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    Only six years separate the production of Logan's Run (1976) from that of Blade Runner (1982), yet those intervening years form a watershed in how science fiction imagined the future. The first movie depicts the year 2274. The setting is futuristic, and the people so beautiful that one significant detail may go unnoticed. Eventually, the...
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    In the 80 futuristic fiction predicted the eclipse of whites, though usually by East Asians. In Shadow of the Torturer its was Koreans.

    Now, I like Star Trek, but please, let’s qualify and just admit, now that we know and understand, that the first purpose of broadcast television is to sell,

     

    Well the first television was in the 1930's which was the still non commercial British Broadcasting Corporation. . The head of the BBC called it disgustingly white a few years ago. In its very popular fantasy series Dr. Who three of the last four assistants have been white girls with black boyfriends. Jobs in journalism and TV are the most difficult to get into because is sells tampons, or because it tells people what to think?

    Tarantino likes the way whites die, defenceless white women too.

    For all the criticism _Django Unchained_ gets here, Tarantino is not an essentialist. The hero of _Inglourious Basterds_ is a White Southerner and the hero of _Django_ is a German.

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  • Robert Heinlein, writing in 1965, went head on into whites losing their dominance in his book Farnham’s Freehold where such whites as still existed were slaves to African blacks. Whites are biologically controlled and reduced by castration for tall or aggressive males. White women are concubines for the black elite. Was this support for Civil Rights? Heinlein was no left winger. I once read a review that described Starship Troopers as a book that made fascism attractive. The vote as a reward for military service was the demand of the Levellers in the New Model Army during the Putney debates. Did Heinlein know that or is it also an American thing in its own right?

    BTW, there are a lot of Asians in Blade Runner because the Axis won WW2 and the US was divided between Japan and Germany. In “Do androids dream of electric sheep?” and “The Man in the High Castle”, set in the same milieu, especially the latter, Dick makes it explicit. He makes the Japanese more sympathetic than the Germans.

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  • @P
    Dyer's interpretation of Blade Runner (or the parts of it Frost quoted anyway) makes no sense. The "whitest" characters in the movie are the replicants (except for Rachael) -- Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) and Pris (Daryl Hannah) are especially "Aryan." There's no reason to see Deckard (Harrison Ford) as any kind of representation of whiteness or WASPiness. He's not even that fair in appearance. IIRC, there are some old family photos in his apartment, and his family is not obviously Northern European, more like Jewish or something. Gaff, played by the mestizo actor Edward James Olmos, is certainly not meant to be a "dark white" in the sense that Rachael (Sean Young) is.

    The Asians in Blade Runner are overwhelmingly Chinese, so the claim that the movie depicts a future dominated by the Japanese is not correct. Blade Runner's Los Angeles looks kind of like a dump, and it's implied that whites voluntarily left the city and Earth in general to colonize other planets. For example, Pris asks J. F. Sebastian, the white scientist working for the Tyrell Corporation, why he hasn't left Earth, and he responds that he wasn't allowed to leave because of his medical condition. He lives in a huge abandoned building and says that there's no shortage of housing, implying that Los Angeles is depopulated and no one lives there unless they have to. This is similar to Elysium where whites live in affluence in space while non-whites toil in poverty on Earth.

    Any kind of racial interpretation of Blade Runner would have to deal with the fact that the replicants are depicted as especially white. However, almost all the other meaningful characters are white, too, even though the city is mostly Asian -- but this is simply for box office reasons (an all-Asian cast would still today be unthinkable in Hollywood). The only casting choice that is perhaps straightforwardly racial is that the main villain is played by a blond guy. This has been a Hollywood cliche for a long time, reflecting the fact that Nazis have become the ultimate symbol of evil in Western culture as well as the post-war Jewish cultural ascendancy in America.

    Yeah, I don’t buy the whole racial angle either. Arguably Rachel (and Deckard, according to some interpretations) wasn’t even human.

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  • @Honorary Thief
    Honestly, would we even complain much about diversity if it was mostly Asians?

    Some people certainly would, but I agree there would be a lot less angst about it.

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  • Helena says:
    Is it possible that what we are witnessing is, not an aberration but, the recommencement of an evolutionary process, ie migration out of Africa towards Asia, that was abated temporarily by European colonialism (and the racial ideology of such)?

    Hmm, depends on what eras you are talking about. There has been ancient African migration into Europe from very early times, both in the Paleolithic and Neolithic, via the Middle East, and to some lesser extent across the Mediterranean in the Gibraltar area per some scholars (Anderung et al) So African migration into Europe is nothing new, but rather ancient. As far as Asia there is migration there as well as studies from Iran to Arabia show, and depending how far back one wants to go, such as the OOA migratory streams you are talking tens of thousands of years.

    I wonder if it could be said that European abate any African movement towards Asia in the modern era, although perhaps it could be argued that the British, once they had decided to stop their own slaving activities, suppressed Arab shipment of Africans out into Southwest Asia. African slave revolts such as the massive Zanj Revolt in the 800s that destroyed much Muslim shipping and infrastructure, also played a part in deterring large scale plantation type slavery in Arabia, per some scholars.

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    The crucial balance in civilisations surviving seems to be how the need to expand, for resources, is conducted vis any other cultures/civilisations that are incorporated or affiliated in the process of expansion.

    Yes, and to some extent there will be competition, and there will, in various eras, at various levels winners and losers, or if not win/lose, changes in levels of power or influence. Egypt at one time was a world power for almost 2 millennia. That is long gone. Britain was a backwater for centuries compared to a sophisticated Rome, but that changed over time. Scotland was once a backwater until it came into the larger orbit of Great Britain. Italy-based Rome used to regularly defeat the Germans but this changed, both in certain Roman times and in modern times- compare the Wehrmacht to Mussolini’s legions for example. The Mongol armies were once the best in the world- from Afghanistan to China, to Hungary. That has changed. Once feudal Japan is a world tech leader. China at one time was the tech leader and as late as the early 1800s was producing up to one-third of world economic output, but that changed negatively. Today the trend is beginning to look positive once more for China and the “Pacific century.” If present trends continue China will becoming the world leader in output by the end of the century. As Thomas Sowell says, history will reshuffle the fortunes of peoples and nations. There is nothing sacred about today’s “lineup.” One wonders if Britain as we know it will be around in 100 years, or will the EU octopus subsume it?

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    The rationale for mass immigration into previously european countries, is economic; labour force. In time, the changed nature of the labour force will change the nature of the civilisation. That’s evolution.

    Yes mass immigration will spark changes, some good, some bad. Certain the labor of the newcomers will boost economic output, beneficial in part to help pay the pensions and subsidies to ageing European populations. The social conservatism of some of the newcomers may slow down the moral relativism that seems to mark some in contemporary Europe, including the rising trend of homosexuality and “transgenderism.” The flip side in conflict, crime, etc will also weigh in the balances. Mass immigration of southern and eastern Europeans like Italians or Poles, to the US for example was often bitterly opposed for they were considered “inferior stocks” compared to more virtuous, mo betta Anglo Saxon Protestants. Immigration restrictions in the 1920s allowed Great Britain and Northern Ireland a quota of 65,721 a year as against 5,802 for Italy. Immigration of the Catholic Irish was also opposed, and detractors pointed to heavy crime, violence, alcoholism, and the corrupt urban political machines that came with the Irish.

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    The question is, where is the leading edge of human evolution; which Ydna haplogroups are still mutating? – E is.

    In what way is y-DNA Haplogroup E mutating? Said Haplogroup appears in substantial levels in various parts of Europe, up to 40% in certain parts of the Balkans for example, and up to 25% in certain parts of Greece, depending on the study. Would “E” be the only thing mutating?

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    And, if europeans turn out to be an evolutionary branch, rather than the trunk that racial ideology thought, are there any other examples of humans, hominids or mammals, which constitute technologically advanced populations that turned out to be no more than evolutionary branches?

    What defines an “evolutionary branch” of a species? Be precise in your definition. Exactly what? To tie in with the replicants of Blade Runner, or the mutants of X-men comic lore, would they be an evolutionary branch of humanity? In what sense? Is “evolution” the same as “change”? To what extent? If people over 20 years grow heavier under better diets, is this species “evolution” or simply routine change as people eat more? In what sense does it become “evolution”? Evolution compared to what? You have to be precise for these definitions shift all the time, sometimes in contradictory ways, depending on the agenda being argued.

    Would the replicants be an example of “evolution” or would surgically altered “transgendered” Europeans be a better model 10 years hence? What about cloning? Would that be evolution? Precise definition is needed. The dark picture painted by many movies and writers suggests that technological improvements will not necessarily make for a bright future.

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  • @Enrique Cardova
    You are just upset because your claims have been comprehensively debunked again and again, with no credible response. And your own attempts at refutation not only fail, but the "supporting" references you proffer actually undermine your case. But again- back to the topic. Do you have any value to add to the matters of the trans-human future, as portrayed in the movies at hand? I again refer you to the link below to assist you.

    http://io9.com/5530409/the-essential-posthuman-science-fiction-reading-list

    I thought the post was about the future as white thinkers imagined it. But apparently I was wrong about that too. Someone who takes it upon themselves to publish a dozen separate comments one after the other is trying to drown others out. There is such a thing as conversational justice Enrique.

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  • Is it possible that what we are witnessing is, not an aberration but, the recommencement of an evolutionary process, ie migration out of Africa towards Asia, that was abated temporarily by European colonialism (and the racial ideology of such)?

    On the one hand, there seems to have been a very large family size in British 18c wealthy class dwindling to near no children in 21c. On the other hand, could the British _ever_ have hung on to ‘her’ colonies in the face of mass opposition from the more numerous natives?

    ‘Civilisations’ seem to be islands of, if not ‘technological’ then, intellectual advance that can exist only if they are massively defended. Japan seems to be one of the few civilisations that has defended itself mostly through isolation rather than through physical or military barriers.

    The crucial balance in civilisations surviving seems to be how the need to expand, for resources, is conducted vis any other cultures/civilisations that are incorporated or affiliated in the process of expansion.

    The rationale for mass immigration into previously european countries, is economic; labour force. In time, the changed nature of the labour force will change the nature of the civilisation. That’s evolution.

    The question is, where is the leading edge of human evolution; which Ydna haplogroups are still mutating? – E is. And, if europeans turn out to be an evolutionary branch, rather than the trunk that racial ideology thought, are there any other examples of humans, hominids or mammals, which constitute technologically advanced populations that turned out to be no more than evolutionary branches?

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  • You are just upset because your claims have been comprehensively debunked again and again, with no credible response. And your own attempts at refutation not only fail, but the “supporting” references you proffer actually undermine your case. But again- back to the topic. Do you have any value to add to the matters of the trans-human future, as portrayed in the movies at hand? I again refer you to the link below to assist you.

    http://io9.com/5530409/the-essential-posthuman-science-fiction-reading-list

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    I thought the post was about the future as white thinkers imagined it. But apparently I was wrong about that too. Someone who takes it upon themselves to publish a dozen separate comments one after the other is trying to drown others out. There is such a thing as conversational justice Enrique.
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  • @Enrique Cardova
    Sean you yourself keep obsessively bringing up the "migrants" and have been roundly debunked multiple times. The new quotes you yet again add now, do nothing to help your case. Again, despite visible LOCAL, RECENT surges, (quote from your own reference which says: "over the past weekend.." overall, sub-Saharan African refugees to Italy has been DROPPING in recent years. And the refugee flows include a large slice of Caucasoids from Syria and Afghanistan- a point conveniently missed by hysterical pronouncements of "doom" due to "swamping" by "sub-Saharan blacks." In Greece for example most of the "doom" is a product of the same "Caucasoids." Data to this effect has been cited multiple times, including your own "supporting" references which contradict your claims. I don't know why you keep on obsessively bringing up "refugees."

    Now let's get back on topic. You mention HG Wells and he has indeed had somewhat to say about a transhuman future, just as Blade Runner touches in transhuman. As I noted already, such a project is underway in one sense in the Western world, through "transgendered" movements designed to blur the fundamental division of humanity- male and female. As one college class syllabus notes:

    H.G. Wells novella The Time Machine has a strong transhuman flavour to it, full of Darwinian fears that as our technological prowess grows, the upper class will become weaker (literally) while the lower class becomes stronger through their plight (also providing a uniquely Marxist view of technology). Symbolised through the Eloi and Morlocks, Wells’ bleak vision of a transhuman future is one that has been widely recognised by contemporary critics.

    Peter speculates that these types of movies and works may be an allegory of white demise. If so, then in Wells; version the lower classes will become stronger- another allegory for European demographic decline. And in another similarity in Wells all this occurs while technology is improving. Consult the works below for other perspectives if you want to add value to the matter at hand.
    http://io9.com/5530409/the-essential-posthuman-science-fiction-reading-list

    I would like to ask who has been using the word caucasoids or swamped in this comment section but you? Someone using words in quotation marks that have not been used by any one else is arguing with themselves.

    No apology for your tactic of a dozen separately published comments one after the other Enrique? You don’t like anyone saying that Europeans are treating non white sympathetically or altruistically. You constantly return to the theme that whites never do anything for nonwhites (eg affirmative action as Machiavellian white supremacist plot). I suppose the rescue and help for illegal immigrants is just disguised Nazism in your book.

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  • Sean you yourself keep obsessively bringing up the “migrants” and have been roundly debunked multiple times. The new quotes you yet again add now, do nothing to help your case. Again, despite visible LOCAL, RECENT surges, (quote from your own reference which says: “over the past weekend..” overall, sub-Saharan African refugees to Italy has been DROPPING in recent years. And the refugee flows include a large slice of Caucasoids from Syria and Afghanistan- a point conveniently missed by hysterical pronouncements of “doom” due to “swamping” by “sub-Saharan blacks.” In Greece for example most of the “doom” is a product of the same “Caucasoids.” Data to this effect has been cited multiple times, including your own “supporting” references which contradict your claims. I don’t know why you keep on obsessively bringing up “refugees.”

    Now let’s get back on topic. You mention HG Wells and he has indeed had somewhat to say about a transhuman future, just as Blade Runner touches in transhuman. As I noted already, such a project is underway in one sense in the Western world, through “transgendered” movements designed to blur the fundamental division of humanity- male and female. As one college class syllabus notes:

    H.G. Wells novella The Time Machine has a strong transhuman flavour to it, full of Darwinian fears that as our technological prowess grows, the upper class will become weaker (literally) while the lower class becomes stronger through their plight (also providing a uniquely Marxist view of technology). Symbolised through the Eloi and Morlocks, Wells’ bleak vision of a transhuman future is one that has been widely recognised by contemporary critics.

    Peter speculates that these types of movies and works may be an allegory of white demise. If so, then in Wells; version the lower classes will become stronger- another allegory for European demographic decline. And in another similarity in Wells all this occurs while technology is improving. Consult the works below for other perspectives if you want to add value to the matter at hand.

    http://io9.com/5530409/the-essential-posthuman-science-fiction-reading-list

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    I would like to ask who has been using the word caucasoids or swamped in this comment section but you? Someone using words in quotation marks that have not been used by any one else is arguing with themselves.

    No apology for your tactic of a dozen separately published comments one after the other Enrique? You don't like anyone saying that Europeans are treating non white sympathetically or altruistically. You constantly return to the theme that whites never do anything for nonwhites (eg affirmative action as Machiavellian white supremacist plot). I suppose the rescue and help for illegal immigrants is just disguised Nazism in your book.

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  • Enrique does not apologise for swamping the comments with a dozen long comments one after the other in a single day, and now he wants to start a thread about Jews. Enrique, you have been saying “The big dog in Europe Italy has actually seen an overall DECREASE in such people [sub Saharan Africans] over the last few years.’ on comments for weeks. As already mentioned and linked to, and this is the official UN site

    OVER the past weekend this number has included around about 6,000 people who were disembarked in southern Italy following a major rescue operation that was coordinated by the Italian Coast Guard and joined by navy ships deployed from Frontex and from Italy, Germany, Britain, Ireland, Spain and MOAS. The migrants and refugees rescued have been mostly sub-Saharan Africans and include children and pregnant women. … the refugees and migrants are now being taken care of at reception centres in Italy.

    ‘Migrants race through Italy to dodge EU asylum rules… between a quarter and half of all those who land in Italy dodge the rules’. And avoid appearing in the statistics.

    ALL those rescued will be deposited at Sicilian ports or elsewhere in southern Italy in the coming days, lifting this year’s total of new arrivals on Italian soil to more than 50,000 [...] The 50,000 figure represents an increase of around 10 percent on the same period last year, which, after a summer surge, ended with an unprecedented total of 170,000 migrants arriving on Italian soil

    I mentioned HG Wells to point out that since the Enlightenment intellectuals have had a theoretical principle of the common good with no place for particularities of allegiance, such as religion and nations. Whiteness deconstruction is a new dialectical game, whereby academics can be important. But it goes back a long way, GBS and patriotism as the last resort of a scoundrel. GBS and Wells were both sympathetic to Stalin.

    Anyway Italy has a huge and apparently increasing flood of immigrants, and the essential point to bear in mind is Italy is not their country. And neither are the other countries of Europe they are trying to get to. But European navies are rescuing them and European states are paying for reception centres for them . And most who get to Europe never go back, even if they are not granted asylum status. Europeans don’t believe in having their own countries any more.

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  • anon says:
    And I think the claim that Sean Young’s Rachael character in Blade Runner is supposed to represent or be emblematic of non-whiteness in Blade Runner is suspect and very far-fetched.
    The poster above I think says that because if you recall, the replicants were despised outliers, designed to do the dangerous work, and slated for destruction when their usefulness was over. One can liken them in real life to non-white stand-ins, an “enemy” minority – Jews – who were dispatched to the ovens when their usefulness for work in the genocide camps was over- if you extend it to the Jewish analogy. In the movie it can go both ways. The replicants are a minority, doomed for liquidation. But on earth they also have certain advantages.

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  • jb says:
    In fact, as Stephen Pinker demonstrates in his recent book, Europeans have been in the forefront of a long-term worldwide decline in violence.

    A Laughable stretch that is easily debunked. What Pinker did was compare reported Euro homicide stats with rates reported from accounts that have low credibility – such as fragmentary traveler’s accounts and such among non-state peoples like the Inuit- hardly a stable procedure. Its like comparing official government statistics on liquor production versus tally stick stats that may or may not have been kept by the boys down at the moonshine still. Other scholars have debunked his shaky procedure. For example, in his book, Culture, Media and Human Violence: From Savage Lovers to Violent Complexity, Professor Jeff Lewis debunks Pinker’s use of mortality statistics and reliance on a narrow range of anthropological and archaeological evidence.

    And Pinker himself shows that his is a focus on local stats in a narrow period of growing state power. He shows that Europeans are no “role models” when OTHER eras are examined. He himself says-Quote: “Scandinavians needed a couple of additional centuries before they thought better of killing each other.” When the overall picture is looked at, your notion of some “forefront” comes up short, for plenty of eras in European history has produced massive violence. In short, looking at local European mortality figures (some quite shaky particularly in earlier eras) compared to fragmentary anthropological reports (very shaky) and then extrapolating from that to build some notion of Euro virtue is deeply flawed and has been in fact exposed as such by other scholars.

    His comparisons do not have credible non-state statistics on the other end- its not an apples to apples comparison. He also concentrates on LOCAL law enforcement and omits crimes like the Nazis and colonialism. He also conveniently skips over the massive death and destruction wrought by Europe’s religious wars.

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    Several other scholars raise he same points, and criticize the gaping holes in Pinker’s claim.

    Cited refs-Wiki & detailed links to critiques:
    Lewis is also very critical of the comparisons Pinker makes between the modern state and hunter gatherer societies. Pinker overrides the absence of evidence regarding hunter gatherer warfare. Like his frequently cited source, Lawrence Keeley, Pinker simply ignores the fact that there is virtually no archaeological evidence proving hunter gatherer warfare. Pinker also overlooks the terrible violence that modern states inflict on other peoples and species.” (Ref- Lewis Culture Media and Human Violence)

    The economist Tyler Cowen criticized Pinker for his inadequate analysis of the centralization of the use of violence in the hands of the modern nation state.[23] (ref- Tyler Cowen debunks Pinker: http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2011/10/steven-pinker-on-violence.html)

    Andrew Brown, writing for The Guardian called the book “the comfort blanket for the smug”, describing it as “a great piece of theatre in which half-truths do battle with straw men while the reader watches in safety, defended by barricades of apparent fact against any danger of actual thought.” Brown criticized Pinker’s dismissal of Christianity, his inadequate treatment of the violence produced by Western (especially American) imperialism, and frequent historical inaccuracies.[24] (ref- Brown debunks Pinker: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/nov/08/steven-pinker-better-angels-of-our-nature)

    In his review of the book in Scientific American, psychologist Robert Epstein criticizes Pinker’s use of relative violent death rates — that is, of violent deaths per capita — as an appropriate metric for assessing the emergence of humanity’s “better angels.” Instead, Epstein believes that the correct metric is the absolute number of deaths at a given time. Epstein also accuses Pinker of an over-reliance on historical data, and argues that he has fallen prey to confirmation bias, leading him to focus on evidence that supports his thesis while ignoring research that does not.[25] (Ref: Epstein debunks Pinker: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bookreview-steven-pinker-the-better-angels-of-our-nature-why-violence-has-declined/)

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    In short atheist and liberal guy Pinker (there’s an irony for the HBD crowd which cites him) has produced a weak case, and your claim as well likewise stands debunked.

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    In any case, the mixing of one set of peoples tens of thousands of years ago would hardly provide any sort of “test case” for the consequences of mixing of a different set of peoples today. Mixing isn’t good or bad in and of itself; the important thing is who’s being mixed

    But the poster who proffered the notion of “mix” insisted that “barbarism” was the result. Well he gets a perfect test case, for Europeans are themselves a hybrid “mix” part African and part Asian. And as credible data shows the result has been plenty of “barbarism.” And Cavalli-Sforza is a credible mainstream scientist. His data is solid, and today’s scholars who argue for the existence of races, such as Risch 2002, do not disavow him, in fact they cite him. You try to disavow mixing millennia ago, but HBDers are always playing the “race card” going back thousands of years. Why are you trying to back away from it now? HBDers are always insisting on the “reality” of race, both now and in the past. They say “current thinking” is too “politically correct.” Fine. Well they can’t duck away now from their own claims. Using their own referred race models, turns out that Europeans themselves are “racial hybrids.”

    And in fact using the same HBD “race” models- Europeans are a racial mixture of older hunter-gatherers showing tropical adaptations from Africa via the Middle East or via a direct Medit route, (Holliday 2010, Anderung et al 2005.), and migrants from the subtropical Middle east (some of whom looked like today’s Africans- Brace 2005), (Bellwood et al 2003). Later migrations from the Asiatic and Eurasian steppe zone added to the race mix (Olade et l 2014, Lazardis et al 2014). In fact the steppe migrants are related to other “Asiatic” types that eventually populated the Americas. And history seems to demonstrate when you have too much white in the mix then you have systematic mass murder of multiple tens of millions. Jews would know something about “worry” where this is concerned.

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    @Enrique Cardova
    A mix that is predominantly Sub-Saharan African will look — and I believe behave! — quite differently from a mix that is predominantly Eurasian.

    Presumably the "Eurasian" mix will cease the systematic mass murder of tens of millions? After all it was "Eurasians" that brought us the Holocaust under Hitler (body count about 17 million if assorted "inferior" Slavs, Russian POWs, Gypsies and other subhumans are included), the Holodomor under "Comrade" Stalin (body count -oh 12 million or so), and "the thought of Chairman Mao" in Asiatic quarters (body count over 30 million). Give or take a few oddities like Pol Pot in Cambodia (body count 1.5 to 2 million), presumably Eurasian "role models" will provide much touted "leadership" in the new "mixed" era.


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    And of course the behavior of the eventual mixed population will have a huge influence on what life is like in the future, and could be the deciding factor that determines whether civilization even has a long term future, or whether it exhausts itself and collapses into permanent barbarism.

    Actually you already have a test case of a "mixed" population behavior that has spawned plenty of "barbarism." Depending on the geneticist consulted, like conservative geneticist Cavalli-Sforza, Europeans are a hybrid or "mixed" population, one third African, two-thirds Asian.
    http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7963/eurohybrids.jpg

    ^^There you have it- the perfect test case of "behavior."

    A mix that is predominantly Sub-Saharan African will look — and I believe behave! — quite differently from a mix that is predominantly Eurasian.

    Presumably the “Eurasian” mix will cease the systematic mass murder of tens of millions? After all it was “Eurasians” that brought us the Holocaust under Hitler (body count about 17 million if assorted “inferior” Slavs, Russian POWs, Gypsies and other subhumans are included), the Holodomor under “Comrade” Stalin (body count -oh 12 million or so), and “the thought of Chairman Mao” in Asiatic quarters (body count over 30 million). Give or take a few oddities like Pol Pot in Cambodia (body count 1.5 to 2 million), presumably Eurasian “role models” will provide much touted “leadership” in the new “mixed” era.

    Oh spare me the ignorant PC cliches. Eurasians on the whole have been no more violent than anybody else. In fact, as Stephen Pinker demonstrates in his recent book, Europeans have been in the forefront of a long-term worldwide decline in violence. And Africans have never been slackers when it comes violence. (E.g., Rwanda, Shaka Zulu, Baltimore). I’ll grant that Eurasians have probably been more effective than Africans in commuting really large scale violence. But then, Eurasians have been more effective than Africans in pretty much everything. :-)

    And of course the behavior of the eventual mixed population will have a huge influence on what life is like in the future, and could be the deciding factor that determines whether civilization even has a long term future, or whether it exhausts itself and collapses into permanent barbarism.

    Actually you already have a test case of a “mixed” population behavior that has spawned plenty of “barbarism.” Depending on the geneticist consulted, like conservative geneticist Cavalli-Sforza, Europeans are a hybrid or “mixed” population, one third African, two-thirds Asian.

    ^^There you have it- the perfect test case of “behavior.”

    The information in your link is badly out of date, and not at all consistent with current thinking. In any case, the mixing of one set of peoples tens of thousands of years ago would hardly provide any sort of “test case” for the consequences of mixing of a different set of peoples today. Mixing isn’t good or bad in and of itself; the important thing is who’s being mixed. History seems to demonstrate that when there is too much Sub-Saharan African in the mix, things just sort of fall apart. That’s what I’m worried about!

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  • Sean you and others were the first to bring up these topics which were long go dealt with. See Comment 42. But rather than move on, you keep failing dismally in several of the claims you keep trying to resurrect. You further add non-topic material by an obscure reference to the Communist party which had nothing to do with the topic. Before that the comments were flowing quite well. Indeed the latest is on Jewish perspectives to this whole “human life of the future” meme. I have already pointed out that Jewish authors and movie makers have had plenty of involvement in such futuristic films and media, and referenced 3 such works.

    Others have also pointed out how the replicants can work both as paragons of perfection or as symbols of European decline. There are pros and cons to both these interpretations. Rather than add value, and expand the analysis, you go back to the “refugee doom” thing.
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    Very well then, but these claims have been debunked a while back, and rather than refine your arguments and buttress them with credible data you only keep digging yourself into a bigger hole. I urge you to study the credible analyses put together by authors on this website. People may disagree with some conclusions, but none can gainsay that they have put reasonable data on the floor that has to be reckoned with. And I have stated elsewhere I am no fan of unfettered immigration, and in fact I have taken on assorted Mexican activists who posit an “indigenous right” to “retake” California by pointing out that (a) people from the Valley of Mexico some thousand miles distant have no credible claim- the Aztec or earlier empires never ruled Calif, and (b) any claim based on the Spaniards is itself nothing indigenous but based on a foreign, European colonial claim or jurisdiction. The so-called “retake” fails on both counts. The only people with a credible indigenous claim, are indigenous California Indians, not people from the distant Valley of Mexico.

    That being said you are off base again. You and others first brought up Italy and alleged “swamping” by “blacks.” That has been debunked. Your new “supporting” link ALSO FAILS to make the case. All your link shows is that there has been a RECENT increase in boat refugees in Mediterranean. But it still does not negate that fact that as stated above, Italy has been REDUCING overall numbers. Your “supporting reference” actually undermines your case.

    The alleged “massive flows” of “sub-Saharan” blacks, that is allegedly “dooming Europe”, turns out, much less hysterically, to be a portion of 6,000 people off the Libyan coast last week. Overall, the refugee stream is mixed, with- quote:

    “Most of the refugees making the perilous crossing are fleeing conflict-torn Syria and Libya, the totalitarian east African country of Eritrea, and Afghanistan.”

    The LATEST rescues have seen many blacks but overall, the overall stream still consists of a large proportion of Middle Eastern “Caucasoids” from Afghanistan and Syria, etc..

    Now let’s look at your second supposedly “supporting” link. It says: “In Italy new migrants from Eritrea form the biggest group, followed by those from Somalia, Nigeria and Syria.” But this proportion refers to RECENT boat people activity. It does not at all negate the early fact that UNHCR data shows- that OVERALL, Italy has actually been REDUCING the number of migrants that come. In additionyou neglect to mention the volume of Middle Eastern Caucasoids in the mix. You leave out the BBC statement about where most of the migrants are from. QUOTE:

    “The largest migrant group by nationality in 2015 is Syrians – more than 8,800. Then come migrants from Eritrea (more than 3,300) and Somalia (more than 2,900).”

    As stated before its Caucasoids from the Middle East, including “Arab Spring” refugees- such as Tunisians in 2011- making up the largest number over a multi-year span. And as far as the other big receiver of migrants – Greece- the bulk of those coming have been the same “Caucasoids” -quote:

    “But in Greece migrants from Syria are the biggest group, then Afghans..
    In 2013 the total reaching Europe via the Mediterranean was much lower – about 60,000…
    Back in 2011 the big challenge was thousands of Tunisians arriving on Lampedusa. ..”

    In short, your “supporting references” not only contradict your claim, but actually help make my case. The RECENT uptick, is just that RECENT as far as sub-Saharan blacks are concerned, and they are not “swamping” Europe. The big dog in Europe Italy has actually seen an overall DECREASE in such people over the last few years. On top of that a big slice of that recent uptick is STILL Middle Eastern Caucasoids. The other big player Greece has also seen a recent surge- but here again, as it has been for years, most of those arriving are Caucasoids from the Middle East. How many times do I have to lay out this data for you, data that your own “supporting reference” furnishes? Your problem is again, that you can’t make a good argument and rather than raising your game, you keep making the same mistakes again and again.
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    Now lets get back to the topic at hand. Up above I ask how Jewish authors and filmmakers are dealing with the memes re the future of humankind, such as Spielberg, and current implications re “trans-humanism” which is one of the general themes Blade Runner touches on. Can you add value to the discussion along these lines?

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  • @Enrique Cardova
    Hmm never knew Shatner was Jewish. Spock-, not surprising. Now that you mention it, there has been substantial Jewish participation in sci-fi and fantasy, including comics. I ran across a web page years ago that broke down a whole slew of Jewish comic book heroes. There is a book called: Wandering Stars: An Anthology of Jewish Fantasy and Science Fiction, and one called: From Krakow to Krypton: Jews and Comic Books by Arie Kaplan, Harvey Pekar, J.T. Waldman.

    Not saying the presence of Jews is "bad" in these venues, but one wonders about the influences or perspectives they bring, a question itself raised by the books above, some of which are written by Jews. Spielberg's movie 'Artificial Intelligence" raises a "trans-human" future, though he is not theonly director to do so- many non-Jewish directors have done the same. Perhaps someone has written on a "Jewish" view or influence in these futuristic movies.

    In any event, a "trans-human" project is already well underway in the Western world (with whites leading the charge) , though not involving robots but the confusion, blurring, and mixing of one of the most fundamental facts of human life- the division into male and female. Already such "subversion of patriarchal gender roles" is celebrated in much white feminist, lesbian, gay literature. Whether SOME Jews will be in the forefront here is hard to say. This is a next great battleground, though one wonders if there will be anyone around with the stomach for real battle. See Time Magazine article below on a "transgendered" camp for kids. This is the project, and where 's its headed. No doubt a "multi-culti" gloss will be added (if not already underway too) for greater effect.

    http://time.com/3743987/gender-creative-kids/

    White kid being “gendered” or “sensitized” into his female side:
    http://millana.tumblr.com/image/55612822737

    “Whether SOME Jews will be in the forefront here is hard to say.”

    If there is a forefront somewhere, there will be Jews. (In the younger generation, it will be mostly half and quarter Jews, like Nate Silver (half).)

    Most of Anti-Jewish Studies is criticism of large historical trends, but focusing on the Jews who became figureheads of those trends, while ignoring the non-Jewish figureheads.

    BTW, the one Jew in Star Trek: the Next Generation was Data (Brent Spiner).

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  • I am afraid I think the commenting policy is not working with Enrique. Here are his comments. He makes the same assertions each week. Of late he is putting into comments here (and elsewhere) that there is no increase in African migration to Italy. I pointed out and gave a link to show that the official figures did not support his oft repeated assertions that there are fewer sub Saharan immigrants landing in Italy this year.

    UNHCR “is stepping up its presence in Greece and in southern Italy in response to the dramatic increase in numbers of refugees and migrants who we have been seeing arriving,” UNHCR spokesman Adrian Edwards told journalists in Geneva on Tuesday.

    A BBC report the other day gives an overview with migrant routes

    In Italy new migrants from Eritrea form the biggest group, followed by those from Somalia, Nigeria and Syria.

    He said that the UN figures proved he was right, then just made a dozen substantial comments one after the other. That is a swamping tactic, and he has the free time to drown out most people and successfully hijack the comments. Although he can be put on hide, when he goes off into ever more tangential matters (his pet ones) unwary commenters are drawn into responding .

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  • Hmm never knew Shatner was Jewish. Spock-, not surprising. Now that you mention it, there has been substantial Jewish participation in sci-fi and fantasy, including comics. I ran across a web page years ago that broke down a whole slew of Jewish comic book heroes. There is a book called: Wandering Stars: An Anthology of Jewish Fantasy and Science Fiction, and one called: From Krakow to Krypton: Jews and Comic Books by Arie Kaplan, Harvey Pekar, J.T. Waldman.

    Not saying the presence of Jews is “bad” in these venues, but one wonders about the influences or perspectives they bring, a question itself raised by the books above, some of which are written by Jews. Spielberg’s movie ‘Artificial Intelligence” raises a “trans-human” future, though he is not theonly director to do so- many non-Jewish directors have done the same. Perhaps someone has written on a “Jewish” view or influence in these futuristic movies.

    In any event, a “trans-human” project is already well underway in the Western world (with whites leading the charge) , though not involving robots but the confusion, blurring, and mixing of one of the most fundamental facts of human life- the division into male and female. Already such “subversion of patriarchal gender roles” is celebrated in much white feminist, lesbian, gay literature. Whether SOME Jews will be in the forefront here is hard to say. This is a next great battleground, though one wonders if there will be anyone around with the stomach for real battle. See Time Magazine article below on a “transgendered” camp for kids. This is the project, and where ‘s its headed. No doubt a “multi-culti” gloss will be added (if not already underway too) for greater effect.

    http://time.com/3743987/gender-creative-kids/

    White kid being “gendered” or “sensitized” into his female side:

    http://millana.tumblr.com/image/55612822737

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    "Whether SOME Jews will be in the forefront here is hard to say."
     
    If there is a forefront somewhere, there will be Jews. (In the younger generation, it will be mostly half and quarter Jews, like Nate Silver (half).)

    Most of Anti-Jewish Studies is criticism of large historical trends, but focusing on the Jews who became figureheads of those trends, while ignoring the non-Jewish figureheads.

    BTW, the one Jew in Star Trek: the Next Generation was Data (Brent Spiner).
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  • @Enrique Cardova

    That is to say any group which sets itself apart from the human commonwealth, no matter what the reason, is acting against the interests of each individual within the group, since, no matter what each person believes, that person is a human being above all else.
     
    The quote you give above is interesting, for in it, anti-Semitism is actually pulled into the "one world" type of meme. If the Jews refuse to join the "one world" format, and continue to view themselves as separate, then they are to be condemned. This is ironic- both Right and Left can at some level agree on this- the Jew as enemy of or dissenter from a dominant "consensus."

    Usually in a lot of sci-fi movies the"one world" picture is presented, as in Star Trek's multi-culti crew representing all of earth, though of course, white leadership is usually prominent. Presumably Jews should be on board with this "one world" view. If not, then they would be again, the perennial outsiders, the irritating dissenters, the traitor parasites who are not "down" with the program.

    This may be more than mere science-fiction. Perhaps it describes the Jewish future. Both Right and Left will agree on their status. The only thing then left is a "solution" to the Jewish problem.

    In Star Trek, 2 of the 3 main characters were played by full Jews: William Shatner (ethniceleb.com) and Leonard Nimoy.

    The non-Orthodox Jewish intermarriage rate is 71% (lines of evidence.

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  • That is to say any group which sets itself apart from the human commonwealth, no matter what the reason, is acting against the interests of each individual within the group, since, no matter what each person believes, that person is a human being above all else.

    The quote you give above is interesting, for in it, anti-Semitism is actually pulled into the “one world” type of meme. If the Jews refuse to join the “one world” format, and continue to view themselves as separate, then they are to be condemned. This is ironic- both Right and Left can at some level agree on this- the Jew as enemy of or dissenter from a dominant “consensus.”

    Usually in a lot of sci-fi movies the”one world” picture is presented, as in Star Trek’s multi-culti crew representing all of earth, though of course, white leadership is usually prominent. Presumably Jews should be on board with this “one world” view. If not, then they would be again, the perennial outsiders, the irritating dissenters, the traitor parasites who are not “down” with the program.

    This may be more than mere science-fiction. Perhaps it describes the Jewish future. Both Right and Left will agree on their status. The only thing then left is a “solution” to the Jewish problem.

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    In Star Trek, 2 of the 3 main characters were played by full Jews: William Shatner (ethniceleb.com) and Leonard Nimoy.

    The non-Orthodox Jewish intermarriage rate is 71% (lines of evidence.
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  • Sure, there is some African migration to Italy and yes we all know that immigrant Guede was involved in the Knox case, but that is not, and was never at issue. At issue is the bogus claim of so-called “destruction” of Italy due to alleged “waves” of West Africans “swamping” both country and continent. Its all false. Sub-Saharan African refugees into Europe have actually been DECREASING as credible data cited above shows.

    What you say though about organized crime in the refugee centers is troubling indeed. Criminals will always appear where a quick buck can be made. In Europe, in Kosovo and nearby regions in Albania, Bosnia, Croatia etc, the same phenomenon has appeared- with crime gangs exploiting both refugees and the camp administration for profit, including trapping females into sex slavery. The link below shows how sex trafficking in Eastern Europe exploits refugees in Albania, Kosovo, Bosnia etc.

    https://womensrefugeecommission.org/resources/download/238.

    NATO troops are also involved in some ways the trade claims another article:

    https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/192/38794.html

    Yet another claims that the US is protecting Eastrn European crime gangs and the drug trade:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/kosovo-s-mafia-state-and-camp-bondsteel-towards-a-permanent-us-military-presence-in-southeast-europe/30262

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  • According to his latter writings Philip K. Dick imagined a new and better species with a higher level of awareness was evolving on earth. Science fiction has always been a medium for those want to transcend reality and politics to reach the higher truth of such a state. H G Wells was an early exponent.

    Busch (2009). Wells’s putative anti–Semitism can now be understood clearly. [...] Wells is trying, in the space of one lifetime of writing, to to to create the will on the part of diverse individuals of differing backgrounds, to think of humanity as a whole rather than a collection of necessarily competing subgroups. Whatever most deeply divides us, he insists, is to be condemned most deeply. [...] That is to say any group which sets itself apart from the human commonwealth, no matter what the reason, is acting against the interests of each individual within the group, since, no matter what each person believes, that person is a human being above all else.

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  • @Enrique Cardova
    Rubbish. West African immigrants are not "destroying" Italy. If anything their numbers are DECLINING according to credible UN reports. Highly visible arrival at some small LOCAL ports have garnered much media attention and grist for the hysterical propaganda mills, but credible data shows no alleged "swamping" of Europe, or Italy. For example, Italy is one of the frontline states, and was able to reduce the number of illegal border crossings between the West African coast and the Canary Islands from almost 32,000 in 2006, to only 250 in 2013. Here is what one credible UN Report has to say about the "overwhelming" migration of West Africans to Europe for example.

    "All indications are, however, that the number has diminished in recent years. The flow of migrants has been knocked eastward over the last decade. From the Canaries to Lampe -dusa to Greece, each route was addressed, and smugglers were running out of options. Then came the economic downturn in 2008-2009. In addition to a sharp dip in the number of irregular migrants entering, there were qualitative indications that the downturn deterred migration. Migrants interviewed by UNODC mid-way to Europe were electing to turn around, as they had been told that opportunities were drying up. By 2010, the number of irregular migrants detected entering Europe by sea plunged to less than 16,000, one-sixth the number of a decade before. But 2011 brought the unexpected: conflict in Libya and regime change in both Tunisia and Egypt. All the established points of entry experienced an increase in arrivals between 2010 and 2011, but the most striking was Lampedusa, which was overwhelmed with nearly 60,000 incoming migrants. But it appears few of these were from West Africa:

    Italy as a whole experienced a sharp decline in detected West Africans, with less than 4,000 recorded. In total, just over 17,000 irregular migrants from West Africa were detected in Spain, Italy, Malta, and Greece in 2011. This includes all migrants detected, not just those arriving without paperwork. This is about one-third less than the figure in 2010, when UNODC last assessed the flow. The flow at that time was assessed at 55,000, which would suggest a figure of some 37,000 migrants in 2011."

    SOURCE: --Smuggling of West African Migrants to Europe- 2008-2011. UNDOC.
     

    ^^So much for the ludicrously alleged "destruction" ... lol

    An African immigrant (adopted as a child by a wealthy Italian family) was responsible for the murder that Amanda Knox was imprisoned for, it was was the first killing in the city of Perugia for decades.

    9 Jun 2015: MORE than 100,000 refugees and migrants, mostly from Sub-Saharan Africa have arrived in Europe this year after crossing the Mediterranean Sea, according to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR). [...] Over the past weekend this number has included around about 6,000 people who were disembarked in southern Italy following a major rescue operation that was coordinated by the Italian Coast Guard and joined by navy ships deployed from Frontex and from Italy, Germany, Britain, Ireland, Spain and MOAS. The migrants and refugees rescued have been mostly sub-Saharan Africans and include children and pregnant women. … the refugees and migrants are now being taken care of at reception centres in Italy.

    Immigrant reception centres in Italy are so well funded that organised crime is abandoning drug trafficking for the refugee business. See here.

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  • @Jefferson
    "Watch African migrants destroy southern Italy

    https://youtu.be/fX73ggsMNEI"

    Southern Italy has a heavy Mafia presence. Where is Cosa Nostra when you need them to deal with these thuggish Mulignans.

    Rubbish. West African immigrants are not “destroying” Italy. If anything their numbers are DECLINING according to credible UN reports. Highly visible arrival at some small LOCAL ports have garnered much media attention and grist for the hysterical propaganda mills, but credible data shows no alleged “swamping” of Europe, or Italy. For example, Italy is one of the frontline states, and was able to reduce the number of illegal border crossings between the West African coast and the Canary Islands from almost 32,000 in 2006, to only 250 in 2013. Here is what one credible UN Report has to say about the “overwhelming” migration of West Africans to Europe for example.

    “All indications are, however, that the number has diminished in recent years. The flow of migrants has been knocked eastward over the last decade. From the Canaries to Lampe -dusa to Greece, each route was addressed, and smugglers were running out of options. Then came the economic downturn in 2008-2009. In addition to a sharp dip in the number of irregular migrants entering, there were qualitative indications that the downturn deterred migration. Migrants interviewed by UNODC mid-way to Europe were electing to turn around, as they had been told that opportunities were drying up. By 2010, the number of irregular migrants detected entering Europe by sea plunged to less than 16,000, one-sixth the number of a decade before. But 2011 brought the unexpected: conflict in Libya and regime change in both Tunisia and Egypt. All the established points of entry experienced an increase in arrivals between 2010 and 2011, but the most striking was Lampedusa, which was overwhelmed with nearly 60,000 incoming migrants. But it appears few of these were from West Africa:

    Italy as a whole experienced a sharp decline in detected West Africans, with less than 4,000 recorded. In total, just over 17,000 irregular migrants from West Africa were detected in Spain, Italy, Malta, and Greece in 2011. This includes all migrants detected, not just those arriving without paperwork. This is about one-third less than the figure in 2010, when UNODC last assessed the flow. The flow at that time was assessed at 55,000, which would suggest a figure of some 37,000 migrants in 2011.”

    SOURCE: –Smuggling of West African Migrants to Europe- 2008-2011. UNDOC.

    ^^So much for the ludicrously alleged “destruction” … lol

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    An African immigrant (adopted as a child by a wealthy Italian family) was responsible for the murder that Amanda Knox was imprisoned for, it was was the first killing in the city of Perugia for decades.

    9 Jun 2015: MORE than 100,000 refugees and migrants, mostly from Sub-Saharan Africa have arrived in Europe this year after crossing the Mediterranean Sea, according to the UN Refugee Agency (UNHCR). [...] Over the past weekend this number has included around about 6,000 people who were disembarked in southern Italy following a major rescue operation that was coordinated by the Italian Coast Guard and joined by navy ships deployed from Frontex and from Italy, Germany, Britain, Ireland, Spain and MOAS. The migrants and refugees rescued have been mostly sub-Saharan Africans and include children and pregnant women. ... the refugees and migrants are now being taken care of at reception centres in Italy.
     
    Immigrant reception centres in Italy are so well funded that organised crime is abandoning drug trafficking for the refugee business. See here.
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  • @P
    Dyer's interpretation of Blade Runner (or the parts of it Frost quoted anyway) makes no sense. The "whitest" characters in the movie are the replicants (except for Rachael) -- Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) and Pris (Daryl Hannah) are especially "Aryan." There's no reason to see Deckard (Harrison Ford) as any kind of representation of whiteness or WASPiness. He's not even that fair in appearance. IIRC, there are some old family photos in his apartment, and his family is not obviously Northern European, more like Jewish or something. Gaff, played by the mestizo actor Edward James Olmos, is certainly not meant to be a "dark white" in the sense that Rachael (Sean Young) is.

    The Asians in Blade Runner are overwhelmingly Chinese, so the claim that the movie depicts a future dominated by the Japanese is not correct. Blade Runner's Los Angeles looks kind of like a dump, and it's implied that whites voluntarily left the city and Earth in general to colonize other planets. For example, Pris asks J. F. Sebastian, the white scientist working for the Tyrell Corporation, why he hasn't left Earth, and he responds that he wasn't allowed to leave because of his medical condition. He lives in a huge abandoned building and says that there's no shortage of housing, implying that Los Angeles is depopulated and no one lives there unless they have to. This is similar to Elysium where whites live in affluence in space while non-whites toil in poverty on Earth.

    Any kind of racial interpretation of Blade Runner would have to deal with the fact that the replicants are depicted as especially white. However, almost all the other meaningful characters are white, too, even though the city is mostly Asian -- but this is simply for box office reasons (an all-Asian cast would still today be unthinkable in Hollywood). The only casting choice that is perhaps straightforwardly racial is that the main villain is played by a blond guy. This has been a Hollywood cliche for a long time, reflecting the fact that Nazis have become the ultimate symbol of evil in Western culture as well as the post-war Jewish cultural ascendancy in America.

    ” There’s no reason to see Deckard (Harrison Ford) as any kind of representation of whiteness”

    You do not think the Jewish Harrison Ford looks White? Than you would most likely classify Italians like Nicholas Turturro, John Turturro, Tony Danza, Jim Croce, Dean Martin, etc as not looking White either as they are even darker and less fair skin than the Jewish Harrison Ford.

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  • @Priss Factor
    Watch African migrants destroy southern Italy

    https://youtu.be/fX73ggsMNEI

    “Watch African migrants destroy southern Italy

    https://youtu.be/fX73ggsMNEI”

    Southern Italy has a heavy Mafia presence. Where is Cosa Nostra when you need them to deal with these thuggish Mulignans.

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    Rubbish. West African immigrants are not "destroying" Italy. If anything their numbers are DECLINING according to credible UN reports. Highly visible arrival at some small LOCAL ports have garnered much media attention and grist for the hysterical propaganda mills, but credible data shows no alleged "swamping" of Europe, or Italy. For example, Italy is one of the frontline states, and was able to reduce the number of illegal border crossings between the West African coast and the Canary Islands from almost 32,000 in 2006, to only 250 in 2013. Here is what one credible UN Report has to say about the "overwhelming" migration of West Africans to Europe for example.

    "All indications are, however, that the number has diminished in recent years. The flow of migrants has been knocked eastward over the last decade. From the Canaries to Lampe -dusa to Greece, each route was addressed, and smugglers were running out of options. Then came the economic downturn in 2008-2009. In addition to a sharp dip in the number of irregular migrants entering, there were qualitative indications that the downturn deterred migration. Migrants interviewed by UNODC mid-way to Europe were electing to turn around, as they had been told that opportunities were drying up. By 2010, the number of irregular migrants detected entering Europe by sea plunged to less than 16,000, one-sixth the number of a decade before. But 2011 brought the unexpected: conflict in Libya and regime change in both Tunisia and Egypt. All the established points of entry experienced an increase in arrivals between 2010 and 2011, but the most striking was Lampedusa, which was overwhelmed with nearly 60,000 incoming migrants. But it appears few of these were from West Africa:

    Italy as a whole experienced a sharp decline in detected West Africans, with less than 4,000 recorded. In total, just over 17,000 irregular migrants from West Africa were detected in Spain, Italy, Malta, and Greece in 2011. This includes all migrants detected, not just those arriving without paperwork. This is about one-third less than the figure in 2010, when UNODC last assessed the flow. The flow at that time was assessed at 55,000, which would suggest a figure of some 37,000 migrants in 2011."

    SOURCE: --Smuggling of West African Migrants to Europe- 2008-2011. UNDOC.
     

    ^^So much for the ludicrously alleged "destruction" ... lol
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  • @jb
    > Sooner or later everybody is going to mix.

    No, Razib Khan points out that there are still races in Brazil, nor will that ever happen, I’ll let you read his reasoning:

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/people-in-the-future-will-not-look-like-brazilians/


    Unless civilization collapses -- in which case we will all start differentiating again -- sooner or later everyone will mix. What Razib is pointing out is that mixing does not imply uniform beige sameness, that there will still be phenotypical variation, and of course he's right.

    But the proportions of the mix matter a lot. A mix that is predominantly Sub-Saharan African will look -- and I believe behave! -- quite differently from a mix that is predominantly Eurasian. And of course the behavior of the eventual mixed population will have a huge influence on what life is like in the future, and could be the deciding factor that determines whether civilization even has a long term future, or whether it exhausts itself and collapses into permanent barbarism. That's what I worry about, because I believe that, long term, things could easily go either way.

    A mix that is predominantly Sub-Saharan African will look — and I believe behave! — quite differently from a mix that is predominantly Eurasian.

    Presumably the “Eurasian” mix will cease the systematic mass murder of tens of millions? After all it was “Eurasians” that brought us the Holocaust under Hitler (body count about 17 million if assorted “inferior” Slavs, Russian POWs, Gypsies and other subhumans are included), the Holodomor under “Comrade” Stalin (body count -oh 12 million or so), and “the thought of Chairman Mao” in Asiatic quarters (body count over 30 million). Give or take a few oddities like Pol Pot in Cambodia (body count 1.5 to 2 million), presumably Eurasian “role models” will provide much touted “leadership” in the new “mixed” era.

    .
    And of course the behavior of the eventual mixed population will have a huge influence on what life is like in the future, and could be the deciding factor that determines whether civilization even has a long term future, or whether it exhausts itself and collapses into permanent barbarism.

    Actually you already have a test case of a “mixed” population behavior that has spawned plenty of “barbarism.” Depending on the geneticist consulted, like conservative geneticist Cavalli-Sforza, Europeans are a hybrid or “mixed” population, one third African, two-thirds Asian.

    ^^There you have it- the perfect test case of “behavior.”

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    A mix that is predominantly Sub-Saharan African will look — and I believe behave! — quite differently from a mix that is predominantly Eurasian.

    Presumably the “Eurasian” mix will cease the systematic mass murder of tens of millions? After all it was “Eurasians” that brought us the Holocaust under Hitler (body count about 17 million if assorted “inferior” Slavs, Russian POWs, Gypsies and other subhumans are included), the Holodomor under “Comrade” Stalin (body count -oh 12 million or so), and “the thought of Chairman Mao” in Asiatic quarters (body count over 30 million). Give or take a few oddities like Pol Pot in Cambodia (body count 1.5 to 2 million), presumably Eurasian “role models” will provide much touted “leadership” in the new “mixed” era.


    Oh spare me the ignorant PC cliches. Eurasians on the whole have been no more violent than anybody else. In fact, as Stephen Pinker demonstrates in his recent book, Europeans have been in the forefront of a long-term worldwide decline in violence. And Africans have never been slackers when it comes violence. (E.g., Rwanda, Shaka Zulu, Baltimore). I'll grant that Eurasians have probably been more effective than Africans in commuting really large scale violence. But then, Eurasians have been more effective than Africans in pretty much everything. :-)

    And of course the behavior of the eventual mixed population will have a huge influence on what life is like in the future, and could be the deciding factor that determines whether civilization even has a long term future, or whether it exhausts itself and collapses into permanent barbarism.

    Actually you already have a test case of a “mixed” population behavior that has spawned plenty of “barbarism.” Depending on the geneticist consulted, like conservative geneticist Cavalli-Sforza, Europeans are a hybrid or “mixed” population, one third African, two-thirds Asian.
    http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7963/eurohybrids.jpg

    ^^There you have it- the perfect test case of “behavior.”


    The information in your link is badly out of date, and not at all consistent with current thinking. In any case, the mixing of one set of peoples tens of thousands of years ago would hardly provide any sort of "test case" for the consequences of mixing of a different set of peoples today. Mixing isn't good or bad in and of itself; the important thing is who's being mixed. History seems to demonstrate that when there is too much Sub-Saharan African in the mix, things just sort of fall apart. That's what I'm worried about!
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    @Southfarthing
    For a reality check, watch Viggo Mortensen describing conservatives as "appallingly shallow and manipulative" and "brazen lying." If he was Jewish, that would be front page news on this part of the web.

    Far-right websites are the only place you see people denying that that's how city-dwelling Whites tend to view the world. If you're looking at a group that consists of many ethnicities, that means it's not one ethnicity.

    Non-Jewish-owned news sites have the same worldview, like the Daily Mail's recent biased coverage of the cop arresting youths at the pool.

    Bill Gates is one of the most influential minds alive. Anybody here can look at his twitter feed and see that he links his 23 million followers to intellectual articles and videos that convey values and behavioral norms.

    Viggo Mortensen is an actor. Like Bill Gates, he is not part of the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” “telling people what to think.” On his Twitter feed, Gates links to “intellectual articles” written by the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” “telling people what to think.” This is where physical and biological anthropology ask the following questions, and where your interest ends: Who are all these people in the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV”, “telling us what to think”? Who exactly are these people in terms of the categories of physical and biological anthropology? Are they Hottentots, Tasmanians, Yorkshiremen, Sri Lankans, Quebeckers, Okinawans?

    You don’t have to be interested in physical and biological anthropology and in their categories and questions. That’s ok. There’s no shame in that.

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    Justin Bieber has even more Twitter followers at 65 million. Neither he nor Bill Gates are part of the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” that “tells people what to think."

    Anthropology is a science that also includes physical and biological anthropology, not just cultural and Marxist anthropology. You seem to be solely interested in and focused on cultural and Marxist anthropology. That's fine. The following is a question for physical and biological anthropology: Who are all these people in the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV”, “telling us what to think”? Who exactly are these people in terms of the categories of physical and biological anthropology? Are they Dravidians, Bulgars, Boers, Laotians, Bavarians, Yoruba?

    Justin Bieber has even more Twitter followers at 65 million. Neither he nor Bill Gates are part of the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” that “tells people what to think.”

    But could it not be argued that as a result of his entertainment empire, Bieber and his 65 million “Bee-leebers” are part of the liberal elite telling or at least influencing people in what to think?

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    The following is a question for physical and biological anthropology: Who are all these people in the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV”, “telling us what to think”? Who exactly are these people in terms of the categories of physical and biological anthropology? Are they Dravidians, Bulgars, Boers, Laotians, Bavarians, Yoruba?

    The knowledge class would be the liberals at CNN the New York Times and so on- in the mainstream media And they would be mostly high IQ Caucasoids or white people in these areas. Some HBD data shows that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives. (Kanazawa 2010- Why Liberals and atheists are more intelligent) reports that that the mean adolescent intelligence of young adults who identify themselves as “very liberal” is 106.4, while that of those who identify themselves as “very conservative” is 94.8. This 12 point gap is almost as big as the B/W gap and bigger than the Asian-white gap. Two other studies conducted in the UK reached similar conclusions (Deary et al 2008). Other data before widespread white migration South from the North or Midwest after WW2, reports that southern whites have lower IQs than northern whites (Montagu 1972).

    Charles Murray hails the emergence of a cognitive elite. Hence could not higher IQ white people who usually trend liberal, be in a better position to correct or shape the thinking of their more simple-minded white conservative brethren?

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  • @Sean
    PAUL GOTTFRIED

    NOW I am beginning to notice how much more traditionalist the Communist were than our Republicans and Democrats, twin vehicles of a mental disorder that is spreading like the Black Plague in the fourteenth century. The post-World War II French Communist Party maintained traditional gender roles, much to the dismay of then Communist and later critic of the party Annie Kriegel; and it opposed Third World immigration as injurious to the French working class. Communist parties and Communist regimes frowned on homosexual relations and treated them as a telltale sign of bourgeois decadence. In the interwar period the American Communist Party took a position on race relations that one encounters these days exclusively in “race realist” publications. American Communists as well as black separatists called for a separate black region, preferably in the Deep South, where blacks would be able to develop politically and economically, apart from whites.
     

    Sean says:
    In the interwar period the American Communist Party took a position on race relations that one encounters these days exclusively in “race realist” publications. American Communists as well as black separatists called for a separate black region, preferably in the Deep South, where blacks would be able to develop politically and economically, apart from whites.

    Sean this is true but what you don’t mention is that the American Communist Party (ACP) foray into separatism was quite short -lived, and never got much traction among blacks. In 1929 the ACP under Comiterm orders, began to talk up a “black belt” separatism based on Stalin’s notion of “self-determination” or “socialism in one country.” It got very little support from most Black Americans and indeed was scornfully dismissed by the NAACP as unrealistic and inappropriate to the problems on the ground that blacks faced. The ACP garnered black support not with “separatism” but outspokenness against racism, and its willingness to undertake highly public things such as the defense of the Scottsboro Boys, and of black labor organizer Angelo Herndon – a party member sentenced to 18-20 years on a Georgia chain gang for attempting to organize workers.

    A mere 6 years after its separatist dalliance, the ACP dropped it entirely in favor of a broad based coalition of all races with the Roosevelt New Deal format. That was the end of that. See (The Identity Question: Blacks and Jews in Europe and America By Robert Philipson, )

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  • @Anonymous
    Justin Bieber has even more Twitter followers at 65 million. Neither he nor Bill Gates are part of the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” that “tells people what to think."

    Anthropology is a science that also includes physical and biological anthropology, not just cultural and Marxist anthropology. You seem to be solely interested in and focused on cultural and Marxist anthropology. That's fine. The following is a question for physical and biological anthropology: Who are all these people in the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV”, “telling us what to think”? Who exactly are these people in terms of the categories of physical and biological anthropology? Are they Dravidians, Bulgars, Boers, Laotians, Bavarians, Yoruba?

    For a reality check, watch Viggo Mortensen describing conservatives as “appallingly shallow and manipulative” and “brazen lying.” If he was Jewish, that would be front page news on this part of the web.

    Far-right websites are the only place you see people denying that that’s how city-dwelling Whites tend to view the world. If you’re looking at a group that consists of many ethnicities, that means it’s not one ethnicity.

    Non-Jewish-owned news sites have the same worldview, like the Daily Mail’s recent biased coverage of the cop arresting youths at the pool.

    Bill Gates is one of the most influential minds alive. Anybody here can look at his twitter feed and see that he links his 23 million followers to intellectual articles and videos that convey values and behavioral norms.

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    Viggo Mortensen is an actor. Like Bill Gates, he is not part of the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” "telling people what to think.” On his Twitter feed, Gates links to "intellectual articles" written by the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” "telling people what to think.” This is where physical and biological anthropology ask the following questions, and where your interest ends: Who are all these people in the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV”, “telling us what to think”? Who exactly are these people in terms of the categories of physical and biological anthropology? Are they Hottentots, Tasmanians, Yorkshiremen, Sri Lankans, Quebeckers, Okinawans?

    You don't have to be interested in physical and biological anthropology and in their categories and questions. That's ok. There's no shame in that.
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  • @jb
    While I'm not at all thrilled at the prospect of white people being numerically overwhelmed by "people of color," and while I'm particularly concerned about the population explosion in black Africa (whose people have never anywhere shown the ability to support a modern civilization on their own), to talk about the "death" of whites seems extremely overblown, and plays into the hands of the anti-racists. Even in the worst case scenario, white people will still have a lot of descendents; they will simply all be racially mixed. Nobody's going to actually die out.

    And frankly, in the long run this is guaranteed anyway. Does anybody think there will still be distinct races 50,000 years from now (if we are still around that is)? Sooner or later everybody is going to mix. What I'm mainly worried about is dysgenics; about the human population just going downhill until everything falls apart. Now I could be wrong of course. It could be that nothing like this is even remotely in the cards. But until we are allowed to talk about it, how is anyone going to know?

    to talk about the “death” of whites seems extremely overblown, and plays into the hands of the anti-racists. Even in the worst case scenario, white people will still have a lot of descendents; they will simply all be racially mixed. Nobody’s going to actually die out.

    And frankly, in the long run this is guaranteed anyway. Does anybody think there will still be distinct races 50,000 years from now (if we are still around that is)? Sooner or later everybody is going to mix.

    Indeed, you are basically correct, and Razib Khan’s info does not at all contradict what you say. All he basically shows is that in Brazil, despite an official policy of “whitening” of the population, there are still distinct “racial” groups. This is hardly news. The “death of the white race” claim, so often advanced with such hysterical certainty, is laughable propaganda.

    The “racial mix” you speak about does not at all mean distinct ethnic groups will not exist. In south America, official “whitening” policies have not meant the disappearance of “races.” And in fact under those formats there , white hegemony is STILL maintained- the people at the top of the hierarchy are STILL primarily white, though with less rigid “race” boundaries than in America with its “one drop” rule. Even under the South American “mestizo” format, white hegemony is well in hand.

    As for 50,000 years hence? Who knows? With the mobility of humans it is quite reasonable to think of more mixing occurring. It is also certain that “racial” boundaries will become more fluid. People naively assume that the US government’s little “race” style pigeonholes, and check boxes, and the formats that use them, are set in stone, apply to humanity for all time- a very laughable assumption. But this does not at all mean there will not be people with their own distinctive features, in their own distinctive locations.

    People of the far north like Swedes, will likely still retain many of those features- such as relatively shorter limb proportions, likewise people of the hot tropical zone which In Africa runs from Egypt to Botswana, will likely retain elongated limb proportions. And WITHIN those areas people will continue to vary in how they look. Africa will still continue to have the highest genetic and phenotypic diversity in the world 50,000 years hence, and will still have a vast diversity of localized climates, from hot deserts, to cold high altitude plateau. Both of those by the way tend to make for narrower noses, without needing any “incoming races” or “racial migrants” to explain why people vary in how they look.

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  • @Kat Grey
    If Europe doesn't stop bringing African migrants ashore, we will see all of western Europe suffering a "Camp of the Saints" scenario. One million men of fighting age is a nightmarish probability. Bear in mind, most Europeans are unarmed, brainwashed by liberals into pacifism and the police forces are undermanned. As for the military, well they are deployed in the Middle East fighting and dying on behalf of the elitists who are masterminding white replacement by black Africans for a cheap labour force.

    Laughable. Western Europe and its offshoots, like white America is the best armed section of the globe and that includes the ability to destroy the globe several times over with nukes. And what racial “Camp of the Saints”? This too is laughable. In fact, while LOCAL ports of entry can see very visible numbers of arrivals, OVERALL, West African refugee flow into Europe has been DECLINING as credible UN data shows.

    The major surge in migration is Caucasoids” from the Middle East. ANd white Western Europe in which Christianity is actually shrinking, is a hardly a credible venue for any would be camp of “saints”. Let’s look at actual data rather than chicken-little hysteria.

    Not only are most of the refugees to Europe the touted “Caucasoids,” most asylum applications are from the same “Caucasoids” - namely from the Russian Federation, Syrians and Afghans. The 2014-15 UNHCR UN agency for refugees notes that :

    “the crisis in the Syrian Arab Republic (Syria), in particular, has increased demand for asylum throughout the region. Germany and Sweden were the most affected, with the two countries receiving more than 50 per cent of Syrian applications. Germany was the recipient of the largest number of asylum applications overall in the region in 2013, followed by France and Sweden. While Syrians now form the second-largest group of applicants, the biggest and still increasing group comprises people from the Russian Federation. Afghans and Serbian asylum-seekers are the third- and fourth-largest groups, respectively. Also among those seeking asylum each year are stateless people. There are currently an estimated 436,000 stateless people in the region..”
    –UNHCR GLobal Trends 2014 and UNCHR 2013 Facts and Figures

    And then there are those Caucasoid Afghans- gee whatever happened to the American Operation “Enduring Freedom” in Afghanistan?:
    “In 2013, the country hosting the largest number of refugees remained Pakistan, with 1.6 million refugees. Afghanistan retained the position as the biggest source country, a position it has held for 33 years however, with 2.47 million refugees, Syria is now a close second. On average, one out of every four refugees worldwide is Afghan, with 95% located in Pakistan or Iran.”

    Jump to high Caucasoid numbers from Syria and Columbia:
    “Escalating conflict in the Syrian Arab Republic displaced an estimated 4.5 million persons in 2013, bringing the total number of IDPs in the country to 6.5 million by year end. With close to 5.4 million internally displaced persons registered by the Government by the end of 2013, Colombia too continued to face a large displacement situation.”

    Let’s look at England. The main countries of asylum seekers are again, the touted “Caucasoids,” and the first African country in the list is virtually matched neck and neck by Caucasoid Albania in the number of asylum seekers. Of the top ten countries, only 2 are African. Per UNHCR data:

    Pakistan (3,343), Iran (2,417), Sri Lanka (1,808), Syria (1,669), Eritrea (1,377), Albania (1,326), Bangladesh (1,123), Afghanistan (1,040), India (965), Nigeria (915)”
    –UNHCR 2014- “The UK and Asylum”

    And LIBERAL Europe has been doing quite well in turning back non-Caucasoids. For instance, Italy is one of the frontline states, and was able to reduce the number of illegal border crossings between the West African coast and the Canary Islands from almost 32,000 in 2006, to only 250 in 2013. In short, in terms of refugees, asylum seekers, and even people caught at key sea borders, Europe has hardly seen massive numbers of “sub Saharan blacks” reputedly “swamping” the white homeland- hysterical “HBD” propaganda to the contrary.

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  • @Jus' Sayin'...
    No one ever comments on how significantly "Blade Runner" differs from the Dick novella, "Do Androis Dream of Electric Sheep?" upon which it is very loosely based. In the novella, Deckard is most definitely a human and married to a human woman. The background to the story is that life was nearly extinguished from the planet. As a result all life has become unimaginably valued by human beings. Replicants are not natural life but monstrous creations of technology created by humans to preserve natural living things from dangerous but necessary occupations, e.g., deep space mining. Deckard is human - absolutely not replicant. He is married to a human wife. He is briefly attracted to the replicant Rachel but ultimately repelled by her when he sees her callously plucking the legs off a spider. This could be critically spun as an allegory of the contemporary racial wars where humaness equates to whiteness, life to almost all other human races, and replicants to persons of predominantly sub-Saharan African ancestry.

    Jus’ Sayin’… says:

    No one ever comments on how significantly “Blade Runner” differs from the Dick novella, “Do Androis Dream of Electric Sheep?” upon which it is very loosely based. In the novella, Deckard is most definitely a human and married to a human woman. The background to the story is that life was nearly extinguished from the planet. As a result all life has become unimaginably valued by human beings. Replicants are not natural life but monstrous creations of technology created by humans to preserve natural living things from dangerous but necessary occupations, e.g., deep space mining. Deckard is human – absolutely not replicant. He is married to a human wife. He is briefly attracted to the replicant Rachel but ultimately repelled by her when he sees her callously plucking the legs off a spider. This could be critically spun as an allegory of the contemporary racial wars where humaness equates to whiteness, life to almost all other human races, and replicants to persons of predominantly sub-Saharan African ancestry.

    Interesting- you have reversed the equation. On one level, replicants can be seen as role models of whiteness on earth- after all they are nice looking, strong, indestructible etc as someone says above. But they fail on earth, a metaphor for the failure of the white perfectionism project. Your take is to see the replicant as the oppressed non-white Other. I think that is a good angle that no one else on this thread has seen.

    In the novella, where is most of earth’s population- on another planet? And if so, have they created the replicants in their own image- white people? Is it then a case where “real” humanity (read supposed paragons of humanity, white people), have departed for another planet, while non-white “Others” remain on a “tainted” planet earth? The presence of what looks like mostly Asians in Blade Runner might suggest this. Hence the old lament- White people gone, the “culluds” taking over.

    The replicants were created to do the grunt work on other planets, but some have chosen to go to a “tainted” earth filled with the culluds. Why? Is it because the replicants want to be disassociated from their supposed “betters” on the white master planet, and hang out with humanity back on the old third planet from the sun? Why would they want to hang out with mere non-white earthlings? On the white master planet with the mo betta people, they are servitors, and serfs. But on earth they are liberated. Since they have disturbed the established order, they must be stopped, so a Deckard is sent out to wipe the slate clean.

    Peter notes that a metaphor for white demographic decline can be seen in the movie. This is certainly a possibility. The whites have departed for another planet, leaving the “Other” to keep multiplying as they always do on earth. And the replicants cannot reproduce- another metaphor for white demographic failure. Another piece of this is that the out-of-place replicants represent the failure of global white technology or – so the recalcitrant foot-soldiers have to be eliminated. Some may say the replicants stand in for anti-racist whites who refuse to buy into the dominant white narrative. They must be marginalized and eliminated. or silenced. Or if they have no racial consciousness, they may stand in for alienated or poorer whites who refuse to buy into the established military-industrial complex circa 2019. So they too have to be liquidated or silenced.

    Whatever the angle used, it is clear in both book and movie, that the replicants just “don’t fit”- they are outsiders, outlaws, not “our kind of people.”

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  • As Dyer (2000) argues, “the death of whiteness is, as far as white identity goes, the cultural dominant of our times, that we really do feel we’re played out.”

    Dyer argument is weak on some levels. White identity is still pretty strong, and will continue to be so for some time to come- whether as measured by white self-segregation in primarily their own schools and neighborhoods, the low levels of white intermarriage with other groups, and the unbroken mountain of white wealth and societal privilege. Even white liberals do not seek the overthrow of whiteness or white hegemony. They want to keep that core bottom line, but want WHITE ADJUSTMENT in another direction- without affecting the bottom line of white hegemony. White liberals aim to build their alternative white identity it could be said, in 3 ways:

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    a) Building an alternative white identity not predicated on oppression or open hostility towards a non-white other.
    White liberals have long ago figured out that white hegemony is not dependent on a snarling “minutes of hate” format against a black and brown “other.” The “Other” can be “managed”. Snarling racism is inefficient, and provokes stressful pushback and reaction from the targeted “Other.” Who needs the hassle? White liberals have figured out that it is a much better expenditure of energy to create a “multi-culti” umbrella where the Other can be incorporated into the dominant white narrative, a sort of cultural “mestizoization”- and indeed this is where Hispanics are headed as one example.

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    b) Building a new white identity based on the strong inclusion of new sub-identities such as the homosexual or the “transgendered”.

    These new white sub-identities are part, (not all) part of the wave of the future. Consider the recent TIME magazine story below on a camp for “transgendered” kids. These mostly white kids are between 6 and 12 and they have them cross-dressing. Look at young white lads below being “gendered” or “getting in touch” with themselves as girls.

    http://time.com/3743987/gender-creative-kids/

    White kid being “gendered” or “sensitized” into his female side:

    http://millana.tumblr.com/image/55612822737

    http://static1.squarespace.com/static/5106d439e4b01d5a75f35d79/t/5553c088e4b05be4fb5036c9/1431552139664/?format=1000w

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    c) Solidifying the new white identity on a basis that minimizes, disparages or dismisses traditional Christianity, and/or its moral basis and effect.
    Some see this as an exclusive left wing project, but the white right wing also despises Christianity. It uses Christian imagery for its own purposes, but it despises Christianity’s view of the sinfulness of all men, the equality of all men before God, the brotherhood of all true believers, the application of moral rules and guidelines to human life including fair treatment and justice for example, and the supremacy of God as a Creator, and ultimate judge.

    Most hereditarian or “HBD” types for example dismiss the notion of a Supreme Creator and His work in favor of a more atheist flavored evolutionary format divided into a hierarchy of superior and inferior sub-species. Most disparage Christianity’s notions of brotherhood, and just treatment, especially where non-whites are involved. Labels, spiels, tactics and degrees vary, but this is the bottom line. In this sense both the “politically correct” white left, and the “racialist” white right are both dedicated to the demolition of, or the disparagement of the influence of Christianity.

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  • Peter says:
    This sounds ominous. It strangely resembles what some people wrote in the 19th century about the disappearing American Indian and the disappearing Australian Aborigines. It was all for the best, some argued. As “savages” declined in numbers and disappeared, their lands would be resettled and better societies created. Today, whites are being seen in this light. Their departure from existence will purportedly bring an end to inequality and suffering, thus making the world a better place. So goes the narrative, and few seem to be challenging it, no matter how outrageous it becomes.

    Yes, one can see this interpretation, and I would agree with you that whites too, like other people, have a legitimate concern about the changes around them that depose some privileged positions. Sure, This is natural. The replicants may serve as symbolic of whites, being unable to regain lost demographic ground, substitute “clones” of themselves. But this may have some implications for the future. It could be that technology will reverse white demographic decline, and cloning technology will rebuild white numbers. Whether white people will seize this opportunity is open to question. The desire of today;s white women for smaller families, with more focus on careers, and the desire of the white “smart set” for trendy “designer” clones and smaller, reputedly “sustainable” populations, may clash with pressing white demographic needs.

    The failure of the replicants- the epitome of whiteness, and white perfection, can be seen as an allegory for white failure in this respect. White technology or plans or earth have failed- so the recalcitrant foot-soldiers have to be eliminated. Some may say the replicants stand in for anti-racist whites who refuse to buy into the dominant white narrative. They must be marginalized and eliminated. Or if they have no racial consciousness, they may stand in for alienated or poorer whites who refuse to buy into the established military-industrial complex circa 2019. So they have to be liquidated. The replicants cannot reproduce- another metaphor for white demographic failure.

    Still as you point out, there is some sort of suggestion in the movie that whites have departed for another planet, leaving a “tainted” earth for the “lesser stocks.” This can serve as a metaphor for “white flight” and a host of other things. It would also imply that whites have the power to simply recreate that hegemony in new venues, and this indeed has happened in real life per above with housing and school patterns.

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  • Dyer quoted says:
    .Whites often seem to have a special relation with death, to yearn for it but also to bring it to others. [...] I have been wary of dwelling on the fearfulness – sometimes horrible, sometimes bleak – of the white association with death. To do so risks making whites look tragic and sad and thus comes perilously close to a ‘me-too’, ‘we’re oppressed’, ‘poor us’ position that seems to equalise suffering, to ignore that active role of whites in promulgating inequality and suffering.

    It could easily be taken as giving us a let-out from acknowledging the privilege and effortless power of even the most lowly of those designated as white. Yet, if the white association with death is the logical outcome of the way in which whites have had power, then perhaps recognition of our deathliness may be the one thing that will make us relinquish it.

    What Dyer says here can be criticized as political correctness, but the same obsession with death, whether to inflict it on others, or as tragic victims also appears in some white right-wing writing as well. Proponents of Nazism for example or similar racialist ideas embrace the infliction of pain and death on an inferior “Other”- usually non-white or a less racially pure specimen- mirroring what Dyer says about white possession and use of power. This worked out in real life during WW2, and indeed the main German antagonist gloried in the infliction of pain and death against the targeted “Other.”.

    Likewise the nilhism spoken of by other white right-wing authors falls into this pattern. Even Nietzsche held that nilhism was a widespread and negative phenomenon of Western culture. In short then, pace Nietzsche the right wing hero, nilhism is a characteristic of whiteness.

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  • Peter says:
    It is really only with Blade Runner (1982) that popular culture began to acknowledge the imminence of white demise.

    Perhaps but White demise is imagined in dozens of earlier films, and they like Blade Runner have no overtly “racial” angle. The many films that portray and apocalypse of nuclear war brought about by whites are an example. Some others were more explicit- such as “The Lathe of Heaven” (1979) involving a fatal disease that only affects whites. Most though portray a dismal future for mankind brought on by mankind’s greed, lust for power, obsession with technology and inability to control that technology.

    In almost all of these films, the “mankind” that brings about the disastrous state are white people. So white demise has long been a topic in film- indirectly projected but the audience has no doubt that the dark, negative future (whether it be of runaway technology, runaway viruses, or runaway “Big Brother” totalitarian dictatorships) is a white future. Even Blade Runner involves mostly white technology and white role models of the future- the replicants.

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    We think of the 1980s as the Reagan Era, a time when White America pushed back after a long retreat during the previous two decades. In reality, the retreat picked up speed. ..

    Some view it this way, but the reality is that White American “backlash or “push back” has been around since the 1960s, and Richard Nixon and Barry Goldwater both skillfully exploited it to build a “southern strategy” of Republican ascendancy in the South. The other reality is that whites did not so much “retreat” as retool and re-adjust the false narratives and untenable behavior they had gotten away with for decades. But this re-adjustment still maintained white hegemony. Schools are not as bad as in the days of full Jim Crow for example- there has been improvement, and the elimination of outright race barriers, and blacks are free to attend where they want, a right denied them in contrast other Americans. But by in large, white people have achieved separation and segregated themselves off from non-whites, and both their schools and neighborhoods reflect this.

    As far as “affirmative action” Nixon’s famous “Philadelphia plan” quota program was specifically created to drive a wedge in the Dem coalition of Blacks, Jews and Labor, and in this the tactical guile of Nixon succeeded, and is working profitably to this day, for AA is a prime mobilizer of the white right wing base. As far as AA it has been long limited and restricted to trivial proportions, and has been on life support for over a decade. Calif’s Prop 209 for example was almost 2 decades ago. Many other examples can be given but white people have not so much retreated as reasserted their hegemony under new guises, labels, and new formats, but that hegemony never went away.

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    Thus, in the year 2019, we see whites inhabiting a world that is no longer theirs, with some like Sebastian living alone within the decaying shell of their past—the grand but neglected building where most of the action takes place.

    This indeed could be one way of viewing it, but the other way is that the world was never really theirs. Ethnic groups come and go. Whatever happened to the Jutes or the Vandals for example? Or the Nervii vanquished by Caesar? During the Neolithic a large slice of what would be Europe’s population entered from the sub-tropical “Middle East”- filling spaces not permanently occupied by previous hunter gatherer types.

    There is nothing sacred about today’s white population, or white nations — just as we are often reminded by many on the right, there is nothing sacred about today’s State of Israel. If today’s Israel is not sacred, why should say today’s Germany be any more sacrosanct? In fact many of today’s white nations are slated to disappear in a century or so, maybe less, as the bureaucratic octopus of the European Union takes over. White America itself may not be around in a century. The people driving such trends are not Third World culluds, but whites themselves. They will come and go, just as it has in the past, and change will happen.

    Generally though, despite a reshuffling in nations and jurisdictions, it can be expected that today’s whites will continue to inhabit the territory they do today in Europe. What they need to do is to reverse their self-inflicted demographic decline. Failing that, then they must re-adjust to a “mestizo” format- but that will still maintain white hegemony on top of the hierarchy. This has already been pioneered in some South American countries.

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  • Pat says:
    Dyer’s interpretation of Blade Runner (or the parts of it Frost quoted anyway) makes no sense. The “whitest” characters in the movie are the replicants (except for Rachael) — Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) and Pris (Daryl Hannah) are especially “Aryan.” There’s no reason to see Deckard (Harrison Ford) as any kind of representation of whiteness or WASPiness.

    Yes, some of Dyer’s interpretations are a stretch, though drawing on such writings, I think Peter can to some extent run with it as a useful metaphor for the future. Indeed Blade Runner and others in similar genre, have generated much commentary as a foreshadowing of Western man’s future.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Southfarthing
    Gates directly tells 22.6 million people what to think every day. That's far more than the 4.6 million who watched the Mad Men finale. What numbers are you using that show 23 million people every day is a small audience?

    Anthropology is a science, and the scientific quality that predicts leadership in favor of immigration is membership of the Forbes 400. Those predictions have a 99.25% success rate.

    In contrast, Jews are more against immigration than for it. It looks an awful lot like the scientific quality that predicts positions is ideology group.

    Justin Bieber has even more Twitter followers at 65 million. Neither he nor Bill Gates are part of the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” that “tells people what to think.”

    Anthropology is a science that also includes physical and biological anthropology, not just cultural and Marxist anthropology. You seem to be solely interested in and focused on cultural and Marxist anthropology. That’s fine. The following is a question for physical and biological anthropology: Who are all these people in the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV”, “telling us what to think”? Who exactly are these people in terms of the categories of physical and biological anthropology? Are they Dravidians, Bulgars, Boers, Laotians, Bavarians, Yoruba?

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    For a reality check, watch Viggo Mortensen describing conservatives as "appallingly shallow and manipulative" and "brazen lying." If he was Jewish, that would be front page news on this part of the web.

    Far-right websites are the only place you see people denying that that's how city-dwelling Whites tend to view the world. If you're looking at a group that consists of many ethnicities, that means it's not one ethnicity.

    Non-Jewish-owned news sites have the same worldview, like the Daily Mail's recent biased coverage of the cop arresting youths at the pool.

    Bill Gates is one of the most influential minds alive. Anybody here can look at his twitter feed and see that he links his 23 million followers to intellectual articles and videos that convey values and behavioral norms.
    , @Enrique Cardova
    Justin Bieber has even more Twitter followers at 65 million. Neither he nor Bill Gates are part of the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” that “tells people what to think.”

    But could it not be argued that as a result of his entertainment empire, Bieber and his 65 million "Bee-leebers" are part of the liberal elite telling or at least influencing people in what to think?

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    The following is a question for physical and biological anthropology: Who are all these people in the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV”, “telling us what to think”? Who exactly are these people in terms of the categories of physical and biological anthropology? Are they Dravidians, Bulgars, Boers, Laotians, Bavarians, Yoruba?

    The knowledge class would be the liberals at CNN the New York Times and so on- in the mainstream media And they would be mostly high IQ Caucasoids or white people in these areas. Some HBD data shows that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives. (Kanazawa 2010- Why Liberals and atheists are more intelligent) reports that that the mean adolescent intelligence of young adults who identify themselves as "very liberal" is 106.4, while that of those who identify themselves as "very conservative" is 94.8. This 12 point gap is almost as big as the B/W gap and bigger than the Asian-white gap. Two other studies conducted in the UK reached similar conclusions (Deary et al 2008). Other data before widespread white migration South from the North or Midwest after WW2, reports that southern whites have lower IQs than northern whites (Montagu 1972).

    Charles Murray hails the emergence of a cognitive elite. Hence could not higher IQ white people who usually trend liberal, be in a better position to correct or shape the thinking of their more simple-minded white conservative brethren?
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  • @Anonymous
    Gates, like everyone else, thinks what the "knowledge class" in "journalism and TV" "tells people what to think". He himself is not part of the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” and in the business of “telling people what to think.”

    So the question is, who are all these people in the “knowledge class” in "journalism and TV", "telling us what to think"? Are they Yakuts, Cherokee, Basques, Lithuanians, Taiwanese, Hopi, Copts, Amish? Who exactly are these people? This is an anthropology blog; can we winnow down our list of human groups? Or do we not have enough evidence yet to conclude that, say, the Hopi Indians or the Mennonites are not part of this “knowledge class” in "journalism and TV", "telling us what to think"?

    Gates directly tells 22.6 million people what to think every day. That’s far more than the 4.6 million who watched the Mad Men finale. What numbers are you using that show 23 million people every day is a small audience?

    Anthropology is a science, and the scientific quality that predicts leadership in favor of immigration is membership of the Forbes 400. Those predictions have a 99.25% success rate.

    In contrast, Jews are more against immigration than for it. It looks an awful lot like the scientific quality that predicts positions is ideology group.

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    Justin Bieber has even more Twitter followers at 65 million. Neither he nor Bill Gates are part of the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” that “tells people what to think."

    Anthropology is a science that also includes physical and biological anthropology, not just cultural and Marxist anthropology. You seem to be solely interested in and focused on cultural and Marxist anthropology. That's fine. The following is a question for physical and biological anthropology: Who are all these people in the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV”, “telling us what to think”? Who exactly are these people in terms of the categories of physical and biological anthropology? Are they Dravidians, Bulgars, Boers, Laotians, Bavarians, Yoruba?
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  • PAUL GOTTFRIED

    NOW I am beginning to notice how much more traditionalist the Communist were than our Republicans and Democrats, twin vehicles of a mental disorder that is spreading like the Black Plague in the fourteenth century. The post-World War II French Communist Party maintained traditional gender roles, much to the dismay of then Communist and later critic of the party Annie Kriegel; and it opposed Third World immigration as injurious to the French working class. Communist parties and Communist regimes frowned on homosexual relations and treated them as a telltale sign of bourgeois decadence. In the interwar period the American Communist Party took a position on race relations that one encounters these days exclusively in “race realist” publications. American Communists as well as black separatists called for a separate black region, preferably in the Deep South, where blacks would be able to develop politically and economically, apart from whites.

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    Sean says:
    In the interwar period the American Communist Party took a position on race relations that one encounters these days exclusively in “race realist” publications. American Communists as well as black separatists called for a separate black region, preferably in the Deep South, where blacks would be able to develop politically and economically, apart from whites.

    Sean this is true but what you don't mention is that the American Communist Party (ACP) foray into separatism was quite short -lived, and never got much traction among blacks. In 1929 the ACP under Comiterm orders, began to talk up a "black belt" separatism based on Stalin's notion of "self-determination" or "socialism in one country." It got very little support from most Black Americans and indeed was scornfully dismissed by the NAACP as unrealistic and inappropriate to the problems on the ground that blacks faced. The ACP garnered black support not with "separatism" but outspokenness against racism, and its willingness to undertake highly public things such as the defense of the Scottsboro Boys, and of black labor organizer Angelo Herndon - a party member sentenced to 18-20 years on a Georgia chain gang for attempting to organize workers.

    A mere 6 years after its separatist dalliance, the ACP dropped it entirely in favor of a broad based coalition of all races with the Roosevelt New Deal format. That was the end of that. See (The Identity Question: Blacks and Jews in Europe and America By Robert Philipson, )
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Southfarthing
    Bill Gates has 23 million Twitter followers. He tells people what to think.

    He's devoted his life since Microsoft to benefiting people who aren't White, mostly Africans, and also tells people they should think immigration is good.

    The Forbes 400 are in the business of telling people what to think because they hold megaphone whenever they want. They create organizations like Taki's Mag and the Huffington Post, or like the Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes, buy The New Republic.

    Gates, like everyone else, thinks what the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” “tells people what to think”. He himself is not part of the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” and in the business of “telling people what to think.”

    So the question is, who are all these people in the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV”, “telling us what to think”? Are they Yakuts, Cherokee, Basques, Lithuanians, Taiwanese, Hopi, Copts, Amish? Who exactly are these people? This is an anthropology blog; can we winnow down our list of human groups? Or do we not have enough evidence yet to conclude that, say, the Hopi Indians or the Mennonites are not part of this “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV”, “telling us what to think”?

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    Gates directly tells 22.6 million people what to think every day. That's far more than the 4.6 million who watched the Mad Men finale. What numbers are you using that show 23 million people every day is a small audience?

    Anthropology is a science, and the scientific quality that predicts leadership in favor of immigration is membership of the Forbes 400. Those predictions have a 99.25% success rate.

    In contrast, Jews are more against immigration than for it. It looks an awful lot like the scientific quality that predicts positions is ideology group.
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  • Anon, Well the ideas came from France to give intellectuals and legalists in revolt against the world a rationale to overturn traditional allegiance. As for homosexualty normalisation being a recent idea, the first legalisation of homosexualty was after the French Revolution. Most intellectuals who played leading roles in the Revolution were lawyers. Joseph de Maistre had went to Russia to get away from revolutionary ideas and found the St Petersburg elite were entranced by fashionable French ideology. Homosexuality was legalised, criminalised; legalised by the Bolsheviks then re criminalised. Many Russian intellectuals like Gorky had the most fantastic ideas, and complete contempt for the Russian peasantry.

    This business of the mass media running everythiing is probablly misleading Debord wrote The Society of the Spectacle. Then came 1968, when De Gaulle fled (to Germany of all places) it was Paris students who were behind the attempt to overthrow all existing conditions.

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  • @Anonymous
    Gates and Buffett are not part of the "knowledge class". They're not in "journalism and TV" and in the business of "telling people what to think."

    Bill Gates has 23 million Twitter followers. He tells people what to think.

    He’s devoted his life since Microsoft to benefiting people who aren’t White, mostly Africans, and also tells people they should think immigration is good.

    The Forbes 400 are in the business of telling people what to think because they hold megaphone whenever they want. They create organizations like Taki’s Mag and the Huffington Post, or like the Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes, buy The New Republic.

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    Gates, like everyone else, thinks what the "knowledge class" in "journalism and TV" "tells people what to think". He himself is not part of the “knowledge class” in “journalism and TV” and in the business of “telling people what to think.”

    So the question is, who are all these people in the “knowledge class” in "journalism and TV", "telling us what to think"? Are they Yakuts, Cherokee, Basques, Lithuanians, Taiwanese, Hopi, Copts, Amish? Who exactly are these people? This is an anthropology blog; can we winnow down our list of human groups? Or do we not have enough evidence yet to conclude that, say, the Hopi Indians or the Mennonites are not part of this “knowledge class” in "journalism and TV", "telling us what to think"?
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  • @Jeff Albertson
    ot and tardy; the dark prince in the arena (I don't know why this isn't getting more attention) cites Frost
    yarvin9 11 hours ago

    I shouldn't post as urbit. Quite a few other people, few of whom agree with me on anything, have worked on the project.
    The word "racist" and its conjugations does not appear in the English language until the 1920s - see Peter Frost's cultural history [0]. If you asked Shakespeare if he was a "racist," he would not know what you meant.
    "Racist" is essentially a term of abuse which no group or party has ever applied to itself. Like most such epithets, it has two meanings - a clear objective one, describing a person who fails to believe in the anthropological theories of human equality which became first popular, then universal in the mid-20th century; and a caricature of the vices, personal or political, typically engaged in by such a foul unbeliever.
    I actually like the answer given by Steve Klabnik above [1]. To call Steve a communist is a serious personal insult, and you can get banned for it [2]. However, Steve reserves the right to call himself a communist, or not, as he likes. This is actually kind of cool...
    [0] - http://www.unz.com/pfrost/age-of-reason/ [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9676630 [2] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9676861

    The term racism/racialism was first used in 1871 in the context of the British colonies, and in 1902 in the context of the U.S. Indian Wars.

    Peter Frost’s date of the 1920s was referring to the first widespread usage, when it came to be seen as a pressing issue.

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  • @Anonymous
    Peter, what do you think of the 1990 Arnold Schwarzeneggar movie Total Recall? It is also based on a Philip K. Dick story, and it is set on a Mars colony in 2048. I haven't seen the movie in a while, but I don't remember there being many non-whites in the movie. The only non-white I remember is a black taxi driver who turns out to be an evil mutant that betrays the hero, played by Arnold, and is subsequently killed by the hero with a large motorized screw:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64zpxzeD97E

    Total Recall (1990) would get points here for celebrating traditional masculinity.

    But Schwarzenegger’s conservative blonde wife turns out to be a spy, and his real love ends up being the exotic multicultural liberal who works in a brothel.

    The villain tries but fails to reprogram her into traditional gender roles: “You’re going to be respectful, compliant, and appreciative, the way a woman should be.”

    It was directed by Paul Verhoeven (Dutch). Verhoeven wrote a book describing Christ as a radical political activist.

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  • @Southfarthing
    The Forbes 400 hold the reins of society, and they're mostly nice guys like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. 99.25% (397) of the Forbes 400 have failed to voice an opinion against immigration.

    Gates and Buffett are not part of the “knowledge class”. They’re not in “journalism and TV” and in the business of “telling people what to think.”

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    Bill Gates has 23 million Twitter followers. He tells people what to think.

    He's devoted his life since Microsoft to benefiting people who aren't White, mostly Africans, and also tells people they should think immigration is good.

    The Forbes 400 are in the business of telling people what to think because they hold megaphone whenever they want. They create organizations like Taki's Mag and the Huffington Post, or like the Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes, buy The New Republic.
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  • @Anonymous
    This is an anthropology blog, and the anthropologist here focuses on physical and biological anthropology, not on cultural or Marxist anthropology. So who are all these people in the "knowledge class"? Are they Pygmies, Nordics, Finno-Ugrians, Chuckchi, Andaman Islanders, Berbers, etc.? Who exactly are these people?

    The Forbes 400 hold the reins of society, and they’re mostly nice guys like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. 99.25% (397) of the Forbes 400 have failed to voice an opinion against immigration.

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    Gates and Buffett are not part of the "knowledge class". They're not in "journalism and TV" and in the business of "telling people what to think."
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  • “the privilege and effortless power of even the most lowly of those designated as white.”

    Dyer sounds like a Nazi.

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  • @Priss Factor
    "Gay (and gay-friendly) television viewers spend money, tons of money."

    Homos constitute 2%, at most 3%, of the population.

    So, homos alone doesn't cut it.

    So, it's about homo-friendly viewers who are themselves not homo.

    But WHY DID THEY BECOME HOMO-FRIENDLY IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN THE US USED TO BE ANTI-HOMO?

    Wasn't it because Jews and Libs who control the media and education used pro-homo propaganda in schools, entertainment, and advertising?

    People are not naturally homo-friendly. They were made that way, but how? By the power of advertising in large part.

    YEESH!!

    There was a time when US was very anti-homo. That being the case, why did the media and entertainment keep pushing stuff that made homos look positive? Why didn't they fear alienating customers and viewers?

    True,entertainment and advertising pander to the masses, but they also try to change mass tastes and attitudes in ways both subtle and not-so-subtle.

    Seems a child-proof cap might have prevented this mess. Ah, too little, too late.

    I blame the Octaroons.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:
    @B. Roche
    Sheesh. Look at the ads which run during programs which contain your "homo characters" and you may start to get some clues.

    Gay (and gay-friendly) television viewers spend money, tons of money. They constitute what sales and marketing people call an "upscale demographic" (demos = people; graphic = something measured or charted).

    Another way of understanding the scheme: broadcast television rents audiences' eyes to advertisers, and it is the programming which brings in the eyes.

    Media conglomerates are businesses, so they not only seek ever-increasing revenues, they want more market share. They have this in common with their advertisers, so, yes, they want not only your eyes, but also your metadata and your mind. They count on audiences/consumers being predictable, sheep-like. But they aren't really in control of social trends. They capitalize on trends, quite literally.

    In other words, if a segment of society fears or hates open homosexuality, television marketers will definitely see to it that such fear gets graphed, analyzed, and, if it is found to be common among a demographic which has money to spend on something predictable, then, without doubt, that fear will be marketed to, and it will make a profit for the networks and for the advertisers. (Think about the advertising you might see during pro wrestling, or some of the more vitriolic FoxNews hate programming.)

    Mass media is a huge machine designed to keep people consuming, and not thinking. No other agenda, though that's quite a broad and generally destructive one, I have to say. It is sinister enough, but it isn't completely in charge... yet.

    If someone thinks commercial media is about something other than generating revenue, then they naturally will have a hard time acquiring immunity to media's effects. And if mass media is the most pervasive influence in someone's understanding, it is no wonder why everything, EVERYTHING, seems so increasingly pointless, so mind-numbing, so wrong. I have to quote Umberto Eco:


    As with the best products of mass entertainment, the confusion of collateral information serves only to make appetizing a central structure that is unrelentingly redundant, so that the reader [viewer, consumer] will receive always and only what he has already known (or understood).
     

    “Gay (and gay-friendly) television viewers spend money, tons of money.”

    Homos constitute 2%, at most 3%, of the population.

    So, homos alone doesn’t cut it.

    So, it’s about homo-friendly viewers who are themselves not homo.

    But WHY DID THEY BECOME HOMO-FRIENDLY IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN THE US USED TO BE ANTI-HOMO?

    Wasn’t it because Jews and Libs who control the media and education used pro-homo propaganda in schools, entertainment, and advertising?

    People are not naturally homo-friendly. They were made that way, but how? By the power of advertising in large part.

    YEESH!!

    There was a time when US was very anti-homo. That being the case, why did the media and entertainment keep pushing stuff that made homos look positive? Why didn’t they fear alienating customers and viewers?

    True,entertainment and advertising pander to the masses, but they also try to change mass tastes and attitudes in ways both subtle and not-so-subtle.

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    Seems a child-proof cap might have prevented this mess. Ah, too little, too late.

    I blame the Octaroons.
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  • Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:
    @Anonymous
    This is an anthropology blog, and the anthropologist here focuses on physical and biological anthropology, not on cultural or Marxist anthropology. So who are all these people in the "knowledge class"? Are they Pygmies, Nordics, Finno-Ugrians, Chuckchi, Andaman Islanders, Berbers, etc.? Who exactly are these people?

    “Who exactly are these people?”

    Yo Mama, that’s who.

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  • @Sean
    They are the knowledge class and just like in professional sports some ethnicities are more prominent that others. Though Tarantino (like Dyke) is part of the majority. The ideas come from academia and are Marxism for rich people

    This is an anthropology blog, and the anthropologist here focuses on physical and biological anthropology, not on cultural or Marxist anthropology. So who are all these people in the “knowledge class”? Are they Pygmies, Nordics, Finno-Ugrians, Chuckchi, Andaman Islanders, Berbers, etc.? Who exactly are these people?

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    "Who exactly are these people?"

    Yo Mama, that's who.
    , @Southfarthing
    The Forbes 400 hold the reins of society, and they're mostly nice guys like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. 99.25% (397) of the Forbes 400 have failed to voice an opinion against immigration.
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  • They are the knowledge class and just like in professional sports some ethnicities are more prominent that others. Though Tarantino (like Dyke) is part of the majority. The ideas come from academia and are Marxism for rich people

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    This is an anthropology blog, and the anthropologist here focuses on physical and biological anthropology, not on cultural or Marxist anthropology. So who are all these people in the "knowledge class"? Are they Pygmies, Nordics, Finno-Ugrians, Chuckchi, Andaman Islanders, Berbers, etc.? Who exactly are these people?
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  • @Priss Factor
    "the only thing the network is going to care about is the bottom line: ad revenue."

    Then why did they begin to add so many homo characters?

    Networks do care about money, of course, but they do try to subtly and not-so-subtly use entertainment to change trends, opinions, and minds.

    Sheesh. Look at the ads which run during programs which contain your “homo characters” and you may start to get some clues.

    Gay (and gay-friendly) television viewers spend money, tons of money. They constitute what sales and marketing people call an “upscale demographic” (demos = people; graphic = something measured or charted).

    Another way of understanding the scheme: broadcast television rents audiences’ eyes to advertisers, and it is the programming which brings in the eyes.

    Media conglomerates are businesses, so they not only seek ever-increasing revenues, they want more market share. They have this in common with their advertisers, so, yes, they want not only your eyes, but also your metadata and your mind. They count on audiences/consumers being predictable, sheep-like. But they aren’t really in control of social trends. They capitalize on trends, quite literally.

    In other words, if a segment of society fears or hates open homosexuality, television marketers will definitely see to it that such fear gets graphed, analyzed, and, if it is found to be common among a demographic which has money to spend on something predictable, then, without doubt, that fear will be marketed to, and it will make a profit for the networks and for the advertisers. (Think about the advertising you might see during pro wrestling, or some of the more vitriolic FoxNews hate programming.)

    Mass media is a huge machine designed to keep people consuming, and not thinking. No other agenda, though that’s quite a broad and generally destructive one, I have to say. It is sinister enough, but it isn’t completely in charge… yet.

    If someone thinks commercial media is about something other than generating revenue, then they naturally will have a hard time acquiring immunity to media’s effects. And if mass media is the most pervasive influence in someone’s understanding, it is no wonder why everything, EVERYTHING, seems so increasingly pointless, so mind-numbing, so wrong. I have to quote Umberto Eco:

    As with the best products of mass entertainment, the confusion of collateral information serves only to make appetizing a central structure that is unrelentingly redundant, so that the reader [viewer, consumer] will receive always and only what he has already known (or understood).

    Read More
    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    "Gay (and gay-friendly) television viewers spend money, tons of money."

    Homos constitute 2%, at most 3%, of the population.

    So, homos alone doesn't cut it.

    So, it's about homo-friendly viewers who are themselves not homo.

    But WHY DID THEY BECOME HOMO-FRIENDLY IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN THE US USED TO BE ANTI-HOMO?

    Wasn't it because Jews and Libs who control the media and education used pro-homo propaganda in schools, entertainment, and advertising?

    People are not naturally homo-friendly. They were made that way, but how? By the power of advertising in large part.

    YEESH!!

    There was a time when US was very anti-homo. That being the case, why did the media and entertainment keep pushing stuff that made homos look positive? Why didn't they fear alienating customers and viewers?

    True,entertainment and advertising pander to the masses, but they also try to change mass tastes and attitudes in ways both subtle and not-so-subtle.

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  • @Sean
    In the 80 futuristic fiction predicted the eclipse of whites, though usually by East Asians. In Shadow of the Torturer its was Koreans.

    Now, I like Star Trek, but please, let’s qualify and just admit, now that we know and understand, that the first purpose of broadcast television is to sell,

     

    Well the first television was in the 1930's which was the still non commercial British Broadcasting Corporation. . The head of the BBC called it disgustingly white a few years ago. In its very popular fantasy series Dr. Who three of the last four assistants have been white girls with black boyfriends. Jobs in journalism and TV are the most difficult to get into because is sells tampons, or because it tells people what to think?

    Tarantino likes the way whites die, defenceless white women too.

    So who are all these people in “journalism and TV”? Are they Poles, Orcadians, Estonians, Japanese, Samoans, Sardinians, etc.? Who exactly are these people?

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  • Sean says:

    In the 80 futuristic fiction predicted the eclipse of whites, though usually by East Asians. In Shadow of the Torturer its was Koreans.

    Now, I like Star Trek, but please, let’s qualify and just admit, now that we know and understand, that the first purpose of broadcast television is to sell,

    Well the first television was in the 1930′s which was the still non commercial British Broadcasting Corporation. . The head of the BBC called it disgustingly white a few years ago. In its very popular fantasy series Dr. Who three of the last four assistants have been white girls with black boyfriends. Jobs in journalism and TV are the most difficult to get into because is sells tampons, or because it tells people what to think?

    Tarantino likes the way whites die, defenceless white women too.

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    So who are all these people in "journalism and TV"? Are they Poles, Orcadians, Estonians, Japanese, Samoans, Sardinians, etc.? Who exactly are these people?
    , @Uncle Peregrine
    For all the criticism _Django Unchained_ gets here, Tarantino is not an essentialist. The hero of _Inglourious Basterds_ is a White Southerner and the hero of _Django_ is a German.
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  • Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:
    @B. Roche
    While casting is the job of casting directors, working under directors, writers, producers, exective producers, and often even studio bigwigs, the decision making in television production is based on timeslot, sponsorships, audience ratings. It means ad revenue. You know, commercials.

    Absolutely no other factor stands before ad sales, projected or real.

    When a network picks up a new show, it is taking on risk, mitigated (it is hoped) by marketing and promotion. Production studios (the companies who develop, produce and sell properties, a.k.a. "shows" to the networks) commence their own marketing research while in development, and marketing research figures hugely, and often meticulously into casting, that is, into ratings and ad sales.

    In the case of Star Trek, I doubt many high-ticket advertisers would buy commercial air time if Captain Kirk were a black woman, or a Vulcan, or a robotic head of lettuce. The network execs knew this of course, as did Gene Rodenberry. The racial make-up of the cast did of course reflect a rather idealized liberal vision, but the show was not exactly a blockbuster. Somewhat ahead of its time(slot).

    And, well, jeez, did you know that Bladerunner was based on a short novel by Philip K. Dick? You might want to read it. It's quite different in emphasis and plot from the Ridley Scott thing.

    Regardless of how one might analyze, idolize or condemn those who produce television programming, the only thing the network is going to care about is the bottom line: ad revenue. (The same is true for feature films, but the revenue is not from ad sales, but rather from the box office take, as well as video sales, licensing, etc. Media content production is thus "franchise" production.)

    So, even before the mid or late 1990s, when the web caused a nose-dive in revenue streams derived from broadcast television (and feature film, and print media), the purveyors of "critical theory" rarely if ever seemed to understand this very basic, non-mystical point.

    I'm sure a defense might be made that one person's opinion is as good as another's, but, sorry, this article has (and cites) some telltale elements of the pomo reach-around: formalism, jargon, vagueness/lack of rigor, ignorance of subject matter.

    Addressing the vagueness/lack of rigor:

    A novel, whether mass-marketed or not, is neither a movie nor a television series.

    Evolutionary theory and geno-/phenotypological distribution in time and space are not what the Nielsen rating system measures.

    Now, I like Star Trek, but please, let's qualify and just admit, now that we know and understand, that the first purpose of broadcast television is to sell, and it does sell: laxative, tires, insurance, beer, tampons, etc. If it didn't sell those things, you'd never have known about it. While it is fair and often interesting to look into entertainment more deeply, missing this primary point about ad sales, and then waxing all socio-political is a bit ingenuous.

    What is really a very interesting angle to disect media is that mass "product" is produced by mass-minded people, those whose livelihood requires them to become increasingly ignorant of the world, of art, of history. We might call such intellectually uncurious people "hacks." Writers for television and film naturally internalize the hack values of the medium (ratings, sales). They know, without even being aware that they know, what will sell and what won't.

    By the same token -- pun intended -- hack-ademics know, without even thinking, that "gender-discourse" (or whatever) means tenure (ratings, sales).

    The work of actual writers (Wells, Dick) rarely if ever survive such blunt hacks.

    “the only thing the network is going to care about is the bottom line: ad revenue.”

    Then why did they begin to add so many homo characters?

    Networks do care about money, of course, but they do try to subtly and not-so-subtly use entertainment to change trends, opinions, and minds.

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    Sheesh. Look at the ads which run during programs which contain your "homo characters" and you may start to get some clues.

    Gay (and gay-friendly) television viewers spend money, tons of money. They constitute what sales and marketing people call an "upscale demographic" (demos = people; graphic = something measured or charted).

    Another way of understanding the scheme: broadcast television rents audiences' eyes to advertisers, and it is the programming which brings in the eyes.

    Media conglomerates are businesses, so they not only seek ever-increasing revenues, they want more market share. They have this in common with their advertisers, so, yes, they want not only your eyes, but also your metadata and your mind. They count on audiences/consumers being predictable, sheep-like. But they aren't really in control of social trends. They capitalize on trends, quite literally.

    In other words, if a segment of society fears or hates open homosexuality, television marketers will definitely see to it that such fear gets graphed, analyzed, and, if it is found to be common among a demographic which has money to spend on something predictable, then, without doubt, that fear will be marketed to, and it will make a profit for the networks and for the advertisers. (Think about the advertising you might see during pro wrestling, or some of the more vitriolic FoxNews hate programming.)

    Mass media is a huge machine designed to keep people consuming, and not thinking. No other agenda, though that's quite a broad and generally destructive one, I have to say. It is sinister enough, but it isn't completely in charge... yet.

    If someone thinks commercial media is about something other than generating revenue, then they naturally will have a hard time acquiring immunity to media's effects. And if mass media is the most pervasive influence in someone's understanding, it is no wonder why everything, EVERYTHING, seems so increasingly pointless, so mind-numbing, so wrong. I have to quote Umberto Eco:


    As with the best products of mass entertainment, the confusion of collateral information serves only to make appetizing a central structure that is unrelentingly redundant, so that the reader [viewer, consumer] will receive always and only what he has already known (or understood).
     
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  • While casting is the job of casting directors, working under directors, writers, producers, exective producers, and often even studio bigwigs, the decision making in television production is based on timeslot, sponsorships, audience ratings. It means ad revenue. You know, commercials.

    Absolutely no other factor stands before ad sales, projected or real.

    When a network picks up a new show, it is taking on risk, mitigated (it is hoped) by marketing and promotion. Production studios (the companies who develop, produce and sell properties, a.k.a. “shows” to the networks) commence their own marketing research while in development, and marketing research figures hugely, and often meticulously into casting, that is, into ratings and ad sales.

    In the case of Star Trek, I doubt many high-ticket advertisers would buy commercial air time if Captain Kirk were a black woman, or a Vulcan, or a robotic head of lettuce. The network execs knew this of course, as did Gene Rodenberry. The racial make-up of the cast did of course reflect a rather idealized liberal vision, but the show was not exactly a blockbuster. Somewhat ahead of its time(slot).

    And, well, jeez, did you know that Bladerunner was based on a short novel by Philip K. Dick? You might want to read it. It’s quite different in emphasis and plot from the Ridley Scott thing.

    Regardless of how one might analyze, idolize or condemn those who produce television programming, the only thing the network is going to care about is the bottom line: ad revenue. (The same is true for feature films, but the revenue is not from ad sales, but rather from the box office take, as well as video sales, licensing, etc. Media content production is thus “franchise” production.)

    So, even before the mid or late 1990s, when the web caused a nose-dive in revenue streams derived from broadcast television (and feature film, and print media), the purveyors of “critical theory” rarely if ever seemed to understand this very basic, non-mystical point.

    I’m sure a defense might be made that one person’s opinion is as good as another’s, but, sorry, this article has (and cites) some telltale elements of the pomo reach-around: formalism, jargon, vagueness/lack of rigor, ignorance of subject matter.

    Addressing the vagueness/lack of rigor:

    A novel, whether mass-marketed or not, is neither a movie nor a television series.

    Evolutionary theory and geno-/phenotypological distribution in time and space are not what the Nielsen rating system measures.

    Now, I like Star Trek, but please, let’s qualify and just admit, now that we know and understand, that the first purpose of broadcast television is to sell, and it does sell: laxative, tires, insurance, beer, tampons, etc. If it didn’t sell those things, you’d never have known about it. While it is fair and often interesting to look into entertainment more deeply, missing this primary point about ad sales, and then waxing all socio-political is a bit ingenuous.

    What is really a very interesting angle to disect media is that mass “product” is produced by mass-minded people, those whose livelihood requires them to become increasingly ignorant of the world, of art, of history. We might call such intellectually uncurious people “hacks.” Writers for television and film naturally internalize the hack values of the medium (ratings, sales). They know, without even being aware that they know, what will sell and what won’t.

    By the same token — pun intended — hack-ademics know, without even thinking, that “gender-discourse” (or whatever) means tenure (ratings, sales).

    The work of actual writers (Wells, Dick) rarely if ever survive such blunt hacks.

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    "the only thing the network is going to care about is the bottom line: ad revenue."

    Then why did they begin to add so many homo characters?

    Networks do care about money, of course, but they do try to subtly and not-so-subtly use entertainment to change trends, opinions, and minds.
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  • @Anonymous
    It's mostly a giant circlejerk among "neoreactionary" internet addicts. It has no relevance to the real world.

    Yeah I like to keep a firewall between my politics and my work-related tech stuff. I do think though that the tools and techniques used by software developers will have an indirect effect on politics but it won’t be in a dramatic or sudden way. For one thing, I think people will want to apply something like Git version control to collaborative projects beyond software. Here’s a good explanation of it: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/

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  • @Cagey Beast
    What's all this about?

    It’s mostly a giant circlejerk among “neoreactionary” internet addicts. It has no relevance to the real world.

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    Yeah I like to keep a firewall between my politics and my work-related tech stuff. I do think though that the tools and techniques used by software developers will have an indirect effect on politics but it won't be in a dramatic or sudden way. For one thing, I think people will want to apply something like Git version control to collaborative projects beyond software. Here's a good explanation of it: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/
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  • @Cagey Beast
    What's all this about?

    a pretty good summary:

    https://therightvidya.wordpress.com/2015/06/05/punishment-is-vindication/

    no such thing as bad publicity. He also mentions Unz Review(very tangentially). The good part is he still isn’t groveling, backtracking, or apologizing, and its a slow news week, so maybe it’ll go all Chernobyl. more background links at

    https://nickbsteves.wordpress.com/2015/06/08/this-week-in-reaction-20150607/

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  • @Jeff Albertson
    ot and tardy; the dark prince in the arena (I don't know why this isn't getting more attention) cites Frost
    yarvin9 11 hours ago

    I shouldn't post as urbit. Quite a few other people, few of whom agree with me on anything, have worked on the project.
    The word "racist" and its conjugations does not appear in the English language until the 1920s - see Peter Frost's cultural history [0]. If you asked Shakespeare if he was a "racist," he would not know what you meant.
    "Racist" is essentially a term of abuse which no group or party has ever applied to itself. Like most such epithets, it has two meanings - a clear objective one, describing a person who fails to believe in the anthropological theories of human equality which became first popular, then universal in the mid-20th century; and a caricature of the vices, personal or political, typically engaged in by such a foul unbeliever.
    I actually like the answer given by Steve Klabnik above [1]. To call Steve a communist is a serious personal insult, and you can get banned for it [2]. However, Steve reserves the right to call himself a communist, or not, as he likes. This is actually kind of cool...
    [0] - http://www.unz.com/pfrost/age-of-reason/ [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9676630 [2] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9676861

    What’s all this about?

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    a pretty good summary:

    https://therightvidya.wordpress.com/2015/06/05/punishment-is-vindication/

    no such thing as bad publicity. He also mentions Unz Review(very tangentially). The good part is he still isn't groveling, backtracking, or apologizing, and its a slow news week, so maybe it'll go all Chernobyl. more background links at

    https://nickbsteves.wordpress.com/2015/06/08/this-week-in-reaction-20150607/
    , @Anonymous
    It's mostly a giant circlejerk among "neoreactionary" internet addicts. It has no relevance to the real world.
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  • I can’t say I am at all convinced by a racial analysis of either Alien or Blade Runner- human life versus artificial life perhaps, but the white/non-white interpretation seems wholly contrived.

    On the other hand, obscure syndicated sci-fi series of the 1990s “Time Trax” explicitly had this premise. The hero was a detective sent back to the past to recapture fugitive scientists and other rebels against the relatively utopian future. The detective was white, and he came from a world in which he was a despised minority and had to prove himself. Interestingly, some of the fugitive villains had racialist views, though not all. One amounted to a sort of National Socialist, who employed a native Hawaiian henchman in the past [episode set in Hawaii]. He betrayed the henchman eventually, and emphasized he thought the Hawaiians were a defeated people, but at one point gifted him with a war club “such as your ancestors used in their days of glory”.

    The mastermind villain was never ethnically identified, but he had a great villain name “Dr Mordecai Sahmbi”. No idea if it was meant to sound like “zombie”- this was when zombies were a boutique player even in horror culture.

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  • I don’t know about the movie, but in the book Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, at least, earth is a hellhole because of nuclear fallout, or something, and there’s hardly anything left alive (possibly including humans). Particularly emphasized is the lack of nonrobotic pets. Civilization has moved onto space colonies, and presumably white people are on Mars and such, doing what they will.

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  • ot and tardy; the dark prince in the arena (I don’t know why this isn’t getting more attention) cites Frost
    yarvin9 11 hours ago

    I shouldn’t post as urbit. Quite a few other people, few of whom agree with me on anything, have worked on the project.
    The word “racist” and its conjugations does not appear in the English language until the 1920s – see Peter Frost’s cultural history [0]. If you asked Shakespeare if he was a “racist,” he would not know what you meant.
    “Racist” is essentially a term of abuse which no group or party has ever applied to itself. Like most such epithets, it has two meanings – a clear objective one, describing a person who fails to believe in the anthropological theories of human equality which became first popular, then universal in the mid-20th century; and a caricature of the vices, personal or political, typically engaged in by such a foul unbeliever.
    I actually like the answer given by Steve Klabnik above [1]. To call Steve a communist is a serious personal insult, and you can get banned for it [2]. However, Steve reserves the right to call himself a communist, or not, as he likes. This is actually kind of cool…
    [0] – http://www.unz.com/pfrost/age-of-reason/ [1] – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9676630 [2] – https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9676861

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    What's all this about?
    , @Southfarthing
    The term racism/racialism was first used in 1871 in the context of the British colonies, and in 1902 in the context of the U.S. Indian Wars.

    Peter Frost's date of the 1920s was referring to the first widespread usage, when it came to be seen as a pressing issue.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The quoted analysis in this article is highly subjective. I watched Blade Runner a couple of months ago and was impressed by Harrison Ford’s California tan, which he had despite the always overcast future L.A. Deckard is darker than Rachel. Also, lots of cultures are interested in death, not just white ones. The quoted author needs to read some comparative religion/literature.

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  • In Night of the Living Dead, the main character was a black man who beat all of the odds and survived the night, while the whites perished. In the end though, he was shot dead. Maybe we are all doomed?

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  • Sir, give me the secret to the power of the whites. How to gain their power and defeat them?

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Peter, what do you think of the 1990 Arnold Schwarzeneggar movie Total Recall? It is also based on a Philip K. Dick story, and it is set on a Mars colony in 2048. I haven’t seen the movie in a while, but I don’t remember there being many non-whites in the movie. The only non-white I remember is a black taxi driver who turns out to be an evil mutant that betrays the hero, played by Arnold, and is subsequently killed by the hero with a large motorized screw:

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    • Replies: @Southfarthing
    Total Recall (1990) would get points here for celebrating traditional masculinity.

    But Schwarzenegger's conservative blonde wife turns out to be a spy, and his real love ends up being the exotic multicultural liberal who works in a brothel.

    The villain tries but fails to reprogram her into traditional gender roles: "You're going to be respectful, compliant, and appreciative, the way a woman should be."

    It was directed by Paul Verhoeven (Dutch). Verhoeven wrote a book describing Christ as a radical political activist.
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  • @Peter Frost
    Even in the worst case scenario, white people will still have a lot of descendents; they will simply all be racially mixed. Nobody’s going to actually die out.

    Few people would argue that the Neanderthals didn't die out because they left some degree of admixture in present-day Eurasians.

    It's difficult to predict the future. We are, potentially, actors in creating the future. For the sake of argument, however, let's assume that most of us prefer to be passive bystanders and that current trends will continue for at least the near to medium future. In that scenario (which is hardly the worst one), we will see massive population replacement throughout most of Europe.

    Does Rachael have “jet-black” hair?

    If I could amend my columns, I would change that to "dark hair." It depends on the lighting: sometimes her hair looks black with a brown tint and sometimes dark brown.

    Pat,

    Dyer argues that the replicants (except for Rachael) are deliberately made to be Nordic-looking by their creators.

    there are some old family photos in his apartment, and his family is not obviously Northern European, more like Jewish or something

    I understood that Rachael was the one who had been collecting those photos and giving them to Deckard to prove that she had a past.

    The Asians in Blade Runner are overwhelmingly Chinese

    It's impossible to say. The Japanese are culturally dominant, but the actual people in the streets seem to be a mix that includes South Asians.

    it’s implied that whites voluntarily left the city and Earth in general to colonize other planets

    We keep forgetting that whites are a small proportion of the world's population, so why would they be a majority of colonists on other worlds? The impression I get is that of a modern globalist society where the upper class might be mainly white (or a mix of white and Asian), but the old white working class has largely distintegrated. "Joe Bloe" whites end up being odds and sods who try to carve out some kind of niche, like Deckard.

    Interesting,

    Why would a replicant be given the capacity to have children?

    I don’t recall seeing South Asians in the street scenes. The street scenes have audible Japanese in the background and Japanese orthography. Also there are people wearing conical hats and riding bicycles, which is obviously suggestive of an East Asian street scene.

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  • Even in the worst case scenario, white people will still have a lot of descendents; they will simply all be racially mixed. Nobody’s going to actually die out.

    Few people would argue that the Neanderthals didn’t die out because they left some degree of admixture in present-day Eurasians.

    It’s difficult to predict the future. We are, potentially, actors in creating the future. For the sake of argument, however, let’s assume that most of us prefer to be passive bystanders and that current trends will continue for at least the near to medium future. In that scenario (which is hardly the worst one), we will see massive population replacement throughout most of Europe.

    Does Rachael have “jet-black” hair?

    If I could amend my columns, I would change that to “dark hair.” It depends on the lighting: sometimes her hair looks black with a brown tint and sometimes dark brown.

    Pat,

    Dyer argues that the replicants (except for Rachael) are deliberately made to be Nordic-looking by their creators.

    there are some old family photos in his apartment, and his family is not obviously Northern European, more like Jewish or something

    I understood that Rachael was the one who had been collecting those photos and giving them to Deckard to prove that she had a past.

    The Asians in Blade Runner are overwhelmingly Chinese

    It’s impossible to say. The Japanese are culturally dominant, but the actual people in the streets seem to be a mix that includes South Asians.

    it’s implied that whites voluntarily left the city and Earth in general to colonize other planets

    We keep forgetting that whites are a small proportion of the world’s population, so why would they be a majority of colonists on other worlds? The impression I get is that of a modern globalist society where the upper class might be mainly white (or a mix of white and Asian), but the old white working class has largely distintegrated. “Joe Bloe” whites end up being odds and sods who try to carve out some kind of niche, like Deckard.

    Interesting,

    Why would a replicant be given the capacity to have children?

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    I don't recall seeing South Asians in the street scenes. The street scenes have audible Japanese in the background and Japanese orthography. Also there are people wearing conical hats and riding bicycles, which is obviously suggestive of an East Asian street scene.
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  • @German_reader
    "Even before 1980, we see some awareness in sci-fi that whites would, one day, no longer have societies of their own. Star Trek(1966-1969) led the way in this direction"

    Seems doubtful to me...the most prominent blacks in the original Star Trek (primarily Uhura, though there's also a minor character called Dr M'Benga) are clearly understood to come from some sort of United States of Africa, not from Europe or North America (Dr Richard Daystrom, a black genius, might be an exception...but he ends up as a psycho). Sulu is supposed to be a Japanese-American...but there's nothing in the original Star Trek that would make one suspect that the future US, let alone Europe, might become majority non-white.
    There's also that episode ("The Omega glory") where Kirk and his men end up on some Earth-like planet where "Coms" (Asian-looking "communists") and "Yangs" (= Yankees, all white as I recall) battle it out...that also strongly implies the typical American being of white European descent.
    There is some 1960s antiracism in the original Star Trek (notably in "Let that be their last battleground"), but it's actually striking how white (with a sprinkling of black) that show is.
    The 2nd Star Trek show, TNG is somewhat different, it has a strong vibe of multiculturalism, United nations ideology. But most of the "diversity" actually comes from various silly kinds of extraterrestrials. Among the humans white Americans are still well-represented. So I don't think STar Trek is actually that good an example for the supposed anti-white bias you see in various Sci-Fi movies/series.

    “Kirk and his men”

    Damn, those were the days!
    Now, look at us.

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  • “Even if the two of them did escape to build a life together, it’s hard to see how this new life could evolve into anything more than two deracinated individuals with no past and no clear future. Can Rachael have children? Doubtful”

    here’s where you lost me

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  • @leftist conservative
    within 100 years or so, cheap and widespread genetic engineering will make all this moot--kids can be any race or mixture of races we can possibly imagine...

    completely new looks and races will be created in the laboratory....

    I fail to see how the human race could survive the advent of such technology. Even ignoring the possibilities for bioweapons, the ability to change one’s own nature is surely a nihilistic power. Like a puppet cutting its own strings.

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  • There are plenty of WASPs with dark hair, like Christopher Reeve, Tom Cruise, Liv Tyler, and Russell Brand, who’s 100% English. (Except for his 1/64th German ancestry: http://ethnicelebs.com/russell-brand )

    Deckard is played by Harrison Ford, who’s half-Jewish.

    Rachel does bear a resemblance to Jennifer Connelly (half-Jewish), but, like Harrison Ford, Connelly seems to most people to be a normal member of NW-euro American culture.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @P
    Dyer's interpretation of Blade Runner (or the parts of it Frost quoted anyway) makes no sense. The "whitest" characters in the movie are the replicants (except for Rachael) -- Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) and Pris (Daryl Hannah) are especially "Aryan." There's no reason to see Deckard (Harrison Ford) as any kind of representation of whiteness or WASPiness. He's not even that fair in appearance. IIRC, there are some old family photos in his apartment, and his family is not obviously Northern European, more like Jewish or something. Gaff, played by the mestizo actor Edward James Olmos, is certainly not meant to be a "dark white" in the sense that Rachael (Sean Young) is.

    The Asians in Blade Runner are overwhelmingly Chinese, so the claim that the movie depicts a future dominated by the Japanese is not correct. Blade Runner's Los Angeles looks kind of like a dump, and it's implied that whites voluntarily left the city and Earth in general to colonize other planets. For example, Pris asks J. F. Sebastian, the white scientist working for the Tyrell Corporation, why he hasn't left Earth, and he responds that he wasn't allowed to leave because of his medical condition. He lives in a huge abandoned building and says that there's no shortage of housing, implying that Los Angeles is depopulated and no one lives there unless they have to. This is similar to Elysium where whites live in affluence in space while non-whites toil in poverty on Earth.

    Any kind of racial interpretation of Blade Runner would have to deal with the fact that the replicants are depicted as especially white. However, almost all the other meaningful characters are white, too, even though the city is mostly Asian -- but this is simply for box office reasons (an all-Asian cast would still today be unthinkable in Hollywood). The only casting choice that is perhaps straightforwardly racial is that the main villain is played by a blond guy. This has been a Hollywood cliche for a long time, reflecting the fact that Nazis have become the ultimate symbol of evil in Western culture as well as the post-war Jewish cultural ascendancy in America.

    The writing on the stores in the street scenes are Japanese, and you can hear Japanese being spoken in the background in the street scenes. Also the noodle bar vendor speaks Japanese. The corporations depicted in the movie aside from Tyrell Corp seem to be Japanese. I don’t know if Japan was chosen deliberately or just because in the early 80s, Japan was foremost in the public consciousness as an Asian country. China at the time was still relatively closed off.

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  • @Priss Factor
    Mexico was once 5% black. So, where are they?

    According to Khan's logic, blacks must still be around.

    here are some of them (and to Razib’s point)

    https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrTcXRc0nRViOAA5m8unIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTBsZ29xY3ZzBHNlYwNzZWFyY2gEc2xrA2J1dHRvbg–;_ylc=X1MDMTM1MTE5NTY5NARfcgMyBGJjawNlYXVnZGxsYTU5cnZ2JTI2YiUzRDQlMjZkJTNEX0x3Zlo2QnBZRUxoQ3JKWXlVMzNhalBORUdQYXBaZGQxNXJKUGctLSUyNnMlM0Q5cCUyNmklM0RfdkVmc1U1WS5vT05XOF9hMTY0VARmcgN5aHMtbW96aWxsYS0wMDMEZ3ByaWQDNzJTdTRZcFdUdmFCdUYyUlFQM2wzQQRtdGVzdGlkA251bGwEbl9zdWdnAzEwBG9yaWdpbgNpbWFnZXMuc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMgRwcXN0cgNhZnJvIG1lBHBxc3RybAM3BHFzdHJsAzIzBHF1ZXJ5A2Fmcm8gbWVzdGl6b3MgaW4gbWV4aWNvBHRfc3RtcAMxNDMzNzE5Mzk5BHZ0ZXN0aWQDbnVsbA–?gprid=72Su4YpWTvaBuF2RQP3l3A&pvid=BcXPNTIwNi7leg2tVFTv_wc9NzIuMwAAAADO2z0R&p=afro+mestizos+in+mexico&fr=yhs-mozilla-003&fr2=sa-gp-images.search.yahoo.com&ei=UTF-8&n=60&x=wrt&hsimp=yhs-003&hspart=mozilla

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  • @jb
    While I'm not at all thrilled at the prospect of white people being numerically overwhelmed by "people of color," and while I'm particularly concerned about the population explosion in black Africa (whose people have never anywhere shown the ability to support a modern civilization on their own), to talk about the "death" of whites seems extremely overblown, and plays into the hands of the anti-racists. Even in the worst case scenario, white people will still have a lot of descendents; they will simply all be racially mixed. Nobody's going to actually die out.

    And frankly, in the long run this is guaranteed anyway. Does anybody think there will still be distinct races 50,000 years from now (if we are still around that is)? Sooner or later everybody is going to mix. What I'm mainly worried about is dysgenics; about the human population just going downhill until everything falls apart. Now I could be wrong of course. It could be that nothing like this is even remotely in the cards. But until we are allowed to talk about it, how is anyone going to know?

    `”Sooner or later everybody is going to mix“.

    What is the basis for this assumption? In biological terms, the general pattern of speciation is toward higher diversity and greater complexity. The fact that many distinct human groups have developed over the millenia demonstrates this point well.

    A modern tendency to breed across racial barriers in some areas is not an indicator that discrete group differences will be subsumed by miscegenation on a grand scale. I think the opposite is more likely and I would expect a greater number of geographically distinct ethnic groups or lineages in humans over time.

    Whatever the driving cause, we share the earth with hundreds of bird species, many thousands of plant species and millions of insect species. Why not only a few dozen species in any of these cases? Sometimes close relatives will cross “back” and can form hybrid species (introgression) but the basic evolutionary trend appears to be one of constant adaptation and increasing diversity.

    Complexity is good news for us because simpler systems can be more easily controlled by those with the means and inclination. The spider web analogy with many nodes or points of support comes to mind. Globalism depends on a long-term ability to destroy sustainable and diverse populations of humans.

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  • P says:

    Dyer’s interpretation of Blade Runner (or the parts of it Frost quoted anyway) makes no sense. The “whitest” characters in the movie are the replicants (except for Rachael) — Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer) and Pris (Daryl Hannah) are especially “Aryan.” There’s no reason to see Deckard (Harrison Ford) as any kind of representation of whiteness or WASPiness. He’s not even that fair in appearance. IIRC, there are some old family photos in his apartment, and his family is not obviously Northern European, more like Jewish or something. Gaff, played by the mestizo actor Edward James Olmos, is certainly not meant to be a “dark white” in the sense that Rachael (Sean Young) is.

    The Asians in Blade Runner are overwhelmingly Chinese, so the claim that the movie depicts a future dominated by the Japanese is not correct. Blade Runner’s Los Angeles looks kind of like a dump, and it’s implied that whites voluntarily left the city and Earth in general to colonize other planets. For example, Pris asks J. F. Sebastian, the white scientist working for the Tyrell Corporation, why he hasn’t left Earth, and he responds that he wasn’t allowed to leave because of his medical condition. He lives in a huge abandoned building and says that there’s no shortage of housing, implying that Los Angeles is depopulated and no one lives there unless they have to. This is similar to Elysium where whites live in affluence in space while non-whites toil in poverty on Earth.

    Any kind of racial interpretation of Blade Runner would have to deal with the fact that the replicants are depicted as especially white. However, almost all the other meaningful characters are white, too, even though the city is mostly Asian — but this is simply for box office reasons (an all-Asian cast would still today be unthinkable in Hollywood). The only casting choice that is perhaps straightforwardly racial is that the main villain is played by a blond guy. This has been a Hollywood cliche for a long time, reflecting the fact that Nazis have become the ultimate symbol of evil in Western culture as well as the post-war Jewish cultural ascendancy in America.

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    The writing on the stores in the street scenes are Japanese, and you can hear Japanese being spoken in the background in the street scenes. Also the noodle bar vendor speaks Japanese. The corporations depicted in the movie aside from Tyrell Corp seem to be Japanese. I don't know if Japan was chosen deliberately or just because in the early 80s, Japan was foremost in the public consciousness as an Asian country. China at the time was still relatively closed off.
    , @Jefferson
    ” There’s no reason to see Deckard (Harrison Ford) as any kind of representation of whiteness”

    You do not think the Jewish Harrison Ford looks White? Than you would most likely classify Italians like Nicholas Turturro, John Turturro, Tony Danza, Jim Croce, Dean Martin, etc as not looking White either as they are even darker and less fair skin than the Jewish Harrison Ford.
    , @SFG
    Yeah, I don't buy the whole racial angle either. Arguably Rachel (and Deckard, according to some interpretations) wasn't even human.
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  • @pork pie hat
    > Sooner or later everybody is going to mix.

    No, Razib Khan points out that there are still races in Brazil, nor will that ever happen, I'll let you read his reasoning:

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/people-in-the-future-will-not-look-like-brazilians/

    Indeed, 11% of brazilians are ”pure” whites while 86% have african blood. Based on my own estimatives, 30% of brazilians still look off caucasoid ( probably half them look off caucasoid and off white in the 50′s).

    Majority of new generation japanese descendents will be mixed.

    The problem is not the miscigenation. Is the recessive nature of white physiological phenotypes and behavioural virtuosity. The strongest win, not the wise, the creative, even the very smart. The strongest win in capitalistic model.

    The most inportant problem here.

    1- very higher fertility of non-whites, specially blacks.

    Even in a multi-mixed-race country like Brazil, for those with accute eyes, is easy to observe the behavioural differences among races.
    I don’t say ”blacks are the worst group” but ”blacks HAVE the worst subgroup”. A lot of sociopathic ones, specially sociopathic ape-looking young black men. And many mullatos are equally indolent.

    Bibi said very well that ”blacks” are the little satan” when he is talking with Bobama in Isisrael.

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  • @Kamran
    Sir,

    I desire to attain whiteness. I am from Turkey and I greatly desire the power of whites. I will kill your enemies for you, if you show me the path to this power.

    LOL, you rock!
    With a sense of humour like that you may never achieve Whiteness but at least you can reach Frenchness or Irishness. I’m starting to think Whiteness is more of a curse than a blessing anyway. It feels like we’re letting our enemies define us when we accept the burden of Whiteness. Stay Turkish man. Keep them guessing. If Replicants can pass for White then so can we.

    Actually the Replicants in Blade Runner are just the sort of White people the globalists would love to have: they’re hyper-competent, beautiful, intelligent and energetic. They kill for the powers that be, can be used as prostitutes, have no political power and die off before they become too dangerous. In other words, the ideal White people from George Soros’ point of view.

    To me, the film was about creatures they accidentally made fully human. They acquired souls like a glitch in the manufacturing process, like a ghost in the machine:

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  • Sir,

    I desire to attain whiteness. I am from Turkey and I greatly desire the power of whites. I will kill your enemies for you, if you show me the path to this power.

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    LOL, you rock!
    With a sense of humour like that you may never achieve Whiteness but at least you can reach Frenchness or Irishness. I'm starting to think Whiteness is more of a curse than a blessing anyway. It feels like we're letting our enemies define us when we accept the burden of Whiteness. Stay Turkish man. Keep them guessing. If Replicants can pass for White then so can we.

    Actually the Replicants in Blade Runner are just the sort of White people the globalists would love to have: they're hyper-competent, beautiful, intelligent and energetic. They kill for the powers that be, can be used as prostitutes, have no political power and die off before they become too dangerous. In other words, the ideal White people from George Soros' point of view.

    To me, the film was about creatures they accidentally made fully human. They acquired souls like a glitch in the manufacturing process, like a ghost in the machine:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU7Ga7qTLDU
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  • @Stealth,

    “I guess we can take comfort in knowing that both are still around.”

    “That’s what they said about the dinosaurs.”

    ———–

    Hahaha…

    It’s because of people like you two, that life is still worth living in this drab planet.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:

    Watch African migrants destroy southern Italy

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    "Watch African migrants destroy southern Italy

    https://youtu.be/fX73ggsMNEI"

    Southern Italy has a heavy Mafia presence. Where is Cosa Nostra when you need them to deal with these thuggish Mulignans.
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  • @Priss Factor
    "Blade Runner also got the idea of a future dominated by Japan wrong."

    I'm not sure BR was saying Japan is the future.

    After all, Tyrell corp is American.

    We see Japanese advertising, but it seems like Asia is part of the Third World.
    Asians in BR don't seem prosperous.

    It looks like a globalist world where the multi-national corps have it all while everyone of all color have little.
    In this, BR may be more about class than race.

    I tend to agree, BR looked like a globalist’s paradise where the top 0.01% had it all and the rest of the people regardless of ethnicity lived like drones in what amounted to a hell hole.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t really recall the world of the Alien movies being particularly non-white. There were some non-white characters, like the black crew member mentioned in the post, and a badass Latina marine type character in the James Cameron directed second Alien mvoie who I think dies fairly early on in the movie, but if I remember correctly they were tokens.

    I don’t think the future worlds of recent sci fi films like Avatar, the highest grossing film of all time, were particularly non-white either. I think there was a badass Latina marine type character in it as well, and an Indian medical doctor, but they were tokens in minor roles. The black actress in the movie portrayed one of the blue aliens, and you couldn’t tell she was in the movie because the blue aliens were depicted via CGI graphics.

    And I think the claim that Sean Young’s Rachael character in Blade Runner is supposed to represent or be emblematic of non-whiteness in Blade Runner is suspect and very far-fetched.

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  • jb says:
    @Priss Factor
    Mexico was once 5% black. So, where are they?

    According to Khan's logic, blacks must still be around.

    Mexico was once 5% black. So, where are they?

    According to Khan’s logic, blacks must still be around.

    As I noted, proportions matter. Five percent isn’t much. And frankly, you can see it in some Mexicans. In any case, those blacks didn’t die out; their descendents just don’t look like them.

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  • Nooooo! No more po-dunk trailer trash? I think not – they’ll be the last to go..

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...
    No one ever comments on how significantly "Blade Runner" differs from the Dick novella, "Do Androis Dream of Electric Sheep?" upon which it is very loosely based. In the novella, Deckard is most definitely a human and married to a human woman. The background to the story is that life was nearly extinguished from the planet. As a result all life has become unimaginably valued by human beings. Replicants are not natural life but monstrous creations of technology created by humans to preserve natural living things from dangerous but necessary occupations, e.g., deep space mining. Deckard is human - absolutely not replicant. He is married to a human wife. He is briefly attracted to the replicant Rachel but ultimately repelled by her when he sees her callously plucking the legs off a spider. This could be critically spun as an allegory of the contemporary racial wars where humaness equates to whiteness, life to almost all other human races, and replicants to persons of predominantly sub-Saharan African ancestry.

    The novel made no sense to me. Interesting read though.

    Dick’s mode is absurdist.

    Scott’s film is romanticist.

    PS. the tycoon in Dick’s novel is Jewish. Rosen-something.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:
    @jb
    > Sooner or later everybody is going to mix.

    No, Razib Khan points out that there are still races in Brazil, nor will that ever happen, I’ll let you read his reasoning:

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/people-in-the-future-will-not-look-like-brazilians/


    Unless civilization collapses -- in which case we will all start differentiating again -- sooner or later everyone will mix. What Razib is pointing out is that mixing does not imply uniform beige sameness, that there will still be phenotypical variation, and of course he's right.

    But the proportions of the mix matter a lot. A mix that is predominantly Sub-Saharan African will look -- and I believe behave! -- quite differently from a mix that is predominantly Eurasian. And of course the behavior of the eventual mixed population will have a huge influence on what life is like in the future, and could be the deciding factor that determines whether civilization even has a long term future, or whether it exhausts itself and collapses into permanent barbarism. That's what I worry about, because I believe that, long term, things could easily go either way.

    Mexico was once 5% black. So, where are they?

    According to Khan’s logic, blacks must still be around.

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    Mexico was once 5% black. So, where are they?

    According to Khan’s logic, blacks must still be around.


    As I noted, proportions matter. Five percent isn't much. And frankly, you can see it in some Mexicans. In any case, those blacks didn't die out; their descendents just don't look like them.
    , @granesperanzablanco
    here are some of them (and to Razib's point)

    https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrTcXRc0nRViOAA5m8unIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTBsZ29xY3ZzBHNlYwNzZWFyY2gEc2xrA2J1dHRvbg--;_ylc=X1MDMTM1MTE5NTY5NARfcgMyBGJjawNlYXVnZGxsYTU5cnZ2JTI2YiUzRDQlMjZkJTNEX0x3Zlo2QnBZRUxoQ3JKWXlVMzNhalBORUdQYXBaZGQxNXJKUGctLSUyNnMlM0Q5cCUyNmklM0RfdkVmc1U1WS5vT05XOF9hMTY0VARmcgN5aHMtbW96aWxsYS0wMDMEZ3ByaWQDNzJTdTRZcFdUdmFCdUYyUlFQM2wzQQRtdGVzdGlkA251bGwEbl9zdWdnAzEwBG9yaWdpbgNpbWFnZXMuc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMgRwcXN0cgNhZnJvIG1lBHBxc3RybAM3BHFzdHJsAzIzBHF1ZXJ5A2Fmcm8gbWVzdGl6b3MgaW4gbWV4aWNvBHRfc3RtcAMxNDMzNzE5Mzk5BHZ0ZXN0aWQDbnVsbA--?gprid=72Su4YpWTvaBuF2RQP3l3A&pvid=BcXPNTIwNi7leg2tVFTv_wc9NzIuMwAAAADO2z0R&p=afro+mestizos+in+mexico&fr=yhs-mozilla-003&fr2=sa-gp-images.search.yahoo.com&ei=UTF-8&n=60&x=wrt&hsimp=yhs-003&hspart=mozilla
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  • @Anonymous
    Understand one thing if nothing at all. The most fearsome and formidable creature to ever walk the earth is the white man.....................Or to paraphrase Twain, reports of my imminent demise are greatly exaggerated.

    That’s what they said about the dinosaurs.

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  • “Anonymous says:

    Dyer is a gay postmodernist academic who specializes in “Queer Theory”,………”

    Could there be anything more representative of “deathliness”, as he calls it, than Dyer himself – a degenerate academic who is at war with everything normal.

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  • @5371
    That's what they were saying a hundred years ago.

    it’ll happen–sooner or later…and, no, they weren’t saying it 100 years ago. They were saying it 30 years ago. Just because something takes longer than the speculators speculated does not mean it will not happen.

    As for the movie, absolutely brilliant movie. And yes it was only loosely based on Dick’s novel. I don’t know what is the real core basis of the movie. But a lot of what comes out at the end of the moviemaking process is not only the screenplay but also modifications and adlibs by the actors.

    There were entire brilliant scenes that were never even in Dick’s novel/story.

    And the music was a big part of the movie.

    The costumes and set designs were a big part of the movie. So it was almost a collaboration.

    anyway, Dick is now way popular as a basis for movies, and he is really more well known now than he ever was when he was alive. Why is this? I suspect that his twisted and paranoid outlook on the establishment is part of it. Dick was mentally ill, and that illness made his outlook something that attracts people these days.

    Most successful people are not against the establishment. They like the establishment and they like the consensus. You don’t generally get to be successfully by being against the establishment like Dick. And despite his many published novels, Dick was never really that financially successful.

    Dick was basically a crazy person who for some reason kept writing. Almost all other people who created a large body of written work are people who are on the side of the Establishment. Dick is almost unique in that regard. So maybe that is why his work is so attractive. We live in a sick society. In many ways this society is like a livestock operation, controlled by corporations and a strong police state and military. This livestock operation is controlled by the corporations; they milk us for our consumption and our labor. They cram as many cattle into this society as they can. We have little control. But we have the benefits of high tech. Games. Video. Plentiful food.

    Now, if that description is not Dickian, I don’t know what is.

    Who else describes this world? Not the successful, establishment-loving authors. Not the happy, secure authors of this world. It is only the unhappy and angry who can write this truth.

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  • jb says:
    @pork pie hat
    > Sooner or later everybody is going to mix.

    No, Razib Khan points out that there are still races in Brazil, nor will that ever happen, I'll let you read his reasoning:

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/people-in-the-future-will-not-look-like-brazilians/

    > Sooner or later everybody is going to mix.

    No, Razib Khan points out that there are still races in Brazil, nor will that ever happen, I’ll let you read his reasoning:

    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/people-in-the-future-will-not-look-like-brazilians/

    Unless civilization collapses — in which case we will all start differentiating again — sooner or later everyone will mix. What Razib is pointing out is that mixing does not imply uniform beige sameness, that there will still be phenotypical variation, and of course he’s right.

    But the proportions of the mix matter a lot. A mix that is predominantly Sub-Saharan African will look — and I believe behave! — quite differently from a mix that is predominantly Eurasian. And of course the behavior of the eventual mixed population will have a huge influence on what life is like in the future, and could be the deciding factor that determines whether civilization even has a long term future, or whether it exhausts itself and collapses into permanent barbarism. That’s what I worry about, because I believe that, long term, things could easily go either way.

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    Mexico was once 5% black. So, where are they?

    According to Khan's logic, blacks must still be around.
    , @Enrique Cardova
    A mix that is predominantly Sub-Saharan African will look — and I believe behave! — quite differently from a mix that is predominantly Eurasian.

    Presumably the "Eurasian" mix will cease the systematic mass murder of tens of millions? After all it was "Eurasians" that brought us the Holocaust under Hitler (body count about 17 million if assorted "inferior" Slavs, Russian POWs, Gypsies and other subhumans are included), the Holodomor under "Comrade" Stalin (body count -oh 12 million or so), and "the thought of Chairman Mao" in Asiatic quarters (body count over 30 million). Give or take a few oddities like Pol Pot in Cambodia (body count 1.5 to 2 million), presumably Eurasian "role models" will provide much touted "leadership" in the new "mixed" era.


    .
    And of course the behavior of the eventual mixed population will have a huge influence on what life is like in the future, and could be the deciding factor that determines whether civilization even has a long term future, or whether it exhausts itself and collapses into permanent barbarism.

    Actually you already have a test case of a "mixed" population behavior that has spawned plenty of "barbarism." Depending on the geneticist consulted, like conservative geneticist Cavalli-Sforza, Europeans are a hybrid or "mixed" population, one third African, two-thirds Asian.
    http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/7963/eurohybrids.jpg

    ^^There you have it- the perfect test case of "behavior."
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  • @leftist conservative
    within 100 years or so, cheap and widespread genetic engineering will make all this moot--kids can be any race or mixture of races we can possibly imagine...

    completely new looks and races will be created in the laboratory....

    That’s what they were saying a hundred years ago.

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    it'll happen--sooner or later...and, no, they weren't saying it 100 years ago. They were saying it 30 years ago. Just because something takes longer than the speculators speculated does not mean it will not happen.

    As for the movie, absolutely brilliant movie. And yes it was only loosely based on Dick's novel. I don't know what is the real core basis of the movie. But a lot of what comes out at the end of the moviemaking process is not only the screenplay but also modifications and adlibs by the actors.

    There were entire brilliant scenes that were never even in Dick's novel/story.

    And the music was a big part of the movie.

    The costumes and set designs were a big part of the movie. So it was almost a collaboration.

    anyway, Dick is now way popular as a basis for movies, and he is really more well known now than he ever was when he was alive. Why is this? I suspect that his twisted and paranoid outlook on the establishment is part of it. Dick was mentally ill, and that illness made his outlook something that attracts people these days.

    Most successful people are not against the establishment. They like the establishment and they like the consensus. You don't generally get to be successfully by being against the establishment like Dick. And despite his many published novels, Dick was never really that financially successful.

    Dick was basically a crazy person who for some reason kept writing. Almost all other people who created a large body of written work are people who are on the side of the Establishment. Dick is almost unique in that regard. So maybe that is why his work is so attractive. We live in a sick society. In many ways this society is like a livestock operation, controlled by corporations and a strong police state and military. This livestock operation is controlled by the corporations; they milk us for our consumption and our labor. They cram as many cattle into this society as they can. We have little control. But we have the benefits of high tech. Games. Video. Plentiful food.

    Now, if that description is not Dickian, I don't know what is.


    Who else describes this world? Not the successful, establishment-loving authors. Not the happy, secure authors of this world. It is only the unhappy and angry who can write this truth.

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  • No one ever comments on how significantly “Blade Runner” differs from the Dick novella, “Do Androis Dream of Electric Sheep?” upon which it is very loosely based. In the novella, Deckard is most definitely a human and married to a human woman. The background to the story is that life was nearly extinguished from the planet. As a result all life has become unimaginably valued by human beings. Replicants are not natural life but monstrous creations of technology created by humans to preserve natural living things from dangerous but necessary occupations, e.g., deep space mining. Deckard is human – absolutely not replicant. He is married to a human wife. He is briefly attracted to the replicant Rachel but ultimately repelled by her when he sees her callously plucking the legs off a spider. This could be critically spun as an allegory of the contemporary racial wars where humaness equates to whiteness, life to almost all other human races, and replicants to persons of predominantly sub-Saharan African ancestry.

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    The novel made no sense to me. Interesting read though.

    Dick's mode is absurdist.

    Scott's film is romanticist.

    PS. the tycoon in Dick's novel is Jewish. Rosen-something.
    , @Enrique Cardova
    Jus' Sayin'... says:

    No one ever comments on how significantly “Blade Runner” differs from the Dick novella, “Do Androis Dream of Electric Sheep?” upon which it is very loosely based. In the novella, Deckard is most definitely a human and married to a human woman. The background to the story is that life was nearly extinguished from the planet. As a result all life has become unimaginably valued by human beings. Replicants are not natural life but monstrous creations of technology created by humans to preserve natural living things from dangerous but necessary occupations, e.g., deep space mining. Deckard is human – absolutely not replicant. He is married to a human wife. He is briefly attracted to the replicant Rachel but ultimately repelled by her when he sees her callously plucking the legs off a spider. This could be critically spun as an allegory of the contemporary racial wars where humaness equates to whiteness, life to almost all other human races, and replicants to persons of predominantly sub-Saharan African ancestry.
     
    Interesting- you have reversed the equation. On one level, replicants can be seen as role models of whiteness on earth- after all they are nice looking, strong, indestructible etc as someone says above. But they fail on earth, a metaphor for the failure of the white perfectionism project. Your take is to see the replicant as the oppressed non-white Other. I think that is a good angle that no one else on this thread has seen.

    In the novella, where is most of earth's population- on another planet? And if so, have they created the replicants in their own image- white people? Is it then a case where "real" humanity (read supposed paragons of humanity, white people), have departed for another planet, while non-white "Others" remain on a "tainted" planet earth? The presence of what looks like mostly Asians in Blade Runner might suggest this. Hence the old lament- White people gone, the "culluds" taking over.

    The replicants were created to do the grunt work on other planets, but some have chosen to go to a "tainted" earth filled with the culluds. Why? Is it because the replicants want to be disassociated from their supposed "betters" on the white master planet, and hang out with humanity back on the old third planet from the sun? Why would they want to hang out with mere non-white earthlings? On the white master planet with the mo betta people, they are servitors, and serfs. But on earth they are liberated. Since they have disturbed the established order, they must be stopped, so a Deckard is sent out to wipe the slate clean.

    Peter notes that a metaphor for white demographic decline can be seen in the movie. This is certainly a possibility. The whites have departed for another planet, leaving the "Other" to keep multiplying as they always do on earth. And the replicants cannot reproduce- another metaphor for white demographic failure. Another piece of this is that the out-of-place replicants represent the failure of global white technology or - so the recalcitrant foot-soldiers have to be eliminated. Some may say the replicants stand in for anti-racist whites who refuse to buy into the dominant white narrative. They must be marginalized and eliminated. or silenced. Or if they have no racial consciousness, they may stand in for alienated or poorer whites who refuse to buy into the established military-industrial complex circa 2019. So they too have to be liquidated or silenced.

    Whatever the angle used, it is clear in both book and movie, that the replicants just "don't fit"- they are outsiders, outlaws, not "our kind of people."
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  • She also seems the least WASP-looking with her jet-black hair

    Does Rachael have “jet-black” hair?

    Looks more medium to dark brown to me.

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