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    Good evening, thank you so much for taking time out of what I know are your busy schedules to be here now. My thanks to Jenny Tonge for making this meeting possible; and I would like to thank three people without whom the book would not exist: Karl Sabbagh, my publisher; Ghada Karmi, who inspired...
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    Zionism is an aberration; a cancerous monstrosity that has been condoned and supported by the West. That it is spreading its ills and venom to its supporters and has come to have total domination over them, as is the case in Washington, London, and Paris, is retributive justice indeed.

    Indeed, it’s based upon the fake ’6M Jews & impossible gas chambers.’
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    To paraphrase Israeli Professor Idith Zertal, the greater the suffering of these survivors of the Holocaust, the greater their political and media effectiveness for the Zionists.

    - If there was ‘a plan to kill every Jew the Germans could get their hands on’ then why are there countless numbers of so called “survivor$”?

    - If the alleged ‘holocaust’ was fact, then why are there laws in Europe to prevent scrutiny of it? What kind of “truth” needs to imprison people to prevent free speech?

    And why have supremacist Jews have been marketing the ’6,000,000′ lie since at least 1869?
    http://balder.org/judea/New-York-Times-Six-Million-Jews-Since-1869.php
    See the scientifically impossible ‘holocau$t’ scam debunked at a no name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

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  • Notes on what the upper class sponsors of Zionism might reasnably have thought.

    If you buy up all the freehold (or leaseholds from the state (Ottoman – or colonial/state governments in Queensland or Western Australia e.g.) which give exclusive possesseion equivalent to freehold (in English law anyway a feudal concept, not absolute title) surely you should be able to make it your own people’s self governing entity from which you can exclude others and give them no say???

    Cp. Land rights for Aborigines to the Balfour Declaration. In the 1970s land rights were usuall conferred by buying back pastoral leaseholds.

    Note the exclusion of uninvited non Aborigines from vast areas of Australia.

    But note the limitations too. No child marriages allowed for example – or spearings as summary punishment….so note the notion of primitive people is unashamedly applied in practice.

    It was a rich Jewish leader of the Bar who led the successful Mabo case which established Aboriginal title in place of the ling establishe legal doctrine that Australia was/had been terra nullius [no one's land] before being claimed for the British Crown in the 18th century. I sat next to his widow at dinner recently but failed to ask her what he thought of Zionism. They would have been intelligent subtle thoughts I am sure. Footnote oddity: when he was a junior barrister 20 years earlier he had a brief for the Scientologists when a Royal Commission was held in Victoris into their activities. I don’t know if he was giving his time to them as I am sure he did later to Eddie Mabo (whose claim in the Torres Strait was treated as rectifying the law for Aboriginal Australia as well) but recall that he was trying to share the burden of massive tedious preparation.

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  • […] 55) Terrorism: How the Israeli State Was Won http://www.unz.com/article/terrorism-how-the-israeli-state-was-won/ […]

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  • According to the report, the United States gave Israel $3.1 billion for Fiscal Year 2016 in direct bilateral military aid (also referred to as Foreign Military Financing or FMF). Congress also gave $487.6 million to “joint” U.S.-Israel missile defense programs (designed to protect Israeli territory from potential outside threats), bringing total military aid to Israel to $3.6 billion per year.

    Put another way, American taxpayers give Israel $9.8 million per day (in 2016).

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/usaid.html

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  • @Che Guava
    That is a very interesting comment.

    Didi, how old are you? If you are genuine, my sincere congratulations to you. If true, you must be near to or in your nineties. So I suspect that you are a fake.

    Also for your departure, I have done similar, leaving certain types of work on principle, if more people were to do it, the world would be a little better.

    Smells like BS. Unless Didi is a time traveller.

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  • Great article. I’m sure the House of Lords ate it up (how many were in attendance?).

    Similar tactics of terrorism and ethnic cleansing were of course used by Turkey in 1915 and Pakistan in 1947, and also Islamists of all eras.

    All these ethno-religious critters should rot in Hell.

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  • @Didi
    I do not know what the ideological composition of the early Zionist settlers in the British mandate was. From my own experience I can vouch that the Zionists of the 1930's were a very mixed bag. They ranged from ultra-orthodox, fascist, via European “Liberal” and Social Democrats to Communists.
    However, my very brief experience with the 1930's Jewish youth organization “Maccabi” in the Netherlands was that boys and girls were trained to be military “liberators” that is to say emulate Joshua and kick all Arabs out of Eretz Israel. By any means. After only two meetings of this so-called scouting organization I left.
    One of the training exercises was a simulated "stand (armed of course) guard at a kibbutz.

    That is a very interesting comment.

    Didi, how old are you? If you are genuine, my sincere congratulations to you. If true, you must be near to or in your nineties. So I suspect that you are a fake.

    Also for your departure, I have done similar, leaving certain types of work on principle, if more people were to do it, the world would be a little better.

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    Smells like BS. Unless Didi is a time traveller.
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  • @HdC
    The German built and supplied submarines for Israel are most assuredly NOT nuclear powered.

    They may be nuclear weapons capable, which is an entirely different animal.

    Also, they were not free. They may have been sold at cost (paid for by the USA if you like). Thus they were used by the Germans as make-work projects during slack time in the ship yards. HdC

    I note that you do not reply, my only error was on propulsion, you tried to imply incorrectness on two other points, you know you are wrong on both, so the reasons for your assertions are suspect.

    However, I appreciate the correction re. the propulsion.

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  • @utu
    The first few boats were free. Next were at 50% cost.

    Hello utu,

    Is there any info available where I might read more about this? Thanks, HdC

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  • @HdC
    The German built and supplied submarines for Israel are most assuredly NOT nuclear powered.

    They may be nuclear weapons capable, which is an entirely different animal.

    Also, they were not free. They may have been sold at cost (paid for by the USA if you like). Thus they were used by the Germans as make-work projects during slack time in the ship yards. HdC

    The first few boats were free. Next were at 50% cost.

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    Hello utu,

    Is there any info available where I might read more about this? Thanks, HdC
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  • @annamaria
    You mean that the truth - the facts - have anti-Israel bias?
    Here is a perfect definition of Zionism by a decent Jewish man who saw the zionist parasitoid in its formative years: "Z described Zionism as a parallel movement to Nazism. He warned that the Zionist indoctrination of Jewish youth was producing a society of extremists who will use any method necessary to achieve Zionist goals; and he pointed out that, as fascism in Europe has demonstrated, such a society is very difficult to undo once it has taken root."

    The US has become another victim of the zio-nazis (aka ziocons).
    And it is true that Zionists have a hate-love feelings towards Trump because the whaling of special victimhood could be continued due to the alleged antisemitism of Trump (never mind his orthodox Jewish grandkids).

    I do not know what the ideological composition of the early Zionist settlers in the British mandate was. From my own experience I can vouch that the Zionists of the 1930′s were a very mixed bag. They ranged from ultra-orthodox, fascist, via European “Liberal” and Social Democrats to Communists.
    However, my very brief experience with the 1930′s Jewish youth organization “Maccabi” in the Netherlands was that boys and girls were trained to be military “liberators” that is to say emulate Joshua and kick all Arabs out of Eretz Israel. By any means. After only two meetings of this so-called scouting organization I left.
    One of the training exercises was a simulated “stand (armed of course) guard at a kibbutz.

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    That is a very interesting comment.

    Didi, how old are you? If you are genuine, my sincere congratulations to you. If true, you must be near to or in your nineties. So I suspect that you are a fake.

    Also for your departure, I have done similar, leaving certain types of work on principle, if more people were to do it, the world would be a little better.
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  • @Anonymous

    Nazi apologists will tell you – with a small element of truth – that there was some early encouragement for Zionism by Nazis.
     
    1. Zionism pre-dated the beginnings of Nazism by at least 40 years.

    2. Germans planted settlements in Palestine alongside zionist Jews, and apparently more successfully than zionist Jews, in the late 1800s and early 1900s. This can be known from Arthur Ruppin's letter to the zionists in Vienna, 1907. look it up.

    3. There was far more encouragement of Nazism by zionists than the other way around. This can be known from the biographies of Chaim Weizmann and of David Ben Gurion, and from the activities of the Mossad el-aliyeh bet in Germany - Central Europe from ~1917 onward, reaching a peak in ~1938.

    ----

    @ dearieme, 10. "Everything changed with Hitler, whose lunacy could not have been anticipated in 1917."

    If not Hitler and Nazis, then who would have come to power in Germany?
    Would Germany have continued in its deteriorated state -- economy failing, women, children and even men prostituting for food, politics chaotic, orphanages overburdened, broken war veterans living on the street, Stalin's Communist tools attempting to snare Germany in their web, Russian & Polish Jews pouring into Germany, overtaxing an already strained economy -- how long could that have gone on? What was the end game?

    Who was in the wings with a better solution?
    Why hadn't those persons in the wings come forward over Weimar's dozen-year reign?
    Leo Strauss was among the bright young ideologues with bright solutions to Weimar's problems; he vamoosed when he realized that the heavily Jewish Weimar project was, to borrow a phrase from Tod Lindberg at Cato Inst., "running out of steam."

    Wizard of Oz's scenario is fanciful and does not comport with the facts on the ground.
    History records that National Socialists DID "recover. . . from the Depression in the late 30s like in advance of- and more successfully than - other countries without having occupied the Rhineland etc."
    FDR, Churchill and zionists could not take Germany's success for an answer -- they were envious of Germany's Werner von Brauns and Arthur Rudolphs!

    Come to think of it, WizoOz sketched exactly why zionists needed and supported Hitler -- he was the perfect boogie man to induce fear to coerce reluctant German Jews to strike their tents and hie off to Palestine.
    We've all seen the pattern too many times -- Netanyahu elbowing himself into the French protest, then telling French Jews they should 'be very afraid' and flee to Israel is one blatant, if somewhat laughable example, but the failed gambit of equating Ahmadinejad with Hitler is even more instructive: the rhetoric was used to keep Jews in a perpetual state of fear and to deter the rest of the world from calling Israelis to account. Hitlerahmadinejad faded into the twilight via the relatively peaceful election in Iran in 2009, so a Plan B, or C or D had to be rolled out.

    There is too much history of zionist bad acts post-1945, and too much history of zionist bad acts well in advance of 1933, such that a sharply delineated pattern has emerged to define zionism. The old narratives of Hitler as bad guy has been stripped of its motive force. What zionists are doing today is consistent with zionist plans from at least as far back as 1880, if not a century earlier.

    These patterns and the zionist project did not emerge from Nazism; the fulfillment of a crucial stage of the zionist project depended upon the German nation reacting to a sustained pattern of zionist (and USA and British) provocations and maneuverings in ways that were partly predictable, and partly coerced, or gamed as unavoidable.

    When Israel became a state the following joke began to be told. There were joyous demonstrations in the German kibbutz Naharia. People had made spanners and placards reading “Israel schon gut aber Naharia bleibt Deutsch”!

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  • The terrorists even murdered Jews who had migrated to the Mandate and who were too friendly to the Arabs. The most notorious case was that of the Dutch poet De Haan who was assassinated-I believe by the Haganah-in 1924 in Jerusalem in broad daylight. In the 1980′s it became clear who had ordered and who had carried out this crime.

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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t understand why the author always puts scare quotes around the word Arab. At the time of the Balfour Declaration the majority of Palestinians were undoubtedly supporters of the political agenda of the Arab Revolt which was to create a unified, independent Arab state in as much of the Arabic-majority parts of the former Ottoman Empire as they and their allies could liberate from Turkish and German forces – the agenda which the British and French had repeatedly pledged to support.

    After the war (Remember the good old days, when wars ended?) the betrayal of those promises was so swift and complete that it is difficult to know how small of an Arab state would have satisfied the national aspirations of the Arabs, but it surely would have included Palestine. It seems to me that the short-lived Kingdom of Syria intended to unite the Fertile Crescent from Aqaba to the Gulf south of Basra.

    At Versailles in 1919 the Allies assured Sharif Feisal that an Allied Commission would be sent to the Arab territories of the former Empire to ascertain the will of the people in regard to their political future. This commission would have included British, French, US, Italian, and any other allied commissioners who wished to participate, but the British and French were quick to reneg on that pledge, as well.

    It was left to Woodrow Wilson to try to live-up to his lofty ideals of self- determination and consent of the governed. In the end, it was only the American King-Crane Commission that went to the region to make those determinations. The Commission was constrained by time, by lack of staff and by its allies’ pressure from exploring opinions beyond what became Lebanon, Syria Palestine and Trans-Jordan after the neo imperial partitions, but King-Crane found strongest support for the Arab agenda. Nowhere was that support stronger than in Palestine. Of course, the US had little influence compared to Britain and France, who proceeded to carve-up the region into the collection of small, weak, illegitimate statelets that the neoimperial powers thought they could easily manipulate – an “empire on the cheap”, controlled through “divide and rule”, to quote Churchill.

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  • @HdC
    The German built and supplied submarines for Israel are most assuredly NOT nuclear powered.

    They may be nuclear weapons capable, which is an entirely different animal.

    Also, they were not free. They may have been sold at cost (paid for by the USA if you like). Thus they were used by the Germans as make-work projects during slack time in the ship yards. HdC

    I am not happy with me when posting incorrect information.

    It is rare.

    You are correct, those boats have diesel-electric propulsiion.

    I read an article that I thought reliable at the time, said they were nuclear propelled, since France has nuclear-propelled boats, it was logical to not question it.

    They may be nuclear weapons capable, which is an entirely different animal.

    Indeed, but ‘may be’nuclear weapons capable’ is a classic understatement, ‘almost certainly are’ is correct. Where do you think they got the submarine-launched cruise-missile tech? Pilfered from the USA.

    Also, they were not free. They may have been sold at cost (paid for by the USA if you like).

    From reading, I believe that you are wrong on that. It was a make-work scheme in Germany, sure, but from my reading, the subs were gratis, part of the never-ending imposts on Germany.

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  • @Skeptikal
    Too much ex post facto speculation on what other people would have done absent a catastrophe of some kind to force them to flee.

    Most of them would have stayed home. There is no basis on which to assume that people would have picked up and emigrated just out of some general malaise, if there were no dire threat where they were.
    Just a few people have the desire and energy to emigrate. Most do not.
    Even well-to-do German and Austrian Jews hung on for as long as they could at home, until something occurred and they could no longer deny the seriousness of their situation.
    That point is very well known, expressed in the question "Why didn't they get out sooner?"
    Most people do not like to leave home.

    8I’m reading John Keays’ “Sowing the Wind” and was intrigued to read that, between 1881 and 1914 about 2 million Jews emigrated to the US but only 35,000 to Palestine but that even that 1000 a year “was already provoking unrest amongst its [the Ottoman Empire's] Arab inhabitants.

    I think that bypasses your points because it makes it clear that there wouldn’t have had to be much Jewish immigration in the 30s or 40s to provoke the revolt Arab and British restrictions on immigration that was at the heart of my counterfactual speculation.

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  • @Skeptikal
    Too much ex post facto speculation on what other people would have done absent a catastrophe of some kind to force them to flee.

    Most of them would have stayed home. There is no basis on which to assume that people would have picked up and emigrated just out of some general malaise, if there were no dire threat where they were.
    Just a few people have the desire and energy to emigrate. Most do not.
    Even well-to-do German and Austrian Jews hung on for as long as they could at home, until something occurred and they could no longer deny the seriousness of their situation.
    That point is very well known, expressed in the question "Why didn't they get out sooner?"
    Most people do not like to leave home.

    “Even well-to-do Austrian and German Jews” – quite, they had a lot to lose.

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  • @annamaria
    Reminds of the times of Spanish inquisition when Jews were forced to sell their properties for "pennies."
    The first Zionists differed not an iota from their countrymen Nazis. The same kind of pettiness in everything except maniacal grandiosity (of compensatory type), plus the psychology of mobsters. The modern ziocons expose the same idiotic grandiosity and it obviously affects the US policies. The sycophantic opportunists that serve the "haves" and other "deciders" have been acting with gusto towards global catastrophe that could eliminate humanity, the semi-ignorant "deciders" having no idea of where their grandiosity can bring their own progeny. The pushers for a victory with "ashes in our mouths."

    Careful! That best showed your prejudices. The Spanish experience of Jews being forced to sell their land for “pennies” really doesn’t seem to have any relevant similarities.

    As for “the first Zionists differed not an iota from their countrymen Nazis” is way over the top, not just because the Nazis were a product of military defeat and financial melt down most of two generations later, but because the first Zionists cannot be sensibly or reasonably characterised as Germans. Thank you for leading me to check this by Googling “who were the first Zionists” from which I got to Wikipedia on Zionism and from there lots more interesting links. Russian pogroms were of key importance. I trust you will enjoy making yourself better informed (and if you are of Russian Orthodox background you may enjoy the details of Catholic and Papal anti-Semitism).

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  • @Che Guava
    Agreed, and was going to say it was soon to be significantly more in my apology to annamaria after a brief mental calc., but you already said it. I think, even if one forgets the difficult to estimate cost of free rein to steal and profit from industrial and weapon secrets, but take the reserve weapons dumps and such into account, it is even higher than fifteen million per diem.

    As my post and misunderstanding suggest, I find the per annum subsidy for each Jewish Israeli person to be a better measure of how bizarre the situation is than to simply state the per diem average, but can see that the latter also has some power.

    I am thinking my viewpoint may have greater resonance for Americans in 'flyover states'. Not that I am American, but am a sympathizer with those Americans.

    Israel, the massive external welfare state.

    I suppose you have read Mearshimer and Walt. They go into detail on the many other subsidies, not just the strange arms depots.

    Not to mention the gifts and subsidies from Germany, much cash and a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines that were soon to be nuclear armed. Analysts agree that they are.

    Two double-bizarro points there. The German polity gave (gratis) the nuke-powered boats to Israel as they were approaching the closing of all of their nuclear generating plants (now complete, AFAIK).

    The delivery systems for nukes were pilfered from the USA. Izzies claim the right to say they are not a nuke power, when their arsenal may well exceed that of China, and, from associated rhetoric at times (Samson option), includes things that all of the other players have stopped doing, their 'Samson option' sounds like random targets of enhanced fall-out weapons,

    Agreeing with your comments, RobinG, excuse my misinterpretation of the full stop as separator notation, I rarely see it, but know of it.

    Regards.

    The German built and supplied submarines for Israel are most assuredly NOT nuclear powered.

    They may be nuclear weapons capable, which is an entirely different animal.

    Also, they were not free. They may have been sold at cost (paid for by the USA if you like). Thus they were used by the Germans as make-work projects during slack time in the ship yards. HdC

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    I am not happy with me when posting incorrect information.

    It is rare.

    You are correct, those boats have diesel-electric propulsiion.

    I read an article that I thought reliable at the time, said they were nuclear propelled, since France has nuclear-propelled boats, it was logical to not question it.

    They may be nuclear weapons capable, which is an entirely different animal.
     
    Indeed, but 'may be'nuclear weapons capable' is a classic understatement, 'almost certainly are' is correct. Where do you think they got the submarine-launched cruise-missile tech? Pilfered from the USA.

    Also, they were not free. They may have been sold at cost (paid for by the USA if you like).
     
    From reading, I believe that you are wrong on that. It was a make-work scheme in Germany, sure, but from my reading, the subs were gratis, part of the never-ending imposts on Germany.
    , @utu
    The first few boats were free. Next were at 50% cost.
    , @Che Guava
    I note that you do not reply, my only error was on propulsion, you tried to imply incorrectness on two other points, you know you are wrong on both, so the reasons for your assertions are suspect.

    However, I appreciate the correction re. the propulsion.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    A few dates and a bit more detail please to substantiate "the Arabs were forced to sell their land". I have long understood that the purchases started with big purchases from ansentees who owned a lot of land near Jaffa and were glad to be bought out. I can well imagine that there might have been ninterstitial smallholdings which consequently became non-viable or deprived of something.

    I recently read about this in a book, and when I got up to get it to send details to you, i remembered I’d passed it on to my daughter. However you are correct in your way. Till 1858 the land was with the Ottoman Caliph. After that individuals could buy it. In 1880 or thereabouts the Ottomans stopped selling land to the Zionists ( this had to do with Russia and the Turks politics.) Absentee owners did sell land, but one of the nuances highlighted i n the book I mentioned was how the British mandate played a role in not stopping evictions of the flasheen even when the absentee landlords or the tenants complained.

    At this point thats the best I can do for your particular question, and can’t insist i have the details. There are other details, but they’re not relevant for you.

    Ps__ the Turks did start selling to the Zionists around 1890 to pay off their debts. How much land the Zionist bought is debatable, but it’s about 3%, before the British took over. Another 4% was bought under the mandate.

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  • @RobinG
    C.G., annamaria's wording is perfect. It is the collective citizenry she refers to, and Israel gets Ten Million US Tax Dollars per diem - (soon to be close to 15 million).

    This tribute money should be stopped. While Israel doesn't need it - it's a rich country - the symbolism is significant. The vote at the UN was okay, but cutting off the joy juice would be better.

    Agreed, and was going to say it was soon to be significantly more in my apology to annamaria after a brief mental calc., but you already said it. I think, even if one forgets the difficult to estimate cost of free rein to steal and profit from industrial and weapon secrets, but take the reserve weapons dumps and such into account, it is even higher than fifteen million per diem.

    As my post and misunderstanding suggest, I find the per annum subsidy for each Jewish Israeli person to be a better measure of how bizarre the situation is than to simply state the per diem average, but can see that the latter also has some power.

    I am thinking my viewpoint may have greater resonance for Americans in ‘flyover states’. Not that I am American, but am a sympathizer with those Americans.

    Israel, the massive external welfare state.

    I suppose you have read Mearshimer and Walt. They go into detail on the many other subsidies, not just the strange arms depots.

    Not to mention the gifts and subsidies from Germany, much cash and a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines that were soon to be nuclear armed. Analysts agree that they are.

    Two double-bizarro points there. The German polity gave (gratis) the nuke-powered boats to Israel as they were approaching the closing of all of their nuclear generating plants (now complete, AFAIK).

    The delivery systems for nukes were pilfered from the USA. Izzies claim the right to say they are not a nuke power, when their arsenal may well exceed that of China, and, from associated rhetoric at times (Samson option), includes things that all of the other players have stopped doing, their ‘Samson option’ sounds like random targets of enhanced fall-out weapons,

    Agreeing with your comments, RobinG, excuse my misinterpretation of the full stop as separator notation, I rarely see it, but know of it.

    Regards.

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    The German built and supplied submarines for Israel are most assuredly NOT nuclear powered.

    They may be nuclear weapons capable, which is an entirely different animal.

    Also, they were not free. They may have been sold at cost (paid for by the USA if you like). Thus they were used by the Germans as make-work projects during slack time in the ship yards. HdC

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  • @annamaria
    $10.000.000 means $10 millions

    I see, I misread it because you used decimal points instead of commas or spaces as separators, and was tired, vision blurry, seeing the first as a comma, the second as a decimal point.

    Sorry. I know that notation for whole nunbers is common in parts of mainland western Europe, I am curious about how a decimal fraction is expressed in it.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Yes, no doubt they would have often preferred to go to the US, but not all, and anyway you are forgetting the 1925 legislation, not reversed till 1965. Also the Zionists well financed ruthless determination if one believes the picture given by the article.

    Too much ex post facto speculation on what other people would have done absent a catastrophe of some kind to force them to flee.

    Most of them would have stayed home. There is no basis on which to assume that people would have picked up and emigrated just out of some general malaise, if there were no dire threat where they were.
    Just a few people have the desire and energy to emigrate. Most do not.
    Even well-to-do German and Austrian Jews hung on for as long as they could at home, until something occurred and they could no longer deny the seriousness of their situation.
    That point is very well known, expressed in the question “Why didn’t they get out sooner?”
    Most people do not like to leave home.

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    "Even well-to-do Austrian and German Jews" - quite, they had a lot to lose.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    8I'm reading John Keays' "Sowing the Wind" and was intrigued to read that, between 1881 and 1914 about 2 million Jews emigrated to the US but only 35,000 to Palestine but that even that 1000 a year "was already provoking unrest amongst its [the Ottoman Empire's] Arab inhabitants.

    I think that bypasses your points because it makes it clear that there wouldn't have had to be much Jewish immigration in the 30s or 40s to provoke the revolt Arab and British restrictions on immigration that was at the heart of my counterfactual speculation.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    A few dates and a bit more detail please to substantiate "the Arabs were forced to sell their land". I have long understood that the purchases started with big purchases from ansentees who owned a lot of land near Jaffa and were glad to be bought out. I can well imagine that there might have been ninterstitial smallholdings which consequently became non-viable or deprived of something.

    Reminds of the times of Spanish inquisition when Jews were forced to sell their properties for “pennies.”
    The first Zionists differed not an iota from their countrymen Nazis. The same kind of pettiness in everything except maniacal grandiosity (of compensatory type), plus the psychology of mobsters. The modern ziocons expose the same idiotic grandiosity and it obviously affects the US policies. The sycophantic opportunists that serve the “haves” and other “deciders” have been acting with gusto towards global catastrophe that could eliminate humanity, the semi-ignorant “deciders” having no idea of where their grandiosity can bring their own progeny. The pushers for a victory with “ashes in our mouths.”

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    Careful! That best showed your prejudices. The Spanish experience of Jews being forced to sell their land for "pennies" really doesn't seem to have any relevant similarities.

    As for "the first Zionists differed not an iota from their countrymen Nazis" is way over the top, not just because the Nazis were a product of military defeat and financial melt down most of two generations later, but because the first Zionists cannot be sensibly or reasonably characterised as Germans. Thank you for leading me to check this by Googling "who were the first Zionists" from which I got to Wikipedia on Zionism and from there lots more interesting links. Russian pogroms were of key importance. I trust you will enjoy making yourself better informed (and if you are of Russian Orthodox background you may enjoy the details of Catholic and Papal anti-Semitism).
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  • Yaaaaaawn
    Everyone is a terrorist these days,even the terrorists
    The American settlers,the Vikings,the goths,the romans,the russians the slavs,the mongols,the Turks.the arabs,the persians.the brits,the Irish,the japanese

    Yes the Israelis have learnt from them all

    Terry terry terrifying

    Egypt not giving the saudis the islands anymore.with Clinton out the way all that money is bye bye.this article is making the rounds,wonder who is footing the bill.

    I can tell you one thing for sure.from Africa too Ethiopia,too yemen change will come by terror, the tip of a spear.the slaves will rise up against there old masters.

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  • @Skeptikal
    Furthermore, I expect that most Eastern European Jews would have preferred to go to the United States, not Palestine, if they were going to go anywhere. That is also where they would have been most likely to have family connections and a social network.

    Yes, no doubt they would have often preferred to go to the US, but not all, and anyway you are forgetting the 1925 legislation, not reversed till 1965. Also the Zionists well financed ruthless determination if one believes the picture given by the article.

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    Too much ex post facto speculation on what other people would have done absent a catastrophe of some kind to force them to flee.

    Most of them would have stayed home. There is no basis on which to assume that people would have picked up and emigrated just out of some general malaise, if there were no dire threat where they were.
    Just a few people have the desire and energy to emigrate. Most do not.
    Even well-to-do German and Austrian Jews hung on for as long as they could at home, until something occurred and they could no longer deny the seriousness of their situation.
    That point is very well known, expressed in the question "Why didn't they get out sooner?"
    Most people do not like to leave home.
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  • @raphee
    In fact the Arabs were being forced to sell their land. Though the Ottoman Empire had a notional control, the real power deciding Palestine's running sat in Cairo aka the British. Egyptian nationalists of that time were fighting for themselves and for Palestine.

    As to the land buying I'm sure you know the details regarding the Agency buying the land. Money was given interest free courtesy of Rothschild. Further land once bought could not be sold to any indigenous Palestinians, Jew Muslim or Christian. Neither could the land be rented to any indigenous folks. Look up details or i can provide them.

    As we see apartheid hasn't just been started as a result of Palestinians protest, it has always been baked into the Zionist project.

    A few dates and a bit more detail please to substantiate “the Arabs were forced to sell their land”. I have long understood that the purchases started with big purchases from ansentees who owned a lot of land near Jaffa and were glad to be bought out. I can well imagine that there might have been ninterstitial smallholdings which consequently became non-viable or deprived of something.

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    Reminds of the times of Spanish inquisition when Jews were forced to sell their properties for "pennies."
    The first Zionists differed not an iota from their countrymen Nazis. The same kind of pettiness in everything except maniacal grandiosity (of compensatory type), plus the psychology of mobsters. The modern ziocons expose the same idiotic grandiosity and it obviously affects the US policies. The sycophantic opportunists that serve the "haves" and other "deciders" have been acting with gusto towards global catastrophe that could eliminate humanity, the semi-ignorant "deciders" having no idea of where their grandiosity can bring their own progeny. The pushers for a victory with "ashes in our mouths."
    , @raphee
    I recently read about this in a book, and when I got up to get it to send details to you, i remembered I'd passed it on to my daughter. However you are correct in your way. Till 1858 the land was with the Ottoman Caliph. After that individuals could buy it. In 1880 or thereabouts the Ottomans stopped selling land to the Zionists ( this had to do with Russia and the Turks politics.) Absentee owners did sell land, but one of the nuances highlighted i n the book I mentioned was how the British mandate played a role in not stopping evictions of the flasheen even when the absentee landlords or the tenants complained.

    At this point thats the best I can do for your particular question, and can't insist i have the details. There are other details, but they're not relevant for you.

    Ps__ the Turks did start selling to the Zionists around 1890 to pay off their debts. How much land the Zionist bought is debatable, but it's about 3%, before the British took over. Another 4% was bought under the mandate.

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  • @Skeptikal
    These suppositions are tenuous. Too many maybes.

    Re Arab revolt:
    The first Arab revolt was in 1916, against the Ottoman Turks.
    The second Arab revolt was in 1936. The Palestinian Arabs were not fools.
    They could the direction things were trending. And the Z ionists were perfectly open in their aim to create a Zionist state. It was no secret.

    There were Palestinian intellectuals. They were not all "herdsmen," etc. The Levantine Arab culture is sophisticated. You seem to underrate them. Going on numbers alone it would be equally silly for anyone to worry about a "takeover" of Europe by Muslims. Or, for that matter, about a "takeover" of U.S. domestic politics!

    Remember, too, that the Palestinian Arabs had many friends in high places in the British aristocracy and Whitehall, etc. They knew damn well what was planned for their country.

    Of course the Zionists were so obsessed with their project that, if the Holocaust had not come along to help them with their mythmaking, they would have figured out something else. With the help of their American friends.

    I am not sure why thiscis posed as opposing what I said.

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  • @Skeptikal
    These suppositions are tenuous. Too many maybes.

    Re Arab revolt:
    The first Arab revolt was in 1916, against the Ottoman Turks.
    The second Arab revolt was in 1936. The Palestinian Arabs were not fools.
    They could the direction things were trending. And the Z ionists were perfectly open in their aim to create a Zionist state. It was no secret.

    There were Palestinian intellectuals. They were not all "herdsmen," etc. The Levantine Arab culture is sophisticated. You seem to underrate them. Going on numbers alone it would be equally silly for anyone to worry about a "takeover" of Europe by Muslims. Or, for that matter, about a "takeover" of U.S. domestic politics!

    Remember, too, that the Palestinian Arabs had many friends in high places in the British aristocracy and Whitehall, etc. They knew damn well what was planned for their country.

    Of course the Zionists were so obsessed with their project that, if the Holocaust had not come along to help them with their mythmaking, they would have figured out something else. With the help of their American friends.

    I agree quite a bit. Particularly your comment that Levantine Arabs were not all herdsmen, but had education, elites, and a culture. The Zionist propaganda seems to dehumanise the Palestinians, and until recently they’ve been successful.

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  • @Che Guava

    If your buffoonish state of Israel (extracting $ 10.000.000/per day, year after year, from the US citizenry pockets) had any aversion to terrorism, then the Israelis would not have been supporting ISIS with weaponry, intelligence, and medical care:
     
    Well said! You are a conscious person, Annamaria. As an external observer, I see how and cannot believe the massive theft from the US by Israel.

    Still, you must take care with numbers. In my view, the ugJy situation is ugly, but you overstate it in a strange way.

    Perhaps that was intended on your part?

    The $10,000 figure is roughly (higher now, if you do the arithmetic, I can't be bothered now) what all US people who pay tax are forced to pass to every man, woman, and child in Israel, every .year, not every day.

    ... and a free licence for Israel to steal any accessible tech secrets they want.

    That is obscene, but it is not 10,000 dollars per US person per day, as the wording in your post suggests.

    It is well over $10,000 for everyone in Israel, although I doubt that any of the cash flows to even loyalist Israeli Arabs.

    C.G., annamaria’s wording is perfect. It is the collective citizenry she refers to, and Israel gets Ten Million US Tax Dollars per diem – (soon to be close to 15 million).

    This tribute money should be stopped. While Israel doesn’t need it – it’s a rich country – the symbolism is significant. The vote at the UN was okay, but cutting off the joy juice would be better.

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    Agreed, and was going to say it was soon to be significantly more in my apology to annamaria after a brief mental calc., but you already said it. I think, even if one forgets the difficult to estimate cost of free rein to steal and profit from industrial and weapon secrets, but take the reserve weapons dumps and such into account, it is even higher than fifteen million per diem.

    As my post and misunderstanding suggest, I find the per annum subsidy for each Jewish Israeli person to be a better measure of how bizarre the situation is than to simply state the per diem average, but can see that the latter also has some power.

    I am thinking my viewpoint may have greater resonance for Americans in 'flyover states'. Not that I am American, but am a sympathizer with those Americans.

    Israel, the massive external welfare state.

    I suppose you have read Mearshimer and Walt. They go into detail on the many other subsidies, not just the strange arms depots.

    Not to mention the gifts and subsidies from Germany, much cash and a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines that were soon to be nuclear armed. Analysts agree that they are.

    Two double-bizarro points there. The German polity gave (gratis) the nuke-powered boats to Israel as they were approaching the closing of all of their nuclear generating plants (now complete, AFAIK).

    The delivery systems for nukes were pilfered from the USA. Izzies claim the right to say they are not a nuke power, when their arsenal may well exceed that of China, and, from associated rhetoric at times (Samson option), includes things that all of the other players have stopped doing, their 'Samson option' sounds like random targets of enhanced fall-out weapons,

    Agreeing with your comments, RobinG, excuse my misinterpretation of the full stop as separator notation, I rarely see it, but know of it.

    Regards.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Palestinians are probably the longest suffering large refugee population still in temporary accommodation without a new homeland. But hardly the largest even if one counts all the descendants. There would have been far more in Europe as a result of WW2 and the consequences of the partition of India shouldn't be forgotten. Nor the exodus to Taiwan in 1949.

    I agree that the Partition of the Subcontinent lead to, possibly, the largest instant emigration seen. The difference with the Palestinians lies in that in the case of both India and Pakistan the refugees were absorbed and settled into the community of the hosts, unlike the Palestinians since the issue continues indefinitely. Also in the Subcontinent the movement was largely voluntary, while in Palestine it was state sponsored terrorism leading to the exodus and repression.

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  • @Che Guava

    If your buffoonish state of Israel (extracting $ 10.000.000/per day, year after year, from the US citizenry pockets) had any aversion to terrorism, then the Israelis would not have been supporting ISIS with weaponry, intelligence, and medical care:
     
    Well said! You are a conscious person, Annamaria. As an external observer, I see how and cannot believe the massive theft from the US by Israel.

    Still, you must take care with numbers. In my view, the ugJy situation is ugly, but you overstate it in a strange way.

    Perhaps that was intended on your part?

    The $10,000 figure is roughly (higher now, if you do the arithmetic, I can't be bothered now) what all US people who pay tax are forced to pass to every man, woman, and child in Israel, every .year, not every day.

    ... and a free licence for Israel to steal any accessible tech secrets they want.

    That is obscene, but it is not 10,000 dollars per US person per day, as the wording in your post suggests.

    It is well over $10,000 for everyone in Israel, although I doubt that any of the cash flows to even loyalist Israeli Arabs.

    $10.000.000 means $10 millions

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    I see, I misread it because you used decimal points instead of commas or spaces as separators, and was tired, vision blurry, seeing the first as a comma, the second as a decimal point.

    Sorry. I know that notation for whole nunbers is common in parts of mainland western Europe, I am curious about how a decimal fraction is expressed in it.
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  • @annamaria
    For now the Friends of Israel and AIPAC have been "fortifying" against the US' and EU citizenry for the US&EU citizenry expense.
    If the Kagans' clan were serious about morals, they would not be promoting and supporting the neo-Nazi scum in Ukraine (see Nuland-Kagan fraternizing with open neo-Nazis): https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/
    If your buffoonish state of Israel (extracting $ 10.000.000/per day, year after year, from the US citizenry pockets) had any aversion to terrorism, then the Israelis would not have been supporting ISIS with weaponry, intelligence, and medical care: http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-military-admits-to-supporting-al-qaeda-and-isis-in-syria/5464484
    The state of Israel has been started by the closest cousin of Nazism - by Zionism, another supremacist ideology.
    There would have been just "normal" interest towards n the state of Israel if not the powerful and malicious influence of Israel-firsters on the US policies. The impetus for the ongoing mass slaughter in the Middle East should be attributed, to a large extend, to the ziocons whose maniacal quest for power was formulated by PNAC: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

    If your buffoonish state of Israel (extracting $ 10.000.000/per day, year after year, from the US citizenry pockets) had any aversion to terrorism, then the Israelis would not have been supporting ISIS with weaponry, intelligence, and medical care:

    Well said! You are a conscious person, Annamaria. As an external observer, I see how and cannot believe the massive theft from the US by Israel.

    Still, you must take care with numbers. In my view, the ugJy situation is ugly, but you overstate it in a strange way.

    Perhaps that was intended on your part?

    The $10,000 figure is roughly (higher now, if you do the arithmetic, I can’t be bothered now) what all US people who pay tax are forced to pass to every man, woman, and child in Israel, every .year, not every day.

    … and a free licence for Israel to steal any accessible tech secrets they want.

    That is obscene, but it is not 10,000 dollars per US person per day, as the wording in your post suggests.

    It is well over $10,000 for everyone in Israel, although I doubt that any of the cash flows to even loyalist Israeli Arabs.

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    $10.000.000 means $10 millions
    , @RobinG
    C.G., annamaria's wording is perfect. It is the collective citizenry she refers to, and Israel gets Ten Million US Tax Dollars per diem - (soon to be close to 15 million).

    This tribute money should be stopped. While Israel doesn't need it - it's a rich country - the symbolism is significant. The vote at the UN was okay, but cutting off the joy juice would be better.
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  • @Anonymous

    Nazi apologists will tell you – with a small element of truth – that there was some early encouragement for Zionism by Nazis.
     
    1. Zionism pre-dated the beginnings of Nazism by at least 40 years.

    2. Germans planted settlements in Palestine alongside zionist Jews, and apparently more successfully than zionist Jews, in the late 1800s and early 1900s. This can be known from Arthur Ruppin's letter to the zionists in Vienna, 1907. look it up.

    3. There was far more encouragement of Nazism by zionists than the other way around. This can be known from the biographies of Chaim Weizmann and of David Ben Gurion, and from the activities of the Mossad el-aliyeh bet in Germany - Central Europe from ~1917 onward, reaching a peak in ~1938.

    ----

    @ dearieme, 10. "Everything changed with Hitler, whose lunacy could not have been anticipated in 1917."

    If not Hitler and Nazis, then who would have come to power in Germany?
    Would Germany have continued in its deteriorated state -- economy failing, women, children and even men prostituting for food, politics chaotic, orphanages overburdened, broken war veterans living on the street, Stalin's Communist tools attempting to snare Germany in their web, Russian & Polish Jews pouring into Germany, overtaxing an already strained economy -- how long could that have gone on? What was the end game?

    Who was in the wings with a better solution?
    Why hadn't those persons in the wings come forward over Weimar's dozen-year reign?
    Leo Strauss was among the bright young ideologues with bright solutions to Weimar's problems; he vamoosed when he realized that the heavily Jewish Weimar project was, to borrow a phrase from Tod Lindberg at Cato Inst., "running out of steam."

    Wizard of Oz's scenario is fanciful and does not comport with the facts on the ground.
    History records that National Socialists DID "recover. . . from the Depression in the late 30s like in advance of- and more successfully than - other countries without having occupied the Rhineland etc."
    FDR, Churchill and zionists could not take Germany's success for an answer -- they were envious of Germany's Werner von Brauns and Arthur Rudolphs!

    Come to think of it, WizoOz sketched exactly why zionists needed and supported Hitler -- he was the perfect boogie man to induce fear to coerce reluctant German Jews to strike their tents and hie off to Palestine.
    We've all seen the pattern too many times -- Netanyahu elbowing himself into the French protest, then telling French Jews they should 'be very afraid' and flee to Israel is one blatant, if somewhat laughable example, but the failed gambit of equating Ahmadinejad with Hitler is even more instructive: the rhetoric was used to keep Jews in a perpetual state of fear and to deter the rest of the world from calling Israelis to account. Hitlerahmadinejad faded into the twilight via the relatively peaceful election in Iran in 2009, so a Plan B, or C or D had to be rolled out.

    There is too much history of zionist bad acts post-1945, and too much history of zionist bad acts well in advance of 1933, such that a sharply delineated pattern has emerged to define zionism. The old narratives of Hitler as bad guy has been stripped of its motive force. What zionists are doing today is consistent with zionist plans from at least as far back as 1880, if not a century earlier.

    These patterns and the zionist project did not emerge from Nazism; the fulfillment of a crucial stage of the zionist project depended upon the German nation reacting to a sustained pattern of zionist (and USA and British) provocations and maneuverings in ways that were partly predictable, and partly coerced, or gamed as unavoidable.

    Interesting comments. Could you please shed some light on Leo Strauss and the Jewish Weimar project. Is this the same Strauss who came to the USA?

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  • @Sherman
    "First-hand account of Zionist settlement in Palestine had already painted a picture of violent racial displacement".

    Huh?

    Jewish settlers bought their land from Arab landlords who were eager to sell them this land as nobody else wanted it.

    Jewish settlement did not lead to "violent racial displacement."

    By all accounts, Jewish settlement and development attracted Arabs (and they were called Arabs then, not "Palestinians") from throughout Palestine and the surrounding Arab lands (whose descendants are today's "indigenous Palestinians").

    There was a correlating growth in Arab population when there was Jewish settlement.

    "Dr. Paul Nathan....described Zionist settlers as... carrying on a campaign of terror modeled on Russian pogrom models"

    Dr. Nathan was not referring to Zionist settlement. He was criticizing internal squabbling and bullying within the Jewish establishment in Palestine over making Hebrew the official language of the Jewish community there.

    Nathan was, in fact, a strong supporter of Jewish settlement and development in Palestine.

    I've already found two outright lies and fabrications in Suarez's fairy tale. Let's see how many more there are.

    In fact the Arabs were being forced to sell their land. Though the Ottoman Empire had a notional control, the real power deciding Palestine’s running sat in Cairo aka the British. Egyptian nationalists of that time were fighting for themselves and for Palestine.

    As to the land buying I’m sure you know the details regarding the Agency buying the land. Money was given interest free courtesy of Rothschild. Further land once bought could not be sold to any indigenous Palestinians, Jew Muslim or Christian. Neither could the land be rented to any indigenous folks. Look up details or i can provide them.

    As we see apartheid hasn’t just been started as a result of Palestinians protest, it has always been baked into the Zionist project.

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    A few dates and a bit more detail please to substantiate "the Arabs were forced to sell their land". I have long understood that the purchases started with big purchases from ansentees who owned a lot of land near Jaffa and were glad to be bought out. I can well imagine that there might have been ninterstitial smallholdings which consequently became non-viable or deprived of something.
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  • @annamaria
    "Sarfatti wasn’t just one of Mussolini’s hundreds of lovers. The aristocratic, intellectual and ambitious wife of wealthy Zionist lawyer Cesare Sarfatti, and mother of their three children, did not only share her bed with Il Duce. She also helped him forge and implement the fascist idea; she contributed advice — and Sullivan says, money — to help organize the 1922 March on Rome in which Mussolini seized power. During those 20 years she was his eminence grise and unofficial ambassador, glorifying him in her 1925 biography that was translated into 18 languages."
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/books/1.628007

    Thank you, Annamaria.

    I had heard of Sarfatti before, having read many primary sources. It doesnt explain what happened in the missing years. Her connection comes later.

    Will be sticking to my theory, which is very probable.

    What Haaretz publishes in English and ‘ebrew is often not the same, not that I can read the artificial new ‘ebrew, nor the original. It is a confection, Aramaic and Greek were the common languages 2100 years ago, when there was still a Jewish state there, with a little Latin when required.

    Haaretz publishes many articles that would be of interest to goyim in invented ‘ebrew only.

    The article you sent me to was interesting.

    Most interesting thing, the ‘estate’ blocking access to documents from so long ago.

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  • @The Seer
    Even if all of this was true, which I very much doubt, I don't care.
    Palestinians are muslims. Islam is a pestilence. They can all be wiped out. I don't give a fleeting fuck...

    “They can all be wiped out.”
    Ah, a glimpse into a diseased soul.

    If the likes of you find Islam a pestilence, then it logically follows, that in it must be much good.

    All praises are due only to God.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    The basis for my speculation is that there were many poor Jews in Eastern Europe and many suffering in the aftermath of WW1 and during the depressed 30s from increased conflict with gentile neighbours or community. The fares wouldn't have been a deterrent as Rothshild and American Zionist money would presumably have continued to be available. And after all we are not talking about great numbers. The Arabs were provoked to revolt by quite small numbers.

    Furthermore, I expect that most Eastern European Jews would have preferred to go to the United States, not Palestine, if they were going to go anywhere. That is also where they would have been most likely to have family connections and a social network.

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    Yes, no doubt they would have often preferred to go to the US, but not all, and anyway you are forgetting the 1925 legislation, not reversed till 1965. Also the Zionists well financed ruthless determination if one believes the picture given by the article.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    The basis for my speculation is that there were many poor Jews in Eastern Europe and many suffering in the aftermath of WW1 and during the depressed 30s from increased conflict with gentile neighbours or community. The fares wouldn't have been a deterrent as Rothshild and American Zionist money would presumably have continued to be available. And after all we are not talking about great numbers. The Arabs were provoked to revolt by quite small numbers.

    These suppositions are tenuous. Too many maybes.

    Re Arab revolt:
    The first Arab revolt was in 1916, against the Ottoman Turks.
    The second Arab revolt was in 1936. The Palestinian Arabs were not fools.
    They could the direction things were trending. And the Z ionists were perfectly open in their aim to create a Zionist state. It was no secret.

    There were Palestinian intellectuals. They were not all “herdsmen,” etc. The Levantine Arab culture is sophisticated. You seem to underrate them. Going on numbers alone it would be equally silly for anyone to worry about a “takeover” of Europe by Muslims. Or, for that matter, about a “takeover” of U.S. domestic politics!

    Remember, too, that the Palestinian Arabs had many friends in high places in the British aristocracy and Whitehall, etc. They knew damn well what was planned for their country.

    Of course the Zionists were so obsessed with their project that, if the Holocaust had not come along to help them with their mythmaking, they would have figured out something else. With the help of their American friends.

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    I agree quite a bit. Particularly your comment that Levantine Arabs were not all herdsmen, but had education, elites, and a culture. The Zionist propaganda seems to dehumanise the Palestinians, and until recently they've been successful.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I am not sure why thiscis posed as opposing what I said.
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  • Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Were the French Resistance terrorists?
    Were the Polish Home Army terrorists?
    Were the female partigiane combattenti terrorists?

    There is a difference between using terror to displace an occupier as happened in Israel and using terror to terrorize a civilian population, like ISIS does.

    There is a difference between using terror to displace an occupier as happened in Israel and using terror to terrorize a civilian population, like ISIS does.

    One would find it rather strange if the Polish Home Army was fighting in the Ukraine on behalf of Polish refugees allowed to settle there by the Germans.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Caterina
    Geez... anti-Semitic and Racist much?!

    Any buffoon knows the Jewish State was formed along with many post-war Arab state boundaries. After the Holocaust, Jews needed a country, their own historic lands, to fortify against people like you.

    Geez… anti-Semitic and Racist much?!

    looked over your commenting history. talk about racist — you’ve got hate on for Muslims, Arabs, Blacks, Iranians. Congratulations on fastidiously hyphenating anti semitism, though; shows you know who butters your bread.

    Any buffoon knows the Jewish State was formed along with many post-war Arab state boundaries. After the Holocaust, Jews needed a country, their own historic lands, to fortify against people like you.

    After the Holocaust, Jews needed a country,

    totally ignorant and fact-free statement.

    Zionist Jews had been maneuvering for the “Jewish state” for over 70 years before they conned Churchill and Roosevelt into waging war on Germany to sow chaos and coerce Jews to migrate to Palestine.

    Zionist Jews had towns, banks, hospitals, government-like institutions, even a mansion for the soon-to-be first president, Chaim Weizmann, built and ready to go well before war broke out. Jews needed the war to sow chaos and make reluctant Jews flee to Palestine, to fulfill the zionist messianic fantasy.

    The German, Russian and Polish people (as well as Palestinian Arabs) paid the price of the zionist wet dream. They still are, with USA added to the mix.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>
    re annamaria @ 73 and

    “The state of Israel has been started by the closest cousin of Nazism – by Zionism, another supremacist ideology.”

    I disagree categorically.

    Nazism had more in common with Palestinians and their resistance than with zionism. Nazism was an attempt to nonviolently remove a corrosive element from German culture, an element that sought to exercise Jewish supremacy over the native (German) people.

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  • @Skeptikal
    What is the basis for this speculation?

    What is the evidence that suggests that a significant number of Eastern European Jews would have left their homes and emigrated into Palestine absent the chaos and genocide of WW2?

    My impression (from some memoirs I have read) is that it was pretty expensive to book passage to Palestine and complicated to get from one's home in Germany/Austria/Warsaw to a port whence a ship would be leaving.

    Also, things weren't that simple once one got there as an immigrant, if one didn't have connections in the (fairly small) community of those who had chosen to emigrate previously. Also, I think one needed an entry visa to get into Palestine under the Mandate. Which family members in Pal. could organize and pay for.

    On what basis do you claim that Jews from Eastern Europe, absent the war situation, would have been welcome in Palestine or would have been able to gain a toehold there?

    The basis for my speculation is that there were many poor Jews in Eastern Europe and many suffering in the aftermath of WW1 and during the depressed 30s from increased conflict with gentile neighbours or community. The fares wouldn’t have been a deterrent as Rothshild and American Zionist money would presumably have continued to be available. And after all we are not talking about great numbers. The Arabs were provoked to revolt by quite small numbers.

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    These suppositions are tenuous. Too many maybes.

    Re Arab revolt:
    The first Arab revolt was in 1916, against the Ottoman Turks.
    The second Arab revolt was in 1936. The Palestinian Arabs were not fools.
    They could the direction things were trending. And the Z ionists were perfectly open in their aim to create a Zionist state. It was no secret.

    There were Palestinian intellectuals. They were not all "herdsmen," etc. The Levantine Arab culture is sophisticated. You seem to underrate them. Going on numbers alone it would be equally silly for anyone to worry about a "takeover" of Europe by Muslims. Or, for that matter, about a "takeover" of U.S. domestic politics!

    Remember, too, that the Palestinian Arabs had many friends in high places in the British aristocracy and Whitehall, etc. They knew damn well what was planned for their country.

    Of course the Zionists were so obsessed with their project that, if the Holocaust had not come along to help them with their mythmaking, they would have figured out something else. With the help of their American friends.
    , @Skeptikal
    Furthermore, I expect that most Eastern European Jews would have preferred to go to the United States, not Palestine, if they were going to go anywhere. That is also where they would have been most likely to have family connections and a social network.
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  • @L.K
    Well, Jacques Sheete, 'sherman' is obviously lying... that is what sad little zionist liars do... they lie.
    In 1947, the zionists owned less than 7% of the land and represented only 30% of the population!


    Under Zionist pressure, the UN recommended giving away 55% of Palestine to a Jewish state – despite the fact that this group represented only about 30% of the total population, and owned under 7% of the land.
     
    For a detailed synopsis of the conflict, see http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/

    I remember learning with surprise in 2015 that there is very little ownership of land in Israel and there was also very little under Ottoman rule that was privately “owned” in a way similar to freehold title in common law countries. Maybe a total of 7 per cent. So what are you saying? What kind of ownership and evidences of ownership are you referring? And if Jews “owned” 7 per cent, who or what similarly owned the rest?

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  • @Caterina
    Geez... anti-Semitic and Racist much?!

    Any buffoon knows the Jewish State was formed along with many post-war Arab state boundaries. After the Holocaust, Jews needed a country, their own historic lands, to fortify against people like you.

    For now the Friends of Israel and AIPAC have been “fortifying” against the US’ and EU citizenry for the US&EU citizenry expense.
    If the Kagans’ clan were serious about morals, they would not be promoting and supporting the neo-Nazi scum in Ukraine (see Nuland-Kagan fraternizing with open neo-Nazis): https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/
    If your buffoonish state of Israel (extracting $ 10.000.000/per day, year after year, from the US citizenry pockets) had any aversion to terrorism, then the Israelis would not have been supporting ISIS with weaponry, intelligence, and medical care: http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-military-admits-to-supporting-al-qaeda-and-isis-in-syria/5464484
    The state of Israel has been started by the closest cousin of Nazism – by Zionism, another supremacist ideology.
    There would have been just “normal” interest towards n the state of Israel if not the powerful and malicious influence of Israel-firsters on the US policies. The impetus for the ongoing mass slaughter in the Middle East should be attributed, to a large extend, to the ziocons whose maniacal quest for power was formulated by PNAC: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

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    If your buffoonish state of Israel (extracting $ 10.000.000/per day, year after year, from the US citizenry pockets) had any aversion to terrorism, then the Israelis would not have been supporting ISIS with weaponry, intelligence, and medical care:
     
    Well said! You are a conscious person, Annamaria. As an external observer, I see how and cannot believe the massive theft from the US by Israel.

    Still, you must take care with numbers. In my view, the ugJy situation is ugly, but you overstate it in a strange way.

    Perhaps that was intended on your part?

    The $10,000 figure is roughly (higher now, if you do the arithmetic, I can't be bothered now) what all US people who pay tax are forced to pass to every man, woman, and child in Israel, every .year, not every day.

    ... and a free licence for Israel to steal any accessible tech secrets they want.

    That is obscene, but it is not 10,000 dollars per US person per day, as the wording in your post suggests.

    It is well over $10,000 for everyone in Israel, although I doubt that any of the cash flows to even loyalist Israeli Arabs.
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  • @Che Guava
    Very interesting article, Mr. Suarez. I knew of some of the historical facts you cite, but fewer than half of them. Thank you.

    Zionism is clearly the earliest form of fascistic or national socialist style ideology.

    Think that I have said it on this site before, but I have a pet theory that, during Mussolini's lost years in Switzerland, his transition from the socialist he was to the Duce he invented was inspired through contact with Zionists also there at the time.

    There is no proof either way, nobody can prove that I am right, nobody can prove that I am wrong. I do not assert my theory as true, only that it seems most probable

    Mussolini was a great inspiration to Hitler. The NSDAP had a further borrowing from, not Zionism, but Jewish Bolshevism, the parallel movement to Zionism, the fashion of much of the NSDAP in revolt, with remnants after it became the state (Gestapo in particular), is clearly based on that of Jewish commisars in the USSR, before Stalin tried some remedial action late in his act. Jackboots, black leather overcoats, and such.

    Einstein's world tour is very famous in Japan and, as everywhere else, everybody is supposed to forget that he toured not as a scientist, but as a Zionist, under the supervision of Chaim Weissman (my spelling may be wrong), his controller and companion on those voyages.

    “Sarfatti wasn’t just one of Mussolini’s hundreds of lovers. The aristocratic, intellectual and ambitious wife of wealthy Zionist lawyer Cesare Sarfatti, and mother of their three children, did not only share her bed with Il Duce. She also helped him forge and implement the fascist idea; she contributed advice — and Sullivan says, money — to help organize the 1922 March on Rome in which Mussolini seized power. During those 20 years she was his eminence grise and unofficial ambassador, glorifying him in her 1925 biography that was translated into 18 languages.”
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/books/1.628007

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    Thank you, Annamaria.

    I had heard of Sarfatti before, having read many primary sources. It doesnt explain what happened in the missing years. Her connection comes later.

    Will be sticking to my theory, which is very probable.

    What Haaretz publishes in English and 'ebrew is often not the same, not that I can read the artificial new 'ebrew, nor the original. It is a confection, Aramaic and Greek were the common languages 2100 years ago, when there was still a Jewish state there, with a little Latin when required.

    Haaretz publishes many articles that would be of interest to goyim in invented 'ebrew only.

    The article you sent me to was interesting.

    Most interesting thing, the 'estate' blocking access to documents from so long ago.
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  • OUCH!!! Zios still faking/fomenting anti-Semitism to justify Israel….

    http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2017/1/17/there-is-no-anti-semitism-in-britain

    “In the end of October (2016) we learned from the British Jewish media that Police were called to University College London (UCL) amid claims of common assault and verbal intimidation by “pro-Palestinian protestors” at an event with an Israeli speaker.

    We had to wait another three months for a single honest Jew (Jerry Lewis of Hampstead Synagogue) to admit in front of the notorious ultra Zionist BOD, that the event at UCL was actually provoked by Jewish groups that have nothing to do with the Jewish students community. At least one of those Jewish groups is funded by Israel according to Lewis. These groups invoke ‘hatred’ against Jews because this is how they justify their existence and sustain their funding.”

    There Is NO Anti Semitism in Britain!!!

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  • @Clearpoint
    Some questions...
    1. Why would the U.S. and Great Britain go along with the establishment of a Jewish state? The financial and political power of the Zionist establishment over key policy makers? Naivety and stupidity of our policy makers? Geopolitical reasons and the need to establish a dependable physical base of operations in the oil rich middle east? Or some other reasons?
    2. Clearly Zionists exert tremendous influence over U.S. policy making. Regarding Obama's recent move leading to the condemnation of Israeli settlements of Palestine by the U.N., have the Zionists overplayed their hand and are now finally due a comeuppance?
    3. Hillary seemed to be the one in bed with the Jewish lobbies and the big supporter of wars in the middle east, not Trump. Was this merely a deception to fool the voter? Was Trump really their #1 choice and Hillary the backup plan? Was Obama's condemnation merely the democratic party's revenge for the Zionists betraying them in the presidential election?
    4. Will this cycle of deception and shifting alliances with the Jewish elite ever end? Given geopolitical considerations, I have to believe that many policy makers may slowly be coming to the conclusion that continued support of Israel and the anti-semitic hogwash that comes with it is much more trouble than it's worth. Given the significant power of Jews in politics and law, money and banking, and media and entertainment, can our system be fixed to minimize their corrosive effect? Other countries seem to have minimized their power. Why haven't we?

    Geez… anti-Semitic and Racist much?!

    Any buffoon knows the Jewish State was formed along with many post-war Arab state boundaries. After the Holocaust, Jews needed a country, their own historic lands, to fortify against people like you.

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    For now the Friends of Israel and AIPAC have been "fortifying" against the US' and EU citizenry for the US&EU citizenry expense.
    If the Kagans' clan were serious about morals, they would not be promoting and supporting the neo-Nazi scum in Ukraine (see Nuland-Kagan fraternizing with open neo-Nazis): https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/
    If your buffoonish state of Israel (extracting $ 10.000.000/per day, year after year, from the US citizenry pockets) had any aversion to terrorism, then the Israelis would not have been supporting ISIS with weaponry, intelligence, and medical care: http://www.globalresearch.ca/israeli-military-admits-to-supporting-al-qaeda-and-isis-in-syria/5464484
    The state of Israel has been started by the closest cousin of Nazism - by Zionism, another supremacist ideology.
    There would have been just "normal" interest towards n the state of Israel if not the powerful and malicious influence of Israel-firsters on the US policies. The impetus for the ongoing mass slaughter in the Middle East should be attributed, to a large extend, to the ziocons whose maniacal quest for power was formulated by PNAC: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm
    , @Anonymous

    Geez… anti-Semitic and Racist much?!
     
    looked over your commenting history. talk about racist -- you've got hate on for Muslims, Arabs, Blacks, Iranians. Congratulations on fastidiously hyphenating anti semitism, though; shows you know who butters your bread.

    Any buffoon knows the Jewish State was formed along with many post-war Arab state boundaries. After the Holocaust, Jews needed a country, their own historic lands, to fortify against people like you.
     
    After the Holocaust, Jews needed a country,

    totally ignorant and fact-free statement.

    Zionist Jews had been maneuvering for the "Jewish state" for over 70 years before they conned Churchill and Roosevelt into waging war on Germany to sow chaos and coerce Jews to migrate to Palestine.

    Zionist Jews had towns, banks, hospitals, government-like institutions, even a mansion for the soon-to-be first president, Chaim Weizmann, built and ready to go well before war broke out. Jews needed the war to sow chaos and make reluctant Jews flee to Palestine, to fulfill the zionist messianic fantasy.

    The German, Russian and Polish people (as well as Palestinian Arabs) paid the price of the zionist wet dream. They still are, with USA added to the mix.


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    re annamaria @ 73 and


    "The state of Israel has been started by the closest cousin of Nazism – by Zionism, another supremacist ideology."
     
    I disagree categorically.

    Nazism had more in common with Palestinians and their resistance than with zionism. Nazism was an attempt to nonviolently remove a corrosive element from German culture, an element that sought to exercise Jewish supremacy over the native (German) people.

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  • Were the French Resistance terrorists?
    Were the Polish Home Army terrorists?
    Were the female partigiane combattenti terrorists?

    There is a difference between using terror to displace an occupier as happened in Israel and using terror to terrorize a civilian population, like ISIS does.

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    There is a difference between using terror to displace an occupier as happened in Israel and using terror to terrorize a civilian population, like ISIS does.

     

    One would find it rather strange if the Polish Home Army was fighting in the Ukraine on behalf of Polish refugees allowed to settle there by the Germans.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    The increasing Jewish immigration would have been from Eastern Europe until the Palestinian backlash and British attempt to restrict it.

    What is the basis for this speculation?

    What is the evidence that suggests that a significant number of Eastern European Jews would have left their homes and emigrated into Palestine absent the chaos and genocide of WW2?

    My impression (from some memoirs I have read) is that it was pretty expensive to book passage to Palestine and complicated to get from one’s home in Germany/Austria/Warsaw to a port whence a ship would be leaving.

    Also, things weren’t that simple once one got there as an immigrant, if one didn’t have connections in the (fairly small) community of those who had chosen to emigrate previously. Also, I think one needed an entry visa to get into Palestine under the Mandate. Which family members in Pal. could organize and pay for.

    On what basis do you claim that Jews from Eastern Europe, absent the war situation, would have been welcome in Palestine or would have been able to gain a toehold there?

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    The basis for my speculation is that there were many poor Jews in Eastern Europe and many suffering in the aftermath of WW1 and during the depressed 30s from increased conflict with gentile neighbours or community. The fares wouldn't have been a deterrent as Rothshild and American Zionist money would presumably have continued to be available. And after all we are not talking about great numbers. The Arabs were provoked to revolt by quite small numbers.
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  • @jacques sheete

    Jewish settlers bought their land from Arab landlords who were eager to sell them this land as nobody else wanted it.
     
    You need to provide evidence for your claim. I doubt much of it was purchased.

    The rest of your claims can be debunked by reading Uri Avnery's "1948." He was a front line soldier during that time.

    I love it when you guys recycle lies. Every time you do, you discredit your cause. So keep it up, please.

    Well, Jacques Sheete, ‘sherman’ is obviously lying… that is what sad little zionist liars do… they lie.
    In 1947, the zionists owned less than 7% of the land and represented only 30% of the population!

    Under Zionist pressure, the UN recommended giving away 55% of Palestine to a Jewish state – despite the fact that this group represented only about 30% of the total population, and owned under 7% of the land.

    For a detailed synopsis of the conflict, see http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/

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    I remember learning with surprise in 2015 that there is very little ownership of land in Israel and there was also very little under Ottoman rule that was privately "owned" in a way similar to freehold title in common law countries. Maybe a total of 7 per cent. So what are you saying? What kind of ownership and evidences of ownership are you referring? And if Jews "owned" 7 per cent, who or what similarly owned the rest?
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  • Very interesting article, Mr. Suarez. I knew of some of the historical facts you cite, but fewer than half of them. Thank you.

    Zionism is clearly the earliest form of fascistic or national socialist style ideology.

    Think that I have said it on this site before, but I have a pet theory that, during Mussolini’s lost years in Switzerland, his transition from the socialist he was to the Duce he invented was inspired through contact with Zionists also there at the time.

    There is no proof either way, nobody can prove that I am right, nobody can prove that I am wrong. I do not assert my theory as true, only that it seems most probable

    Mussolini was a great inspiration to Hitler. The NSDAP had a further borrowing from, not Zionism, but Jewish Bolshevism, the parallel movement to Zionism, the fashion of much of the NSDAP in revolt, with remnants after it became the state (Gestapo in particular), is clearly based on that of Jewish commisars in the USSR, before Stalin tried some remedial action late in his act. Jackboots, black leather overcoats, and such.

    Einstein’s world tour is very famous in Japan and, as everywhere else, everybody is supposed to forget that he toured not as a scientist, but as a Zionist, under the supervision of Chaim Weissman (my spelling may be wrong), his controller and companion on those voyages.

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    "Sarfatti wasn’t just one of Mussolini’s hundreds of lovers. The aristocratic, intellectual and ambitious wife of wealthy Zionist lawyer Cesare Sarfatti, and mother of their three children, did not only share her bed with Il Duce. She also helped him forge and implement the fascist idea; she contributed advice — and Sullivan says, money — to help organize the 1922 March on Rome in which Mussolini seized power. During those 20 years she was his eminence grise and unofficial ambassador, glorifying him in her 1925 biography that was translated into 18 languages."
    read more: http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/books/1.628007
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    As I have gone regularly to Sri Lanka for many yearsand never heard a whisper of the supposed Mossad involvement with the Tamils (or Sinhalese or my old acquaintance Lalith Athulathmudali) I was intrigued by the density of alleged fact in the www.whale.to piece you quoted and linked despite suspicious signs in it of fraudulence. However I think I have tracked down its authorship to one Alan Sabrosky who seems to be an established fantasist with no genuine credentials.

    The other link of course doesn't make any such extraordinary connection between suicide bombers and Mossad.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    As I have gone regularly to Sri Lanka for many yearsand never heard a whisper of the supposed Mossad involvement with the Tamils (or Sinhalese or my old acquaintance Lalith Athulathmudali) I was intrigued by the density of alleged fact in the www.whale.to piece you quoted and linked despite suspicious signs in it of fraudulence. However I think I have tracked down its authorship to one Alan Sabrosky who seems to be an established fantasist with no genuine credentials.

    The other link of course doesn't make any such extraordinary connection between suicide bombers and Mossad.

    I have; I get this information from my mother who worked with both SLA and (now) ex-Tigers. Granted you have no reason to believe me.

    Though I haven’t heard that suicide bombing was taught them by the Israelis, who don’t do that anyway.

    நீங்க தமிழ் பேசுரீங்களா?

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  • @utu
    "I have gone regularly to Sri Lanka for many years and never heard a whisper of the supposed Mossad involvement " - Perhaps reality is more like in Eco's Foucault's Pendulum. A fantasist may create it and it may become true what just was a prank or fantasy.

    I cited it because Tamil Tigers, suicide bombings and Israel were brought up in earlier discussion.

    Many years ago I watched the movie. It was fairly well made. It ends with an attempt of assassination on a figure similar to Rajiv Ghandi, I think. But we do not find out what the decision the suicide bomber girl takes.

    With the killing of Rajiv Gandhi, the LTTE lost the remaining cachet they had in Tamil Nadu, and were deservedly suppressed.

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    And hence perhaps Sinhalese fears as I recall one writer describing them as the only majority which behaves as though ot is a minority....

    The Tamils are generally better educated and were favoured by the colonial British. Things came to a head with a murderous campaign against Tamils launched by a chauvinistic government in the late 1970s. Many educated Tamils went abroad and largely supported the LTTE. But the LTTE turned out to be murderous gangsters themselves. Later in the 80s the Singhalese were convulsed in a fratricidal war among themselves. When I was in Sri Lanka transiting during the 80s I found the Singhalese and Tamils to be friendly people but the army was a bunch of ill-disciplined louts. Things must have changed considerably now and if the Mossad are operating there they should enjoy the many fine beaches.

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  • @Anonymous

    Nazi apologists will tell you – with a small element of truth – that there was some early encouragement for Zionism by Nazis.
     
    1. Zionism pre-dated the beginnings of Nazism by at least 40 years.

    2. Germans planted settlements in Palestine alongside zionist Jews, and apparently more successfully than zionist Jews, in the late 1800s and early 1900s. This can be known from Arthur Ruppin's letter to the zionists in Vienna, 1907. look it up.

    3. There was far more encouragement of Nazism by zionists than the other way around. This can be known from the biographies of Chaim Weizmann and of David Ben Gurion, and from the activities of the Mossad el-aliyeh bet in Germany - Central Europe from ~1917 onward, reaching a peak in ~1938.

    ----

    @ dearieme, 10. "Everything changed with Hitler, whose lunacy could not have been anticipated in 1917."

    If not Hitler and Nazis, then who would have come to power in Germany?
    Would Germany have continued in its deteriorated state -- economy failing, women, children and even men prostituting for food, politics chaotic, orphanages overburdened, broken war veterans living on the street, Stalin's Communist tools attempting to snare Germany in their web, Russian & Polish Jews pouring into Germany, overtaxing an already strained economy -- how long could that have gone on? What was the end game?

    Who was in the wings with a better solution?
    Why hadn't those persons in the wings come forward over Weimar's dozen-year reign?
    Leo Strauss was among the bright young ideologues with bright solutions to Weimar's problems; he vamoosed when he realized that the heavily Jewish Weimar project was, to borrow a phrase from Tod Lindberg at Cato Inst., "running out of steam."

    Wizard of Oz's scenario is fanciful and does not comport with the facts on the ground.
    History records that National Socialists DID "recover. . . from the Depression in the late 30s like in advance of- and more successfully than - other countries without having occupied the Rhineland etc."
    FDR, Churchill and zionists could not take Germany's success for an answer -- they were envious of Germany's Werner von Brauns and Arthur Rudolphs!

    Come to think of it, WizoOz sketched exactly why zionists needed and supported Hitler -- he was the perfect boogie man to induce fear to coerce reluctant German Jews to strike their tents and hie off to Palestine.
    We've all seen the pattern too many times -- Netanyahu elbowing himself into the French protest, then telling French Jews they should 'be very afraid' and flee to Israel is one blatant, if somewhat laughable example, but the failed gambit of equating Ahmadinejad with Hitler is even more instructive: the rhetoric was used to keep Jews in a perpetual state of fear and to deter the rest of the world from calling Israelis to account. Hitlerahmadinejad faded into the twilight via the relatively peaceful election in Iran in 2009, so a Plan B, or C or D had to be rolled out.

    There is too much history of zionist bad acts post-1945, and too much history of zionist bad acts well in advance of 1933, such that a sharply delineated pattern has emerged to define zionism. The old narratives of Hitler as bad guy has been stripped of its motive force. What zionists are doing today is consistent with zionist plans from at least as far back as 1880, if not a century earlier.

    These patterns and the zionist project did not emerge from Nazism; the fulfillment of a crucial stage of the zionist project depended upon the German nation reacting to a sustained pattern of zionist (and USA and British) provocations and maneuverings in ways that were partly predictable, and partly coerced, or gamed as unavoidable.

    Germans planted settlements in Palestine alongside zionist Jews, and apparently more successfully than zionist Jews, in the late 1800s and early 1900s. This can be known from Arthur Ruppin’s letter to the zionists in Vienna, 1907. look it up.

    The heart of Zionism is Big Jew Rothschild banking. Zionist Israel was created to be a safe place for Big Jew banker money away from Gentile governments.

    Little Jews are just convenient fodder for the Big Jews. They are not free to join the human race.

    Little Jews are the must used people on the planet. From birth they are conditioned to support the Big Jews in their greedy immorality. In the end they always suffer the consequences of the Big Jews deeds. How sad – how predictable. It has happened over and over in human history.

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  • @Johann Ricke

    “His father wasn’t murdered”. Can you elaborate a bit more on the circumstances? Where was he killed and in what circumstances? In or outside the UN designated boundaries of the Zionist entity? In uniform? Defending his home? Etc.
     
    When asked in 1988 how he could call himself a follower of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. if he did not condemn violence, he answered that he was "more pragmatic than they were."
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2090 This guy is a wad of contradictions. He's a pacifist in the sense that a BBQ rib aficionado is a vegan who eats meat.

    Thank you for sharing this excellent, if dated, link! Good history and quotes.

    “Palestinian armed struggle against the occupation is both morally and legally legitimate.”
    “For the Palestinians who are living in the West Bank and Gaza during this period, the most effective strategy is one of non-violence.”

    It might have taken me ages to find this without you, and I probably wouldn’t have tried. So thanks again. Now I have more respect for Awad than I got from his Sunday School stories. Not that there’s anything wrong with non-violence, but it’s good to know he’s also a realist. Too bad the link to the 2002 Princeton speech doesn’t work, but here’s your site again:

    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2090

    PS to Wizzie: he didn’t answer your questions because he can’t, certainly not from this piece, which only alludes to the Zio creation myth of ‘Arabs attacking’…

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    As I have gone regularly to Sri Lanka for many yearsand never heard a whisper of the supposed Mossad involvement with the Tamils (or Sinhalese or my old acquaintance Lalith Athulathmudali) I was intrigued by the density of alleged fact in the www.whale.to piece you quoted and linked despite suspicious signs in it of fraudulence. However I think I have tracked down its authorship to one Alan Sabrosky who seems to be an established fantasist with no genuine credentials.

    The other link of course doesn't make any such extraordinary connection between suicide bombers and Mossad.

    “I have gone regularly to Sri Lanka for many years and never heard a whisper of the supposed Mossad involvement ” – Perhaps reality is more like in Eco’s Foucault’s Pendulum. A fantasist may create it and it may become true what just was a prank or fantasy.

    I cited it because Tamil Tigers, suicide bombings and Israel were brought up in earlier discussion.

    Many years ago I watched the movie. It was fairly well made. It ends with an attempt of assassination on a figure similar to Rajiv Ghandi, I think. But we do not find out what the decision the suicide bomber girl takes.

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    With the killing of Rajiv Gandhi, the LTTE lost the remaining cachet they had in Tamil Nadu, and were deservedly suppressed.
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  • @Blake

    So indispensable that it …. didn’t happen, the Arab population was increasing the whole time through natural growth and immigration.
     
    The worlds largest/longest suffering refugee population happened.

    That is all the time you are worthy of for showing no remorse or empathy to the Palestinian plight.

    Palestinians are probably the longest suffering large refugee population still in temporary accommodation without a new homeland. But hardly the largest even if one counts all the descendants. There would have been far more in Europe as a result of WW2 and the consequences of the partition of India shouldn’t be forgotten. Nor the exodus to Taiwan in 1949.

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    I agree that the Partition of the Subcontinent lead to, possibly, the largest instant emigration seen. The difference with the Palestinians lies in that in the case of both India and Pakistan the refugees were absorbed and settled into the community of the hosts, unlike the Palestinians since the issue continues indefinitely. Also in the Subcontinent the movement was largely voluntary, while in Palestine it was state sponsored terrorism leading to the exodus and repression.
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  • @iffen
    Well, the likelihood of compensation is fading day by day, even so, I think that the displaced tenant farmers should be at the head of the line.

    Yes, there are a few problems about compensation for someone who was 40 when dispossessed in 1948 and is now represented by 5 surviving children, 40 surviving grandchildren and 40 great-grandchildren, none of whom have ever farmed.

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  • @Johann Ricke

    “His father wasn’t murdered”. Can you elaborate a bit more on the circumstances? Where was he killed and in what circumstances? In or outside the UN designated boundaries of the Zionist entity? In uniform? Defending his home? Etc.
     
    When asked in 1988 how he could call himself a follower of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. if he did not condemn violence, he answered that he was "more pragmatic than they were."
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2090 This guy is a wad of contradictions. He's a pacifist in the sense that a BBQ rib aficionado is a vegan who eats meat.

    I surmise that you don’t think well of him and am happy to have provided occasion for your thoughts to be aired. But would someone care to answer my questions?

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  • @Ivan
    That "source" is indulging in fabrications. LTTE employed suicide bombers from at least 1981 onwards which can be easily checked. The main Indian interest in Sri Lanka was to ensure that it did not spill over into the Indian state of Tamil Nadu just across the sea. To that end the Indians negotiated a ceasefire between the LTTE and the Sri Lankan government and lost about 800 soldiers at the hands of the LTTE before giving up. The land called Eelam in northern Sri Lanka that the LTTE controlled is too small to be viable without being associated with Tamil Nadu hence the Indian fears.

    And hence perhaps Sinhalese fears as I recall one writer describing them as the only majority which behaves as though ot is a minority….

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    The Tamils are generally better educated and were favoured by the colonial British. Things came to a head with a murderous campaign against Tamils launched by a chauvinistic government in the late 1970s. Many educated Tamils went abroad and largely supported the LTTE. But the LTTE turned out to be murderous gangsters themselves. Later in the 80s the Singhalese were convulsed in a fratricidal war among themselves. When I was in Sri Lanka transiting during the 80s I found the Singhalese and Tamils to be friendly people but the army was a bunch of ill-disciplined louts. Things must have changed considerably now and if the Mossad are operating there they should enjoy the many fine beaches.
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  • @Skeptikal
    " what might have happened if Hitler had not become Chancellor and Germany was just recovering from the Depression in the late 30s like other countries without having occupied the Rhineland etc. There would have been violent Palestinian objections to increasing Jewish immigration a"

    Not sure I follow you here. Absent Hitler, or a Hitlerian regime of some kind, there would not have been "increasing Jewish immigration" to Palestine. At least, not from Germany, which is what we are talking about. Most German Jews were not supporters of the Zionist project and were quite happy to continue to assimilate in Germany. Of course there were a few who supported the idea of emigrating to Palestine (and that was what it was called). But not a lot. Those who read German can read quite a lot of interesting debate on this issue in the 1931 Berlin Jewish Address Book.

    The increasing Jewish immigration would have been from Eastern Europe until the Palestinian backlash and British attempt to restrict it.

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    What is the basis for this speculation?

    What is the evidence that suggests that a significant number of Eastern European Jews would have left their homes and emigrated into Palestine absent the chaos and genocide of WW2?

    My impression (from some memoirs I have read) is that it was pretty expensive to book passage to Palestine and complicated to get from one's home in Germany/Austria/Warsaw to a port whence a ship would be leaving.

    Also, things weren't that simple once one got there as an immigrant, if one didn't have connections in the (fairly small) community of those who had chosen to emigrate previously. Also, I think one needed an entry visa to get into Palestine under the Mandate. Which family members in Pal. could organize and pay for.

    On what basis do you claim that Jews from Eastern Europe, absent the war situation, would have been welcome in Palestine or would have been able to gain a toehold there?

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  • @utu
    Where Tamil Tigers got the idea about suicide bombing?

    Sri Lanka civil war and Mossad connection
    http://www.whale.to/c/mossad_in_sri_lanka.html

    "We know from sources other than Ostrovsky that shortly after the war broke out in Sri Lanka, Mossad approached a group of officers from India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW, which is India’s equivalent to the CIA). In July 1984 this inner RAW circle arranged with Mossad to send Tamils to Israel for commando training. Mossad paid the RAW team for this by setting up accounts for them in the BCCI bank. (More about this below.) The Tamil commandoes that went to Israel became known as the TELO. They are separate from the main Tamil rebels, known as the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam).

    Meanwhile the Jews simultaneously trained the Tamils’ enemies (the Singhalese) in Israel, but did not tell the main Tamil army, or the main Indian government, or anyone else. In Israel they kept both Goy groups apart. The Jewish purpose for this, as always, was to fan the war to a fever pitch, and make a fortune as the Goyim kill each other."

    Film about Tamil Tigers' woman suicide bomber
    The Terrorist (1997 film)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrorist_(1997_film)

    As I have gone regularly to Sri Lanka for many yearsand never heard a whisper of the supposed Mossad involvement with the Tamils (or Sinhalese or my old acquaintance Lalith Athulathmudali) I was intrigued by the density of alleged fact in the http://www.whale.to piece you quoted and linked despite suspicious signs in it of fraudulence. However I think I have tracked down its authorship to one Alan Sabrosky who seems to be an established fantasist with no genuine credentials.

    The other link of course doesn’t make any such extraordinary connection between suicide bombers and Mossad.

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    "I have gone regularly to Sri Lanka for many years and never heard a whisper of the supposed Mossad involvement " - Perhaps reality is more like in Eco's Foucault's Pendulum. A fantasist may create it and it may become true what just was a prank or fantasy.

    I cited it because Tamil Tigers, suicide bombings and Israel were brought up in earlier discussion.

    Many years ago I watched the movie. It was fairly well made. It ends with an attempt of assassination on a figure similar to Rajiv Ghandi, I think. But we do not find out what the decision the suicide bomber girl takes.
    , @Anon
    I have; I get this information from my mother who worked with both SLA and (now) ex-Tigers. Granted you have no reason to believe me.

    Though I haven't heard that suicide bombing was taught them by the Israelis, who don't do that anyway.

    நீங்க தமிழ் பேசுரீங்களா?

    , @Anon

    or Sinhalese
     
    From the Island, which is the government rag: http://www.island.lk/index.php?page_cat=article-details&page=article-details&code_title=81746
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Yes, but it is interesting in the light of this article to consider what might have happened if Hitler had not become Chancellor and Germany was just recovering from the Depression in the late 30s like other countries without having occupied the Rhineland etc. There would have been violent Palestinian objections to increasing Jewish immigration and then a restriction on the level of such immigration as actually occurred. Then, in a peaceful world would the Zionists have resorted to terrorism? There would probably have been such a weight of Jewish objection to that in Europe and America that only a trickle of immigration to Palestine would have occurred and the state of Israel would at best have got off the ground as some kind of self-governing province in a Palestinian confederate state. Would some Zionists have tried generating anti-Semitism as pressure to emigrate by terrorist outrages? Possibly, but counterproductively in our counterfactual world.

    ” what might have happened if Hitler had not become Chancellor and Germany was just recovering from the Depression in the late 30s like other countries without having occupied the Rhineland etc. There would have been violent Palestinian objections to increasing Jewish immigration a”

    Not sure I follow you here. Absent Hitler, or a Hitlerian regime of some kind, there would not have been “increasing Jewish immigration” to Palestine. At least, not from Germany, which is what we are talking about. Most German Jews were not supporters of the Zionist project and were quite happy to continue to assimilate in Germany. Of course there were a few who supported the idea of emigrating to Palestine (and that was what it was called). But not a lot. Those who read German can read quite a lot of interesting debate on this issue in the 1931 Berlin Jewish Address Book.

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    The increasing Jewish immigration would have been from Eastern Europe until the Palestinian backlash and British attempt to restrict it.
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    "His father wasn't murdered". Can you elaborate a bit more on the circumstances? Where was he killed and in what circumstances? In or outside the UN designated boundaries of the Zionist entity? In uniform? Defending his home? Etc.

    “His father wasn’t murdered”. Can you elaborate a bit more on the circumstances? Where was he killed and in what circumstances? In or outside the UN designated boundaries of the Zionist entity? In uniform? Defending his home? Etc.

    When asked in 1988 how he could call himself a follower of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. if he did not condemn violence, he answered that he was “more pragmatic than they were.”
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2090 This guy is a wad of contradictions. He’s a pacifist in the sense that a BBQ rib aficionado is a vegan who eats meat.

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    I surmise that you don't think well of him and am happy to have provided occasion for your thoughts to be aired. But would someone care to answer my questions?
    , @RobinG
    Thank you for sharing this excellent, if dated, link! Good history and quotes.

    "Palestinian armed struggle against the occupation is both morally and legally legitimate.”
    “For the Palestinians who are living in the West Bank and Gaza during this period, the most effective strategy is one of non-violence."
     
    It might have taken me ages to find this without you, and I probably wouldn't have tried. So thanks again. Now I have more respect for Awad than I got from his Sunday School stories. Not that there's anything wrong with non-violence, but it's good to know he's also a realist. Too bad the link to the 2002 Princeton speech doesn't work, but here's your site again:
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2090

    PS to Wizzie: he didn't answer your questions because he can't, certainly not from this piece, which only alludes to the Zio creation myth of 'Arabs attacking'...
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  • @utu
    Where Tamil Tigers got the idea about suicide bombing?

    Sri Lanka civil war and Mossad connection
    http://www.whale.to/c/mossad_in_sri_lanka.html

    "We know from sources other than Ostrovsky that shortly after the war broke out in Sri Lanka, Mossad approached a group of officers from India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW, which is India’s equivalent to the CIA). In July 1984 this inner RAW circle arranged with Mossad to send Tamils to Israel for commando training. Mossad paid the RAW team for this by setting up accounts for them in the BCCI bank. (More about this below.) The Tamil commandoes that went to Israel became known as the TELO. They are separate from the main Tamil rebels, known as the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam).

    Meanwhile the Jews simultaneously trained the Tamils’ enemies (the Singhalese) in Israel, but did not tell the main Tamil army, or the main Indian government, or anyone else. In Israel they kept both Goy groups apart. The Jewish purpose for this, as always, was to fan the war to a fever pitch, and make a fortune as the Goyim kill each other."

    Film about Tamil Tigers' woman suicide bomber
    The Terrorist (1997 film)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrorist_(1997_film)

    That “source” is indulging in fabrications. LTTE employed suicide bombers from at least 1981 onwards which can be easily checked. The main Indian interest in Sri Lanka was to ensure that it did not spill over into the Indian state of Tamil Nadu just across the sea. To that end the Indians negotiated a ceasefire between the LTTE and the Sri Lankan government and lost about 800 soldiers at the hands of the LTTE before giving up. The land called Eelam in northern Sri Lanka that the LTTE controlled is too small to be viable without being associated with Tamil Nadu hence the Indian fears.

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    And hence perhaps Sinhalese fears as I recall one writer describing them as the only majority which behaves as though ot is a minority....
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  • @Wizard of Oz
    I don't know whether you have found outright lies. You say so but without documenation and I always tend to look for something more nuanced than lies if there are differences over facts and interpretation.

    I haven't had a chance to put this piece to extremely well informed Jewish friends whom I trust but I do find it disturbing. It doesn't make me doubt the Holocaust (including gas chambers) or the legitimacy of Jews in the 19th century aspiring to move to Palestine or the idea in a world of rising nationalisms that the proposal that there should be a national home for people identifying as Jews was reasonable However the violence and disingenuity that was used to disposess long term and more recently arrived Palestinian Arabs wasn't it seems adequately excused and explained by post 1933 events and it is surely time that Jews with a conscience about what has been done to the Palestinians should be shown at least the respect that valiant Jewish lawyers winning land rights for Aborigines get in Australia. (It makes one think of displacement activity for those not quite brave enough to lend their considerable talents to helping disposessed Palestinians). Of course the demographics are appalling and can't be solved on any time frame so long as Israel remains a Jewish state and doesn't grant Palestinians adequate homeland space even to form a confederacy of Bantustans all modeled on Singapore and Hong Kong.

    All hasbarists religiously believe in the magic ‘gas chambers’, impossible as they are.

    Much as they believe in the parting of the Red Sea. Laughable as that is.

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    The ’6,000,000 Jews’ lie and the laughing Mexican:

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    No need to exaggerate. I don't find any reference to suicide bombing. Though it is unsettling to read of radicalising education which would appear to be the equivalent of what turns out Muslim suicide bombers. Which prompts a question about suicide bombers and others (usually young) who are equivalently careless of their lives...

    Where does the motivation come from? With the Tamils in Sri Lanka I have speculated that they have the equivalent to Muslim paradise after death in reincarnation but I suspect that is because I simply lack the imagination (or at my age memory) for really intense tribal or team spirit. The question indeed seems to be one for psychology rather than educational theory or religion. Still I wonder why we don't see old people decked in medals and using a walking frame waiting to be close enough to the President/PM/Chancellor/Chief of Staff and then blowing them both up or firing a poison dart into the enemy leader.

    The over populating world is much more than a threat to our great grandchildren's enjoyment of the natural world. It is threatened by a surplus of young males (particularly males) reared in Africa in the Middle East while the West degenerates in quality and quantity. Israel, like it or not, is doing better than any part of Europe in facing that reality.

    Bad things occur in wars of any kind. The Zionists though have managed to present themselves as some kind of godly creatures whereas their enemies are presented as irrational animals fit only to be herded into pens. It is the level of lying that irritates me since at one time I swallowed the Zionist line, with hook and sinker.

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  • @Anonymous
    Zionism is to Judaism what ISIS is to Islam.

    BOTH zionism, a monstrous aberration of the project of civilization, and ISIS,* were and are aided and abetted by good and pious Anglo Christians and Catholics.

    *Zionism and ISIS are distinguished only in that zionism is a century-old project while ISIS is a recent phenomenon.

    also -- this account of the essentially terroristic nature Jewish zionism is deeply flawed in its pervasive references to Nazis and holocaust. The zionist project, and the intent and practice of ethnic removal of Arabs from Palestine, were well underway decades before Nazism was imagined, much less realized. Nazism was a short-term reaction to the zionist (and Bolshevik) threat to the German state -- more similar to Palestinian resistance than to zionist aggression.
    Further, as a simple check of the calendar reveals, "the holocaust" as an event "unique in all of history" became that unique event only in the late-1960s, after the trial and extermination of Adolf Eichmann, and Israel's victory in the 1967 war (with attendant murder of 34 US sailors on USS Liberty, and the intimidation of L B Johnson in the face of that slaughter).

    Zionism is not a form of Nazism, it is its own, unique monstrosity.

    See the laughable Eichmann Show Trial debated & debunked here:

    http://forum.codoh.com/

    also visit:

    http://www.codoh.com

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

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  • @Sherman
    "First-hand account of Zionist settlement in Palestine had already painted a picture of violent racial displacement".

    Huh?

    Jewish settlers bought their land from Arab landlords who were eager to sell them this land as nobody else wanted it.

    Jewish settlement did not lead to "violent racial displacement."

    By all accounts, Jewish settlement and development attracted Arabs (and they were called Arabs then, not "Palestinians") from throughout Palestine and the surrounding Arab lands (whose descendants are today's "indigenous Palestinians").

    There was a correlating growth in Arab population when there was Jewish settlement.

    "Dr. Paul Nathan....described Zionist settlers as... carrying on a campaign of terror modeled on Russian pogrom models"

    Dr. Nathan was not referring to Zionist settlement. He was criticizing internal squabbling and bullying within the Jewish establishment in Palestine over making Hebrew the official language of the Jewish community there.

    Nathan was, in fact, a strong supporter of Jewish settlement and development in Palestine.

    I've already found two outright lies and fabrications in Suarez's fairy tale. Let's see how many more there are.

    Jewish settlers bought their land from Arab landlords who were eager to sell them this land as nobody else wanted it.

    You need to provide evidence for your claim. I doubt much of it was purchased.

    The rest of your claims can be debunked by reading Uri Avnery’s “1948.” He was a front line soldier during that time.

    I love it when you guys recycle lies. Every time you do, you discredit your cause. So keep it up, please.

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    Well, Jacques Sheete, 'sherman' is obviously lying... that is what sad little zionist liars do... they lie.
    In 1947, the zionists owned less than 7% of the land and represented only 30% of the population!


    Under Zionist pressure, the UN recommended giving away 55% of Palestine to a Jewish state – despite the fact that this group represented only about 30% of the total population, and owned under 7% of the land.
     
    For a detailed synopsis of the conflict, see http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/
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  • @dearieme
    "The Balfour Declaration, in which the British gave away other people’s land": nope. They couldn't give it away because it still belonged to the Ottoman Empire. Eventually they got the League of Nations mandate for it, and then went ahead with the BD scheme. Everything changed with Hitler, whose lunacy could not have been anticipated in 1917.

    Everything changed with Hitler, whose lunacy

    Hitler was a lunatic? Since when? Why recycle tired, obsolete propaganda?

    But I suppose it was lunacy to try and save the German people from the threats of Bolshevism including its bastard brats, Leninism and Stalinism, and Brit and French competition.

    “Revisionism as applied to World War II and its origins (as also for previous wars) has the general function of bringing historical truth to an American and a world public that had been drugged by wartime lies and propaganda.

    The least of the lessons that revisionism can teach has already been thoroughly learned ( ed: by a select few): that Germany and Japan are not uniquely “aggressor nations,” doomed from birth to menace the peace of the world. The larger lessons have, unfortunately, yet to be learned.”
    Now revisionism teaches us that this entire myth, so prevalent then and even now about Hitler, and about the Japanese, is a tissue of fallacies from beginning to end. Every plank in this nightmare evidence is either completely untrue or not entirely the truth.

    If people should learn this intellectual fraud about Hitler’s Germany, then they will begin to ask questions, and searching questions…”

    Murray Rothbard, Revisionism for Our Times, 1966. Note: This gentleman was also Jewish.

    http://mises.org/daily/2592

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  • @Sherman
    "First-hand account of Zionist settlement in Palestine had already painted a picture of violent racial displacement".

    Huh?

    Jewish settlers bought their land from Arab landlords who were eager to sell them this land as nobody else wanted it.

    Jewish settlement did not lead to "violent racial displacement."

    By all accounts, Jewish settlement and development attracted Arabs (and they were called Arabs then, not "Palestinians") from throughout Palestine and the surrounding Arab lands (whose descendants are today's "indigenous Palestinians").

    There was a correlating growth in Arab population when there was Jewish settlement.

    "Dr. Paul Nathan....described Zionist settlers as... carrying on a campaign of terror modeled on Russian pogrom models"

    Dr. Nathan was not referring to Zionist settlement. He was criticizing internal squabbling and bullying within the Jewish establishment in Palestine over making Hebrew the official language of the Jewish community there.

    Nathan was, in fact, a strong supporter of Jewish settlement and development in Palestine.

    I've already found two outright lies and fabrications in Suarez's fairy tale. Let's see how many more there are.

    I don’t know whether you have found outright lies. You say so but without documenation and I always tend to look for something more nuanced than lies if there are differences over facts and interpretation.

    I haven’t had a chance to put this piece to extremely well informed Jewish friends whom I trust but I do find it disturbing. It doesn’t make me doubt the Holocaust (including gas chambers) or the legitimacy of Jews in the 19th century aspiring to move to Palestine or the idea in a world of rising nationalisms that the proposal that there should be a national home for people identifying as Jews was reasonable However the violence and disingenuity that was used to disposess long term and more recently arrived Palestinian Arabs wasn’t it seems adequately excused and explained by post 1933 events and it is surely time that Jews with a conscience about what has been done to the Palestinians should be shown at least the respect that valiant Jewish lawyers winning land rights for Aborigines get in Australia. (It makes one think of displacement activity for those not quite brave enough to lend their considerable talents to helping disposessed Palestinians). Of course the demographics are appalling and can’t be solved on any time frame so long as Israel remains a Jewish state and doesn’t grant Palestinians adequate homeland space even to form a confederacy of Bantustans all modeled on Singapore and Hong Kong.

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    All hasbarists religiously believe in the magic 'gas chambers', impossible as they are.

    Much as they believe in the parting of the Red Sea. Laughable as that is.


    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com
     
    The '6,000,000 Jews' lie and the laughing Mexican:

    https://youtu.be/nxbV3RsyQwI

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    No need to exaggerate. I don't find any reference to suicide bombing. Though it is unsettling to read of radicalising education which would appear to be the equivalent of what turns out Muslim suicide bombers. Which prompts a question about suicide bombers and others (usually young) who are equivalently careless of their lives...

    Where does the motivation come from? With the Tamils in Sri Lanka I have speculated that they have the equivalent to Muslim paradise after death in reincarnation but I suspect that is because I simply lack the imagination (or at my age memory) for really intense tribal or team spirit. The question indeed seems to be one for psychology rather than educational theory or religion. Still I wonder why we don't see old people decked in medals and using a walking frame waiting to be close enough to the President/PM/Chancellor/Chief of Staff and then blowing them both up or firing a poison dart into the enemy leader.

    The over populating world is much more than a threat to our great grandchildren's enjoyment of the natural world. It is threatened by a surplus of young males (particularly males) reared in Africa in the Middle East while the West degenerates in quality and quantity. Israel, like it or not, is doing better than any part of Europe in facing that reality.

    Where Tamil Tigers got the idea about suicide bombing?

    Sri Lanka civil war and Mossad connection

    http://www.whale.to/c/mossad_in_sri_lanka.html

    “We know from sources other than Ostrovsky that shortly after the war broke out in Sri Lanka, Mossad approached a group of officers from India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW, which is India’s equivalent to the CIA). In July 1984 this inner RAW circle arranged with Mossad to send Tamils to Israel for commando training. Mossad paid the RAW team for this by setting up accounts for them in the BCCI bank. (More about this below.) The Tamil commandoes that went to Israel became known as the TELO. They are separate from the main Tamil rebels, known as the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam).

    Meanwhile the Jews simultaneously trained the Tamils’ enemies (the Singhalese) in Israel, but did not tell the main Tamil army, or the main Indian government, or anyone else. In Israel they kept both Goy groups apart. The Jewish purpose for this, as always, was to fan the war to a fever pitch, and make a fortune as the Goyim kill each other.”

    Film about Tamil Tigers’ woman suicide bomber
    The Terrorist (1997 film)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrorist_(1997_film)

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    That "source" is indulging in fabrications. LTTE employed suicide bombers from at least 1981 onwards which can be easily checked. The main Indian interest in Sri Lanka was to ensure that it did not spill over into the Indian state of Tamil Nadu just across the sea. To that end the Indians negotiated a ceasefire between the LTTE and the Sri Lankan government and lost about 800 soldiers at the hands of the LTTE before giving up. The land called Eelam in northern Sri Lanka that the LTTE controlled is too small to be viable without being associated with Tamil Nadu hence the Indian fears.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    As I have gone regularly to Sri Lanka for many yearsand never heard a whisper of the supposed Mossad involvement with the Tamils (or Sinhalese or my old acquaintance Lalith Athulathmudali) I was intrigued by the density of alleged fact in the www.whale.to piece you quoted and linked despite suspicious signs in it of fraudulence. However I think I have tracked down its authorship to one Alan Sabrosky who seems to be an established fantasist with no genuine credentials.

    The other link of course doesn't make any such extraordinary connection between suicide bombers and Mossad.
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  • @SolontoCroesus

    Students at Italian high schools included Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s autobiography Mein Kampf in recently-compiled lists of their top ten favorite books, The Local reported on Thursday.

    Italian Education Ministry official Alessandro Fusacchia was quoted as calling the students’ choice a “particularly nasty case.” According to Fusacchia, students had been asked to pick from books by Italian authors that were published after 2000.

    “We are looking into it, but we are convinced that it was not a bad interpretation of the request, but rather a free choice,” he said.

    Earlier this year, the Italian newspaper Il Giornale faced criticism after it distributed free copies of an annotated version of Mein Kampf.

    As reported in The Algemeiner, a 2,000-page, two-volume annotated version of Mein Kampf was published in January by Munich’s Institute for Contemporary History after a 70-year copyright held by the German state of Bavaria expired. At the time, the institute said the new version “seeks to thoroughly deconstruct Hitler’s propaganda in a lasting manner.”
     

    tee hee.

    2000 pages. 2 volumes. "seeks to thoroughly rewrite Hitler's own writing -- er, " thoroughly deconstruct Hitler’s propaganda in a lasting manner."

    What are they afraid of -- that people might think and make up their own minds about who was a psychopath and who was a propagandist and who was a super-nationalist leader of his country?

    Mein Kampf is 500 or 600 pages.

    There's an online version, the first complete US translation, prepared in 1939 by New School for Social Research (which was almost totally Jewish at the time) that runs almost 1500 pages. For example, pages 4-5 contains about 180 words by Hitler, and about 500 words of annotation.

    The annotators' introduction explains that they felt they had to point out to innocent Americans how evil this propagandistic text was, since they wouldn't understand the ins- and outs of European geopolitics (especially since the largest majority of US population in 1939 was of German origin and German was almost a second language in USA /s).

    Annotators took pains to divorce themselves from nasty racist discourse, which is a real howler, given that one of the major problems the CIA's post-war psychological warfare operatives (mostly Jewish, according to Cora Sol Goldstein in "Capturing the German Eye") encountered was the charge of Hypocrisy!, relative to US military -- and domestic -- treatment of Negroes, which had been on display to German citizens and soldiers throughout US presence in Germany. Thus, psychological warfare operatives were forced to ameliorate their vicious treatment of post-war Germans in order to present a happier face to the scornful German population. iow, American Blacks were partly responsible for US psychological warfare operatives cleaning up their act. A bit.

    It's particularly ironic that the author of this piece is seeking Justice for Germans in response to a film that valorizes Black people.

    Interesting point about the Germans noticing the way black American soldiers were treated though I wold have expected to have had it mentioned by the Germans I lived with many years ago in Hesse. However you lost me in your last par.

    What author of what piece?

    Your link to Justice for Germans only got me to a blogger known as Wayne from Canada who appears to have been born in the 50s or early 60s to German parents and to one Lady Michele Renouf (sic) who seems to be an attractive and moderately talented fantasist. What’s all that about? What’s your point?

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  • @Art
    Hey Sherm,

    WOW man --- You must be worried --- 200 words in this comment.

    That’s a lot for you. Take a break – go to the Palestinian’s beach!

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Your screeching victimization words are falling on death ears – people are no longer believing them – they know you ways.

    “Palestinian’s” should be “Palestinians’”.

    Sherm

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  • @Gabriel M

    In their behind-the-scenes meetings, Weizmann and Rothschild treated the ethnic cleansing of non-Jewish Palestinians as indispensable to their plans
     
    So indispensable that it .... didn't happen, the Arab population was increasing the whole time through natural growth and immigration. But then, of course, the "behind-the-scenes meetings" are just things the author made up after telling us - the lady doth protest too much - that everything is based on "sources".


    Before Svigor jumps in to say how much he agrees with this article, I'll flag up this quote

    One need look no further than the satisfaction among many Zionists today at the true anti-Semitism of the incoming US administration of Donald Trump,
     
    But, of course, the Stormfag chorus will explain how everything the Left says is lies, except about Israel.

    So indispensable that it …. didn’t happen, the Arab population was increasing the whole time through natural growth and immigration.

    The worlds largest/longest suffering refugee population happened.

    That is all the time you are worthy of for showing no remorse or empathy to the Palestinian plight.

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    Palestinians are probably the longest suffering large refugee population still in temporary accommodation without a new homeland. But hardly the largest even if one counts all the descendants. There would have been far more in Europe as a result of WW2 and the consequences of the partition of India shouldn't be forgotten. Nor the exodus to Taiwan in 1949.
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  • @joe webb
    I don't pay much attention to this stuff anymore as it is old news. However I recommend to folks who want info on Israel..Benny Morris' book on the Israel/Palestine matter: Righteous Victims.

    Is this book considered good still?

    I seem to recall that Morris faced a lot of criticism from Jews. I think he said something like, let us not lie about the foundation of Israel, we had to commit these crimes to found the zionist state.

    something like that , JW

    I think later in life Morris changed his tune.

    Also this:

    Zionism in the age of the dictators by Lenni Brenner

    https://archive.org/details/ZionismInTheAgeOfTheDictators

    The Seventh Million: The Israelis and the Holocaust by Tom Segev

    Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years by Israel Shahak

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz
    If you are going to make up stuff for publication you should get someone to run a critical eye over it for pĺausibility

    Immediately you would not utter such nonsense as Zionism being a threat to the German state to which Nazism was a reaction. You aren't on message. Nazi apologists will tell you - with a small element of truth - that there was some early encouragement for Zionism by Nazis.

    Then your ISIS-Zionism comparison would run into trouble - not only trying to back up your assertions of Christian support for ISIS but your equating a perverted religious movement with a largely secular race based one.

    Nazi apologists will tell you – with a small element of truth – that there was some early encouragement for Zionism by Nazis.

    1. Zionism pre-dated the beginnings of Nazism by at least 40 years.

    2. Germans planted settlements in Palestine alongside zionist Jews, and apparently more successfully than zionist Jews, in the late 1800s and early 1900s. This can be known from Arthur Ruppin’s letter to the zionists in Vienna, 1907. look it up.

    3. There was far more encouragement of Nazism by zionists than the other way around. This can be known from the biographies of Chaim Weizmann and of David Ben Gurion, and from the activities of the Mossad el-aliyeh bet in Germany – Central Europe from ~1917 onward, reaching a peak in ~1938.

    —-

    @ dearieme, 10. “Everything changed with Hitler, whose lunacy could not have been anticipated in 1917.”

    If not Hitler and Nazis, then who would have come to power in Germany?
    Would Germany have continued in its deteriorated state — economy failing, women, children and even men prostituting for food, politics chaotic, orphanages overburdened, broken war veterans living on the street, Stalin’s Communist tools attempting to snare Germany in their web, Russian & Polish Jews pouring into Germany, overtaxing an already strained economy — how long could that have gone on? What was the end game?

    Who was in the wings with a better solution?
    Why hadn’t those persons in the wings come forward over Weimar’s dozen-year reign?
    Leo Strauss was among the bright young ideologues with bright solutions to Weimar’s problems; he vamoosed when he realized that the heavily Jewish Weimar project was, to borrow a phrase from Tod Lindberg at Cato Inst., “running out of steam.”

    Wizard of Oz’s scenario is fanciful and does not comport with the facts on the ground.
    History records that National Socialists DID “recover. . . from the Depression in the late 30s like in advance of- and more successfully than - other countries without having occupied the Rhineland etc.”
    FDR, Churchill and zionists could not take Germany’s success for an answer — they were envious of Germany’s Werner von Brauns and Arthur Rudolphs!

    Come to think of it, WizoOz sketched exactly why zionists needed and supported Hitler — he was the perfect boogie man to induce fear to coerce reluctant German Jews to strike their tents and hie off to Palestine.
    We’ve all seen the pattern too many times — Netanyahu elbowing himself into the French protest, then telling French Jews they should ‘be very afraid’ and flee to Israel is one blatant, if somewhat laughable example, but the failed gambit of equating Ahmadinejad with Hitler is even more instructive: the rhetoric was used to keep Jews in a perpetual state of fear and to deter the rest of the world from calling Israelis to account. Hitlerahmadinejad faded into the twilight via the relatively peaceful election in Iran in 2009, so a Plan B, or C or D had to be rolled out.

    There is too much history of zionist bad acts post-1945, and too much history of zionist bad acts well in advance of 1933, such that a sharply delineated pattern has emerged to define zionism. The old narratives of Hitler as bad guy has been stripped of its motive force. What zionists are doing today is consistent with zionist plans from at least as far back as 1880, if not a century earlier.

    These patterns and the zionist project did not emerge from Nazism; the fulfillment of a crucial stage of the zionist project depended upon the German nation reacting to a sustained pattern of zionist (and USA and British) provocations and maneuverings in ways that were partly predictable, and partly coerced, or gamed as unavoidable.

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    Germans planted settlements in Palestine alongside zionist Jews, and apparently more successfully than zionist Jews, in the late 1800s and early 1900s. This can be known from Arthur Ruppin’s letter to the zionists in Vienna, 1907. look it up.
     
    The heart of Zionism is Big Jew Rothschild banking. Zionist Israel was created to be a safe place for Big Jew banker money away from Gentile governments.

    Little Jews are just convenient fodder for the Big Jews. They are not free to join the human race.

    Little Jews are the must used people on the planet. From birth they are conditioned to support the Big Jews in their greedy immorality. In the end they always suffer the consequences of the Big Jews deeds. How sad - how predictable. It has happened over and over in human history.

    Peace --- Art
    , @raphee
    Interesting comments. Could you please shed some light on Leo Strauss and the Jewish Weimar project. Is this the same Strauss who came to the USA?
    , @Didi
    When Israel became a state the following joke began to be told. There were joyous demonstrations in the German kibbutz Naharia. People had made spanners and placards reading "Israel schon gut aber Naharia bleibt Deutsch"!
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  • @Sherman
    "First-hand account of Zionist settlement in Palestine had already painted a picture of violent racial displacement".

    Huh?

    Jewish settlers bought their land from Arab landlords who were eager to sell them this land as nobody else wanted it.

    Jewish settlement did not lead to "violent racial displacement."

    By all accounts, Jewish settlement and development attracted Arabs (and they were called Arabs then, not "Palestinians") from throughout Palestine and the surrounding Arab lands (whose descendants are today's "indigenous Palestinians").

    There was a correlating growth in Arab population when there was Jewish settlement.

    "Dr. Paul Nathan....described Zionist settlers as... carrying on a campaign of terror modeled on Russian pogrom models"

    Dr. Nathan was not referring to Zionist settlement. He was criticizing internal squabbling and bullying within the Jewish establishment in Palestine over making Hebrew the official language of the Jewish community there.

    Nathan was, in fact, a strong supporter of Jewish settlement and development in Palestine.

    I've already found two outright lies and fabrications in Suarez's fairy tale. Let's see how many more there are.

    Hey Sherm,

    WOW man — You must be worried — 200 words in this comment.

    That’s a lot for you. Take a break – go to the Palestinian’s beach!

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Your screeching victimization words are falling on death ears – people are no longer believing them – they know you ways.

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    "Palestinian's" should be "Palestinians'".

    Sherm

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  • @Wizard of Oz
    Yes, I have been disposed to make the buying of land argument somewhat naively but it is interesting to note the objection un a rich country like Australia to foreign land/farm/teal estate purchases. How very understandable then that relatively poor local Arabs would have been alarmed by the weight of money behind Zionists' land purchases.

    Well, the likelihood of compensation is fading day by day, even so, I think that the displaced tenant farmers should be at the head of the line.

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    Yes, there are a few problems about compensation for someone who was 40 when dispossessed in 1948 and is now represented by 5 surviving children, 40 surviving grandchildren and 40 great-grandchildren, none of whom have ever farmed.
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  • @Agent76
    Jan. 24, 2009 How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

    Moshav Tekuma, Israel Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous, stupid mistake" made 30 years ago.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

    Jul 4, 2012 Hamas, An Israeli Creation

    Ron Paul alludes to the fact that Israel helped to spawn Hamas in order to weaken the then immensely popular and secular PLO.

    http://youtu.be/cehzmAfC6w0

    Can you copy and paste the linked WSJ piece which requires a subscription.

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  • @iffen
    we don’t support a racist, colonialist aggressor entity

    At least not since we stopped being one.

    What is the Hebrew for “The only good Injun is a dead Injun”?

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  • @Gabriel M

    Yesterday at church, the guest speaker for our Mid-East Committee was Mubarak Awad. A Greek Orthodox Christian, he was 5 years old in 1948 when the Zionists murdered his father,
     
    You need more !!!!!!!!

    His father wasn't murdered, he died fighting a war. Get a grip.


    but of course most of us have never heard of him

     

    Most of use have never heard of most people. Awad has a reasonable life teaching in a an American university. His voice hasn't been suppressed, he just hasn't been very successful persuading his fellow Palestinians to embrace the whole non-violence thingy.

    “His father wasn’t murdered”. Can you elaborate a bit more on the circumstances? Where was he killed and in what circumstances? In or outside the UN designated boundaries of the Zionist entity? In uniform? Defending his home? Etc.

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    “His father wasn’t murdered”. Can you elaborate a bit more on the circumstances? Where was he killed and in what circumstances? In or outside the UN designated boundaries of the Zionist entity? In uniform? Defending his home? Etc.
     
    When asked in 1988 how he could call himself a follower of Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. if he did not condemn violence, he answered that he was "more pragmatic than they were."
    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2090 This guy is a wad of contradictions. He's a pacifist in the sense that a BBQ rib aficionado is a vegan who eats meat.
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  • Even if all of this was true, which I very much doubt, I don’t care.
    Palestinians are muslims. Islam is a pestilence. They can all be wiped out. I don’t give a fleeting fuck…

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    "They can all be wiped out."
    Ah, a glimpse into a diseased soul.

    If the likes of you find Islam a pestilence, then it logically follows, that in it must be much good.

    All praises are due only to God.
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  • @bunga
    In 1989 Benjamin Netanyahu told students at Bar-Ilan University:

    “Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories.” WILL YOUMANS (is a 3rd year law student at University of California, Berkeley.)

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2002/10/09/israel-s-plans-to-quot-transfer-quot-palestinians/

    Transfers by eventual force and murder after initial gentlemanly request by Zionist to vacate their homes and void any rights on their lands ( and always rejected by Arab Palestinian ) were the staple of the Jewish machinery of the illegal movement in Palestine from 1912 onwards always using the distraction of the world wide turmoil . Iraq Libya Syria fit the bill that China did in 1989 and WW1 did in 20th century and British defeat did in WW2

    Your link is onteresting but can you provide a more authoritative source for that purported quote of Netanyahu? It may be well known and embarrassing to people like the Jewish community leader who said firmly to me in 1997 that Netanyahu was a man of no judgment.

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  • @Sherman
    You made a couple of mistakes.

    You left out "ziocon" and "Kagans" from your rant.

    Then point to these mistakes. Lets look up at my post again:
    “At least you are not able to refute the well-documented supremacist foundations of Zionism, as well as the rock-solid evidences for Zionist terrorism. The righteous Jews (many perished during the WWII) and the zionist scum belong to very different subgroups — similar to the worst among Nazis that did not represent, in the least, the best among the German people.”
    and
    “Unfortunately for the US, the bad Jewish kind (and they are invariably Israel-firsters) has been firmly in charge of the US policies.”
    Which part is particularly irritating for you? Should I list the authors of PNAC and to mention Wolfowitz, Ledeen, Feith, Ashton Carter and such? Should I evoke the standing ovations for Bibi by the Congress (why such an adoration towards a leader of a tiny criminal state that has been extracting some $10 million/per day from the US, year after year?) What about the disgusting treatment of Helene Thompson by the presstituting scoundrels?
    There are decent Jewish people, some of them belong to the best of humanity, and there are those that are Jewish scum of the earth.

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  • @bunga
    I disagree with your assertion " Jewish settlers bought their land from Arab landlords who were eager to sell them this land as nobody else wanted it. "
    Not with the facts but the way it was done Ottoman empire was already weakened in this part of ME Lands would be bought and be "legalized " not in Ottoman courts but in courts powered and imposed by European powers .

    But I wont debate and dwell on it . Let's focus on the buying of lands by Chinese Brazilian Russian and Indian , buying of factories, buying of condos. Now try to declare a Chinese country in BC of Canada or Polish one in IL or Irish country in Boston or Chinese Homeland in CA . Try it .

    Yes, I have been disposed to make the buying of land argument somewhat naively but it is interesting to note the objection un a rich country like Australia to foreign land/farm/teal estate purchases. How very understandable then that relatively poor local Arabs would have been alarmed by the weight of money behind Zionists’ land purchases.

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    Well, the likelihood of compensation is fading day by day, even so, I think that the displaced tenant farmers should be at the head of the line.
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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Clearpoint
    Some questions...
    1. Why would the U.S. and Great Britain go along with the establishment of a Jewish state? The financial and political power of the Zionist establishment over key policy makers? Naivety and stupidity of our policy makers? Geopolitical reasons and the need to establish a dependable physical base of operations in the oil rich middle east? Or some other reasons?
    2. Clearly Zionists exert tremendous influence over U.S. policy making. Regarding Obama's recent move leading to the condemnation of Israeli settlements of Palestine by the U.N., have the Zionists overplayed their hand and are now finally due a comeuppance?
    3. Hillary seemed to be the one in bed with the Jewish lobbies and the big supporter of wars in the middle east, not Trump. Was this merely a deception to fool the voter? Was Trump really their #1 choice and Hillary the backup plan? Was Obama's condemnation merely the democratic party's revenge for the Zionists betraying them in the presidential election?
    4. Will this cycle of deception and shifting alliances with the Jewish elite ever end? Given geopolitical considerations, I have to believe that many policy makers may slowly be coming to the conclusion that continued support of Israel and the anti-semitic hogwash that comes with it is much more trouble than it's worth. Given the significant power of Jews in politics and law, money and banking, and media and entertainment, can our system be fixed to minimize their corrosive effect? Other countries seem to have minimized their power. Why haven't we?

    Given the significant power of Jews in politics and law, money and banking, and media and entertainment, can our system be fixed to minimize their corrosive effect? Other countries seem to have minimized their power. Why haven’t we?

    Name those “countries that have minimized [Jewish] power,” and the price paid.

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  • @dearieme
    "The Balfour Declaration, in which the British gave away other people’s land": nope. They couldn't give it away because it still belonged to the Ottoman Empire. Eventually they got the League of Nations mandate for it, and then went ahead with the BD scheme. Everything changed with Hitler, whose lunacy could not have been anticipated in 1917.

    Yes, but it is interesting in the light of this article to consider what might have happened if Hitler had not become Chancellor and Germany was just recovering from the Depression in the late 30s like other countries without having occupied the Rhineland etc. There would have been violent Palestinian objections to increasing Jewish immigration and then a restriction on the level of such immigration as actually occurred. Then, in a peaceful world would the Zionists have resorted to terrorism? There would probably have been such a weight of Jewish objection to that in Europe and America that only a trickle of immigration to Palestine would have occurred and the state of Israel would at best have got off the ground as some kind of self-governing province in a Palestinian confederate state. Would some Zionists have tried generating anti-Semitism as pressure to emigrate by terrorist outrages? Possibly, but counterproductively in our counterfactual world.

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    " what might have happened if Hitler had not become Chancellor and Germany was just recovering from the Depression in the late 30s like other countries without having occupied the Rhineland etc. There would have been violent Palestinian objections to increasing Jewish immigration a"

    Not sure I follow you here. Absent Hitler, or a Hitlerian regime of some kind, there would not have been "increasing Jewish immigration" to Palestine. At least, not from Germany, which is what we are talking about. Most German Jews were not supporters of the Zionist project and were quite happy to continue to assimilate in Germany. Of course there were a few who supported the idea of emigrating to Palestine (and that was what it was called). But not a lot. Those who read German can read quite a lot of interesting debate on this issue in the 1931 Berlin Jewish Address Book.
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  • @SolontoCroesus

    Students at Italian high schools included Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s autobiography Mein Kampf in recently-compiled lists of their top ten favorite books, The Local reported on Thursday.

    Italian Education Ministry official Alessandro Fusacchia was quoted as calling the students’ choice a “particularly nasty case.” According to Fusacchia, students had been asked to pick from books by Italian authors that were published after 2000.

    “We are looking into it, but we are convinced that it was not a bad interpretation of the request, but rather a free choice,” he said.

    Earlier this year, the Italian newspaper Il Giornale faced criticism after it distributed free copies of an annotated version of Mein Kampf.

    As reported in The Algemeiner, a 2,000-page, two-volume annotated version of Mein Kampf was published in January by Munich’s Institute for Contemporary History after a 70-year copyright held by the German state of Bavaria expired. At the time, the institute said the new version “seeks to thoroughly deconstruct Hitler’s propaganda in a lasting manner.”
     

    tee hee.

    2000 pages. 2 volumes. "seeks to thoroughly rewrite Hitler's own writing -- er, " thoroughly deconstruct Hitler’s propaganda in a lasting manner."

    What are they afraid of -- that people might think and make up their own minds about who was a psychopath and who was a propagandist and who was a super-nationalist leader of his country?

    Mein Kampf is 500 or 600 pages.

    There's an online version, the first complete US translation, prepared in 1939 by New School for Social Research (which was almost totally Jewish at the time) that runs almost 1500 pages. For example, pages 4-5 contains about 180 words by Hitler, and about 500 words of annotation.

    The annotators' introduction explains that they felt they had to point out to innocent Americans how evil this propagandistic text was, since they wouldn't understand the ins- and outs of European geopolitics (especially since the largest majority of US population in 1939 was of German origin and German was almost a second language in USA /s).

    Annotators took pains to divorce themselves from nasty racist discourse, which is a real howler, given that one of the major problems the CIA's post-war psychological warfare operatives (mostly Jewish, according to Cora Sol Goldstein in "Capturing the German Eye") encountered was the charge of Hypocrisy!, relative to US military -- and domestic -- treatment of Negroes, which had been on display to German citizens and soldiers throughout US presence in Germany. Thus, psychological warfare operatives were forced to ameliorate their vicious treatment of post-war Germans in order to present a happier face to the scornful German population. iow, American Blacks were partly responsible for US psychological warfare operatives cleaning up their act. A bit.

    It's particularly ironic that the author of this piece is seeking Justice for Germans in response to a film that valorizes Black people.

    Now, what was that part about your parents teaching you to respect Jews?

    :)

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  • @Anonymous
    Zionism is to Judaism what ISIS is to Islam.

    BOTH zionism, a monstrous aberration of the project of civilization, and ISIS,* were and are aided and abetted by good and pious Anglo Christians and Catholics.

    *Zionism and ISIS are distinguished only in that zionism is a century-old project while ISIS is a recent phenomenon.

    also -- this account of the essentially terroristic nature Jewish zionism is deeply flawed in its pervasive references to Nazis and holocaust. The zionist project, and the intent and practice of ethnic removal of Arabs from Palestine, were well underway decades before Nazism was imagined, much less realized. Nazism was a short-term reaction to the zionist (and Bolshevik) threat to the German state -- more similar to Palestinian resistance than to zionist aggression.
    Further, as a simple check of the calendar reveals, "the holocaust" as an event "unique in all of history" became that unique event only in the late-1960s, after the trial and extermination of Adolf Eichmann, and Israel's victory in the 1967 war (with attendant murder of 34 US sailors on USS Liberty, and the intimidation of L B Johnson in the face of that slaughter).

    Zionism is not a form of Nazism, it is its own, unique monstrosity.

    If you are going to make up stuff for publication you should get someone to run a critical eye over it for pĺausibility

    Immediately you would not utter such nonsense as Zionism being a threat to the German state to which Nazism was a reaction. You aren’t on message. Nazi apologists will tell you – with a small element of truth – that there was some early encouragement for Zionism by Nazis.

    Then your ISIS-Zionism comparison would run into trouble – not only trying to back up your assertions of Christian support for ISIS but your equating a perverted religious movement with a largely secular race based one.

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    Nazi apologists will tell you – with a small element of truth – that there was some early encouragement for Zionism by Nazis.
     
    1. Zionism pre-dated the beginnings of Nazism by at least 40 years.

    2. Germans planted settlements in Palestine alongside zionist Jews, and apparently more successfully than zionist Jews, in the late 1800s and early 1900s. This can be known from Arthur Ruppin's letter to the zionists in Vienna, 1907. look it up.

    3. There was far more encouragement of Nazism by zionists than the other way around. This can be known from the biographies of Chaim Weizmann and of David Ben Gurion, and from the activities of the Mossad el-aliyeh bet in Germany - Central Europe from ~1917 onward, reaching a peak in ~1938.

    ----

    @ dearieme, 10. "Everything changed with Hitler, whose lunacy could not have been anticipated in 1917."

    If not Hitler and Nazis, then who would have come to power in Germany?
    Would Germany have continued in its deteriorated state -- economy failing, women, children and even men prostituting for food, politics chaotic, orphanages overburdened, broken war veterans living on the street, Stalin's Communist tools attempting to snare Germany in their web, Russian & Polish Jews pouring into Germany, overtaxing an already strained economy -- how long could that have gone on? What was the end game?

    Who was in the wings with a better solution?
    Why hadn't those persons in the wings come forward over Weimar's dozen-year reign?
    Leo Strauss was among the bright young ideologues with bright solutions to Weimar's problems; he vamoosed when he realized that the heavily Jewish Weimar project was, to borrow a phrase from Tod Lindberg at Cato Inst., "running out of steam."

    Wizard of Oz's scenario is fanciful and does not comport with the facts on the ground.
    History records that National Socialists DID "recover. . . from the Depression in the late 30s like in advance of- and more successfully than - other countries without having occupied the Rhineland etc."
    FDR, Churchill and zionists could not take Germany's success for an answer -- they were envious of Germany's Werner von Brauns and Arthur Rudolphs!

    Come to think of it, WizoOz sketched exactly why zionists needed and supported Hitler -- he was the perfect boogie man to induce fear to coerce reluctant German Jews to strike their tents and hie off to Palestine.
    We've all seen the pattern too many times -- Netanyahu elbowing himself into the French protest, then telling French Jews they should 'be very afraid' and flee to Israel is one blatant, if somewhat laughable example, but the failed gambit of equating Ahmadinejad with Hitler is even more instructive: the rhetoric was used to keep Jews in a perpetual state of fear and to deter the rest of the world from calling Israelis to account. Hitlerahmadinejad faded into the twilight via the relatively peaceful election in Iran in 2009, so a Plan B, or C or D had to be rolled out.

    There is too much history of zionist bad acts post-1945, and too much history of zionist bad acts well in advance of 1933, such that a sharply delineated pattern has emerged to define zionism. The old narratives of Hitler as bad guy has been stripped of its motive force. What zionists are doing today is consistent with zionist plans from at least as far back as 1880, if not a century earlier.

    These patterns and the zionist project did not emerge from Nazism; the fulfillment of a crucial stage of the zionist project depended upon the German nation reacting to a sustained pattern of zionist (and USA and British) provocations and maneuverings in ways that were partly predictable, and partly coerced, or gamed as unavoidable.
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  • @Ivan
    It is interesting that the Zionists had used every despicable tactic that they later accused the Arabs of engaging in. Using children as combatants - check, suicide bombing - check, firing into crowds of civilians - check. But some terrorists are more equal than others.

    No need to exaggerate. I don’t find any reference to suicide bombing. Though it is unsettling to read of radicalising education which would appear to be the equivalent of what turns out Muslim suicide bombers. Which prompts a question about suicide bombers and others (usually young) who are equivalently careless of their lives…

    Where does the motivation come from? With the Tamils in Sri Lanka I have speculated that they have the equivalent to Muslim paradise after death in reincarnation but I suspect that is because I simply lack the imagination (or at my age memory) for really intense tribal or team spirit. The question indeed seems to be one for psychology rather than educational theory or religion. Still I wonder why we don’t see old people decked in medals and using a walking frame waiting to be close enough to the President/PM/Chancellor/Chief of Staff and then blowing them both up or firing a poison dart into the enemy leader.

    The over populating world is much more than a threat to our great grandchildren’s enjoyment of the natural world. It is threatened by a surplus of young males (particularly males) reared in Africa in the Middle East while the West degenerates in quality and quantity. Israel, like it or not, is doing better than any part of Europe in facing that reality.

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    Where Tamil Tigers got the idea about suicide bombing?

    Sri Lanka civil war and Mossad connection
    http://www.whale.to/c/mossad_in_sri_lanka.html

    "We know from sources other than Ostrovsky that shortly after the war broke out in Sri Lanka, Mossad approached a group of officers from India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW, which is India’s equivalent to the CIA). In July 1984 this inner RAW circle arranged with Mossad to send Tamils to Israel for commando training. Mossad paid the RAW team for this by setting up accounts for them in the BCCI bank. (More about this below.) The Tamil commandoes that went to Israel became known as the TELO. They are separate from the main Tamil rebels, known as the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam).

    Meanwhile the Jews simultaneously trained the Tamils’ enemies (the Singhalese) in Israel, but did not tell the main Tamil army, or the main Indian government, or anyone else. In Israel they kept both Goy groups apart. The Jewish purpose for this, as always, was to fan the war to a fever pitch, and make a fortune as the Goyim kill each other."

    Film about Tamil Tigers' woman suicide bomber
    The Terrorist (1997 film)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Terrorist_(1997_film)
    , @Ivan
    Bad things occur in wars of any kind. The Zionists though have managed to present themselves as some kind of godly creatures whereas their enemies are presented as irrational animals fit only to be herded into pens. It is the level of lying that irritates me since at one time I swallowed the Zionist line, with hook and sinker.
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  • Some questions…
    1. Why would the U.S. and Great Britain go along with the establishment of a Jewish state? The financial and political power of the Zionist establishment over key policy makers? Naivety and stupidity of our policy makers? Geopolitical reasons and the need to establish a dependable physical base of operations in the oil rich middle east? Or some other reasons?
    2. Clearly Zionists exert tremendous influence over U.S. policy making. Regarding Obama’s recent move leading to the condemnation of Israeli settlements of Palestine by the U.N., have the Zionists overplayed their hand and are now finally due a comeuppance?
    3. Hillary seemed to be the one in bed with the Jewish lobbies and the big supporter of wars in the middle east, not Trump. Was this merely a deception to fool the voter? Was Trump really their #1 choice and Hillary the backup plan? Was Obama’s condemnation merely the democratic party’s revenge for the Zionists betraying them in the presidential election?
    4. Will this cycle of deception and shifting alliances with the Jewish elite ever end? Given geopolitical considerations, I have to believe that many policy makers may slowly be coming to the conclusion that continued support of Israel and the anti-semitic hogwash that comes with it is much more trouble than it’s worth. Given the significant power of Jews in politics and law, money and banking, and media and entertainment, can our system be fixed to minimize their corrosive effect? Other countries seem to have minimized their power. Why haven’t we?

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    Given the significant power of Jews in politics and law, money and banking, and media and entertainment, can our system be fixed to minimize their corrosive effect? Other countries seem to have minimized their power. Why haven’t we?
     
    Name those "countries that have minimized [Jewish] power," and the price paid.
    , @Caterina
    Geez... anti-Semitic and Racist much?!

    Any buffoon knows the Jewish State was formed along with many post-war Arab state boundaries. After the Holocaust, Jews needed a country, their own historic lands, to fortify against people like you.
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  • @annamaria
    At least you are not able to refute the well-documented supremacist foundations of Zionism as well as the rock-solid evidences for Zionist terrorism.
    The righteous Jews (many perished during the WWII) and the zionist scum belong to very different subgroups -- similar to the worst among Nazis that did not represent, in the least, the best among the German people. Unfortunately for the US, the bad Jewish kind (and they are invariably Israel-firsters) has been firmly in charge of the US policies. See the results

    You made a couple of mistakes.

    You left out “ziocon” and “Kagans” from your rant.

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    Then point to these mistakes. Lets look up at my post again:
    "At least you are not able to refute the well-documented supremacist foundations of Zionism, as well as the rock-solid evidences for Zionist terrorism. The righteous Jews (many perished during the WWII) and the zionist scum belong to very different subgroups — similar to the worst among Nazis that did not represent, in the least, the best among the German people."
    and
    "Unfortunately for the US, the bad Jewish kind (and they are invariably Israel-firsters) has been firmly in charge of the US policies."
    Which part is particularly irritating for you? Should I list the authors of PNAC and to mention Wolfowitz, Ledeen, Feith, Ashton Carter and such? Should I evoke the standing ovations for Bibi by the Congress (why such an adoration towards a leader of a tiny criminal state that has been extracting some $10 million/per day from the US, year after year?) What about the disgusting treatment of Helene Thompson by the presstituting scoundrels?
    There are decent Jewish people, some of them belong to the best of humanity, and there are those that are Jewish scum of the earth.
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  • @RobinG
    Hi Art,

    Yesterday at church, the guest speaker for our Mid-East Committee was Mubarak Awad. A Greek Orthodox Christian, he was 5 years old in 1948 when the Zionists murdered his father, expelled his family from their home, and stole their property. With a life dedicated to non-violent resistance, he was introduced as the MLK or Ghandi of Palestine, but of course most of us have never heard of him.

    Even though it's only symbolic, apparently the UNSC vote has been a blow to Israel and a morale booster for Palestinians. Ending the $10 million/day that US gives Israel (soon to be 15 million daily) should be next. Sam Shama asserts that they don't need it, hence a meaningless gesture. Wrong. Symbolically, retraction of that support will be significant. It would also be a clear message to and from Americans that we don't support a racist, colonialist aggressor entity.

    (Separately, Israelis are also disturbed that the new German edition of Mein Kampf has sold out 85,000 copies.)

    Students at Italian high schools included Nazi leader Adolf Hitler’s autobiography Mein Kampf in recently-compiled lists of their top ten favorite books, The Local reported on Thursday.

    Italian Education Ministry official Alessandro Fusacchia was quoted as calling the students’ choice a “particularly nasty case.” According to Fusacchia, students had been asked to pick from books by Italian authors that were published after 2000.

    “We are looking into it, but we are convinced that it was not a bad interpretation of the request, but rather a free choice,” he said.

    Earlier this year, the Italian newspaper Il Giornale faced criticism after it distributed free copies of an annotated version of Mein Kampf.

    As reported in The Algemeiner, a 2,000-page, two-volume annotated version of Mein Kampf was published in January by Munich’s Institute for Contemporary History after a 70-year copyright held by the German state of Bavaria expired. At the time, the institute said the new version “seeks to thoroughly deconstruct Hitler’s propaganda in a lasting manner.”

    tee hee.

    2000 pages. 2 volumes. “seeks to thoroughly rewrite Hitler’s own writing — er, ” thoroughly deconstruct Hitler’s propaganda in a lasting manner.”

    What are they afraid of — that people might think and make up their own minds about who was a psychopath and who was a propagandist and who was a super-nationalist leader of his country?

    Mein Kampf is 500 or 600 pages.

    There’s an online version, the first complete US translation, prepared in 1939 by New School for Social Research (which was almost totally Jewish at the time) that runs almost 1500 pages. For example, pages 4-5 contains about 180 words by Hitler, and about 500 words of annotation.

    The annotators’ introduction explains that they felt they had to point out to innocent Americans how evil this propagandistic text was, since they wouldn’t understand the ins- and outs of European geopolitics (especially since the largest majority of US population in 1939 was of German origin and German was almost a second language in USA /s).

    Annotators took pains to divorce themselves from nasty racist discourse, which is a real howler, given that one of the major problems the CIA’s post-war psychological warfare operatives (mostly Jewish, according to Cora Sol Goldstein in “Capturing the German Eye”) encountered was the charge of Hypocrisy!, relative to US military — and domestic — treatment of Negroes, which had been on display to German citizens and soldiers throughout US presence in Germany. Thus, psychological warfare operatives were forced to ameliorate their vicious treatment of post-war Germans in order to present a happier face to the scornful German population. iow, American Blacks were partly responsible for US psychological warfare operatives cleaning up their act. A bit.

    It’s particularly ironic that the author of this piece is seeking Justice for Germans in response to a film that valorizes Black people.

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    • Replies: @Sherman
    Now, what was that part about your parents teaching you to respect Jews?

    :)
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting point about the Germans noticing the way black American soldiers were treated though I wold have expected to have had it mentioned by the Germans I lived with many years ago in Hesse. However you lost me in your last par.

    What author of what piece?

    Your link to Justice for Germans only got me to a blogger known as Wayne from Canada who appears to have been born in the 50s or early 60s to German parents and to one Lady Michele Renouf (sic) who seems to be an attractive and moderately talented fantasist. What's all that about? What's your point?
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  • @RobinG
    Hi Art,

    Yesterday at church, the guest speaker for our Mid-East Committee was Mubarak Awad. A Greek Orthodox Christian, he was 5 years old in 1948 when the Zionists murdered his father, expelled his family from their home, and stole their property. With a life dedicated to non-violent resistance, he was introduced as the MLK or Ghandi of Palestine, but of course most of us have never heard of him.

    Even though it's only symbolic, apparently the UNSC vote has been a blow to Israel and a morale booster for Palestinians. Ending the $10 million/day that US gives Israel (soon to be 15 million daily) should be next. Sam Shama asserts that they don't need it, hence a meaningless gesture. Wrong. Symbolically, retraction of that support will be significant. It would also be a clear message to and from Americans that we don't support a racist, colonialist aggressor entity.

    (Separately, Israelis are also disturbed that the new German edition of Mein Kampf has sold out 85,000 copies.)

    Hi Robin,

    In the first comment of this article, the hasbara – Gabriel – posted that Israel was a victim.

    Sorry – the world does not agree with that – it is now official – the world says that “Israel is the aggressor.”

    The representatives of 7,000,000,000 people voted to censure Israel.

    Israel is the aggressor. These hasbara types must hear that over and over.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. The gathering for Palestine in Paris this weekend was another blow to Zionism. The Jews can no longer claim that they want peace.

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  • Jan. 24, 2009 How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas

    Moshav Tekuma, Israel Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor’s bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile’s trajectory back to an “enormous, stupid mistake” made 30 years ago.

    http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB123275572295011847

    Jul 4, 2012 Hamas, An Israeli Creation

    Ron Paul alludes to the fact that Israel helped to spawn Hamas in order to weaken the then immensely popular and secular PLO.

    http://youtu.be/cehzmAfC6w0

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    Can you copy and paste the linked WSJ piece which requires a subscription.
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