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    Inaugurating her Politically Correct remake of National Geographic, Editrix-In-Chief Susan Goldberg wrote recently: “Some of what you find in our archives leaves you speechless, like a 1916 story about Australia. Underneath photos of two Aboriginal people, the caption reads: ‘South Australian Blackfellows: These savages rank lowest in intelligence of all human beings.’” [Link in original]....
  • @Svigor
    It's an ecological thing. Hunter gatherers, nomads, agricultural civilizations, these things can't share space. White-haters, darkie-lovers, Russian flatheads like FB, etc., they aren't bright enough to know they're "retconning" the values of an agricultural civilization onto the other kinds when they talk about "stealing land from the abos" or whatever. Whitey no more stole Australia and the Americas from the aboriginals than the aboriginals stole it in the first place. That's how land ownership is established in hunter-gatherer and nomad societies; whichever band/tribe can defend a territory is the owner. If another group comes along and drives them off, the newcomers are the new owners. This is obviously the law that governed the aboriginals' reality. More of a physical or natural law than any mans'. By the aboriginals' own customs, Whitey is now the rightful owner.

    Agreed, and would go even farther and say that “whichever band/tribe can defend a territory is the owner” applied to pretty much every culture up until we made enough weaponry/deterrance/mutual profit to minimize border and internal warfare post WW2. Therefore, you cannot retroactively apply modern human rights and standards of “not stealing land” on older situations that have been resolved to one end for generations, since the modern world’s boundaries are currently enforced by total war, MAD, and relatively larger states (with larger dependence on peaceful foreign trade – the type and degree is another subject, that can go wrong too) with heavier internal policing. None of those things existed, or did in a much lesser degree, during the Age of Western Discovery/Expansion.

    Whenever you do try retconning, you can only do so in relatively lesser matters, for example teaching natives their ancestral languages – they will still have to learn to read and write, something that for example nearly no Amerinds did up until 500 years ago in any language. The evil priests of all people were the first to teach them, thus keeping their languages alive (if only as a side effect of forced conversion, but still).

    Besides, this standard of “no land stealing” is applied in schizophrenic ways, only to convenience of the globalist elite really – for example, most of the Western world considers Kosovo a nation (its current boundaries set up as an autonomous province under Tito a few decades ago), or desires Catalonia or Scotland to be independent states because they last were independent centuries ago but pledge to love the EU (or the euro, rather). Meanwhile we don’t mind the Afrikaner being displaced from land they have been at for several generations, because the descendants of West African Bantus had invaded before that and feel aggrieved they don’t have total domination over the Bushmen and pygmies as they used to…

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  • @bike-anarkist
    "If a particular group thinks that their belief system is the best way to survive and prosper, cut them loose so they can prove it. Give the aborigines 3% of Australia’s land and leave them alone."

    Actually, give them the whole of Aus and the whiteys can go back to wherever they came from... because whiteys can't leave anything alone.

    Would then Australian whites count as a homeless population, therefore achieving victim status, and therefore worthy of signs such as “they can have my bed” as they parade around camps everywhere?

    All assuming that the aborigines aren’t overtaken by another foreign power of a different race than them. As they nearly were when yellow Japan and others tried to invade throughout history. Do you think Hideki Tojo’s armies would have been any more merciful to them than to the Chinese ladies of Nanjing? What about earlier examples, such as Mohammed’s faithful that literally wanted to raze the world for their god? BTW, they got pretty close to them, having spread to Indonesia (ask East Timor how that went).

    But hey, let’s blame whitey – using computers.

    If we’re all equal, then we should all equally use logic…

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  • @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    So is there an alliance potentiality along the lines of "caucus with us and cut out the middle man" or/and, "support all traditional lifestyles and communities...you support ours , we'll support yours" ?

    Pretty much. Westerners who want to defend their culture(s) should by the same token understand the non-Western peoples who want to keep their cultures alive. The key is in the degree of separation – not too much as not to grow uninformed, then suspicious and then hostile of motives of the Other, but not as little so as to destroy the way of life of either of the cultures by mixing with potentially volatile results. It happens in chemistry, it happens in life. Those who advocate for a global culture seek destruction of all national cultures, not just white ones. You could say that the non-white ones are supported more by Western leftists because of vengeful/masochistic reasons – but even then, the left in South America brought nothing more than phony revivals of folk culture for the natives; if anything, whenever natives achieve “success” as measured by leftists (usually education and welfare coverage, as if that was all there was to life), it is when they are more Westernized than ever before. Look at Evo Morales, his favorite pastime is the English Victorian sport of soccer, learned nationalization of resources and state ownership of means of production from Western leftist authors, and he defends the coca leaf growers that tangentially feed the producers of a certain white substance loved in the West. Not to mention, his vice-president who does most of the policy is a lefty white Hispanic.

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  • @peterAUS

    The full blood aborigines I’ve had involvement with are certainly far less intelligent than whites. The problem isn’t money or the government supplying housing and so on. It’s that their traditional society is gone forever but they are congenitally incompatible with modern life.

    Honestly the best prospect for aborigines is a genuinely caring white paternalism. Unfortunately the Left is in love with virtue signalling more than they like fixing things and the Right are scaredy cats afraid of the word ‘racist’.

    And on the topic of intelligence, too many whites lack the intelligence and wisdom to understand that taking responsibility for the plight of aborigines means taking control.
     
    Good post.

    This is , IMHO, of a peculiar importance:

    It’s that their traditional society is gone forever but they are congenitally incompatible with modern life.
     
    and applies to many other groups in West.

    The prevalent dogma is to preserve, as much as possible, "native" culture.
    At the same time that very culture is incompatible with the modern society.

    It's schizophrenic, actually. Can't find another explanation, for true believers, that is.

    If only those pushing for it were paying the price for that lunacy. The problem is, they push it onto all of the society.

    The desire to “preserve native culture” while remaining at the cusp of Western culture as Leftist intellectuals, is as bourgeois and hypocritical a Leftist tenet as there can be. It’s a sentimental reaction, half of it born from cultural emptiness, and half of it from the pure sense of bourgeois novelty. Akin to the vegans who want to keep all animals alive because their particular cats give them the fuzzies, nonwithstanding the fact that their cats are in effect personal slaves to them (if not the reverse, them being slaves to the cat, which is worse of course).

    All those lefty intellectuals, how not to love them. In Andean South America they love visiting the jungle tribes, or the highland valleys, get sick from all the bad water, overspend like crazy at natural resorts and/or nativewear that is significantly overpriced just for them – the same shoes or hats or ponchos sold between natives, and the same beach tours, themselves cost much less for locals. They do much more drugs and alcohol in those trips than said natives ever will in their lives, while gorging on much more food than the average native thanks to exchange rates – yet they often talk when they come back about their “enlightening experiences” (ayahuasca/peyote trip nonwithstanding). And then said lefty individuals rail against every Western corporation that they perceive overcharges or treats animals unfairly, while natives kill every being on sight if and how needed be; in the Andes they eat guinea pigs by impaling them and braising them over the fire, make soups with animal blood, and shoot endangered condors if they mess with their livestock. Not to mention, the harsh corporal punishment justice system they have, which Auschwitz guards would have liked; a petty thief gets 50 whips with harsh poisonous ivy in front of the populace. All of this is treated as “ooh so exotic” by leftists who wouldn’t dare to live that way ever.

    Thus I agree. If you really are for preserving such a distinct culture, keep it separated from yours.

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  • @Not_One_of_You
    Greene's book was published in 1955 and the book uses Greene's experiences as a war correspondent for The Times and Le Figaro in French Indochina 1951–1954. It is therefore anecdotal rather than fiction.

    I don't give a rat's ass if "decent employees" of the CIA feel insulted, bearing in mind the individuals involved are all dead in this case. I just hope they were cremated. It's an insult to the good earth to expect it to contain their remains and deservedly they should be rated in history alongside Stalin's henchmen and Hitler's camp guards.

    Denial is ultimately an unsatisfying remedy for shame and disgrace, especially when denial sits in uncomfortable juxtaposition with hard evidence. I don't mean shame and disgrace in respect of the US defeat (by which I mean forced withdrawal). The war was fought with valor on both sides

    America was still great during the Vietnam War and the greatness of the American public and their sense of fairness and decency was instrumental in the outcome. That was Vietnam.

    The outcome would have been much better for all Americans, even leftists, if the US hadn’t been forced to withdraw the way it did. Now the ghost of Vietnam haunts everyone, even when it shouldn’t.

    Not to mention, the present Vietnam is better by acquiring some degree of Westernization and some degree of freedom from their former CCP/CCCP handlers. Would it have been better if South Vietnam had won the war? Maybe, though Ho Chi Minh was perhaps too popular. It was a stupid war to get into anyway – and one that was started by the putative leftist American party. Originally American right wingers were isolationists – wouldn’t you prefer that?

    It’s funny what you say about the CIA – for what it’s worth, the same amount of “anecdotal evidence” used to be pointed all the time at the KGB, Mossad, the Elders of Zion, etc. There’s one thing called denial, and the other extreme, fantasy. As a South American, I’ve seen both ends – the CIA and US bipartisan think tanks love the elite parties, while pretty much every lefty was fed by the colleges which were in turn either ruled by Beijing- or Moscow- or Havana- funded student orgs and teachers’ unions and guerrillas and Marxist-Leninist movements (anecdotal evidence from dad who was in student government in a South American college in the messy 80s – he saw paramilitaries hunting dissidents, and on the other end, student groups getting classes shut at least half of the school year every year. FWIW).

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  • @Not_One_of_You
    Bobbi Sykes' mother has revealed that her father was an African-American soldier, Master-Sergeant Robert Barkley. Bobbi (born in 1943) never knew him.

    A person of color growing up in Townsville, Queensland (a military base) would have been assumed to be Aboriginal and would have identified herself as such.

    Bobbi had a fine intellect. Sykes received a PhD in Education from Harvard University in 1983. She distinguished herself by being an author, a journalist and an activist in indigenous rights struggles. In 1994 she was awarded the Australian Human Rights Medal.

    Her potential was somewhat unfulfilled, but she doesn't deserve to be smeared and her mother smeared by some anonymous dogshite blogger who can only imagine a pseudonym "anon" and whose only claim to anything at all is some distant past inheritance of albino genes.

    There are always the “successful” ones, aka the ones promoted to do agitprop because they can read the Manifesto properly and/0r read and write extensively. It’s often the case that these people tend to do better in less maths-influenced fields.
    And also, they almost always tend to be mixed. Indigenous “authors” and “leaders” among the Amerinds tend to always be Westernized to a good degree.

    Anonymous dogshite blogger describes all of us here, don’t feel superior – well, then again, you cannot help it.

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  • @Not_One_of_You
    I'll put it simply for you DFH.

    Europeans are more "tuned" intellectually by their heritage and upbringing to do IQ tests.

    The fact that genetic characteristics coincide with environmentally induced characteristics is unremarkable but not causal because genetic characteristics evolve over long timespans while environmental features can change within a few years.

    I very much doubt from the composition of Australian sports teams that they are better at sports. I have seen evidence that they, like eskimoes, are better than whites at the very specific task of spatial memory and navigation.
     
    Your doubt is irrelevant. Many indigenous athletes are at the top in games like football and some also have won Olympic medals. Dancers too and tennis players. They don't go in for sports like golf for obvious reasons (think ... Donald Chump!)

    The crux of your argument is “they’re not stupid, just different, and they will get better”.

    The key question is, how much better can they get? The Australian government has been far more generous than other guilty former colonizers, and while some advance has been achieved, yet most of the modern successful counterexamples you give are sports figures. And American blacks rule the NBA, what is the point? Cherrypicking goes both ways.

    Not to mention, if they are just different, why not just wall them off and leave them alone? Why the guilt trip about trying to “close the gap”, if there is no gap, just differences?

    PS.- All those sports, invented by Victorians ironically, in remembrance of earlier whites that built whole arenas for sports – as in, sport was valued THAT much. Same for dancing, a universal activity, but made into its current shape by the Western establishment (and brown and black rhythm as of late). Should the aborigines be grateful then that they were offered an exit to their poverty by the way of physical competitions that cater to their strengths?

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  • @Not_One_of_You
    Malthus was concerned with the fear of over-population by the dependent poor. Karl Marx referred to Malthus' thinking as "nothing more than a schoolboyish, superficial plagiary of De Foe, Sir James Steuart, Townsend, Franklin, Wallace".

    Nowadays, most nominally capitalist regimes regard population growth as intrinsic to financial growth but also regard non-productive groups and classes as adverse to financial growth.

    Hence the around 43 million Americans that live below the poverty line. It's not just the likes of Aborigines who are seen as deadweight on society and despised as deserving of their fate.

    As for the Hakkas you mention; "The Hakkas, sometimes Hakka Han, are Han Chinese people whose ancestral homes are chiefly in the Hakka-speaking provincial areas of Guangdong, Fujian, Jiangxi, Guangxi, Sichuan, Hunan, Zhejiang, Hainan and Guizhou".

    You may be thinking of Makassan fishermen from what is now Indonesia with whom Aborigines in the north of Australia traded, but on a friendly basis. The areas where European diseases erupted two years after the invasion of the First Fleet were right around Sydney, on the south east corner of Australia, where the First Fleet set up the colony and where there were definitely no "Hakkas" and no other outside carriers of pestilence either.

    And yet those Americans live better than any aborigine.
    And the equivalent of aborigines in other parts of the world, whether colonized by whites or not, always live terribly. Black and Asian pastoralists were displaced by agricultural people of their own color in the first place.
    Fair enough about historical tragedies – can they stunt a population forever, however?
    I cannot help but feel sympathy (as a descendant of both conquistadors and their enslaved Amerindians). Also, IQ differences are more noticeable on extremes of the curve, most people are similarly enough to each other – not without problems, but fair enough. But, if every single problem is the fault of events of centuries ago and money and guilt thrown at it moves the needle and closes the gap way too slowly if at all, then I don’t know what to tell you. I can only offer the anecdotal evidence I have from Amerindians – better to leave them to their own devices, to let them have what they value; rather than impose artificial Western lifestyle and/or pretend that inside each one of them there is a globalist techie dying to get out.
    Also… Malthus a schoolboy but Marx not?

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  • @Rich
    Again, and probably for the one millionth time, there is no separate IQ test of Ashkenazi Jews that shows them having a higher IQ than other European groups. Ashkenazi have never been separated out for a test and all reports of their high IQ's are based on estimates, including the one by everybody's favorite IQ specialist, Richard Lynne.

    While I am highly skeptical of the putative ‘inherent genius’ of Ashkenazim, the social strategies of their cognitive elites has almost-certainly resulted in a higher degree of cognitive bifurcation than has occurred in the rest of the human herd.

    They have been actively pursuing strategic assortative mating since at least the early Middle Ages – with rabbi’s sons marrying successful merchant’s daughters and so forth.

    What this means is that the Ashkenazi cognitive élite is rarer than, and likely has more raw cognitive grunt than, the ‘run of the mill’ Western élite.

    Below the elite, though, it’s fuckwits all the way down. Examine anyone who ties a box to his head and rocks like a mental patient mumbling Iron Age nonsense… if you get a score above 90 then he’s faking his faith.

    People who get tumescent about groupwise IQ always note that being part of Western society makes dusky folks smarter (both as a result of self-selection for immigrants, and better nutrition and social infrastructure for their offspring).

    Indians (‘curry’, not ‘redskin’) in the US are 13 IQ points higher than Indians in India; Africans in the US and the UK are similarly-elevated relative to African-Africans.

    Why is this logic not applied to the Red Sea Pedestrians?

    So someone needs to show me the average IQ of a run-of-the-mill shtetl-dwelling Ukrainian/Moldovan/Bellorussian village dweller… I would be surprised if that’s any different from the score of an Irish peasant from the 1950s.

    Find me some hovel-dwellers from the Caucasus, and give them a one-shot go at the Raven’s PMs – no test prep, and none of this “retest till you get above 120, bubelah” bullshit.
    .

    Now with all that said, there does appear to be some literature that gives an empirical basis for the “Urban Westernised Ashkenazim are groupwise-smarter than Urban Gentiles” trope.

    I don’t like this “propagandise for an entire population using metrics obtained from a subset. Subsetting is almost prima facie evidence of intentional data-chicanery.

    Anyone who graduates above the median in a university degree in a non-hobby discipline can be assumed to have an IQ above 120 – and I can say with certainty that the average IQ of double-degree’d part-Maori econometricians who weigh over 104kg; can code in Python and R; and have an uncle who is a cardiologist… is at least 138 (and Uncle Murray’s IQ is probably higher than mine – and he’s trwice as much Maori as I am… so “Maori confers additional IQ points“, at least for N=2) .

    Anyhow – back to the empirical literature for Brainy-Joos, such as it is: for example –

    Lynn & Longley, “On the high intelligence and cognitive achievements of Jews in Britain“, Intelligence Volume 34, Issue 6, November–December 2006, pp 541-547 and

    te Nijenhuis et al., “Spearman’s hypothesis tested on European Jews vs non-Jewish Whites and vs Oriental Jews: Two meta-analyses“, Intelligence Volume 44, May–June 2014, Pages 15-18

    Thankfully, a smart Russian shiksa invented sci-hub.tw , so we can all get those papers by pasting the DOI link into that site. (I haven’t put the DOI links in the references: that would probably be a violation of the TOS of my carrier, and I’m not using a VPN to post this).

    However the groupwise smartness is not the 1-full-σ (i.e., 15 IQ points) that the Red Sea Pedestrians bray about: it’s half that.

    The two samples (of teenagers tested a single time) in Lynn & Longley give an average Jewish IQ in the UK of 107-108 – and then, for some reason, the Lynn paper pads that out to 110 by saying that cognitive elite US Jews are all up in the upper echelons of smarties-clubs. Fucking DUH, Fred.

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  • @bondi lifesaver
    But at least we 'gut our shut togither' eh? What was it, a toothbrush fence? Yeah come see the toothbrush fence. I'll see your cabbage tree and raise you a cicada, this is how we do a Hakka mate:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDvH7O6Lbtg

    Evil cicadas win every time. (Yes Crowded House are a fantastic band and Peter Jackson is a great director of fullums, so I'll grant you those).

    Oh and aborigines have their faults but they are also very talented observers and with animals, and in sport, and they love football. REAL football.

    hahaha… as a Pakeha Hori Kiwi Strayan, I can put shit on the lot of you (always stipulating that there is no mechanism in the universe that would induce me to back the Wobblies over the All Blacks).

    A joke suffices.

    A Kiwi and an Aussie were walking along, and they spotted a sheep with its head stuck in a fence.

    Quick as a flash, the Kiwi was all over the sheep, and gave it a good seeing to.

    Not being one to be selfish, the Kiwi turned to the Aussie, grinned, and said

    “OK, digger – your turn now”

    The Aussie went and stuck his head in the fence.

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  • @Cowboy Shaw
    As a New Zealander, and therefore a leading expert on 'Aussies', my theory is that humans are not designed to live on such a sun-baked continent, and eventually all go 'troppo'. It is likely that the sun fries the cerebral cortex and reduces man to a sort of lizard state, which we see most clearly in the form of the Australian cricket team - but I will admit, my science is rather rudimentary at this stage, and full publication of the theory on Unz may be some time away.

    Kia Ora, cuz!

    As a fellow Kiwi (who has lived among the Strayans for 45 years now – with some short sanity-breaks in the 70s and 00s), I can confirm your intuitions.

    My first 4 years in Straya were spent slap-bang in the middle of the Northern Territory (in Tennant Creek) in the early 1970s. I went to school with blackfellas who self-referred as ‘blackfella’, and who absolutely hated mixed-race abo kids (“yellafellas”, in the vernacular).

    The word ‘blackfella’ was not a pejorative, although as a part-Maori kid I was jealous that the abo kids got to bunk off school if they felt like (rumour was that their parents got $5 a day if the kid went to school: that was a prince’s ransom in those days).

    In the late 70s I lived in Cairns; again, plenty of yellafella kids (but you were for the high-jump if you called them that within earshot of teachers), but not many blackfella kids. A few though – most of whom were my best mates.

    Talk of low blackfella IQ is bullshit: it’s the same flawed approach that measured Irish IQ in the 80s in 1950… by 2015 the Paddies had an average IQ of 105.

    Back on topic though.

    Strayans definitely go troppo (especially if they live north of Innisfail) – the proof is straightforward: if a Kiwi goes troppo, then it stands to reason that an Aussie must, too (since Kiwis were drawn from superior free-English, non-criminal stock).

    And guess what? My Dad’s sister (Yvonne) lived in Innisfail from the 60s onward… and wound up as mad as a cut snake. (Dad’s the pakeha side of the family).

    QED, bitchez!

    Ka Kite Ano, bro.

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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    And yet it would seem the average white Australian is more intelligent than the descendants of the lowest class of British settler to populate the U.S. - the ”Scots-Irish” from the England/Scotland border region. Maybe since the environment of Australia was much harsher than that of Appalachia, there were more eugenic pressures on the early Australians, so that the more intelligent ones were more likely to breed.

    Parody, my friend. I take each individual, regardless of ethnicity or origin, as I find them.

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  • @TKK
    The Japanese terrorized and slaughtered both residents of Papua New Guniea and in Kalimantan (Indonesia) in WWII in POW camps. Natives of the Australian land mass are closely related to the PNG natives that includes the "Rascals"gangs in Port Moresby who are lawless criminals who take no prisoners. Indeed, roaming around PNG without an armed guard is considered a fool's errand.

    This is why elderly Indonesia women in the late 1990s (when I was there) would give Japanese tourists the evil eye and refuse to cook their food. They remembered the Japanese torturing, starving and beating them in the POW camps.

    Where have any Jews ever committed genocide? They show super human restraint with the savages from the Strip who NO ONE in the Arab world wants.

    Jews have genocided at minimum 7m russian/ukrainian kulaks during holodomor, and, Genoch Hersch Yehuda was writing reports about the numders dead to Kagan and Stalin.
    Then we have seen some GULAGs ( gossudarstvennoje upravljanje lagerej), where in the north during the works on the channel, have been tortured and exterminated 300k russian clergymen, together with one million of their family relatives.

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  • @Meimou

    The Race and Intelligence book is long discredited and Andrew Bolt is a RWNJ.
    You fail to mention Aboriginal people
     
    Even if this was true race is real and the races differ in intelligence. You do ndon't need a study to know this.


    What does RWNJ mean? Racist White Nationalist Jew?

    Right wing nut job

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  • @Rich
    Again, and probably for the one millionth time, there is no separate IQ test of Ashkenazi Jews that shows them having a higher IQ than other European groups. Ashkenazi have never been separated out for a test and all reports of their high IQ's are based on estimates, including the one by everybody's favorite IQ specialist, Richard Lynne.

    “…what’s so special about being “chosen” if it means eternal “poysikyooshun.” Is persistent playing of the victim card really all that “smart..?”

    Yes it is. If you want to parasitize on a society and control it (from behind the scenes), then it is expedient to appear much weaker than you really are. Appearing to be the eternal victim of persecution does the trick. This is called “mimicry” in biology.

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  • @LizardOfOz
    RWNJ = right wing nut job

    RWNJ = right wing nut job, said the LWNJ.

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  • Not that the Russian flatheads didn’t “steal” a ton of land from central Asian abos, mind you.

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  • Just because the aboriginals have a low IQ doesn’t mean they are retarded. They evolved to adapt to their environments just like all living things in this world. What is the IQ of lions? 5?, 10 if that? Does that mean lions are retarded?

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  • It’s an ecological thing. Hunter gatherers, nomads, agricultural civilizations, these things can’t share space. White-haters, darkie-lovers, Russian flatheads like FB, etc., they aren’t bright enough to know they’re “retconning” the values of an agricultural civilization onto the other kinds when they talk about “stealing land from the abos” or whatever. Whitey no more stole Australia and the Americas from the aboriginals than the aboriginals stole it in the first place. That’s how land ownership is established in hunter-gatherer and nomad societies; whichever band/tribe can defend a territory is the owner. If another group comes along and drives them off, the newcomers are the new owners. This is obviously the law that governed the aboriginals’ reality. More of a physical or natural law than any mans’. By the aboriginals’ own customs, Whitey is now the rightful owner.

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    Agreed, and would go even farther and say that "whichever band/tribe can defend a territory is the owner" applied to pretty much every culture up until we made enough weaponry/deterrance/mutual profit to minimize border and internal warfare post WW2. Therefore, you cannot retroactively apply modern human rights and standards of "not stealing land" on older situations that have been resolved to one end for generations, since the modern world's boundaries are currently enforced by total war, MAD, and relatively larger states (with larger dependence on peaceful foreign trade - the type and degree is another subject, that can go wrong too) with heavier internal policing. None of those things existed, or did in a much lesser degree, during the Age of Western Discovery/Expansion.

    Whenever you do try retconning, you can only do so in relatively lesser matters, for example teaching natives their ancestral languages - they will still have to learn to read and write, something that for example nearly no Amerinds did up until 500 years ago in any language. The evil priests of all people were the first to teach them, thus keeping their languages alive (if only as a side effect of forced conversion, but still).

    Besides, this standard of "no land stealing" is applied in schizophrenic ways, only to convenience of the globalist elite really - for example, most of the Western world considers Kosovo a nation (its current boundaries set up as an autonomous province under Tito a few decades ago), or desires Catalonia or Scotland to be independent states because they last were independent centuries ago but pledge to love the EU (or the euro, rather). Meanwhile we don't mind the Afrikaner being displaced from land they have been at for several generations, because the descendants of West African Bantus had invaded before that and feel aggrieved they don't have total domination over the Bushmen and pygmies as they used to...
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  • [Paint poured over Captain Cook amid controversy over date of Australia Day, by Jonathan Pearlman, Telegraph, UK, January 25, 2018]’”

    We should have people of British stock writing in UK papers about Australian issues, not people with names like (((Jonathan Pearlman))).

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  • Here’s your answer, Paul. It’s worth remembering too that nobody forced you to read it. Cheers

    Overview
    Alternative media outlets of the Left and Right have become a crucial supplement to our knowledge of the world, providing those perspectives usually ignored by our mainstream media. This small webzine will aim to provide convenient access to at least a fraction of those voices and topics.

    Masthead
    Editor-in-Chief and Publisher: Ron Unz

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    Mission Statement
    For decades I have spent a couple of hours every morning carefully reading The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and several other major newspapers. But although such a detailed study of the American mainstream media is a necessary condition for remaining informed about our world, it is not sufficient. With the rise of the Internet and the alternative media, every thinking individual has increasingly recognized that there exist enormous lacunae in what our media tells us and disturbing patterns in what is regularly ignored or concealed.

    In April 2013 I published “Our American Pravda,” a major article highlighting some of the most disturbing omissions of our national media in issues of the greatest national importance. The considerable attention it attracted from The Atlantic, Forbes, and a New York Times economics columnist demonstrated that the mainstream journalists themselves were often all too aware of these problems, but perhaps found them too difficult to address within the confining structure of large media organizations. This reinforced my belief in the reality of the serious condition I had diagnosed.

    In an attempt to partially remedy this disturbing situation I will be regularly publishing on this website a selection of the sort of interesting, important, and controversial perspectives that rarely if ever reach the pages of our major newspapers or the pixels of our television sets. The handful of columnists and bloggers whose work I am herein providing represent merely the smallest slice of the enormous range of unconventional ideas that lie just a mouse-click or a Google search away from each of us, and my particular selection is certainly not intended to be comprehensive. But over the years I have regularly read the writings of all these individuals and found their ideas stimulating and useful, and I believe that many others might have the same reaction.

    This is not to say that I personally agree with all or even most of what these writers believe or claim. However, sometimes the most valuable insights are obtained by reading opinions sharply divergent from one’s own. Facing a sharp intellectual or ideological challenge forces us to more effectively frame our arguments and buttress the weaknesses in our logic and evidence that had previously remained unnoticed. Taking the measure of an effective critic is always more valuable than listening to a mindless echo. And I would always prefer reading something disturbing than something dull.

    Ron Unz, Editor-in-Chief and Publisher
    The Unz Review: An Alternative Media Selection

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  • What is UNZ doing, printing this vicious, stupid and disgusting piece of dreck by this moron, racist, redneck throwback? How do you justify allowing such a bone ignorant cretin to air his filthy idiot dogma on your site?

    Shame… Shame…

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  • @sarz
    I think you have it backwards. If you grasp, all at once, the proof of, say, the Pythagorean theorem, you are in the realm of intuition, the dreamtime, the realm of unitary insight. You can write out a proof, but there is more in the realm of pure insight, including the totality of mathematical truth, than can be rendered as proof, no matter what axioms you start from. Your insight is not in "this plane", where your proof is. Like Monsieur Jourdain who was astonished to learn he had been speaking prose all his life, you have been in the dreamtime.

    But you still are drinking petrol.

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  • I think you have it backwards. If you grasp, all at once, the proof of, say, the Pythagorean theorem, you are in the realm of intuition, the dreamtime, the realm of unitary insight. You can write out a proof, but there is more in the realm of pure insight, including the totality of mathematical truth, than can be rendered as proof, no matter what axioms you start from. Your insight is not in “this plane”, where your proof is. Like Monsieur Jourdain who was astonished to learn he had been speaking prose all his life, you have been in the dreamtime.

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    But you still are drinking petrol.
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  • @sarz
    Like too many discussions within the framework of what calls itself conservatism these days, this has a one-dimensional quality. If you want to grasp the value of aboriginal life a good place to start is the poetry of Judith Wright.

    There's not a word in this whole discussion about "dreamtime". There are states of consciousness that true conservatives should be familiar with. You've heard of Plato's metaphor of the cave? How about the German mystic Meister Eckhart? He wrote of being one with the mind of God as he creates this very moment. The incomprehensible marvel of aborigine tracking is connected with being in the dreamtime. What if the dreamtime is the heart of real value and the material world is just a prop? What is the real value of the intelligence that IQ measures?

    Perhaps there has been nothing worthy of the title of conservatism in America since the passing of Ralph Waldo Emerson. There is something to be said in favour of scurrying about the nuts and bolts of race and calculative intelligence. But it is far from the concerns of the real real world.

    Probably because the guy who originated the term “ego death” rejected it later as just fooling around. Don’t be rama rama. If you solve a problem on this plane using math then you have actually solved the problem, if you work wonders in the dreamtime you’re where you started.

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  • @Thomm
    Meh.... there are only 670,000 of them in the world. They don't matter (even to the rest of Australia).

    Is this your response to their political weaponization? “I’ll just explain to the nice man (bonus points if he’s Jewish) that population size is what makes a people important”?

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  • A small error: in the year 1770 neither Captain Cook nor any other European had a clue that Hawaii even existed.

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  • @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    Your post is wisdom.
    These are two utterly incompatible ways of life.
    Some bridge may be possible if we had much more of something like monasteries and if we gave children "classical" educations steeped deep in Plato that would give them a language to understand indigenous ways and cosmologies. Without that it is speaking across planets while one devours the other not realizing its doing the eating.

    Conservatives have more common ground with traditional, native ways than SJWs, by miles, but they can only perceive this when they drop the false god of mammon and study indigenous peoples of themselves and ignore self appointed new age interlocutors.

    There are allies to be had here for those who can see.

    Well said, sir!

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  • @occam strop
    occam's razor: abos are retard-monkeys. full stop.

    Jeenius quootes

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  • Like too many discussions within the framework of what calls itself conservatism these days, this has a one-dimensional quality. If you want to grasp the value of aboriginal life a good place to start is the poetry of Judith Wright.

    There’s not a word in this whole discussion about “dreamtime”. There are states of consciousness that true conservatives should be familiar with. You’ve heard of Plato’s metaphor of the cave? How about the German mystic Meister Eckhart? He wrote of being one with the mind of God as he creates this very moment. The incomprehensible marvel of aborigine tracking is connected with being in the dreamtime. What if the dreamtime is the heart of real value and the material world is just a prop? What is the real value of the intelligence that IQ measures?

    Perhaps there has been nothing worthy of the title of conservatism in America since the passing of Ralph Waldo Emerson. There is something to be said in favour of scurrying about the nuts and bolts of race and calculative intelligence. But it is far from the concerns of the real real world.

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    Probably because the guy who originated the term "ego death" rejected it later as just fooling around. Don't be rama rama. If you solve a problem on this plane using math then you have actually solved the problem, if you work wonders in the dreamtime you're where you started.
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  • anon[320] • Disclaimer says:

    The sportsmen that are trotted out as Aboriginal look pretty White to me, apart from a very few footballers.
    One part Aborigine who is rarely mentioned is high jumper Percy Hobson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Hobson_(athlete)

    In a letter to The Age in Melbourne c. 1990, he said that he was told by [Australian] Commonwealth Games officials in Perth in 1962, that if asked by the Press about his heritage, he was to say that he was of Indian descent. To confirm Aboriginality would be an express ticket off the team.

    He cleared 6’11” on his first jump, and the rest jumped for Silver. Not bad for a 20 year old standing 5’10”. He injured his shoulder later that year, and never competed again.

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  • @denk
    I've no idea about the abos [sic], but it seems the anglos have gone full retard....

    'China plans to stake a formal territorial claim over Australia, on the spurious basis that former Chinese President Hu Jintao, addressing the Australian parliament in 2003, said a Ming Dynasty voyager “discovered” and “settled” the continent in the 1420s. “China is using fake history to position itself to make a future claim over Australia,”

    A military standoff or engagement between the United States and China is quite possible in the foreseeable future,” Hamilton states. “It may be the only way to stop China annexing and controlling the entire South China Sea right down to the coast of Indonesia

    in the event of a war with China, local Chinese people, “citizens and non-citizens alike,” would “create ongoing and potentially severe civil strife” orchestrated by “the Chinese embassy in Canberra.
     
    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/08/hami-m08.html

    buahahahahaha


    P.s.
    persona non grata at the WSWS, ;-)

    Hamilton has a very wide readership in Oz,
    What does this says about white aussies IQ ?

    My guess is 50 Max !

    buahahhahaha

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  • @Not_One_of_You

    You just assert this again, yet actual studies of whites and non-whites raised in the same environment show that there are still different outcomes.
     
    I said heritage and upbringing. Environment is part of upbringing, heritage embodies evolution.

    I can’t see any full-blooded ones in the Australian national teams. This isn’t what you’d expect if they were ‘much better than whites’.
     
    If you can tell fullbloodedness by looking, good luck to you. The 3% of Australians who are indigenous are those who identify themselves as indigenous, which can mean any proportion of Aboriginal blood at all. Some who identify as Aboriginal are not accepted as such by the elders.

    That's what's so foolish about this article by Lance Welton. In an attempt to prove white supremacy he smears a people who no longer exist.

    Anyway, can't you use a search engine?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indigenous_Australian_sportspeople

    You're a big disgrace to the caucasian race.

    If you can tell fullbloodedness by looking, good luck to you

    Anyone with eyes can tell the more aboriginal from the less. Here is a video of some full-Aboriginals in action. Some of them certainly seem to exist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indigenous_Australian_sportspeople

    Very few of these are playing at a high level, and those that are seem to have a lot of admixture. Not what you would expect if they were much better. For example, blacks in the UK are a very small minority yet (full) blacks make up a hugely disproportionate number of the UK’s running teams.

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  • I’ve no idea about the abos [sic], but it seems the anglos have gone full retard….

    China plans to stake a formal territorial claim over Australia, on the spurious basis that former Chinese President Hu Jintao, addressing the Australian parliament in 2003, said a Ming Dynasty voyager “discovered” and “settled” the continent in the 1420s. “China is using fake history to position itself to make a future claim over Australia,”

    A military standoff or engagement between the United States and China is quite possible in the foreseeable future,” Hamilton states. “It may be the only way to stop China annexing and controlling the entire South China Sea right down to the coast of Indonesia

    in the event of a war with China, local Chinese people, “citizens and non-citizens alike,” would “create ongoing and potentially severe civil strife” orchestrated by “the Chinese embassy in Canberra.

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/08/hami-m08.html


    buahahahahaha

    P.s.
    persona non grata at the WSWS, ;-)

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    Hamilton has a very wide readership in Oz,
    What does this says about white aussies IQ ?

    My guess is 50 Max !

    buahahhahaha
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  • Peter,

    If you would look into it, you will find that at least one such site was reported in the literature and press, but research was shut down because ‘sacred site’.

    I should not have used the word ‘grave’, since that is also carrying the sense of ritual. Although there are even examples of Neanderthal graves, the oldest in Aust. is much later.

    Tried to find reference to the exact site (place), only read of it two or three times while in that country, and the third time was ‘sacred site, no more anthropological research’.

    Search terms I tried sure did find much noise!

    However, I did find a survey article which is inconclusive, but interesting. You will likely also finding it so.

    http://peterbrown-palaeoanthropology.net/AusOrigins.html

    I do not believe the ‘single recent out-of-Africa migration’ idea, have not for many years. Recent finding that east Asians, Europeans, some groups near them have a little neanderthal DNA; obviously the same must have been true for many of the other hominid groups and other present human populations.

    Perhaps by some groups, earlier, with proto-gorillas and proto-chimps.

    When overseas, I enjoyed reading lurid Cold-War propaganda. One claim was that the USSR had a programme of cross-breeding humans and chimps to make a new working class to serve the old one. Don’t know if it was true, but it is not out of the scope of what the worst of them may have tried, particularly on Russian women. My biggest doubt in the story is, how could the early USSR import the chimps?

    Tigers and lions diverged in roughly the same time-scale as humans and chimps, and they can still inter-breed, albeit the offspring (to date) are always infertile.

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  • You just assert this again, yet actual studies of whites and non-whites raised in the same environment show that there are still different outcomes.

    I said heritage and upbringing. Environment is part of upbringing, heritage embodies evolution.

    I can’t see any full-blooded ones in the Australian national teams. This isn’t what you’d expect if they were ‘much better than whites’.

    If you can tell fullbloodedness by looking, good luck to you. The 3% of Australians who are indigenous are those who identify themselves as indigenous, which can mean any proportion of Aboriginal blood at all. Some who identify as Aboriginal are not accepted as such by the elders.

    That’s what’s so foolish about this article by Lance Welton. In an attempt to prove white supremacy he smears a people who no longer exist.

    Anyway, can’t you use a search engine?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indigenous_Australian_sportspeople

    You’re a big disgrace to the caucasian race.

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    If you can tell fullbloodedness by looking, good luck to you
     
    Anyone with eyes can tell the more aboriginal from the less. Here is a video of some full-Aboriginals in action. Some of them certainly seem to exist.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBIubgsfK8E


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indigenous_Australian_sportspeople
     
    Very few of these are playing at a high level, and those that are seem to have a lot of admixture. Not what you would expect if they were much better. For example, blacks in the UK are a very small minority yet (full) blacks make up a hugely disproportionate number of the UK's running teams.
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  • @Not_One_of_You
    I'll put it simply for you DFH.

    Europeans are more "tuned" intellectually by their heritage and upbringing to do IQ tests.

    The fact that genetic characteristics coincide with environmentally induced characteristics is unremarkable but not causal because genetic characteristics evolve over long timespans while environmental features can change within a few years.

    I very much doubt from the composition of Australian sports teams that they are better at sports. I have seen evidence that they, like eskimoes, are better than whites at the very specific task of spatial memory and navigation.
     
    Your doubt is irrelevant. Many indigenous athletes are at the top in games like football and some also have won Olympic medals. Dancers too and tennis players. They don't go in for sports like golf for obvious reasons (think ... Donald Chump!)

    Europeans are more “tuned” intellectually by their heritage and upbringing to do IQ tests.

    You just assert this again, yet actual studies of whites and non-whites raised in the same environment show that there are sitll different outcomes.

    Many indigenous athletes are at the top in games like football and some also have won Olympic medals. Dancers too and tennis players.

    I can’t see any full-blooded ones in the Australian national teams. This isn’t what you’d expect if they were ‘much better than whites’.

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    Actually, an aboriginal cricket team toured England in 1868, back when England was near unbeatable. They acquitted themselves admirably. It's a great story and I can't understand why a film hasn't been made about it, yet.

    Golf, a sport. LOL.

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  • @dfordoom

    Aborigines excel in those areas for which their historic lifestyles adapted them. They are vastly better on average at sports than whites for example, which also requires brainpower.
     
    So that explains the Aboriginal dominance in cricket, professional golf, etc?

    They seem to be quite good at some sports.

    Actually, an aboriginal cricket team toured England in 1868, back when England was near unbeatable. They acquitted themselves admirably. It’s a great story and I can’t understand why a film hasn’t been made about it, yet.

    Golf, a sport. LOL.

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    http://www.nma.gov.au/online_features/defining_moments/featured/aboriginal_cricket_team
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  • @anon
    A person of color growing up in Townsville, Queensland (a military base) would have been assumed to be Aboriginal and would have identified herself as such.
    Maybe.
    In fact, her origins were known, i.e., she was the result of a liason between her White mother and a Black American G.I., who were stationed in Townsville in large numbers from 1942 to 1944.

    She was an agitator. Her obituary in The Australian stated that she had been in poor health for many years, lived in Sydney,and was a lesbian.

    She was an agitator. Her obituary in The Australian stated that she had been in poor health for many years, lived in Sydney,and was a lesbian.

    Who cares a flying fungool about all that. But anyway, Sykes is survived by two children and three grandchildren.

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  • @Sam J.
    Talking about the dysfunction of Aboriginals take a look at this guy. As you watch remember I didn't try to deceive you he claims to be an Aboriginal.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=04c_1466272874

    He's bringing in infected leaves into Australia. What he was bringing in could destroy all the Eucalyptus trees. Now are we to believe that the people like him who are so smart, so they say, would pack up infected leaves, just the leaves, and smuggle them in the country by accident? I believe he did this on purpose. I would have never thought such a thing before I became wise to people like him. I believe they do stuff like this all the time if they feel they can get away with it and harm anyone not like them. All their advice is rotten. If someone believes different then explain what he would be doing carefully packing up infected leaves?

    He wants to skip ahead in the customs line. He claims he’s an Aboriginal??? But you know what he is.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=04c_1466272874

    https://www.darkmoon.me/2015/anti-semitism-rears-its-ugly-head-at-sydney-airport/

    An interesting possibility is that promoting a low salt diet is an intentionally damaging policy by Jewish pressure groups. Salt is necessary for making stomach hydrochloric acid, needed for defence against parasites and bacteria etc; but also to increase body alkanity; and to provide some surplus sodium compounds which are needed for tough bone structure.

    .
    I don’t know that anyone has looked into the structure of anti-salt movement and would be interested in information.

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  • @anonymous
    wanted to rid Australia of its white population

    AFAIK the Japanese had no serious plans to invade Australia, let alone "wanting to rid Australia of its white population", 1942 allied propaganda notwithstanding. Do you have a source for all of these well-known plans for ethnic cleansing?

    However, it was their policy to eliminate the native Ainu. (though often through marriage) and they did it rather well. I doubt if you can find a real one today.

    Not sure what the complaint here is.. That the Ainu were assimilated? Just imagine if Europeans, Americans, and Australians could come even half-way close to assimilating their own diversity...

    AFAIK the Japanese had no serious plans to invade Australia

    An invasion of Australia would have been hopelessly beyond their capabilities.

    Do you have a source for all of these well-known plans for ethnic cleansing?

    They’d been our allies in the First World War (and would have continued to be allies had Britain not foolishly snubbed them by abandoning the Anglo-Japanese Treaty).

    The Japanese admired the European Great Powers, especially Britain, and wanted to emulate them. The ethnic cleansing thing seems very far-fetched.

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  • @Not_One_of_You
    Brainy’ people are not cleverer solely by virtue of having more or less grey matter at any one age. Rather, intelligence is related to properties of cortical maturation, which are dynamic.

    It has long been known that types of experience in life influence cortical thickness. A person who experiences new and challenging stimuli as they mature is likely to have a greater ability to process calculations and solve problems, as quickly as possible under time constraint stresses, which is what IQ tests are all about.

    The bottom line here is that intelligence was never, and will never, be fixed at birth. The development of intelligence is one of the most fascinating, and important, research topics in psychology.

    The child who is subject to learning stimulation and in particular to regular changing experiences similar to IQ testing, training and testing, will be more intelligent, at least in the way that IQ tests assess intelligence. The child born into rapid technological change and new experiences will develop the skills more and perform them faster.

    Aborigines developed their cultures and intellects in stable and unchanging subsistence environments, over thousands of years, logically requiring less mental processing power and hence fewer "drivers" of intellectual growth and stimulus. This has remained true to a degree because of racism, disadvantage and marginalisation over the decades.

    Aborigines excel in those areas for which their historic lifestyles adapted them. They are vastly better on average at sports than whites for example, which also requires brainpower.

    However, given the upbringing of middle class white children from stable and widely educated families, Aboriginal children show similar abilities and many have become outstanding people within the white paradigm. Not that the white paradigm is the best or even a good one.

    They are creatures of their societal origins, just like we are. We should not give ourselves credit for simply being ourselves within our certain societal era.

    Aborigines excel in those areas for which their historic lifestyles adapted them. They are vastly better on average at sports than whites for example, which also requires brainpower.

    So that explains the Aboriginal dominance in cricket, professional golf, etc?

    They seem to be quite good at some sports.

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    Actually, an aboriginal cricket team toured England in 1868, back when England was near unbeatable. They acquitted themselves admirably. It's a great story and I can't understand why a film hasn't been made about it, yet.

    Golf, a sport. LOL.

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  • @peterAUS

    I once read an old book which posited that Australian Aborigines, Dravidians in India, and the Bushmen in southern Africa were all products of the same earlier radiation. That the latter are not genetically related to Aborigines was a big surprise.

    If the writer or anyone with better knowledge will reply on these points, it would be appreciated.

    Finally, a thirty- or forty-thousand year-old grave was discovered in South Australia, containing mixed hominid types. I think there have been similar finds elsewhere in that land. Research on such finds was strictly forbidden many years ago, raising the obvious question, what is it that we must not be permitted to know?
     
    Pre-deluvian civilizations?

    An interesting topic guaranteed to invite an avalanche of derision, especially from scholars and experts.

    If....if there is a shred of truth there it would, let's say, adversely affect the current paradigm. All of it.
    Can't be done.

    A good thing is , well ,maybe there was a similar lunacy (idiots with nukes) before, and still the humans survived. Gives us some hope today.

    @PeterAUS – there are no nuclear weapons. They were manufacture by Jews though the ideas were copied from people like H G Wells.
    http://www.nukelies.org

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @songbird
    In many ways, the Japanese are an admirable people. Today, probably more pro-Europe than many Europeans.

    You, however, are making the rather silly mistake of confounding post-war, low fertility Japan with Malthusian Japan. Before industrialization, they didn't have what might be called the spirit of discovery, burning any foreign sailors that came ashore alive, outside of the tiny, remote, designated area. However, it was their policy to eliminate the native Ainu. (though often through marriage) and they did it rather well. I doubt if you can find a real one today.

    Japan's war plans are well known. They wanted to ethnically cleanse a giant swath of land across many countries in the Pacific. They thought they cold Japanize the Koreans, but they were the only ones. They saw the Chinese as untermenschen, and wanted to rid Australia of its white population. Do you really think they would have kept on the Aborigines?

    wanted to rid Australia of its white population

    AFAIK the Japanese had no serious plans to invade Australia, let alone “wanting to rid Australia of its white population”, 1942 allied propaganda notwithstanding. Do you have a source for all of these well-known plans for ethnic cleansing?

    However, it was their policy to eliminate the native Ainu. (though often through marriage) and they did it rather well. I doubt if you can find a real one today.

    Not sure what the complaint here is.. That the Ainu were assimilated? Just imagine if Europeans, Americans, and Australians could come even half-way close to assimilating their own diversity…

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    AFAIK the Japanese had no serious plans to invade Australia
     
    An invasion of Australia would have been hopelessly beyond their capabilities.

    Do you have a source for all of these well-known plans for ethnic cleansing?
     
    They'd been our allies in the First World War (and would have continued to be allies had Britain not foolishly snubbed them by abandoning the Anglo-Japanese Treaty).

    The Japanese admired the European Great Powers, especially Britain, and wanted to emulate them. The ethnic cleansing thing seems very far-fetched.
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  • @anon
    Not sure about that. Wikipedia claimed a few years ago that the Ainu numbers in Hokkaido had dropped from 300,000 in 1942 to about 10,000 in 1943, without giving any explanation for such a dramatic decrease.

    Perhaps you could cite a legitimate source, whether in English or Japanese, saying “Ainu numbers in Hokkaido had dropped from 300,000 in 1942 to about 10,000 in 1943″…..

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  • @DFH

    The bottom line here is that intelligence was never, and will never, be fixed at birth. The development of intelligence is one of the most fascinating, and important, research topics in psychology.
     
    Intelligence isn't 100% genetic. And?

    The child who is subject to learning stimulation and in particular to regular changing experiences similar to IQ testing, training and testing, will be more intelligent, at least in the way that IQ tests assess intelligence. The child born into rapid technological change and new experiences will develop the skills more and perform them faster.
     
    We know from adoption and twin studies that environment doesn't explain the whole, or even most of racial gaps.


    Aborigines developed their cultures and intellects in stable and unchanging subsistence environments, over thousands of years, logically requiring less mental processing power and hence fewer “drivers” of intellectual growth and stimulus.
     
    Well done, you know what evolution is.


    Aborigines excel in those areas for which their historic lifestyles adapted them. They are vastly better on average at sports than whites for example, which also requires brainpower.
     
    I very much doubt from the composition of Australian sports teams that they are better at sports. I have seen evidence that they, like eskimoes, are better than whites at the very specific task of spatial memory and navigation.


    Not that the white paradigm is the best or even a good one.
     
    You're right, the hunter-gather paradigm without even agriculture let alone writing is the superior one.


    They are creatures of their societal origins, just like we are. We should not give ourselves credit for simply being ourselves within our certain societal era.
     
    Wow, how profound.

    I’ll put it simply for you DFH.

    Europeans are more “tuned” intellectually by their heritage and upbringing to do IQ tests.

    The fact that genetic characteristics coincide with environmentally induced characteristics is unremarkable but not causal because genetic characteristics evolve over long timespans while environmental features can change within a few years.

    I very much doubt from the composition of Australian sports teams that they are better at sports. I have seen evidence that they, like eskimoes, are better than whites at the very specific task of spatial memory and navigation.

    Your doubt is irrelevant. Many indigenous athletes are at the top in games like football and some also have won Olympic medals. Dancers too and tennis players. They don’t go in for sports like golf for obvious reasons (think … Donald Chump!)

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    Europeans are more “tuned” intellectually by their heritage and upbringing to do IQ tests.

     

    You just assert this again, yet actual studies of whites and non-whites raised in the same environment show that there are sitll different outcomes.

    Many indigenous athletes are at the top in games like football and some also have won Olympic medals. Dancers too and tennis players.
     
    I can't see any full-blooded ones in the Australian national teams. This isn't what you'd expect if they were 'much better than whites'.
    , @Disordered
    The crux of your argument is "they're not stupid, just different, and they will get better".

    The key question is, how much better can they get? The Australian government has been far more generous than other guilty former colonizers, and while some advance has been achieved, yet most of the modern successful counterexamples you give are sports figures. And American blacks rule the NBA, what is the point? Cherrypicking goes both ways.

    Not to mention, if they are just different, why not just wall them off and leave them alone? Why the guilt trip about trying to "close the gap", if there is no gap, just differences?

    PS.- All those sports, invented by Victorians ironically, in remembrance of earlier whites that built whole arenas for sports - as in, sport was valued THAT much. Same for dancing, a universal activity, but made into its current shape by the Western establishment (and brown and black rhythm as of late). Should the aborigines be grateful then that they were offered an exit to their poverty by the way of physical competitions that cater to their strengths?
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  • @Not_One_of_You
    Brainy’ people are not cleverer solely by virtue of having more or less grey matter at any one age. Rather, intelligence is related to properties of cortical maturation, which are dynamic.

    It has long been known that types of experience in life influence cortical thickness. A person who experiences new and challenging stimuli as they mature is likely to have a greater ability to process calculations and solve problems, as quickly as possible under time constraint stresses, which is what IQ tests are all about.

    The bottom line here is that intelligence was never, and will never, be fixed at birth. The development of intelligence is one of the most fascinating, and important, research topics in psychology.

    The child who is subject to learning stimulation and in particular to regular changing experiences similar to IQ testing, training and testing, will be more intelligent, at least in the way that IQ tests assess intelligence. The child born into rapid technological change and new experiences will develop the skills more and perform them faster.

    Aborigines developed their cultures and intellects in stable and unchanging subsistence environments, over thousands of years, logically requiring less mental processing power and hence fewer "drivers" of intellectual growth and stimulus. This has remained true to a degree because of racism, disadvantage and marginalisation over the decades.

    Aborigines excel in those areas for which their historic lifestyles adapted them. They are vastly better on average at sports than whites for example, which also requires brainpower.

    However, given the upbringing of middle class white children from stable and widely educated families, Aboriginal children show similar abilities and many have become outstanding people within the white paradigm. Not that the white paradigm is the best or even a good one.

    They are creatures of their societal origins, just like we are. We should not give ourselves credit for simply being ourselves within our certain societal era.

    The bottom line here is that intelligence was never, and will never, be fixed at birth. The development of intelligence is one of the most fascinating, and important, research topics in psychology.

    Intelligence isn’t 100% genetic. And?

    The child who is subject to learning stimulation and in particular to regular changing experiences similar to IQ testing, training and testing, will be more intelligent, at least in the way that IQ tests assess intelligence. The child born into rapid technological change and new experiences will develop the skills more and perform them faster.

    We know from adoption and twin studies that environment doesn’t explain the whole, or even most of racial gaps.

    Aborigines developed their cultures and intellects in stable and unchanging subsistence environments, over thousands of years, logically requiring less mental processing power and hence fewer “drivers” of intellectual growth and stimulus.

    Well done, you know what evolution is.

    Aborigines excel in those areas for which their historic lifestyles adapted them. They are vastly better on average at sports than whites for example, which also requires brainpower.

    I very much doubt from the composition of Australian sports teams that they are better at sports. I have seen evidence that they, like eskimoes, are better than whites at the very specific task of spatial memory and navigation.

    Not that the white paradigm is the best or even a good one.

    You’re right, the hunter-gather paradigm without even agriculture let alone writing is the superior one.

    They are creatures of their societal origins, just like we are. We should not give ourselves credit for simply being ourselves within our certain societal era.

    Wow, how profound.

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    I'll put it simply for you DFH.

    Europeans are more "tuned" intellectually by their heritage and upbringing to do IQ tests.

    The fact that genetic characteristics coincide with environmentally induced characteristics is unremarkable but not causal because genetic characteristics evolve over long timespans while environmental features can change within a few years.

    I very much doubt from the composition of Australian sports teams that they are better at sports. I have seen evidence that they, like eskimoes, are better than whites at the very specific task of spatial memory and navigation.
     
    Your doubt is irrelevant. Many indigenous athletes are at the top in games like football and some also have won Olympic medals. Dancers too and tennis players. They don't go in for sports like golf for obvious reasons (think ... Donald Chump!)
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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Not_One_of_You
    Bobbi Sykes' mother has revealed that her father was an African-American soldier, Master-Sergeant Robert Barkley. Bobbi (born in 1943) never knew him.

    A person of color growing up in Townsville, Queensland (a military base) would have been assumed to be Aboriginal and would have identified herself as such.

    Bobbi had a fine intellect. Sykes received a PhD in Education from Harvard University in 1983. She distinguished herself by being an author, a journalist and an activist in indigenous rights struggles. In 1994 she was awarded the Australian Human Rights Medal.

    Her potential was somewhat unfulfilled, but she doesn't deserve to be smeared and her mother smeared by some anonymous dogshite blogger who can only imagine a pseudonym "anon" and whose only claim to anything at all is some distant past inheritance of albino genes.

    A person of color growing up in Townsville, Queensland (a military base) would have been assumed to be Aboriginal and would have identified herself as such.
    Maybe.
    In fact, her origins were known, i.e., she was the result of a liason between her White mother and a Black American G.I., who were stationed in Townsville in large numbers from 1942 to 1944.

    She was an agitator. Her obituary in The Australian stated that she had been in poor health for many years, lived in Sydney,and was a lesbian.

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    She was an agitator. Her obituary in The Australian stated that she had been in poor health for many years, lived in Sydney,and was a lesbian.
     
    Who cares a flying fungool about all that. But anyway, Sykes is survived by two children and three grandchildren.
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  • @Anonymous
    The Japanese didn't wipe out the Ainu why would they have done this to the Aboriginals?

    Not sure about that. Wikipedia claimed a few years ago that the Ainu numbers in Hokkaido had dropped from 300,000 in 1942 to about 10,000 in 1943, without giving any explanation for such a dramatic decrease.

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    Perhaps you could cite a legitimate source, whether in English or Japanese, saying "Ainu numbers in Hokkaido had dropped from 300,000 in 1942 to about 10,000 in 1943".....
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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    I am surprised by that 1980 death of the last full blood in SE Queensland - though presumably not counting some from the north who had left their country for the SE. However I remember being told by a Minister or Shadow Minister for Aboriginal Affairs (tacked on to another job) in Victoria that there were only 3 or 5 Aborigines in Victoria. But wow! What a takeoff was under way. Now there are Koori schools, native title claims and I would bet at least 500 employed because of their Aboriginality.

    From memory, his surname was Mi Mi, a common name of people originating in the Gayndah area.
    He was a wudower, his wife had shared his heritage. Their only child, a daughter, had been a murder victim in the 1940s.
    The history of the Deebing Creek Mission [Purga] outside Ipswich, was that it was also an Industrial Arts Training School for Aborigines from all over Qld.
    Sometime in the 1940s, all part Aborigines were expelled from Purga by the Qld Government.
    That left only a few Full Bloods as residents, and the Government then closed it as unviable.

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  • Just an idea: the so called 60000 years old culture of aborigids needed more time to invent alcohol, music instrument and writing reading….

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  • @Not_One_of_You
    Brainy’ people are not cleverer solely by virtue of having more or less grey matter at any one age. Rather, intelligence is related to properties of cortical maturation, which are dynamic.

    It has long been known that types of experience in life influence cortical thickness. A person who experiences new and challenging stimuli as they mature is likely to have a greater ability to process calculations and solve problems, as quickly as possible under time constraint stresses, which is what IQ tests are all about.

    The bottom line here is that intelligence was never, and will never, be fixed at birth. The development of intelligence is one of the most fascinating, and important, research topics in psychology.

    The child who is subject to learning stimulation and in particular to regular changing experiences similar to IQ testing, training and testing, will be more intelligent, at least in the way that IQ tests assess intelligence. The child born into rapid technological change and new experiences will develop the skills more and perform them faster.

    Aborigines developed their cultures and intellects in stable and unchanging subsistence environments, over thousands of years, logically requiring less mental processing power and hence fewer "drivers" of intellectual growth and stimulus. This has remained true to a degree because of racism, disadvantage and marginalisation over the decades.

    Aborigines excel in those areas for which their historic lifestyles adapted them. They are vastly better on average at sports than whites for example, which also requires brainpower.

    However, given the upbringing of middle class white children from stable and widely educated families, Aboriginal children show similar abilities and many have become outstanding people within the white paradigm. Not that the white paradigm is the best or even a good one.

    They are creatures of their societal origins, just like we are. We should not give ourselves credit for simply being ourselves within our certain societal era.

    Define cortical maturity? Myelination from brain plasticity? What makes you think that if long/short twitch fibers in muscle tissue is genetically influenced, that neural connectivity isn’t? There is even a causal mechanism: plasticity is influenced by hormones, hormones are genetically influenced (most obviously in sex hormones but also others).

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  • @DFH

    As for IQ tests, the ones used by the British to assess native peoples were notoriously culturally specific.
     
    Good thing then that the studies Lynn bases his estimates on are almost all from the 1960s onwards. The tests conducted using Progressive Matrices produced sub-70 IQ scores for aborigines.

    You might be interested to know that in another study, Lynn had anthropologists rate which IQ subtests they thought were the most culturally biased. The ones they rated as most biased (like vocabulary) turned out to be the ones with the smallest racial differences.

    Brainy’ people are not cleverer solely by virtue of having more or less grey matter at any one age. Rather, intelligence is related to properties of cortical maturation, which are dynamic.

    It has long been known that types of experience in life influence cortical thickness. A person who experiences new and challenging stimuli as they mature is likely to have a greater ability to process calculations and solve problems, as quickly as possible under time constraint stresses, which is what IQ tests are all about.

    The bottom line here is that intelligence was never, and will never, be fixed at birth. The development of intelligence is one of the most fascinating, and important, research topics in psychology.

    The child who is subject to learning stimulation and in particular to regular changing experiences similar to IQ testing, training and testing, will be more intelligent, at least in the way that IQ tests assess intelligence. The child born into rapid technological change and new experiences will develop the skills more and perform them faster.

    Aborigines developed their cultures and intellects in stable and unchanging subsistence environments, over thousands of years, logically requiring less mental processing power and hence fewer “drivers” of intellectual growth and stimulus. This has remained true to a degree because of racism, disadvantage and marginalisation over the decades.

    Aborigines excel in those areas for which their historic lifestyles adapted them. They are vastly better on average at sports than whites for example, which also requires brainpower.

    However, given the upbringing of middle class white children from stable and widely educated families, Aboriginal children show similar abilities and many have become outstanding people within the white paradigm. Not that the white paradigm is the best or even a good one.

    They are creatures of their societal origins, just like we are. We should not give ourselves credit for simply being ourselves within our certain societal era.

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    Define cortical maturity? Myelination from brain plasticity? What makes you think that if long/short twitch fibers in muscle tissue is genetically influenced, that neural connectivity isn't? There is even a causal mechanism: plasticity is influenced by hormones, hormones are genetically influenced (most obviously in sex hormones but also others).
    , @DFH

    The bottom line here is that intelligence was never, and will never, be fixed at birth. The development of intelligence is one of the most fascinating, and important, research topics in psychology.
     
    Intelligence isn't 100% genetic. And?

    The child who is subject to learning stimulation and in particular to regular changing experiences similar to IQ testing, training and testing, will be more intelligent, at least in the way that IQ tests assess intelligence. The child born into rapid technological change and new experiences will develop the skills more and perform them faster.
     
    We know from adoption and twin studies that environment doesn't explain the whole, or even most of racial gaps.


    Aborigines developed their cultures and intellects in stable and unchanging subsistence environments, over thousands of years, logically requiring less mental processing power and hence fewer “drivers” of intellectual growth and stimulus.
     
    Well done, you know what evolution is.


    Aborigines excel in those areas for which their historic lifestyles adapted them. They are vastly better on average at sports than whites for example, which also requires brainpower.
     
    I very much doubt from the composition of Australian sports teams that they are better at sports. I have seen evidence that they, like eskimoes, are better than whites at the very specific task of spatial memory and navigation.


    Not that the white paradigm is the best or even a good one.
     
    You're right, the hunter-gather paradigm without even agriculture let alone writing is the superior one.


    They are creatures of their societal origins, just like we are. We should not give ourselves credit for simply being ourselves within our certain societal era.
     
    Wow, how profound.
    , @dfordoom

    Aborigines excel in those areas for which their historic lifestyles adapted them. They are vastly better on average at sports than whites for example, which also requires brainpower.
     
    So that explains the Aboriginal dominance in cricket, professional golf, etc?

    They seem to be quite good at some sports.
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  • @Not_One_of_You
    On 19 February 1942, a damaged Japanese Zero fighter returning from an attack on an aerodrome on nearby Bathurst Island crashed near Snake Bay on Melville Island. The Japanese pilot, Hajime Toyoshima, survived the crash, but an Aboriginal man Mathias Ulungura crept up behind him, surprising him with a tomahawk, and took him prisoner. In Ulungura's words:

    “I walked after him and grabbed his wrist near gun. He got proper big fright. I take revolver from his right side near his knee. Then I walk backwards pointing gun, I say "Stick 'em up, two hands, no more holding hands on head."

    Ulungura was the first Australian to take a Japanese prisoner on Australian soil. He took his prisoner to the RAAF guards stationed at the Bathurst Island aerodrome, where Toyashima was transferred into their custody.

    Right there was courage and initiative from a full-blood man, acting alone, as well as understanding of the geopolitical situation and context.

    As for IQ tests, the ones used by the British to assess native peoples were notoriously culturally specific.

    One question for example was "What is a word that can mean both a bird and a dishonest act".





    The answer is a "Rook".

    Imagine determining that native peoples are "stupid" because they didn't know things like that, or didn't even see the point of answering such stupid questions.

    As for IQ tests, the ones used by the British to assess native peoples were notoriously culturally specific.

    Good thing then that the studies Lynn bases his estimates on are almost all from the 1960s onwards. The tests conducted using Progressive Matrices produced sub-70 IQ scores for aborigines.

    You might be interested to know that in another study, Lynn had anthropologists rate which IQ subtests they thought were the most culturally biased. The ones they rated as most biased (like vocabulary) turned out to be the ones with the smallest racial differences.

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    Brainy’ people are not cleverer solely by virtue of having more or less grey matter at any one age. Rather, intelligence is related to properties of cortical maturation, which are dynamic.

    It has long been known that types of experience in life influence cortical thickness. A person who experiences new and challenging stimuli as they mature is likely to have a greater ability to process calculations and solve problems, as quickly as possible under time constraint stresses, which is what IQ tests are all about.

    The bottom line here is that intelligence was never, and will never, be fixed at birth. The development of intelligence is one of the most fascinating, and important, research topics in psychology.

    The child who is subject to learning stimulation and in particular to regular changing experiences similar to IQ testing, training and testing, will be more intelligent, at least in the way that IQ tests assess intelligence. The child born into rapid technological change and new experiences will develop the skills more and perform them faster.

    Aborigines developed their cultures and intellects in stable and unchanging subsistence environments, over thousands of years, logically requiring less mental processing power and hence fewer "drivers" of intellectual growth and stimulus. This has remained true to a degree because of racism, disadvantage and marginalisation over the decades.

    Aborigines excel in those areas for which their historic lifestyles adapted them. They are vastly better on average at sports than whites for example, which also requires brainpower.

    However, given the upbringing of middle class white children from stable and widely educated families, Aboriginal children show similar abilities and many have become outstanding people within the white paradigm. Not that the white paradigm is the best or even a good one.

    They are creatures of their societal origins, just like we are. We should not give ourselves credit for simply being ourselves within our certain societal era.
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  • EH says:

    “the average [64 IQ] 18-year-old Aborigine has the mental age of 11.”
    You can’t multiply 0.64 by 18 to get 11 (11.52 to be exact) since modern IQ scores are not age ratios. Looking up the numbers for a representative subtest (block rotation) in an IQ battery (Woodcock-Johnson) since the full-test data isn’t released by publishers, I found the actual equivalent of an adult IQ of 64 is age 5.5 to 6.

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  • For an Australian, this is an interesting article and discussion. It’s a real mixture of things I didn’t know and things that are hard to believe.

    “Average IQ of 64″ is hard to believe. I have not schooled myself in the nuances of low IQ, but IQ 64 would mean that the average Aboriginal is retarded. Even allowing for the fact that most of the Aboriginals I meet are mixed-race, it’s very hard to believe.

    On the other hand, I also would not have believed that a quarter of our prison population is Aboriginal, and yet that does come directly from official statistics. So, a lot to think about here.

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  • @anon
    Bobbi Sykes' White mother mudsharked with Black servicemen in Townsville in 1942.
    Sykes later became an agitator, allegedly on behalf of Aborigines, but she wasn't an impostor.
    Angela Davis lookalike, very bitter, a lesbian as well.

    All the Aboriginal activists i know of appear to have been nurtured and promoted by the various communist Parties in Australia.

    Bobbi Sykes’ mother has revealed that her father was an African-American soldier, Master-Sergeant Robert Barkley. Bobbi (born in 1943) never knew him.

    A person of color growing up in Townsville, Queensland (a military base) would have been assumed to be Aboriginal and would have identified herself as such.

    Bobbi had a fine intellect. Sykes received a PhD in Education from Harvard University in 1983. She distinguished herself by being an author, a journalist and an activist in indigenous rights struggles. In 1994 she was awarded the Australian Human Rights Medal.

    Her potential was somewhat unfulfilled, but she doesn’t deserve to be smeared and her mother smeared by some anonymous dogshite blogger who can only imagine a pseudonym “anon” and whose only claim to anything at all is some distant past inheritance of albino genes.

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    A person of color growing up in Townsville, Queensland (a military base) would have been assumed to be Aboriginal and would have identified herself as such.
    Maybe.
    In fact, her origins were known, i.e., she was the result of a liason between her White mother and a Black American G.I., who were stationed in Townsville in large numbers from 1942 to 1944.

    She was an agitator. Her obituary in The Australian stated that she had been in poor health for many years, lived in Sydney,and was a lesbian.
    , @Disordered
    There are always the "successful" ones, aka the ones promoted to do agitprop because they can read the Manifesto properly and/0r read and write extensively. It's often the case that these people tend to do better in less maths-influenced fields.
    And also, they almost always tend to be mixed. Indigenous "authors" and "leaders" among the Amerinds tend to always be Westernized to a good degree.

    Anonymous dogshite blogger describes all of us here, don't feel superior - well, then again, you cannot help it.
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  • @Emu
    Aboriginal people were well fed and had sophisticated social structures allowing transcontinental trade and peaceful means of resolving conflict when colonists arrived with bibles and guns to steal their land. The arrival of whitey saw the population of Aboriginal population devastated, in less than a year, over half the indigenous population living in the Sydney Basin had died from smallpox. 65,000 years of traditional knowledge was lost in a few generations aided by the removal of children from the surviving families. The population resisted the invaders and were massacred.
    Read Dark Emu https://www.magabala.com/culture-and-history/dark-emu.html Review http://www.abc.net.au/local/audio/2014/03/17/3965103.htm
    Correlation does not equal causation, life expectancy, health outcomes and poor living conditions can be ascribed to dispossession and forced settlement into communities, and the change to a western diet.
    The Race and Intelligence book is long discredited and Andrew Bolt is a RWNJ.
    You fail to mention Aboriginal people with PhDs, in business or in parliament.
    This racist rant from someone outside Australia underlines the US's poor education standards and the drive to embed white privilege.
    Gaslighting and cherrypicking does not give you journalistic credibility and your publication here discredits Unz.

    On 19 February 1942, a damaged Japanese Zero fighter returning from an attack on an aerodrome on nearby Bathurst Island crashed near Snake Bay on Melville Island. The Japanese pilot, Hajime Toyoshima, survived the crash, but an Aboriginal man Mathias Ulungura crept up behind him, surprising him with a tomahawk, and took him prisoner. In Ulungura’s words:

    “I walked after him and grabbed his wrist near gun. He got proper big fright. I take revolver from his right side near his knee. Then I walk backwards pointing gun, I say “Stick ‘em up, two hands, no more holding hands on head.”

    Ulungura was the first Australian to take a Japanese prisoner on Australian soil. He took his prisoner to the RAAF guards stationed at the Bathurst Island aerodrome, where Toyashima was transferred into their custody.

    Right there was courage and initiative from a full-blood man, acting alone, as well as understanding of the geopolitical situation and context.

    As for IQ tests, the ones used by the British to assess native peoples were notoriously culturally specific.

    One question for example was “What is a word that can mean both a bird and a dishonest act”.

    The answer is a “Rook”.

    Imagine determining that native peoples are “stupid” because they didn’t know things like that, or didn’t even see the point of answering such stupid questions.

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    As for IQ tests, the ones used by the British to assess native peoples were notoriously culturally specific.
     
    Good thing then that the studies Lynn bases his estimates on are almost all from the 1960s onwards. The tests conducted using Progressive Matrices produced sub-70 IQ scores for aborigines.

    You might be interested to know that in another study, Lynn had anthropologists rate which IQ subtests they thought were the most culturally biased. The ones they rated as most biased (like vocabulary) turned out to be the ones with the smallest racial differences.
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  • @Ace
    Greene's book was a novel, a work of fiction.

    All CIA operations are "black" operations. You must think that somewhere in the bowls of the CIA there is large room full of Neanderthals who engage in or order "atrocity bombings." No nation's officials are free of stupidity, avarice, malevolence, or misjudgment but the vast majority of our people are decent and competent. Your casual accusation of the crime of bombing civilian areas is disgraceful and an insult to decent employees of that agency.

    U.S. military advisers arrived in Indochina in 1950. Thus, the U.S. was already involved in 1955 and no bombing of civilians was necessary.

    There was no shameful rout of the U.S. military. At the time of the fall of the SV government, American troops were for the most part gone.

    There was not enough space on the choppers to evacuate the hundreds of civilians at that airfield. Some attempted to prevent fully loaded choppers from taking off. What would you have done as a crew member under those circumstances?

    No. That wasn't Vietnam.

    Greene’s book was published in 1955 and the book uses Greene’s experiences as a war correspondent for The Times and Le Figaro in French Indochina 1951–1954. It is therefore anecdotal rather than fiction.

    I don’t give a rat’s ass if “decent employees” of the CIA feel insulted, bearing in mind the individuals involved are all dead in this case. I just hope they were cremated. It’s an insult to the good earth to expect it to contain their remains and deservedly they should be rated in history alongside Stalin’s henchmen and Hitler’s camp guards.

    Denial is ultimately an unsatisfying remedy for shame and disgrace, especially when denial sits in uncomfortable juxtaposition with hard evidence. I don’t mean shame and disgrace in respect of the US defeat (by which I mean forced withdrawal). The war was fought with valor on both sides

    America was still great during the Vietnam War and the greatness of the American public and their sense of fairness and decency was instrumental in the outcome. That was Vietnam.

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    The outcome would have been much better for all Americans, even leftists, if the US hadn't been forced to withdraw the way it did. Now the ghost of Vietnam haunts everyone, even when it shouldn't.

    Not to mention, the present Vietnam is better by acquiring some degree of Westernization and some degree of freedom from their former CCP/CCCP handlers. Would it have been better if South Vietnam had won the war? Maybe, though Ho Chi Minh was perhaps too popular. It was a stupid war to get into anyway - and one that was started by the putative leftist American party. Originally American right wingers were isolationists - wouldn't you prefer that?

    It's funny what you say about the CIA - for what it's worth, the same amount of "anecdotal evidence" used to be pointed all the time at the KGB, Mossad, the Elders of Zion, etc. There's one thing called denial, and the other extreme, fantasy. As a South American, I've seen both ends - the CIA and US bipartisan think tanks love the elite parties, while pretty much every lefty was fed by the colleges which were in turn either ruled by Beijing- or Moscow- or Havana- funded student orgs and teachers' unions and guerrillas and Marxist-Leninist movements (anecdotal evidence from dad who was in student government in a South American college in the messy 80s - he saw paramilitaries hunting dissidents, and on the other end, student groups getting classes shut at least half of the school year every year. FWIW).
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  • @Drapetomaniac
    The solution is not to force disparate groups together but to separate them completely. If a particular group thinks that their belief system is the best way to survive and prosper, cut them loose so they can prove it. Give the aborigines 3% of Australia's land and leave them alone.

    It's not hard to see that mankind is seriously embracing backwards evolution with its all-inclusive social and political policies. Civilizational bottlenecks like this occur when societies are undermined by those who are incapable of sustaining it.

    “If a particular group thinks that their belief system is the best way to survive and prosper, cut them loose so they can prove it. Give the aborigines 3% of Australia’s land and leave them alone.”

    Actually, give them the whole of Aus and the whiteys can go back to wherever they came from… because whiteys can’t leave anything alone.

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    Would then Australian whites count as a homeless population, therefore achieving victim status, and therefore worthy of signs such as "they can have my bed" as they parade around camps everywhere?

    All assuming that the aborigines aren't overtaken by another foreign power of a different race than them. As they nearly were when yellow Japan and others tried to invade throughout history. Do you think Hideki Tojo's armies would have been any more merciful to them than to the Chinese ladies of Nanjing? What about earlier examples, such as Mohammed's faithful that literally wanted to raze the world for their god? BTW, they got pretty close to them, having spread to Indonesia (ask East Timor how that went).

    But hey, let's blame whitey - using computers.

    If we're all equal, then we should all equally use logic...
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  • occam’s razor: abos are retard-monkeys. full stop.

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    Jeenius quootes
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  • Ot
    We smelled a diversity rat with the most recent Star Wars remakes and here is confirmation from the UK Daily Mail.

    Daisy Ridley nails androgynous chic in a smart tuxedo as she leads the glamour at the star-studded Empire Awards 2018 in London

    https://tinyurl.com/y9xzgqzx

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    I am interested to see that you have made hundreds of UR comments because your pseudonym had left absolutely no impression on me of your existence.

    Now I see you claim to be someone of mature years with post graduate education in the UK. So you should be ashamed of yourself for failing to offer just a simple apology when you are made to realise that you have exhibited crudeness and rudeness along with (otherwise just forgiveable) ignorance. And indeed I can't resist the supercilious mode when I see you purporting to have "criticised" me when all I can see is plain pub standard yah boo rudeness in some popular lingo you have picked up on the Internet when old enough to know better and maintain some self respect.

    Fortunately there are so many very bright interesting people from all over in Australia today (Melbourne and Sydney each have populations very much larger than that of Cromwelluan England - and only a tiny percentage of non Eurasian descent to warn us not to indulge Africa) that , despite easy air travel, I won't feel compelled to fill my senior years with Oxford gaudies, Glyndebourne supper parties and Conversazioni at the Ivies.

    Enough of me you might well agree. But I do commend your giving some attention to knowing more of our remarkable host.

    I am interested to see that you have made hundreds of UR comments because your pseudonym had left absolutely no impression on me of your existence.

    Now I see you claim to be someone of mature years with post graduate education in the UK. So you should be ashamed of yourself for failing to offer just a simple apology when you are made to realise that you have exhibited crudeness and rudeness along with (otherwise just forgiveable) ignorance

    Supercilious. Point proven.
    Add cyber-tracking to the charge sheet. Some might even call it cyberstalking. I’ve obviously got up your nose, if the great Wizard of Oz has to stoop to this level.

    Fortunately there are so many very bright interesting people from all over in Australia today (Melbourne and Sydney each have populations very much larger than that of Cromwelluan England – and only a tiny percentage of non Eurasian descent to warn us not to indulge Africa) that , despite easy air travel, I won’t feel compelled to fill my senior years with Oxford gaudies, Glyndebourne supper parties and Conversazioni at the Ivies

    Size often has little to do with accomplishment. Classical Athens had a similar population size as modern Iceland, and less than Newcastle, NSW. Without Classical Athens, many would say there wouldn’t be Western Civilisation at all, or, at least, one unrecognisable from the present form.

    However, I will leave you to have the last word. A man of your propensities generally does.

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    Hopefully Australia won't come to this

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/18/new-orleans-chef-food-experiment-black-white-pay-more

    Affirmative action laws achieve the same result in the employment arena. Only there’s nothing experimental about them.

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  • @Not_One_of_You

    Half of my army training was devoted to unscrupulous tactics. Ambushes, booby traps, expliding metal cannisters filled with ball bearings. I loved it all. Good thing Charlie never caught on.
     
    The Quiet American written by Graham Greene was about Vietnam during the takeover by America from the French, around 1955, also about the CIA black operations of atrocity bombings in public places against innocent people which were then photographed and blamed on the Vietcong, to justify US involvement and interference in the country, in the name of preventing the spread of Communism.

    In the end, a shameful rout with terrified civilians abandoned and kicked off the skids of choppers in the panic to escape. US prisoners denied and abandoned.

    That was Vietnam. How will it go with Russia?

    Greene’s book was a novel, a work of fiction.

    All CIA operations are “black” operations. You must think that somewhere in the bowls of the CIA there is large room full of Neanderthals who engage in or order “atrocity bombings.” No nation’s officials are free of stupidity, avarice, malevolence, or misjudgment but the vast majority of our people are decent and competent. Your casual accusation of the crime of bombing civilian areas is disgraceful and an insult to decent employees of that agency.

    U.S. military advisers arrived in Indochina in 1950. Thus, the U.S. was already involved in 1955 and no bombing of civilians was necessary.

    There was no shameful rout of the U.S. military. At the time of the fall of the SV government, American troops were for the most part gone.

    There was not enough space on the choppers to evacuate the hundreds of civilians at that airfield. Some attempted to prevent fully loaded choppers from taking off. What would you have done as a crew member under those circumstances?

    No. That wasn’t Vietnam.

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    Greene's book was published in 1955 and the book uses Greene's experiences as a war correspondent for The Times and Le Figaro in French Indochina 1951–1954. It is therefore anecdotal rather than fiction.

    I don't give a rat's ass if "decent employees" of the CIA feel insulted, bearing in mind the individuals involved are all dead in this case. I just hope they were cremated. It's an insult to the good earth to expect it to contain their remains and deservedly they should be rated in history alongside Stalin's henchmen and Hitler's camp guards.

    Denial is ultimately an unsatisfying remedy for shame and disgrace, especially when denial sits in uncomfortable juxtaposition with hard evidence. I don't mean shame and disgrace in respect of the US defeat (by which I mean forced withdrawal). The war was fought with valor on both sides

    America was still great during the Vietnam War and the greatness of the American public and their sense of fairness and decency was instrumental in the outcome. That was Vietnam.
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  • @peterAUS
    Well, although I tend to skip through his posts (as I am sure he does with mine), in this particular case I agree with Kiza here:

    The solution is not to keep spending zillions of dollars on trying to convert them into the modern (global) society, then to give them a chosen section of territory and allow them to continue living the way they know and want, even if it includes things abhorrent to the rest of Australians. Give them land, give them some assistance (after all they were in Australia first) and let them govern themselves, those who decide so. This should be a general formula of tolerance, rather then assimilation or extinction.
     
    I won't be around when/if that even happens, of course. Just don't see it practicable in the current paradigm.
    As Kiza, again, well put:

    ...a large proportion of the assistance is appropriated by the white lawyers and other SJWs “fighting” for the Aboriginal Rights, a whole super-structure built upon the “guilt merchandising”.
     
    White psychology and politics. The guilt thing in particular, especially in "chattering classes".

    See some Kiwis here. Was recently in Auckland, went to the Museum there. Remember visiting the same museum ages ago.
    I believe I saw the shift re Maori language. Before, as I remember, all signs/explanations were English/Maori. Now, ti appears it's other way around.
    There is something....peculiar.....in that desire, perhaps need, to "accommodate" the native culture
    Can't say I understand that, just feel, suspect, there is something deeply wrong and disturbing there, but, well, not my area of expertise, not even close.
    Just feels.......creepy. Slimy ?!

    Its a common error to conflate the situation of the Maori New Zealanders with that of the Aboriginal Australian. The Differences are many, apart from the genetic and environmental differences two of the key political and cultural differences were the treaty of Waitangi 1840 between the British Crown and a significant number of Maori tribes and a general Maori cultural renaissance starting in the 1980s.

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  • @Ace
    Half of my army training was devoted to unscrupulous tactics. Ambushes, booby traps, expliding metal cannisters filled with ball bearings. I loved it all. Good thing Charlie never caught on.

    Half of my army training was devoted to unscrupulous tactics. Ambushes, booby traps, expliding metal cannisters filled with ball bearings. I loved it all. Good thing Charlie never caught on.

    The Quiet American written by Graham Greene was about Vietnam during the takeover by America from the French, around 1955, also about the CIA black operations of atrocity bombings in public places against innocent people which were then photographed and blamed on the Vietcong, to justify US involvement and interference in the country, in the name of preventing the spread of Communism.

    In the end, a shameful rout with terrified civilians abandoned and kicked off the skids of choppers in the panic to escape. US prisoners denied and abandoned.

    That was Vietnam. How will it go with Russia?

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    Greene's book was a novel, a work of fiction.

    All CIA operations are "black" operations. You must think that somewhere in the bowls of the CIA there is large room full of Neanderthals who engage in or order "atrocity bombings." No nation's officials are free of stupidity, avarice, malevolence, or misjudgment but the vast majority of our people are decent and competent. Your casual accusation of the crime of bombing civilian areas is disgraceful and an insult to decent employees of that agency.

    U.S. military advisers arrived in Indochina in 1950. Thus, the U.S. was already involved in 1955 and no bombing of civilians was necessary.

    There was no shameful rout of the U.S. military. At the time of the fall of the SV government, American troops were for the most part gone.

    There was not enough space on the choppers to evacuate the hundreds of civilians at that airfield. Some attempted to prevent fully loaded choppers from taking off. What would you have done as a crew member under those circumstances?

    No. That wasn't Vietnam.
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  • @tcruze
    what is this supposed to mean? Please do not project Judeo need for genocide on other non-Hebraic peoples...

    The Japanese terrorized and slaughtered both residents of Papua New Guniea and in Kalimantan (Indonesia) in WWII in POW camps. Natives of the Australian land mass are closely related to the PNG natives that includes the “Rascals”gangs in Port Moresby who are lawless criminals who take no prisoners. Indeed, roaming around PNG without an armed guard is considered a fool’s errand.

    This is why elderly Indonesia women in the late 1990s (when I was there) would give Japanese tourists the evil eye and refuse to cook their food. They remembered the Japanese torturing, starving and beating them in the POW camps.

    Where have any Jews ever committed genocide? They show super human restraint with the savages from the Strip who NO ONE in the Arab world wants.

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    Jews have genocided at minimum 7m russian/ukrainian kulaks during holodomor, and, Genoch Hersch Yehuda was writing reports about the numders dead to Kagan and Stalin.
    Then we have seen some GULAGs ( gossudarstvennoje upravljanje lagerej), where in the north during the works on the channel, have been tortured and exterminated 300k russian clergymen, together with one million of their family relatives.
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  • @Ace
    Low-IQ aboriginal civilization will survive but high-IQ liberal civilization won't. Bit of a cosmuc joke.
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    Affirmative action laws achieve the same result in the employment arena. Only there's nothing experimental about them.
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  • @Kiza
    Yes, it may be true that Australian Aborigines have the lowest IQ of all racial groups, but this is a reflection of IQ, not of Aborigines. It is obvious that they have evolved in a different way than the other groups and they totally do not fit into the modern civilization and probably never will. The meeting of the European, that is Anglo Whites and the Australian Aborigines was a meeting of two completely incompatible human groups. And, yes, there was an Aboriginal civilization, just not of the kind that the Anglo-Europeans would have understood or appreciated. One needs only to look into the complex schemes for intermarriage which ensured the mixing of genes in an isolated and limited gene pool to appreciate that in some unusual ways they were not backward at all. The apparent low level of Western-style intelligence (analytical and synthetic) and the completely unexpected adaptations to the totally unique Australian environment, which the Anglos did not encounter anywhere else on the planet, made them look useless to the newcomers. The Anglos could not make Aborigines into work slaves so they hunted them down for sport. I would not be surprised if the Japanese or some other Asians would have extinguished them altogether. But what happened to the Australian Aborigines in the past was truly a clash of civilizations, one adjusted to limitless expansion and the other adjusted to steady state/status quo forever, a stale civilization. The incompatibility was greater than between the Spaniards and the Central and South American Aborigines, for example.

    The solution is not to keep spending zillions of dollars on trying to convert them into the modern (global) society, then to give them a chosen section of territory and allow them to continue living the way they know and want, even if it includes things abhorrent to the rest of Australians. Give them land, give them some assistance (after all they were in Australia first) and let them govern themselves, those who decide so. This should be a general formula of tolerance, rather then assimilation or extinction.

    It is an extreme irony that this planet cannot survive the current civilization adjusted to expansion forever, and that our civilization could learn something from the Australian Aborigines. Maybe not all lessons would be acceptable to us, nevertheless we cannot continue on as we do on a limited planet - we will extinguish ourselves in a fight for resources.

    Low-IQ aboriginal civilization will survive but high-IQ liberal civilization won’t. Bit of a cosmuc joke.

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    Hopefully Australia won't come to this

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/18/new-orleans-chef-food-experiment-black-white-pay-more
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  • @Anonymous
    The Japanese didn't wipe out the Ainu why would they have done this to the Aboriginals?

    Of course the respective demographics make it an oranges and apples comparison. In any case the racial difference between the respective groups is vastly less.

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    @jilles dykstra
    " They did not occupy the land at all in any meaningful sense. "

    In your western opinion.

    No. Just in the view of common sense. Imagine 200,000 people “occupying” the whole of the contiguous 48 states. To say that America (which in this case would have no national capital, federal or other government) under such conditions would be a settled or occupied country would be absurd. Its not an “opinion” (western or otherwise). Just a fact. Greenland is an basically empty island and Antarctica is wholly empty.

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  • @songbird
    As far as I'm concerned, Aborigines are a model minority because they haven't squatted in the US and Europe and become surly rent-seekers, open immigration advocates to grow their numbers, or people who attack white culture because they resent whites for having a culture.

    Drive-by shootings by Aborigines are also relatively rare.

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  • @Not_One_of_You
    "These people may truly be said to be in the pure state of nature, and may appear to some to be the most wretched upon the earth; but in reality they are far happier than ... we Europeans", wrote Cook in his journal on 23 August 1770.

    Not for long though. European diseases ravaged the Aborigines as the British exported convicted convicts, having convicted so many citizens that they resorted to housing them on mastless ships called "hulks". The first Australians were more than 90% prisoners and almost 100% white.

    Cook's journal entry seems to give the lie to the anonymous writer of this article who claims Cook and his men recorded that the Aborigines were “savages,” “barbaric” and even “stupid”.

    Anybody can say anybody is "stupid" and plenty say that about the lumpen white populace of the US who, as Obama once said, "cling desperately to their guns and bibles".

    In 1988 the Aboriginal Wars commenced and lasted 110 years, with the Aborigines acquitting themselves better than, say, the Iraqis post Saddam, but not as well as the resolute Vietnamese who eventually routed the GIs (despite the vast advantages and unscrupulous tactics) and turned John McCain into a blabbering informant.

    Today, at least 74% of adult Australians who identify as indigenous are married (de facto or de jure) to non-aboriginal spouses, but Aborigines still experience forms of adverse discrimination. To suggest that Aborigines were net beneficiaries of the white invasion simply because they were carried along in the march of history (as second class citizens) is pretty damn fucked-up.

    Half of my army training was devoted to unscrupulous tactics. Ambushes, booby traps, expliding metal cannisters filled with ball bearings. I loved it all. Good thing Charlie never caught on.

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    Half of my army training was devoted to unscrupulous tactics. Ambushes, booby traps, expliding metal cannisters filled with ball bearings. I loved it all. Good thing Charlie never caught on.
     
    The Quiet American written by Graham Greene was about Vietnam during the takeover by America from the French, around 1955, also about the CIA black operations of atrocity bombings in public places against innocent people which were then photographed and blamed on the Vietcong, to justify US involvement and interference in the country, in the name of preventing the spread of Communism.

    In the end, a shameful rout with terrified civilians abandoned and kicked off the skids of choppers in the panic to escape. US prisoners denied and abandoned.

    That was Vietnam. How will it go with Russia?
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  • @Verymuchalive
    It has almost amused me how, whenever you are criticized, you always retreat into this supercilious artitude: how dare you criticize someone of my intellect, education and refinement ! It must be a complete ordeal to live in Australia for someone like you - all those ignorant, oafish ockers all over the place. Of course, once population replacement kicks in, you'll have a Chinese-Oriental population which will be much more appreciative of your talents and sensibilities, OR NOT.

    I am interested to see that you have made hundreds of UR comments because your pseudonym had left absolutely no impression on me of your existence.

    Now I see you claim to be someone of mature years with post graduate education in the UK. So you should be ashamed of yourself for failing to offer just a simple apology when you are made to realise that you have exhibited crudeness and rudeness along with (otherwise just forgiveable) ignorance. And indeed I can’t resist the supercilious mode when I see you purporting to have “criticised” me when all I can see is plain pub standard yah boo rudeness in some popular lingo you have picked up on the Internet when old enough to know better and maintain some self respect.

    Fortunately there are so many very bright interesting people from all over in Australia today (Melbourne and Sydney each have populations very much larger than that of Cromwelluan England – and only a tiny percentage of non Eurasian descent to warn us not to indulge Africa) that , despite easy air travel, I won’t feel compelled to fill my senior years with Oxford gaudies, Glyndebourne supper parties and Conversazioni at the Ivies.

    Enough of me you might well agree. But I do commend your giving some attention to knowing more of our remarkable host.

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    I am interested to see that you have made hundreds of UR comments because your pseudonym had left absolutely no impression on me of your existence.

    Now I see you claim to be someone of mature years with post graduate education in the UK. So you should be ashamed of yourself for failing to offer just a simple apology when you are made to realise that you have exhibited crudeness and rudeness along with (otherwise just forgiveable) ignorance

     

    Supercilious. Point proven.
    Add cyber-tracking to the charge sheet. Some might even call it cyberstalking. I've obviously got up your nose, if the great Wizard of Oz has to stoop to this level.

    Fortunately there are so many very bright interesting people from all over in Australia today (Melbourne and Sydney each have populations very much larger than that of Cromwelluan England – and only a tiny percentage of non Eurasian descent to warn us not to indulge Africa) that , despite easy air travel, I won’t feel compelled to fill my senior years with Oxford gaudies, Glyndebourne supper parties and Conversazioni at the Ivies
     

    Size often has little to do with accomplishment. Classical Athens had a similar population size as modern Iceland, and less than Newcastle, NSW. Without Classical Athens, many would say there wouldn't be Western Civilisation at all, or, at least, one unrecognisable from the present form.

    However, I will leave you to have the last word. A man of your propensities generally does.

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  • @songbird
    I'm inclined to think that if the Japanese had been the ones to find them, there would be no Aborigines today, so to be found by whites was sort of a lucky/unlucky situation, it seems.

    The Japanese didn’t wipe out the Ainu why would they have done this to the Aboriginals?

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    Of course the respective demographics make it an oranges and apples comparison. In any case the racial difference between the respective groups is vastly less.
    , @anon
    Not sure about that. Wikipedia claimed a few years ago that the Ainu numbers in Hokkaido had dropped from 300,000 in 1942 to about 10,000 in 1943, without giving any explanation for such a dramatic decrease.
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  • @FB

    '...Care to bet the percentage of those in hard sciences who believe IQ tests measure something real vs those who take the opposite position?..'
     
    Sure...I'll take you up on your uppity challenge...

    Fire away with the so-called 'evidence...'

    PS...I am assuming from your 'knowledge' about what practitioners of hard science think...that you are one yourself...which field...?

    Here’s a theoretical physicist who very much believes in IQ.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/finding-the-next-einstein/201112/polymath-physicist-richard-feynmans-low-iq-and-finding-another

    Aside from your prior exercise seeking to put your thoughts into Hawking’s mouth, can you point to a hard scientist on record contesting the position of the physicist above, Steven Hsu?

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  • @anon
    The last full blood Aborigine in south east Qld died in Ipswich in 1980.
    Go far enough north or West, and you'll find plenty.
    From my observation, the distinctive Aboriginal facial features, and the long, delicate hands and fingers, identify their heritage through many generations of breeding with Whites.

    I am surprised by that 1980 death of the last full blood in SE Queensland – though presumably not counting some from the north who had left their country for the SE. However I remember being told by a Minister or Shadow Minister for Aboriginal Affairs (tacked on to another job) in Victoria that there were only 3 or 5 Aborigines in Victoria. But wow! What a takeoff was under way. Now there are Koori schools, native title claims and I would bet at least 500 employed because of their Aboriginality.

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    From memory, his surname was Mi Mi, a common name of people originating in the Gayndah area.
    He was a wudower, his wife had shared his heritage. Their only child, a daughter, had been a murder victim in the 1940s.
    The history of the Deebing Creek Mission [Purga] outside Ipswich, was that it was also an Industrial Arts Training School for Aborigines from all over Qld.
    Sometime in the 1940s, all part Aborigines were expelled from Purga by the Qld Government.
    That left only a few Full Bloods as residents, and the Government then closed it as unviable.
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  • @FB

    '...Care to bet the percentage of those in hard sciences who believe IQ tests measure something real vs those who take the opposite position?..'
     
    Sure...I'll take you up on your uppity challenge...

    Fire away with the so-called 'evidence...'

    PS...I am assuming from your 'knowledge' about what practitioners of hard science think...that you are one yourself...which field...?

    Don’t divert. You made the claims. By your reaction it is apparent you have nothing supporting your claims. Not surprising.

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  • @Curle
    “Remember thst an Americsn who scored 57 on an IQ test would be slobberingly retarded and useless.”

    Retarded kids can bag groceries, fold clothes and do janitorial work. Are you sure they can’t guide you or offer food?

    OK I was assuming common assumptiins in others dating back perhaps to the days when the first IQ tests were designed to pick up deficient cognitive ability and descriptions such as moron, idiot and imbecile were used without being adffectionate descriptions on UR for those one disagrees with. But now I understand that SCOTUS has pretty well adopted an IQ cut off of 70 for capital punishment (bad luck for a smart 71 who isn’t smart enough to fake 69!). I presume that the average is taken to be 100 and sd 15 so only one in forty white Americans would have IQs of 70 or less (and one in six blacks.). I remember a small number of boys at a non selective expensive private school (highest IQ 183) were recorded at about 80 and I am not sure they all lost the family farm in due course…. But my understanding is that 80 makes one just about unemployable if the employer has his own money at stake and wants machinery maintained and an absence of fatal accidents, not to mention accounts balancing. Seriously, how much good is the ability to do any of your suggested tasks under thoughtful direction to someone who and whose family have to survive in the conditions of Aborigines in Australia or Bushmen in the Kalahari?

    Your observation points to the need to assess just what is needed for the employment of the very dim as testwd by IQ tests. No doubt there is a lot of material on that. Parents and schools who have taught patience and obedience and regularity effectively wouls surely be a big bonus and that mighr explain why very dim blacks are infinitely worse off than (the fewer) very dim East Asians and most whites

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Such a polite comment deserves the advice to Google for "Ron Unz Richard Lynn".

    Your moniker is not an apt description of your brain based on
    1. the brief, crude, almost meaningless characterisation of your slender understanding of my point of view and Weltanschauung; and
    2 based on your apparent belief that there is anything to be said for treating the inherited cause of IQ averages of 70 or under amongst primitives as comparable to Europesn averages >90. From memory Ron focused on the absurd anomaly of the reported Irish and Slovenian IQ scores that Lynn seemed to accept as supporting his thesis.

    That you are foolish is evident because you assume that you are not wrong in the most elementary way. But you not only don't know much about our very smart host's wrtings you assert egregiously that he is a "classicist" posing as entiled to criticise a psychologist when the truth is he is a former theoretical physicist and software writer/developer with far greater mathematical and statistical skills than Lynn. Yes he did write a paper on "The Spartan Naval Emplire" too.

    Mind you I have some sympathy for Lynn's broad H-bd approsch inasmuch as he says "Higher aversge IQs are prima facie a good thing and a lot of the inter group differences are inherited" but put yourself next to a crashed aircraft in the middle of the Kalshari desert without food or water, compass or map. When you hear some clicks and little Khoi San speakers approach are you goung to worry when you remember Phil Rushton's 57 average IQ for them that they won't be sble to understsnd you, provide food and guide you out of the desert to civilisation? Remember thst an Americsn who scored 57 on an IQ test would be slobberingly retarded and useless.

    It has almost amused me how, whenever you are criticized, you always retreat into this supercilious artitude: how dare you criticize someone of my intellect, education and refinement ! It must be a complete ordeal to live in Australia for someone like you – all those ignorant, oafish ockers all over the place. Of course, once population replacement kicks in, you’ll have a Chinese-Oriental population which will be much more appreciative of your talents and sensibilities, OR NOT.

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    I am interested to see that you have made hundreds of UR comments because your pseudonym had left absolutely no impression on me of your existence.

    Now I see you claim to be someone of mature years with post graduate education in the UK. So you should be ashamed of yourself for failing to offer just a simple apology when you are made to realise that you have exhibited crudeness and rudeness along with (otherwise just forgiveable) ignorance. And indeed I can't resist the supercilious mode when I see you purporting to have "criticised" me when all I can see is plain pub standard yah boo rudeness in some popular lingo you have picked up on the Internet when old enough to know better and maintain some self respect.

    Fortunately there are so many very bright interesting people from all over in Australia today (Melbourne and Sydney each have populations very much larger than that of Cromwelluan England - and only a tiny percentage of non Eurasian descent to warn us not to indulge Africa) that , despite easy air travel, I won't feel compelled to fill my senior years with Oxford gaudies, Glyndebourne supper parties and Conversazioni at the Ivies.

    Enough of me you might well agree. But I do commend your giving some attention to knowing more of our remarkable host.

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  • @Seraphim
    But one cannot deny that they were the owners of the land, like all the natives of the territories occupied by the British pirates. They looked at them exactly the same way like the 'whites' look at the invasion of the low IQ 'browns'.

    Origines (a preferred term) have never had tribal words for “ownership”. Their heritage belief is that their people belong TO the land. That sense of belonging did not prevent separate conflicts being resolved by tribal warfare before whitey ever arrived on foreign shores.

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  • @Hapalong Cassidy
    And yet it would seem the average white Australian is more intelligent than the descendants of the lowest class of British settler to populate the U.S. - the ”Scots-Irish” from the England/Scotland border region. Maybe since the environment of Australia was much harsher than that of Appalachia, there were more eugenic pressures on the early Australians, so that the more intelligent ones were more likely to breed.

    Don’t know where you picked up your proof by ‘seems’ system but average IQ for TN whites is 98.8. For Australians, 98. I didn’t see ethnic break-outs for the Australians. Scots and Irish IQs are equivalent.

    There are Scots descended people in Appalachia but plenty of Irish and English descent as well. Since FTDNA now breaks out Scots descent I’m confident you won’t find more Scots than English in the Appalachian gene pool. Sure, lots of Scots made the region their home, but as many English did too.

    In other words, your theory sucks.

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  • ‘…Care to bet the percentage of those in hard sciences who believe IQ tests measure something real vs those who take the opposite position?..’

    Sure…I’ll take you up on your uppity challenge…

    Fire away with the so-called ‘evidence…’

    PS…I am assuming from your ‘knowledge’ about what practitioners of hard science think…that you are one yourself…which field…?

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    Don’t divert. You made the claims. By your reaction it is apparent you have nothing supporting your claims. Not surprising.
    , @Curle
    Here’s a theoretical physicist who very much believes in IQ.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/finding-the-next-einstein/201112/polymath-physicist-richard-feynmans-low-iq-and-finding-another

    Aside from your prior exercise seeking to put your thoughts into Hawking’s mouth, can you point to a hard scientist on record contesting the position of the physicist above, Steven Hsu?
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  • @Bob Phil Dave
    They might be dumber than whites, but whites are dumber than Ashkenazi "Jews". So, when creating policies to deal with Aboriginals, do it as though that exact policy will likewise be the one which races superior to your own will adopt towards your race. Therefore, for example, if whites decide that the Abos should be wiped out, then they should correspondingly accept the righteousness of Ashkenazi Jews doing the same to them. Or, if the Chinaman should desire mercy and kindness from the Japanese man, then he should likewise extend that grace to the Cambodian. "Do unto others as ye would have done unto yourself." Now, that grace shouldn't necessarily preclude outright rulership, but in my view it should be rule of a kind and benevolent sort.

    It's a wonderfully just technique for extracting true fairness from as corrupt a being as man.

    “…They might be dumber than whites, but whites are dumber than Ashkenazi “Jews”. So, when creating policies to deal with Aboriginals, do it as though that exact policy will likewise be the one which races superior to your own will adopt towards your race. Therefore, for example, if whites decide that the Abos should be wiped out, then they should correspondingly accept the righteousness of Ashkenazi Jews doing the same to them…”

    I’m with you 100%. Since most people believe segregation is the answer we should do the same and get rid of the Jews from all White countries. Deport them to Israel. You’re a genius and have solved all our problems.

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  • @Vox Australis
    A major problem with Australia's Aborigines is the lack of public debate on the topic. The ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission, a publicly funded broadcaster) was taken over by the Marxists more than 40 years ago, and for many years has done nothing but peddle left wing propaganda to the small proportion of the population that can be bothered watching it. Most mainstream newspapers — with the honourable exception of Rupert Murdoch's Australian — don't publish anything of any significance on Aboriginal affairs.

    Much is made of the so-called 'Stolen Generation', a term used to describe the Aboriginal children who were removed from their parents and raised in foster homes, or in orphanages. For Australia's left-wing intellectuals, it is proof of the racist policies of successive governments, and an attempt at genocide. Keith Windschuttle, editor of Quadrant, one of the few conservative journals in Australia, has written two volumes of a work titled 'The Fabrication of Aboriginal History', his work on government archives has shown that in every case that he investigated, children were removed because they were being neglected by their parents; some girls were removed because they were in danger of being sexually abused, either by their own people, or by white men. Windschuttle's books have been neglected by the Aboriginal industry of lawyers, SJW's and the like because they contradict the convenient view of Aborigines as perpetual victims.

    Australian governments, both Federal and state, spend colossal amounts of money on the Aborigines, with little or no positive outcome. In Western Australia, where I live, Aborigines are about 3% of the population, but 40% of the prison population, Aboriginal women are 20 times as likely to be in prison compared to non-Aboriginal women. In many of the Aboriginal communities in remote areas, sexual abuse of children is rife, violence against women is routine, and alcohol consumption is phenomenal. However, the bureaucracy that administers Aboriginal affairs ignores the problem.

    Keith Windschuttle, editor of Quadrant, one of the few conservative journals in Australia, has written two volumes of a work titled ‘The Fabrication of Aboriginal History’,

    Those two volumes are essential reading for anyone interested in the subject. He comprehensively demolishes the myth of any kind of deliberate genocide.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Such a polite comment deserves the advice to Google for "Ron Unz Richard Lynn".

    Your moniker is not an apt description of your brain based on
    1. the brief, crude, almost meaningless characterisation of your slender understanding of my point of view and Weltanschauung; and
    2 based on your apparent belief that there is anything to be said for treating the inherited cause of IQ averages of 70 or under amongst primitives as comparable to Europesn averages >90. From memory Ron focused on the absurd anomaly of the reported Irish and Slovenian IQ scores that Lynn seemed to accept as supporting his thesis.

    That you are foolish is evident because you assume that you are not wrong in the most elementary way. But you not only don't know much about our very smart host's wrtings you assert egregiously that he is a "classicist" posing as entiled to criticise a psychologist when the truth is he is a former theoretical physicist and software writer/developer with far greater mathematical and statistical skills than Lynn. Yes he did write a paper on "The Spartan Naval Emplire" too.

    Mind you I have some sympathy for Lynn's broad H-bd approsch inasmuch as he says "Higher aversge IQs are prima facie a good thing and a lot of the inter group differences are inherited" but put yourself next to a crashed aircraft in the middle of the Kalshari desert without food or water, compass or map. When you hear some clicks and little Khoi San speakers approach are you goung to worry when you remember Phil Rushton's 57 average IQ for them that they won't be sble to understsnd you, provide food and guide you out of the desert to civilisation? Remember thst an Americsn who scored 57 on an IQ test would be slobberingly retarded and useless.

    “Remember thst an Americsn who scored 57 on an IQ test would be slobberingly retarded and useless.”

    Retarded kids can bag groceries, fold clothes and do janitorial work. Are you sure they can’t guide you or offer food?

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    OK I was assuming common assumptiins in others dating back perhaps to the days when the first IQ tests were designed to pick up deficient cognitive ability and descriptions such as moron, idiot and imbecile were used without being adffectionate descriptions on UR for those one disagrees with. But now I understand that SCOTUS has pretty well adopted an IQ cut off of 70 for capital punishment (bad luck for a smart 71 who isn't smart enough to fake 69!). I presume that the average is taken to be 100 and sd 15 so only one in forty white Americans would have IQs of 70 or less (and one in six blacks.). I remember a small number of boys at a non selective expensive private school (highest IQ 183) were recorded at about 80 and I am not sure they all lost the family farm in due course.... But my understanding is that 80 makes one just about unemployable if the employer has his own money at stake and wants machinery maintained and an absence of fatal accidents, not to mention accounts balancing. Seriously, how much good is the ability to do any of your suggested tasks under thoughtful direction to someone who and whose family have to survive in the conditions of Aborigines in Australia or Bushmen in the Kalahari?

    Your observation points to the need to assess just what is needed for the employment of the very dim as testwd by IQ tests. No doubt there is a lot of material on that. Parents and schools who have taught patience and obedience and regularity effectively wouls surely be a big bonus and that mighr explain why very dim blacks are infinitely worse off than (the fewer) very dim East Asians and most whites

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  • @FB

    '...Sometimes I wonder if all this yapping about “smarts” and “IQ” are frauds as well…'
     
    No need to wonder...IQ testing is something thought up 'psychologists'...ie pseudo-scientists...

    Stephen Hawking has been asked many times why he never took an IQ test...he dismissed the idea as silly...and having 'no value'...

    Most practitioners of hard sciences like physics and math view the social 'sciences' as only slightly removed from alchemy and quackery...

    Care to bet the percentage of those in hard sciences who believe IQ tests measure something real vs those who take the opposite position? You write as if 1) Hawking we’re making a statement about the validity of IQ and its measurement as opposed to its relevance to his situation; and 2) that were that Hawkin’s position that it is normative among scientists, both claims of fact not submitted into evidence.

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  • Well said Emu. In my opinion anybody who wants to run down Aboriginals is sub human. What we transplanted Europeans have done to them already is bad enough.

    Australia was their country, and they have, or had, their own culture and understandings and a knowledge that us materially driven whites aren’t even aware of.

    They don’t need any more criticism and hurt from a population largely descended from British convicts.

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  • My two cents…

    Tie Me Kangaroo Down Sport – sang by Rolf Harris

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  • @Kiza
    Why do you call them Abs instead of Abos as everybody does? I thought you were talking about stomach muscles or attempting to be PC. Anyway, I do not dispute that mine is a fantasy because as someone said - it is too late. I do not think that the destruction of a weaker group/civilisation happens as soon as they encounter each other as another one suggested above. But several hundred years later too much has happened. It is very unfortunate that the first ones of the Anglo- and Spanish explorers were always focused on profit from their adventures - usually gold and/or slave labor. Such motives combined with guns in their hands always brought doom to the technologically weaker group/civilisation. I could only imagine the explorer’s laugh at my fantasy of tolerance - if you cannot use them, then just kill them and take their land. Only a slightly more humane approach is to try to assimilate them.

    I read many of the comments here and I just do not accept that we always have to pass judgement on the Abos. Why cannot we mind our own business and let the fellas learn to cope with what we brought on them. I actually live with a large number of Abos around but I do not try to stop them even when they quarrel and hit their women. I would intervene only if a life was threatened.

    But I liked that I learned the name for the whites who pretend to be Abos to gain the benefits - Garbarigines.

    Indeed my “Abs’ is s bit silly because, while not wanting to tap out with one digit the full “Aborigines” I am trying to avoid using “Abos” (even) on UR as if I were in polite mixed political company in Australia where some at least would disapprove of my saying “Abos” as they migjt have disapproved one saying “boongs” 60 years ago (though maybe then letting “Abos” pass).
    BTW I note some using “Abbo” which I thought was some people’s nickname for Tony Abbott.

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  • @Fran Macadam
    One could make the argument that modern Australia, once a vast open air prison camp, was settled by the detritus of Europe, of the "genetically inferior" deported British recidivist criminal underclass, the equivalent of the modern welfare-for-life football hooligan. A culled nation so backwards and genetically deplorable, that even its most law-abiding citizens cannot be trusted to own firearms. What could one expect from the DNA of those who were so indigestible to civilized society, that they had to be expulsed from their native land, by their own countrymen?

    And yet it would seem the average white Australian is more intelligent than the descendants of the lowest class of British settler to populate the U.S. – the ”Scots-Irish” from the England/Scotland border region. Maybe since the environment of Australia was much harsher than that of Appalachia, there were more eugenic pressures on the early Australians, so that the more intelligent ones were more likely to breed.

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    Don’t know where you picked up your proof by ‘seems’ system but average IQ for TN whites is 98.8. For Australians, 98. I didn’t see ethnic break-outs for the Australians. Scots and Irish IQs are equivalent.

    There are Scots descended people in Appalachia but plenty of Irish and English descent as well. Since FTDNA now breaks out Scots descent I’m confident you won’t find more Scots than English in the Appalachian gene pool. Sure, lots of Scots made the region their home, but as many English did too.

    In other words, your theory sucks.
    , @Fran Macadam
    Parody, my friend. I take each individual, regardless of ethnicity or origin, as I find them.
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  • @peterAUS

    I once read an old book which posited that Australian Aborigines, Dravidians in India, and the Bushmen in southern Africa were all products of the same earlier radiation. That the latter are not genetically related to Aborigines was a big surprise.

    If the writer or anyone with better knowledge will reply on these points, it would be appreciated.

    Finally, a thirty- or forty-thousand year-old grave was discovered in South Australia, containing mixed hominid types. I think there have been similar finds elsewhere in that land. Research on such finds was strictly forbidden many years ago, raising the obvious question, what is it that we must not be permitted to know?
     
    Pre-deluvian civilizations?

    An interesting topic guaranteed to invite an avalanche of derision, especially from scholars and experts.

    If....if there is a shred of truth there it would, let's say, adversely affect the current paradigm. All of it.
    Can't be done.

    A good thing is , well ,maybe there was a similar lunacy (idiots with nukes) before, and still the humans survived. Gives us some hope today.

    The speaker is a bit monotonous and not very dynamic but he has very interesting things to say on this subject – backed by research:

    Peace.

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:

    According to Birdsell, there are/were 3 separate Aboriginal Peoples in Australia in the 1930s
    1. A negrito people that had lived in the rainforests around Cairns, but were then living with other Aborigines in Government Settlements, the people on the East Coast, and the people on the West Coast.

    From what i’ve read, Mungo Man and the Kow Swamp Woman bear no resemblance to modern Aborigines

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Credit where it is due and I applaud the humanity of your fantasy. But it is even more of a fantasy than I expect you might explain it to be. Just think of the word "country" as used by Abs to refer to their own ancestral territory with its own Dreamings; assuming as seems to be a frequent choice they choose one of a number of ancestral lines that are mostly a modern phenomenon. And think of the hundreds of territories and languages of Abs (so identfying however improably) as well as the impossibility of 99 per cent of them for a variety of reasons living a pre 1788 life if your idea was implemented.

    Mind you I agree with references above to Blsiney's charming and interesting book and apart from evidence that many/most Abs have inherited greatly superior eyesight (20/8 as for test pilots must be good for detecting well camouflaged prey in the ling grass four hundred metres away) I don't see any case for thinking their brains have evolved to make Lynn's 64 IQ figure equally useless and ludicrous. Mind you they are probably lacking i.e. pure Abs are lacking the last few alleles that made large Eurasian populations better at IQ tests. So. no Nobel Prizes or Field Medals perhsps but that is true of many ethnic minorities and it doesn't stop them becoming medicsl doctors or airline pilots which, as they are such a small minority (and without guns be it noted when comparing them with Americans of sll hues) is an adequate contribution to carrying Oz's large majority of everyone whose high standard of living is thanks to miners, farmers and the Chinese (with help from the other East Asians - who, come to think of it, probably should include Philippine call centre workers paid s lot less thsn Austrslian wages!)

    Why do you call them Abs instead of Abos as everybody does? I thought you were talking about stomach muscles or attempting to be PC. Anyway, I do not dispute that mine is a fantasy because as someone said – it is too late. I do not think that the destruction of a weaker group/civilisation happens as soon as they encounter each other as another one suggested above. But several hundred years later too much has happened. It is very unfortunate that the first ones of the Anglo- and Spanish explorers were always focused on profit from their adventures – usually gold and/or slave labor. Such motives combined with guns in their hands always brought doom to the technologically weaker group/civilisation. I could only imagine the explorer’s laugh at my fantasy of tolerance – if you cannot use them, then just kill them and take their land. Only a slightly more humane approach is to try to assimilate them.

    I read many of the comments here and I just do not accept that we always have to pass judgement on the Abos. Why cannot we mind our own business and let the fellas learn to cope with what we brought on them. I actually live with a large number of Abos around but I do not try to stop them even when they quarrel and hit their women. I would intervene only if a life was threatened.

    But I liked that I learned the name for the whites who pretend to be Abos to gain the benefits – Garbarigines.

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    Indeed my "Abs' is s bit silly because, while not wanting to tap out with one digit the full "Aborigines" I am trying to avoid using "Abos" (even) on UR as if I were in polite mixed political company in Australia where some at least would disapprove of my saying "Abos" as they migjt have disapproved one saying "boongs" 60 years ago (though maybe then letting "Abos" pass).
    BTW I note some using "Abbo" which I thought was some people's nickname for Tony Abbott.
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  • One could make the argument that modern Australia, once a vast open air prison camp, was settled by the detritus of Europe, of the “genetically inferior” deported British recidivist criminal underclass, the equivalent of the modern welfare-for-life football hooligan. A culled nation so backwards and genetically deplorable, that even its most law-abiding citizens cannot be trusted to own firearms. What could one expect from the DNA of those who were so indigestible to civilized society, that they had to be expulsed from their native land, by their own countrymen?

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    And yet it would seem the average white Australian is more intelligent than the descendants of the lowest class of British settler to populate the U.S. - the ”Scots-Irish” from the England/Scotland border region. Maybe since the environment of Australia was much harsher than that of Appalachia, there were more eugenic pressures on the early Australians, so that the more intelligent ones were more likely to breed.
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  • @anon
    Just Jews ("the usual leftists") up to their usual mischief. Australia had about 200,000 Aborigines when whites arrived. That is about ONE-FIFTH the population of Delaware, in a country just about the same size as the contiguous United States. The idea that they "owned" Australia is absurd. They did not occupy the land at all in any meaningful sense. There were simply not enough of them to do so. When I travelled across Australia years ago I was astonished at how empty the interior of the country was.

    ” They did not occupy the land at all in any meaningful sense. ”

    In your western opinion.

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    No. Just in the view of common sense. Imagine 200,000 people "occupying" the whole of the contiguous 48 states. To say that America (which in this case would have no national capital, federal or other government) under such conditions would be a settled or occupied country would be absurd. Its not an "opinion" (western or otherwise). Just a fact. Greenland is an basically empty island and Antarctica is wholly empty.
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  • Talking about the dysfunction of Aboriginals take a look at this guy. As you watch remember I didn’t try to deceive you he claims to be an Aboriginal.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=04c_1466272874

    He’s bringing in infected leaves into Australia. What he was bringing in could destroy all the Eucalyptus trees. Now are we to believe that the people like him who are so smart, so they say, would pack up infected leaves, just the leaves, and smuggle them in the country by accident? I believe he did this on purpose. I would have never thought such a thing before I became wise to people like him. I believe they do stuff like this all the time if they feel they can get away with it and harm anyone not like them. All their advice is rotten. If someone believes different then explain what he would be doing carefully packing up infected leaves?

    He wants to skip ahead in the customs line. He claims he’s an Aboriginal??? But you know what he is.

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=04c_1466272874

    https://www.darkmoon.me/2015/anti-semitism-rears-its-ugly-head-at-sydney-airport/

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    • Replies: @Rerevisionist
    An interesting possibility is that promoting a low salt diet is an intentionally damaging policy by Jewish pressure groups. Salt is necessary for making stomach hydrochloric acid, needed for defence against parasites and bacteria etc; but also to increase body alkanity; and to provide some surplus sodium compounds which are needed for tough bone structure.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZR-VktCWRk
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    I don't know that anyone has looked into the structure of anti-salt movement and would be interested in information.
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