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    This post tries to debunk some popular, but misguided, views on demographic trends in today's Russia. These consist of the perception that Russia is in a demographic "death spiral" that dooms it to national decline (Biden, Eberstadt, NIC, CIA, Stratfor, etc). Some extreme pessimists even predict that ethnic Russians - ravaged by AIDS, infertility and...
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    На мій погляд, все дещо простіше. По-перше. Росія – велика країна. Її розпад принесе багато незрозумілих речей, і переділ світу. По-друге. Територія Росії. Яким чином і як? По-третє, вимирають не лише росіяни. По-четверте? Варіанти виходу ? Клімат змінюється. Що там, у нас? Те, що Росія агресор, я не заперечую. Але ХТО її зробив такою? Хід історії? Підказати? Правда? Єропа. Це та Європа, яка мовчки сиділа і дивилася на Гітлера. І та ж Америка . Ми отримуємо результат від своїх дій. А потім запитуємо : як це сталося? А отак і сталося. Одні сиділи і дивилися на Австрію, інші на Польщу, ще інші на Чехію та Францію. А потім зявилися фашисти і прийшла війна. І вся Єрропа зробила вигляд, що не бачить .? Знайоме?Віє тридцятими? І до яких пір? Українці війну виграють.Я в цьому не сумінваюся. Але європейці , мабуть, уроки війни не вивчили. На жаль. Ерцгеогори…. вбивства…

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  • The Guardian writes: All pretty worrying, except when we stop to consider that he also said the following - in 2002: In reality, as of 2015, around 0.6% of the Russian population is officially registered as HIV positive. This is probably fairly comprehensive, since around 20-25 million people (one sixth of the population) are tested...
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    FERTILITY PEAKS AT ABOUT 22 IN WHITE WOMEN, STARTS DROPPING MORE SHARPLY AT AGE 30 OR 35


    Sir (or Madam?), you are confusing between menopause and fertility. They are 2 different things.

    Women have a limited number of eggs, unlike a man, who creates more sperm each day.

    By age 30, 90% of a white woman's eggs are gone, gone for good, and only 10% remain.

    You can see that graph here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_and_female_fertility#/media/File:Non-Growing_Follicles.png

    Fertility peaks at 22 for white women:

    Black women are, on the contrary, hyperfertile.

    Tell us something we don’t already know.

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  • @Bob Arctor
    "and most white women are infertile by 30"

    This is idiotic nonsense; a tiny, low single digit percentage of women are menopausal even at age 35, much less at age 30. In any case, black women are actually the most likely to be infertile in their 30's.

    Why do you feel entitled to lie?

    FERTILITY PEAKS AT ABOUT 22 IN WHITE WOMEN, STARTS DROPPING MORE SHARPLY AT AGE 30 OR 35

    Sir (or Madam?), you are confusing between menopause and fertility. They are 2 different things.

    Women have a limited number of eggs, unlike a man, who creates more sperm each day.

    By age 30, 90% of a white woman’s eggs are gone, gone for good, and only 10% remain.

    You can see that graph here.

    Fertility peaks at 22 for white women:

    Black women are, on the contrary, hyperfertile.

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    Tell us something we don't already know.
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  • @Tom_R
    ARTICLE HAS SOME MISCONCEPTIONS.
    1% RATE IN RUSSIA TOO HIGH FOR A DEADLY COMMUNICABLE DISEASE LIKE HIV.

    Yes, the 1% rate is too high, esp. for a communicable disease, like HIV. It can spread quickly to 20 or 50% or 100% within a few decades.

    Secondly, the word “still” in the title is rather inappropriate. It suggests that the author wants the HIV apocalypse. I know he does not, but it is just the way it is written. “Still” is used in the negative sense, such as a mother to a child “It is 3 PM and you still did not each lunch”, meaning she wants him to eat lunch and is upset that he still did not eat his lunch.

    The big problem with most whites, esp. Russians, is denial. Russians are going extinct due to smoking, drinking, divorce, women’s lib, late marriages (fertility peaks at 18-22 and most white women are infertile by 30), low birth rate, high divorce rate, and now HIV.

    And instead of confronting these issues, and educating the Russian public about these dangers, they (and their govt.) are in denial, claiming that the death spiral is not that fast and are trying to ignore these dangers.

    It reminds me of a joke of a smoker, smoking and another man told him “Don’t smoke, this is slow poison” and the smoker replied: “That’s fine. I am in no hurry.”

    It is only a matter of time truckloads of Chinese and Africans/Asians invade Europe and Russia and start attacking white women. This is already happening as shiploads of Africans are invading Europe and attacking and killing white women and men.

    And the stupid white politicians rescue these invaders and bring them in. Insane beyond belief.

    The end of the white race is near.

    “and most white women are infertile by 30″

    This is idiotic nonsense; a tiny, low single digit percentage of women are menopausal even at age 35, much less at age 30. In any case, black women are actually the most likely to be infertile in their 30′s.

    Why do you feel entitled to lie?

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    FERTILITY PEAKS AT ABOUT 22 IN WHITE WOMEN, STARTS DROPPING MORE SHARPLY AT AGE 30 OR 35


    Sir (or Madam?), you are confusing between menopause and fertility. They are 2 different things.

    Women have a limited number of eggs, unlike a man, who creates more sperm each day.

    By age 30, 90% of a white woman's eggs are gone, gone for good, and only 10% remain.

    You can see that graph here.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_and_female_fertility#/media/File:Non-Growing_Follicles.png

    Fertility peaks at 22 for white women:

    Black women are, on the contrary, hyperfertile.
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  • @Glossy
    One of the reasons why I'm an AGW agnostic is that I'm old enough to remember the initial wave of HIV hysteria. "Science" told the world that AIDS was everyman's disease. Turned out to be nothing of the sort.

    I remember when the scientific and medical community was telling us everyone was susceptible to AID’s. That it had nothing to do with the Gay lifestyle and their drug use and heteros doing anal sex. In fact they attacked and destroyed the career of any doctor or critic who brought it up.

    But their lies made a lot of those scientists fat with government research grants.

    It was then I realized scientists and doctors could be bought as easily any whore and they’d lie like anyone else. Many lacked any sort of intellectual and moral honesty.

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  • Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Yevardian
    I believe ""still" is being used in the context of repeated Western claims of a soon arriving Russian AID's epidemic. As for "white genocide", I'm sure that Europe is more than capable of a sudden program of vicious expulsion/extermination of recent arrivals; given it's history. Don't be so naive, remember what continent you're talking about.

    I’m sure that Europe is more than capable of a sudden program of vicious expulsion/extermination of recent arrivals; given it’s history. Don’t be so naive, remember what continent you’re talking about.

    Certainly possible, but, most likely, improbable. European elites and media are completely corrupt and impotent and so is the large part of population. But, I am not in Europe, so I could be mistaken. But Christopher Caldwell’s brilliant treatise Reflections On The Revolution In Europe still comes to mind. Let’s not compare Europe of 1930s and of today.

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  • I believe “”still” is being used in the context of repeated Western claims of a soon arriving Russian AID’s epidemic. As for “white genocide”, I’m sure that Europe is more than capable of a sudden program of vicious expulsion/extermination of recent arrivals; given it’s history. Don’t be so naive, remember what continent you’re talking about.

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    I’m sure that Europe is more than capable of a sudden program of vicious expulsion/extermination of recent arrivals; given it’s history. Don’t be so naive, remember what continent you’re talking about.
     
    Certainly possible, but, most likely, improbable. European elites and media are completely corrupt and impotent and so is the large part of population. But, I am not in Europe, so I could be mistaken. But Christopher Caldwell's brilliant treatise Reflections On The Revolution In Europe still comes to mind. Let's not compare Europe of 1930s and of today.
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  • ARTICLE HAS SOME MISCONCEPTIONS.
    1% RATE IN RUSSIA TOO HIGH FOR A DEADLY COMMUNICABLE DISEASE LIKE HIV.

    Yes, the 1% rate is too high, esp. for a communicable disease, like HIV. It can spread quickly to 20 or 50% or 100% within a few decades.

    Secondly, the word “still” in the title is rather inappropriate. It suggests that the author wants the HIV apocalypse. I know he does not, but it is just the way it is written. “Still” is used in the negative sense, such as a mother to a child “It is 3 PM and you still did not each lunch”, meaning she wants him to eat lunch and is upset that he still did not eat his lunch.

    The big problem with most whites, esp. Russians, is denial. Russians are going extinct due to smoking, drinking, divorce, women’s lib, late marriages (fertility peaks at 18-22 and most white women are infertile by 30), low birth rate, high divorce rate, and now HIV.

    And instead of confronting these issues, and educating the Russian public about these dangers, they (and their govt.) are in denial, claiming that the death spiral is not that fast and are trying to ignore these dangers.

    It reminds me of a joke of a smoker, smoking and another man told him “Don’t smoke, this is slow poison” and the smoker replied: “That’s fine. I am in no hurry.”

    It is only a matter of time truckloads of Chinese and Africans/Asians invade Europe and Russia and start attacking white women. This is already happening as shiploads of Africans are invading Europe and attacking and killing white women and men.

    And the stupid white politicians rescue these invaders and bring them in. Insane beyond belief.

    The end of the white race is near.

    Read More
    • Replies: @Bob Arctor
    "and most white women are infertile by 30"

    This is idiotic nonsense; a tiny, low single digit percentage of women are menopausal even at age 35, much less at age 30. In any case, black women are actually the most likely to be infertile in their 30's.

    Why do you feel entitled to lie?

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  • @Glossy
    One of the reasons why I'm an AGW agnostic is that I'm old enough to remember the initial wave of HIV hysteria. "Science" told the world that AIDS was everyman's disease. Turned out to be nothing of the sort.

    I’ll use the opportunity to post this argument about anthropogenic climate change

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-uY3tuV3yw&feature=youtu.be)

    http://activistteacher.blogspot.com/2015/05/climate-stupidity-and-human-survival.html

    It goes contrary to both the mainstream and A. Karlin’s view, and comes from someone who, by his CV, should understand the topic. The combination of all those elements makes these expositions recommendable, regardless whether for laughs or lucidity.

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  • @Anonymous
    In terms of an epidemic of a dread infectious disease, 0.6% of the population - which must equate to at least 1% of the sexually active population, is a high and 'unacceptable' level of infection.
    For example, such a prevalence rate must mean that every Russian must know of an HIV sufferer.

    For example, such a prevalence rate must mean that every Russian must know of an HIV sufferer.

    No, it doesn’t.

    The epidemic is highly clustered amongst IDUs, and to a lesser extent, sex workers. Most people don’t rotate in those spheres.

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  • Anyone remember Thabo Mbeki denying AID’s existed, after two close colleagues and Mandela’s son had already died of it? Or the kleptomaniac woman health minister who promoted an industrial solvent and later “traditional remedies” as a cure? Or the later ANC recognition and funding of actual witch-doctors, with the consequent rise in Muti – illegal trade in human organs for “medicine”? Or that a majority of South Africans believe sex with a virgin can cure AIDs? (resulting in mass numbers of child-rape?)
    Or when Mbeki tried to destroy (openly polygamous) Jacob Zuma with a (almost certainly false) rape trial, where Zuma’s recollection of his sexual exploits with a HIV carrier; asserted “but I took a shower afterwards”?
    There are plenty of reasons for southern Africa’s AIDs epidemic, most of them self-inflicted by truly awful government.

    PS. bunch of global-warming-hoax commenters again. As even the mainstream is starting to realise the American colossus is crumbling, we’re not going to here about environmental disaster for a long time. AK might as well write something on it here as no one else will. Has Putin or any other major Russian addressed this issue? Putin has said he’s genuinely committed to species protection but I don’t know if that’s just PR.

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  • @Immigrant from former USSR
    Recent arrests of 10 members of FIFA [International Football (i.e. soccer) Association] is attributed by El-Murid, http://el-murid.livejournal.com/2387370.html ,
    to the USA's intent to "reveal" their being corrupted by Putin.
    Characteristically, the arrest by Swiss authorities was done by the request of the USA, along with the request to extradite them to the USA.
    The story is paralleled by El-Murid to the arrest of Strauss-Khan, with his subsequent loss of the bid for the presidency of France,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#New_York_v._Strauss-Kahn_and_later_allegations
    I have no doubts that assignment of the location of World Cup was and always will be accompanied by some or other bribes, including by Russia (2018) and by Qatar (2022).
    El-Murid opines that those arrests are signals to Russian comprador elites to "extradite" Putin,
    to overthrow him, in exchange for the promise not to eliminate them.
    The values of any promises of that kind can be clearly seen on the examples of Mubarak and of Kaddafi, but the deep-seated desire to trust those promises is also seen clearly on the same examples. See Pasternak's

    Столетье с лишним — не вчера,
    А сила прежняя в соблазне
    В надежде славы и добра
    Глядеть на вещи без боязни.

    Disclaimer.
    By no means I (I.f.f.U.) am a fun of the current President of Russia.

    If anybody has any positive illusions about present day Russian leadership, he(she) is welcome to read

    http://vestnikk.ru/society/crucial/20121-on-prosto-pisal-summu-vo-vremya-besedy.html

    I have no idea about the veracity of the statements there; they just look plausible to me.

    However, I do not have any illusions that American rulers of Russia will be any better.
    The experience of robbery of Russia by American-advised (Larry Summers et al)
    Eltsyn’s government and cronies, delicately called “privatization”,
    made me dropping the illusions about the latter.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In terms of an epidemic of a dread infectious disease, 0.6% of the population – which must equate to at least 1% of the sexually active population, is a high and ‘unacceptable’ level of infection.
    For example, such a prevalence rate must mean that every Russian must know of an HIV sufferer.

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    For example, such a prevalence rate must mean that every Russian must know of an HIV sufferer.
     
    No, it doesn't.

    The epidemic is highly clustered amongst IDUs, and to a lesser extent, sex workers. Most people don't rotate in those spheres.
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  • Recent arrests of 10 members of FIFA [International Football (i.e. soccer) Association] is attributed by El-Murid, http://el-murid.livejournal.com/2387370.html ,
    to the USA’s intent to “reveal” their being corrupted by Putin.
    Characteristically, the arrest by Swiss authorities was done by the request of the USA, along with the request to extradite them to the USA.
    The story is paralleled by El-Murid to the arrest of Strauss-Khan, with his subsequent loss of the bid for the presidency of France,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominique_Strauss-Kahn#New_York_v._Strauss-Kahn_and_later_allegations

    I have no doubts that assignment of the location of World Cup was and always will be accompanied by some or other bribes, including by Russia (2018) and by Qatar (2022).
    El-Murid opines that those arrests are signals to Russian comprador elites to “extradite” Putin,
    to overthrow him, in exchange for the promise not to eliminate them.
    The values of any promises of that kind can be clearly seen on the examples of Mubarak and of Kaddafi, but the deep-seated desire to trust those promises is also seen clearly on the same examples. See Pasternak’s

    Столетье с лишним — не вчера,
    А сила прежняя в соблазне
    В надежде славы и добра
    Глядеть на вещи без боязни.

    Disclaimer.
    By no means I (I.f.f.U.) am a fun of the current President of Russia.

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    • Replies: @Immigrant from former USSR
    If anybody has any positive illusions about present day Russian leadership, he(she) is welcome to read
    http://vestnikk.ru/society/crucial/20121-on-prosto-pisal-summu-vo-vremya-besedy.html
    I have no idea about the veracity of the statements there; they just look plausible to me.

    However, I do not have any illusions that American rulers of Russia will be any better.
    The experience of robbery of Russia by American-advised (Larry Summers et al)
    Eltsyn's government and cronies, delicately called "privatization",
    made me dropping the illusions about the latter.

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  • SFG says:
    @Stealth
    Because most of the year-round ice in the world does seem to be retreating, I can't deny that warming has taken place, and I used to be a whole-hearted believer in the claim that global warming is man-made.

    I got on the bandwagon after watching Guy McPherson give one of his speeches. While I didn't believe his outlandish claims, I did become an AGW believer after I later saw photos of the arctic from year to year. After all, we have increased the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere, right?

    Well, yeah, from 0.025 percent to about 0.043 percent. This means that carbon dioxide is less than one twentieth of one percent of our atmosphere. Methane, set to end life on Earth, or so I'm told, is about one five thousandths of a percent of the atmosphere. I'm no scientist, but those seem like miniscule amounts of those gases. I thought CO2 was at least one or two percent. Well, it took only a moment to correct that misconception.

    I'm still an advocate for reducing emissions, though, as well as for other efforts to clean our environment. Perhaps if the global warming crowd convinces enough people to care, we might find alternatives to fossil fuels, which are running out anyway, especially oil.

    Speaking of McPherson, you really should go watch a couple of his talks on Youtube. If the subject matter were not so dire, you'd laugh at all the absurd things he says. He claims that lots of methane is about to escape the ground and oceans of the newly defrosted arctic and heat up the earth by ten to sixteen degrees Celsius. That latter number translates into a smooth twenty nine degrees Fahrenheit. He even raises the possibility of Earth turning into Venus. He claims there's nothing we can do about it, but for some reason he really likes spending time away from his wife to go tell small crowds of people at universities about the impending methane apocalypse, and about the evils of the patriarchy, of course.

    Donations, particularly frequent flier miles, are greatly appreciated.

    It doesn’t have to be a huge amount relative to the amount of oxygen and nitrogen to trap heat.

    I will freely admit there are guys arguing it’s an even bigger deal than it is, or that there are people who want to use it as an excuse to flog their favorite social programs or go after suburbanites for not wanting to live in Manhattan.

    Things can be true even if unpleasant people say they are, and you don’t have to sign on to the rest of the Left program; political programs are done by consensus to build up a coalition anyway. They don’t have all that much to do with the real world.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Anatoly,

    Since Russia is a Brics member, maybe some Russian diplomat could check how Brazil have been dealing with AIDS in the last two decades and maybe borrow some ideas from the Brazillian policies. AIDS was a huge problem here in the 90′s, but our government was pretty sucessful in reducing the number of cases.Brazil has a lot of problems, but its policies on AIDS are among the best in the world.

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  • […] remove some NGOs from its “foreign agents” register. 7. The Unz Review: Anatoly Karlin, Russia Still Doesn’t Have An AIDS Apocalypse. 8. TASS: Russian Internet community against over-regulation, hails government help for Runet. 9. […]

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  • @SFG
    They didn't want to admit gays were more susceptible for obvious political reasons.

    The ice caps are melting, California's getting hit with a drought, and weather patterns all over the place are behaving strangely. I know what I believe.

    Because most of the year-round ice in the world does seem to be retreating, I can’t deny that warming has taken place, and I used to be a whole-hearted believer in the claim that global warming is man-made.

    I got on the bandwagon after watching Guy McPherson give one of his speeches. While I didn’t believe his outlandish claims, I did become an AGW believer after I later saw photos of the arctic from year to year. After all, we have increased the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere, right?

    Well, yeah, from 0.025 percent to about 0.043 percent. This means that carbon dioxide is less than one twentieth of one percent of our atmosphere. Methane, set to end life on Earth, or so I’m told, is about one five thousandths of a percent of the atmosphere. I’m no scientist, but those seem like miniscule amounts of those gases. I thought CO2 was at least one or two percent. Well, it took only a moment to correct that misconception.

    I’m still an advocate for reducing emissions, though, as well as for other efforts to clean our environment. Perhaps if the global warming crowd convinces enough people to care, we might find alternatives to fossil fuels, which are running out anyway, especially oil.

    Speaking of McPherson, you really should go watch a couple of his talks on Youtube. If the subject matter were not so dire, you’d laugh at all the absurd things he says. He claims that lots of methane is about to escape the ground and oceans of the newly defrosted arctic and heat up the earth by ten to sixteen degrees Celsius. That latter number translates into a smooth twenty nine degrees Fahrenheit. He even raises the possibility of Earth turning into Venus. He claims there’s nothing we can do about it, but for some reason he really likes spending time away from his wife to go tell small crowds of people at universities about the impending methane apocalypse, and about the evils of the patriarchy, of course.

    Donations, particularly frequent flier miles, are greatly appreciated.

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    It doesn't have to be a huge amount relative to the amount of oxygen and nitrogen to trap heat.

    I will freely admit there are guys arguing it's an even bigger deal than it is, or that there are people who want to use it as an excuse to flog their favorite social programs or go after suburbanites for not wanting to live in Manhattan.

    Things can be true even if unpleasant people say they are, and you don't have to sign on to the rest of the Left program; political programs are done by consensus to build up a coalition anyway. They don't have all that much to do with the real world.
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  • @SFG
    They didn't want to admit gays were more susceptible for obvious political reasons.

    The ice caps are melting, California's getting hit with a drought, and weather patterns all over the place are behaving strangely. I know what I believe.

    I know that the Earth has warmed in the last few decades. What I’m agnostic about is the cause. It would probably take years of immersion in this topic to form an independent opinion about the cause. I haven’t done that. And I don’t trust scientific consensus about politically-charged topics. The HIV-is-everyman’s-disease story is one reason for this distrust, the race-is-a-social-construct story is another. And let’s not forget Freudianism. It was mainstream only a few decades ago.

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  • @Glossy
    One of the reasons why I'm an AGW agnostic is that I'm old enough to remember the initial wave of HIV hysteria. "Science" told the world that AIDS was everyman's disease. Turned out to be nothing of the sort.

    They didn’t want to admit gays were more susceptible for obvious political reasons.

    The ice caps are melting, California’s getting hit with a drought, and weather patterns all over the place are behaving strangely. I know what I believe.

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    • Replies: @Glossy
    I know that the Earth has warmed in the last few decades. What I'm agnostic about is the cause. It would probably take years of immersion in this topic to form an independent opinion about the cause. I haven't done that. And I don't trust scientific consensus about politically-charged topics. The HIV-is-everyman's-disease story is one reason for this distrust, the race-is-a-social-construct story is another. And let's not forget Freudianism. It was mainstream only a few decades ago.
    , @Stealth
    Because most of the year-round ice in the world does seem to be retreating, I can't deny that warming has taken place, and I used to be a whole-hearted believer in the claim that global warming is man-made.

    I got on the bandwagon after watching Guy McPherson give one of his speeches. While I didn't believe his outlandish claims, I did become an AGW believer after I later saw photos of the arctic from year to year. After all, we have increased the carbon dioxide content of the atmosphere, right?

    Well, yeah, from 0.025 percent to about 0.043 percent. This means that carbon dioxide is less than one twentieth of one percent of our atmosphere. Methane, set to end life on Earth, or so I'm told, is about one five thousandths of a percent of the atmosphere. I'm no scientist, but those seem like miniscule amounts of those gases. I thought CO2 was at least one or two percent. Well, it took only a moment to correct that misconception.

    I'm still an advocate for reducing emissions, though, as well as for other efforts to clean our environment. Perhaps if the global warming crowd convinces enough people to care, we might find alternatives to fossil fuels, which are running out anyway, especially oil.

    Speaking of McPherson, you really should go watch a couple of his talks on Youtube. If the subject matter were not so dire, you'd laugh at all the absurd things he says. He claims that lots of methane is about to escape the ground and oceans of the newly defrosted arctic and heat up the earth by ten to sixteen degrees Celsius. That latter number translates into a smooth twenty nine degrees Fahrenheit. He even raises the possibility of Earth turning into Venus. He claims there's nothing we can do about it, but for some reason he really likes spending time away from his wife to go tell small crowds of people at universities about the impending methane apocalypse, and about the evils of the patriarchy, of course.

    Donations, particularly frequent flier miles, are greatly appreciated.

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  • One of the reasons why I’m an AGW agnostic is that I’m old enough to remember the initial wave of HIV hysteria. “Science” told the world that AIDS was everyman’s disease. Turned out to be nothing of the sort.

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    They didn't want to admit gays were more susceptible for obvious political reasons.

    The ice caps are melting, California's getting hit with a drought, and weather patterns all over the place are behaving strangely. I know what I believe.
    , @Ivan K.
    I'll use the opportunity to post this argument about anthropogenic climate change

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-uY3tuV3yw&feature=youtu.be)
    http://activistteacher.blogspot.com/2015/05/climate-stupidity-and-human-survival.html

    It goes contrary to both the mainstream and A. Karlin's view, and comes from someone who, by his CV, should understand the topic. The combination of all those elements makes these expositions recommendable, regardless whether for laughs or lucidity.
    , @rod1963
    I remember when the scientific and medical community was telling us everyone was susceptible to AID's. That it had nothing to do with the Gay lifestyle and their drug use and heteros doing anal sex. In fact they attacked and destroyed the career of any doctor or critic who brought it up.

    But their lies made a lot of those scientists fat with government research grants.

    It was then I realized scientists and doctors could be bought as easily any whore and they'd lie like anyone else. Many lacked any sort of intellectual and moral honesty.
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  • If one rounded up all the usual suspects to explain today’s failed social engineering, the absence of personal responsibility would top the list. In a nutshell, government initiatives will invariably come up short if the recipient of this largess refuses to take blame for his or her tribulations. Education is a perfect example—an unprepared youngster...
  • @Wally
    I had nothing to do with this 'history', nor do those that profit from the theft of my resources because of their refusal to take personal responsibility for their actions. I have done nothing to harm them.

    Your beliefs are all about coercion & force at the point of a gun. If certain members of society feel a desire to pay the way of the unproductive then let them volunteer their money rather than robbing from those that oppose theft.

    Do tell, how much of your income do you volunteer each year? Or perhaps you are one of the takers, not one of the makers.

    Personal responsibility and "social responsibility" do NOT go hand in hand just because you say it does.

    "Social responsibility" is a Marxist canard concocted to keep the free ride rolling for those whose personal decisions are their responsibility.

    Would you consider running for President? It has been far to long since I have heard anyone say something that was as simple and to the point as your statement. WELL SAID!!

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  • TomB says
    Indeed it seems to me this piece comes close to a sort of … Outrage Baiting, and its focus on race and homosexuality makes it wildly susceptible to appearing to be Outrage Baiting of the lowest denominator.
    ———-
    Indeed. Weissberg’s “outrage” approach deliberately distorts and misreporesents what the CDC reports and documents say. He claims CDC is not doing anything to warn about how personal behavior drives HIV/AIDS problems, when in fact the very same “supporting references” from the CDC that he uses to bolster this claim, flatly contradict it.

    TomB says:
    In [the CDC's words], “Published research does not provide definitive answers about why new HIV infections among young, black/African American gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) have increased.”

    The key word here is INCREASED. The young black gays were ALREADY irresponsible in some ways, just like young white gays. In fact the CDC ITSELF, in one of Weissberg’s “supporting” links, noted an upsurge of unsafe sex without condoms in studies of mostly white gays. “Irresponsibility” is no black monopoly. But the CDC raises a legitimate question as to why the INCREASE? All ALREADY know that personal responsibility is part of the mix. As the CDC points out, published research gives no definitive answer on why.

    Why is this statement of fact a bad thing? Is it increases in irresponsibility? How so after the education campaigns? Poor quality in HIV education? Growing acceptance of the gay lifestyle by the larger society? Growing resentment by gays that the joyous freedom of the pre-AIDS days has been dampened and hindered by the condom and med regimen, leading to riskier behavior increases? These are some of the issues raised in the serious literature. In short the issue does not boil down to the simplistic “bad bureaucrats ‘deny”personal responsibility’ narrative Weissberg would have us believe. Since when is it “bad” to look at such issues, and since when is a plain statement of fact that published research has no definitive answers, some sort of sinister CDC “avoidance” or “denial” of the issues?

    Weissberg takes the CDC quote above out of context to ramp up his distortion tactics to say that the CDC was slighting or avoiding the issue of personal responsibility. Quote by Weissberg:
    “Instead of stating the obvious-risky unprotected anal sex is the culprit-the CDC just alleges that young gay/bisexual African American males become HIV positive because of who they are, not what they do.”

    But this is an outright lie. In fact, 2 paragraphs down on the same page the CDC specifically says:

    ‘Unprotected receptive anal sex is the sexual behavior that carries the highest risk for HIV acquisition [6]. For sexually active MSM, the most effective ways to prevent HIV and many other sexually transmitted infections (STIs) such as syphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia, are to avoid unprotected anal sex and always use condoms [7″

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/brief/

    Weissberg simply misrepresents and distorts what the CDC is doing and saying in this area.

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    TomB says:
    Proceeding then right to the heart of the author’s argument that the CDC is wildly abandoning the idea of personal responsibility go look at that “race” page of the linked document one. And wee where the CDC is involved in no less than seven projects which are clearly aimed at individuals and at getting them to behave in more responsible ways. Seven. (See above-noted “race”-page link again.) http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/facts/index.html)

    ^Stop it. You are actually referencing the actual facts rather than the propaganda narrative. The dishonest Weissberg deliberately misrepresents his sources, all the while posturing in high dudgeon about “irresponsibility”.

    The CDC is perfectly reasonably in looking at several factors. Decisions don’t flow out of a vacuum. Lower socio-economic people for example sometimes make decisions differently than the more affluent and vice versa. In fact conservatives make this point all the time. One of their favorite references is to Theodore Dalrymple’s classic “Life At the Bottom” which concerns mostly the white lower class for example.

    Lower socio-economic white decision making similar to blacks. Far from blacks being the unique basket cases of ignorance Weissberg insinuates, people like blacks, on the relative margins, are often hit hardest by the disease. Middle class people with more education have more resources, more supports, more education and more political clout. Their behavior and decisions tends to be different from those more on the margins with “the culture of the poor,” as sociologists, (and conservatives) have long noted. These are the facts of life even conservatives agree with, not “political correctness.”

    While AIDS is oft seen as a “middle class disease” in developed nations, this is not the case in some of the leading ones. (See Aggleton et al. 2000. AIDS in Europe: New Challenges for the Social Sciences) Mostly white Italy for example is one of the most developed economies but those of lower socio-economic status have higher HIV rates. The same thing is seen in mostly white Spain and mostly white Eastern Europe- AIDS is concentrated most strongly in marginalised or lower socio-economic groups. US blacks are not unique in this pattern. Like other marginalized groups in the West, they have been hit hardest compared with those most favored, and yes of course, their decision-making is like those other marginal white groups. But notice only one certain group gets especially singled out for Weissberg’s fulminations about “responsibility.”

    TOMB SAYS: Once again I’d note that at least to a significant degree the CDC has not eschewed personal responsibility:
    Exactly. Anyone taking the time to read the links can see how dishonest the article is. For those interested in facts, rather than facile propaganda, HIV infections have been climbing steadily- up 17.7 percent since 1999. The trend of riskier condomless sex goes back to the early/mid 1990s. It is nothing new, and is well represented among white gays. In fact things like riskier condomless “barebacking” is on the rise, and has been since the 1990s. Blacks may be the worse impacted as far as new cases, but they are relative latecomers to an INCREASING trend ALREADY IN PLACE among white gays.

    Even more telling, the same trend of riskier sex is in place in WHITE countries with VERY FEW BLACKS. In lily white Netherlands for example, one study showed white homosexuals increasing risky, condomless sex since the 1990s. Studies in mostly WHITE Melbourne, Sydney, Budapest and Russia for example, document the same trend. In short, as one recent scholarly study notes: “gay men in the Western world are less likely to use condoms that they were a decade ago.” (Michael Shernoff (2013) Without condoms). This is the overall trend, in general, in the white West.

    But notice how Weissberg conveniently singles out mostly blacks for his posturing lectures. Why blacks? Because he can ramp up his race-bait “black plague” narrative while ensuring that the spotlight is not put on paler, reputed “role models.”

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  • In the Wikipedia entry titled ‘Biology and Sexual orientation’ they seem to indicate that sexual orientation is less than 40% genetic.
    “Biometric modeling revealed that, in men, genetic effects explained .34–.39 of the variance [of sexual orientation], the shared environment .00, and the individual-specific environment .61–.66 of the variance.”

    The fact that genetics does not by itself determine homosexuality does not make it a choice, or something that anyone can make a rational decision about. One’s sexual preferences in general tend to be nearly unchangeable and utterly unrelated to anything rational, even within homosexuality or heterosexuality. Every gay person who I have talked to has said they knew they were gay in early childhood; I personally knew I was straight at age 6. Besides, why would anyone CHOOSE to be gay?
    More generally, environment is not a choice anyway. People may make *decisions* about their environment as they get older, but those decisions are based on the interaction of genetics with prior environments.

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  • Black and gay behavior, like all behavior, is a product; that is a product of genetics and environment. I certainly do believe that genetics has something to do with relative black and Hispanic failure, but that doesn’t make them any more “personally responsible.” To me personal responsibility is just the law of the jungle, let the chips fall where they may. This is no way to treat people, especially in a modern industrialized country. In any case, greed for cheap labor is the ultimate cause of the issues with blacks and Hispanics (regardless of whether or how much the behaviors are due to genes or discrimination or other environmental factors). Greedy, power-hungry, hyper-competitive rich and powerful white people (mainly WASP males) are ultimately the cause of almost all of America’s problems.

    “I have done nothing to harm them.”

    You have done nothing to “earn” (what a stupid word) where you are as opposed to them. You are a product of your genes and environment, so are they.

    “Your beliefs are all about coercion & force at the point of a gun.”

    In any society, the barrel of a gun is always going to be pointed at someone (pretty much everyone at some level), it’s just a matter of how, and of who is most directly in the line of fire.

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  • Throughout his lengthy article, Weissberg repeatedly and dishonestly, distorts and misrepresents sources he claims supports his position. This raises questions about his own “personal responsibility.”

    To build up his “irresponsible blacks” narrative for example, he says:

    ” the CDC actually denies this “more-unprotected-risky-sex, more HIV” connection as far as young black homosexuals are concerned…”

    But Weissberg’s claims here are open distortion. On the same “supporting” reference he links to, the CDC specifically states that- quote:

    “Sexual risk behaviors account for most HIV infections in MSM [5]. Unprotected receptive anal sex is the sexual behavior that carries the highest risk for HIV acquisition [6]. For sexually active MSM, the most effective ways to prevent HIV and many other sexually transmitted infections (STIs) such as syphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia, are to avoid unprotected anal sex and always use condoms [7″

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/brief/

    Weissberg’s sleight of hand quotes from the early part of the CDC publication, leaving out what is said later down the page. In short the so-called “denial” Weisberg claims does not exist. He simply lies about and misrepresents his sources. Since when has the CDC “denied” that risky sex carries the highest risk of HIV? Weissberg dishonestly claims something as “fact” and “truth” when his own “supporting reference”, the CDC publications, contradict his claims.

    Weissberg then continues his distortion and misrepresenation. He opines: and “Instead of stating the obvious—risky unprotected anal sex is the culprit—the CDC just alleges that young gay/bisexual African American males become HIV positive because of who they are, not what they do.”

    But yet another CDC related government publication on HIV among blacks a contradicts Weissberg’s bogus narrative about “denial”:- quote-

    “Some populations are impacted more than others. African Americans ages 13 to 24 represent only 15 percent of the U.S. teenage population, but accounted for 57 percent of new diagnoses of HIV infection in 2010… African American youth actually have lower rates of drug abuse than Whites and Hispanics… In general, middle and late teen years are when young people engage in risk-taking and sensation-seeking behaviors. Unsafe sexual practices increase a person’s risk of contracting HIV, and using drugs and alcohol can increase the chances of unsafe behavior by altering judgment and decision-making.”
    (Diagnoses of HIV Infection and AIDS in the United States and Dependent Areas, 2010, HIV Surveillance Report, Volume 22)

    Weissberg styles himself an apostle for “personal responsibility.” Perhaps he should heed his own advice and exercise some of that “personal responsibility”, rather than dishonestly misrepresenting sources.

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  • @Jeff Davis
    Long essay, mildly interesting, utterly disgusting.

    Summary translation:

    Let's all celebrate how much we despise n*ggers and f*ggots, especially n*gger f*aggots, and enjoy the warm and fuzzy fellowship of bigotry we share, by dumping on those we culturally agree can be dumped on without fear of social disapproval.

    "Personal responsibility"

    Translation: Though they've enslaved you for half a thousand years, robbed you of your productivity, tortured you, raped you, stripped you of every shred of dignity, justified the unjustifiable, and laughed at your suffering, they then dismiss any notion of personal responsibility for these crimes and insist that you just suck it up and agree that it's all your fault.

    Furthermore, "Stay away from my money". The idea that personal responsibility and social responsibility go hand in hand is anathema to them. They robbed and raped and pillaged and enslaved their way to prosperity fair and square. Stop insisting there was something wrong with that. Stop insisting on compensation. Stop insisting on the truth. Stop insisting on justice. It's so unjust!

    Riiiiiiight!

    Then, comprehensively in denial regarding their own criminal pathology, they write ridiculous and obscene essays blaming their victims, even as they campaign to infect others with their personal-responsibility-denial mythology. The good news: non-bigots aren't buying. The bad news: there is an abundance of race- and sex-issue bigots who are.

    Mr. Wieissberg is a Jew, as am I, and smart enough to factor in complex historical context. He refuses. Reality won't pander to his excuses.

    What a bunch of damned nonsense.

    Mr. Wieissberg is a Jew, as am I, and smart enough to factor in complex historical context. He refuses. Reality won’t pander to his excuses.

    Translation: “I seriously dislike white gentiles. Weissberg needs to come to his senses and realize that nothing matters more than keeping them in their place.”

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  • @Chimp
    So being gay is an ill? A weakness?

    A lifestyle prone to poor decisions that have adverse health effects.

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  • @Hepp

    While it’s true the Founders were indeed fearful of mob rule I don’t see how you say they did not believe in democracy in the modern sense.
     
    If someone today advocated restricting the franchise to property-owning white males, would we call him a believer in democracy? Most certainly not.

    In our further exchange Hepp wrote:

    If someone today advocated restricting the franchise to property-owning white males, would we call him a believer in democracy? Most certainly not.

    Ah, I see what you mean.

    But context matters, doesn’t it? I.e., given their times isn’t it fair to say that our Founders were indeed at least relative believers in democracy?

    And is there really any way to judge such things other than relatively, in context, because that’s just the way ideas work in history?

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  • “the overwhelming thrust…” **chuckles**

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  • Expecting personal responsibility to accompany responsibility-free dependency on tax funded medical care is like expecting pigs to fly.

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  • JD should remove the beam from his own eye. He should clean up his own ethnic back yard. Jews should go and make restitution to the Palestinians (and the Poles, Ukrainians, Hungarians, Russians, etc.), before lecturing us about our history. For that matter, Jews should make restitution for all the damage they’ve done to America, before lecturing us.

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  • Let’s all celebrate how much we despise n*ggers and f*ggots, especially n*gger f*aggots, and enjoy the warm and fuzzy fellowship of bigotry we share, by dumping on those we culturally agree can be dumped on without fear of social disapproval.

    Part of being a leftist seems to include an agreement to pretend leftism and its Narrative aren’t dominant (and haven’t been for 50+ years).

    This quote is a good example. Leftists pretend (or worse, genuinely believe) that whites can criticize blacks and homosexuals without fear of “social disapproval.” It’s natural to presume that they have similar delusions that criticizing, say, white heathen (“gentile”) males is what would get us the social disapproval. This is a direct inversion of reality.

    Alternatively, the quote is an example of the leftist tendency toward totalitarianism and obsession with total hegemony; the author knows perfectly well that leftism and its Narrative holds sway almost everywhere in the west, but finds the existence of .01% of the web where it is not so disturbing that he must sally forth to conquer it for the Narrative.

    Either way, he’s not saying good things about leftism.

    (Then there’s his use of words like (can’t spell it out here) and (probably can’t spell that one out here, either), as if they’re not a lot more prevalent in his comment than in those from any right-wing commenter here.)

    Translation: Though they’ve enslaved you for half a thousand years, robbed you of your productivity, tortured you, raped you, stripped you of every shred of dignity, justified the unjustifiable, and laughed at your suffering, they then dismiss any notion of personal responsibility for these crimes and insist that you just suck it up and agree that it’s all your fault.

    This is kind of muddy. He’s speaking as though we all hold the Narrative dear, and we should know precisely what he’s talking about. It seems that he holds whites personally responsible, and personally guilty of crimes, but doesn’t go into details.

    Furthermore, “Stay away from my money”. The idea that personal responsibility and social responsibility go hand in hand is anathema to them. They robbed and raped and pillaged and enslaved their way to prosperity fair and square. Stop insisting there was something wrong with that. Stop insisting on compensation. Stop insisting on the truth. Stop insisting on justice. It’s so unjust!

    Again, he seems quite convinced that we’re all guilty of some crime, or series of crimes. Crimes like robbery and rape. Presumably we should already know what crimes he’s referring to.

    The interesting thing is, if these are collective crimes, then he would seem to be admitting his own guilt. I am innocent of these crimes, and I assume many here (and throughout the west) would similarly protest their own innocence. Which leaves the author and his fellow-travelers as the ones admitting guilt for the crimes in question. So, naturally, he (and they) have put themselves on the hook for making restitution. It is he, and his fellow-travelers, who should be paying the reparations or restitution that he’s hinting at. Not the rest of us, who categorically deny the charges and assert our innocence.

    Mr. Wieissberg is a Jew, as am I, and smart enough to factor in complex historical context. He refuses. Reality won’t pander to his excuses.

    Maybe the author was talking about the Israeli crimes against Palestine and the Palestinians. He’s certainly out to lunch if he thinks white heathens (“gentiles”) are responsible for the atrocities and oppression commited by Jews in that troubled land.

    “While it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is nevertheless undeniable that practically all stupid people are conservative.” John Stuart Mill

    In my experience, blacks like to “argue” with quotes from famous people. I’ve never quite understood it, beyond the obvious implications of fallacious appeals to authority.

    Intellectually challenged people are fearful people . They don’t understand the world around them, and it frightens them, so they fall back on primitive tribalist defensive strategies — default suspicion, distrust, and aggressiveness against any person or thing that is strange (unfamiliar, different, new) to them. What they do know is that there are intelligent, educated, trusting, compassionate people out there, and that the stupid and fearful are not among them.

    I particularly enjoyed the unintended double entendre:

    Intellectually challenged people are fearful people.

    Leftists, when challenged intellectually, do seem to react with an inordinate amount of fear. As if the heresy of non-leftist thought might infect them, make them impure. Presumably, they then require absolution or benediction from the high priests of leftism?

    Or perhaps the blatantly obvious reality of their condition within a dominant and hostile racist culture might explain something. Ya think?

    Leftists’ supposed concern for blacks is simply posturing. Blacks are a tool, far subordinate to the holy crusade of leftism. If leftists actually cared about blacks, they wouldn’t oppose racial separatism. They’d jump for joy at the thought of white racists separating themselves away from blacks, because the evil whites so separated would have no blacks around to oppress or exploit. Similarly, blacks who’d had enough could separate themselves away from the evil, oppressive, racist whites. Instead, leftists do the opposite. They scream bloody murder at the idea of racial separatism. They fight against it, as if against the Devil himself. They give every indication of preferring to die rather than allow racial separatism or acknowledge the benefits that would accrue to blacks if racial separatism were allowed.

    Here’s the deal: we all start out as infants, which is to say blank slates.

    LOL. Has JD been a troll all along? I suppose it makes little difference.

    If you chop a man’s legs off, to then blame him for not walking defies all logic. Except the logic of the criminal who declares himself blameless and denies all personal responsibility and culpability.

    Having gone back to his Narrative, the author leaves us to guess at exactly what he’s talking about. Presumably, the Legacy of Slavery. The problem with the Legacy of Slavery as having “chopped blacks’ legs off” is that it describes an alternate reality, a fantasy, an inversion of reality. In reality, blacks who live in majority white countries are 20x wealthier than blacks who live in black majority countries; they’re far healthier, freer, and in nearly every measurable way, they’re better off than the less fortunate blacks in sub-Saharan Africa who have no slave ancestors.

    I have met melanin-abundant people from all over the world, and none were stupid or uncivil. American blacks in contrast, and ghetto blacks in particular, have a decidedly bad attitude toward whites

    Haha, this is why I used “measurable” above; there are a few “intangible” lines along which blacks suffer, living around white majorities. In this case, you’re referring to the inevitably deleterious effects of a low-IQ population being subjected to incessant resentment propaganda from leftists, and of living around a much wealthier, more industrious and productive population like whites. It has resulted in a black population that envies and resents the white population.

    But you have to be a bigot — because no one is that stupid — to deny the self-evident source and responsibility for this unhappy social circumstance.

    We’ve already established that you, and your kind, are responsible. You’ve admitted your guilt. Leftists have admitted their guilt. The problem is, you want to drag the rest of us, who are innocent of all counts, down into responsibility with you. This is immoral. You do not get to admit guilt on our part. You only have jurisdiction over yourself. You’ve admitted guilt. The whites who blame whites for collective responsibility for black failure have admitted guilt. The rest of us have not. Own up to your responsibility, and stop trying to foist your debts and obligations onto others.

    I’m Jewish,which is white-ish but a whole lot smarter — get over it. And I most certainly lack self-control, or I wouldn’t waste my time lecturing bigots.

    Stop projecting Jewish guilt for Palestine (inter much alia) onto whites in general. Stop projecting leftist guilt onto whites in general. You’re a bad person; it’s time to clean up your act.

    Personal responsibility, indeed.

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  • @Jeff Davis
    Long essay, mildly interesting, utterly disgusting.

    Summary translation:

    Let's all celebrate how much we despise n*ggers and f*ggots, especially n*gger f*aggots, and enjoy the warm and fuzzy fellowship of bigotry we share, by dumping on those we culturally agree can be dumped on without fear of social disapproval.

    "Personal responsibility"

    Translation: Though they've enslaved you for half a thousand years, robbed you of your productivity, tortured you, raped you, stripped you of every shred of dignity, justified the unjustifiable, and laughed at your suffering, they then dismiss any notion of personal responsibility for these crimes and insist that you just suck it up and agree that it's all your fault.

    Furthermore, "Stay away from my money". The idea that personal responsibility and social responsibility go hand in hand is anathema to them. They robbed and raped and pillaged and enslaved their way to prosperity fair and square. Stop insisting there was something wrong with that. Stop insisting on compensation. Stop insisting on the truth. Stop insisting on justice. It's so unjust!

    Riiiiiiight!

    Then, comprehensively in denial regarding their own criminal pathology, they write ridiculous and obscene essays blaming their victims, even as they campaign to infect others with their personal-responsibility-denial mythology. The good news: non-bigots aren't buying. The bad news: there is an abundance of race- and sex-issue bigots who are.

    Mr. Wieissberg is a Jew, as am I, and smart enough to factor in complex historical context. He refuses. Reality won't pander to his excuses.

    You seem to think that today’s dysfunctional African-American behavior can be attributed to a turbulent social history (including slavery). However, as Prof. Weissberg indicates, it reflects low IQ/high impulsiveness in an environment that excuses irresponsible behavior. You are one of the ones offering excuses.

    The late Prof. Jensen pointed out that a group’s social history cannot much explain its average IQ unless it can be shown that the social history affected its genetic history in a particular way. However, recent research by Piffer has found that people of sub-Saharan African descent are deficient in terms of intelligence-enhancing alleles, whether they reside in Kenya, Nigeria, Barbados, or America. Measured in standard deviation units, and with Utah whites set at 0.0, people of sub-Saharan African descent are consistently less than -2.0. By contrast, East Asians (even groups with turbulent social histories) score consistently higher than Utah whites (or British whites or Finnish whites, etc.).

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  • @Jeff Davis
    "Can you tell me why you liberals can’t keep two ideas in your head at once?"

    Clearly you object to my comment, so you lash out with insult. I have no problem with that. Sticks and stones, etc. But here's one back at you, insult embedded in truth:

    "While it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is nevertheless undeniable that practically all stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

    Intellectually challenged people are fearful people . They don't understand the world around them, and it frightens them, so they fall back on primitive tribalist defensive strategies -- default suspicion, distrust, and aggressiveness against any person or thing that is strange (unfamiliar, different, new) to them. What they do know is that there are intelligent, educated, trusting, compassionate people out there, and that the stupid and fearful are not among them.

    You write:

    "B) Blacks might still lack intelligence and self-control, which can explain their current problems"

    Or perhaps the blatantly obvious reality of their condition within a dominant and hostile racist culture might explain something. Ya think?

    Here's the deal: we all start out as infants, which is to say blank slates. Then, all innocent, we are formed by the culture in which we are embedded. When that culture is itself the consequence of half a millennium of unrelenting violence, what in God's name do you think you are going to get? And is it then the infant's fault or is it the consequence of the half millennium of violence?

    If you chop a man's legs off, to then blame him for not walking defies all logic. Except the logic of the criminal who declares himself blameless and denies all personal responsibility and culpability.

    I have met melanin-abundant people from all over the world, and none were stupid or uncivil. American blacks in contrast, and ghetto blacks in particular, have a decidedly bad attitude toward whites, and some serious challenges to achieving personal happiness. I find them unpleasant, and for the most part avoid them. But you have to be a bigot -- because no one is that stupid -- to deny the self-evident source and responsibility for this unhappy social circumstance.

    I'm Jewish,which is white-ish but a whole lot smarter -- get over it. And I most certainly lack self-control, or I wouldn't waste my time lecturing bigots.

    Here’s the deal: we all start out as infants, which is to say blank slates.

    I didn’t know people still used “blank slate” except as a straw man to attack liberals.

    If you chop a man’s legs off, to then blame him for not walking defies all logic.

    I agree with this analogy, if by “chop a man’s legs off” you mean “triple his life expectancy and give him a standard of living beyond anything he could’ve imagined achieving on his own.”

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  • @TomB
    @ Hepp:

    While it's true the Founders were indeed fearful of mob rule I don't see how you say they did not believe in democracy in the modern sense. Clearly they believed in a republican, representative form of government, and I'm not sure there are any democracies that *don't* take that form, are there?

    Seems to me they've been pretty impressively followed, so I don't know what sense your comments are meant to be taken in.

    While it’s true the Founders were indeed fearful of mob rule I don’t see how you say they did not believe in democracy in the modern sense.

    If someone today advocated restricting the franchise to property-owning white males, would we call him a believer in democracy? Most certainly not.

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    In our further exchange Hepp wrote:

    If someone today advocated restricting the franchise to property-owning white males, would we call him a believer in democracy? Most certainly not.
     
    Ah, I see what you mean.

    But context matters, doesn't it? I.e., given their times isn't it fair to say that our Founders were indeed at least relative believers in democracy?

    And is there really any way to judge such things other than relatively, in context, because that's just the way ideas work in history?
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  • @Hepp
    Can you tell me why you liberals can't keep two ideas in your head at once?

    A) Blacks were treated poorly throughout American history

    B) Blacks might still lack intelligence and self-control, which can explain their current problems

    You disagree with B, so you trot out A. Yet A does not in any way refute B.

    “Can you tell me why you liberals can’t keep two ideas in your head at once?”

    Clearly you object to my comment, so you lash out with insult. I have no problem with that. Sticks and stones, etc. But here’s one back at you, insult embedded in truth:

    “While it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is nevertheless undeniable that practically all stupid people are conservative.” John Stuart Mill

    Intellectually challenged people are fearful people . They don’t understand the world around them, and it frightens them, so they fall back on primitive tribalist defensive strategies — default suspicion, distrust, and aggressiveness against any person or thing that is strange (unfamiliar, different, new) to them. What they do know is that there are intelligent, educated, trusting, compassionate people out there, and that the stupid and fearful are not among them.

    You write:

    “B) Blacks might still lack intelligence and self-control, which can explain their current problems”

    Or perhaps the blatantly obvious reality of their condition within a dominant and hostile racist culture might explain something. Ya think?

    Here’s the deal: we all start out as infants, which is to say blank slates. Then, all innocent, we are formed by the culture in which we are embedded. When that culture is itself the consequence of half a millennium of unrelenting violence, what in God’s name do you think you are going to get? And is it then the infant’s fault or is it the consequence of the half millennium of violence?

    If you chop a man’s legs off, to then blame him for not walking defies all logic. Except the logic of the criminal who declares himself blameless and denies all personal responsibility and culpability.

    I have met melanin-abundant people from all over the world, and none were stupid or uncivil. American blacks in contrast, and ghetto blacks in particular, have a decidedly bad attitude toward whites, and some serious challenges to achieving personal happiness. I find them unpleasant, and for the most part avoid them. But you have to be a bigot — because no one is that stupid — to deny the self-evident source and responsibility for this unhappy social circumstance.

    I’m Jewish,which is white-ish but a whole lot smarter — get over it. And I most certainly lack self-control, or I wouldn’t waste my time lecturing bigots.

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    Here’s the deal: we all start out as infants, which is to say blank slates.

     

    I didn't know people still used "blank slate" except as a straw man to attack liberals.

    If you chop a man’s legs off, to then blame him for not walking defies all logic.
     
    I agree with this analogy, if by "chop a man's legs off" you mean "triple his life expectancy and give him a standard of living beyond anything he could've imagined achieving on his own."
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  • @Jeff Davis
    Long essay, mildly interesting, utterly disgusting.

    Summary translation:

    Let's all celebrate how much we despise n*ggers and f*ggots, especially n*gger f*aggots, and enjoy the warm and fuzzy fellowship of bigotry we share, by dumping on those we culturally agree can be dumped on without fear of social disapproval.

    "Personal responsibility"

    Translation: Though they've enslaved you for half a thousand years, robbed you of your productivity, tortured you, raped you, stripped you of every shred of dignity, justified the unjustifiable, and laughed at your suffering, they then dismiss any notion of personal responsibility for these crimes and insist that you just suck it up and agree that it's all your fault.

    Furthermore, "Stay away from my money". The idea that personal responsibility and social responsibility go hand in hand is anathema to them. They robbed and raped and pillaged and enslaved their way to prosperity fair and square. Stop insisting there was something wrong with that. Stop insisting on compensation. Stop insisting on the truth. Stop insisting on justice. It's so unjust!

    Riiiiiiight!

    Then, comprehensively in denial regarding their own criminal pathology, they write ridiculous and obscene essays blaming their victims, even as they campaign to infect others with their personal-responsibility-denial mythology. The good news: non-bigots aren't buying. The bad news: there is an abundance of race- and sex-issue bigots who are.

    Mr. Wieissberg is a Jew, as am I, and smart enough to factor in complex historical context. He refuses. Reality won't pander to his excuses.

    I had nothing to do with this ‘history’, nor do those that profit from the theft of my resources because of their refusal to take personal responsibility for their actions. I have done nothing to harm them.

    Your beliefs are all about coercion & force at the point of a gun. If certain members of society feel a desire to pay the way of the unproductive then let them volunteer their money rather than robbing from those that oppose theft.

    Do tell, how much of your income do you volunteer each year? Or perhaps you are one of the takers, not one of the makers.

    Personal responsibility and “social responsibility” do NOT go hand in hand just because you say it does.

    “Social responsibility” is a Marxist canard concocted to keep the free ride rolling for those whose personal decisions are their responsibility.

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    Would you consider running for President? It has been far to long since I have heard anyone say something that was as simple and to the point as your statement. WELL SAID!!
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  • @Hepp

    The Founders would be spinning in their graves hearing all this pouting about wanting “leaders.”

    “Oh yeah?” I can just hear ‘em say, “Well shit then why did we waste our lives at Concord and then our time at Philadelphia for then? We thought you wanted to govern *yourselves.* (You miserable weenies.)”

     

    The Founders did not believe in democracy in the modern sense of the word. They believed that the people were generally irrational and incompetent, and that's why the Constitution is basically designed to thwart the will of the people while giving them the ability to prevent absolute dictators from taking power.

    @ Hepp:

    While it’s true the Founders were indeed fearful of mob rule I don’t see how you say they did not believe in democracy in the modern sense. Clearly they believed in a republican, representative form of government, and I’m not sure there are any democracies that *don’t* take that form, are there?

    Seems to me they’ve been pretty impressively followed, so I don’t know what sense your comments are meant to be taken in.

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    While it’s true the Founders were indeed fearful of mob rule I don’t see how you say they did not believe in democracy in the modern sense.
     
    If someone today advocated restricting the franchise to property-owning white males, would we call him a believer in democracy? Most certainly not.
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  • @TomB
    Of course I agree with you, but I don't know any answer other than for the people to just elect representatives who don't listen to co-opted representatives, which sort of brings their past failure to do so right back around to placing the responsibility for where we are at now right on their laps again, right?

    I think you very keenly use the word "representative" though because the nub of lots of our problems I think is people forgetting/not wanting to recognize that.

    That is, hook line and lazy sinker our people have just bought into the idea that no, they aren't really electing representatives, but instead picking "leaders." And of course oooh the pining for "leadership" by so many puling weenies these days. Almost all, invariably, meaning someone who will walk all over the popular good to serve them.

    And despite getting "leader" after "leader" leading us to perdition, by God the people keep trying to elect 'em. Don't pay attention to their positions much, don't educate themselves on the issues, don't hold even the worse miscreants accountable ...

    And then cry about how they are governed.

    The Founders would be spinning in their graves hearing all this pouting about wanting "leaders."

    "Oh yeah?" I can just hear 'em say, "Well shit then why did we waste our lives at Concord and then our time at Philadelphia for then? We thought you wanted to govern *yourselves.* (You miserable weenies.)"

    Talk about an abdication of responsibility! In this case maybe the fish has been rotting from the body up.

    The Founders would be spinning in their graves hearing all this pouting about wanting “leaders.”

    “Oh yeah?” I can just hear ‘em say, “Well shit then why did we waste our lives at Concord and then our time at Philadelphia for then? We thought you wanted to govern *yourselves.* (You miserable weenies.)”

    The Founders did not believe in democracy in the modern sense of the word. They believed that the people were generally irrational and incompetent, and that’s why the Constitution is basically designed to thwart the will of the people while giving them the ability to prevent absolute dictators from taking power.

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    @ Hepp:

    While it's true the Founders were indeed fearful of mob rule I don't see how you say they did not believe in democracy in the modern sense. Clearly they believed in a republican, representative form of government, and I'm not sure there are any democracies that *don't* take that form, are there?

    Seems to me they've been pretty impressively followed, so I don't know what sense your comments are meant to be taken in.
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  • @Jeff Davis
    Long essay, mildly interesting, utterly disgusting.

    Summary translation:

    Let's all celebrate how much we despise n*ggers and f*ggots, especially n*gger f*aggots, and enjoy the warm and fuzzy fellowship of bigotry we share, by dumping on those we culturally agree can be dumped on without fear of social disapproval.

    "Personal responsibility"

    Translation: Though they've enslaved you for half a thousand years, robbed you of your productivity, tortured you, raped you, stripped you of every shred of dignity, justified the unjustifiable, and laughed at your suffering, they then dismiss any notion of personal responsibility for these crimes and insist that you just suck it up and agree that it's all your fault.

    Furthermore, "Stay away from my money". The idea that personal responsibility and social responsibility go hand in hand is anathema to them. They robbed and raped and pillaged and enslaved their way to prosperity fair and square. Stop insisting there was something wrong with that. Stop insisting on compensation. Stop insisting on the truth. Stop insisting on justice. It's so unjust!

    Riiiiiiight!

    Then, comprehensively in denial regarding their own criminal pathology, they write ridiculous and obscene essays blaming their victims, even as they campaign to infect others with their personal-responsibility-denial mythology. The good news: non-bigots aren't buying. The bad news: there is an abundance of race- and sex-issue bigots who are.

    Mr. Wieissberg is a Jew, as am I, and smart enough to factor in complex historical context. He refuses. Reality won't pander to his excuses.

    Can you tell me why you liberals can’t keep two ideas in your head at once?

    A) Blacks were treated poorly throughout American history

    B) Blacks might still lack intelligence and self-control, which can explain their current problems

    You disagree with B, so you trot out A. Yet A does not in any way refute B.

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    "Can you tell me why you liberals can’t keep two ideas in your head at once?"

    Clearly you object to my comment, so you lash out with insult. I have no problem with that. Sticks and stones, etc. But here's one back at you, insult embedded in truth:

    "While it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is nevertheless undeniable that practically all stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

    Intellectually challenged people are fearful people . They don't understand the world around them, and it frightens them, so they fall back on primitive tribalist defensive strategies -- default suspicion, distrust, and aggressiveness against any person or thing that is strange (unfamiliar, different, new) to them. What they do know is that there are intelligent, educated, trusting, compassionate people out there, and that the stupid and fearful are not among them.

    You write:

    "B) Blacks might still lack intelligence and self-control, which can explain their current problems"

    Or perhaps the blatantly obvious reality of their condition within a dominant and hostile racist culture might explain something. Ya think?

    Here's the deal: we all start out as infants, which is to say blank slates. Then, all innocent, we are formed by the culture in which we are embedded. When that culture is itself the consequence of half a millennium of unrelenting violence, what in God's name do you think you are going to get? And is it then the infant's fault or is it the consequence of the half millennium of violence?

    If you chop a man's legs off, to then blame him for not walking defies all logic. Except the logic of the criminal who declares himself blameless and denies all personal responsibility and culpability.

    I have met melanin-abundant people from all over the world, and none were stupid or uncivil. American blacks in contrast, and ghetto blacks in particular, have a decidedly bad attitude toward whites, and some serious challenges to achieving personal happiness. I find them unpleasant, and for the most part avoid them. But you have to be a bigot -- because no one is that stupid -- to deny the self-evident source and responsibility for this unhappy social circumstance.

    I'm Jewish,which is white-ish but a whole lot smarter -- get over it. And I most certainly lack self-control, or I wouldn't waste my time lecturing bigots.
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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It took a long time to eventually lower the percentage of people who smoked. Persistent public awareness campaigns have often featured graphic visuals. Combined with other measures such as banning smoking in buildings the glamour has pretty much been taken out of it. Yet some people continue to smoke despite having seen many times what it can do to a person. With AIDS even if personal accountability were the norm lowering the incidence of it would still be an uphill, multi-year slog. However, is there a logical but unspoken next step in all of this, that is, will medical treatment be withheld from those deemed to have brought it upon themselves? The answer to that is no, people will be treated regardless of how culpable they are for their own situation. Drunk drivers who crash into light poles will not be turned away from the emergency room, morbidly obese people will not be denied medications or surgeries, AIDS patients will continue to get treated regardless of how they got it. That’s just the reality of it. People wouldn’t want to have to step over dying people laying on the sidewalk on their way to work whilst saying to themselves ‘well they brought it upon themselves’. All that can be done is to keep hammering away with the message.

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  • @bomag
    In a very big sense the people have answered the author’s argument here: It has said that despite the lack of personal responsibility involved in many people’s AIDS infections it is going to pay for the research and even care involved in same. Now, you may not like that, but as best as our democratic system is able to say, that is what has been said.

    You and I both know the People have an attenuated voice. There are endless statutes and court rulings that go against popular sentiment.

    This is the age of the expert. Our democratic system elects representatives who decide which experts to listen to. That our experts are co-opted and corrupt is one of the problems here.

    Of course I agree with you, but I don’t know any answer other than for the people to just elect representatives who don’t listen to co-opted representatives, which sort of brings their past failure to do so right back around to placing the responsibility for where we are at now right on their laps again, right?

    I think you very keenly use the word “representative” though because the nub of lots of our problems I think is people forgetting/not wanting to recognize that.

    That is, hook line and lazy sinker our people have just bought into the idea that no, they aren’t really electing representatives, but instead picking “leaders.” And of course oooh the pining for “leadership” by so many puling weenies these days. Almost all, invariably, meaning someone who will walk all over the popular good to serve them.

    And despite getting “leader” after “leader” leading us to perdition, by God the people keep trying to elect ‘em. Don’t pay attention to their positions much, don’t educate themselves on the issues, don’t hold even the worse miscreants accountable …

    And then cry about how they are governed.

    The Founders would be spinning in their graves hearing all this pouting about wanting “leaders.”

    “Oh yeah?” I can just hear ‘em say, “Well shit then why did we waste our lives at Concord and then our time at Philadelphia for then? We thought you wanted to govern *yourselves.* (You miserable weenies.)”

    Talk about an abdication of responsibility! In this case maybe the fish has been rotting from the body up.

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    The Founders would be spinning in their graves hearing all this pouting about wanting “leaders.”

    “Oh yeah?” I can just hear ‘em say, “Well shit then why did we waste our lives at Concord and then our time at Philadelphia for then? We thought you wanted to govern *yourselves.* (You miserable weenies.)”

     

    The Founders did not believe in democracy in the modern sense of the word. They believed that the people were generally irrational and incompetent, and that's why the Constitution is basically designed to thwart the will of the people while giving them the ability to prevent absolute dictators from taking power.
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  • Long essay, mildly interesting, utterly disgusting.

    Summary translation:

    Let’s all celebrate how much we despise n*ggers and f*ggots, especially n*gger f*aggots, and enjoy the warm and fuzzy fellowship of bigotry we share, by dumping on those we culturally agree can be dumped on without fear of social disapproval.

    “Personal responsibility”

    Translation: Though they’ve enslaved you for half a thousand years, robbed you of your productivity, tortured you, raped you, stripped you of every shred of dignity, justified the unjustifiable, and laughed at your suffering, they then dismiss any notion of personal responsibility for these crimes and insist that you just suck it up and agree that it’s all your fault.

    Furthermore, “Stay away from my money”. The idea that personal responsibility and social responsibility go hand in hand is anathema to them. They robbed and raped and pillaged and enslaved their way to prosperity fair and square. Stop insisting there was something wrong with that. Stop insisting on compensation. Stop insisting on the truth. Stop insisting on justice. It’s so unjust!

    Riiiiiiight!

    Then, comprehensively in denial regarding their own criminal pathology, they write ridiculous and obscene essays blaming their victims, even as they campaign to infect others with their personal-responsibility-denial mythology. The good news: non-bigots aren’t buying. The bad news: there is an abundance of race- and sex-issue bigots who are.

    Mr. Wieissberg is a Jew, as am I, and smart enough to factor in complex historical context. He refuses. Reality won’t pander to his excuses.

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    Can you tell me why you liberals can't keep two ideas in your head at once?

    A) Blacks were treated poorly throughout American history

    B) Blacks might still lack intelligence and self-control, which can explain their current problems

    You disagree with B, so you trot out A. Yet A does not in any way refute B.
    , @Wally
    I had nothing to do with this 'history', nor do those that profit from the theft of my resources because of their refusal to take personal responsibility for their actions. I have done nothing to harm them.

    Your beliefs are all about coercion & force at the point of a gun. If certain members of society feel a desire to pay the way of the unproductive then let them volunteer their money rather than robbing from those that oppose theft.

    Do tell, how much of your income do you volunteer each year? Or perhaps you are one of the takers, not one of the makers.

    Personal responsibility and "social responsibility" do NOT go hand in hand just because you say it does.

    "Social responsibility" is a Marxist canard concocted to keep the free ride rolling for those whose personal decisions are their responsibility.
    , @phil
    You seem to think that today's dysfunctional African-American behavior can be attributed to a turbulent social history (including slavery). However, as Prof. Weissberg indicates, it reflects low IQ/high impulsiveness in an environment that excuses irresponsible behavior. You are one of the ones offering excuses.

    The late Prof. Jensen pointed out that a group's social history cannot much explain its average IQ unless it can be shown that the social history affected its genetic history in a particular way. However, recent research by Piffer has found that people of sub-Saharan African descent are deficient in terms of intelligence-enhancing alleles, whether they reside in Kenya, Nigeria, Barbados, or America. Measured in standard deviation units, and with Utah whites set at 0.0, people of sub-Saharan African descent are consistently less than -2.0. By contrast, East Asians (even groups with turbulent social histories) score consistently higher than Utah whites (or British whites or Finnish whites, etc.).
    , @Stealth
    What a bunch of damned nonsense.

    Mr. Wieissberg is a Jew, as am I, and smart enough to factor in complex historical context. He refuses. Reality won’t pander to his excuses.

    Translation: "I seriously dislike white gentiles. Weissberg needs to come to his senses and realize that nothing matters more than keeping them in their place."
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  • bomag [AKA "dizzkneeman"] says:
    @TomB
    I don't for a moment disagree that our society has in any number of ways horribly retreated from the idea of personal responsibility. And in any number of instances our government has become too agnostic with regard to same.

    With that said however if you are going to push the government strongly in the opposite direction it ought to be done validly if that push is to retain its credibility. And I believe there is substantial reason to doubt that is the case here.

    Indeed it seems to me this piece comes close to a sort of ... Outrage Baiting, and its focus on race and homosexuality makes it wildly susceptible to appearing to be Outrage Baiting of the lowest denominator.

    Moreover I believe the subtext of the author's argument here is very dangerous as well.

    ----

    #I.) Suspected Invalidity

    The author writes:

    In [the CDC's words], “Published research does not provide definitive answers about why new HIV infections among young, black/African American gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) have increased.”

    A.)

    But I at least can't find this quote in the page the author cited and linked to. Certainly it may appear somewhere in the bigger, entire document, but once again I can't even find it there after a fair search, and certainly not in the section about race (linked below) where one would expect it to be.

    B.)

    Far worse is that the author is essentially interpreting that quote to say that it represents the CDC's statement that it doesn't know what causes black AIDS at all, whereas of course the more sensible reading is that it is merely the CDC saying that it does not know why infections in the black community are increasing as opposed to the decline in the infection rates of other races.

    And indeed from perusing with fair attention the entire CDC document linked to, esp. the page devoted to racial factors, it seems pretty clear (if not bloody obvious) that the latter is what was meant. (See, e.g.: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/facts/index.html)

    C.)

    Proceeding then right to the heart of the author's argument that the CDC is wildly abandoning the idea of personal responsibility go look at that "race" page of the linked document one. And wee where the CDC is involved in no less than seven projects which are clearly aimed at individuals and at getting them to behave in more responsible ways. Seven. (See above-noted "race"-page link again.)

    I never liked the phrase "Boob-Bait For The Bubba's," but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist, and I don't think we oughta like it.

    II.) Subtext

    It seems to me clear that the subtext of the author's piece is that the CDC (and why not every other government agency too, including its "hard(er)" science efforts?) ought to be far more deeply involved in making and pushing moral judgments and opinions, and that seems to me to be worrisome.

    Once again I'd note that at least to a significant degree the CDC has not eschewed personal responsibility: Instead and at worst I think it can only be said it is just refusing to make moral judgments about the lack of same.

    And this, it seems to me, gets things like this about right. (And why I think that "conservatism" of todays' sort that the author reflects is wrong and why I at least am a ((moderate)) libertarian.)

    Why? Because while today, as the author clearly does, you may be militating for the government's public health (and other science) endeavors to indeed undertake this or that overt moral crusade, what do you say tomorrow when a Mayor Bloomberg or a Bloomberg v.5.0 gets control of government with all its power and with then that all that grand moral authority you've given it too?

    Is there really any doubt that we'd see nothing less than ... a jihad against the fast food industry, for instance? The soft-drink industry? The white-bread industry? (For what might be the most modest of peeks, just look at what Ms. Obama has been trying to do to the school's feeding programs.) And then extend that to the government being thought of as having the moral authority to totally dictate what food is made and what food is not, and/or to you what you can eat in your own home, and/or how much of same, and etc. and so forth.

    I.e. ... You live by the moralizing sword and you may die by it.

    In a very big sense the people have answered the author's argument here: It has said that despite the lack of personal responsibility involved in many people's AIDS infections it is going to pay for the research and even care involved in same. Now, you may not like that, but as best as our democratic system is able to say, that is what has been said.

    Going beyond that and inviting all kinds of moral judgment making and pushing by the incredibly powerful and potentially intrusive government seems to me to be fraught with dangers and deserves some deep thought at the very least.

    In a very big sense the people have answered the author’s argument here: It has said that despite the lack of personal responsibility involved in many people’s AIDS infections it is going to pay for the research and even care involved in same. Now, you may not like that, but as best as our democratic system is able to say, that is what has been said.

    You and I both know the People have an attenuated voice. There are endless statutes and court rulings that go against popular sentiment.

    This is the age of the expert. Our democratic system elects representatives who decide which experts to listen to. That our experts are co-opted and corrupt is one of the problems here.

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    Of course I agree with you, but I don't know any answer other than for the people to just elect representatives who don't listen to co-opted representatives, which sort of brings their past failure to do so right back around to placing the responsibility for where we are at now right on their laps again, right?

    I think you very keenly use the word "representative" though because the nub of lots of our problems I think is people forgetting/not wanting to recognize that.

    That is, hook line and lazy sinker our people have just bought into the idea that no, they aren't really electing representatives, but instead picking "leaders." And of course oooh the pining for "leadership" by so many puling weenies these days. Almost all, invariably, meaning someone who will walk all over the popular good to serve them.

    And despite getting "leader" after "leader" leading us to perdition, by God the people keep trying to elect 'em. Don't pay attention to their positions much, don't educate themselves on the issues, don't hold even the worse miscreants accountable ...

    And then cry about how they are governed.

    The Founders would be spinning in their graves hearing all this pouting about wanting "leaders."

    "Oh yeah?" I can just hear 'em say, "Well shit then why did we waste our lives at Concord and then our time at Philadelphia for then? We thought you wanted to govern *yourselves.* (You miserable weenies.)"

    Talk about an abdication of responsibility! In this case maybe the fish has been rotting from the body up.

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  • @Chimp
    So being gay is an ill? A weakness?

    Of coarse. You think knot?

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  • When individuals abdicate responsibility, who steps in to assume those duties?

    Cui bono.

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  • @Chimp
    So being gay is an ill? A weakness?

    Being gay is at least much more of a choice than we have been led to beleive by say ‘Will and Grace.’
    In the Wikipedia entry titled ‘Biology and Sexual orientation’ they seem to indicate that sexual orientation is less than 40% genetic.
    “Biometric modeling revealed that, in men, genetic effects explained .34–.39 of the variance [of sexual orientation], the shared environment .00, and the individual-specific environment .61–.66 of the variance.”
    So I do not understand the equivalency with Civil Rights?
    Are we equating something that is possibly sixty per cent choice with something that is a born genetic attribute? If sexual orientation is over half choice why the movement to create special protections?

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  • Doesn’t Weissberg know that ‘Reaganite indifference’ spread AIDS in the 80s?

    It wasn’t due to all that ass-boofing among homos.

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  • @rod1963
    Not a blame game.

    It's about assigning personal responsibility.

    AID's is behavior driven. If you don't stick your penis where it doesn't belong(anal sex) and don't have multiple illicit sex-partners on a nightly basis, chances of a person getting AIDS is next to zero.

    But you can't have victims with such a view. You just have stupid people making stupid life decisions and the taxpayer having to support the fools for the rest of their lives.

    If we’re going to do health care “behavior” carve-outs, don’t you think AIDS is pretty minor compared to the big “behavior-driven” diseases?

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  • @Viking
    Is blame the game? So let's blame the victim . Lucky for us the victim has no voice. Is this the
    tip of failed American culture? Most certainly it's what we do best . It's cowardly and demonstrates
    that we have zero empathy. Always remember that co-operation will cause dependencies this is the
    new American mantra.

    Not a blame game.

    It’s about assigning personal responsibility.

    AID’s is behavior driven. If you don’t stick your penis where it doesn’t belong(anal sex) and don’t have multiple illicit sex-partners on a nightly basis, chances of a person getting AIDS is next to zero.

    But you can’t have victims with such a view. You just have stupid people making stupid life decisions and the taxpayer having to support the fools for the rest of their lives.

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    If we're going to do health care "behavior" carve-outs, don't you think AIDS is pretty minor compared to the big "behavior-driven" diseases?
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  • @Chimp
    So being gay is an ill? A weakness?

    Yes. It is a mental illness, and as noted in the article homosexual activity increases costs to society due to sexually transmitted disease. LGBT rights and ‘gay’ marriage agendas force society at large to expose our children to the conception that deviant behavior is permissible, a viewpoint which is reinforced by the barrage of media images depicting happy, well-adjusted homosexuals comically out of proportion to the true overall prevalence of homosexuals in society at large (1 to 2%; the average American guesses that about 25% of the population is ‘gay’).

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  • Is blame the game? So let’s blame the victim . Lucky for us the victim has no voice. Is this the
    tip of failed American culture? Most certainly it’s what we do best . It’s cowardly and demonstrates
    that we have zero empathy. Always remember that co-operation will cause dependencies this is the
    new American mantra.

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    Not a blame game.

    It's about assigning personal responsibility.

    AID's is behavior driven. If you don't stick your penis where it doesn't belong(anal sex) and don't have multiple illicit sex-partners on a nightly basis, chances of a person getting AIDS is next to zero.

    But you can't have victims with such a view. You just have stupid people making stupid life decisions and the taxpayer having to support the fools for the rest of their lives.
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  • Well argued and written Mr. Weissberg.

    As if I had just arrived from Mars last week, I accompanied a friend to a local, chain, filling station at 8 in the morning. As I sat in the truck while he went into the store I watched a parade of Jumbo-sized people carrying what appeared to be smallish, half-gallon or gallon sized, plastic beer kegs into the store. Emblazoned on the sides of the kegs was the station’s Logo.

    When my friend returned I told him what I had seen. “Oh yes”, he replied, “They take them in for free refills first thing in the morning so they have them to drink out of all day.”

    “FREE refills?”

    “Yeah, you pay once to buy the mug and the drink is free forever.”

    Makes sense. All they’re getting is high fructose corn syrup with fizzy water. How much can that cost the store? And while they’re in there they’ll probably stock up on burritos, chips, cigs or whatever. It certainly goes a long way towards explaining why there are so many fat people in America. Plus they get their sugar fix as a reward for gasing up at the pump. Good old operant conditioning.

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  • “The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of all our adversities.”

    Sophocles wrote that some time in the 5th century BC and he probably wasn’t the first to realise it. Now 2600 years later the official dogma is that none of the underclass’ problems are of their own making. . The denial of personal responsibility is one of the factors as you say. Another is the imperative to be nonjudgmental . In the health care industry after covering your ass it’s number one. As in our public schools it leads to diverting nutrients from healthy cells to malignant ones. Many people working in these fields recognize this but to voice it will cost you your job. To advance in management this attitude must be internalized. No chance for change there.
    A lot of the nurses working in hospitals today are immigrants. Once as I was walking down the hall a nurse who was from Cameroon came out of a patients room muttering to herself in indignation “in my country that man would be told to leave this hospital and never return”. God, what they must think!
    The system is dysfunctional beyond repair .We are on autopilot and will most certainly end up a shipwreck on the rocks.
    Well I’m 65 and in poor health , my own doing , I had good genes. I hope to not live to see it.

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  • I don’t for a moment disagree that our society has in any number of ways horribly retreated from the idea of personal responsibility. And in any number of instances our government has become too agnostic with regard to same.

    With that said however if you are going to push the government strongly in the opposite direction it ought to be done validly if that push is to retain its credibility. And I believe there is substantial reason to doubt that is the case here.

    Indeed it seems to me this piece comes close to a sort of … Outrage Baiting, and its focus on race and homosexuality makes it wildly susceptible to appearing to be Outrage Baiting of the lowest denominator.

    Moreover I believe the subtext of the author’s argument here is very dangerous as well.

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    #I.) Suspected Invalidity

    The author writes:

    In [the CDC's words], “Published research does not provide definitive answers about why new HIV infections among young, black/African American gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men (MSM) have increased.”

    A.)

    But I at least can’t find this quote in the page the author cited and linked to. Certainly it may appear somewhere in the bigger, entire document, but once again I can’t even find it there after a fair search, and certainly not in the section about race (linked below) where one would expect it to be.

    B.)

    Far worse is that the author is essentially interpreting that quote to say that it represents the CDC’s statement that it doesn’t know what causes black AIDS at all, whereas of course the more sensible reading is that it is merely the CDC saying that it does not know why infections in the black community are increasing as opposed to the decline in the infection rates of other races.

    And indeed from perusing with fair attention the entire CDC document linked to, esp. the page devoted to racial factors, it seems pretty clear (if not bloody obvious) that the latter is what was meant. (See, e.g.: http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/racialethnic/aa/facts/index.html)

    C.)

    Proceeding then right to the heart of the author’s argument that the CDC is wildly abandoning the idea of personal responsibility go look at that “race” page of the linked document one. And wee where the CDC is involved in no less than seven projects which are clearly aimed at individuals and at getting them to behave in more responsible ways. Seven. (See above-noted “race”-page link again.)

    I never liked the phrase “Boob-Bait For The Bubba’s,” but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, and I don’t think we oughta like it.

    II.) Subtext

    It seems to me clear that the subtext of the author’s piece is that the CDC (and why not every other government agency too, including its “hard(er)” science efforts?) ought to be far more deeply involved in making and pushing moral judgments and opinions, and that seems to me to be worrisome.

    Once again I’d note that at least to a significant degree the CDC has not eschewed personal responsibility: Instead and at worst I think it can only be said it is just refusing to make moral judgments about the lack of same.

    And this, it seems to me, gets things like this about right. (And why I think that “conservatism” of todays’ sort that the author reflects is wrong and why I at least am a ((moderate)) libertarian.)

    Why? Because while today, as the author clearly does, you may be militating for the government’s public health (and other science) endeavors to indeed undertake this or that overt moral crusade, what do you say tomorrow when a Mayor Bloomberg or a Bloomberg v.5.0 gets control of government with all its power and with then that all that grand moral authority you’ve given it too?

    Is there really any doubt that we’d see nothing less than … a jihad against the fast food industry, for instance? The soft-drink industry? The white-bread industry? (For what might be the most modest of peeks, just look at what Ms. Obama has been trying to do to the school’s feeding programs.) And then extend that to the government being thought of as having the moral authority to totally dictate what food is made and what food is not, and/or to you what you can eat in your own home, and/or how much of same, and etc. and so forth.

    I.e. … You live by the moralizing sword and you may die by it.

    In a very big sense the people have answered the author’s argument here: It has said that despite the lack of personal responsibility involved in many people’s AIDS infections it is going to pay for the research and even care involved in same. Now, you may not like that, but as best as our democratic system is able to say, that is what has been said.

    Going beyond that and inviting all kinds of moral judgment making and pushing by the incredibly powerful and potentially intrusive government seems to me to be fraught with dangers and deserves some deep thought at the very least.

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    In a very big sense the people have answered the author’s argument here: It has said that despite the lack of personal responsibility involved in many people’s AIDS infections it is going to pay for the research and even care involved in same. Now, you may not like that, but as best as our democratic system is able to say, that is what has been said.

    You and I both know the People have an attenuated voice. There are endless statutes and court rulings that go against popular sentiment.

    This is the age of the expert. Our democratic system elects representatives who decide which experts to listen to. That our experts are co-opted and corrupt is one of the problems here.
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  • There is an often-ignored impact of the increasingly narcissistic, excuse-ridden generations. They grow up to become parents and, via example, instill these values in their children. The children grow up to become politicians, civil servants, bankers, and military officers. One might even become President. Collectively, they have no concept of the public good or social responsibility. They selfishly act for their private interests. They ignore their impact on others. At some point, a society is not able to govern itself in an atmosphere of almost universal moral, social, and political anarchy. Are we there yet?

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  • @Anonymous
    I agree. Personal responsibility is the key to many ills we face - gay, fat, smoker, drinker, texting while driving, whatever. We've all got a weakness in some area of our lives.

    So being gay is an ill? A weakness?

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    Yes. It is a mental illness, and as noted in the article homosexual activity increases costs to society due to sexually transmitted disease. LGBT rights and 'gay' marriage agendas force society at large to expose our children to the conception that deviant behavior is permissible, a viewpoint which is reinforced by the barrage of media images depicting happy, well-adjusted homosexuals comically out of proportion to the true overall prevalence of homosexuals in society at large (1 to 2%; the average American guesses that about 25% of the population is 'gay').
    , @conatus
    Being gay is at least much more of a choice than we have been led to beleive by say 'Will and Grace.'
    In the Wikipedia entry titled 'Biology and Sexual orientation' they seem to indicate that sexual orientation is less than 40% genetic.
    "Biometric modeling revealed that, in men, genetic effects explained .34–.39 of the variance [of sexual orientation], the shared environment .00, and the individual-specific environment .61–.66 of the variance."
    So I do not understand the equivalency with Civil Rights?
    Are we equating something that is possibly sixty per cent choice with something that is a born genetic attribute? If sexual orientation is over half choice why the movement to create special protections?
    , @Anonymous
    Of coarse. You think knot?
    , @Anonymous
    A lifestyle prone to poor decisions that have adverse health effects.
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  • I agree. Personal responsibility is the key to many ills we face – gay, fat, smoker, drinker, texting while driving, whatever. We’ve all got a weakness in some area of our lives.

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    So being gay is an ill? A weakness?
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  • I knew that gays had a maybe five or even ten times higher chance of getting AIDS and other STD's than heterosexuals. I didn't know the differential was actually more like 50. Something like 20% of the US gay population (which makes up 3.5% of its total population) is HIV positive. It is 5% in...
  • @Ukrainian_maniac
    Has straight marriage made straight people less promiscuous?

    Your comment is a very ignorant and stupid one.

    I live in Canada where gay marriage is legal, and the queers here are disgusting, extremely promiscuous and flamboyant as ever, I wish they were gone forever seriously.

    Marriage, as in cohabitation, has obviously made people less promiscuous.

    Marriage, as in legal abstract, makes people also less promiscuous but its effect is much smaller.

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  • @charly
    I don't see why Lesbian couples can't have children but marriage isn't only to provide a nest for children but also to have stable relationships. Problem with gay culture is that it formed in an environment in which stable relationships were made nearly impossible which lead to a very promiscuous culture. But with gay marriage homosexual culture will become less promiscuous.

    Has straight marriage made straight people less promiscuous?

    Your comment is a very ignorant and stupid one.

    I live in Canada where gay marriage is legal, and the queers here are disgusting, extremely promiscuous and flamboyant as ever, I wish they were gone forever seriously.

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    Marriage, as in cohabitation, has obviously made people less promiscuous.

    Marriage, as in legal abstract, makes people also less promiscuous but its effect is much smaller.

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  • @AM
    Having sex with sex of your preference is one thing, another thing is promiscuity which often seems to go and in hand with being gay, - a very risky lifestyle, and gay culture where AIDS is considered a "gift" is just suicidal. I'm against gay propaganda ban, but should this lifestyle be actively encouraged... ? Most bi's I know just fancy experimenting with sex...

    My bet is that gifting is just as common under gays as swingers are under strait people

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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    Which privileges would you remove from gay marriages?

    Various financial bonuses which are designed in view of a marriage's traditional function i.e. to provide a nest for children.

    I don’t see why Lesbian couples can’t have children but marriage isn’t only to provide a nest for children but also to have stable relationships. Problem with gay culture is that it formed in an environment in which stable relationships were made nearly impossible which lead to a very promiscuous culture. But with gay marriage homosexual culture will become less promiscuous.

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    Has straight marriage made straight people less promiscuous?

    Your comment is a very ignorant and stupid one.

    I live in Canada where gay marriage is legal, and the queers here are disgusting, extremely promiscuous and flamboyant as ever, I wish they were gone forever seriously.

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  • I live in BC and all the Eastern Europeans I know undertsand that homosexuality is unhealthy psychologically and physically, and we laugh at Canadians and Anglos who think its OK, and good to tolerate it. Muslims, Slavs, Jews, Catholics, and many Asians have the right idea when it comes to homosexuality, it does not belong in parades on the street and out in the open.

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  • @AM
    This is about sexual lifestyle of many partners and the fact that anal intercourse is more traumatic, hence more likely to transmit the virus, than vaginal intercourse.
    I wonder how is it with lesbians, is it a risky lifestyle for a woman or actually, a safer one than heterosexuality?

    I don't like Russian gay propaganda ban. Imo banning homosexual propaganda = making homosexual feel unwelcome and the society hostile towards them, will put Russian gay teenagers at risk of suicide.

    LOL good I hope all the gay teenagers in Russia off themselves, Russia has too many perverts as it is

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  • @Craig James Willy
    I am all for respecting each country's sovereignty but I am not convinced these particular arguments hold up:
    1) As with drugs or prostitution, acceptance of and formalization/equality of gay relationships makes the dangers of an "prohibited" existence less likely. This applies both to pedophilia-repression (I am convinced there is an extremely strong relationship between priesthoods' chastity vows/homophobia and their pedophilia) and health risks (here the analogy with drugs is very strong).

    2) There's an assumption here that if something is socially repressed it will somehow be lesser or go away. Homosexuality has and always will exist. It is less visible in rural and conservative societies, but it crops up everywhere as soon as you urbanize (e.g. that like-minded people have a chance to get together). This being the case I would rather recognize this reality and create structures and openness to manage it, rather than repress it. I have seen no compelling evidence that homosexuality is "nurtured" into individuals by progressive attitudes. This is in addition to the argument for individual happiness, which I also find compelling.

    This isn't to say that all countries should be expected to have the same attitudes as "progressive" countries. On the contrary, each must develop at its own pace and in line with itself. This being said, I see nothing whatsoever showing that the total-equality states (Argentina, Canada, Spain, South Africa..) have any particular problems because of this (if anything I expect well-being to be greater than in repressive states). Life in Belgium, where I live and it is legal, continues as perfectly normal. In fact, I believe this is in line with the general motion of history towards well-being and happiness and I am personally quite proud that France will shortly be joining the vanguard.

    South Africa is not a total equality state it is a black supremacist 3rd world shit hole where whites are discriminated against, raped, killed, robbed, everyday and the government supports this

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  • @charly
    You are right that sexuality is a continuum but it does have to very distict poles were most humans are. They or highly perfer women or they highly perfer man. In fact most bi's i know are just gays who don't want to admit that they are gay.
    A society in which is less of a taboo on homesexuality is also a society in which there are less gays sleeping with women.


    Having sex with the sex of your preference is somewhat high on the list of needs. Making them "uncool" with public hanging like they do in Iran doesn't seem to work so i doubt that forbidding gay pride marches will have any effect


    Which privileges would you remove from gay marriages?

    Which privileges would you remove from gay marriages?

    Various financial bonuses which are designed in view of a marriage’s traditional function i.e. to provide a nest for children.

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    I don't see why Lesbian couples can't have children but marriage isn't only to provide a nest for children but also to have stable relationships. Problem with gay culture is that it formed in an environment in which stable relationships were made nearly impossible which lead to a very promiscuous culture. But with gay marriage homosexual culture will become less promiscuous.
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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    No, none of that is not correct.

    There is no such assumption. What is a fact is that homosexuality is a continuum, not a set of discrete sets. E.g., bisexuals. In fact they (and homos who say they are gay but are in fact bi) are more dangerous than ordinary homosexuals because they spread STD's to women and the general population. So it is patently in society's interests to minimize their proclivities via various disincentives e.g. by making it clear that it views male-on-male sex as a deviance or at least as "uncool" by measures such as forbidding gay pride marches (which are more about public debauchery than rights nowadays anyway) and propagandizing of the gay lifestyle to children in schools. (And not banning parents from trying to fix their child's sexual orientation).

    As regards "discrimination", well, I guess it's all relative. I certainly don't think it should be illegalized. I am not even against gay civil unions albeit with fewer privileges than traditional marriages. Certainly that would qualify me as fairly liberal by Russian standards, or for that matter, American 1970's standards.

    Also while you're allowed to insult me on Mark's Facebook that does not apply here (see Rule 1). This is your first and last warning.

    Living in the Bay area and posting this – very brave of you!

    Research all suggests that sexual orientation in males is basically biological in nature; thus homosexuality is not the choice of perverse individuals but something innate, like a birth defect (there is less evidence for this for females, although the AIDS promiscuity problems are mostly male homosexual problems). It probably has something to do with testosterone level during pregnancy, making it a congenital birth defect (I do not mean to use this term pejoratively). Treating homosexuals as morally perverse monsters because of their sexual orientation is akin to treating the mentally ill as demon-possessed evil people – backward and inhumane.

    Probably anything that channels homosexuals into healthier behavior patterns, such as acceptance (which cuts down on closeted gays giving AIDS to their wives), and marriage (which discourages promiscuity), is a good thing. Moreover it seems cruel to deny people the right to marry with all of its benefits simply because of something that was not their choice.

    That being said, under certain conditions biological gays may live heterosexual lifestyles, just as, in prisons, or in ancient Greece, or in other cultures or subcultures biological straights engage in homosexual behavior. People may transcend their biological nature and behave differently than in the way they are wired to behave. It’s a difference between people and animals. So an argument can be made that aggressive promotion of homosexuality may be harmful, given the difficulties faced by people with gay orientations, if such promotion results in a few more people living gay lifestyles. But tolerance, marriage equality, laws against discrimination don’t fall into the category of aggressive promotion or propaganda.

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  • @Doug M.
    Ugh. Anatoly, this is sloppy stuff. No offense, but this reads like you're letting your conclusions guide your research, not the other way 'round.

    Not going to fisk the whole thing, but here's a single example: "the statistics also destroy yet another liberal canard: That there is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia" Well, no. There's actually been research on this. Quite a lot of research. Some goes back to the 1970s, but it really got going in the late 1980s. You'd expect so, right? That was when gay rights really began to be a thing. So the question "is there a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia" really began to become pressing.

    Short answer: No, there isn't. I'm going to compress 25 years of intense research into two bullets. (1) A significant number of pedophiles don't map onto the gay-straight spectrum. They're sexually attracted to *children*, without much regard for the gender of the child. Weird but true: as far as the research can tell, they're not wired to distinguish among gender. -- Note that "a significant number" isn't "all". Pedophiles come in different flavors, and some of them are only attracted to one gender of child. But a lot of them aren't. (2) Yes, it really does seem to be an access issue. It's just much, much easier for an adult male to get access to boys than to girls. Coaches, teachers, Boy Scout troop leaders, hobby instructors, the guy who runs the boys choir at the church... it's trivially easy for an adult male to get access to boys. This isn't speculation; it's based both on research and on a disturbingly tall stack of testimony from actual pedophiles. These guys actively seek out these roles. A significant number of them choose to become teachers or priests or sports coaches because that's where the kids are. Even the ones that don't let it shape their career choices are much more likely to sign up for Boy Scouts or the Big Brother program, or to become active in gender-differentiated social activities like Little League. That's known, and it's why (for instance) Big Brother does a fair amount of screening on its would-be mentors. (It's also why people are suing the Boy Scouts: because they knew this, should have screened, and didn't.)

    Fifteen seconds with google gave me a survey article on this: http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html. It's a bit dated, but it looks like a decent introduction; since it was my first hit, let's go with it. If that doesn't suit you, another fifteen seconds gave me a dozen more. I know you can do as well. If you dig a bit, you'll find that the overwhelming preponderance of actual research seems to be showing that there isn't a connection.


    Doug M.

    Interesting article about this from the Guardian

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light

    In fact, paedophilia might be another kind of sexual orientation, completely separate from homo/hetero.

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  • Ugh. Anatoly, this is sloppy stuff. No offense, but this reads like you’re letting your conclusions guide your research, not the other way ’round.

    Not going to fisk the whole thing, but here’s a single example: “the statistics also destroy yet another liberal canard: That there is no connection between homosexuality and pedophilia” Well, no. There’s actually been research on this. Quite a lot of research. Some goes back to the 1970s, but it really got going in the late 1980s. You’d expect so, right? That was when gay rights really began to be a thing. So the question “is there a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia” really began to become pressing.

    Short answer: No, there isn’t. I’m going to compress 25 years of intense research into two bullets. (1) A significant number of pedophiles don’t map onto the gay-straight spectrum. They’re sexually attracted to *children*, without much regard for the gender of the child. Weird but true: as far as the research can tell, they’re not wired to distinguish among gender. — Note that “a significant number” isn’t “all”. Pedophiles come in different flavors, and some of them are only attracted to one gender of child. But a lot of them aren’t. (2) Yes, it really does seem to be an access issue. It’s just much, much easier for an adult male to get access to boys than to girls. Coaches, teachers, Boy Scout troop leaders, hobby instructors, the guy who runs the boys choir at the church… it’s trivially easy for an adult male to get access to boys. This isn’t speculation; it’s based both on research and on a disturbingly tall stack of testimony from actual pedophiles. These guys actively seek out these roles. A significant number of them choose to become teachers or priests or sports coaches because that’s where the kids are. Even the ones that don’t let it shape their career choices are much more likely to sign up for Boy Scouts or the Big Brother program, or to become active in gender-differentiated social activities like Little League. That’s known, and it’s why (for instance) Big Brother does a fair amount of screening on its would-be mentors. (It’s also why people are suing the Boy Scouts: because they knew this, should have screened, and didn’t.)

    Fifteen seconds with google gave me a survey article on this: http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html. It’s a bit dated, but it looks like a decent introduction; since it was my first hit, let’s go with it. If that doesn’t suit you, another fifteen seconds gave me a dozen more. I know you can do as well. If you dig a bit, you’ll find that the overwhelming preponderance of actual research seems to be showing that there isn’t a connection.

    Doug M.

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    Interesting article about this from the Guardian
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light
    In fact, paedophilia might be another kind of sexual orientation, completely separate from homo/hetero.
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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    No, none of that is not correct.

    There is no such assumption. What is a fact is that homosexuality is a continuum, not a set of discrete sets. E.g., bisexuals. In fact they (and homos who say they are gay but are in fact bi) are more dangerous than ordinary homosexuals because they spread STD's to women and the general population. So it is patently in society's interests to minimize their proclivities via various disincentives e.g. by making it clear that it views male-on-male sex as a deviance or at least as "uncool" by measures such as forbidding gay pride marches (which are more about public debauchery than rights nowadays anyway) and propagandizing of the gay lifestyle to children in schools. (And not banning parents from trying to fix their child's sexual orientation).

    As regards "discrimination", well, I guess it's all relative. I certainly don't think it should be illegalized. I am not even against gay civil unions albeit with fewer privileges than traditional marriages. Certainly that would qualify me as fairly liberal by Russian standards, or for that matter, American 1970's standards.

    Also while you're allowed to insult me on Mark's Facebook that does not apply here (see Rule 1). This is your first and last warning.

    AK: Another option is to target bisexual people and their behaviour and thinking through doctors or hospitals rather than homosexual culture itself. A lot of bisexual people don’t think of themselves as gay, especially if they’re the “dominant” partner in a homosexual relationship.

    It might be better also to distinguish sexual practices such as anal sex which in itself isn’t homosexual – I believe some ancient societies favoured anal sex as a form of birth control – and target those instead, either by emphasising protection and hygiene, substituting a safer practice or making that practice illegal if one of the partners is under-age or does not give consent. At some stage in the past a lot of what we call male-on-male sex was practised in heterosexual cultures, if not within marriage, then certainly in prostitute-client encounters.

    The problem in talking about “gay culture” or “gay lifestyles” is that everyone has different ideas of what those mean and there’s no clear boundary between what’s gay and what’s not; it depends very much on the cultural context in which the issue arises. In some countries, certain occupations or activities might be stigmatised as gay: even playing piano, practising ballet or certain other styles of dancing can be seen as gay. In some societies, people can’t even conceive that some people might prefer the company of their own sex.

    Also I wonder if the ban on promoting gay lifestyles to children in Russia might have something to do with suspicion of Western identity politics and a fear that LBGT groups in Russia might be infiltrated by people or organisations outside the country with an anti-Putin agenda.

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  • @Proud Homo
    No, what I meant was that if homosexual lifestyle (if it is such) is more prone to HIV-infections, early death and sexual child abuse, then, according to your argumentation, it is okay to have laws that ban propraganda of that lifestyle.

    According to statistics, lifestyle in Putin's Russia causes much more HIV, child pornography and early death than practically any other lifestyle. Shouldn't we then ban all propaganda that promotes such lifestyle? Like your blog Da Russophile?

    My blog Da Russophile does not “promote” Russian and specifically drug injecting lifestyles, it factually and statistically documents myths about Russia.

    First. Second, the blog’s audience aren’t children, for that matter.

    Finally if you really want HIV and early death then the ideal lifestyle to promote is sub-Saharan African. By far.

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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    You can say whatever you want, but I don't see how any of this is particularly germane to the points I raised here.

    Anyway as regards Russia the vast majority of new HIV infections are from intravenous drug use, with the remainder coming from fucking said IDUs (a fairly recent development). No need to add male-on-male transmission to the mix.

    No, what I meant was that if homosexual lifestyle (if it is such) is more prone to HIV-infections, early death and sexual child abuse, then, according to your argumentation, it is okay to have laws that ban propraganda of that lifestyle.

    According to statistics, lifestyle in Putin’s Russia causes much more HIV, child pornography and early death than practically any other lifestyle. Shouldn’t we then ban all propaganda that promotes such lifestyle? Like your blog Da Russophile?

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    My blog Da Russophile does not "promote" Russian and specifically drug injecting lifestyles, it factually and statistically documents myths about Russia.

    First. Second, the blog's audience aren't children, for that matter.

    Finally if you really want HIV and early death then the ideal lifestyle to promote is sub-Saharan African. By far.

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  • @charly
    You are right that sexuality is a continuum but it does have to very distict poles were most humans are. They or highly perfer women or they highly perfer man. In fact most bi's i know are just gays who don't want to admit that they are gay.
    A society in which is less of a taboo on homesexuality is also a society in which there are less gays sleeping with women.


    Having sex with the sex of your preference is somewhat high on the list of needs. Making them "uncool" with public hanging like they do in Iran doesn't seem to work so i doubt that forbidding gay pride marches will have any effect


    Which privileges would you remove from gay marriages?

    Having sex with sex of your preference is one thing, another thing is promiscuity which often seems to go and in hand with being gay, – a very risky lifestyle, and gay culture where AIDS is considered a “gift” is just suicidal. I’m against gay propaganda ban, but should this lifestyle be actively encouraged… ? Most bi’s I know just fancy experimenting with sex…

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    My bet is that gifting is just as common under gays as swingers are under strait people
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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    No, none of that is not correct.

    There is no such assumption. What is a fact is that homosexuality is a continuum, not a set of discrete sets. E.g., bisexuals. In fact they (and homos who say they are gay but are in fact bi) are more dangerous than ordinary homosexuals because they spread STD's to women and the general population. So it is patently in society's interests to minimize their proclivities via various disincentives e.g. by making it clear that it views male-on-male sex as a deviance or at least as "uncool" by measures such as forbidding gay pride marches (which are more about public debauchery than rights nowadays anyway) and propagandizing of the gay lifestyle to children in schools. (And not banning parents from trying to fix their child's sexual orientation).

    As regards "discrimination", well, I guess it's all relative. I certainly don't think it should be illegalized. I am not even against gay civil unions albeit with fewer privileges than traditional marriages. Certainly that would qualify me as fairly liberal by Russian standards, or for that matter, American 1970's standards.

    Also while you're allowed to insult me on Mark's Facebook that does not apply here (see Rule 1). This is your first and last warning.

    You are right that sexuality is a continuum but it does have to very distict poles were most humans are. They or highly perfer women or they highly perfer man. In fact most bi’s i know are just gays who don’t want to admit that they are gay.
    A society in which is less of a taboo on homesexuality is also a society in which there are less gays sleeping with women.

    Having sex with the sex of your preference is somewhat high on the list of needs. Making them “uncool” with public hanging like they do in Iran doesn’t seem to work so i doubt that forbidding gay pride marches will have any effect

    Which privileges would you remove from gay marriages?

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    Having sex with sex of your preference is one thing, another thing is promiscuity which often seems to go and in hand with being gay, - a very risky lifestyle, and gay culture where AIDS is considered a "gift" is just suicidal. I'm against gay propaganda ban, but should this lifestyle be actively encouraged... ? Most bi's I know just fancy experimenting with sex...
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Which privileges would you remove from gay marriages?

    Various financial bonuses which are designed in view of a marriage's traditional function i.e. to provide a nest for children.

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  • @Proud Homo
    Let's take your reasoning further. Which country has the highest HIV rate among non-Sub-Saharan African countries? Which country is the #1 producer of child porn? In which country the life expectancy for men is something like 20 years lower than in other industrialized countries? We all know the answer, so what should we say about your other blog?

    You can say whatever you want, but I don’t see how any of this is particularly germane to the points I raised here.

    Anyway as regards Russia the vast majority of new HIV infections are from intravenous drug use, with the remainder coming from fucking said IDUs (a fairly recent development). No need to add male-on-male transmission to the mix.

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    No, what I meant was that if homosexual lifestyle (if it is such) is more prone to HIV-infections, early death and sexual child abuse, then, according to your argumentation, it is okay to have laws that ban propraganda of that lifestyle.

    According to statistics, lifestyle in Putin's Russia causes much more HIV, child pornography and early death than practically any other lifestyle. Shouldn't we then ban all propaganda that promotes such lifestyle? Like your blog Da Russophile?

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  • @Anonymous
    This assumes that homosexuality is a conscious choice, rather than a state of being (you don't chose to be heterosexual do you? You just are). Promotion of homosexual equality is what you are talking about - you want an excuse to discriminate against them because they are gay...

    Dick.

    No, none of that is not correct.

    There is no such assumption. What is a fact is that homosexuality is a continuum, not a set of discrete sets. E.g., bisexuals. In fact they (and homos who say they are gay but are in fact bi) are more dangerous than ordinary homosexuals because they spread STD’s to women and the general population. So it is patently in society’s interests to minimize their proclivities via various disincentives e.g. by making it clear that it views male-on-male sex as a deviance or at least as “uncool” by measures such as forbidding gay pride marches (which are more about public debauchery than rights nowadays anyway) and propagandizing of the gay lifestyle to children in schools. (And not banning parents from trying to fix their child’s sexual orientation).

    As regards “discrimination”, well, I guess it’s all relative. I certainly don’t think it should be illegalized. I am not even against gay civil unions albeit with fewer privileges than traditional marriages. Certainly that would qualify me as fairly liberal by Russian standards, or for that matter, American 1970′s standards.

    Also while you’re allowed to insult me on Mark’s Facebook that does not apply here (see Rule 1). This is your first and last warning.

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    You are right that sexuality is a continuum but it does have to very distict poles were most humans are. They or highly perfer women or they highly perfer man. In fact most bi's i know are just gays who don't want to admit that they are gay.
    A society in which is less of a taboo on homesexuality is also a society in which there are less gays sleeping with women.


    Having sex with the sex of your preference is somewhat high on the list of needs. Making them "uncool" with public hanging like they do in Iran doesn't seem to work so i doubt that forbidding gay pride marches will have any effect


    Which privileges would you remove from gay marriages?

    , @Jen
    AK: Another option is to target bisexual people and their behaviour and thinking through doctors or hospitals rather than homosexual culture itself. A lot of bisexual people don't think of themselves as gay, especially if they're the "dominant" partner in a homosexual relationship.

    It might be better also to distinguish sexual practices such as anal sex which in itself isn't homosexual - I believe some ancient societies favoured anal sex as a form of birth control - and target those instead, either by emphasising protection and hygiene, substituting a safer practice or making that practice illegal if one of the partners is under-age or does not give consent. At some stage in the past a lot of what we call male-on-male sex was practised in heterosexual cultures, if not within marriage, then certainly in prostitute-client encounters.

    The problem in talking about "gay culture" or "gay lifestyles" is that everyone has different ideas of what those mean and there's no clear boundary between what's gay and what's not; it depends very much on the cultural context in which the issue arises. In some countries, certain occupations or activities might be stigmatised as gay: even playing piano, practising ballet or certain other styles of dancing can be seen as gay. In some societies, people can't even conceive that some people might prefer the company of their own sex.

    Also I wonder if the ban on promoting gay lifestyles to children in Russia might have something to do with suspicion of Western identity politics and a fear that LBGT groups in Russia might be infiltrated by people or organisations outside the country with an anti-Putin agenda.

    , @AP
    Living in the Bay area and posting this - very brave of you!

    Research all suggests that sexual orientation in males is basically biological in nature; thus homosexuality is not the choice of perverse individuals but something innate, like a birth defect (there is less evidence for this for females, although the AIDS promiscuity problems are mostly male homosexual problems). It probably has something to do with testosterone level during pregnancy, making it a congenital birth defect (I do not mean to use this term pejoratively). Treating homosexuals as morally perverse monsters because of their sexual orientation is akin to treating the mentally ill as demon-possessed evil people - backward and inhumane.

    Probably anything that channels homosexuals into healthier behavior patterns, such as acceptance (which cuts down on closeted gays giving AIDS to their wives), and marriage (which discourages promiscuity), is a good thing. Moreover it seems cruel to deny people the right to marry with all of its benefits simply because of something that was not their choice.

    That being said, under certain conditions biological gays may live heterosexual lifestyles, just as, in prisons, or in ancient Greece, or in other cultures or subcultures biological straights engage in homosexual behavior. People may transcend their biological nature and behave differently than in the way they are wired to behave. It's a difference between people and animals. So an argument can be made that aggressive promotion of homosexuality may be harmful, given the difficulties faced by people with gay orientations, if such promotion results in a few more people living gay lifestyles. But tolerance, marriage equality, laws against discrimination don't fall into the category of aggressive promotion or propaganda.

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  • @AM
    This is about sexual lifestyle of many partners and the fact that anal intercourse is more traumatic, hence more likely to transmit the virus, than vaginal intercourse.
    I wonder how is it with lesbians, is it a risky lifestyle for a woman or actually, a safer one than heterosexuality?

    I don't like Russian gay propaganda ban. Imo banning homosexual propaganda = making homosexual feel unwelcome and the society hostile towards them, will put Russian gay teenagers at risk of suicide.

    In terms of AIDS, probably safer, I assume. Of course unlike with gays there are very, very few “true” lesbians.

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  • Let’s take your reasoning further. Which country has the highest HIV rate among non-Sub-Saharan African countries? Which country is the #1 producer of child porn? In which country the life expectancy for men is something like 20 years lower than in other industrialized countries? We all know the answer, so what should we say about your other blog?

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    You can say whatever you want, but I don't see how any of this is particularly germane to the points I raised here.

    Anyway as regards Russia the vast majority of new HIV infections are from intravenous drug use, with the remainder coming from fucking said IDUs (a fairly recent development). No need to add male-on-male transmission to the mix.

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  • This assumes that homosexuality is a conscious choice, rather than a state of being (you don’t chose to be heterosexual do you? You just are). Promotion of homosexual equality is what you are talking about – you want an excuse to discriminate against them because they are gay…

    Dick.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    No, none of that is not correct.

    There is no such assumption. What is a fact is that homosexuality is a continuum, not a set of discrete sets. E.g., bisexuals. In fact they (and homos who say they are gay but are in fact bi) are more dangerous than ordinary homosexuals because they spread STD's to women and the general population. So it is patently in society's interests to minimize their proclivities via various disincentives e.g. by making it clear that it views male-on-male sex as a deviance or at least as "uncool" by measures such as forbidding gay pride marches (which are more about public debauchery than rights nowadays anyway) and propagandizing of the gay lifestyle to children in schools. (And not banning parents from trying to fix their child's sexual orientation).

    As regards "discrimination", well, I guess it's all relative. I certainly don't think it should be illegalized. I am not even against gay civil unions albeit with fewer privileges than traditional marriages. Certainly that would qualify me as fairly liberal by Russian standards, or for that matter, American 1970's standards.

    Also while you're allowed to insult me on Mark's Facebook that does not apply here (see Rule 1). This is your first and last warning.

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  • This is about sexual lifestyle of many partners and the fact that anal intercourse is more traumatic, hence more likely to transmit the virus, than vaginal intercourse.
    I wonder how is it with lesbians, is it a risky lifestyle for a woman or actually, a safer one than heterosexuality?

    I don’t like Russian gay propaganda ban. Imo banning homosexual propaganda = making homosexual feel unwelcome and the society hostile towards them, will put Russian gay teenagers at risk of suicide.

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    In terms of AIDS, probably safer, I assume. Of course unlike with gays there are very, very few "true" lesbians.
    , @Ukrainian_maniac
    LOL good I hope all the gay teenagers in Russia off themselves, Russia has too many perverts as it is
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  • I am all for respecting each country’s sovereignty but I am not convinced these particular arguments hold up:
    1) As with drugs or prostitution, acceptance of and formalization/equality of gay relationships makes the dangers of an “prohibited” existence less likely. This applies both to pedophilia-repression (I am convinced there is an extremely strong relationship between priesthoods’ chastity vows/homophobia and their pedophilia) and health risks (here the analogy with drugs is very strong).

    2) There’s an assumption here that if something is socially repressed it will somehow be lesser or go away. Homosexuality has and always will exist. It is less visible in rural and conservative societies, but it crops up everywhere as soon as you urbanize (e.g. that like-minded people have a chance to get together). This being the case I would rather recognize this reality and create structures and openness to manage it, rather than repress it. I have seen no compelling evidence that homosexuality is “nurtured” into individuals by progressive attitudes. This is in addition to the argument for individual happiness, which I also find compelling.

    This isn’t to say that all countries should be expected to have the same attitudes as “progressive” countries. On the contrary, each must develop at its own pace and in line with itself. This being said, I see nothing whatsoever showing that the total-equality states (Argentina, Canada, Spain, South Africa..) have any particular problems because of this (if anything I expect well-being to be greater than in repressive states). Life in Belgium, where I live and it is legal, continues as perfectly normal. In fact, I believe this is in line with the general motion of history towards well-being and happiness and I am personally quite proud that France will shortly be joining the vanguard.

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    South Africa is not a total equality state it is a black supremacist 3rd world shit hole where whites are discriminated against, raped, killed, robbed, everyday and the government supports this
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  • From the leftwing Independent in Britain, we see the admission from the World Health Organization that the Great and the Good have been, well, lying to us about AIDS for a quarter of a century: Threat of world Aids pandemic among heterosexuals is over, report admits A 25-year health campaign was misplaced outside the continent...
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    Someone asked: "I wonder if the African-American 'down-low' subculture could turn out to have roots in Africa?"

    Yes, that's it exactly. I've often thought a better term than "homosexual" would be "hypersexual." If a man can get past the initial disgust at sex with another man, he can have as much sex as he likes. Unlike women, who are inclined to say "no," there's no shortage of men willing to say "yes."

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Someone asked: "I wonder if the African-American 'down-low' subculture could turn out to have roots in Africa?"

    Yes, that's it exactly. I've often thought a better term than "homosexual" would be "hypersexual." If a man can get past the initial disgust at sex with another man, he can have as much sex as he likes. Unlike women, who are inclined to say "no," there's no shortage of men willing to say "yes."

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  • This post tries to debunk some popular, but misguided, views on demographic trends in today's Russia. These consist of the perception that Russia is in a demographic "death spiral" that dooms it to national decline (Biden, Eberstadt, NIC, CIA, Stratfor, etc). Some extreme pessimists even predict that ethnic Russians - ravaged by AIDS, infertility and...
  • @Jen
    Dear Emilia,

    You have to visit www.perepis-2010.ru. I can't read Russian so I don't know which databases covered those 6 million people and where they live. The Wikipedia article assumes those 6 million are like the rest of Russia's population who did declare their ethnic origin so if ethnic Russians make up 81% of the country's population, then 81% of 6 million would be 4, 860,000.

    To put the figure of 6 million into some context, Moscow Federal City's population in the 2010 census was just over 11.5 million. Tatars numbered over 5.3 million and the total number of people listed as speakers of Caucasian and Kartvelian languages (including Chechens, Ingush, Georgians and Cherkess) was just over 5.1 million. You can check the Wikipedia article at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

    Dear Emilia,

    I see what you mean. In some administrative regions of Russia, ethnic Russians are less than 60% of the population and these areas are usually the “homelands”, for want of a better term, by the ethnic minorities that live there.

    I’ve had another look at the Demographics in Russia article on Wikipedia as the information there is based on the 2010 census and it shows that Buryats and Kalmyks together number 644,761 (0.47% of the total population of Russia). Tuvans and other Altay peoples who may be Buddhists total 338,172. So the total number of people likely to be Buddhist in 2010 was 982,933.

    That’s a small number of people trying to mount a demographic attack to make Buddhism a majority religion in Siberia and the Russian Far East. Even if they tried, they’d probably not want to migrate far from where they currently live and maintain their traditions. They’d be more likely to move around Russia as guest workers on projects and send money home to their families. So Lamaist (Tibetan-style) Buddhism may become the dominant religion in Buryatia, Kalmykia, the Altay republic and the Tuva republic but nowhere else in Siberia and the Russian Far East.

    I did find on some websites while Googling that more people in the Altay republic are converting to Buddhism but whether that’s because of migration of Buddhists from neighbouring areas, native Altay people nominating Buddhism as their religion out of pride or because that’s what they’d been told to do by family or friends, or even ethnic Russians and others converting to Buddhism, is hard to say. One problem is that people’s religious loyalties are complicated and can combine beliefs and rituals from different and contradictory religions and idelogies, and this could be the situation in parts of Siberia and the Russian Far East where Buddhism and Russian Orthodoxy are recent arrivals and overlay and incorporate native shamanism.

    Incidentally I found that Yakuts also have higher fertility rates than ethnic Russians do in their region (Sakha republic) and they are mostly Russian Orthodox with maybe some shamanist beliefs.

    Here is a map I found on Wikipedia showing percentages of people identifying as ethnic Russians in the various regions in the 2002 census:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ethnic_Russians_by_Region.png.

    It would be interesting to see if the 2010 census results show much change.

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  • @Jen
    Dear Emilia,

    You have to visit www.perepis-2010.ru. I can't read Russian so I don't know which databases covered those 6 million people and where they live. The Wikipedia article assumes those 6 million are like the rest of Russia's population who did declare their ethnic origin so if ethnic Russians make up 81% of the country's population, then 81% of 6 million would be 4, 860,000.

    To put the figure of 6 million into some context, Moscow Federal City's population in the 2010 census was just over 11.5 million. Tatars numbered over 5.3 million and the total number of people listed as speakers of Caucasian and Kartvelian languages (including Chechens, Ingush, Georgians and Cherkess) was just over 5.1 million. You can check the Wikipedia article at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

    yes i know but i mean about buddhist demography-family sizes-because they have more children than ethnic russian in siberia region and the far east and maybe became majority after many years-thank you jen.

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  • @Jen
    Dear Emilia,

    You have to visit www.perepis-2010.ru. I can't read Russian so I don't know which databases covered those 6 million people and where they live. The Wikipedia article assumes those 6 million are like the rest of Russia's population who did declare their ethnic origin so if ethnic Russians make up 81% of the country's population, then 81% of 6 million would be 4, 860,000.

    To put the figure of 6 million into some context, Moscow Federal City's population in the 2010 census was just over 11.5 million. Tatars numbered over 5.3 million and the total number of people listed as speakers of Caucasian and Kartvelian languages (including Chechens, Ingush, Georgians and Cherkess) was just over 5.1 million. You can check the Wikipedia article at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

    Dear Emilia,

    In Western countries, Buddhism has a reputation as a peaceful religion based on meditation. It’s not seen as a religion that encourages terrorism or violence. However some of the most violent and repressive countries in the world have or have had Buddhism as a majority religion. I’m thinking mainly of Sri Lanka and Myanmar / Burma in this respect.

    I believe the kind of Buddhism practised by Buryats, Kalmyks, Khakass and Tuvinians is similar to what Mongols and Tibetans practise. There may be elements of native shamanism in their Buddhism. I have a CD of Tuvinian music which includes throat-singing and this probably draws on Buddhist-shamanist beliefs.

    For over 60 years, Tibetan Buddhists had a non-violent approach to dealing with the Chinese government in Tibet but from time to time I see and hear rumours that some Tibetans are considering the use of violent protest against Chinese policies in Tibet. The Dalai Lama’s influence might not be as strong as it used to be or perhaps we Westerners delude ourselves about how influential he is among his own people.

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  • @Jen
    Dear Emilia,

    You have to visit www.perepis-2010.ru. I can't read Russian so I don't know which databases covered those 6 million people and where they live. The Wikipedia article assumes those 6 million are like the rest of Russia's population who did declare their ethnic origin so if ethnic Russians make up 81% of the country's population, then 81% of 6 million would be 4, 860,000.

    To put the figure of 6 million into some context, Moscow Federal City's population in the 2010 census was just over 11.5 million. Tatars numbered over 5.3 million and the total number of people listed as speakers of Caucasian and Kartvelian languages (including Chechens, Ingush, Georgians and Cherkess) was just over 5.1 million. You can check the Wikipedia article at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

    hello, jen you are right, but i want to know if the buddhist people like the buryats, tuvinians,altays is the same like muslims or not, thank you very much about your help.

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  • @Jen
    Dear Emilia,

    You have to visit www.perepis-2010.ru. I can't read Russian so I don't know which databases covered those 6 million people and where they live. The Wikipedia article assumes those 6 million are like the rest of Russia's population who did declare their ethnic origin so if ethnic Russians make up 81% of the country's population, then 81% of 6 million would be 4, 860,000.

    To put the figure of 6 million into some context, Moscow Federal City's population in the 2010 census was just over 11.5 million. Tatars numbered over 5.3 million and the total number of people listed as speakers of Caucasian and Kartvelian languages (including Chechens, Ingush, Georgians and Cherkess) was just over 5.1 million. You can check the Wikipedia article at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

    I doubt very much that Russia will have a Muslim majority by 2050. The largest Muslim groups are Tatars and Bashkirs and they’re quite small numerically (5.3 million and 1.58 million respectively as of 2010). I believe they’re mostly secular and have a history of social and cultural progressiveness. They seem well integrated into Russian society and Tatarstan is a highly industrialised region.

    You should read AK’s main post above and follow the links about the Muslim community in Russia. Muslim populations are too low to be a threat and not all people who profess Islam as their religion are religious.

    If you are concerned about family sizes, you should look at the example of Iran: 30 years ago, Iranian women had an average of 6.5 children per woman, in 2010 the average was down to less than 2 children per woman. Other Muslim countries that have recorded decreases in the fertility rate are Algeria, Kuwait, Morocco, Tunisia and United Arab Emirates as of 2009. Where economic conditions are good, Muslims are as keen as Christians to have small families.

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  • @Jen
    Dear Emilia,

    You have to visit www.perepis-2010.ru. I can't read Russian so I don't know which databases covered those 6 million people and where they live. The Wikipedia article assumes those 6 million are like the rest of Russia's population who did declare their ethnic origin so if ethnic Russians make up 81% of the country's population, then 81% of 6 million would be 4, 860,000.

    To put the figure of 6 million into some context, Moscow Federal City's population in the 2010 census was just over 11.5 million. Tatars numbered over 5.3 million and the total number of people listed as speakers of Caucasian and Kartvelian languages (including Chechens, Ingush, Georgians and Cherkess) was just over 5.1 million. You can check the Wikipedia article at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

    Only if you consider Russian Orthodox to be Muslims. Which from a Buddhist point-of-view isn’t that far fetched

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  • @Jen
    Dear Emilia,

    You have to visit www.perepis-2010.ru. I can't read Russian so I don't know which databases covered those 6 million people and where they live. The Wikipedia article assumes those 6 million are like the rest of Russia's population who did declare their ethnic origin so if ethnic Russians make up 81% of the country's population, then 81% of 6 million would be 4, 860,000.

    To put the figure of 6 million into some context, Moscow Federal City's population in the 2010 census was just over 11.5 million. Tatars numbered over 5.3 million and the total number of people listed as speakers of Caucasian and Kartvelian languages (including Chechens, Ingush, Georgians and Cherkess) was just over 5.1 million. You can check the Wikipedia article at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

    many people say-russia became a muslim state by the year 2050, are this is true? thanks.

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  • @emilia
    hello jen, how you know there are russians and exactly 4800000, i want the site please thank you a lot.

    Dear Emilia,

    You have to visit http://www.perepis-2010.ru. I can’t read Russian so I don’t know which databases covered those 6 million people and where they live. The Wikipedia article assumes those 6 million are like the rest of Russia’s population who did declare their ethnic origin so if ethnic Russians make up 81% of the country’s population, then 81% of 6 million would be 4, 860,000.

    To put the figure of 6 million into some context, Moscow Federal City’s population in the 2010 census was just over 11.5 million. Tatars numbered over 5.3 million and the total number of people listed as speakers of Caucasian and Kartvelian languages (including Chechens, Ingush, Georgians and Cherkess) was just over 5.1 million. You can check the Wikipedia article at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

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    many people say-russia became a muslim state by the year 2050, are this is true? thanks.
    , @charly
    Only if you consider Russian Orthodox to be Muslims. Which from a Buddhist point-of-view isn't that far fetched
    , @Jen
    I doubt very much that Russia will have a Muslim majority by 2050. The largest Muslim groups are Tatars and Bashkirs and they're quite small numerically (5.3 million and 1.58 million respectively as of 2010). I believe they're mostly secular and have a history of social and cultural progressiveness. They seem well integrated into Russian society and Tatarstan is a highly industrialised region.

    You should read AK's main post above and follow the links about the Muslim community in Russia. Muslim populations are too low to be a threat and not all people who profess Islam as their religion are religious.

    If you are concerned about family sizes, you should look at the example of Iran: 30 years ago, Iranian women had an average of 6.5 children per woman, in 2010 the average was down to less than 2 children per woman. Other Muslim countries that have recorded decreases in the fertility rate are Algeria, Kuwait, Morocco, Tunisia and United Arab Emirates as of 2009. Where economic conditions are good, Muslims are as keen as Christians to have small families.

    , @emilia
    hello, jen you are right, but i want to know if the buddhist people like the buryats, tuvinians,altays is the same like muslims or not, thank you very much about your help.
    , @Jen
    Dear Emilia,

    In Western countries, Buddhism has a reputation as a peaceful religion based on meditation. It's not seen as a religion that encourages terrorism or violence. However some of the most violent and repressive countries in the world have or have had Buddhism as a majority religion. I'm thinking mainly of Sri Lanka and Myanmar / Burma in this respect.

    I believe the kind of Buddhism practised by Buryats, Kalmyks, Khakass and Tuvinians is similar to what Mongols and Tibetans practise. There may be elements of native shamanism in their Buddhism. I have a CD of Tuvinian music which includes throat-singing and this probably draws on Buddhist-shamanist beliefs.

    For over 60 years, Tibetan Buddhists had a non-violent approach to dealing with the Chinese government in Tibet but from time to time I see and hear rumours that some Tibetans are considering the use of violent protest against Chinese policies in Tibet. The Dalai Lama's influence might not be as strong as it used to be or perhaps we Westerners delude ourselves about how influential he is among his own people.

    , @emilia
    yes i know but i mean about buddhist demography-family sizes-because they have more children than ethnic russian in siberia region and the far east and maybe became majority after many years-thank you jen.
    , @Jen
    Dear Emilia,

    I see what you mean. In some administrative regions of Russia, ethnic Russians are less than 60% of the population and these areas are usually the "homelands", for want of a better term, by the ethnic minorities that live there.

    I've had another look at the Demographics in Russia article on Wikipedia as the information there is based on the 2010 census and it shows that Buryats and Kalmyks together number 644,761 (0.47% of the total population of Russia). Tuvans and other Altay peoples who may be Buddhists total 338,172. So the total number of people likely to be Buddhist in 2010 was 982,933.

    That's a small number of people trying to mount a demographic attack to make Buddhism a majority religion in Siberia and the Russian Far East. Even if they tried, they'd probably not want to migrate far from where they currently live and maintain their traditions. They'd be more likely to move around Russia as guest workers on projects and send money home to their families. So Lamaist (Tibetan-style) Buddhism may become the dominant religion in Buryatia, Kalmykia, the Altay republic and the Tuva republic but nowhere else in Siberia and the Russian Far East.

    I did find on some websites while Googling that more people in the Altay republic are converting to Buddhism but whether that's because of migration of Buddhists from neighbouring areas, native Altay people nominating Buddhism as their religion out of pride or because that's what they'd been told to do by family or friends, or even ethnic Russians and others converting to Buddhism, is hard to say. One problem is that people's religious loyalties are complicated and can combine beliefs and rituals from different and contradictory religions and idelogies, and this could be the situation in parts of Siberia and the Russian Far East where Buddhism and Russian Orthodoxy are recent arrivals and overlay and incorporate native shamanism.

    Incidentally I found that Yakuts also have higher fertility rates than ethnic Russians do in their region (Sakha republic) and they are mostly Russian Orthodox with maybe some shamanist beliefs.

    Here is a map I found on Wikipedia showing percentages of people identifying as ethnic Russians in the various regions in the 2002 census:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ethnic_Russians_by_Region.png.

    It would be interesting to see if the 2010 census results show much change.

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  • @Jen
    Dear Emilia,

    If you refer to the Wikipedia article "Demographics of Russia", you'll see these two paragraphs:

    " ... According to the 2010 census, ethnic Russians make up 81% of the total population, while six other ethnicities have a population exceeding 1 million – Tatars (3.9%), Ukrainians (1.4%), Bashkir (1.1%), Chuvash (1%), Chechens (1%) and Armenians (0.9%). In total, 160 different ethnic groups and indigenous peoples live within the Russian federation's borders.

    It is important to note that in the 2010 Census, almost 6 million people (about 4% of the overall population.) did not declare any ethnic origin, compared to about 1 million in the 2002 Census. This is due to the fact that those people were counted from administrative databases and not directly, and were therefore unable to state their ethnicity. Therefore, the percentages mentioned above are taken from the total population that declared their ethnicity, given that the non-declared remainder is thought to have an ethnic composition similar to the declared segment ..."

    If we assume the non-declared remainder is of similar ethnic make-up as the declared population, then just over 4,800,000 of the non-declared group is ethnic Russian. The Wikipedia information quoted comes from www.perepis-2010.ru. I don't read Russian but if you do, you can visit the website and see if the administrative databases that the information is taken from are named. You may be able to find out which areas of Russia were covered by the databases and what the ethnic make-up of those areas is, in case you have doubts.

    hello jen, how you know there are russians and exactly 4800000, i want the site please thank you a lot.

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    • Replies: @Jen
    Dear Emilia,

    You have to visit www.perepis-2010.ru. I can't read Russian so I don't know which databases covered those 6 million people and where they live. The Wikipedia article assumes those 6 million are like the rest of Russia's population who did declare their ethnic origin so if ethnic Russians make up 81% of the country's population, then 81% of 6 million would be 4, 860,000.

    To put the figure of 6 million into some context, Moscow Federal City's population in the 2010 census was just over 11.5 million. Tatars numbered over 5.3 million and the total number of people listed as speakers of Caucasian and Kartvelian languages (including Chechens, Ingush, Georgians and Cherkess) was just over 5.1 million. You can check the Wikipedia article at this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia

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  • Is Polygamy helping boost Russia’s demographic population?

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  • @emilia
    hello, in 2010 russian census there are around 6 million people dose not declare their own ethnicity, who is these people? are they ethnic russians? thank you.

    Dear Emilia,

    If you refer to the Wikipedia article “Demographics of Russia”, you’ll see these two paragraphs:

    ” … According to the 2010 census, ethnic Russians make up 81% of the total population, while six other ethnicities have a population exceeding 1 million – Tatars (3.9%), Ukrainians (1.4%), Bashkir (1.1%), Chuvash (1%), Chechens (1%) and Armenians (0.9%). In total, 160 different ethnic groups and indigenous peoples live within the Russian federation’s borders.

    It is important to note that in the 2010 Census, almost 6 million people (about 4% of the overall population.) did not declare any ethnic origin, compared to about 1 million in the 2002 Census. This is due to the fact that those people were counted from administrative databases and not directly, and were therefore unable to state their ethnicity. Therefore, the percentages mentioned above are taken from the total population that declared their ethnicity, given that the non-declared remainder is thought to have an ethnic composition similar to the declared segment …”

    If we assume the non-declared remainder is of similar ethnic make-up as the declared population, then just over 4,800,000 of the non-declared group is ethnic Russian. The Wikipedia information quoted comes from http://www.perepis-2010.ru. I don’t read Russian but if you do, you can visit the website and see if the administrative databases that the information is taken from are named. You may be able to find out which areas of Russia were covered by the databases and what the ethnic make-up of those areas is, in case you have doubts.

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    hello jen, how you know there are russians and exactly 4800000, i want the site please thank you a lot.
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  • @Anatoly Karlin
    For better or worse, the vast majority of Russians (and Americans etc) think that "colour and religion" do matter. And in the real world, the rules of the game tend to be set by majorities.

    In more practical terms, it is simply much easier to integrate peoples of your own or similar cultural background so that they "pay pension contributions and taxes".

    hello, in 2010 russian census there are around 6 million people dose not declare their own ethnicity, who is these people? are they ethnic russians? thank you.

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    Dear Emilia,

    If you refer to the Wikipedia article "Demographics of Russia", you'll see these two paragraphs:

    " ... According to the 2010 census, ethnic Russians make up 81% of the total population, while six other ethnicities have a population exceeding 1 million – Tatars (3.9%), Ukrainians (1.4%), Bashkir (1.1%), Chuvash (1%), Chechens (1%) and Armenians (0.9%). In total, 160 different ethnic groups and indigenous peoples live within the Russian federation's borders.

    It is important to note that in the 2010 Census, almost 6 million people (about 4% of the overall population.) did not declare any ethnic origin, compared to about 1 million in the 2002 Census. This is due to the fact that those people were counted from administrative databases and not directly, and were therefore unable to state their ethnicity. Therefore, the percentages mentioned above are taken from the total population that declared their ethnicity, given that the non-declared remainder is thought to have an ethnic composition similar to the declared segment ..."

    If we assume the non-declared remainder is of similar ethnic make-up as the declared population, then just over 4,800,000 of the non-declared group is ethnic Russian. The Wikipedia information quoted comes from www.perepis-2010.ru. I don't read Russian but if you do, you can visit the website and see if the administrative databases that the information is taken from are named. You may be able to find out which areas of Russia were covered by the databases and what the ethnic make-up of those areas is, in case you have doubts.

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  • Steyn, Mark – America Alone: The End of the World as we Know It (2006) Category: Islam; Eurabia; humor; Rating: 3/5 Summary: The future belongs to Islam (M. Steyn) It crept up on the West silently. Even as post-historical white Europeans were busy puffing on their weed, hugging trees and chanting Kumbaya in a happy...
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  • "To the people who are complaining about having to fund AIDS research: I sympathize to a point (and I'm gay, and have people who are HIV+ whom I care about deeply!), but does this resentment attach to funding research on other self-inflicted, lifestyle-related illnesses, e.g. those caused by obesity, alcoholism, smoking, etc…?"

    Among those I've talked to, yes, it's a blanket resentment, not one specific to gays.

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    So of the four categories you list, gays are seen as the ones who have to compromise least in their pursuit of pleasure in order to safeguard their health. Not do to so–especially when the risk is so great for themselves and for others–seems pretty selfish. Which is okay–unless and until you expect others to pay for treating the conditions resulting from your selfishness.

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