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    At least since the time of Marcus Tullius Cicero in the late Roman Republic everyone has certainly understood that politicians lie all the time. To be sure, President Donald Trump has been exceptional in that he has followed through on some of the promises he made in his campaign, insisting periodically that he has to...
  • @Wizard of Oz
    "Prevaricate"? Do you know what it means? (You are probably not making the same mistake as a pretentious member of a board on which my father served who used it as if it meant "procrastinate", confirming my father's reservations about him, but I do think you would have trouble justifying its use).

    In fact I was just being courteously roundabout to someone whom I hoped might be capable of making something of the potentially interesting conversational material. Sadly I now see that someone, Eagle Eye, poorly educated and rather dim, has aborted any idea of that so far as he is concerned.

    Prevaricate
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    verb (used without object), prevaricated, prevaricating.
    1. to speak falsely or misleadingly; deliberately misstate or create an incorrect impression; lie.

    Does Jeepers also have an opinion on what the meaning of this is?

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  • @Randal
    Was that you posting as "Anon" then, Wizard? If so I'm rather disappointed as I'd expect better from you, frankly.

    I have briefly pointed to, argued for, the non negligible possibilities which give the lie to the overconfident assertions of Colonel Blimps and other blow hards. Surprisingly it has been necessary to point out to a sane enough commenter that the (asserted) fact that Putin could have ensured death from a heart attack with no possibility of certain detection doesn’t negate the possibility (whatever low probability one assigns in almost total ignorance) that he didn’t want it to be undetectable.
     
    One can always make this kind of argument that a particular possibility cannot be ignored, however silly on its face, because you can't prove it is absolutely zero. It's rather a waste of time, imo.

    Why do you feel a need to defend the establishment narrative on this supposed incident? Frankly, having looked into it pretty closely, I maintain the position that there are no credible arguments in support of it, and only ignorance can excuse defending it.

    Why do you feel a need to defend the establishment narrative on this supposed incident? Frankly, having looked into it pretty closely, I maintain the position that there are no credible arguments in support of it, and only ignorance can excuse defending it.

    Good point. See summary response above.

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  • Gizzard’s climb-down:

    I could get one of our press secretaries to run up a draft if that suits you

    Gizzard is now conceding what Vojkan and I have been saying all along – the alleged personal statement could not be Yulia’s own words. This raises the question whether she is still alive.

    Vojkan’s original observation:

    Don’t know why but I’m having a hard time believing the formulation is just hers. As if the Brits wanted that no one believed them.

    Gizzard’s earlier “argument”:

    you could hardly say “change my mind” is an imagination-challenging idiom like, say, “pay the piper” or that the “I know how to contact them” has the flavour of idiom like “I know where you live” in some contexts.

    Vojkan’s knowledgeable refutation:

    There is no way a native Russian speaker would have concocted that statement and there is no way that could be a literal translation of a statement Yulia Skripal made without “assistance”. It is just too pretentious English to be true.

    Randal’s question to Gizzard:

    Why do you feel a need to defend the establishment narrative on this supposed incident? Frankly, having looked into it pretty closely, I maintain the position that there are no credible arguments in support of it, and only ignorance can excuse defending it.

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  • @Anon

    Why shouldn’t she have sat down to draft something with great precision as if for a legal document?
     
    Because she's supposedly in such dire straits that she is quite inaccessible otherwise. And the statement does not seem all that precise anyway, and approaches absurdity by claiming "no one speaks for me". Given prior history and the cartoonish conduct of the investigation so far it seems not unlikely that her input into the document was minimal.

    Yes, but my point was that Eagle Eye is so careless or unskilled that his arguments are too sloppy to waste time on. Indeed, though not because she is too ill to do it, it is unlikely that Yulia Skripal sat down to make a careful draft.

    I have had experience in various ways of hundreds+ media releases and more and less formal statements of position so could give at least a dozen scenarios for the preparation of her statement.

    One would be “It might be a good time for you to make a statement now you are on the mend and if you are happy with that idea I could get one of our press secretaries to run up a draft if that suits you”. “A draft?” “Oh, yes, it will/would be your statement so of course he’ll run it by you for your approval”.

    Then ” I have assumed from what you told X that you don’t want the embassy to get in touch but you might like to check that I haven’t made you sound too hostile….”. Etc. etc.

    None of that means that I withdraw my comment that Craig Murray, by contrast to Eagle Eye, makes a credible argument. But of course it wasn’t just Yulia Skripal’s original verbatim formulation unedited! So what?

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  • @Eagle Eye

    There doesn’t have to be a “common colloquial” way of saying ["If I change my mind ..."] in Russian.
     
    Actually, there would need to be a way of saying this in normal Russian for the statement - released by the Metropolitan Police - to be a true translation of what Yulia herself said.

    This proves that Yulia could not have said what the Met claims she said. If follows that the statement could not have come from her. Yulia is most likely dead, murdered by British security services.

    Nor could she have made the statement in English - she spoke decent English, but not high-level bureaucratese, as an actual British bureaucrat (ex-ambassador) confirms:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/yulia-skripal-is-plainly-under-duress/comment-page-8/#comments

    Leave it to Craig Murray. He makes sense and a good argument. You don’t. Indeed an index of your problems is that you call him an “actual bureaucrat” which he is not. You yourself pointed out that he was a *former* ambassador, i.e. not an “actual” one.

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    @Wizard of Oz
    One last reply.... There doesn't have to be a "common colloquial" way of saying it in Russian. Why shouldn't she have sat down to draft something with great precision as if for a legal document? Unlike people idly tossing their lightweight disordered thoughts around the internet she is likely to have thought that what she said mattered.

    Why shouldn’t she have sat down to draft something with great precision as if for a legal document?

    Because she’s supposedly in such dire straits that she is quite inaccessible otherwise. And the statement does not seem all that precise anyway, and approaches absurdity by claiming “no one speaks for me”. Given prior history and the cartoonish conduct of the investigation so far it seems not unlikely that her input into the document was minimal.

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    Yes, but my point was that Eagle Eye is so careless or unskilled that his arguments are too sloppy to waste time on. Indeed, though not because she is too ill to do it, it is unlikely that Yulia Skripal sat down to make a careful draft.

    I have had experience in various ways of hundreds+ media releases and more and less formal statements of position so could give at least a dozen scenarios for the preparation of her statement.

    One would be "It might be a good time for you to make a statement now you are on the mend and if you are happy with that idea I could get one of our press secretaries to run up a draft if that suits you". "A draft?" "Oh, yes, it will/would be your statement so of course he'll run it by you for your approval".

    Then " I have assumed from what you told X that you don't want the embassy to get in touch but you might like to check that I haven't made you sound too hostile....". Etc. etc.

    None of that means that I withdraw my comment that Craig Murray, by contrast to Eagle Eye, makes a credible argument. But of course it wasn't just Yulia Skripal's original verbatim formulation unedited! So what?

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    One last reply.... There doesn't have to be a "common colloquial" way of saying it in Russian. Why shouldn't she have sat down to draft something with great precision as if for a legal document? Unlike people idly tossing their lightweight disordered thoughts around the internet she is likely to have thought that what she said mattered.

    There doesn’t have to be a “common colloquial” way of saying ["If I change my mind ..."] in Russian.

    Actually, there would need to be a way of saying this in normal Russian for the statement – released by the Metropolitan Police – to be a true translation of what Yulia herself said.

    This proves that Yulia could not have said what the Met claims she said. If follows that the statement could not have come from her. Yulia is most likely dead, murdered by British security services.

    Nor could she have made the statement in English – she spoke decent English, but not high-level bureaucratese, as an actual British bureaucrat (ex-ambassador) confirms:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/yulia-skripal-is-plainly-under-duress/comment-page-8/#comments

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    Leave it to Craig Murray. He makes sense and a good argument. You don't. Indeed an index of your problems is that you call him an "actual bureaucrat" which he is not. You yourself pointed out that he was a *former* ambassador, i.e. not an "actual" one.
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  • @quasi_verbatim
    The Skripals are to be disappeared. Their home, the pub and the restaurant are to be demolished. This is a Tarantino cleanup. Move on.

    The Skripals are to be disappeared.

    Most likely, they are ALREADY DEAD.

    Reported plans to demolish entirely (1) Sergei Skripal’s residence; (2) the restaurant where they at; and (3) a pub where Sergei and Yulia happened to stop also show that we are looking at a major theatrical production by the UK government, and seem inconsistent with the supposition that Sergei Skripal’ is still alive.

    https://112.international/politics/skripal-case-ex-gru-agents-residence-pub-and-restaurant-to-be-demolished-27400.html

    Similarly, for linguistic reasons, Yulia Skripal’ COULD NOT have said what she is supposed to have said in either Russian (which simply does not use the expressions in her statement) or in English (she speaks good English but not British bureaucratese). Her alleged statement was clearly written by British bureaucrats.

    Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to an ex-Soviet republic (Uzbekistan) also notes that the language is simply inconsistent with what purports to be a statement by Yulia:

    To put it plainly, as someone who has much experience of it, the English of the statement is precisely the English of an official in the UK security services and precisely not the English of somebody like Yulia Skripal or of a natural translation from Russian.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/yulia-skripal-is-plainly-under-duress/comment-page-8/#comments

    The Russian embassy to the UK notes an interesting contradiction in the statement attributed to Yulia:

    Particularly amazing is the phrase “no one speaks for me” appearing in a statement which, instead of being read on camera by Yulia herself, is published at Scotland Yard [sic] website.

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/new-developments-in-the-skripal-drama-police-statement-opcw-report-release.html#more (emphasis added)

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    Seriously Whizzy, if typed words could be converted to hot air you'd go down in history as a great power source all on your own. I wonder why it is though, that you always go to great lengths to prevaricate, to muddle, to excuse etc. Is it genetic? Do you receive payment? A source of amusement to you? Please, do tell?

    “Prevaricate”? Do you know what it means? (You are probably not making the same mistake as a pretentious member of a board on which my father served who used it as if it meant “procrastinate”, confirming my father’s reservations about him, but I do think you would have trouble justifying its use).

    In fact I was just being courteously roundabout to someone whom I hoped might be capable of making something of the potentially interesting conversational material. Sadly I now see that someone, Eagle Eye, poorly educated and rather dim, has aborted any idea of that so far as he is concerned.

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    Prevaricate
    [pri-var-i-keyt]
    Spell Syllables
    Synonyms Examples Word Origin
    See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
    verb (used without object), prevaricated, prevaricating.
    1. to speak falsely or misleadingly; deliberately misstate or create an incorrect impression; lie.

    Does Jeepers also have an opinion on what the meaning of this is?
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  • @Eagle Eye

    what about stopping your absurd trolling.
     
    Ah, back to ad hominem, is it?

    My challenge was simple:


    So how do you say “change my mind” colloquially in Russian or in ANY continental European language?
     
    My thesis - since confirmed by VOJKAN - is that there is NO common, colloquial way to say "[I] change my mind" in Russian, nor in most continental European languages.

    As a matter of basic logic - which you claim to respect - ONE EXAMPLE IN ANY LANGUAGE suffices to prove this thesis wrong. Bonus points if you can give us a colloquial rendering in everyday Russian.

    One last reply…. There doesn’t have to be a “common colloquial” way of saying it in Russian. Why shouldn’t she have sat down to draft something with great precision as if for a legal document? Unlike people idly tossing their lightweight disordered thoughts around the internet she is likely to have thought that what she said mattered.

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    There doesn’t have to be a “common colloquial” way of saying ["If I change my mind ..."] in Russian.
     
    Actually, there would need to be a way of saying this in normal Russian for the statement - released by the Metropolitan Police - to be a true translation of what Yulia herself said.

    This proves that Yulia could not have said what the Met claims she said. If follows that the statement could not have come from her. Yulia is most likely dead, murdered by British security services.

    Nor could she have made the statement in English - she spoke decent English, but not high-level bureaucratese, as an actual British bureaucrat (ex-ambassador) confirms:

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/04/yulia-skripal-is-plainly-under-duress/comment-page-8/#comments

    , @Anon

    Why shouldn’t she have sat down to draft something with great precision as if for a legal document?
     
    Because she's supposedly in such dire straits that she is quite inaccessible otherwise. And the statement does not seem all that precise anyway, and approaches absurdity by claiming "no one speaks for me". Given prior history and the cartoonish conduct of the investigation so far it seems not unlikely that her input into the document was minimal.
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  • @Eagle Eye

    No doubt Yulia Skripal had assistance in finalising her media release. So does every professional politician on occasions both important and routine.
     
    Didn't know that the late Yulia Skripal' was a "professional politician."

    Was Ms. Skripal' a member of the Duma? Where was her district? Where is her homepage?


    The Great Tweeter is often a remarkable exception.
     
    Have you really not noticed that professional PR work product invariably includes intentional "errors" to make messages seem more "folksy"?

    If your intelligence level is really not up to seeing that I was in no way implying that Yilia Skripal was a professional politician it is fruitless to engage with you. The alternative seems to be that you are a vexatious, in which case I should be equally reluctant to waste my time.

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    I really cannot say as I haven't lived there in quite some time but I don't think either term is in common usage and I've certainly never been called either. I've mostly been called a prick, but I just assumed that it was a form of flattery.

    The last time I heard the words used were by an old Harvard man in Boston qute a long time ago when he referred to Prince Philip as a cad and a bounder (at least I think it was Prince Philip in reference in some way to the fact that Prince Edward had just turned up in Boston to receive an award).

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    But..... what about stopping your absurd trolling. If you really know anything of languages other than English snd maybe something of formal logic kindly discuss the translation problem to show that there is a problem with even one language in making such a translation.

    what about stopping your absurd trolling.

    Ah, back to ad hominem, is it?

    My challenge was simple:

    So how do you say “change my mind” colloquially in Russian or in ANY continental European language?

    My thesis – since confirmed by VOJKAN – is that there is NO common, colloquial way to say “[I] change my mind” in Russian, nor in most continental European languages.

    As a matter of basic logic – which you claim to respect – ONE EXAMPLE IN ANY LANGUAGE suffices to prove this thesis wrong. Bonus points if you can give us a colloquial rendering in everyday Russian.

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    One last reply.... There doesn't have to be a "common colloquial" way of saying it in Russian. Why shouldn't she have sat down to draft something with great precision as if for a legal document? Unlike people idly tossing their lightweight disordered thoughts around the internet she is likely to have thought that what she said mattered.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    No doubt Yulia Skripal had assistance in finalising her media release. So does every professional politician on occsions both important and routine. The Great Tweeter is often a remarkable exception.

    You are giving a version of the intuitively satisfying Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis which remains, after more than 80 years, a hypothesis abput which perhaps linguists like you may have something useful to say. However it, and your culture-language point, don't really go to the question whether the English words used to represent Yulia Skripal's thoughts actually do so fairly and accurately. It is not a general question relating to Russian culture so much as a question whether there is any problem in thinking an educated Russian might acknowledge that she could (theoretically) change her mind or say in a civil manner that she would be able to take the initiative in making contact if she did. I don't think anything you say argues against that.

    You have prompted me to recall the name of a book I found instructive and entertaining 20 years ago and which you might enjoy. It is Polish Australian academic Anna Wirzbicka's "Understanding Cultures Through Their Key Words: English, Russian, German, Polish, Japanese". I recall little detail except the presumed enjoyment of a Pole who can point to the Russian proliferation of words for fool, dumb, idiot and so on. About her see

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Wierzbicka?wprov=sfla1

    Seriously Whizzy, if typed words could be converted to hot air you’d go down in history as a great power source all on your own. I wonder why it is though, that you always go to great lengths to prevaricate, to muddle, to excuse etc. Is it genetic? Do you receive payment? A source of amusement to you? Please, do tell?

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    "Prevaricate"? Do you know what it means? (You are probably not making the same mistake as a pretentious member of a board on which my father served who used it as if it meant "procrastinate", confirming my father's reservations about him, but I do think you would have trouble justifying its use).

    In fact I was just being courteously roundabout to someone whom I hoped might be capable of making something of the potentially interesting conversational material. Sadly I now see that someone, Eagle Eye, poorly educated and rather dim, has aborted any idea of that so far as he is concerned.

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  • But what is this trolling nonsense you are persisting with by referring to the “late Ms Skripal’ ”?

    Ms. Skripal’ was found unconscious in a public park 45 days ago, on March 4, 2018, and was apparently initially hospitalized in or near Salisbury, UK. She has not been seen in public since then. Neither Yulia’s cousin Viktoria nor any other independent individual has seen her since, nor have there been any media interviews with the key person of a (supposedly) major international drama.

    Think of how many copies the red-top “Sun” could sell on the strength of “Yulia – EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW!” Months of derivative reporting could follow. (“We spoke to Yulia at an exclusive foreign hideaway arranged by the Sun …” “Has Yulia found happiness in hiding?”) No such reports have appeared.

    Even granting that the UK claims to be worried about the risk of murder by Russian agents, a more inquisitive media could easily have worked out a mutually acceptable solution to ensure that an outsider meets with Ms. Skripal’ and confirms she is still alive and kicking, without giving away details of her regular whereabouts. Of course, the UK’s establishment media has been consistently uninquisitive throughout this affair. It is almost as if they prefer to “move on.”

    When a ship sinks and and the bodies of some of the passengers cannot be found within a few days, one generally assumes that the missing individuals must have perished in the disaster.

    At what stage do we discard the polite fiction that Ms. Skripal’ is still alive?

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  • @Eagle Eye

    you could hardly say “change my mind” is an imagination-challenging idiom

     

    Interesting. So how do you say "change my mind" colloquially in Russian or in ANY continental European language?

    For that matter, how do you say "mind" (in this precise shade of meaning) in French, Russian, Finnish, German, Catalan or any other European tongue of your choice?

    And what about "change"? Easy, right? Or is it?

    But….. what about stopping your absurd trolling. If you really know anything of languages other than English snd maybe something of formal logic kindly discuss the translation problem to show that there is a problem with even one language in making such a translation.

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    what about stopping your absurd trolling.
     
    Ah, back to ad hominem, is it?

    My challenge was simple:


    So how do you say “change my mind” colloquially in Russian or in ANY continental European language?
     
    My thesis - since confirmed by VOJKAN - is that there is NO common, colloquial way to say "[I] change my mind" in Russian, nor in most continental European languages.

    As a matter of basic logic - which you claim to respect - ONE EXAMPLE IN ANY LANGUAGE suffices to prove this thesis wrong. Bonus points if you can give us a colloquial rendering in everyday Russian.

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  • @Eagle Eye
    Which of the following is your position with regard to the statement

    if I change my mind I know how to contact them

     

    attributed to Yulia Skripal':

    (1) The purported statement was made in these precise words by Ms. Skripal' in English.

    (2) The quoted words are a true, direct and correct translation of a statement made by Ms. Skripal'.

    (3) The quoted words were concocted by British "intelligence" services in English and attributed to the late Ms. Skripal'.

    None of them precisely but 2. is close if you refer to translating the substance faitfully and accurately. But what is this trolling nonsense you are persisting with by referring to the “late Ms Skripal”? But also….

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    No doubt Yulia Skripal had assistance in finalising her media release. So does every professional politician on occsions both important and routine. The Great Tweeter is often a remarkable exception.

    You are giving a version of the intuitively satisfying Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis which remains, after more than 80 years, a hypothesis abput which perhaps linguists like you may have something useful to say. However it, and your culture-language point, don't really go to the question whether the English words used to represent Yulia Skripal's thoughts actually do so fairly and accurately. It is not a general question relating to Russian culture so much as a question whether there is any problem in thinking an educated Russian might acknowledge that she could (theoretically) change her mind or say in a civil manner that she would be able to take the initiative in making contact if she did. I don't think anything you say argues against that.

    You have prompted me to recall the name of a book I found instructive and entertaining 20 years ago and which you might enjoy. It is Polish Australian academic Anna Wirzbicka's "Understanding Cultures Through Their Key Words: English, Russian, German, Polish, Japanese". I recall little detail except the presumed enjoyment of a Pole who can point to the Russian proliferation of words for fool, dumb, idiot and so on. About her see

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Wierzbicka?wprov=sfla1

    No doubt Yulia Skripal had assistance in finalising her media release. So does every professional politician on occasions both important and routine.

    Didn’t know that the late Yulia Skripal’ was a “professional politician.”

    Was Ms. Skripal’ a member of the Duma? Where was her district? Where is her homepage?

    The Great Tweeter is often a remarkable exception.

    Have you really not noticed that professional PR work product invariably includes intentional “errors” to make messages seem more “folksy”?

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    If your intelligence level is really not up to seeing that I was in no way implying that Yilia Skripal was a professional politician it is fruitless to engage with you. The alternative seems to be that you are a vexatious, in which case I should be equally reluctant to waste my time.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Sounds like a pretence of learned argument but actual BS. To start with you make a point about translating "colloquial" English into other languages (unspecified apart from Russian) from which one has to make the unsupported leap to a problem of translating *from" Russian to English. Anyway utter crap because it is hard to conceive of a language so primitive that it can't readily express a contingent or conditional premise about changing one's mind/preference/opinion/percept-ion and the corollary of that fully spelled out, or truncated because so clear in meaning. What cave man could not convey to his brother "If my women produce more mouths to feed before winter and I decide to keep them this time I know who I'll be asking to get off his bum and hunt with me"?

    Perhaps you are indeed a linguist who can enlarge on the problems with Russian and English beyond that example (nothing to do with colloquial speech btw) that I presume you know derived from absence of the definite article in Russian, to wit "[the] occupied territories"; to which one might add the tendentious Russia favouring "The Ukraine" when of course it is only Ukraine in Russian.

    Perhaps your problem incldes your confusing "colloquial" with "idiomatic". *If it were* a problem of translating English to Russian, which it isn't, you could hardly say "change my mnd" is an imagination-challenging idiom like, say, "pay the piper" or that the "I know how to contact them" has the flavour of idiom like "I know where you live" in some contexts.

    So, you add no reason to add to anyone's suspicions of what the British may be up to.

    you could hardly say “change my mind” is an imagination-challenging idiom

    Interesting. So how do you say “change my mind” colloquially in Russian or in ANY continental European language?

    For that matter, how do you say “mind” (in this precise shade of meaning) in French, Russian, Finnish, German, Catalan or any other European tongue of your choice?

    And what about “change”? Easy, right? Or is it?

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    But..... what about stopping your absurd trolling. If you really know anything of languages other than English snd maybe something of formal logic kindly discuss the translation problem to show that there is a problem with even one language in making such a translation.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Sounds like a pretence of learned argument but actual BS. To start with you make a point about translating "colloquial" English into other languages (unspecified apart from Russian) from which one has to make the unsupported leap to a problem of translating *from" Russian to English. Anyway utter crap because it is hard to conceive of a language so primitive that it can't readily express a contingent or conditional premise about changing one's mind/preference/opinion/percept-ion and the corollary of that fully spelled out, or truncated because so clear in meaning. What cave man could not convey to his brother "If my women produce more mouths to feed before winter and I decide to keep them this time I know who I'll be asking to get off his bum and hunt with me"?

    Perhaps you are indeed a linguist who can enlarge on the problems with Russian and English beyond that example (nothing to do with colloquial speech btw) that I presume you know derived from absence of the definite article in Russian, to wit "[the] occupied territories"; to which one might add the tendentious Russia favouring "The Ukraine" when of course it is only Ukraine in Russian.

    Perhaps your problem incldes your confusing "colloquial" with "idiomatic". *If it were* a problem of translating English to Russian, which it isn't, you could hardly say "change my mnd" is an imagination-challenging idiom like, say, "pay the piper" or that the "I know how to contact them" has the flavour of idiom like "I know where you live" in some contexts.

    So, you add no reason to add to anyone's suspicions of what the British may be up to.

    Which of the following is your position with regard to the statement

    if I change my mind I know how to contact them

    attributed to Yulia Skripal’:

    (1) The purported statement was made in these precise words by Ms. Skripal’ in English.

    (2) The quoted words are a true, direct and correct translation of a statement made by Ms. Skripal’.

    (3) The quoted words were concocted by British “intelligence” services in English and attributed to the late Ms. Skripal’.

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    None of them precisely but 2. is close if you refer to translating the substance faitfully and accurately. But what is this trolling nonsense you are persisting with by referring to the "late Ms Skripal"? But also....
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  • @Cloak And Dagger

    The question now is: will the regime-change alliance be stupid and cruel enough to support yet another false flag chemical attack in their unending efforts to depose the Syrian president, or will they give up the game and allow Syria’s full return to peace?
     
    I will bet you dollars to donuts that this is just the beginning. Trump's entourage of neocons and the Israel lobby are not going to let this be the last word. I think Putin believes the same, and is in the process of re-arming Syria, with the possible inclusion of S-300 systems. They are also in the process of fortifying their own positions in Syria, as the next time, their bases and those of Iran will not be spared, Mattis notwithstanding. Iran and the Hezb are not sitting around smoking hookah either. The next conflagration will be bloody on both sides and a precursor to WW3 and a holocaust in Syria. Expect missiles to drop on Tel Aviv also and all the jews come scurrying back to our backyard. Where is the wall to stop them? I will take Mexicans instead of Israelis any day.

    Meanwhile, watch for Israel to take advantage of this chaos to further take it out on unarmed Palestinians under the cover of coalition fiasco. Their time of reckoning is at hand, and ours as well.

    Perhaps now, our nation will finally wake up.

    Wow! That happened faster than I predicted!

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/947055/Syria-Israel-attack-explosion-airstrike-Golan-Heights-USA-UK-France-Iran-Russia

    ‘EXPLOSION’ at ISRAELI held area of Golan Heights near Syria border

    A LARGE explosion has been heard in the Israeli held area of Golan Heights near the Syrian border immediately after an airstrike hit several Syrian bases, it has been reported.
    There have been reports of a significant explosion, according to local reports.

    It comes immediately after Syrian state TV confirmed an airstrike hit had hit several bases.

    Syria state television has confirmed its air defences are repelling attacks in the country’s Homs region.

    The military announced at around 1.10am local time (11.10pm GMT) that it had fired missiles towards the Shay’rat Airbase, to the south-east of Homs, and its surrounding area in the Homs Governorate.

    Several reporters in the area claim the airstrike was carried out by Israeli fighter jets flying at high altitude after crossing the borders through Lebanon.

    There were also reports of covert airstrikes carried out by Israeli forces at Iranian bases in the Jabal Azzan region south of Aleppo last weekend.

    The Pentagon said there is “no US military activity near Homs at this time”.

    It is unclear at this time what the explosion is or if anyone was hurt.

    The recent incidents come after a coordinated attack by the US, UK and France that saw over 100 missiles launched from US ships and UK Tornado fighter-bombers.

    The strike was designed to disable the country’s use of chemical weapons after it allegedly used chlorine against rebels in Douma, eastern Ghouta on April 7.

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  • @Z-man
    Hi Chuck
    As always beware the power of the Cabal....

    Z-man wrote:. “Hi Chuck
    As always beware the power of the Cabal….”

    Hi Z-man,

    Above, I always do surveillance, best I can.

    Please look at the extremely important presstv interview-video with “Veterans Today” editor, Gordon Duff?

    Also I make the same plea to geokat, SolontoCroesus, Jacques Sheete, Rurik, Mark Green, annamaria, Carrol Price, RobinG, Cloak and Dagger, Art, Talha, oh hell, Philip Giraldi, Ron Unz, and anyone else honest who I might have unintentionally omitted.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/15/the-syria-attack-duff-and-scott-rickard-on-press-tv-broader-coverage-censored-in-us/

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  • @ChuckOrloski
    Z-man wisely wrote to enlightened geokat:"Informative post about the ‘Israel Project’. As always beware the power of the CABAL"

    Hi Z-man,

    Pompeo just told the TV-Sheeple to expect a preZidential decision soon regarding the fate of perpetual "Cabal" target, Syria.

    The power of the "Cabal" is enhanced by expert cunning/deception, and as Mike Pompeo tells his Jewish Lobby controlled Inquisitors that North Korea must get ZUS's #1 attention, below is an article that suggests unspoken & inevitable bad tidings for Syria and Iran.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/04/11/after-syria-strikes-israel-expects-proxy-war-with-iran/

    Hi Chuck
    As always beware the power of the Cabal….

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    Z-man wrote:. "Hi Chuck
    As always beware the power of the Cabal…."

    Hi Z-man,

    Above, I always do surveillance, best I can.

    Please look at the extremely important presstv interview-video with "Veterans Today" editor, Gordon Duff?

    Also I make the same plea to geokat, SolontoCroesus, Jacques Sheete, Rurik, Mark Green, annamaria, Carrol Price, RobinG, Cloak and Dagger, Art, Talha, oh hell, Philip Giraldi, Ron Unz, and anyone else honest who I might have unintentionally omitted.

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/15/the-syria-attack-duff-and-scott-rickard-on-press-tv-broader-coverage-censored-in-us/
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  • @RobinG
    Latest from Eva Bartlett:


    Caught in a lie, US & allies bomb Syria the night before international inspectors arrive https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2018/04/16/caught-in-a-lie-us-allies-bomb-syria-the-night-before-international-inspectors-arrive/

    In January 2009, Israel repeatedly fired White Phosphorous on densely-populated areas of Gaza, targeting civilians. This was widely-documented, yet Israel has never been held accountable. America and allies recently bombed Syria on unproven, zero-evidence, allegations that Syria used chemical weapons.

    The question now is: will the regime-change alliance be stupid and cruel enough to support yet another false flag chemical attack in their unending efforts to depose the Syrian president, or will they give up the game and allow Syria’s full return to peace?

    I will bet you dollars to donuts that this is just the beginning. Trump’s entourage of neocons and the Israel lobby are not going to let this be the last word. I think Putin believes the same, and is in the process of re-arming Syria, with the possible inclusion of S-300 systems. They are also in the process of fortifying their own positions in Syria, as the next time, their bases and those of Iran will not be spared, Mattis notwithstanding. Iran and the Hezb are not sitting around smoking hookah either. The next conflagration will be bloody on both sides and a precursor to WW3 and a holocaust in Syria. Expect missiles to drop on Tel Aviv also and all the jews come scurrying back to our backyard. Where is the wall to stop them? I will take Mexicans instead of Israelis any day.

    Meanwhile, watch for Israel to take advantage of this chaos to further take it out on unarmed Palestinians under the cover of coalition fiasco. Their time of reckoning is at hand, and ours as well.

    Perhaps now, our nation will finally wake up.

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    Wow! That happened faster than I predicted!

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/947055/Syria-Israel-attack-explosion-airstrike-Golan-Heights-USA-UK-France-Iran-Russia

    'EXPLOSION' at ISRAELI held area of Golan Heights near Syria border

    A LARGE explosion has been heard in the Israeli held area of Golan Heights near the Syrian border immediately after an airstrike hit several Syrian bases, it has been reported.
    There have been reports of a significant explosion, according to local reports.

    It comes immediately after Syrian state TV confirmed an airstrike hit had hit several bases.

    Syria state television has confirmed its air defences are repelling attacks in the country’s Homs region.

    The military announced at around 1.10am local time (11.10pm GMT) that it had fired missiles towards the Shay’rat Airbase, to the south-east of Homs, and its surrounding area in the Homs Governorate.

    Several reporters in the area claim the airstrike was carried out by Israeli fighter jets flying at high altitude after crossing the borders through Lebanon.

    There were also reports of covert airstrikes carried out by Israeli forces at Iranian bases in the Jabal Azzan region south of Aleppo last weekend.

    The Pentagon said there is "no US military activity near Homs at this time".

    It is unclear at this time what the explosion is or if anyone was hurt.

    The recent incidents come after a coordinated attack by the US, UK and France that saw over 100 missiles launched from US ships and UK Tornado fighter-bombers.

    The strike was designed to disable the country’s use of chemical weapons after it allegedly used chlorine against rebels in Douma, eastern Ghouta on April 7.

     

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  • @Cloak And Dagger
    Well, of course. Why remove any excuse to strike. If we had waited for the OPCW report in Syria, yet another fig leaf would drop.

    Latest from Eva Bartlett:

    Caught in a lie, US & allies bomb Syria the night before international inspectors arrive https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2018/04/16/caught-in-a-lie-us-allies-bomb-syria-the-night-before-international-inspectors-arrive/

    In January 2009, Israel repeatedly fired White Phosphorous on densely-populated areas of Gaza, targeting civilians. This was widely-documented, yet Israel has never been held accountable. America and allies recently bombed Syria on unproven, zero-evidence, allegations that Syria used chemical weapons.

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    The question now is: will the regime-change alliance be stupid and cruel enough to support yet another false flag chemical attack in their unending efforts to depose the Syrian president, or will they give up the game and allow Syria’s full return to peace?
     
    I will bet you dollars to donuts that this is just the beginning. Trump's entourage of neocons and the Israel lobby are not going to let this be the last word. I think Putin believes the same, and is in the process of re-arming Syria, with the possible inclusion of S-300 systems. They are also in the process of fortifying their own positions in Syria, as the next time, their bases and those of Iran will not be spared, Mattis notwithstanding. Iran and the Hezb are not sitting around smoking hookah either. The next conflagration will be bloody on both sides and a precursor to WW3 and a holocaust in Syria. Expect missiles to drop on Tel Aviv also and all the jews come scurrying back to our backyard. Where is the wall to stop them? I will take Mexicans instead of Israelis any day.

    Meanwhile, watch for Israel to take advantage of this chaos to further take it out on unarmed Palestinians under the cover of coalition fiasco. Their time of reckoning is at hand, and ours as well.

    Perhaps now, our nation will finally wake up.
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  • @RobinG
    Remind you of anything?

    Taliban Offer to Detain and Try bin Laden Rejected by U.S.
    By REUTERS OCT. 7, 2001

    EMMITSBURG, Md., Oct 7 (Reuters) - The United States on Sunday rejected an offer by Afghanistan's ruling Taliban to try Muslim militant Osama bin Laden under Islamic law, saying he must be handed over to the United States. https://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/07/international/taliban-offer-to-detain-and-try-bin-laden-rejected-by-us.html

    Well, of course. Why remove any excuse to strike. If we had waited for the OPCW report in Syria, yet another fig leaf would drop.

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    Latest from Eva Bartlett:


    Caught in a lie, US & allies bomb Syria the night before international inspectors arrive https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2018/04/16/caught-in-a-lie-us-allies-bomb-syria-the-night-before-international-inspectors-arrive/

    In January 2009, Israel repeatedly fired White Phosphorous on densely-populated areas of Gaza, targeting civilians. This was widely-documented, yet Israel has never been held accountable. America and allies recently bombed Syria on unproven, zero-evidence, allegations that Syria used chemical weapons.
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  • @ChuckOrloski
    To geokat, full disclosure:

    I am horrified that all this Russiagate, Skripalgate, Assad's possession & use of chemical weapons, are weird & purpose-driven Zio fabrications, & to include tonight's feature of Comey's theatrical attack upon PreZident Trump.

    I feel real bad that a probable majority of shock & awed American citizens are opposed to even consider the common sense at hand in the title to this article written by P.G.

    Good night.

    Remind you of anything?

    Taliban Offer to Detain and Try bin Laden Rejected by U.S.
    By REUTERS OCT. 7, 2001

    EMMITSBURG, Md., Oct 7 (Reuters) – The United States on Sunday rejected an offer by Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban to try Muslim militant Osama bin Laden under Islamic law, saying he must be handed over to the United States. https://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/07/international/taliban-offer-to-detain-and-try-bin-laden-rejected-by-us.html

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    Well, of course. Why remove any excuse to strike. If we had waited for the OPCW report in Syria, yet another fig leaf would drop.
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  • @geokat62

    I feel real bad that a probable majority of shock & awed American citizens are opposed to even consider the common sense at hand in the title to this article written by P.G.
     
    Is it just me or do others get the sense that Phil’s articles have opened the door for others to produce a steady stream of articles that are willing to discuss the taboo subject of Jewish power.

    And thanks to these brave authors, more and more of the American public are becoming aware of this verboten topic. This is all to the good.

    Just as this former general on Sky News was cut off from explaining why it made little sense for Assad to gas his own people, the gatekeepers are desperately trying to keep a lid on the truth getting out.

    https://youtu.be/NGagdWsox0w

    But this is becoming a losing proposition in the age of the internet. And while today the truth may seem like a trickle, with more truth tellers willing to defy the gatekeepers, that trickle will soon become a stream, and, in a few years, the stream will become a river overflowing its banks.

    With that, I bid you a good night, Chuck.

    Anti-Venom Scientist gives tour of smoldering site of missile strike in Syria

    “CBS News looked into the OPCW report from Barzeh and it noted the Syrians had delayed the visit for security concerns, but didn’t find any red flags.”

    Assessing the damage of the airstrikes in Syria

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  • @ChuckOrloski
    To geokat, full disclosure:

    I am horrified that all this Russiagate, Skripalgate, Assad's possession & use of chemical weapons, are weird & purpose-driven Zio fabrications, & to include tonight's feature of Comey's theatrical attack upon PreZident Trump.

    I feel real bad that a probable majority of shock & awed American citizens are opposed to even consider the common sense at hand in the title to this article written by P.G.

    Good night.

    I feel real bad that a probable majority of shock & awed American citizens are opposed to even consider the common sense at hand in the title to this article written by P.G.

    Is it just me or do others get the sense that Phil’s articles have opened the door for others to produce a steady stream of articles that are willing to discuss the taboo subject of Jewish power.

    And thanks to these brave authors, more and more of the American public are becoming aware of this verboten topic. This is all to the good.

    Just as this former general on Sky News was cut off from explaining why it made little sense for Assad to gas his own people, the gatekeepers are desperately trying to keep a lid on the truth getting out.

    But this is becoming a losing proposition in the age of the internet. And while today the truth may seem like a trickle, with more truth tellers willing to defy the gatekeepers, that trickle will soon become a stream, and, in a few years, the stream will become a river overflowing its banks.

    With that, I bid you a good night, Chuck.

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    Anti-Venom Scientist gives tour of smoldering site of missile strike in Syria

    "CBS News looked into the OPCW report from Barzeh and it noted the Syrians had delayed the visit for security concerns, but didn't find any red flags."
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhW2G-ynvBc
    Assessing the damage of the airstrikes in Syria
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  • @ChuckOrloski
    Scranton Calling Brother geokat,

    I am trying to be surveillance-conscious (circumspect?) as tons of information appear on the Big 3 Zionist Brothers recent & abhorrent missile strike at Syrian targets.

    Below is a news article on Rep. Jared Huffman (D, Ca.) and his reasonable slap at Donald J. Trump's "Stormy" legal problems and a proposition that the preZident "not being above" the conventional warmongering-method, way out impeachment trouble.

    There is substance to what he claims and I suppose Rep. Huffman is 100 percent AIPAC approved, geo. Just wanted to run this smelly matter by your research desk.

    Looks to me Huffman's watered-down action is more Zio "divide & conquer" shit hurled at intensely divided dumb goyim supporters who are lethally aligned in opposition liberal (Democrat) and conservative (GOP) internment camps.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/383129-dem-lawmaker-trump-is-not-above-using-war-to-distract-from

    I suppose Rep. Huffman is 100 percent AIPAC approved

    Hey, Chuck. After conducting a quick search, I wan’t able to establish Rep. Huffman’s ethnic background (this has become increasingly difficult, for obvious reasons). As for religious affiliation, Huffman claims he is a humanist (or agnostic).

    Based on this Facebook post, however, Rep. Huffman clearly comes across as an ardent supporter of the Jewish state (admittedly, brave enough to express his reservations about the settlements):

    https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1004968012942193&id=344330745672593

    On the basis of this note, Rep. Huffman, like almost every other member of Congress today, can be said to be 100% AIPAC approved.

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  • @ChuckOrloski
    Scranton Calling Brother geokat,

    I am trying to be surveillance-conscious (circumspect?) as tons of information appear on the Big 3 Zionist Brothers recent & abhorrent missile strike at Syrian targets.

    Below is a news article on Rep. Jared Huffman (D, Ca.) and his reasonable slap at Donald J. Trump's "Stormy" legal problems and a proposition that the preZident "not being above" the conventional warmongering-method, way out impeachment trouble.

    There is substance to what he claims and I suppose Rep. Huffman is 100 percent AIPAC approved, geo. Just wanted to run this smelly matter by your research desk.

    Looks to me Huffman's watered-down action is more Zio "divide & conquer" shit hurled at intensely divided dumb goyim supporters who are lethally aligned in opposition liberal (Democrat) and conservative (GOP) internment camps.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/383129-dem-lawmaker-trump-is-not-above-using-war-to-distract-from

    To geokat, full disclosure:

    I am horrified that all this Russiagate, Skripalgate, Assad’s possession & use of chemical weapons, are weird & purpose-driven Zio fabrications, & to include tonight’s feature of Comey’s theatrical attack upon PreZident Trump.

    I feel real bad that a probable majority of shock & awed American citizens are opposed to even consider the common sense at hand in the title to this article written by P.G.

    Good night.

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    I feel real bad that a probable majority of shock & awed American citizens are opposed to even consider the common sense at hand in the title to this article written by P.G.
     
    Is it just me or do others get the sense that Phil’s articles have opened the door for others to produce a steady stream of articles that are willing to discuss the taboo subject of Jewish power.

    And thanks to these brave authors, more and more of the American public are becoming aware of this verboten topic. This is all to the good.

    Just as this former general on Sky News was cut off from explaining why it made little sense for Assad to gas his own people, the gatekeepers are desperately trying to keep a lid on the truth getting out.

    https://youtu.be/NGagdWsox0w

    But this is becoming a losing proposition in the age of the internet. And while today the truth may seem like a trickle, with more truth tellers willing to defy the gatekeepers, that trickle will soon become a stream, and, in a few years, the stream will become a river overflowing its banks.

    With that, I bid you a good night, Chuck.

    , @RobinG
    Remind you of anything?

    Taliban Offer to Detain and Try bin Laden Rejected by U.S.
    By REUTERS OCT. 7, 2001

    EMMITSBURG, Md., Oct 7 (Reuters) - The United States on Sunday rejected an offer by Afghanistan's ruling Taliban to try Muslim militant Osama bin Laden under Islamic law, saying he must be handed over to the United States. https://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/07/international/taliban-offer-to-detain-and-try-bin-laden-rejected-by-us.html
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  • Scranton Calling Brother geokat,

    I am trying to be surveillance-conscious (circumspect?) as tons of information appear on the Big 3 Zionist Brothers recent & abhorrent missile strike at Syrian targets.

    Below is a news article on Rep. Jared Huffman (D, Ca.) and his reasonable slap at Donald J. Trump’s “Stormy” legal problems and a proposition that the preZident “not being above” the conventional warmongering-method, way out impeachment trouble.

    There is substance to what he claims and I suppose Rep. Huffman is 100 percent AIPAC approved, geo. Just wanted to run this smelly matter by your research desk.

    Looks to me Huffman’s watered-down action is more Zio “divide & conquer” shit hurled at intensely divided dumb goyim supporters who are lethally aligned in opposition liberal (Democrat) and conservative (GOP) internment camps.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/383129-dem-lawmaker-trump-is-not-above-using-war-to-distract-from

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    To geokat, full disclosure:

    I am horrified that all this Russiagate, Skripalgate, Assad's possession & use of chemical weapons, are weird & purpose-driven Zio fabrications, & to include tonight's feature of Comey's theatrical attack upon PreZident Trump.

    I feel real bad that a probable majority of shock & awed American citizens are opposed to even consider the common sense at hand in the title to this article written by P.G.

    Good night.
    , @geokat62

    I suppose Rep. Huffman is 100 percent AIPAC approved
     
    Hey, Chuck. After conducting a quick search, I wan’t able to establish Rep. Huffman’s ethnic background (this has become increasingly difficult, for obvious reasons). As for religious affiliation, Huffman claims he is a humanist (or agnostic).

    Based on this Facebook post, however, Rep. Huffman clearly comes across as an ardent supporter of the Jewish state (admittedly, brave enough to express his reservations about the settlements):

    https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1004968012942193&id=344330745672593

    On the basis of this note, Rep. Huffman, like almost every other member of Congress today, can be said to be 100% AIPAC approved.
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  • The Russian Embassy in London now acknowledges that the blood samples from the Skripals that were supplied to the OPCW contained A234 (Novichok). However, the Russians point out that those samples also contained BZ, an antidote to Novichok. Thus, what remains to be determined is whether the Novichok was used as an antidote to BZ, or the BZ was used as an antidote to Novichok. Either way round would make sense, depending on which substance was ingested first.

    However the Russians are now claiming that the blood samples from the Skripals that were supplied by the Brits to the OPCW were spiked with A234. According to the Russians, if the A234 present in those samples had been present before the blood was taken from the supposed victims of the alleged nerve agent attack, the concentration would certainly have been sufficient to cause immediate death.

    Questions that remain for the British Government include the following:

    Why did Dr. Davies, the Resident for Emergency Medicine at the Salisbury Trust Hospital, say that no one had been treated for nerve agent poisoning, a claim that is inconsistent with the blood sample analysis. At least it is inconsistent with the blood sample analyses unless BZ, a relatively non-toxic pharmacological agent not generally regarded as a nerve agent/chemical warfare agent, was what the Skripals were poisoned with?

    If as claimed by the British media, the Skripals were admitted to the Salisbury Trust Hospital with symptoms of poisoning by a Novichok-type agent, what analyses of blood and vomit were conducted on the orders of the attending physicians and with what results?

    More here: 3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate: Updated

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  • @Cloak And Dagger
    No pity from me.

    Take a look at this picture:

    https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1-157.jpg

    This is a shot of Barzeh after a "massive" missile strike of "76" projectiles. Does that look credible to you based on the damage? Moreover, see how close the site is to population centers? If this site housed CW, there would have been large scale deaths nearby. None of that happened. There were no CW there, and a fraction of "76" missiles struck it (3), Lt. Gen Kenneth McKenzie's claims notwithstanding.

    Hi Cloak and Dagger,

    As a life-long eastern (Byzantine) Catholic, I completely understand your taking “no pity” upon The Big 3 Western-Zionist Brothers evil action!

    (Note:Fyodor Dostoyevsky gave mankind the great “Brothers Karamazov” and merchant-Rothschild gave dumb goyim the nightmarish “Brothers Trump/Macron & Sister May.”)

    Appears President Putin has announced that Russians tracked the incoming missiles but hesitated to shoot them down. Hm.

    To my mind, it looks like (at minimum) that a temporary ZUS/Russia Non-Aggression Pact was formed with conditions & prior to the Friday the 13th’s low-casualty attack upon innocuous Syrian military sites.

    With Atlanticist Integrationist pressure bearing down upon the Putin government, I sense there is continual behind-scenes D.C./Tel Aviv – Moscow WHEELING & DEALING going on that only privileged “Deciders” get to know.

    Trump probably gets an official “tweet” on the next (approved) calamitous step(s) that he is assigned to execute!

    At any rate, C&D, thanks for posting the picture of targeted Barzeh steel (?) structures which look in much better condition than the molten & twisted ones observable on scene @ “Ground Zero,” Israel’s post-9/11 False Flag attack.

    Please look at the pressTV article below where The legendary Nusrallah gives a “Boots-on-the-Ground” account on the most recent Big Brother Zionist 3′s strike upon Syria?

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/15/558617/US-could-not-attain-any-goals-out-f-missile-strikes-on-Syria-Nasrallah

    Thank you. And…. Christos voskres!

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  • @ChuckOrloski
    Cloak And Dagger asked me:
    "Are you as angry as I am?"

    Hi C & D,

    Since WW I, the reasons for my country's going to war were based upon lies.

    Subsequently, my "trust" is lost in government liars who launched the unnecessary, immoral, and expensive wars.

    At the present hour, Matt Drudge reports that President Putin is angry now, he "seethes."

    Frankly, instead of reacting naturally with "anger," I take pity upon the evil perpetrators who committed the lie-based Friday the 13th attack.

    Am ashamed of the terrible lying deed, and
    I also pity fellow citizens who continue to foolishly trust PreZident Trump who is serving as Israel's killer-Judas Goat.

    Anger tends to cloud ZUS citizen's judgement, and I "seethe" with a passion to stay aware of the lying-liars' OPEN works of perdition and death.

    So I make expressive comments here at the U.R. while doing so remains possible.

    Thanks for the straight-up exchange, Cloak And Dagger!

    No pity from me.

    Take a look at this picture:

    This is a shot of Barzeh after a “massive” missile strike of “76″ projectiles. Does that look credible to you based on the damage? Moreover, see how close the site is to population centers? If this site housed CW, there would have been large scale deaths nearby. None of that happened. There were no CW there, and a fraction of “76″ missiles struck it (3), Lt. Gen Kenneth McKenzie’s claims notwithstanding.

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    Hi Cloak and Dagger,

    As a life-long eastern (Byzantine) Catholic, I completely understand your taking "no pity" upon The Big 3 Western-Zionist Brothers evil action!

    (Note:Fyodor Dostoyevsky gave mankind the great "Brothers Karamazov" and merchant-Rothschild gave dumb goyim the nightmarish "Brothers Trump/Macron & Sister May.")

    Appears President Putin has announced that Russians tracked the incoming missiles but hesitated to shoot them down. Hm.

    To my mind, it looks like (at minimum) that a temporary ZUS/Russia Non-Aggression Pact was formed with conditions & prior to the Friday the 13th's low-casualty attack upon innocuous Syrian military sites.

    With Atlanticist Integrationist pressure bearing down upon the Putin government, I sense there is continual behind-scenes D.C./Tel Aviv - Moscow WHEELING & DEALING going on that only privileged "Deciders" get to know.

    Trump probably gets an official "tweet" on the next (approved) calamitous step(s) that he is assigned to execute!

    At any rate, C&D, thanks for posting the picture of targeted Barzeh steel (?) structures which look in much better condition than the molten & twisted ones observable on scene @ "Ground Zero," Israel's post-9/11 False Flag attack.

    Please look at the pressTV article below where The legendary Nusrallah gives a "Boots-on-the-Ground" account on the most recent Big Brother Zionist 3's strike upon Syria?

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/04/15/558617/US-could-not-attain-any-goals-out-f-missile-strikes-on-Syria-Nasrallah

    Thank you. And.... Christos voskres!
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  • @jacques sheete

    ...but a cad is an upper class person who behaves abominably while a bounder is a social climber who can’t resist trying to bump up against his betters...
     
    The first time I ever heard the word "cad" was when a woman, an English major, who was in hot pursuit of me called me that. While she got the "behaving abominably" part correct, she was wrong about the rest.

    I think it was the abominable part that attracted her; nevertheless she was no shirker in that department either if ya get the drift...

    Ah, the old days! ;)

    The explanation I read somewhere long ago was in response to someone having called someone “a cad and a bounder”, and it was explained that a cad couldn’t be a bounder because of the social differences between the two types.

    Funny stuff.

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    I really cannot say as I haven't lived there in quite some time but I don't think either term is in common usage and I've certainly never been called either. I've mostly been called a prick, but I just assumed that it was a form of flattery.

    I’ve also always taken that as a compliment on my manhood. ;-)

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  • @Cloak And Dagger
    I read the link you provided as well as the main article by Gordon Duff. I tend to take VT with a grain of salt because they have been known to make bold assertions without providing any corroborating evidence, along the lines of "my spook friends told me". OTOH, the statements in this particular article seem genuine, backed up as they are with actual video footage.

    Earlier, Lt. Gen Kenneth McKenzie said all of the missiles fired by the US and its partners landed.

    “We are confident all our missiles reached their targets,” McKenzie said.

    McKenzie added that the Syrian government responded by recklessly firing 40 missiles, none of which struck military targets or intercepted the coalition’s missiles. “The Syrian response was ineffective in all domains,”
     
    Claiming a 100% hit rate stretches credibility. He could have said "most", but he didn't. Looking at this video, it looks like at least some of the missiles were intercepted:

    https://youtu.be/zPD09y1aK2Q

    It is also incomprehensible why the coalition would fire 103 missiles at just 3 targets. It is more credible that they targeted more than 3 sites and only a fraction of the total missiles made it through. I seem to recall that last year's attack on a similar Syrian target had about 60 missiles launched with only a handful making it to anywhere near their target. In both cases, the actual damage was negligible as personnel and equipment had been evacuated in anticipation of such an attack.

    Bear that in mind when you consider that each Tomahawk missile costs $1.4 million. So, $144+ million were just wasted (not counting personnel and equipment costs) for a non-existent threat just to save face. Tuesday is April 17th, when you and I will write a large check to the IRS from our blood, sweat, and tears, to fund such charades.

    Are you as angry as I am?

    Cloak And Dagger asked me:
    “Are you as angry as I am?”

    Hi C & D,

    Since WW I, the reasons for my country’s going to war were based upon lies.

    Subsequently, my “trust” is lost in government liars who launched the unnecessary, immoral, and expensive wars.

    At the present hour, Matt Drudge reports that President Putin is angry now, he “seethes.”

    Frankly, instead of reacting naturally with “anger,” I take pity upon the evil perpetrators who committed the lie-based Friday the 13th attack.

    Am ashamed of the terrible lying deed, and
    I also pity fellow citizens who continue to foolishly trust PreZident Trump who is serving as Israel’s killer-Judas Goat.

    Anger tends to cloud ZUS citizen’s judgement, and I “seethe” with a passion to stay aware of the lying-liars’ OPEN works of perdition and death.

    So I make expressive comments here at the U.R. while doing so remains possible.

    Thanks for the straight-up exchange, Cloak And Dagger!

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    No pity from me.

    Take a look at this picture:

    https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/1-157.jpg

    This is a shot of Barzeh after a "massive" missile strike of "76" projectiles. Does that look credible to you based on the damage? Moreover, see how close the site is to population centers? If this site housed CW, there would have been large scale deaths nearby. None of that happened. There were no CW there, and a fraction of "76" missiles struck it (3), Lt. Gen Kenneth McKenzie's claims notwithstanding.
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  • @ChuckOrloski
    Hi Cloak And Dagger

    Because I trust nothing that comes from our Jewish Corporate Media, I looked around to try & find a source that offered solid sense about what really happened yesterday as ZUS, Britain, and France hit Syrian targets with "missiles."

    Below is an informational "Veterans Today" article, written by Jim W. Dean.

    After your perusal of Mr. Dean's RARE data, you will likely see that Gilad Atzmon's assessment "How Israel Postponed WW3 (inadvertently)" made practical sense.

    The scary Friday the 13th attack on Syria was... advertised, measured. Refer below?

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/14/us-syria-attack-here-are-the-missile-strike-numbers-from-the-russians/

    P.S.:
    I remain baffled as to knowing who were the operators in-control of the Syria-based A.B.M. system(s) that managed to take down an impressive number of missiles (equipped with conventional warheads) & launched by the Big 3 Brother Zionist powers. Evidently the operators had top notch Russian military job-training and prior practice.

    I read the link you provided as well as the main article by Gordon Duff. I tend to take VT with a grain of salt because they have been known to make bold assertions without providing any corroborating evidence, along the lines of “my spook friends told me”. OTOH, the statements in this particular article seem genuine, backed up as they are with actual video footage.

    Earlier, Lt. Gen Kenneth McKenzie said all of the missiles fired by the US and its partners landed.

    “We are confident all our missiles reached their targets,” McKenzie said.

    McKenzie added that the Syrian government responded by recklessly firing 40 missiles, none of which struck military targets or intercepted the coalition’s missiles. “The Syrian response was ineffective in all domains,”

    Claiming a 100% hit rate stretches credibility. He could have said “most”, but he didn’t. Looking at this video, it looks like at least some of the missiles were intercepted:

    It is also incomprehensible why the coalition would fire 103 missiles at just 3 targets. It is more credible that they targeted more than 3 sites and only a fraction of the total missiles made it through. I seem to recall that last year’s attack on a similar Syrian target had about 60 missiles launched with only a handful making it to anywhere near their target. In both cases, the actual damage was negligible as personnel and equipment had been evacuated in anticipation of such an attack.

    Bear that in mind when you consider that each Tomahawk missile costs $1.4 million. So, $144+ million were just wasted (not counting personnel and equipment costs) for a non-existent threat just to save face. Tuesday is April 17th, when you and I will write a large check to the IRS from our blood, sweat, and tears, to fund such charades.

    Are you as angry as I am?

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    Cloak And Dagger asked me:
    "Are you as angry as I am?"

    Hi C & D,

    Since WW I, the reasons for my country's going to war were based upon lies.

    Subsequently, my "trust" is lost in government liars who launched the unnecessary, immoral, and expensive wars.

    At the present hour, Matt Drudge reports that President Putin is angry now, he "seethes."

    Frankly, instead of reacting naturally with "anger," I take pity upon the evil perpetrators who committed the lie-based Friday the 13th attack.

    Am ashamed of the terrible lying deed, and
    I also pity fellow citizens who continue to foolishly trust PreZident Trump who is serving as Israel's killer-Judas Goat.

    Anger tends to cloud ZUS citizen's judgement, and I "seethe" with a passion to stay aware of the lying-liars' OPEN works of perdition and death.

    So I make expressive comments here at the U.R. while doing so remains possible.

    Thanks for the straight-up exchange, Cloak And Dagger!
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  • @Cloak And Dagger
    It is a battle between the lame-stream media and alternate media. It's a pity that the majority of the gullible public will grant credibility to the former while ignoring the latter.

    I appreciate your valuable contributions on this matter. It was educational.

    Thanks for your encouragement. A couple of paragraphs of my last piece on the Skripal poisoning were a bit wild and woolly, though I hope that my last revision fixed the worst of the syntactical trouble.

    I think I have things more or less straight now, without having to abandon the conclusion that the Brits have failed to provide any credible evidence to back their account of the Skripal poisoning (assuming the Skripals were actually poisoned).

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  • @ChuckOrloski
    Hi Cloak And Dagger

    Because I trust nothing that comes from our Jewish Corporate Media, I looked around to try & find a source that offered solid sense about what really happened yesterday as ZUS, Britain, and France hit Syrian targets with "missiles."

    Below is an informational "Veterans Today" article, written by Jim W. Dean.

    After your perusal of Mr. Dean's RARE data, you will likely see that Gilad Atzmon's assessment "How Israel Postponed WW3 (inadvertently)" made practical sense.

    The scary Friday the 13th attack on Syria was... advertised, measured. Refer below?

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/14/us-syria-attack-here-are-the-missile-strike-numbers-from-the-russians/

    P.S.:
    I remain baffled as to knowing who were the operators in-control of the Syria-based A.B.M. system(s) that managed to take down an impressive number of missiles (equipped with conventional warheads) & launched by the Big 3 Brother Zionist powers. Evidently the operators had top notch Russian military job-training and prior practice.

    Thanks for the link. I will definitely take a look later this evening.

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  • @Cloak And Dagger
    Indeed.

    From Gilad Atzmon:

    https://youtu.be/CpdT79rm1ts

    How Israel Postponed WW3 (inadvertently)


    In 2014 Sky owner and media mogul Rupert Murdoch won the ADL Award. The honour was clearly awarded for a reason. On occasion, Sky changes itself into a state propaganda service. The video above shows such an event . Sky crudely cut off the former commander of the British Armed Forces, Jonathan Shaw, as soon as he went ‘off script’ by suggesting that the Syrian regime couldn’t have been behind the Douma gas attack. General Shaw attempted to point out that chemical warfare is a desperate act, not something you would expect from the Assad regime that has basically won.

    Before yesterday, I had not believed that America would be foolish enough to lead an attack on Syria. My rationale was simple. The Russians have recently deployed their most sophisticated, yet untested, S-400 air defence system in Syria. The Russian S-400 is designed to intercept America’s 1970’s technology Tomahawk cruise missiles. I thought that it could be a fatal blow to America and to NATO to be in a situation in which many of its Tomahawk Missiles targeting Syria were downed by a Russian anti aircraft system. I was pretty sure that American military leaders wouldn’t take such a risk and certainly not for Israel. I was wrong. America, Britain and France did take that risk. According to the Russians and the Syrians most of the cruise missiles were downed. If Syria and Russia are telling the truth, NATO is an obsolete military joke. Maybe we should actually thank Israel for bringing this all to light.

    Israeli press reported last week that in a telephone conversation PM Netanyahu and President Trump grew tense over Trump’s announced intent to withdraw US forces from Syria. We know that Israel has been distressed by Assad’s victory. Israel can’t bear the alliance among Hezbollah, Iran, Assad, Turkey and Russia that is happening on its northern border. Israel has openly announced its refusal to allow Iran to gain momentum in Syria.

    Israel wanted to see someone, like the USA and NATO, to get involved in escalating the opposition to Assad. So it is not exactly surprising that that the three countries that were willing to provide what Israel wanted are the three countries notorious for their forceful and hawkish Jewish lobbies. In the USA, AIPAC’s domination of foreign affairs has been the subject of extensive academic research. In Britain 80% of the Tory MPs are members of the belligerent Conservative Friends of Israel and in France the CRIF (Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France) is known to be the most forceful body in the land.

    Earlier this week it seemed as if WW3 might be close. No careful observer of the Middle East could miss that Israel and its supportive pro war lobbies have been, somehow, at the centre of all of it. But now it seems that Israel and its lobbies have pushed America, Britain and France to act against their own national interests. This morning, following the recent criminal, yet futile, attack on Syria it is clear that NATO isn’t exactly a military powerhouse. It is a decaying Zionist tool. It is not ready for a war. For the time being WW3 has been postponed. I guess we can at least be grateful to Israel for that.
     

    Hi Cloak And Dagger

    Because I trust nothing that comes from our Jewish Corporate Media, I looked around to try & find a source that offered solid sense about what really happened yesterday as ZUS, Britain, and France hit Syrian targets with “missiles.”

    Below is an informational “Veterans Today” article, written by Jim W. Dean.

    After your perusal of Mr. Dean’s RARE data, you will likely see that Gilad Atzmon’s assessment “How Israel Postponed WW3 (inadvertently)” made practical sense.

    The scary Friday the 13th attack on Syria was… advertised, measured. Refer below?

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/14/us-syria-attack-here-are-the-missile-strike-numbers-from-the-russians/

    P.S.:
    I remain baffled as to knowing who were the operators in-control of the Syria-based A.B.M. system(s) that managed to take down an impressive number of missiles (equipped with conventional warheads) & launched by the Big 3 Brother Zionist powers. Evidently the operators had top notch Russian military job-training and prior practice.

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    Thanks for the link. I will definitely take a look later this evening.
    , @Cloak And Dagger
    I read the link you provided as well as the main article by Gordon Duff. I tend to take VT with a grain of salt because they have been known to make bold assertions without providing any corroborating evidence, along the lines of "my spook friends told me". OTOH, the statements in this particular article seem genuine, backed up as they are with actual video footage.

    Earlier, Lt. Gen Kenneth McKenzie said all of the missiles fired by the US and its partners landed.

    “We are confident all our missiles reached their targets,” McKenzie said.

    McKenzie added that the Syrian government responded by recklessly firing 40 missiles, none of which struck military targets or intercepted the coalition’s missiles. “The Syrian response was ineffective in all domains,”
     
    Claiming a 100% hit rate stretches credibility. He could have said "most", but he didn't. Looking at this video, it looks like at least some of the missiles were intercepted:

    https://youtu.be/zPD09y1aK2Q

    It is also incomprehensible why the coalition would fire 103 missiles at just 3 targets. It is more credible that they targeted more than 3 sites and only a fraction of the total missiles made it through. I seem to recall that last year's attack on a similar Syrian target had about 60 missiles launched with only a handful making it to anywhere near their target. In both cases, the actual damage was negligible as personnel and equipment had been evacuated in anticipation of such an attack.

    Bear that in mind when you consider that each Tomahawk missile costs $1.4 million. So, $144+ million were just wasted (not counting personnel and equipment costs) for a non-existent threat just to save face. Tuesday is April 17th, when you and I will write a large check to the IRS from our blood, sweat, and tears, to fund such charades.

    Are you as angry as I am?
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  • https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/04/14/us-uk-fomented-crisis-syria/

    It would take a complete idiot to believe that Washington and its European vassals, who have killed, maimed, orphaned, and displaced millions of Muslims in seven countries over the last 17 years to be so upset over the deaths of 70 Muslims that they are willing to risk war with Russia.

    Well we do seem to be a nation of complete idiots if the press is to be believed.

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  • ‘Why would Assad attack civilians not military? It’s simply irrational’ – U.S. Senator

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  • @anon
    Ron really needs to add an "Idiot" button.

    In Corvinus’ case, a “cuck” button would be more appropriate.

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  • Why is Trump reneging on his promises?

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  • @CanSpeccy
    In light of the report by the Spiez Laboratory of the Swiss Federal Office for Civil Protection that the Skripals were poisoned with 3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, aka, BZ or Buzz, a recognized antimusgarinic pharmacolical agent similar in its effects to Novichok. If confirmed, this finding establishes, as I have discussed here, that the Skripal poisoning saga is a ridiculous charade written and carried out by buffoons with little relevant knowledge other than of how to so shape the lips, tongue and larynx as to emit a cloud of lies potentially culminating in a nuclear conflagration.

    It is a battle between the lame-stream media and alternate media. It’s a pity that the majority of the gullible public will grant credibility to the former while ignoring the latter.

    I appreciate your valuable contributions on this matter. It was educational.

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    Thanks for your encouragement. A couple of paragraphs of my last piece on the Skripal poisoning were a bit wild and woolly, though I hope that my last revision fixed the worst of the syntactical trouble.

    I think I have things more or less straight now, without having to abandon the conclusion that the Brits have failed to provide any credible evidence to back their account of the Skripal poisoning (assuming the Skripals were actually poisoned).
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  • @CanSpeccy

    What would be the point
     
    To provide victims. Otherwise it would have been known and likely made public that no poisoning victims had been admitted to hospital.

    The Skripals, whether witting or otherwise, were the victims, though poisoned not by Novichok but by their seafood lunch.

    In addition, the success of the operation depended on providing the OPCW with blood samples from Novichok exposed victims of poisoning, which is what the charade made possible.

    However, the samples were not, as generally assumed, from victims poisoned by a nerve agent, hence the wording of Dr. Davies's letter. Rather, they were samples from people treated with a nerve agent.

    In light of the report by the Spiez Laboratory of the Swiss Federal Office for Civil Protection that the Skripals were poisoned with 3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, aka, BZ or Buzz, a recognized antimusgarinic pharmacolical agent similar in its effects to Novichok. If confirmed, this finding establishes, as I have discussed here, that the Skripal poisoning saga is a ridiculous charade written and carried out by buffoons with little relevant knowledge other than of how to so shape the lips, tongue and larynx as to emit a cloud of lies potentially culminating in a nuclear conflagration.

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    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
    It is a battle between the lame-stream media and alternate media. It's a pity that the majority of the gullible public will grant credibility to the former while ignoring the latter.

    I appreciate your valuable contributions on this matter. It was educational.

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  • @ChuckOrloski
    Cloak and Dagger announced:
    "The Liars have started bombing Syria! God help us all."

    Hi C & D,

    I appreciate your piercing-comment (above) which is in perfect synch with Phil Giraldi's article title, "Liars lying about everything."

    Unfortunately, American citizens are conditioned to accept new & bigger ZUS government lies soon after terrible old whoppers are assigned to the Jewish Neoconservative "Memory Hole."

    Since you mentioned humanity's oft common plea, "God help us all," please consider reading (below) the brave words of Jonas E. Alexis, published on this fateful morning by "Veterans Today."

    "In short, by allying with the Israeli regime and the Neoconservative ideology in order to destroy Syria, Trump has found himself in bed with Satanism, which seeks to subvert the moral and political order. In that sense, Trump is seeking World War III in Syria for Israel. In that sense, Trump is not working for the American people."

    Indeed.

    From Gilad Atzmon:

    How Israel Postponed WW3 (inadvertently)

    [MORE]

    In 2014 Sky owner and media mogul Rupert Murdoch won the ADL Award. The honour was clearly awarded for a reason. On occasion, Sky changes itself into a state propaganda service. The video above shows such an event . Sky crudely cut off the former commander of the British Armed Forces, Jonathan Shaw, as soon as he went ‘off script’ by suggesting that the Syrian regime couldn’t have been behind the Douma gas attack. General Shaw attempted to point out that chemical warfare is a desperate act, not something you would expect from the Assad regime that has basically won.

    Before yesterday, I had not believed that America would be foolish enough to lead an attack on Syria. My rationale was simple. The Russians have recently deployed their most sophisticated, yet untested, S-400 air defence system in Syria. The Russian S-400 is designed to intercept America’s 1970’s technology Tomahawk cruise missiles. I thought that it could be a fatal blow to America and to NATO to be in a situation in which many of its Tomahawk Missiles targeting Syria were downed by a Russian anti aircraft system. I was pretty sure that American military leaders wouldn’t take such a risk and certainly not for Israel. I was wrong. America, Britain and France did take that risk. According to the Russians and the Syrians most of the cruise missiles were downed. If Syria and Russia are telling the truth, NATO is an obsolete military joke. Maybe we should actually thank Israel for bringing this all to light.

    Israeli press reported last week that in a telephone conversation PM Netanyahu and President Trump grew tense over Trump’s announced intent to withdraw US forces from Syria. We know that Israel has been distressed by Assad’s victory. Israel can’t bear the alliance among Hezbollah, Iran, Assad, Turkey and Russia that is happening on its northern border. Israel has openly announced its refusal to allow Iran to gain momentum in Syria.

    Israel wanted to see someone, like the USA and NATO, to get involved in escalating the opposition to Assad. So it is not exactly surprising that that the three countries that were willing to provide what Israel wanted are the three countries notorious for their forceful and hawkish Jewish lobbies. In the USA, AIPAC’s domination of foreign affairs has been the subject of extensive academic research. In Britain 80% of the Tory MPs are members of the belligerent Conservative Friends of Israel and in France the CRIF (Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France) is known to be the most forceful body in the land.

    Earlier this week it seemed as if WW3 might be close. No careful observer of the Middle East could miss that Israel and its supportive pro war lobbies have been, somehow, at the centre of all of it. But now it seems that Israel and its lobbies have pushed America, Britain and France to act against their own national interests. This morning, following the recent criminal, yet futile, attack on Syria it is clear that NATO isn’t exactly a military powerhouse. It is a decaying Zionist tool. It is not ready for a war. For the time being WW3 has been postponed. I guess we can at least be grateful to Israel for that.

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    Hi Cloak And Dagger

    Because I trust nothing that comes from our Jewish Corporate Media, I looked around to try & find a source that offered solid sense about what really happened yesterday as ZUS, Britain, and France hit Syrian targets with "missiles."

    Below is an informational "Veterans Today" article, written by Jim W. Dean.

    After your perusal of Mr. Dean's RARE data, you will likely see that Gilad Atzmon's assessment "How Israel Postponed WW3 (inadvertently)" made practical sense.

    The scary Friday the 13th attack on Syria was... advertised, measured. Refer below?

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/04/14/us-syria-attack-here-are-the-missile-strike-numbers-from-the-russians/

    P.S.:
    I remain baffled as to knowing who were the operators in-control of the Syria-based A.B.M. system(s) that managed to take down an impressive number of missiles (equipped with conventional warheads) & launched by the Big 3 Brother Zionist powers. Evidently the operators had top notch Russian military job-training and prior practice.
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  • @Anonymous
    Russia is a country of unbridled greed. An insatiable appetite for blood , land , alcohol ,and loot . Why else then does the worlds largest country need to invade and occupy more lands ? Invasion,occupation and genocide in Chechnya ? More occupation and killing in Crimea and Dagestan . Occupation and opression and turning Kaliningrad into a toxic waste dump.

    Something is fundamentally wrong with the rabid bear . Alcoholism , krokodil and heroin may mask the symptoms but we all see the utter rot in the negative birth rate , low life expectancy , high suicude rate , high homicide rate , high abortion rate and rampant alcoholism and drug addiction. The men are drunks and theives and the women are sluts .

    The comment about heroin addled russians and evil intent is A rant. Imputation of evil irrational motives to states and leaders are almost alway and self serving. Russian policy toward krym, chechnya, Kaliningrad and Dagestan is real politic and no more brutal than any other state facing existential threats.

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  • @Corvinus
    Indeed, I proved that you are skirting the issue like an SJW. Under the Putin regime, the body count of his enemies has grown. And somehow 34 Russian journalists in the last decade just “died”?

    Occam’s Razor applies here.

    And somehow 34 Russian journalists in the last decade just “died”?

    You mean like that German journalist who said that for years he’d written lies for the CIA and who then “just “died””?

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  • @Twodees Partain
    "Britain has a vast culture of social climbing so many who consider themselves to be Establishment may not actually be considered as such by others."

    So true, that. Hearing the explanation of the difference between a cad and a bounder, that view of social position is obvious. Not being an upper class Brit, I'm not sure that I have it right, but; a cad is an upper class person who behaves abominably while a bounder is a social climber who can't resist trying to bump up against his betters.

    That's why a cad can never be a bounder or vice versa, at least if I'm understanding the explanation I heard.

    Cads and bounders have not existed in Britain since about 1914, except in the timeless novels of P.G. Wodehouse.

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  • @Cloak And Dagger
    I saw speculation somewhere that they partook of fugu sushi. No corroboration.

    Fugu or pufferfish, produces tetrodotoxin, a sodium channel blocker the effect of which would not likely be much if at all reversed by Novichok, an acetylcholine esterase inhibitor. However, It seems unlikely that an Italian restaurant chain would offer fugu fish, the sale of which is not permitted in the UK.

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  • @Corvinus
    Indeed, I proved that you are skirting the issue like an SJW. Under the Putin regime, the body count of his enemies has grown. And somehow 34 Russian journalists in the last decade just “died”?

    Occam’s Razor applies here.

    Ron really needs to add an “Idiot” button.

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    In Corvinus’ case, a “cuck” button would be more appropriate.
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  • @FB
    Hi Corvanus...

    Agreed...but you have proved plenty...enjoy...


    https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/recruitment-cv-resumes-promotions-village_idiots-towns-jdon178_low.jpg

    Indeed, I proved that you are skirting the issue like an SJW. Under the Putin regime, the body count of his enemies has grown. And somehow 34 Russian journalists in the last decade just “died”?

    Occam’s Razor applies here.

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    Ron really needs to add an "Idiot" button.
    , @CanSpeccy

    And somehow 34 Russian journalists in the last decade just “died”?
     
    You mean like that German journalist who said that for years he'd written lies for the CIA and who then "just "died""?
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  • @ChuckOrloski
    Rurik wrote:
    "This is one reason I’m occasionally critical of Christianity, because while the Christians are turning the other cheek, their enemies are plotting (and realizing) their absolute destruction."

    Hi Rurik,

    Regarding words above, you are not alone in criticizing Christianity.

    I have no idea on how many either practicing or crypto-satanists post comments here at U.R., but I intuit how they must delight with the very small percentage of Christians, past & present, who actually obey The Christ's plea to "Love thine Enemy."

    One thing to keep in mind, Brother Rurik?

    When mere Zionist-studs like Trump & Netanyahu threaten Syria & Iran with "absolute destruction," they are simply not on-the-same spiritual wavelength as was the (only begotten) Son who typically promised tenacious followers everlasting life in "the Kingdom to come."

    At any rate, please recall how happy was 1984's "Big Brother" when the pummeled Winston Smith finally came to love him?

    Thanks, sore cheeks and... uh, Christos voskres 99 X's!

    Regarding words above, you are not alone in criticizing Christianity.

    In my very humble opinion, “Christianity” died when the anointed one got his tusch tacked to the cross. Even before he gasped his last breath, there is no doubt that distortions of whatever he taught took root.

    Christianity as we now know it really became perverted the minute it became an institution and it’s been downhill ever since.

    Julian the Apostate had a lot to say about it and it’s too bad that the “Christians” of the time probably destroyed the bulk of what he wrote.

    Many of us would be much happier if we learned to put little or no trust in institutions, to think for ourselves, and if we were aware that the State is a religion subject to the usual degeneration as well.

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  • @Miro23

    ... so for all our kindnesses, we will surely be punished, perhaps off the planet, if we’re only kind and fair and thoughtful and loving enough!
     
    In Game Theory this is a losing strategy. It only works in a protected high trust environment (where it works very well). The problem is cheaters.

    When you introduce cheaters in a more atomized competitive environment, a Tit-for-Tat strategy is the clear winner:


    An agent using this strategy will first cooperate, then subsequently replicate an opponent's previous action. If the opponent previously was cooperative, the agent is cooperative. If not, the agent is not. This is similar to superrationality and reciprocal altruism in biology.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat
     

    This means that for every individual contact you at first cooperate - and test the result. If it is positive (both gain) then next time round you cooperate again. Conversely, if it is negative (cheating), then the cheater is excluded (non-cooperation) next time round. The strategy quickly cleans out bad players and builds positive interactions.

    Following this line, an event like 9/11 (cheating) should have stopped all interaction and cooperation with Israel and US Zionists. This would have been a positive tit-for-tat result for the US, but was prevented by cloaking (i.e. the cheating was hidden or blamed on others, and key players on the US team are turned - they are traitors and secretly play for the cheaters).

    There's also the religious aspect of " kind and fair and thoughtful and loving" that's probably worth considering.

    The modern West grew out of Medieval Europe where institutionalized Christianity dominated every aspect of daily life. The idea was that you were born an sinner and permanently guilty (need for repentance and exemplary behaviour). IMO this conditioning is still there in European populations, making them uniquely vulnerable to "guilt tripping" in a way that neutralizes Tit-for-Tat.

    It's interesting that when Hitler excluded Jews from Germany he also threw out Christianity, seeing it as the enemy of the German people, " The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them."

    It’s interesting that when Hitler excluded Jews…

    You got that backwards. The reality is bit more nuanced than that, but only a bit.

    A bigger truth is that some Jews excluded themselves from Germany, some Jews, (Zionists included) worked with the Nazis, and many were indifferent. Some Jews prospered under the Nazis while some chose to view them as a threat.

    I find it very interesting that the biggest opponents to Hitler were not Jews in Germany, but those living in New York, many of whom were rich Reds.

    Hitler, in fact, was likely much more interested in eliminating the Bolshie threat than excluding Jews qua Jews, and any resistance to that idea is a result of brainwashing with wartime propaganda.

    Many people wanted German Jews to leave for Palestine.

    Mr. Brandeis in America similarly, and imperially, decreed that “No Jew must live in Germany”. Mr. Churchill desired that “three or four million Jews” should be transplanted to Palestine; the Communist state, by profession anti-Zionist, supplied the first contingent of these.

    When the smoke of battle cleared only three purposes had been achieved, none of them disclosed at its start: the world-revolution, with Western arms and support, had advanced to the middle of Europe; Zionism had been armed to establish itself in Palestine by force; the “world-government”, obviously the result which these two convergent forces were intended to produce, had been set up anew in embryo form, this time in New York. The war behind the war was the true one; it was fought to divert the arms, manpower and treasure of the West to these purposes.

    -Douglas Reed, “the Controversy of Zion,” p 333 (written ~1955 )

    https://archive.org/stream/TheControversyOfZion/TheControversyOfZion_djvu.txt

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    As usual it’s impossible to discern what point you’re trying to make, but this caper has been nothing but a fiasco for the British government (who deserve far, far worse than humiliation).

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/new-developments-in-the-skripal-drama-police-statement-opcw-report-release.html#more

    As usual it’s impossible to discern what point you’re trying to make…

    The point is that we’re supposed to be awed by the gibberish of modern day oracles.

    The professor must be an obscurantist or he is nothing; he has a special and unmatchable talent for dullness, his central aim is not to expose the truth clearly, but to exhibit his profundity, his esotericity – in brief to stagger sophomores and other professors.

    H. L. Mencken

    — Ch. 15 “The Dismal Science”

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    False memory syndrome
    https://www.britannica.com/science/false-memory-syndrome

    . . .also called recovered memory, pseudomemory, and memory distortion, the experience, usually in the context of adult psychotherapy, of seeming to remember events that never actually occurred. These pseudomemories are often quite vivid and emotionally charged, especially those representing acts of abuse or violence committed against the subject during childhood.

    . . .
    certain therapeutic practices are considered likely to reinforce and encourage their creation. For example, some therapists use hypnosis or techniques of “guided imagery” on clients who appear to be suffering from the suppression of memories of emotionally disturbing events, often experienced during childhood. Encouraged to visualize episodes of violence or abuse during therapy, clients may subsequently have difficulty separating these imaginary events from reality. Researchers have found that people who “recover” pseudomemories of trauma are often more suggestible and more prone to dissociate—that is, to feel separated from their actual experiences—than most other people. . .
    https://www.britannica.com/science/false-memory-syndrome
     

    In the early- to mid-1980s, Zevi Weiss led an organization that eventually inserted "expanded consciousness of the holocaust" in American universities, military academies, then public secondary and primary schools. But Weiss's first project was to collect the memories of holocaust survivors. These persons were identified and interviewed by Jewish volunteers who were mental health professionals. The memories of these survivors formed a footing for "holocaust awareness" to be expanded into the consciousness of Americans in all its educational institutions.
    https://www.amazon.com/Expanding-Historical-Counsciousness-Development-Educational/dp/0810114534/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1523579957&sr=8-1&keywords=expanding+consciousness+holocaust

    Recently, Unzite redmudhooch alerted the forum to the "Never Again Education Act" making its way through US Congress.
    According to Jewish News Syndicate (JNS) --


    ‘Never Again Education Act’ to teach American students about the Holocaust
    Proposed legislation, if passed in the U.S. House of Representatives, would grant money raised through donations to American schools as part of the Holocaust Education Assistance Program.

    A draft of the “Never Again Education Act” calls Holocaust education “a national imperative to educate students in the United States so that they may explore the lessons that the Holocaust provides for all people, sensitize communities to the circumstances that gave rise to the Holocaust, and help youth be less susceptible to the falsehood of Holocaust denial and distortion and to the destructive messages of hate that arise from Holocaust denial and distortion.”

    New York Rep. Carolyn Maloney, the lead sponsor of the legislation, will promote the bill on Tuesday at the Olga Lengyel Institute for Holocaust Studies and Human Rights in New York City, accompanied by representatives of Hadassah, B’nai B’rith International and the Association of Holocaust Organizations.

    Also sponsoring the bill are Reps. Peter Roskam (R-Ill.); Ted Deutch (D-Fla.); Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.); Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.); Kay Granger (R-Texas); Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.); and Dan Donovan (R-N.Y.). Lowey and Granger both sit on the House of Appropriations Subcommittee. https://www.jns.org/never-again-education-act-to-educate-american-students-about-the-holocaust/
     

    This is pernicious and must be confronted and stopped, as an infringement on the First Amendment to the US Constitution: it amounts to the imposition of a dogmatized narrative, to which neither critical analysis nor counterbalancing information is tolerated, which puts it in the category of enforcement a religious belief, at taxpayer expense in US taxpayer institutions.

    [nb. earlier I posted a video presentation to the Justice for Germans society by Frank Raymond. I notice that that video has been rendered "unavailable" where it was posted on Unz forum. It still exists on the web --

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwPgPlzeEZA

    Thanks so much for calling my attention to all that. I missed redmudhooch’s comment and now I’ll have to be alert for them.

    The best antidote I’ve found to all of this crackpot brainwashing is to simply raise the question about the veracity of it all. Kids are capable of sorting through a lot of BS in the right environment, and when they learn to question things, they can connect the dots.

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  • @Twodees Partain
    "Britain has a vast culture of social climbing so many who consider themselves to be Establishment may not actually be considered as such by others."

    So true, that. Hearing the explanation of the difference between a cad and a bounder, that view of social position is obvious. Not being an upper class Brit, I'm not sure that I have it right, but; a cad is an upper class person who behaves abominably while a bounder is a social climber who can't resist trying to bump up against his betters.

    That's why a cad can never be a bounder or vice versa, at least if I'm understanding the explanation I heard.

    …but a cad is an upper class person who behaves abominably while a bounder is a social climber who can’t resist trying to bump up against his betters…

    The first time I ever heard the word “cad” was when a woman, an English major, who was in hot pursuit of me called me that. While she got the “behaving abominably” part correct, she was wrong about the rest.

    I think it was the abominable part that attracted her; nevertheless she was no shirker in that department either if ya get the drift…

    Ah, the old days! ;)

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    The explanation I read somewhere long ago was in response to someone having called someone "a cad and a bounder", and it was explained that a cad couldn't be a bounder because of the social differences between the two types.

    Funny stuff.
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  • @SolontoCroesus

    While you choose to desecrate the memory of the Holocaust
     
    Nonsensical statement.

    How can one desecrate the memory of a phantasm?

    What huge imago made
    A psychopathic god?

    While you choose to desecrate the memory of the Holocaust

    Nonsensical statement.

    The real holocaust consisted of the horrors many tens of millions of “Christians” suffered at the hands of the bankers, usurers and Red millionaires of the time, maybe that’s what was being referred to. ;)

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  • @Cloak And Dagger
    The Liars have started bombing Syria! God help us all.

    Cloak and Dagger announced:
    “The Liars have started bombing Syria! God help us all.”

    Hi C & D,

    I appreciate your piercing-comment (above) which is in perfect synch with Phil Giraldi’s article title, “Liars lying about everything.”

    Unfortunately, American citizens are conditioned to accept new & bigger ZUS government lies soon after terrible old whoppers are assigned to the Jewish Neoconservative “Memory Hole.”

    Since you mentioned humanity’s oft common plea, “God help us all,” please consider reading (below) the brave words of Jonas E. Alexis, published on this fateful morning by “Veterans Today.”

    “In short, by allying with the Israeli regime and the Neoconservative ideology in order to destroy Syria, Trump has found himself in bed with Satanism, which seeks to subvert the moral and political order. In that sense, Trump is seeking World War III in Syria for Israel. In that sense, Trump is not working for the American people.”

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    Indeed.

    From Gilad Atzmon:

    https://youtu.be/CpdT79rm1ts

    How Israel Postponed WW3 (inadvertently)


    In 2014 Sky owner and media mogul Rupert Murdoch won the ADL Award. The honour was clearly awarded for a reason. On occasion, Sky changes itself into a state propaganda service. The video above shows such an event . Sky crudely cut off the former commander of the British Armed Forces, Jonathan Shaw, as soon as he went ‘off script’ by suggesting that the Syrian regime couldn’t have been behind the Douma gas attack. General Shaw attempted to point out that chemical warfare is a desperate act, not something you would expect from the Assad regime that has basically won.

    Before yesterday, I had not believed that America would be foolish enough to lead an attack on Syria. My rationale was simple. The Russians have recently deployed their most sophisticated, yet untested, S-400 air defence system in Syria. The Russian S-400 is designed to intercept America’s 1970’s technology Tomahawk cruise missiles. I thought that it could be a fatal blow to America and to NATO to be in a situation in which many of its Tomahawk Missiles targeting Syria were downed by a Russian anti aircraft system. I was pretty sure that American military leaders wouldn’t take such a risk and certainly not for Israel. I was wrong. America, Britain and France did take that risk. According to the Russians and the Syrians most of the cruise missiles were downed. If Syria and Russia are telling the truth, NATO is an obsolete military joke. Maybe we should actually thank Israel for bringing this all to light.

    Israeli press reported last week that in a telephone conversation PM Netanyahu and President Trump grew tense over Trump’s announced intent to withdraw US forces from Syria. We know that Israel has been distressed by Assad’s victory. Israel can’t bear the alliance among Hezbollah, Iran, Assad, Turkey and Russia that is happening on its northern border. Israel has openly announced its refusal to allow Iran to gain momentum in Syria.

    Israel wanted to see someone, like the USA and NATO, to get involved in escalating the opposition to Assad. So it is not exactly surprising that that the three countries that were willing to provide what Israel wanted are the three countries notorious for their forceful and hawkish Jewish lobbies. In the USA, AIPAC’s domination of foreign affairs has been the subject of extensive academic research. In Britain 80% of the Tory MPs are members of the belligerent Conservative Friends of Israel and in France the CRIF (Representative Council of Jewish Institutions in France) is known to be the most forceful body in the land.

    Earlier this week it seemed as if WW3 might be close. No careful observer of the Middle East could miss that Israel and its supportive pro war lobbies have been, somehow, at the centre of all of it. But now it seems that Israel and its lobbies have pushed America, Britain and France to act against their own national interests. This morning, following the recent criminal, yet futile, attack on Syria it is clear that NATO isn’t exactly a military powerhouse. It is a decaying Zionist tool. It is not ready for a war. For the time being WW3 has been postponed. I guess we can at least be grateful to Israel for that.
     
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  • @Twodees Partain
    "Britain has a vast culture of social climbing so many who consider themselves to be Establishment may not actually be considered as such by others."

    So true, that. Hearing the explanation of the difference between a cad and a bounder, that view of social position is obvious. Not being an upper class Brit, I'm not sure that I have it right, but; a cad is an upper class person who behaves abominably while a bounder is a social climber who can't resist trying to bump up against his betters.

    That's why a cad can never be a bounder or vice versa, at least if I'm understanding the explanation I heard.

    I really cannot say as I haven’t lived there in quite some time but I don’t think either term is in common usage and I’ve certainly never been called either. I’ve mostly been called a prick, but I just assumed that it was a form of flattery.

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    I've also always taken that as a compliment on my manhood. ;-)
    , @Wizard of Oz
    The last time I heard the words used were by an old Harvard man in Boston qute a long time ago when he referred to Prince Philip as a cad and a bounder (at least I think it was Prince Philip in reference in some way to the fact that Prince Edward had just turned up in Boston to receive an award).
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  • @Kratoklastes
    I've never been a fan of those guys, but the 'topper' was when the only thing they could find to execute Saddam Hussein for, was that Hussein supposedly had 140-odd people executed after an assassination attempt.

    That's some chutzpah from the Western political scumbags, given what happened to Fallujah: an entire town was destroyed, every MAM (military aged male) who didn't evacuate was executed, and ambulances were strafed... as a collective punishment for the combat deaths of 4 mercenaries. Sure, their corpses were desecrated, but so what? To paraphrase the US sociopath in the 'Collateral Murder' video: "they shouldn'a brung themselves to a war zone".

    I can only wonder what would have been visited on Dujail if there had been an attempt on the life of a visiting US dignitary: under the gentle ministrations of NATO/US 'responsibility to protect', 140-odd deaths is not even a bad weekend.

    Indeed. I’ve often wondered what kind of administration an American president might run if he knew that his SS protection ended when he left office, or how a senator might behave if he had no SS protection when he went out among the people subject to his rule.

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  • @Vojkan
    I happen to speak a Slavic language natively, Serbian, and though I don't speak Russian, I seldom need a dictionary when I read it. I know how Slavic languages are structured, how Latin languages are structured, French is my second mother tongue and I also seldom need a dictionary when I read Spanish and Italian. I read Shakespeare in the original without a dictionary. The structure of a language is closely related to the way people native in that language structure their thoughts.
    If the German make Porsche, BMW, and Mercedes, and Americans make Intel and Apple, it has a lot to do with the German and English languages respectively, just as Sukhoi has a lot to do with the way the Russian language is structured.
    There is no way a native Russian speaker would have concocted that statement and there is no way that could be a literal translation of a statement Yulia Skripal made without "assistance". It is just too pretentious English to be true.

    “There is no way a native Russian speaker would have concocted that statement and there is no way that could be a literal translation of a statement Yulia Skripal made without “assistance”. It is just too pretentious English to be true.”

    Yes, that makes sense to me. A translation would include substitution of a term of similar meaning when a direct translation wouldn’t deliver the proper idea expressed.

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    The term The Establishment is not fixed and varies according to how it is used and by whom. It certainly has a different meaning than it did at the beginning of the last century. Britain has a vast culture of social climbing so many who consider themselves to be Establishment may not actually be considered as such by others.

    RT produced a documentary that went into great detail about how Sir Jim had special privileges at certain boys homes due to his charity work including selecting some for day trips out with him including on Heath's yatch. I think he joined Thatcher for Christmas dinner IIRC, though I don't think little boys were being served up on that occasion.

    I really don't care a rodent's patootie where Annamarie lives or how she derives income but I would say that her comments are usually accompanied by links to validate that which she has written and she generally receives far more praise from other commenters than she does criticism.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10950111/The-alleged-paedophile-ring-at-the-heart-of-the-British-Establishment.html

    “Britain has a vast culture of social climbing so many who consider themselves to be Establishment may not actually be considered as such by others.”

    So true, that. Hearing the explanation of the difference between a cad and a bounder, that view of social position is obvious. Not being an upper class Brit, I’m not sure that I have it right, but; a cad is an upper class person who behaves abominably while a bounder is a social climber who can’t resist trying to bump up against his betters.

    That’s why a cad can never be a bounder or vice versa, at least if I’m understanding the explanation I heard.

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    I really cannot say as I haven't lived there in quite some time but I don't think either term is in common usage and I've certainly never been called either. I've mostly been called a prick, but I just assumed that it was a form of flattery.
    , @jacques sheete

    ...but a cad is an upper class person who behaves abominably while a bounder is a social climber who can’t resist trying to bump up against his betters...
     
    The first time I ever heard the word "cad" was when a woman, an English major, who was in hot pursuit of me called me that. While she got the "behaving abominably" part correct, she was wrong about the rest.

    I think it was the abominable part that attracted her; nevertheless she was no shirker in that department either if ya get the drift...

    Ah, the old days! ;)

    , @CanSpeccy
    Cads and bounders have not existed in Britain since about 1914, except in the timeless novels of P.G. Wodehouse.
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  • @Twodees Partain
    "I would like to see Tony Blair or George W Bush travel in an open-topped vehicle through Iraq or Afghanistan:"

    Neither of those two can go anywhere without full security teams watching over them. Bush couldn't ride through Dallas in an open convertible, let alone anywhere in the middle east. He and Blair are unsafe in their own homes.

    I’ve never been a fan of those guys, but the ‘topper’ was when the only thing they could find to execute Saddam Hussein for, was that Hussein supposedly had 140-odd people executed after an assassination attempt.

    That’s some chutzpah from the Western political scumbags, given what happened to Fallujah: an entire town was destroyed, every MAM (military aged male) who didn’t evacuate was executed, and ambulances were strafed… as a collective punishment for the combat deaths of 4 mercenaries. Sure, their corpses were desecrated, but so what? To paraphrase the US sociopath in the ‘Collateral Murder’ video: “they shouldn’a brung themselves to a war zone“.

    I can only wonder what would have been visited on Dujail if there had been an attempt on the life of a visiting US dignitary: under the gentle ministrations of NATO/US ‘responsibility to protect’, 140-odd deaths is not even a bad weekend.

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    Indeed. I've often wondered what kind of administration an American president might run if he knew that his SS protection ended when he left office, or how a senator might behave if he had no SS protection when he went out among the people subject to his rule.
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  • @CanSpeccy

    What would be the point
     
    To provide victims. Otherwise it would have been known and likely made public that no poisoning victims had been admitted to hospital.

    The Skripals, whether witting or otherwise, were the victims, though poisoned not by Novichok but by their seafood lunch.

    In addition, the success of the operation depended on providing the OPCW with blood samples from Novichok exposed victims of poisoning, which is what the charade made possible.

    However, the samples were not, as generally assumed, from victims poisoned by a nerve agent, hence the wording of Dr. Davies's letter. Rather, they were samples from people treated with a nerve agent.

    I saw speculation somewhere that they partook of fugu sushi. No corroboration.

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    Fugu or pufferfish, produces tetrodotoxin, a sodium channel blocker the effect of which would not likely be much if at all reversed by Novichok, an acetylcholine esterase inhibitor. However, It seems unlikely that an Italian restaurant chain would offer fugu fish, the sale of which is not permitted in the UK.
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  • @Mike P
    What would be the point of this torture? No evidence of clinical manifestations of the supposed poisoning has been shown to the public. Why should we assume anything at all has happened?

    What would be the point

    To provide victims. Otherwise it would have been known and likely made public that no poisoning victims had been admitted to hospital.

    The Skripals, whether witting or otherwise, were the victims, though poisoned not by Novichok but by their seafood lunch.

    In addition, the success of the operation depended on providing the OPCW with blood samples from Novichok exposed victims of poisoning, which is what the charade made possible.

    However, the samples were not, as generally assumed, from victims poisoned by a nerve agent, hence the wording of Dr. Davies’s letter. Rather, they were samples from people treated with a nerve agent.

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    I saw speculation somewhere that they partook of fugu sushi. No corroboration.
    , @CanSpeccy
    In light of the report by the Spiez Laboratory of the Swiss Federal Office for Civil Protection that the Skripals were poisoned with 3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate, aka, BZ or Buzz, a recognized antimusgarinic pharmacolical agent similar in its effects to Novichok. If confirmed, this finding establishes, as I have discussed here, that the Skripal poisoning saga is a ridiculous charade written and carried out by buffoons with little relevant knowledge other than of how to so shape the lips, tongue and larynx as to emit a cloud of lies potentially culminating in a nuclear conflagration.
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  • Vanessa Beeley wrote from Damascus -

    “40 minutes of cruise missiles across Syria

    Syria and Russia responding”

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  • @CanSpeccy
    Having reworked and extended my piece Novichok: Russia's Antidote to Seafood Poisoning I am more inclined than before to believe it possible that the Skripals were treated with Novichok as an antidote to botulinum toxin, it being the case that the one nerve agent, because of a difference in mode of action, could be an effective antidote to the other nerve agent, as I explain in the piece linked above.

    To be credible, the theory must presume orchestration of the entire sequence of events. Thus, the botulinum toxin must have been deliberately administered as a sub-lethal dose in the seafood lunch that the Skripals consumed several hours before they were taken ill. (Although botulinum toxin can occur in seafood, it does not occur in fresh seafood — as opposed to canned food, since Clostridium botulinum only produces the toxin under anoxic conditions.)

    But if the affair was orchestrated, the Skripals were surely participants rather than victims in the operation, a plausible assumption since Sergei Skripal is known to have worked for MI6 and may have resumed his service to them on release from Russian gaol.

    So how was it worked?

    I suggest that there was a small dose of botulinum toxin added to their seafood lunch, which caused illness several hours later, but not the vomiting and convulsions as reported by the doctor who attended on them and asked that her name not be released to the public. Rather the illness would have been manifest as the paralysis characteristic of botulism. If that assumption is correct, then we must assume that the attending, unidentified doctor who described the Skripals' symptons as those of poisoning by a nerve agent of the Novichok type, is an agent of MI6 and that she deliberately misled the media.

    Once received at the Salisbury Trust Hospital, experts in nerve agent poisoning at the nearby British Chemical and Biological Weapons research establishment would have been consulted, which would have created the opportunity for them to supply the hospital with British-made Novichok as an antidote to botulinum toxin, the mechanism whereby one nerve agent counteracts another being described in my above-linked post. The identity of this antidote may well not have been disclosed to the Hospital staff.

    After that, the Skripals may have been kept in a more or less comotose state with, perhaps repeated small doses of botulinum toxin, which would have necessitated continual infusions of Novichok to prevent paralysis and death by asphyxiation. That would explain why, weeks after the initial poisoning, blood samples of the "victims" still contained detectable quantities of Novichok. It would also explain why Yulia Skripal, though released from hospital, is in UK police custody.

    The objective now, if the above scenario is a more or less accurate representation of actual events, must be to keep the Skripals out of the hands of the Russian state, where they could be forced to disclose their complicity in a psyop. perpetrated to undermine the credibility and moral standing of the Russian government.

    What would be the point of this torture? No evidence of clinical manifestations of the supposed poisoning has been shown to the public. Why should we assume anything at all has happened?

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    What would be the point
     
    To provide victims. Otherwise it would have been known and likely made public that no poisoning victims had been admitted to hospital.

    The Skripals, whether witting or otherwise, were the victims, though poisoned not by Novichok but by their seafood lunch.

    In addition, the success of the operation depended on providing the OPCW with blood samples from Novichok exposed victims of poisoning, which is what the charade made possible.

    However, the samples were not, as generally assumed, from victims poisoned by a nerve agent, hence the wording of Dr. Davies's letter. Rather, they were samples from people treated with a nerve agent.
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  • The Liars have started bombing Syria! God help us all.

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    Cloak and Dagger announced:
    "The Liars have started bombing Syria! God help us all."

    Hi C & D,

    I appreciate your piercing-comment (above) which is in perfect synch with Phil Giraldi's article title, "Liars lying about everything."

    Unfortunately, American citizens are conditioned to accept new & bigger ZUS government lies soon after terrible old whoppers are assigned to the Jewish Neoconservative "Memory Hole."

    Since you mentioned humanity's oft common plea, "God help us all," please consider reading (below) the brave words of Jonas E. Alexis, published on this fateful morning by "Veterans Today."

    "In short, by allying with the Israeli regime and the Neoconservative ideology in order to destroy Syria, Trump has found himself in bed with Satanism, which seeks to subvert the moral and political order. In that sense, Trump is seeking World War III in Syria for Israel. In that sense, Trump is not working for the American people."
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  • @Svigor

    Svigor still hasn’t learned to use the reply key. I once thought that maybe he didn’t use the key so that those he addressed in his shitposts wouldn’t see that he had replied to them, but decided that is giving him credit for a little basic intelligence.

    There’s no hope for such a ninny.

     

    Svigor has explained to you nitwits many times that he keeps Javascript turned off (I know, I know; using a browser in ways not recommended by Big Brother does not compute), and last he heard, the reply button relies on Javascript.

    Sviggy, I use a linux distro with an old version of FF for internet browsing, and have never had any java platform (or Flash) to use, yet this site displays perfectly and all the features work. You’re just too retarded to use the site features, and you’re probably flogging away on a windows 10 machine with IE as your browser. The last you heard, Windoze was the very last word in operating systems.

    BTW, I don’t know what you’ve explained because I rarely read any of your dimbulb dronings. You’ve been on my ignore list for a long time.

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  • @Kratoklastes
    I have that series saved to my hard drive, but have watched less than half of it.

    Even in Toland's book, there are quite a few things that are really jarring (for those who are used to the 'cartoon villain' version) - for example when Hitler is told by a visiting English diplomat that the diplomat had gone hunting (with Goering and von Ribbentrop), Hitler reportedly said

    "Pathetic - I cannot understand people who think it manly to kill an innocent animal using a refined piece of modern technology. May as well go to a slaughterhouse and shoot a cow.".

     

    The diplomat was very put out by that.

    For me the footage with his dogs is hard to get past: the dogs are obviously very fond of him.

    Dogs are good source of insight into their owners' character; the guy was known to be very volatile (i.e., he had a temper). So it says a lot that he clearly never took out his mood on his dogs (or if he did, never to an extent that made them scared of him).

    An animal-loving, non-smoking vegetarian who was never the subject of a domestic assassination attempt - that's hard to square with the 'wild-eyed homicidal evil maniac'.

    He even travelled in open-top vehicles through occupied Poland and Czechoslovakia - whereas Heydrich got assassinated. (I would like to see Tony Blair or George W Bush travel in an open-topped vehicle through Iraq or Afghanistan: methinks they would be torn apart by locals with their bare hands).

    At the end of the day Hitler was still a politician, so I hold no brief for him - but when I'm instructed that I must hate some historical individual, I always want to know what the real story is.

    “I would like to see Tony Blair or George W Bush travel in an open-topped vehicle through Iraq or Afghanistan:”

    Neither of those two can go anywhere without full security teams watching over them. Bush couldn’t ride through Dallas in an open convertible, let alone anywhere in the middle east. He and Blair are unsafe in their own homes.

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    I've never been a fan of those guys, but the 'topper' was when the only thing they could find to execute Saddam Hussein for, was that Hussein supposedly had 140-odd people executed after an assassination attempt.

    That's some chutzpah from the Western political scumbags, given what happened to Fallujah: an entire town was destroyed, every MAM (military aged male) who didn't evacuate was executed, and ambulances were strafed... as a collective punishment for the combat deaths of 4 mercenaries. Sure, their corpses were desecrated, but so what? To paraphrase the US sociopath in the 'Collateral Murder' video: "they shouldn'a brung themselves to a war zone".

    I can only wonder what would have been visited on Dujail if there had been an attempt on the life of a visiting US dignitary: under the gentle ministrations of NATO/US 'responsibility to protect', 140-odd deaths is not even a bad weekend.

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  • @Miro23

    What is the source for the quote you rely upon to support your (tendentious) claim that Hitler “threw out Christianity?”
     
    MONARCHY & RELIGION - (15) "Both are institutions that naturally developed in the direction of ceremonial and solemnity. But all that apparatus no longer means anything when the power that lay beneath it has disappeared." (145) "Just like the throne and the altar in former times so now the Jews and the political profiteers form a silent association for the common exploitation of the democratic milch cow." (4) The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them." (125) "To avoid making myself an accomplice to the lies, I've kept the shavelings out of the Party."

    CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS - (235) "I contented myself with shooting one hundred and thirty of these self-styled Bible Students (Bibelforscher). Incidentally the execution of these one hundred and thirty cleared the air, just like a thunderstorm does. When news of the shootings was made public, many thousands of similarly minded people who proposed to avoid military service on the score of some religious scruple or other lost their courage and changed their minds."

    Hitler's Table Talk (Conversation Nº) with an introduction by H. R. Trevor-Roper, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, London 1953.

    iow “Hitler threw out Christianity” was not policy, or legislation, or an agenda item, it was the equivalent of cocktail party chatter, the authenticity of which is challenged on several aspects, not least that the original manuscript was only discovered, and now is missing.

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  • @Miro23

    What is the source for the quote you rely upon to support your (tendentious) claim that Hitler “threw out Christianity?”
     
    MONARCHY & RELIGION - (15) "Both are institutions that naturally developed in the direction of ceremonial and solemnity. But all that apparatus no longer means anything when the power that lay beneath it has disappeared." (145) "Just like the throne and the altar in former times so now the Jews and the political profiteers form a silent association for the common exploitation of the democratic milch cow." (4) The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them." (125) "To avoid making myself an accomplice to the lies, I've kept the shavelings out of the Party."

    CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS - (235) "I contented myself with shooting one hundred and thirty of these self-styled Bible Students (Bibelforscher). Incidentally the execution of these one hundred and thirty cleared the air, just like a thunderstorm does. When news of the shootings was made public, many thousands of similarly minded people who proposed to avoid military service on the score of some religious scruple or other lost their courage and changed their minds."

    Hitler's Table Talk (Conversation Nº) with an introduction by H. R. Trevor-Roper, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, London 1953.

    Hi Miro23,

    Ideally it’s needless to lecture you on the pervasive Zionist spin placed upon pre & post WW II history.

    For an example, I read Ralf Georg Reuth’s book, “Goebbles.”

    The author made a case that Goebbels’ father wanted to throw him out of the family because his son deserted from Christianity.

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  • @SolontoCroesus
    What is the source for the quote you rely upon to support your (tendentious) claim that Hitler "threw out Christianity?"

    What is the source for the quote you rely upon to support your (tendentious) claim that Hitler “threw out Christianity?”

    MONARCHY & RELIGION – (15) “Both are institutions that naturally developed in the direction of ceremonial and solemnity. But all that apparatus no longer means anything when the power that lay beneath it has disappeared.” (145) “Just like the throne and the altar in former times so now the Jews and the political profiteers form a silent association for the common exploitation of the democratic milch cow.” (4) The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them.” (125) “To avoid making myself an accomplice to the lies, I’ve kept the shavelings out of the Party.”

    CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS – (235) “I contented myself with shooting one hundred and thirty of these self-styled Bible Students (Bibelforscher). Incidentally the execution of these one hundred and thirty cleared the air, just like a thunderstorm does. When news of the shootings was made public, many thousands of similarly minded people who proposed to avoid military service on the score of some religious scruple or other lost their courage and changed their minds.”

    Hitler’s Table Talk (Conversation Nº) with an introduction by H. R. Trevor-Roper, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, London 1953.

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    Hi Miro23,

    Ideally it's needless to lecture you on the pervasive Zionist spin placed upon pre & post WW II history.

    For an example, I read Ralf Georg Reuth's book, "Goebbles."

    The author made a case that Goebbels' father wanted to throw him out of the family because his son deserted from Christianity.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    iow "Hitler threw out Christianity" was not policy, or legislation, or an agenda item, it was the equivalent of cocktail party chatter, the authenticity of which is challenged on several aspects, not least that the original manuscript was only discovered, and now is missing.
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  • Having reworked and extended my piece Novichok: Russia’s Antidote to Seafood Poisoning I am more inclined than before to believe it possible that the Skripals were treated with Novichok as an antidote to botulinum toxin, it being the case that the one nerve agent, because of a difference in mode of action, could be an effective antidote to the other nerve agent, as I explain in the piece linked above.

    To be credible, the theory must presume orchestration of the entire sequence of events. Thus, the botulinum toxin must have been deliberately administered as a sub-lethal dose in the seafood lunch that the Skripals consumed several hours before they were taken ill. (Although botulinum toxin can occur in seafood, it does not occur in fresh seafood — as opposed to canned food, since Clostridium botulinum only produces the toxin under anoxic conditions.)

    But if the affair was orchestrated, the Skripals were surely participants rather than victims in the operation, a plausible assumption since Sergei Skripal is known to have worked for MI6 and may have resumed his service to them on release from Russian gaol.

    So how was it worked?

    I suggest that there was a small dose of botulinum toxin added to their seafood lunch, which caused illness several hours later, but not the vomiting and convulsions as reported by the doctor who attended on them and asked that her name not be released to the public. Rather the illness would have been manifest as the paralysis characteristic of botulism. If that assumption is correct, then we must assume that the attending, unidentified doctor who described the Skripals’ symptons as those of poisoning by a nerve agent of the Novichok type, is an agent of MI6 and that she deliberately misled the media.

    Once received at the Salisbury Trust Hospital, experts in nerve agent poisoning at the nearby British Chemical and Biological Weapons research establishment would have been consulted, which would have created the opportunity for them to supply the hospital with British-made Novichok as an antidote to botulinum toxin, the mechanism whereby one nerve agent counteracts another being described in my above-linked post. The identity of this antidote may well not have been disclosed to the Hospital staff.

    After that, the Skripals may have been kept in a more or less comotose state with, perhaps repeated small doses of botulinum toxin, which would have necessitated continual infusions of Novichok to prevent paralysis and death by asphyxiation. That would explain why, weeks after the initial poisoning, blood samples of the “victims” still contained detectable quantities of Novichok. It would also explain why Yulia Skripal, though released from hospital, is in UK police custody.

    The objective now, if the above scenario is a more or less accurate representation of actual events, must be to keep the Skripals out of the hands of the Russian state, where they could be forced to disclose their complicity in a psyop. perpetrated to undermine the credibility and moral standing of the Russian government.

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    What would be the point of this torture? No evidence of clinical manifestations of the supposed poisoning has been shown to the public. Why should we assume anything at all has happened?
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Update just for information from one organ of the MSM, the Japanese owned FT


    The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has confirmed Britain’s scientific analysis of the nerve agent used in last month’s Salisbury attack.

    The international watchdog said on Thursday that its team could “confirm the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people”.

    Former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal, his daughter Yulia Skripal and a policeman, Nick Bailey, were hospitalised after the poisoning on March 4.

    Mr Bailey was discharged last month, while Ms Skripal was released from hospital on Monday. On Wednesday, she issued a statement through the Metropolitan Police rejecting overtures from Russian officials who wanted to speak to her.

    The OPCW’s summary report did not name the compound, which Britain has said is a military grade nerve agent from the novichok family that was developed in Russia.

    However, it named the chemical in its “full classified report”, which was made available to 192 state parties, including Russia.

    The OPCW said the toxic chemical “was of high purity” — lending credence to the UK’s argument that only a state with a sophisticated laboratory could realistically have deployed the chemical.

    In response, the Russian foreign ministry said it would not believe any conclusions of the investigation until it was allowed to participate in the probe and given access to the samples used for identifying the substance the Skripals were attacked with. Moscow had asked to be part of the OPCW’s investigation, but lost a vote among member states last week.

    “We cannot support in advance the results of an investigation in which we are not participating and which are being kept secret,” said Maria Zakharova, foreign ministry spokeswoman.

    Ms Zakharova’s criticism of the OPCW came at the end of an hour-long monologue in which she accused the British authorities of detaining Ms Skripal against her own will.

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    Moscow also seized on comments made last week by the head of Porton Down, Britain’s military laboratory, who said his team had not identified the precise source of the novichok used in the Salisbury attack.

    The British government responded that its tracing was based on intelligence showing that Russia has produced novichok in the past decade and experimented with its use for assassination.

    A key member of the Soviet research team that developed novichok in the 1970s and 1980s has also sided with the British government in its dispute with Moscow. Vladimir Uglev said he was sure the compound used was one of those his team had first developed in 1975, but cautioned that it would be impossible to prove beyond doubt where the Salisbury nerve agent had originated.

    The survival of the Skripals has been used to raise doubts about whether novichok could have been used in the poisoning. However, experts have said that the effect of the nerve agent would have depended on how they came into contact with it and in what form.

    There can be no doubt what was used and there remains no alternative explanation about who was responsible — only Russia has the means, motive and record

    Boris Johnson
    The OPCW said it took “blood samples from the three affected individuals”, conducted “on-site sampling of environmental samples” at places where the chemical might have remained, and received splits of samples taken by the British authorities. It was also briefed by the UK government.

    Following the publication of the OPCW report on Thursday, Boris Johnson, UK foreign secretary, said: “There can be no doubt what was used and there remains no alternative explanation about who was responsible — only Russia has the means, motive and record.”

    “We will now work tirelessly with our partners to help stamp out the grotesque use of weapons of this kind and we have called a session of the OPCW executive council next Wednesday to discuss next steps,” he added. “The Kremlin must give answers.”

    Earlier on Thursday, Jeremy Fleming, the head of GCHQ, said Russia’s targeting of the Skripals was “stark” and “shocking” and demonstrated “how reckless Russia is prepared to be”.

    “It demonstrates how little the Kremlin cares for the international rules-based order . . . how comfortable they are at putting ordinary lives at risk,” he said.

    Additional reporting by David Bond in Manchester

    As long as they don’t unequivocally state that the investigating scientists themselves detected the poison in or on the bodies of the affected persons, it all means very little. Even if the poison were to be found on those people, it wouldn’t tell us where it came from.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    You prefer mild abuse to any attempt to actually answer my question I see. Is that a reflection of your capacity in matters intellectual?

    No, it’s a reflection of the person I’m dealing with.

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  • @annamaria
    "Yulia Skripal Is Plainly Incommunicado and Under Duress," by Craig Murray: https://www.globalresearch.ca/yulia-skripal-is-plainly-under-duress/5635804
    "Only the Russians have allowed us to hear the actual voice of Yulia Skripal, in that recorded conversation with her cousin. So the one thing we know for certain is that, at the very first opportunity she had, she called back to her cousin in Russia to let her know what is going on. If you can recall, until the Russians released that phone call, the British authorities were still telling lies that Sergei was in a coma and Yulia herself in a serious condition...
    The most probable explanation is that Yulia persuaded somebody else in the hospital to lend her a phone, without British officials realizing. That would explain why the first instinct of the British state and its lackey media was to doubt the authenticity of the call. It would explain why she was able to contradict the official narrative on their health, and why she couldn’t get a return call. It would, more importantly, explain why her family has not been able to hear her voice since. Nor has anybody else."
    -- She is held under arrest. She is a Russain citizen. The UK government has been violating the international law by preventing a representative of Russian Federation to visit a sick Russian citizen stranded in the UK.

    annamaria shared:
    “Yulia Skripal Is Plainly Incommunicado and Under Duress,” by Craig Murray: ”

    Hi annamaria,

    Do you think Yulia would have survived had either Russian SVR, CIA/Mossad/M16 agents actually desired otherwise?

    I do not.

    The Crown’s dark burden, Tessie May, succeeded at rendering the world ever more confused and “Under Duress.”

    Thanks for all education you provide!

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  • @Miro23

    ... so for all our kindnesses, we will surely be punished, perhaps off the planet, if we’re only kind and fair and thoughtful and loving enough!
     
    In Game Theory this is a losing strategy. It only works in a protected high trust environment (where it works very well). The problem is cheaters.

    When you introduce cheaters in a more atomized competitive environment, a Tit-for-Tat strategy is the clear winner:


    An agent using this strategy will first cooperate, then subsequently replicate an opponent's previous action. If the opponent previously was cooperative, the agent is cooperative. If not, the agent is not. This is similar to superrationality and reciprocal altruism in biology.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat
     

    This means that for every individual contact you at first cooperate - and test the result. If it is positive (both gain) then next time round you cooperate again. Conversely, if it is negative (cheating), then the cheater is excluded (non-cooperation) next time round. The strategy quickly cleans out bad players and builds positive interactions.

    Following this line, an event like 9/11 (cheating) should have stopped all interaction and cooperation with Israel and US Zionists. This would have been a positive tit-for-tat result for the US, but was prevented by cloaking (i.e. the cheating was hidden or blamed on others, and key players on the US team are turned - they are traitors and secretly play for the cheaters).

    There's also the religious aspect of " kind and fair and thoughtful and loving" that's probably worth considering.

    The modern West grew out of Medieval Europe where institutionalized Christianity dominated every aspect of daily life. The idea was that you were born an sinner and permanently guilty (need for repentance and exemplary behaviour). IMO this conditioning is still there in European populations, making them uniquely vulnerable to "guilt tripping" in a way that neutralizes Tit-for-Tat.

    It's interesting that when Hitler excluded Jews from Germany he also threw out Christianity, seeing it as the enemy of the German people, " The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them."

    What is the source for the quote you rely upon to support your (tendentious) claim that Hitler “threw out Christianity?”

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    What is the source for the quote you rely upon to support your (tendentious) claim that Hitler “threw out Christianity?”
     
    MONARCHY & RELIGION - (15) "Both are institutions that naturally developed in the direction of ceremonial and solemnity. But all that apparatus no longer means anything when the power that lay beneath it has disappeared." (145) "Just like the throne and the altar in former times so now the Jews and the political profiteers form a silent association for the common exploitation of the democratic milch cow." (4) The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them." (125) "To avoid making myself an accomplice to the lies, I've kept the shavelings out of the Party."

    CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTORS - (235) "I contented myself with shooting one hundred and thirty of these self-styled Bible Students (Bibelforscher). Incidentally the execution of these one hundred and thirty cleared the air, just like a thunderstorm does. When news of the shootings was made public, many thousands of similarly minded people who proposed to avoid military service on the score of some religious scruple or other lost their courage and changed their minds."

    Hitler's Table Talk (Conversation Nº) with an introduction by H. R. Trevor-Roper, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, London 1953.
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  • desecrate.askdefine.com

    Verb
    1 violate the sacred character of a place or language; “desecrate a cemetary”; “violate the sanctity of the church”; “profane the name of God” [syn: profane, outrage, violate]
    2 remove the consecration from a person or an object [syn: deconsecrate] [ant: consecrate]

    It is the moral duty of every human being to desecrate the Jewish holocaust narrative (and any other sacred historical narrative).

    History is no place for the sacred.

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  • While you choose to desecrate the memory of the Holocaust

    I love this shit. Jews desecrate every-fucking-thing anyone else believes in – it’s practically their national sport – but expect us to hold their mythos as sacred.

    Newsflash, the quickest way to get me to take a dump on any historical narrative is to declare it sacred. That goes double for any historical narrative sacred to Jews.

    Seriously, go fuck yourself.

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  • “Yulia Skripal Is Plainly Incommunicado and Under Duress,” by Craig Murray: https://www.globalresearch.ca/yulia-skripal-is-plainly-under-duress/5635804
    “Only the Russians have allowed us to hear the actual voice of Yulia Skripal, in that recorded conversation with her cousin. So the one thing we know for certain is that, at the very first opportunity she had, she called back to her cousin in Russia to let her know what is going on. If you can recall, until the Russians released that phone call, the British authorities were still telling lies that Sergei was in a coma and Yulia herself in a serious condition…
    The most probable explanation is that Yulia persuaded somebody else in the hospital to lend her a phone, without British officials realizing. That would explain why the first instinct of the British state and its lackey media was to doubt the authenticity of the call. It would explain why she was able to contradict the official narrative on their health, and why she couldn’t get a return call. It would, more importantly, explain why her family has not been able to hear her voice since. Nor has anybody else.”
    – She is held under arrest. She is a Russain citizen. The UK government has been violating the international law by preventing a representative of Russian Federation to visit a sick Russian citizen stranded in the UK.

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    annamaria shared:
    “Yulia Skripal Is Plainly Incommunicado and Under Duress,” by Craig Murray: "

    Hi annamaria,

    Do you think Yulia would have survived had either Russian SVR, CIA/Mossad/M16 agents actually desired otherwise?

    I do not.

    The Crown's dark burden, Tessie May, succeeded at rendering the world ever more confused and "Under Duress."

    Thanks for all education you provide!
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  • @Anon
    Here's a mind stretching thought for those who are fascinated by all the odd relics of real and mythical behaviour and status in British society.... Under which PM would Bill Cosby (UK TV star and family man) have become "Sir William". My nomination is John Major. And who would have trumped that by making him Lord Cosby? Who else but Tony Blair? For bonus marks: On what Bill or subject would Lord Cosby have made his maiden [sic] speech in the Lords?

    But does anyone really think he becomes *part of* the Establishment? As to my answers on that question wrt Jimmy Savile I think I missed the obvious. People like that are part of the powerful's privileged access to entertainment. Think court jesters, think Marilyn Monroe, think Frank Sinatra etc etc. What about the sleazy but perhaps charming party giver Stephen Ward who procured Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice-Davies (i.e. invited them to the same parties as randy ministers and spies)? No, you are not going to encourage annamaria in her out of her comfort/knowledge zone opinionating, are you?

    Your beloved Establishment includes the Pious Blair, a major war criminal, the verbose May (another major war-criminal-in-making), the clueless Gavin Williamson, and the clownish “passionate Zionist” Boris Johnson.
    You have carefully avoided responding to my mention of James Arbuthnot and his wife Emma Arbuthnot. His lordship is in service to the Friends of Israel and to weapon manufacturer. And her honor is a stain on the British judicial system.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/julian-assange-accused-of-cowardice-by-british-judge-2018-2

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  • @Anon
    Its a bit question begging for you to suppose that you know enough about what she had said to judge it absolutely or relatively well informed. After all any half educated Brit would know that "sir Savile" is only a usage one would expect from a truly foreign foreigner or a complete outsider and that's what you must be if you don't know that. Ted Heath himself illustrates the vagueness of the concept of the Establishment as he only became Establishment ex-officio as PM - at this point I decided to confirm my memory of when the usage "the Establishment" was coined and went to Wikipedia which is quite good at least on the UK. What is perfectly clear is that only some share of real power or influence can make you part of the Establishment and there was no way Jimmy Savile "embodied the Establishment" as annamaria erroneously stated.

    BTW I had certainly read of posthumous suggestions that Heath was a paedophile, though most people while he was alive would have accepted asexual as most likely. Why do you think he was a paedophile or that Jimmy Savile had anything to do with it? Sure one can find any amount of tabloid rubbish by Googling their names but I would have thought Matthew Parris's verdict "if Ted Heath was a paedophile then I'm an aardvark" is probably about as weighty as anything else I read. Or do you prefer the salacious imagination of Britain's marvellous bobbies?

    As to annamaria, aren't you a little curious as to what she actually knows about, and how - and why? Her devotion to the Russian cause is clear. Where do you think she lives? Do you see her as a totally free lance volunteer giving a huge amount of time or as paid agent?

    “paid agent”
    – You are a scoundrel, sir.

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  • @geokat62
    Our rulers have handed down their orders to their puppet:

    The Israel Project (TIP) CEO: U.S. Must Show Russia that a Permanent Iranian Presence in Syria is Unacceptable

    By withdrawing from Syria too soon, the United States would effectively hand over the country to Iran and Russia, risking a catastrophic “strategic collapse in a region long deemed vital to U.S. interests,” Joshua S. Block, CEO and President of The Israel Project, warned in an op-ed published in The Hill on Tuesday.

    “A lack of coherent strategy toward Syria is strengthening our adversaries and weakening our allies,” Block warned and “the power vacuum would immeasurably strengthen Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad and his evil regime propped up by his patrons Iran and Russia.”

    In Block’s view, “whatever the debate over the JCPOA — the nuclear agreement signed between Iran, six world powers and the European Union in 2015 — a robust consensus in Congress is needed that Iran’s military role in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and elsewhere must be countered.”

    “The United States needs to develop leverage to get Russia to tell the Iranians to leave Syria, and the best way to achieve that is to make clear to Moscow that we won’t leave before the Iranians are out of the picture,” he explained. “Anything short of that is not up for debate.”

    Block argued that America shouldn’t face those challenges alone and “should call upon our allies to increase their financial contributions — and to contribute more operationally.” He concluded: “The enemies we face are not just America’s enemies. They are enemies of the free world.”
     

    Meanwhile, former congressman Ron Paul, the only truth teller in that House of Whores, provides a good visual lesson about The Lobby’s approach:


    https://twitter.com/ronpaul/status/984050660902604800?s=21

    The key phrase in Block’s statement were these highlighted words:

    The United States needs to develop leverage to get Russia to tell the Iranians to leave Syria, and the best way to achieve that is to make clear to Moscow that we won’t leave before the Iranians are out of the picture,” he explained. “Anything short of that is not up for debate.”

    I think we all can agree that:

    1. the alleged popular uprising in Maidan (Ukraine),
    2. the alleged Novichok poisonings in Salisbury (England),
    3. the alleged accidental shoot down of a Russian fighter jet by the Turks, and
    4. their coup de grace, Bill Browder’s Herculean efforts to get Parliaments around the world to pass the Magnitsky Act to avenge the death of Browder’s “lawyer” Sergei Magnitsky.*

    are just a few examples of “the leverage” The Lobby had in mind.

    Eager to see what other forms of leverage (((they’ll))) dream up in the future.

    * Needless to say, Browder’s fairytales have been completely debunked by Andrey Nekrasov’s docu-drama, The Magnisky Act. Behind The Scenes and by Alex Krainer’s book, The Killing of William Browder.

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    MoA has far more intellectual honesty than you. (A rather low bar, admittedly, but still.)

    You prefer mild abuse to any attempt to actually answer my question I see. Is that a reflection of your capacity in matters intellectual?

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    No, it’s a reflection of the person I’m dealing with.
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  • @Vojkan
    I happen to speak a Slavic language natively, Serbian, and though I don't speak Russian, I seldom need a dictionary when I read it. I know how Slavic languages are structured, how Latin languages are structured, French is my second mother tongue and I also seldom need a dictionary when I read Spanish and Italian. I read Shakespeare in the original without a dictionary. The structure of a language is closely related to the way people native in that language structure their thoughts.
    If the German make Porsche, BMW, and Mercedes, and Americans make Intel and Apple, it has a lot to do with the German and English languages respectively, just as Sukhoi has a lot to do with the way the Russian language is structured.
    There is no way a native Russian speaker would have concocted that statement and there is no way that could be a literal translation of a statement Yulia Skripal made without "assistance". It is just too pretentious English to be true.

    No doubt Yulia Skripal had assistance in finalising her media release. So does every professional politician on occsions both important and routine. The Great Tweeter is often a remarkable exception.

    You are giving a version of the intuitively satisfying Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis which remains, after more than 80 years, a hypothesis abput which perhaps linguists like you may have something useful to say. However it, and your culture-language point, don’t really go to the question whether the English words used to represent Yulia Skripal’s thoughts actually do so fairly and accurately. It is not a general question relating to Russian culture so much as a question whether there is any problem in thinking an educated Russian might acknowledge that she could (theoretically) change her mind or say in a civil manner that she would be able to take the initiative in making contact if she did. I don’t think anything you say argues against that.

    You have prompted me to recall the name of a book I found instructive and entertaining 20 years ago and which you might enjoy. It is Polish Australian academic Anna Wirzbicka’s “Understanding Cultures Through Their Key Words: English, Russian, German, Polish, Japanese”. I recall little detail except the presumed enjoyment of a Pole who can point to the Russian proliferation of words for fool, dumb, idiot and so on. About her see

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Wierzbicka?wprov=sfla1

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    No doubt Yulia Skripal had assistance in finalising her media release. So does every professional politician on occasions both important and routine.
     
    Didn't know that the late Yulia Skripal' was a "professional politician."

    Was Ms. Skripal' a member of the Duma? Where was her district? Where is her homepage?


    The Great Tweeter is often a remarkable exception.
     
    Have you really not noticed that professional PR work product invariably includes intentional "errors" to make messages seem more "folksy"?
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Seriously Whizzy, if typed words could be converted to hot air you'd go down in history as a great power source all on your own. I wonder why it is though, that you always go to great lengths to prevaricate, to muddle, to excuse etc. Is it genetic? Do you receive payment? A source of amusement to you? Please, do tell?
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Sounds like a pretence of learned argument but actual BS. To start with you make a point about translating "colloquial" English into other languages (unspecified apart from Russian) from which one has to make the unsupported leap to a problem of translating *from" Russian to English. Anyway utter crap because it is hard to conceive of a language so primitive that it can't readily express a contingent or conditional premise about changing one's mind/preference/opinion/percept-ion and the corollary of that fully spelled out, or truncated because so clear in meaning. What cave man could not convey to his brother "If my women produce more mouths to feed before winter and I decide to keep them this time I know who I'll be asking to get off his bum and hunt with me"?

    Perhaps you are indeed a linguist who can enlarge on the problems with Russian and English beyond that example (nothing to do with colloquial speech btw) that I presume you know derived from absence of the definite article in Russian, to wit "[the] occupied territories"; to which one might add the tendentious Russia favouring "The Ukraine" when of course it is only Ukraine in Russian.

    Perhaps your problem incldes your confusing "colloquial" with "idiomatic". *If it were* a problem of translating English to Russian, which it isn't, you could hardly say "change my mnd" is an imagination-challenging idiom like, say, "pay the piper" or that the "I know how to contact them" has the flavour of idiom like "I know where you live" in some contexts.

    So, you add no reason to add to anyone's suspicions of what the British may be up to.

    I happen to speak a Slavic language natively, Serbian, and though I don’t speak Russian, I seldom need a dictionary when I read it. I know how Slavic languages are structured, how Latin languages are structured, French is my second mother tongue and I also seldom need a dictionary when I read Spanish and Italian. I read Shakespeare in the original without a dictionary. The structure of a language is closely related to the way people native in that language structure their thoughts.
    If the German make Porsche, BMW, and Mercedes, and Americans make Intel and Apple, it has a lot to do with the German and English languages respectively, just as Sukhoi has a lot to do with the way the Russian language is structured.
    There is no way a native Russian speaker would have concocted that statement and there is no way that could be a literal translation of a statement Yulia Skripal made without “assistance”. It is just too pretentious English to be true.

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    No doubt Yulia Skripal had assistance in finalising her media release. So does every professional politician on occsions both important and routine. The Great Tweeter is often a remarkable exception.

    You are giving a version of the intuitively satisfying Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis which remains, after more than 80 years, a hypothesis abput which perhaps linguists like you may have something useful to say. However it, and your culture-language point, don't really go to the question whether the English words used to represent Yulia Skripal's thoughts actually do so fairly and accurately. It is not a general question relating to Russian culture so much as a question whether there is any problem in thinking an educated Russian might acknowledge that she could (theoretically) change her mind or say in a civil manner that she would be able to take the initiative in making contact if she did. I don't think anything you say argues against that.

    You have prompted me to recall the name of a book I found instructive and entertaining 20 years ago and which you might enjoy. It is Polish Australian academic Anna Wirzbicka's "Understanding Cultures Through Their Key Words: English, Russian, German, Polish, Japanese". I recall little detail except the presumed enjoyment of a Pole who can point to the Russian proliferation of words for fool, dumb, idiot and so on. About her see

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Wierzbicka?wprov=sfla1
    , @Twodees Partain
    "There is no way a native Russian speaker would have concocted that statement and there is no way that could be a literal translation of a statement Yulia Skripal made without “assistance”. It is just too pretentious English to be true."

    Yes, that makes sense to me. A translation would include substitution of a term of similar meaning when a direct translation wouldn't deliver the proper idea expressed.
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  • @Eagle Eye

    Yulia Skripal responding to the offer of assistance by the Russian embassy in the UK:

    “At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services, but, if I change my mind I know how to contact them.”
     

    A good question to ask is - what exactly were her words in the original Russian? Most likely, the Brits have not even troubled to create a Russian version of this supposed pronouncement. In other words, the MI5 operators may have been too "cute" or too lazy in putting out this message. Of course, they don't need to worry about inquisitiveness from their co-opted media.

    Typically, colloquial English phrases such as "if I change my mind I know how to contact them" do not translate well from/into Russian or other foreign languages. Thus, highly idiomatic expressions in purported English statements by a foreign speaker often indicate that the statement is fake. (There is no indication that Yulia S. has this level of fluency in English, so the conversation would presumably have occurred in Russian.)

    Sounds like a pretence of learned argument but actual BS. To start with you make a point about translating “colloquial” English into other languages (unspecified apart from Russian) from which one has to make the unsupported leap to a problem of translating *from” Russian to English. Anyway utter crap because it is hard to conceive of a language so primitive that it can’t readily express a contingent or conditional premise about changing one’s mind/preference/opinion/percept-ion and the corollary of that fully spelled out, or truncated because so clear in meaning. What cave man could not convey to his brother “If my women produce more mouths to feed before winter and I decide to keep them this time I know who I’ll be asking to get off his bum and hunt with me”?

    Perhaps you are indeed a linguist who can enlarge on the problems with Russian and English beyond that example (nothing to do with colloquial speech btw) that I presume you know derived from absence of the definite article in Russian, to wit “[the] occupied territories”; to which one might add the tendentious Russia favouring “The Ukraine” when of course it is only Ukraine in Russian.

    Perhaps your problem incldes your confusing “colloquial” with “idiomatic”. *If it were* a problem of translating English to Russian, which it isn’t, you could hardly say “change my mnd” is an imagination-challenging idiom like, say, “pay the piper” or that the “I know how to contact them” has the flavour of idiom like “I know where you live” in some contexts.

    So, you add no reason to add to anyone’s suspicions of what the British may be up to.

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    I happen to speak a Slavic language natively, Serbian, and though I don't speak Russian, I seldom need a dictionary when I read it. I know how Slavic languages are structured, how Latin languages are structured, French is my second mother tongue and I also seldom need a dictionary when I read Spanish and Italian. I read Shakespeare in the original without a dictionary. The structure of a language is closely related to the way people native in that language structure their thoughts.
    If the German make Porsche, BMW, and Mercedes, and Americans make Intel and Apple, it has a lot to do with the German and English languages respectively, just as Sukhoi has a lot to do with the way the Russian language is structured.
    There is no way a native Russian speaker would have concocted that statement and there is no way that could be a literal translation of a statement Yulia Skripal made without "assistance". It is just too pretentious English to be true.
    , @Eagle Eye
    Which of the following is your position with regard to the statement

    if I change my mind I know how to contact them

     

    attributed to Yulia Skripal':

    (1) The purported statement was made in these precise words by Ms. Skripal' in English.

    (2) The quoted words are a true, direct and correct translation of a statement made by Ms. Skripal'.

    (3) The quoted words were concocted by British "intelligence" services in English and attributed to the late Ms. Skripal'.
    , @Eagle Eye

    you could hardly say “change my mind” is an imagination-challenging idiom

     

    Interesting. So how do you say "change my mind" colloquially in Russian or in ANY continental European language?

    For that matter, how do you say "mind" (in this precise shade of meaning) in French, Russian, Finnish, German, Catalan or any other European tongue of your choice?

    And what about "change"? Easy, right? Or is it?
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  • @Vojkan
    Yulia Skripal responding to the offer of assistance by the Russian embassy in the UK:

    "At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services, but, if I change my mind I know how to contact them."

    Don't know why but I'm having a hard time believing the formulation is just hers. As if the Brits wanted that no one believed them.

    Yulia Skripal responding to the offer of assistance by the Russian embassy in the UK:

    “At the moment I do not wish to avail myself of their services, but, if I change my mind I know how to contact them.”

    A good question to ask is – what exactly were her words in the original Russian? Most likely, the Brits have not even troubled to create a Russian version of this supposed pronouncement. In other words, the MI5 operators may have been too “cute” or too lazy in putting out this message. Of course, they don’t need to worry about inquisitiveness from their co-opted media.

    Typically, colloquial English phrases such as “if I change my mind I know how to contact them” do not translate well from/into Russian or other foreign languages. Thus, highly idiomatic expressions in purported English statements by a foreign speaker often indicate that the statement is fake. (There is no indication that Yulia S. has this level of fluency in English, so the conversation would presumably have occurred in Russian.)

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    Sounds like a pretence of learned argument but actual BS. To start with you make a point about translating "colloquial" English into other languages (unspecified apart from Russian) from which one has to make the unsupported leap to a problem of translating *from" Russian to English. Anyway utter crap because it is hard to conceive of a language so primitive that it can't readily express a contingent or conditional premise about changing one's mind/preference/opinion/percept-ion and the corollary of that fully spelled out, or truncated because so clear in meaning. What cave man could not convey to his brother "If my women produce more mouths to feed before winter and I decide to keep them this time I know who I'll be asking to get off his bum and hunt with me"?

    Perhaps you are indeed a linguist who can enlarge on the problems with Russian and English beyond that example (nothing to do with colloquial speech btw) that I presume you know derived from absence of the definite article in Russian, to wit "[the] occupied territories"; to which one might add the tendentious Russia favouring "The Ukraine" when of course it is only Ukraine in Russian.

    Perhaps your problem incldes your confusing "colloquial" with "idiomatic". *If it were* a problem of translating English to Russian, which it isn't, you could hardly say "change my mnd" is an imagination-challenging idiom like, say, "pay the piper" or that the "I know how to contact them" has the flavour of idiom like "I know where you live" in some contexts.

    So, you add no reason to add to anyone's suspicions of what the British may be up to.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    No point but help to all those who might have switched off before reading or hearing that there has been an OPCW report. And help to those who are so confident that their knowledge and reasoning gives their currently expressed opinions serious weight, which, as you can easily check, is antipathetic to my sceptical disposition.

    I haven't yet considered treating moonofalabama as a serious competitor with the FT for reliable fact and opinion. (Do you?) As I know practically nothing about that Blog or webzine or whatever it is would you care to tell me about it, and its absolute and relative strengths and weaknesses? Disclosure that it is run at weekends by your favourite mother-in-law would be appropriate too :-)

    MoA has far more intellectual honesty than you. (A rather low bar, admittedly, but still.)

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    You prefer mild abuse to any attempt to actually answer my question I see. Is that a reflection of your capacity in matters intellectual?
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    Appropriate this is being done from space, since the official account of the Holocaust is so vacuous.

    fresh out of LOLs;
    wil half-a-dozen of these do?

    ! ! ! ! ! !

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  • @Anon
    Its a bit question begging for you to suppose that you know enough about what she had said to judge it absolutely or relatively well informed. After all any half educated Brit would know that "sir Savile" is only a usage one would expect from a truly foreign foreigner or a complete outsider and that's what you must be if you don't know that. Ted Heath himself illustrates the vagueness of the concept of the Establishment as he only became Establishment ex-officio as PM - at this point I decided to confirm my memory of when the usage "the Establishment" was coined and went to Wikipedia which is quite good at least on the UK. What is perfectly clear is that only some share of real power or influence can make you part of the Establishment and there was no way Jimmy Savile "embodied the Establishment" as annamaria erroneously stated.

    BTW I had certainly read of posthumous suggestions that Heath was a paedophile, though most people while he was alive would have accepted asexual as most likely. Why do you think he was a paedophile or that Jimmy Savile had anything to do with it? Sure one can find any amount of tabloid rubbish by Googling their names but I would have thought Matthew Parris's verdict "if Ted Heath was a paedophile then I'm an aardvark" is probably about as weighty as anything else I read. Or do you prefer the salacious imagination of Britain's marvellous bobbies?

    As to annamaria, aren't you a little curious as to what she actually knows about, and how - and why? Her devotion to the Russian cause is clear. Where do you think she lives? Do you see her as a totally free lance volunteer giving a huge amount of time or as paid agent?

    The term The Establishment is not fixed and varies according to how it is used and by whom. It certainly has a different meaning than it did at the beginning of the last century. Britain has a vast culture of social climbing so many who consider themselves to be Establishment may not actually be considered as such by others.

    RT produced a documentary that went into great detail about how Sir Jim had special privileges at certain boys homes due to his charity work including selecting some for day trips out with him including on Heath’s yatch. I think he joined Thatcher for Christmas dinner IIRC, though I don’t think little boys were being served up on that occasion.

    I really don’t care a rodent’s patootie where Annamarie lives or how she derives income but I would say that her comments are usually accompanied by links to validate that which she has written and she generally receives far more praise from other commenters than she does criticism.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10950111/The-alleged-paedophile-ring-at-the-heart-of-the-British-Establishment.html

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    "Britain has a vast culture of social climbing so many who consider themselves to be Establishment may not actually be considered as such by others."

    So true, that. Hearing the explanation of the difference between a cad and a bounder, that view of social position is obvious. Not being an upper class Brit, I'm not sure that I have it right, but; a cad is an upper class person who behaves abominably while a bounder is a social climber who can't resist trying to bump up against his betters.

    That's why a cad can never be a bounder or vice versa, at least if I'm understanding the explanation I heard.
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  • “Liars Lying About Nearly Everything”

    Just a note, I love this title and have to admit, you needed to add

    “, All the Time.”

    Making trust nearly impossible. every official action now requires that I pray and keep my fingers crossed.

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  • @Rurik
    I agree with everything you're saying.

    They're using our natural empathy as a weapon to destroy us. They're using our capacity to love our enemies, and sense of fair play, to realize the bloodlust of their genocidal hatreds.

    This is one reason I'm occasionally critical of Christianity, because while the Christians are turning the other cheek, their enemies are plotting (and realizing) their absolute destruction.

    It's the (brain-dead, suicidal) Christians of Minnesota that are importing the Somalis.

    it's the brain-dead feminists of Sweden that are importing any and all swarthy young men from anywhere on the planet that might be willing to spend a night or ten with a frumpy, middle-aged Swedish women, who otherwise would lay alone in bed.

    so for all our kindnesses, we will surely be punished, perhaps off the planet, if we're only kind and fair and thoughtful and loving enough!

    … so for all our kindnesses, we will surely be punished, perhaps off the planet, if we’re only kind and fair and thoughtful and loving enough!

    In Game Theory this is a losing strategy. It only works in a protected high trust environment (where it works very well). The problem is cheaters.

    When you introduce cheaters in a more atomized competitive environment, a Tit-for-Tat strategy is the clear winner:

    An agent using this strategy will first cooperate, then subsequently replicate an opponent’s previous action. If the opponent previously was cooperative, the agent is cooperative. If not, the agent is not. This is similar to superrationality and reciprocal altruism in biology.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_for_tat

    This means that for every individual contact you at first cooperate – and test the result. If it is positive (both gain) then next time round you cooperate again. Conversely, if it is negative (cheating), then the cheater is excluded (non-cooperation) next time round. The strategy quickly cleans out bad players and builds positive interactions.

    Following this line, an event like 9/11 (cheating) should have stopped all interaction and cooperation with Israel and US Zionists. This would have been a positive tit-for-tat result for the US, but was prevented by cloaking (i.e. the cheating was hidden or blamed on others, and key players on the US team are turned – they are traitors and secretly play for the cheaters).

    There’s also the religious aspect of ” kind and fair and thoughtful and loving” that’s probably worth considering.

    The modern West grew out of Medieval Europe where institutionalized Christianity dominated every aspect of daily life. The idea was that you were born an sinner and permanently guilty (need for repentance and exemplary behaviour). IMO this conditioning is still there in European populations, making them uniquely vulnerable to “guilt tripping” in a way that neutralizes Tit-for-Tat.

    It’s interesting that when Hitler excluded Jews from Germany he also threw out Christianity, seeing it as the enemy of the German people, ” The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them.”

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    What is the source for the quote you rely upon to support your (tendentious) claim that Hitler "threw out Christianity?"
    , @jacques sheete

    It’s interesting that when Hitler excluded Jews...
     
    You got that backwards. The reality is bit more nuanced than that, but only a bit.

    A bigger truth is that some Jews excluded themselves from Germany, some Jews, (Zionists included) worked with the Nazis, and many were indifferent. Some Jews prospered under the Nazis while some chose to view them as a threat.

    I find it very interesting that the biggest opponents to Hitler were not Jews in Germany, but those living in New York, many of whom were rich Reds.

    Hitler, in fact, was likely much more interested in eliminating the Bolshie threat than excluding Jews qua Jews, and any resistance to that idea is a result of brainwashing with wartime propaganda.

    Many people wanted German Jews to leave for Palestine.


    Mr. Brandeis in America similarly, and imperially, decreed that "No Jew must live in Germany". Mr. Churchill desired that "three or four million Jews" should be transplanted to Palestine; the Communist state, by profession anti-Zionist, supplied the first contingent of these.

    When the smoke of battle cleared only three purposes had been achieved, none of them disclosed at its start: the world-revolution, with Western arms and support, had advanced to the middle of Europe; Zionism had been armed to establish itself in Palestine by force; the "world-government", obviously the result which these two convergent forces were intended to produce, had been set up anew in embryo form, this time in New York. The war behind the war was the true one; it was fought to divert the arms, manpower and treasure of the West to these purposes.


    -Douglas Reed, “the Controversy of Zion,” p 333 (written ~1955 )

    https://archive.org/stream/TheControversyOfZion/TheControversyOfZion_djvu.txt

     

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    As usual it’s impossible to discern what point you’re trying to make, but this caper has been nothing but a fiasco for the British government (who deserve far, far worse than humiliation).

    http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/04/new-developments-in-the-skripal-drama-police-statement-opcw-report-release.html#more

    No point but help to all those who might have switched off before reading or hearing that there has been an OPCW report. And help to those who are so confident that their knowledge and reasoning gives their currently expressed opinions serious weight, which, as you can easily check, is antipathetic to my sceptical disposition.

    I haven’t yet considered treating moonofalabama as a serious competitor with the FT for reliable fact and opinion. (Do you?) As I know practically nothing about that Blog or webzine or whatever it is would you care to tell me about it, and its absolute and relative strengths and weaknesses? Disclosure that it is run at weekends by your favourite mother-in-law would be appropriate too :-)

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    MoA has far more intellectual honesty than you. (A rather low bar, admittedly, but still.)
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    @NoseytheDuke
    Annamarie doesn't have to pose nor prove to you or anyone else as to how knowledgable she is, her frequent comments establish quite clearly that she's far more knowledgable than your own comment history, or lack thereof, shows you to be. As for Sir Jim being Establishment or not, despite being from the lower classes, he was a procurer of little boys for former PM Ted Heath.

    Here’s a mind stretching thought for those who are fascinated by all the odd relics of real and mythical behaviour and status in British society…. Under which PM would Bill Cosby (UK TV star and family man) have become “Sir William”. My nomination is John Major. And who would have trumped that by making him Lord Cosby? Who else but Tony Blair? For bonus marks: On what Bill or subject would Lord Cosby have made his maiden [sic] speech in the Lords?

    But does anyone really think he becomes *part of* the Establishment? As to my answers on that question wrt Jimmy Savile I think I missed the obvious. People like that are part of the powerful’s privileged access to entertainment. Think court jesters, think Marilyn Monroe, think Frank Sinatra etc etc. What about the sleazy but perhaps charming party giver Stephen Ward who procured Christine Keeler and Mandy Rice-Davies (i.e. invited them to the same parties as randy ministers and spies)? No, you are not going to encourage annamaria in her out of her comfort/knowledge zone opinionating, are you?

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    • Replies: @annamaria
    Your beloved Establishment includes the Pious Blair, a major war criminal, the verbose May (another major war-criminal-in-making), the clueless Gavin Williamson, and the clownish "passionate Zionist" Boris Johnson.
    You have carefully avoided responding to my mention of James Arbuthnot and his wife Emma Arbuthnot. His lordship is in service to the Friends of Israel and to weapon manufacturer. And her honor is a stain on the British judicial system.
    http://www.businessinsider.com/julian-assange-accused-of-cowardice-by-british-judge-2018-2
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