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    Updated, 4/6/16. See below! The 2016 U.S. presidential race has brought out a serious whirlwind of events, the likes of which haven't been seen in a long time, if ever. Despite my own expectations for a boring campaign, this election cycle has been anything but. Most significant to this excitement has been the rise of...
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    On the basis of the American Nations Theory, what do you make of the fact that it were precisely the most WASPY parts of New England the only ones in the whole country to soundly reject FDR and his New Deal?
     
    This will be discussed in a future post. But the general pattern is that politically you vote for your interests, especially if you're clannish. The New Deal was heavily favored by non-WASP (clannish) Whites because it represented a redistribution from WASP Whites to themselves. Today, of course, both WASP White and non-WASP White stand to be on the losing side of that equation, but NW Euro universalism also has manifested more today.

    Thank you, I appreciate you published and answered my tardy comment. I’m looking forward to new posts!

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    On the basis of the American Nations Theory, what do you make of the fact that it were precisely the most WASPY parts of New England the only ones in the whole country to soundly reject FDR and his New Deal? It doesn't sound me very compatible with the appeal of Scandinavian-style socialism to WEIRDO people... It's something I've recently asked Colin Woodard on his blog, but he hasn't answered yet.

    On the basis of the American Nations Theory, what do you make of the fact that it were precisely the most WASPY parts of New England the only ones in the whole country to soundly reject FDR and his New Deal?

    This will be discussed in a future post. But the general pattern is that politically you vote for your interests, especially if you’re clannish. The New Deal was heavily favored by non-WASP (clannish) Whites because it represented a redistribution from WASP Whites to themselves. Today, of course, both WASP White and non-WASP White stand to be on the losing side of that equation, but NW Euro universalism also has manifested more today.

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    Thank you, I appreciate you published and answered my tardy comment. I'm looking forward to new posts!
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  • On the basis of the American Nations Theory, what do you make of the fact that it were precisely the most WASPY parts of New England the only ones in the whole country to soundly reject FDR and his New Deal? It doesn’t sound me very compatible with the appeal of Scandinavian-style socialism to WEIRDO people… It’s something I’ve recently asked Colin Woodard on his blog, but he hasn’t answered yet.

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    On the basis of the American Nations Theory, what do you make of the fact that it were precisely the most WASPY parts of New England the only ones in the whole country to soundly reject FDR and his New Deal?
     
    This will be discussed in a future post. But the general pattern is that politically you vote for your interests, especially if you're clannish. The New Deal was heavily favored by non-WASP (clannish) Whites because it represented a redistribution from WASP Whites to themselves. Today, of course, both WASP White and non-WASP White stand to be on the losing side of that equation, but NW Euro universalism also has manifested more today.
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  • Three weeks out from the Iowa caucuses, and clarity emerges. Hillary Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee, is in trouble. Polls show her slightly ahead of Socialist Bernie Sanders in Iowa, but narrowly behind in New Hampshire. And the weekend brought new revelations about yet more classified and secret documents sent over her private email server...
  • @Johnny Smoggins
    Comparing the Clinton campaign to the Ferraro campaign is ludicrous, wouldn't you agree?

    Guess not.

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  • We interviewed Norman Finkelstein, the noted scholar of the Israel/Palestine conflict, in Brooklyn on April 8 and followed up with email exchanges. The following text contains both oral and written responses to our questions. PART 1: SANDERS Q. You’ve been canvassing for Bernie Sanders. Tell us why you’re so excited. I’ve witnessed three great social...
  • I heard you speak in Santa Cruz Ca, years ago and have, since, always admired your integrity and your courage. It pains me to hear you are no longer teaching and seemingly unwanted in today’s political atmosphere. You deserve so much more.

    I have few heros but you are one.

    Sincerely,

    Jerry Burke

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  • Updated, 4/6/16. See below! The 2016 U.S. presidential race has brought out a serious whirlwind of events, the likes of which haven't been seen in a long time, if ever. Despite my own expectations for a boring campaign, this election cycle has been anything but. Most significant to this excitement has been the rise of...
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  • I’ve consistently supported Bernie Sanders for President. The reason is his record in public office, regarding especially ten issues, where his actions in public office contrast sharply against Hillary Clinton’s actions in public office. First here, will be stated these ten key issues, on each of which issues Bernie and Hillary are opposites, and then...
  • Today Jill Stein was invited on Fox News and the Q&A was pretty courteous.
    I think it might be a clever move from Fox to lure the Berniks who may be tempted to vote for Hillary towards Jill Stein… Although I don’t know if the Berniks watch Fox or the TV at all.
    Too bad CNN doesn’t invite Jill Stein…

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    @Priss Factor
    Most Berniks won't vote for Trump.

    Most of them are not working class. Their socialism isn't one of class. They don't want factory jobs.

    They are wanna-be elites who didn't make it or those yet to make it.

    The main appeal of Sanders to them is virtue-signaling. Their ideal jobs are in media, academia, arts & culture, government, NGO's, and etc. They are smugots: smug progots(progo-bigots) into preening moral narcissism and self-patting-on-the-back. They get a kick out of feeling morally and intellectually and ideologically better than everyone else.

    Sure, they yammer about 1% vs 99%, but it's really soreness over their not being part of the urban elite. After all, the Lib Elite world has only so many slots for fancy jobs in Hollywood, Wall Street, fashion, art museums, and etc. Not every hipster makes it. Those who make it go for Hillary or may yammer about supporting Bernie just to earn virtue-credits.

    This is haute 'socialism' of spoiled children of upper middle class whites who don't want to pay their college loans. They feel nothing for the real workers.

    Trump appeals to red-blooded real America. Berniks hate such people as 'racist' and 'xenophobic', the worst sins in the SJW playbook.

    Berniks are about cultural attitudes, not class interests.

    And when in God’s name is the press going to discuss the body count of folks involved with the blowing the whistle or litigating against the CLinton Foundation and the DNC? America, this is a coup, not an election. Rise up, Complain, and do not vote for Clinton. THey, the oligarchy do not want Trump. He will not play. Call their fucking bluff. THis is only about Citizens United. It must end now as it has consumed both sides of the political fense and is turning up the militaristic, repressive, environmental disaster heat. Do not vote for her. There are honest, able down ballot candidates that are not for sale. Hillary is for sale all day long…..

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  • Jihadists are rightwing boogymen used to scare dumb capitalists into always being sheep.

    Stein 2016

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  • @War for Blair Mountain
    Anon

    You are full of s.....t. I'll only concentrate on Cambodia. Since I actually read Chomsky and Herman's books-essays on Cambodia....Chomsky never denied that something terrible was happening. What he did say was that based upon the available evidence a the time that when Pol Pot was on a Khmer revenge rampage, one couldn't state definitively that 1)the numbers being put out by certain members of the media were accurate and 2)why did the media go along with accepting uncritically what turned out to be inflated numbers?....


    Chomksy and Herman were making a point about the Western propaganda system at the time. And their point was this:the inflated number of victims of Pol Pot was an attempt to retroactively justify the US invasion and destruction of Vietnam, and the massive bombing of Cambodia(and the Plain of Jars in Laos)of the Khmer population that resulted in the rise of the Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. Interestingly, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote an essay...The Journal Granta....exonerating Noam Chomsky of the charge that Noam Chomsky was an apologist for Pol Pot.


    It is interesting to note that "anti-war" ((( US Congressman))) Steven Solarz was Pol Pot's best friend in the (((US Congress)))...Solarz went on to lead the war from the lap top bombers-chikenhawk-warhawk Central Command...Charlie Rose Show....against Saddam Hussien. There is a direct line from the exaggerated atrocity numbers attributed to War Criminal Pol Pot right through to the bombing of the Serbian Civilian Population-gross exaggeration of Serbian atrocities and totally ignoring Bosnian Muslim atrocities against the Serbian Christian Population in Bosnia. Samantha Powers made a career out of promoting "humanitarian" interventions-like the one in the Ukraine where Samantha Powers' beloved Maidan Neo-Nazis have slaughtered thousands of Conservative Orthodox Christian Russians in the Eastern Ukraine.

    Also the US refused to recognize the Vietnamese-backed government that replaced the Khmer Rouge.

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  • @Boris
    This plan is idiotic. It creates more terrorists and is immoral.

    Cucks always say this but provide no evidence.

    Targeting terrorists’ families will be effective on a number of levels.

    a) It will give would-be terrorists an increased incentive to refrain from terrorism

    b) It will give families of terrorists an increased incentive to steer would-be terrorist kin away from terrorism, and to report or kill terrorist kin

    c) On the basest level, it will kill the nits before they grow up into lice. Not all children of terrorists become terrorists but there is a correlation. Baby Ahmed can’t grow up to follow in daddy’s footsteps if he never grows up.

    To defeat an enemy, you must understand their mentality. Muslims come from clan- and family-centered cultures. Solutions to Muslim terrorism must involve appropriate incentives.

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  • @Rehmat
    The great majority of people who were fooled by a Zionist conman Bernie Sanders have already thrown their support behind Green party nominee Jill Stein, who is the only candidate who has refused to take dictation from the pro-Israel and more wars establishments.

    Hillary and Trump are two faces of the same 'Zionist coin' - more wars for Israel in the Muslim world.

    Jill Stein has now dropped another so-called 'antisemite bomb' by announcing Ajamu Baraka as her vice-president nominee. Ajamu Baraka is a Afro-American human-rights activist who denies the "official 9/11 story", and opposes everything AIPAC says.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/08/16/green-party-vp-is-a-911-denier/

    He’s also vehemently anti-white.

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  • @unpc downunder
    Actually most people on the centre left are lower-middle class. The upper middle class tend to be pro-business right-wing liberals who vote for mainstream left and right wing candidates like Hillary and Jeb Bush. And most upper class kids have no problems paying off their student loans.

    Ironically, its lower middle class Green/Bernie voters tend to be biggest losers from affirmative action. Upper middle class white doctors and engineers don't lose their jobs to non-whites (their IQs are too high) but a lower middle class liberals graduate with a 120 IQ is just the sort of person to be kicked out of a government job to make way for a non-white person.

    They also fail to realise that when they start their boutique businesses selling craft beer and organic vegetables that it's wealthy whites who are their primary customers.

    In Marxist terms these people are suffering from false consciousness.

    If you think one needs a >120 IQ to become a doctor or engineer, your own IQ might not be as high as you think.

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  • If every pregnant woman terminated her pregnancy, the human species would die out. So the question is not if abortion is evil, but how evil.

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  • @Outwest
    My concern isn’t what you choose to believe. It’s a free country. However, there are some important points made in these discussions that tend to be compromised when stuff like the Towers Weren’t Hit by a Plane get admixed. It’s right up there with the Moon Landing Filmed in a Studio. Sort of like religion, if you believe it logic and probability don’t apply. But I like to think that the political issues, such as our bellicose position in world affairs, are in fact subject to logic and observation.

    I’ve made my point and you yours. Thank you.

    Just to make a last point before maybe closing this chapter.
    As you seem to imply, I agree with you that there is a lot of rubbish concerning 9/11 (no pun intended). This is more likely spread intentionally to discredit those who may have some valid points. These absurd claims are quite convenient to paint those who are not buying the official narrative as loonies… as if conspiracy theories doesn’t exist.
    One of the leading promoter behind those 9/11 “red herrings” used to be Eric Huffschmid, whose half sister, Kathryn, is the spouse of James Murdoch, son of the foxy tycoon.
    Equally interesting, Murdoch’s daughter Elizabeth is the spouse of Matthews Freud, the guru of PR in the UK. Matthews Freud is the great grand son of Sigmund and also the great nephew of Edward Bernays, father of propaganda theories and public relations. I bet in this family they know a great deal about public manipulation.
    Do some homework … Thank you!

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  • @vetran
    FYI, one of the Tower was engulfed by fire between floors 11 & 15 for several hours in Feb 1972. It didn't collapsed...
    BTW, the Towers didn't pancaked ... they pulverized into fine dust. Look at the pics...

    My concern isn’t what you choose to believe. It’s a free country. However, there are some important points made in these discussions that tend to be compromised when stuff like the Towers Weren’t Hit by a Plane get admixed. It’s right up there with the Moon Landing Filmed in a Studio. Sort of like religion, if you believe it logic and probability don’t apply. But I like to think that the political issues, such as our bellicose position in world affairs, are in fact subject to logic and observation.

    I’ve made my point and you yours. Thank you.

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    Just to make a last point before maybe closing this chapter.
    As you seem to imply, I agree with you that there is a lot of rubbish concerning 9/11 (no pun intended). This is more likely spread intentionally to discredit those who may have some valid points. These absurd claims are quite convenient to paint those who are not buying the official narrative as loonies... as if conspiracy theories doesn't exist.
    One of the leading promoter behind those 9/11 "red herrings" used to be Eric Huffschmid, whose half sister, Kathryn, is the spouse of James Murdoch, son of the foxy tycoon.
    Equally interesting, Murdoch's daughter Elizabeth is the spouse of Matthews Freud, the guru of PR in the UK. Matthews Freud is the great grand son of Sigmund and also the great nephew of Edward Bernays, father of propaganda theories and public relations. I bet in this family they know a great deal about public manipulation.
    Do some homework ... Thank you!
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  • @Boris
    This plan is idiotic. It creates more terrorists and is immoral.

    It is realistic and the only plan that will slow down or even stop terrorists. Most of the terrorist’s families support them, all you have to do to prove that is look at the families of the San Bernadino, California and Orlando, Florida terrorists. In Iran, the families of terrorist bombers are celebrated and held in high esteem. One of the “news” magazines like 20-20 did a story on this a few years ago where they interviewed the family of a child terrorist bomber who had blown himself up. He was the first child to do it, now they encourage all their children to do it. The Palestinians parade their children around in bomb vests. The photos are on the internet. Islam is a culture of death – I say give it to them in spades!

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  • @woodNfish

    Trump wants to kill the relatives of terrorists.
     
    You are the one who is delusional. Trump is a realist. Not a single thing we have done so far has stopped or even slowed down terrorists. Family is everything to muslims. By making the cost of their terrorism too high for them by targeting their families if they commit a terrorist act it will reduce or even end terrorism. When terrorists know that their act will kill their families most of them won't do it. Trump knows this, you apparently can't figure it out.

    This plan is idiotic. It creates more terrorists and is immoral.

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    It is realistic and the only plan that will slow down or even stop terrorists. Most of the terrorist's families support them, all you have to do to prove that is look at the families of the San Bernadino, California and Orlando, Florida terrorists. In Iran, the families of terrorist bombers are celebrated and held in high esteem. One of the "news" magazines like 20-20 did a story on this a few years ago where they interviewed the family of a child terrorist bomber who had blown himself up. He was the first child to do it, now they encourage all their children to do it. The Palestinians parade their children around in bomb vests. The photos are on the internet. Islam is a culture of death - I say give it to them in spades!
    , @AndrewR
    Cucks always say this but provide no evidence.

    Targeting terrorists' families will be effective on a number of levels.

    a) It will give would-be terrorists an increased incentive to refrain from terrorism

    b) It will give families of terrorists an increased incentive to steer would-be terrorist kin away from terrorism, and to report or kill terrorist kin

    c) On the basest level, it will kill the nits before they grow up into lice. Not all children of terrorists become terrorists but there is a correlation. Baby Ahmed can't grow up to follow in daddy's footsteps if he never grows up.

    To defeat an enemy, you must understand their mentality. Muslims come from clan- and family-centered cultures. Solutions to Muslim terrorism must involve appropriate incentives.

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  • @fnn

    This is delusional. Trump wants to kill the relatives of terrorists. That’s well to the right of the Republican party.
     
    Obama does the same thing (and more) when he blows up wedding parties with drone strikes. Even that is very mild compared to WWII and Korean War area bombing when US was exterminating the populations of entire cities because of their political leadership.

    Obama does the same thing (and more) when he blows up wedding parties with drone strikes.

    This is a false equivalence. You can be against drones strikes, but it’s clear that Obama isn’t targeting relatives as a means of deterring terrorists.

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  • @Priss Factor
    Most Berniks won't vote for Trump.

    Most of them are not working class. Their socialism isn't one of class. They don't want factory jobs.

    They are wanna-be elites who didn't make it or those yet to make it.

    The main appeal of Sanders to them is virtue-signaling. Their ideal jobs are in media, academia, arts & culture, government, NGO's, and etc. They are smugots: smug progots(progo-bigots) into preening moral narcissism and self-patting-on-the-back. They get a kick out of feeling morally and intellectually and ideologically better than everyone else.

    Sure, they yammer about 1% vs 99%, but it's really soreness over their not being part of the urban elite. After all, the Lib Elite world has only so many slots for fancy jobs in Hollywood, Wall Street, fashion, art museums, and etc. Not every hipster makes it. Those who make it go for Hillary or may yammer about supporting Bernie just to earn virtue-credits.

    This is haute 'socialism' of spoiled children of upper middle class whites who don't want to pay their college loans. They feel nothing for the real workers.

    Trump appeals to red-blooded real America. Berniks hate such people as 'racist' and 'xenophobic', the worst sins in the SJW playbook.

    Berniks are about cultural attitudes, not class interests.

    They are wanna-be elites who didn’t make it or those yet to make it.

    This is haute ‘socialism’ of spoiled children of upper middle class whites who don’t want to pay their college loans. They feel nothing for the real workers.

    True to some extent and their propensity towards ultra PC nonsense makes them hard to sympethise with. It’s certainly one of the reasons why most of the Bernie supporters will vote for the hag. The mentality is the same one that opposes high taxes for the rich; the majority of people won’t pay them and likely never will in their lifetimes, but they aspire to. Besides the above, mindless groupthink and common or garden cuckery, there’s a social aspect to this; if you mix with, and have in your social circles, people from around the world, you don’t want to see them kicked out, or even made uncomfortable with talk about it.

    Having said that, massive downward mobility a fact of life beyond just the working class. The press of late seems to be filled with articles documenting their plight with condescending pity, but the children of the middle class don’t really have it much better. Opposing the current level of tuition and the terms and conditions of the loans is hardly objectionable when many countries, as did the US a generation ago, manage to have affordable or free college without becoming Sovok dystopias or bankrupting themselves (though they do often combine this with very Darwinian admissions and failure policies). What’s more, upon leaving college housing will get them BIG TIME. Unless you have serious inherited wealth, living in the coastal cities if you’re under 40 means that you’ll be nothing more than landlord fodder for most of your adult life. It’s only really possible to escape this if you’re exceptionally lucky and talented.

    I suspect the western world is entering into a long term phase of positive, but very low growth, which will mean that your wealth will be more important than your own effort. Unfortunately for the majority of Anglos, they don’t seem to really understand wealth and family bonds are quite weak.

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  • Regarding the issue of abortion, however, I would say that a progressive doesn’t think of a two-celled human zygote as having any more consciousness (and certainly no more misery or joy or pain or pleasure) than a stone does; and, so, the idea of conservatives — that “the right to life” starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism — is not accepted by us

    So, it would be okay if someone released a virus that killed all “human” two-celled zygotes for, say, 100 years.

    Leftist morality (and logic) is highly evolved, and well-thought-through.

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  • (((Bernie Sanders))) supports race replacement immigration levels and the black supremacists and terrorists of BLM. Trump does not. Even if Mr. Feel the Burn would have won the nomination and the presidency he would not have turned his back on his kinsmen in Israel and would have been every bit the interventionist and warmonger that his predecessors were.

    Regarding socialized medicine in Europe, what (((Bernie’s))) supporters fail to understand is that socialism sort of works in Europe (but faltering badly as of late) because they have monoracial, high trust societies. But thanks to the massive influx of African and Muslim refugees Europe is now breaking apart which includes the model socialism that (((Bernie))) is so fond of. Multiracialism and multiculturalism kill societies.

    It seems one of the only thing Bernie bros have in common with Trump is that they both hate Hillary Clinton, so from an average Bernie supporters point of view the enemy (Trump) of my enemy (Hillary Rodham Clinton) is my friend.

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  • @Outwest
    Not a civil engineer –I just read a bit. The old Chicago-style skyscraper was of a steel frame with largely curtain exterior walls. The steel frame was protected by thick asbestos layers that afforded long lasting heat protection. If even an old style building such as you cited were hit by a large airplane (bigger than a B-25) there’s a good probability that the asbestos coating would be abraded from the steel by the plane.

    I suspect that asbestos is now is disfavor and, of course, they don’t build them like they used to.
    But, of course, believe what you want. This is America.

    FYI, one of the Tower was engulfed by fire between floors 11 & 15 for several hours in Feb 1972. It didn’t collapsed…
    BTW, the Towers didn’t pancaked … they pulverized into fine dust. Look at the pics…

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    My concern isn’t what you choose to believe. It’s a free country. However, there are some important points made in these discussions that tend to be compromised when stuff like the Towers Weren’t Hit by a Plane get admixed. It’s right up there with the Moon Landing Filmed in a Studio. Sort of like religion, if you believe it logic and probability don’t apply. But I like to think that the political issues, such as our bellicose position in world affairs, are in fact subject to logic and observation.

    I’ve made my point and you yours. Thank you.
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  • @Priss Factor
    Most Berniks won't vote for Trump.

    Most of them are not working class. Their socialism isn't one of class. They don't want factory jobs.

    They are wanna-be elites who didn't make it or those yet to make it.

    The main appeal of Sanders to them is virtue-signaling. Their ideal jobs are in media, academia, arts & culture, government, NGO's, and etc. They are smugots: smug progots(progo-bigots) into preening moral narcissism and self-patting-on-the-back. They get a kick out of feeling morally and intellectually and ideologically better than everyone else.

    Sure, they yammer about 1% vs 99%, but it's really soreness over their not being part of the urban elite. After all, the Lib Elite world has only so many slots for fancy jobs in Hollywood, Wall Street, fashion, art museums, and etc. Not every hipster makes it. Those who make it go for Hillary or may yammer about supporting Bernie just to earn virtue-credits.

    This is haute 'socialism' of spoiled children of upper middle class whites who don't want to pay their college loans. They feel nothing for the real workers.

    Trump appeals to red-blooded real America. Berniks hate such people as 'racist' and 'xenophobic', the worst sins in the SJW playbook.

    Berniks are about cultural attitudes, not class interests.

    Most Berniks won’t vote for Trump.
    Most of them are not working class. Their socialism isn’t one of class. They don’t want factory jobs.

    Where is the working class anyway, as it is shrinking and has becomes more middle class?
    So what is left for “Berniks” to turn to as there are few factory jobs or no longer exist even if they wanted. Most have been shipped away to China and others low wages dirt holes…
    Certainly many “Berniks” have witnessed how their parents struggled to meets end and left with peanuts despite their militancy.
    So don’t blame them to pursue higher ambitions, despite their hypocrisy and few scruples to join the “elites”.

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  • FWIW (once again): I’ve worked informally at times with Leftish and Rightish folks at the grassroots level, and three characteristics of political activism are, I think, shared by both. Both Left and Right are unwilling to fully admit the political behaviors they oppose are willful, deliberate creations of our corrupt and corrupting political caste. In other words, does anyone seriously believe either Democrats or Republicans want well-crafted legislation that solves problems?

    Secondly, both Left and Right seem unwilling to admit the extent to which they themselves have been compromised by the benefits they derive from maintaining the status quo. A lot of so-called activism is just empty verbalism propounded by noisy people who are very grateful their commitment to the cause du jour is unlikely to ever come to a head.

    Thirdly, the quality of our citizenry is grossly overestimated by both Left and Right. I write that sadly and with reservations. For most people, including well-educated folks, their political aperture is open only to comfort-food political rhetoric, hot-button platitudes, and suchlike.

    I’m glad I did my bit of activism when younger, and not so young, too. Reality is the Wall Street-K Street combine calls the shots, and political hustlers at the state and lower levels internalize that for their own benefit. The rest of us are political dunnage.

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  • @utu
    Since I see you have civil engineering in your finger tip explain why the core, yes that core: "the strength of the building was in the core rather than in the walls" also pancaked?

    "But I’m sure that it is atypical to allow a building to smolder for so long without fighting the fire."

    The One Meridian Plaza Fire

    One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss. It was later described by Philadelphia officials as "the most significant fire in this century".

    Caracas Tower Fire

    The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters.

    Not a civil engineer –I just read a bit. The old Chicago-style skyscraper was of a steel frame with largely curtain exterior walls. The steel frame was protected by thick asbestos layers that afforded long lasting heat protection. If even an old style building such as you cited were hit by a large airplane (bigger than a B-25) there’s a good probability that the asbestos coating would be abraded from the steel by the plane.

    I suspect that asbestos is now is disfavor and, of course, they don’t build them like they used to.
    But, of course, believe what you want. This is America.

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    FYI, one of the Tower was engulfed by fire between floors 11 & 15 for several hours in Feb 1972. It didn't collapsed...
    BTW, the Towers didn't pancaked ... they pulverized into fine dust. Look at the pics...
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  • @Eric Zuesse
    "Hillary ... is basically Dick Cheney in drag" is the funniest truth I've run into in a long time! Thanks for it!!

    (Maybe it's a truth that has legs. But how about my own "Hillary Clinton is the Democrats' Richard Nixon"? Does that have longer legs? Is it equally true?)

    Equally true although we could go on with the ‘Hillary is x in drag’ motif. I have also used Kissinger as x as Hillary at State was comparable to him. The better point is why should ovary voters support her given the track record of women in power? If women are alleged to be voting concerns such as peace, child care, education, healthcare and such, then what are we to make of Albright, Condileeza Rice, Susan Rice, Samantha Powers and Hillary as Kissinger?

    We can contrast the war record of ovaries in power with marshmellows like Claire McCaskill, who sits up and rolls over for Obama. This ovary power type fills the gang marm roll of devotion to her man’s cause whether its Ros-Lehtinen of Florida or the MO marshmellow.

    The record shows that Hillary as x in drag is what ovary voters will get, not the transformation of power into something kinder and gentler.

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  • @Anonymous
    Professor Zeusse,

    Bravo! You made the case for me (McGovern, Carter, Clinton 1, Nader 1&2, and Barry-O 1 (puke)) to vote for Don. HRC is poison, definitely should be brought to trial for war crimes.

    We the people have a tremendous opportunity to make meaningful change in this election. The trick is how to dump HRC in the shit can!?

    Merci mille fois,

    stepjo

    Please send the link to this article to all your Bernie friends!

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  • Eric, thanks. Regarding health care: FWIW-I’m an insider-observer of my local state university, and I know to a certainty there’s an informal code of omerta that bars university faculty from examining the nature and consequences of group health insurance. The silence of America’s professors over one of the worst domestic ideas of the last seventy-some years is one major reason why health care debate never gets much beyond arm-flapping and hissy fits.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Eric Zuesse
    Progressivism doesn't bring "taxpayer funded abortions" nor "a black market fetal tissue and organ business." Your definition of "progressive" is very different from mine, but I won't define it in a reader-comment, because defining what I mean by "progressive" takes a full-length book, which I am working on. However, FDR was a great President from a progressive's viewpoint; so, the history of his Presidency is a fair approximation to what a progressive President does in office. Abraham Lincoln was another great President, from a progressive viewpoint.

    Regarding the issue of abortion, however, I would say that a progressive doesn't think of a two-celled human zygote as having any more consciousness (and certainly no more misery or joy or pain or pleasure) than a stone does; and, so, the idea of conservatives -- that "the right to life" starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism -- is not accepted by us: for such an organism as that, there is no "right" and there is no "wrong," and therefore the moralisms of conservatives regarding that are rejected and are viewed as being plain false.

    The error must be on my part regarding progressivism, but I see that ThinkProgress.com and it’s affiliate organization celebrate the gradual removal of the term pro-life, replaced by anti-choice. In contemporary parlance, never mind those of the past, this is thought of as progress.

    You make a good point with the zygote issue, however my main problem is that the determination of what constitutes life is subjected to judicial determination not popular (state) determination. Hence the loss of freedom for ALL of us, regardless which position we support.

    Anyway, thanks for your piece and response which both took some chutzpah, GO TRUMP!

    (I don’t think a lot of milenials will read it though.)

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Professor Zeusse,

    Bravo! You made the case for me (McGovern, Carter, Clinton 1, Nader 1&2, and Barry-O 1 (puke)) to vote for Don. HRC is poison, definitely should be brought to trial for war crimes.

    We the people have a tremendous opportunity to make meaningful change in this election. The trick is how to dump HRC in the shit can!?

    Merci mille fois,

    stepjo

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    Please send the link to this article to all your Bernie friends!
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  • @Eric Zuesse
    "Hillary ... is basically Dick Cheney in drag" is the funniest truth I've run into in a long time! Thanks for it!!

    (Maybe it's a truth that has legs. But how about my own "Hillary Clinton is the Democrats' Richard Nixon"? Does that have longer legs? Is it equally true?)

    “But how about my own “Hillary Clinton is the Democrats’ Richard Nixon”?”

    The way I’ve been putting is “Hillary Clinton is Richard Nixon with ovaries”.

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  • @Eric Zuesse
    Art, you are referring to custom, tradition, as being the supposed basis for ethics.

    You say, "few people prior to the political push of the 60’s, thought that abortion was anything other than taking a life. It was correctly seen as a wrong by most everyone."

    Few people in 1700 considered slavery to be ethically wrong; even fewer thought that it was so wrong it should be outlawed.

    Few people in Saudi Arabia consider it to be unethical, even today.

    Your culturally based ethical views cannot be taken seriously, by any intelligent being.

    Further response to your comment would be pointless here. You swung at the pitch and ended up merely pitching your bat into the viewing stands.

    Art, you are referring to custom, tradition, as being the supposed basis for ethics.

    Sorry – but it is YOU who mouth the current conventional tradition of abortion. It is your ethics that says take life.

    Old ethics and science says “do no harm.” You say take life. Most humans do not want abortion in their personal lives.

    Reread my comment – I stated honest history and I pointed to science and logic for my arguments.

    Here is you. Your culturally based ethical views cannot be taken seriously, by any intelligent being.

    What – you just repeated your first comment – are you capable of some new argument? You feed us brainstem liberal convention – nothing more.

    Clearly you lack a working understanding of history, science, and logic.

    Reading your two comments – me thinks you are little more then a politically correct hack.

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  • @Anonymous
    The part I left out.

    The precedent established by the Nuremberg trial is important because the basic MO can and will be used against any enemy of Britain and America viz. Saddam Hussein.

    And here's my prediction.

    If Hillary is elected, then nearly everyone who posts on this site or similar sites will, within the next 20 years, be hauled in front of a tribunal, confronted with archived evidence of crimes against the revolution and either sentenced to "reeducation" in a penal concentration camp or hung.

    Don't laugh. The precedent has been established. You will be charged with having broken a law that is not even currently on the books.

    (I say "nearly" because part of the purpose of these sites is to draw the bugs out of the woodwork, and some involved in its making and commenting are controlled opposition)

    “I say “nearly” because part of the purpose of these sites is to draw the bugs out of the woodwork, and some involved in its making and commenting are controlled opposition.”

    You might be right. The future is very bleak.

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  • @Eric Zuesse
    Once an organism possesses consciousness, its conscious life has begun, and it possesses rights.

    A plant can reasonably be assumed not to be conscious, and therefore not to possess any rights to protect. A rock has none. either. A human zygote has none, either. However, after the foetus is around 20 weeks old, it starts to possess consciousness and therefore to have some rights to protect. Until that point in time, only the mother does, and the state, the government, has no right to intervene.

    Regarding a comatose person, there is a medical decision that must be made as to whether the likelihood is that the coma will inevitably end in death. If that's the case, then it's reasonable to pull the plug. Otherwise not necessarily.

    You ask "Why is suffering bad," and I respond that only positive emotion possesses ultimate positive value, and only negative emotion possesses ultimate negative value. All value is ultimately reducible to the realm of emotions, which constitute a category of consciousness. (In addition to emotions, there are sensations, and also thoughts. A person consists of a body, plus its sensations, thoughts, and emotions.) Once there is no reasonable expectation that consciousness will be restored to a body, that body is a corpse. However, value isn't based on the either/or of life/death, but instead on the emotions, which are either positive (happy) or negative (sad) in some degree of intensity and type.

    We purchase things when we assume that they'll bring us more happiness than the sadness of their cost. All of our conscious motivated behavior is directed at maximizing the things that make us happy, and minimizing the things that make us sad. Every person's consciousness is the same in that basic respect. This is why each person has the same basic rights as each other person does.

    “We purchase things when we assume that they’ll bring us more happiness than the sadness of their cost. ” – Explaining the essence of human nature in the age of consumerism. Philosophy 101 for Americans, right?

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  • Google Pew Report, how many Sanders voters will vote for Trump.

    8%

    So this article is kinda silly, isn’t it.

    Of course I am not going to read it. If I want to read fantasy I can do far better. I can’t do much worse, but I can do far better.

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  • @Anonymous
    "Even that is very mild compared to WWII and Korean War area bombing when US was exterminating the populations of entire cities because of their political leadership."

    True, all too true. I just finished reading "Advance to Barbarism" by F.J.P. Veale. It is a book documenting the decision made by the British High Command in WW2 to bomb civilian targets in Germany. You read that correctly; civilian targets such as working class suburbs. As proof he cites actual Cabinet level records which were finally made public in 1960 or so. This was cold blooded murder of innocents.

    "Innocents?" you say? "But isn't everyone a fair target in war?". The answer is "NO". And he backs this up by examining the European wars from 1700 to 1900. They were fought by professional armies acting on behalf of Europe's royal houses. Strategic aims were strictly limited to reducing the enemies fortresses or armies in the field. Convention prohibited warfare against civilian populations, which conventions eventually became codified in the Hague convention enacted in 1899.

    But more was to follow in the Nuremberg Trials. In these, every established rule of Law as practiced in civilized countries of the West, was subverted. Rules of evidence, statements by witnesses, right to attorney, statements of clear charges and so on were ignored. The defendants were charged with having violated Laws which didn't even exist at the time they were supposed to have committed the "crime". But, most despicably, enemy Generals et al were treated as criminals simply because they had fought on the losing side. Contrast this with Lincoln's and Grant's treatment of the Confederate Generals.

    And of course, in the wake of the war, Germany was raped and looted and many innocent citizens and former soldiers were starved to death.

    This lawlessness by the American, British and especially Soviet authorities opened the Pandora's Box of indiscriminate warfare that we see today--from strafing and bombing civilians in Viet Nam to today's drone strikes. In repudiating the "civilized, limited" war of the previous centuries, we have set a terrible precedent. We will regret it.

    By the way, it's a damn good book and well worth the read. Look in the mirror and see yourself as you truly are.

    Indeed, WWII ‘history ‘ is The Big Lie’.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    http://www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since 1869:

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  • @WorkingClass
    You're wrong about Nader. If Bernie had been the real deal he would not have endorsed Hillary. He would have gone Green and destroyed her.

    Anyway, welcome aboard. You won't be going back. To your former friends you are now a dangerous and vulgar bigot.

    thank you working class, i am about to punch the next stupid dem’rat/pwogwessive who bitches about nader losing a race which gore lost all by his lonesome…
    the funny thing is, JUST THE ACTUAL MATH of the numbers they cite in florida do NOT support their case on numerous levels: the nader votes would NOT have broken 100% to gore; there was such massive election (NOT VOTER) fraud perpetrated by the state ‘leaders’ that it dwarfed the nader-to-gore votes; not to mention the simple math of however many other presidential candidates who ‘siphoned off’ (sic) presumed gore votes…
    etc, etc, etc…
    but let’s gang up on a man who has done more to help America and Americans than any THOUSAND of the wormtongued critics who exiled him for his supposed crimes against gore…

    NOT TO MENTION: um, WHO is it who tells ME WHO i can and can not vote for ? if you are going to ASSUME that -as a progressive- i am OWED MY -repeat MY- vote to whoever YOU decide is the ‘practical’ choice, then FUCK YOU VERY MUCH…
    presumptuous pricks…

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  • The author really hates Hillary and it’s clearly clouding his judgment. Bernie knows who the better candidate is.

    True, Bernie is a phony. But maybe some of his supporters aren’t. Hillary = 8 years more of the same crap.

    I’ve had Sanders supporters tell me stuff like “the middle class / middle America has to really suffer before we can get real change.” Really, the middle class should suffer? What ever happened to the middle class being part of that noble 99% that deserves better against the greedy 1%? What ever happened to all the rhetoric about the 99% already quietly suffering?

    They’re right. They’re just wrong about the kind of change they want being the kind of change that will inevitably result. Middle class is, by definition, competent. They’ll wall themselves off from the socialists’ precious diversity.

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  • @Art

    Regarding the issue of abortion, however, I would say that a progressive doesn’t think of a two-celled human zygote as having any more consciousness (and certainly no more misery or joy or pain or pleasure) than a stone does; and, so, the idea of conservatives — that “the right to life” starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism — is not accepted by us
     
    First – that is pure political speak – few people prior to the political push of the 60’s, thought that abortion was anything other than taking a life. It was correctly seen as a wrong by most everyone. Depending on the gestation period – is an abortion the same as taking the life of a grown human person – NO. Never the less, an abortion places an automatic well-deserved negative mark in the subconscious mind that never goes away. Abortion clinics are the saddest places on the planet. The reason for the sadness is obvious – it is wrong.

    Two points. “No consciousness.” A major attribute of the word “consciousness” – is the "notion of awareness" by one entity of another entity. There are various decrees of intellectual awareness, biological awareness, and physical awareness. When an egg and a sperm come together and become one – it attaches itself to its mother’s womb. From this time forward the mother’s physiology is aware of the of this new being. The mothers body is conscious of the new growing being. And the new being is chemically aware of what the mother feeds it. This new thing is not a stone – it is an interactive biological being. A life has started - period. There is no other intellectually honest explanation.

    Lastly, “the right to life” starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism — is not accepted by us.”

    This is intellectually dishonest because it ignores the reality of how the universe works. One of the greatest truisms of science is that everything has a beginning and a likely ending. Unquestionably this is true of biological entities. A biological life is a continuum of growth and decline. Ignoring a certain part of that growth is intellectually dishonest. When an egg and sperm come together a new unique identity is formed – that identity evolves until death. To not intellectually honor its beginning is wrong.

    Labeling the beginning of new human life “equivalent to a stone” - is pseudo intellectual babble – it is gutter politics.

    Art, you are referring to custom, tradition, as being the supposed basis for ethics.

    You say, “few people prior to the political push of the 60’s, thought that abortion was anything other than taking a life. It was correctly seen as a wrong by most everyone.”

    Few people in 1700 considered slavery to be ethically wrong; even fewer thought that it was so wrong it should be outlawed.

    Few people in Saudi Arabia consider it to be unethical, even today.

    Your culturally based ethical views cannot be taken seriously, by any intelligent being.

    Further response to your comment would be pointless here. You swung at the pitch and ended up merely pitching your bat into the viewing stands.

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    Art, you are referring to custom, tradition, as being the supposed basis for ethics.

    Sorry - but it is YOU who mouth the current conventional tradition of abortion. It is your ethics that says take life.

    Old ethics and science says "do no harm." You say take life. Most humans do not want abortion in their personal lives.

    ...

    Reread my comment - I stated honest history and I pointed to science and logic for my arguments.

    Here is you. Your culturally based ethical views cannot be taken seriously, by any intelligent being.

    What - you just repeated your first comment - are you capable of some new argument? You feed us brainstem liberal convention - nothing more.

    Clearly you lack a working understanding of history, science, and logic.

    Reading your two comments - me thinks you are little more then a politically correct hack.
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  • War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @anon
    Chomsky is a Holocaust denier. The Cambodian Holocaust. He thought the witnesses were unreliable and it was all a plot to discredit communism . I think he is a piece of filth and all his subsequent writings are just as false , wrong and dangerous.

    Anon

    You are full of s…..t. I’ll only concentrate on Cambodia. Since I actually read Chomsky and Herman’s books-essays on Cambodia….Chomsky never denied that something terrible was happening. What he did say was that based upon the available evidence a the time that when Pol Pot was on a Khmer revenge rampage, one couldn’t state definitively that 1)the numbers being put out by certain members of the media were accurate and 2)why did the media go along with accepting uncritically what turned out to be inflated numbers?….

    Chomksy and Herman were making a point about the Western propaganda system at the time. And their point was this:the inflated number of victims of Pol Pot was an attempt to retroactively justify the US invasion and destruction of Vietnam, and the massive bombing of Cambodia(and the Plain of Jars in Laos)of the Khmer population that resulted in the rise of the Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. Interestingly, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote an essay…The Journal Granta….exonerating Noam Chomsky of the charge that Noam Chomsky was an apologist for Pol Pot.

    It is interesting to note that “anti-war” ((( US Congressman))) Steven Solarz was Pol Pot’s best friend in the (((US Congress)))…Solarz went on to lead the war from the lap top bombers-chikenhawk-warhawk Central Command…Charlie Rose Show….against Saddam Hussien. There is a direct line from the exaggerated atrocity numbers attributed to War Criminal Pol Pot right through to the bombing of the Serbian Civilian Population-gross exaggeration of Serbian atrocities and totally ignoring Bosnian Muslim atrocities against the Serbian Christian Population in Bosnia. Samantha Powers made a career out of promoting “humanitarian” interventions-like the one in the Ukraine where Samantha Powers’ beloved Maidan Neo-Nazis have slaughtered thousands of Conservative Orthodox Christian Russians in the Eastern Ukraine.

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    Also the US refused to recognize the Vietnamese-backed government that replaced the Khmer Rouge.
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  • @Eric Zuesse
    Progressivism doesn't bring "taxpayer funded abortions" nor "a black market fetal tissue and organ business." Your definition of "progressive" is very different from mine, but I won't define it in a reader-comment, because defining what I mean by "progressive" takes a full-length book, which I am working on. However, FDR was a great President from a progressive's viewpoint; so, the history of his Presidency is a fair approximation to what a progressive President does in office. Abraham Lincoln was another great President, from a progressive viewpoint.

    Regarding the issue of abortion, however, I would say that a progressive doesn't think of a two-celled human zygote as having any more consciousness (and certainly no more misery or joy or pain or pleasure) than a stone does; and, so, the idea of conservatives -- that "the right to life" starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism -- is not accepted by us: for such an organism as that, there is no "right" and there is no "wrong," and therefore the moralisms of conservatives regarding that are rejected and are viewed as being plain false.

    Regarding the issue of abortion, however, I would say that a progressive doesn’t think of a two-celled human zygote as having any more consciousness (and certainly no more misery or joy or pain or pleasure) than a stone does; and, so, the idea of conservatives — that “the right to life” starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism — is not accepted by us

    First – that is pure political speak – few people prior to the political push of the 60’s, thought that abortion was anything other than taking a life. It was correctly seen as a wrong by most everyone. Depending on the gestation period – is an abortion the same as taking the life of a grown human person – NO. Never the less, an abortion places an automatic well-deserved negative mark in the subconscious mind that never goes away. Abortion clinics are the saddest places on the planet. The reason for the sadness is obvious – it is wrong.

    Two points. “No consciousness.” A major attribute of the word “consciousness” – is the “notion of awareness” by one entity of another entity. There are various decrees of intellectual awareness, biological awareness, and physical awareness. When an egg and a sperm come together and become one – it attaches itself to its mother’s womb. From this time forward the mother’s physiology is aware of the of this new being. The mothers body is conscious of the new growing being. And the new being is chemically aware of what the mother feeds it. This new thing is not a stone – it is an interactive biological being. A life has started – period. There is no other intellectually honest explanation.

    Lastly, “the right to life” starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism — is not accepted by us.”

    This is intellectually dishonest because it ignores the reality of how the universe works. One of the greatest truisms of science is that everything has a beginning and a likely ending. Unquestionably this is true of biological entities. A biological life is a continuum of growth and decline. Ignoring a certain part of that growth is intellectually dishonest. When an egg and sperm come together a new unique identity is formed – that identity evolves until death. To not intellectually honor its beginning is wrong.

    Labeling the beginning of new human life “equivalent to a stone” – is pseudo intellectual babble – it is gutter politics.

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    Art, you are referring to custom, tradition, as being the supposed basis for ethics.

    You say, "few people prior to the political push of the 60’s, thought that abortion was anything other than taking a life. It was correctly seen as a wrong by most everyone."

    Few people in 1700 considered slavery to be ethically wrong; even fewer thought that it was so wrong it should be outlawed.

    Few people in Saudi Arabia consider it to be unethical, even today.

    Your culturally based ethical views cannot be taken seriously, by any intelligent being.

    Further response to your comment would be pointless here. You swung at the pitch and ended up merely pitching your bat into the viewing stands.
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  • @GW
    Well someone in a coma doesn't have consciousness. And we wouldn't allow a murderer off the hook just because he killed his victim in a way that brought no pain or misery or suffering. The moral worth of a person goes beyond reducible features such as self-consciousness or pain awareness--if a person has moral worth at all it is because he due to some inherent reason(s).

    Progressives may decry the "moralism" of the right, but they have no foundation on which to base their worldview. Why is suffering "bad" for instance? You can't take this as self-evident--many sociopaths don't see it that way.

    Once an organism possesses consciousness, its conscious life has begun, and it possesses rights.

    A plant can reasonably be assumed not to be conscious, and therefore not to possess any rights to protect. A rock has none. either. A human zygote has none, either. However, after the foetus is around 20 weeks old, it starts to possess consciousness and therefore to have some rights to protect. Until that point in time, only the mother does, and the state, the government, has no right to intervene.

    Regarding a comatose person, there is a medical decision that must be made as to whether the likelihood is that the coma will inevitably end in death. If that’s the case, then it’s reasonable to pull the plug. Otherwise not necessarily.

    You ask “Why is suffering bad,” and I respond that only positive emotion possesses ultimate positive value, and only negative emotion possesses ultimate negative value. All value is ultimately reducible to the realm of emotions, which constitute a category of consciousness. (In addition to emotions, there are sensations, and also thoughts. A person consists of a body, plus its sensations, thoughts, and emotions.) Once there is no reasonable expectation that consciousness will be restored to a body, that body is a corpse. However, value isn’t based on the either/or of life/death, but instead on the emotions, which are either positive (happy) or negative (sad) in some degree of intensity and type.

    We purchase things when we assume that they’ll bring us more happiness than the sadness of their cost. All of our conscious motivated behavior is directed at maximizing the things that make us happy, and minimizing the things that make us sad. Every person’s consciousness is the same in that basic respect. This is why each person has the same basic rights as each other person does.

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    "We purchase things when we assume that they’ll bring us more happiness than the sadness of their cost. " - Explaining the essence of human nature in the age of consumerism. Philosophy 101 for Americans, right?
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  • I feel for his supporters. First he said Clinton was NOT qualified and suddenly ,She is the only one qualified? Bernie Sellout.

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  • @Eric Zuesse
    Progressivism doesn't bring "taxpayer funded abortions" nor "a black market fetal tissue and organ business." Your definition of "progressive" is very different from mine, but I won't define it in a reader-comment, because defining what I mean by "progressive" takes a full-length book, which I am working on. However, FDR was a great President from a progressive's viewpoint; so, the history of his Presidency is a fair approximation to what a progressive President does in office. Abraham Lincoln was another great President, from a progressive viewpoint.

    Regarding the issue of abortion, however, I would say that a progressive doesn't think of a two-celled human zygote as having any more consciousness (and certainly no more misery or joy or pain or pleasure) than a stone does; and, so, the idea of conservatives -- that "the right to life" starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism -- is not accepted by us: for such an organism as that, there is no "right" and there is no "wrong," and therefore the moralisms of conservatives regarding that are rejected and are viewed as being plain false.

    Well someone in a coma doesn’t have consciousness. And we wouldn’t allow a murderer off the hook just because he killed his victim in a way that brought no pain or misery or suffering. The moral worth of a person goes beyond reducible features such as self-consciousness or pain awareness–if a person has moral worth at all it is because he due to some inherent reason(s).

    Progressives may decry the “moralism” of the right, but they have no foundation on which to base their worldview. Why is suffering “bad” for instance? You can’t take this as self-evident–many sociopaths don’t see it that way.

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    Once an organism possesses consciousness, its conscious life has begun, and it possesses rights.

    A plant can reasonably be assumed not to be conscious, and therefore not to possess any rights to protect. A rock has none. either. A human zygote has none, either. However, after the foetus is around 20 weeks old, it starts to possess consciousness and therefore to have some rights to protect. Until that point in time, only the mother does, and the state, the government, has no right to intervene.

    Regarding a comatose person, there is a medical decision that must be made as to whether the likelihood is that the coma will inevitably end in death. If that's the case, then it's reasonable to pull the plug. Otherwise not necessarily.

    You ask "Why is suffering bad," and I respond that only positive emotion possesses ultimate positive value, and only negative emotion possesses ultimate negative value. All value is ultimately reducible to the realm of emotions, which constitute a category of consciousness. (In addition to emotions, there are sensations, and also thoughts. A person consists of a body, plus its sensations, thoughts, and emotions.) Once there is no reasonable expectation that consciousness will be restored to a body, that body is a corpse. However, value isn't based on the either/or of life/death, but instead on the emotions, which are either positive (happy) or negative (sad) in some degree of intensity and type.

    We purchase things when we assume that they'll bring us more happiness than the sadness of their cost. All of our conscious motivated behavior is directed at maximizing the things that make us happy, and minimizing the things that make us sad. Every person's consciousness is the same in that basic respect. This is why each person has the same basic rights as each other person does.
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  • Chomsky is a Holocaust denier. The Cambodian Holocaust. He thought the witnesses were unreliable and it was all a plot to discredit communism . I think he is a piece of filth and all his subsequent writings are just as false , wrong and dangerous.

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    Anon

    You are full of s.....t. I'll only concentrate on Cambodia. Since I actually read Chomsky and Herman's books-essays on Cambodia....Chomsky never denied that something terrible was happening. What he did say was that based upon the available evidence a the time that when Pol Pot was on a Khmer revenge rampage, one couldn't state definitively that 1)the numbers being put out by certain members of the media were accurate and 2)why did the media go along with accepting uncritically what turned out to be inflated numbers?....


    Chomksy and Herman were making a point about the Western propaganda system at the time. And their point was this:the inflated number of victims of Pol Pot was an attempt to retroactively justify the US invasion and destruction of Vietnam, and the massive bombing of Cambodia(and the Plain of Jars in Laos)of the Khmer population that resulted in the rise of the Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge. Interestingly, the late Christopher Hitchens wrote an essay...The Journal Granta....exonerating Noam Chomsky of the charge that Noam Chomsky was an apologist for Pol Pot.


    It is interesting to note that "anti-war" ((( US Congressman))) Steven Solarz was Pol Pot's best friend in the (((US Congress)))...Solarz went on to lead the war from the lap top bombers-chikenhawk-warhawk Central Command...Charlie Rose Show....against Saddam Hussien. There is a direct line from the exaggerated atrocity numbers attributed to War Criminal Pol Pot right through to the bombing of the Serbian Civilian Population-gross exaggeration of Serbian atrocities and totally ignoring Bosnian Muslim atrocities against the Serbian Christian Population in Bosnia. Samantha Powers made a career out of promoting "humanitarian" interventions-like the one in the Ukraine where Samantha Powers' beloved Maidan Neo-Nazis have slaughtered thousands of Conservative Orthodox Christian Russians in the Eastern Ukraine.
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  • @Outwest
    Plane contrails are merely water produced when jet fuel is combusted. Check the B-17 and B-24 WW2 contrails at high altitude where it’s cold.

    The Towers featured a new construction in which the strength of the building was in the core rather than in the walls. The walls were self-supporting when stabilized by beam structures radiating out to the walls. What failed in the towers were the supporting beams which, in turn, allowed the walls to fail under the weight from stories above. Once one story failed it pancaked the successive floors like some demolition.

    I don’t know if Building 7 was of the same construction. But I’m sure that it is atypical to allow a building to smolder for so long without fighting the fire.

    Don’t we have enough real problems without this crap.

    Since I see you have civil engineering in your finger tip explain why the core, yes that core: “the strength of the building was in the core rather than in the walls” also pancaked?

    “But I’m sure that it is atypical to allow a building to smolder for so long without fighting the fire.”

    The One Meridian Plaza Fire

    One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss. It was later described by Philadelphia officials as “the most significant fire in this century”.

    Caracas Tower Fire

    The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters.

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    Not a civil engineer –I just read a bit. The old Chicago-style skyscraper was of a steel frame with largely curtain exterior walls. The steel frame was protected by thick asbestos layers that afforded long lasting heat protection. If even an old style building such as you cited were hit by a large airplane (bigger than a B-25) there’s a good probability that the asbestos coating would be abraded from the steel by the plane.

    I suspect that asbestos is now is disfavor and, of course, they don’t build them like they used to.
    But, of course, believe what you want. This is America.
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  • Plane contrails are merely water produced when jet fuel is combusted. Check the B-17 and B-24 WW2 contrails at high altitude where it’s cold.

    The Towers featured a new construction in which the strength of the building was in the core rather than in the walls. The walls were self-supporting when stabilized by beam structures radiating out to the walls. What failed in the towers were the supporting beams which, in turn, allowed the walls to fail under the weight from stories above. Once one story failed it pancaked the successive floors like some demolition.

    I don’t know if Building 7 was of the same construction. But I’m sure that it is atypical to allow a building to smolder for so long without fighting the fire.

    Don’t we have enough real problems without this crap.

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    Since I see you have civil engineering in your finger tip explain why the core, yes that core: "the strength of the building was in the core rather than in the walls" also pancaked?

    "But I’m sure that it is atypical to allow a building to smolder for so long without fighting the fire."

    The One Meridian Plaza Fire

    One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss. It was later described by Philadelphia officials as "the most significant fire in this century".

    Caracas Tower Fire

    The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters.
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  • I’m pleased to see this, even though I still think it is useful to vote for Stein in states Trump is unlikely to carry (the opposite of the Chomsky view) because it would be better in the long run for a stronger left alternative. I agree that the Harpy is a fascist fraud and a threat to survival, and that Trump’s positions are actually to the left of hers in the key areas of “trade” (actually sovereignty versus corporate control) and militarism. Her record of corruption should be enough to preclude her winning. Only the fact the media are acting as a “ministry of truth” portraying Trump as a lunatic or clown is keeping her in the lead. Phony posturing by quisling Muslim lawyers also helped. It is significant that a known progressive such as Zuesse has come out for reality in this instance. We’ll see if things are too far gone for the harpy to be stopped. I think quite a few won’t actually admit they’re for Trump because of the political correctness and extent of propaganda power on behalf of the Clintons. She is a known fraud and the dynasty was a hostile takeover of the democratic party which must be reversed. In my view, survival “trumps” political correctness, and I can see that many of Trump’s problems are based on the fact he is not really a right winger.

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  • @Eric
    Eric,

    You're obviously a smart guy. I don't have time to read all of your verbosity, but I got the gist.

    Why do you see "progressivism" as a categorically good thing? It brought us taxpayer funded abortion and a black market fetal tissue and organ business. Why the disdain for the pro-lifers? We only see that life begins at conception and should be held sacred, or at least that abortion is not a Constitutionally-supported action.

    Eric

    Progressivism doesn’t bring “taxpayer funded abortions” nor “a black market fetal tissue and organ business.” Your definition of “progressive” is very different from mine, but I won’t define it in a reader-comment, because defining what I mean by “progressive” takes a full-length book, which I am working on. However, FDR was a great President from a progressive’s viewpoint; so, the history of his Presidency is a fair approximation to what a progressive President does in office. Abraham Lincoln was another great President, from a progressive viewpoint.

    Regarding the issue of abortion, however, I would say that a progressive doesn’t think of a two-celled human zygote as having any more consciousness (and certainly no more misery or joy or pain or pleasure) than a stone does; and, so, the idea of conservatives — that “the right to life” starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism — is not accepted by us: for such an organism as that, there is no “right” and there is no “wrong,” and therefore the moralisms of conservatives regarding that are rejected and are viewed as being plain false.

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    Well someone in a coma doesn't have consciousness. And we wouldn't allow a murderer off the hook just because he killed his victim in a way that brought no pain or misery or suffering. The moral worth of a person goes beyond reducible features such as self-consciousness or pain awareness--if a person has moral worth at all it is because he due to some inherent reason(s).

    Progressives may decry the "moralism" of the right, but they have no foundation on which to base their worldview. Why is suffering "bad" for instance? You can't take this as self-evident--many sociopaths don't see it that way.
    , @Art

    Regarding the issue of abortion, however, I would say that a progressive doesn’t think of a two-celled human zygote as having any more consciousness (and certainly no more misery or joy or pain or pleasure) than a stone does; and, so, the idea of conservatives — that “the right to life” starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism — is not accepted by us
     
    First – that is pure political speak – few people prior to the political push of the 60’s, thought that abortion was anything other than taking a life. It was correctly seen as a wrong by most everyone. Depending on the gestation period – is an abortion the same as taking the life of a grown human person – NO. Never the less, an abortion places an automatic well-deserved negative mark in the subconscious mind that never goes away. Abortion clinics are the saddest places on the planet. The reason for the sadness is obvious – it is wrong.

    Two points. “No consciousness.” A major attribute of the word “consciousness” – is the "notion of awareness" by one entity of another entity. There are various decrees of intellectual awareness, biological awareness, and physical awareness. When an egg and a sperm come together and become one – it attaches itself to its mother’s womb. From this time forward the mother’s physiology is aware of the of this new being. The mothers body is conscious of the new growing being. And the new being is chemically aware of what the mother feeds it. This new thing is not a stone – it is an interactive biological being. A life has started - period. There is no other intellectually honest explanation.

    Lastly, “the right to life” starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism — is not accepted by us.”

    This is intellectually dishonest because it ignores the reality of how the universe works. One of the greatest truisms of science is that everything has a beginning and a likely ending. Unquestionably this is true of biological entities. A biological life is a continuum of growth and decline. Ignoring a certain part of that growth is intellectually dishonest. When an egg and sperm come together a new unique identity is formed – that identity evolves until death. To not intellectually honor its beginning is wrong.

    Labeling the beginning of new human life “equivalent to a stone” - is pseudo intellectual babble – it is gutter politics.

    , @Anonymous
    The error must be on my part regarding progressivism, but I see that ThinkProgress.com and it's affiliate organization celebrate the gradual removal of the term pro-life, replaced by anti-choice. In contemporary parlance, never mind those of the past, this is thought of as progress.

    You make a good point with the zygote issue, however my main problem is that the determination of what constitutes life is subjected to judicial determination not popular (state) determination. Hence the loss of freedom for ALL of us, regardless which position we support.

    Anyway, thanks for your piece and response which both took some chutzpah, GO TRUMP!

    (I don't think a lot of milenials will read it though.)
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  • Trump wants to increase military spending. Except in a Newspeak sense, that’s not a peace candidate.

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  • @LondonBob
    Reading far too many supposed antiwar lefties, former Sanders supporters, beginning to justify voting Hillary. Unacceptable, no principles at all. By all means sit it out if you must, you don't have to vote Trump, but to actively vote for Hillary when there is no pretence about who she is and what her policies will be, shameful.

    Don’t you know it is not possible to shame a leftist? They have no morals and therefore no shame. I’m not being facetious, it is a fact.

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  • @Boris

    Trump is, if anything, too honest for his own good.
     
    lol.

    it also shows that Trump is no conservative when the issue is global warming.
     
    Trump thinks climate change is a hoax create by the Chinese. Come on.

    Trump, if he wins, will pull the Republican Party toward the “peace and justice” left
     

    This is delusional. Trump wants to kill the relatives of terrorists. That's well to the right of the Republican party.

    The author really hates Hillary and it's clearly clouding his judgment. Bernie knows who the better candidate is.

    Trump wants to kill the relatives of terrorists.

    You are the one who is delusional. Trump is a realist. Not a single thing we have done so far has stopped or even slowed down terrorists. Family is everything to muslims. By making the cost of their terrorism too high for them by targeting their families if they commit a terrorist act it will reduce or even end terrorism. When terrorists know that their act will kill their families most of them won’t do it. Trump knows this, you apparently can’t figure it out.

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    This plan is idiotic. It creates more terrorists and is immoral.
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  • “Why Sanders Supporters Should Vote for Trump”

    Correction:

    “Why Sanders Supporters Should Vote for Johnson”

    Sanders voters are closer to libertarians then Trumpism.

    Trump has attacked big lobbyists – not the big money or big banks per say.

    p.s. I have supported Trump – but he has fouled his own nest with his meanness and conceit. Too bad for America – his promise is fallow!

    p.s. At least make a statement – protest with your vote – vote Johnson/Weld.

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  • Eric,

    You’re obviously a smart guy. I don’t have time to read all of your verbosity, but I got the gist.

    Why do you see “progressivism” as a categorically good thing? It brought us taxpayer funded abortion and a black market fetal tissue and organ business. Why the disdain for the pro-lifers? We only see that life begins at conception and should be held sacred, or at least that abortion is not a Constitutionally-supported action.

    Eric

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    Progressivism doesn't bring "taxpayer funded abortions" nor "a black market fetal tissue and organ business." Your definition of "progressive" is very different from mine, but I won't define it in a reader-comment, because defining what I mean by "progressive" takes a full-length book, which I am working on. However, FDR was a great President from a progressive's viewpoint; so, the history of his Presidency is a fair approximation to what a progressive President does in office. Abraham Lincoln was another great President, from a progressive viewpoint.

    Regarding the issue of abortion, however, I would say that a progressive doesn't think of a two-celled human zygote as having any more consciousness (and certainly no more misery or joy or pain or pleasure) than a stone does; and, so, the idea of conservatives -- that "the right to life" starts prior to there even being any consciousness in an organism -- is not accepted by us: for such an organism as that, there is no "right" and there is no "wrong," and therefore the moralisms of conservatives regarding that are rejected and are viewed as being plain false.
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  • @fnn
    But it's curious that he makes the odd claim that the Israel Lobby is just another lobby like the American Dairy Association and that the motivations for the Iraq War had nothing to do with Israel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_LygPVxY8A

    http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=7

    IDK how Chomsky got into this, but thanks for the entrée.

    LEGAL CASE FILED: STOP US $$ TO ISRAEL
    August 8, 2016, Grant Smith, director of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRMEP), filed a lawsuit that challenges U.S. foreign aid to Israel. The lawsuit claims that US aid to Israel is illegal under a law passed in the 1970s that prohibits aid to nuclear powers that don’t sign the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

    http://www.irmep.org/

    Six minute YouTube supports lawsuit…

    Lawsuit: US foreign aid to Israel is illegal

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  • The answer to that is: Trump recognizes “that the government, and not private decision-making, should determine the structure of the economy,”

    No, I doubt this is the reason as much as Trump does not think billionaires should “gambl(e) with the money of depositors — gambling with depositors’ checking accounts and savings accounts.” As a developer and businessman, Trump has had plenty of dealings with bankers over the years and he knows they are crooks.

    This article is an excellent sales piece for Trump and his policies. I am surprised it has been published because it is well researched and shows that Trump is much more well versed in foreign affairs than the LLSM wants voters to know, which is why they never report on it or broadcast what he says – just their lying interpretations.

    Very good article!

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  • Reading far too many supposed antiwar lefties, former Sanders supporters, beginning to justify voting Hillary. Unacceptable, no principles at all. By all means sit it out if you must, you don’t have to vote Trump, but to actively vote for Hillary when there is no pretence about who she is and what her policies will be, shameful.

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    Don't you know it is not possible to shame a leftist? They have no morals and therefore no shame. I'm not being facetious, it is a fact.
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  • @Eric Zuesse
    "Hillary ... is basically Dick Cheney in drag" is the funniest truth I've run into in a long time! Thanks for it!!

    (Maybe it's a truth that has legs. But how about my own "Hillary Clinton is the Democrats' Richard Nixon"? Does that have longer legs? Is it equally true?)

    “Hillary … is basically Dick Cheney in drag” is the funniest truth I’ve run into in a long time! Thanks for it!!

    (Maybe it’s a truth that has legs. But how about my own “Hillary Clinton is the Democrats’ Richard Nixon”? Does that have longer legs? Is it equally true?)

    They’re both great and equally true. Let me join the chorus of thanks for this excellent, well thought out article. I would have preferred to vote for Bernie but will happily vote for Trump, he’s simply the other side of the same populist movement coin. I’m trying to convince other Bernie supporters to do the same, but man is it an uphill battle. This article will help (the only other one I could find like this featured a progressive Bernie supporter portraying the decision to vote for Trump as being an animal chewing its own leg off to get out of a trap, not the most optimistic of imagery).

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  • @War for Blair Mountain
    Noam Chomsky:"Trump is a threat to the Human Species".



    Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain:Noam Chomsky is waging ((( hyperthnic))) warfare against The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority...


    Noam Chomsky=GREEDY CHEATING (((RICH GUY)))

    Dr. Chomsky is a Crypto Zionist.

    Noam Chomsky, although, is a strong critic of US foreign policy – but he has never supported armed struggle against Israel. He also favors the so-called ‘two-state’ solution and believes in Israel’s right to exist as ‘Jewish state’. Chomsky never publically questioned the Zionist version of the holocaust (‘Six Million Died’). Chomsky is against academic boycott of Israel. Chomsky doesn’t believe that the US foreign policy is controlled by the Jewish groups especially the AIPAC. Chomsky also doesn’t like Israel being compared with the apartheid South Africa…..

    Roger Tucker, Jew Editor/Publisher of “One Democratic State” website – in an article, entitled “Open Letter to Uri Avnery, Noam Chomsky and Jimmy Carter”, claimed that none of them is friend to Palestinian victims of the foreign Zionist Jew settlers because in fact they themselves are ‘Crypto-Zionists’ hiding behind the facade of ‘humanism’.

    According to Roger Tucker the so-called “Two state solution” supporters are a bunch of odd bedfellows. It has Uri Avnery’s Gush shalom along with hardcore Israeli Zionist government officials, the ‘Israel-First’ American neocons, Republicans, the Christian Zionists, the puppet Fatah (Mahmoud Abbas) unelected government and somewhat reluctant European nations.

    “Noam Chomsky’s analyses of Israeli-Palestinian conflict and shifting sands of the Middle East has been non-parcel. And yet he is another closet Zionist (like Uri Avnery and Jimmy Carter). What a shame,” wrote Roger Tucker.

    Avram Noam Chomsky (b. 1928) is child of committed Zionist parents. His father William Chomsky was a Jew immigrant from Ukraine while his mother Elsie Chomsky was from Belarus. In his early career as a writer, Noam chomsky was honored by pro-Israel Jewish groups for being the US, top author. Chomsky even lived in a Jewish settlement (kibbutz) in 1953 – built on the land stolen from Palestinian Muslim owners. He recalled his experience at the kibbutz “extremely attractive” and “I probably would have lived there myself – for how long, it hard to guess”.

    https://rehmat1.com/2010/07/24/chomsky-a-crypto-zionist/

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  • @Catilina
    Remarkable. You actually believe that Trump's policy statements -- if not actual lies -- won't change the minute he sees profit in doing something else?

    The Donald cares about The Donald. Oh, he might also care about his children. But he certainly doesn't care about anyone else's.

    Wanting Sanders (who seems like a principled, caring person) and voting for Trump instead is beyond strange. It's like being so upset that you can't get a certain pair of shoes that you plan to shoot your own toes off.

    You actually believe Hillary’s current policy-statements? Of course not. Why then do you ask this question of Trump’s?

    Hillary has an actual record in public office. Trump does not.

    Her record in public office is consistent, in each of these ten matters: it is horrific!

    Trump is a zero, on his record in public office, while she is a minus 95 on a scale from -100 to +100. I’ll eagerly choose the 0, in preference to a -95 (and that’s being generous to Hillary)!

    Furthermore: Whereas Hillary has been consistent against single-payer, Trump’s only statement that’s even marginally about it is positive.

    Whereas Hillary has been consistent on provoking Russia to war, Trump has (thus far) had the courage to oppose that, consistently.

    We are given two practical choices in the U.S. Presidential election. It’s an easy one for me to make.

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  • War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    Donald Trump is very bad on Iran. Donald Trump’s bellicosity towards Iran is AIPAC bellicosity towards Iran.

    It was announced today that Iran will allow Russia to land Russian fighter jets and Bombers at an Iranian Air Base. Hillary Clinton is going to bait Donald Trump on this very soon. I fully expect Donald Trump to announce very soon:”Russian fighter Jets-Bombers-Cruise Missiles at Hamadi Airbase unacceptable!!!!”….You have ben warned about Trump….

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  • Remarkable. You actually believe that Trump’s policy statements — if not actual lies — won’t change the minute he sees profit in doing something else?

    The Donald cares about The Donald. Oh, he might also care about his children. But he certainly doesn’t care about anyone else’s.

    Wanting Sanders (who seems like a principled, caring person) and voting for Trump instead is beyond strange. It’s like being so upset that you can’t get a certain pair of shoes that you plan to shoot your own toes off.

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    You actually believe Hillary's current policy-statements? Of course not. Why then do you ask this question of Trump's?

    Hillary has an actual record in public office. Trump does not.

    Her record in public office is consistent, in each of these ten matters: it is horrific!

    Trump is a zero, on his record in public office, while she is a minus 95 on a scale from -100 to +100. I'll eagerly choose the 0, in preference to a -95 (and that's being generous to Hillary)!

    Furthermore: Whereas Hillary has been consistent against single-payer, Trump's only statement that's even marginally about it is positive.

    Whereas Hillary has been consistent on provoking Russia to war, Trump has (thus far) had the courage to oppose that, consistently.

    We are given two practical choices in the U.S. Presidential election. It's an easy one for me to make.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    "Even that is very mild compared to WWII and Korean War area bombing when US was exterminating the populations of entire cities because of their political leadership."

    True, all too true. I just finished reading "Advance to Barbarism" by F.J.P. Veale. It is a book documenting the decision made by the British High Command in WW2 to bomb civilian targets in Germany. You read that correctly; civilian targets such as working class suburbs. As proof he cites actual Cabinet level records which were finally made public in 1960 or so. This was cold blooded murder of innocents.

    "Innocents?" you say? "But isn't everyone a fair target in war?". The answer is "NO". And he backs this up by examining the European wars from 1700 to 1900. They were fought by professional armies acting on behalf of Europe's royal houses. Strategic aims were strictly limited to reducing the enemies fortresses or armies in the field. Convention prohibited warfare against civilian populations, which conventions eventually became codified in the Hague convention enacted in 1899.

    But more was to follow in the Nuremberg Trials. In these, every established rule of Law as practiced in civilized countries of the West, was subverted. Rules of evidence, statements by witnesses, right to attorney, statements of clear charges and so on were ignored. The defendants were charged with having violated Laws which didn't even exist at the time they were supposed to have committed the "crime". But, most despicably, enemy Generals et al were treated as criminals simply because they had fought on the losing side. Contrast this with Lincoln's and Grant's treatment of the Confederate Generals.

    And of course, in the wake of the war, Germany was raped and looted and many innocent citizens and former soldiers were starved to death.

    This lawlessness by the American, British and especially Soviet authorities opened the Pandora's Box of indiscriminate warfare that we see today--from strafing and bombing civilians in Viet Nam to today's drone strikes. In repudiating the "civilized, limited" war of the previous centuries, we have set a terrible precedent. We will regret it.

    By the way, it's a damn good book and well worth the read. Look in the mirror and see yourself as you truly are.

    The part I left out.

    The precedent established by the Nuremberg trial is important because the basic MO can and will be used against any enemy of Britain and America viz. Saddam Hussein.

    And here’s my prediction.

    If Hillary is elected, then nearly everyone who posts on this site or similar sites will, within the next 20 years, be hauled in front of a tribunal, confronted with archived evidence of crimes against the revolution and either sentenced to “reeducation” in a penal concentration camp or hung.

    Don’t laugh. The precedent has been established. You will be charged with having broken a law that is not even currently on the books.

    (I say “nearly” because part of the purpose of these sites is to draw the bugs out of the woodwork, and some involved in its making and commenting are controlled opposition)

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    "I say “nearly” because part of the purpose of these sites is to draw the bugs out of the woodwork, and some involved in its making and commenting are controlled opposition."

    You might be right. The future is very bleak.
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  • @YT Wurlitzer
    Saw a beater car yesterday with Bernie 2016 and Trump bumper stickers in it. Trump has more to offer these voters than Hillary who is basically Dick Cheney in drag.

    “Hillary … is basically Dick Cheney in drag” is the funniest truth I’ve run into in a long time! Thanks for it!!

    (Maybe it’s a truth that has legs. But how about my own “Hillary Clinton is the Democrats’ Richard Nixon”? Does that have longer legs? Is it equally true?)

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    “Hillary … is basically Dick Cheney in drag” is the funniest truth I’ve run into in a long time! Thanks for it!!

    (Maybe it’s a truth that has legs. But how about my own “Hillary Clinton is the Democrats’ Richard Nixon”? Does that have longer legs? Is it equally true?)


    They're both great and equally true. Let me join the chorus of thanks for this excellent, well thought out article. I would have preferred to vote for Bernie but will happily vote for Trump, he's simply the other side of the same populist movement coin. I'm trying to convince other Bernie supporters to do the same, but man is it an uphill battle. This article will help (the only other one I could find like this featured a progressive Bernie supporter portraying the decision to vote for Trump as being an animal chewing its own leg off to get out of a trap, not the most optimistic of imagery).
    , @Cletus Rothschild
    "But how about my own “Hillary Clinton is the Democrats’ Richard Nixon”?"

    The way I've been putting is "Hillary Clinton is Richard Nixon with ovaries".
    , @YT Wurlitzer
    Equally true although we could go on with the 'Hillary is x in drag' motif. I have also used Kissinger as x as Hillary at State was comparable to him. The better point is why should ovary voters support her given the track record of women in power? If women are alleged to be voting concerns such as peace, child care, education, healthcare and such, then what are we to make of Albright, Condileeza Rice, Susan Rice, Samantha Powers and Hillary as Kissinger?

    We can contrast the war record of ovaries in power with marshmellows like Claire McCaskill, who sits up and rolls over for Obama. This ovary power type fills the gang marm roll of devotion to her man's cause whether its Ros-Lehtinen of Florida or the MO marshmellow.

    The record shows that Hillary as x in drag is what ovary voters will get, not the transformation of power into something kinder and gentler.
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  • Saw a beater car yesterday with Bernie 2016 and Trump bumper stickers in it. Trump has more to offer these voters than Hillary who is basically Dick Cheney in drag.

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    "Hillary ... is basically Dick Cheney in drag" is the funniest truth I've run into in a long time! Thanks for it!!

    (Maybe it's a truth that has legs. But how about my own "Hillary Clinton is the Democrats' Richard Nixon"? Does that have longer legs? Is it equally true?)

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  • No Sander supporter will read this unless the author gets it down to 140 characters.

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  • Trump has said several times he “likes” affirmative action. AA is the major problem for Whites.
    If we could compete on an equal basis for jobs, SBA loans government contacts we would be ok
    Government and education are the biggest employer and those are no Whites need apply employers. By federal law all government contracts can go only to firms that have 51 percent non White employees. Airports, harbors, schools hospitals bridge and road building, any entity that gets any kind of government funding or even licenses cannot hire a firm that has less than 51 percent non Whites.
    Presidents have a free hand in foreign affairs. But domestically they are ruled by the thousands of non profit legal aid law firms and the rulings the legal non profits get from the anti White judges.
    I can’t see that a President Trump can do anything to help Whites

    Someone mentioned that White Drs and engineers will be ok because of their high IQs White women Drs maybe, but White American make Drs are disappearing

    White engineers? They have been replaced by Chinese and Indians. It’s not just the construction workers replaced by Mexicans. It’s the STEM workers replaced by Indians and Asians.

    Microsoft pays English teachers $80 an hour to teach English pronunciation to its polyglot employees. They all know English, sort of, but coming from so many countries and with their thick accents they cannot understand each other which leads to low productivity and all sorts of problems

    But will Microsoft hire American native speakers? Absolutely not

    Meanwhile the 20 something White American children of the White Americans who made Microsoft can’t get jobs in tech

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @fnn

    This is delusional. Trump wants to kill the relatives of terrorists. That’s well to the right of the Republican party.
     
    Obama does the same thing (and more) when he blows up wedding parties with drone strikes. Even that is very mild compared to WWII and Korean War area bombing when US was exterminating the populations of entire cities because of their political leadership.

    “Even that is very mild compared to WWII and Korean War area bombing when US was exterminating the populations of entire cities because of their political leadership.”

    True, all too true. I just finished reading “Advance to Barbarism” by F.J.P. Veale. It is a book documenting the decision made by the British High Command in WW2 to bomb civilian targets in Germany. You read that correctly; civilian targets such as working class suburbs. As proof he cites actual Cabinet level records which were finally made public in 1960 or so. This was cold blooded murder of innocents.

    “Innocents?” you say? “But isn’t everyone a fair target in war?”. The answer is “NO”. And he backs this up by examining the European wars from 1700 to 1900. They were fought by professional armies acting on behalf of Europe’s royal houses. Strategic aims were strictly limited to reducing the enemies fortresses or armies in the field. Convention prohibited warfare against civilian populations, which conventions eventually became codified in the Hague convention enacted in 1899.

    But more was to follow in the Nuremberg Trials. In these, every established rule of Law as practiced in civilized countries of the West, was subverted. Rules of evidence, statements by witnesses, right to attorney, statements of clear charges and so on were ignored. The defendants were charged with having violated Laws which didn’t even exist at the time they were supposed to have committed the “crime”. But, most despicably, enemy Generals et al were treated as criminals simply because they had fought on the losing side. Contrast this with Lincoln’s and Grant’s treatment of the Confederate Generals.

    And of course, in the wake of the war, Germany was raped and looted and many innocent citizens and former soldiers were starved to death.

    This lawlessness by the American, British and especially Soviet authorities opened the Pandora’s Box of indiscriminate warfare that we see today–from strafing and bombing civilians in Viet Nam to today’s drone strikes. In repudiating the “civilized, limited” war of the previous centuries, we have set a terrible precedent. We will regret it.

    By the way, it’s a damn good book and well worth the read. Look in the mirror and see yourself as you truly are.

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    The part I left out.

    The precedent established by the Nuremberg trial is important because the basic MO can and will be used against any enemy of Britain and America viz. Saddam Hussein.

    And here's my prediction.

    If Hillary is elected, then nearly everyone who posts on this site or similar sites will, within the next 20 years, be hauled in front of a tribunal, confronted with archived evidence of crimes against the revolution and either sentenced to "reeducation" in a penal concentration camp or hung.

    Don't laugh. The precedent has been established. You will be charged with having broken a law that is not even currently on the books.

    (I say "nearly" because part of the purpose of these sites is to draw the bugs out of the woodwork, and some involved in its making and commenting are controlled opposition)
    , @Wally
    Indeed, WWII 'history ' is The Big Lie'.

    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Jews have been marketing the '6,000,000' lie since 1869:

    http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/k598/WhiteWolf722/TheSixMillionMyth.jpg
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  • War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @fnn
    But it's curious that he makes the odd claim that the Israel Lobby is just another lobby like the American Dairy Association and that the motivations for the Iraq War had nothing to do with Israel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_LygPVxY8A

    http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=7

    I think what Chomsky is saying this is:Republican and Democratic Administrations have stood up to Israel and “US” Zionists. He may be right about this. Clearly Israel wanted the US..and still does..to commence a full-out bombing campaign of Iran followed by boots on the ground. This hasn’t happened….yet.

    Trump has been very bellicose towards Iran…if POTUS Trump bombs Iran, this will lead to war with Russia. I can see Trump becoming much more bellicose towards Iran in October. Just look a todays news:closer military co-operation between Russia and Iran regarding nuclear technology and Military technology.

    I for one will not give Trump a blank check. Trump’s tax policy is utterly regressive. Moreover, Trump wants to frack the Delaware River to death…I am going to kayak in Port Jervis this weekend along one of the most scenic 6 miles of US Rivers…the section that was used in that car commercial with the Bald Eagle scream.

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  • @biz
    If you think that Noam Chomsky has a lot of ethnic loyalty then you are not paying attention. He is one of the most prominent and widely cited haters of Israel out there, and he wrote the introduction to a Holocaust denial book in the 1970s.

    But it’s curious that he makes the odd claim that the Israel Lobby is just another lobby like the American Dairy Association and that the motivations for the Iraq War had nothing to do with Israel.

    http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=7

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    I think what Chomsky is saying this is:Republican and Democratic Administrations have stood up to Israel and "US" Zionists. He may be right about this. Clearly Israel wanted the US..and still does..to commence a full-out bombing campaign of Iran followed by boots on the ground. This hasn't happened....yet.


    Trump has been very bellicose towards Iran...if POTUS Trump bombs Iran, this will lead to war with Russia. I can see Trump becoming much more bellicose towards Iran in October. Just look a todays news:closer military co-operation between Russia and Iran regarding nuclear technology and Military technology.


    I for one will not give Trump a blank check. Trump's tax policy is utterly regressive. Moreover, Trump wants to frack the Delaware River to death...I am going to kayak in Port Jervis this weekend along one of the most scenic 6 miles of US Rivers...the section that was used in that car commercial with the Bald Eagle scream.
    , @RobinG
    IDK how Chomsky got into this, but thanks for the entrée.

    LEGAL CASE FILED: STOP US $$ TO ISRAEL
    August 8, 2016, Grant Smith, director of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRMEP), filed a lawsuit that challenges U.S. foreign aid to Israel. The lawsuit claims that US aid to Israel is illegal under a law passed in the 1970s that prohibits aid to nuclear powers that don’t sign the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
    http://www.irmep.org/

    Six minute YouTube supports lawsuit...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJKuj8MHE2s
    Lawsuit: US foreign aid to Israel is illegal
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  • @John V. Walsh
    A great piece, very useful for all the info it brings together in a highly organized way.
    Eric hit this one out of the park!
    I would add two things.
    First I spent many years working with the Green Party and Jill Stein in MA. I stopped because I reluctantly concluded they were going nowhere. Everything is much too PC, and they are unable to connect with the average American voter. For example, when they refer to the "duopoly," most think they are referring to the doowop singing of midcentury America. Jill herself is very honest, very committed, very well "educated" suburbanite - but she could not even win a state rep seat in MA when she ran for it. And in the gubernatorial races in MA she made no impact in the debates.

    Second, if I may, I also recommend the following and the links therein:
    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/20/trump-as-the-relative-peace-candidate/
    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/05/22/trumps-five-questions-on-us-foreign-policy/
    The Stephen F. Cohen weekly podcasts on the John Batchelor show on WABC radion in NYC referred to in the second piece are especially valuable.

    And thanks again, Eric Zuesse, for this fine piece.

    Thanks, John. As you know, we’re two horses pulling the same cart: intelligent progressivism. We’ll need more like two million of us, and then that cart could become the entire country.

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  • War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:
    @biz
    If you think that Noam Chomsky has a lot of ethnic loyalty then you are not paying attention. He is one of the most prominent and widely cited haters of Israel out there, and he wrote the introduction to a Holocaust denial book in the 1970s.

    A major critic of Israeli policy towards Palestinians who has stated publicly that he opposes the Right of Return of Palestinians because of the demographic consequences of the Palestinian Right of Return for Jewish Israel. Noam Chomsky is a rat who demands that The Historic Native Born White Christian Majority commit demographic suicide within the borders of America.

    Noam Chomsky=(((hyper-ethnic)))…on (((hyper_ethnic))) steroids.

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  • @Boris

    Trump is, if anything, too honest for his own good.
     
    lol.

    it also shows that Trump is no conservative when the issue is global warming.
     
    Trump thinks climate change is a hoax create by the Chinese. Come on.

    Trump, if he wins, will pull the Republican Party toward the “peace and justice” left
     

    This is delusional. Trump wants to kill the relatives of terrorists. That's well to the right of the Republican party.

    The author really hates Hillary and it's clearly clouding his judgment. Bernie knows who the better candidate is.

    This is delusional. Trump wants to kill the relatives of terrorists. That’s well to the right of the Republican party.

    Obama does the same thing (and more) when he blows up wedding parties with drone strikes. Even that is very mild compared to WWII and Korean War area bombing when US was exterminating the populations of entire cities because of their political leadership.

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    "Even that is very mild compared to WWII and Korean War area bombing when US was exterminating the populations of entire cities because of their political leadership."

    True, all too true. I just finished reading "Advance to Barbarism" by F.J.P. Veale. It is a book documenting the decision made by the British High Command in WW2 to bomb civilian targets in Germany. You read that correctly; civilian targets such as working class suburbs. As proof he cites actual Cabinet level records which were finally made public in 1960 or so. This was cold blooded murder of innocents.

    "Innocents?" you say? "But isn't everyone a fair target in war?". The answer is "NO". And he backs this up by examining the European wars from 1700 to 1900. They were fought by professional armies acting on behalf of Europe's royal houses. Strategic aims were strictly limited to reducing the enemies fortresses or armies in the field. Convention prohibited warfare against civilian populations, which conventions eventually became codified in the Hague convention enacted in 1899.

    But more was to follow in the Nuremberg Trials. In these, every established rule of Law as practiced in civilized countries of the West, was subverted. Rules of evidence, statements by witnesses, right to attorney, statements of clear charges and so on were ignored. The defendants were charged with having violated Laws which didn't even exist at the time they were supposed to have committed the "crime". But, most despicably, enemy Generals et al were treated as criminals simply because they had fought on the losing side. Contrast this with Lincoln's and Grant's treatment of the Confederate Generals.

    And of course, in the wake of the war, Germany was raped and looted and many innocent citizens and former soldiers were starved to death.

    This lawlessness by the American, British and especially Soviet authorities opened the Pandora's Box of indiscriminate warfare that we see today--from strafing and bombing civilians in Viet Nam to today's drone strikes. In repudiating the "civilized, limited" war of the previous centuries, we have set a terrible precedent. We will regret it.

    By the way, it's a damn good book and well worth the read. Look in the mirror and see yourself as you truly are.
    , @Boris

    Obama does the same thing (and more) when he blows up wedding parties with drone strikes.
     
    This is a false equivalence. You can be against drones strikes, but it's clear that Obama isn't targeting relatives as a means of deterring terrorists.
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  • @Jacques Sheete
    Israel, despite the propaganda, has little (perhaps nothing) to do with ethnicity. It is a mafia like organization that obtains legitimacy by pretending to have something in common with Jews.

    What's really fun is that Jews are not even a single ethnicity, and even a superficial reading of Josephus would illuminate that fact.

    In short, the standard myths are pretty much 100% high grade fertilizer.

    Well, you’re incorrect on a number of points, but for the purposes of evaluating whether Chomsky has too much ethnic loyalty, as was alleged (not by me), none of it matters. I am not the one who charged that Chomsky has “hyperethnic” loyalty – that was another commenter. If Chomsky had ethnic loyalty of any sort, as was alleged, then he wouldn’t be one of the major critics of Israel.

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  • @biz
    If you think that Noam Chomsky has a lot of ethnic loyalty then you are not paying attention. He is one of the most prominent and widely cited haters of Israel out there, and he wrote the introduction to a Holocaust denial book in the 1970s.

    Israel, despite the propaganda, has little (perhaps nothing) to do with ethnicity. It is a mafia like organization that obtains legitimacy by pretending to have something in common with Jews.

    What’s really fun is that Jews are not even a single ethnicity, and even a superficial reading of Josephus would illuminate that fact.

    In short, the standard myths are pretty much 100% high grade fertilizer.

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    Well, you're incorrect on a number of points, but for the purposes of evaluating whether Chomsky has too much ethnic loyalty, as was alleged (not by me), none of it matters. I am not the one who charged that Chomsky has "hyperethnic" loyalty - that was another commenter. If Chomsky had ethnic loyalty of any sort, as was alleged, then he wouldn't be one of the major critics of Israel.
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  • @War for Blair Mountain
    Noam Chomsky:"Trump is a threat to the Human Species".



    Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain:Noam Chomsky is waging ((( hyperthnic))) warfare against The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority...


    Noam Chomsky=GREEDY CHEATING (((RICH GUY)))

    If you think that Noam Chomsky has a lot of ethnic loyalty then you are not paying attention. He is one of the most prominent and widely cited haters of Israel out there, and he wrote the introduction to a Holocaust denial book in the 1970s.

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    Israel, despite the propaganda, has little (perhaps nothing) to do with ethnicity. It is a mafia like organization that obtains legitimacy by pretending to have something in common with Jews.

    What's really fun is that Jews are not even a single ethnicity, and even a superficial reading of Josephus would illuminate that fact.

    In short, the standard myths are pretty much 100% high grade fertilizer.
    , @War for Blair Mountain
    A major critic of Israeli policy towards Palestinians who has stated publicly that he opposes the Right of Return of Palestinians because of the demographic consequences of the Palestinian Right of Return for Jewish Israel. Noam Chomsky is a rat who demands that The Historic Native Born White Christian Majority commit demographic suicide within the borders of America.



    Noam Chomsky=(((hyper-ethnic)))...on (((hyper_ethnic))) steroids.
    , @fnn
    But it's curious that he makes the odd claim that the Israel Lobby is just another lobby like the American Dairy Association and that the motivations for the Iraq War had nothing to do with Israel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_LygPVxY8A

    http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=7
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  • @Priss Factor
    Most Berniks won't vote for Trump.

    Most of them are not working class. Their socialism isn't one of class. They don't want factory jobs.

    They are wanna-be elites who didn't make it or those yet to make it.

    The main appeal of Sanders to them is virtue-signaling. Their ideal jobs are in media, academia, arts & culture, government, NGO's, and etc. They are smugots: smug progots(progo-bigots) into preening moral narcissism and self-patting-on-the-back. They get a kick out of feeling morally and intellectually and ideologically better than everyone else.

    Sure, they yammer about 1% vs 99%, but it's really soreness over their not being part of the urban elite. After all, the Lib Elite world has only so many slots for fancy jobs in Hollywood, Wall Street, fashion, art museums, and etc. Not every hipster makes it. Those who make it go for Hillary or may yammer about supporting Bernie just to earn virtue-credits.

    This is haute 'socialism' of spoiled children of upper middle class whites who don't want to pay their college loans. They feel nothing for the real workers.

    Trump appeals to red-blooded real America. Berniks hate such people as 'racist' and 'xenophobic', the worst sins in the SJW playbook.

    Berniks are about cultural attitudes, not class interests.

    This entire comment is 100% spot on.

    I’ve had Sanders supporters tell me stuff like “the middle class / middle America has to really suffer before we can get real change.” Really, the middle class should suffer? What ever happened to the middle class being part of that noble 99% that deserves better against the greedy 1%? What ever happened to all the rhetoric about the 99% already quietly suffering?

    The Sandersite left sometimes rhetorically pretends to care about the middle class and working class and blue collar workers and so on, but for the most part they don’t really. They are mostly concerned with cultural Marxism and bringing down what they perceive as ‘the system.’ They also really want their college loans paid off by someone else – that is probably the biggest part of his support anyway.

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  • A great piece, very useful for all the info it brings together in a highly organized way.
    Eric hit this one out of the park!
    I would add two things.
    First I spent many years working with the Green Party and Jill Stein in MA. I stopped because I reluctantly concluded they were going nowhere. Everything is much too PC, and they are unable to connect with the average American voter. For example, when they refer to the “duopoly,” most think they are referring to the doowop singing of midcentury America. Jill herself is very honest, very committed, very well “educated” suburbanite – but she could not even win a state rep seat in MA when she ran for it. And in the gubernatorial races in MA she made no impact in the debates.

    Second, if I may, I also recommend the following and the links therein:

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/06/20/trump-as-the-relative-peace-candidate/

    https://consortiumnews.com/2016/05/22/trumps-five-questions-on-us-foreign-policy/

    The Stephen F. Cohen weekly podcasts on the John Batchelor show on WABC radion in NYC referred to in the second piece are especially valuable.

    And thanks again, Eric Zuesse, for this fine piece.

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    Thanks, John. As you know, we're two horses pulling the same cart: intelligent progressivism. We'll need more like two million of us, and then that cart could become the entire country.
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  • War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountian"] says:

    Noam Chomsky:”Trump is a threat to the Human Species”.

    Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain:Noam Chomsky is waging ((( hyperthnic))) warfare against The Historic Native Born White American Working Class Majority…

    Noam Chomsky=GREEDY CHEATING (((RICH GUY)))

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    If you think that Noam Chomsky has a lot of ethnic loyalty then you are not paying attention. He is one of the most prominent and widely cited haters of Israel out there, and he wrote the introduction to a Holocaust denial book in the 1970s.
    , @Rehmat
    Dr. Chomsky is a Crypto Zionist.

    Noam Chomsky, although, is a strong critic of US foreign policy – but he has never supported armed struggle against Israel. He also favors the so-called ‘two-state’ solution and believes in Israel’s right to exist as ‘Jewish state’. Chomsky never publically questioned the Zionist version of the holocaust (‘Six Million Died’). Chomsky is against academic boycott of Israel. Chomsky doesn’t believe that the US foreign policy is controlled by the Jewish groups especially the AIPAC. Chomsky also doesn’t like Israel being compared with the apartheid South Africa.....

    Roger Tucker, Jew Editor/Publisher of “One Democratic State” website – in an article, entitled “Open Letter to Uri Avnery, Noam Chomsky and Jimmy Carter”, claimed that none of them is friend to Palestinian victims of the foreign Zionist Jew settlers because in fact they themselves are ‘Crypto-Zionists’ hiding behind the facade of ‘humanism’.

    According to Roger Tucker the so-called “Two state solution” supporters are a bunch of odd bedfellows. It has Uri Avnery’s Gush shalom along with hardcore Israeli Zionist government officials, the ‘Israel-First’ American neocons, Republicans, the Christian Zionists, the puppet Fatah (Mahmoud Abbas) unelected government and somewhat reluctant European nations.

    “Noam Chomsky’s analyses of Israeli-Palestinian conflict and shifting sands of the Middle East has been non-parcel. And yet he is another closet Zionist (like Uri Avnery and Jimmy Carter). What a shame,” wrote Roger Tucker.

    Avram Noam Chomsky (b. 1928) is child of committed Zionist parents. His father William Chomsky was a Jew immigrant from Ukraine while his mother Elsie Chomsky was from Belarus. In his early career as a writer, Noam chomsky was honored by pro-Israel Jewish groups for being the US, top author. Chomsky even lived in a Jewish settlement (kibbutz) in 1953 – built on the land stolen from Palestinian Muslim owners. He recalled his experience at the kibbutz “extremely attractive” and “I probably would have lived there myself – for how long, it hard to guess”.

    https://rehmat1.com/2010/07/24/chomsky-a-crypto-zionist/
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  • You’re wrong about Nader. If Bernie had been the real deal he would not have endorsed Hillary. He would have gone Green and destroyed her.

    Anyway, welcome aboard. You won’t be going back. To your former friends you are now a dangerous and vulgar bigot.

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    thank you working class, i am about to punch the next stupid dem'rat/pwogwessive who bitches about nader losing a race which gore lost all by his lonesome...
    the funny thing is, JUST THE ACTUAL MATH of the numbers they cite in florida do NOT support their case on numerous levels: the nader votes would NOT have broken 100% to gore; there was such massive election (NOT VOTER) fraud perpetrated by the state 'leaders' that it dwarfed the nader-to-gore votes; not to mention the simple math of however many other presidential candidates who 'siphoned off' (sic) presumed gore votes...
    etc, etc, etc...
    but let's gang up on a man who has done more to help America and Americans than any THOUSAND of the wormtongued critics who exiled him for his supposed crimes against gore...

    NOT TO MENTION: um, WHO is it who tells ME WHO i can and can not vote for ? if you are going to ASSUME that -as a progressive- i am OWED MY -repeat MY- vote to whoever YOU decide is the 'practical' choice, then FUCK YOU VERY MUCH...
    presumptuous pricks...
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  • Trump is, if anything, too honest for his own good.

    lol.

    it also shows that Trump is no conservative when the issue is global warming.

    Trump thinks climate change is a hoax create by the Chinese. Come on.

    Trump, if he wins, will pull the Republican Party toward the “peace and justice” left

    This is delusional. Trump wants to kill the relatives of terrorists. That’s well to the right of the Republican party.

    The author really hates Hillary and it’s clearly clouding his judgment. Bernie knows who the better candidate is.

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    This is delusional. Trump wants to kill the relatives of terrorists. That’s well to the right of the Republican party.
     
    Obama does the same thing (and more) when he blows up wedding parties with drone strikes. Even that is very mild compared to WWII and Korean War area bombing when US was exterminating the populations of entire cities because of their political leadership.
    , @woodNfish

    Trump wants to kill the relatives of terrorists.
     
    You are the one who is delusional. Trump is a realist. Not a single thing we have done so far has stopped or even slowed down terrorists. Family is everything to muslims. By making the cost of their terrorism too high for them by targeting their families if they commit a terrorist act it will reduce or even end terrorism. When terrorists know that their act will kill their families most of them won't do it. Trump knows this, you apparently can't figure it out.
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  • The great majority of people who were fooled by a Zionist conman Bernie Sanders have already thrown their support behind Green party nominee Jill Stein, who is the only candidate who has refused to take dictation from the pro-Israel and more wars establishments.

    Hillary and Trump are two faces of the same ‘Zionist coin’ – more wars for Israel in the Muslim world.

    Jill Stein has now dropped another so-called ‘antisemite bomb’ by announcing Ajamu Baraka as her vice-president nominee. Ajamu Baraka is a Afro-American human-rights activist who denies the “official 9/11 story”, and opposes everything AIPAC says.

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/08/16/green-party-vp-is-a-911-denier/

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    He's also vehemently anti-white.
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  • @Priss Factor
    Most Berniks won't vote for Trump.

    Most of them are not working class. Their socialism isn't one of class. They don't want factory jobs.

    They are wanna-be elites who didn't make it or those yet to make it.

    The main appeal of Sanders to them is virtue-signaling. Their ideal jobs are in media, academia, arts & culture, government, NGO's, and etc. They are smugots: smug progots(progo-bigots) into preening moral narcissism and self-patting-on-the-back. They get a kick out of feeling morally and intellectually and ideologically better than everyone else.

    Sure, they yammer about 1% vs 99%, but it's really soreness over their not being part of the urban elite. After all, the Lib Elite world has only so many slots for fancy jobs in Hollywood, Wall Street, fashion, art museums, and etc. Not every hipster makes it. Those who make it go for Hillary or may yammer about supporting Bernie just to earn virtue-credits.

    This is haute 'socialism' of spoiled children of upper middle class whites who don't want to pay their college loans. They feel nothing for the real workers.

    Trump appeals to red-blooded real America. Berniks hate such people as 'racist' and 'xenophobic', the worst sins in the SJW playbook.

    Berniks are about cultural attitudes, not class interests.

    Kudos to your heroic napalming of that straw man. Very impressive, indeed.

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  • This is a book.

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  • @Priss Factor
    Most Berniks won't vote for Trump.

    Most of them are not working class. Their socialism isn't one of class. They don't want factory jobs.

    They are wanna-be elites who didn't make it or those yet to make it.

    The main appeal of Sanders to them is virtue-signaling. Their ideal jobs are in media, academia, arts & culture, government, NGO's, and etc. They are smugots: smug progots(progo-bigots) into preening moral narcissism and self-patting-on-the-back. They get a kick out of feeling morally and intellectually and ideologically better than everyone else.

    Sure, they yammer about 1% vs 99%, but it's really soreness over their not being part of the urban elite. After all, the Lib Elite world has only so many slots for fancy jobs in Hollywood, Wall Street, fashion, art museums, and etc. Not every hipster makes it. Those who make it go for Hillary or may yammer about supporting Bernie just to earn virtue-credits.

    This is haute 'socialism' of spoiled children of upper middle class whites who don't want to pay their college loans. They feel nothing for the real workers.

    Trump appeals to red-blooded real America. Berniks hate such people as 'racist' and 'xenophobic', the worst sins in the SJW playbook.

    Berniks are about cultural attitudes, not class interests.

    Yes, the French have a nice name for the part of Bernie voters that you describe: la gauche caviar, the caviar left.

    I am very glad to see the great Eric Zeusse finally on unz.com, he deserved this more than many other contributors to the zine. I would also love to see Dr Doctorow’s writings here.

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  • Actually most people on the centre left are lower-middle class. The upper middle class tend to be pro-business right-wing liberals who vote for mainstream left and right wing candidates like Hillary and Jeb Bush. And most upper class kids have no problems paying off their student loans.

    Ironically, its lower middle class Green/Bernie voters tend to be biggest losers from affirmative action. Upper middle class white doctors and engineers don’t lose their jobs to non-whites (their IQs are too high) but a lower middle class liberals graduate with a 120 IQ is just the sort of person to be kicked out of a government job to make way for a non-white person.

    They also fail to realise that when they start their boutique businesses selling craft beer and organic vegetables that it’s wealthy whites who are their primary customers.

    In Marxist terms these people are suffering from false consciousness.

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    If you think one needs a >120 IQ to become a doctor or engineer, your own IQ might not be as high as you think.
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  • Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    Most Berniks won’t vote for Trump.

    Most of them are not working class. Their socialism isn’t one of class. They don’t want factory jobs.

    They are wanna-be elites who didn’t make it or those yet to make it.

    The main appeal of Sanders to them is virtue-signaling. Their ideal jobs are in media, academia, arts & culture, government, NGO’s, and etc. They are smugots: smug progots(progo-bigots) into preening moral narcissism and self-patting-on-the-back. They get a kick out of feeling morally and intellectually and ideologically better than everyone else.

    Sure, they yammer about 1% vs 99%, but it’s really soreness over their not being part of the urban elite. After all, the Lib Elite world has only so many slots for fancy jobs in Hollywood, Wall Street, fashion, art museums, and etc. Not every hipster makes it. Those who make it go for Hillary or may yammer about supporting Bernie just to earn virtue-credits.

    This is haute ‘socialism’ of spoiled children of upper middle class whites who don’t want to pay their college loans. They feel nothing for the real workers.

    Trump appeals to red-blooded real America. Berniks hate such people as ‘racist’ and ‘xenophobic’, the worst sins in the SJW playbook.

    Berniks are about cultural attitudes, not class interests.

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    • Replies: @Kiza
    Yes, the French have a nice name for the part of Bernie voters that you describe: la gauche caviar, the caviar left.

    I am very glad to see the great Eric Zeusse finally on unz.com, he deserved this more than many other contributors to the zine. I would also love to see Dr Doctorow's writings here.
    , @Cletus Rothschild
    Kudos to your heroic napalming of that straw man. Very impressive, indeed.
    , @biz
    This entire comment is 100% spot on.

    I've had Sanders supporters tell me stuff like "the middle class / middle America has to really suffer before we can get real change." Really, the middle class should suffer? What ever happened to the middle class being part of that noble 99% that deserves better against the greedy 1%? What ever happened to all the rhetoric about the 99% already quietly suffering?

    The Sandersite left sometimes rhetorically pretends to care about the middle class and working class and blue collar workers and so on, but for the most part they don't really. They are mostly concerned with cultural Marxism and bringing down what they perceive as 'the system.' They also really want their college loans paid off by someone else - that is probably the biggest part of his support anyway.
    , @vetran

    Most Berniks won’t vote for Trump.
    Most of them are not working class. Their socialism isn’t one of class. They don’t want factory jobs.
     
    Where is the working class anyway, as it is shrinking and has becomes more middle class?
    So what is left for "Berniks" to turn to as there are few factory jobs or no longer exist even if they wanted. Most have been shipped away to China and others low wages dirt holes...
    Certainly many "Berniks" have witnessed how their parents struggled to meets end and left with peanuts despite their militancy.
    So don't blame them to pursue higher ambitions, despite their hypocrisy and few scruples to join the "elites".
    , @g2k

    They are wanna-be elites who didn’t make it or those yet to make it.

    This is haute ‘socialism’ of spoiled children of upper middle class whites who don’t want to pay their college loans. They feel nothing for the real workers.
     
    True to some extent and their propensity towards ultra PC nonsense makes them hard to sympethise with. It's certainly one of the reasons why most of the Bernie supporters will vote for the hag. The mentality is the same one that opposes high taxes for the rich; the majority of people won't pay them and likely never will in their lifetimes, but they aspire to. Besides the above, mindless groupthink and common or garden cuckery, there's a social aspect to this; if you mix with, and have in your social circles, people from around the world, you don't want to see them kicked out, or even made uncomfortable with talk about it.

    Having said that, massive downward mobility a fact of life beyond just the working class. The press of late seems to be filled with articles documenting their plight with condescending pity, but the children of the middle class don't really have it much better. Opposing the current level of tuition and the terms and conditions of the loans is hardly objectionable when many countries, as did the US a generation ago, manage to have affordable or free college without becoming Sovok dystopias or bankrupting themselves (though they do often combine this with very Darwinian admissions and failure policies). What's more, upon leaving college housing will get them BIG TIME. Unless you have serious inherited wealth, living in the coastal cities if you're under 40 means that you'll be nothing more than landlord fodder for most of your adult life. It's only really possible to escape this if you're exceptionally lucky and talented.

    I suspect the western world is entering into a long term phase of positive, but very low growth, which will mean that your wealth will be more important than your own effort. Unfortunately for the majority of Anglos, they don't seem to really understand wealth and family bonds are quite weak.
    , @Anonymous
    And when in God's name is the press going to discuss the body count of folks involved with the blowing the whistle or litigating against the CLinton Foundation and the DNC? America, this is a coup, not an election. Rise up, Complain, and do not vote for Clinton. THey, the oligarchy do not want Trump. He will not play. Call their fucking bluff. THis is only about Citizens United. It must end now as it has consumed both sides of the political fense and is turning up the militaristic, repressive, environmental disaster heat. Do not vote for her. There are honest, able down ballot candidates that are not for sale. Hillary is for sale all day long.....
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  • Leading up to Monday’s Democratic Party convention, Hillary chose Blue Dog Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia as her VP. This was followed by the Wikileaks release of Democratic National Committee (DNC) e-mail files showing it acting as the Clinton Campaign Committee even to the point of using the same lawyers as her own campaign to...
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  • The Democratic Party stole the nomination for Hillary even though Bernie was a more electable candidate. Unlike establishment Republicans the establishment Democrats have their shit together. The former can join the latter, a very short ride, or retire to the political outback. There should be no more talk about a two party system. Trump is running against the Oligarchy, both parties, the media and Israel. I don’t like his chances. But his campaign is a huge political and educational gift to the hapless American Proles. We can now look around and know who is with us and who is our enemy. Not who is our political opposition but indeed, who is our enemy.

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  • @anonymous
    What's with you guys. You've already got VDARE, but you want everybody here to reconfirm your own biases. Go back to VDARE and take Sailer and Derb with you.

    Open borders in an age of hyped terrorism is highly suspicious,and if one doesn’t realize that open borders contribute to divide and conquer which the demoncrats are setting their hopes on this cycle,and that they hurt American workers,one might think you are a zionist mole traitor.

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  • @Reg Cæsar
    So you and Hudson agree with the plutocrats that immigration is good for America, despite the lack of any evidence for that belief?

    You must be on the payroll.

    “So you and Hudson agree with the plutocrats that immigration is good for America, despite the lack of any evidence for that belief?”

    Religions are faith based; sometimes the evidence must be overlooked as a demonstration that you are a true believer.

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  • “Clinton, the “women’s candidate”, leaves a trail of bloody coups: in Honduras, in Libya (plus the murder of the Libyan president) and Ukraine. The latter is now a CIA theme park swarming with Nazis and the frontline of a beckoning war with Russia. It was through Ukraine – literally, borderland — that Hitler’s Nazis invaded the Soviet Union, which lost 27 million people. This epic catastrophe remains a presence in Russia. Clinton’s presidential campaign has received money from all but one of the world’s ten biggest arms companies. No other candidate comes close.”
    From Comment Section, https://theintercept.com/2016/07/31/as-israel-prospers-obama-set-to-give-billions-more-in-aid-while-netanyahu-demands-more/?comments=1#comments

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  • Expect more love from the US taxpayers: https://theintercept.com/2016/07/31/as-israel-prospers-obama-set-to-give-billions-more-in-aid-while-netanyahu-demands-more/
    “As Israel Prospers, Obama Set to Give Billions More in Aid While Netanyahu Demands Even More”

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  • Nearly 3,000 words about the Hag?

    Ya gotta be kidding. Who has the time for that (bleep)?

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  • the carcass of america is left to the vultures. and they are gorging on the remains. we, the people, stand around and watch transfixed, fascinated with natural selection as a social phenomenon.
    it’s our fault. we are not strong. we have been weaken by breads & circuses and belief in a representative government. we are granted elections but we don’t have choice.
    we pay the bill for the chains that bind us. we roll over and play dead on command. if we act like house pets, we deserve a master. a passive citizenry spells doom for democracy. we’ve ceded our power without complaint. we vote year after year with the same result. we are mesmerized by pageantry and shape-shifters who yell into microphones and preen for the cameras.
    no wonder our education system is coercive & regressive. knowledge is power. that’s why ignorance is preferred, conformity demanded, and imagination smothered in the crib. if we know too much, we just might rebel.
    there are 310,000,ooo americans. imagine if just 1,000,000 took to the streets and marched on washington to demand an end to oligarchy?
    vultures are the endgame. they do what comes naturally. they follow the predators. they clean up the carnage so we don’t see. so we forget.
    we can give up our role as prey animals.
    it’s the only choice we are left with.

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  • Wally says: • Website
    @anonymous
    What's with you guys. You've already got VDARE, but you want everybody here to reconfirm your own biases. Go back to VDARE and take Sailer and Derb with you.

    AH yes, immigration, your Achilles Heel and you know it.

    Thousands Of Germans Demand Merkel’s Resignation; Protest “Open Door” Immigration Policy

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-31/thousands-germans-demand-merkels-resignation-protest-open-door-immigration-policy

    I suggest that you go back to your Jewish supremacist sites:

    http://www.adl.org/

    and:

    https://www.splcenter.org/

    Who demands mass immigration into white gentile countries, but stops non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country?

    Jews in US admit “Israel First”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/

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  • Nice article by Michael Hudson.

    He comes closest here: “All that strategists for the One Percent need to do is fund an even worse party platform to the right of the Democrats. So the choice will be between Evil A (economic evil with ethnic and sexual tolerance) and Evil B (without such tolerance).”

    With all due respect. Please read Hudson’s fine article, and then read Joel Meyers’ article which I append here. Once again:

    Comments welcome.

    Hillary & Donald: Which is the “lesser” evil?

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    After the parade and thunderous pronouncement by recently “retired” General John Allen at the Democratic Convention, it is now clear that Hillary Rodham Clinton is as least every bit as dangerous as the flagrantly fascist tinged Donald Trump, and may be even more dangerous.

    The Allen pronouncement is coupled with a recent nuance in the Hillary-DNC campaign, which is constant and repeated Putin-baiting of Trump. This was a motif in the Hillary-supporting speeches of ex-President Bill Clinton and current President Barack Obama.

    Both had lied the country into expanded imperialist wars, including but not limited to Yugoslavia in Hilary Clinton’s case and Libya and Syria in Obama’s.

    Perhaps more important, in both cases, Hillary Clinton, as first lady and as Secretary of State to Bill Clinton and Barack Obama respectively, was decisive in pushing the regimes over the top into military aggression, in relation to which the administrations were initially opposed or at least hesitant.

    In Libya and Syria, it is clear that Hillary Clinton was fully aligned or dominant in collusion with Generals Allen and Petraeus and their terrorist proxy forces, including elements of ISIS, Al Qaeda and other mercenary forces, such as MOSSAD–CIA, active in the war crimes in the overthrow of legal and recognized governments in Libya and Syria.

    Hillary’s running mate Tim Kaine is strutted out with the boast that he worked in U.S. government programs in Honduras, training Hondurans as carpenters and electricians. Such programs are obvious covers for CIA-type spy operations, preparatory to regime-change coups d’etat, as actual or ongoing contingency plans.

    Shamelessly, Hillary Clinton was heavily involved in the Pinochet-style coup in Honduras, bringing fascists to power and rounding up and torturing opponents and moderates, reportedly by the hundreds. Hillary Clinton also told the New York Daily News that the coup, which overthrew the popular, elected government there, was “not illegal”.

    The H. Clinton candidacy was presented at the Democratic National Convention as “liberal” and “progressive”, relying on repeated themes promising government help with paying student loans to parasitic banks, medical charges to parasitic insurance companies, and even a Constitutional Amendment to overturn the Citizen Union Supreme Court Decision, breaking all restrictions on corporate buying of elections.

    These promises are at least as hollow as Donald Trump‘s threats to build a Mexican border wall financed by Mexico.

    The seemingly obligatory and unanimous Putin-baiting of Trump by all significant Hillary Clinton supporters adds to the ominous indications of a Clinton regime. It combines with the reality that under the Obama regime, U.S./NATO forces are closing in all along the Russian border, threatening invasion. This comes in the wake of a US-NATO-EU takeover in the Ukraine, with the active and blatant participation of unabashed Nazi left-overs from World War 2. This has led to a situation in which American-led imperialist viceroys are running the show in Kiev, and running the country into the ground. As an illustration of the depths of corruption of these efforts, and their connection with the Democratic Party regime, Vice President Joe Biden’s surviving son has been made CEO of the Ukrainian energy monopoly!

    The Putin-baiting brainwash put out by H. Clinton and her handlers and supervisors implies that Trump is criticized as being insufficiently enthusiastic about World War 3 promoted by H. Clinton and Co. To the extent that this may indicate the actual political differences among the contenders, it makes the Democratic Party more dangerous when it comes to the all-important World War 3 issue.

    H. Clinton, in her debates with Bernie Sanders, has indicated she favors establishing a no-fly zone over Syria, enforced by the shooting down of Russian planes and attacking Russian ground forces, who are there at the invitation of the legal, recognized Syrian government, unlike the U.S. operated regime-change mercenaries and U.S. military trainers, advisors and other accomplices.

    Thus, the Hillary Clinton “Democrats” are more dangerous not only because of their direct policies, but because they are more sneaky about it. Naive public opinion, especially the leftwing thereof, thinks that the “Democrats” are more restrained in military aggression than the “Republicans.” But the “Democrats” have historically started all major wars, and are equipped to do so because they specialize in programs that buy off the population to support imperialist war, and creating the welfare-warfare state.

    Just think of the jobs that can be created in military industries, and the unemployment among the young eliminated by converting workers into soldiers, their pride swelled with media praise for imperialist war crimes and crimes against humanity. Many would agree to invade other countries on the promise of a GI Bill replete with college attendance and job preferences.

    After the war is over, the Republicans typically step in to limit, cut back, eliminate or renege upon these promises. As the Taoists say, a day of war is followed by a year of death. Rather than opponents, the Democrats and Republicans are a tag team. The Democrats preserve their image as the “little people’s” recourse by blaming the Republicans for their failure to deliver on their promises.

    In both cases the sacrifices of war lower the living standards of the bulk of the population and swallow up the promised social bribes. More importantly, they swallow up the positive human spirit, when imperialist enslavement, mass murder, genocide are enforced by war, justified by promised prosperity and benefits.

    The ultimate sacrifices of war will impose a further fall of the standard of living, which will then lead to a more repressive enforcement over the population. Trump seems more willing to eliminate social programs immediately and intensify repression, suppress protest, etc., internally, but less aggressive on major war fronts externally. Both lead to the same end: The intensified exploitation, oppression, impoverishment, and mass death in wars for the corporate 1%, or 1% of 1%, with 1% of 1% of 1% calling the major shots (pun intended).

    Joel Meyers – can be reached at [email protected]

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  • Killary C. has done AIPAC’s holocausts for greater Israël. What can be worse?

    Vote Jill Stein, to realize a Full Employment economy, using the Central bank’s money to create jobs national debt-free.

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  • So you and Hudson agree with the plutocrats that immigration is good for America, despite the lack of any evidence for that belief?

    You must be on the payroll.

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    "So you and Hudson agree with the plutocrats that immigration is good for America, despite the lack of any evidence for that belief?"

    Religions are faith based; sometimes the evidence must be overlooked as a demonstration that you are a true believer.
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