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    This is my 100th blog post. Upon reaching this milestone, I thought that this would be a great time to take moment to look back at my experience as a blogger in Human BioDiversity (HBD) and share my thoughts on the things to come. 1. The Beginning 2. Fertility 3. Immigration and the economy 4....
  • […] earlier posting 100 Blog Posts – Reflection on HBD Blogging and What Lies Ahead reviews the topics I’ve talked about in the beginning, including fertility trends, and health […]

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  • Following up on my three previous posts, I want to talk again about what to do with this HBD knowledge. It is now clear, or at least should be, that demographic issues drive many of our current problems. Indeed, changes in the population drive history, and these changes are the primary reasons that civilizations rise...
  • […] indicate a favor towards genocide and the extermination of peoples as a means to bettering a nation. In 2012, Ron Unz published an article on his website that advocated for using infanticide, through Planned Parenthood, to exterminate the […]

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  • Across the United States, there is a general pattern – at least among Whites – of urban dwellers tending to be more liberal and rural dwellers tending to be more conservative. Indeed, this pattern is so pronounced that Steve Sailer managed to produce a now well-known (at least in the HBD-sphere) hypothesis of White American...
  • Wouldn’t the German portion of Texas be another one of these pockets?

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  • To demonstrate a point that I have asserted at various points – a point that tends to be often indirectly hinted at in the blogosphere and only occasionally stately concretely, I again avail to maps to tell a tale. First, I'll start with a previously featured map of fertility rates across Europe: This is a...
  • That’s a good post.

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  • Post edited (12/10/12). See below! Commenter szopeno once noted that if you ask women what their ideal family size is, you will get an average of about 2.1-2.5 children (trending towards the low side in Western world). As previously discussed here, the decline in fertility among Whites in America is primarily among liberals, with White...
  • […] As I detailed in my post The Rise of Universalism, the universalist behavior of Northwestern Europeans is a natural consequence of their special flavor of reciprocal altruism, which is not strictly kin-centric and views all people (indeed, often non-humans as well) as potential recipients for sympathy. In that post, I explain how modern technology led to an inevitable increase in universalism among Northwestern Europeans – that runaway universalism was inevitable. Clearly an inherited phenotype can’t be a pathology when it is possessed by sizable fractions of the populations under consideration. Rather universalist sentiment is a feature, not a bug (or more accurately, it is the result of a feature).  It’s not even clear that such traits even have a direct negative fitness impact, as it’s not yet been established that such individuals aren’t the most fertile in these countries (though it appears to be presently deleterious in the United States). […]

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  • Across the United States, there is a general pattern – at least among Whites – of urban dwellers tending to be more liberal and rural dwellers tending to be more conservative. Indeed, this pattern is so pronounced that Steve Sailer managed to produce a now well-known (at least in the HBD-sphere) hypothesis of White American...
  • @Staffan
    Swedes are highly conformist, much more so than Norwegians. Many rooted for the Nazis when they looked as if they might win but then abruptly shifted to democratic socialism after the war.

    Swedes (as well as Germans) are also heavy drinkers and Norwegians are teetotalers. A big split in the American Lutheran Church happened because of Norwegian American support for prohibition as opposed to German and Swedish Lutherans who did not support it.

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  • There has been a lot of discussion in the blogosphere as of late as to whether the "cads"—i.e., low paternal investment, promiscuous (and often low-IQ) men were siring more children than "dads"—high paternal investment, monogamous, high-IQ men. While I and others have produced some evidence (primarily from the GSS) that tenuously indicates that this is...
  • Isn’t this just common sense? The lower the IQ the easier they are to seduce. Probably a truism throughout history.

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  • Updated 8/28/12: See below! As I've discussed previously, the low White fertility rate seen in America today stems mostly from liberals. This is because liberals contain a higher share of secular individuals and because liberal women pursue more education on average, which leads them to delay child birth (and often marriage as well). I have...
  • Now that the blogosphere has discovered my finding that conservatives are outbreeding liberals by a rather large margin, many have taken it as a reason to rejoice. The genes for "pathological altruism" (which are a feature of the special evolutionary path that Northwestern Europeans have undertaken, which seems to result in such traits), which gives...
  • […] neoliberals and SJWs are already genetic dead-ends. Reproduction is a genetic arms race. They have lost. Anti-natal policies will do that. When evolutionary pressures come back into play […]

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  • Post edited (12/10/12). See below! Commenter szopeno once noted that if you ask women what their ideal family size is, you will get an average of about 2.1-2.5 children (trending towards the low side in Western world). As previously discussed here, the decline in fertility among Whites in America is primarily among liberals, with White...
  • […] the rest of the healthy population are not afflicted with and I believe this might explain their low fertility rates, a sense of unworthiness (correct and fine by […]

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  • Updated 8/28/12: See below! As I've discussed previously, the low White fertility rate seen in America today stems mostly from liberals. This is because liberals contain a higher share of secular individuals and because liberal women pursue more education on average, which leads them to delay child birth (and often marriage as well). I have...
  • Post edited (12/10/12). See below! Commenter szopeno once noted that if you ask women what their ideal family size is, you will get an average of about 2.1-2.5 children (trending towards the low side in Western world). As previously discussed here, the decline in fertility among Whites in America is primarily among liberals, with White...
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  • Continuing my ongoing investigation into fertility, I wanted to take another look at who's having children. This post will look at fertility from a different angle: the spread in fertility by sex, IQ, political orientation, and education. I was prompted to this by a recent article describing parenthood in Norway. It found that a fifth...
  • @Yudi
    Like the poster above, I think issues of social power are not coming into this analysis enough. Why does everyone have to be educated these days? To please their employers. Why do women go to college? Because female-dominated jobs that don't require a college degree are very low-paying (nannies, etc.). And yes, the debt burden that college graduates labor under is crushing, and not conducive to risk-taking of any kind.

    Furthermore, general economic and labor-market trends are terrible and don't seem to be improving for most people. Many college graduates are stuck in menial labor and can hardly pay their debts as it is. It doesn't take a genius to see that all of these things will put severe downward pressure on the fertility of high-IQ, highly conscientious people (but not that of low-IQ/unconscientious people, who have much more of a "what, happens, happens" outlook).

    The elites really have us by the balls. Not only have they successfully pushed multiculturalism and mass immigration on us, their financial polices and the inequality they have created are crushing the fertility of high-IQ people. Also, as a result of those policies, vastly more people are going to college and being exposed to Cathedral indoctrination with little to show for it. And there is no end in sight. I wonder if you could address this social power aspect of the problem in your "HBD and Society" series? It's certainly one thing that a broad awareness of HBD might change.

    You’ve got it Hudi. All these financial and education realities are making childbearing all but a pipe dream for ambitious, moral and achievement-oriented young people of the lower-middle and middle class. Those whose parents paid the costs of their education can have children and those who never went to college can have children. We really are becoming a bottom heavy society – all breeding done at the lowest levels with a bit at the top – and again, it is the middle class which suffers. Society does too.

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  • To demonstrate a point that I have asserted at various points – a point that tends to be often indirectly hinted at in the blogosphere and only occasionally stately concretely, I again avail to maps to tell a tale. First, I'll start with a previously featured map of fertility rates across Europe: This is a...
  • […] as we’ve previous seen, can strongly affect fertility – see Another Tale of Two Maps and A Tale of Three Maps) – while clearly being not as good as during the Baby Boom – were not particularly bad, nor […]

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  • As I've posted elsewhere, I wanted to demonstrate here the strong inverse relationship that exists between population density and fertility rates. As before, this is best done graphically (from Eurostat): As can be seen here, with a few exceptions (particularly the Low Countries and the UK), there is a strong inverse relationship between population density...
  • […] Economic conditions (which, as we’ve previous seen, can strongly affect fertility – see Another Tale of Two Maps and A Tale of Three Maps) – while clearly being not as good as during the Baby Boom – were not […]

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  • […] It’s general trope in the HBD community: people are getting dumber. The low IQ are outbreeding the high IQ, leading to a slow decline in genetic intellectual potential in the population. Indeed, my own analyses seem to have shown that there was a fair fertility advantage among the lower IQ over the higher IQ (seen most recently in my post Who’s Having the Babies?): […]

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  • Edit, 10/26/12: I've added a table of contents, to make navigating through this long post easier! Unlike the vast majority of HBD'ers, I lean to the political Left on a variety of issues. The primary reason for this is that most of the stuff that comes out of mainstream conservatives in America is utter insanity....
  • Ireland’s fertility rate has been falling. I see one source gives it as 2.01 for 2013:

    http://www.indexmundi.com/ireland/total_fertility_rate.html

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  • This post is meant to serve as a prod to certain of my smart liberal friends to start having children. It will come as no big surprise to my long time readers. The 2012 General Social Survey (GSS) results have been released. I decided to take a quick look to see if certain trends were...
  • I suspect ‘liberal’ isn’t the core issue, but that feminism is. Obviously the quest for gender equality leads to a situation in which the man is supposed to not pursuit his career a 100% but to take time of to take care of kids and the household. The open minded men probably agree with this in principle….but…when they think a little longer they realize that they really don’t like to do it…because it goes against their instincts, they’re men. So they make up all kinds of reasons why it is not the time to have kids yet. They just don’t want to face the fact that the only ‘solution’ to their aversion to being tortured by having to take care of little children is to have a traditional marriage because that would get into trouble with their spouse.

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  • Across the United States, there is a general pattern – at least among Whites – of urban dwellers tending to be more liberal and rural dwellers tending to be more conservative. Indeed, this pattern is so pronounced that Steve Sailer managed to produce a now well-known (at least in the HBD-sphere) hypothesis of White American...
  • […] does appear to be heavily German. Yet it is thoroughly red. Indeed, as we saw in my earlier post Rural White Liberals – a Key to Understanding the Political Divide, I noted that the Plains are the area where Steve Sailer’s “affordable family […]

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  • Rob says:
    @imnobody
    This won't work, because it's not rational. If you are an atheist, why should you worry about what happens after you die? Why should you slave yourself trying to raise more kids only for you great-grandchildren not to be in a more religious world? Life is short and you won't even know your great-grandchildren.

    What that your great-grand children share your DNA? Big deal. Only 12.5%. Give some few generations more and "your line" will barely genetically related to you. And why should you sacrifice your entire life for a guy you won't even know and has, say, 3% of your DNA. There are many people right now who share this percentage of DNA with you. There are called "distant relatives". And let's be honest: you don't give a damn about them.

    Furthermore, what if predictions are not fulfilled? I am old enough to remember lots of catastrophic predictions that never came true. Nuclear harmageddon, ozone layer disappearing (it has regenerated since then), Japan becoming the first economy in the world and so on and so forth. A prediction is based on a extrapolation, that is to say, it assumes that current trends remain well into the future. But the future is full of surprises. When I was young, I never expected the Soviet Union to disappear in some few months. I never expected that Muslim countries, such as Algeria or Iran, could have below-replacement fertility.

    So why should you waste your short life in order to prevent a future danger that you won't live and that maybe never happens? This is NOT rational at all and most liberals won't buy it and rightly so.

    If you have an atheist worldview, your only rational strategy is to enjoy the day, make the most of your life. You pride yourself in being a scientist so I assume you get that being rational is the way to go. But, from a rational point of view, your post does not make any sense. No mean to offend, mind you.

    This is a strange “straw vulcan” perspective on rationality.

    Rationality is not a synonym for selfishness – An irrational belief is at odds with the evidence. An irrational action is at odds with producing likely outcomes that you value. An irrational value is… not a coherent concept. In other words you can believe something irrationally, you can do something irrationally, but you can’t *want* something irrationally, provided it is at least coherent. I want the future world to be a good one, even if I don’t get to see it, and that isn’t irrational.

    Do you genuinely model religious people as thinking “Oh I’ll do this good thing, even though the outcome will happen after I die, because I’ll be able to watch the outcome from heaven and feel happy about it then”? That the only reason for it is your own personal enjoyment decades from now in the afterlife? I don’t think religious people think that way at all, I think they think “I’ll do this because it’s a good thing, even though I won’t see the outcome, because I know it’s a good thing to do and that makes me happy now”. And I think atheists think in the exact same way.

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  • This is my 100th blog post. Upon reaching this milestone, I thought that this would be a great time to take moment to look back at my experience as a blogger in Human BioDiversity (HBD) and share my thoughts on the things to come. 1. The Beginning 2. Fertility 3. Immigration and the economy 4....
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  • Continuing my ongoing investigation into fertility, I wanted to take another look at who's having children. This post will look at fertility from a different angle: the spread in fertility by sex, IQ, political orientation, and education. I was prompted to this by a recent article describing parenthood in Norway. It found that a fifth...
  • […] Who’s Having the Babies? – Also my fertility series, I examine in detail the frequency break down of White American liberal […]

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  • Post edited (12/10/12). See below! Commenter szopeno once noted that if you ask women what their ideal family size is, you will get an average of about 2.1-2.5 children (trending towards the low side in Western world). As previously discussed here, the decline in fertility among Whites in America is primarily among liberals, with White...
  • […] 9. Expectations and reality: a window into the liberal-conservative baby gap – As part of my series on fertility rates, I investigate the persistent (since the middle of the 20th century) fertility gap between White liberals and White conservatives in the United States. I examine whether this may be attributed to liberals wanting fewer children. I find that while there does seem to be a gap between the ideal family size between liberals and conservatives, it is often small. Quite commonly, liberals seem to fail to realize their ideal number of children. Also notes that fertility gaps can be correlated to personality, particularly the trait openness to experience. […]

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  • @Hindu Observer
    I'm a global citizen. Everywhere I go I see women from traditional, patriarchal cultures, when given the chance to make decisions about it, always choose to have less children but raise them with more quality than their grandmothers who had more children but raised with with less quality. I'm talking "quality" here in terms of resources, education, healthcare, etc, not "quality of love".

    Women from poor regions with little or no access to quality heathcare will generally always opt to limit their offspring to just a few kids, if presented with the knowledge, resources and oppurtunity to do that. However they will not opt for no kids. Very, very few women and men would opt for that, no matter how poor. That is because they are culturally very family oriented.

    People from Northern and Western European backgrounds however are not culturally family oriented. At least no where to the degree of everyone else. That is why you see in the US so many people opting out of having kids altogether.

    As mentioned by someone else before, biology may inform culture. If that is the case, then there is something in the very biology of Northern and Western European "stock" that is essentially anti-family.

    I have long sensed this in my travels around the world and dealings with people. I'm interested to see if science will ever verify my hypothesis that Northern and Western European stock folk just ain't into family - from their core being.

    Women who have 2 children and work full time spend less one on one time with them than a woman with many children who stay at home.

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    Interesting. I’ve recently become pretty fascinated by all this. What you don’t know is that Norway has a large libertarianist party with a bent towards professionals and smart craftspeople/small business and they breed like bunnies. They’re all for tolerance, drug legalization, LGBT and so on, but I find that typically they’re pretty straight-laced and common-sense personally.

    So I think you need to separate the libertarians out. They have a conscious goal to have more kids but are still an outlier so they confound these studies IMHO. For example, they value education AND having larger families of 3 or up, attract higher IQ while not attracting no low-end average IQ’s. Also, they’re now a world culture (most are in Asia) since their leader got them on track back in the early 70′s ( he has 4 kids, I think, and very high IQ; and his wife is very bright). They’re specifically dedicated to a robot-run economy of leisure ( See http://www.libertarianinternational.org ) and are organizing the Highest IQ.

    I was recently at a conference and they were joking that they would prevail because ‘at this rate’ they’ll be the last ones left who could still read and had more kids.

    Also, 115 IQ isn’t low. It’s over the average and 5-7 points above the preferred minimum for college-level work.

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  • Commenter redzengenoist has brought to my attention that in his homeland of Denmark, policy seems to have accomplished two rather remarkable feats: Fertility among non-Western immigrant women (primarily Muslims) is down to 1.88 children/child-bearing woman, from a high of 3.4. And, more importantly, the fertility rate among educated Danish women has nearly caught up to...
  • @pwyll
    New evidence of Danes taking a proactive approach to fertility: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-2590585/Do-Denmark-Hilarious-travel-video-calls-couples-sex-boost-countrys-population.html

    Funny. I’m pretty certain low fertility isn’t because people aren’t having sex…

    Thanks for that!

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    @pwyll:

    Funny. I'm pretty certain low fertility isn't because people aren't having sex...

    Thanks for that!

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  • @melendwyr
    Why should I bemoan the absence of children among blank-slatists? I don't care what someone's IQ is if their judgment is so poor that they adhere to such a ridiculous belief.

    Those same people (or people among them) created the Enlightenment. Yes, they have their limitations but they are unique and valuable in terms of not only IQ but also creative and civic-minded thinking. Others may eventually take their place but that could take centuries, or not happen at all. Look at the world outside Northwest Europe and its descendants – that’s what you’d be left with if they left the gene pool. So let’s not throw out the baby (the WEIRD liberal) with the bathwater (the Blank Slate and similar flawed ideas).

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  • @Staffan
    Also, many of these liberals are still blank slatists who believe that it doesn't make any difference if they leave it to others to have children in their place. Some even think immigration is the solution. I think it would be easier to offer low-IQ people money for sterilization.

    Why should I bemoan the absence of children among blank-slatists? I don’t care what someone’s IQ is if their judgment is so poor that they adhere to such a ridiculous belief.

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    Those same people (or people among them) created the Enlightenment. Yes, they have their limitations but they are unique and valuable in terms of not only IQ but also creative and civic-minded thinking. Others may eventually take their place but that could take centuries, or not happen at all. Look at the world outside Northwest Europe and its descendants - that's what you'd be left with if they left the gene pool. So let's not throw out the baby (the WEIRD liberal) with the bathwater (the Blank Slate and similar flawed ideas).
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  • Across the United States, there is a general pattern – at least among Whites – of urban dwellers tending to be more liberal and rural dwellers tending to be more conservative. Indeed, this pattern is so pronounced that Steve Sailer managed to produce a now well-known (at least in the HBD-sphere) hypothesis of White American...
  • […] You know something is strange when the descendants of Scandinavian immigrants in America are practicing a variant of Jante Law multiple generations after the first stock of founding immigrants — long after they have forgotten how to speak Swedish or Danish or whatever. It might even make you wonder sometime. Why haven’t the corrupt institutions of America polluted them yet? [See Maps of the American Nations and Rural White Liberals – a Key to Understanding the Political Divide] […]

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  • To demonstrate a point that I have asserted at various points – a point that tends to be often indirectly hinted at in the blogosphere and only occasionally stately concretely, I again avail to maps to tell a tale. First, I'll start with a previously featured map of fertility rates across Europe: This is a...
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  • Across the United States, there is a general pattern – at least among Whites – of urban dwellers tending to be more liberal and rural dwellers tending to be more conservative. Indeed, this pattern is so pronounced that Steve Sailer managed to produce a now well-known (at least in the HBD-sphere) hypothesis of White American...
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  • This is my 100th blog post. Upon reaching this milestone, I thought that this would be a great time to take moment to look back at my experience as a blogger in Human BioDiversity (HBD) and share my thoughts on the things to come. 1. The Beginning 2. Fertility 3. Immigration and the economy 4....
  • @Aum
    "It turns out that parenting doesn’t matter as much as we think. Indeed, short of extreme abuse or neglect, parents don’t affect how their children turn much at all. This includes not only children’s intelligence or their broad personality traits, but their life outcomes (including the things that “really” matter), like how much they earn, or whether or not they get in trouble with the law. This even includes how fat or thin they become, as was the subject of my second post (Should Parents Lose Custody of Obese Kids?). It also doesn’t matter if they grow up with a father present or with a single mother. It doesn’t matter if their parents are gay or straight. All those things are symptoms, of the true causes, not causes in themselves (the true cause being heredity)."

    - OK. Since you've got a kid now yourself, Jayman, why not test this all out? Don't abuse or neglect him, but don't do much in the way of guidance or education either. No taking him to museums or science centers. You don't even have to enroll him in school. Too much input after all. Just teach him very basic reading, writing and arithmetic, up to a minimal functional level. When he's a teen do not, I repeat do not, attempt to teach him any ethics around sexuality. We'll all check back on the experiment right here on this blog in the year 2034.

    You game?

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  • “It turns out that parenting doesn’t matter as much as we think. Indeed, short of extreme abuse or neglect, parents don’t affect how their children turn much at all. This includes not only children’s intelligence or their broad personality traits, but their life outcomes (including the things that “really” matter), like how much they earn, or whether or not they get in trouble with the law. This even includes how fat or thin they become, as was the subject of my second post (Should Parents Lose Custody of Obese Kids?). It also doesn’t matter if they grow up with a father present or with a single mother. It doesn’t matter if their parents are gay or straight. All those things are symptoms, of the true causes, not causes in themselves (the true cause being heredity).”

    - OK. Since you’ve got a kid now yourself, Jayman, why not test this all out? Don’t abuse or neglect him, but don’t do much in the way of guidance or education either. No taking him to museums or science centers. You don’t even have to enroll him in school. Too much input after all. Just teach him very basic reading, writing and arithmetic, up to a minimal functional level. When he’s a teen do not, I repeat do not, attempt to teach him any ethics around sexuality. We’ll all check back on the experiment right here on this blog in the year 2034.

    You game?

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    Will flouride lower your baby's IQ?

    http://themindunleashed.org/2014/02/harvard-study-confirms-fluoride-reduces-childrens-iq.html

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  • Commenter redzengenoist has brought to my attention that in his homeland of Denmark, policy seems to have accomplished two rather remarkable feats: Fertility among non-Western immigrant women (primarily Muslims) is down to 1.88 children/child-bearing woman, from a high of 3.4. And, more importantly, the fertility rate among educated Danish women has nearly caught up to...
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  • Edit, 10/26/12: I've added a table of contents, to make navigating through this long post easier! Unlike the vast majority of HBD'ers, I lean to the political Left on a variety of issues. The primary reason for this is that most of the stuff that comes out of mainstream conservatives in America is utter insanity....
  • @Alexander Stanislaw
    High IQ individuals are much better for society than low IQ people are bad. The positive contribution to society that a great scientist provides is way more than the drain on society that a person on welfare causes. Even if there were twice as many people the US with an IQ < 75 their drain on society would be substantial but technological progress would march on at rate not so much lower than the present since there would still be just as many scientists, engineers and entrepreneurs.

    This is pretty critical, reducing the fertility rate of immigrants and low IQ people is fine but if you can't simultaneously boost the fertility rate of high IQ people it won't do society much good. That second step is ridiculously hard and I don't know how to solve it. The problem is that for a high IQ individual, the opportunity cost of having a child is enormous. Even if having a child was free, you still have to give up a very large amount of earning potential to have one.

    Oh, I see you dealt with this by pointing out that in the absence of immigration, the population shrinks leading to lower housing costs which boosts fertility.

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  • […] we’ve seen in my earlier post on the matter (Rural White Liberals – a Key to Understanding the Political Divide), significant regional differences in the White American vote exists. Particularly, there is a […]

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  • Now that the blogosphere has discovered my finding that conservatives are outbreeding liberals by a rather large margin, many have taken it as a reason to rejoice. The genes for "pathological altruism" (which are a feature of the special evolutionary path that Northwestern Europeans have undertaken, which seems to result in such traits), which gives...
  • “Now, at this point, I know one criticism that will be leveled at me is that the increase in the non-White share of the population will make it unlikely that Republicans will be able to capture the presidency, as was the main rant after the last election. However, I think it’s unclear if that will be the case. ”

    “However, it’s my suspicion that the non-White vote that buttresses the Democrats can only hold out so long against an increasingly Right-leaning White populace.”

    Why? Non-white fertility rates project to be higher than white ones well in to the period when the US becomes a majority-minority country.

    Plus, another key issue is the proportion of children who become more liberal than their parents vs. more conservative. Certainly on social issues, there has been more of a shift left than right when you go down through the generations since WWII.

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  • @esinke
    Very Interesting. I see it all the time, but I can give you my theory. Males always have to be attractive for females in order for there to be offspring. Before the advent of our technological era, physical strength meant protection from danger for women.The trade-off was having children. Most of these women (ultra-liberals) through-out the centuries were persuasive and very intelligent. They would disseminate gossip in order to get with the man that they wanted, in order to live a life of luxuries (whether a king, or a vassal, etc) Children came somewhat second, but it was instinct to take care of your children, who represent a part of you. Normal women on the other hand (the ones who really love men and company and a family and are not so interested in luxuries) were more plentiful in the past, since men would prefer to be with a woman such as this, than than with a smart woman who might actually plot against him in the future. None-the-less, at the beginning of the 18th century, the Industrial Revolution begun, and our way of life began to really kick off, population began to explode, and this was a perfect breeding ground for intelligent women, in order for them to survive and attain luxuries (there were many more men who had new innovative manual jobs.) However, now came the technological era, in which women can now work and make their own money. There is no need for these women to have men, since all they really care about is luxury and their own well being. There is no more "children" trade off. We are living in the last centuries of these intelligent women, who will cease to exist in a mere 10 generations, since they compete with men (instead of working with them) in order to take care of themselves. The selective trait that will survive in the future, is that of the "conservative" (genetically) woman, or rather, women who instinctively need a man (or company) just to not kill themselves out of loneliness. We are not in an era where brute force is no longer necessary, Men always have to be a bit stronger (or better) than women, if the human race is to survive. Therefore, since brute strength is no longer a quality that matters, it is through intelligence that man kind will survive. Therefore, we need to figure out what the balance is. Whatever the balance was in terms of the work output of men vs women in the past (which we can measure economically now) in brute strength, we must now measure in mental ability... it is very likely that in the future, in order for humans to survive, women will have to be so dumb that they won't even know how to set an alarm clock... since they will be impressed with the way that a man can set it, and therefore, have children with him. (Women ALWAYS need to be impressed with a man... never the opposite... that's just science.)

    Sorry, a few typos. “We are IN an era where brute force is no longer necessary.”

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  • Very Interesting. I see it all the time, but I can give you my theory. Males always have to be attractive for females in order for there to be offspring. Before the advent of our technological era, physical strength meant protection from danger for women.The trade-off was having children. Most of these women (ultra-liberals) through-out the centuries were persuasive and very intelligent. They would disseminate gossip in order to get with the man that they wanted, in order to live a life of luxuries (whether a king, or a vassal, etc) Children came somewhat second, but it was instinct to take care of your children, who represent a part of you. Normal women on the other hand (the ones who really love men and company and a family and are not so interested in luxuries) were more plentiful in the past, since men would prefer to be with a woman such as this, than than with a smart woman who might actually plot against him in the future. None-the-less, at the beginning of the 18th century, the Industrial Revolution begun, and our way of life began to really kick off, population began to explode, and this was a perfect breeding ground for intelligent women, in order for them to survive and attain luxuries (there were many more men who had new innovative manual jobs.) However, now came the technological era, in which women can now work and make their own money. There is no need for these women to have men, since all they really care about is luxury and their own well being. There is no more “children” trade off. We are living in the last centuries of these intelligent women, who will cease to exist in a mere 10 generations, since they compete with men (instead of working with them) in order to take care of themselves. The selective trait that will survive in the future, is that of the “conservative” (genetically) woman, or rather, women who instinctively need a man (or company) just to not kill themselves out of loneliness. We are not in an era where brute force is no longer necessary, Men always have to be a bit stronger (or better) than women, if the human race is to survive. Therefore, since brute strength is no longer a quality that matters, it is through intelligence that man kind will survive. Therefore, we need to figure out what the balance is. Whatever the balance was in terms of the work output of men vs women in the past (which we can measure economically now) in brute strength, we must now measure in mental ability… it is very likely that in the future, in order for humans to survive, women will have to be so dumb that they won’t even know how to set an alarm clock… since they will be impressed with the way that a man can set it, and therefore, have children with him. (Women ALWAYS need to be impressed with a man… never the opposite… that’s just science.)

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  • Couple of points.

    1. Technical. I don’t think the survey methods (due to their biases and limitations) are capable of small scale resolution of fertility – indeed, I don’t think we ever can know this. In other words we cannot in practice confidently distinguish between mildly-eugenic, neutral and mildly-dysgenic fertility. This is exacerbated by the fact that these are changing pretty rapidly over time – so the current situation is always inaccessible. I think we can only be confident about extremes of positive and negative fertility.

    2. “Now, while sample sizes across the board are generally small, we see an interesting pattern. As the previous data breaking down fertility by IQ and by sex show, fertility is dysgenic for women and roughly neutral for men by IQ. ”

    Yes, at least wrt women – but overall if we look at human history there is underlying a strongly dysgenic pattern in reproductive success increasing over the past 200 years – which is partly differential fertility, and partly differential mortality: i.e. RS is a product of births and deaths.

    In the past (in complex agrarian societies) all classes and groups has positive fertility, but groups with the lowest intelligence and conscientiousness had nearly 100 percent child mortality.

    Now that child mortality has been functionally abolished (so low as to make little difference in most of the world, and so low as not to prevent population growth even in the very poorest parts of the world – such that the groups with the highest child mortality are also the groups with the highest reproductive success) there is a truly massive underlying dysgenic effect – with literally billions of deleterious-mutation-carrying children surviving to reproduce, who would have died before maturity in all previous societies.

    The load of deleterious mutations in the human gene pool *must* be increasing incrementally, generation upon generation.

    So change in differential fertility over the past 200 years is one cause of dysgenesis, but changes in differential child mortality over this period are likely to be even more important.

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  • This is my 100th blog post. Upon reaching this milestone, I thought that this would be a great time to take moment to look back at my experience as a blogger in Human BioDiversity (HBD) and share my thoughts on the things to come. 1. The Beginning 2. Fertility 3. Immigration and the economy 4....
  • […] especially racial differences in such – but with other topics (see my previous milestone post, 100 Blog Posts – A Reflection on HBD Blogging And What Lies Ahead and my American nations series). In any case, I discuss the facts as they […]

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  • Across the United States, there is a general pattern – at least among Whites – of urban dwellers tending to be more liberal and rural dwellers tending to be more conservative. Indeed, this pattern is so pronounced that Steve Sailer managed to produce a now well-known (at least in the HBD-sphere) hypothesis of White American...
  • […] Of course, had RR been following along here, he would have noticed that I have discussed more than a few unflattering characteristics about “Northern Europeans” (specifically Northwest Europeans and their descendants). See An HBD Summary of the Foundations of Modern Civilization, How Inbred are Europeans, and Rural White Liberals – a Key to Understanding the Political Divide. […]

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  • @asdf
    Isn't the upper Midwest a bit of a swing region. I think Sailers whole "keep republicans relevant another cycle or two" strategy involved going after white voters in those regions. They are still swing states.

    As per Audacious Epigone, by Whites only, western Yankeedom (the Upper Midwest) would be a swing region, since its White population did vote Republican in 2012 (but not in 2008). However, when you factor in the non-White population, those areas are solidly Democrat. Republicans don’t have a chance appealing to the Yankee areas.

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  • Edit, 10/26/12: I've added a table of contents, to make navigating through this long post easier! Unlike the vast majority of HBD'ers, I lean to the political Left on a variety of issues. The primary reason for this is that most of the stuff that comes out of mainstream conservatives in America is utter insanity....
  • @Anonymous
    just... awesome blog. awesome.

    Thank you!

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  • just… awesome blog. awesome.

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  • High IQ individuals are much better for society than low IQ people are bad. The positive contribution to society that a great scientist provides is way more than the drain on society that a person on welfare causes. Even if there were twice as many people the US with an IQ < 75 their drain on society would be substantial but technological progress would march on at rate not so much lower than the present since there would still be just as many scientists, engineers and entrepreneurs.

    This is pretty critical, reducing the fertility rate of immigrants and low IQ people is fine but if you can't simultaneously boost the fertility rate of high IQ people it won't do society much good. That second step is ridiculously hard and I don't know how to solve it. The problem is that for a high IQ individual, the opportunity cost of having a child is enormous. Even if having a child was free, you still have to give up a very large amount of earning potential to have one.

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    Oh, I see you dealt with this by pointing out that in the absence of immigration, the population shrinks leading to lower housing costs which boosts fertility.
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  • @Anonymous
    Ronald Reagan came from not far from the Midlands region of the Midwest, from Dixon, Illinois. He probably is the most prominent representative who exemplifies the temperament of the region. There were some utopian communities setup in that part of the country, such as the Amana one in Iowa, so those might have been liberal-minded, after a fashion. However, I would hazard a guess that the only real reason why some Democratic voters have remained in such parts--for now--would relate back to the fact that a tidal wave of sea change has been rearing up from the South, and will continue well North. Remember when the "Solid South" meant Democratic?

    That’s because the southern racists joined the GOP.

    That tidal wave is confine to the south because the whites up north come from a different culture. Have you noticed that the GOP has been losing (not gaining) seats in the north since a generation ago?

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  • Isn’t the upper Midwest a bit of a swing region. I think Sailers whole “keep republicans relevant another cycle or two” strategy involved going after white voters in those regions. They are still swing states.

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    @asdf:

    As per Audacious Epigone, by Whites only, western Yankeedom (the Upper Midwest) would be a swing region, since its White population did vote Republican in 2012 (but not in 2008). However, when you factor in the non-White population, those areas are solidly Democrat. Republicans don't have a chance appealing to the Yankee areas.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ronald Reagan came from not far from the Midlands region of the Midwest, from Dixon, Illinois. He probably is the most prominent representative who exemplifies the temperament of the region. There were some utopian communities setup in that part of the country, such as the Amana one in Iowa, so those might have been liberal-minded, after a fashion. However, I would hazard a guess that the only real reason why some Democratic voters have remained in such parts–for now–would relate back to the fact that a tidal wave of sea change has been rearing up from the South, and will continue well North. Remember when the “Solid South” meant Democratic?

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    That's because the southern racists joined the GOP.

    That tidal wave is confine to the south because the whites up north come from a different culture. Have you noticed that the GOP has been losing (not gaining) seats in the north since a generation ago?

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  • @Anonymous
    You have to consider what words like "liberal" and "conservative" mean. You say you are liberal, but most liberals, I believe, would disagree. There are three main "political" issues that I look at when talking about the the left-right divide. There is the divide between "nationalists" and "internationalists." There is the divide between cultural liberals and cultural conservatives on attitudes toward sex and marriage. And then there is economics. Which one of those things is not like the other? A feminist who wants a society where women will be promiscuous wants that because THAT is her utopia. A conservative who believes in traditional marriage wants that because THAT is her utopia. The feminist and the traditional conservative want radically different ends. In contrast, most fiscal conservatives and fiscal socialists honestly believe that their system will help the poor better. They disagree on the means, but they agree on the ends. I could easily see middle Americans embracing a socialist system if they think it would help them. I don't think fiscal conservatism is programmed into them.

    “I could easily see middle Americans embracing a socialist system if they think it would help them.”

    I think you make an interesting point. Look at the Progressive era. Look at William Jennings Bryan, George Norris, and Henry A. Wallace. Look at the prairie populism during the depression that produced the only socialist banking system in the US (The Bank of North Dakota). I think ‘middle America’ will always be a bit socially conservative. Economic conservatism, on the other hand, does not have a lock on the region.

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    You have to consider what words like “liberal” and “conservative” mean. You say you are liberal, but most liberals, I believe, would disagree. There are three main “political” issues that I look at when talking about the the left-right divide. There is the divide between “nationalists” and “internationalists.” There is the divide between cultural liberals and cultural conservatives on attitudes toward sex and marriage. And then there is economics. Which one of those things is not like the other? A feminist who wants a society where women will be promiscuous wants that because THAT is her utopia. A conservative who believes in traditional marriage wants that because THAT is her utopia. The feminist and the traditional conservative want radically different ends. In contrast, most fiscal conservatives and fiscal socialists honestly believe that their system will help the poor better. They disagree on the means, but they agree on the ends. I could easily see middle Americans embracing a socialist system if they think it would help them. I don’t think fiscal conservatism is programmed into them.

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    "I could easily see middle Americans embracing a socialist system if they think it would help them."

    I think you make an interesting point. Look at the Progressive era. Look at William Jennings Bryan, George Norris, and Henry A. Wallace. Look at the prairie populism during the depression that produced the only socialist banking system in the US (The Bank of North Dakota). I think 'middle America' will always be a bit socially conservative. Economic conservatism, on the other hand, does not have a lock on the region.

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  • @The Man Who Was . . .
    I took a look at the counties in the Dakotas and Minnesota that went either Republican or Democratics in the last few presidential elections.

    Counties in the Dakotas that tended to go Democratic in a presidential election were either:
    1. Heavily Norwegian
    2. Had a large Amerindian population.

    Counties in the Dakotas that went Republican tended to have a large German population.

    Counties in Minnesota that tended to go Democratic in a presidential election were either:
    1. Heavily Norwegian
    2. Had a large Amerindian population.
    3. Had a very diverse population, particularly in the Twin Cities area, but also places like Deluth.

    Counties in Minnesota that went Republican tended to have a large German population.

    Surprisingly, in neither place did Swedes make much of a difference.

    Interesting, but remember we can’t take self-reported ancestry too seriously. It’s best thought of as a broad guide and that’s it.

    That said, one does have to wonder if Scandinavian genes are contributing to the liberalism of the area. It would seem to break down in western North Dakota (heavily self-reported Norwegian), but then we have the self-report problem again.

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  • @Staffan
    I'm guessing it might be like in Scandinavian countries where the overwhelming majority are liberal, so even when the most liberal leave for the city there is no dramatic change. We don't have any conservative rednecks.

    It might also be a matter of climate. I'm toying with the idea that sun people have evolved a pathogen avoidance along with the conservatism that is so clearly a part of it. Perhaps the climate contributes in a short-term as well in that it might trigger this avoidance. There is a rough correspondence between Big Five conscientiousness and heat index (heat and humidity) in America. I'd love to see some state-level stats on Haidt's Purity foundation since that would be a more direct measure than conscientiousness, but I haven't found anything so far.

    Good points.

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  • @Ivar
    I have family in both the really blue part of Iowa and the really red part of Nebraska, so this is a bit anecdotal. I'd probably second the notion that Scandinavian ancestry seems to be a factor in how 'community minded' someone is. (I've joked that you can guess someone's political party here in Omaha by whether a person's name ends in “-sen”, but that's probably not accurate.) It's hard to say what effect German ancestry might have. Honestly, I've never met anyone around here who's full-blooded German without a bit of Danish or Swede or Scots in them. Everyone's a mutt around here, many times over. So self-reported ancestry can be a bit tricky. Another complication is that most of the German culture of the Great Plains is Volga German, which is something totally different. The Worst Hard Time has a good bit on how they imported a frontier spirit forged on the Russian steppes onto the American prairie. You know that tumblin' tumbleweed? That's Russian thistle, brought by those crafty Germans from Russia. Their sociopolitical orientation was mostly your standard 'live and let live' variety, the opposite of the totalitarian mindset that too often finds its place in German intellectual circles. In fact, there's actually actually a strong pacifist tradition among them, since many Volga Germans were Mennonite conscientious objectors. They were closer to being Amish than being Commies or Nazis. (Though not for lack of Hitler and Stalin trying. But that's a tangent.)

    Anyway, back to the Scandinavian influence. I wonder if Woodard might be underestimating the role that the code of Jante might be playing in Midlands culture. (Its stress on egalitarianism, thoughtfulness, living quietly, helping your neighbor, etc.) for example. At least that's what I was always told as to why my family does things the way they do. But if that's true, it's a kind of mutated strain of Jante, different from the old country. There's an undeniable and rigid commitment to fairness and equality, but virtually no emphasis on conformity that Staffan referred to. There's the taboo against showing off, but no real respect for hierarchy, position, or authority.

    I dunno. Just my two cents. Ultimately, if you want to try and understand the Midlands, just look at Warren Buffet. There's probably no one alive who better encapsulates its values, and its bizarre myriad contradictions.

    It’s hard to say what effect German ancestry might have. Honestly, I’ve never met anyone around here who’s full-blooded German without a bit of Danish or Swede or Scots in them. Everyone’s a mutt around here, many times over. So self-reported ancestry can be a bit tricky.

    Yup…

    Another complication is that most of the German culture of the Great Plains is Volga German, which is something totally different. The Worst Hard Time has a good bit on how they imported a frontier spirit forged on the Russian steppes onto the American prairie. You know that tumblin’ tumbleweed? That’s Russian thistle, brought by those crafty Germans from Russia. Their sociopolitical orientation was mostly your standard ‘live and let live’ variety, the opposite of the totalitarian mindset that too often finds its place in German intellectual circles. In fact, there’s actually actually a strong pacifist tradition among them, since many Volga Germans were Mennonite conscientious objectors. They were closer to being Amish than being Commies or Nazis.

    Interesting. That is another factor that may explain the redness of the Great Plains. As I explored in my earlier post Germania’s Seed, when is a German not a German? Not all German Americans are created equal, and I think the specific regional origin of the German settlers may contribute to the modern liberal vs. conservative mindsets of today’s German Americans.

    Anyway, back to the Scandinavian influence. I wonder if Woodard might be underestimating the role that the code of Jante might be playing in Midlands culture. (Its stress on egalitarianism, thoughtfulness, living quietly, helping your neighbor, etc.) for example. At least that’s what I was always told as to why my family does things the way they do. But if that’s true, it’s a kind of mutated strain of Jante, different from the old country. There’s an undeniable and rigid commitment to fairness and equality, but virtually no emphasis on conformity that Staffan referred to. There’s the taboo against showing off, but no real respect for hierarchy, position, or authority.

    The Scandinavians seem more concentrated in western Yankeedom (the western upper Midwest) than the Midlands. Woodard did indeed note that the Scandinavians found themselves at home with the Yankees (and the communitarian Puritan culture). At least in the upper Midwest, the liberal areas corresponding to areas of reported Swedish settlement would seem to support this.

    Yes, there was an article mentioning Omaha (and by extension Warren Buffet) as being the capital of the Midlands, a title it does indeed seem to serve.

    Thanks for your input!

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  • @Whiskey
    Jayman --

    My sense is that these attitudes are likely to change, rapidly. After all, massive Mexican immigration is hitting even upper Yankeedom and New France, as well as lots of Africans and such. Dump a bunch of Somalis into Vermont, and even the most hard-core liberals don't like being the victim of vibrancy. Then there is the financial aspect. Not only does massive vibrancy bring person security issues to places that did not have them, and cause mental stress on avoiding crime-think as to the causes, it means radically decreased opportunity for one's kids as "Public Ivies" turn into say, UCI, when went from nearly all-White enrollment in the 1980's to about 17% today. And that's Irvine California.

    Now you have the Obama Administration full onto Agenda 21 including massive wealth transfers, and the new HUD policy aimed essentially at Section 8 housing everywhere but Malibu and the Upper East Side. If the economy were constantly rising and people could afford a new house every ten years, no problem. Uh oh.

    My view is we will shortly test Roissy's theory of Diversity + Proximity = War. And also see a rise in White unitary nationalism, i.e. New England Nation, Yankeedom, the Midlands, New Scandinavia etc. will all dissolve into White Nation as most of the White Middle Class is smacked with diversity, pays the price literally and figuratively for vibrancy, and sees the upward ladder not only kicked out but faces downward mobility. Which is the classic definition of pre-Revolutionary conditions.

    White rural liberals existed because they did not face defacto ethnic cleansing by non-Whites. That is no longer the case, and the ethnic cleansing comes not in the 1950's-60's era of rising income, but declining. Meaning loss of a home to anti-White crime (think 5,000 Somalis dumped in Burlington VT) can't be mitigated into a nicer house in the suburbs. It means a nasty apartment somewhere else for those cleansed who take a permanent loss. You know what Machiavelli advised regarding this. The traditional ethnic "nations" of America have never before faced such massive, and inescapable non-White stress.

    Look at the Upper Piedmont. The inescapable conclusion is that Whites in high-density areas vote "White" (aka non-Liberal) to prevent transfer of resources away from themselves to ... Blacks. And resources are not just monetary. Take the attitude towards guns. Non Liberal Whites view guns as a weapon of last resort against murder, torture, robbery, and rape, not necessarily in that order, by non-Whites. This represents real history of Indian, Mexican, and Black attacks, as well as Mixed-Race non-Whites (like say John Murel, the "Land Pirate" whose treasure formed the basis of Tom Sawyer's treasure, Twain in Life on the Mississippi quotes figures Murel may have murdered over 4,000 men as the leader of his group).

    So far, social peace has been purchased by social mobility, and the ability of Whites including Scandinavians and Yankees and such to avoid the impact of mass Non-White presence and defacto privilege. The "Knockout Game" aka Polar Bear Hunting, by Black "teens" and "youths" is now nationwide, fueled by Youtube and WorldStarHipHop dot com, making social attitudes under severe pressure.

    John Derbyshire worries about the elites "turning racist." Far more likely IMHO is a sudden "snap" in attitudes by Scandinavian, Yankee (who are Scandi lite essentially), Midlands, and other peoples. Those not elite and knowing they are not on the elite ladder (no opportunity loss).

    Hey WP-

    I’m probably the ‘whitest’ guy possible, genetically speaking. I ancestry.com’d my family last year back to 1200′s Sweden. (The nick I’m using is one of my ancestors.) I do get what you’re trying to say, though separating out the prescriptive from the descriptive is a bit difficult for me. And I do understand that there are some issues with too multiculturalism as an ideal. For one thing, there’s Gause’s Law of Exclusion where different species can not occupy the same space at the same time, and that this can apply to human races as well as species. Multicultural societies are ephemeral, fleeting things. The brief flame burns brightly.

    But I don’t think you can look to Scandinavian Midlanders or the Midlands in general to hop on board for any of this “White unitary nationalism” stuff. In fact, with respect, that kind of talk weirds me the hell out. Just speaking for myself, I feel more affinity for my neighbor, for my city, for my region and for my country than a set of 30-100 proposed genes that code for an oxidative tyrosine derivative expression that we collectively decide to call “race”. I think if you look at the history of the Midland…if some full-on “race war” erupts or whatever it is you’re warning about, we’ll most likely become a refugee belt, a new Trail of Tears where people without enough melanin in their skin make their way to the only place they can live in peace. Kind of the purpose we’ve always served. You realize that we have more in common with Ontario, Canada (both “mosaic societies” founded by the same exact settler cultures)? So maybe the Midlands will be re-united again, our brothers in the north joining us again, and we can be a safe haven for anyone who wants to work hard, pay their fair share, and try to lead a decent life, regardless of whatever the Bitter Ulcer of White Rage thinks about the matter.

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  • Jayman –

    My sense is that these attitudes are likely to change, rapidly. After all, massive Mexican immigration is hitting even upper Yankeedom and New France, as well as lots of Africans and such. Dump a bunch of Somalis into Vermont, and even the most hard-core liberals don’t like being the victim of vibrancy. Then there is the financial aspect. Not only does massive vibrancy bring person security issues to places that did not have them, and cause mental stress on avoiding crime-think as to the causes, it means radically decreased opportunity for one’s kids as “Public Ivies” turn into say, UCI, when went from nearly all-White enrollment in the 1980′s to about 17% today. And that’s Irvine California.

    Now you have the Obama Administration full onto Agenda 21 including massive wealth transfers, and the new HUD policy aimed essentially at Section 8 housing everywhere but Malibu and the Upper East Side. If the economy were constantly rising and people could afford a new house every ten years, no problem. Uh oh.

    My view is we will shortly test Roissy’s theory of Diversity + Proximity = War. And also see a rise in White unitary nationalism, i.e. New England Nation, Yankeedom, the Midlands, New Scandinavia etc. will all dissolve into White Nation as most of the White Middle Class is smacked with diversity, pays the price literally and figuratively for vibrancy, and sees the upward ladder not only kicked out but faces downward mobility. Which is the classic definition of pre-Revolutionary conditions.

    White rural liberals existed because they did not face defacto ethnic cleansing by non-Whites. That is no longer the case, and the ethnic cleansing comes not in the 1950′s-60′s era of rising income, but declining. Meaning loss of a home to anti-White crime (think 5,000 Somalis dumped in Burlington VT) can’t be mitigated into a nicer house in the suburbs. It means a nasty apartment somewhere else for those cleansed who take a permanent loss. You know what Machiavelli advised regarding this. The traditional ethnic “nations” of America have never before faced such massive, and inescapable non-White stress.

    Look at the Upper Piedmont. The inescapable conclusion is that Whites in high-density areas vote “White” (aka non-Liberal) to prevent transfer of resources away from themselves to … Blacks. And resources are not just monetary. Take the attitude towards guns. Non Liberal Whites view guns as a weapon of last resort against murder, torture, robbery, and rape, not necessarily in that order, by non-Whites. This represents real history of Indian, Mexican, and Black attacks, as well as Mixed-Race non-Whites (like say John Murel, the “Land Pirate” whose treasure formed the basis of Tom Sawyer’s treasure, Twain in Life on the Mississippi quotes figures Murel may have murdered over 4,000 men as the leader of his group).

    So far, social peace has been purchased by social mobility, and the ability of Whites including Scandinavians and Yankees and such to avoid the impact of mass Non-White presence and defacto privilege. The “Knockout Game” aka Polar Bear Hunting, by Black “teens” and “youths” is now nationwide, fueled by Youtube and WorldStarHipHop dot com, making social attitudes under severe pressure.

    John Derbyshire worries about the elites “turning racist.” Far more likely IMHO is a sudden “snap” in attitudes by Scandinavian, Yankee (who are Scandi lite essentially), Midlands, and other peoples. Those not elite and knowing they are not on the elite ladder (no opportunity loss).

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    Hey WP-

    I'm probably the 'whitest' guy possible, genetically speaking. I ancestry.com'd my family last year back to 1200's Sweden. (The nick I'm using is one of my ancestors.) I do get what you're trying to say, though separating out the prescriptive from the descriptive is a bit difficult for me. And I do understand that there are some issues with too multiculturalism as an ideal. For one thing, there's Gause's Law of Exclusion where different species can not occupy the same space at the same time, and that this can apply to human races as well as species. Multicultural societies are ephemeral, fleeting things. The brief flame burns brightly.

    But I don't think you can look to Scandinavian Midlanders or the Midlands in general to hop on board for any of this “White unitary nationalism” stuff. In fact, with respect, that kind of talk weirds me the hell out. Just speaking for myself, I feel more affinity for my neighbor, for my city, for my region and for my country than a set of 30-100 proposed genes that code for an oxidative tyrosine derivative expression that we collectively decide to call “race”. I think if you look at the history of the Midland...if some full-on “race war” erupts or whatever it is you're warning about, we'll most likely become a refugee belt, a new Trail of Tears where people without enough melanin in their skin make their way to the only place they can live in peace. Kind of the purpose we've always served. You realize that we have more in common with Ontario, Canada (both “mosaic societies” founded by the same exact settler cultures)? So maybe the Midlands will be re-united again, our brothers in the north joining us again, and we can be a safe haven for anyone who wants to work hard, pay their fair share, and try to lead a decent life, regardless of whatever the Bitter Ulcer of White Rage thinks about the matter.

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    Interesting stuff. For what it’s worth, I actually consider many of these issues — including a discussion of Woodard — in my forthcoming book (http://www.taylorandfrancis.com/books/details/9781138017740/). I should note that, while white Americans remain divided politically along ethnic lines, these divisions are shrinking — the political differences between WASPS and other whites are now much smaller than they were as recently as 1970. Whereas the gap between white Americans of British descent and Eastern and Southern European whites was once huge when it comes to party identification, it is smaller today.

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  • @Ivar
    I have family in both the really blue part of Iowa and the really red part of Nebraska, so this is a bit anecdotal. I'd probably second the notion that Scandinavian ancestry seems to be a factor in how 'community minded' someone is. (I've joked that you can guess someone's political party here in Omaha by whether a person's name ends in “-sen”, but that's probably not accurate.) It's hard to say what effect German ancestry might have. Honestly, I've never met anyone around here who's full-blooded German without a bit of Danish or Swede or Scots in them. Everyone's a mutt around here, many times over. So self-reported ancestry can be a bit tricky. Another complication is that most of the German culture of the Great Plains is Volga German, which is something totally different. The Worst Hard Time has a good bit on how they imported a frontier spirit forged on the Russian steppes onto the American prairie. You know that tumblin' tumbleweed? That's Russian thistle, brought by those crafty Germans from Russia. Their sociopolitical orientation was mostly your standard 'live and let live' variety, the opposite of the totalitarian mindset that too often finds its place in German intellectual circles. In fact, there's actually actually a strong pacifist tradition among them, since many Volga Germans were Mennonite conscientious objectors. They were closer to being Amish than being Commies or Nazis. (Though not for lack of Hitler and Stalin trying. But that's a tangent.)

    Anyway, back to the Scandinavian influence. I wonder if Woodard might be underestimating the role that the code of Jante might be playing in Midlands culture. (Its stress on egalitarianism, thoughtfulness, living quietly, helping your neighbor, etc.) for example. At least that's what I was always told as to why my family does things the way they do. But if that's true, it's a kind of mutated strain of Jante, different from the old country. There's an undeniable and rigid commitment to fairness and equality, but virtually no emphasis on conformity that Staffan referred to. There's the taboo against showing off, but no real respect for hierarchy, position, or authority.

    I dunno. Just my two cents. Ultimately, if you want to try and understand the Midlands, just look at Warren Buffet. There's probably no one alive who better encapsulates its values, and its bizarre myriad contradictions.

    Er, Warren Buffett that is…

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  • I have family in both the really blue part of Iowa and the really red part of Nebraska, so this is a bit anecdotal. I’d probably second the notion that Scandinavian ancestry seems to be a factor in how ‘community minded’ someone is. (I’ve joked that you can guess someone’s political party here in Omaha by whether a person’s name ends in “-sen”, but that’s probably not accurate.) It’s hard to say what effect German ancestry might have. Honestly, I’ve never met anyone around here who’s full-blooded German without a bit of Danish or Swede or Scots in them. Everyone’s a mutt around here, many times over. So self-reported ancestry can be a bit tricky. Another complication is that most of the German culture of the Great Plains is Volga German, which is something totally different. The Worst Hard Time has a good bit on how they imported a frontier spirit forged on the Russian steppes onto the American prairie. You know that tumblin’ tumbleweed? That’s Russian thistle, brought by those crafty Germans from Russia. Their sociopolitical orientation was mostly your standard ‘live and let live’ variety, the opposite of the totalitarian mindset that too often finds its place in German intellectual circles. In fact, there’s actually actually a strong pacifist tradition among them, since many Volga Germans were Mennonite conscientious objectors. They were closer to being Amish than being Commies or Nazis. (Though not for lack of Hitler and Stalin trying. But that’s a tangent.)

    Anyway, back to the Scandinavian influence. I wonder if Woodard might be underestimating the role that the code of Jante might be playing in Midlands culture. (Its stress on egalitarianism, thoughtfulness, living quietly, helping your neighbor, etc.) for example. At least that’s what I was always told as to why my family does things the way they do. But if that’s true, it’s a kind of mutated strain of Jante, different from the old country. There’s an undeniable and rigid commitment to fairness and equality, but virtually no emphasis on conformity that Staffan referred to. There’s the taboo against showing off, but no real respect for hierarchy, position, or authority.

    I dunno. Just my two cents. Ultimately, if you want to try and understand the Midlands, just look at Warren Buffet. There’s probably no one alive who better encapsulates its values, and its bizarre myriad contradictions.

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    Er, Warren Buffett that is...
    , @JayMan
    @Ivar:

    It’s hard to say what effect German ancestry might have. Honestly, I’ve never met anyone around here who’s full-blooded German without a bit of Danish or Swede or Scots in them. Everyone’s a mutt around here, many times over. So self-reported ancestry can be a bit tricky.
     
    Yup...

    Another complication is that most of the German culture of the Great Plains is Volga German, which is something totally different. The Worst Hard Time has a good bit on how they imported a frontier spirit forged on the Russian steppes onto the American prairie. You know that tumblin’ tumbleweed? That’s Russian thistle, brought by those crafty Germans from Russia. Their sociopolitical orientation was mostly your standard ‘live and let live’ variety, the opposite of the totalitarian mindset that too often finds its place in German intellectual circles. In fact, there’s actually actually a strong pacifist tradition among them, since many Volga Germans were Mennonite conscientious objectors. They were closer to being Amish than being Commies or Nazis.
     
    Interesting. That is another factor that may explain the redness of the Great Plains. As I explored in my earlier post Germania's Seed, when is a German not a German? Not all German Americans are created equal, and I think the specific regional origin of the German settlers may contribute to the modern liberal vs. conservative mindsets of today's German Americans.

    Anyway, back to the Scandinavian influence. I wonder if Woodard might be underestimating the role that the code of Jante might be playing in Midlands culture. (Its stress on egalitarianism, thoughtfulness, living quietly, helping your neighbor, etc.) for example. At least that’s what I was always told as to why my family does things the way they do. But if that’s true, it’s a kind of mutated strain of Jante, different from the old country. There’s an undeniable and rigid commitment to fairness and equality, but virtually no emphasis on conformity that Staffan referred to. There’s the taboo against showing off, but no real respect for hierarchy, position, or authority.
     
    The Scandinavians seem more concentrated in western Yankeedom (the western upper Midwest) than the Midlands. Woodard did indeed note that the Scandinavians found themselves at home with the Yankees (and the communitarian Puritan culture). At least in the upper Midwest, the liberal areas corresponding to areas of reported Swedish settlement would seem to support this.

    Yes, there was an article mentioning Omaha (and by extension Warren Buffet) as being the capital of the Midlands, a title it does indeed seem to serve.

    Thanks for your input!

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  • @Orthodox
    A lot of German communists fled Germany during the 19th Century crackdowns and ended up in Wisconsin.

    Yes, one might wonder about different Germans in different places. The Germans in Minnesota, ND and SD lean strongly to the right.

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    Yes, one might wonder about different Germans in different places. The Germans in Minnesota, ND and SD lean strongly to the right.
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  • @Luke Lea
    Jayman: "the heritable roots of these differences mean that the divisions among White Americans are largely intractable, and the divides we see will be with us – in one form or another – for a long time to come."

    Somehow I find that relaxing. We can forget about changing other people's minds.

    It’s not relaxing to me, in the sense that most people don’t get it and may not be capable of getting it, so they will continue attempting to turn everyone else into them through whatever means they fancy. So much wasted effort, so much pointless argument.

    ~S

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  • @Luke Lea
    Jayman: "the heritable roots of these differences mean that the divisions among White Americans are largely intractable, and the divides we see will be with us – in one form or another – for a long time to come."

    Somehow I find that relaxing. We can forget about changing other people's minds.

    Hehe. :) The best way to get results is to appeal to the sensibilities of the other groups to coax them to act in a way in line with what we want.

    I admit I’m far from the most able in this department.

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  • Jayman: “the heritable roots of these differences mean that the divisions among White Americans are largely intractable, and the divides we see will be with us – in one form or another – for a long time to come.”

    Somehow I find that relaxing. We can forget about changing other people’s minds.

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    @Luke Lea:

    Hehe. :) The best way to get results is to appeal to the sensibilities of the other groups to coax them to act in a way in line with what we want.

    I admit I'm far from the most able in this department.

    , @Sisyphean
    It's not relaxing to me, in the sense that most people don't get it and may not be capable of getting it, so they will continue attempting to turn everyone else into them through whatever means they fancy. So much wasted effort, so much pointless argument.

    ~S

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  • […] Rural White Liberals – a Key to Understanding the Political Divide – “there are likely several factors involved in shaping the modern American political landscape. Of which, the strongest may be ethnonational origin. This is buttressed by population density pressure, founder effects, internal self-sorting, and perhaps even recent evolution.” – from jayman. […]

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  • I’m guessing it might be like in Scandinavian countries where the overwhelming majority are liberal, so even when the most liberal leave for the city there is no dramatic change. We don’t have any conservative rednecks.

    It might also be a matter of climate. I’m toying with the idea that sun people have evolved a pathogen avoidance along with the conservatism that is so clearly a part of it. Perhaps the climate contributes in a short-term as well in that it might trigger this avoidance. There is a rough correspondence between Big Five conscientiousness and heat index (heat and humidity) in America. I’d love to see some state-level stats on Haidt’s Purity foundation since that would be a more direct measure than conscientiousness, but I haven’t found anything so far.

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    Good points.

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  • @The Man Who Was . . .
    I took a look at the counties in the Dakotas and Minnesota that went either Republican or Democratics in the last few presidential elections.

    Counties in the Dakotas that tended to go Democratic in a presidential election were either:
    1. Heavily Norwegian
    2. Had a large Amerindian population.

    Counties in the Dakotas that went Republican tended to have a large German population.

    Counties in Minnesota that tended to go Democratic in a presidential election were either:
    1. Heavily Norwegian
    2. Had a large Amerindian population.
    3. Had a very diverse population, particularly in the Twin Cities area, but also places like Deluth.

    Counties in Minnesota that went Republican tended to have a large German population.

    Surprisingly, in neither place did Swedes make much of a difference.

    Swedes are highly conformist, much more so than Norwegians. Many rooted for the Nazis when they looked as if they might win but then abruptly shifted to democratic socialism after the war.

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    Swedes (as well as Germans) are also heavy drinkers and Norwegians are teetotalers. A big split in the American Lutheran Church happened because of Norwegian American support for prohibition as opposed to German and Swedish Lutherans who did not support it.
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  • I took a look at the counties in the Dakotas and Minnesota that went either Republican or Democratics in the last few presidential elections.

    Counties in the Dakotas that tended to go Democratic in a presidential election were either:
    1. Heavily Norwegian
    2. Had a large Amerindian population.

    Counties in the Dakotas that went Republican tended to have a large German population.

    Counties in Minnesota that tended to go Democratic in a presidential election were either:
    1. Heavily Norwegian
    2. Had a large Amerindian population.
    3. Had a very diverse population, particularly in the Twin Cities area, but also places like Deluth.

    Counties in Minnesota that went Republican tended to have a large German population.

    Surprisingly, in neither place did Swedes make much of a difference.

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    Swedes are highly conformist, much more so than Norwegians. Many rooted for the Nazis when they looked as if they might win but then abruptly shifted to democratic socialism after the war.
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    @The Man Who Was . . .:

    Interesting, but remember we can't take self-reported ancestry too seriously. It's best thought of as a broad guide and that's it.

    That said, one does have to wonder if Scandinavian genes are contributing to the liberalism of the area. It would seem to break down in western North Dakota (heavily self-reported Norwegian), but then we have the self-report problem again.

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  • Post edited (12/10/12). See below! Commenter szopeno once noted that if you ask women what their ideal family size is, you will get an average of about 2.1-2.5 children (trending towards the low side in Western world). As previously discussed here, the decline in fertility among Whites in America is primarily among liberals, with White...
  • […] know if conservatives had a fertility advantage in the far past, prior to the 20th century (see Expectations and reality: a window into the liberal-conservative baby gap). Likely, considering, the prevalence of liberals today, if conservatives couldn’t have had […]

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  • The Pioneer Hypothesis posits that, particularly for Europeans and East Asians, colonization of new territory selects for earlier and more rapid breeding. As well, it should select for behavioral traits that promote faster breeding. In the United States at least, this has meant greater religiosity and political conservatism, giving us well known maps like these:...
  • […] have indeed heard these types of ideas here before. These were part of my Pioneer hypothesis. I once posited that natural selection trends towards more conservative minded people on the front of… and more liberal-minded people in geographically bounded ones. The key limitation for this […]

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  • Continuing my ongoing investigation into fertility, I wanted to take another look at who's having children. This post will look at fertility from a different angle: the spread in fertility by sex, IQ, political orientation, and education. I was prompted to this by a recent article describing parenthood in Norway. It found that a fifth...
  • […] Much of the Plains was settled by diffusion from the more populated “seed”/coastal areas. Such areas may have favored individuals with strong family values, as these individuals would need to continue moving in order to continue reproducing. Indeed, this attitude towards marriage, family, and children is one of the modern hallmarks of the psychological differences between liberals and conservatives, as testified by my examinations of their fertility gap (see also Who’s Having the Babies?): […]

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  • This is my 100th blog post. Upon reaching this milestone, I thought that this would be a great time to take moment to look back at my experience as a blogger in Human BioDiversity (HBD) and share my thoughts on the things to come. 1. The Beginning 2. Fertility 3. Immigration and the economy 4....
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  • @Dan
    Every single bit 'liberal' theology gets in the way of having children. Here are 10 areas off the top of my head where 'liberal' theology is anti-natalist:

    1 - Pro-Life versus pro Choice (duh)
    2 - Worshipping the Cathedral (specifically higher education); the more time you are in higher ed, the less time you have to have children
    3 - Feminist careerism - can't be in the kitchen cooking dinner for your kids if you are in the corporate boardroom, or most any demanding job
    4 - Antagonism toward religion - most religions are pro natalist to varying degrees
    5 - Feminist insistence in the sameness of men and women - makes women much less attractive to men
    6 - View of marriage as a patriarchal instrument of oppression - Children are much more likely to spring forth from married people
    7 - Upholding birth control as a fundamental human right (and forcing every institution to give it away for free)
    8 - The environmentalists view of humans basically as a scourge on the planet
    9 - Liberals' attachment to urban living puts them in a setting not conducive to having children
    10 - Young liberals' belief that they have a human right to pursue a field that is not economically viable means of course that they will not be able to, you know, support anybody.

    Oh, gosh and I forgot the most obvious ones of all!

    11 - Male homosexuality as the holiest and most righteous form of goodness that there is.
    12 - Lesbianism as the other holiest and most righteous form of goodness that there is.

    All twelve of the above anti-natalist aspects are the very central pillars of the modern Democratic party. I put 'liberal' theology in quotes because what is today regarded as liberalism has almost nothing to do with real, classical liberalism.

    It's a miracle that modern 'liberals' have any children at all, considering...

    In response to JP, do respond specifically to points that I made, and then we can exchange like grown-ups rather than revert to name calling. I grew up in one of the most liberal parts of America (Montgomery County, MD), got an Ivy League education, and am back in the D.C. area. I have never met anyone in the KKK (or knew anyone who knew anyone in the KKK) and I know few bible-belt Christians. I am not even conventionally Christian although I do not recoil from Christians or fear them as you seem to.

    Your post indicates to me nothing so much as a liberal bubble. This is why I believe liberalism (modern, not classical) has much in common with religious belief. I said nothing theological, did not quote the bible, did not invoke any deity and you already recoil, fearing you might see something which might expose your lovingly constructed mindset to heretical thoughts. Boo!

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  • @EvolutionistX
    Two things : Even people who do not personally want *any* children may still answer a number higher than zero simply because they recognize that if no one had kids, the species would die out, and 2, it may just be human nature to--boomers excepted--want slightly more kids than one already has, thus making it more likely that people will maximize their breeding potential. Likewise, people may report wanting more TVs than they own, more cars, bigger houses...

    Follow up post here which discusses this some: http://jaymans.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/for-every-person-that-doesnt-want-kids-there-are-25-that-do-is-that-so/

    (I changed my moniker since the days of being e)

    “Women who feel they cannot personally afford to have more kids and who those who do not want to have a family seem to be the pretty clear reason for the gap.”

    Not really. Conservatives are poorer, on average, than liberals, but conservatives have more children. Globally, the strong correlation between poverty and fertility could hardly be starker, with fertility extremely high in poor countries like Nigeria, and extremely low in wealthy countries like Japan.

    Of course there’s that tricky “feeling” business. A person in the US with a moderate income might “feel” like they can’t afford kids even though they’re a thousand times wealthier than folks in Nigeria with 7 kids, because of some cultural or environmental factor, but even within the US,among people sharing fairly similar cultures and environments, we still see poor conservatives more willing to have children than wealthier liberals.

    As for liberals not wanting children, that seems obvious enough.

    (The big question there is why. I don’t think it is simply, as you seem to be saying, that people who happen not to want children call themselves liberals because it’s the liberals who happen to favor condoms and birth control (at the very least you’ve got yourself a chicken-and-egg issue there.) I think it goes far deeper than that, into people’s thoughts and relationships with the world.

    To oversimplify a lot of neuroscience I’ve been reading, most people seem to have various feedback mechanisms in their brains which help them socialize and learn from others–basically they’re rewarded, mentally, for doing what other people are doing. Evolutionarily, this is a sound way to not eat poisonous berries. People with really strong feedback systems will tend to want strongly to do whatever everyone else in their society does–that is, they will tend to have conservative natures. People with weak feedback systems, like me, are Aspie. A related set of feedback runs through the parts of our brains which process disgust. I personally feel so little disgust, I was shocked to find out that it’s a real phenomenon for others. I’d always figured they were making it up. Anyway, people with large regions of their brains devoted to disgust process more of reality through their disgust filters and so, simply feel more disgust about stuff. These people are neo-phobic and tend to be conservative. People processing reality through other parts of their brain will feel less disgust and thus be open to more things. “Openness” and “liberality” are extremely correlated.

    People with high desires for social conformity and low desires for novelty will probably generally be happy around other people very similar to themselves, which would generally be their families. (Even when he’s being dumb, my brother is still more like me than a random person off the street.) In general, I think this accounts for their high desire to be part of big families. Liberals, by contrast, simply like novelty and don’t really care much for being in big groups. Being part of a big family sounds like a burden, rather than a delight. But I’m obviously going out on a really speculative limb. )

    The gap is real, but easily enough explained by common phenomena, such as people not wanting to say they have too many kids.

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  • @EvolutionistX
    Two things : Even people who do not personally want *any* children may still answer a number higher than zero simply because they recognize that if no one had kids, the species would die out, and 2, it may just be human nature to--boomers excepted--want slightly more kids than one already has, thus making it more likely that people will maximize their breeding potential. Likewise, people may report wanting more TVs than they own, more cars, bigger houses...

    You’ve noticed a significant problem with the author’s logic. The question asked of people was not “how many children do you intend to have.” It was “what do you think is the ideal number of children for a family to have?” The latter term is a hypothetical; it is not asking about expectation at all. A respondent might say the ideal income for a family is at least, say, 200k. That’s all well and good, but that’s not the same as saying they expect to earn 200k for their family. Women who feel they cannot personally afford to have more kids and who those who do not want to have a family seem to be the pretty clear reason for the gap. They may think the ideal is around 3, but if they can only afford one, or they don’t want a family for themselves, well, there’s your gap. Further, women like that may tend to be liberal for some of the reasons cited, but probably more important is the same factor that drives the preponderance of people with advanced degrees to vote Democratic. When one party is simply very loudly ideologically opposed to what an individual perceives as their interest – be that birth control or science or burning fossil fuels or singing country music of any one of a long list of ludicrously polarized issues – that individual may tend to align themselves with the prevailing alternative paradigm. I just don’t see any expectation/reality gap.

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  • @Dan
    Every single bit 'liberal' theology gets in the way of having children. Here are 10 areas off the top of my head where 'liberal' theology is anti-natalist:

    1 - Pro-Life versus pro Choice (duh)
    2 - Worshipping the Cathedral (specifically higher education); the more time you are in higher ed, the less time you have to have children
    3 - Feminist careerism - can't be in the kitchen cooking dinner for your kids if you are in the corporate boardroom, or most any demanding job
    4 - Antagonism toward religion - most religions are pro natalist to varying degrees
    5 - Feminist insistence in the sameness of men and women - makes women much less attractive to men
    6 - View of marriage as a patriarchal instrument of oppression - Children are much more likely to spring forth from married people
    7 - Upholding birth control as a fundamental human right (and forcing every institution to give it away for free)
    8 - The environmentalists view of humans basically as a scourge on the planet
    9 - Liberals' attachment to urban living puts them in a setting not conducive to having children
    10 - Young liberals' belief that they have a human right to pursue a field that is not economically viable means of course that they will not be able to, you know, support anybody.

    Oh, gosh and I forgot the most obvious ones of all!

    11 - Male homosexuality as the holiest and most righteous form of goodness that there is.
    12 - Lesbianism as the other holiest and most righteous form of goodness that there is.

    All twelve of the above anti-natalist aspects are the very central pillars of the modern Democratic party. I put 'liberal' theology in quotes because what is today regarded as liberalism has almost nothing to do with real, classical liberalism.

    It's a miracle that modern 'liberals' have any children at all, considering...

    JP, I follow this blog, and I’m a liberal. (As is JayMan himself.) Some of the readers are undoubtedly conservative, others liberal–not much different than, say, any other corner of the internet. Personally, I wouldn’t equate anyone here too much with mainstream ‘conservative’ or ‘liberal’ thought.

    Since you’re responding directly to Dan’s post about liberal “theology”, do you have a specific objection to his claims? On most social issues, liberals and conservatives do divide between norms or policies which would create more children or fewer children. I don’t have to be anti-abortion (or pro-abortion) to recognize that more abortion = fewer children, less abortion = more children, for example. Different norms and values about childbearing and things related to family formation will of course show up as different #s of children. Whether that’s good, bad, or neutral is a matter of personal opinions.

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  • @Dan
    Every single bit 'liberal' theology gets in the way of having children. Here are 10 areas off the top of my head where 'liberal' theology is anti-natalist:

    1 - Pro-Life versus pro Choice (duh)
    2 - Worshipping the Cathedral (specifically higher education); the more time you are in higher ed, the less time you have to have children
    3 - Feminist careerism - can't be in the kitchen cooking dinner for your kids if you are in the corporate boardroom, or most any demanding job
    4 - Antagonism toward religion - most religions are pro natalist to varying degrees
    5 - Feminist insistence in the sameness of men and women - makes women much less attractive to men
    6 - View of marriage as a patriarchal instrument of oppression - Children are much more likely to spring forth from married people
    7 - Upholding birth control as a fundamental human right (and forcing every institution to give it away for free)
    8 - The environmentalists view of humans basically as a scourge on the planet
    9 - Liberals' attachment to urban living puts them in a setting not conducive to having children
    10 - Young liberals' belief that they have a human right to pursue a field that is not economically viable means of course that they will not be able to, you know, support anybody.

    Oh, gosh and I forgot the most obvious ones of all!

    11 - Male homosexuality as the holiest and most righteous form of goodness that there is.
    12 - Lesbianism as the other holiest and most righteous form of goodness that there is.

    All twelve of the above anti-natalist aspects are the very central pillars of the modern Democratic party. I put 'liberal' theology in quotes because what is today regarded as liberalism has almost nothing to do with real, classical liberalism.

    It's a miracle that modern 'liberals' have any children at all, considering...

    Reading this blog really gives an awful impression of conservatives. While many people posting anonymously on the Internet seem to be pretty ignorant, at least liberals aren’t hypocritically “Christian” on top of all of it. If you want to live a life of rage against people you know nothing about, consider the KKK, not the GOP.

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  • @peterike
    Conservatives may have more kids, but Conservative parents doesn't equal Conservative kids. Far from it.

    Liberals are made, not just born. You may have a Right-wing mommy and daddy, but every single other educational influence in your life from Pre-K through PhD will be hard-core Liberal. Every cultural influence in your life will be Liberal. It will take an enormous counter-insurgency from the parents to counteract the dominant Progressive world out there. And it requires a great deal of personal integrity and strength to avoid just going along with the crowd.

    This is why I think Liberal kids of Conservative parents are far more common than Conservative kids of Liberal parents. The Progressive Sausage Machine churns on, and until that gets changed I don't see a significant drop in the number of white Liberals.

    Someone with very strong personal opinions who is not able to compromise, distrusts others, and makes broad, ignorant statements about a hundred million people with whom she disagrees may or may not be a conservative, but she certainly sounds like someone who has trouble making friends.

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  • Following up on my earlier post about the connection between fertility rates and happiness, I wanted to take a wider view with more proper research controls to see if the pattern holds. Here is a map I've drawn of self-reported happiness around the world, as reported in the World Values Survey: As before, this is...
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  • Commenter redzengenoist has brought to my attention that in his homeland of Denmark, policy seems to have accomplished two rather remarkable feats: Fertility among non-Western immigrant women (primarily Muslims) is down to 1.88 children/child-bearing woman, from a high of 3.4. And, more importantly, the fertility rate among educated Danish women has nearly caught up to...
  • […] people – eugenic fertility – may be best achieved with “socialist” policies (as I’ve previously explained). These include programs to help working mothers, such as state supported day care and paid […]

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  • As I've posted elsewhere, I wanted to demonstrate here the strong inverse relationship that exists between population density and fertility rates. As before, this is best done graphically (from Eurostat): As can be seen here, with a few exceptions (particularly the Low Countries and the UK), there is a strong inverse relationship between population density...
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  • To demonstrate a point that I have asserted at various points – a point that tends to be often indirectly hinted at in the blogosphere and only occasionally stately concretely, I again avail to maps to tell a tale. First, I'll start with a previously featured map of fertility rates across Europe: This is a...
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  • This is my 100th blog post. Upon reaching this milestone, I thought that this would be a great time to take moment to look back at my experience as a blogger in Human BioDiversity (HBD) and share my thoughts on the things to come. 1. The Beginning 2. Fertility 3. Immigration and the economy 4....
  • @Anonymous
    Jayman, several weeks ago I made a comment on a survey you posted on your blog that purportedly divined the political leanings of the test participants. The following link is an example of the bias in so many surveys.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130811005342.htm

    @boboin:

    The findings are interesting, even if they spin them in a decidedly PC way.

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  • Jayman, several weeks ago I made a comment on a survey you posted on your blog that purportedly divined the political leanings of the test participants. The following link is an example of the bias in so many surveys.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130811005342.htm

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    @boboin:

    The findings are interesting, even if they spin them in a decidedly PC way.

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  • […] aside from the previously featured demographic contraction (see Who’s Having the Babies? and 100 Blog Posts – A Reflection on HBD Blogging And What Lies Ahead: Fertility), but the impact on the psyche of citizens, as discussed in The Atlantic article Suicide and the […]

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  • Continuing my ongoing investigation into fertility, I wanted to take another look at who's having children. This post will look at fertility from a different angle: the spread in fertility by sex, IQ, political orientation, and education. I was prompted to this by a recent article describing parenthood in Norway. It found that a fifth...
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  • @Yudi
    Like the poster above, I think issues of social power are not coming into this analysis enough. Why does everyone have to be educated these days? To please their employers. Why do women go to college? Because female-dominated jobs that don't require a college degree are very low-paying (nannies, etc.). And yes, the debt burden that college graduates labor under is crushing, and not conducive to risk-taking of any kind.

    Furthermore, general economic and labor-market trends are terrible and don't seem to be improving for most people. Many college graduates are stuck in menial labor and can hardly pay their debts as it is. It doesn't take a genius to see that all of these things will put severe downward pressure on the fertility of high-IQ, highly conscientious people (but not that of low-IQ/unconscientious people, who have much more of a "what, happens, happens" outlook).

    The elites really have us by the balls. Not only have they successfully pushed multiculturalism and mass immigration on us, their financial polices and the inequality they have created are crushing the fertility of high-IQ people. Also, as a result of those policies, vastly more people are going to college and being exposed to Cathedral indoctrination with little to show for it. And there is no end in sight. I wonder if you could address this social power aspect of the problem in your "HBD and Society" series? It's certainly one thing that a broad awareness of HBD might change.

    “Cathedral indoctrination” means feminism/socialism/progressivism, I think.

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  • Interesting discussion. I am a male with high educational attainment (based on ACT and MCAT I qualify for MENSA – yippee!) with 6 children. We had kids before any education completion because we both enjoy children and I highly recommend it. The conventional wisdom on this seems odd, changing diapers in the middle of the night is no big deal when I need to show up for class or am in grad school. It is rather rough if I would have to do it in my 40s when I am teaching the classes.

    I think if people are interested in changing the dynamics of societal IQ (which its not clear to me is a worthwhile goal) you could make changes by the margin, and “Nudge” people simply by not subsidizing births by the poor. If the costs became significant for poor people to have children and resulted in impoverishing them overtime they would self select to have fewer children – at the margin. If I remember correctly, in Denmark teen births are NOT funded by the government while almost all others are. Easy access to birth control and strong disincentives to have children will likely result in enough of a change to achieve this “goal” of reducing low IQ births.

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  • @vimothy
    JayMan,

    Caught a bit of a conversation on Twitter, in which you stated that the most "traditional" states in Europe have the lowest fertility.

    A moment's Googling turned up this from the Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204800/British-birth-rate-soared-highest-Europe-thanks-increase-migrants.html

    It claims that the country with the highest TFR is... Ireland. The next highest is... France. So it seems that it's not really the case that the most traditional states have the lowest fertility, unless the Mail has its facts wrong, or you want to argue that Ireland and France are not traditional.

    In fact, looking at the top ten, the only really incongruous presence is that of Scandinavian countries and the UK. But the white British TFR hasn't moved at all in recent years and would still be resolutely mid table, absent the effect of immigration, or so the Mail's journalist claims.

    I don't know much about trends in Scandinavia, but I would guess that their high rates also reflect the high fertility of their booming immigrant populations.

    (Would it be possible to make a chart of Euro TFR, controlling for immigration?)

    So my reading would be that the evidence is somewhat more mixed than you made out.

    JayMan,

    A pleasure, sir, and thank you for the links.

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  • @vimothy
    JayMan,

    Caught a bit of a conversation on Twitter, in which you stated that the most "traditional" states in Europe have the lowest fertility.

    A moment's Googling turned up this from the Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204800/British-birth-rate-soared-highest-Europe-thanks-increase-migrants.html

    It claims that the country with the highest TFR is... Ireland. The next highest is... France. So it seems that it's not really the case that the most traditional states have the lowest fertility, unless the Mail has its facts wrong, or you want to argue that Ireland and France are not traditional.

    In fact, looking at the top ten, the only really incongruous presence is that of Scandinavian countries and the UK. But the white British TFR hasn't moved at all in recent years and would still be resolutely mid table, absent the effect of immigration, or so the Mail's journalist claims.

    I don't know much about trends in Scandinavia, but I would guess that their high rates also reflect the high fertility of their booming immigrant populations.

    (Would it be possible to make a chart of Euro TFR, controlling for immigration?)

    So my reading would be that the evidence is somewhat more mixed than you made out.

    First of all, welcome!

    Considering France to be “traditional” seems to be equivocating on the meaning of the word. Perhaps Ireland would count, but the reality is that, in general, the Northwest European countries – those with the highest levels of gender “equality” – have the highest fertility rates.

    This isn’t just due to immigrants. The fertility rates of the native populations are high (by First World standard) across the board:

    UK: 1.89 (very similar to the White TFR in the U.S.)
    France: ~1.7
    The Netherlands: 1.72
    Norway: 1.8
    Denmark: 1.93

    Still sub-replacement, but concerns over sub-replacement fertility – at least in the West – is misplaced. The real issue is dysgenic fertility and population replacement (by immigrants).

    Also see my follow-up post to this one, Fertility and Happiness: A Global Perspective.

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  • JayMan,

    Caught a bit of a conversation on Twitter, in which you stated that the most “traditional” states in Europe have the lowest fertility.

    A moment’s Googling turned up this from the Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2204800/British-birth-rate-soared-highest-Europe-thanks-increase-migrants.html

    It claims that the country with the highest TFR is… Ireland. The next highest is… France. So it seems that it’s not really the case that the most traditional states have the lowest fertility, unless the Mail has its facts wrong, or you want to argue that Ireland and France are not traditional.

    In fact, looking at the top ten, the only really incongruous presence is that of Scandinavian countries and the UK. But the white British TFR hasn’t moved at all in recent years and would still be resolutely mid table, absent the effect of immigration, or so the Mail’s journalist claims.

    I don’t know much about trends in Scandinavia, but I would guess that their high rates also reflect the high fertility of their booming immigrant populations.

    (Would it be possible to make a chart of Euro TFR, controlling for immigration?)

    So my reading would be that the evidence is somewhat more mixed than you made out.

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    @vimothy:

    First of all, welcome!

    Considering France to be "traditional" seems to be equivocating on the meaning of the word. Perhaps Ireland would count, but the reality is that, in general, the Northwest European countries – those with the highest levels of gender "equality" – have the highest fertility rates.

    This isn't just due to immigrants. The fertility rates of the native populations are high (by First World standard) across the board:

    UK: 1.89 (very similar to the White TFR in the U.S.)
    France: ~1.7
    The Netherlands: 1.72
    Norway: 1.8
    Denmark: 1.93

    Still sub-replacement, but concerns over sub-replacement fertility – at least in the West – is misplaced. The real issue is dysgenic fertility and population replacement (by immigrants).

    Also see my follow-up post to this one, Fertility and Happiness: A Global Perspective.

    , @vimothy
    JayMan,

    A pleasure, sir, and thank you for the links.

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  • Continuing my ongoing investigation into fertility, I wanted to take another look at who's having children. This post will look at fertility from a different angle: the spread in fertility by sex, IQ, political orientation, and education. I was prompted to this by a recent article describing parenthood in Norway. It found that a fifth...
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  • @Staffan
    Great post!

    Does this mean that you will be writing the book that introduces this field to the public? You certainly seem to be one of the best writers in the HBD bunch. I'd be happy to help out as an editor and proofreader as I'm sure others would be too.

    Oh, also – I know of an academic publisher that might release it…

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  • @Staffan
    Great post!

    Does this mean that you will be writing the book that introduces this field to the public? You certainly seem to be one of the best writers in the HBD bunch. I'd be happy to help out as an editor and proofreader as I'm sure others would be too.

    Yeah! Who’s gonna write The Book?

    Probably it should be a collaborative effort, actually. One person would lead to too much iconoclasm: it would be better to have samples across the HBD community. Unless that one person is a proponent of ‘vanilla’ HBD, like Sailer.

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