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    Updated, 9/11/15 9/4/15. See below! Throughout this blog, I've talked a lot about the American Nations – a concept, based on a book by Colin Woodard, that North America is divided into several ethno-cultural-political regional "nations". These nations are distributed approximately as shown above. The empirical bases of the existence of these ethno-cultural entities has...
  • […] Seed. Here the genetic data show that they remain alive and well. Previously, in my post Genes, Climate, and Even More Maps of the American Nations, we saw that the founding British colonists came from distinct parts of the British Isles and […]

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  • From the NYT: Spurs’ Tim Duncan Retires After 19 N.B.A. Seasons and 5 Titles By VICTOR MATHER JULY 11, 2016 After 19 years and five championships with the San Antonio Spurs, Tim Duncan announced Monday morning that he would retire at age 40. Duncan was an elite player on an excellent Spurs team for his...
  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    San Antonio is also surprisingly conservative (comparing it to Texas as a whole, not just hyper-liberal Austin). The Hispanics there are much more conservative than those in the rest of the state. And the white minority is super-conservative. Apocalyptic pro-Israel clergyman John Hagee has his mega-church there, I believe.

    Still, like anywhere else, San Antonio has its expensive, hip enclaves. In this case, the small, independent cities of Olmos Park and Alamo Heights, which are entirely enclosed by SA. I believe Tommy Lee Jones lives in one of those, as well as some other movie stars whose names escape me.

    “San Antonio is also surprisingly conservative (comparing it to Texas as a whole, not just hyper-liberal Austin). The Hispanics there are much more conservative than those in the rest of the state.”

    Barack Hussein Obama won San Antonio twice. San Antonio also elected a far Left Wing La Raza mayor named Julian Castro. San Antonio is not exactly the Texas panhandle when it comes to Right Wing politics.

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  • @ben tillman

    What’s the deal with Austin? Does it have Portland-style restrictions on housing expansion?
     
    There are physical constraints (hills and a lake) on the west side, which is where the expensive houses are.

    They are starting to build up in Austin it seems. I was there a few months ago after 12 years and much had changed.

    Also, it might just be me getting older but there seem a convergence of “hipster” culture centered around food and craft cocktails where Portland=SF=Austin. That was disappointing as I recalled Austin being so different from SF when I was younger

    We did get out to a bar in east Austin where a retro soul band was playing and locals were two stepping and really into it which was a lot of fun and not something I see much in CA.

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  • @Ron Mexico
    Possibly rigged. 3 games that I watched and blew my mind how bad the officiating was: 2000 Blazers vs. Lakers, game 7, 2002 Kings vs. Lakers, game 6 (this one is the gold standard), and as was pointed out, 2006 Heat vs. Mavs, game 5. Thinking back, and I am biased on this as a Pistons fan, I think the Pistons were jobbed in game 6 of the 88 finals against the Lakers on a phantom call against Laimbeer, sending Jabbar to the line to win the game. Who knows, though, because I generally think that NBA reffing is shitty, so those horrible calls and no-calls could have just been par for the course and not a conspiracy.

    Congrats to Tim Duncan on a stellar career. I figured he would retire after Pau Gasol signed with the Spurs.

    I watched the 2002 Western Conference Finals game 6 and yeah, that was the game that convinced me that conspiracy theorizing about the league cherry picking officials to influence the outcomes of series was not conspiracy theorizing. I think 10 yrs. later Sports Illustrated’s website did I write up on that game and series and by promising anonymity to NBA GM’s, something like three fourths of them all but agreed that Stern had tilted the playing field in that game.

    They surveyed 29 out of the 30 GM’s and something like 23 or 24 said well the league didn’t exactly fix it directly, but that the league knows certain officiating crews like certain teams and dislike other teams and that well, they picked that crew that most hated the Sacramento Kings and most loved the L.A. Lakers. So in effect the league doesn’t need to tell the officials specifically to reach a desired outcome, they just pick a biased bunch of officials that will tweak the game to get the desired outcome. I thought it was rather astonishing that the vast majority of GM’s in the league thought that their Commissioner was that corrupt and would admit it, even anonymously.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    What's the deal with Austin? Does it have Portland-style restrictions on housing expansion?

    When I was in San Antonio in 2007 new houses were ridiculously cheap, like 5 bedrooms for $180k. (Does that sound possible?)

    Median value of owner-occupied housing units, 2010-2014
    (Percent units owner-occupied)

    San Antonio $114,600 (55%)
    Austin $227, 800 (44.8%)
    San Diego $448,000 (47.5%)
    Portland, OR $285,300 (52.8%)
    US $175,700 (64.4%)

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  • @AnotherDad

    "I watch the tattooed generation interact with one another ..."

     

    "Tattooed generation" -- excellent.

    I can't wait for the next generation to--hopefully--toss off this incredible ugliness. AnotherMom wanted a retirement home near the beach, so i've spent a lot of time down in Cocoa Beach this spring. The beach uglification is depressing. (Aren't we wrinkled old people enough?) I find young women tatooing away their estrogenic primes the most depressing. But seriously the guys are a big joke. It doesn't say "tough". No one believes you're a Maori warrior who will eat your flesh after he kills you. It just screams "low-IQ doofus".

    Yes, especially when I see the tattooed with children, my thought is I could’ve never looked at my mother in nearly the same way if she looked like that.

    We’re getting to the time soon where grandparents will be covered in tats. I think this will increase anti-elderly prejudice, as they’re already slow and weak, now they can’t even be dignified.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    San Antonio is a little like San Diego without a beach: a military and Hispanic city.

    I grew up in an Hispanic, military border town – El Paso, TX. El Paso was 65% Hispanic in the 80s and is now 80% Hispanic and 14% white. San Diego is white to me, well white and Asian now that I have looked at the census.

    San Antonio (2010 census)
    Pop. 1.3M
    Asian 2.4%
    Black 6.9%
    Hispanic 63.2%
    White 26.6%

    San Diego (2010 census)
    Pop.-1.3M
    Asian 15.9%
    Black 6.7%
    Hispanic 28.8%
    White 45.1%

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  • @Steve Sailer
    Bill Walton insisted on being listed at 6-11, but he's huger than that.

    Too bad Bill got hurt.
    Bill was best college player ever IMHO.
    Great defense, great offensive rebounder, great outlet passer.
    UCLA teams his first 2 years (part of 88 straight ) were beautiful thing to behold.

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  • @Hepp
    One thing I've noticed about NBA players: they started behaving more like beta males around the time they started all coming into the league with tattoos in the mid to late 1990s. You have the Barkley, Shaq, and Kenny trio on TNT, and and then you watch the later generation on TV, and the latter all seem off to me. Kobe especially, when he's interviewed every word and gesture just screams insecurity to me. And then you had Allen Iverson, the kind of kid whose clothes screamed aggression but in reality it's all a cover for social awkwardness.

    Compare how MJ interacted with the media to LeBron.

    In contrast, Barkley & co. will never fake laugh at each other's jokes, if someone says something stupid they'll call it stupid. And then they'll occasionally get mad at each other, but it never lasts more than a second.

    I watch the tattooed generation interact with one another, and it's a completely different dynamic. They fake laugh at each other's jokes and seem overly sensitive to one another's egos.

    Am I the only one who's noticed this?

    “I watch the tattooed generation interact with one another …”

    “Tattooed generation” — excellent.

    I can’t wait for the next generation to–hopefully–toss off this incredible ugliness. AnotherMom wanted a retirement home near the beach, so i’ve spent a lot of time down in Cocoa Beach this spring. The beach uglification is depressing. (Aren’t we wrinkled old people enough?) I find young women tatooing away their estrogenic primes the most depressing. But seriously the guys are a big joke. It doesn’t say “tough”. No one believes you’re a Maori warrior who will eat your flesh after he kills you. It just screams “low-IQ doofus”.

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    Yes, especially when I see the tattooed with children, my thought is I could've never looked at my mother in nearly the same way if she looked like that.

    We're getting to the time soon where grandparents will be covered in tats. I think this will increase anti-elderly prejudice, as they're already slow and weak, now they can't even be dignified.
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  • @anon
    I don't get it. How does going to the NBA early extend the back-end of a career if the NBA plays over twice as many games (and longer games with tougher competition) as the NCAA?

    I don’t get it. How does going to the NBA early extend the back-end of a career if the NBA plays over twice as many games (and longer games with tougher competition) as the NCAA?

    Steve just means you can get to your 20th year at age 39 instead of age 42.

    All else being equal you can have a longer NBA career.

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  • @iSteveFan

    Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona.
     
    Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?

    Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?

    Texas has a very liberal annexation law. Cities can grab up the territory around them. This is also why Houston is nominally the 4th largest city in the US, while really being about the 10th or so largest metro region, much smaller than Washington, the Bay Area, etc.

    A better measure than “largest city” is metro area.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_of_the_United_States

    San Antonio is well down there with places like Las Vegas, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Milwaukee–essentially the bottom of the “major league” cities. And San Antonio has been growing rapidly. During most of Duncan’s career it was near the bottom of the NBA markets. (I believe only Memphis and later the Sonics move to OKC smaller market towns.)

    Other factor–its is overshadowed by Texas’s actual large cities–DFW and Houston–and it’s “cultural capital”, state capital, university town, Austin which is just up the road.

    And of course … Mexicans. Whites create stuff. Blacks destroy stuff. Mexicans just kinda sit there.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    What's the deal with Austin? Does it have Portland-style restrictions on housing expansion?

    When I was in San Antonio in 2007 new houses were ridiculously cheap, like 5 bedrooms for $180k. (Does that sound possible?)

    What’s the deal with Austin? Does it have Portland-style restrictions on housing expansion?

    There are physical constraints (hills and a lake) on the west side, which is where the expensive houses are.

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    They are starting to build up in Austin it seems. I was there a few months ago after 12 years and much had changed.

    Also, it might just be me getting older but there seem a convergence of "hipster" culture centered around food and craft cocktails where Portland=SF=Austin. That was disappointing as I recalled Austin being so different from SF when I was younger

    We did get out to a bar in east Austin where a retro soul band was playing and locals were two stepping and really into it which was a lot of fun and not something I see much in CA.
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  • @Paul Jolliffe
    You bet. You nailed the year - 2006. In the Eastern Conference finals, the Detroit Pistons had the league's best record and were shooting for their second title in three years (they beat the Lakers in 5 in 2004 and lost to the Spurs in 7 in 2005.)

    Every time Dwyane Wade drove to the hole, and I mean every time, the whistle blew and Wade got free throws. The Pistons were a great team, they moved the ball on offense, they played great team defense and they should have won. But no, the refs gave the series to the Heat with Wade and Shaq. Screw that. Most rigged NBA series ever. And it carried over into the finals against the Mavs.

    The Pistons had set an NBA record by holding five straight opponents under 70 points in a game. Five straight. Nobody could score on the Pistons until that Eastern Conference finals and the David Stern mandate that the Pistons could not be allowed back to the Finals for the third straight year.

    The hell with David Stern.

    And it carried over into the finals against the Mavs.

    Mark Cuban is still seething over it. How can a guy get that rich, yet be so naive?

    And David Stern, don’t get me started. I waited patiently for his announcement that the investigation into Jordan’s gambling was no longer “moot,” after Jordan announced he was giving up his late father’s lifelong dream that he play baseball.

    Well, actually I didn’t. But it seems I was the only one to notice.

    Well, what do you expect from a guy who still insists -even after retiring – that Fan Duel and that other one aren’t online casinos? He’d have something else to say if they weren’t cutting the NBA in on the suckers’ losses.

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  • Sorry, but I haven’t been paying attention for the last 30 years. Do they still call it “going hardship”?

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  • @iSteveFan

    Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona.
     
    Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?

    In terms of metro area, San Antonio’s #25.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    Was Kobe very popular outside of L.A.?

    I see on the ELO fan rater of NBA players on Basketball Reference that Kobe is rated #415 of all time, which I presume is due to Kobe-haters clicking obsessively to downgrade him.

    Maybe the 414 players ahead of him never had to have a rape case adjudicated.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    There are reasons Richard Linklater and Mike Judge and Terrance Malick moved to Austin rather than San Antonio. Austin was already cooler than San Antonio when I was in Houston from 1976-1980.

    “Austin was already cooler than San Antonio when I was in Houston from 1976-1980.”

    We’ll all have plenty of time to be cool (roughly 68 degrees) when we’re dead. Quality of life in San Antone is way higher.

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  • @pepperinmono
    The one game suspension of Green game 5 hurt Warriors a lot and was bullshit. LeBron was the initiator and aggressor; he should have got the only technical. Golden State choked more than Cleveland won the series.Curry and Thompson missed open threes galore. Maybe the laws of basketball haven't changed after all ?!

    The last few minutes of game 7 were brutal. Everyone was feeling the pressure bigtime. Don't remember seeing that before much.I thought Kyrie was MVP not LeBron . LeBron is incredible athlete but showed again he is better when he is not "the guy". More Scottie than Michael.

    Kerr got outcoached in game 7 as has been mentioned in press . Ezeli and Varejou were brutal on d and were left open on o and didn't do shit. Varejou got big playing time at end. Why? Thought Kerr might turn into Phil but now not so sure.

    Last point, Steve may be new SI curse.
    Curry took a dump after iSteve blog about him.

    I thought Kyrie was MVP not LeBron

    Uncle Drew played like Manning (Eli) v. the Pats.

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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    San Antonio may not be as cool as Austin, but it's also a LOT cheaper to live in. A friend of mine bought a five-bedroom house there for under 200k, in a surprisingly not-bad school district. Whereas the hipsters in Austin have predictably driven up housing prices there to California levels.

    What’s the deal with Austin? Does it have Portland-style restrictions on housing expansion?

    When I was in San Antonio in 2007 new houses were ridiculously cheap, like 5 bedrooms for $180k. (Does that sound possible?)

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    What’s the deal with Austin? Does it have Portland-style restrictions on housing expansion?
     
    There are physical constraints (hills and a lake) on the west side, which is where the expensive houses are.
    , @Triumph104
    Median value of owner-occupied housing units, 2010-2014
    (Percent units owner-occupied)

    San Antonio $114,600 (55%)
    Austin $227, 800 (44.8%)
    San Diego $448,000 (47.5%)
    Portland, OR $285,300 (52.8%)
    US $175,700 (64.4%)
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  • San Antonio is also surprisingly conservative (comparing it to Texas as a whole, not just hyper-liberal Austin). The Hispanics there are much more conservative than those in the rest of the state. And the white minority is super-conservative. Apocalyptic pro-Israel clergyman John Hagee has his mega-church there, I believe.

    Still, like anywhere else, San Antonio has its expensive, hip enclaves. In this case, the small, independent cities of Olmos Park and Alamo Heights, which are entirely enclosed by SA. I believe Tommy Lee Jones lives in one of those, as well as some other movie stars whose names escape me.

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    "San Antonio is also surprisingly conservative (comparing it to Texas as a whole, not just hyper-liberal Austin). The Hispanics there are much more conservative than those in the rest of the state."

    Barack Hussein Obama won San Antonio twice. San Antonio also elected a far Left Wing La Raza mayor named Julian Castro. San Antonio is not exactly the Texas panhandle when it comes to Right Wing politics.
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  • @Steve Sailer
    There are reasons Richard Linklater and Mike Judge and Terrance Malick moved to Austin rather than San Antonio. Austin was already cooler than San Antonio when I was in Houston from 1976-1980.

    San Antonio may not be as cool as Austin, but it’s also a LOT cheaper to live in. A friend of mine bought a five-bedroom house there for under 200k, in a surprisingly not-bad school district. Whereas the hipsters in Austin have predictably driven up housing prices there to California levels.

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    What's the deal with Austin? Does it have Portland-style restrictions on housing expansion?

    When I was in San Antonio in 2007 new houses were ridiculously cheap, like 5 bedrooms for $180k. (Does that sound possible?)

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  • @Anon
    Kobe is considered the greater of the two? No way. Maybe for the casual fans, Kobe seems better because his game was flashier. For those really study the game, they know Duncan is a far better player than Kobe. All the advanced offense and defense stats prove Duncan is the greatest of his generation.

    Uh, no, Kobe is the greater. Look at the overall career stats. Which one is third in career points? Come on. And points scored is a major stat, one of the biggest.

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  • @Hepp
    One thing I've noticed about NBA players: they started behaving more like beta males around the time they started all coming into the league with tattoos in the mid to late 1990s. You have the Barkley, Shaq, and Kenny trio on TNT, and and then you watch the later generation on TV, and the latter all seem off to me. Kobe especially, when he's interviewed every word and gesture just screams insecurity to me. And then you had Allen Iverson, the kind of kid whose clothes screamed aggression but in reality it's all a cover for social awkwardness.

    Compare how MJ interacted with the media to LeBron.

    In contrast, Barkley & co. will never fake laugh at each other's jokes, if someone says something stupid they'll call it stupid. And then they'll occasionally get mad at each other, but it never lasts more than a second.

    I watch the tattooed generation interact with one another, and it's a completely different dynamic. They fake laugh at each other's jokes and seem overly sensitive to one another's egos.

    Am I the only one who's noticed this?

    Pre 21st century hip-hop blacks were a hell of a lot scarier and much less childish. The ghetto in ’87 was scarier than it is now. At thirty-eight I’m just old enough to appreciate the distinction. Post-21st century white pussies probably have more tattoos than 20th century white tough guys. 20th century white tough guys bore quite a few tattoos and yet………….

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  • @Steve Sailer
    There are reasons Richard Linklater and Mike Judge and Terrance Malick moved to Austin rather than San Antonio. Austin was already cooler than San Antonio when I was in Houston from 1976-1980.

    “There are reasons Richard Linklater and Mike Judge and Terrance Malick moved to Austin rather than San Antonio. Austin was already cooler than San Antonio when I was in Houston from 1976-1980.”

    Austin has been cool since Tobe Hooper’s 1974 horror classic. Matthew McConaughey as David Wooderson was just icing on that cool Austin cake.

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  • @anon
    I'm definitely no NBA expert but I think Green got suspended in the finals because the flagrant he got for the LeBron incident put him at like four total flagrants for the playoffs which results in an automatic one game suspension.

    So the suspension wasn't based on the egregiousness or lack there of of that particular flagrant against LeBron.

    “I’m definitely no NBA expert but I think Green got suspended in the finals because the flagrant he got for the LeBron incident put him at like four total flagrants for the playoffs which results in an automatic one game suspension. ”

    The exact same situation applied to Green when the NBA Commissioner’s Office chose not to suspend Green after the OKC incident, which was much more flagrant than the later incident against LeBron since he actually kicked the OKC player in the groin and made contact. I’m not sure he made contact with LeBron after seeing the incident on repeated replays. He swung and missed after LeBron stepped over him after they got tangled up. I think the reason for the different decision is that the NBA wanted GS in the finals for ratings (that was Tony Kornheiser’s opinion on PTI on ESPN), and, trailing 3 to 1, there was probably no way GS could have won game 5 against OKC without Green, whereas they probably thought GS would win the series against the Cavs even if they benched Green with GS leading the series 3 to 1. LeBron showed otherwise. I thought it was a great series, especially the final game, which was the only close game of the GS-Cavs series. BTW Green had a great game in the final which was completely overshadowed by the Cavs’ dramatic win.

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  • @Jefferson
    "Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?"

    San Antonio is obscure because no Richard Linklater film ever took place there. Austin is cool from a pop culture standpoint. San Antonio is not.

    Also the original 1974 Texas Chain Saw Massacre was filmed in a suburb of Austin.

    Austin is the Hollywood of Texas. San Antonio is The Inland Empire of Texas.

    There are reasons Richard Linklater and Mike Judge and Terrance Malick moved to Austin rather than San Antonio. Austin was already cooler than San Antonio when I was in Houston from 1976-1980.

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    "There are reasons Richard Linklater and Mike Judge and Terrance Malick moved to Austin rather than San Antonio. Austin was already cooler than San Antonio when I was in Houston from 1976-1980."

    Austin has been cool since Tobe Hooper's 1974 horror classic. Matthew McConaughey as David Wooderson was just icing on that cool Austin cake.
    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    San Antonio may not be as cool as Austin, but it's also a LOT cheaper to live in. A friend of mine bought a five-bedroom house there for under 200k, in a surprisingly not-bad school district. Whereas the hipsters in Austin have predictably driven up housing prices there to California levels.
    , @Desiderius
    "Austin was already cooler than San Antonio when I was in Houston from 1976-1980."

    We'll all have plenty of time to be cool (roughly 68 degrees) when we're dead. Quality of life in San Antone is way higher.

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  • @iSteveFan

    Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona.
     
    Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?

    “Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?”

    San Antonio is obscure because no Richard Linklater film ever took place there. Austin is cool from a pop culture standpoint. San Antonio is not.

    Also the original 1974 Texas Chain Saw Massacre was filmed in a suburb of Austin.

    Austin is the Hollywood of Texas. San Antonio is The Inland Empire of Texas.

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    There are reasons Richard Linklater and Mike Judge and Terrance Malick moved to Austin rather than San Antonio. Austin was already cooler than San Antonio when I was in Houston from 1976-1980.
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  • @Steve Sailer
    The metro area isn't that big relative to the city limits. Texas has a law allowing cities to forcibly annex their suburbs, so it has big municipalities.

    It's a pretty decent place. The Riverwalk is a nice amenity, especially compared to the Los Angeles River!

    San Antonio is a little like San Diego without a beach: a military and Hispanic city.

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    I grew up in an Hispanic, military border town - El Paso, TX. El Paso was 65% Hispanic in the 80s and is now 80% Hispanic and 14% white. San Diego is white to me, well white and Asian now that I have looked at the census.

    San Antonio (2010 census)
    Pop. 1.3M
    Asian 2.4%
    Black 6.9%
    Hispanic 63.2%
    White 26.6%

    San Diego (2010 census)
    Pop.-1.3M
    Asian 15.9%
    Black 6.7%
    Hispanic 28.8%
    White 45.1%
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  • @Steve Sailer
    "Steve may be new SI curse"

    I wouldn't be surprised. If I notice somebody in sports, it's usually because they've already peaked.

    Which is precisely why some fans prefer to watch the junior leagues. That way they’ll be able to say that they saw “Him” first.

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  • @Anonymous
    "Low-key" is a euphemism here for "down-low", which of course is another euphemism but is now too widely known as a term to be used as a euphemism itself. It's not surprising at all that he would avoid more fashionable places and rather tuck into the back of a TGI Friday's with several men instead. Duncan has long been reputed to be "low-key" i.e. on the down low.

    I don’t know if he’s gay but why couldn’t it just be that Duncan’s a normal white guy trapped in a black athlete body?

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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    Kobe's reputation for surly thuggishness is at odds with his supposed high IQ (by NBA player standards). He's apparently fluent in Italian and Spanish, and was a good enough student in high school that Duke heavily recruited him (back when Coach K actually cared about such things). Interestingly enough, the comparably low-IQ Kevin Garnett was recruited by UNC.

    Kobe’s ability to speak multiple languages is a function of his dad playing in Italy for 7 seasons. It isn’t a sign of intelligence per se.

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  • What helped the Spurs tremendously is that the year before Duncan entered the NBA, David Robinson only played in 6 games. This allowed them to miss the playoffs and be eligible for the lottery. Since Robinson entered the NBA, this was the only season the Spurs missed the playoffs.

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  • @Triumph104

    According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?
     
    1. San Antonio is 63% Hispanic and they aren't Cubans.
    2. Spurs are the only major pro team in town.
    3. No big-time college football team.
    4. Austin is only and hour and a half away.

    The metro area isn’t that big relative to the city limits. Texas has a law allowing cities to forcibly annex their suburbs, so it has big municipalities.

    It’s a pretty decent place. The Riverwalk is a nice amenity, especially compared to the Los Angeles River!

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  • @Triumph104

    According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?
     
    1. San Antonio is 63% Hispanic and they aren't Cubans.
    2. Spurs are the only major pro team in town.
    3. No big-time college football team.
    4. Austin is only and hour and a half away.

    The metro area isn’t that big relative to the city limits. Texas has a law allowing cities to forcibly annex their suburbs, so it has big municipalities.

    It’s a pretty decent place. The Riverwalk is a nice amenity, especially compared to the Los Angeles River!

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    San Antonio is a little like San Diego without a beach: a military and Hispanic city.
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  • @Triumph104
    Kevin Garnett skipped college because he needed to score a 17 on the ACT to be eligible to compete as a college freshman and he only scored 16. Garnett would have been a perfect fit for UNC's fake African-American Studies program.

    He was kind of born to play basketball.

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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    Kobe's reputation for surly thuggishness is at odds with his supposed high IQ (by NBA player standards). He's apparently fluent in Italian and Spanish, and was a good enough student in high school that Duke heavily recruited him (back when Coach K actually cared about such things). Interestingly enough, the comparably low-IQ Kevin Garnett was recruited by UNC.

    Kevin Garnett skipped college because he needed to score a 17 on the ACT to be eligible to compete as a college freshman and he only scored 16. Garnett would have been a perfect fit for UNC’s fake African-American Studies program.

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    He was kind of born to play basketball.
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  • @iSteveFan

    Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona.
     
    Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?

    According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?

    1. San Antonio is 63% Hispanic and they aren’t Cubans.
    2. Spurs are the only major pro team in town.
    3. No big-time college football team.
    4. Austin is only and hour and a half away.

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    • Replies: @Steve Sailer
    The metro area isn't that big relative to the city limits. Texas has a law allowing cities to forcibly annex their suburbs, so it has big municipalities.

    It's a pretty decent place. The Riverwalk is a nice amenity, especially compared to the Los Angeles River!

    , @Steve Sailer
    The metro area isn't that big relative to the city limits. Texas has a law allowing cities to forcibly annex their suburbs, so it has big municipalities.

    It's a pretty decent place. The Riverwalk is a nice amenity, especially compared to the Los Angeles River!

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  • @Jefferson
    "I’ll see your San Antonio and raise you an Oklahoma City."

    I'll see your Oklahoma City and raise you a Jacksonville, Florida.

    Pretty sure Jacksonville PD and FD would argue otherwise.

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  • @anonymous
    Coward. You give anonymity a bad name.

    Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

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  • @Dee
    NHL officials and exec's want Crosby and the Penguins to win every year, since he is the 'face' of the NHL. So yeah, the leagues screw around with it. Golden State was the victim this year.

    NHL officials and exec’s want Crosby and the Penguins to win every year, since he is the ‘face’ of the NHL.

    If Gary Bettman tried to fix the NHL to favor the Penguins, they’d go 7-75.

    If he was Czar of Dump-Taking, the whole world would die of constipation.

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  • @anonymous
    Coward. You give anonymity a bad name.

    No, because nobody here cares that he’s on the down low. Most people off this blog don’t care for that matter. It’s The Current Year.

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  • @ben tillman

    Maybe Kobe looms larger for casual NBA fans, but I don’t think there’s any consensus amongst NBA aficianados that Kobe was better than Duncan. If anything, I’d guess it’s the reverse, i.e. that if you were asked to pick either Duncan or Kobe to base your team upon, most would’ve pick Duncan. See for example Bill Simmons’s revised NBA pyramid, in which he has Duncan #7 all time, and Kobe one step below.
     
    LOL at the Simmons pyramid. Dirk at no. 39? Back on planet Earth, Dirk and Duncan were about even. My God, if not for his knee injury in the WCF in 2003, Dirk might have won a title with Shawn Bradley as his center!

    Back on planet Earth, Dirk and Duncan were about even.

    On offense, yes; Dirk at his peak was likely an even more potent weapon than Duncan. But on defense it’s no contest: Duncan was an all-time great defender, while Dirk was, um, not. Duncan was also much better on the boards.

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  • @Anonymous
    The gay angle does jibe with one of the best players of his generation sticking with a single small market team for his entire career in this day and age. The Spurs management would have had tremendous leverage over him.

    Coward. You give anonymity a bad name.

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    No, because nobody here cares that he's on the down low. Most people off this blog don't care for that matter. It's The Current Year.
    , @Anonymous
    Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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  • @ben tillman

    I understand that Kobe is considered the greater of these two....
     
    People with two-digit IQs prefer Kobe; those with three-digit IQs prefer Duncan.

    Kobe’s reputation for surly thuggishness is at odds with his supposed high IQ (by NBA player standards). He’s apparently fluent in Italian and Spanish, and was a good enough student in high school that Duke heavily recruited him (back when Coach K actually cared about such things). Interestingly enough, the comparably low-IQ Kevin Garnett was recruited by UNC.

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    Kevin Garnett skipped college because he needed to score a 17 on the ACT to be eligible to compete as a college freshman and he only scored 16. Garnett would have been a perfect fit for UNC's fake African-American Studies program.
    , @ScarletNumber
    Kobe's ability to speak multiple languages is a function of his dad playing in Italy for 7 seasons. It isn't a sign of intelligence per se.
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  • Sports celebrities like to go to places like TGIF because that way they can more easily avoid the journalists and the dozens of ever-present on the fringes of a celebrity’s world guys who pretend to their girlfriends, sometimes even half truthfully, that the celebrity in question invited them to show up and hang out (at a hot night club, of course, never at a TGIF – that is the beauty for the celebrity of a TGIF). The smaller the town, the larger the effect. Happens with non-sports celebrities too – back in the 70s me and my pals ran into Aaron Copland, an hour or two after he had conducted one of his symphonies, at a small college town HoJo’s, and back in the 90s in the middle of some quixotean campaign me and my ‘fiancee’ (well, actually, just me, she did not care about politics much) noticed a very famous congressman politician, father of an even more famous politician, at a local chain steak-house (for the record, it was not George Bush, and he hadn’t cleaned off all his studio makeup, which made him look very very shifty, which, in fact, I think he is, to a much greater degree than his senator son – but only God looks into our hearts, of course).

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  • @iSteveFan

    Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona.
     
    Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?

    It doesn’t have any suburbs.

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  • @whorefinder
    Duncan was a great player and a great public face of the NBA: quiet, gentlemanly, no scandals. Unfortunately, he came in during the "street ball"/steroid era of the NBA, and then Kobe really stole his thunder with his prima donna antics and the team up with Shaq and Phil. So his greatness wasn't really the first thing you noticed about the NBA; he probably could have lured a lot more whites back to the game, if he'd been the league's #1 face.

    It was also too bad for the NBA that Duncan didn't play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona. I hope his outward persona reflected his inner personality as well, and we aren't given a swerve in ten years like with OJ or Bill Cosby.

    That said, Duncan is an excellent example of how basketball really is an individual sport. The Celtics under Rick Pitino were banking on landing Duncan with the #1 pick, but the draft lottery kicked to San Antonio, and the Celtics didn't get the franchise player he was. Duncan's humble, team-first persona would have been a great fit in Boston.

    Once they lost out on Duncan, Pitino's tenure was a disaster, and it took the Celtics a decade or more to be decent again. With Duncan, Pitino would have probably won the division or conference or the title and would have had a long career as big-name NBA coach.

    Basketball truly is an individual sport.

    Also, the NBA draft lottery is actually an admission by the NBA that they can't stop teams or players from throwing games. So they just threw up their hands and just made it less of a lock that if you threw a season you got the #1. But the draft lottery plus Jordan's double-secret suspension plus the fact that many players live paycheck to paycheck seem to point that the NBA probably has a lot more shady games than the news media is reporting.

    Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona.

    Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?

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    It doesn't have any suburbs.
    , @Triumph104

    According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?
     
    1. San Antonio is 63% Hispanic and they aren't Cubans.
    2. Spurs are the only major pro team in town.
    3. No big-time college football team.
    4. Austin is only and hour and a half away.
    , @Jefferson
    "Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?"

    San Antonio is obscure because no Richard Linklater film ever took place there. Austin is cool from a pop culture standpoint. San Antonio is not.

    Also the original 1974 Texas Chain Saw Massacre was filmed in a suburb of Austin.

    Austin is the Hollywood of Texas. San Antonio is The Inland Empire of Texas.

    , @slumber_j
    In terms of metro area, San Antonio's #25.
    , @AnotherDad

    Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?
     
    Texas has a very liberal annexation law. Cities can grab up the territory around them. This is also why Houston is nominally the 4th largest city in the US, while really being about the 10th or so largest metro region, much smaller than Washington, the Bay Area, etc.

    A better measure than "largest city" is metro area.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_of_the_United_States

    San Antonio is well down there with places like Las Vegas, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Milwaukee--essentially the bottom of the "major league" cities. And San Antonio has been growing rapidly. During most of Duncan's career it was near the bottom of the NBA markets. (I believe only Memphis and later the Sonics move to OKC smaller market towns.)

    Other factor--its is overshadowed by Texas's actual large cities--DFW and Houston--and it's "cultural capital", state capital, university town, Austin which is just up the road.

    And of course ... Mexicans. Whites create stuff. Blacks destroy stuff. Mexicans just kinda sit there.
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  • @iffen
    Oh, well, if the ex-wife said it, let's take it to the bank. Right off, I can't think of a more reliable source than ex-wives.

    Lol! You got a way with sarcasm, chief!

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  • @ben tillman

    I understand that Kobe is considered the greater of these two....
     
    People with two-digit IQs prefer Kobe; those with three-digit IQs prefer Duncan.

    People with two-digit IQs prefer Kobe; those with three-digit IQs prefer Duncan.

    And people with common sense say “He threw an orange ball through a hoop…meh.”

    People with my IQ prefer the guy who can fix your furnace and your transmission.

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  • @b.t.o
    Garnett and Duncan were the same height entering the league... officially... however Garnett was likely still growing and topped out at a likely 7'2. In the NBA you get a weird phenomenon where 6'8 guys are always called 6'10 but some of the few actual giants insist on being called 6'11 so they wont be the obvious goliath in the david-goliath dichotomy. Here they are standing together although duncan is slouching a bit:

    http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k606/Jettson10/Dream%20Team%201992%201996%20and%202000/usa_99_team_600.jpg

    Garnett was famous for picking on smaller (usually white) players like Jose Calderone and Luke Ridenour, and also for picking fights then running away from anyone near his own size. Not a fan.

    Bill Walton insisted on being listed at 6-11, but he’s huger than that.

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    Too bad Bill got hurt.
    Bill was best college player ever IMHO.
    Great defense, great offensive rebounder, great outlet passer.
    UCLA teams his first 2 years (part of 88 straight ) were beautiful thing to behold.
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  • @The Last Real Calvinist

    Maybe Duncan’s knees benefited from not playing too much as a teen, but being a swimmer instead?

    We don’t think of teens’ bodies as being stressed by basketball, especially not before they put on weight, but maybe year-round playing can take its toll on the knees and ankles the way being a star adolescent baseball pitcher can burn out an arm?
     

    You do have to wonder about this. Olajuwon was the same way, no hoops as a kid, then a long, illustrious NBA career, peaking significantly later than most American-born players.

    It would be interesting to compare how much basketball some of the other NBA great forwards and centers (who would seem most likely to be stressing their joints because they're disproportionately tall and heavy) with very long careers (e.g. Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Robert Parish, Karl Malone, etc.) played as kids compared to the current stars who play year round because of AAU and the like.

    It's likely improvements in medical care for both acute and chronic injuries, plus (just maybe . . . .) widespread chemical assistance, are prolonging careers now instead of more natural endurance that builds up as you grow and normally peaks as an adult . . . .

    I am entering my late 40s. I have avoided running my entire life due to my build (short, thick legs of an Irish peasant). I can’t run long distances.

    My friends who have run and were avid runners have wrecked their joints. Ankles, knees, the odd hip and backs.

    But I walk a lot. I carry my own bag when I golf, and I golf too much.

    BTW, Thomas Friedman was inducted into the caddy Hall of Fame. If they paid an honorarium I will burn down the WGA headquarters in Golf, IL.

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  • @midwestmark
    I was thinking about the difference between the college year and the pro year. He played a third to half as much basketball in his senior year in college then he would have as a first year pro. It is hard to know but college coaches seem more in control so the practices may have been more physically draining without older veterans to complain or a union. Also, a third of the season would have been devoted to playing against guys who weren't close in terms of size, strength and speed to your average NBA player. Hard to criticize Duncan or Garnett for their career. San Antonio and Duncan were both lucky they ended up together.

    College practice times are limited by the NCAA. Colleges also played fewer games when Duncan was at Wake Forest in the 90s. Without looking it up, I’m guessing he played no more than 35 games a year in college. I think his career would have been shorter if he had gone pro after one year of college. His college teams tended to disappoint also, Duncan never made a Final Four. Either way, he was a very durable player, especially for a big man.

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  • @MC
    Yes.

    The Zapruder film for this conspiracy is the 2006 NBA Finals. The Dallas Mavericks won the first two games behind Dirk Nowitzki at the height of his powers. Then the Heat, who appeared to be simply overmatched, ended up winning the last 4, primarily because any Dallas player who looked askance at Dwyane Wade was called for a foul during those 4 games.

    The common thread here is that David Stern, the NBA commish at the time, hated Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. I wouldn't blame anyone for wondering if that was connected to the officiating.

    And I am not a Dallas fan, just a basketball fan with two working eyes.

    The Zapruder film for this conspiracy is the 2006 NBA Finals.

    Yep. Not only did the Mavs get called for everything, but the Heat players were getting away with blatant stuff, particularly on the perimeter (like stepping underneath the feet of Mavs shooters).

    So, combine the fact that its rigged, with Timmy D retiring … there really is no more reason to watch. At all.

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  • @Anonymous
    I'll see your San Antonio and raise you an Oklahoma City.

    “I’ll see your San Antonio and raise you an Oklahoma City.”

    I’ll see your Oklahoma City and raise you a Jacksonville, Florida.

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    Pretty sure Jacksonville PD and FD would argue otherwise.
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  • @Steve Sailer
    Garnett's a great player, but his joints have been wearing out for maybe 7 years now. All that jumping (and, worse, landing) takes its toll over time.

    On the other hand, maybe Duncan benefited from all the fundamentals he had drilled into him during his lengthy college career?

    Maybe Duncan's knees benefited from not playing too much as a teen, but being a swimmer instead?

    We don't think of teens' bodies as being stressed by basketball, especially not before they put on weight, but maybe year-round playing can take its toll on the knees and ankles the way being a star adolescent baseball pitcher can burn out an arm?

    Here are Duncan's nicknames:

    Timmy, The Big Fundamental, Groundhog Day, Old Man Riverwalk

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

    Garnett and Duncan were the same height entering the league… officially… however Garnett was likely still growing and topped out at a likely 7’2. In the NBA you get a weird phenomenon where 6’8 guys are always called 6’10 but some of the few actual giants insist on being called 6’11 so they wont be the obvious goliath in the david-goliath dichotomy. Here they are standing together although duncan is slouching a bit:

    Garnett was famous for picking on smaller (usually white) players like Jose Calderone and Luke Ridenour, and also for picking fights then running away from anyone near his own size. Not a fan.

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    Bill Walton insisted on being listed at 6-11, but he's huger than that.
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  • @countenance
    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederickson/benfred-the-time-tim-duncan-torched-the-tigers/article_0485769c-1baa-56d1-b43d-b920bdb35958.html

    It was the luck of scheduling and other things that the #1 and then #2 teams in the country came for back to back games in Columbia.

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederickson/benfred-the-time-tim-duncan-torched-the-tigers/article_0485769c-1baa-56d1-b43d-b920bdb35958.html

    It was the luck of scheduling and other things that the #1 and then #2 teams in the country came for back to back games in Columbia.

    If you like to see Tigers get torched, you’ll be sorry you weren’t a Maryland football fan in the ’50′s. One year the Terps beat Mizzou, Auburn, Clemson, and LSU in the same season.

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  • The gay angle does jibe with one of the best players of his generation sticking with a single small market team for his entire career in this day and age. The Spurs management would have had tremendous leverage over him.

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  • Tim Duncan was incredibly self-aware. He was probably the only NBA player of his generation to reflect intensely on the best way to approach the game from a psychological viewpoint.

    Heck, he even co-authored a chapter on egos and egotistical behavior.

    https://books.google.com.sg/books?id=zY1ivEwlHP4C&lpg=PA111&ots=nl14fdGXmf&dq=Aversive+Interpersonal+Behavior+tim+duncan&pg=PA111&redir_esc=y&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Aversive%20Interpersonal%20Behavior%20tim%20duncan&f=false

    It was no surprise that he was able to build such a winning culture with his coach. He literally wrote the book on it. It may even be helpful for new NBA rookies to read his thesis… if they could even read at a college level.

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  • @The Last Real Calvinist

    I understand that Kobe is considered the greater of these two but how much of that is explained by Kobe’s abrasive personality? I often see that athletes/artists are supposed to be revered if they are unpleasant.

     

    Maybe Kobe looms larger for casual NBA fans, but I don't think there's any consensus amongst NBA aficianados that Kobe was better than Duncan. If anything, I'd guess it's the reverse, i.e. that if you were asked to pick either Duncan or Kobe to base your team upon, most would've pick Duncan. See for example Bill Simmons's revised NBA pyramid, in which he has Duncan #7 all time, and Kobe one step below. Originally Simmons had Kobe much lower, and jumped him up the rankings -- but still below Duncan.

    Maybe Kobe looms larger for casual NBA fans, but I don’t think there’s any consensus amongst NBA aficianados that Kobe was better than Duncan. If anything, I’d guess it’s the reverse, i.e. that if you were asked to pick either Duncan or Kobe to base your team upon, most would’ve pick Duncan. See for example Bill Simmons’s revised NBA pyramid, in which he has Duncan #7 all time, and Kobe one step below.

    LOL at the Simmons pyramid. Dirk at no. 39? Back on planet Earth, Dirk and Duncan were about even. My God, if not for his knee injury in the WCF in 2003, Dirk might have won a title with Shawn Bradley as his center!

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    Back on planet Earth, Dirk and Duncan were about even.
     
    On offense, yes; Dirk at his peak was likely an even more potent weapon than Duncan. But on defense it's no contest: Duncan was an all-time great defender, while Dirk was, um, not. Duncan was also much better on the boards.
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  • @ben tillman

    “Low-key” is a euphemism here for “down-low”, which of course is another euphemism but is now too widely known as a term to be used as a euphemism itself. It’s not surprising at all that he would avoid more fashionable places and rather tuck into the back of a TGI Friday’s with several men instead. Duncan has long been reputed to be “low-key” i.e. on the down low.
     
    There were women in the party.

    You’ve never heard of fag hags?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fag_hag

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  • @ben tillman

    There’s a former referee, Tim Donaghy, who claimed the NBA referees were instructed to favor the Lakers over the Kings during game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals and force a game 7. Donaghy however is not the most reliable source as he was also convicted of betting on games he officiated and deliberately making calls in order to affect the point spread.
     
    That's ridiculous. Donaghy was convicted of doing crooked stuff, and you think that undermines the claim that he did other crooked stuff?

    “That’s ridiculous. Donaghy was convicted of doing crooked stuff, and you think that undermines the claim that he did other crooked stuff?”

    No, the point is, it undermines the claim that he should be believed that OTHER people are doing bad stuff(in this case the NBA). This is why Jailhouse informants, who regularly hear other prisoners “confessions”, are not the most credible witnesses.

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  • @Aristippus
    There's a former referee, Tim Donaghy, who claimed the NBA referees were instructed to favor the Lakers over the Kings during game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals and force a game 7. Donaghy however is not the most reliable source as he was also convicted of betting on games he officiated and deliberately making calls in order to affect the point spread. The NBA favors superstars, major market teams, and dramatic storylines, so it doesn't seem far fetched to think that the organization has a preferred way of games going.

    There’s a former referee, Tim Donaghy, who claimed the NBA referees were instructed to favor the Lakers over the Kings during game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals and force a game 7. Donaghy however is not the most reliable source as he was also convicted of betting on games he officiated and deliberately making calls in order to affect the point spread.

    That’s ridiculous. Donaghy was convicted of doing crooked stuff, and you think that undermines the claim that he did other crooked stuff?

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    "That’s ridiculous. Donaghy was convicted of doing crooked stuff, and you think that undermines the claim that he did other crooked stuff?"

    No, the point is, it undermines the claim that he should be believed that OTHER people are doing bad stuff(in this case the NBA). This is why Jailhouse informants, who regularly hear other prisoners "confessions", are not the most credible witnesses.
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  • Was Kobe very popular outside of L.A.?

    I see on the ELO fan rater of NBA players on Basketball Reference that Kobe is rated #415 of all time, which I presume is due to Kobe-haters clicking obsessively to downgrade him.

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    Maybe the 414 players ahead of him never had to have a rape case adjudicated.
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  • @Jefferson
    It was also too bad for the NBA that Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona."

    San Antonio is a small town? A better description would be a boring big city. The most boring big city in America.

    You have obviously never been to Columbus, Ohio

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  • @Fredrik
    I understand that Kobe is considered the greater of these two but how much of that is explained by Kobe's abrasive personality? I often see that athletes/artists are supposed to be revered if they are unpleasant.

    I understand that Kobe is considered the greater of these two….

    People with two-digit IQs prefer Kobe; those with three-digit IQs prefer Duncan.

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    People with two-digit IQs prefer Kobe; those with three-digit IQs prefer Duncan.
     
    And people with common sense say "He threw an orange ball through a hoop...meh."

    People with my IQ prefer the guy who can fix your furnace and your transmission.

    , @Hapalong Cassidy
    Kobe's reputation for surly thuggishness is at odds with his supposed high IQ (by NBA player standards). He's apparently fluent in Italian and Spanish, and was a good enough student in high school that Duke heavily recruited him (back when Coach K actually cared about such things). Interestingly enough, the comparably low-IQ Kevin Garnett was recruited by UNC.
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  • @Anonymous
    "Low-key" is a euphemism here for "down-low", which of course is another euphemism but is now too widely known as a term to be used as a euphemism itself. It's not surprising at all that he would avoid more fashionable places and rather tuck into the back of a TGI Friday's with several men instead. Duncan has long been reputed to be "low-key" i.e. on the down low.

    “Low-key” is a euphemism here for “down-low”, which of course is another euphemism but is now too widely known as a term to be used as a euphemism itself. It’s not surprising at all that he would avoid more fashionable places and rather tuck into the back of a TGI Friday’s with several men instead. Duncan has long been reputed to be “low-key” i.e. on the down low.

    There were women in the party.

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    You've never heard of fag hags?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fag_hag
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  • http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederickson/benfred-the-time-tim-duncan-torched-the-tigers/article_0485769c-1baa-56d1-b43d-b920bdb35958.html

    It was the luck of scheduling and other things that the #1 and then #2 teams in the country came for back to back games in Columbia.

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    • Replies: @ben tillman

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/ben-frederickson/benfred-the-time-tim-duncan-torched-the-tigers/article_0485769c-1baa-56d1-b43d-b920bdb35958.html

    It was the luck of scheduling and other things that the #1 and then #2 teams in the country came for back to back games in Columbia.
     
    If you like to see Tigers get torched, you'll be sorry you weren't a Maryland football fan in the '50's. One year the Terps beat Mizzou, Auburn, Clemson, and LSU in the same season.
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  • @Fredrik
    I understand that Kobe is considered the greater of these two but how much of that is explained by Kobe's abrasive personality? I often see that athletes/artists are supposed to be revered if they are unpleasant.

    Kobe is considered the greater of the two? No way. Maybe for the casual fans, Kobe seems better because his game was flashier. For those really study the game, they know Duncan is a far better player than Kobe. All the advanced offense and defense stats prove Duncan is the greatest of his generation.

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    Uh, no, Kobe is the greater. Look at the overall career stats. Which one is third in career points? Come on. And points scored is a major stat, one of the biggest.
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  • The Onion’s Tim Duncan archive:

    http://www.theonion.com/articleslideshow/tim-duncan-nba-legend-rides-sunset-safe-and-pruden-53193

    “Tim Duncan Announces Shoe Deal With Florsheim”

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  • @Ron Mexico
    Possibly rigged. 3 games that I watched and blew my mind how bad the officiating was: 2000 Blazers vs. Lakers, game 7, 2002 Kings vs. Lakers, game 6 (this one is the gold standard), and as was pointed out, 2006 Heat vs. Mavs, game 5. Thinking back, and I am biased on this as a Pistons fan, I think the Pistons were jobbed in game 6 of the 88 finals against the Lakers on a phantom call against Laimbeer, sending Jabbar to the line to win the game. Who knows, though, because I generally think that NBA reffing is shitty, so those horrible calls and no-calls could have just been par for the course and not a conspiracy.

    Congrats to Tim Duncan on a stellar career. I figured he would retire after Pau Gasol signed with the Spurs.

    You “think” the Pistons were jobbed in game 6 of the 1988 finals on the phantom call against Laimbeer? OF COURSE THEY WERE JOBBED! It was a terrible call, especially at that moment!

    Riley had guaranteed a Laker repeat after ’87 and the whole world wanted to see “Showtime” do it again. Problem for the NBA was that the Pistons were actually the better team in that series.

    (Of course, the Pistons won it in ’89 and ’90. They might have won again in ’91, but by then the NBA was determined to get Chicago and Michael Jordan to the finals. Maybe the Bulls really were better by ’91, but the NBA sure did not want a Piston three-peat.)

    If you watch the ’88 game 6 again anytime soon, notice the funny business with the reversal on the play when the Lakers miss a shot, Magic grabs the offensive rebound, and then Dennis Rodman steals the pass and is headed for an uncontested dunk to give the Pistons a three point lead with 30 seconds left, only to have the play whistled dead (because the refs want to see if there was an errant shot-clock reset just before Magic’s rebound. The result? Lakers ball out of bounds, followed by a foul call on the Pistons.)

    The only way for the Lakers to win in ’88 was to get every possible break from the refs.

    And they did.

    That Lakers team did have a following though. I was at the first finals game at the Pontiac Silverdome, and the Lakers had Jack Nicholson, Rob Lowe and the Beach Boys all in attendance. I don’t know if Dyan Cannon was there, but there were a lot of beach blondes who looked like her there.

    The game was in Metro Detroit.

    That’s a following.

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  • Ed says:

    On the question of whether the NBA is rigged, which some commentators have debated, the way I would put it is that the NBA is riggable. There is no way I would know if any games are rigged, since I am no insider. But it wouldn’t be too difficult to rig the games if someone with access to key personnel, mainly the refs, wanted to.

    The reason of course is that officiating is both far more subjective and has a bigger impact on play compared to other sports. Its known for games to be determined by refs’ calls. In addition, you don’t have many players, a couple of superstars on each team dominate play. You really just need to get to one ref or even one player.

    Incidentally, the exact same point can be made about US elections. They are run by, and votes are counted by, local election boards dominated by party hacks, and not an independent election agency as in other countries. Votes are usually cast on machines and not audited or counted publicly. What you do need is for hacks from both parties to agree in order to steal the elections, but if you get that it is not difficult to do. Again, there is no way I would know if this actually happens.

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  • Indeed. Tim Duncan was a player’s player at all times.

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  • Big trend in analytics is measuring wear and tear in games played or even minutes. College seasons have much fewer than jumping straight to NBA.

    Still, Duncan lasted so long because he’s cerebral and team oriented. Best player of his generation, imo

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  • Ed says:
    @Hepp
    One thing I've noticed about NBA players: they started behaving more like beta males around the time they started all coming into the league with tattoos in the mid to late 1990s. You have the Barkley, Shaq, and Kenny trio on TNT, and and then you watch the later generation on TV, and the latter all seem off to me. Kobe especially, when he's interviewed every word and gesture just screams insecurity to me. And then you had Allen Iverson, the kind of kid whose clothes screamed aggression but in reality it's all a cover for social awkwardness.

    Compare how MJ interacted with the media to LeBron.

    In contrast, Barkley & co. will never fake laugh at each other's jokes, if someone says something stupid they'll call it stupid. And then they'll occasionally get mad at each other, but it never lasts more than a second.

    I watch the tattooed generation interact with one another, and it's a completely different dynamic. They fake laugh at each other's jokes and seem overly sensitive to one another's egos.

    Am I the only one who's noticed this?

    “I watch the tattooed generation interact with one another, and it’s a completely different dynamic. They fake laugh at each other’s jokes and seem overly sensitive to one another’s egos. ”

    “Tattoed generation” is an excellent name to call the Millenials, and I’ve noticed that social awkardness and emo stuff seems associated with them as well.

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  • @MC
    Yes.

    The Zapruder film for this conspiracy is the 2006 NBA Finals. The Dallas Mavericks won the first two games behind Dirk Nowitzki at the height of his powers. Then the Heat, who appeared to be simply overmatched, ended up winning the last 4, primarily because any Dallas player who looked askance at Dwyane Wade was called for a foul during those 4 games.

    The common thread here is that David Stern, the NBA commish at the time, hated Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. I wouldn't blame anyone for wondering if that was connected to the officiating.

    And I am not a Dallas fan, just a basketball fan with two working eyes.

    You bet. You nailed the year – 2006. In the Eastern Conference finals, the Detroit Pistons had the league’s best record and were shooting for their second title in three years (they beat the Lakers in 5 in 2004 and lost to the Spurs in 7 in 2005.)

    Every time Dwyane Wade drove to the hole, and I mean every time, the whistle blew and Wade got free throws. The Pistons were a great team, they moved the ball on offense, they played great team defense and they should have won. But no, the refs gave the series to the Heat with Wade and Shaq. Screw that. Most rigged NBA series ever. And it carried over into the finals against the Mavs.

    The Pistons had set an NBA record by holding five straight opponents under 70 points in a game. Five straight. Nobody could score on the Pistons until that Eastern Conference finals and the David Stern mandate that the Pistons could not be allowed back to the Finals for the third straight year.

    The hell with David Stern.

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    • Replies: @I, Libertine

    And it carried over into the finals against the Mavs.
     
    Mark Cuban is still seething over it. How can a guy get that rich, yet be so naive?

    And David Stern, don't get me started. I waited patiently for his announcement that the investigation into Jordan's gambling was no longer "moot," after Jordan announced he was giving up his late father's lifelong dream that he play baseball.

    Well, actually I didn't. But it seems I was the only one to notice.

    Well, what do you expect from a guy who still insists -even after retiring - that Fan Duel and that other one aren't online casinos? He'd have something else to say if they weren't cutting the NBA in on the suckers' losses.
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  • @Steve Sailer
    Garnett's a great player, but his joints have been wearing out for maybe 7 years now. All that jumping (and, worse, landing) takes its toll over time.

    On the other hand, maybe Duncan benefited from all the fundamentals he had drilled into him during his lengthy college career?

    Maybe Duncan's knees benefited from not playing too much as a teen, but being a swimmer instead?

    We don't think of teens' bodies as being stressed by basketball, especially not before they put on weight, but maybe year-round playing can take its toll on the knees and ankles the way being a star adolescent baseball pitcher can burn out an arm?

    Here are Duncan's nicknames:

    Timmy, The Big Fundamental, Groundhog Day, Old Man Riverwalk

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

    Maybe Duncan’s knees benefited from not playing too much as a teen, but being a swimmer instead?

    We don’t think of teens’ bodies as being stressed by basketball, especially not before they put on weight, but maybe year-round playing can take its toll on the knees and ankles the way being a star adolescent baseball pitcher can burn out an arm?

    You do have to wonder about this. Olajuwon was the same way, no hoops as a kid, then a long, illustrious NBA career, peaking significantly later than most American-born players.

    It would be interesting to compare how much basketball some of the other NBA great forwards and centers (who would seem most likely to be stressing their joints because they’re disproportionately tall and heavy) with very long careers (e.g. Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Robert Parish, Karl Malone, etc.) played as kids compared to the current stars who play year round because of AAU and the like.

    It’s likely improvements in medical care for both acute and chronic injuries, plus (just maybe . . . .) widespread chemical assistance, are prolonging careers now instead of more natural endurance that builds up as you grow and normally peaks as an adult . . . .

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    • Replies: @Hodag
    I am entering my late 40s. I have avoided running my entire life due to my build (short, thick legs of an Irish peasant). I can't run long distances.

    My friends who have run and were avid runners have wrecked their joints. Ankles, knees, the odd hip and backs.

    But I walk a lot. I carry my own bag when I golf, and I golf too much.

    BTW, Thomas Friedman was inducted into the caddy Hall of Fame. If they paid an honorarium I will burn down the WGA headquarters in Golf, IL.
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  • @Anonymous

    Unfortunately, the Mavs had made 49 straight free throws in game one, and the NBA sent Joey Crawford to make sure things went the Spurs’ way in game two. And he did.
     
    I don't follow the NBA closely enough to have a strong opinion on this, but I've heard complaints and criticisms for years now that the NBA manipulates games via officiating and other means to build up suspense and produce more competitive playoffs series. Is there serious merit to these allegations?

    There’s a former referee, Tim Donaghy, who claimed the NBA referees were instructed to favor the Lakers over the Kings during game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals and force a game 7. Donaghy however is not the most reliable source as he was also convicted of betting on games he officiated and deliberately making calls in order to affect the point spread. The NBA favors superstars, major market teams, and dramatic storylines, so it doesn’t seem far fetched to think that the organization has a preferred way of games going.

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    There’s a former referee, Tim Donaghy, who claimed the NBA referees were instructed to favor the Lakers over the Kings during game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals and force a game 7. Donaghy however is not the most reliable source as he was also convicted of betting on games he officiated and deliberately making calls in order to affect the point spread.
     
    That's ridiculous. Donaghy was convicted of doing crooked stuff, and you think that undermines the claim that he did other crooked stuff?
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  • @Kyle a
    Perhaps now he will venture out of the closet. That's according to his ex-wife.

    Oh, well, if the ex-wife said it, let’s take it to the bank. Right off, I can’t think of a more reliable source than ex-wives.

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    Lol! You got a way with sarcasm, chief!
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  • @Jefferson
    It was also too bad for the NBA that Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona."

    San Antonio is a small town? A better description would be a boring big city. The most boring big city in America.

    I’ll see your San Antonio and raise you an Oklahoma City.

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    "I’ll see your San Antonio and raise you an Oklahoma City."

    I'll see your Oklahoma City and raise you a Jacksonville, Florida.
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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @tbraton
    "Golden State was the victim this year."

    GS was the victim after being the beneficiary of a very favorable ruling that kept Draymond Green in the OKC series with GS down 3 to 1. The league had much more justification for benching Green in the prior series than sitting him in the Cleveland series. I was happy to see it since I was rooting for LeBron and the Cavs all the way and was glad to see them win

    I’m definitely no NBA expert but I think Green got suspended in the finals because the flagrant he got for the LeBron incident put him at like four total flagrants for the playoffs which results in an automatic one game suspension.

    So the suspension wasn’t based on the egregiousness or lack there of of that particular flagrant against LeBron.

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    "I’m definitely no NBA expert but I think Green got suspended in the finals because the flagrant he got for the LeBron incident put him at like four total flagrants for the playoffs which results in an automatic one game suspension. "

    The exact same situation applied to Green when the NBA Commissioner's Office chose not to suspend Green after the OKC incident, which was much more flagrant than the later incident against LeBron since he actually kicked the OKC player in the groin and made contact. I'm not sure he made contact with LeBron after seeing the incident on repeated replays. He swung and missed after LeBron stepped over him after they got tangled up. I think the reason for the different decision is that the NBA wanted GS in the finals for ratings (that was Tony Kornheiser's opinion on PTI on ESPN), and, trailing 3 to 1, there was probably no way GS could have won game 5 against OKC without Green, whereas they probably thought GS would win the series against the Cavs even if they benched Green with GS leading the series 3 to 1. LeBron showed otherwise. I thought it was a great series, especially the final game, which was the only close game of the GS-Cavs series. BTW Green had a great game in the final which was completely overshadowed by the Cavs' dramatic win.
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  • @whorefinder
    Duncan was a great player and a great public face of the NBA: quiet, gentlemanly, no scandals. Unfortunately, he came in during the "street ball"/steroid era of the NBA, and then Kobe really stole his thunder with his prima donna antics and the team up with Shaq and Phil. So his greatness wasn't really the first thing you noticed about the NBA; he probably could have lured a lot more whites back to the game, if he'd been the league's #1 face.

    It was also too bad for the NBA that Duncan didn't play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona. I hope his outward persona reflected his inner personality as well, and we aren't given a swerve in ten years like with OJ or Bill Cosby.

    That said, Duncan is an excellent example of how basketball really is an individual sport. The Celtics under Rick Pitino were banking on landing Duncan with the #1 pick, but the draft lottery kicked to San Antonio, and the Celtics didn't get the franchise player he was. Duncan's humble, team-first persona would have been a great fit in Boston.

    Once they lost out on Duncan, Pitino's tenure was a disaster, and it took the Celtics a decade or more to be decent again. With Duncan, Pitino would have probably won the division or conference or the title and would have had a long career as big-name NBA coach.

    Basketball truly is an individual sport.

    Also, the NBA draft lottery is actually an admission by the NBA that they can't stop teams or players from throwing games. So they just threw up their hands and just made it less of a lock that if you threw a season you got the #1. But the draft lottery plus Jordan's double-secret suspension plus the fact that many players live paycheck to paycheck seem to point that the NBA probably has a lot more shady games than the news media is reporting.

    It was also too bad for the NBA that Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona.”

    San Antonio is a small town? A better description would be a boring big city. The most boring big city in America.

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    I'll see your San Antonio and raise you an Oklahoma City.
    , @Jean Cocteausten
    You have obviously never been to Columbus, Ohio
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  • I was thinking about the difference between the college year and the pro year. He played a third to half as much basketball in his senior year in college then he would have as a first year pro. It is hard to know but college coaches seem more in control so the practices may have been more physically draining without older veterans to complain or a union. Also, a third of the season would have been devoted to playing against guys who weren’t close in terms of size, strength and speed to your average NBA player. Hard to criticize Duncan or Garnett for their career. San Antonio and Duncan were both lucky they ended up together.

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    College practice times are limited by the NCAA. Colleges also played fewer games when Duncan was at Wake Forest in the 90s. Without looking it up, I'm guessing he played no more than 35 games a year in college. I think his career would have been shorter if he had gone pro after one year of college. His college teams tended to disappoint also, Duncan never made a Final Four. Either way, he was a very durable player, especially for a big man.
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  • Abe says: • Website

    Duncan’s retirement was as quiet as Kobe Bryant’s was colorful and protract

    Great, I hope he considers a political career. A reserved, thoughtful black man who values decorum above all else and, if stirred beyond endurance, will simply act out in a very dignified, passive-aggressive manner, is just what this country needs! I only hope he was born in the US Virgin Islands so that one day he can take a shot at the White House. He could be the one we have been waiting for.

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  • @pepperinmono
    The one game suspension of Green game 5 hurt Warriors a lot and was bullshit. LeBron was the initiator and aggressor; he should have got the only technical. Golden State choked more than Cleveland won the series.Curry and Thompson missed open threes galore. Maybe the laws of basketball haven't changed after all ?!

    The last few minutes of game 7 were brutal. Everyone was feeling the pressure bigtime. Don't remember seeing that before much.I thought Kyrie was MVP not LeBron . LeBron is incredible athlete but showed again he is better when he is not "the guy". More Scottie than Michael.

    Kerr got outcoached in game 7 as has been mentioned in press . Ezeli and Varejou were brutal on d and were left open on o and didn't do shit. Varejou got big playing time at end. Why? Thought Kerr might turn into Phil but now not so sure.

    Last point, Steve may be new SI curse.
    Curry took a dump after iSteve blog about him.

    “Steve may be new SI curse”

    I wouldn’t be surprised. If I notice somebody in sports, it’s usually because they’ve already peaked.

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    Which is precisely why some fans prefer to watch the junior leagues. That way they'll be able to say that they saw "Him" first.
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  • @Fredrik
    I understand that Kobe is considered the greater of these two but how much of that is explained by Kobe's abrasive personality? I often see that athletes/artists are supposed to be revered if they are unpleasant.

    I understand that Kobe is considered the greater of these two but how much of that is explained by Kobe’s abrasive personality? I often see that athletes/artists are supposed to be revered if they are unpleasant.

    Maybe Kobe looms larger for casual NBA fans, but I don’t think there’s any consensus amongst NBA aficianados that Kobe was better than Duncan. If anything, I’d guess it’s the reverse, i.e. that if you were asked to pick either Duncan or Kobe to base your team upon, most would’ve pick Duncan. See for example Bill Simmons’s revised NBA pyramid, in which he has Duncan #7 all time, and Kobe one step below. Originally Simmons had Kobe much lower, and jumped him up the rankings — but still below Duncan.

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    Maybe Kobe looms larger for casual NBA fans, but I don’t think there’s any consensus amongst NBA aficianados that Kobe was better than Duncan. If anything, I’d guess it’s the reverse, i.e. that if you were asked to pick either Duncan or Kobe to base your team upon, most would’ve pick Duncan. See for example Bill Simmons’s revised NBA pyramid, in which he has Duncan #7 all time, and Kobe one step below.
     
    LOL at the Simmons pyramid. Dirk at no. 39? Back on planet Earth, Dirk and Duncan were about even. My God, if not for his knee injury in the WCF in 2003, Dirk might have won a title with Shawn Bradley as his center!
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  • @MC
    Yes.

    The Zapruder film for this conspiracy is the 2006 NBA Finals. The Dallas Mavericks won the first two games behind Dirk Nowitzki at the height of his powers. Then the Heat, who appeared to be simply overmatched, ended up winning the last 4, primarily because any Dallas player who looked askance at Dwyane Wade was called for a foul during those 4 games.

    The common thread here is that David Stern, the NBA commish at the time, hated Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. I wouldn't blame anyone for wondering if that was connected to the officiating.

    And I am not a Dallas fan, just a basketball fan with two working eyes.

    Possibly rigged. 3 games that I watched and blew my mind how bad the officiating was: 2000 Blazers vs. Lakers, game 7, 2002 Kings vs. Lakers, game 6 (this one is the gold standard), and as was pointed out, 2006 Heat vs. Mavs, game 5. Thinking back, and I am biased on this as a Pistons fan, I think the Pistons were jobbed in game 6 of the 88 finals against the Lakers on a phantom call against Laimbeer, sending Jabbar to the line to win the game. Who knows, though, because I generally think that NBA reffing is shitty, so those horrible calls and no-calls could have just been par for the course and not a conspiracy.

    Congrats to Tim Duncan on a stellar career. I figured he would retire after Pau Gasol signed with the Spurs.

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    You "think" the Pistons were jobbed in game 6 of the 1988 finals on the phantom call against Laimbeer? OF COURSE THEY WERE JOBBED! It was a terrible call, especially at that moment!

    Riley had guaranteed a Laker repeat after '87 and the whole world wanted to see "Showtime" do it again. Problem for the NBA was that the Pistons were actually the better team in that series.

    (Of course, the Pistons won it in '89 and '90. They might have won again in '91, but by then the NBA was determined to get Chicago and Michael Jordan to the finals. Maybe the Bulls really were better by '91, but the NBA sure did not want a Piston three-peat.)

    If you watch the '88 game 6 again anytime soon, notice the funny business with the reversal on the play when the Lakers miss a shot, Magic grabs the offensive rebound, and then Dennis Rodman steals the pass and is headed for an uncontested dunk to give the Pistons a three point lead with 30 seconds left, only to have the play whistled dead (because the refs want to see if there was an errant shot-clock reset just before Magic's rebound. The result? Lakers ball out of bounds, followed by a foul call on the Pistons.)

    The only way for the Lakers to win in '88 was to get every possible break from the refs.

    And they did.

    That Lakers team did have a following though. I was at the first finals game at the Pontiac Silverdome, and the Lakers had Jack Nicholson, Rob Lowe and the Beach Boys all in attendance. I don't know if Dyan Cannon was there, but there were a lot of beach blondes who looked like her there.

    The game was in Metro Detroit.

    That's a following.
    , @Unladen Swallow
    I watched the 2002 Western Conference Finals game 6 and yeah, that was the game that convinced me that conspiracy theorizing about the league cherry picking officials to influence the outcomes of series was not conspiracy theorizing. I think 10 yrs. later Sports Illustrated's website did I write up on that game and series and by promising anonymity to NBA GM's, something like three fourths of them all but agreed that Stern had tilted the playing field in that game.

    They surveyed 29 out of the 30 GM's and something like 23 or 24 said well the league didn't exactly fix it directly, but that the league knows certain officiating crews like certain teams and dislike other teams and that well, they picked that crew that most hated the Sacramento Kings and most loved the L.A. Lakers. So in effect the league doesn't need to tell the officials specifically to reach a desired outcome, they just pick a biased bunch of officials that will tweak the game to get the desired outcome. I thought it was rather astonishing that the vast majority of GM's in the league thought that their Commissioner was that corrupt and would admit it, even anonymously.
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  • What, no “farewell tour”? Thank god somebody has the class to forgo that apparently ever more popular embarrassment.

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  • @Dee
    NHL officials and exec's want Crosby and the Penguins to win every year, since he is the 'face' of the NHL. So yeah, the leagues screw around with it. Golden State was the victim this year.

    “Golden State was the victim this year.”

    GS was the victim after being the beneficiary of a very favorable ruling that kept Draymond Green in the OKC series with GS down 3 to 1. The league had much more justification for benching Green in the prior series than sitting him in the Cleveland series. I was happy to see it since I was rooting for LeBron and the Cavs all the way and was glad to see them win

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    • Replies: @anon
    I'm definitely no NBA expert but I think Green got suspended in the finals because the flagrant he got for the LeBron incident put him at like four total flagrants for the playoffs which results in an automatic one game suspension.

    So the suspension wasn't based on the egregiousness or lack there of of that particular flagrant against LeBron.
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  • @Dee
    NHL officials and exec's want Crosby and the Penguins to win every year, since he is the 'face' of the NHL. So yeah, the leagues screw around with it. Golden State was the victim this year.

    The one game suspension of Green game 5 hurt Warriors a lot and was bullshit. LeBron was the initiator and aggressor; he should have got the only technical. Golden State choked more than Cleveland won the series.Curry and Thompson missed open threes galore. Maybe the laws of basketball haven’t changed after all ?!

    The last few minutes of game 7 were brutal. Everyone was feeling the pressure bigtime. Don’t remember seeing that before much.I thought Kyrie was MVP not LeBron . LeBron is incredible athlete but showed again he is better when he is not “the guy”. More Scottie than Michael.

    Kerr got outcoached in game 7 as has been mentioned in press . Ezeli and Varejou were brutal on d and were left open on o and didn’t do shit. Varejou got big playing time at end. Why? Thought Kerr might turn into Phil but now not so sure.

    Last point, Steve may be new SI curse.
    Curry took a dump after iSteve blog about him.

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    "Steve may be new SI curse"

    I wouldn't be surprised. If I notice somebody in sports, it's usually because they've already peaked.

    , @Desiderius

    I thought Kyrie was MVP not LeBron
     
    Uncle Drew played like Manning (Eli) v. the Pats.
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  • I don’t get it. How does going to the NBA early extend the back-end of a career if the NBA plays over twice as many games (and longer games with tougher competition) as the NCAA?

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    I don’t get it. How does going to the NBA early extend the back-end of a career if the NBA plays over twice as many games (and longer games with tougher competition) as the NCAA?
     
    Steve just means you can get to your 20th year at age 39 instead of age 42.

    All else being equal you can have a longer NBA career.
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  • @Steve Sailer
    Garnett's a great player, but his joints have been wearing out for maybe 7 years now. All that jumping (and, worse, landing) takes its toll over time.

    On the other hand, maybe Duncan benefited from all the fundamentals he had drilled into him during his lengthy college career?

    Maybe Duncan's knees benefited from not playing too much as a teen, but being a swimmer instead?

    We don't think of teens' bodies as being stressed by basketball, especially not before they put on weight, but maybe year-round playing can take its toll on the knees and ankles the way being a star adolescent baseball pitcher can burn out an arm?

    Here are Duncan's nicknames:

    Timmy, The Big Fundamental, Groundhog Day, Old Man Riverwalk

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

    Actually more than likely. Young gymnasts have their discs wear out, so knees should be similar. I don’t know of an exercise kinder to knees than swimming, especially for a 6’11 guy. Basketball is one of the few sports where a guy does not need to spend a childhood working at sport to come in at adult age and be world class… if you are 7′ tall.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Duncan’s low-key nature often kept him out of the spotlight, but the sheer force of his accomplishments pushes him onto just about every list of the greats.
     
    "Low-key" is right. I flew to SA for game two of the 2003 Western Conference Finals (which was the de facto NBA finals that year). Unfortunately, the Mavs had made 49 straight free throws in game one, and the NBA sent Joey Crawford to make sure things went the Spurs' way in game two. And he did.

    A few minutes into the second quarter, the Spurs were already 22-22 from the line, Crawford had called four technicals on the Mavs, and Dirk was on the bench with three fouls and a T.

    Anyway, the Spurs won easily. After the game, I went back to the hotel. I didn't have a car, so I walked across Loop 410 to my only option, a TGI Friday's. That's about as lame as it gets. There were maybe a dozen people there.

    And then maybe 10 minutes later, what do you know, Duncan walks in with a party of five and sits down at a table in the distant recesses of the restaurant.

    That's low-key.

    “Low-key” is a euphemism here for “down-low”, which of course is another euphemism but is now too widely known as a term to be used as a euphemism itself. It’s not surprising at all that he would avoid more fashionable places and rather tuck into the back of a TGI Friday’s with several men instead. Duncan has long been reputed to be “low-key” i.e. on the down low.

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    “Low-key” is a euphemism here for “down-low”, which of course is another euphemism but is now too widely known as a term to be used as a euphemism itself. It’s not surprising at all that he would avoid more fashionable places and rather tuck into the back of a TGI Friday’s with several men instead. Duncan has long been reputed to be “low-key” i.e. on the down low.
     
    There were women in the party.
    , @Fredrik
    I don't know if he's gay but why couldn't it just be that Duncan's a normal white guy trapped in a black athlete body?
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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    A lot to do is made of the fact that Duncan went to college for four years. However, he did graduate from high school at 17, a full year earlier than most American high schoolers. So he entered the league at 21, the same age as Michael Jordan. At the same time Duncan was coming into the league, by contrast you had guys like Kobe and Kevin Garnett coming in straight out of High School. Garnett was the one who kicked it off. He is often compared to Duncan - born the same year, same height, same position, similar stats. Even though he came in right out of high school in '96, he was actually 20 years old his rookie season - only one year younger than Duncan was. Incidentally, Garnett is still in the league and says he will return next year - which will be his 21st season.

    Garnett’s a great player, but his joints have been wearing out for maybe 7 years now. All that jumping (and, worse, landing) takes its toll over time.

    On the other hand, maybe Duncan benefited from all the fundamentals he had drilled into him during his lengthy college career?

    Maybe Duncan’s knees benefited from not playing too much as a teen, but being a swimmer instead?

    We don’t think of teens’ bodies as being stressed by basketball, especially not before they put on weight, but maybe year-round playing can take its toll on the knees and ankles the way being a star adolescent baseball pitcher can burn out an arm?

    Here are Duncan’s nicknames:

    Timmy, The Big Fundamental, Groundhog Day, Old Man Riverwalk

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

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    Actually more than likely. Young gymnasts have their discs wear out, so knees should be similar. I don't know of an exercise kinder to knees than swimming, especially for a 6'11 guy. Basketball is one of the few sports where a guy does not need to spend a childhood working at sport to come in at adult age and be world class... if you are 7' tall.
    , @The Last Real Calvinist

    Maybe Duncan’s knees benefited from not playing too much as a teen, but being a swimmer instead?

    We don’t think of teens’ bodies as being stressed by basketball, especially not before they put on weight, but maybe year-round playing can take its toll on the knees and ankles the way being a star adolescent baseball pitcher can burn out an arm?
     

    You do have to wonder about this. Olajuwon was the same way, no hoops as a kid, then a long, illustrious NBA career, peaking significantly later than most American-born players.

    It would be interesting to compare how much basketball some of the other NBA great forwards and centers (who would seem most likely to be stressing their joints because they're disproportionately tall and heavy) with very long careers (e.g. Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Robert Parish, Karl Malone, etc.) played as kids compared to the current stars who play year round because of AAU and the like.

    It's likely improvements in medical care for both acute and chronic injuries, plus (just maybe . . . .) widespread chemical assistance, are prolonging careers now instead of more natural endurance that builds up as you grow and normally peaks as an adult . . . .

    , @b.t.o
    Garnett and Duncan were the same height entering the league... officially... however Garnett was likely still growing and topped out at a likely 7'2. In the NBA you get a weird phenomenon where 6'8 guys are always called 6'10 but some of the few actual giants insist on being called 6'11 so they wont be the obvious goliath in the david-goliath dichotomy. Here they are standing together although duncan is slouching a bit:

    http://i1118.photobucket.com/albums/k606/Jettson10/Dream%20Team%201992%201996%20and%202000/usa_99_team_600.jpg

    Garnett was famous for picking on smaller (usually white) players like Jose Calderone and Luke Ridenour, and also for picking fights then running away from anyone near his own size. Not a fan.
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  • MC says:

    Fondest memory of Tim Duncan was attending this game:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200011070PHO.html

    As you can see, Duncan played well, but his team got throttled by the good-but-mostly-forgotten Jason Kidd-era Suns. But it was fun to see 3+ future Hall of Famers play in person.

    What stands out about the game is that it was Election Night 2000. As a politics nerd, I’d been planning to stay at the dorms and watch the returns come in. Someone at the cafeteria said, “Did you hear? Gore won Florida.” At that point I figured there was no suspense left in the election, so I went with some friends to the game.

    No smartphones back then, so I had no idea that we weren’t headed for President Gore until we walked back into the dorms and heard someone say, “Hey the election just got kinda interesting…”

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  • I think you meant “black basketball player retires”.

    Black doctor who treated Dallas cops: Violence ‘has to stop’

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-doctor-treated-dallas-cops-violence-stop-article-1.2707316

    “Black men dying and being forgotten. People retaliating against the people that are sworn to defend us. We have to come together and end all of this.”

    Williams said he remains hurt by the police killings last week of Alton Sterling, in Louisiana, and Philando Castile, in Minnesota.

    William said later he has a young daughter, and is already trying to teach her how to interact with law enforcement. When he sees officers in restaurants, Williams said, he’ll pick up their tabs.

    “The path forward involves focusing on how when we have to do what we do, and when you look down on someone who you are exploring in the operating room, we all look the same on the inside.”

    Black president who won Nobel prize: cliche sentiment
    Black actor who hosted academy awards: cliche joke
    Etc

    It occurred to me while reading this that the problem with The Talk is that it doesn’t take into account the truths of The Nurture Assumption: his daughter will learn how to act from her friend Shaniqua. This is also why Derb’s daughter remains a leftist, no doubt, despite The Talk black version.

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  • MC says:
    @Anonymous

    Unfortunately, the Mavs had made 49 straight free throws in game one, and the NBA sent Joey Crawford to make sure things went the Spurs’ way in game two. And he did.
     
    I don't follow the NBA closely enough to have a strong opinion on this, but I've heard complaints and criticisms for years now that the NBA manipulates games via officiating and other means to build up suspense and produce more competitive playoffs series. Is there serious merit to these allegations?

    Yes.

    The Zapruder film for this conspiracy is the 2006 NBA Finals. The Dallas Mavericks won the first two games behind Dirk Nowitzki at the height of his powers. Then the Heat, who appeared to be simply overmatched, ended up winning the last 4, primarily because any Dallas player who looked askance at Dwyane Wade was called for a foul during those 4 games.

    The common thread here is that David Stern, the NBA commish at the time, hated Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. I wouldn’t blame anyone for wondering if that was connected to the officiating.

    And I am not a Dallas fan, just a basketball fan with two working eyes.

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    • Replies: @Ron Mexico
    Possibly rigged. 3 games that I watched and blew my mind how bad the officiating was: 2000 Blazers vs. Lakers, game 7, 2002 Kings vs. Lakers, game 6 (this one is the gold standard), and as was pointed out, 2006 Heat vs. Mavs, game 5. Thinking back, and I am biased on this as a Pistons fan, I think the Pistons were jobbed in game 6 of the 88 finals against the Lakers on a phantom call against Laimbeer, sending Jabbar to the line to win the game. Who knows, though, because I generally think that NBA reffing is shitty, so those horrible calls and no-calls could have just been par for the course and not a conspiracy.

    Congrats to Tim Duncan on a stellar career. I figured he would retire after Pau Gasol signed with the Spurs.
    , @Paul Jolliffe
    You bet. You nailed the year - 2006. In the Eastern Conference finals, the Detroit Pistons had the league's best record and were shooting for their second title in three years (they beat the Lakers in 5 in 2004 and lost to the Spurs in 7 in 2005.)

    Every time Dwyane Wade drove to the hole, and I mean every time, the whistle blew and Wade got free throws. The Pistons were a great team, they moved the ball on offense, they played great team defense and they should have won. But no, the refs gave the series to the Heat with Wade and Shaq. Screw that. Most rigged NBA series ever. And it carried over into the finals against the Mavs.

    The Pistons had set an NBA record by holding five straight opponents under 70 points in a game. Five straight. Nobody could score on the Pistons until that Eastern Conference finals and the David Stern mandate that the Pistons could not be allowed back to the Finals for the third straight year.

    The hell with David Stern.
    , @jeremiahjohnbalaya
    The Zapruder film for this conspiracy is the 2006 NBA Finals.

    Yep. Not only did the Mavs get called for everything, but the Heat players were getting away with blatant stuff, particularly on the perimeter (like stepping underneath the feet of Mavs shooters).

    So, combine the fact that its rigged, with Timmy D retiring ... there really is no more reason to watch. At all.
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  • A lot to do is made of the fact that Duncan went to college for four years. However, he did graduate from high school at 17, a full year earlier than most American high schoolers. So he entered the league at 21, the same age as Michael Jordan. At the same time Duncan was coming into the league, by contrast you had guys like Kobe and Kevin Garnett coming in straight out of High School. Garnett was the one who kicked it off. He is often compared to Duncan – born the same year, same height, same position, similar stats. Even though he came in right out of high school in ’96, he was actually 20 years old his rookie season – only one year younger than Duncan was. Incidentally, Garnett is still in the league and says he will return next year – which will be his 21st season.

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    Garnett's a great player, but his joints have been wearing out for maybe 7 years now. All that jumping (and, worse, landing) takes its toll over time.

    On the other hand, maybe Duncan benefited from all the fundamentals he had drilled into him during his lengthy college career?

    Maybe Duncan's knees benefited from not playing too much as a teen, but being a swimmer instead?

    We don't think of teens' bodies as being stressed by basketball, especially not before they put on weight, but maybe year-round playing can take its toll on the knees and ankles the way being a star adolescent baseball pitcher can burn out an arm?

    Here are Duncan's nicknames:

    Timmy, The Big Fundamental, Groundhog Day, Old Man Riverwalk

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duncati01.html

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  • Duncan was a great player and a great public face of the NBA: quiet, gentlemanly, no scandals. Unfortunately, he came in during the “street ball”/steroid era of the NBA, and then Kobe really stole his thunder with his prima donna antics and the team up with Shaq and Phil. So his greatness wasn’t really the first thing you noticed about the NBA; he probably could have lured a lot more whites back to the game, if he’d been the league’s #1 face.

    It was also too bad for the NBA that Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona. I hope his outward persona reflected his inner personality as well, and we aren’t given a swerve in ten years like with OJ or Bill Cosby.

    That said, Duncan is an excellent example of how basketball really is an individual sport. The Celtics under Rick Pitino were banking on landing Duncan with the #1 pick, but the draft lottery kicked to San Antonio, and the Celtics didn’t get the franchise player he was. Duncan’s humble, team-first persona would have been a great fit in Boston.

    Once they lost out on Duncan, Pitino’s tenure was a disaster, and it took the Celtics a decade or more to be decent again. With Duncan, Pitino would have probably won the division or conference or the title and would have had a long career as big-name NBA coach.

    Basketball truly is an individual sport.

    Also, the NBA draft lottery is actually an admission by the NBA that they can’t stop teams or players from throwing games. So they just threw up their hands and just made it less of a lock that if you threw a season you got the #1. But the draft lottery plus Jordan’s double-secret suspension plus the fact that many players live paycheck to paycheck seem to point that the NBA probably has a lot more shady games than the news media is reporting.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    It was also too bad for the NBA that Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona."

    San Antonio is a small town? A better description would be a boring big city. The most boring big city in America.
    , @iSteveFan

    Duncan didn’t play in a bigger media city, but he preferred small-town San Antonio anyway, given his quiet persona.
     
    Why would this be? According to wiki, San Antonio is the 7th largest city in the nation. Why then is it so obscure?
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  • NHL officials and exec’s want Crosby and the Penguins to win every year, since he is the ‘face’ of the NHL. So yeah, the leagues screw around with it. Golden State was the victim this year.

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    • Replies: @pepperinmono
    The one game suspension of Green game 5 hurt Warriors a lot and was bullshit. LeBron was the initiator and aggressor; he should have got the only technical. Golden State choked more than Cleveland won the series.Curry and Thompson missed open threes galore. Maybe the laws of basketball haven't changed after all ?!

    The last few minutes of game 7 were brutal. Everyone was feeling the pressure bigtime. Don't remember seeing that before much.I thought Kyrie was MVP not LeBron . LeBron is incredible athlete but showed again he is better when he is not "the guy". More Scottie than Michael.

    Kerr got outcoached in game 7 as has been mentioned in press . Ezeli and Varejou were brutal on d and were left open on o and didn't do shit. Varejou got big playing time at end. Why? Thought Kerr might turn into Phil but now not so sure.

    Last point, Steve may be new SI curse.
    Curry took a dump after iSteve blog about him.
    , @tbraton
    "Golden State was the victim this year."

    GS was the victim after being the beneficiary of a very favorable ruling that kept Draymond Green in the OKC series with GS down 3 to 1. The league had much more justification for benching Green in the prior series than sitting him in the Cleveland series. I was happy to see it since I was rooting for LeBron and the Cavs all the way and was glad to see them win
    , @Njguy73

    NHL officials and exec’s want Crosby and the Penguins to win every year, since he is the ‘face’ of the NHL.
     
    If Gary Bettman tried to fix the NHL to favor the Penguins, they'd go 7-75.

    If he was Czar of Dump-Taking, the whole world would die of constipation.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @ben tillman

    Duncan’s low-key nature often kept him out of the spotlight, but the sheer force of his accomplishments pushes him onto just about every list of the greats.
     
    "Low-key" is right. I flew to SA for game two of the 2003 Western Conference Finals (which was the de facto NBA finals that year). Unfortunately, the Mavs had made 49 straight free throws in game one, and the NBA sent Joey Crawford to make sure things went the Spurs' way in game two. And he did.

    A few minutes into the second quarter, the Spurs were already 22-22 from the line, Crawford had called four technicals on the Mavs, and Dirk was on the bench with three fouls and a T.

    Anyway, the Spurs won easily. After the game, I went back to the hotel. I didn't have a car, so I walked across Loop 410 to my only option, a TGI Friday's. That's about as lame as it gets. There were maybe a dozen people there.

    And then maybe 10 minutes later, what do you know, Duncan walks in with a party of five and sits down at a table in the distant recesses of the restaurant.

    That's low-key.

    Unfortunately, the Mavs had made 49 straight free throws in game one, and the NBA sent Joey Crawford to make sure things went the Spurs’ way in game two. And he did.

    I don’t follow the NBA closely enough to have a strong opinion on this, but I’ve heard complaints and criticisms for years now that the NBA manipulates games via officiating and other means to build up suspense and produce more competitive playoffs series. Is there serious merit to these allegations?

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    Yes.

    The Zapruder film for this conspiracy is the 2006 NBA Finals. The Dallas Mavericks won the first two games behind Dirk Nowitzki at the height of his powers. Then the Heat, who appeared to be simply overmatched, ended up winning the last 4, primarily because any Dallas player who looked askance at Dwyane Wade was called for a foul during those 4 games.

    The common thread here is that David Stern, the NBA commish at the time, hated Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. I wouldn't blame anyone for wondering if that was connected to the officiating.

    And I am not a Dallas fan, just a basketball fan with two working eyes.
    , @Aristippus
    There's a former referee, Tim Donaghy, who claimed the NBA referees were instructed to favor the Lakers over the Kings during game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals and force a game 7. Donaghy however is not the most reliable source as he was also convicted of betting on games he officiated and deliberately making calls in order to affect the point spread. The NBA favors superstars, major market teams, and dramatic storylines, so it doesn't seem far fetched to think that the organization has a preferred way of games going.
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