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    Fred was one of the bravest and most decent journalists I ever encountered. He exposed the terrorism of the U.S. "carpet bombing" over Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia that was explicitly aimed at "drying up the sea" of millions of innocent village people that the U.S. government claimed were providing cover to the enemy during the...
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    It's always the right thing to do, upon an individual's passing, to emphasize his/her positive achievements, rather than dwell on the more questionable acts of that life. But, I was a little surprised at the extent of the adulation directed towards Fred when, unfortunately, he died a bit before his time not long ago. I can't claim a close association with him, and indeed saw him on only one occasion - in Vientiane, Laos in October or November of 1970 - not long after my own arrival in that country. It was at the Lao-style stilt house in Vientiane of a fellow member of IVS, the minimally-paid, Mennonite-founded voluntary organization I'd joined to teach History and Asian Civilization at the Lao National Teachers' College at Dong Dok, a green, leafy area surrounded by rice fields on the very edge of the Government-controlled greater Vientiane zone. IVS was the same organization which Fred has indicated he had joined and served in some years previously in order to escape the US Draft. Our motivations were obviously different. My own reasons for volunteering for Laos had nothing to do with the Draft, as I'd already served a tour of duty in the US Army in Vietnam. Over that year, I'd fallen in love with Asia and had subsequently acquired a Master's Degree in Oriental Studies, focused on East Asia. My purpose was to get back to a region I loved. We teachers at Dong Dok - specializing in Science, Mathematics, History, Geography, English Language & Literature, and Education - benefited from an unofficial agreement with the Communist Pathet Lao, whose armed forces dominated the countryside just beyond the boundaries of our campus. Recognizing the benefit of acquiring trained teachers once they'd eventually taken over the country, they said they wouldn't kill or capture us if we stayed within the Government zone. IVS volunteers in other postings in Laos weren't always so lucky. A handful of American IVS Community Development volunteers, along with their Lao assistants, had been deliberately targeted and murdered by the Pathet Lao in 1969, the year before I came, in a concerted campaign to eliminate Government influence from the areas where those volunteers were sacrificing their own energy and comfort to dig wells, introduce health education, and improve agricultural techniques. Those volunteers lived the same simple, Spartan life of the villagers they were helping. Much has been made, for example by Mr. Scheer, of the dangers to which Fred willingly subjected himself. But, I've seen nothing to indicate that was the case. Only a committed conspiracy theorist could believe he would ever have been in danger from US Government authorities, or from the Lao Government, during his time in Laos. That sort of thing just didn't happen. I was there for 4 1/2 years, considerably longer than Fred, and I've never heard of any such thing. I'm sure I would have heard if it had. The murders came from the other side, from the Pathet Lao and their North Vietnamese directors and supporters. The systematic murders of IVS volunteers in the Laos countryside mirrored exactly the techniques which had been in use for more than a decade in South Vietnam, where Government teachers, medical workers, administrators, and even such low-level functionaries as postmen were systematically murdered by Viet Cong assassins. Almost certainly, the Pathet Lao murder of IVS volunteers in Laos were enacted upon North Vietnamese advice, and likely at their explicit direction. The Pathet Lao were essentially pawns of the Communist Vietnamese, both during the war and for decades thereafter - some think even now. But, it appears virtually certain that these are the people with whom Fred, carrying on a comfortable - and indeed as he tells it indulgent - life within the Government-controlled safe-zone, was cooperating, at the very time when his fellow volunteers in IVS were being murdered in the distant provincial villages. He tells the story of collaborating during 1969 with an individual who - he eventually acknowledges - was a Pathet Lao or North Vietnamese agent. This was the individual who played the key role of editing - and I strongly suspect translating and actually undertaking - the 'interviews' with the refugees from the Plain of Jars, whom Fred alleged had been the deliberate civilian target of US bombing. I'm far from convinced it happened just the way these two conspired to claim. But, the book they jointly produced was a hit with the anti-war Left in the US, and Fred went on to a starring role in the company of Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda, and other movement luminaries, with whom he became closely associated. My own indelible impression of Fred goes back to that day in the fall of 1970, when I saw him across the courtyard of my IVS host's home on the Wattay Road. He stuck out like a sore thumb, because he was wearing the bizarre costume of black-silk peasant pajamas associated almost exclusively in those days with the Viet Cong. Nobody in Laos, not even Vietnamese, wore that costume. Most of the Vietnamese there had come as minor functionaries in the French colonial establishment and, as respectable urbanites, wouldn't have been caught dead wearing peasant garb, either Lao or Vietnamese. Especially not Vietnamese. No, as Fred made clear in a backhanded acknowledgement, wearing that strange costume as he careened flamboyantly around Vientiane on his motorcycle, on his way to one of the girly bars, bordellos, or other "entertainment" venues he acknowledged patronizing, he was deliberately making a political statement. He was showing whose side he was on, and it wasn't the side of the Lao Government or IVS, in whose service he was supposed to be acting - and who were providing him the alternative service he'd deliberately sought out to avoid the genuinely lethal dangers of American military service in Vietnam. Having actually served in Vietnam, where that costume was often worn by people who were our deadly enemies, I instantly recognized the image Fred was endeavoring to flaunt and kept my distance. I wasn't at all sure I wanted to meet him. Shortly thereafter, he returned to the US and began his star career as an anti-war protester. Upon returning to my faculty apartment at Dong Dok, however, I did question a veteran IVS teacher as to who the black-pajama wearing fellow might be. He sort of chuckled and said, "Oh, that's Fred Branfman.The rumor in IVS is that he's a courier working for the enemy." That was enough for me. I never thought of him again until I saw notices of his recent death.

    I enjoyed reading this…I always like reading these personal ‘back stories’ one would never hear about otherwise, except when accidentally coming upon them on the internet…Thanks ‘anonymous’.

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  • Somewhere in the lowest reaches of hell, Adolf Hitler and his coterie of lesser dictators must be tormented by the knowledge they did not live long enough to get their hands on "Angry Birds." How much diabolical power they would have had, not playing the game, but rather mining the data freely volunteered by its...
  • Gestapo?

    Very wrong and very kosher-concentric time peg: These aren’t noughtsies. These are (((Neo-Soviets))), as in (((Cheka/MVD/GPU/NKVD/KGB/ADL))) Orwell had the (((USSR))) in mind when he was writing “1984″.

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  • Fred was one of the bravest and most decent journalists I ever encountered. He exposed the terrorism of the U.S. "carpet bombing" over Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia that was explicitly aimed at "drying up the sea" of millions of innocent village people that the U.S. government claimed were providing cover to the enemy during the...
  • Doesn’t unz.com phase out two and a half year old articles? Or archive them or something?

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  • @Ronald Thomas West
    Fred's stomping ground as an 'aid worker' was opium central. It'd have been by far more impressive if he'd exposed the USA's clandestine (military/CIA) considerable share/control of the opium traffickers and heroin processing labs in Laos.

    http://www.drugtext.org/The-Politics-of-Heroin-in-Southeast-Asia/7-the-golden-triangle-heroin-is-our-most-important-product.html

    Instead he ultimately ran off to meditate with Ram Dass... and the American intelligence control of much of this world's international narcotics trade goes unchallenged-unchecked with major players like Robert Gates wielding undue influence to this day, inclusive of rolling the the American heroin supply over from Laos to Afghanistan, meanwhile having facilitated the cocaine trade in Latin America (with ample MOSSAD help during the Iran-Contra period.)

    No, Robert Scheer, I'm most definitely NOT impressed.

    I’m trying to decipher what Scheer and Branfman have in common.. Can’t quite put my finger on it..

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  • He was no Bill Brasky!

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  • This is an old article so my comment probably won’t be posted but why is an article by pro communist, Marxist, Weather Underground terrorist, 1964 Cal Berkely rioter, friend of the terrorists who kidnapped and raped patty Hearst and murdered several people along the way doing on this site?

    Scheer wrote daily columns that appeared on the editorial pages. He defended Rodney King and sided with the blacks who committed the Rodney king riots. In fact his columns agitated for the riot from the day King was arrested. Scheer like many liberals wants all Whites dead and gone so he and his ilk can reign over a subservient permanent under class of blacks and browns.

    He participated in the Twana Brawley hoax. When it turned out every word of her rape accusation was a total lie he defended her and her sponsor Al Sharpton on the grounds that it symbolized all black women who had ever been raped by White men. He defended filthy rap music and every black muslim and race hustler in existence while preaching the destruction of Whites.

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  • @Anonymous
    It's always the right thing to do, upon an individual's passing, to emphasize his/her positive achievements, rather than dwell on the more questionable acts of that life. But, I was a little surprised at the extent of the adulation directed towards Fred when, unfortunately, he died a bit before his time not long ago. I can't claim a close association with him, and indeed saw him on only one occasion - in Vientiane, Laos in October or November of 1970 - not long after my own arrival in that country. It was at the Lao-style stilt house in Vientiane of a fellow member of IVS, the minimally-paid, Mennonite-founded voluntary organization I'd joined to teach History and Asian Civilization at the Lao National Teachers' College at Dong Dok, a green, leafy area surrounded by rice fields on the very edge of the Government-controlled greater Vientiane zone. IVS was the same organization which Fred has indicated he had joined and served in some years previously in order to escape the US Draft. Our motivations were obviously different. My own reasons for volunteering for Laos had nothing to do with the Draft, as I'd already served a tour of duty in the US Army in Vietnam. Over that year, I'd fallen in love with Asia and had subsequently acquired a Master's Degree in Oriental Studies, focused on East Asia. My purpose was to get back to a region I loved. We teachers at Dong Dok - specializing in Science, Mathematics, History, Geography, English Language & Literature, and Education - benefited from an unofficial agreement with the Communist Pathet Lao, whose armed forces dominated the countryside just beyond the boundaries of our campus. Recognizing the benefit of acquiring trained teachers once they'd eventually taken over the country, they said they wouldn't kill or capture us if we stayed within the Government zone. IVS volunteers in other postings in Laos weren't always so lucky. A handful of American IVS Community Development volunteers, along with their Lao assistants, had been deliberately targeted and murdered by the Pathet Lao in 1969, the year before I came, in a concerted campaign to eliminate Government influence from the areas where those volunteers were sacrificing their own energy and comfort to dig wells, introduce health education, and improve agricultural techniques. Those volunteers lived the same simple, Spartan life of the villagers they were helping. Much has been made, for example by Mr. Scheer, of the dangers to which Fred willingly subjected himself. But, I've seen nothing to indicate that was the case. Only a committed conspiracy theorist could believe he would ever have been in danger from US Government authorities, or from the Lao Government, during his time in Laos. That sort of thing just didn't happen. I was there for 4 1/2 years, considerably longer than Fred, and I've never heard of any such thing. I'm sure I would have heard if it had. The murders came from the other side, from the Pathet Lao and their North Vietnamese directors and supporters. The systematic murders of IVS volunteers in the Laos countryside mirrored exactly the techniques which had been in use for more than a decade in South Vietnam, where Government teachers, medical workers, administrators, and even such low-level functionaries as postmen were systematically murdered by Viet Cong assassins. Almost certainly, the Pathet Lao murder of IVS volunteers in Laos were enacted upon North Vietnamese advice, and likely at their explicit direction. The Pathet Lao were essentially pawns of the Communist Vietnamese, both during the war and for decades thereafter - some think even now. But, it appears virtually certain that these are the people with whom Fred, carrying on a comfortable - and indeed as he tells it indulgent - life within the Government-controlled safe-zone, was cooperating, at the very time when his fellow volunteers in IVS were being murdered in the distant provincial villages. He tells the story of collaborating during 1969 with an individual who - he eventually acknowledges - was a Pathet Lao or North Vietnamese agent. This was the individual who played the key role of editing - and I strongly suspect translating and actually undertaking - the 'interviews' with the refugees from the Plain of Jars, whom Fred alleged had been the deliberate civilian target of US bombing. I'm far from convinced it happened just the way these two conspired to claim. But, the book they jointly produced was a hit with the anti-war Left in the US, and Fred went on to a starring role in the company of Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda, and other movement luminaries, with whom he became closely associated. My own indelible impression of Fred goes back to that day in the fall of 1970, when I saw him across the courtyard of my IVS host's home on the Wattay Road. He stuck out like a sore thumb, because he was wearing the bizarre costume of black-silk peasant pajamas associated almost exclusively in those days with the Viet Cong. Nobody in Laos, not even Vietnamese, wore that costume. Most of the Vietnamese there had come as minor functionaries in the French colonial establishment and, as respectable urbanites, wouldn't have been caught dead wearing peasant garb, either Lao or Vietnamese. Especially not Vietnamese. No, as Fred made clear in a backhanded acknowledgement, wearing that strange costume as he careened flamboyantly around Vientiane on his motorcycle, on his way to one of the girly bars, bordellos, or other "entertainment" venues he acknowledged patronizing, he was deliberately making a political statement. He was showing whose side he was on, and it wasn't the side of the Lao Government or IVS, in whose service he was supposed to be acting - and who were providing him the alternative service he'd deliberately sought out to avoid the genuinely lethal dangers of American military service in Vietnam. Having actually served in Vietnam, where that costume was often worn by people who were our deadly enemies, I instantly recognized the image Fred was endeavoring to flaunt and kept my distance. I wasn't at all sure I wanted to meet him. Shortly thereafter, he returned to the US and began his star career as an anti-war protester. Upon returning to my faculty apartment at Dong Dok, however, I did question a veteran IVS teacher as to who the black-pajama wearing fellow might be. He sort of chuckled and said, "Oh, that's Fred Branfman.The rumor in IVS is that he's a courier working for the enemy." That was enough for me. I never thought of him again until I saw notices of his recent death.

    Your account is believable. But paragraphs, man, paragraphs!

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    It’s always the right thing to do, upon an individual’s passing, to emphasize his/her positive achievements, rather than dwell on the more questionable acts of that life. But, I was a little surprised at the extent of the adulation directed towards Fred when, unfortunately, he died a bit before his time not long ago. I can’t claim a close association with him, and indeed saw him on only one occasion – in Vientiane, Laos in October or November of 1970 – not long after my own arrival in that country. It was at the Lao-style stilt house in Vientiane of a fellow member of IVS, the minimally-paid, Mennonite-founded voluntary organization I’d joined to teach History and Asian Civilization at the Lao National Teachers’ College at Dong Dok, a green, leafy area surrounded by rice fields on the very edge of the Government-controlled greater Vientiane zone. IVS was the same organization which Fred has indicated he had joined and served in some years previously in order to escape the US Draft. Our motivations were obviously different. My own reasons for volunteering for Laos had nothing to do with the Draft, as I’d already served a tour of duty in the US Army in Vietnam. Over that year, I’d fallen in love with Asia and had subsequently acquired a Master’s Degree in Oriental Studies, focused on East Asia. My purpose was to get back to a region I loved. We teachers at Dong Dok – specializing in Science, Mathematics, History, Geography, English Language & Literature, and Education – benefited from an unofficial agreement with the Communist Pathet Lao, whose armed forces dominated the countryside just beyond the boundaries of our campus. Recognizing the benefit of acquiring trained teachers once they’d eventually taken over the country, they said they wouldn’t kill or capture us if we stayed within the Government zone. IVS volunteers in other postings in Laos weren’t always so lucky. A handful of American IVS Community Development volunteers, along with their Lao assistants, had been deliberately targeted and murdered by the Pathet Lao in 1969, the year before I came, in a concerted campaign to eliminate Government influence from the areas where those volunteers were sacrificing their own energy and comfort to dig wells, introduce health education, and improve agricultural techniques. Those volunteers lived the same simple, Spartan life of the villagers they were helping. Much has been made, for example by Mr. Scheer, of the dangers to which Fred willingly subjected himself. But, I’ve seen nothing to indicate that was the case. Only a committed conspiracy theorist could believe he would ever have been in danger from US Government authorities, or from the Lao Government, during his time in Laos. That sort of thing just didn’t happen. I was there for 4 1/2 years, considerably longer than Fred, and I’ve never heard of any such thing. I’m sure I would have heard if it had. The murders came from the other side, from the Pathet Lao and their North Vietnamese directors and supporters. The systematic murders of IVS volunteers in the Laos countryside mirrored exactly the techniques which had been in use for more than a decade in South Vietnam, where Government teachers, medical workers, administrators, and even such low-level functionaries as postmen were systematically murdered by Viet Cong assassins. Almost certainly, the Pathet Lao murder of IVS volunteers in Laos were enacted upon North Vietnamese advice, and likely at their explicit direction. The Pathet Lao were essentially pawns of the Communist Vietnamese, both during the war and for decades thereafter – some think even now. But, it appears virtually certain that these are the people with whom Fred, carrying on a comfortable – and indeed as he tells it indulgent – life within the Government-controlled safe-zone, was cooperating, at the very time when his fellow volunteers in IVS were being murdered in the distant provincial villages. He tells the story of collaborating during 1969 with an individual who – he eventually acknowledges – was a Pathet Lao or North Vietnamese agent. This was the individual who played the key role of editing – and I strongly suspect translating and actually undertaking – the ‘interviews’ with the refugees from the Plain of Jars, whom Fred alleged had been the deliberate civilian target of US bombing. I’m far from convinced it happened just the way these two conspired to claim. But, the book they jointly produced was a hit with the anti-war Left in the US, and Fred went on to a starring role in the company of Tom Hayden, Jane Fonda, and other movement luminaries, with whom he became closely associated. My own indelible impression of Fred goes back to that day in the fall of 1970, when I saw him across the courtyard of my IVS host’s home on the Wattay Road. He stuck out like a sore thumb, because he was wearing the bizarre costume of black-silk peasant pajamas associated almost exclusively in those days with the Viet Cong. Nobody in Laos, not even Vietnamese, wore that costume. Most of the Vietnamese there had come as minor functionaries in the French colonial establishment and, as respectable urbanites, wouldn’t have been caught dead wearing peasant garb, either Lao or Vietnamese. Especially not Vietnamese. No, as Fred made clear in a backhanded acknowledgement, wearing that strange costume as he careened flamboyantly around Vientiane on his motorcycle, on his way to one of the girly bars, bordellos, or other “entertainment” venues he acknowledged patronizing, he was deliberately making a political statement. He was showing whose side he was on, and it wasn’t the side of the Lao Government or IVS, in whose service he was supposed to be acting – and who were providing him the alternative service he’d deliberately sought out to avoid the genuinely lethal dangers of American military service in Vietnam. Having actually served in Vietnam, where that costume was often worn by people who were our deadly enemies, I instantly recognized the image Fred was endeavoring to flaunt and kept my distance. I wasn’t at all sure I wanted to meet him. Shortly thereafter, he returned to the US and began his star career as an anti-war protester. Upon returning to my faculty apartment at Dong Dok, however, I did question a veteran IVS teacher as to who the black-pajama wearing fellow might be. He sort of chuckled and said, “Oh, that’s Fred Branfman.The rumor in IVS is that he’s a courier working for the enemy.” That was enough for me. I never thought of him again until I saw notices of his recent death.

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    Your account is believable. But paragraphs, man, paragraphs!
    , @LSmith
    I enjoyed reading this...I always like reading these personal 'back stories' one would never hear about otherwise, except when accidentally coming upon them on the internet...Thanks 'anonymous'.
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  • Fred’s stomping ground as an ‘aid worker’ was opium central. It’d have been by far more impressive if he’d exposed the USA’s clandestine (military/CIA) considerable share/control of the opium traffickers and heroin processing labs in Laos.

    http://www.drugtext.org/The-Politics-of-Heroin-in-Southeast-Asia/7-the-golden-triangle-heroin-is-our-most-important-product.html

    Instead he ultimately ran off to meditate with Ram Dass… and the American intelligence control of much of this world’s international narcotics trade goes unchallenged-unchecked with major players like Robert Gates wielding undue influence to this day, inclusive of rolling the the American heroin supply over from Laos to Afghanistan, meanwhile having facilitated the cocaine trade in Latin America (with ample MOSSAD help during the Iran-Contra period.)

    No, Robert Scheer, I’m most definitely NOT impressed.

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    I'm trying to decipher what Scheer and Branfman have in common.. Can't quite put my finger on it..
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  • When I was a teenager in the 1980s I interned with Fred at a couple of think tanks he ran in DC. He was a really thoughtful and nice guy who took an interest in me, and I wish I had been less callow at the time and took advantage of his mentorship.

    Fred brought Mark Lane to the office after work one day to give me and a couple of other interns his lowdown on American history from the other side of the looking glass. He brought me to his house, where he had a ping-pong table set up in the living room and a chalkboard to keep score, and treated me like a grown-up when I was an obnoxious kid.

    Fred would address everyone he met as “Friend,” which I picked up from him: it is a more civilized way to get people’s attention than yelling out “Hey!”

    It wasn’t until I was much older and reading about the history of the Vietnam War that I realized that Fred had done such important work. He was totally down-to-earth and humble.

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  • Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I do not know whether we bombed villages to “dry up the sea” or not. But I do know that the NVA would pull a 155mm howitzer out of a cave a couple of miles inside Laos to attempt to hit the Chinook I was crewing whenever we flew to a hill that was to easy to shell from Laos. This was Feb 1968 and at that time our artillery was not allowed to shell the NVA Howitzer as it was in Neutral Laos. What was most unfortunate was that FDR died before the end of WWII as he had no intention of allowing the French to have IndoChina back as a colony. And why should they? Ho’s forces got many downed American pilot to China to fly again. The Vichey French turned downed pilots over to the Japanese who executed them.

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  • I had never heard of Fred Branfman.

    Thank you.

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  • Barack Obama's Justice Department on Monday announced that Citigroup would pay $7 billion in fines, a move that will avoid a humiliating trial dealing with the seamy financial products the bank had marketed to an unsuspecting public, causing vast damage to the economy. Citigroup is the too-big-to-fail bank that was allowed to form only when...
  • Clinton signed the legislation, Republicans crafted it and implemented. Game, set, match.

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  • Where have all the pitchforks and torches gone? Perhaps GC is right and we are too domesticated.

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  • The problem is not the lack of regulation.
    The problem is the corrupt politicians bailing out their bankster owners.

    Citi would have gone under in
    1991: bank run in Hong-kong
    1994: tesobonos.
    1997: Asia

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  • bomag [AKA "doombuggy"] says:

    So Rubins and Summers got paid tens of millions to destroy trillions of dollars.

    Beyond breathtaking.

    Also, the greed here was from top to bottom: the politicians wanted a hotter economy to buy votes in all the various ways; consumers wanted easier credit, home equity loans, etc. We should expect more from Clinton/Citigroup other than crassly sending consumers over the edge of the cliff.

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  • In 2000, just before leaving office, Clinton went much further in radical deregulation of the financial industry when he signed the Commodity Futures Modernization Act.

    That $100 000 from Refco to Hillary paid off. For Billary. Refco not so much.

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  • John Kerry was doing his best "Casablanca" impersonation, pretending to be police Capt. Renault and was just shocked that Egypt is still a brutal military dictatorship despite our newly revived "historic partnership." A day after chatting it up in Cairo on Sunday with now-elected dictator Gen. Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi, who, Kerry assured the world, "gave me...
  • Does anyone know what the actual charges are? The journalists routinely lie and invent false stories. Why is everyone assuming that they are innocent?

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  • It was a truly historic moment on Tuesday when Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Dianne Feinstein took to the Senate floor to warn that the CIA's continuing cover-up of its torture program is threatening our Constitutional division of power. By blatantly concealing what Feinstein condemned as "the horrible details of a CIA program that never, never,...
  • Wish she’d come down AS forcefully on Obama’s power grabs.

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  • Forget, for the moment, that he is the pope, and that Holy Father Francis' apostolic exhortation last week was addressed "to the bishops, clergy, consecrated persons and the lay faithful." Even if, like me, you don't fall into one of those categories and also take issue with the Catholic Church's teachings on a number of...
  • Jesus spoke about personal morals. The pope doesn’t speak neither about the morals of the poor nor about the morals of the rich. He speaks about “society”, a thing which doesn’t exist (c.f. Margaret Thatcher) and which is mostly a codeword for “the state”. Insofar he follows the cheap Marxist propaganda techniques which suggest that “the state” is a solution for everything. But “the state” has its own law, its own competitions, its own survival of the fittest which is no less brutal than the “market”.

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  • That right was reaffirmed boldly and righteously Monday, for the entire world to hear, by F. James Sensenbrenner, the Republican chair of the House Judiciary Committee, which unanimously had produced the USA Patriot Act. Speaking on Monday at the Civil Liberties Committee of the European Parliament, Sensenbrenner blasted the misuse of the Patriot Act by...
  • “…assumed a plenary authority we never imagined,…” I believe that is a huge part of the problem with government today. It thinks it is obeyed.

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