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    Over the last few decades, I doubt that any American political organization has received greater negative attention in our national news and entertainment media than the Ku Klux Klan, or KKK. For example, although white activist David Duke left that group over 35 years ago, the media still often identifies him as one of its...
  • @Ron Unz

    but it appears Emmet may have actually been protecting his mother from some sort of threat from the step father.
     
    That's absolutely correct. I wasn't there to witness the scene, and indeed it occurred many years before I was even born.

    However, it seems virtually certain that the only surviving account of the incident came from Till's own mother, likely given after his "martydom." So I hardly think she spun it in a negative direction. To my mind, 11-year-olds who threaten to kill their stepfathers with butcher-knives seem to have "violent" tendencies, but obviously opinions may differ.

    Anyway, a casual reference to Emmett Till aside, the central theme of my article was the utter dishonesty of the media, as demonstrated by their having totally "disappeared" the greatest wave of organized racial killings in America during the last one hundred years. Since I knew very little about the Till case, I casually Googled it while writing the article, and accounts of Till's violent behavior came out right at the top. Now Google has almost totally "disappeared" those as well, which simply reinforces my central media theme, adding a 1984-ish spin.

    But regarding the Till case, let's consider a thought-experiment involving the recent Charlottesville incident. Prior to the existence of the Internet, our MSM held a near-total monopoly on the distribution of information, and their uniform current reporting has been along the lines of a headline "Vicious Neo-Nazi Terrorists Attack Peaceful Anti-Racist Protesters in Charlottesville, Kill One." So fifty or sixty years ago, that would have been the only story we heard, afterwards congealing in the ideologically-allied mainstream history books. And except for contrary rumors or suspicions among fringe elements, that would have been that.

    To the extent that readers here are quite skeptical of the current MSM account of Charlottesville, perhaps they should be similarly suspicious of the official account of the Till case from before the Internet came along...
     
     
     

    Emmett Till’s mother lived in Chicago. Young Emmet Till was sent to live with relatives in the South as his mother could not handle him…

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  • @STARVIEGO
    Not according to some sources:

    The Sharon Tate Murders by Peter Maas
    From The Ladies’ Home Journal, April 1970 Edition
    "One of the first police theories was that black-power militants, out to terrorize the white community, were responsible for the killings."

    For a few days at most. The favorite theory for a long time was “a drug burn.”

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  • @David In TN
    Manson hoped the Tate-Labianca murders would be blamed (by scrawling the word "PIG" at the scene) on black perpetrators, the Black Panthers in particular. As it turned out, the authorities never at any time suspected the killers were black.

    Not according to some sources:

    The Sharon Tate Murders by Peter Maas
    From The Ladies’ Home Journal, April 1970 Edition
    “One of the first police theories was that black-power militants, out to terrorize the white community, were responsible for the killings.”

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    For a few days at most. The favorite theory for a long time was "a drug burn."
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  • @Alden
    Manson murders were 68 or 69. Zebra killings were in 73 and 74.

    The nine Manson killings happened in an eight week span in the summer of ’69. The Zebra killings-defined broadly as a spree by Black Muslims killing whites in a random fashion with no known motive-probably started up around 1970, and lasted until early 1975.

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  • @Alden
    The black men worked for the husband and helped dispose of the body.


    "And, finally, what about me challenging your assertion that you have read hundreds of thousands of history books? Are you going to address it or simply ignore it?"

    Challenge away SFB, who are you to challenge me? Too bad they closed the mental hospitals down.

    “The black men worked for the husband and helped dispose of the body.”

    What sources do you have as evidence? Because it was only the two white men who disposed of the body, as they stated later on when they got paid for their story in Look Magazine. So you are going to have to use your books.

    Regardless, are you going to admit that the Bryant lady made up her story, or keep pretending she was truthful?

    “Challenge away SFB, who are you to challenge me?”

    Exactly what I thought. You got caught, and now you are doubling down like a SJW.

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  • @starviego
    The philosophy of the Black Muslims may even have been the inspiration of Charles Manson, infamous mass murderer. The details:

    http://www.mansonblog.com/search/label/Zebra%20murders

    Manson hoped the Tate-Labianca murders would be blamed (by scrawling the word “PIG” at the scene) on black perpetrators, the Black Panthers in particular. As it turned out, the authorities never at any time suspected the killers were black.

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    Not according to some sources:

    The Sharon Tate Murders by Peter Maas
    From The Ladies’ Home Journal, April 1970 Edition
    "One of the first police theories was that black-power militants, out to terrorize the white community, were responsible for the killings."
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  • @Alden
    Who are you to demand proof of what comments are made? Do you think you are God or King of the world or something?

    Why not just "research" the meaning of the word fact instead of using the word to start an argument.

    Who are you to demand proof of what comments are made?

    Well, I am not participating anonymously. You are. So it does take a serious level of chutzpah for you to be getting into this “Who are you” sort of rhetoric.

    Now, anybody with a grain of sense (which is not many people around here, I guess…) should know that unverifiable stories written anonymously have just about zero credibility.

    If you want to affect such indignation when I point out that such stories do not constitute “facts”, I guess that’s your shtick. But one would hope most people can see through it.

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  • And like Corvinus and Revulsky, she believes what she reads in teh newspapers.

    Actually, I have written, at this point 5 essays that have appeared on the Unz Review. I have no idea whether you have read them. Somebody who has read hundreds of thousands of books ought to have been able to.

    Regardless, the central point of my writing here has been NOT to believe what you read in the newspapers.

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  • @Alden
    You have no idea how easy it is for a normally strong man with a gun, knife, or just hands to kill someone. It is even easier for a normally strong man to kill a smaller man or woman.

    Look at Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz, the Green River killer in Washington state, Larry Singleton and David Carpenter. They were not cult members. They were loners. They were not organized serial killers in the movies. They had nothing but a car, sometimes a gun, sometimes a knife, a brick, a cord to strangle.

    They just got in the car, drove around, looked for and found the victims. Singleton and the Green River killer killed mostly street prostitutes who are easy victims.

    Most of their victims were women, smaller than the killers and thus easy to kill. Have you ever owned a gun? Ever took lessons in shooting? Ever hunted? Probably not, but if you ever did you might know how easy it is to kill.

    The black muslims who do the killings of Whites do it on their own. It's not all that organized. They get to be friends with muslims in the killer group. They are approached and decide to join the group. But it's really not organized with leaders and targets like the Manson killers were.

    They just go around in groups of 2 or 3 and when they see a possible victim and no witnesses they attack. It's no big criminal conspiracy.

    There was one in California who drove around the freeways in suburban and rural areas. Every once in a while he'd get off the freeway and kill someone in the house nearest the freeway. He was White couldn't possibly be a black muslim. Larry Singleton was an old man and his victims were young women; again the difference between male and female strength.

    But you don't know anything about guns, other weapons such as a handy brick and the how strong the average normal young adult man is.

    People should really post about what they know. And you keep posting about things of which you are totally ignorant.

    You have no idea how easy it is for a normally strong man with a gun, knife, or just hands to kill someone.

    This is just a pathetic straw-man argument. I never claimed that nobody was killed!

    What I question is whether the various killings that took place were part of an overall program of the Nation of Islam to murder random white people and give people brownie points for doing so. My reasons for not believing this story are not based on it being particularly difficult to kill somebody. that is a ridiculous straw man!

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  • @Alden
    "According to the later court testimony, black participants each needed to kill a total of nine white men to be awarded the coveted title of “Death Angel,” earning them the right to have their photos displayed in the Black Muslim meeting halls, while roughly double points were awarded for slaughtering white women or children, on the grounds that such killings were more psychologically difficult."


    It's in the trial transcripts and the witnesses who testified to the Death Angels were black muslims who were asked to join the Death Angels.

    Order the trail transcripts and read them before you deny the Death Angel testimony.

    “According to the later court testimony, black participants each needed to kill a total of nine white men to be awarded the coveted title of “Death Angel,” earning them the right to have their photos displayed in the Black Muslim meeting halls, while roughly double points were awarded for slaughtering white women or children, on the grounds that such killings were more psychologically difficult.”

    Well, I know that’s the story. I have very great doubts that this story is true, but the basic problem here is that you have this idea that, if I question the story, your “proof” of the story can be simply to repeat the story. Verbatim. Copy-and-paste.

    This is like what religious people do when you question whether a story in the Bible really happened. They simply repeat the story! Or they say: Well, it’s in the Bible!

    Common sense says that, regardless of whether the story is true or not, if I didn’t believe it the first time I heard it, simply repeating the story verbatim yet again will not cause me to suddenly believe it.

    As far as I can tell, the reason the story simply cannot be true is that all these sorts of groups were infiltrated. The name for this broad program was CointelPro. Not just black organizations, but surely whatever white groups, like the KKK, as well.

    So I that the Nation of Islam was basically transparent to the FBI. Nothing like this could be going on inside that organization without them knowing about it. And, regardless, even if, by some incredible chance, the organization was not completely infiltrated, the leadership would have to assume that this was the case.

    It’s in the trial transcripts and the witnesses who testified to the Death Angels were black muslims who were asked to join the Death Angels.

    Well, okay, somebody testified and said they were asked to join the “Death Angels”. Look, there are always people who will say anything for a few bucks. The problem is the impossibility of the narrative. The NOI could not be doing this for a period of at least 6 months without the authorities knowing about it. The basic story is impossible. So I guess it didn’t happen. Which means something else happened. I’m not sure what that something else is though.

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  • @Alden
    When you go to heaven you can find my uncle Harry and ask him about it.

    When you go to heaven you can find my uncle Harry and ask him about it.

    Out of idle curiosity, what was your Uncle Harry’s last name?

    Also, what was the time and place of his death?

    Or is all this classified information?

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    I usually love Unz’s articles, but this one has some very disagreeable material.
     
    I'd have to second that. I have also found Ron's articles to be consistently very worthwhile, but this one is really a very bad article. It made me cringe to read it. On the Trayvon Martin thing, I think a fair-minded assessment is that we simply don't know what happened. There were two people who did know. One is dead and the other has every reason to be less than truthful.

    I think the worst aspect of the article is his treatment of this Zebra murders case. This recently came to my attention because Steve Sailer alluded to it. I had not heard of the case. I went and looked at the wikipedia page and did some googling and it immediately struck me that the official version of events must be a total fiction. I wrote a response to that here:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/gerald-early-on-muhammad-ali/#comment-1443598

    Sailer never deigned to respond to me. Ron writes here:


    According to the later court testimony, black participants each needed to kill a total of nine white men to be awarded the coveted title of “Death Angel,” earning them the right to have their photos displayed in the Black Muslim meeting halls, while roughly double points were awarded for slaughtering white women or children, on the grounds that such killings were more psychologically difficult.
     
    The above looks utterly preposterous to me. What really happened is something quite different, I assume. For starters, it looks impossible simply because all of these groups are (and were) completely infiltrated by agents of the State.

    But, in general, the idea that people went to a temple or mosque, a place of worship, and were recruited to kill random white people and then they were going to have their pictures put on the wall.... a person with a certain level of BDQ has to be skeptical of such a narrative, I think.

    Look, the business of the Nation of Islam having some weird theology where they say that white folks are collectively the devil or the spawn of the devil -- that really has nothing to do with the notion that the NOI was actively encouraging their members to go kill random white people. The rank and file of NOI, as far as I can tell, are actually quite law abiding religious people. Even leaving aside the issue that all these groups were infiltrated and could not conduct a killing campaign over a period of half a year without the authorities knowing about it, the whole notion that, within the NOI, they are openly discussing killing random white people and everybody there is somehow okay with that -- this is all preposterous, and that Ron Unz takes this at face value is rather cringeworthy.

    My reading of the situation is that the Zebra murders were a Deep State psyop since it is impossible for a group like NOI to just be plotting and carrying out these murders without the organs of the State knowing about it. Certainly not for half a year. Probably the people they did ultimately imprison were patsies of some sort and framed for it. If that is the case, and the real killers were never caught, that could well be because there was no intention of catching them. If this was a psyop, as I suspect, the reason is obvious. It gives them a pretext for a violent crackdown on this group that they don't like. Okay, it doesn't seem that such a crackdown followed, but they would have been setting up the narrative.

    All the above said, as in the Trayvon Martin case, I simply don't know what really did happen. However, I see no sign that Ron Unz does either.

    “According to the later court testimony, black participants each needed to kill a total of nine white men to be awarded the coveted title of “Death Angel,” earning them the right to have their photos displayed in the Black Muslim meeting halls, while roughly double points were awarded for slaughtering white women or children, on the grounds that such killings were more psychologically difficult.”

    It’s in the trial transcripts and the witnesses who testified to the Death Angels were black muslims who were asked to join the Death Angels.

    Order the trail transcripts and read them before you deny the Death Angel testimony.

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    “According to the later court testimony, black participants each needed to kill a total of nine white men to be awarded the coveted title of “Death Angel,” earning them the right to have their photos displayed in the Black Muslim meeting halls, while roughly double points were awarded for slaughtering white women or children, on the grounds that such killings were more psychologically difficult.”
     
    Well, I know that's the story. I have very great doubts that this story is true, but the basic problem here is that you have this idea that, if I question the story, your "proof" of the story can be simply to repeat the story. Verbatim. Copy-and-paste.

    This is like what religious people do when you question whether a story in the Bible really happened. They simply repeat the story! Or they say: Well, it's in the Bible!

    Common sense says that, regardless of whether the story is true or not, if I didn't believe it the first time I heard it, simply repeating the story verbatim yet again will not cause me to suddenly believe it.

    As far as I can tell, the reason the story simply cannot be true is that all these sorts of groups were infiltrated. The name for this broad program was CointelPro. Not just black organizations, but surely whatever white groups, like the KKK, as well.

    So I that the Nation of Islam was basically transparent to the FBI. Nothing like this could be going on inside that organization without them knowing about it. And, regardless, even if, by some incredible chance, the organization was not completely infiltrated, the leadership would have to assume that this was the case.

    It’s in the trial transcripts and the witnesses who testified to the Death Angels were black muslims who were asked to join the Death Angels.
     
    Well, okay, somebody testified and said they were asked to join the "Death Angels". Look, there are always people who will say anything for a few bucks. The problem is the impossibility of the narrative. The NOI could not be doing this for a period of at least 6 months without the authorities knowing about it. The basic story is impossible. So I guess it didn't happen. Which means something else happened. I'm not sure what that something else is though.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    I usually love Unz’s articles, but this one has some very disagreeable material.
     
    I'd have to second that. I have also found Ron's articles to be consistently very worthwhile, but this one is really a very bad article. It made me cringe to read it. On the Trayvon Martin thing, I think a fair-minded assessment is that we simply don't know what happened. There were two people who did know. One is dead and the other has every reason to be less than truthful.

    I think the worst aspect of the article is his treatment of this Zebra murders case. This recently came to my attention because Steve Sailer alluded to it. I had not heard of the case. I went and looked at the wikipedia page and did some googling and it immediately struck me that the official version of events must be a total fiction. I wrote a response to that here:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/gerald-early-on-muhammad-ali/#comment-1443598

    Sailer never deigned to respond to me. Ron writes here:


    According to the later court testimony, black participants each needed to kill a total of nine white men to be awarded the coveted title of “Death Angel,” earning them the right to have their photos displayed in the Black Muslim meeting halls, while roughly double points were awarded for slaughtering white women or children, on the grounds that such killings were more psychologically difficult.
     
    The above looks utterly preposterous to me. What really happened is something quite different, I assume. For starters, it looks impossible simply because all of these groups are (and were) completely infiltrated by agents of the State.

    But, in general, the idea that people went to a temple or mosque, a place of worship, and were recruited to kill random white people and then they were going to have their pictures put on the wall.... a person with a certain level of BDQ has to be skeptical of such a narrative, I think.

    Look, the business of the Nation of Islam having some weird theology where they say that white folks are collectively the devil or the spawn of the devil -- that really has nothing to do with the notion that the NOI was actively encouraging their members to go kill random white people. The rank and file of NOI, as far as I can tell, are actually quite law abiding religious people. Even leaving aside the issue that all these groups were infiltrated and could not conduct a killing campaign over a period of half a year without the authorities knowing about it, the whole notion that, within the NOI, they are openly discussing killing random white people and everybody there is somehow okay with that -- this is all preposterous, and that Ron Unz takes this at face value is rather cringeworthy.

    My reading of the situation is that the Zebra murders were a Deep State psyop since it is impossible for a group like NOI to just be plotting and carrying out these murders without the organs of the State knowing about it. Certainly not for half a year. Probably the people they did ultimately imprison were patsies of some sort and framed for it. If that is the case, and the real killers were never caught, that could well be because there was no intention of catching them. If this was a psyop, as I suspect, the reason is obvious. It gives them a pretext for a violent crackdown on this group that they don't like. Okay, it doesn't seem that such a crackdown followed, but they would have been setting up the narrative.

    All the above said, as in the Trayvon Martin case, I simply don't know what really did happen. However, I see no sign that Ron Unz does either.

    You have no idea how easy it is for a normally strong man with a gun, knife, or just hands to kill someone. It is even easier for a normally strong man to kill a smaller man or woman.

    Look at Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz, the Green River killer in Washington state, Larry Singleton and David Carpenter. They were not cult members. They were loners. They were not organized serial killers in the movies. They had nothing but a car, sometimes a gun, sometimes a knife, a brick, a cord to strangle.

    They just got in the car, drove around, looked for and found the victims. Singleton and the Green River killer killed mostly street prostitutes who are easy victims.

    Most of their victims were women, smaller than the killers and thus easy to kill. Have you ever owned a gun? Ever took lessons in shooting? Ever hunted? Probably not, but if you ever did you might know how easy it is to kill.

    The black muslims who do the killings of Whites do it on their own. It’s not all that organized. They get to be friends with muslims in the killer group. They are approached and decide to join the group. But it’s really not organized with leaders and targets like the Manson killers were.

    They just go around in groups of 2 or 3 and when they see a possible victim and no witnesses they attack. It’s no big criminal conspiracy.

    There was one in California who drove around the freeways in suburban and rural areas. Every once in a while he’d get off the freeway and kill someone in the house nearest the freeway. He was White couldn’t possibly be a black muslim. Larry Singleton was an old man and his victims were young women; again the difference between male and female strength.

    But you don’t know anything about guns, other weapons such as a handy brick and the how strong the average normal young adult man is.

    People should really post about what they know. And you keep posting about things of which you are totally ignorant.

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    You have no idea how easy it is for a normally strong man with a gun, knife, or just hands to kill someone.
     
    This is just a pathetic straw-man argument. I never claimed that nobody was killed!

    What I question is whether the various killings that took place were part of an overall program of the Nation of Islam to murder random white people and give people brownie points for doing so. My reasons for not believing this story are not based on it being particularly difficult to kill somebody. that is a ridiculous straw man!
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  • @anarchyst
    If "young master Trayvon" had murdered Zimmerman, it would have not made page 10 of the local newspaper and would have been just "another robbery gone wrong", and "Tray-tray" would been free to ply his criminal trade...

    And make more little Trayvon’s. That is the best thing about the killing. He had no known children at the time of his death. But with the squirt and scram demographic, one never knows.

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  • @TheOneCalledJaine
    Really? Soooo Trayvon Martin, an A student walking home with a tea and some candy is somehow threatening to a wanna be cop who, as a representative of the neighborhood watch, was supposed to WATCH and report and wasn't supposed to be carrying of confronting anyone in the first place? And he "seemed to be violent?" Do tell....HOW or WHAT made Trayvon "seem" violent? Was it due to all of his arrests that he didn't have? Was it all of the fights he NEVER had in school? The F's and D's that he NEVER got in school? Funny how you think it's ok for a grown man with no badge to hunt down a KID! But then you go even further with Mike Brown - so apparently he was a thug too huh? It's amazing how "thugs" in your eyes are those who have never perpetuated violence in their past and carry 3.32 grade point averages in school. It's also clear that you must be a very little man to call a child (because Mike Brown was a child so you must be...I don't know....smaller than a child?) a "hulking" criminal! But what's even more interesting is how you make statements like " [Mike Brown] casually committed the strong-arm robbery of a convenience store at night" when that was never proven AND even the store owner said that it was NOT Mike Brown who robbed his store' s first statement (before he recanted - wonder why?). But we don't need to rehash this. We know who you are. We know that you're not interested in facts - in fact, you and your clique are trying your best to make facts obsolete by avoiding naming sources, twisting reality and often making up facts on the spot.

    Bottom line is - you're a perfect blend of monster and idiot. The perfect example of what happens when someone comes from a dysfunctional environment and desperately needs to minimize another group of people to feel better about themselves. The type of person who desperately accuses people of what they are themselves. Good writer or not, people would have to be absolutely stupid to fall for anything you say because if you'd stoop so low as to distort facts just to justify hating people because they have a permanent tan and you don't is the most UNAMERICAN that anyone can be.

    At the time he was killed, Trayvon was not attending school. He was suspended for attacking a school bus driver.

    Brown was 6’3 280 pds. That is hulking. Childhood ends at the thirteenth birthday. The officer noticed Brown and his thug friend swaggering down the road. That’s something blacks love to do, swagger around on the street daring forcing drivers to stop
    The officer stopped the car and called out to get back on the sidewalk. He didn’t get out or turn the car off. He just called out to get back on the sidewalk.

    And Brown and his thug friend rushed the officer. The thug friend came in the passenger side and the vicious hulking Brown on the driver’s side.

    Brown definitely deserved to be shot right there as he was. So did the thug in the passenger seat.

    Martin? He was a typical black thug who thought he could beat up a shorter White man as they love to do. The shorter White man was carrying. Martin ended up dead.

    It was self defense in both cases.

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  • @starviego
    The philosophy of the Black Muslims may even have been the inspiration of Charles Manson, infamous mass murderer. The details:

    http://www.mansonblog.com/search/label/Zebra%20murders

    Manson murders were 68 or 69. Zebra killings were in 73 and 74.

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    The nine Manson killings happened in an eight week span in the summer of '69. The Zebra killings-defined broadly as a spree by Black Muslims killing whites in a random fashion with no known motive-probably started up around 1970, and lasted until early 1975.
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  • @AMM
    I read Ron's original piece in the American Pravda series, and I must say, that one sentence describing Till as having a "violent history" seems to be an error when considering his overall strategy. It omits the detail that Till was violent, but that he also *might* have been trying to protect his mother. Therefor, in that one sentence, you wonder whether or not Unz is hiding other facts in order to further his own agenda. And that is not something you want your readers wondering if you are going to fight a battle of credibility with the larger media organizations.

    However, the point about Till was minor with respect to the overall theme of this article, and I do not think it was too costly. Everybody makes mistakes, and the point wasn't to conclude that Till was definitely guilty, but rather to conclude that there could be another explanation for the story. The article was still very interesting and made some good points, allowing the reader to draw some of his own conclusions based on the analysis.

    “It omits the detail that Till was violent, but that he also *might* have been trying to protect his mother. ”

    Till’s Mother was hundreds of miles away in Chicago. How could he possibly have been protecting her?

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    A fact does not have to known or verified by anyone to be a fact.
     
    Uhh, no, you're simply wrong. A fact is supposed to be verifiable. Typically, it means a statement that no reasonable person would care to dispute, along the lines of "Paris is the capital of France."

    I could tell you that I had bread and cheese for breakfast. It so happens that this is true, but it is not a fact because nobody has any way of verifying it.

    This exemplifies a key problem there is in so much of what passes for debate on this and other sites. People don't understand the difference between facts and storytelling -- telling unverifiable stories.

    Who are you to demand proof of what comments are made? Do you think you are God or King of the world or something?

    Why not just “research” the meaning of the word fact instead of using the word to start an argument.

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    Who are you to demand proof of what comments are made?
     
    Well, I am not participating anonymously. You are. So it does take a serious level of chutzpah for you to be getting into this "Who are you" sort of rhetoric.

    Now, anybody with a grain of sense (which is not many people around here, I guess...) should know that unverifiable stories written anonymously have just about zero credibility.

    If you want to affect such indignation when I point out that such stories do not constitute "facts", I guess that's your shtick. But one would hope most people can see through it.
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  • @Ron Unz

    Hey, Alden, did you tell her about the hundreds of thousands of books that you allegedly read?
     
    Well, I can't assess the particular issue under dispute. But offhand, "Alden" seems like a particularly knowledgeable and level-headed commenter on lots of issues.

    However, I think she's also mentioned that she's quite elderly, and if she actually once claimed to have read "hundreds of thousands of books," are you so sure it wasn't just a (very minor) typo for "hundreds or thousands of books"? I've occasionally made typos myself, and I suspect even you may have done the same...

    Thank you.

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  • @Corvinus
    "I read fast. Don’t like TV."

    Let us take a stroll down memory lane. One could assume that besides history books, you have read non-history books. I gather you are retired. So, for fun, let us assume that you are 80 years old AND you began reading at age 4 since you were a prodigy. 76 x 365 = 27740 days of your life. Let us now assume you read 200000 HISTORY books, since that was YOUR claim that you read hundreds of thousands of those materials. 200000 divided by 27740 = 7.20. So, your average number of books a day is 7.

    Considering that the average number of books people read over the course of a year is 12…

    For the sake of argument, let us say the books you read averaged 100 pages, which would be on the low end. That would be 700 pages to read in a day. Consider that the average reading speed is 200-250 words a minute for non-technical material, (roughly 2 minutes per page). But assuming you were that prodigy, I will grant you for non-technical AND technical material, you would average 1 page in two minutes and meaningfully comprehend the information. That would mean 30 pages in 60 minutes/1 hour.

    Do you see where the math is leading us? Had you stated that you read thousands of history books in your lifetime, while highly unlikely, at least this possibility is more digestible than your claim of reading hundreds of thousands of history books.

    But I’m not an average reader. i can even read when I’m cooking. And I read about 130 pages an hour. Is that fast? Slow? Who cares?

    Why do you care? Go start an argument with someone else, preferably in person with someone big, strong and mean

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    I was there during the Zebra murders.
     
    Wow! You remind me of Woody Allen's Zelig character!

    I was there, in the San Francisco City and County Hall of Justice, 850 Bryant. Top floor was the city jail in which the zebra killers were held during the trial. Then the court rooms in which they were arraigned, tried and convicted. Then Police Headquarters where the Homicide Bureau was quartered. The DA’s office that prosecuted them

    To the west of 850 Bryant connected by a big parking lot is the morgue where the bodies were brought. The saddest body was the only John Doe, a White man around 35 to 40 who had been tortured for days before he was killed. He has never been identified. A good assumption is that he was a tourist traveling alone. PD and FBI used all the databases all over the country but didn’t find him in the missing persons. A lot of foreign tourists come to San Francisco. He may have been from Canada, Australia or New Zealand.

    I was there. You were not.

    All you know is the liberal propaganda that fills your empty vessel of a brain.

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  • Of course most readers will already have realized that the reason for the slant in the news is that Jews control the media. Also book printing and publication, so in turn, they control history. Not only here i the US but in Europe as well. I pray that one day we can rid ourselves of these parasites.

    I was born in the late 30s in the rural South and never heard of a KKK killing. At times they would get on to a White father for not working and providing for his family. Their intimidations for the most part worked, I am told. At other times they provided food for a black family, especially around Christmas and helped blacks find jobs. Violent blacks were kept in check. The KKK’s existence kept a primitive people in check, in many cases, keeping the peace.

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  • @Ron Unz

    Nonetheless, I think all the claims in the quoted sentence are still factually accurate.
     
    Well, sure, if you read the article in an extremely lawyerly fashion, even the bit I quoted is not necessary factually incorrect. But I think that the tight juxtaposition of the "personal experience of racism" suffered by those black Republican Trump supporters with the "thousands" of KKK lynchings mentioned, means that virtually anyone ignorant of the history who casually reads the sentence would naturally conclude that the latter killings had mostly occurred during the 1960s, 1970s, or even into the 1980s.

    Personally, I'd bet there's a 50-50 chance that the ignorant Times reporter who wrote the article vaguely believes exactly that...

    I had a tenant, a UCLA women who was a grad student and TA in some kind of grievance studies.

    She actually firmly believed that

    1. The Democrat party fought the civil war on the Union federal side

    2. The confederates were all Republicans

    3. The abolitionists were Republicans (30 years before the party was founded 1856)

    4. The Jim Crow laws and segregation were Republican things and that the Republicans fought the civil rights laws.

    But she was not ignorant and uneducated. She just believed what she was taught since Kindergarten to one of the prestige universities. And like Corvinus and Revulsky, she believes what she reads in teh newspapers.

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  • @Corvinus
    "How naive and credulous you are to believe a newspaper article in a major Democrat half black city."

    There are dozens of articles on this story! Carolyn Bryant admitted herself she lied. Talk about being naive and credulous. So, if you are of the mindset that the story is other than accurate, you are going to have to offer specific proof.

    "PS typing* Emmet Till into the internet is not research."

    Actually, it is research. I linked to one of several stories to offer evidence that challenges your assertion. Your "uncle" may have thought he knew the entire story at the time of the murder, but there is new evidence that you must take into account. Besides, you would have to submit what exactly your relative knew in his own words about the "truth", rather than blindly tell the viewing audience that we ought to trust him.

    "You just keep repeating the same old same old liberal propaganda I learned was total lies 50 years ago."

    Do you understand that it was a RECENT revelation? Carolyn wrote that she fabricated the story. What she said 50 years ago is now irrelevant.

    Are you going to admit this fact?

    In addition, let’s focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

    And, finally, what about me challenging your assertion that you have read hundreds of thousands of history books? Are you going to address it or simply ignore it?

    When you go to heaven you can find my uncle Harry and ask him about it.

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    When you go to heaven you can find my uncle Harry and ask him about it.
     
    Out of idle curiosity, what was your Uncle Harry's last name?

    Also, what was the time and place of his death?

    Or is all this classified information?
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  • @Corvinus
    "4 men, 2 White and 2 black."

    Who are these alleged black men who participated in the murder of Till? Were they put on trial? What sources are you referring to that definitively state that besides Bryant's husband and his half-brother there were two black men alongside them?

    "I think you’re right, the woman he raped was Bryant, not Brady."

    Of course I was right.

    "But you are a liberal who read and believed “To kill a Mockingbird” and think that no black man every raped a White woman and think that all rape accusations against black men are false."

    Red herring. Let's stick to the issues here.

    Do you understand that it was a RECENT revelation? Carolyn wrote that she fabricated the story. What she said 50 years ago is now irrelevant.

    Are you going to admit this fact?

    In addition, let’s focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

    And, finally, what about me challenging your assertion that you have read hundreds of thousands of history books? Are you going to address it or simply ignore it?

    The black men worked for the husband and helped dispose of the body.

    “And, finally, what about me challenging your assertion that you have read hundreds of thousands of history books? Are you going to address it or simply ignore it?”

    Challenge away SFB, who are you to challenge me? Too bad they closed the mental hospitals down.

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    "The black men worked for the husband and helped dispose of the body."

    What sources do you have as evidence? Because it was only the two white men who disposed of the body, as they stated later on when they got paid for their story in Look Magazine. So you are going to have to use your books.

    Regardless, are you going to admit that the Bryant lady made up her story, or keep pretending she was truthful?

    "Challenge away SFB, who are you to challenge me?"

    Exactly what I thought. You got caught, and now you are doubling down like a SJW.
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  • @Corvinus
    "Interesting. So you positively refuse to self-examine, or to apologize for conduct which you admit you ought to repent. Your situation sounds even worse than I thought."

    Just what I suspected. I have shown you the path to better yourself, and then you turn in it upon me. Your projection is your undoing. Deny all you want, but it is your predicament that warrants serious inquiry. Focus on yourself rather than me.

    So you are taking my advice and twisting it in a way to say that I, not you, have significant issues. So if you take this path that I have shown you, then you will prove to be committed to helping yourself. Evaluate your own motives and make the appropriate changes.

    "If you take this path, you will show yourself serious, and your comments worth reading. If you do not, I will not judge your motives, but I will have to conclude that your commenting here is fundamentally unserious."

    Considering your level of denial, I am afraid that you will continue to judge me and my motives as being other than sincere. It appears that no matter how I try to assist you, you will continue to insist that my comments are other than worthwhile in reading. It is truly sad that you mistaking my help as being "Judge not, lest you be judged". Again, seek the Lord to cleanse your soul.

    Are you some kind of lunatic preacher? “i have shown you the path to better yourself” Do you think you are God or something? LOL LOL LOL to your comment

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  • @silly billy
    The case of "white" George Zimmerman and the "innocent" Trayvon Martin is particularly interesting.

    George Zimmerman, in fact, is so dark that wouldn't have looked out of place in any Mexican village and yet the media still chose to describe him as "white." This made this shooting simply another example of "white racism."

    The pictures of George Zimmerman that were taken immediately after the shooting are quite revealing . It took a long time for the first pictures of of the injuries inflicted on Zimmerman to finally come out in the MSM. The first ones that finally appeared showed him after having been treated and cleaned and stitched up by by medical personnel, either at the scene or at an emergency room afterwards.

    In these very sanitized photos we still see some still obvious serious injuries to the back of Zimmerman's head that showed that Martin had apparently been on top of Zimmerman and had been on top of Zimmerman while banging the back of his head into the pavement. No wonder Zimmerman was upset when he shot Trayvon.

    The lack of blood in these pictures however made Zimmerman's injuries appear less serious than they might have been. In fact this picture was finally probably but reluctantly distributed by the media specifically to downplay the actual extent of Zimmerman's injuries.The writer of this comment apparently feels that Zimmerman should have let Martin continue to bang his head on the ground to prove that he wasn't a racist.

    Then, another picture finally suddenly appeared after an even longer delay. It was not distributed by the MSM however, I personally discovered it during an internet search.It showed Zimmerman's head right after the attack and before treatment. The back of his head was absolutely covered in a huge amount of blood, maybe as much as a half or full pint When I first saw it I was reminded me of one of the more gruesome wound you see in war movies.. Trayvon had in fact apparently been beating the hell out of the weak and puggy Zimmerman. Very few people have ever been shown this far bloodier picture since it never appeared in the MSM.. The MSM had totally censored it. This bloody picture was undoubtedly a major factor in Zimmerman being acquitted at his criminal trial.

    Then the question must be what exactly was Zimmerman doing out there in the first place bothering outstanding citizens like Trayvon? Was he walking around just to be mean to black folks?

    Actually , he was a member of a "neighborhood watch" group that was attempting to counter a staggering rise in the number of black on white crimes that were occurring with increasingly frequency against the non black members of the Ferguson community. I seem to remember that there had been over 2400 property crimes and physical attacks in recent times committed n this middle class, racially mixed neighborhood. by the members of the nearby ghetto. I remember reading that some white residents reported having been burglarized five (or more) times over a fairly short period of time . Zimmerman was patrolling simply because of this increasing crime wave was making living in Ferguson for whites simply untenable. The white folks were desperate. Hence the citizen patrols.

    But it was already simply too late, It was increasingly futile and dangerous for him to even be making his patrol rounds and the MSM has now made this futility complete. Now Ferguson has become yet another failed black majority community, sor of like a mini east Oakland. The whites have now apparently disappeared but only after having sold their houses at firesale prices.

    The media probably just picked up on the name German name Zimmerman. Probably hoped he was a 6’2 blue eyed blonde

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  • Well the truth is what is left when the lies die. The Roman Church covered up for baby raping priests for years, and finally the story made it out.

    Same with the other items mentioned here. People know, and remember, and when the opportunity comes get their own back.

    Blacks have run wild for years, and now the Mexicans are cleaning them out of their old ‘hoods. There are no more Black in Compton per the WSJ.

    Oddly the Blacks and the Lefties in general want to see social order breakdown so they can take over. Actually, when that happens, ordinarily pacific Christians will take the opportunity to clean them out root and branch and there will be know mercy because by then it will be clear that the Black and others cannot and will not live in peace here.

    Note, that after WWII the Czechs and Poles ran out all the local Germans for the same reason with a great loss of life.

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  • @Alden
    How naive and credulous you are to believe a newspaper article in a major Democrat half black city.

    Your brain is an empty sink. The tap is closed, the faucet is turned on and the empty vessel fills with liberal propaganda.

    PS typing* Emmet Till into the internet is not research. Hearing about the case from an FBI employee is a better way to find about the case than a liberal propaganda newspaper article you found on the internet.

    It seems to me you have no first hand knowledge of anything. You just keep repeating the same old same old liberal propaganda I learned was total lies 50 years ago.

    How naive and credulous you are to believe a newspaper article in a major Democrat half black city.

    Yeah, he should believe anonymous crank commenters on a website instead… that wouldn’t be naive or credulous, I guess….

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    you... and think that no black man every raped a White woman and think that all rape accusations against black men are false.
     
    That straw-man fallacy is an oldie but a goodie, eh? I tell ya, it's never going out of style. (Nor is begging the question or any of the other classic fallacies in argumentation...)

    Denying, excusing, and rationalizing black crimes against whites never goes out of style.

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  • @Alden
    4 men, 2 White and 2 black. I think you're right, the woman he raped was Bryant, not Brady. But you are a liberal who read and believed "To kill a Mockingbird" and think that no black man every raped a White woman and think that all rape accusations against black men are false.

    Where did you grow up and where do you live; Great Neck, Little Neck, Five Towns, Highland Park, Skokie or some similar 100 percent White liberal Jewish empty vessel enclave that has never experienced black crime and thinks black crime is just a myth created by evil conservatives to put your beloved little black brothers in prison?

    you… and think that no black man every raped a White woman and think that all rape accusations against black men are false.

    That straw-man fallacy is an oldie but a goodie, eh? I tell ya, it’s never going out of style. (Nor is begging the question or any of the other classic fallacies in argumentation…)

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    Denying, excusing, and rationalizing black crimes against whites never goes out of style.
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  • @Anon

    This is no longer about me
     
    Interesting. So you positively refuse to self-examine, or to apologize for conduct which you admit you ought to repent. Your situation sounds even worse than I thought.

    Will you help yourself just this once?
     
    I have. I have helped myself through helping others, in this case offering you a path to make reparation for acts that you yourself admit were wrong. If you take this path, you will show yourself serious, and your comments worth reading. If you do not, I will not judge your motives, but I will have to conclude that your commenting here is fundamentally unserious.

    perhaps then you will be mindful of your own tendencies to maliciously and ruthlessly attack people whenever they disagree with your position.
     
    That's very interesting too. You have no knowledge of any of my tendencies. So this is probably projection, though I will refrain from positively asserting so, as you should also, being a self-professed Christian and bearing in mind the dictum of your prophet "Judge not, lest you be judged". I am quite saddened that you do not.

    It’s funny how you try to weasel out of making them, though. You must not believe in contracts, which sounds interesting.
     
    This is an observation. It sounds as though you believe Christians, including yourself, cannot honestly make promises. This means you cannot make contracts. Please elaborate.

    By the way, I once more request you to join me in wishing a happy Thanksqiving to everybody here at Unz.com. I will also offer my thanks to Mr. Unz for maintaining this website, source of so many interesting perspectives, and I ask you to do so as well.

    “Interesting. So you positively refuse to self-examine, or to apologize for conduct which you admit you ought to repent. Your situation sounds even worse than I thought.”

    Just what I suspected. I have shown you the path to better yourself, and then you turn in it upon me. Your projection is your undoing. Deny all you want, but it is your predicament that warrants serious inquiry. Focus on yourself rather than me.

    So you are taking my advice and twisting it in a way to say that I, not you, have significant issues. So if you take this path that I have shown you, then you will prove to be committed to helping yourself. Evaluate your own motives and make the appropriate changes.

    “If you take this path, you will show yourself serious, and your comments worth reading. If you do not, I will not judge your motives, but I will have to conclude that your commenting here is fundamentally unserious.”

    Considering your level of denial, I am afraid that you will continue to judge me and my motives as being other than sincere. It appears that no matter how I try to assist you, you will continue to insist that my comments are other than worthwhile in reading. It is truly sad that you mistaking my help as being “Judge not, lest you be judged”. Again, seek the Lord to cleanse your soul.

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    Are you some kind of lunatic preacher? "i have shown you the path to better yourself" Do you think you are God or something? LOL LOL LOL to your comment
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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "It’s funny how you try weasel out of making them, though. You must not believe in contracts, which sounds interesting."

    Another shining example of your denigration and degradation by way of hypocrisy and crippling the human spirit. Please, I implore you, look inwardly at your own immoral tendencies. Work toward actually improving yourself.

    "Given that you have no way of knowing how much this is, you must not know whether you repent of your previous conduct or not. This is a very unhealthy spiritual state and I recommend you change it immediately by serious self-examination."

    You know what, I was going to say the exact same thing to you. Study your own conduct thoroughly, take the appropriate steps change; perhaps then you will be mindful of your own tendencies to maliciously and ruthlessly attack people whenever they disagree with your position.

    Maybe on this Thanksgiving you will be thankful that someone gave you advice that you ought to take. This is no longer about me, but it is squarely about you. Any effort on your part to now correct my behavior is viewed as projection on your part.

    I'm just trying to help you. Will you help yourself just this once?

    This is no longer about me

    Interesting. So you positively refuse to self-examine, or to apologize for conduct which you admit you ought to repent. Your situation sounds even worse than I thought.

    Will you help yourself just this once?

    I have. I have helped myself through helping others, in this case offering you a path to make reparation for acts that you yourself admit were wrong. If you take this path, you will show yourself serious, and your comments worth reading. If you do not, I will not judge your motives, but I will have to conclude that your commenting here is fundamentally unserious.

    perhaps then you will be mindful of your own tendencies to maliciously and ruthlessly attack people whenever they disagree with your position.

    That’s very interesting too. You have no knowledge of any of my tendencies. So this is probably projection, though I will refrain from positively asserting so, as you should also, being a self-professed Christian and bearing in mind the dictum of your prophet “Judge not, lest you be judged”. I am quite saddened that you do not.

    It’s funny how you try to weasel out of making them, though. You must not believe in contracts, which sounds interesting.

    This is an observation. It sounds as though you believe Christians, including yourself, cannot honestly make promises. This means you cannot make contracts. Please elaborate.

    By the way, I once more request you to join me in wishing a happy Thanksqiving to everybody here at Unz.com. I will also offer my thanks to Mr. Unz for maintaining this website, source of so many interesting perspectives, and I ask you to do so as well.

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    "Interesting. So you positively refuse to self-examine, or to apologize for conduct which you admit you ought to repent. Your situation sounds even worse than I thought."

    Just what I suspected. I have shown you the path to better yourself, and then you turn in it upon me. Your projection is your undoing. Deny all you want, but it is your predicament that warrants serious inquiry. Focus on yourself rather than me.

    So you are taking my advice and twisting it in a way to say that I, not you, have significant issues. So if you take this path that I have shown you, then you will prove to be committed to helping yourself. Evaluate your own motives and make the appropriate changes.

    "If you take this path, you will show yourself serious, and your comments worth reading. If you do not, I will not judge your motives, but I will have to conclude that your commenting here is fundamentally unserious."

    Considering your level of denial, I am afraid that you will continue to judge me and my motives as being other than sincere. It appears that no matter how I try to assist you, you will continue to insist that my comments are other than worthwhile in reading. It is truly sad that you mistaking my help as being "Judge not, lest you be judged". Again, seek the Lord to cleanse your soul.
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  • @Anon

    We all fail to regularly keep our promises.
     
    It's funny how you try weasel out of making them, though. You must not believe in contracts, which sounds interesting.

    Just as much as you have tried to refrain from repeatedly denigrating the fine folks here at unz.
     
    Given that you have no way of knowing how much this is, you must not know whether you repent of your previous conduct or not. This is a very unhealthy spiritual state and I recommend you change it immediately by serious self-examination.

    Thank you for wishing me a happy Thanksgiving. I extend these wishes to all here at Unz.com and request you to do likewise.

    “It’s funny how you try weasel out of making them, though. You must not believe in contracts, which sounds interesting.”

    Another shining example of your denigration and degradation by way of hypocrisy and crippling the human spirit. Please, I implore you, look inwardly at your own immoral tendencies. Work toward actually improving yourself.

    “Given that you have no way of knowing how much this is, you must not know whether you repent of your previous conduct or not. This is a very unhealthy spiritual state and I recommend you change it immediately by serious self-examination.”

    You know what, I was going to say the exact same thing to you. Study your own conduct thoroughly, take the appropriate steps change; perhaps then you will be mindful of your own tendencies to maliciously and ruthlessly attack people whenever they disagree with your position.

    Maybe on this Thanksgiving you will be thankful that someone gave you advice that you ought to take. This is no longer about me, but it is squarely about you. Any effort on your part to now correct my behavior is viewed as projection on your part.

    I’m just trying to help you. Will you help yourself just this once?

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    This is no longer about me
     
    Interesting. So you positively refuse to self-examine, or to apologize for conduct which you admit you ought to repent. Your situation sounds even worse than I thought.

    Will you help yourself just this once?
     
    I have. I have helped myself through helping others, in this case offering you a path to make reparation for acts that you yourself admit were wrong. If you take this path, you will show yourself serious, and your comments worth reading. If you do not, I will not judge your motives, but I will have to conclude that your commenting here is fundamentally unserious.

    perhaps then you will be mindful of your own tendencies to maliciously and ruthlessly attack people whenever they disagree with your position.
     
    That's very interesting too. You have no knowledge of any of my tendencies. So this is probably projection, though I will refrain from positively asserting so, as you should also, being a self-professed Christian and bearing in mind the dictum of your prophet "Judge not, lest you be judged". I am quite saddened that you do not.

    It’s funny how you try to weasel out of making them, though. You must not believe in contracts, which sounds interesting.
     
    This is an observation. It sounds as though you believe Christians, including yourself, cannot honestly make promises. This means you cannot make contracts. Please elaborate.

    By the way, I once more request you to join me in wishing a happy Thanksqiving to everybody here at Unz.com. I will also offer my thanks to Mr. Unz for maintaining this website, source of so many interesting perspectives, and I ask you to do so as well.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus
    "Have you repented of your attempts to “emasculate” your fellow commenters?"

    Just as much as you have tried to refrain from repeatedly denigrating the fine folks here at unz.

    "Do you promise not to make such attempts in future?"

    We all fail to regularly keep our promises. That is why We, as Humans, have failings, with He forgiving us.

    "Oh, and a happy Thanksgiving."

    Likewise.

    We all fail to regularly keep our promises.

    It’s funny how you try weasel out of making them, though. You must not believe in contracts, which sounds interesting.

    Just as much as you have tried to refrain from repeatedly denigrating the fine folks here at unz.

    Given that you have no way of knowing how much this is, you must not know whether you repent of your previous conduct or not. This is a very unhealthy spiritual state and I recommend you change it immediately by serious self-examination.

    Thank you for wishing me a happy Thanksgiving. I extend these wishes to all here at Unz.com and request you to do likewise.

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    "It’s funny how you try weasel out of making them, though. You must not believe in contracts, which sounds interesting."

    Another shining example of your denigration and degradation by way of hypocrisy and crippling the human spirit. Please, I implore you, look inwardly at your own immoral tendencies. Work toward actually improving yourself.

    "Given that you have no way of knowing how much this is, you must not know whether you repent of your previous conduct or not. This is a very unhealthy spiritual state and I recommend you change it immediately by serious self-examination."

    You know what, I was going to say the exact same thing to you. Study your own conduct thoroughly, take the appropriate steps change; perhaps then you will be mindful of your own tendencies to maliciously and ruthlessly attack people whenever they disagree with your position.

    Maybe on this Thanksgiving you will be thankful that someone gave you advice that you ought to take. This is no longer about me, but it is squarely about you. Any effort on your part to now correct my behavior is viewed as projection on your part.

    I'm just trying to help you. Will you help yourself just this once?
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  • @Alden
    4 men, 2 White and 2 black. I think you're right, the woman he raped was Bryant, not Brady. But you are a liberal who read and believed "To kill a Mockingbird" and think that no black man every raped a White woman and think that all rape accusations against black men are false.

    Where did you grow up and where do you live; Great Neck, Little Neck, Five Towns, Highland Park, Skokie or some similar 100 percent White liberal Jewish empty vessel enclave that has never experienced black crime and thinks black crime is just a myth created by evil conservatives to put your beloved little black brothers in prison?

    “4 men, 2 White and 2 black.”

    Who are these alleged black men who participated in the murder of Till? Were they put on trial? What sources are you referring to that definitively state that besides Bryant’s husband and his half-brother there were two black men alongside them?

    “I think you’re right, the woman he raped was Bryant, not Brady.”

    Of course I was right.

    “But you are a liberal who read and believed “To kill a Mockingbird” and think that no black man every raped a White woman and think that all rape accusations against black men are false.”

    Red herring. Let’s stick to the issues here.

    Do you understand that it was a RECENT revelation? Carolyn wrote that she fabricated the story. What she said 50 years ago is now irrelevant.

    Are you going to admit this fact?

    In addition, let’s focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

    And, finally, what about me challenging your assertion that you have read hundreds of thousands of history books? Are you going to address it or simply ignore it?

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    The black men worked for the husband and helped dispose of the body.


    "And, finally, what about me challenging your assertion that you have read hundreds of thousands of history books? Are you going to address it or simply ignore it?"

    Challenge away SFB, who are you to challenge me? Too bad they closed the mental hospitals down.
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  • @Anon
    Have you repented of your attempts to "emasculate" your fellow commenters? Do you promise not to make such attempts in future?

    Oh, and a happy Thanksgiving.

    “Have you repented of your attempts to “emasculate” your fellow commenters?”

    Just as much as you have tried to refrain from repeatedly denigrating the fine folks here at unz.

    “Do you promise not to make such attempts in future?”

    We all fail to regularly keep our promises. That is why We, as Humans, have failings, with He forgiving us.

    “Oh, and a happy Thanksgiving.”

    Likewise.

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    We all fail to regularly keep our promises.
     
    It's funny how you try weasel out of making them, though. You must not believe in contracts, which sounds interesting.

    Just as much as you have tried to refrain from repeatedly denigrating the fine folks here at unz.
     
    Given that you have no way of knowing how much this is, you must not know whether you repent of your previous conduct or not. This is a very unhealthy spiritual state and I recommend you change it immediately by serious self-examination.

    Thank you for wishing me a happy Thanksgiving. I extend these wishes to all here at Unz.com and request you to do likewise.
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  • @Corvinus
    "I only post about things I know about. You should have read the first sentences. My uncle Harry worked for the FBI at the time of the killing. The FBI knew the truth and he told the family about it on his visits."

    The truth came out that Bryant lied, and that there were charges against her being mulled. That is the story in case you forgot.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-emmett-till-lie-glanton-20170130-column.html

    "My reference is an FBI employee who knew what really happened."

    Right, that two men took the law into their own hands.

    4 men, 2 White and 2 black. I think you’re right, the woman he raped was Bryant, not Brady. But you are a liberal who read and believed “To kill a Mockingbird” and think that no black man every raped a White woman and think that all rape accusations against black men are false.

    Where did you grow up and where do you live; Great Neck, Little Neck, Five Towns, Highland Park, Skokie or some similar 100 percent White liberal Jewish empty vessel enclave that has never experienced black crime and thinks black crime is just a myth created by evil conservatives to put your beloved little black brothers in prison?

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    "4 men, 2 White and 2 black."

    Who are these alleged black men who participated in the murder of Till? Were they put on trial? What sources are you referring to that definitively state that besides Bryant's husband and his half-brother there were two black men alongside them?

    "I think you’re right, the woman he raped was Bryant, not Brady."

    Of course I was right.

    "But you are a liberal who read and believed “To kill a Mockingbird” and think that no black man every raped a White woman and think that all rape accusations against black men are false."

    Red herring. Let's stick to the issues here.

    Do you understand that it was a RECENT revelation? Carolyn wrote that she fabricated the story. What she said 50 years ago is now irrelevant.

    Are you going to admit this fact?

    In addition, let’s focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

    And, finally, what about me challenging your assertion that you have read hundreds of thousands of history books? Are you going to address it or simply ignore it?
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    you... and think that no black man every raped a White woman and think that all rape accusations against black men are false.
     
    That straw-man fallacy is an oldie but a goodie, eh? I tell ya, it's never going out of style. (Nor is begging the question or any of the other classic fallacies in argumentation...)
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  • The aggressor is the one that initiated the confrontation by stalking and disobeying orders from the police dispatcher :Zimmerman and NOT the one winning the physical fight:Martin

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  • @Corvinus
    "Hey Corvy, did you ever square that your Christianity, which is so strict that it forbids even the use of sarcasm, allows you to try to “emasculate” other commenters?"

    God forgives sinners who repent. You should take Him on that offer. And as Paul stated "I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children."

    Have you repented of your attempts to “emasculate” your fellow commenters? Do you promise not to make such attempts in future?

    Oh, and a happy Thanksgiving.

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    "Have you repented of your attempts to “emasculate” your fellow commenters?"

    Just as much as you have tried to refrain from repeatedly denigrating the fine folks here at unz.

    "Do you promise not to make such attempts in future?"

    We all fail to regularly keep our promises. That is why We, as Humans, have failings, with He forgiving us.

    "Oh, and a happy Thanksgiving."

    Likewise.
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  • @Anon
    Hey Corvy, did you ever square that your Christianity, which is so strict that it forbids even the use of sarcasm, allows you to try to "emasculate" other commenters?

    “Hey Corvy, did you ever square that your Christianity, which is so strict that it forbids even the use of sarcasm, allows you to try to “emasculate” other commenters?”

    God forgives sinners who repent. You should take Him on that offer. And as Paul stated “I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children.”

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    Have you repented of your attempts to "emasculate" your fellow commenters? Do you promise not to make such attempts in future?

    Oh, and a happy Thanksgiving.

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  • @Alden
    An interesting book about the Zebra murders is Zebra Murders; a season of killing and racial madness by Earl Sanders San Francisco's. I read it. It was really a biography of Sanders and how much he hates Whites. Sanders only passed one written test, the entry level written test before affirmative action abolished merit hiring. he got detective without passing a test, then jumped to sergeant, and within a few years Chief. I think the racial madness in the title was to make it appear as though Whites were fighting back. And being scared about black assassins roaming the town.

    Sanders' agent managed to get Brad Pitt's production company, Plan B to buy the movie rights. It languished in development for a few years, but plan B eventually decided not to make a movie because no matter how it was tweaked, it was about blacks killing Whites. The book was basically Sanders hating Whites and bragging about his rise to chief.

    Alden,

    Thanks for your informed comments, much appreciated. I read the Earl Sanders book a couple of years ago. Yes, it’s mostly a lament of how much discrimination he supposedly received at a place he eventually was put in charge of.

    His “co-author,” a screenwriter named Bennett Cohen, seized on Sanders as a hook for a film with this plot: “Heroic African-American detectives solve murder spree which white detectives could not. They did it while facing vicious racism inside the department. The killers were driven to it because of the same racism”

    In reality, the lead detectives, Gus Coreris and John Fotinos, did the major work cracking the case. Indeed, a close reading of the Cohen-Sanders work can’t hide this fact.

    A web search a few years ago revealed the screenwriter for the Plan B project named Carnahan, said something like “The killers were pissed off by the same racism Earl Sanders encountered.”

    But as you write, even this tweaking couldn’t hide “it was about blacks killing whites.”

    BTW, Jeffrey Toobin briefly mentioned the Zebra murders in his Patty Hearst book last year. In an interview during his book tour, Toobin said somebody needs to do another book on the Zebra murders “but it won’t be me.”

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  • @josh
    Did he follow after he was told that he didn't "need to do that" (not ordered to stop btw)? If you listen to the 911 call on youtube, Zimmerman is running and breathing heavily, after he is told he doesn't need to follow, he stops running and breathing heavily and tell the 911 operator that he has lost visual contact with Martin. So at what point does Zimmerman follow Martin after being told to stop?

    To hell with 911. Who are they to tell him where to go in his own neighborhood? Why is it that he should be confined?

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  • @Corvinus
    Sir, she has made it known to me on more than one occasion that she has accomplished that feat, so call me skeptical of her typo in this incident, especially since I have asked for clarification on the matter and have yet to receive a response.

    Hey Corvy, did you ever square that your Christianity, which is so strict that it forbids even the use of sarcasm, allows you to try to “emasculate” other commenters?

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    "Hey Corvy, did you ever square that your Christianity, which is so strict that it forbids even the use of sarcasm, allows you to try to “emasculate” other commenters?"

    God forgives sinners who repent. You should take Him on that offer. And as Paul stated "I do not write these things to shame you, but to admonish you as my beloved children."
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  • @Alden
    How naive and credulous you are to believe a newspaper article in a major Democrat half black city.

    Your brain is an empty sink. The tap is closed, the faucet is turned on and the empty vessel fills with liberal propaganda.

    PS typing* Emmet Till into the internet is not research. Hearing about the case from an FBI employee is a better way to find about the case than a liberal propaganda newspaper article you found on the internet.

    It seems to me you have no first hand knowledge of anything. You just keep repeating the same old same old liberal propaganda I learned was total lies 50 years ago.

    “How naive and credulous you are to believe a newspaper article in a major Democrat half black city.”

    There are dozens of articles on this story! Carolyn Bryant admitted herself she lied. Talk about being naive and credulous. So, if you are of the mindset that the story is other than accurate, you are going to have to offer specific proof.

    “PS typing* Emmet Till into the internet is not research.”

    Actually, it is research. I linked to one of several stories to offer evidence that challenges your assertion. Your “uncle” may have thought he knew the entire story at the time of the murder, but there is new evidence that you must take into account. Besides, you would have to submit what exactly your relative knew in his own words about the “truth”, rather than blindly tell the viewing audience that we ought to trust him.

    “You just keep repeating the same old same old liberal propaganda I learned was total lies 50 years ago.”

    Do you understand that it was a RECENT revelation? Carolyn wrote that she fabricated the story. What she said 50 years ago is now irrelevant.

    Are you going to admit this fact?

    In addition, let’s focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

    And, finally, what about me challenging your assertion that you have read hundreds of thousands of history books? Are you going to address it or simply ignore it?

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    When you go to heaven you can find my uncle Harry and ask him about it.
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  • @Alden
    I was there during the Zebra murders. I worked just 2 floors away from the homicide detectives that found the. killers It was hushed up even in the department. I had my own concerns and I don't believe I knew about it until the article came out in the paper. I was not shocked, scared or appalled. Blacks killing Whites at random? Big deal, what else is new. At the time, about 99.9 percent of the criminals in San Francisco were black so what is so surprising.

    Detectives are not supposed to talk about investigations, but they do. I found out later the detectives investigating the killings were under strict orders to keep their mouths shut as the politicians wanted it kept out of the papers. I don't know why the liberal lunatic insanely pro black criminal anti police Chronicle and Examiner finally wrote about the killings.

    I do know why Mayor Alioto finally, finally decided to crack down and help the police stop the killings.

    The articles came out in the fall. Winter is a big tourist season in California because it's warm. The holidays are big money makers for restaurants. By the middle of November the hotels got cancellations including the big conventions as well as just rooms. The whole restaurant, theater, bar, club business just went way, way down. It was Christmas consumer orgy season. No one came to the city for Christmas shopping or to go to the Emporium Christmas carnival on the roof, concerts or anything. Bridge toll collection went down because no one came to the city for entertainment and shopping.

    So the financial powers that be put massive pressure on city government to let the police do their job.
    But Alioto and Scott didn't give the stop and question orders until Willie Brown, the most powerful black politician in California, speaker of the assembly gave his gracious permission.

    Most of the black men in the city didn't mind the stop and question thing. Probably because the liberal rabble rousing activists were under orders to just accept it and not cause a fuss. The papers didn't object as they usually did to any and all law enforcement against blacks.

    For once in the 20th century,the capitalists and business owners did something to help Whites and stop black crime. But it was only because their businesses collapsed because no one came to the city and those who lived in the city went home after work and stayed home.

    Now days most black muslims are recruited in state prison. But back then, there were a lot of outwardly respectable black muslims. They had no criminal records, high school and college degrees, they could read and write and type and learn. So they got a lot of city jobs and preformed OK. They were in every city department and helped the Zebra killers sending messages via the downtown mosque. One good thing about them was they hated Whites so much they refused to speak to us. So we didn't have to listen to their never ending chattering away.

    I was there during the Zebra murders.

    Wow! You remind me of Woody Allen’s Zelig character!

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    I was there, in the San Francisco City and County Hall of Justice, 850 Bryant. Top floor was the city jail in which the zebra killers were held during the trial. Then the court rooms in which they were arraigned, tried and convicted. Then Police Headquarters where the Homicide Bureau was quartered. The DA's office that prosecuted them

    To the west of 850 Bryant connected by a big parking lot is the morgue where the bodies were brought. The saddest body was the only John Doe, a White man around 35 to 40 who had been tortured for days before he was killed. He has never been identified. A good assumption is that he was a tourist traveling alone. PD and FBI used all the databases all over the country but didn't find him in the missing persons. A lot of foreign tourists come to San Francisco. He may have been from Canada, Australia or New Zealand.


    I was there. You were not.

    All you know is the liberal propaganda that fills your empty vessel of a brain.
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  • @Alden
    I only post things I know about.

    My uncle Harry was a lifelong FBI employee stationed in Washington DC. He was there during the Emmett Till killing and attempted or actual rape. At the time the entire FBI knew what happened. It's a qite different story from the media lies at the time that he only verbally harassed her.

    Emmett went for summer vacation with grandparents from Chicago. All he did was tell the other black boys how he raped White women in Chicago and got away with it. The parents of those boys didn't like Emmett's tales. The men knew it was probably just bragging. But who wants their boys associating with someone who brags about being a rapist?

    Emmet lay in wait outside the store after closing time and either raped or almost raped Mrs. Brady.
    That is why her husband and I believe 2 black men killed him. She never made it clear exactly how far the rape went as like most 1950's rape victims she was ashamed of it.

    She was 5'2 and weighted about 100 pds. He was 5'8 and weighed about 150. He had 6 inches and 50 pds on her. I stoped wrestling, fighting and playing touch football with the boys when I was 10. always hated it, but by the time they were 10 or 11 they may have been smaller than I, but I could tell they were getting male muscles.


    If you think tiny Carolyn Brady could have defended herself against the animal, why don't you try defending yourself against someone 50 pds and 6 inches bigger? Contrary to all the feminazi self defense and karate nonsense, the biggest problem short women have defending themselves against men is the difference in height, not weight so much. "Stick your car keys in his eyes" yeah right, when you're 5'3 and the assailant is 6 ft. You can't even reach his eyes if he stood still.

    It wasn't verbal harassment it was rape or almost rape. And why keep the animal alive? Credulous naive fools who believe the media believe the lies that youthful offenders or delinquents or whatever the current term is, at risk yute maybe?

    But their victims and police and prosecutors know that they continue their lives of crime until they are about 45, especially blacks.

    I only post things I know about.

    LOL!

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  • I was there during the Zebra murders. I worked just 2 floors away from the homicide detectives that found the. killers It was hushed up even in the department. I had my own concerns and I don’t believe I knew about it until the article came out in the paper. I was not shocked, scared or appalled. Blacks killing Whites at random? Big deal, what else is new. At the time, about 99.9 percent of the criminals in San Francisco were black so what is so surprising.

    Detectives are not supposed to talk about investigations, but they do. I found out later the detectives investigating the killings were under strict orders to keep their mouths shut as the politicians wanted it kept out of the papers. I don’t know why the liberal lunatic insanely pro black criminal anti police Chronicle and Examiner finally wrote about the killings.

    I do know why Mayor Alioto finally, finally decided to crack down and help the police stop the killings.

    The articles came out in the fall. Winter is a big tourist season in California because it’s warm. The holidays are big money makers for restaurants. By the middle of November the hotels got cancellations including the big conventions as well as just rooms. The whole restaurant, theater, bar, club business just went way, way down. It was Christmas consumer orgy season. No one came to the city for Christmas shopping or to go to the Emporium Christmas carnival on the roof, concerts or anything. Bridge toll collection went down because no one came to the city for entertainment and shopping.

    So the financial powers that be put massive pressure on city government to let the police do their job.
    But Alioto and Scott didn’t give the stop and question orders until Willie Brown, the most powerful black politician in California, speaker of the assembly gave his gracious permission.

    Most of the black men in the city didn’t mind the stop and question thing. Probably because the liberal rabble rousing activists were under orders to just accept it and not cause a fuss. The papers didn’t object as they usually did to any and all law enforcement against blacks.

    For once in the 20th century,the capitalists and business owners did something to help Whites and stop black crime. But it was only because their businesses collapsed because no one came to the city and those who lived in the city went home after work and stayed home.

    Now days most black muslims are recruited in state prison. But back then, there were a lot of outwardly respectable black muslims. They had no criminal records, high school and college degrees, they could read and write and type and learn. So they got a lot of city jobs and preformed OK. They were in every city department and helped the Zebra killers sending messages via the downtown mosque. One good thing about them was they hated Whites so much they refused to speak to us. So we didn’t have to listen to their never ending chattering away.

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    I was there during the Zebra murders.
     
    Wow! You remind me of Woody Allen's Zelig character!
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  • An interesting book about the Zebra murders is Zebra Murders; a season of killing and racial madness by Earl Sanders San Francisco’s. I read it. It was really a biography of Sanders and how much he hates Whites. Sanders only passed one written test, the entry level written test before affirmative action abolished merit hiring. he got detective without passing a test, then jumped to sergeant, and within a few years Chief. I think the racial madness in the title was to make it appear as though Whites were fighting back. And being scared about black assassins roaming the town.

    Sanders’ agent managed to get Brad Pitt’s production company, Plan B to buy the movie rights. It languished in development for a few years, but plan B eventually decided not to make a movie because no matter how it was tweaked, it was about blacks killing Whites. The book was basically Sanders hating Whites and bragging about his rise to chief.

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    Alden,

    Thanks for your informed comments, much appreciated. I read the Earl Sanders book a couple of years ago. Yes, it's mostly a lament of how much discrimination he supposedly received at a place he eventually was put in charge of.

    His "co-author," a screenwriter named Bennett Cohen, seized on Sanders as a hook for a film with this plot: "Heroic African-American detectives solve murder spree which white detectives could not. They did it while facing vicious racism inside the department. The killers were driven to it because of the same racism"

    In reality, the lead detectives, Gus Coreris and John Fotinos, did the major work cracking the case. Indeed, a close reading of the Cohen-Sanders work can't hide this fact.

    A web search a few years ago revealed the screenwriter for the Plan B project named Carnahan, said something like "The killers were pissed off by the same racism Earl Sanders encountered."

    But as you write, even this tweaking couldn't hide "it was about blacks killing whites."

    BTW, Jeffrey Toobin briefly mentioned the Zebra murders in his Patty Hearst book last year. In an interview during his book tour, Toobin said somebody needs to do another book on the Zebra murders "but it won't be me."
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  • Ron,

    Lou Calabro is a retired San Francisco Lieutenant who was there and knows a lot about the Zebra killings and the state wide black muslim killings of random Whites. He was on the road to Captain and probably deputy chief when Griggs vs Duke Power forbade merit hiring and promotion. He knows a lot about the only black police chief we had. Affirmative action put that moron in without any written test.

    I didn’t know Lou at the time but I worked in the hall of justice, 850 Bryant San Francisco 2 floors down from the police headquarters where the investigators on the Zebra case worked. Ray Batz is a retired fireman who knows a lot about how affirmative action worked.

    Speaking of affirmative action, SFPD and SFSD had to come up with a test that didn’t involve reading for cops and sheriffs. We were under ferocious affirmative action orders and Charles Garry, Faye Stender and the rest of the vicious commies were filing lawsuits monthly. As much as HR recruited blacks to take the first step, the written exam, all the blacks failed, year after year. And the physical fitness test was judged by black women officers who got in by merit by getting a reasonable score on the written exam.

    Anyway, the black women fitness examiners just failed every White Asian and Hispanic who showed up.

    So HR came up with a written test that could be taken by people who could read neither the questions nor the answers. The department made little films of a crime. A convenience store robbery. Then a recorded voice came on.

    ” The man in the red shirt had a beard” If true, circle the little dot in front of true. If false circle the little dot in front of false.”

    “The clerk was wearing what color shirt? There are 4 answers, white, blue, green or yellow. Fill in the dot in front of white, blue, green or yellow”

    “How many customers in the store? Fill in the dot in front of 3, 5, 4, 6. How many robbers? how many clerks?”

    Then on to another little crime scene video and another recording of the answers.

    The blacks still flunked so badly the department was never able to get a quota so according to Lou, it just dispensed with testing. Many California departments are now allowing non Whites with felony convictions to be hired as a way to exterminate the Whites. The departments are now dispenisng with the overweight requirements for hispanics.

    Here is how to get in touch with Lou and European American Issues Forum I tried google, but he and his organization has been banned as offensive so I looked at duckduckgo. He’s over 80. He lives in the Bay Area, in the East Bay.

    Lou Calabro, Adversity.Net Director
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    San Bruno, Ca.-Civil rights leader Lou Calabro of the European/American Issues Forum has learned that the US Department of Commerce (USPTO) has made a final ruling .

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  • @anonymous
    Most of these race legends fall apart when inspected closely. The woman in the Till case was apparently so agitated that she ran from her store, where the incident took place, to her vehicle to get the gun that was in it. Does that sound like only a 'wolf-whistle' was at issue? Her husband was later out looking for Till with the assistance of his friend JW Washington, a black man, which sort of takes the air out of the race angle.
    There's been a number of spinoffs from the cult ideology of the Zebra killers. Illinois had the De Mau Mau group who are known to have killed at least nine whites but who knows what the actual numbers are. Looking it up there's apparently a much larger number of these sorts of cases, some cult-like and others just crude hate killings. A person chronicling all of it would find it to be a full-time job.

    There is still a group in Florida that’s killing Whites. They call themselves something like God’s Avengers

    The black on White homicide rate is extremely high. It’s even higher when one realizes that os many Whites live in safe White suburbs and drive rather than take public transit with blacks to work.
    It is reasonable to suppose that blacks are heavily criminals and the high rate of them murdering Whites is jus robberies and rapes gone wrong.

    But maybe not. Especially as almost all black muslim converts come right out of the state prisons, not county jails.

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  • @Corvinus
    "I only post about things I know about. You should have read the first sentences. My uncle Harry worked for the FBI at the time of the killing. The FBI knew the truth and he told the family about it on his visits."

    The truth came out that Bryant lied, and that there were charges against her being mulled. That is the story in case you forgot.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-emmett-till-lie-glanton-20170130-column.html

    "My reference is an FBI employee who knew what really happened."

    Right, that two men took the law into their own hands.

    How naive and credulous you are to believe a newspaper article in a major Democrat half black city.

    Your brain is an empty sink. The tap is closed, the faucet is turned on and the empty vessel fills with liberal propaganda.

    PS typing* Emmet Till into the internet is not research. Hearing about the case from an FBI employee is a better way to find about the case than a liberal propaganda newspaper article you found on the internet.

    It seems to me you have no first hand knowledge of anything. You just keep repeating the same old same old liberal propaganda I learned was total lies 50 years ago.

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    "How naive and credulous you are to believe a newspaper article in a major Democrat half black city."

    There are dozens of articles on this story! Carolyn Bryant admitted herself she lied. Talk about being naive and credulous. So, if you are of the mindset that the story is other than accurate, you are going to have to offer specific proof.

    "PS typing* Emmet Till into the internet is not research."

    Actually, it is research. I linked to one of several stories to offer evidence that challenges your assertion. Your "uncle" may have thought he knew the entire story at the time of the murder, but there is new evidence that you must take into account. Besides, you would have to submit what exactly your relative knew in his own words about the "truth", rather than blindly tell the viewing audience that we ought to trust him.

    "You just keep repeating the same old same old liberal propaganda I learned was total lies 50 years ago."

    Do you understand that it was a RECENT revelation? Carolyn wrote that she fabricated the story. What she said 50 years ago is now irrelevant.

    Are you going to admit this fact?

    In addition, let’s focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

    And, finally, what about me challenging your assertion that you have read hundreds of thousands of history books? Are you going to address it or simply ignore it?
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    How naive and credulous you are to believe a newspaper article in a major Democrat half black city.
     
    Yeah, he should believe anonymous crank commenters on a website instead... that wouldn't be naive or credulous, I guess....
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  • @Anon
    KKK killing some blacks gets more coverage than White Westerners wiping out Indian tribes.

    I guess the difference is Blacks matter in America. Indians not so much.

    About 1 million Indians in what’s now the USA in 1600, about 3 million today. That’s not wiping out.

    Another anti White liberal cliche from an empty brain

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  • @Alden
    I only post about things I know about. You should have read the first sentences. My uncle Harry worked for the FBI at the time of the killing. The FBI knew the truth and he told the family about it on his visits.

    My reference is an FBI employee who knew what really happened.

    Who is her? My uncle Harry was a man.

    “I only post about things I know about. You should have read the first sentences. My uncle Harry worked for the FBI at the time of the killing. The FBI knew the truth and he told the family about it on his visits.”

    The truth came out that Bryant lied, and that there were charges against her being mulled. That is the story in case you forgot.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-emmett-till-lie-glanton-20170130-column.html

    “My reference is an FBI employee who knew what really happened.”

    Right, that two men took the law into their own hands.

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    How naive and credulous you are to believe a newspaper article in a major Democrat half black city.

    Your brain is an empty sink. The tap is closed, the faucet is turned on and the empty vessel fills with liberal propaganda.

    PS typing* Emmet Till into the internet is not research. Hearing about the case from an FBI employee is a better way to find about the case than a liberal propaganda newspaper article you found on the internet.

    It seems to me you have no first hand knowledge of anything. You just keep repeating the same old same old liberal propaganda I learned was total lies 50 years ago.
    , @Alden
    4 men, 2 White and 2 black. I think you're right, the woman he raped was Bryant, not Brady. But you are a liberal who read and believed "To kill a Mockingbird" and think that no black man every raped a White woman and think that all rape accusations against black men are false.

    Where did you grow up and where do you live; Great Neck, Little Neck, Five Towns, Highland Park, Skokie or some similar 100 percent White liberal Jewish empty vessel enclave that has never experienced black crime and thinks black crime is just a myth created by evil conservatives to put your beloved little black brothers in prison?
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  • @Alden
    At the time of his attempted or completed rape and murder, Till’s mother was at home in Chicago and Till was in the south spending the summer in his grandparent’s home hundreds of miles away.

    How could his Mother have been involved?

    “At the time of his attempted or completed rape and murder…”

    Again, it was not Mrs. Brady, but Carolyn Bryant. And she even admitted that she lied about the incident.

    Are you going to admit this fact?

    In addition, let’s focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

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  • @Alden
    I read fast. Don’t like TV

    “I read fast. Don’t like TV.”

    Let us take a stroll down memory lane. One could assume that besides history books, you have read non-history books. I gather you are retired. So, for fun, let us assume that you are 80 years old AND you began reading at age 4 since you were a prodigy. 76 x 365 = 27740 days of your life. Let us now assume you read 200000 HISTORY books, since that was YOUR claim that you read hundreds of thousands of those materials. 200000 divided by 27740 = 7.20. So, your average number of books a day is 7.

    Considering that the average number of books people read over the course of a year is 12…

    For the sake of argument, let us say the books you read averaged 100 pages, which would be on the low end. That would be 700 pages to read in a day. Consider that the average reading speed is 200-250 words a minute for non-technical material, (roughly 2 minutes per page). But assuming you were that prodigy, I will grant you for non-technical AND technical material, you would average 1 page in two minutes and meaningfully comprehend the information. That would mean 30 pages in 60 minutes/1 hour.

    Do you see where the math is leading us? Had you stated that you read thousands of history books in your lifetime, while highly unlikely, at least this possibility is more digestible than your claim of reading hundreds of thousands of history books.

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    But I'm not an average reader. i can even read when I'm cooking. And I read about 130 pages an hour. Is that fast? Slow? Who cares?


    Why do you care? Go start an argument with someone else, preferably in person with someone big, strong and mean

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  • @AMM
    I read Ron's original piece in the American Pravda series, and I must say, that one sentence describing Till as having a "violent history" seems to be an error when considering his overall strategy. It omits the detail that Till was violent, but that he also *might* have been trying to protect his mother. Therefor, in that one sentence, you wonder whether or not Unz is hiding other facts in order to further his own agenda. And that is not something you want your readers wondering if you are going to fight a battle of credibility with the larger media organizations.

    However, the point about Till was minor with respect to the overall theme of this article, and I do not think it was too costly. Everybody makes mistakes, and the point wasn't to conclude that Till was definitely guilty, but rather to conclude that there could be another explanation for the story. The article was still very interesting and made some good points, allowing the reader to draw some of his own conclusions based on the analysis.

    At the time of his attempted or completed rape and murder, Till’s mother was at home in Chicago and Till was in the south spending the summer in his grandparent’s home hundreds of miles away.

    How could his Mother have been involved?

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    "At the time of his attempted or completed rape and murder..."

    Again, it was not Mrs. Brady, but Carolyn Bryant. And she even admitted that she lied about the incident.

    Are you going to admit this fact?

    In addition, let’s focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?
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  • @Grandpa Charlie
    Suppose, just suppose, that Charles Manson and associates were found guilty solely on the basis of circumstantial and irrelevant evidence. The prosecution claimed that evidence that pointed toward Black criminals/addicts as the perps looked that way because Manson planted it in order to bring on the 'Helter Skelter' race war, but suppose -- just suppose -- that evidence pointed toward Black perps because the Tate-LaBianca murders were in fact done by Black criminals/drug addicts.

    How many homicidal home invasions in Los Angeles took place in 1969? How many homicides that perhaps could have been home invasions were written off as unsolved, end of story?

    Did Manson and associates really receive a fair trial? Is testimony based on depriving a young nursing mother in jail of a recently born child ... can that confession -- without which the case against Manson might have been dismissed -- be considered reliable? Was it even admissible?

    How credible was the case against Manson? Did Bugliosi profit from the convictions?

    There were probably some home invasions resulting in murder in Los Angekes that year. But they wrote all over the walls in blood. Plus they murdered 4 people at the Tate house and Tate was 9 months pregnant.if they had just killed the LaBiancas it wouldn’t have become the sensation it did. But they wrote on the walls with blood. And Sharon Tate was a 9 month pregnant movie star.

    I didn’t know one of the cult members had a newborn. But the newborn would not have been taken away to induce her to testify. She was in the city jail where they stay awaiting trial. The baby would have been placed with relatives or foster parents when mother and baby were ready to leave the hospital.

    A jury, not Bugliosi found them guilty.

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  • @Corvinus
    Sir, she has made it known to me on more than one occasion that she has accomplished that feat, so call me skeptical of her typo in this incident, especially since I have asked for clarification on the matter and have yet to receive a response.

    I read fast. Don’t like TV

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    "I read fast. Don’t like TV."

    Let us take a stroll down memory lane. One could assume that besides history books, you have read non-history books. I gather you are retired. So, for fun, let us assume that you are 80 years old AND you began reading at age 4 since you were a prodigy. 76 x 365 = 27740 days of your life. Let us now assume you read 200000 HISTORY books, since that was YOUR claim that you read hundreds of thousands of those materials. 200000 divided by 27740 = 7.20. So, your average number of books a day is 7.

    Considering that the average number of books people read over the course of a year is 12…

    For the sake of argument, let us say the books you read averaged 100 pages, which would be on the low end. That would be 700 pages to read in a day. Consider that the average reading speed is 200-250 words a minute for non-technical material, (roughly 2 minutes per page). But assuming you were that prodigy, I will grant you for non-technical AND technical material, you would average 1 page in two minutes and meaningfully comprehend the information. That would mean 30 pages in 60 minutes/1 hour.

    Do you see where the math is leading us? Had you stated that you read thousands of history books in your lifetime, while highly unlikely, at least this possibility is more digestible than your claim of reading hundreds of thousands of history books.

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  • @Ron Unz
    I just read a long article in my morning NYT about the severe backlash Trump is experiencing from his own erstwhile supporters among black Republicans. It contained the following fascinating sentence:

    Many black Republicans and their families have personally experienced racism — and in some cases witnessed violence perpetrated by the Ku Klux Klan and other supremacist groups that lynched thousands of people, beat and murdered civil rights marchers, and supported segregationist policies that held African-Americans back.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/politics/trump-black-republicans-moral-dilemma-charlottesville.html

    Offhand, it sounds like "thousands" of blacks in recent decades have been lynched by the KKK, and yet I have never found any previous mention of these horrific atrocities either in the MSM or in Wikipedia.

    Shame, shame on the MSM for covering up all these terrible KKK massacres...

    If black Republicans are victims of the KKK they must all be between 120 and 90 years old.

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  • @Corvinus
    Hey, Alden, did you tell her about the hundreds of thousands of books that you allegedly read?

    And as far talking about what you know, on this matter you have no clue what you are talking about.

    "Emmett went for summer vacation with grandparents from Chicago. All he did was tell the other black boys how he raped White women in Chicago and got away with it."

    Where is your source as evidence that he actually made that boast to his friends?

    "That is why her husband and I believe 2 black men killed him."

    No, it was her husband and his half-brother were put on trial. No black men were even associated with the murdering of Till.

    "Emmet lay in wait outside the store after closing time and either raped or almost raped Mrs. Brady."

    Not Mrs. Brady, Carolyn Bryant. And she even admitted that she lied about the incident.

    http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/journeytojustice/2017/02/06/could-lies-about-emmett-till-be-prosecuted/97557668/

    Now, let's focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

    I only post about things I know about. You should have read the first sentences. My uncle Harry worked for the FBI at the time of the killing. The FBI knew the truth and he told the family about it on his visits.

    My reference is an FBI employee who knew what really happened.

    Who is her? My uncle Harry was a man.

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    "I only post about things I know about. You should have read the first sentences. My uncle Harry worked for the FBI at the time of the killing. The FBI knew the truth and he told the family about it on his visits."

    The truth came out that Bryant lied, and that there were charges against her being mulled. That is the story in case you forgot.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/glanton/ct-emmett-till-lie-glanton-20170130-column.html

    "My reference is an FBI employee who knew what really happened."

    Right, that two men took the law into their own hands.
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  • Suppose, just suppose, that Charles Manson and associates were found guilty solely on the basis of circumstantial and irrelevant evidence. The prosecution claimed that evidence that pointed toward Black criminals/addicts as the perps looked that way because Manson planted it in order to bring on the ‘Helter Skelter’ race war, but suppose — just suppose — that evidence pointed toward Black perps because the Tate-LaBianca murders were in fact done by Black criminals/drug addicts.

    How many homicidal home invasions in Los Angeles took place in 1969? How many homicides that perhaps could have been home invasions were written off as unsolved, end of story?

    Did Manson and associates really receive a fair trial? Is testimony based on depriving a young nursing mother in jail of a recently born child … can that confession — without which the case against Manson might have been dismissed — be considered reliable? Was it even admissible?

    How credible was the case against Manson? Did Bugliosi profit from the convictions?

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    There were probably some home invasions resulting in murder in Los Angekes that year. But they wrote all over the walls in blood. Plus they murdered 4 people at the Tate house and Tate was 9 months pregnant.if they had just killed the LaBiancas it wouldn’t have become the sensation it did. But they wrote on the walls with blood. And Sharon Tate was a 9 month pregnant movie star.

    I didn’t know one of the cult members had a newborn. But the newborn would not have been taken away to induce her to testify. She was in the city jail where they stay awaiting trial. The baby would have been placed with relatives or foster parents when mother and baby were ready to leave the hospital.

    A jury, not Bugliosi found them guilty.

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  • The media reaction to the death of Charles Manson reminds us of the difference in the attention given to the Manson murders versus the so-called Zebra Killings.

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  • @Ron Unz

    Hey, Alden, did you tell her about the hundreds of thousands of books that you allegedly read?
     
    Well, I can't assess the particular issue under dispute. But offhand, "Alden" seems like a particularly knowledgeable and level-headed commenter on lots of issues.

    However, I think she's also mentioned that she's quite elderly, and if she actually once claimed to have read "hundreds of thousands of books," are you so sure it wasn't just a (very minor) typo for "hundreds or thousands of books"? I've occasionally made typos myself, and I suspect even you may have done the same...

    Sir, she has made it known to me on more than one occasion that she has accomplished that feat, so call me skeptical of her typo in this incident, especially since I have asked for clarification on the matter and have yet to receive a response.

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    I read fast. Don’t like TV
    , @Anon
    Hey Corvy, did you ever square that your Christianity, which is so strict that it forbids even the use of sarcasm, allows you to try to "emasculate" other commenters?
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  • @Corvinus
    Hey, Alden, did you tell her about the hundreds of thousands of books that you allegedly read?

    And as far talking about what you know, on this matter you have no clue what you are talking about.

    "Emmett went for summer vacation with grandparents from Chicago. All he did was tell the other black boys how he raped White women in Chicago and got away with it."

    Where is your source as evidence that he actually made that boast to his friends?

    "That is why her husband and I believe 2 black men killed him."

    No, it was her husband and his half-brother were put on trial. No black men were even associated with the murdering of Till.

    "Emmet lay in wait outside the store after closing time and either raped or almost raped Mrs. Brady."

    Not Mrs. Brady, Carolyn Bryant. And she even admitted that she lied about the incident.

    http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/journeytojustice/2017/02/06/could-lies-about-emmett-till-be-prosecuted/97557668/

    Now, let's focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

    Hey, Alden, did you tell her about the hundreds of thousands of books that you allegedly read?

    Well, I can’t assess the particular issue under dispute. But offhand, “Alden” seems like a particularly knowledgeable and level-headed commenter on lots of issues.

    However, I think she’s also mentioned that she’s quite elderly, and if she actually once claimed to have read “hundreds of thousands of books,” are you so sure it wasn’t just a (very minor) typo for “hundreds or thousands of books”? I’ve occasionally made typos myself, and I suspect even you may have done the same…

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    Sir, she has made it known to me on more than one occasion that she has accomplished that feat, so call me skeptical of her typo in this incident, especially since I have asked for clarification on the matter and have yet to receive a response.
    , @Alden
    Thank you.
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  • @Alden
    I only post things I know about.

    My uncle Harry was a lifelong FBI employee stationed in Washington DC. He was there during the Emmett Till killing and attempted or actual rape. At the time the entire FBI knew what happened. It's a qite different story from the media lies at the time that he only verbally harassed her.

    Emmett went for summer vacation with grandparents from Chicago. All he did was tell the other black boys how he raped White women in Chicago and got away with it. The parents of those boys didn't like Emmett's tales. The men knew it was probably just bragging. But who wants their boys associating with someone who brags about being a rapist?

    Emmet lay in wait outside the store after closing time and either raped or almost raped Mrs. Brady.
    That is why her husband and I believe 2 black men killed him. She never made it clear exactly how far the rape went as like most 1950's rape victims she was ashamed of it.

    She was 5'2 and weighted about 100 pds. He was 5'8 and weighed about 150. He had 6 inches and 50 pds on her. I stoped wrestling, fighting and playing touch football with the boys when I was 10. always hated it, but by the time they were 10 or 11 they may have been smaller than I, but I could tell they were getting male muscles.


    If you think tiny Carolyn Brady could have defended herself against the animal, why don't you try defending yourself against someone 50 pds and 6 inches bigger? Contrary to all the feminazi self defense and karate nonsense, the biggest problem short women have defending themselves against men is the difference in height, not weight so much. "Stick your car keys in his eyes" yeah right, when you're 5'3 and the assailant is 6 ft. You can't even reach his eyes if he stood still.

    It wasn't verbal harassment it was rape or almost rape. And why keep the animal alive? Credulous naive fools who believe the media believe the lies that youthful offenders or delinquents or whatever the current term is, at risk yute maybe?

    But their victims and police and prosecutors know that they continue their lives of crime until they are about 45, especially blacks.

    Hey, Alden, did you tell her about the hundreds of thousands of books that you allegedly read?

    And as far talking about what you know, on this matter you have no clue what you are talking about.

    “Emmett went for summer vacation with grandparents from Chicago. All he did was tell the other black boys how he raped White women in Chicago and got away with it.”

    Where is your source as evidence that he actually made that boast to his friends?

    “That is why her husband and I believe 2 black men killed him.”

    No, it was her husband and his half-brother were put on trial. No black men were even associated with the murdering of Till.

    “Emmet lay in wait outside the store after closing time and either raped or almost raped Mrs. Brady.”

    Not Mrs. Brady, Carolyn Bryant. And she even admitted that she lied about the incident.

    http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/journeytojustice/2017/02/06/could-lies-about-emmett-till-be-prosecuted/97557668/

    Now, let’s focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?

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    Hey, Alden, did you tell her about the hundreds of thousands of books that you allegedly read?
     
    Well, I can't assess the particular issue under dispute. But offhand, "Alden" seems like a particularly knowledgeable and level-headed commenter on lots of issues.

    However, I think she's also mentioned that she's quite elderly, and if she actually once claimed to have read "hundreds of thousands of books," are you so sure it wasn't just a (very minor) typo for "hundreds or thousands of books"? I've occasionally made typos myself, and I suspect even you may have done the same...

    , @Alden
    I only post about things I know about. You should have read the first sentences. My uncle Harry worked for the FBI at the time of the killing. The FBI knew the truth and he told the family about it on his visits.

    My reference is an FBI employee who knew what really happened.

    Who is her? My uncle Harry was a man.

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  • @Gail
    Ron Unz disappoints me in this article, he's supposed to be so smart and rational but the level of irrationality displayed in some parts of this article is stunning and so disappointing. Let me just pick one example to dissect, here's an excerpt from the article:

    "There was enormous national media coverage of the Till murder, which uniformly reported that the black fourteen-year-old child had merely made rude and provocative remarks to the young wife of a white shopkeeper—a “Wolf whistle”—leading to his abduction and brutal killing. Yet oddly enough, only long afterward did it emerge out that his father, a violent criminal, had been executed for multiple rapes and murder, and that Till himself, weighing 150 pounds and quite large and muscular for his age, also had a violent history"

    So in the first part of the statement, Unz makes it sound like the media downplayed the severity of Till's offense towards the white lady, but then he gives no evidence of what the supposedly more serious offense was. He points out Till's father was a convicted murderer. Unz doesn't mention that his dad was put to death in 1945, when Emmett was 4 years old. Exactly how much influence could his murdering/rapist dad have had on him? And HOW is that relevant to Emmett Till's case?? Unz also points out Emmett was a large, scary 150 lb beast - lol, last time I checked, 150 lb is not big, I'm 180 lb and I wouldn't be considered scary by a long shot. Unz also points out he had a violent history, without providing details or explaining how any of that is relevant to his encounter with the white woman. Besides, if even all these things were true, it's still hard to argue that being lynched and murdered is a justifiable and understandable punishment for verbally harassing someone.

    I only post things I know about.

    My uncle Harry was a lifelong FBI employee stationed in Washington DC. He was there during the Emmett Till killing and attempted or actual rape. At the time the entire FBI knew what happened. It’s a qite different story from the media lies at the time that he only verbally harassed her.

    Emmett went for summer vacation with grandparents from Chicago. All he did was tell the other black boys how he raped White women in Chicago and got away with it. The parents of those boys didn’t like Emmett’s tales. The men knew it was probably just bragging. But who wants their boys associating with someone who brags about being a rapist?

    Emmet lay in wait outside the store after closing time and either raped or almost raped Mrs. Brady.
    That is why her husband and I believe 2 black men killed him. She never made it clear exactly how far the rape went as like most 1950′s rape victims she was ashamed of it.

    She was 5’2 and weighted about 100 pds. He was 5’8 and weighed about 150. He had 6 inches and 50 pds on her. I stoped wrestling, fighting and playing touch football with the boys when I was 10. always hated it, but by the time they were 10 or 11 they may have been smaller than I, but I could tell they were getting male muscles.

    If you think tiny Carolyn Brady could have defended herself against the animal, why don’t you try defending yourself against someone 50 pds and 6 inches bigger? Contrary to all the feminazi self defense and karate nonsense, the biggest problem short women have defending themselves against men is the difference in height, not weight so much. “Stick your car keys in his eyes” yeah right, when you’re 5’3 and the assailant is 6 ft. You can’t even reach his eyes if he stood still.

    It wasn’t verbal harassment it was rape or almost rape. And why keep the animal alive? Credulous naive fools who believe the media believe the lies that youthful offenders or delinquents or whatever the current term is, at risk yute maybe?

    But their victims and police and prosecutors know that they continue their lives of crime until they are about 45, especially blacks.

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    Hey, Alden, did you tell her about the hundreds of thousands of books that you allegedly read?

    And as far talking about what you know, on this matter you have no clue what you are talking about.

    "Emmett went for summer vacation with grandparents from Chicago. All he did was tell the other black boys how he raped White women in Chicago and got away with it."

    Where is your source as evidence that he actually made that boast to his friends?

    "That is why her husband and I believe 2 black men killed him."

    No, it was her husband and his half-brother were put on trial. No black men were even associated with the murdering of Till.

    "Emmet lay in wait outside the store after closing time and either raped or almost raped Mrs. Brady."

    Not Mrs. Brady, Carolyn Bryant. And she even admitted that she lied about the incident.

    http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/journeytojustice/2017/02/06/could-lies-about-emmett-till-be-prosecuted/97557668/

    Now, let's focus on the actions of the two men, who clearly took the law into their own hands. Should they not have notified law enforcement of this apparent transgression rather than butcher someone?
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    I only post things I know about.
     
    LOL!
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  • KKK killing some blacks gets more coverage than White Westerners wiping out Indian tribes.

    I guess the difference is Blacks matter in America. Indians not so much.

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    About 1 million Indians in what’s now the USA in 1600, about 3 million today. That’s not wiping out.

    Another anti White liberal cliche from an empty brain
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    A fact does not have to known or verified by anyone to be a fact.
     
    Uhh, no, you're simply wrong. A fact is supposed to be verifiable. Typically, it means a statement that no reasonable person would care to dispute, along the lines of "Paris is the capital of France."

    I could tell you that I had bread and cheese for breakfast. It so happens that this is true, but it is not a fact because nobody has any way of verifying it.

    This exemplifies a key problem there is in so much of what passes for debate on this and other sites. People don't understand the difference between facts and storytelling -- telling unverifiable stories.

    Facts are what are the case. Full stop.

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  • @Bob Johnson
    I usually love Unz's articles, but this one has some very disagreeable material. While you are right about michael brown robbing the store owner, nothing suggests trayvon martin was in the wrong for attacking zimmerman. Imagine being stalked, walking home from a grocery store, by a creepy, violent, armed man. By following Martin in the first place, after he was told not to by 911, zimmerman was the aggressor. Nothing suggests emmet till sexually harassed anyone, even if his dad was a rapist

    On the Klan, an interesting angle might be it's collaboration-during the progressive era-with the US government. The Klan had a lot of cross membership with the ultrapatriotic, WASP supremacist, pro-war American Protective League. The Klan enthusiastically supported ww1, prohibition, public education, eugenics, and other programs of the political establishment. An article on the klan's pro-ww1 activites, and it's alliance with woodrow wilson's blackshirts, the APL, would be interesting.

    “…By following Martin in the first place, after he was told not to by 911, zimmerman was the aggressor…”

    I so happy to hear this. From now on if Negros are following me at night I will feel entirely comfortable in pounding their heads into concrete and resting easy that I did the right thing.

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  • @Ben Frank
    The peak year for USA lynching was in 1892 when 161 black people were killed.

    Compare the entire USA then with a single city - Baltimore or Detroit now where about twice that are murdered each year.

    That’s a good point, but one would want to adjust those figures to be per capita, and ideally per capita by state, region and city. (I think it would still easily stand, just that a leftist might say “oh well that’s just an illusion based on population size” and avoid addressing it.)

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  • The peak year for USA lynching was in 1892 when 161 black people were killed.

    Compare the entire USA then with a single city – Baltimore or Detroit now where about twice that are murdered each year.

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    That's a good point, but one would want to adjust those figures to be per capita, and ideally per capita by state, region and city. (I think it would still easily stand, just that a leftist might say "oh well that's just an illusion based on population size" and avoid addressing it.)
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  • @Jim Bob Lassiter
    In much the same fashion the Klan actually devoted most of its efforts to paying a night time "spiritual adjustment" visit to some white trash guy who was pissing his money away on booze, card games and whores while his wife and children went barefoot and hungry, Bob Johnson is in desperate need of an unexpected nocturnal visit.

    Indeed. In the Deep South Klan members paid far more spiritual adjustments visits to white trash men who abused family members, than to black folks who, as a rule avoided committing acts that might to invite their attention.

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  • @Anonymous
    The white iSteve crowd here will probably take from this article "Why is the white man always being targeted etc etc."

    But those whites, and apparently not Unz himself, care to dig deeper and find out why this is the case. What group would benefit from this arrangement?

    Why keep antogonizing blacks and why keep blaming white people? Just look at who actually started the KKK. It was a Jew who started it to trap all those angry white iSteve types into hating blacks and to serve their role in creating a boogeyman the elites could use.

    EXACTLY!!!!!!!

    So tired of the hate put on those who are just pawns in the game of destroying the west.

    Time and again, when you look past the obvious narrative, you see the Zionist Jew working pulling the strings.

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  • [Select a single Handle and stick with it, or use Anonymous/Anon. Otherwise your comments may be trashed.]

    The real, underlying question that arises out of this article is: Why is it, considering the financial resources of right wing voters in the United States, we have so far been unwilling to support not just our own TV channel but even a large-well funded, investigative website like Glen Greenwalt’s “comparatively unbiased” The Intercept, which is sponsored by the left wing founder of Paypal.

    I cherish Russia Today TV because it is simply the only source of “relatively” unbiased real news in the entire MSM. RT, unfortunately, also has its own national interests to pursue.

    On the other hand, I strongly distrust the very popular Breitbart.com because its main underlying emphasis has always been to promote the interests of Israel by superficially appealing to right wing voters. In this regard, it is very similar to Drudge.com (which recently has made a noticeable turn to the left).

    This underlying emphasis will be clearly displayed during Breitbart chairman Steves Bannon’s upcoming speech before the rabidly pro Israel Zionist Organization of American His main topic for this speech will , undoubtedly, advocate American attacks on both Syria and Iran. I predict the speech will be truly cringe worthy.

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  • @englishmike

    Like was there a deliberate agenda for the total extermination of the Jewish race or not?
     
    It's not a subject that I've researched; but your question reminded me of a compelling TV movie titled "Conspiracy" which dramatized the 1942 Wannsee Conference responsible for planning the Final Solution. It was released in 2001, and I watched the BBC TV premiere but I don't think it's had a repeat showing . Produced jointly by HBO and the BBC, it starred Kenneth Branagh as Reinhard Heydrich, the conference chairman, and Stanley Tucci as Adolf Eichmann.

    There was also a TV movie which I haven't seen - "The Final Solution: the Wannsee Conference" (1984) - which also presents a dramatized reconstruction (German cast, writer and director, so might be subtitled). It is billed as "a real time recreation of the 1942 Wannsee Conference, in which leading SS and Nazi Party officials gathered to discuss the Final Solution to the Jewish Question. Led by SS-General Reinhard Heydrich, the Wannsee Conference was the starting point for the Jewish Holocaust which led to the mass murder of six million people".

    This German movie is apparently based on the actual minutes of the conference. I'm not sure if the same is true of the HBO/BBC version.

    Both appear to be available at amazon.com.

    Both are based on the minutes but these are a thin skin for TV programmes of some length, and both shows pad the dramatisation out with a lot of extraneous material not found in the minutes or later recollections. The German dramatisation, for example, finds room for a mention of Husseini, the Palestinian religious leader. With Israeli troops still in Lebanon in the early 1980s, perhaps this reflected a perceived need to link Nazis to Palestinians. The British dramatisation of 2001 contained no such mention.

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  • @Ilyana Rozumova
    BTW

    Soviet main newspaper ......Trud (Work)
    Czech main newspaper........Pravda (Truth)

    In Soviet bloc times, Trud was the official daily of the Soviet trade unions. Pravda was the main Soviet Communist Party daily.
    There was a newspaper called Pravda in Czechoslovakia, but I believe it was the daily of the Communist Party of Slovakia. The Czech party daily was Rude Pravo.

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  • @Authenticjazzman
    Yeah we dumb, crude American rednecks, know that you Germans are always right about everything.
    This is the origin of the expression : "deutscher Besserwisser", for which Germans are famous world-wide.

    " Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen"

    Speaking of racism : You apparently have forgotten your own recent german history.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army Vet, and pro jazz musician.

    I am not German, although my byline, “Uebersetzer”, is German for “translator”, and I do a lot of translating. I do find it interesting that despite your Mensa membership and presumably high IQ, you made an untenable assumption about me.
    There are also Unz commentators who assume people are Jewish on the basis of what they write, but at least they make no claims of high IQs for themselves.

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  • @Ron Unz

    but it appears Emmet may have actually been protecting his mother from some sort of threat from the step father.
     
    That's absolutely correct. I wasn't there to witness the scene, and indeed it occurred many years before I was even born.

    However, it seems virtually certain that the only surviving account of the incident came from Till's own mother, likely given after his "martydom." So I hardly think she spun it in a negative direction. To my mind, 11-year-olds who threaten to kill their stepfathers with butcher-knives seem to have "violent" tendencies, but obviously opinions may differ.

    Anyway, a casual reference to Emmett Till aside, the central theme of my article was the utter dishonesty of the media, as demonstrated by their having totally "disappeared" the greatest wave of organized racial killings in America during the last one hundred years. Since I knew very little about the Till case, I casually Googled it while writing the article, and accounts of Till's violent behavior came out right at the top. Now Google has almost totally "disappeared" those as well, which simply reinforces my central media theme, adding a 1984-ish spin.

    But regarding the Till case, let's consider a thought-experiment involving the recent Charlottesville incident. Prior to the existence of the Internet, our MSM held a near-total monopoly on the distribution of information, and their uniform current reporting has been along the lines of a headline "Vicious Neo-Nazi Terrorists Attack Peaceful Anti-Racist Protesters in Charlottesville, Kill One." So fifty or sixty years ago, that would have been the only story we heard, afterwards congealing in the ideologically-allied mainstream history books. And except for contrary rumors or suspicions among fringe elements, that would have been that.

    To the extent that readers here are quite skeptical of the current MSM account of Charlottesville, perhaps they should be similarly suspicious of the official account of the Till case from before the Internet came along...
     
     
     

    “Anyway, a casual reference to Emmett Till aside, the central theme of my article was the utter dishonesty of the media, as demonstrated by their having totally ‘disappeared’ the greatest wave of organized racial killings in America during the last one hundred years.”

    The cowardly and hypocritical politicians along with the so-called “anti-racists” have never said a word about it. Not a word.

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  • @Rurik

    Jewish out-marriage rates
     
    Now Sam, the post you responded to had some interesting musings on what Jews are taught vis-a-vis the Holocaust. In particular, are Jew generally taught that everything that was claimed was all the God's honest gospel?

    Now rather than talk about assimilation rates, and perhaps that too is an interesting subject, what I'd be curious about is what is taught in the yeshivas and synagogues. Are Jews generally taught that the whole narrative of the Holocaust was all true, every bit of it?

    The lampshades, the shrunken heads, the human soap factories? Indeed, there were some pretty outlandish claims that were made about geysers of blood shooting into the air where the Nazis were tossing babies out of lories onto bomb fires. There were specially trained eagles and bears that were used to kill Jews, and so forth.

    How much of this stuff is taught in the Jewish communities and schools and so forth as gospel fact, and how much is sort of just dismissed?

    Being as you're Jewish and were raised so, you could shed some fascinating light on all of that, I would think, no? (And I am asking sincerely and with all due respect Sam).

    The lampshades, the shrunken heads, the human soap factories? Indeed, there were some pretty outlandish claims that were made about geysers of blood shooting into the air where the Nazis were tossing babies out of lories onto bomb fires. There were specially trained eagles and bears that were used to kill Jews, and so forth.

    I must say, I really only ever hear/have heard the specific claim about “lampshades and soap” by people denying/mocking the idea of/revising the Nazi Holocaust, which is rather bizarre given how frequently denialists bring it up. In my fairly typical public school education, in which the events and moral implications of the Holocaust were discussed at various points, I don’t recall the claim “Jews were turned into lampshades and soap” even being made, let alone being a central part of the mainstream narrative. While I haven’t read that much about the Holocaust specifically, I’ve read a fair number of books by well-respected historians like Ian Kershaw and Timothy Snyder on that era in European history that partially cover the Holocaust, and more general works of non-fiction by authors like Steven Pinker that touch on it in some broader context, and perhaps they mentioned the “lampshades and soap” thing in passing, but if so it was such a tiny part of their writings that it escaped my notice.

    And yet, whenever I see a comment/tweet/video by a self-described historical revisionist, it invariably makes a sarcastic reference to the idea that some of the European Jews forced into concentration camps by the Nazis were turned into lampshades and soap, as if in every mainstream discussion of the Holocaust this was a central point.

    A cursory Google search seems to confirm my intuitions here: apparently, the Yad Vashem Memorial has declared that industrial scale human soap production is unfounded myth, and an article from the Jewish Virtual Library is self-explainingly titled “the Soap Myth.” If Wikipedia can be believed, the consensus among mainstream Holocaust historians is that this was a World War 2 rumor that proved to be unfounded.

    And yet there must be 10,000 internet comments about “soap and lampshades”, as if disputing these claims is some huge coup against the mainstream narrative!

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  • @Rurik



    How much of this stuff is taught in the Jewish communities and schools and so forth as gospel fact, and how much is sort of just dismissed?
     
    I have never come across any of these nor are they taught in jewish sunday schools. Of course the Holocaust is discussed as a great tragedy that the Jewish people endured.
     
    thanks Sam

    I'm surprised they don't speak of specifics. Like was there a deliberate agenda for the total extermination of the Jewish race or not? Were their actual homicidal gas chambers? Did they actually have swimming pools and conduct orchestras and plays as Auschwitz? If I were Jewish, I would think I'd be curious about such things. But then I'm not Jewish (or German), so I suppose my interest is more academic.

    thanks for the reply

    Like was there a deliberate agenda for the total extermination of the Jewish race or not?

    It’s not a subject that I’ve researched; but your question reminded me of a compelling TV movie titled “Conspiracy” which dramatized the 1942 Wannsee Conference responsible for planning the Final Solution. It was released in 2001, and I watched the BBC TV premiere but I don’t think it’s had a repeat showing . Produced jointly by HBO and the BBC, it starred Kenneth Branagh as Reinhard Heydrich, the conference chairman, and Stanley Tucci as Adolf Eichmann.

    There was also a TV movie which I haven’t seen – “The Final Solution: the Wannsee Conference” (1984) – which also presents a dramatized reconstruction (German cast, writer and director, so might be subtitled). It is billed as “a real time recreation of the 1942 Wannsee Conference, in which leading SS and Nazi Party officials gathered to discuss the Final Solution to the Jewish Question. Led by SS-General Reinhard Heydrich, the Wannsee Conference was the starting point for the Jewish Holocaust which led to the mass murder of six million people”.

    This German movie is apparently based on the actual minutes of the conference. I’m not sure if the same is true of the HBO/BBC version.

    Both appear to be available at amazon.com.

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    Both are based on the minutes but these are a thin skin for TV programmes of some length, and both shows pad the dramatisation out with a lot of extraneous material not found in the minutes or later recollections. The German dramatisation, for example, finds room for a mention of Husseini, the Palestinian religious leader. With Israeli troops still in Lebanon in the early 1980s, perhaps this reflected a perceived need to link Nazis to Palestinians. The British dramatisation of 2001 contained no such mention.
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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    A fact does not have to known or verified by anyone to be a fact.
     
    Uhh, no, you're simply wrong. A fact is supposed to be verifiable. Typically, it means a statement that no reasonable person would care to dispute, along the lines of "Paris is the capital of France."

    I could tell you that I had bread and cheese for breakfast. It so happens that this is true, but it is not a fact because nobody has any way of verifying it.

    This exemplifies a key problem there is in so much of what passes for debate on this and other sites. People don't understand the difference between facts and storytelling -- telling unverifiable stories.

    Now add in Just-So Stories. Facts are so 20th century and look how fast that is changing.

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  • @MBlanc46
    That's bad epistemology. A fact is something that is the case. A fact does not have to known or verified by anyone to be a fact. There were facts before there were humans around to be aware of them and there will be facts long after humans have left the scene.

    A fact does not have to known or verified by anyone to be a fact.

    Uhh, no, you’re simply wrong. A fact is supposed to be verifiable. Typically, it means a statement that no reasonable person would care to dispute, along the lines of “Paris is the capital of France.”

    I could tell you that I had bread and cheese for breakfast. It so happens that this is true, but it is not a fact because nobody has any way of verifying it.

    This exemplifies a key problem there is in so much of what passes for debate on this and other sites. People don’t understand the difference between facts and storytelling — telling unverifiable stories.

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    Now add in Just-So Stories. Facts are so 20th century and look how fast that is changing.
    , @MBlanc46
    Facts are what are the case. Full stop.
    , @Alden
    Who are you to demand proof of what comments are made? Do you think you are God or King of the world or something?

    Why not just "research" the meaning of the word fact instead of using the word to start an argument.

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  • @Bob Johnson
    I usually love Unz's articles, but this one has some very disagreeable material. While you are right about michael brown robbing the store owner, nothing suggests trayvon martin was in the wrong for attacking zimmerman. Imagine being stalked, walking home from a grocery store, by a creepy, violent, armed man. By following Martin in the first place, after he was told not to by 911, zimmerman was the aggressor. Nothing suggests emmet till sexually harassed anyone, even if his dad was a rapist

    On the Klan, an interesting angle might be it's collaboration-during the progressive era-with the US government. The Klan had a lot of cross membership with the ultrapatriotic, WASP supremacist, pro-war American Protective League. The Klan enthusiastically supported ww1, prohibition, public education, eugenics, and other programs of the political establishment. An article on the klan's pro-ww1 activites, and it's alliance with woodrow wilson's blackshirts, the APL, would be interesting.

    The Klan enthusiastically supported ww1, prohibition, public education, eugenics, and other programs of the political establishment.

    Thanks for pointing out the considerable overlap between Klan positions and those of the progressive movement of the time. To be fair, there were a few anti-war progressives like Bob LaFollette.

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  • I completely disagree.

    It is true that the media lies. It is true that black crime is hidden, particularly racially motivated.

    But everyone knows the media is lying. Everyone. I cannot remember a single time during the last four decades when people were not afraid to go to black neighborhoods, regardless of their race or political background.

    The violent nature of these ghettos is one of the reasons why children in black neighborhoods systematically skip school. It terrifies them to leave their houses.

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  • NOW U TUBE IS CENSORING AND GOOGLE HAS CHANGED ITS algorithms TO BE MORE LEFTIST

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  • BTW

    Soviet main newspaper ……Trud (Work)
    Czech main newspaper……..Pravda (Truth)

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    In Soviet bloc times, Trud was the official daily of the Soviet trade unions. Pravda was the main Soviet Communist Party daily.
    There was a newspaper called Pravda in Czechoslovakia, but I believe it was the daily of the Communist Party of Slovakia. The Czech party daily was Rude Pravo.
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  • @the Supreme Gentleman

    Offhand, it sounds like “thousands” of blacks in recent decades have been lynched by the KKK, and yet I have never found any previous mention of these horrific atrocities either in the MSM or in Wikipedia.
     
    The quoted article is likely referring to the period of ~1865-1940 when somewhere between 3,000-5,000 people, disproportionately though not exclusively black, were indeed lynched. Certainly, most liberal readers of the NYT are probably not aware that lynchings had precipitously declined even before the Civil Rights Movement (Steven Pinker has a graph in the Better Angels of our Nature showing a decline from ~150 a year in the late 19th century to <10 a year in the 1940s), that many lynch mob victims were in fact violent criminals or that "thousands" of people being lynched is a much less shocking statistic when it describes a period of ~75 years. Nonetheless, I think all the claims in the quoted sentence are still factually accurate.

    Nonetheless, I think all the claims in the quoted sentence are still factually accurate.

    Well, sure, if you read the article in an extremely lawyerly fashion, even the bit I quoted is not necessary factually incorrect. But I think that the tight juxtaposition of the “personal experience of racism” suffered by those black Republican Trump supporters with the “thousands” of KKK lynchings mentioned, means that virtually anyone ignorant of the history who casually reads the sentence would naturally conclude that the latter killings had mostly occurred during the 1960s, 1970s, or even into the 1980s.

    Personally, I’d bet there’s a 50-50 chance that the ignorant Times reporter who wrote the article vaguely believes exactly that…

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    I had a tenant, a UCLA women who was a grad student and TA in some kind of grievance studies.

    She actually firmly believed that

    1. The Democrat party fought the civil war on the Union federal side

    2. The confederates were all Republicans

    3. The abolitionists were Republicans (30 years before the party was founded 1856)

    4. The Jim Crow laws and segregation were Republican things and that the Republicans fought the civil rights laws.

    But she was not ignorant and uneducated. She just believed what she was taught since Kindergarten to one of the prestige universities. And like Corvinus and Revulsky, she believes what she reads in teh newspapers.
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  • @Ron Unz
    I just read a long article in my morning NYT about the severe backlash Trump is experiencing from his own erstwhile supporters among black Republicans. It contained the following fascinating sentence:

    Many black Republicans and their families have personally experienced racism — and in some cases witnessed violence perpetrated by the Ku Klux Klan and other supremacist groups that lynched thousands of people, beat and murdered civil rights marchers, and supported segregationist policies that held African-Americans back.
     
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/politics/trump-black-republicans-moral-dilemma-charlottesville.html

    Offhand, it sounds like "thousands" of blacks in recent decades have been lynched by the KKK, and yet I have never found any previous mention of these horrific atrocities either in the MSM or in Wikipedia.

    Shame, shame on the MSM for covering up all these terrible KKK massacres...

    Offhand, it sounds like “thousands” of blacks in recent decades have been lynched by the KKK, and yet I have never found any previous mention of these horrific atrocities either in the MSM or in Wikipedia.

    The quoted article is likely referring to the period of ~1865-1940 when somewhere between 3,000-5,000 people, disproportionately though not exclusively black, were indeed lynched. Certainly, most liberal readers of the NYT are probably not aware that lynchings had precipitously declined even before the Civil Rights Movement (Steven Pinker has a graph in the Better Angels of our Nature showing a decline from ~150 a year in the late 19th century to <10 a year in the 1940s), that many lynch mob victims were in fact violent criminals or that "thousands" of people being lynched is a much less shocking statistic when it describes a period of ~75 years. Nonetheless, I think all the claims in the quoted sentence are still factually accurate.

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    Nonetheless, I think all the claims in the quoted sentence are still factually accurate.
     
    Well, sure, if you read the article in an extremely lawyerly fashion, even the bit I quoted is not necessary factually incorrect. But I think that the tight juxtaposition of the "personal experience of racism" suffered by those black Republican Trump supporters with the "thousands" of KKK lynchings mentioned, means that virtually anyone ignorant of the history who casually reads the sentence would naturally conclude that the latter killings had mostly occurred during the 1960s, 1970s, or even into the 1980s.

    Personally, I'd bet there's a 50-50 chance that the ignorant Times reporter who wrote the article vaguely believes exactly that...
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  • I just read a long article in my morning NYT about the severe backlash Trump is experiencing from his own erstwhile supporters among black Republicans. It contained the following fascinating sentence:

    Many black Republicans and their families have personally experienced racism — and in some cases witnessed violence perpetrated by the Ku Klux Klan and other supremacist groups that lynched thousands of people, beat and murdered civil rights marchers, and supported segregationist policies that held African-Americans back.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/22/us/politics/trump-black-republicans-moral-dilemma-charlottesville.html

    Offhand, it sounds like “thousands” of blacks in recent decades have been lynched by the KKK, and yet I have never found any previous mention of these horrific atrocities either in the MSM or in Wikipedia.

    Shame, shame on the MSM for covering up all these terrible KKK massacres…

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    • Replies: @the Supreme Gentleman

    Offhand, it sounds like “thousands” of blacks in recent decades have been lynched by the KKK, and yet I have never found any previous mention of these horrific atrocities either in the MSM or in Wikipedia.
     
    The quoted article is likely referring to the period of ~1865-1940 when somewhere between 3,000-5,000 people, disproportionately though not exclusively black, were indeed lynched. Certainly, most liberal readers of the NYT are probably not aware that lynchings had precipitously declined even before the Civil Rights Movement (Steven Pinker has a graph in the Better Angels of our Nature showing a decline from ~150 a year in the late 19th century to <10 a year in the 1940s), that many lynch mob victims were in fact violent criminals or that "thousands" of people being lynched is a much less shocking statistic when it describes a period of ~75 years. Nonetheless, I think all the claims in the quoted sentence are still factually accurate.
    , @Alden
    If black Republicans are victims of the KKK they must all be between 120 and 90 years old.
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  • @Stephen R. Diamond

    To my mind, 11-year-olds who threaten to kill their stepfathers with butcher-knives seem to have “violent” tendencies, but obviously opinions may differ.
     
    A single incident doesn't diagnose a "tendency." No objectively minded person would draw that conclusion. Unfortunate that Ron sometimes chooses to play to win debating points.

    I read Ron’s original piece in the American Pravda series, and I must say, that one sentence describing Till as having a “violent history” seems to be an error when considering his overall strategy. It omits the detail that Till was violent, but that he also *might* have been trying to protect his mother. Therefor, in that one sentence, you wonder whether or not Unz is hiding other facts in order to further his own agenda. And that is not something you want your readers wondering if you are going to fight a battle of credibility with the larger media organizations.

    However, the point about Till was minor with respect to the overall theme of this article, and I do not think it was too costly. Everybody makes mistakes, and the point wasn’t to conclude that Till was definitely guilty, but rather to conclude that there could be another explanation for the story. The article was still very interesting and made some good points, allowing the reader to draw some of his own conclusions based on the analysis.

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    At the time of his attempted or completed rape and murder, Till’s mother was at home in Chicago and Till was in the south spending the summer in his grandparent’s home hundreds of miles away.

    How could his Mother have been involved?
    , @Alden
    "It omits the detail that Till was violent, but that he also *might* have been trying to protect his mother. "

    Till's Mother was hundreds of miles away in Chicago. How could he possibly have been protecting her?
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  • @Ron Unz

    but it appears Emmet may have actually been protecting his mother from some sort of threat from the step father.
     
    That's absolutely correct. I wasn't there to witness the scene, and indeed it occurred many years before I was even born.

    However, it seems virtually certain that the only surviving account of the incident came from Till's own mother, likely given after his "martydom." So I hardly think she spun it in a negative direction. To my mind, 11-year-olds who threaten to kill their stepfathers with butcher-knives seem to have "violent" tendencies, but obviously opinions may differ.

    Anyway, a casual reference to Emmett Till aside, the central theme of my article was the utter dishonesty of the media, as demonstrated by their having totally "disappeared" the greatest wave of organized racial killings in America during the last one hundred years. Since I knew very little about the Till case, I casually Googled it while writing the article, and accounts of Till's violent behavior came out right at the top. Now Google has almost totally "disappeared" those as well, which simply reinforces my central media theme, adding a 1984-ish spin.

    But regarding the Till case, let's consider a thought-experiment involving the recent Charlottesville incident. Prior to the existence of the Internet, our MSM held a near-total monopoly on the distribution of information, and their uniform current reporting has been along the lines of a headline "Vicious Neo-Nazi Terrorists Attack Peaceful Anti-Racist Protesters in Charlottesville, Kill One." So fifty or sixty years ago, that would have been the only story we heard, afterwards congealing in the ideologically-allied mainstream history books. And except for contrary rumors or suspicions among fringe elements, that would have been that.

    To the extent that readers here are quite skeptical of the current MSM account of Charlottesville, perhaps they should be similarly suspicious of the official account of the Till case from before the Internet came along...
     
     
     

    To my mind, 11-year-olds who threaten to kill their stepfathers with butcher-knives seem to have “violent” tendencies, but obviously opinions may differ.

    A single incident doesn’t diagnose a “tendency.” No objectively minded person would draw that conclusion. Unfortunate that Ron sometimes chooses to play to win debating points.

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    I read Ron's original piece in the American Pravda series, and I must say, that one sentence describing Till as having a "violent history" seems to be an error when considering his overall strategy. It omits the detail that Till was violent, but that he also *might* have been trying to protect his mother. Therefor, in that one sentence, you wonder whether or not Unz is hiding other facts in order to further his own agenda. And that is not something you want your readers wondering if you are going to fight a battle of credibility with the larger media organizations.

    However, the point about Till was minor with respect to the overall theme of this article, and I do not think it was too costly. Everybody makes mistakes, and the point wasn't to conclude that Till was definitely guilty, but rather to conclude that there could be another explanation for the story. The article was still very interesting and made some good points, allowing the reader to draw some of his own conclusions based on the analysis.
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  • Read article by Paul Craig Roberts on the atrocities committed by the North on native Americans and Southern Americans and the reason that the KKK was originally formed. You will be surprised, but maybe you don’t care about the truth.

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  • @Jonathan Revusky

    Blah blah.... That is a fact.
     
    Uhh, no, that is not a "fact". A fact is something that I (or anybody else) can independently verify.

    The above is just story telling.

    That’s bad epistemology. A fact is something that is the case. A fact does not have to known or verified by anyone to be a fact. There were facts before there were humans around to be aware of them and there will be facts long after humans have left the scene.

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    A fact does not have to known or verified by anyone to be a fact.
     
    Uhh, no, you're simply wrong. A fact is supposed to be verifiable. Typically, it means a statement that no reasonable person would care to dispute, along the lines of "Paris is the capital of France."

    I could tell you that I had bread and cheese for breakfast. It so happens that this is true, but it is not a fact because nobody has any way of verifying it.

    This exemplifies a key problem there is in so much of what passes for debate on this and other sites. People don't understand the difference between facts and storytelling -- telling unverifiable stories.
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  • @WorkingClass
    Tuskegee remains the single most complete source of statistics and records on this crime since 1882. As of 1959, which was the last time that their annual Lynch Report was published, a total of 4,733 persons had died as a result of lynching since 1882.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States#Statistics

    The KKK is associated in the public mind with lynching (and beating) of black people. Yes, the magnitude of their crimes is overstated but understating it does not help.


    Trayvon Martin was stalked by a violence prone and armed George Zimmerman. Zimmerman was acting against the instructions of local police. When Martin turned to stand his ground he was murdered by Zimmerman.

    You could have made your point without understating the crimes of the KKK or making a hero/victim of George Zimmerman.

    And Anonymous asks a pertinent question. "Why keep antagonizing blacks and why keep blaming white people?" Who benefits from identity politics Mr Unz? Race realists could, by extension, be class realists as well.

    How about quoting the “instructions” that the 911 operator gave to Zimmerman.

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  • @Bob Johnson
    I usually love Unz's articles, but this one has some very disagreeable material. While you are right about michael brown robbing the store owner, nothing suggests trayvon martin was in the wrong for attacking zimmerman. Imagine being stalked, walking home from a grocery store, by a creepy, violent, armed man. By following Martin in the first place, after he was told not to by 911, zimmerman was the aggressor. Nothing suggests emmet till sexually harassed anyone, even if his dad was a rapist

    On the Klan, an interesting angle might be it's collaboration-during the progressive era-with the US government. The Klan had a lot of cross membership with the ultrapatriotic, WASP supremacist, pro-war American Protective League. The Klan enthusiastically supported ww1, prohibition, public education, eugenics, and other programs of the political establishment. An article on the klan's pro-ww1 activites, and it's alliance with woodrow wilson's blackshirts, the APL, would be interesting.

    Mnay errors here. To pick just one: The 911 operator did not tell Zim not to continue following Martin. The operator said, “We don’t need you to do that.” Quite different. Trayvon Martin attacked George Zimmermna. He paid the price for it.

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  • @Amanda
    Interesting that the MSM never covered these shocking crimes:

    http://www.wichita-massacre.com/

    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/08/13/the-gruesome-story-of-a-murdered-tennessee-couple-you-may-have-never-heard-about-but-that-you-will-never-forget/

    Check this: “Murder of Jan Pawel and Quiana Jenkins Pietrzak”.

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    Check this: "Murder of Jan Pawel and Quiana Jenkins Pietrzak".
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  • The philosophy of the Black Muslims may even have been the inspiration of Charles Manson, infamous mass murderer. The details:

    http://www.mansonblog.com/search/label/Zebra%20murders

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    Manson murders were 68 or 69. Zebra killings were in 73 and 74.
    , @David In TN
    Manson hoped the Tate-Labianca murders would be blamed (by scrawling the word "PIG" at the scene) on black perpetrators, the Black Panthers in particular. As it turned out, the authorities never at any time suspected the killers were black.
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  • @AMM
    I see. Knowing a few details now, I can go back to google and search "Emmet Till Butcher Knife" and come up with a few results. I must say, that does technically count as violence, but it appears Emmet may have actually been protecting his mother from some sort of threat from the step father. So while you may say that is evidence that he is violent, it also may be evidence that he is a defender of women.

    but it appears Emmet may have actually been protecting his mother from some sort of threat from the step father.

    That’s absolutely correct. I wasn’t there to witness the scene, and indeed it occurred many years before I was even born.

    However, it seems virtually certain that the only surviving account of the incident came from Till’s own mother, likely given after his “martydom.” So I hardly think she spun it in a negative direction. To my mind, 11-year-olds who threaten to kill their stepfathers with butcher-knives seem to have “violent” tendencies, but obviously opinions may differ.

    Anyway, a casual reference to Emmett Till aside, the central theme of my article was the utter dishonesty of the media, as demonstrated by their having totally “disappeared” the greatest wave of organized racial killings in America during the last one hundred years. Since I knew very little about the Till case, I casually Googled it while writing the article, and accounts of Till’s violent behavior came out right at the top. Now Google has almost totally “disappeared” those as well, which simply reinforces my central media theme, adding a 1984-ish spin.

    But regarding the Till case, let’s consider a thought-experiment involving the recent Charlottesville incident. Prior to the existence of the Internet, our MSM held a near-total monopoly on the distribution of information, and their uniform current reporting has been along the lines of a headline “Vicious Neo-Nazi Terrorists Attack Peaceful Anti-Racist Protesters in Charlottesville, Kill One.” So fifty or sixty years ago, that would have been the only story we heard, afterwards congealing in the ideologically-allied mainstream history books. And except for contrary rumors or suspicions among fringe elements, that would have been that.

    To the extent that readers here are quite skeptical of the current MSM account of Charlottesville, perhaps they should be similarly suspicious of the official account of the Till case from before the Internet came along…

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    To my mind, 11-year-olds who threaten to kill their stepfathers with butcher-knives seem to have “violent” tendencies, but obviously opinions may differ.
     
    A single incident doesn't diagnose a "tendency." No objectively minded person would draw that conclusion. Unfortunate that Ron sometimes chooses to play to win debating points.
    , @David In TN
    "Anyway, a casual reference to Emmett Till aside, the central theme of my article was the utter dishonesty of the media, as demonstrated by their having totally 'disappeared' the greatest wave of organized racial killings in America during the last one hundred years."

    The cowardly and hypocritical politicians along with the so-called "anti-racists" have never said a word about it. Not a word.
    , @anarchyst
    Emmett Till's mother lived in Chicago. Young Emmet Till was sent to live with relatives in the South as his mother could not handle him...
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