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    Although the memory has faded in recent years, during much of the second half of the twentieth century the name “Tokyo Rose” ranked very high in our popular consciousness, probably second only to “Benedict Arnold” as a byword for American treachery during wartime. The story of Iva Ikuko Toguri, the young Japanese-American woman who spent...
  • I have absolutely no comment on McCain one way or the other; however from 1972-74 I was stationed just outside of Washington D.C. and was a close reader of the Washington Post. Shortly after the mass release of P.OW.s which presumably included McCain, over several days I read several small articles in the back pages of the Post which reported that the military was planning to try a number of the enlisted men for collaborating with the enemy. The final article stated that no one would be courtmartialed after all because the targeted enlisted men threatened to reveal what the officers– who had been imprisoned separately — had done. Since I was a lowly army enlisted man at the time, I was disappointed to learn I would never know how the officers had behaved.

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  • […] for enemy propaganda. This admiral’s son was eventually released home and a (probably) false narrative of heroism was promulgated as he rose to a seat in the US Senate, while hundreds of his fellow POWs […]

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  • @T.J. Thomas
    Show of hands, don't be shy - how many of you voted for McCain in 2008?

    I didn’t.

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  • Show of hands, don’t be shy – how many of you voted for McCain in 2008?

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    I didn't.
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  • John McCain is obviously a one-man Holocaust.

    Six million, or one? It’s much the same thing at the end of the day.

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  • @Carlton Meyer
    Allow me to disparage Mr. McCain (again), with facts. By several accounts ("Why Does the Nightingale Sing", for example) he only got into the Naval Academy for a free college degree because Dad and GrandDad were Admirals, and should have been kicked out several times if not for that too. He was a lousy pilot who got into trouble often and crashed two aircraft because of neglect. He was shot down on his third mission over Vietnam, and getting captured is not heroic.

    What happened over there is difficult to pin down, but upon returning from POW status, he passed a physical and regained flight status as a pilot. Yet after he finished 20 years of service that allowed generous retirement pay, he obtained a 100% VA disability rating allowing him to collect some $40,000 a year tax free too! The LA Times mentioned this when McCain was insisting he was fit to serve as commander in Chief. He now hauls in over $240,000 a year from the Feds for military retirement, 100% VA disability, social security retirement, while all the while working full-time in the US Senate. So is he retired, or disabled, or gainfully employed? He is all three! This is textbook case of abuse and why or system needs reform to protect workers against rich welfare kings like McCain.

    McCain’s loyal wife was disabled in a serious auto accident while he was a POW. Soon after he returned, McCain dumped her for a wealthy woman 20 years younger. The Reagans were so angry they never spoke to him again. He then married his new babe before he officially got divorced, so there’s that bigamy thing. I don’t know why any Arizonian votes for this crazed man, especially since he’s a big advocate for open borders. At a union meeting, he told workers illegals are needed because Americans are too lazy to work farm fields, even for $50 an hour. McCain has never labored his entire life, always on the government dole now earning ten times minimum wage worker pay, whose increase he opposes.

    McCain grew up wealthy and enjoyed free government health care his entire life, yet thinks it’s nothing commoners deserve. While running for president and attacking the poor a rare good reporter asked how many houses he owned. He was unsure, but thought maybe seven.

    Thank for mentioning “The Nightingale” I am ex Naval Intel, and saw it kind of close. In the Navy a lot of stuff gets buried, and I am sure you have it right.

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  • Some amusing McCain news today. Kind of a bad omen naming a ship McCain after his career.

    http://www.breitbart.com/news/u-s-navy-warship-collides-with-oil-tanker-near-singapore-10-sailors-missing/

    Garrison references the Forrestal incident.

    https://grrrgraphics.wordpress.com/2017/02/21/john-mccain-the-mad-bomber/

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  • In sabotaging the “skinny bill” to repeal Obamacare, John McCain has maintained his record of treachery, at home and abroad.

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  • @Ron Unz
    A very intriguing comment from another thread:


    When McCain was in Hanoi he walked around with clean pressed uniforms and ate all his meals with the officer in charge of the camp. He made many tapes about how we were war criminals
    which were played over and over again in the camp.
    never saw any sign of him being tortured, always clean shaven and mostly had nothing to do with
    the others being abused daily.
    It was him that stopped the government from looking for POW’s and MIA’s. He was afraid the
    truth of what he did would be found out.
    He was a coward not a hero!!!!
     
    http://www.unz.com/announcement/john-mccains-tokyo-rose-propaganda-broadcast-now-found-and-released/#comment-1523985

    Under the heading “Pardons Aren’t Only For the Guilty” Prof Brian V. Kalt writes on p A13 of the 27th July WSJ “Consider Ford’s pardon of Iva Toguri d’Aquino. She had been convicted of treason in 1949 and served six years in prison for broadcastng anti -American propaganda from Tokyo during World War ll as Tokyo Rose. But d’Aquino was no traitor: the case against her was based on perjury procured by federal officials…..”

    Amongst the questions this might provoke is “Do people only get stitched up by federal officials or might there be colourfully varied free enterprise versions out of malice or mischief or motives unfathomable?”

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  • Great article, it touches the core of America’s misery, the press, the money behind the politis but, like most of these articles by men who have the vision to look through 90% of the veil that obscures the truth of America’s policy, it falls short of breaking through and name the real culprit.
    America’s media are run by Jews. That’s a simple fact that anybody can derive from the public records of the 7 major corporations that own all of America’s TV stations and newspapers.
    Wallstreet is run by Jews. The Democratic party is firmly in the hand of the Jews, most of the Republican party is also in the hand of them, called “neocons” here.
    Trump’s administration is mostly run by Jews. Not the positions of Secretary in most cases but their staff and deputies.
    This is our real tragedy. Our handlers have made sure that any mentioning of their devious presence is met with unbelief because “Hey you sound just like Hltler and everybody knows he was crazy. No proof necessary”

    Add 1 and 1, people, and see what the result is. And you will realize that it has a hooked nose!

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  • There is an American premise that “we never leave any American military person behind”.
    I wish that were true, but it is a bald-faced LIE.
    Despite verifiable live sightings of American POWS still held in Southeast Asia, John “songbird” McCain and John “francois” Kerry pushed through legislation that made it ILLEGAL to pursue resolution of these live sightings.
    It is a loosely-guarded “secret” that only HALF of our Vietnam POWs were returned. Half of them were held by the North Vietnamese as “bargaining chips”, to be released when promised “reparations” were delivered. Reparations never took place as Congress refused to allot any funds. Thus our American servicemen were condemned to live out the rest of their lives in captivity.
    As late as the 1990′s and 2000′s live verifiable sightings of Americans were “swept under the rug”. You see, “normalization of relations” between the USA and Vietnam were “on the front burner”. Admission that there were Americans still held would have derailed McCain’s and Kerry’s “dream”.
    Both McCain and Kerry should be indicted, tried and convicted of TREASON with appropriate punishment carried out…

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  • @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
    Agreed. In that sense, the Japanese are smarter than some give them credit for. You can't change the past, its over, time to move on.

    Maybe they didn’t! How do we know that McCain was actually elected?

    Time to end the 17th amendment. Give the states the ability to appoint senators as they have in the constitutional past.

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  • […] uttering misgivings about his “war hero” status. There appears to be some evidence that McCain’s war time record is actually not all it’s cracked up to be (that would actually make him especially useful for […]

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  • @ragnar
    there were no "left over pow's"
    it's a myth
    a few men didnt want to go back to america just like some korean war soldiers who wound up in the north.they liked it better than their past in america
    many in vietnam were black who didnt want to face racism again
    some of these posters are mentally diseased why i dont like posting!

    Canute, almost all pows on Nam were Navy and AirForce flyers. Most hroud pounder were KIA. executed soon after capture or died quickly or slowly in captivity. The number of Blacks in flight status was miniscule. Chapppie James was one of the few exceptions. This calls into question your avoid USA racism thesis.

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  • […] Via The Unz Review: An Alternative Media Selection […]

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  • Thank you so much for all the information you provide!
    I admire your courage and honesty!
    My respects Sir!

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  • All this beating up on John McCain…didn’t the guy prove his piloting skills and courage by taking on deadly utility lines in close combat over Spain? And he won.

    I don’t hear of any other top gun hot shot pilot making similar claims.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    He does point to an interesting question. What proportionof the total of POWswere black as compared with the proportion who didn't return? Can you point to the answer to that?

    What proportion of the total of POWswere black as compared with the proportion who didn’t return?

    Interesting question.
    I think the answer is that there were very few black POWs and MIAs. That’s because almost all were Naval or Air Force aviation officers. I don’t know what proportion of these may have been black half a century ago, but today the number of black Naval aviators is about 2.5 percent of the total. The Air Force figure is probably in the same range.
    I did find the story of Donald J. Rander, a black Army CWO captured during the fighting at Hue during the Tet Offensive. His story is very interesting.
    Rep. Charles Rangel asked about the few black POWs among returnees in a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting. I think he didn’t understand the nature of the war, believing from his experience during the Korean War that large numbers of infantrymen must have been captured in Viet Nam. But this was not the case.
    I can’t imagine any reason why the North Vietnamese would have preferentially held back any black POWs they may have held.

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  • @Canute
    ragnar.....if you can't pay attention and read the research, then don't post drivel.

    He does point to an interesting question. What proportionof the total of POWswere black as compared with the proportion who didn’t return? Can you point to the answer to that?

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    What proportion of the total of POWswere black as compared with the proportion who didn’t return?
     
    Interesting question.
    I think the answer is that there were very few black POWs and MIAs. That's because almost all were Naval or Air Force aviation officers. I don't know what proportion of these may have been black half a century ago, but today the number of black Naval aviators is about 2.5 percent of the total. The Air Force figure is probably in the same range.
    I did find the story of Donald J. Rander, a black Army CWO captured during the fighting at Hue during the Tet Offensive. His story is very interesting.
    Rep. Charles Rangel asked about the few black POWs among returnees in a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting. I think he didn't understand the nature of the war, believing from his experience during the Korean War that large numbers of infantrymen must have been captured in Viet Nam. But this was not the case.
    I can't imagine any reason why the North Vietnamese would have preferentially held back any black POWs they may have held.
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  • @ragnar
    there were no "left over pow's"
    it's a myth
    a few men didnt want to go back to america just like some korean war soldiers who wound up in the north.they liked it better than their past in america
    many in vietnam were black who didnt want to face racism again
    some of these posters are mentally diseased why i dont like posting!

    ragnar…..if you can’t pay attention and read the research, then don’t post drivel.

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    He does point to an interesting question. What proportionof the total of POWswere black as compared with the proportion who didn't return? Can you point to the answer to that?
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  • there were no “left over pow’s”
    it’s a myth
    a few men didnt want to go back to america just like some korean war soldiers who wound up in the north.they liked it better than their past in america
    many in vietnam were black who didnt want to face racism again
    some of these posters are mentally diseased why i dont like posting!

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    ragnar.....if you can't pay attention and read the research, then don't post drivel.
    , @prusmc
    Canute, almost all pows on Nam were Navy and AirForce flyers. Most hroud pounder were KIA. executed soon after capture or died quickly or slowly in captivity. The number of Blacks in flight status was miniscule. Chapppie James was one of the few exceptions. This calls into question your avoid USA racism thesis.
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  • Treason must be in the McCain genes. Recall his father’s cover up of the Israekli attack on the Liberty.

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  • Punk ass fake tough guy John McCain doing his “Tokyo Rose”.

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  • Aug 5, 2016 Senator John McCain The Traitor – Audio Proof

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  • I fantasize that McCain and poof boy side kick ‘Lindsey’ Graham are in a car wreck and don’t survive. Tsk, tsk.

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  • […] know, in part, thanks to Ron Unz’s article about McCain’s war service. Family friends of Charles C. Johnson’s grandfather, who was himself […]

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  • @BB753
    Makes you wonder what dirt they have on Obama.

    Hint: Chicago.

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  • […] John McCain: When “Tokyo Rose” Ran for President […]

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  • @rod1963
    The problem isn't McCain, it's those brain damaged Republicans in AZ who keep sending that corrupt, pro open borders, anti American worker, war mongering POS back to the Senate time after time.

    I beg to differ. The problem is indeed McCain. His iron grip on the state party assures that he is impossible to primary out (though his opponents bear some of the blame for repeatedly creating 3- or 4-way primaries, guaranteeing him victory). The inevitable final race is always between him and a whackjob liberal Democrat. Many of us voted for the whackjob this time despite the clamorous voices warning us of Armageddon if the Republicans didn’t retain the Senate. It’s so hard to please everybody, isn’t it? This time, these same voices excused their own voting for McCain by explaining he is unlikely to live out the entirety of his term — a class of wager I no longer make, having lost it twice before with respect to the terminally-cirrhotic Teddy Kennedy.

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  • McCain was a communist collaborator in 1970? So he was a Democrat ahead of his time. He’s always been a RINO and a treasonous bastard, eager to open the gates for the barbarians so they can rape and pillage.

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  • […] seemingly gotten away with disparaging it is quite astonishing (Trump is not the first person to cast aspersions on McCain’s image, but surely he’s the first man running as a Republican to do so). It seems Trump is a […]

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  • ……and what about the fire on the Forestall ?….300 dead thanks to JM

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  • A very intriguing comment from another thread:

    When McCain was in Hanoi he walked around with clean pressed uniforms and ate all his meals with the officer in charge of the camp. He made many tapes about how we were war criminals
    which were played over and over again in the camp.
    never saw any sign of him being tortured, always clean shaven and mostly had nothing to do with
    the others being abused daily.
    It was him that stopped the government from looking for POW’s and MIA’s. He was afraid the
    truth of what he did would be found out.
    He was a coward not a hero!!!!

    http://www.unz.com/announcement/john-mccains-tokyo-rose-propaganda-broadcast-now-found-and-released/#comment-1523985

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    Under the heading "Pardons Aren't Only For the Guilty" Prof Brian V. Kalt writes on p A13 of the 27th July WSJ "Consider Ford's pardon of Iva Toguri d'Aquino. She had been convicted of treason in 1949 and served six years in prison for broadcastng anti -American propaganda from Tokyo during World War ll as Tokyo Rose. But d'Aquino was no traitor: the case against her was based on perjury procured by federal officials....."

    Amongst the questions this might provoke is "Do people only get stitched up by federal officials or might there be colourfully varied free enterprise versions out of malice or mischief or motives unfathomable?"
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  • […] John McCain: When “Tokyo Rose” Ran for President by Ron Unz […]

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  • Ron,

    One of McCain’s propaganda tapes has been found. Posted on August 4th, 2016.

    http://www.trunews.com/article/john-mccains-1969-tokyo-rose-propaganda-recording-released

    With respect to the sons of generals and admirals getting special treatment in the military, I served in the Air Force in the 1980s with a bumbling idiot whose dad was an Air Force general. The idiot was always close to being officially disciplined for poor judgement and careless behavior (including once from me when he served on one of my air crews). However, the idiot always made his promotion gates in spite of repeated career-ruining performance reports. One has to assume his father intervened on his behalf with the promotion boards.

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  • @Orville H. Larson
    Yeah, McCain lives handsomely on Joe Sixpack's dime, in addition to his second wife's booze wealth.

    Check out Trunews.com they have the audio of Mccain that was aired in 1969

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  • […] about McCain’s reputed collaboration with his Vietnamese captors during the Vietnam War. See John McCain: When “Tokyo Rose” Ran for President | What Was John McCain’s True Wartime Record in Vietnam? by Ron Unz, Unz.com, March 9, […]

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  • @Anonymous
    Obama undoubtedly ranks as the most obvious blackmail candidate of all time. Which, of course had a lot to do with why the Zionist chose him to become president.

    If the zionists chose Obama for the presidency, they've received a very poor return on their investment. Obama is probably the first US president who isn't a cheerleader/apologist for Israel since it's (re)birth as a country. Every spokesman for Israel and every supporter for Israel in this country has denounced Obama for the Iran nuke agreement.

    I thought jews did their homework before making an investment.

    As the Manchurian Candidate, Obama has admirably brought race relations to their lowest ebb since 1968. Dissension among every victim group never previously imagined has whack jobs everywhere foaming at the mouth like rabid dogs. The descendants of the white European colonists who created this nation are now the go-to scapegoat for everything from not wanting to flirt with fat chicks to blacks murdering each other. Tin-foil hat types like myself sometimes note that all the money and benefits of these operations seem to flow to the chosenites and their tools in our government. By the way, have you ever heard of the ‘samson option’?

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  • @anon
    Is this your best effort Mr. Unz??

    A ton of news stories this month and you are beating up McCain for what happened years ago?

    Lay off the spiked cool-aid or stop writing.

    Otherwise they'll send a black helo for you.

    If it weren't for Sailer I could skip this nut jar of a website.

    some folks out here want to see traitors hung for what they have done, and continue to do today: did you miss the commenter who noted that McInsane treats with ISIS, and other Islamic terrorists who have killed our troops? The truth will out, and hopefully will destroy the neo-cons and others in the deep state who push war for the sake of the bankers who finance both sides.

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  • Most of the McCain lies and distortions have been covered in the article and the comments.

    Here are a few extras:

    1) He got a Navy nurse pregnant and the abortion was done at Bethesda

    2) Russia flew in a prominent surgeon to tend to McCain’s injuries in Hanoi.

    3) Ejecting from a jet in level flight in peacetime gives you time to tighten all your
    straps and get in the proper configuration. A tumbling jet spiraling down in flames
    not so much. His injuries were caused by a bad ejection and ground impact. The fact
    he landed in a lake may have saved his life. Bystanders also beat him up.

    4) I spoke with a North Vietnamese general at a Vietnam summit at Texas Tech University. I asked him if McCain was tortured. He replied, “We never touch him, he too important”.

    5) McCain allegedly had a room with a view of downtown Hanoi, a desk and an aquarium with
    goldfish.

    6) McCain returned from captivity weighing more then the day he was captured.

    7) There were several groups of POWs who took early release. There was also a “Peace Committee” of collaborators. There were two prominent USMC pilots who were members of the Peace Committee. At the reunion dinner at the White House, some POWs refused to attend if the collaborators were invited.

    8) John Kerry’s anti-war testimony before congress was played repeatedly over the PA system at the Hanoi Hilton. Some prisoners did not recognize it as “Senator Kerry” until after the war and they heard him mis- pronounce Gebghis Khan as “Jengiss Khan”.

    9) Admiral McCain was at sea a lot. It is questionable if McCain Jr. is actually his real son.

    10) McCain made many radio propaganda broadcasts. After the war he asked his father, “Did you hear any of THEM”. The father said no, but in reality he put orders out that those broadcasts were of the absolute highest priority and needed to be delivered to him at once and kept at the highest security clearance (Above Top Secret). It is also believed that the NSA jammed the signal.

    11) McCain had a mistress in Hanoi who bore him a son. It is rumored that this son came to the
    USA and went to a nice university.

    12) McCain was the co-chairman of the POW/MIA Senate Committee (Along with John Kerry).
    The committee in 1992 concluded that “There was no COMPELLING evidence that US POWs were left behind at the end of the war”. Senator Kerrey of Nebraska was also a member of this charade.

    13) McCain’s wife while he was a POW was fervent in her League of Families POW/MIA activities during the war. On return, McCain dumped her and married a college cheerleader and heir to the Coors beer fortune.

    14) McCain did indeed do a wet start that caused the Forrestal fire. He was rapidly transferred
    to the Oriskany and another squadron. It takes three years and four million dollars to train a pilot. They should not be used to put out fires. What the Navy learned from this fire was to
    never commit more than 1/3rd of your firefighters at any given time. The whole firefighting department had gone into action, several planes exploded and most of the fatalities were
    damage controlmen (Firefighters).

    15) When North Vietnamese generals and politicians came to the USA in 1992, there are pictures of McCain giving them enthusiastic bear hugs. He was probably whispering, “Keep our secrets quiet”. Why would McCain hug someone who “Tortured” him?

    16) McCain’s grandfather was also an admiral.

    17) The Aircraft Carrier Forrestal was named after the WWII secretary of the Navy who was trying to warn President Roosevelt that Japan was about to attack Pearl Harbor within hours. Forrestal was jailed by Marines and later died under mysterious circumstances, but I digress.
    So many conspiracies, so little time.

    18) When Clinton was briefed as a new president he was told that in fact, many POWs were left behind in Vietnam. He was shocked. To his credit, no POWs were abandoned on his watch.

    19) There is a Texas congressman who was running for re election and was travelling the State
    sleeping on the couches of supporters. At one home, he thanked his host and asked if he could somehow return the favor. The host said, “Yes, my Ucle is a POW unaccounted for in Nam,
    could you look into the matter”? The congressman said “I went to a Republican freshman congressional retreat. We went into a room in tennis clothes and no notes, phones or recorders were allowed. They told us we would need party support in order to be re elected. They then said there are 10 issues you will never support or mention. The first one was POW/MIAs left behind in Vietnam. I am sorry, I cannot help you”.

    20) People who flew with McCain said he was a lousy pilot and during missions if Migs showed
    up, McCain always headed into the clouds to hide from them until his fuel level necessitated his return to the carrier.

    21) In 1996, the North Vietnamese Air Minister visited Houston. Continental Airlines let him fly the 747 jumbo simulator at IAH. They also flew him to Vegas and Disney World. The minister’s resume: An Ace pilot who shot down seven American planes. Continental wanted the landing routes to Hanoi Bac My and Saigon Thanh Son Nhut.

    22) There are many more McCain stories I could recount, but the fog of memory sets in. In my case it is age and I am entitled, (Not like Kerrey). I was a leader in the veteran POW/MIA movement for many years. I was a close associate of Ted Sampley, Dolores Alfond and Janet Akers, all of whom seemed to have died before their time. It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.

    I would be glad to reply to anyone interested. I would especially like to hear from you Mr. Unz.
    I can come up with more data on McCain if you are interested.

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  • @1stTimeCallerLongTimeListener
    Just curious about the whole “war hero” term as pertains to McCain. Didn’t pretty much every POW give up the kind of information that McCain did or was his confession and subsequent good treatment by his captors somehow excessive/unusual?

    Read Admiral James Stockdale’s book IN LOVE AND WAR to find what real heroism is about. He KNEW that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was partly a false reading to drum up war actions (he was in air during both the 8/02 and 8/04 incidents) but suffered torture and long, long periods of solitary confinement without giving up this info, for which he later was awarded the Medal of Honor.

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  • By the way, does anyone remember the first thing he did when securing the nomination in 2008 at the convention. He immediately flew off to a London fundraiser hosted by the Rothschilds. Were they paying off a debt for the “Liberty” cover-up of his father?

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  • @unit472
    Along with Carlton Meyer I was troubled by McCain's military career. McCain was in the cockpit of his A-4 Skyhawk on the day that a tremendous fire and explosions broke out on the flight deck of the USS Forrestal that killed 134 sailors and Naval aviators and injured 161 others including Lt. McCain. McCain's aircraft was in front of another A-4 that was struck by a misfiring rocket from the aircraft behind it and set off the fire. McCain is seen in flight deck film footage emerging from his cockpit, clamoring onto the nose of the aircraft and jumping down to the flight deck. What happened thereafter is what troubles me. As the rest of the men on the Forrestals flight deck fought desperately to stop the fire and push ordinance loaded aircraft over the side McCain, for some reason, decided he needed medical attention from hopping off the nose of his A-4 and was in sick bay as the explosions and fires raged! It is noteworthy that the pilot of the plane actually struck by the misfiring missile and directly behind McCain's also escaped from his A-4 but died along with most of the damage control team that responded to the initial fire when bombs began to detonate.

    Was McCain a coward? I don't know but an A-4 Skyhawk is a small airplane. Climbing down from the fuel refueling probe is not to jump from the nose of a 747 or even a Beechcraft King Air. Maybe he sprained an ankle or pulled a muscle but he was able to make a beeline off that flight deck quickly enough to escape more serious injury or death!

    I have heard that McCain was called “flame-out John” because he liked to light-up the planes behind him while on deck. Others have said that McCain CAUSED the Forrestal incident because of this. If true, this would explain his psychological problems. He could be internally rationalizing his actions to himself as he corroborated with Hanoi. Deep down guilt feelings, but consciously always in attack and defend mode.

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  • […] but well worth the time. One is an extensive essay by Ron Unz of the American Conservative entitled “John McCain: When “Tokyo Rose” Ran for President” which is of particular interest for links to some archival footage that has been cast down the […]

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  • Kiss the Boys Goodbye: How the United States Betrayed Its Own POWs in Vietnam

    http://www.amazon.com/Kiss-Boys-Goodbye-Betrayed-Vietnam/dp/1629144495

    It is hard to understand how so many in the US media could have ignored this painstakingly researched book by a former 60 Minutes producer and her famous husband.

    But….? ….Lady in Red

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  • @Hippopotamusdrome
    Perhaps in a topsy-turvy Monty Python world, wartime traitors would be given medals, feted at the White House, and become national heroes,

    Do Communists and people in contact with the KGB count?

    Add to that Hillary Clinton’s treasonous act of approving and facilitating the sale of a significant percentage of US uranium assets to Russia. Her reward? Become the favored candidate for the presidency of the country she betrayed.

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  • @anonymous
    In regards to leaders being compromised individuals it brings up the recent revelation that the US had tapped Angela Merkel's phone as well as that of other world leaders such as Brazil's Rousseff. I would imagine the blackmail net is all-encompassing, including foreign students studying here who have the possibility of climbing the ladder once they return home.
    Boris Berezovsky reportedly had the idea of creating a fake democracy in Russia with two parties, one a socialist-democrat one and the other a neoconservative one, where they would pretend to be in opposition and draw off people's energies debating issues of symbolic value. This struck me as being eerily similar to the American system which is clearly based on manipulating the public through spin, fear, lying, focus-group advertising and a constant pounding of the drums. So the question is who really runs things and for whose benefit? Are there 'roundtable groups' hammering out what is going to be done? At this point things become rather murky.

    Anonymous wrote, “So the question is who really runs things and for whose benefit? Are there ’roundtable groups’ hammering out what is going to be done? ”

    Yes, there are roundtable groups: The Bilderberg bunch, the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), and other well-documented groups whose influence far exceeds their ostensible authority. Read up on with whom Henry Kissinger has schmoozed: here you will find a who’s who of the top-level “useful idiots” who dance to the puppetmasters’ tune.

    The question still begging for an accurate answer is, “and for whose benefit?” I’ve read extensively on this and am not yet satisfied with the answers which have been advanced.

    The available evidence does clearly show that the puppet in the White House is merely a top-level “useful idiot” rather than an actual leader. Notice that the favored candidates always go lunch with the Bilderbergers before election time. Watch a Simpsons episode from Season 11, where Lisa becomes “the first STRAIGHT female President of the United States,” having succeeded President Trump. The episode in question dates back to the early 2000′s.

    I sincerely doubt that Americans’ votes have been accurately counted and reported for decades. I say this having often worked in polling places in every capacity. Where it all breaks down is when the boxes and polling booth tapes are taken to the central county offices to be fed into the computer… which is already pre-programmed regarding the outcome. Various efforts to accurately monitor this stage of the election process have been defeated by force, fraud and abuse from the local LEOs.

    We will not be able to regain our Republic until we retake control of the vote-collection and -counting process.

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  • Gerry1211 says:
    @Anonymous

    According to widespread media reports, the main cause was an utterly scurrilous whispering campaign by Karl Rove and his henchmen, which even included appalling accusations that the great war-hero candidate had been a “traitor” in Vietnam. My only conclusion was that the filthy lies sometimes found in American politics were even worse than I’d ever imagined.
     
    I corresponded via email with the late Col. David Hackworth, one of the most highly decorated soldiers (8 Purple Hearts, 8 Bronze Stars, 10 Silver Stars, et al.) to serve in the U.S. Army. Since 1999-2000 Hackworth had been working on an exposé of McCain, in particular, his time as a POW in Vietnam. Hackworth loathed McCain. I had been in contact with Hackworth to provide him with information about a family acquaintance who was a fellow POW of McCain's in Vietnam. In small social gatherings this former POW used to call McCain a liar who was interested only in his own self-aggrandizement. He gave some specific damning examples. Hackworth was not able to get this guy to go on the record and this guy wanted no part in exposing McCain.

    McCain's hero status is protected only because the men who know the truth about him have a warrior's code of honor and will not bad mouth a fellow "warrior".

    Having survived Nazi occupation as a small child and knowing how active my father was in the underground, I was stunned one day to pass a ceremony in our park in which people were given ribbons for their activities in the war. So I told my father. He said “I know these people and they were no where to be found during the war when it counted” So much for ribbons. I always wondered why our doctor, when making house calls would so often stop by our house to see if my father was home (he was a journalist and often away) But when he was home he and the doc spent time together talking. Turns out my father, the doc and a priest were jailed by the SS for underground activities. Like my father, neither the doc nor the priest were given any recognition. My father certainly didn’t seek any. But when the doctor died in 1959 his colleague wrote a very moving tribute to him and mentioned his war time work and how he insisted it be kept private. It was only then that I realized why the doctor was so often at our home.
    What I am trying so say here is that the ones that really have a story to tell about McCain are the ones that were there. His fellow POWs. I have never read that any of them had a good word to say about McCain….”Singing like a canary”…..”at least 38 tapes blasting the U.S. and the war”
    John Mc Cain is an American traitor….More recent pictures have him in Ukraine together with the Nazi goons Svoboda. Other pictures have him with ISIL/ISIS/IS, (google them) all of which makes John McCain a war criminal. In Germany people like him were hanged.
    The man should have his passport revoked, never be allowed to leave this country; never have a microphone or camera in his face. He is a danger to the national security of this country if not an embarrassment.
    As far as the American military…every time I see a General on tv giving testimony I ‘d like to know how they managed to make it to General. They sound programmed and absolutely stupid.
    No wonder we’ve never won any wars.
    Always check who’s doing the talking, what’s their background, were they there?
    Question more.

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  • The phenomenon of “induced testimony” applies to much of “documented history” as well as to the proceedings of “trials” that contribute to the veracity of that history.

    The largest, and today most-influential body of this sort of thing is the Holocaust. The entire narrative was initially conceived and promoted in order to fix sufficient guilt upon the German people to justify the genocidal bombing, invasion (unconditional surrender) and occupation of Germany, with the millions of deaths entailed on both sides.

    The mythology, of course, has been picked up by Israel and to some extent by (indoctrinated) Jews everywhere as ersatz religion, and even identity.

    The McCain fiasco detailed in this article is the same thing, in microcosm.

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  • @Carroll Price
    The Zionist mafia may not have gotten everything they wanted out of Obama, but they have gotten three or four new wars, plus a continuation of the Afghan War as well as a re-continuation of the Iraq War. I suspect Obama is pushing back against Israel about as much as he can dares without incurring the risk of being assassinated.

    Don’t forget the continued annual billions of US dollars of foreign aid gifted to Israel.

    That money has given the US a constant Israeli-Jewish bribing of US officials and endless wars for Israel.

    Obama is a reformed Judaism devotee.

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  • @Anonymous
    Obama undoubtedly ranks as the most obvious blackmail candidate of all time. Which, of course had a lot to do with why the Zionist chose him to become president.

    If the zionists chose Obama for the presidency, they've received a very poor return on their investment. Obama is probably the first US president who isn't a cheerleader/apologist for Israel since it's (re)birth as a country. Every spokesman for Israel and every supporter for Israel in this country has denounced Obama for the Iran nuke agreement.

    I thought jews did their homework before making an investment.

    The Zionist mafia may not have gotten everything they wanted out of Obama, but they have gotten three or four new wars, plus a continuation of the Afghan War as well as a re-continuation of the Iraq War. I suspect Obama is pushing back against Israel about as much as he can dares without incurring the risk of being assassinated.

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    Don't forget the continued annual billions of US dollars of foreign aid gifted to Israel.

    That money has given the US a constant Israeli-Jewish bribing of US officials and endless wars for Israel.

    Obama is a reformed Judaism devotee.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Carroll Price
    As an individual born in Kenya, and thus ineligible to serve as US president, Obama undoubtedly ranks as the most obvious blackmail candidate of all time. Which, of course had a lot to do with why the Zionist chose him to become president.

    Obama undoubtedly ranks as the most obvious blackmail candidate of all time. Which, of course had a lot to do with why the Zionist chose him to become president.

    If the zionists chose Obama for the presidency, they’ve received a very poor return on their investment. Obama is probably the first US president who isn’t a cheerleader/apologist for Israel since it’s (re)birth as a country. Every spokesman for Israel and every supporter for Israel in this country has denounced Obama for the Iran nuke agreement.

    I thought jews did their homework before making an investment.

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    The Zionist mafia may not have gotten everything they wanted out of Obama, but they have gotten three or four new wars, plus a continuation of the Afghan War as well as a re-continuation of the Iraq War. I suspect Obama is pushing back against Israel about as much as he can dares without incurring the risk of being assassinated.
    , @coyote
    As the Manchurian Candidate, Obama has admirably brought race relations to their lowest ebb since 1968. Dissension among every victim group never previously imagined has whack jobs everywhere foaming at the mouth like rabid dogs. The descendants of the white European colonists who created this nation are now the go-to scapegoat for everything from not wanting to flirt with fat chicks to blacks murdering each other. Tin-foil hat types like myself sometimes note that all the money and benefits of these operations seem to flow to the chosenites and their tools in our government. By the way, have you ever heard of the 'samson option'?
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  • @unit472
    Along with Carlton Meyer I was troubled by McCain's military career. McCain was in the cockpit of his A-4 Skyhawk on the day that a tremendous fire and explosions broke out on the flight deck of the USS Forrestal that killed 134 sailors and Naval aviators and injured 161 others including Lt. McCain. McCain's aircraft was in front of another A-4 that was struck by a misfiring rocket from the aircraft behind it and set off the fire. McCain is seen in flight deck film footage emerging from his cockpit, clamoring onto the nose of the aircraft and jumping down to the flight deck. What happened thereafter is what troubles me. As the rest of the men on the Forrestals flight deck fought desperately to stop the fire and push ordinance loaded aircraft over the side McCain, for some reason, decided he needed medical attention from hopping off the nose of his A-4 and was in sick bay as the explosions and fires raged! It is noteworthy that the pilot of the plane actually struck by the misfiring missile and directly behind McCain's also escaped from his A-4 but died along with most of the damage control team that responded to the initial fire when bombs began to detonate.

    Was McCain a coward? I don't know but an A-4 Skyhawk is a small airplane. Climbing down from the fuel refueling probe is not to jump from the nose of a 747 or even a Beechcraft King Air. Maybe he sprained an ankle or pulled a muscle but he was able to make a beeline off that flight deck quickly enough to escape more serious injury or death!

    After the Forrestal fire the first and only uninjured man evacuated from the ship was, you guessed it, War Hero John McCain.

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  • @Hersh
    Or, another explanation one runs across: The first briefing a US president gets is to sit and watch a film of the Kennedy assassination taken from the grassy knoll.

    Another thing about McCain - his grandfather, "Slew" McCain was nearly courtmartialed by Navy Secretary Forestal over his role in getting American ships into Typhoon Cobra. McCain was saved by political connections way back then.

    McCain has always gotten a lot of media promotion, even before he went to Congress. Probably has more to do with his father covering up Israel's attack on the USS Liberty than anything else, IMO. The only Medal of Honor awarded in a secret ceremony at a Navy Yard. Not 1 in 100 Americans know about it. Ask the average American how long Iran held those embassy hostages and they think it went on for 20 years. Probably think Iran killed a few hundred or more.

    However. Why suspect something deep and hidden? George W. Bush and Barack Obama marched across the bridge in Selma and were lauded for what great lovers of humanity. Both of them have responsibility for enormous harm to literally millions of people, including killing, wounding, orphaning, widowing, destroying homes and livelihoods, inflicting unimaginable (for us) terror far, far beyond what any policeman in Alabama did 50 years ago.

    It all depends on what the media puts in front of us. Some policeman with a snarling dog or a water hose upsets us. John Lewis got beat up. Terrible. He's still alive and prosperous for many, many years now. Obama's drone killed 7 and 9 year old boys collecting firewood. Doesn't bother anyone who matters.

    Traitor John McCain betrayed USS Liberty Veterans too:

    http://america-hijacked.com/2012/05/30/john-mccain-calls-american-patriot-a-jerk-for-questioning-him-about-uss-liberty-cover-up/

    http://tinyurl.com/mccainussliberty

    McCain confronted about USS Liberty cover-up:


    McCain Confronted on USS Liberty Cover-up & Media Accomplices
    :

    https://tinyurl.com/mccainconfronted


    John McCain Praises Father’s Whitewashing of Israel’s Attack on the USS LIBERTY!
    :

    http://america-hijacked.com/2011/09/02/john-mccain-praises-fathers-whitewashing-of-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty/

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  • […] seemingly gotten away with disparaging it is quite astonishing (Trump is not the first person to cast aspersions on McCain’s image, but surely he’s the first man running as a Republican to do so). It seems Trump is a well-versed […]

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  • […] seemingly gotten away with disparaging it is quite astonishing (Trump is not the first person to cast aspersions on McCain’s image, but surely he’s the first man running as a Republican to do so). It seems Trump is a well-versed […]

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  • […] seemingly gotten away with disparaging it is quite astonishing (Trump is not the first person to cast aspersions on McCain’s image, but surely he’s the first man running as a Republican to do so). It seems Trump is a well-versed […]

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  • […] seemingly gotten away with disparaging it is quite astonishing (Trump is not the first person to cast aspersions on McCain’s image, but surely he’s the first man running as a Republican to do so). It seems Trump is a well-versed […]

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  • […] is, as I said, a clown. However bad a person John McCain might be(See Ron Unz’s article on McCain), it was stupid for him to have made those comments, especially considering he appears to […]

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  • Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:

    How Trump’s Attack on McCain Didn’t Go Far Enough

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  • […] these days as a cudgel”—took upon itself to expose (in its magazine) Bob Kerrey for having “ordered his men to massacre over a dozen innocent Vietnamese civilians—women, children, and infants,” […]

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  • […] John McCain’s history and heroism are under fire today for good reason. In 2011 he met with and gained support for Al Qaeda Libya. “McCain called on all nations, especially the U.S., to recognize the National Transitional Council in Benghazi. He said some of the Gadhafi regime’s frozen assets should be redirected to the rebels and the U.S. should facilitate the delivery of weapons to rebel fighters.” […]

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  • Just curious about the whole “war hero” term as pertains to McCain. Didn’t pretty much every POW give up the kind of information that McCain did or was his confession and subsequent good treatment by his captors somehow excessive/unusual?

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    Read Admiral James Stockdale's book IN LOVE AND WAR to find what real heroism is about. He KNEW that the Gulf of Tonkin Incident was partly a false reading to drum up war actions (he was in air during both the 8/02 and 8/04 incidents) but suffered torture and long, long periods of solitary confinement without giving up this info, for which he later was awarded the Medal of Honor.
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  • @Anonymous
    As a former A4 pilot I have to call BS to the criticism that McCain was unlikely to be injured exiting his plane on the Forrestal. The writer obviously knows nothing about the Skyhawk, other that that it is a relatively small jet. True, it is that, and it sits on a very long landing gear. Thus, entry and egress are normally by a portable ladder. Trying either without the ladder is fraught. I know, I have done it--with some reluctance
    .
    That aside, the burning flight deck of a carrier is not the place for a pilot untrained in fire fighting. Because of the experience of the Forrestal conflagration, all pilots were required to go through a fire fighting course, which included dealing with a live fire in a training scenario.

    As for his war time actions; there is one indisputable fact. McCain voluntarily transferred to another squadron aboard another carrier, to continue his combat deployment when Forrestal left the combat zone. He did not need to do that. In doing so, he became part of the one of the most intense periods of the aerial campaign; and in an Air Wing that suffered the greatest Navy losses of the Vietnam war. Other A4 pilots of my acquaintance, who later distinguished themselves in combat, did not make that move. Many outstanding Navy officers and Aviators were lost or captured during the summer of 1967. It is ludicrous to imply criticism of McCain on that score.

    I do not know the facts of McCain's actions as a POW. I have thought that his behavior has been excessively lauded in the media, and by the McCain political organization, simply because there were so many prisoners who acted with great courage. I do not believe that McCain's actions were more laudable than those of several others; but, neither do I have credible information to dispute the stories that redound to his credit.

    I am not an admirer of John McCain for a variety of reasons; but, innuendo, and mis-statement of fact, should not go unchallenged.

    His transfer to the Oriskiny cannot be proven to be voluntary. The transfer was to keep the former crew members from blanket-partying him to death. How about your comment on the wet start/2 switch prank he pulled which started this (besides the Navy’s horrific decision to overload the planes and with WWII bombs)?

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  • […] days as a cudgel”—took upon itself to expose (in its magazine) Bob Kerrey for having “ordered his men to massacre over a dozen innocent Vietnamese civilians—women, children, and infants,” […]

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @unit472
    Along with Carlton Meyer I was troubled by McCain's military career. McCain was in the cockpit of his A-4 Skyhawk on the day that a tremendous fire and explosions broke out on the flight deck of the USS Forrestal that killed 134 sailors and Naval aviators and injured 161 others including Lt. McCain. McCain's aircraft was in front of another A-4 that was struck by a misfiring rocket from the aircraft behind it and set off the fire. McCain is seen in flight deck film footage emerging from his cockpit, clamoring onto the nose of the aircraft and jumping down to the flight deck. What happened thereafter is what troubles me. As the rest of the men on the Forrestals flight deck fought desperately to stop the fire and push ordinance loaded aircraft over the side McCain, for some reason, decided he needed medical attention from hopping off the nose of his A-4 and was in sick bay as the explosions and fires raged! It is noteworthy that the pilot of the plane actually struck by the misfiring missile and directly behind McCain's also escaped from his A-4 but died along with most of the damage control team that responded to the initial fire when bombs began to detonate.

    Was McCain a coward? I don't know but an A-4 Skyhawk is a small airplane. Climbing down from the fuel refueling probe is not to jump from the nose of a 747 or even a Beechcraft King Air. Maybe he sprained an ankle or pulled a muscle but he was able to make a beeline off that flight deck quickly enough to escape more serious injury or death!

    As a former A4 pilot I have to call BS to the criticism that McCain was unlikely to be injured exiting his plane on the Forrestal. The writer obviously knows nothing about the Skyhawk, other that that it is a relatively small jet. True, it is that, and it sits on a very long landing gear. Thus, entry and egress are normally by a portable ladder. Trying either without the ladder is fraught. I know, I have done it–with some reluctance
    .
    That aside, the burning flight deck of a carrier is not the place for a pilot untrained in fire fighting. Because of the experience of the Forrestal conflagration, all pilots were required to go through a fire fighting course, which included dealing with a live fire in a training scenario.

    As for his war time actions; there is one indisputable fact. McCain voluntarily transferred to another squadron aboard another carrier, to continue his combat deployment when Forrestal left the combat zone. He did not need to do that. In doing so, he became part of the one of the most intense periods of the aerial campaign; and in an Air Wing that suffered the greatest Navy losses of the Vietnam war. Other A4 pilots of my acquaintance, who later distinguished themselves in combat, did not make that move. Many outstanding Navy officers and Aviators were lost or captured during the summer of 1967. It is ludicrous to imply criticism of McCain on that score.

    I do not know the facts of McCain’s actions as a POW. I have thought that his behavior has been excessively lauded in the media, and by the McCain political organization, simply because there were so many prisoners who acted with great courage. I do not believe that McCain’s actions were more laudable than those of several others; but, neither do I have credible information to dispute the stories that redound to his credit.

    I am not an admirer of John McCain for a variety of reasons; but, innuendo, and mis-statement of fact, should not go unchallenged.

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    His transfer to the Oriskiny cannot be proven to be voluntary. The transfer was to keep the former crew members from blanket-partying him to death. How about your comment on the wet start/2 switch prank he pulled which started this (besides the Navy's horrific decision to overload the planes and with WWII bombs)?
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  • @fnn
    Robert Penn Warren in All the King's Men :

    http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/002320.html

    We clocked off five miles more, and I said, "But suppose there isn't anything to find?"
    And the Boss said, "There is always something."

    And I said, "Maybe not on the Judge."

    And he said, "Man is conceived in sin and born in corruption and he passeth from the stink of the didie to the stench of the shroud. There is always something."
     

    Great novel. Even greater is the biography written about 30 years ago entitled “Huey Long” by T. Harry Williams, a professor at LSU if I recall correctly. Huey, of course, was the model, with considerable embellishment, for Willie Stark, the principal character of “All the King’s Men,” but the real life account reveals what a brilliant man Huey Long was, even if his politics sucked. Great biography.

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  • @fnn
    Robert Penn Warren in All the King's Men :

    http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/002320.html

    We clocked off five miles more, and I said, "But suppose there isn't anything to find?"
    And the Boss said, "There is always something."

    And I said, "Maybe not on the Judge."

    And he said, "Man is conceived in sin and born in corruption and he passeth from the stink of the didie to the stench of the shroud. There is always something."
     

    “You got to lead a duck, son.”

    - Judge Irwin

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  • It has to make you wonder if McCain, as per his orders from his Communist overlords, threw the election to their younger Communist candidate. Nothing McCain or his defenders can say would make me believe that he isn’t a traitor and a coward. He looks to destroy our borders and defend our enemies.

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  • @guest
    "If he did commit such awful acts in Vietnam why didn’t W use it against him in 2000 or Obama in 2008?"

    Ask Trump. They don't want bad publicity.

    Bush, furthermore, didn't want anyone talking about what he did during the war. That's also why he didn't go after "Genghis Khan" Kerry. Obama has things he'd rather people not talk about, too, though the MSM and establishment figures have run screaming away from talking about his past on their own. I wonder what he'd have to do to make them come up with a single scandal.

    Big time politics isn't a gentleman's club. It's also not the cutthroat free for all people pretend it is. They can destroy anyone at any time, I imagine, but they save it for the apostates. After all, if everyone goes after everyone else for everything who'll be left to run things? Outsiders (that is, heretics)? Those are the ones you burn.

    Robert Penn Warren in All the King’s Men :

    http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/002320.html

    We clocked off five miles more, and I said, “But suppose there isn’t anything to find?”
    And the Boss said, “There is always something.”

    And I said, “Maybe not on the Judge.”

    And he said, “Man is conceived in sin and born in corruption and he passeth from the stink of the didie to the stench of the shroud. There is always something.”

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    "You got to lead a duck, son."

    - Judge Irwin
    , @tbraton
    Great novel. Even greater is the biography written about 30 years ago entitled "Huey Long" by T. Harry Williams, a professor at LSU if I recall correctly. Huey, of course, was the model, with considerable embellishment, for Willie Stark, the principal character of "All the King's Men," but the real life account reveals what a brilliant man Huey Long was, even if his politics sucked. Great biography.
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  • @Sherman
    I'm not sure what's more pathetic - the fact that this article was even written or the deranged reader comments.

    Whatever one thinks of McCain's politics the man was a war hero. If he did commit such awful acts in Vietnam why didn't W use it against him in 2000 or Obama in 2008?

    In fact, his war record was never, ever held against him in any campaign he ran in because there was nothing negative in it.

    Furthermore, instead of addressing McCain's war record so many readers are using this article to write wildly off-topic hate-filled garbage about Jews, Israel and the Holocaust.

    The lunatic fringe is clearly alive and well. Do any of these losers even have jobs (or a girlfriend)?

    “If he did commit such awful acts in Vietnam why didn’t W use it against him in 2000 or Obama in 2008?”

    Ask Trump. They don’t want bad publicity.

    Bush, furthermore, didn’t want anyone talking about what he did during the war. That’s also why he didn’t go after “Genghis Khan” Kerry. Obama has things he’d rather people not talk about, too, though the MSM and establishment figures have run screaming away from talking about his past on their own. I wonder what he’d have to do to make them come up with a single scandal.

    Big time politics isn’t a gentleman’s club. It’s also not the cutthroat free for all people pretend it is. They can destroy anyone at any time, I imagine, but they save it for the apostates. After all, if everyone goes after everyone else for everything who’ll be left to run things? Outsiders (that is, heretics)? Those are the ones you burn.

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    Robert Penn Warren in All the King's Men :

    http://www.tinyrevolution.com/mt/archives/002320.html

    We clocked off five miles more, and I said, "But suppose there isn't anything to find?"
    And the Boss said, "There is always something."

    And I said, "Maybe not on the Judge."

    And he said, "Man is conceived in sin and born in corruption and he passeth from the stink of the didie to the stench of the shroud. There is always something."
     
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  • @Ron Unz

    why didn’t you stay with physics?
     
    Well, I've sometimes regretted my defection from theoretical physics during the mid/late 1980s, and there were several causes. One was the total stagnation of the field in that era, which also caused the departure of perhaps 80% of my age-cohort around the same time, including many of the most able.

    As for another factor, here's a link to something I published a couple of years ago:

    http://www.unz.com/article/no-quotas-no-elite-public-high-school/

    “the total stagnation of the field in that era”

    The field remains stagnant, shameful hullabaloo over this week’s particle to end all particles notwithstanding.

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  • @donut
    Even though your nos. are technically correct I think it is always a mistake to try to inflate them . As in the Holocaust , the insistence of the 6,000,000 number has led to a debate focused on the accuracy of the figures which can lead to a debate whether or not the event even happened at all . . If anything it is better to understate the nos. that way those who would deny that anything happened are better off not addressing the issue at all .

    “As in the Holocaust , the insistence of the 6,000,000 number has led to a debate focused on the accuracy of the figures which can lead to a debate whether or not the event even happened at all”

    With the Holocaust the number is the event. Nobody believes the Nazis did nothing whatsoever to Jews and others (but mostly Jews are all we care about, for some reason) during WWII. People argue about whether or not the Worst Thing Ever happened, which is the deliberate plot to kill the Jews of Europe on a massive, industrial scale, resulting in millions of murders. Whatever else happened, they may call it “the Holocaust,” too, but that’s not what people think of when they hear the word. If the word was about forced migration, inhumane treatment, starvation, false imprisonment, enslavement, exposure to disease, theft of property, and legal discrimination alone it wouldn’t be a household word.

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  • […] nominee a hero?  For the time being I will put aside the issue of whether McCain actually collaborated with his captors.  Instead I’d like to look at this at a more basic level of what […]

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  • @Anonymous
    We now live in a time when heroes are no longer defined by what you do but what is done to you, like getting captured, like Jessica Lynch or John McCain.

    McCain is the perfect hero for our victim culture. The most famous veteran of a war we lost is a guy who got shot down and captured. This is what young men have to look up to these days: a failed pilot that left his dying wife.

    I respect him for going to fight. He could have found a desk job with his family connections. But that doesn't make him a national hero. And his record as a politician has been to serve as lap dog to those with money and power, instead of serving the citizens or the country.

    I was cheering out loud when I heard Trump call him out on it. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

    “I respect him for going to fight.”

    Why?
    It was an illegal war of aggression, the ultimate war crime.

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  • @leftist conservative
    Art, why does it seem like every post you make has to do with jews? This column is about mccain, not jews.

    Look, I hate anti-white multiculturalism, mass immigration, the military war machine, washington DC etc. That is why I post on this site.

    But jews are basically just whites, and in fact there is a good argument that jews are in some ways the very essence of western culture.

    Jews played a big part in the invention of modern science. Modern science is at the core of western civilization.

    No, I aint real keen on Israel.

    Yes, obviously, jews are disproportionately rich and powerful. But so are white people. And when it comes down to it, 95% of american jews look indistinguishable from white americans.

    And you will of course point out that jews are disproportionately members of the liberal establishment. But so are highly educated people. And jews are highly educated.

    So get off the jew kick.

    Now as to mccain...he is pure evil, and I totally buy into the theory that he is much more traitor than hero.

    He really represents the establishment. And that makes him evil.

    And I like the theory that most powerful politicians got that way because they are blackmail-able.

    “So get off the jew kick.”

    Go to this web site for 30 days and then get back to me.

    https://alethonews.wordpress.com

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  • @leftist conservative
    Art, why does it seem like every post you make has to do with jews? This column is about mccain, not jews.

    Look, I hate anti-white multiculturalism, mass immigration, the military war machine, washington DC etc. That is why I post on this site.

    But jews are basically just whites, and in fact there is a good argument that jews are in some ways the very essence of western culture.

    Jews played a big part in the invention of modern science. Modern science is at the core of western civilization.

    No, I aint real keen on Israel.

    Yes, obviously, jews are disproportionately rich and powerful. But so are white people. And when it comes down to it, 95% of american jews look indistinguishable from white americans.

    And you will of course point out that jews are disproportionately members of the liberal establishment. But so are highly educated people. And jews are highly educated.

    So get off the jew kick.

    Now as to mccain...he is pure evil, and I totally buy into the theory that he is much more traitor than hero.

    He really represents the establishment. And that makes him evil.

    And I like the theory that most powerful politicians got that way because they are blackmail-able.

    Jewish people do not think of themselves as White and they do not vote like Whites.
    I’d like to agree but voting patterns certainly do not.
    What’s the line” They earn like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans”

    Also even they themselves do not agree that they are White, witness Mike Wallace at .10 to .20 of this vid

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  • […] in his web-based Unz Review in March was John McCain: When “Tokyo Rose” Ran for President. In 2010, the American Conservative (formerly run by conservative commentator Pat Buchanan) […]

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  • McCains ties to organized crime:

    http://www.wnd.com/2008/02/57354/

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  • @tbraton
    "Of course, men perform gallant acts while in captivity–e.g., the late Vice Admiral James B. Stockdale, USN–for which decorations are in order."

    No argument here, Orville Hudson. I believe I stated in an earlier post that McCain made no attempt to escape, unlike others who made valiant and brave attempts to do so and were awarded well-deserved medals for their actions. I seem to recall there were several instances where POWs held by the North Vietnamese made daring attempts to escape (some successful) and were deservedly honored for their brave exploits. So I concede that there are instances where a POW can justifiably be awarded a high medal, but it should require something above and beyond merely serving as a POW. And you correctly cite the special case of Adm. Stockdale, which I will address below.

    After great resistance, legislation was finally passed in 1985 authorizing a separate Prisoner of War medal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_War_Medal I hadn't realized how many Silver Stars were awarded to our POWs held by the North Vietnamese. As I noted earlier, I had a friend about 20 years ago who was a POW during the Korean War. I don't recall him saying he was awarded any medals just because he was a POW. I believe the reason so many Silver Stars were awarded to POWs during the Vietnam war was because of the guilt surrounding that falsely started and totally unnecessary war. I came across this piece written in 2008 by someone who was a plebe at the Naval Academy when McCain was a senior and lived across the hall and who was a POW in North Vietnam for three more years than McCain (who was held for 5-1/2 years). In the course of his article, the author states as follows:

    "4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW's in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor -- 8, Service Crosses -- 42, Silver Stars -- 590, Bronze Stars -- 958 and Purple Hearts -- 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many -- not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe."
    http://www.alternet.org/story/95825/i_spent_years_as_a_pow_with_john_mccain,_and_his_finger_should_not_be_near_the_red_button posted august 2008

    So, using the figures above. there were 590 Silver Stars awarded to approximately 600 POWs in Vietnam. I see from his most recent piece that Ron Unz gives a figure of 591 POWs who were released by North Vietnam, which means that virtually every released POW got a Silver Star. (Although, to be fair, it is not clear from the piece cited above whether the released POWs got Silver Stars for other actions unrelated to their time as POWs.) To me that seems a mite excessive and totally inconsistent with the standards set forth to justify the award of a Silver Star (per Wikipedia):

    "The Silver Star is awarded for gallantry not justifying the award of one of the next higher valor awards: the Distinguished Service Cross, the Navy Cross, or the Air Force Cross.[4] The gallantry displayed must have taken place while in action against an enemy of the United States, while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force, or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party."

    I have previously given McCain credit for refusing early release by the Vietnamese, but he was just following standard procedure. Here is what the author said about that:

    "So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW's were released, with the sick and wounded going first."

    According to one press account, "McCain was awarded a Silver Star Medal for resisting "extreme mental and physical cruelties" inflicted upon him by his captors from late October to early December 1967, the early months of his captivity, according to the citation. The North Vietnamese, according to the Navy, ignored international agreements and tortured McCain "in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes." http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-05-07-2662742753_x.htm

    That seems directly contrary to the lengthy first person account McCain gave to U.S. News back in 1973 in which he admitted that, after just a few days in captivity, he himself offered to provide information to the North Vietnamese in order to obtain medical care for his injuries.

    I had to refresh my memory re the late Adm. Stockdale. I vaguely remembered him as a Vietnam war hero who was selected by Ross Perot to be his running mate in the 1992 election. He was nearly 70 at the time (and he subsequently, like Reagan, slowly succumbed to Alzheimer's and died in 2005), and he was ill served by Perot. As a result, he came across as a somewhat comical figure, which masked his true worth.

    Here is what his Medal of Honor citation says:

    "For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while senior naval officer in the Prisoner of War camps of North Vietnam. Recognized by his captors as the leader in the Prisoners' of War resistance to interrogation and in their refusal to participate in propaganda exploitation, Rear Adm. Stockdale was singled out for interrogation and attendant torture after he was detected in a covert communications attempt. Sensing the start of another purge, and aware that his earlier efforts at self-disfiguration to dissuade his captors from exploiting him for propaganda purposes had resulted in cruel and agonizing punishment, Rear Adm. Stockdale resolved to make himself a symbol of resistance regardless of personal sacrifice. He deliberately inflicted a near-mortal wound to his person in order to convince his captors of his willingness to give up his life rather than capitulate. He was subsequently discovered and revived by the North Vietnamese who, convinced of his indomitable spirit, abated in their employment of excessive harassment and torture toward all of the Prisoners of War. By his heroic action, at great peril to himself, he earned the everlasting gratitude of his fellow prisoners and of his country. Rear Adm. Stockdale's valiant leadership and extraordinary courage in a hostile environment sustain and enhance the finest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service."

    Sounds to me that Stockdale acted heroically and fully deserved his Medal of Honor. More importantly, to me at least, was his honesty in later recounting what actually happened at the Gulf of Tonkin, which was the basis for our starting that stupid war. Here is what Wikipedia says:

    "Two nights later, on 4 August 1964, Stockdale was overhead during the second reported attack in the Tonkin Gulf. Unlike the first event, which was an actual sea battle, no Vietnamese forces were, however, believed to have been involved in the second engagement. In the early 1990s, he recounted: "[I] had the best seat in the house to watch that event, and our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets—there were no PT boats there.... There was nothing there but black water and American fire power." Stockdale said his superiors ordered him to keep quiet about the details of that night.[citation needed]
    The next morning, on 5 August 1964, President Johnson ordered bombing raids on North Vietnamese military targets which he announced were retaliation for the alleged incident of 4 August. When Stockdale was awoken in the early morning and was told he was to lead these attacks he responded: "Retaliation for what?" Later, while a prisoner of war, he was concerned that he would be forced to reveal this secret about the Vietnam War."

    Stockdale's honesty made him ill-suited to be a politician.

    Sorry for mistakenly responding in my text to “Orville Hudson” when it should have been “Orville Larson.” My only excuse is that the message was started and largely completed in the middle of the night upon awakening for a few hours. Apologies to Orville Larson.

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  • @Orville H. Larson
    " . . . Sitting in a POW camp, regardless of the conditions, while meriting our greatest sympathy, does not in itself justify the award of a prestigious medal or elevation to the status of a 'war hero.'"

    In and of itself, no. A POW is exactly that, a prisoner. He's not doing any fighting. Nothing "heroic" about that. And how'd you get taken prisoner in the first place? Did you--like General Jonathan Wainwright's men in the Philippines, or the defenders of Wake Island in December 1941--fight on until the situation was hopeless? Or did you surrender out of cowardice? . . .

    Of course, men perform gallant acts while in captivity--e.g., the late Vice Admiral James B. Stockdale, USN--for which decorations are in order.

    “Of course, men perform gallant acts while in captivity–e.g., the late Vice Admiral James B. Stockdale, USN–for which decorations are in order.”

    No argument here, Orville Hudson. I believe I stated in an earlier post that McCain made no attempt to escape, unlike others who made valiant and brave attempts to do so and were awarded well-deserved medals for their actions. I seem to recall there were several instances where POWs held by the North Vietnamese made daring attempts to escape (some successful) and were deservedly honored for their brave exploits. So I concede that there are instances where a POW can justifiably be awarded a high medal, but it should require something above and beyond merely serving as a POW. And you correctly cite the special case of Adm. Stockdale, which I will address below.

    After great resistance, legislation was finally passed in 1985 authorizing a separate Prisoner of War medal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_War_Medal I hadn’t realized how many Silver Stars were awarded to our POWs held by the North Vietnamese. As I noted earlier, I had a friend about 20 years ago who was a POW during the Korean War. I don’t recall him saying he was awarded any medals just because he was a POW. I believe the reason so many Silver Stars were awarded to POWs during the Vietnam war was because of the guilt surrounding that falsely started and totally unnecessary war. I came across this piece written in 2008 by someone who was a plebe at the Naval Academy when McCain was a senior and lived across the hall and who was a POW in North Vietnam for three more years than McCain (who was held for 5-1/2 years). In the course of his article, the author states as follows:

    “4) John was awarded a Silver Star and Purple Heart for heroism and wounds in combat. This heroism has been played up in the press and in his various political campaigns. But it should be known that there were approximately 600 military POW’s in Vietnam. Among all of us, decorations awarded have recently been totaled to the following: Medals of Honor — 8, Service Crosses — 42, Silver Stars — 590, Bronze Stars — 958 and Purple Hearts — 1,249. John certainly performed courageously and well. But it must be remembered that he was one hero among many — not uniquely so as his campaigns would have people believe.”
    http://www.alternet.org/story/95825/i_spent_years_as_a_pow_with_john_mccain,_and_his_finger_should_not_be_near_the_red_button posted august 2008

    So, using the figures above. there were 590 Silver Stars awarded to approximately 600 POWs in Vietnam. I see from his most recent piece that Ron Unz gives a figure of 591 POWs who were released by North Vietnam, which means that virtually every released POW got a Silver Star. (Although, to be fair, it is not clear from the piece cited above whether the released POWs got Silver Stars for other actions unrelated to their time as POWs.) To me that seems a mite excessive and totally inconsistent with the standards set forth to justify the award of a Silver Star (per Wikipedia):

    “The Silver Star is awarded for gallantry not justifying the award of one of the next higher valor awards: the Distinguished Service Cross, the Navy Cross, or the Air Force Cross.[4] The gallantry displayed must have taken place while in action against an enemy of the United States, while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force, or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party.”

    I have previously given McCain credit for refusing early release by the Vietnamese, but he was just following standard procedure. Here is what the author said about that:

    “So I, like numerous others, refused the offer. This was obviously something none of us could accept. Besides, we were bound by our service regulations, Geneva Conventions and loyalties to refuse early release until all the POW’s were released, with the sick and wounded going first.”

    According to one press account, “McCain was awarded a Silver Star Medal for resisting “extreme mental and physical cruelties” inflicted upon him by his captors from late October to early December 1967, the early months of his captivity, according to the citation. The North Vietnamese, according to the Navy, ignored international agreements and tortured McCain “in an attempt to obtain military information and false confessions for propaganda purposes.” http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-05-07-2662742753_x.htm

    That seems directly contrary to the lengthy first person account McCain gave to U.S. News back in 1973 in which he admitted that, after just a few days in captivity, he himself offered to provide information to the North Vietnamese in order to obtain medical care for his injuries.

    I had to refresh my memory re the late Adm. Stockdale. I vaguely remembered him as a Vietnam war hero who was selected by Ross Perot to be his running mate in the 1992 election. He was nearly 70 at the time (and he subsequently, like Reagan, slowly succumbed to Alzheimer’s and died in 2005), and he was ill served by Perot. As a result, he came across as a somewhat comical figure, which masked his true worth.

    Here is what his Medal of Honor citation says:

    “For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty while senior naval officer in the Prisoner of War camps of North Vietnam. Recognized by his captors as the leader in the Prisoners’ of War resistance to interrogation and in their refusal to participate in propaganda exploitation, Rear Adm. Stockdale was singled out for interrogation and attendant torture after he was detected in a covert communications attempt. Sensing the start of another purge, and aware that his earlier efforts at self-disfiguration to dissuade his captors from exploiting him for propaganda purposes had resulted in cruel and agonizing punishment, Rear Adm. Stockdale resolved to make himself a symbol of resistance regardless of personal sacrifice. He deliberately inflicted a near-mortal wound to his person in order to convince his captors of his willingness to give up his life rather than capitulate. He was subsequently discovered and revived by the North Vietnamese who, convinced of his indomitable spirit, abated in their employment of excessive harassment and torture toward all of the Prisoners of War. By his heroic action, at great peril to himself, he earned the everlasting gratitude of his fellow prisoners and of his country. Rear Adm. Stockdale’s valiant leadership and extraordinary courage in a hostile environment sustain and enhance the finest traditions of the U.S. Naval Service.”

    Sounds to me that Stockdale acted heroically and fully deserved his Medal of Honor. More importantly, to me at least, was his honesty in later recounting what actually happened at the Gulf of Tonkin, which was the basis for our starting that stupid war. Here is what Wikipedia says:

    “Two nights later, on 4 August 1964, Stockdale was overhead during the second reported attack in the Tonkin Gulf. Unlike the first event, which was an actual sea battle, no Vietnamese forces were, however, believed to have been involved in the second engagement. In the early 1990s, he recounted: “[I] had the best seat in the house to watch that event, and our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets—there were no PT boats there…. There was nothing there but black water and American fire power.” Stockdale said his superiors ordered him to keep quiet about the details of that night.[citation needed]
    The next morning, on 5 August 1964, President Johnson ordered bombing raids on North Vietnamese military targets which he announced were retaliation for the alleged incident of 4 August. When Stockdale was awoken in the early morning and was told he was to lead these attacks he responded: “Retaliation for what?” Later, while a prisoner of war, he was concerned that he would be forced to reveal this secret about the Vietnam War.”

    Stockdale’s honesty made him ill-suited to be a politician.

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    Sorry for mistakenly responding in my text to "Orville Hudson" when it should have been "Orville Larson." My only excuse is that the message was started and largely completed in the middle of the night upon awakening for a few hours. Apologies to Orville Larson.
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  • Hero—-NO! Traitor——YES!

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  • @rod1963
    Nothing McCain did in Vietnam merited the label "heroic" that was manufactured by our news media when he came whom.

    Compared to York, Murphy or the current crop of CMH holders he's a nothing. His Silver Star was for nothing. Officers were routinely given Bronze and Silver Stars in Vietman just for visiting the front lines on a helicopter ride. He got it for breathing.

    Today you can get a Bronze Star for administrative duties.

    He never did anything heroic. If suffering is a standard for being labeled heroic(which in McCain's case is according to the MSM and some vets), then just about every person in the country that has been maimed, crippled or suffered massive burns is a hero as well.

    If it wasn't for daddy, he would have been a Annapolis washout. Graduating at the bottom of the class. Wow, that explains his stupidity.

    Politically he's done nothing but support policies that have wrecked this country economically, supported wars that were blantantly illegal, tried to get us into a hot war with Russia(and still might). He supports open borders and amnesty. He also openly insulted and mocked Arizonans who wanted a secure border.

    So please stop with the faux outrage that I'm seeing from a bunch of RINOs and party hacks. It does not work on people who get their news from other sources than Fox or Limbaugh.

    Now if these "outraged" vets and FAUXNEWs talking heads were to show the same outrage over bad trade deals that have wrecked our economy and jobs base, would have supported secure borders before Trump mentioned it first, or demand the punishment of Wall Street executives that have a**raped our country for the last 20 years.

    I'd listen to them if they did. They don't, they are geldings and self-servers who care nothing for the country or it's people.
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    Beautiful Come back to the the poster/troll.

    Today you can get a Bronze Star for administrative duties. How about all that fruit salad on Petraeus? His aide-de-camp developed a hernia carrying the rest of his stuff.

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  • @Art
    Hey General - going to war does not give you a free pass the rest of your life.

    McCain's undying support of fascist Zionist Israel puts him in league with the bad guys.

    Look at all the evil that has come our way because of 9/11 and our unjust political support of Israel by McCain and others.

    “Hey General – going to war does not give you a free pass the rest of your life.”

    It was an unnecessary war, our government lied us into and we lost.

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  • […] are allegations that McCain provided propaganda broadcasts for the North Vietnamese as if some Tokyo Rose and has since worked extensively to cover up efforts to open up some Pentagon files that would help […]

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  • McCain certainly lied to investigators about planes he trashed (crashed) in training…

    McCain recounted the accident decades later in his autobiography. “The engine quit while I was practicing landings,” he wrote. But an investigation board at the Naval Aviation Safety Center found no evidence of engine failure.

    The 23-year-old junior lieutenant wasn’t paying attention and erred in using “a power setting too low to maintain level flight in a turn,” investigators concluded

    …or when filing what amounted to a false flight plan when expropriating government property for personal use (flying to the Army-Navy game to take it in with his big-shot daddy.) And the report contradicting his account of crashing a plane in that instance was subsequently amended:

    In his autobiography, McCain said he had flown on a Saturday to Philadelphia to watch the annual Army-Navy football game with his parents. The accident report does not mention Philadelphia but rather indicates that McCain departed from a now-closed Navy field in New York City on Sunday afternoon and was headed to Norfolk, Va.

    In a report dated Jan. 18, 1966, the Naval Aviation Safety Center said it could not determine the cause of the accident or corroborate McCain’s account of an explosion in the engine. A close examination of the engine found “no discrepancies which would have caused or contributed to engine failure or malfunction.”

    The report found that McCain, then assigned to squadron VT-7 in Meridian, Miss., had made several errors: He failed to switch the plane’s power system to battery backup, which “seriously jeopardized his survival chances.” His idea of landing on the drag strip was “viewed with concern and is indicative of questionable emergency procedure.”

    The report added, “It may be indeed fortunate that the pilot was not in a position to attempt such a landing.”

    McCain also ejected too late and too low, was not wearing proper flight equipment and positioned his body improperly before ejecting, the report said.

    The official record includes comments from pilots in his own squadron who defended McCain’s actions as “proper and timely.”

    About two weeks after issuing its report, the safety center revised its findings and said the accident resulted from the failure or malfunction of an “undetermined component of the engine.”

    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/06/nation/na-aviator6

    If McCain’s alleged treason in Vietnam were to be demonstrated beyond dispute, it nonetheless pales when compared to the ’1980 October Surprise’ engineered by George H.W. Bush and Robert Gates as detailed by former Israeli intelligence operative Ari Ben Menache:

    http://ronaldthomaswest.com/2015/02/24/profits-of-war/

    Those criticizing Ron Unz for what is essentially a call for closer scrutiny of not only John McCain but a larger media cover-up of miscreants in position of high office, are behaving as little more than trolls for what does indeed amount to ‘American Pravda’

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