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    My new VDARE.com column is up a day early. Here's an excerpt: Are the Americans who are being driven from the Coastal Megalopolises to the Interior Boomtowns better off because their old cities are filling up with immigrants who outbid them in the housing market—typically, because the foreigners don't mind living with an entire extended...
  • Jody says:

    couple of things

    1) the guy from NYC who thinks mexicans are not driving up house prices in LA. sorry, but that’s wrong. they definitely make houses more expensive. people who have not dealt with thousand and thousand and THOUSANDS of mexicans every single day should probably not comment on what is happening in border states, because they are out of touch. that’s not an insult: you really can’t even begin to understand how bad large scale mexican immigration is for the US until you have dealt with it for a few years, and you have seen the transformation. you need two reference points: your town before the invasion, and your town after. it’s a night and day change.

    2) “California is not crowded, it’s only half as dense as Italy.” well, should we wait until our nation is a dense as italy before doing something about it? isn’t low density one of the good things about america? i like the US the way it is and i’m not that interested in living nation with super dense cities like mexico city. what’s next, countering complaints about falling real wages with comparison to wages in russia or the philippines? “Who cares if real wages are falling, people in Russia barely make $10,000 a year!”

    3) jed is wrong. people are leaving coastal cities to get away from immigrants. i meet people like this almost every day. anybody who thinks otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.

    jed is interpreting his math wrong. it’s easy to make small numbers grow fast and hard to make big numbers grow fast. if there is 1 mexican in my town and another mexican arrives, we have increased the number of mexicans 100% and the rate of growth is fast. if there are 100 mexicans in my town and another mexican arrives, we have increased the number of mexicans 1% and the rate of growth is slow. people are leaving the towns with the BIG numbers of mexicans and moving to the towns with SMALL numbers of mexicans. by mathematical definition, the towns wih SMALL numbers of mexicans will have a faster growing population of mexicans by the simple rules of arithmetic.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What I’m talking about is the increases in housing costs driven by 20 million new immigrants over the last decade needing a place to live.

    The only reason immigrants are driving housing prices up is because of development restrictions (zoning) and severely misguided “property tax relief” initiatives.

    Anecdotally, the US states and world countries with highest rate of property taxation (New Hampshire, Connecticut, New Jersey, Wisconsin, Oregon; Canada, Switzerland, Australia) have better economies, cheaper housing and higher quality of life than states and world countries with low or no property taxes (Alabama, Arkansas, DC, Massachusetts, Wyoming; Austria, France, Italy, Spain and Sweden).

    As for Japan’s “super hot economy”, are you aware of the fact that Japan shifted their tax burden away from land and real estate throughout the 1980′s in the name of “tax relief”? In 1989 they had to introduce a consumption tax to make up for the lost revenue, and their economy has stagnated ever since.

    If you want to say something intelligent and scientifically-minded about affordable housing and family formation, why are you ignoring facts which have been known to economists for nearly 300 years?

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  • If you think there’s any such distinction, you’re being deceived by think tank faux “economists”. The basics of real estate economics have been known to economists for nearly 100 years. You could inform yourself, and stop supporting the real estate lobbyists who want to wreck your local market just like they wrecked CA.

    Dave, Anon, etc.:

    I’m not buying the drivel of faux economists. What I’m talking about is the increases in housing costs driven by 20 million new immigrants over the last decade needing a place to live.

    That is not good for young Americans trying to start families. If the only choices for young couples are: a) really expensive housing in/near the city; or b) reasonably priced housing plus a 2 hour commute and a hellish gas bill, how is that good for Americans?

    I’m not talking about the economy: I’m talking about the next generation. We have become so obsessed with economic stats that we’ve forgotten what a good economy is supposed to be for.

    For example, Japan (in the 80s) and Korea have had super hot economies and stratospheric real estate prices. The end result? Both countries have some of the lowest birthrates in the world. The same is happening here: the increase in home prices is making it harder for young AMERICANS to start their own families. We are quite literally replacing our own children and grandchildren with OTHER PEOPLE’S children and grandchildren.

    So don’t try and sell me the economic bullcrap, when all the really important stats are moving in the wrong direction: the federal deficit, consumer debt, and the trade deficit. We are increasingly a debtor nation, in spite of our so-called “booming” economy.

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  • Jed says: • Website

    Anon/C23,

    The stats are right under your nose, one of them even included in Barone’s article.

    My source is the census bureau data. From 2000-2005, there was a net outflow of foreign-born non-citizens (the census bureau category) from CM and a net inflow in IB.

    The rate of inflow of foreign born citizens and non-citizens was much higher into IB than of native-born into CM. (1/3 of all new IB residents were foreign-born, at least 3x greater percentage than the population.)

    If the native-born are fleeing CM for IB because of the foreign-born, they are complete and total idiots. — because they are going where the foreign-born population is growing the fastest.

    Personally, I think they are fleeign high housing prices for lower housing prices and better job prospects. But that’s just me.

    -Jed

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  • You guys really need to hit Google or Yahoo Finance or something and re-acquaint yourself with the economic news of the last several years. Let me just summarize a few things here for you in the meantime.

    1) Yes, Virginia, there was a housing boom. This included not just appreciation in the prices of existing homes, but the building of many new homes.

    2) How did this drive the economy? Several ways, including:

    A) Construction spending. More construction, more workers getting paid decent wages to build homes, more money for suppliers like lumber companies, tool companies, etc.

    B) The Wealth Effect. People whose homes (or other assets) are appreciating tend to spend money more liberally, because they feel richer (The Wealth Effect from the housing boom kicked in at an opportune time, since the Wealth Effect from the stock market was going in reverse during the bear market of 2000-2002). This, along with C) and D) in particular, increased consumer spending, which is a huge driver of the economy.

    C) Refinancing. Many homeowners refinanced their mortgages to lower rates, thus lowering their housing costs by hundreds of dollars per month. This gave them more free cash to either invest in the stock market or spend as consumers.

    D) Tapping into home equity. Either through tax-deductible home equity lines of credit at low rates, or mortgage refinancing for more than the amount owed on the loan, many home owners got more cash-in-pocket.

    E) Home improvement. The boom in home prices led to greater attention in home improvement. Lots of spending at companies like Lowe’s on tools and materials, more work for contractors doing complex jobs, etc.

    F) More work for ancillary services. Title insurance companies, real estate attorneys, realtors, home inspectors, mortgage loan officers, insurance companies, etc. all profited from the boom.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The problem with an economy driven by the housing market is that it increases to new real wealth into the economy, because housing isn’t, for the most part, something you can trade with other nations.

    I think you’re missing the point. IIRC, the Japanese were buying plenty of US land and real estate in the 1980′s – are you saying that this was a good thing?

    This also gets into the distinction of what’s good for the “economy” versus what’s good for the people.

    If you think there’s any such distinction, you’re being deceived by think tank faux “economists”.

    The basics of real estate economics have been known to economists for nearly 100 years. You could inform yourself, and stop supporting the real estate lobbyists who want to wreck your local market just like they wrecked CA.

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  • Mark says:

    Housing prices going up was bad for the economy? The housing boom was the main driver of the broader economy for the last five years.

    Driving it how? The problem with an economy driven by the housing market is that it increases to new real wealth into the economy, because housing isn’t, for the most part, something you can trade with other nations. That’s why the big three deficits have been soaring during the economic “boom” – the federal budget deficit, the trade deficit, and consumer debt.

    Our long-term economy depends not on a booming housing market, but an economy that focuses on out-producing other nations.

    This also gets into the distinction of what’s good for the “economy” versus what’s good for the people. Young people looking to start families most certainly do not benefit from soaring home prices. They suffer from them, which is why housing costs are inversely related to birthrates and family size.

    While what you say about the adverse effects of immigration may be correct, the truth is that California isn’t really crowded. It’s only crowded by American standards, for example, California has half the density of Italy. Working-class Americans expect a house to have a huge back yard and a garage to park both their cars. These things aren’t really necessary.

    That’s exactly what we need! Americans just need to lower their sites! Why, we should be more than happy to be as crowded as Bangladesh or Korea, even if we don’t have to be.

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  • These things aren’t really necessary. It’s perfectly possible to raise a family where the shops are in walking distance and you don’t have to drive your kids everywhere.

    Overall, California has not become more family friendly over the years. Sorry, it hasn’t. The occasional “hip family” aside, most people are concerned about their children’s education and multicultural schools that perform abysmally aren’t very attractive to most white Americans. (Remember, California is now down there in many educational metrics with the Deep South. Amazingly, California increasingly has nothing on the likes of Mississippi and Louisiana academically in spite of educational expenditures that are undoubtedly far above those southern states.) Also, if those streets are not particular safe, you can forget the walking distance.

    The long-term trend is toward cities inhabited by hordes of minorities dotted with wealthy liberal white and Asian enclaves far too expensive for the very diverse, colorful, vibrant rabble leftists pay lip-service to politically. White working and middle-class families need not apply.

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  • Zero-sum? Really? Housing prices going up was bad for the economy? The housing boom was the main driver of the broader economy for the last five years.

    To the extent that people who are selling their homes must find new ones locally (either purchasing new and more expensive ones or renting more expensive ones) or leave town for a new, cheaper location, it would appear that while any particular individual may do well in the housing market, the overall gain for all homeowners is going to much less than might be expected over the long run. That gain also comes at a cost of abandoning increasingly “multicultural” coastal regions, especially in the sunnier locations of the country, for places that are further inland.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Zero-sum? Really? Housing prices going up was bad for the economy? The housing boom was the main driver of the broader economy for the last five years.

    If you cannot build anywhere due to zoning restrictions and/or land prices, you’re not going to have much of a “housing boom”. As for being a “driver of the economy”, my hunch is that you’re confusing correlation with causation. Real estate construction is a “roundabout” activity which is sensitive to interest rates. It’s low interest rates which are the true driver of the economy.

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  • Dave says:

    “But in fact, this “benefit” to homeowners is a zero-sum transfer. The overall effect of housing scarcity is detrimental to the economy at large.”

    Zero-sum? Really? Housing prices going up was bad for the economy? The housing boom was the main driver of the broader economy for the last five years.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Mark, have you not been paying attention to places like Oakland and the eastern neighborhoods of Los Angeles– economically distressed areas of prosperous coastal megalopolises where white people and Asians have successfully homesteaded areas that were formerly minority and working class? Jerry Brown’s policies as mayor were all about attracting affluent white and Asian taxpayers who were getting priced out of San Francisco to come and redevelop Oakland. While in L.A., you’re getting gays and hipsters steadily pushing eastward, from Los Feliz to Silver Lake to Highland Park, Eagle Rock, and even Echo Park, pushing out low income Latinos. You always get gays and hipsters as the shock troops of gentrification, because they don’t mind dealing with the trash, grafitti, car break ins, and the like, but soon after them come the hip families looking for cool neighborhoods who can’t afford the westside or the nicer parts of the Valley.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    While what you say about the adverse effects of immigration may be correct, the truth is that California isn’t really crowded. It’s only crowded by American standards, for example, California has half the density of Italy. Working-class Americans expect a house to have a huge back yard and a garage to park both their cars. These things aren’t really necessary. It’s perfectly possible to raise a family where the shops are in walking distance and you don’t have to drive your kids everywhere.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Because of this, the recent boom in home prices has been perceived as a plus for most Americans — particularly for those selling and then moving further out into the exurbs. For those who don’t already own… it’s not so great, but this is a minority.

    But in fact, this “benefit” to homeowners is a zero-sum transfer. The overall effect of housing scarcity is detrimental to the economy at large.

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  • I don’t pretend to be an expert on LA real estate, but I would be surprised if illegal aliens were bidding up the prices of real estate there either. They certainly aren’t the cause of the higher real estate prices here. Unless LA illegals are producing movies or something, how could they afford to buy in middle class areas? – dave

    It’s simple: supply and demand. Immigrants increase the demand as much as anyone. They live there in vast numbers, and obviously they’re living somewhere. Frequently immigrants, legal or illegal, will live many families to a house. Pool your money and you can afford it. Sure, the prices are high – but then so is rent.

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  • they follow the white people who build all the infrastructure and technology in the desert. without them, the mexicans would not be around in numbers.

    In the 1840s, Mexicans weren’t around in huge numbers. The 1850 US census placed the population of California at about 90,000. There were almost no Mexican settlements in the land we supposedly “stole” from them. The Mexican claims on the land we “stole” were as effective as if I were to claim Pluto for myself.

    No white person wants to attempt to take back the ‘hood one family at a time. There is probably plenty of low-income housing in big cities that could be bought up or bought out, renovated, and effectively sealed off from more crime-prone nearby neighborhoods by groups of whites willing to act toward that end. The problem is that such ethnic collectivism is nonexistent among whites. – tommy

    I don’t think it requires ethnic collectivism. Have you seen the news? A private equity firm has bought out Chrysler for $7 billion. It would be quite easy for a developer with a plan to buy up bad neighborhoods in convenient parts of town and rennovate/rebuild an area large enough to make it attractive to the middle class.

    The real problem is that in many cities the city council would fight it tooth and nail. In minority dominated towns, the councilmen would oppose any plan that would result in the loss of their political supporters, even if their supporters benefitted from such a plan. These politicians don’t want neighborhood improvement. They want to drive out whites and continue to get vast amounts in federal government handouts for their cities.

    Minority – especially black – politicians are very adept at crafting policies that drive out whites. Through high taxes, onerous regulations, school zoning, racist business dealings and carefully directed chaos, they know how to encourage white flight.

    White racial awareness is on the rise. Not through any concerted effort, but as a consequence of policies that are driving the middle class to the brink of poverty. When even Johnny Engineer has to buy a home with a brown lawn on the edge of the desert that’s a 90 minute commute from his job, he’s not gunna be very empathetic to the whining of immigrants and minorities.

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  • … There is a silver lining to the Mexican cloud: the pending real estate slump means that there will be less demand for los illegales’ labor. Prediction: as real estate goes down, so will “elite’ media’s avidity for more Mexicans in the US.

    The enthusiasm for open borders will not abate anytime soon. It would take some extraordinary event – a 9/11 times 100, perhaps – for that to happen. If the Ft. Dix massacre hap happened, it might have occurred. Even then, it would be the middle class folks, not the elites, who would harden their resolve.

    It would probably take dirty bombs going off simultaneously in Aspen, Martha’s Vineyard, Manhattan, Beverly Hills, Boulder, Bellevue, Marin County, Lake Tahoe and the Hamptons for that to change. (Incidentally, if that did happen, the terrorists would actually be getting the Americans they hate the most).

    The rich benefit from illegal immigration no matter what the housing market is like at any particular moment. Large inflows of immigrants will benefit the owners of businesses and land, whether that’s now or later.

    That white yuppies would go to such desperate lengths to find housing IMHO speaks to a crisis that will eventually spill out just as Prop 13 did. It just needs it’s own Howard Jarvis. Fred Thompson? He’s made noises in that direction, and it could jump-start him over everyone else. Cheaper housing for everyone is certainly a vote getter.

    The trouble with that is that Thompson has no reliable history of opposing high levels of immigration. Even more difficult is that it’s nearly impossible for a candidate to run on secure borders and still raise the money he needs. Let’s face the facts – practically all of the money raised by candidates comes from rich interests who support high immigration and/or who are looking to buy politicians. The middle and working classes just don’t bother to contribute: they could make a huge difference if they did, but they don’t. (Even if they do contribute in small amounts, no one knows what position caused them to donate. Enforcement advocates need their own EMILY’s List.)

    It’s the same all over, wealth elites making common cause with immigrants to force out the middle classes. Because what is most profoundly threatening to the elites is upward mobility by the middle class. The same thing happened in the Middle Ages too.

    By 1300, something like 60% of all Europeans were serfs, tied to the land and their master. That’s the slavery you never hear about. After the Black Death, which caused huge amounts of labor shortages, increasing wages for the poor. The landed nobles were pissed, and Edward II, among other kings, enacted numerous laws, such as wage freezes, to keep the poor “in their place.”

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  • I don’t pretend to be an expert on LA real estate, but I would be surprised if illegal aliens were bidding up the prices of real estate there either. They certainly aren’t the cause of the higher real estate prices here. Unless LA illegals are producing movies or something, how could they afford to buy in middle class areas?

    Okay, but like I said, no white person wants to take back the ‘hood (or the barrio) one family at a time. Minorities with high rates of crime and low rates of education don’t have to bid up the prices, they just have to move into working class neighborhoods en masse and make affordable land, with low crime rates and good schools, unavailable. The scarcity of remaining land will ensure that prices rise there.

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  • Banking on illegal immigrants

    Banks are seeing an untapped resource in providing home loans to undocumented U.S. residents

    August 8, 2005: 3:39 PM EDT

    By Shaheen Pasha, CNN/Money staff writer

    NEW YORK (CNN/Money) – The banking industry is opening its doors to a controversial new market: illegal immigrants.

    Despite heated political debate in Washington over illegal immigration in the United States, an increasing number of banks are seeing an untapped resource for growing their own revenue stream and contend that providing undocumented residents with mortgages will help revitalize local communities.

    It’s a win-win situation, they say.

    But skeptics worry about the message these home loans send to illegal immigrants: break our laws and we’ll reward you with a home.

    “It’s institutionalizing illegality,” said Marti Dinerstein, president of Immigration Matters, a New York-based think tank. “Now there’s no distinction being made between the people that follow all the rules and those who break our laws by entering the country or overstaying their visas.”

    Dinerstein also worried that lack of knowledge on the part of illegal immigrants could pave the way for abuse in the form of predatory lending.

    But advocates of the practice say the benefits outweigh any potential downside.

    According to the Center for Immigration Studies, one million illegal immigrants cross the U.S. borders every year. About 500,000 illegal immigrants lose that status every year either by getting legitimate green cards or returning to their native countries. That leaves a 500,000 annual net increase of illegal immigrants – a market that has unmet banking needs.

    “This is a huge untapped market with people that live and work in this country and are capable of buying homes to realize the American dream,” said Chan Peterson, executive vice president and head of community banking at Banco Popular, one of the earliest banks to enter this field. …

    http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/08/news/economy/illegal_immigrants/

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  • Tommy:

    “So, an elite group of Europeans purchasing prime real estate in Manhattan (never the cheapest place to live anyway) is a problem…”

    I didn’t characterize it as a problem, I just identified it as a factor in the run-up of Manhattan real estate prices. See again my point about the different perspectives of those who own real estate versus those who don’t but want to.

    “…but Mexicans swallowing up East LA and other vast tracts of the Paradise City and making them uninhabitable for the solitary working-class Anglo isn’t?”

    I don’t pretend to be an expert on LA real estate, but I would be surprised if illegal aliens were bidding up the prices of real estate there either. They certainly aren’t the cause of the higher real estate prices here. Unless LA illegals are producing movies or something, how could they afford to buy in middle class areas?

    We have our share of illegals here, working in landscaping, restaurants, etc., and they tend to live in the sorts of places that no middle class person would even consider — like second floor apartments above businesses on Main Street, places with no parking (which doesn’t deter the illegals, who travel by bike).

    I can see other reasons to crack down on illegal immigration (aside from the obvious one, that it’s illegal), but I don’t buy that illegal busboys are putting real estate prices out of reach for anybody.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    David Davenport:

    “… There is a silver lining to the Mexican cloud: the pending real estate slump means that there will be less demand for los illegales’ labor.”

    Home prices are a lagging indicator. The share prices of publicly-traded home builders are a leading indicator, and those stocks have been sucking wind for a while. The building boom is already over, and fewer Mexicans are sneaking in to work here, because there are fewer construction jobs.

    Mexicans aren’t bidding up the prices on houses. They’re not bidding up the prices Porches either.

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  • Rich Europeans buying property in Manhattan, taking advantage of exchange rates — not immigrants, but foreign citizens who spend a few months a year in New York on tourist visas.

    So, an elite group of Europeans purchasing prime real estate in Manhattan (never the cheapest place to live anyway) is a problem, but Mexicans swallowing up East LA and other vast tracts of the Paradise City and making them uninhabitable for the solitary working-class Anglo isn’t?

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  • SFG says:

    People are attracted to the old, tight, 19th century cities in their teens and twenties. It’s then that you need, or think you need, downtown and bright lights and people, people, people. By the mid-30′s, the onset of middle age for most, the glamour has more than worn off and the advantages of space and light and easy mobility become ever more apparent. Who needs the daily reality of noise and grime and daily near combat after the youth induced glamour has worn off?

    Naaah. Steve’s theory actually explains that too. Young people want to live in cities because that’s where other young people live . If I am a single man, I don’t want to live in a family-friendly place that bans bars and nightclubs where I might meet a single woman. Once the two of us are no longer single, we want space to raise children.

    It’s like asking a frog whether water or land is a better place to live. When you’re a tadpole, or when you’re a frog?

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  • Prediction: as real estate goes down, so will “elite’ media’s avidity for more Mexicans in the US.

    This seems excessively optimistic. The elite media is the propaganda wing of the Democratic party – and Republicans who act like Democrats – like McCain. The elite media will not soon, not ever, lose its enthusiasm for highly fertile likely Democrats.

    Jeez, Steve points this out often enough.

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  • Mexican illegals aren’t bidding up the cost of real estate

    Disagree, for three reasons.

    Mexicans HAVE been buying houses in towns such as Las Vegas. Proof of legal residenccy? Don’t need no steenkin papers like dat to get sub-prime mortgeege!

    Whether they buy or rent, Mexicans drive up house prices in respectable parts of town(s) by enlarging the slum zones in middle American cities.

    Cheap Mex labor, often working “off the books” has helped fuel real estate overbuilding.

    Ok, overbuilding means that house prices are going to be coming down. To be fair, i’ll have to say that cheap Mexican labor is going to make US house prices cheaper in the future. So who suffers? people who bought a mortgage during the real estate top of the past few years.

    You immigration apologists really ought to get out of NYC more often.

    … There is a silver lining to the Mexican cloud: the pending real estate slump means that there will be less demand for los illegales’ labor. Prediction: as real estate goes down, so will “elite’ media’s avidity for more Mexicans in the US.

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  • Informative Michale Barone article in the WSJ: The Realignment of America The native-born are leaving "hip" cities for the heartland.BY MICHAEL BARONE Tuesday, May 8, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDTIn 1950, when I was in kindergarten in Detroit, the city had a population of (rounded off) 1,850,000. Today the latest census estimate for Detroit is 886,000,...
  • Fred says:

    Some of these comments by soi disant “white nationalists” remind me of Sailer’s comment once about Democrats, that they “exude a faint whiff of personal failure”.

    I’m no fan of unlimited Mexican immigration either, but the presence of Mexican busboys is no excuse for you not getting ahead in this country. The more you start thinking the answer is in political change — rather than changing your self — the more likely those “faint whiffs” of failure will grow stronger.

    The reality is that whoever gets elected President next will make far less difference on your economic situation than the actions that you take on your own to improve it. The political environment is always imperfect, but it is good enough for enterprising individuals to get ahead. What’s really stopping you? Tell me your situation and maybe I can offer some helpful advice.

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  • My new VDARE.com column is up a day early. Here's an excerpt: Are the Americans who are being driven from the Coastal Megalopolises to the Interior Boomtowns better off because their old cities are filling up with immigrants who outbid them in the housing market—typically, because the foreigners don't mind living with an entire extended...
  • One fact Steve doesn’t add into this equation: 69% of American adults own their own homes. Because of this, the recent boom in home prices has been perceived as a plus for most Americans — particularly for those selling and then moving further out into the exurbs. For those who don’t already own… it’s not so great, but this is a minority.

    That said, I doubt immigration has had a major effect on the most recent boom. Mexican illegals aren’t bidding up the cost of real estate, and the boom wasn’t a result of a spike in legal immigration. The causes of the run-up in prices included the essential elimination of capital gains taxes on the sale of primary residences and mortgage interest rates lower than they had been in 40 years.

    In New York City, there has been a couple of unique additional factors: 1) World War II-era rent control laws, that keep below-market rents on maybe 10-20% of the housing stock, thus artificially increasing the costs of market-rate real estate. 2) Rich Europeans buying property in Manhattan, taking advantage of exchange rates — not immigrants, but foreign citizens who spend a few months a year in New York on tourist visas.

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  • Ricpic says: • Website

    People are attracted to the old, tight, 19th century cities in their teens and twenties. It’s then that you need, or think you need, downtown and bright lights and people, people, people. By the mid-30′s, the onset of middle age for most, the glamour has more than worn off and the advantages of space and light and easy mobility become ever more apparent. Who needs the daily reality of noise and grime and daily near combat after the youth induced glamour has worn off?

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  • Mark,

    It would be even more remarkable if they were able to put their heads together and realize that the reason they’re always fleeing one neighborhood after another is because of our immigration and race problems. Americans have been so thoroughly brainwashed on issues of race that many people don’t even realize that immigration is the cause.

    I’ve met literally dozens of ex-Californians – nearly all of them white – and the first thing out of the mouth of every last one of them regarding California is “it’s so expensive to live there.”

    Yes, resolving that problem would require a degree of collective behavior from whites (i.e., whites acting in the interests of, and in concert with, other whites). Since that sort of racially-oriented thinking among whites has been discouraged in our society, it is very difficult to find enough people who would be able to make it happen. No white person wants to attempt to take back the ‘hood one family at a time.

    There is probably plenty of low-income housing in big cities that could be bought up or bought out, renovated, and effectively sealed off from more crime-prone nearby neighborhoods by groups of whites willing to act toward that end. The problem is that such ethnic collectivism is nonexistent among whites — unless you count Hasidic and other Orthodox Jews in places like Borough Park, Brooklyn.

    Udolpho,

    Hey, but more tacos and mariachi music for Tyler Cowen to enjoy so it all evens out.

    Exactly. Aren’t higher housing costs a small price to pay for a better-tasting enchilada?

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  • Tvoh says: • Website

    I am a Bostonian by birth. As a young kid, my family left the inner city. This was no flight from crime, it was the fifties. A cheap mortgage took us out. People were steadily moving out over the decades. Granted, the hegira was accelerated by the forced busing insanity.

    I’m glad we left. A working class family, I doubt my parents ever went to Symphony Hall to hear the BSO. Probably 99% of Greater Boston does not listen to classical music or ever did. If you asked people, they would say the oldies station played classical music.

    People who leave Boston do not make a beeline to Vegas.

    Today, I live in the far exurbs. We do go to Tanglewood at least twice a summer. It is easier to get to and there are no hassles to park. Bring your own supper and picnic on the lawn. Every family or couple brings a bottle of wine and there are no fights. Beats a rock concert.

    When Socrates was hanging around the Agora, he did not have to worry about rush hour traffic* Which is really hell in Boston and is what makes the place so unlivable. Also a minus is a goofy, but cunning mayor who makes W sound like Cicero.

    The Boston/Cambridge pseudo intellectual milieu is there, but most of the Hahvuhd profs live in cushy Belmont. They can take a quick bus and subway trip to the Square from whence they can lecture the lumpen caucasian on equality.

    If that is still too much urbanity, they can travel west to the Amherst-Northampton region which is just as pseudo intellectually well developed, with Smith, Umass, Amherst College, Camp Hamp and Mount Holyoke all fairly close. The African American minority is of the right size and makes the acceptable anti racist noises. We are cute about our system of Apartheid.

    *Of course there was that period when Lysander and the Spartan fleet were causing starvation. And that trial where they were deciding on whether or not he should have a free beverage. Today, he could publish** anything and he would just be another Ph.D. Only don’t use the word “nappy”

    **Actually, he never did publish anything even though Bill Bennett seems to think he did.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    One thing stands out: even Democrats are hearing complaints from Primary voters on Illegal Immigration, in places like Iowa and Kansas. Even in land-rich states the crowding, crime and competition for desirable real estate is driving most middle class whites even Dem Primary Voters to complain about illegal immigration. Or so says Mickey Kaus.

    IF this is true (I think it’s reasonable to assume it is true — economic realities of competition for real estate dominate middle class life) then illegal immigration and the costs to middle class voters COULD potentially be the Prop 13 of today.

    Very interesting. Some smart politician will use that issue to jump past the pack.

    I think you can see this pressure, i.e. competition for land, in the gentrification wars. Places like Echo Park in LA, or in New Orleans (where I lived ten years ago) in the Upper Garden District. Yuppie couples with kids would try and homestead, find both restoration of old houses/mansions in New Orleans was very difficult and the crime just too much. Local blacks well understood the stakes of gentrification and resisted it with all their street army might. The killing of the naive “independent film maker” in Fauburg Marigny recently (she was shot holding her baby) came as no surprise. It’s right next to the French Quarter, lots of cool jazz clubs (Ellis Marsalis, father of Branford and Wynton, played there occasionally and left with bodyguards, natch) such as Cafe Brasil and Club Zinc. But ten years ago a Catholic Priest (Black) was shot and killed in a street robbery. He had his full collar etc. on too.

    I don’t think overall white yuppies are stupid about crime and the stakes of gentrification (locals will IMHO literally kill to protect their neighborhood from what amounts to economic cleansing).

    That white yuppies would go to such desperate lengths to find housing IMHO speaks to a crisis that will eventually spill out just as Prop 13 did. It just needs it’s own Howard Jarvis. Fred Thompson? He’s made noises in that direction, and it could jump-start him over everyone else. Cheaper housing for everyone is certainly a vote getter.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Jody said:
    “the casino industry also contributes to bad high schools because they offer good paying jobs and even complete careers for people with low intelligence or education. why work hard at school when you are just going to enter the service industry anyway and make a lot of money?”

    Help a young man out. What careers are well paid in Las Vegas like the ones you’re referring too?

    There is a documentary on Las Vegas that the History Channel or A&E airs every so often, it’s probably 7 or 8 years old. One of the journalists interviewed in it said Las Vegas is arguably the last place in America where a person with only a high school education can make a middle class living.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Jed:

    I don’t think you really made your case very well.

    -Immigrants may be leaving coastal megalopolises for interior boomtowns too, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are still fewer of them in interior boomtowns than there are in coastal megalopolises. In this case, it’s the absolute percentages that matter, not the trends (for now).

    -The existence of employment and affordable housing in a region is not independent of the number of immigrants.

    -If you’re going dispute Barone’s purported fact that immigrants are flowing into the C.M, you should at least provide a source for your assertion that he’s wrong and they’re leaving instead.

    c23

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  • Hey, but more tacos and mariachi music for Tyler Cowen to enjoy so it all evens out.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting article, but essentially a rehash of Sailer’s standard position.

    He still misses the essential question. If you’re an upper middle class white person, who would you rather live next door to? Who would you rather see your kids dating?

    When it comes to upwardly mobile minorities, Latinos are always preferrable to blacks. Latinos are whiter, 50/50 on average, and generally speaking, not people you’d mind inviting to your barbecue.

    White heart surgeons and tax attorneys are about as thrilled to be living with their black counterparts as white convicts are thrilled to be imprisoned with black convicts.

    Hence the fury that greets affirmative action for blacks, but not for Latinos, Indians, or white women.

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  • Dave says:

    Jody:

    “it’s dangerous to drive there. the drivers are bad in general and the illegals do not have insurance. about 2 people per week are killed driving, most recently a boxer named diego corrales.”

    Diego Corrales was an adrenaline junkie who was probably going triple digits on his motorcycle.

    BTW, for those of you who haven’t seen it — even if you aren’t boxing fans — I urge you to find and see the first fight between Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo. Unreal.

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  • If this trend continues, all of us non-elite whites are eventually going to end up within the borders of, say, Kansas. The thick brown circle around us with white sprinkles will be called Dunkinia, and we’ll be the colorless Donutholia.

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  • Jed says: • Website

    Well there is a problem with the Sailer-Barone theory here, at least as it relates to “fleeing foreigners.”

    - Both the native-born and foreign-born non-citizen (some of whom are legal immigrants) populations declined in “Coastal Megalopolises”

    - The numbers of foreign-born non-citizens increased three times faster than native-born in the “Interior Boomtowns” where the native-born were supposedly heading to avoid immigrants

    The reality is that these demographic trends point more towards things that native-born and foreign-born people have in common, particularly the desire to find employment and affordable housing.

    If there is a feature here worth exploring, it is whether or not once they move, the native-born find they face increased competition in the work-place from foreign-born workers, or whether the economy is strong enough that everybody is satisfied.

    Regardless of the answer to that, our immigration system does need rationalizing, but it turns out that Barone’s article and Sailer’s essay aren’t particularly relevant to that effort.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    European civilization is being destroyed. There it’s MUSLIM immigrants who are imposing Sharia Law and are openly allied with the Leftist elites (who are wealthy rent-seekers just like ours).

    France, Germany, and the UK have all had an exodus of talented young people. London has 500,000 French emigres, but the UK itself is seeing talented educated people move to the US or Canada or Australia as they are priced out of housing and see creeping Sharia.

    The UK has banned: Piglet from Winnie the Pooh, the three little pigs, teaching the holocaust, the Union Jack, pork products, and various other items from aspects of public life because Muslims threaten terror. And they still get constant terror plots and the odd jihad.

    It’s the same all over, wealth elites making common cause with immigrants to force out the middle classes. Because what is most profoundly threatening to the elites is upward mobility by the middle class. The same thing happened in the Middle Ages too.

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  • Todd says:

    If they could afford where they wanted, who in their right mind would choose Tuscon, Riverside, or Provo over the nicer neighborhoods of Boston, L.A., or New York City?

    Ha! Well, I’ve had the misfortune of living in Provo while I was attending college (quite recently, in fact), and I can tell you you’re absolutely correct. I HATED Provo, and I am no longer a Mormon, but I can also assure you that if the choice was between my wife and I living as DINKs in Boston or having kids and living in Provo, I’d choose Provo every time.

    And that’s really what separates the conservatives from the liberals. It’s not that conservatives don’t appreciate the cultural amenities of Boston and other great cities. It’s that we value having families even more.

    That’s why the early waves of people fleeing CA were filled with conservatives. Now, lots of people fleeing can’t afford to live there whether they have families or not. They are thus more liberal, and moving their new home states in that direction.

    If Michael Barone thinks that Hispanics and Asians will magically transform into conservatives the minute they set foot into one of the red states, then he needs to get his head examined. All the minority dominated state senate and legislative districts in Salt Lake County tilt far towards the Democratic column. The races aren’t even close.

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  • Mark says:

    It’s a remarkable achievement of Americans that they are constantly building a civilization from the dirt up out on the exurban frontier as they flee the high cost, bad schools, congestion, and crime of their old homes.

    It would be even more remarkable if they were able to put their heads together and realize that the reason they’re always fleeing one neighborhood after another is because of our immigration and race problems. Americans have been so thoroughly brainwashed on issues of race that many people don’t even realize that immigration is the cause.

    I’ve met literally dozens of ex-Californians – nearly all of them white – and the first thing out of the mouth of every last one of them regarding California is “it’s so expensive to live there.”

    What they could add – and what many WOULD add if they were allowed to – is that it’s too expensive to find a neighborhood that’s safe for white people to live in, and where their neighbors share their cultural values.

    Michael Barone is completely lost on the subject. He compares new immigrant waves to the old ones. He compares Asians to Jews and Mexicans to the Irish, oblivious to the number of Irish who would be appalled at such. He also seems to think that just because a person changes geographical location they are magically transformed into something entirely different.

    Well. I’ve lived in multiple geographical locations throughout my life, and I’ve been basically the same person no matter where I was. And Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and the United States, though different from Europe, are far more like Europe than like the pre-exploration world that was occupied by Indians, Maoris, and Aborigines.

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  • Speaking of Las Vegas, I read just the other day that it has the highest rate of home mortgage foreclosures in the country. One out of every 30 home mortgages is in foreclosure, several times the national rate.

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  • i just spent 4 years in vegas. when i got there in 02 it was pretty good, but it’s been going downhill since then.

    a few of the new suburbs really are good places to live, but vegas is still a bad place to have a family. people are only moving to las vegas to escape southern california, not because it is good in general.

    the city is being overrun by mexicans and illegal aliens, which is something it had avoided for years. they have been following everybody out of california.

    they follow the white people who build all the infrastructure and technology in the desert. without them, the mexicans would not be around in numbers.

    the crime rate is very high and is exceptionally high for a city with so few black americans. vegas probably has the highest crime rate of any city with few blacks. in 06 it seemed like the police were killing about 2 people per week.

    it’s dangerous to drive there. the drivers are bad in general and the illegals do not have insurance. about 2 people per week are killed driving, most recently a boxer named diego corrales.

    the school district is 50% mexican and there are no good high schools in the city. UNLV is not a good college and anybody with a brain goes out of state. the casino industry also contributes to bad high schools because they offer good paying jobs and even complete careers for people with low intelligence or education. why work hard at school when you are just going to enter the service industry anyway and make a lot of money?

    i advise people seriously thinking about vegas to move into either summerlin or deep into henderson, or just wait for coyote springs to be built.

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  • Many of the “interior boomtowns” & exburbs do have another advantage, unrelated to immigrants – they are well designed to get around by automobile, unlike older towns with narrow twisting streets that can be pain to navigate and commute on.

    There is a fiscal advantage as well, since it makes longer commutes viable (due to higher average speed) meaning you can be within commuting distance of a larger number of employers, even with a less dense city.

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  • Worse, new cities are horribly ugly places. Look at the architecture, the floor plans, the space and materials and so on of older buildings, and compare them to what is built today. Suicidally depressing. There seems to be much greater crassness in new cities as well.

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  • I don’t think people need huge houses and large yards. Many prosperous people live in the world without huge living spaces. People here can sometimes get too greedy for space.

    It’s an IQ, not an immigrant issue. But yeah, serious imbalances going on.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I grew up lower middle class in Marin County, California, in the 1970s, just across the Bay from San Francisco. And there’s no way in hell someone of my parents’ income could afford a home there now. It’s an enclave for the wealthy and the overleveraged, and for good reason. Marin County is the frickin’ Garden of Eden. The weather is great, you’re a short drive across the Golden Gate Bridge from San Francisco and its cultural amenities, there are tons of hiking and biking trails and unspoiled coastline and the schools are excellent. Steve puts his finger on the obvious, but it doesn’t get said enough– a big reason the coastal megalopolises are so crowded and expensive is that they’re great places to live, so they act as magnets not just for multigenerational immigriant families but for the nation’s elite, who want the great weather, culture, and excitement, and can afford to insulate themselves from a lot of the negatives (crime, lousy schools, etc.) If they could afford where they wanted, who in their right mind would choose Tuscon, Riverside, or Provo over the nicer neighborhoods of Boston, L.A., or New York City?

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  • SKT says:

    What’s interesting is that it’s not just downstate New York and California that are expensive now, but also Washington, New Jersey, Miami, and even inland places like Las Vegas.

    I’m used to living in my own one bedroom place. Once I get done with school I’ll make roughly $45,000 for a number of years. Where am I supposed to go? Fargo? All the best places are too expensive now, and even some of the places that folks would just settle for in the past (like Philadelphia, Central Florida) are now getting out of reach.

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  • Old colonial hands, whether in Africa or the Americas, all used to say that no matter what you did, everything ended up being swallowed by the jungle and by the natives. That seems to be the sad fate of the USA.
    European civilization has a feeble grasp when uprooted from Europe.

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  • Informative Michale Barone article in the WSJ: The Realignment of America The native-born are leaving "hip" cities for the heartland.BY MICHAEL BARONE Tuesday, May 8, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDTIn 1950, when I was in kindergarten in Detroit, the city had a population of (rounded off) 1,850,000. Today the latest census estimate for Detroit is 886,000,...
  • I can just feel the love for me and mine radiating off of Anonymous the “WASP”-hater. Why would I want to prevent such love from settling permanently in my environment? I must be a xenophobic incompetent afraid of competition.

    More to the point, “WASPs” made what he wants. Why aren’t we in whatever darkie locale he’s from (or is only championing), telling the darkies what they made belongs to us because they’re soft and lazy?

    Because that would be an inversion of reality, and the weaknesses and strengths of the groups in question would be reversed.

    All the opposition has is side show acts that prey upon our ignorance. I love it when the fangs come out – much less disarming than the hat-in-hand type.

    Don’t look for “WASPs” to swarm the thread, whining about “anti-WASPism” and “conspiracy theories” and “inferiority complexes”; they’re probably on some other thread, defending jews.

    (WASPs run America! HA!)

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If you remove Jupiter’s misspellings, capitalizations, exclamation points, and crude language, what is left is the truth. He buries it beneath a ton of often stupid formal mistakes, but he is correct. Non-Whites are not of our tradition, do not have our interests at heart, and are essentially aliens in our land. They are not our family, miscegnation to the contrary notwithstanding.

    Our race, our family, our nation. As THEY have La Raza, we should have The Race. The White race. Every darky’s most profound hate-object. Our future is Zimbaubee’s unless we go radically racial and begin the deportations and pograms. Just my conjecture.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    THe following is very consistent with the theme of this thread which is:NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERIANS AR FLEEING SPIC INFESTED AREAS OF AMERICA.

    LEGAL CUBAN SPIC IMMIGRATION has transformed miami inot a foriegn city.

    The Cuban SPICS in miami are arrogant,obnoxious and foriegn.

    Miami is no longer an AMERICAN CITY.
    Fuck all you SPIC lovers at vdare.com

    The EURO-AMERICANS down in South FLorida hate the Cuban SPICS. This is no exageraton.

    Cuuban SPIC hertigage is not AMERICAN heritage.

    No one should send a fucking penny to vdare.com for embradcing the foreign SPIC CUBAN HERITAGE OF MIAMI.

    THE SPIC CUBANS ARE NOT OUR ALLIES.

    EVERY GODDAM CUBAN SPIC SHOULD BE SENT BACK TO CUBA AT GUNPOINT.

    To repeat:MIAMI was transformed into a CUBAN SPIC FORIEGN CITY BY LEGAL CUBAN SPIC IMMIGRATION.

    To the CUBAN SPIC WOMAN who wrote into vdare.com:YOU ARE A SPIC CUBAN AND I HATE EVRY FUCKING CUBAN SPIC IN MIAMI.

    IN MIAMI, SPANISH IS THE NATIONAL LANGUAGE. SPIC CUBAN BASTARDS OUT OF AMERICA!!!!!!

    JUPITER

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Russell

    What is there really to argue about?

    Wealthy legal immigrant hindus go on national tv and issue threats to the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN popualtion.

    It is time that WE isssue serious threats back at them.

    Perhaps you would like to have the king boring wonk discussion that the chubby fat boy who runs the Center for Immigration Studies loves to engage in on the Lou Dobbs show

    Legal immigrant asians,muslims,hispancs and africans are openly waging demographic warfar against the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN population of America.

    Policy wonk types want to have wonk policy discussions about a point system so more skilled hindu scabworkers can come in and steal jobs from NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS.

    I’ have no interest in promoting the ideas of CUBAN SPIC SPIC SPIC SPIC economist Gorge Borjas.

    AS far as LOU Dobbs goes, no one should look to him as the great leader on immigration refrom.

    Dobbs is wealthy man who married a mexican spic. This explains why he blathers on about embracing diversity and is eager to increase skilled legal immigration.

    Dobbs also uses his show as a platform to torture the Hispanic nation of Venezuela which poses no threat to AMERICA. How many billions of US taxpayers dollars would the scummy Dobbs like to spend on torturing the people of Venezuela?10? 20? 100? If I had to giess, Dobbs very likely married a member of the arrogant and corrupt Mexican SPIC upper class.

    Ordinary Mexicans now living n OUR AMERICA should be given an opprtunity to murder the Mexican rulling clas. Send them back with grenade launchers and m-16′s.

    But if it were up to the piece of fucking shit Alan Wall-you are a fucking piece of shit Alan-the US marines would be sent in to put an end to a long overdue revolt. The teachers of Chiappas are justified in revolting against their oppression.

    Dobbs is a piece of shit who maried a mexican spic and he expects the rest of US to adapt to his mexican spic wifes culture.

    Lou Dobbs if you are reading this1)you and the young porn stars who expose there shapely legs during the close ups are war crimminals2) your wife and half breed daughters are SPICS.

    Diversity sucks.

    The conquest of Euro-Christian America will only be resolved with a race war.

    If WE deport the spics, this will provoke a race race. If We don’t deport the spics there will be a race war.

    America has reached the point of no return.

    Euro-Christian men who have married spic woman have committed treason agaions their race.

    The SPICS are putting tremondous pressure on Ken Burns to rewrite the facts about American history.

    America’s resources are becomming scarcer with each passing year. And this is happenning during a period of rapid racial balkanization in US.

    A race war is ineviable. The point of no return has been passed.

    Jupiter

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  • Jupiter,

    The thing you may not realize is that no one is trying to convince you of anything. It seems to me that SFG was referring to you, not addressing you. Which is entirely understandable; I’d sooner reason with a 6 year old throwing a tantrum.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    SFG

    I don’t care if the delicate liberals you know are offended by my language.

    The problem is will not go away until both LEGAL and illegal immigration are completly shut down to 0.

    WE are in a nasty race war with the chinks,hindus,hispicnics,muslims,carribean and african coons.

    It is going to get lot more nasty as the stress builds up.

    The delicate liberals can go fuck themselves.

    Immigration refrom should be made safe for concerned delicate liberals.

    Making immigration refrom safe for delicate liberals has resulted in liberal immigration refromers going on national TV arguing the case against immigration based exclusively on how immgration hurts LEGAL IMMIGRATION from INDIA. You would never know from listening to liberal immigration refromers that NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS had any legitmate intetests.

    I hate liberal immigration refromers. I wish they would croak.

    Basing immigration reform on how immigration harms the interests of a maggot hindu legal immigrant completly delegitimzes the legitimate interests of the MAJORITY NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN population.

    I fucking hate liberals with every fibre of my being… including the ones involved in immigration reform.

    chinks,spics african niggers,carribean niggers and muslims are actively and conciously involved in the complete economic and racial dispossession of the NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN population of AMERICA.

    You should have bo doubt about how serious I am about this issue.

    During world 11 we called the germans krauts and the japanese jap bastards and gooks.

    WE are at war

    SOIL,BLOOD AMERICA

    Jupiter

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  • SFG says:

    It’s a pity the White Nationalists, anti semites and Neo Nazis managed to hijack a potentially interesting thread. More intelligent discussions would take place if the comments were moderated because as with money, the bad drives out the good.
    Arguably they have a point of view too. And it takes a pretty high degree of iconoclasm to think rationally about a lot of these issues; the only ones who are willing to challenge PC orthodoxy even on an intellectual level are going to be rural southerners who live in an environment relatively free from it. Heck, I could never express the real reasons for my views in my real life, even though I’d advocate for nothing more strenuous than massive immigration decreases and possibly a wall across the border with Mexico.

    I wish they were a little more measured in their rhetoric. I feel a little funny trying to split hairs with people who talk about ‘chinks and turds’. Not to mention it really does not help our cause. You know, I know so many people in my liberal corner of the Northeast who think the immigration thing is way out of whack but would head for the hills if they thought there were Klansmen in their movement or read some of the comments on this board. Even liberal people who believe in ‘diversity’ aren’t averse to the idea of a labor shortage.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Asian immigrants do in fact steal jobs from NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS.

    As their numbers increase they are in a position to use asian racial networking to hire their own kind.

    The Social Contract about ten or twelve years had an essay by one of the thousands of NATIVE BORN WHITE ENGINEERS WHITE MALE VICTMS of the asian colinization of silicon valley.

    This poor man with many patetns under his belt was given the mandatorry and perfunctory interview by this chink ifested company and than shown the door.

    It really doesn’t matter what Fred thinks the facts are. NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS KNOW THE FACTS FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE CHINKS.

    NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKERS ARE ORGANIZING AND BUILDING A MOVEMENT TO SHUT DOWN THE CHINK JOB THEFT PROGRAM.

    IT is well known that over the past six years that NATIVE BORN WHITE engineering and computer science programmers have been having difficulty finding employment in the engineering and computer programming fields.

    Combine with this the very real possibility that if one finds a job in the tech field one faces a future with no pension and being replaced with a chink or hindu turd and it is quite understanble that NATIVE BORN WHITE YOUTH would less inclined these days to major in engineering or computer ecience.

    Fred-are you a fucking kike bastard Fred?-is a low-life scumbag liar. WE know the facts.

    Bill Gates is a fucking parasite who made his billions off of technologies whose RD was subsidized for decades by millions of NATIVE BORN WHITE TAX PAYERS.

    In return the maggot Bill Gates is actively and openly participating in the economic and racial dispossession of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MAJORITY POPULATION.

    I CURSE AMERICAN JEWRY FOR THE 1965 IMMIGRATION REFROM ACT WHICH IS RAPIDLY BRINGING ABOUT THE ECONOMIC AND RACIAL DISPOSSESSION OF THE MAJORTIY NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION OF AMERICA.

    Bill Gates, Larry Ellison and every other ceo traitor,their corporate lawyers and the investment bankers should be taken out into an open field and mowed down with machine guns. Their wives,daughters,sisters and mistressess should be sold as sex slaves in Saudia Arabia,Chad,the Sudan and Somalia.

    Bill Gates is an evil man. One day he will be punished for his treason.

    I hate LEGAL IMMIGRANT asians.

    BRING BACK THE CHINK EXCLUSION ACT

    JUPITER

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  • some of these trolls are great! we have trolls fighting trolls here.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Fred -

    The paragraph about “if not for these brown interlopers…” is a paraphrase of what anti-immigration people are saying. Read the rest of what I wrote – my point is that I will believe whites would do this IMO useful labor when I see it. They seem much more interested in playing dress-up in business suits and office space antics than in contributing anything truly useful to the world.

    That is the problem with whites and their love/hate mania/phobia for immigration.

    Apparently proper white aryans are too noble to work with their hands (these days the word is IQ), but are obliged to act surprised when darker people fill the labor void and move in next door.

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  • “Of course no one sugests that thier 3rd world med school might just not be good enough.”

    If Canadian medical licensing requirements are similar to American requirements, what’s stopping these foreign physicians isn’t their lack of skills but the requirement to re-do several years of residency. That’s a bogus requirement designed to artificially inflate physician salaries in the U.S. by scaring off foreign physicians. The truth is that there are plenty of foreign physicians whose training is as good as that of U.S.-trained physicians, and they could easily pass our licensing tests, in English.

    “If not for these brown interlopers, whites would be flocking to fill the technical and craft professions, instead of spending taxpayer funds on four year degrees in “government” or law or “business management” or other middleman professions.”

    You sound like a pathetic whiner. No one is stopping you from becoming an engineer, scientist or physician. No one is preventing you from doing what Steve Jobs did at Apple, or what Martin Eberhard & Co. are trying to do at Tesla Motors; no one is stopping you from working for them either, if you’ve got the chops. No brown-skinned immigrant can stop you from clicking here and applying for an engineering position at this cutting edge auto start-up.

    Fred

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Counterfactuals prove nothing. If not for these brown interlopers, whites would be flocking to fill the technical and craft professions, instead of spending taxpayer funds on four year degrees in “government” or law or “business management” or other middleman professions.

    Reminds me of idealogues who say that if it weren’t for the Man, street corner gangstaz would be rocket scientists and pharaohs. I’ll believe it when I see it.

    Luxury and peace has corrupted the souls of middle class white Americans. Not the first time in history this has happened to someone. What did J-man say? The meek shall inherit the earth.

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  • 1) Transition toward a Canadian-style point system for immigrants, and increase immigration of highly skilled, high-income potential immigrants while shutting off the low-skilled immigration.

    This won’t help much. Canada is doing better than the US and Europe in the quality of its immigrants; however, this is only because of the sheer folly of their systems; not the quality of the Canadian system.

    Skilled immigrants are only about 20% of the intake (the others being family and refugees). But even if they were 100% it wouldn’t be a net gain for Canada. The labour market simply doesn’t need them. They are often unemployeed and can’t find work in their fields. Not a week goes by without the Toronto Star writing a story about poor PhD and MD immigrants driving cabs because their forign credentials aren’t being recognized. Of course no one sugests that thier 3rd world med school might just not be good enough.

    Immigrants to Canada cost the net taxpayer. This too is never mentioned in the mainstream press.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_immigration_to_Canada

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Your post is pile of bullshit.

    NATIVE BORN WHITES have been driven out of the tech and medical fields since the early 70′s. The process has accelerated in the past decade.

    If the asian,muslim.hispicnic,african and caribean coon LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and their”american” born children weren’t here, the nations work would still get done…only at a higher wage and with much greater protection against abuse by by the bossman and the greedy cheating class in general.

    The greedy cheating class has given the NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS the following choice:work for less than the immgrants and put up with even less protection and you can have your job back. This is a slaves choice.

    AS far as the intersts of NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS GO, labor scarcities are a wonderfull thing. Overwhelmngly,severe labor scarcities have been the single most important factor in narowing the wealth gap in America. NATIVE BORN WHITE WORKERS have always understood this obvious fact throughout US history.

    This is an old battle between Americans workers and the greedy cheating class.You post is a completet lie.

    I’ve never come across a severe labor scarcity that I didn’t like.

    Post-1965 asians,muslims,african coons,carribean cons and hispicnics are activiely participating the economic and racial dispossession of the MAJORITY NATIVE WHITE AMERICAN POPULATION.

    For some eveidence of this, check out the recet post over at vdare.com by Ed Rubinstien about the colonization of the US medical profession by LEGAL IMMIGRANT hindu thieves from india(turdistan)

    They are here to conquer US. There is only one solution to an invasion..repel and expell the invaders from asia,africa,carribean,latin/central america and the muslim world.

    Asians,muslims,hispicnics,african and caribean coons are actively involved in expelling NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS out of AMERICA street by street,block by block,town by town,state by state region by region.

    This will only be resolved through a race war.

    Warm regards
    Jupiter

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Part of the problem is that the 1950′s paid off. All the great-grandchildren of coal miners, dock workers, construction men, and so on are now being groomed to be something “important.” They want that business or law school degree or whatever it takes to live high off the hog in a massive corporate-bureaucratic middleman apparatus instead of actually contributing to the economy.

    Meanwhile, all the brown sons and daughters go for practical degrees. If they are smart, they go for medicine or engineering. Most go for 2 year tech degrees, things like that. The sad fact is, these brown children of immigrants are contributing more than these white kids piggybacking off a bloated white collar apparatus. Instead of writing memos and briefs about real work, they are doing real work.

    The blame game isn’t going to solve that. How all this is going to turn out, I have no clue.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There should be a massive reduction in the number of skilled immigrants.

    AMERICA does not need to import its doctors,nurses,engineers,computer programmers and scientists.

    Outside of a small number of elite world class scientists, the importation of skilled legal immigration should be brought down drastically.

    The H-1 B visa program is bringing about the destruction of a NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN engineering /tech workforce.

    Hundreds possibly thousands of years of NATIVE BORN WHITE WHITE ENGINEERING EXEXPERIENCE that resides in the heads of thousands of NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN ENGINEERING AND TECH WORKERS is being lost.

    This is part of the genocidal program to bring about the complete economic and racial dispossession of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE population.

    It is a national security risk to be importing AMERICAs tech workforce from china and india.

    Take the canadian point style systtem and shove it up your jewish ass daveg.

    The Canadian point style system has resulted in the complete colonization of Vancouver by china and india.

    The top priority is to develope the NATIVE BORN WHITE YOUTH OF AMERICA not china,india or koreas youth.

    BRING BACK THE CHINK EXCLUSION ACT

    IMPLEMENT A HINDU/SIKH EXCLUSION ACT.

    AMERICA is quite capable of being labor self-sufficient. No need to import foriegn medical doctors,engineers and computer programmers.

    BRING BACK THE CHINK EXCLUSION ACT!!!!!!!!

    JUPITER

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  • Dave says:

    “I’m curious as to what some of Steve’s readers would propose if they had a chance to redesign this country’s immigration and citizenship policy from scratch.”

    Here are my proposals:

    1) Transition toward a Canadian-style point system for immigrants, and increase immigration of highly skilled, high-income potential immigrants while shutting off the low-skilled immigration.

    2) Require even those born here to meet the same requirements for citizenship as immigrants before allowing them to vote. If having a basic understanding of American history and knowing how to speak English is a requirement for legal immigrants to become citizens, it should be a requirement for everyone.

    3) To decrease corruption and more closely align the interests of elected representatives with the American people, make two changes:

    A) Ban all relatives and former staff members of elected officials from lobbying jobs. It’s ridiculous that all four of Harry Reid’s sons are lobbyists.

    B) To make up for taking away that honey pot, make it possible for Congressmen to make some real money if the country does well with their leadership. I’d set up a variable comp bonus for them, which they would be eligible for five years after first being elected. The bonus would be based on the average of a set of objective measures over the previous five years — unemployment rates, stock market performance, debt as a percentage of GDP, maybe some quantifiable quality-of-life measures, etc. I think Singapore does something similar now. If you think about, it really makes no sense that we pay Congressman less than what they could make serving on a handful of corporate boards and then we are surprised when we get lousy leadership.

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  • Tommy says:

    Anonymous, 4:49 PM

    “Jews” ruining America? Jeebus that’s dumb. If anything Jews love the idea of America (a safe secular rational refuge for them against Israel under suicide bomber and Iranian siege).

    Jews certainly like the idea of a safe secular refuge. They would just prefer it have less of those disliked WASPs and evangelical white Christians and more ethnic diversity so that they can feel even safer. That is why all the major Jewish special interest groups makes immigration “reform” a high priority.

    What IS ruining America is the interests of a largely WASP elite of mid-level wealth and power in “hereditary” positions. The NPR producers, DNC staffers, WaPo writers, Greenpeace executives, assistant publishers at Knopf, etc. who are all married to each other, work in service industries or the permanent bureaucracy (CIA, Dept. of Education, etc) or the Media or various political positions or NGOs. Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson are a good example. Or that WA Senator who got a good chunk of E-Bay stock before IPO.

    You are certainly right about that. Plenty of corporate types (and farmers and small business owners and…) and white moonbats do their part to ruin America also.

    I’m curious as to what some of Steve’s readers would propose if they had a chance to redesign this country’s immigration and citizenship policy from scratch. What sort of checks would you put in place to prevent elites from overriding the will of the people on this issue?

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    All things concerning immigration would have been settled if the voters got to vote on it.

    I think various “crisises” in America are wrought by the politicians not doing what the public wants them to do.

    Immigration policy is the biggest example of this. The public does not want more immigration by a large margin, but the politicians for whatever selfish reasons do want it. So we have unhappiness.

    In the age of the internet, I wish we had a more direct democracy where people voted on many issues and ballot measures that were legally binding every six months or so. To hell with Ted Kennedy, let Joe Smith run the country.

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  • Rush hour traffic from Charlotte to the suburbs of Weddington and Waxal is horrendous these days. It will get worse. You and your children won’t be able to find greener pastures for much longer

    Jupiter

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The suburbs of Charlotte are filling up very fast. Shall we pave over everything up to Ashville and Boone? While this is happening,the southern pro-immigration consrvation biologists have reintroduced the Carloina wolf species(smaller species than the wolf population of Yellowstone)Total fucking insanity

    Post 1965 asians,muslims,africans,hindus,chinks,koreans,hmong,sikhs,hispicnics and albanians are the number one threat to the continued existence of NATIVE BORN WHITE VHRISTIAN AMERICANS and OUR AMERICA’S wildlife and biodiversity.

    Post 1965 LEGAL IMMIGRANT asian,muslim,hispicnic,african and carribean immigrants have been and continue to breed like cockroaches.

    BLOOD, SOIL, OUR AMERICA
    JUPITER

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    This is not a very complicated issue.

    The 1965 immigration reform act has brought about the racial balkanization of AMERICA at a time when resources are becomming scarcer by the year.

    This is a blueprint for violent racial conflict in the near future.

    HIGH FERTILITY LEGAL IMMIGRANT ASIANS,MUSLIMS,HISPANICS AND AFRICANS are actively participating in the economic and racial dospossession of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN population of AMERICA.

    There will be no peacefull resolution of this conflict.

    Leftist,liberals,CEOs,the Republican and Democratic parties encourage the race based politics of asians,muslims,africans carribeans and hispicnics.

    If NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS do not politically organize around their legitmate racial interests, they will experience complete economic and racial dispossession in the nation they founded and created.

    In the NYT this past summer, there was front page article in the Sunday edition about how an increasing number of NATIVE BORN WHITE MALES are unable to find a wife because of the high cost of housing and as a consequence they are dying all alone in apartments bereft of wife and children.

    This is a direct consequence of the 1965 immigration reform act which has created a situation where NATIVE BORN WHITE MALES are competing with high fertility asian,muslim,african.carribean and hispicnic males for affordable housing/breeding space.

    The consequences of the 1965 immigration reform act for NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES ARE GENOCIDAL.

    I can not overemphasize the fact that post 1965 asians, muslims,africans,hispicnics and carribeans are actively participating in the economic and racial dispossession of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION.

    The race war against the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION began with the passage of the 1965 immigration reform act.

    When there are no more places to flee to, the full-blown race war will begin.

    If left/liberal smart growth types,the Earth Firsters house burning kiddie brigades and the Dave Foreman/Michael Soule Wildlands project types have their way, the race war will begin lot sooner than expected. There will be fewer places for NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIANS to flee to.

    The first American civil War occurred after several decades of nation stress, a direct consequnce of avoiding the issue of the perpetuation of a very low wage labor economy(chattel slavery and brutal wage slavery in the northeast)

    There are no racial,cultural,environmental and linguistic reasons for asian,african,muslim,carribean and hispicnic legal immigration.

    America is quite capable of being labor self-sufficient like she was in the past.

    There is no nee to import doctors,nurses,construction workers,electricians,dry wall workers,computer programmers,engineers,x ray technicians emts paramedics babby sitters, farmworkers,truck drivers…it is a very long list.

    The whole point of this policy is to bring about the economic and racial dispossession of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION THE RACIAL GROUP THAT FOUNDED AND CREATED AMERICA.

    The point of no retrun has been reached Carol Swain, a race war is inevitable.

    The waitng list to get into Yellowstone and other great national parks has been quite long for years. Just wait when the hispicnics,carribeans,africans,muslims,sihks,hmong,chinese and koreans start going to the great national parls in large numbers, the waitng lists to get into the great national and state parks will be many orders of magnitude than they are now. It will take several decades to get into yellowstone. And when you they do allow you in, it will be quick peak and that;s it for several more decades. At some point in time, there won’t even be amenities to stave off a full-blown race.

    Numbersusa notwithstanding,immigrant bashing is justified. They are bashing US..four decades with no let up in sight.

    Jupiter

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Jews” ruining America? Jeebus that’s dumb. If anything Jews love the idea of America (a safe secular rational refuge for them against Israel under suicide bomber and Iranian siege).

    What IS ruining America is the interests of a largely WASP elite of mid-level wealth and power in “hereditary” positions. The NPR producers, DNC staffers, WaPo writers, Greenpeace executives, assistant publishers at Knopf, etc. who are all married to each other, work in service industries or the permanent bureaucracy (CIA, Dept. of Education, etc) or the Media or various political positions or NGOs. Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson are a good example. Or that WA Senator who got a good chunk of E-Bay stock before IPO.

    The interests of these people is to make America as middle class free as possible, because only then can their status improve (Steve is right about the endless pursuit of status among this class) as competition is removed.

    Note the big remove from those in engineering, technology, etc. particularly in Defense or anything else requiring competence rather than political/family connections. A drunken monkey could put out an NPR broadcast or write a WaPo story. Get a fighter plane design wrong and people die.

    If you think of the service elite as the priesthood (“Bow down to Gaia. Repent for Global Warming!”) it makes sense.

    And the patterns of what Steve calls affordable family formation is spot on. The engineering class and blue collar workers need affordable family housing and such. The Priesthood has one kid max booked off to boarding school so doesn’t need it.

    The kicker: illegal aliens and immigrants, mostly Mexican, are being priced out of the coastal places too and going to places like Topeka KS. Where crowding, crime, high taxes, PC/Multi-culturalism and La Raza (the “priesthood” loves this because it’s a tool to beat down the white middle class engineering competition) are all big issues. EVEN Dem Candidates for Pres are hearing about from their voters.

    What’s driving this pattern can be seen as a struggle between the lead in “Falling Down” (Douglas’s best role) and Brendan Fraser in Crash. And having been priced out of places like California and Texas the engineering class has nowhere left to go.

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  • It’s a pity the White Nationalists, anti semites and Neo Nazis managed to hijack a potentially interesting thread. More intelligent discussions would take place if the comments were moderated because as with money, the bad drives out the good.

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  • SFG says:

    Er, “white Israel” was tried. It was called Nazi Germany.
    It was strangled in the crib.

    You mean after they invaded Poland, France, Denmark, Holland…? Even people considered ‘Aryan’ didn’t like having their country invaded. Hitler didn’t just want to build an Aryan Germany. He wanted to conquer Europe, and quite possibly the world.

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  • Fred says:

    “Considering the anti-White pogroms in S. Africa and Zimbaubee – and the White diaspora hinted at in this article (White flight has actually been going on for years) – isn’t it time we had an Israel for White people?”

    Hate to break it to you, but if you are going to use Zimbabwe as an analogy, you’ve got everything backwards. The populist majority in Zimbabwe was the black rabble (analogous to white nationalists in America); their populist/nationalist leader was and remains Mugabe (analogous to David Duke in America); and the hated economic elite minority he railed against was the whites (analogous to the Jews in America).

    Get the picture now? It’s like a negative of the one you peckerwood WN’s see here, with the colors reversed. “Always invert!”, as Charlie Munger, Berkshire Hathaway’s vice chairman says.

    We all know how well that strategy worked out in Zimbabwe.

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  • I have not studied the statistics that Barone used but these sorts of statistics are very easy to manipulate. Are people moving completely out of the big metro-areas or are they just moving to the suburbs?

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Er, “white Israel” was tried. It was called Nazi Germany.

    It was strangled in the crib.

    Amazing how differently the history books would be written today (and I don’t mean just “in German”) had the Nazis won. “War crimes” would be converted to “heroic defense of our freedom and our peoples”…much as it was in fact converted, in the current history books.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Zimbaubee is our future, unless we turn and make a stand.

    “Professional class”? Why is the “professional class” nowadays either all jews or jew-dominated? Israel would not allow its businesses and government to become Gentile-dominated (even though Uncle Sugar props ‘em up).

    Considering the anti-White pogroms in S. Africa and Zimbaubee – and the White diaspora hinted at in this article (White flight has actually been going on for years) – isn’t it time we had an Israel for White people?

    White Israel.

    Think about it. Our own country.

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  • Josh says:

    I know Steve lived in Chicago for a while. Daley has been re-elected,for pretty obvious reasons,but…the County board,and many key posts are run by blacks,and corruption is part of Chicago,but these guys! :0 Theyre killing the city with their legalized stealing. Hi pay jobs for dopey relatives,fat contracts for “minority” firms,etc. Middle class whites are prob abandoning the county,as taxes are rising. Its turning into the usual story of a professional class presiding over a bunch of minorities…

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Note that Barone refers to coastal/blue state places consisting of a tiny sliver of the ultra wealthy riding atop a vast morass of low-IQ brown funk.

    For a concrete, visible example, the first I can think of is Palm Beach. Compare the demographics on either side of the Intercoastal.

    Let’s not kid ourselves. The tiny sliver of ultra-wealthy isn’t White. It’s jews. The vibrant brown mass of violent retardates whom they ride herd on, isn’t White. It’s – as Jupiter so charmingly phrases it – “coons” of various pedigree.

    Welcome to Brazil North.

    Normal White families are fleeing these regions because these regions are toxic to Whites and White families.

    Soon, these toxic regions will become necrotic. Like Detroit is.

    What is it with the ultra-wealthy? They hollow out the economy of every region they dominate, living incredibly large until the crash, while pushing Whites out with sheer offensiveness. Then the ultra-wealthy move on to another area, there to wreak the same result. More and more of America turns into a non-White rust belt over the years, aided by anti-discrimination laws pushed by this tiny elite minority.

    It’s almost as if that minority were…oh, I don’t know…nation-wreckers.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Economically, the present multiracial immigration flood is unsustainable politically.

    With a more or less stagnant white population and growing population of low IQ riff raff, the welfare state will no longer be economically sustainable as there will not be enough whites to prop up the system with taxes.

    Whites can flee California to Colorado and Oregon, but the Illegals and low IQ legals will just follow the whites there to stay on welfare.

    If you want to see the illegal alien birth rate drop like a rock, all that has to be done is to cut off the welfare benefits.

    Remember, that which cannot continue must come to an end.

    The big question is when the day of reckoning arrives and the big anti-immigration backlash occurs?

    Hopefully soon.

    Old Right

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  • Heck, my wife and I, when we settle down are planning to do it in Utah or Oregon or some place like that. As far as we can tell, the writing is on the wall for California. It’s only going to become more “vibrant” and “interesting” and less livable.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Some of you find my language offensive. Well, I find the race the race war being waged against the NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN POPULATION by post the post 1965 asian,muslim,hispicnic,afrtican and carribean population to be offensive.

    This race war being waged against the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN POPULATION has the full support of the left,liberals, the Reublican and Dmocratric parties and THE CORPRATION.

    After being tried and convicted of crimes against OUR AMERICA, CORPORATE CEOs and their armies of corporate lawyers should be taken out into an open field and slaughtered. Their trophy wives and daughters sold as sex slaves in Saudia Arabia and the Sudan.

    They have been the force behiind the economic and racial dispossession of THE MAJORITY NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION.

    They are the greatest evil in AMERICA. They are the greatest evil on the EARTH. They are a force of death and destruction.

    Jupiter

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  • almost every week now, i meet people who are leaving california.

    my brother is a teacher and coach at a high school in indiana and he has people like this move into his school on a regular basis.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Young NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES are in direct competition with young asia,muslim,,african and hispanic males for housing/breeding space. Rat race competition for affordable housing/breeding space is one of many the blessings of the post-1965 immigration policy.

    If the environmentalist had gotten their way, NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS would not have been able to run away from areas of the nation infested with high fertility LEGAL IMMIGRANT asians,muslims,hispanics,african and carribean coons

    If sprawl had been had been stopped ten- twenty years ago by the implementation of totalatarian smart growth proposals, there would have been a full-blown WHITE REVOLT against LEGAL IMMIGRATION ten twenty years ago. LEGAL IMMIGRATION would have been completetly shut down to 0.

    The safety valve of the AMERICAN HEARTLAND has resulted in a head on collision between NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS and AMERICA’S wildlife. There have been articles about this for at least 12 years in western state newspapers.

    Environmnetalist have 0 credibility. The whacked-out leftist Earth Firster kiddie brigades are burning down the new middle clas homes that are being built for the YOUNG NATIVE NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN MALES who are trying to start a family and perpetuate their gene-line.

    High fertility LEGAL IMMIGRANT asians,muslims,hispicnics,africans and carribean coons are the number one threat to the continued existence of the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION of AMERICA and AMERICA’s wiildlife and biodiversity.

    The NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION of AMERICA suppossedly did the right thing for the environment by bringing their fertility down to the ZPG level back in 1973.

    The left,liberal environmentalist repsonded to this drop in NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN fertility by lobbying for a massive increase in HIGH FERTILITY LEGAL IMMIGRANT asian,muslim,hispicnic,african and carribean niggger immigration.

    In other words, left,liberal environmentalist have punished NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS for doing the right thing for the environment.

    Therefor, the rational thing for NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS to do is to increase their fertility. This of course would screw up the left’s game plan of exterminating the majority NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTAN AMERICAN population.

    The resources of America are in fact very scarce. The interaction of resource scarcity with post 1965 LEGAL IMMIGRATION policy mkaes a race war inevitable.

    The point of no return has already been passed. There will be no soft landing. There aren’t enough resources to make everyone happy.

    The 1965 immigration refrom act has been a complete catastrophe for the MAJORITY NATIVE BORN WHITE CHRISTIAN POPULATION OF AMERICA.

    The only solution is to expell a large percentage of post-1965 asian,hispanic,muslim,african and carribean coon population. WE either do that or the post-1965 asian,muslim,hispicnic,african and carribean population will expell US. WE are in fact being expeled out of different areas of OUR AMERICA already.

    Jupiter

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