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  • What surprises the most is that you were not terminated before? You state what should be obvious to anyone, but in the end it’s all of us who lose… Jewish interests influence the media, the entertainment industry, and much of the military. As a result, most especially in the film industry, story lines, directing and producing films is strictly limited by Jewish boundaries, and although Jewish influence is considerably entertaining, it is by default limiting itself to Jewish perceptions, and thus misses out on the talent and artistic representations of multi-faceted ethnic richness.

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    Harry M Fleisch
    Age: 97


    Rye, NY, formerly Mamaroneck, NY


    LBI News | LEO BAECK INSTITUTE – NEW YORK BERLIN

    "In 1955, a group of émigré intellectuals gathered to found an institute to preserve their shared German-Jewish history. Notable scholars including Ernst Simon, Robert Weltsch, Martin Buber, and Gershom Scholem met in Jerusalem and appointed Rabbi Leo Baeck the Institute’s first president and established independent centers in New York, London, and Jerusalem.
    Sixty years later, the Leo Baeck Institute continues to carry out the founders’ mission to preserve and promote the history and culture of German-speaking Jewry."

    Spring 2015
    LEO BAECK INSTITUTE 2015 BERLIN DINNER CONTRIBUTIONS
    Harry M. Fleisch, Mamaroneck, NY


    https://www.lbi.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/LBI_Spring15News.pdf

    Harry M Fleisch is most likely Jewish, most likely German Jewish, based on his contribution to the Berlin Dinner of the Leo Baeck Institute.

    He was about 25 yrs old when he was, as he claims, a first lieutenant supervising German POWs (which Eisenhower re-classified, "Disarmed Enemy Combatants") in the Rhineland.

    Many, many Jews created and enforced policies and carried out control of Germans, both civilian and military, during the years of the war and for as much as a decade after the war.

    Many of those policies are characterized by utter brutality; Cora Sol Goldstein describes how (predominantly Jewish agents) carried out psychological warfare against the German people for at least five years after the war ended.

    "The Ritchie Boys" were young German Jewish immigrants to USA who volunteered for service in US military and were trained in espionage, propaganda, and de-moralization techniques that they carried out in Germany and among German forces during the war. Ritchie Boys played a major role in acquiring German records and documents; post-war, Ritchie Boys played a prominent role in the prosecutions in the Nuremberg trials.

    The Morgenthau Plan is probably known to many readers of this forum. In a 2011 panel discussion titled "Myths, Misconceptions and Surprises of World War II," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79KU997m9o4
    Gerhard Weinberg (dec) averred that "the Morgenthau plan was very soft on Germans," and that "the millions of Germans who were removed from their homes would have preferred the tender mercies of the Morgenthau plan."
    University of Virginia historian William Hitchcock demurred, citing his research into the attitudes of French, German and other Europeans toward the "liberating" US forces: Hitchcock's research reveals that the Allies caused far more death and destruction among civilians in France other states under Axis occupation, than did German occupiers.

    Further, Hitchcock observed that although Allied Occupying forces were sternly instructed, as a matter of policy, to treat all Germans as dangerous enemies who deserved to be further punished, as indicated in this US military training film, "Our Job in Germany," which implicated the entirety of German history and the German population as a "threat to civilization."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvcf9DKSpPw

    Many GIs were appalled at the policy as well as at the devastation and suffering of the German people; they felt the Germans had "suffered enough," and many disregarded the orders to continue to treat Germans harshly. It's hard to credit Fleisch with such humane tendencies, given the otherwise hateful comments contained in his letter to WSJ.

    Freda Utley describes the maltreatment of Germans in The High Cost of Vengeance

    The difference between the crimes against humanity -- the firebombing of 130 German cities and destruction of 75% of German civilian infrastructure -- and the maltreatment of defeated Germany by US occupiers, and what Fleish alleges as the "murderous gassing of millions of people" is that the former realities have not been propagandized in film, television, books and dogmatized education programs, while the latter, fantasized psychodramas have been enforced upon people all over the world.

    Harry Fleish is a very old man. It seems he has not used the many years granted to him to dispel the deep, triumphalist hate that oozes from every frame of the US military "War Department Orientation Film" but instead has nurtured hate like an obsession.

    He should be ashamed of himself.

    Harry Fleish is a very old man. It seems he has not used the many years granted to him to dispel the deep, triumphalist hate that oozes from every frame of the US military “War Department Orientation Film” but instead has nurtured hate like an obsession.

    He should be ashamed of himself.

    “Ashamed” never happen. Normal people just do not understand the hate and loathing that Jews have for their fellow humans.

    The Jew superiority complex is real. There is no question, the Jew is superior at conning people – he is without question ready willing and able. The Jew is a master at hiding their true intent. The Jew has no compunction or scruples when it comes to lies. They abuse people with this evil talent. One must hate those they continually abuse – it is human nature. The only way one can continue to con people is to look down on them and hate them.

    Make no mistake Shama, iffen, et al are true conmen and haters.

    Peace — Art

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  • @anonymous
    Harry M Fleisch
    Age: 97


    Rye, NY, formerly Mamaroneck, NY


    LBI News | LEO BAECK INSTITUTE – NEW YORK BERLIN

    "In 1955, a group of émigré intellectuals gathered to found an institute to preserve their shared German-Jewish history. Notable scholars including Ernst Simon, Robert Weltsch, Martin Buber, and Gershom Scholem met in Jerusalem and appointed Rabbi Leo Baeck the Institute’s first president and established independent centers in New York, London, and Jerusalem.
    Sixty years later, the Leo Baeck Institute continues to carry out the founders’ mission to preserve and promote the history and culture of German-speaking Jewry."

    Spring 2015
    LEO BAECK INSTITUTE 2015 BERLIN DINNER CONTRIBUTIONS
    Harry M. Fleisch, Mamaroneck, NY


    https://www.lbi.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/LBI_Spring15News.pdf

    Harry M Fleisch is most likely Jewish, most likely German Jewish, based on his contribution to the Berlin Dinner of the Leo Baeck Institute.

    He was about 25 yrs old when he was, as he claims, a first lieutenant supervising German POWs (which Eisenhower re-classified, "Disarmed Enemy Combatants") in the Rhineland.

    Many, many Jews created and enforced policies and carried out control of Germans, both civilian and military, during the years of the war and for as much as a decade after the war.

    Many of those policies are characterized by utter brutality; Cora Sol Goldstein describes how (predominantly Jewish agents) carried out psychological warfare against the German people for at least five years after the war ended.

    "The Ritchie Boys" were young German Jewish immigrants to USA who volunteered for service in US military and were trained in espionage, propaganda, and de-moralization techniques that they carried out in Germany and among German forces during the war. Ritchie Boys played a major role in acquiring German records and documents; post-war, Ritchie Boys played a prominent role in the prosecutions in the Nuremberg trials.

    The Morgenthau Plan is probably known to many readers of this forum. In a 2011 panel discussion titled "Myths, Misconceptions and Surprises of World War II," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79KU997m9o4
    Gerhard Weinberg (dec) averred that "the Morgenthau plan was very soft on Germans," and that "the millions of Germans who were removed from their homes would have preferred the tender mercies of the Morgenthau plan."
    University of Virginia historian William Hitchcock demurred, citing his research into the attitudes of French, German and other Europeans toward the "liberating" US forces: Hitchcock's research reveals that the Allies caused far more death and destruction among civilians in France other states under Axis occupation, than did German occupiers.

    Further, Hitchcock observed that although Allied Occupying forces were sternly instructed, as a matter of policy, to treat all Germans as dangerous enemies who deserved to be further punished, as indicated in this US military training film, "Our Job in Germany," which implicated the entirety of German history and the German population as a "threat to civilization."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvcf9DKSpPw

    Many GIs were appalled at the policy as well as at the devastation and suffering of the German people; they felt the Germans had "suffered enough," and many disregarded the orders to continue to treat Germans harshly. It's hard to credit Fleisch with such humane tendencies, given the otherwise hateful comments contained in his letter to WSJ.

    Freda Utley describes the maltreatment of Germans in The High Cost of Vengeance

    The difference between the crimes against humanity -- the firebombing of 130 German cities and destruction of 75% of German civilian infrastructure -- and the maltreatment of defeated Germany by US occupiers, and what Fleish alleges as the "murderous gassing of millions of people" is that the former realities have not been propagandized in film, television, books and dogmatized education programs, while the latter, fantasized psychodramas have been enforced upon people all over the world.

    Harry Fleish is a very old man. It seems he has not used the many years granted to him to dispel the deep, triumphalist hate that oozes from every frame of the US military "War Department Orientation Film" but instead has nurtured hate like an obsession.

    He should be ashamed of himself.

    WOW, anonymous! What amazing research and writing.

    If Harry happens to read your comment, he’ll do what Harry Chapin did (in song) & get the next taxi out of town.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Chuck Orloski
    Dear Anonymous,

    You might be either at work or sleeping, but I have asked you a question (see comment # 442) where I linked a "Business Insider" report on how the Trump administration is gearing up a Navy Seal team to liberate North Korean Kim from his leadership job.

    While driving school bus and listening to elementary students scream and a pretty good song by Beyonce, I began to consider how in the hell did the "Business Insider" get word on the president's 'plan to out Kim. Humph -- talk about all the "leaks" jumping out of the White House woodwork sine New Years, I naturally began to wonder how "Business Insider" got their rather high-level information.

    Upon reaching my iffen-flat, I searched the internet in order to determine the ownership of "Business Insider." My search was a success, and I learned that in September 2015, "Business Insider" was acquired by the German publishing "powerhouse," Axel Springer for only $450 million The Axel Springer C.E.O. is Mathias Dopfner; spelled with an umlaut "o."

    Having looked further into "Axel Springer," I found the pressreader article (below) in which you might be interested. (Note: Had iffen-iffen an independent brain from that of Sam the Sham, I would advise him to search "pressreader")

    https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-jewish-chronicle/20170120/282016147031416


    post scriptum: I regret an attempt to overfill your "cup," but in today's Wall Street Journal "Letters to the Editor," there is one that stands out and will be certain to please "The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg."

    The WSJ letter was written by Harry M. Fleisch, titled "Beware the Dismissal of Germany's Nazi Past." Mr. Fleissh's letter is quite long but since I'm doing little more than this, I will type it in full, below. (NOTE: First off, draw your gas mask from out of your family's home "survival kit" and be ready to don it)

    To the Editor:

    "(Fraulein) Frauke Petry of the AdF party asserts that American forces after WW II allowed German P.O.W's to die of hunger in in the camps on the Rhine meadows. I was a first lieutenant in those forces with responsibility for coordination & treatment of Germans exactly in the Rhine meadows."

    "In chaotic circumstances, masses of Germans were thrust under our authority starting in February 1945, before war ended in May of that year."

    "I can personally assure Ms. Petry that we American soldiers made enormous efforts to feed and shelter displaced Germans in a humane manner. Some Germans did die in an outbreak of typhoid. All of this stands in utter contrast to THE GERMAN MURDEROUS GASSING OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. (it's my 'capital' letter emphasis) Any comparison is beyond moral relativism, it is simply not true."

    "Revived German pride, buttressed with revisionist false history is dangerous. It is precisely what alarms those few of us still alive who were there. And it should concern Germans and German watchers the world over." -- by Harry M. Fleisch, Rye, N.Y., March 13, 2017

    Oh well, Anonymous, I must go gas some Franco American canned spaghetti and eat. Good night!

    Harry M Fleisch
    Age: 97

    Rye, NY, formerly Mamaroneck, NY

    LBI News | LEO BAECK INSTITUTE – NEW YORK BERLIN

    “In 1955, a group of émigré intellectuals gathered to found an institute to preserve their shared German-Jewish history. Notable scholars including Ernst Simon, Robert Weltsch, Martin Buber, and Gershom Scholem met in Jerusalem and appointed Rabbi Leo Baeck the Institute’s first president and established independent centers in New York, London, and Jerusalem.
    Sixty years later, the Leo Baeck Institute continues to carry out the founders’ mission to preserve and promote the history and culture of German-speaking Jewry.”

    Spring 2015
    LEO BAECK INSTITUTE 2015 BERLIN DINNER CONTRIBUTIONS
    Harry M. Fleisch, Mamaroneck, NY

    https://www.lbi.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/LBI_Spring15News.pdf

    Harry M Fleisch is most likely Jewish, most likely German Jewish, based on his contribution to the Berlin Dinner of the Leo Baeck Institute.

    He was about 25 yrs old when he was, as he claims, a first lieutenant supervising German POWs (which Eisenhower re-classified, “Disarmed Enemy Combatants”) in the Rhineland.

    Many, many Jews created and enforced policies and carried out control of Germans, both civilian and military, during the years of the war and for as much as a decade after the war.

    Many of those policies are characterized by utter brutality; Cora Sol Goldstein describes how (predominantly Jewish agents) carried out psychological warfare against the German people for at least five years after the war ended.

    “The Ritchie Boys” were young German Jewish immigrants to USA who volunteered for service in US military and were trained in espionage, propaganda, and de-moralization techniques that they carried out in Germany and among German forces during the war. Ritchie Boys played a major role in acquiring German records and documents; post-war, Ritchie Boys played a prominent role in the prosecutions in the Nuremberg trials.

    The Morgenthau Plan is probably known to many readers of this forum. In a 2011 panel discussion titled “Myths, Misconceptions and Surprises of World War II,”

    Gerhard Weinberg (dec) averred that “the Morgenthau plan was very soft on Germans,” and that “the millions of Germans who were removed from their homes would have preferred the tender mercies of the Morgenthau plan.”
    University of Virginia historian William Hitchcock demurred, citing his research into the attitudes of French, German and other Europeans toward the “liberating” US forces: Hitchcock’s research reveals that the Allies caused far more death and destruction among civilians in France other states under Axis occupation, than did German occupiers.

    Further, Hitchcock observed that although Allied Occupying forces were sternly instructed, as a matter of policy, to treat all Germans as dangerous enemies who deserved to be further punished, as indicated in this US military training film, “Our Job in Germany,” which implicated the entirety of German history and the German population as a “threat to civilization.”

    Many GIs were appalled at the policy as well as at the devastation and suffering of the German people; they felt the Germans had “suffered enough,” and many disregarded the orders to continue to treat Germans harshly. It’s hard to credit Fleisch with such humane tendencies, given the otherwise hateful comments contained in his letter to WSJ.

    Freda Utley describes the maltreatment of Germans in The High Cost of Vengeance

    The difference between the crimes against humanity — the firebombing of 130 German cities and destruction of 75% of German civilian infrastructure — and the maltreatment of defeated Germany by US occupiers, and what Fleish alleges as the “murderous gassing of millions of people” is that the former realities have not been propagandized in film, television, books and dogmatized education programs, while the latter, fantasized psychodramas have been enforced upon people all over the world.

    Harry Fleish is a very old man. It seems he has not used the many years granted to him to dispel the deep, triumphalist hate that oozes from every frame of the US military “War Department Orientation Film” but instead has nurtured hate like an obsession.

    He should be ashamed of himself.

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    WOW, anonymous! What amazing research and writing.

    If Harry happens to read your comment, he'll do what Harry Chapin did (in song) & get the next taxi out of town.
    , @Art

    Harry Fleish is a very old man. It seems he has not used the many years granted to him to dispel the deep, triumphalist hate that oozes from every frame of the US military “War Department Orientation Film” but instead has nurtured hate like an obsession.

    He should be ashamed of himself.
     
    "Ashamed" never happen. Normal people just do not understand the hate and loathing that Jews have for their fellow humans.

    The Jew superiority complex is real. There is no question, the Jew is superior at conning people – he is without question ready willing and able. The Jew is a master at hiding their true intent. The Jew has no compunction or scruples when it comes to lies. They abuse people with this evil talent. One must hate those they continually abuse - it is human nature. The only way one can continue to con people is to look down on them and hate them.

    Make no mistake Shama, iffen, et al are true conmen and haters.

    Peace --- Art
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  • All Zionists who constantly try to disarm anybody who wisely disagrees with our foreign policy toward Israel, are labeled anti-Semitic.. This is to intimidate us into silence.. The beauty part about this is they themselves are the one who are anti-everybody.. What hypocrite’s.. Because Wash.D.C. is as Pat Buchanan put it, ”Israeli Occupied Territory,” we find ourselves in this pickle we’re in. We are the mother and the father of ISIS thanks to our Pres. G. Bush’s decision to take out Israel’s enemy, Saddem.. No Iraq invasion, no ISIS, not to mention his washing his hands in the Pal-Israeli peace process, where he got the ball on the one yard line. Maybe, just maybe had he taken the ball in, instead of leaving ”Mickey Mouse” to fight it out with ”Godzilla”, Sept. 11th would have been aborted. I see no hope off things ch

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  • @Anon
    Keith says:

    "3.8 billion = Chicken Feed as part of of a 21 trillion dollar debt."

    Tell that to the schools kids in Detroit who
    have been drinking lead contaminated water. We could use the chicken feed to rebuild our inner cities.

    3.8 billion= Chicken feed as part of Israel's budget.

    You must be drinking potent German beer.

    Again, you are making my case against aid to Israel. If Israel is so successful financially, why does Israel, every ten years come begging?

    Just the other day, I saw a commercial on Fox News, where a Rabbi is asking for more money from Americans to buy care packages to feed Holocaust survivors.

    Is the 3.8 billion going to Bibi to buy ice cream"?

    If Israel doesn't need the foreign aid, then why demand it. Is Israel just trying to piss off the American Nationalists and put on display their power over our corrupt politicians? The treasonous US politicians, who can't stop Cheerleading for a foreign country?

    Iffen... you are starting to make the Hasbara trolls look bad. I strongly suggest you just sip the beer and be silent.

    Dear Anonymous,

    You might be either at work or sleeping, but I have asked you a question (see comment # 442) where I linked a “Business Insider” report on how the Trump administration is gearing up a Navy Seal team to liberate North Korean Kim from his leadership job.

    While driving school bus and listening to elementary students scream and a pretty good song by Beyonce, I began to consider how in the hell did the “Business Insider” get word on the president’s ‘plan to out Kim. Humph — talk about all the “leaks” jumping out of the White House woodwork sine New Years, I naturally began to wonder how “Business Insider” got their rather high-level information.

    Upon reaching my iffen-flat, I searched the internet in order to determine the ownership of “Business Insider.” My search was a success, and I learned that in September 2015, “Business Insider” was acquired by the German publishing “powerhouse,” Axel Springer for only $450 million The Axel Springer C.E.O. is Mathias Dopfner; spelled with an umlaut “o.”

    Having looked further into “Axel Springer,” I found the pressreader article (below) in which you might be interested. (Note: Had iffen-iffen an independent brain from that of Sam the Sham, I would advise him to search “pressreader”)

    https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-jewish-chronicle/20170120/282016147031416

    post scriptum: I regret an attempt to overfill your “cup,” but in today’s Wall Street Journal “Letters to the Editor,” there is one that stands out and will be certain to please “The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg.”

    The WSJ letter was written by Harry M. Fleisch, titled “Beware the Dismissal of Germany’s Nazi Past.” Mr. Fleissh’s letter is quite long but since I’m doing little more than this, I will type it in full, below. (NOTE: First off, draw your gas mask from out of your family’s home “survival kit” and be ready to don it)

    To the Editor:

    “(Fraulein) Frauke Petry of the AdF party asserts that American forces after WW II allowed German P.O.W’s to die of hunger in in the camps on the Rhine meadows. I was a first lieutenant in those forces with responsibility for coordination & treatment of Germans exactly in the Rhine meadows.”

    “In chaotic circumstances, masses of Germans were thrust under our authority starting in February 1945, before war ended in May of that year.”

    “I can personally assure Ms. Petry that we American soldiers made enormous efforts to feed and shelter displaced Germans in a humane manner. Some Germans did die in an outbreak of typhoid. All of this stands in utter contrast to THE GERMAN MURDEROUS GASSING OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. (it’s my ‘capital’ letter emphasis) Any comparison is beyond moral relativism, it is simply not true.”

    “Revived German pride, buttressed with revisionist false history is dangerous. It is precisely what alarms those few of us still alive who were there. And it should concern Germans and German watchers the world over.” — by Harry M. Fleisch, Rye, N.Y., March 13, 2017

    Oh well, Anonymous, I must go gas some Franco American canned spaghetti and eat. Good night!

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    Harry M Fleisch
    Age: 97


    Rye, NY, formerly Mamaroneck, NY


    LBI News | LEO BAECK INSTITUTE – NEW YORK BERLIN

    "In 1955, a group of émigré intellectuals gathered to found an institute to preserve their shared German-Jewish history. Notable scholars including Ernst Simon, Robert Weltsch, Martin Buber, and Gershom Scholem met in Jerusalem and appointed Rabbi Leo Baeck the Institute’s first president and established independent centers in New York, London, and Jerusalem.
    Sixty years later, the Leo Baeck Institute continues to carry out the founders’ mission to preserve and promote the history and culture of German-speaking Jewry."

    Spring 2015
    LEO BAECK INSTITUTE 2015 BERLIN DINNER CONTRIBUTIONS
    Harry M. Fleisch, Mamaroneck, NY


    https://www.lbi.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/LBI_Spring15News.pdf

    Harry M Fleisch is most likely Jewish, most likely German Jewish, based on his contribution to the Berlin Dinner of the Leo Baeck Institute.

    He was about 25 yrs old when he was, as he claims, a first lieutenant supervising German POWs (which Eisenhower re-classified, "Disarmed Enemy Combatants") in the Rhineland.

    Many, many Jews created and enforced policies and carried out control of Germans, both civilian and military, during the years of the war and for as much as a decade after the war.

    Many of those policies are characterized by utter brutality; Cora Sol Goldstein describes how (predominantly Jewish agents) carried out psychological warfare against the German people for at least five years after the war ended.

    "The Ritchie Boys" were young German Jewish immigrants to USA who volunteered for service in US military and were trained in espionage, propaganda, and de-moralization techniques that they carried out in Germany and among German forces during the war. Ritchie Boys played a major role in acquiring German records and documents; post-war, Ritchie Boys played a prominent role in the prosecutions in the Nuremberg trials.

    The Morgenthau Plan is probably known to many readers of this forum. In a 2011 panel discussion titled "Myths, Misconceptions and Surprises of World War II," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79KU997m9o4
    Gerhard Weinberg (dec) averred that "the Morgenthau plan was very soft on Germans," and that "the millions of Germans who were removed from their homes would have preferred the tender mercies of the Morgenthau plan."
    University of Virginia historian William Hitchcock demurred, citing his research into the attitudes of French, German and other Europeans toward the "liberating" US forces: Hitchcock's research reveals that the Allies caused far more death and destruction among civilians in France other states under Axis occupation, than did German occupiers.

    Further, Hitchcock observed that although Allied Occupying forces were sternly instructed, as a matter of policy, to treat all Germans as dangerous enemies who deserved to be further punished, as indicated in this US military training film, "Our Job in Germany," which implicated the entirety of German history and the German population as a "threat to civilization."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvcf9DKSpPw

    Many GIs were appalled at the policy as well as at the devastation and suffering of the German people; they felt the Germans had "suffered enough," and many disregarded the orders to continue to treat Germans harshly. It's hard to credit Fleisch with such humane tendencies, given the otherwise hateful comments contained in his letter to WSJ.

    Freda Utley describes the maltreatment of Germans in The High Cost of Vengeance

    The difference between the crimes against humanity -- the firebombing of 130 German cities and destruction of 75% of German civilian infrastructure -- and the maltreatment of defeated Germany by US occupiers, and what Fleish alleges as the "murderous gassing of millions of people" is that the former realities have not been propagandized in film, television, books and dogmatized education programs, while the latter, fantasized psychodramas have been enforced upon people all over the world.

    Harry Fleish is a very old man. It seems he has not used the many years granted to him to dispel the deep, triumphalist hate that oozes from every frame of the US military "War Department Orientation Film" but instead has nurtured hate like an obsession.

    He should be ashamed of himself.

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    If it's such a trivial sum, why do Israel and its American fifth column fight tooth-and-nail to keep the subsidies flowing?

    I note that the leading Hasbaras here have not bothered to answer this question.

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  • @Sam Shama
    I have not pursued this matter in depth though I've always wanted to. There is a competition for the spot of major broker for the U.S. arms industry. It benefits only a very select group in Israel.

    Israel has a significant industry itself, but also retrofits U.S. equipment

    Another commenter had the temerity to tell me that there was no historical value in Charlie Wilson’s War. :)

    Now that I give it more thought it seems that it would be a safer and more effective way of handling transfers. Outfitting an army and hoping that when that army threw down its weapons and fled the scene, the “correct” groups would end up with the weapons seems like a high risk plan.

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  • @iffen
    Are you are making the case that we should in the main consider Israel as a conduit?

    Should we subtract from the 3.8 amount that which is used for "US interests" and "US interests and Israeli interests," leaving a much smaller pure "Israeli interests" sum?

    I have not pursued this matter in depth though I’ve always wanted to. There is a competition for the spot of major broker for the U.S. arms industry. It benefits only a very select group in Israel.

    Israel has a significant industry itself, but also retrofits U.S. equipment

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    Another commenter had the temerity to tell me that there was no historical value in Charlie Wilson's War. :)

    Now that I give it more thought it seems that it would be a safer and more effective way of handling transfers. Outfitting an army and hoping that when that army threw down its weapons and fled the scene, the "correct" groups would end up with the weapons seems like a high risk plan.

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  • @Sam Shama
    Strategic Trade Authorization Exception, section 740.20(c)(1) of title 15, Code of Federal Regulations, basically is the applicable law under which Israel among a group of nations, can export and re-export defense armaments.

    Also look at Title 22, U.S. Code § 8603 - United States actions to assist in the defense of Israel and protect United States interests. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/8603

    Are you are making the case that we should in the main consider Israel as a conduit?

    Should we subtract from the 3.8 amount that which is used for “US interests” and “US interests and Israeli interests,” leaving a much smaller pure “Israeli interests” sum?

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    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    I have not pursued this matter in depth though I've always wanted to. There is a competition for the spot of major broker for the U.S. arms industry. It benefits only a very select group in Israel.

    Israel has a significant industry itself, but also retrofits U.S. equipment

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  • @Chuck Orloski
    " -- it is an imperative never to be stopped simply so a group of characters will stop croaking on the internet."

    Dear Sam The Sham:

    How convenient that you dodged "Anonymous" (Keith) on this shameful "aid" matter and dropped deception bombs upon another Unz Review comment participant! Doing so is your M.O. and many here have caught on.

    Since I am here as Sam the Sham puts it, " on the internet" and prior to going to work, (below) I will ask Anonymous (Keith) a question about a burning war issue now going on.

    (Please zip it, Sam "The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg" Shama, because my question is strictly for a person who has intellectual integrity and a conscience )

    Remember the W. Bush Neoconservatives most advertised war in human history? It was dubbed "Operation Iraq Freedom." Presently, as North Korea has nuclear weapons & ICBM systems that allegedly can strike Japan and America, please look at the "Businessinsider" article, below, which (for me) advertises what Kim's regime should be soon expecting from the Trump administration:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-seals-f-35s-decapitation-strike-north-korea-2017-3

    Incredibly insane to recall how candidate Trump insisted that it's "not good" to tip off the Enemy about U.S. war plans? But now, and knowing how all the world is trained to consider Kim a madman (nut), what do you think he might be thinking (& might do) as word is put out that Navy Seals are ready to trounce Pyongyang like Baghdad 2003?

    The U.S./Zionists are now apparently fucking with North Korea who is said to possess a nuclear weapon arsenal. Anonymous (keith": Although Goldman Sachs Group is salivating to do un-tethered business in Jiaoping's China, do you see anything morally wrong with "Business Insider" having given an internet "heads up" to the rogue sate, N. Korea, while millions of people could get killed?

    If this situation is just waved off as old fashioned "gunboat diplomacy," we better do as Mao Zedong once recommended to his people during the Sino-Soviet split, which was "Dig deep holes."

    At least Iffen-iffen will be preoccupied with Sam Shama's article "links" for a spell?

    Thank you very much!

    You are right of course, this has a nuclear war potential second only to the other strike force which has been on the make for decades, and only now in deployment phase. They are so effective that need for secrecy – something in common with the decapitation forces you mention – is entirely unnecessary.

    I speak of this exceedingly lethal force : http://m.imdb.com/title/tt3949660/

    To borrow your inimitable words : I am deeply grateful to you for paying your precious attention to such

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  • @iffen
    I’ve also made it clear that as a matter of economic impact, the loans sent to Israel are not very significant

    I made my comment out of thin air.

    I am correct that by any economic measure, 3.8 billion is insignificant to the US.

    However, it seems that I am incorrect when considering the Israeli defense budget. According to Business Insider, the 3.8 billion works out to be about 21% of the defense budget and therefore does not qualify as chicken feed.

    Strategic Trade Authorization Exception, section 740.20(c)(1) of title 15, Code of Federal Regulations, basically is the applicable law under which Israel among a group of nations, can export and re-export defense armaments.

    Also look at Title 22, U.S. Code § 8603 – United States actions to assist in the defense of Israel and protect United States interests. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/8603

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    Are you are making the case that we should in the main consider Israel as a conduit?

    Should we subtract from the 3.8 amount that which is used for "US interests" and "US interests and Israeli interests," leaving a much smaller pure "Israeli interests" sum?

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  • ” — it is an imperative never to be stopped simply so a group of characters will stop croaking on the internet.”

    Dear Sam The Sham:

    How convenient that you dodged “Anonymous” (Keith) on this shameful “aid” matter and dropped deception bombs upon another Unz Review comment participant! Doing so is your M.O. and many here have caught on.

    Since I am here as Sam the Sham puts it, ” on the internet” and prior to going to work, (below) I will ask Anonymous (Keith) a question about a burning war issue now going on.

    (Please zip it, Sam “The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg” Shama, because my question is strictly for a person who has intellectual integrity and a conscience )

    Remember the W. Bush Neoconservatives most advertised war in human history? It was dubbed “Operation Iraq Freedom.” Presently, as North Korea has nuclear weapons & ICBM systems that allegedly can strike Japan and America, please look at the “Businessinsider” article, below, which (for me) advertises what Kim’s regime should be soon expecting from the Trump administration:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/us-navy-seals-f-35s-decapitation-strike-north-korea-2017-3

    Incredibly insane to recall how candidate Trump insisted that it’s “not good” to tip off the Enemy about U.S. war plans? But now, and knowing how all the world is trained to consider Kim a madman (nut), what do you think he might be thinking (& might do) as word is put out that Navy Seals are ready to trounce Pyongyang like Baghdad 2003?

    The U.S./Zionists are now apparently fucking with North Korea who is said to possess a nuclear weapon arsenal. Anonymous (keith”: Although Goldman Sachs Group is salivating to do un-tethered business in Jiaoping’s China, do you see anything morally wrong with “Business Insider” having given an internet “heads up” to the rogue sate, N. Korea, while millions of people could get killed?

    If this situation is just waved off as old fashioned “gunboat diplomacy,” we better do as Mao Zedong once recommended to his people during the Sino-Soviet split, which was “Dig deep holes.”

    At least Iffen-iffen will be preoccupied with Sam Shama’s article “links” for a spell?

    Thank you very much!

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    You are right of course, this has a nuclear war potential second only to the other strike force which has been on the make for decades, and only now in deployment phase. They are so effective that need for secrecy - something in common with the decapitation forces you mention - is entirely unnecessary.

    I speak of this exceedingly lethal force : http://m.imdb.com/title/tt3949660/

    To borrow your inimitable words : I am deeply grateful to you for paying your precious attention to such

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  • @Sam Shama
    Large nations throughout history have given "aid", which to this day remains a catch-all euphemism for influence capture, soft to direct regional dominance and genuine developmental assistance. Today, almost all of it gets packaged under Developmental Credit.

    I'd say as a percentage of GDP, the United States is getting a very decent deal spending all of 0.17% of GDP on ODA. Compare that to the European nations, Japan etc. and you'll get the picture. So, the dollars and cents "saved" if the U.S totally withdrew from ODA would be about $101.25 per capita per annum and if done selectively to Israel about $11.91. I don't think even your stupidest Congressperson will fail to see the cost-benefit equation.

    I've also made it clear that as a matter of economic impact, the loans sent to Israel are not very significant, but issued mostly on account of two things: (a) ongoing defence initiatives and (2) pure signalling.

    Here is the list of ODA's by country:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors

    As China makes her way to the economic summit, it interesting to note that while she provides a much smaller ODA, her overall broader economic assistance through direct investment is remarkable!

    http://blogs.cfr.org/development-channel/2013/03/26/emerging-voices-callan-blak-and-thomas-on-chinas-foreign-aid-and-investment-2/

    So, while it pleases many on this site to decry all foreign aid - a common refrain during periods of lower labour-force participation - it is an imperative never to be stopped simply so a group of characters will stop croaking on the internet.

    I’ve also made it clear that as a matter of economic impact, the loans sent to Israel are not very significant

    I made my comment out of thin air.

    I am correct that by any economic measure, 3.8 billion is insignificant to the US.

    However, it seems that I am incorrect when considering the Israeli defense budget. According to Business Insider, the 3.8 billion works out to be about 21% of the defense budget and therefore does not qualify as chicken feed.

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    Strategic Trade Authorization Exception, section 740.20(c)(1) of title 15, Code of Federal Regulations, basically is the applicable law under which Israel among a group of nations, can export and re-export defense armaments.

    Also look at Title 22, U.S. Code § 8603 - United States actions to assist in the defense of Israel and protect United States interests. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/22/8603
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    If it's such a trivial sum, why do Israel and its American fifth column fight tooth-and-nail to keep the subsidies flowing?

    Large nations throughout history have given “aid”, which to this day remains a catch-all euphemism for influence capture, soft to direct regional dominance and genuine developmental assistance. Today, almost all of it gets packaged under Developmental Credit.

    I’d say as a percentage of GDP, the United States is getting a very decent deal spending all of 0.17% of GDP on ODA. Compare that to the European nations, Japan etc. and you’ll get the picture. So, the dollars and cents “saved” if the U.S totally withdrew from ODA would be about $101.25 per capita per annum and if done selectively to Israel about $11.91. I don’t think even your stupidest Congressperson will fail to see the cost-benefit equation.

    I’ve also made it clear that as a matter of economic impact, the loans sent to Israel are not very significant, but issued mostly on account of two things: (a) ongoing defence initiatives and (2) pure signalling.

    Here is the list of ODA’s by country:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors

    As China makes her way to the economic summit, it interesting to note that while she provides a much smaller ODA, her overall broader economic assistance through direct investment is remarkable!

    http://blogs.cfr.org/development-channel/2013/03/26/emerging-voices-callan-blak-and-thomas-on-chinas-foreign-aid-and-investment-2/

    So, while it pleases many on this site to decry all foreign aid – a common refrain during periods of lower labour-force participation – it is an imperative never to be stopped simply so a group of characters will stop croaking on the internet.

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    I’ve also made it clear that as a matter of economic impact, the loans sent to Israel are not very significant

    I made my comment out of thin air.

    I am correct that by any economic measure, 3.8 billion is insignificant to the US.

    However, it seems that I am incorrect when considering the Israeli defense budget. According to Business Insider, the 3.8 billion works out to be about 21% of the defense budget and therefore does not qualify as chicken feed.
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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    If it's such a trivial sum, why do Israel and its American fifth column fight tooth-and-nail to keep the subsidies flowing?

    “Why do Israel & its American fifth column fight tooth-in-nail to keep subsidies flowing?”

    Excellent question, Beefcake the Mighty!

    Below, I will offer a guess:

    In his classic book, “Confessions,” St. Augustine writes about a strong (inner) impulse to steal rhubarb out of a garden, even though he did not like to eat it.

    I believe that wealthy Israel (legally) steals American money simply because they can not defeat the temptation to avoid not doing so.

    Even Sam “The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg” has expressed that he wished Israel would stop taking American “subsidies” which the Federal Reserve manages to simply put on the Un-American Express Gold Credit Card!

    Thanks again for your insightful comment!

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  • @Beefcake the Mighty
    If it's such a trivial sum, why do Israel and its American fifth column fight tooth-and-nail to keep the subsidies flowing?

    If it’s such a trivial sum, why do Israel and its American fifth column fight tooth-and-nail to keep the subsidies flowing?

    Maintaining and strengthening the bond.

    It’s the thought that counts.

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  • @iffen
    They receive 3.8 billion dollars from the American taxpayers a year and our country has a 21 trillion dollar debt

    Can't do big numbers after 4 glasses of wine.

    3.8 billion = chicken feed as part of 21 trillion dollar debt
    3.8 billion = chicken feed as part of Israeli budget

    If it’s such a trivial sum, why do Israel and its American fifth column fight tooth-and-nail to keep the subsidies flowing?

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    If it’s such a trivial sum, why do Israel and its American fifth column fight tooth-and-nail to keep the subsidies flowing?

    Maintaining and strengthening the bond.

    It's the thought that counts.

    , @Chuck Orloski
    "Why do Israel & its American fifth column fight tooth-in-nail to keep subsidies flowing?"

    Excellent question, Beefcake the Mighty!

    Below, I will offer a guess:

    In his classic book, "Confessions," St. Augustine writes about a strong (inner) impulse to steal rhubarb out of a garden, even though he did not like to eat it.

    I believe that wealthy Israel (legally) steals American money simply because they can not defeat the temptation to avoid not doing so.

    Even Sam "The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg" has expressed that he wished Israel would stop taking American "subsidies" which the Federal Reserve manages to simply put on the Un-American Express Gold Credit Card!

    Thanks again for your insightful comment!
    , @Sam Shama
    Large nations throughout history have given "aid", which to this day remains a catch-all euphemism for influence capture, soft to direct regional dominance and genuine developmental assistance. Today, almost all of it gets packaged under Developmental Credit.

    I'd say as a percentage of GDP, the United States is getting a very decent deal spending all of 0.17% of GDP on ODA. Compare that to the European nations, Japan etc. and you'll get the picture. So, the dollars and cents "saved" if the U.S totally withdrew from ODA would be about $101.25 per capita per annum and if done selectively to Israel about $11.91. I don't think even your stupidest Congressperson will fail to see the cost-benefit equation.

    I've also made it clear that as a matter of economic impact, the loans sent to Israel are not very significant, but issued mostly on account of two things: (a) ongoing defence initiatives and (2) pure signalling.

    Here is the list of ODA's by country:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_development_aid_country_donors

    As China makes her way to the economic summit, it interesting to note that while she provides a much smaller ODA, her overall broader economic assistance through direct investment is remarkable!

    http://blogs.cfr.org/development-channel/2013/03/26/emerging-voices-callan-blak-and-thomas-on-chinas-foreign-aid-and-investment-2/

    So, while it pleases many on this site to decry all foreign aid - a common refrain during periods of lower labour-force participation - it is an imperative never to be stopped simply so a group of characters will stop croaking on the internet.

    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    I note that the leading Hasbaras here have not bothered to answer this question.
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  • @geokat62

    Especially when you got taken to the intellectual woodshed. Run, run away.
     
    Ah, the crow has finally landed. I've been waiting for you.

    Look, I promised Chuck that I wouldn't clog up Phil's comment section with any more OT comments. But should you wish to continue this conversation, I suggest you waddle over to another thread [No Campus (Or Country) for White Men], where the topic of Prof. Martin and black slavery is more apropos.

    I look forward to your response to comment #19.

    geokat62 speaking to Corvinus”:
    “Look I promised Chuck to not clog up Phil’s comment section with more OT comments.”

    The world of Jewish deception is too much with Corvinus, and I avoided making a reply to his attempt to take me hostage inside his “Romper Room”-level game where he cleverly fixes the outcome to his argument’s advantage.

    What’s more, geokat62, I truly believe that Corvinus could not face the facts of his own existence.

    I hate to draw either you, or anyone else away, from Anonymous (Keith’s) very intelligent, witty, and important comments, (#’s 429 & 439), but I just want to ask you to pause a moment in order to remember the life of the Dead Man noted in the Haaretz article, “linked” below .
    .

    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/this-day-in-jewish-history/1864-global-trade-tycoon-david-sassoon-dies-1.475878

    P.S.: Iffen-iffen Calling Sam “The Nazi-Hunting Dawg” Shama! ; Help! Nazi commenters are circling around my bubble bath (which I feel is a flagrant violation of Bathsheba’s law). Help me, Sam? I need your intervention quick before I sink any lower!

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen
    They receive 3.8 billion dollars from the American taxpayers a year and our country has a 21 trillion dollar debt

    Can't do big numbers after 4 glasses of wine.

    3.8 billion = chicken feed as part of 21 trillion dollar debt
    3.8 billion = chicken feed as part of Israeli budget

    Keith says:

    “3.8 billion = Chicken Feed as part of of a 21 trillion dollar debt.”

    Tell that to the schools kids in Detroit who
    have been drinking lead contaminated water. We could use the chicken feed to rebuild our inner cities.

    3.8 billion= Chicken feed as part of Israel’s budget.

    You must be drinking potent German beer.

    Again, you are making my case against aid to Israel. If Israel is so successful financially, why does Israel, every ten years come begging?

    Just the other day, I saw a commercial on Fox News, where a Rabbi is asking for more money from Americans to buy care packages to feed Holocaust survivors.

    Is the 3.8 billion going to Bibi to buy ice cream”?

    If Israel doesn’t need the foreign aid, then why demand it. Is Israel just trying to piss off the American Nationalists and put on display their power over our corrupt politicians? The treasonous US politicians, who can’t stop Cheerleading for a foreign country?

    Iffen… you are starting to make the Hasbara trolls look bad. I strongly suggest you just sip the beer and be silent.

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    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    Dear Anonymous,

    You might be either at work or sleeping, but I have asked you a question (see comment # 442) where I linked a "Business Insider" report on how the Trump administration is gearing up a Navy Seal team to liberate North Korean Kim from his leadership job.

    While driving school bus and listening to elementary students scream and a pretty good song by Beyonce, I began to consider how in the hell did the "Business Insider" get word on the president's 'plan to out Kim. Humph -- talk about all the "leaks" jumping out of the White House woodwork sine New Years, I naturally began to wonder how "Business Insider" got their rather high-level information.

    Upon reaching my iffen-flat, I searched the internet in order to determine the ownership of "Business Insider." My search was a success, and I learned that in September 2015, "Business Insider" was acquired by the German publishing "powerhouse," Axel Springer for only $450 million The Axel Springer C.E.O. is Mathias Dopfner; spelled with an umlaut "o."

    Having looked further into "Axel Springer," I found the pressreader article (below) in which you might be interested. (Note: Had iffen-iffen an independent brain from that of Sam the Sham, I would advise him to search "pressreader")

    https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-jewish-chronicle/20170120/282016147031416


    post scriptum: I regret an attempt to overfill your "cup," but in today's Wall Street Journal "Letters to the Editor," there is one that stands out and will be certain to please "The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg."

    The WSJ letter was written by Harry M. Fleisch, titled "Beware the Dismissal of Germany's Nazi Past." Mr. Fleissh's letter is quite long but since I'm doing little more than this, I will type it in full, below. (NOTE: First off, draw your gas mask from out of your family's home "survival kit" and be ready to don it)

    To the Editor:

    "(Fraulein) Frauke Petry of the AdF party asserts that American forces after WW II allowed German P.O.W's to die of hunger in in the camps on the Rhine meadows. I was a first lieutenant in those forces with responsibility for coordination & treatment of Germans exactly in the Rhine meadows."

    "In chaotic circumstances, masses of Germans were thrust under our authority starting in February 1945, before war ended in May of that year."

    "I can personally assure Ms. Petry that we American soldiers made enormous efforts to feed and shelter displaced Germans in a humane manner. Some Germans did die in an outbreak of typhoid. All of this stands in utter contrast to THE GERMAN MURDEROUS GASSING OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. (it's my 'capital' letter emphasis) Any comparison is beyond moral relativism, it is simply not true."

    "Revived German pride, buttressed with revisionist false history is dangerous. It is precisely what alarms those few of us still alive who were there. And it should concern Germans and German watchers the world over." -- by Harry M. Fleisch, Rye, N.Y., March 13, 2017

    Oh well, Anonymous, I must go gas some Franco American canned spaghetti and eat. Good night!
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  • @Anon
    Keith says:

    "Stop parroting NAZI propaganda and nobody will know"

    Iffen... stop using the "N" word. The defensive trick doesn't work any longer on American Nationalists.

    http://www.wethepeoplereport.com/israel/israeli-minister-called-accusation-anti-semitism-trick-silence-criticism-israel-video/

    You are starting to sound like an enforcer for the ADL.

    The only people who see a NAZI under every rock, are the Hasbara trolls, useful idiots in Hollywood, who know who butters their bread, and the Christian Zionists.

    Stop parroting the ADL propaganda and nobody will know. Are you trying to raise donations
    for the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center?

    http://www.wethepeoplereport.com/israel/israeli-minister-called-accusation-anti-semitism-trick-silence-criticism-israel-video/

    Dear Anon (Keith),

    (Iffen)-iffen has limited brain power and the excellent articles you have “linked” are way beyond his comprehension cap.

    In all likelihood, he must now wait for Sam “The Nazi-Hunting Dawg” Shama’s special forces “Hasbara” reinforcement to arrive.

    One more thing, did you read (iffen)-iffen’s remarkably stupid comment on Lebanon’s inability to grow and prosper like leach Israel did? Ha-ha! Even Sam The Sham must have cringed at such a stupid comment.

    “Hi-ho,hi ho,” it’s off to an honorable form of work I go…, thank you!

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  • @geokat62

    I live at 601 Union Street, 2nd floor Apartment, Taylor, PA 18517.
     
    Hey, Chuck. If I'm ever near your neck of the woods, I'll be sure to pay you a visit.

    Dear geokat62,

    If a you’re ever nearby the N.E. Pennsylvania area, I’d be very happy to welcome you to stay at our Taylor home and, given time, I’d show you around town. Thank you!

    post scriptum: I’d make the same offer to iffen-iffen, but I fear he might go to the Taylor Hill laundromat, steal panties out of working girl’s dirt laundry baskets, and start to chew on soiled panties.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen
    To iffen, Sam “The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg” Shama, and any other people who get high by calling me a Nazi

    Deep breathe, Chuck, get those panties out of a wad.

    Stop parroting Nazi propaganda and nobody will know.

    Keith says:

    “Stop parroting NAZI propaganda and nobody will know”

    Iffen… stop using the “N” word. The defensive trick doesn’t work any longer on American Nationalists.

    http://www.wethepeoplereport.com/israel/israeli-minister-called-accusation-anti-semitism-trick-silence-criticism-israel-video/

    You are starting to sound like an enforcer for the ADL.

    The only people who see a NAZI under every rock, are the Hasbara trolls, useful idiots in Hollywood, who know who butters their bread, and the Christian Zionists.

    Stop parroting the ADL propaganda and nobody will know. Are you trying to raise donations
    for the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center?

    http://www.wethepeoplereport.com/israel/israeli-minister-called-accusation-anti-semitism-trick-silence-criticism-israel-video/

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    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    Dear Anon (Keith),

    (Iffen)-iffen has limited brain power and the excellent articles you have "linked" are way beyond his comprehension cap.

    In all likelihood, he must now wait for Sam "The Nazi-Hunting Dawg" Shama's special forces "Hasbara" reinforcement to arrive.

    One more thing, did you read (iffen)-iffen's remarkably stupid comment on Lebanon's inability to grow and prosper like leach Israel did? Ha-ha! Even Sam The Sham must have cringed at such a stupid comment.

    "Hi-ho,hi ho," it's off to an honorable form of work I go..., thank you!
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  • @Anon
    Keith says:

    "Credit where credit is due"?

    Are serious or a practical joker?

    Why give credit to the welfare state of Israel. They receive 3.8 billion dollars from the American taxpayers a year and our country has a 21 trillion dollar debt. Our infrastructure is delapated and millions of Americans don't have adequate health care. Israelis are building subsidized homes on ethnic cleansed land and millions of Americans have foreclosed on their homes. America has spent several trillion dollars fighting wars for Israel and we lost thosands of Americans in wars in the Middle East. We now face terrorism because of our support for Israel and Cheerleading for Israel in the UN. Lastly, we have Dual loyalist Israelis buying our politicians, including the US presidency.

    Without American financial, political and economic slavish support,
    Israel would be a cat litter box country, trying to survive just like Lebanon.

    Why wait for the America ship to sink and abandon it like rats. Leave now and see if you can, on your own, with the other dual loyalists, and personally make an effort to insure Israel's success.

    Maybe you will be even given a opportunity to fight and die for your back-up country.

    In the mean time, I will do what I can to "Make American Great" and safe and prosperous for my family.

    Thank you for making my case for the need for American nationalism.

    If you make Aliya now, you will be able to gear up in time for war with Iran.

    Israel always gets their wars.

    They receive 3.8 billion dollars from the American taxpayers a year and our country has a 21 trillion dollar debt

    Can’t do big numbers after 4 glasses of wine.

    3.8 billion = chicken feed as part of 21 trillion dollar debt
    3.8 billion = chicken feed as part of Israeli budget

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    Keith says:

    "3.8 billion = Chicken Feed as part of of a 21 trillion dollar debt."

    Tell that to the schools kids in Detroit who
    have been drinking lead contaminated water. We could use the chicken feed to rebuild our inner cities.

    3.8 billion= Chicken feed as part of Israel's budget.

    You must be drinking potent German beer.

    Again, you are making my case against aid to Israel. If Israel is so successful financially, why does Israel, every ten years come begging?

    Just the other day, I saw a commercial on Fox News, where a Rabbi is asking for more money from Americans to buy care packages to feed Holocaust survivors.

    Is the 3.8 billion going to Bibi to buy ice cream"?

    If Israel doesn't need the foreign aid, then why demand it. Is Israel just trying to piss off the American Nationalists and put on display their power over our corrupt politicians? The treasonous US politicians, who can't stop Cheerleading for a foreign country?

    Iffen... you are starting to make the Hasbara trolls look bad. I strongly suggest you just sip the beer and be silent.
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
    If it's such a trivial sum, why do Israel and its American fifth column fight tooth-and-nail to keep the subsidies flowing?
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  • @Chuck Orloski
    "if America falls apart, we do not have a country we can run to, like the American Jews.

    Dear Anonymous,

    I disagree.

    # 1, America has fallen apart due to the prolonged deviate work of Zionists who have taken control over the three branches of the U.S. government. Hollywood, TV, and the Corporate Media has put the wrecking ball to higher Christian principles which at one time helped form my world view.

    # 2, I will be frank. Life is short and the only Country one can really run to is that which was not made by mortal human hands. That's what persecuted Jesus Christ meant when he gave a "heads up" to his followers, and spoke (rather mystically) about "His Kingdom and not being of this world."

    #3, With all my heart, I respect what you say, "We are loyal to America and America only.... IT'S JUST (extremely distorted) POLITICS -- it has nothing to do with NAZISM."

    To iffen, Sam "The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg" Shama, and any other people who get high by calling me a Nazi, I say this: I live at 601 Union Street, 2nd floor Apartment, Taylor, PA 18517. The best time to confront me is after my school bus run which ends daily @ 8:30 a.m. I will be available to make encounter with the two of you, and as you please, perhaps a "Nazi-hunting" goon squad... like the one author Christopher Bollyn reportedly encountered when he started research on his book, "Solving 9-11." If you're serious, I will issue my cell phone number to hasten an appointment!

    Thanks, Anonymous... I trust you have the wisdom to realize that it's not my intent to insult your intelligence and goodwill. Decades ago, I read Herman Melville's "Billy Budd" and I learned a lot about how to handle petty tyrants with above average IQ's. Consequently, I am not about to take any shit from iffen and Sam Shama, and I really do not care if Zionist affiliated agents of our sold-out government are monitoring this comment exchange.

    Saint Paul to The Romans, 229; pax in terra and good night. I

    To iffen, Sam “The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg” Shama, and any other people who get high by calling me a Nazi

    Deep breathe, Chuck, get those panties out of a wad.

    Stop parroting Nazi propaganda and nobody will know.

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    Keith says:

    "Stop parroting NAZI propaganda and nobody will know"

    Iffen... stop using the "N" word. The defensive trick doesn't work any longer on American Nationalists.

    http://www.wethepeoplereport.com/israel/israeli-minister-called-accusation-anti-semitism-trick-silence-criticism-israel-video/

    You are starting to sound like an enforcer for the ADL.

    The only people who see a NAZI under every rock, are the Hasbara trolls, useful idiots in Hollywood, who know who butters their bread, and the Christian Zionists.

    Stop parroting the ADL propaganda and nobody will know. Are you trying to raise donations
    for the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center?

    http://www.wethepeoplereport.com/israel/israeli-minister-called-accusation-anti-semitism-trick-silence-criticism-israel-video/
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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen
    If America falls apart, we do not have a country we can run to, like the American Jews.

    Yeah, that does seem to be quite the advantage, having a back-up country, but they have put a lot of effort into making it a success. Credit where credit is due.

    Just look at Lebanon. The great powers set up Lebanon around the same time and they couldn't even keep it on the road, much less add to it.

    Keith says:

    “Credit where credit is due”?

    Are serious or a practical joker?

    Why give credit to the welfare state of Israel. They receive 3.8 billion dollars from the American taxpayers a year and our country has a 21 trillion dollar debt. Our infrastructure is delapated and millions of Americans don’t have adequate health care. Israelis are building subsidized homes on ethnic cleansed land and millions of Americans have foreclosed on their homes. America has spent several trillion dollars fighting wars for Israel and we lost thosands of Americans in wars in the Middle East. We now face terrorism because of our support for Israel and Cheerleading for Israel in the UN. Lastly, we have Dual loyalist Israelis buying our politicians, including the US presidency.

    Without American financial, political and economic slavish support,
    Israel would be a cat litter box country, trying to survive just like Lebanon.

    Why wait for the America ship to sink and abandon it like rats. Leave now and see if you can, on your own, with the other dual loyalists, and personally make an effort to insure Israel’s success.

    Maybe you will be even given a opportunity to fight and die for your back-up country.

    In the mean time, I will do what I can to “Make American Great” and safe and prosperous for my family.

    Thank you for making my case for the need for American nationalism.

    If you make Aliya now, you will be able to gear up in time for war with Iran.

    Israel always gets their wars.

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    They receive 3.8 billion dollars from the American taxpayers a year and our country has a 21 trillion dollar debt

    Can't do big numbers after 4 glasses of wine.

    3.8 billion = chicken feed as part of 21 trillion dollar debt
    3.8 billion = chicken feed as part of Israeli budget
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  • @Chuck Orloski
    "if America falls apart, we do not have a country we can run to, like the American Jews.

    Dear Anonymous,

    I disagree.

    # 1, America has fallen apart due to the prolonged deviate work of Zionists who have taken control over the three branches of the U.S. government. Hollywood, TV, and the Corporate Media has put the wrecking ball to higher Christian principles which at one time helped form my world view.

    # 2, I will be frank. Life is short and the only Country one can really run to is that which was not made by mortal human hands. That's what persecuted Jesus Christ meant when he gave a "heads up" to his followers, and spoke (rather mystically) about "His Kingdom and not being of this world."

    #3, With all my heart, I respect what you say, "We are loyal to America and America only.... IT'S JUST (extremely distorted) POLITICS -- it has nothing to do with NAZISM."

    To iffen, Sam "The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg" Shama, and any other people who get high by calling me a Nazi, I say this: I live at 601 Union Street, 2nd floor Apartment, Taylor, PA 18517. The best time to confront me is after my school bus run which ends daily @ 8:30 a.m. I will be available to make encounter with the two of you, and as you please, perhaps a "Nazi-hunting" goon squad... like the one author Christopher Bollyn reportedly encountered when he started research on his book, "Solving 9-11." If you're serious, I will issue my cell phone number to hasten an appointment!

    Thanks, Anonymous... I trust you have the wisdom to realize that it's not my intent to insult your intelligence and goodwill. Decades ago, I read Herman Melville's "Billy Budd" and I learned a lot about how to handle petty tyrants with above average IQ's. Consequently, I am not about to take any shit from iffen and Sam Shama, and I really do not care if Zionist affiliated agents of our sold-out government are monitoring this comment exchange.

    Saint Paul to The Romans, 229; pax in terra and good night. I

    I live at 601 Union Street, 2nd floor Apartment, Taylor, PA 18517.

    Hey, Chuck. If I’m ever near your neck of the woods, I’ll be sure to pay you a visit.

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    Dear geokat62,

    If a you're ever nearby the N.E. Pennsylvania area, I'd be very happy to welcome you to stay at our Taylor home and, given time, I'd show you around town. Thank you!

    post scriptum: I'd make the same offer to iffen-iffen, but I fear he might go to the Taylor Hill laundromat, steal panties out of working girl's dirt laundry baskets, and start to chew on soiled panties.
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  • @Corvinus
    "In deference to your wishes, Chuck, Rover will let this bone go."

    Especially when you got taken to the intellectual woodshed. Run, run away.

    Especially when you got taken to the intellectual woodshed. Run, run away.

    Ah, the crow has finally landed. I’ve been waiting for you.

    Look, I promised Chuck that I wouldn’t clog up Phil’s comment section with any more OT comments. But should you wish to continue this conversation, I suggest you waddle over to another thread [No Campus (Or Country) for White Men], where the topic of Prof. Martin and black slavery is more apropos.

    I look forward to your response to comment #19.

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    geokat62 speaking to Corvinus":
    "Look I promised Chuck to not clog up Phil's comment section with more OT comments."

    The world of Jewish deception is too much with Corvinus, and I avoided making a reply to his attempt to take me hostage inside his "Romper Room"-level game where he cleverly fixes the outcome to his argument's advantage.

    What's more, geokat62, I truly believe that Corvinus could not face the facts of his own existence.

    I hate to draw either you, or anyone else away, from Anonymous (Keith's) very intelligent, witty, and important comments, (#'s 429 & 439), but I just want to ask you to pause a moment in order to remember the life of the Dead Man noted in the Haaretz article, "linked" below .
    .
    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/this-day-in-jewish-history/1864-global-trade-tycoon-david-sassoon-dies-1.475878

    P.S.: Iffen-iffen Calling Sam "The Nazi-Hunting Dawg" Shama! ; Help! Nazi commenters are circling around my bubble bath (which I feel is a flagrant violation of Bathsheba's law). Help me, Sam? I need your intervention quick before I sink any lower!
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  • @Anon
    Keith says:

    " We haven't had any propaganda of the week picks from S2C."

    That statement coming from Hasbara central is like the pot calling the kennel black.

    How much does the Lobby pay you to challenge the "American First" Dunkin Donut radicals here in the UNZ?

    I know... you consider me a NAZI because I am an American Nationalists.

    "Remember, it is a trick", the Jews always call American First Nationalists, NAZIs.

    The American First position is not racist. American Nationalists don't care if Jews get circumcised, separate food on their dinner plate, how they slaughter their cattle, or pray to King Netanyahu.

    We just have different national interests than the Jewish dual loyalists.

    We are loyal to America and America only. The American Zionists are Israel firsters.

    ITS JUST POLITICS - it has nothing to do with NAZISM.

    To learn more about the the political divide, go to the Institute for Historical Review and read about the Spanish Inquisition.

    Bibi Netanyahu's father was a historian and wrote about the politics that was behind the Spanish inquisition. History is repeating itself.

    American Nationalists don't have an insurance policy like the American Jews.
    If America falls apart, we do not have a country we can run to, like the American Jews.

    America is all we got, this is why nationalism is on the rise.

    “if America falls apart, we do not have a country we can run to, like the American Jews.

    Dear Anonymous,

    I disagree.

    # 1, America has fallen apart due to the prolonged deviate work of Zionists who have taken control over the three branches of the U.S. government. Hollywood, TV, and the Corporate Media has put the wrecking ball to higher Christian principles which at one time helped form my world view.

    # 2, I will be frank. Life is short and the only Country one can really run to is that which was not made by mortal human hands. That’s what persecuted Jesus Christ meant when he gave a “heads up” to his followers, and spoke (rather mystically) about “His Kingdom and not being of this world.”

    #3, With all my heart, I respect what you say, “We are loyal to America and America only…. IT’S JUST (extremely distorted) POLITICS — it has nothing to do with NAZISM.”

    To iffen, Sam “The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg” Shama, and any other people who get high by calling me a Nazi, I say this: I live at 601 Union Street, 2nd floor Apartment, Taylor, PA 18517. The best time to confront me is after my school bus run which ends daily @ 8:30 a.m. I will be available to make encounter with the two of you, and as you please, perhaps a “Nazi-hunting” goon squad… like the one author Christopher Bollyn reportedly encountered when he started research on his book, “Solving 9-11.” If you’re serious, I will issue my cell phone number to hasten an appointment!

    Thanks, Anonymous… I trust you have the wisdom to realize that it’s not my intent to insult your intelligence and goodwill. Decades ago, I read Herman Melville’s “Billy Budd” and I learned a lot about how to handle petty tyrants with above average IQ’s. Consequently, I am not about to take any shit from iffen and Sam Shama, and I really do not care if Zionist affiliated agents of our sold-out government are monitoring this comment exchange.

    Saint Paul to The Romans, 229; pax in terra and good night. I

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    I live at 601 Union Street, 2nd floor Apartment, Taylor, PA 18517.
     
    Hey, Chuck. If I'm ever near your neck of the woods, I'll be sure to pay you a visit.
    , @iffen
    To iffen, Sam “The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg” Shama, and any other people who get high by calling me a Nazi

    Deep breathe, Chuck, get those panties out of a wad.

    Stop parroting Nazi propaganda and nobody will know.
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  • @Anon
    Keith says:

    " We haven't had any propaganda of the week picks from S2C."

    That statement coming from Hasbara central is like the pot calling the kennel black.

    How much does the Lobby pay you to challenge the "American First" Dunkin Donut radicals here in the UNZ?

    I know... you consider me a NAZI because I am an American Nationalists.

    "Remember, it is a trick", the Jews always call American First Nationalists, NAZIs.

    The American First position is not racist. American Nationalists don't care if Jews get circumcised, separate food on their dinner plate, how they slaughter their cattle, or pray to King Netanyahu.

    We just have different national interests than the Jewish dual loyalists.

    We are loyal to America and America only. The American Zionists are Israel firsters.

    ITS JUST POLITICS - it has nothing to do with NAZISM.

    To learn more about the the political divide, go to the Institute for Historical Review and read about the Spanish Inquisition.

    Bibi Netanyahu's father was a historian and wrote about the politics that was behind the Spanish inquisition. History is repeating itself.

    American Nationalists don't have an insurance policy like the American Jews.
    If America falls apart, we do not have a country we can run to, like the American Jews.

    America is all we got, this is why nationalism is on the rise.

    If America falls apart, we do not have a country we can run to, like the American Jews.

    Yeah, that does seem to be quite the advantage, having a back-up country, but they have put a lot of effort into making it a success. Credit where credit is due.

    Just look at Lebanon. The great powers set up Lebanon around the same time and they couldn’t even keep it on the road, much less add to it.

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    Keith says:

    "Credit where credit is due"?

    Are serious or a practical joker?

    Why give credit to the welfare state of Israel. They receive 3.8 billion dollars from the American taxpayers a year and our country has a 21 trillion dollar debt. Our infrastructure is delapated and millions of Americans don't have adequate health care. Israelis are building subsidized homes on ethnic cleansed land and millions of Americans have foreclosed on their homes. America has spent several trillion dollars fighting wars for Israel and we lost thosands of Americans in wars in the Middle East. We now face terrorism because of our support for Israel and Cheerleading for Israel in the UN. Lastly, we have Dual loyalist Israelis buying our politicians, including the US presidency.

    Without American financial, political and economic slavish support,
    Israel would be a cat litter box country, trying to survive just like Lebanon.

    Why wait for the America ship to sink and abandon it like rats. Leave now and see if you can, on your own, with the other dual loyalists, and personally make an effort to insure Israel's success.

    Maybe you will be even given a opportunity to fight and die for your back-up country.

    In the mean time, I will do what I can to "Make American Great" and safe and prosperous for my family.

    Thank you for making my case for the need for American nationalism.

    If you make Aliya now, you will be able to gear up in time for war with Iran.

    Israel always gets their wars.
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  • @Chuck Orloski
    "... you (Corvinus) need to provide a statistic of your own... for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840. I'm still waiting.'

    Dear geokat62,

    As always, I come to you in peace. Regrading you marathon debate with Corvinus, and as I a far from being an expert on slave ownership during mid-1800's, I offer the two suggestions, below:

    1.) I trust there are others here @ Unz Review interested in the topic on the percentage of Jews (based in southern states) who owned slaves. Speaking respectfully, the argument is narrow to a point of my wanting to whack myself in the head!

    With G-d's help and by comment # 400, I am hopeful you guys will ask the BIG question as to WHO PROFITED by organizing slave round ups and transporting them to the New World for assignment. No doubt, this highly organized EVIL slave trade operation might be compared to the profits garnered in today's life destroying heroin trade! Does this pick your arm with a dirty needle?

    2.) What Corvinus and you debate is "small change" in comparison to the activities of Sephardic Jews & the West Indies Co. which was the primary outfit that transported slaves to the New World! (Sigh) While you guys argue endlessly about percentages of slaves owned by Jews in the American south (mid-19th century)..., I am gone NUMB that zero (0) consideration is given to the fact that slaves were also delivered to countries like Brazil & the Caribbean Islands and astronomical high profit margins prevailed for the shipping magnates. Who were the S. American slave owners, & besides being adherents to satanism, what creed?

    Finally, there is not one (1) even mid-level "Cheerleader for Israel" who would break trust and describe WHO manages & profits from mighty Afghanistan opium cultivation and multi-national distribution. But please note that there's one guy (presently M.I.A. at The Unz Review comment exchange) who has the balls to say that which patriotic American parents of heroin addicts need to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

    Peace be upon Rehmat1 and refer to his web site below?

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/11/20/israel-benefits-from-afghan-opium-cultivation/

    Post scriptum: Geokat62, please try and subdue ill feelings for me? I know how you intellectually, & with a conscience, engage in serious discussions. However, I am smelling the exhaust of missing Zyklon B each time I see you and Corvinus wrestle with the abomination that happened during the mid-19th century when there is so much evil shit happening right now..., while millions of slaves-to-the-TV are sadly more interested in determining who killed JonBenet Ramsey. Thanks and good night!

    “With G-d’s help and by comment # 400, I am hopeful you guys will ask the BIG question as to WHO PROFITED by organizing slave round ups and transporting them to the New World for assignment.”

    Easy answer. Europeans. Some were Jews and others were non-Jews.

    “I am gone NUMB that zero (0) consideration is given to the fact that slaves were also delivered to countries like Brazil & the Caribbean Islands and astronomical high profit margins prevailed for the shipping magnates. Who were the S. American slave owners, & besides being adherents to satanism, what creed?”

    Another easy answer. Europeans. Some were Jews and others were non-Jews.

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  • @geokat62

    Post scriptum: Geokat62, please try and subdue ill feelings for me? I know how you intellectually, & with a conscience, engage in serious discussions. However, I am smelling the exhaust of missing Zyklon B each time I see you and Corvinus wrestle with the abomination that happened during the mid-19th century when there is so much evil shit happening right now…, while millions of slaves-to-the-TV are sadly more interested in determining who killed JonBenet Ramsey. Thanks and good night!
     
    In deference to your wishes, Chuck, Rover will let this bone go.

    “In deference to your wishes, Chuck, Rover will let this bone go.”

    Especially when you got taken to the intellectual woodshed. Run, run away.

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    Especially when you got taken to the intellectual woodshed. Run, run away.
     
    Ah, the crow has finally landed. I've been waiting for you.

    Look, I promised Chuck that I wouldn't clog up Phil's comment section with any more OT comments. But should you wish to continue this conversation, I suggest you waddle over to another thread [No Campus (Or Country) for White Men], where the topic of Prof. Martin and black slavery is more apropos.

    I look forward to your response to comment #19.

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  • @HdC
    OK you win.

    I'll correct my original statement of "never" and limit it to the last 1000 years or so.

    Thusly, during the slave trading mania years the Germanic nations of the Holy Roman Empire decried slavery and did not participate in same.

    As to "some of them were ..." I submit that the majority of the inhabitants of Germantown were from Germany and some from Holland; consequently the anti-slavery petition was of German immigrant origin and backing. A perusal of newspapers of that time, available via google, would disclose this.

    Just in passing: Ad hominem attacks are the final refuge of the out-argued scoundrel." HdC

    Peace! Actually I am on your side. Understand your sentiments but sentiments must be subservients to facts.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen
    Speaking of the devil, we haven't had any propaganda of the week picks from S2C.

    Keith says:

    ” We haven’t had any propaganda of the week picks from S2C.”

    That statement coming from Hasbara central is like the pot calling the kennel black.

    How much does the Lobby pay you to challenge the “American First” Dunkin Donut radicals here in the UNZ?

    I know… you consider me a NAZI because I am an American Nationalists.

    “Remember, it is a trick”, the Jews always call American First Nationalists, NAZIs.

    The American First position is not racist. American Nationalists don’t care if Jews get circumcised, separate food on their dinner plate, how they slaughter their cattle, or pray to King Netanyahu.

    We just have different national interests than the Jewish dual loyalists.

    We are loyal to America and America only. The American Zionists are Israel firsters.

    ITS JUST POLITICS – it has nothing to do with NAZISM.

    To learn more about the the political divide, go to the Institute for Historical Review and read about the Spanish Inquisition.

    Bibi Netanyahu’s father was a historian and wrote about the politics that was behind the Spanish inquisition. History is repeating itself.

    American Nationalists don’t have an insurance policy like the American Jews.
    If America falls apart, we do not have a country we can run to, like the American Jews.

    America is all we got, this is why nationalism is on the rise.

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    If America falls apart, we do not have a country we can run to, like the American Jews.

    Yeah, that does seem to be quite the advantage, having a back-up country, but they have put a lot of effort into making it a success. Credit where credit is due.

    Just look at Lebanon. The great powers set up Lebanon around the same time and they couldn't even keep it on the road, much less add to it.
    , @Chuck Orloski
    "if America falls apart, we do not have a country we can run to, like the American Jews.

    Dear Anonymous,

    I disagree.

    # 1, America has fallen apart due to the prolonged deviate work of Zionists who have taken control over the three branches of the U.S. government. Hollywood, TV, and the Corporate Media has put the wrecking ball to higher Christian principles which at one time helped form my world view.

    # 2, I will be frank. Life is short and the only Country one can really run to is that which was not made by mortal human hands. That's what persecuted Jesus Christ meant when he gave a "heads up" to his followers, and spoke (rather mystically) about "His Kingdom and not being of this world."

    #3, With all my heart, I respect what you say, "We are loyal to America and America only.... IT'S JUST (extremely distorted) POLITICS -- it has nothing to do with NAZISM."

    To iffen, Sam "The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg" Shama, and any other people who get high by calling me a Nazi, I say this: I live at 601 Union Street, 2nd floor Apartment, Taylor, PA 18517. The best time to confront me is after my school bus run which ends daily @ 8:30 a.m. I will be available to make encounter with the two of you, and as you please, perhaps a "Nazi-hunting" goon squad... like the one author Christopher Bollyn reportedly encountered when he started research on his book, "Solving 9-11." If you're serious, I will issue my cell phone number to hasten an appointment!

    Thanks, Anonymous... I trust you have the wisdom to realize that it's not my intent to insult your intelligence and goodwill. Decades ago, I read Herman Melville's "Billy Budd" and I learned a lot about how to handle petty tyrants with above average IQ's. Consequently, I am not about to take any shit from iffen and Sam Shama, and I really do not care if Zionist affiliated agents of our sold-out government are monitoring this comment exchange.

    Saint Paul to The Romans, 229; pax in terra and good night. I
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  • @Anonymous
    https://armedrobbery.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/witchofthewest.jpg

    Dear Anonymous,

    Corresponding beautifully with this article’s picture, your “link” is a real pisser. Tremendous find! And thanks for posting it.

    A suggestion. It will be nice if Unz Review commenters would input thought on what they think the (depicted) witch is saying, while pointing it’s sickly green finger at our bewildered faces?

    Oh well… I’ll start with a paraphrase of the popular U.S. military slogan, from 1940s-1950s era.

    “Uncle Sam Shama needs you to support Israel’s wars!”

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    Dear Anonymous,

    Corresponding beautifully with this article's picture, your "link" is a real pisser. Tremendous find! And thanks for posting it.

    A suggestion. It will be nice if Unz Review commenters would input thought on what they think the (depicted) witch is saying, while pointing it's sickly green finger at our bewildered faces?

    Oh well... I'll start with a paraphrase of the popular U.S. military slogan, from 1940s-1950s era.

    "Uncle Sam Shama needs you to support Israel's wars!"
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  • @Miro23
    I don't have any secret knowledge about the US Election, but I've read Trumps books and followed what he's been doing over the years.

    I would call him an opportunist. He's good at evaluating different situations and when he thinks that he can put together a winning coalition he goes for it in a big way. He works hard (hands on), values personal loyalty and quickly eliminates people who don't perform.

    In other words he's a very effective player, as he proved again in the Republican selection process and the election itself.

    His "Power Structure" is just an alliance of all the people who supported him (I don't see any shadowy forces in the background) :

    - The middle class who have little improvement in their standard of living
    - The unemployed hit by outsourcing.
    - The unskilled facing competition from large scale Latino immigration.
    - The military through having long term friendly contacts with him and being traditionalists.
    - The MIC through promises to increase military spending.
    - The South through being described as "Deplorables" by HRC.
    - The Neo-cons through his targeting Iran.
    - Israelis through his lack of interest in Palestinians and "Jerusalem as capital" statement.
    - Some women through his desire to reform education.
    - Some Blacks through his promise to tackle inner city unemployment.
    - Some Latinos through his traditional social views.
    - Many people through his emphasis on Law and Order and support of the police.
    - Small business owners looking forward to lower taxes.
    - People sick of the waste and expense of ME wars, wanting money spent on infrastructure.
    - People who didn't like Clinton's reckless plan to provoke Russia and risk WW3

    The only people who seem to be excluded are the SJW crowd, the MSM and outsourcing corporations/Wall St. (with all the associated Special Interest Plutocrats) although they seem to be coming round.

    Trump has gathered together a very disparate group of supporters and he can't give them all that they want, so on past form, he'll probably wait to see which way the wind blows and then decide which of them to emphasize/fade to best suits his purposes (Trump First).

    “I read Trump’s books and followed his fortunes… I would call him an opportunist… and he’ll probably wait to see which way the wind blows.”

    Dear Miro23,

    I regret having taken so long to make response to your commendable political thought, comment # 397.

    These days, & for better or worse, the high art of political poetry ( in the U.S.) has turned into what’s called “identity,” agenda driven poetry. i.e.; Affordable mouth wash for pet dogs! Such poets typically get opportunities to read their works at White House elite Democrat or G.O.P. bonfire-assemblies & that result in resounding cheers.

    Such watered-down poetry is a U.S. political reality, and singer-songwriters sometimes fill the void, for one example, when Steve Earle released his unconventional L.P. titled, “Jerusalem.” To my dismay, after he released the great song, “The Revolution Starts Now,” the rather obscure & rebellious Mr. Earle came to terms with GMC truck and his radical song became soundtrack for Chevy truck TV commercials.

    In good conscience, how can I, as a Scranton School bus driver, complain about Steve Earle’s having reached for “bigger fruit” that hangs low on the American “Bread and Circus” vine? I won’t do that, miro23.

    However, and by chance, did you ever hear the Simon & Garfunkel song “The Boxer” including the proverb-style lyric, “A man hears what he wants to here and disregards the rest.” Isn’t that generally HOW things really go with probably > 90 percent of mankind?

    Although I read & learned from all the valuable points you have listed in # 397, there is a problem. American citizens, that is of course those who pay close attention and are capable of filtering out highly toxic “News”, will naturally come to a conclusion that there is a powerful & united global force that requires (Shee)people to “see what they want you to see, pay tribute, and obediently disregard what makes COMMON SENSE to them.” (R.I.P., Thomas Paine)

    Finally, miro23, and speaking with respect for your thought, I conclude that planet Earth’s oligarchs and multi-billionaires (the 1%) are quite united in support of Zionist Israel’s political Cause and territorial expansion goal. You may (rightly) ask, “OK, Herr Orloski, but where is your itemized list (evidence) which I have honestly provided for you?”

    The best I can (rather lamely) answer is, “Watch more so what President Trump does for Wall Street & Tel Aviv rather than the “good” which he plans to do for broken cities like Scranton, PA

    Be on guard for stupor-inducing (365 / 24-7) cognitive dissonance… and thank you very much for tuning in, miro23! Look to read more of your thought here.

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  • @Philip Giraldi
    Thanks Geo - you might also note that they have not replayed this article - they rarely do when it relates to Israel. I have noted lately that they less and less choose to replay my pieces and only then when it is safe subject matter like lambasting the US government. They are real chickenshit players and every time they do one of their pathetic whining fundraisers I fervently hope that they will come up so short that they will be silenced forever, enabling genuine critics of the status quo to take the lead.

    Hello Mr. Giraldi.

    Always appreciate your writing.

    This thread is a stirred-up nest of lame Israeli and pro-Israel insects (pseudo-wasps), as I am sure you are aware, it is only as active as it is because you made a few telling points re. Israel and their U.S. colonial policy. Many commentors on this thread, playing regulars, never saw their u-names before, jamming it, making sure there can be no logic in the thread.

    It is interesting to compare numbers.

    I first read one of your articles on Antiwar.com (think I had read one or two others before).

    Your comments here, re. Antiwar.com, are amusing.

    I always wonder what happened to Mr. Raimondo’s post-9/11 book, he suddenly stopped mentioning it well over twelve years ago, but I had read of many of the things he used in that in other mainstream outlets, including print at the time (the art students, the cheer squad filming, the later Carl Cox documentary, much more).

    Down the memory hole, indeed.

    Here in Tokyo, the homeless have largely vanished. They are all working on the Fukushima ‘clean-up’. Nobody wants to notice that is the reason.

    What a wunnerful world!

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  • Historian Ralph A. Austen heavily criticized the book and said that although the book may seem fairly accurate, it is an anti-Semitic book. However, he added that before the publication of The Secret Relationship, some scholars were reluctant to discuss Jewish involvement in slavery because of fear of damaging the “shared liberal agenda” of Jews and African Americans. In that sense, Austen found the book’s aims of challenging the myth of universal Jewish benevolence throughout history to be legitimate even though the means to that end resulted in an anti-Semitic book.

    Well said (the truth is “anti-Semitic”). Though Jewish colonialism in Palestine is evidence enough that the myth is but a myth.

    “A few Jews even became prominent slave owning planters in the Old South…

    Yes, they mostly stuck to trading in slaves. Much quicker turnaround, and none of that pesky building things nonsense.

    And they mostly stuck to Iberian colonies. They were thick with Jewish slave merchants. Interestingly enough, these places were much deadlier destinations for slaves…

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  • @geokat62

    For the longest time, I had my doubts that Russia was behind all this, but I am beginning to change my mind.
     
    I asked Sam if he could point to any new incriminating evidence that demonstrates Russian culpability. Well, rather than waiting for Sam to do so, I came across a very revealing article by Robert Parry of consortiumnews.com that sheds new light on this issue.

    The title of the article says it all: 'Fresh Doubts about Russian ‘Hacking

    Here are some of the more pertinent excerpts:


    WikiLeaks’ disclosure of documents revealing CIA cyber-spying capabilities underscores why much more skepticism should have been applied to the U.S. intelligence community’s allegations about Russia “hacking” last year’s American presidential election. It turns out that the CIA maintains a library of foreign malware that could be used to pin the blame for a “hack” on another intelligence service...

    Or put differently — based on the newly available CIA material — the possibility that these telltale signs were planted to incriminate Moscow doesn’t sound as farfetched as it might have earlier...

    In other words, CrowdStrike cited the sophistication of the tradecraft as proof of a state-sponsored cyber-attack, yet it was the sloppiness of the tradecraft that supposedly revealed the Russian links, i.e. the old malware connections, the Cyrillic letters and the Dzerzhinsky reference...

    "It’s very hard to buy the argument that the Democrats were hacked by one of the most sophisticated, diabolical foreign intelligence services in history, and that we know this because they screwed up over and over again.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/08/fresh-doubts-about-russian-hacking/
     

    “Well waiting for Sam to do so ‘pointing to new incriminating evidence…”

    Geaoakt,

    As you know, I respect who you are and your dedication to the lively, & to date uncensored, Unz Review comment exchanges.

    As you know, Sam The Sham has proved himself to be a phony who relishes in having the morally sick “talent” to upgrade typical and expected Hasbara bullshit. Shama has no shame.

    As you know, & like I (Chuck Orloski) have emphasized in the recent past, and unless either lying Dershowitz or Kristol show up here @ Unz Review comment exchanges, Sam “The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg” Shama is the best phony that we could get here.

    Unless you want to get “jerked off” and distracted, please consider aiming your keen intelligence, wit, & valid insights at commenters whose intent is not to confuse?

    Thanks & selah! Ha — my use of the latter (rather phantom) word irks Sam The Sham and The Pharaohs!

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  • KA says:

    A detailed memo on the White House strategy for the 1972 election coauthored by Pat Buchanan,
    suggested that the defense secretary Melvin laird should speak out on what effect cut in the navy

    ‘s budget proposed by George McGovern would have on Israel, ‘ with the conclusion,not
    unjustified ,that the future of Israel,the survival of Israel l- with McGovern’s naval cuts – would
    be the decision of the soviet politburo ,again,the lead should be that…. without building the F-14
    and F-15 to combat the Mig 23, “us navy should not intervene to save Israel ‘

    – page 188 DANGEROUS LIAISON The Inside Story of the US-Israeli Covert Relationship.

    Today’s lies will come to bite tomorrow . “Amen Corner” did not get its start in 1990 . Even those “noble Lies” used to buttress essential American capabilities under the guise of helping Israel!

    It is good playbook for anybody to gather more power clout and build base even if they didi not mean a word underlying their reasons

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  • @utu
    "German distaste for such anti-human action." - Are you a child with a German fetish? Believe me, German sh..t stinks like everybody else's.

    All countries in Europe, including those on German lands, and various segments of their societies were involved in slavery in Middle Ages. Actually w/o German participation moving of slaves from East to West would not be possible. For instance:

    As German rulers of Saxon dynasties took over the enslavement (and slave trade) of Slavs in the 10th century, Jewish merchants bought slaves at the Elbe, sending caravans into the valley of the Rhine. Many of these slaves were taken to Verdun, which had close trade relations with Spain. Many would be castrated and sold as eunuchs as well.
     
    Here you can read a whole book about slavery in Germany:

    Slavery in Germanic Society During the Middle Ages, Agnes M. Wergeld, Journal of Political Economy
    https://books.google.com/books?id=NlRLAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA24&lpg=PA24&dq=Slavery+in+Germany+in+the+Middle+Ages&source=bl&ots=YlvvU1EKqI&sig=h2kXNNILBaNhMcb619KpOwYIThE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiFqMiW38zSAhVB04MKHUQhBoI4ChDoAQhLMA4#v=onepage&q=Slavery%20in%20Germany%20in%20the%20Middle%20Ages&f=false

    A slave marriage ceremony from early medieval Germany: A note and a document in translation
    http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01440399508575159?journalCode=fsla20

    The Germantown anti-slavery petition was consistent with the fact that the petitioners were Quakers. Some of them were former Mennonites from Germany who became Quakers after arriving to America. It was their christian faith that motivated them and not their German identity that in the era before the birth of nationalism must have been still very weak.

    Grow up.

    OK you win.

    I’ll correct my original statement of “never” and limit it to the last 1000 years or so.

    Thusly, during the slave trading mania years the Germanic nations of the Holy Roman Empire decried slavery and did not participate in same.

    As to “some of them were …” I submit that the majority of the inhabitants of Germantown were from Germany and some from Holland; consequently the anti-slavery petition was of German immigrant origin and backing. A perusal of newspapers of that time, available via google, would disclose this.

    Just in passing: Ad hominem attacks are the final refuge of the out-argued scoundrel.” HdC

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    Peace! Actually I am on your side. Understand your sentiments but sentiments must be subservients to facts.
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  • @JOK
    Trump is starting to look like a major disappointment with respect to Russia and Israel. He seems to be in the tank for Israel and the war party. A continuation of what was before. Today there are reports we just rescued a couple of ISIS commanders. Trump was supposed to annihilate them, not rescue them. A further indication he's gone over. Not good.

    “Today there are reports we just rescued a couple of ISIS commanders.”

    Source, please?

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  • @geokat62

    Post scriptum: Geokat62, please try and subdue ill feelings for me? I know how you intellectually, & with a conscience, engage in serious discussions. However, I am smelling the exhaust of missing Zyklon B each time I see you and Corvinus wrestle with the abomination that happened during the mid-19th century when there is so much evil shit happening right now…, while millions of slaves-to-the-TV are sadly more interested in determining who killed JonBenet Ramsey. Thanks and good night!
     
    In deference to your wishes, Chuck, Rover will let this bone go.

    “In deference to your wishes, Chuck Rover will let this bone go.”

    Dear geokat62,

    It’s of course your prerogative to “let this bone” goand I do endorse doing so. But since SolontoCroesus is M.I.A. from Unz Review comment exchanges which consistently provides accurate history insights, I sincerely conclude that Zionist Sacked North America Needs You!

    For what it’s worth and during his Purim celebration, The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg is spreading word that I am “happily paired with an assorted (Dunkin’ Donuts) dozen-box, coffee and a copy of Mein Kampf.”

    Regular reading of the Deputy-Nazi- Hunting Dawg’s sophomoric & deceitful Unz Review comments (alias, Sam “The Sham” Shama ) is the best argument I can offer for average and patriotic Americans to enable the withdrawal of their analytical brain functions from the inner chambers of Tel Aviv assholes.

    As I mentioned before on this thread, serious commenters now have a timely opportunity to blow the balls off swinish activities perpetually conducted by (well rewarded) “Lowerarchy” cheerleaders for Israel. (Note: in “The Screwtwape Letters,” C.S. Lewis mockingly invented the Demonic Majesty High Command as being the “Lowerachy” rather than the Hierarchy, and the nickname stuck in my head)

    At any rate, as The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg taunted me for dissemination of the classic work, “Mein Kampf” (comment # 406), he is incredibly foolish in not being able to realize that I have upgraded my knowledge base of current American “struggles” in order to learn historical-political Truth, and have perused Christopher Bollyn’s taboo book, “Solving 9-11.”

    geokat62 — Without conscience, Sam the Sham will lay a bad rap on just about anyone who rocks the Zionist Love Boat Party in Washington, D.C. What’s more, especially given the feast day of Purim, I am truly honored by his tenacious efforts to do so with me! (F.Y.I., I love confronting intellectual tyrants!)

    If I may take up more “comment” space, please note that yesterday, the jovial (Scranton,PA-based) Rabbi Daniel Swartz, summed up the Purim observance, holiday story. In The Sunday Times, the Rabbi explained that the holiday concerns “a Ruler who has both supporters and detractors, who is known for harassing women, who has a secretive adviser who tells him to persecute one (1) religion and eliminate them from the country.”

    I am for one very pleased how Rabbi Swartz conveyed some very interesting Purim history. (A reverent “pause” now to give credit to The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg who would, of course for public distraction purposes, explain the Purim holiday to the unwashed American masses who pine for the coming of the N.C.A.A. college basketball tournament “bracket” revelations)

    But right now, geokat62, there is something huge [email protected] (Gehenna-based) Ground Zero , and I will cal;l it “The Greatest 21st Century Story Never Told.” As Sam Shama recently boasted about his “first cousins” military service in the abominable U.S.-Zionist Afghanistan war, please read the article below, written by Gordon Duff, a U.S. Marine combat vet of the Vietnam War, now disabled.

    As a preview to Mr. Duff’s daring article, “linked” below, I will scale down his words which I really PRAY will, & like they say in street-smart sections of N.Y.C., “grow legs” and become a gamechanger beginning for mass American rejection of the basis for the U.S.-Zionist War of (!) Terror!

    G. Duff: “(The one who ate from the fruit of married-Pamela Anderson) ) Julian Assange insists investigation into 9-11 & Israel are a “waste of time.” We (at Veterans Today) suggest Assange actually reads Wikileaks.”

    G, Duff’s introduction to Wayne Madsen’s article: “Can someone send this to Trump? We need to add one more country to the U.S. immigration ban.”

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/03/10/blockbuster-wikileaks-suppressed-mossad-ran-911-arab-hijacker-terrorist-operation/

    To conclude with a paraphrase of the words of late-New York Yankee catcher, Yogi Berra, “The game ain’t over ’til it’s over.” With some divine help, Gordon Duff’s article might place America’s Zio-battered “defense” into extra innings. (sigh) It’s not the U.S. military that needs billions of dollars more to “rebuild,” we really need a few brave, moral, and influential “souls” who will expend their intellectual capital to make Americans Aware Again!

    Thank you for listening geokat62! As you may understand, the passionate words above reflect MY Struggle.

    post scriptum to Sam Shama: Beware, The Ghost of Charles Lindbergh is stirring across the U.S.A. Boo!

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  • @geokat62

    For the longest time, I had my doubts that Russia was behind all this, but I am beginning to change my mind.
     
    And I'm beginning to change my mind about you, Sam. This comment is truly insulting as it clearly shows the low regard in which you hold most goy.

    In terms of the list of tactics Prof. Tony Martin presented, here are the ones your comment makes use of (indicated by bolding):

    1. Their proclivity to tell lies
    2. Their proclivity towards attempting to damage one professional credibility
    3. Dirty tricks
    4. Going for the economic jugular
    5. Great presumptuousness
    6. A tendency to sidestep the real issues
    7. A tendency to introduce “men of straw”

    8. Their ability to plant misinformation on the record and then to use that information as though it was some kind of well documented primary source
    9. Use of quislings, surrogates, and Uncle Toms
    10. Their ability to leverage off of the influence which they undoubtedly have in high places
    11. Their tendency on occasion to shoot themselves in the foot
    12. Their use of the major media
    13. The use of organizations (e.g., ADL)
    14. The unseemly histrionics
    15. They try to pin a nickname on you
    16. They're very good at a good cop/bad cop kind of a thing
    17. They try to play you for a fool
    18. Their propensity for hate mail
    19. Tendency towards violence
     
    If you have a shred of integrity, please present the verifiable, concrete, tangible evidence that has convinced you to change your mind... and it better be more convincing than the hitch's top 10 list you cited earlier to support your argument that Iraq represented an existential threat to the US, instead of Israel.

    For the longest time, I had my doubts that Russia was behind all this, but I am beginning to change my mind.

    I asked Sam if he could point to any new incriminating evidence that demonstrates Russian culpability. Well, rather than waiting for Sam to do so, I came across a very revealing article by Robert Parry of consortiumnews.com that sheds new light on this issue.

    The title of the article says it all: ‘Fresh Doubts about Russian ‘Hacking

    Here are some of the more pertinent excerpts:

    WikiLeaks’ disclosure of documents revealing CIA cyber-spying capabilities underscores why much more skepticism should have been applied to the U.S. intelligence community’s allegations about Russia “hacking” last year’s American presidential election. It turns out that the CIA maintains a library of foreign malware that could be used to pin the blame for a “hack” on another intelligence service…

    Or put differently — based on the newly available CIA material — the possibility that these telltale signs were planted to incriminate Moscow doesn’t sound as farfetched as it might have earlier…

    In other words, CrowdStrike cited the sophistication of the tradecraft as proof of a state-sponsored cyber-attack, yet it was the sloppiness of the tradecraft that supposedly revealed the Russian links, i.e. the old malware connections, the Cyrillic letters and the Dzerzhinsky reference…

    “It’s very hard to buy the argument that the Democrats were hacked by one of the most sophisticated, diabolical foreign intelligence services in history, and that we know this because they screwed up over and over again.”

    https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/08/fresh-doubts-about-russian-hacking/

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    "Well waiting for Sam to do so 'pointing to new incriminating evidence..."

    Geaoakt,

    As you know, I respect who you are and your dedication to the lively, & to date uncensored, Unz Review comment exchanges.

    As you know, Sam The Sham has proved himself to be a phony who relishes in having the morally sick "talent" to upgrade typical and expected Hasbara bullshit. Shama has no shame.

    As you know, & like I (Chuck Orloski) have emphasized in the recent past, and unless either lying Dershowitz or Kristol show up here @ Unz Review comment exchanges, Sam "The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg" Shama is the best phony that we could get here.

    Unless you want to get "jerked off" and distracted, please consider aiming your keen intelligence, wit, & valid insights at commenters whose intent is not to confuse?

    Thanks & selah! Ha -- my use of the latter (rather phantom) word irks Sam The Sham and The Pharaohs!
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  • Trump is starting to look like a major disappointment with respect to Russia and Israel. He seems to be in the tank for Israel and the war party. A continuation of what was before. Today there are reports we just rescued a couple of ISIS commanders. Trump was supposed to annihilate them, not rescue them. A further indication he’s gone over. Not good.

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    "Today there are reports we just rescued a couple of ISIS commanders."

    Source, please?
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  • @Sam Shama
    He is in Scranton PA at the Dunkin Donuts giving his handle a rest save a few strokes; happily paired with an 'assorted dozen-box', coffee and a copy of Mein Kampf.

    He is in Scranton PA at the Dunkin Donuts giving his handle a rest

    I am leery of you slipping another one over my head.

    Anyway, he can’t be the same person unless he has some sort of emotional instability. (But that might be part of the definition of most of these 88s.)

    I go by the interaction in the comments to my comments and S2C and woodchuck are completely different. The only commonality that I see is the continuous pushing of prepackaged 88 propaganda.

    I am not sure people can change some things.

    For example, no matter how many times that I try, I can’t provoke RobinG.

    If RobinG. started interacting in the comment section with me it would have to be a different RobinG.

    But that does not mean that there is not a sockpuppet RobinG and I am not clever enough to detect it.

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  • @geokat62

    Sounds vaguely familiar. Who? Whom?
     
    Kind' a like lobby/Lobby?

    Kind’ a like lobby/Lobby?

    Not exactly, but deciding whether one should use lobby or Lobby would be a step in the process of deciding who/whom.

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  • @iffen
    Speaking of the devil, we haven't had any propaganda of the week picks from S2C.

    He is in Scranton PA at the Dunkin Donuts giving his handle a rest save a few strokes; happily paired with an ‘assorted dozen-box’, coffee and a copy of Mein Kampf.

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    He is in Scranton PA at the Dunkin Donuts giving his handle a rest

    I am leery of you slipping another one over my head.

    Anyway, he can't be the same person unless he has some sort of emotional instability. (But that might be part of the definition of most of these 88s.)

    I go by the interaction in the comments to my comments and S2C and woodchuck are completely different. The only commonality that I see is the continuous pushing of prepackaged 88 propaganda.

    I am not sure people can change some things.

    For example, no matter how many times that I try, I can't provoke RobinG.

    If RobinG. started interacting in the comment section with me it would have to be a different RobinG.

    But that does not mean that there is not a sockpuppet RobinG and I am not clever enough to detect it.
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  • @iffen
    We can use the N-word, we just can't use the n-word.

    Such rules are vaguely familiar.

    Some might claim that one is a political choice and the other is not, but some would disagree.

    Some would say it depends on the power and who's exalted and who's vilified.

    Sounds vaguely familiar. Who? Whom?

    Sounds vaguely familiar. Who? Whom?

    Kind’ a like lobby/Lobby?

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    Kind’ a like lobby/Lobby?

    Not exactly, but deciding whether one should use lobby or Lobby would be a step in the process of deciding who/whom.
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  • @geokat62

    I did tell you that Nazis don’t have a sense of humor, didn’t I?
     
    Three comments in a row using the N-word. Not sure how these comments get past the moderator.

    We can use the N-word, we just can’t use the n-word.

    Such rules are vaguely familiar.

    Some might claim that one is a political choice and the other is not, but some would disagree.

    Some would say it depends on the power and who’s exalted and who’s vilified.

    Sounds vaguely familiar. Who? Whom?

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    Sounds vaguely familiar. Who? Whom?
     
    Kind' a like lobby/Lobby?
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  • @Sam Shama
    Hitler fanboy, don't try too hard

    selah indeed.

    Speaking of the devil, we haven’t had any propaganda of the week picks from S2C.

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    He is in Scranton PA at the Dunkin Donuts giving his handle a rest save a few strokes; happily paired with an 'assorted dozen-box', coffee and a copy of Mein Kampf.
    , @Anon
    Keith says:

    " We haven't had any propaganda of the week picks from S2C."

    That statement coming from Hasbara central is like the pot calling the kennel black.

    How much does the Lobby pay you to challenge the "American First" Dunkin Donut radicals here in the UNZ?

    I know... you consider me a NAZI because I am an American Nationalists.

    "Remember, it is a trick", the Jews always call American First Nationalists, NAZIs.

    The American First position is not racist. American Nationalists don't care if Jews get circumcised, separate food on their dinner plate, how they slaughter their cattle, or pray to King Netanyahu.

    We just have different national interests than the Jewish dual loyalists.

    We are loyal to America and America only. The American Zionists are Israel firsters.

    ITS JUST POLITICS - it has nothing to do with NAZISM.

    To learn more about the the political divide, go to the Institute for Historical Review and read about the Spanish Inquisition.

    Bibi Netanyahu's father was a historian and wrote about the politics that was behind the Spanish inquisition. History is repeating itself.

    American Nationalists don't have an insurance policy like the American Jews.
    If America falls apart, we do not have a country we can run to, like the American Jews.

    America is all we got, this is why nationalism is on the rise.
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  • I did tell you that Nazis don’t have a sense of humor, didn’t I?

    Three comments in a row using the N-word. Not sure how these comments get past the moderator.

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    We can use the N-word, we just can't use the n-word.

    Such rules are vaguely familiar.

    Some might claim that one is a political choice and the other is not, but some would disagree.

    Some would say it depends on the power and who's exalted and who's vilified.

    Sounds vaguely familiar. Who? Whom?
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  • @Anon
    " These questions and more to be answered in Ripley's believe it or Knot"

    McCohen are you related to Max Cohen who anglicized his name to Max Cohn?

    I think I am getting a whiff of Lox.

    No... I think I am getting more stench from another Hasbara troll.

    Max Cohen was the Jewish father of
    Frank Collins, the infamous NeoNAZI from the famed Skoki Ill. ACLU first amendment trial.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Collin

    If you don't remember this well documented event that got worldwide exposer, it was even played repeatedly on the Zio History Channel, it was about the NAZI Frank Collins who was later outed as being Jewish after being arrested for sexually abusing little boys.

    After this revelation, the Zio media never
    corrected their story and never reported that Collins was a Jewish phony NAZI.

    Mccohen.... you should spend more time investigating the phony Jewish NAZIs
    and less time calling patriotic American school bus drivers NAZIs because they disagree with sending Americans to fight wars for Israel.

    Mcohen does not need to investigate….mcohen nose.the big hooked one can sniff the stench out from afar

    Yes I can get a sniff of something,sweat is running down the spine.pooling at the pucker.then on its way extra potent to the feet.yes yes I smell it now…stinkfoot

    There are not many nazi,s left.1945 has passed.so no this has nothing to do with nazi,s.
    So anon…..forget the NAZI bullshit diversion in bus driver from nut bush city limits crap.
    stinkfoot as zappa would point out is called homo drono.

    Fetch it my shadows and show them in the light.then apply the talcum.and now from the great man himself

    Frank zappa

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  • @geokat62

    Post scriptum: Geokat62, please try and subdue ill feelings for me? I know how you intellectually, & with a conscience, engage in serious discussions. However, I am smelling the exhaust of missing Zyklon B each time I see you and Corvinus wrestle with the abomination that happened during the mid-19th century when there is so much evil shit happening right now…, while millions of slaves-to-the-TV are sadly more interested in determining who killed JonBenet Ramsey. Thanks and good night!
     
    In deference to your wishes, Chuck, Rover will let this bone go.

    Rover will let this bone go

    Good for you geo, Sam is smiling.

    I did tell you that Nazis don’t have a sense of humor, didn’t I?

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  • @Chuck Orloski
    "Nazi dispshit, my first cousins both served two tours in Afghanistan,"

    Dear Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg,

    Thanks for calling me "Nazi dipshit" --- you always seem to make me feel better!

    Regarding the Afghanistan (military?) service of your two first cousins, you might write to Cuomo and ask him if he would ask the I.D.F. command to give them an honorary "Medal of Valor." That would be nice.

    Understand also that service "tours" could mean anything ranging from that of U.S. soldiers, to a contractors working on natural gas pipelines, and to the poppy-heroin trade which is back in business since the W. Bush attack which was designed to corner O.B.L. in Tora Bora?

    Thanks again for the so-so "dip shit" crack... I know you can do better!

    Selah.

    No; 1st Combat Engineer Bat and 2nd Bat 1st Marines.

    You think too highly of the brand of “patriotism” you push on these pages imposter, otherwise also noted as the first refuge of scoundrels and Nazis.

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  • @Chuck Orloski
    "... you (Corvinus) need to provide a statistic of your own... for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840. I'm still waiting.'

    Dear geokat62,

    As always, I come to you in peace. Regrading you marathon debate with Corvinus, and as I a far from being an expert on slave ownership during mid-1800's, I offer the two suggestions, below:

    1.) I trust there are others here @ Unz Review interested in the topic on the percentage of Jews (based in southern states) who owned slaves. Speaking respectfully, the argument is narrow to a point of my wanting to whack myself in the head!

    With G-d's help and by comment # 400, I am hopeful you guys will ask the BIG question as to WHO PROFITED by organizing slave round ups and transporting them to the New World for assignment. No doubt, this highly organized EVIL slave trade operation might be compared to the profits garnered in today's life destroying heroin trade! Does this pick your arm with a dirty needle?

    2.) What Corvinus and you debate is "small change" in comparison to the activities of Sephardic Jews & the West Indies Co. which was the primary outfit that transported slaves to the New World! (Sigh) While you guys argue endlessly about percentages of slaves owned by Jews in the American south (mid-19th century)..., I am gone NUMB that zero (0) consideration is given to the fact that slaves were also delivered to countries like Brazil & the Caribbean Islands and astronomical high profit margins prevailed for the shipping magnates. Who were the S. American slave owners, & besides being adherents to satanism, what creed?

    Finally, there is not one (1) even mid-level "Cheerleader for Israel" who would break trust and describe WHO manages & profits from mighty Afghanistan opium cultivation and multi-national distribution. But please note that there's one guy (presently M.I.A. at The Unz Review comment exchange) who has the balls to say that which patriotic American parents of heroin addicts need to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

    Peace be upon Rehmat1 and refer to his web site below?

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/11/20/israel-benefits-from-afghan-opium-cultivation/

    Post scriptum: Geokat62, please try and subdue ill feelings for me? I know how you intellectually, & with a conscience, engage in serious discussions. However, I am smelling the exhaust of missing Zyklon B each time I see you and Corvinus wrestle with the abomination that happened during the mid-19th century when there is so much evil shit happening right now..., while millions of slaves-to-the-TV are sadly more interested in determining who killed JonBenet Ramsey. Thanks and good night!

    Post scriptum: Geokat62, please try and subdue ill feelings for me? I know how you intellectually, & with a conscience, engage in serious discussions. However, I am smelling the exhaust of missing Zyklon B each time I see you and Corvinus wrestle with the abomination that happened during the mid-19th century when there is so much evil shit happening right now…, while millions of slaves-to-the-TV are sadly more interested in determining who killed JonBenet Ramsey. Thanks and good night!

    In deference to your wishes, Chuck, Rover will let this bone go.

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    Rover will let this bone go

    Good for you geo, Sam is smiling.

    I did tell you that Nazis don't have a sense of humor, didn't I?
    , @Chuck Orloski
    "In deference to your wishes, Chuck Rover will let this bone go."

    Dear geokat62,

    It's of course your prerogative to "let this bone" goand I do endorse doing so. But since SolontoCroesus is M.I.A. from Unz Review comment exchanges which consistently provides accurate history insights, I sincerely conclude that Zionist Sacked North America Needs You!

    For what it's worth and during his Purim celebration, The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg is spreading word that I am "happily paired with an assorted (Dunkin' Donuts) dozen-box, coffee and a copy of Mein Kampf."

    Regular reading of the Deputy-Nazi- Hunting Dawg's sophomoric & deceitful Unz Review comments (alias, Sam "The Sham" Shama ) is the best argument I can offer for average and patriotic Americans to enable the withdrawal of their analytical brain functions from the inner chambers of Tel Aviv assholes.

    As I mentioned before on this thread, serious commenters now have a timely opportunity to blow the balls off swinish activities perpetually conducted by (well rewarded) "Lowerarchy" cheerleaders for Israel. (Note: in "The Screwtwape Letters," C.S. Lewis mockingly invented the Demonic Majesty High Command as being the "Lowerachy" rather than the Hierarchy, and the nickname stuck in my head)

    At any rate, as The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg taunted me for dissemination of the classic work, "Mein Kampf" (comment # 406), he is incredibly foolish in not being able to realize that I have upgraded my knowledge base of current American "struggles" in order to learn historical-political Truth, and have perused Christopher Bollyn's taboo book, "Solving 9-11."

    geokat62 -- Without conscience, Sam the Sham will lay a bad rap on just about anyone who rocks the Zionist Love Boat Party in Washington, D.C. What's more, especially given the feast day of Purim, I am truly honored by his tenacious efforts to do so with me! (F.Y.I., I love confronting intellectual tyrants!)

    If I may take up more "comment" space, please note that yesterday, the jovial (Scranton,PA-based) Rabbi Daniel Swartz, summed up the Purim observance, holiday story. In The Sunday Times, the Rabbi explained that the holiday concerns "a Ruler who has both supporters and detractors, who is known for harassing women, who has a secretive adviser who tells him to persecute one (1) religion and eliminate them from the country."

    I am for one very pleased how Rabbi Swartz conveyed some very interesting Purim history. (A reverent "pause" now to give credit to The Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg who would, of course for public distraction purposes, explain the Purim holiday to the unwashed American masses who pine for the coming of the N.C.A.A. college basketball tournament "bracket" revelations)

    But right now, geokat62, there is something huge [email protected] (Gehenna-based) Ground Zero , and I will cal;l it "The Greatest 21st Century Story Never Told." As Sam Shama recently boasted about his "first cousins" military service in the abominable U.S.-Zionist Afghanistan war, please read the article below, written by Gordon Duff, a U.S. Marine combat vet of the Vietnam War, now disabled.

    As a preview to Mr. Duff's daring article, "linked" below, I will scale down his words which I really PRAY will, & like they say in street-smart sections of N.Y.C., "grow legs" and become a gamechanger beginning for mass American rejection of the basis for the U.S.-Zionist War of (!) Terror!

    G. Duff: "(The one who ate from the fruit of married-Pamela Anderson) ) Julian Assange insists investigation into 9-11 & Israel are a "waste of time." We (at Veterans Today) suggest Assange actually reads Wikileaks."

    G, Duff's introduction to Wayne Madsen's article: "Can someone send this to Trump? We need to add one more country to the U.S. immigration ban."

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/03/10/blockbuster-wikileaks-suppressed-mossad-ran-911-arab-hijacker-terrorist-operation/

    To conclude with a paraphrase of the words of late-New York Yankee catcher, Yogi Berra, "The game ain't over 'til it's over." With some divine help, Gordon Duff's article might place America's Zio-battered "defense" into extra innings. (sigh) It's not the U.S. military that needs billions of dollars more to "rebuild," we really need a few brave, moral, and influential "souls" who will expend their intellectual capital to make Americans Aware Again!

    Thank you for listening geokat62! As you may understand, the passionate words above reflect MY Struggle.

    post scriptum to Sam Shama: Beware, The Ghost of Charles Lindbergh is stirring across the U.S.A. Boo!
    , @Corvinus
    "In deference to your wishes, Chuck, Rover will let this bone go."

    Especially when you got taken to the intellectual woodshed. Run, run away.
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  • @Chuck Orloski
    "Trump is interested in the power structure that supports that supports Trump, not some airy-fairy notions of Truth and Justice."

    Thanks for posting this informative comment and the web site, Miro23!

    The quotation (above) employs the term "power structure" which floats around in my mind like an matter-energy field that our human minds know is there, but our ability to tangibly see the power structure" is stunted like the forbidden books named in the "linked" web site.

    It seems fair to say that Wall Street, the world's big banks, oligarchs, and multi-billionaires make up the essential core of the "power structure." Do you agree?

    In addition, in Thursday's Wall Street Journal, March 9, 2017, there's a front page (lengthy) article called "Family Offices Blitz The Street," and written by Das & Chung. Following is a paragraph from the article which I trust you may access and read:

    "On a warm October day in 2014, envoys from 15 of America's wealthiest families gatered at Circle T, Ross Perot Jr.'s 2,5000-acre ranch out side Dallas... The purpose of the two day retreat was for families to get acquainted and eventually team up to pursue investments."
    (PARAGRAPH BREAK)
    "bankers take notice... Goldman Sachs bankers last year started paying more attention to "family offices" after realizing they were losing out on merger deals involving such offices... KKR Co. Mr. Jim Burns, leader for individual-investment business asserted, "It's an ocean of wealth."

    Miro23 -- I now finally return to the point of one's recognizing the "power structure."


    First of all, I fully admit that I am aware of my smallness within what Burns described as an "ocean of wealth." I can not fathom the awesome political influence such holders of this wealth have over President Trump.

    One thing that (I believe) is valid is that 6 out of the 7 "oceans of wealth" desire to waterboard President Vladimir Putin until he obeys what covers > 2/3 of the Earth's surface -- liquidity (H20) I have no guess as to what you might think at this juncture, Miro23, but I would surely appreciate learning.

    Finally, I am not a Karl Marx scholar but I have read his works, in English. I recall how the philosopher noted how under the evolutionary model of capitalism, money (capital) tends to increase and assemble into fewer and fewer hands.

    Although the 1% has made hamburger out of Marx's revolt, it appears to me that "Family Offices" offer evidence for my political view that no one gets to be POTUS without support of the "power structure" Ann now, Miro23, I end where I started and thanks again!

    Post scriptum: 1.) Regret that I did not take time to find the book where the Karl Marx quote came from. 2.) To "anon" from his comment # 378; F.Y.I., the weird dude's name is mcohen and is not the Irish-sounding "McCohen" that you mistakenly employed. Danke schon. ' .

    I don’t have any secret knowledge about the US Election, but I’ve read Trumps books and followed what he’s been doing over the years.

    I would call him an opportunist. He’s good at evaluating different situations and when he thinks that he can put together a winning coalition he goes for it in a big way. He works hard (hands on), values personal loyalty and quickly eliminates people who don’t perform.

    In other words he’s a very effective player, as he proved again in the Republican selection process and the election itself.

    His “Power Structure” is just an alliance of all the people who supported him (I don’t see any shadowy forces in the background) :

    - The middle class who have little improvement in their standard of living
    - The unemployed hit by outsourcing.
    - The unskilled facing competition from large scale Latino immigration.
    - The military through having long term friendly contacts with him and being traditionalists.
    - The MIC through promises to increase military spending.
    - The South through being described as “Deplorables” by HRC.
    - The Neo-cons through his targeting Iran.
    - Israelis through his lack of interest in Palestinians and “Jerusalem as capital” statement.
    - Some women through his desire to reform education.
    - Some Blacks through his promise to tackle inner city unemployment.
    - Some Latinos through his traditional social views.
    - Many people through his emphasis on Law and Order and support of the police.
    - Small business owners looking forward to lower taxes.
    - People sick of the waste and expense of ME wars, wanting money spent on infrastructure.
    - People who didn’t like Clinton’s reckless plan to provoke Russia and risk WW3

    The only people who seem to be excluded are the SJW crowd, the MSM and outsourcing corporations/Wall St. (with all the associated Special Interest Plutocrats) although they seem to be coming round.

    Trump has gathered together a very disparate group of supporters and he can’t give them all that they want, so on past form, he’ll probably wait to see which way the wind blows and then decide which of them to emphasize/fade to best suits his purposes (Trump First).

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    "I read Trump's books and followed his fortunes... I would call him an opportunist... and he'll probably wait to see which way the wind blows."

    Dear Miro23,

    I regret having taken so long to make response to your commendable political thought, comment # 397.

    These days, & for better or worse, the high art of political poetry ( in the U.S.) has turned into what's called "identity," agenda driven poetry. i.e.; Affordable mouth wash for pet dogs! Such poets typically get opportunities to read their works at White House elite Democrat or G.O.P. bonfire-assemblies & that result in resounding cheers.

    Such watered-down poetry is a U.S. political reality, and singer-songwriters sometimes fill the void, for one example, when Steve Earle released his unconventional L.P. titled, "Jerusalem." To my dismay, after he released the great song, "The Revolution Starts Now," the rather obscure & rebellious Mr. Earle came to terms with GMC truck and his radical song became soundtrack for Chevy truck TV commercials.

    In good conscience, how can I, as a Scranton School bus driver, complain about Steve Earle's having reached for "bigger fruit" that hangs low on the American "Bread and Circus" vine? I won't do that, miro23.

    However, and by chance, did you ever hear the Simon & Garfunkel song "The Boxer" including the proverb-style lyric, "A man hears what he wants to here and disregards the rest." Isn't that generally HOW things really go with probably > 90 percent of mankind?

    Although I read & learned from all the valuable points you have listed in # 397, there is a problem. American citizens, that is of course those who pay close attention and are capable of filtering out highly toxic "News", will naturally come to a conclusion that there is a powerful & united global force that requires (Shee)people to "see what they want you to see, pay tribute, and obediently disregard what makes COMMON SENSE to them." (R.I.P., Thomas Paine)

    Finally, miro23, and speaking with respect for your thought, I conclude that planet Earth's oligarchs and multi-billionaires (the 1%) are quite united in support of Zionist Israel's political Cause and territorial expansion goal. You may (rightly) ask, "OK, Herr Orloski, but where is your itemized list (evidence) which I have honestly provided for you?"

    The best I can (rather lamely) answer is, "Watch more so what President Trump does for Wall Street & Tel Aviv rather than the "good" which he plans to do for broken cities like Scranton, PA

    Be on guard for stupor-inducing (365 / 24-7) cognitive dissonance... and thank you very much for tuning in, miro23! Look to read more of your thought here.
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  • @geokat62

    That would be Harold Brackman, who took Lous Farrakhan to task for claiming that Brackman supported the claim that 75% of slaves were held by Jews. I merely referenced Brackman’s quotation.
     
    Prof. Martin clarified that this was a slip of the tongue, but you insist on repeating it as if he actually believed this to be true.

    And, again, how are we to trust Jewish sources on slavery if people like Martin have other than trust for Jews in general?
     
    The Jewish sources cited in TSR stand on their own merits and the veracity of these sources can be confirmed, regardless of someone's level of trust for Jews.

    You do realize that three-fifths of non-Jewish families owned slaves.
     
    Not sure where you got that stat from. According to the Ira Rosenwaike source (cited in TSR), only 36% of all households owned slaves in 1830.

    Some Jews downplay their role in the slave trade, and some non-Jews overstate their role in the slave trade. The Secret Relationship offered evidence that Jews played a role in the slave trade and slave ownership. Significant? Widespread? That depends on one’s point of view.
     
    Here is how one critic summarized the significance of The Secret Relationship:

    Historian Ralph A. Austen heavily criticized the book and said that although the book may seem fairly accurate, it is an anti-Semitic book. However, he added that before the publication of The Secret Relationship, some scholars were reluctant to discuss Jewish involvement in slavery because of fear of damaging the "shared liberal agenda" of Jews and African Americans. In that sense, Austen found the book's aims of challenging the myth of universal Jewish benevolence throughout history to be legitimate even though the means to that end resulted in an anti-Semitic book.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_slavery
     
    P.S. Before one can determine who was handed his hat, you need to provide a statistic of your own, with supporting sources, for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840s. I'm still waiting.

    “… you (Corvinus) need to provide a statistic of your own… for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840. I’m still waiting.’

    Dear geokat62,

    As always, I come to you in peace. Regrading you marathon debate with Corvinus, and as I a far from being an expert on slave ownership during mid-1800′s, I offer the two suggestions, below:

    1.) I trust there are others here @ Unz Review interested in the topic on the percentage of Jews (based in southern states) who owned slaves. Speaking respectfully, the argument is narrow to a point of my wanting to whack myself in the head!

    With G-d’s help and by comment # 400, I am hopeful you guys will ask the BIG question as to WHO PROFITED by organizing slave round ups and transporting them to the New World for assignment. No doubt, this highly organized EVIL slave trade operation might be compared to the profits garnered in today’s life destroying heroin trade! Does this pick your arm with a dirty needle?

    2.) What Corvinus and you debate is “small change” in comparison to the activities of Sephardic Jews & the West Indies Co. which was the primary outfit that transported slaves to the New World! (Sigh) While you guys argue endlessly about percentages of slaves owned by Jews in the American south (mid-19th century)…, I am gone NUMB that zero (0) consideration is given to the fact that slaves were also delivered to countries like Brazil & the Caribbean Islands and astronomical high profit margins prevailed for the shipping magnates. Who were the S. American slave owners, & besides being adherents to satanism, what creed?

    Finally, there is not one (1) even mid-level “Cheerleader for Israel” who would break trust and describe WHO manages & profits from mighty Afghanistan opium cultivation and multi-national distribution. But please note that there’s one guy (presently M.I.A. at The Unz Review comment exchange) who has the balls to say that which patriotic American parents of heroin addicts need to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

    Peace be upon Rehmat1 and refer to his web site below?

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/11/20/israel-benefits-from-afghan-opium-cultivation/

    Post scriptum: Geokat62, please try and subdue ill feelings for me? I know how you intellectually, & with a conscience, engage in serious discussions. However, I am smelling the exhaust of missing Zyklon B each time I see you and Corvinus wrestle with the abomination that happened during the mid-19th century when there is so much evil shit happening right now…, while millions of slaves-to-the-TV are sadly more interested in determining who killed JonBenet Ramsey. Thanks and good night!

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    Post scriptum: Geokat62, please try and subdue ill feelings for me? I know how you intellectually, & with a conscience, engage in serious discussions. However, I am smelling the exhaust of missing Zyklon B each time I see you and Corvinus wrestle with the abomination that happened during the mid-19th century when there is so much evil shit happening right now…, while millions of slaves-to-the-TV are sadly more interested in determining who killed JonBenet Ramsey. Thanks and good night!
     
    In deference to your wishes, Chuck, Rover will let this bone go.
    , @Corvinus
    "With G-d’s help and by comment # 400, I am hopeful you guys will ask the BIG question as to WHO PROFITED by organizing slave round ups and transporting them to the New World for assignment."

    Easy answer. Europeans. Some were Jews and others were non-Jews.

    "I am gone NUMB that zero (0) consideration is given to the fact that slaves were also delivered to countries like Brazil & the Caribbean Islands and astronomical high profit margins prevailed for the shipping magnates. Who were the S. American slave owners, & besides being adherents to satanism, what creed?"

    Another easy answer. Europeans. Some were Jews and others were non-Jews.
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  • @geokat62

    That would be Harold Brackman, who took Lous Farrakhan to task for claiming that Brackman supported the claim that 75% of slaves were held by Jews. I merely referenced Brackman’s quotation.
     
    Prof. Martin clarified that this was a slip of the tongue, but you insist on repeating it as if he actually believed this to be true.

    And, again, how are we to trust Jewish sources on slavery if people like Martin have other than trust for Jews in general?
     
    The Jewish sources cited in TSR stand on their own merits and the veracity of these sources can be confirmed, regardless of someone's level of trust for Jews.

    You do realize that three-fifths of non-Jewish families owned slaves.
     
    Not sure where you got that stat from. According to the Ira Rosenwaike source (cited in TSR), only 36% of all households owned slaves in 1830.

    Some Jews downplay their role in the slave trade, and some non-Jews overstate their role in the slave trade. The Secret Relationship offered evidence that Jews played a role in the slave trade and slave ownership. Significant? Widespread? That depends on one’s point of view.
     
    Here is how one critic summarized the significance of The Secret Relationship:

    Historian Ralph A. Austen heavily criticized the book and said that although the book may seem fairly accurate, it is an anti-Semitic book. However, he added that before the publication of The Secret Relationship, some scholars were reluctant to discuss Jewish involvement in slavery because of fear of damaging the "shared liberal agenda" of Jews and African Americans. In that sense, Austen found the book's aims of challenging the myth of universal Jewish benevolence throughout history to be legitimate even though the means to that end resulted in an anti-Semitic book.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_slavery
     
    P.S. Before one can determine who was handed his hat, you need to provide a statistic of your own, with supporting sources, for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840s. I'm still waiting.

    “Prof. Martin clarified that this was a slip of the tongue, but you insist on repeating it as if he actually believed this to be true.”

    Sure, a slip of the tongue. Even if that was true, Farrakhan mouthed off that a Jewish historian supported his claim, and that historian took him to task.

    “The Jewish sources cited in TSR stand on their own merits and the veracity of these sources can be confirmed, regardless of someone’s level of trust for Jews.”

    Good to know for future reference. Those sources may be indeed valid, but the conclusions Martin drew from them could also be other than valid.

    “Not sure where you got that stat from. According to the Ira Rosenwaike source (cited in TSR), only 36% of all households owned slaves in 1830.”

    Pay closer attention. You submitted a quote directly from Rosenwaike, who stated “Probably close to two-fifths of the Jewish families of 1820 owned slaves…”.

    I then replied,”Probably, but not a certainty. You do realize that three-fifths of non-Jewish families owned slaves.” My remark is in reference to Rosenwaike’s conclusion.

    “Here is how one critic summarized the significance of The Secret Relationship”

    The terms “anti-semitic”, “racist”, and “sexist” have been co-opted by the radical left and the reactionary right as to render them useless. While there is merit to Martin’s work, there are also significant holes in his scholarship, as several sources I have offered indicate, which you still have yet to make any substantial remarks about. Interesting, to say the least.

    “P.S. Before one can determine who was handed his hat, you need to provide a statistic of your own, with supporting sources, for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840s. I’m still waiting.”

    What we DO KNOW is that the 70% statistic had directly referred to three southern cities where Jews owned slaves at that point in time, NOT the entire United States, as touted by Martin.

    And didn’t you just say that it is a “relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable”?

    And didn’t I say that the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis?

    Perhaps NO one actually knows the actual answer to the “proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830′s/1840′s”.

    But, to show you I’m a good sport, Junius Rodriguez (The Historical Encyclopedia of World Slavery, Volume 1, ABC-CLIO, 1997) referenced…

    “A few Jews even became prominent slave owning planters in the Old South…as successful as these Jewish Southerners were by Southern standards, they represent a very tiny percentage of the 20,000 Jews residing in the antebellum South who could, or would, ever aspire to own a slave. About 5,000 Jews owned one or more slaves – about 1.25 percent of all the slaveowners in the antebellum South…For those Jews who did own slaves, the records demonstrate that they were not significantly different from other masters in their treatments of their bondsmen.”

    Note that the antebellum period covers the period before the Civil War, 1820-1860.

    Regardless of factual accuracy, some would argue that these numbers are meaningless since they neglect to account for any other difference in demographics besides religion. For example, poorer families were less likely to own slaves than wealthier families.

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership, especially since levels of slave ownership varied in the southern states and in southern cities. For example, this source (forward.com/articles/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all) notes that in 1830 the proportion of Jewish residents of Charleston who owned slaves was similar to that of the general white population (83% versus 87%).

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  • @Svigor

    BTW have you noticed that “no man can serve two masters” is actually false? And “dual”or “divided” loyalties has always been the reality of most civilised people’s lives? Cf. multiple identities. Most people don”t drive themselves mad trying constantly to reconcile them all.
     
    I have noticed no such thing. A "master" is an overriding loyalty. "Two Masters" implies two equal loyalties, at the top of one's hierarchy. IMO it doesn't exist; one is always greater.

    You're describing a hierarchy of loyalties, "master" describes the one at the top.

    BTW have you noticed that “no man can serve two masters” is actually false? And “dual”or “divided” loyalties has always been the reality of most civilised people’s lives?

    It’s quotes like these that prompted me to rechristen the WofO, the Wizard of Sophistry.

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  • @Sam Shama
    Nazi dipshit, my 1st cousins both served two tours of Aghanistan.

    “Nazi dispshit, my first cousins both served two tours in Afghanistan,”

    Dear Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg,

    Thanks for calling me “Nazi dipshit” — you always seem to make me feel better!

    Regarding the Afghanistan (military?) service of your two first cousins, you might write to Cuomo and ask him if he would ask the I.D.F. command to give them an honorary “Medal of Valor.” That would be nice.

    Understand also that service “tours” could mean anything ranging from that of U.S. soldiers, to a contractors working on natural gas pipelines, and to the poppy-heroin trade which is back in business since the W. Bush attack which was designed to corner O.B.L. in Tora Bora?

    Thanks again for the so-so “dip shit” crack… I know you can do better!

    Selah.

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    No; 1st Combat Engineer Bat and 2nd Bat 1st Marines.

    You think too highly of the brand of "patriotism" you push on these pages imposter, otherwise also noted as the first refuge of scoundrels and Nazis.

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  • @Corvinus
    “So much for the diversion.”

    I am not the creator of this statement--”In 1860, there were about 15,000 Southern Jews and 4 million slaves. If 3 million (75 percent) were so owned, this would mean 200 slaves for every Jewish man, woman and child, or 1,000 slaves for every Jewish head of household. Jews owned only a fraction of 1 percent – thousands, not millions – of the enslaved population.”

    That would be Harold Brackman, who took Lous Farrakhan to task for claiming that Brackman supported the claim that 75% of slaves were held by Jews. I merely referenced Brackman’s quotation.

    “As I stated previously, Prof. Martin cited The Secret Relationship for his assertions, which are based on several Jewish sources (especially Rosenwaike), including these references.”

    A statistic that HE claimed to be nationwide, but in reality was local. Since he misinformed his audience on this particular point, it has lead people to doubt his other claims, as evident by the refutations I provided that you have yet to address.

    And, again, how are we to trust Jewish sources on slavery if people like Martin have other than trust for Jews in general?

    “Probably close to two-fifths of the Jewish families of 1820 owned slaves…”

    Probably, but not a certainty. You do realize that three-fifths of non-Jewish families owned slaves. Praytell, what was the breakdown of each ethnic group or nationality of this group? Was purchasing slaves a sign of one's ethnic display of superiority or because of the family's wealth, or both?

    “The proportion of Jewish slave-owners, then, was possibly even larger than that of non-Jews, since the overwhelming majority of Southern Jews lived in the towns and cities.”

    Possibly, indeed. Korn made this conclusion ONLY by offering the proper context--”Another statistical indication of Jewish ownership of slaves, probably more accurate in terms of proportions than the census returns, are references to slaves in Jewish wills. Over the years, Professor Jacob R. Marcus has assembled at the American Jewish Archives, one hundred and twenty-nine wills of identifiable Southern Jews who died during the period of interest. Of these, 33 refer to the ownership and disposition of slaves. [That would mean 96 did NOT own slaves] This would mean, if it is a reliable index, that perhaps one-fourth of Southern Jewish adults were slave owners. [That would mean three-fourths Southern Jewish adults were NOT slave owners]. It is instructive that this matches the federal figures for the 1860 census, namely, that three-fourths of the white population of the South were not slave owners. Equally important, however, is the fact that only one-seventh of Southern Negroes were domiciled in towns and cities."

    “Even more striking: two-thirds of all the Jewish families in the United States had at least one servant!”

    Servant. Does that mean black slave or white servant? Moreover, would not this statistic indicate that wealthy Jews compared to not wealthy Jews had been more likely to express their status when it comes to outside help? How is their behavior any different to wealthy non-Jews of the same time period? Furthermore, what is the ethnic breakdown of those wealthy Americans who owned slaves from 1820-1860? Would it not be fair to say that, for example, if the Scots-Irish consisted of the largest slave-holding ethnic group, that one could reasonable argue the Scots-Irish was more of a menace to blacks compared to Jews?

    “So, stepping back, I again emphasize that it is a relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable.”

    So only until you realize you were backed into a corner that the statistic suddenly becomes “trivial” and "based on a number of assumptions". You got your hat handed to you.

    “The important point to make is this: rather than playing a trivial role in the slave trade and slave ownership, as the Jewish lobbies were endeavouring to do, The Secret Relationship provided incontrovertible evidence that Jews played a significant role in the slave trade as well as slaveownership.”

    Some Jews downplay their role in the slave trade, and some non-Jews overstate their role in the slave trade. The Secret Relationship offered evidence that Jews played a role in the slave trade and slave ownership. Significant? Widespread? That depends on one’s point of view.

    That would be Harold Brackman, who took Lous Farrakhan to task for claiming that Brackman supported the claim that 75% of slaves were held by Jews. I merely referenced Brackman’s quotation.

    Prof. Martin clarified that this was a slip of the tongue, but you insist on repeating it as if he actually believed this to be true.

    And, again, how are we to trust Jewish sources on slavery if people like Martin have other than trust for Jews in general?

    The Jewish sources cited in TSR stand on their own merits and the veracity of these sources can be confirmed, regardless of someone’s level of trust for Jews.

    You do realize that three-fifths of non-Jewish families owned slaves.

    Not sure where you got that stat from. According to the Ira Rosenwaike source (cited in TSR), only 36% of all households owned slaves in 1830.

    Some Jews downplay their role in the slave trade, and some non-Jews overstate their role in the slave trade. The Secret Relationship offered evidence that Jews played a role in the slave trade and slave ownership. Significant? Widespread? That depends on one’s point of view.

    Here is how one critic summarized the significance of The Secret Relationship:

    Historian Ralph A. Austen heavily criticized the book and said that although the book may seem fairly accurate, it is an anti-Semitic book. However, he added that before the publication of The Secret Relationship, some scholars were reluctant to discuss Jewish involvement in slavery because of fear of damaging the “shared liberal agenda” of Jews and African Americans. In that sense, Austen found the book’s aims of challenging the myth of universal Jewish benevolence throughout history to be legitimate even though the means to that end resulted in an anti-Semitic book.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_slavery

    P.S. Before one can determine who was handed his hat, you need to provide a statistic of your own, with supporting sources, for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840s. I’m still waiting.

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    "Prof. Martin clarified that this was a slip of the tongue, but you insist on repeating it as if he actually believed this to be true."

    Sure, a slip of the tongue. Even if that was true, Farrakhan mouthed off that a Jewish historian supported his claim, and that historian took him to task.

    "The Jewish sources cited in TSR stand on their own merits and the veracity of these sources can be confirmed, regardless of someone’s level of trust for Jews."

    Good to know for future reference. Those sources may be indeed valid, but the conclusions Martin drew from them could also be other than valid.

    "Not sure where you got that stat from. According to the Ira Rosenwaike source (cited in TSR), only 36% of all households owned slaves in 1830."

    Pay closer attention. You submitted a quote directly from Rosenwaike, who stated “Probably close to two-fifths of the Jewish families of 1820 owned slaves…”.

    I then replied,"Probably, but not a certainty. You do realize that three-fifths of non-Jewish families owned slaves." My remark is in reference to Rosenwaike's conclusion.

    "Here is how one critic summarized the significance of The Secret Relationship"

    The terms "anti-semitic", "racist", and "sexist" have been co-opted by the radical left and the reactionary right as to render them useless. While there is merit to Martin's work, there are also significant holes in his scholarship, as several sources I have offered indicate, which you still have yet to make any substantial remarks about. Interesting, to say the least.

    "P.S. Before one can determine who was handed his hat, you need to provide a statistic of your own, with supporting sources, for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840s. I’m still waiting."

    What we DO KNOW is that the 70% statistic had directly referred to three southern cities where Jews owned slaves at that point in time, NOT the entire United States, as touted by Martin.

    And didn't you just say that it is a "relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable"?

    And didn't I say that the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis?

    Perhaps NO one actually knows the actual answer to the "proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830's/1840's".

    But, to show you I'm a good sport, Junius Rodriguez (The Historical Encyclopedia of World Slavery, Volume 1, ABC-CLIO, 1997) referenced...

    "A few Jews even became prominent slave owning planters in the Old South...as successful as these Jewish Southerners were by Southern standards, they represent a very tiny percentage of the 20,000 Jews residing in the antebellum South who could, or would, ever aspire to own a slave. About 5,000 Jews owned one or more slaves - about 1.25 percent of all the slaveowners in the antebellum South...For those Jews who did own slaves, the records demonstrate that they were not significantly different from other masters in their treatments of their bondsmen."

    Note that the antebellum period covers the period before the Civil War, 1820-1860.

    Regardless of factual accuracy, some would argue that these numbers are meaningless since they neglect to account for any other difference in demographics besides religion. For example, poorer families were less likely to own slaves than wealthier families.

    If we account for all other factors, it ends up there is no statistically significant difference between Jews and the overall population in terms of slave ownership, especially since levels of slave ownership varied in the southern states and in southern cities. For example, this source (forward.com/articles/205455/slaves-of-charleston/?p=all) notes that in 1830 the proportion of Jewish residents of Charleston who owned slaves was similar to that of the general white population (83% versus 87%).
    , @Chuck Orloski
    "... you (Corvinus) need to provide a statistic of your own... for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840. I'm still waiting.'

    Dear geokat62,

    As always, I come to you in peace. Regrading you marathon debate with Corvinus, and as I a far from being an expert on slave ownership during mid-1800's, I offer the two suggestions, below:

    1.) I trust there are others here @ Unz Review interested in the topic on the percentage of Jews (based in southern states) who owned slaves. Speaking respectfully, the argument is narrow to a point of my wanting to whack myself in the head!

    With G-d's help and by comment # 400, I am hopeful you guys will ask the BIG question as to WHO PROFITED by organizing slave round ups and transporting them to the New World for assignment. No doubt, this highly organized EVIL slave trade operation might be compared to the profits garnered in today's life destroying heroin trade! Does this pick your arm with a dirty needle?

    2.) What Corvinus and you debate is "small change" in comparison to the activities of Sephardic Jews & the West Indies Co. which was the primary outfit that transported slaves to the New World! (Sigh) While you guys argue endlessly about percentages of slaves owned by Jews in the American south (mid-19th century)..., I am gone NUMB that zero (0) consideration is given to the fact that slaves were also delivered to countries like Brazil & the Caribbean Islands and astronomical high profit margins prevailed for the shipping magnates. Who were the S. American slave owners, & besides being adherents to satanism, what creed?

    Finally, there is not one (1) even mid-level "Cheerleader for Israel" who would break trust and describe WHO manages & profits from mighty Afghanistan opium cultivation and multi-national distribution. But please note that there's one guy (presently M.I.A. at The Unz Review comment exchange) who has the balls to say that which patriotic American parents of heroin addicts need to know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

    Peace be upon Rehmat1 and refer to his web site below?

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/11/20/israel-benefits-from-afghan-opium-cultivation/

    Post scriptum: Geokat62, please try and subdue ill feelings for me? I know how you intellectually, & with a conscience, engage in serious discussions. However, I am smelling the exhaust of missing Zyklon B each time I see you and Corvinus wrestle with the abomination that happened during the mid-19th century when there is so much evil shit happening right now..., while millions of slaves-to-the-TV are sadly more interested in determining who killed JonBenet Ramsey. Thanks and good night!
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  • Many of us who voted from Trump thought he would be less hawkish than Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately, such a choice was risky because it is very difficult to predict the foreign policy of an incoming president. Lyndon Johnson ran as the peace candidate against hawk Barry Goldwater, but it was Johnson who dramatically escalated the Vietnam War. Neither of the Bushes were expected to be very hawkish, but they both were. Reagan was not nearly as hawkish as some people expected. Many people thought Nixon would quadruple the military budget and start WWIII, but it didn’t happen.

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  • @Miro23

    Evidence of (yet) further inroads into the power structure of America may be seen in the (unannounced, not even after the fact) of Amazon to expunge over 70 titles (see my website by clicking my name). .................

    Amazon has resisted these calls for decades. But now, we’ve got Trump, and his hatchet man, Jared Kushner.
     

    I'd be surprised if Trump was aware of the deletions, but if he was, you're right that it wouldn't bother him.

    For example, he knows exactly what happened to the WTC buildings (he's a New York high rise developer after all - with a recording of his initial reaction) and he happens to be best friends with the people who set it up.

    If books questioning the official 9/11 story also disappeared from Amazon he wouldn't give it a moment's notice either. Trump is interested in the power structure that supports Trump, not some airy-fairy notions of Truth and Justice.

    If he has a weakness, it comes from conflicts within this power structure. Being "all things to all men" is a good way to get elected but some supporters are going to be disappointed - it's just not clear which ones.

    “Trump is interested in the power structure that supports that supports Trump, not some airy-fairy notions of Truth and Justice.”

    Thanks for posting this informative comment and the web site, Miro23!

    The quotation (above) employs the term “power structure” which floats around in my mind like an matter-energy field that our human minds know is there, but our ability to tangibly see the power structure” is stunted like the forbidden books named in the “linked” web site.

    It seems fair to say that Wall Street, the world’s big banks, oligarchs, and multi-billionaires make up the essential core of the “power structure.” Do you agree?

    In addition, in Thursday’s Wall Street Journal, March 9, 2017, there’s a front page (lengthy) article called “Family Offices Blitz The Street,” and written by Das & Chung. Following is a paragraph from the article which I trust you may access and read:

    “On a warm October day in 2014, envoys from 15 of America’s wealthiest families gatered at Circle T, Ross Perot Jr.’s 2,5000-acre ranch out side Dallas… The purpose of the two day retreat was for families to get acquainted and eventually team up to pursue investments.”
    (PARAGRAPH BREAK)
    “bankers take notice… Goldman Sachs bankers last year started paying more attention to “family offices” after realizing they were losing out on merger deals involving such offices… KKR Co. Mr. Jim Burns, leader for individual-investment business asserted, “It’s an ocean of wealth.”

    Miro23 — I now finally return to the point of one’s recognizing the “power structure.”

    First of all, I fully admit that I am aware of my smallness within what Burns described as an “ocean of wealth.” I can not fathom the awesome political influence such holders of this wealth have over President Trump.

    One thing that (I believe) is valid is that 6 out of the 7 “oceans of wealth” desire to waterboard President Vladimir Putin until he obeys what covers > 2/3 of the Earth’s surface — liquidity (H20) I have no guess as to what you might think at this juncture, Miro23, but I would surely appreciate learning.

    Finally, I am not a Karl Marx scholar but I have read his works, in English. I recall how the philosopher noted how under the evolutionary model of capitalism, money (capital) tends to increase and assemble into fewer and fewer hands.

    Although the 1% has made hamburger out of Marx’s revolt, it appears to me that “Family Offices” offer evidence for my political view that no one gets to be POTUS without support of the “power structure” Ann now, Miro23, I end where I started and thanks again!

    Post scriptum: 1.) Regret that I did not take time to find the book where the Karl Marx quote came from. 2.) To “anon” from his comment # 378; F.Y.I., the weird dude’s name is mcohen and is not the Irish-sounding “McCohen” that you mistakenly employed. Danke schon. ‘ .

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    I don't have any secret knowledge about the US Election, but I've read Trumps books and followed what he's been doing over the years.

    I would call him an opportunist. He's good at evaluating different situations and when he thinks that he can put together a winning coalition he goes for it in a big way. He works hard (hands on), values personal loyalty and quickly eliminates people who don't perform.

    In other words he's a very effective player, as he proved again in the Republican selection process and the election itself.

    His "Power Structure" is just an alliance of all the people who supported him (I don't see any shadowy forces in the background) :

    - The middle class who have little improvement in their standard of living
    - The unemployed hit by outsourcing.
    - The unskilled facing competition from large scale Latino immigration.
    - The military through having long term friendly contacts with him and being traditionalists.
    - The MIC through promises to increase military spending.
    - The South through being described as "Deplorables" by HRC.
    - The Neo-cons through his targeting Iran.
    - Israelis through his lack of interest in Palestinians and "Jerusalem as capital" statement.
    - Some women through his desire to reform education.
    - Some Blacks through his promise to tackle inner city unemployment.
    - Some Latinos through his traditional social views.
    - Many people through his emphasis on Law and Order and support of the police.
    - Small business owners looking forward to lower taxes.
    - People sick of the waste and expense of ME wars, wanting money spent on infrastructure.
    - People who didn't like Clinton's reckless plan to provoke Russia and risk WW3

    The only people who seem to be excluded are the SJW crowd, the MSM and outsourcing corporations/Wall St. (with all the associated Special Interest Plutocrats) although they seem to be coming round.

    Trump has gathered together a very disparate group of supporters and he can't give them all that they want, so on past form, he'll probably wait to see which way the wind blows and then decide which of them to emphasize/fade to best suits his purposes (Trump First).

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  • @Sam Shama
    Nazi dipshit, my 1st cousins both served two tours of Aghanistan.

    Nazi dipshit, my 1st cousins both served two tours of Aghanistan.

    Hot damn, smoke’em if you got’em.

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  • @Chuck Orloski
    "Hitler fanboy, don't try too hard."

    Dear Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg,

    As you know by now, any insults I get from you are entirely desirable.

    You can call me anything you so desire because I know WHAT you are... a chickenhawk Jew who wants to dispatch Americans soldier to wars for the sake of Israel.

    Selah.

    Nazi dipshit, my 1st cousins both served two tours of Aghanistan.

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    Nazi dipshit, my 1st cousins both served two tours of Aghanistan.

    Hot damn, smoke'em if you got'em.

    , @Chuck Orloski
    "Nazi dispshit, my first cousins both served two tours in Afghanistan,"

    Dear Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg,

    Thanks for calling me "Nazi dipshit" --- you always seem to make me feel better!

    Regarding the Afghanistan (military?) service of your two first cousins, you might write to Cuomo and ask him if he would ask the I.D.F. command to give them an honorary "Medal of Valor." That would be nice.

    Understand also that service "tours" could mean anything ranging from that of U.S. soldiers, to a contractors working on natural gas pipelines, and to the poppy-heroin trade which is back in business since the W. Bush attack which was designed to corner O.B.L. in Tora Bora?

    Thanks again for the so-so "dip shit" crack... I know you can do better!

    Selah.
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  • @RobinG
    Atzmon is often long-winded (perhaps understandable in a saxophonist :) ), but here he gets right to the point, (with great wit, and the assistance of Dershowitz), in 5 min.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn1DIPQXoMg&feature=youtu.be
    United Against Freedom
    "In Britain, the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) , a ultra Zionist body, is crudely interfering with elementary human rights. It seems as if the campaign that was formed to fight Jew-hatred, has achieved the complete opposite. These developments can only hurt British Jews..."

    Jez Turner is an imbecile as Nazis often are, but I am glad to give him the megaphone if only to speed his demise as a spokesperson for nationalists. England needs a Bannon.

    Gideon Falter errs bringing to bear the weight of the CPS, when clowns are best left alone to invariably lose their voice through normal public disdain. That said, I’d ask Gilad what he thinks of Dershowitz’s little homily to fellow Jews, cherry picking mixing well it seems, with nuttiness and the Saxophone.

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  • @geokat62

    No, I did NOT propose this alternative statistic. Another diversion on your part.
     
    Previous exchange:

    geokat62 - No, it is up to you to provide proof the statistic, 75% of Jewish households owned slaves is wrong, not merely misleading, as you originally alleged.

    Corvinus - I called you a liar for a reason. You made a statement–70% of jewish families owned slaves– without even documenting a source. I investigated further and discovered Louis Farrakan made this claim. This claim was disputed by this evidence by a historian–In 1860, there were about 15,000 Southern Jews and 4 million slaves. If 3 million (75 percent) were so owned, this would mean 200 slaves for every Jewish man, woman and child, or 1,000 slaves for every Jewish head of household. Jews owned only a fraction of 1 percent – thousands, not millions – of the enslaved population.”

    It is now YOUR job to counter this claim.
     

    So much for the diversion.

    Martin took this statement from one of the Jewish sources “In 1820, over 75% of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves”, but conveniently left out the year and specific localities. So this statistic ONLY pertains to three southern cities, NOT the entire nation.
     
    As I stated previously, Prof. Martin cited The Secret Relationship for his assertions, which are based on several Jewish sources (especially Rosenwaike), including these references:

    "In Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah," he continues, "the overwhelming proportion (over four-fifths) of the Jewish households contained one or more slaves; in New Orleans over three-fifths were slaveholders; in Baltimore, less than one-fifth.”696 Nationwide, "Probably close to two-fifths of the Jewish families of 1820 owned slaves...697"

    Korn, "Jews and Negro Slavery," p. 183: "The proportion of Jewish slave-owners, then, was possibly even larger than that of non-Jews, since the overwhelming majority of Southern Jews lived in the towns and cities."

    696 Rosenwaike, Edge of Greatness, p. 66.
    697 Rosenwaike, "Jewish Population of 1820," p. 18. These figures correspond to data collected seventy years later by the Bureau of the Census which surveyed American Jews. See Raphael, p. 17: "Even more striking: two-thirds of all the Jewish families in the United States had at least one servant! Jews had clearly achieved a comfortable position in American society."
     

    So, stepping back, I again emphasize that it is a relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable. The important point to make is this: rather than playing a trivial role in the slave trade and slave ownership, as the Jewish lobbies were endeavouring to do, The Secret Relationship provided incontrovertible evidence that Jews played a significant role in the slave trade as well as slaveownership.

    Now, did as many as 70% of Jewish households own slaves in the 1830/1840s? That number, like any number, can be disputed. But what can't be disputed, based on the Jewish sources sited in TSR, is this: the proportion of Jewish slaveowners probably exceeded that of non-Jewish slaveowners.

    “So much for the diversion.”

    I am not the creator of this statement–”In 1860, there were about 15,000 Southern Jews and 4 million slaves. If 3 million (75 percent) were so owned, this would mean 200 slaves for every Jewish man, woman and child, or 1,000 slaves for every Jewish head of household. Jews owned only a fraction of 1 percent – thousands, not millions – of the enslaved population.”

    That would be Harold Brackman, who took Lous Farrakhan to task for claiming that Brackman supported the claim that 75% of slaves were held by Jews. I merely referenced Brackman’s quotation.

    “As I stated previously, Prof. Martin cited The Secret Relationship for his assertions, which are based on several Jewish sources (especially Rosenwaike), including these references.”

    A statistic that HE claimed to be nationwide, but in reality was local. Since he misinformed his audience on this particular point, it has lead people to doubt his other claims, as evident by the refutations I provided that you have yet to address.

    And, again, how are we to trust Jewish sources on slavery if people like Martin have other than trust for Jews in general?

    “Probably close to two-fifths of the Jewish families of 1820 owned slaves…”

    Probably, but not a certainty. You do realize that three-fifths of non-Jewish families owned slaves. Praytell, what was the breakdown of each ethnic group or nationality of this group? Was purchasing slaves a sign of one’s ethnic display of superiority or because of the family’s wealth, or both?

    “The proportion of Jewish slave-owners, then, was possibly even larger than that of non-Jews, since the overwhelming majority of Southern Jews lived in the towns and cities.”

    Possibly, indeed. Korn made this conclusion ONLY by offering the proper context–”Another statistical indication of Jewish ownership of slaves, probably more accurate in terms of proportions than the census returns, are references to slaves in Jewish wills. Over the years, Professor Jacob R. Marcus has assembled at the American Jewish Archives, one hundred and twenty-nine wills of identifiable Southern Jews who died during the period of interest. Of these, 33 refer to the ownership and disposition of slaves. [That would mean 96 did NOT own slaves] This would mean, if it is a reliable index, that perhaps one-fourth of Southern Jewish adults were slave owners. [That would mean three-fourths Southern Jewish adults were NOT slave owners]. It is instructive that this matches the federal figures for the 1860 census, namely, that three-fourths of the white population of the South were not slave owners. Equally important, however, is the fact that only one-seventh of Southern Negroes were domiciled in towns and cities.”

    “Even more striking: two-thirds of all the Jewish families in the United States had at least one servant!”

    Servant. Does that mean black slave or white servant? Moreover, would not this statistic indicate that wealthy Jews compared to not wealthy Jews had been more likely to express their status when it comes to outside help? How is their behavior any different to wealthy non-Jews of the same time period? Furthermore, what is the ethnic breakdown of those wealthy Americans who owned slaves from 1820-1860? Would it not be fair to say that, for example, if the Scots-Irish consisted of the largest slave-holding ethnic group, that one could reasonable argue the Scots-Irish was more of a menace to blacks compared to Jews?

    “So, stepping back, I again emphasize that it is a relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable.”

    So only until you realize you were backed into a corner that the statistic suddenly becomes “trivial” and “based on a number of assumptions”. You got your hat handed to you.

    “The important point to make is this: rather than playing a trivial role in the slave trade and slave ownership, as the Jewish lobbies were endeavouring to do, The Secret Relationship provided incontrovertible evidence that Jews played a significant role in the slave trade as well as slaveownership.”

    Some Jews downplay their role in the slave trade, and some non-Jews overstate their role in the slave trade. The Secret Relationship offered evidence that Jews played a role in the slave trade and slave ownership. Significant? Widespread? That depends on one’s point of view.

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    That would be Harold Brackman, who took Lous Farrakhan to task for claiming that Brackman supported the claim that 75% of slaves were held by Jews. I merely referenced Brackman’s quotation.
     
    Prof. Martin clarified that this was a slip of the tongue, but you insist on repeating it as if he actually believed this to be true.

    And, again, how are we to trust Jewish sources on slavery if people like Martin have other than trust for Jews in general?
     
    The Jewish sources cited in TSR stand on their own merits and the veracity of these sources can be confirmed, regardless of someone's level of trust for Jews.

    You do realize that three-fifths of non-Jewish families owned slaves.
     
    Not sure where you got that stat from. According to the Ira Rosenwaike source (cited in TSR), only 36% of all households owned slaves in 1830.

    Some Jews downplay their role in the slave trade, and some non-Jews overstate their role in the slave trade. The Secret Relationship offered evidence that Jews played a role in the slave trade and slave ownership. Significant? Widespread? That depends on one’s point of view.
     
    Here is how one critic summarized the significance of The Secret Relationship:

    Historian Ralph A. Austen heavily criticized the book and said that although the book may seem fairly accurate, it is an anti-Semitic book. However, he added that before the publication of The Secret Relationship, some scholars were reluctant to discuss Jewish involvement in slavery because of fear of damaging the "shared liberal agenda" of Jews and African Americans. In that sense, Austen found the book's aims of challenging the myth of universal Jewish benevolence throughout history to be legitimate even though the means to that end resulted in an anti-Semitic book.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_slavery
     
    P.S. Before one can determine who was handed his hat, you need to provide a statistic of your own, with supporting sources, for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840s. I'm still waiting.
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  • BTW have you noticed that “no man can serve two masters” is actually false? And “dual”or “divided” loyalties has always been the reality of most civilised people’s lives? Cf. multiple identities. Most people don”t drive themselves mad trying constantly to reconcile them all.

    I have noticed no such thing. A “master” is an overriding loyalty. “Two Masters” implies two equal loyalties, at the top of one’s hierarchy. IMO it doesn’t exist; one is always greater.

    You’re describing a hierarchy of loyalties, “master” describes the one at the top.

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    BTW have you noticed that “no man can serve two masters” is actually false? And “dual”or “divided” loyalties has always been the reality of most civilised people’s lives?
     
    It's quotes like these that prompted me to rechristen the WofO, the Wizard of Sophistry.
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  • Not all of them. The old Rothbard/Hoppe wing rejected mainstream libertarian dogma on open borders

    Libertardianism is useful as a transition state (many go on to saner things). Remaining there signals uselessness, cowardice, Asperger’s, etc.

    Bottom line: you should be a little more careful next time before accusing people of being liers without be absolutely clear about what they are asserting.

    Just FYI, Corvanus is a lying piece of shit. I say that to save you time.

    Corvanus supporting the Deep State:

    http://www.unz.com/pbuchanan/the-deep-state-targets-trump/#comment-1770517

    Corvanus LARPS as White Nationalist:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/when-work-disappears-manufacturing-decline-and-the-falling-marriage-market-value-of-men/#comment-1781167

    Corvanus defends megacorporations:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/not-wanting-america-to-be-a-colony-of-the-world-is-mccarthyite/#comment-1782084

    Corvanus defends Jewish slave-owners with “because they were rich!”:

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/cheerleading-for-israel/#comment-1792273

    What you won’t find, is a comment from Corvanus criticizing the ongoing Jewish colonialism in Palestine. Corvanus finds centuries-old, long-over European colonialism very salient, mentioning it on a pretty regular basis. But ongoing Jewish colonialism just doesn’t merit mention in his mental universe.

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  • @Anon
    " These questions and more to be answered in Ripley's believe it or Knot"

    McCohen are you related to Max Cohen who anglicized his name to Max Cohn?

    I think I am getting a whiff of Lox.

    No... I think I am getting more stench from another Hasbara troll.

    Max Cohen was the Jewish father of
    Frank Collins, the infamous NeoNAZI from the famed Skoki Ill. ACLU first amendment trial.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Collin

    If you don't remember this well documented event that got worldwide exposer, it was even played repeatedly on the Zio History Channel, it was about the NAZI Frank Collins who was later outed as being Jewish after being arrested for sexually abusing little boys.

    After this revelation, the Zio media never
    corrected their story and never reported that Collins was a Jewish phony NAZI.

    Mccohen.... you should spend more time investigating the phony Jewish NAZIs
    and less time calling patriotic American school bus drivers NAZIs because they disagree with sending Americans to fight wars for Israel.

    “McCohen are you related to Max Cohen who anglicized his name to Max Cohn?”

    Jewish literary talent in America has been exhausted in the effort to disguise the name Cohen of which you may find in the New York Telephone Directory no less than twenty-four variations: Cohen, Cohn, Cone, Cunn, Curie, Coan, Coon, Cohene, Cane, Kohn, Kohne, Kohen, Kohene, Kuhn, Kuhne, Kun, Kunn, Koen, Konn, Coone, Cahn, Kone, Kann, and Kahn.

    Now and Forever — A Conversation with Israel Zangwill (New York: Robert M. McBride & Co., 1925)

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  • @Sam Shama
    Hitler fanboy, don't try too hard

    selah indeed.

    “Hitler fanboy, don’t try too hard.”

    Dear Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg,

    As you know by now, any insults I get from you are entirely desirable.

    You can call me anything you so desire because I know WHAT you are… a chickenhawk Jew who wants to dispatch Americans soldier to wars for the sake of Israel.

    Selah.

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    Nazi dipshit, my 1st cousins both served two tours of Aghanistan.
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  • @Jett Rucker
    Evidence of (yet) further inroads into the power structure of America may be seen in the (unannounced, not even after the fact) of Amazon to expunge over 70 titles (see my website by clicking my name) documenting the thousands of ways the standard Holocaust story MUST be doubted. E.g., gas chambers.

    Amazon has resisted these calls for decades. But now, we've got Trump, and his hatchet man, Jared Kushner.

    Evidence of (yet) further inroads into the power structure of America may be seen in the (unannounced, not even after the fact) of Amazon to expunge over 70 titles (see my website by clicking my name). ……………..

    Amazon has resisted these calls for decades. But now, we’ve got Trump, and his hatchet man, Jared Kushner.

    I’d be surprised if Trump was aware of the deletions, but if he was, you’re right that it wouldn’t bother him.

    For example, he knows exactly what happened to the WTC buildings (he’s a New York high rise developer after all – with a recording of his initial reaction) and he happens to be best friends with the people who set it up.

    If books questioning the official 9/11 story also disappeared from Amazon he wouldn’t give it a moment’s notice either. Trump is interested in the power structure that supports Trump, not some airy-fairy notions of Truth and Justice.

    If he has a weakness, it comes from conflicts within this power structure. Being “all things to all men” is a good way to get elected but some supporters are going to be disappointed – it’s just not clear which ones.

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    "Trump is interested in the power structure that supports that supports Trump, not some airy-fairy notions of Truth and Justice."

    Thanks for posting this informative comment and the web site, Miro23!

    The quotation (above) employs the term "power structure" which floats around in my mind like an matter-energy field that our human minds know is there, but our ability to tangibly see the power structure" is stunted like the forbidden books named in the "linked" web site.

    It seems fair to say that Wall Street, the world's big banks, oligarchs, and multi-billionaires make up the essential core of the "power structure." Do you agree?

    In addition, in Thursday's Wall Street Journal, March 9, 2017, there's a front page (lengthy) article called "Family Offices Blitz The Street," and written by Das & Chung. Following is a paragraph from the article which I trust you may access and read:

    "On a warm October day in 2014, envoys from 15 of America's wealthiest families gatered at Circle T, Ross Perot Jr.'s 2,5000-acre ranch out side Dallas... The purpose of the two day retreat was for families to get acquainted and eventually team up to pursue investments."
    (PARAGRAPH BREAK)
    "bankers take notice... Goldman Sachs bankers last year started paying more attention to "family offices" after realizing they were losing out on merger deals involving such offices... KKR Co. Mr. Jim Burns, leader for individual-investment business asserted, "It's an ocean of wealth."

    Miro23 -- I now finally return to the point of one's recognizing the "power structure."


    First of all, I fully admit that I am aware of my smallness within what Burns described as an "ocean of wealth." I can not fathom the awesome political influence such holders of this wealth have over President Trump.

    One thing that (I believe) is valid is that 6 out of the 7 "oceans of wealth" desire to waterboard President Vladimir Putin until he obeys what covers > 2/3 of the Earth's surface -- liquidity (H20) I have no guess as to what you might think at this juncture, Miro23, but I would surely appreciate learning.

    Finally, I am not a Karl Marx scholar but I have read his works, in English. I recall how the philosopher noted how under the evolutionary model of capitalism, money (capital) tends to increase and assemble into fewer and fewer hands.

    Although the 1% has made hamburger out of Marx's revolt, it appears to me that "Family Offices" offer evidence for my political view that no one gets to be POTUS without support of the "power structure" Ann now, Miro23, I end where I started and thanks again!

    Post scriptum: 1.) Regret that I did not take time to find the book where the Karl Marx quote came from. 2.) To "anon" from his comment # 378; F.Y.I., the weird dude's name is mcohen and is not the Irish-sounding "McCohen" that you mistakenly employed. Danke schon. ' .
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  • @Sam Shama
    well ok, I'll buy that, but reluctantly

    Atzmon is often long-winded (perhaps understandable in a saxophonist :) ), but here he gets right to the point, (with great wit, and the assistance of Dershowitz), in 5 min.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn1DIPQXoMg&feature=youtu.be

    United Against Freedom
    “In Britain, the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) , a ultra Zionist body, is crudely interfering with elementary human rights. It seems as if the campaign that was formed to fight Jew-hatred, has achieved the complete opposite. These developments can only hurt British Jews…”

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    Jez Turner is an imbecile as Nazis often are, but I am glad to give him the megaphone if only to speed his demise as a spokesperson for nationalists. England needs a Bannon.

    Gideon Falter errs bringing to bear the weight of the CPS, when clowns are best left alone to invariably lose their voice through normal public disdain. That said, I'd ask Gilad what he thinks of Dershowitz's little homily to fellow Jews, cherry picking mixing well it seems, with nuttiness and the Saxophone.

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  • @Corvinus
    "There is an old saying in statistics: torture the numbers long enough and they’ll confess."

    Exactly what you are demonstrating here.

    "You yourself proposed an alternate statistic of a fraction of one percent."

    No, I did NOT propose this alternative statistic. Another diversion on your part.

    "That said, I ask again, what statistic do you propose as being more suitable than the 75% statistic for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840s and what sources can you cite that are more robust than the sources cited in TSR, to support your proposed statistic?"

    tjm, who ran away, originally stated that "70% of Jewish families owned slaves" without offering a source. You came to his rescue, stating that a black historian referenced "Jewish historians who have analyzed the 1830 census have discovered that whereas something like 30-odd percent of the white population may have owned one or more slaves in the South, for Jewish households it was over 70 percent."

    Martin took this statement from one of the Jewish sources “In 1820, over 75% of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves”, but conveniently left out the year and specific localities. So this statistic ONLY pertains to three southern cities, NOT the entire nation.

    Martin states that a Jewish historian used the 1830 census to derive his figures, except the census at that time did not specify slave owners and religious affiliation.

    Martin used Jewish sources we are to automatically believe is accurate, despite Jews being commonly labeled as liars and thieves.

    Martin neglects to consider the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis.

    There were several other related points that I made that you have overtly ignored or yet to offer a cogent rebuttal.

    No, I did NOT propose this alternative statistic. Another diversion on your part.

    Previous exchange:

    geokat62 – No, it is up to you to provide proof the statistic, 75% of Jewish households owned slaves is wrong, not merely misleading, as you originally alleged.

    Corvinus – I called you a liar for a reason. You made a statement–70% of jewish families owned slaves– without even documenting a source. I investigated further and discovered Louis Farrakan made this claim. This claim was disputed by this evidence by a historian–In 1860, there were about 15,000 Southern Jews and 4 million slaves. If 3 million (75 percent) were so owned, this would mean 200 slaves for every Jewish man, woman and child, or 1,000 slaves for every Jewish head of household. Jews owned only a fraction of 1 percent – thousands, not millions – of the enslaved population.”

    It is now YOUR job to counter this claim.

    So much for the diversion.

    Martin took this statement from one of the Jewish sources “In 1820, over 75% of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves”, but conveniently left out the year and specific localities. So this statistic ONLY pertains to three southern cities, NOT the entire nation.

    As I stated previously, Prof. Martin cited The Secret Relationship for his assertions, which are based on several Jewish sources (especially Rosenwaike), including these references:

    “In Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah,” he continues, “the overwhelming proportion (over four-fifths) of the Jewish households contained one or more slaves; in New Orleans over three-fifths were slaveholders; in Baltimore, less than one-fifth.”696 Nationwide, “Probably close to two-fifths of the Jewish families of 1820 owned slaves…697″

    Korn, “Jews and Negro Slavery,” p. 183: “The proportion of Jewish slave-owners, then, was possibly even larger than that of non-Jews, since the overwhelming majority of Southern Jews lived in the towns and cities.”

    696 Rosenwaike, Edge of Greatness, p. 66.
    697 Rosenwaike, “Jewish Population of 1820,” p. 18. These figures correspond to data collected seventy years later by the Bureau of the Census which surveyed American Jews. See Raphael, p. 17: “Even more striking: two-thirds of all the Jewish families in the United States had at least one servant! Jews had clearly achieved a comfortable position in American society.”

    So, stepping back, I again emphasize that it is a relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable. The important point to make is this: rather than playing a trivial role in the slave trade and slave ownership, as the Jewish lobbies were endeavouring to do, The Secret Relationship provided incontrovertible evidence that Jews played a significant role in the slave trade as well as slaveownership.

    Now, did as many as 70% of Jewish households own slaves in the 1830/1840s? That number, like any number, can be disputed. But what can’t be disputed, based on the Jewish sources sited in TSR, is this: the proportion of Jewish slaveowners probably exceeded that of non-Jewish slaveowners.

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    “So much for the diversion.”

    I am not the creator of this statement--”In 1860, there were about 15,000 Southern Jews and 4 million slaves. If 3 million (75 percent) were so owned, this would mean 200 slaves for every Jewish man, woman and child, or 1,000 slaves for every Jewish head of household. Jews owned only a fraction of 1 percent – thousands, not millions – of the enslaved population.”

    That would be Harold Brackman, who took Lous Farrakhan to task for claiming that Brackman supported the claim that 75% of slaves were held by Jews. I merely referenced Brackman’s quotation.

    “As I stated previously, Prof. Martin cited The Secret Relationship for his assertions, which are based on several Jewish sources (especially Rosenwaike), including these references.”

    A statistic that HE claimed to be nationwide, but in reality was local. Since he misinformed his audience on this particular point, it has lead people to doubt his other claims, as evident by the refutations I provided that you have yet to address.

    And, again, how are we to trust Jewish sources on slavery if people like Martin have other than trust for Jews in general?

    “Probably close to two-fifths of the Jewish families of 1820 owned slaves…”

    Probably, but not a certainty. You do realize that three-fifths of non-Jewish families owned slaves. Praytell, what was the breakdown of each ethnic group or nationality of this group? Was purchasing slaves a sign of one's ethnic display of superiority or because of the family's wealth, or both?

    “The proportion of Jewish slave-owners, then, was possibly even larger than that of non-Jews, since the overwhelming majority of Southern Jews lived in the towns and cities.”

    Possibly, indeed. Korn made this conclusion ONLY by offering the proper context--”Another statistical indication of Jewish ownership of slaves, probably more accurate in terms of proportions than the census returns, are references to slaves in Jewish wills. Over the years, Professor Jacob R. Marcus has assembled at the American Jewish Archives, one hundred and twenty-nine wills of identifiable Southern Jews who died during the period of interest. Of these, 33 refer to the ownership and disposition of slaves. [That would mean 96 did NOT own slaves] This would mean, if it is a reliable index, that perhaps one-fourth of Southern Jewish adults were slave owners. [That would mean three-fourths Southern Jewish adults were NOT slave owners]. It is instructive that this matches the federal figures for the 1860 census, namely, that three-fourths of the white population of the South were not slave owners. Equally important, however, is the fact that only one-seventh of Southern Negroes were domiciled in towns and cities."

    “Even more striking: two-thirds of all the Jewish families in the United States had at least one servant!”

    Servant. Does that mean black slave or white servant? Moreover, would not this statistic indicate that wealthy Jews compared to not wealthy Jews had been more likely to express their status when it comes to outside help? How is their behavior any different to wealthy non-Jews of the same time period? Furthermore, what is the ethnic breakdown of those wealthy Americans who owned slaves from 1820-1860? Would it not be fair to say that, for example, if the Scots-Irish consisted of the largest slave-holding ethnic group, that one could reasonable argue the Scots-Irish was more of a menace to blacks compared to Jews?

    “So, stepping back, I again emphasize that it is a relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable.”

    So only until you realize you were backed into a corner that the statistic suddenly becomes “trivial” and "based on a number of assumptions". You got your hat handed to you.

    “The important point to make is this: rather than playing a trivial role in the slave trade and slave ownership, as the Jewish lobbies were endeavouring to do, The Secret Relationship provided incontrovertible evidence that Jews played a significant role in the slave trade as well as slaveownership.”

    Some Jews downplay their role in the slave trade, and some non-Jews overstate their role in the slave trade. The Secret Relationship offered evidence that Jews played a role in the slave trade and slave ownership. Significant? Widespread? That depends on one’s point of view.
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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @mcohen
    hi chuck

    did i get a whiff of paki,some curry,a remnant of a rehmat.

    wait a bit i got a sniff.......something my man something.

    fetch the shadows of the moon

    which one of you is connected to the bomb threats and grave stone vandalism.who has got the ouijai on top of the cup .these questions and more to be answered in ripley,s believe it and knot.

    ” These questions and more to be answered in Ripley’s believe it or Knot”

    McCohen are you related to Max Cohen who anglicized his name to Max Cohn?

    I think I am getting a whiff of Lox.

    No… I think I am getting more stench from another Hasbara troll.

    Max Cohen was the Jewish father of
    Frank Collins, the infamous NeoNAZI from the famed Skoki Ill. ACLU first amendment trial.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Collin

    If you don’t remember this well documented event that got worldwide exposer, it was even played repeatedly on the Zio History Channel, it was about the NAZI Frank Collins who was later outed as being Jewish after being arrested for sexually abusing little boys.

    After this revelation, the Zio media never
    corrected their story and never reported that Collins was a Jewish phony NAZI.

    Mccohen…. you should spend more time investigating the phony Jewish NAZIs
    and less time calling patriotic American school bus drivers NAZIs because they disagree with sending Americans to fight wars for Israel.

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    "McCohen are you related to Max Cohen who anglicized his name to Max Cohn?"

    Jewish literary talent in America has been exhausted in the effort to disguise the name Cohen of which you may find in the New York Telephone Directory no less than twenty-four variations: Cohen, Cohn, Cone, Cunn, Curie, Coan, Coon, Cohene, Cane, Kohn, Kohne, Kohen, Kohene, Kuhn, Kuhne, Kun, Kunn, Koen, Konn, Coone, Cahn, Kone, Kann, and Kahn.
     
    Now and Forever — A Conversation with Israel Zangwill (New York: Robert M. McBride & Co., 1925)
    , @mcohen
    Mcohen does not need to investigate....mcohen nose.the big hooked one can sniff the stench out from afar


    Yes I can get a sniff of something,sweat is running down the spine.pooling at the pucker.then on its way extra potent to the feet.yes yes I smell it now...stinkfoot

    There are not many nazi,s left.1945 has passed.so no this has nothing to do with nazi,s.
    So anon.....forget the NAZI bullshit diversion in bus driver from nut bush city limits crap.
    stinkfoot as zappa would point out is called homo drono.

    Fetch it my shadows and show them in the light.then apply the talcum.and now from the great man himself

    Frank zappa

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzzi1j_frank-zappa-stink-foot-a-token-of-his-extreme_music
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  • @Chuck Orloski
    "which one of you are connected to the bomb threats and grave stone vandalism."

    M Cohen,

    As the U.S. President and Department of Justice allowed those who vandalized (took down) down the three (3) W.T.C. towers to remain at-large and in power, it's very likely that more forensic research is being implemented now in order to catch those connected with "bomb threats and grave stone vandalism."

    Above is a real good "ouijai" ritualistic one for Ripley's "Believe it or not" to entertain, eh Cohen?

    Selah!

    Hitler fanboy, don’t try too hard

    selah indeed.

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    "Hitler fanboy, don't try too hard."

    Dear Deputy Nazi-Hunting Dawg,

    As you know by now, any insults I get from you are entirely desirable.

    You can call me anything you so desire because I know WHAT you are... a chickenhawk Jew who wants to dispatch Americans soldier to wars for the sake of Israel.

    Selah.
    , @iffen
    Speaking of the devil, we haven't had any propaganda of the week picks from S2C.
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  • @iffen
    our country

    A normal patriot should resent the public bringing to heel of our President. To meet with the foreign leader that did this, so soon after its occurrence, is disrespectful of the Office of the President and of our country.

    well ok, I’ll buy that, but reluctantly

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    • Replies: @RobinG
    Atzmon is often long-winded (perhaps understandable in a saxophonist :) ), but here he gets right to the point, (with great wit, and the assistance of Dershowitz), in 5 min.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn1DIPQXoMg&feature=youtu.be
    United Against Freedom
    "In Britain, the Campaign Against Antisemitism (CAA) , a ultra Zionist body, is crudely interfering with elementary human rights. It seems as if the campaign that was formed to fight Jew-hatred, has achieved the complete opposite. These developments can only hurt British Jews..."
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  • @geokat62

    How do you refute their positions on this matter?
     
    There is an old saying in statistics: torture the numbers long enough and they'll confess.

    This all started by your claiming that I was a liar for stating the following:


    The figure tjm quoted (70% of Jewish families owned slaves) is accurate according to Professor Tony Martin who informs us that this information comes from Jewish sources.
     
    I still stand by the veracity of this statement.

    What is clear is you take issue with the figure of 75%. I get it. One can poke holes in any figure that is put out there. You yourself proposed an alternate statistic of a fraction of one percent. This statistic, however, is problematic because it was based on the faulty premise that the problem we were trying to solve was to demonstrate the proportion of slaves owned by Jews, instead of the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves.

    That said, I ask again, what statistic do you propose as being more suitable than the 75% statistic for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840s and what sources can you cite that are more robust than the sources cited in TSR, to support your proposed statistic?

    “There is an old saying in statistics: torture the numbers long enough and they’ll confess.”

    Exactly what you are demonstrating here.

    “You yourself proposed an alternate statistic of a fraction of one percent.”

    No, I did NOT propose this alternative statistic. Another diversion on your part.

    “That said, I ask again, what statistic do you propose as being more suitable than the 75% statistic for the proportion of Jewish households that owned slaves in the 1830/1840s and what sources can you cite that are more robust than the sources cited in TSR, to support your proposed statistic?”

    tjm, who ran away, originally stated that “70% of Jewish families owned slaves” without offering a source. You came to his rescue, stating that a black historian referenced “Jewish historians who have analyzed the 1830 census have discovered that whereas something like 30-odd percent of the white population may have owned one or more slaves in the South, for Jewish households it was over 70 percent.”

    Martin took this statement from one of the Jewish sources “In 1820, over 75% of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves”, but conveniently left out the year and specific localities. So this statistic ONLY pertains to three southern cities, NOT the entire nation.

    Martin states that a Jewish historian used the 1830 census to derive his figures, except the census at that time did not specify slave owners and religious affiliation.

    Martin used Jewish sources we are to automatically believe is accurate, despite Jews being commonly labeled as liars and thieves.

    Martin neglects to consider the proportion of slaveholders has never been an accurate measure of the social or economic importance of slaveholding, unless it is assessed on a broadly regional or state-by-state basis.

    There were several other related points that I made that you have overtly ignored or yet to offer a cogent rebuttal.

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    No, I did NOT propose this alternative statistic. Another diversion on your part.
     
    Previous exchange:

    geokat62 - No, it is up to you to provide proof the statistic, 75% of Jewish households owned slaves is wrong, not merely misleading, as you originally alleged.

    Corvinus - I called you a liar for a reason. You made a statement–70% of jewish families owned slaves– without even documenting a source. I investigated further and discovered Louis Farrakan made this claim. This claim was disputed by this evidence by a historian–In 1860, there were about 15,000 Southern Jews and 4 million slaves. If 3 million (75 percent) were so owned, this would mean 200 slaves for every Jewish man, woman and child, or 1,000 slaves for every Jewish head of household. Jews owned only a fraction of 1 percent – thousands, not millions – of the enslaved population.”

    It is now YOUR job to counter this claim.
     

    So much for the diversion.

    Martin took this statement from one of the Jewish sources “In 1820, over 75% of all Jewish families in Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah owned slaves”, but conveniently left out the year and specific localities. So this statistic ONLY pertains to three southern cities, NOT the entire nation.
     
    As I stated previously, Prof. Martin cited The Secret Relationship for his assertions, which are based on several Jewish sources (especially Rosenwaike), including these references:

    "In Charleston, Richmond, and Savannah," he continues, "the overwhelming proportion (over four-fifths) of the Jewish households contained one or more slaves; in New Orleans over three-fifths were slaveholders; in Baltimore, less than one-fifth.”696 Nationwide, "Probably close to two-fifths of the Jewish families of 1820 owned slaves...697"

    Korn, "Jews and Negro Slavery," p. 183: "The proportion of Jewish slave-owners, then, was possibly even larger than that of non-Jews, since the overwhelming majority of Southern Jews lived in the towns and cities."

    696 Rosenwaike, Edge of Greatness, p. 66.
    697 Rosenwaike, "Jewish Population of 1820," p. 18. These figures correspond to data collected seventy years later by the Bureau of the Census which surveyed American Jews. See Raphael, p. 17: "Even more striking: two-thirds of all the Jewish families in the United States had at least one servant! Jews had clearly achieved a comfortable position in American society."
     

    So, stepping back, I again emphasize that it is a relatively trivial thing to challenge a particular statistic ( i.e., 70%), as there are a number of assumptions upon which this statistic is based that are easily assailable. The important point to make is this: rather than playing a trivial role in the slave trade and slave ownership, as the Jewish lobbies were endeavouring to do, The Secret Relationship provided incontrovertible evidence that Jews played a significant role in the slave trade as well as slaveownership.

    Now, did as many as 70% of Jewish households own slaves in the 1830/1840s? That number, like any number, can be disputed. But what can't be disputed, based on the Jewish sources sited in TSR, is this: the proportion of Jewish slaveowners probably exceeded that of non-Jewish slaveowners.

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  • @Corvinus
    "How disingenuous can you become? You admit that in three cities of the South with heavy Jewish populations 75% of Jewish families owned slaves."

    Correct. Was it because of their Jewness or because of their wealth?

    "Yet you call the fellow who says over 70% of Jewish families owned slaves a “liar”."

    For making the false claim that 70% of all Jewish families in the United States owned slaves. Martin neglects to mention from the source that he used that "of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion—75 percent—were owners of one or more slaves.” So Martin just takes the percent and fails to offer the proper context.

    Are you that much of a dupe?

    Martin neglects to mention from the source that he used that “of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion—75 percent—were owners of one or more slaves.” So Martin just takes the percent and fails to offer the proper context.

    Based on my previous comment, I think it is very clear which passage of The Secret Relationship Prof. Martin is citing when he references the 75% statistic. The source of this statistic is Ira Rosenwaike’s Edge of Greatness, in which on page 66, he cites Lee Soltow’s population studies published in 1971, pp 825-26:

    Rosenwaike, whose Jewish population studies have been published in the major Jewish historical journals, has recently analyzed the 1971 population studies of Lee Soltow. Rosenwaike does not dispute Soltow’s startling findings:

    Soltow estimates that 36 percent of the 625,000 families in the South in 1830 were slaveholders. Of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion – 75 percent – were owners of one or more slaves.695

    695 Rosenwaike, Edge of Greatness, p. 66. Also Lee Soltow, “Economic Inequality in the United States in the Period from 1790 to 1860,” Journal of Economic History, vol. 31 (1971), pp. 825-26; Korn, “Jews and Negro Slavery,” p. 183: “The proportion of Jewish slave-owners, then, was possibly even larger than that of non-Jews, since the overwhelming majority of Southern Jews lived in the towns and cities,”

    Are you that much of a dupe?

    If we are being duped, all you have to do is get hold of these two sources and reproduce the relevant pages to see if they contain the information they are purported to contain.

    We all look forward to seeing the results of your investigation.

    P.S. TSR was penned by the Research Department of the Nation of Islam – i.e., neither by the Minister nor the Prof.

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  • @Sam Shama

    It is unbecoming for a Governor to disrespect the current President, and our country, by meeting with Bibi after Bibi’s recent bringing to heel our previous President ....
     
    Cuomo disrespects Trump by flying to Tel Aviv because Trump is smarting from the snubbing Obama received?!!!

    No; you must be right on this one, seeing as this is the first instance of a U.S. governor taking a trip to TA, but more importantly, Trump and Obama are best friends....or ...or...something of real gravity like ...help me.

    P.S. btw did you miss Bibi's recent visit to DC, where he invited Trump and several senators and governors for a reciprocal visit?

    you must be right on this one, seeing as this is the first instance of a U.S. governor taking a trip to TA

    I see the deal.

    Everybody and his brother can pick the facts, events, timelines, personalities, etc. that support his view, ignoring contradictory or non-supporting information, but let me try it and here comes Sam.

    Tweet.

    Unfair!!!

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  • @mcohen
    hi chuck

    did i get a whiff of paki,some curry,a remnant of a rehmat.

    wait a bit i got a sniff.......something my man something.

    fetch the shadows of the moon

    which one of you is connected to the bomb threats and grave stone vandalism.who has got the ouijai on top of the cup .these questions and more to be answered in ripley,s believe it and knot.

    “which one of you are connected to the bomb threats and grave stone vandalism.”

    M Cohen,

    As the U.S. President and Department of Justice allowed those who vandalized (took down) down the three (3) W.T.C. towers to remain at-large and in power, it’s very likely that more forensic research is being implemented now in order to catch those connected with “bomb threats and grave stone vandalism.”

    Above is a real good “ouijai” ritualistic one for Ripley’s “Believe it or not” to entertain, eh Cohen?

    Selah!

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    Hitler fanboy, don't try too hard

    selah indeed.

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  • @Anon
    Hey crow-eater,

    How disingenuous can you become? You admit that in three cities of the South with heavy Jewish populations 75% of Jewish families owned slaves.

    Yet you call the fellow who says over 70% of Jewish families owned slaves a "liar".

    I can't even.

    @people in general: Don't waste your time. "Corvinus" seeks primarily to get you to waste your time, and so far seems to be succeeding. Just put him, her, it, or them on "ignore" and you will lose nothing of substance.

    “How disingenuous can you become? You admit that in three cities of the South with heavy Jewish populations 75% of Jewish families owned slaves.”

    Correct. Was it because of their Jewness or because of their wealth?

    “Yet you call the fellow who says over 70% of Jewish families owned slaves a “liar”.”

    For making the false claim that 70% of all Jewish families in the United States owned slaves. Martin neglects to mention from the source that he used that “of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion—75 percent—were owners of one or more slaves.” So Martin just takes the percent and fails to offer the proper context.

    Are you that much of a dupe?

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    Martin neglects to mention from the source that he used that “of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion—75 percent—were owners of one or more slaves.” So Martin just takes the percent and fails to offer the proper context.
     
    Based on my previous comment, I think it is very clear which passage of The Secret Relationship Prof. Martin is citing when he references the 75% statistic. The source of this statistic is Ira Rosenwaike's Edge of Greatness, in which on page 66, he cites Lee Soltow's population studies published in 1971, pp 825-26:

    Rosenwaike, whose Jewish population studies have been published in the major Jewish historical journals, has recently analyzed the 1971 population studies of Lee Soltow. Rosenwaike does not dispute Soltow's startling findings:

    Soltow estimates that 36 percent of the 625,000 families in the South in 1830 were slaveholders. Of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion – 75 percent – were owners of one or more slaves.695

    695 Rosenwaike, Edge of Greatness, p. 66. Also Lee Soltow, “Economic Inequality in the United States in the Period from 1790 to 1860,” Journal of Economic History, vol. 31 (1971), pp. 825-26; Korn, “Jews and Negro Slavery,” p. 183: “The proportion of Jewish slave-owners, then, was possibly even larger than that of non-Jews, since the overwhelming majority of Southern Jews lived in the towns and cities,”
     

     

    Are you that much of a dupe?
     
    If we are being duped, all you have to do is get hold of these two sources and reproduce the relevant pages to see if they contain the information they are purported to contain.

    We all look forward to seeing the results of your investigation.

    P.S. TSR was penned by the Research Department of the Nation of Islam - i.e., neither by the Minister nor the Prof.
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  • @iffen
    Anyway, iffen, I’d sincerely like to intervene

    I gave you a shout out in one of my comments re reading the article.

    Get on back to fantasizing about those cheerleaders who never paid you any attention before I try to slip the x rated version of my comment by the censor because I am in a real kerfuffle, triggered to the max and devoid of safe spaces.

    RE: 88 prop, maxed out until next year thanks to all the helpful 88s in the comment section here at Unz.

    Hey iffen,

    Look at article, below, and see who might be permitted to come back and domicile in Jewish Hollywood! Who knows? The new Chinese?Hollywood film producers might even like the stuff Roman Polanski does, for one example, “Rosemary’s Baby.”

    http://www.tmz.com/2017/03/10/roman-polanski-to-judge-say-ive-done-my-time-and-ill-come-back/

    Gentile Southern California parents of both elementary & high school age “cheerleaders” best keep an eye on Roman P. when & iffen he returns!

    I hope you successfully “slip in the X-rated comment by” the Unz Review moderator soon, and I also hope you can patch it up with Sam the Sham soon! Why our having two (2) united fools are better than downsizing to only one (1) on Unz article “threads”!

    F.Y.I., Must go now because I am driving bus in today’s Scranton St. Patrick’s day parade! Look forward to reading more of your fascinating confusion.

    Selah.

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  • @Chuck Orloski
    "Because a couple of posters here thought that they could defend questionable statistics regarding Jewish involvement in slavery and get away with it."

    Oh, I see now, Corvinus! I hope you get the bastard "posters" and they leave "Cheerleaders for Israel" alone!.

    I certainly appreciate what you do, but have you ever read any mid-19th letters published by the "Bintel Brief"? Very interesting stuff especially for one as determined as you!

    F.Y.I., This publication featured painful (personal) letters written by immigrant Jews who were bewildered by the polyglot society they settled within and often exploited by Gentile port managers who operated New Orleans (ferry boat) transfer stations of blacks from the Congo to upriver Louisiana plantations, owned by former-Irish Catholics who converted to Judaism "for the money advantage."

    The following is a "Bintel Brief" letter-to-the-editor (dated 1851) and republished by the Jewish Daily Forward which started in 1897, and still survives to this date in N.Y.C. Corvinus, I suggest that you might research the letter's controversial subject matter, and eventually offer a response to me here on this "thread" exchange which has sort of run amok by "posters" who commit treason by obsessive pursuit of innocent Israeli "cheerleaders" :

    Dear Editor To Bintel Brief:

    I was born in a small town town in Russia, and until I was sixteen I studied in Talmud Torahs and yeshivas, but when my parents moved close to the Ukraine border I changed quickly into a "freethinker" for fear that Orthodox "nuts" would think my skin was too "olive colored" and send me back to Ekaterinberg & become a "serf" in the employ of a superfluous and lazy Russian landowner.

    However, my family paid a bribe to a Czarist immigration officer and I ended up traveling across the Atlantic in a retired whaling boat owned by Newfoundland Jews! They used to hold synagogue on the deck and they even let me be a cantor so that I could chant melodic prayers for all the black slaves who were interred on the ship!. No one knew that the "whaling boat" was really one (1) of ten (10) crafts that delivered thousands of blacks from a Madagascar port to what eventually became known as Fort Sumter, Carolina!

    When I finally reached the New Orleans port, and looking to start a great plantation management career, I was gloomy and depressed when I learned that nineteen (19) secular Jews posed as A-rabs and got their (expletive) names placed ahead of mine. Oy vay! And I complained about the slight to the port's top Italian immigrant boss. Angry, I said, "This is a crime, Sir, why are you pissing on me? And can't you tell these so-called Jews are really ragheads?" The wop just laughed and told me, "Ha -- so you've gotten 'pissed' upon, eh? Go get yourself a raincoat and work gloves and report back to me in ten minutes for inhuman dock work!" Dear Bintel Brief" Editor... does he really have the (expletive) right to do this to me?.... I hope you will print my letter and give your opinion.

    Selah,
    Milton Rosenthal, Jr.

    hi chuck

    did i get a whiff of paki,some curry,a remnant of a rehmat.

    wait a bit i got a sniff…….something my man something.

    fetch the shadows of the moon

    which one of you is connected to the bomb threats and grave stone vandalism.who has got the ouijai on top of the cup .these questions and more to be answered in ripley,s believe it and knot.

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    "which one of you are connected to the bomb threats and grave stone vandalism."

    M Cohen,

    As the U.S. President and Department of Justice allowed those who vandalized (took down) down the three (3) W.T.C. towers to remain at-large and in power, it's very likely that more forensic research is being implemented now in order to catch those connected with "bomb threats and grave stone vandalism."

    Above is a real good "ouijai" ritualistic one for Ripley's "Believe it or not" to entertain, eh Cohen?

    Selah!
    , @Anon
    " These questions and more to be answered in Ripley's believe it or Knot"

    McCohen are you related to Max Cohen who anglicized his name to Max Cohn?

    I think I am getting a whiff of Lox.

    No... I think I am getting more stench from another Hasbara troll.

    Max Cohen was the Jewish father of
    Frank Collins, the infamous NeoNAZI from the famed Skoki Ill. ACLU first amendment trial.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Collin

    If you don't remember this well documented event that got worldwide exposer, it was even played repeatedly on the Zio History Channel, it was about the NAZI Frank Collins who was later outed as being Jewish after being arrested for sexually abusing little boys.

    After this revelation, the Zio media never
    corrected their story and never reported that Collins was a Jewish phony NAZI.

    Mccohen.... you should spend more time investigating the phony Jewish NAZIs
    and less time calling patriotic American school bus drivers NAZIs because they disagree with sending Americans to fight wars for Israel.
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  • @Sam Shama

    It is unbecoming for a Governor to disrespect the current President, and our country, by meeting with Bibi after Bibi’s recent bringing to heel our previous President ....
     
    Cuomo disrespects Trump by flying to Tel Aviv because Trump is smarting from the snubbing Obama received?!!!

    No; you must be right on this one, seeing as this is the first instance of a U.S. governor taking a trip to TA, but more importantly, Trump and Obama are best friends....or ...or...something of real gravity like ...help me.

    P.S. btw did you miss Bibi's recent visit to DC, where he invited Trump and several senators and governors for a reciprocal visit?

    our country

    A normal patriot should resent the public bringing to heel of our President. To meet with the foreign leader that did this, so soon after its occurrence, is disrespectful of the Office of the President and of our country.

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    well ok, I'll buy that, but reluctantly
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  • @Sam Shama
    Own up. You like it too; a good mix up that is. And invoking Hitch was a guaranteed draw for this neighbourhood.

    Yes, I do it as well. This one just went over my head.

    Geo does it every time he cuts and pastes “blood and treasure.”

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  • @Sam Shama
    They most certainly lobby hard to get more. All the time, if not quite as brazenly as Bibi. Egypt e.g. with the implicit backing of the House of Saud puts up a good haggle every year. Just that it's not on the front pages.

    Just that it’s not on the front pages.

    I wonder if the peanut gallery could give us ideas on why this might be the case?

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  • @iffen
    It’s a bridge too far I realised, for the bedraggled infantry to cross over in this acrid patch.

    We can read, you know.

    I understand you find his chumminess with Bibi cringeworthy

    It is unbecoming for a Governor to disrespect the current President, and our country, by meeting with Bibi after Bibi's recent bringing to heel our previous President regarding the exact amount of foreign aid due Israel.

    It is unbecoming for a Governor to disrespect the current President, and our country, by meeting with Bibi after Bibi’s recent bringing to heel our previous President ….

    Cuomo disrespects Trump by flying to Tel Aviv because Trump is smarting from the snubbing Obama received?!!!

    No; you must be right on this one, seeing as this is the first instance of a U.S. governor taking a trip to TA, but more importantly, Trump and Obama are best friends….or …or…something of real gravity like …help me.

    P.S. btw did you miss Bibi’s recent visit to DC, where he invited Trump and several senators and governors for a reciprocal visit?

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    our country

    A normal patriot should resent the public bringing to heel of our President. To meet with the foreign leader that did this, so soon after its occurrence, is disrespectful of the Office of the President and of our country.
    , @iffen
    you must be right on this one, seeing as this is the first instance of a U.S. governor taking a trip to TA

    I see the deal.

    Everybody and his brother can pick the facts, events, timelines, personalities, etc. that support his view, ignoring contradictory or non-supporting information, but let me try it and here comes Sam.

    Tweet.

    Unfair!!!
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  • @Corvinus
    "I don’t really care how you spend your time, but can you pause a moment & please tell me why the fuck you are so obsessed with transforming Mr. Giraldi’s fantastic article “Cheerleading for Israel” into a forum on the well documented Jewish involvement with the trans-Atlantic slave trade?"

    Because a couple of posters here thought they could defend questionable statistics regarding Jewish involvement in slavery and get away with it.

    “Because a couple of posters here thought that they could defend questionable statistics regarding Jewish involvement in slavery and get away with it.”

    Oh, I see now, Corvinus! I hope you get the bastard “posters” and they leave “Cheerleaders for Israel” alone!.

    I certainly appreciate what you do, but have you ever read any mid-19th letters published by the “Bintel Brief”? Very interesting stuff especially for one as determined as you!

    F.Y.I., This publication featured painful (personal) letters written by immigrant Jews who were bewildered by the polyglot society they settled within and often exploited by Gentile port managers who operated New Orleans (ferry boat) transfer stations of blacks from the Congo to upriver Louisiana plantations, owned by former-Irish Catholics who converted to Judaism “for the money advantage.”

    The following is a “Bintel Brief” letter-to-the-editor (dated 1851) and republished by the Jewish Daily Forward which started in 1897, and still survives to this date in N.Y.C. Corvinus, I suggest that you might research the letter’s controversial subject matter, and eventually offer a response to me here on this “thread” exchange which has sort of run amok by “posters” who commit treason by obsessive pursuit of innocent Israeli “cheerleaders” :

    Dear Editor To Bintel Brief:

    I was born in a small town town in Russia, and until I was sixteen I studied in Talmud Torahs and yeshivas, but when my parents moved close to the Ukraine border I changed quickly into a “freethinker” for fear that Orthodox “nuts” would think my skin was too “olive colored” and send me back to Ekaterinberg & become a “serf” in the employ of a superfluous and lazy Russian landowner.

    However, my family paid a bribe to a Czarist immigration officer and I ended up traveling across the Atlantic in a retired whaling boat owned by Newfoundland Jews! They used to hold synagogue on the deck and they even let me be a cantor so that I could chant melodic prayers for all the black slaves who were interred on the ship!. No one knew that the “whaling boat” was really one (1) of ten (10) crafts that delivered thousands of blacks from a Madagascar port to what eventually became known as Fort Sumter, Carolina!

    When I finally reached the New Orleans port, and looking to start a great plantation management career, I was gloomy and depressed when I learned that nineteen (19) secular Jews posed as A-rabs and got their (expletive) names placed ahead of mine. Oy vay! And I complained about the slight to the port’s top Italian immigrant boss. Angry, I said, “This is a crime, Sir, why are you pissing on me? And can’t you tell these so-called Jews are really ragheads?” The wop just laughed and told me, “Ha — so you’ve gotten ‘pissed’ upon, eh? Go get yourself a raincoat and work gloves and report back to me in ten minutes for inhuman dock work!” Dear Bintel Brief” Editor… does he really have the (expletive) right to do this to me?…. I hope you will print my letter and give your opinion.

    Selah,
    Milton Rosenthal, Jr.

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    hi chuck

    did i get a whiff of paki,some curry,a remnant of a rehmat.

    wait a bit i got a sniff.......something my man something.

    fetch the shadows of the moon

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  • @RobinG
    Like my crewmate said as we rowed across the Beaufort channel against the tide, "Well....we're closer than we've ever been before." (Thank you, Rand Paul. :))

    For Immediate Release
    March 10, 2017

    GABBARD'S STOP ARMING TERRORISTS ACT INTRODUCED IN SENATE

    Washington, DC—Rep. Tulsi Gabbard’s Stop Arming Terrorists Act has been introduced in the U.S. Senate by Senator Rand Paul. The bipartisan legislation (H.R.608 and S.532) would prohibit any Federal agency from using taxpayer dollars to provide weapons, cash, intelligence, or any support to al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist groups, and it will prohibit the government from funneling money and weapons through other countries who are directly or indirectly supporting terrorists.

    The legislation is currently cosponsored by Reps. John Conyers (D-MI), Scott Perry (R-PA), Peter Welch (D-VT), Tom Garrett (R-VA), Thomas Massie (R-KY), Barbara Lee (D-CA), Walter Jones (R-NC), Ted Yoho (R-FL), and Paul Gosar (R-AZ), and endorsed by Progressive Democrats of America (PDA), Veterans for Peace, and the U.S. Peace Council.

    “For years, the U.S. government has been supporting armed militant groups working directly with and often under the command of terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government. Rather than spending trillions of dollars on regime change wars in the Middle East, we should be focused on defeating terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda, and using our resources to invest in rebuilding our communities here at home,” said Rep. Tulsi Gabbard. “The fact that American taxpayer dollars are being used to strengthen the very terrorist groups we should be focused on defeating should alarm every Member of Congress and every American. We call on our colleagues and the Administration to join us in passing this legislation.”

    “One of the unintended consequences of nation-building and open-ended intervention is American funds and weapons benefiting those who hate us,” said Dr. Rand Paul. “This legislation will strengthen our foreign policy, enhance our national security, and safeguard our resources.”

    Background: The Stop Arming Terrorists Act prohibits U.S. government funds from being used to support al-Qaeda, ISIS or other terrorist groups. In the same way that Congress passed the Boland Amendment to prohibit the funding and support to CIA backed-Nicaraguan Contras during the 1980’s, this bill would stop CIA or other Federal government activities in places like Syria by ensuring U.S. funds are not used to support al-Qaeda, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, ISIS, or other terrorist groups working with them. It would also prohibit the Federal government from funding assistance to countries that are directly or indirectly supporting those terrorist groups. The bill achieves this by:

    · Making it illegal for any U.S. Federal government funds to be used to provide assistance covered in this bill to terrorists. The assistance covered includes weapons, munitions, weapons platforms, intelligence, logistics, training, and cash.

    · Making it illegal for the U.S. government to provide assistance covered in the bill to any nation that has given or continues to give such assistance to terrorists.

    · Requiring the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) to determine the individual and groups that should be considered terrorists, for the purposes of this bill, by determining: (a) the individuals and groups that are associated with, affiliated with, adherents to or cooperating with al-Qaeda, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, or ISIS; (b) the countries that are providing assistance covered in this bill to those individuals or groups.

    · Requiring the DNI to review and update the list of countries and groups to which assistance is prohibited every six months, in consultation with the House Foreign Affairs and Armed Services Committees, as well as the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

    · Requiring the DNI to brief Congress on the determinations

    Like my crewmate said as we rowed across the Beaufort channel against the tide, “Well….we’re closer than we’ve ever been before.” (Thank you, Rand Paul. :))

    Well, well, well, what do you know… it look like there may be a glimmer of hope, after all. I guess this means I lost the bet. Starbucks on me next time I’m in DC.

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  • @iffen
    Historically, empires made payments and bribes to leaders of rambunctious states while some states paid tribute. Frequently the bribes became tribute and who was paying tribute and who was supposed to pay to whom and how much was often "disputed." In any case, did any of the other states on your list refuse the offered amount and conduct "negotiations" in public over the amount for many months?

    They most certainly lobby hard to get more. All the time, if not quite as brazenly as Bibi. Egypt e.g. with the implicit backing of the House of Saud puts up a good haggle every year. Just that it’s not on the front pages.

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    Just that it’s not on the front pages.

    I wonder if the peanut gallery could give us ideas on why this might be the case?
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  • @geokat62
    iffen rocks my world by putting to Sam Shama the same query I put to him:

    Was the launching of 2nd Iraq war in the interest of the American people?
     
    To which Sam responds:

    Course not. Thought you understood I was looking for a good mix up which I have done here in the past and tend to do when things get too ho-hum. So steady on old chap.
     
    So, Sam, instead of honestly answering the same question I originally put to you, you decided to toy with me and respond by citing The Hitch's feeble attempt at justifying the unjustifiable. All because you like to get the dumb goy to chase their tails when things are getting a bit too ho-hum?

    Quite the remarkable character trait, old chap.

    Own up. You like it too; a good mix up that is. And invoking Hitch was a guaranteed draw for this neighbourhood.

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    Yes, I do it as well. This one just went over my head.

    Geo does it every time he cuts and pastes "blood and treasure."
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  • @geokat62
    iffen rocks my world by putting to Sam Shama the same query I put to him:

    Was the launching of 2nd Iraq war in the interest of the American people?
     
    To which Sam responds:

    Course not. Thought you understood I was looking for a good mix up which I have done here in the past and tend to do when things get too ho-hum. So steady on old chap.
     
    So, Sam, instead of honestly answering the same question I originally put to you, you decided to toy with me and respond by citing The Hitch's feeble attempt at justifying the unjustifiable. All because you like to get the dumb goy to chase their tails when things are getting a bit too ho-hum?

    Quite the remarkable character trait, old chap.

    Like my crewmate said as we rowed across the Beaufort channel against the tide, “Well….we’re closer than we’ve ever been before.” (Thank you, Rand Paul. :))

    For Immediate Release
    March 10, 2017

    GABBARD’S STOP ARMING TERRORISTS ACT INTRODUCED IN SENATE

    [MORE]

    Washington, DC—Rep. Tulsi Gabbard’s Stop Arming Terrorists Act has been introduced in the U.S. Senate by Senator Rand Paul. The bipartisan legislation (H.R.608 and S.532) would prohibit any Federal agency from using taxpayer dollars to provide weapons, cash, intelligence, or any support to al-Qaeda, ISIS and other terrorist groups, and it will prohibit the government from funneling money and weapons through other countries who are directly or indirectly supporting terrorists.

    The legislation is currently cosponsored by Reps. John Conyers (D-MI), Scott Perry (R-PA), Peter Welch (D-VT), Tom Garrett (R-VA), Thomas Massie (R-KY), Barbara Lee (D-CA), Walter Jones (R-NC), Ted Yoho (R-FL), and Paul Gosar (R-AZ), and endorsed by Progressive Democrats of America (PDA), Veterans for Peace, and the U.S. Peace Council.

    “For years, the U.S. government has been supporting armed militant groups working directly with and often under the command of terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government. Rather than spending trillions of dollars on regime change wars in the Middle East, we should be focused on defeating terrorist groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda, and using our resources to invest in rebuilding our communities here at home,” said Rep. Tulsi Gabbard. “The fact that American taxpayer dollars are being used to strengthen the very terrorist groups we should be focused on defeating should alarm every Member of Congress and every American. We call on our colleagues and the Administration to join us in passing this legislation.”

    “One of the unintended consequences of nation-building and open-ended intervention is American funds and weapons benefiting those who hate us,” said Dr. Rand Paul. “This legislation will strengthen our foreign policy, enhance our national security, and safeguard our resources.”

    Background: The Stop Arming Terrorists Act prohibits U.S. government funds from being used to support al-Qaeda, ISIS or other terrorist groups. In the same way that Congress passed the Boland Amendment to prohibit the funding and support to CIA backed-Nicaraguan Contras during the 1980’s, this bill would stop CIA or other Federal government activities in places like Syria by ensuring U.S. funds are not used to support al-Qaeda, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, ISIS, or other terrorist groups working with them. It would also prohibit the Federal government from funding assistance to countries that are directly or indirectly supporting those terrorist groups. The bill achieves this by:

    · Making it illegal for any U.S. Federal government funds to be used to provide assistance covered in this bill to terrorists. The assistance covered includes weapons, munitions, weapons platforms, intelligence, logistics, training, and cash.

    · Making it illegal for the U.S. government to provide assistance covered in the bill to any nation that has given or continues to give such assistance to terrorists.

    · Requiring the Director of National Intelligence (DNI) to determine the individual and groups that should be considered terrorists, for the purposes of this bill, by determining: (a) the individuals and groups that are associated with, affiliated with, adherents to or cooperating with al-Qaeda, Jabhat Fateh al-Sham, or ISIS; (b) the countries that are providing assistance covered in this bill to those individuals or groups.

    · Requiring the DNI to review and update the list of countries and groups to which assistance is prohibited every six months, in consultation with the House Foreign Affairs and Armed Services Committees, as well as the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

    · Requiring the DNI to brief Congress on the determinations

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    Like my crewmate said as we rowed across the Beaufort channel against the tide, “Well….we’re closer than we’ve ever been before.” (Thank you, Rand Paul. :))
     
    Well, well, well, what do you know... it look like there may be a glimmer of hope, after all. I guess this means I lost the bet. Starbucks on me next time I'm in DC.
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  • @Corvinus
    "I’m afraid you’re going to have to expand on this point a bit further. I’m not following why this should make a difference or have an impact on the accuracy of the statistic?"

    Was it 75% of all Jewish households that owned slaves or was it 75% of all wealthy Jewish households that owned slaves. If there are 100 Jewish families, and 75 owned slaves, that would indicate widespread ownership among this group. If there were 100 Jewish families, with 60 of them wealthy, and 40 of them not wealthy, then one would investigate further if they owned slaves. If 45 of the 60 who were wealthy owned slaves (75% of wealthy Jews owned slaves), and 30 of the 40 who were not wealthy did not own slaves (75% of not wealthy Jews did not own slaves), then these are two distinct statistics.

    You still have much explaining to do. How do you account that the 1830 census did NOT specify slaveholders and their religious affiliation? What is the source or sources that Martin claims came from Jewish historians regarding this 75% figure? To what extent was their research accurate? How do you account Martin for failing to consider that the 75% figure from 1820 did NOT represent all Jewish households who owned slaves in the entire South, it ONLY represented those Jewish households who owned slaves in three southern cities? And what about the facts I submitted into evidence regarding the other historians who dispute the contentions made by Martin and Farrakhan? How do you refute their positions on this matter?

    What is the source or sources that Martin claims came from Jewish historians regarding this 75% figure?

    Excerpt from The Secret Relationship between Blacks and Jews (pp. 129-30):

    Ira Rosenwaike analyzed the 1820 data which indicates the number of domestic slaves held by Jews:

    The Jewish population in 1820 is concentrated in a few principle towns, in particular the five centers which then had functioning congregations; New York, Philadelphia, Charleston, Richmond and Savannah… In Charleston, Richmond and Savannah the large majority (over three-fourths) of the Jewish households contained one or more slaves; in Baltimore only one out of three households were slaveholding; in New York, one out of eighteen… Among the slaveholding households the median number of slaves owned ranged from five in Savannah to one in New York.

    Rosenwaike, whose Jewish population studies have been published in the major Jewish historical journals, has recently analyzed the 1971 population studies of Lee Soltow. Rosenwaike does not dispute Soltow’s startling findings:

    Soltow estimates that 36 percent of the 625,000 families in the South in 1830 were slaveholders. Of the 322 household heads identified in the present study as [Jewish] residents of the same states at this enumeration, a considerably larger proportion – 75 percent – were owners of one or more slaves.695

    Footnotes:

    695 Rosenwaike, Edge of Greatness, p. 66. Also Lee Soltow, “Economic Inequality in the United States in the Period from 1790 to 1860,” Journal of Economic History, vol. 31 (1971), pp. 825-26; Korn, “Jews and Negro Slavery,” p. 183: “The proportion of Jewish slave-owners, then, was possibly even larger than that of non-Jews, since the overwhelming majority of Southern Jews lived in the towns and cities,”

    btw – tried procuring Rosenwaike’s Edge of Greatness, but it’s not available on Amazon.

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  • @iffen

    Social Evolution Forum

    The End of Prosperity: Why Did Real Wages Stop Growing in the 1970s?

    Something happened in the 1970s.

    During most of the 20th century—until the 1970s—wages of American workers grew much faster than inflation. In the half-century after 1927 real wages of unskilled labor increased by a factor of 3.5, while wages of manufacturing workers, expressed in inflation-adjusted dollars, increased 4-fold. Then came a break. Last year, 2012, real wages of both unskilled and manufacturing workers were actually lower than in 1978.

     

    Certainly globalisation or any economic policy for that matter has frictional costs which tend to vanish with time.

    Forty years, Sam, just how much fricking frictional time do you need?

    Plus 5 more, do I need to go and get the proof of exploding wage growth in the last 5?

    [do I need to go and get the proof of exploding wage growth in the last 5?]

    No, you don’t. Fully aware of the numbers which really started disintegrating after St. Reagan destroyed labour’s bargaining power.

    There’s a meeting of minds there, on the issue of labour’s share of income between Trump and Bernie which people did not necessarily catch on to.

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  • @Anon
    My "usual handle" is consonantal, so nothing useful there. From one form of my name "Berry Namer" can be obtained, or the suggestive "NY Reb Armer". "Anon" is pretty much a dead end unless you want to link it to "The Cruise of the Nona".

    Still waiting for that mysterious anagram (from "You'll gather" etc. arise many things, far too many actually; "Not an ugly army ---- ----" being my favourite barring the one in a comment above). That's the trouble with anagrams: always too many answers.

    [that’s the trouble with anagrams: always too many answers.]

    Yes indeed, and tbh it was rather silly of me to have thought anyone could have possibly gotten it, it being the result of a partial anagram coined by our debating union group to signal the end of all further meaningful exchange, with only playfulness and subterfuge remaining. ‘In the fullness of time’ came to be that expression which someone anagrammed ‘I’m [an] effluent loss’ — There you have it Berry Namer. Are you a NY Reb?

    :-)

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  • @LOL
    Netanyahu really loves to quote ancient grudges.

    *******************

    In a meeting with Putin in Moscow, Netanyahu said Persia had made “an attempt to destroy the Jewish people that did not succeed” some 2,500 years ago, an event commemorated through the Jewish holiday of Purim, which Israel will celebrate starting Saturday night and lasting in some places until Monday.

    “Today there is an attempt by Persia’s heir, Iran, to destroy the state of the Jews,” Netanyahu said. “They say this as clearly as possible and inscribe it on their ballistic missiles.”

    Adopting a conciliatory tone, Putin said that the events described by Netanyahu had taken place “in the fifth century B.C.”

    “We now live in a different world. Let us talk about that now,” Putin said.

    Very few mentions were made of the ‘gift’ presented by Putin to Netanyahu, and none about the veiled message of the gesture.

    “Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday gave visiting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a copy of Josephus Flavius’ ‘The Jewish War’ which was printed in Tuscany, Italy, in 1526, the Kremlin press service announced…
    ‘The Jewish War’ (Latin Bellum Judaicum or De Bello Judaico) was Josephus’ first work after arriving in Rome, following the repression of the Great Revold of the year 70. In 78 CE he finished the seven-volume account in Greek. It starts with the period of the Maccabees and concludes with accounts of the fall of Jerusalem, and the succeeding fall of the fortresses of Herodion, Macharont and Masada and the Roman victory celebrations in Rome, the mopping-up operations, Roman military operations elsewhere in the Empire and the uprising in Cyrene”…
    @http://www.jewishpress.com/news/israel/putin-gives-netanyahu-500-year-old-copy-of-the-jewish-war/2017/03/10/

    The Jewish war is about the folly of the Jewish Zealots (precursors of the Zionists) who rebelled against Roman rule believing that “At about that time, one from their country would become ruler of the habitable world.”  It led to the destruction of the Temple and the annihilation of the Jewish state.

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