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    The New York Times editorial board is extremely upset that, unlike the feckless Euros, the elected government of Australia has implemented a successful policy that both deters illegal aliens from drowning and keeps them out of Australia: A First World country without strong borders is an Attractive Nuisance. Not having effective policies to deter illegal...
  • Just an attempt to clear up some of the general ignorance about Australia displayed here

    Australia received 165,000 convicts between 1788 and 1868 .
    Is that a lot ? I expect more were sent to the 13 Colonies pre 1788. ( look at West Virginia )

    About 20% of Australians have some convict ancestry according to Wikipedia ( including me )
    While I guess by definition they were largely from the “lower orders ” a surprising no weren’t . There was a policy of sending people considered to have the possibility of “rehabilitation “ie people with skills and a work ethic . There was at one time some shame in having the “convict stain ” so it was hushed up in genteel society but notwithstanding this it was impossible to pick out given that intermarriage was the norm
    Anyway many many more can claim descent from the Gold Rushes of the 1850s ( 700,000 came in that decade )

    Also until fairly recent times ( ie of people still living ) Australians talked of themselves as being predominantly British ( including Irish ) who were moving from one part of the British world ( the “Mother Country” ) to another part of the British world . Quite different from the US ( since 1776/1783 anyway ) ie they weren’t consciously changing their nationality or allegiance . That has been a gradual thing .

    I am struck by the increasing nos of young Eurasian people in modern Australia so maybe that is the future ( eg for instance the golfer Jason Day and the tennis player Nick Kyrgios ) Not sure what to make of that . I expect most will end up with white partners so they will move back into the mainstream white community ( like Derb’s offspring ? )

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    Australia is unique among white majority countries in that it was formed from the dregs of another white society. Other places like the US, Canada and New Zealand attracted a large number of entrepreneurial and already wealthy people looking to expand their holdings.

    Australia was created by low level criminals and the people unlucky enough to be their jailers. Sydney was not a particularly great place to live in the early decades of settlement it was not a desirable assignment.

    The cultural difference between Australia and other white countries is large. It is the only one where the working class has actual political clout - the "Aussie Battler" is seen as something politicians must make allowances for. In all other similar countries the working class is an abstraction. The fact that blue collar and white collar workers have very similar incomes in Australia and nowhere else is a striking outcome of this national trait. In fact, blue collar workers often out earn white collar workers. White collar work is more of a personality choice. In other English speaking countries blue collar vs white collar is the difference between an awful life and a comfortable one.

    Australians are (proudly) unsophisticated. They are not "clever" enough to see that destroying the fabric of their society is a good thing.

    Australia is unique among white majority countries in that it was formed from the dregs of another white society. Other places like the US, Canada and New Zealand attracted a large number of entrepreneurial and already wealthy people looking to expand their holdings.

    Not entirely true. While Australia did initially start as a penal colony, free settlers quickly outnumbered convicts once the opportunities in pastoralism, agriculture and mining became apparent. The convicts served as a cheap, compliant labour force in the early years of British settlement, clearing the land and building the infrastructure that would facilitate large-scale free settlement during the 1800s.

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  • It should be pointed out to non-Australian readers that while Australia is quite tough on “irregular maritime arrivals”, the country has a very generous legal immigration and refugee intake. I would argue too generous. Australia has the highest per capita permanent immigration intake in the world, ahead of the United States and even mad Canada. This is despite a weakening Australian economy and an unemployment rate higher than that in the United States.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “President Assad is a white man.”

    The Alawites apparently achieved power in Syria because they were the minority favored by the French. The history of the Alawites in Syria isn’t the clearest thing…

    The Alawites seem clustered on the coast and the Syrian coastal mountain range. Not suggesting there’s any direct group connection, but at one time (11th and 12th centuries) there were a number of Crusader States established in the area of Syria. When the Crusader States finally fell not everyone made it out. So maybe… On the other hand, when the Crusaders invaded what it now Syria, they fought the Alawites until they decided they weren’t really Islamic.

    Crusader states

    Principality of Antioch

    The wikipeida article on the Alawites notes that many apparently were settlers (in the 13th century), after the time of the Crusader states, who came from the area around that Yazidi mountain (Mount Sinjar). A reminder that populations often used to move/migrate around a lot and the world had a lesser population density than today.

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  • @Hosswire
    "His policies have been inhumane, of dubious legality and strikingly at odds with the country’s tradition of welcoming people fleeing persecution and war"

    I guess when something is sensible, effective and popular the worst that someone can come up with to say about it is that it's not nice.

    And an Aussie wouldn’t even bat an eye at what they said. From what I hear, the Australian political climate is characterized by saying things that are as mean as possible while maintaining a thin veneer of decorum:

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  • I think soon enough some small nation will see the “business opportunity” and dress-up as a “white homeland” for purely mercenary reasons…there is already demand for it, and as tides of people wash about here and there in the near future, the segment of white people who favor zero diversity in their own areas will become more annoyed and visionary and willing to jump…my guess I’d say within ten years

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  • @Svigor

    Some European officials may be tempted to adopt the hard-line approach Australia has used to stem a similar tide of migrants. That would be unconscionable.

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott has overseen a ruthlessly effective effort to stop boats packed with migrants, many of them refugees, from reaching Australia’s shores. His policies have been inhumane, of dubious legality and strikingly at odds with the country’s tradition of welcoming people fleeing persecution and war.

    Since 2013, Australia has deployed its navy to turn back boats with migrants, including asylum seekers, before they could get close to its shores. Military personnel force vessels carrying people from Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Eritrea and other conflict-roiled nations toward Indonesia, where most of the journeys begin.
     
    So, a lot like Israel, but not as ruthless. Unlike the hostile Jews at NYT, I welcome this prospect for America and Australia, the way they welcome it for Israel.

    (The debate seemed to go on forever here in Australia about this issue. It was only ACTION which proved that the flow of people could be stopped. Only then did the moral supremacists on the Left finally shut up).
     
    Sounds like the Australian left needs more Jews. Nothing ever shuts them up.

    P.S., Silver has a point; Australia should scuttle the boats after they've towed them back to wherever and emptied them of passengers.

    Why wouldn’t Australia want to take in these desperate, entitled refugees? Aside from it being their moral obligation, they are also forgoing all the well-attested cultural and economic benefits of increased diversity.
     
    You know, when you put it like that, I guess I kind of understand why leftists come here and screech at and insult us instead. They've really got nothin' either way, so they might as well vent.

    Silver has a point; Australia should scuttle the boats after they’ve towed them back to wherever and emptied them of passengers.

    The refugee boats are always scuttled by burning them at sea: Navy Burns Asylum Boats

    Sometimes the refugees are transferred from their boats to specially made orange lifeboats, packed with supplies, and the refugees given bon voyage back to whence they came: First close-up look at a lifeboat the Abbott Government is using to stop asylum seeker boats

    A large part of Operation Sovereign Borders’ success is due to the policy principal that operational matters are not discussed with the public:

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott compared border protection to being on a war footing.”We are in a fierce contest with these people smugglers,” he said on January 10. “And if we were at war, we wouldn’t be giving out information that is of use to the enemy just because we might have an idle curiosity about it ourselves.”

    That reason alone made Abbott a Stalin or Hitler, depending on which one one hates the most for demonstrating pure Evil (I hope you all choose Hitler for your own sake).

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  • Some European officials may be tempted to adopt the hard-line approach Australia has used to stem a similar tide of migrants. That would be unconscionable.

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott has overseen a ruthlessly effective effort to stop boats packed with migrants, many of them refugees, from reaching Australia’s shores. His policies have been inhumane, of dubious legality and strikingly at odds with the country’s tradition of welcoming people fleeing persecution and war.

    Since 2013, Australia has deployed its navy to turn back boats with migrants, including asylum seekers, before they could get close to its shores. Military personnel force vessels carrying people from Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Eritrea and other conflict-roiled nations toward Indonesia, where most of the journeys begin.

    So, a lot like Israel, but not as ruthless. Unlike the hostile Jews at NYT, I welcome this prospect for America and Australia, the way they welcome it for Israel.

    (The debate seemed to go on forever here in Australia about this issue. It was only ACTION which proved that the flow of people could be stopped. Only then did the moral supremacists on the Left finally shut up).

    Sounds like the Australian left needs more Jews. Nothing ever shuts them up.

    P.S., Silver has a point; Australia should scuttle the boats after they’ve towed them back to wherever and emptied them of passengers.

    Why wouldn’t Australia want to take in these desperate, entitled refugees? Aside from it being their moral obligation, they are also forgoing all the well-attested cultural and economic benefits of increased diversity.

    You know, when you put it like that, I guess I kind of understand why leftists come here and screech at and insult us instead. They’ve really got nothin’ either way, so they might as well vent.

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    Silver has a point; Australia should scuttle the boats after they’ve towed them back to wherever and emptied them of passengers.

    The refugee boats are always scuttled by burning them at sea: Navy Burns Asylum Boats

    Sometimes the refugees are transferred from their boats to specially made orange lifeboats, packed with supplies, and the refugees given bon voyage back to whence they came: First close-up look at a lifeboat the Abbott Government is using to stop asylum seeker boats

    A large part of Operation Sovereign Borders' success is due to the policy principal that operational matters are not discussed with the public:

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott compared border protection to being on a war footing."We are in a fierce contest with these people smugglers," he said on January 10. "And if we were at war, we wouldn't be giving out information that is of use to the enemy just because we might have an idle curiosity about it ourselves."

    That reason alone made Abbott a Stalin or Hitler, depending on which one one hates the most for demonstrating pure Evil (I hope you all choose Hitler for your own sake).

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  • @BubbaJoe
    I guess I've misread Bryan Caplan and the WSJ all these years. The libertarianism refers to de facto open boarders, not what immigrants get once inside the country. It's the getting in part that earns the libertarian label. And also to what the people who benefit from that policy get to do as a result- pay lower wages, undermine the bargaining power of workers, and feast off our social capital. That's libertarianism in practice. But maybe you're one of those people who think the Soviet Union wasn't really communist. The idea just hasn't been tried!

    If there’s a subsidy involved, that violates the liberty of those paying. The word for that is illibertarian.

    So, yes, if Caplan supports subsidized immigration (never mind the iron fist of antidiscrimination law), then I’m calling him on it.

    By the way, “open boarders” sounds like sluts in a flophouse.

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  • @Anonymous
    Interesting that liberals are recently on record with their love of Australia's mid 90s gun buyback program and their hate of its effective immigration policies

    Interesting that liberals are recently on record with their love of Australia’s mid 90s gun buyback program and their hate of its effective immigration policies

    Rupert Murdoch pushed both, didn’t he? John Howard, at least the former. Are these people even white?

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  • @silviosilver
    Okay Sean, off the top of your head, what is the contribution that mining and drilling make to Australian GDP? You don't have the slightest clue, do you? That's okay, neither do most economic ignoramuses.

    Fact is, Australia would easily be a first world country with one hundredth of its territory and one hundredth of its natural resources.

    Fact is, Australia would easily be a first world country with one hundredth of its territory and one hundredth of its natural resources.

    Compare Norway and Denmark. One blessed with everything, the other with nothing. Yet the standard of living is almost identical.

    Some resources are more equal than other.

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  • @Divine Right
    "Get around more. You’ve confused fifty-four rural and Rust Belt counties with Scarsdale and Chappaqua."

    I get around just fine. Perhaps you should take your own advice. Upstate New York is still 80% non-Hispanic white. Chappaqua is 91% non-Hispanic white (with a population of less than 10,000) and Scarsdale is 84% non-Hispanic white (with a population of less than 18,000). You imply a significant difference when no such difference currently exists. Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.

    https://pad.human.cornell.edu/presentations/slides/NYSARH/Demographics%20of%20Upstate%20New%20York.pdf

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarsdale,_New_York

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaqua,_New_York

    .

    You imply a significant difference when no such difference currently exists.

    I grew up in New York State, closer to Queen’s University (Ontario) than to Queens County (New York), and return periodically to visit family. It is not Silicon Valley.

    The place has been depopulating for decades. Immigrants are avoiding the area because there are no jobs– the same reason white folks (like me) left. Immigrants and native migrants go to the same states, for the same reasons: Texas, Arizona, Florida.

    Also, the weather sucks. That doesn’t hurt Minnesota or Wisconsin (or Chicagoland or Toronto) with their stable economies. It kills jobless Michigan, Ohio, and western New York.

    Your equation of a large, slowly dying Rust Belt dystopia with selected chic, overpriced municipalities and counties is just weird. Nobody’s priced out of Schenectady or Syracuse or Lockport.

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  • @Pat Hannagan
    Sort of, but not quite. Rupert comes back here every now and then to lecture us on how the USA is failing to re-elect a new people and as such will have no future, whereas us Awssssiessss have this once in a life time opportunity to replace ourselves with High IQ Asians (an HBDers wetdream come true).

    Rupert Murdoch says Australia must embrace immigrants to boost economy

    Rupert Murdoch says Australia needs to embrace high immigration to add dynamism to the economy, enhance its human capital and create strong bonds with the rest of the world.

    ...

    The positive intervention on immigration was a significant theme of a lecture the media mogul delivered at the Lowy Institute in Sydney on Thursday evening.

    "We think of the United States as an immigrant nation, and rightly so," Murdoch told his audience in Sydney.

    "But the percentage of foreign-born in the United States, a country currently racked by a self-defeating debate over immigration policy, is just about 12%. Incredibly, Australia is double that," he said.

    "That means Australia is on the way to becoming what may be the world's most diverse nation. This is an incredible competitive advantage.

    There's obviously a fair amount of self-interest in his urgings, not just with his business ventures but, I suppose, maybe in case he needs to update his Asian wife to a newer model.

    He's been back again just recently and has declared Rupert Murdoch calls for snap election in 'almost ungovernable' Australia

    He thinks Abbott is the best PM for the job but doesn't explain how having a snap election would get Abbott re-elected since all polls indicate the senate would be further "ungovernable", Abbott would easily be defeated by Labor, and thus the boats policy the NY Times rails against would suddenly come to an end and the influx of refugees begin again.

    Of course, Rupert doesn't live here so it's not his concern with those minor technical details.

    On a side issue, probably a bit arcane for US folks to understand, but worthwhile to relay in order to show what Rupert is really on about, Murdoch at one stage started a Rugby League war. He started his own Super League in an attempt to take Rugby League viewers to his Fox Sports subscription.

    There were two Rugby League competitions, Super League and the traditional League competition. Long story short, the bust up wasn't good for the game but good for Fox subscriptions. Everyone made peace and Fox Sports got a great deal on the newly merged again competition (Fox actually owned some of the new clubs). The NRL was born (National Rugby League).

    Anyway, recently the NRL got a bit uppity and started to make new contracts for television rights with other market players, did a deal that excluded Fox but was very good for promoting the game, as Fox had so many games locked from the public up on its pay channels.

    Rupert, as magnanimous as ever, stated that:

    “We’ve always believed this (AFL) is the premium code in Australia – it’s the national game,” Murdoch told reporters on Tuesday.

    “We believe in the strength of the game and we will do everything we can to make it stronger.”

    AFL, Australian Football League, is a completely different code to Rugby League, and supported mostly by non-NSW and QLD states. Effectively, Rupert has told the NRL to go fuck themselves, and that from now on he's the biggest AFL man in town and if you want to deal with him deal with that.

    The upshot is, whatever Murdoch is for is in your interests, even your national interests, and if you disagree he will destroy you.

    The only criticism I can remember being vouchsafed in William Shawcross’s somewhat adulatory biography of Murdoch is that he lacked imagination.

    If memory serves the example given was Rupe’s handling of the London Times which went from being the newspaper of record to being a respectable but defiantly middle-brow newspaper at one point.

    Shawcross said that he appeared not be grasp the difference between the merely workmanlike and real quality.

    Murdoch thrives on the numbers, the deal, the next move, nuance and depth of feeling are not his thing. Murdoch probably wouldn’t understand criticism of switching codes…

    (In fairness I should say that The Times almost always makes a loss and will be sold in the blink of an eye after he dies.)

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  • @Anonymous
    President Assad is a white man.

    I don't care what anyone says. Whenever I see him on television, I instinctively feel that he is 'one of our own'.

    You should get the terminology right. It’s “one of my own”.

    Actually I think you should travel a bit. You might find that even people who look like you do in distant parts often think in an entirely different way.

    It can be unnerving. Take Jeb Bush for example…

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  • @Sean
    Australia is a third world extraction industry based country with a first world lifestyle.

    Okay Sean, off the top of your head, what is the contribution that mining and drilling make to Australian GDP? You don’t have the slightest clue, do you? That’s okay, neither do most economic ignoramuses.

    Fact is, Australia would easily be a first world country with one hundredth of its territory and one hundredth of its natural resources.

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    Fact is, Australia would easily be a first world country with one hundredth of its territory and one hundredth of its natural resources.

     

    Compare Norway and Denmark. One blessed with everything, the other with nothing. Yet the standard of living is almost identical.

    Some resources are more equal than other.
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  • Australia is unique among white majority countries in that it was formed from the dregs of another white society. Other places like the US, Canada and New Zealand attracted a large number of entrepreneurial and already wealthy people looking to expand their holdings.

    Australia was created by low level criminals and the people unlucky enough to be their jailers. Sydney was not a particularly great place to live in the early decades of settlement it was not a desirable assignment.

    The cultural difference between Australia and other white countries is large. It is the only one where the working class has actual political clout – the “Aussie Battler” is seen as something politicians must make allowances for. In all other similar countries the working class is an abstraction. The fact that blue collar and white collar workers have very similar incomes in Australia and nowhere else is a striking outcome of this national trait. In fact, blue collar workers often out earn white collar workers. White collar work is more of a personality choice. In other English speaking countries blue collar vs white collar is the difference between an awful life and a comfortable one.

    Australians are (proudly) unsophisticated. They are not “clever” enough to see that destroying the fabric of their society is a good thing.

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    Australia is unique among white majority countries in that it was formed from the dregs of another white society. Other places like the US, Canada and New Zealand attracted a large number of entrepreneurial and already wealthy people looking to expand their holdings.

    Not entirely true. While Australia did initially start as a penal colony, free settlers quickly outnumbered convicts once the opportunities in pastoralism, agriculture and mining became apparent. The convicts served as a cheap, compliant labour force in the early years of British settlement, clearing the land and building the infrastructure that would facilitate large-scale free settlement during the 1800s.

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  • @BubbaJoe
    I haven't. Read the link. Past Aussie opposition to Asian immigration was economic. It was not based on notions of racial superiority. Most opposition to immigration is economic, not racial, yet it has been successfully painted as stemming from the latter.

    I haven’t. Read the link. Past Aussie opposition to Asian immigration was economic. It was not based on notions of racial superiority. Most opposition to immigration is economic, not racial, yet it has been successfully painted as stemming from the latter.

    “Successfully painted”. Isn’t that strange?

    Racial concerns are completely legitimate, as the opinion “painters” constantly tell us. And the immigrants, after all, are the aggressors, so they’re the ones engaging in racism.

    Or at least they would be, if “racism” weren’t defined as “the belief, or actions based on the belief, that not all conflicts of interest between Whites and non-Whites must be resolved in favor of the non-Whites”.

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  • @SPMoore8
    He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

    If we are going to accept the premise that the better off countries of the world (US, EU, Australia) have a moral duty to accept migrants from the less well off countries of the world, then it should follow that the better off countries of the world should be able to dictate the conditions in the less well off countries, beginning with birth control.

    The alternative is an absurd situation in which we allow laissez-faire life choices to everyone, until they fail, after which they get to move into our house and sleep on the couch.

    Naturally a situation like that is bound to awaken all kinds of instinctive rage and chaos, which will lead to even more stratification, violence, militarization of police forces, and brutality. So it follow that the most humane solution is to nip it in the bud, and that is why Australia's policies are correct.

    We are getting to the point where neo-colonialism will be the only hope for the West. The Camp of Saints model is cute, because it assumes passivity all the way down. But even Obama isn't going to accept 1,000 refugees into a White House that could probably house twice that number, if you stack the bunks high enough.

    “If we are going to accept the premise that the better off countries of the world (US, EU, Australia) have a moral duty to accept migrants from the less well off countries of the world, then it should follow that the better off countries of the world should be able to dictate the conditions in the less well off countries, beginning with birth control.”

    I totally agree, but I hope you realize the problem with advocating birth control. The fundamentalist Christians have apoplexy whenever anyone speaks about birth control, yet they are the first to complain about the onslaught of migrants changing the face of America. I have posted how the population of Syria was only 2.4 million in 1937 and 26 million today (or before the civil war started in 2011). Here is a comment I posted on a TAC blog two years ago:

    “tbraton says:
    May 30, 2013 at 10:53 am
    I don’t want to sound cold-hearted, but let’s put the 70,000, soon to be 100,000, dead in Syria in context. Syria’s population was only 2.4 million in 1937, only 14.2 million in 1995 (less than 20 years ago) and an estimated 26 million today. The U.S. population in 1900 was 76 million. Had U.S. population increased more than ten-fold, as Syria’s population has grown since 1937, we would now have more than 760 million people living in the U.S. There is no great shortage of Syrians in the world. The death toll in Syria pales in comparison to the civil wars being fought in the Congo. . . .”

    The connection between overpopulation in Syria and other places around the globe (Africa in particular) may be crystal clear to you and me, but not everyone can see the clear connection. Logic is a not a strong suit in those circles. I have to laugh when I recall the Tea Partiers calling for the Federal Government “to keep its hands off my Social Security and Medicare.”

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  • @Anonymous
    President Assad is a white man.

    I don't care what anyone says. Whenever I see him on television, I instinctively feel that he is 'one of our own'.

    I sympathise with him as much as you do.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    His father looked like John Cleese.

    That’s only because they’re Caucasian. But they still ain’t White! To be White you have to be EUROPEAN Caucasian! That’s who the American Indians were referring to when they came up with the term. Read the book Our Savage Neighbors. One of the things it deals with is where the term “White” came from. And as for “one of our own” we’ve already got Lenin, Stalin and Hitler who needs tin-pot dictators like the Assad’s?!

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  • “is like owning a swimming pool in your yard in a crowded neighborhood without putting up a fence around it ”

    A fence?! That’s RACIST! Besides fences don’t work!
    That’s the reason we have fences around prisons and nuclear facilities and military bases and the White House and Bill Maher’s mansion in Beverly Hills where THANK GOD they keep the poor colored folks out! OOPS! Sorry I wasn’t supposed to mention liberal/left hypocrisy regarding race. Because THAT’S RACIST!

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  • Just look at these huddled masses yearning to breathe free:

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=344_1441354394

    Why wouldn’t Australia want to take in these desperate, entitled refugees? Aside from it being their moral obligation, they are also forgoing all the well-attested cultural and economic benefits of increased diversity.

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  • @silviosilver

    It is worth remembering that Rupert Murdoch was born and raised in Melbourne -and schooled at Geelong Grammar
     
    My mother's first job was as a cleaning lady at Geelong Grammar, way back in the 50s. 'WASP' culture as it was in those days left a tremendous impression on her. She's as dumbfounded as anyone in her generation of southern european immigrants by the demographic and cultural changes now sweeping the country.

    WASPy Sydney back in the 60′s.

    http://youtube/vR1CU8NjGW0

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  • @Steve Sailer
    And, yet, that's a pretty awesome lifestyle if you like roaring around the Outback playing a double-necked electric guitar/bass/flamethrower:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEJnMQG9ev8

    Well they are to an appreciable extent descended from transported criminals. Aussie plays Russian Roulette, and a lady reporter gets the gun put to her head and the trigger pulled with hilarious results

    He had been drinking and after some messing around thought he had palmed the shell, so he was playing with it unloaded, it came a quite a surprise when it went off.

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  • @DavidB
    Why would he? The NYT is nothing to do with Rupert Murdoch.

    “Why would he? The NYT is nothing to do with Rupert Murdoch.”

    The point is that media mogul-types very rarely disagree on anything of substance, so it would be surprising if Murdoch did not agree with the NYT on this issue (the NYT may be SJW, and FAUX “news” may be neocon, but on immigration, and most other issues that actually matter, there’s seldom much difference between those two camps).

    But since Murdoch is at least ostensibly Australian, maybe he’s unwilling to betray his country in this case? He’s certainly pro-immigration with respect to the USA and Western Europe.

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  • @Sean
    Australia is a third world extraction industry based country with a first world lifestyle.

    Well that’s one way of putting it . Another might be that it’s a services based economy with a significant engineering component

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    His father looked like John Cleese.

    Yes, indeed.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    The iPhone 6 is a helluva smartphone. If you are stuck with some Nokia piece of junk and all your cousins who went to went to Europe are posting pictures of themselves with their iPhone 6s, well, you might get the itch to travel too.

    It’s blasphemy. I still have Nokia 3310 in the drawer. It is the greatest mobile ever produced and after ten or more years it’s still working. You could also use it as a hammer.

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  • Interesting that liberals are recently on record with their love of Australia’s mid 90s gun buyback program and their hate of its effective immigration policies

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    Interesting that liberals are recently on record with their love of Australia’s mid 90s gun buyback program and their hate of its effective immigration policies

     

    Rupert Murdoch pushed both, didn't he? John Howard, at least the former. Are these people even white?
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  • @Anonymous
    President Assad is a white man.

    I don't care what anyone says. Whenever I see him on television, I instinctively feel that he is 'one of our own'.

    His father looked like John Cleese.

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    Yes, indeed.
    , @Sam Houston
    That's only because they're Caucasian. But they still ain't White! To be White you have to be EUROPEAN Caucasian! That's who the American Indians were referring to when they came up with the term. Read the book Our Savage Neighbors. One of the things it deals with is where the term "White" came from. And as for "one of our own" we've already got Lenin, Stalin and Hitler who needs tin-pot dictators like the Assad's?!
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  • @5371
    Syrians are not white. Both their appearances and genomes are easy to distinguish from those of white people, including ones from the shores of the Mediterranean. And do you really think there are no jihadists among these "refugees" even now, let alone in the future?

    President Assad is a white man.

    I don’t care what anyone says. Whenever I see him on television, I instinctively feel that he is ‘one of our own’.

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    His father looked like John Cleese.
    , @5371
    I sympathise with him as much as you do.
    , @Bill B.
    You should get the terminology right. It's "one of my own".

    Actually I think you should travel a bit. You might find that even people who look like you do in distant parts often think in an entirely different way.

    It can be unnerving. Take Jeb Bush for example...
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  • @Sean
    Australia is a third world extraction industry based country with a first world lifestyle.

    And, yet, that’s a pretty awesome lifestyle if you like roaring around the Outback playing a double-necked electric guitar/bass/flamethrower:

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    Well they are to an appreciable extent descended from transported criminals. Aussie plays Russian Roulette, and a lady reporter gets the gun put to her head and the trigger pulled with hilarious results

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0mVkUnlRGA

    He had been drinking and after some messing around thought he had palmed the shell, so he was playing with it unloaded, it came a quite a surprise when it went off.

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  • Australia is a third world extraction industry based country with a first world lifestyle.

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    And, yet, that's a pretty awesome lifestyle if you like roaring around the Outback playing a double-necked electric guitar/bass/flamethrower:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEJnMQG9ev8

    , @sb
    Well that's one way of putting it . Another might be that it's a services based economy with a significant engineering component
    , @silviosilver
    Okay Sean, off the top of your head, what is the contribution that mining and drilling make to Australian GDP? You don't have the slightest clue, do you? That's okay, neither do most economic ignoramuses.

    Fact is, Australia would easily be a first world country with one hundredth of its territory and one hundredth of its natural resources.
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  • @Steve Sailer
    I have a friend from Melbourne's upper crust. He's a few years younger than Murdoch, and is pals with Rupert's mom's side of the family, the Greens. He's way classier than just about any American I know.

    It was a magnificent culture. Today its dying embers still burn brightly enough to serve as a beacon to those of us looking to make a cultural about-face.

    I was fortunate enough to receive instruction from older teachers who had been immersed in it, but I was too rebellious for it to really rub off on me. I secretly admired it, but like Obama, I felt it wasn’t mine and I was too proud to pretend. Well, I’ve learned my lesson: you can’t be too proud.

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  • @silviosilver

    It is worth remembering that Rupert Murdoch was born and raised in Melbourne -and schooled at Geelong Grammar
     
    My mother's first job was as a cleaning lady at Geelong Grammar, way back in the 50s. 'WASP' culture as it was in those days left a tremendous impression on her. She's as dumbfounded as anyone in her generation of southern european immigrants by the demographic and cultural changes now sweeping the country.

    I have a friend from Melbourne’s upper crust. He’s a few years younger than Murdoch, and is pals with Rupert’s mom’s side of the family, the Greens. He’s way classier than just about any American I know.

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    It was a magnificent culture. Today its dying embers still burn brightly enough to serve as a beacon to those of us looking to make a cultural about-face.

    I was fortunate enough to receive instruction from older teachers who had been immersed in it, but I was too rebellious for it to really rub off on me. I secretly admired it, but like Obama, I felt it wasn't mine and I was too proud to pretend. Well, I've learned my lesson: you can't be too proud.
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  • @sb
    It is worth remembering that Rupert Murdoch was born and raised in Melbourne -and schooled at Geelong Grammar ( which I note in passing is currently the subject of past (?) child sex scandals ) so the football he would know is Australian Rules ( my guess is that when he was there the playing of Australian Rules football was compulsory )

    I'd say the data supports Australian Rules football being ( the closest Australia has to ) the national game .
    Both games have largely separate spheres of influence but Australian Rules is of minority interest in Rugby League dominant areas whereas Rugby League is mainly non existent in dominant Australian Rules areas . ( for instance isn't the Sydney Swans AFL team the biggest crowd puller team in Sydney although Sydney as a whole is Rugby League territory ? )
    I think Murdoch knows that Rugby League can't grow very much from a smaller base whereas AFL can .Remember fewer people identify as working class every year
    Murdoch lost a lot of money learning this .

    Murdoch has always been an immigration booster - Big is Best right ?
    After all that is how it works in business right ? And no one has ever accused him of being particularly pro WASP ( being Scottish and all ) .
    Although methinks there has there been a noticeable decrease in his Sinophilia in the past few years .
    Wonder what caused that .
    Some of his comments have also made me curious whether ,if in his dotage , he is wondering whether he would have been happier had he stayed in Australia rather than tried to conquer the world . Not that he would ever admit that.

    I had a look at the NYT editorial -pretty predictable -but was more interested in the attached comments .
    I would expect most NYT commentators are overwhelmingly pro same sex marriage , pro climate change , have a lot of self induced white guilt etc etc but my reading was that a clear majority supported Australia's actions . I was pleasantly surprised . ( I also presume that there is editing ? -isn't there always in journals of the left ? )

    It is worth remembering that Rupert Murdoch was born and raised in Melbourne -and schooled at Geelong Grammar

    My mother’s first job was as a cleaning lady at Geelong Grammar, way back in the 50s. ‘WASP’ culture as it was in those days left a tremendous impression on her. She’s as dumbfounded as anyone in her generation of southern european immigrants by the demographic and cultural changes now sweeping the country.

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    I have a friend from Melbourne's upper crust. He's a few years younger than Murdoch, and is pals with Rupert's mom's side of the family, the Greens. He's way classier than just about any American I know.
    , @Tacitus2016
    WASPy Sydney back in the 60's.

    http://youtube/vR1CU8NjGW0
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  • @5371
    Syrians are not white. Both their appearances and genomes are easy to distinguish from those of white people, including ones from the shores of the Mediterranean. And do you really think there are no jihadists among these "refugees" even now, let alone in the future?

    Syrians are not phenotypically uniform. A large number of them are white/whitish, or at least the white man’s racial next-of-kin. Others, though, are very brown and ‘araby.’

    Personally, even though I would not thrust them on Europe, I tend towards liking them racially more than disliking them. Culturally, however, they’re a disaster. It pains me to see a people I’m racially favorably disposed towards being such a cultural disaster.

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  • @Emblematic
    Actually they do. The navy intercepts the boats and either tows them back to Indonesia or transfers the people to refugee camps on tiny Pacific islands where they then become the U.N.'s problem.

    It is indeed a very harsh policy, and many of the boat people really are refugees. Refugees whose lives have been ruined by the turmoil in the Middle East, which Australia, as a constant supporter of America's meddling, is arguably partly responsible for.

    But the bottom line is the policy works. And before it was introduced many hundreds of people drowned trying to make the crossing.

    (The debate seemed to go on forever here in Australia about this issue. It was only ACTION which proved that the flow of people could be stopped. Only then did the moral supremacists on the Left finally shut up).

    It is indeed a very harsh policy, and many of the boat people really are refugees. Refugees whose lives have been ruined by the turmoil in the Middle East, which Australia, as a constant supporter of America’s meddling, is arguably partly responsible for.

    It’s not a harsh policy at all. You want to see harsh policy elect somebody like me: I promise to sink – not tow – their boats. Then they will respect us.

    We owe them nothing, whether they’re real refugees or not.

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  • @Anonymous
    Somehow, I have the feeling that the (just still) white nations of the world should somehow I organise a 'population swap' involving their own 'ethnic' malcontents eg jihad I Pakistanis in Britain, hate-filled violent evil blacks in America, move them to Syria and take the Syrians in their place.
    At least, the Syrians actually *seem* grateful, at this stage, at least, to the white man - and looking at them on television, they are basically off-color white people.
    But, I'd never say this about sub Saharans or indeed sub Continentals.

    Syrians are not white. Both their appearances and genomes are easy to distinguish from those of white people, including ones from the shores of the Mediterranean. And do you really think there are no jihadists among these “refugees” even now, let alone in the future?

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    Syrians are not phenotypically uniform. A large number of them are white/whitish, or at least the white man's racial next-of-kin. Others, though, are very brown and 'araby.'

    Personally, even though I would not thrust them on Europe, I tend towards liking them racially more than disliking them. Culturally, however, they're a disaster. It pains me to see a people I'm racially favorably disposed towards being such a cultural disaster.

    , @Anonymous
    President Assad is a white man.

    I don't care what anyone says. Whenever I see him on television, I instinctively feel that he is 'one of our own'.
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  • We’ve seen these before here, but this is a link to the Australian warning videos for potential boat people: https://www.youtube.com/user/AusCustomsNews .

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  • @Anonymous
    Well the Icelanders want to take in Syrians.
    So I suppose the Faroese are next.
    A case of 'whale meat again' , no doubt.

    Sending people from Syria to Iceland is insane. For $10K some crook trafficer can get you from Mexico to Canada where high paying work and luxury apartment awaits.

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  • @Anonymous
    They aren't ruthless. They don't turn back migrants with flotillas of gunboats. The Aussies made it clear that no one would get through. So the illegal infiltrators immediately stopped coming (and stopped drowning).

    In fact, the Aussies have saved countless lives by the simple expedient of growing a pair and a growing a backbone.

    Human trafficers are making millions illegally and now if a country takes a stand against human trafficing they are accused of being unfriendly. It’s 1984. Work is slavery, slavery is freedom, hate is love and debt is wealth. Wait until the shootings, stabbings and robberies start. Europe is planning on building a million new houses a year. Better plan more jails. Even the desperate don’t want to be in Greece.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @iSteveFan
    What exactly do the refugees want? I can understand their immediate goal is to get out of the war zone. Well once they hit Turkey, they accomplished that. But apparently they don't like Turkey. So they move on to Greece. As in Turkey they are safely out of the war zone, but like Turkey they don't wish to stay. So they move on and on. And along the way the Hungarians and Czechs try to stop them. They clash with the Hungarians and Czechs and say they just want to get to Germany.

    OK, so what do they want in Germany? Are they going to Germany because it is culturally similar and they feel they will better fit in? Are they going to Germany because they feel there are plenty of jobs waiting for them that they are qualified to fill? Or are they going to Germany because they are expecting generous handouts and living accommodations?

    Now let's imagine the Germans don't give them the generous benefits and living accommodations. Will the refugees be OK with that since all they ever wanted to do was get to Germany?

    Now we all know the Germany government will take care of these people. They have no Donald Trump for the time being. But it is depressing to see these refugees clearly descending upon Germany to take advantage of the social safety net built by the German people to care for their own. And it is more depressing that the German government will give them what they want at the expense of their own people.

    Because of the EU, if Germany is not agreeable to them, then they will simply move off to pastures new in the EU.
    This happened before. Most of Britain’s Somalis were originally taken in by the Netherlands. The Dutch realised that they were a massive tax drain, and cut their entitlements. So they all moved to the UK, and all got council houses.

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    Somehow, I have the feeling that the (just still) white nations of the world should somehow I organise a ‘population swap’ involving their own ‘ethnic’ malcontents eg jihad I Pakistanis in Britain, hate-filled violent evil blacks in America, move them to Syria and take the Syrians in their place.
    At least, the Syrians actually *seem* grateful, at this stage, at least, to the white man – and looking at them on television, they are basically off-color white people.
    But, I’d never say this about sub Saharans or indeed sub Continentals.

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    Syrians are not white. Both their appearances and genomes are easy to distinguish from those of white people, including ones from the shores of the Mediterranean. And do you really think there are no jihadists among these "refugees" even now, let alone in the future?
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  • @Pat Hannagan
    Sort of, but not quite. Rupert comes back here every now and then to lecture us on how the USA is failing to re-elect a new people and as such will have no future, whereas us Awssssiessss have this once in a life time opportunity to replace ourselves with High IQ Asians (an HBDers wetdream come true).

    Rupert Murdoch says Australia must embrace immigrants to boost economy

    Rupert Murdoch says Australia needs to embrace high immigration to add dynamism to the economy, enhance its human capital and create strong bonds with the rest of the world.

    ...

    The positive intervention on immigration was a significant theme of a lecture the media mogul delivered at the Lowy Institute in Sydney on Thursday evening.

    "We think of the United States as an immigrant nation, and rightly so," Murdoch told his audience in Sydney.

    "But the percentage of foreign-born in the United States, a country currently racked by a self-defeating debate over immigration policy, is just about 12%. Incredibly, Australia is double that," he said.

    "That means Australia is on the way to becoming what may be the world's most diverse nation. This is an incredible competitive advantage.

    There's obviously a fair amount of self-interest in his urgings, not just with his business ventures but, I suppose, maybe in case he needs to update his Asian wife to a newer model.

    He's been back again just recently and has declared Rupert Murdoch calls for snap election in 'almost ungovernable' Australia

    He thinks Abbott is the best PM for the job but doesn't explain how having a snap election would get Abbott re-elected since all polls indicate the senate would be further "ungovernable", Abbott would easily be defeated by Labor, and thus the boats policy the NY Times rails against would suddenly come to an end and the influx of refugees begin again.

    Of course, Rupert doesn't live here so it's not his concern with those minor technical details.

    On a side issue, probably a bit arcane for US folks to understand, but worthwhile to relay in order to show what Rupert is really on about, Murdoch at one stage started a Rugby League war. He started his own Super League in an attempt to take Rugby League viewers to his Fox Sports subscription.

    There were two Rugby League competitions, Super League and the traditional League competition. Long story short, the bust up wasn't good for the game but good for Fox subscriptions. Everyone made peace and Fox Sports got a great deal on the newly merged again competition (Fox actually owned some of the new clubs). The NRL was born (National Rugby League).

    Anyway, recently the NRL got a bit uppity and started to make new contracts for television rights with other market players, did a deal that excluded Fox but was very good for promoting the game, as Fox had so many games locked from the public up on its pay channels.

    Rupert, as magnanimous as ever, stated that:

    “We’ve always believed this (AFL) is the premium code in Australia – it’s the national game,” Murdoch told reporters on Tuesday.

    “We believe in the strength of the game and we will do everything we can to make it stronger.”

    AFL, Australian Football League, is a completely different code to Rugby League, and supported mostly by non-NSW and QLD states. Effectively, Rupert has told the NRL to go fuck themselves, and that from now on he's the biggest AFL man in town and if you want to deal with him deal with that.

    The upshot is, whatever Murdoch is for is in your interests, even your national interests, and if you disagree he will destroy you.

    It is worth remembering that Rupert Murdoch was born and raised in Melbourne -and schooled at Geelong Grammar ( which I note in passing is currently the subject of past (?) child sex scandals ) so the football he would know is Australian Rules ( my guess is that when he was there the playing of Australian Rules football was compulsory )

    I’d say the data supports Australian Rules football being ( the closest Australia has to ) the national game .
    Both games have largely separate spheres of influence but Australian Rules is of minority interest in Rugby League dominant areas whereas Rugby League is mainly non existent in dominant Australian Rules areas . ( for instance isn’t the Sydney Swans AFL team the biggest crowd puller team in Sydney although Sydney as a whole is Rugby League territory ? )
    I think Murdoch knows that Rugby League can’t grow very much from a smaller base whereas AFL can .Remember fewer people identify as working class every year
    Murdoch lost a lot of money learning this .

    Murdoch has always been an immigration booster – Big is Best right ?
    After all that is how it works in business right ? And no one has ever accused him of being particularly pro WASP ( being Scottish and all ) .
    Although methinks there has there been a noticeable decrease in his Sinophilia in the past few years .
    Wonder what caused that .
    Some of his comments have also made me curious whether ,if in his dotage , he is wondering whether he would have been happier had he stayed in Australia rather than tried to conquer the world . Not that he would ever admit that.

    I had a look at the NYT editorial -pretty predictable -but was more interested in the attached comments .
    I would expect most NYT commentators are overwhelmingly pro same sex marriage , pro climate change , have a lot of self induced white guilt etc etc but my reading was that a clear majority supported Australia’s actions . I was pleasantly surprised . ( I also presume that there is editing ? -isn’t there always in journals of the left ? )

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    It is worth remembering that Rupert Murdoch was born and raised in Melbourne -and schooled at Geelong Grammar
     
    My mother's first job was as a cleaning lady at Geelong Grammar, way back in the 50s. 'WASP' culture as it was in those days left a tremendous impression on her. She's as dumbfounded as anyone in her generation of southern european immigrants by the demographic and cultural changes now sweeping the country.
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  • @Reg Cæsar
    Oh, and for the umpteenth time, American immigration policy isn't remotely libertarian.

    Go ahead, try discriminating against these people. Try and block them from entering the food stamp office. Try and pay as little income tax as they do. See what happens to you.

    I guess I’ve misread Bryan Caplan and the WSJ all these years. The libertarianism refers to de facto open boarders, not what immigrants get once inside the country. It’s the getting in part that earns the libertarian label. And also to what the people who benefit from that policy get to do as a result- pay lower wages, undermine the bargaining power of workers, and feast off our social capital. That’s libertarianism in practice. But maybe you’re one of those people who think the Soviet Union wasn’t really communist. The idea just hasn’t been tried!

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    If there's a subsidy involved, that violates the liberty of those paying. The word for that is illibertarian.

    So, yes, if Caplan supports subsidized immigration (never mind the iron fist of antidiscrimination law), then I'm calling him on it.

    By the way, "open boarders" sounds like sluts in a flophouse.
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  • @Sian
    Ugh.

    It makes me want to move to the Faroe Islands.

    Well the Icelanders want to take in Syrians.
    So I suppose the Faroese are next.
    A case of ‘whale meat again’ , no doubt.

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    Sending people from Syria to Iceland is insane. For $10K some crook trafficer can get you from Mexico to Canada where high paying work and luxury apartment awaits.
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  • @Reg Cæsar

    You had Kearney in California, and various Cornish, Irish, Finnish, Swedish, and English miners out west opposed to Chinese labor specifically because of wage disparities
     
    Yeah, but American miners weren't too crazy about Cornish, Irish, Finnish, Swedish, and English miners taking their jobs and lowering their wages, either. Don't kid yourself about why those groups were let in.

    I haven’t. Read the link. Past Aussie opposition to Asian immigration was economic. It was not based on notions of racial superiority. Most opposition to immigration is economic, not racial, yet it has been successfully painted as stemming from the latter.

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    I haven’t. Read the link. Past Aussie opposition to Asian immigration was economic. It was not based on notions of racial superiority. Most opposition to immigration is economic, not racial, yet it has been successfully painted as stemming from the latter.
     
    "Successfully painted". Isn't that strange?

    Racial concerns are completely legitimate, as the opinion "painters" constantly tell us. And the immigrants, after all, are the aggressors, so they're the ones engaging in racism.

    Or at least they would be, if "racism" weren't defined as "the belief, or actions based on the belief, that not all conflicts of interest between Whites and non-Whites must be resolved in favor of the non-Whites".
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    What really got on the tits of the Australians was the way their nation was being cynically and ruthlessly targeted by hard-nosed, cunning, professional people traffickers.

    Basically what they had were Iranians, Afghans, Sri Lankans and others, from thousands of miles and clear blue oceans away, – impersonating ‘desperate’ persons fleeing for their very lives, using well planned and well provisioned ocean going boats – stopping over in Indonesia for supplies and r and r amongst other things, more or less planning fake, bogus, little excursions to Australia, whilst blatantly bypassing umpteen ‘safe’ countries.

    There is only so much piss-taking people can take.

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  • @Reg Cæsar

    ……should resettle those migrants in better off parts of their country: Beverly Hills, Martha’s Vineyard, Silicon Valley, Upstate New York, Manhattan, Vermont, etc.

     

    Get around more. You've confused fifty-four rural and Rust Belt counties with Scarsdale and Chappaqua.

    Go to Utica sometime if you don't think appleknockers are getting enough immigrants. (OK, as Bosnians they're nominally white.) Or look up Jiverly Wong of Binghamton. Or Muzzammil Hassan of Orchard Park.

    “Get around more. You’ve confused fifty-four rural and Rust Belt counties with Scarsdale and Chappaqua.”

    I get around just fine. Perhaps you should take your own advice. Upstate New York is still 80% non-Hispanic white. Chappaqua is 91% non-Hispanic white (with a population of less than 10,000) and Scarsdale is 84% non-Hispanic white (with a population of less than 18,000). You imply a significant difference when no such difference currently exists. Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.

    https://pad.human.cornell.edu/presentations/slides/NYSARH/Demographics%20of%20Upstate%20New%20York.pdf

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarsdale,_New_York

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaqua,_New_York

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    .

    You imply a significant difference when no such difference currently exists.
     
    I grew up in New York State, closer to Queen's University (Ontario) than to Queens County (New York), and return periodically to visit family. It is not Silicon Valley.

    The place has been depopulating for decades. Immigrants are avoiding the area because there are no jobs-- the same reason white folks (like me) left. Immigrants and native migrants go to the same states, for the same reasons: Texas, Arizona, Florida.

    Also, the weather sucks. That doesn't hurt Minnesota or Wisconsin (or Chicagoland or Toronto) with their stable economies. It kills jobless Michigan, Ohio, and western New York.

    Your equation of a large, slowly dying Rust Belt dystopia with selected chic, overpriced municipalities and counties is just weird. Nobody's priced out of Schenectady or Syracuse or Lockport.
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  • Eritrea is not at war, although “conflict-roiled” is an attempt to suggest so. Nor is Iran, whence many of the would-be invaders of Australia came who were interviewed in another NYT tearjerker that was picked up here not long ago. Nor, for that matter, is fighting widespread in Sudan.

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  • @BubbaJoe
    Relevant- http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/history-wars/2011/01/the-white-australia-policy/

    It's interesting that so much anti-immigration opposition past and present boils down to economics/class. You had Kearney in California, and various Cornish, Irish, Finnish, Swedish, and English miners out west opposed to Chinese labor specifically because of wage disparities. Yet the slave power has been masterful at re-branding their money lust as anti-racism. There was a balance between labor and capital that kept things in check. If people want things back in check, they should consider being a tad more supportive of labor. This libertarianism nonsense is a total disaster.

    Oh, and for the umpteenth time, American immigration policy isn’t remotely libertarian.

    Go ahead, try discriminating against these people. Try and block them from entering the food stamp office. Try and pay as little income tax as they do. See what happens to you.

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    I guess I've misread Bryan Caplan and the WSJ all these years. The libertarianism refers to de facto open boarders, not what immigrants get once inside the country. It's the getting in part that earns the libertarian label. And also to what the people who benefit from that policy get to do as a result- pay lower wages, undermine the bargaining power of workers, and feast off our social capital. That's libertarianism in practice. But maybe you're one of those people who think the Soviet Union wasn't really communist. The idea just hasn't been tried!
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  • @BubbaJoe
    Relevant- http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/history-wars/2011/01/the-white-australia-policy/

    It's interesting that so much anti-immigration opposition past and present boils down to economics/class. You had Kearney in California, and various Cornish, Irish, Finnish, Swedish, and English miners out west opposed to Chinese labor specifically because of wage disparities. Yet the slave power has been masterful at re-branding their money lust as anti-racism. There was a balance between labor and capital that kept things in check. If people want things back in check, they should consider being a tad more supportive of labor. This libertarianism nonsense is a total disaster.

    You had Kearney in California, and various Cornish, Irish, Finnish, Swedish, and English miners out west opposed to Chinese labor specifically because of wage disparities

    Yeah, but American miners weren’t too crazy about Cornish, Irish, Finnish, Swedish, and English miners taking their jobs and lowering their wages, either. Don’t kid yourself about why those groups were let in.

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    I haven't. Read the link. Past Aussie opposition to Asian immigration was economic. It was not based on notions of racial superiority. Most opposition to immigration is economic, not racial, yet it has been successfully painted as stemming from the latter.
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  • @Divine Right
    "If we are going to accept the premise that the better off countries of the world (US, EU, Australia) have a moral duty to accept migrants from the less well off countries of the world, then it should follow that the better off countries...."

    ...should resettle those migrants in better off parts of their country: Beverly Hills, Martha's Vineyard, Silicon Valley, Upstate New York, Manhattan, Vermont, etc.

    While we are at it, we could also reform the prison system by offering non-violent offenders in red states reduced sentences in exchange for moving to low-cost (or free) section 8 housing that we could build in those areas.

    ……should resettle those migrants in better off parts of their country: Beverly Hills, Martha’s Vineyard, Silicon Valley, Upstate New York, Manhattan, Vermont, etc.

    Get around more. You’ve confused fifty-four rural and Rust Belt counties with Scarsdale and Chappaqua.

    Go to Utica sometime if you don’t think appleknockers are getting enough immigrants. (OK, as Bosnians they’re nominally white.) Or look up Jiverly Wong of Binghamton. Or Muzzammil Hassan of Orchard Park.

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    "Get around more. You’ve confused fifty-four rural and Rust Belt counties with Scarsdale and Chappaqua."

    I get around just fine. Perhaps you should take your own advice. Upstate New York is still 80% non-Hispanic white. Chappaqua is 91% non-Hispanic white (with a population of less than 10,000) and Scarsdale is 84% non-Hispanic white (with a population of less than 18,000). You imply a significant difference when no such difference currently exists. Thanks for adding nothing to the conversation.

    https://pad.human.cornell.edu/presentations/slides/NYSARH/Demographics%20of%20Upstate%20New%20York.pdf

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarsdale,_New_York

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaqua,_New_York

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  • @Anon
    Far from being "strikingly at odds" with Australia's traditional policy towards immigration, Prime Minister Abbott's approach is actually strikingly consonant with Australian tradition: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy

    Relevant- http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/history-wars/2011/01/the-white-australia-policy/

    It’s interesting that so much anti-immigration opposition past and present boils down to economics/class. You had Kearney in California, and various Cornish, Irish, Finnish, Swedish, and English miners out west opposed to Chinese labor specifically because of wage disparities. Yet the slave power has been masterful at re-branding their money lust as anti-racism. There was a balance between labor and capital that kept things in check. If people want things back in check, they should consider being a tad more supportive of labor. This libertarianism nonsense is a total disaster.

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    You had Kearney in California, and various Cornish, Irish, Finnish, Swedish, and English miners out west opposed to Chinese labor specifically because of wage disparities
     
    Yeah, but American miners weren't too crazy about Cornish, Irish, Finnish, Swedish, and English miners taking their jobs and lowering their wages, either. Don't kid yourself about why those groups were let in.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Oh, and for the umpteenth time, American immigration policy isn't remotely libertarian.

    Go ahead, try discriminating against these people. Try and block them from entering the food stamp office. Try and pay as little income tax as they do. See what happens to you.
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  • @Pat Hannagan
    Sort of, but not quite. Rupert comes back here every now and then to lecture us on how the USA is failing to re-elect a new people and as such will have no future, whereas us Awssssiessss have this once in a life time opportunity to replace ourselves with High IQ Asians (an HBDers wetdream come true).

    Rupert Murdoch says Australia must embrace immigrants to boost economy

    Rupert Murdoch says Australia needs to embrace high immigration to add dynamism to the economy, enhance its human capital and create strong bonds with the rest of the world.

    ...

    The positive intervention on immigration was a significant theme of a lecture the media mogul delivered at the Lowy Institute in Sydney on Thursday evening.

    "We think of the United States as an immigrant nation, and rightly so," Murdoch told his audience in Sydney.

    "But the percentage of foreign-born in the United States, a country currently racked by a self-defeating debate over immigration policy, is just about 12%. Incredibly, Australia is double that," he said.

    "That means Australia is on the way to becoming what may be the world's most diverse nation. This is an incredible competitive advantage.

    There's obviously a fair amount of self-interest in his urgings, not just with his business ventures but, I suppose, maybe in case he needs to update his Asian wife to a newer model.

    He's been back again just recently and has declared Rupert Murdoch calls for snap election in 'almost ungovernable' Australia

    He thinks Abbott is the best PM for the job but doesn't explain how having a snap election would get Abbott re-elected since all polls indicate the senate would be further "ungovernable", Abbott would easily be defeated by Labor, and thus the boats policy the NY Times rails against would suddenly come to an end and the influx of refugees begin again.

    Of course, Rupert doesn't live here so it's not his concern with those minor technical details.

    On a side issue, probably a bit arcane for US folks to understand, but worthwhile to relay in order to show what Rupert is really on about, Murdoch at one stage started a Rugby League war. He started his own Super League in an attempt to take Rugby League viewers to his Fox Sports subscription.

    There were two Rugby League competitions, Super League and the traditional League competition. Long story short, the bust up wasn't good for the game but good for Fox subscriptions. Everyone made peace and Fox Sports got a great deal on the newly merged again competition (Fox actually owned some of the new clubs). The NRL was born (National Rugby League).

    Anyway, recently the NRL got a bit uppity and started to make new contracts for television rights with other market players, did a deal that excluded Fox but was very good for promoting the game, as Fox had so many games locked from the public up on its pay channels.

    Rupert, as magnanimous as ever, stated that:

    “We’ve always believed this (AFL) is the premium code in Australia – it’s the national game,” Murdoch told reporters on Tuesday.

    “We believe in the strength of the game and we will do everything we can to make it stronger.”

    AFL, Australian Football League, is a completely different code to Rugby League, and supported mostly by non-NSW and QLD states. Effectively, Rupert has told the NRL to go fuck themselves, and that from now on he's the biggest AFL man in town and if you want to deal with him deal with that.

    The upshot is, whatever Murdoch is for is in your interests, even your national interests, and if you disagree he will destroy you.

    More fool Murdoch. I used to love AFL but the modern incarnation is unwatchable, congested rubbish. If Rupert thinks there’s a huge pay-TV audience desperate for AFL I think he’s very mistaken. AFL has an aging and declining supporter base. The future probably belongs to soccer.

    I actually prefer NRL these days.

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  • @Anonymous
    They aren't ruthless. They don't turn back migrants with flotillas of gunboats. The Aussies made it clear that no one would get through. So the illegal infiltrators immediately stopped coming (and stopped drowning).

    In fact, the Aussies have saved countless lives by the simple expedient of growing a pair and a growing a backbone.

    Actually they do. The navy intercepts the boats and either tows them back to Indonesia or transfers the people to refugee camps on tiny Pacific islands where they then become the U.N.’s problem.

    It is indeed a very harsh policy, and many of the boat people really are refugees. Refugees whose lives have been ruined by the turmoil in the Middle East, which Australia, as a constant supporter of America’s meddling, is arguably partly responsible for.

    But the bottom line is the policy works. And before it was introduced many hundreds of people drowned trying to make the crossing.

    (The debate seemed to go on forever here in Australia about this issue. It was only ACTION which proved that the flow of people could be stopped. Only then did the moral supremacists on the Left finally shut up).

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    It is indeed a very harsh policy, and many of the boat people really are refugees. Refugees whose lives have been ruined by the turmoil in the Middle East, which Australia, as a constant supporter of America’s meddling, is arguably partly responsible for.
     
    It's not a harsh policy at all. You want to see harsh policy elect somebody like me: I promise to sink - not tow - their boats. Then they will respect us.

    We owe them nothing, whether they're real refugees or not.

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  • @iSteveFan
    What exactly do the refugees want? I can understand their immediate goal is to get out of the war zone. Well once they hit Turkey, they accomplished that. But apparently they don't like Turkey. So they move on to Greece. As in Turkey they are safely out of the war zone, but like Turkey they don't wish to stay. So they move on and on. And along the way the Hungarians and Czechs try to stop them. They clash with the Hungarians and Czechs and say they just want to get to Germany.

    OK, so what do they want in Germany? Are they going to Germany because it is culturally similar and they feel they will better fit in? Are they going to Germany because they feel there are plenty of jobs waiting for them that they are qualified to fill? Or are they going to Germany because they are expecting generous handouts and living accommodations?

    Now let's imagine the Germans don't give them the generous benefits and living accommodations. Will the refugees be OK with that since all they ever wanted to do was get to Germany?

    Now we all know the Germany government will take care of these people. They have no Donald Trump for the time being. But it is depressing to see these refugees clearly descending upon Germany to take advantage of the social safety net built by the German people to care for their own. And it is more depressing that the German government will give them what they want at the expense of their own people.

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  • What exactly do the refugees want? I can understand their immediate goal is to get out of the war zone. Well once they hit Turkey, they accomplished that. But apparently they don’t like Turkey. So they move on to Greece. As in Turkey they are safely out of the war zone, but like Turkey they don’t wish to stay. So they move on and on. And along the way the Hungarians and Czechs try to stop them. They clash with the Hungarians and Czechs and say they just want to get to Germany.

    OK, so what do they want in Germany? Are they going to Germany because it is culturally similar and they feel they will better fit in? Are they going to Germany because they feel there are plenty of jobs waiting for them that they are qualified to fill? Or are they going to Germany because they are expecting generous handouts and living accommodations?

    Now let’s imagine the Germans don’t give them the generous benefits and living accommodations. Will the refugees be OK with that since all they ever wanted to do was get to Germany?

    Now we all know the Germany government will take care of these people. They have no Donald Trump for the time being. But it is depressing to see these refugees clearly descending upon Germany to take advantage of the social safety net built by the German people to care for their own. And it is more depressing that the German government will give them what they want at the expense of their own people.

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    Because of the EU, if Germany is not agreeable to them, then they will simply move off to pastures new in the EU.
    This happened before. Most of Britain's Somalis were originally taken in by the Netherlands. The Dutch realised that they were a massive tax drain, and cut their entitlements. So they all moved to the UK, and all got council houses.
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  • It is amazing the NYT failed to notice Israel has an immigration policy similar to Australia’s. Really just an amazing omission that will surely surprise every reader..

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  • The whole point of Camp of the Saints is White Genocide. That is the goal, and is supported by Derbyshire’s “GoodWhites” in their battle with the “BadWhites” (they assume wrongly that only BadWhites will be genocided, not GoodWhites also). Non-Whites are up for it, and a lot of Western women longing for a real life vampire/billionaire will take a violent jihadi just so long as kills people. So they are up for it.

    However, people in Hollywood are uneasy. Thus reassuring “end of the world” TV shows in particular showing the survival of PC and Diversity Dogma even when the world ends: Battlestar Galactica the bad remake not the Lorne Greene original has female fighter pilots with the human race nearly wiped out, Walking Dead has pc dogma as humanity is over, etc. Most people in Hollywood suspect their culture, ability to make money and make movies/tv shows, is soon over in the diversity invasion, with the entire US turning into Northern Mexico with Telemundo style soap operas (goodbye art movies) so tell themselves fairy stories.

    I suspect there will be a lot of resistance to Camp of the Saints, not the least of which most of the “refugees” are young men experienced in violence and will of course compete with European young men over European women. Men will fight over women at the drop of a hat, that’s pretty obvious. Putin has his own lesser version of this from Central Asia, and is terrified not of “Democracy Advocates” funded by Soros but by motorcycle gangs, ex-veterans who think he’s soft and wimpy, that sort of thing.

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  • @4teepee
    How many of the Arab migrants has Israel and Mexico offered to take in?

    Israel has excelled at expelling Arab citizens.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.671841

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  • @SPMoore8
    He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

    If we are going to accept the premise that the better off countries of the world (US, EU, Australia) have a moral duty to accept migrants from the less well off countries of the world, then it should follow that the better off countries of the world should be able to dictate the conditions in the less well off countries, beginning with birth control.

    The alternative is an absurd situation in which we allow laissez-faire life choices to everyone, until they fail, after which they get to move into our house and sleep on the couch.

    Naturally a situation like that is bound to awaken all kinds of instinctive rage and chaos, which will lead to even more stratification, violence, militarization of police forces, and brutality. So it follow that the most humane solution is to nip it in the bud, and that is why Australia's policies are correct.

    We are getting to the point where neo-colonialism will be the only hope for the West. The Camp of Saints model is cute, because it assumes passivity all the way down. But even Obama isn't going to accept 1,000 refugees into a White House that could probably house twice that number, if you stack the bunks high enough.

    “If we are going to accept the premise that the better off countries of the world (US, EU, Australia) have a moral duty to accept migrants from the less well off countries of the world, then it should follow that the better off countries….”

    …should resettle those migrants in better off parts of their country: Beverly Hills, Martha’s Vineyard, Silicon Valley, Upstate New York, Manhattan, Vermont, etc.

    While we are at it, we could also reform the prison system by offering non-violent offenders in red states reduced sentences in exchange for moving to low-cost (or free) section 8 housing that we could build in those areas.

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    ……should resettle those migrants in better off parts of their country: Beverly Hills, Martha’s Vineyard, Silicon Valley, Upstate New York, Manhattan, Vermont, etc.

     

    Get around more. You've confused fifty-four rural and Rust Belt counties with Scarsdale and Chappaqua.

    Go to Utica sometime if you don't think appleknockers are getting enough immigrants. (OK, as Bosnians they're nominally white.) Or look up Jiverly Wong of Binghamton. Or Muzzammil Hassan of Orchard Park.
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  • Ugh.

    It makes me want to move to the Faroe Islands.

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    Well the Icelanders want to take in Syrians.
    So I suppose the Faroese are next.
    A case of 'whale meat again' , no doubt.
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  • @Bill B.
    The Telegraph has noticeably declined towards progressive posturing and will soon not be worth glancing at.

    Nevertheless this comment piece points out that the migrants are coming not because they are desperate but because they are better off than they have ever been.

    By Fraser Nelson7:26PM BST 03 Sep 2015
    When the crew of HMS Bulwark first fished immigrants out of the Mediterranean, they were expecting to find the world’s hungry, wretched and destitute. Instead, they found them relatively healthy, well-dressed and carrying mobile phones and credit cards, which they intended to use upon arrival in Italy.

    The military learnt then what politicians are only slowly beginning to work out – that this is not simply a refugee crisis. The world’s poor are on the move because they’re not quite so poor as they used to be, and can afford to travel. A great migration has begun, and it could be with us for decades.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11842760/Prepare-yourselves-The-Great-Migration-will-be-with-us-for-decades.html

    It’s the Facebook & Instagram effect. You’re in some small town in Africa or Middle East and you see on Facebook your childhood friend, that wasn’t particularly bright, is living it up in Paris, Berlin or London.

    So you beg your family for money and away you go. Unless Western European leaders develop a backbone their way of life won’t last the century.

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  • He who pays the piper, calls the tune.

    If we are going to accept the premise that the better off countries of the world (US, EU, Australia) have a moral duty to accept migrants from the less well off countries of the world, then it should follow that the better off countries of the world should be able to dictate the conditions in the less well off countries, beginning with birth control.

    The alternative is an absurd situation in which we allow laissez-faire life choices to everyone, until they fail, after which they get to move into our house and sleep on the couch.

    Naturally a situation like that is bound to awaken all kinds of instinctive rage and chaos, which will lead to even more stratification, violence, militarization of police forces, and brutality. So it follow that the most humane solution is to nip it in the bud, and that is why Australia’s policies are correct.

    We are getting to the point where neo-colonialism will be the only hope for the West. The Camp of Saints model is cute, because it assumes passivity all the way down. But even Obama isn’t going to accept 1,000 refugees into a White House that could probably house twice that number, if you stack the bunks high enough.

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    "If we are going to accept the premise that the better off countries of the world (US, EU, Australia) have a moral duty to accept migrants from the less well off countries of the world, then it should follow that the better off countries...."

    ...should resettle those migrants in better off parts of their country: Beverly Hills, Martha's Vineyard, Silicon Valley, Upstate New York, Manhattan, Vermont, etc.

    While we are at it, we could also reform the prison system by offering non-violent offenders in red states reduced sentences in exchange for moving to low-cost (or free) section 8 housing that we could build in those areas.
    , @tbraton
    "If we are going to accept the premise that the better off countries of the world (US, EU, Australia) have a moral duty to accept migrants from the less well off countries of the world, then it should follow that the better off countries of the world should be able to dictate the conditions in the less well off countries, beginning with birth control."

    I totally agree, but I hope you realize the problem with advocating birth control. The fundamentalist Christians have apoplexy whenever anyone speaks about birth control, yet they are the first to complain about the onslaught of migrants changing the face of America. I have posted how the population of Syria was only 2.4 million in 1937 and 26 million today (or before the civil war started in 2011). Here is a comment I posted on a TAC blog two years ago:

    "tbraton says:
    May 30, 2013 at 10:53 am
    I don’t want to sound cold-hearted, but let’s put the 70,000, soon to be 100,000, dead in Syria in context. Syria’s population was only 2.4 million in 1937, only 14.2 million in 1995 (less than 20 years ago) and an estimated 26 million today. The U.S. population in 1900 was 76 million. Had U.S. population increased more than ten-fold, as Syria’s population has grown since 1937, we would now have more than 760 million people living in the U.S. There is no great shortage of Syrians in the world. The death toll in Syria pales in comparison to the civil wars being fought in the Congo. . . ."

    The connection between overpopulation in Syria and other places around the globe (Africa in particular) may be crystal clear to you and me, but not everyone can see the clear connection. Logic is a not a strong suit in those circles. I have to laugh when I recall the Tea Partiers calling for the Federal Government "to keep its hands off my Social Security and Medicare."
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  • @Maj. Kong
    Does Murdoch share the NYT's view on this?

    Sort of, but not quite. Rupert comes back here every now and then to lecture us on how the USA is failing to re-elect a new people and as such will have no future, whereas us Awssssiessss have this once in a life time opportunity to replace ourselves with High IQ Asians (an HBDers wetdream come true).

    Rupert Murdoch says Australia must embrace immigrants to boost economy

    Rupert Murdoch says Australia needs to embrace high immigration to add dynamism to the economy, enhance its human capital and create strong bonds with the rest of the world.

    The positive intervention on immigration was a significant theme of a lecture the media mogul delivered at the Lowy Institute in Sydney on Thursday evening.

    “We think of the United States as an immigrant nation, and rightly so,” Murdoch told his audience in Sydney.

    “But the percentage of foreign-born in the United States, a country currently racked by a self-defeating debate over immigration policy, is just about 12%. Incredibly, Australia is double that,” he said.

    “That means Australia is on the way to becoming what may be the world’s most diverse nation. This is an incredible competitive advantage.

    There’s obviously a fair amount of self-interest in his urgings, not just with his business ventures but, I suppose, maybe in case he needs to update his Asian wife to a newer model.

    He’s been back again just recently and has declared Rupert Murdoch calls for snap election in ‘almost ungovernable’ Australia

    He thinks Abbott is the best PM for the job but doesn’t explain how having a snap election would get Abbott re-elected since all polls indicate the senate would be further “ungovernable”, Abbott would easily be defeated by Labor, and thus the boats policy the NY Times rails against would suddenly come to an end and the influx of refugees begin again.

    Of course, Rupert doesn’t live here so it’s not his concern with those minor technical details.

    On a side issue, probably a bit arcane for US folks to understand, but worthwhile to relay in order to show what Rupert is really on about, Murdoch at one stage started a Rugby League war. He started his own Super League in an attempt to take Rugby League viewers to his Fox Sports subscription.

    There were two Rugby League competitions, Super League and the traditional League competition. Long story short, the bust up wasn’t good for the game but good for Fox subscriptions. Everyone made peace and Fox Sports got a great deal on the newly merged again competition (Fox actually owned some of the new clubs). The NRL was born (National Rugby League).

    Anyway, recently the NRL got a bit uppity and started to make new contracts for television rights with other market players, did a deal that excluded Fox but was very good for promoting the game, as Fox had so many games locked from the public up on its pay channels.

    Rupert, as magnanimous as ever, stated that:

    “We’ve always believed this (AFL) is the premium code in Australia – it’s the national game,” Murdoch told reporters on Tuesday.

    “We believe in the strength of the game and we will do everything we can to make it stronger.”

    AFL, Australian Football League, is a completely different code to Rugby League, and supported mostly by non-NSW and QLD states. Effectively, Rupert has told the NRL to go fuck themselves, and that from now on he’s the biggest AFL man in town and if you want to deal with him deal with that.

    The upshot is, whatever Murdoch is for is in your interests, even your national interests, and if you disagree he will destroy you.

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    More fool Murdoch. I used to love AFL but the modern incarnation is unwatchable, congested rubbish. If Rupert thinks there's a huge pay-TV audience desperate for AFL I think he's very mistaken. AFL has an aging and declining supporter base. The future probably belongs to soccer.

    I actually prefer NRL these days.
    , @sb
    It is worth remembering that Rupert Murdoch was born and raised in Melbourne -and schooled at Geelong Grammar ( which I note in passing is currently the subject of past (?) child sex scandals ) so the football he would know is Australian Rules ( my guess is that when he was there the playing of Australian Rules football was compulsory )

    I'd say the data supports Australian Rules football being ( the closest Australia has to ) the national game .
    Both games have largely separate spheres of influence but Australian Rules is of minority interest in Rugby League dominant areas whereas Rugby League is mainly non existent in dominant Australian Rules areas . ( for instance isn't the Sydney Swans AFL team the biggest crowd puller team in Sydney although Sydney as a whole is Rugby League territory ? )
    I think Murdoch knows that Rugby League can't grow very much from a smaller base whereas AFL can .Remember fewer people identify as working class every year
    Murdoch lost a lot of money learning this .

    Murdoch has always been an immigration booster - Big is Best right ?
    After all that is how it works in business right ? And no one has ever accused him of being particularly pro WASP ( being Scottish and all ) .
    Although methinks there has there been a noticeable decrease in his Sinophilia in the past few years .
    Wonder what caused that .
    Some of his comments have also made me curious whether ,if in his dotage , he is wondering whether he would have been happier had he stayed in Australia rather than tried to conquer the world . Not that he would ever admit that.

    I had a look at the NYT editorial -pretty predictable -but was more interested in the attached comments .
    I would expect most NYT commentators are overwhelmingly pro same sex marriage , pro climate change , have a lot of self induced white guilt etc etc but my reading was that a clear majority supported Australia's actions . I was pleasantly surprised . ( I also presume that there is editing ? -isn't there always in journals of the left ? )
    , @Bill B.
    The only criticism I can remember being vouchsafed in William Shawcross's somewhat adulatory biography of Murdoch is that he lacked imagination.

    If memory serves the example given was Rupe's handling of the London Times which went from being the newspaper of record to being a respectable but defiantly middle-brow newspaper at one point.

    Shawcross said that he appeared not be grasp the difference between the merely workmanlike and real quality.

    Murdoch thrives on the numbers, the deal, the next move, nuance and depth of feeling are not his thing. Murdoch probably wouldn't understand criticism of switching codes...

    (In fairness I should say that The Times almost always makes a loss and will be sold in the blink of an eye after he dies.)
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  • @Bill B.
    The Telegraph has noticeably declined towards progressive posturing and will soon not be worth glancing at.

    Nevertheless this comment piece points out that the migrants are coming not because they are desperate but because they are better off than they have ever been.

    By Fraser Nelson7:26PM BST 03 Sep 2015
    When the crew of HMS Bulwark first fished immigrants out of the Mediterranean, they were expecting to find the world’s hungry, wretched and destitute. Instead, they found them relatively healthy, well-dressed and carrying mobile phones and credit cards, which they intended to use upon arrival in Italy.

    The military learnt then what politicians are only slowly beginning to work out – that this is not simply a refugee crisis. The world’s poor are on the move because they’re not quite so poor as they used to be, and can afford to travel. A great migration has begun, and it could be with us for decades.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11842760/Prepare-yourselves-The-Great-Migration-will-be-with-us-for-decades.html

    The iPhone 6 is a helluva smartphone. If you are stuck with some Nokia piece of junk and all your cousins who went to went to Europe are posting pictures of themselves with their iPhone 6s, well, you might get the itch to travel too.

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    It's blasphemy. I still have Nokia 3310 in the drawer. It is the greatest mobile ever produced and after ten or more years it's still working. You could also use it as a hammer.
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  • For a pretty realistic look at what’s behind the sudden flood, and why the water seems to uphill,
    There’s this excellent piece.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/09/anne-williamson/mass-migration-madness/

    “The truth is that the longer route leaves EU and Nato member Bulgaria and key U.S. ally Albania relatively undisturbed while delivering a mighty blow to those nations (and, in the case of Macedonia and Serbia, largely Orthodox populations) which have either declined to participate in or have criticized sanctions (Catholic Hungary) against Russia, and all of which hope to participate in Russia’s Balkan Stream gas pipeline project.”

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  • How many of the Arab migrants has Israel and Mexico offered to take in?

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    Israel has excelled at expelling Arab citizens.

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.671841
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  • The Telegraph has noticeably declined towards progressive posturing and will soon not be worth glancing at.

    Nevertheless this comment piece points out that the migrants are coming not because they are desperate but because they are better off than they have ever been.

    By Fraser Nelson7:26PM BST 03 Sep 2015
    When the crew of HMS Bulwark first fished immigrants out of the Mediterranean, they were expecting to find the world’s hungry, wretched and destitute. Instead, they found them relatively healthy, well-dressed and carrying mobile phones and credit cards, which they intended to use upon arrival in Italy.

    The military learnt then what politicians are only slowly beginning to work out – that this is not simply a refugee crisis. The world’s poor are on the move because they’re not quite so poor as they used to be, and can afford to travel. A great migration has begun, and it could be with us for decades.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/11842760/Prepare-yourselves-The-Great-Migration-will-be-with-us-for-decades.html

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    The iPhone 6 is a helluva smartphone. If you are stuck with some Nokia piece of junk and all your cousins who went to went to Europe are posting pictures of themselves with their iPhone 6s, well, you might get the itch to travel too.
    , @Ed
    It's the Facebook & Instagram effect. You're in some small town in Africa or Middle East and you see on Facebook your childhood friend, that wasn't particularly bright, is living it up in Paris, Berlin or London.

    So you beg your family for money and away you go. Unless Western European leaders develop a backbone their way of life won't last the century.
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  • Wow, what a beautiful lap pool. San Francisco should have had something like that at Aquatic Park, but of course we can’t because – well, we need the money for obese black bus drivers who turn up for work once in a while.

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  • “His policies have been inhumane, of dubious legality and strikingly at odds with the country’s tradition of welcoming people fleeing persecution and war”

    I guess when something is sensible, effective and popular the worst that someone can come up with to say about it is that it’s not nice.

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    And an Aussie wouldn't even bat an eye at what they said. From what I hear, the Australian political climate is characterized by saying things that are as mean as possible while maintaining a thin veneer of decorum: http://hilarity.chickennation.com/022_bastardry.png
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  • @Maj. Kong
    Does Murdoch share the NYT's view on this?

    Why would he? The NYT is nothing to do with Rupert Murdoch.

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    "Why would he? The NYT is nothing to do with Rupert Murdoch."

    The point is that media mogul-types very rarely disagree on anything of substance, so it would be surprising if Murdoch did not agree with the NYT on this issue (the NYT may be SJW, and FAUX "news" may be neocon, but on immigration, and most other issues that actually matter, there's seldom much difference between those two camps).

    But since Murdoch is at least ostensibly Australian, maybe he's unwilling to betray his country in this case? He's certainly pro-immigration with respect to the USA and Western Europe.
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  • Want to cut down on African crime, poverty, and revolution? Send your people to Europe!
    Want to cut down on illegals from other Central American countries from overrunning dear Mexico? Just push them along the Aztec trail with your own human detritus to the United States – once the land of the dirty greeenkk-goes!

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    They aren’t ruthless. They don’t turn back migrants with flotillas of gunboats. The Aussies made it clear that no one would get through. So the illegal infiltrators immediately stopped coming (and stopped drowning).

    In fact, the Aussies have saved countless lives by the simple expedient of growing a pair and a growing a backbone.

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    Actually they do. The navy intercepts the boats and either tows them back to Indonesia or transfers the people to refugee camps on tiny Pacific islands where they then become the U.N.'s problem.

    It is indeed a very harsh policy, and many of the boat people really are refugees. Refugees whose lives have been ruined by the turmoil in the Middle East, which Australia, as a constant supporter of America's meddling, is arguably partly responsible for.

    But the bottom line is the policy works. And before it was introduced many hundreds of people drowned trying to make the crossing.

    (The debate seemed to go on forever here in Australia about this issue. It was only ACTION which proved that the flow of people could be stopped. Only then did the moral supremacists on the Left finally shut up).

    , @rustbeltreader
    Human trafficers are making millions illegally and now if a country takes a stand against human trafficing they are accused of being unfriendly. It's 1984. Work is slavery, slavery is freedom, hate is love and debt is wealth. Wait until the shootings, stabbings and robberies start. Europe is planning on building a million new houses a year. Better plan more jails. Even the desperate don't want to be in Greece.
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  • Fifteen minutes ago, I was out working in my parents’ Bay Area yard when a middle-aged Hispanic neighbor (whom I don’t know) walked up and asked me about parking restrictions having to do with an upcoming street maintenance project. I mentioned that I saw a couple of vehicles towed earlier today. He immediately blamed someone living on another street “who doesn’t like Hispanics.”

    It was so out-of-the-blue that I started to wonder if had something to do with Trump.

    Street parking was one of those Nice Things that disappeared when the local apartment buildings filled up with Hispanic immigrants in the early 90s. (The houses were quick to follow.) Today local homeowners have to buy permits to park in front of their own houses, but the city never enforces the permits, so it’s just an extra tax and there’s still nowhere to park.

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  • Far from being “strikingly at odds” with Australia’s traditional policy towards immigration, Prime Minister Abbott’s approach is actually strikingly consonant with Australian tradition: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy

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    • Replies: @BubbaJoe
    Relevant- http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/history-wars/2011/01/the-white-australia-policy/

    It's interesting that so much anti-immigration opposition past and present boils down to economics/class. You had Kearney in California, and various Cornish, Irish, Finnish, Swedish, and English miners out west opposed to Chinese labor specifically because of wage disparities. Yet the slave power has been masterful at re-branding their money lust as anti-racism. There was a balance between labor and capital that kept things in check. If people want things back in check, they should consider being a tad more supportive of labor. This libertarianism nonsense is a total disaster.

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  • Far from being “strikingly at odds” with Australia’s traditional policy towards immigration, Prime Minister Abbott’s approach is actually strikingly consonant with Australian tradition: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy

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  • Does Murdoch share the NYT’s view on this?

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    • Replies: @DavidB
    Why would he? The NYT is nothing to do with Rupert Murdoch.
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    Sort of, but not quite. Rupert comes back here every now and then to lecture us on how the USA is failing to re-elect a new people and as such will have no future, whereas us Awssssiessss have this once in a life time opportunity to replace ourselves with High IQ Asians (an HBDers wetdream come true).

    Rupert Murdoch says Australia must embrace immigrants to boost economy

    Rupert Murdoch says Australia needs to embrace high immigration to add dynamism to the economy, enhance its human capital and create strong bonds with the rest of the world.

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    The positive intervention on immigration was a significant theme of a lecture the media mogul delivered at the Lowy Institute in Sydney on Thursday evening.

    "We think of the United States as an immigrant nation, and rightly so," Murdoch told his audience in Sydney.

    "But the percentage of foreign-born in the United States, a country currently racked by a self-defeating debate over immigration policy, is just about 12%. Incredibly, Australia is double that," he said.

    "That means Australia is on the way to becoming what may be the world's most diverse nation. This is an incredible competitive advantage.

    There's obviously a fair amount of self-interest in his urgings, not just with his business ventures but, I suppose, maybe in case he needs to update his Asian wife to a newer model.

    He's been back again just recently and has declared Rupert Murdoch calls for snap election in 'almost ungovernable' Australia

    He thinks Abbott is the best PM for the job but doesn't explain how having a snap election would get Abbott re-elected since all polls indicate the senate would be further "ungovernable", Abbott would easily be defeated by Labor, and thus the boats policy the NY Times rails against would suddenly come to an end and the influx of refugees begin again.

    Of course, Rupert doesn't live here so it's not his concern with those minor technical details.

    On a side issue, probably a bit arcane for US folks to understand, but worthwhile to relay in order to show what Rupert is really on about, Murdoch at one stage started a Rugby League war. He started his own Super League in an attempt to take Rugby League viewers to his Fox Sports subscription.

    There were two Rugby League competitions, Super League and the traditional League competition. Long story short, the bust up wasn't good for the game but good for Fox subscriptions. Everyone made peace and Fox Sports got a great deal on the newly merged again competition (Fox actually owned some of the new clubs). The NRL was born (National Rugby League).

    Anyway, recently the NRL got a bit uppity and started to make new contracts for television rights with other market players, did a deal that excluded Fox but was very good for promoting the game, as Fox had so many games locked from the public up on its pay channels.

    Rupert, as magnanimous as ever, stated that:

    “We’ve always believed this (AFL) is the premium code in Australia – it’s the national game,” Murdoch told reporters on Tuesday.

    “We believe in the strength of the game and we will do everything we can to make it stronger.”

    AFL, Australian Football League, is a completely different code to Rugby League, and supported mostly by non-NSW and QLD states. Effectively, Rupert has told the NRL to go fuck themselves, and that from now on he's the biggest AFL man in town and if you want to deal with him deal with that.

    The upshot is, whatever Murdoch is for is in your interests, even your national interests, and if you disagree he will destroy you.

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