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    Last week, I ventured some remarks about the Justice Department case against Harvard University for discriminating against Asian Americans. This brought in a surprising number of emails. I’ll take just two main points: First main point raised by readers: Import an overclass? We already did that! Listeners who made this point were referring of course...
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    Where do you come from? You show that tone-deafness of strangers in a strange land. You can know the textbook language and be totally unable to understand or speak in a normal way.
     
    Exactly! This ridiculous "Thomm" fellow is very obviously a foreigner, probably a Hindu immigrant, and pretending to be a "native-born white American"...but not doing a very good job of it!

    He showed up a few months ago, and endlessly rants and raves against "evil White Nationalists" in a rather crude and ignorant manner. Since so many of his comments are merely content-free rants, at some point, they'll no longer be published, and then maybe he'll go away and pretend to be a white American on some other website...

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  • There hasn’t been a whole lot of news about the Department of Justice investigation of Harvard University since I last mentioned the issue back in August. To refresh your memory: the DOJ was responding to a complaint from a coalition of Asian-American groups that their people, Asian-Americans, are discriminated against by Harvard admissions officers. Back...
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  • Last week, I ventured some remarks about the Justice Department case against Harvard University for discriminating against Asian Americans. This brought in a surprising number of emails. I’ll take just two main points: First main point raised by readers: Import an overclass? We already did that! Listeners who made this point were referring of course...
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    The Danes of 1600 would have had more IQ than the Turk, but the Turks grew more grain, had more access to resources/wealth in the pre industrial age. But after the industrial revolution, the Danes would have an advantage over the Turks as they posses genetic qualities which are more suitable for an industrial/technological society.
     
    The Germanics who invaded the Roman Empire didn't demonstrate stronger cognitive abilities than inhabitants of warm weather Rome. In both China and India, the invaders have come from the north, but it's the southern regions that demonstrate the most economic dynamism today. In Europe, the cold-weather Eastern European nations don't demonstrate more economic or technological progress than the warm-weather nations of Western Europe.

    It's incorrect to assert that cold-weather people consistently achieve greater prosperity than the indigenous inhabitants of warm-weather regions.

    You could have very high IQ a thousand years ago, but if you live in Siberia, you will still be poorer than a medium IQ population living on the banks of the Nile. That medium IQ population had the ability to grow more grain and hence had a higher Malthusian limit and thus grow it’s population more than the Siberian population. With such a huge labour force, grain and wealth available at their disposal, the Nile population’s elites would have the liberty to channel excess populations, wealth and grain to artistic and philosophical pursuits. While the Siberian population has a higher IQ but most of it’s population would be busy in growing/ hunting food to think much about philosophy and arts. Their art and philosophy would remain more rudimentary. Since they would have a high IQ, it is likely they would innovate techniques to catch food faster/ grow more food in the harsh conditions they live in. But they would never be able to grow the volumes of grain that the Nile population would.
     
    In today's Russian, the indigenous peoples of Siberia have twice the national poverty rate and one-half the national income. Your theory is refuted by the existence of this population. Your theory is also refuted by the low achivement of the cold-weather northern indigenous peoples of America and Canada.

    It's incorrect to assert that there's a consistent pattern of cold-weather peoples succeeding in technologically-oriented market economies.

    It’s incorrect to assert that cold-weather people consistently achieve greater prosperity than the indigenous inhabitants of warm-weather regions.

    It is correct to assert that in the post Industrial revolution world cold climate populations by which I mean Northern Euro and North East Asias societies have a greater chance to succeed. In my opinion, most middle region countries from the Middle East to South Asia to South East Asia will reach a glass ceiling in development, however there are many other factors at work but the cold climate theory is one major factor.

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    The Danes of 1600 would have had more IQ than the Turk, but the Turks grew more grain, had more access to resources/wealth in the pre industrial age. But after the industrial revolution, the Danes would have an advantage over the Turks as they posses genetic qualities which are more suitable for an industrial/technological society.
     
    The Germanics who invaded the Roman Empire didn't demonstrate stronger cognitive abilities than inhabitants of warm weather Rome. In both China and India, the invaders have come from the north, but it's the southern regions that demonstrate the most economic dynamism today. In Europe, the cold-weather Eastern European nations don't demonstrate more economic or technological progress than the warm-weather nations of Western Europe.

    It's incorrect to assert that cold-weather people consistently achieve greater prosperity than the indigenous inhabitants of warm-weather regions.

    You could have very high IQ a thousand years ago, but if you live in Siberia, you will still be poorer than a medium IQ population living on the banks of the Nile. That medium IQ population had the ability to grow more grain and hence had a higher Malthusian limit and thus grow it’s population more than the Siberian population. With such a huge labour force, grain and wealth available at their disposal, the Nile population’s elites would have the liberty to channel excess populations, wealth and grain to artistic and philosophical pursuits. While the Siberian population has a higher IQ but most of it’s population would be busy in growing/ hunting food to think much about philosophy and arts. Their art and philosophy would remain more rudimentary. Since they would have a high IQ, it is likely they would innovate techniques to catch food faster/ grow more food in the harsh conditions they live in. But they would never be able to grow the volumes of grain that the Nile population would.
     
    In today's Russian, the indigenous peoples of Siberia have twice the national poverty rate and one-half the national income. Your theory is refuted by the existence of this population. Your theory is also refuted by the low achivement of the cold-weather northern indigenous peoples of America and Canada.

    It's incorrect to assert that there's a consistent pattern of cold-weather peoples succeeding in technologically-oriented market economies.

    In today’s Russian, the indigenous peoples of Siberia have twice the national poverty rate and one-half the national income. Your theory is refuted by the existence of this population.

    You misunderstood. I took Siberia as an example. And I said high IQ population, and Siberians are a medium IQ population. What I meant to say is that if you took the ancient Egyptians whoever they were and had put them in Siberia with no communications or link with their home populations, they would have been unable to build an Egypt like civilization in Siberia because of low productivity of the land. Similarly any population with the exception of perhaps Bantus/Papuans placed in the Ganges would have eventually created a great civilization. The land factor was more important than the people factor before the industrial revolution. Indeed if you would have placed Northern Europeans or North East Asian population on the banks of the Ganges (with no other populations), with time they would have had built an even greater civilization than what was there in innovation and overall GDP.

    Your theory is also refuted by the low achivement of the cold-weather northern indigenous peoples of America and Canada.

    Nope it is not. It stands for populations south of the Inuit/ Siberians. Just because you have some exceptions does not mean the theory is completely false. It stands true for Europeans, Arabs, Indians , South East Asians, Japanese etc…
    Just because one was successful in the pre industrial age is no guarantee that they will be in the post industrial revolution age. You were great at running, it is swimming competitions from now on.

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  • @JohnnyWalker123

    The Danes of 1600 would have had more IQ than the Turk, but the Turks grew more grain, had more access to resources/wealth in the pre industrial age. But after the industrial revolution, the Danes would have an advantage over the Turks as they posses genetic qualities which are more suitable for an industrial/technological society.
     
    The Germanics who invaded the Roman Empire didn't demonstrate stronger cognitive abilities than inhabitants of warm weather Rome. In both China and India, the invaders have come from the north, but it's the southern regions that demonstrate the most economic dynamism today. In Europe, the cold-weather Eastern European nations don't demonstrate more economic or technological progress than the warm-weather nations of Western Europe.

    It's incorrect to assert that cold-weather people consistently achieve greater prosperity than the indigenous inhabitants of warm-weather regions.

    You could have very high IQ a thousand years ago, but if you live in Siberia, you will still be poorer than a medium IQ population living on the banks of the Nile. That medium IQ population had the ability to grow more grain and hence had a higher Malthusian limit and thus grow it’s population more than the Siberian population. With such a huge labour force, grain and wealth available at their disposal, the Nile population’s elites would have the liberty to channel excess populations, wealth and grain to artistic and philosophical pursuits. While the Siberian population has a higher IQ but most of it’s population would be busy in growing/ hunting food to think much about philosophy and arts. Their art and philosophy would remain more rudimentary. Since they would have a high IQ, it is likely they would innovate techniques to catch food faster/ grow more food in the harsh conditions they live in. But they would never be able to grow the volumes of grain that the Nile population would.
     
    In today's Russian, the indigenous peoples of Siberia have twice the national poverty rate and one-half the national income. Your theory is refuted by the existence of this population. Your theory is also refuted by the low achivement of the cold-weather northern indigenous peoples of America and Canada.

    It's incorrect to assert that there's a consistent pattern of cold-weather peoples succeeding in technologically-oriented market economies.

    The Germanics who invaded the Roman Empire didn’t demonstrate stronger cognitive abilities than inhabitants of warm weather Rome. In both China and India, the invaders have come from the north, but it’s the southern regions that demonstrate the most economic dynamism today. In Europe, the cold-weather Eastern European nations don’t demonstrate more economic or technological progress than the warm-weather nations of Western Europe.

    Please read my post 558. The Romans themselves had come from the North. Northerners living in harsher climates have a high IQ but cannot express them in things like philosophy etc… because they need their higher IQ to satisfy the lower requirements of man but they tend to use more advanced tools. It is when they come and settle in the more agriculturally productive lands in warmer climates do they get the time and resources to eventually divert their IQs towards so called higher pursuits.
    Most Civilizations did not just start in warm places in the way you understand it but in a particular latitude range, near rivers (Indus, Nile, Euphrates ) or other productive land areas like Turkey. Why only these latitudes? Because they are the most accessible productive land south of the cold north. Civilization in India DID NOT start in the South but along the Indus Valley which is pretty North. Why did civilization center around fertile lands like rivers? Why do we name many civilisations on rivers like the Indus valley civilization? More food- more wealth- more population-more labour- more labour and resources to support an intellectual class. it is hard to do this in a place like Scandinavia even if the population has a high IQ.
    The Germanians had just come south. With time they contributed a lot intellectually during the Middle Ages and places like Southern Italy remained laggards.

    In both China and India, the invaders have come from the north, but it’s the southern regions that demonstrate the most economic dynamism today.

    As far as India is concerned you have a very wrong picture. Villages in Southern India are very backward and there is a lot of economic dynamism in Northern Indian places like Gurgaon and Chandigarh. The difference is between the North and South is very small.

    These are houses in South Indian villages, nothing much to write about

    https://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/India/South/Tamil_Nadu/Madurai/photo1495806.htm

    In China, this map says it all

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita#/media/File:China-_Nominal_GDP_per_capita_(USD).svg

    It is more a matter of Coastal versus interior rather than North versus South. And why the coast? Access to the sea.

    As far as Eastern Europe, Akarlin has written many articles where he has shown that the Slavic IQ roof is in between the Germanic nations above them and Meds below them. Western Southern Europe did not go through Communism in the same way as Eastern European countries.

    As far as the Inuit, they truly are an exception. So are Native Americans. Some other factors must have played a part why they are outliners to the theory.
    It is discussed here.

    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.in/2010/11/explaining-cold-climate-theory-for.html

    Comparisons made before the Industrial revolution is pointless as those populations even with medium IQs living near productive land would have greater prosperity and more resources for intellectual pursuits. The real test is after the Industrial revolution. For peoples south of the Inuit, native Siberians in Eurasia and Africa, the cold climate theory in general holds true.

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    It is very hard to come up with any estimates in that period as far as over all GDP is concerned. Explain please how would one calculate the GDP of Africa or South America in 500 AD.

     

    Based off historical records on population, trade, construction, agricultural production, nutritional consumption, and living conditions.

    How do we write history books on empires that passed thousands of years ago?

    History didn't just begin after the Industrial Revolution.

    You got it wrong. You can have the most productive people in the world but if they live in the middle of the desert, it is not much use. You could have a low productive people on fertile land and get a higher harvest, thus higher malthusian limit, more wealth.
    It is only in the industrial revolution that you have a level playing field.
     
    If you look at India's intellectual and cultural output, they really were no slouches. For example, they invented Arabic-Hindu numerals, various monuments (Taj Mahal, temples, etc), and several major world religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism). You can make the case that Indian civilization was one of the world's leading until the 1800s.


    Hmmm could this have to do anything with access the sea?
    Southern China is one of those exception cases.

     

    Southern China was also extremely strong in producing successful exam takers for the Imperial bureaucracy. Much stronger, per capita, than Northern China. What does this have to do with the sea?

    The Germanic Ostrogoths rebuilt civilization in the Italian peninsula, something even Belisaruis of the Byzantine army observed.

     

    The Germanic invasion ushered in the Dark Ages, which was a 1000-year period of relative cultural stagnation for Europe. It wasn't until the Renaissance when Europe finally rebounded.

    The Roman empire was collapsing irrespective of the Germanic invasions and may be multiculturalism played a part in it.

     

    The Roman Empire collapsed because it was looted and destroyed by Germanic tribes. Before this, the western half of Rome had experienced long-term weakening due to falling agricultural production, political corruption, and persistent trade deficits. The eastern half of Rome, which was populated primarily by Meditteranean peoples, survived for nearly 1,000 more years.

    The Indian software industry is a hype. There is hardly much innovation in our software industry. It is just coolie labour.

     

    Assuming this is even correct, that doesn't refute my point. Southern India is more more affluent, better educated, and technologically advanced than Northern India. Better to be a software coolie than an agricultural coolie.

    Based off historical records on population, trade, construction, agricultural production, nutritional consumption, and living conditions.

    Totally Bogus. You cannot still calculate the overall GDP of the nation. You can at best calculte the GDP per capita. You have still not answered how does one calculate the overall GDP of Africa in 500AD. And if you cannot calculate the GDP of Africa, you cannot calculate the GDP of the World and you cannot assign fancy percentages. You can at best calculate the GDP per capita with that data.

    As far as India is concerned, Indian history before the Islamic world was nearly unknown before the British historians figured everything out. There is very little detailed knowledge of Indian economics in the ancient times. There are hardly any records kept. The whole thing is bogus.

    If you look at India’s intellectual and cultural output, they really were no slouches. For example, they invented Arabic-Hindu numerals, various monuments (Taj Mahal, temples, etc), and several major world religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism). You can make the case that Indian civilization was one of the world’s leading until the 1800s

    India was repeatedly invaded by outsiders from Central Asia and each such invasions introduced new technology. The invasion of Greeks introduced new ideas in architecture and art.
    Besides, the technology used at the common people level was much more primitive and backward than colder countries.

    The Germanic invasion ushered in the Dark Ages, which was a 1000-year period of relative cultural stagnation for Europe. It wasn’t until the Renaissance when Europe finally rebounded.

    Typical nonsense, the Ostrogoths did recreate civilization in Italy. Besides, Europe was broken apart with no central Empire but in technology, the dark ages were moving ahead. The kind of military technology the armies of the Middle Ages had was far more advanced than what the Romans had. Besides, you ignore the fact that Christianity also played a part in funneling intellectualism towards the church. The Church for example banned medicine and encouraged prayer as a substitution to it.

    The Roman Empire collapsed because it was looted and destroyed by Germanic tribes. Before this, the western half of Rome had experienced long-term weakening due to falling agricultural production, political corruption, and persistent trade deficits. The eastern half of Rome, which was populated primarily by Meditteranean peoples, survived for nearly 1,000 more years.

    Most civilizatiosn have fallen to Northern peoples primarily because of higher IQ of the Northerners who lived in a much more harsher climate. The Chinese fell to the Manchus and Mongols not to the Vietnamese or Cambodians. But civilization never fell. It continued. Same with the Turkish conquest of Byzantium and Mughal conquest of the Delhi Sultanate.

    Assuming this is even correct, that doesn’t refute my point. Southern India is more more affluent, better educated, and technologically advanced than Northern India.

    Not true. Have you been to India? The gap is really very small. The whole Couth India is more technologically advanced is a hype. Haryana and Punjab both Northern Indian cities have a high per capita income too. It is the Bimaru states that drag everything down.

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  • @Singh
    You can see then that it's in interest of both Hindu & WN for this collapse to happen sooner rather than later।।

    That christian institutions will be more interested into chasing converts than retaining european ethnic character, therefore for whites to become Dharmic is only option।।

    Part of this is erasing Cattle slaughter।।

    https://youtu.be/BS4D95ejpl0

    What do we have that Greek Rome didn't?

    https://manasataramgini.wordpress.com/2016/03/13/some-notes-on-the-heathen-lithuania-and-its-demise/

    Varna specifically Brahma Kshtra।।

    Lithuania lasted millennia longer than other Euros due to this।।

    Few decades more & Pagan Lithuania at Westphalia।।

    You can see then that it’s in interest of both Hindu & WN for this collapse to happen sooner rather than later

    Yes, looks that way.

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  • @JohnnyWalker123

    It is very hard to come up with any estimates in that period as far as over all GDP is concerned. Explain please how would one calculate the GDP of Africa or South America in 500 AD.

     

    Based off historical records on population, trade, construction, agricultural production, nutritional consumption, and living conditions.

    How do we write history books on empires that passed thousands of years ago?

    History didn't just begin after the Industrial Revolution.

    You got it wrong. You can have the most productive people in the world but if they live in the middle of the desert, it is not much use. You could have a low productive people on fertile land and get a higher harvest, thus higher malthusian limit, more wealth.
    It is only in the industrial revolution that you have a level playing field.
     
    If you look at India's intellectual and cultural output, they really were no slouches. For example, they invented Arabic-Hindu numerals, various monuments (Taj Mahal, temples, etc), and several major world religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism). You can make the case that Indian civilization was one of the world's leading until the 1800s.


    Hmmm could this have to do anything with access the sea?
    Southern China is one of those exception cases.

     

    Southern China was also extremely strong in producing successful exam takers for the Imperial bureaucracy. Much stronger, per capita, than Northern China. What does this have to do with the sea?

    The Germanic Ostrogoths rebuilt civilization in the Italian peninsula, something even Belisaruis of the Byzantine army observed.

     

    The Germanic invasion ushered in the Dark Ages, which was a 1000-year period of relative cultural stagnation for Europe. It wasn't until the Renaissance when Europe finally rebounded.

    The Roman empire was collapsing irrespective of the Germanic invasions and may be multiculturalism played a part in it.

     

    The Roman Empire collapsed because it was looted and destroyed by Germanic tribes. Before this, the western half of Rome had experienced long-term weakening due to falling agricultural production, political corruption, and persistent trade deficits. The eastern half of Rome, which was populated primarily by Meditteranean peoples, survived for nearly 1,000 more years.

    The Indian software industry is a hype. There is hardly much innovation in our software industry. It is just coolie labour.

     

    Assuming this is even correct, that doesn't refute my point. Southern India is more more affluent, better educated, and technologically advanced than Northern India. Better to be a software coolie than an agricultural coolie.

    Here are the statewide high shcool graduation rates for indigenous Native American (including Inuit) students. These rates are from a 2010 study from The Civil Rights Project/Proyecto Derechos Civiles at UCLA.

    Alaska (Inuit) – 46.8%
    Arizona – 52.4%
    California – 52.4%
    Idaho – 48.4%
    Montana – 50%
    New Mexico – 45.3%
    North Dakota – 37.9%
    Oklahoma – 63.8%
    Oregon – 42.7%
    South Dakota – 30.4%
    Washington – 42.7%

    Alaska is a frigidly cold-weather state. Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, South Dakota, and North Dakota are moderate in temperature. California and Okalahoma are warm-weather. Arizona and New Mexico are very hot.

    There is no discernible relationship between weather and graduation rates.

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  • @Malla
    I am reposting this from a different webpage

    Agricultural societies were low efficiency/ low productivity societies as compared to post Industrial revolution societies. You could be a population with a high IQ with many other positive traits but if you live in a land where due to geological or climatic reasons, there are limitations in food production, you are going to be at a disadvantage over medium IQ populations who live in places where due to various reasons, it is more conducive for growing a huge amount of grain. More grain, more population. And a greater population whose labour to support a population of scholars and artists. Scholars and artists can in one way be considered ornaments of a civilization, a civilization will only channelize resources to such things only if they have an excess of resources, which in those days meant mostly food. People who are busy trying to fill their stomach will not have time to write high philosophy or create high art. All living beings have to fulfill their basic needs first. You must be aware of the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.
    The Danes of 1600 would have had more IQ than the Turk, but the Turks grew more grain, had more access to resources/wealth in the pre industrial age. But after the industrial revolution, the Danes would have an advantage over the Turks as they posses genetic qualities which are more suitable for an industrial/technological society.

    For example a country like Scotland which is more mountainous is less conducive for growing grain than say England. That is what traditionally Scotland had less population than England but also it’s economy was smaller than England. Similarly England is fertile land but it cannot compete with the Ganges in food production due to a number of reason. The Emperor of India like say Mughal Emperor Akbar would have more grain growing in his realm, being at the top, he would have more wealth/resources at his disposal than say the King of England. He had the liberty to channel a part of this wealth to philosophers/artists and he had more of it.
    Similarly Japan is mostly mountainous land. Compared to the land of China, the grain growing potential is lower in Japan, the Japanese Emperor would have less wealth/ resources at his disposal than the Emperor of China.

    But after the Industrial revolution, all that changed. The productivity of the land was of less importance, the productivity of the people mattered. Compared to the agricultural societies of the past, Industrial societies are much more efficient and small differences in traits in the human population could make a big difference in social and economical outcomes. With improvements in shipping technology, raw material could be transported from any part of the world easily with transportation costs falling with improvements in technology. Those raw material could be processed by your high IQ, high productivity labour and thus wealth created at a faster rate than agricultural societies. In other words, you can become quite independent of the quality of your land when it comes to wealth creation but you are now very dependent on the quality of your people. It is in the post Industrial revolution society, that populations with higher IQs and other positive traits could express their advantage over those populations who posses less of their traits, the most. It is in the more efficient post industrial revolution era that differences in various traits in human populations would get magnified in it’s effect on the social and economic outcomes of a country. In the agricultural era, it was not so.

    You could have very high IQ a thousand years ago, but if you live in Siberia, you will still be poorer than a medium IQ population living on the banks of the Nile. That medium IQ population had the ability to grow more grain and hence had a higher Malthusian limit and thus grow it’s population more than the Siberian population. With such a huge labour force, grain and wealth available at their disposal, the Nile population’s elites would have the liberty to channel excess populations, wealth and grain to artistic and philosophical pursuits. While the Siberian population has a higher IQ but most of it’s population would be busy in growing/ hunting food to think much about philosophy and arts. Their art and philosophy would remain more rudimentary. Since they would have a high IQ, it is likely they would innovate techniques to catch food faster/ grow more food in the harsh conditions they live in. But they would never be able to grow the volumes of grain that the Nile population would.

    That is why I think, comparisons of achievements of populations should start with the post Industrial revolution age.

    The Danes of 1600 would have had more IQ than the Turk, but the Turks grew more grain, had more access to resources/wealth in the pre industrial age. But after the industrial revolution, the Danes would have an advantage over the Turks as they posses genetic qualities which are more suitable for an industrial/technological society.

    The Germanics who invaded the Roman Empire didn’t demonstrate stronger cognitive abilities than inhabitants of warm weather Rome. In both China and India, the invaders have come from the north, but it’s the southern regions that demonstrate the most economic dynamism today. In Europe, the cold-weather Eastern European nations don’t demonstrate more economic or technological progress than the warm-weather nations of Western Europe.

    It’s incorrect to assert that cold-weather people consistently achieve greater prosperity than the indigenous inhabitants of warm-weather regions.

    You could have very high IQ a thousand years ago, but if you live in Siberia, you will still be poorer than a medium IQ population living on the banks of the Nile. That medium IQ population had the ability to grow more grain and hence had a higher Malthusian limit and thus grow it’s population more than the Siberian population. With such a huge labour force, grain and wealth available at their disposal, the Nile population’s elites would have the liberty to channel excess populations, wealth and grain to artistic and philosophical pursuits. While the Siberian population has a higher IQ but most of it’s population would be busy in growing/ hunting food to think much about philosophy and arts. Their art and philosophy would remain more rudimentary. Since they would have a high IQ, it is likely they would innovate techniques to catch food faster/ grow more food in the harsh conditions they live in. But they would never be able to grow the volumes of grain that the Nile population would.

    In today’s Russian, the indigenous peoples of Siberia have twice the national poverty rate and one-half the national income. Your theory is refuted by the existence of this population. Your theory is also refuted by the low achivement of the cold-weather northern indigenous peoples of America and Canada.

    It’s incorrect to assert that there’s a consistent pattern of cold-weather peoples succeeding in technologically-oriented market economies.

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    The Germanics who invaded the Roman Empire didn’t demonstrate stronger cognitive abilities than inhabitants of warm weather Rome. In both China and India, the invaders have come from the north, but it’s the southern regions that demonstrate the most economic dynamism today. In Europe, the cold-weather Eastern European nations don’t demonstrate more economic or technological progress than the warm-weather nations of Western Europe.
     
    Please read my post 558. The Romans themselves had come from the North. Northerners living in harsher climates have a high IQ but cannot express them in things like philosophy etc... because they need their higher IQ to satisfy the lower requirements of man but they tend to use more advanced tools. It is when they come and settle in the more agriculturally productive lands in warmer climates do they get the time and resources to eventually divert their IQs towards so called higher pursuits.
    Most Civilizations did not just start in warm places in the way you understand it but in a particular latitude range, near rivers (Indus, Nile, Euphrates ) or other productive land areas like Turkey. Why only these latitudes? Because they are the most accessible productive land south of the cold north. Civilization in India DID NOT start in the South but along the Indus Valley which is pretty North. Why did civilization center around fertile lands like rivers? Why do we name many civilisations on rivers like the Indus valley civilization? More food- more wealth- more population-more labour- more labour and resources to support an intellectual class. it is hard to do this in a place like Scandinavia even if the population has a high IQ.
    The Germanians had just come south. With time they contributed a lot intellectually during the Middle Ages and places like Southern Italy remained laggards.

    In both China and India, the invaders have come from the north, but it’s the southern regions that demonstrate the most economic dynamism today.
     
    As far as India is concerned you have a very wrong picture. Villages in Southern India are very backward and there is a lot of economic dynamism in Northern Indian places like Gurgaon and Chandigarh. The difference is between the North and South is very small.

    These are houses in South Indian villages, nothing much to write about

    https://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/India/South/Tamil_Nadu/Madurai/photo1495806.htm

    In China, this map says it all

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_administrative_divisions_by_GDP_per_capita#/media/File:China-_Nominal_GDP_per_capita_(USD).svg

    It is more a matter of Coastal versus interior rather than North versus South. And why the coast? Access to the sea.

    As far as Eastern Europe, Akarlin has written many articles where he has shown that the Slavic IQ roof is in between the Germanic nations above them and Meds below them. Western Southern Europe did not go through Communism in the same way as Eastern European countries.

    As far as the Inuit, they truly are an exception. So are Native Americans. Some other factors must have played a part why they are outliners to the theory.
    It is discussed here.
    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.in/2010/11/explaining-cold-climate-theory-for.html

    Comparisons made before the Industrial revolution is pointless as those populations even with medium IQs living near productive land would have greater prosperity and more resources for intellectual pursuits. The real test is after the Industrial revolution. For peoples south of the Inuit, native Siberians in Eurasia and Africa, the cold climate theory in general holds true.
    , @Malla

    In today’s Russian, the indigenous peoples of Siberia have twice the national poverty rate and one-half the national income. Your theory is refuted by the existence of this population.
     
    You misunderstood. I took Siberia as an example. And I said high IQ population, and Siberians are a medium IQ population. What I meant to say is that if you took the ancient Egyptians whoever they were and had put them in Siberia with no communications or link with their home populations, they would have been unable to build an Egypt like civilization in Siberia because of low productivity of the land. Similarly any population with the exception of perhaps Bantus/Papuans placed in the Ganges would have eventually created a great civilization. The land factor was more important than the people factor before the industrial revolution. Indeed if you would have placed Northern Europeans or North East Asian population on the banks of the Ganges (with no other populations), with time they would have had built an even greater civilization than what was there in innovation and overall GDP.

    Your theory is also refuted by the low achivement of the cold-weather northern indigenous peoples of America and Canada.
     
    Nope it is not. It stands for populations south of the Inuit/ Siberians. Just because you have some exceptions does not mean the theory is completely false. It stands true for Europeans, Arabs, Indians , South East Asians, Japanese etc...
    Just because one was successful in the pre industrial age is no guarantee that they will be in the post industrial revolution age. You were great at running, it is swimming competitions from now on.
    , @Malla

    It’s incorrect to assert that cold-weather people consistently achieve greater prosperity than the indigenous inhabitants of warm-weather regions.
     
    It is correct to assert that in the post Industrial revolution world cold climate populations by which I mean Northern Euro and North East Asias societies have a greater chance to succeed. In my opinion, most middle region countries from the Middle East to South Asia to South East Asia will reach a glass ceiling in development, however there are many other factors at work but the cold climate theory is one major factor.
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  • @Malla

    Perhaps his numbers are off, but are there any better estimates out there?
     
    It is very hard to come up with any estimates in that period as far as over all GDP is concerned. Explain please how would one calculate the GDP of Africa or South America in 500 AD.

    First of all, the productivity of the land is dependent on the productivity of the people.
     
    You got it wrong. You can have the most productive people in the world but if they live in the middle of the desert, it is not much use. You could have a low productive people on fertile land and get a higher harvest, thus higher malthusian limit, more wealth.
    It is only in the industrial revolution that you have a level playing field.

    Second of all, your theory on “cold climate folks” is contradicted by reality.
     
    No it is not

    Much of China, especially southeastern China, is humid and subtropical in climate. Interestingly, it’s this southeastern region that was historically a center of commerce, trade, and high economic output. The southeastern region also was academically the strongest region of China, which resulted in the northern provinces being given affirmative action quotas in China’s bureaucratic exams. As China has transitioned from Communism back into a market economy, the southeast has flourished more than other parts of the country. Almost the entire Chinese diaspora, which is extremely successful, comes from the southeast.
     
    Hmmm could this have to do anything with access the sea?
    Southern China is one of those exception cases.

    Wasn’t the Western half of the Roman Empire destroyed by “cold weather folks” from northern Europe? Didn’t the warm-weather Eastern half of the Roman Empire thrive for centuries more after that?
     
    The Germanic Ostrogoths rebuilt civilization in the Italian peninsula, something even Belisaruis of the Byzantine army observed. The Roman empire was collapsing irrespective of the Germanic invasions and may be multiculturalism played a part in it.

    Southern India is the center of India’s booming software industry and has a higher HDI than the languishing northern Indian tates.
     
    The Indian software industry is a hype. There is hardly much innovation in our software industry. It is just coolie labour.

    It is very hard to come up with any estimates in that period as far as over all GDP is concerned. Explain please how would one calculate the GDP of Africa or South America in 500 AD.

    Based off historical records on population, trade, construction, agricultural production, nutritional consumption, and living conditions.

    How do we write history books on empires that passed thousands of years ago?

    History didn’t just begin after the Industrial Revolution.

    You got it wrong. You can have the most productive people in the world but if they live in the middle of the desert, it is not much use. You could have a low productive people on fertile land and get a higher harvest, thus higher malthusian limit, more wealth.
    It is only in the industrial revolution that you have a level playing field.

    If you look at India’s intellectual and cultural output, they really were no slouches. For example, they invented Arabic-Hindu numerals, various monuments (Taj Mahal, temples, etc), and several major world religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism). You can make the case that Indian civilization was one of the world’s leading until the 1800s.

    Hmmm could this have to do anything with access the sea?
    Southern China is one of those exception cases.

    Southern China was also extremely strong in producing successful exam takers for the Imperial bureaucracy. Much stronger, per capita, than Northern China. What does this have to do with the sea?

    The Germanic Ostrogoths rebuilt civilization in the Italian peninsula, something even Belisaruis of the Byzantine army observed.

    The Germanic invasion ushered in the Dark Ages, which was a 1000-year period of relative cultural stagnation for Europe. It wasn’t until the Renaissance when Europe finally rebounded.

    The Roman empire was collapsing irrespective of the Germanic invasions and may be multiculturalism played a part in it.

    The Roman Empire collapsed because it was looted and destroyed by Germanic tribes. Before this, the western half of Rome had experienced long-term weakening due to falling agricultural production, political corruption, and persistent trade deficits. The eastern half of Rome, which was populated primarily by Meditteranean peoples, survived for nearly 1,000 more years.

    The Indian software industry is a hype. There is hardly much innovation in our software industry. It is just coolie labour.

    Assuming this is even correct, that doesn’t refute my point. Southern India is more more affluent, better educated, and technologically advanced than Northern India. Better to be a software coolie than an agricultural coolie.

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    Here are the statewide high shcool graduation rates for indigenous Native American (including Inuit) students. These rates are from a 2010 study from The Civil Rights Project/Proyecto Derechos Civiles at UCLA.

    Alaska (Inuit) – 46.8%
    Arizona – 52.4%
    California – 52.4%
    Idaho – 48.4%
    Montana – 50%
    New Mexico – 45.3%
    North Dakota – 37.9%
    Oklahoma – 63.8%
    Oregon – 42.7%
    South Dakota – 30.4%
    Washington – 42.7%

    Alaska is a frigidly cold-weather state. Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho, South Dakota, and North Dakota are moderate in temperature. California and Okalahoma are warm-weather. Arizona and New Mexico are very hot.

    There is no discernible relationship between weather and graduation rates.
    , @Malla

    Based off historical records on population, trade, construction, agricultural production, nutritional consumption, and living conditions.
     
    Totally Bogus. You cannot still calculate the overall GDP of the nation. You can at best calculte the GDP per capita. You have still not answered how does one calculate the overall GDP of Africa in 500AD. And if you cannot calculate the GDP of Africa, you cannot calculate the GDP of the World and you cannot assign fancy percentages. You can at best calculate the GDP per capita with that data.

    As far as India is concerned, Indian history before the Islamic world was nearly unknown before the British historians figured everything out. There is very little detailed knowledge of Indian economics in the ancient times. There are hardly any records kept. The whole thing is bogus.

    If you look at India’s intellectual and cultural output, they really were no slouches. For example, they invented Arabic-Hindu numerals, various monuments (Taj Mahal, temples, etc), and several major world religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism). You can make the case that Indian civilization was one of the world’s leading until the 1800s
     
    India was repeatedly invaded by outsiders from Central Asia and each such invasions introduced new technology. The invasion of Greeks introduced new ideas in architecture and art.
    Besides, the technology used at the common people level was much more primitive and backward than colder countries.

    The Germanic invasion ushered in the Dark Ages, which was a 1000-year period of relative cultural stagnation for Europe. It wasn’t until the Renaissance when Europe finally rebounded.
     
    Typical nonsense, the Ostrogoths did recreate civilization in Italy. Besides, Europe was broken apart with no central Empire but in technology, the dark ages were moving ahead. The kind of military technology the armies of the Middle Ages had was far more advanced than what the Romans had. Besides, you ignore the fact that Christianity also played a part in funneling intellectualism towards the church. The Church for example banned medicine and encouraged prayer as a substitution to it.

    The Roman Empire collapsed because it was looted and destroyed by Germanic tribes. Before this, the western half of Rome had experienced long-term weakening due to falling agricultural production, political corruption, and persistent trade deficits. The eastern half of Rome, which was populated primarily by Meditteranean peoples, survived for nearly 1,000 more years.
     
    Most civilizatiosn have fallen to Northern peoples primarily because of higher IQ of the Northerners who lived in a much more harsher climate. The Chinese fell to the Manchus and Mongols not to the Vietnamese or Cambodians. But civilization never fell. It continued. Same with the Turkish conquest of Byzantium and Mughal conquest of the Delhi Sultanate.

    Assuming this is even correct, that doesn’t refute my point. Southern India is more more affluent, better educated, and technologically advanced than Northern India.
     
    Not true. Have you been to India? The gap is really very small. The whole Couth India is more technologically advanced is a hype. Haryana and Punjab both Northern Indian cities have a high per capita income too. It is the Bimaru states that drag everything down.
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  • @Malla
    Cold climate theory is for those people who face changing climates through out the year. Inuit are too far North. Every scholar who discusses the cold climate theory will discuss the exception of Inuit, Siberians etc... because they do not face the changing 4 seasons of Northern Euros and North East Asian JKCs (Japanese, Koreans, Chinese).
    Besides I did read in some research paper that even though the Inuit and similar people are hunter gatherers, they are the most advanced of all hunter gatherers as far complexity of tools used and definitely used far more complicated tools than hunter gatherers of the tropics.

    Cold climate theory is for those people who face changing climates through out the year. Inuit are too far North. Every scholar who discusses the cold climate theory will discuss the exception of Inuit, Siberians etc… because they do not face the changing 4 seasons of Northern Euros and North East Asian JKCs (Japanese, Koreans, Chinese).

    This is incorrect.

    Here’s Inuit territory during the summer.

    Here’s Siberia territory during the summer.

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    Historians considered the film to be pretty accurate, particularly in portraying how the Irish were treated :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_of_New_York#Historical_accuracy

    Aside from that, I posted all of those other articles and historical accounts. Most Americans know that the Irish were often described in terms that were just as derogatory, often more so, than how blacks were described at the time.

    Right the sale at auction of Charles Carroll of Carrollton is a little-known part of southern history.

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  • @Malla
    Yes Europeans and Iranians must return to the Aryan past. Christianity is a Middle Eastern import anyways.

    How is it a Past when we walk this Earth KeshaDhari ShastarDhari O AryaPutra।।

    Let he with Un shorn Hair but no Weapons Be Known as half a Man –

    Without Weapons do not dare come in my presence

    Without weapons you will be sheep led by the ear by worldly powers – dual meaning of political & spiritual ie Five thieves pray on weakness of Character IMO. – Without Weapons You will not receive my Darshan।।

    Immortal words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji King of Ksytrias।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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  • @Malla

    Only whites who don’t deserve genocide are those who become Pagan/Dharmic we have no need to support others
     
    And what about Jews? Will they have to convert to Dharmic to survive? And black Christians and Muslims?
    If all Hindus convert to Buddhism will you have any problem with that?After all Buddhism is Dharmic?

    Also what you say about this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MECwX3ZJ7JY

    He honestly says that upper caste Hindus have more ancestry from Iran and further from Russia than lower castes who have less of it and we used to treat the lower caste darkos as slaves at 0:56 minutes. Sikh is not Hindu nor Muslim.

    Not likely to happen here’s why:

    https://www.searchgurbani.com/public/dasam-granth/page/993

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/3-types-of-warriors

    But yes everyone will have to।।

    Sikh are ethnically Hindu & this stuff is response to RSS trying to create Jaat based Sikh subsects like British did to weaken the power so close to dual capital of Lahore Dilli।।

    Many Hindu Sampradya also consider their prime diety to be all creator & others to stem from such as Ganpat Panth Shaiva Panth etc

    Sikh are essentially Vaishanav a cursory look at chapter index of Chaubis Avatar would indicate this ie Shiv Ji & Brahma Ji both being considered Vishnu Avatar & Hari being most commonly used name for Creator although Hari has many names

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lyrical-dexterity-from-patshahi-10

    Understanding these small intricate details is why we need Brahmin ie dedicated scholars. Any Jaat can serve this position but reality of tradition & behavioral genetics means there will be dominance of few।।

    Khalsa Panth is neither Hindu nor Muslim but Sikh is a type of Hindu।।

    Sorry can’t watch video right now but personal criticism of RSS is that it’s too soft. As Sri Sita Ram Goel said they’re secular idiots.

    Ie they prefer South Korea model to Japan

    If Church of India is Nationalist, prays for India while persecuting Hindus it fine in their book।।

    A stone thrown at a church reverberates across globe. Dozens of RSS workers hacked to death on streets of Kerala West Bengal & RSS itself remains mute spectator.

    A History of Hindu Revivalist Movement is good book on this stuff. Although long

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    You can see then that it's in interest of both Hindu & WN for this collapse to happen sooner rather than later।।

    That christian institutions will be more interested into chasing converts than retaining european ethnic character, therefore for whites to become Dharmic is only option।।

    Part of this is erasing Cattle slaughter।।

    https://youtu.be/BS4D95ejpl0

    What do we have that Greek Rome didn't?

    https://manasataramgini.wordpress.com/2016/03/13/some-notes-on-the-heathen-lithuania-and-its-demise/

    Varna specifically Brahma Kshtra।।

    Lithuania lasted millennia longer than other Euros due to this।।

    Few decades more & Pagan Lithuania at Westphalia।।

    Yes Europeans and Iranians must return to the Aryan past. Christianity is a Middle Eastern import anyways.

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    How is it a Past when we walk this Earth KeshaDhari ShastarDhari O AryaPutra।।

    Let he with Un shorn Hair but no Weapons Be Known as half a Man -

    Without Weapons do not dare come in my presence

    Without weapons you will be sheep led by the ear by worldly powers - dual meaning of political & spiritual ie Five thieves pray on weakness of Character IMO. - Without Weapons You will not receive my Darshan।।

    Immortal words of Guru Gobind Singh Ji King of Ksytrias।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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  • @Singh
    Khalsa would have done it।।
    Still will।।
    Only whites who don't deserve genocide are those who become Pagan/Dharmic we have no need to support others।।

    https://www.dailyo.in/politics/the-missing-hindus-in-south-asia-and-a-conspiracy-of-silence/story/1/1149.html

    They (christian/jew) will always support Sullahs long term vs us.

    If you wish to be agnostic about it, consider how much trouble China gives them. No civilization wants a competitor awoken,

    Consider that the majority of sullahs are in Akhand Bharat from Eastern Iran to Java।।

    Mohammad told his sullahs to invade Hind।।

    Have read how the pindaris were initially good but corrupted later on।।

    Ala Singh's Sons ie YaduVansh ie Duryodhan Fauj joined Brits else this was easy।।

    http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurdwara_Singh_Shaheedan

    Das uses these old references because they're still relevant, not relegated to mythos, memory or scripture।।

    They're living reality,

    Look Veer Ji Bhra Ji just prepare for war।।

    Start lifting for one, Do Starting Strength & then Madcow 5x5 or 5/3/1

    Stronglifts.com has tutorials or venerable youtu.be especially Alan Thrall & Omarisuf channels।।

    Goris not hard, past that w/e

    We can argue the details but fact is

    Bharat Ma De Har Ik Tukrey De Liye Sava Lakh Var Vi Mariye

    Taa Vi Ghat Hai।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    Only whites who don’t deserve genocide are those who become Pagan/Dharmic we have no need to support others

    And what about Jews? Will they have to convert to Dharmic to survive? And black Christians and Muslims?
    If all Hindus convert to Buddhism will you have any problem with that?After all Buddhism is Dharmic?

    Also what you say about this

    He honestly says that upper caste Hindus have more ancestry from Iran and further from Russia than lower castes who have less of it and we used to treat the lower caste darkos as slaves at 0:56 minutes. Sikh is not Hindu nor Muslim.

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    Not likely to happen here's why:

    https://www.searchgurbani.com/public/dasam-granth/page/993

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/3-types-of-warriors

    But yes everyone will have to।।

    Sikh are ethnically Hindu & this stuff is response to RSS trying to create Jaat based Sikh subsects like British did to weaken the power so close to dual capital of Lahore Dilli।।

    Many Hindu Sampradya also consider their prime diety to be all creator & others to stem from such as Ganpat Panth Shaiva Panth etc

    Sikh are essentially Vaishanav a cursory look at chapter index of Chaubis Avatar would indicate this ie Shiv Ji & Brahma Ji both being considered Vishnu Avatar & Hari being most commonly used name for Creator although Hari has many names

    https://www.manglacharan.com/home/lyrical-dexterity-from-patshahi-10

    Understanding these small intricate details is why we need Brahmin ie dedicated scholars. Any Jaat can serve this position but reality of tradition & behavioral genetics means there will be dominance of few।।

    Khalsa Panth is neither Hindu nor Muslim but Sikh is a type of Hindu।।

    Sorry can't watch video right now but personal criticism of RSS is that it's too soft. As Sri Sita Ram Goel said they're secular idiots.

    Ie they prefer South Korea model to Japan

    If Church of India is Nationalist, prays for India while persecuting Hindus it fine in their book।।

    A stone thrown at a church reverberates across globe. Dozens of RSS workers hacked to death on streets of Kerala West Bengal & RSS itself remains mute spectator.

    A History of Hindu Revivalist Movement is good book on this stuff. Although long
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  • @Thomm

    LOL; I have your back on this one Thomm.
     
    It is amazing the lengths Ron Unz will go to in order to pretend that the Irish were never the subject of extreme racism in America (even to the extent of being likened to apes).

    It is one thing when a 70-IQ White Nationalist does it. It is another when Ron Unz :

    a) pretends that he did not know this.
    b) ignores the links I provide from multiple sources. Some are drawings from major publications (NOT cartoons), others are historical accounts.

    His only answer is "Oh, he must be Indian, which must mean he thinks X, which leads to Y". What a pretzel* of denial he has twisted himself into.

    *Indians don't use 'pretzel' as a metaphor, muchacho**
    ** Indians don't say 'muchacho'

    What kind of crack cocaine do you or people like you smoke? Must be getting some crazy visions.

    Ok so these people are not White?

    How are they not White???? What kind of crack does one smoke to believe they are not White?

    Now because they joined the evil YTs and they became White by becoming racist or something like that according to noel ignatiev.

    These below too can become White

    Blacks can become White

    Indians can also become White

    Arabs can also become White

    Seriously what is this Thomm or ignatiev guy smoking??? Suspension of simple common sense. You know what the problem with the Western World is today? That the people of the West did not put noel ignatiev in a mental asylum and let him be a professor in a University. The crazies are running the universities and other crazies are believing the non sense. The West is turning into a crack house.

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  • @Singh
    Whites have names from the bible

    Aryas have names like Bhisma, One Whose Name Incites Great Fear

    Or

    Sarvadamana, The Subduer of all

    Or

    Dushyant, The ender of Tyrants।।

    Who dares to compare the two?

    Not even the suicidal among the Melech look a Jungi Jungli Singh in the eye।।

    https://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/sikh-struggle-against-mughal-empire-1708-1799/jangnama

    When I recall that day, I tremble with the fear of the Doomsday."

    "Do not call the dogs (the Sikhs) dogs, because they are lions (and) are courageous like lions in the battlefield. How can a hero, who roars like a lion be called a dog? (Moreover) like lions they spread terror in the field of battle. If you wish to learn the art of war, come face to face with them in the battlefield. They will demonstrate it (art of war) to you in such a way that one and all will shower praise on them.

    If you wish to learn the science of war, O swordsman, learn from them. They advance at the enemy boldly and come back safely after action. Understand, Singh is their title, a form of address for them. It is not justice to call them dogs; if you do not know Hindustani language, then understand that the word 'Singh' means a lion."Truly, they are lion in battle, and at times of peace, they surpass "Hatim" (in generosity ).

    When they take the Indian sword in their hands they traverse the country from Hind to Sind. None can stand against them in battle, howsoever strong he may be. When they handle the spear, they shatter the ranks of the enemy. When they raise the heads of their spears towa-rds the sky, they would pierce even through the Caucasus (in the process). When they adjust the strings of the bows, place in them the enemy killing arrows (and) pull the strings to their ears, the body of the enemy begins to shiver with fear. When their battle axes fall upon the armour of their opponents, their armour becomes their coffin.

    "The body of every one of them is like a piece of rock and in physical grandeur everyone of them is more than fifty men. It is said that Behram Gore killed wild asses and lions. But if he were to come face to face with them even he would bow before them (Singhs). Besides usual arms, they take their guns in hand (and) come into the field of action jumping (and) roaring like lions and raise slogans. They tear asunder the chests of many and shed blood of several

    Yes I knew about the Iranian Sikh war before and brave Sikh resistance. It is kabile Tareef (praiseworthy).

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  • @Thomm
    Historians considered the film to be pretty accurate, particularly in portraying how the Irish were treated :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_of_New_York#Historical_accuracy

    Aside from that, I posted all of those other articles and historical accounts. Most Americans know that the Irish were often described in terms that were just as derogatory, often more so, than how blacks were described at the time.

    A lot of the fear of the Irish had to do with Catholicism and a fear by Protestants of rising Catholic populations.

    Besides

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/?utm_term=.97a33eabbda4

    “Whiteness studies” is all the rage these days. My friends who teach U.S. history have told me that this perspective has “completely taken over” studies of American ethnic history. I can’t vouch for that, but I do know that I constantly see people assert, as a matter of “fact,” that Irish, Italian, Jewish and other “ethnic” white American were not considered to be “white” until sometime in the mid-to-late 20th century, vouching for the fact that this understanding of American history has spread widely.

    The relevant scholarly literature seems to have started with Noel Ignatiev’s book “How the Irish Became White,” and taken off from there. But what the relevant authors mean by white is ahistorical. They are referring to a stylized, sociological or anthropological understanding of “whiteness,” which means either “fully socially accepted as the equals of Americans of Anglo-Saxon and Germanic stock,” or, in the more politicized version, “an accepted part of the dominant ruling class in the United States.”

    Were members of the group allowed to go to “whites-only” schools in the South, or otherwise partake of the advantages that accrued to whites under Jim Crow? Were they ever segregated in schools by law, anywhere in the United States, such that “whites” went to one school, and the group in question was relegated to another? When laws banned interracial marriage in many states (not just in the South), if a white Anglo-Saxon wanted to marry a member of the group, would that have been against the law? Some labor unions restricted their membership to whites. Did such unions exclude members of the group in question? Were members of the group ever entirely excluded from being able to immigrate to the United States, or face special bans or restrictions in becoming citizens?

    If you use such objective tests, you find that Irish, Jews, Italians and other white ethnics were indeed considered white by law and by custom (as in the case of labor unions).

    Only 4 percent of Americans approved of interracial marriage as late as 1958. Yet Anglo-American whites were not ostracized by polite society for marrying Irish Americans or Italian Americans. Famous Jewish Hollywood stars such as George Burns not only married Gentiles, but openly partnered with them in their careers.
    American Indians were considered non-white, but if they assimilated and married whites their children were generally accepted as part of white society.

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  • @Malla
    Yeah that is true. When the West collapses as it will inevitably do, thanks to mass immigration of non Whites and huge debts, there will be crazy genocidal wars in the Indian subcontinent. There is no doubt about that. Hindu fundamentalists, Islamic fundamentalists, Sikhs, North Eastern freedom fighters, Maoists, Dalits etc... will all fall on each other for a nice gleeful genocidal massacre.
    You are right, it is just a waiting game right now.

    You can see then that it’s in interest of both Hindu & WN for this collapse to happen sooner rather than later।।

    That christian institutions will be more interested into chasing converts than retaining european ethnic character, therefore for whites to become Dharmic is only option।।

    Part of this is erasing Cattle slaughter।।

    What do we have that Greek Rome didn’t?

    https://manasataramgini.wordpress.com/2016/03/13/some-notes-on-the-heathen-lithuania-and-its-demise/

    Varna specifically Brahma Kshtra।।

    Lithuania lasted millennia longer than other Euros due to this।।

    Few decades more & Pagan Lithuania at Westphalia।।

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    Yes Europeans and Iranians must return to the Aryan past. Christianity is a Middle Eastern import anyways.
    , @Malla

    You can see then that it’s in interest of both Hindu & WN for this collapse to happen sooner rather than later
     
    Yes, looks that way.
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  • @Singh
    Khalsa would have done it।।
    Still will।।
    Only whites who don't deserve genocide are those who become Pagan/Dharmic we have no need to support others।।

    https://www.dailyo.in/politics/the-missing-hindus-in-south-asia-and-a-conspiracy-of-silence/story/1/1149.html

    They (christian/jew) will always support Sullahs long term vs us.

    If you wish to be agnostic about it, consider how much trouble China gives them. No civilization wants a competitor awoken,

    Consider that the majority of sullahs are in Akhand Bharat from Eastern Iran to Java।।

    Mohammad told his sullahs to invade Hind।।

    Have read how the pindaris were initially good but corrupted later on।।

    Ala Singh's Sons ie YaduVansh ie Duryodhan Fauj joined Brits else this was easy।।

    http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurdwara_Singh_Shaheedan

    Das uses these old references because they're still relevant, not relegated to mythos, memory or scripture।।

    They're living reality,

    Look Veer Ji Bhra Ji just prepare for war।।

    Start lifting for one, Do Starting Strength & then Madcow 5x5 or 5/3/1

    Stronglifts.com has tutorials or venerable youtu.be especially Alan Thrall & Omarisuf channels।।

    Goris not hard, past that w/e

    We can argue the details but fact is

    Bharat Ma De Har Ik Tukrey De Liye Sava Lakh Var Vi Mariye

    Taa Vi Ghat Hai।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    They (christian/jew) will always support Sullahs long term vs us.

    Forget Jews, why will Christians support Sulalhs? Sullahs attacked Christian Europe too.
    There was the Crusades.

    Mohammed asked his sullas to attack Europe too and Sullahs attacked Europe with a greater feorcity than India.
    Also why did the British come to the rescue of the Hindu Kingdom of Travancore in the South against the Muslim Tipu Sultan????

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  • Whites have names from the bible

    Aryas have names like Bhisma, One Whose Name Incites Great Fear

    Or

    Sarvadamana, The Subduer of all

    Or

    Dushyant, The ender of Tyrants।।

    Who dares to compare the two?

    Not even the suicidal among the Melech look a Jungi Jungli Singh in the eye।।

    https://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/sikh-struggle-against-mughal-empire-1708-1799/jangnama

    When I recall that day, I tremble with the fear of the Doomsday.”

    “Do not call the dogs (the Sikhs) dogs, because they are lions (and) are courageous like lions in the battlefield. How can a hero, who roars like a lion be called a dog? (Moreover) like lions they spread terror in the field of battle. If you wish to learn the art of war, come face to face with them in the battlefield. They will demonstrate it (art of war) to you in such a way that one and all will shower praise on them.

    If you wish to learn the science of war, O swordsman, learn from them. They advance at the enemy boldly and come back safely after action. Understand, Singh is their title, a form of address for them. It is not justice to call them dogs; if you do not know Hindustani language, then understand that the word ‘Singh’ means a lion.”Truly, they are lion in battle, and at times of peace, they surpass “Hatim” (in generosity ).

    When they take the Indian sword in their hands they traverse the country from Hind to Sind. None can stand against them in battle, howsoever strong he may be. When they handle the spear, they shatter the ranks of the enemy. When they raise the heads of their spears towa-rds the sky, they would pierce even through the Caucasus (in the process). When they adjust the strings of the bows, place in them the enemy killing arrows (and) pull the strings to their ears, the body of the enemy begins to shiver with fear. When their battle axes fall upon the armour of their opponents, their armour becomes their coffin.

    “The body of every one of them is like a piece of rock and in physical grandeur everyone of them is more than fifty men. It is said that Behram Gore killed wild asses and lions. But if he were to come face to face with them even he would bow before them (Singhs). Besides usual arms, they take their guns in hand (and) come into the field of action jumping (and) roaring like lions and raise slogans. They tear asunder the chests of many and shed blood of several

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    Yes I knew about the Iranian Sikh war before and brave Sikh resistance. It is kabile Tareef (praiseworthy).
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  • @Malla
    Yeah that is true. When the West collapses as it will inevitably do, thanks to mass immigration of non Whites and huge debts, there will be crazy genocidal wars in the Indian subcontinent. There is no doubt about that. Hindu fundamentalists, Islamic fundamentalists, Sikhs, North Eastern freedom fighters, Maoists, Dalits etc... will all fall on each other for a nice gleeful genocidal massacre.
    You are right, it is just a waiting game right now.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_8M0vyRMNE&t=3m35s

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C68rEbzWgAE4jG5?format=jpg&name=orig

    Jai Indra Dev।।Jai Bharat MA।।Jai MA Bhavani।।
    Jai Sarvadamana ChakraVartin Bharat Samrat।।

    Arya honor demanded that we make the 30 years war & ww2 look like the skirt infested sissy fight it was।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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  • @Malla

    Could have removed muslims without european threat but the melech will always ride together.
     
    How would we have done that? The most powerful Hindu power were the Marathas and second non Muslim power were the Sikhs. The Rajputs were not as powerful in that era. The Sikhs ruled only the North Western part of the subcontinent. The Marathas decimated the leftover parts of the Mughal Empire but could not remove Tipu Sultan of Mysore or the Nizam of Hyderabad from power. Besides, the Marathas were extorting high taxes as high as 25% even from fellow Hindus, so much so that one Rajput king had to commit suicide. So the Rajputs made an alliance with the British, Hindu Rajputs mind you were so pissed with the behaviour of Hindu Marathas that they made an alliance with the Christian British for protection from Maratha Cavalry.
    Pindaris were looting the peasants of India. No power in India whether Islamic, Sikh or Hindu could end or were interested in putting an end to the dacoit Pindaris who enjoyed looting poor Indian peasants even Hindu peasants, only the British did that.
    From
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pindari

    The Pindaris were loosely organized under self-chosen leaders, and each group was usually attached to one or other of the Maratha leaders. Their main characteristic was that they received no pay, but rather purchased the privilege of plundering on their own account.
    They were accustomed to assemble every year at the beginning of November, and sally forth into British occupied territory in search of plunder. In one such raid upon the Masulipatam coast they plundered 339 villages, killing or wounding 682 persons, torturing 3600 and carrying off property worth a quarter of a million pounds. In 1808-09 they plundered Gujarat, and in 1812 Mirzapur. In 1814 they were reckoned at 25,000 to 30,000 horsemen.
    Lord Hastings, with the approval of the Court of Directors of the East India Company, decided to exterminate and eliminate the Pindaris. The approval was received in September 1816 and Hastings put into place a plan by the end of 1817. To begin with, he entered into an understanding with several other powers active in India, and then commenced precise military planning and preparations to encircle and eliminate all the Pindaris. This organized campaign, known as the Pindari War, became the Third Anglo-Maratha War.
    This was an elaborate military plan: to attack the Pindari forces from the north and east from Bengal, from the west from Gujarat, and from the south from the Deccan. Hastings committed 120,000 men and 300 artillery pieces to the command created and entrusted with the task to eliminate the Pindaris. The command consisted of the Northern Force, of 4 divisions under his personal command; the Deccan Force of five divisions under the command of Thomas Hislop with Sir John Malcolm as his principal lieutenant. The forces moved swiftly, and by January 1818, the Pindaris were expelled from the regions of the Malwa and the Chamba.
    The Pindaris were surrounded on all sides by the great army, which converged upon them from Bengal, the Deccan and Gujarat under the supreme command of Lord Hastings in person. Sindhia was overawed and forced to sign the treaty of Gwalior, consenting to aid in the extirpation of the Pindaris, whom he had hitherto protected. Since the Pindaris gave a portion of their loot to Maratha leaders, the Peshwa at Pune, the Bhonsle raja at Nagpur and the army of the infant Holkar of Indore each took up arms, but were separately defeated. The Pindaris themselves offered little opposition. The three strongest Pindari contingents were under the command of three leaders namely Karim Khan Pindari; Chitu Pindari and Wasil Muhammad Pindari.
    Karim Khan Pindari had tried to convince other Pindari leaders to join him in a plan for defense but disagreements among the Pindari leaders, particularly with Chitu Pindari, destroyed any hope of a concerted effort even in the face of the impending war with the British. With the arrival of the British, Karim Khan and Wasil Muhammad headed for Gwalior. Chitu Pindari joined Holkar's forces in the meantime. Several engagements with the retreating Pindaris took place and despite defeating them, the British were unable to strike a decisive blow. All Pindari parties eventually returned south near their bases, with the British in close pursuit. During the last part of December, at the invitation of Jaswant Rao Bhau, Karim Khan Pindari had ridden north from Holkar's camp, while Chitu Pindari had come west from Kota into the area around Jawar and Bayana. British forces surrounded them on all sides. Both Chitu and Karim Khan began moving south toward their bases at the Narmada. Chitu had evaded British troops and proceeded to the ghats. Chitu fled to Bhopal, where he tried to reach an agreement with the British through the Nawab. The British rejected his plans as too extravagant. As for Karim Khan Pindari, he too was hotly pursued. In February 1819 most of the Pindari leaders surrendered to the British authorities. Namdar Khan one such leader gave himself up on 3 February 1819, and Karim Khan Pindari surrendered to John Malcolm on 15 February 1819. Others gradually followed their example. Only Chitu Pindari had managed to elude capture. But eventually he fled to the jungle when deserted by his followers. Near the end of February 1819 his body was brought to the British; he had been attacked and killed by a tiger.

    Then Hindu Maratha Lords employed even Muslim dacoits to loot Indian villagers and they got a portion of the loot. What chance did we have to kick Muslims out of India when the moral situation of the Hindus was such?

    Khalsa would have done it।।
    Still will।।
    Only whites who don’t deserve genocide are those who become Pagan/Dharmic we have no need to support others।।

    https://www.dailyo.in/politics/the-missing-hindus-in-south-asia-and-a-conspiracy-of-silence/story/1/1149.html

    They (christian/jew) will always support Sullahs long term vs us.

    If you wish to be agnostic about it, consider how much trouble China gives them. No civilization wants a competitor awoken,

    Consider that the majority of sullahs are in Akhand Bharat from Eastern Iran to Java।।

    Mohammad told his sullahs to invade Hind।।

    Have read how the pindaris were initially good but corrupted later on।।

    Ala Singh’s Sons ie YaduVansh ie Duryodhan Fauj joined Brits else this was easy।।

    http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurdwara_Singh_Shaheedan

    Das uses these old references because they’re still relevant, not relegated to mythos, memory or scripture।।

    They’re living reality,

    Look Veer Ji Bhra Ji just prepare for war।।

    Start lifting for one, Do Starting Strength & then Madcow 5×5 or 5/3/1

    Stronglifts.com has tutorials or venerable youtu.be especially Alan Thrall & Omarisuf channels।।

    Goris not hard, past that w/e

    We can argue the details but fact is

    Bharat Ma De Har Ik Tukrey De Liye Sava Lakh Var Vi Mariye

    Taa Vi Ghat Hai।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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    They (christian/jew) will always support Sullahs long term vs us.
     
    Forget Jews, why will Christians support Sulalhs? Sullahs attacked Christian Europe too.
    There was the Crusades.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPwHRrkH6Ig

    Mohammed asked his sullas to attack Europe too and Sullahs attacked Europe with a greater feorcity than India.
    Also why did the British come to the rescue of the Hindu Kingdom of Travancore in the South against the Muslim Tipu Sultan????
    , @Malla

    Only whites who don’t deserve genocide are those who become Pagan/Dharmic we have no need to support others
     
    And what about Jews? Will they have to convert to Dharmic to survive? And black Christians and Muslims?
    If all Hindus convert to Buddhism will you have any problem with that?After all Buddhism is Dharmic?

    Also what you say about this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MECwX3ZJ7JY

    He honestly says that upper caste Hindus have more ancestry from Iran and further from Russia than lower castes who have less of it and we used to treat the lower caste darkos as slaves at 0:56 minutes. Sikh is not Hindu nor Muslim.

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  • @Singh
    It's basically w8ing game if West collapses 1st then we can do Punjab 1947 on them.

    https://twitter.com/Kunthavi5/status/952774306404052993

    Thats why christian also focus on border or coastal area||

    Yeah that is true. When the West collapses as it will inevitably do, thanks to mass immigration of non Whites and huge debts, there will be crazy genocidal wars in the Indian subcontinent. There is no doubt about that. Hindu fundamentalists, Islamic fundamentalists, Sikhs, North Eastern freedom fighters, Maoists, Dalits etc… will all fall on each other for a nice gleeful genocidal massacre.
    You are right, it is just a waiting game right now.

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_8M0vyRMNE&t=3m35s

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C68rEbzWgAE4jG5?format=jpg&name=orig

    Jai Indra Dev।।Jai Bharat MA।।Jai MA Bhavani।।
    Jai Sarvadamana ChakraVartin Bharat Samrat।।

    https://twitter.com/OGSaffron/status/841939255496695808?s=17

    Arya honor demanded that we make the 30 years war & ww2 look like the skirt infested sissy fight it was।।

    https://twitter.com/OGSaffron/status/949599431623675904?s=17

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    , @Singh
    You can see then that it's in interest of both Hindu & WN for this collapse to happen sooner rather than later।।

    That christian institutions will be more interested into chasing converts than retaining european ethnic character, therefore for whites to become Dharmic is only option।।

    Part of this is erasing Cattle slaughter।।

    https://youtu.be/BS4D95ejpl0

    What do we have that Greek Rome didn't?

    https://manasataramgini.wordpress.com/2016/03/13/some-notes-on-the-heathen-lithuania-and-its-demise/

    Varna specifically Brahma Kshtra।।

    Lithuania lasted millennia longer than other Euros due to this।।

    Few decades more & Pagan Lithuania at Westphalia।।
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  • @Malla

    Could have removed muslims without european threat but the melech will always ride together.
     
    How would we have done that? The most powerful Hindu power were the Marathas and second non Muslim power were the Sikhs. The Rajputs were not as powerful in that era. The Sikhs ruled only the North Western part of the subcontinent. The Marathas decimated the leftover parts of the Mughal Empire but could not remove Tipu Sultan of Mysore or the Nizam of Hyderabad from power. Besides, the Marathas were extorting high taxes as high as 25% even from fellow Hindus, so much so that one Rajput king had to commit suicide. So the Rajputs made an alliance with the British, Hindu Rajputs mind you were so pissed with the behaviour of Hindu Marathas that they made an alliance with the Christian British for protection from Maratha Cavalry.
    Pindaris were looting the peasants of India. No power in India whether Islamic, Sikh or Hindu could end or were interested in putting an end to the dacoit Pindaris who enjoyed looting poor Indian peasants even Hindu peasants, only the British did that.
    From
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pindari

    The Pindaris were loosely organized under self-chosen leaders, and each group was usually attached to one or other of the Maratha leaders. Their main characteristic was that they received no pay, but rather purchased the privilege of plundering on their own account.
    They were accustomed to assemble every year at the beginning of November, and sally forth into British occupied territory in search of plunder. In one such raid upon the Masulipatam coast they plundered 339 villages, killing or wounding 682 persons, torturing 3600 and carrying off property worth a quarter of a million pounds. In 1808-09 they plundered Gujarat, and in 1812 Mirzapur. In 1814 they were reckoned at 25,000 to 30,000 horsemen.
    Lord Hastings, with the approval of the Court of Directors of the East India Company, decided to exterminate and eliminate the Pindaris. The approval was received in September 1816 and Hastings put into place a plan by the end of 1817. To begin with, he entered into an understanding with several other powers active in India, and then commenced precise military planning and preparations to encircle and eliminate all the Pindaris. This organized campaign, known as the Pindari War, became the Third Anglo-Maratha War.
    This was an elaborate military plan: to attack the Pindari forces from the north and east from Bengal, from the west from Gujarat, and from the south from the Deccan. Hastings committed 120,000 men and 300 artillery pieces to the command created and entrusted with the task to eliminate the Pindaris. The command consisted of the Northern Force, of 4 divisions under his personal command; the Deccan Force of five divisions under the command of Thomas Hislop with Sir John Malcolm as his principal lieutenant. The forces moved swiftly, and by January 1818, the Pindaris were expelled from the regions of the Malwa and the Chamba.
    The Pindaris were surrounded on all sides by the great army, which converged upon them from Bengal, the Deccan and Gujarat under the supreme command of Lord Hastings in person. Sindhia was overawed and forced to sign the treaty of Gwalior, consenting to aid in the extirpation of the Pindaris, whom he had hitherto protected. Since the Pindaris gave a portion of their loot to Maratha leaders, the Peshwa at Pune, the Bhonsle raja at Nagpur and the army of the infant Holkar of Indore each took up arms, but were separately defeated. The Pindaris themselves offered little opposition. The three strongest Pindari contingents were under the command of three leaders namely Karim Khan Pindari; Chitu Pindari and Wasil Muhammad Pindari.
    Karim Khan Pindari had tried to convince other Pindari leaders to join him in a plan for defense but disagreements among the Pindari leaders, particularly with Chitu Pindari, destroyed any hope of a concerted effort even in the face of the impending war with the British. With the arrival of the British, Karim Khan and Wasil Muhammad headed for Gwalior. Chitu Pindari joined Holkar's forces in the meantime. Several engagements with the retreating Pindaris took place and despite defeating them, the British were unable to strike a decisive blow. All Pindari parties eventually returned south near their bases, with the British in close pursuit. During the last part of December, at the invitation of Jaswant Rao Bhau, Karim Khan Pindari had ridden north from Holkar's camp, while Chitu Pindari had come west from Kota into the area around Jawar and Bayana. British forces surrounded them on all sides. Both Chitu and Karim Khan began moving south toward their bases at the Narmada. Chitu had evaded British troops and proceeded to the ghats. Chitu fled to Bhopal, where he tried to reach an agreement with the British through the Nawab. The British rejected his plans as too extravagant. As for Karim Khan Pindari, he too was hotly pursued. In February 1819 most of the Pindari leaders surrendered to the British authorities. Namdar Khan one such leader gave himself up on 3 February 1819, and Karim Khan Pindari surrendered to John Malcolm on 15 February 1819. Others gradually followed their example. Only Chitu Pindari had managed to elude capture. But eventually he fled to the jungle when deserted by his followers. Near the end of February 1819 his body was brought to the British; he had been attacked and killed by a tiger.

    Then Hindu Maratha Lords employed even Muslim dacoits to loot Indian villagers and they got a portion of the loot. What chance did we have to kick Muslims out of India when the moral situation of the Hindus was such?

    And what is so appalling is Bollywood made a movie ‘Veer’ (Story based on the Russian/Ukrainian novel Taras Bulba) where the Pindaris were shown as good guys (yes the same Pindaris who looted poor hapless Indian villagers) and the British are the evul White villains (who actually put an end to this Pindari menace and thus made the lives for untold millions of poor Indian peasants safe again).

    The story of the movie is basically Taras Bulba with the Pindaris taking the place of the Cossacks and the British Empire in place of the Polish Empire, mixed with songs and dance. More racist anti British propaganda from Bollywood.

    Seriously, you cannot make this up. Looters/murderers of millions of poor Indian peasants are not Indian nationalist heroes!!!! Only because they fought the evul YT British!!!!

    More reasons why YTs should stay away from interfering in non White lands and keep as much distance between non Whites and themselves.

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  • @Malla

    Bangladeshi tfr is 2.2 in BD but 4.4 in India.
     
    Do you think that Bangladeshis are planning a 'Greater Bangladesh' in Eastern India by exporting their excess population and having more kids than native Indians? A lot of people are talking about this.
    What is the solution? Do we kill tham all? There are Hindu fundamentalists even in the Government who are talking of mass genocide/deportation of Bangladeshis and most Indians gleefully support this. But the international world will come to their rescue. So how Singhji how will Hindu nationalists deal with this problem?

    It’s basically w8ing game if West collapses 1st then we can do Punjab 1947 on them.

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    Yeah that is true. When the West collapses as it will inevitably do, thanks to mass immigration of non Whites and huge debts, there will be crazy genocidal wars in the Indian subcontinent. There is no doubt about that. Hindu fundamentalists, Islamic fundamentalists, Sikhs, North Eastern freedom fighters, Maoists, Dalits etc... will all fall on each other for a nice gleeful genocidal massacre.
    You are right, it is just a waiting game right now.
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  • @Singh
    India was basically finished as a civilization between 1757-1857 tbh. Could have removed muslims without european threat but the melech will always ride together.

    1947 was the icing.

    Fact is no democratic Indian Gov is going to remove up to 45% of its youth population & there's no way BJP can win an election past 2024.

    Abrahamics have never coexisted with pagans so just Hindus will be portrayed as unlearned savages despite numerous proofs to the contrary.

    From massed water works to sculptures & temple complexes.

    O well, did Sikhs fail? Who knows. Demographics don't lie though.

    Could have removed muslims without european threat but the melech will always ride together.

    How would we have done that? The most powerful Hindu power were the Marathas and second non Muslim power were the Sikhs. The Rajputs were not as powerful in that era. The Sikhs ruled only the North Western part of the subcontinent. The Marathas decimated the leftover parts of the Mughal Empire but could not remove Tipu Sultan of Mysore or the Nizam of Hyderabad from power. Besides, the Marathas were extorting high taxes as high as 25% even from fellow Hindus, so much so that one Rajput king had to commit suicide. So the Rajputs made an alliance with the British, Hindu Rajputs mind you were so pissed with the behaviour of Hindu Marathas that they made an alliance with the Christian British for protection from Maratha Cavalry.
    Pindaris were looting the peasants of India. No power in India whether Islamic, Sikh or Hindu could end or were interested in putting an end to the dacoit Pindaris who enjoyed looting poor Indian peasants even Hindu peasants, only the British did that.
    From

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pindari

    The Pindaris were loosely organized under self-chosen leaders, and each group was usually attached to one or other of the Maratha leaders. Their main characteristic was that they received no pay, but rather purchased the privilege of plundering on their own account.
    They were accustomed to assemble every year at the beginning of November, and sally forth into British occupied territory in search of plunder. In one such raid upon the Masulipatam coast they plundered 339 villages, killing or wounding 682 persons, torturing 3600 and carrying off property worth a quarter of a million pounds. In 1808-09 they plundered Gujarat, and in 1812 Mirzapur. In 1814 they were reckoned at 25,000 to 30,000 horsemen.
    Lord Hastings, with the approval of the Court of Directors of the East India Company, decided to exterminate and eliminate the Pindaris. The approval was received in September 1816 and Hastings put into place a plan by the end of 1817. To begin with, he entered into an understanding with several other powers active in India, and then commenced precise military planning and preparations to encircle and eliminate all the Pindaris. This organized campaign, known as the Pindari War, became the Third Anglo-Maratha War.
    This was an elaborate military plan: to attack the Pindari forces from the north and east from Bengal, from the west from Gujarat, and from the south from the Deccan. Hastings committed 120,000 men and 300 artillery pieces to the command created and entrusted with the task to eliminate the Pindaris. The command consisted of the Northern Force, of 4 divisions under his personal command; the Deccan Force of five divisions under the command of Thomas Hislop with Sir John Malcolm as his principal lieutenant. The forces moved swiftly, and by January 1818, the Pindaris were expelled from the regions of the Malwa and the Chamba.
    The Pindaris were surrounded on all sides by the great army, which converged upon them from Bengal, the Deccan and Gujarat under the supreme command of Lord Hastings in person. Sindhia was overawed and forced to sign the treaty of Gwalior, consenting to aid in the extirpation of the Pindaris, whom he had hitherto protected. Since the Pindaris gave a portion of their loot to Maratha leaders, the Peshwa at Pune, the Bhonsle raja at Nagpur and the army of the infant Holkar of Indore each took up arms, but were separately defeated. The Pindaris themselves offered little opposition. The three strongest Pindari contingents were under the command of three leaders namely Karim Khan Pindari; Chitu Pindari and Wasil Muhammad Pindari.
    Karim Khan Pindari had tried to convince other Pindari leaders to join him in a plan for defense but disagreements among the Pindari leaders, particularly with Chitu Pindari, destroyed any hope of a concerted effort even in the face of the impending war with the British. With the arrival of the British, Karim Khan and Wasil Muhammad headed for Gwalior. Chitu Pindari joined Holkar’s forces in the meantime. Several engagements with the retreating Pindaris took place and despite defeating them, the British were unable to strike a decisive blow. All Pindari parties eventually returned south near their bases, with the British in close pursuit. During the last part of December, at the invitation of Jaswant Rao Bhau, Karim Khan Pindari had ridden north from Holkar’s camp, while Chitu Pindari had come west from Kota into the area around Jawar and Bayana. British forces surrounded them on all sides. Both Chitu and Karim Khan began moving south toward their bases at the Narmada. Chitu had evaded British troops and proceeded to the ghats. Chitu fled to Bhopal, where he tried to reach an agreement with the British through the Nawab. The British rejected his plans as too extravagant. As for Karim Khan Pindari, he too was hotly pursued. In February 1819 most of the Pindari leaders surrendered to the British authorities. Namdar Khan one such leader gave himself up on 3 February 1819, and Karim Khan Pindari surrendered to John Malcolm on 15 February 1819. Others gradually followed their example. Only Chitu Pindari had managed to elude capture. But eventually he fled to the jungle when deserted by his followers. Near the end of February 1819 his body was brought to the British; he had been attacked and killed by a tiger.

    Then Hindu Maratha Lords employed even Muslim dacoits to loot Indian villagers and they got a portion of the loot. What chance did we have to kick Muslims out of India when the moral situation of the Hindus was such?

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    And what is so appalling is Bollywood made a movie 'Veer' (Story based on the Russian/Ukrainian novel Taras Bulba) where the Pindaris were shown as good guys (yes the same Pindaris who looted poor hapless Indian villagers) and the British are the evul White villains (who actually put an end to this Pindari menace and thus made the lives for untold millions of poor Indian peasants safe again).

    https://de1imrko8s7v6.cloudfront.net/movies/posters/veer_poster_4_1403552596.jpg

    https://cdn.traileraddict.com/content/eros-international/veer-2.jpg

    The story of the movie is basically Taras Bulba with the Pindaris taking the place of the Cossacks and the British Empire in place of the Polish Empire, mixed with songs and dance. More racist anti British propaganda from Bollywood.

    Seriously, you cannot make this up. Looters/murderers of millions of poor Indian peasants are not Indian nationalist heroes!!!! Only because they fought the evul YT British!!!!

    More reasons why YTs should stay away from interfering in non White lands and keep as much distance between non Whites and themselves.

    , @Singh
    Khalsa would have done it।।
    Still will।।
    Only whites who don't deserve genocide are those who become Pagan/Dharmic we have no need to support others।।

    https://www.dailyo.in/politics/the-missing-hindus-in-south-asia-and-a-conspiracy-of-silence/story/1/1149.html

    They (christian/jew) will always support Sullahs long term vs us.

    If you wish to be agnostic about it, consider how much trouble China gives them. No civilization wants a competitor awoken,

    Consider that the majority of sullahs are in Akhand Bharat from Eastern Iran to Java।।

    Mohammad told his sullahs to invade Hind।।

    Have read how the pindaris were initially good but corrupted later on।।

    Ala Singh's Sons ie YaduVansh ie Duryodhan Fauj joined Brits else this was easy।।

    http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurdwara_Singh_Shaheedan

    Das uses these old references because they're still relevant, not relegated to mythos, memory or scripture।।

    They're living reality,

    Look Veer Ji Bhra Ji just prepare for war।।

    Start lifting for one, Do Starting Strength & then Madcow 5x5 or 5/3/1

    Stronglifts.com has tutorials or venerable youtu.be especially Alan Thrall & Omarisuf channels।।

    Goris not hard, past that w/e

    We can argue the details but fact is

    Bharat Ma De Har Ik Tukrey De Liye Sava Lakh Var Vi Mariye

    Taa Vi Ghat Hai।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।
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  • @Singh
    Also all of Bangladesh is going to walk over the border during any climate catastrophe & there's nothing you can do.

    Bangladeshi tfr is 2.2 in BD but 4.4 in India.
    Pakistani illegal migration is starting, so w/e

    I value my foreskin so I'll die fighting.
    I suspect you'll convert,

    Bangladeshi tfr is 2.2 in BD but 4.4 in India.

    Do you think that Bangladeshis are planning a ‘Greater Bangladesh’ in Eastern India by exporting their excess population and having more kids than native Indians? A lot of people are talking about this.
    What is the solution? Do we kill tham all? There are Hindu fundamentalists even in the Government who are talking of mass genocide/deportation of Bangladeshis and most Indians gleefully support this. But the international world will come to their rescue. So how Singhji how will Hindu nationalists deal with this problem?

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    It's basically w8ing game if West collapses 1st then we can do Punjab 1947 on them.

    https://twitter.com/Kunthavi5/status/952774306404052993

    Thats why christian also focus on border or coastal area||

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  • @dcite
    "The film ‘Gangs of New York’ is but one portrayal of this."

    oh god. The Gangs of New York? You think that's history? Batman wasn't around yet to keep things under control.

    Homicide and violent crime was fairly rare among the Irish of the late 19th century. Mostly they were inclined drunkeness and got into fights. But rape and murder, very rare. Nor were they victimized by other whites to any great extent. The hardships were mostly working and living conditions, not violence.

    Historians considered the film to be pretty accurate, particularly in portraying how the Irish were treated :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_of_New_York#Historical_accuracy

    Aside from that, I posted all of those other articles and historical accounts. Most Americans know that the Irish were often described in terms that were just as derogatory, often more so, than how blacks were described at the time.

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    A lot of the fear of the Irish had to do with Catholicism and a fear by Protestants of rising Catholic populations.

    Besides
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/22/sorry-but-the-irish-were-always-white-and-so-were-the-italians-jews-and-so-on/?utm_term=.97a33eabbda4

    “Whiteness studies” is all the rage these days. My friends who teach U.S. history have told me that this perspective has “completely taken over” studies of American ethnic history. I can’t vouch for that, but I do know that I constantly see people assert, as a matter of “fact,” that Irish, Italian, Jewish and other “ethnic” white American were not considered to be “white” until sometime in the mid-to-late 20th century, vouching for the fact that this understanding of American history has spread widely.

    The relevant scholarly literature seems to have started with Noel Ignatiev’s book “How the Irish Became White,” and taken off from there. But what the relevant authors mean by white is ahistorical. They are referring to a stylized, sociological or anthropological understanding of “whiteness,” which means either “fully socially accepted as the equals of Americans of Anglo-Saxon and Germanic stock,” or, in the more politicized version, “an accepted part of the dominant ruling class in the United States.”

    Were members of the group allowed to go to “whites-only” schools in the South, or otherwise partake of the advantages that accrued to whites under Jim Crow? Were they ever segregated in schools by law, anywhere in the United States, such that “whites” went to one school, and the group in question was relegated to another? When laws banned interracial marriage in many states (not just in the South), if a white Anglo-Saxon wanted to marry a member of the group, would that have been against the law? Some labor unions restricted their membership to whites. Did such unions exclude members of the group in question? Were members of the group ever entirely excluded from being able to immigrate to the United States, or face special bans or restrictions in becoming citizens?

    If you use such objective tests, you find that Irish, Jews, Italians and other white ethnics were indeed considered white by law and by custom (as in the case of labor unions).

    Only 4 percent of Americans approved of interracial marriage as late as 1958. Yet Anglo-American whites were not ostracized by polite society for marrying Irish Americans or Italian Americans. Famous Jewish Hollywood stars such as George Burns not only married Gentiles, but openly partnered with them in their careers.
    American Indians were considered non-white, but if they assimilated and married whites their children were generally accepted as part of white society.
    , @Anon
    Right the sale at auction of Charles Carroll of Carrollton is a little-known part of southern history.
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  • @dcite
    "The film ‘Gangs of New York’ is but one portrayal of this."

    oh god. The Gangs of New York? You think that's history? Batman wasn't around yet to keep things under control.

    Homicide and violent crime was fairly rare among the Irish of the late 19th century. Mostly they were inclined drunkeness and got into fights. But rape and murder, very rare. Nor were they victimized by other whites to any great extent. The hardships were mostly working and living conditions, not violence.

    Homicide and violent crime was fairly rare among the Irish of the late 19th century. Mostly they were inclined drunkeness and got into fights. But rape and murder, very rare.

    Then I suppose those things barely happened at all…

    More than half of all crime committed in New York in the 1850s was by Irish-born individuals.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-united-states-commit-crime-fighting-dangerous-2004406-Mar2015/

    And it seems there was Old Country precedence…

    From the Maamtrasna slaughter to the 1882 Phoenix Park murders, Ireland in the 1800s had a murder rate seven times higher than it does today. Assaults were the most common crime, 28,353 cases of which were reported between 1861 and 1893.

    https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/thirty-two-years-of-heinous-crimes-in-19th-century-ireland-go-online

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  • @Thomm

    One more time. National and religious animosities can lead to extreme insults
     
    So your 'point' is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they 'don't really mean it'?

    You can't be serious.

    Plus, you are glossing over the violence towards Irish immigrants. The film 'Gangs of New York' is but one portrayal of this.

    There is no doubt that in the 19th century and all the way up to perhaps 1914, the Irish in America were mistreated and widely portrayed as sub-humans. You ought to be against this.

    “The film ‘Gangs of New York’ is but one portrayal of this.”

    oh god. The Gangs of New York? You think that’s history? Batman wasn’t around yet to keep things under control.

    Homicide and violent crime was fairly rare among the Irish of the late 19th century. Mostly they were inclined drunkeness and got into fights. But rape and murder, very rare. Nor were they victimized by other whites to any great extent. The hardships were mostly working and living conditions, not violence.

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    Homicide and violent crime was fairly rare among the Irish of the late 19th century. Mostly they were inclined drunkeness and got into fights. But rape and murder, very rare.
     
    Then I suppose those things barely happened at all...


    More than half of all crime committed in New York in the 1850s was by Irish-born individuals.
     
    http://www.thejournal.ie/irish-united-states-commit-crime-fighting-dangerous-2004406-Mar2015/


    And it seems there was Old Country precedence...


    From the Maamtrasna slaughter to the 1882 Phoenix Park murders, Ireland in the 1800s had a murder rate seven times higher than it does today. Assaults were the most common crime, 28,353 cases of which were reported between 1861 and 1893.
     
    https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/thirty-two-years-of-heinous-crimes-in-19th-century-ireland-go-online
    , @Thomm
    Historians considered the film to be pretty accurate, particularly in portraying how the Irish were treated :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gangs_of_New_York#Historical_accuracy

    Aside from that, I posted all of those other articles and historical accounts. Most Americans know that the Irish were often described in terms that were just as derogatory, often more so, than how blacks were described at the time.
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  • @Ron Unz

    So your ‘point’ is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they ‘don’t really mean it’?
     
    Well, this "Thomm" fellow claims to be a native-born white American. But based on the peculiar language and skewed content of his comments, I was 90% sure he was actually a foreign immigrant, and about 60% sure he was a Hindu.

    However, I'd now say I'm 85% sure he's a Hindu. He's actually so ignorant of American history and society that he assumes that 19th century American *political cartoons* actually reflected the scientific beliefs of 19th century American scholars. So if newspaper cartoons portrayed Irish immigrants as subhuman apes and savages then that was the official view of American scientists.

    I think the Hindus are one of the very few peoples in the world that regard a large fraction of their fellow Hindus as basically being sub-human, so he's ignorantly extrapolating the attitudes of his own society to those of 19th century America. I simply can't imagine any anyone growing up in America, white or not and no matter how ultra-PC his education, believing something so ridiculous about the Irish.

    I think he'd be much happier going off to some other website and trying to fool people there.

    Sub human? Is that why there’s a majority of educational seats reserved for these sub humans & merely insulting their low status leads to jail?

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  • @Malla

    Many of the most fierce conflicts are between ethnic groups with a high degree of commonality.
     
    Agreed but in migration RACE matters the most. Populations who look more similar tend to behave the most similar to each other. Bangladeshis may be muslims but in behaviour and mannerisms they are very similar to Indians. If a Bangladeshi shaves of his mullah beard and stops wearing his kippah like cap, he will look no different than most Indians. And how many Bangladeshis live in India? Maximum 20 million out of a billion plus population. That is less than 2% of people who look very similar to the locals. Compared to Hispanics who are now 15% of the US population and except the small number of Hispanics who are White, the large number are brown Meztizos who in looks and mannerisms are VERY different than White or even black Americans. And even then we get anti Bangladeshi riots. Even then the Indian government builds a wall and nobody complains unlike in the USA there are ahuge number of White SJW crackpots who faint at the though of a Wall. In India, building a wall with Bangladesh is not an issue.
    Indians from the North East who look more Mongoloid face more harassment due to racism (they are Indian citizens) compared to Bangladeshi foreigners. RACE matters more in migration.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3vbxX-i15A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCcgx16e8DQ

    Check these debate ‘Are Indians Racists’ on an Indian English channel. People talk about Africans facing racism and even Indians of North Eastern descent (who look more Mongoloid and who are either racially and culturally similar to Tibetans or South East Asians, India forced these lands into the union, most of them did not want to be part of India) but nobody brings up the Bangladesh issue here, they are assumed to be of the same race as most mainstream Indians (Caucasoid Australoid hybrid looking ones).

    Also Africans make up only a tiny part of the population of Delhi, you can go for weeks without seeing a single black guy bit even then
    most Indians do not want Africans in India

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiN0SZPXlAk

    Check out the opinion of the Indians towards Africans. Many consider Africans cannibals and obviously consider them a DIFFERENT RACE even if Indians are dark. Differences in facial features, hair, temperament etc… means most Indians and Africans see each other as different races irrespective of skin colours. Most Indians look like Caucasoid Australoid hybrids with straight hair unlike the Negroid Africans.

    And guess what the Indian Supreme Court ordered the Government to deport all illegal Bangladeshis and to seal the border. No SJW crackpots calling for migrant rights, No Antifa. 99% of Indians agreed, the illegal Bangladeshis need to go as any normal country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEXMkuwzpSk

    If the USA would have been like India, the 1965 bill would NEVEr had gone through and the party which would pass such a bill would not have been elected into office for the next 40 years at least.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dwa7EAwbWY

    The Chief Minister of a state bordering Bangladesh, Assam, reviews fence being built in between India and Bangladesh.

    Leftist crack pots who claim that building a border between the USA and Mexico is not practical are lying scum. The Indo Bangladesh border is much more complicated with much difficult terrain especially on the Eastern side of Bangladesh, Yet a poor country like India is building fencing at full speed with ease. LOL.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTD9WCcYn0M

    India To Have Patrol Free, Multi Layer Smart Fence Along Pakistan, Bangladesh Borders By Mid 2017

    LOL a poor backward country can do it but not the rich technologically advanced USA. Ya right!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR9hNBPGNBA

    India's Interior minister reviews border fencing with Bangladesh

    Also all of Bangladesh is going to walk over the border during any climate catastrophe & there’s nothing you can do.

    Bangladeshi tfr is 2.2 in BD but 4.4 in India.
    Pakistani illegal migration is starting, so w/e

    I value my foreskin so I’ll die fighting.
    I suspect you’ll convert,

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    Bangladeshi tfr is 2.2 in BD but 4.4 in India.
     
    Do you think that Bangladeshis are planning a 'Greater Bangladesh' in Eastern India by exporting their excess population and having more kids than native Indians? A lot of people are talking about this.
    What is the solution? Do we kill tham all? There are Hindu fundamentalists even in the Government who are talking of mass genocide/deportation of Bangladeshis and most Indians gleefully support this. But the international world will come to their rescue. So how Singhji how will Hindu nationalists deal with this problem?
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  • @Malla

    Many of the most fierce conflicts are between ethnic groups with a high degree of commonality.
     
    Agreed but in migration RACE matters the most. Populations who look more similar tend to behave the most similar to each other. Bangladeshis may be muslims but in behaviour and mannerisms they are very similar to Indians. If a Bangladeshi shaves of his mullah beard and stops wearing his kippah like cap, he will look no different than most Indians. And how many Bangladeshis live in India? Maximum 20 million out of a billion plus population. That is less than 2% of people who look very similar to the locals. Compared to Hispanics who are now 15% of the US population and except the small number of Hispanics who are White, the large number are brown Meztizos who in looks and mannerisms are VERY different than White or even black Americans. And even then we get anti Bangladeshi riots. Even then the Indian government builds a wall and nobody complains unlike in the USA there are ahuge number of White SJW crackpots who faint at the though of a Wall. In India, building a wall with Bangladesh is not an issue.
    Indians from the North East who look more Mongoloid face more harassment due to racism (they are Indian citizens) compared to Bangladeshi foreigners. RACE matters more in migration.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3vbxX-i15A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCcgx16e8DQ

    Check these debate ‘Are Indians Racists’ on an Indian English channel. People talk about Africans facing racism and even Indians of North Eastern descent (who look more Mongoloid and who are either racially and culturally similar to Tibetans or South East Asians, India forced these lands into the union, most of them did not want to be part of India) but nobody brings up the Bangladesh issue here, they are assumed to be of the same race as most mainstream Indians (Caucasoid Australoid hybrid looking ones).

    Also Africans make up only a tiny part of the population of Delhi, you can go for weeks without seeing a single black guy bit even then
    most Indians do not want Africans in India

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiN0SZPXlAk

    Check out the opinion of the Indians towards Africans. Many consider Africans cannibals and obviously consider them a DIFFERENT RACE even if Indians are dark. Differences in facial features, hair, temperament etc… means most Indians and Africans see each other as different races irrespective of skin colours. Most Indians look like Caucasoid Australoid hybrids with straight hair unlike the Negroid Africans.

    And guess what the Indian Supreme Court ordered the Government to deport all illegal Bangladeshis and to seal the border. No SJW crackpots calling for migrant rights, No Antifa. 99% of Indians agreed, the illegal Bangladeshis need to go as any normal country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEXMkuwzpSk

    If the USA would have been like India, the 1965 bill would NEVEr had gone through and the party which would pass such a bill would not have been elected into office for the next 40 years at least.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dwa7EAwbWY

    The Chief Minister of a state bordering Bangladesh, Assam, reviews fence being built in between India and Bangladesh.

    Leftist crack pots who claim that building a border between the USA and Mexico is not practical are lying scum. The Indo Bangladesh border is much more complicated with much difficult terrain especially on the Eastern side of Bangladesh, Yet a poor country like India is building fencing at full speed with ease. LOL.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTD9WCcYn0M

    India To Have Patrol Free, Multi Layer Smart Fence Along Pakistan, Bangladesh Borders By Mid 2017

    LOL a poor backward country can do it but not the rich technologically advanced USA. Ya right!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR9hNBPGNBA

    India's Interior minister reviews border fencing with Bangladesh

    India was basically finished as a civilization between 1757-1857 tbh. Could have removed muslims without european threat but the melech will always ride together.

    1947 was the icing.

    Fact is no democratic Indian Gov is going to remove up to 45% of its youth population & there’s no way BJP can win an election past 2024.

    Abrahamics have never coexisted with pagans so just Hindus will be portrayed as unlearned savages despite numerous proofs to the contrary.

    From massed water works to sculptures & temple complexes.

    O well, did Sikhs fail? Who knows. Demographics don’t lie though.

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    Could have removed muslims without european threat but the melech will always ride together.
     
    How would we have done that? The most powerful Hindu power were the Marathas and second non Muslim power were the Sikhs. The Rajputs were not as powerful in that era. The Sikhs ruled only the North Western part of the subcontinent. The Marathas decimated the leftover parts of the Mughal Empire but could not remove Tipu Sultan of Mysore or the Nizam of Hyderabad from power. Besides, the Marathas were extorting high taxes as high as 25% even from fellow Hindus, so much so that one Rajput king had to commit suicide. So the Rajputs made an alliance with the British, Hindu Rajputs mind you were so pissed with the behaviour of Hindu Marathas that they made an alliance with the Christian British for protection from Maratha Cavalry.
    Pindaris were looting the peasants of India. No power in India whether Islamic, Sikh or Hindu could end or were interested in putting an end to the dacoit Pindaris who enjoyed looting poor Indian peasants even Hindu peasants, only the British did that.
    From
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pindari

    The Pindaris were loosely organized under self-chosen leaders, and each group was usually attached to one or other of the Maratha leaders. Their main characteristic was that they received no pay, but rather purchased the privilege of plundering on their own account.
    They were accustomed to assemble every year at the beginning of November, and sally forth into British occupied territory in search of plunder. In one such raid upon the Masulipatam coast they plundered 339 villages, killing or wounding 682 persons, torturing 3600 and carrying off property worth a quarter of a million pounds. In 1808-09 they plundered Gujarat, and in 1812 Mirzapur. In 1814 they were reckoned at 25,000 to 30,000 horsemen.
    Lord Hastings, with the approval of the Court of Directors of the East India Company, decided to exterminate and eliminate the Pindaris. The approval was received in September 1816 and Hastings put into place a plan by the end of 1817. To begin with, he entered into an understanding with several other powers active in India, and then commenced precise military planning and preparations to encircle and eliminate all the Pindaris. This organized campaign, known as the Pindari War, became the Third Anglo-Maratha War.
    This was an elaborate military plan: to attack the Pindari forces from the north and east from Bengal, from the west from Gujarat, and from the south from the Deccan. Hastings committed 120,000 men and 300 artillery pieces to the command created and entrusted with the task to eliminate the Pindaris. The command consisted of the Northern Force, of 4 divisions under his personal command; the Deccan Force of five divisions under the command of Thomas Hislop with Sir John Malcolm as his principal lieutenant. The forces moved swiftly, and by January 1818, the Pindaris were expelled from the regions of the Malwa and the Chamba.
    The Pindaris were surrounded on all sides by the great army, which converged upon them from Bengal, the Deccan and Gujarat under the supreme command of Lord Hastings in person. Sindhia was overawed and forced to sign the treaty of Gwalior, consenting to aid in the extirpation of the Pindaris, whom he had hitherto protected. Since the Pindaris gave a portion of their loot to Maratha leaders, the Peshwa at Pune, the Bhonsle raja at Nagpur and the army of the infant Holkar of Indore each took up arms, but were separately defeated. The Pindaris themselves offered little opposition. The three strongest Pindari contingents were under the command of three leaders namely Karim Khan Pindari; Chitu Pindari and Wasil Muhammad Pindari.
    Karim Khan Pindari had tried to convince other Pindari leaders to join him in a plan for defense but disagreements among the Pindari leaders, particularly with Chitu Pindari, destroyed any hope of a concerted effort even in the face of the impending war with the British. With the arrival of the British, Karim Khan and Wasil Muhammad headed for Gwalior. Chitu Pindari joined Holkar's forces in the meantime. Several engagements with the retreating Pindaris took place and despite defeating them, the British were unable to strike a decisive blow. All Pindari parties eventually returned south near their bases, with the British in close pursuit. During the last part of December, at the invitation of Jaswant Rao Bhau, Karim Khan Pindari had ridden north from Holkar's camp, while Chitu Pindari had come west from Kota into the area around Jawar and Bayana. British forces surrounded them on all sides. Both Chitu and Karim Khan began moving south toward their bases at the Narmada. Chitu had evaded British troops and proceeded to the ghats. Chitu fled to Bhopal, where he tried to reach an agreement with the British through the Nawab. The British rejected his plans as too extravagant. As for Karim Khan Pindari, he too was hotly pursued. In February 1819 most of the Pindari leaders surrendered to the British authorities. Namdar Khan one such leader gave himself up on 3 February 1819, and Karim Khan Pindari surrendered to John Malcolm on 15 February 1819. Others gradually followed their example. Only Chitu Pindari had managed to elude capture. But eventually he fled to the jungle when deserted by his followers. Near the end of February 1819 his body was brought to the British; he had been attacked and killed by a tiger.

    Then Hindu Maratha Lords employed even Muslim dacoits to loot Indian villagers and they got a portion of the loot. What chance did we have to kick Muslims out of India when the moral situation of the Hindus was such?
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  • @Malla

    Many of the most fierce conflicts are between ethnic groups with a high degree of commonality.
     
    Agreed but in migration RACE matters the most. Populations who look more similar tend to behave the most similar to each other. Bangladeshis may be muslims but in behaviour and mannerisms they are very similar to Indians. If a Bangladeshi shaves of his mullah beard and stops wearing his kippah like cap, he will look no different than most Indians. And how many Bangladeshis live in India? Maximum 20 million out of a billion plus population. That is less than 2% of people who look very similar to the locals. Compared to Hispanics who are now 15% of the US population and except the small number of Hispanics who are White, the large number are brown Meztizos who in looks and mannerisms are VERY different than White or even black Americans. And even then we get anti Bangladeshi riots. Even then the Indian government builds a wall and nobody complains unlike in the USA there are ahuge number of White SJW crackpots who faint at the though of a Wall. In India, building a wall with Bangladesh is not an issue.
    Indians from the North East who look more Mongoloid face more harassment due to racism (they are Indian citizens) compared to Bangladeshi foreigners. RACE matters more in migration.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3vbxX-i15A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCcgx16e8DQ

    Check these debate ‘Are Indians Racists’ on an Indian English channel. People talk about Africans facing racism and even Indians of North Eastern descent (who look more Mongoloid and who are either racially and culturally similar to Tibetans or South East Asians, India forced these lands into the union, most of them did not want to be part of India) but nobody brings up the Bangladesh issue here, they are assumed to be of the same race as most mainstream Indians (Caucasoid Australoid hybrid looking ones).

    Also Africans make up only a tiny part of the population of Delhi, you can go for weeks without seeing a single black guy bit even then
    most Indians do not want Africans in India

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiN0SZPXlAk

    Check out the opinion of the Indians towards Africans. Many consider Africans cannibals and obviously consider them a DIFFERENT RACE even if Indians are dark. Differences in facial features, hair, temperament etc… means most Indians and Africans see each other as different races irrespective of skin colours. Most Indians look like Caucasoid Australoid hybrids with straight hair unlike the Negroid Africans.

    And guess what the Indian Supreme Court ordered the Government to deport all illegal Bangladeshis and to seal the border. No SJW crackpots calling for migrant rights, No Antifa. 99% of Indians agreed, the illegal Bangladeshis need to go as any normal country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEXMkuwzpSk

    If the USA would have been like India, the 1965 bill would NEVEr had gone through and the party which would pass such a bill would not have been elected into office for the next 40 years at least.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dwa7EAwbWY

    The Chief Minister of a state bordering Bangladesh, Assam, reviews fence being built in between India and Bangladesh.

    Leftist crack pots who claim that building a border between the USA and Mexico is not practical are lying scum. The Indo Bangladesh border is much more complicated with much difficult terrain especially on the Eastern side of Bangladesh, Yet a poor country like India is building fencing at full speed with ease. LOL.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTD9WCcYn0M

    India To Have Patrol Free, Multi Layer Smart Fence Along Pakistan, Bangladesh Borders By Mid 2017

    LOL a poor backward country can do it but not the rich technologically advanced USA. Ya right!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR9hNBPGNBA

    India's Interior minister reviews border fencing with Bangladesh

    Land can always be taken but HINOs only know how to give land away to sullam।।

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  • @JohnnyWalker123

    They are racially very similar. It is like Poles going to England. The government has built a Wall in between both the countries.

     

    The Bangladeshis are almost all Muslim by religion, while the Indians are largely Hindus. India actually fractured along religious lines in the 1940s, with the Indian Muslims forming independent nations in Pakistan and Bangladesh. During an internal civil war in the 1970s, large numbers of Hindus were ethnically cleansed from Bangladesh. So it's not completely accurate to say that Bangladeshis and Indians are "similar."

    Are Turks and Armenians "similar"?
    Are Albanians, Serbians, Croatians, and Bosnians "similar"?
    Are Spaniards and Catalonians "similar"?
    Are Russians and Ukranians "similar"?

    Many of the most fierce conflicts are between ethnic groups with a high degree of commonality.

    If Bangladeshi Muslims are flooding into mostly Hindu India, that's like Protestants flooding into a Catholic neighborhood in Belfast.

    Despite their ethnocentricism, India has an illegal immigration problem. Much of that is driven by the overpopulation and poverty of neighboring Bangladesh. So when you say that Indians wouldn't tolerate mass migration into their country, that's untrue.

    Many of the most fierce conflicts are between ethnic groups with a high degree of commonality.

    Agreed but in migration RACE matters the most. Populations who look more similar tend to behave the most similar to each other. Bangladeshis may be muslims but in behaviour and mannerisms they are very similar to Indians. If a Bangladeshi shaves of his mullah beard and stops wearing his kippah like cap, he will look no different than most Indians. And how many Bangladeshis live in India? Maximum 20 million out of a billion plus population. That is less than 2% of people who look very similar to the locals. Compared to Hispanics who are now 15% of the US population and except the small number of Hispanics who are White, the large number are brown Meztizos who in looks and mannerisms are VERY different than White or even black Americans. And even then we get anti Bangladeshi riots. Even then the Indian government builds a wall and nobody complains unlike in the USA there are ahuge number of White SJW crackpots who faint at the though of a Wall. In India, building a wall with Bangladesh is not an issue.
    Indians from the North East who look more Mongoloid face more harassment due to racism (they are Indian citizens) compared to Bangladeshi foreigners. RACE matters more in migration.

    Check these debate ‘Are Indians Racists’ on an Indian English channel. People talk about Africans facing racism and even Indians of North Eastern descent (who look more Mongoloid and who are either racially and culturally similar to Tibetans or South East Asians, India forced these lands into the union, most of them did not want to be part of India) but nobody brings up the Bangladesh issue here, they are assumed to be of the same race as most mainstream Indians (Caucasoid Australoid hybrid looking ones).

    Also Africans make up only a tiny part of the population of Delhi, you can go for weeks without seeing a single black guy bit even then
    most Indians do not want Africans in India

    Check out the opinion of the Indians towards Africans. Many consider Africans cannibals and obviously consider them a DIFFERENT RACE even if Indians are dark. Differences in facial features, hair, temperament etc… means most Indians and Africans see each other as different races irrespective of skin colours. Most Indians look like Caucasoid Australoid hybrids with straight hair unlike the Negroid Africans.

    And guess what the Indian Supreme Court ordered the Government to deport all illegal Bangladeshis and to seal the border. No SJW crackpots calling for migrant rights, No Antifa. 99% of Indians agreed, the illegal Bangladeshis need to go as any normal country.

    If the USA would have been like India, the 1965 bill would NEVEr had gone through and the party which would pass such a bill would not have been elected into office for the next 40 years at least.

    The Chief Minister of a state bordering Bangladesh, Assam, reviews fence being built in between India and Bangladesh.

    Leftist crack pots who claim that building a border between the USA and Mexico is not practical are lying scum. The Indo Bangladesh border is much more complicated with much difficult terrain especially on the Eastern side of Bangladesh, Yet a poor country like India is building fencing at full speed with ease. LOL.

    India To Have Patrol Free, Multi Layer Smart Fence Along Pakistan, Bangladesh Borders By Mid 2017

    LOL a poor backward country can do it but not the rich technologically advanced USA. Ya right!!!

    India’s Interior minister reviews border fencing with Bangladesh

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    Land can always be taken but HINOs only know how to give land away to sullam।।
    , @Singh
    India was basically finished as a civilization between 1757-1857 tbh. Could have removed muslims without european threat but the melech will always ride together.

    1947 was the icing.

    Fact is no democratic Indian Gov is going to remove up to 45% of its youth population & there's no way BJP can win an election past 2024.

    Abrahamics have never coexisted with pagans so just Hindus will be portrayed as unlearned savages despite numerous proofs to the contrary.

    From massed water works to sculptures & temple complexes.

    O well, did Sikhs fail? Who knows. Demographics don't lie though.
    , @Singh
    Also all of Bangladesh is going to walk over the border during any climate catastrophe & there's nothing you can do.

    Bangladeshi tfr is 2.2 in BD but 4.4 in India.
    Pakistani illegal migration is starting, so w/e

    I value my foreskin so I'll die fighting.
    I suspect you'll convert,
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  • @JohnnyWalker123
    The Inuit are an ethnic group that historically inhabited the frigid northern regions of America and Canada.

    Read more here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit

    The Inuit (pronounced /ˈɪnju.ɪt/; Inuktitut: ᐃᓄᐃᑦ, "the people"[7]) are a group of culturally similar indigenous peoples inhabiting the Arctic regions of Greenland, Canada and Alaska.[8] Inuit is a plural noun; the singular is Inuk.[7] The Inuit languages are part of the Eskimo-Aleut family.[9] Inuit Sign Language is a critically endangered language isolate spoken in Nunavut.[10]

    In the United States and Canada, the term "Eskimo" was commonly used to describe the Inuit and Alaska's Yupik and Iñupiat peoples. However, "Inuit" is not accepted as a term for the Yupik, and "Eskimo"[11] is the only term that includes Yupik, Iñupiat and Inuit. However, aboriginal peoples in Canada and Greenlandic Inuit view "Eskimo" as pejorative, and "Inuit" is more commonly used in self-reference for these groups.[12][13] In Canada, sections 25 and 35 of the Constitution Act of 1982 classified the Inuit as a distinctive group of Aboriginal Canadians who are not included under either the First Nations or the Métis.[14]

    The Inuit live throughout most of Northern Canada in the territory of Nunavut, Nunavik in the northern third of Quebec, Nunatsiavut and NunatuKavut in Labrador, and in various parts of the Northwest Territories, particularly around the Arctic Ocean. These areas are known in Inuktitut as the "Inuit Nunangat".[15][16]

    In the United States, the Iñupiat live primarily on the Alaska North Slope and on Little Diomede Island.

     

    In Canada, the Inuit form a relatively sizeable percentage of the local population. Here are some stats for the Inuit.

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/89-656-x/89-656-x2016017-eng.htm

    -59.7% of Canadian Inuit have no certificate, diploma or degree. For the rest of the Canadian population, the proportion was only 5.1%.
    -For those in the 25 to 64 age range, the Inuit employment rate was 53.9%. For other Canadians, the employment rate was 92.7%.
    -Inuits are about 6x more likely to be incarcerated than other Canadians.

    Inuits are an example of a low-achieving population from a frigidly cold environment.

    Cold climate theory is for those people who face changing climates through out the year. Inuit are too far North. Every scholar who discusses the cold climate theory will discuss the exception of Inuit, Siberians etc… because they do not face the changing 4 seasons of Northern Euros and North East Asian JKCs (Japanese, Koreans, Chinese).
    Besides I did read in some research paper that even though the Inuit and similar people are hunter gatherers, they are the most advanced of all hunter gatherers as far complexity of tools used and definitely used far more complicated tools than hunter gatherers of the tropics.

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    Cold climate theory is for those people who face changing climates through out the year. Inuit are too far North. Every scholar who discusses the cold climate theory will discuss the exception of Inuit, Siberians etc… because they do not face the changing 4 seasons of Northern Euros and North East Asian JKCs (Japanese, Koreans, Chinese).
     
    This is incorrect.

    Here's Inuit territory during the summer.

    https://twitter.com/HeidiNicole3299/status/945717492810485761

    Here's Siberia territory during the summer.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHCSjKd6Qbo
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  • @Ron Unz

    So your ‘point’ is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they ‘don’t really mean it’?
     
    Well, this "Thomm" fellow claims to be a native-born white American. But based on the peculiar language and skewed content of his comments, I was 90% sure he was actually a foreign immigrant, and about 60% sure he was a Hindu.

    However, I'd now say I'm 85% sure he's a Hindu. He's actually so ignorant of American history and society that he assumes that 19th century American *political cartoons* actually reflected the scientific beliefs of 19th century American scholars. So if newspaper cartoons portrayed Irish immigrants as subhuman apes and savages then that was the official view of American scientists.

    I think the Hindus are one of the very few peoples in the world that regard a large fraction of their fellow Hindus as basically being sub-human, so he's ignorantly extrapolating the attitudes of his own society to those of 19th century America. I simply can't imagine any anyone growing up in America, white or not and no matter how ultra-PC his education, believing something so ridiculous about the Irish.

    I think he'd be much happier going off to some other website and trying to fool people there.

    I think the Hindus are one of the very few peoples in the world that regard a large fraction of their fellow Hindus as basically being sub-human, so he’s ignorantly extrapolating the attitudes of his own society to those of 19th century America.

    Agreed, his attitude towards White trash reeks of Hindu attitude towards Lower castes.

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  • @JohnnyWalker123

    I have come across this data before but they seem just guesswork.

     

    The study was done by an Emeritus professor who studied at Cambridge, McGill, and Johns Hopkins. He actually became head of the OECD Economics Divsion for many years. He's done quite a bit of research and publishing as an economic historian. He seems like a fairly reputable source.

    Perhaps his numbers are off, but are there any better estimates out there?

    Secondly before the industrial revolution, in the agricultural age, India did well because of have some of the best productive land in the world.

     

    Large-scale agriculture isn't as simple as you portray. It takes complex social and economic systems to support this type of activity. If you look at India's civilizational accomplishments and output, they really were no slouches for most of human history.

    The relevant point is that for much of history, India was economically keeping pace pretty well with China and now it's not. I find that interesting.

    Post Industrial revolution, the productivity of people matter more than productivity of land. And thus Northern Euros and North East Asians (cold climate folks) have an advantage in the post industrial revolution technological world.

     

    First of all, the productivity of the land is dependent on the productivity of the people.

    Second of all, your theory on "cold climate folks" is contradicted by reality.

    Much of China, especially southeastern China, is humid and subtropical in climate. Interestingly, it's this southeastern region that was historically a center of commerce, trade, and high economic output. The southeastern region also was academically the strongest region of China, which resulted in the northern provinces being given affirmative action quotas in China's bureaucratic exams. As China has transitioned from Communism back into a market economy, the southeast has flourished more than other parts of the country. Almost the entire Chinese diaspora, which is extremely successful, comes from the southeast.

    If "cold weather folks" were evolved to be naturally dominant, southeastern Chinese wouldn't be so academically and economically competitive.

    There are examples of "cold weather folks" without much economic or academic dynamicism. For example, the indigenous peoples of Russia's far east. Another example is Central Asia. A third example is Mongolia. A fourth example is the native populations of North America.

    Are the "cold weather folks" of Eastern Europe smarter than Western Europeans?

    Wasn't the Western half of the Roman Empire destroyed by "cold weather folks" from northern Europe? Didn't the warm-weather Eastern half of the Roman Empire thrive for centuries more after that?

    What about Carthage? Athens? Ancient Eygpt? Bablyon? Sumeria? Persia? Indus Valley? Mayas? Incas? Aztecs? Nubian? Phoenicia? Were these "warm weather folks" stupid?

    Southern India is the center of India's booming software industry and has a higher HDI than the languishing northern Indian tates. In your country, the "cold weather folks" are losing to the "warm-weather folks."

    No offense, but you seem to be wrong about a lot of topics.

    Even Lee Kuan Yew, the guy who built up Singapore believed in the Cold climate theory.

    In 1993, Lee wrote an article for The Economist in which he speculated on the state of the world in the twenty-first century, with special emphasis on Asia. Lee put his own views into the mouth of a fictional Chinese Singaporean, Wang Chang, who then discussed his views with his friend, Ali Alkaff. Lee painted a picture of a prosperous twenty-first century East Asian industrial belt consisting of
    Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and coastal China, while South and South East Asia (except for Singapore) languished by comparison.Singapore, although geographically part Of South East Asia, was economically on a par with the more prosperous East Asian region.
    In the subsequent “discussion” of these predictions, “Wang Chang” made it clear that race was a factor in his assessment, since he based his forecasting “on a people’s culture, heredity and organisational strengths.” A few years earlier, Lee used his 1989 National Day Rally address to defend the
    Government’s programme of encouraging Chinese immigration from Hong Kong on the basis that the birth rate of Singapore’s Chinese is lower than that of the Indians and Malays. The numerical preponderance of the Chinese must be maintained, said Lee, “or there will be a shift in the economy, both the economic performance and the political backdrop which makes that economic performance possible.” Lee enumerated several reasons why maintaining the Chinese proportion of the population at current levels was necessary for economic prosperity – including the “culture” and “nature” of the Chinese.

    On 27 December 1967, when Lee addressed a meeting at the University of Singapore he was blatently talking about the inherent, genetic, strength and weakness of the different races. The emphasis that Lee has placed on culture and race in economic development has varied over the years.
    Only 27 months after Lee argued that race is the “X-factor” in development, Lee credited “ethnic factors” with being one of the variables in economic development.
    According to Mr. Lee Cold adapted North East Asians would always dominate the more warm adapted South East Asians and South Asians.

    Central to the thesis propounded by Toynbee in A Study of History, was the notion that societies and civilisations develop in response to certain challenges. Toynbee argued that “civilizations come to birth in environments that are unusually difficult and not unusually easy.” The Sinic Civilisation, wrote Toynbee, was nurtured in the north of China, where the climate was severe, and swamps and regular floods made agriculture difficult, and so it became a “hard” society. Conversely, societies that were nurtured in easy environments, without challenges from people or nature are inherently weak. Toynbee’s lesson was of the importance of the challenge of climate and more generally, of the environment,whereby those people whose civilisations grew in the “soft” life of the tropics were left behind by their hardier cousins in harsher climates. Lee has taken Toynbee’s arguments and used them to justify a dismissive attitude towards the Malayan and Indian Cultures. With a harsh climate go many challenges which develop a plethora of cultural and racial characteristics in a people.
    In 1965, in an interview on Australian television, Lee discussed the differences between the Malays and the Chinese in Malaysia: “One is the product of a civilisation which has gone through all its ups and downs, of floods and famine and pestilence, breeding a people with very intense culture, with a belief in high performance in sustained effort, in thrift and industry. And the other people. more fortunately endowed by nature, with warm sunshine and bananas and coconuts, and therefore not
    with the same need to strive so hard. Now, these two societies really move at two different speeds. It’s like the difference between a high- revolution engine and a
    low-revolution engine. I’m not saying that one is better or less good than the other.
    But I’m just stating a fact that one was the product of another environment another
    history, another civilisation, and the other is a product of another different climate,
    different history.”
    Lee found an unwitting ally for his views in the
    Scandinavian social scientist, Gunnar Myrdal. The connection was made by Lee himself in his 1971 commemorative lecture at his old college at Cambridge University, in which he argued this case at length: “It is in part the difference between the more intense and exacting Sinic cultures of East Asia and the less demanding values of Hindu culture of South and South-east Asia, that accounts for the difference in industrial progress between Eastern and Southern Asia. The softer and more benign
    Hindu civilisation spread through Burma, Thailand, Laos and Cambodia, meeting the
    Sinic civilisation on the borders of Vietnam….
    Gunnar Myrdal, in his “Asian Drama” voluminously sets out the reasons for lower achievements amongst these peoples [of South and South-cast Asia]. He terms them “soft societies.” Their expectations and desire for achievement are lower. Had he studied the Sinic civilisations of East Asia – Korea, Japan, China and Vietnam – he would have come to the opposite conclusions, that these were hard societies.

    Early in 1967, Lee expounded his views on the stultifying effects of living in the tropics. “You can go along the Equator or 2 degrees north of it, and they all sleep after half past two if they have had a good meal. They do! Otherwise they must die earlier. It is only in Singapore that they don’t. “

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    I have come across this data before but they seem just guesswork.

     

    The study was done by an Emeritus professor who studied at Cambridge, McGill, and Johns Hopkins. He actually became head of the OECD Economics Divsion for many years. He's done quite a bit of research and publishing as an economic historian. He seems like a fairly reputable source.

    Perhaps his numbers are off, but are there any better estimates out there?

    Secondly before the industrial revolution, in the agricultural age, India did well because of have some of the best productive land in the world.

     

    Large-scale agriculture isn't as simple as you portray. It takes complex social and economic systems to support this type of activity. If you look at India's civilizational accomplishments and output, they really were no slouches for most of human history.

    The relevant point is that for much of history, India was economically keeping pace pretty well with China and now it's not. I find that interesting.

    Post Industrial revolution, the productivity of people matter more than productivity of land. And thus Northern Euros and North East Asians (cold climate folks) have an advantage in the post industrial revolution technological world.

     

    First of all, the productivity of the land is dependent on the productivity of the people.

    Second of all, your theory on "cold climate folks" is contradicted by reality.

    Much of China, especially southeastern China, is humid and subtropical in climate. Interestingly, it's this southeastern region that was historically a center of commerce, trade, and high economic output. The southeastern region also was academically the strongest region of China, which resulted in the northern provinces being given affirmative action quotas in China's bureaucratic exams. As China has transitioned from Communism back into a market economy, the southeast has flourished more than other parts of the country. Almost the entire Chinese diaspora, which is extremely successful, comes from the southeast.

    If "cold weather folks" were evolved to be naturally dominant, southeastern Chinese wouldn't be so academically and economically competitive.

    There are examples of "cold weather folks" without much economic or academic dynamicism. For example, the indigenous peoples of Russia's far east. Another example is Central Asia. A third example is Mongolia. A fourth example is the native populations of North America.

    Are the "cold weather folks" of Eastern Europe smarter than Western Europeans?

    Wasn't the Western half of the Roman Empire destroyed by "cold weather folks" from northern Europe? Didn't the warm-weather Eastern half of the Roman Empire thrive for centuries more after that?

    What about Carthage? Athens? Ancient Eygpt? Bablyon? Sumeria? Persia? Indus Valley? Mayas? Incas? Aztecs? Nubian? Phoenicia? Were these "warm weather folks" stupid?

    Southern India is the center of India's booming software industry and has a higher HDI than the languishing northern Indian tates. In your country, the "cold weather folks" are losing to the "warm-weather folks."

    No offense, but you seem to be wrong about a lot of topics.

    I am reposting this from a different webpage

    Agricultural societies were low efficiency/ low productivity societies as compared to post Industrial revolution societies. You could be a population with a high IQ with many other positive traits but if you live in a land where due to geological or climatic reasons, there are limitations in food production, you are going to be at a disadvantage over medium IQ populations who live in places where due to various reasons, it is more conducive for growing a huge amount of grain. More grain, more population. And a greater population whose labour to support a population of scholars and artists. Scholars and artists can in one way be considered ornaments of a civilization, a civilization will only channelize resources to such things only if they have an excess of resources, which in those days meant mostly food. People who are busy trying to fill their stomach will not have time to write high philosophy or create high art. All living beings have to fulfill their basic needs first. You must be aware of the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.
    The Danes of 1600 would have had more IQ than the Turk, but the Turks grew more grain, had more access to resources/wealth in the pre industrial age. But after the industrial revolution, the Danes would have an advantage over the Turks as they posses genetic qualities which are more suitable for an industrial/technological society.

    For example a country like Scotland which is more mountainous is less conducive for growing grain than say England. That is what traditionally Scotland had less population than England but also it’s economy was smaller than England. Similarly England is fertile land but it cannot compete with the Ganges in food production due to a number of reason. The Emperor of India like say Mughal Emperor Akbar would have more grain growing in his realm, being at the top, he would have more wealth/resources at his disposal than say the King of England. He had the liberty to channel a part of this wealth to philosophers/artists and he had more of it.
    Similarly Japan is mostly mountainous land. Compared to the land of China, the grain growing potential is lower in Japan, the Japanese Emperor would have less wealth/ resources at his disposal than the Emperor of China.

    But after the Industrial revolution, all that changed. The productivity of the land was of less importance, the productivity of the people mattered. Compared to the agricultural societies of the past, Industrial societies are much more efficient and small differences in traits in the human population could make a big difference in social and economical outcomes. With improvements in shipping technology, raw material could be transported from any part of the world easily with transportation costs falling with improvements in technology. Those raw material could be processed by your high IQ, high productivity labour and thus wealth created at a faster rate than agricultural societies. In other words, you can become quite independent of the quality of your land when it comes to wealth creation but you are now very dependent on the quality of your people. It is in the post Industrial revolution society, that populations with higher IQs and other positive traits could express their advantage over those populations who posses less of their traits, the most. It is in the more efficient post industrial revolution era that differences in various traits in human populations would get magnified in it’s effect on the social and economic outcomes of a country. In the agricultural era, it was not so.

    You could have very high IQ a thousand years ago, but if you live in Siberia, you will still be poorer than a medium IQ population living on the banks of the Nile. That medium IQ population had the ability to grow more grain and hence had a higher Malthusian limit and thus grow it’s population more than the Siberian population. With such a huge labour force, grain and wealth available at their disposal, the Nile population’s elites would have the liberty to channel excess populations, wealth and grain to artistic and philosophical pursuits. While the Siberian population has a higher IQ but most of it’s population would be busy in growing/ hunting food to think much about philosophy and arts. Their art and philosophy would remain more rudimentary. Since they would have a high IQ, it is likely they would innovate techniques to catch food faster/ grow more food in the harsh conditions they live in. But they would never be able to grow the volumes of grain that the Nile population would.

    That is why I think, comparisons of achievements of populations should start with the post Industrial revolution age.

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    The Danes of 1600 would have had more IQ than the Turk, but the Turks grew more grain, had more access to resources/wealth in the pre industrial age. But after the industrial revolution, the Danes would have an advantage over the Turks as they posses genetic qualities which are more suitable for an industrial/technological society.
     
    The Germanics who invaded the Roman Empire didn't demonstrate stronger cognitive abilities than inhabitants of warm weather Rome. In both China and India, the invaders have come from the north, but it's the southern regions that demonstrate the most economic dynamism today. In Europe, the cold-weather Eastern European nations don't demonstrate more economic or technological progress than the warm-weather nations of Western Europe.

    It's incorrect to assert that cold-weather people consistently achieve greater prosperity than the indigenous inhabitants of warm-weather regions.

    You could have very high IQ a thousand years ago, but if you live in Siberia, you will still be poorer than a medium IQ population living on the banks of the Nile. That medium IQ population had the ability to grow more grain and hence had a higher Malthusian limit and thus grow it’s population more than the Siberian population. With such a huge labour force, grain and wealth available at their disposal, the Nile population’s elites would have the liberty to channel excess populations, wealth and grain to artistic and philosophical pursuits. While the Siberian population has a higher IQ but most of it’s population would be busy in growing/ hunting food to think much about philosophy and arts. Their art and philosophy would remain more rudimentary. Since they would have a high IQ, it is likely they would innovate techniques to catch food faster/ grow more food in the harsh conditions they live in. But they would never be able to grow the volumes of grain that the Nile population would.
     
    In today's Russian, the indigenous peoples of Siberia have twice the national poverty rate and one-half the national income. Your theory is refuted by the existence of this population. Your theory is also refuted by the low achivement of the cold-weather northern indigenous peoples of America and Canada.

    It's incorrect to assert that there's a consistent pattern of cold-weather peoples succeeding in technologically-oriented market economies.
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  • @JohnnyWalker123

    I have come across this data before but they seem just guesswork.

     

    The study was done by an Emeritus professor who studied at Cambridge, McGill, and Johns Hopkins. He actually became head of the OECD Economics Divsion for many years. He's done quite a bit of research and publishing as an economic historian. He seems like a fairly reputable source.

    Perhaps his numbers are off, but are there any better estimates out there?

    Secondly before the industrial revolution, in the agricultural age, India did well because of have some of the best productive land in the world.

     

    Large-scale agriculture isn't as simple as you portray. It takes complex social and economic systems to support this type of activity. If you look at India's civilizational accomplishments and output, they really were no slouches for most of human history.

    The relevant point is that for much of history, India was economically keeping pace pretty well with China and now it's not. I find that interesting.

    Post Industrial revolution, the productivity of people matter more than productivity of land. And thus Northern Euros and North East Asians (cold climate folks) have an advantage in the post industrial revolution technological world.

     

    First of all, the productivity of the land is dependent on the productivity of the people.

    Second of all, your theory on "cold climate folks" is contradicted by reality.

    Much of China, especially southeastern China, is humid and subtropical in climate. Interestingly, it's this southeastern region that was historically a center of commerce, trade, and high economic output. The southeastern region also was academically the strongest region of China, which resulted in the northern provinces being given affirmative action quotas in China's bureaucratic exams. As China has transitioned from Communism back into a market economy, the southeast has flourished more than other parts of the country. Almost the entire Chinese diaspora, which is extremely successful, comes from the southeast.

    If "cold weather folks" were evolved to be naturally dominant, southeastern Chinese wouldn't be so academically and economically competitive.

    There are examples of "cold weather folks" without much economic or academic dynamicism. For example, the indigenous peoples of Russia's far east. Another example is Central Asia. A third example is Mongolia. A fourth example is the native populations of North America.

    Are the "cold weather folks" of Eastern Europe smarter than Western Europeans?

    Wasn't the Western half of the Roman Empire destroyed by "cold weather folks" from northern Europe? Didn't the warm-weather Eastern half of the Roman Empire thrive for centuries more after that?

    What about Carthage? Athens? Ancient Eygpt? Bablyon? Sumeria? Persia? Indus Valley? Mayas? Incas? Aztecs? Nubian? Phoenicia? Were these "warm weather folks" stupid?

    Southern India is the center of India's booming software industry and has a higher HDI than the languishing northern Indian tates. In your country, the "cold weather folks" are losing to the "warm-weather folks."

    No offense, but you seem to be wrong about a lot of topics.

    Perhaps his numbers are off, but are there any better estimates out there?

    It is very hard to come up with any estimates in that period as far as over all GDP is concerned. Explain please how would one calculate the GDP of Africa or South America in 500 AD.

    First of all, the productivity of the land is dependent on the productivity of the people.

    You got it wrong. You can have the most productive people in the world but if they live in the middle of the desert, it is not much use. You could have a low productive people on fertile land and get a higher harvest, thus higher malthusian limit, more wealth.
    It is only in the industrial revolution that you have a level playing field.

    Second of all, your theory on “cold climate folks” is contradicted by reality.

    No it is not

    Much of China, especially southeastern China, is humid and subtropical in climate. Interestingly, it’s this southeastern region that was historically a center of commerce, trade, and high economic output. The southeastern region also was academically the strongest region of China, which resulted in the northern provinces being given affirmative action quotas in China’s bureaucratic exams. As China has transitioned from Communism back into a market economy, the southeast has flourished more than other parts of the country. Almost the entire Chinese diaspora, which is extremely successful, comes from the southeast.

    Hmmm could this have to do anything with access the sea?
    Southern China is one of those exception cases.

    Wasn’t the Western half of the Roman Empire destroyed by “cold weather folks” from northern Europe? Didn’t the warm-weather Eastern half of the Roman Empire thrive for centuries more after that?

    The Germanic Ostrogoths rebuilt civilization in the Italian peninsula, something even Belisaruis of the Byzantine army observed. The Roman empire was collapsing irrespective of the Germanic invasions and may be multiculturalism played a part in it.

    Southern India is the center of India’s booming software industry and has a higher HDI than the languishing northern Indian tates.

    The Indian software industry is a hype. There is hardly much innovation in our software industry. It is just coolie labour.

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    It is very hard to come up with any estimates in that period as far as over all GDP is concerned. Explain please how would one calculate the GDP of Africa or South America in 500 AD.

     

    Based off historical records on population, trade, construction, agricultural production, nutritional consumption, and living conditions.

    How do we write history books on empires that passed thousands of years ago?

    History didn't just begin after the Industrial Revolution.

    You got it wrong. You can have the most productive people in the world but if they live in the middle of the desert, it is not much use. You could have a low productive people on fertile land and get a higher harvest, thus higher malthusian limit, more wealth.
    It is only in the industrial revolution that you have a level playing field.
     
    If you look at India's intellectual and cultural output, they really were no slouches. For example, they invented Arabic-Hindu numerals, various monuments (Taj Mahal, temples, etc), and several major world religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism). You can make the case that Indian civilization was one of the world's leading until the 1800s.


    Hmmm could this have to do anything with access the sea?
    Southern China is one of those exception cases.

     

    Southern China was also extremely strong in producing successful exam takers for the Imperial bureaucracy. Much stronger, per capita, than Northern China. What does this have to do with the sea?

    The Germanic Ostrogoths rebuilt civilization in the Italian peninsula, something even Belisaruis of the Byzantine army observed.

     

    The Germanic invasion ushered in the Dark Ages, which was a 1000-year period of relative cultural stagnation for Europe. It wasn't until the Renaissance when Europe finally rebounded.

    The Roman empire was collapsing irrespective of the Germanic invasions and may be multiculturalism played a part in it.

     

    The Roman Empire collapsed because it was looted and destroyed by Germanic tribes. Before this, the western half of Rome had experienced long-term weakening due to falling agricultural production, political corruption, and persistent trade deficits. The eastern half of Rome, which was populated primarily by Meditteranean peoples, survived for nearly 1,000 more years.

    The Indian software industry is a hype. There is hardly much innovation in our software industry. It is just coolie labour.

     

    Assuming this is even correct, that doesn't refute my point. Southern India is more more affluent, better educated, and technologically advanced than Northern India. Better to be a software coolie than an agricultural coolie.
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  • The Inuit are an ethnic group that historically inhabited the frigid northern regions of America and Canada.

    Read more here.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit

    The Inuit (pronounced /ˈɪnju.ɪt/; Inuktitut: ᐃᓄᐃᑦ, “the people”[7]) are a group of culturally similar indigenous peoples inhabiting the Arctic regions of Greenland, Canada and Alaska.[8] Inuit is a plural noun; the singular is Inuk.[7] The Inuit languages are part of the Eskimo-Aleut family.[9] Inuit Sign Language is a critically endangered language isolate spoken in Nunavut.[10]

    In the United States and Canada, the term “Eskimo” was commonly used to describe the Inuit and Alaska’s Yupik and Iñupiat peoples. However, “Inuit” is not accepted as a term for the Yupik, and “Eskimo”[11] is the only term that includes Yupik, Iñupiat and Inuit. However, aboriginal peoples in Canada and Greenlandic Inuit view “Eskimo” as pejorative, and “Inuit” is more commonly used in self-reference for these groups.[12][13] In Canada, sections 25 and 35 of the Constitution Act of 1982 classified the Inuit as a distinctive group of Aboriginal Canadians who are not included under either the First Nations or the Métis.[14]

    The Inuit live throughout most of Northern Canada in the territory of Nunavut, Nunavik in the northern third of Quebec, Nunatsiavut and NunatuKavut in Labrador, and in various parts of the Northwest Territories, particularly around the Arctic Ocean. These areas are known in Inuktitut as the “Inuit Nunangat”.[15][16]

    In the United States, the Iñupiat live primarily on the Alaska North Slope and on Little Diomede Island.

    In Canada, the Inuit form a relatively sizeable percentage of the local population. Here are some stats for the Inuit.

    http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/89-656-x/89-656-x2016017-eng.htm

    -59.7% of Canadian Inuit have no certificate, diploma or degree. For the rest of the Canadian population, the proportion was only 5.1%.
    -For those in the 25 to 64 age range, the Inuit employment rate was 53.9%. For other Canadians, the employment rate was 92.7%.
    -Inuits are about 6x more likely to be incarcerated than other Canadians.

    Inuits are an example of a low-achieving population from a frigidly cold environment.

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    Cold climate theory is for those people who face changing climates through out the year. Inuit are too far North. Every scholar who discusses the cold climate theory will discuss the exception of Inuit, Siberians etc... because they do not face the changing 4 seasons of Northern Euros and North East Asian JKCs (Japanese, Koreans, Chinese).
    Besides I did read in some research paper that even though the Inuit and similar people are hunter gatherers, they are the most advanced of all hunter gatherers as far complexity of tools used and definitely used far more complicated tools than hunter gatherers of the tropics.
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  • @Truth

    So your ‘point’ is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they ‘don’t really mean it’?

    You can’t be serious.
     

    LOL; I have your back on this one Thomm.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0hK1wyrrAU

    LOL; I have your back on this one Thomm.

    It is amazing the lengths Ron Unz will go to in order to pretend that the Irish were never the subject of extreme racism in America (even to the extent of being likened to apes).

    It is one thing when a 70-IQ White Nationalist does it. It is another when Ron Unz :

    a) pretends that he did not know this.
    b) ignores the links I provide from multiple sources. Some are drawings from major publications (NOT cartoons), others are historical accounts.

    His only answer is “Oh, he must be Indian, which must mean he thinks X, which leads to Y”. What a pretzel* of denial he has twisted himself into.

    *Indians don’t use ‘pretzel’ as a metaphor, muchacho**
    ** Indians don’t say ‘muchacho’

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    What kind of crack cocaine do you or people like you smoke? Must be getting some crazy visions.

    Ok so these people are not White?

    http://www.turinitalyguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Turin-Irish-Festival-crowd-of-people-at-St.-Patricks-Day-Festival-in-Dublin.jpg

    http://www.irishrugby.ie/images/news/inpho_01098065_rdax_648x365_80.jpg

    How are they not White???? What kind of crack does one smoke to believe they are not White?

    Now because they joined the evil YTs and they became White by becoming racist or something like that according to noel ignatiev.

    These below too can become White

    Blacks can become White

    http://jamaica-gleaner.com/sites/default/files/styles/jg_article_image/public/article_images/2014/07/20/brazilvsgermanym20140708jb.jpg?itok=ZmFYZBov

    Indians can also become White

    https://s3.ap-southeast-1.amazonaws.com/images.deccanchronicle.com/dc-Cover-v3ocj6vff0pbi65q300ibg0a17-20170522021722.Medi.jpeg

    Arabs can also become White

    http://jordan.unfpa.org/sites/default/files/styles/topics_thumb/public/topics/Screen%20Shot%202016-04-15%20at%204.29.19%20PM.png?itok=mlxUtTZC

    Seriously what is this Thomm or ignatiev guy smoking??? Suspension of simple common sense. You know what the problem with the Western World is today? That the people of the West did not put noel ignatiev in a mental asylum and let him be a professor in a University. The crazies are running the universities and other crazies are believing the non sense. The West is turning into a crack house.
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  • @Ron Unz

    So your ‘point’ is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they ‘don’t really mean it’?
     
    Well, this "Thomm" fellow claims to be a native-born white American. But based on the peculiar language and skewed content of his comments, I was 90% sure he was actually a foreign immigrant, and about 60% sure he was a Hindu.

    However, I'd now say I'm 85% sure he's a Hindu. He's actually so ignorant of American history and society that he assumes that 19th century American *political cartoons* actually reflected the scientific beliefs of 19th century American scholars. So if newspaper cartoons portrayed Irish immigrants as subhuman apes and savages then that was the official view of American scientists.

    I think the Hindus are one of the very few peoples in the world that regard a large fraction of their fellow Hindus as basically being sub-human, so he's ignorantly extrapolating the attitudes of his own society to those of 19th century America. I simply can't imagine any anyone growing up in America, white or not and no matter how ultra-PC his education, believing something so ridiculous about the Irish.

    I think he'd be much happier going off to some other website and trying to fool people there.

    Your rebuttals get weaker and weaker. The drawings I posted are not ‘political cartoons’, but were actually pushed as fact in the New York Times and Harpers.

    More links about how the Irish were considered ‘non-white’ at best and apes at worst :

    https://www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754

    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/01/28/irish-apes-tactics-of-de-humanization/

    Keep ignoring these links. It is funny how quickly even Ron Unz descended into a ‘La la la I can’t hear you’ level of immature denialism.

    But based on the peculiar language

    Like what? I notice that you are unable to provide examples.

    I simply can’t imagine any anyone growing up in America, white or not and no matter how ultra-PC his education, believing something so ridiculous about the Irish.

    Except that it is a fact that a simple Google search will confirm from you. The Irish were heavily discriminated against in America. That Ron Unz is trying to deny this makes one question how much he really knows about American history. Apparently, he knows very little, which is why his preposterous attempt to paint me as an Indian is really just projection of his own ignorance.

    Anyway, the horrid discrimination against the Irish in 19th century America is not a secret, even if Ron Unz continues to engage in ‘La la la I can’t hear you’ avoidance.

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  • @Thomm

    One more time. National and religious animosities can lead to extreme insults
     
    So your 'point' is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they 'don't really mean it'?

    You can't be serious.

    Plus, you are glossing over the violence towards Irish immigrants. The film 'Gangs of New York' is but one portrayal of this.

    There is no doubt that in the 19th century and all the way up to perhaps 1914, the Irish in America were mistreated and widely portrayed as sub-humans. You ought to be against this.

    So your ‘point’ is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they ‘don’t really mean it’?

    You can’t be serious.

    LOL; I have your back on this one Thomm.

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    LOL; I have your back on this one Thomm.
     
    It is amazing the lengths Ron Unz will go to in order to pretend that the Irish were never the subject of extreme racism in America (even to the extent of being likened to apes).

    It is one thing when a 70-IQ White Nationalist does it. It is another when Ron Unz :

    a) pretends that he did not know this.
    b) ignores the links I provide from multiple sources. Some are drawings from major publications (NOT cartoons), others are historical accounts.

    His only answer is "Oh, he must be Indian, which must mean he thinks X, which leads to Y". What a pretzel* of denial he has twisted himself into.

    *Indians don't use 'pretzel' as a metaphor, muchacho**
    ** Indians don't say 'muchacho'

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  • @Malla
    I have come across this data before but they seem just guesswork.

    I mean to get a percentage you have to calculate the whole or the entire global economy. How does one calculate the GDP of Africa in say 1 AD or 1000 AD or even 1500 AD? And if you cannot calculate that you cannot calculate the Global GDP as African GDP would be part of the global GDP and since you cannot do that, you cannot get percentages.
    It is possible to calculate per capita income much more accurately in the past but not overall GDP.

    Secondly before the industrial revolution, in the agricultural age, India did well because of have some of the best productive land in the world. Post Industrial revolution, the productivity of people matter more than productivity of land. And thus Northern Euros and North East Asians (cold climate folks) have an advantage in the post industrial revolution technological world.

    I have come across this data before but they seem just guesswork.

    The study was done by an Emeritus professor who studied at Cambridge, McGill, and Johns Hopkins. He actually became head of the OECD Economics Divsion for many years. He’s done quite a bit of research and publishing as an economic historian. He seems like a fairly reputable source.

    Perhaps his numbers are off, but are there any better estimates out there?

    Secondly before the industrial revolution, in the agricultural age, India did well because of have some of the best productive land in the world.

    Large-scale agriculture isn’t as simple as you portray. It takes complex social and economic systems to support this type of activity. If you look at India’s civilizational accomplishments and output, they really were no slouches for most of human history.

    The relevant point is that for much of history, India was economically keeping pace pretty well with China and now it’s not. I find that interesting.

    Post Industrial revolution, the productivity of people matter more than productivity of land. And thus Northern Euros and North East Asians (cold climate folks) have an advantage in the post industrial revolution technological world.

    First of all, the productivity of the land is dependent on the productivity of the people.

    Second of all, your theory on “cold climate folks” is contradicted by reality.

    Much of China, especially southeastern China, is humid and subtropical in climate. Interestingly, it’s this southeastern region that was historically a center of commerce, trade, and high economic output. The southeastern region also was academically the strongest region of China, which resulted in the northern provinces being given affirmative action quotas in China’s bureaucratic exams. As China has transitioned from Communism back into a market economy, the southeast has flourished more than other parts of the country. Almost the entire Chinese diaspora, which is extremely successful, comes from the southeast.

    If “cold weather folks” were evolved to be naturally dominant, southeastern Chinese wouldn’t be so academically and economically competitive.

    There are examples of “cold weather folks” without much economic or academic dynamicism. For example, the indigenous peoples of Russia’s far east. Another example is Central Asia. A third example is Mongolia. A fourth example is the native populations of North America.

    Are the “cold weather folks” of Eastern Europe smarter than Western Europeans?

    Wasn’t the Western half of the Roman Empire destroyed by “cold weather folks” from northern Europe? Didn’t the warm-weather Eastern half of the Roman Empire thrive for centuries more after that?

    What about Carthage? Athens? Ancient Eygpt? Bablyon? Sumeria? Persia? Indus Valley? Mayas? Incas? Aztecs? Nubian? Phoenicia? Were these “warm weather folks” stupid?

    Southern India is the center of India’s booming software industry and has a higher HDI than the languishing northern Indian tates. In your country, the “cold weather folks” are losing to the “warm-weather folks.”

    No offense, but you seem to be wrong about a lot of topics.

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    Perhaps his numbers are off, but are there any better estimates out there?
     
    It is very hard to come up with any estimates in that period as far as over all GDP is concerned. Explain please how would one calculate the GDP of Africa or South America in 500 AD.

    First of all, the productivity of the land is dependent on the productivity of the people.
     
    You got it wrong. You can have the most productive people in the world but if they live in the middle of the desert, it is not much use. You could have a low productive people on fertile land and get a higher harvest, thus higher malthusian limit, more wealth.
    It is only in the industrial revolution that you have a level playing field.

    Second of all, your theory on “cold climate folks” is contradicted by reality.
     
    No it is not

    Much of China, especially southeastern China, is humid and subtropical in climate. Interestingly, it’s this southeastern region that was historically a center of commerce, trade, and high economic output. The southeastern region also was academically the strongest region of China, which resulted in the northern provinces being given affirmative action quotas in China’s bureaucratic exams. As China has transitioned from Communism back into a market economy, the southeast has flourished more than other parts of the country. Almost the entire Chinese diaspora, which is extremely successful, comes from the southeast.
     
    Hmmm could this have to do anything with access the sea?
    Southern China is one of those exception cases.

    Wasn’t the Western half of the Roman Empire destroyed by “cold weather folks” from northern Europe? Didn’t the warm-weather Eastern half of the Roman Empire thrive for centuries more after that?
     
    The Germanic Ostrogoths rebuilt civilization in the Italian peninsula, something even Belisaruis of the Byzantine army observed. The Roman empire was collapsing irrespective of the Germanic invasions and may be multiculturalism played a part in it.

    Southern India is the center of India’s booming software industry and has a higher HDI than the languishing northern Indian tates.
     
    The Indian software industry is a hype. There is hardly much innovation in our software industry. It is just coolie labour.
    , @Malla
    I am reposting this from a different webpage

    Agricultural societies were low efficiency/ low productivity societies as compared to post Industrial revolution societies. You could be a population with a high IQ with many other positive traits but if you live in a land where due to geological or climatic reasons, there are limitations in food production, you are going to be at a disadvantage over medium IQ populations who live in places where due to various reasons, it is more conducive for growing a huge amount of grain. More grain, more population. And a greater population whose labour to support a population of scholars and artists. Scholars and artists can in one way be considered ornaments of a civilization, a civilization will only channelize resources to such things only if they have an excess of resources, which in those days meant mostly food. People who are busy trying to fill their stomach will not have time to write high philosophy or create high art. All living beings have to fulfill their basic needs first. You must be aware of the Maslow’s hierarchy of needs.
    The Danes of 1600 would have had more IQ than the Turk, but the Turks grew more grain, had more access to resources/wealth in the pre industrial age. But after the industrial revolution, the Danes would have an advantage over the Turks as they posses genetic qualities which are more suitable for an industrial/technological society.

    For example a country like Scotland which is more mountainous is less conducive for growing grain than say England. That is what traditionally Scotland had less population than England but also it’s economy was smaller than England. Similarly England is fertile land but it cannot compete with the Ganges in food production due to a number of reason. The Emperor of India like say Mughal Emperor Akbar would have more grain growing in his realm, being at the top, he would have more wealth/resources at his disposal than say the King of England. He had the liberty to channel a part of this wealth to philosophers/artists and he had more of it.
    Similarly Japan is mostly mountainous land. Compared to the land of China, the grain growing potential is lower in Japan, the Japanese Emperor would have less wealth/ resources at his disposal than the Emperor of China.

    But after the Industrial revolution, all that changed. The productivity of the land was of less importance, the productivity of the people mattered. Compared to the agricultural societies of the past, Industrial societies are much more efficient and small differences in traits in the human population could make a big difference in social and economical outcomes. With improvements in shipping technology, raw material could be transported from any part of the world easily with transportation costs falling with improvements in technology. Those raw material could be processed by your high IQ, high productivity labour and thus wealth created at a faster rate than agricultural societies. In other words, you can become quite independent of the quality of your land when it comes to wealth creation but you are now very dependent on the quality of your people. It is in the post Industrial revolution society, that populations with higher IQs and other positive traits could express their advantage over those populations who posses less of their traits, the most. It is in the more efficient post industrial revolution era that differences in various traits in human populations would get magnified in it’s effect on the social and economic outcomes of a country. In the agricultural era, it was not so.

    You could have very high IQ a thousand years ago, but if you live in Siberia, you will still be poorer than a medium IQ population living on the banks of the Nile. That medium IQ population had the ability to grow more grain and hence had a higher Malthusian limit and thus grow it’s population more than the Siberian population. With such a huge labour force, grain and wealth available at their disposal, the Nile population’s elites would have the liberty to channel excess populations, wealth and grain to artistic and philosophical pursuits. While the Siberian population has a higher IQ but most of it’s population would be busy in growing/ hunting food to think much about philosophy and arts. Their art and philosophy would remain more rudimentary. Since they would have a high IQ, it is likely they would innovate techniques to catch food faster/ grow more food in the harsh conditions they live in. But they would never be able to grow the volumes of grain that the Nile population would.

    That is why I think, comparisons of achievements of populations should start with the post Industrial revolution age.
    , @Malla
    Even Lee Kuan Yew, the guy who built up Singapore believed in the Cold climate theory.

    In 1993, Lee wrote an article for The Economist in which he speculated on the state of the world in the twenty-first century, with special emphasis on Asia. Lee put his own views into the mouth of a fictional Chinese Singaporean, Wang Chang, who then discussed his views with his friend, Ali Alkaff. Lee painted a picture of a prosperous twenty-first century East Asian industrial belt consisting of
    Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and coastal China, while South and South East Asia (except for Singapore) languished by comparison.Singapore, although geographically part Of South East Asia, was economically on a par with the more prosperous East Asian region.
    In the subsequent "discussion" of these predictions, "Wang Chang" made it clear that race was a factor in his assessment, since he based his forecasting "on a people's culture, heredity and organisational strengths." A few years earlier, Lee used his 1989 National Day Rally address to defend the
    Government's programme of encouraging Chinese immigration from Hong Kong on the basis that the birth rate of Singapore's Chinese is lower than that of the Indians and Malays. The numerical preponderance of the Chinese must be maintained, said Lee, "or there will be a shift in the economy, both the economic performance and the political backdrop which makes that economic performance possible." Lee enumerated several reasons why maintaining the Chinese proportion of the population at current levels was necessary for economic prosperity - including the "culture" and "nature" of the Chinese.

    On 27 December 1967, when Lee addressed a meeting at the University of Singapore he was blatently talking about the inherent, genetic, strength and weakness of the different races. The emphasis that Lee has placed on culture and race in economic development has varied over the years.
    Only 27 months after Lee argued that race is the "X-factor" in development, Lee credited "ethnic factors" with being one of the variables in economic development.
    According to Mr. Lee Cold adapted North East Asians would always dominate the more warm adapted South East Asians and South Asians.

    Central to the thesis propounded by Toynbee in A Study of History, was the notion that societies and civilisations develop in response to certain challenges. Toynbee argued that "civilizations come to birth in environments that are unusually difficult and not unusually easy." The Sinic Civilisation, wrote Toynbee, was nurtured in the north of China, where the climate was severe, and swamps and regular floods made agriculture difficult, and so it became a "hard" society. Conversely, societies that were nurtured in easy environments, without challenges from people or nature are inherently weak. Toynbee's lesson was of the importance of the challenge of climate and more generally, of the environment,whereby those people whose civilisations grew in the "soft" life of the tropics were left behind by their hardier cousins in harsher climates. Lee has taken Toynbee's arguments and used them to justify a dismissive attitude towards the Malayan and Indian Cultures. With a harsh climate go many challenges which develop a plethora of cultural and racial characteristics in a people.
    In 1965, in an interview on Australian television, Lee discussed the differences between the Malays and the Chinese in Malaysia: "One is the product of a civilisation which has gone through all its ups and downs, of floods and famine and pestilence, breeding a people with very intense culture, with a belief in high performance in sustained effort, in thrift and industry. And the other people. more fortunately endowed by nature, with warm sunshine and bananas and coconuts, and therefore not
    with the same need to strive so hard. Now, these two societies really move at two different speeds. It's like the difference between a high- revolution engine and a
    low-revolution engine. I'm not saying that one is better or less good than the other.
    But I'm just stating a fact that one was the product of another environment another
    history, another civilisation, and the other is a product of another different climate,
    different history."
    Lee found an unwitting ally for his views in the
    Scandinavian social scientist, Gunnar Myrdal. The connection was made by Lee himself in his 1971 commemorative lecture at his old college at Cambridge University, in which he argued this case at length: "It is in part the difference between the more intense and exacting Sinic cultures of East Asia and the less demanding values of Hindu culture of South and South-east Asia, that accounts for the difference in industrial progress between Eastern and Southern Asia. The softer and more benign
    Hindu civilisation spread through Burma, Thailand, Laos and Cambodia, meeting the
    Sinic civilisation on the borders of Vietnam....
    Gunnar Myrdal, in his "Asian Drama" voluminously sets out the reasons for lower achievements amongst these peoples [of South and South-cast Asia]. He terms them "soft societies." Their expectations and desire for achievement are lower. Had he studied the Sinic civilisations of East Asia - Korea, Japan, China and Vietnam - he would have come to the opposite conclusions, that these were hard societies.

    Early in 1967, Lee expounded his views on the stultifying effects of living in the tropics. "You can go along the Equator or 2 degrees north of it, and they all sleep after half past two if they have had a good meal. They do! Otherwise they must die earlier. It is only in Singapore that they don't. "
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  • @JohnnyWalker123

    They are racially very similar. It is like Poles going to England. The government has built a Wall in between both the countries.

     

    The Bangladeshis are almost all Muslim by religion, while the Indians are largely Hindus. India actually fractured along religious lines in the 1940s, with the Indian Muslims forming independent nations in Pakistan and Bangladesh. During an internal civil war in the 1970s, large numbers of Hindus were ethnically cleansed from Bangladesh. So it's not completely accurate to say that Bangladeshis and Indians are "similar."

    Are Turks and Armenians "similar"?
    Are Albanians, Serbians, Croatians, and Bosnians "similar"?
    Are Spaniards and Catalonians "similar"?
    Are Russians and Ukranians "similar"?

    Many of the most fierce conflicts are between ethnic groups with a high degree of commonality.

    If Bangladeshi Muslims are flooding into mostly Hindu India, that's like Protestants flooding into a Catholic neighborhood in Belfast.

    Despite their ethnocentricism, India has an illegal immigration problem. Much of that is driven by the overpopulation and poverty of neighboring Bangladesh. So when you say that Indians wouldn't tolerate mass migration into their country, that's untrue.

    Yes, Spaniards and Catalans are “similar”. In fact the distinction within Catalonia is just as much a class distinction as anything else considering the mass importation of Andalusian laborers in the early 20th century.

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  • @Ron Unz

    Where do you come from? You show that tone-deafness of strangers in a strange land. You can know the textbook language and be totally unable to understand or speak in a normal way.
     
    Exactly! This ridiculous "Thomm" fellow is very obviously a foreigner, probably a Hindu immigrant, and pretending to be a "native-born white American"...but not doing a very good job of it!

    He showed up a few months ago, and endlessly rants and raves against "evil White Nationalists" in a rather crude and ignorant manner. Since so many of his comments are merely content-free rants, at some point, they'll no longer be published, and then maybe he'll go away and pretend to be a white American on some other website...

    Actually he doesn’t even claim to be a “native-born” American in those words; he claims, hilariously, to be “domestically born”. There’s got to be an award for that level of cluelessness.

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  • @Thomm

    I’ve got to give you credit, that’s a pretty good cop-out.
     
    It is not a cop-out, you retard. I was letting Ron Unz slide, since he is doing something I support (which is to actively undermine WN as a 'Divide and Conquer' Jew).

    That does not change the fact that both he and you are ignorant about the mistreatment of Irish immigrants in America.

    Ron Unz is actually doing pretty well bringing people together, as you and Truth can testify. Maybe he should run a dating site.

    Knock yourself out: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cop%20out

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  • @Malla

    There are something like 15-20 million Bangladeshi illegal aliens in India.
     
    They are racially very similar. It is like Poles going to England. The government has built a Wall in between both the countries.

    They are racially very similar. It is like Poles going to England. The government has built a Wall in between both the countries.

    The Bangladeshis are almost all Muslim by religion, while the Indians are largely Hindus. India actually fractured along religious lines in the 1940s, with the Indian Muslims forming independent nations in Pakistan and Bangladesh. During an internal civil war in the 1970s, large numbers of Hindus were ethnically cleansed from Bangladesh. So it’s not completely accurate to say that Bangladeshis and Indians are “similar.”

    Are Turks and Armenians “similar”?
    Are Albanians, Serbians, Croatians, and Bosnians “similar”?
    Are Spaniards and Catalonians “similar”?
    Are Russians and Ukranians “similar”?

    Many of the most fierce conflicts are between ethnic groups with a high degree of commonality.

    If Bangladeshi Muslims are flooding into mostly Hindu India, that’s like Protestants flooding into a Catholic neighborhood in Belfast.

    Despite their ethnocentricism, India has an illegal immigration problem. Much of that is driven by the overpopulation and poverty of neighboring Bangladesh. So when you say that Indians wouldn’t tolerate mass migration into their country, that’s untrue.

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    Yes, Spaniards and Catalans are "similar". In fact the distinction within Catalonia is just as much a class distinction as anything else considering the mass importation of Andalusian laborers in the early 20th century.
    , @Malla

    Many of the most fierce conflicts are between ethnic groups with a high degree of commonality.
     
    Agreed but in migration RACE matters the most. Populations who look more similar tend to behave the most similar to each other. Bangladeshis may be muslims but in behaviour and mannerisms they are very similar to Indians. If a Bangladeshi shaves of his mullah beard and stops wearing his kippah like cap, he will look no different than most Indians. And how many Bangladeshis live in India? Maximum 20 million out of a billion plus population. That is less than 2% of people who look very similar to the locals. Compared to Hispanics who are now 15% of the US population and except the small number of Hispanics who are White, the large number are brown Meztizos who in looks and mannerisms are VERY different than White or even black Americans. And even then we get anti Bangladeshi riots. Even then the Indian government builds a wall and nobody complains unlike in the USA there are ahuge number of White SJW crackpots who faint at the though of a Wall. In India, building a wall with Bangladesh is not an issue.
    Indians from the North East who look more Mongoloid face more harassment due to racism (they are Indian citizens) compared to Bangladeshi foreigners. RACE matters more in migration.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3vbxX-i15A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCcgx16e8DQ

    Check these debate ‘Are Indians Racists’ on an Indian English channel. People talk about Africans facing racism and even Indians of North Eastern descent (who look more Mongoloid and who are either racially and culturally similar to Tibetans or South East Asians, India forced these lands into the union, most of them did not want to be part of India) but nobody brings up the Bangladesh issue here, they are assumed to be of the same race as most mainstream Indians (Caucasoid Australoid hybrid looking ones).

    Also Africans make up only a tiny part of the population of Delhi, you can go for weeks without seeing a single black guy bit even then
    most Indians do not want Africans in India

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiN0SZPXlAk

    Check out the opinion of the Indians towards Africans. Many consider Africans cannibals and obviously consider them a DIFFERENT RACE even if Indians are dark. Differences in facial features, hair, temperament etc… means most Indians and Africans see each other as different races irrespective of skin colours. Most Indians look like Caucasoid Australoid hybrids with straight hair unlike the Negroid Africans.

    And guess what the Indian Supreme Court ordered the Government to deport all illegal Bangladeshis and to seal the border. No SJW crackpots calling for migrant rights, No Antifa. 99% of Indians agreed, the illegal Bangladeshis need to go as any normal country.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEXMkuwzpSk

    If the USA would have been like India, the 1965 bill would NEVEr had gone through and the party which would pass such a bill would not have been elected into office for the next 40 years at least.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dwa7EAwbWY

    The Chief Minister of a state bordering Bangladesh, Assam, reviews fence being built in between India and Bangladesh.

    Leftist crack pots who claim that building a border between the USA and Mexico is not practical are lying scum. The Indo Bangladesh border is much more complicated with much difficult terrain especially on the Eastern side of Bangladesh, Yet a poor country like India is building fencing at full speed with ease. LOL.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTD9WCcYn0M

    India To Have Patrol Free, Multi Layer Smart Fence Along Pakistan, Bangladesh Borders By Mid 2017

    LOL a poor backward country can do it but not the rich technologically advanced USA. Ya right!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR9hNBPGNBA

    India's Interior minister reviews border fencing with Bangladesh
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  • @Thomm

    One more time. National and religious animosities can lead to extreme insults
     
    So your 'point' is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they 'don't really mean it'?

    You can't be serious.

    Plus, you are glossing over the violence towards Irish immigrants. The film 'Gangs of New York' is but one portrayal of this.

    There is no doubt that in the 19th century and all the way up to perhaps 1914, the Irish in America were mistreated and widely portrayed as sub-humans. You ought to be against this.

    So your ‘point’ is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they ‘don’t really mean it’?

    Well, this “Thomm” fellow claims to be a native-born white American. But based on the peculiar language and skewed content of his comments, I was 90% sure he was actually a foreign immigrant, and about 60% sure he was a Hindu.

    However, I’d now say I’m 85% sure he’s a Hindu. He’s actually so ignorant of American history and society that he assumes that 19th century American *political cartoons* actually reflected the scientific beliefs of 19th century American scholars. So if newspaper cartoons portrayed Irish immigrants as subhuman apes and savages then that was the official view of American scientists.

    I think the Hindus are one of the very few peoples in the world that regard a large fraction of their fellow Hindus as basically being sub-human, so he’s ignorantly extrapolating the attitudes of his own society to those of 19th century America. I simply can’t imagine any anyone growing up in America, white or not and no matter how ultra-PC his education, believing something so ridiculous about the Irish.

    I think he’d be much happier going off to some other website and trying to fool people there.

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    Your rebuttals get weaker and weaker. The drawings I posted are not 'political cartoons', but were actually pushed as fact in the New York Times and Harpers.

    More links about how the Irish were considered 'non-white' at best and apes at worst :

    https://www.theroot.com/when-the-irish-weren-t-white-1793358754
    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/01/28/irish-apes-tactics-of-de-humanization/

    Keep ignoring these links. It is funny how quickly even Ron Unz descended into a 'La la la I can't hear you' level of immature denialism.


    But based on the peculiar language
     
    Like what? I notice that you are unable to provide examples.

    I simply can’t imagine any anyone growing up in America, white or not and no matter how ultra-PC his education, believing something so ridiculous about the Irish.

     

    Except that it is a fact that a simple Google search will confirm from you. The Irish were heavily discriminated against in America. That Ron Unz is trying to deny this makes one question how much he really knows about American history. Apparently, he knows very little, which is why his preposterous attempt to paint me as an Indian is really just projection of his own ignorance.

    Anyway, the horrid discrimination against the Irish in 19th century America is not a secret, even if Ron Unz continues to engage in 'La la la I can't hear you' avoidance.

    , @Malla

    I think the Hindus are one of the very few peoples in the world that regard a large fraction of their fellow Hindus as basically being sub-human, so he’s ignorantly extrapolating the attitudes of his own society to those of 19th century America.
     
    Agreed, his attitude towards White trash reeks of Hindu attitude towards Lower castes.
    , @Singh
    Sub human? Is that why there's a majority of educational seats reserved for these sub humans & merely insulting their low status leads to jail?

    https://twitter.com/DeplorablePagan/status/952420317082693632?s=17

    All you can do is shift goal posts. India has had desegregation laws & quotas longer than USA. But it doesn't because reasons (you guys are just filthy Pagans & we have our atrocity Literature to prove it)

    https://mobile.twitter.com/Hiranyareta/status/952946320897134593

    Jews haven't changed in their depravity huh? Whether as christian pastors or hollywood directors.
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  • @dcite
    One more time. National and religious animosities can lead to extreme insults--the Saxons and Normans in 12th century Britain; the Walloons and the Flemings in Belgium, that sort of thing; and if they are an economic threat, it gets serious. The Irish were just white people, part of the European genetic cluster and easily able to assimilate among more high achieving whites, as soon as they got out of their extremely rural country, obscured their alien religion, lost their accents, and blended in. Genetically there is no dissimilarity from other northern Europeans, and the angst about them was theater for the most part. Even the "No Irish Need Apply" signs were myth. I was a little surprised to learn that. They were in worse condition of any immigrants on record when they arrived in America. It was largely Irish immigrants who caused the cholera epidemics in Boston and some other cities, to become such disasters. Not intentional, but still. If I were an old-stock dweller of those cities, I'd have hated the Irish too.
    However, most (I can't answer for all) 19th century opinions about them being sub-humans had all the black comedy of a SNL live skit featuring the Czech brothers. And then there were the large number of U.S. presidents descended from Scotch-Irish. But they were Protestants and therefore intrinsically human...?
    You can find jokes among the cantons in Switzerland mocking each other in ways that sound serious, but I'm sure they feel more like one another than they feel like the Bangladeshi and Somali "migrants" I used to see hanging around railroad stations. I will never forget being in a cafeteria in a Swiss university and seeing a young Swiss man staring hard and not in a friendly way, at what looked like Somali man behind the counter. Like

    are
     
    you doing here? That was in 1989.
    Whenever I hear that Ignatiev canard about the Irish, I know exactly the mentality talking.

    One more time. National and religious animosities can lead to extreme insults

    So your ‘point’ is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they ‘don’t really mean it’?

    You can’t be serious.

    Plus, you are glossing over the violence towards Irish immigrants. The film ‘Gangs of New York’ is but one portrayal of this.

    There is no doubt that in the 19th century and all the way up to perhaps 1914, the Irish in America were mistreated and widely portrayed as sub-humans. You ought to be against this.

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    So your ‘point’ is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they ‘don’t really mean it’?
     
    Well, this "Thomm" fellow claims to be a native-born white American. But based on the peculiar language and skewed content of his comments, I was 90% sure he was actually a foreign immigrant, and about 60% sure he was a Hindu.

    However, I'd now say I'm 85% sure he's a Hindu. He's actually so ignorant of American history and society that he assumes that 19th century American *political cartoons* actually reflected the scientific beliefs of 19th century American scholars. So if newspaper cartoons portrayed Irish immigrants as subhuman apes and savages then that was the official view of American scientists.

    I think the Hindus are one of the very few peoples in the world that regard a large fraction of their fellow Hindus as basically being sub-human, so he's ignorantly extrapolating the attitudes of his own society to those of 19th century America. I simply can't imagine any anyone growing up in America, white or not and no matter how ultra-PC his education, believing something so ridiculous about the Irish.

    I think he'd be much happier going off to some other website and trying to fool people there.
    , @Truth

    So your ‘point’ is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they ‘don’t really mean it’?

    You can’t be serious.
     

    LOL; I have your back on this one Thomm.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0hK1wyrrAU

    , @dcite
    "The film ‘Gangs of New York’ is but one portrayal of this."

    oh god. The Gangs of New York? You think that's history? Batman wasn't around yet to keep things under control.

    Homicide and violent crime was fairly rare among the Irish of the late 19th century. Mostly they were inclined drunkeness and got into fights. But rape and murder, very rare. Nor were they victimized by other whites to any great extent. The hardships were mostly working and living conditions, not violence.

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  • @Anon
    "I will let it slide"

    LOL!

    I've got to give you credit, that's a pretty good cop-out.

    I’ve got to give you credit, that’s a pretty good cop-out.

    It is not a cop-out, you retard. I was letting Ron Unz slide, since he is doing something I support (which is to actively undermine WN as a ‘Divide and Conquer’ Jew).

    That does not change the fact that both he and you are ignorant about the mistreatment of Irish immigrants in America.

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    Ron Unz is actually doing pretty well bringing people together, as you and Truth can testify. Maybe he should run a dating site.

    Knock yourself out: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cop%20out
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  • @Ron Unz

    Where do you come from? You show that tone-deafness of strangers in a strange land. You can know the textbook language and be totally unable to understand or speak in a normal way.
     
    Exactly! This ridiculous "Thomm" fellow is very obviously a foreigner, probably a Hindu immigrant, and pretending to be a "native-born white American"...but not doing a very good job of it!

    He showed up a few months ago, and endlessly rants and raves against "evil White Nationalists" in a rather crude and ignorant manner. Since so many of his comments are merely content-free rants, at some point, they'll no longer be published, and then maybe he'll go away and pretend to be a white American on some other website...

    ah. Thanks for information. I was puzzled.

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  • @Thomm
    More historical information about how the Irish were not considered white in the US in the 19th century :

    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/01/28/irish-apes-tactics-of-de-humanization/

    In many cases, they were even considered sub-human.

    A quick Google search can provide you with much more. I could confront Ron Unz about his ignorance (which may be just pretend). But I like how he is undermining WN from the inside without them figuring out his game, so I will let it slide.

    One more time. National and religious animosities can lead to extreme insults–the Saxons and Normans in 12th century Britain; the Walloons and the Flemings in Belgium, that sort of thing; and if they are an economic threat, it gets serious. The Irish were just white people, part of the European genetic cluster and easily able to assimilate among more high achieving whites, as soon as they got out of their extremely rural country, obscured their alien religion, lost their accents, and blended in. Genetically there is no dissimilarity from other northern Europeans, and the angst about them was theater for the most part. Even the “No Irish Need Apply” signs were myth. I was a little surprised to learn that. They were in worse condition of any immigrants on record when they arrived in America. It was largely Irish immigrants who caused the cholera epidemics in Boston and some other cities, to become such disasters. Not intentional, but still. If I were an old-stock dweller of those cities, I’d have hated the Irish too.
    However, most (I can’t answer for all) 19th century opinions about them being sub-humans had all the black comedy of a SNL live skit featuring the Czech brothers. And then there were the large number of U.S. presidents descended from Scotch-Irish. But they were Protestants and therefore intrinsically human…?
    You can find jokes among the cantons in Switzerland mocking each other in ways that sound serious, but I’m sure they feel more like one another than they feel like the Bangladeshi and Somali “migrants” I used to see hanging around railroad stations. I will never forget being in a cafeteria in a Swiss university and seeing a young Swiss man staring hard and not in a friendly way, at what looked like Somali man behind the counter. Like

    are

    you doing here? That was in 1989.
    Whenever I hear that Ignatiev canard about the Irish, I know exactly the mentality talking.

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    One more time. National and religious animosities can lead to extreme insults
     
    So your 'point' is that even if major mainstream newspapers go out of their way to portray Irish people as a form of simian, that is all done in good fun and they 'don't really mean it'?

    You can't be serious.

    Plus, you are glossing over the violence towards Irish immigrants. The film 'Gangs of New York' is but one portrayal of this.

    There is no doubt that in the 19th century and all the way up to perhaps 1914, the Irish in America were mistreated and widely portrayed as sub-humans. You ought to be against this.
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  • @Malla

    You can have christian values without having officially converted yet.
     
    Hinduism has adopted many Christian values. Such as 'seva' in response to Christian 'charity'. Hinduism today has adopted many aspects of Christian morality just like Adi Shankara adopted many Buddhist concepts into Hinduism many centuries ago. That is why today we see a more civilised version of Hinduism compared to the Hinduism in the past, this is because Hinduism has been Christianised up to some extent. But you want to take us back to the past to a rougher version of Hinduism.

    I’m a Sikh।।

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  • @Malla

    There are something like 15-20 million Bangladeshi illegal aliens in India.
     
    They are racially very similar. It is like Poles going to England. The government has built a Wall in between both the countries.

    Are the illegals mostly Muslim, and does their religion make a difference to the authorities in Bengal or elsewhere?

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  • @Thomm
    More historical information about how the Irish were not considered white in the US in the 19th century :

    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/01/28/irish-apes-tactics-of-de-humanization/

    In many cases, they were even considered sub-human.

    A quick Google search can provide you with much more. I could confront Ron Unz about his ignorance (which may be just pretend). But I like how he is undermining WN from the inside without them figuring out his game, so I will let it slide.

    “I will let it slide”

    LOL!

    I’ve got to give you credit, that’s a pretty good cop-out.

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    I’ve got to give you credit, that’s a pretty good cop-out.
     
    It is not a cop-out, you retard. I was letting Ron Unz slide, since he is doing something I support (which is to actively undermine WN as a 'Divide and Conquer' Jew).

    That does not change the fact that both he and you are ignorant about the mistreatment of Irish immigrants in America.
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  • @Singh
    You can have christian values without having officially converted yet.

    The point Hindus make is that yes there were reform movements & the British changed a localized system to a nationwide one.

    You're really unaware of how they displaced lower caste land owners & entrenched feudalism even more.

    Why do you use Saint continuously then instead of Sant?

    Hindus say that these movements would take care of problems in the absence of foreign rule.

    You'll say I'm changing narrative or tune but you just only read anglo sources, decrying anything showing your people in favorable light as facism.

    Your enlightenment values are christian in nature.

    https://twitter.com/neha_aks/status/948549922441322496?s=17

    Can't find the thread that actually described it but u don't care. Ur non chalant views on BD illegals shows just that,

    You can have christian values without having officially converted yet.

    Hinduism has adopted many Christian values. Such as ‘seva’ in response to Christian ‘charity’. Hinduism today has adopted many aspects of Christian morality just like Adi Shankara adopted many Buddhist concepts into Hinduism many centuries ago. That is why today we see a more civilised version of Hinduism compared to the Hinduism in the past, this is because Hinduism has been Christianised up to some extent. But you want to take us back to the past to a rougher version of Hinduism.

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    I'm a Sikh।।
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  • @Singh
    You can have christian values without having officially converted yet.

    The point Hindus make is that yes there were reform movements & the British changed a localized system to a nationwide one.

    You're really unaware of how they displaced lower caste land owners & entrenched feudalism even more.

    Why do you use Saint continuously then instead of Sant?

    Hindus say that these movements would take care of problems in the absence of foreign rule.

    You'll say I'm changing narrative or tune but you just only read anglo sources, decrying anything showing your people in favorable light as facism.

    Your enlightenment values are christian in nature.

    https://twitter.com/neha_aks/status/948549922441322496?s=17

    Can't find the thread that actually described it but u don't care. Ur non chalant views on BD illegals shows just that,

    Why do you use Saint continuously then instead of Sant?

    Because my Good man, Sant in North Indian languages means Saint in English but most people on Unz are not Indians and may not understand.

    You’re really unaware of how they displaced lower caste land owners & entrenched feudalism even more

    .
    Evul British made the castes system, yet before the evul British came to India, Sant Eknath was fighting untouchability in India. How much sense does that make?

    Hindus say that these movements would take care of problems in the absence of foreign rule.

    They are lying. Brahmins with their cunning and high IQs would have destroyed any such movements, like they destroyed Buddhism in India. The high IQ Brits were needed to keep Brahmins under control.

    British started a much wider social engineering project by arbitrarily choosing birth-based-jaatis to fit into the occupation-based-varna system convincing us that Varna too was a hierarchy. Varna was conferred at the jaati through the will of the white man!

    More Hinduwadi crackpot nonsense and lying and propaganda. Varna was always a hierarchy. Lower castes could not do the work of Brahmins.

    Ur non chalant views on BD illegals shows just that,

    You are imagining things. I am not wrong in saying that Bangladeshis are racially similar to us Indians. By saying that, I am not supporting illegal Bangladeshi immigration. I support building that Wall by the Indian government.

    Cunning Brahmins (and their mental lower caste slaves) will always blame the Muslims and British for all the evil effects Brahmanwadi had on Indian society. Rigid stoneheaded Muslims in the Indian subcontinent and the Slimy Marxists will blame the British for all the ill effects Islamic rule had on Indian society. Everybody is innocent by dumping everything on the evul British.

    And that is why there should be no more European Empires and White Man’s burden, let the brown black world regress to their earlier hell hole lives, their so called ‘Golden Periods’.

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  • @dcite
    Thomm,
    Irish considered sub-human? I'm curious. Does the name Ignatiev mean anything to you? I haven't read every comment so I don't know if someone mentioned that Marxist fact-twister. Where do you come from? You show that tone-deafness of strangers in a strange land. You can know the textbook language and be totally unable to understand or speak in a normal way.
    I have a long line of Irish ancestors; one, an Irish Catholic from County Kerry, was knighted by the king of England, probably for race horse training, in the early 1800s. A sort of Barry Lyndon, a book by Thackeray you should read for more enlightenment. The film was good too.
    The Irish were likely to be despised in the mid-19th century America due to poverty and backwardness, not to mention religion. Everyone from a peasant background was seen as backward and "other"for reasons of language and custom; but that didn't last long outside, maybe, Boston, and certainly the idea of them as a different race was, well, only skin deep. A veneer. An Irishman or Irishwoman who converted to Protestantism immediately assumed human dimensions even in 1850.
    There are a few genetic differences, especially in the far west of Ireland, but the Irish are all but indistinguishable from other Brits (the white kind) and everybody always knew that because basic phenotype mostly tells the truth.

    More historical information about how the Irish were not considered white in the US in the 19th century :

    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/01/28/irish-apes-tactics-of-de-humanization/

    In many cases, they were even considered sub-human.

    A quick Google search can provide you with much more. I could confront Ron Unz about his ignorance (which may be just pretend). But I like how he is undermining WN from the inside without them figuring out his game, so I will let it slide.

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    "I will let it slide"

    LOL!

    I've got to give you credit, that's a pretty good cop-out.
    , @dcite
    One more time. National and religious animosities can lead to extreme insults--the Saxons and Normans in 12th century Britain; the Walloons and the Flemings in Belgium, that sort of thing; and if they are an economic threat, it gets serious. The Irish were just white people, part of the European genetic cluster and easily able to assimilate among more high achieving whites, as soon as they got out of their extremely rural country, obscured their alien religion, lost their accents, and blended in. Genetically there is no dissimilarity from other northern Europeans, and the angst about them was theater for the most part. Even the "No Irish Need Apply" signs were myth. I was a little surprised to learn that. They were in worse condition of any immigrants on record when they arrived in America. It was largely Irish immigrants who caused the cholera epidemics in Boston and some other cities, to become such disasters. Not intentional, but still. If I were an old-stock dweller of those cities, I'd have hated the Irish too.
    However, most (I can't answer for all) 19th century opinions about them being sub-humans had all the black comedy of a SNL live skit featuring the Czech brothers. And then there were the large number of U.S. presidents descended from Scotch-Irish. But they were Protestants and therefore intrinsically human...?
    You can find jokes among the cantons in Switzerland mocking each other in ways that sound serious, but I'm sure they feel more like one another than they feel like the Bangladeshi and Somali "migrants" I used to see hanging around railroad stations. I will never forget being in a cafeteria in a Swiss university and seeing a young Swiss man staring hard and not in a friendly way, at what looked like Somali man behind the counter. Like

    are
     
    you doing here? That was in 1989.
    Whenever I hear that Ignatiev canard about the Irish, I know exactly the mentality talking.
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  • @Ron Unz

    Where do you come from? You show that tone-deafness of strangers in a strange land. You can know the textbook language and be totally unable to understand or speak in a normal way.
     
    Exactly! This ridiculous "Thomm" fellow is very obviously a foreigner, probably a Hindu immigrant, and pretending to be a "native-born white American"...but not doing a very good job of it!

    He showed up a few months ago, and endlessly rants and raves against "evil White Nationalists" in a rather crude and ignorant manner. Since so many of his comments are merely content-free rants, at some point, they'll no longer be published, and then maybe he'll go away and pretend to be a white American on some other website...

    He showed up a few months ago, and endlessly rants and raves against “evil White Nationalists” in a rather crude and ignorant manner.

    I describe them in a very accurate manner, actually.

    Anyway, I proved at length that Irish were considered sub-human by major publications like Harpers and the New York Times. The image below was published by Harpers in 1899. Apparently, copies of their printed pages are something you still ignore :

    Ignoring presented facts is easy for a WN – it is in their nature.

    But Ron Unz is different, and while his game is pretty transparent to anyone of average or higher intelligence, it is effective at deceiving WNs (who are far less intelligent than average). I actually admire how effectively he is undermining WN from within, while pretending to be their ally. To that end, he is doing something I support.

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  • @Malla

    It was always we Nordics are so damn wonderful.
     
    LMFAO, show me one people in all the world who are not like this. Really LOL

    Hinduwadis claim that India is the most ancient civilization on Earth probably 100000000000000000000 (add zeros to your fancy) years old, all civilizations came from ancient Hindus, non Indians/ non Hindus are lowly mlechhas, like untouchables. Only Indians have culture, if others have culture, it is because they stole if from us or sat at the feet of an Indian and learnt culture. One Indian classical music maestro literally said on stage once that all non Indians have no concept of traditional music, all they have is electronic modern music, only Indian civilisation had great classical music and nobody in the audience batted an eyelid, I kid you not. No Beethovan, No Mozart for example. We Hindus are so smart and awesome. Indian genius is running the USA, UK, Australia, Japan, NASA, Microsoft, Martian spaceship factories etc..... USA is a first world power only because of Indian genius (which is strange as the USA was already an industrial power by the early 1900s when there were hardly any Asian Indians in the USA but anyways...). Indian movies galore where a White man, East Asian or a black or an Arab stops an Indian from rising up but finally looses to Indian genius. India was 'Sone Ki Chidiya' (Golden Bird) before the lowly Muslims and Europeans raped our lands. Each and every Indian was a billionaire before the muslims and Europeans came (why would anybody work in ancient India, maybe nobody worked at all in ancient India, we had automation already it seems) and all of us had golden toilets encrusted with jewels in our bathrooms but the British stole that gold and jewels and now we have to shit in the open fields and streets. All non Indians only want one thing, they only think of only one thing...how to keep India down. Englishmen, Nigerians, Bangladeshis, Chinese, Martians, Americans, Blue Whales, Germans etc...all of them spend their waking hours conspiring to keep our great India down (they have no other work or interest) because they know what will happen when India rises as a superpower, which will happen eventually anyways. I would say a major chunk of our population really believe the last sentence with all their heart. White people have no sexual morality at all, mothers f..k their sons, fathers f..k their sisters and it is a f..kfest, all, each and every White person does this, 100% of them, this is how they always were from the beginning of time shouts the Indian wife sleeping with her milkman. The Chinese/Japanese/Korean civilization was started only because of us Hindus (I can provide a link but your eyes will bleed). An Indian guy told me about this beautiful Indian princess from ancient Ayodhya who had married a Korean prince many centuries ago (this is actually historical fact) and the descendants of that family are best looking, most intelligent Koreans or probably the only intelligent Koreans (this is obviously b.s.). And much more.... Indeed from my childhood this is what I have been hearing all around me. And they are not kind to East Asians, Arabs or blacks too. Blacks (kalus) are primitive adivasi cannibal apes living in Africa with abnormal mutant hair, Arabs only rape and loot and live like barbarians in desert unlike our great Bharatvarsha, those abnormal mutant chinkies (chapte - flatfaceds) eat anything and everything and are just plain weird abnormal people with weird eyes (One ayurvedic baba [you find them across all India in their tents selling snake oil] told me it is a kind of disease which can be treated with Ayurveda only, I assume he is making a lot of money in the far East right now). This is the cacophony I have been hearing since my childhood all around everytime I came back to India from abroad. It is like a constant background buzz amongst many Indians.

    Jews claim they are the chosen ones, how the Jewish soul is superior to the goyim soul, without Jewish genius Europeans and the world would be living like Australian aboriginies, all great Europeans/goyim have some Jewish ancestry somewhere, Jews even if he keeps no mitzvots will go to Jewish heaven where no lowly goyim soul will ever enter, goyims who keep the laws of Noah will get a lowly heaven (I forgot to add, only guys go to Jewish heaven, so heaven is a place full of homosexual Jews, If that is the case, I personally prefer hell anyways), Jews are a miracle, everybody wants to destroy innocent Jews jealous of their genius, if the lowly goyims had any brains they would travel thousands of miles just to see a Jew (this I had read in a book by a Jewish guy, I thus envy all those lowly goyims living in New York, a lot of travel money saved), the creator of the Universe, God (Yashem, Adonai, Yahweh etc....) depends on Jews to keep all their mitzvots (rules) or the universe will crumble, when the Messiah comes, each Jew will get goyim slaves and there will be true justice on earth blah blah blah....

    Afrocentrists patter and preach about when they were flying around in pyramid space ships when we non blacks were living in caves, about the secret pawa (power) of da melanin, non blacks are not completely hue-mans (you get it hue of hue-mans, so brilliant, deserves a Nobel prize) about how India, Greece etc...were civilized by blacks (Afrocentrist Mr. Clark confidently blurted out that Ganga is the name of an Ethiopean general, but Ganga is a feminine name, she is a devi, Goddess, was the said Ethipoean general a hermaphrodite ? anyways...), how the Samurai were black, blacks have a special rhythm others cannot even imagine, aleins in UFOs are black, the world is black blah blah blah....

    The Chinese claim they are the middle kingdom. Foreign barbarian devils came and destroyed our great middle kingdom.... blah blah blah

    I can go on and on....But I am getting a headache...
    Oh wait only Nords do not have the right to feel good about themselves. They have, HAVE (It is very important this is true, cries the brown blacks) to believe they are basically cave dwellers, who somehow stole technology from everyone (I never knew you could steal technology like money, I mean even if I would steal your technology, you should still have that technology but anyways....) and thus we brown blacks are now living in stinky countries full of mudhuts and open gutters.


    What must they have been like pre-WWI and II? Is that not a kind of parasitism itself? The thesis dependent upon the anti-thesis? Do you wish to return to those times? Do you believe whites deserve a return to those times?
     
    No, I never meant that. All I am saying that they deserve lands (Europe, parts of North America etc...) where they are the overwhelming majority with no Jewish/banker influence, that's it.. Like in India, I can go for months without seeing an non Indian, something like that for the Nords, except that India is VERY MUCH under Jewish/banker control behind the scenes. No more British/French Empires please. It will mean more ammo to beat the Whites with in the future. Leave the brown blacks to their misery or progress.
    That is why the U.S. empire has to stop fast.

    All I am saying that they deserve lands (Europe, parts of North America etc…) where they are the overwhelming majority with no Jewish/banker influence, that’s it.. Like in India, I can go for months without seeing an non Indian, something like that for the Nords, except that India is VERY MUCH under Jewish/banker control behind the scenes. No more British/French Empires please. It will mean more ammo to beat the Whites with in the future. Leave the brown blacks to their misery or progress.
    That is why the U.S. empire has to stop fast.

    I agree the US needs draw down of foreign bases and reduction of military spending. I don’t see why McDonalds, Starbucks, American pop entertainment needs to be anywhere. And some should not be allowed in the US. But, America is a democracy, I don’t get to decide.

    US bases are in other countries because the countries ask for them. If the foreign countries ask, should the US decline? I think yes, but there are interests on both sides that keep the US military there. If American soldiers acted like louts and conquerors, the host country would definitely kick out the soldiers. But that’s kind of part of the problem. American men are raised to be egalitarian, docile, orderly, polite. They can treat foreign women with a consideration not found in the men of the host countries. And Hollywood has trained the world into thinking the American male is at least an interesting male. Trained the world into accepting the smiley, good natured American. Which the American male has also been trained into. Now the world is being trained into accepting rap and the culture of black Americans. The Philippines asked the US to leave and the US did. And there was a period before Duterte that the Philippines were considering asking the US to return. They discovered that losing the money from Subic was more painful than they had assumed it would be.

    Similarly with McDonalds, Walmart, Starbucks, Apple, Chanel, etc. All these companies don’t need to be in non-Western countries. But OTOH, they are in these countries voluntarily. If the people didn’t buy the products, or the governments banned them, they wouldn’t be there.

    The only solution to Westernizing seems to be a hard authoritarian government either Western (which will not happen) or in the non-Western country.

    If as an Indian, you hate Westernizing, the problem is that you’re a democracy. You can’t expect Westerners to end their democracy. I think we need to new governmental form. Something where democratic rights are respected, but the soul destroying excesses of capitalism are limited. Socialism might help, but you see white Americans still prefer greed, even when couched in the language of culture. The Trump victory seems to show that. Never overestimate the intelligence of Americans.

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  • @dcite
    Thomm,
    Irish considered sub-human? I'm curious. Does the name Ignatiev mean anything to you? I haven't read every comment so I don't know if someone mentioned that Marxist fact-twister. Where do you come from? You show that tone-deafness of strangers in a strange land. You can know the textbook language and be totally unable to understand or speak in a normal way.
    I have a long line of Irish ancestors; one, an Irish Catholic from County Kerry, was knighted by the king of England, probably for race horse training, in the early 1800s. A sort of Barry Lyndon, a book by Thackeray you should read for more enlightenment. The film was good too.
    The Irish were likely to be despised in the mid-19th century America due to poverty and backwardness, not to mention religion. Everyone from a peasant background was seen as backward and "other"for reasons of language and custom; but that didn't last long outside, maybe, Boston, and certainly the idea of them as a different race was, well, only skin deep. A veneer. An Irishman or Irishwoman who converted to Protestantism immediately assumed human dimensions even in 1850.
    There are a few genetic differences, especially in the far west of Ireland, but the Irish are all but indistinguishable from other Brits (the white kind) and everybody always knew that because basic phenotype mostly tells the truth.

    Where do you come from? You show that tone-deafness of strangers in a strange land. You can know the textbook language and be totally unable to understand or speak in a normal way.

    Exactly! This ridiculous “Thomm” fellow is very obviously a foreigner, probably a Hindu immigrant, and pretending to be a “native-born white American”…but not doing a very good job of it!

    He showed up a few months ago, and endlessly rants and raves against “evil White Nationalists” in a rather crude and ignorant manner. Since so many of his comments are merely content-free rants, at some point, they’ll no longer be published, and then maybe he’ll go away and pretend to be a white American on some other website…

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    He showed up a few months ago, and endlessly rants and raves against “evil White Nationalists” in a rather crude and ignorant manner.
     
    I describe them in a very accurate manner, actually.

    Anyway, I proved at length that Irish were considered sub-human by major publications like Harpers and the New York Times. The image below was published by Harpers in 1899. Apparently, copies of their printed pages are something you still ignore :

    http://www.strangehistory.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/irish-african.jpg

    Ignoring presented facts is easy for a WN - it is in their nature.

    But Ron Unz is different, and while his game is pretty transparent to anyone of average or higher intelligence, it is effective at deceiving WNs (who are far less intelligent than average). I actually admire how effectively he is undermining WN from within, while pretending to be their ally. To that end, he is doing something I support.

    , @dcite
    ah. Thanks for information. I was puzzled.
    , @Anon
    Actually he doesn't even claim to be a "native-born" American in those words; he claims, hilariously, to be "domestically born". There's got to be an award for that level of cluelessness.
    , @Anon
    I think frequent CODOH linker and Unz commenter “Wally” has exhausted his entertainment value. He was given a stern warning less than a week ago but continues to spam, is abusive, and clearly has no intention of debating in good faith. I’m asking as a loyal reader that you pull the plug.
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  • @Thomm
    You are changing the subject. Malla may be knowledgeable about India, but he is clueless about the US, and has never lived here. That is what I said in the text you quoted. It is funny that you were unable to understand that.

    Plus, you yourself are hardly an 'immigration restrictionist'. You wrote pages and pages to normalize Hispanics (even illegal ones) as an acceptable population simply for having a lower crime rate than blacks. I am one of the few who defended you in the past, but now I see that you are just a 'Divide and Conquer' Jew.


    he used to endlessly boast about the tremendous and growing success of Indians,

     

    Where have I done that in the last 21 days? You appear to be confused about the meaning of the word 'endlessly'.

    Plus, I proved to you that Irish people were considered subhuman in the US as recently as 1900, that too in the New York Times and Harpers. You avoided my point, since it proves you wrong.


    Furthermore, his style of writing seems to mark him as an agitated foreigner who learned English as an adult rather than someone who grew up with English as his first language.
     
    Point to specific examples. A drive-by claim like this is simply poor form on your part.

    There is apparently much less to Ron Unz than meets the eye. He knows little about subjects that he claims to specialize in, and the extent of his education is questionable. The concept of 'credentialed but not educated' comes to mind when describing Ron Unz.

    Among other things, he greatly excuses the illegal immigration of Hispanics, but then also wants a $12/hr minimum wage. Minimum wages are already a violation of Econ 101 concepts, but it really does not work when there are a mass of illegal immigrants in the labor pool. It is hard to claim Ron Unz is intelligent when he does not see this contradiction.

    Thomm,
    Irish considered sub-human? I’m curious. Does the name Ignatiev mean anything to you? I haven’t read every comment so I don’t know if someone mentioned that Marxist fact-twister. Where do you come from? You show that tone-deafness of strangers in a strange land. You can know the textbook language and be totally unable to understand or speak in a normal way.
    I have a long line of Irish ancestors; one, an Irish Catholic from County Kerry, was knighted by the king of England, probably for race horse training, in the early 1800s. A sort of Barry Lyndon, a book by Thackeray you should read for more enlightenment. The film was good too.
    The Irish were likely to be despised in the mid-19th century America due to poverty and backwardness, not to mention religion. Everyone from a peasant background was seen as backward and “other”for reasons of language and custom; but that didn’t last long outside, maybe, Boston, and certainly the idea of them as a different race was, well, only skin deep. A veneer. An Irishman or Irishwoman who converted to Protestantism immediately assumed human dimensions even in 1850.
    There are a few genetic differences, especially in the far west of Ireland, but the Irish are all but indistinguishable from other Brits (the white kind) and everybody always knew that because basic phenotype mostly tells the truth.

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    Where do you come from? You show that tone-deafness of strangers in a strange land. You can know the textbook language and be totally unable to understand or speak in a normal way.
     
    Exactly! This ridiculous "Thomm" fellow is very obviously a foreigner, probably a Hindu immigrant, and pretending to be a "native-born white American"...but not doing a very good job of it!

    He showed up a few months ago, and endlessly rants and raves against "evil White Nationalists" in a rather crude and ignorant manner. Since so many of his comments are merely content-free rants, at some point, they'll no longer be published, and then maybe he'll go away and pretend to be a white American on some other website...
    , @Thomm
    More historical information about how the Irish were not considered white in the US in the 19th century :

    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/01/28/irish-apes-tactics-of-de-humanization/

    In many cases, they were even considered sub-human.

    A quick Google search can provide you with much more. I could confront Ron Unz about his ignorance (which may be just pretend). But I like how he is undermining WN from the inside without them figuring out his game, so I will let it slide.

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  • @Yan Shen
    Now having made the important point that Derbyshire, unlike Eamonn Fingleton, is focusing on entirely the wrong thing here and essentially missing the forest for the trees, let me argue why having some East Asian Americans around is good.

    Blacks, hispanics, and whites in general love obsessing over race and peddling unproductive PC non-sense. Having some tiger mothers or tiger cubs around provides a good reminder from time to time that focusing on the right things in life is vastly superior to wasting your time on nonsense.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHhy2Gk_xik

    You have to be a librarian to understand the beauty of that guy. Thank you.

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  • @Malla

    developement of military technology with colored people used as lab rats
     
    Yes evil blue eyed devil Nords always use non Nords as guinea pigs to test their evil destructive weapons. One good example was the unnecessary bombing of Dresden and Hamburg.

    http://spartacus-educational.com/2WWdresden2.JPG

    No wait, what is wrong here? I see dead Nords mercilessly and unnecessarily killed.

    You can have christian values without having officially converted yet.

    The point Hindus make is that yes there were reform movements & the British changed a localized system to a nationwide one.

    You’re really unaware of how they displaced lower caste land owners & entrenched feudalism even more.

    Why do you use Saint continuously then instead of Sant?

    Hindus say that these movements would take care of problems in the absence of foreign rule.

    You’ll say I’m changing narrative or tune but you just only read anglo sources, decrying anything showing your people in favorable light as facism.

    Your enlightenment values are christian in nature.

    Can’t find the thread that actually described it but u don’t care. Ur non chalant views on BD illegals shows just that,

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    Why do you use Saint continuously then instead of Sant?
     
    Because my Good man, Sant in North Indian languages means Saint in English but most people on Unz are not Indians and may not understand.

    You’re really unaware of how they displaced lower caste land owners & entrenched feudalism even more
     
    .
    Evul British made the castes system, yet before the evul British came to India, Sant Eknath was fighting untouchability in India. How much sense does that make?

    Hindus say that these movements would take care of problems in the absence of foreign rule.
     
    They are lying. Brahmins with their cunning and high IQs would have destroyed any such movements, like they destroyed Buddhism in India. The high IQ Brits were needed to keep Brahmins under control.

    British started a much wider social engineering project by arbitrarily choosing birth-based-jaatis to fit into the occupation-based-varna system convincing us that Varna too was a hierarchy. Varna was conferred at the jaati through the will of the white man!
     
    More Hinduwadi crackpot nonsense and lying and propaganda. Varna was always a hierarchy. Lower castes could not do the work of Brahmins.

    Ur non chalant views on BD illegals shows just that,
     
    You are imagining things. I am not wrong in saying that Bangladeshis are racially similar to us Indians. By saying that, I am not supporting illegal Bangladeshi immigration. I support building that Wall by the Indian government.

    Cunning Brahmins (and their mental lower caste slaves) will always blame the Muslims and British for all the evil effects Brahmanwadi had on Indian society. Rigid stoneheaded Muslims in the Indian subcontinent and the Slimy Marxists will blame the British for all the ill effects Islamic rule had on Indian society. Everybody is innocent by dumping everything on the evul British.

    And that is why there should be no more European Empires and White Man's burden, let the brown black world regress to their earlier hell hole lives, their so called 'Golden Periods'.

    , @Malla

    You can have christian values without having officially converted yet.
     
    Hinduism has adopted many Christian values. Such as 'seva' in response to Christian 'charity'. Hinduism today has adopted many aspects of Christian morality just like Adi Shankara adopted many Buddhist concepts into Hinduism many centuries ago. That is why today we see a more civilised version of Hinduism compared to the Hinduism in the past, this is because Hinduism has been Christianised up to some extent. But you want to take us back to the past to a rougher version of Hinduism.
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  • @Malla
    I have come across this data before but they seem just guesswork.

    I mean to get a percentage you have to calculate the whole or the entire global economy. How does one calculate the GDP of Africa in say 1 AD or 1000 AD or even 1500 AD? And if you cannot calculate that you cannot calculate the Global GDP as African GDP would be part of the global GDP and since you cannot do that, you cannot get percentages.
    It is possible to calculate per capita income much more accurately in the past but not overall GDP.

    Secondly before the industrial revolution, in the agricultural age, India did well because of have some of the best productive land in the world. Post Industrial revolution, the productivity of people matter more than productivity of land. And thus Northern Euros and North East Asians (cold climate folks) have an advantage in the post industrial revolution technological world.

    That’s why they do terrorist attacks, demographic replacement & only vote congress।।

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  • @Malla

    I don’t think you have a good understanding of American politics or any commitment to “human rights” in your mind. Or even a decent legal theory of property in the U.S. The American legal system isn’t based on the laws of Manu.
     
    The Commies who have been encouraging post 1965 non White immigration do not give a damn about your legal property theory. They respect it for now, because the time is not right yet.

    any commitment to “human rights'
     
    LOL. Please stop, human rights? right? Libtards are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to human rights.

    And even if you don’t believe in any of these ideas, you should at least accept the custom and historical precedents Americans use to keep a stable system.
     
    It wont last very long, you can take to the bank. Why do you think 'they' allowed non White mass immigration in the first place?

    Why do you think ‘they’ allowed non White mass immigration in the first place?

    The WASP was blocking the path to Jewish banker control? The conservative culture of the WASP needed to be overthrown for Jewish takeover of the media and Hollywood and then to promote sexual deviancy in order to dehumanize, demoralize, and depopulate the gentiles? The Jewish/WASP rent seekers needed renters? Education elites needed money? A cover for the military industrial complex to continue expanding its empire? The production elites wanted to create more customers? The religious organizations wanted more converts for themselves and increase their power, wealth, prestige?
    And the Jew waited patiently for all this to develope knowing his superior agency skills would put him at the top of the pyramid.

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  • @JohnnyWalker123
    One prominent economic historian estimated GDP share, by nation, throughout history. I believe these numbers are adjusted for purchasing power parity.

    Here are the numbers.

    1AD -

    India: 32%
    China: 25.4%
    UK, Germany, and France: 3.7%
    Japan: 1.1%
    US: 0.3%

    1000AD -

    India: 27.8%
    China: 22.7%
    UK, Germany, and France: 4.1%
    Japan: 2.6%
    US: 0.4%

    1500AD -

    India: 24.4%
    China: 24.9%
    UK, Germany, and France: 8.9%
    Japan: 3.1%
    US: 0.3%

    1600AD-

    India: 22.4%
    China: 29%
    UK, Germany, and France: 10.3%
    Japan: 2.9%
    US: 0.2%

    1700AD -

    India: 24.5%
    China: 22.3%
    UK, Germany, and France: 11.8%
    Japan: 4.1%
    US: 0.1%

    1820AD -

    India: 16.1%
    China: 33%
    UK, Germany, and France: 14.2%
    Japan: 3%
    US: 1.8%

    1870AD -

    India: 12.2%
    China: 17.1%
    UK, Germany, and France: 22%
    Japan: 2.3%
    US: 8.9%

    1913AD -

    India: 7.5%
    China: 8.8%
    UK, Germany, and France: 22.2%
    Japan: 2.6%
    US: 18.9%

    1950AD -

    India: 4.2%
    China: 4.6%
    UK, Germany, and France: 15.6%
    Japan: 3%
    US: 27.3%

    1980AD -

    India: 3.2%
    China: 5.2%
    UK, Germany, and France: 13.2%
    Japan: 7.8%
    US: 21.1%

    2000AD-

    India: 5.2%
    China: 11.8%
    UK, Germany, France: 11%
    Japan: 7.2%
    US: 21.9%

    2016AD-

    India: 7.5%
    China: 18.2%
    UK, Germany, and France: 7.7%
    Japan: 4.3%
    US: 15.3%

    For much of history, India was economically comparable to China. Both countries went into relative rapid decline in the 1800s and early 1900s, but China has leapfrogged into a global economic power since the early 80s. India has seen moderate progress, but its trajectory is much weaker than that of China.

    I have come across this data before but they seem just guesswork.

    I mean to get a percentage you have to calculate the whole or the entire global economy. How does one calculate the GDP of Africa in say 1 AD or 1000 AD or even 1500 AD? And if you cannot calculate that you cannot calculate the Global GDP as African GDP would be part of the global GDP and since you cannot do that, you cannot get percentages.
    It is possible to calculate per capita income much more accurately in the past but not overall GDP.

    Secondly before the industrial revolution, in the agricultural age, India did well because of have some of the best productive land in the world. Post Industrial revolution, the productivity of people matter more than productivity of land. And thus Northern Euros and North East Asians (cold climate folks) have an advantage in the post industrial revolution technological world.

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    That's why they do terrorist attacks, demographic replacement & only vote congress।।
    , @JohnnyWalker123

    I have come across this data before but they seem just guesswork.

     

    The study was done by an Emeritus professor who studied at Cambridge, McGill, and Johns Hopkins. He actually became head of the OECD Economics Divsion for many years. He's done quite a bit of research and publishing as an economic historian. He seems like a fairly reputable source.

    Perhaps his numbers are off, but are there any better estimates out there?

    Secondly before the industrial revolution, in the agricultural age, India did well because of have some of the best productive land in the world.

     

    Large-scale agriculture isn't as simple as you portray. It takes complex social and economic systems to support this type of activity. If you look at India's civilizational accomplishments and output, they really were no slouches for most of human history.

    The relevant point is that for much of history, India was economically keeping pace pretty well with China and now it's not. I find that interesting.

    Post Industrial revolution, the productivity of people matter more than productivity of land. And thus Northern Euros and North East Asians (cold climate folks) have an advantage in the post industrial revolution technological world.

     

    First of all, the productivity of the land is dependent on the productivity of the people.

    Second of all, your theory on "cold climate folks" is contradicted by reality.

    Much of China, especially southeastern China, is humid and subtropical in climate. Interestingly, it's this southeastern region that was historically a center of commerce, trade, and high economic output. The southeastern region also was academically the strongest region of China, which resulted in the northern provinces being given affirmative action quotas in China's bureaucratic exams. As China has transitioned from Communism back into a market economy, the southeast has flourished more than other parts of the country. Almost the entire Chinese diaspora, which is extremely successful, comes from the southeast.

    If "cold weather folks" were evolved to be naturally dominant, southeastern Chinese wouldn't be so academically and economically competitive.

    There are examples of "cold weather folks" without much economic or academic dynamicism. For example, the indigenous peoples of Russia's far east. Another example is Central Asia. A third example is Mongolia. A fourth example is the native populations of North America.

    Are the "cold weather folks" of Eastern Europe smarter than Western Europeans?

    Wasn't the Western half of the Roman Empire destroyed by "cold weather folks" from northern Europe? Didn't the warm-weather Eastern half of the Roman Empire thrive for centuries more after that?

    What about Carthage? Athens? Ancient Eygpt? Bablyon? Sumeria? Persia? Indus Valley? Mayas? Incas? Aztecs? Nubian? Phoenicia? Were these "warm weather folks" stupid?

    Southern India is the center of India's booming software industry and has a higher HDI than the languishing northern Indian tates. In your country, the "cold weather folks" are losing to the "warm-weather folks."

    No offense, but you seem to be wrong about a lot of topics.
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  • @Hacienda

    You are neither Nord nor desi. So why is the humble brown desi me, so called saving the ‘desperate’ Nord giving you such a mighty ass itch? Why you getting so triggered by this? What could be the reason? Hmmmmm….
     
    I don't think you have a good understanding of American politics or any commitment to "human rights" in your mind. Or even a decent legal theory of property in the U.S. The American legal system isn't based on the laws of Manu. And even if you don't believe in any of these ideas, you should at least accept the custom and historical precedents Americans use to keep a stable system.

    I don’t think you have a good understanding of American politics or any commitment to “human rights” in your mind. Or even a decent legal theory of property in the U.S. The American legal system isn’t based on the laws of Manu.

    The Commies who have been encouraging post 1965 non White immigration do not give a damn about your legal property theory. They respect it for now, because the time is not right yet.

    any commitment to “human rights’

    LOL. Please stop, human rights? right? Libtards are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to human rights.

    And even if you don’t believe in any of these ideas, you should at least accept the custom and historical precedents Americans use to keep a stable system.

    It wont last very long, you can take to the bank. Why do you think ‘they’ allowed non White mass immigration in the first place?

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    Why do you think ‘they’ allowed non White mass immigration in the first place?
     
    The WASP was blocking the path to Jewish banker control? The conservative culture of the WASP needed to be overthrown for Jewish takeover of the media and Hollywood and then to promote sexual deviancy in order to dehumanize, demoralize, and depopulate the gentiles? The Jewish/WASP rent seekers needed renters? Education elites needed money? A cover for the military industrial complex to continue expanding its empire? The production elites wanted to create more customers? The religious organizations wanted more converts for themselves and increase their power, wealth, prestige?
    And the Jew waited patiently for all this to develope knowing his superior agency skills would put him at the top of the pyramid.
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  • @JohnnyWalker123

    Our xenophobic++ parties of our countries would have won all the seats in parliament, ALL. Just try settling even 1 million blacks or any other race in our billion+ population and you will see what I am talking about.
    And it is because of that we will, survive as a people.
    And this even if we were to have built a global empire and raped and pillaged the whole world, nobody would have been able to sell us mass immigration. You could have gone to the bazaars of Allahabad and tried to convince the local bhayiya that since we Indians have plundered the world, justice will be done by allowing peoples of other continents/regions to settle en mass amongst us. You would have laughed out of the place, and probably peed in the process

     

    There are something like 15-20 million Bangladeshi illegal aliens in India. According to news sources, leftist Indian politicians are attempting to add these migrants to the voter rolls.

    India does have a much larger population than America, but its economy is much weaker. If India were more affluent, there'd likely be even more Bangladeshi illegals in their country.

    I have no idea if Indians buy into multiculturalism, but their nation is being impacted by mass migration. Most of this is driven by economics and overpopulation.

    There are something like 15-20 million Bangladeshi illegal aliens in India.

    They are racially very similar. It is like Poles going to England. The government has built a Wall in between both the countries.

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    Are the illegals mostly Muslim, and does their religion make a difference to the authorities in Bengal or elsewhere?
    , @JohnnyWalker123

    They are racially very similar. It is like Poles going to England. The government has built a Wall in between both the countries.

     

    The Bangladeshis are almost all Muslim by religion, while the Indians are largely Hindus. India actually fractured along religious lines in the 1940s, with the Indian Muslims forming independent nations in Pakistan and Bangladesh. During an internal civil war in the 1970s, large numbers of Hindus were ethnically cleansed from Bangladesh. So it's not completely accurate to say that Bangladeshis and Indians are "similar."

    Are Turks and Armenians "similar"?
    Are Albanians, Serbians, Croatians, and Bosnians "similar"?
    Are Spaniards and Catalonians "similar"?
    Are Russians and Ukranians "similar"?

    Many of the most fierce conflicts are between ethnic groups with a high degree of commonality.

    If Bangladeshi Muslims are flooding into mostly Hindu India, that's like Protestants flooding into a Catholic neighborhood in Belfast.

    Despite their ethnocentricism, India has an illegal immigration problem. Much of that is driven by the overpopulation and poverty of neighboring Bangladesh. So when you say that Indians wouldn't tolerate mass migration into their country, that's untrue.
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  • @Thomm
    You are changing the subject. Malla may be knowledgeable about India, but he is clueless about the US, and has never lived here. That is what I said in the text you quoted. It is funny that you were unable to understand that.

    Plus, you yourself are hardly an 'immigration restrictionist'. You wrote pages and pages to normalize Hispanics (even illegal ones) as an acceptable population simply for having a lower crime rate than blacks. I am one of the few who defended you in the past, but now I see that you are just a 'Divide and Conquer' Jew.


    he used to endlessly boast about the tremendous and growing success of Indians,

     

    Where have I done that in the last 21 days? You appear to be confused about the meaning of the word 'endlessly'.

    Plus, I proved to you that Irish people were considered subhuman in the US as recently as 1900, that too in the New York Times and Harpers. You avoided my point, since it proves you wrong.


    Furthermore, his style of writing seems to mark him as an agitated foreigner who learned English as an adult rather than someone who grew up with English as his first language.
     
    Point to specific examples. A drive-by claim like this is simply poor form on your part.

    There is apparently much less to Ron Unz than meets the eye. He knows little about subjects that he claims to specialize in, and the extent of his education is questionable. The concept of 'credentialed but not educated' comes to mind when describing Ron Unz.

    Among other things, he greatly excuses the illegal immigration of Hispanics, but then also wants a $12/hr minimum wage. Minimum wages are already a violation of Econ 101 concepts, but it really does not work when there are a mass of illegal immigrants in the labor pool. It is hard to claim Ron Unz is intelligent when he does not see this contradiction.

    That’s funny, you never replied in those other threads when I or others pointed out that your bloviating about Irish was simply deluded.

    What subjects do you specialize in? You’ve never demonstrated expertise here on anything so far as I can remember, but then I wasn’t looking too hard.

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  • @JohnnyWalker123

    Our xenophobic++ parties of our countries would have won all the seats in parliament, ALL. Just try settling even 1 million blacks or any other race in our billion+ population and you will see what I am talking about.
    And it is because of that we will, survive as a people.
    And this even if we were to have built a global empire and raped and pillaged the whole world, nobody would have been able to sell us mass immigration. You could have gone to the bazaars of Allahabad and tried to convince the local bhayiya that since we Indians have plundered the world, justice will be done by allowing peoples of other continents/regions to settle en mass amongst us. You would have laughed out of the place, and probably peed in the process

     

    There are something like 15-20 million Bangladeshi illegal aliens in India. According to news sources, leftist Indian politicians are attempting to add these migrants to the voter rolls.

    India does have a much larger population than America, but its economy is much weaker. If India were more affluent, there'd likely be even more Bangladeshi illegals in their country.

    I have no idea if Indians buy into multiculturalism, but their nation is being impacted by mass migration. Most of this is driven by economics and overpopulation.

    One prominent economic historian estimated GDP share, by nation, throughout history. I believe these numbers are adjusted for purchasing power parity.

    Here are the numbers.

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    1AD –

    India: 32%
    China: 25.4%
    UK, Germany, and France: 3.7%
    Japan: 1.1%
    US: 0.3%

    1000AD -

    India: 27.8%
    China: 22.7%
    UK, Germany, and France: 4.1%
    Japan: 2.6%
    US: 0.4%

    1500AD -

    India: 24.4%
    China: 24.9%
    UK, Germany, and France: 8.9%
    Japan: 3.1%
    US: 0.3%

    1600AD-

    India: 22.4%
    China: 29%
    UK, Germany, and France: 10.3%
    Japan: 2.9%
    US: 0.2%

    1700AD -

    India: 24.5%
    China: 22.3%
    UK, Germany, and France: 11.8%
    Japan: 4.1%
    US: 0.1%

    1820AD -

    India: 16.1%
    China: 33%
    UK, Germany, and France: 14.2%
    Japan: 3%
    US: 1.8%

    1870AD -

    India: 12.2%
    China: 17.1%
    UK, Germany, and France: 22%
    Japan: 2.3%
    US: 8.9%

    1913AD -

    India: 7.5%
    China: 8.8%
    UK, Germany, and France: 22.2%
    Japan: 2.6%
    US: 18.9%

    1950AD -

    India: 4.2%
    China: 4.6%
    UK, Germany, and France: 15.6%
    Japan: 3%
    US: 27.3%

    1980AD -

    India: 3.2%
    China: 5.2%
    UK, Germany, and France: 13.2%
    Japan: 7.8%
    US: 21.1%

    2000AD-

    India: 5.2%
    China: 11.8%
    UK, Germany, France: 11%
    Japan: 7.2%
    US: 21.9%

    2016AD-

    India: 7.5%
    China: 18.2%
    UK, Germany, and France: 7.7%
    Japan: 4.3%
    US: 15.3%

    For much of history, India was economically comparable to China. Both countries went into relative rapid decline in the 1800s and early 1900s, but China has leapfrogged into a global economic power since the early 80s. India has seen moderate progress, but its trajectory is much weaker than that of China.

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    • Replies: @Malla
    I have come across this data before but they seem just guesswork.

    I mean to get a percentage you have to calculate the whole or the entire global economy. How does one calculate the GDP of Africa in say 1 AD or 1000 AD or even 1500 AD? And if you cannot calculate that you cannot calculate the Global GDP as African GDP would be part of the global GDP and since you cannot do that, you cannot get percentages.
    It is possible to calculate per capita income much more accurately in the past but not overall GDP.

    Secondly before the industrial revolution, in the agricultural age, India did well because of have some of the best productive land in the world. Post Industrial revolution, the productivity of people matter more than productivity of land. And thus Northern Euros and North East Asians (cold climate folks) have an advantage in the post industrial revolution technological world.
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  • @Malla

    The Nords will again use tribalism to benefit them when time comes.
     
    When time comes, it is late too many decades already. If someone would have tried even the kind of multiracialism/ multiculturalism in India in say the 70s-80s, there would have been civil war. the politicians who would have allowed the outsiders in would have been hunted down and hung from poles and the people would have cheered with zero guilt. Our xenophobic++ parties of our countries would have won all the seats in parliament, ALL. Just try settling even 1 million blacks or any other race in our billion+ population and you will see what I am talking about.
    And it is because of that we will, survive as a people.
    And this even if we were to have built a global empire and raped and pillaged the whole world, nobody would have been able to sell us mass immigration. You could have gone to the bazaars of Allahabad and tried to convince the local bhayiya that since we Indians have plundered the world, justice will be done by allowing peoples of other continents/regions to settle en mass amongst us. You would have laughed out of the place, and probably peed in the process (You do not know what U.P. bhaiyas are) and you would have been the butt of jokes for some days.

    Once the Nords were heroes to the desperate desi. Now the humble desi comes back to save the desperate Nord.
     
    You are neither Nord nor desi. So why is the humble brown desi me, so called saving the 'desperate' Nord giving you such a mighty ass itch? Why you getting so triggered by this? What could be the reason? Hmmmmm....

    Our xenophobic++ parties of our countries would have won all the seats in parliament, ALL. Just try settling even 1 million blacks or any other race in our billion+ population and you will see what I am talking about.
    And it is because of that we will, survive as a people.
    And this even if we were to have built a global empire and raped and pillaged the whole world, nobody would have been able to sell us mass immigration. You could have gone to the bazaars of Allahabad and tried to convince the local bhayiya that since we Indians have plundered the world, justice will be done by allowing peoples of other continents/regions to settle en mass amongst us. You would have laughed out of the place, and probably peed in the process

    There are something like 15-20 million Bangladeshi illegal aliens in India. According to news sources, leftist Indian politicians are attempting to add these migrants to the voter rolls.

    India does have a much larger population than America, but its economy is much weaker. If India were more affluent, there’d likely be even more Bangladeshi illegals in their country.

    I have no idea if Indians buy into multiculturalism, but their nation is being impacted by mass migration. Most of this is driven by economics and overpopulation.

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    One prominent economic historian estimated GDP share, by nation, throughout history. I believe these numbers are adjusted for purchasing power parity.

    Here are the numbers.

    1AD -

    India: 32%
    China: 25.4%
    UK, Germany, and France: 3.7%
    Japan: 1.1%
    US: 0.3%

    1000AD -

    India: 27.8%
    China: 22.7%
    UK, Germany, and France: 4.1%
    Japan: 2.6%
    US: 0.4%

    1500AD -

    India: 24.4%
    China: 24.9%
    UK, Germany, and France: 8.9%
    Japan: 3.1%
    US: 0.3%

    1600AD-

    India: 22.4%
    China: 29%
    UK, Germany, and France: 10.3%
    Japan: 2.9%
    US: 0.2%

    1700AD -

    India: 24.5%
    China: 22.3%
    UK, Germany, and France: 11.8%
    Japan: 4.1%
    US: 0.1%

    1820AD -

    India: 16.1%
    China: 33%
    UK, Germany, and France: 14.2%
    Japan: 3%
    US: 1.8%

    1870AD -

    India: 12.2%
    China: 17.1%
    UK, Germany, and France: 22%
    Japan: 2.3%
    US: 8.9%

    1913AD -

    India: 7.5%
    China: 8.8%
    UK, Germany, and France: 22.2%
    Japan: 2.6%
    US: 18.9%

    1950AD -

    India: 4.2%
    China: 4.6%
    UK, Germany, and France: 15.6%
    Japan: 3%
    US: 27.3%

    1980AD -

    India: 3.2%
    China: 5.2%
    UK, Germany, and France: 13.2%
    Japan: 7.8%
    US: 21.1%

    2000AD-

    India: 5.2%
    China: 11.8%
    UK, Germany, France: 11%
    Japan: 7.2%
    US: 21.9%

    2016AD-

    India: 7.5%
    China: 18.2%
    UK, Germany, and France: 7.7%
    Japan: 4.3%
    US: 15.3%

    For much of history, India was economically comparable to China. Both countries went into relative rapid decline in the 1800s and early 1900s, but China has leapfrogged into a global economic power since the early 80s. India has seen moderate progress, but its trajectory is much weaker than that of China.
    , @Malla

    There are something like 15-20 million Bangladeshi illegal aliens in India.
     
    They are racially very similar. It is like Poles going to England. The government has built a Wall in between both the countries.
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  • @Malla

    The Nords will again use tribalism to benefit them when time comes.
     
    When time comes, it is late too many decades already. If someone would have tried even the kind of multiracialism/ multiculturalism in India in say the 70s-80s, there would have been civil war. the politicians who would have allowed the outsiders in would have been hunted down and hung from poles and the people would have cheered with zero guilt. Our xenophobic++ parties of our countries would have won all the seats in parliament, ALL. Just try settling even 1 million blacks or any other race in our billion+ population and you will see what I am talking about.
    And it is because of that we will, survive as a people.
    And this even if we were to have built a global empire and raped and pillaged the whole world, nobody would have been able to sell us mass immigration. You could have gone to the bazaars of Allahabad and tried to convince the local bhayiya that since we Indians have plundered the world, justice will be done by allowing peoples of other continents/regions to settle en mass amongst us. You would have laughed out of the place, and probably peed in the process (You do not know what U.P. bhaiyas are) and you would have been the butt of jokes for some days.

    Once the Nords were heroes to the desperate desi. Now the humble desi comes back to save the desperate Nord.
     
    You are neither Nord nor desi. So why is the humble brown desi me, so called saving the 'desperate' Nord giving you such a mighty ass itch? Why you getting so triggered by this? What could be the reason? Hmmmmm....

    You are neither Nord nor desi. So why is the humble brown desi me, so called saving the ‘desperate’ Nord giving you such a mighty ass itch? Why you getting so triggered by this? What could be the reason? Hmmmmm….

    I don’t think you have a good understanding of American politics or any commitment to “human rights” in your mind. Or even a decent legal theory of property in the U.S. The American legal system isn’t based on the laws of Manu. And even if you don’t believe in any of these ideas, you should at least accept the custom and historical precedents Americans use to keep a stable system.

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    I don’t think you have a good understanding of American politics or any commitment to “human rights” in your mind. Or even a decent legal theory of property in the U.S. The American legal system isn’t based on the laws of Manu.
     
    The Commies who have been encouraging post 1965 non White immigration do not give a damn about your legal property theory. They respect it for now, because the time is not right yet.

    any commitment to “human rights'
     
    LOL. Please stop, human rights? right? Libtards are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to human rights.

    And even if you don’t believe in any of these ideas, you should at least accept the custom and historical precedents Americans use to keep a stable system.
     
    It wont last very long, you can take to the bank. Why do you think 'they' allowed non White mass immigration in the first place?
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  • @Hacienda
    Lothrop Stoddard believed Nordics were the best race, Alpine second, Medish third, and Jews on the bottom (but above Asiatics and the not even comparable to the unspeakable African), using the limited and parochial metrics of the 19th century. Current metrics, summation of another century of history plus and new metrics about the races leaves that judgement highly questionable? Look, I generally like Nordics- Gary Busey, Nick Nolte, Dolph Lundgren, even Trump on occasion. They produce tech and Nobels like nobody and maybe even got the Jews motivated to do the same. The cheery Nordic is a light on the earth. But they're socially skittish or stiff as rods, and more often than not narcissistic. You can twist things and argue non-Nordics/Alpines/Meds are technologically parasitic on the Nordics/Alpines/Meds. (But don't dare say that after the great Jewish revolution in physics starting with Einstein and Bohr). But I believe Nordics are parasitic upon the social energies of non-Nordics and developement of military technology with colored people used as lab rats. The Nordic sharpening his knife upon the skinned leather of a colored man. I grew up with Nordics. I know how they talk and think. At that time at least, it was always about the blacks this, blacks that. Browns this, browns that. Jews, this, Jews that. They liked Asians as long as Asians knew their place. It was always we Nordics are so damn wonderful. What must they have been like pre-WWI and II? Is that not a kind of parasitism itself? The thesis dependent upon the anti-thesis? Do you wish to return to those times? Do you believe whites deserve a return to those times?

    developement of military technology with colored people used as lab rats

    Yes evil blue eyed devil Nords always use non Nords as guinea pigs to test their evil destructive weapons. One good example was the unnecessary bombing of Dresden and Hamburg.

    No wait, what is wrong here? I see dead Nords mercilessly and unnecessarily killed.

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    • Replies: @Singh
    You can have christian values without having officially converted yet.

    The point Hindus make is that yes there were reform movements & the British changed a localized system to a nationwide one.

    You're really unaware of how they displaced lower caste land owners & entrenched feudalism even more.

    Why do you use Saint continuously then instead of Sant?

    Hindus say that these movements would take care of problems in the absence of foreign rule.

    You'll say I'm changing narrative or tune but you just only read anglo sources, decrying anything showing your people in favorable light as facism.

    Your enlightenment values are christian in nature.

    https://twitter.com/neha_aks/status/948549922441322496?s=17

    Can't find the thread that actually described it but u don't care. Ur non chalant views on BD illegals shows just that,
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  • @Hacienda

    Hence separate the Nords from the non Nords. If Nords are so bad, why are non Nords dying to live with them.
     
    Why are Nords always in non-Nords countries if Nords want the non-Nords to stay away? If a non-Nord marries a Nord, don't they cancel each other out equally? Who is destroying whom? How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

    I have been with loads of Nords. My impression of Nords are that they are probably one of the least tribal people on Earth. Nords easily accept you as ‘one of them’ depending on your behavior and attitude. And I found this dangerous, the world is full of brainwashed idiots who are full of hatred and jealousy for Nords, many clamouring to finish Nords off
     
    Are you accusing me of Nord hate? Nord jealousy? Not me. I saw through the sad Nord reality long ago. And who really hates Nords? Only people who live in the memory of some distant crimes committed by the Nords. People who haven't caught up to the present reality of the Nords. (Although I'll add the caveat there are still legitimate grievances to be had with the Nords by some races.) And surely, you enjoy playing the role of the desi protector of the Nords. Once the Nords were heroes to the desperate desi. Now the humble desi comes back to save the desperate Nord.

    But most non Nords are tribal as hell.
     
    Well, people use tribalism when it benefits them, and anti-tribalism when it benefits them. For me tribal/non-tribal hedge means very little. The Nords will again use tribalism to benefit them when time comes.

    The Nords will again use tribalism to benefit them when time comes.

    When time comes, it is late too many decades already. If someone would have tried even the kind of multiracialism/ multiculturalism in India in say the 70s-80s, there would have been civil war. the politicians who would have allowed the outsiders in would have been hunted down and hung from poles and the people would have cheered with zero guilt. Our xenophobic++ parties of our countries would have won all the seats in parliament, ALL. Just try settling even 1 million blacks or any other race in our billion+ population and you will see what I am talking about.
    And it is because of that we will, survive as a people.
    And this even if we were to have built a global empire and raped and pillaged the whole world, nobody would have been able to sell us mass immigration. You could have gone to the bazaars of Allahabad and tried to convince the local bhayiya that since we Indians have plundered the world, justice will be done by allowing peoples of other continents/regions to settle en mass amongst us. You would have laughed out of the place, and probably peed in the process (You do not know what U.P. bhaiyas are) and you would have been the butt of jokes for some days.

    Once the Nords were heroes to the desperate desi. Now the humble desi comes back to save the desperate Nord.

    You are neither Nord nor desi. So why is the humble brown desi me, so called saving the ‘desperate’ Nord giving you such a mighty ass itch? Why you getting so triggered by this? What could be the reason? Hmmmmm….

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    You are neither Nord nor desi. So why is the humble brown desi me, so called saving the ‘desperate’ Nord giving you such a mighty ass itch? Why you getting so triggered by this? What could be the reason? Hmmmmm….
     
    I don't think you have a good understanding of American politics or any commitment to "human rights" in your mind. Or even a decent legal theory of property in the U.S. The American legal system isn't based on the laws of Manu. And even if you don't believe in any of these ideas, you should at least accept the custom and historical precedents Americans use to keep a stable system.
    , @JohnnyWalker123

    Our xenophobic++ parties of our countries would have won all the seats in parliament, ALL. Just try settling even 1 million blacks or any other race in our billion+ population and you will see what I am talking about.
    And it is because of that we will, survive as a people.
    And this even if we were to have built a global empire and raped and pillaged the whole world, nobody would have been able to sell us mass immigration. You could have gone to the bazaars of Allahabad and tried to convince the local bhayiya that since we Indians have plundered the world, justice will be done by allowing peoples of other continents/regions to settle en mass amongst us. You would have laughed out of the place, and probably peed in the process

     

    There are something like 15-20 million Bangladeshi illegal aliens in India. According to news sources, leftist Indian politicians are attempting to add these migrants to the voter rolls.

    India does have a much larger population than America, but its economy is much weaker. If India were more affluent, there'd likely be even more Bangladeshi illegals in their country.

    I have no idea if Indians buy into multiculturalism, but their nation is being impacted by mass migration. Most of this is driven by economics and overpopulation.
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  • @Hacienda

    Hence separate the Nords from the non Nords. If Nords are so bad, why are non Nords dying to live with them.
     
    Why are Nords always in non-Nords countries if Nords want the non-Nords to stay away? If a non-Nord marries a Nord, don't they cancel each other out equally? Who is destroying whom? How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

    I have been with loads of Nords. My impression of Nords are that they are probably one of the least tribal people on Earth. Nords easily accept you as ‘one of them’ depending on your behavior and attitude. And I found this dangerous, the world is full of brainwashed idiots who are full of hatred and jealousy for Nords, many clamouring to finish Nords off
     
    Are you accusing me of Nord hate? Nord jealousy? Not me. I saw through the sad Nord reality long ago. And who really hates Nords? Only people who live in the memory of some distant crimes committed by the Nords. People who haven't caught up to the present reality of the Nords. (Although I'll add the caveat there are still legitimate grievances to be had with the Nords by some races.) And surely, you enjoy playing the role of the desi protector of the Nords. Once the Nords were heroes to the desperate desi. Now the humble desi comes back to save the desperate Nord.

    But most non Nords are tribal as hell.
     
    Well, people use tribalism when it benefits them, and anti-tribalism when it benefits them. For me tribal/non-tribal hedge means very little. The Nords will again use tribalism to benefit them when time comes.

    Why are Nords always in non-Nords countries if Nords want the non-Nords to stay away?

    Who cares, since Nords are parasites, non Nords would avoid them anyways. Even if Nords never went to non Nord countries, you think non Nords would not want to live in Nord countries? Only a fool will believe that. I am against Western interference in the world, but even without it, millions of non Nords will want to live with lowly Nords.
    Any animal in this world will fell predators and if possible parasites. If Nords are parasites, non Nords would be fleeing Nord countries. You would have to kidnap them to get them to a Nord country only for them to flee across the border.
    And if non Nords coming to Nord countries is payback, I demand 300 million Hindus be given citizenship to prosperous Islamic countries of the Gulf and Turkey NOW for all the rape, plunder and murder of the last 1000 years.

    Are you accusing me of Nord hate? Nord jealousy?

    Are you for real? I never did that.

    And who really hates Nords?

    Many non Nords. Trust me I have seen this.

    Once the Nords were heroes to the desperate desi. Now the humble desi comes back to save the desperate Nord.

    I am no hero but why not? There is something called returning the favour.

    Well, people use tribalism when it benefits them, and anti-tribalism when it benefits them. For me tribal/non-tribal hedge means very little.

    You do not understand how the world works. We desis are tribal by nature and always have been more tribal then Nords ever were and ever can be. In magnitudes more. It is in our DNA.

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  • @Malla

    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built ‘civilize’ us.
     
    Civilize us did not mean we never had a civilization before the Europeans came. The British scholars themselves researched our history for us and told us about the glories of ancient India. Who deciphered the ancient Brahmi script? We Indians had forgotten about this script completely.

    It was the remarkable gifted genius Englishman James Princep, a man who did so much for Indian history.

    https://www.outlookindia.com/public/uploads/editor/2016-06-24/1466750357.jpg

    Prinsep “restored Aurangzeb’s Mosque”, he “built a bridge” that was a difficult task, and decoding an “ancient Indian script”. Auragzeb Mosque? Bridge? What, where? The results merely suggest Mr Prinsep was an accomplished British Engineer.

    James Prinsep was much more than that. He was responsible for many firsts in India: identifying bad health with mosquitos and still water, building first detailed city map (comparable to Google Earth imagery), the first powered ceiling fan, first human flight on Indian skies, high precision weighing machine, archeological restoration, introducing the West to a romantic relationship with India’s river ghats and more. His achievements and his dedication to India and its people is something that we would be compelled to remember for times to come. This is a story of extraordinary efforts and achievements, coming from a seemingly ordinary person, who lived in difficulty himself. This is a story that inspires.

    He would spend hours in the cool breeze of the Ghats. He grew increasingly passionate about the Ghats of Benaras, built little over a century earlier by the Marathas. During his 7-9 years of stay in Benras, he made numerous sketches of the Ghats, including some paintings with his artist & businessman brother William Prinsep who visited him in 1830. The masterpieces traveled outside and across the world and introduced the Western world to the enchantment of Benaras over the next few decades.


    Prinsep was endowed with two great qualities. He had a mind of enquiry and had a knack for applying his knowledge. These would ensure that he did not limit his stay to merely enjoying India. He found scope for doing a lot of things in Benaras. He began waking up early and would finish off his office work by breakfast time. Then devote his time and energies to his passions. And his passion was to apply the knowledge of science. He built, what was then the world’s most sensitive weighing balance, capable of weighing a spec of dust. He was pained to see the high rate of mortality in the local population. He inferred that the cause was mosquitoes and germs, promoted by the marshy land pockets of Benaras. At his own cost and efforts, he undertook an engineering project to drain the waters. This gave a huge fillip to his already growing popularity among the people of Benras. People gifted him a ground. This time, he used his engineering skills to level the ground to a flat non-flooding landmass, and returned it as a gift to the people for making of a bazaar! Charles Allen (author) notes that this generosity was extended at a time when Prinsep was literally poor himself, with a job that could go anytime because his boss wanted someone else (a friend – the Company reeled under nepotism, one always needed a connection). Then Prinsep takes up two important assignments. One was to restore the crumbling mosque built by Aurangzeb (popularly known as the mosque of Aurangazeb) near the Ghats. The mosque had tilted towards the river and was destined to fall eventually. Prinsep observed the complex structure of building and its towers, taking note of the composition brick-by-brick. The building was dismantled in a brick by brick fashion and then reassembled into an enforced building! The next was a stone bridge over the river Karamnasa. Nobody had succeeded in making a river on this in a century long efforts before him. But my understanding is that this was more a social challenge than an architectural one. The river’s waters were supposed to be cursed and were believed to be a killer for the mere mortals. Only Brahmins could touch the waters and emerge unharmed. Aparently there was a flourishing business wherein some such ‘empowered’ people made a living by transporting people on their backs, for the touch of the river was corroding. Looks like that Mr. Prinsep’s real success was being able to carry out the work with popular support of people, overcoming the resistance of a small section that had frustrated every previous effort. A stone bridge was made over the river and exists today

    Prinsep started taking keen interest in the Asiatic Society. In those times, survey and civil engineering work put together were throwing up fresh archeological sites at a great pace. Most importantly, coins were coming up from across India. All of these were being sent to the capital of British India. After the death of Sir William Jones, there had been a sort of vacuum in this field. To be fair, the French and Germans were doing equally good work, if not better, in studying India in the 18th century. But in the 19th century, they did not have access to archeological evidences from India, as whole of India, Ceylon and Burma passed into British control. The coins had a lot to tell about our heritage. But there wasn’t anyone to listen to what these coins had to say. James began to apply his scientific abilities to understand what the coins said. I had a look at some of these coins recently at the Indian Museum. Each coin had a few strokes of lines besides a picture. If this was text, there was too little of it to allow anyone to understand the patterns in it.

    To allow him to work (study) longer and more efficiently in Calcutta’s hot and humid weather, James produced what was probably the very first mechanized ceiling fan in India. He employed steam to power the punkhas, that produced better results than the human powered ceiling fans. With these fans, now he could work better and longer. During these fruitful years, James Prinsep established himself as the “code breaker”. He began to understand the patterns in the coins and inscriptions and deciphered the ancient languages. He began to connect what was said in the Sanskrit script with current places and relics. All these put together, he was able to draw up an invaluable pile of information --- the genealogical charts of ancient Indian dynasties. This information confirmed many of Sir Jones’ works, and also corrected some of Sir Jones’ work. Now what was available was a history of India. Answers began to flow; such as which dynasty ruled which geographical part of the country and at what time, details of particular administrations etc.

    Then Prinsep moved to the next level. Problem: a large amount of inscriptions and coins related to an entirely unknown script. The letters of this script were strange and bore no resemblance to other found in coins and inscriptions, in either the pattern or specifics. Nor was this similar to any living language. In 1838, after nearly 10 long years of arduous efforts, Prinsep unfolded this as the Bramhi script. This single discovery opened a window to the lost world – a vista to Ancient India.

    Prinsep was a serious man with serious devotion to work. But it seems to me that he was even more a family man, a fun loving man. His younger brother Thomas died after falling from a horse, while working on Calcutta’s salt water lakes. James Prinsep wanted to complete his late brother’s work and restore honour. He set about draining the salt water bodies by building canals and reclaimed lands. Another first shows the scientific, yet fun-loving part of this man. A Frenchman appeared in Calcutta around then with a giant ballon, with the dream of flying over the magnificent city and its famed river. But there was no possibility of achieving this, for no-one in India had the faintest idea of how to make this work. Prinsep took the challenge and risked creating the gas mixture that would fly a giant gas balloon. This translated into the first ever human flight on Indian soil (since Krishna’s flight on Garuda?).

    More about him here
    https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/as-the-script-spreads-across-the-spectrum/297397
    The British Engineer who unlocked the history of India for us Indians

    By civilize, it means that bringing the ideas of the enlightenment to India. Europeans too had a middle age where a lot of wrong things like witch burning were taking place. They reformed their culture and then brought this spirit of reformation to India, removing the negative sides of our culture. Civilize us, does not mean we never had a civilization before they came, even the British would have laughed at the idea that we did not have a civilization before they came to India. What is strange is Hinduwadi Indian nationalists would not have known a lot about the glories of ancient India, they bleat about, without people like James Princep

    As far as the British living on dog meat, whatever that means, check this out

    https://www.visitlincoln.com/media/photography/things-to-do/lincoln-cathedral-4-web.jpg

    This is the Lincoln Cathedral in Lincoln, England. It was the tallest building in the world for 238 years (1311–1549), and the first building to hold that title after the Great Pyramid of Giza. it was the tallest building made by man which was taller than the Pyramids of Giza, taller than all the buildings in India at that time. It was built in between 1185–1311, before the East India Company was even formed and the British came to trade in India. If that is a cave built by cave dwellers, I want to live in a cave!!!!
    To build something like THAT , you need a LOT of wealth, expertise in architecture, stonemasonry, and huge numbers of skilled labour. England, 500 years before coming to India or before even sailing out to trade with the world, had that.

    When you consider people like James Princep, who was just one among so MANY, I am sure Victorian era Britain and perhaps countries like Germany probably had the highest average IQ in all human history probably equaling or surpassing the ancient Greeks. This would explain why the technological industrial age we live in today, began there. Since then the population there has deteriorated, deaths in Empire building and the World Wars etc…must have played a part as well as cultural destruction since WW2, intermarriage with other races, general dysgenics etc…

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  • @Hacienda
    Lothrop Stoddard believed Nordics were the best race, Alpine second, Medish third, and Jews on the bottom (but above Asiatics and the not even comparable to the unspeakable African), using the limited and parochial metrics of the 19th century. Current metrics, summation of another century of history plus and new metrics about the races leaves that judgement highly questionable? Look, I generally like Nordics- Gary Busey, Nick Nolte, Dolph Lundgren, even Trump on occasion. They produce tech and Nobels like nobody and maybe even got the Jews motivated to do the same. The cheery Nordic is a light on the earth. But they're socially skittish or stiff as rods, and more often than not narcissistic. You can twist things and argue non-Nordics/Alpines/Meds are technologically parasitic on the Nordics/Alpines/Meds. (But don't dare say that after the great Jewish revolution in physics starting with Einstein and Bohr). But I believe Nordics are parasitic upon the social energies of non-Nordics and developement of military technology with colored people used as lab rats. The Nordic sharpening his knife upon the skinned leather of a colored man. I grew up with Nordics. I know how they talk and think. At that time at least, it was always about the blacks this, blacks that. Browns this, browns that. Jews, this, Jews that. They liked Asians as long as Asians knew their place. It was always we Nordics are so damn wonderful. What must they have been like pre-WWI and II? Is that not a kind of parasitism itself? The thesis dependent upon the anti-thesis? Do you wish to return to those times? Do you believe whites deserve a return to those times?

    It was always we Nordics are so damn wonderful.

    LMFAO, show me one people in all the world who are not like this. Really LOL

    Hinduwadis claim that India is the most ancient civilization on Earth probably 100000000000000000000 (add zeros to your fancy) years old, all civilizations came from ancient Hindus, non Indians/ non Hindus are lowly mlechhas, like untouchables. Only Indians have culture, if others have culture, it is because they stole if from us or sat at the feet of an Indian and learnt culture. One Indian classical music maestro literally said on stage once that all non Indians have no concept of traditional music, all they have is electronic modern music, only Indian civilisation had great classical music and nobody in the audience batted an eyelid, I kid you not. No Beethovan, No Mozart for example. We Hindus are so smart and awesome. Indian genius is running the USA, UK, Australia, Japan, NASA, Microsoft, Martian spaceship factories etc….. USA is a first world power only because of Indian genius (which is strange as the USA was already an industrial power by the early 1900s when there were hardly any Asian Indians in the USA but anyways…). Indian movies galore where a White man, East Asian or a black or an Arab stops an Indian from rising up but finally looses to Indian genius. India was ‘Sone Ki Chidiya’ (Golden Bird) before the lowly Muslims and Europeans raped our lands. Each and every Indian was a billionaire before the muslims and Europeans came (why would anybody work in ancient India, maybe nobody worked at all in ancient India, we had automation already it seems) and all of us had golden toilets encrusted with jewels in our bathrooms but the British stole that gold and jewels and now we have to shit in the open fields and streets. All non Indians only want one thing, they only think of only one thing…how to keep India down. Englishmen, Nigerians, Bangladeshis, Chinese, Martians, Americans, Blue Whales, Germans etc…all of them spend their waking hours conspiring to keep our great India down (they have no other work or interest) because they know what will happen when India rises as a superpower, which will happen eventually anyways. I would say a major chunk of our population really believe the last sentence with all their heart. White people have no sexual morality at all, mothers f..k their sons, fathers f..k their sisters and it is a f..kfest, all, each and every White person does this, 100% of them, this is how they always were from the beginning of time shouts the Indian wife sleeping with her milkman. The Chinese/Japanese/Korean civilization was started only because of us Hindus (I can provide a link but your eyes will bleed). An Indian guy told me about this beautiful Indian princess from ancient Ayodhya who had married a Korean prince many centuries ago (this is actually historical fact) and the descendants of that family are best looking, most intelligent Koreans or probably the only intelligent Koreans (this is obviously b.s.). And much more…. Indeed from my childhood this is what I have been hearing all around me. And they are not kind to East Asians, Arabs or blacks too. Blacks (kalus) are primitive adivasi cannibal apes living in Africa with abnormal mutant hair, Arabs only rape and loot and live like barbarians in desert unlike our great Bharatvarsha, those abnormal mutant chinkies (chapte – flatfaceds) eat anything and everything and are just plain weird abnormal people with weird eyes (One ayurvedic baba [you find them across all India in their tents selling snake oil] told me it is a kind of disease which can be treated with Ayurveda only, I assume he is making a lot of money in the far East right now). This is the cacophony I have been hearing since my childhood all around everytime I came back to India from abroad. It is like a constant background buzz amongst many Indians.

    Jews claim they are the chosen ones, how the Jewish soul is superior to the goyim soul, without Jewish genius Europeans and the world would be living like Australian aboriginies, all great Europeans/goyim have some Jewish ancestry somewhere, Jews even if he keeps no mitzvots will go to Jewish heaven where no lowly goyim soul will ever enter, goyims who keep the laws of Noah will get a lowly heaven (I forgot to add, only guys go to Jewish heaven, so heaven is a place full of homosexual Jews, If that is the case, I personally prefer hell anyways), Jews are a miracle, everybody wants to destroy innocent Jews jealous of their genius, if the lowly goyims had any brains they would travel thousands of miles just to see a Jew (this I had read in a book by a Jewish guy, I thus envy all those lowly goyims living in New York, a lot of travel money saved), the creator of the Universe, God (Yashem, Adonai, Yahweh etc….) depends on Jews to keep all their mitzvots (rules) or the universe will crumble, when the Messiah comes, each Jew will get goyim slaves and there will be true justice on earth blah blah blah….

    Afrocentrists patter and preach about when they were flying around in pyramid space ships when we non blacks were living in caves, about the secret pawa (power) of da melanin, non blacks are not completely hue-mans (you get it hue of hue-mans, so brilliant, deserves a Nobel prize) about how India, Greece etc…were civilized by blacks (Afrocentrist Mr. Clark confidently blurted out that Ganga is the name of an Ethiopean general, but Ganga is a feminine name, she is a devi, Goddess, was the said Ethipoean general a hermaphrodite ? anyways…), how the Samurai were black, blacks have a special rhythm others cannot even imagine, aleins in UFOs are black, the world is black blah blah blah….

    The Chinese claim they are the middle kingdom. Foreign barbarian devils came and destroyed our great middle kingdom…. blah blah blah

    I can go on and on….But I am getting a headache…
    Oh wait only Nords do not have the right to feel good about themselves. They have, HAVE (It is very important this is true, cries the brown blacks) to believe they are basically cave dwellers, who somehow stole technology from everyone (I never knew you could steal technology like money, I mean even if I would steal your technology, you should still have that technology but anyways….) and thus we brown blacks are now living in stinky countries full of mudhuts and open gutters.

    What must they have been like pre-WWI and II? Is that not a kind of parasitism itself? The thesis dependent upon the anti-thesis? Do you wish to return to those times? Do you believe whites deserve a return to those times?

    No, I never meant that. All I am saying that they deserve lands (Europe, parts of North America etc…) where they are the overwhelming majority with no Jewish/banker influence, that’s it.. Like in India, I can go for months without seeing an non Indian, something like that for the Nords, except that India is VERY MUCH under Jewish/banker control behind the scenes. No more British/French Empires please. It will mean more ammo to beat the Whites with in the future. Leave the brown blacks to their misery or progress.
    That is why the U.S. empire has to stop fast.

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    All I am saying that they deserve lands (Europe, parts of North America etc…) where they are the overwhelming majority with no Jewish/banker influence, that’s it.. Like in India, I can go for months without seeing an non Indian, something like that for the Nords, except that India is VERY MUCH under Jewish/banker control behind the scenes. No more British/French Empires please. It will mean more ammo to beat the Whites with in the future. Leave the brown blacks to their misery or progress.
    That is why the U.S. empire has to stop fast.
     
    I agree the US needs draw down of foreign bases and reduction of military spending. I don't see why McDonalds, Starbucks, American pop entertainment needs to be anywhere. And some should not be allowed in the US. But, America is a democracy, I don't get to decide.

    US bases are in other countries because the countries ask for them. If the foreign countries ask, should the US decline? I think yes, but there are interests on both sides that keep the US military there. If American soldiers acted like louts and conquerors, the host country would definitely kick out the soldiers. But that's kind of part of the problem. American men are raised to be egalitarian, docile, orderly, polite. They can treat foreign women with a consideration not found in the men of the host countries. And Hollywood has trained the world into thinking the American male is at least an interesting male. Trained the world into accepting the smiley, good natured American. Which the American male has also been trained into. Now the world is being trained into accepting rap and the culture of black Americans. The Philippines asked the US to leave and the US did. And there was a period before Duterte that the Philippines were considering asking the US to return. They discovered that losing the money from Subic was more painful than they had assumed it would be.

    Similarly with McDonalds, Walmart, Starbucks, Apple, Chanel, etc. All these companies don't need to be in non-Western countries. But OTOH, they are in these countries voluntarily. If the people didn't buy the products, or the governments banned them, they wouldn't be there.

    The only solution to Westernizing seems to be a hard authoritarian government either Western (which will not happen) or in the non-Western country.

    If as an Indian, you hate Westernizing, the problem is that you're a democracy. You can't expect Westerners to end their democracy. I think we need to new governmental form. Something where democratic rights are respected, but the soul destroying excesses of capitalism are limited. Socialism might help, but you see white Americans still prefer greed, even when couched in the language of culture. The Trump victory seems to show that. Never overestimate the intelligence of Americans.
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  • @Singh
    A racial worldview normalizes Abrahamic doctrine।।

    Otherwise an Arab & Somali have more in common with a Whites Christian than us।।

    We have more in common with a Hellen or Roman than a Pakistani।।

    You're sold out, criminal tribes act of British among other things entrenched untouchability।।

    Many areas who rebelled in 1857 are just seeing development only now. Having been kept away all this time,

    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built 'civilize' us.

    Gandhi also thought all Freedom fighters were misguided fools while preaching passive pacifism ie christianity।।

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/
    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    You're a christian & that's why you worship the british।।

    First world industrial countries have 0 social technology।।

    Industrialization led to increase in Abrahamic population so is net negative।।

    Keep cucking,

    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built ‘civilize’ us.

    Civilize us did not mean we never had a civilization before the Europeans came. The British scholars themselves researched our history for us and told us about the glories of ancient India. Who deciphered the ancient Brahmi script? We Indians had forgotten about this script completely.

    It was the remarkable gifted genius Englishman James Princep, a man who did so much for Indian history.

    Prinsep “restored Aurangzeb’s Mosque”, he “built a bridge” that was a difficult task, and decoding an “ancient Indian script”. Auragzeb Mosque? Bridge? What, where? The results merely suggest Mr Prinsep was an accomplished British Engineer.

    James Prinsep was much more than that. He was responsible for many firsts in India: identifying bad health with mosquitos and still water, building first detailed city map (comparable to Google Earth imagery), the first powered ceiling fan, first human flight on Indian skies, high precision weighing machine, archeological restoration, introducing the West to a romantic relationship with India’s river ghats and more. His achievements and his dedication to India and its people is something that we would be compelled to remember for times to come. This is a story of extraordinary efforts and achievements, coming from a seemingly ordinary person, who lived in difficulty himself. This is a story that inspires.

    He would spend hours in the cool breeze of the Ghats. He grew increasingly passionate about the Ghats of Benaras, built little over a century earlier by the Marathas. During his 7-9 years of stay in Benras, he made numerous sketches of the Ghats, including some paintings with his artist & businessman brother William Prinsep who visited him in 1830. The masterpieces traveled outside and across the world and introduced the Western world to the enchantment of Benaras over the next few decades.

    Prinsep was endowed with two great qualities. He had a mind of enquiry and had a knack for applying his knowledge. These would ensure that he did not limit his stay to merely enjoying India. He found scope for doing a lot of things in Benaras. He began waking up early and would finish off his office work by breakfast time. Then devote his time and energies to his passions. And his passion was to apply the knowledge of science. He built, what was then the world’s most sensitive weighing balance, capable of weighing a spec of dust. He was pained to see the high rate of mortality in the local population. He inferred that the cause was mosquitoes and germs, promoted by the marshy land pockets of Benaras. At his own cost and efforts, he undertook an engineering project to drain the waters. This gave a huge fillip to his already growing popularity among the people of Benras. People gifted him a ground. This time, he used his engineering skills to level the ground to a flat non-flooding landmass, and returned it as a gift to the people for making of a bazaar! Charles Allen (author) notes that this generosity was extended at a time when Prinsep was literally poor himself, with a job that could go anytime because his boss wanted someone else (a friend – the Company reeled under nepotism, one always needed a connection). Then Prinsep takes up two important assignments. One was to restore the crumbling mosque built by Aurangzeb (popularly known as the mosque of Aurangazeb) near the Ghats. The mosque had tilted towards the river and was destined to fall eventually. Prinsep observed the complex structure of building and its towers, taking note of the composition brick-by-brick. The building was dismantled in a brick by brick fashion and then reassembled into an enforced building! The next was a stone bridge over the river Karamnasa. Nobody had succeeded in making a river on this in a century long efforts before him. But my understanding is that this was more a social challenge than an architectural one. The river’s waters were supposed to be cursed and were believed to be a killer for the mere mortals. Only Brahmins could touch the waters and emerge unharmed. Aparently there was a flourishing business wherein some such ‘empowered’ people made a living by transporting people on their backs, for the touch of the river was corroding. Looks like that Mr. Prinsep’s real success was being able to carry out the work with popular support of people, overcoming the resistance of a small section that had frustrated every previous effort. A stone bridge was made over the river and exists today

    Prinsep started taking keen interest in the Asiatic Society. In those times, survey and civil engineering work put together were throwing up fresh archeological sites at a great pace. Most importantly, coins were coming up from across India. All of these were being sent to the capital of British India. After the death of Sir William Jones, there had been a sort of vacuum in this field. To be fair, the French and Germans were doing equally good work, if not better, in studying India in the 18th century. But in the 19th century, they did not have access to archeological evidences from India, as whole of India, Ceylon and Burma passed into British control. The coins had a lot to tell about our heritage. But there wasn’t anyone to listen to what these coins had to say. James began to apply his scientific abilities to understand what the coins said. I had a look at some of these coins recently at the Indian Museum. Each coin had a few strokes of lines besides a picture. If this was text, there was too little of it to allow anyone to understand the patterns in it.

    To allow him to work (study) longer and more efficiently in Calcutta’s hot and humid weather, James produced what was probably the very first mechanized ceiling fan in India. He employed steam to power the punkhas, that produced better results than the human powered ceiling fans. With these fans, now he could work better and longer. During these fruitful years, James Prinsep established himself as the “code breaker”. He began to understand the patterns in the coins and inscriptions and deciphered the ancient languages. He began to connect what was said in the Sanskrit script with current places and relics. All these put together, he was able to draw up an invaluable pile of information — the genealogical charts of ancient Indian dynasties. This information confirmed many of Sir Jones’ works, and also corrected some of Sir Jones’ work. Now what was available was a history of India. Answers began to flow; such as which dynasty ruled which geographical part of the country and at what time, details of particular administrations etc.

    Then Prinsep moved to the next level. Problem: a large amount of inscriptions and coins related to an entirely unknown script. The letters of this script were strange and bore no resemblance to other found in coins and inscriptions, in either the pattern or specifics. Nor was this similar to any living language. In 1838, after nearly 10 long years of arduous efforts, Prinsep unfolded this as the Bramhi script. This single discovery opened a window to the lost world – a vista to Ancient India.

    Prinsep was a serious man with serious devotion to work. But it seems to me that he was even more a family man, a fun loving man. His younger brother Thomas died after falling from a horse, while working on Calcutta’s salt water lakes. James Prinsep wanted to complete his late brother’s work and restore honour. He set about draining the salt water bodies by building canals and reclaimed lands. Another first shows the scientific, yet fun-loving part of this man. A Frenchman appeared in Calcutta around then with a giant ballon, with the dream of flying over the magnificent city and its famed river. But there was no possibility of achieving this, for no-one in India had the faintest idea of how to make this work. Prinsep took the challenge and risked creating the gas mixture that would fly a giant gas balloon. This translated into the first ever human flight on Indian soil (since Krishna’s flight on Garuda?).

    More about him here

    https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/as-the-script-spreads-across-the-spectrum/297397

    The British Engineer who unlocked the history of India for us Indians

    By civilize, it means that bringing the ideas of the enlightenment to India. Europeans too had a middle age where a lot of wrong things like witch burning were taking place. They reformed their culture and then brought this spirit of reformation to India, removing the negative sides of our culture. Civilize us, does not mean we never had a civilization before they came, even the British would have laughed at the idea that we did not have a civilization before they came to India. What is strange is Hinduwadi Indian nationalists would not have known a lot about the glories of ancient India, they bleat about, without people like James Princep

    As far as the British living on dog meat, whatever that means, check this out

    This is the Lincoln Cathedral in Lincoln, England. It was the tallest building in the world for 238 years (1311–1549), and the first building to hold that title after the Great Pyramid of Giza. it was the tallest building made by man which was taller than the Pyramids of Giza, taller than all the buildings in India at that time. It was built in between 1185–1311, before the East India Company was even formed and the British came to trade in India. If that is a cave built by cave dwellers, I want to live in a cave!!!!
    To build something like THAT , you need a LOT of wealth, expertise in architecture, stonemasonry, and huge numbers of skilled labour. England, 500 years before coming to India or before even sailing out to trade with the world, had that.

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    When you consider people like James Princep, who was just one among so MANY, I am sure Victorian era Britain and perhaps countries like Germany probably had the highest average IQ in all human history probably equaling or surpassing the ancient Greeks. This would explain why the technological industrial age we live in today, began there. Since then the population there has deteriorated, deaths in Empire building and the World Wars etc...must have played a part as well as cultural destruction since WW2, intermarriage with other races, general dysgenics etc...
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    But they’re socially skittish or stiff as rods,
     
    So what?

    and more often than not narcissistic.
     
    LOL, Nordic narcissism? We Indians can beat Nords in narcissism hands down. I have met more blacks who are narcissistic than Nords.

    But I believe Nordics are parasitic upon the social energies of non-Nordics and developement of military technology with colored people used as lab rats.
     
    Hence separate the Nords from the non Nords. If Nords are so bad, why are non Nords dying to live with them. The Nords are saying 'Stay away from us evil cursed lowly Nords'. But it is the non Nords who want to live in Nord countries and then simultaneously complain about Nords.

    I grew up with Nordics. I know how they talk and think. At that time at least, it was always about the blacks this, blacks that. Browns this, browns that. Jews, this, Jews that. They liked Asians as long as Asians knew their place. It was always we Nordics are so damn wonderful.
     
    I have been with loads of Nords. My impression of Nords are that they are probably one of the least tribal people on Earth. Nords easily accept you as 'one of them' depending on your behavior and attitude. And I found this dangerous, the world is full of brainwashed idiots who are full of hatred and jealousy for Nords, many clamouring to finish Nords off. Nords need to learn clannishness from us desis to save themselves.
    Nords easily accept you as 'one of them' depending on your behavior and attitude does not mean you have to kiss Nord ass, not they dislike that the most. You just have to be level headed, non tribal yourself and be socially friendly in a Nord environment. But most non Nords are tribal as hell.

    Hence separate the Nords from the non Nords. If Nords are so bad, why are non Nords dying to live with them.

    Why are Nords always in non-Nords countries if Nords want the non-Nords to stay away? If a non-Nord marries a Nord, don’t they cancel each other out equally? Who is destroying whom? How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

    I have been with loads of Nords. My impression of Nords are that they are probably one of the least tribal people on Earth. Nords easily accept you as ‘one of them’ depending on your behavior and attitude. And I found this dangerous, the world is full of brainwashed idiots who are full of hatred and jealousy for Nords, many clamouring to finish Nords off

    Are you accusing me of Nord hate? Nord jealousy? Not me. I saw through the sad Nord reality long ago. And who really hates Nords? Only people who live in the memory of some distant crimes committed by the Nords. People who haven’t caught up to the present reality of the Nords. (Although I’ll add the caveat there are still legitimate grievances to be had with the Nords by some races.) And surely, you enjoy playing the role of the desi protector of the Nords. Once the Nords were heroes to the desperate desi. Now the humble desi comes back to save the desperate Nord.

    But most non Nords are tribal as hell.

    Well, people use tribalism when it benefits them, and anti-tribalism when it benefits them. For me tribal/non-tribal hedge means very little. The Nords will again use tribalism to benefit them when time comes.

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    Why are Nords always in non-Nords countries if Nords want the non-Nords to stay away?
     
    Who cares, since Nords are parasites, non Nords would avoid them anyways. Even if Nords never went to non Nord countries, you think non Nords would not want to live in Nord countries? Only a fool will believe that. I am against Western interference in the world, but even without it, millions of non Nords will want to live with lowly Nords.
    Any animal in this world will fell predators and if possible parasites. If Nords are parasites, non Nords would be fleeing Nord countries. You would have to kidnap them to get them to a Nord country only for them to flee across the border.
    And if non Nords coming to Nord countries is payback, I demand 300 million Hindus be given citizenship to prosperous Islamic countries of the Gulf and Turkey NOW for all the rape, plunder and murder of the last 1000 years.

    Are you accusing me of Nord hate? Nord jealousy?
     
    Are you for real? I never did that.

    And who really hates Nords?
     
    Many non Nords. Trust me I have seen this.

    Once the Nords were heroes to the desperate desi. Now the humble desi comes back to save the desperate Nord.

     

    I am no hero but why not? There is something called returning the favour.

    Well, people use tribalism when it benefits them, and anti-tribalism when it benefits them. For me tribal/non-tribal hedge means very little.
     
    You do not understand how the world works. We desis are tribal by nature and always have been more tribal then Nords ever were and ever can be. In magnitudes more. It is in our DNA.
    , @Malla

    The Nords will again use tribalism to benefit them when time comes.
     
    When time comes, it is late too many decades already. If someone would have tried even the kind of multiracialism/ multiculturalism in India in say the 70s-80s, there would have been civil war. the politicians who would have allowed the outsiders in would have been hunted down and hung from poles and the people would have cheered with zero guilt. Our xenophobic++ parties of our countries would have won all the seats in parliament, ALL. Just try settling even 1 million blacks or any other race in our billion+ population and you will see what I am talking about.
    And it is because of that we will, survive as a people.
    And this even if we were to have built a global empire and raped and pillaged the whole world, nobody would have been able to sell us mass immigration. You could have gone to the bazaars of Allahabad and tried to convince the local bhayiya that since we Indians have plundered the world, justice will be done by allowing peoples of other continents/regions to settle en mass amongst us. You would have laughed out of the place, and probably peed in the process (You do not know what U.P. bhaiyas are) and you would have been the butt of jokes for some days.

    Once the Nords were heroes to the desperate desi. Now the humble desi comes back to save the desperate Nord.
     
    You are neither Nord nor desi. So why is the humble brown desi me, so called saving the 'desperate' Nord giving you such a mighty ass itch? Why you getting so triggered by this? What could be the reason? Hmmmmm....
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  • @Singh
    A racial worldview normalizes Abrahamic doctrine।।

    Otherwise an Arab & Somali have more in common with a Whites Christian than us।।

    We have more in common with a Hellen or Roman than a Pakistani।।

    You're sold out, criminal tribes act of British among other things entrenched untouchability।।

    Many areas who rebelled in 1857 are just seeing development only now. Having been kept away all this time,

    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built 'civilize' us.

    Gandhi also thought all Freedom fighters were misguided fools while preaching passive pacifism ie christianity।।

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/
    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    You're a christian & that's why you worship the british।।

    First world industrial countries have 0 social technology।।

    Industrialization led to increase in Abrahamic population so is net negative।।

    Keep cucking,

    Khalsa (Sikhism) religion is against caste. Why are some Sikhs importing caste system into Sikh community.
    From

    http://sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/79669-are-pro-caste-jatts-the-new-hindu-brahmins-of-our-sikh-kaum/

    the poster Genie writes

    “I was having a conversation with two Sikh guys of different caste backgrounds and they both told me they avoid jatti girls now because they are such a disgrace to Sikhi.

    They both said these days jattis and jatts are only interested in being in their own hindu brahmin given caste than listen to their Guru’s and marry someone who is a Sikh regardless of caste.

    One was telling me how he was getting to know this girl who calls herself a proud Sikh girl on a dating site but has slept around with white guys and see’s it as not a problem to be with non-sikh guys but her parents would flat out refuse her marrying any non-jatt Sikh guy so while she is sleeping around with non-sikh guys when it comes to marriage they will allow her to marry a white or jatt guy only.

    The other guy told me that he was getting to know this Sikh girl who seemed to tick all the boxes he is looking for in a girl until she asked for his surname, he said singh but then she said no whats your real surname. Being a Sikh he said singh again then she brought out her true intentions and openly asked what caste he was. He just said he is a Sikh and he doesnt believe in castes. And Sikhi is against castes so are you a castist or a Sikh? She said she is a sikh but for her parents sake she has to marry the same caste. He then told her good luck and blocked her from his contacts.

    Now brothers and sisters, if this is the state we are in where these girls mainly from the jatt articial brahmin hindu caste system only want to marry within their own caste against Sikhi and yet sleeping around with white guys then there is a serious issue in our kaum that needs addressing.

    Jatts are not alone in this, some of the tharkhan/ramgharia’s girls are also holding out on the same ancient backward hindu caste belief system. Brahmin Hindu pandit’s must be laughing their heads of at the state of our supposedly anti-caste religion. Once the brahmin priestly class could only dream of making Sikhs of the Guru’s believe in discriminatory caste system but now they have managed to influence and pump up the various castes against each other to stick with their brahmin given castes their job is half done to Hinduise and keep Sikhs disunited.

    This is how inter-faith anti Sikh antics start when pendu punjabi castist parents tell their daughters you can marry anyone as long as its a gora (White) or same caste…. these girls need get it into their heads that being with a fellow sikh regardless of their race or caste is the correct way of thinking.”

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  • @Malla

    You’re a christian
     
    Wow, I am a 'Christian'!!! Typical Hinduwadi logic.
    That explains why I was telling Europeans to give up Christianity and take up the Aryan religion of Zoroastrianism.

    I had posted the post below in Unz.com on November 19th


    “Christianity was better than most religions”
    Christianity is good but Zoroastrianism is better, closer to the Aryan soul and does not have the self hate ‘born a sinner’ mentality of Christianity. Christianity is good but you just cannot remove the Semitic crap at it’s core.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/08/04/immortality-and-the-eternal-quest-for-excellence/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2013/01/03/is-god-the-mirror-image-of-man-in-zoroastrianism/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2013/08/12/the-poetic-gathas-according-and-will-to-become-godlike/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2012/11/22/why-do-bad-things-happen-to-the-innocent-and-the-good/

    This religion is Aryanism concentrated and can be easily adopted by the European mind and soul.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/10/17/moslem-designation-of-the-vikings-as-majus-or-heathen-zoroastrians-and-the-maga-fellowship-of-zarathustra/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2017/03/06/frya-or-love-in-the-gathas-old-norse-freya-and-frigg/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2011/10/17/ayathrima-the-last-autumnal-thanksgiving-festival-and-celtic-samhain/
     

    Please tell me, why would a 'Christian' tell others to take up a different religion? I am expecting your answer.

    I am not anti Hindu, I am just saying Hinduism has some negative sides to it just like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Shinto etc... have their negative sides too.

    Sorry, the earlier comment about me being a Christian was directed at Singh and not Ron Unz. If possible I ask the webmasters of this website to correct this.
    Regards.

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  • @Ron Unz

    So you have never even lived in the US? No wonder your knowledge is so incomplete.
     
    Well, Malla seems to be exceptionally knowledgeable about Indian history and society, and also admirably level-headed and objective in his appraisals. Admittedly, my own knowledge of India is rather scanty, so my verdict should be taken with a grain of salt, but that's my strong impression.

    And although he claims to be an Indian from India, he also seems to have a rather good grasp of many aspects of American society, despite not having lived here.

    Meanwhile, that "Thomm" fellow is simply a laughingstock.

    His description of American history and society is so totally ludicrous, I find it very difficult to believe he actually went to school here, let alone that he's the "native-born American" he dishonestly claims to be. Furthermore, his style of writing seems to mark him as an agitated foreigner who learned English as an adult rather than someone who grew up with English as his first language.

    Given that he's endlessly denouncing "WNs" and anti-immigrationists in the crudest manner, he's almost certainly a non-white foreign immigrant himself, practicing a bit of "Internet crypsis." Despite his endless emphasis on "IQ," the crudeness and ignorance of his arguments, and his very mediocre writing style hardly suggest that he's actually too strong in that regard, let alone well-educated. Overall, he reminds me a bit of that "attilathehen" character, who's also always prattling on about IQ, but comes across as a possible borderline mental-defective.

    Although it's difficult to be sure of his country of origin, early on, before others cited the pattern, he used to endlessly boast about the tremendous and growing success of Indians, both in India and especially in America. In all my years on the Internet, the only people I've ever encountered who talk like that are themselves Indians, and they do so quite frequently. So despite Malla's doubts, I strongly suspect that's exactly what he is.

    My small website certainly attracts all sorts of rather curious individuals...

    You’re a christian

    Wow, I am a ‘Christian’!!! Typical Hinduwadi logic.
    That explains why I was telling Europeans to give up Christianity and take up the Aryan religion of Zoroastrianism.

    I had posted the post below in Unz.com on November 19th

    “Christianity was better than most religions”
    Christianity is good but Zoroastrianism is better, closer to the Aryan soul and does not have the self hate ‘born a sinner’ mentality of Christianity. Christianity is good but you just cannot remove the Semitic crap at it’s core.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/08/04/immortality-and-the-eternal-quest-for-excellence/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2013/01/03/is-god-the-mirror-image-of-man-in-zoroastrianism/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2013/08/12/the-poetic-gathas-according-and-will-to-become-godlike/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2012/11/22/why-do-bad-things-happen-to-the-innocent-and-the-good/

    This religion is Aryanism concentrated and can be easily adopted by the European mind and soul.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/10/17/moslem-designation-of-the-vikings-as-majus-or-heathen-zoroastrians-and-the-maga-fellowship-of-zarathustra/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2017/03/06/frya-or-love-in-the-gathas-old-norse-freya-and-frigg/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2011/10/17/ayathrima-the-last-autumnal-thanksgiving-festival-and-celtic-samhain/

    Please tell me, why would a ‘Christian’ tell others to take up a different religion? I am expecting your answer.

    I am not anti Hindu, I am just saying Hinduism has some negative sides to it just like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Shinto etc… have their negative sides too.

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    Sorry, the earlier comment about me being a Christian was directed at Singh and not Ron Unz. If possible I ask the webmasters of this website to correct this.
    Regards.
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  • @Singh
    A racial worldview normalizes Abrahamic doctrine।।

    Otherwise an Arab & Somali have more in common with a Whites Christian than us।।

    We have more in common with a Hellen or Roman than a Pakistani।।

    You're sold out, criminal tribes act of British among other things entrenched untouchability।।

    Many areas who rebelled in 1857 are just seeing development only now. Having been kept away all this time,

    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built 'civilize' us.

    Gandhi also thought all Freedom fighters were misguided fools while preaching passive pacifism ie christianity।।

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/
    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    You're a christian & that's why you worship the british।।

    First world industrial countries have 0 social technology।।

    Industrialization led to increase in Abrahamic population so is net negative।।

    Keep cucking,

    You’re sold out, criminal tribes act of British among other things entrenched untouchability।।

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/

    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    I am tired of the lies and blatant propaganda of these Hinduvadis, children of the theosophist liars.

    http://www.myguru.in/The-Sant-Eknath.htm

    Sant (Saint) Eknath (1533–1599), a Hindu saint much before the British came to India was an opponent of untoucability though he was a Brahmin himself.

    Eknath was one of the earliest reformers of untouchability in Maharashtra, working as he was in the late Middle Ages. In times when Brahmins even avoided the shadow and the voice of an untouchable, he publicly showed courtesy toward untouchables and frequented them. Once he saved the life of a Mahar child, rescuing it from the scorching heat ,the child was wandering in the hot sand of the Godavari. The Brahmins of the village got angry at Eknath imparting his touch to the body of a backward. In an act meant to mollify them, he famously took a bath in the same river to wash away the impurity, hoping they would see the inhumanity of their taboos

    Singh is the typical Hinduwadi bhakt liar who blames the British for all the brutality created by Brahmins. If the British were responsible for entrenching untouchability, what was Saint Eknath fighting against? He died, one year before the East India Company was even formed in London. And for the last 70 years, millions of Indians have been brought up on anti-British lies and propaganda you see Singh is spreading.
    Singh explain plez, why was Saint Eknath fighting against untouchability before the British came if the British were responsible for entrenching Untouchability? You are writing typical Brahminwadi lies and propaganda, somehow Brahmins are experts in this and India is unfortunately blessed with a lot of low IQ idiots to believe this crap. What is so sad and unfair is that the British who played a big part in improving the condition of the deprived lower castes are being blamed for starting the caste system while the Brahmins and other upper castes who enjoyed the fruits of this brutal system are trying to escape scott free by lies and propaganda.

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  • @Thomm
    You are changing the subject. Malla may be knowledgeable about India, but he is clueless about the US, and has never lived here. That is what I said in the text you quoted. It is funny that you were unable to understand that.

    Plus, you yourself are hardly an 'immigration restrictionist'. You wrote pages and pages to normalize Hispanics (even illegal ones) as an acceptable population simply for having a lower crime rate than blacks. I am one of the few who defended you in the past, but now I see that you are just a 'Divide and Conquer' Jew.


    he used to endlessly boast about the tremendous and growing success of Indians,

     

    Where have I done that in the last 21 days? You appear to be confused about the meaning of the word 'endlessly'.

    Plus, I proved to you that Irish people were considered subhuman in the US as recently as 1900, that too in the New York Times and Harpers. You avoided my point, since it proves you wrong.


    Furthermore, his style of writing seems to mark him as an agitated foreigner who learned English as an adult rather than someone who grew up with English as his first language.
     
    Point to specific examples. A drive-by claim like this is simply poor form on your part.

    There is apparently much less to Ron Unz than meets the eye. He knows little about subjects that he claims to specialize in, and the extent of his education is questionable. The concept of 'credentialed but not educated' comes to mind when describing Ron Unz.

    Among other things, he greatly excuses the illegal immigration of Hispanics, but then also wants a $12/hr minimum wage. Minimum wages are already a violation of Econ 101 concepts, but it really does not work when there are a mass of illegal immigrants in the labor pool. It is hard to claim Ron Unz is intelligent when he does not see this contradiction.

    Malla may be knowledgeable about India, but he is clueless about the US, and has never lived here.

    I have lived in America and had always had a deep interest in American history.

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  • @Hacienda
    Lothrop Stoddard believed Nordics were the best race, Alpine second, Medish third, and Jews on the bottom (but above Asiatics and the not even comparable to the unspeakable African), using the limited and parochial metrics of the 19th century. Current metrics, summation of another century of history plus and new metrics about the races leaves that judgement highly questionable? Look, I generally like Nordics- Gary Busey, Nick Nolte, Dolph Lundgren, even Trump on occasion. They produce tech and Nobels like nobody and maybe even got the Jews motivated to do the same. The cheery Nordic is a light on the earth. But they're socially skittish or stiff as rods, and more often than not narcissistic. You can twist things and argue non-Nordics/Alpines/Meds are technologically parasitic on the Nordics/Alpines/Meds. (But don't dare say that after the great Jewish revolution in physics starting with Einstein and Bohr). But I believe Nordics are parasitic upon the social energies of non-Nordics and developement of military technology with colored people used as lab rats. The Nordic sharpening his knife upon the skinned leather of a colored man. I grew up with Nordics. I know how they talk and think. At that time at least, it was always about the blacks this, blacks that. Browns this, browns that. Jews, this, Jews that. They liked Asians as long as Asians knew their place. It was always we Nordics are so damn wonderful. What must they have been like pre-WWI and II? Is that not a kind of parasitism itself? The thesis dependent upon the anti-thesis? Do you wish to return to those times? Do you believe whites deserve a return to those times?

    But they’re socially skittish or stiff as rods,

    So what?

    and more often than not narcissistic.

    LOL, Nordic narcissism? We Indians can beat Nords in narcissism hands down. I have met more blacks who are narcissistic than Nords.

    But I believe Nordics are parasitic upon the social energies of non-Nordics and developement of military technology with colored people used as lab rats.

    Hence separate the Nords from the non Nords. If Nords are so bad, why are non Nords dying to live with them. The Nords are saying ‘Stay away from us evil cursed lowly Nords’. But it is the non Nords who want to live in Nord countries and then simultaneously complain about Nords.

    I grew up with Nordics. I know how they talk and think. At that time at least, it was always about the blacks this, blacks that. Browns this, browns that. Jews, this, Jews that. They liked Asians as long as Asians knew their place. It was always we Nordics are so damn wonderful.

    I have been with loads of Nords. My impression of Nords are that they are probably one of the least tribal people on Earth. Nords easily accept you as ‘one of them’ depending on your behavior and attitude. And I found this dangerous, the world is full of brainwashed idiots who are full of hatred and jealousy for Nords, many clamouring to finish Nords off. Nords need to learn clannishness from us desis to save themselves.
    Nords easily accept you as ‘one of them’ depending on your behavior and attitude does not mean you have to kiss Nord ass, not they dislike that the most. You just have to be level headed, non tribal yourself and be socially friendly in a Nord environment. But most non Nords are tribal as hell.

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    Hence separate the Nords from the non Nords. If Nords are so bad, why are non Nords dying to live with them.
     
    Why are Nords always in non-Nords countries if Nords want the non-Nords to stay away? If a non-Nord marries a Nord, don't they cancel each other out equally? Who is destroying whom? How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

    I have been with loads of Nords. My impression of Nords are that they are probably one of the least tribal people on Earth. Nords easily accept you as ‘one of them’ depending on your behavior and attitude. And I found this dangerous, the world is full of brainwashed idiots who are full of hatred and jealousy for Nords, many clamouring to finish Nords off
     
    Are you accusing me of Nord hate? Nord jealousy? Not me. I saw through the sad Nord reality long ago. And who really hates Nords? Only people who live in the memory of some distant crimes committed by the Nords. People who haven't caught up to the present reality of the Nords. (Although I'll add the caveat there are still legitimate grievances to be had with the Nords by some races.) And surely, you enjoy playing the role of the desi protector of the Nords. Once the Nords were heroes to the desperate desi. Now the humble desi comes back to save the desperate Nord.

    But most non Nords are tribal as hell.
     
    Well, people use tribalism when it benefits them, and anti-tribalism when it benefits them. For me tribal/non-tribal hedge means very little. The Nords will again use tribalism to benefit them when time comes.
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  • @Singh
    A racial worldview normalizes Abrahamic doctrine।।

    Otherwise an Arab & Somali have more in common with a Whites Christian than us।।

    We have more in common with a Hellen or Roman than a Pakistani।।

    You're sold out, criminal tribes act of British among other things entrenched untouchability।।

    Many areas who rebelled in 1857 are just seeing development only now. Having been kept away all this time,

    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built 'civilize' us.

    Gandhi also thought all Freedom fighters were misguided fools while preaching passive pacifism ie christianity।।

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/
    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    You're a christian & that's why you worship the british।।

    First world industrial countries have 0 social technology।।

    Industrialization led to increase in Abrahamic population so is net negative।।

    Keep cucking,

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/

    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    Classic case of Brahmin propaganda, they push all their misdeeds on the British and people like Singh accept it like slaves. The British creating the caste system, is like claiming that the abolitionists were responsible for starting black slavery. There was a struggle against Brahmins before the British came. Many Maharastrian Hindu saints of lower castes preached against the caste system in the Bhakti movement. Islamic writers wrote about the caste system before the Europeans even arrived.

    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built ‘civilize’ us.

    Your knowledge of history is pathetic.

    You’re a christian & that’s why you worship the british।।

    No I am Hindu. Go and read about Africa, most anti colonials in Africa were Christians, most of them choir boyz. And many missionaries in Africa supported African anti-colonial movements. Your Hinduvadi views are plain dumb.

    We have more in common with a Hellen or Roman than a Pakistani।।

    That is true.

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  • @Ron Unz

    So you have never even lived in the US? No wonder your knowledge is so incomplete.
     
    Well, Malla seems to be exceptionally knowledgeable about Indian history and society, and also admirably level-headed and objective in his appraisals. Admittedly, my own knowledge of India is rather scanty, so my verdict should be taken with a grain of salt, but that's my strong impression.

    And although he claims to be an Indian from India, he also seems to have a rather good grasp of many aspects of American society, despite not having lived here.

    Meanwhile, that "Thomm" fellow is simply a laughingstock.

    His description of American history and society is so totally ludicrous, I find it very difficult to believe he actually went to school here, let alone that he's the "native-born American" he dishonestly claims to be. Furthermore, his style of writing seems to mark him as an agitated foreigner who learned English as an adult rather than someone who grew up with English as his first language.

    Given that he's endlessly denouncing "WNs" and anti-immigrationists in the crudest manner, he's almost certainly a non-white foreign immigrant himself, practicing a bit of "Internet crypsis." Despite his endless emphasis on "IQ," the crudeness and ignorance of his arguments, and his very mediocre writing style hardly suggest that he's actually too strong in that regard, let alone well-educated. Overall, he reminds me a bit of that "attilathehen" character, who's also always prattling on about IQ, but comes across as a possible borderline mental-defective.

    Although it's difficult to be sure of his country of origin, early on, before others cited the pattern, he used to endlessly boast about the tremendous and growing success of Indians, both in India and especially in America. In all my years on the Internet, the only people I've ever encountered who talk like that are themselves Indians, and they do so quite frequently. So despite Malla's doubts, I strongly suspect that's exactly what he is.

    My small website certainly attracts all sorts of rather curious individuals...

    You are changing the subject. Malla may be knowledgeable about India, but he is clueless about the US, and has never lived here. That is what I said in the text you quoted. It is funny that you were unable to understand that.

    Plus, you yourself are hardly an ‘immigration restrictionist’. You wrote pages and pages to normalize Hispanics (even illegal ones) as an acceptable population simply for having a lower crime rate than blacks. I am one of the few who defended you in the past, but now I see that you are just a ‘Divide and Conquer’ Jew.

    he used to endlessly boast about the tremendous and growing success of Indians,

    Where have I done that in the last 21 days? You appear to be confused about the meaning of the word ‘endlessly’.

    Plus, I proved to you that Irish people were considered subhuman in the US as recently as 1900, that too in the New York Times and Harpers. You avoided my point, since it proves you wrong.

    Furthermore, his style of writing seems to mark him as an agitated foreigner who learned English as an adult rather than someone who grew up with English as his first language.

    Point to specific examples. A drive-by claim like this is simply poor form on your part.

    There is apparently much less to Ron Unz than meets the eye. He knows little about subjects that he claims to specialize in, and the extent of his education is questionable. The concept of ‘credentialed but not educated’ comes to mind when describing Ron Unz.

    Among other things, he greatly excuses the illegal immigration of Hispanics, but then also wants a $12/hr minimum wage. Minimum wages are already a violation of Econ 101 concepts, but it really does not work when there are a mass of illegal immigrants in the labor pool. It is hard to claim Ron Unz is intelligent when he does not see this contradiction.

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    Malla may be knowledgeable about India, but he is clueless about the US, and has never lived here.
     
    I have lived in America and had always had a deep interest in American history.
    , @Anon
    That's funny, you never replied in those other threads when I or others pointed out that your bloviating about Irish was simply deluded.

    What subjects do you specialize in? You've never demonstrated expertise here on anything so far as I can remember, but then I wasn't looking too hard.
    , @dcite
    Thomm,
    Irish considered sub-human? I'm curious. Does the name Ignatiev mean anything to you? I haven't read every comment so I don't know if someone mentioned that Marxist fact-twister. Where do you come from? You show that tone-deafness of strangers in a strange land. You can know the textbook language and be totally unable to understand or speak in a normal way.
    I have a long line of Irish ancestors; one, an Irish Catholic from County Kerry, was knighted by the king of England, probably for race horse training, in the early 1800s. A sort of Barry Lyndon, a book by Thackeray you should read for more enlightenment. The film was good too.
    The Irish were likely to be despised in the mid-19th century America due to poverty and backwardness, not to mention religion. Everyone from a peasant background was seen as backward and "other"for reasons of language and custom; but that didn't last long outside, maybe, Boston, and certainly the idea of them as a different race was, well, only skin deep. A veneer. An Irishman or Irishwoman who converted to Protestantism immediately assumed human dimensions even in 1850.
    There are a few genetic differences, especially in the far west of Ireland, but the Irish are all but indistinguishable from other Brits (the white kind) and everybody always knew that because basic phenotype mostly tells the truth.
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  • @Malla

    It was a Quaker who “opened” China. etc, etc.
     
    Yes Christians can be dumb sometimes but Christians want to spread the message of the Lord and save souls. 'Opening up' the Far Eastern countries of Japan, China & Korea was the dumbest thing the Whites ever did as East Asians were always going to be the biggest IQ as well as military threat to Whites amonst all other races.

    As Lothrop Stoddard noted on the Yellow Race.
    "At the moment, the "opening" of the Far East was hailed by white men with general approval, but of late years many white observers have regretted this forcible dragging of reluctant races into the full stream of world affairs. As an Australian writer, J. Liddell Kelly, remarks: "We have erred grievously by prematurely forcing ourselves upon Asiatic races. The instinct of the Asiatic in desiring isolation and separation from other forms of civilization was much more correct than our craze for imposing our forms of religion, morals, and industrialism upon them. It is not race-hatred, nor even race-antagonism, that is at the root of this attitude; it is an unerring intuition, which in years gone by has taught the Asiatic that his evolution in the scale of civilization could best be accomplished by his being allowed to develop on his own lines. Pernicious European compulsion has led him to abandon that attitude. Let us not be ashamed to confess that he was right and we were wrong."

    However, rightly or wrongly, the deed was done, and the yellow races, forced into the world-arena, proceeded to adapt themselves to their new political environment and to learn the correct methods of survival under the strenuous conditions which there prevailed. In place of their traditional equilibrated, self-sufficient order, the yellow peoples now felt the ubiquitous impacts of the dynamic Western spirit, insistent upon rapid material progress and forceful, expansive evolution. Japan was the first yellow people to go methodically to the white man's school"

    Lothrop Stoddard believed Nordics were the best race, Alpine second, Medish third, and Jews on the bottom (but above Asiatics and the not even comparable to the unspeakable African), using the limited and parochial metrics of the 19th century. Current metrics, summation of another century of history plus and new metrics about the races leaves that judgement highly questionable? Look, I generally like Nordics- Gary Busey, Nick Nolte, Dolph Lundgren, even Trump on occasion. They produce tech and Nobels like nobody and maybe even got the Jews motivated to do the same. The cheery Nordic is a light on the earth. But they’re socially skittish or stiff as rods, and more often than not narcissistic. You can twist things and argue non-Nordics/Alpines/Meds are technologically parasitic on the Nordics/Alpines/Meds. (But don’t dare say that after the great Jewish revolution in physics starting with Einstein and Bohr). But I believe Nordics are parasitic upon the social energies of non-Nordics and developement of military technology with colored people used as lab rats. The Nordic sharpening his knife upon the skinned leather of a colored man. I grew up with Nordics. I know how they talk and think. At that time at least, it was always about the blacks this, blacks that. Browns this, browns that. Jews, this, Jews that. They liked Asians as long as Asians knew their place. It was always we Nordics are so damn wonderful. What must they have been like pre-WWI and II? Is that not a kind of parasitism itself? The thesis dependent upon the anti-thesis? Do you wish to return to those times? Do you believe whites deserve a return to those times?

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    But they’re socially skittish or stiff as rods,
     
    So what?

    and more often than not narcissistic.
     
    LOL, Nordic narcissism? We Indians can beat Nords in narcissism hands down. I have met more blacks who are narcissistic than Nords.

    But I believe Nordics are parasitic upon the social energies of non-Nordics and developement of military technology with colored people used as lab rats.
     
    Hence separate the Nords from the non Nords. If Nords are so bad, why are non Nords dying to live with them. The Nords are saying 'Stay away from us evil cursed lowly Nords'. But it is the non Nords who want to live in Nord countries and then simultaneously complain about Nords.

    I grew up with Nordics. I know how they talk and think. At that time at least, it was always about the blacks this, blacks that. Browns this, browns that. Jews, this, Jews that. They liked Asians as long as Asians knew their place. It was always we Nordics are so damn wonderful.
     
    I have been with loads of Nords. My impression of Nords are that they are probably one of the least tribal people on Earth. Nords easily accept you as 'one of them' depending on your behavior and attitude. And I found this dangerous, the world is full of brainwashed idiots who are full of hatred and jealousy for Nords, many clamouring to finish Nords off. Nords need to learn clannishness from us desis to save themselves.
    Nords easily accept you as 'one of them' depending on your behavior and attitude does not mean you have to kiss Nord ass, not they dislike that the most. You just have to be level headed, non tribal yourself and be socially friendly in a Nord environment. But most non Nords are tribal as hell.
    , @Malla

    It was always we Nordics are so damn wonderful.
     
    LMFAO, show me one people in all the world who are not like this. Really LOL

    Hinduwadis claim that India is the most ancient civilization on Earth probably 100000000000000000000 (add zeros to your fancy) years old, all civilizations came from ancient Hindus, non Indians/ non Hindus are lowly mlechhas, like untouchables. Only Indians have culture, if others have culture, it is because they stole if from us or sat at the feet of an Indian and learnt culture. One Indian classical music maestro literally said on stage once that all non Indians have no concept of traditional music, all they have is electronic modern music, only Indian civilisation had great classical music and nobody in the audience batted an eyelid, I kid you not. No Beethovan, No Mozart for example. We Hindus are so smart and awesome. Indian genius is running the USA, UK, Australia, Japan, NASA, Microsoft, Martian spaceship factories etc..... USA is a first world power only because of Indian genius (which is strange as the USA was already an industrial power by the early 1900s when there were hardly any Asian Indians in the USA but anyways...). Indian movies galore where a White man, East Asian or a black or an Arab stops an Indian from rising up but finally looses to Indian genius. India was 'Sone Ki Chidiya' (Golden Bird) before the lowly Muslims and Europeans raped our lands. Each and every Indian was a billionaire before the muslims and Europeans came (why would anybody work in ancient India, maybe nobody worked at all in ancient India, we had automation already it seems) and all of us had golden toilets encrusted with jewels in our bathrooms but the British stole that gold and jewels and now we have to shit in the open fields and streets. All non Indians only want one thing, they only think of only one thing...how to keep India down. Englishmen, Nigerians, Bangladeshis, Chinese, Martians, Americans, Blue Whales, Germans etc...all of them spend their waking hours conspiring to keep our great India down (they have no other work or interest) because they know what will happen when India rises as a superpower, which will happen eventually anyways. I would say a major chunk of our population really believe the last sentence with all their heart. White people have no sexual morality at all, mothers f..k their sons, fathers f..k their sisters and it is a f..kfest, all, each and every White person does this, 100% of them, this is how they always were from the beginning of time shouts the Indian wife sleeping with her milkman. The Chinese/Japanese/Korean civilization was started only because of us Hindus (I can provide a link but your eyes will bleed). An Indian guy told me about this beautiful Indian princess from ancient Ayodhya who had married a Korean prince many centuries ago (this is actually historical fact) and the descendants of that family are best looking, most intelligent Koreans or probably the only intelligent Koreans (this is obviously b.s.). And much more.... Indeed from my childhood this is what I have been hearing all around me. And they are not kind to East Asians, Arabs or blacks too. Blacks (kalus) are primitive adivasi cannibal apes living in Africa with abnormal mutant hair, Arabs only rape and loot and live like barbarians in desert unlike our great Bharatvarsha, those abnormal mutant chinkies (chapte - flatfaceds) eat anything and everything and are just plain weird abnormal people with weird eyes (One ayurvedic baba [you find them across all India in their tents selling snake oil] told me it is a kind of disease which can be treated with Ayurveda only, I assume he is making a lot of money in the far East right now). This is the cacophony I have been hearing since my childhood all around everytime I came back to India from abroad. It is like a constant background buzz amongst many Indians.

    Jews claim they are the chosen ones, how the Jewish soul is superior to the goyim soul, without Jewish genius Europeans and the world would be living like Australian aboriginies, all great Europeans/goyim have some Jewish ancestry somewhere, Jews even if he keeps no mitzvots will go to Jewish heaven where no lowly goyim soul will ever enter, goyims who keep the laws of Noah will get a lowly heaven (I forgot to add, only guys go to Jewish heaven, so heaven is a place full of homosexual Jews, If that is the case, I personally prefer hell anyways), Jews are a miracle, everybody wants to destroy innocent Jews jealous of their genius, if the lowly goyims had any brains they would travel thousands of miles just to see a Jew (this I had read in a book by a Jewish guy, I thus envy all those lowly goyims living in New York, a lot of travel money saved), the creator of the Universe, God (Yashem, Adonai, Yahweh etc....) depends on Jews to keep all their mitzvots (rules) or the universe will crumble, when the Messiah comes, each Jew will get goyim slaves and there will be true justice on earth blah blah blah....

    Afrocentrists patter and preach about when they were flying around in pyramid space ships when we non blacks were living in caves, about the secret pawa (power) of da melanin, non blacks are not completely hue-mans (you get it hue of hue-mans, so brilliant, deserves a Nobel prize) about how India, Greece etc...were civilized by blacks (Afrocentrist Mr. Clark confidently blurted out that Ganga is the name of an Ethiopean general, but Ganga is a feminine name, she is a devi, Goddess, was the said Ethipoean general a hermaphrodite ? anyways...), how the Samurai were black, blacks have a special rhythm others cannot even imagine, aleins in UFOs are black, the world is black blah blah blah....

    The Chinese claim they are the middle kingdom. Foreign barbarian devils came and destroyed our great middle kingdom.... blah blah blah

    I can go on and on....But I am getting a headache...
    Oh wait only Nords do not have the right to feel good about themselves. They have, HAVE (It is very important this is true, cries the brown blacks) to believe they are basically cave dwellers, who somehow stole technology from everyone (I never knew you could steal technology like money, I mean even if I would steal your technology, you should still have that technology but anyways....) and thus we brown blacks are now living in stinky countries full of mudhuts and open gutters.


    What must they have been like pre-WWI and II? Is that not a kind of parasitism itself? The thesis dependent upon the anti-thesis? Do you wish to return to those times? Do you believe whites deserve a return to those times?
     
    No, I never meant that. All I am saying that they deserve lands (Europe, parts of North America etc...) where they are the overwhelming majority with no Jewish/banker influence, that's it.. Like in India, I can go for months without seeing an non Indian, something like that for the Nords, except that India is VERY MUCH under Jewish/banker control behind the scenes. No more British/French Empires please. It will mean more ammo to beat the Whites with in the future. Leave the brown blacks to their misery or progress.
    That is why the U.S. empire has to stop fast.
    , @Malla

    developement of military technology with colored people used as lab rats
     
    Yes evil blue eyed devil Nords always use non Nords as guinea pigs to test their evil destructive weapons. One good example was the unnecessary bombing of Dresden and Hamburg.

    http://spartacus-educational.com/2WWdresden2.JPG

    No wait, what is wrong here? I see dead Nords mercilessly and unnecessarily killed.

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  • @MEH 0910
    I like Derb and his family. I get a kick out of how his daughter has a smiley expression like her mother, and his son has often has a dispassionate countenance like his father.

    Derb’s mutant offspring are gross, and they look nothing like him. That’s what happens when you race mix. I guess in Derb’s case love is not only blind but desperate!

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  • @Ron Unz

    So you have never even lived in the US? No wonder your knowledge is so incomplete.
     
    Well, Malla seems to be exceptionally knowledgeable about Indian history and society, and also admirably level-headed and objective in his appraisals. Admittedly, my own knowledge of India is rather scanty, so my verdict should be taken with a grain of salt, but that's my strong impression.

    And although he claims to be an Indian from India, he also seems to have a rather good grasp of many aspects of American society, despite not having lived here.

    Meanwhile, that "Thomm" fellow is simply a laughingstock.

    His description of American history and society is so totally ludicrous, I find it very difficult to believe he actually went to school here, let alone that he's the "native-born American" he dishonestly claims to be. Furthermore, his style of writing seems to mark him as an agitated foreigner who learned English as an adult rather than someone who grew up with English as his first language.

    Given that he's endlessly denouncing "WNs" and anti-immigrationists in the crudest manner, he's almost certainly a non-white foreign immigrant himself, practicing a bit of "Internet crypsis." Despite his endless emphasis on "IQ," the crudeness and ignorance of his arguments, and his very mediocre writing style hardly suggest that he's actually too strong in that regard, let alone well-educated. Overall, he reminds me a bit of that "attilathehen" character, who's also always prattling on about IQ, but comes across as a possible borderline mental-defective.

    Although it's difficult to be sure of his country of origin, early on, before others cited the pattern, he used to endlessly boast about the tremendous and growing success of Indians, both in India and especially in America. In all my years on the Internet, the only people I've ever encountered who talk like that are themselves Indians, and they do so quite frequently. So despite Malla's doubts, I strongly suspect that's exactly what he is.

    My small website certainly attracts all sorts of rather curious individuals...

    If both Thomm & Malla are Indian I’m done.

    Caste System justified, I’ll just post occasional memes on Akarlin or Saker।।

    These types both need a lathi।।

    Stand by, w/e I said though।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

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  • @Ron Unz

    So you have never even lived in the US? No wonder your knowledge is so incomplete.
     
    Well, Malla seems to be exceptionally knowledgeable about Indian history and society, and also admirably level-headed and objective in his appraisals. Admittedly, my own knowledge of India is rather scanty, so my verdict should be taken with a grain of salt, but that's my strong impression.

    And although he claims to be an Indian from India, he also seems to have a rather good grasp of many aspects of American society, despite not having lived here.

    Meanwhile, that "Thomm" fellow is simply a laughingstock.

    His description of American history and society is so totally ludicrous, I find it very difficult to believe he actually went to school here, let alone that he's the "native-born American" he dishonestly claims to be. Furthermore, his style of writing seems to mark him as an agitated foreigner who learned English as an adult rather than someone who grew up with English as his first language.

    Given that he's endlessly denouncing "WNs" and anti-immigrationists in the crudest manner, he's almost certainly a non-white foreign immigrant himself, practicing a bit of "Internet crypsis." Despite his endless emphasis on "IQ," the crudeness and ignorance of his arguments, and his very mediocre writing style hardly suggest that he's actually too strong in that regard, let alone well-educated. Overall, he reminds me a bit of that "attilathehen" character, who's also always prattling on about IQ, but comes across as a possible borderline mental-defective.

    Although it's difficult to be sure of his country of origin, early on, before others cited the pattern, he used to endlessly boast about the tremendous and growing success of Indians, both in India and especially in America. In all my years on the Internet, the only people I've ever encountered who talk like that are themselves Indians, and they do so quite frequently. So despite Malla's doubts, I strongly suspect that's exactly what he is.

    My small website certainly attracts all sorts of rather curious individuals...

    Well, Malla seems to be exceptionally knowledgeable about Indian history and society, and also admirably level-headed and objective in his appraisals.

    He gives a one sided take which merely reinforces the standard white christian civilized the world trope while ignoring any counter argument।।

    Also refuses to understand cause & effect but as I understand the hatred of the Rabbi for the Hindu is ancient & he seems to have caught his ear।।

    As in, his arguments are basic tier that even Britshit contemporaries refuted. Like the British removing Mughal rule or freeing anyone/benefitting economy etc.

    That a number of americans wish to exist in this delusion makes sense,

    They’re the world’s first liberal republic & the level of buy-in is unimaginable.

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  • @Malla

    First of all I can’t figure out if you feel superior to the Dalits or if you feel that they are equal to you? i
     
    That was addressed to Singh as we wishes to bring back the Manusmruti caste system in the form which existed before the British and the Christian missionaries came to India. I do not feel superior to no Dalit but an IQ gap between average lower caste folks and average upper caste folks exists.

    You even seem to have little respect for South Indian Brahmins, and say that 95% of Indians are fools.
     
    I did not say 90% of Indians are fools, that was Periyar or Justice Katju and Periyar was talking how in a democracy, the stupidity of the masses would be exploited by the cunning Brahmin elites after the British leave. The British had earlier kept them in check and hence the Indian Independence movement to throw the British out by the Bramin Bania cabal as well as the hate by the same cabal for the Christian Missionaries who had done so much to help the poor ill treated dalits. Ofcourse this (politicians fooling the people) happens everywhere, but is more acute in India. Todays arrogant brahmins are nothing like the Vedic Brahmins 4000 years ago, all they do is rote learn the texts written by the Great ancients, there has been no innovation for centuries now. Strangely it is were the British in India who in character resembled the ancient Brahmins and Khsatriya warrior clans of old!!!!

    What I said was is browns cannot build first world countries easily in the post Industrial revolution world. We need to adopt some positive traits of pre WW2 Western civilization/ Western peoples /Japanese peoples (without giving up our cultural identity) if we have any hope to improve our nations.

    My question is this; if you feel that 95% of your people are fools, what is your quarrel with Thomm who feels that only 20% of his are?

     

    I have no problem Thomm claiming 20% of his populations are fools, I have a problem with him trying to illegitimatise the ideology of White Nationalism/Separatism with all kinds of stupid claims and cheap tactics. He also seems to ignore that the first duty of the U.S. government is to raise the poor of America (blacks and whites) not only economically but also culturally before it can bring in immigrants. And a multiracial/ multicultural USA will eventually lead to an Indian like caste system in the far future. He is trying to portray WNism based on jealous lowly Whites against successful immigrants but that is not true, in some cases yes but White Nationalism/Separatism as an ideology cannot be just boxed inside such a phenomenon alone.

    A racial worldview normalizes Abrahamic doctrine।।

    Otherwise an Arab & Somali have more in common with a Whites Christian than us।।

    We have more in common with a Hellen or Roman than a Pakistani।।

    You’re sold out, criminal tribes act of British among other things entrenched untouchability।।

    Many areas who rebelled in 1857 are just seeing development only now. Having been kept away all this time,

    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built ‘civilize’ us.

    Gandhi also thought all Freedom fighters were misguided fools while preaching passive pacifism ie christianity।।

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/

    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    You’re a christian & that’s why you worship the british।।

    First world industrial countries have 0 social technology।।

    Industrialization led to increase in Abrahamic population so is net negative।।

    Keep cucking,

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    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/

    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/
     
    Classic case of Brahmin propaganda, they push all their misdeeds on the British and people like Singh accept it like slaves. The British creating the caste system, is like claiming that the abolitionists were responsible for starting black slavery. There was a struggle against Brahmins before the British came. Many Maharastrian Hindu saints of lower castes preached against the caste system in the Bhakti movement. Islamic writers wrote about the caste system before the Europeans even arrived.


    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built ‘civilize’ us.
     
    Your knowledge of history is pathetic.

    You’re a christian & that’s why you worship the british।।
     
    No I am Hindu. Go and read about Africa, most anti colonials in Africa were Christians, most of them choir boyz. And many missionaries in Africa supported African anti-colonial movements. Your Hinduvadi views are plain dumb.

    We have more in common with a Hellen or Roman than a Pakistani।।
     
    That is true.
    , @Malla

    You’re sold out, criminal tribes act of British among other things entrenched untouchability।।
    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/

    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/
     

    I am tired of the lies and blatant propaganda of these Hinduvadis, children of the theosophist liars.

    http://www.myguru.in/The-Sant-Eknath.htm

    Sant (Saint) Eknath (1533–1599), a Hindu saint much before the British came to India was an opponent of untoucability though he was a Brahmin himself.

    Eknath was one of the earliest reformers of untouchability in Maharashtra, working as he was in the late Middle Ages. In times when Brahmins even avoided the shadow and the voice of an untouchable, he publicly showed courtesy toward untouchables and frequented them. Once he saved the life of a Mahar child, rescuing it from the scorching heat ,the child was wandering in the hot sand of the Godavari. The Brahmins of the village got angry at Eknath imparting his touch to the body of a backward. In an act meant to mollify them, he famously took a bath in the same river to wash away the impurity, hoping they would see the inhumanity of their taboos

    Singh is the typical Hinduwadi bhakt liar who blames the British for all the brutality created by Brahmins. If the British were responsible for entrenching untouchability, what was Saint Eknath fighting against? He died, one year before the East India Company was even formed in London. And for the last 70 years, millions of Indians have been brought up on anti-British lies and propaganda you see Singh is spreading.
    Singh explain plez, why was Saint Eknath fighting against untouchability before the British came if the British were responsible for entrenching Untouchability? You are writing typical Brahminwadi lies and propaganda, somehow Brahmins are experts in this and India is unfortunately blessed with a lot of low IQ idiots to believe this crap. What is so sad and unfair is that the British who played a big part in improving the condition of the deprived lower castes are being blamed for starting the caste system while the Brahmins and other upper castes who enjoyed the fruits of this brutal system are trying to escape scott free by lies and propaganda.

    , @Malla
    Khalsa (Sikhism) religion is against caste. Why are some Sikhs importing caste system into Sikh community.
    From
    http://sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/79669-are-pro-caste-jatts-the-new-hindu-brahmins-of-our-sikh-kaum/

    the poster Genie writes

    "I was having a conversation with two Sikh guys of different caste backgrounds and they both told me they avoid jatti girls now because they are such a disgrace to Sikhi.

    They both said these days jattis and jatts are only interested in being in their own hindu brahmin given caste than listen to their Guru's and marry someone who is a Sikh regardless of caste.

    One was telling me how he was getting to know this girl who calls herself a proud Sikh girl on a dating site but has slept around with white guys and see's it as not a problem to be with non-sikh guys but her parents would flat out refuse her marrying any non-jatt Sikh guy so while she is sleeping around with non-sikh guys when it comes to marriage they will allow her to marry a white or jatt guy only.

    The other guy told me that he was getting to know this Sikh girl who seemed to tick all the boxes he is looking for in a girl until she asked for his surname, he said singh but then she said no whats your real surname. Being a Sikh he said singh again then she brought out her true intentions and openly asked what caste he was. He just said he is a Sikh and he doesnt believe in castes. And Sikhi is against castes so are you a castist or a Sikh? She said she is a sikh but for her parents sake she has to marry the same caste. He then told her good luck and blocked her from his contacts.

    Now brothers and sisters, if this is the state we are in where these girls mainly from the jatt articial brahmin hindu caste system only want to marry within their own caste against Sikhi and yet sleeping around with white guys then there is a serious issue in our kaum that needs addressing.

    Jatts are not alone in this, some of the tharkhan/ramgharia's girls are also holding out on the same ancient backward hindu caste belief system. Brahmin Hindu pandit's must be laughing their heads of at the state of our supposedly anti-caste religion. Once the brahmin priestly class could only dream of making Sikhs of the Guru's believe in discriminatory caste system but now they have managed to influence and pump up the various castes against each other to stick with their brahmin given castes their job is half done to Hinduise and keep Sikhs disunited.

    This is how inter-faith anti Sikh antics start when pendu punjabi castist parents tell their daughters you can marry anyone as long as its a gora (White) or same caste.... these girls need get it into their heads that being with a fellow sikh regardless of their race or caste is the correct way of thinking."
    , @Malla

    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built ‘civilize’ us.
     
    Civilize us did not mean we never had a civilization before the Europeans came. The British scholars themselves researched our history for us and told us about the glories of ancient India. Who deciphered the ancient Brahmi script? We Indians had forgotten about this script completely.

    It was the remarkable gifted genius Englishman James Princep, a man who did so much for Indian history.

    https://www.outlookindia.com/public/uploads/editor/2016-06-24/1466750357.jpg

    Prinsep “restored Aurangzeb’s Mosque”, he “built a bridge” that was a difficult task, and decoding an “ancient Indian script”. Auragzeb Mosque? Bridge? What, where? The results merely suggest Mr Prinsep was an accomplished British Engineer.

    James Prinsep was much more than that. He was responsible for many firsts in India: identifying bad health with mosquitos and still water, building first detailed city map (comparable to Google Earth imagery), the first powered ceiling fan, first human flight on Indian skies, high precision weighing machine, archeological restoration, introducing the West to a romantic relationship with India’s river ghats and more. His achievements and his dedication to India and its people is something that we would be compelled to remember for times to come. This is a story of extraordinary efforts and achievements, coming from a seemingly ordinary person, who lived in difficulty himself. This is a story that inspires.

    He would spend hours in the cool breeze of the Ghats. He grew increasingly passionate about the Ghats of Benaras, built little over a century earlier by the Marathas. During his 7-9 years of stay in Benras, he made numerous sketches of the Ghats, including some paintings with his artist & businessman brother William Prinsep who visited him in 1830. The masterpieces traveled outside and across the world and introduced the Western world to the enchantment of Benaras over the next few decades.


    Prinsep was endowed with two great qualities. He had a mind of enquiry and had a knack for applying his knowledge. These would ensure that he did not limit his stay to merely enjoying India. He found scope for doing a lot of things in Benaras. He began waking up early and would finish off his office work by breakfast time. Then devote his time and energies to his passions. And his passion was to apply the knowledge of science. He built, what was then the world’s most sensitive weighing balance, capable of weighing a spec of dust. He was pained to see the high rate of mortality in the local population. He inferred that the cause was mosquitoes and germs, promoted by the marshy land pockets of Benaras. At his own cost and efforts, he undertook an engineering project to drain the waters. This gave a huge fillip to his already growing popularity among the people of Benras. People gifted him a ground. This time, he used his engineering skills to level the ground to a flat non-flooding landmass, and returned it as a gift to the people for making of a bazaar! Charles Allen (author) notes that this generosity was extended at a time when Prinsep was literally poor himself, with a job that could go anytime because his boss wanted someone else (a friend – the Company reeled under nepotism, one always needed a connection). Then Prinsep takes up two important assignments. One was to restore the crumbling mosque built by Aurangzeb (popularly known as the mosque of Aurangazeb) near the Ghats. The mosque had tilted towards the river and was destined to fall eventually. Prinsep observed the complex structure of building and its towers, taking note of the composition brick-by-brick. The building was dismantled in a brick by brick fashion and then reassembled into an enforced building! The next was a stone bridge over the river Karamnasa. Nobody had succeeded in making a river on this in a century long efforts before him. But my understanding is that this was more a social challenge than an architectural one. The river’s waters were supposed to be cursed and were believed to be a killer for the mere mortals. Only Brahmins could touch the waters and emerge unharmed. Aparently there was a flourishing business wherein some such ‘empowered’ people made a living by transporting people on their backs, for the touch of the river was corroding. Looks like that Mr. Prinsep’s real success was being able to carry out the work with popular support of people, overcoming the resistance of a small section that had frustrated every previous effort. A stone bridge was made over the river and exists today

    Prinsep started taking keen interest in the Asiatic Society. In those times, survey and civil engineering work put together were throwing up fresh archeological sites at a great pace. Most importantly, coins were coming up from across India. All of these were being sent to the capital of British India. After the death of Sir William Jones, there had been a sort of vacuum in this field. To be fair, the French and Germans were doing equally good work, if not better, in studying India in the 18th century. But in the 19th century, they did not have access to archeological evidences from India, as whole of India, Ceylon and Burma passed into British control. The coins had a lot to tell about our heritage. But there wasn’t anyone to listen to what these coins had to say. James began to apply his scientific abilities to understand what the coins said. I had a look at some of these coins recently at the Indian Museum. Each coin had a few strokes of lines besides a picture. If this was text, there was too little of it to allow anyone to understand the patterns in it.

    To allow him to work (study) longer and more efficiently in Calcutta’s hot and humid weather, James produced what was probably the very first mechanized ceiling fan in India. He employed steam to power the punkhas, that produced better results than the human powered ceiling fans. With these fans, now he could work better and longer. During these fruitful years, James Prinsep established himself as the “code breaker”. He began to understand the patterns in the coins and inscriptions and deciphered the ancient languages. He began to connect what was said in the Sanskrit script with current places and relics. All these put together, he was able to draw up an invaluable pile of information --- the genealogical charts of ancient Indian dynasties. This information confirmed many of Sir Jones’ works, and also corrected some of Sir Jones’ work. Now what was available was a history of India. Answers began to flow; such as which dynasty ruled which geographical part of the country and at what time, details of particular administrations etc.

    Then Prinsep moved to the next level. Problem: a large amount of inscriptions and coins related to an entirely unknown script. The letters of this script were strange and bore no resemblance to other found in coins and inscriptions, in either the pattern or specifics. Nor was this similar to any living language. In 1838, after nearly 10 long years of arduous efforts, Prinsep unfolded this as the Bramhi script. This single discovery opened a window to the lost world – a vista to Ancient India.

    Prinsep was a serious man with serious devotion to work. But it seems to me that he was even more a family man, a fun loving man. His younger brother Thomas died after falling from a horse, while working on Calcutta’s salt water lakes. James Prinsep wanted to complete his late brother’s work and restore honour. He set about draining the salt water bodies by building canals and reclaimed lands. Another first shows the scientific, yet fun-loving part of this man. A Frenchman appeared in Calcutta around then with a giant ballon, with the dream of flying over the magnificent city and its famed river. But there was no possibility of achieving this, for no-one in India had the faintest idea of how to make this work. Prinsep took the challenge and risked creating the gas mixture that would fly a giant gas balloon. This translated into the first ever human flight on Indian soil (since Krishna’s flight on Garuda?).

    More about him here
    https://www.outlookindia.com/magazine/story/as-the-script-spreads-across-the-spectrum/297397
    The British Engineer who unlocked the history of India for us Indians

    By civilize, it means that bringing the ideas of the enlightenment to India. Europeans too had a middle age where a lot of wrong things like witch burning were taking place. They reformed their culture and then brought this spirit of reformation to India, removing the negative sides of our culture. Civilize us, does not mean we never had a civilization before they came, even the British would have laughed at the idea that we did not have a civilization before they came to India. What is strange is Hinduwadi Indian nationalists would not have known a lot about the glories of ancient India, they bleat about, without people like James Princep

    As far as the British living on dog meat, whatever that means, check this out

    https://www.visitlincoln.com/media/photography/things-to-do/lincoln-cathedral-4-web.jpg

    This is the Lincoln Cathedral in Lincoln, England. It was the tallest building in the world for 238 years (1311–1549), and the first building to hold that title after the Great Pyramid of Giza. it was the tallest building made by man which was taller than the Pyramids of Giza, taller than all the buildings in India at that time. It was built in between 1185–1311, before the East India Company was even formed and the British came to trade in India. If that is a cave built by cave dwellers, I want to live in a cave!!!!
    To build something like THAT , you need a LOT of wealth, expertise in architecture, stonemasonry, and huge numbers of skilled labour. England, 500 years before coming to India or before even sailing out to trade with the world, had that.

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  • @Thomm

    I do not know much about the US in this regard though I have been to the U.S. several times.
     
    So you have never even lived in the US? No wonder your knowledge is so incomplete.

    Your admiration for White Nationalists (i.e. the male gender of the bottom 20% of whites in terms of talent/brains/looks/character) is so misplaced that it is comparable to a white guy in America, who sees 2-3 Bollywood actresses and finds them exquisite, and then gets a ticket to India expecting to land one as a wife in three weeks. In reality, he finds that while walking around in India, no women out and about are particularly pretty.


    Rural Whites are FAAAR more similar to successful Whites than rural Indians are to elite Indians.
     
    Again, you completely missed the point. Rural hardworking whites are not the White Trashionalists. Some White Trashionalists have very successful fathers, but inherited none of their talents. Some are nerds who never leave their mother's basement. You are making the exact same mistake as some WN on Unz.com who assumes every single Indian in the West was a 'Brahmin' since they confuse caste with IQ.

    Let me give you a real-world example of the typical WN wigger that you so admire :

    Kevin Crawford Kraft is an Anglo-Saxon Protestant with a regal, upper-class name. He is a local WN leader in Northern California, which means his followers are even dumber than him.

    http://mugshotssantacruz.com/search/?last_name=KRAFT&first_name=KEVIN&#prof
    https://www.google.com/search?ei=TJ1RWv3yMeGijwS3q4rQCg&q=Kevin+Crawford+Kraft+arrests&oq=Kevin+Crawford+Kraft+arrests&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2431.3438.0.3566.8.8.0.0.0.0.144.597.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..3.2.260...35i39k1j33i160k1.0.fg7I9ds-_vg

    He manages to get arrested by the police EVERY MONTH. That too for negro-like things such as 'sex in public', 'assault with a deadly weapon' and 'shoplifting'. Six arrests in six months, after which he just moves to another town. But he just cannot avoid jail for more than a few weeks at a this.

    This is the type of person you so admire. The female equivalent are the blue-haired feminists (which you also apparently admire).

    Again, it seems you are hell-bent on learning that hard way that that WNs have as much in common with successful whites as African cannibals have with Thomas Sowell.

    So you have never even lived in the US? No wonder your knowledge is so incomplete.

    Well, Malla seems to be exceptionally knowledgeable about Indian history and society, and also admirably level-headed and objective in his appraisals. Admittedly, my own knowledge of India is rather scanty, so my verdict should be taken with a grain of salt, but that’s my strong impression.

    And although he claims to be an Indian from India, he also seems to have a rather good grasp of many aspects of American society, despite not having lived here.

    Meanwhile, that “Thomm” fellow is simply a laughingstock.

    His description of American history and society is so totally ludicrous, I find it very difficult to believe he actually went to school here, let alone that he’s the “native-born American” he dishonestly claims to be. Furthermore, his style of writing seems to mark him as an agitated foreigner who learned English as an adult rather than someone who grew up with English as his first language.

    Given that he’s endlessly denouncing “WNs” and anti-immigrationists in the crudest manner, he’s almost certainly a non-white foreign immigrant himself, practicing a bit of “Internet crypsis.” Despite his endless emphasis on “IQ,” the crudeness and ignorance of his arguments, and his very mediocre writing style hardly suggest that he’s actually too strong in that regard, let alone well-educated. Overall, he reminds me a bit of that “attilathehen” character, who’s also always prattling on about IQ, but comes across as a possible borderline mental-defective.

    Although it’s difficult to be sure of his country of origin, early on, before others cited the pattern, he used to endlessly boast about the tremendous and growing success of Indians, both in India and especially in America. In all my years on the Internet, the only people I’ve ever encountered who talk like that are themselves Indians, and they do so quite frequently. So despite Malla’s doubts, I strongly suspect that’s exactly what he is.

    My small website certainly attracts all sorts of rather curious individuals…

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    Well, Malla seems to be exceptionally knowledgeable about Indian history and society, and also admirably level-headed and objective in his appraisals.

    He gives a one sided take which merely reinforces the standard white christian civilized the world trope while ignoring any counter argument।।

    Also refuses to understand cause & effect but as I understand the hatred of the Rabbi for the Hindu is ancient & he seems to have caught his ear।।

    As in, his arguments are basic tier that even Britshit contemporaries refuted. Like the British removing Mughal rule or freeing anyone/benefitting economy etc.

    That a number of americans wish to exist in this delusion makes sense,

    They're the world's first liberal republic & the level of buy-in is unimaginable.

    , @Singh
    If both Thomm & Malla are Indian I'm done.

    Caste System justified, I'll just post occasional memes on Akarlin or Saker।।

    These types both need a lathi।।

    Stand by, w/e I said though।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।
    , @Thomm
    You are changing the subject. Malla may be knowledgeable about India, but he is clueless about the US, and has never lived here. That is what I said in the text you quoted. It is funny that you were unable to understand that.

    Plus, you yourself are hardly an 'immigration restrictionist'. You wrote pages and pages to normalize Hispanics (even illegal ones) as an acceptable population simply for having a lower crime rate than blacks. I am one of the few who defended you in the past, but now I see that you are just a 'Divide and Conquer' Jew.


    he used to endlessly boast about the tremendous and growing success of Indians,

     

    Where have I done that in the last 21 days? You appear to be confused about the meaning of the word 'endlessly'.

    Plus, I proved to you that Irish people were considered subhuman in the US as recently as 1900, that too in the New York Times and Harpers. You avoided my point, since it proves you wrong.


    Furthermore, his style of writing seems to mark him as an agitated foreigner who learned English as an adult rather than someone who grew up with English as his first language.
     
    Point to specific examples. A drive-by claim like this is simply poor form on your part.

    There is apparently much less to Ron Unz than meets the eye. He knows little about subjects that he claims to specialize in, and the extent of his education is questionable. The concept of 'credentialed but not educated' comes to mind when describing Ron Unz.

    Among other things, he greatly excuses the illegal immigration of Hispanics, but then also wants a $12/hr minimum wage. Minimum wages are already a violation of Econ 101 concepts, but it really does not work when there are a mass of illegal immigrants in the labor pool. It is hard to claim Ron Unz is intelligent when he does not see this contradiction.

    , @Malla

    You’re a christian
     
    Wow, I am a 'Christian'!!! Typical Hinduwadi logic.
    That explains why I was telling Europeans to give up Christianity and take up the Aryan religion of Zoroastrianism.

    I had posted the post below in Unz.com on November 19th


    “Christianity was better than most religions”
    Christianity is good but Zoroastrianism is better, closer to the Aryan soul and does not have the self hate ‘born a sinner’ mentality of Christianity. Christianity is good but you just cannot remove the Semitic crap at it’s core.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/08/04/immortality-and-the-eternal-quest-for-excellence/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2013/01/03/is-god-the-mirror-image-of-man-in-zoroastrianism/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2013/08/12/the-poetic-gathas-according-and-will-to-become-godlike/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2012/11/22/why-do-bad-things-happen-to-the-innocent-and-the-good/

    This religion is Aryanism concentrated and can be easily adopted by the European mind and soul.

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/10/17/moslem-designation-of-the-vikings-as-majus-or-heathen-zoroastrians-and-the-maga-fellowship-of-zarathustra/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2017/03/06/frya-or-love-in-the-gathas-old-norse-freya-and-frigg/

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2011/10/17/ayathrima-the-last-autumnal-thanksgiving-festival-and-celtic-samhain/
     

    Please tell me, why would a 'Christian' tell others to take up a different religion? I am expecting your answer.

    I am not anti Hindu, I am just saying Hinduism has some negative sides to it just like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Shinto etc... have their negative sides too.

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  • @Truth
    That's a good reference, but you are really starting to confuse me here, Sport.

    First of all I can't figure out if you feel superior to the Dalits or if you feel that they are equal to you? i

    Secondly it seems that you do not particularly have respect for any Indian caste, religion, region, subgroup, state or other category. You even seem to have little respect for South Indian Brahmins, and say that 95% of Indians are fools.

    My question is this; if you feel that 95% of your people are fools, what is your quarrel with Thomm who feels that only 20% of his are?

    You see, Neo, this Philosopher-King stuff that I have mastered is not nearly as easy as it looks to the outsider, that is why I am so picky as to whom I take on as a student.

    You have great potential though, I must admit.

    First of all I can’t figure out if you feel superior to the Dalits or if you feel that they are equal to you? i

    That was addressed to Singh as we wishes to bring back the Manusmruti caste system in the form which existed before the British and the Christian missionaries came to India. I do not feel superior to no Dalit but an IQ gap between average lower caste folks and average upper caste folks exists.

    You even seem to have little respect for South Indian Brahmins, and say that 95% of Indians are fools.

    I did not say 90% of Indians are fools, that was Periyar or Justice Katju and Periyar was talking how in a democracy, the stupidity of the masses would be exploited by the cunning Brahmin elites after the British leave. The British had earlier kept them in check and hence the Indian Independence movement to throw the British out by the Bramin Bania cabal as well as the hate by the same cabal for the Christian Missionaries who had done so much to help the poor ill treated dalits. Ofcourse this (politicians fooling the people) happens everywhere, but is more acute in India. Todays arrogant brahmins are nothing like the Vedic Brahmins 4000 years ago, all they do is rote learn the texts written by the Great ancients, there has been no innovation for centuries now. Strangely it is were the British in India who in character resembled the ancient Brahmins and Khsatriya warrior clans of old!!!!

    What I said was is browns cannot build first world countries easily in the post Industrial revolution world. We need to adopt some positive traits of pre WW2 Western civilization/ Western peoples /Japanese peoples (without giving up our cultural identity) if we have any hope to improve our nations.

    My question is this; if you feel that 95% of your people are fools, what is your quarrel with Thomm who feels that only 20% of his are?

    I have no problem Thomm claiming 20% of his populations are fools, I have a problem with him trying to illegitimatise the ideology of White Nationalism/Separatism with all kinds of stupid claims and cheap tactics. He also seems to ignore that the first duty of the U.S. government is to raise the poor of America (blacks and whites) not only economically but also culturally before it can bring in immigrants. And a multiracial/ multicultural USA will eventually lead to an Indian like caste system in the far future. He is trying to portray WNism based on jealous lowly Whites against successful immigrants but that is not true, in some cases yes but White Nationalism/Separatism as an ideology cannot be just boxed inside such a phenomenon alone.

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    A racial worldview normalizes Abrahamic doctrine।।

    Otherwise an Arab & Somali have more in common with a Whites Christian than us।।

    We have more in common with a Hellen or Roman than a Pakistani।।

    You're sold out, criminal tribes act of British among other things entrenched untouchability।।

    Many areas who rebelled in 1857 are just seeing development only now. Having been kept away all this time,

    How do people who were in caves eating dog meat while 100m tall Mandir were being built 'civilize' us.

    Gandhi also thought all Freedom fighters were misguided fools while preaching passive pacifism ie christianity।।

    http://indiafacts.org/caste-system-colonial-idea/
    http://indiafacts.org/why-is-the-world-so-obsessed-with-indias-caste-system/

    You're a christian & that's why you worship the british।।

    First world industrial countries have 0 social technology।।

    Industrialization led to increase in Abrahamic population so is net negative।।

    Keep cucking,
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  • @Malla

    that’s mild compared to the way you speak of your people.
     
    Am I the only one? Even a great leader like Periyar says the same? Why? Because facts are facts.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periyar_E._V._Ramasamy

    “The Jews are only interested in themselves, and nobody else. They somehow contrive to have the rulers in their pocket, participate in governance and conspire to torture and suck the lives out of other citizens in order that they live (in comfort).” These blatantly anti-Jewish lines were penned on March 20, 1938.
    These are the next lines: “Are they not comparable to the Brahmins who too have no responsibility but have the rulers in their pocket, have entered the ruling dispensation and been lording over (all of us)?”

    This is Periyar E.V. Ramasamy writing in his magazine Kudiyarasu, and he is being unusually mild here. (Naan Sonnal Unakku Yen Kopam Vara Vendum, vol. 4, p. 532, compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman)

    In all his agitations – and he had many – the lowest common denominator was the Brahmin. Even while criticising non-Brahmin national leaders like Gandhi, Subhash Chandra Bose and Sardar Vallabhai Patel, Periyar said that they were all victims of a Brahmin conspiracy. He said, that Gandhi was killed by Brahmins because Gandhi was turning into a Periyar himself! Periyar and his disciples attributed grand conspiracies and clever manipulations by Brahmins for the plight of the non-Brahmins.

    Periyar’s was an attack on brahminical ideas of ‘philosophy’. For him philosophy was not a specific intellectual activity of the Brahmins and nor were they considered to be specialists or professionals above the masses. He forced the subalterns to understand that the Brahmanical conception of the world is something external to the organic intellectual world of the masses. His refusal to take part in Brahmanical discourses of language and his dismissal of epics like the Ramayana or Mahabharata
    has to be seen in this context.

    Periyar’s conviction was that after the end of British rule , independent India, under what he believed would be Brahmin rule, would be worse if there were not adequate checks and balances to curtail the dominance of the Brahmin castes. He gave credit to the agency of the native elite castes for using colonial institutions and bureaucracy to their own advantage. Anti-colonialist theorists like Frantz Fanon and Amilcar Cabral too have taken similar approaches to the native elites, of
    course in their own contexts.

    He wanted the British to continue to remain in power – while simultaneously complaining that they were succumbing to the machinations of the Brahmins.

    He once said
    “Hindu society as such does not exist. It is only a collection of castes. […] Indeed the ideal Hindu must be like a rat living in his own hole refusing to have any contact with others. […] There is no Hindu consciousness of kind. In every Hindu the consciousness that exists is the consciousness of his caste. That is the reason why the Hindus cannot be said to form a society or a nation. There are however many Indians whose patriotism does not permit them to admit that Indians are not a
    nation, that they are only an amorphous mass of people.”

    At times, Periyar issued blood-curdling threats to Brahmins, but in action he did not believe in violence. Many of his black-shirted followers were fine individuals personally. At the same time, Periyar was also paranoid that democracy would result in Brahmins completely taking over the reins of the government. His words: “India should never go anywhere near democratic principles. The reason is 90% of our population are fools and 97% of them are persons of low birth. How will their rule set right our country?” (Periyar’s writings compiled by Pasu. Gowthaman, vol. 4, 2017, p. 432)

    Another case in point followed in 1968, when, in Tanjore district, 44 Dalits were butchered by the goons of a landlord. Periyar commented on the murders thus: “So long as democracy exists, the honest will have no other option except to fade away, giving the dishonest room to dance around. The people of India are barbarians. The dharma of India is the dharma of criminal tribes. As long as the ones who follow Manu dharma exist, the nation will never have discipline, integrity, honesty and justice. India has gone into the hands of scoundrels after the departure of the British.”

    There is no doubt that Periyar genuinely wanted the Dalits to break out of the shackles of caste oppression. He was miffed that the Constitution did not provide reservations for non-Brahmins. He accused Ambedkar for selling himself to the Brahmins: “The Brahmins had paid him a price. The price is this: he asked for 10% reservation and they gave him 15%. They knew that even if they gave him 25%, not even three or four percent of qualified people would be available [among the Dalits].
    He accepted the Constitution written by the Brahmins and signed on the dotted lines. He did not think about others.” (Periyar E.V.R. Chintanaikal, Anaimuthu, 1974, p. 1,860)

    Periyar was uncompromisingly opposed to Brahmanism. Throughout his life, Periyar polemically attacked the ritual status of the Brahmin: the privileges the Hindu religion bestows upon him, his caste purity, his role in maintaining caste hierarchy, his role in engendering patriarchy and his monopoly over the state apparatus. Brahmanism as an ideology was embodied in the agent of the Brahmin and an emancipatory politics was impossible without dislodging Brahmin overrepresentation in the
    public sphere. But Periyar was not playing a narrow identity politics here; on the contrary, he was accusing Brahmanism of reducing human beings who deserved self-respect into narrow caste clusters in strife with each other, to the benefit of those at the top. And he was also aware of the problem of castes stepping on each other to climb the pecking order.

    It is nobody’s case that the Brahmins were angels. They were arrogant, casteist and possessed a general contempt for the ‘unwashed’ millions, and even the washed others. Then again, they were not alone. However the oppressing classes belonged to a wider spectrum. The upper caste non-brahmins, many of whom were landlords, money lenders, traders and merchants–they, too, were part of the machinery of oppression.

    In 1925, Periyar stressed that communal representation was more important for the Dalits than the intermediate castes. Not only was he fairly consistent on this position, but he was also unsparing in his criticism that the casteism practiced between non-Brahmins was more cruel than the one that Brahmins practiced against others. Periyar was sincerely aware of the problems within the secular project of non-Brahmanism, and how the non-Brahmin intermediate castes had a tendency to look
    down upon Dalits by being relatively superior in a hierarchical society. Likewise, it was common for Periyar to speak at meetings of intermediate castes, where members of these castes would be there by the thousands, and chide them acerbically for their notions of superiority over the Dalits. He located the ideological source of caste oppression in Brahmanism and found the Brahmins to be its greatest beneficiaries; that doesn’t make him a defence lawyer for intermediate castes who committed crimes against the Dalits. Periyar fully agreed with Ambedkar’s observation in Annihilation of Caste that “All are slaves of the caste system. But all the slaves are not equal in status.”

    He critiqued Hindi and Sanskrit and rejected them for their lack of democratic and liberating potential for the masses. Equally, he was also critical of Tamil and glorification of Tamil pasts. In critiquing the upper caste non-Brahmin Tamil intellectuals’ glorification of archaic Tamil, he constantly reminded them the need of such intellectual activity to be immersed in the lives and experiences of the masses. He condemned Tamil purists for the lack of respectable words for women and lower castes in classical Tamil texts and for the lack of rational ideas. At certain occasions, he also advocated the Tamils to abandon their language and learn English. Periyar was for a truly transformed language that would offer critical awareness to the masses enabling them to transform their oppressive conditions.

    Elite Brahmin contempt for Periyar’s ideology of anti-Brahmanism has a long history.

    ALSO CHECK THIS OUT

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3mDkqU_sck

    Mr. Markandey Katju was the Chief Justice of India and he is a topmost Brahmin (but opposed to Brahmanism). He says 90% of Indians are fools, check out from 13:30. Matches what Periyar said in the 1930s.
    He does not hate his own people, indeed he had been one of the biggest proponent of India getting a permanent seat in the UN. He is just stating harsh facts.

    That’s a good reference, but you are really starting to confuse me here, Sport.

    First of all I can’t figure out if you feel superior to the Dalits or if you feel that they are equal to you? i

    Secondly it seems that you do not particularly have respect for any Indian caste, religion, region, subgroup, state or other category. You even seem to have little respect for South Indian Brahmins, and say that 95% of Indians are fools.

    My question is this; if you feel that 95% of your people are fools, what is your quarrel with Thomm who feels that only 20% of his are?

    You see, Neo, this Philosopher-King stuff that I have mastered is not nearly as easy as it looks to the outsider, that is why I am so picky as to whom I take on as a student.

    You have great potential though, I must admit.

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    First of all I can’t figure out if you feel superior to the Dalits or if you feel that they are equal to you? i
     
    That was addressed to Singh as we wishes to bring back the Manusmruti caste system in the form which existed before the British and the Christian missionaries came to India. I do not feel superior to no Dalit but an IQ gap between average lower caste folks and average upper caste folks exists.

    You even seem to have little respect for South Indian Brahmins, and say that 95% of Indians are fools.
     
    I did not say 90% of Indians are fools, that was Periyar or Justice Katju and Periyar was talking how in a democracy, the stupidity of the masses would be exploited by the cunning Brahmin elites after the British leave. The British had earlier kept them in check and hence the Indian Independence movement to throw the British out by the Bramin Bania cabal as well as the hate by the same cabal for the Christian Missionaries who had done so much to help the poor ill treated dalits. Ofcourse this (politicians fooling the people) happens everywhere, but is more acute in India. Todays arrogant brahmins are nothing like the Vedic Brahmins 4000 years ago, all they do is rote learn the texts written by the Great ancients, there has been no innovation for centuries now. Strangely it is were the British in India who in character resembled the ancient Brahmins and Khsatriya warrior clans of old!!!!

    What I said was is browns cannot build first world countries easily in the post Industrial revolution world. We need to adopt some positive traits of pre WW2 Western civilization/ Western peoples /Japanese peoples (without giving up our cultural identity) if we have any hope to improve our nations.

    My question is this; if you feel that 95% of your people are fools, what is your quarrel with Thomm who feels that only 20% of his are?

     

    I have no problem Thomm claiming 20% of his populations are fools, I have a problem with him trying to illegitimatise the ideology of White Nationalism/Separatism with all kinds of stupid claims and cheap tactics. He also seems to ignore that the first duty of the U.S. government is to raise the poor of America (blacks and whites) not only economically but also culturally before it can bring in immigrants. And a multiracial/ multicultural USA will eventually lead to an Indian like caste system in the far future. He is trying to portray WNism based on jealous lowly Whites against successful immigrants but that is not true, in some cases yes but White Nationalism/Separatism as an ideology cannot be just boxed inside such a phenomenon alone.
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