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  • @SFG
    I've heard a similar adverse selection dynamic is present in West Virginia.

    I knew a really smart guy from WV once...but he had moved to NC...

    I have been hanging out in Wheeling WV since the late 60′s. Most of the ambitious people I knew back then have left. The ones I still know there like life in a small town which can be very pleasant. But the white underclass has all the pathologies of the black underclass. I tell my friends that yeah you don’t have a lot of blacks but you got an extra helping of white trash. They agree.

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  • @ua2
    Surprised at the delta in PA, which is driven by hispanic under-performance. Anyone care to make a hypothesis why PA has some of the worst performing hispanics in the country, and certainly out of step with hispanics in neighboring mid-atlantic states?

    Pennsylvania has a relatively small Hispanic community – only 6% of population vs. 18% in NY/NJ. A lot of them are recent Section 8 refugees from the gentrification of NYC.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The Mexican population has sub-populations as distinct from each other as Europeans and Asians:

    “Mexican Genetics Study Reveals Huge Variation in Ancestry: UCSF-Stanford Team Uncovers Basis for Health Differences among Latinos”, Kristen Bole, UC San Francisco, June 12, 2014:

    “…In the most comprehensive genetic study of the Mexican population to date, researchers from UC San Francisco and Stanford University, along with Mexico’s National Institute of Genomic Medicine (INMEGEN), have identified tremendous genetic diversity, reflecting thousands of years of separation among local populations and shedding light on a range of confounding aspects…

    …unveiled genetic differences as extensive as the variations between some Europeans and Asians, indicating populations that have been isolated for hundreds to thousands of years. …

    …These differences offer an explanation for the wide variety of health factors among Latinos of Mexican descent, including differing rates of breast cancer and asthma, as well as therapeutic response. …

    …”…we identified tremendous genetic diversity, with real disease implications based on where, precisely, your ancestors are from in Mexico.”…

    …clear remnants of ancient empires that cross seemingly remote geographical zones. In particular, the Seri people along the northern mainland coast of the Gulf of California and a Mayan people known as the Lacandon, near the Guatemalan border, are as genetically different from one another as Europeans are from Chinese. …”

    Professor of Bioengineering and Therapeutic Sciences, and of Medicine, Esteban González Burchard, MD, MPH. Sounds like a good guy. Probably not from the Yucatan. But I wonder if UCSF counts him as Hispanic for reporting purposes?

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile California has the lowest scores for Hispanics in the US.

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    California most likely has the most Indian blooded Hispanics.

    A lot of Californian ag-labor hispanics are from the Yucatan. A good number don’t even speak Spanish.

    “The invisible Indians of California”, David Escobar, 02/06/06:

    “WHEN THE controversial issue of day laborers loitering on the streets appears in the media, the ethnicity is always painted with the same brown brush: Latino. But who are these brown-skinned men with baseball caps? …

    …What most Californians don’t realize is that many of these… are not necessarily Hispanic/Latino in the general sense of the word, but are Indian people…

    …the Hispanic population in California has grown in unprecedented numbers… the new unknown immigrants are Meso-American Indians… They are the largest growing population in the state.

    …According to the Frente Indigena Organizaci n Binacional (FIOB), a California nonprofit for immigrants, the majority of the people who are labeled Mexican are natives from the Mixtec, Zapotec and Chatino tribes. FIOB estimates there are between 70,000 to 80,000 indigenous workers from Oaxaca throughout California. The Mexican Consulate in San Francisco indicates there are more than 10,000 Maya Indians from the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico currently living in Marin County. alone and about 18,000 Bay Area-wide.

    Discriminatory practices against Indians are embodied in almost every institution throughout Latin America.

    Images of two Mexicano Conquistadores (that is, white) sitting around sharing a bottle. “The problem with Mexico is it’s full of Mexicans…” “Heh. Did you see that movie Braveheart?” “Hum… well, that’d never go over today.” “Say, I’ve got a great idea. We can tell them all they can move to California and the US will give them a free pickup truck! No Money Down!” “Hum… you know, you just might be on to something.”

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    ¡100% oppressed Hispanic! And maybe trans-gendered too.

    Oops! Mea culpa!!

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  • @Father O'Hara
    California most likely has the most Indian blooded Hispanics.

    Friend of mine teaches in the LA school system and a lot of the kids from Mexico and Central America don’t speak Spanish but local Indian languages.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @SteveN
    Are the children of our overlords really that superior, or did the test contain an unusual number of questions pertaining to their dinner table discussions: legal jargon, how to make spending increases sound like draconian cuts, how much to pay a hooker, etc.?

    Speaking from personal experience as a resident of an elite SWPL community, yes, there is an ever widening gulf between dumb and smart within the White race. My father told me that in the old days, it was easy to distinguish a smart man from a dumb man, but it was difficult to distinguish a smart woman from a dumb woman. Smart men were highly educated (most of the time) and had prestigious jobs. Dumb men had 12 years or less of education and had manual labor jobs. But with women, most of them just stayed at home with their parents until they got married. In my grandfather and great grandfather’s generations, men married women who were pretty and had good reputations, since those traits were the only ones you could judge women by easily. My parents generation was the first in the United States where women were just as visibly stratified by IQ, education, income, etc as men. Men in my dad’s generation wanted everything in a wife: beauty, high IQ, good reputation, high social class, etc.

    The proof is in the pudding when you look at the people in my generation. My prep school’s average IQ was 118 at the time I attended. One of my friends went to an even more elite high school than I. Average IQ at his school was around 124.

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  • @AndrewR
    We had a large influx of Southerners, both black and white, during the auto boom era. Here in Flint (proper) the white people tend to be virtually indistinguishable from the blacks behaviorally and cognitively. I suppose it's because all the whites with means, brains and/or class have moved out of the city over the decades, leaving only the lowest of the low.

    I’ve heard a similar adverse selection dynamic is present in West Virginia.

    I knew a really smart guy from WV once…but he had moved to NC…

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    I have been hanging out in Wheeling WV since the late 60's. Most of the ambitious people I knew back then have left. The ones I still know there like life in a small town which can be very pleasant. But the white underclass has all the pathologies of the black underclass. I tell my friends that yeah you don't have a lot of blacks but you got an extra helping of white trash. They agree.
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  • @Ezra
    How come people in Michigan are so dumb?

    During WW2, large numbers of southern scots-Irish moved to Michigan to work in the factories. Since then, generation after generation of college educated kids have left because there was no work due the decline of industry and things like NAFTA.

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  • @AnotherDad
    I'd have to say that of the three gaps, that there is the least interesting content here.

    Average Hispanic performance is just mediocre. Not terrible ... just *consistently* mediocre.

    There are only a few things of note:
    -- Florida Hispanics--as expected--are of a slightly different cut and do a bit better.
    -- New York, despite having more black Hispanics gets bog standard performance.
    -- The generally high-performing (white) states really do *not* have any capability to move Hispanic scores up. Even Massachusetts Hispanics are just average. The average across a bunch of states with decent white scores--Connecticut, Washington, Colorado, Minnesota--pretty much the Hispanic average.

    To me, the lone data point with a real "message" is California--it has the worst Hispanic scores, tied only by Alabama. Enough below the average i'd guess there's statistical significance.

    My take home from that is the more Hispanics you take in, the more they live in a Hispanicized world, in Hispanic cities, with Hispanic norms, Hispanic teachers, administrators, public officials ... the more mediocre the Hispanic performance. Essentially it degrades toward their performance in Latin America ... because they are now living in a Latin America.

    It's essentially the problem with the Raj Chetty's bogus "solution" (integration with whites). With fewer and fewer whites around, you simple don't have enough whites to provide minority "uplift".

    If you want the quality and amenities of a white country ... you sorta need white people around to deliver them!

    So true. Despite the billions of tax dollars thrown at this intractable problem, the stats reveal that you cannot educate those who cannot be educated. Now the region formerly known as southern California has been transformed into Mexifornia. In fifty more years no one will believe that this was once the driver of the aerospace and defense industries. But you’ll be able to get a killer taco de lengue on every rincon del calle.

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  • @AnotherDad
    I'd have to say that of the three gaps, that there is the least interesting content here.

    Average Hispanic performance is just mediocre. Not terrible ... just *consistently* mediocre.

    There are only a few things of note:
    -- Florida Hispanics--as expected--are of a slightly different cut and do a bit better.
    -- New York, despite having more black Hispanics gets bog standard performance.
    -- The generally high-performing (white) states really do *not* have any capability to move Hispanic scores up. Even Massachusetts Hispanics are just average. The average across a bunch of states with decent white scores--Connecticut, Washington, Colorado, Minnesota--pretty much the Hispanic average.

    To me, the lone data point with a real "message" is California--it has the worst Hispanic scores, tied only by Alabama. Enough below the average i'd guess there's statistical significance.

    My take home from that is the more Hispanics you take in, the more they live in a Hispanicized world, in Hispanic cities, with Hispanic norms, Hispanic teachers, administrators, public officials ... the more mediocre the Hispanic performance. Essentially it degrades toward their performance in Latin America ... because they are now living in a Latin America.

    It's essentially the problem with the Raj Chetty's bogus "solution" (integration with whites). With fewer and fewer whites around, you simple don't have enough whites to provide minority "uplift".

    If you want the quality and amenities of a white country ... you sorta need white people around to deliver them!

    California most likely has the most Indian blooded Hispanics.

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    Friend of mine teaches in the LA school system and a lot of the kids from Mexico and Central America don't speak Spanish but local Indian languages.
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  • I’d have to say that of the three gaps, that there is the least interesting content here.

    Average Hispanic performance is just mediocre. Not terrible … just *consistently* mediocre.

    There are only a few things of note:
    – Florida Hispanics–as expected–are of a slightly different cut and do a bit better.
    – New York, despite having more black Hispanics gets bog standard performance.
    – The generally high-performing (white) states really do *not* have any capability to move Hispanic scores up. Even Massachusetts Hispanics are just average. The average across a bunch of states with decent white scores–Connecticut, Washington, Colorado, Minnesota–pretty much the Hispanic average.

    To me, the lone data point with a real “message” is California–it has the worst Hispanic scores, tied only by Alabama. Enough below the average i’d guess there’s statistical significance.

    My take home from that is the more Hispanics you take in, the more they live in a Hispanicized world, in Hispanic cities, with Hispanic norms, Hispanic teachers, administrators, public officials … the more mediocre the Hispanic performance. Essentially it degrades toward their performance in Latin America … because they are now living in a Latin America.

    It’s essentially the problem with the Raj Chetty’s bogus “solution” (integration with whites). With fewer and fewer whites around, you simple don’t have enough whites to provide minority “uplift”.

    If you want the quality and amenities of a white country … you sorta need white people around to deliver them!

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    • Replies: @Father O'Hara
    California most likely has the most Indian blooded Hispanics.
    , @Maus
    So true. Despite the billions of tax dollars thrown at this intractable problem, the stats reveal that you cannot educate those who cannot be educated. Now the region formerly known as southern California has been transformed into Mexifornia. In fifty more years no one will believe that this was once the driver of the aerospace and defense industries. But you'll be able to get a killer taco de lengue on every rincon del calle.
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  • No West Virginia. Not enough Hispanics there?

    Notable, at least to me, is that so many of the states have a white average score within four points of the 262 national average. That’s a pretty small variation. If the left side of the chart started at zero instead of 200, all those blue bars would be very similar.

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  • Surprised at the delta in PA, which is driven by hispanic under-performance. Anyone care to make a hypothesis why PA has some of the worst performing hispanics in the country, and certainly out of step with hispanics in neighboring mid-atlantic states?

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    Pennsylvania has a relatively small Hispanic community - only 6% of population vs. 18% in NY/NJ. A lot of them are recent Section 8 refugees from the gentrification of NYC.
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  • @Ezra
    How come people in Michigan are so dumb?

    The state’s experiencing a bad case of White brain drain. Also, the North can be really poor.

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  • The DC numbers (and probably some others) reflect the filter of (mostly white and Asian) professionals getting drawn to DC because they’re very smart and educated, vs Hispanics coming to hang drywall and cook in restaurants.

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  • There’s a moderate gap in achievement between Florida Hispanics and California Hispanics. I would assume the Cuban influence on the Florida results is still strong. Meanwhile California has the lowest scores for Hispanics in the US.

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  • Dirk Dagger [AKA "Chico Caldera"] says: • Website
    @D. K.
    How was Charlie Sheen's son Sam (b. 2004) categorized?

    ¡100% oppressed Hispanic! And maybe trans-gendered too.

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    Oops! Mea culpa!!
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  • How was Charlie Sheen’s son Sam (b. 2004) categorized?

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    ¡100% oppressed Hispanic! And maybe trans-gendered too.
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  • On the large gap end, you have a Sao Paolo like situation in DC – an elite white class and their Guatemalan housekeepers/landscapers. On the other end, in Louisiana and Kentucky the economic/intellectual gap between working class whites and working class Hispanics is not that large – they may both work side by side in the Toyota assembly plant or on the oil rig.

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  • @Ezra
    How come people in Michigan are so dumb?

    Well, Michigan whites score at 254 compared to Minnesota whites who score at 267, but yesterday the Michigan Wolverines beat the Minnesota Golden Gophers 29-26 and took home the Little Brown Jug, the oldest trophy in college football. So, who’s Number 1? Some things are more important than others.

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  • Here’s an explanation for why that chart is the way it is: The northeastern states get Puerto Ricans and D.C. gets Salvadorans.

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  • Washington DC sticks out like a sore thumb ; am I right in assuming most of the White kids attend private schools and the Hispanic kids attend public schools?

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  • Does the NEAP treat Hispanic and White as mutually exclusive categories? Treating white Florida Cubans, Californian Aztecs and black NY Dominicans as the same race makes these rankings pointless. Steve, you of all people should know this.

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  • @Ezra
    How come people in Michigan are so dumb?

    How come people in Michigan are so dumb?

    5% of Michigan population are Arabs. Plus, whites who remain in places like Flint tend to be less smart.

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  • @Ezra
    How come people in Michigan are so dumb?

    We had a large influx of Southerners, both black and white, during the auto boom era. Here in Flint (proper) the white people tend to be virtually indistinguishable from the blacks behaviorally and cognitively. I suppose it’s because all the whites with means, brains and/or class have moved out of the city over the decades, leaving only the lowest of the low.

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    I've heard a similar adverse selection dynamic is present in West Virginia.

    I knew a really smart guy from WV once...but he had moved to NC...
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  • @SFG
    And all the states with the biggest gap are the high-scoring ones.

    Anyone think about why this is why we can't have gifted education, and why America makes such poor use of the top of its intellectual distribution?

    Because that would be “elitist” (and “racist” due to disparate impact)

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  • Remember, everybody is differently abled! If we weren’t, we all be combinations of Albert Einstein and Michael Jordan.

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  • Are the children of our overlords really that superior, or did the test contain an unusual number of questions pertaining to their dinner table discussions: legal jargon, how to make spending increases sound like draconian cuts, how much to pay a hooker, etc.?

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    Speaking from personal experience as a resident of an elite SWPL community, yes, there is an ever widening gulf between dumb and smart within the White race. My father told me that in the old days, it was easy to distinguish a smart man from a dumb man, but it was difficult to distinguish a smart woman from a dumb woman. Smart men were highly educated (most of the time) and had prestigious jobs. Dumb men had 12 years or less of education and had manual labor jobs. But with women, most of them just stayed at home with their parents until they got married. In my grandfather and great grandfather's generations, men married women who were pretty and had good reputations, since those traits were the only ones you could judge women by easily. My parents generation was the first in the United States where women were just as visibly stratified by IQ, education, income, etc as men. Men in my dad's generation wanted everything in a wife: beauty, high IQ, good reputation, high social class, etc.

    The proof is in the pudding when you look at the people in my generation. My prep school's average IQ was 118 at the time I attended. One of my friends went to an even more elite high school than I. Average IQ at his school was around 124.
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  • It’s just one test so it cannot be considered a pattern across the USA.

    No, I’m NOT serious.

    Of course I know educrats that would recoil at the idea of adding avg. reading and math scores. Presumably because they don’t like snapshots of the big picture.

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  • And all the states with the biggest gap are the high-scoring ones.

    Anyone think about why this is why we can’t have gifted education, and why America makes such poor use of the top of its intellectual distribution?

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    Because that would be "elitist" (and "racist" due to disparate impact)
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  • How come people in Michigan are so dumb?

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    We had a large influx of Southerners, both black and white, during the auto boom era. Here in Flint (proper) the white people tend to be virtually indistinguishable from the blacks behaviorally and cognitively. I suppose it's because all the whites with means, brains and/or class have moved out of the city over the decades, leaving only the lowest of the low.
    , @Anonymous

    How come people in Michigan are so dumb?
     
    5% of Michigan population are Arabs. Plus, whites who remain in places like Flint tend to be less smart.
    , @tbraton
    Well, Michigan whites score at 254 compared to Minnesota whites who score at 267, but yesterday the Michigan Wolverines beat the Minnesota Golden Gophers 29-26 and took home the Little Brown Jug, the oldest trophy in college football. So, who's Number 1? Some things are more important than others.
    , @E. Harding
    The state's experiencing a bad case of White brain drain. Also, the North can be really poor.
    , @Muse
    During WW2, large numbers of southern scots-Irish moved to Michigan to work in the factories. Since then, generation after generation of college educated kids have left because there was no work due the decline of industry and things like NAFTA.
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  • A general assumption of the moderate conventional wisdom over the last half century is that average black performance is dragged down by specific impediments, such as poverty, crime, culture of poverty, parental taciturnity, lead paint, or whatever. One would therefore expect blacks without those impediments to score equal with whites. But a close inspection of...
  • @namae nanka
    The third viewers are sorely needed. I wrote for them regarding the gender POV here,

    http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/15/trouble-walking-down-the-hallway/#comment-198160

    It's not good enough to just defend against environmental folks who think that blacks can reach the level of whites, they should be attacked with proof that environment actually is in favor of blacks. The difference between the two cases being that blacks actually do have low SES on the whole unlike women, but not when you compare those with similar ability level. And they're putting in more effort than whites.

    The whole narrative needs to be overturned on its head and not just wait for them to acknowledge that they have been wrong.

    Commenting partly so I can find this again later.

    You didn’t go far enough pointing out what’s nuts about that article in the Chronicle. She decided to perform the study expecting to find that women are more likely to be first author, because sexism. But she found out that women are less likely to be first author, which must also be because sexism. The article goes on and on about the second point, burying the first point until the very end.

    If your theory perfectly explains both the null hypothesis and the falsification of the null hypothesis, it ain’t science.

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  • @The most deplorable one

    I’d wager half the people randomly polled on the street would be unaware of the toxicity of lead.
     
    But not those gangbangers with their gats, eh?

    Why are poor whites not similarly plagued? Are the landlords doubly racist?

    I’m not arguing that lead is the chief cause, just that it is a factor, one among many. Sailer’s 50/50 rule of thumb is a good one here. Some causes are external, such as lead and economic policies, and some genetic.

    One aspect of the genetic angle that I rarely see discussed is the high likelihood that American blacks are the result of severe dysgenic selection pressure. Think: most slaves were prisoners of war, criminals, or other sorts of people not clever enough to escape being enslaved. They were then subjected to several centuries of having their best and brightest cut down. This might be a greater factor than whatever was in the African genome to begin with. That’s just my guess though.

    (Yes, whites were similarly plagued, which is why lead was removed from paint and gasoline, but not many now live in urban slums.)

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  • http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/things-wish-known-gaslighting/

    “The distinguishing feature between someone who gaslights and someone who doesn’t is an internalized paradigm of ownership.”

    Precious.

    Idiot curriculum in college like feminism try to compensate with power since it has no intellectual value.

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  • @Curle
    I do as well. I believe northern blacks do better than southern blacks on IQ tests. It makes sense that those blacks who had the wherewithal to remove themselves from the suboptimal conditions of the South under any period preceding the end of Jim Crow were likely more capable than those who remained behind on average. This is particularly true of those whose families relocated prior to the end of WWI when many conditions, including legal barriers erected by northern states, made migration a difficult undertaking. BTW - ever notice that the existence of large Klan chapters in northern states is never mentioned in combination with black migration patterns out of the South?

    One of my high school history teachers, a relentlessly learned man, told my class that during the Reconstruction Era one of the largest Klan chapters in the country was headquartered in Middleboro, MA.

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  • @rvg
    How does this correlate with 40% of the women in the military experiencing rape, did you retire before or after the tailhook incident? I remember that Black soldiers were involved in the Okinawa rape incident. Do white people in the military commit more rape than blacks and latinos?

    Here’s a line from a letter to the editor published in the NYT on April 10, 1990 from a female midshipman pushing back against an earlier writer’s assertion that Pat Schroeder’s proposal to put women in combat would lead to rape:

    The arguments you and several others have presented against women in combat are valid ones. But the “license to rape” issue that you mention is a problem of war and not a problem of women in war.

    I’m not sure time has supported the good midshipman on her proposition. Though, in fairness, her fear seemed to center on rape committed by the enemy.

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  • @Reg Cæsar
    When I mapped absence-of-adult-male in children's households off the 1990 census, I found that 46 states' black rate was worse than the worst white state. But the black rates for Hawaii and North Dakota were better than the best white state.

    It's not just that those states are military, they're smart military. Air Force in ND, Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard in HI.

    Also, Oahu is a prime billet. Inasmuch as servicemen have a choice, it attracts the best. In my USCG class, the top guy got Honolulu. I was second, and had to settle for NYC.

    Actually, all five services have a significant presence on Oahu. The Army has the 25th Infantry Division (Tropic Lightning) at Schofield Barracks, and the Marines have a significant aviation presence at Kaneohe Marine Corps Base. And yes, Reg, before you even say it, the Army and Marine kids are smart! These aren’t the draftees of pre-1973…

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  • @Triumph104
    I am a military brat. The parents of the black high school kids in Hawaii have made the military a career and have no problems following rules and staying on task and this is passed down to their children.

    I make it a point to not bring up IQ because it gets so many people upset (outside of this forum). I tend to blame the racial achievement gap on culture which surprisingly still gets some people upset. But yes, you are right. Once your IQ reaches a certain level, you figure out how to stay out of trouble and engage in activities that will benefit you in the future.

    How does this correlate with 40% of the women in the military experiencing rape, did you retire before or after the tailhook incident? I remember that Black soldiers were involved in the Okinawa rape incident. Do white people in the military commit more rape than blacks and latinos?

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    Here's a line from a letter to the editor published in the NYT on April 10, 1990 from a female midshipman pushing back against an earlier writer's assertion that Pat Schroeder's proposal to put women in combat would lead to rape:

    The arguments you and several others have presented against women in combat are valid ones. But the "license to rape" issue that you mention is a problem of war and not a problem of women in war.

    I'm not sure time has supported the good midshipman on her proposition. Though, in fairness, her fear seemed to center on rape committed by the enemy.
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  • @Steve Sailer
    It was a particular problem for Obama to make it sound in Dreams from My Father like Hawaii was a hotbed of anti-black prejudice, when Hawaii's blacks are near the state average on most measures that people care about because they're mostly related to the military.

    When I mapped absence-of-adult-male in children’s households off the 1990 census, I found that 46 states’ black rate was worse than the worst white state. But the black rates for Hawaii and North Dakota were better than the best white state.

    It’s not just that those states are military, they’re smart military. Air Force in ND, Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard in HI.

    Also, Oahu is a prime billet. Inasmuch as servicemen have a choice, it attracts the best. In my USCG class, the top guy got Honolulu. I was second, and had to settle for NYC.

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    Actually, all five services have a significant presence on Oahu. The Army has the 25th Infantry Division (Tropic Lightning) at Schofield Barracks, and the Marines have a significant aviation presence at Kaneohe Marine Corps Base. And yes, Reg, before you even say it, the Army and Marine kids are smart! These aren't the draftees of pre-1973...
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  • @tbraton
    "So the only viable explanation is the Conspiracy Theory Theory of Pervasive Racism: people who think they are white are constantly destroying black bodies by saying words like “field” and “swing.” Or something."

    Or something like "have a nice day," which, according to the account I read this morning in the NY Daily News, our black, gay shooter Vester Flanagan thought was racist when said by a bar's employees to departing customers:

    "The unhinged diner unleashed verbal hell on Jack Brown's Beer & Burger Joint workers after a visit about three or four months ago, criticizing them for telling customers to "have a nice day" instead of "thank you." "

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/vester-flanagan-outraged-common-phrases-racist-article-1.2340393

    Which is why I avoid phrases like "have a great day" which some may take to be "have a grate day" and rub them (or rather scrape them) the wrong way. That is why I am thinking of starting a new organization modeled after BLM which will be AWM ("All Words Matter").

    Perhaps he heard it as “have a nice gay” and found it “homophobic”.

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    I don’t understand your position on conspiracy theories. If blacks were scoring low in schools run by Turkish expatriates, would it be evidence of anything?

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  • @Triumph104
    I am a military brat. The parents of the black high school kids in Hawaii have made the military a career and have no problems following rules and staying on task and this is passed down to their children.

    I make it a point to not bring up IQ because it gets so many people upset (outside of this forum). I tend to blame the racial achievement gap on culture which surprisingly still gets some people upset. But yes, you are right. Once your IQ reaches a certain level, you figure out how to stay out of trouble and engage in activities that will benefit you in the future.

    It was a particular problem for Obama to make it sound in Dreams from My Father like Hawaii was a hotbed of anti-black prejudice, when Hawaii’s blacks are near the state average on most measures that people care about because they’re mostly related to the military.

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    When I mapped absence-of-adult-male in children's households off the 1990 census, I found that 46 states' black rate was worse than the worst white state. But the black rates for Hawaii and North Dakota were better than the best white state.

    It's not just that those states are military, they're smart military. Air Force in ND, Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard in HI.

    Also, Oahu is a prime billet. Inasmuch as servicemen have a choice, it attracts the best. In my USCG class, the top guy got Honolulu. I was second, and had to settle for NYC.
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  • @Curle
    When I lived in HI virtually all of the black males that would have been in high school (and there were very few) were there because a parent was in the military. This means that at least one of the parents of each high school age black male in HI would have passed an Armed Forces Aptitude Test which requires a higher than average (for blacks) score for admission if translated as an IQ score. I'm guessing the pool of black males of high school age in HI is higher quality than the average for that cohort nationally.

    I am a military brat. The parents of the black high school kids in Hawaii have made the military a career and have no problems following rules and staying on task and this is passed down to their children.

    I make it a point to not bring up IQ because it gets so many people upset (outside of this forum). I tend to blame the racial achievement gap on culture which surprisingly still gets some people upset. But yes, you are right. Once your IQ reaches a certain level, you figure out how to stay out of trouble and engage in activities that will benefit you in the future.

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    It was a particular problem for Obama to make it sound in Dreams from My Father like Hawaii was a hotbed of anti-black prejudice, when Hawaii's blacks are near the state average on most measures that people care about because they're mostly related to the military.
    , @rvg
    How does this correlate with 40% of the women in the military experiencing rape, did you retire before or after the tailhook incident? I remember that Black soldiers were involved in the Okinawa rape incident. Do white people in the military commit more rape than blacks and latinos?
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  • @Jonathan Mason
    A more interesting study would be whether black children raised by white parents or white families like Obama, for example, do better academically than children raised in black families in the same communities and schools.

    My impression here in Florida is that while inherited IQ probably does play a part in black low achievement this is overwhelmed by the effect of social pressures, poor child raising practices, and so on. For example a child whose parents have a very restricted vocabulary that has few literary or scientific words is probably going to be off to a slow start in the education system.

    I have a bit of a dog in this fight as I have a black step-daughter and daughter aged 6 and 2 and would like them to be able to get decent jobs later on, or marry into wealth. So far they are both bilingual in English and Spanish and enjoy going to school. Right now they are trying hard to convert me to Christianity. Hopefully they will not be doomed to a life of penury in the ghetto, God willing.

    You would think that there would be an adoption study where black babies are adopted in the first month of life and raised by whites, but I have never seen a study like that.

    I agree with you about social pressure/culture. The worst thing many parents do to their black children is send them to school. In order to survive emotionally and sometimes physically, kids have to conform to the values of their peers.

    Learn about the schools in your area. Usually there is a selective school or magnet school that is highly ranked. Make sure your children do well academically so that they can attend a top middle school or high school and be surrounded academically motivated peers.

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  • @Triumph104
    The states with the highest high school graduation rates for black males tend to be the states with very low black percentages in the population. In other words, once blacks get away from other blacks they do fine academically.

    States with the highest black male graduation rates, highest is Maine at 90%.
    1. Maine
    2. Idaho
    3. Arizona
    4. South Dakota
    5. New Jersey
    6. Montana
    7. Hawaii
    8. New Hampshire
    9. Tennessee
    10. Colorado

    White males in Maine have a graduation rate of 80%. http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/state-graduation-data/

    When I lived in HI virtually all of the black males that would have been in high school (and there were very few) were there because a parent was in the military. This means that at least one of the parents of each high school age black male in HI would have passed an Armed Forces Aptitude Test which requires a higher than average (for blacks) score for admission if translated as an IQ score. I’m guessing the pool of black males of high school age in HI is higher quality than the average for that cohort nationally.

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    I am a military brat. The parents of the black high school kids in Hawaii have made the military a career and have no problems following rules and staying on task and this is passed down to their children.

    I make it a point to not bring up IQ because it gets so many people upset (outside of this forum). I tend to blame the racial achievement gap on culture which surprisingly still gets some people upset. But yes, you are right. Once your IQ reaches a certain level, you figure out how to stay out of trouble and engage in activities that will benefit you in the future.

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  • @D. K.
    Disgruntled employees do not generally wait around town for just over two and a half years after their firings, before "exploding" in rage at the supposed injustice. They also tend to take out their revenge against the people who actually fired them, or those who otherwise had caused them to get fired, not against former interns who subsequently succeeded where they had failed.

    Regardless, the murderous Black homosexual suicide at issue made clear in his "manifesto" that it was his hatred of Whites, especially White women, and heterosexuals that was his motivation in killing his two murder victims, along with shooting a sixty-two-year-old White woman, who was a total stranger to him, in the back, and presumably leaving her for dead; he was answering for the earlier massacre, by his own explicit admission, and likewise hoping to ignite a race war in America.

    As for the Charlotte killer, he had close Black friends, who did not consider him to be a racist. Your supposed "reports" implying that he killed nine Black churchgoers because of an unrequited crush on a girl who instead chose to date a Black guy is ridiculous. His own "manifesto" explained why he chose to do what he did. In short, he learned that politically correct pieties and the racial realities have next to nothing in common. Most crime, most violent crime, and most interracial crime, in the United States, find Black folk as the perpetrators, with White-on-Black crime being unusual, and especially so after filtering out Hispanics and non-European Whites from the White category. If White racists are always sexually inadequate, as you anti-racists are always claiming, why is it that Blacks commit such a high proportion of rapes, and the overwhelming majority of interracial rapes, in the United States. White-on-Black rapes are close to nonexistent.

    Let us assume, despite all of the above, however, that you, by sheer happenstance, are correct, and Steve Sailer, in his heart of hearts, is an unmitigated racist: So what?!? How does that change the statistics reported in this blog post, let alone a century of IQ testing, or thousands of years of direct experience? Would Steve Sailer's being the Grand Wizard of the Los Angeles Ku Klux Klan explain why the most-privileged Blacks, in terms of socio-economic status, end up performing as if they were the least-privileged Whites, whether on measures of academic achievement or on IQ tests themselves?

    In the black gay former male prostitute’s twitter account it was seen that the cameraman filed an HR complaint against him the first day they worked together, most likely sexual harassment.

    Being ugly, black and over 40 is a bad combination for gay social life.

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  • @bjdubbs
    Good story by WaPo about Katrina refugees in Nebraska that confirms Sailer's theory of blacks being better off outside NO and the ethos of letting the good times roll. The parents aren't better off but the kids are doing much better in Nebraska.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2015/08/29/youre-one-of-us-now/

    But how has Nebraska fared with taking the 3rd world scum. Being born in a corn field doesn’t make them as smart as whites, if it did they would try to be born in a rice paddy to get the 1 out of 50 chance to get a perfect math SAT like Asian boys.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    "I’d also suggest the immigration pressure on Europe is an effort to redomicile this excess population (in service of the same economic interests)."

    That's pretty interesting.

    It's not uncommon down through history to have a farm population making a marginal living off land that can be more profitably turned to other uses, and then being driven to emigrate by insiders cashing in on the land. The most famous example are the Enclosures in Britain, but NAFTA's destruction of small corn farmers in Mexico is a more recent instance.

    Africa is an enormous amount of land that hasn't been fully exploited for economic benefit. Galton suggested about 130 years ago that the Chinese would make far more off African land than Africans would. But now there are a billion Africans so they have to be redomiciled somewhere if the Africa is to be fully exploited.

    Don’t forget:
    “The 5th president of Zambia Michael Sata said “We want the Chinese to leave and the old colonial rulers to return. They exploited our natural recourses too, but at least they took good care of us. They built schools, taught us their language and brought us British civilization. At least western capitalism has a human face; the Chinese are only out to exploit us.”

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  • @Jefferson
    I wonder what percentage of the Black population in the U.S will try to sue either an individual White person or a White owned business at least once in their lifetime? It is the ghetto lottery for Black people. A lot of Blacks dream of one day becoming wealthy off of claiming false racial discrimination.

    While working at an inner city hospital I wondered why blacks only seemed to fall in businesses but never at home.

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  • @jimmyriddle
    In Britain the charity the Spastics Society changed their name to the post-modern Scope, because kids were using "spas" as an insult. Of course, in no time the tykes started using "scoper" instead.

    As a Tyke, I resent this denigratory use of the term to demean all those born in Yorkshire. Captain Cook will be turning in his grave, spasmodically, (or was he eaten by Hawaiians, I forget?) and so will Emily Bronte.

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  • @Triumph104
    The states with the highest high school graduation rates for black males tend to be the states with very low black percentages in the population. In other words, once blacks get away from other blacks they do fine academically.

    States with the highest black male graduation rates, highest is Maine at 90%.
    1. Maine
    2. Idaho
    3. Arizona
    4. South Dakota
    5. New Jersey
    6. Montana
    7. Hawaii
    8. New Hampshire
    9. Tennessee
    10. Colorado

    White males in Maine have a graduation rate of 80%. http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/state-graduation-data/

    A more interesting study would be whether black children raised by white parents or white families like Obama, for example, do better academically than children raised in black families in the same communities and schools.

    My impression here in Florida is that while inherited IQ probably does play a part in black low achievement this is overwhelmed by the effect of social pressures, poor child raising practices, and so on. For example a child whose parents have a very restricted vocabulary that has few literary or scientific words is probably going to be off to a slow start in the education system.

    I have a bit of a dog in this fight as I have a black step-daughter and daughter aged 6 and 2 and would like them to be able to get decent jobs later on, or marry into wealth. So far they are both bilingual in English and Spanish and enjoy going to school. Right now they are trying hard to convert me to Christianity. Hopefully they will not be doomed to a life of penury in the ghetto, God willing.

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    You would think that there would be an adoption study where black babies are adopted in the first month of life and raised by whites, but I have never seen a study like that.

    I agree with you about social pressure/culture. The worst thing many parents do to their black children is send them to school. In order to survive emotionally and sometimes physically, kids have to conform to the values of their peers.

    Learn about the schools in your area. Usually there is a selective school or magnet school that is highly ranked. Make sure your children do well academically so that they can attend a top middle school or high school and be surrounded academically motivated peers.
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  • @D. K.
    Your conclusion about Blacks largely isolated from other Blacks assumes a fact not in evidence: that the Blacks in Maine are otherwise identical, starting out, to Blacks elsewhere in the United States. I find that a rather dubious presumption.

    I do as well. I believe northern blacks do better than southern blacks on IQ tests. It makes sense that those blacks who had the wherewithal to remove themselves from the suboptimal conditions of the South under any period preceding the end of Jim Crow were likely more capable than those who remained behind on average. This is particularly true of those whose families relocated prior to the end of WWI when many conditions, including legal barriers erected by northern states, made migration a difficult undertaking. BTW – ever notice that the existence of large Klan chapters in northern states is never mentioned in combination with black migration patterns out of the South?

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    One of my high school history teachers, a relentlessly learned man, told my class that during the Reconstruction Era one of the largest Klan chapters in the country was headquartered in Middleboro, MA.
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  • Another item from the NY Daily News:

    “Alabama man kills woman after Sunday dinner with her family: cops”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ala-man-kills-woman-dinner-family-cops-article-1.2340398

    Maybe they made the huge mistake of serving him fried chicken AND watermelon. But probably not since the shooter and the slain woman were both black, and, like use of the infamous N____ word, there is an exception in the black code for blacks serving other blacks fried chicken and watermelon without any racial connotations whatsoever because they both taste so good.

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  • @Triumph104
    The states with the highest high school graduation rates for black males tend to be the states with very low black percentages in the population. In other words, once blacks get away from other blacks they do fine academically.

    States with the highest black male graduation rates, highest is Maine at 90%.
    1. Maine
    2. Idaho
    3. Arizona
    4. South Dakota
    5. New Jersey
    6. Montana
    7. Hawaii
    8. New Hampshire
    9. Tennessee
    10. Colorado

    White males in Maine have a graduation rate of 80%. http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/state-graduation-data/

    Your conclusion about Blacks largely isolated from other Blacks assumes a fact not in evidence: that the Blacks in Maine are otherwise identical, starting out, to Blacks elsewhere in the United States. I find that a rather dubious presumption.

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    I do as well. I believe northern blacks do better than southern blacks on IQ tests. It makes sense that those blacks who had the wherewithal to remove themselves from the suboptimal conditions of the South under any period preceding the end of Jim Crow were likely more capable than those who remained behind on average. This is particularly true of those whose families relocated prior to the end of WWI when many conditions, including legal barriers erected by northern states, made migration a difficult undertaking. BTW - ever notice that the existence of large Klan chapters in northern states is never mentioned in combination with black migration patterns out of the South?
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  • Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Gurney Halleck
    Steve: You are a racist. Why were you not eager to cover the Dylan Roof murder spree but were all too eager to cover the Roanoke shootings? You are a hateful white nationalist.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/darren-goforth-killing-sheriff-cites-black-lives-matter-movement/

    Sailer the ‘racist’ has remained mum about this incident for some reason.

    Tale of two Darrens. Wilson who defended himself from being sacked and pounded by a gentle giant built like a NFL lineman.

    And Darren Goforth who just pumping gas.

    Maybe he looked like a watermelon from the back.

    From trigger alerts to pulling triggers.

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  • @Brutusale
    Gurney Halleck was a professional soldier/weapons instructor, as well as a skilled musician, in Frank Herbert's classic SF novel, Dune.

    The real Gurney Halleck would kick this puling weenie's ass.

    When I was a young lawyer, my firm represented Herbert’s kids against their step-mother, in a contest over the will, which gave almost everything to the young widow, who had recently married the old man.

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  • “So the only viable explanation is the Conspiracy Theory Theory of Pervasive Racism: people who think they are white are constantly destroying black bodies by saying words like “field” and “swing.” Or something.”

    Or something like “have a nice day,” which, according to the account I read this morning in the NY Daily News, our black, gay shooter Vester Flanagan thought was racist when said by a bar’s employees to departing customers:

    “The unhinged diner unleashed verbal hell on Jack Brown’s Beer & Burger Joint workers after a visit about three or four months ago, criticizing them for telling customers to “have a nice day” instead of “thank you.” ”

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/vester-flanagan-outraged-common-phrases-racist-article-1.2340393

    Which is why I avoid phrases like “have a great day” which some may take to be “have a grate day” and rub them (or rather scrape them) the wrong way. That is why I am thinking of starting a new organization modeled after BLM which will be AWM (“All Words Matter”).

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    Perhaps he heard it as "have a nice gay" and found it "homophobic".
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  • @theo the kraut
    OT, a little--the word "migrant" is raciss, too, as of now:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34061097

    The battle over the words used to describe migrants

    Images of people scrambling over barbed wire fences in Calais or crossing the Mediterranean in fishing boats have dominated the media over the last few months. And a debate has even emerged about the very words used to describe people.
    ...
    News website al-Jazeera has decided it will not use migrant and "will instead, where appropriate, say refugee". An online editor for the network wrote: "It has evolved from its dictionary definitions into a tool that dehumanises and distances, a blunt pejorative." A Washington Post piece asked if it was time to ditch the word.
     

    In Britain the charity the Spastics Society changed their name to the post-modern Scope, because kids were using “spas” as an insult. Of course, in no time the tykes started using “scoper” instead.

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    As a Tyke, I resent this denigratory use of the term to demean all those born in Yorkshire. Captain Cook will be turning in his grave, spasmodically, (or was he eaten by Hawaiians, I forget?) and so will Emily Bronte.
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  • @Reg Cæsar
    Never mind him. His name is Gurney-- as in the thing on which so many AIDS patients took their last breath.

    I thought "Vester" was bad enough. But "Gurney"?

    Gurney Halleck was a professional soldier/weapons instructor, as well as a skilled musician, in Frank Herbert’s classic SF novel, Dune.

    The real Gurney Halleck would kick this puling weenie’s ass.

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    When I was a young lawyer, my firm represented Herbert's kids against their step-mother, in a contest over the will, which gave almost everything to the young widow, who had recently married the old man.
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  • WhatEvvs [AKA "Aamirkhanfan"] says:
    @D. K.
    Disgruntled employees do not generally wait around town for just over two and a half years after their firings, before "exploding" in rage at the supposed injustice. They also tend to take out their revenge against the people who actually fired them, or those who otherwise had caused them to get fired, not against former interns who subsequently succeeded where they had failed.

    Regardless, the murderous Black homosexual suicide at issue made clear in his "manifesto" that it was his hatred of Whites, especially White women, and heterosexuals that was his motivation in killing his two murder victims, along with shooting a sixty-two-year-old White woman, who was a total stranger to him, in the back, and presumably leaving her for dead; he was answering for the earlier massacre, by his own explicit admission, and likewise hoping to ignite a race war in America.

    As for the Charlotte killer, he had close Black friends, who did not consider him to be a racist. Your supposed "reports" implying that he killed nine Black churchgoers because of an unrequited crush on a girl who instead chose to date a Black guy is ridiculous. His own "manifesto" explained why he chose to do what he did. In short, he learned that politically correct pieties and the racial realities have next to nothing in common. Most crime, most violent crime, and most interracial crime, in the United States, find Black folk as the perpetrators, with White-on-Black crime being unusual, and especially so after filtering out Hispanics and non-European Whites from the White category. If White racists are always sexually inadequate, as you anti-racists are always claiming, why is it that Blacks commit such a high proportion of rapes, and the overwhelming majority of interracial rapes, in the United States. White-on-Black rapes are close to nonexistent.

    Let us assume, despite all of the above, however, that you, by sheer happenstance, are correct, and Steve Sailer, in his heart of hearts, is an unmitigated racist: So what?!? How does that change the statistics reported in this blog post, let alone a century of IQ testing, or thousands of years of direct experience? Would Steve Sailer's being the Grand Wizard of the Los Angeles Ku Klux Klan explain why the most-privileged Blacks, in terms of socio-economic status, end up performing as if they were the least-privileged Whites, whether on measures of academic achievement or on IQ tests themselves?

    I discovered by accident that he shot the murder victims in the head. This has not been much highlighted.

    latimes.com/nation/la-na-virginia-journalists-20150828-story.html

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  • WhatEvvs [AKA "Aamirkhanfan"] says:
    @dearieme
    I'd guess that he's Canadian, on the grounds that Canadians tend to sound a bit like Americans, but better.

    What do British people call Emma Thompson’s nasal whine?

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  • @Reg Cæsar
    Just out of curiosity, what are the odds that two of the white perpetrators of mass shootings in the last 20 years would be named "Dylan"?

    Just out of curiosity, what are the odds that two of the white perpetrators of mass shootings in the last 20 years would be named “Dylan”?

    The odds that two of them would be named Dylan might be low, but the odds that two of them would have the same name might be surprisingly high:

    In probability theory, the birthday problem or birthday paradox[1] concerns the probability that, in a set of n randomly chosen people, some pair of them will have the same birthday. By the pigeonhole principle, the probability reaches 100% when the number of people reaches 367 (since there are 366 possible birthdays, including February 29). However, 99.9% probability is reached with just 70 people, and 50% probability with 23 people.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Gurney Halleck
    Steve: You are a racist. Why were you not eager to cover the Dylan Roof murder spree but were all too eager to cover the Roanoke shootings? You are a hateful white nationalist.

    “Why were you not eager to cover the Dylan Roof murder spree but were all too eager to cover the Roanoke shootings?”

    Fair point but I don’t think Sailer contested that Roof is evil and crazy, a point made by the media and exploited to the point of calling a jihad on the southern flag.

    But the media seem to be eager to flush Flanny down the memory hole.

    One diff between Roof and Flanny.

    Much of Roof’s gripes was grounded in the reality of black-on-white crime even if his act was crazy, but Flanny’s war with the hide-and-seek watermelon gang sounds totally ludicrous.
    Yet, he’s on the same wavelength as the PC culture that hallucinates KKK at Oberlin and Nazi rapists at UVA. Roof acted insane with sane facts, but Flanny acted insane with insane falsehoods.
    Yet, guess which one of the two were more aligned with current PC.

    I wonder. Did Flanny believe in the Invasion of the Body Snatchers scenario where white people place watermelons next to sleeping Negroes who then hatch out of the melons as uncle toms?

    PC is like the madness in ATTACK OF THE MUSHROOM PEOPLE. With Flanny, it was the Watermelon People.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @anon
    At 37:52, Stefan Molyneux talks about your theory (without naming you) on the housing crash.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQad4ZUT1H8

    “At 37:52, Stefan Molyneux talks about your theory (without naming you) on the housing crash.”

    Not quite.

    Sailer revised his theory.

    He argued that the amount of government-enforced requirements on home loans could not have led to the super bubble.

    Rather, the banks exploited the idea of ‘ownership society’ and cooked up schemes of lending that greatly expanded home loans way beyond the amount dictated by government.

    Financial instruments ensured huge short-term profits by packaging and selling loans as derivatives.
    Once that was possible, Wall Street saw massive increase in loans as a golden opportunity to rake in megabucks.

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  • @jimmyriddle
    Do they celebrate Kill Haole Day?

    No. That’s a public school thing, or was.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:
    @Gurney Halleck
    Steve: You are a racist. Why were you not eager to cover the Dylan Roof murder spree but were all too eager to cover the Roanoke shootings? You are a hateful white nationalist.

    “Steve: You are a racist.”

    But I’m the only true race-ist.

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  • Hm. This is more direct evidence, but it’s from 1992:

    https://againstjebelallawz.wordpress.com/2015/08/08/euro-americans-iq-beyond-achievement/

    If this data is reliable, the Asian-White gap within educational levels seems to have narrowed and that with Blacks have widened. Wonder why that is…

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The subtitle of this post should be: Why Django Matters

    If we have a culture, the majority of whom aren’t that literate, getting their history lessons from Django, 12 Years a Slave, and the NWA movie, and watching it over and over again at home, the chances of random acts of violence towards those who are showcased as the antagonists of these movies, will rise significantly.

    I went to the SAG screening of Django. Afterwards, my friend asked me what I thought of the movie. I said, “this movie is going to get a lot of black people, and some white people killed.” He said, “naw, naw. it’s just entertainment.” I said, “That’s easy for you to say. The black folks living in the shitholes of this country, who barely have a clue of what to do next, who barely graduated high school are going to think it’s a documentary, and they’re going to pay for it, not you. They’ll pay for it by confronting cops for no good reason, which will get them shot, or attacking white people, which brings the cops, which will get them shot or in prison. Just sayin’.”

    I can remind my friend now, what I said back then, and y’know what he does? He just gets quiet, and tries to change the subject.

    He’ll never say “you know, you’re right. Django is a devisive mean-spirited piece of shit, that exploits the ignorance of black people for coin, and it’s getting them killed.”

    Why should he sweat it? That was back then. “The Hateful Eight” is about to be released, and it should kick ass, because Tarantino!

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  • OT, a little–the word “migrant” is raciss, too, as of now:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34061097

    The battle over the words used to describe migrants

    Images of people scrambling over barbed wire fences in Calais or crossing the Mediterranean in fishing boats have dominated the media over the last few months. And a debate has even emerged about the very words used to describe people.

    News website al-Jazeera has decided it will not use migrant and “will instead, where appropriate, say refugee”. An online editor for the network wrote: “It has evolved from its dictionary definitions into a tool that dehumanises and distances, a blunt pejorative.” A Washington Post piece asked if it was time to ditch the word.

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    In Britain the charity the Spastics Society changed their name to the post-modern Scope, because kids were using "spas" as an insult. Of course, in no time the tykes started using "scoper" instead.
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  • Analysis: Blacks in Madison arrested at more than 10 times rate of whites

    Most Hispanics are instead counted as white in the national data.

    African-Americans, meanwhile, wound up in handcuffs at a rate of 27.6 arrests per 100 residents each year — more than 10 times the rate of whites. Hispanics were also more likely than whites to be arrested.

    http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime_and_courts/analysis-blacks-in-madison-arrested-at-more-than-times-rate/article_fd52f630-9647-5541-8114-a2541b8a8924.html

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  • @Curle
    I would assume that alums Buster Crabbe (Tarzan, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers) and Al Harrington (Hawaii 5-0) were better known. The list of distinguished alumni is long and includes Hiram Bingham (US Senator and discoverer of Machu Picchu), Samuel Armstrong (defender of Cemetery Ridge at Gettysburg), John W. Garner (Director of HEW) and Jonah Kūhiō Kalanianaʻole (Hawaiian prince and delegate to the US House of Representatives from Hawaii). Wealthy alums include two grandchildren and heirs of Democrat presidential nominee and later newspaper baron James M. Cox (lost to Harding) and Steve Case among others.

    The year Obama graduated Punahou sent 30 of his classmates to Stanford making it the single largest supplier of freshmen to that school (if such stories are true). The school was at that time almost evenly divided between Haoles (whites) and Asians. The school remains well known in elite academic circles.

    Do they celebrate Kill Haole Day?

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    No. That's a public school thing, or was.
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  • @Harold

    parental taciturnity
     
    Very droll.

    parental taciturnity

    Very droll.

    OK. I’ll play: Learned laconicism.

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  • @Lefty Lawyer
    This still leaves open the nature or nurture questions.

    No question modern American popular Black culture is toxic to learning and achievement. Black kids get picked on by other Black kids if they do too well in school or "talk white." If you're a Black kid, even if your parents are college graduates, you are still subjected to this cultural milieu.

    On the other hand, if you are a Black kid with college graduate parents and are sent to an elite high school (Punahou perhaps) and have zero connection with Black culture (and zero connection with your one Black parent) we know that you can do quite well.

    The states with the highest high school graduation rates for black males tend to be the states with very low black percentages in the population. In other words, once blacks get away from other blacks they do fine academically.

    States with the highest black male graduation rates, highest is Maine at 90%.
    1. Maine
    2. Idaho
    3. Arizona
    4. South Dakota
    5. New Jersey
    6. Montana
    7. Hawaii
    8. New Hampshire
    9. Tennessee
    10. Colorado

    White males in Maine have a graduation rate of 80%. http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/state-graduation-data/

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    Your conclusion about Blacks largely isolated from other Blacks assumes a fact not in evidence: that the Blacks in Maine are otherwise identical, starting out, to Blacks elsewhere in the United States. I find that a rather dubious presumption.
    , @Jonathan Mason
    A more interesting study would be whether black children raised by white parents or white families like Obama, for example, do better academically than children raised in black families in the same communities and schools.

    My impression here in Florida is that while inherited IQ probably does play a part in black low achievement this is overwhelmed by the effect of social pressures, poor child raising practices, and so on. For example a child whose parents have a very restricted vocabulary that has few literary or scientific words is probably going to be off to a slow start in the education system.

    I have a bit of a dog in this fight as I have a black step-daughter and daughter aged 6 and 2 and would like them to be able to get decent jobs later on, or marry into wealth. So far they are both bilingual in English and Spanish and enjoy going to school. Right now they are trying hard to convert me to Christianity. Hopefully they will not be doomed to a life of penury in the ghetto, God willing.

    , @Curle
    When I lived in HI virtually all of the black males that would have been in high school (and there were very few) were there because a parent was in the military. This means that at least one of the parents of each high school age black male in HI would have passed an Armed Forces Aptitude Test which requires a higher than average (for blacks) score for admission if translated as an IQ score. I'm guessing the pool of black males of high school age in HI is higher quality than the average for that cohort nationally.
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  • @Reg Cæsar

    sent to an elite high school (Punahou perhaps) and have zero connection with Black culture
     
    When Barry came to the mainland, perhaps the Punahou graduates thus far best-known on the mainland were two-thirds of the Kingston Trio.

    Despite their name (after the Jamaican capital), how white can you get?

    I would assume that alums Buster Crabbe (Tarzan, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers) and Al Harrington (Hawaii 5-0) were better known. The list of distinguished alumni is long and includes Hiram Bingham (US Senator and discoverer of Machu Picchu), Samuel Armstrong (defender of Cemetery Ridge at Gettysburg), John W. Garner (Director of HEW) and Jonah Kūhiō Kalanianaʻole (Hawaiian prince and delegate to the US House of Representatives from Hawaii). Wealthy alums include two grandchildren and heirs of Democrat presidential nominee and later newspaper baron James M. Cox (lost to Harding) and Steve Case among others.

    The year Obama graduated Punahou sent 30 of his classmates to Stanford making it the single largest supplier of freshmen to that school (if such stories are true). The school was at that time almost evenly divided between Haoles (whites) and Asians. The school remains well known in elite academic circles.

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    Do they celebrate Kill Haole Day?
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  • @Kylie
    Love it! Guinness and Price were brilliant, as they were in Tunes of Glory.

    Perhaps viewing “Kind Hearts and Coronets” (1949) was actually what motivated Vester II (a.k.a. ‘Bryce Williams’) to wait just over two and a half years to “explode” in righteous indignation at his unjust treatment, and ultimate firing, by WDBJ!?!?!

    “As in an old Italian proverb: revenge is the dish which people of taste prefer to eat cold.”
    –’Louis Mazzini’ [Dennis Price]

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    Love it! Guinness and Price were brilliant, as they were in Tunes of Glory.

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    Perhaps viewing "Kind Hearts and Coronets" (1949) was actually what motivated Vester II (a.k.a. 'Bryce Williams') to wait just over two and a half years to "explode" in righteous indignation at his unjust treatment, and ultimate firing, by WDBJ!?!?!

    "As in an old Italian proverb: revenge is the dish which people of taste prefer to eat cold."
    --'Louis Mazzini' [Dennis Price]
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  • @Gurney Halleck
    It's not an excuse -- this Roanoke murder is as likely a case of disgruntled employee violently lashing out as it is a case of racism. You racist white nationalists are trying to spin this episode into one of pure race hatred, like the Dylan Hunt shooting, which you guys weren't eager to discuss and which clearly was the result of race hatred. Also: there were reports that a girl Dylan Roof liked dated a black guy.

    Your special pleading is a repugnant as it is pathetic: How desperately you want the Roanoke killer to be a “disgruntled employee” despite the mountain of evidence in the killer’s own words that he sought revenge for Charleston and wanted to start a race war, that his paranoia caused him to interpret the word “field” – as in “reporter in the field” – as a sly racist allusion to “cotton fields.” That is, by his own account, he was motivated by race and a desire for racial revenge. And the only reason that you cannot accept this fact is because the perpetrator is black, and hence a forbidden thought.

    Yet oddly, by your account Dylan Roof, the white man motivated by “pure race hatred” (a fact, by the way, that no one on this blog, to my knowledge, has ever disputed) may or may not have had some sort of romantic disappointment as a motive. Is not romantic disappointment a motive in many killings? Does this assertion of yours not undermine your assertion of pure race hatred as the motive? I point this out only to underline the contradictions and fallacies that undermine your assertions. I find it about as plausible as the Roanoke killer being a disgruntled employee.

    But this is all you have, isn’t it? A retreat into a kind of silly make-believe with good SJWs on one side and nasty iSteve readers on the other when confronted by uncomfortable facts – hence those who don’t wish to entertain the notion that Vester Flanagan was just another “disgruntled employee” are transformed by your magic brush into “racist white nationalists,” as though anyone who heeded Flanagan’s own words could be anything else. You need to get out of your bubble. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

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  • @Gurney Halleck
    It's not an excuse -- this Roanoke murder is as likely a case of disgruntled employee violently lashing out as it is a case of racism. You racist white nationalists are trying to spin this episode into one of pure race hatred, like the Dylan Hunt shooting, which you guys weren't eager to discuss and which clearly was the result of race hatred. Also: there were reports that a girl Dylan Roof liked dated a black guy.

    Disgruntled employees do not generally wait around town for just over two and a half years after their firings, before “exploding” in rage at the supposed injustice. They also tend to take out their revenge against the people who actually fired them, or those who otherwise had caused them to get fired, not against former interns who subsequently succeeded where they had failed.

    Regardless, the murderous Black homosexual suicide at issue made clear in his “manifesto” that it was his hatred of Whites, especially White women, and heterosexuals that was his motivation in killing his two murder victims, along with shooting a sixty-two-year-old White woman, who was a total stranger to him, in the back, and presumably leaving her for dead; he was answering for the earlier massacre, by his own explicit admission, and likewise hoping to ignite a race war in America.

    As for the Charlotte killer, he had close Black friends, who did not consider him to be a racist. Your supposed “reports” implying that he killed nine Black churchgoers because of an unrequited crush on a girl who instead chose to date a Black guy is ridiculous. His own “manifesto” explained why he chose to do what he did. In short, he learned that politically correct pieties and the racial realities have next to nothing in common. Most crime, most violent crime, and most interracial crime, in the United States, find Black folk as the perpetrators, with White-on-Black crime being unusual, and especially so after filtering out Hispanics and non-European Whites from the White category. If White racists are always sexually inadequate, as you anti-racists are always claiming, why is it that Blacks commit such a high proportion of rapes, and the overwhelming majority of interracial rapes, in the United States. White-on-Black rapes are close to nonexistent.

    Let us assume, despite all of the above, however, that you, by sheer happenstance, are correct, and Steve Sailer, in his heart of hearts, is an unmitigated racist: So what?!? How does that change the statistics reported in this blog post, let alone a century of IQ testing, or thousands of years of direct experience? Would Steve Sailer’s being the Grand Wizard of the Los Angeles Ku Klux Klan explain why the most-privileged Blacks, in terms of socio-economic status, end up performing as if they were the least-privileged Whites, whether on measures of academic achievement or on IQ tests themselves?

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    I discovered by accident that he shot the murder victims in the head. This has not been much highlighted.

    latimes.com/nation/la-na-virginia-journalists-20150828-story.html
    , @BigGaySteve
    In the black gay former male prostitute's twitter account it was seen that the cameraman filed an HR complaint against him the first day they worked together, most likely sexual harassment.

    Being ugly, black and over 40 is a bad combination for gay social life.
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  • Just out of curiosity, what are the odds that two of the white perpetrators of mass shootings in the last 20 years would be named “Dylan”?

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  • @Gurney Halleck
    It's not an excuse -- this Roanoke murder is as likely a case of disgruntled employee violently lashing out as it is a case of racism. You racist white nationalists are trying to spin this episode into one of pure race hatred, like the Dylan Hunt shooting, which you guys weren't eager to discuss and which clearly was the result of race hatred. Also: there were reports that a girl Dylan Roof liked dated a black guy.

    It’s not an excuse — this Roanoke murder is as likely a case of disgruntled employee violently lashing out as it is a case of racism

    Hell hath no fury like a spurned homo, either. If you want to argue that the guy was nuts, well, there it is.

    …you guys weren’t eager to discuss and which clearly was the result of race hatred. Also: there were reports that a girl Dylan Roof liked dated a black guy.

    Dylann Roof (note the girlish spelling) also had a black drinking buddy. His race hatred, however real, was clearly a part-time affair. Bipolar, you might say.

    (Did Roof want to date the girl, or the black guy?)

    Just as the favorite adjective of those who hate the Catholic Church is “antichoice”, the favorite term of those who really despise blacks is “homophobic”.

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  • anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Gurney Halleck
    It's not an excuse -- this Roanoke murder is as likely a case of disgruntled employee violently lashing out as it is a case of racism. You racist white nationalists are trying to spin this episode into one of pure race hatred, like the Dylan Hunt shooting, which you guys weren't eager to discuss and which clearly was the result of race hatred. Also: there were reports that a girl Dylan Roof liked dated a black guy.

    You racist white nationalists are trying to spin this episode into one of pure race hatred,

    Actually, we’re not. We’re pointing out that his murder was inspired by “anti-racism” and by the notion that black people are the constant victims of racist microaggressions, which is the exact point of view that has been fomented by the media and persons such as yourself.

    There’s not much point in accusing us of “spinning” it that way, since that’s exactly the way the shooter “spun” it in his manifesto.

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  • @Lefty Lawyer
    This still leaves open the nature or nurture questions.

    No question modern American popular Black culture is toxic to learning and achievement. Black kids get picked on by other Black kids if they do too well in school or "talk white." If you're a Black kid, even if your parents are college graduates, you are still subjected to this cultural milieu.

    On the other hand, if you are a Black kid with college graduate parents and are sent to an elite high school (Punahou perhaps) and have zero connection with Black culture (and zero connection with your one Black parent) we know that you can do quite well.

    sent to an elite high school (Punahou perhaps) and have zero connection with Black culture

    When Barry came to the mainland, perhaps the Punahou graduates thus far best-known on the mainland were two-thirds of the Kingston Trio.

    Despite their name (after the Jamaican capital), how white can you get?

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    I would assume that alums Buster Crabbe (Tarzan, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers) and Al Harrington (Hawaii 5-0) were better known. The list of distinguished alumni is long and includes Hiram Bingham (US Senator and discoverer of Machu Picchu), Samuel Armstrong (defender of Cemetery Ridge at Gettysburg), John W. Garner (Director of HEW) and Jonah Kūhiō Kalanianaʻole (Hawaiian prince and delegate to the US House of Representatives from Hawaii). Wealthy alums include two grandchildren and heirs of Democrat presidential nominee and later newspaper baron James M. Cox (lost to Harding) and Steve Case among others.

    The year Obama graduated Punahou sent 30 of his classmates to Stanford making it the single largest supplier of freshmen to that school (if such stories are true). The school was at that time almost evenly divided between Haoles (whites) and Asians. The school remains well known in elite academic circles.
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  • @Frosted Flake

    ...all this despite the fact that the Roanoke case is more likely a case of disgruntled employee taking it out on former co-workers where as the Dylan Roof case was the result of pure racial resentment (and perhaps the shooter’s sexual failings.)
     
    Ah, the mind of the SJW in action. The black lunatic murdering scumbag was "most likely" just "a disgruntled employee," set off by all those microaggressions in the workplace: you know, words like "swing" or watermelon-flavored Slurpees, and hence maybe not fully justified really but understandable. Who wouldn't be set off, under the circumstances? And who wouldn't fax off a 32-page manifesto after the murders in which the poor disgruntled employee claimed he was only trying to start a race war. That's not "pure racial resentment," is it? Or, in any case, apparently not pure enough.

    But you're not quite done yet, are you? The white lunatic was "perhaps" motivated by his "sexual failings"; so even though the black homosexual lunatic's apartment was well-stocked with not very clean sex toys with which he frequently fucked himself in the ass, this is an incidental matter slated for rainbow-colored celebrations, not a factor in the killer's misery or his motives.

    You probably didn't notice, being preoccupied as you are with your own righteous indignation, but people generally read this blog as an antidote to the kind of bullshit that you're peddling - that is, selectively making excuses and accusing anyone who rejects the MSM-approved one-sided narrative as a racist. From my own admittedly inadequate vantage the only difference is that the white lunatic murdering scumbag didn't know his victims and the black one did, but that there was more than enough "pure racial resentment" to go around.

    It’s not an excuse — this Roanoke murder is as likely a case of disgruntled employee violently lashing out as it is a case of racism. You racist white nationalists are trying to spin this episode into one of pure race hatred, like the Dylan Hunt shooting, which you guys weren’t eager to discuss and which clearly was the result of race hatred. Also: there were reports that a girl Dylan Roof liked dated a black guy.

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    You racist white nationalists are trying to spin this episode into one of pure race hatred,
     
    Actually, we're not. We're pointing out that his murder was inspired by "anti-racism" and by the notion that black people are the constant victims of racist microaggressions, which is the exact point of view that has been fomented by the media and persons such as yourself.

    There's not much point in accusing us of "spinning" it that way, since that's exactly the way the shooter "spun" it in his manifesto.

    , @Reg Cæsar

    It’s not an excuse — this Roanoke murder is as likely a case of disgruntled employee violently lashing out as it is a case of racism
     
    Hell hath no fury like a spurned homo, either. If you want to argue that the guy was nuts, well, there it is.

    …you guys weren’t eager to discuss and which clearly was the result of race hatred. Also: there were reports that a girl Dylan Roof liked dated a black guy.
     
    Dylann Roof (note the girlish spelling) also had a black drinking buddy. His race hatred, however real, was clearly a part-time affair. Bipolar, you might say.

    (Did Roof want to date the girl, or the black guy?)

    Just as the favorite adjective of those who hate the Catholic Church is "antichoice", the favorite term of those who really despise blacks is "homophobic".

    , @D. K.
    Disgruntled employees do not generally wait around town for just over two and a half years after their firings, before "exploding" in rage at the supposed injustice. They also tend to take out their revenge against the people who actually fired them, or those who otherwise had caused them to get fired, not against former interns who subsequently succeeded where they had failed.

    Regardless, the murderous Black homosexual suicide at issue made clear in his "manifesto" that it was his hatred of Whites, especially White women, and heterosexuals that was his motivation in killing his two murder victims, along with shooting a sixty-two-year-old White woman, who was a total stranger to him, in the back, and presumably leaving her for dead; he was answering for the earlier massacre, by his own explicit admission, and likewise hoping to ignite a race war in America.

    As for the Charlotte killer, he had close Black friends, who did not consider him to be a racist. Your supposed "reports" implying that he killed nine Black churchgoers because of an unrequited crush on a girl who instead chose to date a Black guy is ridiculous. His own "manifesto" explained why he chose to do what he did. In short, he learned that politically correct pieties and the racial realities have next to nothing in common. Most crime, most violent crime, and most interracial crime, in the United States, find Black folk as the perpetrators, with White-on-Black crime being unusual, and especially so after filtering out Hispanics and non-European Whites from the White category. If White racists are always sexually inadequate, as you anti-racists are always claiming, why is it that Blacks commit such a high proportion of rapes, and the overwhelming majority of interracial rapes, in the United States. White-on-Black rapes are close to nonexistent.

    Let us assume, despite all of the above, however, that you, by sheer happenstance, are correct, and Steve Sailer, in his heart of hearts, is an unmitigated racist: So what?!? How does that change the statistics reported in this blog post, let alone a century of IQ testing, or thousands of years of direct experience? Would Steve Sailer's being the Grand Wizard of the Los Angeles Ku Klux Klan explain why the most-privileged Blacks, in terms of socio-economic status, end up performing as if they were the least-privileged Whites, whether on measures of academic achievement or on IQ tests themselves?
    , @Frosted Flake
    Your special pleading is a repugnant as it is pathetic: How desperately you want the Roanoke killer to be a "disgruntled employee" despite the mountain of evidence in the killer's own words that he sought revenge for Charleston and wanted to start a race war, that his paranoia caused him to interpret the word "field" - as in "reporter in the field" - as a sly racist allusion to "cotton fields." That is, by his own account, he was motivated by race and a desire for racial revenge. And the only reason that you cannot accept this fact is because the perpetrator is black, and hence a forbidden thought.

    Yet oddly, by your account Dylan Roof, the white man motivated by "pure race hatred" (a fact, by the way, that no one on this blog, to my knowledge, has ever disputed) may or may not have had some sort of romantic disappointment as a motive. Is not romantic disappointment a motive in many killings? Does this assertion of yours not undermine your assertion of pure race hatred as the motive? I point this out only to underline the contradictions and fallacies that undermine your assertions. I find it about as plausible as the Roanoke killer being a disgruntled employee.

    But this is all you have, isn't it? A retreat into a kind of silly make-believe with good SJWs on one side and nasty iSteve readers on the other when confronted by uncomfortable facts - hence those who don't wish to entertain the notion that Vester Flanagan was just another "disgruntled employee" are transformed by your magic brush into "racist white nationalists," as though anyone who heeded Flanagan's own words could be anything else. You need to get out of your bubble. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews/videos/1182899088396786/

    The victim could have been Obama’s uncle.

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  • This still leaves open the nature or nurture questions.

    No question modern American popular Black culture is toxic to learning and achievement. Black kids get picked on by other Black kids if they do too well in school or “talk white.” If you’re a Black kid, even if your parents are college graduates, you are still subjected to this cultural milieu.

    On the other hand, if you are a Black kid with college graduate parents and are sent to an elite high school (Punahou perhaps) and have zero connection with Black culture (and zero connection with your one Black parent) we know that you can do quite well.

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    sent to an elite high school (Punahou perhaps) and have zero connection with Black culture
     
    When Barry came to the mainland, perhaps the Punahou graduates thus far best-known on the mainland were two-thirds of the Kingston Trio.

    Despite their name (after the Jamaican capital), how white can you get?
    , @Triumph104
    The states with the highest high school graduation rates for black males tend to be the states with very low black percentages in the population. In other words, once blacks get away from other blacks they do fine academically.

    States with the highest black male graduation rates, highest is Maine at 90%.
    1. Maine
    2. Idaho
    3. Arizona
    4. South Dakota
    5. New Jersey
    6. Montana
    7. Hawaii
    8. New Hampshire
    9. Tennessee
    10. Colorado

    White males in Maine have a graduation rate of 80%. http://blackboysreport.org/national-summary/state-graduation-data/

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  • Can we move on to Occam’s depilatory, Occam’s curette, and Occam’s Plastibell?

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  • @International Jew
    There's something wrong here: why aren't the Asian numbers any higher than the white numbers? And, even more strikingly, how can it be that the numbers for children of Asians who didn't finish high school are no higher than those of the corresponding white kids? Many Asian kids' parents have a lot on the ball but in their home countries education beyond the basic level is tightly limited by examinations and family hardship.

    English is likely not the language spoken at home for many of the Asians, especially recent immigrants. Some of the 12th graders may be immigrants themselves.

    The math scores (if you click on Steve’s link) do show higher numbers for Asians, by about 5-10%.

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  • @gruff
    Expound upon, not "extoll [sic] upon".

    Protip: never try to write with a larger vocabulary than you actually command.

    I intended the meaning of extol. You are correct, I spelled it wrong and should not have used “upon”. Thanks for the tip.

    Extol:

    praise enthusiastically.
    “he extolled the virtues of the Russian peoples”

    synonyms: praise enthusiastically, go into raptures about/over, wax lyrical about, sing the praises of, praise to the skies, acclaim, exalt, eulogize, adulate, rhapsodize over, rave about, enthuse about/over, overpraise;

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  • @bomag
    The Roanoke case is pretty much racial hatred, but you won't hear that from the Main Stream, except to explore the behavior of the Whites involved to see if they had it coming.

    Your tactic is tiresome: allege an inequality, then demand it be fixed to your satisfaction; thus using other's sense of fair play to bully your viewpoint into the coverage. The iteration of this has given us the current sad state of discourse where we must apologize full time to the transgendered for all of previous human history not giving them equal time.

    Never mind him. His name is Gurney– as in the thing on which so many AIDS patients took their last breath.

    I thought “Vester” was bad enough. But “Gurney”?

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    Gurney Halleck was a professional soldier/weapons instructor, as well as a skilled musician, in Frank Herbert's classic SF novel, Dune.

    The real Gurney Halleck would kick this puling weenie's ass.
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  • @International Jew
    There's something wrong here: why aren't the Asian numbers any higher than the white numbers? And, even more strikingly, how can it be that the numbers for children of Asians who didn't finish high school are no higher than those of the corresponding white kids? Many Asian kids' parents have a lot on the ball but in their home countries education beyond the basic level is tightly limited by examinations and family hardship.

    You’re looking at the reading scores. The math scores exhibit the pattern you’d expect.

    http://www.nationsreportcard.gov/reading_math_g12_2013/#/group-results

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    Change it to Occam’s Race-ist, and there’s the solution.

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  • The most deplorable one [AKA "Fourth doorman of the apocalypse"] says:
    @gruff
    There are still old buildings with lead paint on the walls, under newer coats of course. And these old buildings are sometimes in areas inhabited by poor black people. It is a real phenomenon, though opinions differ as to its current impact.

    As for not knowing about lead paint: many simple facts are unknown to many people. Just in this past year I encountered one grown man who did not know that you do not pour grease down a sink drain (I snaked for quite a while), and another who did not know that water should never be thrown on grease/oil/candle fires. I'd wager half the people randomly polled on the street would be unaware of the toxicity of lead.

    I’d wager half the people randomly polled on the street would be unaware of the toxicity of lead.

    But not those gangbangers with their gats, eh?

    Why are poor whites not similarly plagued? Are the landlords doubly racist?

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    I'm not arguing that lead is the chief cause, just that it is a factor, one among many. Sailer's 50/50 rule of thumb is a good one here. Some causes are external, such as lead and economic policies, and some genetic.

    One aspect of the genetic angle that I rarely see discussed is the high likelihood that American blacks are the result of severe dysgenic selection pressure. Think: most slaves were prisoners of war, criminals, or other sorts of people not clever enough to escape being enslaved. They were then subjected to several centuries of having their best and brightest cut down. This might be a greater factor than whatever was in the African genome to begin with. That's just my guess though.

    (Yes, whites were similarly plagued, which is why lead was removed from paint and gasoline, but not many now live in urban slums.)
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  • @dearieme
    I'd guess that he's Canadian, on the grounds that Canadians tend to sound a bit like Americans, but better.

    He is Canadian, but sounds vaguely British because he went to boarding school there. Also autism.

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  • @International Jew
    There's something wrong here: why aren't the Asian numbers any higher than the white numbers? And, even more strikingly, how can it be that the numbers for children of Asians who didn't finish high school are no higher than those of the corresponding white kids? Many Asian kids' parents have a lot on the ball but in their home countries education beyond the basic level is tightly limited by examinations and family hardship.

    Pacific Islanders are lumped into the Asian group. There’s also the problem of non-native English speakers.

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  • @International Jew
    There's something wrong here: why aren't the Asian numbers any higher than the white numbers? And, even more strikingly, how can it be that the numbers for children of Asians who didn't finish high school are no higher than those of the corresponding white kids? Many Asian kids' parents have a lot on the ball but in their home countries education beyond the basic level is tightly limited by examinations and family hardship.

    “There’s something wrong here: why aren’t the Asian numbers any higher than the white numbers?” – asian and pacific islanders. The bad asians are lumped in with the good ones. But the same is true for whites, albeit with a smaller gap between white groups.

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  • @Gurney Halleck
    Yea, and Sailer wasn't concerned with covering the Dylan Roof story from ANY angle whatsoever. There are stories which the MSM widely covers and which Sailer is eager to share a differing POV on, but he was pretty silent on the Dylan Roof case (despite wide MSM coverage) and all too eager to jump on the Roanoke shooting (despite wide MSM coverage), and all this despite the fact that the Roanoke case is more likely a case of disgruntled employee taking it out on former co-workers where as the Dylan Roof case was the result of pure racial resentment (and perhaps the shooter's sexual failings.)

    …all this despite the fact that the Roanoke case is more likely a case of disgruntled employee taking it out on former co-workers where as the Dylan Roof case was the result of pure racial resentment (and perhaps the shooter’s sexual failings.)

    Ah, the mind of the SJW in action. The black lunatic murdering scumbag was “most likely” just “a disgruntled employee,” set off by all those microaggressions in the workplace: you know, words like “swing” or watermelon-flavored Slurpees, and hence maybe not fully justified really but understandable. Who wouldn’t be set off, under the circumstances? And who wouldn’t fax off a 32-page manifesto after the murders in which the poor disgruntled employee claimed he was only trying to start a race war. That’s not “pure racial resentment,” is it? Or, in any case, apparently not pure enough.

    But you’re not quite done yet, are you? The white lunatic was “perhaps” motivated by his “sexual failings”; so even though the black homosexual lunatic’s apartment was well-stocked with not very clean sex toys with which he frequently fucked himself in the ass, this is an incidental matter slated for rainbow-colored celebrations, not a factor in the killer’s misery or his motives.

    You probably didn’t notice, being preoccupied as you are with your own righteous indignation, but people generally read this blog as an antidote to the kind of bullshit that you’re peddling – that is, selectively making excuses and accusing anyone who rejects the MSM-approved one-sided narrative as a racist. From my own admittedly inadequate vantage the only difference is that the white lunatic murdering scumbag didn’t know his victims and the black one did, but that there was more than enough “pure racial resentment” to go around.

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    It's not an excuse -- this Roanoke murder is as likely a case of disgruntled employee violently lashing out as it is a case of racism. You racist white nationalists are trying to spin this episode into one of pure race hatred, like the Dylan Hunt shooting, which you guys weren't eager to discuss and which clearly was the result of race hatred. Also: there were reports that a girl Dylan Roof liked dated a black guy.
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