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    Overseas, the United States is engaged in real wars in which bombs are dropped, missiles are launched, and people (generally not Americans) are killed, wounded, uprooted, and displaced. Yet here at home, there’s nothing real about those wars. Here, it’s phony war all the way. In the last 17 years of “forever war,” this nation...
  • @Center for Study of the Obvious
    Good emendation in the comments. You always have to qualify Tom Dispatch gatekeeping and strip off the grade-school civics slogans that they use to pull their punches.

    First the idea that democracy is under threat. Bullshit. Democracy ended in 1949 when CIA established its impunity in municipal law. Postwar US history is the story of CIA buffing its unlimited life-and-death power with administrative red tape and bad-faith legal hackwork in the transnational space.

    With that out of the way, What is going on with these wars? Same as always. CIA rips a place apart. That's how they top up their clandestine-crime slush fund: countries at war become entrepots for CIA arms and drug trade; CIA-installed strongmen condone CIA child trafficking for pedophile blackmail.

    When the CIA's chaos gets out of hand, CIA blames it on some shmuks. CIA destroyed Indochina and foisted the terminal rout on the Pentagon (with their tongue-in-cheek 'Pentagon Papers.') CIA merged with transnational organized crime for Iran-Contra and hung Israel's subordinate crime ring out to dry, protecting their own. Lately you see CIA blaming the Jewish State for its Syria fiasco. That's Giraldi's remit.

    But now, as my old boss would say, Something Is Happening. The military is not willing to hold the bag in Yemen.

    From Haaretz: '"Votel admitted that Centcom doesn't know when U.S. fuel and munitions are used in Yemen.

    '“General Votel, does CENTCOM track the purpose of the missions it is refueling? In other words, where a U.S.-refueled aircraft is going, what targets it strikes, and the result of the mission?” Warren asked.

    '“Senator, we do not,” Votel replied.

    'The Senator followed up, citing reports that U.S. munitions have been used against civilians in Yemen, she asked, “General Votel, when you receive reports like this from credible media organizations or outside observers, is CENTCOM able to tell if U.S. fuel or U.S. munitions were used in that strike?”

    “No, senator, I don’t believe we are,” he replied.'

    Senator Warren hastens to shake her finger at Saudi. But this is CIA's show. Everyone there knows it but they're scared to say so. Otherwise CIA paramilitaries wouldn't be on the ground there canoeing dissidents' children and extended families.

    You want to stop all this war? You've got to raze CIA. Do what Germans did to the Stasi.

    http://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=2982

    Senator Warren hastens to shake her finger at Saudi. But this is CIA’s show.

    Yup. And CIA is acting for Deep State.

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  • @Center for Study of the Obvious
    Good emendation in the comments. You always have to qualify Tom Dispatch gatekeeping and strip off the grade-school civics slogans that they use to pull their punches.

    First the idea that democracy is under threat. Bullshit. Democracy ended in 1949 when CIA established its impunity in municipal law. Postwar US history is the story of CIA buffing its unlimited life-and-death power with administrative red tape and bad-faith legal hackwork in the transnational space.

    With that out of the way, What is going on with these wars? Same as always. CIA rips a place apart. That's how they top up their clandestine-crime slush fund: countries at war become entrepots for CIA arms and drug trade; CIA-installed strongmen condone CIA child trafficking for pedophile blackmail.

    When the CIA's chaos gets out of hand, CIA blames it on some shmuks. CIA destroyed Indochina and foisted the terminal rout on the Pentagon (with their tongue-in-cheek 'Pentagon Papers.') CIA merged with transnational organized crime for Iran-Contra and hung Israel's subordinate crime ring out to dry, protecting their own. Lately you see CIA blaming the Jewish State for its Syria fiasco. That's Giraldi's remit.

    But now, as my old boss would say, Something Is Happening. The military is not willing to hold the bag in Yemen.

    From Haaretz: '"Votel admitted that Centcom doesn't know when U.S. fuel and munitions are used in Yemen.

    '“General Votel, does CENTCOM track the purpose of the missions it is refueling? In other words, where a U.S.-refueled aircraft is going, what targets it strikes, and the result of the mission?” Warren asked.

    '“Senator, we do not,” Votel replied.

    'The Senator followed up, citing reports that U.S. munitions have been used against civilians in Yemen, she asked, “General Votel, when you receive reports like this from credible media organizations or outside observers, is CENTCOM able to tell if U.S. fuel or U.S. munitions were used in that strike?”

    “No, senator, I don’t believe we are,” he replied.'

    Senator Warren hastens to shake her finger at Saudi. But this is CIA's show. Everyone there knows it but they're scared to say so. Otherwise CIA paramilitaries wouldn't be on the ground there canoeing dissidents' children and extended families.

    You want to stop all this war? You've got to raze CIA. Do what Germans did to the Stasi.

    http://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=2982

    Or have an executive with some serious backbone willing to say\

    “Minus any threat to the US or of immediate threat to her allies, No”.

    As a fan of the CIA, and can see their value, I would prefer we avoid blowing it up. Besides there are hundreds of think tanks making contentions for interventions. Not to mention hundreds working in government with agendas.

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  • @Jim Christian
    SAIC, Booze Allen (Snowden was from there, or maybe Ernst & Young), Boeing, they're all boarded 80%-plus with Jews, they own Congress, there's no getting rid of any of them. But in the end, their hubris and greed will destroy us all. I don't see what the check on the power of the MIC could possibly be. They don't even have to go to Congress for authority, a vote, for the violence they drive in our names, their children don't serve in the military. For them, it's all a lovely gravy.

    “I don’t see what the check on the power of the MIC could possibly be. They don’t even have to go to Congress for authority, a vote, for the violence they drive in our names….”

    That’s why the term Deep State is so appropriate.

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  • Good emendation in the comments. You always have to qualify Tom Dispatch gatekeeping and strip off the grade-school civics slogans that they use to pull their punches.

    First the idea that democracy is under threat. Bullshit. Democracy ended in 1949 when CIA established its impunity in municipal law. Postwar US history is the story of CIA buffing its unlimited life-and-death power with administrative red tape and bad-faith legal hackwork in the transnational space.

    With that out of the way, What is going on with these wars? Same as always. CIA rips a place apart. That’s how they top up their clandestine-crime slush fund: countries at war become entrepots for CIA arms and drug trade; CIA-installed strongmen condone CIA child trafficking for pedophile blackmail.

    When the CIA’s chaos gets out of hand, CIA blames it on some shmuks. CIA destroyed Indochina and foisted the terminal rout on the Pentagon (with their tongue-in-cheek ‘Pentagon Papers.’) CIA merged with transnational organized crime for Iran-Contra and hung Israel’s subordinate crime ring out to dry, protecting their own. Lately you see CIA blaming the Jewish State for its Syria fiasco. That’s Giraldi’s remit.

    But now, as my old boss would say, Something Is Happening. The military is not willing to hold the bag in Yemen.

    From Haaretz: ‘”Votel admitted that Centcom doesn’t know when U.S. fuel and munitions are used in Yemen.

    ‘“General Votel, does CENTCOM track the purpose of the missions it is refueling? In other words, where a U.S.-refueled aircraft is going, what targets it strikes, and the result of the mission?” Warren asked.

    ‘“Senator, we do not,” Votel replied.

    ‘The Senator followed up, citing reports that U.S. munitions have been used against civilians in Yemen, she asked, “General Votel, when you receive reports like this from credible media organizations or outside observers, is CENTCOM able to tell if U.S. fuel or U.S. munitions were used in that strike?”

    “No, senator, I don’t believe we are,” he replied.’

    Senator Warren hastens to shake her finger at Saudi. But this is CIA’s show. Everyone there knows it but they’re scared to say so. Otherwise CIA paramilitaries wouldn’t be on the ground there canoeing dissidents’ children and extended families.

    You want to stop all this war? You’ve got to raze CIA. Do what Germans did to the Stasi.

    http://ghdi.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=2982

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    Or have an executive with some serious backbone willing to say\

    "Minus any threat to the US or of immediate threat to her allies, No".


    As a fan of the CIA, and can see their value, I would prefer we avoid blowing it up. Besides there are hundreds of think tanks making contentions for interventions. Not to mention hundreds working in government with agendas.

    , @RobinG

    Senator Warren hastens to shake her finger at Saudi. But this is CIA’s show.
     
    Yup. And CIA is acting for Deep State.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @redmudhooch
    War is a racket. All of DC is in on it, if they're not calling for a real 9/11 investigation, they're complicit. No one can watch the videos of WTC coming down and not know it was blown to bits with explosives. No pieces of airplane found at Pentagon or in Penn, its obvious enough for a 13 year old to figure out. They're all traitors and belong in prison or on a rope.
    If Americans saw the real war on the MSM nightly news, the dead kids, bodies with guts and brains hanging out, these senseless wars would have ended not long after they started.. how anyone could believe that Pence or anyone else up there is a God fearing Christian is insane. They're criminals, mass murderers, criminally insane. No other way of looking at it.
    They've been doing their best to get one started here at home, BLM, Antifa, police shooting incitement, school shootings, bringing in people from countries we have bombed into ruin, all the false flags, this is all "government" approved psyops, doing their best to make Americans as miserable and angry as possible. I think its gonna backfire BIG league on them though, people are waking up and seeing through the BS like never before, even the old timers are turning off the CIA brainwashing box.
    Its pretty clear for all to see the devil himself has taken over America's "government"
    Say what you want about Trump, but he has exposed the lying media for all too see.

    Trump is an actor. Only confused sheep, for example, see a difference between Trump and Obama, or any of the other presidents the slave class loves so much. Trump belongs to the Ruling Class. If he didn’t, the rulers never would have selected him as president.

    Trump lied like all the other actors when he spoke to the zombies. He said he would end wars, but has ramped them up. He said he would cool it with Russia, now relations are worse than the cold war.

    The real damage that we don’t hear too much about is the domestic purge where the average zombie is going to get crushed with reduced quality of life and more slavery so that the glorious military and the wealth of the rich can expand. Notice how that’s not the issue?

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  • @RobinG
    Your inclusion of Lockheed - the private, non-governmental sector - makes your description of Deep State agreeable. Great point - they are ruthless.

    Kevin Shipp gives a more detailed analysis. In more recent (longer) talks, he does include Israel Lobby, but this is long enough. ;)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHbrOg092GA
    CIA Agent Whistleblower Risks All To Expose The Shadow Government

    SAIC, Booze Allen (Snowden was from there, or maybe Ernst & Young), Boeing, they’re all boarded 80%-plus with Jews, they own Congress, there’s no getting rid of any of them. But in the end, their hubris and greed will destroy us all. I don’t see what the check on the power of the MIC could possibly be. They don’t even have to go to Congress for authority, a vote, for the violence they drive in our names, their children don’t serve in the military. For them, it’s all a lovely gravy.

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    "I don’t see what the check on the power of the MIC could possibly be. They don’t even have to go to Congress for authority, a vote, for the violence they drive in our names...."
     
    That's why the term Deep State is so appropriate.
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  • If anyone has new and or missed evidence that supports any claim concerning those responsible, there are dozens of lawyers with open pending cases that would be delighted to have what evidence you can provide to assist them.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    Propaganda can accomplish great things.
    After Stalin blockaded Berlin in 1948 it took maybe two years to convert FDR's Uncle Joe into THE threat to the USA, and have a McCarthy driving many in the USA to suicide, or having them punished for asserted espionage by death, the Rosenbergs.
    The Manhattan scientist who understood the world, forgot his name, who gave the atomic bomb secrets for nothing to the USSR, on his own initiative, died in his bed in GB.
    He possibly prevented the atomic destruction of the USSR.

    The Mississippi River was choked with dead communists for five years but still McCarthy pursued his evil “investigation.”

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  • @August Storm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria .

    In the battle of Manchuria ( China ) , August 1945 , or " August Storm " , the Russians defeated the imperial japanese army , the road to Japan was open for the Red Army and the chinese . Then the yankees threw the atomic bombs to Japan to threaten the Russians ( who still did not have the atomic bomb at the time ) to not to invade Japan .

    Japan was completeley defeated , there was not any military need to throw atomic bombs on Japan . The Americans have a sad record for bombing unarmed civilians : Corea , Vietnam , Germany , Irak, Afganistan , Libia , Siria , Japan , etc.....

    Please. The U.S. did not bomb civilians, armed or unarmed, in Vietnam. Where do you get this garbage?

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  • @jacques sheete

    The USA mistake of WWI was ...
     
    Getting involved in it.

    Minding our own business was never a strong suit of our ruling classes, but it would have saved the world a lot of grief. However, it would have shaved the profits of the bankers and other war profiteers.


    The "war for profit group" seem to labor under the impression that it is their war, and that it shall be their material gain. That group, surely is the cause of wars…

    -Charles A. Lindbergh, Why is your country at war and what happens to you after the war, and related subjects" p77, (1917)

    https://archive.org/stream/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog_djvu.txt

     

    Excellent book,by the way. Short and to the point. Has some really annoying errors, but overall well worth a read.

    America’s entry into WWI was the Jewish gift to Britain for Britain’s gift of Palestine to them. Britain happened not to own Palestine at the time but hey.

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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Article is nice sensible lukewarm and gentlemanly
    I am only puzzled that obviously the lieutenant colonel never read or actually never heard about PNAC. And that is actually shocking, Because as a Professor of history that should be the first item which he should teach his pupils.

    And we should focus on PNAC why?

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  • Given your extremely limited understanding of the events, do yourself a favour and study a lot more the available information surrounding the events before commenting on 9/11. It just makes you appear you to be a knuckle-dragging idiot or a Hasbara shill, which is the more likely case.

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  • @anonymous

    Most of not all would never have been permitted in the country – no fly lists..
    They would have been picked in the US for having overstayed their VISA.
     
    Many of the perps were born in USA, others -- such as the Israeli 'art students' and 'moving company employees' were, apparently, in USA with knowledge and forbearance of US government.

    I think that is an astute obtuse observation.
     

    While I do not dismiss the argument that the entire even could have been an inside job. Until there is more than ifs and buts I tend to accept the contention that this was an act perpetrated by men assigned the task by Osama Bin Laden.

    The reason, the CIA knew exactly who they were so early is because they had lost track of them soon after their arrival in the Philippines. They had been on “no fly lists” and were monitored as possible threats. The attacks on USS Cole(?) and the embassy bombing placed Osama Bin Laden and company on the radar list with greater intensity than previously.

    There were known fixtures in the communities in which they lived. So the VISA scenario makes sense to me. It doesn’t mean there are not other possibilities, but in my view said possibilities are missing tangible links.

    There are a lot of suspicious unanswered questions — while suspicious, hardly serves as evidence in my view.

    Given my understanding of events, had the US enforced its immigration laws, the entire cabal most likely would have collapsed. In fact, they would not have been in country.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    Propaganda can accomplish great things.
    After Stalin blockaded Berlin in 1948 it took maybe two years to convert FDR's Uncle Joe into THE threat to the USA, and have a McCarthy driving many in the USA to suicide, or having them punished for asserted espionage by death, the Rosenbergs.
    The Manhattan scientist who understood the world, forgot his name, who gave the atomic bomb secrets for nothing to the USSR, on his own initiative, died in his bed in GB.
    He possibly prevented the atomic destruction of the USSR.

    Stalin didn’t blockade Berlin. It was the Americans that tried to flood east Berlin with worthess Reichsmarks just before the ‘West’ issued new Deutschmarks without consulting the USSR about it. There were massive runs on stores and goods in an attempt to leave the USSR holding the pallets of worthless Nazi currency. Everything the US-UK said was a lie back then, and they never quit.

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  • War is a racket. All of DC is in on it, if they’re not calling for a real 9/11 investigation, they’re complicit. No one can watch the videos of WTC coming down and not know it was blown to bits with explosives. No pieces of airplane found at Pentagon or in Penn, its obvious enough for a 13 year old to figure out. They’re all traitors and belong in prison or on a rope.
    If Americans saw the real war on the MSM nightly news, the dead kids, bodies with guts and brains hanging out, these senseless wars would have ended not long after they started.. how anyone could believe that Pence or anyone else up there is a God fearing Christian is insane. They’re criminals, mass murderers, criminally insane. No other way of looking at it.
    They’ve been doing their best to get one started here at home, BLM, Antifa, police shooting incitement, school shootings, bringing in people from countries we have bombed into ruin, all the false flags, this is all “government” approved psyops, doing their best to make Americans as miserable and angry as possible. I think its gonna backfire BIG league on them though, people are waking up and seeing through the BS like never before, even the old timers are turning off the CIA brainwashing box.
    Its pretty clear for all to see the devil himself has taken over America’s “government”
    Say what you want about Trump, but he has exposed the lying media for all too see.

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    Trump is an actor. Only confused sheep, for example, see a difference between Trump and Obama, or any of the other presidents the slave class loves so much. Trump belongs to the Ruling Class. If he didn't, the rulers never would have selected him as president.

    Trump lied like all the other actors when he spoke to the zombies. He said he would end wars, but has ramped them up. He said he would cool it with Russia, now relations are worse than the cold war.

    The real damage that we don't hear too much about is the domestic purge where the average zombie is going to get crushed with reduced quality of life and more slavery so that the glorious military and the wealth of the rich can expand. Notice how that's not the issue?
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The real war is one of information. This is where the public’s hard work in creating their postings on social media reveals useful information that can be processed and launched back at them to persuade, undermine or influence etc. Note that most ideas are a composition of earlier carefully distributed propaganda via the media. Which was carefully designed for affect. The public nevertheless must be continuously observed or data mined for variability, change and results.

    This is the war that’s real, whether it’s a good one is open for debate but the usual suspects insist it is. The most demoralizing aspect of Tom’s Dispatch isn’t any different than similar propaganda that carefully develops the idea that resistance is useless – it is the number of people who are vulnerable to their easy reading manipulation and story telling that convinces them this is the way things are.

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  • @Ilyana_Rozumova
    In the military conflict the first thing to consider the theater in conflict.

    1. If conflict would happen in area around Black see, my opinion is that the Russian would come out victorious.

    2. If the conflict would happen anywhere in the other place in the wold US would defeat Russia.

    3. If US would invade Russia with NATO, Russians would beat US and NATO to pulp.

    4. If there would be Nuclear War US and NATO would be destroyed 100% But about 10% Russians would survive.

    Russia is not the aggressor , so it is my opinion that Syria and Iran and or the Ukraine is going to be used as the catalyst and in that event Russia would win, however the Zionists are hell bent on destroying Russia, so there is a good possibility that the Zionists will launch a nuclear first strike via the U.S. and in that event there is no winner , only losers.

    The zionist elite have underground bases here in the U.S. that they feel will shield them from a nuclear war, these bases are known as DUMB, deep undergound military bases, you can look this up , it is true, this shows the insanity of the elites, what the hell do they think is going to left after a nuclear war, but they believe they can survive and win, these people are Satanists.

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Barring any "real" internal conspiracy (as anything is possible), had immigration done the bare minimum of enforcing its mandate, 9/11 probably would have been prevented.

    Most of not all would never have been permitted in the country - no fly lists..
    They would have been picked in the US for having overstayed their VISA.


    I think that is an astute observation.

    Most of not all would never have been permitted in the country – no fly lists..
    They would have been picked in the US for having overstayed their VISA.

    Many of the perps were born in USA, others — such as the Israeli ‘art students’ and ‘moving company employees’ were, apparently, in USA with knowledge and forbearance of US government.

    I think that is an astute obtuse observation.

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    While I do not dismiss the argument that the entire even could have been an inside job. Until there is more than ifs and buts I tend to accept the contention that this was an act perpetrated by men assigned the task by Osama Bin Laden.

    The reason, the CIA knew exactly who they were so early is because they had lost track of them soon after their arrival in the Philippines. They had been on "no fly lists" and were monitored as possible threats. The attacks on USS Cole(?) and the embassy bombing placed Osama Bin Laden and company on the radar list with greater intensity than previously.

    There were known fixtures in the communities in which they lived. So the VISA scenario makes sense to me. It doesn't mean there are not other possibilities, but in my view said possibilities are missing tangible links.

    There are a lot of suspicious unanswered questions -- while suspicious, hardly serves as evidence in my view.

    Given my understanding of events, had the US enforced its immigration laws, the entire cabal most likely would have collapsed. In fact, they would not have been in country.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    Propaganda can accomplish great things.
    After Stalin blockaded Berlin in 1948 it took maybe two years to convert FDR's Uncle Joe into THE threat to the USA, and have a McCarthy driving many in the USA to suicide, or having them punished for asserted espionage by death, the Rosenbergs.
    The Manhattan scientist who understood the world, forgot his name, who gave the atomic bomb secrets for nothing to the USSR, on his own initiative, died in his bed in GB.
    He possibly prevented the atomic destruction of the USSR.

    Klaus Fuchs springs to mind

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  • @DESERT FOX
    Agree, the agenda of the Zionist neocons and the globalist one world government crowd is to provoke a war with Russia using Syria and Iran as the catalyst and it looks like Trump is on board this train to hell that the Zionists are running and this will be a one way trip.

    It is the same game plan the Zionist always use, they demonize the leaders and the countries that they plan to attack and this worked every time as most Americans are too busy trying to make a living to pay attention to the hate speech that the U.S. gov is spewing out via the MSM which is a wing of the Zionist controlled U.S. gov.

    The demonization of Putin and Russia is a precursor to war and the Zionists in control of the gov believe that they can survive a nuclear war with Russia and they have deep underground bases throughout America that they can go into when this war starts. They think that they will survive and maybe they will , but what is going to be left. If you are interested in the deep underground bases that the elite have prepared for themselves via the government, type this in on an internet search, it is a fact, they exist.

    The people in control of the gov are Satanists, and care not for humanity , we are just goyim ie cattle to them, and cattle get slaughtered.

    In the military conflict the first thing to consider the theater in conflict.

    1. If conflict would happen in area around Black see, my opinion is that the Russian would come out victorious.

    2. If the conflict would happen anywhere in the other place in the wold US would defeat Russia.

    3. If US would invade Russia with NATO, Russians would beat US and NATO to pulp.

    4. If there would be Nuclear War US and NATO would be destroyed 100% But about 10% Russians would survive.

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    Russia is not the aggressor , so it is my opinion that Syria and Iran and or the Ukraine is going to be used as the catalyst and in that event Russia would win, however the Zionists are hell bent on destroying Russia, so there is a good possibility that the Zionists will launch a nuclear first strike via the U.S. and in that event there is no winner , only losers.

    The zionist elite have underground bases here in the U.S. that they feel will shield them from a nuclear war, these bases are known as DUMB, deep undergound military bases, you can look this up , it is true, this shows the insanity of the elites, what the hell do they think is going to left after a nuclear war, but they believe they can survive and win, these people are Satanists.
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  • @TG
    Indeed, well said.

    But: there IS sacrifice. All those trillions of dollars wasted on pointless winless foreign wars are coming out of the standard of living of the United States, one way or the other. It's just indirect and hard to trace.

    One is reminded that Donald Trump, during his presidential campaign, suggested that we stop wasting all these trillions on stupid wars, and spend it on ourselves. For this he was excoriated as "literally Hitler." A lot of Americans voted for him because, propaganda aside, they are not stupid and they don't want this phony war nonsense. After the election, though, he finally caved, and now it's back to business as usual. The elites really like their war profits and they will not shy away from playing dirty to keep them. That's why these phony wars continue.

    Remember: IN THE LAST ELECTION THE AMERICAN PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST PHONY WARS. It's just that we don't live in a Democracy.

    But there is an alternate view. One is reminded that the terrorist attacks of 9/11 were only possible because the immigration policy of the United States is increasingly open to people from unstable nations full of extremists. That attack could not have happened a decade or so earlier.

    Even if the United States had the most benevolent foreign policy imaginable, it's a big messy world. There will always be people who hate the United States, for whatever reason. In the past these people would just stew in their own misery and kill each other. Now they can come here no questions asked. Now every extremist group in Tyrannia or Fanatistan is our concern, and we need to break up any potentially hostile organized faction anywhere in the world. So maybe - maybe - these stupid wars aren't that stupid after all. Maybe these phony wars is just one more price for "there shall be open borders."

    Barring any “real” internal conspiracy (as anything is possible), had immigration done the bare minimum of enforcing its mandate, 9/11 probably would have been prevented.

    Most of not all would never have been permitted in the country – no fly lists..
    They would have been picked in the US for having overstayed their VISA.

    I think that is an astute observation.

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    Most of not all would never have been permitted in the country – no fly lists..
    They would have been picked in the US for having overstayed their VISA.
     
    Many of the perps were born in USA, others -- such as the Israeli 'art students' and 'moving company employees' were, apparently, in USA with knowledge and forbearance of US government.

    I think that is an astute obtuse observation.
     
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  • @Iberiano
    What is also interesting, like 1984, is how easily the MSM can change American "memory" with various cultural cues and bandwagoning.

    Remember, among his many well practiced and rehearsed lines, in anticipation of Romney saying it, or something like it, Obama was ready with the cool-kids "hello, the 1980s are calling and they want their foreign policy back" quip....this after Romney said Russia was the greatest danger at one of their presidential debates. Not that Romney was correct--that's irrelevant to make the point.

    It would seem, if you polled th0se same SJWs and Dems/libs, progs who supported Obama, 10 years ago, they would have agreed that (allegedly) meddling in the US Election would be kinda a big deal--especially if it were to take down their 'girl' (imagine if Romney had posited Russia might do such a thing in upcoming elections). Not that I or anyone with a sane mind believes Russia actually meddled, at least for Trump...but just a decade ago, it was snicker-worthy of the so-called Intelligentsia of the Left to mock anyone that claimed Russia wasn't going away soon and was still a world power that was dangerous. Now all the sudden, that mockery is memory-holed and the Left "knew all along" the Russians were bad.

    But then, 30 years earlier, the Left thought the Russians were good, because they were still communist.
    It truly is hard to keep up with what Big Brother is demanding Normies think.

    The narrative can be changed back and forth, over and over, and normies will roll with it, even if they don't agree with it, there's so much "We've always been at war with" stuff, that they are immune to obvious political contradictions over a continuum of (short) time.

    Agree, the agenda of the Zionist neocons and the globalist one world government crowd is to provoke a war with Russia using Syria and Iran as the catalyst and it looks like Trump is on board this train to hell that the Zionists are running and this will be a one way trip.

    It is the same game plan the Zionist always use, they demonize the leaders and the countries that they plan to attack and this worked every time as most Americans are too busy trying to make a living to pay attention to the hate speech that the U.S. gov is spewing out via the MSM which is a wing of the Zionist controlled U.S. gov.

    The demonization of Putin and Russia is a precursor to war and the Zionists in control of the gov believe that they can survive a nuclear war with Russia and they have deep underground bases throughout America that they can go into when this war starts. They think that they will survive and maybe they will , but what is going to be left. If you are interested in the deep underground bases that the elite have prepared for themselves via the government, type this in on an internet search, it is a fact, they exist.

    The people in control of the gov are Satanists, and care not for humanity , we are just goyim ie cattle to them, and cattle get slaughtered.

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    In the military conflict the first thing to consider the theater in conflict.

    1. If conflict would happen in area around Black see, my opinion is that the Russian would come out victorious.

    2. If the conflict would happen anywhere in the other place in the wold US would defeat Russia.

    3. If US would invade Russia with NATO, Russians would beat US and NATO to pulp.

    4. If there would be Nuclear War US and NATO would be destroyed 100% But about 10% Russians would survive.
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  • @Iberiano
    What is also interesting, like 1984, is how easily the MSM can change American "memory" with various cultural cues and bandwagoning.

    Remember, among his many well practiced and rehearsed lines, in anticipation of Romney saying it, or something like it, Obama was ready with the cool-kids "hello, the 1980s are calling and they want their foreign policy back" quip....this after Romney said Russia was the greatest danger at one of their presidential debates. Not that Romney was correct--that's irrelevant to make the point.

    It would seem, if you polled th0se same SJWs and Dems/libs, progs who supported Obama, 10 years ago, they would have agreed that (allegedly) meddling in the US Election would be kinda a big deal--especially if it were to take down their 'girl' (imagine if Romney had posited Russia might do such a thing in upcoming elections). Not that I or anyone with a sane mind believes Russia actually meddled, at least for Trump...but just a decade ago, it was snicker-worthy of the so-called Intelligentsia of the Left to mock anyone that claimed Russia wasn't going away soon and was still a world power that was dangerous. Now all the sudden, that mockery is memory-holed and the Left "knew all along" the Russians were bad.

    But then, 30 years earlier, the Left thought the Russians were good, because they were still communist.
    It truly is hard to keep up with what Big Brother is demanding Normies think.

    The narrative can be changed back and forth, over and over, and normies will roll with it, even if they don't agree with it, there's so much "We've always been at war with" stuff, that they are immune to obvious political contradictions over a continuum of (short) time.

    Propaganda can accomplish great things.
    After Stalin blockaded Berlin in 1948 it took maybe two years to convert FDR’s Uncle Joe into THE threat to the USA, and have a McCarthy driving many in the USA to suicide, or having them punished for asserted espionage by death, the Rosenbergs.
    The Manhattan scientist who understood the world, forgot his name, who gave the atomic bomb secrets for nothing to the USSR, on his own initiative, died in his bed in GB.
    He possibly prevented the atomic destruction of the USSR.

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    Klaus Fuchs springs to mind
    , @Jesse James
    Stalin didn't blockade Berlin. It was the Americans that tried to flood east Berlin with worthess Reichsmarks just before the 'West' issued new Deutschmarks without consulting the USSR about it. There were massive runs on stores and goods in an attempt to leave the USSR holding the pallets of worthless Nazi currency. Everything the US-UK said was a lie back then, and they never quit.
    , @Ace
    The Mississippi River was choked with dead communists for five years but still McCarthy pursued his evil "investigation."
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  • The last phony war was from Sept 1939 until May 1940.
    I just saw a NATO statement that ‘Russia is more and more agressive’.
    I would not be surprised any more if all mankind died in about half a year or so from now.

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  • @DESERT FOX
    The U.S. government is the exact copy of Orwells 1984 where the wars are continual and where we are Oceania perpetually at war and the people are mind controlled by a big brother style gov that spies on everything we do and say via telescreens and our history is constantly rewritten by a controlled MSM and the skies are always cloudy via CHEMTRAILS and life is controlled by the state.

    What we have here is a Zionist controlled Zionist NWO on its way to becoming a Zionist ONE WORLD GOV. and by the way the Zionists did 911 and got away with it and did it in our face to tell us that we are truly goyim ie cattle to them and as we all know cattle in the end get slaughtered.

    What is also interesting, like 1984, is how easily the MSM can change American “memory” with various cultural cues and bandwagoning.

    Remember, among his many well practiced and rehearsed lines, in anticipation of Romney saying it, or something like it, Obama was ready with the cool-kids “hello, the 1980s are calling and they want their foreign policy back” quip….this after Romney said Russia was the greatest danger at one of their presidential debates. Not that Romney was correct–that’s irrelevant to make the point.

    It would seem, if you polled th0se same SJWs and Dems/libs, progs who supported Obama, 10 years ago, they would have agreed that (allegedly) meddling in the US Election would be kinda a big deal–especially if it were to take down their ‘girl’ (imagine if Romney had posited Russia might do such a thing in upcoming elections). Not that I or anyone with a sane mind believes Russia actually meddled, at least for Trump…but just a decade ago, it was snicker-worthy of the so-called Intelligentsia of the Left to mock anyone that claimed Russia wasn’t going away soon and was still a world power that was dangerous. Now all the sudden, that mockery is memory-holed and the Left “knew all along” the Russians were bad.

    But then, 30 years earlier, the Left thought the Russians were good, because they were still communist.
    It truly is hard to keep up with what Big Brother is demanding Normies think.

    The narrative can be changed back and forth, over and over, and normies will roll with it, even if they don’t agree with it, there’s so much “We’ve always been at war with” stuff, that they are immune to obvious political contradictions over a continuum of (short) time.

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    Propaganda can accomplish great things.
    After Stalin blockaded Berlin in 1948 it took maybe two years to convert FDR's Uncle Joe into THE threat to the USA, and have a McCarthy driving many in the USA to suicide, or having them punished for asserted espionage by death, the Rosenbergs.
    The Manhattan scientist who understood the world, forgot his name, who gave the atomic bomb secrets for nothing to the USSR, on his own initiative, died in his bed in GB.
    He possibly prevented the atomic destruction of the USSR.
    , @DESERT FOX
    Agree, the agenda of the Zionist neocons and the globalist one world government crowd is to provoke a war with Russia using Syria and Iran as the catalyst and it looks like Trump is on board this train to hell that the Zionists are running and this will be a one way trip.

    It is the same game plan the Zionist always use, they demonize the leaders and the countries that they plan to attack and this worked every time as most Americans are too busy trying to make a living to pay attention to the hate speech that the U.S. gov is spewing out via the MSM which is a wing of the Zionist controlled U.S. gov.

    The demonization of Putin and Russia is a precursor to war and the Zionists in control of the gov believe that they can survive a nuclear war with Russia and they have deep underground bases throughout America that they can go into when this war starts. They think that they will survive and maybe they will , but what is going to be left. If you are interested in the deep underground bases that the elite have prepared for themselves via the government, type this in on an internet search, it is a fact, they exist.

    The people in control of the gov are Satanists, and care not for humanity , we are just goyim ie cattle to them, and cattle get slaughtered.
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  • @Jim Christian
    It's all just a money transfer. Ya have to be in the thick of things around DC, the Pentagon, the likes of Lockheed, the spooks at NSA, certain aspects of Federal Law Enforcement, the whole Alphabet Soup. The dough is a-flowing and they're up to their hand-sewn collars in it. Their mansions, their 5 BMWs or whatever, the Rolexes, the vacations, beautiful women at home AND on the road. They intend to hand it all over to their children as their fathers handed it over to them. They are NOT giving this up. Ever.

    Get in the way, Mr. Senator or Congressman or President? Here's what we have on YOU sir, usually a girlfriend or some depravity, they're politicians after all. End of the day, these are the people that get richer every day by killing people. They're very good at it. Even in Britain, the UK, even Russians aren't safe in the quest to keep it all going. Get in the way of the cabal and their income streams in any way, they can disappear you and blame it on Putin. These are the people that kill people. Remember that, you'll be well-served.

    Back when Reagan was doing his impersonation of POTUS, the defense deficit was some measly amount and the cry went out to privatize defense because the free market could do it for less. Pretty funny in retrospect.

    They also fixed our inefficient corporations and markets, then went on to fix housing, inequality and end poverty. As if that wasn’t enough, they also fixed healthcare and banking. I’m surprised we’re still afloat. I expect a Wiley Coyote moment soon.

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  • @El Dato
    > chemtrails

    Does this meme still run? I thought it died when the X-Files petered out, back in the 90s?

    Mental poisoning with non-existing stuff.

    If you want to learn about chemtrails aka aerosol spraying of the skies as a scam to combat global warming go to GEOENGINEERINGWATCH.ORG. The gov is spraying aerosols containing nano particles of aluminum and barium and strontium and I have seen this going on in the area where I live for going on 30 years in the sky here and all over America and Europe and other areas of the earth.

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  • @DESERT FOX
    The global warming scam and chemtrails are explained on Geoengineeringwatch.org.

    > chemtrails

    Does this meme still run? I thought it died when the X-Files petered out, back in the 90s?

    Mental poisoning with non-existing stuff.

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    If you want to learn about chemtrails aka aerosol spraying of the skies as a scam to combat global warming go to GEOENGINEERINGWATCH.ORG. The gov is spraying aerosols containing nano particles of aluminum and barium and strontium and I have seen this going on in the area where I live for going on 30 years in the sky here and all over America and Europe and other areas of the earth.
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  • @jacques sheete

    The USA mistake of WWI was ...
     
    Getting involved in it.

    Minding our own business was never a strong suit of our ruling classes, but it would have saved the world a lot of grief. However, it would have shaved the profits of the bankers and other war profiteers.


    The "war for profit group" seem to labor under the impression that it is their war, and that it shall be their material gain. That group, surely is the cause of wars…

    -Charles A. Lindbergh, Why is your country at war and what happens to you after the war, and related subjects" p77, (1917)

    https://archive.org/stream/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog_djvu.txt

     

    Excellent book,by the way. Short and to the point. Has some really annoying errors, but overall well worth a read.

    Excellent book,by the way. Short and to the point. Has some really annoying errors, but overall well worth a read.

    Are you referring to errors by the author, or printing errors due to the format? If the latter, you can read the book in its original format here:

    https://archive.org/stream/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog#page/n85/mode/2up

    (for others who may not be aware, the author is not Lindbergh the pilot, but his father the Congresssman).

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  • @The Anti-Gnostic

    Americans today have little idea “why we fight” other than a vague sense of fighting them over there (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Niger, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, etc.) so they won’t kill us here, to cite George W. Bush’s rationale for launching the war on terror.
     
    George W. was right: we invade the world because we invite the world.

    Historically, the military's purpose was to defend the cultural and territorial integrity of the nation-state. The US military has no such purpose, and so is deployed to defend secular democracy, a universalist gospel, and hence requiring a global military footprint.

    “Footprints in the sand” maybe you have red it.
    Global military footprints are not in the sand. They are in quicksand.

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  • @Twodees Partain
    This particular Tomtard at least didn't break down sobbing over the disastrous CLIMATE CHANGE destruction that his grandkids will face like Tom the Leftard himself does, but he's as tedious as the rest.

    Remember that leftards can never be allies, because no matter which of your pet peeves they pretend to share, they are still leftards which makes them treacherous. A leftard will stab you in the back if you're foolish enough to let him get behind you.

    The global warming scam and chemtrails are explained on Geoengineeringwatch.org.

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    > chemtrails

    Does this meme still run? I thought it died when the X-Files petered out, back in the 90s?

    Mental poisoning with non-existing stuff.

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  • Americans are no longer allowed to see the reality of war, as some old movies showed. From my blog:

    Jun 8, 2017 – Patriotic Nonsense

    Do you become angry when you hear nonsense that our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan are fighting for our freedoms? Do you become enraged when the death of soldiers is explained by claiming they protected us? This is nothing new, as shown in this short movie clip with Korean War vet James Garner. Most blame the Generals and politicians, but he also blames the people back home for glorifying wars, thus allowing the deadly ruse to continue. He stated: “It is always the war widows who lead the Memorial Day parade” as though their husbands died by accident.

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  • @Wally
    Once again, "that shitty little country" of Israel and it's Jews First supporters, are conspicuously unmentioned.

    www.codoh.com

    Exactly, they are behind much that ails America, yet rarely mentioned…

    Wall Street works to lines it’s Zionist pockets while giving nothing back.

    Hollywood injects filth and anti American (see: white Christian) propaganda, as does the music industry.
    You think rap music would be as violent and popular is the Jews were not pushing it they way they so. You only work in the industry if you make anti American crap. Ever hear of an anti war, or anti wall street song making the top 100 in recent memory.

    Well fare, fair housing act, education…and on and on are all controlled by Zionist Jews who push for open borders and mass migration into America, while prizing their “pure” nation of Israel.

    The examples are endless, the push for interracial marriages in America, while it is illegal in Israel.

    GREAT VIDEO:

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  • This particular Tomtard at least didn’t break down sobbing over the disastrous CLIMATE CHANGE destruction that his grandkids will face like Tom the Leftard himself does, but he’s as tedious as the rest.

    Remember that leftards can never be allies, because no matter which of your pet peeves they pretend to share, they are still leftards which makes them treacherous. A leftard will stab you in the back if you’re foolish enough to let him get behind you.

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    The global warming scam and chemtrails are explained on Geoengineeringwatch.org.
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  • Americans today have little idea “why we fight” other than a vague sense of fighting them over there (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Niger, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, etc.) so they won’t kill us here, to cite George W. Bush’s rationale for launching the war on terror.

    George W. was right: we invade the world because we invite the world.

    Historically, the military’s purpose was to defend the cultural and territorial integrity of the nation-state. The US military has no such purpose, and so is deployed to defend secular democracy, a universalist gospel, and hence requiring a global military footprint.

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    "Footprints in the sand" maybe you have red it.
    Global military footprints are not in the sand. They are in quicksand.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    More propaganda from the CIA’s official fake anti-war and pro-military Tom’s Dispatch. The Government goes to war no matter what Americans do, that’s the first give away you live in a military dictatorship where every American city, town, suburb has some element of militarism staring the sheep right in the face but they can’t even see it.

    War consists of controlled demolitions and forced migrations agreed upon by the governments involved. Some of the smarter slaves can probably see that there is a real sort of war going on right now in the US regardless of the fake reality people like Astore will try to paint for you. He learned how to bomb people to death from airplanes before he started taking aim at hearts n’ minds to destroy any real anti-war threat.

    The American slaves will soon be watching movies to “learn” about the wonderfulness of war and killing and how American soldiers kill with love in their hearts because Trump puppet is in office.

    This means the fake war resistance needs to put in a double-plus good antiwar effort the way they did when Putsch destroyed Iraq to prevent any actual resistance. Code Pink is just one of the most important weapons. I bet you’re really confused now.

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  • @jilles dykstra
    The USA mistake of WWI was spilling much USA blood, the USA never ratified Versailles, FDR had great difficulty with the neutrality laws.
    As FDR's friend Sol Bloom writes in his autobiography 'the great accomplishment of FDR was in preparing the USA people slowly for war'.
    WWII was won by Russian blood and USA industrial production.
    Stalin's reward for Russian blood was E Europe, including Poland.

    The Pacific War was a great problem, despite the casualty rates, Okinawa something like 7000 USA lives against 140.000 Japanese.
    The USA dropped the unconditional surrender demand for fear of a bloody war on the Japanese mainland, the fanatical Japanese military were prepared to sacrifice 20 million Japanese lives, if the Okinawa ratio is applied this would have meant nearly a million USA deaths.

    The problem with the USA's wars is that bombing costs very few USA lives, occupation, on the other hand, is relatively costly in USA blood.
    Therefore it is tried to create regimes friendly to the USA, that use local forces for the occupation.
    The policy is a difficult one, as a USA general stated before a Senate investigation 'sometimes one trains and arms the wrong group'.
    And thus Syria became a mess, as in fact Iraq and Libia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria .

    In the battle of Manchuria ( China ) , August 1945 , or ” August Storm ” , the Russians defeated the imperial japanese army , the road to Japan was open for the Red Army and the chinese . Then the yankees threw the atomic bombs to Japan to threaten the Russians ( who still did not have the atomic bomb at the time ) to not to invade Japan .

    Japan was completeley defeated , there was not any military need to throw atomic bombs on Japan . The Americans have a sad record for bombing unarmed civilians : Corea , Vietnam , Germany , Irak, Afganistan , Libia , Siria , Japan , etc…..

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    Please. The U.S. did not bomb civilians, armed or unarmed, in Vietnam. Where do you get this garbage?
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  • @jacques sheete

    The USA mistake of WWI was ...
     
    Getting involved in it.

    Minding our own business was never a strong suit of our ruling classes, but it would have saved the world a lot of grief. However, it would have shaved the profits of the bankers and other war profiteers.


    The "war for profit group" seem to labor under the impression that it is their war, and that it shall be their material gain. That group, surely is the cause of wars…

    -Charles A. Lindbergh, Why is your country at war and what happens to you after the war, and related subjects" p77, (1917)

    https://archive.org/stream/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog_djvu.txt

     

    Excellent book,by the way. Short and to the point. Has some really annoying errors, but overall well worth a read.

    The USA economy in 1914 was in very bad shape.
    The war was great for prosperity, there was one little problem, GB and France had no money.
    So JP Morgan gave them credit.
    But again a small problem, the German U boat war was so successful that GB would have had to capitulate in November 1917.
    In order to make Germany pay the USA could not allow a GB capitulation, therefore it had to interfere militarily.
    Germany never paid, but that is another subject.

    Donald McCormick, ‘The mask of Merlin, A Critical Study of David Lloyd George’, London, 1963
    The only book that clearly states the imminent capitulation.

    Charles Callan Tansill, ‘Amerika geht in den Krieg’, Stuttgart 1939 (America goes to War, 1938)
    A great book on how the USA manoevred itself into WWI.

    Senator Nye in 1938 began the Senate investigation into why the USA waged war in 1917, alas Pearl Harbour made him realise the investigation had become pointless.
    Yet, as Harold L Ickes decribes in his published diaries, he had already found out that the Balfour Declaration was the price Britain had to pay for being saved.

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  • @Jim Christian
    It's all just a money transfer. Ya have to be in the thick of things around DC, the Pentagon, the likes of Lockheed, the spooks at NSA, certain aspects of Federal Law Enforcement, the whole Alphabet Soup. The dough is a-flowing and they're up to their hand-sewn collars in it. Their mansions, their 5 BMWs or whatever, the Rolexes, the vacations, beautiful women at home AND on the road. They intend to hand it all over to their children as their fathers handed it over to them. They are NOT giving this up. Ever.

    Get in the way, Mr. Senator or Congressman or President? Here's what we have on YOU sir, usually a girlfriend or some depravity, they're politicians after all. End of the day, these are the people that get richer every day by killing people. They're very good at it. Even in Britain, the UK, even Russians aren't safe in the quest to keep it all going. Get in the way of the cabal and their income streams in any way, they can disappear you and blame it on Putin. These are the people that kill people. Remember that, you'll be well-served.

    Your inclusion of Lockheed – the private, non-governmental sector – makes your description of Deep State agreeable. Great point – they are ruthless.

    Kevin Shipp gives a more detailed analysis. In more recent (longer) talks, he does include Israel Lobby, but this is long enough. ;)

    CIA Agent Whistleblower Risks All To Expose The Shadow Government

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    SAIC, Booze Allen (Snowden was from there, or maybe Ernst & Young), Boeing, they're all boarded 80%-plus with Jews, they own Congress, there's no getting rid of any of them. But in the end, their hubris and greed will destroy us all. I don't see what the check on the power of the MIC could possibly be. They don't even have to go to Congress for authority, a vote, for the violence they drive in our names, their children don't serve in the military. For them, it's all a lovely gravy.
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  • @Greg Bacon
    It's another glorious day in the Fatherland, Comrade, as GOYS and girls line up to fight and die in the Pentagon's Army for Israel!

    We should be proud to fight and die for the glory of Apartheid Israel, while watching our nation fall to pieces, since the needed money for infrastructure is being spent on protecting Israel!


    From an April 2003 Haaretz article.

    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it's possible.

    This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110
     

    This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert

    Similar things could be said about the World Wars.

    In fact, many did, including Anthony Sutton.

    https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Febook3000.com%2Fupimg%2Fallimg%2F160911%2F0814530.jpg&f=1

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  • The USA mistake of WWI was …

    Getting involved in it.

    Minding our own business was never a strong suit of our ruling classes, but it would have saved the world a lot of grief. However, it would have shaved the profits of the bankers and other war profiteers.

    The “war for profit group” seem to labor under the impression that it is their war, and that it shall be their material gain. That group, surely is the cause of wars…

    -Charles A. Lindbergh, Why is your country at war and what happens to you after the war, and related subjects” p77, (1917)

    https://archive.org/stream/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog_djvu.txt

    Excellent book,by the way. Short and to the point. Has some really annoying errors, but overall well worth a read.

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    The USA economy in 1914 was in very bad shape.
    The war was great for prosperity, there was one little problem, GB and France had no money.
    So JP Morgan gave them credit.
    But again a small problem, the German U boat war was so successful that GB would have had to capitulate in November 1917.
    In order to make Germany pay the USA could not allow a GB capitulation, therefore it had to interfere militarily.
    Germany never paid, but that is another subject.

    Donald McCormick, ‘The mask of Merlin, A Critical Study of David Lloyd George’, London, 1963
    The only book that clearly states the imminent capitulation.

    Charles Callan Tansill, 'Amerika geht in den Krieg', Stuttgart 1939 (America goes to War, 1938)
    A great book on how the USA manoevred itself into WWI.

    Senator Nye in 1938 began the Senate investigation into why the USA waged war in 1917, alas Pearl Harbour made him realise the investigation had become pointless.
    Yet, as Harold L Ickes decribes in his published diaries, he had already found out that the Balfour Declaration was the price Britain had to pay for being saved.
    , @for-the-record
    Excellent book,by the way. Short and to the point. Has some really annoying errors, but overall well worth a read.

    Are you referring to errors by the author, or printing errors due to the format? If the latter, you can read the book in its original format here:

    https://archive.org/stream/whyisyourcountr00lindgoog#page/n85/mode/2up

    (for others who may not be aware, the author is not Lindbergh the pilot, but his father the Congresssman).
    , @Ace
    America's entry into WWI was the Jewish gift to Britain for Britain's gift of Palestine to them. Britain happened not to own Palestine at the time but hey.
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  • TG says:

    Indeed, well said.

    But: there IS sacrifice. All those trillions of dollars wasted on pointless winless foreign wars are coming out of the standard of living of the United States, one way or the other. It’s just indirect and hard to trace.

    One is reminded that Donald Trump, during his presidential campaign, suggested that we stop wasting all these trillions on stupid wars, and spend it on ourselves. For this he was excoriated as “literally Hitler.” A lot of Americans voted for him because, propaganda aside, they are not stupid and they don’t want this phony war nonsense. After the election, though, he finally caved, and now it’s back to business as usual. The elites really like their war profits and they will not shy away from playing dirty to keep them. That’s why these phony wars continue.

    Remember: IN THE LAST ELECTION THE AMERICAN PEOPLE VOTED AGAINST PHONY WARS. It’s just that we don’t live in a Democracy.

    But there is an alternate view. One is reminded that the terrorist attacks of 9/11 were only possible because the immigration policy of the United States is increasingly open to people from unstable nations full of extremists. That attack could not have happened a decade or so earlier.

    Even if the United States had the most benevolent foreign policy imaginable, it’s a big messy world. There will always be people who hate the United States, for whatever reason. In the past these people would just stew in their own misery and kill each other. Now they can come here no questions asked. Now every extremist group in Tyrannia or Fanatistan is our concern, and we need to break up any potentially hostile organized faction anywhere in the world. So maybe – maybe – these stupid wars aren’t that stupid after all. Maybe these phony wars is just one more price for “there shall be open borders.”

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    Barring any "real" internal conspiracy (as anything is possible), had immigration done the bare minimum of enforcing its mandate, 9/11 probably would have been prevented.

    Most of not all would never have been permitted in the country - no fly lists..
    They would have been picked in the US for having overstayed their VISA.


    I think that is an astute observation.
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  • I am not absolutely certain but it seems to me that glows are coming off in the fight between Trump and anti Trump forces.

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  • The U.S. government is the exact copy of Orwells 1984 where the wars are continual and where we are Oceania perpetually at war and the people are mind controlled by a big brother style gov that spies on everything we do and say via telescreens and our history is constantly rewritten by a controlled MSM and the skies are always cloudy via CHEMTRAILS and life is controlled by the state.

    What we have here is a Zionist controlled Zionist NWO on its way to becoming a Zionist ONE WORLD GOV. and by the way the Zionists did 911 and got away with it and did it in our face to tell us that we are truly goyim ie cattle to them and as we all know cattle in the end get slaughtered.

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    • Replies: @Iberiano
    What is also interesting, like 1984, is how easily the MSM can change American "memory" with various cultural cues and bandwagoning.

    Remember, among his many well practiced and rehearsed lines, in anticipation of Romney saying it, or something like it, Obama was ready with the cool-kids "hello, the 1980s are calling and they want their foreign policy back" quip....this after Romney said Russia was the greatest danger at one of their presidential debates. Not that Romney was correct--that's irrelevant to make the point.

    It would seem, if you polled th0se same SJWs and Dems/libs, progs who supported Obama, 10 years ago, they would have agreed that (allegedly) meddling in the US Election would be kinda a big deal--especially if it were to take down their 'girl' (imagine if Romney had posited Russia might do such a thing in upcoming elections). Not that I or anyone with a sane mind believes Russia actually meddled, at least for Trump...but just a decade ago, it was snicker-worthy of the so-called Intelligentsia of the Left to mock anyone that claimed Russia wasn't going away soon and was still a world power that was dangerous. Now all the sudden, that mockery is memory-holed and the Left "knew all along" the Russians were bad.

    But then, 30 years earlier, the Left thought the Russians were good, because they were still communist.
    It truly is hard to keep up with what Big Brother is demanding Normies think.

    The narrative can be changed back and forth, over and over, and normies will roll with it, even if they don't agree with it, there's so much "We've always been at war with" stuff, that they are immune to obvious political contradictions over a continuum of (short) time.

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  • Israel’s Bogus Bullshit Wars

    Who Done It?
    9-11, Zionist Trust Fund Kids Did It!

    source: https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

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  • It’s another glorious day in the Fatherland, Comrade, as GOYS and girls line up to fight and die in the Pentagon’s Army for Israel!

    We should be proud to fight and die for the glory of Apartheid Israel, while watching our nation fall to pieces, since the needed money for infrastructure is being spent on protecting Israel!

    From an April 2003 Haaretz article.

    The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it’s possible.

    This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and a half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110

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    This is a war of an elite. [Tom] Friedman laughs: I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office) who, if you had exiled them to a desert
     
    Similar things could be said about the World Wars.

    In fact, many did, including Anthony Sutton.

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  • It’s all just a money transfer. Ya have to be in the thick of things around DC, the Pentagon, the likes of Lockheed, the spooks at NSA, certain aspects of Federal Law Enforcement, the whole Alphabet Soup. The dough is a-flowing and they’re up to their hand-sewn collars in it. Their mansions, their 5 BMWs or whatever, the Rolexes, the vacations, beautiful women at home AND on the road. They intend to hand it all over to their children as their fathers handed it over to them. They are NOT giving this up. Ever.

    Get in the way, Mr. Senator or Congressman or President? Here’s what we have on YOU sir, usually a girlfriend or some depravity, they’re politicians after all. End of the day, these are the people that get richer every day by killing people. They’re very good at it. Even in Britain, the UK, even Russians aren’t safe in the quest to keep it all going. Get in the way of the cabal and their income streams in any way, they can disappear you and blame it on Putin. These are the people that kill people. Remember that, you’ll be well-served.

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    Your inclusion of Lockheed - the private, non-governmental sector - makes your description of Deep State agreeable. Great point - they are ruthless.

    Kevin Shipp gives a more detailed analysis. In more recent (longer) talks, he does include Israel Lobby, but this is long enough. ;)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHbrOg092GA
    CIA Agent Whistleblower Risks All To Expose The Shadow Government
    , @densa
    Back when Reagan was doing his impersonation of POTUS, the defense deficit was some measly amount and the cry went out to privatize defense because the free market could do it for less. Pretty funny in retrospect.

    They also fixed our inefficient corporations and markets, then went on to fix housing, inequality and end poverty. As if that wasn't enough, they also fixed healthcare and banking. I'm surprised we're still afloat. I expect a Wiley Coyote moment soon.
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  • The USA mistake of WWI was spilling much USA blood, the USA never ratified Versailles, FDR had great difficulty with the neutrality laws.
    As FDR’s friend Sol Bloom writes in his autobiography ‘the great accomplishment of FDR was in preparing the USA people slowly for war’.
    WWII was won by Russian blood and USA industrial production.
    Stalin’s reward for Russian blood was E Europe, including Poland.

    The Pacific War was a great problem, despite the casualty rates, Okinawa something like 7000 USA lives against 140.000 Japanese.
    The USA dropped the unconditional surrender demand for fear of a bloody war on the Japanese mainland, the fanatical Japanese military were prepared to sacrifice 20 million Japanese lives, if the Okinawa ratio is applied this would have meant nearly a million USA deaths.

    The problem with the USA’s wars is that bombing costs very few USA lives, occupation, on the other hand, is relatively costly in USA blood.
    Therefore it is tried to create regimes friendly to the USA, that use local forces for the occupation.
    The policy is a difficult one, as a USA general stated before a Senate investigation ‘sometimes one trains and arms the wrong group’.
    And thus Syria became a mess, as in fact Iraq and Libia.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Manchuria .

    In the battle of Manchuria ( China ) , August 1945 , or " August Storm " , the Russians defeated the imperial japanese army , the road to Japan was open for the Red Army and the chinese . Then the yankees threw the atomic bombs to Japan to threaten the Russians ( who still did not have the atomic bomb at the time ) to not to invade Japan .

    Japan was completeley defeated , there was not any military need to throw atomic bombs on Japan . The Americans have a sad record for bombing unarmed civilians : Corea , Vietnam , Germany , Irak, Afganistan , Libia , Siria , Japan , etc.....
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  • Started reading, got this far,

    These versions of the German blitzkrieg-style attacks of World War, bla bla bla…

    That was a real eye roller, so began skimming.
    Noticed the boilerplate,

    Prussian war theorist Carl von Clausewitz, yap yap yap…

    Tossed in as “confirmation” of expertise and profound insight, or sumpin, and stumbled on this gem of hysterical drama queen hyperbole,

    By its very nature, a real war of necessity, of survival, like the Civil War or World War II By its very nature, a real war of necessity, of survival, like the Civil War or World War II …

    Necessity? Survival? Horseshit. I’m not into self flagellation, so I give up.

    Another phony journalism class drop out I bet. Where do they dig up these scribblers?
    Arrrrrgggghhh!

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  • Once again, “that shitty little country” of Israel and it’s Jews First supporters, are conspicuously unmentioned.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    Exactly, they are behind much that ails America, yet rarely mentioned...

    Wall Street works to lines it's Zionist pockets while giving nothing back.

    Hollywood injects filth and anti American (see: white Christian) propaganda, as does the music industry.
    You think rap music would be as violent and popular is the Jews were not pushing it they way they so. You only work in the industry if you make anti American crap. Ever hear of an anti war, or anti wall street song making the top 100 in recent memory.

    Well fare, fair housing act, education...and on and on are all controlled by Zionist Jews who push for open borders and mass migration into America, while prizing their "pure" nation of Israel.

    The examples are endless, the push for interracial marriages in America, while it is illegal in Israel.

    GREAT VIDEO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy3ZtJT0WyU
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  • All this faux dissident TomDispatch left gatekeeper stuff is so utterly worthless.

    They always make sure to push whatever phony narratives, like that we was a “war of necessity” for the U.S. And then this phony “blowback” construct, which exists in order to avoid the whole question of these being synthetic events.

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  • Article is nice sensible lukewarm and gentlemanly
    I am only puzzled that obviously the lieutenant colonel never read or actually never heard about PNAC. And that is actually shocking, Because as a Professor of history that should be the first item which he should teach his pupils.

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  • ”It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory with stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country, and invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener.

    It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety’s sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

    Sunday morning came — next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their young faces alight with martial dreams — visions of the stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender!

    Then home from the war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag, or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation:

    God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest,
    Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!

    Then came the “long” prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was, that an ever-merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers, and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in the day of battle and the hour of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory —

    An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher’s side and stood there waiting. With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal, “Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord and God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!”

    The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside — which the startled minister did — and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes, in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:

    “I come from the Throne — bearing a message from Almighty God!” The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. “He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd, and will grant it if such be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import — that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of — except he pause and think. “God’s servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two — one uttered, and the other not. Both have reached the ear of Him who heareth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this — keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon your neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain on your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse on some neighbor’s crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.

    “You have heard your servant’s prayer — the uttered part of it. I am commissioned by God to put into words the other part of it — that part which the pastor — and also you in your hearts — fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard the words ‘Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!’ That is sufficient. The whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory — must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

    “Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth into battle — be Thou near them! With them — in spirit — we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended in the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it —

    For our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimmage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!

    We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.
    (After a pause.) “Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits.”

    It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said

    The War Prayer

    by Mark Twain

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  • anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I’m not sure why the US’s actions overseas are called “wars”. They’re attacks upon weak 3rd and 4th world countries with little capability to resist. The US has never fought a peer enemy despite all it’s self-promotion. It moved in on the Germans at the last moment after they were already on the ropes, despite all the WWII movie hype. All other enemies have been carefully chosen for their vulnerability. But who actually wants a “real” war? Only an insane person wants that. These phony wars serve as an income transfer scheme siphoning tax money upward from the masses to the upper classes. Funny how that works. An actual war with a country that can defend itself and inflict real damage might have the effect of upsetting this racket they have going and they don’t want that. Of course the money spent for Afghanistan could be better put to use domestically for roads, medical research and other ways of spending our money on ourselves but apparently that’s not in the cards. What’s important is to keep the hysteria going so as to maintain the .1% in the style to which they’re entitled. The people getting killed are the expendables and of no importance.

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  • @The Alarmist
    IOW, global terrorism is less of an existential threat to the American way of life and traditional values than the American response to global terrorism.

    And both are less of an existential threat to the American way of life than the antics of Congress.

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  • I am in SHOCK!

    This is the first article I’ve ever read by a TomDispatch regular that made a lick of sense.

    But it’s better than that: it makes sense of the entire thing going on in the US just now and since 9/11.

    No skin in the game.

    I have a feeling–a premonition–though that that is about to change.

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  • IOW, global terrorism is less of an existential threat to the American way of life and traditional values than the American response to global terrorism.

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    And both are less of an existential threat to the American way of life than the antics of Congress.
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  • Jump into your time machine and let me transport you back to another age. It’s May 2001 and the Atlantic Monthly has just arrived in the mail. I’m tantalized by the cover article. “Russia is finished,” the magazine announces. The subtitle minces no words: “The unstoppable descent into social catastrophe and strategic irrelevance.” Could it...
  • I wasn’t allowed to take notes during that briefing, but I remember the impression I was left with: that the USSR was deeply authoritarian, a grim surveillance state with an economy dependent on global weapons sales; that it was intent on nuclear domination; that it was imperialist and expansionist; that it persecuted its critics and dissidents; and that it had serious internal problems carefully suppressed in the cause of world mastery, including rampant alcohol and drug abuse, bad health care and declining longevity (notably for men), a poisoned environment, and an extensive prison system featuring gulags.

    Wow. Superb brainswashing in the guise of “revelation of the hiddent truths for the chosen one”. Excellent gnostic-like shyte!

    The thing is – most of it is a lie and a projection from the US of its fears and flaws on the “Evil Double” in the mirror. Time only showed that to be true.

    Going point-by-point:

    1. An authoritarian, surveillance state

    USSR was not a “surveliance state”. There was no need for that. The fact, admitted by the author of the article, that the USA were on the authoritarian road since – at least – post WW2 if worthy examination of the obvious.

    2. An economy dependent on global weapons sales:
    USSR economy did not depend on weapon sales. USA’s dollar, on the other hand, depends on the force of the American bayonets to still be considered something other than a fancy banknote from the “Monopoly”.

    3. Bent on nuclear domination
    USSR was not bent on nuclear domination. USA with its anti-missile shield in Europe originally put up as defense against, ha-ha, Iran, OTOH, is.

    Much like an old-guard Soviet premier, Trump has boasted that America will always remain at “the top of the pack” when it comes to nuclear weapons.

    May I ask what “old-guard Soviet premier” ever boasted that?

    4. Imperialist and expansionist
    USSR post 1945 was non-expansionist. USSR was not an empire and did not utilize the imperialism – i.e. the pillaging of colonies. On the contrary – the Center subsidized various states or the peripheries.

    USA became classic, as defined by Marx, empire, officially – in 1898, but de-facto – long time before that, and never looked back.

    5. Persecutes critics and dissidents
    Every county does that – the West is more hypocritical though. There, you sugar coat it in the way of “free speech” combined with “anti-hate speech laws” and the simple fact that in the capitalist societies the Invisible Hand of Market has more ways to… fist you… lest you try to be a truly dissenting element and criticize the policy of the Powers That Be (go ahead and try to point out, thanks to whom the rape rate in Sweden skyrocketed) too boldly.

    That’s fine. That’s the usual thing. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

    In the Soviet Union, political opponents were often threatened with jail or worse, and those threats were regularly enforced by men wearing military or secret police uniforms.

    Soviet Union had no such thing as the “secret police”. When will the people learn that. The only time military could do what you are writing about would be SMERSH in the times of the Great Patriotic War. Which was absolutely okay in my book.

    6. Internal problems like drug abuse, inadequate health care, and a poisoned environment
    Drug abuse became endemic only in the “blessed” time of Perestroika by the West’s darling Gorby – not before. Health care was average – but it was widespread and free. Not enough to allow you a sex reassignment surgery, if that’s your ideal of the medical “high”. The trope of “poisoned environment” in the USSR is overused and exaggerated.

    Drug abuse is literally centuries old problem of the US, to which the country officially lost its War and now caves in by legalizing first soft drugs. The less is said about the state of the American healthcare through the ages (and the price tag attached) the better. As for the poisoned environment – look at small cities everywhere totally dependant on one bread-winning factory, be it ammo-producing and chemical plant. They are, ah, content. And it is not me who mentioned Flint, oh no…

    7. Extensive prison systems
    For the record – during the highest point of the Great Purge of 1937-38 there were less prisoners in the USSR than there in the USA now… and decades before. USSR had no “black sites” and did not hypocritically used the “foreign soil” loophole like in case of Gitmo.

    8. Stalemated wars
    USSR fought less wars than the USA in the same time period – fact. Soviet losses in Afghanistan were lower than American in Vietnam – another fact. Afghanistan was the only “stalemate” for the USSR military. In the same 1980s Soviet Union won in Angola. So no “wars” as in plural here.

    Slowly, seemingly inexorably, the U.S. is becoming more like the former Soviet Union.
    No, its not. You are not seeing essence beyond the form – which is a shame and the legacy of the collective West still beholden en masse to the religious teachings of the positivism. To be truly like the USSR the US must do at least some things from this list:

    - Deal away with the capitalist system (d’uh!)
    - Ensure the right to the housing (for free!) to every citizen.
    - Adopt free universal medicine.
    - Adopt free universal education – including Higher education of the best quality in the world.
    - Guarantee every single citizen work and basic income to live by.
    - Make central heating provided by the state utility operators cost mere cents.
    - Make a system of cheap and all-penetrating transpiration, easily available (even tickets to the planes) for the ordinary people.
    - Yearly paid vocation at work.
    - You can go unarmed at night on your city streets without fear to be killed or robbed – any streets in any part of the city.

    Do that, dear USA, and then you can start all your wailing and gnashing of teeth about “becoming USSR-like”.

    I’m worried, comrade! Echoing the cry of the great Lenin, what is to be done?

    That was the cry (and an eponymous novel) by a slightly less great Chenyshevky, whose works the great Lenin absolutely loved to read and reference.

    Your plan won’t work, because only raw military power of the Murika keeps the dollar afloat. Also – the vast majority of the populace is infected by the jingoism and “rolling back”, “betraying allies” (like, you know, such stal-warts as Saudi Arabia, Israel and the Ukraine) is like loosing – and no red Blooded American likes to loose.

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  • Nice twist, sure, but rather superficial. The USSR was a socialist (in the marxist sense) country, where the uncompromising rejection of all market mechanisms, in the industrial age, led to its demise. The US is a global capitalist (neoliberal) empire. The symptoms might look somewhat similar, but the underlying contradictions and ways of resolving or alleviating them are completely different.

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  • None of Bill’s “Five Year Plan” ten steps are going to be deployed.

    Politically, reducing the military footprint in the economy is impossible because of the economic hardship it would cause in a country in which the business of war has an outsized economic role. The President was elected largely due to economic angst. Increasing unemployment would be the fallout from both a smaller military and fewer war munitions sales. Imperiling the enormous windfall war profits of elite merchants of death is an impossibility in a Deep State used to pulling Presidential puppet strings.

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  • What does an “America-first” foreign policy look like under President Donald Trump? As a start, forget the ancient label of “isolationism.” With the end of Trump’s first 100 days approaching, it looks more like a military-first policy aimed at achieving global hegemony, which means it’s a potential doomsday machine. Candidate Trump vowed he’d make the...
  • […] What Does an ‘America First’ Foreign Policy Actually Mean? by William J. Astore for TomDispatch. […]

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  • Or, to put the matter another way, consider this question: Is North Korea’s Kim Jong-un the only unstable leader with unhinged nuclear ambitions currently at work on the world stage today

    ?

    Mad in the USA
    There is a madness about us; we are as a people, unhinged. For decades we have been doing the same vile and stupid things to other peoples and we forever expect different outcome. Proof of national insanity could not be clearer. The roots of this malaise are deep and strong and of long standing.see https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2017/04/16/mad-in-the-usa/

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  • US balance sheet makes military buildup all but impossible. In fact, the exact opposite will be happening – gradual weakening of US military across the board. There will be no 355 ships, the airplanes and choppers will be falling out of the skies with increasing frequency, and continuing latinization/africanization of the armed forces will render them incapable of scaring anyone.
    Trump will be humiliated constantly.

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  • America’s war in Afghanistan is now in its 16th year, the longest foreign war in our history. The phrase “no end in sight” barely covers the situation. Prospects of victory -- if victory is defined as eliminating that country as a haven for Islamist terrorists while creating a representative government in Kabul -- are arguably...
  • I did deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan. I was not a twenty-star general nor did I possess a political science Phd. I was a junior NCO. However, through life experience, reading history, knowing human nature, and again my observations of the indigenous peoples/cultures, I realized something that is not a blinding revelation. Simply put, sovereign foreign countries/peoples/cultures do not want nor appreciate a foreign invader entering their countries and disrupting their lives regardless of the invading country’s good intentions. We American’s have been so blinded by having been taught/indoctrinated with egalitarianism combined with a belief that everyone everywhere wants to be America or an American that we fail to realize that this is a fallacy. I believe that most people might want our material goodies, gidgets, and gadgets, but they do not want, nor understand, nor are they even biologically (DNA/genetics) or cognitively (insufficient I.Q.) capable of establishing and maintaining a democratic republic like ours. Their country’s and culture’s histories are too shallow and lacking. These foreign peoples are tribal, and their tribal histories and conflicts go back generations and centuries. We are utterly ignorant of their tribal and ethnic mores, languages, idioms, and subtleties. I liken our efforts in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Viet Nam to our efforts to control the negro ghettos in the U.S. If we can not control those spaces and teach and train those people to be civilized Americans, then we have no hope in foreign countries. Then again, our fore-fathers told us to avoid foreign adventures when they formed our republic. We should have heeded them.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    There’s no reason to be in Afghanistan. 9-11 was blamed on bin Laden so to placate the public they had to be seen as going after him. He left the country early on yet we’re still there years later. What is it that we want from Afghanistan? Everyone that’s died there did so for no reason whatsoever except for the stupidity and blundering of incoherent politicians. How many more trillions and wasted lives do we have to go before this colossal mistake can be put behind us?

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  • Wikipedia has an entry:
    “Military Expenditures by Country” where you can see how much the US spends to ‘keep us safe’

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by…

    We owe 19 trillion dollars yet we spend more than the next 8 countries combined.
    Yeah there are a lot of jobs connected with this activity and to stop it cold would cause a recession but do we really need to spend that much? Why is our middle class taxed to keep the sea lanes safe to transport the very goods, from other countries, that causes that very same middle class to lose their job to offshoring?

    There was a TV series on Netflix titled “Occupied” where the Russians worm their way into Norway and ‘horrors of horrors’ occupy the country, over energy issues. We are appalled at this Russian dismissing of Norway’s sovereignty.
    But how about the 36,000 American troops we maintain on German soil 73 years after the end of World War II? Is it time to give the Germans back some precious sovereignty? Does anyone really think the Germans are making international decisions without regard to the presence of 36,000 US soldiers on their soil.
    What about the 50,000 troops on Japanese soil?
    I voted for Trump(and I think a lot of South Carolinians did also) because he sounded like he was not going to ‘nation build’ or ‘project power’ with yet another deployment for a tired Army.
    We might have been astride the world as a mighty Colossus in 1945 with Europe and Asia in ruins but now we owe 19 trillion. Also now we are only 20% of the world’s GDP(as opposed to 50% in 1945) and Americans are sick of 1984-type endless wars.

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  • As the world’s sole and exceptional hyperpower, we surely have the means, resources and will to stay the course for as long as it takes, for we are fighting for the betterment of mankind and the security of the Homeland.

    Now, what channel is The Voice on? Does Dominoes take SNAP cards?

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  • America has won no war since 1945 that lasted longer than one battle.

    This calls for reflection and analysis. It doesn’t call for the brainless despatching of more troops to support a lost cause. If people had wanted that they would have voted for Hellary.

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  • I came of age during America's Cold War with the Soviet Union, witnessing its denouement while serving in the U.S. military. In those days, the USSR led the world's weapons trade, providing arms to the Warsaw Pact (the military alliance it dominated) as well as to client states like Cuba, Egypt, and Syria. The United...
  • First of all, the theory that Trump was mocking a disabled reporter has already been debunked many times. Secondly, Superman was an illegal alien who came to Earth with super powers to steal our women (Lois Lane) and take over the North Pole. He is a danger to all freedom loving people. Batman, on the other hand, is one of us. A rich Earth-man who could’ve spent all his days safely behind his own personal wall, but instead, goes into the street and protects the common people from murderous thugs. If Trump really is Batman, we’re lucky to have him.

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  • From P-51 s to the banana republics, “Everything We Had,” to ARVN, F-14 fighters to Iran, everything we have donated to Israel, and the Saudis, along with Abrams tanks to the Egyptians, what better way to justify the need to fund new weapons that can defeat the ones we gave to people who enjoy murdering their next door neighbors. We are too stupid to know that we are stupid and need to study science and history instead of the entertainment business.

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  • Oh come on, he’s done that routine many times besides the supposed mocking of the reporter

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  • If Trump is Batman, then who’s the Joker?

    I’m afraid that Mr. Astore is too much into adolescent comic book fantasizing the apocalyptic, much like too many of the dumbed down who now make comic book films our most popular, with everything seen in overwrought manichean terms.

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  • “I ask myself how America today could have become such a land of weapons and warriors, guns and gun exports, prisons and fear.”

    Let me ask you, Mr. Astore, when someone told you, “Thank you for your service” and they didn’t even know what you did, how did you respond to that? Did you correct them? My guess is no. When people mindfully mouth the phrase, “support the troops” without even knowing what they are supporting, do you correct them? My guess is no.

    Blind faith in militarism, and willful blindness to what military forces actually do, led to this state of affairs. Soldiers typically do not ask questions, they just follow orders. When civilians have the same mentality, that is a recipe for what we have now. That type of sentiment can always be exploited, and when it comes to military force, that means the rise of violence and the fall of morality. That is why I decided to defeat the United States Army in my underpants. Anyone can do it

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  • In those days, the USSR led the world’s weapons trade, providing arms to the Warsaw Pact (the military alliance it dominated)

    Well, of course the USSR was providing arms to the Warsaw Pact, but that wasn’t any ‘trade’. As I remember the USSR was providing a lion’s share of the Warsaw Pact’s arms without getting anything in return.

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  • America has always had a love affair with its generals. It started at the founding of the republic with George Washington and continued with (among others) Andrew Jackson, Zachary Taylor, Ulysses S. Grant, and Dwight D. Eisenhower. These military men shared something in common: they were winning generals. Washington in the Revolution; Jackson in the...
  • Will the American military be able to defeat the CIA? That’s the only real threat to our former republic.

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  • During the campaign he was scorned and denounced by liberals like you for being unpopular among the generals (I saw it in Mother Jones, just before they banned me and deleted all my comments). And now he’s denounced for working with generals. It’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t with you fellas, ain’t it?

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  • In the decades since the draft ended in 1973, a strange new military has emerged in the United States. Think of it, if you will, as a post-democratic force that prides itself on its warrior ethos rather than the old-fashionedcitizen-soldier ideal. As such, it’s a military increasingly divorced from the people, with a way of...
  • […] Source: The Unz Review: An Alternative Media Selection […]

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  • The United States is now engaged in perpetual war with victory nowhere in sight. Iraq is chaotic and scarred. So, too, is Libya. Syria barely exists. After 15 years, “progress” in Afghanistan has proven eminently reversible as efforts to rollback recent Taliban gains continue to falter. The Islamic State may be fracturing, but its various...
  • human beings have strong tribal instincts. the fullest expression of tribalism, i believe, is the military. perhaps those who volunteer for military service have a stronger need for group association. mr. astore implied as much in the above post. as well, tribal behavior is encouraged and even rewarded in the armed services.
    uniforms promote uniformity.
    but there’s something about dress up, awards of shiny trinkets for accomplishment, child-like obedience, that strikes me as juvenile. children of a certain age develop a compelling need to fit in, which often fades with maturity. i suppose the need to fit in never disappears completely. but, secure adults are willing to stand against convention – be their own man – and shun certain types of conformity that don’t fit their nature.
    i was never in the military. by the luck of the draw(just barely)in the draft lottery system, i stayed out of that god forsaken war in south east asia. i didn’t have to march back & forth like some wind-up toy for basic training; or take orders from a dumb-as-rock sarge; or undergo inspection and other methods of subjugation.
    had i joined the military, perhaps my opinions would be different.
    hard to say.

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  • @Rich
    Interesting theory, but no Military could last if dissent was allowed within its ranks. The proper thing to do is, if you're an officer, resign your commission, or if an enlisted man, go through proper channels to complain about illegal or unethical actions by your superiors. Other than that, do what Colonel Astore has chosen to do and speak out after retirement.
    As a side note, as a former enlistee, I can assure the good Colonel that we were not true believers, many joined because of lack of employment back home, some for adventure, some for money for college. I can't say I ever met a "true believer" in the enlisted ranks. Probably different among the officers.

    Not too many “true believers” in the JUNIOR enlisted ranks. E-7 and above, it’s a different story.

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  • Interesting theory, but no Military could last if dissent was allowed within its ranks. The proper thing to do is, if you’re an officer, resign your commission, or if an enlisted man, go through proper channels to complain about illegal or unethical actions by your superiors. Other than that, do what Colonel Astore has chosen to do and speak out after retirement.
    As a side note, as a former enlistee, I can assure the good Colonel that we were not true believers, many joined because of lack of employment back home, some for adventure, some for money for college. I can’t say I ever met a “true believer” in the enlisted ranks. Probably different among the officers.

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  • In the era of the long war on terror, Thursday, June 2nd, 2016, was a tough day for the U.S. military. Two modern jet fighters, a Navy F-18 Hornet and an Air Force F-16 Fighting Falcon, flown by two of America’s most capable pilots, went down, with one pilot killed. In a war that has...
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    They haven’t provided solutions. Indeed, the terror, destruction, and resentments they continue to spread are part of the problem.

    Maybe that’s a desired feature. There’s money to be made and engaging in warfare against vastly outgunned people ensures that the contracts keep rolling while their ability to hit back can’t get out of hand. Nobody cares if a bunch of anonymous nobodies get killed in places no American even knew existed.

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  • The dishonesty of words illustrates the dishonesty of America’s wars. Since 9/11, can there be any doubt that the public has become numb to theeuphemisms that regularly accompany U.S. troops, drones, and CIA operatives into Washington’s imperial conflicts across the Greater Middle East and Africa? Such euphemisms are meant to take the sting out of...
  • […] Voor elk NATO jargon-woord is wel een leugen of misdrijf te vinden en ik wil nog even meegeven dat een ander goed voorbeeld de Nederlandse en EU martelpraktijk voor Amerikanen is. Dit onderwerp is een beetje in het nieuws geweest maar de meeste Nederlanders zijn de Schiphol medewerking aan martelen en de Poolse martelkampen van een paar jaar geleden al vergeten. Deze martelvluchten op Schiphol en de vreselijke martelingen in het, de facto, fascistische Polen duurden to 2003 of 2004. Het Poolse regime heeft het onderzoek steeds uitgesteld en het zal wel nooit echt onderzocht gaan worden door de EU, we brengen liever Afrikaanse leiders naar het ICC in Den Haag, De magische woorden zijn Extraordinary Rendition (Martelvluchten) en Enhanced Interrogation (Martelen). Over de martelvluchten en onze rol is wel wat in de pers te vinden en een beetje googlen zal u de de nodige artikelen opleveren. Over de Poolse martelgevangenissen is ook het een en ander te vinden. Maar goed, het wordt u duidelijk. In het bijgaande artikel is een hele lijst en een uitgebreide verklaring van de begrippen. http://www.unz.com/article/whats-the-meaning-of-failure/ […]

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  • “Hard Decisions” – stupid/evil actions that caused widespread suffering

    “Experienced” – person who has made several “Hard Decisions”

    “Qualified” – see “Experienced”

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  • The meaning of the word is transcended by the idea what the meaning of the truth is

    “e the (former) house organ of the CIA, Time Magazine, joining the neocon cheering section behind the notion of a third party run by retired Major General James “Mad Dog” Mattis, former Commander of the US Central Command.

    In an article with the fallacious title, Why Americans Want a Military General in the White House, Time wonders: ”
    http://www.antiwar.com 4/26/16

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  • @Astuteobservor II
    to be honest, what is the point of conventional weapons for a country like china? it will never go to war with another super power like russia or usa. the only thing china needs to make sure is that their nuclear deterrent is current and deadly. which is why the usa posturing in the scs is stupid as hell for anyone with a little grey matter in their skulls. china just need enough for other non powers.

    when usa or anyone can field a working missile defense with near 100% capability, that is when we need to worry.

    Conventional weapons creates jobs. I mean just manning these systems alone keeps the PLA busy. If you think the US is having trouble employing its population….

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  • @annamaria
    An example of conditioning the public for another Enemy No 1: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-idUSKCN0XJ0DF
    "U.S. split deepens over Putin's intentions in Syria civil war"

    "The Russian reassertion of military backing has prompted some U.S. officials to warn that a failure to respond would be seen by Moscow as a fresh sign of American timidity. That, they say, could encourage Russia to escalate challenges to U.S. and allied militaries through more provocative Russian air and naval maneuvers." - Translation: it is time for the US to provide more blood and money for some special state that wants to expand on the Syrian territory.
    The info for Reuters was provided by "US officials speaking on condition of anonymity; the anonymous informers are, most likely, some dual-citizens loyal to the "night flower" of AIPAC.

    Another article by the same presstituting Reuters makes it clear why the Lobby has become so viciously hateful of the Russian federation: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-israel-idUSKCN0XJ14O?il=0
    "Russian forces in Syria fired on Israeli aircraft: Israeli newspaper"
    "In an apparent allusion to Syria, Putin said: "I think there are understandable reasons for these intensive contacts (with Israel), given the complicated situation in the region." According to Yedioth, the reported Russian fire on Israeli planes was first raised with Putin by Israeli President Reuven Rivlin, who visited Moscow on March 15. At the time, Putin responded that he was unaware of the incidents, Yedioth said."

    To wrap the story: Israel wants to have a piece of a sovereign state of Syria - the Golan Heights. Israel has been violating the airspace of Syria. Russians have been helping Syrians to save their country from becoming another Libya. Israelis (the Lobby in particular) are furious that the sovereign state of Syria continues holding on and they want the US to correct the situation (see the former article based on the info from certain treasonous "anonymouses" in the US government). Add to that the Israelis' loss of oil trade with ISIS - and RF becomes Enemy No 1.

    Americans have been sent to fight for the Golan Heights for Israel
    The US Congressmen have been on stampede to give more money to Israel; moreover, the US are sending American troops and weaponry to Syria to prevent the defeat of ISIS and the victory of Assad: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-usa-syria-idUSKCN0XL0ZE
    “Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign praised the deployment. “These Special Forces will continue to provide critical support to local forces on the ground who ultimately must be the ones to win this fight,” it said in a statement.”

    Israel wants to have a piece of Syria – the Golan Height – and the Lobby is furious that the sovereign state of Syria continues holding on (with the help of Russians). Note that Israel has been violating the airspace of Syria: “The part of the Golan Heights still under Syrian control has been the target of repeated Israeli air strikes…” http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/assad-forces-build-troops-syrian-golan-160103031544139.html

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  • edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    It seems like there may be some trees blocking your view of the forrest. I'm sure you are right about gravity playing a part, it often does in lots of things, funny that. Those THREE buildings stood up for decades despite the gravitational pull yet collapsed to the ground in short order so aren't you curious as to how?

    It's a shame that you haven't even bothered to look closely into 9/11 since it was one of the defining events of our time and ushered in the forth turning, there's a book of that name that is well worth a look though it's not all about 9/11. I'd suggest everyone look closely into that September morning and the months preceding it but many would simply prefer not to know.

    It is said that ignorance is bliss and knowledge is a burden so you get to choose your own way.

    I'd say that OBL had nothing at all to do with it which is why I was so critical of the article and branded it as disinformation, which anything that perpetuates that absurd mythology is by dint or design not worth the time it takes to read it.

    RT News does a fine job of exposing the euphemisms without having to read anything at all and you don't have to suffer the blatant nonsense of this article, not that I'm saying everything that they report is true. It's up to you.

    “I think a shall never see
    A thing more beautiful
    Than A Tree

    It seems like there may be some trees blocking your view of the forrest.

    Behold the tree before it runs away, the forrest will still be there, just be patient, nobody can do both at the same time, not really. It’s better to focus attention on a tree, and then move on to appreciate more of a panoramic sight like a Forrest. One thing then another, in order not simultaneously.

    I will take my sweet time and see the f’n tree, and look around at some other ones too, then when and if I feel like it, scan the forrest, if any, in the wider view.

    But, I do not black out any forrest from consideration, because of any particular ugly tree.

    That would be a nit picker thing to do, extreme Myopic.

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  • “…isn’t it past time for Americans to ditch phrases like “collateral damage,” “enemy noncombatant,” “no-fly zone” (or even worse, “safe zone”), and “surgical strike”…?”

    Of course not. The kind of euphemisms that sounded twisted and craven in the 1960s and ’70s now sound perfectly “normal” and will continue to thrive. This is thanks to 50 years of propaganda in the form of “blockbuster” entertainments and “news media” reports designed to confer an appearance of seriousness and legitimacy upon the amoral shenanigans of the most ruthless gang of perverts and grifters the world has ever seen (with the possible exception of their Bolshevik fore-bearers), “our” Ivy League-educated American policy elite.

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  • It seems like there may be some trees blocking your view of the forrest. I’m sure you are right about gravity playing a part, it often does in lots of things, funny that. Those THREE buildings stood up for decades despite the gravitational pull yet collapsed to the ground in short order so aren’t you curious as to how?

    It’s a shame that you haven’t even bothered to look closely into 9/11 since it was one of the defining events of our time and ushered in the forth turning, there’s a book of that name that is well worth a look though it’s not all about 9/11. I’d suggest everyone look closely into that September morning and the months preceding it but many would simply prefer not to know.

    It is said that ignorance is bliss and knowledge is a burden so you get to choose your own way.

    I’d say that OBL had nothing at all to do with it which is why I was so critical of the article and branded it as disinformation, which anything that perpetuates that absurd mythology is by dint or design not worth the time it takes to read it.

    RT News does a fine job of exposing the euphemisms without having to read anything at all and you don’t have to suffer the blatant nonsense of this article, not that I’m saying everything that they report is true. It’s up to you.

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    "I think a shall never see
    A thing more beautiful
    Than A Tree

    It seems like there may be some trees blocking your view of the forrest.
     
    Behold the tree before it runs away, the forrest will still be there, just be patient, nobody can do both at the same time, not really. It's better to focus attention on a tree, and then move on to appreciate more of a panoramic sight like a Forrest. One thing then another, in order not simultaneously.

    I will take my sweet time and see the f'n tree, and look around at some other ones too, then when and if I feel like it, scan the forrest, if any, in the wider view.

    But, I do not black out any forrest from consideration, because of any particular ugly tree.

    That would be a nit picker thing to do, extreme Myopic.

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  • @Priss Factor
    Suppose Cold War had continued and communist China and socialist India had not joined the globalist economy.

    Suppose USSR still existed and the main theme of EU was opposing Soviet menace.

    Would the working class in the US be stronger and would EU be more nationalist?

    Suppose Cold War had continued and communist China and socialist India had not joined the globalist economy.

    I see what you’re getting at, but the scenario is not very realistic.

    The Communist world had already lost China by 1978. Deng Xiaoping had been kicked out of the Communist Party — twice — for being a “capitalist roader.” He finally succeeded in putting his ideas into practice on his third attempt.

    Once China went capitalist, India was bound to follow. China now has five times the GDP of India. If India had stayed socialist, this could easily have grow to 10 times or even 20 times. The Indians would not have tolerated being left in the dust like that.

    The real point of departure was Iraq War I. We felt we’d kicked the Vietnam syndrome and thought that war was a videogame. If Iraq War I had turned into a quagmire, we might have gotten into fewer foreign scrapes later.

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  • edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    Since you bring up plausibility how about you give the official narrative of 9/11 a go? Thanks.

    I said the statement in the article about somebody making an estimate of what it costed Bin Laden, was plausible because random chance would be that———- some doofus somewhere actually made such an estimate. End of plausibily point.

    And seems like the bar tab that the ”pilots” ran up in flight training in Florida would be more than that amount, so it’s sure was a strange thing.

    I don’t know anything about 9/11 other than the usual stuff. Gravity must have played a big part.

    The article tells us what certain terms and acrnyms stand for, so when you read about current events you won’t have to reread quite so many times to get the meaning, Euphemisms are ok for arcane communications among those who are keen to the meaning through continuous immersion in whatever it is. It is shorthand, not code, but that’s like anybody who is hep in some field, they have their own language. I appreciate the help to make sense of it.

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  • @edNels


    ''Keep in mind, for instance, that the 9/11 attacks on American soil were estimated to have cost Osama bin Laden at most a half-million dollars. Multiply that by 400 and you can buy one “made in America” F-35 jet fighter.''

    That's a plausable statement, somebody probably did estimate the number 1/2m. Sounds pretty low even for Atta & co.s hooker tab! It's just a footnote in the article, not more.

    Good article tries. It attempts to demystify acrinyms and eupemisms in use to obscure meaning.

    Since you bring up plausibility how about you give the official narrative of 9/11 a go? Thanks.

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    I said the statement in the article about somebody making an estimate of what it costed Bin Laden, was plausible because random chance would be that---------- some doofus somewhere actually made such an estimate. End of plausibily point.

    And seems like the bar tab that the ''pilots'' ran up in flight training in Florida would be more than that amount, so it's sure was a strange thing.

    I don't know anything about 9/11 other than the usual stuff. Gravity must have played a big part.

    The article tells us what certain terms and acrnyms stand for, so when you read about current events you won't have to reread quite so many times to get the meaning, Euphemisms are ok for arcane communications among those who are keen to the meaning through continuous immersion in whatever it is. It is shorthand, not code, but that's like anybody who is hep in some field, they have their own language. I appreciate the help to make sense of it.
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  • @Dinky Wang
    Or you could put your autism aside and read an article that is not about 9/11 but is about how the American Military and Intelligence establishment abuses language to weasel out of the fact that they are incompetent and cannot defeat their geopolitical opponents.

    But no, because of one sentence barely relevant to the rest of the article you decide the whole thing is nonsense.

    Therefore you are either retarded or Astroturfing dissent for the DoD.

    Little Dinky Wang (what a sad affliction). My comment on 9/11 is especially relevant, fool. Without the 9/11 false flag there would be no need for the use of the euphemisms in the first place since the wars would not be able to be sold to the electorate, it’s called manufacturing consent. Get it? I doubt that you do.

    The use of these euphemisms should be obvious anyway to anyone who has studied basic English and reads a book now and then. Not read Eric Blair have you? Perhaps you could apply for a refund on your “education”.

    “the fact that they are incompetent and cannot defeat their geopolitical opponents”.

    Who are you Little Dinky Wang to heap such vile lies and slander about those who put their lives on the line and serve in good faith? Have you served?

    Were ever America’s forces to be called upon to defend American soil, I have no doubts that they would account for themselves quite adequately, thanks. The US has not been attacked since Pearl Harbour and nobody seriously expects it to be in the foreseeable future apart from by those within who serve a foreign power.

    The MIC are actually to blame and are not incompetent at all, things are all going exactly to plan thanks to the constant repetition of that absurd meme of 9/11, chewing through bodies and treasure to enrich the 1% and effect the geopolitical goals of America’s “closest allies”. This article as it stands is just another piece of disinformation which is why I stated that it is unworthy of The Unz Review. That it fooled you comes as no surprise to me.

    Were the money being wasted on these fiascos instead to be invested in health, education, infrastructure, pensions (for the workers who have contributed to America for the last 50 years) R&D in various industries the US would have far less problems, far more fulfilled citizens and be seen around the world again as a nation to be respected not feared. This is clearly much too complex for you to grasp, you’ve made that obvious.

    And do lay off the autistics Little Dinky Wang, they have enough challenges in life without copping undeserved abuse from a mental midget like Little Dinky Wang.

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  • @Max Payne

    The question the gray zone both raises and obscures is: Why has the U.S. done so poorly when, by its own definition, it remains the biggest, baddest superpower around, the one that outspends its non-state enemies by a factor so large it can’t even be calculated?
     
    That's the US way of victory, to literally overdo anyone who tries to match them in a military field.

    Make an expensive, over-developed but all around capable tank, jet fighter, vessel, etc. Produce hundreds if not thousands more than any of your opponents can muster and by sheer arithmetic alone you win.

    I can't remember if it was the 2010 Chinese white papers but I remember reading about how China must not get into an arms race with the US and its ungodly military-industrial complex which apparently the Chinese are confident they, with their manufacturing industry which nearly creates everything on the planet, cannot match. There was a lot of focus on 'Lawfare' as the primary focus. I wonder if that is considered "fourth generational warfare" among nation-states today.

    to be honest, what is the point of conventional weapons for a country like china? it will never go to war with another super power like russia or usa. the only thing china needs to make sure is that their nuclear deterrent is current and deadly. which is why the usa posturing in the scs is stupid as hell for anyone with a little grey matter in their skulls. china just need enough for other non powers.

    when usa or anyone can field a working missile defense with near 100% capability, that is when we need to worry.

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    Conventional weapons creates jobs. I mean just manning these systems alone keeps the PLA busy. If you think the US is having trouble employing its population....
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  • edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:
    @NoseytheDuke
    I stopped reading this as soon as I came across the repetition of that absurd meme about Osama bin Laden being responsible for 9/11. Utter twaddle and unworthy of The Unz Review.

    ”Keep in mind, for instance, that the 9/11 attacks on American soil were estimated to have cost Osama bin Laden at most a half-million dollars. Multiply that by 400 and you can buy one “made in America” F-35 jet fighter.”

    That’s a plausable statement, somebody probably did estimate the number 1/2m. Sounds pretty low even for Atta & co.s hooker tab! It’s just a footnote in the article, not more.

    Good article tries. It attempts to demystify acrinyms and eupemisms in use to obscure meaning.

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    Since you bring up plausibility how about you give the official narrative of 9/11 a go? Thanks.
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  • An example of conditioning the public for another Enemy No 1: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-idUSKCN0XJ0DF
    “U.S. split deepens over Putin’s intentions in Syria civil war”

    “The Russian reassertion of military backing has prompted some U.S. officials to warn that a failure to respond would be seen by Moscow as a fresh sign of American timidity. That, they say, could encourage Russia to escalate challenges to U.S. and allied militaries through more provocative Russian air and naval maneuvers.” – Translation: it is time for the US to provide more blood and money for some special state that wants to expand on the Syrian territory.
    The info for Reuters was provided by “US officials speaking on condition of anonymity; the anonymous informers are, most likely, some dual-citizens loyal to the “night flower” of AIPAC.

    Another article by the same presstituting Reuters makes it clear why the Lobby has become so viciously hateful of the Russian federation: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-russia-israel-idUSKCN0XJ14O?il=0
    “Russian forces in Syria fired on Israeli aircraft: Israeli newspaper”
    “In an apparent allusion to Syria, Putin said: “I think there are understandable reasons for these intensive contacts (with Israel), given the complicated situation in the region.” According to Yedioth, the reported Russian fire on Israeli planes was first raised with Putin by Israeli President Reuven Rivlin, who visited Moscow on March 15. At the time, Putin responded that he was unaware of the incidents, Yedioth said.”

    To wrap the story: Israel wants to have a piece of a sovereign state of Syria – the Golan Heights. Israel has been violating the airspace of Syria. Russians have been helping Syrians to save their country from becoming another Libya. Israelis (the Lobby in particular) are furious that the sovereign state of Syria continues holding on and they want the US to correct the situation (see the former article based on the info from certain treasonous “anonymouses” in the US government). Add to that the Israelis’ loss of oil trade with ISIS – and RF becomes Enemy No 1.

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    Americans have been sent to fight for the Golan Heights for Israel
    The US Congressmen have been on stampede to give more money to Israel; moreover, the US are sending American troops and weaponry to Syria to prevent the defeat of ISIS and the victory of Assad: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-usa-syria-idUSKCN0XL0ZE
    "Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign praised the deployment. "These Special Forces will continue to provide critical support to local forces on the ground who ultimately must be the ones to win this fight," it said in a statement."

    Israel wants to have a piece of Syria - the Golan Height - and the Lobby is furious that the sovereign state of Syria continues holding on (with the help of Russians). Note that Israel has been violating the airspace of Syria: "The part of the Golan Heights still under Syrian control has been the target of repeated Israeli air strikes..." http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/assad-forces-build-troops-syrian-golan-160103031544139.html

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  • @Rehmat
    Instead of whining, darling, just look at the current presidential candidates to find out how much these Christians love the Jews while some of them still believe in BLOOD LIBEL and Holocaust. Contrary to that several Jewish writers and activists like David Cole, who says: "Holocaust is based on fakes, frauds, and forgeries."

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/02/19/david-cole-holocaust-is-based-on-fakes-frauds-and-forgeries/

    The bogus “holocaust’ is indeed fakery, and for billions of dollars every year.

    The same people are up to their old tricks:

    ‘Fake Jewish graves in Muslim cemeteries’: UNESCO slams Israeli occupation of Palestinian sites

    https://www.rt.com/news/340037-israel-unesco-palestinian-sites/

    discussion here:
    ‘Jews created fake Jewish graves’

    https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10337

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    The tide is turning.

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    I stopped reading this as soon as I came across the repetition of that absurd meme about Osama bin Laden being responsible for 9/11. Utter twaddle and unworthy of The Unz Review.

    Or you could put your autism aside and read an article that is not about 9/11 but is about how the American Military and Intelligence establishment abuses language to weasel out of the fact that they are incompetent and cannot defeat their geopolitical opponents.

    But no, because of one sentence barely relevant to the rest of the article you decide the whole thing is nonsense.

    Therefore you are either retarded or Astroturfing dissent for the DoD.

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    Little Dinky Wang (what a sad affliction). My comment on 9/11 is especially relevant, fool. Without the 9/11 false flag there would be no need for the use of the euphemisms in the first place since the wars would not be able to be sold to the electorate, it's called manufacturing consent. Get it? I doubt that you do.

    The use of these euphemisms should be obvious anyway to anyone who has studied basic English and reads a book now and then. Not read Eric Blair have you? Perhaps you could apply for a refund on your "education".

    "the fact that they are incompetent and cannot defeat their geopolitical opponents".

    Who are you Little Dinky Wang to heap such vile lies and slander about those who put their lives on the line and serve in good faith? Have you served?

    Were ever America's forces to be called upon to defend American soil, I have no doubts that they would account for themselves quite adequately, thanks. The US has not been attacked since Pearl Harbour and nobody seriously expects it to be in the foreseeable future apart from by those within who serve a foreign power.

    The MIC are actually to blame and are not incompetent at all, things are all going exactly to plan thanks to the constant repetition of that absurd meme of 9/11, chewing through bodies and treasure to enrich the 1% and effect the geopolitical goals of America's "closest allies". This article as it stands is just another piece of disinformation which is why I stated that it is unworthy of The Unz Review. That it fooled you comes as no surprise to me.

    Were the money being wasted on these fiascos instead to be invested in health, education, infrastructure, pensions (for the workers who have contributed to America for the last 50 years) R&D in various industries the US would have far less problems, far more fulfilled citizens and be seen around the world again as a nation to be respected not feared. This is clearly much too complex for you to grasp, you've made that obvious.

    And do lay off the autistics Little Dinky Wang, they have enough challenges in life without copping undeserved abuse from a mental midget like Little Dinky Wang.

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  • @NoseytheDuke
    I stopped reading this as soon as I came across the repetition of that absurd meme about Osama bin Laden being responsible for 9/11. Utter twaddle and unworthy of The Unz Review.

    You are correct that the meme about Osama bin Laden being responsible for 9/11 is absurd and I thank you for your comment since it saved me the time and trouble of reading what is no doubt twaddle.

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