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    So Israel is building 2,610 new housing units in East Jerusalem and in contiguous areas on the West Bank at a time when international sentiment against its unending occupation of Palestine is growing, particularly among Europeans if one goes by recent developments in Sweden, Britain and in Ireland. The administration of President Barack Obama is...
  • @Leslie Jacobs
    Money rules right now, so there will be no real changes to this game until the economy crashes. Germany was the country in Europe in the 19th century where the Jews had the most opportunity and fewest restrictions; they moved there in large numbers and got rich. When the stock market crashed in 1929 more than 1200 of fewer than 1500 seats on the Berlin exchange were in Jewish hands. The Holocaust did not happen in a vacuum. What is going to happen in America when the dollar crashes? Most of the American Jews I knew when I traveled in Asia in the 1970s are now living somewhere else, Asia and Australia mostly.

    This was the obsession with many young religious Jews in Israel working on digs in the desert forty years ago, what they talked about late at night: "We are going to do it again you know," pause to bob back and forth. "Our secular cousins control America, the financial system, Congress, the media, and they are going to drive that illiterate gentile herd into a long series of wars against all of the Muslim nations, to make money and in order to take the West Bank while the hate is turned on. It will be our downfall, because this latest usury bubble of ours is going to burst. They always do eventually, and then Little Annie Frank is going to be lift holding the bag again."

    Wow. “The Jews” “got rich.” They “moved there in large numbers.” The Jews own most of the German stock market and “The Holocaust did not happen in a vacuum.” meaning what exactly? “The jews” those greedy, power-hungry, selfish Jews, deserved it? And how do you know wwhat “young religiou Jews in Israel” talked about late at night? In the dark? Oh, those evil conspiring Jews plotting against the gentiles in the dark.

    This comment is dripping with pure, unadulterated anti-Semitism, lifted straight out of Mein Kampf. Never mind the facts, that Jews did not move to
    Germany in large numbers, most were not rich (some were, most not), and that most Jews of the early 20th century lived in Eastern Europe, were mostly working class or poor. But, ya know, Hitler took care of that: murdered millions of them. I guess that solved the problem of jewish unemployment.

    Hey, why am I wasting my time with you? Go fuck off you Nazi asshole.

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  • […] The U.S. media, in which friends of Israel are heavily overrepresented, generally toe the line on promoting Israeli national myths, just as they do regarding the American counterparts. It should surprise no one that even archeology is run by a department of the Israeli government in an effort to establish historical legitimacy and to demonstrate Jewish claims to the land that is currently part of the state as well as of those adjacent regions that it seeks to absorb. http://www.unz.com/article/exceptionalism-rules-in-tel-aviv-and-washington/ […]

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  • @anarchyst
    If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical and other ancillary facilities. Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? The jewish communist Bolsheviks did just that with the non-communist civilian populations of the conquered countries in the communist orbit.

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the Nazis in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans.

    The establishment of a “homeland” was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a barren land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident.

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    It is curious to note that jewish interests will hunt down and imprison a 90 plus year-old German “camp guard” while looking the other way when their “own kind” was involved in truly brutal actions. Camp “capos” and “sonderkommandos” (who were primarily jewish) come to mind. Not one of these jewish “collaborators” has been brought to (jewish) justice. I guess blood is thicker than water.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”.
    Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    jews will never be satisfied with knowing that those that commit evil deeds on earth in this lifetime will pay for it in the next life . . . they have taken vengeance from the Creator and appointed themselves the exacter of vengeance (in contradiction to mosaic law but not their anti-gentile talmud).

    jews are vengeful people that will never pass up a chance to “make a buck” by screwing a gentile (goyim) out of money or property. jews were hated in Germany for taking advantage of the non-jew Germans between the two world wars. The average German did not have a pot to piss in while his wealthy jewish neighbor was trading food for land . . . taking advantage of the jewish bankster situation in Germany.

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren.

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland" for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”.
    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing.
    Mr. Leuchter was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. However, the prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    After the end of WW2, these same “camps” were used to intern German civilians. These German civilians were subject to much greater deprivation and suffering than the previous “occupants” of these “camps”. In fact, jews were controlling these camps, at the behest of the Allied forces, and were vicious in their treatment of those interned. For more reading on this, obtain and read the book “An Eye For An Eye” by John Sack.

    And how many Americans know the role those great justices of the supreme court, Brandeis and Frankfurter, played in the creation of the zionist colonial-settler enterprise.

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  • “. ”
    “The reason for Begin’s outburst thus became clear: in the absence of the strategic tie with the United States that had been provided by the conflict with Egypt, Israel needed something else, in effect, a common enemy. That’s why many Israeli political stakeholders were ambivalent about the George W. Bush administration’s ambitions to topple Iraq’s Saddam Hussein: with his overthrow, a potential though remote threat to Israel would be removed, but so would the perception of a common enemy. Since Saddam’s ousting, Iran has gained even more importance for Israel as a means of linking Jerusalem’s strategic perceptions with those of Washington.”

    http://www.lobelog.com/why-israel-opposes-a-final-nuclear-deal-with-iran-and-what-to-do-about-it/

    Robert Hunter US ambassador to NATO 1993 to 1998

    US could have disengaged from this evolving logics of Israel some 40 yrs ago. But it ignored the gravity of this concept,underestimated it and slowly accepted it through other means ( media”s constant chant,justification by the bribed lawmakers to support Israel, indoctrination of the churches,and offer of media exposure or allowing of media airwaves to the fanatic right wing church leaders who survive despite open hateful and violent comments against groups or other countries but they do for they support and dare not criticize the convoluted knots of idas that ties that US to Israel.).
    With the slow destruction of antiAmerican leaders and US involvements with these countries , Israel will face ” Begin moment” again. So what Israel will do? It has already been working on global Islamic threat to every body and to US. This is why ideas are becoming target for war . Ideas can never be defeated or destroyed unless Islam itself is destroyed. For Israel. It is not the destruction but the process that matters. The longer ,the permanence,the continuity of the threat and the engagement against that illusionry threat – that is what is important. Solution or end isn’t .

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  • @Leslie Jacobs
    Money rules right now, so there will be no real changes to this game until the economy crashes. Germany was the country in Europe in the 19th century where the Jews had the most opportunity and fewest restrictions; they moved there in large numbers and got rich. When the stock market crashed in 1929 more than 1200 of fewer than 1500 seats on the Berlin exchange were in Jewish hands. The Holocaust did not happen in a vacuum. What is going to happen in America when the dollar crashes? Most of the American Jews I knew when I traveled in Asia in the 1970s are now living somewhere else, Asia and Australia mostly.

    This was the obsession with many young religious Jews in Israel working on digs in the desert forty years ago, what they talked about late at night: "We are going to do it again you know," pause to bob back and forth. "Our secular cousins control America, the financial system, Congress, the media, and they are going to drive that illiterate gentile herd into a long series of wars against all of the Muslim nations, to make money and in order to take the West Bank while the hate is turned on. It will be our downfall, because this latest usury bubble of ours is going to burst. They always do eventually, and then Little Annie Frank is going to be lift holding the bag again."

    I have long felt that, the whole story of the holocaust was never told. I came to this conclusion after observing the influence Israel wields over much of the world. The “chosen people” claimed monopoly over “intellect”, “brains”, “smarts” and everything else. These claims are used to justify the “violence” they aid, abet and condone, over Muslims and from which they become fabulously enriched. The death, destruction, mayhem, hopelessness, etc., which they create results in a “fight or flight” reaction. The whirlwind is in the making.
    I just cannot envisage another holocaust of Jews, but the holocaust of Muslims has started and Muslims do not scream “anti-Semitism,” they simply die in droves and the world is “Cyclops.”

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  • @JoaoAlfaiate
    History is littered with unconquerable capitals, unsinkable ships and Thousand Year Reichs. The zionist enterprise is headed the same direction, led by a bunch of fanatics and nut jobs.

    Damn straight. Israel–that criminal, racist Zionist entity–
    is indeed led by “fanatics and nut jobs.”

    And how about the “exceptional,” “indispensable” USA?
    If and when, say, Vlad Putin gets sick and tired of American lawlessness and warmongering, and he vectors
    an ICBM onto Washington, District of Corruption . . . well,
    I shan’t complain. . . .

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  • @Dave Pinsen
    Should Israel listen to what our pols say or learn from our example? We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?

    “Who are we to condemn them”?

    Who are we to subsidize them?

    Washington’s ‘special relationship’ with Tel Aviv is costing the US hundreds of billions–if not trillions. Besides, most Americans have no desire to ethnically-cleanse Palestine. Do you? Let the Israelis conduct their own racist purges. Americans want no part of that.

    For the past 45 years, he US has been steered into fraudulent, a one-sided ‘alliance’. We’ve become Israel’s hit man. And we even get to pick up the tab. It’s past time we cut the cord.

    Maybe you, Dave, should enlist in either the US army or IDF. Does Israel mean that much to you? Put your money where your mouth is. But this American must ask: where’s the gain for our nation, our people? America is a secular, multi-racial democracy. The Jewish State, on the other hand, is entirely interested in advancing Jewish interests only. Their national interests exclude 99% of the human race.

    Plus, there’s the matter of false advertising. Countless naive Americans actually believe that the endless killing spree that US policies have spearheaded throughout the Middle East since the first Gulf war is all about ‘advancing democracy’ or stopping aggression or stealing oil. Sorry, Dave. Those facile explanations are Zionist fairy tales. Israel is the centerpiece of all US policies.

    But the fundamental question is this: why should America subsidize the atrocities in Gaza and prosecute the wars on Iraq, Libya, Syria and (soon) Iran? Where’s the gain? We’ve spent trillions over there and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Don’t these human and economic consequences concern you?

    If Israel did its own ‘settling’ of Palestine, things would be very very different. America would have no dead soldiers and a lot more money in our treasury. Even Israel would be probably be more cautious. Who knows. Peace could break out in the region if Israel wasn’t so artificially powerful due to unconditional US aid.

    Plus, the case can be made that the US is backing the wrong horse in this far-off competition. After all, Zionism is a racist doctrine.

    There is no reason that Jews in Israel can’t integrate their society and remain secure. Kosher apartheid is still apartheid. It’s time we clearly separated US interests from Israeli ones.

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  • @Fran Macadam
    "If *ever* there was a time going to be a time for a debate on these terms, now is it. The question is, will it be seized?"

    Sort of like, "If not now, then when? If not me, then who?" and "If I am not for myself, then who?"

    All good questions for ourselves, as Americans.

    BTW, I am appalled by the genuinely scurrilous anti-semitism posted here, I assume by Hasbarists who want to discredit Phil Giraldi by tarring him by association.

    The hunt for anti semites is a hunt for Pockets of Resistance to the New World Order like Nazis going.house to house

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  • @TomB
    Not that Giraldi was trying to accomplish any mass persuasion here and instead was just being analytical, but the problem of changing U.S. policy on the subject is that such an analytical approach is indeed the sort typically made by those trying to accomplish mass persuasion and it won't work.

    In the first place, and as shown by any number of the commentators here, such an approach is just going to be cheese-pared to death by the partisans (if not paid hack) of Israel. So even concentrating on the plight of the Palestinians is gonna be a loser, as is any approach that tries to just nudge our policies to be more "even-handed" or "forcing" Israel to do X or Y.

    Just as the critics of our Vietnam policy failed when they tried "educating" the American public about all the "background" to that conflict, including some of the dubious dealings the U.S. was involved in regarding same, any such focus or concentration is just hopeless.

    What worked in changing Vietnam policy was the argument that the war was just simply more costly than it was worth, if it was indeed worth anything at all. And that's the exact same argument that I think is true vis a vis our policies as regards Israel and the Palestinians. To first of all point out that it's none of our business, and secondly the way to be strictly fair is also the way to honor our interest which is one of just purely and simply getting and staying out and being neutral, period. Neither favoring nor disfavoring either side.

    With all this being accompanied by the observation that simply can no longer be denied that our involvement with Israel means our attempted manipulation into wars for its sake even. And in that respect a watershed moment has essentially just occurred.

    Before, that is, any such charge—no matter how obviously true it was given what's known about the neo-con involvement in our Iraq invasion alone—was greeted with the most howling if not hysterical denials and charges of slander.

    Now however, after what happened this Spring when AIPAC and the other Israeli-centric organizations and even Israeli officials themselves were trying to get us into launching a war against Iran (against our *President's* own wishes and judgment), that just simply isn't possible. As clearly and blatantly as possible Israel was up to its lips in trying to get us to expend our blood and treasure for its sake, period.

    And that, I believe, is *precisely* the sort of argumentation that the American people need to hear to start changing their mind in a big way towards our ME policies. *Not* talking about the relative moral merits of jews and arabs, or the alleged implication or non-implication of the Holocaust or what happened in '48 or '67 or whenever.

    Instead and again, talk about what our *interests* are and how we ought not be so stupid as to be the only country in the world that is urged to harm itself (much less go to war) for someone *else's* interests.

    Israel thus may have every interest in the world to attack Iran. But that doesn't mean that's where *our* interests lie. And the same is true of ISIS. (Yet another conflict we've got ourselves into via the cheerleading mainly of the Israeli-First crowd I think.)

    And the virtues of this approach and concentration are obvious: Gone are all the endless, involved arguments and obfuscations about ... the San Remo conference and whether the Palestinians are really just stay-behind jews and on and on. Instead of course the issue is the far clearer one of just simply whether our interests are being served by being up to our necks in what is clearly the quagmire of the Middle East, or instead to stay as far away from same as is possible.

    If you ask me then, it isn't going to be until you see the debate focused on this fundamental issue that you are going to see pressure on the U.S. to change its policies. And the tell-tale sign of this is the fervor with which Israeli partisans object to any such discussion whatsoever, and call names at those who want to debate that issue. Because they too know of its potency and potential, and now that what happened in Spring has happened and is so revealing, like I say, I think a watershed moment has arrived.

    With the sole question then being whether it is going to be recognized as such or not. With the results, so far, not seeming very good and people forgetting the full court press that was being applied to Obama to indeed have no option but to start that war with Iran.

    If *ever* there was a time going to be a time for a debate on these terms, now is it. The question is, will it be seized?

    No,.it won’t be. Because the Masters of Discourse, the media Jews wont allow it.

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  • @Dave Pinsen
    If you're aware of history, then you know that most nations are born in war, including the United States. Israel is no more morally obligated to cede its land to Palestinians than we are to the Indians.

    Oh, gosh Dave, except for a few “minor” adjustments made by humanity in order that the like of which you described does NOT occur again.
    World Criminal Court; Fourth Geneva Convention; United Nations; any of these ring a bell with you?

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  • @Art
    Any Christian who has no empathy for the Palestinians is not a New Testament Christian. A practicing philosophical Christian is not a tribalist. All human life is sacred to Christianity – clearly that is not the case in the Old Testament. Clearly Jewish ideology has not been upgraded to modern mores.

    When Christians turn to the Old Testament and its tribalist God – they do wrong – they abandon Jesus’ idealism.

    So true! It seems that modern day evangelicals in the USA use the Old Testament far more than they do the New Testament. Of course, this is Christian Zionism, not Christianity.

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  • @Larry
    WASHINGTON AND OBAMA ARE JUST OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE JUDAISTS AND ZIONISTS.

    Great article, and you are so right, Mr. Giraldi.

    Except the politicians in Washington, including Obama, are owned and operated by their Jewish masters, such as AIPAC, etc. Washington is just a colony of Israel. 50% of all the campaign contributions of the Democrats come from the Judaists. They called Obama the first Jewish President in their magazines.

    Larry: U.S. Congress is territory illegally occupied by Israel!

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  • @Mr. Blank
    Well, I had been reading some of Giraldi's stuff and had been finding it interesting, but not any longer. If he doesn't believe in "American exceptionalism," that pretty much absolves me of any responsibility to take him seriously.

    Maybe it's just because I was raised as an uneducated Alabama redneck, but I believe in "American exceptionalism" in my bones. God Bless The USA. :)

    Yeppers, Mr. Blank, that must be the reason. You’re no more exceptional than a Mongolian yak-herder, and neither am I.
    Kudos, Philip, for yet another stellar article.

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  • If a country were hell-bent on genocide, WHY WOULD THEY KEEP RECORDS?? WHY would they build “camps” hundreds (if not thousands) of miles away with sanitary facilities, housing, medical and other ancillary facilities. Would it not have been easier to just “eliminate” them without going through all of this trouble? The jewish communist Bolsheviks did just that with the non-communist civilian populations of the conquered countries in the communist orbit.

    Something BIG “stinks” in this whole jewish “holocaust ™” deal. It is no secret that jewish Zionists made “deals” with the Nazis in order to make life “uncomfortable” for jewish Germans.

    The establishment of a “homeland” was a Zionist “dream” since the 1800s. What better way to encourage “emigration” to a barren land than to make things difficult for the “cream of German society” (jews)?? The TRUTH about the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” is out . . .

    The so-called jewish “holocaust ™” has been turned into a de-facto “religion” in which no deviation from orthodoxy is permitted. In fact, in most European countries, independent investigation into jewish “holocaust ™” truths is strictly forbidden under pain of fines and imprisonment. In the USA, things are not quite as bad, only job loss and personal and professional destruction at the hands of those of the “tribe” that FEAR the real truth of the jewish “holocaust ™” being exposed is evident.

    When the truth about this historical event comes out, it will change much of the world’s perception about those that are using this event as a “cash cow” that “keeps on giving”. . . “there’s NO business like “SHOAH business”.
    Jewish complicity in this event is carefully “covered up”.

    It is curious to note that jewish interests will hunt down and imprison a 90 plus year-old German “camp guard” while looking the other way when their “own kind” was involved in truly brutal actions. Camp “capos” and “sonderkommandos” (who were primarily jewish) come to mind. Not one of these jewish “collaborators” has been brought to (jewish) justice. I guess blood is thicker than water.

    A good example of present-day censorship is the fate that awaits those that dare question “official” jewish “holocaust” orthodoxy. Most European countries have criminalized ANY line of thought that deviates from the “official” jewish “holocaust” story. WHY?? In fact, TRUTH is no defense when it comes to “all things holocaust”.
    Ask noted WW2 researcher David Irving, who was forced to recant TRUTH in order to avoid punishment. . .

    If people only knew of the planning that took place (among those of the “chosen”) to engineer the jewish “holocaust”, there would be a pogrom of massive size. You see, the jewish “holocaust” was necessary in order to force the establishment of a jewish state. In this case, the ENDS justified the MEANS. There have been many “holocausts” of much greater misery throughout human history, yet the jewish “holocaust” is the only one that counts . . .

    jews will never be satisfied with knowing that those that commit evil deeds on earth in this lifetime will pay for it in the next life . . . they have taken vengeance from the Creator and appointed themselves the exacter of vengeance (in contradiction to mosaic law but not their anti-gentile talmud).

    jews are vengeful people that will never pass up a chance to “make a buck” by screwing a gentile (goyim) out of money or property. jews were hated in Germany for taking advantage of the non-jew Germans between the two world wars. The average German did not have a pot to piss in while his wealthy jewish neighbor was trading food for land . . . taking advantage of the jewish bankster situation in Germany.

    Look at the “commercialization of the so-called jewish “holocaust ™” while the much larger communist (true) holocaust is conveniently forgotten. To assure a continuing supply of jewish “holocaust ™” “survivors”, jews are tattooing their ATM (oops, I mean “camp” numbers) on their children and grandchildren.

    Since the jews declared war on Germany in 1933 (yes, 1933), the Germans had no choice but to complete the Zionist plan of marginalizing German jews (to say the least).. This fulfilled the Zionist plan of forcing German jews to emigrate to Palestine while making the world grant jews a “homeland”–Israel.

    Zionists have been predicting a jewish “homeland” for the last two-hundred years while predicting a “holocaust ™” of 6 million for the same amount of time. The ACTUAL number of non-combatant deaths in the European theater of operations is approximately 731,000, NOT 6 million (official International Red Cross figures).

    Regarding that “holocaust ™” “showplace” Auschwitz, there are engineering inconsistencies in the design of the so-called “gas chambers”. The doors are not of a gas-tight design; it would have been impossible to retrieve the bodies, and there is no means to ventilate the rooms after the so-called “gassing” took place”. From an engineering standpoint, these are very serious errors that would have caused the deaths of the “operators” of these supposed “gas chambers”.
    American execution expert, Fred Leuchter travelled to Auschwitz, surreptitiously obtained samples from the purported “gas chambers”, had them tested and published his results. The absence of methylene blue in ALL of the samples, save one, was PROOF that the “gas chambers” did not exist. The one positive sample was taken from a room used to disinfect clothing.
    Mr. Leuchter was rewarded for his search for TRUTH by his professional and personal character assassination by those of the “tribe”. He lost all of his federal and state contracts, and was prosecuted under an obscure Massachusetts “law” for “practicing engineering without a license”–a law which had never been used before or since. . .

    It is no secret that after WW2, the Soviets attempted to “create” the “death camps” for propaganda purposes. Yes, there was extreme deprivation and suffering–many people perished. However, the prime cause of death was typhus. As allied bombings destroyed most of the infrastructure, typhus was at epidemic levels. THIS is what caused the massive amounts of human deaths . . .NOT gassing.

    After the end of WW2, these same “camps” were used to intern German civilians. These German civilians were subject to much greater deprivation and suffering than the previous “occupants” of these “camps”. In fact, jews were controlling these camps, at the behest of the Allied forces, and were vicious in their treatment of those interned. For more reading on this, obtain and read the book “An Eye For An Eye” by John Sack.

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    And how many Americans know the role those great justices of the supreme court, Brandeis and Frankfurter, played in the creation of the zionist colonial-settler enterprise.
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  • @Quercus
    I'm going to enjoy the howls of "anti semitism" after some read this sentence: we need someone like Vespasian to come in and kick Jewish ass.

    I can almost hear the howls. It's delightful.

    And is son Titus

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  • @Dwimmerlaik
    I have a hard time taking serious any article that begins by being factually wrong in the headline. Jerusalem is the national capital and seat of government for Israel which makes the comparison of Tel Aviv to Washington incorrect. Of course, I know this is intentional because the author doesn't recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel, which only exposes the innate bias with which the article was written.

    The point about the American founding fathers being wholly secular is also dubious. Anyone who has read the written works by them knows that. One of many examples:

    "[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

    (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

    Also, referring to the "Palestinians" (they have only been that since the 1960s) as the "indigenous" is laughable.

    So much wrong with this article, but I'll leave it at that. The support for Palestinians and Muslims in general among the left and some strands of conservatism continues to baffle me. Should a caliphate ever be created, the decadent left and useful idiots like Mr. Giraldi would be the first to the sword.

    And who has created ISIL? Do not make me laugh. Or yawn, more likely. Without the money bags in US, and their helpless stooges, the antiquated kingdoms in the Middle East, neither Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Al-Nusra, “Free” Syrian Army, Islamic Front, and ISIS/ISIL — would have been possible. So, please continue acting this naive, all with the Murdochized language of concern for the truth — it is not resonating with average humans who can read and get themselves educated in spite of the media controls. Are you also going to deny that in Vienna, just before World War I, banking, trade, and 90% of media was in Jewish ownership. And they were insanely prowar. They published the most incindeary articles against Serbs, as if the impoverished country that barely came out of Turkish empire was any threat to the Austro-Hungarian empire. British journalists at the time called these “the revolver journalists’, that never left hotel rooms in various countries, and made up stories that incited war histeria. What is new today? The problem with all the money/credit based economies that they destroy real economy, and the only way to distract the population is to make them believe that war is profitable, good, righteous, winnable. That they are special, superior. So Austrians were led to believe that they are going easily to subdue Serbs and other Slavic inferiors. And who encouraged Napoleon to go after Russia? And who financed Hitler, making his priority also to go afer the inferior Slavic populations? Ideas of superiority, exceptional beings, indispensable — all lead to arrogance of power, Hubris that in its foundations already created its own Nemesis. But those that are without ROOTS are naturally ROOTLESS, not caring for consequences, as they will just migrate to some greener pastures.

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  • @Dwimmerlaik
    I have a hard time taking serious any article that begins by being factually wrong in the headline. Jerusalem is the national capital and seat of government for Israel which makes the comparison of Tel Aviv to Washington incorrect. Of course, I know this is intentional because the author doesn't recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel, which only exposes the innate bias with which the article was written.

    The point about the American founding fathers being wholly secular is also dubious. Anyone who has read the written works by them knows that. One of many examples:

    "[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

    (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

    Also, referring to the "Palestinians" (they have only been that since the 1960s) as the "indigenous" is laughable.

    So much wrong with this article, but I'll leave it at that. The support for Palestinians and Muslims in general among the left and some strands of conservatism continues to baffle me. Should a caliphate ever be created, the decadent left and useful idiots like Mr. Giraldi would be the first to the sword.

    Palestinians only there since 1960? Duh? Who was there before 1960, 1940, 1900? What do you know; the place was unpopulated. Wish we had known, we could have advised the American Indians to move right in.

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  • WASHINGTON AND OBAMA ARE JUST OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE JUDAISTS AND ZIONISTS.

    Great article, and you are so right, Mr. Giraldi.

    Except the politicians in Washington, including Obama, are owned and operated by their Jewish masters, such as AIPAC, etc. Washington is just a colony of Israel. 50% of all the campaign contributions of the Democrats come from the Judaists. They called Obama the first Jewish President in their magazines.

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  • @Dave Pinsen
    Should Israel listen to what our pols say or learn from our example? We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?

    So, in your infinite wisdom, the US should allow any nation to run amok of international law and justice because they did it way before? Remember that what Israel is doing can never happen in a million years without the US support. Yours is typical zionist deflection.

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  • @Karl
    >>> Since Moses never existed, Judaism, the notion of Israel, the promised land, and “Jew” all collapse like a house of cards.


    But your completely ok with Muslim claims to ownership of the Temple Mount (there WAS a Judean Temple there, the Romans didn't invent their story of burning it down to the ground) because of a not-in-the-Koran oral legend that Mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse from the place

    Pointy white sheets in Israel galore. Bibi is the current Grand Dragon.
    Wonder why with all these Israeli archaeological digs that have been conducted over the past half-century, only Arab and Roman remains – buildings, pottery, etc?

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  • @Mr. Blank
    Well, I had been reading some of Giraldi's stuff and had been finding it interesting, but not any longer. If he doesn't believe in "American exceptionalism," that pretty much absolves me of any responsibility to take him seriously.

    Maybe it's just because I was raised as an uneducated Alabama redneck, but I believe in "American exceptionalism" in my bones. God Bless The USA. :)

    Golly, JoeBob! Good on ya for being so simple and accepting the diktats of authority with nary a peep. The Wall St. fatcats need the blood of the kids of deluded rednecks to keep their money pump primed for profit.

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  • @Dwimmerlaik
    I was correct with my spelling. I was not referring to their geographical location as you seem to think I am. I was referring to the fact that before the 60's when they cynically rebranded themselves as "Palestinians" to foment some sort of national identity, they were simply referred to and referred to each other as what they are, Arabs.

    Though your point isn't wholly inaccurate. There was a small permanent Arab population in the area, and in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, around an estimated 800,000 left the area, or were expelled, usually by calls from advancing Arab armies not wanting them in the way as the tried to push all the Jews into the sea. At any rate, roughly the same number of Jews were expelled from the Arab world and ended up in Israel. In the end it was actually a reasonable population exchange. The difference being that Israel integrated the displaced Jews into Israel while the Arabs have cynically kept the "Palestinians" in permanent "refugee camps" as a political tool.

    Stop lying. The Jews pushed them out, it isn’t a secret – the Stern Gang and Haganah were what we would call today, “terrorist organizations” not the advancing Arab armies who didn’t want them in the way as they were trying to push the Jews into the sea. That’s a load of crap.
    Funny choice of words there – most of Israel’s shrill Hasbarat trolls would say “push all the Jews into the sea” without any basis in fact.

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  • @Dave Pinsen
    Should Israel listen to what our pols say or learn from our example? We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?

    Yeah sure that will happen. Tomorrow.

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  • […] The Unz - So Israel is building 2,610 new housing units in East Jerusalem and in contiguous areas on the West Bank at a time when international sentiment against its unending occupation of Palestine is growing, particularly among Europeans if one goes by recent developments in Sweden, Britain and in Ireland. The administration of President Barack Obama is reported to be “deeply concerned” and even seriously annoyed by the latest Israeli thumb inserted squarely in the American eye, but has not taken any action to pressure Tel Aviv into reversing course. […]

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  • @Dwimmerlaik
    I have a hard time taking serious any article that begins by being factually wrong in the headline. Jerusalem is the national capital and seat of government for Israel which makes the comparison of Tel Aviv to Washington incorrect. Of course, I know this is intentional because the author doesn't recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel, which only exposes the innate bias with which the article was written.

    The point about the American founding fathers being wholly secular is also dubious. Anyone who has read the written works by them knows that. One of many examples:

    "[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

    (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

    Also, referring to the "Palestinians" (they have only been that since the 1960s) as the "indigenous" is laughable.

    So much wrong with this article, but I'll leave it at that. The support for Palestinians and Muslims in general among the left and some strands of conservatism continues to baffle me. Should a caliphate ever be created, the decadent left and useful idiots like Mr. Giraldi would be the first to the sword.

    Wow…where to begin.
    First, Mister Giraldi is recognizing US policy about Jerusalem, which you as an American (presumption) of undivided loyalty, should accede to.

    Second, whether the Founding Fathers were secular or not is beside the point. They recognized the dangers of a Theocracy, as incompatible with democracy, and steered their new country away from it.

    Third, if the Palestinians aren’t indigenous before the 1960′s (what??) then who were those Arabs in Jerusalem and throughout the western sector of the Mandate for Palestine that were murdering and maiming Jews throughout the Jerusalem riots of the 1920′s and who provoked the Arab Revolt of 1936 lasting through 1939. You know, THAT revolt urged on by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and partially suppressed by Orde Wingate’s Special Night Squads, which formed the model and leadership of the IDF.

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  • Mr. Giraldi,

    You left out what is perhaps another salient fact the exceptional and chosen peoples share–in our case, the genocide and theft of Native American lands and, in the case of the chosen, genocide of Palestinians and the theft of their land.

    I am not suggesting that, at least in our case, we give the land back to the Native Americans–although we could do a lot better by them–but both us and the Zionists need to come to terms with that essential truth.

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  • @Dave Pinsen
    Should Israel listen to what our pols say or learn from our example? We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?

    Humm,

    We do not have to condemn them per se. But we sure as hell should not be spending our tax money on them, and shielding them at the UN. As we get the blowback from their ethnic cleansing and bad policy. Remember Israel is a terrorist manufacturer. They radicalized the whole region. The US does not have to tell them how to act, but they should fund their own stupidity.

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    @Dave Pinsen
    Should Israel listen to what our pols say or learn from our example? We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?

    Great argument by Dave.

    The old “because horrible things were done to other people in other places and at other times, we should not condemn the horrific behavior of the Zionists” hasbara.

    And apparently gladly hand over billions upon billions of our tax dollars to them each year to allow them do these horrific things.

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  • @Dwimmerlaik
    I was correct with my spelling. I was not referring to their geographical location as you seem to think I am. I was referring to the fact that before the 60's when they cynically rebranded themselves as "Palestinians" to foment some sort of national identity, they were simply referred to and referred to each other as what they are, Arabs.

    Though your point isn't wholly inaccurate. There was a small permanent Arab population in the area, and in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, around an estimated 800,000 left the area, or were expelled, usually by calls from advancing Arab armies not wanting them in the way as the tried to push all the Jews into the sea. At any rate, roughly the same number of Jews were expelled from the Arab world and ended up in Israel. In the end it was actually a reasonable population exchange. The difference being that Israel integrated the displaced Jews into Israel while the Arabs have cynically kept the "Palestinians" in permanent "refugee camps" as a political tool.

    Hasbara, hasbara, and more boring hasbara. If only those 800,000 people had stayed they would have been welcomed into the loving arms of the Zionists.

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  • @Dave Pinsen
    I thought Vespasian kicked Palestinian ass, since they're indigenous to the holy land. Or are you suggesting the Jews were there first?

    Not that that matters, of course. The Normans aren't leaving Britain just because the Angles, Saxons, and Juttes were there first.

    They are Jews because they subscribe to a religion called Judaism. They could be called Palestinian because they lived in a land called Palestine.

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  • Amazing. With evidence coming forth that civilizations had evolved up to forty-thousand years ago the United States, being less than 300 years old thinks itself the indispensable nation.

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  • @Dave Pinsen
    Should Israel listen to what our pols say or learn from our example? We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?

    You forgot to mention the 54 millions bisons, all genocide as well.

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  • @Dwimmerlaik
    I have a hard time taking serious any article that begins by being factually wrong in the headline. Jerusalem is the national capital and seat of government for Israel which makes the comparison of Tel Aviv to Washington incorrect. Of course, I know this is intentional because the author doesn't recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel, which only exposes the innate bias with which the article was written.

    The point about the American founding fathers being wholly secular is also dubious. Anyone who has read the written works by them knows that. One of many examples:

    "[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

    (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

    Also, referring to the "Palestinians" (they have only been that since the 1960s) as the "indigenous" is laughable.

    So much wrong with this article, but I'll leave it at that. The support for Palestinians and Muslims in general among the left and some strands of conservatism continues to baffle me. Should a caliphate ever be created, the decadent left and useful idiots like Mr. Giraldi would be the first to the sword.

    Giraldi does not say the Founding Fathers of the USA were secularists: he says they were not particularly religious and that they owed more to the French Enlightenment than to the Bible or the Torah. The French Enlightenment was generally Deistic rather than Atheistic and the Masonic beliefs of many of the Founding Fathers were of that stamp. What Giraldi wrote is historically correct. Second, Jerusalem is not the internationally recognised capital of Israel: in international law, it is an occupied city. There is no right of conquest in modern international law. Israel claims the city as it’s capital but those are not recognised by other states. With two such glaring errors, I still have taken your comments seriously as sincerely held, and disagreed with them

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  • >>> Since Moses never existed, Judaism, the notion of Israel, the promised land, and “Jew” all collapse like a house of cards.

    But your completely ok with Muslim claims to ownership of the Temple Mount (there WAS a Judean Temple there, the Romans didn’t invent their story of burning it down to the ground) because of a not-in-the-Koran oral legend that Mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse from the place

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    Pointy white sheets in Israel galore. Bibi is the current Grand Dragon.
    Wonder why with all these Israeli archaeological digs that have been conducted over the past half-century, only Arab and Roman remains - buildings, pottery, etc?
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  • @Chu
    Dwimmerlaik: (they have only been that since the 1960s)


    - that should be "they have only been thERE since the 1960's".
    As an Israeli hasbarat, you should should double check your spelling.

    But to say they've only been there since the 1960's is more laughable
    that Israel's right to land after 2000 years. Yahweh saved this
    area of land for your return after 2000 years? Sounds messianic
    and full bore delusional.

    I was correct with my spelling. I was not referring to their geographical location as you seem to think I am. I was referring to the fact that before the 60′s when they cynically rebranded themselves as “Palestinians” to foment some sort of national identity, they were simply referred to and referred to each other as what they are, Arabs.

    Though your point isn’t wholly inaccurate. There was a small permanent Arab population in the area, and in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, around an estimated 800,000 left the area, or were expelled, usually by calls from advancing Arab armies not wanting them in the way as the tried to push all the Jews into the sea. At any rate, roughly the same number of Jews were expelled from the Arab world and ended up in Israel. In the end it was actually a reasonable population exchange. The difference being that Israel integrated the displaced Jews into Israel while the Arabs have cynically kept the “Palestinians” in permanent “refugee camps” as a political tool.

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    Hasbara, hasbara, and more boring hasbara. If only those 800,000 people had stayed they would have been welcomed into the loving arms of the Zionists.
    , @KKK Israel
    Stop lying. The Jews pushed them out, it isn't a secret - the Stern Gang and Haganah were what we would call today, "terrorist organizations" not the advancing Arab armies who didn't want them in the way as they were trying to push the Jews into the sea. That's a load of crap.
    Funny choice of words there - most of Israel's shrill Hasbarat trolls would say "push all the Jews into the sea" without any basis in fact.
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  • @Art
    Any Christian who has no empathy for the Palestinians is not a New Testament Christian. A practicing philosophical Christian is not a tribalist. All human life is sacred to Christianity – clearly that is not the case in the Old Testament. Clearly Jewish ideology has not been upgraded to modern mores.

    When Christians turn to the Old Testament and its tribalist God – they do wrong – they abandon Jesus’ idealism.

    Nope. Wrong on all points.

    Christians should have empathy for Palestinians not only because they are fellow human beings but because the Christians among them trace their descent from the Early Church. Would you recognize the face of the unbroken lineage of the Holy Apostolic Church if you ever encountered it?

    Life is sacred even in the Old Testament. “Thou shalt not kill.”

    Jewish ideology, at least so far as the Jewish state is concerned, has, sadly, actually kept up with modern times as there are many puzzling parallels, to say the least, with the Nazi treatment of Jews and the Israeli treatment of Palestinians. Hasbara is like Nazi propaganda. Gaza is the world’s largest concentration camp. The Jewish state is overarching in its power. Even some Jews recognize all of this and more.

    Christians do no wrong to turn to the Old Testament, it is the foundation of the New Testament and foretold of the coming of Christ; all Christians embrace both Old and New Testaments.

    You miss the point of Christ’s coming entirely. If you want a teacher of idealism, look elsewhere. Christ came to reconcile sinners (I am one) to God through the sacrifice of His blood, something that can be understood through illumination by the scriptures, Old and New Testaments, which you are wrong to discount. If you are just looking for Christ as a teacher, you are dead in your sins. Hopefully that is not the case.

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  • @Dave Pinsen
    Israel's equivalent of the IRS is active in Gaza? The Palestinians could have built casinos there and turned it into a resort for wealthy Arabs. Instead, they prefer to live on UN welfare when they're not goading Israel into bombing them by launching rockets.

    Bibi’s brought all of this on himself. If he’d stop antagonizing his neighbors then maybe he wouldn’t have as many enemies as he does right now.

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  • @Art
    Any Christian who has no empathy for the Palestinians is not a New Testament Christian. A practicing philosophical Christian is not a tribalist. All human life is sacred to Christianity – clearly that is not the case in the Old Testament. Clearly Jewish ideology has not been upgraded to modern mores.

    When Christians turn to the Old Testament and its tribalist God – they do wrong – they abandon Jesus’ idealism.

    Exactly, Art. Christians who turn to the Old Testament, the Talmud and their tribalist God; they do serious wrong; they reject Jesus Christ’s teachings; they are no longer Christians, but apostates. What Christians sorely need to do is return to the Gospels of the New Testament and turn their backs on hatred.
    Jesus roundly condemned the Scribes and Pharisees for their hypocrisy and arrogance. He would certainly condemn the current leadership in Israel today if He came down and visited them.
    “Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs filled with dead men’s bones.” ~ Matthew 23:27
    “You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?” ~ Matthew 23:33
    Jesus foresaw the sacking of Jerusalem and destruction of the 2nd Temple, as well as the expulsion of the Hebrews from Palestine. The city was sacked in 70 AD by the Romans, and the Temple destroyed and its treasures looted. At around 130 AD, after a final revolt was put down by Hadrian and his legions, the Hebrews were expelled and driven to the far reaches of the Roman Empire. Those who were expelled never returned.
    Jesus preached peace, love and brotherhood, which the Hebrews ultimately rejected. They brought on their own downfall decades later. Modern Israelis (whose ancestors originated in the Caucasus) are doing the same; they’re alienating the rest of humanity with their extreme hubris, arrogance, and brutality toward the indigenous inhabitants of the Holy Land – the Palestinians.

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  • @Dwimmerlaik
    I have a hard time taking serious any article that begins by being factually wrong in the headline. Jerusalem is the national capital and seat of government for Israel which makes the comparison of Tel Aviv to Washington incorrect. Of course, I know this is intentional because the author doesn't recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel, which only exposes the innate bias with which the article was written.

    The point about the American founding fathers being wholly secular is also dubious. Anyone who has read the written works by them knows that. One of many examples:

    "[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

    (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

    Also, referring to the "Palestinians" (they have only been that since the 1960s) as the "indigenous" is laughable.

    So much wrong with this article, but I'll leave it at that. The support for Palestinians and Muslims in general among the left and some strands of conservatism continues to baffle me. Should a caliphate ever be created, the decadent left and useful idiots like Mr. Giraldi would be the first to the sword.

    No one does fear mongering better than Bibi.

    Take a look.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4517536,00.html

    Even his own think he’s using scare tactics when it comes to places like Iran.

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  • From http://www.mondoweiss.com

    ADL , Brandeis Center , and every other known Jewish body are at it again, trying to get Jerusalem and West Bank by crafting of ideas and words . These agents have argued the case in the court . They want to bypass legal authorities ,create a legal precedent and keep on annexing different parts that still not annexed by the Zionist . They have destroyed the law withing their country . Now they are trying to wreck American legal system openly .

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/11/jerusalem-supreme-buying#sthash.7FHdLAbs.dpuf

    911 has brought so much revenues to this nation and still continues to do so. No wonder Netanyhu was leading the Anti Rabin demonstration before his shooting death . No wonder he said ” 911 was good for Israel” and now is destroying every hope raised in OSLO

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  • “If *ever* there was a time going to be a time for a debate on these terms, now is it. The question is, will it be seized?”

    Sort of like, “If not now, then when? If not me, then who?” and “If I am not for myself, then who?”

    All good questions for ourselves, as Americans.

    BTW, I am appalled by the genuinely scurrilous anti-semitism posted here, I assume by Hasbarists who want to discredit Phil Giraldi by tarring him by association.

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  • @Mr. Blank
    Well, I had been reading some of Giraldi's stuff and had been finding it interesting, but not any longer. If he doesn't believe in "American exceptionalism," that pretty much absolves me of any responsibility to take him seriously.

    Maybe it's just because I was raised as an uneducated Alabama redneck, but I believe in "American exceptionalism" in my bones. God Bless The USA. :)

    I wish you were my neighbor. I am sure you would want the same rules to apply to me as apply to you. In that way, you would not even want to be exceptional. That’s what Mr. Giraldi is talking about. The righteous country wants for others what it wants for itself.

    Could I live in peace as your neighbor if I felt I could impose my will on you? I doubt it.

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  • Excellent article, as always, by Geraldi but he seems to paint Obama as an uninformed victim of the zionist policies. It was the zionists who were critical to his meteoric rise in politics and Obama is well aware of it and mostly obedient. The billionaire Pritzkers and Crowns helped groom him and asssist in funding his campaigns through their network. Some influencial zionists during the 2008 campaign called him the First Jewish President. He appointed Penny Pritzker (who is rabidly anti-union and a major fraudster through her Superior Bank in the 2008 financial crisis) to head the Department of Commerce as payback. While Obama may occaisionally bristtle at the arrogance and disrespect of Netanyahoo and his Likud thugs, he does nothing of substance to put them in their place other than some weak passive aggressive slights. He’s as captured by the zionists as Congress.

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  • @Quercus
    I'm going to enjoy the howls of "anti semitism" after some read this sentence: we need someone like Vespasian to come in and kick Jewish ass.

    I can almost hear the howls. It's delightful.

    I thought Vespasian kicked Palestinian ass, since they’re indigenous to the holy land. Or are you suggesting the Jews were there first?

    Not that that matters, of course. The Normans aren’t leaving Britain just because the Angles, Saxons, and Juttes were there first.

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    They are Jews because they subscribe to a religion called Judaism. They could be called Palestinian because they lived in a land called Palestine.
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  • @Max Payne
    Except Palestinians aren't allowed to run a tax-free anything.....so yeah. I mean I'm sure any Palestinian would trade all the land under his feet for such amazing exceptions in a wealthy nation (such as the US). Then in 20-30 years after amassing billions he too can take the same road as Israel and reclaim his land under some religious dogma or another (with massive wealth pressuring the West not to intervene).

    Israel’s equivalent of the IRS is active in Gaza? The Palestinians could have built casinos there and turned it into a resort for wealthy Arabs. Instead, they prefer to live on UN welfare when they’re not goading Israel into bombing them by launching rockets.

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    Bibi's brought all of this on himself. If he'd stop antagonizing his neighbors then maybe he wouldn't have as many enemies as he does right now.
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  • @John Jeremiah Smith

    We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?
     
    Who are we to condemn them? Offhand, I would go with "aware of history, trained in modern philosophy and political science, educated, and ethical".

    And you would ...?

    If you’re aware of history, then you know that most nations are born in war, including the United States. Israel is no more morally obligated to cede its land to Palestinians than we are to the Indians.

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    Oh, gosh Dave, except for a few "minor" adjustments made by humanity in order that the like of which you described does NOT occur again.
    World Criminal Court; Fourth Geneva Convention; United Nations; any of these ring a bell with you?
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  • @Leslie Jacobs
    Money rules right now, so there will be no real changes to this game until the economy crashes. Germany was the country in Europe in the 19th century where the Jews had the most opportunity and fewest restrictions; they moved there in large numbers and got rich. When the stock market crashed in 1929 more than 1200 of fewer than 1500 seats on the Berlin exchange were in Jewish hands. The Holocaust did not happen in a vacuum. What is going to happen in America when the dollar crashes? Most of the American Jews I knew when I traveled in Asia in the 1970s are now living somewhere else, Asia and Australia mostly.

    This was the obsession with many young religious Jews in Israel working on digs in the desert forty years ago, what they talked about late at night: "We are going to do it again you know," pause to bob back and forth. "Our secular cousins control America, the financial system, Congress, the media, and they are going to drive that illiterate gentile herd into a long series of wars against all of the Muslim nations, to make money and in order to take the West Bank while the hate is turned on. It will be our downfall, because this latest usury bubble of ours is going to burst. They always do eventually, and then Little Annie Frank is going to be lift holding the bag again."

    Marvelously cogent observation. Post WW2, post-holocaust, that observation would have been nearly impossible. It would have been so monstrously politically incorrect. As an American and a Jew I never once heard anyone ask the simple question”Why?” regarding the reasons behind the holocaust. (Just as post-911, the obvious question — Why? — was not asked. George Bush then pre-empted the question by offering his ridiculous “They hate us for our freedoms.”) Similarly, the “reason” offered for the holocaust was “anti-Semitism”, a fluffy, substance-free non-explanation explanation.

    The reason for all the anti-Jewish reaction down the millennium from Egypt to Hitler to the next one, the one being built in the Zionist criminal project, is the same, and you hit it on the head: the Jews go somewhere, do well — for themselves and others — till they finally come to dominate, get abusive toward the locals, and get chased out……… or worse. Tragically, as you have observed, it’s always the Anne Franks, the little people, who pay the price for the abuses of the wealthy elite.

    Not until I was fifty did I find a reality-based treatment of the “Why?” I found it in Mark Twain’s “Concerning the Jews”, which should be required reading for everyone, most particularly for my fellow Jews. That is if anyone is interested in changing the five-thousand year Jewish habit of attempted suicide-by-Goy.

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  • @Fran Macadam
    "This has meant that tens of millions of the current generation of Americans are insisting on a need to return to their versions of Biblical morality"

    Don't worry, the immorality inherent in war and occupations won't be affected, because those in power aren't either moral or representative of any but a democratically unaccountable elite cabal - that has less than zero to do with fidelity to Christian scripture.

    Has Jewish suffering been unique? One might wish it were, since that would mean that particular anti-human atrocity of the Holocaust is now past and the actual and potential suffering of human beings at the hands of their fellows is now a relic. Sadly, the depredations in history fuel those of the future, thus World War I and its unforeseen consequences, including the Holocaust, are the retributive gift that just keeps on giving. In human families, the abused often become in turn abusers; so it is with the families of peoples.

    re “Has Jewish suffering been unique? One might wish it were, since that would mean that particular anti-human atrocity of the Holocaust is now past and the actual and potential suffering of human beings at the hands of their fellows is now a relic.”

    Something even more fundamental is at stake, and the assertion “the particular anti-human atrocity of the holocaust …” ignores it.

    The fundamental elements that must be explored are:
    A. whether the holocaust, as it is demanded to be understood, is the ‘truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.’

    B. what other atrocities — crimes against humanity — were committed by the guys in the white hats? Were they held to account for them?

    C. Who is responsible for setting in motion the events that culminated in the ‘holocaust’ AND in the crimes against humanity carried out by Allies? What were those actions? I submit that key among the actions that set WWII in motion was the economic war on Germany, the intent of which was to destroy Germany’s economy.

    D. Point C is crucially important because the United States is engaged in exactly the same brand of economic warfare against numerous sovereign states, including Iran, Russia, Syria, Cuba, Gaza, etc., with the same intent — destabilizing populations and toppling governments — as was carried out against Germany, under the leadership of Jewish actors and those non-Jews who were persuaded or coerced to join their campaign.

    If you don’t want a boulder to roll down hill and crush innocent people, don’t kick away the pebbles that hold it in place.

    If you don’t want a holocaust, don’t destabilize other people’s people, governments and economies.

    It’s not that complicated.

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  • Well, I had been reading some of Giraldi’s stuff and had been finding it interesting, but not any longer. If he doesn’t believe in “American exceptionalism,” that pretty much absolves me of any responsibility to take him seriously.

    Maybe it’s just because I was raised as an uneducated Alabama redneck, but I believe in “American exceptionalism” in my bones. God Bless The USA. :)

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    I wish you were my neighbor. I am sure you would want the same rules to apply to me as apply to you. In that way, you would not even want to be exceptional. That’s what Mr. Giraldi is talking about. The righteous country wants for others what it wants for itself.

    Could I live in peace as your neighbor if I felt I could impose my will on you? I doubt it.
    , @KKK Israel
    Golly, JoeBob! Good on ya for being so simple and accepting the diktats of authority with nary a peep. The Wall St. fatcats need the blood of the kids of deluded rednecks to keep their money pump primed for profit.
    , @Gypsy
    Yeppers, Mr. Blank, that must be the reason. You're no more exceptional than a Mongolian yak-herder, and neither am I.
    Kudos, Philip, for yet another stellar article.
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  • In one of her more obnoxious rants Debbie Lipstadt said that she knew that David Irving represented himself as an “historic revisionist” but she called him a “Holocaust denier.” She included that category under the larger label, “Hater.” http://www.c-span.org/video/?186164-1/lipstadtirving-libel-trial

    Whatever, Deb.

    Holocaust “denial” or “revision” is a moral imperative; only by weighing all sides of a story does one arrive at truth, and justice.

    Holocaust denial is a moral imperative for people who believe in freedom.

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  • @Dwimmerlaik
    I have a hard time taking serious any article that begins by being factually wrong in the headline. Jerusalem is the national capital and seat of government for Israel which makes the comparison of Tel Aviv to Washington incorrect. Of course, I know this is intentional because the author doesn't recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel, which only exposes the innate bias with which the article was written.

    The point about the American founding fathers being wholly secular is also dubious. Anyone who has read the written works by them knows that. One of many examples:

    "[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

    (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

    Also, referring to the "Palestinians" (they have only been that since the 1960s) as the "indigenous" is laughable.

    So much wrong with this article, but I'll leave it at that. The support for Palestinians and Muslims in general among the left and some strands of conservatism continues to baffle me. Should a caliphate ever be created, the decadent left and useful idiots like Mr. Giraldi would be the first to the sword.

    Dwimmerlaik: (they have only been that since the 1960s)

    - that should be “they have only been thERE since the 1960′s”.
    As an Israeli hasbarat, you should should double check your spelling.

    But to say they’ve only been there since the 1960′s is more laughable
    that Israel’s right to land after 2000 years. Yahweh saved this
    area of land for your return after 2000 years? Sounds messianic
    and full bore delusional.

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    I was correct with my spelling. I was not referring to their geographical location as you seem to think I am. I was referring to the fact that before the 60's when they cynically rebranded themselves as "Palestinians" to foment some sort of national identity, they were simply referred to and referred to each other as what they are, Arabs.

    Though your point isn't wholly inaccurate. There was a small permanent Arab population in the area, and in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, around an estimated 800,000 left the area, or were expelled, usually by calls from advancing Arab armies not wanting them in the way as the tried to push all the Jews into the sea. At any rate, roughly the same number of Jews were expelled from the Arab world and ended up in Israel. In the end it was actually a reasonable population exchange. The difference being that Israel integrated the displaced Jews into Israel while the Arabs have cynically kept the "Palestinians" in permanent "refugee camps" as a political tool.
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  • @Dave Pinsen
    Should Israel listen to what our pols say or learn from our example? We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?

    Except Palestinians aren’t allowed to run a tax-free anything…..so yeah. I mean I’m sure any Palestinian would trade all the land under his feet for such amazing exceptions in a wealthy nation (such as the US). Then in 20-30 years after amassing billions he too can take the same road as Israel and reclaim his land under some religious dogma or another (with massive wealth pressuring the West not to intervene).

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    Israel's equivalent of the IRS is active in Gaza? The Palestinians could have built casinos there and turned it into a resort for wealthy Arabs. Instead, they prefer to live on UN welfare when they're not goading Israel into bombing them by launching rockets.
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  • Not that Giraldi was trying to accomplish any mass persuasion here and instead was just being analytical, but the problem of changing U.S. policy on the subject is that such an analytical approach is indeed the sort typically made by those trying to accomplish mass persuasion and it won’t work.

    In the first place, and as shown by any number of the commentators here, such an approach is just going to be cheese-pared to death by the partisans (if not paid hack) of Israel. So even concentrating on the plight of the Palestinians is gonna be a loser, as is any approach that tries to just nudge our policies to be more “even-handed” or “forcing” Israel to do X or Y.

    Just as the critics of our Vietnam policy failed when they tried “educating” the American public about all the “background” to that conflict, including some of the dubious dealings the U.S. was involved in regarding same, any such focus or concentration is just hopeless.

    What worked in changing Vietnam policy was the argument that the war was just simply more costly than it was worth, if it was indeed worth anything at all. And that’s the exact same argument that I think is true vis a vis our policies as regards Israel and the Palestinians. To first of all point out that it’s none of our business, and secondly the way to be strictly fair is also the way to honor our interest which is one of just purely and simply getting and staying out and being neutral, period. Neither favoring nor disfavoring either side.

    With all this being accompanied by the observation that simply can no longer be denied that our involvement with Israel means our attempted manipulation into wars for its sake even. And in that respect a watershed moment has essentially just occurred.

    Before, that is, any such charge—no matter how obviously true it was given what’s known about the neo-con involvement in our Iraq invasion alone—was greeted with the most howling if not hysterical denials and charges of slander.

    Now however, after what happened this Spring when AIPAC and the other Israeli-centric organizations and even Israeli officials themselves were trying to get us into launching a war against Iran (against our *President’s* own wishes and judgment), that just simply isn’t possible. As clearly and blatantly as possible Israel was up to its lips in trying to get us to expend our blood and treasure for its sake, period.

    And that, I believe, is *precisely* the sort of argumentation that the American people need to hear to start changing their mind in a big way towards our ME policies. *Not* talking about the relative moral merits of jews and arabs, or the alleged implication or non-implication of the Holocaust or what happened in ’48 or ’67 or whenever.

    Instead and again, talk about what our *interests* are and how we ought not be so stupid as to be the only country in the world that is urged to harm itself (much less go to war) for someone *else’s* interests.

    Israel thus may have every interest in the world to attack Iran. But that doesn’t mean that’s where *our* interests lie. And the same is true of ISIS. (Yet another conflict we’ve got ourselves into via the cheerleading mainly of the Israeli-First crowd I think.)

    And the virtues of this approach and concentration are obvious: Gone are all the endless, involved arguments and obfuscations about … the San Remo conference and whether the Palestinians are really just stay-behind jews and on and on. Instead of course the issue is the far clearer one of just simply whether our interests are being served by being up to our necks in what is clearly the quagmire of the Middle East, or instead to stay as far away from same as is possible.

    If you ask me then, it isn’t going to be until you see the debate focused on this fundamental issue that you are going to see pressure on the U.S. to change its policies. And the tell-tale sign of this is the fervor with which Israeli partisans object to any such discussion whatsoever, and call names at those who want to debate that issue. Because they too know of its potency and potential, and now that what happened in Spring has happened and is so revealing, like I say, I think a watershed moment has arrived.

    With the sole question then being whether it is going to be recognized as such or not. With the results, so far, not seeming very good and people forgetting the full court press that was being applied to Obama to indeed have no option but to start that war with Iran.

    If *ever* there was a time going to be a time for a debate on these terms, now is it. The question is, will it be seized?

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    No,.it won't be. Because the Masters of Discourse, the media Jews wont allow it.
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  • MOSES NEVER EXISTED, EXODUS NEVER HAPPENED.
    JEW AND ISRAEL ARE MERE MYTHS.

    Great article and so true. Here, I will show that these beliefs of the Judaists are basically delusions.

    Judaists believe they are “Jews” and diaspora of Israel and rely primarily on the Torah for this claim.

    The main book of Judaism, called the Torah (the first 5 books of the Old Testament, “OT”) is filled with stories of a man called Moses, the story of Exodus and the persecution of Jews by an Egyptian king who allegedly enslaved them.

    The Torah is obvious mythology. The fact that it is fiction is obvious from Book 1, Page 1. The Earth is not 6000 years old. Cultures (unknown to the scribes) flourished much before. Written records and archeological evidence using carbon dating show man’s presence tens of thousands of years ago, probably over a 100,000 years ago. A million people cannot live in a vast desert (without water or food) in a hostile nation for 40 years–and leave no trace.

    The Documentary Hypothesis showed that the Old Testament was weaved together out of four source documents by 4 authors and produced much later than claimed.

    See “The Forgery of the Old Testament” by Joseph McCabe online.
    Also see: “The age of Reason”, Thomas Paine, in which Paine labels the OT as “spurious.”

    Furthermore, archeological and historical evidence has proven Moses, Exodus, Abraham, Joshua, King David, etc. to be basically myths copied from African and Eastern/Middle Eastern cultures.

    For eg., according to Prof. Ze’ev Herzog who teaches in the Department of Archaeology and Ancient Near Eastern Studies at Tel Aviv University, in “Deconstructing the Walls of Jericho”, states as follows:

    “This is what archaeologists have learned from their excavations in the Land of Israel: the Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united monarchy of David and Solomon, which is described by the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom…… Most of those who are engaged in scientific work in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology and the history of the Jewish people – and who once went into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible story – now agree that the historic events relating to the stages of the Jewish people’s emergence are radically different from what that story tells.” (in an article in the Jewish magazine Haaretz):

    http://www.truthbeknown.com/biblemyth.htm

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/chosen-people.html

    http://www.worldagesarchive.com/Reference_Links/False_Testament_(Harpers).htm

    Ancient Egyptians, who kept one of the most detailed ancient historic details, make no mention of any Jews there or other historic events of any “Moses or any “Jew” slaves escaping, though they make mention of one Egyptian slave who once escaped and was caught. The Moses myth was copied from the myth of Mises of Sargon.

    Also, most of the Judaists are whites whose ancestors converted to Judaism in the Middle Ages, and never were ever in Israel–ever.

    The fact is there was no Abraham, nor Moses, nor any King David, no enslavement in Egypt, and no Exodus. All these stories are myths copied from prevalent Zorastrian, Egyptian (i.e. African) and other Eastern myths (such as Sargon & Mises/Manu myths, the Code of Hammurabi, etc.) prevalent around that time in the Near East and projected back in time. Moses never existed.

    Since Moses never existed, Judaism, the notion of Israel, the promised land, and “Jew” all collapse like a house of cards.

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  • @JoaoAlfaiate
    History is littered with unconquerable capitals, unsinkable ships and Thousand Year Reichs. The zionist enterprise is headed the same direction, led by a bunch of fanatics and nut jobs.

    Joao Alfaiate … Portuguese: John Taylor.

    Good points.

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  • @Dave Pinsen
    Should Israel listen to what our pols say or learn from our example? We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?

    We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?

    Who are we to condemn them? Offhand, I would go with “aware of history, trained in modern philosophy and political science, educated, and ethical”.

    And you would …?

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    If you're aware of history, then you know that most nations are born in war, including the United States. Israel is no more morally obligated to cede its land to Palestinians than we are to the Indians.
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  • “This has meant that tens of millions of the current generation of Americans are insisting on a need to return to their versions of Biblical morality”

    Don’t worry, the immorality inherent in war and occupations won’t be affected, because those in power aren’t either moral or representative of any but a democratically unaccountable elite cabal – that has less than zero to do with fidelity to Christian scripture.

    Has Jewish suffering been unique? One might wish it were, since that would mean that particular anti-human atrocity of the Holocaust is now past and the actual and potential suffering of human beings at the hands of their fellows is now a relic. Sadly, the depredations in history fuel those of the future, thus World War I and its unforeseen consequences, including the Holocaust, are the retributive gift that just keeps on giving. In human families, the abused often become in turn abusers; so it is with the families of peoples.

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    re "Has Jewish suffering been unique? One might wish it were, since that would mean that particular anti-human atrocity of the Holocaust is now past and the actual and potential suffering of human beings at the hands of their fellows is now a relic."


    Something even more fundamental is at stake, and the assertion "the particular anti-human atrocity of the holocaust ..." ignores it.

    The fundamental elements that must be explored are:
    A. whether the holocaust, as it is demanded to be understood, is the 'truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.'

    B. what other atrocities -- crimes against humanity -- were committed by the guys in the white hats? Were they held to account for them?

    C. Who is responsible for setting in motion the events that culminated in the 'holocaust' AND in the crimes against humanity carried out by Allies? What were those actions? I submit that key among the actions that set WWII in motion was the economic war on Germany, the intent of which was to destroy Germany's economy.

    D. Point C is crucially important because the United States is engaged in exactly the same brand of economic warfare against numerous sovereign states, including Iran, Russia, Syria, Cuba, Gaza, etc., with the same intent -- destabilizing populations and toppling governments -- as was carried out against Germany, under the leadership of Jewish actors and those non-Jews who were persuaded or coerced to join their campaign.

    If you don't want a boulder to roll down hill and crush innocent people, don't kick away the pebbles that hold it in place.

    If you don't want a holocaust, don't destabilize other people's people, governments and economies.

    It's not that complicated.
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  • @Dwimmerlaik
    I have a hard time taking serious any article that begins by being factually wrong in the headline. Jerusalem is the national capital and seat of government for Israel which makes the comparison of Tel Aviv to Washington incorrect. Of course, I know this is intentional because the author doesn't recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel, which only exposes the innate bias with which the article was written.

    The point about the American founding fathers being wholly secular is also dubious. Anyone who has read the written works by them knows that. One of many examples:

    "[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

    (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

    Also, referring to the "Palestinians" (they have only been that since the 1960s) as the "indigenous" is laughable.

    So much wrong with this article, but I'll leave it at that. The support for Palestinians and Muslims in general among the left and some strands of conservatism continues to baffle me. Should a caliphate ever be created, the decadent left and useful idiots like Mr. Giraldi would be the first to the sword.

    History is littered with unconquerable capitals, unsinkable ships and Thousand Year Reichs. The zionist enterprise is headed the same direction, led by a bunch of fanatics and nut jobs.

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    Joao Alfaiate ... Portuguese: John Taylor.

    Good points.
    , @Orville H. Larson
    Damn straight. Israel--that criminal, racist Zionist entity--
    is indeed led by "fanatics and nut jobs."

    And how about the "exceptional," "indispensable" USA?
    If and when, say, Vlad Putin gets sick and tired of American lawlessness and warmongering, and he vectors
    an ICBM onto Washington, District of Corruption . . . well,
    I shan't complain. . . .
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  • I have a hard time taking serious any article that begins by being factually wrong in the headline. Jerusalem is the national capital and seat of government for Israel which makes the comparison of Tel Aviv to Washington incorrect. Of course, I know this is intentional because the author doesn’t recognize Jerusalem as part of Israel, which only exposes the innate bias with which the article was written.

    The point about the American founding fathers being wholly secular is also dubious. Anyone who has read the written works by them knows that. One of many examples:

    “[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

    (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

    Also, referring to the “Palestinians” (they have only been that since the 1960s) as the “indigenous” is laughable.

    So much wrong with this article, but I’ll leave it at that. The support for Palestinians and Muslims in general among the left and some strands of conservatism continues to baffle me. Should a caliphate ever be created, the decadent left and useful idiots like Mr. Giraldi would be the first to the sword.

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    History is littered with unconquerable capitals, unsinkable ships and Thousand Year Reichs. The zionist enterprise is headed the same direction, led by a bunch of fanatics and nut jobs.
    , @Chu
    Dwimmerlaik: (they have only been that since the 1960s)


    - that should be "they have only been thERE since the 1960's".
    As an Israeli hasbarat, you should should double check your spelling.

    But to say they've only been there since the 1960's is more laughable
    that Israel's right to land after 2000 years. Yahweh saved this
    area of land for your return after 2000 years? Sounds messianic
    and full bore delusional.
    , @Andrew
    No one does fear mongering better than Bibi.

    Take a look.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4517536,00.html

    Even his own think he's using scare tactics when it comes to places like Iran.
    , @John Rohde
    Giraldi does not say the Founding Fathers of the USA were secularists: he says they were not particularly religious and that they owed more to the French Enlightenment than to the Bible or the Torah. The French Enlightenment was generally Deistic rather than Atheistic and the Masonic beliefs of many of the Founding Fathers were of that stamp. What Giraldi wrote is historically correct. Second, Jerusalem is not the internationally recognised capital of Israel: in international law, it is an occupied city. There is no right of conquest in modern international law. Israel claims the city as it's capital but those are not recognised by other states. With two such glaring errors, I still have taken your comments seriously as sincerely held, and disagreed with them
    , @John
    Wow...where to begin.
    First, Mister Giraldi is recognizing US policy about Jerusalem, which you as an American (presumption) of undivided loyalty, should accede to.

    Second, whether the Founding Fathers were secular or not is beside the point. They recognized the dangers of a Theocracy, as incompatible with democracy, and steered their new country away from it.

    Third, if the Palestinians aren't indigenous before the 1960's (what??) then who were those Arabs in Jerusalem and throughout the western sector of the Mandate for Palestine that were murdering and maiming Jews throughout the Jerusalem riots of the 1920's and who provoked the Arab Revolt of 1936 lasting through 1939. You know, THAT revolt urged on by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, and partially suppressed by Orde Wingate's Special Night Squads, which formed the model and leadership of the IDF.
    , @Pete
    Palestinians only there since 1960? Duh? Who was there before 1960, 1940, 1900? What do you know; the place was unpopulated. Wish we had known, we could have advised the American Indians to move right in.
    , @Bianca
    And who has created ISIL? Do not make me laugh. Or yawn, more likely. Without the money bags in US, and their helpless stooges, the antiquated kingdoms in the Middle East, neither Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Al-Nusra, "Free" Syrian Army, Islamic Front, and ISIS/ISIL -- would have been possible. So, please continue acting this naive, all with the Murdochized language of concern for the truth -- it is not resonating with average humans who can read and get themselves educated in spite of the media controls. Are you also going to deny that in Vienna, just before World War I, banking, trade, and 90% of media was in Jewish ownership. And they were insanely prowar. They published the most incindeary articles against Serbs, as if the impoverished country that barely came out of Turkish empire was any threat to the Austro-Hungarian empire. British journalists at the time called these "the revolver journalists', that never left hotel rooms in various countries, and made up stories that incited war histeria. What is new today? The problem with all the money/credit based economies that they destroy real economy, and the only way to distract the population is to make them believe that war is profitable, good, righteous, winnable. That they are special, superior. So Austrians were led to believe that they are going easily to subdue Serbs and other Slavic inferiors. And who encouraged Napoleon to go after Russia? And who financed Hitler, making his priority also to go afer the inferior Slavic populations? Ideas of superiority, exceptional beings, indispensable -- all lead to arrogance of power, Hubris that in its foundations already created its own Nemesis. But those that are without ROOTS are naturally ROOTLESS, not caring for consequences, as they will just migrate to some greener pastures.
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  • War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:
    @Art
    Any Christian who has no empathy for the Palestinians is not a New Testament Christian. A practicing philosophical Christian is not a tribalist. All human life is sacred to Christianity – clearly that is not the case in the Old Testament. Clearly Jewish ideology has not been upgraded to modern mores.

    When Christians turn to the Old Testament and its tribalist God – they do wrong – they abandon Jesus’ idealism.

    New Testament Liberal Christianity means this:hard core tribal racial indentity politics for Hispanics and Asians in the US… but permission will not be given to the Historic Native Born White American Majority=The Race!!! to do the same……

    John Hagee=fat treasonous Old Testament blattaria……

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  • Oh yes, the so called ‘holocaust’ storyline. Used for everything in spite of it’s utter debunking by the rationally minded who actually apply verifiable science in their research.

    The ‘holocaust’ propaganda is simply one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. Simply stated, it is utterly impossible as alleged, but it does allow racist Israel to get away with slaughtering Palestinians and stealing billions from the US taxpayers every year, and then demand that US soldiers die for their profitable self interests.

    It does allow the Zionists to build Potemkin Villages, aka: theme parks … at taxpayer expense, of course. And just who is it that staffs these hollow monuments? Talk about lack of diversity.

    The laughable ‘holocau$t’ propaganda is easily debunked, see here:
    http://www.codoh.com

    Let’s talk about it. No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com/

    If it is ‘historical fact’ then why arrest and persecute those who dare to scrutinize it? Yes, many countries have laws against scrutinizing the ‘holocaust’.
    What sort of ‘truth’ is it that crushes the freedom to speak? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    antisemitic: any thought or person that a Jew doesn’t like

    Times are a changin’. Get over it.

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  • I’m going to enjoy the howls of “anti semitism” after some read this sentence: we need someone like Vespasian to come in and kick Jewish ass.

    I can almost hear the howls. It’s delightful.

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    I thought Vespasian kicked Palestinian ass, since they're indigenous to the holy land. Or are you suggesting the Jews were there first?

    Not that that matters, of course. The Normans aren't leaving Britain just because the Angles, Saxons, and Juttes were there first.
    , @Augustbrhm
    And is son Titus
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  • Any Christian who has no empathy for the Palestinians is not a New Testament Christian. A practicing philosophical Christian is not a tribalist. All human life is sacred to Christianity – clearly that is not the case in the Old Testament. Clearly Jewish ideology has not been upgraded to modern mores.

    When Christians turn to the Old Testament and its tribalist God – they do wrong – they abandon Jesus’ idealism.

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    New Testament Liberal Christianity means this:hard core tribal racial indentity politics for Hispanics and Asians in the US... but permission will not be given to the Historic Native Born White American Majority=The Race!!! to do the same......

    John Hagee=fat treasonous Old Testament blattaria......
    , @Eileen Kuch
    Exactly, Art. Christians who turn to the Old Testament, the Talmud and their tribalist God; they do serious wrong; they reject Jesus Christ's teachings; they are no longer Christians, but apostates. What Christians sorely need to do is return to the Gospels of the New Testament and turn their backs on hatred.
    Jesus roundly condemned the Scribes and Pharisees for their hypocrisy and arrogance. He would certainly condemn the current leadership in Israel today if He came down and visited them.
    "Woe to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs filled with dead men's bones." ~ Matthew 23:27
    "You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?" ~ Matthew 23:33
    Jesus foresaw the sacking of Jerusalem and destruction of the 2nd Temple, as well as the expulsion of the Hebrews from Palestine. The city was sacked in 70 AD by the Romans, and the Temple destroyed and its treasures looted. At around 130 AD, after a final revolt was put down by Hadrian and his legions, the Hebrews were expelled and driven to the far reaches of the Roman Empire. Those who were expelled never returned.
    Jesus preached peace, love and brotherhood, which the Hebrews ultimately rejected. They brought on their own downfall decades later. Modern Israelis (whose ancestors originated in the Caucasus) are doing the same; they're alienating the rest of humanity with their extreme hubris, arrogance, and brutality toward the indigenous inhabitants of the Holy Land - the Palestinians.
    , @Giuseppe
    Nope. Wrong on all points.

    Christians should have empathy for Palestinians not only because they are fellow human beings but because the Christians among them trace their descent from the Early Church. Would you recognize the face of the unbroken lineage of the Holy Apostolic Church if you ever encountered it?

    Life is sacred even in the Old Testament. "Thou shalt not kill."

    Jewish ideology, at least so far as the Jewish state is concerned, has, sadly, actually kept up with modern times as there are many puzzling parallels, to say the least, with the Nazi treatment of Jews and the Israeli treatment of Palestinians. Hasbara is like Nazi propaganda. Gaza is the world's largest concentration camp. The Jewish state is overarching in its power. Even some Jews recognize all of this and more.

    Christians do no wrong to turn to the Old Testament, it is the foundation of the New Testament and foretold of the coming of Christ; all Christians embrace both Old and New Testaments.

    You miss the point of Christ's coming entirely. If you want a teacher of idealism, look elsewhere. Christ came to reconcile sinners (I am one) to God through the sacrifice of His blood, something that can be understood through illumination by the scriptures, Old and New Testaments, which you are wrong to discount. If you are just looking for Christ as a teacher, you are dead in your sins. Hopefully that is not the case.
    , @Skip
    So true! It seems that modern day evangelicals in the USA use the Old Testament far more than they do the New Testament. Of course, this is Christian Zionism, not Christianity.
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  • Money rules right now, so there will be no real changes to this game until the economy crashes. Germany was the country in Europe in the 19th century where the Jews had the most opportunity and fewest restrictions; they moved there in large numbers and got rich. When the stock market crashed in 1929 more than 1200 of fewer than 1500 seats on the Berlin exchange were in Jewish hands. The Holocaust did not happen in a vacuum. What is going to happen in America when the dollar crashes? Most of the American Jews I knew when I traveled in Asia in the 1970s are now living somewhere else, Asia and Australia mostly.

    This was the obsession with many young religious Jews in Israel working on digs in the desert forty years ago, what they talked about late at night: “We are going to do it again you know,” pause to bob back and forth. “Our secular cousins control America, the financial system, Congress, the media, and they are going to drive that illiterate gentile herd into a long series of wars against all of the Muslim nations, to make money and in order to take the West Bank while the hate is turned on. It will be our downfall, because this latest usury bubble of ours is going to burst. They always do eventually, and then Little Annie Frank is going to be lift holding the bag again.”

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    Marvelously cogent observation. Post WW2, post-holocaust, that observation would have been nearly impossible. It would have been so monstrously politically incorrect. As an American and a Jew I never once heard anyone ask the simple question"Why?" regarding the reasons behind the holocaust. (Just as post-911, the obvious question -- Why? -- was not asked. George Bush then pre-empted the question by offering his ridiculous "They hate us for our freedoms.") Similarly, the "reason" offered for the holocaust was "anti-Semitism", a fluffy, substance-free non-explanation explanation.

    The reason for all the anti-Jewish reaction down the millennium from Egypt to Hitler to the next one, the one being built in the Zionist criminal project, is the same, and you hit it on the head: the Jews go somewhere, do well -- for themselves and others -- till they finally come to dominate, get abusive toward the locals, and get chased out......... or worse. Tragically, as you have observed, it's always the Anne Franks, the little people, who pay the price for the abuses of the wealthy elite.

    Not until I was fifty did I find a reality-based treatment of the "Why?" I found it in Mark Twain's "Concerning the Jews", which should be required reading for everyone, most particularly for my fellow Jews. That is if anyone is interested in changing the five-thousand year Jewish habit of attempted suicide-by-Goy.
    , @TenthWorlder
    I have long felt that, the whole story of the holocaust was never told. I came to this conclusion after observing the influence Israel wields over much of the world. The "chosen people" claimed monopoly over "intellect", "brains", "smarts" and everything else. These claims are used to justify the "violence" they aid, abet and condone, over Muslims and from which they become fabulously enriched. The death, destruction, mayhem, hopelessness, etc., which they create results in a "fight or flight" reaction. The whirlwind is in the making.
    I just cannot envisage another holocaust of Jews, but the holocaust of Muslims has started and Muslims do not scream "anti-Semitism," they simply die in droves and the world is "Cyclops."
    , @Isaac Rubinson
    Wow. "The Jews" "got rich." They "moved there in large numbers." The Jews own most of the German stock market and "The Holocaust did not happen in a vacuum." meaning what exactly? "The jews" those greedy, power-hungry, selfish Jews, deserved it? And how do you know wwhat "young religiou Jews in Israel" talked about late at night? In the dark? Oh, those evil conspiring Jews plotting against the gentiles in the dark.

    This comment is dripping with pure, unadulterated anti-Semitism, lifted straight out of Mein Kampf. Never mind the facts, that Jews did not move to
    Germany in large numbers, most were not rich (some were, most not), and that most Jews of the early 20th century lived in Eastern Europe, were mostly working class or poor. But, ya know, Hitler took care of that: murdered millions of them. I guess that solved the problem of jewish unemployment.

    Hey, why am I wasting my time with you? Go fuck off you Nazi asshole.
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  • Should Israel listen to what our pols say or learn from our example? We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?

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    We beat the Indians, gave them a few reservations in remote areas, and let them run casinos and sell cigarettes tax free from them. If the Israelis do the same with Palestinians, who are we to condemn them?
     
    Who are we to condemn them? Offhand, I would go with "aware of history, trained in modern philosophy and political science, educated, and ethical".

    And you would ...?
    , @Max Payne
    Except Palestinians aren't allowed to run a tax-free anything.....so yeah. I mean I'm sure any Palestinian would trade all the land under his feet for such amazing exceptions in a wealthy nation (such as the US). Then in 20-30 years after amassing billions he too can take the same road as Israel and reclaim his land under some religious dogma or another (with massive wealth pressuring the West not to intervene).
    , @traveler
    You forgot to mention the 54 millions bisons, all genocide as well.
    , @Anonymous
    Great argument by Dave.


    The old "because horrible things were done to other people in other places and at other times, we should not condemn the horrific behavior of the Zionists" hasbara.

    And apparently gladly hand over billions upon billions of our tax dollars to them each year to allow them do these horrific things.
    , @hillchief
    Humm,

    We do not have to condemn them per se. But we sure as hell should not be spending our tax money on them, and shielding them at the UN. As we get the blowback from their ethnic cleansing and bad policy. Remember Israel is a terrorist manufacturer. They radicalized the whole region. The US does not have to tell them how to act, but they should fund their own stupidity.
    , @KKK Israel
    Yeah sure that will happen. Tomorrow.
    , @Anonymous
    So, in your infinite wisdom, the US should allow any nation to run amok of international law and justice because they did it way before? Remember that what Israel is doing can never happen in a million years without the US support. Yours is typical zionist deflection.
    , @Mark Green
    "Who are we to condemn them"?

    Who are we to subsidize them?

    Washington's 'special relationship' with Tel Aviv is costing the US hundreds of billions--if not trillions. Besides, most Americans have no desire to ethnically-cleanse Palestine. Do you? Let the Israelis conduct their own racist purges. Americans want no part of that.

    For the past 45 years, he US has been steered into fraudulent, a one-sided 'alliance'. We've become Israel's hit man. And we even get to pick up the tab. It's past time we cut the cord.

    Maybe you, Dave, should enlist in either the US army or IDF. Does Israel mean that much to you? Put your money where your mouth is. But this American must ask: where's the gain for our nation, our people? America is a secular, multi-racial democracy. The Jewish State, on the other hand, is entirely interested in advancing Jewish interests only. Their national interests exclude 99% of the human race.

    Plus, there's the matter of false advertising. Countless naive Americans actually believe that the endless killing spree that US policies have spearheaded throughout the Middle East since the first Gulf war is all about 'advancing democracy' or stopping aggression or stealing oil. Sorry, Dave. Those facile explanations are Zionist fairy tales. Israel is the centerpiece of all US policies.

    But the fundamental question is this: why should America subsidize the atrocities in Gaza and prosecute the wars on Iraq, Libya, Syria and (soon) Iran? Where's the gain? We've spent trillions over there and killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Don't these human and economic consequences concern you?

    If Israel did its own 'settling' of Palestine, things would be very very different. America would have no dead soldiers and a lot more money in our treasury. Even Israel would be probably be more cautious. Who knows. Peace could break out in the region if Israel wasn't so artificially powerful due to unconditional US aid.

    Plus, the case can be made that the US is backing the wrong horse in this far-off competition. After all, Zionism is a racist doctrine.

    There is no reason that Jews in Israel can't integrate their society and remain secure. Kosher apartheid is still apartheid. It's time we clearly separated US interests from Israeli ones.
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  • It seems that the prolific and effusive America-apologist Dinesh D’Souza has succeeded big-time with a movie about America, which was taken from a book that proclaims the same theme. As a “conservative,” I’m supposed to swoon over this movie and the book that preceded it, predictably put out by the GOP publishing house Regnery. Both...
  • @Shuddh Bharatiyaan
    My cultural background and experience gives me special insight into the type of Indian that Dinesh is. There are thousands (millions?) like him. I'd call him an ABCD (American Born Confused Desi) except he wasn't born in the US.

    A lot of his rhetoric stems from his younger years trying to fit in as a minority, particularly trying to gain interest from the ladies as a not so sexually attractive Indian male.

    As an Indian myself I can say all this without being accused of racism.

    Excellent summation There are growing numbers like Dinesh floating in sea of American nothingness attempting to surface off and on to give hope of redeeming some honour in losing battle for capitalism.

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  • “As someone who is older and better educated than D’Souza …”

    I write to a narrow audience too, and masturbate in the shower. Editor!

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  • @Anonymous
    As to racism, if it has always and everywhere been present, might we consider that RACISM is necessary for the species? Might we suggest that evolution works operationally chiefly at the level of the group genome packet, a distinct contained ethnic congregation - and frequently even through a broader category - a race, and not primarily through the individual.

    And so might we say that attitudes and actions of racism serve to preserve the group genome from excessive intermingling with outsiders, and therefore preserving the packet's genome to compete in evolution's great engine? For the health of the species, might racism be both necessary and hence good AND MORAL? Affirming one's own IS THE HEALTH OF THE SPECIES!

    “As to racism, if it has always and everywhere been present, might we consider that RACISM is necessary for the species?”

    We are still evolving. What may have worked once in our more primitive state may not work now. Besides “racism” is a loaded word with extremely negative connotations and a cruel, inhumane track record. Something like “in group preference” might be preferable. There’s a trend for modern people to seek out their “tribe”, even or especially on the internet. An entire web portal named “Tribe” was designed to connect people with similar interests. It appears that modern, post-industrial populations form tribes based on similar interests and values, not race or ethnicity.

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    As to racism, if it has always and everywhere been present, might we consider that RACISM is necessary for the species? Might we suggest that evolution works operationally chiefly at the level of the group genome packet, a distinct contained ethnic congregation – and frequently even through a broader category – a race, and not primarily through the individual.

    And so might we say that attitudes and actions of racism serve to preserve the group genome from excessive intermingling with outsiders, and therefore preserving the packet’s genome to compete in evolution’s great engine? For the health of the species, might racism be both necessary and hence good AND MORAL? Affirming one’s own IS THE HEALTH OF THE SPECIES!

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    • Replies: @Shuddh Bharatiyaan
    "As to racism, if it has always and everywhere been present, might we consider that RACISM is necessary for the species?"

    We are still evolving. What may have worked once in our more primitive state may not work now. Besides "racism" is a loaded word with extremely negative connotations and a cruel, inhumane track record. Something like "in group preference" might be preferable. There's a trend for modern people to seek out their "tribe", even or especially on the internet. An entire web portal named "Tribe" was designed to connect people with similar interests. It appears that modern, post-industrial populations form tribes based on similar interests and values, not race or ethnicity.
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  • @Thomas O. Meehan
    As to "Model Minorities" are the real Asians, Chinese Japanese, Koreans. You guys are the subcontinental Asians. Perhaps the term "Sub-Asains" should be applied.

    Actually in the UK we are called “Asians” whereas the above mentioned are called “Chinese”, “Japanese”, etc. In the US its the opposite. Those ones are called “Asians” and we are called “Indian” “Sri Lankan” etc, or sometimes as South Asians. We often refer to ourselves as “Desis” though. Desi coming from the Sanskrit देश (Desh) which means local, indigenous, home land, among other things.

    I like “sub-asians” though. Has a nice ring to it and fits neatly in with Gayatri Spivak’s sub-altern theories.

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  • As to “Model Minorities” are the real Asians, Chinese Japanese, Koreans. You guys are the subcontinental Asians. Perhaps the term “Sub-Asains” should be applied.

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    • Replies: @Shuddh Bharatiyaan
    Actually in the UK we are called "Asians" whereas the above mentioned are called "Chinese", "Japanese", etc. In the US its the opposite. Those ones are called "Asians" and we are called "Indian" "Sri Lankan" etc, or sometimes as South Asians. We often refer to ourselves as "Desis" though. Desi coming from the Sanskrit देश (Desh) which means local, indigenous, home land, among other things.

    I like "sub-asians" though. Has a nice ring to it and fits neatly in with Gayatri Spivak's sub-altern theories.
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  • It just so happens that I do. Check out my piece on VDARE.COM. It’s the tip of the iceberg.

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  • @Thomas O. Meehan
    Yojimbo, "Paul Kersey" and Jared Taylor write on the behalf of Caucasian Americans. As you very well know this is not an organized interest group Why hell, there're practically illegal.

    As to D’Souza breaking the law, well, D'Souza broke the law. Is this a case of selective enforcement? Count on it. Do Indian Americans tend to have a cavalier attitude toward the law. In my experience; yup.

    “. Do Indian Americans tend to have a cavalier attitude toward the law. In my experience; yup.”

    Examples?

    I thought Indian Americans were the “model minority”. Or perhaps their cavalier attitude toward this law is *why* they were given that label?

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  • @Reg Cæsar

    I’d call him an ABCD (American Born Confused Desi) except he wasn’t born in the US.
     
    Considering his Portuguese surname and Catholic upbringing, he was pretty alien at home in Bombay.

    As an Indian myself I can say all this without being accused of racism.
     
    Ha! Don't bet on it. It's about whom you support, not who you are.

    “Considering his Portuguese surname and Catholic upbringing, he was pretty alien at home in Bombay.”

    - Not at all. There are plenty of Goan and Konkani people in Mumbai. The surname D’souza has long been de rigueur in Bollywood cinema.

    “As an Indian myself I can say all this without being accused of racism.”

    “Ha! Don’t bet on it. It’s about whom you support, not who you are.”

    I don’t “support” any politician.

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  • “Indo-German invaders ”

    Indo-German? What is that?

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  • @Thomas O. Meehan
    Yojimbo, you are addressing me as though I am denying what we all know. If you have a point, just make it rather than addressing them to me. Race Realist POV doesn't get a lot of attention or respect in the MSM. Stop the presses!

    I made no prediction about D'Souza's sentencing. I presume that a custodial sentence and /or a fine is possible. Frankly I don't give a damn which, or neither, for that matter.

    “you are addressing me as though I am denying what we all know.”

    It was your tone that gave that strong impression.

    “If you have a point, just make it rather than addressing them to me.”

    Uh, duh, I was make the points.

    The main point to make is why are the sheeple falling for this neocon, con-inc. buffoon to begin with? And why is this same pattern occurring with more and more so-called conservatives?

    I don’t like to quote a far leftist such as Salon’s Joe Conason, but what the hey. In his book the GOP Noise Machine he devotes an entire chapter of so-called conservatives’ public rhetoric vs their private lives and its not to pretty. D’Souza is merely the latest to include among the others who haven’t lived up to the hype.

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  • @Trumped
    Great article. I always get a good laugh reading the claims of neo-cons and leftists about how Lincoln was some sort of equal rights guru. It ignores how he wanted to ship all blacks, regardless of slave status, out of America to Haiti, Liberia, or "anywhere but here." It ignores how he proposed a constitutional amendment forever allowing slavery, or his decades of statements about how inferior the negro race was to the white man.

    I mean even using today's standards on "racism" the old Presidents who even had slaves were not this bad! Wanting to round up and ship out to random nations people who were born and raised here just because they were of African blood?

    The people who believe that also seem to believe that the Emancipation Proclamation "freed the slaves" somehow. And none of them ever read the actual document, which excludes down to the county level basically anyone under northern control.

    its not a laugh it allows them to pwn the American historical narrative, clever really.
    Anyway he didn’t ship the africans home he set them up as judges throughout the south with the force of federal troops, he didn’t push an amendment to permanently enshrine slavery [a stupid idea btw] but instead dismantled the entire constitution. forever changing the balance of power in the US.
    So ultimately he was and is a left wing hero even if he believed his lying eyes about the abilities of africans

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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Thomas Meehan,

    But they are in fact, a sizable group of the populace and electorate at large.

    Also, do Caucasian Americas (for the most part) en masse PUBLICLY support such research and or commentary from PK or Jared Taylor as it relates to race relations? I think not.

    The point being, is that "respectable" and "reputable" Conservative Incs. such as Heritage Foundation, National Review, as well as popular infotainers as Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity etc. would never EVER publicly side with American Renaissance, Vdare, Kersey, etc.

    In point of fact, they've already headed for the hills by endorsing their own (e.g. Ben Carson, Allen West, Herman Cain, etc.) When they do these things, they are conceding the lefts major premise vs them ("All Cons are racists"). The quickest way, they believe, to negate this charge is to go all out, so to speak, by demonstrating that they too have their own.

    1. MLK day? Hey, he was great and we believe in a "colorblind" society!
    2. GOP black congressmen? Check, we have em too!
    3. Head of GOP? We'll nominate M. Steele, that'll show the libs we're not racist!
    4. Rand Paul's Enterprise Zones in Detroit? That'll show blacks they can vote GOP!

    Even the late Richard Mellon Scaife. Can you name a specific instance when he publicly put his money into an organization such as American Renaissance or Vdare? Didn't think so.

    Re: D'Souza breaking the law, yes he'll most likely have to pay the hefty fine, but doubtful any prison will be served. After all, here in this case its a matter of a well connected to the DC ruling class. The main reason he was even appointed to the insignificant religious college was to bring in donations from Conservative Inc.

    But his excuse, that he's the victim of big bad eeevvilll wiberals simply doesn't wash in 2014 anymore than it did when Limbaugh was committing a felonious act by Dr. Shopping for prescription pills.

    Yojimbo, you are addressing me as though I am denying what we all know. If you have a point, just make it rather than addressing them to me. Race Realist POV doesn’t get a lot of attention or respect in the MSM. Stop the presses!

    I made no prediction about D’Souza’s sentencing. I presume that a custodial sentence and /or a fine is possible. Frankly I don’t give a damn which, or neither, for that matter.

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    @Thomas O. Meehan

    "you are addressing me as though I am denying what we all know."


    It was your tone that gave that strong impression.



    "If you have a point, just make it rather than addressing them to me."

    Uh, duh, I was make the points.

    The main point to make is why are the sheeple falling for this neocon, con-inc. buffoon to begin with? And why is this same pattern occurring with more and more so-called conservatives?

    I don't like to quote a far leftist such as Salon's Joe Conason, but what the hey. In his book the GOP Noise Machine he devotes an entire chapter of so-called conservatives' public rhetoric vs their private lives and its not to pretty. D'Souza is merely the latest to include among the others who haven't lived up to the hype.
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  • @Thomas O. Meehan
    Yojimbo, "Paul Kersey" and Jared Taylor write on the behalf of Caucasian Americans. As you very well know this is not an organized interest group Why hell, there're practically illegal.

    As to D’Souza breaking the law, well, D'Souza broke the law. Is this a case of selective enforcement? Count on it. Do Indian Americans tend to have a cavalier attitude toward the law. In my experience; yup.

    Thomas Meehan,

    But they are in fact, a sizable group of the populace and electorate at large.

    Also, do Caucasian Americas (for the most part) en masse PUBLICLY support such research and or commentary from PK or Jared Taylor as it relates to race relations? I think not.

    The point being, is that “respectable” and “reputable” Conservative Incs. such as Heritage Foundation, National Review, as well as popular infotainers as Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity etc. would never EVER publicly side with American Renaissance, Vdare, Kersey, etc.

    In point of fact, they’ve already headed for the hills by endorsing their own (e.g. Ben Carson, Allen West, Herman Cain, etc.) When they do these things, they are conceding the lefts major premise vs them (“All Cons are racists”). The quickest way, they believe, to negate this charge is to go all out, so to speak, by demonstrating that they too have their own.

    1. MLK day? Hey, he was great and we believe in a “colorblind” society!
    2. GOP black congressmen? Check, we have em too!
    3. Head of GOP? We’ll nominate M. Steele, that’ll show the libs we’re not racist!
    4. Rand Paul’s Enterprise Zones in Detroit? That’ll show blacks they can vote GOP!

    Even the late Richard Mellon Scaife. Can you name a specific instance when he publicly put his money into an organization such as American Renaissance or Vdare? Didn’t think so.

    Re: D’Souza breaking the law, yes he’ll most likely have to pay the hefty fine, but doubtful any prison will be served. After all, here in this case its a matter of a well connected to the DC ruling class. The main reason he was even appointed to the insignificant religious college was to bring in donations from Conservative Inc.

    But his excuse, that he’s the victim of big bad eeevvilll wiberals simply doesn’t wash in 2014 anymore than it did when Limbaugh was committing a felonious act by Dr. Shopping for prescription pills.

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    Yojimbo, you are addressing me as though I am denying what we all know. If you have a point, just make it rather than addressing them to me. Race Realist POV doesn't get a lot of attention or respect in the MSM. Stop the presses!

    I made no prediction about D'Souza's sentencing. I presume that a custodial sentence and /or a fine is possible. Frankly I don't give a damn which, or neither, for that matter.
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  • Yojimbo, “Paul Kersey” and Jared Taylor write on the behalf of Caucasian Americans. As you very well know this is not an organized interest group Why hell, there’re practically illegal.

    As to D’Souza breaking the law, well, D’Souza broke the law. Is this a case of selective enforcement? Count on it. Do Indian Americans tend to have a cavalier attitude toward the law. In my experience; yup.

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    Thomas Meehan,

    But they are in fact, a sizable group of the populace and electorate at large.

    Also, do Caucasian Americas (for the most part) en masse PUBLICLY support such research and or commentary from PK or Jared Taylor as it relates to race relations? I think not.

    The point being, is that "respectable" and "reputable" Conservative Incs. such as Heritage Foundation, National Review, as well as popular infotainers as Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity etc. would never EVER publicly side with American Renaissance, Vdare, Kersey, etc.

    In point of fact, they've already headed for the hills by endorsing their own (e.g. Ben Carson, Allen West, Herman Cain, etc.) When they do these things, they are conceding the lefts major premise vs them ("All Cons are racists"). The quickest way, they believe, to negate this charge is to go all out, so to speak, by demonstrating that they too have their own.

    1. MLK day? Hey, he was great and we believe in a "colorblind" society!
    2. GOP black congressmen? Check, we have em too!
    3. Head of GOP? We'll nominate M. Steele, that'll show the libs we're not racist!
    4. Rand Paul's Enterprise Zones in Detroit? That'll show blacks they can vote GOP!

    Even the late Richard Mellon Scaife. Can you name a specific instance when he publicly put his money into an organization such as American Renaissance or Vdare? Didn't think so.

    Re: D'Souza breaking the law, yes he'll most likely have to pay the hefty fine, but doubtful any prison will be served. After all, here in this case its a matter of a well connected to the DC ruling class. The main reason he was even appointed to the insignificant religious college was to bring in donations from Conservative Inc.

    But his excuse, that he's the victim of big bad eeevvilll wiberals simply doesn't wash in 2014 anymore than it did when Limbaugh was committing a felonious act by Dr. Shopping for prescription pills.

    , @Shuddh Bharatiyaan
    ". Do Indian Americans tend to have a cavalier attitude toward the law. In my experience; yup."

    Examples?

    I thought Indian Americans were the "model minority". Or perhaps their cavalier attitude toward this law is *why* they were given that label?
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  • I thought D’Souza America was well-done and very entertaining. It’s a feel-good movie. But I’m not an academic or an historian so I don’t have a sophisticated critique of its accuracy. But a I wonder, if seeing America through this lense inspires someone with this virtuous ideal, can it be bad even if it not tempered with some balance of historical accuracy?

    Btw, the other people in the Boston suburb theater were clearly blue-collar, 50+ white Americans.

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  • “It’s all become a tiresome racket. These people make a living in the zone that exists between what we all know and what we are permitted to say. They produce only material acceptable to the GOP donors and interest groups.”

    Perhaps, but do expound on WHICH GOP donors that Paul Kersey, Jared Taylor, etc are writing for? Which interest groups find their writings (and others of the dissident right) totally acceptable?

    Crickets chirping.

    Also, why doesn’t it appear to bother anyone on the Right that D’Souza is facing possible jail time for a felony? Granted, there is a likelihood that he will not do serious time. Why is this acceptable behavior? And the unpleasantness with his affair. Who does he think he is, Newt Gingrich? Or Rush Limbaugh? “He may be a bad so and so but he’s OUR bad so and so.”–John Ford.

    Starting to notice a pattern among the mainstream right: oftentimes their private values don’t appear to match their public stances.

    As Steve Sailer might say, you tend to get into trouble for noticing things.

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  • D’Souza has always had more than a whiff of “What makes Sammy run?” about him. Same goes for the Reform Conservatives now hoping to sell their books and get influence in the next Republican administration. It’s all become a tiresome racket. These people make a living in the zone that exists between what we all know and what we are permitted to say. They produce only material acceptable to the GOP donors and interest groups.

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  • @Bill
    And there is no evidence to suggest that it was based on skin color.

    Gottfried really didn't say that the caste system was based on skin color. He said that the caste system was imposed by whites on browns. The Aryan blood eventually got to be pretty well-mixed in India, so the color gradient mostly went away. Originally, though, it must have been dramatic.

    Are you one of these lunatic Hindutvas who don't believe in the Indo-European Expansion and the Aryan Invasion? Why are so many English-literate Indians Hinduvta lunatics---feel free to answer whether or not you are one of them.

    I believe in the Indo-European expansion, though am not completely sold on the conventional version (that it started out in Ukraine or thereabouts; the origins are murky). Anyone who has read about the relations between the languages has to believe in such an expansion.

    I’m not so sure there was an “Aryan Invasion” though. Maybe it was an invasion, maybe it was gradual demographic dominance. We don’t have all the proof. The proof for an outright invasion followed by the establishment of a caste society to reduce admixture between the immigrant and native populations is, to put it kindly, light. And we keep coming up with new archaeological and genetic facts. Read Razib’s posts occasionally for info. That there were just two significantly different races that came into violent contact with each other long ago in the subcontinent is a theory put forward (in the 19th century) to explain how a rigid caste system came about (this theory is not substantiated by any sort of material evidence, but just happens to meet the plausibility bar.) There is more evidence of 3 (or perhaps more) racial groups colliding in the subcontinent. The linguistics evidence is also not a slam dunk for the invasion theory.

    I am not a subscriber of Hindutva, and generally have mild contempt for those folks. But they are nationalists. Why they suspend reason and refuse to believe in any aspect of the Indo-European expansion (and not just the Aryan Invasion theory) is that the latter theory was used throughout the colonial period by the British to justify their rule of India. Sort of like a Manifest Destiny, applied to the gradual British conquest of India (often with trickery, sometimes with brutality).

    PS: I’ll be glad to continue this exchange if you would like to, but not if you use terms of abuse like “lunatic”. Otherwise, hope you have a great day!

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  • Sam Haysom [AKA "Matt Buckalew"] says:

    Don’t get mad at me it was Gottfried that brought it up. Do you not think the first line of this paper is embarrassingly catty and suggestive of a mind very low on confidence. Can you ever see Ronald Reagan beginning an argument with first off I’m better educated than my opponent.

    The last time Gottfried was associated with an elite university was like 45 years ago when he left Yale. As an academic he has been an utter failure notable only because he is one of the few paleocon intellectuals to even have tenure at a college. Notice neo-con professors have not had quite the trouble penetrating into the elite universites and acquiring educational credentials that far exceed Gottfried’s. It seems by his logic he should keep that mouth shut and learn a few things from them.

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  • @Sam Haysom
    The first sentence kind of says it all doesn't. I'm so smart but others achieved so much more than me.

    I guess that's why Pat B is always the least bitter and fulminating of the Paleocons to read. He's worse educated than Paul too, but the rat race didn't leave him behind at a tiny regional college like Elizabethtown College. Harvey Mansfield is so much smarter and so much better edicated than Paul I guess by Paul's logic the neo-cons need to teach Grandpa Gottfried a thing or two.

    …the rat race didn’t leave him behind at a tiny regional college like Elizabethtown…

    A “tiny regional college” also filed under “E” gave us the only competent president of the last half-century. What do Harvard and Yale have to show for themselves since?

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  • @Numinous
    Indeed in the country from whence D’Souza comes, racial domination shaped an elaborate caste system imposed by the Indo-German invaders on the darker-skinned older settler population– about four thousand years ago.

    Please do not perpetuate this myth. This is one hypothesis of what may have happened long ago in the Indian subcontinent. Other theories have been proposed which are as likely (or unlikely), given all the evidence we have today at our disposal. From genetics, linguistics, and archaeology, there is evidence both to support this theory and to invalidate it. Color of the skin matter in today's India, but the causes of that cannot be directly attributed to a fancied ancient invasion of white people on black. The past millenia consists of a series of invasions by lighter-skinned outsiders (Central and West Asians, followed by the British), which have to have had some impact in shaping Indians' color prejudice. As for caste, every society in the world has had it. Indian (Hindu) society just made it more formal and codified than others. And there is no evidence to suggest that it was based on skin color. If you don't trust Indian epics and records, you can look at Greek records from around the 3rd century BC; if society had then been stratified by color, they would have been sure to mention it, which they don't.

    PS: If you are interested in Indian history beyond simplistic takeaway points (like the one I have quotes above from your post), you could do worse than to read the posts of your prolific fellow blogger, Razib Khan. He knows something about the topic, and would cringe at the description you have given above.

    And there is no evidence to suggest that it was based on skin color.

    Gottfried really didn’t say that the caste system was based on skin color. He said that the caste system was imposed by whites on browns. The Aryan blood eventually got to be pretty well-mixed in India, so the color gradient mostly went away. Originally, though, it must have been dramatic.

    Are you one of these lunatic Hindutvas who don’t believe in the Indo-European Expansion and the Aryan Invasion? Why are so many English-literate Indians Hinduvta lunatics—feel free to answer whether or not you are one of them.

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    I believe in the Indo-European expansion, though am not completely sold on the conventional version (that it started out in Ukraine or thereabouts; the origins are murky). Anyone who has read about the relations between the languages has to believe in such an expansion.

    I'm not so sure there was an "Aryan Invasion" though. Maybe it was an invasion, maybe it was gradual demographic dominance. We don't have all the proof. The proof for an outright invasion followed by the establishment of a caste society to reduce admixture between the immigrant and native populations is, to put it kindly, light. And we keep coming up with new archaeological and genetic facts. Read Razib's posts occasionally for info. That there were just two significantly different races that came into violent contact with each other long ago in the subcontinent is a theory put forward (in the 19th century) to explain how a rigid caste system came about (this theory is not substantiated by any sort of material evidence, but just happens to meet the plausibility bar.) There is more evidence of 3 (or perhaps more) racial groups colliding in the subcontinent. The linguistics evidence is also not a slam dunk for the invasion theory.

    I am not a subscriber of Hindutva, and generally have mild contempt for those folks. But they are nationalists. Why they suspend reason and refuse to believe in any aspect of the Indo-European expansion (and not just the Aryan Invasion theory) is that the latter theory was used throughout the colonial period by the British to justify their rule of India. Sort of like a Manifest Destiny, applied to the gradual British conquest of India (often with trickery, sometimes with brutality).

    PS: I'll be glad to continue this exchange if you would like to, but not if you use terms of abuse like "lunatic". Otherwise, hope you have a great day!
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  • D’Souza’s efforts to demonstrate the “end of racism” often elides into mere happy talk. But I don’t want to be unfair to the author. I know he’s trying to soothe tensions and discourage minorities from stressing racial grievances.

    Are you sure that this is what his happy talk is about? Calming down the negroes? Given who he is talking to, isn’t it more plausible to think that he is all about calming down the white man, the white man who is looking a little nervous about his dispossession?

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  • Sam Haysom [AKA "Matt Buckalew"] says:

    The first sentence kind of says it all doesn’t. I’m so smart but others achieved so much more than me.

    I guess that’s why Pat B is always the least bitter and fulminating of the Paleocons to read. He’s worse educated than Paul too, but the rat race didn’t leave him behind at a tiny regional college like Elizabethtown College. Harvey Mansfield is so much smarter and so much better edicated than Paul I guess by Paul’s logic the neo-cons need to teach Grandpa Gottfried a thing or two.

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    …the rat race didn’t leave him behind at a tiny regional college like Elizabethtown…
     
    A "tiny regional college" also filed under "E" gave us the only competent president of the last half-century. What do Harvard and Yale have to show for themselves since?
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  • @Trumped
    Great article. I always get a good laugh reading the claims of neo-cons and leftists about how Lincoln was some sort of equal rights guru. It ignores how he wanted to ship all blacks, regardless of slave status, out of America to Haiti, Liberia, or "anywhere but here." It ignores how he proposed a constitutional amendment forever allowing slavery, or his decades of statements about how inferior the negro race was to the white man.

    I mean even using today's standards on "racism" the old Presidents who even had slaves were not this bad! Wanting to round up and ship out to random nations people who were born and raised here just because they were of African blood?

    The people who believe that also seem to believe that the Emancipation Proclamation "freed the slaves" somehow. And none of them ever read the actual document, which excludes down to the county level basically anyone under northern control.

    Wanting to round up and ship out to random nations people who were born and raised here just because they were of African blood?

    Yes. It was called the American Colonization Society, and was quite popular– more so than abolition– among whites everywhere but, for some reason, Dixie. That section was under the thrall of the kumbayah belief that various races should live together in harmony, and that God was mistaken to have given each its own continent.

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  • Contrary to D’Souza’s contentions, racism is not a modern invention that came along in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.

    Though my contempt for Dinesh D’Souza’s “scholarship” probably matches yours, I think the above quote is a misreading of his statements. Clearly racial discrimination has been with us since the dawn of civilization if you treat the words “race” and “tribe” as synonymous. Here, it seems to me that Dinesh is specifically talking about white-nonwhite racism, which acquired a pseudo-scientific basis in the 18th and 19th centuries and was used as a justification for endless colonialism by European powers. And to the American mind, the word racism is virtually synonymous with white-nonwhite discrimination, where whites are imbued with positive qualities and nonwhites with negative ones. The “end of racism” that Dinesh talks about probably refers to the fact that is is completely “uncool” or even atypical for modern Americans to discriminate purely on the basis of skin color (now culture is different; someone who behaves like a gangsta will be treated accordingly.)

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  • @Shuddh Bharatiyaan
    My cultural background and experience gives me special insight into the type of Indian that Dinesh is. There are thousands (millions?) like him. I'd call him an ABCD (American Born Confused Desi) except he wasn't born in the US.

    A lot of his rhetoric stems from his younger years trying to fit in as a minority, particularly trying to gain interest from the ladies as a not so sexually attractive Indian male.

    As an Indian myself I can say all this without being accused of racism.

    I’d call him an ABCD (American Born Confused Desi) except he wasn’t born in the US.

    Considering his Portuguese surname and Catholic upbringing, he was pretty alien at home in Bombay.

    As an Indian myself I can say all this without being accused of racism.

    Ha! Don’t bet on it. It’s about whom you support, not who you are.

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    "Considering his Portuguese surname and Catholic upbringing, he was pretty alien at home in Bombay."

    - Not at all. There are plenty of Goan and Konkani people in Mumbai. The surname D'souza has long been de rigueur in Bollywood cinema.

    "As an Indian myself I can say all this without being accused of racism."

    "Ha! Don’t bet on it. It’s about whom you support, not who you are."

    I don't "support" any politician.
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