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    The Donald Trump administration is planning to install a 30,000 strong armed “security force” in northern Syria along the borders with Turkey and Iraq. This presumably will tie together and support the remaining rag-tags of allegedly pro-democracy rebels and will fit in with existing and proposed U.S. bases. The maneuver is part of a broader...
  • @RobinG
    If they have H2B visas they're not illegal. Seasonal workers are well established everywhere. My first encounter was in 1970's, in central Massachusetts, where crews of Caribbean pickers came in for the apple harvest. With crops that require concentrated skilled labor in a short burst of time, the farmers can't rely on local teenagers, or whatever you think the alternative might be.

    Lilly-white Sterling was speckled with ebony in late summer. But you wouldn't know it if you didn't get out of town, because they stayed in bunkhouses. They also did some second-cut haying for the dairy farmers, while they were at it.

    “If they have H2B visas they’re not illegal.”

    True. Didn’t assert otherwise.

    “Seasonal workers are well established everywhere…”

    True, but not all are foreign. Public school teachers are seasonal. Why aren’t they foreign?

    Grew up on a farm. Peach-picking crews, contracted through a broker who handled off-site lodging and bought the crop. Good people. Worked well. Agriculture – with harvests lasting a matter of days – is one thing.

    Times have changed. Employers intentionally advertise jobs at low wages, find no American response, apply for H1B or H2B visas and import said labor. It’s often supplied by foreign sourcers that arrange US lodging, tax withholding, insurance, etc. Corporations save on wages, overhead and in-house training. Meanwhile recent American grads can’t find work. Lived in a high rise largely occupied by Indian IT contract workers paid 60% American wages, housing part of their contract on annual rotation.

    Trump campaigned on American jobs, MAGA. Doubled Mir-a-Lago entry to $200,000. Annual dues $14,000. He can’t afford American cooks, waiters and chamber maids for the season?

    “illegals tend his golf courses” was intended as sarcasm. On the other hand, Romney scandalously employed errant landscapers. Who knows?

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  • @iffen
    Rednecks are southerners but not all southerners are rednecks, presumably southern belles are not.

    Correct, the current year Peach Queen or Miss Magnolia Blossom will usually not be a redneck. The redneck would be the one with the vehicle without the muffler trying to drown out the band at the Miss Magnolia Blossom Parade.

    Cowboys live in the southwest and Midwest and they listen to country.

    In the 50’s it was called Country and Western. The Western seems to have been dropped at some point.

    Americana describes mid-west and southern culture?

    The migration pattern in the 19th century more or less flowed due west. The people from SC, GA, AL, KY, TN migrated to Arkansas, Texas, Missouri and Oklahoma. In the Depression they pushed on to the Golden State Promised Land, hence, Bakersfield.

    From Wiki:


    The Bakersfield sound was developed at honky-tonk bars[2] such as The Blackboard, and on local television stations in Bakersfield and throughout California in the 1950s and 1960s. The town, known mainly for agriculture and oil production, was the destination for many Dust Bowl migrants and others from Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and parts of the Midwest. The mass migration of "Okies" to California also meant their music would follow and thrive, finding an audience in California's Central Valley. One of the first groups to make it big on the west coast was the Maddox Brothers and Rose, who were the first to wear outlandish costumes and make a "show" out of their performances.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakersfield_sound

    I use the term redneck in a politically defensive way, at least that's what I'm trying to do.

    For understanding and entertainment on the subject, you can’t beat Jeff:

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+might+be+a+redneck&view=detail&mid=A2CB6182CE6E27C081D3A2CB6182CE6E27C081D3&FORM=VIRE

    So, country culture is basically redneck culture that moved west. would you say that redneck culture is more matriarchal than western country? Gretchen from Pocahontas differentiates between country and redneck women and much as I love Emmylou, next to Gretchen she does seem a bit like damp lettuce! UK liberals loathe anything country especially redneck. But could James O’Brien really fail to be impressed by Gretchen’s chutzpah, a quality he loves to tell us Brits we don’t have enough of. Are young women really more empowered by wandering around holding hands, with a vagina the size of a watermelon on top of their heads? Liberals seem to have got everything the wrong way round these days. lols

    I watched a documentary about music the other day. Some blue grass songs are virtually identical with folk songs from the NE of England, and Geordie women are also notorious for being lively (loud). Interestingly, the NE voted 61% for Brexit. Genes never change, ha!

    [Also, did you know your national anthem comes from a bawdy gentleman's club drinking song? It was called something like the Anaconda club but more greek sounding.]

    I may live out my life never having ridden a dirt bike, how cruel is that? You have sooo much space, no wonder India is coming…ha ha.

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  • @helena
    Aw. Perhaps you can help me understand something. How do all the different American cultures fit together? Rednecks are southerners but not all southerners are rednecks, presumably southern belles are not. Rednecks listen to country, indeed Nashville is in the redneck area, but rednecks aren't cowboys. Rednecks exist only in the rust belt? Cowboys live in the southwest and Midwest and they listen to country. Americana describes mid-west and southern culture? If not, what other term could be used, would it be just 'Country'? Can you see what I'm getting at? If red-state, flyover America was a venn diagram what would it look like?

    Rednecks are southerners but not all southerners are rednecks, presumably southern belles are not.

    Correct, the current year Peach Queen or Miss Magnolia Blossom will usually not be a redneck. The redneck would be the one with the vehicle without the muffler trying to drown out the band at the Miss Magnolia Blossom Parade.

    Cowboys live in the southwest and Midwest and they listen to country.

    In the 50’s it was called Country and Western. The Western seems to have been dropped at some point.

    Americana describes mid-west and southern culture?

    The migration pattern in the 19th century more or less flowed due west. The people from SC, GA, AL, KY, TN migrated to Arkansas, Texas, Missouri and Oklahoma. In the Depression they pushed on to the Golden State Promised Land, hence, Bakersfield.

    From Wiki:

    The Bakersfield sound was developed at honky-tonk bars[2] such as The Blackboard, and on local television stations in Bakersfield and throughout California in the 1950s and 1960s. The town, known mainly for agriculture and oil production, was the destination for many Dust Bowl migrants and others from Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and parts of the Midwest. The mass migration of “Okies” to California also meant their music would follow and thrive, finding an audience in California’s Central Valley. One of the first groups to make it big on the west coast was the Maddox Brothers and Rose, who were the first to wear outlandish costumes and make a “show” out of their performances.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakersfield_sound

    I use the term redneck in a politically defensive way, at least that’s what I’m trying to do.

    For understanding and entertainment on the subject, you can’t beat Jeff:

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+might+be+a+redneck&view=detail&mid=A2CB6182CE6E27C081D3A2CB6182CE6E27C081D3&FORM=VIRE

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    So, country culture is basically redneck culture that moved west. would you say that redneck culture is more matriarchal than western country? Gretchen from Pocahontas differentiates between country and redneck women and much as I love Emmylou, next to Gretchen she does seem a bit like damp lettuce! UK liberals loathe anything country especially redneck. But could James O'Brien really fail to be impressed by Gretchen's chutzpah, a quality he loves to tell us Brits we don't have enough of. Are young women really more empowered by wandering around holding hands, with a vagina the size of a watermelon on top of their heads? Liberals seem to have got everything the wrong way round these days. lols

    I watched a documentary about music the other day. Some blue grass songs are virtually identical with folk songs from the NE of England, and Geordie women are also notorious for being lively (loud). Interestingly, the NE voted 61% for Brexit. Genes never change, ha!

    [Also, did you know your national anthem comes from a bawdy gentleman's club drinking song? It was called something like the Anaconda club but more greek sounding.]

    I may live out my life never having ridden a dirt bike, how cruel is that? You have sooo much space, no wonder India is coming...ha ha.
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  • @iffen
    I shouldn’t have used the word racial

    I understand. It is one of the reasons that I try to avoid paragraphs; trying to herd the meanings of too many words at once is tricky. :)

    I quibble with the word coercion, more like propaganda. I think annoying, farcical, frustrating and resentful. I am resentful in the sense that the arrogance and power of the elites are on full display and I am frustrated because I want to fight it, but I do not see a good path forward. I think tedious and boring. I appreciate the promotion of the norm of racial tolerance, but 24/7? It is relentless, stifling and omnivorous. I can hardly breathe; they are sucking all of the oxygen out of the atmosphere. I am resentful of the fact that no commenter or writer can write about the tribulations of white working people without the endless chorus of, “Oh, but the blacks have it much worse.” Perhaps, but sometimes I wanna talk about me.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=country+music+song+i+want+to+talk+about+me&form=EDGEAR&qs=RI&cvid=5bb4b98882c1438c89acd61e1066ac82&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXK1c4IvZoNqPoPnS%21QRLOPKg4z7rgDyNa8xTb4mCk0GlCQfHB1XnCDJQxIfhx9h4ox5Krv%21bv36f4VwIueWWDVFjJh2K6Lx5m21FrPoFLWg

    We can leave the JQ to the side.

    Aw. Perhaps you can help me understand something. How do all the different American cultures fit together? Rednecks are southerners but not all southerners are rednecks, presumably southern belles are not. Rednecks listen to country, indeed Nashville is in the redneck area, but rednecks aren’t cowboys. Rednecks exist only in the rust belt? Cowboys live in the southwest and Midwest and they listen to country. Americana describes mid-west and southern culture? If not, what other term could be used, would it be just ‘Country’? Can you see what I’m getting at? If red-state, flyover America was a venn diagram what would it look like?

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    Rednecks are southerners but not all southerners are rednecks, presumably southern belles are not.

    Correct, the current year Peach Queen or Miss Magnolia Blossom will usually not be a redneck. The redneck would be the one with the vehicle without the muffler trying to drown out the band at the Miss Magnolia Blossom Parade.

    Cowboys live in the southwest and Midwest and they listen to country.

    In the 50’s it was called Country and Western. The Western seems to have been dropped at some point.

    Americana describes mid-west and southern culture?

    The migration pattern in the 19th century more or less flowed due west. The people from SC, GA, AL, KY, TN migrated to Arkansas, Texas, Missouri and Oklahoma. In the Depression they pushed on to the Golden State Promised Land, hence, Bakersfield.

    From Wiki:


    The Bakersfield sound was developed at honky-tonk bars[2] such as The Blackboard, and on local television stations in Bakersfield and throughout California in the 1950s and 1960s. The town, known mainly for agriculture and oil production, was the destination for many Dust Bowl migrants and others from Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, and parts of the Midwest. The mass migration of "Okies" to California also meant their music would follow and thrive, finding an audience in California's Central Valley. One of the first groups to make it big on the west coast was the Maddox Brothers and Rose, who were the first to wear outlandish costumes and make a "show" out of their performances.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakersfield_sound

    I use the term redneck in a politically defensive way, at least that's what I'm trying to do.

    For understanding and entertainment on the subject, you can’t beat Jeff:

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=you+might+be+a+redneck&view=detail&mid=A2CB6182CE6E27C081D3A2CB6182CE6E27C081D3&FORM=VIRE

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  • @helena
    Jesus! the second I ran out of editing time I realised what would happen and I nearly wrote an addendum. It's the coercion that is nauseating.

    You have descendents? Mazel tov! I agree completely with your own views. That's what I'm saying, people have a genetic tendency to marry people who look like them. It's no big surprise, surely. Mixed marriage causes additional challenges as does marrying into any culture different from one's own; class culture for instance. And one tends to want one's descendents not to make life complicated for themselves. But mixed race people are just as lovely as everyone else. It's the coercion, man!

    Well, if the cap fits. Soros is bankrolling open borders in Europe. He's ethnically Jewish but doesn't practice Judaism. Are his actions driven by his ethnicity? Dunno, but he's not spending his millions helping Africans to settle in Israel.

    Lord Doves or Dubbs is very keen to bring child refugees into the UK and his rationale seems to be kindertransport. But I fail to see the logic that just because the British liberated and took in Jewish refugees therefore it follows that Britain must take in other groups of refugees. So, since there's no real logic to his argument, why mention it when clearly it is difficult to argue against without being arrested for antisemitism?

    Also active in the open borders lobby are Irish-heritage people in UK.

    I shouldn’t have used the word racial

    I understand. It is one of the reasons that I try to avoid paragraphs; trying to herd the meanings of too many words at once is tricky. :)

    I quibble with the word coercion, more like propaganda. I think annoying, farcical, frustrating and resentful. I am resentful in the sense that the arrogance and power of the elites are on full display and I am frustrated because I want to fight it, but I do not see a good path forward. I think tedious and boring. I appreciate the promotion of the norm of racial tolerance, but 24/7? It is relentless, stifling and omnivorous. I can hardly breathe; they are sucking all of the oxygen out of the atmosphere. I am resentful of the fact that no commenter or writer can write about the tribulations of white working people without the endless chorus of, “Oh, but the blacks have it much worse.” Perhaps, but sometimes I wanna talk about me.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=country+music+song+i+want+to+talk+about+me&form=EDGEAR&qs=RI&cvid=5bb4b98882c1438c89acd61e1066ac82&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXK1c4IvZoNqPoPnS%21QRLOPKg4z7rgDyNa8xTb4mCk0GlCQfHB1XnCDJQxIfhx9h4ox5Krv%21bv36f4VwIueWWDVFjJh2K6Lx5m21FrPoFLWg

    We can leave the JQ to the side.

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    Aw. Perhaps you can help me understand something. How do all the different American cultures fit together? Rednecks are southerners but not all southerners are rednecks, presumably southern belles are not. Rednecks listen to country, indeed Nashville is in the redneck area, but rednecks aren't cowboys. Rednecks exist only in the rust belt? Cowboys live in the southwest and Midwest and they listen to country. Americana describes mid-west and southern culture? If not, what other term could be used, would it be just 'Country'? Can you see what I'm getting at? If red-state, flyover America was a venn diagram what would it look like?
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  • @iffen
    “the time for ethnostates has passed”

    Alt-right movements disagree, e.g. Richard Spencer:

    Not to mention Israel, Myanmar, Japan, China, etc., etc.

    I think you are making this argument against racial purity against a straw man, or straw woman, as the case may be.

    Ditto the word purity. I don’t use that word but I was replying to someone who did so I just went with it. But obviously, purity is a value whereas what we are discussing is homogeneity which is just a thing not a value.

    But if the deal is that, endogamy is baad, then fine, it’s bad for everyone not just Europeans, n’est-ce pas?

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  • @helena
    Jesus! the second I ran out of editing time I realised what would happen and I nearly wrote an addendum. It's the coercion that is nauseating.

    You have descendents? Mazel tov! I agree completely with your own views. That's what I'm saying, people have a genetic tendency to marry people who look like them. It's no big surprise, surely. Mixed marriage causes additional challenges as does marrying into any culture different from one's own; class culture for instance. And one tends to want one's descendents not to make life complicated for themselves. But mixed race people are just as lovely as everyone else. It's the coercion, man!

    Well, if the cap fits. Soros is bankrolling open borders in Europe. He's ethnically Jewish but doesn't practice Judaism. Are his actions driven by his ethnicity? Dunno, but he's not spending his millions helping Africans to settle in Israel.

    Lord Doves or Dubbs is very keen to bring child refugees into the UK and his rationale seems to be kindertransport. But I fail to see the logic that just because the British liberated and took in Jewish refugees therefore it follows that Britain must take in other groups of refugees. So, since there's no real logic to his argument, why mention it when clearly it is difficult to argue against without being arrested for antisemitism?

    Also active in the open borders lobby are Irish-heritage people in UK.

    Dunno, but he’s not spending his millions helping Africans to settle in Israel.

    Maybe he is helping fund the cash payments to those Africans in Israel that agree to voluntary repatriation. :)

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  • @iffen
    “the time for ethnostates has passed”

    Alt-right movements disagree, e.g. Richard Spencer:

    Not to mention Israel, Myanmar, Japan, China, etc., etc.

    I think you are making this argument against racial purity against a straw man, or straw woman, as the case may be.

    I shouldn’t have used the word racial; it’s a trigger word. Generally, I stick to the word ethnic/ethnicity.

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  • @RobinG
    Are you asserting there's more (greater %) symmetry among "pure" monocultures? Proof?

    Am I asserting? What is you proof?

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  • @iffen
    really recent, obligatory presentation of mixed marriage in adverts and dramas is nauseating.

    Yes, it is recent, but I don’t see how you get nauseating out of it. You did say, “I don’t object to people mating with whomever they want.”

    I am conflicted on the subject, which is one of the reasons I posted the comment about Razib’s post.I did not, and do not want my descendants to marry outside of the white race, but I don’t have any revulsion toward such pairings or toward mixed race people. And should some of my descendants marry a non-white, I will adjust and would not make a difference between them and any of their children as opposed to the others.

    Is it not the case that some agencies are responsible for these ideas?

    I have come to believe that the seeds of destruction are contained within liberal democracy.

    Jews are not trying to destroy us. (Well, maybe a couple of them are.)

    Jesus! the second I ran out of editing time I realised what would happen and I nearly wrote an addendum. It’s the coercion that is nauseating.

    You have descendents? Mazel tov! I agree completely with your own views. That’s what I’m saying, people have a genetic tendency to marry people who look like them. It’s no big surprise, surely. Mixed marriage causes additional challenges as does marrying into any culture different from one’s own; class culture for instance. And one tends to want one’s descendents not to make life complicated for themselves. But mixed race people are just as lovely as everyone else. It’s the coercion, man!

    Well, if the cap fits. Soros is bankrolling open borders in Europe. He’s ethnically Jewish but doesn’t practice Judaism. Are his actions driven by his ethnicity? Dunno, but he’s not spending his millions helping Africans to settle in Israel.

    Lord Doves or Dubbs is very keen to bring child refugees into the UK and his rationale seems to be kindertransport. But I fail to see the logic that just because the British liberated and took in Jewish refugees therefore it follows that Britain must take in other groups of refugees. So, since there’s no real logic to his argument, why mention it when clearly it is difficult to argue against without being arrested for antisemitism?

    Also active in the open borders lobby are Irish-heritage people in UK.

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    Dunno, but he’s not spending his millions helping Africans to settle in Israel.

    Maybe he is helping fund the cash payments to those Africans in Israel that agree to voluntary repatriation. :)
    , @iffen
    I shouldn’t have used the word racial

    I understand. It is one of the reasons that I try to avoid paragraphs; trying to herd the meanings of too many words at once is tricky. :)

    I quibble with the word coercion, more like propaganda. I think annoying, farcical, frustrating and resentful. I am resentful in the sense that the arrogance and power of the elites are on full display and I am frustrated because I want to fight it, but I do not see a good path forward. I think tedious and boring. I appreciate the promotion of the norm of racial tolerance, but 24/7? It is relentless, stifling and omnivorous. I can hardly breathe; they are sucking all of the oxygen out of the atmosphere. I am resentful of the fact that no commenter or writer can write about the tribulations of white working people without the endless chorus of, “Oh, but the blacks have it much worse.” Perhaps, but sometimes I wanna talk about me.

    https://www.bing.com/search?q=country+music+song+i+want+to+talk+about+me&form=EDGEAR&qs=RI&cvid=5bb4b98882c1438c89acd61e1066ac82&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXK1c4IvZoNqPoPnS%21QRLOPKg4z7rgDyNa8xTb4mCk0GlCQfHB1XnCDJQxIfhx9h4ox5Krv%21bv36f4VwIueWWDVFjJh2K6Lx5m21FrPoFLWg

    We can leave the JQ to the side.

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  • @Incitatus
    "…groups emerge and spread out only to be replaced some time later by another group emerging and spreading out…"

    Seems natural, like star/planet or family/dynasty lifecycles. Divinity test-marketing a new product?

    "The only pure breds nowadays are going to be in places like the Amazon"

    What's the advantage of such purity? Amazonian tribes aren't known for much. Suppose that may change if we immolate ourselves in nuclear conflict (hopefully after a good parade).

    The bon sauvage warranted little envy. Just as busy knocking each other off as Europeans. Ritualized torture, occasional cannibalism, mourning wars to replenish tribal ranks. 'Black Robe' is a pretty accurate film portrayal of Canadian interaction circa 1635.

    "the 'mongrel' label dished out for west europeans is less accurate in west europe than it is for places where people insist they have racial purity."

    Who claims racial purity? Is it a status thing, like kennel club blessing?

    Sounds like snobbish peerage organizations. Vestigial vanity. Future researchers will surely conclude two social classes - hedge fund managers (taxed at a lower rate) and everyone else.

    The DNA test, heavily advertised as a genealogical Christmas gift, seems increasingly popular. Quick and easy, just like fast food. Less arduous than tracing generations, especially when records are scarce. TVs 'Finding Your Roots' finds celebrity antecedents. Few reach beyond five generations. Americans express little interest in more. Seem satisfied with a pie chart of distant origins.

    "the time for ethnostates has passed"

    Alt-right movements disagree, e.g. Richard Spencer:

    "The ideal I advocate is the creation of a White Ethno-State on the North American continent… For us, it is conquer or die. This is a unique burden for the white man, that our fate is entirely in our hands."
     
    Dick openly embraces the Third Reich. Which, of course, pined for Aryan statehood. Did their best. Nothing quite as comedic as racial purity tests on the likes of Himmler. If memory serves, they wisely limited inquiry to three generations.

    "…the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status. And this breeds resentment which creates ethnocentrism…"

    US history teams with emigration polarity. Economic growth vs social franchise. Change vs status quo. Love vs hate. Resentment galore. Currently justified by millions here illegally, a political issue both parties treat with excessive hypocrisy. Trump was smart enough to break the silence taboo, probably owes his victory to it. Two of three wives are migrants, but none begrudge affairs of the heart.

    Fact is, the business lobby demands labor dominance and wage constraint. Corporate feudalism? Migrants, especially illegal, are perfect serfs. The threat of deportation is a wonderful productivity tool, smothers wayward thoughts of asking for a raise. Depresses wages for everyone.

    Trump? He's applied for 70 H2B visas for Mir-a-Lago. An increase over last year. Just couldn't find American workers. Wonder how many illegals tend his golf courses?

    If they have H2B visas they’re not illegal. Seasonal workers are well established everywhere. My first encounter was in 1970′s, in central Massachusetts, where crews of Caribbean pickers came in for the apple harvest. With crops that require concentrated skilled labor in a short burst of time, the farmers can’t rely on local teenagers, or whatever you think the alternative might be.

    Lilly-white Sterling was speckled with ebony in late summer. But you wouldn’t know it if you didn’t get out of town, because they stayed in bunkhouses. They also did some second-cut haying for the dairy farmers, while they were at it.

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    "If they have H2B visas they're not illegal."
     
    True. Didn't assert otherwise.

    "Seasonal workers are well established everywhere…"
     
    True, but not all are foreign. Public school teachers are seasonal. Why aren't they foreign?

    Grew up on a farm. Peach-picking crews, contracted through a broker who handled off-site lodging and bought the crop. Good people. Worked well. Agriculture - with harvests lasting a matter of days - is one thing.

    Times have changed. Employers intentionally advertise jobs at low wages, find no American response, apply for H1B or H2B visas and import said labor. It's often supplied by foreign sourcers that arrange US lodging, tax withholding, insurance, etc. Corporations save on wages, overhead and in-house training. Meanwhile recent American grads can't find work. Lived in a high rise largely occupied by Indian IT contract workers paid 60% American wages, housing part of their contract on annual rotation.

    Trump campaigned on American jobs, MAGA. Doubled Mir-a-Lago entry to $200,000. Annual dues $14,000. He can't afford American cooks, waiters and chamber maids for the season?

    "illegals tend his golf courses" was intended as sarcasm. On the other hand, Romney scandalously employed errant landscapers. Who knows?
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  • @Incitatus
    "I think you are making this argument against racial purity against a straw man, or straw woman, as the case may be."
    Moi? Neither for or against. Just think the ship sailed long ago.

    I'd wager most Americans don't know or care beyond three or four generations who begat them. Make's it difficult to form a genuinely 'pure' race state?

    "…hours-long debate and comments from the public about the true meaning of the Confederate flag."
    Speaking of meetings gladly avoided…

    Neither for or against.

    Then you continue.

    Make’s it difficult to form a genuinely ‘pure’ race state?

    Speaking of meetings gladly avoided…

    Not a fan of diversity?

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  • @iffen
    “the time for ethnostates has passed”

    Alt-right movements disagree, e.g. Richard Spencer:

    Not to mention Israel, Myanmar, Japan, China, etc., etc.

    I think you are making this argument against racial purity against a straw man, or straw woman, as the case may be.

    “I think you are making this argument against racial purity against a straw man, or straw woman, as the case may be.”
    Moi? Neither for or against. Just think the ship sailed long ago.

    I’d wager most Americans don’t know or care beyond three or four generations who begat them. Make’s it difficult to form a genuinely ‘pure’ race state?

    “…hours-long debate and comments from the public about the true meaning of the Confederate flag.”
    Speaking of meetings gladly avoided…

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    Neither for or against.

    Then you continue.

    Make’s it difficult to form a genuinely ‘pure’ race state?

    Speaking of meetings gladly avoided…

    Not a fan of diversity?
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  • @helena
    Corporate feudalism?
    Yes I think that is what is going on.

    pined for Aryan statehood.
    My 93yr old mother tells how she feared being turned into an Aryan breeder if Germany won. But happen she produced 9 grandchildren and 8 greatgrandchildren (and counting) anyway :)

    What’s the advantage of such purity?
    Symmetry
    http://assets.geo.de/div/image/62676/06-piraha-popup.jpg

    Corporate feudalism?
    “Yes I think that is what is going on.”
    Guillotines anyone?

    “…she feared being turned into an Aryan breeder if Germany won. But…produced 9 grandchildren and 8 greatgrandchildren (and counting) anyway.”
    But are they blond and blue-eyed like the Führer?

    What’s the advantage of such purity?
    “Symmetry”
    Overrated? On second thought, you may have a point.

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  • @Incitatus
    "…groups emerge and spread out only to be replaced some time later by another group emerging and spreading out…"

    Seems natural, like star/planet or family/dynasty lifecycles. Divinity test-marketing a new product?

    "The only pure breds nowadays are going to be in places like the Amazon"

    What's the advantage of such purity? Amazonian tribes aren't known for much. Suppose that may change if we immolate ourselves in nuclear conflict (hopefully after a good parade).

    The bon sauvage warranted little envy. Just as busy knocking each other off as Europeans. Ritualized torture, occasional cannibalism, mourning wars to replenish tribal ranks. 'Black Robe' is a pretty accurate film portrayal of Canadian interaction circa 1635.

    "the 'mongrel' label dished out for west europeans is less accurate in west europe than it is for places where people insist they have racial purity."

    Who claims racial purity? Is it a status thing, like kennel club blessing?

    Sounds like snobbish peerage organizations. Vestigial vanity. Future researchers will surely conclude two social classes - hedge fund managers (taxed at a lower rate) and everyone else.

    The DNA test, heavily advertised as a genealogical Christmas gift, seems increasingly popular. Quick and easy, just like fast food. Less arduous than tracing generations, especially when records are scarce. TVs 'Finding Your Roots' finds celebrity antecedents. Few reach beyond five generations. Americans express little interest in more. Seem satisfied with a pie chart of distant origins.

    "the time for ethnostates has passed"

    Alt-right movements disagree, e.g. Richard Spencer:

    "The ideal I advocate is the creation of a White Ethno-State on the North American continent… For us, it is conquer or die. This is a unique burden for the white man, that our fate is entirely in our hands."
     
    Dick openly embraces the Third Reich. Which, of course, pined for Aryan statehood. Did their best. Nothing quite as comedic as racial purity tests on the likes of Himmler. If memory serves, they wisely limited inquiry to three generations.

    "…the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status. And this breeds resentment which creates ethnocentrism…"

    US history teams with emigration polarity. Economic growth vs social franchise. Change vs status quo. Love vs hate. Resentment galore. Currently justified by millions here illegally, a political issue both parties treat with excessive hypocrisy. Trump was smart enough to break the silence taboo, probably owes his victory to it. Two of three wives are migrants, but none begrudge affairs of the heart.

    Fact is, the business lobby demands labor dominance and wage constraint. Corporate feudalism? Migrants, especially illegal, are perfect serfs. The threat of deportation is a wonderful productivity tool, smothers wayward thoughts of asking for a raise. Depresses wages for everyone.

    Trump? He's applied for 70 H2B visas for Mir-a-Lago. An increase over last year. Just couldn't find American workers. Wonder how many illegals tend his golf courses?

    “the time for ethnostates has passed”

    Alt-right movements disagree, e.g. Richard Spencer:

    Not to mention Israel, Myanmar, Japan, China, etc., etc.

    I think you are making this argument against racial purity against a straw man, or straw woman, as the case may be.

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    "I think you are making this argument against racial purity against a straw man, or straw woman, as the case may be."
    Moi? Neither for or against. Just think the ship sailed long ago.

    I'd wager most Americans don't know or care beyond three or four generations who begat them. Make's it difficult to form a genuinely 'pure' race state?

    "…hours-long debate and comments from the public about the true meaning of the Confederate flag."
    Speaking of meetings gladly avoided…
    , @helena
    I shouldn't have used the word racial; it's a trigger word. Generally, I stick to the word ethnic/ethnicity.
    , @helena
    Ditto the word purity. I don't use that word but I was replying to someone who did so I just went with it. But obviously, purity is a value whereas what we are discussing is homogeneity which is just a thing not a value.

    But if the deal is that, endogamy is baad, then fine, it's bad for everyone not just Europeans, n'est-ce pas?
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  • @helena
    Corporate feudalism?
    Yes I think that is what is going on.

    pined for Aryan statehood.
    My 93yr old mother tells how she feared being turned into an Aryan breeder if Germany won. But happen she produced 9 grandchildren and 8 greatgrandchildren (and counting) anyway :)

    What’s the advantage of such purity?
    Symmetry
    http://assets.geo.de/div/image/62676/06-piraha-popup.jpg

    Are you asserting there’s more (greater %) symmetry among “pure” monocultures? Proof?

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    Am I asserting? What is you proof?
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  • @Incitatus
    "The only good Injun is a dead Injun. uniform"

    "Smoking is good for you." Uniform (Indian revenge)

    "A Scottish trader on the frontier trying to break into the fur trade. Diversity"

    A French négociant descends the Mississippi, settles at Fort Louis de la Louisiane (Mobile AL) 1702. Diversity

    A French négociant descends the Mississippi, settles at Fort Louis de la Louisiane (Mobile AL) 1702. Diversity

    http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2015/07/mobile_abandons_six_flags_on_c.html

    Local lawmakers agreed Tuesday to take all flags off the city seal, leaving on the flag of the United States and the emblem. Six Mobile City Council members voted to approve the measure after an hours-long debate and comments from the public about the true meaning of the Confederate flag.

    Diversity for me, none for you.

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  • @helena
    Then why do you seemingly have prospective nostalgia
    Because left to our own devices and desires not many people would. But this, and it's really recent, obligatory presentation of mixed marriage in adverts and dramas is nauseating.

    1) the elites will not live on the rez
    Haven't they got their own rez/gated communities?

    And it seems that you blame “them” for this.
    Is it not the case that some agencies are responsible for these ideas? What happened to Truth to Power? Mainly I think the popularity of Marxism and Einsteinism both have a lot to answer for. Year Zero applied to organic culture - 'Human Rights' is deliberately so labelled to replace the notion of Human Nature, yet only society can confer such 'rights'. (The origin I assume but don't know, is Amartya Sen's coining of the term Entitlements). Relativism applied to a Newtonian world has all but destroyed the concept of Criteria; leftists and unliberals just love spurious comparisons and selective statistics.

    hell on wheels
    Yeah, talk about putting the grr in migrration!
    http://images.amcnetworks.com/blogs.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/HOW-S02-Cast.jpg

    really recent, obligatory presentation of mixed marriage in adverts and dramas is nauseating.

    Yes, it is recent, but I don’t see how you get nauseating out of it. You did say, “I don’t object to people mating with whomever they want.”

    I am conflicted on the subject, which is one of the reasons I posted the comment about Razib’s post.I did not, and do not want my descendants to marry outside of the white race, but I don’t have any revulsion toward such pairings or toward mixed race people. And should some of my descendants marry a non-white, I will adjust and would not make a difference between them and any of their children as opposed to the others.

    Is it not the case that some agencies are responsible for these ideas?

    I have come to believe that the seeds of destruction are contained within liberal democracy.

    Jews are not trying to destroy us. (Well, maybe a couple of them are.)

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    Jesus! the second I ran out of editing time I realised what would happen and I nearly wrote an addendum. It's the coercion that is nauseating.

    You have descendents? Mazel tov! I agree completely with your own views. That's what I'm saying, people have a genetic tendency to marry people who look like them. It's no big surprise, surely. Mixed marriage causes additional challenges as does marrying into any culture different from one's own; class culture for instance. And one tends to want one's descendents not to make life complicated for themselves. But mixed race people are just as lovely as everyone else. It's the coercion, man!

    Well, if the cap fits. Soros is bankrolling open borders in Europe. He's ethnically Jewish but doesn't practice Judaism. Are his actions driven by his ethnicity? Dunno, but he's not spending his millions helping Africans to settle in Israel.

    Lord Doves or Dubbs is very keen to bring child refugees into the UK and his rationale seems to be kindertransport. But I fail to see the logic that just because the British liberated and took in Jewish refugees therefore it follows that Britain must take in other groups of refugees. So, since there's no real logic to his argument, why mention it when clearly it is difficult to argue against without being arrested for antisemitism?

    Also active in the open borders lobby are Irish-heritage people in UK.
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  • @iffen
    … anyway I don’t object to people mating with whomever they want.

    Then why do you seemingly have prospective nostalgia for the last N. European in the Baltics two hundred years from now?

    The question is what sort of culture and civilization will we have going forward? The Bantustan option will not work because 1) the elites will not live on the rez, and 2) the elites are responsible for the current decline. They have already decided that a peon is a peon, is a peon, is a peon. Only the simple-minded and unaware look to the elites for help.

    But the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status.

    Yes. When I listen to the latest NPR story about some left-handed, androgynous “refugee” encountering difficulties scamming the Rube Goldberg welfare bureaucracy, I think, “Yeah, and there are 10,000 rednecks whose mining jobs have disappeared along with his chance at a “normal” life for every one of these.”

    I conclude therefore that multiculturalism was quite specifically introduced, in order to create such a defensive reaction, as a strategy to ultimately lead ...

    And it seems that you blame "them" for this.


    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
     
    We had a great run; hell on wheels while it lasted.

    O Constantine, Constantine! wherefore art thou Constantine?

    Then why do you seemingly have prospective nostalgia
    Because left to our own devices and desires not many people would. But this, and it’s really recent, obligatory presentation of mixed marriage in adverts and dramas is nauseating.

    1) the elites will not live on the rez
    Haven’t they got their own rez/gated communities?

    And it seems that you blame “them” for this.
    Is it not the case that some agencies are responsible for these ideas? What happened to Truth to Power? Mainly I think the popularity of Marxism and Einsteinism both have a lot to answer for. Year Zero applied to organic culture – ‘Human Rights’ is deliberately so labelled to replace the notion of Human Nature, yet only society can confer such ‘rights’. (The origin I assume but don’t know, is Amartya Sen’s coining of the term Entitlements). Relativism applied to a Newtonian world has all but destroyed the concept of Criteria; leftists and unliberals just love spurious comparisons and selective statistics.

    hell on wheels
    Yeah, talk about putting the grr in migrration!

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    really recent, obligatory presentation of mixed marriage in adverts and dramas is nauseating.

    Yes, it is recent, but I don’t see how you get nauseating out of it. You did say, “I don’t object to people mating with whomever they want.”

    I am conflicted on the subject, which is one of the reasons I posted the comment about Razib’s post.I did not, and do not want my descendants to marry outside of the white race, but I don’t have any revulsion toward such pairings or toward mixed race people. And should some of my descendants marry a non-white, I will adjust and would not make a difference between them and any of their children as opposed to the others.

    Is it not the case that some agencies are responsible for these ideas?

    I have come to believe that the seeds of destruction are contained within liberal democracy.

    Jews are not trying to destroy us. (Well, maybe a couple of them are.)

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  • @Incitatus

    "Even better…Our faith. Their faith…Crusaders."
     
    Best: Deus vult!

    "For you, a simple test…Assuming you are Caucasian American go and live in "minority" part of the city…Preferably populated by African Americans."
     
    Twenty-five years in such in US. Lived in KSA, Europe. Travel throughout ME. Etc. Your point?

    "Well, for Nazi Germany, it wasn't actually a mob rule."
     
    The mob was essential in the violent struggle leading to dictatorship. NSDAP vs. KPT, SPD, others. SA were little more than a violent, organized mob seeking scapegoats. The Enabling Act (24 Mar 1933) killed Weimar. Wouldn't have happened sans mob violence. Though scarcer, it continued when useful to the régime. Operation Hummingbird (1934). Anschluß, Sudeten Crisis, Kristallnacht (1938). Crowds at party pageants were impressive demonstrations of the tamed beast.

    "scientific approach to genocide. Not only Jews, mind you."
     
    Not all that scientific. Plenty of room for improvement over initial Einsatzgruppe methods. Mass shooting is laborious and all too public. Starvation was a low-tech solution that worked well enough - just ask 3.8 million dead Soviet POWs. Clever entrepreneurs (many of whom were Freikorp veterans) were promoted. Their "scientific" bit started with Aktion T4. And yes, many were invited to the party (not just Jews).

    "Like….break of law and order in megacities and colored mobs with blunt and bladed weapons…..at least. Full of rage and easy to choose a target. I guess it's easy to predict what target would be the easiest to pick up."
     
    You don't happen to write 'Mad Max' movie scripts, do you?

    Your point?

    with

    You don’t happen to write ‘Mad Max’ movie scripts, do you?

    That was just a little bit sooner than expected.
    Enjoy.

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  • @Incitatus
    "…groups emerge and spread out only to be replaced some time later by another group emerging and spreading out…"

    Seems natural, like star/planet or family/dynasty lifecycles. Divinity test-marketing a new product?

    "The only pure breds nowadays are going to be in places like the Amazon"

    What's the advantage of such purity? Amazonian tribes aren't known for much. Suppose that may change if we immolate ourselves in nuclear conflict (hopefully after a good parade).

    The bon sauvage warranted little envy. Just as busy knocking each other off as Europeans. Ritualized torture, occasional cannibalism, mourning wars to replenish tribal ranks. 'Black Robe' is a pretty accurate film portrayal of Canadian interaction circa 1635.

    "the 'mongrel' label dished out for west europeans is less accurate in west europe than it is for places where people insist they have racial purity."

    Who claims racial purity? Is it a status thing, like kennel club blessing?

    Sounds like snobbish peerage organizations. Vestigial vanity. Future researchers will surely conclude two social classes - hedge fund managers (taxed at a lower rate) and everyone else.

    The DNA test, heavily advertised as a genealogical Christmas gift, seems increasingly popular. Quick and easy, just like fast food. Less arduous than tracing generations, especially when records are scarce. TVs 'Finding Your Roots' finds celebrity antecedents. Few reach beyond five generations. Americans express little interest in more. Seem satisfied with a pie chart of distant origins.

    "the time for ethnostates has passed"

    Alt-right movements disagree, e.g. Richard Spencer:

    "The ideal I advocate is the creation of a White Ethno-State on the North American continent… For us, it is conquer or die. This is a unique burden for the white man, that our fate is entirely in our hands."
     
    Dick openly embraces the Third Reich. Which, of course, pined for Aryan statehood. Did their best. Nothing quite as comedic as racial purity tests on the likes of Himmler. If memory serves, they wisely limited inquiry to three generations.

    "…the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status. And this breeds resentment which creates ethnocentrism…"

    US history teams with emigration polarity. Economic growth vs social franchise. Change vs status quo. Love vs hate. Resentment galore. Currently justified by millions here illegally, a political issue both parties treat with excessive hypocrisy. Trump was smart enough to break the silence taboo, probably owes his victory to it. Two of three wives are migrants, but none begrudge affairs of the heart.

    Fact is, the business lobby demands labor dominance and wage constraint. Corporate feudalism? Migrants, especially illegal, are perfect serfs. The threat of deportation is a wonderful productivity tool, smothers wayward thoughts of asking for a raise. Depresses wages for everyone.

    Trump? He's applied for 70 H2B visas for Mir-a-Lago. An increase over last year. Just couldn't find American workers. Wonder how many illegals tend his golf courses?

    Corporate feudalism?
    Yes I think that is what is going on.

    pined for Aryan statehood.
    My 93yr old mother tells how she feared being turned into an Aryan breeder if Germany won. But happen she produced 9 grandchildren and 8 greatgrandchildren (and counting) anyway :)

    What’s the advantage of such purity?
    Symmetry

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    Are you asserting there's more (greater %) symmetry among "pure" monocultures? Proof?
    , @Incitatus
    Corporate feudalism?
    "Yes I think that is what is going on."
    Guillotines anyone?

    "…she feared being turned into an Aryan breeder if Germany won. But…produced 9 grandchildren and 8 greatgrandchildren (and counting) anyway."
    But are they blond and blue-eyed like the Führer?

    What's the advantage of such purity?
    "Symmetry"
    Overrated? On second thought, you may have a point.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9kaQZCegfY
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  • @iffen
    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse?

    Depends on one’s definition? Metric? Subjective?

    "The only good Injun is a dead Injun." uniform

    A Scottish trader on the frontier trying to break into the fur trade. diversity

    “The only good Injun is a dead Injun. uniform”

    “Smoking is good for you.” Uniform (Indian revenge)

    “A Scottish trader on the frontier trying to break into the fur trade. Diversity”

    A French négociant descends the Mississippi, settles at Fort Louis de la Louisiane (Mobile AL) 1702. Diversity

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    A French négociant descends the Mississippi, settles at Fort Louis de la Louisiane (Mobile AL) 1702. Diversity

    http://www.al.com/news/mobile/index.ssf/2015/07/mobile_abandons_six_flags_on_c.html

    Local lawmakers agreed Tuesday to take all flags off the city seal, leaving on the flag of the United States and the emblem. Six Mobile City Council members voted to approve the measure after an hours-long debate and comments from the public about the true meaning of the Confederate flag.
     
    Diversity for me, none for you.
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  • @peterAUS

    Who is “other”? Isn’t that the question?
     
    No simpler question.

    Our cave....other cave.
    Our settlement....other settlement.

    Getting better.
    Our kingdom....their kingdom.
    Around Babylon.

    Even better.
    Our faith. Their faith.
    Crusaders.

    Or the best.
    My ideology. Your ideology (or lack of my ideology).
    Etc.

    For you, a simple test.
    Assuming you are Caucasian American go and live in "minority" part of the city. Preferably populated by African Americans.

    Well, for Nazi Germany, it wasn't actually a mob rule. History, true.A scientific approach to genocide.Not only Jews, mind you.
    Not even sure has it been the most efficient. Pol Pot was quite efficient. Probably the most efficient were Hutus with Tutsis.
    And that is something nobody pays too much attention to.
    Like....break of law and order in megacities and colored mobs with blunt and bladed weapons.....at least. Full of rage and easy to choose a target. I guess it's easy to predict what target would be the easiest to pick up.

    “Even better…Our faith. Their faith…Crusaders.”

    Best: Deus vult!

    “For you, a simple test…Assuming you are Caucasian American go and live in “minority” part of the city…Preferably populated by African Americans.”

    Twenty-five years in such in US. Lived in KSA, Europe. Travel throughout ME. Etc. Your point?

    “Well, for Nazi Germany, it wasn’t actually a mob rule.”

    The mob was essential in the violent struggle leading to dictatorship. NSDAP vs. KPT, SPD, others. SA were little more than a violent, organized mob seeking scapegoats. The Enabling Act (24 Mar 1933) killed Weimar. Wouldn’t have happened sans mob violence. Though scarcer, it continued when useful to the régime. Operation Hummingbird (1934). Anschluß, Sudeten Crisis, Kristallnacht (1938). Crowds at party pageants were impressive demonstrations of the tamed beast.

    “scientific approach to genocide. Not only Jews, mind you.”

    Not all that scientific. Plenty of room for improvement over initial Einsatzgruppe methods. Mass shooting is laborious and all too public. Starvation was a low-tech solution that worked well enough – just ask 3.8 million dead Soviet POWs. Clever entrepreneurs (many of whom were Freikorp veterans) were promoted. Their “scientific” bit started with Aktion T4. And yes, many were invited to the party (not just Jews).

    “Like….break of law and order in megacities and colored mobs with blunt and bladed weapons…..at least. Full of rage and easy to choose a target. I guess it’s easy to predict what target would be the easiest to pick up.”

    You don’t happen to write ‘Mad Max’ movie scripts, do you?

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    Your point?
     
    with

    You don’t happen to write ‘Mad Max’ movie scripts, do you?
     
    That was just a little bit sooner than expected.
    Enjoy.
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  • @helena
    Where do the Norse fit in? They pop up everywhere by 11C.

    First, I should apologise for making the sweeping claim to being a biologist. I've spent as much time doing up houses as teaching biology but my first degree and love was human biology and I've spent several years trying to digest the masses of info on archaeogenetic blogs.

    My single point really is this - modern humans didn't appear all at once and it seems that each group that emerged differed in some respects from the last. By looking at the spread of haplogroups (hg), the overwhelming impression I get is that groups emerge and spread out only to be replaced some time later by another group emerging and spreading out. So, as an example, haplogroup I is found in Scandinavia but less so in west Europe. West and East Europe are dominated by R. But we know Ihg emerged much earlier and travelled north from the Caucasus. What R does then, is move in from the East at the top of Europe and cuts I off in the north and south. And the same pattern can be found with D, C and O. C is found in Mongolia and Australia, D is found in Tibet and Japan. So it looks like O swept in and pushed D and C to the margins. You can see my ideas here but I agree my work is more of a scrapbook than peer-reviewed 'science'. https://culturalandscape.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/circles-in-a-spiral-2/ https://culturalandscape.wordpress.com/about-2/geographic-ancestry/

    Norsemen are found all over because they were all over and then their dominance waned. So I think the process is the same but 11C is a long time after Ihg came to Europe 40kya so of course in the meantime several groups had already merged. The only pure breds nowadays are going to be in places like the Amazon. But some groups like west europeans and chinese have a very high percentage of one or other haplogroup.

    I've just watched Maltese, a detective set in Sicily. One of the cops is called the Norman because Sicilians are very aware of their varied backgrounds and its a good place to observe people and see the different migratory influences coming together to create a shared culture and history. But my main gripe is that the 'mongrel' label dished out for west europeans is less accurate in west europe than it is for places where people insist they have racial purity. One only has to look at a map to see just how out of the way west europe is compared to the bridge between Africa and Asia where folks have been tramping back and forth for millenia. https://europeansaurus.wordpress.com/category/northeast-atlantic-archipelago/

    “…groups emerge and spread out only to be replaced some time later by another group emerging and spreading out…”

    Seems natural, like star/planet or family/dynasty lifecycles. Divinity test-marketing a new product?

    “The only pure breds nowadays are going to be in places like the Amazon”

    What’s the advantage of such purity? Amazonian tribes aren’t known for much. Suppose that may change if we immolate ourselves in nuclear conflict (hopefully after a good parade).

    The bon sauvage warranted little envy. Just as busy knocking each other off as Europeans. Ritualized torture, occasional cannibalism, mourning wars to replenish tribal ranks. ‘Black Robe’ is a pretty accurate film portrayal of Canadian interaction circa 1635.

    “the ‘mongrel’ label dished out for west europeans is less accurate in west europe than it is for places where people insist they have racial purity.”

    Who claims racial purity? Is it a status thing, like kennel club blessing?

    Sounds like snobbish peerage organizations. Vestigial vanity. Future researchers will surely conclude two social classes – hedge fund managers (taxed at a lower rate) and everyone else.

    The DNA test, heavily advertised as a genealogical Christmas gift, seems increasingly popular. Quick and easy, just like fast food. Less arduous than tracing generations, especially when records are scarce. TVs ‘Finding Your Roots’ finds celebrity antecedents. Few reach beyond five generations. Americans express little interest in more. Seem satisfied with a pie chart of distant origins.

    “the time for ethnostates has passed”

    Alt-right movements disagree, e.g. Richard Spencer:

    “The ideal I advocate is the creation of a White Ethno-State on the North American continent… For us, it is conquer or die. This is a unique burden for the white man, that our fate is entirely in our hands.”

    Dick openly embraces the Third Reich. Which, of course, pined for Aryan statehood. Did their best. Nothing quite as comedic as racial purity tests on the likes of Himmler. If memory serves, they wisely limited inquiry to three generations.

    “…the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status. And this breeds resentment which creates ethnocentrism…”

    US history teams with emigration polarity. Economic growth vs social franchise. Change vs status quo. Love vs hate. Resentment galore. Currently justified by millions here illegally, a political issue both parties treat with excessive hypocrisy. Trump was smart enough to break the silence taboo, probably owes his victory to it. Two of three wives are migrants, but none begrudge affairs of the heart.

    Fact is, the business lobby demands labor dominance and wage constraint. Corporate feudalism? Migrants, especially illegal, are perfect serfs. The threat of deportation is a wonderful productivity tool, smothers wayward thoughts of asking for a raise. Depresses wages for everyone.

    Trump? He’s applied for 70 H2B visas for Mir-a-Lago. An increase over last year. Just couldn’t find American workers. Wonder how many illegals tend his golf courses?

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    Corporate feudalism?
    Yes I think that is what is going on.

    pined for Aryan statehood.
    My 93yr old mother tells how she feared being turned into an Aryan breeder if Germany won. But happen she produced 9 grandchildren and 8 greatgrandchildren (and counting) anyway :)

    What’s the advantage of such purity?
    Symmetry
    http://assets.geo.de/div/image/62676/06-piraha-popup.jpg
    , @iffen
    “the time for ethnostates has passed”

    Alt-right movements disagree, e.g. Richard Spencer:

    Not to mention Israel, Myanmar, Japan, China, etc., etc.

    I think you are making this argument against racial purity against a straw man, or straw woman, as the case may be.
    , @RobinG
    If they have H2B visas they're not illegal. Seasonal workers are well established everywhere. My first encounter was in 1970's, in central Massachusetts, where crews of Caribbean pickers came in for the apple harvest. With crops that require concentrated skilled labor in a short burst of time, the farmers can't rely on local teenagers, or whatever you think the alternative might be.

    Lilly-white Sterling was speckled with ebony in late summer. But you wouldn't know it if you didn't get out of town, because they stayed in bunkhouses. They also did some second-cut haying for the dairy farmers, while they were at it.
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  • @peterAUS

    Who is “other”? Isn’t that the question?
     
    No simpler question.

    Our cave....other cave.
    Our settlement....other settlement.

    Getting better.
    Our kingdom....their kingdom.
    Around Babylon.

    Even better.
    Our faith. Their faith.
    Crusaders.

    Or the best.
    My ideology. Your ideology (or lack of my ideology).
    Etc.

    For you, a simple test.
    Assuming you are Caucasian American go and live in "minority" part of the city. Preferably populated by African Americans.

    Well, for Nazi Germany, it wasn't actually a mob rule. History, true.A scientific approach to genocide.Not only Jews, mind you.
    Not even sure has it been the most efficient. Pol Pot was quite efficient. Probably the most efficient were Hutus with Tutsis.
    And that is something nobody pays too much attention to.
    Like....break of law and order in megacities and colored mobs with blunt and bladed weapons.....at least. Full of rage and easy to choose a target. I guess it's easy to predict what target would be the easiest to pick up.

    Who is “other”? Isn’t that the question?

    No simpler question.

    This is not “the” question.

    Most observers, Jews and non-Jews recognize that Jews are in the “other” category. “The” question is what does this mean? Are they to be handicapped in some way or not? Out of all the groups of “others” are they to be singled out for “special” oppression?

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  • @Sam J.
    "...The thing about ‘facts’ is that once there are more than one, the link between facts is open to interpretation..."

    I agree with this and add that there are several people that say the genes that the scientist are saying "prove" that these people weren't White proves nothing of the sort and the whole thing is just them saying ,"these genes mean black", ignoring other genes that may be present. I also do not agree that Whiteness is that new nor do I agree that human civilization is new either. I think it likely that human civilization has been wiped out several times. This is just the latest reboot. There's what appear to be to a very large amount of artifacts that are millions or even multi, multi millions of years old buried in lots of different type deposits. Now maybe these are all some sort of click bait but I could say exactly the same about the scientist pet theories also. I'm not saying I have the answer just that the answer, whatever it is, seems to be circumscribed to a very small range of possibilities at present while ignoring anything that doesn't fit in the small box of ideas they like.

    The actual fossils that they have to prove the standard line on human development are very, very, very thin with a mass of supposition to prove this or that . Add to this the overwhelming anti-White propaganda and it just doesn't pay to believe these people.

    what struck me when I was researching this stuff is, a) biologists go to great lengths to use diagrams that disguise any suggestion of chronological time; b) something big genetic happened between C and F haplogroups which is also downplayed. It looks as if the primary classification is between Southern and Northern hemispheres.

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  • @helena
    I think the time for ethnostates has passed and anyway I don't object to people mating with whomever they want. But the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status. And this breeds resentment which creates ethnocentrism. And that is a downward spiral that will lead to slowly disappearing enclaves as in S.Africa. Back in the 70s, multiracialism was coming along just fine. I conclude therefore that multiculturalism was quite specifically introduced, in order to create such a defensive reaction, as a strategy to ultimately lead to the eradication of pale skin. It does make sense because pale skin causes such problems for everyone else. But it is nevertheless an egregious project.

    … anyway I don’t object to people mating with whomever they want.

    Then why do you seemingly have prospective nostalgia for the last N. European in the Baltics two hundred years from now?

    The question is what sort of culture and civilization will we have going forward? The Bantustan option will not work because 1) the elites will not live on the rez, and 2) the elites are responsible for the current decline. They have already decided that a peon is a peon, is a peon, is a peon. Only the simple-minded and unaware look to the elites for help.

    But the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status.

    Yes. When I listen to the latest NPR story about some left-handed, androgynous “refugee” encountering difficulties scamming the Rube Goldberg welfare bureaucracy, I think, “Yeah, and there are 10,000 rednecks whose mining jobs have disappeared along with his chance at a “normal” life for every one of these.”

    I conclude therefore that multiculturalism was quite specifically introduced, in order to create such a defensive reaction, as a strategy to ultimately lead …

    And it seems that you blame “them” for this.

    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    We had a great run; hell on wheels while it lasted.

    O Constantine, Constantine! wherefore art thou Constantine?

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    Then why do you seemingly have prospective nostalgia
    Because left to our own devices and desires not many people would. But this, and it's really recent, obligatory presentation of mixed marriage in adverts and dramas is nauseating.

    1) the elites will not live on the rez
    Haven't they got their own rez/gated communities?

    And it seems that you blame “them” for this.
    Is it not the case that some agencies are responsible for these ideas? What happened to Truth to Power? Mainly I think the popularity of Marxism and Einsteinism both have a lot to answer for. Year Zero applied to organic culture - 'Human Rights' is deliberately so labelled to replace the notion of Human Nature, yet only society can confer such 'rights'. (The origin I assume but don't know, is Amartya Sen's coining of the term Entitlements). Relativism applied to a Newtonian world has all but destroyed the concept of Criteria; leftists and unliberals just love spurious comparisons and selective statistics.

    hell on wheels
    Yeah, talk about putting the grr in migrration!
    http://images.amcnetworks.com/blogs.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/HOW-S02-Cast.jpg
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  • @helena
    I think the time for ethnostates has passed and anyway I don't object to people mating with whomever they want. But the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status. And this breeds resentment which creates ethnocentrism. And that is a downward spiral that will lead to slowly disappearing enclaves as in S.Africa. Back in the 70s, multiracialism was coming along just fine. I conclude therefore that multiculturalism was quite specifically introduced, in order to create such a defensive reaction, as a strategy to ultimately lead to the eradication of pale skin. It does make sense because pale skin causes such problems for everyone else. But it is nevertheless an egregious project.

    “…because pale skin causes such problems for everyone else…”

    You mean for Jews. The Jews see us as competition so wish to murder us. They’re foolish because it will not be them that inherit the world but the Chinese who their mind game tricks work on not at all.

    I reject the idea that even the worst White Colonizers were any worse than what was there before in the large majority of cases. The reason that the Spanish conquered in the New World so easily was disease and the fact that the rulers conscripted the populations and ripped their heats out in ceremonies. Same for Africa. Before Europeans got there it was worse. They were eating their captives Even if the Belgian king cut off peoples hands it was still, on average, better for the population. Even though there were a lot of abuses the outrage in Europe to these caused moderation. Moderation that would have never come absent European influence.

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  • @helena
    Read Peter Frost on skin colour he's really interesting. The southern hemisphere required melanin. Once humans moved up into Asia the 'pressure' to be melanous was gone and so other alleles could be expressed and there are more than one alleles leading to paleness (E Asians have a different one), Europeans ended up with (I think) double non-melanous alleles. Peter explains it better.

    But it is acknowledged that paleness is recent, 5-8,000ya (I think). Nevertheless, the whole 'melanin is British' argument is just scientifically daft. The thing about 'facts' is that once there are more than one, the link between facts is open to interpretation. That's true of most science. And if you read gene blogs discussing the research that led to this, there is not a consensus. However, the situation we are in now is that the Narrative - the one that is enshrined in legislation - dictates which interpretation of facts get published.

    “…The thing about ‘facts’ is that once there are more than one, the link between facts is open to interpretation…”

    I agree with this and add that there are several people that say the genes that the scientist are saying “prove” that these people weren’t White proves nothing of the sort and the whole thing is just them saying ,”these genes mean black”, ignoring other genes that may be present. I also do not agree that Whiteness is that new nor do I agree that human civilization is new either. I think it likely that human civilization has been wiped out several times. This is just the latest reboot. There’s what appear to be to a very large amount of artifacts that are millions or even multi, multi millions of years old buried in lots of different type deposits. Now maybe these are all some sort of click bait but I could say exactly the same about the scientist pet theories also. I’m not saying I have the answer just that the answer, whatever it is, seems to be circumscribed to a very small range of possibilities at present while ignoring anything that doesn’t fit in the small box of ideas they like.

    The actual fossils that they have to prove the standard line on human development are very, very, very thin with a mass of supposition to prove this or that . Add to this the overwhelming anti-White propaganda and it just doesn’t pay to believe these people.

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    what struck me when I was researching this stuff is, a) biologists go to great lengths to use diagrams that disguise any suggestion of chronological time; b) something big genetic happened between C and F haplogroups which is also downplayed. It looks as if the primary classification is between Southern and Northern hemispheres.
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  • @Incitatus

    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse?
    "Are Jews uniform or diverse?"
     
    Depends on one's definition? Metric? Subjective?
    Prefer to believe all diverse. Purity genie long out of the bottle.
    Makes life more interesting. Want uniformity? Spend your time before a mirror.

    Linguists put Hurons in the Iroquoian group, yet they were deadly League enemies. Uniform or diverse?

    Cheddar Man's a Vonnegut moment. Absurd preconception on full display. Genealogy has similar surprises - 'who knew my GGG grandfather was a horse thief' moments. That's what makes it fun. Worst skeleton in a family tree? Executioners. They're the pits.

    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse?

    Depends on one’s definition? Metric? Subjective?

    “The only good Injun is a dead Injun.” uniform

    A Scottish trader on the frontier trying to break into the fur trade. diversity

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    "The only good Injun is a dead Injun. uniform"

    "Smoking is good for you." Uniform (Indian revenge)

    "A Scottish trader on the frontier trying to break into the fur trade. Diversity"

    A French négociant descends the Mississippi, settles at Fort Louis de la Louisiane (Mobile AL) 1702. Diversity
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  • @Sam J.
    helena my apologies for my comment earlier listed below. I assumed you were...another...Hasbara and were taunting me. I realize you were just feeding me facts. I do try to be courteous to those who deserve it. The rest...well...

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/destroying-syria/#comment-2195797

    I do disagree that we are doomed. It's not over yet by far.

    A far out but possible solution is that Men could start having children. All the tools are in place to transfer fertilized embryos into animals or artificial wombs and it's now known that eggs can be made from Female skin cells. These, when fertilized with sperm, become zygotes.

    http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/05/mice-embryos-from-skin-cells-and-by-2037-human-embryos-from-skin-cells.html

    http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/25/15421734/artificial-womb-fetus-biobag-uterus-lamb-sheep-birth-premie-preterm-infant

    I'm not saying this is ideal but White Women refuse to have children and with the divorce laws as they are Men will eventually refuse to marry. The Spartans died off because their Women refused to have enough children to replace them and after an earthquake and I think a plague they didn't have the numbers anymore and were defeated. Would Men step up to have more children artificially??? Who knows but it is a coming option. It also may be that Women will have more children if they can have them in artificial wombs. Don;t know the answer to that either.

    Toads do it, let’s do it, let’s spawn for love. :)

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  • @iffen
    Recently, Razib had this to say:

    Though the Kennedy’s of the current generation say the correct thing for liberals about racial diversity in public, their private choices are more in alignment with being in sympathy with a white ethnostate.
     
    https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/02/07/preference-falsification-in-our-time-and-evermore/

    I am still working though the idea that preference for marriage partners within one’s ethnic or racial group aligns with the preference of those in favor of an ethnostate.

    I think one can prefer non-assimilation without being in favor of an ethnostate. But if everyone strictly adhered to in-group mating, we would end up with discreet ethnic groups that would inevitably demand an ethno-state.

    I think the time for ethnostates has passed and anyway I don’t object to people mating with whomever they want. But the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status. And this breeds resentment which creates ethnocentrism. And that is a downward spiral that will lead to slowly disappearing enclaves as in S.Africa. Back in the 70s, multiracialism was coming along just fine. I conclude therefore that multiculturalism was quite specifically introduced, in order to create such a defensive reaction, as a strategy to ultimately lead to the eradication of pale skin. It does make sense because pale skin causes such problems for everyone else. But it is nevertheless an egregious project.

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    "...because pale skin causes such problems for everyone else..."

    You mean for Jews. The Jews see us as competition so wish to murder us. They're foolish because it will not be them that inherit the world but the Chinese who their mind game tricks work on not at all.

    I reject the idea that even the worst White Colonizers were any worse than what was there before in the large majority of cases. The reason that the Spanish conquered in the New World so easily was disease and the fact that the rulers conscripted the populations and ripped their heats out in ceremonies. Same for Africa. Before Europeans got there it was worse. They were eating their captives Even if the Belgian king cut off peoples hands it was still, on average, better for the population. Even though there were a lot of abuses the outrage in Europe to these caused moderation. Moderation that would have never come absent European influence.
    , @iffen
    … anyway I don’t object to people mating with whomever they want.

    Then why do you seemingly have prospective nostalgia for the last N. European in the Baltics two hundred years from now?

    The question is what sort of culture and civilization will we have going forward? The Bantustan option will not work because 1) the elites will not live on the rez, and 2) the elites are responsible for the current decline. They have already decided that a peon is a peon, is a peon, is a peon. Only the simple-minded and unaware look to the elites for help.

    But the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status.

    Yes. When I listen to the latest NPR story about some left-handed, androgynous “refugee” encountering difficulties scamming the Rube Goldberg welfare bureaucracy, I think, “Yeah, and there are 10,000 rednecks whose mining jobs have disappeared along with his chance at a “normal” life for every one of these.”

    I conclude therefore that multiculturalism was quite specifically introduced, in order to create such a defensive reaction, as a strategy to ultimately lead ...

    And it seems that you blame "them" for this.


    And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
     
    We had a great run; hell on wheels while it lasted.

    O Constantine, Constantine! wherefore art thou Constantine?

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  • @Sam J.
    "...“The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had “dark to black” skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain’s oldest complete skeleton has revealed.”..."

    I don't believe this. With all the fraud in the scientific community I think this could very well be a lie. It also could be someone Black who was in Britain and have nothing to do with the community at large.

    A good question is where did the Canary Islanders come from? Why did they look like Cro-Mags. Why were they White? If this "Whiteness" was so recent then how did they get there?

    Read Peter Frost on skin colour he’s really interesting. The southern hemisphere required melanin. Once humans moved up into Asia the ‘pressure’ to be melanous was gone and so other alleles could be expressed and there are more than one alleles leading to paleness (E Asians have a different one), Europeans ended up with (I think) double non-melanous alleles. Peter explains it better.

    But it is acknowledged that paleness is recent, 5-8,000ya (I think). Nevertheless, the whole ‘melanin is British’ argument is just scientifically daft. The thing about ‘facts’ is that once there are more than one, the link between facts is open to interpretation. That’s true of most science. And if you read gene blogs discussing the research that led to this, there is not a consensus. However, the situation we are in now is that the Narrative – the one that is enshrined in legislation – dictates which interpretation of facts get published.

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    "...The thing about ‘facts’ is that once there are more than one, the link between facts is open to interpretation..."

    I agree with this and add that there are several people that say the genes that the scientist are saying "prove" that these people weren't White proves nothing of the sort and the whole thing is just them saying ,"these genes mean black", ignoring other genes that may be present. I also do not agree that Whiteness is that new nor do I agree that human civilization is new either. I think it likely that human civilization has been wiped out several times. This is just the latest reboot. There's what appear to be to a very large amount of artifacts that are millions or even multi, multi millions of years old buried in lots of different type deposits. Now maybe these are all some sort of click bait but I could say exactly the same about the scientist pet theories also. I'm not saying I have the answer just that the answer, whatever it is, seems to be circumscribed to a very small range of possibilities at present while ignoring anything that doesn't fit in the small box of ideas they like.

    The actual fossils that they have to prove the standard line on human development are very, very, very thin with a mass of supposition to prove this or that . Add to this the overwhelming anti-White propaganda and it just doesn't pay to believe these people.
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  • @Incitatus

    "what is important, in that game, is what OTHER thinks of you"
     
    Who is "other"? Isn't that the question?

    I attempted to address diversity within a "homogenous" European label. Brits and Germans fall within it, yet the 20C is an object lesson in bloody distinction. Contrast oft engineered to unusual levels - invention of the 'House of Windsor' in 1917 to mask Saxe-Coburg and Gotha origins. Thoughts of being European were as likely divisive in rivalry as binding in commonality.

    Post Westphalia (1648) the standard definition of 'us' versus 'them' was the sovereign nation state. Empires complicated it with diverse constituents, some better than others (BE versus Habsburg). Definition seems a natural on-going process - cohesion based on domination or mutual interest. Revision can be traumatic (US Civil War, Versailles). Parts change (or not), nonetheless.

    Round-about way of asking what metric the nativist should use. Team, league or sport? Brexit seems to indicate team, with 'uniform Europe' still a construct.

    As for history and mob behavior being useful teachers, agree. Nazi Germany more than most.

    Round-about way of asking what metric the nativist should use. Team, league or sport?

    Correction:

    Round-about way of asking what metric the nativist should use. Team, league or sport, or Rothschild banking?

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. The Rothschild lend money to both sides of a war. Such a deal!

    p.s. Jews exploit all of human kinds worst sides.

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  • @Incitatus

    "what is important, in that game, is what OTHER thinks of you"
     
    Who is "other"? Isn't that the question?

    I attempted to address diversity within a "homogenous" European label. Brits and Germans fall within it, yet the 20C is an object lesson in bloody distinction. Contrast oft engineered to unusual levels - invention of the 'House of Windsor' in 1917 to mask Saxe-Coburg and Gotha origins. Thoughts of being European were as likely divisive in rivalry as binding in commonality.

    Post Westphalia (1648) the standard definition of 'us' versus 'them' was the sovereign nation state. Empires complicated it with diverse constituents, some better than others (BE versus Habsburg). Definition seems a natural on-going process - cohesion based on domination or mutual interest. Revision can be traumatic (US Civil War, Versailles). Parts change (or not), nonetheless.

    Round-about way of asking what metric the nativist should use. Team, league or sport? Brexit seems to indicate team, with 'uniform Europe' still a construct.

    As for history and mob behavior being useful teachers, agree. Nazi Germany more than most.

    Who is “other”? Isn’t that the question?

    No simpler question.

    Our cave….other cave.
    Our settlement….other settlement.

    Getting better.
    Our kingdom….their kingdom.
    Around Babylon.

    Even better.
    Our faith. Their faith.
    Crusaders.

    Or the best.
    My ideology. Your ideology (or lack of my ideology).
    Etc.

    For you, a simple test.
    Assuming you are Caucasian American go and live in “minority” part of the city. Preferably populated by African Americans.

    Well, for Nazi Germany, it wasn’t actually a mob rule. History, true.A scientific approach to genocide.Not only Jews, mind you.
    Not even sure has it been the most efficient. Pol Pot was quite efficient. Probably the most efficient were Hutus with Tutsis.
    And that is something nobody pays too much attention to.
    Like….break of law and order in megacities and colored mobs with blunt and bladed weapons…..at least. Full of rage and easy to choose a target. I guess it’s easy to predict what target would be the easiest to pick up.

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    Who is “other”? Isn’t that the question?
     
    No simpler question.

    This is not "the" question.

    Most observers, Jews and non-Jews recognize that Jews are in the "other" category. "The" question is what does this mean? Are they to be handicapped in some way or not? Out of all the groups of "others" are they to be singled out for "special" oppression?

    , @Incitatus

    "Even better…Our faith. Their faith…Crusaders."
     
    Best: Deus vult!

    "For you, a simple test…Assuming you are Caucasian American go and live in "minority" part of the city…Preferably populated by African Americans."
     
    Twenty-five years in such in US. Lived in KSA, Europe. Travel throughout ME. Etc. Your point?

    "Well, for Nazi Germany, it wasn't actually a mob rule."
     
    The mob was essential in the violent struggle leading to dictatorship. NSDAP vs. KPT, SPD, others. SA were little more than a violent, organized mob seeking scapegoats. The Enabling Act (24 Mar 1933) killed Weimar. Wouldn't have happened sans mob violence. Though scarcer, it continued when useful to the régime. Operation Hummingbird (1934). Anschluß, Sudeten Crisis, Kristallnacht (1938). Crowds at party pageants were impressive demonstrations of the tamed beast.

    "scientific approach to genocide. Not only Jews, mind you."
     
    Not all that scientific. Plenty of room for improvement over initial Einsatzgruppe methods. Mass shooting is laborious and all too public. Starvation was a low-tech solution that worked well enough - just ask 3.8 million dead Soviet POWs. Clever entrepreneurs (many of whom were Freikorp veterans) were promoted. Their "scientific" bit started with Aktion T4. And yes, many were invited to the party (not just Jews).

    "Like….break of law and order in megacities and colored mobs with blunt and bladed weapons…..at least. Full of rage and easy to choose a target. I guess it's easy to predict what target would be the easiest to pick up."
     
    You don't happen to write 'Mad Max' movie scripts, do you?
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  • @iffen
    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse?

    Are Jews uniform or diverse?

    Is Cheddar Man with his black skin more Northern European than Ashkenazim with their white skin?

    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse?
    “Are Jews uniform or diverse?”

    Depends on one’s definition? Metric? Subjective?
    Prefer to believe all diverse. Purity genie long out of the bottle.
    Makes life more interesting. Want uniformity? Spend your time before a mirror.

    Linguists put Hurons in the Iroquoian group, yet they were deadly League enemies. Uniform or diverse?

    Cheddar Man’s a Vonnegut moment. Absurd preconception on full display. Genealogy has similar surprises – ‘who knew my GGG grandfather was a horse thief’ moments. That’s what makes it fun. Worst skeleton in a family tree? Executioners. They’re the pits.

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    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse?

    Depends on one’s definition? Metric? Subjective?

    "The only good Injun is a dead Injun." uniform

    A Scottish trader on the frontier trying to break into the fur trade. diversity

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  • @peterAUS
    Well....for all your smarts (and I do mean that) you do miss the only practical fact there: it is not important what the truth is ...all what is important, in that game, is what OTHER thinks of you.
    It's not about hard facts and science; it's about deep seated emotions. It is about perceptions.
    In practical terms, about mob rage.

    That's how ethnic conflicts work.

    That's a dark and uncomfortable topic.

    So, say, if Jews start getting targeted somewhere.......say......in Hungary, for example.
    Option 1: mob rage channeled by powers that be there. Not good for target group.
    Option 2 even worse: law and order already broken down and then the mob rage finds them as a target.

    In either case being chosen (pun intended) as a target won't be based on any hard science and careful thinking.

    Some people here are, apparently, slightly concerned about similar scenarios should all this around us continue.

    Paying attention to history and mob psychology instead of genetics and such could be more useful.

    “what is important, in that game, is what OTHER thinks of you”

    Who is “other”? Isn’t that the question?

    I attempted to address diversity within a “homogenous” European label. Brits and Germans fall within it, yet the 20C is an object lesson in bloody distinction. Contrast oft engineered to unusual levels – invention of the ‘House of Windsor’ in 1917 to mask Saxe-Coburg and Gotha origins. Thoughts of being European were as likely divisive in rivalry as binding in commonality.

    Post Westphalia (1648) the standard definition of ‘us’ versus ‘them’ was the sovereign nation state. Empires complicated it with diverse constituents, some better than others (BE versus Habsburg). Definition seems a natural on-going process – cohesion based on domination or mutual interest. Revision can be traumatic (US Civil War, Versailles). Parts change (or not), nonetheless.

    Round-about way of asking what metric the nativist should use. Team, league or sport? Brexit seems to indicate team, with ‘uniform Europe’ still a construct.

    As for history and mob behavior being useful teachers, agree. Nazi Germany more than most.

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    Who is “other”? Isn’t that the question?
     
    No simpler question.

    Our cave....other cave.
    Our settlement....other settlement.

    Getting better.
    Our kingdom....their kingdom.
    Around Babylon.

    Even better.
    Our faith. Their faith.
    Crusaders.

    Or the best.
    My ideology. Your ideology (or lack of my ideology).
    Etc.

    For you, a simple test.
    Assuming you are Caucasian American go and live in "minority" part of the city. Preferably populated by African Americans.

    Well, for Nazi Germany, it wasn't actually a mob rule. History, true.A scientific approach to genocide.Not only Jews, mind you.
    Not even sure has it been the most efficient. Pol Pot was quite efficient. Probably the most efficient were Hutus with Tutsis.
    And that is something nobody pays too much attention to.
    Like....break of law and order in megacities and colored mobs with blunt and bladed weapons.....at least. Full of rage and easy to choose a target. I guess it's easy to predict what target would be the easiest to pick up.
    , @Art
    Round-about way of asking what metric the nativist should use. Team, league or sport?

    Correction:

    Round-about way of asking what metric the nativist should use. Team, league or sport, or Rothschild banking?

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. The Rothschild lend money to both sides of a war. Such a deal!

    p.s. Jews exploit all of human kinds worst sides.
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  • @Incitatus

    "I'm a biologist. Europeans are not going to survive. Because, unlike your lot, and precisely opposite to what we are constantly accused of, we are not supremacists…"
     
    Seems that ship sailed some time ago:

    "The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had "dark to black" skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain's oldest complete skeleton has revealed."

    "The fossil, known as Cheddar Man, was unearthed more than a century ago in Gough's Cave in Somerset. Intense speculation has built up around Cheddar Man's origins and appearance because he lived shortly after the first settlers crossed from continental Europe to Britain at the end of the last ice age. People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population."

    "Tom Booth, an archaeologist at the Natural History Museum who worked on the project, said: "It really shows up that these imaginary racial categories that we have are really very modern constructions, or very recent constructions, that really are not applicable to the past at all."

    -Hannah Devlin Science Correspondent The Guardian 7 Feb 2018

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals
     
    Of course you knew that, n'est-ce pas? Hate to rain on anyone's parade.

    “…“The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had “dark to black” skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain’s oldest complete skeleton has revealed.”…”

    I don’t believe this. With all the fraud in the scientific community I think this could very well be a lie. It also could be someone Black who was in Britain and have nothing to do with the community at large.

    A good question is where did the Canary Islanders come from? Why did they look like Cro-Mags. Why were they White? If this “Whiteness” was so recent then how did they get there?

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    Read Peter Frost on skin colour he's really interesting. The southern hemisphere required melanin. Once humans moved up into Asia the 'pressure' to be melanous was gone and so other alleles could be expressed and there are more than one alleles leading to paleness (E Asians have a different one), Europeans ended up with (I think) double non-melanous alleles. Peter explains it better.

    But it is acknowledged that paleness is recent, 5-8,000ya (I think). Nevertheless, the whole 'melanin is British' argument is just scientifically daft. The thing about 'facts' is that once there are more than one, the link between facts is open to interpretation. That's true of most science. And if you read gene blogs discussing the research that led to this, there is not a consensus. However, the situation we are in now is that the Narrative - the one that is enshrined in legislation - dictates which interpretation of facts get published.
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  • helena my apologies for my comment earlier listed below. I assumed you were…another…Hasbara and were taunting me. I realize you were just feeding me facts. I do try to be courteous to those who deserve it. The rest…well…

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/destroying-syria/#comment-2195797

    I do disagree that we are doomed. It’s not over yet by far.

    A far out but possible solution is that Men could start having children. All the tools are in place to transfer fertilized embryos into animals or artificial wombs and it’s now known that eggs can be made from Female skin cells. These, when fertilized with sperm, become zygotes.

    http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/05/mice-embryos-from-skin-cells-and-by-2037-human-embryos-from-skin-cells.html

    http://www.theverge.com/2017/4/25/15421734/artificial-womb-fetus-biobag-uterus-lamb-sheep-birth-premie-preterm-infant

    I’m not saying this is ideal but White Women refuse to have children and with the divorce laws as they are Men will eventually refuse to marry. The Spartans died off because their Women refused to have enough children to replace them and after an earthquake and I think a plague they didn’t have the numbers anymore and were defeated. Would Men step up to have more children artificially??? Who knows but it is a coming option. It also may be that Women will have more children if they can have them in artificial wombs. Don;t know the answer to that either.

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    Toads do it, let's do it, let's spawn for love. :)
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  • @helena
    Why on earth do you say Europeans are not going to survive?

    Steve Jones a real biologist said it years ago but I've never been able to find a reference for it. He said the last pale skin and fair hair would be somewhere around the Baltic in about 200yrs.

    Then there is TFR, total fertility rate. I've read that when it drops below replacement level, which it has for all groups of Europeans, the group can't play catch up, the group or gene pool is on a downward spiral. Again no reference, sorry. But that's how biology works, it's all about threshholds.

    A man called Linton Herbert has a website called nobabies.net but it's not an easy site to negotiate. This sigmoid curve* is of the Scandinavian population and what Linton is saying is that there is an 'inbuilt' civilizational curve that can be shown in (some sort of insect he studies) which could equally apply to humans. Maths will be the death of all of us.
    *https://europeansaurus.wordpress.com/

    23andme would disagree with you if you disagreed

    Ooh, I'm not going to disagree with 23-and-me-or-you! Jewish ethnicity is a story book of 2000 years of diaspora living. Jewish genetics is extremely clever but I feel constrained to discuss it because convention ie. the Law, says it is homogenous. But if you promise not to report me this is what I think - women can bring new genes into the pool and men can spread jewish genes out of the pool into the surrounding pool. It's a brilliant design for survival combining both in-group virility and out-group support.

    Yes, we hear you, what-are-you-sinkink? :)


    Trading, not a North European thing?

    Ha, ha. One of my less well-developed theories. My son lives in Amsterdam, you should hear what he has to say about the Dutch and business, 'Mum, come away, she's just being nice because she wants to sell you something'. He's a bit asby like me so I guess he been had a few times.

    and I assure you I’m not taking the piss here.
    I don't doubt their hospitality, I grew up near Golders Green. But do you seriously think they would accept me telling them, in their own home, that I thought their settlements were illegal?

    Recently, Razib had this to say:

    Though the Kennedy’s of the current generation say the correct thing for liberals about racial diversity in public, their private choices are more in alignment with being in sympathy with a white ethnostate.

    https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/02/07/preference-falsification-in-our-time-and-evermore/

    I am still working though the idea that preference for marriage partners within one’s ethnic or racial group aligns with the preference of those in favor of an ethnostate.

    I think one can prefer non-assimilation without being in favor of an ethnostate. But if everyone strictly adhered to in-group mating, we would end up with discreet ethnic groups that would inevitably demand an ethno-state.

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    I think the time for ethnostates has passed and anyway I don't object to people mating with whomever they want. But the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status. And this breeds resentment which creates ethnocentrism. And that is a downward spiral that will lead to slowly disappearing enclaves as in S.Africa. Back in the 70s, multiracialism was coming along just fine. I conclude therefore that multiculturalism was quite specifically introduced, in order to create such a defensive reaction, as a strategy to ultimately lead to the eradication of pale skin. It does make sense because pale skin causes such problems for everyone else. But it is nevertheless an egregious project.
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  • @Art
    helena,

    I think that things are starting to go our way. Don’t forget that we are starting at zero – 100% of cultural messages in the media have been pro-Jew.

    Bit by bit there are some words starting to buck the 100% stonewall. Rand Paul is talking “bring the troops home.” Tulsi Gabbard is talking pro-Assad. Some guy is challenging the Speaker of the House, making in their face anti-Jew sounds. Some half Nazi alt-right guy from Illinois running for congress, was on CNN saying Jews run the media.

    Jews are no longer 100% in charge. For the first-time people are engaging the Jews. The Jews can never win, because they are truthfully wrong about everything political. Look what happens on UR – they lose every argument to the obvious facts.

    Think Peace --- Art

    Good to know. As we say in Evensong, ‘Lord, let thy Chosen people be joyful’. I hope we can all be joyful one day.

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  • @Sam Shama
    Busy with a bit of both :-)

    Why on earth do you say Europeans are not going to survive? And though "my lot" may be Jewish, many are European as well. 23andme would disagree with you if you disagreed. North Europeans, can be a literal lot. If you met my granny, who's Austrian, you'd know exactly what linear thinking means [sos signal from the sinking ship goes to the German coastguard, "Help! We are sinking!". Met with the monotone "Yes, we hear you, what-are-you-sinkink?]

    Trading, not a North European thing? C'mon! What of the East India Trading Co.? Financial trading is all about English boys "making the markets" with frogs doing all the mathematical models! Could tell you a tale or two. Take a trip to Farringdon Without and speak to the fellows strolling around and you'll see the truth of what I say.

    If you went to Israel proclaiming "I'm a nosy Christian" etc., what a lark that'd be! You'd be fed, wined, amused and amazed by the hospitality; and I assure you I'm not taking the piss here.

    Why on earth do you say Europeans are not going to survive?

    Steve Jones a real biologist said it years ago but I’ve never been able to find a reference for it. He said the last pale skin and fair hair would be somewhere around the Baltic in about 200yrs.

    Then there is TFR, total fertility rate. I’ve read that when it drops below replacement level, which it has for all groups of Europeans, the group can’t play catch up, the group or gene pool is on a downward spiral. Again no reference, sorry. But that’s how biology works, it’s all about threshholds.

    A man called Linton Herbert has a website called nobabies.net but it’s not an easy site to negotiate. This sigmoid curve* is of the Scandinavian population and what Linton is saying is that there is an ‘inbuilt’ civilizational curve that can be shown in (some sort of insect he studies) which could equally apply to humans. Maths will be the death of all of us.
    *https://europeansaurus.wordpress.com/

    23andme would disagree with you if you disagreed

    Ooh, I’m not going to disagree with 23-and-me-or-you! Jewish ethnicity is a story book of 2000 years of diaspora living. Jewish genetics is extremely clever but I feel constrained to discuss it because convention ie. the Law, says it is homogenous. But if you promise not to report me this is what I think – women can bring new genes into the pool and men can spread jewish genes out of the pool into the surrounding pool. It’s a brilliant design for survival combining both in-group virility and out-group support.

    Yes, we hear you, what-are-you-sinkink? :)

    Trading, not a North European thing?

    Ha, ha. One of my less well-developed theories. My son lives in Amsterdam, you should hear what he has to say about the Dutch and business, ‘Mum, come away, she’s just being nice because she wants to sell you something’. He’s a bit asby like me so I guess he been had a few times.

    and I assure you I’m not taking the piss here.
    I don’t doubt their hospitality, I grew up near Golders Green. But do you seriously think they would accept me telling them, in their own home, that I thought their settlements were illegal?

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    Recently, Razib had this to say:

    Though the Kennedy’s of the current generation say the correct thing for liberals about racial diversity in public, their private choices are more in alignment with being in sympathy with a white ethnostate.
     
    https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2018/02/07/preference-falsification-in-our-time-and-evermore/

    I am still working though the idea that preference for marriage partners within one’s ethnic or racial group aligns with the preference of those in favor of an ethnostate.

    I think one can prefer non-assimilation without being in favor of an ethnostate. But if everyone strictly adhered to in-group mating, we would end up with discreet ethnic groups that would inevitably demand an ethno-state.

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  • @Incitatus
    Nothing like coming late to a party.

    A broad, homogenous ethnic group may, traced generation by generation, be a dog's breakfast. At least to families concerned. The custom of rival clan intermarriage in alliance or conflict settlement was pretty common. In fifty generations, one can easily find descent from bitter enemies and lands widely scattered. Genealogical diversity? Cheering for one side or the other is a matter of whimsy - Plantagenêt vs Captian vs Hohenstaufen vs Welf vs Wessex vs Dunkeld vs Komnenos vs Hauteville and so on.

    Where do the Norse fit in? They pop up everywhere by 11C. Normandie, Kiev, Byzantium, Apulia, Sicily, Terre-Sainte. Even the New World (L'Anse aux Meadows ±1000). Do most Europeans share descent?

    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse? Any significance in their vulnerability to European disease and alcohol?

    Merci mille fois. Très intéressant!

    Where do the Norse fit in? They pop up everywhere by 11C.

    First, I should apologise for making the sweeping claim to being a biologist. I’ve spent as much time doing up houses as teaching biology but my first degree and love was human biology and I’ve spent several years trying to digest the masses of info on archaeogenetic blogs.

    My single point really is this – modern humans didn’t appear all at once and it seems that each group that emerged differed in some respects from the last. By looking at the spread of haplogroups (hg), the overwhelming impression I get is that groups emerge and spread out only to be replaced some time later by another group emerging and spreading out. So, as an example, haplogroup I is found in Scandinavia but less so in west Europe. West and East Europe are dominated by R. But we know Ihg emerged much earlier and travelled north from the Caucasus. What R does then, is move in from the East at the top of Europe and cuts I off in the north and south. And the same pattern can be found with D, C and O. C is found in Mongolia and Australia, D is found in Tibet and Japan. So it looks like O swept in and pushed D and C to the margins. You can see my ideas here but I agree my work is more of a scrapbook than peer-reviewed ‘science’. https://culturalandscape.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/circles-in-a-spiral-2/ https://culturalandscape.wordpress.com/about-2/geographic-ancestry/

    Norsemen are found all over because they were all over and then their dominance waned. So I think the process is the same but 11C is a long time after Ihg came to Europe 40kya so of course in the meantime several groups had already merged. The only pure breds nowadays are going to be in places like the Amazon. But some groups like west europeans and chinese have a very high percentage of one or other haplogroup.

    I’ve just watched Maltese, a detective set in Sicily. One of the cops is called the Norman because Sicilians are very aware of their varied backgrounds and its a good place to observe people and see the different migratory influences coming together to create a shared culture and history. But my main gripe is that the ‘mongrel’ label dished out for west europeans is less accurate in west europe than it is for places where people insist they have racial purity. One only has to look at a map to see just how out of the way west europe is compared to the bridge between Africa and Asia where folks have been tramping back and forth for millenia. https://europeansaurus.wordpress.com/category/northeast-atlantic-archipelago/

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    "…groups emerge and spread out only to be replaced some time later by another group emerging and spreading out…"

    Seems natural, like star/planet or family/dynasty lifecycles. Divinity test-marketing a new product?

    "The only pure breds nowadays are going to be in places like the Amazon"

    What's the advantage of such purity? Amazonian tribes aren't known for much. Suppose that may change if we immolate ourselves in nuclear conflict (hopefully after a good parade).

    The bon sauvage warranted little envy. Just as busy knocking each other off as Europeans. Ritualized torture, occasional cannibalism, mourning wars to replenish tribal ranks. 'Black Robe' is a pretty accurate film portrayal of Canadian interaction circa 1635.

    "the 'mongrel' label dished out for west europeans is less accurate in west europe than it is for places where people insist they have racial purity."

    Who claims racial purity? Is it a status thing, like kennel club blessing?

    Sounds like snobbish peerage organizations. Vestigial vanity. Future researchers will surely conclude two social classes - hedge fund managers (taxed at a lower rate) and everyone else.

    The DNA test, heavily advertised as a genealogical Christmas gift, seems increasingly popular. Quick and easy, just like fast food. Less arduous than tracing generations, especially when records are scarce. TVs 'Finding Your Roots' finds celebrity antecedents. Few reach beyond five generations. Americans express little interest in more. Seem satisfied with a pie chart of distant origins.

    "the time for ethnostates has passed"

    Alt-right movements disagree, e.g. Richard Spencer:

    "The ideal I advocate is the creation of a White Ethno-State on the North American continent… For us, it is conquer or die. This is a unique burden for the white man, that our fate is entirely in our hands."
     
    Dick openly embraces the Third Reich. Which, of course, pined for Aryan statehood. Did their best. Nothing quite as comedic as racial purity tests on the likes of Himmler. If memory serves, they wisely limited inquiry to three generations.

    "…the situation we have now is the elevation of migrant cultures to a protected status. And this breeds resentment which creates ethnocentrism…"

    US history teams with emigration polarity. Economic growth vs social franchise. Change vs status quo. Love vs hate. Resentment galore. Currently justified by millions here illegally, a political issue both parties treat with excessive hypocrisy. Trump was smart enough to break the silence taboo, probably owes his victory to it. Two of three wives are migrants, but none begrudge affairs of the heart.

    Fact is, the business lobby demands labor dominance and wage constraint. Corporate feudalism? Migrants, especially illegal, are perfect serfs. The threat of deportation is a wonderful productivity tool, smothers wayward thoughts of asking for a raise. Depresses wages for everyone.

    Trump? He's applied for 70 H2B visas for Mir-a-Lago. An increase over last year. Just couldn't find American workers. Wonder how many illegals tend his golf courses?
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  • @Incitatus
    Art:
    "They [Jews] are destructive - sucking the good out of cultures - when chaos sets in, they wonder on!"

    Julius Streicher:
    "The Jew always lives from the blood of other peoples, he needs such murders and such sacrifices."

    American values? What did the Greatest Generation think:
    "For his 25 years of speaking, writing and preaching hatred of the Jews, Streicher was widely known as 'Jew-Baiter Number One.' In his speeches and articles, week after week, month after month, he infected the German mind with the virus of anti-Semitism, and incited the German people to active persecution. ... Streicher's incitement to murder and extermination at the time when Jews in the East were being killed under the most horrible conditions clearly constitutes persecution on political and racial grounds in connection with war crimes, as defined by the Charter, and constitutes a crime against humanity."
    -Nüremberg Judgement 1 Oct 1946

    Didn't end well. Streicher swung for his 'values'.

    Competing with Julius, Art?

    Never mind. Keep polishing those table legs.
    And, by all means, think peace.

    How many people have the US Nazis killed in the last twenty years?

    For how many deaths, are the Jew Sacklers responsible? The opioid situation is killing 60,000 Americans a year.

    Good informed moral rational people will talk about and condemn the greedy Sacklers.

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. This Jew champion’s contempt for peace, is more than telling. It informs us as to why Israel is so immoral.

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  • @Incitatus

    "Like bombing and invading countries that never represented a threat to America? You, no doubt, must be referring to those "American" values, no?"
     
    Protested such from Viet Nam on. Favor legal action against top "deciders" and their helpers (neocons included), Pentagon budget and weapons export reductions, draft reinstatement, de-militarization, etc.

    You? You blame war on 'the Lobby'. That's not all. Terrorism. GWOT. NK. MENA turmoil. 9/11. Diversity. Unchecked immigration. Political corruption. Campaign finance abuse. 'Cultural Marxism". Russia-gate. "Luggenpresse". "Weimerica". "Cold-War 2.0". "Big lies". You blame everything on 'the Lobby'. There is no other special interest, no other villain. When the Koch Brothers outspend Adelson, your first question is if they're Jewish.

    Anti-war? Why ignore the weapons industry? Concerned about American crisis? Why dodge spending that dwarfs 'the Lobby' and shackles us to egregious failure in health care, transportation, wealth inequity, etc?

    Art's "American values" are "consistent - Big Jew, Little Jew, lemming, dishonesty, and too ostracize". He's welcome to say it and avoid whoever he likes. Doesn't bother me. What happens when ostracism becomes internment? When citizen groups are robbed of individual Constitutional rights? Deprived of property? Prohibited from earning a living? Deported?

    Ask the 110,000 Japanese-Americans 'ostracized' in WW2. If alive, Acadians who survived the Grand Dérangement (1755-64) could tell you. Let alone Native Nations too numerous to count.

    "The Lobby is responsible for the conflagration that is consuming MENA and you accuse me of being the arsonist?"
     
    Sky is falling, falling, falling. The Lobby, Lobby, Lobby. Hop-Along-Cassandra meets Chicken Little.

    You couldn't care less about the MENA. You want a race state just like your fantasy Israel. "My goal is to help the people from European and European-derived countries shake off the cultural Marxist spell that claims that Diversity Is Our Strength, before it is too late…"

    You ignite deep conspiracy and imminent crisis authored by one - and only one - villain. 'The Lobby.' Code, like "Cultural Marxists", for Jews. The scapegoat. The fulcrum to emergency restrictions, your Euro-Ethno-State. A fire you set, then offer to put out.

    "By defending the indefensible, you are the one who is aiding and abetting The Lobby's efforts to remake the ME by destroying those countries deemed hostile to the Jewish state and the killing of even more innocent people."
     
    Kindly quote my defense, cite my aid.

    "I'm here pleading for them [The Lobby] to cease and desist their nefarious activities and you come along and accuse me of holding a rope?"
     
    You're here accusing 'the Lobby' alone of multiple conspiracies. Imminent threats. Crisis after crisis. In essence, your 'Lobby' scapegoat completely controls the US government, military, international and domestic policy.

    Example? "Bush, Blair, Cheney and the rest of the traitors" are minimized by adding they "sold their souls for 30 shekels." QED the real villain is 'the Lobby'. Bush and the others were bribed. Corrupted by 'the Lobby'. Lesson? Faust isn't as evil as the devil, mastermind seducer of innocents. 'The Lobby' is Satan in your mime. Race-baiting with gloves on.

    "Inspector Clouseau has nothing on you."
     
    Très bon, cher Javert! Est-ce que je reçois Elke Sommer?

    Protested such from Viet Nam on. Favor legal action against top “deciders” and their helpers (neocons included), Pentagon budget and weapons export reductions, draft reinstatement, de-militarization, etc.

    Glad to see we’re on the same page on this one.

    You? You blame war on ‘the Lobby’. That’s not all.

    Terrorism. Check
    GWOT. Check
    NK. Check
    MENA turmoil. Check
    9/11. Check
    Diversity. Check
    Unchecked immigration. Check
    Political corruption. Check
    Campaign finance abuse. Check
    ‘Cultural Marxism”. Check
    Russia-gate. Check
    “Luggenpresse”. Check
    “Weimerica”. Check
    “Cold-War 2.0″. Check
    “Big lies”. Check

    You blame everything on ‘the Lobby’.

    Not everything, Incy. Just those items you’ve listed above.

    There is no other special interest, no other villain.

    Not true. There are a lot of other special interests (e.g., Big Pharma, Big Banking, Big Bazookas, etc.) that are villains. But there are none as big as Big Zion when it comes to “divert[ing] foreign policy as far from what the national interest would otherwise suggest.”

    When the Koch Brothers outspend Adelson, your first question is if they’re Jewish.

    Again as Cynthia McKinney has admonished, “you’ve got to know who’s who in the zoo.” As a result, I always ask who is it that is talking and what is their background. Are they relatively objective or do they have a hidden agenda?

    Anti-war? Why ignore the weapons industry? Concerned about American crisis? Why dodge spending that dwarfs ‘the Lobby’ and shackles us to egregious failure in health care, transportation, wealth inequity, etc?

    The Lobby is responsible for diverting over $6 trillion toward PNAC’s goal to remake the MENA to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle. No other lobby has diverted that magnitude of resources that could have been spent on other more important priorities like health care, education, and the repair of dilapidated infrastructure.

    Art’s “American values” are “consistent – Big Jew, Little Jew, lemming, dishonesty, and too ostracize”. He’s welcome to say it and avoid whoever he likes. Doesn’t bother me. What happens when ostracism becomes internment? When citizen groups are robbed of individual Constitutional rights? Deprived of property? Prohibited from earning a living? Deported?

    Ask the 110,000 Japanese-Americans ‘ostracized’ in WW2. If alive, Acadians who survived the Grand Dérangement (1755-64) could tell you. Let alone Native Nations too numerous to count.

    That’s why I have been consistently imploring members of The Lobby to cease and desist their activities. One needn’t be a Nostradamus to predict that a backlash will soon follow, should this advice go unheeded and they continue on their reckless path.

    Sky is falling, falling, falling. The Lobby, Lobby, Lobby. Hop-Along-Cassandra meets Chicken Little.

    Go ahead, mock me. Time will tell who was right and who was wrong.

    You couldn’t care less about the MENA. You want a race state just like your fantasy Israel.

    Here, you’re being disingenuous. The first item on my list of recommended measures for draining the swamp is the repeal of the 1965 Immigration Act. How is calling for this the equivalent of advocating for an ethno-state? You’re attempt to create a straw man is futile… give it up.

    You ignite deep conspiracy and imminent crisis authored by one – and only one – villain. ‘The Lobby.’ Code, like “Cultural Marxists”, for Jews. The scapegoat. The fulcrum to emergency restrictions, your Euro-Ethno-State. A fire you set, then offer to put out.

    The power of The Lobby is a conspiracy I invented? Nice try, Incy. The Lobby is code for The Lobby. I call upon their members to cease and desist their activities and to restore the special relationship to a more normal footing. Pretty radical stuff, huh Incy? And the only ones vehemently defending the merits of an ethno-state are they same ones who are pushing the big lie that Diversity Is Our Strength. But instead of attacking them for their hypocrisy, you choose to attack me for pointing it out? Most peculiar, isn’t it?

    Kindly quote my defense, cite my aid.

    Let’s try it this way, Incy. Do you agree with me that the special relationship is doing tremendous damage to the interests of the American people and must be returned to a more normal footing, asap?

    You’re here accusing ‘the Lobby’ alone of multiple conspiracies. Imminent threats. Crisis after crisis. In essence, your ‘Lobby’ scapegoat completely controls the US government, military, international and domestic policy.

    Completely controls? I don’t think so. As M&W put it, The Lobby was the “driving force” behind the invasion of Iraq.

    Example? “Bush, Blair, Cheney and the rest of the traitors” are minimized by adding they “sold their souls for 30 shekels.” QED the real villain is ‘the Lobby’. Bush and the others were bribed. Corrupted by ‘the Lobby’.

    I’ve commented about the difference between an assassin and the eminence grise who puts out a contract on someone. In my books, I hold the brains behind the conspiracy more culpable than the hired thugs who execute it.

    Lesson? Faust isn’t as evil as the devil, mastermind seducer of innocents. ‘The Lobby’ is Satan in your mime. Race-baiting with gloves on.

    Race-baiting? Nice try. Shining a spotlight on the nefarious activities of The Lobby has nothing to do with who the members are. No, it has everything to do with what they do. But, you already knew that, didn’t you, Incy?

    Très bon, cher Javert! Est-ce que je reçois Elke Sommer?

    Elke Sommer était un tas de femme. Es-tu sûr de savoir quoi faire avec elle?

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  • @Incitatus
    Nothing like coming late to a party.

    A broad, homogenous ethnic group may, traced generation by generation, be a dog's breakfast. At least to families concerned. The custom of rival clan intermarriage in alliance or conflict settlement was pretty common. In fifty generations, one can easily find descent from bitter enemies and lands widely scattered. Genealogical diversity? Cheering for one side or the other is a matter of whimsy - Plantagenêt vs Captian vs Hohenstaufen vs Welf vs Wessex vs Dunkeld vs Komnenos vs Hauteville and so on.

    Where do the Norse fit in? They pop up everywhere by 11C. Normandie, Kiev, Byzantium, Apulia, Sicily, Terre-Sainte. Even the New World (L'Anse aux Meadows ±1000). Do most Europeans share descent?

    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse? Any significance in their vulnerability to European disease and alcohol?

    Merci mille fois. Très intéressant!

    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse?

    Are Jews uniform or diverse?

    Is Cheddar Man with his black skin more Northern European than Ashkenazim with their white skin?

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    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse?
    "Are Jews uniform or diverse?"
     
    Depends on one's definition? Metric? Subjective?
    Prefer to believe all diverse. Purity genie long out of the bottle.
    Makes life more interesting. Want uniformity? Spend your time before a mirror.

    Linguists put Hurons in the Iroquoian group, yet they were deadly League enemies. Uniform or diverse?

    Cheddar Man's a Vonnegut moment. Absurd preconception on full display. Genealogy has similar surprises - 'who knew my GGG grandfather was a horse thief' moments. That's what makes it fun. Worst skeleton in a family tree? Executioners. They're the pits.
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  • Paying attention to history and mob psychology instead of genetics and such could be more useful.

    Having a back-up country would be smart as well.

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  • @Sam Shama
    Act III? Please do not keep us in suspense. A commercial flight pattern change tells us what exactly?

    A commercial flight pattern change tells us what exactly?

    That there may have been some truth to this story published in Haaretz a while back:

    Saudi Arabia Denies It Offered Israeli Jets Flight Path to Iran

    Saudi Arabia denied Wednesday a report in Britain’s Sunday Express that said the Kingdom offered the Israel Air Force flight paths to attack Iranian nuclear facilities.

    The Sunday Express reported this week that the Saudis had agreed to turn a blind eye and not interfere should Israel and the United States attack Iranian nuclear facilities via Saudi air space.

    A senior Saudi official said Wednesday morning that the report was baseless, adding that his country would demand that the newspaper print a retraction and apology.

    The United States, France and United Kingdom demanded access last week to Iranian nuclear facilities after Iran revealed the existence of a second uranium enrichment plant in a letter to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5388325

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  • @Incitatus
    Nothing like coming late to a party.

    A broad, homogenous ethnic group may, traced generation by generation, be a dog's breakfast. At least to families concerned. The custom of rival clan intermarriage in alliance or conflict settlement was pretty common. In fifty generations, one can easily find descent from bitter enemies and lands widely scattered. Genealogical diversity? Cheering for one side or the other is a matter of whimsy - Plantagenêt vs Captian vs Hohenstaufen vs Welf vs Wessex vs Dunkeld vs Komnenos vs Hauteville and so on.

    Where do the Norse fit in? They pop up everywhere by 11C. Normandie, Kiev, Byzantium, Apulia, Sicily, Terre-Sainte. Even the New World (L'Anse aux Meadows ±1000). Do most Europeans share descent?

    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse? Any significance in their vulnerability to European disease and alcohol?

    Merci mille fois. Très intéressant!

    Well….for all your smarts (and I do mean that) you do miss the only practical fact there: it is not important what the truth is …all what is important, in that game, is what OTHER thinks of you.
    It’s not about hard facts and science; it’s about deep seated emotions. It is about perceptions.
    In practical terms, about mob rage.

    That’s how ethnic conflicts work.

    That’s a dark and uncomfortable topic.

    So, say, if Jews start getting targeted somewhere…….say……in Hungary, for example.
    Option 1: mob rage channeled by powers that be there. Not good for target group.
    Option 2 even worse: law and order already broken down and then the mob rage finds them as a target.

    In either case being chosen (pun intended) as a target won’t be based on any hard science and careful thinking.

    Some people here are, apparently, slightly concerned about similar scenarios should all this around us continue.

    Paying attention to history and mob psychology instead of genetics and such could be more useful.

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    "what is important, in that game, is what OTHER thinks of you"
     
    Who is "other"? Isn't that the question?

    I attempted to address diversity within a "homogenous" European label. Brits and Germans fall within it, yet the 20C is an object lesson in bloody distinction. Contrast oft engineered to unusual levels - invention of the 'House of Windsor' in 1917 to mask Saxe-Coburg and Gotha origins. Thoughts of being European were as likely divisive in rivalry as binding in commonality.

    Post Westphalia (1648) the standard definition of 'us' versus 'them' was the sovereign nation state. Empires complicated it with diverse constituents, some better than others (BE versus Habsburg). Definition seems a natural on-going process - cohesion based on domination or mutual interest. Revision can be traumatic (US Civil War, Versailles). Parts change (or not), nonetheless.

    Round-about way of asking what metric the nativist should use. Team, league or sport? Brexit seems to indicate team, with 'uniform Europe' still a construct.

    As for history and mob behavior being useful teachers, agree. Nazi Germany more than most.
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  • @Art
    What happens when ostracism becomes internment? When citizen groups are robbed of individual Constitutional rights? Deprived of property? Prohibited from earning a living? Deported?

    You mean like Israeli Jews are doing to Palestinians and black folks?

    How about a million man internment camp - Gaza?

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. Oh dear’ – the champion of the Jews falls into the trap of his own words – AGAIN!

    Art:
    “They [Jews] are destructive – sucking the good out of cultures – when chaos sets in, they wonder on!”

    Julius Streicher:
    “The Jew always lives from the blood of other peoples, he needs such murders and such sacrifices.”

    American values? What did the Greatest Generation think:
    “For his 25 years of speaking, writing and preaching hatred of the Jews, Streicher was widely known as ‘Jew-Baiter Number One.’ In his speeches and articles, week after week, month after month, he infected the German mind with the virus of anti-Semitism, and incited the German people to active persecution. … Streicher’s incitement to murder and extermination at the time when Jews in the East were being killed under the most horrible conditions clearly constitutes persecution on political and racial grounds in connection with war crimes, as defined by the Charter, and constitutes a crime against humanity.”
    -Nüremberg Judgement 1 Oct 1946

    Didn’t end well. Streicher swung for his ‘values’.

    Competing with Julius, Art?

    Never mind. Keep polishing those table legs.
    And, by all means, think peace.

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    How many people have the US Nazis killed in the last twenty years?

    For how many deaths, are the Jew Sacklers responsible? The opioid situation is killing 60,000 Americans a year.

    Good informed moral rational people will talk about and condemn the greedy Sacklers.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. This Jew champion’s contempt for peace, is more than telling. It informs us as to why Israel is so immoral.
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  • @helena
    Of course you knew that, n’est-ce pas?

    Bien sure mon chou. Permettez-moi de vous diriger vers ma correspondance antérieure avec le Chat d'Henri:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/eidolon-white-people-explain-classics-to-us/#comment-2196024

    #164

    Bises.

    Nothing like coming late to a party.

    A broad, homogenous ethnic group may, traced generation by generation, be a dog’s breakfast. At least to families concerned. The custom of rival clan intermarriage in alliance or conflict settlement was pretty common. In fifty generations, one can easily find descent from bitter enemies and lands widely scattered. Genealogical diversity? Cheering for one side or the other is a matter of whimsy – Plantagenêt vs Captian vs Hohenstaufen vs Welf vs Wessex vs Dunkeld vs Komnenos vs Hauteville and so on.

    Where do the Norse fit in? They pop up everywhere by 11C. Normandie, Kiev, Byzantium, Apulia, Sicily, Terre-Sainte. Even the New World (L’Anse aux Meadows ±1000). Do most Europeans share descent?

    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse? Any significance in their vulnerability to European disease and alcohol?

    Merci mille fois. Très intéressant!

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    Well....for all your smarts (and I do mean that) you do miss the only practical fact there: it is not important what the truth is ...all what is important, in that game, is what OTHER thinks of you.
    It's not about hard facts and science; it's about deep seated emotions. It is about perceptions.
    In practical terms, about mob rage.

    That's how ethnic conflicts work.

    That's a dark and uncomfortable topic.

    So, say, if Jews start getting targeted somewhere.......say......in Hungary, for example.
    Option 1: mob rage channeled by powers that be there. Not good for target group.
    Option 2 even worse: law and order already broken down and then the mob rage finds them as a target.

    In either case being chosen (pun intended) as a target won't be based on any hard science and careful thinking.

    Some people here are, apparently, slightly concerned about similar scenarios should all this around us continue.

    Paying attention to history and mob psychology instead of genetics and such could be more useful.
    , @iffen
    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse?

    Are Jews uniform or diverse?

    Is Cheddar Man with his black skin more Northern European than Ashkenazim with their white skin?
    , @helena
    Where do the Norse fit in? They pop up everywhere by 11C.

    First, I should apologise for making the sweeping claim to being a biologist. I've spent as much time doing up houses as teaching biology but my first degree and love was human biology and I've spent several years trying to digest the masses of info on archaeogenetic blogs.

    My single point really is this - modern humans didn't appear all at once and it seems that each group that emerged differed in some respects from the last. By looking at the spread of haplogroups (hg), the overwhelming impression I get is that groups emerge and spread out only to be replaced some time later by another group emerging and spreading out. So, as an example, haplogroup I is found in Scandinavia but less so in west Europe. West and East Europe are dominated by R. But we know Ihg emerged much earlier and travelled north from the Caucasus. What R does then, is move in from the East at the top of Europe and cuts I off in the north and south. And the same pattern can be found with D, C and O. C is found in Mongolia and Australia, D is found in Tibet and Japan. So it looks like O swept in and pushed D and C to the margins. You can see my ideas here but I agree my work is more of a scrapbook than peer-reviewed 'science'. https://culturalandscape.wordpress.com/2011/10/31/circles-in-a-spiral-2/ https://culturalandscape.wordpress.com/about-2/geographic-ancestry/

    Norsemen are found all over because they were all over and then their dominance waned. So I think the process is the same but 11C is a long time after Ihg came to Europe 40kya so of course in the meantime several groups had already merged. The only pure breds nowadays are going to be in places like the Amazon. But some groups like west europeans and chinese have a very high percentage of one or other haplogroup.

    I've just watched Maltese, a detective set in Sicily. One of the cops is called the Norman because Sicilians are very aware of their varied backgrounds and its a good place to observe people and see the different migratory influences coming together to create a shared culture and history. But my main gripe is that the 'mongrel' label dished out for west europeans is less accurate in west europe than it is for places where people insist they have racial purity. One only has to look at a map to see just how out of the way west europe is compared to the bridge between Africa and Asia where folks have been tramping back and forth for millenia. https://europeansaurus.wordpress.com/category/northeast-atlantic-archipelago/
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  • @helena
    The US Jew and the American Gentile is not a commensal relationship

    Yeah, I know. That's why I chose the word 'hope'.

    Anyway, Art, you give me hope. As long as I can read your comments I know I'm not alone.

    helena,

    I think that things are starting to go our way. Don’t forget that we are starting at zero – 100% of cultural messages in the media have been pro-Jew.

    Bit by bit there are some words starting to buck the 100% stonewall. Rand Paul is talking “bring the troops home.” Tulsi Gabbard is talking pro-Assad. Some guy is challenging the Speaker of the House, making in their face anti-Jew sounds. Some half Nazi alt-right guy from Illinois running for congress, was on CNN saying Jews run the media.

    Jews are no longer 100% in charge. For the first-time people are engaging the Jews. The Jews can never win, because they are truthfully wrong about everything political. Look what happens on UR – they lose every argument to the obvious facts.

    Think Peace — Art

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    Good to know. As we say in Evensong, 'Lord, let thy Chosen people be joyful'. I hope we can all be joyful one day.
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  • @Incitatus

    "Like bombing and invading countries that never represented a threat to America? You, no doubt, must be referring to those "American" values, no?"
     
    Protested such from Viet Nam on. Favor legal action against top "deciders" and their helpers (neocons included), Pentagon budget and weapons export reductions, draft reinstatement, de-militarization, etc.

    You? You blame war on 'the Lobby'. That's not all. Terrorism. GWOT. NK. MENA turmoil. 9/11. Diversity. Unchecked immigration. Political corruption. Campaign finance abuse. 'Cultural Marxism". Russia-gate. "Luggenpresse". "Weimerica". "Cold-War 2.0". "Big lies". You blame everything on 'the Lobby'. There is no other special interest, no other villain. When the Koch Brothers outspend Adelson, your first question is if they're Jewish.

    Anti-war? Why ignore the weapons industry? Concerned about American crisis? Why dodge spending that dwarfs 'the Lobby' and shackles us to egregious failure in health care, transportation, wealth inequity, etc?

    Art's "American values" are "consistent - Big Jew, Little Jew, lemming, dishonesty, and too ostracize". He's welcome to say it and avoid whoever he likes. Doesn't bother me. What happens when ostracism becomes internment? When citizen groups are robbed of individual Constitutional rights? Deprived of property? Prohibited from earning a living? Deported?

    Ask the 110,000 Japanese-Americans 'ostracized' in WW2. If alive, Acadians who survived the Grand Dérangement (1755-64) could tell you. Let alone Native Nations too numerous to count.

    "The Lobby is responsible for the conflagration that is consuming MENA and you accuse me of being the arsonist?"
     
    Sky is falling, falling, falling. The Lobby, Lobby, Lobby. Hop-Along-Cassandra meets Chicken Little.

    You couldn't care less about the MENA. You want a race state just like your fantasy Israel. "My goal is to help the people from European and European-derived countries shake off the cultural Marxist spell that claims that Diversity Is Our Strength, before it is too late…"

    You ignite deep conspiracy and imminent crisis authored by one - and only one - villain. 'The Lobby.' Code, like "Cultural Marxists", for Jews. The scapegoat. The fulcrum to emergency restrictions, your Euro-Ethno-State. A fire you set, then offer to put out.

    "By defending the indefensible, you are the one who is aiding and abetting The Lobby's efforts to remake the ME by destroying those countries deemed hostile to the Jewish state and the killing of even more innocent people."
     
    Kindly quote my defense, cite my aid.

    "I'm here pleading for them [The Lobby] to cease and desist their nefarious activities and you come along and accuse me of holding a rope?"
     
    You're here accusing 'the Lobby' alone of multiple conspiracies. Imminent threats. Crisis after crisis. In essence, your 'Lobby' scapegoat completely controls the US government, military, international and domestic policy.

    Example? "Bush, Blair, Cheney and the rest of the traitors" are minimized by adding they "sold their souls for 30 shekels." QED the real villain is 'the Lobby'. Bush and the others were bribed. Corrupted by 'the Lobby'. Lesson? Faust isn't as evil as the devil, mastermind seducer of innocents. 'The Lobby' is Satan in your mime. Race-baiting with gloves on.

    "Inspector Clouseau has nothing on you."
     
    Très bon, cher Javert! Est-ce que je reçois Elke Sommer?

    What happens when ostracism becomes internment? When citizen groups are robbed of individual Constitutional rights? Deprived of property? Prohibited from earning a living? Deported?

    You mean like Israeli Jews are doing to Palestinians and black folks?

    How about a million man internment camp – Gaza?

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. Oh dear’ – the champion of the Jews falls into the trap of his own words – AGAIN!

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    Art:
    "They [Jews] are destructive - sucking the good out of cultures - when chaos sets in, they wonder on!"

    Julius Streicher:
    "The Jew always lives from the blood of other peoples, he needs such murders and such sacrifices."

    American values? What did the Greatest Generation think:
    "For his 25 years of speaking, writing and preaching hatred of the Jews, Streicher was widely known as 'Jew-Baiter Number One.' In his speeches and articles, week after week, month after month, he infected the German mind with the virus of anti-Semitism, and incited the German people to active persecution. ... Streicher's incitement to murder and extermination at the time when Jews in the East were being killed under the most horrible conditions clearly constitutes persecution on political and racial grounds in connection with war crimes, as defined by the Charter, and constitutes a crime against humanity."
    -Nüremberg Judgement 1 Oct 1946

    Didn't end well. Streicher swung for his 'values'.

    Competing with Julius, Art?

    Never mind. Keep polishing those table legs.
    And, by all means, think peace.
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  • @helena
    Busy chasing rates or strolling along old cape cod?

    C'mon get with the program, TOC are toddlers of colour. boom, boom.

    I'm a biologist. Europeans are not going to survive. Because, unlike your lot, and precisely opposite to what we are constantly accused of, we are not supremacists; there is no core white group to carry our good work on. But the Earth will inherit our genes.

    Here's one of my pet theories. Hand waggling. North Europeans do what I call 'blocking'. They move their hands, palms facing, up and down. South Europeans waggle. I haven't studied other groups. Maybe it sounds a little crazy but, that's how North Europeans think, up and down, mechanically, logically. Very good for construction and science, not so good for trading. Trading is relativistic, there's no fixed price; it requires thinking v. quickly, assessing probabilities. Once a civilisation is built, the traders move in. It's nothing personal just the way of the world.

    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol.

    You should have tagged along with Miriam Margolis on her 'nosy Jew' (her words) trip to find out why people voted Trump. I can't remember which state it was but there on my TV screen was a huge billboard writ large 'Diversity is White Genocide'. Being in the uk where I could be arrested any minute for the comments I write here, I was utterly gobsmacked. Anyway, just imagine I rocked up in Israel, 'Hi, I'm a nosy Christian, give me a nice meal and then I'll tell you I think you are deluded'. Couldn't happen. could it?

    Busy with a bit of both :-)

    Why on earth do you say Europeans are not going to survive? And though “my lot” may be Jewish, many are European as well. 23andme would disagree with you if you disagreed. North Europeans, can be a literal lot. If you met my granny, who’s Austrian, you’d know exactly what linear thinking means [sos signal from the sinking ship goes to the German coastguard, "Help! We are sinking!". Met with the monotone "Yes, we hear you, what-are-you-sinkink?]

    Trading, not a North European thing? C’mon! What of the East India Trading Co.? Financial trading is all about English boys “making the markets” with frogs doing all the mathematical models! Could tell you a tale or two. Take a trip to Farringdon Without and speak to the fellows strolling around and you’ll see the truth of what I say.

    If you went to Israel proclaiming “I’m a nosy Christian” etc., what a lark that’d be! You’d be fed, wined, amused and amazed by the hospitality; and I assure you I’m not taking the piss here.

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    Why on earth do you say Europeans are not going to survive?

    Steve Jones a real biologist said it years ago but I've never been able to find a reference for it. He said the last pale skin and fair hair would be somewhere around the Baltic in about 200yrs.

    Then there is TFR, total fertility rate. I've read that when it drops below replacement level, which it has for all groups of Europeans, the group can't play catch up, the group or gene pool is on a downward spiral. Again no reference, sorry. But that's how biology works, it's all about threshholds.

    A man called Linton Herbert has a website called nobabies.net but it's not an easy site to negotiate. This sigmoid curve* is of the Scandinavian population and what Linton is saying is that there is an 'inbuilt' civilizational curve that can be shown in (some sort of insect he studies) which could equally apply to humans. Maths will be the death of all of us.
    *https://europeansaurus.wordpress.com/

    23andme would disagree with you if you disagreed

    Ooh, I'm not going to disagree with 23-and-me-or-you! Jewish ethnicity is a story book of 2000 years of diaspora living. Jewish genetics is extremely clever but I feel constrained to discuss it because convention ie. the Law, says it is homogenous. But if you promise not to report me this is what I think - women can bring new genes into the pool and men can spread jewish genes out of the pool into the surrounding pool. It's a brilliant design for survival combining both in-group virility and out-group support.

    Yes, we hear you, what-are-you-sinkink? :)


    Trading, not a North European thing?

    Ha, ha. One of my less well-developed theories. My son lives in Amsterdam, you should hear what he has to say about the Dutch and business, 'Mum, come away, she's just being nice because she wants to sell you something'. He's a bit asby like me so I guess he been had a few times.

    and I assure you I’m not taking the piss here.
    I don't doubt their hospitality, I grew up near Golders Green. But do you seriously think they would accept me telling them, in their own home, that I thought their settlements were illegal?

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  • @Sam Shama
    Hi Helena,
    I been busy and only now catching up on UR tête-à-têtes, and, a bit surprised to see you express a sentiment which Iffen nudged [perhaps your inner] Boudica to resist : -) ? Comments? What's TOC btw?

    Having followed the echoes in this chamber for three years now, I note the tone darkened for a select sample of writers and commentators, yourself not included.

    Of course, some, like your last interlocutor, Sam J, arrived on the scene rather behind on his prescription rabies shots, so there is little hope there, but, amongst others, I have noticed a remarkable downward spiral in attitudes. As to why that is happening is a fascinating question, to which I have certain conjectural answers. Mostly, it is the case of a very restricted diet causing delirium, but it is also self-selection I reckon.

    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol. I wonder what deprivations this self-selected group at UR has suffered to thus behave.

    Take one of them, Monsieur Jacques Sheete, who today believes that the Jews as a group are psychopaths; yet the same person told me not very long ago:


    Damn, Sam!

    I’m shocked at what you wrote there. I could have written a lot of it myself!


    Chinese are extremely transactional people. There is also a hardwired socialistic streak in Jews which predisposes them to share successes and winnings :). I think Gentiles in the US today, are mainly differentiated from Jews in that they carry a far smaller proportion of highly driven individuals. They are generally great to socialise with over a beer, but not if you are inclined to discuss business, let alone anything that taxes the cerebrum.
     
    I totally agree with every point there. I also try to avoid generalizations, but some are valid, and I’d say that Asians are generally “transactional,” not only Chinese.

    As for the Jews sharing winnings, I’ve learned that if I share with them, they are more than willing to share with me. That simply isn’t true with the average goy.

    As for the last sentence, it’s true, and the trait is cringeworthy to the max. In fact, the only goyim I know that are willing to discuss anything beyond “foooootball” and similar scat are a few of my relatives and a very precious friend from Brazil.I’m continuously shocked at the naivete, superficiality and sheer ignorance and stupidity of the many professional grade goyim that I come into contact with on a daily basis. Their intellectual laziness and lack of curiosity are stunning as well.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-i-got-fired/#comment-2032622

     

    Do you notice a mild change in opinion and tone? What caused it? Or, am I barmy?

    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol.

    Oh’ isn’t that amusing – Sam lives in a “Jews are delightful – nice Jews – nice Jews” world. Sam never hears any complaints about Jews. Wonder why?

    Of course, those “nice Jew” false images are enforced by coercion. People live in fear of saying truthful things about Jews. The Jews will destroy anyone who dares to speak against them. The Jew media hold a hammer over America’s freedom of speech.

    Take the Jew Sackler family – the creators of Oxycodone. This greedy Jew family is responsible for our current drug problems – killing 60,000 Americans a year. They mislead the worlds medical community about the addictive qualities of OxyContin. This has led to our current heroin epidemic. They are greedy killers, making billions of dollars off death.

    Why is the “Sackler” name not on the breath of every American – why are they not being coursed from pill to post – of course the answer is they are Jews, and the Jew media is hiding and protecting the bastards.

    So, Sam’s nice delightful kissy-face world is a sham, a false picture of reality.

    THE SECRETIVE FAMILY MAKING BILLIONS FROM THE OPIOID CRISIS

    …. …. ….

    Never comment publicly on the source of the family’s wealth.

    That may be because the greatest part of that $14 billion fortune tallied by Forbes came from OxyContin, the narcotic painkiller regarded by many public-health experts as among the most dangerous products ever sold on a mass scale.

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12775932/sackler-family-oxycontin/

    Think Peace — Art

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  • @geokat62
    Latest communication from The Israel Project (TIP):

    In Historic First, Saudi Arabia to Allow Air India Planes to Fly Over En Route to Israel

    Saudi Arabia has granted Air India approval to operate direct flights from and to Israel over its territory, marking a historic first, Haaretz reported on Wednesday.

    Air India is set to begin a thrice-weekly New Delhi-Tel Aviv route in March, shortening the traveling route from India to Israel by two-and-a-half hours.

    El Al is currently the only carrier that flies directly to India from Ben-Gurion International Airport to Mumbai. Using a different route, the airline flies over the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden and then north-east over the Arabian Sea to Mumbai.

    Some 58,000 Indian tourists came to Israel in 2017, a 47% increase from 2015, and 60,000 Israelis visited India in last year, a 20% increase from two years ago.

    This is not the first time Air India has asked for such approval, however, Saudi Arabia has never before allowed airlines to overfly its territory on the way to Israel. In fact, when news of the Air India route was made public a year ago, the assumption was that the flights would have to bypass Saudi airspace. For seventy years, the kingdom’s airspace had been closed not only to Israeli aircraft, but to carriers with flight routes to and from Israel.

    The decision signals increased cooperation between Israel and Saudi Arabia, in light of Iranian expansionism in the region. In September last year, a member of Saudi royal family reportedly made secret trip to Israel for high-level talks with Israeli officials.
     
    Any doubt Act III is around the corner?

    Good news, Geo. In Toronto this year. They want ideas! Propose a panel on Israel Lobby influence on Canadian and US foreign policy. You really should, you know. Watch David Swanson freak out.

    World Beyond War is planning an annual global conference in Toronto on September 21 and 22, 2018, at OCAD University (Ontario College of Art and Design University, 100 McCaul St, Toronto, ON M5T 1W1, Canada.

    http://worldbeyondwar.org/nowar2018/?link_id=1&can_id=19e6752b1f7957a48204dfa354f52137&source=email-nowar2018-open-for-registration-sponsors-ideas&email_referrer=email_298513&email_subject=nowar2018-open-for-registration-sponsors-ideas

    The “send us an idea” page -

    http://worldbeyondwar.org/contact-us-no-war-2018/

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  • @Incitatus
    Wouldn't be my first misinterpretation. Given Chedder Man, precisely what model of "ethnic/racial supremacy" do you suggest?

    Given Chedder Man, precisely what model of “ethnic/racial supremacy” do you suggest?

    Aryan? :)

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  • @Incitatus

    "Like bombing and invading countries that never represented a threat to America? You, no doubt, must be referring to those "American" values, no?"
     
    Protested such from Viet Nam on. Favor legal action against top "deciders" and their helpers (neocons included), Pentagon budget and weapons export reductions, draft reinstatement, de-militarization, etc.

    You? You blame war on 'the Lobby'. That's not all. Terrorism. GWOT. NK. MENA turmoil. 9/11. Diversity. Unchecked immigration. Political corruption. Campaign finance abuse. 'Cultural Marxism". Russia-gate. "Luggenpresse". "Weimerica". "Cold-War 2.0". "Big lies". You blame everything on 'the Lobby'. There is no other special interest, no other villain. When the Koch Brothers outspend Adelson, your first question is if they're Jewish.

    Anti-war? Why ignore the weapons industry? Concerned about American crisis? Why dodge spending that dwarfs 'the Lobby' and shackles us to egregious failure in health care, transportation, wealth inequity, etc?

    Art's "American values" are "consistent - Big Jew, Little Jew, lemming, dishonesty, and too ostracize". He's welcome to say it and avoid whoever he likes. Doesn't bother me. What happens when ostracism becomes internment? When citizen groups are robbed of individual Constitutional rights? Deprived of property? Prohibited from earning a living? Deported?

    Ask the 110,000 Japanese-Americans 'ostracized' in WW2. If alive, Acadians who survived the Grand Dérangement (1755-64) could tell you. Let alone Native Nations too numerous to count.

    "The Lobby is responsible for the conflagration that is consuming MENA and you accuse me of being the arsonist?"
     
    Sky is falling, falling, falling. The Lobby, Lobby, Lobby. Hop-Along-Cassandra meets Chicken Little.

    You couldn't care less about the MENA. You want a race state just like your fantasy Israel. "My goal is to help the people from European and European-derived countries shake off the cultural Marxist spell that claims that Diversity Is Our Strength, before it is too late…"

    You ignite deep conspiracy and imminent crisis authored by one - and only one - villain. 'The Lobby.' Code, like "Cultural Marxists", for Jews. The scapegoat. The fulcrum to emergency restrictions, your Euro-Ethno-State. A fire you set, then offer to put out.

    "By defending the indefensible, you are the one who is aiding and abetting The Lobby's efforts to remake the ME by destroying those countries deemed hostile to the Jewish state and the killing of even more innocent people."
     
    Kindly quote my defense, cite my aid.

    "I'm here pleading for them [The Lobby] to cease and desist their nefarious activities and you come along and accuse me of holding a rope?"
     
    You're here accusing 'the Lobby' alone of multiple conspiracies. Imminent threats. Crisis after crisis. In essence, your 'Lobby' scapegoat completely controls the US government, military, international and domestic policy.

    Example? "Bush, Blair, Cheney and the rest of the traitors" are minimized by adding they "sold their souls for 30 shekels." QED the real villain is 'the Lobby'. Bush and the others were bribed. Corrupted by 'the Lobby'. Lesson? Faust isn't as evil as the devil, mastermind seducer of innocents. 'The Lobby' is Satan in your mime. Race-baiting with gloves on.

    "Inspector Clouseau has nothing on you."
     
    Très bon, cher Javert! Est-ce que je reçois Elke Sommer?

    “…Why ignore the weapons industry? ..”

    Who owns the weapons industry? Do you know? I do.

    “By defending the indefensible, you are the one who is aiding and abetting The Lobby’s efforts to remake the ME by destroying those countries deemed hostile to the Jewish state and the killing of even more innocent people.”

    9-11, building 7, demoed

    …In essence, your ‘Lobby’ scapegoat completely controls the US government, military, international and domestic policy…”

    Yes but maybe not for much longer.

    “…Bush and the others were bribed. Corrupted by ‘the Lobby’…”

    No, blackmailed. Child sex.

    This why we need to get rid of the Jews.

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  • @geokat62
    Latest communication from The Israel Project (TIP):

    In Historic First, Saudi Arabia to Allow Air India Planes to Fly Over En Route to Israel

    Saudi Arabia has granted Air India approval to operate direct flights from and to Israel over its territory, marking a historic first, Haaretz reported on Wednesday.

    Air India is set to begin a thrice-weekly New Delhi-Tel Aviv route in March, shortening the traveling route from India to Israel by two-and-a-half hours.

    El Al is currently the only carrier that flies directly to India from Ben-Gurion International Airport to Mumbai. Using a different route, the airline flies over the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden and then north-east over the Arabian Sea to Mumbai.

    Some 58,000 Indian tourists came to Israel in 2017, a 47% increase from 2015, and 60,000 Israelis visited India in last year, a 20% increase from two years ago.

    This is not the first time Air India has asked for such approval, however, Saudi Arabia has never before allowed airlines to overfly its territory on the way to Israel. In fact, when news of the Air India route was made public a year ago, the assumption was that the flights would have to bypass Saudi airspace. For seventy years, the kingdom’s airspace had been closed not only to Israeli aircraft, but to carriers with flight routes to and from Israel.

    The decision signals increased cooperation between Israel and Saudi Arabia, in light of Iranian expansionism in the region. In September last year, a member of Saudi royal family reportedly made secret trip to Israel for high-level talks with Israeli officials.
     
    Any doubt Act III is around the corner?

    Act III? Please do not keep us in suspense. A commercial flight pattern change tells us what exactly?

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    A commercial flight pattern change tells us what exactly?
     
    That there may have been some truth to this story published in Haaretz a while back:

    Saudi Arabia Denies It Offered Israeli Jets Flight Path to Iran

    Saudi Arabia denied Wednesday a report in Britain's Sunday Express that said the Kingdom offered the Israel Air Force flight paths to attack Iranian nuclear facilities.

    The Sunday Express reported this week that the Saudis had agreed to turn a blind eye and not interfere should Israel and the United States attack Iranian nuclear facilities via Saudi air space.

    A senior Saudi official said Wednesday morning that the report was baseless, adding that his country would demand that the newspaper print a retraction and apology.

    The United States, France and United Kingdom demanded access last week to Iranian nuclear facilities after Iran revealed the existence of a second uranium enrichment plant in a letter to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5388325
     
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  • @iffen
    This does not address what I took Helena's point to be. To me, she is saying that the Europeans, and most of their descendants in the settler countries, have lost the will/desire/capacity/instinct to be/become/revert to ethnic/racial supremacists.

    Wouldn’t be my first misinterpretation. Given Chedder Man, precisely what model of “ethnic/racial supremacy” do you suggest?

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    Given Chedder Man, precisely what model of “ethnic/racial supremacy” do you suggest?

    Aryan? :)
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  • @iffen
    You saying there's something wrong with being a Celt?

    Not a bit of it, what do you take me for, some kind of racist?

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  • @Sam Shama
    I'd like to speak to you, really I do, but being bound by the standards of normality, must insist you get up to date on the rabies shots to cut the delirium.

    Best of luck

    Sam,

    The right choice. It may be rabies, but there’s also a bad case of Brain Lice making the rounds.

    Best

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  • @Incitatus

    "I'm a biologist. Europeans are not going to survive. Because, unlike your lot, and precisely opposite to what we are constantly accused of, we are not supremacists…"
     
    Seems that ship sailed some time ago:

    "The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had "dark to black" skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain's oldest complete skeleton has revealed."

    "The fossil, known as Cheddar Man, was unearthed more than a century ago in Gough's Cave in Somerset. Intense speculation has built up around Cheddar Man's origins and appearance because he lived shortly after the first settlers crossed from continental Europe to Britain at the end of the last ice age. People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population."

    "Tom Booth, an archaeologist at the Natural History Museum who worked on the project, said: "It really shows up that these imaginary racial categories that we have are really very modern constructions, or very recent constructions, that really are not applicable to the past at all."

    -Hannah Devlin Science Correspondent The Guardian 7 Feb 2018

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals
     
    Of course you knew that, n'est-ce pas? Hate to rain on anyone's parade.

    Of course you knew that, n’est-ce pas?

    Bien sure mon chou. Permettez-moi de vous diriger vers ma correspondance antérieure avec le Chat d’Henri:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/eidolon-white-people-explain-classics-to-us/#comment-2196024

    #164

    Bises.

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    Nothing like coming late to a party.

    A broad, homogenous ethnic group may, traced generation by generation, be a dog's breakfast. At least to families concerned. The custom of rival clan intermarriage in alliance or conflict settlement was pretty common. In fifty generations, one can easily find descent from bitter enemies and lands widely scattered. Genealogical diversity? Cheering for one side or the other is a matter of whimsy - Plantagenêt vs Captian vs Hohenstaufen vs Welf vs Wessex vs Dunkeld vs Komnenos vs Hauteville and so on.

    Where do the Norse fit in? They pop up everywhere by 11C. Normandie, Kiev, Byzantium, Apulia, Sicily, Terre-Sainte. Even the New World (L'Anse aux Meadows ±1000). Do most Europeans share descent?

    Are Algonquian and Iroquoian groups considered uniform or diverse? Any significance in their vulnerability to European disease and alcohol?

    Merci mille fois. Très intéressant!
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  • @geokat62

    Maybe his victims didn’t “wholeheartedly accept American values”?
     
    Like bombing and invading countries that never represented a threat to America? You, no doubt, must be referring to those "American" values, no?

    “Like bombing and invading countries that never represented a threat to America? You, no doubt, must be referring to those “American” values, no?”

    Protested such from Viet Nam on. Favor legal action against top “deciders” and their helpers (neocons included), Pentagon budget and weapons export reductions, draft reinstatement, de-militarization, etc.

    You? You blame war on ‘the Lobby’. That’s not all. Terrorism. GWOT. NK. MENA turmoil. 9/11. Diversity. Unchecked immigration. Political corruption. Campaign finance abuse. ‘Cultural Marxism”. Russia-gate. “Luggenpresse”. “Weimerica”. “Cold-War 2.0″. “Big lies”. You blame everything on ‘the Lobby’. There is no other special interest, no other villain. When the Koch Brothers outspend Adelson, your first question is if they’re Jewish.

    Anti-war? Why ignore the weapons industry? Concerned about American crisis? Why dodge spending that dwarfs ‘the Lobby’ and shackles us to egregious failure in health care, transportation, wealth inequity, etc?

    Art’s “American values” are “consistent – Big Jew, Little Jew, lemming, dishonesty, and too ostracize”. He’s welcome to say it and avoid whoever he likes. Doesn’t bother me. What happens when ostracism becomes internment? When citizen groups are robbed of individual Constitutional rights? Deprived of property? Prohibited from earning a living? Deported?

    Ask the 110,000 Japanese-Americans ‘ostracized’ in WW2. If alive, Acadians who survived the Grand Dérangement (1755-64) could tell you. Let alone Native Nations too numerous to count.

    “The Lobby is responsible for the conflagration that is consuming MENA and you accuse me of being the arsonist?”

    Sky is falling, falling, falling. The Lobby, Lobby, Lobby. Hop-Along-Cassandra meets Chicken Little.

    You couldn’t care less about the MENA. You want a race state just like your fantasy Israel. “My goal is to help the people from European and European-derived countries shake off the cultural Marxist spell that claims that Diversity Is Our Strength, before it is too late…”

    You ignite deep conspiracy and imminent crisis authored by one – and only one – villain. ‘The Lobby.’ Code, like “Cultural Marxists”, for Jews. The scapegoat. The fulcrum to emergency restrictions, your Euro-Ethno-State. A fire you set, then offer to put out.

    “By defending the indefensible, you are the one who is aiding and abetting The Lobby’s efforts to remake the ME by destroying those countries deemed hostile to the Jewish state and the killing of even more innocent people.”

    Kindly quote my defense, cite my aid.

    “I’m here pleading for them [The Lobby] to cease and desist their nefarious activities and you come along and accuse me of holding a rope?”

    You’re here accusing ‘the Lobby’ alone of multiple conspiracies. Imminent threats. Crisis after crisis. In essence, your ‘Lobby’ scapegoat completely controls the US government, military, international and domestic policy.

    Example? “Bush, Blair, Cheney and the rest of the traitors” are minimized by adding they “sold their souls for 30 shekels.” QED the real villain is ‘the Lobby’. Bush and the others were bribed. Corrupted by ‘the Lobby’. Lesson? Faust isn’t as evil as the devil, mastermind seducer of innocents. ‘The Lobby’ is Satan in your mime. Race-baiting with gloves on.

    “Inspector Clouseau has nothing on you.”

    Très bon, cher Javert! Est-ce que je reçois Elke Sommer?

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    "...Why ignore the weapons industry? .."

    Who owns the weapons industry? Do you know? I do.

    “By defending the indefensible, you are the one who is aiding and abetting The Lobby’s efforts to remake the ME by destroying those countries deemed hostile to the Jewish state and the killing of even more innocent people.”

    9-11, building 7, demoed


    ...In essence, your ‘Lobby’ scapegoat completely controls the US government, military, international and domestic policy..."

    Yes but maybe not for much longer.

    "...Bush and the others were bribed. Corrupted by ‘the Lobby’..."

    No, blackmailed. Child sex.

    This why we need to get rid of the Jews.
    , @Art
    What happens when ostracism becomes internment? When citizen groups are robbed of individual Constitutional rights? Deprived of property? Prohibited from earning a living? Deported?

    You mean like Israeli Jews are doing to Palestinians and black folks?

    How about a million man internment camp - Gaza?

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. Oh dear’ – the champion of the Jews falls into the trap of his own words – AGAIN!
    , @geokat62

    Protested such from Viet Nam on. Favor legal action against top “deciders” and their helpers (neocons included), Pentagon budget and weapons export reductions, draft reinstatement, de-militarization, etc.
     
    Glad to see we're on the same page on this one.

    You? You blame war on ‘the Lobby’. That’s not all.
     
    Terrorism. Check
    GWOT. Check
    NK. Check
    MENA turmoil. Check
    9/11. Check
    Diversity. Check
    Unchecked immigration. Check
    Political corruption. Check
    Campaign finance abuse. Check
    ‘Cultural Marxism”. Check
    Russia-gate. Check
    “Luggenpresse”. Check
    “Weimerica”. Check
    “Cold-War 2.0″. Check
    “Big lies”. Check

    You blame everything on ‘the Lobby’.
     
    Not everything, Incy. Just those items you've listed above.

    There is no other special interest, no other villain.
     
    Not true. There are a lot of other special interests (e.g., Big Pharma, Big Banking, Big Bazookas, etc.) that are villains. But there are none as big as Big Zion when it comes to "divert[ing] foreign policy as far from what the national interest would otherwise suggest."

    When the Koch Brothers outspend Adelson, your first question is if they’re Jewish.
     
    Again as Cynthia McKinney has admonished, "you've got to know who's who in the zoo." As a result, I always ask who is it that is talking and what is their background. Are they relatively objective or do they have a hidden agenda?

    Anti-war? Why ignore the weapons industry? Concerned about American crisis? Why dodge spending that dwarfs ‘the Lobby’ and shackles us to egregious failure in health care, transportation, wealth inequity, etc?
     
    The Lobby is responsible for diverting over $6 trillion toward PNAC's goal to remake the MENA to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle. No other lobby has diverted that magnitude of resources that could have been spent on other more important priorities like health care, education, and the repair of dilapidated infrastructure.

    Art’s “American values” are “consistent – Big Jew, Little Jew, lemming, dishonesty, and too ostracize”. He’s welcome to say it and avoid whoever he likes. Doesn’t bother me. What happens when ostracism becomes internment? When citizen groups are robbed of individual Constitutional rights? Deprived of property? Prohibited from earning a living? Deported?

    Ask the 110,000 Japanese-Americans ‘ostracized’ in WW2. If alive, Acadians who survived the Grand Dérangement (1755-64) could tell you. Let alone Native Nations too numerous to count.
     
    That's why I have been consistently imploring members of The Lobby to cease and desist their activities. One needn't be a Nostradamus to predict that a backlash will soon follow, should this advice go unheeded and they continue on their reckless path.

    Sky is falling, falling, falling. The Lobby, Lobby, Lobby. Hop-Along-Cassandra meets Chicken Little.
     
    Go ahead, mock me. Time will tell who was right and who was wrong.

    You couldn’t care less about the MENA. You want a race state just like your fantasy Israel.
     
    Here, you're being disingenuous. The first item on my list of recommended measures for draining the swamp is the repeal of the 1965 Immigration Act. How is calling for this the equivalent of advocating for an ethno-state? You're attempt to create a straw man is futile... give it up.

    You ignite deep conspiracy and imminent crisis authored by one – and only one – villain. ‘The Lobby.’ Code, like “Cultural Marxists”, for Jews. The scapegoat. The fulcrum to emergency restrictions, your Euro-Ethno-State. A fire you set, then offer to put out.
     
    The power of The Lobby is a conspiracy I invented? Nice try, Incy. The Lobby is code for The Lobby. I call upon their members to cease and desist their activities and to restore the special relationship to a more normal footing. Pretty radical stuff, huh Incy? And the only ones vehemently defending the merits of an ethno-state are they same ones who are pushing the big lie that Diversity Is Our Strength. But instead of attacking them for their hypocrisy, you choose to attack me for pointing it out? Most peculiar, isn't it?

    Kindly quote my defense, cite my aid.
     
    Let's try it this way, Incy. Do you agree with me that the special relationship is doing tremendous damage to the interests of the American people and must be returned to a more normal footing, asap?

    You’re here accusing ‘the Lobby’ alone of multiple conspiracies. Imminent threats. Crisis after crisis. In essence, your ‘Lobby’ scapegoat completely controls the US government, military, international and domestic policy.
     
    Completely controls? I don't think so. As M&W put it, The Lobby was the "driving force" behind the invasion of Iraq.

    Example? “Bush, Blair, Cheney and the rest of the traitors” are minimized by adding they “sold their souls for 30 shekels.” QED the real villain is ‘the Lobby’. Bush and the others were bribed. Corrupted by ‘the Lobby’.
     
    I've commented about the difference between an assassin and the eminence grise who puts out a contract on someone. In my books, I hold the brains behind the conspiracy more culpable than the hired thugs who execute it.

    Lesson? Faust isn’t as evil as the devil, mastermind seducer of innocents. ‘The Lobby’ is Satan in your mime. Race-baiting with gloves on.
     
    Race-baiting? Nice try. Shining a spotlight on the nefarious activities of The Lobby has nothing to do with who the members are. No, it has everything to do with what they do. But, you already knew that, didn't you, Incy?

    Très bon, cher Javert! Est-ce que je reçois Elke Sommer?
     
    Elke Sommer était un tas de femme. Es-tu sûr de savoir quoi faire avec elle?
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  • @helena
    Busy chasing rates or strolling along old cape cod?

    C'mon get with the program, TOC are toddlers of colour. boom, boom.

    I'm a biologist. Europeans are not going to survive. Because, unlike your lot, and precisely opposite to what we are constantly accused of, we are not supremacists; there is no core white group to carry our good work on. But the Earth will inherit our genes.

    Here's one of my pet theories. Hand waggling. North Europeans do what I call 'blocking'. They move their hands, palms facing, up and down. South Europeans waggle. I haven't studied other groups. Maybe it sounds a little crazy but, that's how North Europeans think, up and down, mechanically, logically. Very good for construction and science, not so good for trading. Trading is relativistic, there's no fixed price; it requires thinking v. quickly, assessing probabilities. Once a civilisation is built, the traders move in. It's nothing personal just the way of the world.

    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol.

    You should have tagged along with Miriam Margolis on her 'nosy Jew' (her words) trip to find out why people voted Trump. I can't remember which state it was but there on my TV screen was a huge billboard writ large 'Diversity is White Genocide'. Being in the uk where I could be arrested any minute for the comments I write here, I was utterly gobsmacked. Anyway, just imagine I rocked up in Israel, 'Hi, I'm a nosy Christian, give me a nice meal and then I'll tell you I think you are deluded'. Couldn't happen. could it?

    Once a civilisation is built, the traders move in.

    Trade is integral to having (and building) a great civilization.

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  • @helena
    Sorry to break the news to you but 2/3 of toddlers in USA are TOC.
    you're further ahead of the curve than we are in uk.
    Trump is the calm before the storm; the prisoner's last meal.

    “2/3 of toddlers in USA are Table of Contents?”

    Totally out of clues?

    Tinkling on their caregivers?

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  • @Incitatus

    "I'm a biologist. Europeans are not going to survive. Because, unlike your lot, and precisely opposite to what we are constantly accused of, we are not supremacists…"
     
    Seems that ship sailed some time ago:

    "The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had "dark to black" skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain's oldest complete skeleton has revealed."

    "The fossil, known as Cheddar Man, was unearthed more than a century ago in Gough's Cave in Somerset. Intense speculation has built up around Cheddar Man's origins and appearance because he lived shortly after the first settlers crossed from continental Europe to Britain at the end of the last ice age. People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population."

    "Tom Booth, an archaeologist at the Natural History Museum who worked on the project, said: "It really shows up that these imaginary racial categories that we have are really very modern constructions, or very recent constructions, that really are not applicable to the past at all."

    -Hannah Devlin Science Correspondent The Guardian 7 Feb 2018

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals
     
    Of course you knew that, n'est-ce pas? Hate to rain on anyone's parade.

    This does not address what I took Helena’s point to be. To me, she is saying that the Europeans, and most of their descendants in the settler countries, have lost the will/desire/capacity/instinct to be/become/revert to ethnic/racial supremacists.

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    Wouldn't be my first misinterpretation. Given Chedder Man, precisely what model of "ethnic/racial supremacy" do you suggest?
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  • @helena
    you calling me a celt?

    https://skepticalhumanities.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/vikings_lagertha_3-p.jpeg

    You saying there’s something wrong with being a Celt?

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    Not a bit of it, what do you take me for, some kind of racist?


    http://i.pinimg.com/736x/90/bb/a1/90bba1fdc85cff56b76704f39103090f.jpg
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  • @helena
    Busy chasing rates or strolling along old cape cod?

    C'mon get with the program, TOC are toddlers of colour. boom, boom.

    I'm a biologist. Europeans are not going to survive. Because, unlike your lot, and precisely opposite to what we are constantly accused of, we are not supremacists; there is no core white group to carry our good work on. But the Earth will inherit our genes.

    Here's one of my pet theories. Hand waggling. North Europeans do what I call 'blocking'. They move their hands, palms facing, up and down. South Europeans waggle. I haven't studied other groups. Maybe it sounds a little crazy but, that's how North Europeans think, up and down, mechanically, logically. Very good for construction and science, not so good for trading. Trading is relativistic, there's no fixed price; it requires thinking v. quickly, assessing probabilities. Once a civilisation is built, the traders move in. It's nothing personal just the way of the world.

    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol.

    You should have tagged along with Miriam Margolis on her 'nosy Jew' (her words) trip to find out why people voted Trump. I can't remember which state it was but there on my TV screen was a huge billboard writ large 'Diversity is White Genocide'. Being in the uk where I could be arrested any minute for the comments I write here, I was utterly gobsmacked. Anyway, just imagine I rocked up in Israel, 'Hi, I'm a nosy Christian, give me a nice meal and then I'll tell you I think you are deluded'. Couldn't happen. could it?

    “I’m a biologist. Europeans are not going to survive. Because, unlike your lot, and precisely opposite to what we are constantly accused of, we are not supremacists…”

    Seems that ship sailed some time ago:

    “The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had “dark to black” skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain’s oldest complete skeleton has revealed.”

    “The fossil, known as Cheddar Man, was unearthed more than a century ago in Gough’s Cave in Somerset. Intense speculation has built up around Cheddar Man’s origins and appearance because he lived shortly after the first settlers crossed from continental Europe to Britain at the end of the last ice age. People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population.”

    “Tom Booth, an archaeologist at the Natural History Museum who worked on the project, said: “It really shows up that these imaginary racial categories that we have are really very modern constructions, or very recent constructions, that really are not applicable to the past at all.”

    -Hannah Devlin Science Correspondent The Guardian 7 Feb 2018

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals

    Of course you knew that, n’est-ce pas? Hate to rain on anyone’s parade.

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    This does not address what I took Helena's point to be. To me, she is saying that the Europeans, and most of their descendants in the settler countries, have lost the will/desire/capacity/instinct to be/become/revert to ethnic/racial supremacists.
    , @helena
    Of course you knew that, n’est-ce pas?

    Bien sure mon chou. Permettez-moi de vous diriger vers ma correspondance antérieure avec le Chat d'Henri:

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/eidolon-white-people-explain-classics-to-us/#comment-2196024

    #164

    Bises.
    , @Sam J.
    "...“The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had “dark to black” skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain’s oldest complete skeleton has revealed.”..."

    I don't believe this. With all the fraud in the scientific community I think this could very well be a lie. It also could be someone Black who was in Britain and have nothing to do with the community at large.

    A good question is where did the Canary Islanders come from? Why did they look like Cro-Mags. Why were they White? If this "Whiteness" was so recent then how did they get there?
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  • @Sam Shama
    Since 'It's always the Jews', I insist on an acknowledgement of the debt of gratitude owed us, from all who care not to respond to your posts for fear of contagion.

    Concernedly,
    Sam S

    Sigh…haven’t you been paying attention. We’re not up to doing anymore “task” for the Jews. I’ll have to pass on that and anyways the Jews are only responsible for the bad stuff. The good we can take care ourselves.

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  • Latest communication from The Israel Project (TIP):

    In Historic First, Saudi Arabia to Allow Air India Planes to Fly Over En Route to Israel

    Saudi Arabia has granted Air India approval to operate direct flights from and to Israel over its territory, marking a historic first, Haaretz reported on Wednesday.

    Air India is set to begin a thrice-weekly New Delhi-Tel Aviv route in March, shortening the traveling route from India to Israel by two-and-a-half hours.

    El Al is currently the only carrier that flies directly to India from Ben-Gurion International Airport to Mumbai. Using a different route, the airline flies over the Red Sea to the Gulf of Aden and then north-east over the Arabian Sea to Mumbai.

    Some 58,000 Indian tourists came to Israel in 2017, a 47% increase from 2015, and 60,000 Israelis visited India in last year, a 20% increase from two years ago.

    This is not the first time Air India has asked for such approval, however, Saudi Arabia has never before allowed airlines to overfly its territory on the way to Israel. In fact, when news of the Air India route was made public a year ago, the assumption was that the flights would have to bypass Saudi airspace. For seventy years, the kingdom’s airspace had been closed not only to Israeli aircraft, but to carriers with flight routes to and from Israel.

    The decision signals increased cooperation between Israel and Saudi Arabia, in light of Iranian expansionism in the region. In September last year, a member of Saudi royal family reportedly made secret trip to Israel for high-level talks with Israeli officials.

    Any doubt Act III is around the corner?

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    Act III? Please do not keep us in suspense. A commercial flight pattern change tells us what exactly?
    , @RobinG
    Good news, Geo. In Toronto this year. They want ideas! Propose a panel on Israel Lobby influence on Canadian and US foreign policy. You really should, you know. Watch David Swanson freak out.


    World Beyond War is planning an annual global conference in Toronto on September 21 and 22, 2018, at OCAD University (Ontario College of Art and Design University, 100 McCaul St, Toronto, ON M5T 1W1, Canada.
    http://worldbeyondwar.org/nowar2018/?link_id=1&can_id=19e6752b1f7957a48204dfa354f52137&source=email-nowar2018-open-for-registration-sponsors-ideas&email_referrer=email_298513&email_subject=nowar2018-open-for-registration-sponsors-ideas

    The "send us an idea" page -
    http://worldbeyondwar.org/contact-us-no-war-2018/
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  • @Sam Shama
    Hi Helena,
    I been busy and only now catching up on UR tête-à-têtes, and, a bit surprised to see you express a sentiment which Iffen nudged [perhaps your inner] Boudica to resist : -) ? Comments? What's TOC btw?

    Having followed the echoes in this chamber for three years now, I note the tone darkened for a select sample of writers and commentators, yourself not included.

    Of course, some, like your last interlocutor, Sam J, arrived on the scene rather behind on his prescription rabies shots, so there is little hope there, but, amongst others, I have noticed a remarkable downward spiral in attitudes. As to why that is happening is a fascinating question, to which I have certain conjectural answers. Mostly, it is the case of a very restricted diet causing delirium, but it is also self-selection I reckon.

    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol. I wonder what deprivations this self-selected group at UR has suffered to thus behave.

    Take one of them, Monsieur Jacques Sheete, who today believes that the Jews as a group are psychopaths; yet the same person told me not very long ago:


    Damn, Sam!

    I’m shocked at what you wrote there. I could have written a lot of it myself!


    Chinese are extremely transactional people. There is also a hardwired socialistic streak in Jews which predisposes them to share successes and winnings :). I think Gentiles in the US today, are mainly differentiated from Jews in that they carry a far smaller proportion of highly driven individuals. They are generally great to socialise with over a beer, but not if you are inclined to discuss business, let alone anything that taxes the cerebrum.
     
    I totally agree with every point there. I also try to avoid generalizations, but some are valid, and I’d say that Asians are generally “transactional,” not only Chinese.

    As for the Jews sharing winnings, I’ve learned that if I share with them, they are more than willing to share with me. That simply isn’t true with the average goy.

    As for the last sentence, it’s true, and the trait is cringeworthy to the max. In fact, the only goyim I know that are willing to discuss anything beyond “foooootball” and similar scat are a few of my relatives and a very precious friend from Brazil.I’m continuously shocked at the naivete, superficiality and sheer ignorance and stupidity of the many professional grade goyim that I come into contact with on a daily basis. Their intellectual laziness and lack of curiosity are stunning as well.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-i-got-fired/#comment-2032622

     

    Do you notice a mild change in opinion and tone? What caused it? Or, am I barmy?

    Busy chasing rates or strolling along old cape cod?

    C’mon get with the program, TOC are toddlers of colour. boom, boom.

    I’m a biologist. Europeans are not going to survive. Because, unlike your lot, and precisely opposite to what we are constantly accused of, we are not supremacists; there is no core white group to carry our good work on. But the Earth will inherit our genes.

    Here’s one of my pet theories. Hand waggling. North Europeans do what I call ‘blocking’. They move their hands, palms facing, up and down. South Europeans waggle. I haven’t studied other groups. Maybe it sounds a little crazy but, that’s how North Europeans think, up and down, mechanically, logically. Very good for construction and science, not so good for trading. Trading is relativistic, there’s no fixed price; it requires thinking v. quickly, assessing probabilities. Once a civilisation is built, the traders move in. It’s nothing personal just the way of the world.

    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol.

    You should have tagged along with Miriam Margolis on her ‘nosy Jew’ (her words) trip to find out why people voted Trump. I can’t remember which state it was but there on my TV screen was a huge billboard writ large ‘Diversity is White Genocide’. Being in the uk where I could be arrested any minute for the comments I write here, I was utterly gobsmacked. Anyway, just imagine I rocked up in Israel, ‘Hi, I’m a nosy Christian, give me a nice meal and then I’ll tell you I think you are deluded’. Couldn’t happen. could it?

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    "I'm a biologist. Europeans are not going to survive. Because, unlike your lot, and precisely opposite to what we are constantly accused of, we are not supremacists…"
     
    Seems that ship sailed some time ago:

    "The first modern Britons, who lived about 10,000 years ago, had "dark to black" skin, a groundbreaking DNA analysis of Britain's oldest complete skeleton has revealed."

    "The fossil, known as Cheddar Man, was unearthed more than a century ago in Gough's Cave in Somerset. Intense speculation has built up around Cheddar Man's origins and appearance because he lived shortly after the first settlers crossed from continental Europe to Britain at the end of the last ice age. People of white British ancestry alive today are descendants of this population."

    "Tom Booth, an archaeologist at the Natural History Museum who worked on the project, said: "It really shows up that these imaginary racial categories that we have are really very modern constructions, or very recent constructions, that really are not applicable to the past at all."

    -Hannah Devlin Science Correspondent The Guardian 7 Feb 2018

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals
     
    Of course you knew that, n'est-ce pas? Hate to rain on anyone's parade.
    , @iffen
    Once a civilisation is built, the traders move in.

    Trade is integral to having (and building) a great civilization.
    , @Sam Shama
    Busy with a bit of both :-)

    Why on earth do you say Europeans are not going to survive? And though "my lot" may be Jewish, many are European as well. 23andme would disagree with you if you disagreed. North Europeans, can be a literal lot. If you met my granny, who's Austrian, you'd know exactly what linear thinking means [sos signal from the sinking ship goes to the German coastguard, "Help! We are sinking!". Met with the monotone "Yes, we hear you, what-are-you-sinkink?]

    Trading, not a North European thing? C'mon! What of the East India Trading Co.? Financial trading is all about English boys "making the markets" with frogs doing all the mathematical models! Could tell you a tale or two. Take a trip to Farringdon Without and speak to the fellows strolling around and you'll see the truth of what I say.

    If you went to Israel proclaiming "I'm a nosy Christian" etc., what a lark that'd be! You'd be fed, wined, amused and amazed by the hospitality; and I assure you I'm not taking the piss here.
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  • @Sam J.
    "...Chuck Barris was Jewish, de facto part of ‘the Lobby’. It must have been an insidious Hebrew plot to corrupt innocent real Americans!..."

    You think you're so sly? Well I'll have you know that Chuck Barris made Wendy Williams, later of the Plasmatics, shoot ping pong balls out of her pussy and that later probably caused her suicide. It's always the Jews. :)

    Since ‘It’s always the Jews’, I insist on an acknowledgement of the debt of gratitude owed us, from all who care not to respond to your posts for fear of contagion.

    Concernedly,
    Sam S

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    Sigh...haven't you been paying attention. We're not up to doing anymore "task" for the Jews. I'll have to pass on that and anyways the Jews are only responsible for the bad stuff. The good we can take care ourselves.
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  • @Sam J.
    "...I have noticed a remarkable downward spiral in attitudes..."

    The more the Jews control things the worse they get. The more people realize this the worse they hate the Jews. If you make life bad, society bad then people will hate you. It's not difficult. Jews are always are making these, supposedly, profound statements about morality when in reality they are making life miserable for others by ripping them off and shitting all over their society. I wonder sometimes if you're all just bat shit crazy or do you actually believe your own bullshit. Studies of psychopaths found that sometimes that they did believe their own bullshit even though it was totally whacked. This may be happening with Jews. Especially since they have control of most of the media. They feed back disinformation to themselves along with us.

    "... In fact, the only goyim I know that are willing to discuss anything beyond “foooootball” and similar scat are a few of my relatives and a very precious friend from Brazil.I’m continuously shocked at the naivete, superficiality and sheer ignorance and stupidity of the many professional grade goyim that I come into contact with on a daily basis. Their intellectual laziness and lack of curiosity are stunning as well..."

    That's because they know the fix is in and don't talk to you about things that matter. You think it's them but...it's you they don't wish to talk to. If I get around anyone I suspect in the slightest is a Jew I really work it. I talk about monster truck racing. Works every time to "get rid of the Jew" which gives me great joy. They run right along. The smarter the person the less likely they are to talk to Jews in person about anything but football and monster trucks.

    I’d like to speak to you, really I do, but being bound by the standards of normality, must insist you get up to date on the rabies shots to cut the delirium.

    Best of luck

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    Sam,

    The right choice. It may be rabies, but there's also a bad case of Brain Lice making the rounds.

    Best
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  • @Sam Shama
    Hi Helena,
    I been busy and only now catching up on UR tête-à-têtes, and, a bit surprised to see you express a sentiment which Iffen nudged [perhaps your inner] Boudica to resist : -) ? Comments? What's TOC btw?

    Having followed the echoes in this chamber for three years now, I note the tone darkened for a select sample of writers and commentators, yourself not included.

    Of course, some, like your last interlocutor, Sam J, arrived on the scene rather behind on his prescription rabies shots, so there is little hope there, but, amongst others, I have noticed a remarkable downward spiral in attitudes. As to why that is happening is a fascinating question, to which I have certain conjectural answers. Mostly, it is the case of a very restricted diet causing delirium, but it is also self-selection I reckon.

    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol. I wonder what deprivations this self-selected group at UR has suffered to thus behave.

    Take one of them, Monsieur Jacques Sheete, who today believes that the Jews as a group are psychopaths; yet the same person told me not very long ago:


    Damn, Sam!

    I’m shocked at what you wrote there. I could have written a lot of it myself!


    Chinese are extremely transactional people. There is also a hardwired socialistic streak in Jews which predisposes them to share successes and winnings :). I think Gentiles in the US today, are mainly differentiated from Jews in that they carry a far smaller proportion of highly driven individuals. They are generally great to socialise with over a beer, but not if you are inclined to discuss business, let alone anything that taxes the cerebrum.
     
    I totally agree with every point there. I also try to avoid generalizations, but some are valid, and I’d say that Asians are generally “transactional,” not only Chinese.

    As for the Jews sharing winnings, I’ve learned that if I share with them, they are more than willing to share with me. That simply isn’t true with the average goy.

    As for the last sentence, it’s true, and the trait is cringeworthy to the max. In fact, the only goyim I know that are willing to discuss anything beyond “foooootball” and similar scat are a few of my relatives and a very precious friend from Brazil.I’m continuously shocked at the naivete, superficiality and sheer ignorance and stupidity of the many professional grade goyim that I come into contact with on a daily basis. Their intellectual laziness and lack of curiosity are stunning as well.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-i-got-fired/#comment-2032622

     

    Do you notice a mild change in opinion and tone? What caused it? Or, am I barmy?

    “…I have noticed a remarkable downward spiral in attitudes…”

    The more the Jews control things the worse they get. The more people realize this the worse they hate the Jews. If you make life bad, society bad then people will hate you. It’s not difficult. Jews are always are making these, supposedly, profound statements about morality when in reality they are making life miserable for others by ripping them off and shitting all over their society. I wonder sometimes if you’re all just bat shit crazy or do you actually believe your own bullshit. Studies of psychopaths found that sometimes that they did believe their own bullshit even though it was totally whacked. This may be happening with Jews. Especially since they have control of most of the media. They feed back disinformation to themselves along with us.

    “… In fact, the only goyim I know that are willing to discuss anything beyond “foooootball” and similar scat are a few of my relatives and a very precious friend from Brazil.I’m continuously shocked at the naivete, superficiality and sheer ignorance and stupidity of the many professional grade goyim that I come into contact with on a daily basis. Their intellectual laziness and lack of curiosity are stunning as well…”

    That’s because they know the fix is in and don’t talk to you about things that matter. You think it’s them but…it’s you they don’t wish to talk to. If I get around anyone I suspect in the slightest is a Jew I really work it. I talk about monster truck racing. Works every time to “get rid of the Jew” which gives me great joy. They run right along. The smarter the person the less likely they are to talk to Jews in person about anything but football and monster trucks.

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    I'd like to speak to you, really I do, but being bound by the standards of normality, must insist you get up to date on the rabies shots to cut the delirium.

    Best of luck
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  • @helena
    Sorry to break the news to you but 2/3 of toddlers in USA are TOC.
    you're further ahead of the curve than we are in uk.
    Trump is the calm before the storm; the prisoner's last meal.

    “…Sorry to break the news to you but 2/3 of toddlers in USA are TOC…”

    HAHAHHA you think that’s a problem for me. Nooooo it’s a problem for the Jews. You think these people like Jews? Are you daft? No the Whites are going to work with the POC and throw the Jews out.

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  • @Incitatus

    "The article clearly stated - emphasized, even - that the man was resentful that he could not find a woman."
     
    No other American male has that problem? A country with a 40+% divorce rate? Eight year average length of marriage? Does ASB (Acute Sperm Buildup) automatically suggest Nazism and a shooting spree?

    Should we call for redux of 'The Dating Game' as therapy? Wait, no - Chuck Barris was Jewish, de facto part of 'the Lobby'. It must have been an insidious Hebrew plot to corrupt innocent real Americans!

    Better to stress the inspirational precedents of dedicated bachelorhood. Selfless lonely service making a country great against all odds. With only a (female) dog for public companionship. Anyone come to mind S2C?

    On second thought, that's not such a good idea. He had anger problems too.

    “…Chuck Barris was Jewish, de facto part of ‘the Lobby’. It must have been an insidious Hebrew plot to corrupt innocent real Americans!…”

    You think you’re so sly? Well I’ll have you know that Chuck Barris made Wendy Williams, later of the Plasmatics, shoot ping pong balls out of her pussy and that later probably caused her suicide. It’s always the Jews. :)

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    Since 'It's always the Jews', I insist on an acknowledgement of the debt of gratitude owed us, from all who care not to respond to your posts for fear of contagion.

    Concernedly,
    Sam S
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  • @helena
    Sorry to break the news to you but 2/3 of toddlers in USA are TOC.
    you're further ahead of the curve than we are in uk.
    Trump is the calm before the storm; the prisoner's last meal.

    Hi Helena,
    I been busy and only now catching up on UR tête-à-têtes, and, a bit surprised to see you express a sentiment which Iffen nudged [perhaps your inner] Boudica to resist : -) ? Comments? What’s TOC btw?

    Having followed the echoes in this chamber for three years now, I note the tone darkened for a select sample of writers and commentators, yourself not included.

    Of course, some, like your last interlocutor, Sam J, arrived on the scene rather behind on his prescription rabies shots, so there is little hope there, but, amongst others, I have noticed a remarkable downward spiral in attitudes. As to why that is happening is a fascinating question, to which I have certain conjectural answers. Mostly, it is the case of a very restricted diet causing delirium, but it is also self-selection I reckon.

    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol. I wonder what deprivations this self-selected group at UR has suffered to thus behave.

    Take one of them, Monsieur Jacques Sheete, who today believes that the Jews as a group are psychopaths; yet the same person told me not very long ago:

    Damn, Sam!

    I’m shocked at what you wrote there. I could have written a lot of it myself!

    Chinese are extremely transactional people. There is also a hardwired socialistic streak in Jews which predisposes them to share successes and winnings :). I think Gentiles in the US today, are mainly differentiated from Jews in that they carry a far smaller proportion of highly driven individuals. They are generally great to socialise with over a beer, but not if you are inclined to discuss business, let alone anything that taxes the cerebrum.

    I totally agree with every point there. I also try to avoid generalizations, but some are valid, and I’d say that Asians are generally “transactional,” not only Chinese.

    As for the Jews sharing winnings, I’ve learned that if I share with them, they are more than willing to share with me. That simply isn’t true with the average goy.

    As for the last sentence, it’s true, and the trait is cringeworthy to the max. In fact, the only goyim I know that are willing to discuss anything beyond “foooootball” and similar scat are a few of my relatives and a very precious friend from Brazil.I’m continuously shocked at the naivete, superficiality and sheer ignorance and stupidity of the many professional grade goyim that I come into contact with on a daily basis. Their intellectual laziness and lack of curiosity are stunning as well.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-i-got-fired/#comment-2032622

    Do you notice a mild change in opinion and tone? What caused it? Or, am I barmy?

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    "...I have noticed a remarkable downward spiral in attitudes..."

    The more the Jews control things the worse they get. The more people realize this the worse they hate the Jews. If you make life bad, society bad then people will hate you. It's not difficult. Jews are always are making these, supposedly, profound statements about morality when in reality they are making life miserable for others by ripping them off and shitting all over their society. I wonder sometimes if you're all just bat shit crazy or do you actually believe your own bullshit. Studies of psychopaths found that sometimes that they did believe their own bullshit even though it was totally whacked. This may be happening with Jews. Especially since they have control of most of the media. They feed back disinformation to themselves along with us.

    "... In fact, the only goyim I know that are willing to discuss anything beyond “foooootball” and similar scat are a few of my relatives and a very precious friend from Brazil.I’m continuously shocked at the naivete, superficiality and sheer ignorance and stupidity of the many professional grade goyim that I come into contact with on a daily basis. Their intellectual laziness and lack of curiosity are stunning as well..."

    That's because they know the fix is in and don't talk to you about things that matter. You think it's them but...it's you they don't wish to talk to. If I get around anyone I suspect in the slightest is a Jew I really work it. I talk about monster truck racing. Works every time to "get rid of the Jew" which gives me great joy. They run right along. The smarter the person the less likely they are to talk to Jews in person about anything but football and monster trucks.
    , @helena
    Busy chasing rates or strolling along old cape cod?

    C'mon get with the program, TOC are toddlers of colour. boom, boom.

    I'm a biologist. Europeans are not going to survive. Because, unlike your lot, and precisely opposite to what we are constantly accused of, we are not supremacists; there is no core white group to carry our good work on. But the Earth will inherit our genes.

    Here's one of my pet theories. Hand waggling. North Europeans do what I call 'blocking'. They move their hands, palms facing, up and down. South Europeans waggle. I haven't studied other groups. Maybe it sounds a little crazy but, that's how North Europeans think, up and down, mechanically, logically. Very good for construction and science, not so good for trading. Trading is relativistic, there's no fixed price; it requires thinking v. quickly, assessing probabilities. Once a civilisation is built, the traders move in. It's nothing personal just the way of the world.

    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol.

    You should have tagged along with Miriam Margolis on her 'nosy Jew' (her words) trip to find out why people voted Trump. I can't remember which state it was but there on my TV screen was a huge billboard writ large 'Diversity is White Genocide'. Being in the uk where I could be arrested any minute for the comments I write here, I was utterly gobsmacked. Anyway, just imagine I rocked up in Israel, 'Hi, I'm a nosy Christian, give me a nice meal and then I'll tell you I think you are deluded'. Couldn't happen. could it?
    , @Art
    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol.

    Oh’ isn’t that amusing – Sam lives in a “Jews are delightful – nice Jews – nice Jews” world. Sam never hears any complaints about Jews. Wonder why?

    Of course, those “nice Jew” false images are enforced by coercion. People live in fear of saying truthful things about Jews. The Jews will destroy anyone who dares to speak against them. The Jew media hold a hammer over America’s freedom of speech.

    Take the Jew Sackler family – the creators of Oxycodone. This greedy Jew family is responsible for our current drug problems – killing 60,000 Americans a year. They mislead the worlds medical community about the addictive qualities of OxyContin. This has led to our current heroin epidemic. They are greedy killers, making billions of dollars off death.

    Why is the “Sackler” name not on the breath of every American – why are they not being coursed from pill to post - of course the answer is they are Jews, and the Jew media is hiding and protecting the bastards.

    So, Sam’s nice delightful kissy-face world is a sham, a false picture of reality.


    THE SECRETIVE FAMILY MAKING BILLIONS FROM THE OPIOID CRISIS

    …. …. ….

    Never comment publicly on the source of the family’s wealth.

    That may be because the greatest part of that $14 billion fortune tallied by Forbes came from OxyContin, the narcotic painkiller regarded by many public-health experts as among the most dangerous products ever sold on a mass scale.

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12775932/sackler-family-oxycontin/
     

    Think Peace --- Art
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  • @SolontoCroesus
    Rabbi Henry Abramson teaches/(taught?) at Truro and lectures at his synagogue on Jewish figures in history.

    In this lecture about Theodor Herzl, Abramson lists 4 ways Jews have devised to confront conflict within the state where they live:
    1. emigrate

    2. socialize: make the determination to transform the culture, toward full implementation of Marxist principles, in the state where Jews live

    3. Shimon Dubnov's theories of autonomism, related to territorialism or ‘diaspora nationalism’ — there’s no point in leaving, not even to Israel — zionism not a viable option . . . socialism too radical. Jews should stay in their country of origin, but organize themselves more effectively and democratically and integrate that politics with the politics as a whole.
    For example, every Jew in Russia would vote for a Jewish parliament — that would be a democratic body representing the will of all Jews, which would in turn tax all Jews living in that area. Could not opt out — if you were a Jew you had to belong to it. Jewish Taxes would pay for Jewish schools. The Jewish parliament would have a minister in the Russian government and cabinet.
    The scheme was tried several times in E Europe but failed.

    4. Zionism

    With regard to migration, Abramson made two extremely significant observations:
    1. Migration from E. Europe between 1881 and 1920s was qualitatively different from that in WWII era: In the earlier, "Golden era" of migration, Jews sought to adapt to new culture: children were not taught Yiddish, etc.
    In the latter period, Jews were not "migrants" but "refugees," "forced to leave their home countries and forced to come to America. They resented it. They formed the determination that they would not assimilate to America; rather, they would transform America to accommodate them. “I won’t change for America, America is going to have to change for me.” (~15 min)

    (nb As poin ted out a number of times, Louis Brandeis DIRECTED that Jews leave Germany. This was not entirely a "forced" migration," and Jews manipulated to get to USA)

    2. An audience member amplified this second point -- that war-era Jews intended to transform USA to their liking. He said his father had thought about migrating a number of times but was wary; it eventually became possible to buy visas from an embassy official but still he was wary, until a man told him, “Look, We’re changing America, we’re changing America.” So it was then OK to take your family there.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OEesHwLEK8

    (So the Jewish calculus seems to be, Life was so bad in the shithole where we lived that we will only leave if we can turn the new place into the same sort of shithole." (h/t D Trump)

    S2C,

    No question – with the advent of Israel – the US Jews have become very aggressive against American core cultural values. They wish to control America by dividing America.

    Think Peace — Art

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  • @Art
    it’s not going to happen though is it. commensalism is the best you can hope for

    helena,

    The US Jew and the American Gentile is not a commensal relationship - the Jews have greatly change America for the worse. The Jews maintain the old world view that every interaction is a zero-sum contest.

    Christian Western ethics works to have win-win interactions - whereas Jews think win-lose.

    The only safe way to interact with a Jew is to have a closed exchange, were the deal is consummated, with no future strings attached. A Jew will take advantage of any long-term contract. You can be sure of two things when you contract with a Jew – he will go for very nickel that he can get out of you – and he will break the contract when it is no longer advantageous to him. Play it safe, do NOT get involved in a debt situation with a Jew.

    Think Peace --- Art

    The US Jew and the American Gentile is not a commensal relationship

    Yeah, I know. That’s why I chose the word ‘hope’.

    Anyway, Art, you give me hope. As long as I can read your comments I know I’m not alone.

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    helena,

    I think that things are starting to go our way. Don’t forget that we are starting at zero – 100% of cultural messages in the media have been pro-Jew.

    Bit by bit there are some words starting to buck the 100% stonewall. Rand Paul is talking “bring the troops home.” Tulsi Gabbard is talking pro-Assad. Some guy is challenging the Speaker of the House, making in their face anti-Jew sounds. Some half Nazi alt-right guy from Illinois running for congress, was on CNN saying Jews run the media.

    Jews are no longer 100% in charge. For the first-time people are engaging the Jews. The Jews can never win, because they are truthfully wrong about everything political. Look what happens on UR – they lose every argument to the obvious facts.

    Think Peace --- Art
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  • @Sam J.
    By using the word "commensalism"(Commensalism, in ecology, is a class of relationships between two organisms where one organism benefits from the other without affecting it.) you may very well have shown the key as to why what I want may happen and what the Jews want will not because what we don't have is commensalism. The Jews have been kicked out of every single country they have ever been to in all of the history we know of because they refuse commensalism. They believe in demetralism. They make bank and everyone else pays and has their society corrupted.

    The Jews I believe are a tribe of psychopaths. No not every single one but a lot. Now I may be wrong about this but the historical pattern of Jews moving into a country can be in no way discerned from an actual tribe of psychopaths moving into a country so even if I'm wrong it pays to treat them as a tribe of psychopaths. Psychopaths can be very productive and can do really well for themselves but only for a time. Their psychopathic attacks begin to grate and at some point the spell breaks and the people preyed on by the Spaths will do anything to get rid of them. We may not be there yet but...it's getting closer and closer all the time. The big Jew horn of the media is wrecked. It's flowing blood from all the holes it drove into itself with lies. Even if Trump is in no way on my side he definitely helped big time.

    I think we reached peak Jew a while ago. It may not seem like it but there's cracks in the dike and the down side of the dam is growing grass.

    Sorry to break the news to you but 2/3 of toddlers in USA are TOC.
    you’re further ahead of the curve than we are in uk.
    Trump is the calm before the storm; the prisoner’s last meal.

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    Hi Helena,
    I been busy and only now catching up on UR tête-à-têtes, and, a bit surprised to see you express a sentiment which Iffen nudged [perhaps your inner] Boudica to resist : -) ? Comments? What's TOC btw?

    Having followed the echoes in this chamber for three years now, I note the tone darkened for a select sample of writers and commentators, yourself not included.

    Of course, some, like your last interlocutor, Sam J, arrived on the scene rather behind on his prescription rabies shots, so there is little hope there, but, amongst others, I have noticed a remarkable downward spiral in attitudes. As to why that is happening is a fascinating question, to which I have certain conjectural answers. Mostly, it is the case of a very restricted diet causing delirium, but it is also self-selection I reckon.

    As I travel the U.S. and meet with people on business and socially, I see none of these sentiments let alone the vitriol. I wonder what deprivations this self-selected group at UR has suffered to thus behave.

    Take one of them, Monsieur Jacques Sheete, who today believes that the Jews as a group are psychopaths; yet the same person told me not very long ago:


    Damn, Sam!

    I’m shocked at what you wrote there. I could have written a lot of it myself!


    Chinese are extremely transactional people. There is also a hardwired socialistic streak in Jews which predisposes them to share successes and winnings :). I think Gentiles in the US today, are mainly differentiated from Jews in that they carry a far smaller proportion of highly driven individuals. They are generally great to socialise with over a beer, but not if you are inclined to discuss business, let alone anything that taxes the cerebrum.
     
    I totally agree with every point there. I also try to avoid generalizations, but some are valid, and I’d say that Asians are generally “transactional,” not only Chinese.

    As for the Jews sharing winnings, I’ve learned that if I share with them, they are more than willing to share with me. That simply isn’t true with the average goy.

    As for the last sentence, it’s true, and the trait is cringeworthy to the max. In fact, the only goyim I know that are willing to discuss anything beyond “foooootball” and similar scat are a few of my relatives and a very precious friend from Brazil.I’m continuously shocked at the naivete, superficiality and sheer ignorance and stupidity of the many professional grade goyim that I come into contact with on a daily basis. Their intellectual laziness and lack of curiosity are stunning as well.

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/how-i-got-fired/#comment-2032622

     

    Do you notice a mild change in opinion and tone? What caused it? Or, am I barmy?
    , @Sam J.
    "...Sorry to break the news to you but 2/3 of toddlers in USA are TOC..."

    HAHAHHA you think that's a problem for me. Nooooo it's a problem for the Jews. You think these people like Jews? Are you daft? No the Whites are going to work with the POC and throw the Jews out.
    , @anon
    "2/3 of toddlers in USA are Table of Contents?"

    Totally out of clues?

    Tinkling on their caregivers?
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  • @iffen
    not going to happen though is it

    Resist the Dark Side, Boudica..

    you calling me a celt?

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  • @Sam J.
    "...Big Jew, Little Jew, lemming, dishonesty, and too ostracize. Lately the question of what to do with the Jews has come up. I think that question is hitting home to you. You are a wondering Jew – but I suspect that your children are Americans..."

    Art we know what to do with the Jews. The magic method that's worked for every society for thousands of years that have had the same exact problems we have with them. Get rid of them. Move them out. Don't let them stay. Expel them. It's the only thing guaranteed to work. Every time.

    Art we know what to do with the Jews. The magic method that’s worked for every society for thousands of years that have had the same exact problems we have with them. Get rid of them. Move them out. Don’t let them stay. Expel them. It’s the only thing guaranteed to work. Every time.

    Sam J.,

    No one needs the European Jews – Period.

    They are destructive – sucking the good out of cultures – when chaos sets in, they wonder on!

    Jews traumatize their children with the false terror that everyone wants to kill them – it is not true – except for Nazi Germany, countries have ostracized them. (Yes, the Jews abuse their children, that is how they maintain their ancient culture, by filling defenseless little brains with fear and arrogance.)

    To ostracize is moral.

    Think Peace — Art

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  • @Art
    it’s not going to happen though is it. commensalism is the best you can hope for

    helena,

    The US Jew and the American Gentile is not a commensal relationship - the Jews have greatly change America for the worse. The Jews maintain the old world view that every interaction is a zero-sum contest.

    Christian Western ethics works to have win-win interactions - whereas Jews think win-lose.

    The only safe way to interact with a Jew is to have a closed exchange, were the deal is consummated, with no future strings attached. A Jew will take advantage of any long-term contract. You can be sure of two things when you contract with a Jew – he will go for very nickel that he can get out of you – and he will break the contract when it is no longer advantageous to him. Play it safe, do NOT get involved in a debt situation with a Jew.

    Think Peace --- Art

    Rabbi Henry Abramson teaches/(taught?) at Truro and lectures at his synagogue on Jewish figures in history.

    In this lecture about Theodor Herzl, Abramson lists 4 ways Jews have devised to confront conflict within the state where they live:
    1. emigrate

    2. socialize: make the determination to transform the culture, toward full implementation of Marxist principles, in the state where Jews live

    3. Shimon Dubnov’s theories of autonomism, related to territorialism or ‘diaspora nationalism’ — there’s no point in leaving, not even to Israel — zionism not a viable option . . . socialism too radical. Jews should stay in their country of origin, but organize themselves more effectively and democratically and integrate that politics with the politics as a whole.
    For example, every Jew in Russia would vote for a Jewish parliament — that would be a democratic body representing the will of all Jews, which would in turn tax all Jews living in that area. Could not opt out — if you were a Jew you had to belong to it. Jewish Taxes would pay for Jewish schools. The Jewish parliament would have a minister in the Russian government and cabinet.
    The scheme was tried several times in E Europe but failed.

    4. Zionism

    With regard to migration, Abramson made two extremely significant observations:
    1. Migration from E. Europe between 1881 and 1920s was qualitatively different from that in WWII era: In the earlier, “Golden era” of migration, Jews sought to adapt to new culture: children were not taught Yiddish, etc.
    In the latter period, Jews were not “migrants” but “refugees,” “forced to leave their home countries and forced to come to America. They resented it. They formed the determination that they would not assimilate to America; rather, they would transform America to accommodate them. “I won’t change for America, America is going to have to change for me.” (~15 min)

    (nb As poin ted out a number of times, Louis Brandeis DIRECTED that Jews leave Germany. This was not entirely a “forced” migration,” and Jews manipulated to get to USA)

    2. An audience member amplified this second point — that war-era Jews intended to transform USA to their liking. He said his father had thought about migrating a number of times but was wary; it eventually became possible to buy visas from an embassy official but still he was wary, until a man told him, “Look, We’re changing America, we’re changing America.” So it was then OK to take your family there.”

    (So the Jewish calculus seems to be, Life was so bad in the shithole where we lived that we will only leave if we can turn the new place into the same sort of shithole.” (h/t D Trump)

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    S2C,

    No question – with the advent of Israel – the US Jews have become very aggressive against American core cultural values. They wish to control America by dividing America.

    Think Peace --- Art
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  • @helena
    it's not going to happen though is it. commensalism is the best you can hope for

    it’s not going to happen though is it. commensalism is the best you can hope for

    helena,

    The US Jew and the American Gentile is not a commensal relationship – the Jews have greatly change America for the worse. The Jews maintain the old world view that every interaction is a zero-sum contest.

    Christian Western ethics works to have win-win interactions – whereas Jews think win-lose.

    The only safe way to interact with a Jew is to have a closed exchange, were the deal is consummated, with no future strings attached. A Jew will take advantage of any long-term contract. You can be sure of two things when you contract with a Jew – he will go for very nickel that he can get out of you – and he will break the contract when it is no longer advantageous to him. Play it safe, do NOT get involved in a debt situation with a Jew.

    Think Peace — Art

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    Rabbi Henry Abramson teaches/(taught?) at Truro and lectures at his synagogue on Jewish figures in history.

    In this lecture about Theodor Herzl, Abramson lists 4 ways Jews have devised to confront conflict within the state where they live:
    1. emigrate

    2. socialize: make the determination to transform the culture, toward full implementation of Marxist principles, in the state where Jews live

    3. Shimon Dubnov's theories of autonomism, related to territorialism or ‘diaspora nationalism’ — there’s no point in leaving, not even to Israel — zionism not a viable option . . . socialism too radical. Jews should stay in their country of origin, but organize themselves more effectively and democratically and integrate that politics with the politics as a whole.
    For example, every Jew in Russia would vote for a Jewish parliament — that would be a democratic body representing the will of all Jews, which would in turn tax all Jews living in that area. Could not opt out — if you were a Jew you had to belong to it. Jewish Taxes would pay for Jewish schools. The Jewish parliament would have a minister in the Russian government and cabinet.
    The scheme was tried several times in E Europe but failed.

    4. Zionism

    With regard to migration, Abramson made two extremely significant observations:
    1. Migration from E. Europe between 1881 and 1920s was qualitatively different from that in WWII era: In the earlier, "Golden era" of migration, Jews sought to adapt to new culture: children were not taught Yiddish, etc.
    In the latter period, Jews were not "migrants" but "refugees," "forced to leave their home countries and forced to come to America. They resented it. They formed the determination that they would not assimilate to America; rather, they would transform America to accommodate them. “I won’t change for America, America is going to have to change for me.” (~15 min)

    (nb As poin ted out a number of times, Louis Brandeis DIRECTED that Jews leave Germany. This was not entirely a "forced" migration," and Jews manipulated to get to USA)

    2. An audience member amplified this second point -- that war-era Jews intended to transform USA to their liking. He said his father had thought about migrating a number of times but was wary; it eventually became possible to buy visas from an embassy official but still he was wary, until a man told him, “Look, We’re changing America, we’re changing America.” So it was then OK to take your family there.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OEesHwLEK8

    (So the Jewish calculus seems to be, Life was so bad in the shithole where we lived that we will only leave if we can turn the new place into the same sort of shithole." (h/t D Trump)

    , @helena
    The US Jew and the American Gentile is not a commensal relationship

    Yeah, I know. That's why I chose the word 'hope'.

    Anyway, Art, you give me hope. As long as I can read your comments I know I'm not alone.
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  • @helena
    it's not going to happen though is it. commensalism is the best you can hope for

    not going to happen though is it

    Resist the Dark Side, Boudica..

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    you calling me a celt?

    https://skepticalhumanities.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/vikings_lagertha_3-p.jpeg
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  • @helena
    it's not going to happen though is it. commensalism is the best you can hope for

    By using the word “commensalism”(Commensalism, in ecology, is a class of relationships between two organisms where one organism benefits from the other without affecting it.) you may very well have shown the key as to why what I want may happen and what the Jews want will not because what we don’t have is commensalism. The Jews have been kicked out of every single country they have ever been to in all of the history we know of because they refuse commensalism. They believe in demetralism. They make bank and everyone else pays and has their society corrupted.

    The Jews I believe are a tribe of psychopaths. No not every single one but a lot. Now I may be wrong about this but the historical pattern of Jews moving into a country can be in no way discerned from an actual tribe of psychopaths moving into a country so even if I’m wrong it pays to treat them as a tribe of psychopaths. Psychopaths can be very productive and can do really well for themselves but only for a time. Their psychopathic attacks begin to grate and at some point the spell breaks and the people preyed on by the Spaths will do anything to get rid of them. We may not be there yet but…it’s getting closer and closer all the time. The big Jew horn of the media is wrecked. It’s flowing blood from all the holes it drove into itself with lies. Even if Trump is in no way on my side he definitely helped big time.

    I think we reached peak Jew a while ago. It may not seem like it but there’s cracks in the dike and the down side of the dam is growing grass.

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    Sorry to break the news to you but 2/3 of toddlers in USA are TOC.
    you're further ahead of the curve than we are in uk.
    Trump is the calm before the storm; the prisoner's last meal.
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  • @SolontoCroesus
    The article clearly stated - emphasized, even -- that the man was resentful that he could not find a woman.


    Your Nazi meter has overheated, Incitatus; time to recalibrate.

    -- and we've noticed you're favoring the right rear foot: surely you have a blacksmith in your iPhone contacts?

    “The article clearly stated – emphasized, even – that the man was resentful that he could not find a woman.”

    No other American male has that problem? A country with a 40+% divorce rate? Eight year average length of marriage? Does ASB (Acute Sperm Buildup) automatically suggest Nazism and a shooting spree?

    Should we call for redux of ‘The Dating Game’ as therapy? Wait, no – Chuck Barris was Jewish, de facto part of ‘the Lobby’. It must have been an insidious Hebrew plot to corrupt innocent real Americans!

    Better to stress the inspirational precedents of dedicated bachelorhood. Selfless lonely service making a country great against all odds. With only a (female) dog for public companionship. Anyone come to mind S2C?

    On second thought, that’s not such a good idea. He had anger problems too.

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    "...Chuck Barris was Jewish, de facto part of ‘the Lobby’. It must have been an insidious Hebrew plot to corrupt innocent real Americans!..."

    You think you're so sly? Well I'll have you know that Chuck Barris made Wendy Williams, later of the Plasmatics, shoot ping pong balls out of her pussy and that later probably caused her suicide. It's always the Jews. :)
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  • @Sam J.
    "...Big Jew, Little Jew, lemming, dishonesty, and too ostracize. Lately the question of what to do with the Jews has come up. I think that question is hitting home to you. You are a wondering Jew – but I suspect that your children are Americans..."

    Art we know what to do with the Jews. The magic method that's worked for every society for thousands of years that have had the same exact problems we have with them. Get rid of them. Move them out. Don't let them stay. Expel them. It's the only thing guaranteed to work. Every time.

    it’s not going to happen though is it. commensalism is the best you can hope for

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    By using the word "commensalism"(Commensalism, in ecology, is a class of relationships between two organisms where one organism benefits from the other without affecting it.) you may very well have shown the key as to why what I want may happen and what the Jews want will not because what we don't have is commensalism. The Jews have been kicked out of every single country they have ever been to in all of the history we know of because they refuse commensalism. They believe in demetralism. They make bank and everyone else pays and has their society corrupted.

    The Jews I believe are a tribe of psychopaths. No not every single one but a lot. Now I may be wrong about this but the historical pattern of Jews moving into a country can be in no way discerned from an actual tribe of psychopaths moving into a country so even if I'm wrong it pays to treat them as a tribe of psychopaths. Psychopaths can be very productive and can do really well for themselves but only for a time. Their psychopathic attacks begin to grate and at some point the spell breaks and the people preyed on by the Spaths will do anything to get rid of them. We may not be there yet but...it's getting closer and closer all the time. The big Jew horn of the media is wrecked. It's flowing blood from all the holes it drove into itself with lies. Even if Trump is in no way on my side he definitely helped big time.

    I think we reached peak Jew a while ago. It may not seem like it but there's cracks in the dike and the down side of the dam is growing grass.
    , @iffen
    not going to happen though is it

    Resist the Dark Side, Boudica..
    , @Art
    it’s not going to happen though is it. commensalism is the best you can hope for

    helena,

    The US Jew and the American Gentile is not a commensal relationship - the Jews have greatly change America for the worse. The Jews maintain the old world view that every interaction is a zero-sum contest.

    Christian Western ethics works to have win-win interactions - whereas Jews think win-lose.

    The only safe way to interact with a Jew is to have a closed exchange, were the deal is consummated, with no future strings attached. A Jew will take advantage of any long-term contract. You can be sure of two things when you contract with a Jew – he will go for very nickel that he can get out of you – and he will break the contract when it is no longer advantageous to him. Play it safe, do NOT get involved in a debt situation with a Jew.

    Think Peace --- Art

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  • @Art
    In other words, you cannot cite a single example of things Incitatus asked you to produce

    I do not do “got ya” questions. Calling me a Nazi is preposterous. Whatever I would responded to his question, he would twist out of all reality. Incitatus is fighting for the bad guys – he is on the wrong side of history – he does not play fair. He is philosophically backwards and he is dishonest. He has all the earmarks of a childhood culturally traumatized Jew.

    I recall you saying that Nazis ‘killed 1 million Jews, not 6m’. It now seems, with each passing day since, you have burrowed ever deeper into the dirt where that waste-matter ...... resides. For a fleeting moment, I had thought of you differently.

    I have some 2,700 comments – they have been more less consistent – Big Jew, Little Jew, lemming, dishonesty, and too ostracize. Lately the question of what to do with the Jews has come up. I think that question is hitting home to you. You are a wondering Jew – but I suspect that your children are Americans.

    I assure you that I wish no harm to you or your children. But I do believe that Jews should be ostracized in American society until they wholeheartedly accept American values.

    Think Peace --- Art

    p.s. As to my WWII lose – whatever I posted you would use your 204 to disparage. Not going there – I do not trust you. The trauma you received as a Jewish child owns you.

    “…Big Jew, Little Jew, lemming, dishonesty, and too ostracize. Lately the question of what to do with the Jews has come up. I think that question is hitting home to you. You are a wondering Jew – but I suspect that your children are Americans…”

    Art we know what to do with the Jews. The magic method that’s worked for every society for thousands of years that have had the same exact problems we have with them. Get rid of them. Move them out. Don’t let them stay. Expel them. It’s the only thing guaranteed to work. Every time.

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    it's not going to happen though is it. commensalism is the best you can hope for
    , @Art

    Art we know what to do with the Jews. The magic method that’s worked for every society for thousands of years that have had the same exact problems we have with them. Get rid of them. Move them out. Don’t let them stay. Expel them. It’s the only thing guaranteed to work. Every time.
     
    Sam J.,

    No one needs the European Jews – Period.

    They are destructive – sucking the good out of cultures – when chaos sets in, they wonder on!

    Jews traumatize their children with the false terror that everyone wants to kill them – it is not true – except for Nazi Germany, countries have ostracized them. (Yes, the Jews abuse their children, that is how they maintain their ancient culture, by filling defenseless little brains with fear and arrogance.)

    To ostracize is moral.

    Think Peace --- Art
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  • @Incitatus

    "You are obsessed - you have Nazi on the brain."
     
    In this forum only, and more often that I'd like. Reason? Nazi quotes you abet.

    "There are not 25 real Nazis in all of America"
     
    We're not talking about "real Nazis". They're probably in their 90s+ and know better. We're talking about Nazi-Lites like Richard Spencer. There are more than 25:

    "…a group of white nationalists-variously numbered at dozens or around 100 -marched through the University of Virginia's campus while chanting Nazi and white supremacist slogans, including "White lives matter"; "You will not replace us"; and "Jews will not replace us."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally

     

    In media today, 5 Feb 2018:

    'Holocaust denier [Art Jones] to become Republican nominee for Illinois congressional seat'

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/04/neo-nazi-holocaust-denier-art-jones-illinois-republicans

    'How an Alt-Right Leader [Elliot Kline aka Eli Mosley, Richard Spencer lieutenant] Used a Lie to Climb the Ranks'

    https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000005394012/eli-mosley-alt-right.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=photo-spot-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
     
    That's just the loons that show up in public. How many don't?

    The counterpart Alt-Left thugs are just as bad. Both sides feed each other in violent confrontation, just as Nazis fought the KPD (Communist Party) and SPD (Social Democrats) in Weimar Germany. Kindle civil war, then snatch power out of chaos. Simple as that.

    "Nazis are not the current day problem…"
     
    Let's keep it that way. Aiding them - wittingly or not - plays into their hands. They don't give a damn about America. As Spencer says "Power is what matters".

    "In the year 2018 why would a Gentile be so obsessed with Nazis…"
     
    That's easy. Kin in WWs and cousins in Belgium and France. Toured many battlefields. Hate war. Like modern Germans, I think one Nazi inning is enough.

    "Nazis do not ask for peace - I do."
     
    Ever hear of the 30 Sep 1938 Munich Agreement? Sudetenland was Hitler's last demand. Hailed as "Peace in Our Time". Six months later? Nazis invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia. Nazis wanted peaceful resolution of Danzig, then invaded Poland. Moral? Never trust a Nazi. Especially when they ask for peace.

    "Do something for everyone - fix your Jews - stop fascist Zionism"
     
    Would if I could. Protested Palestinian camps in Jordan 70s and later. The Lebanon invasions. West Bank settlements. Gaza wars. Iraq '03. Syria. Currently against restricting the right to BDS. That said, don't want to destroy Israel or the Jews, don't want to be a make-believe Nazi. Quite the opposite.

    Think Nazi-Lites hate Zionism? Think again. They admire it, want their own ethno-state. Hate 'diversity'. Nazi-Lites pose as victims in a 'sky is falling' mime and scapegoat Jews to incite crisis. Just like Hitler. First step towards a US fatherland with restricted rights. A state they can rule. Power.

    "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty..."

    “…We’re talking about Nazi-Lites like Richard Spencer. There are more than 25…”

    I hate to say it. I’m on Art’s side but I do believe there are 26 Nazis in the USA.

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  • @geokat62

    For a fleeting moment, I had thought of you differently.
     
    Took the words right out of my mouth, Sam:

    I do not support any longer what passes for Zionism, nor am I willing to pine for what it used to be. It is an immoral cause. - Sam Shama
     

    “…I do not support any longer what passes for Zionism, nor am I willing to pine for what it used to be. It is an immoral cause. – Sam Shama…”

    I sure support Zionism if it means getting rid of the Jews. Isn’t that part of the deal they all go to Israel.

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  • @Sam Shama
    In other words, you cannot cite a single example of things Incitatus asked you to produce, e.g. instances where he [Incitatus] revealed a hate for others and incited violence. You cannot, and therefore resort to your usual passive-aggressiveness all cloaked with the faux 'think Peace' signoff.

    I read your claim that 'Nazis were responsible for great harm done to your family'. Please elaborate. I recall you saying that Nazis 'killed 1 million Jews, not 6m'. It now seems, with each passing day since, you have burrowed ever deeper into the dirt where that waste-matter Wally resides. For a fleeting moment, I had thought of you differently.

    “…‘Nazis were responsible for great harm done to your family’. Please elaborate. I recall you saying that Nazis ‘killed 1 million Jews, not 6m’. It now seems, with each passing day since, you have burrowed ever deeper into the dirt where that waste-matter Wally resides…”

    Who gives a fu*k what the Nazis did. We’re concerned with the war in Syria that the Jews are pushing right now. We’re concerned with the 9-11 attacks that the Jews did. Confirmed by the free fall through only air of building 7 and the complete absence of Jewish noticing of buildings, not hit by a plane, just falling on the ground for no reason, or so they say, no reason, but we know why they fell. The Jews demoed them.

    Notice it’s always the Nazis. Jews complain that we talk about the ills of the Jews too much but Jesus that was a long time ago. We’re in the Jews wars in the middle east right now. When will the Jews start paying USA for the Jews wars? When will the Jews start paying the people in the middle east for all the Jew war deaths? Inquiring minds want to know. We don’t give a shit about the Nazis.(Actually as Art said there are 26 Nazis in the US that want to know about the Nazis but I think it’s not a good move to tie US policy to 26 Nazis).

    This is of course a lesson to all those reading about exactly why we need to get rid of the Jews.

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  • @Sam Shama
    This is a disorderly parade of your pet peeves, in which the references do not produce the intended effect. You write it for the casual reader who, you hope would merely skim the surface and leave with their worldview turned on its head. The trouble for you is that the public record and understanding is firmly settled; where verdicts so outré as typically brand your posts are wholly absent. Which raises the question as to whom these posts might serve to influence. The answer, of course, is in plain sight; the rag-tag detachment of true believers who flog a dead horse [and other appendages?] on P.G.'s commentary section daily, full-moons included. Especially on full-moons.

    I shall start with your reference to the document at Yad Vashem [which incidentally - I am bound to ask - if indeed an institution you deride as an instrument of publicity, why then do you seek support from their documents? It is a valid and essential question for the record here.]

    You write "According to Yad Vashem, Jews played a major role in the chaos of the Weimar Republic". In my reading of the Yad Vashem paper [which I believe I had referenced many months ago], the purpose was to underscore the achievements of Germany's Jewish citizens, in the arts, sciences, economics and yes, in politics and political movements. And, of course, an examination of the old antisemitic habit of scapegoating Jews. That Jews featured prominently in political and intellectual leadership or embraced the revolutionary fervour has never been in question. Or, do you call as chaos, the arts and sciences too? Curious minds wish to know.

    e.g. of a passage in the Yad Vashem piece:

    Important achievements by Jews were recorded in the theater (Max Reinhardt), in music (Arnold Schönberg), in the visual arts (Max Liebermann), in philosophy (Herman Cohen) and in science (Albert Einstein). Among the Nobel prize winners in Germany up to 1938, 24 percent were Jews (nine Jews out of a total of thirty-eight). It was in political and public life, however, that the Jewish role was most prominent. Jews played an important role in the first
    cabinet formed after the 1918 revolution (Hugo Hasse and Otto Landesberg), the Weimar Constitution was drafted by a Jew (Hugo Pruess), and Jews were conspicuously present in the abortive attempts to create radical revolutionary regimes, especially in Bavaria. The revolutionary government in Munich was headed by a Jewish intellectual, Kurt Eisner, and after his assassination, two other Jewish leaders, Gustav Landauer and Eugen Levine, assumed positions of major influence in the “Raterepublik” (“Soviet” Republic”). Rosa Luxemburg, who was also assassinated, was a leader of the revolutionary Spartakusbund, which was one of the predecessors of the German Communist party.
    In the following years as well, Jews held major political posts, primarily in the leadership of the democratic and socialist parties. The most prominent Jewish Political figure was Walther Rathenau, who served first as minister for
    economic affairs and then as foreign minister. Rathenau’s murder by rightwing radicals in June 1922 was one of the dramatic high points of the antiSemitic incitement

     

    Were Rheinhardt, Schoenberg, Libermann, Cohen, Einstein, Rathenau, agents of chaos? If so, how? I'll even grant you that Rosa Luxembourg or Eisner were revolutionaries, but have you paused to consider why or what they aspired to change? I think, not.

    I'm afraid I am short of time and must end this rather abruptly, by making one or two further observations.

    (1) You made the hackneyed charge that Shirer was a paid and prejudiced source. I'm not surprised. That is a conveniently cheap stance. How many times have you read Shirer? Have you gone over his references? If you've read the book in its entirety, which I doubt, you should know that his treatise was meticulously supported by the primary and direct sources obtained from German official records which the Allies captured. I've read Shirer once and checked the references sporadically when I thought it was worth it. I say this without reservation that my study of his work is preliminary at best. I'll be reading it again, this time with an eye to the full impact of his references. I expect it to consume a full six months. Can you point to any specific mistakes or unsubstantiated claims in Shirer's work?

    (2) Ginsberg's book was a reaction against the oft-repeated trope of the day of passive Jewish victimhood. Ginsberg seeks to dispel that sweeping notion. A great many Jews died yet there were significant Jewish efforts to counter the pernicious forces which gripped continental Europe.

    (3) Ferguson's book is a compendium of counterfactuals. He poses a variety of what-ifs and proceeds to blithely assert conclusions which cannot be asserted within the scope of his method. He makes confident projections such as 'if the British Expeditionary Force hadn't been sent', "Germany would've definitely won the war". How does he know? He just does, he says. Well, that might impress an American audience when pontificating on CNN with an Oxonian flourish [in spite of the North country "Ops and Douns"] it leaves unspoken anything about the Schlieffen Plan's logisitical impossibility, not to mention the French army's gritty conscripts' determination to lay their lives for the republic. Ferguson has tried his hand at Economics, a subject he knows very little of, but really, who cares, since most of the talk-circuit money is in Economics anyway. Trouble is, his foray into Econ has done very little in the way of sharpening his tools in History.

    TB Contd.

    “…

    This is a disorderly parade of your pet peeves, in which the references do not produce the intended effect…”

    Actually this is just a small listing of some of the ill effects of having a country overrun with Jews and the catastrophic destruction that entails when they are in your country.

    “…Yad Vashem paper [which I believe I had referenced many months ago], the purpose was to underscore the achievements of Germany’s Jewish citizens, in the arts, sciences, economics and yes, in politics and political movements…”

    Surprise, surprise a Jew talks good about Jews? Let’s go over some of the Jews achievements in Germany. Taking over whole States and murdering masses of people as fast as they could until…the Germans came and killed their asses. Like destroying the whole middle class by inflating the money supply the Jews controlled? Like widespread decadence, pushing homosexuality, Transsexualism, child prostitution, continuous assaults on the Germans people and society in the papers, bribing all the legislatures, etc, etc. (hey that sounds a lot like the US). Maybe of you keep this up we will get a Hitler too. I bet this time he won’t attack Poland though and we will get rid of the Jews.

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  • @Incitatus

    "If Streicher was a Nazi German, then my family suffered grievously because of him…"
     
    Really? That's hard to believe. Forget to condemn nonsense like this:

    "Whites can be some really dumb shitz at times. To this day, most revile one of their finest, Herr Hitler…"

    "[Nazi] Germany's war was a just war…Allies committed war crimes and crimes against humanity that far exceeded anything National Socialists did...Die Fahne Hoch! [Nazi anthem]"

    "…anti-Hitler hysteria that lingers on even to this day is largely Bolshie propaganda…"

    "[Jews got] us into WWI and WWII…"
     
    You didn't challenge those and like remarks. Seem to oft agree with pro-Nazis. Odd if your "family suffered grievously." And you sound just like Streicher - who was indeed a Nazi. Think about it.

    "I hate fascism, Jew or German."
     
    Good. What about American fascism?

    You're a garden-variety race-baiter. Nothing more.
    "You are projecting yourself onto me. I believe that you Jews think…"
     
    Kindly provide an example of my race-baiting. Chronic assertions I'm Jewish are - need one say - projection.

    "You are projecting your hate for others, and your wish for violence on them…"
     
    Kindly provide examples of my hate for others, my desire for violence.

    I'm not Jewish. No affection for Israel.
    "I find it hard to believe that you know some much about Jews..."
     
    Don't know or much care about Jews. Projection again.

    "[you] know little of their [Jews] destruction of America."
     
    Kindly provide examples. Cite specific crimes, individual perpetrators. Anything less trashes the rule of law, and America.

    "You are on the wrong side of history, defending the indefensible."
     
    Rule of law, right to individual trial, freedom of association, freedom of speech, right to vote - these are the wrong side of history? What's right? Scapegoats and lynch mobs?

    "We must commune with those who are "America for America" people"
     
    Like "Jews shall not replace us" Richard Spencer? Geo likes Spencer. Here's what Spencer writes:

    "The ideal I advocate is the creation of a White Ethno-State on the North American continent."
     
    Good so far? Here's what Geo writes:

    "My goal is to help the people from European and European-derived countries shake off the cultural Marxist spell that claims that Diversity Is Our Strength, before it is too late…"
     
    Zowie, both want a new Euro-Ethnic-State! Geo'll let us know when we have it right. He's watched a lot of westerns. Spencer's more candid:

    "For us "immigration" is a proxy for race…White people have to come together…Race is the most important aspect of identity…We must give up the false dreams of equality and democracy…Power is what matters…Hail Trump! Hail our people! Hail victory! [given with Hitler salute]"
     
    Sound American, Art? Why would geo's pal give the Hitler salute? Hint: Nazis wanted a Euro-Ethno-State too.

    "You cannot see who is really behind the great violence of our time."
     
    You can? You're blind to Nazis. Parrot their worst rhetoric. Oft agree with them. Looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck? Just a thought.

    “…You can? You’re blind to Nazis. Parrot their worst rhetoric. Oft agree with them. Looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck? Just a thought…”

    The Nazis had some great ideas. Attacking Poland was not one of them but stopping the Jews running their banks, their newspapers, their schools and getting rid of the Jews from Germany were GREAT ideas! We should copy all these great ideas, leaving off attacking Poland which I don’t think interest most Americans anyways.

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  • @Incitatus

    "In Chapter 8…But absent the lobby's influence, there almost certainly would not have been a war. The lobby was a necessary but not sufficient condition for a war…"
     
    Have you actually read Chapter 8? You quote M&W's Introduction, page 17. Cherry-picked jacket comments next?

    M&W wrote 'The Israel Lobby' to evaluate its effect on US policy. "Iraq '03 and Dreams of Transforming the Middle East" is one of 11 chapters. It isn't a definitive history of the war. It assesses the Israel Lobby, no other players. No other lobbies.

    What other works on GWOT and Iraq '03 have you read? Laurence Wright? Tom Ricks? George Packer? Rajiv Chandrasekaran? Steve Coll? Sebastian Junger? James Mann? Michael Gordon? Tyler Drumheller? Richard Clarke? Kurt Eichenwald? Jane Mayer? Joe Wilson? Chalmers Johnson? Bob Woodward? Peter Galbraith? Ron Suskind? James Risen? Seymour Hersh? Scott Ritter? Chris Hedges? Jessica Stern? Robert Fisk? Kenneth Pollack? PW Singer? Jon Lee Anderson?

    Agree with many M&W conclusions, but they're one source, one view. They're short some treatment. Bernard Lewis, for example: "…Scholars like Bernard Lewis and Fouad Ajami of Johns Hopkins University played an important role in convincing Vice President Cheney to favor war against Iraq." -M&W p.246.

    The Wall Street Journal credited Lewis with far more influence. The "Blueprint [for] Sowing Arab Democracy." A blueprint GW Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney, and many others took to heart:

    "I firmly believe, along with men like Bernard Lewis, who is one of the great students of that part of the world, that strong, firm U.S. response to terror and to threats to the United States would go a long way, frankly, toward calming things in that part of the world."

    -Cheney, 'A Historian's Take on Islam Steers U.S. in Terrorism Fight' Peter Waldman WSJ 3 Feb 2004
     
    Waldman goes on to say "The Lewis Doctrine, in effect, had become U.S. policy." M&W barely mention him. Are they fallible? What about all the other books on Iraq and GWOT?

    "The Lobby pushed the Bush administration to launch a pre-emptive attack against Iraq."
     
    Who gave the orders? Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Congress, etc? Were they "pushed" by others too?

    "…it is ultimately those who…[contribute] to The Lobby that ultimately support this violence…[they are]…really behind the great violence of our time."
     
    WW1? WW2? Korea? Viet Nam? Pol Pot's Cambodia? Rawanda?

    Don't be timid geo. Are Jews behind all violence, all evil? Art thinks so. At least he's honest.

    "…we all know the Israelis had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11…"
     
    Glad to see contrary proof. Don't bother with PCR (I had kin in Newtown CT).

    “…What other works on GWOT and Iraq ’03 have you read? Laurence Wright? Tom Ricks? George Packer? Rajiv Chandrasekaran? Steve Coll? Sebastian Junger? James Mann? Michael Gordon? Tyler Drumheller? Richard Clarke? Kurt Eichenwald? Jane Mayer? Joe Wilson? Chalmers Johnson? Bob Woodward? Peter Galbraith? Ron Suskind? James Risen? Seymour Hersh? Scott Ritter? Chris Hedges? Jessica Stern? Robert Fisk? Kenneth Pollack? PW Singer? Jon Lee Anderson?…”

    HHAHAHa

    We don’t need to read all that to know who did 9-11 and kicked off the whole thing. We only need to look at building 7, not hit by a plane, that fell exactly the same speed as a rock dropped in air. Meaning the buildings fall was slowed…only by air. There was NO support. It had to have been demoed in some way. Combine that with the Jews owning the whole building complex , running the security and being the primary control of all the mass media that, somehow, forgot to report on the miraculous effect of building 7 being only held up by air and… The Jews did it. The Jews did 9-11 to start the wars in the middle east.

    Look at the constant effort to confuse the situation. Look at how they are going on and on about all this stuff that has nothing to do with “the war in Syria”. This hand waving about how many books we should read, more “task” the Jews pile on us, and their complete psychopathic behavior when called on it is a major reason we should get rid of the Jews. If the Jews are not a tribe of psychopaths then their behavior is indistinguishable from a tribe of psychopaths. The only known 100% guaranteed way to deal with psychopaths is to get them away for you. Make sure they have no control over your life. Hell even cheesy dating sites know this. We have to get rid of the Jews.

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  • @Incitatus
    Nazis? Here? Perish the thought!

    Todays Coincidence:

    'Troubled Man Who Committed Massacre in Isla Vista Was Part of Alt-Right, New Research Shows' LA Times Ben Poston 6 Feb 2018

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-isle-vista-massacre-alt-right-20180206-story.html

    Killed six. Maybe his victims didn't "wholeheartedly accept American values"?

    Couldn't have been anything anyone said. Especially if it ended 'Think Peace'.

    The article clearly stated – emphasized, even — that the man was resentful that he could not find a woman.

    Your Nazi meter has overheated, Incitatus; time to recalibrate.

    – and we’ve noticed you’re favoring the right rear foot: surely you have a blacksmith in your iPhone contacts?

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    "The article clearly stated - emphasized, even - that the man was resentful that he could not find a woman."
     
    No other American male has that problem? A country with a 40+% divorce rate? Eight year average length of marriage? Does ASB (Acute Sperm Buildup) automatically suggest Nazism and a shooting spree?

    Should we call for redux of 'The Dating Game' as therapy? Wait, no - Chuck Barris was Jewish, de facto part of 'the Lobby'. It must have been an insidious Hebrew plot to corrupt innocent real Americans!

    Better to stress the inspirational precedents of dedicated bachelorhood. Selfless lonely service making a country great against all odds. With only a (female) dog for public companionship. Anyone come to mind S2C?

    On second thought, that's not such a good idea. He had anger problems too.
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  • Like bombing and invading countries that never represented a threat to America?

    Oh, come on. That was in 1775. Get over it.

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  • @Incitatus
    Nazis? Here? Perish the thought!

    Todays Coincidence:

    'Troubled Man Who Committed Massacre in Isla Vista Was Part of Alt-Right, New Research Shows' LA Times Ben Poston 6 Feb 2018

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-isle-vista-massacre-alt-right-20180206-story.html

    Killed six. Maybe his victims didn't "wholeheartedly accept American values"?

    Couldn't have been anything anyone said. Especially if it ended 'Think Peace'.

    Maybe his victims didn’t “wholeheartedly accept American values”?

    Like bombing and invading countries that never represented a threat to America? You, no doubt, must be referring to those “American” values, no?

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    "Like bombing and invading countries that never represented a threat to America? You, no doubt, must be referring to those "American" values, no?"
     
    Protested such from Viet Nam on. Favor legal action against top "deciders" and their helpers (neocons included), Pentagon budget and weapons export reductions, draft reinstatement, de-militarization, etc.

    You? You blame war on 'the Lobby'. That's not all. Terrorism. GWOT. NK. MENA turmoil. 9/11. Diversity. Unchecked immigration. Political corruption. Campaign finance abuse. 'Cultural Marxism". Russia-gate. "Luggenpresse". "Weimerica". "Cold-War 2.0". "Big lies". You blame everything on 'the Lobby'. There is no other special interest, no other villain. When the Koch Brothers outspend Adelson, your first question is if they're Jewish.

    Anti-war? Why ignore the weapons industry? Concerned about American crisis? Why dodge spending that dwarfs 'the Lobby' and shackles us to egregious failure in health care, transportation, wealth inequity, etc?

    Art's "American values" are "consistent - Big Jew, Little Jew, lemming, dishonesty, and too ostracize". He's welcome to say it and avoid whoever he likes. Doesn't bother me. What happens when ostracism becomes internment? When citizen groups are robbed of individual Constitutional rights? Deprived of property? Prohibited from earning a living? Deported?

    Ask the 110,000 Japanese-Americans 'ostracized' in WW2. If alive, Acadians who survived the Grand Dérangement (1755-64) could tell you. Let alone Native Nations too numerous to count.

    "The Lobby is responsible for the conflagration that is consuming MENA and you accuse me of being the arsonist?"
     
    Sky is falling, falling, falling. The Lobby, Lobby, Lobby. Hop-Along-Cassandra meets Chicken Little.

    You couldn't care less about the MENA. You want a race state just like your fantasy Israel. "My goal is to help the people from European and European-derived countries shake off the cultural Marxist spell that claims that Diversity Is Our Strength, before it is too late…"

    You ignite deep conspiracy and imminent crisis authored by one - and only one - villain. 'The Lobby.' Code, like "Cultural Marxists", for Jews. The scapegoat. The fulcrum to emergency restrictions, your Euro-Ethno-State. A fire you set, then offer to put out.

    "By defending the indefensible, you are the one who is aiding and abetting The Lobby's efforts to remake the ME by destroying those countries deemed hostile to the Jewish state and the killing of even more innocent people."
     
    Kindly quote my defense, cite my aid.

    "I'm here pleading for them [The Lobby] to cease and desist their nefarious activities and you come along and accuse me of holding a rope?"
     
    You're here accusing 'the Lobby' alone of multiple conspiracies. Imminent threats. Crisis after crisis. In essence, your 'Lobby' scapegoat completely controls the US government, military, international and domestic policy.

    Example? "Bush, Blair, Cheney and the rest of the traitors" are minimized by adding they "sold their souls for 30 shekels." QED the real villain is 'the Lobby'. Bush and the others were bribed. Corrupted by 'the Lobby'. Lesson? Faust isn't as evil as the devil, mastermind seducer of innocents. 'The Lobby' is Satan in your mime. Race-baiting with gloves on.

    "Inspector Clouseau has nothing on you."
     
    Très bon, cher Javert! Est-ce que je reçois Elke Sommer?
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  • @iffen
    We’re not talking about “real Nazis”.

    Close enough for government work.

    Nazis? Here? Perish the thought!

    Todays Coincidence:

    ‘Troubled Man Who Committed Massacre in Isla Vista Was Part of Alt-Right, New Research Shows’ LA Times Ben Poston 6 Feb 2018

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-isle-vista-massacre-alt-right-20180206-story.html

    Killed six. Maybe his victims didn’t “wholeheartedly accept American values”?

    Couldn’t have been anything anyone said. Especially if it ended ‘Think Peace’.

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    Maybe his victims didn’t “wholeheartedly accept American values”?
     
    Like bombing and invading countries that never represented a threat to America? You, no doubt, must be referring to those "American" values, no?
    , @SolontoCroesus
    The article clearly stated - emphasized, even -- that the man was resentful that he could not find a woman.


    Your Nazi meter has overheated, Incitatus; time to recalibrate.

    -- and we've noticed you're favoring the right rear foot: surely you have a blacksmith in your iPhone contacts?

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