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  • @Steve Sailer
    You should add Ann Coulter to the Basketeers.

    Who’s the leader of the club
    That’s made for you and me?

    (MAGA!)

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    T-R-U-M-P!

    I had a lot of verses last night, but right now I’m earwormed with Steve ‘n’ Seagulls inimitable Finngrass.

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  • From Variety: ... We're gonna need a bigger basket ... * I point out the "hateful" / "hate-filled" conundrum a lot, so I went back and listened closely to what Hillary told her fans. There are two quite different possibilities of things to say about Trump's tweets: - We deplore Trump'
  • There’s actually a band named Basket of Deplorables on Reverbnation!

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  • @Jefferson
    "Italy had a total homicide count of 526 in 2012, which Chicago must be heading towards"

    Italy has over 60 million people, Chicago has over 2 million people. When you break that down by per capita, 500 homicides out of a population of over 60 million people is nowhere near as bad as 500 homicides out of a population of over 2 million people.

    If you are trying to make Italy look bad you've failed.

    You’ve just restated the exact point I was making, that a single city in the US has total murders in the same ball-park as an entire major European nation.

    (If I wanted to make Italy look bad (I love the place) there are plenty of things to look at, but the murder rate’s not one of them. Anyway, Northern and Southern Italy are practically two separate nations. “The third world starts at Rome” I was told by a Torinese on my first visit.)

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  • Submitted by edmund_barton. If you have a Reddit account you can upvote it there. From Twitter: Ain't I a Deplorable?
  • Someone else on reddit came up with a different version of the Deplorables meme (sans Sailer), which went to the front page and was retweeted by one of Trump’s sons. Hillary’s team has attacked Pepe the so-called Nazi frog.

    https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/donald-trump-pepe-the-frog-and-white-supremacists-an-explainer/

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  • NBC News is saying The Deplorables image is racist because it features Pepe.

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  • From Variety: ... We're gonna need a bigger basket ... * I point out the "hateful" / "hate-filled" conundrum a lot, so I went back and listened closely to what Hillary told her fans. There are two quite different possibilities of things to say about Trump's tweets: - We deplore Trump'
  • @Big Bill
    I disagree with your comments regarding the futility of Taylor's quest.

    Look at what the Jewish Nation has been able to do in Israel since 1860 or so. From a few dinky ragtag bands of settlers/farmers funded by Jewish bankers (most of whom ran off after a few years of settlement!), they now rule supreme in Israel.

    Despite the initial setbacks, the Jewish Nation did not give up. It fought on. It established a shadow government. It bought land in Palestine and transferred ownership to worldwide Jewry such that it can NEVER be sold to goyim. It will always be the property of the Jewish Race and Nation.

    The Jewish Nation established schools, banks, unions, hospitals, factories, farms and armies -- an entire state and culture -- all dedicated to Jewish Supremacy in Palestine, and it worked!

    The jewish objective was majority rule.

    From what I gather, Spencer is seeking actual territorial separation. A harder sell, for many reasons.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    I don't know much about those men. From my perspective, the Alt Right leaders are:

    Ricky Vaughn
    Heartiste
    Steve Sailer
    Ramzpaul
    Porter, of the Kakistocracy blog
    I'd include Brimelow here for Vdare twitter account

    I should add that I’ve read MacDonald, found some of his work quite illuminating, and believe he has probably had a significant and clarifying influence on the Alt Right’s understanding of politics.

    No disrespect to him. He just doesn’t seem to be “leading” the charge nowadays. I could be bring. An important thinker and commentator nonetheless.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Big Bill
    I disagree with your comments regarding the futility of Taylor's quest.

    Look at what the Jewish Nation has been able to do in Israel since 1860 or so. From a few dinky ragtag bands of settlers/farmers funded by Jewish bankers (most of whom ran off after a few years of settlement!), they now rule supreme in Israel.

    Despite the initial setbacks, the Jewish Nation did not give up. It fought on. It established a shadow government. It bought land in Palestine and transferred ownership to worldwide Jewry such that it can NEVER be sold to goyim. It will always be the property of the Jewish Race and Nation.

    The Jewish Nation established schools, banks, unions, hospitals, factories, farms and armies -- an entire state and culture -- all dedicated to Jewish Supremacy in Palestine, and it worked!

    Palestine/Israel is geographically tiny and by the late 19th century had become an unimportant backwater of the Ottoman Empire largely inhabited by poor tenant farmers (fellaheen). As improbable as were the achievements of the Israeli pioneers in that setting, American White nationalists would face a much greater challenge – vast country, the choicest parts densely inhabited, an established government backed by a powerful military apparatus, and much greater population diversity than was found in 19th century Palestine. And as for control of Israel remaining Jewish forever, let’s wait at least until Israel surpasses the medieval Crusader states in its duration before we declare that to be likely.

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  • @Atomic_Pope
    Kevin MacDonald
    Jared Taylor
    Richard Spencer
    Lawrence Murray
    Peter Brimlow
    Walt Bismark

    ^^They are the Alt Right leaders. Not a gay Jew, Julian Assange or random Mulatto Sheriff.

    I don’t know much about those men. From my perspective, the Alt Right leaders are:

    Ricky Vaughn
    Heartiste
    Steve Sailer
    Ramzpaul
    Porter, of the Kakistocracy blog
    I’d include Brimelow here for Vdare twitter account

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    I should add that I've read MacDonald, found some of his work quite illuminating, and believe he has probably had a significant and clarifying influence on the Alt Right's understanding of politics.

    No disrespect to him. He just doesn't seem to be "leading" the charge nowadays. I could be bring. An important thinker and commentator nonetheless.
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    Jared Taylor
    Richard Spencer
    Lawrence Murray
    Peter Brimlow
    Walt Bismark

    ^^They are the Alt Right leaders. Not a gay Jew, Julian Assange or random Mulatto Sheriff.

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    I don't know much about those men. From my perspective, the Alt Right leaders are:

    Ricky Vaughn
    Heartiste
    Steve Sailer
    Ramzpaul
    Porter, of the Kakistocracy blog
    I'd include Brimelow here for Vdare twitter account
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  • @Anonymous

    What about jews? Things get done under jews.
     
    This is true. Just add Muslims, and you get a hell of a lot of dead jews. Whites create a buffering effect for jewish annihilation. Kind of the way our mexicans create a buffer effect for black on white crime here.

    “Kind of the way our mexicans create a buffer effect for black on white crime here.”

    Mexicans are an extremely poor buffer effect for Black on White crime, because Black on White crime is still the number 1 most common form of interracial crime in America.

    Black on Asian crime has also been on the come up recently in the last few years as more Asians immigrate to The U.S. Anybody who lives in California and watches their Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Francisco, or San Diego metropolitan area local news will notice this increasing pattern in Black on Asian crime.

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  • @Stephen R. Diamond
    You should be exultant, Trumpistas. Hillary's gaffe was an enormous piece of stupidity.

    But why do you follow the msm in focusing on deplorable. The key to why Hillary might go down with this election-losing comment is irredeemable. It's highly politically incorrect in America to say anyone is beyond redemption. [The doctrine of universal redeemability even got the serial liar Stephen R. Glass an initial pass by the Cal. State Bar - http://kanbaroo.blogspot.com/2011/12/93rd-installment-now-its-judge-honns.html]

    Because “deplorable” is for all White folks. It takes a lifetime of effort and special achievement, like landing a spacecraft on an asteroid or getting a quantum computer to work, to merit Irredeemable.

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  • @Marcus
    Someone should make a Les Deplorables Photoshop now.

    We need an Elvira-Gulch-peddling-bicycle meme, with Hellary’s face photoshopped over.
    The basket on her bike should have Deplorables on it in fancy script, and lots of cute puppies, Toto, Golden retrievers, etc., wearing MAGA hats jumping out.

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  • @bomag

    Any person could be a... Investing significant energy into ensuring that...
     
    Not just any person can be xyz. There are patterns, and we use those patterns to craft a better public life.

    You don't want to invest significant energy; how about investing a modest amount of energy?

    You are going full libertarian here: why have any mandates to wear clothes, or any strictures on public modesty? Why even have walls on the bathrooms? So now we have a discussion on the predatory nature of men towards women, and living with the perverts/criminals amongst us, and where to draw lines.

    “You are going full libertarian here: why have any mandates to wear clothes, or any strictures on public modesty? Why even have walls on the bathrooms? So now we have a discussion on the predatory nature of men towards women, and living with the perverts/criminals amongst us, and where to draw lines.”

    I remember during The Libertarian Party debate in Orlando which aired on C-SPAN, most Libertarians in the audience booed Gary Johnson when he said he does not favor abolishing driver’s licenses. Most Libertarians believe the government should not get to decide who has the legal right to drive because it infringes on our civil liberties. Most Libertarians also booed Gary Johnson when he said polygamy marriage should remain illegal. Most Libertarians believe the government should not get to decide how many women a man can legally marry at the same time because it infringes on our civil liberties. Most Libertarians also booed Gary Johnson when he said private businesses should not have the legal right to refuse service to customers based on race, ethnicity, gender, religion, and or sexual orientation.

    I feel sorry for most Libertarian voters who will never get their perfect 100 percent ideologically pure Libertarian candidate. They have to settle with a LINO like Gary Johnson who is Libertarian lite.

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  • @iSteveFan
    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.

    “Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.”

    And many Europeans came here to America to escape poverty. Do you think Ireland for example was a 1st world nation with an extremely high standard of living during the potato famine?

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  • @Anonymous
    Coates says, in support of Hillary's claims that Trumps supporters are "Islamophobic" (as she put it);

    "We know, for instance, some nearly 60 percent of Trump’s supporters hold “unfavorable views” of Islam, and 76 percent support a ban on Muslims entering the United States."

    In what psychological dictionary does holding an "unfavorable view" make one phobic? And "a ban on [something] entering" is not allowing it to impinge upon one's own space which is not at all the same thing as denying it the right to occupy it's space. The former is prudence, the latter, intolerance.

    I’d like them to poll Muslims about their views on Christians. Could they possibly be “christophobic”?

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  • @Anonymous
    Well put. The alt-right has issues with its spokespersons and unifying issues, a point well illustrated by Steve in his recent 'Alt-rock = Alt-right' post. The popularization of the term, and it coalescing around certain people, brings its own liabilities.

    Describing yourself as "alt-right" lumps you under a policy and personality tent that has an ugliness to it, an ugliness that extends beyond the unwelcome utterance of hate facts and hate truths. I'm a big fan of Steve and greatly appreciate his work, but when I look at the second "Deplorables" poster submitted in Comment 57, I can't help but feel a bit sad that some of these other characters represent a core part of the opposition to the other side's lunacy. There's an element of Horse Shoe Theory on display that conjures a longing for for simpler times.

    War is ugly and all that, but the notion of winning should not be.

    Describing yourself as “alt-right” lumps you under a policy and personality tent that has an ugliness to it, an ugliness that extends beyond the unwelcome utterance of hate facts and hate truths.

    That’s great! Trump was called Hitler, racist, bigot, etc., long before Clinton or the Establishment ever heard of alt-right. If alt-right didn’t exist YOU would be the alt-right if you vote for Trump. Alt-right takes the pressure off people like you. You can say, You think I’m bad well look at those guys! Jackboots, ovens, lynchings, blond-blue-eyed Nazis marching out of cornfields. Oh, the horror, the horror. Nice little Section 8 you got there. We’d like to keep it but . . .

    It’s called finesse, Anon. Finesse. You’re not dealing with the Marquess of Queensberry. You’re dealing with dogs from hell who want to throw you out of your home and job, if not kill you outright.

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  • Pretty much the ’68 Democratic Radicals strategy: Disparage, deprecate, denigrate the Deplorables!

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Canadian Observer
    Hilary neglected to say "anti-Semite" which is a little surprising given that she was speaking to her donors. Was that because she was a roll with the "phobes" or does the fact that Trump has a Jewish son-in-law absolve Trump supporters from this specific form of collective attack?

    Hilary neglected to say “anti-Semite” which is a little surprising given that she was speaking to her donors. Was that because she was a roll with the “phobes” or does the fact that Trump has a Jewish son-in-law absolve Trump supporters from this specific form of collective attack?

    I dislike “anti-semite.” It sounds like an insecticide. It feels like more of an active term. It makes me feel like attacking jews.

    “Jewiphobe” is more of a reactive term. It makes me feel like running away from jews.

    On the other hand, “Anti-Jew” feels like an admixture of the above. It makes me want to defend my house against jews.

    However, “Weinstein” makes me feel like I’m about to see a lot of blacks being unfairly abused, with no jews in sight.

    It’s confusing.

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  • @Anonymous
    Without him, nothing gets done, and everyone with power , white, male or not, knows it.

    What about jews? Things get done under jews.

    What about jews? Things get done under jews.

    This is true. Just add Muslims, and you get a hell of a lot of dead jews. Whites create a buffering effect for jewish annihilation. Kind of the way our mexicans create a buffer effect for black on white crime here.

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    "Kind of the way our mexicans create a buffer effect for black on white crime here."

    Mexicans are an extremely poor buffer effect for Black on White crime, because Black on White crime is still the number 1 most common form of interracial crime in America.

    Black on Asian crime has also been on the come up recently in the last few years as more Asians immigrate to The U.S. Anybody who lives in California and watches their Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Francisco, or San Diego metropolitan area local news will notice this increasing pattern in Black on Asian crime.
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  • @The most deplorable one
    https://twitter.com/hgfrog/status/774540891247742976

    Nice work. I’m going to assume you left out the brilliant, punk as [email protected], proprietor of the worlds most visited alt-right website out of respect for Steve’s subtle but firmly enforced sense of decorum.

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    We need to be smarter. We are getting sucked into the trap of restricting the movement, by having it presented as having leaders and goals that only a tiny, tiny minority can support. If that association is successful, the Alt Right will be aborted as a viable political party, and as a viable member of a political coalition.

    Spencer really needs to take a back seat. Taylor should pursue his genetics and microbiome interests on his own time.

    Yeah, some of the leading elements in the movement are clearly overly giddy about their moments in the sun. It’s understandable, as some (our gracious host especially) have spent considerable time and extolled considerable effort with little of the recognition that they deserve, but some are wearing this newfound attention better than others.

    I don’t think that Spencer is lacking for book smarts, but there is something perceivably off about him. He seems largely divorced from practicality, in love with his own overly philosophical musings and emerging celebrity, and unfit to lead much of anything. Yes Richard, please do go on about the Utopian white ethnostate. A heady defense of the concept is sure to be a winner.

    I remember seeing his Hitlerian aesthetic in a video from one of the AmRen conferences and just feeling embarrassed. Every smart and otherwise worthwhile thing to come out of his mouth was fatefully tied to the fact that it was coming from a boyish man cosplaying as the one leader who is sure to immediately turnoff 99% of the populace. Trolling lefties can be fun, and poking some holes in the tendency to shriek at the slightest hint of dissent as resurgent Nazi-ism has value, but there’s something else at play here and I have a hard time seeing how it works out for our betterment in the end. Hitler is a losing issue. Every time.

    Jared Taylor has done some good work, and accomplished a great deal by maintaining an organization to bring together and discuss topics too horrible for polite society, but for all his intellect and eloquence, he still often falls into the trap of being what the proponents of diversity, anti-white sentiment, and unlimited immigration have been scaremongering about for decades. He’s a smart guy who is working with a righteous cause, but the stuffy WASP who looks down his nose as he rattles off crime statistics, discusses genetic differences, and defends Hhhuwhite Identity might not be the best figurehead for broader opposition to mass immigration and The Cult of PC. I say this as someone who has enjoyed plenty of his videos and thinks that he actually comes off alright in some of his public forum speeches and Q&A segments.

    Many of the worst elements of the emergent alt-right leadership have the lucky curse of being independently wealthy through large inheritances or alimony payments. This has enabled them to be outspoken on issues that can otherwise destroy a person in these times, and we do owe some of them some gratitude, but it’s clear that the alt-right is already a fractious concept that will struggle to hold together in the coming years, and that some of the prominent figures will do more harm than good when it comes championing the important issues of our time. Some of these “Deplorables” are sorely out of touch, and you can only win so long with caricatures (see: the progression of the GOP candidate’s campaign, or most any primary-to-general-election cycle for that matter). Here’s a question that hasn’t gotten much thought: What does the alt-right look like under a Trump presidency?

    Hopefully the current batch of alt-right leaders will pave the way for a new wave that’s better equipped to champion the causes that will shape the country. For now, I have to admit that much of the criticism directed at the anti-establishment push possesses large elements of truth, which is a real shame as the issues at hand are incredibly important.

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  • @Bernardista
    It's not a band, it's a 2016 nursery rhyme:

    A tisket , A tasket,
    A Green and Yellow Basket of Deplorables!

    Nice!

    Isn’t it difficult to determine exactly when things went pear shaped, though? I mean, she’s shot herself in the foot so many times it’s no wonder she has difficulty climbing stairs.

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  • @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    Switzerland is much closer to the subcontinent, Indian Guy. Can’t do much better than that for a standard of living. That should have been their first stop. England should have been next on the list; it fits your criteria and it’s already some sort of Desi sub-state.

    Admit to the US being the only place with the goods AND the welcome mat out. Continue to piss on that welcome mat and it will only force our hand.

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  • CK–I ain’t part of anyone’s “we”.

    Fourth: “So, it’s too late to worry about Spencer and Taylor.” –I’m not “worried” per se, but it’s certainly not too late. Charles Murray has a hit page at the SPLC; he’s still not associated with the alt right.

    BTW, all these people presuming to lecture me on what it means to be someone like me: I’ve remained largely anonymous despite a growing (but still small) twitter presence. I’m followed by a fair number of media folk and policy wonks. Go find a grandma and teach her eggsucking.

    One of the anonymii: As I wrote here, there are three regions of distinct thought. The official representatives of the alt right (Taylor, Spence) are in one. I *think* the idiots doing Pepe and the Nazi stuff is the second–that is, they’re just unhappy and enjoy engaging in stupid things. People like me (and Steve) in the third region will have to wait it out and see how this all plays. TA Frank’s excellent article also goes through those regions.

    I write about how the facts play out in education. I rarely talk about political objectives per se. But to the extent I have them, they don’t involve ethno segregation and Nazi memes.

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  • @Harry Baldwin
    Obama misuses words too, despite being the smartest man ever. Some Obama errors I recall:

    He frequently says "enormity" when he means "enormousness," as in his inaugural address.

    He said his daughters were "nonplussed" by the attention of the press when he meant unfazed.

    He said “Let me recant” when he meant “Let me reiterate.”

    He said "fulsome accounting" when he meant full accounting.

    “Corpse”-man will follow him forever.

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  • Milo should be purged in favor of Kevin MacDonald due to the fact that Milo has non-deplorable qualities like being gay and Jewish. MacDonald, however, has no redeeming qualities. Also, Pepe should be placed immediately to the left of Mr. Trump.

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  • @bomag

    Any person could be a... Investing significant energy into ensuring that...
     
    Not just any person can be xyz. There are patterns, and we use those patterns to craft a better public life.

    You don't want to invest significant energy; how about investing a modest amount of energy?

    You are going full libertarian here: why have any mandates to wear clothes, or any strictures on public modesty? Why even have walls on the bathrooms? So now we have a discussion on the predatory nature of men towards women, and living with the perverts/criminals amongst us, and where to draw lines.

    If I were a sexual predator, a public toilet would probably not be a place where I would choose to prey. And if it was, and I didn’t want to prey on a male, and I was not an actual woman, I think I could make myself into a pretty convincing looking woman.

    Maybe you are inadvertently revealing your own desires.

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  • @Anonymous
    When I was quite young, during the race riots of 1967, I had a dream in which there was a civil war between blacks and whites in America. This was very strange because I was too young to really understand what was going on and bore no particular animus towards black people; in other words, my dream was not motivated by "hate". It just was.

    This was a very powerful dream and I can recall the feeling yet. I believe I was picking up on the hatred that black people have towards white people and white civilization. This seething rage lies just below the surface of daily life and is exemplified in "the knockout game". Just how shallow is the veneer of black civility is seen in how little provocation it takes to set them off in an orgy of looting and rioting e.g. Ferguson.

    Frankly, I see little evidence of improvement in race relations. Black hatred is undiminished. It is rooted in envy and spite.

    Separation, whether through violence or peaceful divorce seems to be inevitable. Divorce would be preferable, but I don't see blacks as quietly going their own way as they are too dependent-- children really--and cannot survive without white support. How did one pundit put it? Something to the effect that "A black male combines the simplicity of a child with the passions and strength of a man." And the passions motivating too many blacks today is hatred and rage.

    I'm not a Christian man, but the notion of sin is useful. Sin is sin and we are warned from engaging in it because it is ultimately unproductive. Hatred and rage go nowhere. They don't produce useful results. They aren't the means to a new life for black people. They are forms of attachment and dependence. The hater needs his victim and so remains a victim of his own passions.

    Liberation Theology should begin with job-skill training. All the rest: Martin Luther King's preaching, Jesse Jackson's self promotion, Barack Obama's ballyhoo, is just rhetoric that keeps blacks helpless.

    Frankly, I see little evidence of improvement in race relations.

    You are carrying the assumption that those in power want better relations. It looks to me like many are fine with the current status: Blacks and their handlers control the streets; they are catered by the media, academia, and other institutions; the welfare state is pulling them along and fostering a leisure class. Not that bad of a deal; why mess with it?

    Human society is a series of adversarial relationships. Employer – employee is adversarial in many ways; child – parent, same thing. Boyfriend – girlfriend, landlord – tenant, etc; all the way down the line. You are not going to see the races in total embracement singing Kumbaya, ever.

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  • @PiltdownMan

    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.
     
    Agreed.

    But if truth be told, the reality since, say, 1880 is that the vast majority of immigration into America has been by those seeking a higher standard of living, and not by those seeking to escape oppressive social arrangements or political persecution.

    If our immigration policy was actually consistent with the motivations of the Pilgrims and later founders, much of the modern immigration into America would consist of Chinese dissidents, Yazidis, Ismailis and Bohras trying to escape the bullets of Jihadis, and so on. And Israel would be largely empty, because we would have admitted much of European Jewry before WWII.

    This is only true if you view the Pilgrims as our founders.

    I don’t. I view Jamestown as the start of America, and other than a sprinkling of Huguenots who found a home around there, it was not settled by people looking to escape “boot stomping.” (The Puritans weren’t really getting stomped on back in England anyhow)

    America was founded by people looking for adventure and for profit. And yes, a chance at a higher standard of living (which often didn’t pan out)

    We don’t have to measure up to moralistic origin myths to be a worthy country. The reasons America was founded should have absolutely no bearing on current immigration (or any) policy. In the past we were empty, for now we are pretty full….simple as that.

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  • @AndrewR
    Any person could be a homosexual, a pedophile, a sexual predator or any combination thereof. Investing significant energy into ensuring that your female loved ones never have to pee in the same room as a penised person is pretty stupid. Find another hill to die on, son.

    Any person could be a… Investing significant energy into ensuring that…

    Not just any person can be xyz. There are patterns, and we use those patterns to craft a better public life.

    You don’t want to invest significant energy; how about investing a modest amount of energy?

    You are going full libertarian here: why have any mandates to wear clothes, or any strictures on public modesty? Why even have walls on the bathrooms? So now we have a discussion on the predatory nature of men towards women, and living with the perverts/criminals amongst us, and where to draw lines.

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    If I were a sexual predator, a public toilet would probably not be a place where I would choose to prey. And if it was, and I didn't want to prey on a male, and I was not an actual woman, I think I could make myself into a pretty convincing looking woman.

    Maybe you are inadvertently revealing your own desires.

    , @Jefferson
    "You are going full libertarian here: why have any mandates to wear clothes, or any strictures on public modesty? Why even have walls on the bathrooms? So now we have a discussion on the predatory nature of men towards women, and living with the perverts/criminals amongst us, and where to draw lines."

    I remember during The Libertarian Party debate in Orlando which aired on C-SPAN, most Libertarians in the audience booed Gary Johnson when he said he does not favor abolishing driver's licenses. Most Libertarians believe the government should not get to decide who has the legal right to drive because it infringes on our civil liberties. Most Libertarians also booed Gary Johnson when he said polygamy marriage should remain illegal. Most Libertarians believe the government should not get to decide how many women a man can legally marry at the same time because it infringes on our civil liberties. Most Libertarians also booed Gary Johnson when he said private businesses should not have the legal right to refuse service to customers based on race, ethnicity, gender, religion, and or sexual orientation.


    I feel sorry for most Libertarian voters who will never get their perfect 100 percent ideologically pure Libertarian candidate. They have to settle with a LINO like Gary Johnson who is Libertarian lite.
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  • @Mr. Anon
    My understanding was that the regular, peace-time british army that went into combat in Flanders in 1914 suffered horrific casualties. The british army continued to suffer high casualties throughout the war - 20,000 on the first day of the Somme offensive alone. True, the german empire suffered more casualties, of course they were fighting three major powers on two fronts. The Kaiser died in his sleep in 1940.

    I believe my original point stands: the Kaiser fared better out of WWI than did those doughty tommies whose lives their own generals so callously squandered.

    Yes, leaders do tend to live longer than the cannon fodder. Funny how that works.

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  • From Variety: ... We're gonna need a bigger basket ... * I point out the "hateful" / "hate-filled" conundrum a lot, so I went back and listened closely to what Hillary told her fans. There are two quite different possibilities of things to say about Trump's tweets: - We deplore Trump'
  • Hilary neglected to say “anti-Semite” which is a little surprising given that she was speaking to her donors. Was that because she was a roll with the “phobes” or does the fact that Trump has a Jewish son-in-law absolve Trump supporters from this specific form of collective attack?

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    Hilary neglected to say “anti-Semite” which is a little surprising given that she was speaking to her donors. Was that because she was a roll with the “phobes” or does the fact that Trump has a Jewish son-in-law absolve Trump supporters from this specific form of collective attack?
     
    I dislike "anti-semite." It sounds like an insecticide. It feels like more of an active term. It makes me feel like attacking jews.

    "Jewiphobe" is more of a reactive term. It makes me feel like running away from jews.

    On the other hand, "Anti-Jew" feels like an admixture of the above. It makes me want to defend my house against jews.

    However, "Weinstein" makes me feel like I'm about to see a lot of blacks being unfairly abused, with no jews in sight.

    It's confusing.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MEH 0910
    Ta-Nehisi Coates pens his first piece in The Atlantic since July:

    Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn't Wrong About Trump's Supporters

    Coates says, in support of Hillary’s claims that Trumps supporters are “Islamophobic” (as she put it);

    “We know, for instance, some nearly 60 percent of Trump’s supporters hold “unfavorable views” of Islam, and 76 percent support a ban on Muslims entering the United States.”

    In what psychological dictionary does holding an “unfavorable view” make one phobic? And “a ban on [something] entering” is not allowing it to impinge upon one’s own space which is not at all the same thing as denying it the right to occupy it’s space. The former is prudence, the latter, intolerance.

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    • Replies: @BB753
    I'd like them to poll Muslims about their views on Christians. Could they possibly be "christophobic"?
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  • @Bernardista
    It's not a band, it's a 2016 nursery rhyme:

    A tisket , A tasket,
    A Green and Yellow Basket of Deplorables!

    “A tisket, a tasket” is getting a LOT of play.  I’ve seen a bunch of Hil-mockery on that theme.  The Website link on this comment is to the first of mine.

    When the insider accounts of Hil’s campaign are written, I suspect this is going to be recognized as the point where everyone saw it go from bad to hopeless.

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  • From Variety: ... We're gonna need a bigger basket ... * I point out the "hateful" / "hate-filled" conundrum a lot, so I went back and listened closely to what Hillary told her fans. There are two quite different possibilities of things to say about Trump's tweets: - We deplore Trump'
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Insightful comment. Please select a handle so we can keep an eye out for your posts.

    When I was quite young, during the race riots of 1967, I had a dream in which there was a civil war between blacks and whites in America. This was very strange because I was too young to really understand what was going on and bore no particular animus towards black people; in other words, my dream was not motivated by “hate”. It just was.

    This was a very powerful dream and I can recall the feeling yet. I believe I was picking up on the hatred that black people have towards white people and white civilization. This seething rage lies just below the surface of daily life and is exemplified in “the knockout game”. Just how shallow is the veneer of black civility is seen in how little provocation it takes to set them off in an orgy of looting and rioting e.g. Ferguson.

    Frankly, I see little evidence of improvement in race relations. Black hatred is undiminished. It is rooted in envy and spite.

    Separation, whether through violence or peaceful divorce seems to be inevitable. Divorce would be preferable, but I don’t see blacks as quietly going their own way as they are too dependent– children really–and cannot survive without white support. How did one pundit put it? Something to the effect that “A black male combines the simplicity of a child with the passions and strength of a man.” And the passions motivating too many blacks today is hatred and rage.

    I’m not a Christian man, but the notion of sin is useful. Sin is sin and we are warned from engaging in it because it is ultimately unproductive. Hatred and rage go nowhere. They don’t produce useful results. They aren’t the means to a new life for black people. They are forms of attachment and dependence. The hater needs his victim and so remains a victim of his own passions.

    Liberation Theology should begin with job-skill training. All the rest: Martin Luther King’s preaching, Jesse Jackson’s self promotion, Barack Obama’s ballyhoo, is just rhetoric that keeps blacks helpless.

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    • Replies: @bomag

    Frankly, I see little evidence of improvement in race relations.
     
    You are carrying the assumption that those in power want better relations. It looks to me like many are fine with the current status: Blacks and their handlers control the streets; they are catered by the media, academia, and other institutions; the welfare state is pulling them along and fostering a leisure class. Not that bad of a deal; why mess with it?

    Human society is a series of adversarial relationships. Employer - employee is adversarial in many ways; child - parent, same thing. Boyfriend - girlfriend, landlord - tenant, etc; all the way down the line. You are not going to see the races in total embracement singing Kumbaya, ever.
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  • @MEH 0910
    Ta-Nehisi Coates pens his first piece in The Atlantic since July:

    Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn't Wrong About Trump's Supporters

    Headzup for Steve!

    I think Ta-Nehisi Coates may have just created the best all purpose rhetorical catch-phrase ever:

    ___________ Was Politically Incorrect, but ____ Wasn’t Wrong About _________!

    And in other news,

    Black Lives… Are Delicious!

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/meet-teodoro-obiang-nguema-equatorial-8808273

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous
    "How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    Odd that a people and their culture can be dispossessed and swamped, apparently with glee and malice aforethought, and that it is not considered at least the moral equivalent of violence, isn't it? Is slow-and-low scale drip-drip violence okay?

    “Odd that a people and their culture can be dispossessed and swamped, apparently with glee and malice aforethought, and that it is not considered at least the moral equivalent of violence, isn’t it? Is slow-and-low scale drip-drip violence okay?”

    Odd too how a corporate raider could leverage a hostile takeover, lay off the workers at the local plant, use the accumulated savings in the company’s pension plan to fund further acquisitions, and just generally disrupt and destroy the continuity and fabric of social relations in a community and enjoy the protection of the Law throughout. If a disenfranchised, hapless workers were to throw a pie in the face of one of the ruthless wolves, they would be jailed for assault and maybe sued for what little they were still worth.

    And of course, the remaining workers are saddled with paying off the debt load incurred by the new owners in acquiring the plant, so a portion of their wages is literally dedicated to paying the interest on the money that the shysters borrowed to destroy the worker’s lives. Hey, it works for some people!

    So well in fact, that as a business model, the Wall Street Banks applied the same formula to the biggest plum of them all, the American home mortgage market. Only this time, the money wasn’t borrowed up front, it was provided by the final buyers of the bundled mortgages, the Icelandic Teacher Pensioners and so on. Taken as a whole, Wall Street owned the mortgages on roughly half of all American homes.

    They didn’t even need to buy our economy with “other people’s money”, the Fed printed–and is still printing–it for them, as Mike Whitney’s articles elaborate upon.

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  • - We deplore them because they are hateful. (I.e., We are full of hate toward Trump’s ideas.)

    Simple Definition of hateful

    : very bad or evil : causing or deserving hate

    : full of hate : showing hate

    via: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hateful

    As can be seen in Unz’s isteve section, quite a lot of Trump supporters really are deplorable. Doesn’t really mean that Clinton supporters are much better, though.

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  • @Verymuchalive
    Are We Not Men. No, We Are Deplo

    Probably better on one of your punk rock reminiscence postings, Mr Steve, but I couldn't resist.

    “Probably better on one of your punk rock reminiscence postings …”

    Devo was actually more New Wave or Synth-Pop.

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  • From Variety: ... We're gonna need a bigger basket ... * I point out the "hateful" / "hate-filled" conundrum a lot, so I went back and listened closely to what Hillary told her fans. There are two quite different possibilities of things to say about Trump's tweets: - We deplore Trump'
  • @Charles Erwin Wilson

    If our enemies are the standard of good, then we shall content ourselves with evil.
     
    Anyone who would count the dishonest Decepticons we face as good is evil.

    Don't concede the commanding heights of morality. But if you do, count me out. I won't sign on to "content himself with evil." Because, what profitith it a man ...

    sigh…

    “You’re such a pollyanna. I bet you kiss prostitutes.”
    - Director Avery Bullock

    Third citation… and counting.

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  • Ta-Nehisi Coates pens his first piece in The Atlantic since July:

    Hillary Clinton Was Politically Incorrect, but She Wasn’t Wrong About Trump’s Supporters

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Headzup for Steve!

    I think Ta-Nehisi Coates may have just created the best all purpose rhetorical catch-phrase ever:

    ___________ Was Politically Incorrect, but ____ Wasn’t Wrong About _________!

    And in other news,

    Black Lives... Are Delicious!

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/meet-teodoro-obiang-nguema-equatorial-8808273
    , @Anonymous
    Coates says, in support of Hillary's claims that Trumps supporters are "Islamophobic" (as she put it);

    "We know, for instance, some nearly 60 percent of Trump’s supporters hold “unfavorable views” of Islam, and 76 percent support a ban on Muslims entering the United States."

    In what psychological dictionary does holding an "unfavorable view" make one phobic? And "a ban on [something] entering" is not allowing it to impinge upon one's own space which is not at all the same thing as denying it the right to occupy it's space. The former is prudence, the latter, intolerance.
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  • @Eric Novak
    Xhamster has a whole section of cuckold videos submitted by "Tiny Duck". Tiny Duck's trolling of ISteve is just a real-life extension of his role fulfillment as a cuck.

    iSteve and xHamster…

    now there’s some interesting intersectionality!

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  • From Variety: ... We're gonna need a bigger basket ... * I point out the "hateful" / "hate-filled" conundrum a lot, so I went back and listened closely to what Hillary told her fans. There are two quite different possibilities of things to say about Trump's tweets: - We deplore Trump'
  • @bomag

    If you are the product of ________ and this country is a product of ________ please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more _________?”
     
    Yes, yes, a troll... but the thought process here. There is something magical about immigration that it Must Be Allowed Forever until we are extinct.

    What else makes sense in this sentence?:

    If you are the product of coal consumption and this country is a product of coal consumption please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more coal consumption?”

    If you are the product of racism and this country is a product of racism please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more racism?”

    If you are the product of imperialism and this country is a product of imperialism please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016…..”OK, no more imperialism?”

    Etc.

    There is something magical about immigration that it Must Be Allowed Forever until we are extinct.

    It’s not magical; it’s the law of the land, or have you never heard of the Zeroth Amendment to the Constitution?

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  • @Steve Sailer
    "Steve, you yourself were calling parts of the Alt-Right “Deplorable” in this very blog, just a few days ago."

    So Hillary reads iSteve?

    I honestly think she or someone on her staff might. Just yesterday I suggested on Steve’s Twitter that her big mistake was using the “half” proportion in her statement about deplorables and that’s exactly what she said today.

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  • @Charles Erwin Wilson

    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.
     
    Of course they are not. My point is that if your ancestors or you came or come here to raise your standard of living you are in the wrong place.

    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.

    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.

    Agreed.

    But if truth be told, the reality since, say, 1880 is that the vast majority of immigration into America has been by those seeking a higher standard of living, and not by those seeking to escape oppressive social arrangements or political persecution.

    If our immigration policy was actually consistent with the motivations of the Pilgrims and later founders, much of the modern immigration into America would consist of Chinese dissidents, Yazidis, Ismailis and Bohras trying to escape the bullets of Jihadis, and so on. And Israel would be largely empty, because we would have admitted much of European Jewry before WWII.

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    • Replies: @S. anonyia
    This is only true if you view the Pilgrims as our founders.

    I don't. I view Jamestown as the start of America, and other than a sprinkling of Huguenots who found a home around there, it was not settled by people looking to escape "boot stomping." (The Puritans weren't really getting stomped on back in England anyhow)

    America was founded by people looking for adventure and for profit. And yes, a chance at a higher standard of living (which often didn't pan out)

    We don't have to measure up to moralistic origin myths to be a worthy country. The reasons America was founded should have absolutely no bearing on current immigration (or any) policy. In the past we were empty, for now we are pretty full....simple as that.
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  • @iSteveFan
    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.

    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.

    I guess it was just logical for them to come to the country with the world’s highest standard of living and skip the rest. That is what, if fact, the majority of modern immigrants to America are doing.

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  • @Tiny Duck
    You know, the first thing were going to do when Mrs. Clinton wins is find ways to band you racists from society.

    How does it feel? Knowing your daughters will be the child bearers of Men of a Color and your sons will be servants?

    Look of Jrue Holiday

    Xhamster has a whole section of cuckold videos submitted by “Tiny Duck”. Tiny Duck’s trolling of ISteve is just a real-life extension of his role fulfillment as a cuck.

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    • Replies: @BenKenobi
    iSteve and xHamster...

    now there's some interesting intersectionality!
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  • @Desiderius

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?
     
    Would you attribute that higher standard of living to the Amerindian natives? Perhaps the years of thankless toil on the part of African-Americans?

    Have you not heard of the magic dirt?

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  • It’s not a band, it’s a 2016 nursery rhyme:

    A tisket , A tasket,
    A Green and Yellow Basket of Deplorables!

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    • Replies: @Mr. Rational
    "A tisket, a tasket" is getting a LOT of play.  I've seen a bunch of Hil-mockery on that theme.  The Website link on this comment is to the first of mine.

    When the insider accounts of Hil's campaign are written, I suspect this is going to be recognized as the point where everyone saw it go from bad to hopeless.
    , @Bernardista
    Nice!

    Isn't it difficult to determine exactly when things went pear shaped, though? I mean, she's shot herself in the foot so many times it's no wonder she has difficulty climbing stairs.
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  • From Variety: ... We're gonna need a bigger basket ... * I point out the "hateful" / "hate-filled" conundrum a lot, so I went back and listened closely to what Hillary told her fans. There are two quite different possibilities of things to say about Trump's tweets: - We deplore Trump'
  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    Odd that a people and their culture can be dispossessed and swamped, apparently with glee and malice aforethought, and that it is not considered at least the moral equivalent of violence, isn’t it? Is slow-and-low scale drip-drip violence okay?

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    "Odd that a people and their culture can be dispossessed and swamped, apparently with glee and malice aforethought, and that it is not considered at least the moral equivalent of violence, isn’t it? Is slow-and-low scale drip-drip violence okay?"

    Odd too how a corporate raider could leverage a hostile takeover, lay off the workers at the local plant, use the accumulated savings in the company's pension plan to fund further acquisitions, and just generally disrupt and destroy the continuity and fabric of social relations in a community and enjoy the protection of the Law throughout. If a disenfranchised, hapless workers were to throw a pie in the face of one of the ruthless wolves, they would be jailed for assault and maybe sued for what little they were still worth.

    And of course, the remaining workers are saddled with paying off the debt load incurred by the new owners in acquiring the plant, so a portion of their wages is literally dedicated to paying the interest on the money that the shysters borrowed to destroy the worker's lives. Hey, it works for some people!

    So well in fact, that as a business model, the Wall Street Banks applied the same formula to the biggest plum of them all, the American home mortgage market. Only this time, the money wasn't borrowed up front, it was provided by the final buyers of the bundled mortgages, the Icelandic Teacher Pensioners and so on. Taken as a whole, Wall Street owned the mortgages on roughly half of all American homes.

    They didn't even need to buy our economy with "other people's money", the Fed printed--and is still printing--it for them, as Mike Whitney's articles elaborate upon.
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  • @RudyM
    If I have some Southern European ancestry on my mother's side (and she did used to tan quite heavily without much effort) will I still be allowed in the all white utopia? How about my Eurasian niece?

    I feel more American than white. Certainly, culturally I am American. I am Northeast urban American, and therefore mixed, even if not racially mixed.

    To echo what others have said on this thread, it's one thing to be realistic (even race realistic) about crime statistics or to oppose illegal immigration. White separatism is another thing altogether.

    I don’t want to join any club that would have me as a member.

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  • @Jonathan Mason
    Basket of deplorables is a very odd phrase, and one suspects it must have been fed to her by one of her speechwriters.

    It is unusual to see deplorable used as a noun, but there might be some correlation with Les Miserables and in fact the word déplorable is probably more common in French than in English. In Spanish it translates as canasta de deplorables, but I have never heard the expression used in Spanish. However, one gets the feeling that this must be a translation from another language.

    Basket of deplorables is a very odd phrase, and one suspects it must have been fed to her by one of her speechwriters.

    There’s no instance of it in Google Ngram, and I suspect some speechwriter was trying a bit too hard to coin a memorable phrase.

    It’s a bit off though. A hint of the Marxian ‘dustbin of history’ but also very classist and aristocratic. And it is not quite grammatical and sounds a bit awkward—I think it will vanish without a trace.

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  • @Anonymous
    Reposting:

    Steve Bannon, David Clarke, Bruce Willis, Steve Sailer, Chuck Norris, Donald Trump, Nigel Farage, Mike Pence, Milo Yiannopoulos, Rare Tactical Pepe, Julian Assange.

    Bannon from Breitbart, Sheriff David Clarke is the Milwaukee Sheriff that Trump has had on stage with him and was a big deal during the Milwaukee riots. I included him because he resembles the black guy (Terry Crews?) I posted him over. I was going for funny and some credit where it's due. And, I wanted to get it done quick.

    With most of them I got the stoniest killer pics I could find. And with Steve, I did the best with the limited amount of pics available!

    BTW Thanks Steve for posting this, glad you liked!

    Bravo! add Ann C. for diversity’s sake…and, well, she looks the part for Hollywood. Hot blondes are still hot blondes after the election.

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  • @The most deplorable one
    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.

    In my experience, Chinese and Indians are far more docile, on average, and if you raise their living standards they can accept quite a bit of subservience, on average.

    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.

    Of course they are not. My point is that if your ancestors or you came or come here to raise your standard of living you are in the wrong place.

    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.

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    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.
     
    Agreed.

    But if truth be told, the reality since, say, 1880 is that the vast majority of immigration into America has been by those seeking a higher standard of living, and not by those seeking to escape oppressive social arrangements or political persecution.

    If our immigration policy was actually consistent with the motivations of the Pilgrims and later founders, much of the modern immigration into America would consist of Chinese dissidents, Yazidis, Ismailis and Bohras trying to escape the bullets of Jihadis, and so on. And Israel would be largely empty, because we would have admitted much of European Jewry before WWII.
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  • @TangoMan
    “all hell breaks loose” We can only dream.

    When people have much to lose they refrain from rebelling. When a people are dispossessed from their land, the incentive to rebel increases. Usually those on the bottom, with nothing to lose are the ones on the front line. The question is whether they will be smart with their targeting (Breivik) or dumb (random looting and rioting and bombing).

    When people have much to lose they refrain from rebelling

    Not so. Our founders had much to lose. And some lost all. But they rebelled nonetheless.

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  • @BenKenobi
    I've said it before, and I guarantee I will say it again:

    If our enemies are the standard of good, then we shall content ourselves with evil.

    The die is cast, the game is afoot.

    What a time to be alive.

    If our enemies are the standard of good, then we shall content ourselves with evil.

    Anyone who would count the dishonest Decepticons we face as good is evil.

    Don’t concede the commanding heights of morality. But if you do, count me out. I won’t sign on to “content himself with evil.” Because, what profitith it a man

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    sigh...

    "You're such a pollyanna. I bet you kiss prostitutes."
    - Director Avery Bullock

    Third citation... and counting.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u-HCHCuHMg
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  • @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.

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    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.

     
    I guess it was just logical for them to come to the country with the world's highest standard of living and skip the rest. That is what, if fact, the majority of modern immigrants to America are doing.
    , @Jefferson
    "Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit."

    And many Europeans came here to America to escape poverty. Do you think Ireland for example was a 1st world nation with an extremely high standard of living during the potato famine?
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  • The most deplorable one [AKA "The Fourth Political Theory"] says:
    @Charles Erwin Wilson

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?
     
    No, they came here to escape the boot stomping on their faces. Raise someone's standard of living as high as you like, but if it comes with subservience people will escape, if possible. And the core of the liberal agenda is imposing subservience.

    The founders did not declare independence to raise their standard of living. They were already wealthier than anyone could have foreseen a century before and wealthier than the Brits themselves.

    If you don't understand this you are part of the problem, not the solution.

    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.

    In my experience, Chinese and Indians are far more docile, on average, and if you raise their living standards they can accept quite a bit of subservience, on average.

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    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.
     
    Of course they are not. My point is that if your ancestors or you came or come here to raise your standard of living you are in the wrong place.

    Raising the standard of living was not the reason America was founded, and had nothing to do with why America is great. Escaping the boot stomping is why America was founded.
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  • @Anonymous
    "all hell breaks loose" We can only dream.

    The point of turning whites into a minority in this country is to make just such an outcome unlikely. As a minority, whites would be the common enemy of all the "oppressed" and will be too afraid to stand up for themselves. Already young white men cower because they believe they are impotent, having seen nothing on their televisions but black athletes beat down white guys for the last thirty years. And now with the expunging from the historical record of heroes such as Washington and Jefferson, we're undergoing a revolutionary change like that heralded by pulling down the statues of Saddam Hussein.

    Do any of our recent immigrants from south of the border know who John Paul Jones was? Do they care? Of course not. But they know who Pancho Vila was. They're not Americans now and have no intention of ever becoming Americans.

    Insightful comment. Please select a handle so we can keep an eye out for your posts.

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    When I was quite young, during the race riots of 1967, I had a dream in which there was a civil war between blacks and whites in America. This was very strange because I was too young to really understand what was going on and bore no particular animus towards black people; in other words, my dream was not motivated by "hate". It just was.

    This was a very powerful dream and I can recall the feeling yet. I believe I was picking up on the hatred that black people have towards white people and white civilization. This seething rage lies just below the surface of daily life and is exemplified in "the knockout game". Just how shallow is the veneer of black civility is seen in how little provocation it takes to set them off in an orgy of looting and rioting e.g. Ferguson.

    Frankly, I see little evidence of improvement in race relations. Black hatred is undiminished. It is rooted in envy and spite.

    Separation, whether through violence or peaceful divorce seems to be inevitable. Divorce would be preferable, but I don't see blacks as quietly going their own way as they are too dependent-- children really--and cannot survive without white support. How did one pundit put it? Something to the effect that "A black male combines the simplicity of a child with the passions and strength of a man." And the passions motivating too many blacks today is hatred and rage.

    I'm not a Christian man, but the notion of sin is useful. Sin is sin and we are warned from engaging in it because it is ultimately unproductive. Hatred and rage go nowhere. They don't produce useful results. They aren't the means to a new life for black people. They are forms of attachment and dependence. The hater needs his victim and so remains a victim of his own passions.

    Liberation Theology should begin with job-skill training. All the rest: Martin Luther King's preaching, Jesse Jackson's self promotion, Barack Obama's ballyhoo, is just rhetoric that keeps blacks helpless.
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  • Submitted by edmund_barton. If you have a Reddit account you can upvote it there. From Twitter: Ain't I a Deplorable?
  • @Pat Casey
    Steve, this is a prayer for you. I'm praying that you not get carried away with the punk-rock conception of this thing people look to you to lead, in your own clever way of leading. A long time ago you said to me to the effect that, unlike Shaw, Chesterton used his talents for good. And that felt good to hear at the time, like it was a reminder to me to remember what being good means. Look my man, I know this stuff is real, I already told my tale next door about the grim reaper. Words Matter. They can become incantations unwittingly--- with some. What I didn't say then, when I told about when I summoned that apparition, is exactly how sublime that thing appeared to me when it did. My initial response, if you can call it that, was: of course I want that thing on my side. Thank God for the sacrament of confession and all the Irish priests is all I can say. Point: Don't revel too much in being a deplorable man to anybody. I mean, don't let the famous Steve Sailer Sarcasm get the best of you, your soul. That's my prayer for you.

    Tomorrow's a big terrible day of an anniversary. And I'm still daring to hope. We need a good speech out of our candidate. I suspect that would best be proceeded by good thoughts from a talented ghost writer of writer.

    I’ll admit, I’m curious. You summoned what apparition?

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  • @Jus' Sayin'...
    "Ellipses ... can also be used to signal hesitation ..." from the "St. Martin;s Handbook" page 478.

    The "New Fowler's Modern English Usage, 3rd Edition" specifically accepts their usage by American writers in the manner used by Steve Sailer here, although -as is typical with Fowler - frowns upon the American practice. See the discussion of ellipses, pages 244-246 with an emphasis on (6) in the discussion.

    The only thing more annoying than a knee-biting grammar Nazi is an ignorant, knee-biting grammar Nazi, who makes up rules in furtherance of a misguided attempt to demonstrete his wholly self-imagined superiority.

    Does Demonstrete intersect the 4-Space corner of Wall Street, Main Street, and Sepulveda and Martin Luther King Boulevards?

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  • @Whiskey
    Iceland is just about the most feminist, female run country in the world. No wonder they are importing Diversity. Mass Third World Immigration is the way for Nice White Ladies and their younger cohorts to drown their male peers in a sea of the Third World.

    No wonder Hillary! said what she says. She HATES HATE HATES most White men, and big surprise, that is EXACTLY how most of her female peers feel.

    Delayed birth rates have consequences. A woman with a few kids by her mate has skin in the game, the way a carousel riding hag in her late thirties or older does not. Diversity, why not? Black men are notoriously tolerant of fatties than other men. And the Diverse are not afflicted with higher IQ, which is almost uniformly repellent to women unless it is yoked to a relentless drive for social domination. Mark Zuckerberg, a truly repellent human being, but one very powerful, had to settle for his fat Chinese girlfriend from Freshman year at College. The dog that didn't bark was the total lack of gold-diggers around him unlike those around say, your average Rap star, NBA athlete, Joe Francis of Girls Gone Wild, or other low-rent sleazebags worth a tiny fraction of Zuckerberg money and real power, but with far greater personal social domination.

    Every haggard old Witch Hillary! knows, and her (allegedly) lesbian girlfriend Huma is the same way, hates hates hates their men, whom they married late, in settling desperation, and are not really desired by other women. IF you had every Nice White Lady and their daughters paired up with say, Ryan Reynolds this country would be nearly 100% White and the Nice White Ladies would be working on the remaining 1% being moved out somewhere.

    As far as White Identity and Nationalism and fighting, that's already baked in the cake. It is inevitable as WWI and WWII were. White men have nothing to lose, and have many examples -- Israel, Ireland, of national identity based on race and religion to focus on. This country is filling up with half of the Third World, no longer just Mexicans but mostly Africans and Muslims who are totally dysfunctional and depend on massive amounts of money transfered. The future is every White man slaving away in pure poverty to support half a billion Muslims and Africans lounging around engaging in various violent acts.

    So violent conflict is coming, its a matter of money, numbers, and no opportunities for any non-elite, non-connected White man. This was baked in the cake with the 1920 granting of the right to vote to women and the massive growth in time women spend single and playing the carousel after the 1960s with birth control, the condom, and rising income making it all possible.

    “IF you had every Nice White Lady and their daughters paired up with say, Ryan Reynolds this country would be nearly 100% White and the Nice White Ladies would be working on the remaining 1% being moved out somewhere.”

    America was never nearly 100 percent White even before the 1965 immigration act. You forgot the 800 pound gorilla in the room called African Americans.

    “Diversity, why not? Black men are notoriously tolerant of fatties than other men.”

    If you go to the South you see plenty of lower working class White guys with obese cows for wives and girlfriends. The South has the highest obesity rate in the country and that applies to Whites in that region as well, not just Blacks.

    White guys who do not earn a decent living can not afford to be as extremely picky when it comes to women’s physical appearance, unless they themselves are above average in the looks department.

    But a poor White trash version of Larry The Cable Guy is not going to attract women who look like Cara Delevingne and Rosie Huntington Whiteley. They are going to atract White trash versions of obese cows like Melissa McCarthy and Rebel Wilson.

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  • @Anonymous
    "all hell breaks loose" We can only dream.

    The point of turning whites into a minority in this country is to make just such an outcome unlikely. As a minority, whites would be the common enemy of all the "oppressed" and will be too afraid to stand up for themselves. Already young white men cower because they believe they are impotent, having seen nothing on their televisions but black athletes beat down white guys for the last thirty years. And now with the expunging from the historical record of heroes such as Washington and Jefferson, we're undergoing a revolutionary change like that heralded by pulling down the statues of Saddam Hussein.

    Do any of our recent immigrants from south of the border know who John Paul Jones was? Do they care? Of course not. But they know who Pancho Vila was. They're not Americans now and have no intention of ever becoming Americans.

    “all hell breaks loose” We can only dream.

    When people have much to lose they refrain from rebelling. When a people are dispossessed from their land, the incentive to rebel increases. Usually those on the bottom, with nothing to lose are the ones on the front line. The question is whether they will be smart with their targeting (Breivik) or dumb (random looting and rioting and bombing).

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    When people have much to lose they refrain from rebelling
     
    Not so. Our founders had much to lose. And some lost all. But they rebelled nonetheless.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @TangoMan
    There are a few routes that can square the circle.

    A Millet System. The US taxes in order to provide for the General Welfare and then taxes communities to provide social services for those communities. Indians pay taxes to give welfare to Indians, Mexicans to Mexicans, etc and the resulting inequality in benefits and differential tax rates must be accepted. Schools, universities, hospitals, etc all serve their own specific communities.

    Essentially we get multiple communities coinhabiting the same country but with discrimination legalized, everyone is in their own little country. You see diversity on the street but in the businesses and neighborhoods you find "safe zones."

    Another alternative is minority acceptance of differential immigration in order to rebalance the demography of the US.

    Another alternative is a SuperFund like the Resolution Trust Corp. which buys up properties for people involved in a Big Sort and as we move people around in the US, we rebalance demography by state.

    Another alternative, similar to differential immigration, is differential birth incentives. Again, this takes time, but bigger baby bonuses for whites and none for minorities, ends up boosting white demographics.

    The key concern that I believe underlies what is going on is ratio, not total number. Get whites back up to 80% or higher and the concerns go away or at least become very manageable.

    Another alternative is like what France did with Emigration Bonuses - pay people to leave. The small communities are not the existential threat, it's the large ones, like Africans and Mestizos who are transforming America. Muslims are in their own category.

    You noted that whatever efforts are taken will harm various minorities but the flipside is that the entire anti-discrimination/pro-diversity schema is harming whites, dispossessing them in the society that their ancestors built for them. Right now some Ivies are under threat of suit by Asian groups in order to boost Asian admission rates. Admission is a zero-sum game. Gentile Whites are already the least represented group on campuses built by their ancestors. The Asian groups smartly don't advocate that any particular group be reduced in order to make way for their disproportional gain, probably because they assume that the group who must give way for them is to be Gentile White. This is present-day harm to Whites.

    Eliminate this entire racial spoils system and we reduce a lot of the tension. If government-backed desegregation was bad back in the 50s, government-backed integration is the flip-side of the very same coin, also bad. Government has no business in pushing integration.

    All that said though, I don't see how we can go from Point A, present-day, to any Point-B. The more likely scenario is to tighten the screws, let the pressure build as the existing system continues to be exploited by those who benefit from the racial spoils system, and eventually the pressure can't be contained and all hell breaks loose.

    “all hell breaks loose” We can only dream.

    The point of turning whites into a minority in this country is to make just such an outcome unlikely. As a minority, whites would be the common enemy of all the “oppressed” and will be too afraid to stand up for themselves. Already young white men cower because they believe they are impotent, having seen nothing on their televisions but black athletes beat down white guys for the last thirty years. And now with the expunging from the historical record of heroes such as Washington and Jefferson, we’re undergoing a revolutionary change like that heralded by pulling down the statues of Saddam Hussein.

    Do any of our recent immigrants from south of the border know who John Paul Jones was? Do they care? Of course not. But they know who Pancho Vila was. They’re not Americans now and have no intention of ever becoming Americans.

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    “all hell breaks loose” We can only dream.

    When people have much to lose they refrain from rebelling. When a people are dispossessed from their land, the incentive to rebel increases. Usually those on the bottom, with nothing to lose are the ones on the front line. The question is whether they will be smart with their targeting (Breivik) or dumb (random looting and rioting and bombing).
    , @Anonymous
    Insightful comment. Please select a handle so we can keep an eye out for your posts.
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  • @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    No, they came here to escape the boot stomping on their faces. Raise someone’s standard of living as high as you like, but if it comes with subservience people will escape, if possible. And the core of the liberal agenda is imposing subservience.

    The founders did not declare independence to raise their standard of living. They were already wealthier than anyone could have foreseen a century before and wealthier than the Brits themselves.

    If you don’t understand this you are part of the problem, not the solution.

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    Actually, I think you are making the mistake of assuming that all peoples are like Northern Europeans.

    They are not.

    In my experience, Chinese and Indians are far more docile, on average, and if you raise their living standards they can accept quite a bit of subservience, on average.
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  • @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

    Why the caveat that immigration restriction must be “race neutral”?

    Please respond and explain.

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  • The most deplorable one [AKA "The Fourth Political Theory"] says:
    @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    Why did your parents deprive India of the incremental higher standard of living they could have provided?

    Pretty selfish of them, don’t you think?

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  • @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    In your opinion, why was there a higher standard of living available to your parents in the United States than in India?

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  • @IFR1200
    The White man isn't done for yet.

    Without him, nothing gets done, and everyone with power , white, male or not, knows it.

    I see the hard remnant forming, slowly, every day. You just have to know what to look for. Hillary and Obama and their ilk are the best recruiters imaginable. Trump, if elected, will put the process on slow for a while, but it is already too late to stop it.

    There will be some ugly things happening. How ugly depends on a lot, but the breakup of the American/Global Empire is too far gone to stop. When it goes, there will be massive reorderings worldwide.

    Without him, nothing gets done, and everyone with power , white, male or not, knows it.

    What about jews? Things get done under jews.

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    What about jews? Things get done under jews.
     
    This is true. Just add Muslims, and you get a hell of a lot of dead jews. Whites create a buffering effect for jewish annihilation. Kind of the way our mexicans create a buffer effect for black on white crime here.
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  • @Beliavsky
    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?

    Would you attribute that higher standard of living to the Amerindian natives? Perhaps the years of thankless toil on the part of African-Americans?

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    Have you not heard of the magic dirt?
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  • Submitted by edmund_barton. If you have a Reddit account you can upvote it there. From Twitter: Ain't I a Deplorable?
  • @Jonathan Mason
    Basket of deplorables is a very odd phrase, and one suspects it must have been fed to her by one of her speechwriters.

    It is unusual to see deplorable used as a noun, but there might be some correlation with Les Miserables and in fact the word déplorable is probably more common in French than in English. In Spanish it translates as canasta de deplorables, but I have never heard the expression used in Spanish. However, one gets the feeling that this must be a translation from another language.

    “Basket of deplorables is a very odd phrase, and one suspects it must have been fed to her by one of her speechwriters.”

    Perhaps through that ear-piece she’s been seen wearing.

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  • From Variety: ... We're gonna need a bigger basket ... * I point out the "hateful" / "hate-filled" conundrum a lot, so I went back and listened closely to what Hillary told her fans. There are two quite different possibilities of things to say about Trump's tweets: - We deplore Trump'
  • @Beliavsky
    "Is a White majority in the United States acceptable to you, Indian Guy?"

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

    There are a few routes that can square the circle.

    A Millet System. The US taxes in order to provide for the General Welfare and then taxes communities to provide social services for those communities. Indians pay taxes to give welfare to Indians, Mexicans to Mexicans, etc and the resulting inequality in benefits and differential tax rates must be accepted. Schools, universities, hospitals, etc all serve their own specific communities.

    Essentially we get multiple communities coinhabiting the same country but with discrimination legalized, everyone is in their own little country. You see diversity on the street but in the businesses and neighborhoods you find “safe zones.”

    Another alternative is minority acceptance of differential immigration in order to rebalance the demography of the US.

    Another alternative is a SuperFund like the Resolution Trust Corp. which buys up properties for people involved in a Big Sort and as we move people around in the US, we rebalance demography by state.

    Another alternative, similar to differential immigration, is differential birth incentives. Again, this takes time, but bigger baby bonuses for whites and none for minorities, ends up boosting white demographics.

    The key concern that I believe underlies what is going on is ratio, not total number. Get whites back up to 80% or higher and the concerns go away or at least become very manageable.

    Another alternative is like what France did with Emigration Bonuses – pay people to leave. The small communities are not the existential threat, it’s the large ones, like Africans and Mestizos who are transforming America. Muslims are in their own category.

    You noted that whatever efforts are taken will harm various minorities but the flipside is that the entire anti-discrimination/pro-diversity schema is harming whites, dispossessing them in the society that their ancestors built for them. Right now some Ivies are under threat of suit by Asian groups in order to boost Asian admission rates. Admission is a zero-sum game. Gentile Whites are already the least represented group on campuses built by their ancestors. The Asian groups smartly don’t advocate that any particular group be reduced in order to make way for their disproportional gain, probably because they assume that the group who must give way for them is to be Gentile White. This is present-day harm to Whites.

    Eliminate this entire racial spoils system and we reduce a lot of the tension. If government-backed desegregation was bad back in the 50s, government-backed integration is the flip-side of the very same coin, also bad. Government has no business in pushing integration.

    All that said though, I don’t see how we can go from Point A, present-day, to any Point-B. The more likely scenario is to tighten the screws, let the pressure build as the existing system continues to be exploited by those who benefit from the racial spoils system, and eventually the pressure can’t be contained and all hell breaks loose.

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    "all hell breaks loose" We can only dream.

    The point of turning whites into a minority in this country is to make just such an outcome unlikely. As a minority, whites would be the common enemy of all the "oppressed" and will be too afraid to stand up for themselves. Already young white men cower because they believe they are impotent, having seen nothing on their televisions but black athletes beat down white guys for the last thirty years. And now with the expunging from the historical record of heroes such as Washington and Jefferson, we're undergoing a revolutionary change like that heralded by pulling down the statues of Saddam Hussein.

    Do any of our recent immigrants from south of the border know who John Paul Jones was? Do they care? Of course not. But they know who Pancho Vila was. They're not Americans now and have no intention of ever becoming Americans.
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  • Submitted by edmund_barton. If you have a Reddit account you can upvote it there. From Twitter: Ain't I a Deplorable?
  • You should be exultant, Trumpistas. Hillary’s gaffe was an enormous piece of stupidity.

    But why do you follow the msm in focusing on deplorable. The key to why Hillary might go down with this election-losing comment is irredeemable. It’s highly politically incorrect in America to say anyone is beyond redemption. [The doctrine of universal redeemability even got the serial liar Stephen R. Glass an initial pass by the Cal. State Bar – http://kanbaroo.blogspot.com/2011/12/93rd-installment-now-its-judge-honns.html

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    Because "deplorable" is for all White folks. It takes a lifetime of effort and special achievement, like landing a spacecraft on an asteroid or getting a quantum computer to work, to merit Irredeemable.
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  • The most deplorable one [AKA "The Fourth Political Theory"] says:

    The Dependsables?

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  • Last year Warner Bros Animation released 26 new Bugs Bunny shorts that were basically faithful to the original and as well made, (at least the first two of the season that I watched.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabbit_%28TV_series%29

    My favorite cartoon when I was about 8 was this obscure Japanese cartoon from 1983 about a Spanish boy’s adventures in the New World in the 1530′s. I had to wake up early to watch, it aired weekday mornings on Nickelodeon at 5:30am. It was really that good! Action and adventure in every episode, a young protagonist, and quasi-historical. We won’t see another cartoon like this going forward with Spanish explorer heroes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mysterious_Cities_of_Gold

    Here’s a random episode plot:

    Mendoza uses his skills as an expert navigator to pilot the Esperanza through the treacherous Straits of Magellan, during which Esteban overhears a plot by Gaspard and Gomez to dispose of Mendoza once they’ve cleared the straits. Once the ship is through to the Pacific Ocean, Gaspard challenges Mendoza to a duel, but the ship suddenly encounters a typhoon and Captain Perez pleads for Mendoza to save the ship.

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  • Basket of deplorables is a very odd phrase, and one suspects it must have been fed to her by one of her speechwriters.

    It is unusual to see deplorable used as a noun, but there might be some correlation with Les Miserables and in fact the word déplorable is probably more common in French than in English. In Spanish it translates as canasta de deplorables, but I have never heard the expression used in Spanish. However, one gets the feeling that this must be a translation from another language.

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    "Basket of deplorables is a very odd phrase, and one suspects it must have been fed to her by one of her speechwriters."

    Perhaps through that ear-piece she's been seen wearing.
    , @PiltdownMan

    Basket of deplorables is a very odd phrase, and one suspects it must have been fed to her by one of her speechwriters.
     
    There's no instance of it in Google Ngram, and I suspect some speechwriter was trying a bit too hard to coin a memorable phrase.

    It's a bit off though. A hint of the Marxian 'dustbin of history' but also very classist and aristocratic. And it is not quite grammatical and sounds a bit awkward—I think it will vanish without a trace.

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  • From Variety: ... We're gonna need a bigger basket ... * I point out the "hateful" / "hate-filled" conundrum a lot, so I went back and listened closely to what Hillary told her fans. There are two quite different possibilities of things to say about Trump's tweets: - We deplore Trump'
  • @countenance
    Note that She said this to an assemblage of donors at an event in Manhattan.

    This is her Romney 47% moment. That was also in front of donors. Though the difference is that 47% was defensible, even though it wasn't well defended. This isn't.

    It sounds terrible to us, but that’s because we are the deplorables! Yes, us!

    The non-deplorables among Trump’s support are his hard won new, tentative supporters, including a lot of blacks and hispanics. Hillary is giving them an opportunity to feel superior to us and even to virtue-signal by leaving us and going to her. That’s the plan. That is why she said it publicly here, publicly on Israeli TV, she actually wanted to plant the idea in the public.

    This one deserves direct pushback from us, exactly when we want to dismiss it as a mistake. Because we need those hard-won new supporters and more like them. We need to ask them to stay. It’s beneath us to prove our worth, but at this moment (just this moment) we have to do it.

    We have to stay positive and be humble. 2 months to go. Stay Positive!

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  • By supporters of Trump who are “merely” deplorable, Hillary must mean those supporters who are neither republicans nor members of the NRA. She has stated that members of those organizations are her enemies.

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  • @Auntie Analogue
    All she has is name-calling, which is all the Left has ever had. Leftists make up names and, like toddlers in their terrible-twos, repeat them monotonously to the beat of their ever-wagging fingers. It's what makes Left-lib-progs the insufferable schmucks that they are.

    All she has is name-calling, which is all the Left has ever had. Leftists make up names and, like toddlers in their terrible-twos, repeat them monotonously to the beat of their ever-wagging fingers

    Brainwashing the sheeple via repetition. Crude, stupid and effective sometimes. Until the sheeple get pissed off at having their intelligence insulted.

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  • Three words that decide elections:

    “Read my lips”

    “Forty seven percent”

    “Basket of deplorables”

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  • @Whiskey
    Iceland is just about the most feminist, female run country in the world. No wonder they are importing Diversity. Mass Third World Immigration is the way for Nice White Ladies and their younger cohorts to drown their male peers in a sea of the Third World.

    No wonder Hillary! said what she says. She HATES HATE HATES most White men, and big surprise, that is EXACTLY how most of her female peers feel.

    Delayed birth rates have consequences. A woman with a few kids by her mate has skin in the game, the way a carousel riding hag in her late thirties or older does not. Diversity, why not? Black men are notoriously tolerant of fatties than other men. And the Diverse are not afflicted with higher IQ, which is almost uniformly repellent to women unless it is yoked to a relentless drive for social domination. Mark Zuckerberg, a truly repellent human being, but one very powerful, had to settle for his fat Chinese girlfriend from Freshman year at College. The dog that didn't bark was the total lack of gold-diggers around him unlike those around say, your average Rap star, NBA athlete, Joe Francis of Girls Gone Wild, or other low-rent sleazebags worth a tiny fraction of Zuckerberg money and real power, but with far greater personal social domination.

    Every haggard old Witch Hillary! knows, and her (allegedly) lesbian girlfriend Huma is the same way, hates hates hates their men, whom they married late, in settling desperation, and are not really desired by other women. IF you had every Nice White Lady and their daughters paired up with say, Ryan Reynolds this country would be nearly 100% White and the Nice White Ladies would be working on the remaining 1% being moved out somewhere.

    As far as White Identity and Nationalism and fighting, that's already baked in the cake. It is inevitable as WWI and WWII were. White men have nothing to lose, and have many examples -- Israel, Ireland, of national identity based on race and religion to focus on. This country is filling up with half of the Third World, no longer just Mexicans but mostly Africans and Muslims who are totally dysfunctional and depend on massive amounts of money transfered. The future is every White man slaving away in pure poverty to support half a billion Muslims and Africans lounging around engaging in various violent acts.

    So violent conflict is coming, its a matter of money, numbers, and no opportunities for any non-elite, non-connected White man. This was baked in the cake with the 1920 granting of the right to vote to women and the massive growth in time women spend single and playing the carousel after the 1960s with birth control, the condom, and rising income making it all possible.

    The White man isn’t done for yet.

    Without him, nothing gets done, and everyone with power , white, male or not, knows it.

    I see the hard remnant forming, slowly, every day. You just have to know what to look for. Hillary and Obama and their ilk are the best recruiters imaginable. Trump, if elected, will put the process on slow for a while, but it is already too late to stop it.

    There will be some ugly things happening. How ugly depends on a lot, but the breakup of the American/Global Empire is too far gone to stop. When it goes, there will be massive reorderings worldwide.

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    Without him, nothing gets done, and everyone with power , white, male or not, knows it.

    What about jews? Things get done under jews.
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  • @Broski
    I like Pepe. It's funny that the left has to discuss Pepe as a dangerous new right wing symbol.

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  • @Whiskey
    The professionals in the BEF were mostly wiped out, almost to a man, in Belgium. However, the stopped the Germans long enough, that the French were able to rally, and prevent the Von Schlieffen Plan from working out. The Germans under Von Moltke were not able to swing around and envelop the French forces, and the use of Paris taxis to ferry troops to the front created the Miracle on the Marne.

    Of course, as a result it took about three years plus for the British to rebuild their professional army, so they could do things like coordinate artillery with advancing forces, move guns up silently in the night, zero the guns back from the front, things they were not able to do from say, October 1914 up through late 1916. By 1917 however they were no longer putting men in packed amounts in the front trenches, had defense in depth, etc.

    The Canadians were the ones who came up with advances in sound ranging and spot flashing, counter battery fire techniques that enabled allied advances.

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  • Richard Spencer is being very selfish by trying to share in the limelight of a nationalist uprising.

    And very short-sighted with respect to his own interests.

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  • @Flip
    1941 actually.

    And the war never got to German soil. They should have kept fighting but Ludendorff chickened out.

    Keep fighting? Don’t fall for that bs. At least they had enough freikorps left to beat back the spartacists.

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  • From Variety: ... We're gonna need a bigger basket ... * I point out the "hateful" / "hate-filled" conundrum a lot, so I went back and listened closely to what Hillary told her fans. There are two quite different possibilities of things to say about Trump's tweets: - We deplore Trump'
  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Proof that Hillary and her handlers lack evidence and rational support for their positions is demonstrated by the fact that they increasingly have to resort to name-calling as a stand-in for rational arguments. Name-calling towards wide swaths of the American public at that.

    I’m “deplorable”. Okay, what does that mean? You know nothing about me other than that I support Trump for President. What have I done that is deplorable?

    I’m “sexist, racist, etc.” Okay, what does that mean? You know nothing about me other than that I support Trump for President. What have I done that is sexist, racist, etc.? Should I even care about these words? They get hypocritically tossed around, and basically just mean anyone who disagrees with the person issuing them. It’s sexist and racist to support Trump for wanting to put the safety and welfare of Americans first in governmental policy and efforts. But not sexist and racist to make all manner of irrational hate claims about me and my ancestors for being male or being white.

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  • @Beliavsky
    "Is a White majority in the United States acceptable to you, Indian Guy?"

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

    Why the caveat that immigration restriction must be “race neutral”?

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  • @Charlie Rose
    If you are the product of immigrants and this country is a product of immigrants please explain how you have the iron balls to get to decide that in 2016....."OK, no more immigrants?"

    I'd be more concerned that your kids are being raised by a bigoted, bi-polar schizo, uneducated, politically illiterate, hysterical bitch conspiracy theorist.

    I must have been asleep when they passed the law making immigration to the US a right for all people from 3rd world countries.

    But make no mistake, if Hillary gets in it will only be a matter of time before activist judges grant non-US citizens of the world the right to SUE the US government if denied entry to the US.

    Black? Brown? Muslim? Gay? Transgender? A member of any imaginable victim group? Welcome to the US!

    White folks excepted, naturally.

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  • Earlier interview: Hillary uses the term grossly generalistic and then talks about a basket of deplorables. She seems more coherent in that interview. None of her ample staff pointed out how weird the fragment: ‘grossly generalistic’ is.

    I checked the online scrabble dictionary neither deplorables nor generalistic can be used in scrabble. OOPS! That’s not a valid word.

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  • @iSteveFan
    Isn't the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?

    “Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?”

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?

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    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?
     
    Would you attribute that higher standard of living to the Amerindian natives? Perhaps the years of thankless toil on the part of African-Americans?
    , @Anonymous
    In your opinion, why was there a higher standard of living available to your parents in the United States than in India?
    , @The most deplorable one
    Why did your parents deprive India of the incremental higher standard of living they could have provided?

    Pretty selfish of them, don't you think?
    , @Anonymous

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.
     
    Why the caveat that immigration restriction must be “race neutral”?

    Please respond and explain.
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    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn’t that the same reasons European immigrants came?
     
    No, they came here to escape the boot stomping on their faces. Raise someone's standard of living as high as you like, but if it comes with subservience people will escape, if possible. And the core of the liberal agenda is imposing subservience.

    The founders did not declare independence to raise their standard of living. They were already wealthier than anyone could have foreseen a century before and wealthier than the Brits themselves.

    If you don't understand this you are part of the problem, not the solution.
    , @iSteveFan
    Actually many Europeans came here for freedom. They came to be able to live their lives as they saw fit.

    If you parents wanted a higher standard of living, they could have gone to Mexico. They could have gone to Saudi Arabia or any other Gulf State. There are plenty of nations with a higher standard of living than India.
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    Switzerland is much closer to the subcontinent, Indian Guy. Can't do much better than that for a standard of living. That should have been their first stop. England should have been next on the list; it fits your criteria and it's already some sort of Desi sub-state.

    Admit to the US being the only place with the goods AND the welcome mat out. Continue to piss on that welcome mat and it will only force our hand.
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  • Another empty basket after our Last Summer of Recovery.

    Here comes Huma Cottontail, smuggling arms without a trail, hippity hop, what difference does it make? No one died in Libya, e-mails in oblivia, polls are rigged but Trump still ahead Today.

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  • @ShrillPoaster
    "Parade of Horribiles" dates back at least to Phyllis Schlafly's anti-ERA activism, and I have no reason to believe that the term is original with her. That's just the oldest place I remember seeing it.

    Attorneys have long referred to the parade of horribles in legal filings to describe all the despicable acts alleged to have been committed by the other party.

    Shmendrick bought a Yugo.
    Shlemazel registered as a Republican.
    Doe took his prom date to Hometown Buffet.
    Putznick took gym pass/no-pass.
    Scheissekopf wore brown shoes with a tuxedo.

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  • @Harry Baldwin
    Bryndis Bjorgvinsdottir, an author and professor in Iceland, called for more Syrian refugees, describing them as “our future spouses, best friends, or soulmates, the drummer for the band of our children, our next colleague, Miss Iceland in 2022, the carpenter who finally finished the bathroom, the cook in the cafeteria, the fireman, the computer genius, or the television host.”

    Bjorgvinsdottir is one of the most beautiful women imaginable, yet she enthusiastically envisions the extinction of her physical type. So sick. So sad.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/iceland/11835537/10000-Icelanders-offer-to-house-Syrian-refugees-after-authors-call.html

    One more reason women should have never been allowed to vote or hold public office.

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  • @Beliavsky
    I am a "race realist" who thinks there are racial differences in IQ. Average black American IQ is 85 Hispanic IQ is 90, and average IQ in India is in the 80s (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection). There are still parts of the "alt-right" I find deplorable. I have read the comments section of American Renaissance for some time. Many AR commenters want a "white homeland" in the U.S. where non-whites are excluded. How can that be achieved except through bloodshed? I think a country has the right to control its borders and deport those present illegally, but mass expulsion of legal residents based on race is genocidal.

    Here is what Jared Taylor, owner of AR, said in 2008 http://onepeoplesproject.com/index.php/en/rogues-gallery/archived-gallery/20-t/121-jared-taylor

    "If white people are to survive, they have to stop to stop playing lip service to this notion of equal outcomes. We have to be able to say to other groups, 'We wish you well, but you will have to seek your destiny in your own places. You will have to fashion your future in your own hands.' In that process of course, we will be denying to them the benefits of the societies our ancestors built. However, our ancestors built them for us, and we only hold them in trust for succeeding generations, and our societies are not ours to give away to strangers."

    How are non-whites going to be excluded from American society other than through whole-sale violence?

    (but the average IQ of Indian-Americans seems to be above 100 due to selection).

    Is it right to take high IQ, self-selected Indians while refusing to take in others? I don’t see how one can support that since taking away the high IQ Indians will harm the future prospects of India and ensure more people live in poverty. The only fair alternatives would be to take in all Indians, or to stop brain draining India. Given India’s population the former is impossible. Which really only leaves one fair alternative.

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  • @Buffalo Joe
    Facts, Well said, "Despicables", with Daffy's lisp would have been better.

    Reminded me of this one:

    Porky Pig: You web-footed, n-n-no good, two-timing, d-d-double-crossing, d-d-double-dealing, unsanitary old snake in the grass!

    Daffy Duck: Unsanitary?!

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Well put. The alt-right has issues with its spokespersons and unifying issues, a point well illustrated by Steve in his recent 'Alt-rock = Alt-right' post. The popularization of the term, and it coalescing around certain people, brings its own liabilities.

    Describing yourself as "alt-right" lumps you under a policy and personality tent that has an ugliness to it, an ugliness that extends beyond the unwelcome utterance of hate facts and hate truths. I'm a big fan of Steve and greatly appreciate his work, but when I look at the second "Deplorables" poster submitted in Comment 57, I can't help but feel a bit sad that some of these other characters represent a core part of the opposition to the other side's lunacy. There's an element of Horse Shoe Theory on display that conjures a longing for for simpler times.

    War is ugly and all that, but the notion of winning should not be.

    We need to be smarter. We are getting sucked into the trap of restricting the movement, by having it presented as having leaders and goals that only a tiny, tiny minority can support. If that association is successful, the Alt Right will be aborted as a viable political party, and as a viable member of a political coalition.

    Spencer really needs to take a back seat. Taylor should pursue his genetics and microbiome interests on his own time.

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    Yeah, some of the leading elements in the movement are clearly overly giddy about their moments in the sun. It's understandable, as some (our gracious host especially) have spent considerable time and extolled considerable effort with little of the recognition that they deserve, but some are wearing this newfound attention better than others.

    I don't think that Spencer is lacking for book smarts, but there is something perceivably off about him. He seems largely divorced from practicality, in love with his own overly philosophical musings and emerging celebrity, and unfit to lead much of anything. Yes Richard, please do go on about the Utopian white ethnostate. A heady defense of the concept is sure to be a winner.

    I remember seeing his Hitlerian aesthetic in a video from one of the AmRen conferences and just feeling embarrassed. Every smart and otherwise worthwhile thing to come out of his mouth was fatefully tied to the fact that it was coming from a boyish man cosplaying as the one leader who is sure to immediately turnoff 99% of the populace. Trolling lefties can be fun, and poking some holes in the tendency to shriek at the slightest hint of dissent as resurgent Nazi-ism has value, but there's something else at play here and I have a hard time seeing how it works out for our betterment in the end. Hitler is a losing issue. Every time.

    Jared Taylor has done some good work, and accomplished a great deal by maintaining an organization to bring together and discuss topics too horrible for polite society, but for all his intellect and eloquence, he still often falls into the trap of being what the proponents of diversity, anti-white sentiment, and unlimited immigration have been scaremongering about for decades. He's a smart guy who is working with a righteous cause, but the stuffy WASP who looks down his nose as he rattles off crime statistics, discusses genetic differences, and defends Hhhuwhite Identity might not be the best figurehead for broader opposition to mass immigration and The Cult of PC. I say this as someone who has enjoyed plenty of his videos and thinks that he actually comes off alright in some of his public forum speeches and Q&A segments.

    Many of the worst elements of the emergent alt-right leadership have the lucky curse of being independently wealthy through large inheritances or alimony payments. This has enabled them to be outspoken on issues that can otherwise destroy a person in these times, and we do owe some of them some gratitude, but it's clear that the alt-right is already a fractious concept that will struggle to hold together in the coming years, and that some of the prominent figures will do more harm than good when it comes championing the important issues of our time. Some of these "Deplorables" are sorely out of touch, and you can only win so long with caricatures (see: the progression of the GOP candidate's campaign, or most any primary-to-general-election cycle for that matter). Here's a question that hasn't gotten much thought: What does the alt-right look like under a Trump presidency?

    Hopefully the current batch of alt-right leaders will pave the way for a new wave that's better equipped to champion the causes that will shape the country. For now, I have to admit that much of the criticism directed at the anti-establishment push possesses large elements of truth, which is a real shame as the issues at hand are incredibly important.

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  • @Beliavsky
    "Is a White majority in the United States acceptable to you, Indian Guy?"

    If achieved by reducing legal immigration in a race-neutral manner, yes. If achieved by trying to expel non-white legal residents and citizens, no.

    Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?

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    "Isn’t the fact that the US is a white majority nation one of the main reasons you or your forefathers came here in the first place?"

    My parents came here because they wanted a higher standard of living. Isn't that the same reasons European immigrants came?
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