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    James Baldwin, perhaps the most influential black literary figure of the last century, confessed in Notes of a Native Son that blacks feel alienated and inferior no matter where they travel in the modern world. Each black person, he mourned, is but a “stranger in their village,” a global village shaped by others—especially by whites....
  • @jakealope
    You're an uneducated racist idjit who doesn't have the capacity to understand that all cultures build off of previous cultures. You run on about gun powder yet the white men took it from China and developed muskets to rapid fire machine-guns, while the Chinese never used gunpowder in a simple cannon. Ditto with Math. Euros discovered the laws of gravity and Calculus while the Arab inbreds took the most advanced part of the Old World and its knowledge and ran it into the ground

    “all cultures build off of previous cultures.” AND CERTAIN white ones, and the Japanese, do it the best.

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  • @Truth
    It's generally white people who are interested in, take, and can afford, these flight-of-fancy trips, Sport.

    So you and your SWPL buddies say "hi" to T'Challa for me.

    https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/23/19-travelling/

    Like everyone else with “truth” in your name, you are a liar

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  • @Públius
    What racist drivel is this? But I guess reading Unz Review means being able to separate the wheat from the chafe.

    First the suggestion that technology, as a value, is exclusive to white civilization is the most laughable thing I’ve read since Mein Kampf. White civilization is largely built upon the “borrowing” of other peoples technology and reverse engineering it to an even better standard (Gunpowder from China, Mathematics from Islam, Monotheism from Egypt to give a few examples). Just because white civilization has largely directed technological development these last 200 years, doesn’t make it its property. In fact today, technology development is largely dependent on immigrant talent and this talent is seduced into working for white civilization with the capital that was stolen from their native homelands. Let’s not forget the plunder involved to fund technological development since the British stole loot from Spanish galleons (which in turn plundered American civilizations).

    But if you racist readers out there want to keep deluding yourselves into thinking that this world is yours thanks to your skin color and knowledge, by all means, continue to do so. Like all civilizations before you, hubris and even larger talent will replace you with something else. The world will keep spinning without you. Countries like China or a coalition of non white countries will eventually swallow you up.

    You’re an uneducated racist idjit who doesn’t have the capacity to understand that all cultures build off of previous cultures. You run on about gun powder yet the white men took it from China and developed muskets to rapid fire machine-guns, while the Chinese never used gunpowder in a simple cannon. Ditto with Math. Euros discovered the laws of gravity and Calculus while the Arab inbreds took the most advanced part of the Old World and its knowledge and ran it into the ground

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    "all cultures build off of previous cultures." AND CERTAIN white ones, and the Japanese, do it the best.
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  • The only advanced groid run nation in the world, Wakanda, is in a children’s comic book super hero fantasy created by whites. And they think IQ scores are cultural

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  • From their plush apartments, over groaning dinner tables, pseudo-intellectuals have the luxury of depicting squalor and sickness as idyllic, primordially peaceful and harmonious. After all, when the affluent relinquish their earthly possessions to return to the simple life, it is always with aid of sophisticated technology and the option to be air-lifted to a hospital...
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    Ciske Vo
    To pin the arrival of Europeans on the year 1652 is not entirely correct. The history of European settlement of South Africa dates back further. For example, Bartolomeu Dias anchored his ship in Mossel Bay 164 years earlier, on 3 February 1488. The local Khoi people reportedly pelted Dias’s ships with stones. Dias planted a padrao (large stone cross) in Kwaaihoek (present day Eastern Cape) on March 12th, 1488, which marked the eastern most point of Portuguese exploration of that voyage.
    Thereafter, Portuguese sailors were present at the Cape and utilised Robben island regularly. Vasco da Gama also visited the Cape in 1497. He landed further up the east coast an initiated first contact between Europeans and Bantu speakers. The mass of Africans lived further north. Bantu people are originated in modern-day Cameroon and Nigeria and migrated southward.
    Europeans continued to expand their exploration of South Africa. Table Mountain was given its name in 1503 by Antonio de Saldanha, a Portuguese admiral and explorer.

    About 150 years later, Johan Anthoniszoon “Jan” van Riebeeck arrived in 1652 again (for the second, or 3rd etc time). There already was a Dutch settlement in Cape Town, which was used as a refreshment station for passing ships.

    Before van Riebeeck arrived in 1652, the figure of ships that called at the Cape was 1071.
    This represented a rise from around 8 ships a year in the last decade of the 1500s to around 30 in a year with layovers of 2 days to 8 days by the time Van Riebeeck arrived. So hey, wait a minute. Table Bay was quite a busy port for at least four decades before van Riebeeck arrived.

    There are accounts of 20 shipwrecks full of white castaways that occurred from 1500 along the eastern coast of South Africa. Having no means of returning home, these castaways decided to settle on the coast.
    The Cape of Good Hope has been famous for more than 500 years as the ‘graveyard of ships’. Sea captains of yore also talked about another danger spot: the ‘mountains of water’ off the Wild Coast of the Eastern Cape.
    Indeed, the 3000km South African coastline has claimed perhaps 3000 vessels over the centuries, with known records dating back to the 1500s and the heyday of Portuguese navigation and conquest by sail. That’s about 1 for every kilometre of coastline.

    In fact, the Dutch colony in South Africa began in March 1647, with the shipwreck of the Dutch ship, Nieuwe Haarlem. The shipwreck victims built a small fort named “Sand Fort of the Cape of Good Hope”. About 62 men stayed nearly one year at the Cape. They guarded the supplies from the shipwreck and planted vegetables to sustain themselves. During this time, various ships stopped over in Cape Town, and recieved supplies from the Dutch shipwreck survivors, but none of the ships were homebound to the Netherlands and therefore the Dutch shipwreck survivors remained in Cape Town. Finally, after months, the arrival of a Netherlands-bound fleet of 12 ships under command of Wollebrandt Geleynsz de Jongh collected the survivors. On one of these ships was Jan van Riebeeck, who was on his way from Asia to Amsterdam. The shipped stayed in the harbour for 18 days.

    Few people know the history of Jan van Riebeeck prior to 1652. Prior to setteling in Cape Town, Jan first went to Japan, and was given charge of the company trading station in Tongkin (Vietnam). He traded in cinnamon in his own time in the evenings. He was recalled when it was discovered that he was trading for his own account. It is also mentioned that in 1650 he said that he wanted to trade fur from wild animals in South Africa with Japan. He spent 18 days in Cape Town on his way back to Amsterdam. In 1649 he got married in Schiedam, the Netherlands, whereafter he went to Greenland and then the West-Indies. It was during this time that Jan was requested to establish the Dutch colony in Cape Town, based on a report that was submitted to the Lords XVII by Leendert Jansz and Mathys Proot in 1649. They were two survivors of the shipwreck who together with others, built a temporary fort in Cape Town and planted vegetables in the fertile soil, which was used to resupply passing ships.

    Jan returned to Cape Town to improve the existing settlement and to establish a permanent colony. They departed from the Netherlands on 24 December 1651 with 220 people on 5 ships, and arrived in Cape Town on 6 April 1652 with 90 people (82 men and 8 woman). 130 people died on the way and were burried at sea. Thereafter 19 more people died during the first winter in Cape Town.

    Therefore, Jan van Riebeeck may have been the first governor of the Cape, and resonsible for establishing the first formal European settlement in South Africa, but he and the group of people traveling with him in 1652 were not the first Europeans to live in South Africa.

    Europeans had visited and some lived in South Africa since 1488.

    There were various small settlements, and as mentioned, an established colony in Cape Town in 1647. More Europeans besides the Dutch; i.e the French Huguenots, arrived in 1688. The Cape remained under Dutch rule until 1695 and again from 1803 (Treaty of Amiens) to 1806. In between, in 1795, England took control over the colony, since the Netherlands was invaded by France. The Cape was returned to the Dutch in 1802, but the English came back and defeated the Dutch in tbe battle of Blaauwberg in 1806. This period saw major developments and can be said to be the start of Cape Town as a city. The Cape was permanently taken from the Dutch in 1814 when the war between England and France ended with a treaty and pieces if real estate were exchanged. The Dutch government was too impoverished and depleted to argue, and agreed with the condition that they be allowed to continue to use the Cape for repairs and refreshments. The Great Trek of the Boers began a few years later, in 1836. As you state, diamonds and gold were discovered only in 1870′s and 1880′s, AFTER the Great Trek started. The libertarian minded Boers did not trek due to discovery of diamonds or gold, but to reclaim their freedom.

    The Boers (“Trek Boere” – distinct from “Afrikaners” who remained under Dutch and British rule) already moved inland away from Cape Town a 146 years earlier, between 1690 and 1699, to get away from the authoritarian rule of the Dutch East India Company telling farmers what to grow for what price, monopolising trade etc.

    Important to note is that the VOC had no desire for either conquest or administration of a territory in South Africa. Their interest was to insure provision of vital supplies to their shipping fleets. Therefore, to claim that the Dutch (the Boere and Afrikaners) were settlers that came to conquer land in South Africa is factually wrong. They had an interest in peaceful bartering with the local Khoikhoi people (the “Strandlopers” / Khoi San). The Castle in Capetown was only completed in 1679. That is 27 years after Jan van Riebeeck arrived, and it was years after he had left Cape Town (in May 1662 when Zacharias Wagenaar was appointed Governor of the Cape). There was no intention of conquest or aggression if the land or its people. The first Dutch-Khoi war was faught in 1659 due to a dispute over cattle where the settlers did seek refuge in the temporary fort they built. Building of the Castle started in 1666.

    The first encouters with Bantu people were only in the second half of the 18th century, i.e the 1750′s in the Somerset East area. That is 262 years after the first Europeans landed in South Africa, and more than hundred years after Cape Town settlement was established by Europeans. The first conflict encounters between British, Boers, Khoikhoi, San and Xhosas were in 1779 in the Eastern Cape in the region of the Great Fish river. The VOC established the Great Fish River as the eastern frontier border in 1778, less than a year before the first border war.

    The interaction between Europeans were fruitful and peaceful apart from the nine skirmishes on the Eastern frontier and the British-Zulu wars of the 1870′s.

    The Zulu Kingdom was founded 165 years after Jan van Riebeeck established a colony in Cape Town, when Shaka defeated the Ndwandwe in 1817.
    As King Shaka created the militaristic Zulu Kingdom in the territory between the Tugela River and Pongola River, his forces caused a wave of warfare and disruption to sweep to other peoples. This was the prelude of the Mfecane, which spread from there. The movement of peoples caused many tribes to try to dominate those in new territories, leading to widespread warfare; consolidation of other groups, such as the Matabele, the Mfengu and the Makololo; and the creation of states such as the modern Lesotho.
    Mfecane is used primarily to refer to the period when Mzilikazi, a king of the Matabele, dominated the Transvaal. During his reign, roughly from 1826 to 1836, he ordered widespread killings and devastation to remove all opposition. He reorganised the territory to establish the new Ndebele order. The death toll has never been satisfactorily determined, but the whole region became nearly depopulated. Normal estimates for the death toll range from 1 million to 2 million.
    After Shaka’s death, the Zulu Kingdom lasted only for another 50 years before it was conquered by the British.

    The Xhosa are part of the South African Nguni migration which slowly moved south from the region around the Great Lakes, displacing the original Khoisan hunter gatherers of Southern Africa. A self induced catastrophy envoloped the Xhosa in 1857 when they followed prophesying voices (Nonqawuse prophetess) and killed all their cattle (between April 1856 and June 1857) in the belief that two suns will rise and their enemies would be overthrown. Starvation followed.

    It was thereafter that gold was discovered in South Africa.

    I did some further research on this. Interesting findings.

    So we know Table Bay at the Cape was already a Port before 1652. Secondly it was already a trading and layover station.

    The Dutch dominated the numbers of ships doing lay-overs and then England followed with France, Portugal, Denmark also regularly coming to the Cape. Interestingly in the period 1610 to 1620 English ships increased to ten times the number of the previous decade. This strongly indicates why the English considered colonization at this point in time and then later opted to support local development of indigene support infrastructure.

    Just over the period 1590 until 1700 there were 2632 ships that had to call at the Cape. Before van Riebeeck arrived in 1652, the figure of ships that called at the Cape was 1071.

    Over the full span of the1600s over 1770 Dutch ships alone had called at the Cape.

    Therefore, the Dutch colony in South Africa began well before March 1647, when the Dutch ship, Nieuwe Haarlem, shipwrecked on Woodstock beach in Table Bay.

    We also know that across the Peninsula there were up to 40,000 indigene inhabitants, mainly Khoena and over the broader Western Cape up to 50,000 more, both Khoena and San, making up around 16 Khoena clan groupings and at least five San or /Xam groupings of different strengths, and the they were very rich in livestock.

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  • James Baldwin, perhaps the most influential black literary figure of the last century, confessed in Notes of a Native Son that blacks feel alienated and inferior no matter where they travel in the modern world. Each black person, he mourned, is but a “stranger in their village,” a global village shaped by others—especially by whites....
  • @Bardon Kaldian
    https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/02/08/the-particularism-of-white-morality/

    What I Learned in the Peace Corps in Africa: Trump Is Right

    Three weeks after college, I flew to Senegal, West Africa, to run a community center in a rural town. Life was placid, with no danger, except to your health. That danger was considerable, because it was, in the words of the Peace Corps doctor, “a fecalized environment.”

    In plain English: shit is everywhere.
    People defecate on the open ground, and the feces is blown with the dust – onto you, your clothes, your food, the water. He warned us the first day of training: do not even touch water. Human feces carries parasites that bore through your skin and cause organ failure.
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    Senegal was not a hellhole. Very poor people can lead happy, meaningful lives in their own cultures’ terms. But they are not our terms. The excrement is the least of it. Our basic ideas of human relations, right and wrong, are incompatible. […]

    Take something as basic as family. Family was a few hundred people, extending out to second and third cousins. All the men in one generation were called “father.” Senegalese are Muslim, with up to four wives. Girls had their clitorises cut off at puberty. (I witnessed this, at what I thought was going to be a nice coming-of-age ceremony, like a bat mitzvah or confirmation.) Sex, I was told, did not include kissing. Love and friendship in marriage were Western ideas. Fidelity was not a thing. Married women would have sex for a few cents to have cash for the market.
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    The Ten Commandments were not disobeyed – they were unknown.
    The value system was the exact opposite. You were supposed to steal everything you can to give to your own relatives. There are some Westernized Africans who try to rebel against the system. They fail.
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    I was a Peace Corps Volunteer in Ghana. I could not agree with this post more, except perhaps that the situation is worse than described.

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  • If you go back 10,000 years ago white people didn’t even exist. Whiteness is a result of a mutation that happened around 8000 years ago. Just some science for you to think about.

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  • I always find it very interesting that a group of people that believe that they are so superior finds it so necessary to concern themselves with what another group, that they feel is so inferior to them, thinks about. Much of what people think about themselves, and the group that they associate themselves with, is based on myth even more than it is based on reality.

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  • So Wakanda is a closed single race society (think the Nazis or Trump and his border wall) and are technologically superior because they found a majic metal. Are we being led to believe that the only way for a black society to excel is through the discovery of something majical that they exclusively own and by emulating the actions of racist leaders? I really hope not.

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  • So you and your SWPL buddies say “hi” to T’Challa for me.

    You can count on me, truther. But I’ll at least get you a souvenir, say, a Wakandan lip plate?

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  • @KenH
    Some time ago I told you blacks would walk out of the theater believing Wakanda was real. Looks like that time has come:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/03/14/searches-for-hotels-in-fictional-country-wakanda-rise-620-following-black-panther-release/

    It’s generally white people who are interested in, take, and can afford, these flight-of-fancy trips, Sport.

    So you and your SWPL buddies say “hi” to T’Challa for me.

    https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/23/19-travelling/

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    Like everyone else with "truth" in your name, you are a liar
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  • @Truth

    Toss in “false equivalence”
     
    OK; I guess we're on the same page after all.

    Some time ago I told you blacks would walk out of the theater believing Wakanda was real. Looks like that time has come:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/03/14/searches-for-hotels-in-fictional-country-wakanda-rise-620-following-black-panther-release/

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    It's generally white people who are interested in, take, and can afford, these flight-of-fancy trips, Sport.

    So you and your SWPL buddies say "hi" to T'Challa for me.

    https://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/23/19-travelling/
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  • What racist drivel is this? But I guess reading Unz Review means being able to separate the wheat from the chafe.

    First the suggestion that technology, as a value, is exclusive to white civilization is the most laughable thing I’ve read since Mein Kampf. White civilization is largely built upon the “borrowing” of other peoples technology and reverse engineering it to an even better standard (Gunpowder from China, Mathematics from Islam, Monotheism from Egypt to give a few examples). Just because white civilization has largely directed technological development these last 200 years, doesn’t make it its property. In fact today, technology development is largely dependent on immigrant talent and this talent is seduced into working for white civilization with the capital that was stolen from their native homelands. Let’s not forget the plunder involved to fund technological development since the British stole loot from Spanish galleons (which in turn plundered American civilizations).

    But if you racist readers out there want to keep deluding yourselves into thinking that this world is yours thanks to your skin color and knowledge, by all means, continue to do so. Like all civilizations before you, hubris and even larger talent will replace you with something else. The world will keep spinning without you. Countries like China or a coalition of non white countries will eventually swallow you up.

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    You're an uneducated racist idjit who doesn't have the capacity to understand that all cultures build off of previous cultures. You run on about gun powder yet the white men took it from China and developed muskets to rapid fire machine-guns, while the Chinese never used gunpowder in a simple cannon. Ditto with Math. Euros discovered the laws of gravity and Calculus while the Arab inbreds took the most advanced part of the Old World and its knowledge and ran it into the ground
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  • Now, all those races/populations that have never managed to build large-scale civilizations will need their own versions of Wakanda.

    So, Aboriginal Australians will need their Dream Time, and Negritos will need … where, at least in fiction they can create the things they are not capable of.

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  • @Talha
    Yeah - confusing stuff. Goal pasts keep moving and it's really about how one feels about the topic since there is no consensus.

    I can easily pass for Latino, Moroccan, Persian, potentially Greek, etc. and when I was younger, I used to always check the "White" box when asked - back in the day they really didn't give you many options. Later on they started adding more options like that for Indo-Pak (I never felt comfortable checking of "Asian" because that always seemed to be associated with East-Asians).

    Slavs … if they aren’t white then who is?
     
    Well, apaarently, some people around here don't consider Circassian children that look like this to be White either - so I have no clue:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Circassian_children.jpg

    I mean, it's not a super-high priority for me (I don't care what racial category people put me in); I already have a well-defined prioritized in-group/out-group on multiple levels. But for the people who consider this the most important thing in discourse, it would be nice if there were parameters that one could work with.

    Peace.

    Reminds me of this guy…

    “Let me tell U about what parts of the world are White…”

    http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/amerimutt-le-56-face

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  • @Anon
    In the modern US you are white if you look white (-ish) and say you are. However, it seems to be common now for people on the fringes of "whiteness" like North Africans and Lebanese and Persians (and octoroons/quadroons/so on) not to identify as white. Armenians though do seem to identify as white.

    Nobody considers Indians white though I think that was their legal status at one point (before a census category was introduced for them).

    Slavs ... if they aren't white then who is? Albinos?

    Yeah – confusing stuff. Goal pasts keep moving and it’s really about how one feels about the topic since there is no consensus.

    I can easily pass for Latino, Moroccan, Persian, potentially Greek, etc. and when I was younger, I used to always check the “White” box when asked – back in the day they really didn’t give you many options. Later on they started adding more options like that for Indo-Pak (I never felt comfortable checking of “Asian” because that always seemed to be associated with East-Asians).

    Slavs … if they aren’t white then who is?

    Well, apaarently, some people around here don’t consider Circassian children that look like this to be White either – so I have no clue:

    I mean, it’s not a super-high priority for me (I don’t care what racial category people put me in); I already have a well-defined prioritized in-group/out-group on multiple levels. But for the people who consider this the most important thing in discourse, it would be nice if there were parameters that one could work with.

    Peace.

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    Reminds me of this guy...

    "Let me tell U about what parts of the world are White..."
    http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/amerimutt-le-56-face
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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha
    Your observations tend to correlate to mine. I was really hoping someone could put this whole White/non-White thing to rest with some level of authority or finality that way we can speak about it intelligently, but mostly it seems to be amorphous as I said.

    Which means the Left is correct when they say it is a social construct; because if you have a changing goal post depending on who you ask, then it really doesn't have a fixed reality.

    I do know that historically in the US, for the purposes of anti-miscegenation laws in the South, people from Syria and Lebanon and Turkey were considered White. That at least has some legal association.

    Peace.

    In the modern US you are white if you look white (-ish) and say you are. However, it seems to be common now for people on the fringes of “whiteness” like North Africans and Lebanese and Persians (and octoroons/quadroons/so on) not to identify as white. Armenians though do seem to identify as white.

    Nobody considers Indians white though I think that was their legal status at one point (before a census category was introduced for them).

    Slavs … if they aren’t white then who is? Albinos?

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    Yeah - confusing stuff. Goal pasts keep moving and it's really about how one feels about the topic since there is no consensus.

    I can easily pass for Latino, Moroccan, Persian, potentially Greek, etc. and when I was younger, I used to always check the "White" box when asked - back in the day they really didn't give you many options. Later on they started adding more options like that for Indo-Pak (I never felt comfortable checking of "Asian" because that always seemed to be associated with East-Asians).

    Slavs … if they aren’t white then who is?
     
    Well, apaarently, some people around here don't consider Circassian children that look like this to be White either - so I have no clue:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Circassian_children.jpg

    I mean, it's not a super-high priority for me (I don't care what racial category people put me in); I already have a well-defined prioritized in-group/out-group on multiple levels. But for the people who consider this the most important thing in discourse, it would be nice if there were parameters that one could work with.

    Peace.
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  • @Iberiano
    Spaniards, unless specifically NOT white, are White. In fact, there's genetic and cultural evidence that the Celts (at least one major tribe) emigrated from what is today Asturias, Galicia and Cantabria to the British Isles, which is why they look so similar, and why so many share the same genetic fingerprints--as well as bagpipes !

    The simple standard for ANY race is, "what does person X look like" and what would most people SAY they look like? Social standing and status as well as culture can play a part (Mariah Carey would definitely be considered white in Brazil). But overall, if you are Felix Trinidad from PR, 99 percent of the world knows you are a black male, whether you are Latino or not. Just as 99 percent of the world knows Andy Garcia is white, Shakira is White/Arab, and Penelope Cruz is White/Moor. People sort by the obvious, just as while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, symmetry, hair quality, height, all that, can be a universal standard to a degree.

    People like to point out some exception, "but muh Fins have Chino eyes and white skin...but muh neighbor's Mexican with red hair". IF SOMEONE LOOKS WHITE they ARE WHITE. Not just skin, facial features, hair texture, body type, etc. Same with black or anything else. Yellow and Red exist as colors regardless of Orange in between.

    I like this line of thinking in general and it makes sense to me but many people around these parts refuse to accept that a Syrian or Circassian or Latino that has blonde hair and green eyes is White.

    It seems to be a very subjective thing. Which makes this difficult if the white nationalist people want to get anything off the ground. If one wants White to legally mean something, they have to be able to legally define it.

    Peace.

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  • @WorkingClass

    Psalm 137, entire [1] By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, and there we wept when we remembered Zion.
     
    I am not unsympathetic regarding Jews and Black Americans.

    It's virtue signaling, self hating, politically correct whites I have no use for.

    Will Mike Pence attend this movie to be booed by the audience?

    I don’t know much about bible verses but I do know the song. Go to YouTube and click on “Va Pensiero” from Nabucco. It’s the most famous chorus Verdi wrote until he wrote the Anvil Chorus in Trovatore and the Triumphal scene in Aida.

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  • @Talha
    Yo Avery,

    Yeah, that’s what’s so confusing. OK, I’m down with that; so ‘White’ means Northern and Western (minus Spanish) Europeans (what about Slavs?). So then they are the ‘White’ race and the rest of the people that look “White” are Caucasoid? That sounds reasonable enough, but is there consensus on this? I don’t mind coming up with a new race called “Off-White”. I’m just looking for something that makes things clear.

    Peace.

    Spaniards, unless specifically NOT white, are White. In fact, there’s genetic and cultural evidence that the Celts (at least one major tribe) emigrated from what is today Asturias, Galicia and Cantabria to the British Isles, which is why they look so similar, and why so many share the same genetic fingerprints–as well as bagpipes !

    The simple standard for ANY race is, “what does person X look like” and what would most people SAY they look like? Social standing and status as well as culture can play a part (Mariah Carey would definitely be considered white in Brazil). But overall, if you are Felix Trinidad from PR, 99 percent of the world knows you are a black male, whether you are Latino or not. Just as 99 percent of the world knows Andy Garcia is white, Shakira is White/Arab, and Penelope Cruz is White/Moor. People sort by the obvious, just as while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, symmetry, hair quality, height, all that, can be a universal standard to a degree.

    People like to point out some exception, “but muh Fins have Chino eyes and white skin…but muh neighbor’s Mexican with red hair”. IF SOMEONE LOOKS WHITE they ARE WHITE. Not just skin, facial features, hair texture, body type, etc. Same with black or anything else. Yellow and Red exist as colors regardless of Orange in between.

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    I like this line of thinking in general and it makes sense to me but many people around these parts refuse to accept that a Syrian or Circassian or Latino that has blonde hair and green eyes is White.

    It seems to be a very subjective thing. Which makes this difficult if the white nationalist people want to get anything off the ground. If one wants White to legally mean something, they have to be able to legally define it.

    Peace.

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  • @eah
    https://twitter.com/westland_will/status/964400890248482816

    To this I have but one reply -

    Russia! Russia! Russia!

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  • Black Panther will be a monster hit at the box office in its opening weekend [‘Black Panther’ Heading Toward Massive $170 Million-Plus Opening, by Dave McNary, Variety, February 12, 2018]. My guess is it will surpass $200 million, as black identity and Main Stream Media cheerleading are creating a formidable marketing combination [Black Panther: does...
  • @jim jones
    Blacks react after seeing the movie:

    https://vimeo.com/256245170

    Thanks for sharing this video. It’s really inspiring to see how the young African-American community has responded to the message of technological empowerment in the “Black Panther” film— clearly these yoofs are ready to tackle a STEM education now. They’re already adopting the team calisthenics used by Japanese workers, but with a vibrant twist!

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  • James Baldwin, perhaps the most influential black literary figure of the last century, confessed in Notes of a Native Son that blacks feel alienated and inferior no matter where they travel in the modern world. Each black person, he mourned, is but a “stranger in their village,” a global village shaped by others—especially by whites....
  • @Bardon Kaldian
    It is perfectly believable. But, but, but.....what could one expect from such audiences?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-bao9fg6Yc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d4mIaINKqo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB3ZaVYWRr4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Y0pk84ScQ

    It is possible for most of a country’s youth to be this dumb.

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  • @Anon
    The great irony is even as Wakanda pretends to be a Afrocentric worldview, it is utterly Eurocentric in its standards of worth.

    The West took pride in science, technology, reason, machines, and monuments.

    In contrast, blacks didn't have any of that. But still, Afrocentrists took pride in their folklore, music, rhythm, village, and colorful cultures. So, the black attitude used to be, "We don't need all that skyscrapers and airplanes to have pride in ourselves. We are still a people with a culture and heritage and community."

    But the fact is the White World still has more cool 'blings' in terms of cars, planes, buildings, and all the good stuff. So, blacks wanted that stuff. I mean, how much pride can you feel in your people's folklore if they're living in mudhuts?

    Also, even white Liberals judged everything by money, machines, science, and achievement. (If white liberals are truly culturally relativist, they shouldn't push science and technology on blacks. White liberals should say that is 'white stuff', and non-whites shouldn't be judged by whether they have science/technology or not. Instead, non-whites should be judged by the norms of their own culture. So, if black Africa didn't have great cities and just had primitive stuff, then blacks should be happy with that and not want to be like the West.) Since white liberals wanted to believe in the black promise, they exaggerated black achievement in science and technology. So, over time, blacks got to thinking that ONLY A TECHNOLOGICAL society has worth. Black lost interest in taking pride in primitive Africa of folklore and dance. They wanted to believe that blacks could have cities like London and Hong Kong. In other words, blacks can be great only by having a super-technological society like what white folks made.

    So, this Wakanda is a strange concoction. It is supposed to be about black autonomy and independence, but blacks dream and fantasize about super-technology and big cities because their minds have been colonized by the Western metric of worth. Blacks are no longer content to feel proud of being African on the basis of having spears, bongo drum, songs, and dance. Blacks want big cities, skyscrapers, and spaceships. Without such, blacks feel no pride.

    But since blacks can't make such things on their own, they fantasize about them and then, with help of Jewish globalists, argue that the reason why blacks don't have good things is because of whitey.
    In the future, Wakanda will not be made by Africans in Africa. Rather, blacks will colonize the West, and as in the musical Hamilton, the likelihood is that all the great, famous, and noble white leaders and heroes of the past will be made 'black' by fantasy. Through the iconic power of entertainment and propaganda, young children of all races will be made to see and feel that the bulk of all great men and women of Western history were black. From a young age, white children will be introduced to great historical white figures as blacks.
    So, BBC has a black Achilles. TV shows feature black Lancelot. Many great white heroes will be 'othelloed'. And white globalists, liberals, and cuckservatives will go along because Pop Culture sees blacks as the most idolic race. Idols and icons have immediate power of recognition and admiration. It's like it takes just one look to fall in love with a movie star or pop singer. In contrast, to come to are for an average person, it takes time and patience to get to know him or her.
    The effect is not instant. Romeo and Juliet fall in love with each other with just one look because they have charm and beauty. But to fall in love with a plain-faced woman or humdrum man, it takes time. The affection has to grow.

    The thing is so many whites have fallen in instant love/lust with blacks because blacks are good in exciting stuff like sports, pop music, and comedy. And white women want to imitate the bouncy black female butts and lust after the Negro dong. And white people have been totally seduced by black voice in songs and oratory. White people worship black people along with homos. Blacks are fast, and homos are flamboyant. This is why Jews see it as so essential to control and manage both groups who dominate iconic power. To control homos means to control fashion and creativity. To control Negroes means to control fastness and intensity.
    Especially in our age of electronic-amplification of images and sounds, the power of homos and Negroes are electro-colonizing all the world. They are winning the battle of high-volt icons. Because whites worship blacks, they want to believe in Wakanda, a great world made and ruled by blacks. But because blacks cannot make Wakanda, the whites will realize the fantasy via Cuckanda. In Cuckanda, whites(and Asians and Mexicans) will do most of the heavy lifting and construction and management to make things work, BUT blacks will be placed on the pedestal as the representative godhead of the hard work of others. Indeed, Obama was just a figure. He didn't do shi* all his life, BUT he was elevated as the symbol of American achievement. And HIDDEN FIGURES says three black women done it. But at least HIDDEN FIGURES is about women who did SOMETHING. The musical HAMILTON just pretends that the Founding Fathers were blacks. And BBC has all these TV shows were white historical figures are made into blacks.

    Why do whites go for such nonsense? Because they want to believe. That wanting-to-believe allows for suspension of disbelief. Look at the logic of religion. Because people want to believe, they happy to pretend that some Jewish guy name Jesus got whupped real bad but went to Heaven to reside with God even though there is no factual evidence of such. Because white people want to believe so badly that blacks are so noble, cool, and wonderful that they will happily pretend that it's much cooler to imagine that past white heroes and leaders were blacks. Blacks race has become the god of white folks, and in worship of god, people will believe anything.

    Of course, many will go on blaming whitey as the reason why blacks don't have nice things.
    But in all seriousness, the blame-whitey argument has merit only with few civilizations in Meso-America. Maybe just maybe, if whites hadn't destroyed those awesome(albeit bloody) civilizations, they MIGHT HAVE developed on their own into other great cities around the world. But such argument can't be made for blacks or North American Indians who were too primitive when white people came upon them.

    Biggest irony is Wakanda looks like a black version of Nazi Germania, the city of the future. BLACK PANTHER is really a kind of Afro-Aryanism. It's like, what if Nazis were black. Then, they would have been cool.

    Great comment. Without whitey, this computer, movies, none of the electronic world would have been created. Those no good whiteys came from Europe-they were responsible for giving us all kinds of electronic gadgets, and they gave us all kinds of medical breakthroughs.
    This denigration and hate of whitey that is ongoing in the USA is completely ridiculous and insane. None of us would be talking about any of this without the genius of the whites who have invented darn near everything that involves electricity and modern medicine.
    The mainstream media that hates us “whiteys” wouldn’t have any of their hate machines without us. Without vaccines and medicines given to the world by Europeans, that is, “whitey”, most of the haters would not have lived long enough to become spoiled , self serving brats with massive egos and a massive sense of smugness.
    These egotistical, smug, rich “stars” on late night television shows would be nothing without the very people they hate.
    The fake history movies constantly produced by Hollywood are the result of the genius of Europeans who invented just about everything, and now all these inventions are being used to denigrate “whitey”. I am very proud of “whitey”.

    I am very proud of The Unz Review and the brilliant columnists who feed my mind and allow me to learn and to see who the sneaks and scoundrels are in this world. I am proud of those calm, decent men and women who taught me how to think. I avoid the screamers, liars, and hate merchants.

    The world would have been a far duller place without whitey.

    I was always part of the lower middle class and poor whites until I got educated- thanks to whites.
    I served in Marines in late 60s- I got along well with whites and blacks and all kinds despite the Corps being a pretty miserable experience.
    I used benefits given to me by a decent government which has been slowly eroded by hate merchants over the past 20 plus years with the worst hate going on from 2008 to 2016.
    I feel that the election loss of Hilary Clinton gave goodhearted Americans of any color and especially the trampled upon whites a new lease on life.

    Anyway, appreciate column and comments.

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  • @anon
    I bet you think George Zimmerman is white.

    I don’t know; wasn’t he like half-Latino, half-Jewish or something? Opinions don’t help here – if you can point out some scientific or research study or something with substance, we’re just going to trade opinions. Look, I don’t have a good solid source that everyone can agree on, no one else around here seems to either. If you do, please point it out, it would really help move the discussion along.

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  • @anon
    My "good old lying eyes" are all I need sport. You say "plenty" (would you please put that in percentage terms?). I say few.

    And how does calling yourself 'Talha" make you any less anonymous then me?

    Well, since we can’t really agree on base terms of “White” – it is kind of irrelevant to hash numbers.

    And how does calling yourself ‘Talha” make you any less anonymous then me?

    At least you can see my previous posts to make a character judgement.

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  • @Talha

    I beg to differ.
     
    So do I, we have plenty as far as I'm concerned.

    No they are not.
     
    Says you. They are - says I.

    Nope. YOURS ARE.
     
    Really, that's where we're at now; I know you are, but what am I - while using an anonymous handle.

    Cool, listen. You have your opinion, I've got mine. Obviously we're basically trading opinions here because nobody can seem to find anything substantial on what White means other than your "good old lying eyes".

    I bet you think George Zimmerman is white.

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    I don't know; wasn't he like half-Latino, half-Jewish or something? Opinions don't help here - if you can point out some scientific or research study or something with substance, we're just going to trade opinions. Look, I don't have a good solid source that everyone can agree on, no one else around here seems to either. If you do, please point it out, it would really help move the discussion along.
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  • @Talha

    I beg to differ.
     
    So do I, we have plenty as far as I'm concerned.

    No they are not.
     
    Says you. They are - says I.

    Nope. YOURS ARE.
     
    Really, that's where we're at now; I know you are, but what am I - while using an anonymous handle.

    Cool, listen. You have your opinion, I've got mine. Obviously we're basically trading opinions here because nobody can seem to find anything substantial on what White means other than your "good old lying eyes".

    My “good old lying eyes” are all I need sport. You say “plenty” (would you please put that in percentage terms?). I say few.

    And how does calling yourself ‘Talha” make you any less anonymous then me?

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    Well, since we can't really agree on base terms of "White" - it is kind of irrelevant to hash numbers.

    And how does calling yourself ‘Talha” make you any less anonymous then me?
     
    At least you can see my previous posts to make a character judgement.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    This super insightful critique should be an article of its own.

    Agreed. It was pretty epic. And saved me a lot of typing.

    Just to emphasize, though:

    Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:

    It’s an homage to who we were, a celebration of who we are

    No, you nincompoop, it’s not remotely who you were–not for one instant in the entirety of human history, no–and it’s not remotely who you are. The one thing you appear to excel at is delusion.

    Reginald Hudlin:

    They were ahead of us a thousand years ago. And no one has colonized them, burned their books

    WTH? Books? In primitive, sub-saharan africa? What books were these? Oh, that’s right, they got burned. At least the Meso-Americans can point to Bishop Landa, who actually did these things–because the Americans actually had civilizations. Delusional.

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  • @Sollipsist
    I guess age is relative. You may consider the explicitly stated "middle aged" to be "young" if you happen to be elderly. A lot of people confuse subjective with objective, so don't be too embarrassed.

    Or you may have simply missed that detail in your rush to successfully miss the point. But kudos on semi-correctly using the word "conflating" in a sentence. Toss in "false equivalence" and something about "privilege" and your liberal arts teacher may give you a passing grade for your response.

    Toss in “false equivalence”

    OK; I guess we’re on the same page after all.

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    Some time ago I told you blacks would walk out of the theater believing Wakanda was real. Looks like that time has come:

    http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/03/14/searches-for-hotels-in-fictional-country-wakanda-rise-620-following-black-panther-release/
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  • @Miro23

    Well now, My Friend, you are conflating a young girl being confused by a low budget movie about a band with a handsome lead, with a fictional country that had bullet trains, flying people, and spaceships 500 years ago.

    If this is a fair impression of your intellect, I would guess the young lady had questions about you, as well.
     
    Why not an African country that had bullet trains, flying people and spaceships? Sounds good to some people. 500 years ago most of N.Europe believed in saints, miracles, witches, purgatory and heaven. Leading intellect Sir Isaac Newton regarded himself as chosen by God for the task of understanding Biblical scripture, and spent plenty of time interpreting and writing on the Book of Revelation.

    Yes, and now many people sit on the shore of a placid lake, and believe that they are hurdling through space at 17,000 miles an hour.

    I guess you are right.

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  • @Truth

    I can’t help wondering how a similar scene would have played out if she’d been black and the movie had been Black Panther. I might have ended up fired, in jail, in the hospital, or in the morgue.
     
    Well now, My Friend, you are conflating a young girl being confused by a low budget movie about a band with a handsome lead, with a fictional country that had bullet trains, flying people, and spaceships 500 years ago.

    If this is a fair impression of your intellect, I would guess the young lady had questions about you, as well.

    I guess age is relative. You may consider the explicitly stated “middle aged” to be “young” if you happen to be elderly. A lot of people confuse subjective with objective, so don’t be too embarrassed.

    Or you may have simply missed that detail in your rush to successfully miss the point. But kudos on semi-correctly using the word “conflating” in a sentence. Toss in “false equivalence” and something about “privilege” and your liberal arts teacher may give you a passing grade for your response.

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    Toss in “false equivalence”
     
    OK; I guess we're on the same page after all.
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  • @Truth

    I can’t help wondering how a similar scene would have played out if she’d been black and the movie had been Black Panther. I might have ended up fired, in jail, in the hospital, or in the morgue.
     
    Well now, My Friend, you are conflating a young girl being confused by a low budget movie about a band with a handsome lead, with a fictional country that had bullet trains, flying people, and spaceships 500 years ago.

    If this is a fair impression of your intellect, I would guess the young lady had questions about you, as well.

    Well now, My Friend, you are conflating a young girl being confused by a low budget movie about a band with a handsome lead, with a fictional country that had bullet trains, flying people, and spaceships 500 years ago.

    If this is a fair impression of your intellect, I would guess the young lady had questions about you, as well.

    Why not an African country that had bullet trains, flying people and spaceships? Sounds good to some people. 500 years ago most of N.Europe believed in saints, miracles, witches, purgatory and heaven. Leading intellect Sir Isaac Newton regarded himself as chosen by God for the task of understanding Biblical scripture, and spent plenty of time interpreting and writing on the Book of Revelation.

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    Yes, and now many people sit on the shore of a placid lake, and believe that they are hurdling through space at 17,000 miles an hour.

    I guess you are right.
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  • When left in charge in America, the blacks create this: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-22/its-not-just-homicides-commercial-robberies-baltimore-are-88
    “Business owners in the inner city are panicking about the threats outside their stores: drug dealing, intimidation, stabbings, and shootings… Businesses have adapted to the warzone like environment by hiring guards, installing bullet-resistant glass, door buzzer systems, and basically turning their shop into a mini-fortress. Some businesses are just shutting down, as the warzone like climate is not producing a sustainable atmosphere for a healthy economy.
    “Our members are very concerned,” said Cailey Locklair Tolle, president of the Maryland Retailers Association. “Unfortunately, a lot of our members don’t relocate. It’s a massive endeavor. A lot of times they just go out of business.”
    — Where will the new-Wacandians (the former Baltimoreans) go to eat and collect handouts when all the working people in Baltimore run away from the black rule to places with the white rule?

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  • @Sollipsist
    I don't know if any of you remember Eddie and the Cruisers, a silly little 80s movie about a fictional rock band and its "troubled genius" frontman. Blah blah blah.

    About a year after it came out, the theme song came on the radio at work and one of my co-workers told me how much she liked the Cruisers and the documentary about them. I had to break it to her that "On the Darkside" was by Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes, and the movie was pure fiction.

    She denied it, and became quite upset. I mean, one step from "little girl sobbing and stamping her feet" unhinged, and we're talking about a middle-aged woman. Granted, she wasn't especially bright, but I wouldn't say she was any more foolish or crazy than half the population.

    Once I realized her unreasonable commitment to her delusion, I backed out of the conversation as gracefully as I could. Who cares, right?

    I can't help wondering how a similar scene would have played out if she'd been black and the movie had been Black Panther. I might have ended up fired, in jail, in the hospital, or in the morgue.

    I can’t help wondering how a similar scene would have played out if she’d been black and the movie had been Black Panther. I might have ended up fired, in jail, in the hospital, or in the morgue.

    Well now, My Friend, you are conflating a young girl being confused by a low budget movie about a band with a handsome lead, with a fictional country that had bullet trains, flying people, and spaceships 500 years ago.

    If this is a fair impression of your intellect, I would guess the young lady had questions about you, as well.

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    Well now, My Friend, you are conflating a young girl being confused by a low budget movie about a band with a handsome lead, with a fictional country that had bullet trains, flying people, and spaceships 500 years ago.

    If this is a fair impression of your intellect, I would guess the young lady had questions about you, as well.
     
    Why not an African country that had bullet trains, flying people and spaceships? Sounds good to some people. 500 years ago most of N.Europe believed in saints, miracles, witches, purgatory and heaven. Leading intellect Sir Isaac Newton regarded himself as chosen by God for the task of understanding Biblical scripture, and spent plenty of time interpreting and writing on the Book of Revelation.
    , @Sollipsist
    I guess age is relative. You may consider the explicitly stated "middle aged" to be "young" if you happen to be elderly. A lot of people confuse subjective with objective, so don't be too embarrassed.

    Or you may have simply missed that detail in your rush to successfully miss the point. But kudos on semi-correctly using the word "conflating" in a sentence. Toss in "false equivalence" and something about "privilege" and your liberal arts teacher may give you a passing grade for your response.
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  • I don’t know if any of you remember Eddie and the Cruisers, a silly little 80s movie about a fictional rock band and its “troubled genius” frontman. Blah blah blah.

    About a year after it came out, the theme song came on the radio at work and one of my co-workers told me how much she liked the Cruisers and the documentary about them. I had to break it to her that “On the Darkside” was by Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes, and the movie was pure fiction.

    She denied it, and became quite upset. I mean, one step from “little girl sobbing and stamping her feet” unhinged, and we’re talking about a middle-aged woman. Granted, she wasn’t especially bright, but I wouldn’t say she was any more foolish or crazy than half the population.

    Once I realized her unreasonable commitment to her delusion, I backed out of the conversation as gracefully as I could. Who cares, right?

    I can’t help wondering how a similar scene would have played out if she’d been black and the movie had been Black Panther. I might have ended up fired, in jail, in the hospital, or in the morgue.

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    I can’t help wondering how a similar scene would have played out if she’d been black and the movie had been Black Panther. I might have ended up fired, in jail, in the hospital, or in the morgue.
     
    Well now, My Friend, you are conflating a young girl being confused by a low budget movie about a band with a handsome lead, with a fictional country that had bullet trains, flying people, and spaceships 500 years ago.

    If this is a fair impression of your intellect, I would guess the young lady had questions about you, as well.
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  • @Truth
    Technically, you can't be a member of the American Nazi Party if you are a Slav.

    Ah see – now we are talking! This is the kind of stuff I’m looking for – OK – so Slavs aren’t whites. Well, there goes my whole use of Bosnians – totally sucks!

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  • @Andrei Martyanov
    Here are the streets of Johannesburg:

    https://youtu.be/IuNYOwKlDIE

    Yesterday I also saw the streets of Pretoria:

    https://www.facebook.com/herman.j.clark/videos/10155180948328053/

    So, it is all cool. I am sure Black Panther-2 through 7 are in order.

    Practically Paris!

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  • @anon
    "My point is there are plenty of whites who are Muslims".

    I beg to differ. Only a very small proportion of them.

    "I named ethnicities that are majority Muslim".

    Actually you named only one - the Albanians. "Bosnian" is not an ethnicity, although Serbian and Croatian are.

    "Chechens are white".

    No they are not.

    "Cite a legitimate source on race"

    Where are yours? And what is "legitimate" in this politically correct cultural Marxist age?

    "..I have a different opinion".

    We all have opinions sport that is why I said I beg to differ (but you wouldn't let it go would you?). You say "plenty" when I would say very few.

    "the majority of Muslims are not white or European"

    This is your only factual comment.

    "your numbers are exaggerated"

    Nope. YOURS ARE.

    By the way sport, I use my good old lying eyes to decide if somebody is 'white' or not.

    I beg to differ.

    So do I, we have plenty as far as I’m concerned.

    No they are not.

    Says you. They are – says I.

    Nope. YOURS ARE.

    Really, that’s where we’re at now; I know you are, but what am I – while using an anonymous handle.

    Cool, listen. You have your opinion, I’ve got mine. Obviously we’re basically trading opinions here because nobody can seem to find anything substantial on what White means other than your “good old lying eyes”.

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    My "good old lying eyes" are all I need sport. You say "plenty" (would you please put that in percentage terms?). I say few.

    And how does calling yourself 'Talha" make you any less anonymous then me?
    , @anon
    I bet you think George Zimmerman is white.
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  • @Hacienda

    You’ve falsely conflated human evolutionary history with creation mythology.
     
    Well, technically and with through a touchy filter you could say that. But, then you do concede Adam and Eve are a white myth. So why then, do you give white Eden a pass, but come down so hard on black Wakanda? At least Wakandans are anti-colonialists and model conservers of the African natural world. Haven't seen the movie, but seems to me white Edenites (and Chinese) have a lot to learn from black Wakandans!

    But, then you do concede Adam and Eve are a white myth.

    I think it comes from the Assyrians from way back from the Bronze Age. Are they “white”?

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  • @Avery
    There is no consensus as far as I know: just my observation over a long period of time hearing people talk and reading stuff at various sites.

    And as far as I can tell, Anglo-Saxon 'Whites'/North Western Europeans do not consider Slavic peoples 'white': my unscientific observation is that they actually look down on Slavs as inferior.
    Nothing new: goes back centuries.

    Technically, you can’t be a member of the American Nazi Party if you are a Slav.

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    Ah see - now we are talking! This is the kind of stuff I'm looking for - OK - so Slavs aren't whites. Well, there goes my whole use of Bosnians - totally sucks!
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  • @Avery
    There is no consensus as far as I know: just my observation over a long period of time hearing people talk and reading stuff at various sites.

    And as far as I can tell, Anglo-Saxon 'Whites'/North Western Europeans do not consider Slavic peoples 'white': my unscientific observation is that they actually look down on Slavs as inferior.
    Nothing new: goes back centuries.

    Nonsense. Slavs are white and are considered so.

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Not sure what your point is.
     
    My point is; there are plenty of Whites who are Muslims - I named ethnicities who are majority Muslim.

    Chechens are neither European or white.
     
    Chechens aren't European. Chechens are White if "White" is considered a race. If they aren't please cite a legitimate source (scientific journal, research) that states which race they belong to if other than "White". In fact, do us a favor and find a nice solid legitimate source which defines the various races in clear terms of delineation. That would be a favor to us all because right now it seems pretty amorphous. If you are just citing your opinion, well I have a different opinion.

    Bosnia is a miserable little place...Albania it is a corrupt mafia-state
     
    OK - so White Muslims are capable of running miserable, corrupt mafia states. Doesn't change their genetics.

    I would say 99% of Muslims are not white.
     
    Agreed, the majority of Muslims aren't White or European - though your numbers are exaggerated.

    “My point is there are plenty of whites who are Muslims”.

    I beg to differ. Only a very small proportion of them.

    “I named ethnicities that are majority Muslim”.

    Actually you named only one – the Albanians. “Bosnian” is not an ethnicity, although Serbian and Croatian are.

    “Chechens are white”.

    No they are not.

    “Cite a legitimate source on race”

    Where are yours? And what is “legitimate” in this politically correct cultural Marxist age?

    “..I have a different opinion”.

    We all have opinions sport that is why I said I beg to differ (but you wouldn’t let it go would you?). You say “plenty” when I would say very few.

    “the majority of Muslims are not white or European”

    This is your only factual comment.

    “your numbers are exaggerated”

    Nope. YOURS ARE.

    By the way sport, I use my good old lying eyes to decide if somebody is ‘white’ or not.

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    I beg to differ.
     
    So do I, we have plenty as far as I'm concerned.

    No they are not.
     
    Says you. They are - says I.

    Nope. YOURS ARE.
     
    Really, that's where we're at now; I know you are, but what am I - while using an anonymous handle.

    Cool, listen. You have your opinion, I've got mine. Obviously we're basically trading opinions here because nobody can seem to find anything substantial on what White means other than your "good old lying eyes".
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  • @Malla
    There were Indians in the German forces too which included many muslims (which would mean ancestors of Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis). They were POWs from the British Indian Army most probably surrendered in north Africa to Erwin Rommel's Deutsches Afrikacorps. Many of them fought against the Soviets in the German Army but their fighting record was not that great.

    Adolf Hitler had promised the radical Indian freedom fighter Subhash Chandra Bose support in ending British rule in India. However the Germans were far away, they had to get through the Soviets. The Iranians were very pro Third Reich German, so if they could get past the Soviet forces, getting to India via Iran would not have been hard. So Subhash Chandra Bose helped recruit Indian POW for the German cause. Interestingly when the Germans tried to include Indian muslims (which would include ancestors of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis) with Bosnian and other muslim divisions, the Indian muslims said that they considered themselves Indian first and thus were kept in Indian divisions.

    As the Germans could not be of much help because the Soviet offensive was taking time time, so Hitler arranged him getting a submarine to Tokyo. In the Indian ocean, Subhash Chandra Bose swam from a German submarine to a Japanese submarine which took him to Tokyo. The Japanese government gave their support to him for his mission to freeing India from the British Empire and he helped create the INA (Indian National Army supported by the Imperial Japanese Army) from Indian POWs of the British Indian Army now captured in South East Asia by the Japanese Army. These INA Indian soldiers fought Indian soldiers of the British Empire armed forces in the Indo-Burmese border.

    Also check this out

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUoOJEidm2o

    Many blacks, East Asians, Arabs etc... volunteered to fight for the Germans in WW2 or were captured POWs. The Mufti of Jerusalem was a close friend of Hitler. Hell there were even British volunteers in the German Army.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYmjQzpS434

    many Soviets including Russians, Ukrainians, Tartars, Chechens, Cossacks, Kazakhs etc... joined the German Wehrmacht as they wanted to liberate their lands from brutal Communist rule. After the War, they were all sent back by the British and Americans to the Soviet Union to their deaths. Stalin wanted Soviet citizens back.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqbwvYJwCA

    At 5:53 minutes you can see Subhash Chandra Bose with Indian soldiers of the WW2 German Wehrmacht.

    Wow – fascinating – I had no clue!!!

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  • @Avery
    There is no consensus as far as I know: just my observation over a long period of time hearing people talk and reading stuff at various sites.

    And as far as I can tell, Anglo-Saxon 'Whites'/North Western Europeans do not consider Slavic peoples 'white': my unscientific observation is that they actually look down on Slavs as inferior.
    Nothing new: goes back centuries.

    Your observations tend to correlate to mine. I was really hoping someone could put this whole White/non-White thing to rest with some level of authority or finality that way we can speak about it intelligently, but mostly it seems to be amorphous as I said.

    Which means the Left is correct when they say it is a social construct; because if you have a changing goal post depending on who you ask, then it really doesn’t have a fixed reality.

    I do know that historically in the US, for the purposes of anti-miscegenation laws in the South, people from Syria and Lebanon and Turkey were considered White. That at least has some legal association.

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    In the modern US you are white if you look white (-ish) and say you are. However, it seems to be common now for people on the fringes of "whiteness" like North Africans and Lebanese and Persians (and octoroons/quadroons/so on) not to identify as white. Armenians though do seem to identify as white.

    Nobody considers Indians white though I think that was their legal status at one point (before a census category was introduced for them).

    Slavs ... if they aren't white then who is? Albinos?
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  • @Talha
    Yo Avery,

    Yeah, that’s what’s so confusing. OK, I’m down with that; so ‘White’ means Northern and Western (minus Spanish) Europeans (what about Slavs?). So then they are the ‘White’ race and the rest of the people that look “White” are Caucasoid? That sounds reasonable enough, but is there consensus on this? I don’t mind coming up with a new race called “Off-White”. I’m just looking for something that makes things clear.

    Peace.

    There is no consensus as far as I know: just my observation over a long period of time hearing people talk and reading stuff at various sites.

    And as far as I can tell, Anglo-Saxon ‘Whites’/North Western Europeans do not consider Slavic peoples ‘white’: my unscientific observation is that they actually look down on Slavs as inferior.
    Nothing new: goes back centuries.

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    Your observations tend to correlate to mine. I was really hoping someone could put this whole White/non-White thing to rest with some level of authority or finality that way we can speak about it intelligently, but mostly it seems to be amorphous as I said.

    Which means the Left is correct when they say it is a social construct; because if you have a changing goal post depending on who you ask, then it really doesn't have a fixed reality.

    I do know that historically in the US, for the purposes of anti-miscegenation laws in the South, people from Syria and Lebanon and Turkey were considered White. That at least has some legal association.

    Peace.
    , @anon
    Nonsense. Slavs are white and are considered so.
    , @Truth
    Technically, you can't be a member of the American Nazi Party if you are a Slav.
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  • @Talha
    The frickin' Nazis recruited them...
    "Muslim members of the Waffen-SS 13th division at prayer during their training in Germany, 1943"
    https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/muslim-waffen-ss-13th-division-1943/

    HELLO??!!

    There were Indians in the German forces too which included many muslims (which would mean ancestors of Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis). They were POWs from the British Indian Army most probably surrendered in north Africa to Erwin Rommel’s Deutsches Afrikacorps. Many of them fought against the Soviets in the German Army but their fighting record was not that great.

    Adolf Hitler had promised the radical Indian freedom fighter Subhash Chandra Bose support in ending British rule in India. However the Germans were far away, they had to get through the Soviets. The Iranians were very pro Third Reich German, so if they could get past the Soviet forces, getting to India via Iran would not have been hard. So Subhash Chandra Bose helped recruit Indian POW for the German cause. Interestingly when the Germans tried to include Indian muslims (which would include ancestors of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis) with Bosnian and other muslim divisions, the Indian muslims said that they considered themselves Indian first and thus were kept in Indian divisions.

    As the Germans could not be of much help because the Soviet offensive was taking time time, so Hitler arranged him getting a submarine to Tokyo. In the Indian ocean, Subhash Chandra Bose swam from a German submarine to a Japanese submarine which took him to Tokyo. The Japanese government gave their support to him for his mission to freeing India from the British Empire and he helped create the INA (Indian National Army supported by the Imperial Japanese Army) from Indian POWs of the British Indian Army now captured in South East Asia by the Japanese Army. These INA Indian soldiers fought Indian soldiers of the British Empire armed forces in the Indo-Burmese border.

    Also check this out

    Many blacks, East Asians, Arabs etc… volunteered to fight for the Germans in WW2 or were captured POWs. The Mufti of Jerusalem was a close friend of Hitler. Hell there were even British volunteers in the German Army.

    many Soviets including Russians, Ukrainians, Tartars, Chechens, Cossacks, Kazakhs etc… joined the German Wehrmacht as they wanted to liberate their lands from brutal Communist rule. After the War, they were all sent back by the British and Americans to the Soviet Union to their deaths. Stalin wanted Soviet citizens back.

    At 5:53 minutes you can see Subhash Chandra Bose with Indian soldiers of the WW2 German Wehrmacht.

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    Wow - fascinating - I had no clue!!!

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  • @Avery
    { Chechens are White if “White” is considered a race.}

    Yo, Talha:

    I think when people use the word "White" here @unz and even in general conversations, they mean European stock, not the Caucasian/Caucasoid race. I think they mean the original founding stock of America the English, and later e.g. Norwegians, Germans, etc. I don't think Spaniards or Italians are included in the 'White' classification.

    The guy that came up with the three race classifications - Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid - based the archetype 'Caucasian' on his studies of people that inhabit the region now called Republic of Georgia, under the Caucasus Mountains. Ethnic Georgians call themselves Kartvelians, which includes various local groupings, such as Svans, Zans, Mingrelians, Lazs,....

    I have this discussion with Armenian yutes here in SocCal all the time. They say so-and-so is 'White'. I tell them, well Armenians are white, so who do you mean? They mean Anglo, but that's the slang they use for Anglo-Saxons hereabouts: 'White'.

    Yo Avery,

    Yeah, that’s what’s so confusing. OK, I’m down with that; so ‘White’ means Northern and Western (minus Spanish) Europeans (what about Slavs?). So then they are the ‘White’ race and the rest of the people that look “White” are Caucasoid? That sounds reasonable enough, but is there consensus on this? I don’t mind coming up with a new race called “Off-White”. I’m just looking for something that makes things clear.

    Peace.

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    There is no consensus as far as I know: just my observation over a long period of time hearing people talk and reading stuff at various sites.

    And as far as I can tell, Anglo-Saxon 'Whites'/North Western Europeans do not consider Slavic peoples 'white': my unscientific observation is that they actually look down on Slavs as inferior.
    Nothing new: goes back centuries.

    , @Iberiano
    Spaniards, unless specifically NOT white, are White. In fact, there's genetic and cultural evidence that the Celts (at least one major tribe) emigrated from what is today Asturias, Galicia and Cantabria to the British Isles, which is why they look so similar, and why so many share the same genetic fingerprints--as well as bagpipes !

    The simple standard for ANY race is, "what does person X look like" and what would most people SAY they look like? Social standing and status as well as culture can play a part (Mariah Carey would definitely be considered white in Brazil). But overall, if you are Felix Trinidad from PR, 99 percent of the world knows you are a black male, whether you are Latino or not. Just as 99 percent of the world knows Andy Garcia is white, Shakira is White/Arab, and Penelope Cruz is White/Moor. People sort by the obvious, just as while beauty is in the eye of the beholder, symmetry, hair quality, height, all that, can be a universal standard to a degree.

    People like to point out some exception, "but muh Fins have Chino eyes and white skin...but muh neighbor's Mexican with red hair". IF SOMEONE LOOKS WHITE they ARE WHITE. Not just skin, facial features, hair texture, body type, etc. Same with black or anything else. Yellow and Red exist as colors regardless of Orange in between.
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  • @Talha

    Not sure what your point is.
     
    My point is; there are plenty of Whites who are Muslims - I named ethnicities who are majority Muslim.

    Chechens are neither European or white.
     
    Chechens aren't European. Chechens are White if "White" is considered a race. If they aren't please cite a legitimate source (scientific journal, research) that states which race they belong to if other than "White". In fact, do us a favor and find a nice solid legitimate source which defines the various races in clear terms of delineation. That would be a favor to us all because right now it seems pretty amorphous. If you are just citing your opinion, well I have a different opinion.

    Bosnia is a miserable little place...Albania it is a corrupt mafia-state
     
    OK - so White Muslims are capable of running miserable, corrupt mafia states. Doesn't change their genetics.

    I would say 99% of Muslims are not white.
     
    Agreed, the majority of Muslims aren't White or European - though your numbers are exaggerated.

    { Chechens are White if “White” is considered a race.}

    Yo, Talha:

    I think when people use the word “White” here @unz and even in general conversations, they mean European stock, not the Caucasian/Caucasoid race. I think they mean the original founding stock of America the English, and later e.g. Norwegians, Germans, etc. I don’t think Spaniards or Italians are included in the ‘White’ classification.

    The guy that came up with the three race classifications – Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid – based the archetype ‘Caucasian’ on his studies of people that inhabit the region now called Republic of Georgia, under the Caucasus Mountains. Ethnic Georgians call themselves Kartvelians, which includes various local groupings, such as Svans, Zans, Mingrelians, Lazs,….

    I have this discussion with Armenian yutes here in SocCal all the time. They say so-and-so is ‘White’. I tell them, well Armenians are white, so who do you mean? They mean Anglo, but that’s the slang they use for Anglo-Saxons hereabouts: ‘White’.

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    Yo Avery,

    Yeah, that’s what’s so confusing. OK, I’m down with that; so ‘White’ means Northern and Western (minus Spanish) Europeans (what about Slavs?). So then they are the ‘White’ race and the rest of the people that look “White” are Caucasoid? That sounds reasonable enough, but is there consensus on this? I don’t mind coming up with a new race called “Off-White”. I’m just looking for something that makes things clear.

    Peace.
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  • @anon
    Not sure what your point is. Chechens are neither European or white. "Bosnians" Christian Slavs who 'turned Turk' after they were conquered by the Ottomans are only a few million and so are the Albanians. Bosnia is a miserable little place that only exists because of the west and half its population is Croatian or orthodox Serb. As for Albania it is a corrupt mafia-state. I would say 99% of Muslims are not white. Not all of them but the huge and overwhelming majority.

    Not sure what your point is.

    My point is; there are plenty of Whites who are Muslims – I named ethnicities who are majority Muslim.

    Chechens are neither European or white.

    Chechens aren’t European. Chechens are White if “White” is considered a race. If they aren’t please cite a legitimate source (scientific journal, research) that states which race they belong to if other than “White”. In fact, do us a favor and find a nice solid legitimate source which defines the various races in clear terms of delineation. That would be a favor to us all because right now it seems pretty amorphous. If you are just citing your opinion, well I have a different opinion.

    Bosnia is a miserable little place…Albania it is a corrupt mafia-state

    OK – so White Muslims are capable of running miserable, corrupt mafia states. Doesn’t change their genetics.

    I would say 99% of Muslims are not white.

    Agreed, the majority of Muslims aren’t White or European – though your numbers are exaggerated.

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    { Chechens are White if “White” is considered a race.}

    Yo, Talha:

    I think when people use the word "White" here @unz and even in general conversations, they mean European stock, not the Caucasian/Caucasoid race. I think they mean the original founding stock of America the English, and later e.g. Norwegians, Germans, etc. I don't think Spaniards or Italians are included in the 'White' classification.

    The guy that came up with the three race classifications - Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid - based the archetype 'Caucasian' on his studies of people that inhabit the region now called Republic of Georgia, under the Caucasus Mountains. Ethnic Georgians call themselves Kartvelians, which includes various local groupings, such as Svans, Zans, Mingrelians, Lazs,....

    I have this discussion with Armenian yutes here in SocCal all the time. They say so-and-so is 'White'. I tell them, well Armenians are white, so who do you mean? They mean Anglo, but that's the slang they use for Anglo-Saxons hereabouts: 'White'.
    , @anon
    "My point is there are plenty of whites who are Muslims".

    I beg to differ. Only a very small proportion of them.

    "I named ethnicities that are majority Muslim".

    Actually you named only one - the Albanians. "Bosnian" is not an ethnicity, although Serbian and Croatian are.

    "Chechens are white".

    No they are not.

    "Cite a legitimate source on race"

    Where are yours? And what is "legitimate" in this politically correct cultural Marxist age?

    "..I have a different opinion".

    We all have opinions sport that is why I said I beg to differ (but you wouldn't let it go would you?). You say "plenty" when I would say very few.

    "the majority of Muslims are not white or European"

    This is your only factual comment.

    "your numbers are exaggerated"

    Nope. YOURS ARE.

    By the way sport, I use my good old lying eyes to decide if somebody is 'white' or not.

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    @Talha
    Tell that to a Chechen when you see him. Post his reaction on YouTube once you get out of the hospital.

    Peace.

    Not sure what your point is. Chechens are neither European or white. “Bosnians” Christian Slavs who ‘turned Turk’ after they were conquered by the Ottomans are only a few million and so are the Albanians. Bosnia is a miserable little place that only exists because of the west and half its population is Croatian or orthodox Serb. As for Albania it is a corrupt mafia-state. I would say 99% of Muslims are not white. Not all of them but the huge and overwhelming majority.

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    Not sure what your point is.
     
    My point is; there are plenty of Whites who are Muslims - I named ethnicities who are majority Muslim.

    Chechens are neither European or white.
     
    Chechens aren't European. Chechens are White if "White" is considered a race. If they aren't please cite a legitimate source (scientific journal, research) that states which race they belong to if other than "White". In fact, do us a favor and find a nice solid legitimate source which defines the various races in clear terms of delineation. That would be a favor to us all because right now it seems pretty amorphous. If you are just citing your opinion, well I have a different opinion.

    Bosnia is a miserable little place...Albania it is a corrupt mafia-state
     
    OK - so White Muslims are capable of running miserable, corrupt mafia states. Doesn't change their genetics.

    I would say 99% of Muslims are not white.
     
    Agreed, the majority of Muslims aren't White or European - though your numbers are exaggerated.
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  • @Truth
    I was totally unaware of this.

    Oh yeah – remember, the Bosniaks were some of the most feared soldiers of the Austro-Hungarian Empire – known by their unique style of wearing a fez and white gloves. They were the most decorated division of that Empire in WW1 so it’s not surprising that the Nazis wanted them – especially when times were getting rough with lack of manpower.

    Now the Muslim Bosnians and Albanians were more interested in protecting their homeland from Communist invasion than anything else. Which makes sense since the Communists were very anti-religious while the Nazis were willing to accommodate.

    Here is a good article that expands somewhat on their motivations:
    “The Nazis tried to cater to the Muslim religious needs of their recruits, but the soldiers themselves cared more about protecting their homeland (as promised by the Nazis), than anything else the SS and Himmler told them about racial equality/superiority to the inferior Jews. Riots and desertions were commonplace among the soldiers, often to the Communist Partisans led by Josip Broz Tito, who promised the soldiers amnesty if they joined the Partisans. The soldiers were only interested in protecting their homeland in Bosnia, so any incursions into Croatia or Serbia to help the Nazi allies or war effort there met with consternation among the soldiers, and even more desertions.”

    https://ww2gravestone.com/muslim-members-waffen-ss-13th-division/

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  • @Truth
    Good link.

    I actually know an author, here in N.M who wrote a book about a black pilot who flew for France in WWI

    https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/eugene-bullard-1895-1961

    That’s right, I read about Bullard. He had to go to France to fly since they wouldn’t permit him in the States. I think Ahmed Effendi beat him by just a few years.

    Interesting thing that the French saddled him up with the Moroccans first (from your link) – so even they had some level of segregation (which doesn’t make sense to me, why wouldn’t you team him up with Americans in the French Foreign Legion, he’s not an Arab):
    “At the beginning of World War I, Bullard joined the French army, serving in the Moroccan Division of the 170th Infantry Regiment.”

    The Ottoman Imperial Air Force didn’t seem to have the same issues – here is Ahmed Effendi standing smack dab in the middle of a picture of pilots:

    http://originalpeople.org/ahmet-ali-celikten-one-f-the-first-black-pilots-in-aviation-history/

    Interesting, the above article says he married a Greek immigrant lady.

    Peace.

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  • @Anonymous

    The money, the thing that really glues all this together, came from where? Was it black financed? Probably not. Do the profits, helped by all the hype, go into black bank accounts?
     
    It's Jewish financed of course, with the profits going back to the Jews. Jews have appointed themselves protectors of blacks. They are put on this earth to lead these helpless people to their promised land.

    “Their promised land”

    Just not anywhere near Israel, right, Benjamin ?

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  • @Talha
    The frickin' Nazis recruited them...
    "Muslim members of the Waffen-SS 13th division at prayer during their training in Germany, 1943"
    https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/muslim-waffen-ss-13th-division-1943/

    HELLO??!!

    I was totally unaware of this.

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    Oh yeah - remember, the Bosniaks were some of the most feared soldiers of the Austro-Hungarian Empire - known by their unique style of wearing a fez and white gloves. They were the most decorated division of that Empire in WW1 so it's not surprising that the Nazis wanted them - especially when times were getting rough with lack of manpower.

    Now the Muslim Bosnians and Albanians were more interested in protecting their homeland from Communist invasion than anything else. Which makes sense since the Communists were very anti-religious while the Nazis were willing to accommodate.

    Here is a good article that expands somewhat on their motivations:
    "The Nazis tried to cater to the Muslim religious needs of their recruits, but the soldiers themselves cared more about protecting their homeland (as promised by the Nazis), than anything else the SS and Himmler told them about racial equality/superiority to the inferior Jews. Riots and desertions were commonplace among the soldiers, often to the Communist Partisans led by Josip Broz Tito, who promised the soldiers amnesty if they joined the Partisans. The soldiers were only interested in protecting their homeland in Bosnia, so any incursions into Croatia or Serbia to help the Nazi allies or war effort there met with consternation among the soldiers, and even more desertions."
    https://ww2gravestone.com/muslim-members-waffen-ss-13th-division/

    Peace.
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  • @Talha
    Yeah - it's really, really weird. My wife is a White woman - she didn't magically become Shanaynay when she converted - so I don't get it. Like, is it a genetic reality or a social construct? Pick one!!! So if Bosnians aren't White, what race have they been for the last few centuries exactly? And if Muslims are their own race, then yes - you are accurately being called a racist - just own it.

    Also - blast from the past - Imperial Ottoman Archives baby!!! Homeboy served in the Imperial Air force starting in 1908:
    https://twitter.com/OttomanArchive/status/959122910953836548

    Peace.

    Good link.

    I actually know an author, here in N.M who wrote a book about a black pilot who flew for France in WWI

    https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/eugene-bullard-1895-1961

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    That's right, I read about Bullard. He had to go to France to fly since they wouldn't permit him in the States. I think Ahmed Effendi beat him by just a few years.

    Interesting thing that the French saddled him up with the Moroccans first (from your link) - so even they had some level of segregation (which doesn't make sense to me, why wouldn't you team him up with Americans in the French Foreign Legion, he's not an Arab):
    "At the beginning of World War I, Bullard joined the French army, serving in the Moroccan Division of the 170th Infantry Regiment."

    The Ottoman Imperial Air Force didn't seem to have the same issues - here is Ahmed Effendi standing smack dab in the middle of a picture of pilots:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Ottoman_Pilots.jpg/800px-Ottoman_Pilots.jpg
    http://originalpeople.org/ahmet-ali-celikten-one-f-the-first-black-pilots-in-aviation-history/

    Interesting, the above article says he married a Greek immigrant lady.

    Peace.
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  • @Robert Dunn
    I see this film further stoking the unfathomable hatred Black people have for whites! I mean, hate, blame shifting, victimization are easy and it's human nature to do things that are easy rather than challenging. The supreme irony is that many of these hateful blacks would not even be alive were it not for processes put into place by white America especially the treasonous self-hating white liberals for welfare, food stamps, affirmative action, non-standardized tests is school suitable for their 'culture', and, of course, stabbing their own racial kinsmen in the back!

    I see this film further stoking the unfathomable hatred Black people have for whites!

    LOL, well I’ve read most of the 33 articles written on this site about the film in the last month, it’s certainly stoking the unfathomable hatred white people have for blacks!

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  • @Truth
    LOL, some 150 IQ folks here still have problems believing that there are white Muslims.

    The frickin’ Nazis recruited them…
    “Muslim members of the Waffen-SS 13th division at prayer during their training in Germany, 1943″

    https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/muslim-waffen-ss-13th-division-1943/

    HELLO??!!

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    I was totally unaware of this.
    , @Malla
    There were Indians in the German forces too which included many muslims (which would mean ancestors of Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis). They were POWs from the British Indian Army most probably surrendered in north Africa to Erwin Rommel's Deutsches Afrikacorps. Many of them fought against the Soviets in the German Army but their fighting record was not that great.

    Adolf Hitler had promised the radical Indian freedom fighter Subhash Chandra Bose support in ending British rule in India. However the Germans were far away, they had to get through the Soviets. The Iranians were very pro Third Reich German, so if they could get past the Soviet forces, getting to India via Iran would not have been hard. So Subhash Chandra Bose helped recruit Indian POW for the German cause. Interestingly when the Germans tried to include Indian muslims (which would include ancestors of Pakistanis and Bangladeshis) with Bosnian and other muslim divisions, the Indian muslims said that they considered themselves Indian first and thus were kept in Indian divisions.

    As the Germans could not be of much help because the Soviet offensive was taking time time, so Hitler arranged him getting a submarine to Tokyo. In the Indian ocean, Subhash Chandra Bose swam from a German submarine to a Japanese submarine which took him to Tokyo. The Japanese government gave their support to him for his mission to freeing India from the British Empire and he helped create the INA (Indian National Army supported by the Imperial Japanese Army) from Indian POWs of the British Indian Army now captured in South East Asia by the Japanese Army. These INA Indian soldiers fought Indian soldiers of the British Empire armed forces in the Indo-Burmese border.

    Also check this out

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUoOJEidm2o

    Many blacks, East Asians, Arabs etc... volunteered to fight for the Germans in WW2 or were captured POWs. The Mufti of Jerusalem was a close friend of Hitler. Hell there were even British volunteers in the German Army.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYmjQzpS434

    many Soviets including Russians, Ukrainians, Tartars, Chechens, Cossacks, Kazakhs etc... joined the German Wehrmacht as they wanted to liberate their lands from brutal Communist rule. After the War, they were all sent back by the British and Americans to the Soviet Union to their deaths. Stalin wanted Soviet citizens back.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgqbwvYJwCA

    At 5:53 minutes you can see Subhash Chandra Bose with Indian soldiers of the WW2 German Wehrmacht.

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  • @Truth

    1) They believe a fantasy movie based on a comic book

    5) Only blacks will actually believe the premise of this movie or take it seriously.
     
    Nice nickname.

    I see what you did there – LOOOOOL! I would set foot in Latveria if I were you.

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  • @Truth
    LOL, some 150 IQ folks here still have problems believing that there are white Muslims.

    Yeah – it’s really, really weird. My wife is a White woman – she didn’t magically become Shanaynay when she converted – so I don’t get it. Like, is it a genetic reality or a social construct? Pick one!!! So if Bosnians aren’t White, what race have they been for the last few centuries exactly? And if Muslims are their own race, then yes – you are accurately being called a racist – just own it.

    Also – blast from the past – Imperial Ottoman Archives baby!!! Homeboy served in the Imperial Air force starting in 1908:

    Peace.

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    Good link.

    I actually know an author, here in N.M who wrote a book about a black pilot who flew for France in WWI

    https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeology/eugene-bullard-1895-1961
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  • @Talha

    They targeted whites and told an Asian not to be afraid, that they weren’t against him.
     
    OK, but that is no different from Whites who join up with Antifa - are they no longer White? This only works if you believe White is a social construct; do you believe that?

    Otherwise, your genetic identity does not magically change with change in religion, political stance, etc. Else one has to explain lack of "Whiteness" on the part of Whites that targeted other Whites (over religion, ideology, etc) during events like the Thirty Years War, Spanish Civil War, WW2, etc.

    Many don’t consider themselves European, but view Europeans as their outgroup.
     
    The Chechens aren't Europeans for sure, but they are White. As White as Avars, Circassians, etc. And if you've met Muslim Bosnians and Albanians (even Turks from Western Anatolia and Thrace*), then you know how White and European they look. Sure White Muslims may see non-Muslims (White or not as their out-group) but that doesn't change them from being White.

    That’s the salient point.
     
    And that is a very good point if you, again, posit that White is a social construct based on changing perceptions of "normative behavior" like the decrease in church attendance you mentioned.

    Peace.

    *This is what a Turkish actor (who plays a character in the Ertugrul TV series) looks like:
    https://divamagazin.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/cengiz-cos%CC%A7kunun-dirilis%CC%A7-ertug%CC%86rul-turgut-alp-burcu-nedir.png

    This young man from Turkey is quite popular as a Qur'an reciter and can imitate some of the most difficult recitation styles:
    http://ulke-image.kanal7-cdn.com/ulkehaber/news/detail/2016/19/osman_bostanci_bu_her_seyden_once_yetenek_1462870260_8904.JPG

    LOL, some 150 IQ folks here still have problems believing that there are white Muslims.

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    Yeah - it's really, really weird. My wife is a White woman - she didn't magically become Shanaynay when she converted - so I don't get it. Like, is it a genetic reality or a social construct? Pick one!!! So if Bosnians aren't White, what race have they been for the last few centuries exactly? And if Muslims are their own race, then yes - you are accurately being called a racist - just own it.

    Also - blast from the past - Imperial Ottoman Archives baby!!! Homeboy served in the Imperial Air force starting in 1908:
    https://twitter.com/OttomanArchive/status/959122910953836548

    Peace.
    , @Talha
    The frickin' Nazis recruited them...
    "Muslim members of the Waffen-SS 13th division at prayer during their training in Germany, 1943"
    https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/muslim-waffen-ss-13th-division-1943/

    HELLO??!!
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  • @Dr. Doom
    The Real Story is that the MOST DIVERSE MOVIE EVAH is a film with a virtually all black cast with a black director. Diversity just means NOT WHITE. Why do people say blacks are stupid?

    1) They believe a fantasy movie based on a comic book is the basis for their future.
    2) Their fake "black kingdom" looks EXACTLY LIKE the racist societies they hate.
    3) The comic book characters weren't invented or drawn by any blacks originally.
    4) Probably NONE of the technicians, crew or effects people behind this movie are actually black.
    5) Only blacks will actually believe the premise of this movie or take it seriously.
    6) Only blacks will overlook the obvious lack of interest the Wakandans have in other blacks.
    7) No blacks will even wonder why the Wakandans didn't lift a finger against White Colonialism.
    8) No blacks will even question how these blacks were so powerful and other blacks weren't.
    9) This movie will have NO EFFECT on the misguided premise that Egypt was built by blacks.
    10) Wakanda has NO SCIENCE OR ENGINEERING and is based on a rock that fell from the Sky.;

    1) They believe a fantasy movie based on a comic book

    5) Only blacks will actually believe the premise of this movie or take it seriously.

    Nice nickname.

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    I see what you did there - LOOOOOL! I would set foot in Latveria if I were you.
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  • @anonymous

    Biggest irony is Wakanda looks like a black version of Nazi Germania, the city of the future. BLACK PANTHER is really a kind of Afro-Aryanism. It’s like, what if Nazis were black. Then, they would have been cool.
     
    LOL best critique of the movie I've read yet. Simply brilliant!

    Blacks complained about the racist Jews in Hollywood not giving them any good roles, so the Jews gave them a whole movie instead.

    I still like the premise of this movie for two reasons:
    1) the conservative theme - the antagonist is actually a multiculturalism promoting white, while the protagonist wants racial purity for blacks. Imagine if their roles were reversed. This movie would've gone down in infamy.
    2) if it ends up encouraging blacks to move back to Africa and attempt to build the real life Wakanda, that would be great for everyone.

    In fact, the real life Wakanda is being built as we speak, all over Africa, with the help of the Chinese. We just need blacks to believe, and move back to build their homeland.

    Next we need the Jewish version of Wakanda, called Judea, to encourage all the Jews to move back to Israel.

    Lastly we'll need the LGBTQ version of Wakanda, called Gayana, to encourage all LGBTQs to move to their own paradise, where this would be I don't know, maybe somewhere in the Caribbean?

    The native land, for female homosexuals at least, would be the island of Lesbos, of course.
    Otherwise, the peninsular tip of Cape Cod, Provincetown, could be cut off from the rest of Cape Cod, e.g., via a short canal, to create a homeland in the Eastern U.S.

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  • @anonymous

    Biggest irony is Wakanda looks like a black version of Nazi Germania, the city of the future. BLACK PANTHER is really a kind of Afro-Aryanism. It’s like, what if Nazis were black. Then, they would have been cool.
     
    LOL best critique of the movie I've read yet. Simply brilliant!

    Blacks complained about the racist Jews in Hollywood not giving them any good roles, so the Jews gave them a whole movie instead.

    I still like the premise of this movie for two reasons:
    1) the conservative theme - the antagonist is actually a multiculturalism promoting white, while the protagonist wants racial purity for blacks. Imagine if their roles were reversed. This movie would've gone down in infamy.
    2) if it ends up encouraging blacks to move back to Africa and attempt to build the real life Wakanda, that would be great for everyone.

    In fact, the real life Wakanda is being built as we speak, all over Africa, with the help of the Chinese. We just need blacks to believe, and move back to build their homeland.

    Next we need the Jewish version of Wakanda, called Judea, to encourage all the Jews to move back to Israel.

    Lastly we'll need the LGBTQ version of Wakanda, called Gayana, to encourage all LGBTQs to move to their own paradise, where this would be I don't know, maybe somewhere in the Caribbean?

    Yeah, I was waiting for you to tell white people to go back to Europe to create a white utopia free of brown people but, unsurprisingly, you didn’t do that.

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  • @songbird
    The Tsarnaev brothers didn't seem to consider themselves white. They targeted whites and told an Asian not to be afraid, that they weren't against him.

    Maybe, that was the culture of growing up in America. Or maybe, they were using skin color as a proxy for Christianity. Funny considering how few whites go to church - in any case, it hardly matters if Chechens consider themselves white in Chechnya. Chechens certainly don't have white normative behavior. Many don't consider themselves European, but view Europeans as their outgroup. That's the salient point.

    They targeted whites and told an Asian not to be afraid, that they weren’t against him.

    OK, but that is no different from Whites who join up with Antifa – are they no longer White? This only works if you believe White is a social construct; do you believe that?

    Otherwise, your genetic identity does not magically change with change in religion, political stance, etc. Else one has to explain lack of “Whiteness” on the part of Whites that targeted other Whites (over religion, ideology, etc) during events like the Thirty Years War, Spanish Civil War, WW2, etc.

    Many don’t consider themselves European, but view Europeans as their outgroup.

    The Chechens aren’t Europeans for sure, but they are White. As White as Avars, Circassians, etc. And if you’ve met Muslim Bosnians and Albanians (even Turks from Western Anatolia and Thrace*), then you know how White and European they look. Sure White Muslims may see non-Muslims (White or not as their out-group) but that doesn’t change them from being White.

    That’s the salient point.

    And that is a very good point if you, again, posit that White is a social construct based on changing perceptions of “normative behavior” like the decrease in church attendance you mentioned.

    Peace.

    *This is what a Turkish actor (who plays a character in the Ertugrul TV series) looks like:

    This young man from Turkey is quite popular as a Qur’an reciter and can imitate some of the most difficult recitation styles:

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    LOL, some 150 IQ folks here still have problems believing that there are white Muslims.
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  • The Real Story is that the MOST DIVERSE MOVIE EVAH is a film with a virtually all black cast with a black director. Diversity just means NOT WHITE. Why do people say blacks are stupid?

    1) They believe a fantasy movie based on a comic book is the basis for their future.
    2) Their fake “black kingdom” looks EXACTLY LIKE the racist societies they hate.
    3) The comic book characters weren’t invented or drawn by any blacks originally.
    4) Probably NONE of the technicians, crew or effects people behind this movie are actually black.
    5) Only blacks will actually believe the premise of this movie or take it seriously.
    6) Only blacks will overlook the obvious lack of interest the Wakandans have in other blacks.
    7) No blacks will even wonder why the Wakandans didn’t lift a finger against White Colonialism.
    8) No blacks will even question how these blacks were so powerful and other blacks weren’t.
    9) This movie will have NO EFFECT on the misguided premise that Egypt was built by blacks.
    10) Wakanda has NO SCIENCE OR ENGINEERING and is based on a rock that fell from the Sky.;

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    1) They believe a fantasy movie based on a comic book

    5) Only blacks will actually believe the premise of this movie or take it seriously.
     
    Nice nickname.
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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    This is so funny to me that I cant stop laughing.
    Vakand in Hungarian means this small black blind little animal that lives underground and makes tunnels and little piles of earth on surface. This little animal inspects the tunnel and eats worms that fell into tunnel. (I do not know the name of this animal i English)
    But from Hungarian point of view the name fits perfectly.

    Vakond. As in “Kisvakond”, ” The Little Mole”, “Krtek” in Czech. That’s a sweet cartoon directed by Zdenek Miler that everyone who grew up in the Eastern block knows. ( It’s touching that you know a random Hungarian word. I know two words in Czech, krtek is one.)

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  • @Talha
    Tell that to a Chechen when you see him. Post his reaction on YouTube once you get out of the hospital.

    Peace.

    The Tsarnaev brothers didn’t seem to consider themselves white. They targeted whites and told an Asian not to be afraid, that they weren’t against him.

    Maybe, that was the culture of growing up in America. Or maybe, they were using skin color as a proxy for Christianity. Funny considering how few whites go to church – in any case, it hardly matters if Chechens consider themselves white in Chechnya. Chechens certainly don’t have white normative behavior. Many don’t consider themselves European, but view Europeans as their outgroup. That’s the salient point.

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    They targeted whites and told an Asian not to be afraid, that they weren’t against him.
     
    OK, but that is no different from Whites who join up with Antifa - are they no longer White? This only works if you believe White is a social construct; do you believe that?

    Otherwise, your genetic identity does not magically change with change in religion, political stance, etc. Else one has to explain lack of "Whiteness" on the part of Whites that targeted other Whites (over religion, ideology, etc) during events like the Thirty Years War, Spanish Civil War, WW2, etc.

    Many don’t consider themselves European, but view Europeans as their outgroup.
     
    The Chechens aren't Europeans for sure, but they are White. As White as Avars, Circassians, etc. And if you've met Muslim Bosnians and Albanians (even Turks from Western Anatolia and Thrace*), then you know how White and European they look. Sure White Muslims may see non-Muslims (White or not as their out-group) but that doesn't change them from being White.

    That’s the salient point.
     
    And that is a very good point if you, again, posit that White is a social construct based on changing perceptions of "normative behavior" like the decrease in church attendance you mentioned.

    Peace.

    *This is what a Turkish actor (who plays a character in the Ertugrul TV series) looks like:
    https://divamagazin.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/cengiz-cos%CC%A7kunun-dirilis%CC%A7-ertug%CC%86rul-turgut-alp-burcu-nedir.png

    This young man from Turkey is quite popular as a Qur'an reciter and can imitate some of the most difficult recitation styles:
    http://ulke-image.kanal7-cdn.com/ulkehaber/news/detail/2016/19/osman_bostanci_bu_her_seyden_once_yetenek_1462870260_8904.JPG
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  • @songbird
    Probably some of that stopping was disease. I'm guessing Arabs and Berbers might be a bit more disease tolerant than your average European when it comes to tropical diseases, but probably not as much as blacks. Horses can be affected too.

    That is possible, but the Arab historians don’t mention this. They do mention how tough the Nubians were, especially their archers – solid:
    “In 641 and 652 the Nubians were one of the few peoples capable of repelling the Arab invasions thanks to their archery skills. The Arab historians call them “pupil smiters” or “archers of the eyes” since they were able to shoot a man through a pupil of an eye from a long distance. Both sides signed an agreement (called the baqt) that lasted for the next five hundred years regardless of who ruled Egypt.”

    http://nubianmonasteries.uw.edu.pl/about/

    The early Muslims had no problem cutting a deal with tough people. For instance, the Turkish Jarajima tribe was allowed to forgo paying jizya as long as they helped defend the border against Byzantine incursions.

    Maybe one can make the argument that they felt parts of Sub-Saharan Africa simply weren’t worth the trouble. But, they did try to invade Nubia twice before concluding a pact.

    Peace.

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  • @anon
    "Plenty of whites are Muslim"..

    I beg to differ.

    Tell that to a Chechen when you see him. Post his reaction on YouTube once you get out of the hospital.

    Peace.

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    The Tsarnaev brothers didn't seem to consider themselves white. They targeted whites and told an Asian not to be afraid, that they weren't against him.

    Maybe, that was the culture of growing up in America. Or maybe, they were using skin color as a proxy for Christianity. Funny considering how few whites go to church - in any case, it hardly matters if Chechens consider themselves white in Chechnya. Chechens certainly don't have white normative behavior. Many don't consider themselves European, but view Europeans as their outgroup. That's the salient point.
    , @anon
    Not sure what your point is. Chechens are neither European or white. "Bosnians" Christian Slavs who 'turned Turk' after they were conquered by the Ottomans are only a few million and so are the Albanians. Bosnia is a miserable little place that only exists because of the west and half its population is Croatian or orthodox Serb. As for Albania it is a corrupt mafia-state. I would say 99% of Muslims are not white. Not all of them but the huge and overwhelming majority.
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  • Black Panther will be a monster hit at the box office in its opening weekend [‘Black Panther’ Heading Toward Massive $170 Million-Plus Opening, by Dave McNary, Variety, February 12, 2018]. My guess is it will surpass $200 million, as black identity and Main Stream Media cheerleading are creating a formidable marketing combination [Black Panther: does...
  • @Dr. Doom
    Oh look its Troof, the fake blech goof. Whatsamatta Boy? Are you all hot and bothered by this blech shaft filim? You better take that funny little cap wichu when you go to the theaters.

    This garbage is getting subsidized by White tax dollars. All the screwl systems are padding the opening of this pile of crap. It'll do the obligatory ZERO BUSINESS IN ALL OF ASIA. China won't even screen this anywhere.

    The blech intifada should ensure that NOBODY signs up for any Banker Wars anytime soon.

    OH TOO BAD ZARDOZ. Looks like you get ZERO SOLDIERS. Those Mestizos would probably just side with Palestine anyway HOSERS. Get on yer knees to Baal and cry about it.

    That Angry Giant you've been poking is getting ready to Rise. That chump you thought was gonna Reagan Bush has crapped out and fallen flat.

    OH TOO BAD.

    With Wakanda poster “Truth” finally has his example of a successful black nation.

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  • James Baldwin, perhaps the most influential black literary figure of the last century, confessed in Notes of a Native Son that blacks feel alienated and inferior no matter where they travel in the modern world. Each black person, he mourned, is but a “stranger in their village,” a global village shaped by others—especially by whites....
  • @Talha
    Which is quite silly an argument since "Muslim" isn't a race...and plenty of Whites are Muslim - tons of Bosnian and Albanian Muslims in my area of the Midwest.

    Peace.

    “Plenty of whites are Muslim”..

    I beg to differ.

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    Tell that to a Chechen when you see him. Post his reaction on YouTube once you get out of the hospital.

    Peace.
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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Scott f falkirk
    I'll give u Haiti, but it's not true that sub saharan africa was left alone. Someone once said that the reason sub saharan africa never got off th ground was due to th never ceasing islamic slave raids into th interior. Though of course they also raided in white mans land, so who knows?

    You make a good point. The Muslim trans-Saharan slave trade carried off at least twice as many blacks as did the Trans-Atlantic one. Saudi Arabia – ground zero for Islam – didn’t even ban slavery until 1962. It is also worth noting about 2,000,000 Europeans were carried off into slavery by the Barbary pirates alone. This doesn’t include the Ottoman Turks with their kidnapping of European children for Janissaries and harems. The word slave actually comes from Slav.

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  • @Anon
    The great irony is even as Wakanda pretends to be a Afrocentric worldview, it is utterly Eurocentric in its standards of worth.

    The West took pride in science, technology, reason, machines, and monuments.

    In contrast, blacks didn't have any of that. But still, Afrocentrists took pride in their folklore, music, rhythm, village, and colorful cultures. So, the black attitude used to be, "We don't need all that skyscrapers and airplanes to have pride in ourselves. We are still a people with a culture and heritage and community."

    But the fact is the White World still has more cool 'blings' in terms of cars, planes, buildings, and all the good stuff. So, blacks wanted that stuff. I mean, how much pride can you feel in your people's folklore if they're living in mudhuts?

    Also, even white Liberals judged everything by money, machines, science, and achievement. (If white liberals are truly culturally relativist, they shouldn't push science and technology on blacks. White liberals should say that is 'white stuff', and non-whites shouldn't be judged by whether they have science/technology or not. Instead, non-whites should be judged by the norms of their own culture. So, if black Africa didn't have great cities and just had primitive stuff, then blacks should be happy with that and not want to be like the West.) Since white liberals wanted to believe in the black promise, they exaggerated black achievement in science and technology. So, over time, blacks got to thinking that ONLY A TECHNOLOGICAL society has worth. Black lost interest in taking pride in primitive Africa of folklore and dance. They wanted to believe that blacks could have cities like London and Hong Kong. In other words, blacks can be great only by having a super-technological society like what white folks made.

    So, this Wakanda is a strange concoction. It is supposed to be about black autonomy and independence, but blacks dream and fantasize about super-technology and big cities because their minds have been colonized by the Western metric of worth. Blacks are no longer content to feel proud of being African on the basis of having spears, bongo drum, songs, and dance. Blacks want big cities, skyscrapers, and spaceships. Without such, blacks feel no pride.

    But since blacks can't make such things on their own, they fantasize about them and then, with help of Jewish globalists, argue that the reason why blacks don't have good things is because of whitey.
    In the future, Wakanda will not be made by Africans in Africa. Rather, blacks will colonize the West, and as in the musical Hamilton, the likelihood is that all the great, famous, and noble white leaders and heroes of the past will be made 'black' by fantasy. Through the iconic power of entertainment and propaganda, young children of all races will be made to see and feel that the bulk of all great men and women of Western history were black. From a young age, white children will be introduced to great historical white figures as blacks.
    So, BBC has a black Achilles. TV shows feature black Lancelot. Many great white heroes will be 'othelloed'. And white globalists, liberals, and cuckservatives will go along because Pop Culture sees blacks as the most idolic race. Idols and icons have immediate power of recognition and admiration. It's like it takes just one look to fall in love with a movie star or pop singer. In contrast, to come to are for an average person, it takes time and patience to get to know him or her.
    The effect is not instant. Romeo and Juliet fall in love with each other with just one look because they have charm and beauty. But to fall in love with a plain-faced woman or humdrum man, it takes time. The affection has to grow.

    The thing is so many whites have fallen in instant love/lust with blacks because blacks are good in exciting stuff like sports, pop music, and comedy. And white women want to imitate the bouncy black female butts and lust after the Negro dong. And white people have been totally seduced by black voice in songs and oratory. White people worship black people along with homos. Blacks are fast, and homos are flamboyant. This is why Jews see it as so essential to control and manage both groups who dominate iconic power. To control homos means to control fashion and creativity. To control Negroes means to control fastness and intensity.
    Especially in our age of electronic-amplification of images and sounds, the power of homos and Negroes are electro-colonizing all the world. They are winning the battle of high-volt icons. Because whites worship blacks, they want to believe in Wakanda, a great world made and ruled by blacks. But because blacks cannot make Wakanda, the whites will realize the fantasy via Cuckanda. In Cuckanda, whites(and Asians and Mexicans) will do most of the heavy lifting and construction and management to make things work, BUT blacks will be placed on the pedestal as the representative godhead of the hard work of others. Indeed, Obama was just a figure. He didn't do shi* all his life, BUT he was elevated as the symbol of American achievement. And HIDDEN FIGURES says three black women done it. But at least HIDDEN FIGURES is about women who did SOMETHING. The musical HAMILTON just pretends that the Founding Fathers were blacks. And BBC has all these TV shows were white historical figures are made into blacks.

    Why do whites go for such nonsense? Because they want to believe. That wanting-to-believe allows for suspension of disbelief. Look at the logic of religion. Because people want to believe, they happy to pretend that some Jewish guy name Jesus got whupped real bad but went to Heaven to reside with God even though there is no factual evidence of such. Because white people want to believe so badly that blacks are so noble, cool, and wonderful that they will happily pretend that it's much cooler to imagine that past white heroes and leaders were blacks. Blacks race has become the god of white folks, and in worship of god, people will believe anything.

    Of course, many will go on blaming whitey as the reason why blacks don't have nice things.
    But in all seriousness, the blame-whitey argument has merit only with few civilizations in Meso-America. Maybe just maybe, if whites hadn't destroyed those awesome(albeit bloody) civilizations, they MIGHT HAVE developed on their own into other great cities around the world. But such argument can't be made for blacks or North American Indians who were too primitive when white people came upon them.

    Biggest irony is Wakanda looks like a black version of Nazi Germania, the city of the future. BLACK PANTHER is really a kind of Afro-Aryanism. It's like, what if Nazis were black. Then, they would have been cool.

    Good comment until around halfway through. Especially this:

    The thing is so many whites have fallen in instant love/lust with blacks because blacks are good in exciting stuff like sports, pop music, and comedy. And white women want to imitate the bouncy black female butts and lust after the Negro dong. And white people have been totally seduced by black voice in songs and oratory. White people worship black people along with homos.

    Drivel, absolute drivel.

    The vast majority of whites in the US (and increasingly Europe) actively choose to disassociate themselves from blacks by moving away from black-dominated neighborhoods and schools. According to literally every study or dating site statistic I can find, white women overwhelmingly prefer white men to blacks, something that I can personally attest to (I’ve been a bartender all around the US and have had front-row seats to a lot of sexual selection via nightlife).

    I can’t honestly say I see a large proportion of the white US population being in “in love” with blacks in media or entertainment either. Outside of diehard liberals, most just seem indifferent at best.

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  • @Daniel Chieh
    One day, all movies will be identity movies.

    There was a brief period in Europe when they tried to seriously compete with Hollywood. Not having a single home market as big as the US, three or four countries would band together. They would shoot the same movie in three different languages with the same actors speaking their lines again in different languages.

    I can really imagine something similar happening, but with them using the same script and props but different actors. Commercials I think will definitely change. They will stream to the individual. Maybe not monoethnic, but no longer rainbow. These rainbow propaganda commercials don’t sell a product.

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  • @Talha
    This doesn't pan out. The Muslim societies of Sub-Saharan Africa were the most advanced ones. Especially in the Sene-Gambia region. They were studying astronomy, mathematics, medicine, etc. well in the medieval era - archives are available in Timbuktu.

    The lion's share of well-organized, wide-ranging Sub-Saharan empires were also Muslim (or were animist and eventually became Muslim when the sovereigns converted):
    https://developmentdaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/africa_empires.png

    As far as slavery, that was pretty much par for the course in that area; Muslims and non-Muslims raided each other for slaves - the Muslims were just way better at it since they were far more organized (as evidenced by their expansive empires) they also sat on a boatload of gold. At the height of its power, the Empire of Ghana could field a massive 200,000 warriors. Africa had fairly powerful empires and people for a time. The same Arab conquering armies that rolled over Persia and Byzantium (and all her garrisons in North Africa) in relatively short time were stopped by the Ghanians as well as the Nubians:
    http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/suic/ReferenceDetailsPage/ReferenceDetailsWindow?zid=2b0b78e895c3c2c3467384319c7d8343&action=2&catId=&documentId=GALE%7CEJ3048600040&userGroupName=lnoca_hudson&jsid=75d84f30569785151d4ceb2accb4b7a3


    Peace.

    Probably some of that stopping was disease. I’m guessing Arabs and Berbers might be a bit more disease tolerant than your average European when it comes to tropical diseases, but probably not as much as blacks. Horses can be affected too.

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    That is possible, but the Arab historians don’t mention this. They do mention how tough the Nubians were, especially their archers - solid:
    “In 641 and 652 the Nubians were one of the few peoples capable of repelling the Arab invasions thanks to their archery skills. The Arab historians call them “pupil smiters” or “archers of the eyes” since they were able to shoot a man through a pupil of an eye from a long distance. Both sides signed an agreement (called the baqt) that lasted for the next five hundred years regardless of who ruled Egypt.”
    http://nubianmonasteries.uw.edu.pl/about/

    The early Muslims had no problem cutting a deal with tough people. For instance, the Turkish Jarajima tribe was allowed to forgo paying jizya as long as they helped defend the border against Byzantine incursions.

    Maybe one can make the argument that they felt parts of Sub-Saharan Africa simply weren’t worth the trouble. But, they did try to invade Nubia twice before concluding a pact.

    Peace.
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  • @Anon
    The great irony is even as Wakanda pretends to be a Afrocentric worldview, it is utterly Eurocentric in its standards of worth.

    The West took pride in science, technology, reason, machines, and monuments.

    In contrast, blacks didn't have any of that. But still, Afrocentrists took pride in their folklore, music, rhythm, village, and colorful cultures. So, the black attitude used to be, "We don't need all that skyscrapers and airplanes to have pride in ourselves. We are still a people with a culture and heritage and community."

    But the fact is the White World still has more cool 'blings' in terms of cars, planes, buildings, and all the good stuff. So, blacks wanted that stuff. I mean, how much pride can you feel in your people's folklore if they're living in mudhuts?

    Also, even white Liberals judged everything by money, machines, science, and achievement. (If white liberals are truly culturally relativist, they shouldn't push science and technology on blacks. White liberals should say that is 'white stuff', and non-whites shouldn't be judged by whether they have science/technology or not. Instead, non-whites should be judged by the norms of their own culture. So, if black Africa didn't have great cities and just had primitive stuff, then blacks should be happy with that and not want to be like the West.) Since white liberals wanted to believe in the black promise, they exaggerated black achievement in science and technology. So, over time, blacks got to thinking that ONLY A TECHNOLOGICAL society has worth. Black lost interest in taking pride in primitive Africa of folklore and dance. They wanted to believe that blacks could have cities like London and Hong Kong. In other words, blacks can be great only by having a super-technological society like what white folks made.

    So, this Wakanda is a strange concoction. It is supposed to be about black autonomy and independence, but blacks dream and fantasize about super-technology and big cities because their minds have been colonized by the Western metric of worth. Blacks are no longer content to feel proud of being African on the basis of having spears, bongo drum, songs, and dance. Blacks want big cities, skyscrapers, and spaceships. Without such, blacks feel no pride.

    But since blacks can't make such things on their own, they fantasize about them and then, with help of Jewish globalists, argue that the reason why blacks don't have good things is because of whitey.
    In the future, Wakanda will not be made by Africans in Africa. Rather, blacks will colonize the West, and as in the musical Hamilton, the likelihood is that all the great, famous, and noble white leaders and heroes of the past will be made 'black' by fantasy. Through the iconic power of entertainment and propaganda, young children of all races will be made to see and feel that the bulk of all great men and women of Western history were black. From a young age, white children will be introduced to great historical white figures as blacks.
    So, BBC has a black Achilles. TV shows feature black Lancelot. Many great white heroes will be 'othelloed'. And white globalists, liberals, and cuckservatives will go along because Pop Culture sees blacks as the most idolic race. Idols and icons have immediate power of recognition and admiration. It's like it takes just one look to fall in love with a movie star or pop singer. In contrast, to come to are for an average person, it takes time and patience to get to know him or her.
    The effect is not instant. Romeo and Juliet fall in love with each other with just one look because they have charm and beauty. But to fall in love with a plain-faced woman or humdrum man, it takes time. The affection has to grow.

    The thing is so many whites have fallen in instant love/lust with blacks because blacks are good in exciting stuff like sports, pop music, and comedy. And white women want to imitate the bouncy black female butts and lust after the Negro dong. And white people have been totally seduced by black voice in songs and oratory. White people worship black people along with homos. Blacks are fast, and homos are flamboyant. This is why Jews see it as so essential to control and manage both groups who dominate iconic power. To control homos means to control fashion and creativity. To control Negroes means to control fastness and intensity.
    Especially in our age of electronic-amplification of images and sounds, the power of homos and Negroes are electro-colonizing all the world. They are winning the battle of high-volt icons. Because whites worship blacks, they want to believe in Wakanda, a great world made and ruled by blacks. But because blacks cannot make Wakanda, the whites will realize the fantasy via Cuckanda. In Cuckanda, whites(and Asians and Mexicans) will do most of the heavy lifting and construction and management to make things work, BUT blacks will be placed on the pedestal as the representative godhead of the hard work of others. Indeed, Obama was just a figure. He didn't do shi* all his life, BUT he was elevated as the symbol of American achievement. And HIDDEN FIGURES says three black women done it. But at least HIDDEN FIGURES is about women who did SOMETHING. The musical HAMILTON just pretends that the Founding Fathers were blacks. And BBC has all these TV shows were white historical figures are made into blacks.

    Why do whites go for such nonsense? Because they want to believe. That wanting-to-believe allows for suspension of disbelief. Look at the logic of religion. Because people want to believe, they happy to pretend that some Jewish guy name Jesus got whupped real bad but went to Heaven to reside with God even though there is no factual evidence of such. Because white people want to believe so badly that blacks are so noble, cool, and wonderful that they will happily pretend that it's much cooler to imagine that past white heroes and leaders were blacks. Blacks race has become the god of white folks, and in worship of god, people will believe anything.

    Of course, many will go on blaming whitey as the reason why blacks don't have nice things.
    But in all seriousness, the blame-whitey argument has merit only with few civilizations in Meso-America. Maybe just maybe, if whites hadn't destroyed those awesome(albeit bloody) civilizations, they MIGHT HAVE developed on their own into other great cities around the world. But such argument can't be made for blacks or North American Indians who were too primitive when white people came upon them.

    Biggest irony is Wakanda looks like a black version of Nazi Germania, the city of the future. BLACK PANTHER is really a kind of Afro-Aryanism. It's like, what if Nazis were black. Then, they would have been cool.

    Anyone who has pride in himself for whatever reason is an idiot. He should already know that whatever he did to be proud of he did because it was what had to be done. And if you are proud of being white you are not white. White people don’t bother about being white, certainly not about being proud of it. There’s too much to get done for that. Some people know what they are doing and are busy getting the job done. Who cares what color their skin is.

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  • @SteveRogers42
    I guess our sorely oppressed wimmen folk should have felt the same rush of ancestral pride at the depiction of the Paradise Island of Themiscryia.

    But who will cheer for our undersea ancestors in Atlantis? Only Prince Namor stands between them and the evil surface-men.

    One day, all movies will be identity movies.

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    There was a brief period in Europe when they tried to seriously compete with Hollywood. Not having a single home market as big as the US, three or four countries would band together. They would shoot the same movie in three different languages with the same actors speaking their lines again in different languages.

    I can really imagine something similar happening, but with them using the same script and props but different actors. Commercials I think will definitely change. They will stream to the individual. Maybe not monoethnic, but no longer rainbow. These rainbow propaganda commercials don't sell a product.
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  • I guess our sorely oppressed wimmen folk should have felt the same rush of ancestral pride at the depiction of the Paradise Island of Themiscryia.

    But who will cheer for our undersea ancestors in Atlantis? Only Prince Namor stands between them and the evil surface-men.

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    One day, all movies will be identity movies.
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  • @Nappyman
    Dear White folks this a movie of a comic book.
    It's Science Fiction/Fantasy.It is not real.
    You still have most of the money and weapons so chill out enjoy being the Master Race.

    It’s Science Fiction/Fantasy.It is not real.

    Wonder if they’ll build a theme park out of it like they did for Hogwarts.

    Peace.

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  • @Bill Miller
    And when whites say they prefer to have whites around instead of a larger and larger portion of towelheads et al. they are called racists ...

    Which is quite silly an argument since “Muslim” isn’t a race…and plenty of Whites are Muslim – tons of Bosnian and Albanian Muslims in my area of the Midwest.

    Peace.

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    "Plenty of whites are Muslim"..

    I beg to differ.
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  • I see this film further stoking the unfathomable hatred Black people have for whites! I mean, hate, blame shifting, victimization are easy and it’s human nature to do things that are easy rather than challenging. The supreme irony is that many of these hateful blacks would not even be alive were it not for processes put into place by white America especially the treasonous self-hating white liberals for welfare, food stamps, affirmative action, non-standardized tests is school suitable for their ‘culture’, and, of course, stabbing their own racial kinsmen in the back!

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    I see this film further stoking the unfathomable hatred Black people have for whites!
     
    LOL, well I've read most of the 33 articles written on this site about the film in the last month, it's certainly stoking the unfathomable hatred white people have for blacks!
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  • And when whites say they prefer to have whites around instead of a larger and larger portion of towelheads et al. they are called racists …

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Which is quite silly an argument since "Muslim" isn't a race...and plenty of Whites are Muslim - tons of Bosnian and Albanian Muslims in my area of the Midwest.

    Peace.
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  • @Scott f falkirk
    I'll give u Haiti, but it's not true that sub saharan africa was left alone. Someone once said that the reason sub saharan africa never got off th ground was due to th never ceasing islamic slave raids into th interior. Though of course they also raided in white mans land, so who knows?

    This doesn’t pan out. The Muslim societies of Sub-Saharan Africa were the most advanced ones. Especially in the Sene-Gambia region. They were studying astronomy, mathematics, medicine, etc. well in the medieval era – archives are available in Timbuktu.

    The lion’s share of well-organized, wide-ranging Sub-Saharan empires were also Muslim (or were animist and eventually became Muslim when the sovereigns converted):
    As far as slavery, that was pretty much par for the course in that area; Muslims and non-Muslims raided each other for slaves – the Muslims were just way better at it since they were far more organized (as evidenced by their expansive empires) they also sat on a boatload of gold. At the height of its power, the Empire of Ghana could field a massive 200,000 warriors. Africa had fairly powerful empires and people for a time. The same Arab conquering armies that rolled over Persia and Byzantium (and all her garrisons in North Africa) in relatively short time were stopped by the Ghanians as well as the Nubians:

    http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/suic/ReferenceDetailsPage/ReferenceDetailsWindow?zid=2b0b78e895c3c2c3467384319c7d8343&action=2&catId=&documentId=GALE%7CEJ3048600040&userGroupName=lnoca_hudson&jsid=75d84f30569785151d4ceb2accb4b7a3

    Peace.

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    Probably some of that stopping was disease. I'm guessing Arabs and Berbers might be a bit more disease tolerant than your average European when it comes to tropical diseases, but probably not as much as blacks. Horses can be affected too.
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  • @Sam J.
    "...Am I the only one to see in Black Panther an informal argument for the voluntarist repatriation of African-Americans to Africa?..."

    No your not. I think this is fantastic and we should push this thing to the moon. We should convince every single African American that if they went to Africa and were not interfered with they could all be KANGS!

    I think we should get up a budget and offer the equivalent of 40 acres and a mule, around $250,000 per person paid in 5 installment of $50,000, to every Black that moves back to Africa and also commute sentences for the same. We should build fantastic high rise gated apartments with swimming pools and all kinds of bling for them to move into in Africa and advertise this like the second coming of Christ. Then, most deviously, offer to pay the first installment before they leave, [we need that to figure the number of apartment buildings to build]. Pay bonuses for private individuals to sign up Blacks for the move. Call it the reparations bonus payment to Blacks. Then in one big swoop move all that signed up to Africa into the apartments. Now how many inner city Blacks do you think could hold themselves back from getting $50,000 for themselves and the same for every child they have? Got to be a small number. They wouldn't be able to resist and of course they would change their minds but it would be too late.

    We should push this Wakanda idea all we can. If the CIA has funds for it we should make 10 movies with each one more fantastic than the the last promising everlasting peace, wealth and good will to all Africans. We should, in the movies, promise super buildings that have barbecue chicken wings and malt liquor that materialize like Star Trek. What ever it takes.

    The beauty of this is those with the least ability to control themselves would be the first to sign up. We should make sure there's a few years between the bonus paid and the move so we can sign up as many as possible. Blacks who stayed would finally have made the decision that they're Americans and that this is home no matter what. They will in no way be able to complain as they had their chance for reparations.

    LOL, Stan Lee is not the only one with huge fantasies.

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  • @KenH
    It wouldn't really matter if alt-righter and WN's supported the BP phenomenon. Blacks will embrace message of BP or not regardless of what we think. Blacks have radically different thought processes than whites and will have very different takeaways.

    Personally, I find BP offensive only because it gives blacks the impression that Africa and African blacks would be the most advanced continent and people on earth had white Europeans not interloped into Africa, so this could further fuel their rage and resentment. So the evil white devil robbed blacky of his destiny.

    Wakanda is celebrated as a black ethnostate. Everything centers around black racial identity and ennobling and empowering the black citizens of Wakanda.

    The blacks, white SJW's and others who've heaped fulsome praise on the movie and its message of black empowerment would be screaming white supremacy, staging protests and demanding scalps if a movie was made about a highly advanced mythical white ethnostate that restricted citizenship only to whites and placed a premium on white racial identity.

    So in 21st century America it's racial identity for me (blacks and other non-whites) but not for thee (the founding white racial stocks).

    So in 21st century America it’s racial identity for me (blacks and other non-whites) but not for thee (the founding white racial stocks).

    Correct, I think Black Pigeon’s point was that one can use it (since it is a popular) to point out blatant hypocrisy and double-standards. In other words, it is another arrow in the quiver, and a fairly big one at that.

    Peace.

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  • @mp
    ...white guys, Jack Kirby and Stan Lee.

    Jacob Kurtzberg and Stan Lieber. The author of this article has to know it's a Jewish fantasy, but for reasons not clear is obfuscating. Probably he's just afraid to come out and say it. Easier for him to deal with being called a racist than being called an anti-Semite.

    it is because paul kersey is a jew

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  • @Sampson
    oh man! the UNZ Review is relentlessly racist, no doubt by design.. but for that still stupid.
    whats his name Paul Kersey is ignorant anyway...or this review is ignorant maybe calculated s to be ignorant for whatever purpose

    but I wont be going to see this movie. I have not watched movies for a very long time..save old ones I really like. I wont waste my time and money otherwise. I prefer to put in an hour or 2 over some good porn, with thick women of all ethnicity doing the nasty, struggling with big dicks and dildos.

    but Kersey is very funny all the same..especially with Baldwin. who says Baldwin was the most important Black american writer of the last century..Kersey?

    that is Kersey's claim and contention..certainly to try legitimize his racist point here. But what did Eldridge Cleaver have to say about that..about Baldwin..in his book Soul on Ice and elsewhere?

    Cleaver did not have much love for Baldwin did he and for clear reasons with which I concur

    and even if Baldwin's was a heartfelt confession what was/is his confession but part of his undue and ill love for white people...white men directly.. a white-cock chewing, white-cum guzzling female of a black ma, who was not by any means a Black warrior, capable of defending or reconquering the world he had lost. Baldwin surely stood and watched the conquerors arrive and did not lose his life fighting them on the beaches of Africa, setting example to his people for ages to come as the way to proceed against the invaders until the last man was left standing..or the invaders were forced out. he would be too busy looking for a white cock to suck

    to use Baldwin sets up this review for the black-hating, historically inaccurate nonsense that it is.

    historically there is no modern and currently global, independently created, devoid of black contribution, dominant white social reality. that is not how the world works, how human social evolution works. all that stands currently also stand on all that has gone before. if the original African divination of who they were was naturalistic then nature was their template, the only one they had. but in keeping with the fact that all that exists must be modeled on what their creators, experienced, lived. so Africans, the first people, used nature as their template, and all subsequent societies built off Africa, through Kemet

    Kersey is manifestly a-historical and dishonest intellectually from the jump. and he continues by cutting off white society from its feeder sources, attributing all that so-called white society is, is purely due to white invention. but how in the hell can that be?

    we know who white people are and there is nothing that is originally white..that is starting off from Europe, after the ice, that could have led totally to what white currently is...unless cannibalism, Mammoth huts on frozen European ice age tundra, and mating with Neandertal.. can be construed as the basis of current white society. and yet we know that is not true for we can trace all Europe is back to the walls of Kemetian temples, Kemetian books, hieroglyphics etc..and to nowhere else

    current white society/culture is no separate monolithic whites only creation. utter nonsense in the face of the know absolute chronology of the human species. and we also know that the same cannibalistic, Neandertal hybrid..the Iceman Inheritance up in Europe..began as Aurignacian Blacks, who walked into Europe during an ice interstadial and got trapped...the for survival, manged to mutate into the whites we now know. even he, the white man started out as Black, African

    I can see I am going to have a lot of fun with this review

    6/10 trolling(decent effort, poor impact)

    I think that the overall effect of loose grammar was effective, but the sentences were illegible so it made me not read them. I think it’ll be more provocative if you increase the legibility of the piece. Also, you seem to repeat the same point multiple times with no rhetorical device such increasing examples to support your contentions: in order to get a rise out of readers, imagery and concreteness can be helpful. I noticed the Afrocentrism claims – try and tie them to the Egyptian motif which is common, and slip in a reference to “kings” if possible as well.

    I suggest look up the poster Corvinus, and then putting your spin on it.

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  • Here are the streets of Johannesburg:

    Yesterday I also saw the streets of Pretoria:

    https://www.facebook.com/herman.j.clark/videos/10155180948328053/

    So, it is all cool. I am sure Black Panther-2 through 7 are in order.

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    Practically Paris!
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  • @Obsessive Contrarian
    Right, I saw that. But in the link I supplied the per theatre average was $18K - unless I'm reading incorrectly, which is entirely possible.

    Is there a diff between per screen average and per theater average?

    Update, when I checked again, Thor per screen was $11K.

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=marvel2017.htm

    Same deal for WW.

    Not sure how I screwed that one up, but there it is. Very impressive numbers. Now let’s look at the legs.

    Star Wars Last Jedi has really bizarro numbers:

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=starwars8.htm

    Can you call a movie that made $1.3bn a flop? I think I can, based on the drop off.

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  • I already have the title for the third installment of Black Panther. It can be called:
    Black Panther III: Return of the Kang

    Neither the Black Panther character nor Wakanda are FUBU (for us by us which means for blacks by blacks) since they were the created by two Jewish men as others have noted. So it’s more like FUBJ.

    I haven’t yet seen this acknowledged in any of the glowing reviews from leftist or pro-black websites. If black power blacks don’t acknowledge this then by their own standards they are race sellouts.

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  • @anon
    "blacks feel alienated and inferior no matter where they travel in the modern world"

    That is due to the very simple fact that blacks played zero role in the creation of the modern world.

    "what blacks could accomplish without white interference".

    Haiti has been pretty much left to itself for 200+ years. And 90% of sub-Saharan Africa was left alone until well into the nineteenth century. So blacks have had ample time and opportunity to show what they can do. The results are as dismal as can be.

    It is very pathetic (I say this with no meanness) that blacks need a fantasy movie based on characters created by white guys to give themselves an ego boost.

    I’ll give u Haiti, but it’s not true that sub saharan africa was left alone. Someone once said that the reason sub saharan africa never got off th ground was due to th never ceasing islamic slave raids into th interior. Though of course they also raided in white mans land, so who knows?

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    This doesn't pan out. The Muslim societies of Sub-Saharan Africa were the most advanced ones. Especially in the Sene-Gambia region. They were studying astronomy, mathematics, medicine, etc. well in the medieval era - archives are available in Timbuktu.

    The lion's share of well-organized, wide-ranging Sub-Saharan empires were also Muslim (or were animist and eventually became Muslim when the sovereigns converted):
    https://developmentdaily.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/africa_empires.png

    As far as slavery, that was pretty much par for the course in that area; Muslims and non-Muslims raided each other for slaves - the Muslims were just way better at it since they were far more organized (as evidenced by their expansive empires) they also sat on a boatload of gold. At the height of its power, the Empire of Ghana could field a massive 200,000 warriors. Africa had fairly powerful empires and people for a time. The same Arab conquering armies that rolled over Persia and Byzantium (and all her garrisons in North Africa) in relatively short time were stopped by the Ghanians as well as the Nubians:
    http://ic.galegroup.com/ic/suic/ReferenceDetailsPage/ReferenceDetailsWindow?zid=2b0b78e895c3c2c3467384319c7d8343&action=2&catId=&documentId=GALE%7CEJ3048600040&userGroupName=lnoca_hudson&jsid=75d84f30569785151d4ceb2accb4b7a3


    Peace.

    , @anon
    You make a good point. The Muslim trans-Saharan slave trade carried off at least twice as many blacks as did the Trans-Atlantic one. Saudi Arabia - ground zero for Islam - didn't even ban slavery until 1962. It is also worth noting about 2,000,000 Europeans were carried off into slavery by the Barbary pirates alone. This doesn't include the Ottoman Turks with their kidnapping of European children for Janissaries and harems. The word slave actually comes from Slav.
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  • @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Sampson: It looks you did great
    In Nigerian studies to date.
    Your poor cogitation
    Gives strong indication
    Herb Zig-Zag's one dude you can't hate.

    wot is this?
    you found you way through. its clear enough

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  • @Obsessive Contrarian
    Can you wrap this up in two or three sentences?

    I don’t know what you want from me man. I pass UNZ at times and stop a bit when I see articles that attract my attention. I saw Kersey on this Panther movie, read the first part, realized he was up to no good, got pissed and let loose.

    I never edited what I said, never thought it out seriously, and came by this morning expecting to to see it not allowed by moderation. I am surprised that it is in fact up. they must have seen some modicum of value or usefulness from their point of view, in it

    what can I say?

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  • @Anonymous
    Nobody wants to be in a theatre with a bunch of black people, anyone who's ever been to a black movie knows how much they talk through each movie, you literally can't hear a word (from the movie).

    Yeah, I just don’t believe the numbers. It’s going to turn out that twenty times the Black population of the entire United States went to this thing three times in the first week.

    GoodWhites usually get their asses beaten down in these situations, you’re correct in your insinuation. Here come the GoodWhites on their noble White Steeds..

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  • @Obsessive Contrarian
    " I wonder if the SJW/Soros-types bought huge blocks of tickets and whether the theater numbers are lies. "

    Cut the paranoia.

    Box Office Mojo has no need to lie. Why would they produce fabricated quotes that indicate the per screen average was less than Thor or Wonder Woman?

    How about it had a wide release in major markets over a 4 day weekend, it's got two baked in audiences (Marvel fans and young black people) and that produced great numbers? And oh, it's pretty good. I've heard from people I trust that it's quite good.

    The proof of the pudding is here on in.

    Calm down.

    #1, GFYS. Number 2, I propose a reasonable question. Now get back on your White Horse and defend the Dindu Warriors on someone else’s proposal. I’m the epitome of calm and reason. You just don’t like my accusing your people.

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