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    Here’s my presentation at the early 2013 VDARE.com symposium, transcribed and then translated from spoken Sailerese into actual written English. Hi, I’m Steve Sailer, and it’s a real pleasure to address our symposium. I’m going to talk about some overlooked aspects of the 2012 election. As we get to the data, we’re going to focus...
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    The stock market is difficult to predict, to say the least
     
    Every time Clinton does better in the polls, the market goes up; when she stumbles, it goes down. Markets like stability. Trump promises to shake everything up. This isn’t rocket science.
     
    Obviously, the stock market will tank if Trump wins. I hope you don't think it means that after eight years of Trump presidency the stock market will be lower than after eight years of Hillary presidency. Because that would be an idiotic idea.

    Obviously, the stock market will tank if Trump wins. I hope you don’t think it means that after eight years of Trump presidency the stock market will be lower than after eight years of Hillary presidency

    Who has a better relationship with Wall Street?

    So Romney attacked Trump out of the blue,

    It was a fairly civilized request for the tax returns. He wasn’t actually insulting. Trump took it to that level.

    In any event, it was OK to attack Trump during the primaries. Why did he keep attacking him, once he sealed the nomination?

    Strong dislike and negative opinion for the man, after all was said and done during the primaries.

    Trump is a divider of white people.

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    Which fell short of the personal attacks Trump responded with.

    From your link, Romney's statements about Trump refusing to release his taxes:

    "We have good reason to believe that there's a bombshell in Donald Trump's taxes...Well, I think there's something there. Either he's not anywhere near as wealthy as he says he is, or he hasn't been paying the kind of taxes we would expect him to pay. Or perhaps he hasn't been giving money to the vets or the disabled, like he's been telling us he's been doing...Donald Trump and Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz have not shown us their back taxes...This was an issue on my campaign...The reason I think there's a bombshell in there is that every time he's asked about his taxes, he dodges or delays and says, 'Well, we're working on it"

    Firstly - he was right, Trump hadn't paid income taxes. Secondly, the tone was not particularly disrespectful.

    Trump's response:

    "Mitt Romney, who totally blew an election that should have been won and whose tax returns made him look like a fool, is now playing tough guy."

    Obviously it escalated from there, by both men.

    So Romney attacked Trump out of the blue, after which Trump furiously attacked back. If you think Trump shouldn’t have escalated, then, well, Romney started the escalation.

    In any event, it was OK to attack Trump during the primaries. Why did he keep attacking him, once he sealed the nomination?

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    The stock market is difficult to predict, to say the least
     
    Every time Clinton does better in the polls, the market goes up; when she stumbles, it goes down. Markets like stability. Trump promises to shake everything up. This isn't rocket science.

    But giving up your country for dubious stock market gains will predictably come back to haunt you or your descendants.
     
    Decades down the road, yes. But not any time soon.

    And of course affirmative action affects the more dysfunctional the least.
     
    Not really, given that Asians (the ones who actually compete with educated white Republicans) don't benefit from it. Sure there are the rare Barack Obamas getting into Columbia, but for the most part it's competition for city or state jobs that require only a high school diploma, a government contract for a construction company given to one owned by a minority, etc. To benefit from AA you still have to be in the race. A black or Hispanic guy with a high school diploma or less will get an advantage over a white guy with the same background, but he's still not going to get a job requiring as university degree. This isn't post-apartheid South Africa.

    Basically, uneducated whites Republicans need the educated ones more than vice versa. The latter are screwed less by a democratic (particularly, Wall-street friendly Clinton) victory. Belmont has done well under Obama, Fishtown has not. Dividing the two, as Trump has managed to do, will have much worse consequences for uneducated whites than for educated ones if the result of this division by Trump is a Clinton victory.

    The stock market is difficult to predict, to say the least

    Every time Clinton does better in the polls, the market goes up; when she stumbles, it goes down. Markets like stability. Trump promises to shake everything up. This isn’t rocket science.

    Obviously, the stock market will tank if Trump wins. I hope you don’t think it means that after eight years of Trump presidency the stock market will be lower than after eight years of Hillary presidency. Because that would be an idiotic idea.

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    Obviously, the stock market will tank if Trump wins. I hope you don’t think it means that after eight years of Trump presidency the stock market will be lower than after eight years of Hillary presidency
     
    Who has a better relationship with Wall Street?

    So Romney attacked Trump out of the blue,
     
    It was a fairly civilized request for the tax returns. He wasn't actually insulting. Trump took it to that level.

    In any event, it was OK to attack Trump during the primaries. Why did he keep attacking him, once he sealed the nomination?
     
    Strong dislike and negative opinion for the man, after all was said and done during the primaries.

    Trump is a divider of white people.

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  • @Kristen
    "The odds of marrying a foreign woman are better if you integrate into their culture. "

    While I was in Kyoto, Japan last week, I attended an Anglican Church, went to academic lectures in English, and met up with some professors at the university there. A visual pattern was easily discerned: American man with Japanese wife. What struck me, though, was how Americans left their culture for that of Japan. I have known many Japanese women with American husbands in the US, but this was the first time I saw their counterparts in Japan.

    Japan is ethnically Japanese with less than one-percent "gaijin" (foreigner of a non-Asian background). I liked their homogeneity and admired them for keeping their values and culture intact. Such homogeneity has created a crime-free, stable society.

    While walking around the city, I rarely saw strollers. Where were the babies, I wondered? The US looked like a giant preschool after Japan! I do not know why they aren't reproducing. Yes, they are crunched for land, but they've always been that way -- so why are they not making babies now? No answers, here.

    While walking around the city, I rarely saw strollers. Where were the babies, I wondered? The US looked like a giant preschool after Japan! I do not know why they aren’t reproducing. Yes, they are crunched for land, but they’ve always been that way — so why are they not making babies now? No answers, here.

    All they need to do is import 3,000 brothers and wait 50 years: Reproduction crisis averted.

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  • @Rumormonger
    It's clear from their actions that the elites have already privately concluded that the US is nearing the end of its history. They now just want to make as much money as possible before fleeing to Switzerland/Israel and watching the final collapse from a distance with detachment and in safety.

    They should perhaps read The Camp of the Saints to see how it ends for Switzerland.

    As for Israel, ending up as a small state surrounded on all sides by followers of a death cult armed with nukes doesn’t make for a happy ending either.

    God, I hope enough Americans prove to have the necessary self-preservation instinct to put Trump in the White House.

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  • @reiner Tor
    Your link contains another link to the origins of the feud, which was Romney talking about releasing tax returns of candidates and then zeroing in specifically on Trump.

    Which fell short of the personal attacks Trump responded with.

    From your link, Romney’s statements about Trump refusing to release his taxes:

    “We have good reason to believe that there’s a bombshell in Donald Trump’s taxes…Well, I think there’s something there. Either he’s not anywhere near as wealthy as he says he is, or he hasn’t been paying the kind of taxes we would expect him to pay. Or perhaps he hasn’t been giving money to the vets or the disabled, like he’s been telling us he’s been doing…Donald Trump and Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz have not shown us their back taxes…This was an issue on my campaign…The reason I think there’s a bombshell in there is that every time he’s asked about his taxes, he dodges or delays and says, ‘Well, we’re working on it”

    Firstly – he was right, Trump hadn’t paid income taxes. Secondly, the tone was not particularly disrespectful.

    Trump’s response:

    “Mitt Romney, who totally blew an election that should have been won and whose tax returns made him look like a fool, is now playing tough guy.”

    Obviously it escalated from there, by both men.

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    So Romney attacked Trump out of the blue, after which Trump furiously attacked back. If you think Trump shouldn't have escalated, then, well, Romney started the escalation.

    In any event, it was OK to attack Trump during the primaries. Why did he keep attacking him, once he sealed the nomination?
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  • @reiner Tor
    The stock market is difficult to predict, to say the least.

    But giving up your country for dubious stock market gains will predictably come back to haunt you or your descendants. And of course affirmative action affects the more dysfunctional the least.

    The stock market is difficult to predict, to say the least

    Every time Clinton does better in the polls, the market goes up; when she stumbles, it goes down. Markets like stability. Trump promises to shake everything up. This isn’t rocket science.

    But giving up your country for dubious stock market gains will predictably come back to haunt you or your descendants.

    Decades down the road, yes. But not any time soon.

    And of course affirmative action affects the more dysfunctional the least.

    Not really, given that Asians (the ones who actually compete with educated white Republicans) don’t benefit from it. Sure there are the rare Barack Obamas getting into Columbia, but for the most part it’s competition for city or state jobs that require only a high school diploma, a government contract for a construction company given to one owned by a minority, etc. To benefit from AA you still have to be in the race. A black or Hispanic guy with a high school diploma or less will get an advantage over a white guy with the same background, but he’s still not going to get a job requiring as university degree. This isn’t post-apartheid South Africa.

    Basically, uneducated whites Republicans need the educated ones more than vice versa. The latter are screwed less by a democratic (particularly, Wall-street friendly Clinton) victory. Belmont has done well under Obama, Fishtown has not. Dividing the two, as Trump has managed to do, will have much worse consequences for uneducated whites than for educated ones if the result of this division by Trump is a Clinton victory.

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    The stock market is difficult to predict, to say the least
     
    Every time Clinton does better in the polls, the market goes up; when she stumbles, it goes down. Markets like stability. Trump promises to shake everything up. This isn’t rocket science.
     
    Obviously, the stock market will tank if Trump wins. I hope you don't think it means that after eight years of Trump presidency the stock market will be lower than after eight years of Hillary presidency. Because that would be an idiotic idea.
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  • @BenKenobi
    If we BadWhites are democratically swamped then perhaps it's time to look at other options.

    I mean, we all agree that America is the Titanic... why not steal all the lifeboats and depart if we know the conclusion?

    "Welcome to my nightmare, you're gonna like it..."

    It’s clear from their actions that the elites have already privately concluded that the US is nearing the end of its history. They now just want to make as much money as possible before fleeing to Switzerland/Israel and watching the final collapse from a distance with detachment and in safety.

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    They should perhaps read The Camp of the Saints to see how it ends for Switzerland.

    As for Israel, ending up as a small state surrounded on all sides by followers of a death cult armed with nukes doesn't make for a happy ending either.

    God, I hope enough Americans prove to have the necessary self-preservation instinct to put Trump in the White House.

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  • @reiner Tor
    Your link contains another link to the origins of the feud, which was Romney talking about releasing tax returns of candidates and then zeroing in specifically on Trump.

    Of course Trump is in the habit of stopping feuds with people who stop attacking him, and talking respectfully about people who support him. That’s how Lyin’ Ted became Senator Cruz. Romney & the cucks might’ve tried it, too. Or they might’ve just shut up, and Trump wouldn’t have spent time attacking them at all. For example why did Ryan have to have that conference call?

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  • @AP
    I'm not sure who started it:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-mitt-romney-self-deportation-2016-2

    Your link contains another link to the origins of the feud, which was Romney talking about releasing tax returns of candidates and then zeroing in specifically on Trump.

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    Of course Trump is in the habit of stopping feuds with people who stop attacking him, and talking respectfully about people who support him. That's how Lyin' Ted became Senator Cruz. Romney & the cucks might've tried it, too. Or they might've just shut up, and Trump wouldn't have spent time attacking them at all. For example why did Ryan have to have that conference call?
    , @AP
    Which fell short of the personal attacks Trump responded with.

    From your link, Romney's statements about Trump refusing to release his taxes:

    "We have good reason to believe that there's a bombshell in Donald Trump's taxes...Well, I think there's something there. Either he's not anywhere near as wealthy as he says he is, or he hasn't been paying the kind of taxes we would expect him to pay. Or perhaps he hasn't been giving money to the vets or the disabled, like he's been telling us he's been doing...Donald Trump and Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz have not shown us their back taxes...This was an issue on my campaign...The reason I think there's a bombshell in there is that every time he's asked about his taxes, he dodges or delays and says, 'Well, we're working on it"

    Firstly - he was right, Trump hadn't paid income taxes. Secondly, the tone was not particularly disrespectful.

    Trump's response:

    "Mitt Romney, who totally blew an election that should have been won and whose tax returns made him look like a fool, is now playing tough guy."

    Obviously it escalated from there, by both men.

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  • @AP

    But a Romney presidency would’ve been shit for the working class folks. Besides endless wars and tax cuts for the rich, there was nothing in it for them,
     
    Policies that encourage "self deportation" would have helped working class wages. Also he wouldn't have pushed stuff like affirmative action and would be good in terms of their preferred social policies. But he would've been pro free trade and a hawk, so minuses in addition to the plusses.

    However, a Hillary presidency will be shit for the nice educated white Republicans.
     
    The educated white Republicans will be fine under Clinton, at least in the short to medium term (the long-term consequences, over decades, of her immigration policies could be a different matter). Migrants are priced out of their neighborhoods so they won't deal with them regularly, Trump is much worse for the stock market (thus pensions, IRAs, etc.), more migrants means cheaper labor for lawn-care, free trade means products cost a lot less. That's, of course, if anything much gets done. A Clinton presidency would probably be a lot of gridlock and not much change. If your life is good, that's not a bad thing.

    Taxes will be higher than they would have been under Trump, but it won't be a catastrophic situation (and again, can be balanced by stock performance).

    The stock market is difficult to predict, to say the least.

    But giving up your country for dubious stock market gains will predictably come back to haunt you or your descendants. And of course affirmative action affects the more dysfunctional the least.

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    The stock market is difficult to predict, to say the least
     
    Every time Clinton does better in the polls, the market goes up; when she stumbles, it goes down. Markets like stability. Trump promises to shake everything up. This isn't rocket science.

    But giving up your country for dubious stock market gains will predictably come back to haunt you or your descendants.
     
    Decades down the road, yes. But not any time soon.

    And of course affirmative action affects the more dysfunctional the least.
     
    Not really, given that Asians (the ones who actually compete with educated white Republicans) don't benefit from it. Sure there are the rare Barack Obamas getting into Columbia, but for the most part it's competition for city or state jobs that require only a high school diploma, a government contract for a construction company given to one owned by a minority, etc. To benefit from AA you still have to be in the race. A black or Hispanic guy with a high school diploma or less will get an advantage over a white guy with the same background, but he's still not going to get a job requiring as university degree. This isn't post-apartheid South Africa.

    Basically, uneducated whites Republicans need the educated ones more than vice versa. The latter are screwed less by a democratic (particularly, Wall-street friendly Clinton) victory. Belmont has done well under Obama, Fishtown has not. Dividing the two, as Trump has managed to do, will have much worse consequences for uneducated whites than for educated ones if the result of this division by Trump is a Clinton victory.
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  • @grapesoda
    Good job destroying the straw man that you created. Is there any one specific person you can point to who said what you are saying?

    The odds of marrying a foreign woman are better if you integrate into their culture. In many places you are already high status in their culture just by being European, although you'd still be a foreigner.

    You can also 'import' a wife. The odds of that working out are somewhat worse due to the toxic anti-male culture and perverse incentives in place in America, but it's up to everyone individually to decide how they want to live their life. I certainly wouldn't begrudge someone that if they had a good plan and were confident that it would work.

    “The odds of marrying a foreign woman are better if you integrate into their culture. ”

    While I was in Kyoto, Japan last week, I attended an Anglican Church, went to academic lectures in English, and met up with some professors at the university there. A visual pattern was easily discerned: American man with Japanese wife. What struck me, though, was how Americans left their culture for that of Japan. I have known many Japanese women with American husbands in the US, but this was the first time I saw their counterparts in Japan.

    Japan is ethnically Japanese with less than one-percent “gaijin” (foreigner of a non-Asian background). I liked their homogeneity and admired them for keeping their values and culture intact. Such homogeneity has created a crime-free, stable society.

    While walking around the city, I rarely saw strollers. Where were the babies, I wondered? The US looked like a giant preschool after Japan! I do not know why they aren’t reproducing. Yes, they are crunched for land, but they’ve always been that way — so why are they not making babies now? No answers, here.

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    While walking around the city, I rarely saw strollers. Where were the babies, I wondered? The US looked like a giant preschool after Japan! I do not know why they aren’t reproducing. Yes, they are crunched for land, but they’ve always been that way — so why are they not making babies now? No answers, here.
     
    All they need to do is import 3,000 brothers and wait 50 years: Reproduction crisis averted.
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  • @reiner Tor
    But a Romney presidency would've been shit for the working class folks. Besides endless wars and tax cuts for the rich, there was nothing in it for them, so Obama was actually no worse than Romney in that respect.

    However, a Hillary presidency will be shit for the nice educated white Republicans. Trump may not be very good for them, but way better than Hillary, and there's no third option in sight.

    But a Romney presidency would’ve been shit for the working class folks. Besides endless wars and tax cuts for the rich, there was nothing in it for them,

    Policies that encourage “self deportation” would have helped working class wages. Also he wouldn’t have pushed stuff like affirmative action and would be good in terms of their preferred social policies. But he would’ve been pro free trade and a hawk, so minuses in addition to the plusses.

    However, a Hillary presidency will be shit for the nice educated white Republicans.

    The educated white Republicans will be fine under Clinton, at least in the short to medium term (the long-term consequences, over decades, of her immigration policies could be a different matter). Migrants are priced out of their neighborhoods so they won’t deal with them regularly, Trump is much worse for the stock market (thus pensions, IRAs, etc.), more migrants means cheaper labor for lawn-care, free trade means products cost a lot less. That’s, of course, if anything much gets done. A Clinton presidency would probably be a lot of gridlock and not much change. If your life is good, that’s not a bad thing.

    Taxes will be higher than they would have been under Trump, but it won’t be a catastrophic situation (and again, can be balanced by stock performance).

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    The stock market is difficult to predict, to say the least.

    But giving up your country for dubious stock market gains will predictably come back to haunt you or your descendants. And of course affirmative action affects the more dysfunctional the least.
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  • @celt darnell
    That's a thoughtful post, but...

    The US, from afar looks too far gone to hope, for example, to be capable of standing up to China in 2030, but surely there would be votes in advocating that, except for special cases, no alien and no alien’s child becomes a citizen with voting and welfare rights without having been a net taxpayer for 15 years.
     
    Given Trump's been demonized just for calling for an end to illegal mass migration from Mexico, how far do you think anyone would get advocating your far more stringent immigration policy?

    It would have to be pitched as the post racist fair and objective solution. What’s not to like about it for every voting citizen who, even if poor, doesn’t want to share with lots more snouts in the trough. He/she can see that the trough is more likely to stay full and available to them if newcomers are all working hard to pay in. Naive?

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  • @Randal

    Romney lost because many working class whites refused to vote for him. Trump will likely lose because the educated white Republicans are just returning the favor.
     
    And I remember the endless whining about how unforgivably disloyal all those traditionalist (and often working class) Republican types were for not turning out to vote for the RINO candidate their betters had anointed to represent them.

    It was so loud we could hear it across the Atlantic.

    vote for the RINO candidate their betters had anointed to represent them

    The RINO label and associated political questions are not simple. I prefer to think of the 2012 election as the time enough of my peeps figured out that they weren’t getting anything out of bending over every four years so they decided not to bend over again.

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  • @reiner Tor
    Yes, Trump attacked back.
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    Your link contains another link to the origins of the feud, which was Romney talking about releasing tax returns of candidates and then zeroing in specifically on Trump.
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  • @Karl
    > We still prefer the hippie SWPL grocery stores.

    now that right there is the core essence of your problem.

    i believe that you ARE =intellectually= aware that you'd ACTUALLY get better foodstuffs by asking around of the wives of the diesel mechanics at the tractor dealership.

    But you're addicted to..... i cannot put my finger on it. But I smelled it when I saw it, down at the Whole Foods in La Jolla.

    you’d ACTUALLY get better foodstuffs by asking around of the wives of the diesel mechanics at the tractor dealership

    I suspect those would more likely be at Wal-Mart buying sodas.

    Prevelance of Obesity by Annual Household Income for Persons Ages 18-64

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  • “Wrong on both counts. You must not have ever seen divorce rape up close.”

    There is no “trap” when you’re married, nor are you “her bitch” when you have children. Again, you’ve been duped by Roissy and ROK.

    Now, anecdotally, I have had four of my friends who went through a divorce. In three of the four cases, they worked out their situation amicably. With the fourth case, they were both a bit on aggressive side in their relationship, so it’s other than surprising that things got messy.

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  • @Corvinus
    "It’s a huge tradeoff, too. You’re trapped once you’re married. But once you have kids, assuming you care about being able to spend time with them, you’re her bitch."

    You must not be married or have kids, because that's not how it works. Pro tip --> Stop reading Roissy and ROK.

    "You’re right about the differences between older career women and younger women wrt time on their hands and ability to trade their looks, but you didn’t mention the likely compromise you’ll be making in the quality as a mother you’d likely be making with the career woman."

    Assuming that career woman are less likely to be a quality mother to their children. Again, you must not be married or have children.

    Wrong on both counts. You must not have ever seen divorce rape up close.

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  • @iffen
    It might have helped Trump with the pro-Romney voters if Romney and Ryan for example were campaigning for him.

    Romney lost because many working class whites refused to vote for him. Trump will likely lose because the educated white Republicans are just returning the favor.

    Romney lost because many working class whites refused to vote for him. Trump will likely lose because the educated white Republicans are just returning the favor.

    And I remember the endless whining about how unforgivably disloyal all those traditionalist (and often working class) Republican types were for not turning out to vote for the RINO candidate their betters had anointed to represent them.

    It was so loud we could hear it across the Atlantic.

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    vote for the RINO candidate their betters had anointed to represent them

    The RINO label and associated political questions are not simple. I prefer to think of the 2012 election as the time enough of my peeps figured out that they weren't getting anything out of bending over every four years so they decided not to bend over again.
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  • Excellent data visualization on Romney’s Share of White Vote vs. Share of Total Vote. One can see the potential for Trump in the battleground states, OH, FL, PA, etc. if he can get more of the white vote share to pull (heave ho!) his total over the threshold (to the right!). Also, the visualization brings home how this could be the last chance Republicans have to be competitive for the presidency. Thanks for reposting this. Will be fascinating to compare this chart with 2016 results.

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  • Someone has to mention it…..j reno has departed. Anyone remember the clinton/reno assault on the Branch Davidian Church….fried up all those little kids and their parents alive. Then the vismin holder led up the thorough impartial investigation……essentially concluding the kids were white so it didn’t matter much.

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  • a Hillary presidency will be shit for the nice educated white Republicans

    Not true. This is where the alt-right and their criticism of the “cucks” are correct. For the upper middle class and above there is very little difference to their economic well-being predicated on which party controls the White House. Many upper middle class Republicans can be quite liberal.

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  • I don’t know if I can do all the rural hunting-type stuff though

    Why not? It’s not like it’s difficult. People do it for fun.

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  • @iffen
    It might have helped Trump with the pro-Romney voters if Romney and Ryan for example were campaigning for him.

    Romney lost because many working class whites refused to vote for him. Trump will likely lose because the educated white Republicans are just returning the favor.

    But a Romney presidency would’ve been shit for the working class folks. Besides endless wars and tax cuts for the rich, there was nothing in it for them, so Obama was actually no worse than Romney in that respect.

    However, a Hillary presidency will be shit for the nice educated white Republicans. Trump may not be very good for them, but way better than Hillary, and there’s no third option in sight.

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    But a Romney presidency would’ve been shit for the working class folks. Besides endless wars and tax cuts for the rich, there was nothing in it for them,
     
    Policies that encourage "self deportation" would have helped working class wages. Also he wouldn't have pushed stuff like affirmative action and would be good in terms of their preferred social policies. But he would've been pro free trade and a hawk, so minuses in addition to the plusses.

    However, a Hillary presidency will be shit for the nice educated white Republicans.
     
    The educated white Republicans will be fine under Clinton, at least in the short to medium term (the long-term consequences, over decades, of her immigration policies could be a different matter). Migrants are priced out of their neighborhoods so they won't deal with them regularly, Trump is much worse for the stock market (thus pensions, IRAs, etc.), more migrants means cheaper labor for lawn-care, free trade means products cost a lot less. That's, of course, if anything much gets done. A Clinton presidency would probably be a lot of gridlock and not much change. If your life is good, that's not a bad thing.

    Taxes will be higher than they would have been under Trump, but it won't be a catastrophic situation (and again, can be balanced by stock performance).

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  • @AP
    These attacks were rather mutual.

    Yes, Trump attacked back.

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    I'm not sure who started it:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-mitt-romney-self-deportation-2016-2
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  • @reiner Tor
    Romney wasn't constantly attacked by fellow Republicans throughout the campaign. Other Republicans were campaigning for him. It might have helped Trump with the pro-Romney voters if Romney and Ryan for example were campaigning for him.

    These attacks were rather mutual.

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    Yes, Trump attacked back.
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  • @reiner Tor
    Romney wasn't constantly attacked by fellow Republicans throughout the campaign. Other Republicans were campaigning for him. It might have helped Trump with the pro-Romney voters if Romney and Ryan for example were campaigning for him.

    It might have helped Trump with the pro-Romney voters if Romney and Ryan for example were campaigning for him.

    Romney lost because many working class whites refused to vote for him. Trump will likely lose because the educated white Republicans are just returning the favor.

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    But a Romney presidency would've been shit for the working class folks. Besides endless wars and tax cuts for the rich, there was nothing in it for them, so Obama was actually no worse than Romney in that respect.

    However, a Hillary presidency will be shit for the nice educated white Republicans. Trump may not be very good for them, but way better than Hillary, and there's no third option in sight.
    , @Randal

    Romney lost because many working class whites refused to vote for him. Trump will likely lose because the educated white Republicans are just returning the favor.
     
    And I remember the endless whining about how unforgivably disloyal all those traditionalist (and often working class) Republican types were for not turning out to vote for the RINO candidate their betters had anointed to represent them.

    It was so loud we could hear it across the Atlantic.
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  • @Dissident
    Where would you suggest we flee to?

    As I've quoted the late radio artist Bob Grant before,
    "I wish there were there somewhere to go, because I'd go there."

    You are quite correct, there is nowhere to go.

    However, the balkanization of North America is inevitable.

    With a lot of hard work, and little luck, one of the new nations be a “White Israel”.

    Of course my first choice is that the God-Emperor and His loyal Space Marines are successful in Making America Great Again.

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  • @AP

    Even if he loses, as long as it isn’t a landslide, I think it vindicates the theory.
     
    Not necessarily. I think we can agree that Obama is a much, much better candidate than Clinton. If Trump does worse against horrible-candidate Clinton than Romney did against Obama, this may be seen as a repudiation of Trump and of the ideas he espouses. What if Trump, who turns off educated white people and may be the first Republican in recent history to lose among whites with university education, gets a lower % of the white vote than Romney did?

    Ideally, someone will get the message that some of the ideas Trump has been promoting are important, and a more acceptable candidate (such as Tom Cotton?) will emerge as a potential president. But I suspect it is likely that the lesson learned will be double down on the Rubio strategy.

    Romney wasn’t constantly attacked by fellow Republicans throughout the campaign. Other Republicans were campaigning for him. It might have helped Trump with the pro-Romney voters if Romney and Ryan for example were campaigning for him.

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    It might have helped Trump with the pro-Romney voters if Romney and Ryan for example were campaigning for him.

    Romney lost because many working class whites refused to vote for him. Trump will likely lose because the educated white Republicans are just returning the favor.
    , @AP
    These attacks were rather mutual.
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  • @AP

    Meanwhile, some evidence indicates that educated types sometimes do not reveal to pollsters their preference for Trump because it is politically incorrect or damaging to their professional status, so the polling figures may be skewed somewhat.
     
    This may be account for a few % but the magnitude of the shift is such that it doesn't make a big difference. Romney won college-educated whites by 14%, Trump is losing them (according to polls) by 7%. Even if the actual figure is a loss of 2% or so it's still a large shift.

    Romney won among white women, getting 56% of their vote. Trump was getting 43% at the end of October.

    Trump is the first Republican candidate to split the white vote and to lose large segments of white voters.

    A lot of non-University educated whites stayed home because Romney was such a poor candidate.
     
    If Trump pulls off a win it will be because of this, plus lower black and other Democratic turnout.

    Romney won college-educated whites by 14%, Trump is losing them (according to polls) by 7%.

    Sounds like white trash to me. Degree or not.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Steve, I'm just commenting here on #95 to catch your attention.

    Two observations, only one of which relates to possible action.

    Unfortunately nothing much can be done about what I take to be a relevant and important demographic difference between Australia and the US. To me the American problems which are much written about on UR look more like problems of class than race - a view which an 1890s middle or upper (or even lower perhaps) class person would have easily adopted. The worry is that this, for cultural rather than genetic reasons, will not change much in the next 50 years and will be exacerbated by the highly probable black heritable IQ deficit and the declining fertility of the bright, energetic and puposeful. Which is to say that the class problem is a quality problem even if, historically, lower class people of the pre Malthusian era were not condemned to have generally inferior descendants.

    As you are well aware Australia's demographic mix suffers little from the so far intractable problems of its indigenes whose numbers are only 2 or 3 per cent, and there has been only one seriously negative experience of taking in supposed refugees or immigrants in the last 70 years - Lebanese in the late 70s and early 80s. There are mostly economic reasons for curtailing the privileges of bringing in parents but the weight of immigration for a long time seems to have been with employable and/or well off and/or educated English speaking East Asians and Indians. I see no problem at all in the long run for the Liberal (right of centre) Party from them as voters. Indeed I see them as unsympathetic to a welfare state encouraging the fertility of the inadequate and unproductive.

    Now here,at the end, is a prescription for action.

    The US, from afar looks too far gone to hope, for example, to be capable of standing up to China in 2030, but surely there would be votes in advocating that, except for special cases, no alien and no alien's child becomes a citizen with voting and welfare rights without having been a net taxpayer for 15 years. It would obviously have to be refined and nuanced but, with skill, not too much weakened. And it would certainly be good for white working class males and should appease them.

    That’s a thoughtful post, but…

    The US, from afar looks too far gone to hope, for example, to be capable of standing up to China in 2030, but surely there would be votes in advocating that, except for special cases, no alien and no alien’s child becomes a citizen with voting and welfare rights without having been a net taxpayer for 15 years.

    Given Trump’s been demonized just for calling for an end to illegal mass migration from Mexico, how far do you think anyone would get advocating your far more stringent immigration policy?

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    It would have to be pitched as the post racist fair and objective solution. What's not to like about it for every voting citizen who, even if poor, doesn't want to share with lots more snouts in the trough. He/she can see that the trough is more likely to stay full and available to them if newcomers are all working hard to pay in. Naive?
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  • @AP

    "dividing whites is at best a tricky strategy."

    They’ve been divided by class for a long time, Trump’s not the one doing it to them.
     
    In every recent election white people with a university education voted for the Republican (Romney carried this group by 14% - Trump is losing it by 7%, a 21% swing). As did white women (Romney got 56% of their vote).

    What’s different about Trump is that he’s appealing to the white working class instead of the white wealthy class, which is the norm for Republicans.
     
    The real story about Trump with respect to white voters is that while he has, indeed, gathered together the subset of whites who are working class and male, he has also split the white vote - something no previous Republican candidate has managed to do.

    The real story about Trump with respect to white voters is that while he has, indeed, gathered together the subset of whites who are working class and male, he has also split the white vote – something no previous Republican candidate has managed to do.

    I suggest you go back and look closely at the data Steve presented, because the white vote was split in 2012 and every election cycle before that. Romney winning 58% of the white vote is the white vote being split between Romney and Obama. We don’t know exactly what percentage of the white vote Trump will win, but I imagine it will be 58% plus or minus 2%.

    You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about wealthy educated whites. I repeat, these people are “conservative” only in their desire to conserve the progressive status quo. Their ox is long overdue for a goring.

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  • The problem of the GOP may indeed be not enough White votes, but the problem of the Dems may be not enough Black votes—or rather not enough Blacks to vote: Shootings in Chicago, November 1-6: killed, 23; wounded, 96. Total shot: 119.

    Unless something is done about this, and fast, the country will soon reach the point of Peak Aspiring Rapper.

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  • Aaron Clarey aka Captain Capitalism posted a good rant on his blog named “A world without white people”. http://captaincapitalism.blogspot.ca/2016/11/a-world-without-white-people.html

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  • @ATX Hipster

    there is a good for me/good for America tradeoff here that they need to at least point out
     
    It's a huge tradeoff, too. You're trapped once you're married. But once you have kids, assuming you care about being able to spend time with them, you're her bitch.

    You're right about the differences between older career women and younger women wrt time on their hands and ability to trade their looks, but you didn't mention the likely compromise you'll be making in the quality as a mother you'd likely be making with the career woman. I'm acquainted with a woman who has decided to try to focus less on her career and spend more time with her kid. Sounds great, except she only made this decision after losing her second child at 6 months, after having gone back to work without taking maternity leave. Think real hard about marrying a woman with priorities like that before you make any decisions.

    Bear in mind that a 35 yr old may not have the looks she once did - but there will always be a guy around thirsty enough not to care.

    “It’s a huge tradeoff, too. You’re trapped once you’re married. But once you have kids, assuming you care about being able to spend time with them, you’re her bitch.”

    You must not be married or have kids, because that’s not how it works. Pro tip –> Stop reading Roissy and ROK.

    “You’re right about the differences between older career women and younger women wrt time on their hands and ability to trade their looks, but you didn’t mention the likely compromise you’ll be making in the quality as a mother you’d likely be making with the career woman.”

    Assuming that career woman are less likely to be a quality mother to their children. Again, you must not be married or have children.

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    Wrong on both counts. You must not have ever seen divorce rape up close.
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  • “Obama ran a really ugly, nasty campaign full of subliminal hatred.”

    Have you been living under a rock?

    Is this the Trump strategy of accusing the other person of your weakness?

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  • @Lurker
    This is the problem everywhere.

    By the time whites wake up to the demographic situation in their own locale - it's too late! Meanwhile, goodwhites elsewhere in comfortably majority-white areas sneer at them and make it clear that such concerns are for the peasants. That is until their own area reaches the end of demographic conveyor belt, as they fall into the abyss they cry out for help to other, safer, goodwhites - who respond by slamming their boot heel down on their fingers, condemning them to oblivion. And then it's their turn. . .

    One strategy has to be to make the goodwhites aware of this. Because eventually the supply of nice places for goodwhites to live will be exhausted.

    “By the time whites wake up to the demographic situation in their own locale – it’s too late! Meanwhile, goodwhites elsewhere in comfortably majority-white areas sneer at them and make it clear that such concerns are for the peasants. That is until their own area reaches the end of demographic conveyor belt, as they fall into the abyss they cry out for help to other, safer, goodwhites – who respond by slamming their boot heel down on their fingers, condemning them to oblivion. And then it’s their turn. . .One strategy has to be to make the goodwhites aware of this.”

    So, basically you are refuting the HbD notion that race is biological in this particular instance when it comes to designating whites into “good” and “bad” categories.

    How does one even characterize whites in this fashion? What are the metrics involved? Why should “good whites” be belittled and badgered by “bad whites” for making their own individual choices about race (or is it the other way around)?

    “Because eventually the supply of nice places for goodwhites to live will be exhausted.”

    So “goodwhites” are incapable of ensuring their own safety and survival? Do you really believe it, that these “nice places” will turn to rot?

    Wow, just wow.

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  • @Steve Sailer
    I was reading about some retired black athlete who lives on a farm and raises horses. It turns out he grew up on a farm in Ohio and raised horses.

    Steve, I’m just commenting here on #95 to catch your attention.

    Two observations, only one of which relates to possible action.

    Unfortunately nothing much can be done about what I take to be a relevant and important demographic difference between Australia and the US. To me the American problems which are much written about on UR look more like problems of class than race – a view which an 1890s middle or upper (or even lower perhaps) class person would have easily adopted. The worry is that this, for cultural rather than genetic reasons, will not change much in the next 50 years and will be exacerbated by the highly probable black heritable IQ deficit and the declining fertility of the bright, energetic and puposeful. Which is to say that the class problem is a quality problem even if, historically, lower class people of the pre Malthusian era were not condemned to have generally inferior descendants.

    As you are well aware Australia’s demographic mix suffers little from the so far intractable problems of its indigenes whose numbers are only 2 or 3 per cent, and there has been only one seriously negative experience of taking in supposed refugees or immigrants in the last 70 years – Lebanese in the late 70s and early 80s. There are mostly economic reasons for curtailing the privileges of bringing in parents but the weight of immigration for a long time seems to have been with employable and/or well off and/or educated English speaking East Asians and Indians. I see no problem at all in the long run for the Liberal (right of centre) Party from them as voters. Indeed I see them as unsympathetic to a welfare state encouraging the fertility of the inadequate and unproductive.

    Now here,at the end, is a prescription for action.

    The US, from afar looks too far gone to hope, for example, to be capable of standing up to China in 2030, but surely there would be votes in advocating that, except for special cases, no alien and no alien’s child becomes a citizen with voting and welfare rights without having been a net taxpayer for 15 years. It would obviously have to be refined and nuanced but, with skill, not too much weakened. And it would certainly be good for white working class males and should appease them.

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    That's a thoughtful post, but...

    The US, from afar looks too far gone to hope, for example, to be capable of standing up to China in 2030, but surely there would be votes in advocating that, except for special cases, no alien and no alien’s child becomes a citizen with voting and welfare rights without having been a net taxpayer for 15 years.
     
    Given Trump's been demonized just for calling for an end to illegal mass migration from Mexico, how far do you think anyone would get advocating your far more stringent immigration policy?
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  • @exiled off mainstreet
    A lot of non-University educated whites stayed home because Romney was such a poor candidate. Trump is a stronger candidate and the harpy is a weaker one. If she does as well as Obama did it will be the result of fraud, the fact that the media has congealed into a fascist-like propaganda combination, or a combination of these two factors. Meanwhile, some evidence indicates that educated types sometimes do not reveal to pollsters their preference for Trump because it is politically incorrect or damaging to their professional status, so the polling figures may be skewed somewhat. I would also expect a much lower black turnout for somebody carrying the harpy's baggage. We'll see what happens, but I suspect that the gist of the headline of the reprinted 2013 article really is that if the white vote increases as a proportion of the total, which it should, things may not follow the predicted polling model, which is based on 2012 turnout tweaked somewhat to favour the pollsters' predilections since they are part of the same media combine which is fully in the bag for the harpy.

    Meanwhile, some evidence indicates that educated types sometimes do not reveal to pollsters their preference for Trump because it is politically incorrect or damaging to their professional status, so the polling figures may be skewed somewhat.

    This may be account for a few % but the magnitude of the shift is such that it doesn’t make a big difference. Romney won college-educated whites by 14%, Trump is losing them (according to polls) by 7%. Even if the actual figure is a loss of 2% or so it’s still a large shift.

    Romney won among white women, getting 56% of their vote. Trump was getting 43% at the end of October.

    Trump is the first Republican candidate to split the white vote and to lose large segments of white voters.

    A lot of non-University educated whites stayed home because Romney was such a poor candidate.

    If Trump pulls off a win it will be because of this, plus lower black and other Democratic turnout.

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    Romney won college-educated whites by 14%, Trump is losing them (according to polls) by 7%.
     
    Sounds like white trash to me. Degree or not.
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  • So AFF works for all races and minorities, not just whites. It just works from a lower base point with the others.

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  • @Greenstalk

    Make no mistake: Trump is underperforming among economically secure whites in suburban and exurban places who have voted Republican for years.
     
    Those "economically secure whites" are very left-wing in their thought processes, and anything Trump (or any other candidate) did to appeal to them would cost him votes among the more conservative whites. It's not a circle which can easily be squared. Those people WANT to screw over poorer whites by "free trade" and open borders, secure in their own protected jobs and enclaves.

    dividing whites is at best a tricky strategy.
     
    They've been divided by class for a long time, Trump's not the one doing it to them. What's different about Trump is that he's appealing to the white working class instead of the white wealthy class, which is the norm for Republicans.

    “dividing whites is at best a tricky strategy.”

    They’ve been divided by class for a long time, Trump’s not the one doing it to them.

    In every recent election white people with a university education voted for the Republican (Romney carried this group by 14% – Trump is losing it by 7%, a 21% swing). As did white women (Romney got 56% of their vote).

    What’s different about Trump is that he’s appealing to the white working class instead of the white wealthy class, which is the norm for Republicans.

    The real story about Trump with respect to white voters is that while he has, indeed, gathered together the subset of whites who are working class and male, he has also split the white vote – something no previous Republican candidate has managed to do.

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    The real story about Trump with respect to white voters is that while he has, indeed, gathered together the subset of whites who are working class and male, he has also split the white vote – something no previous Republican candidate has managed to do.
     
    I suggest you go back and look closely at the data Steve presented, because the white vote was split in 2012 and every election cycle before that. Romney winning 58% of the white vote is the white vote being split between Romney and Obama. We don't know exactly what percentage of the white vote Trump will win, but I imagine it will be 58% plus or minus 2%.

    You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about wealthy educated whites. I repeat, these people are "conservative" only in their desire to conserve the progressive status quo. Their ox is long overdue for a goring.

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  • What is really frightful is that young whites skew liberal

    They always have, and they’ve always aged out of it, so I fail to see what’s frightful about it. What’s frightful is that we’re being race-replaced by the oligarch class. What’s frightful is how stupid white voters are, hemming and hawing and splitting the vote over whether to survive or not.

    LOL I did notice the over representation, but I think that just reflects the Jewish over representation in the elites.

    And Minnesotans are goodwhite schmucks.

    Nate Silver has an updated path to victory “snake” for Trump that no longer involves Pennsylvania, but instead involves Trump winning FL, OH, NC, NV, NH and ME-2, with NH being the narrowest win that puts Trump one EV over the top.

    Guess he read my posts from August.

    Vox Day does not look Indian in the slightest. I am not aware of him identifying as Indian as opposed to a white guy with minor Indian ancestry.

    Neither does Yeagley, IIRC.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Whiskey
    I agree with commenters upstream that Derb is more accurate than Steve on this; that GoodWhites will always virtue signal.

    HOWEVER, I have a view that the most virtue signalling GoodWhite would sell out his most ultra Vibrant friend for career advancement and particularly, and ESPECIALLY, advancement in the SEXUAL MARKETPLACE.

    Bottom line: Sex matters more than money to people. It even overrides virtue signaling.

    To successfully appeal to White Male Urbanites, who vote full on Good White SJW, a direct and brutal approach must be taken:

    1. They are not Darwinian successful enough to land a hot babe, the most they'll get is a poorer Lena Dunham who will not be grateful but resentful, and even fatter. Trigglypuff is what they'll get.

    2. The current female/feminist dynamic, "only the true Alpha White guys are successful in a sea of diversity" stacks things against them -- they'll only get Trigglypuffs it the go along to get along.

    3. Their only play to get a hottie AND KEEP HER is to go full on "nativist" aka "Band of Brothers" traditionalist, keeping faith with their grandfather's sacrifices.

    4. Take a page out of Michelle Obama's book* and argue that THEY, as descendants of heroes, are OWED the status positions unrightfully usurped by foreign interlopers and as descendants of heroes they must kick them out (of the nation) and take their rightful place; with the new higher status getting them the hot babe of their dreams.

    *Michelle Obama has famously and repeatedly argued that White men must be fired from their jobs so the positions can be given to Blacks, women, Muslims, etc.

    In short, to maximize the White vote, two pronged but related attacks on the coalition of the fringes must be mounted. As described in the previous post, note to unmarried White women (which is unlikely to ever change as White women prefer sex with Alphas to marriage to beta males) that all those goodies attainable to them depend on kicking out the high cost foreigners who deny them that vacation in Bermuda or free health care or College Loan forgiveness let along free college to their bastard kids.

    But nakedly appeal to White Urban SJW men that they can trade up drastically if they just act like their grandfathers and move to kick out all the foreigners, and descendants of foreigners. Make an argument about heritage, blood, and inheritance. The country is theirs, paid for in blood at Okinawa and the Bulge, they must heroically reclaim it; and every single Hollywood movie they'v watched confirms this message.

    1. They are not Darwinian successful enough to land a hot babe, the most they’ll get is a poorer Lena Dunham who will not be grateful but resentful, and even fatter. Trigglypuff is what they’ll get.

    2. The current female/feminist dynamic, “only the true Alpha White guys are successful in a sea of diversity” stacks things against them — they’ll only get Trigglypuffs it the go along to get along.

    But I see these guys with East Asian women who are 8.5′s to 9′s with dispositions that are 10′s. Almost no white woman over a 8 has a naturally pleasant disposition, and certainly not a demur, self-effacing one. They might be bubbly and friendly but it’s rarely natural. It seems to me that white women have gotten less attractive in the last 30 years and they’ve become a lot more hostile (almost like blacks). [I was accused of being a woman hater (by a woman) last time I pointed this out re: white women, so FTR, I'm happily married to my first and only wife].

    White men have become whimpier. And in Europe a lot more feminine. I think this could be a product of WWII. The most masculine men in Germany were killed and the ones left to procreate were less masculine. Now they are sympathetic to multiculturalism and socialism and carry man purses. This feminization of men happened in the U.S., but to a less extent b/c of them being the victor and not losing a large chunk of masculine men. But it manifested itself in the progressive politics that grew out of the 1960′s and 70′s and the only thing that kept it check was the large WWII generation. Same thing happened in Japan to a larger extent than in Europe. WWII Japanese men were much more masculine, especially the ones who fought and died in WWII.

    The beginning of the end of whites occurred in WWII, the unnecessary war.

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  • Good analysis, Mr. Sailer.

    Right now, I am astonished by a political development there.

    On Friday last week, Barrak Hussein Obama threw a temper tantrum about the FBI’s investigation of mail on a laptop co-owned by Mr. Penis (Weiner) that originated from the connection of his former wife, Humus, as the fave of Pantsuit Clinton.

    Before the next working day (Monday, today our time, the statement was on a weekend day), Comey announces some bullshit.

    Saw an article claiming that the NYPD has copies of it all and will continue investigating if the FBI drops it.

    The timing of Obama’s tantrum and Comey’s reaction indicates that the Dem machine wanted it to be as late as possible, so that the NYPD can have no effect before polling day.

    Big surprise and obvious process.

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  • @Alice
    My kids are too young for me to know the answer, but my husband and I doing our best. I believe it can be done if you have a SAHM for a wife who is not a liberal. She's the key. She can't be making wimps of boys. She has to let you play football and wrestle with them, and she can't be raising girls to think they are like boys. She has to understand shame has its place, as does pain. As does them solving their own problems. Would you trust her with a firearm? Does she approve of them? You don't need to be a hunter, just a shooter. Football or judo is good for toughness too.

    I've been stuck in commie congressional districts for 25 years, but left CA for MN when MN was considered purple and left MN for a southern state recently. We can't pull the trigger on the rural part, though, which is why we still end up in commie districts. We like cars not trains, but we also like foodie restaurants, libraries and museums. We still prefer the hippie SWPL grocery stores. So we live in places where we come into contact with liberals, but our lifestyle removes them from view. No tv. No pop culture. Conservative church.

    You can't send the kids to public school, so she needs to be competent as a homeschooler. And you'll still have to play Socratic games with the kids where you remind them that when people want to Share, it means they want to steal from you. Etc. You won't have friends in your neighborhood, but so what.

    > We still prefer the hippie SWPL grocery stores.

    now that right there is the core essence of your problem.

    i believe that you ARE =intellectually= aware that you’d ACTUALLY get better foodstuffs by asking around of the wives of the diesel mechanics at the tractor dealership.

    But you’re addicted to….. i cannot put my finger on it. But I smelled it when I saw it, down at the Whole Foods in La Jolla.

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    you’d ACTUALLY get better foodstuffs by asking around of the wives of the diesel mechanics at the tractor dealership

     

    I suspect those would more likely be at Wal-Mart buying sodas.

    Prevelance of Obesity by Annual Household Income for Persons Ages 18-64
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  • @biz
    Yeah. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems obvious to me that the best way to avoid divorce rape is to marry a woman with an equal or higher income to yours, and to keep her in the workforce.

    I wonder how these manosphere people think the judge will look upon the earnings potential of their high school dropout from Siberia with no work experience.

    This is the point where someone is going to jump in and say that they married an immaculate 20 year old from Uzbekistan that is so traditional that all she wants to do is fuck and pump out babies and wear high heels, and they've had three kids and the wife who has a sixth grade education from her village nonetheless taught them to speak four languages, and she has absolutely no interest in getting visas for her extended whole family and having them live with him, and his post-wall cat lady ex-girlfriend is so jealous when she sees him in Trader Joes with his thin traditional 20 year old wife who nonetheless looks stunning in high heels with their three quatralingual kids in tow, and all I have to say to that person is: pics or it didn't fucking happen.

    Good job destroying the straw man that you created. Is there any one specific person you can point to who said what you are saying?

    The odds of marrying a foreign woman are better if you integrate into their culture. In many places you are already high status in their culture just by being European, although you’d still be a foreigner.

    You can also ‘import’ a wife. The odds of that working out are somewhat worse due to the toxic anti-male culture and perverse incentives in place in America, but it’s up to everyone individually to decide how they want to live their life. I certainly wouldn’t begrudge someone that if they had a good plan and were confident that it would work.

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    "The odds of marrying a foreign woman are better if you integrate into their culture. "

    While I was in Kyoto, Japan last week, I attended an Anglican Church, went to academic lectures in English, and met up with some professors at the university there. A visual pattern was easily discerned: American man with Japanese wife. What struck me, though, was how Americans left their culture for that of Japan. I have known many Japanese women with American husbands in the US, but this was the first time I saw their counterparts in Japan.

    Japan is ethnically Japanese with less than one-percent "gaijin" (foreigner of a non-Asian background). I liked their homogeneity and admired them for keeping their values and culture intact. Such homogeneity has created a crime-free, stable society.

    While walking around the city, I rarely saw strollers. Where were the babies, I wondered? The US looked like a giant preschool after Japan! I do not know why they aren't reproducing. Yes, they are crunched for land, but they've always been that way -- so why are they not making babies now? No answers, here.
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  • @Venator
    Keep in mind that heritability of political attitudes is about 0,5 while the rest seems to be mostly unshared environment - which means you don't know what your children will take from their upbringing.

    Certainly. I was just trying to point out that in this kind of discussion, which I’ve run up on several times, there isn’t much on boys experiencing informal bonds around stable men- repairing things, helping each other out when in need, good, honest humor, unscripted fun. It doesn’t make one necessarily more traditional or conservative, but it’s a huge foundation for it. I see too many boys who grow up without this fall into Coalition of the Fringes mentality, because it is easier to feel “fringy” when they don’t feel a part of something- and relying on scripted time with others only goes so far. I don’t know what you call this- I just know it when I see it.

    Boys who don’t get that are a lot more likely to grow up to be in their 40′s posting memes celebrating assorted fringiness/ edginess in preparation for transition to dying alone.

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  • “GOP’s 2012 Problem Was Not Enough White Votes”

    The problem is alway not enough white people voting their own interest.

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  • @Lot
    Nate Silver has an updated path to victory "snake" for Trump that no longer involves Pennsylvania, but instead involves Trump winning FL, OH, NC, NV, NH and ME-2, with NH being the narrowest win that puts Trump one EV over the top.

    This is only based on polls and demographics.

    The early vote estimates for ME-2 and NV seem to preclude this path and still require one of PA, MI, WI, or CO. The turnout shift away from blacks and toward hispanics points away from CO and toward PA, MI, or WI.

    I've shifted my bets to GOP keeping the Senate and Trump wins NC, both of which are still paying better than even.

    Florida being too close to call makes betting on the margin of EV victory too hard for me so I have shifted that bet toward "easy money" of Trump winning GA and Clinton winning NY.

    GA has polled close, but decreased black early vote turnout in FL and NC on top of Romney's win make this an easy win for Trump. It only pays about 12% after fees, but that is pretty good for the risk in my view.

    Al Gore dashes off to “Green” Colorado today, you may want to revisit your CO bet.

    http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/06/al-gore-campaign-for-hillary-clinton/

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  • Election night is going to be a nail biter because in many states Trump is off Romney numbers with whites but Clinton is off Obama’s number too. A huge number are 3rd party or undecided.

    Now Trump may not need as high a number as Romney due to black turnout dropping but he can’t slip much.
    Wherever these 3rd party/undecided whites pbreak will determine who wins. I hope they realize if Clinton wins we’ll be hearing about Hispanics and their power the rest of our lives.

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  • @Dissident
    How many private schools are left that don't promote Cultural Marxism?

    Plenty, but the homeschool or die crowd rarely has enough household income to pay for tuition at any of them. You do get bulk discounts, incidentally, making them reasonably priced for larger families if the family income is decent. And there’s often scholarships if you do homeschool and want to transition.

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  • @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    Did Ireland's historic (first-ever) rugby union victory over the mighty New Zealand All Blacks, in front of 65,000 at Soldier Field yesterday, impinge on the US sporting public's consciousness at all?

    About as much as Taylor Swifts kick ass show last summer at the same venue in front of a similarly sized crowd! (Tho I assume not the same crowd. Heh heh.)

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  • @Anonymous Nephew
    OT

    Did Ireland's historic (first-ever) rugby union victory over the mighty New Zealand All Blacks, in front of 65,000 at Soldier Field yesterday, impinge on the US sporting public's consciousness at all?

    OT

    Did Ireland’s historic (first-ever) rugby union victory over the mighty New Zealand All Blacks, in front of 65,000 at Soldier Field yesterday, impinge on the US sporting public’s consciousness at all?

    It was mentioned on sportscenter, which is the main nightly tv sports recap if you didn’t know. I also saw it mentioned on a couple sports blogs and message boards, bit those mediums of course skew more sports hipster than your general sports consumer.

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  • @yaqub the mad scientist
    My son turned out liberal on some things and conservative on others- pretty much like me. He lived part of his childhood in a rural area next to a university in a deep red state, and his high school years in a purple area of another red state.
    There's no point in complete shielding- that's almost guaranteed to provoke a reaction in him, particularly if your own grounding in very conservative lifestyle is not that strong.
    If your own thinking is somewhat heterodox compared to the left-right paradigm, I suspect his will be too. You'll differ on some things, but I think what matters- a core way of thinking- will pass on.

    You can join clubs and civic organizations, but there is no substitute for having your children know on a personal level like minded adults and their children. To me, the premier issue is getting a son around intelligent, principled, purposeful men as models- and that is outside structured school/club settings- he needs to be around them in informal settings as well. That is not easy to do these days.

    I will say that a strong sportsman/outdoor/conservation background certainly is a plus.

    Keep in mind that heritability of political attitudes is about 0,5 while the rest seems to be mostly unshared environment – which means you don’t know what your children will take from their upbringing.

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    Certainly. I was just trying to point out that in this kind of discussion, which I've run up on several times, there isn't much on boys experiencing informal bonds around stable men- repairing things, helping each other out when in need, good, honest humor, unscripted fun. It doesn't make one necessarily more traditional or conservative, but it's a huge foundation for it. I see too many boys who grow up without this fall into Coalition of the Fringes mentality, because it is easier to feel "fringy" when they don't feel a part of something- and relying on scripted time with others only goes so far. I don't know what you call this- I just know it when I see it.

    Boys who don't get that are a lot more likely to grow up to be in their 40's posting memes celebrating assorted fringiness/ edginess in preparation for transition to dying alone.
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  • @Alice
    My kids are too young for me to know the answer, but my husband and I doing our best. I believe it can be done if you have a SAHM for a wife who is not a liberal. She's the key. She can't be making wimps of boys. She has to let you play football and wrestle with them, and she can't be raising girls to think they are like boys. She has to understand shame has its place, as does pain. As does them solving their own problems. Would you trust her with a firearm? Does she approve of them? You don't need to be a hunter, just a shooter. Football or judo is good for toughness too.

    I've been stuck in commie congressional districts for 25 years, but left CA for MN when MN was considered purple and left MN for a southern state recently. We can't pull the trigger on the rural part, though, which is why we still end up in commie districts. We like cars not trains, but we also like foodie restaurants, libraries and museums. We still prefer the hippie SWPL grocery stores. So we live in places where we come into contact with liberals, but our lifestyle removes them from view. No tv. No pop culture. Conservative church.

    You can't send the kids to public school, so she needs to be competent as a homeschooler. And you'll still have to play Socratic games with the kids where you remind them that when people want to Share, it means they want to steal from you. Etc. You won't have friends in your neighborhood, but so what.

    No tv. No pop culture. Conservative church.

    I have great respect for all three of those choices.

    I wonder, though, about the matter of Internet exposure. Have you given any thought as to how you will deal with that? (Sounds as if you’re children are still too young for it to be a concern yet.)

    And you’ll still have to play Socratic games with the kids where you remind them that when people want to Share, it means they want to steal from you. Etc.

    I don’t understand this. Surely, you cannot be suggesting that all sharing is the equivalent of stealing.

    Was your capitalization of “Share” deliberate?

    You won’t have friends in your neighborhood, but so what.

    Does that mean that your children’s opportunities for socializing with peers are limited to those you drive them to or who drive to your home? No playing with neighbors? (And, if home-schooled, then presumably none at school.)

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  • @The Practical Conservative
    Private school is also an option. Telling women they have to homeschool plus do all the household stuff is fertility inhibiting since they can be "moderates" and not have to homeschool the kids or they get to have a maid if they do. So they go that route much more often.

    How many private schools are left that don’t promote Cultural Marxism?

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    Plenty, but the homeschool or die crowd rarely has enough household income to pay for tuition at any of them. You do get bulk discounts, incidentally, making them reasonably priced for larger families if the family income is decent. And there's often scholarships if you do homeschool and want to transition.
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  • @Flip
    Nope. Although I saw a lot of people wearing green wandering around Chicago yesterday.

    Usually if you see a bunch of people walking around Chicago wearing a particular color,the best thing to do is haul ass,as you are probably about to be shot.

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  • Steve Sailer,

    I think that there is something more to consider: About 45 million white people sat out the election in 2012. So, it is not simply trying to get more of thw white vote. It is also getting more of the whites to turnout and vote for you.

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  • @SFG
    I always thought yammering on about divorce settlements (an issue that more men *do* very much need to be aware of) and then arguing for marrying a young woman with no career always struck me as more typical of the writer's fantasies than actual reality, since I actually did consult a divorce lawyer, and was told a career woman was best in that regard since most formulas work off the difference between the partners' incomes. (I was also advised not to get married and to formally legitimate the child if I wanted to pass on property, which is the sort of bizarre counterintuitive thing I wonder if I could actually get away with.) Also a younger woman has the most leftover time with good looks to be stolen by another man--a 35 year old is going to have a lot less time to be eat-pray-loving you unless she's really nuts (which some women are!)

    Now a young woman will of course have the widest window to produce the most children, but there is a good for me/good for America tradeoff here that they need to at least point out. ROK doesn't even bring up alimony risk, which is a huge oversight in a website supposedly devoted to helping men. It's a nice example of ideological blinders, actually.

    Thanks to all of you for all your help!

    Dude, it’s simple. Earn enough money that you can support a wife as the majority income and then marry a woman who goes to church. Have three or more children with her and have her stay home with them. Suddenly you have a single digit risk of divorce.

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  • @Alice
    My kids are too young for me to know the answer, but my husband and I doing our best. I believe it can be done if you have a SAHM for a wife who is not a liberal. She's the key. She can't be making wimps of boys. She has to let you play football and wrestle with them, and she can't be raising girls to think they are like boys. She has to understand shame has its place, as does pain. As does them solving their own problems. Would you trust her with a firearm? Does she approve of them? You don't need to be a hunter, just a shooter. Football or judo is good for toughness too.

    I've been stuck in commie congressional districts for 25 years, but left CA for MN when MN was considered purple and left MN for a southern state recently. We can't pull the trigger on the rural part, though, which is why we still end up in commie districts. We like cars not trains, but we also like foodie restaurants, libraries and museums. We still prefer the hippie SWPL grocery stores. So we live in places where we come into contact with liberals, but our lifestyle removes them from view. No tv. No pop culture. Conservative church.

    You can't send the kids to public school, so she needs to be competent as a homeschooler. And you'll still have to play Socratic games with the kids where you remind them that when people want to Share, it means they want to steal from you. Etc. You won't have friends in your neighborhood, but so what.

    Private school is also an option. Telling women they have to homeschool plus do all the household stuff is fertility inhibiting since they can be “moderates” and not have to homeschool the kids or they get to have a maid if they do. So they go that route much more often.

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    How many private schools are left that don't promote Cultural Marxism?
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  • @Fleshman
    Well this doesn't refute the Sailer strategy. It's just that the strategy has to be executed with more finesse than Trump is doing. For every "Badwhite" he attracts he is probably repelling 1.5-2 "Goodwhites" based mostly on his antics, personality and total lack of decorum. He has made it hard for respectable people to openly support him even if they are sympathetic to his issues.

    Make no mistake: Trump is underperforming among economically secure whites in suburban and exurban places who have voted Republican for years.

    My guess is that Trump will underperform Romney among whites overall (some of whom are voting for Johnson) and so Trump does not refute the Sailer strategy.

    Sailer is right--the next successful GOP candidate will be one who can attract Trump voters without turning off normal Republicans.

    Make no mistake: Trump is underperforming among economically secure whites in suburban and exurban places who have voted Republican for years.

    Those “economically secure whites” are very left-wing in their thought processes, and anything Trump (or any other candidate) did to appeal to them would cost him votes among the more conservative whites. It’s not a circle which can easily be squared. Those people WANT to screw over poorer whites by “free trade” and open borders, secure in their own protected jobs and enclaves.

    dividing whites is at best a tricky strategy.

    They’ve been divided by class for a long time, Trump’s not the one doing it to them. What’s different about Trump is that he’s appealing to the white working class instead of the white wealthy class, which is the norm for Republicans.

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    "dividing whites is at best a tricky strategy."

    They’ve been divided by class for a long time, Trump’s not the one doing it to them.
     
    In every recent election white people with a university education voted for the Republican (Romney carried this group by 14% - Trump is losing it by 7%, a 21% swing). As did white women (Romney got 56% of their vote).

    What’s different about Trump is that he’s appealing to the white working class instead of the white wealthy class, which is the norm for Republicans.
     
    The real story about Trump with respect to white voters is that while he has, indeed, gathered together the subset of whites who are working class and male, he has also split the white vote - something no previous Republican candidate has managed to do.
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  • @AP
    I just checked the stats - Romney won university-educated white voters by 14%. Trump is losing this group by 7%. Attacking "the elites" or "cucks" essentially means attacking educated whites. trump's movement may make up for this through maximizing white working class votes, but dividing whites is at best a tricky strategy.

    A lot of non-University educated whites stayed home because Romney was such a poor candidate. Trump is a stronger candidate and the harpy is a weaker one. If she does as well as Obama did it will be the result of fraud, the fact that the media has congealed into a fascist-like propaganda combination, or a combination of these two factors. Meanwhile, some evidence indicates that educated types sometimes do not reveal to pollsters their preference for Trump because it is politically incorrect or damaging to their professional status, so the polling figures may be skewed somewhat. I would also expect a much lower black turnout for somebody carrying the harpy’s baggage. We’ll see what happens, but I suspect that the gist of the headline of the reprinted 2013 article really is that if the white vote increases as a proportion of the total, which it should, things may not follow the predicted polling model, which is based on 2012 turnout tweaked somewhat to favour the pollsters’ predilections since they are part of the same media combine which is fully in the bag for the harpy.

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    Meanwhile, some evidence indicates that educated types sometimes do not reveal to pollsters their preference for Trump because it is politically incorrect or damaging to their professional status, so the polling figures may be skewed somewhat.
     
    This may be account for a few % but the magnitude of the shift is such that it doesn't make a big difference. Romney won college-educated whites by 14%, Trump is losing them (according to polls) by 7%. Even if the actual figure is a loss of 2% or so it's still a large shift.

    Romney won among white women, getting 56% of their vote. Trump was getting 43% at the end of October.

    Trump is the first Republican candidate to split the white vote and to lose large segments of white voters.

    A lot of non-University educated whites stayed home because Romney was such a poor candidate.
     
    If Trump pulls off a win it will be because of this, plus lower black and other Democratic turnout.
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  • @AP

    Even if he loses, as long as it isn’t a landslide, I think it vindicates the theory.
     
    Not necessarily. I think we can agree that Obama is a much, much better candidate than Clinton. If Trump does worse against horrible-candidate Clinton than Romney did against Obama, this may be seen as a repudiation of Trump and of the ideas he espouses. What if Trump, who turns off educated white people and may be the first Republican in recent history to lose among whites with university education, gets a lower % of the white vote than Romney did?

    Ideally, someone will get the message that some of the ideas Trump has been promoting are important, and a more acceptable candidate (such as Tom Cotton?) will emerge as a potential president. But I suspect it is likely that the lesson learned will be double down on the Rubio strategy.

    I think we can agree that Obama is a much, much better candidate than Clinton.

    Nonsense. Obama was an appallingly bad candidate with a dreadful record. He got elected because the press was completely on his side and because many in the GOP at least tacitly sided with him. Clinton is also a bad candidate, and is also being propped up by a North Korean style press and by the support of elements within the Republican Party.

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  • Whiskey is going to hate this, but the Republicans probably need to focus more on white female voters. Centre-right parties in other Anglo countries usually get at least 40 percent of the female vote. White males for the Republicans are like blacks for the Democrats – a group that can be taken for granted. However, the Republicans need to pander to white females with specific female-orientated policies and marketing.

    Leaning further to the left of health care, a female running mate for the presidential candidate, less hawkish rhetoric on foreign policy, and lots of social media campaigning should help a lot. Trump is already up with the play on the last point.

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  • @Jason Liu
    Perhaps, but with declining white populations appealing to white votes is a dead end. It will bring short term victory at best, and then what? At some point there just won't be enough whites.

    I think something can be learned by studying right wing movements in Latin America, and how they manage/circumvent the race issue. Highlighting or exaggerating leftist corruption to poor, uneducated minorities seems to work moderately well, for the same reason the left is able to capitalize on their votes, because these people are politically innocent.

    In America, this tactic is subverted by the left, who use their media platforms to scream about racism as much as possible, thereby occluding any other interests naive minority groups have. So it comes back to the same thing. Before the right can make grand moves, it must take out the ideological, urbanite, and predominantly white left.

    Perhaps, but with declining white populations appealing to white votes is a dead end.

    Stop declining the white population then. It’s something being deliberately done by human beings, not some force of nature like gravity.

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  • @BenKenobi
    If we BadWhites are democratically swamped then perhaps it's time to look at other options.

    I mean, we all agree that America is the Titanic... why not steal all the lifeboats and depart if we know the conclusion?

    "Welcome to my nightmare, you're gonna like it..."

    Where would you suggest we flee to?

    As I’ve quoted the late radio artist Bob Grant before,
    “I wish there were there somewhere to go, because I’d go there.”

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    You are quite correct, there is nowhere to go.

    However, the balkanization of North America is inevitable.

    With a lot of hard work, and little luck, one of the new nations be a "White Israel".

    Of course my first choice is that the God-Emperor and His loyal Space Marines are successful in Making America Great Again.
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  • It’s interesting to read this by Steve while this open borders puff piece by National Review is also being covered here on the main page.

    http://www.unz.com/article/national-review-conservatism-inc-plan-to-cave-even-more-on-immigration/

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  • @SFG
    Iffy. Whites are likely to remain a numerical majority for at least the few decades. It's not over yet.

    I'm thinking about taking the risk of divorce rape and trying to find a lady to pump out a few hopefully right-wing kids. I don't know if I can do all the rural hunting-type stuff though...and without it I may just wind up making more liberal urbanites. Any thoughts on this from people who have lived in both environments, or who have produced conservative kids in liberal areas?

    My kids are too young for me to know the answer, but my husband and I doing our best. I believe it can be done if you have a SAHM for a wife who is not a liberal. She’s the key. She can’t be making wimps of boys. She has to let you play football and wrestle with them, and she can’t be raising girls to think they are like boys. She has to understand shame has its place, as does pain. As does them solving their own problems. Would you trust her with a firearm? Does she approve of them? You don’t need to be a hunter, just a shooter. Football or judo is good for toughness too.

    I’ve been stuck in commie congressional districts for 25 years, but left CA for MN when MN was considered purple and left MN for a southern state recently. We can’t pull the trigger on the rural part, though, which is why we still end up in commie districts. We like cars not trains, but we also like foodie restaurants, libraries and museums. We still prefer the hippie SWPL grocery stores. So we live in places where we come into contact with liberals, but our lifestyle removes them from view. No tv. No pop culture. Conservative church.

    You can’t send the kids to public school, so she needs to be competent as a homeschooler. And you’ll still have to play Socratic games with the kids where you remind them that when people want to Share, it means they want to steal from you. Etc. You won’t have friends in your neighborhood, but so what.

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    Private school is also an option. Telling women they have to homeschool plus do all the household stuff is fertility inhibiting since they can be "moderates" and not have to homeschool the kids or they get to have a maid if they do. So they go that route much more often.
    , @Dissident

    No tv. No pop culture. Conservative church.
     
    I have great respect for all three of those choices.

    I wonder, though, about the matter of Internet exposure. Have you given any thought as to how you will deal with that? (Sounds as if you're children are still too young for it to be a concern yet.)

    And you’ll still have to play Socratic games with the kids where you remind them that when people want to Share, it means they want to steal from you. Etc.
     
    I don't understand this. Surely, you cannot be suggesting that all sharing is the equivalent of stealing.

    Was your capitalization of "Share" deliberate?

    You won’t have friends in your neighborhood, but so what.
     
    Does that mean that your children's opportunities for socializing with peers are limited to those you drive them to or who drive to your home? No playing with neighbors? (And, if home-schooled, then presumably none at school.)
    , @Karl
    > We still prefer the hippie SWPL grocery stores.

    now that right there is the core essence of your problem.

    i believe that you ARE =intellectually= aware that you'd ACTUALLY get better foodstuffs by asking around of the wives of the diesel mechanics at the tractor dealership.

    But you're addicted to..... i cannot put my finger on it. But I smelled it when I saw it, down at the Whole Foods in La Jolla.
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  • @ATX Hipster
    Yeah don't trust goodwhites to suddenly gain racial consciousness. Sweden is probably a good predictor of what they'll do - dig themselves and their country into a hole too deep to climb out of and then apologize for existing as they're raped economically and literally. Look at, say, Pajama Boy, and tell me that there's a point where that guy decides it's time to take his country back. The notion is laughable.

    Look at, say, Pajama Boy, and tell me that there’s a point where that guy decides it’s time to take his country back. The notion is laughable.

    Pajama Boy already has a country that was explicitly formed to be a ‘safe space’ for Pajama Boys and Girls. He doesn’t need to take it back.

    When Pajama People living outside of this safe space lecture founding stock of the host country that “This country isn’t yours! You don’t own it! It never was!”— things may get contentious.

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  • @AP

    Even if he loses, as long as it isn’t a landslide, I think it vindicates the theory.
     
    Not necessarily. I think we can agree that Obama is a much, much better candidate than Clinton. If Trump does worse against horrible-candidate Clinton than Romney did against Obama, this may be seen as a repudiation of Trump and of the ideas he espouses. What if Trump, who turns off educated white people and may be the first Republican in recent history to lose among whites with university education, gets a lower % of the white vote than Romney did?

    Ideally, someone will get the message that some of the ideas Trump has been promoting are important, and a more acceptable candidate (such as Tom Cotton?) will emerge as a potential president. But I suspect it is likely that the lesson learned will be double down on the Rubio strategy.

    Who is this Tom Cotton? Why do people keep mentioning his name? Has he been calling out those who wish to use America as a mule to build their market?

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  • It’s a modern truism that you can’t have both a functioning welfare state and open borders. Is it possible to have democracy and open borders? Is there any literature on the subject?

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  • @Jack D

    people who are willing to ignore the fact that Democratic policies will drive down the standard of living for the vast majority of white people in order to virtue signal about diversity politics
     
    This is not a bug but a feature - a good way to increase your relative status (especially if other routes are not available to you) is to drive down the relative status of your competitors. The traditional route of upward mobility is pretty much closed for most young people. Status displays of material goods are passe - EVERYBODY owns a 60" flat screen TV (or could buy one for cheap if they wanted it.)

    Goodwhites have no problem with the standard of living being driven down for white people so long as those white people do not include themselves. Usually, if goodwhites have jobs as school teachers or bureaucrats or in the HR dept, or living on their divorce settlement, they have nothing to worry about - yet. And by the time they do, it will probably be too late, as per the old "first they came for..." meme.

    The OJ verdict should have served as a warning to white females - racial solidarity trumps sisterhood. But the lesson was not drawn.

    Yes, I agree with your point about Whites seeking to raise their status by purposefully dragging down the status of other Whites.

    But, it seem that Whites and not other racial and ethnic groups are especially prone to this.

    I don’t think that the Japanese, Chinese, or other Asian cultures would consider doing this to other members of their group (at least to the degree that it is occurring in White countries). There is still too much much ethnic pride and sense of solidarity among Asians. Something that has been washed out of Whites. The rest of the world still thinks more as a tribe and less as a class for the most part.

    Ultimately, it will be a disaster for Whites living in these cultures . In the USA the already declining life expectancy of working class Whites and dramatic increase in the suicide rates of Whites (much discussed on these boards recently) is already evidence of this.

    A lot of historical, cultural and perhaps even genetic facts could explain this difference between White cultures and other cultures.

    It could even be a structural problem ….Whites have advanced tolerant industrial societies that people want to move to and other groups either don’t have these types of places or haven’t been able to create them (excepting Japan of course).

    Any thoughts about the causes? Are there one or two causes that are more important than the other causes (e.g. a Christian ethos, Cultural Marxism, the feminization of politics, White cultural emphasis on individualism rather than collectivism, etc…)

    Or am I wrong and it could (and will?) eventually happen to any racial or ethnic group ( for example there are signs that Koreans in South Korean have caught the diversity bug) under the right set of circumstances?

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  • Hillary’s problem, on the other hand, has been too many white male voters.

    As the democrats have done for so many years, they cast this election as if it’s 1850, blacks are still slaves and women are held helpless prisoners in the kitchen. And white male behavior was the essential issue in 19th century Temperance campaigns, don’t forget.

    Clinton spoke from the pulpit to a largely African American congregation of Mount Airy Church of God in Christ, in Philadelphia.

    “We didn’t all get to vote, did we?” she said, lumping in women’s struggle for equality together with slavery.

    (Breitbart)

    We’re all victims here, she said, and I guess we all know who the white male oppressor is in this election.

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  • @SFG
    I always thought yammering on about divorce settlements (an issue that more men *do* very much need to be aware of) and then arguing for marrying a young woman with no career always struck me as more typical of the writer's fantasies than actual reality, since I actually did consult a divorce lawyer, and was told a career woman was best in that regard since most formulas work off the difference between the partners' incomes. (I was also advised not to get married and to formally legitimate the child if I wanted to pass on property, which is the sort of bizarre counterintuitive thing I wonder if I could actually get away with.) Also a younger woman has the most leftover time with good looks to be stolen by another man--a 35 year old is going to have a lot less time to be eat-pray-loving you unless she's really nuts (which some women are!)

    Now a young woman will of course have the widest window to produce the most children, but there is a good for me/good for America tradeoff here that they need to at least point out. ROK doesn't even bring up alimony risk, which is a huge oversight in a website supposedly devoted to helping men. It's a nice example of ideological blinders, actually.

    Thanks to all of you for all your help!

    Yeah. I’m not a lawyer, but it seems obvious to me that the best way to avoid divorce rape is to marry a woman with an equal or higher income to yours, and to keep her in the workforce.

    I wonder how these manosphere people think the judge will look upon the earnings potential of their high school dropout from Siberia with no work experience.

    This is the point where someone is going to jump in and say that they married an immaculate 20 year old from Uzbekistan that is so traditional that all she wants to do is fuck and pump out babies and wear high heels, and they’ve had three kids and the wife who has a sixth grade education from her village nonetheless taught them to speak four languages, and she has absolutely no interest in getting visas for her extended whole family and having them live with him, and his post-wall cat lady ex-girlfriend is so jealous when she sees him in Trader Joes with his thin traditional 20 year old wife who nonetheless looks stunning in high heels with their three quatralingual kids in tow, and all I have to say to that person is: pics or it didn’t fucking happen.

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    Good job destroying the straw man that you created. Is there any one specific person you can point to who said what you are saying?

    The odds of marrying a foreign woman are better if you integrate into their culture. In many places you are already high status in their culture just by being European, although you'd still be a foreigner.

    You can also 'import' a wife. The odds of that working out are somewhat worse due to the toxic anti-male culture and perverse incentives in place in America, but it's up to everyone individually to decide how they want to live their life. I certainly wouldn't begrudge someone that if they had a good plan and were confident that it would work.
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  • The reason the Sailer strategy will never work in the future is because Catholics aren’t as individualistic as Protestants. Even with 5 Justices on the Supreme Court, Catholics still see themselves as outsiders. They are naturally at home with Democrats. Two-thirds of Catholics in the Senate are Dem. Or at least they were a few years ago when I actually counted. White Protestants became a minority in 2015. All those states with the high white numbers for Romney are White Protestant states. The Sailer strategy really only ever applied to them. This is the only time it can work–this election–while there are still enough of them left. The media gave such helI, too. Maybe it never could have worked. Steve didn’t factor in the Big Media component. The more you push for a Sailer strategy, the angrier Big Media gets, the more they fire up outsiders to go vote.

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  • Even if you could get all the white folks together, they’re still a declining proportion of the population, and it gets worse every 4 years.

    Republicans really need to find a way to split off some other ethnic groups, maybe an alliance of respectable ethnics vs the poor ones. Making more effort to distinguish between legal immigrants and the other kind would be a good place to start.

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  • @AP
    I just checked the stats - Romney won university-educated white voters by 14%. Trump is losing this group by 7%. Attacking "the elites" or "cucks" essentially means attacking educated whites. trump's movement may make up for this through maximizing white working class votes, but dividing whites is at best a tricky strategy.

    Not that it completely negates your point, but there is a documented “Shy Trump” effect among college “educated” White people.

    http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/donald-trump-supporters-shy-voters-hillary-clinton-leading-2016-presidential-polls-politico/

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  • @SFG
    I always thought yammering on about divorce settlements (an issue that more men *do* very much need to be aware of) and then arguing for marrying a young woman with no career always struck me as more typical of the writer's fantasies than actual reality, since I actually did consult a divorce lawyer, and was told a career woman was best in that regard since most formulas work off the difference between the partners' incomes. (I was also advised not to get married and to formally legitimate the child if I wanted to pass on property, which is the sort of bizarre counterintuitive thing I wonder if I could actually get away with.) Also a younger woman has the most leftover time with good looks to be stolen by another man--a 35 year old is going to have a lot less time to be eat-pray-loving you unless she's really nuts (which some women are!)

    Now a young woman will of course have the widest window to produce the most children, but there is a good for me/good for America tradeoff here that they need to at least point out. ROK doesn't even bring up alimony risk, which is a huge oversight in a website supposedly devoted to helping men. It's a nice example of ideological blinders, actually.

    Thanks to all of you for all your help!

    there is a good for me/good for America tradeoff here that they need to at least point out

    It’s a huge tradeoff, too. You’re trapped once you’re married. But once you have kids, assuming you care about being able to spend time with them, you’re her bitch.

    You’re right about the differences between older career women and younger women wrt time on their hands and ability to trade their looks, but you didn’t mention the likely compromise you’ll be making in the quality as a mother you’d likely be making with the career woman. I’m acquainted with a woman who has decided to try to focus less on her career and spend more time with her kid. Sounds great, except she only made this decision after losing her second child at 6 months, after having gone back to work without taking maternity leave. Think real hard about marrying a woman with priorities like that before you make any decisions.

    Bear in mind that a 35 yr old may not have the looks she once did – but there will always be a guy around thirsty enough not to care.

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    "It’s a huge tradeoff, too. You’re trapped once you’re married. But once you have kids, assuming you care about being able to spend time with them, you’re her bitch."

    You must not be married or have kids, because that's not how it works. Pro tip --> Stop reading Roissy and ROK.

    "You’re right about the differences between older career women and younger women wrt time on their hands and ability to trade their looks, but you didn’t mention the likely compromise you’ll be making in the quality as a mother you’d likely be making with the career woman."

    Assuming that career woman are less likely to be a quality mother to their children. Again, you must not be married or have children.
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  • @SFG
    I always thought yammering on about divorce settlements (an issue that more men *do* very much need to be aware of) and then arguing for marrying a young woman with no career always struck me as more typical of the writer's fantasies than actual reality, since I actually did consult a divorce lawyer, and was told a career woman was best in that regard since most formulas work off the difference between the partners' incomes. (I was also advised not to get married and to formally legitimate the child if I wanted to pass on property, which is the sort of bizarre counterintuitive thing I wonder if I could actually get away with.) Also a younger woman has the most leftover time with good looks to be stolen by another man--a 35 year old is going to have a lot less time to be eat-pray-loving you unless she's really nuts (which some women are!)

    Now a young woman will of course have the widest window to produce the most children, but there is a good for me/good for America tradeoff here that they need to at least point out. ROK doesn't even bring up alimony risk, which is a huge oversight in a website supposedly devoted to helping men. It's a nice example of ideological blinders, actually.

    Thanks to all of you for all your help!

    “was told a career woman was best”

    Maybe, but check the Chateau’s list of which careers are best (hint: don’t marry lawyers).

    “I was also advised not to get married and to formally legitimate the child if I wanted to pass on property, which is the sort of bizarre counterintuitive thing I wonder if I could actually get away with”

    Our bizarre counter-intuitive (not to mention counter-rational) legal regime leads to bizarre counter-intuitive strategies to survive it.

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  • @Almost Missouri
    For those of us who can't login to Gab, can you copy and paste?

    I thought that gab was open access now …

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  • @Lot
    American Indians in South Dakota and the Southwest tend to block vote for Democrats. Rick Renzi, a Republican congressmen who went to jail in the Abramoff scandal, somehow managed to get the Navajo vote however.

    The difference may be that most of these Oklahoma "Indians" are primarily of European ancestry, which is not the case on the SD and AZ reservations. Vox Day does not look Indian in the slightest. I am not aware of him identifying as Indian as opposed to a white guy with minor Indian ancestry.

    I am not aware of him identifying as Indian as opposed to a white guy with minor Indian ancestry.

    He identifies as part Indian and Mexican often if you read his blog.

    “He is of English, Irish, Mexican, and Native American descent.”

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Vox_Day#Personal_life

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  • @Jack D
    As more and more goodwhites realize that they have been marginalized by elites and are now on the receiving rather than the giving end of the screwing that corporate America, affirmative action, Section 8, etc. has been giving to badwhites, they will join the badwhite category. The problem is that by the time that they realized this, it will be too late - the coalition of the fringes will be big enough that they will be able to operate without the need for whites of any kind, good or bad.

    Yeah don’t trust goodwhites to suddenly gain racial consciousness. Sweden is probably a good predictor of what they’ll do – dig themselves and their country into a hole too deep to climb out of and then apologize for existing as they’re raped economically and literally. Look at, say, Pajama Boy, and tell me that there’s a point where that guy decides it’s time to take his country back. The notion is laughable.

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    Look at, say, Pajama Boy, and tell me that there’s a point where that guy decides it’s time to take his country back. The notion is laughable.
     
    Pajama Boy already has a country that was explicitly formed to be a ‘safe space’ for Pajama Boys and Girls. He doesn’t need to take it back.

    When Pajama People living outside of this safe space lecture founding stock of the host country that “This country isn’t yours! You don’t own it! It never was!”— things may get contentious.

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  • @anonguy
    As for election fraud, consider yourself a Democrat operative who is going to commit felony voter fraud on Tuesday.

    Do you have confidence that there is a viable Dem. machine that will be backing you up, rigging things for you?

    While 100s of millions of people have just been seriously redpilled about all the election rigging/vote fraud, why D's are so in favor of early voting, gives them time to fill out all the absentee ballots..

    I think the willingness amongst the D ranks to do this stuff is crumbling. It is kind of like when El Presidente's troops are unwilling to shoot on their fellow citizens, whether out of ethics or fear.

    Maybe, but the thing about fraud is it’s not one-man-one-vote anymore. Once you decide to commit fraud, you can manufacture an awful lot of votes with very few fraudsters.

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  • @biz
    The most important thing you can do is raise your children to think independently, be responsible, and have skills and interests other than posting about their trivialities to social media.

    This means they have to be, at a minimum, genetically intelligent from the start, which means that you have to select a naturally smart person to be their mother. I know this goes against the standard advice to import a submissive 18 year old virgin from Siberia without regard to IQ, but there you have it.

    If you have a kid who is genetically capable of not being a shallow mouth-breather, then as they are growing up the onus is on you to limit screen time, mitigate the damage from shallow peers with conversations of your own, and train them in useful age-appropriate skills such as cooking, fixing things, etc.

    I always thought yammering on about divorce settlements (an issue that more men *do* very much need to be aware of) and then arguing for marrying a young woman with no career always struck me as more typical of the writer’s fantasies than actual reality, since I actually did consult a divorce lawyer, and was told a career woman was best in that regard since most formulas work off the difference between the partners’ incomes. (I was also advised not to get married and to formally legitimate the child if I wanted to pass on property, which is the sort of bizarre counterintuitive thing I wonder if I could actually get away with.) Also a younger woman has the most leftover time with good looks to be stolen by another man–a 35 year old is going to have a lot less time to be eat-pray-loving you unless she’s really nuts (which some women are!)

    Now a young woman will of course have the widest window to produce the most children, but there is a good for me/good for America tradeoff here that they need to at least point out. ROK doesn’t even bring up alimony risk, which is a huge oversight in a website supposedly devoted to helping men. It’s a nice example of ideological blinders, actually.

    Thanks to all of you for all your help!

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    "was told a career woman was best"
     
    Maybe, but check the Chateau's list of which careers are best (hint: don't marry lawyers).

    "I was also advised not to get married and to formally legitimate the child if I wanted to pass on property, which is the sort of bizarre counterintuitive thing I wonder if I could actually get away with"
     
    Our bizarre counter-intuitive (not to mention counter-rational) legal regime leads to bizarre counter-intuitive strategies to survive it.
    , @ATX Hipster

    there is a good for me/good for America tradeoff here that they need to at least point out
     
    It's a huge tradeoff, too. You're trapped once you're married. But once you have kids, assuming you care about being able to spend time with them, you're her bitch.

    You're right about the differences between older career women and younger women wrt time on their hands and ability to trade their looks, but you didn't mention the likely compromise you'll be making in the quality as a mother you'd likely be making with the career woman. I'm acquainted with a woman who has decided to try to focus less on her career and spend more time with her kid. Sounds great, except she only made this decision after losing her second child at 6 months, after having gone back to work without taking maternity leave. Think real hard about marrying a woman with priorities like that before you make any decisions.

    Bear in mind that a 35 yr old may not have the looks she once did - but there will always be a guy around thirsty enough not to care.
    , @biz
    Yeah. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems obvious to me that the best way to avoid divorce rape is to marry a woman with an equal or higher income to yours, and to keep her in the workforce.

    I wonder how these manosphere people think the judge will look upon the earnings potential of their high school dropout from Siberia with no work experience.

    This is the point where someone is going to jump in and say that they married an immaculate 20 year old from Uzbekistan that is so traditional that all she wants to do is fuck and pump out babies and wear high heels, and they've had three kids and the wife who has a sixth grade education from her village nonetheless taught them to speak four languages, and she has absolutely no interest in getting visas for her extended whole family and having them live with him, and his post-wall cat lady ex-girlfriend is so jealous when she sees him in Trader Joes with his thin traditional 20 year old wife who nonetheless looks stunning in high heels with their three quatralingual kids in tow, and all I have to say to that person is: pics or it didn't fucking happen.

    , @The Practical Conservative
    Dude, it's simple. Earn enough money that you can support a wife as the majority income and then marry a woman who goes to church. Have three or more children with her and have her stay home with them. Suddenly you have a single digit risk of divorce.
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  • @Anonymous
    "I mean, we all agree that America is the Titanic… why not steal all the lifeboats and depart if we know the conclusion?"

    Isn't that what alot of the elites have been doing? Increasing their share of the wealth over the last few decades, getting the govt to go deep in debt to prop up the stock market so they'll be able to sell out high when the sh*t starts to hit the fan?

    It is what we are doing as a nation; low taxes, high government spending leading to large and growing deficits to be financed by trade deficits earned by exporters abroad. disturbing any variable in the equation will cause great instability (high interest rates, high inflation, high unemployment, falling dollar – anyone remember misery index of ’70s? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index_(economics) ).

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  • @TelfoedJohn
    OT: Al Franken has accused a Trump ad of being antisemitic.
    "a German shepherd whistle, a dog whistle"
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/06/senator-al-franken-accuses-donald-trump-of-launching-antisemitic-tv-ad

    Strangely enough, four out of the last five Minnesota senators have been Jewish. Jews make up 1.45% of Minnesota's population. Sounds anti-gentile to me.

    Given that not even NY is like that, I’d chalk it up to some weird Minnesota thing.

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  • @Whiskey
    Yeah, Comey like all White male upper managers caved; and now probably faces a total revolt by the FBI lower ranks who know Hillary will fire them ALL and replace them with non-Whites; same with the NYPD. That's the fruit of the Dem's War on Cops; the higher ups go along but the lower ranks revolt as they see no other option anyway. I fully expect the FBI and local police to be nearly 100% non-White in a few years.

    I figure we will see all sorts of stuff leak out today/tomorrow from angry FBI agents Whistleblowing on the dirty deals Hillary had going; and thus the Palmieri tweet. Hillary probably wins with this Comey move.

    Lesson again learned. It is better to be feared than loved, and those who know Hillary the best fear her. I have no doubt she personally threatened Comey and like most men with women like that he caved.

    Timing is too bizarre: I don’t think anything matters anymore – people aren’t going to suddenly vote for her. The people who will vote for Trump will do so; same thing with Hillary.

    FBI move this Sunday sounds way too fishy/wussie…sounds like they are being blackmailed (it is just too schizoid from last week to this week) so, the public may feel that this is very ominous and creepy. Ominous in that anyone can be taken out of the path of Clinton for any reason, at anytime. It seems too flippant to make such a decision 2 days before the election.

    Besides, the grifting; Saudi, Qatari, Algerian, Moroccan millions are just too disgusting…funding of ISIS and all, lingering bad blood with Libya. And, the Russian uranium deal torpedoes her integrity. Nobody wants to see this slimy, lying grifter couple back in the WH. And, yeah, all those FBI agents will be terminated. Somebody blinked.

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  • @SFG
    Iffy. Whites are likely to remain a numerical majority for at least the few decades. It's not over yet.

    I'm thinking about taking the risk of divorce rape and trying to find a lady to pump out a few hopefully right-wing kids. I don't know if I can do all the rural hunting-type stuff though...and without it I may just wind up making more liberal urbanites. Any thoughts on this from people who have lived in both environments, or who have produced conservative kids in liberal areas?

    My son turned out liberal on some things and conservative on others- pretty much like me. He lived part of his childhood in a rural area next to a university in a deep red state, and his high school years in a purple area of another red state.
    There’s no point in complete shielding- that’s almost guaranteed to provoke a reaction in him, particularly if your own grounding in very conservative lifestyle is not that strong.
    If your own thinking is somewhat heterodox compared to the left-right paradigm, I suspect his will be too. You’ll differ on some things, but I think what matters- a core way of thinking- will pass on.

    You can join clubs and civic organizations, but there is no substitute for having your children know on a personal level like minded adults and their children. To me, the premier issue is getting a son around intelligent, principled, purposeful men as models- and that is outside structured school/club settings- he needs to be around them in informal settings as well. That is not easy to do these days.

    I will say that a strong sportsman/outdoor/conservation background certainly is a plus.

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    Keep in mind that heritability of political attitudes is about 0,5 while the rest seems to be mostly unshared environment - which means you don't know what your children will take from their upbringing.
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  • @John Gruskos
    American Indians seem to be the second most conservative group, after Whites.

    Romney won 71% of "other" in Oklahoma, in other words American Indians.

    Alt-Right luminaries David Yeagley and Vox Day are American Indians.

    American Indians in South Dakota and the Southwest tend to block vote for Democrats. Rick Renzi, a Republican congressmen who went to jail in the Abramoff scandal, somehow managed to get the Navajo vote however.

    The difference may be that most of these Oklahoma “Indians” are primarily of European ancestry, which is not the case on the SD and AZ reservations. Vox Day does not look Indian in the slightest. I am not aware of him identifying as Indian as opposed to a white guy with minor Indian ancestry.

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    I am not aware of him identifying as Indian as opposed to a white guy with minor Indian ancestry.

     

    He identifies as part Indian and Mexican often if you read his blog.

    "He is of English, Irish, Mexican, and Native American descent."
    https://infogalactic.com/info/Vox_Day#Personal_life
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  • @The most deplorable one
    As this gab on Gab suggests, that tends to validate the authenticity of all the Wikileaks so far:

    https://gab.ai/Crew/posts/1358228

    For those of us who can’t login to Gab, can you copy and paste?

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    I thought that gab was open access now ...
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  • @Anonymous Nephew
    OT again - Kay Starr dies at 94.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/nov/06/kay-starr-obituary

    Her signature song, Wheel of Fortune, was used to great effect in L.A. Confidential.

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  • @LondonBob
    LOL I did notice the over representation, but I think that just reflects the Jewish over representation in the elites.

    I noticed the over-representation too………….because it is real. Al Franken is part of the same over-representation in the Senate. If he has an issue with the ad, his issue is with reality.

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  • @Lord Jeff Sessions
    https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/795286994616205312

    https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/795288427910615040

    Our boy Ross is getting denounced as racist. It's an interesting development. He normally is able to stay on the good side of the volunteer auxiliary thought police.

    Ross’s column she denounced was good but depressing, as much of his work is. He cites the “our posterity” line in the Constitution!

    His writing about his very fertile great grandparents and the 0.5-ish TFR of him and his cousins hit close to home.

    The retard denouncing Ross managed to write an article telling us not to demonize Chechyns,

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/04/2013421145859380504.html

    Warning before reading, you risking throwing up in your mouth doing so. She manages to pack all of the following into a single article:

    This week made it clear that it is Muslims who are owed the apology.

    “Jogging while Arab” has become the new ” driving while black “.

    Muslims face prejudice, but Muslims from the Caucasus face a particular kind of prejudice – the kind born of ignorance so great it perversely imbues everything with significance.

    But the consequences of the casual racism launched at Chechens – and by association, all other Muslims from the former Soviet Union

    Ethnicity is often used to justify violent behaviour. But no ethnicity is inherently violent. Even if the Tsarnaevs aligned themselves with violent Chechen movements – and as of now, there is no evidence they did – treating Chechen ethnicity as the cause of the Boston violence is irresponsible.

    “I respect this country, I love this country,” the suspects’ uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, said in an emotional condemnation of his nephews.

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  • Our boy Ross is getting denounced as racist. It’s an interesting development. He normally is able to stay on the good side of the volunteer auxiliary thought police.

    I’d hardly call him our boy. Regardless, it was a delicate balancing act that was doomed to fall and shatter at some point. He’ll be taken into the tool shed for this by his editors and when he gets out he’ll be even more of an insincere sellout than he already is.

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  • @Gabriel M
    The Sailer hypothesis ignores the obvious point John Deryshire makes often: sociologically and culturally speaking, there are no whites, there are goodwhites and badwhites. Everything you can do to max out the badwhite vote drives down your share of the goodwhite vote (some moderate goodwhites vote R over taxes and what not).

    This whole election has also totally disproved another Sailer hypothesis, that the electoral map can be shaken up by changing the GOP's policies. Reality: Trump will win the exact same states as McCain and Romney +/- 3.

    What you are left with is "Sailerism by Default", relying on the badwhite vote whilst making futile attempts to reach out to goodwhites and nonwhites, which is what, in one form of another, every GOP candidate, including Trump, has been doing for 20 years.

    I would also add that if you read Steve carefully, you’ll see that the Sailer strategy involves much, much more than Trumpist hostility to illegal immigration. Besides Trump has chosen to emphasize immigrant crime which is a far less salient issue that immigrant effects on labor and housing markets and demands on public services.

    The Sailer strategy encompasses an approach to policy that is overwhelmingly friendly to families with kids and also very pro-environment. It cares about affordable family formation and protecting natural resources. The GOP tone deafness on both these issues costs them dearly with upscale white voters who might otherwise be open to them. Even the Trump led GOP is incoherent on these issues.

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