise of systematic violence against them by Burmese Buddhists. Someone asked about Malaysia. Malaysia has quietly taken in over 190,000 Rohingya refugees over decades, and now believe other SEAsian countries should also help. It will continue to give asylum but no longer at such numbers.

    I don’t really buy that they are a peaceful community. No doubt there has been violence on both sides, but to portray the Rohingyas as innocent sounds like propaganda.

    At the end of the day these people were forced onto the native population, and come from somewhere else. So why can’t their native countries take them back?

    By the way, this is the Unz community. No one gives a shit about the UN, international media, or human rights organizations. Most people here recognize these organizations to be full of shit.

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    Can Indonesia throw the Chinese out? Chines were brought by Dutch. These Chinese sided with Dutch during the Indonesian independence movement. Chines control the levers of economic power . They don't integrate . Chinese manage the bank and the media. Indoneisn have more cogent arguments to offer in support of the expulsion of the Chinese than does Burmese monks have . Chinese have been the true asset in protecting Suharto regime until its collapse
    Phillipine can also raise the same issue and expel the Chinese.
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  • @Anonymous
    wow Mary quite contrary, you come out all ugly. Do your research, and not at FOX News. The Rohingyas are a peaceful community in Burma, occupying a corner of the country where nothing comes easy, with no amenities, no help, nothing from the Burmese government. Described by international media and human rights organizations as one of the most persecuted minorities in the world, they were struggling to eke out a living until the rise of systematic violence against them by Burmese Buddhists. Someone asked about Malaysia. Malaysia has quietly taken in over 190,000 Rohingya refugees over decades, and now believe other SEAsian countries should also help. It will continue to give asylum but no longer at such numbers.

    Indonesia and Kazahakistan should take the remaining and evacuate the rest from Burmese monks visceral religious hatred.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    wow Mary quite contrary, you come out all ugly. Do your research, and not at FOX News. The Rohingyas are a peaceful community in Burma, occupying a corner of the country where nothing comes easy, with no amenities, no help, nothing from the Burmese government. Described by international media and human rights organizations as one of the most persecuted minorities in the world, they were struggling to eke out a living until the rise of systematic violence against them by Burmese Buddhists. Someone asked about Malaysia. Malaysia has quietly taken in over 190,000 Rohingya refugees over decades, and now believe other SEAsian countries should also help. It will continue to give asylum but no longer at such numbers.

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    Indonesia and Kazahakistan should take the remaining and evacuate the rest from Burmese monks visceral religious hatred.
    , @anonymous
    I don't really buy that they are a peaceful community. No doubt there has been violence on both sides, but to portray the Rohingyas as innocent sounds like propaganda.

    At the end of the day these people were forced onto the native population, and come from somewhere else. So why can't their native countries take them back?

    By the way, this is the Unz community. No one gives a shit about the UN, international media, or human rights organizations. Most people here recognize these organizations to be full of shit.
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  • @anonymous
    Wow, what an incredibly ignorant article.

    As stated in the article, these people are not native to the land and they did not immigrate there under the blessings of the native population. They were thrown into the country in typical British fashion to allow for divide and conquer. Maybe the British should take them in.

    I for one do not like hearing all this talk about what an embarrassment this is for Asia. What about all the Syrian, Iraqi, and Afghan refugees that were created by the Wests wars for oil? What makes these peoples cause less of a story? It is not one of circumstance at there have been many rapes and deaths amongst these people. It is just conveniently overlooking cause and effect for the west. How many of these refugees were taken in by America?

    Mr Margolis is CIA gone faux left wing. But at least this article shows how quickly one can go out of favor when one is a Western puppet like Aung San Suu Kyi. It took the West years to “triple-Saint” the woman, but one mis-step and she is out of favor. Life in the U.S. puppet land,

    This story reminds me of the British GCHQ wrapping itself up in the LGBT rainbow colors. What is next? NSA concerned about little African orphans or CIA against clubbing of seals in Russia?

    There is nothing humane that these organizations will not warp, and Margolis for them.

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  • @jimmyriddle
    "the British Empire created a similar ethnic problem by bringing large numbers of Tamils from southern India to Sri Lanka"

    Wrong. The plantation Tamils in Central Sri Lanka were not involved in the civil war. That war was between the Sinhala and the Tamils of North and East Sri Lanka who have been on the island for at least 2200 years and probably far longer.

    This is correct. When Chinese Admiral Zheng Ho led the treasure fleet to Ceylon during the Ming Dynasty he found the Sinahalese and Tamil at war already. That was in the Fifteenth Century!! Long before whitey came on the scene. Chinese marines went ashore to fight and chastise the Tamil in the only military action of the Chinese outside of their traditional territory in many centuries!!

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  • @Mary
    The Rohingya have been raping & murdering Buddhists, they are muslims, doing what their genocidal koran tells them to do, and eventually the Buddhists had had enough. No sane person wants the Rohingya or any more muslim vermin here, send them to where they will fit in, in another muslim cesspool.

    May be one day Australia ,Canada,US and NZ will decide to throw out all SE Asians . They came as cheap labor and as part of diversity under the neoliberal program. They were encouraged to come by elite . The neoliberal elite and rootless cosmopolitan and the corporate cabal have this program of encouraging immigrant for their own advantages . They want friction,divisions,and mistrust within the country so that they can keep hiding their mistakes,brutalities,oppression,exploitation and harmful activities to society.
    New generation of majority white will say enough and get them out.

    How does that sound?

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  • @jimmyriddle
    "the British Empire created a similar ethnic problem by bringing large numbers of Tamils from southern India to Sri Lanka"

    Wrong. The plantation Tamils in Central Sri Lanka were not involved in the civil war. That war was between the Sinhala and the Tamils of North and East Sri Lanka who have been on the island for at least 2200 years and probably far longer.

    Thank you for the information.

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  • @Mary
    The Rohingya have been raping & murdering Buddhists, they are muslims, doing what their genocidal koran tells them to do, and eventually the Buddhists had had enough. No sane person wants the Rohingya or any more muslim vermin here, send them to where they will fit in, in another muslim cesspool.

    The Buddhist has been killing Tamil Christian in Sri Lanka. They are killing indigenous Sri Lankine Muslim. The Burmese Buddhist has been killing Karen non-Buddhist.
    Buddhist women usually aren’t slept with by Muslim. It is done by Buddhist monks with begging bowl .

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  • Mary says:

    The Rohingya have been raping & murdering Buddhists, they are muslims, doing what their genocidal koran tells them to do, and eventually the Buddhists had had enough. No sane person wants the Rohingya or any more muslim vermin here, send them to where they will fit in, in another muslim cesspool.

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    The Buddhist has been killing Tamil Christian in Sri Lanka. They are killing indigenous Sri Lankine Muslim. The Burmese Buddhist has been killing Karen non-Buddhist.
    Buddhist women usually aren't slept with by Muslim. It is done by Buddhist monks with begging bowl .
    , @Buddha
    May be one day Australia ,Canada,US and NZ will decide to throw out all SE Asians . They came as cheap labor and as part of diversity under the neoliberal program. They were encouraged to come by elite . The neoliberal elite and rootless cosmopolitan and the corporate cabal have this program of encouraging immigrant for their own advantages . They want friction,divisions,and mistrust within the country so that they can keep hiding their mistakes,brutalities,oppression,exploitation and harmful activities to society.
    New generation of majority white will say enough and get them out.

    How does that sound?
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  • Aung San Suu Kyi QC is keeping mum – to be expected from a darling of the liberal media.

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  • “the British Empire created a similar ethnic problem by bringing large numbers of Tamils from southern India to Sri Lanka”

    Wrong. The plantation Tamils in Central Sri Lanka were not involved in the civil war. That war was between the Sinhala and the Tamils of North and East Sri Lanka who have been on the island for at least 2200 years and probably far longer.

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    Thank you for the information.
    , @Adar.
    This is correct. When Chinese Admiral Zheng Ho led the treasure fleet to Ceylon during the Ming Dynasty he found the Sinahalese and Tamil at war already. That was in the Fifteenth Century!! Long before whitey came on the scene. Chinese marines went ashore to fight and chastise the Tamil in the only military action of the Chinese outside of their traditional territory in many centuries!!
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  • Wouldn’t it be best for the Rohingya to rejoin their compatriots in Bangladesh? That would undo the wrong perpetrated by the British imperialists.

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  • Rohiyas belong to bangladesh. Baghladeshis are ethnically cleaning off Mongoloid looking Buddhists from the Chitagong Hill tracts for decades and nobody raises any issue. The truth is Brown Caucasoid-Australoid looking Muslim South Asians are expanding into Mongoloid-Australoid Buddhist South East Asian territory and they plan to colonize it. Just like how White Caucasians colonized Mongoloid North America or how taller Bantus Negroids colonized Pygmy lands or like how Mongoloid-Australoid Indonesians are colonizing Pure Australoid Papuan Irian Jaya today. It is part of a bigger racial and cultural clash.
    Read this blog and enlighten yourselves

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2012/06/rioting-bengali-muslims-killing.html

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2012/07/armed-bengali-intrusion-from-bangladesh.html

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2012/09/this-post-is-direct-from-news.html

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2012/10/buddhist-cleansing-in-bangladesh.html

    http://hlaoo1980.blogspot.in/2013/11/buddhist-muslim-clashes-in-arakans-pauk.html

    Mr Margolis you are the typical Westerner full of good intentions who always ends up supporting the wrong side due to lack of in-depth knowledge of an issue in a place very different from the west. The typical Bangladeshi is an anti-White racist while most Burmese are friendly towards Whites. BTW I am a Bengali Hindu with many South East Asian friends. Those Rohiya are from the same ethnicity as me. I know what I am talking about.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Australia, which is not overly fond of non-whites, say no.”

    Ridiculous statement. Australia is at the vanguard of the efforts by European nations to destroy their own cultural identity. The fact that the current government has a policy of refusing asylum to undocumented boat arrivals says nothing about the MASSIVE legal nonwhite immigration that Australia is undergoing. A walk around the downtown of any Australia city could quite easily lead you to believe that white Australians were in the minority.

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  • @Bill Jones
    "When is genocide not really genocide? When the victims are small, impoverished brown people no wants or cares about – Burma’s Rohingya"


    The 2,300,000 plus Iraqi's slaughtered in the 20 odd year long American genocide in their country don't seem to count either?

    It lacks the evidence of US intent to exterminate Iraqis [as opposed to the laziness and stupidity of top-level US planning for the postwar environment in 2003], any actual prospect of Iraqis being exterminated by the past 12 years of war at the scale it was being fought, and most importantly any evidence that the US was the direct cause of most of the deaths.

    You can validly argue that the US set it all in motion, but when most of the dead are Shia on Sunni or vice-versa, you have to grant some kind of agency to the local peoples. They have as much right as any other peoples to settle their disputes by these methods.

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  • Why scare quotes for ‘democratic leader,’ Aung San Suu Kyi? What could be more democratic than responding to the will of the Burmese people to smash the defenseless Rohingyas? I could understand if the scare quotes were around ‘person with a sense of human decency’ Aung San Suu Kyi, something like that.

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  • “When is genocide not really genocide? When the victims are small, impoverished brown people no wants or cares about – Burma’s Rohingya”

    The 2,300,000 plus Iraqi’s slaughtered in the 20 odd year long American genocide in their country don’t seem to count either?

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    It lacks the evidence of US intent to exterminate Iraqis [as opposed to the laziness and stupidity of top-level US planning for the postwar environment in 2003], any actual prospect of Iraqis being exterminated by the past 12 years of war at the scale it was being fought, and most importantly any evidence that the US was the direct cause of most of the deaths.

    You can validly argue that the US set it all in motion, but when most of the dead are Shia on Sunni or vice-versa, you have to grant some kind of agency to the local peoples. They have as much right as any other peoples to settle their disputes by these methods.
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  • Isn’t Myanmar already under sanctions and isolation? What more is to be done, exactly?

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  • Not so hasty with the human rights demands. First things first. After! western companies have secured the resource exploitation rights, then we can set about with the lip service to our ‘values.’ You wouldn’t want China or Russia to take advantage of the hostility any premature meddling might create, would you?

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  • “Mass graves of Rohingya are being discovered in Thailand”

    I find it hard to believe that the Thais are currently engaged in genocide.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, what an incredibly ignorant article.

    As stated in the article, these people are not native to the land and they did not immigrate there under the blessings of the native population. They were thrown into the country in typical British fashion to allow for divide and conquer. Maybe the British should take them in.

    I for one do not like hearing all this talk about what an embarrassment this is for Asia. What about all the Syrian, Iraqi, and Afghan refugees that were created by the Wests wars for oil? What makes these peoples cause less of a story? It is not one of circumstance at there have been many rapes and deaths amongst these people. It is just conveniently overlooking cause and effect for the west. How many of these refugees were taken in by America?

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    Mr Margolis is CIA gone faux left wing. But at least this article shows how quickly one can go out of favor when one is a Western puppet like Aung San Suu Kyi. It took the West years to "triple-Saint" the woman, but one mis-step and she is out of favor. Life in the U.S. puppet land,

    This story reminds me of the British GCHQ wrapping itself up in the LGBT rainbow colors. What is next? NSA concerned about little African orphans or CIA against clubbing of seals in Russia?

    There is nothing humane that these organizations will not warp, and Margolis for them.
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  • @Auntie Analogue

    "I don’t want the US to be the world’s policeman; I want it to be the world’s rescuer, its SOS force, its liberator."
     
    Rarely have I read so concise a sentence of such Imperial-megalomaniacal self-contradiction.

    Let's have the United States govern itself, as no American voted for the president, the Congress, or the judiciary to rescue the world, to serve as an "SOS force" for the world, or to liberate the world - and, most crucially, in the Constitution you will find no such mandates .

    At the same time, let's leave other countries to conduct their own internal affairs, and let us stop the U.S. Government from waging Perpetual War and from imposing upon us Americans Perpetual Mass Third World Immigration.

    Wow, I missed that. I also missed the equally deranged “just as it rescued Bosnia and Kosovo.”

    Scott Horton needs to challenge these statements the next time he interviews Margolis.

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  • “I don’t want the US to be the world’s policeman; I want it to be the world’s rescuer, its SOS force, its liberator.”

    Rarely have I read so concise a sentence of such Imperial-megalomaniacal self-contradiction.

    Let’s have the United States govern itself, as no American voted for the president, the Congress, or the judiciary to rescue the world, to serve as an “SOS force” for the world, or to liberate the world – and, most crucially, in the Constitution you will find no such mandates .

    At the same time, let’s leave other countries to conduct their own internal affairs, and let us stop the U.S. Government from waging Perpetual War and from imposing upon us Americans Perpetual Mass Third World Immigration.

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    Wow, I missed that. I also missed the equally deranged "just as it rescued Bosnia and Kosovo."

    Scott Horton needs to challenge these statements the next time he interviews Margolis.
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  • Thailand wants no Rohyingas; Indonesia says only a few thousand on a temporary basis. Australia, which is not overly fond of non-whites, say no. Bangladesh can’t even feed its own wretched people. So the poor Rohyingas are a persecuted people without a country, adrift on a sea of sorrows.

    Why leave out Malaysia? It’s a rich country and it’s Muslim-majority. They should be the ones to rescue their Muslim brethren.

    Why is it the responsibility of Australia or the US? Both nations already have serious problems with Muslim immigrants.

    Maybe they should go to Israel?

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  • Aung San Suu Kyi wouldn’t be triple-sainted had she not joined the anti-Muslim crusades.

    Also, the Dalai Lama is not a real Buddhist. A real Buddhist renounces idolatry, ceremony, and birthrights.

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